Mumbai Terrorists Definitely Pakistani
It’s now been conclusively proven that the surviving terrorist from the Mumbai atrocities was from Pakistan.
It’s now been conclusively proven that the surviving terrorist from the Mumbai atrocities was from Pakistan.
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kafir lover Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:48:02am |
Do these ISI elements think that this is going to bode well for their cause?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:49:09am |
No surprise here. Now the real question is "Was Hamid Gul involved?" I think that's as close to the ISI as this is going to get. Hamid Gul's contingent of ex-ISI had kids in Lal Masjid, some of them were ringleaders.
They are some of the few people who still maintain contacts within all terror groups in Pakistan, and are able to coordinate crossover missions from the urban to rural groups.
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Rancher Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:49:14am |
So does this revelation actually surprise anyone here. And question number 2 does the confirmation now bear scrutiny given the Prank calls recently made detailing an Indian Attack to Paki Intelligence.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:53:29am |
Uh oh:
Pakistan military taking control
CONCERN grew in India yesterday that the Pakistan army had taken charge of the country's response to the Mumbai terror attacks and effectively staged a coup against the country's nascent democracy.
Fears of a full-scale resumption of power by the army in Islamabad lie behind India's relatively cautious response to the crisis, despite New Delhi's insistence that elements in Pakistan orchestrated the slaughter in Mumbai.
In a dramatic manifestation of the Pakistan army's role in the drama, the civilian Government reneged on its agreement with India to send the chief of the top spy agency, General Shuja Pasha, to New Delhi to help with the investigation. The army countermanded the deal.
And it has been disclosed that the chief of the army, General Ashfaq Kayani, despatched his personal aircraft to New Delhi in the middle of the night to pick up Pakistan's Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who was on an official visit to India at the time of the attacks.
Diplomatic sources said Mr Qureshi was told by General Kayani to get back to Islamabad and that the army chief's aircraft was being sent to bring him home.
The army, which has ruled Pakistan for most of its 61 years as an independent nation, revels in confrontations with India.
One analyst in New Delhi wrote yesterday: "It could be that the ultimate aim of this entire exercise (the Mumbai attacks) would be for the military in Pakistan to take power again in the name of dealing with an India crisis." (emphasis added)
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notutopia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:57:49am |
And what will India do...
History :
Remembering Pearl Harbor
[Link: plasma.nationalgeographic.com...]
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flipflop Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:58:25am |
Geez...is Charles up early, or did he just get in real late and decide to blog?
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Rancher Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:58:43am |
re: #12 taxfreekiller See there is proof of gobal warming even the snow is on fire.
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akak Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:58:53am |
Three militants shot dead in Jammu and Kashmir
and on it goes, no ISI here - no move on
India will be left with no option but to conduct aerial operations against targets in Pakistan if Government does not act fast, says US Senator John McCain
10, 9, 8
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:59:14am |
Journos are fond of speculating about the likely fallout from a crisis. This time, it might be all too literal.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:59:27am |
re: #11 Shiplord Kirel
I'll give that report the 24 hour rule, it probably contains some facts but lots of speculation. Kayyani was trained at West Point, and so far he's been a big supporter of civilian gov't even though they aren't his party.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:59:54am |
re: #12 taxfreekiller
sunrise over snow with pink
[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]
web cams are not Democrats yet
truth via your eyes, its cold
mt taylor...60mi due west of albuquerque is covered with snow...taos is open for business
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:00:17am |
re: #15 flipflop
He could have written it last night and just dated and timed it to post now.
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Rancher Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:03:16am |
A missing 17-year-old girl was found hiding in a closet at a male teacher's home near Chicago after he told police he didn't know where she was — prompting officers to arrest him on a charge he lied to them.
Eric Wood, 24, who teaches at Thomas Jefferson Middle School in Waukegan, Ill., was charged only with obstructing justice in the bizarre case surrounding the disappearance of the girl.
At least she was found and seemed to be there voluntarily.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:05:10am |
Shiplord: check spinoffs, interesting developement
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:05:21am |
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, economic meltdown, looming Indo-Pak war.
Obama may be wondering by now if he will be struck by a plague of boils or a rain of frogs before inauguration day.
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dahozho Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:06:38am |
Pakistani origins of these murderers was never really doubtful. The big outstanding questions are-- was ISI involved in their training, how many Western nationals were involved, who are the contacts in UK & the US/Canada, and does anyone have the steel to do something about all this?
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Pietr Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:07:25am |
re: #26 Shiplord Kirel
He hasn't even made it past the Electoral College yet...I'll agree, he has to be feeling like the Pharao...LOL.
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BBEV Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:07:46am |
re: #26 Shiplord Kirel
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, economic meltdown, looming Indo-Pak war.
Obama may be wondering by now if he will be struck by a plague of boils or a rain of frogs before inauguration day.
Don't worry he will blame it all on GB.
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akak Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:08:00am |
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Gang of One Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:08:24am |
Is this the coalescing of the crisis that Biden said would test the One®?
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Crusty Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:10:11am |
re: #14 notutopia
And what will India do...
History :
Remembering Pearl Harbor
0bama: "Can I solve this by throwing a former acquaintance or family member under a bus? Whaddya mean, 'no'?"
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notutopia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:11:03am |
re: #14 notutopia
The post didn't...sorry
India to retaliate
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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albusteve Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:11:38am |
re: #31 Gang of One
Is this the coalescing of the crisis that Biden said would test the One®?
it could be the whopper...we're gonna need james bond, indy jones, dirk pitt and tony romo to get this one settled
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kafir lover Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:11:56am |
A daily quoted McCain as saying that he believed it could be a "matter of days" before India carried out surgical air strikes if Pakistan did not act on the evidence provided to it on elements linked to the attacks.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:13:21am |
Good morning all y'all - from a COLD (30 degrees, feels like 21 degrees, going up to 43 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope you are all doing well today! I get my new computer installed and etc. this afternoon! YEA!
LOL!
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Gang of One Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:13:33am |
The One® might want to develop a taste for this band -- for the coming crisis.
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Green Helmet Guy Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:14:05am |
I thought that the Mumbai terrorists were Buddhists sent by the Dalai Lama! RoP'ers from Pakistan! Now thats a shocka.
/
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Crusty Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:14:18am |
re: #27 dahozho
(D)oes anyone have the steel to do something about all this?
Maybe former senator 0bama will get tough like his hero Jimmy Carter and boycott the Olympics. That'll show 'em!
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:15:40am |
Bomb found in Indian nursing home - the Jihadi's are going to try to create more incidents in the next few days.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:17:19am |
Lieberman and McCain are in Islamabad now.
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Pietr Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:18:06am |
re: #36 kafir lover
This should come to a head under GWB-if it's left to simmer until BO is sworn in, then it'll boil over/explode. IMHO!
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jhrhv Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:18:17am |
I'm glad that's cleared up...I was starting to think the attack really followed the MO of the Amish. They always target Jews doing charity work and children.
/Spit
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Blackacre Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:18:39am |
... And, in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead ...
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akak Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:18:39am |
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kafir lover Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:19:57am |
re: #41 Thanos
Bomb found in Indian nursing home - the Jihadi's are going to try to create more incidents in the next few days.
Escalation during the US presidency transition period -
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:21:38am |
As for the news, I understand that Shiplord Kirel and Thanos - both of whom I admire tremendously, seem to disagree on whether or not there's been a coup in Pakistan.
From what I can glean from the TV news and from a Pakistani friend who is right now somewhere over the Atlantic on his way "home" to see his family in Lahore, Pakistan - he just texted me - the story is TRUE. General Ashfaq Kayanisent a Pakistani civilian plane to New Delhi to bring back the Paki Foreign Minister as he "no longer speaks for Pakistan" and that the US had to intervene to stop India from attacking Pakistan either yesterday or early today our time.
I've asked my friend to stay in touch but don't know enough geek to know what he can and can't send from the aircraft itself - he may have been at JFK terminal when he text-messaged me at 8:32 AM today.
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rightside Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:21:57am |
He's a pockystonny.
OT, Charles, can you recommend a book on learning CSS? I want to learn how to use it, in making my website. It seems the newfangled rage.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:22:38am |
re: #43 Thanos
Lieberman and McCain are in Islamabad now.
I just cant help but have the W. Newton syndrome with regard to Pakistan...
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notutopia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:24:32am |
'Mumbai terrorists sought to provoke Indo-Pak crisis’
[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk...]
...Curtis maintains that Barack Obama's recent assertion that the US should try to help resolve the Kashmir issue so that Pakistan can focus on reining in militancy on its Afghan border is “misguided”. Raising the spectre of international intervention in the dispute could fuel unrealistic expectations in Pakistan for a final settlement in its favour. Such expectations could encourage Islamabad to increase support for Kashmiri militants to push an agenda it believed was within reach.
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jelo Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:26:48am |
re: #47 akak
Someone needs to be there cause that place is out of control. I know that's well understood here...tinderbox with nukes.
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dahozho Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:29:38am |
re: #41 Thanos
Yeah, there were more than ten. This is gonna take awhile.
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ciaospirit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:29:51am |
Thank you WWII Vets. If not for the greatest generation, we would not be the greatest nation.
I heard a panel of WWII Vets talking about their war experiences at Iwo Jima. I was sick for days at what I heard that the Japs did to our wounded captured soldiers.
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akak Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:31:01am |
re: #57 jelo
I think Debka is right this time round - they will try in/out without being detected.
They will get little flak & can still accomplish their objective.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:32:05am |
Remember Pearl Harbor Day.
A day that shall live in infamy, unless you are part of the MSM.
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Pullus Iulius Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:32:44am |
re: #37 realwest
I get my new computer installed and etc. this afternoon! YEA!
LOL!
Realwest - Great news! Between your new computer and Charles' new server I expect you'll be able to see into the future, now. If so, please report back some lottery numbers.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:33:18am |
re: #51 realwest
As for the news, I understand that Shiplord Kirel and Thanos - both of whom I admire tremendously, seem to disagree on whether or not there's been a coup in Pakistan.
From what I can glean from the TV news and from a Pakistani friend who is right now somewhere over the Atlantic on his way "home" to see his family in Lahore, Pakistan - he just texted me - the story is TRUE. General Ashfaq Kayanisent a Pakistani civilian plane to New Delhi to bring back the Paki Foreign Minister as he "no longer speaks for Pakistan" and that the US had to intervene to stop India from attacking Pakistan either yesterday or early today our time.
I've asked my friend to stay in touch but don't know enough geek to know what he can and can't send from the aircraft itself - he may have been at JFK terminal when he text-messaged me at 8:32 AM today.
Any major conflict between these two nuclear nations must be stopped at almost all costs.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:33:41am |
Oh and sorry if this has been posted prior to this, but NEVER FORGET what happened this day 67 years ago, when the Japanese attacked PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii, which thrust the US into World War II.
On Fox and Friends the three idiot talking heads were all a twitter about how FDR "either did or didn't know" about the attacks ahead of time. They then showed a kinescope of FDR in the Oval Office talking on the radio to America, early in the morning of the day he gave his famous speech to Congress.
Then these three "newscasters" - with a collective age of under 100 and apparently IQ's to match said gee can you imagine how it would have been waking up and hearing and seeing that on your television that day?
THERE WAS NO TV BACK THEN you dingbats!
ALWAYS REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!
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dahozho Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:34:39am |
re: #59 ciaospirit
Agreed. I've been thinking a lot since yesterday about my paternal gr-father-- USN officer, was at Tarawa and Guadalcanal (sp?). He was on one of the first ships to land at Nagasaki after the big ones dropped. He never wanted recognition for his service-- "We just did what had to be done."
I miss him.
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yah Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:37:19am |
Saudi Arabia has deployed some 100,000 security personnel to keep order during the hajj. Thousands of them patrolled the route to Mina on foot and in vehicles.
Religion of peace.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:40:24am |
re: #64 Erik The Red
I agree, but if you go to the spinoff links, Thanos has put up some interesting quotes from McCain, Graham and Lieberman who are all apparently in Lahore right now and one of them, from McCain, iirc, was that this was India's "9/11" and it's difficult for the US to tell India NOT to go into another nation after the terrorists who waged such terror on India.
I have a VERY BAD feeling that this is not going to turn out well.
The good news is that if General Ashfaq Kayani is pro-western and has, apparently, not exactly enjoyed "good relations" with the ISI and although Thanos knows a LOT MORE about this than I do, I still think that coups' or not, the ISI is more sympathertic to Islmic Jihad than we either know or are willing to admitt. I hope that Ashfaq Kayani works with India to root out ALL of those who supported the Mumbai bombings or I fear we WILL see an attack by India on Pakistan - one which could well develop into a nuclear exchange.
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akak Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:40:33am |
More than 160 US, NATO vehicles burned in Pakistan
/with friends like that!
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ciaospirit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:41:42am |
re: #66 dahozho
Agreed. I've been thinking a lot since yesterday about my paternal gr-father-- USN officer, was at Tarawa and Guadalcanal (sp?). He was on one of the first ships to land at Nagasaki after the big ones dropped. He never wanted recognition for his service-- "We just did what had to be done."
I miss him.
My dad was Okinawa. Waiting for orders to storm mainland Japan. He said his group was part of the first that would go in and he said he surely would have been killed. Thank God for the A-bomb. It saved thousands of lives on both sides.
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ciaospirit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:41:55am |
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yah Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:43:29am |
re: #65 realwest
My father's ship left Pearl Harbor the day before the strike.
Later in the war, his ship was bombed and went down at Midway. He was a strong swimmer and survived. Many of his shipmates did not make it.
He never never talked about it. I only know because my mother told me.
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Pietr Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:44:06am |
re: #66 dahozho
And I miss my Dad. His unit liberated 2 concentration camps, and he got tasked to be an interpreter when they found the first one. After they found the 2nd, he was shuttling between the 2. Dad was a First generation Polish American, and spoke fluent Polish. He never talked about the war, let alone his time as an interpreter. I found out from an Uncle, and from his Unit History Manual. Not many of these guys left...Say a prayer of remembrance for those killed then, and those who've died since. They made the world a better place.
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BBev Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:45:43am |
re: #70 realwest
I agree, but if you go to the spinoff links, Thanos has put up some interesting quotes from McCain, Graham and Lieberman who are all apparently in Lahore right now and one of them, from McCain, iirc, was that this was India's "9/11" and it's difficult for the US to tell India NOT to go into another nation after the terrorists who waged such terror on India.
I have a VERY BAD feeling that this is not going to turn out well.
The good news is that if General Ashfaq Kayani is pro-western and has, apparently, not exactly enjoyed "good relations" with the ISI and although Thanos knows a LOT MORE about this than I do, I still think that coups' or not, the ISI is more sympathetic to Islamic Jihad than we either know or are willing to admit. I hope that Ashfaq Kayani works with India to root out ALL of those who supported the Mumbai bombings or I fear we WILL see an attack by India on Pakistan - one which could well develop into a nuclear exchange.
I agree, and the people of India are surly pissed off and who would not be. You know if Pakistan or a group affiliated with Pakistan attacked America like that there would be a response.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:46:20am |
re: #70 realwest
I agree, but if you go to the spinoff links, Thanos has put up some interesting quotes from McCain, Graham and Lieberman who are all apparently in Lahore right now and one of them, from McCain, iirc, was that this was India's "9/11" and it's difficult for the US to tell India NOT to go into another nation after the terrorists who waged such terror on India.
I have a VERY BAD feeling that this is not going to turn out well.
The good news is that if General Ashfaq Kayani is pro-western and has, apparently, not exactly enjoyed "good relations" with the ISI and although Thanos knows a LOT MORE about this than I do, I still think that coups' or not, the ISI is more sympathertic to Islmic Jihad than we either know or are willing to admitt. I hope that Ashfaq Kayani works with India to root out ALL of those who supported the Mumbai bombings or I fear we WILL see an attack by India on Pakistan - one which could well develop into a nuclear exchange.
Strong words from McCain and all. I hope this can be contained if not the world is in for a bumpy ride. I wonder what "The One" has to say. Oh what a dangerous world we are living in.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:47:18am |
re: #62 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood - back in those days, the MSM was no where NEARLY as bad as it is today - for example, most Americans didn't know FDR had polio and was a cripple - but today's MSM don't have a fucking clue as to what this day is in our history.
Oh, I suppose some of the MSM know about the attack on Pearl Harbor, but as I indicated in my #65 they have no idea what this date MEANS in our history.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:49:16am |
re: #69 BBev Hi BBEV! How much snow are you getting - a lot, a little ?
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:49:32am |
re: #65 realwest
Oh and sorry if this has been posted prior to this, but NEVER FORGET what happened this day 67 years ago, when the Japanese attacked PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii, which thrust the US into World War II.
On Fox and Friends the three idiot talking heads were all a twitter about how FDR "either did or didn't know" about the attacks ahead of time. They then showed a kinescope of FDR in the Oval Office talking on the radio to America, early in the morning of the day he gave his famous speech to Congress.
Then these three "newscasters" - with a collective age of under 100 and apparently IQ's to match said gee can you imagine how it would have been waking up and hearing and seeing that on your television that day?
THERE WAS NO TV BACK THEN you dingbats!ALWAYS REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!
Realwest -
Yes there was - Experimental to be sure, like HDTV a couple of years ago.
1939 was the first year of what might be called "Commercial TV." World War II put an end to it until after the war. The British had it too, and took it off the air in the midst of a cartoon. When they came back on the air after the war, an announcement was made about being sorry for the interruption and the cartoon was resumed from where it was stopped.
-S-
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BBev Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:50:32am |
re: #80 realwest
Hi BBEV! How much snow are you getting - a lot, a little ?
Just a little, Good news on the home front I hope, The Doc's are going to look into putting in a pain pump into Wifee.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:51:31am |
re: #59 ciaospirit
Good morning to you ciaspirit. "I was sick for days at what I heard that the Japs did to our wounded captured soldiers."
All I can say is that the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army learned and improved upon those lessons from the Japanese.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:53:01am |
re: #67 Geepers
Good morning my friend - thank you very much for that link. I hope you're doing well today.
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Bobblehead Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:53:16am |
re: #74 yah
My father's ship left Pearl Harbor the day before the strike.
Later in the war, his ship was bombed and went down at Midway. He was a strong swimmer and survived. Many of his shipmates did not make it.
He never never talked about it. I only know because my mother told me.
I've heard many stories like that, some of them within my own family. They felt that protecting their country was a duty and a privilege and no deed, however brave or heroic, was to bragged about. Simply amazing.
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Bobblehead Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:55:02am |
re: #76 FrogMarch
Good morning all.
Hee, hee. I saw that this morning. Still have a smile on my face.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:55:29am |
Incredible! Pakistanis? I was sure it was the Oxfordshire Garden Club behind this— hiding their malicious agenda for world conquest behind hot tea and finger sandwiches.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:56:18am |
re: #81 Dr. Shalit
Sorry if I wasn't clear, Dr. Shlit, but FDR did not make any televised announcements about the attack on Pearl Harbor, though the butt-head trio on Fox and Friends don't seem to realize that.
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ciaospirit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:57:04am |
re: #83 realwest
Good morning to you ciaspirit. "I was sick for days at what I heard that the Japs did to our wounded captured soldiers."
All I can say is that the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army learned and improved upon those lessons from the Japanese.
That makes me sick, too.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:57:32am |
re: #82 BBev
Man, I sure hope they do - I can't believe all the pain your wife has had to endure for so long now. Best wishes and prayers for her and for you, my friend.
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Elcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:58:02am |
I do NOT care that the Pakistani military taking control of the nation.
First it rids the Islamic state of this farcical facade, of being a help instead of the hindrance it has been...and honestly will continue to do so.
I mean, who birthed the Taliban?
Who shelters and in fact protects Mullet Omar, bin Laden, Zawahiri, the Taliban?
Who is doing their damnedest to destabilize a fragile Afghanistan?
Who is the main giver of aid and comfort to damn near, if not all Islamic terrorist's?
I wouldn't in the least doubt that instead of making their Islamic states a focal point, the Saudis and the Persians are giving financial aid. They are opponents of each other...Sunni/Shia...Their goal is the same...Islamic domination of the world.
ALL being under the control of the military will do is allow this to be firmly and permanently attached to the nation, while it still exists.
What the SANE world must do...IS have enough balls to act.
Unfortunately, the SANE have been cowed by this cult. It is time to correct that, by hanging a really big bell, on the cult that "cowed" it.
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BBev Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:58:06am |
re: #90 realwest
Man, I sure hope they do - I can't believe all the pain your wife has had to endure for so long now. Best wishes and prayers for her and for you, my friend.
Thank You
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ciaospirit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:58:39am |
re: #85 Bobblehead
I've heard many stories like that, some of them within my own family. They felt that protecting their country was a duty and a privilege and no deed, however brave or heroic, was to bragged about. Simply amazing.
My dad refuses to be called a hero. He says the heroes are the guys who didn't come home.
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Gang of One Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:59:45am |
There's a WWII vet in my area, and I see him driving his red rag-top Pontiac LeMans -- I think it is a vintage 1968. His license plate says Iwo Jima, and he has a USMC decal on the car. At a stop light a few years back, I signaled to him to roll down his window. I asked him if he was a vet of that island and he said he was. I thanked him profusely, and told him that I could only hope to be half the man he is. To all vets, thank you for your service, your sacrifice and for assuring me the right and the opportunity to say this, here and now.
/my .02 dollar for this day
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:00:08am |
re: #88 realwest
Sorry if I wasn't clear, Dr. Shlit, but FDR did not make any televised announcements about the attack on Pearl Harbor, though the butt-head trio on Fox and Friends don't seem to realize that.
That's the trouble with poorly researched information and rumors—if you repeat them enough, they begin to get a semblance of legitimacy.
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ciaospirit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:00:53am |
Because of our military heroes, BHO can do this.
Obama goes upscale in Hawaii for holiday
While he tells the rest of us to sacrifice.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:01:43am |
re: #79 realwest
Oh, I suppose some of the MSM know about the attack on Pearl Harbor, but as I indicated in my #65 they have no idea what this date MEANS in our history.
I think not only do they not know what it means, some are dissapointed that the Pearl Harbor attack was not more successful.
By the way, 7 degrees here this morning.
I see the Giants are playing the Eagles.
If I'm Coughlin, I blitz McNabb on 1st down, I blitz him on 2nd down, I blitz him on 3rd down, if he goes for it on 4th down I blitz him again.
Get a hit on McNabb every play and you will win easy.
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Cognito Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:01:49am |
re: #11 Shiplord Kirel
Uh oh:
Not impossible, but sounds a bit conspiratorial.
It would require such a complicated proxy operation -- the military, persuading suicidal terrorists to do their bidding in India, to lead to a certain global and local reaction, setting up circumstances for... etc... -- that it seems more likely the military would simply grab the power outright.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:02:52am |
Thi is OT, but I am desperate! I'm n my lpatop because my PC is dead! I know I got a virus, I suspect it was attached to a game on a microsoft site since I got a Noron detectes a threat warning and an active x control bar at the same time...I wasn't fas enough.
Anyway, I thought it was my Norton giving me a warning, so when I clicked the button to get rid of te virus, I got the active x control wants to run bar...and even though I didn't run active x, IE started opening window after window.
So I shut down.
Now, when I start up, I select Last known good configuration and I keep getting put back to the select operating system to start screen...
I think my hard drive is wiped. This totally sucks..
How do I fix this?
Thanks in advance, and pardon the bad spelling...I'm not used to the key board on this lap top.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:03:36am |
re: #91 Elcid With respect Elcid, we HAVE to tread very carefully around Pakistan, they do have nuclear weapons and missiles with which to "deploy" them - even if those missiles can't reach us, they can reach all of India and those nuke warheads could be put upon any ship coming into any port city in the US.
And I can tell you that the Pakistanis are not about to let themselves be "invaded" as indicated by Obama, without doing everything they can do to preserve their national sovereignty - and please do not forget that Pakistan and China have mutual aid treaties.
Sending in the Armed Forces could lead to a world wide disaster of unprecedented proportions.
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akak Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:04:28am |
WASHINGTON, Dec 6: The United States is planning to send the names of some Pakistani individuals and Pakistan-based groups to the UN Security Council for tightening sanctions against them.The issue came up at a briefing on Friday when a reporter asked deputy spokesman Robert Wood to confirm if the US had already sent the names of some Pakistani individuals, including several retired ISI officials, to the Security Council for addition to the UN terrorist sanctions list.
“I’m not going to comment on names that we may or may not submit to the UN,” said Mr Wood. “It wouldn’t be appropriate for me to do at this point.”
He said he would reveal the details when the list is sent.
Once the list of an individual or a group is added to this list, all UN members are required to freeze without delay the funds and other financial assets or economic resources of designated individuals and entities.
UN members are also required to prevent the entry into or transit through their territories by designated individuals.
The member nations are also required to prevent the direct or indirect supply, sale and transfer from their territories or by their nationals outside their territories, or using their flag vessels or aircraft, of arms and related materiel of all types, spare parts, and technical advice, assistance, or training related to military activities, to designated individuals and entities.
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FrogMarch Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:06:40am |
re: #12 taxfreekiller
sunrise over snow with pink
[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]
web cams are not Democrats yet
truth via your eyes, its cold
[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]
The web cam. We did have a nice sunrise. It was pink.
Actually tax, we are a little behind on our snow fall. Still, Global warming alarmists can bite us.
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96RoadKing Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:07:02am |
Good morning all! Just under zero here in the Northland. I let the dog out for her morning business, as usual, she greeted me upon her return by pushing her nose in my crotch (I need to start wearing a cup!)
Moving to another thread: has anyone considered that the actions by the terrorists in Mumbai (last I heard is that they were trying to ratchet up the tension between Pakistan and India to a war footing) might actually hae the opposite impact, with India & Pakistan actually working in conjunction to ferret out Islamofascists and crush their tiny heads?
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SummerSong Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:08:51am |
re: #96 ciaospirit
Because of our military heroes, BHO can do this.
Obama goes upscale in Hawaii for holiday
While he tells the rest of us to sacrifice.
Ya think someone is packing up all the "Office of the President-Elect" signs and stickers for the trip? I do, too...
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:09:08am |
re: #97 3 wood Well I'm not sure I agree with you that some in the MSM " are dissapointed that the Pearl Harbor attack was not more successful."
But you could be right about that - I remember Duranty and the NY Times/Stalin and the USSR.
As for the game today, the Giants can win their division if they beat the Eagles - I just hope we can overcome Plaxico - not losing him as a receiver, but as a source of distraction in the locker room. Not to mention the OLB who "must not be named"'s part in all that bullshit.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:10:16am |
re: #91 Elcid
I oppose the military taking control, we've seen more action in the frontiers since the civ gov't took over than when Mushy was in control. The Jihadi heads are being attacked, it's not the punitive show expeditions that Musharraf used to mount. There are daily attacks from both sides, it's full on civil war in the frontiers though not many are paying attention.
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96RoadKing Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:10:43am |
re: #93 ciaospirit
My dad refuses to be called a hero. He says the heroes are the guys who didn't come home.
Truly a common opinion. My dad flew B-24's in a special group that did night time airdrops to the Partisans in Yugoslavia. He never talked about it. It was common for him to talk about the funny things that happened, but never the serious. After the folks passed, I found their wartime letters to each other. Very eye-opening. I just wish they'd been more forthcoming in Life.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:10:45am |
Prosperity is just around the corner.
Obama Plans Largest Building Program Since 1950s
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama said he’ll make the “single largest new investment” in roads, bridges and public buildings since the Eisenhower Administration to lift the sagging economy and create jobs.
Obama, in his weekly radio speech today, said his plan to create or preserve 2.5 million jobs will also include making public buildings more energy efficient, repairing schools and modernizing health care with electronic medical records.
“We won’t just throw money at the problem,” he said. “We’ll measure progress by the reforms we make and the results we achieve -- by the jobs we create, by the energy we save, by whether America is more competitive in the world.”
Here comes the Politburo.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:11:23am |
Here's my write up on the current situation FWIW
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:11:41am |
re: #94 Gang of One
Good on you for thanking him.
I don't know where America keeps getting the Armed Forces we have had since our nation was born, but God bless them one and all.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:12:01am |
re: #91 Elcid
I'm thinking that our "alliance" with Pakistan may be one of convenience while dealing with Afghanistan and Iraq rather than any particular trust that they are trying to rid themselves and the world of terrorists and their enablers.
There is also the nuclear problem. The two small nukes released on Japan destroyed two small cities and killed about a quarter of a million people. While the US would likely either respond in kind or with unlimited conventional war if the Pakis attacked us or an ally so, it would not repair the devastation of such an attack.
Foxnews.com is saying that the 10 terrorists were elite commandos trained by the Pakistani army. The source for this story is an Indian diplomat, so consider the source.
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jhrhv Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:12:02am |
re: #96 ciaospirit
“Obamas and the families of two or three friends” I wonder if that means Ayers, Wright and some Chicago gangsters?
While he and his “friends” are sunning themselves in a multi million dollar holiday property on a beach he expects the rest of us to turn down the heat for the winter and put more air in our tires.
/hypocrite
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Clemente Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:13:15am |
re: #99 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Will it boot to safe mode? (tap F8 while booting)
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:14:02am |
re: #105 realwest
As for the game today, the Giants can win their division if they beat the Eagles - I just hope we can overcome Plaxico - not losing him as a receiver, but as a source of distraction in the locker room. Not to mention the OLB who "must not be named"'s part in all that bullshit.
I bet there are a lot of guys in the Giants locker room who are fed up with Burress and his antics and glad he's not on the field.
Nobody is good enough to compensate on the field for all that disruption to the team.
I think the Giants are a better "team" without him.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:16:06am |
I don't often question the timing but on this one I do, we've known that Hamid Gul's deposed ISI faction has been trafficking in terror for years, why are we acting now? I would suspect his faction's involved with the Mumbai attacks.
For those of you who don't know who Hamid Gul is, he's virulently anti-Israel, and the original source of the 9/11 troofer movement. I hate to send you to Fisk's shithole site, but that's where his post 9/11 interview is: [Link: www.robert-fisk.com...]
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:16:42am |
Good Morning, and a solemn remembrance of that "Day Which Will Live Infamy" Dec. 7, 1941; 67 years later.
A good book by someone in the intelligence services who was breaking the codes in the days before the attack.
And I was there"" : Pearl Harbor and Midway--breaking the secrets by Edwin T. Layton it lays out what we knew, and who knew what and when. Bottom line it's historians after the war who had access to all the information that said Roosevelt knew before had. That not the truth. We had enough information, but it was scattered and fragmentary and no one had the whole picture.
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Gang of One Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:16:51am |
re: #110 realwest
Good on you for thanking him.
I don't know where America keeps getting the Armed Forces we have had since our nation was born, but God bless them one and all.
Absolutely, Real. When I do come across some of our service people in the odd restaurant, bar, market, etc., I realize that there are still American youth who 'get it'. My faith in this country is always renewed when I see them and get a chance to talk with them.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:19:37am |
re: #113 Clemente
No, I tried that first thinking
My dad can fix this, but I don't want to wait a week to get my comp back, and my mom's been sick so he's tending to her. I figure I should learn to fix this if I can.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:19:52am |
re: #115 Thanos
I don't often question the timing but on this one I do, we've known that Hamid Gul's deposed ISI faction has been trafficking in terror for years, why are we acting now? I would suspect his faction's involved with the Mumbai attacks.
For those of you who don't know who Hamid Gul is, he's virulently anti-Israel, and the original source of the 9/11 troofer movement. I hate to send you to Fisk's shithole site, but that's where his post 9/11 interview is: [Link: www.robert-fisk.com...]
That guys a total nutter. Good thing he is not in a position of power...oops, he is!
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:19:57am |
re: #112 jhrhv
“Obamas and the families of two or three friends” I wonder if that means Ayers, Wright and some Chicago gangsters?
While he and his “friends” are sunning themselves in a multi million dollar holiday property on a beach he expects the rest of us to turn down the heat for the winter and put more air in our tires.
/hypocrite
He is justified in his luxury because he is the 0ne guiding us into the brave new world. He is the plan, the vision—he needs his rest.
The grimy masses, toiling away at thankless jobs, should joyfully sacrifice some of their gruel and beans and a few lumps of coal to see this new day dawn.
The problem is unpatriotic people like you, not the 0ne.
Don't be so selfish.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:23:19am |
re: #117 Gang of One
Absolutely, Real. When I do come across some of our service people in the odd restaurant, bar, market, etc., I realize that there are still American youth who 'get it'. My faith in this country is always renewed when I see them and get a chance to talk with them.
We are not the only ones proud. Have you ever tried to buy a meal or a drink for some soldiers? Every time I've tried, I've been told someone else has already taken care of it. I am very proud of our men and women in uniform. They are the finest ever fielded.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:23:20am |
Mortgage rates keep dropping.
Treasuries Gain a Fifth Week, Driving Yields to Record Lows
Yields on two-, 10- and 30-year securities fell to the lowest levels since the Treasury began regular sales of the debt. Three-month bill rates lingered at 0.01 percent, the least since January 1940. The difference between two- and 10-year note yields narrowed to the smallest amount since September after Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said the central bank may buy Treasuries to target long-term interest rates to revive the economy.
“You’ve rallied to points that are unprecedented from T- bills to 30-year bonds,” said Jamie Jackson, who oversees government debt trading at RiverSource Investments in Minneapolis, which manages $90 billion of bonds. “That’s obviously pricing in a pretty dire economic environment.”
The yield on the 10-year note plummeted 22 basis points, or 0.22 percentage point, this week to 2.71 percent, according to BGCantor Market Data. It touched 2.505 percent yesterday, the lowest since at least 1962 when the Fed’s daily records on the note began in 1962, and since 1954 on a monthly basis. The 3.75 percent security due in November 2018 climbed 1 29/32, or $19.06 per $1,000 face amount, to 109.
One item that is being missed by the MSM (surprise, surprise) is that forgeign capital is flocking to the US and buying up property hand over fist. US real estate is seen as a bargain and a safe haven for wealth.
That is one reason why you see the dollar gaining strength relative to the pound and other currencies. I also think you will see real estate values gaining some strength in the near term due to this and the low mortgage rates.
One more silver lining in all the clouds out there, remember that all these dropping energy, materials and labor costs translate to larger profit margins. So, even if you have sales dropping 5%, many companies have seen a much larger drop tot heir costs, which should translate into profits.
Also, bear in mind that in about 6 weeks the MSM will start reporting good news.
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The Other Les Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:23:30am |
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:24:09am |
re: #118 The Pulchritudinous Patriot Do y'all have a restore point? If so, can you go to it, then run the Norton? Also, do you remember what that damed active x message was?
(NB: this information comes to you courtesy of someone who's a true GeekTard but has picked up a few pointers from agents from the Geek Squad who have been here so often that I have a cot set up for 'em!).
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:25:08am |
re: #123 3 wood
I wish I was awash with cash, because I would be buying up houses like crazy.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:25:12am |
re: #119 Desert Dog
That guys a total nutter. Good thing he is not in a position of power...oops, he is!
Well it's a shadow position, however if anyone knows where the Egyptian Dr and Uncle Binny are, it's him.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:25:52am |
re: #125 taxfreekiller
Allowing Pakistan to fester inside the body is just like never getting an x-ray for cancer, you think its not growing because you refuse to look,
Pakistan is a world cancer and it grows. Iran was allowed to grow, and the result is clear. Why allow another cancer to grow, one more added to the Saudi, Russian, China, N. Korea, mastication, not making s decision is a decision and they are watching. We keep reeling out rope in hope,
they make ready at the end of the rope to jerk us into the sea of death.
/dispense some medicine
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:26:44am |
re: #116 JCM
I remember reading a memoir by a guy who got blown off one of the ships at the first attack, managed to swim ashore and spent the rest of the day swimming back out and dragging guys to shore to save them as fast as he could.
He lost count of how many he helped that day, nobody was worrying about that.
Many years later he went back and fond the spot on shore that he had operated from that day.
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ciaospirit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:26:58am |
re: #112 jhrhv
“Obamas and the families of two or three friends” I wonder if that means Ayers, Wright and some Chicago gangsters?
While he and his “friends” are sunning themselves in a multi million dollar holiday property on a beach he expects the rest of us to turn down the heat for the winter and put more air in our tires.
/hypocrite
Two bit hypocrite. How come his Georgian revival mansion on the South Side of Chicago wasn't good enough for the Holidays? Think of the carbon he could have saved not taking that private jet and running those movable glass walls. Especially since he's so concerned about your carbon footprint and my carbon footprint.
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Macker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:27:02am |
re: #31 Gang of One
Is this the coalescing of the crisis that Biden said would test the One®?
®? or ™?
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:29:09am |
re: #127 Desert Dog
I wish I was awash with cash, because I would be buying up houses like crazy.
I have some relatives in Ireland who converted their available cash from pounds to dollars last summer and bought up a bunch of property in Florida. I helped them a bit with the transactions when I was over there.
A lot of people are doing that.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:29:12am |
The Gov't they have right now in Pakistan might be corupt, but it's the closest thing they've had to a sane civilian gov't in ages. The Taliban and AQ hate them, and there are daily assassinations of gov't coalition members and tribals in ANP and PPP. It's to the point that the gov't has realized that it's now them or us, and I really do think they are going to continue the war against the extremists in Pakistan, which is a full blown civil war going un-reported.
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ciaospirit Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:29:59am |
re: #127 Desert Dog
I wish I was awash with cash, because I would be buying up houses like crazy.
Interesting cities they pick.
The trip would focus on California, particularly San Francisco and Los Angeles, where big Chinese populations might make his clients more comfortable, but might also include Nevada.
Restrictions on taking money out of China would be an obstacle, he added, but some potential investors had an overseas connection such as a foreign passport that would make it easier.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:30:59am |
re: #126 realwest
I can't even get into the system to do a restore, it keeps going to the boot menu and when I select the mode, it appears to boot..it goes to the Dell screen then it goes to the boot menu again. It's looping between the two.
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Macker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:31:25am |
re: #105 realwest
As for the game today, the Giants can win their division if they beat the Eagles - I just hope we can overcome Plaxico - not losing him as a receiver, but as a source of distraction in the locker room. Not to mention the OLB who "must not be named"'s part in all that bullshit.
Plaxico Burress' action which resulted in his self-inflicted injury only proves that he is yet another in a long line of "Give Me The Damn Ball!" wide receivers, whose head between their legs is bigger than the one between their shoulders.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:33:15am |
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:33:20am |
re: #120 David IV of Georgia
The grimy masses, toiling away at thankless jobs, should joyfully sacrifice some of their gruel and beans and a few lumps of coal to see this new day dawn.
The problem is unpatriotic people like you, not the 0ne.
Harry Reid thinks you smell bad, too.
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FrogMarch Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:33:40am |
great headline:
Mark Steyn: "Jews Get Killed, But Muslims Feel Vulnerable"
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SlartyBartfast Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:33:47am |
Sadly, I expect that the typical Obama voter has no idea of the gravity of the situation between India and Pakistan. (Heck, Obama probably has no idea!) BHO was propelled into the White House based on some weird world-view that all we need to do as a nation is "be nice" and...
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Somewhere I read a commentary that projected the next four years would be more bloody than the last due to the apparent weakness of our president. (Darned if I can find it.) Unfortunately, the world may turn bloody sooner than later.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:34:32am |
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jhrhv Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:34:34am |
re: #131 ciaospirit
Two bit hypocrite. How come his Georgian revival mansion on the South Side of Chicago wasn't good enough for the Holidays? Think of the carbon he could have saved not taking that private jet and running those movable glass walls. Especially since he's so concerned about your carbon footprint and my carbon footprint.
He is just your average guy with a 1.5 million dollar home that he got at a reduced price from a mobster. At least he had the time to strongly condemned that attacks in Mumbai while planning his holiday from the office of the POTUS-elect.
/ I just threw-up a little.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:34:35am |
re: #125 taxfreekiller
Allowing Pakistan to fester inside the body is just like never getting an x-ray for cancer, you think its not growing because you refuse to look,
Pakistan is a world cancer and it grows. Iran was allowed to grow, and the result is clear. Why allow another cancer to grow, one more added to the Saudi, Russian, China, N. Korea, mastication, not making s decision is a decision and they are watching. We keep reeling out rope in hope,
they make ready at the end of the rope to jerk us into the sea of death.
Although I seemed cautious in #111 when I discussed Paki nukes, the problem won't go away by ignoring it. We may need to do a bit of Reagan-Libyan diplomacy.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:34:51am |
re: #27 dahozho
Pakistani origins of these murderers was never really doubtful. The big outstanding questions are-- was ISI involved in their training, how many Western nationals were involved, who are the contacts in UK & the US/Canada, and does anyone have the steel to do something about all this?
Yes, a few, the phone records will help, and probably not.
The least India could do is to harden her targets so that a repeat wouldn't be so easy. Arm the police, at least the ones that will have combat duties. Train them, at least to the extent of setting up firing ranges and funding ammo for training. Buy radios for the coast guard, so that when a coast guard cutter intercepts an attack ship and is overpowered, the news of that gets back to HQ. Buy night vision equipment and more such goodies for the commandos so that 100 Indians against 4 Pakistani terrorists in a hotel isn't an even fight that can drag on for days.
Train harder, because courage in combat grows out of the barrel of training. Untrained men, even if they are naturally brave as these things go, get rattled in combat and perform poorly. [George Washington said as much of his own American revolutionary war army.]
To attack Pakistan in a reprisal raid without taking any defensive measures would be like a boxer who jabs with one arm but leaves the other hanging at his side instead of keeping it up at guard.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:35:15am |
re: #125 taxfreekiller
Good morning my friend - as I've said above and many times over the last several months (since Obama said he would invade Pakistan) the major problem in dealing with Pakistan is that we KNOW Pakistan has nuclear weapons and we are not sure - if we ever really were - where the hell they all are; what we do know about Paki's nukes is that they are guarded by the Paki military - and they are NOT loyal to the democratic government, but rather to General Kayani.
And while I'm tempted to strongly agree with Thanos that to think the Mumbai attacks were carried out to give the Pakistan military an excuse to pull off a coup is somewhat farfetched, to say the least, the fact is that the Pakistani Military have apparently pulled off a coup - though I doubt they had anything to do with the Mumbai bombers or bombing. I think the Pakistani military simply saw this as a chance - a reason - to pull off a coup.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:35:24am |
re: #135 ciaospirit
Restrictions on taking money out of China would be an obstacle, he added, but some potential investors had an overseas connection such as a foreign passport that would make it easier.
Believe me, there are plenty of ways to wash the cash and get around that, For a minor handling fee.
Not a problem.
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:35:28am |
re: #130 3 wood
I remember reading a memoir by a guy who got blown off one of the ships at the first attack, managed to swim ashore and spent the rest of the day swimming back out and dragging guys to shore to save them as fast as he could.
He lost count of how many he helped that day, nobody was worrying about that.
Many years later he went back and fond the spot on shore that he had operated from that day.
Lots of amazing stories from that day. Lt. Ken Talyor, one of a handful American pilots to get airborne. Dori Miller a cook who took over a machine gun on the West Virginia.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:36:36am |
re: #134 Thanos
The Gov't they have right now in Pakistan might be corupt, but it's the closest thing they've had to a sane civilian gov't in ages. The Taliban and AQ hate them, and there are daily assassinations of gov't coalition members and tribals in ANP and PPP. It's to the point that the gov't has realized that it's now them or us, and I really do think they are going to continue the war against the extremists in Pakistan, which is a full blown civil war going un-reported.
The question is: Will the people fighting on behalf of the government continue to do so? These coup rumors indicate that they may not. And I think we need to find an alternate supply route in Afghanistan posthaste. If things get bad in Pakistan, we might find Karachi closed to us. Or worse, there might not be a Karachi.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:37:26am |
re: #118 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
No, I tried that first thinking
My dad can fix this, but I don't want to wait a week to get my comp back, and my mom's been sick so he's tending to her. I figure I should learn to fix this if I can.
Go here, run the online scan in the lower right corner of the page, you have to accept the active x popup there when it comes.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:38:57am |
re: #148 JCM
Lots of amazing stories from that day. Lt. Ken Talyor, one of a handful American pilots to get airborne. Dori Miller a cook who took over a machine gun on the West Virginia.
Lots of heros from that war: Every read about the actor Eddie Albert? Amazing stuff.
World War II
Albert served as a lieutenant in the United States Coast Guard in the Pacific during World War II. A genuine war hero, he was awarded the Bronze Star for his actions during the Battle of Tarawa in 1943, when, as a landing ship pilot, he rescued several hundred wounded Marines while under heavy enemy machine-gun fire. He later described some of these events during a short interview in a segment of a program about the war, which appeared on the History Channel. He also discussed it with Col. Ollie North on his series, War Stories (FOX). Albert returned from the war a different actor with a darker screen persona, although it would take another ten years before he became better known to audiences.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:40:14am |
re: #148 JCM
I've often thought of the courage of that guy, swimming back out from safety into burning water and often with bullets flying around to try and save other guys.
Talk about courage.
I'm humbled at the thought.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:40:16am |
re: #145 lostlakehiker
In WWII, Allied ships only had to broadcast three letters "QQQ" to let someone know that they were being attacked. If they had time, they would then give their latitude and longitude and other information.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:40:45am |
re: #108 3 wood
Prosperity is just around the corner.
Obama Plans Largest Building Program Since 1950s
Here comes the Politburo.
Making public buildings more energy efficient isn't a bad idea just because a democrat proposed it. What's a bad idea is to have buildings that cost too much to operate, and just levy enough taxes to run them anyway, because you aren't willing to make an investment in bringing the building up to par.
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Elcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:41:47am |
re: #106 Thanos
I oppose the military taking control, we've seen more action in the frontiers since the civ gov't took over than when Mushy was in control. The Jihadi heads are being attacked, it's not the punitive show expeditions that Musharraf used to mount. There are daily attacks from both sides, it's full on civil war in the frontiers though not many are paying attention.
re: #111 David IV of Georgia
I'm thinking that our "alliance" with Pakistan may be one of convenience while dealing with Afghanistan and Iraq rather than any particular trust that they are trying to rid themselves and the world of terrorists and their enablers.
There is also the nuclear problem. The two small nukes released on Japan destroyed two small cities and killed about a quarter of a million people. While the US would likely either respond in kind or with unlimited conventional war if the Pakis attacked us or an ally so, it would not repair the devastation of such an attack.
Foxnews.com is saying that the 10 terrorists were elite commandos trained by the Pakistani army. The source for this story is an Indian diplomat, so consider the source.
I understand both points...and I'm really not trying to be argumentative...Just discussion points.
In coming back to post at LGF after a long absence, I see the rabid savaging of different DISCUSSION points, rather just good plain old varying views.
YES, I played my part in that stupidity, when a regular. That's why I prefer to post links, versus join "discussions".
I guess MY point was and I apologize if I did not make it more clear...To me evidently, clarity is what I look for in a fine glass of wine.
Staying on subject...ME? Phhfffttt!
Anyway, I have no doubt that the Islamists will eventually hang a mushroom cloud over some city, if 'they' are allowed to do so. I'd rather it be over Islamabad, then say over New Delhi, London OR Atlanta, GA.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:42:07am |
re: #149 Dark_Falcon
I don't believe the coup rumors, I'm giving that the 24hour rule.
Kayani met with Gilani over the Mumbai situation, the war in the frontiers, and other matters yesterday, which is probably what's driving the speculation. With McCain and Lieberman in Pakistan I was expecting this. You have to remember how inimical all the political parties in Pakistan are to each other to understand how these rumors get spun out there.
There's a third player in the region being ignored as well. China holds a chunk of the Kashmir, and although they are counseling calm they are also holding war games with India right now.
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Macker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:44:42am |
re: #138 Desert Dog
Gen. Gul? I wonder if the writers of Star Trek Deep Space 9 made the Cardassians "Guls" on purpose? Probably a coincidence. But, there is an resemblence between the two: Gul Dukat - Ge. Gul
Actually, a "Gul" is a Cardassian equivalent rank to Captain. Their Glinns are Commanders, and Legates are Admirals.
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boogberg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:45:08am |
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:45:52am |
re: #153 3 wood
I've often thought of the courage of that guy, swimming back out from safety into burning water and often with bullets flying around to try and save other guys.
Talk about courage.
I'm humbled at the thought.
No doubt, the guys who climbed into boats to go ashore on those islands or at Normandy, the guys who climbed in those D-day planes to jump behind enemy lines.
Un-common courage was a common virtue.
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Gang of One Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:46:09am |
re: #122 Desert Dog
We are not the only ones proud. Have you ever tried to buy a meal or a drink for some soldiers? Every time I've tried, I've been told someone else has already taken care of it. I am very proud of our men and women in uniform. They are the finest ever fielded.
So true! They very humbly thank me, and tell me that there are elleventy-hundred people already buying them something. And they then thank me for understanding their commitment. Best. Americans. Ever.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:46:13am |
re: #150 Thanos
I cant even get online to do this...I'm curently working on my business laptop. The infected compy is my home PC.
If my hard drive is wiped, is there a way to get to IE if I cant make it off the boot menu?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:46:29am |
re: #156 Elcid
Hey, I'm not trying to be argumentative either, just giving my pov on the situation. That's what a discussion takes, differing pov's.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:47:00am |
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:48:20am |
Pakistan is the new focus in the GWOT. The Taliban is there, Al-Queda is there, the bastards that planned and plotted the Mumbai attack are there. I hope Obama figures out a way to get that problem solved. This is one instance where the world must come together and stop this nonsense.
The Pashtuns in the territories want be autonomous and left alone to do as they please without much interference from the Pakistan government. If they kept all that crap within the borders of Pakistan, it would their problem, not ours. The fact is now though, they are reaching out all over the world. If you do that, you better get ready for someone to respond in kind eventually. I am not sure what must be done, but going in there and FINALLY cleaning out the shit is something that will have to be done one day. The Pakistan government is not up to it, the UN is not up to it, NATO is not up to it. Russia? China? There is only one country that has the ability to clean out that giant rats nest...unfortunately, it is us. And, the only way that will happen is if we get the support of the world. If Pakistan did not have nukes, I think we'd be in there already.
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Clemente Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:48:51am |
re: #118 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Ugh. If it won't boot the hard drive, you may need to repair your windos installation from your XP cd.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:48:59am |
re: #162 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
I cant even get online to do this...I'm curently working on my business laptop. The infected compy is my home PC.
If my hard drive is wiped, is there a way to get to IE if I cant make it off the boot menu?
No. If it won't boot, you're stuck. Best to take the PC to a store that does computer repairs.
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:49:13am |
re: #162 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
I cant even get online to do this...I'm curently working on my business laptop. The infected compy is my home PC.
If my hard drive is wiped, is there a way to get to IE if I cant make it off the boot menu?
Do you get any errors on boot? A series of beeps? Does the fan spin up and stop or nada?
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Frank White Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:49:17am |
Just as India is rising in the world to become a modern regional power, perhaps they will have the steel to do what America won't do.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:50:22am |
re: #158 Macker
Actually, a "Gul" is a Cardassian equivalent rank to Captain. Their Glinns are Commanders, and Legates are Admirals.
Can you speak Klingon? :-)
I never knew that, but I love the Star Trek series...except that last one, Enterprise, it was baaad. I hope this new movie coming out in the summer is good...the trailer makes me wonder what kind of movie it will be.
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Gang of One Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:50:23am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:50:41am |
re: #165 Desert Dog
The world will not support us. Cheap anti-americanism is too easy for them, and too much of the world doesn't really understand the threat.
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Clemente Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:50:48am |
re: #162 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
If you see the OS selection screen, your hard drive's not wiped. Repair should work, but takes time.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:52:45am |
More on the coming Politburo.
Report: 'Car Czar' Proposed to Oversee Auto Bailout
A proposed government "car czar" would oversee any bailout of U.S. automakers under terms being negotiated by the White House and Congress for extending billions in emergency loans to the auto giants, Reuters reported.
Sources familiar with the plan for oversight by an official within the executive branch said Saturday conditions were not final as Democratic leaders and the White House tried to cut a deal.
One leadership aide said both sides favored creation of a "car czar" role to ensure proposed conditions were met, Reuters reported. The funds are designed to last until March, giving the incoming Obama administration and the new Congress time to consider the issue anew.
Racing to seal a deal with the White House, Democratic congressional leaders dispatched aides Saturday to draft an emergency $15 billion aid package to pull Detroit's Big Three automakers from the brink of collapse.
Capitol Hill leaders prepared to sell yet another bailout to a skeptical Congress. It is an uphill battle: The anger is fresh over how the Bush administration used the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund and lawmakers are questioning whether the once-mighty auto giants can survive.
You will get a "bridge loan" to get through the first month or two of the Obama coronation.
To be followed by more infusions of taxpayer cash as needed.
The Democrats have created a vote factory using the taxpayer checkbook.
Welcome to the Chicago Way.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:53:05am |
re: #166 Clemente
Ugh. If it won't boot the hard drive, you may need to repair your windos installation from your XP cd.
Yep, find the restore disks for the laptop if you can't get it to go into safe mode. One last thing to try before going there is to hit F2 or whatever calls up your BIOS command screen during reboot and run through the settings there to see if anything got jiggered. See if it recognizes the HD there, if it doesn't then it could be a hard drive or cable problem.
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Elcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:53:50am |
re: #163 Thanos
Hey, I'm not trying to be argumentative either, just giving my pov on the situation. That's what a discussion takes, differing pov's.
I know. That is exactly what is needed...I didn't take (at least I hope I didn't...see my clarity defintion) as argumentative. It works both ways with me...LOL.
This is a tremendously wonderful medium, (when it works, as I see a Lizard with techie probs) but there is a fault...one cannot hear, or see...OK cripes, TWO faults.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:54:28am |
re: #156 Elcid
I haven't seen you in some time, have you been OK? Glad to see you around.
While I think we should be cautious, I don't think we should give up our liberty or that of the world just to avoid a mushroom cloud here or abroad. Sooner or later I think we will have to do something to rein in Pakistan.
When I mentioned the US nukes on Japan in WW II, I think that it was a justified act of war given the situation. Some people—I'm not referring to you—seem to forget how horrific a nuclear bomb, even tiny ones, are. That's why I brought up those bombs as something to consider.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:55:35am |
re: #160 JCM
No doubt, the guys who climbed into boats to go ashore on those islands or at Normandy, the guys who climbed in those D-day planes to jump behind enemy lines.
Un-common courage was a common virtue.
I found out just before he died that my Dad was one of those guys the parachuted behind German lines to listen in on radio traffic and try to get gleaned intelligence on troop movements out. Dad grew up in a fluent German speaking neighborhood in Detroit and could speak/understand it very well.
He never talked about it until just before the end.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:56:27am |
Here's Bill Roggio on the matter:
[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]
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gregg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:58:03am |
re: #108 3 wood
Prosperity is just around the corner.
Obama Plans Largest Building Program Since 1950s
Here comes the Politburo.
I found Friday's stock market action disappointing. The job numbers come in much worse than anyone imagined and the market goes up nearly 300 points. Apparently, the market thinks that since the job numbers were much worse than expected, the government will come through with more and bigger bailouts. To me the thought that the government will be coming up with more and bigger bailouts should be a reason for the market to go down. Has Wall Street given up on capitalism? I imagine in the end Wall Street thinks they can make a quick buck off all that government spending and doesn't give a rat's butt that in the end it's going to have a long lasting negative impact.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:58:13am |
re: #177 David IV of Georgia
I haven't seen you in some time, have you been OK? Glad to see you around.
While I think we should be cautious, I don't think we should give up our liberty or that of the world just to avoid a mushroom cloud here or abroad. Sooner or later I think we will have to do something to rein in Pakistan.
When I mentioned the US nukes on Japan in WW II, I think that it was a justified act of war given the situation. Some people—I'm not referring to you—seem to forget how horrific a nuclear bomb, even tiny ones, are. That's why I brought up those bombs as something to consider.
I said earlier in the tread that nuclear is not an option. It will be the end of days. Do I have the answer? NO I don't but nuclear it is not.
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:59:01am |
re: #178 3 wood
I found out just before he died that my Dad was one of those guys the parachuted behind German lines to listen in on radio traffic and try to get gleaned intelligence on troop movements out. Dad grew up in a fluent German speaking neighborhood in Detroit and could speak/understand it very well.
He never talked about it until just before the end.
I can't image. I spent years as a firefighter. Running into burning buildings is more fun than dangerous (seriously folks) and lasts only a short while. Jumping behind enemy lines, where the peril is constant and of unknown duration! Simply amazing.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:59:20am |
re: #157 Thanos
"There's a third player in the region being ignored as well. China holds a chunk of the Kashmir, and although they are counseling calm they are also holding war games with India right now."
Huh? What about China's treaties with Pakistan? Can't believe Red China would side with a democratic India over a truly muddled but mostly "safe" ally like Pakistan.
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FrogMarch Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:00:52am |
re: #174 3 wood
More on the coming Politburo.
Report: 'Car Czar' Proposed to Oversee Auto Bailout
You will get a "bridge loan" to get through the first month or two of the Obama coronation.
To be followed by more infusions of taxpayer cash as needed.
The Democrats have created a vote factory using the taxpayer checkbook.
Welcome to the Chicago Way.
It's pay to play. Union labor first.
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Clemente Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:01:50am |
re: #118 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
If you like, shoot me an email, and we can sort this off-thread.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:02:06am |
re: #179 Thanos
Here's Bill Roggio on the matter:
[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]
Wow, a new word of the day: Deobandism
I have not heard of that, thank you, Thanos
I found this article by Charles Allen: Wahhabism and the origin of fear
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notutopia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:02:15am |
re: #123 3 wood
I envision that the majority of highrises and multidwelling apartment complexes will be owned by other than Americans. This is being legally assumed by willing legal Americans who are underright the corp or trust that makes the purchases on their behalf. The purchases are usually made in CASH. We do have US laws in place to restrict foreigners from land purchases.
Foreign land buying restricted
[Link: www.fin24.com...]
Land For Sale
[Link: progressivefarmer.landwatch.com...]
I am greatly concerned about the American breadbasket. There have been unusually high numbers of multithousand acre parcels being sold at high dollar value recently. We need to pay heed to these transactions as our grains and food sources and biofuel resources could end up in hands of foreigners who do not have the US vested interest as their primary % INTEREST 3wood. So, don't get too excited about the mortgage rates declining or about the property and land sales increases yet...
Ag ground is pure gold these days. But with price tags hitting the $7,000/acre mark in some parts of the Midwest, how long can this golden age last for Americans to purchase it?
[Link: progressivefarmer.com...]
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:02:19am |
re: #180 gregg
re: #108 3 wood
Prosperity is just around the corner.
Obama Plans Largest Building Program Since 1950s
Here comes the Politburo.
I found Friday's stock market action disappointing. The job numbers come in much worse than anyone imagined and the market goes up nearly 300 points. Apparently, the market thinks that since the job numbers were much worse than expected, the government will come through with more and bigger bailouts. To me the thought that the government will be coming up with more and bigger bailouts should be a reason for the market to go down. Has Wall Street given up on capitalism? I imagine in the end Wall Street thinks they can make a quick buck off all that government spending and doesn't give a rat's butt that in the end it's going to have a long lasting negative impact.
The last time it was tired it was a bust...
New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:02:32am |
re: #183 realwest
If Pakistan becomes a failed state China will side with India, they are trying to fend off some of the Russian influence with their new Nuke plant deal.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:03:43am |
re: #187 Desert Dog
Wow, a new word of the day: Deobandism
I have not heard of that, thank you, Thanos
I found this article by Charles Allen: Wahhabism and the origin of fear
The Deobandi Wahhabbists are the most virulent strain of Islam today, that's why I take Darul Uloom's "Fatwah against Terrorism" with several large grains of salt.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:04:02am |
re: #181 Erik The Red
I said earlier in the tread that nuclear is not an option. It will be the end of days. Do I have the answer? NO I don't but nuclear it is not.
It should be an option. We should we continue to suffer because Pakistan can't get its act together? I would favor the use of a small nuke on a city in Taliban territory. Such an act of terror might cow the population of the region into quiescence.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:04:21am |
re: #149 Dark_Falcon
The question is: Will the people fighting on behalf of the government continue to do so? These coup rumors indicate that they may not. And I think we need to find an alternate supply route in Afghanistan posthaste. If things get bad in Pakistan, we might find Karachi closed to us. Or worse, there might not be a Karachi.
There is no real alternative to running supplies through Pakistan. If the balloon goes up in Pakistan and they close off that supply route, it'll be time for the new Xenophon to show his stuff. We'll have to withdraw our forces from Afghanistan. Simplest way out would be North through Turkmenistan to the Caspian, by water to Baku in Azerbaijan, then by land to Turkey, a NATO member.
If for some reason that's closed, then next simplest would be if Pakistan agreed to our transit of their territory. Ask India and Pakistan to put the port of Ormara out of bounds for their war, and everything north and west of it. We'd have a long cross country march across mountainous desert, but it's not impassable.
Worst case---we have to fight our way out. Pakistan wouldn't have much to spare from its fight with India, so even a small force ought to be able to make its way without running into anything it couldn't handle.
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Learned Mother of Zion Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:04:34am |
re: #140 FrogMarch
great headline:
Mark Steyn: "Jews Get Killed, But Muslims Feel Vulnerable"
Great article!
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Elcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:05:08am |
re: #177 David IV of Georgia
I've been getting older...'tis a much nicer word the rotting, thank you...:)
There is no doubt of the horror of nukes. In fact in a silly ass attempt to open a closed rabid mind, I emailed Senor Ahmadinejad...and suggested that he study two pictures. One Hiroshima. Two Nagasaki.
'Cause if this mad insect keeps looking down a well for a mommie mahdi and just happens to miscalculate, he could be looking at Tehran.
The answer I did receive, was in Farsi, of course...after a good Aussie friend and linguist translated...all it was, WAS (gosh just about a Clintion'ism)...a friggin' form letter.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:05:27am |
re: #178 3 wood Whoa, my friend, was your dad in the OSS or was this a purely Army type operation he was involved in?
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:06:51am |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
I don't think nuking a country with their own nukes is a wise thing to do. I don't think nuking anyone today is a wise idea. It would be a very temporary fix and it would come back to bite us very hard IMHO.
But, we have to do something there...it is the cancer of the world right now. And, we need some chemo, stat
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:07:26am |
re: #173 Clemente
If you see the OS selection screen, your hard drive's not wiped. Repair should work, but takes time.
Thanks, I am bringing it to daddys today...
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:08:28am |
re: #179 Thanos
From your link: "Contrary to President Zardari's claims, the LET is no "stateless actor." In fact, the LET is and always was a creature of the ISI."
Methinks, notwithstanding it's "offical position" that the ISI is in fact a "stateless actor" in the sense that neither the Civilian government (if there still is one) nor the Military truly are "in charge" of the ISI.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:08:46am |
From Roggio's article:
Zardari was partly right. In all likelihood, neither he nor his supporters had anything to do with the attacks. So, if you define the "state of Pakistan" as the president and his immediate cohorts, his words ring true. Of course, there is more to Pakistan's government, including its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), the powerful military intelligence organization over which Zardari exerts little control. And there are good reasons to suspect that the ISI had a hand in the Mumbai attacks, which killed more than 180 people and wounded nearly 300.
The United States and India have named the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET) terror organization as the main perpetrator of the attacks. Indian authorities captured the lone gunman to survive the assault, and he reportedly admitted being trained by the LET. India also claims to have intercepted phone conversations between the Mumbai attackers and one of the LET's leaders in Pakistan. The full investigation will take some time to unfold, so it is too early to name all of those responsible. It is, however, a safe bet that the LET was heavily involved.
Contrary to President Zardari's claims, the LET is no "stateless actor." In fact, the LET is and always was a creature of the ISI.
Throughout the war against Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the United States, as well as other states, all sponsored the Afghan resistance fighters or mujahedeen. But Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were principally responsible for creating and sponsoring the most radical Islamic terrorist groups within the mujahedeen's ranks. This nexus is what first gave us Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda and, later, Mullah Omar's Taliban.
One of Bin Laden's first forays in Pakistan was in the Chitral region where he basically worked for Zia Al Haq to "Sunni-ize" the region. Yes, there was a bit of genocide.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:08:53am |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
It should be an option. We should we continue to suffer because Pakistan can't get its act together? I would favor the use of a small nuke on a city in Taliban territory. Such an act of terror might cow the population of the region into quiescence.
The use of nuclear is opening a can of rotten worms in that region. The USA has the upper hand when it come to morality and ethics. I would not like us to lose that over this regional conflict. I know the region has a bigger "picture" but still. If it gets down to us or them so be it.But until then...
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Macker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:09:23am |
re: #170 Desert Dog
Can you speak Klingon? :-)
I never knew that, but I love the Star Trek series...except that last one, Enterprise, it was baaad. I hope this new movie coming out in the summer is good...the trailer makes me wonder what kind of movie it will be.
I am a Star Trek purist. I prefer TOS, TNG, and DS9. V'ger is where they started to really fluctuate, and I started watching other science fiction on TV. Enterprise is even weaker, indeed.
And don't even get me started on the JJ Abrams film. They can't even get the damn USS Enterprise right!
And Klingon: I know only a few words and/or phrases:
jol yIchu: Beam Me Up!
baH: Fire!
Qapla': Success!
nuqneH: What do you want?
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rawmuse Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:10:01am |
re: #140 FrogMarch
great headline:
Mark Steyn: "Jews Get Killed, But Muslims Feel Vulnerable"
Mark Steyn also has a new Hit Single.
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:10:53am |
re: #198 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Thanks, I am bringing it to daddys today...
Take all the discs it came with, and any OS upgrade discs you've used.
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akak Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:11:02am |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
It should be an option. We should we continue to suffer because Pakistan can't get its act together? I would favor the use of a small nuke on a city in Taliban territory. Such an act of terror might cow the population of the region into quiescence.
Peshawar hopefully will be locked down, if India does move.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:12:21am |
re: #201 Erik The Red
The use of nuclear is opening a can of rotten worms in that region. The USA has the upper hand when it come to morality and ethics. I would not like us to lose that over this regional conflict. I know the region has a bigger "picture" but still. If it gets down to us or them so be it.But until then...
I know the arguments. I don't really advocate the use of a nuke. But for the life of me I don't see how some these regions can be pacified otherwise. I don't know what can be done conventionally.
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:12:44am |
Pearl Harbor Remembrance day. I salute the fortitude of that generation of Americans who fought the war to its conclusion. I fear they are the last of their kind.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:12:58am |
re: #181 Erik The Red
I said earlier in the tread that nuclear is not an option. It will be the end of days. Do I have the answer? NO I don't but nuclear it is not.
When I mentioned nuclear bombs, I was referring to the Pakis perhaps using them, not any Western power. Even in retaliation against a first strike on our soil, I would hesitate to use them. They tend to be the murder-suicide option.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:12:58am |
re: #202 Macker
I am not as big a purists as you, but I love those show and most of the movies. I actually liked Voyager, there were some very good episodes on that program. I think TNG was the best version, but I still watch the original every time I see it...that is the one I grew up with!
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:14:33am |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
I know the arguments. I don't really advocate the use of a nuke. But for the life of me I don't see how some these regions can be pacified otherwise. I don't know what can be done conventionally.
Nor do I but god help us if we are the one that drops the first one. I could see some merit in dropping one on Iran as a sign of the US intentions.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:15:04am |
re: #202 Macker
Ah, Klingon.
Qab sos'lich quch(my spelling may b off): Your mother has a smooth forehead.
/Yeah I was a trekkie/trekker
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Clemente Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:16:19am |
re: #198 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Thanks, I am bringing it to daddys today...
That's probably best.
Just one more tip. Once it boots, run scans with MBAM, Spybot, and the online scanner Thanos linked, and let them fix everything they find.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:17:12am |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
But for the life of me I don't see how some these regions can be pacified otherwise.
Cause and consequence. The cause is tyranny. The consequence is terrorism, agitation and other forms of manifest evil.
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:17:17am |
re: #207 maddogg
Pearl Harbor Remembrance day. I salute the fortitude of that generation of Americans who fought the war to its conclusion. I fear they are the last of their kind.
The troops are the same, brave, unyielding, loyal, selfless, patriotic, and willing to give the last full measure. From Lexington to Fallujah, and every point in between it the soldiers, sailors, marines and everyone else who's served underarms has not let us down.
It's the REMF's in DC who've screwed the troops, any time we've failed it's been because a feckless fucker in Washington has set the conditions for failure.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:17:30am |
re: #180 gregg
I found Friday's stock market action disappointing. The job numbers come in much worse than anyone imagined and the market goes up nearly 300 points. Apparently, the market thinks that since the job numbers were much worse than expected, the government will come through with more and bigger bailouts.
I think Friday's late rise was more the short sellers buying back out of their short positions for the weekend so they would not spend the weekend chewing their fingernails.
I also actually think the market is a bit oversold.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:17:42am |
re: #210 Erik The Red
I hope we never have to drop another one...I think we should never do a preemptive nuclear strike...unless we have undeniable evidence. What we should do is tell any would be nuclear terrorists or government that any kid of nuclear attack against the USA will result in the complete destruction of the country or host country.
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Macker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:17:47am |
re: #211 BlueCanuck
When V'ger frakked up (there's your hint) Tuvok's blook during a first season shoot, and never corrected it, that was when I started watching Babylon 5.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:19:50am |
re: #213 experiencedtraveller
Cause and consequence. The cause is tyranny. The consequence is terrorism, agitation and other forms of manifest evil.
I know the cause. What I cannot find is a cure that will work quickly enough for America to be able to use it. True reform in Pakistan would be the work of decades and we don't have that long.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:20:01am |
re: #216 Desert Dog
I hope we never have to drop another one...I think we should never do a preemptive nuclear strike...unless we have undeniable evidence. What we should do is tell any would be nuclear terrorists or government that any kid of nuclear attack against the USA will result in the complete destruction of the country or host country.
I agreen100% but that country/government has got to respect the US administration. will we have that when "The One" is President?
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gregg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:20:47am |
I think Coldplay has some splainin to do: Did Coldplay copy Joe Satriani?.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:21:06am |
One other noteworthy item - The Frontier Post usually carries several news items from Quetta, thought to be the nexus of AQ and TTP terror in Pakistan. Lately the Quetta section has been a blank.
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Irish Rose Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:21:21am |
Good morning, lizards.
Crawling back onto the blog this morning after a really nasty and extended bout of illness.
I see on one of the hater sites this morning that Charles has been accused of creating a "police state of mind" here at LGF.
So what the hell is a "police state of mind", exactly?
Anyone care to translate?
/not fluent in stupidese
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:21:49am |
re: #214 JCM
The troops are the same, brave, unyielding, loyal, selfless, patriotic, and willing to give the last full measure. From Lexington to Fallujah, and every point in between it the soldiers, sailors, marines and everyone else who's served underarms has not let us down.
It's the REMF's in DC who've screwed the troops, any time we've failed it's been because a feckless fucker in Washington has set the conditions for failure.
That is true. I wasn't talking about the troops. They are the equal of any that came before them. I was talking about the American Public, and the politicians who take their ques from them. They no longer have the grit to continue in the face of hardship until victory is complete.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:21:58am |
re: #217 Macker
I rarely watched it at all. I paid more attention to Bablyon 5 during the DS9 era. Especially with all the space battles. To me it seemed like they were copying JMS.
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:22:13am |
re: #182 JCM
Jumping behind enemy lines, where the peril is constant and of unknown duration! Simply amazing.
Yeah, they'd come looking for him too.
They way I found out about all this is he started having breathing problems about 6 months before he died.
I suggested he get checked out for bronchitis, and he mentioned that where he had pain was where he got shot in the ribs during the war, like you would mention that you were going to get the mail.
I started at the phone and said "What?"
That's when it all came out.
Mom had given me bits and pieces of the story as a kid, but I did not know the extent of it.
Like I say, I am humbled.
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:23:06am |
re: #224 maddogg
That is true. I wasn't talking about the troops. They are the equal of any that came before them. I was talking about the American Public, and the politicians who take their ques from them. They no longer have the grit to continue in the face of hardship until victory is complete.
Whew! I hope you were!
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:23:39am |
re: #223 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
Crawling back onto the blog this morning after a really nasty and extended bout of illness.I see on one of the hater sites this morning that Charles has been accused of creating a "police state of mind" here at LGF.
So what the hell is a "police state of mind", exactly?
Anyone care to translate?/not fluent in stupidese
It means that Mr. Johnson won't let just anyone post their crap on HIS website. Waaa!
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Clemente Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:23:49am |
re: #216 Desert Dog
I hope we never have to drop another one...I think we should never do a preemptive nuclear strike...unless we have undeniable evidence. What we should do is tell any would be nuclear terrorists or government that any kid of nuclear attack against the USA will result in the complete destruction of the country or host country.
Agreed. The certain expectation of a MASSIVELY disproportionate response to use of WMD on American territory should be in the front of the minds of those who'd contemplate such attacks.
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dmandman Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:24:15am |
re: #220 ploome hineni
That's a common plot device in Japanese Anime. I know of at least 5 of them dating from the 90's to current day that have that as a living arrangement.
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Desert Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:24:23am |
re: #221 gregg
I think Coldplay has some splainin to do: Did Coldplay copy Joe Satriani?.
Wow, I knew that tune sounded familiar! If you ever get the chance to see Joe, DO IT! He is incredible! Cold Play? eh, I can take them or leave them
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:24:25am |
re: #188 notutopia
3wood. So, don't get too excited about the mortgage rates declining or about the property and land sales increases yet...
So who said they were excited. I'm reporting facts and making economic observations.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:24:38am |
re: #223 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
Crawling back onto the blog this morning after a really nasty and extended bout of illness.I see on one of the hater sites this morning that Charles has been accused of creating a "police state of mind" here at LGF.
So what the hell is a "police state of mind", exactly?
Anyone care to translate?/not fluent in stupidese
Translation from Moonbat to Anti-Idiotarian:
"police state of mind" = "Charles wouldn't let me say whatever I wanted without consequence. He enforced rules on me, therefore he's a Nazi."
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3 wood Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:25:32am |
re: #196 realwest
3 wood Whoa, my friend, was your dad in the OSS or was this a purely Army type operation he was involved in?
Army.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:26:13am |
re: #207 maddogg
I will certainly join you in your salute to "The Greatest Generation" for they did indeed do virtually miraculous things.
But I believe their legacy lives on - I truly mean it when I say that American Troops have - since WWII continually displayed the kind of "quiet courage" that their counterparts in WWII displayed. That American Troops have been used as political pawns, including, perhaps especially when there were relative periods of peace in the world (think 1975-9/11/01) when these troops needed help and medical care and couldn't get it, is, regretfully, a matter of political habit.
When there's a war on, EVERYONE (or those with functioning brain cells) loves the troops. After the war, almost everyone forgets them. Wish I had Kipling's "Tommy" to recite here.
But my main point is that American troops have always been there when needed and have always done their best.
I know not where we continually find these wonderful people when we need them, but pray and believe, that we continue to do so.
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:27:24am |
re: #226 3 wood
So many of came home and just went about their lives.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:27:41am |
re: #216 Desert Dog
I hope we never have to drop another one...I think we should never do a preemptive nuclear strike...unless we have undeniable evidence. What we should do is tell any would be nuclear terrorists or government that any kid of nuclear attack against the USA will result in the complete destruction of the country or host country.
A WMD attack against the US would be sufficient reason to retaliate in kind. Whether we choose to do so or not is a different matter. One Mk-53 should do the trick, or twenty B-83s on most small to medium sized countries.
Even if we've completely taken nukes off the table as an option, we should never allow other countries to know that.
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Elcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:28:39am |
Email to a madman…Reply from said madman.
Just in case, there are doubters...:)
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Killian Bundy Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:28:55am |
/no comment
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:28:57am |
re: #214 JCM
JCM - I unwittingly said the same thing - albeit not as elegantly as did you, in my #236. GMTA!
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SurferDoc Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:29:50am |
re: #136 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
I can't even get into the system to do a restore, it keeps going to the boot menu and when I select the mode, it appears to boot..it goes to the Dell screen then it goes to the boot menu again. It's looping between the two.
Hi! Do you have the OS disk? If you do, there is a chance you can do a repair.
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:29:54am |
re: #238 JCM
So many of came home and just went about their lives.
As best they could. My favorite Uncle woke up every night covered in sweat for 25 years. He was a glider pilot on Europe.
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Clemente Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:31:18am |
re: #236 realwest
Kipling's "Tommy"
Last stanza:
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace. -For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Savior of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:32:31am |
re: #239 David IV of Georgia
A WMD attack against the US would be sufficient reason to retaliate in kind. Whether we choose to do so or not is a different matter. One Mk-53 should do the trick, or twenty B-83s on most small to medium sized countries.
Even if we've completely taken nukes off the table as an option, we should never allow other countries to know that.
But what about the MSM? They would be the first to report that the nuclear option is off the table.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:32:55am |
My admiration for an American Soldier does not ebb and flow dependent upon the era they are from.
Collectively they are the toughest sons of bitches on the planet, and I admire them greatly.
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Elcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:33:01am |
OH...NO, I did NOT leave off the capital A's, the madmen must have a thing for capital A's, for 'they' let the NON capitalized a's alone.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:33:53am |
re: #245 Clemente
They don't make poets like him anymore. He said it better than any of us ever could.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:34:05am |
re: #218 Dark_Falcon
I know the cause. What I cannot find is a cure that will work quickly enough for America to be able to use it. True reform in Pakistan would be the work of decades and we don't have that long.
We glared at the nuclear armed Russian communists for 60 years.
Granted the Russians weren't sending suicide squads to shoot up Paris...
My point is that there are some elements in Pakistan whom we can support for our advantage.
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AuntAcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:34:06am |
re: #25 taxfreekiller
Dear America,
You will have a Kennedy in your Senate.
Democrat Commies
We have no choice. It's in the Bible
Numbers 6:24
" A Kennedy will bless you and watch over you."
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:34:45am |
re: #240 Elcid
Email to a madman…Reply from said madman.
Just in case, there are doubters...:)
What did the reply say?
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Shay4l Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:34:48am |
Peace on Earth. Good will toward men.
(Putting up the Xmas tree with carols playing on the stereo. Feels good.)
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Irish Rose Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:35:42am |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
Translation from Moonbat to Anti-Idiotarian:
"police state of mind" = "Charles wouldn't let me say whatever I wanted without consequence. He enforced rules on me, therefore he's a Nazi."
Actually the comment was made by an ex-lizard... who also thinks that the rest of us here are a bunch of cowards, ass-kissers, crippled thinkers and intellectual sado-masochists.
/and we swear too much, too ;)
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:36:25am |
re: #250 experiencedtraveller
We glared at the nuclear armed Russian communists for 60 years.
Granted the Russians weren't sending suicide squads to shoot up Paris...
My point is that there are some elements in Pakistan whom we can support for our advantage.
Who in the long run? We supported Saddam and Bin Laden in that region for a reason. Who do we pick and for how long can we trust them?
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:36:34am |
re: #216 Desert Dog
I usually abhor war of any kind - it is truly one of the biggest evils mankind engages in, but God Help me, I am not of a mind to "turn the other cheek" or seek dialog with anyone who attacks the United States - nuclear or otherwise.
And as for terrorist's using nukes against us, former LGFer reaganite - who's expertise in bombs is undisputed - has said out here many times that every bomb - including nuclear - leaves "fingerprints" where the explosives came from, where the detonation device came from, how it got to where it was exploded, all of it is TRACEABLE, even if the different component parts come from a variety of sources. And God help Iran or Pakistan or any other terrorist enabling state who assists terrorists in using one or more nukes or dirty bombs against us.
In such an event, I'm afraid I'd feel and show no mercy whatsoever.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:36:52am |
re: #250 experiencedtraveller
We glared at the nuclear armed Russian communists for 60 years.
Granted the Russians weren't sending suicide squads to shoot up Paris...
My point is that there are some elements in Pakistan whom we can support for our advantage.
There are such elements and I do favor supporting them. What I question is whether they can reign in the crazies before said crazies set off a WMD somewhere in the West and leave us no choice but to nuke them.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:36:57am |
re: #244 maddogg
As best they could. My favorite Uncle woke up every night covered in sweat for 25 years. He was a glider pilot on Europe.
From what my grandfather said about WW II glider pilots, he ought to be covered in sweat—that was a suicide job. My grandfather was a paratrooper. He got to see the results of (crash) landing gliders first hand.
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nyc redneck Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:38:53am |
re: #41 Thanos
Bomb found in Indian nursing home - the Jihadi's are going to try to create more incidents in the next few days.
what cowards. these barbarians are despicable.
what's next day care centers.
these sob's are pure evil.
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JCM Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:39:07am |
re: #242 realwest
JCM - I unwittingly said the same thing - albeit not as elegantly as did you, in my #236. GMTA!
It the fact that we always seem to have the young men and women willing to go do these hard things that keeps me optimistic.
Despite the economy, Obama, the left and all that.
We always have these amazing men and women. That tells me there is a family that raised them. The you start looking at those families and those around them. All kinds of ordinary folks, doing ordinary things, day in day out. Going to work, practicing their faith, raising kids, participating in community. That's America, it doesn't matter what's up in DC, or what the talking heads say or the proclamations from the ivory towers.
They go quietly daily about the business of being American.
Come the end of the day, the politicians, pundits, intelligencia and have nothing to say about it.
It's ordinary Americans doing all those little things who make us what we.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:42:34am |
re: #224 maddogg
"They no longer have the grit to continue in the face of hardship until victory is complete" I have to say that I don't agree with you - completely. They have never been called upon to display that grit; we have, since Vietnam and the last time the draft was implemented, never REQUIRED the American Public to "be at war" and therein lies the questions not only of "grit" but of the sense of entitlement I sense about many of the younger generations. We endured many enormous hardships to give succeeding generations peace and now do not know how they will react should "real" war ever reach America. But I'd bet that they will show the grit required - especially if Obama isn't POTUS. And maybe even then - maybe Obama would surprise us all as POTUS.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:44:06am |
re: #246 Erik The Red
But what about the MSM? They would be the first to report that the nuclear option is off the table.
Within the bounds allowed by law, the MSM should be lied to when national interests are at stake. And future presidents shouldn't announce what countries they plan to attack—unless it is some dangerous ploy. (I'm betting ignorant stupidity rather than dangerous ploy.)
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:44:34am |
re: #259 David IV of Georgia
From what my grandfather said about WW II glider pilots, he ought to be covered in sweat—that was a suicide job. My grandfather was a paratrooper. He got to see the results of (crash) landing gliders first hand.
Yeah. He made Market Garden and Linebacker. Got shot during Operation Linebacker, through the leg. His tow plane was shot down and he saw the pilot bale out. He was on fire and his chute never opened. They were so close to the ground at this point my Uncle saw him bounce. He landed his troops (82 Airborne) safely though. He is a hell of a man. Refused to discuss any of this until very recently. He feels the end coming.
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Elcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:44:57am |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
What did the reply say?
According to Mental Floss at Old Tim Blair's place...Nothing but drivel, concerning Islam and their regime's view of it.
I seriously doubt because of their 7th/8th Century thinking, 'they' viewed or even cared about what occurred with Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
Honestly, the only thing 'they' would understand, is Israel or US is leveling of Natanz...conventionally or otherwise.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:45:07am |
re: #240 Elcid
Hey, I really like that Christmas theme on your blog, good job.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:46:01am |
re: #245 Clemente
Thank you for that. I've "hearted it" - something which I rarely do. Again, thank you.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:46:08am |
re: #263 David IV of Georgia
Within the bounds allowed by law, the MSM should be lied to when national interests are at stake. And future presidents shouldn't announce what countries they plan to attack—unless it is some dangerous ploy. (I'm betting ignorant stupidity rather than dangerous ploy.)
Fuck national interests they should be lied to period. Just like they lie to us.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:47:55am |
What the heck is going on in Greece?
All I can get is big riots after the police shot dead a Youth who belonged to leftist, anti-establishment groups that started throwing stones and bits of wood.
Is this pc speech code or are the Athenians and Peloponneseans at it again?
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Irish Rose Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:48:09am |
While most of us were enjoying a quiet weekend... the jihadists were hard at work on the noble and blessed task of killing and terrorizing innocent men, women and children in markets, bazaars and grocery stores.
Weekend terror stats, from [Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com:...]
12/6/2008 (Baidoa, Somalia) - An Islamic militia member tosses a grenade into a market, killing three civilians.
12/5/2008 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Five people are killed at a grocery by Islamic bombers.
12/5/2008 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Mujahideen bombers take out two Iraqis.
12/5/2008 (Bannu, Pakistan) - Taliban militants kill two policemen with a rocket attack.
12/5/2008 (Orakzai, Pakistan) - Religious extremists take out ten shoppers at a bazaar with a suicide blast.
12/5/2008 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Twenty-nine people at a marketplace are blown to bits by sectarian car bombers.
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Daisy Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:49:21am |
"Following our last visit to Faridkot, the mayor, Wattoo, announced via the loudspeaker at the mosque that no one was to speak to any outsiders."
And this is what they want to impose on the free world.
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:50:08am |
re: #270 Irish Rose
I wonder what we would do for evil if Islam didn't exist?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:50:14am |
Pictorial essay and commentary on the contrast in the Pakistan Class of '47
[Link: pakistaniat.com...]
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Elcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:50:20am |
re: #266 Thanos
Thanks, Thanos...I thought it appropriate, in these days. We ALL could use a tad of uplifting.
To my Jewish friends...WordPress does NOT have any Hanukkah themes.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:50:41am |
re: #270 Irish Rose
Thanks Irish not much more to say. Thank God we do not live in those regions.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:51:50am |
re: #269 experiencedtraveller
What the heck is going on in Greece?
All I can get is big riots after the police shot dead a Youth who belonged to leftist, anti-establishment groups that started throwing stones and bits of wood.
Is this pc speech code or are the Athenians and Peloponneseans at it again?
By my read: Lefties went bats crazy and the cops tried to arrest them. The lefties attacked the police and one of them was turned into a Good Terrorist, after which even more lefties got even crazier.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:51:57am |
re: #261 JCM
I wish I had a hundred updings to give you for that my friend, because it is all so true.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:53:31am |
re: #270 Irish Rose
While most of us were enjoying a quiet weekend... the jihadists were hard at work on the noble and blessed task of killing and terrorizing innocent men, women and children in markets, bazaars and grocery stores.
Weekend terror stats, from [Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com:...]
12/6/2008 (Baidoa, Somalia) - An Islamic militia member tosses a grenade into a market, killing three civilians.
12/5/2008 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Five people are killed at a grocery by Islamic bombers.
12/5/2008 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Mujahideen bombers take out two Iraqis.
12/5/2008 (Bannu, Pakistan) - Taliban militants kill two policemen with a rocket attack.
12/5/2008 (Orakzai, Pakistan) - Religious extremists take out ten shoppers at a bazaar with a suicide blast.
12/5/2008 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Twenty-nine people at a marketplace are blown to bits by sectarian car bombers.
ROPMA!
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:54:01am |
re: #263 David IV of Georgia "Within the bounds allowed by law,"
screw it, the law doesn't require that the POTUS, as either President or as Commander-in-Chief has to tell the MSM anything at all.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:54:22am |
re: #262 realwest
"They no longer have the grit to continue in the face of hardship until victory is complete" I have to say that I don't agree with you - completely. They have never been called upon to display that grit; we have, since Vietnam and the last time the draft was implemented, never REQUIRED the American Public to "be at war" and therein lies the questions not only of "grit" but of the sense of entitlement I sense about many of the younger generations. We endured many enormous hardships to give succeeding generations peace and now do not know how they will react should "real" war ever reach America. But I'd bet that they will show the grit required - especially if Obama isn't POTUS. And maybe even then - maybe Obama would surprise us all as POTUS.
After 911, I thought about joining up—there were a half dozen military jobs I was still young enough to get. I was told I wasn't needed. I worked at a huge warehouse/distribution center. I thought about how we could ramp up our operations to help with war supplies. Most of the people I talked to were willing to do 80 hours work for 40 hours pay. We were told to continue with our lives, business as usual.
Had we actually fought all the countries that contributed to the terrorism of 911 with the end that there would never be another opportunity for such an attack for generations and been told to sacrifice for such an end, I think most Americans would be up for the task.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:54:58am |
re: #261 JCM
It the fact that we always seem to have the young men and women willing to go do these hard things that keeps me optimistic.
Despite the economy, Obama, the left and all that.
We always have these amazing men and women. That tells me there is a family that raised them. The you start looking at those families and those around them. All kinds of ordinary folks, doing ordinary things, day in day out. Going to work, practicing their faith, raising kids, participating in community. That's America, it doesn't matter what's up in DC, or what the talking heads say or the proclamations from the ivory towers.
They go quietly daily about the business of being American.
Come the end of the day, the politicians, pundits, intelligencia and have nothing to say about it.
It's ordinary Americans doing all those little things who make us what we.
Amen. There are millions of folks who "quietly" go about the business of being American, every day. And it is indeed those folks doing "all those little things" who make us what we are. Not the politicians. Not Hollywood. Not the MSM, nor the east coast/left coast leftist "elite".
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teleskiguy Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:55:13am |
The United States must now relinquish Allied status with Pakistan. Oh, and Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and any other Islamofascist state. (BLeeP) Islamofascism!
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Irish Rose Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:55:53am |
Also from TROP.com:
While those of us here in the states were celebrating Thanksgiving with our families and loved ones:
Weekly Jihad Report
Nov 22 - Nov 28
Jihad Attacks: 63
Dead Bodies: 372
Critically Injured: 642
Terror attacks in the United States of America during that very same week: ZERO.
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NelsFree Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:57:15am |
I just mentioned to my 11 yr old Son that today is Pearl Harbor Day. His response:
"Oh, yeah, we covered that in second period Friday".
He then turned on the TV to Cartoon Network to watch Spongebob.
The Freedom we enjoy today. But at what price?
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Pullus Iulius Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:59:37am |
re: #257 realwest
"Those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out."
-Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman, USA, Letter to the Mayor and Councilmen of Atlanta, 1864
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:01:26am |
re: #280 realwest
"Within the bounds allowed by law,"
screw it, the law doesn't require that the POTUS, as either President or as Commander-in-Chief has to tell the MSM anything at all.
Hopefully the POTUS, if he has made such a decision, has the wisdom to keep his mouth shut. If questioned on the point and he feels some odd duty to answer an inappropriate question, he should not hesitate to lie. I was thinking more of national secrets in Washington in general—if three people discuss it, it'll get leaked to the media.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:02:53am |
re: #281 David IV of Georgia I agree with you completely, but you must realize that you are an unusual and special person. Most folks will not "volunteer" unless their government (i.e., in this context, the POTUS) asks them to do so.
And for that I truly do not blame them; if the government doesn't seem to NEED me to give up my life of working hard, trying to raise a family, "move up" in the socio-economic world, why should I?
We both understand the morality of why they should; but I do understand the reality of a lack of volunteers not called for by the government.
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Pietr Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:04:51am |
The WWII vets were from the era of the draft, tho many were voluntarily enlisted. Likewise, with Korea and Vietnam. Todays fighting force is all volunteer, and recruiting goals are consistently met. That obviously speaks volumes about their mettle, and the families they come from. America is truly blessed, and the politicians had better start doing their job properly, or at least 1/2 as well as these modern heroes do theirs. Lord knows, none of us ever did it for the money...
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:07:03am |
re: #286 Pullus Iulius
Yeah, well while I respect Sherman's military genius, he was the one person who truly brought forth - in his time era - the concept of making war on civilians. The sort of thing I abhor completely.
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Steffan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:07:06am |
Ghandi was very fortunate in his campaign -- his opponents were mostly decent people who didn't believe in harming the innocent.
The Indians, especially the elites, want to continue that tradition, but their current opponents have resigned from the human race. The government reaction in Mumbai was a catastrophic failure.
PESHAWAR, Pakistan – Gunmen blasted their way into two transport terminals in Pakistan on Sunday and torched more than 160 vehicles destined for U.S.-led troops in Afghanistan, in the biggest assault yet on a vital military supply line, officials said.
The U.S. military said its losses in the raid near the northwestern city of Peshawar would have "minimal" impact on anti-Taliban operations, set to expand with the arrival of thousands more American troops next year.
However, the attack will fuel concern that insurgents are trying to choke the route through the famed Khyber Pass, which carries up to 70 percent of the supplies for Western forces in landlocked Afghanistan, and drive up the cost of the war.
Why we're leaving security in that area to the locals is beyond my comprehension.
It's not all bad news, though:
Indicted Democratic U.S. Rep. William Jefferson was ousted Saturday from his New Orleans area district, while Republicans narrowly held on to the seat vacated by a retiring incumbent.
The wins followed Republicans' reconquest of another House seat earlier this fall that had been lost to Democrats.
In the 2nd Congressional District, which includes most of New Orleans, Republican attorney Anh "Joseph" Cao won 50 percent of the vote to Jefferson's 47 percent and will become the first Vietnamese-American in Congress. His only previous political experience was an unsuccessful 2007 bid for a seat in the state legislature.
In the 4th Congressional District in western Louisiana, Republican John Fleming squeaked past Democrat Paul Carmouche in the race to replace retiring 10-term Rep. Jim McCrery, R-La. Only a few hundred votes separated the two.
I'd say that's worth celebrating.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:07:44am |
re: #286 Pullus Iulius
"Those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out."
-Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman, USA, Letter to the Mayor and Councilmen of Atlanta, 1864
The same man: "You say that war is all glory. I tell you that it is all Hell".
What we need today is a Sherman who could impress upon terror supporters the costs of war. David Petraeus is a great general, but he does not strike me as the man to do this. A general sent into Wazirstan to bring the cost of war home to the people there would need a touch of cruelty about him and be able to inflict suffering without flinching. Such a policy might actually work without mass killing. However it would be a late ditch (if not last ditch) option, as it would be a policy hated the world over.
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Ron Shaw Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:07:50am |
Wow...a journalist doing their job...investigating the lineage, home and birthplace of a person in whom citizens of the world might be intensely interested for whatever reasons...a real reporter, investigative journalism...double wow!
If only he were a worshiping Obamite, then the MSM would never subjugate us to such meaningless, mundane distractions.
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ctrlL Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:08:16am |
re: #285 NelsFree
I just mentioned to my 11 yr old Son that today is Pearl Harbor Day. His response:
"Oh, yeah, we covered that in second period Friday".He then turned on the TV to Cartoon Network to watch Spongebob.
The Freedom we enjoy today. But at what price?
Teaching moment for you here.
Don't allow only the school to 'cover' important things. Ask about his thoughts and share yours with him. Do anything to pass the understanding and gravity of the moment. Think about it and you will find a great deal of things YOU can do to improve the situation.
Regards ..
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:09:36am |
re: #291 realwest
Yeah, well while I respect Sherman's military genius, he was the one person who truly brought forth - in his time era - the concept of making war on civilians. The sort of thing I abhor completely.
It worked though. The will of the South had to be broken. Sometimes nothing short of terror will suffice to win a war. And it's better to be a monster than a war-loser.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:10:42am |
re: #287 David IV of Georgia You're right, of course. But there is the concept of "Me" there in operation. "See, Mr. Reporter[sic] I'm a Big Deal in the government and I know something big! And it's Top Secret. And here it is, but only if you use the information anonymously."
It comes from, I think, more often a need to "show" how important one is, than from any truly traitorous intent, but the results are still the same.
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:11:16am |
re: #296 Dark_Falcon
It worked though. The will of the South had to be broken. Sometimes nothing short of terror will suffice to win a war. And it's better to be a monster than a war-loser.
The will of the South was never broken. Grant understood that the Army of Northern Virginia (Lee) had to be destroyed. This he did, and the war ended.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:11:52am |
re: #282 reine.de.tout
Hi reine! What a fine post that was and so Spot On.
Thanks for posting those thoughts.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:12:13am |
re: #264 maddogg
Yeah. He made Market Garden and Linebacker. Got shot during Operation Linebacker, through the leg. His tow plane was shot down and he saw the pilot bale out. He was on fire and his chute never opened. They were so close to the ground at this point my Uncle saw him bounce. He landed his troops (82 Airborne) safely though. He is a hell of a man. Refused to discuss any of this until very recently. He feels the end coming.
My grandfather was in the 101st Airborne. He joined up after Pearl Harbor. He was 26 when he joined—the other soldiers called him "grandpa". Right after the war and right before he died were the only times he talked about what he did. He was a big, tough brawler and boozer before the war. When he came back he was still big, but he was a gentle family man. I think he had enough fighting for several lifetimes in those few years. He had all sorts of bizarre scars on him.
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rawmuse Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:12:40am |
re: #296 Dark_Falcon
It worked though. The will of the South had to be broken. Sometimes nothing short of terror will suffice to win a war. And it's better to be a monster than a war-loser.
It worked, and at what cost? Generations of Southerners had no other image of Yankees other than crop burners, mother rapers and baby killers. Some still do.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:13:09am |
Semi OT:
Iran Tests Missile During Naval Maneuver
The only good spot of this that they were testing a conventional SSM. If they were to meet us in a naval battle such a missile would not prevent their defeat, for our defense against such missiles is excellent.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:14:17am |
re: #293 Dark_Falcon
The same man: "You say that war is all glory. I tell you that it is all Hell".
What we need today is a Sherman who could impress upon terror supporters the costs of war. David Petraeus is a great general, but he does not strike me as the man to do this. A general sent into Wazirstan to bring the cost of war home to the people there would need a touch of cruelty about him and be able to inflict suffering without flinching. Such a policy might actually work without mass killing. However it would be a late ditch (if not last ditch) option, as it would be a policy hated the world over.
You are right but that general would be relieved of duty as soon as the first news report at 6pm. The general population knows to much, to soon and they do not have the will or stomach for war. No MSM embedded on the front line.
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Steffan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:15:54am |
re: #280 realwest
"Within the bounds allowed by law,"
screw it, the law doesn't require that the POTUS, as either President or as Commander-in-Chief has to tell the MSM anything at all.
Absolutely.
I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are.
--William Tecumseh Sherman
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:16:08am |
re: #301 rawmuse
It worked, and at what cost? Generations of Southerners had no other image of Yankees other than crop burners, mother rapers and baby killers. Some still do.
Had Lincoln lived, it would have been a different story. No Reconstruction, just reunification. Reconstruction set the entire country back for an unknown number of years.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:16:34am |
re: #301 rawmuse
It worked, and at what cost? Generations of Southerners had no other image of Yankees other than crop burners, mother rapers and baby killers. Some still do.
I know the cost. It was a bad measure but it was one needed to end the war. I pray that the wars in our own time may find better solutions. But I do need ask: What if there are no solutions that do not involve monstrous acts on our part? I'm not an advocate of deliberate desolation, but there may cases where it is needed.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:17:36am |
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RubyTuesday Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:19:07am |
re: #308 Erik The Red
Why? Did I do it wrong? (It was my first sarc tag.)
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:19:27am |
After McClellan had been relieved, a reporter asked him why the Northern Army could not seem to defeat the Southern army. He replied that the Northern soldiers did not hate the Southern soldiers enough.
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Erik The Red Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:20:04am |
re: #310 RubyTuesday
Why? Did I do it wrong? (It was my first sarc tag.)
No well done. Sorry if I overreacted.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:20:11am |
re: #301 rawmuse
It worked, and at what cost? Generations of Southerners had no other image of Yankees other than crop burners, mother rapers and baby killers. Some still do.
I went to grad school in a Yankee state. Every person outside my close circle of family and friends that I told about my plans had the exact same response:
"What the hell you goin' up there for?"
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RubyTuesday Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:22:51am |
re: #312 Erik The Red
No problem. One thing you'll never have to worry about with me is my conservative leaning. Bush made mistakes, but I'm still glad he was POTUS the last 8 years. However, he'll get the blame by libs no matter what happens in the future.
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VegasRick Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:24:32am |
re: #314 RubyTuesday
No problem. One thing you'll never have to worry about with me is my conservative leaning. Bush made mistakes, but I'm still glad he was POTUS the last 8 years. However, he'll get the blame by libs no matter what happens in the future.
I like your avatar.
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Son of the Black Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:25:31am |
re: #96 ciaospirit
Because of our military heroes, BHO can do this.
Obama goes upscale in Hawaii for holiday
While he tells the rest of us to sacrifice.
I wonder if Obama can be bothered to go the the Arizona memorial?
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Joan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:26:21am |
re: #157 Thanos
I don't believe the coup rumors, I'm giving that the 24hour rule.
Kayani met with Gilani over the Mumbai situation, the war in the frontiers, and other matters yesterday, which is probably what's driving the speculation. With McCain and Lieberman in Pakistan I was expecting this. You have to remember how inimical all the political parties in Pakistan are to each other to understand how these rumors get spun out there.
There's a third player in the region being ignored as well. China holds a chunk of the Kashmir, and although they are counseling calm they are also holding war games with India right now.
strictly a parochial observation, but: the President elect of the U.S. publicly "rehabilitated" McCain and Lieberman, and given who McCain is, and Lieberman, they've not gone over to Pakistan just on a whim, but certainly in consultation with, if not the direct behest of, Pres. Bush & Pres.Elect O And that, to me, is a comforting thought about the incoming Dem administration. I like to pretend Obama desires US security and success strongly enough to go with what works, not with what will fit the ideological doctrines
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Macker Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:26:31am |
re: #225 BlueCanuck
I rarely watched it at all. I paid more attention to Bablyon 5 during the DS9 era. Especially with all the space battles. To me it seemed like they were copying JMS.
And Ronald D. Moore was working on DS9 by then...y'all know what he went on to do...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:27:25am |
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Pietr Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:30:13am |
re: #314 RubyTuesday
Likewise, Ruby-I don't think Gore or Kerry could've kept the US attack free during these last 7 + years, Truly I don't.
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rawmuse Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:30:33am |
Call me old fashioned, but I think that the considered and deliberate application of military force to destroy civilians or other non military targets is a war crime, especially when applied against one's own population. People tend not to forget those things.
When civilians out of uniform take up arms against a uniformed foe, that is an entirely different matter.
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RubyTuesday Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:31:02am |
re: #315 VegasRick
Thanks! It's too bad it's too tiny to be seen without clicking.
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VegasRick Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:32:01am |
re: #323 RubyTuesday
Thanks! It's too bad it's too tiny to be seen without clicking.
The message is huge.
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irongrampa Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:32:47am |
Today is December 7th.
Might wish to sit and ponder the incalculable magnitude of the debt we owe that generation.
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Son of the Black Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:32:47am |
re: #100 realwest
... And I can tell you that the Pakistanis are not about to let themselves be "invaded" as indicated by Obama, without doing everything they can do to preserve their national sovereignty - and please do not forget that Pakistan and China have mutual aid treaties. ...
I wonder if the attack on the transit supply point that destroyed 160 vehicles and tons of supplies was actually just a little warning from the Pak military or the ISI to remind us just how vulnerable our forces in Afghanistan are to a shut off of overland supply through Pakistan.
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RubyTuesday Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:33:29am |
re: #318 Joan
I like to pretend Obama desires US security and success strongly enough to go with what works, not with what will fit the ideological doctrines
Me too, but what I SEE is a sleight-of-hand artist complete with top hat and tails. He's a facade. We'll be lucky if we ever see the machinations taking place behind the curtains.
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DistantThunder Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:33:33am |
It's at this point that the naysayers, dragged kicking and screaming to the obvious, angrily retort: "So what's your point?"
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DistantThunder Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:34:23am |
re: #326 Son of the Black Dog
I wonder if the attack on the transit supply point that destroyed 160 vehicles and tons of supplies was actually just a little warning from the Pak military or the ISI to remind us just how vulnerable our forces in Afghanistan are to a shut off of overland supply through Pakistan.
Paki military response teams didn't show up for 40 minutes - hmmm.
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derbigdog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:35:21am |
re: #59 ciaospirit
Our service men and women are suffering the same (if not worse) treatment by the Islamic terrorists in the middle east.
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blangwort Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:36:02am |
re: #207 maddogg
Pearl Harbor Remembrance day. I salute the fortitude of that generation of Americans who fought the war to its conclusion. I fear they are the last of their kind.
I sincerely doubt that sir. We still have many heroes among us. Sadly, they seem to be lacking in the executive and congressional branches of government. There is a cure for that, however...
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:36:29am |
re: #296 Dark_Falcon
Respectfully, by the time Sherman started his march to the sea, the South had lost at Gettysburg and at Vicksburg. It was fairly obvious to any disinterested observer, that the North was going to win, the only question was how long. And since Sherman's boss, U.S. Grant, was willing to lose as many men in his numerous battles with Robert E. Lee as Lee had in his army at the time of the start of those battles, there was no risk that the North was going to lose. And burning homes (not "just" plantaions, stealing all the food and crops and driving civilians to homelessness and starvation - not to mention other depravations) was, in my NOT so humble opinion, was the act of a military genius, but that of win at any cost and if you kill civilians while you're at it, that's ok barbarian. That is not now, nor has it been really since the Civil War or I suppose what has been called the "Indian Wars" the attitude of the US military nor of America. And I think Sherman set back North-South Relations for generations with his actions.
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DistantThunder Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:36:37am |
re: #178 3 wood
I found out just before he died that my Dad was one of those guys the parachuted behind German lines to listen in on radio traffic and try to get gleaned intelligence on troop movements out. Dad grew up in a fluent German speaking neighborhood in Detroit and could speak/understand it very well.
He never talked about it until just before the end.
And I heard that many parachuting in were dressed as civilians - an executable offense if captured.
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SurferDoc Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:36:41am |
re: #321 Pietr
Likewise, Ruby-I don't think Gore or Kerry could've kept the US attack free during these last 7 + years, Truly I don't.
I think we would have had terror attacks and they would have been telling us the we just have to get used this sort of unpreventable thing...
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Steffan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:37:11am |
re: #293 Dark_Falcon
The same man: "You say that war is all glory. I tell you that it is all Hell".
What we need today is a Sherman who could impress upon terror supporters the costs of war. David Petraeus is a great general, but he does not strike me as the man to do this. A general sent into Wazirstan to bring the cost of war home to the people there would need a touch of cruelty about him and be able to inflict suffering without flinching. Such a policy might actually work without mass killing. However it would be a late ditch (if not last ditch) option, as it would be a policy hated the world over.
What we really need is another Churchill.
"I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory -- victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival."
Same man, different occasion:
"Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free, and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age... Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'"
They literally don't make 'em like Sir Winston any more, which is unfortunate.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:37:35am |
OT: Liberal imperalist warmongering alert!
Washington Post calls for invading Zimbabwe!
It took military intervention by neighbors to end the insanity of Idi Amin and Mobutu Sese Seko; Zimbabwe begs for the same remedy.
Of course, it's a call for invasion by "neighbors", so I guess it's okay. We all know, of course, that African troops scrupulously uphold all the Geneva conventions, and general principles of humanitarianism, so I'm sure an all-African war will be an incredibly civilized affair. Not like us beastly Americans, with our panties-on-the-head and whatnot.
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Pietr Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:38:27am |
re: #331 blangwort
Too bad Murtha got re-elected, instead of the Ex GI/Reservist running against him. That might've gotten things started in the right direction.
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DistantThunder Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:39:47am |
re: #337 Pietr
Too bad Murtha got re-elected, instead of the Ex GI/Reservist running against him. That might've gotten things started in the right direction.
I would like to interview people who re-elected Murtha and ask them why. Lots of scummy politicians get re-elected by democrats - even when they know they are scummy. I think it's because they are truly representative.
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Dustyvet Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:39:58am |
When pork puts our troops at risk
posted at 12:35 pm on December 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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In the new asymmetrical wars we fight, the concern over chemical warfare has heightened, and the US military has tried to prepare for that danger. They now issue a resin powder that absorbs deadly chemicals, but a much better product has been in use for years in Canada and has been approved for use in the US since 2003. The Department of Defense would like to replace the resin with the new lotion, but Congress has forced the Pentagon to buy the old product — through earmarks:
Scientists have discovered a lotion that can save the lives of U.S. soldiers exposed to chemical weapons — a product vastly superior to the standard-issue decontamination powder.
Naturally, the Defense Department wants to scrap the powder and switch to the more-effective lotion.
But there’s a problem: After being lobbied by the companies making the powder, several members of Congress pushed through two earmarks worth $7.6 million that forced the military for the past two years to keep buying the inferior product.
The product, known as M291, is made from a resin sold exclusively by a Pennsylvania chemical company, which is then processed into powder by a New York company, then assembled into individual kits at a facility in Arkansas.
Among the lawmakers who championed the earmarks are Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y.; Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; and Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.
In fact, Congress has allocated over $43 million in earmarks to the manufacturer of the resin, Rohm and Haas of Pennsylvania, since 2000. Of the $43,013,800 Congress set aside in pork for R&H, only $16,000 had any competition at all. The rest of it came through no-bid contracts built into earmarks.
And why? Not because R&H had a superior product. As the Seattle Times notes, R&H had an inferior product that the DoD wanted to replace because of the risk to our troops in the field. Instead of allowing the Pentagon to make its own determination or at least to put the contracts up for a competitive bid process that would have allowed R&H to make the case for its product, Congress intervened to force the inferior product onto the troops.
No, as the Times makes clear, the issue here was parochialism about the source of production … and campaign contributions. Arlen Specter got $47,000 over the last few cycles from R&H’s PAC, but he wasn’t the only one. Democratic Rep. Patrick Murphy, whose district has R&H’s facility, got $2,000 in this cycle and $1,000 in 2006, while Jack Murtha got a combined $2,000. They gave $5,000 each to the DNC and the DSCC in 2008.
Rohm & Haas made a fortune off of a small investment in politicians. That’s the power of pork. It allows Congress to put our troops at risk for 30 pieces of silver.
[Link: hotair.com...]
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So? Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:40:21am |
OT
Is there actually a Mt Arafat?
[Link: www.google.com...]
I did a Wiki search and it came up empty.
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Joan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:40:22am |
re: #45 jhrhv
I'm glad that's cleared up...I was starting to think the attack really followed the MO of the Amish. They always target Jews doing charity work and children.
/Spit
Hah. It's the Quakers, those bloodthirsty religionists...
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:41:42am |
re: #341 So?
OT
Is there actually a Mt Arafat?
[Link: www.google.com...]
I did a Wiki search and it came up empty.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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DistantThunder Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:41:50am |
re: #341 So?
OT
Is there actually a Mt Arafat?
[Link: www.google.com...]
I did a Wiki search and it came up empty.
ARarat?
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:42:25am |
re: #313 David IV of Georgia Hell for a long time I thought damn yankee was one word! LOL!
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:43:08am |
re: #317 Son of the Black Dog I wonder if Obama even knows there is one.
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Son of the Black Dog Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:43:26am |
re: #130 3 wood
I remember reading a memoir by a guy who got blown off one of the ships at the first attack, managed to swim ashore and spent the rest of the day swimming back out and dragging guys to shore to save them as fast as he could.
He lost count of how many he helped that day, nobody was worrying about that.
Many years later he went back and fond the spot on shore that he had operated from that day.
I remember reading that story also.
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So? Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:43:29am |
re: #343 Fat Jolly Penguin
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Maybe its because I typed in"Mt Arafat"
Thanks.
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:44:22am |
re: #322 rawmuse
I wouldn't call you old fashioned, I'd call you civilized.
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jaunte Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:45:43am |
Mt. Ararat is better looking:
Image: mt-ararat-500.jpg
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So? Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:45:44am |
re: #350 Pietr
Are you looking for Mt Arafat, or Mt Ararat?
I posted the article whose headline read:
Human tide of hajj pilgrims flood Mt Arafat
I've heard of Mt. Ararat, but never Mt. A-hole.
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itellu3times Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:47:22am |
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Joan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:47:59am |
re: #335 Steffan
"Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free, and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age... Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour."
They literally don't make 'em like Sir Winston any more, which is unfortunate.
And if we had such leaders, we would allow them to be stigmatized and ridiculed by the NYT, Bill Maher, John Stewart. We have no leaders, we have still got the internet. We must each be our own Churchill and learn to lead, each in our own sphere of influence.
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Pietr Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:48:25am |
re: #353 So?
I believe Mt Ararat got a mention in the Bible...LOL.
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RubyTuesday Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:48:27am |
One of my friend's family votes straight party Dem year after year, no matter who's running. They only listen to MSNBC and the alphabet stations for news. He says they have no idea of the issues, just vote knee-jerk and defend it by bashing the Republican opponent. He says they're stuck in time. I say they're dangerous.
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Steffan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:50:50am |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
Semi OT:
Iran Tests Missile During Naval Maneuver
The only good spot of this that they were testing a conventional SSM. If they were to meet us in a naval battle such a missile would not prevent their defeat, for our defense against such missiles is excellent.
It's better than that.
Iran's state radio has the habit of making announcements that are, let's be polite, exaggerations at best. Let's be impolite: It's copper-plated BS.
The mullahs are unhappy with Ahmadinnerjacket because, being an idiot, he's run the economy into the ground. What military budget they have is mostly being embezzled by the mullahs and the Revolutionary Guards commanders. Iran doesn't have the money or market access to get serious about their military, so they lie a lot.
Did you notice that the report says absolutely nothing about whether the launch was successful?
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realwest Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:55:37am |
Well all y'all - Geek Squad supposed to be here soon - they just called, so I'm gonna have to get off line now.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all - from my new computer (!) - down the road!
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Occasional Reader Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:55:38am |
re: #354 buzzsawmonkey
"Mount Arafat" is what happened when the late Yasser started cavorting with his bodyguards.
Hey, his games of "lion and hyena" only go to prove his interest in zoology.
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SurferDoc Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:57:14am |
re: #357 Joan
"Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free, and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age... Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour."
And if we had such leaders, we would allow them to be stigmatized and ridiculed by the NYT, Bill Maher, John Stewart. We have no leaders, we have still got the internet. We must each be our own Churchill and learn to lead, each in our own sphere of influence.
Yes!
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SurferDoc Sun, Dec 7, 2008 9:57:42am |
re: #361 realwest
Well all y'all - Geek Squad supposed to be here soon - they just called, so I'm gonna have to get off line now.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all - from my new computer (!) - down the road!
Good luck!
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Steffan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:00:44am |
re: #338 DistantThunder
I would like to interview people who re-elected Murtha and ask them why. Lots of scummy politicians get re-elected by democrats - even when they know they are scummy. I think it's because they are truly representative.
It's because Murtha brought an incredible amount of pork into his district, and certain government contractors looking for favors put factories into the district. The people of his district have profited big time from his being in Congress. At our expense.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:01:50am |
re: #345 realwest
Hell for a long time I thought damn yankee was one word! LOL!
It's the only cuss word I could say as a boy—even at church and no adult would even blink.
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blangwort Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:03:01am |
re: #337 Pietr
Murtha is hardly the worst of our worries. I'm concerned whether Peolsi, Reed, and Obama have the intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done. They certainly have a free hand. Even Hillary has more guts than any of those three --and that's not saying much.
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Pietr Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:09:00am |
This hatchling bids all fellow hatchlings, and Lizard Elders, a pleasant day-BBL.
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maddogg Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:09:20am |
re: #331 blangwort
I sincerely doubt that sir. We still have many heroes among us. Sadly, they seem to be lacking in the executive and congressional branches of government. There is a cure for that, however...
Please see my # 224.
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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:14:03am |
This is such a relief, I was afraid the Brazillians would be blamed for these dastardly despicable murders.
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cincinnati_kid37 Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:31:41am |
I certainly hope India makes Pakistan pay a hefty price for this.
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Honcho Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:33:04am |
What are the Sikhs doing in this mess?
Will the UN decorate the NW tribal areas in "Plain of Jars" next year?
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AuntAcid Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:35:05am |
"It’s now been conclusively proven that the surviving terrorist from the Mumbai atrocities was from Pakistan."
Lutherans no doubt. They've been known to get rowdy from time to time.
//
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Joan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:38:19am |
re: #327 RubyTuesday
I like to pretend Obama desires US security and success strongly enough to go with what works, not with what will fit the ideological doctrines
Me too, but what I SEE is a sleight-of-hand artist complete with top hat and tails. He's a facade. We'll be lucky if we ever see the machinations taking place behind the curtains.
I think you are right. The best luck I've had (thanks to a post on LGF) in deciphering Mr. POODLE has been reference to "The 48 Laws of Power" a really good read, actually and quite instructive. Now and then I post from the "Laws" when they seem to fit an action or stance of Mr. POODLE.
/All Hail HypnoToad
//"The Prince, the One, Our Dear Leader Elect"
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Joan Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:56:48am |
re: #41 Thanos
Bomb found in Indian nursing home - the Jihadi's are going to try to create more incidents in the next few days.
A nursing home. Why aren't these hyenas reviled by their co-religionists? These jihadi minions are the torturers of pregnant women, child-murderers, ghouls and carrion eaters. Why are they not reviled? I don't mean one of these lame-assed "this is not the Islam I practice" and "vulnerable Muslims decide how such crimes will be reported, if they are reported." If these monsters are truly a minority, outnumbered millions to .05 percent: why aren't they hunted down, flogged and executed by their own?
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astronmr20 Sun, Dec 7, 2008 11:03:57am |
re: #51 realwest
As for the news, I understand that Shiplord Kirel and Thanos - both of whom I admire tremendously, seem to disagree on whether or not there's been a coup in Pakistan.
From what I can glean from the TV news and from a Pakistani friend who is right now somewhere over the Atlantic on his way "home" to see his family in Lahore, Pakistan - he just texted me - the story is TRUE. General Ashfaq Kayanisent a Pakistani civilian plane to New Delhi to bring back the Paki Foreign Minister as he "no longer speaks for Pakistan" and that the US had to intervene to stop India from attacking Pakistan either yesterday or early today our time.
I've asked my friend to stay in touch but don't know enough geek to know what he can and can't send from the aircraft itself - he may have been at JFK terminal when he text-messaged me at 8:32 AM today.
Is this our taxi driver friend here in Charlotte, real?
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tradewind Sun, Dec 7, 2008 11:44:28am |
Was there ever any doubt?
Not very likely he would have self-identified as Paki otherwise, not in India...
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tradewind Sun, Dec 7, 2008 11:45:34am |
re: #365 Steffan
Murtha already blamed the Mumbai attack on US marines, right?
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Alberta Oil Peon Sun, Dec 7, 2008 12:00:26pm |
re: #65 realwest
Oh and sorry if this has been posted prior to this, but NEVER FORGET what happened this day 67 years ago, when the Japanese attacked PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii, which thrust the US into World War II.
On Fox and Friends the three idiot talking heads were all a twitter about how FDR "either did or didn't know" about the attacks ahead of time. They then showed a kinescope of FDR in the Oval Office talking on the radio to America, early in the morning of the day he gave his famous speech to Congress.
Then these three "newscasters" - with a collective age of under 100 and apparently IQ's to match said gee can you imagine how it would have been waking up and hearing and seeing that on your television that day?
THERE WAS NO TV BACK THEN you dingbats!ALWAYS REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!
In the interest of accuracy, RW:
There was in fact broadcast television by 1941, available to a small number of viewers in New York City. Whether or not they had any regular news broadcasts is not known to me, but I expect a web search would reveal the answer to that. There certainly was no national network TV news.
If the film of FDR speaking on the radio was indeed a kinescope, then he was in fact on TV. A kinescope, by definition, is a film recording of a TV broadcast, and was the only way, back in the day, that TV could be recorded, videotape not yet having been invented.
And in any case, it's not unreasonable to speculate how people might have reacted to seeing news of the Pearl Harbor attack broadcast on TV, had TV been widely-used at the time. When one uses the word "imagine", that opens the door to imagining more than one counter-factual event.
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akak Sun, Dec 7, 2008 1:55:05pm |
The fact that Jamaat-Ud-Dawa LeT terrorists & their camp have been taken over, yet they are doing the announcing proves Pakistan is in deep here & are heavily involved.
The sooner the festivites begin in this so-called "safe" allies country the better.
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Exordium Sun, Dec 7, 2008 3:08:12pm |
I wonder how this'll effect the rush to war with Iran.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 7, 2008 3:55:24pm |
re: #383 Exordium
I wonder how this'll effect the rush to war with Iran.
"Rush to war with Iran?" In what universe is that happening?
Because in this one, Iran has been getting nothing but a free pass for their nuclear ambitions for many years.
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Exordium Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:12:48pm |
re: #384 Charles
I know its hard to believe, but maybe they'd just like some nuclear power plants. I know, I know, they're Muslims, ya can't trust 'em, but maybe give them the benefit of the doubt this time. You don't always have to meddle.
Gosh though, maybe they are lying. Maybe they are slimy arab liars and they're actually developing nukes. I can't even imagine the horror of a middle eastern country with nukes coughIsraelcough
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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:14:01pm |
re: #386 Exordium
I know its hard to believe, but maybe they'd just like some nuclear power plants. I know, I know, they're Muslims, ya can't trust 'em, but maybe give them the benefit of the doubt this time. You don't always have to meddle.
Gosh though, maybe they are lying. Maybe they are slimy arab liars and they're actually developing nukes. I can't even imagine the horror of a middle eastern country with nukes coughIsraelcough
You can take your snotty attitude and idiotic opinions somewhere else.
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