Oh, good. I love mail.

Just outta curiousity, how much of this sort of mail do you get, Charles?

If its a lot, you must be doing something right! he he.

Science and religion are not at odds. How many times must that be said?

Gotta love goodmail. THese days I seem to get alot of african scammer emails. I have made up an email puppet to deal with them as well. Just as with this guy ... they are wasting their time too.

Of course, I like mail with proper grammar, and without incitement to commit suicide, better.

I never have had the impression that Charles was an atheist.

Why does he capitalize the "n" in the middle of the first sentence but he does not capitalize "s" near the end at the beginning of the sentence. That's not what I was taught in school!

re: #5 Noam Sayin'

Of course, I like mail with proper grammar, and without incitement to commit suicide, better.

Yeah, I wonder why all of these nutjobs are grammar-challenged. This guy doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're."

If you can’t handle living in a world where most people accept a Creator then why don’t you just end it all then?

I think that's one of the most un-Christian things I've ever seen.

Your the one that believes in fantasies.

re: #5 Noam Sayin'

Of course, I like mail with proper grammar, and without incitement to commit suicide, better.

Me too

Your the one that believes in fantasies.

Your the one that believes in fantasies.

Your should be You're. That drives me nuts.

a bowl of “magic” organic soup

Sounds like the name of a hippy restaurant, which might be rather tasty. Wonder what that "magic" would be? hmm?

re: #9 buzzsawmonkey

*snicker snicker*
I'm one to talk--I realized I just dropped an apostrophe in my question to Charles. Oops.

Life, he hasn't got one.

Aieee!
I seem to have missed the part where Jesus told those who disagreed w/Him to kill themselves.

Just where in the Word of God is that, Tennessee guy?

You. Are. A. Disgrace.

Ok, so who made the bowl to hold the magic soup?

The Spinning Dots of Death are doing something new. They go around halfway, lock up, then spit new comments.

Why do non-LGFer's give a shit what Charles thinks/believes/says?

Have a friend, huge atheist. Really started to get pissed at me lately, I've started to call him a "Dawkinist". Spends more time studying Dawkins than most ministers study scripture.

As an atheist myself I find it beyond odd this guy suggests an atheist said anything about a "magic" soup. Last time I checked atheists didn't believe in magic.

My paternal grandmother was like that. Anyone who didn't precise toe her specific line of Christian (?) "religion" was damned to Hell.

Dearest Reader in Cleveland, Tennessee:
I am a Christian, and what might be called a "Big Bang creationist".
In words well suited to your level of understanding, please FOAD!
(signed,)
pre-Boomer Marine brat

I finished off the last bit of the magical, organic soup last night. Actually, it was more like stew. Either way, it was magical, transforming a left-over turkey carcass into a big pot of awesome.

Your the one

I hate grammatically incorrect hate mail.

What a moron to suggest someone kill themself over something so silly. I must nit-pick however. I didn't see anywhere in this mail a claim to be Christian. The only implications in the mail were that they were in the mority that believes in a creator, and that they didn't accept atheism. This could have been a Muslim, agnostic, Hindu, or anything. If it was a Muslim, the suggestion of sucide would make more sense.

I also thought the magic soup bit was cute.

The bizarre thing about this email is they make it out to sound like Charles was just in Cleveland, TN preaching about darwinism.
Last time I checked, the internet didn't automatically open to LGF.
You don't like it, don't read it.
Duh.

This person makes me embarrassed to consider myself a Christian. I can't think of anything more opposed to our faith than to tell someone to end their life. That's not loving, or compassionate, or forgiving. It's evil. This person is a hypocrite.

re: #23 opinionated

I hate grammatically incorrect hate mail.

You could eliminate the last 1 or 2 words in that sentence, and I'd still agree!
;)

re: #16 jaunte

Ok, so who made the bowl to hold the magic soup?

LOL! It's sitting on the back of the turtle that's holding up the universe, of course! It's bowls and turtles all the way down...

re: #24 Jay777

It's a pretty safe assumption this was from a christian.

Oh boy, we get to quote "Plan 9" again.

"You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!"

re: #23 opinionated

I hate grammatically incorrect hate mail.

I don't see much grammatically correct hate mail though. Those folks tend to have a lot less time on their hands.

Oh noes! I liv in a wurld fulla peeps dat axsepts a Cratur. I must hung maiselfs nao!

/lolcat

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

Everyday I stir the soup
Oh, the magic soup
The organic soup that produces you
Oh, the magic soup

--the [great cosmic] Who

Don't try to make humor in a thread where we're stewing over something.

re: #25 Sizzlack

Last time I checked, the internet didn't automatically open to LGF.

Mine does!

re: #29 Killgore Trout

It's a pretty safe assumption this was from a christian.

Not a real one.

Nothing says it clearer than being unable to distinguish between a possessive pronoun "your" and a contraction for second person conjugation for the verb "to be" ie "you're."

You're is not your.

"Your not going to convince us," Should read "You're not going to convince us."

But you will convince us of nothing with third grade grammar problems.

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Yet, an assumption it is. It very well could be an agnostic, a Jew, or a Muslim.

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don't try to make humor in a thread where we're stewing over something.

That would be easy as pie. We will stop.

re: #35 Crimsonfisted

Mine does!

I suppose I should have included *unless of course you set it to open to LGF : )

re: #25 Sizzlack

The bizarre thing about this email is they make it out to sound like Charles was just in Cleveland, TN preaching about darwinism.
Last time I checked, the internet didn't automatically open to LGF.
You don't like it, don't read it.
Duh.

How else would he work up some self-righteous indignation?

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don't try to make humor in a thread where we're stewing over something.

...or he'll roux it.

re: #29 Killgore Trout

It's a pretty safe assumption this was from a christian.

re: #36 MandyManners

Not a real one.

We can be sure the writer is no true scotsman.

re: #38 Jay777

Yet, an assumption it is. It very well could be an agnostic, a Jew, or a Muslim.

They didn't threaten to cut off his head, so that eliminates one of them.

re: #36 MandyManners

Not a real one.

But in his/her thinking, he/she is the ONLY real one (probably for hundreds of miles around.)

/self-righteous without a doubt

Where can I get a bowl of magic organic soup?

Is it certified organic?

_{I've not been feeling all that well the last few days...}

re: #39 Crimsonfisted

That would be easy as pie. We will stop.

Don't egg him on.

Wonder if this guy is showing his "basement buddies" that we're talking about him right now.

Hope so.

"Hey guys! Your friend is a moron. Dump him! Dump him now! Just walk up the stairs, and out of his mothers front door. Get in your cars and never speak to him again. He will make your life less happy and productive. REALLY, GO NOW!"

re: #43 gmsc

Yer kilting me.

Genocide, slavery, oppression, starvation, families breaking up and kids doing drugs, wall street coming unglued, Democrat pirates in government. I save my hate for the bad actors in those dramas - not for the "soup people" - whatever that is.

re: #16 jaunte

Ok, so who made the bowl to hold the magic soup?

Pyrex. I've heard many times they were heaven-sent.

I think the Internet has taken all the excitement out of hate mail.

Some years ago I refused to meet someone. Soon after a strangely addressed brown envelope arrived and the contents were published by pasted letters cut out of various publications. Like in a kidnapping note.

Now that took time and effort.

Today any jerk can fire off a grammatically incorrect e-mail and the best they can add is some sad emoticons.

re: #38 Jay777

Yet, an assumption it is. It very well could be an agnostic, a Jew, or a Muslim.

Oh please. An agnostic? You're kidding, right?

For what it's worth, this creep has sent hate mail before, and he definitely thinks of himself as a Christian.

re: #42 goddessoftheclassroom

...or he'll roux it.

I'm glad you broth that out.

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wonder if this guy is showing his "basement buddies" that we're talking about him right now.

Hope so.

"Hey guys! Your friend is a moron. Dump him! Dump him now! Just walk up the stairs, and out of his mothers front door. Get in your cars and never speak to him again. He will make your life less happy and productive. REALLY, GO NOW!"

And, take all his Mountain Dew with you.

re: #24 Jay777

What a moron to suggest someone kill themself over something so silly. I must nit-pick however. I didn't see anywhere in this mail a claim to be Christian. The only implications in the mail were that they were in the mority that believes in a creator, and that they didn't accept atheism. This could have been a Muslim, agnostic, Hindu, or anything. If it was a Muslim, the suggestion of sucide would make more sense.

I also thought the magic soup bit was cute.

Good point...like "go explode yourself." Adds that touch of diversity.

Charles, didn't you know that G-d loves it when you commit suicide? Obviously the writer of the email equates questioning whatever his view of creation is with atheism. (And he has selectively read the Bible, assuming he can read.) Questions or asking for answers don't necessitate lack of faith.

LGF is not anti-Creation or pro-Evolution—it is pro-science and pro-fact. Illogical and malformed creationist arguments don't work any better here than bad arguments for evolution work in Piltdown. Get your facts together. Do your research. Come up with coherent and concise points of contention and then you will be treated seriously.

re: #53 Charles

Oh please. An agnostic? You're kidding, right?

For what it's worth, this creep has sent hate mail before, and he definitely thinks of himself as a Christian.

Is he from the Legion of the Banned?

Kinda curious if he's someone we know.

I find it slightly ironic that our good "Christian" correspondent from Cleveland, TN lives not awful far from Dayton (of Scopes "monkey" trial infamy)...as a fellow Tennessean, I'd love to excommunicate him from the state, because his email made me dumber for reading it.

re: #43 gmsc

We can be sure the writer is no true scotsman.

Not gonna' touch the kilt issue.

re: #45 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But in his/her thinking, he/she is the ONLY real one (probably for hundreds of miles around.)

/self-righteous without a doubt

He should get off the Internet and look in the mirror.

re: #3 Crimsonfisted

Science and religion are not at odds. How many times must that be said?

Infinite. It's the cognitive dissonance. You could educate them in every concept they misunderstand, even to the point where they tacitly agree - and the next day, or next week, they would start all over again like you never talked.

re: #52 opinionated

I think the Internet has taken all the excitement out of hate mail.

Some years ago I refused to meet someone. Soon after a strangely addressed brown envelope arrived and the contents were published by pasted letters cut out of various publications. Like in a kidnapping note.

Now that took time and effort.

Today any jerk can fire off a grammatically incorrect e-mail and the best they can add is some sad emoticons.

LOL - I hope, unlike a liberal, you did not feel motivated to then meet with them, since you are obviously the one that made them angry.

re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm glad you broth that out.

I rivel in puns.

re: #59 Spiny Norman

Is he from the Legion of the Banned?

Kinda curious if he's someone we know.

This one doesn't seem to have had an LGF account, unless he's clever enough to hide it. And judging from the email, that's doubtful.

re: #60 talon_262

I find it slightly ironic that our good "Christian" correspondent from Cleveland, TN lives not awful far from Dayton (of Scopes "monkey" trial infamy)...as a fellow Tennessean, I'd love to excommunicate him from the state, because his email made me dumber for reading it.

He probably cheers for Alabama.

I boiled down all the puns and no one has topped "roux" yet.

The e-mail just made me very hungry for a bowl of mock turtle soup. Very delicous, like grandma used to make. It's mock turtles all the way down! Mock turtles, I tells ya.

re: #59 Spiny Norman

Is he from the Legion of the Banned?

Kinda curious if he's someone we know.

I thought it was a joke...other than the point about the Muslim who could have only been another "inflamed moderate" - which for some reason reminds me of hemorrhoids.

I don't know how this eejit goes from Charles's interest in the creationism/ID issue to the positive assertion that he's an atheist. From everything I've read by you, Charles, I could not say for sure what you believe in re religion. And that's how it ought to be, if one doesn't want to hang one's beliefs out for show. Who is this fool to judge something he knows nothing about?

What the IDers fail over and over to understand is how evolution and faith can be perfectly compatible. Witness the position of the Vatican. Judaism has always interpreted (Mishna) and debated (Talmud) every word of every sentence in the Tanakh, from the literal laws to the poetic Lieder. What is it about that that these folks don't get?

I'm off.

I recommend a reading of Tennyson's long poem on evolution. I think it was In Memoriam AHH - not sure - I don't like Tennyson.

But he did enquire,

Are God and nature then at strife,
That nature sends such evil dreams?

re: #53 Charles

Thank you for clarifying Charles. I wasn't kidding about agnostic though. I'm agnostic and believe in both, a creator and evolution.

I hope my comment wasn't taken to be an accusation of you making an assumption. I just saw the comments taking off with things I saw no evidence for. I appreciate you clarifying. I rarely comment anywhere cuz I put my foot in my mouth too much.

re: #61 MandyManners

Not gonna' touch the kilt issue.

Indeed not. I did and got hit by Stinky's bat.

re: #68 SurferDoc

I boiled down all the puns and no one has topped "roux" yet.

Oh, thank you!

Perhaps another Christian can help me, because I am really at a loss.

I thought Jesus wanted us to love each other, have compassion for each other, to turn the other cheek, and to be forgiving.

No where in the gospels do I recall Jesus telling anyone to kill themselves, or telling His followers they could do so.

Am I missing something?

re: #62 MandyManners

He should get off the Internet and look in the mirror.

Might find a log of wood.

I don't understand why people get so heated. On both sides of the argument.

re: #68 SurferDoc

Chowderhead.

re: #76 Sharmuta

Perhaps another Christian can help me, because I am really at a loss.

I thought Jesus wanted us to love each other, have compassion for each other, to turn the other cheek, and to be forgiving.

No where in the gospels do I recall Jesus telling anyone to kill themselves, or telling His followers they could do so.

Am I missing something?

No

I wasn't kidding about agnostic though. I'm agnostic and believe in both, a creator and evolution.

You do know the definition of agnostic, right?

re: #28 Amy

LOL! It's sitting on the back of the turtle that's holding up the universe, of course! It's bowls and turtles all the way down...

Blimey - are ye sying that the turtles have their feet in bowls of magic soup, all the way down?
Isn't that uncomfortable for the turtles?

What happens if one eats the magic soup?

re: #62 MandyManners

... look in the mirror.

When they do, his type typically sees either (1) a halo, or (2) horns. The capital-H Hyper-religiosity is sometimes a facade, presented to the world to hide what the dissembler already knows to be true.

re: #61 MandyManners

Not gonna' touch the kilt issue.

Don't raise the kilt issue unless you wish to find out what a dirk is about.

re: #78 NYCHardhat

I don't understand why people get so heated. On both sides of the argument.

Many are baste on ignorance.

re: #16 jaunte

Ok, so who made the bowl to hold the magic soup?

Turtle soup?

There's a myriad of tiny groups of people who hate out there, the only commonality that they have is typically they hate most when show how reality conflicts with their firmly held beliefs.

I just got out of church and failed to hear the part about God having a self inflected bullet with my name on it.

Maybe that will be in next weeks sermon.

re: #76 Sharmuta

Perhaps another Christian can help me, because I am really at a loss.

I thought Jesus wanted us to love each other, have compassion for each other, to turn the other cheek, and to be forgiving.

No where in the gospels do I recall Jesus telling anyone to kill themselves, or telling His followers they could do so.

Am I missing something?

No, you have it right. Jesus talked the talk and walked the walk of forgiveness and directed his followers to pray for those who "reviled" them.

yeah... just DEAL with Christians trying to push their agenda on taxpayer funded schools.

You think people would have better shit to do.

re: #65 goddessoftheclassroom

I rivel in puns.

The rivelut will soon become a flood.

re: #77 A Kiwi Infidel

Might find a log of wood.

Or, a beam in his eye.

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chowderhead.

No roux for you!

re: #76 Sharmuta

No Shar. You can try to understand these guys, but really; don't expect to.

I like loving people, some people enjoy the idea of some people going to heck or whatever.

That's hate mail? Gosh, aren't I the ignorant rube!

OT: The La La Christmas Song

I like to sit out on the pier
And look across the bay
I don’t think about a thing
And feel a million miles away
Like I’m floating from the sky
Like a storm of falling snow
Then I’m spinning through the trees
Then I’m shining in the road
For the people in the light
And all the children in the light
Singing holy holy night

re: #90 goddessoftheclassroom

No, you have it right. Jesus talked the talk and walked the walk of forgiveness and directed his followers to pray for those who "reviled" them.

Except cats, of course.

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

...Sockpuppets were draped by computers with care
With hopes a creation thread soon would be there...

Too funny...

re: #64 DistantThunder

LOL - I hope, unlike a liberal, you did not feel motivated to then meet with them, since you are obviously the one that made them angry.

If I were dumb enough to be a Liberal I would have met with the person initially.

FWIW, Cleveland is just a short drive from Dayton, Tennessee, home of the Scopes Monkey Trial.

re: #76 Sharmuta

Perhaps another Christian can help me, because I am really at a loss.

I thought Jesus wanted us to love each other, have compassion for each other, to turn the other cheek, and to be forgiving.

No where in the gospels do I recall Jesus telling anyone to kill themselves, or telling His followers they could do so.

Am I missing something?

Jesus did rip into the Pharesis pretty good for hypocrisy. He was particularly perturbed with hypocrites leading people away from God. Other than that, he was into forgiveness, mercy, graciousness, and eating with "sinners" instead of shunning them. if this guy was following Christ's model he would have invited Charles to dinner to listen and understand Charles perspective. They would probably agree to disagree and part as friends respectfully.

That's my understanding of Christ-like behavior.

Then from my hard drive there arouse such clatter
I logged on to LGF to see What was the matter...

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

...Sockpuppets were draped by computers with care
With hopes a creation thread soon would be there...

*rimshot*

/setting the bottle of steak sauce beside the keyboard

You know what it is, the contempt that each side has for each other causes such tension and animosity.

re: #93 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The rivelut will soon become a flood.

arg! a not good weigh to cleave the sea is to dream of gold and fleas.

re: #100 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Except cats, of course.

...and the fig tree.

re: #104 DistantThunder

Like Jesus- hypocrites bother me too. And the author of this email is a hypocrite.

re: #71 Cato the Elder

They don't get that its actually not just ok but pretty damn good to use one's brains and think for oneself.
They prefer that someone tells them what to think, and thus allow them to go and browbeat all others.
Its a mindset not that far removed from the one we encounter in the finger-wagging proponents of the ROP.

I'm curious. Where exactly is it written that if you believe in evolution and/or question creationism you cannot believe in religion or be religious? Yet, that's precisely what so many of the anti-Charles hate-e-mails posit.

re: #107 NYCHardhat

You know what it is, the contempt that each side has for each other causes such tension and animosity.

Except there are plenty of people of faith who accept evolution.

re: #100 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Except cats, of course.

Funny enough, I can't think of a single reference to cats in the entire Bible; I know there are a few to dogs (don't say it, p-BMb!). Does anyone know of any cat references?

I find that interesting because of the Egyptians reverence for cats but no mention of that in Exodus.

"If you want to believe that, that again is YOUR PROBLEM. so stop trying to make it OUR PROBLEM."

LGF threads on creationism/evolution: like floodlights to june bugs.

re: #84 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When they do, his type typically sees either (1) a halo, or (2) horns. The capital-H Hyper-religiosity is sometimes a facade, presented to the world to hide what the dissembler already knows to be true.

If a Christian isn't clear on the doctrine that Christ paid for everyone's sin's, he can become fixated on the sins of others as a personal threat to him. It's a type of scapegoat mentality: Not wanting the village to burn or the crop to fail - they look for a scapegoat.

Also focusing excessively on the mote in the eye of another distracts him from the beam in his own eye.

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

Funny enough, I can't think of a single reference to cats in the entire Bible; I know there are a few to dogs (don't say it, p-BMb!). Does anyone know of any cat references?

I find that interesting because of the Egyptians reverence for cats but no mention of that in Exodus.

There are big cats, of course. Daniel was thrown to the big puddy-tats.

re: #108 Thanos

arg! a not good weigh to cleave the sea is to dream of gold and fleas.

LOL!
I'm now sprawled on the floor!
Guess I asked for it!

re: #112 lawhawk

I'm curious. Where exactly is it written that if you believe in evolution and/or question creationism you cannot believe in religion or be religious? Yet, that's precisely what so many of the anti-Charles hate-e-mails posit.

This viewpoint is very explicitly taught by groups like Dobson's Focus on the Family, Pat Robertson's gang, Pentecostals, Dominionists, etc.

re: #113 Sharmuta

Except there are plenty of people of faith who accept evolution.

You speak the truth my saudi princess.

God has a heart.

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

Funny enough, I can't think of a single reference to cats in the entire Bible; I know there are a few to dogs (don't say it, p-BMb!). Does anyone know of any cat references?

I find that interesting because of the Egyptians reverence for cats but no mention of that in Exodus.

Lions yes...Leopards, yes, but no *cats* per se.

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

...Sockpuppets were draped by computers with care
With hopes a creation thread soon would be there...

My favorite version is one that was input into a computer (late '70s/early '80s) that was programmed to break English words down into their respective phonetic sounds. The phonetic sounds were then put into another computer program that reassembled them into words.

The result is a poem that sounds like the classic "A Visit from St. Nicholas", but doesn't use the same words. For example, "'Twas the night before Christmas" becomes, "Tweeze denied beef worker isthmus".

Enjoy:

Tweeze denied beef worker isthmus, winnow Trudy how’s,
Knot agreed juries during, gnaw Tiffany moss.
This talking swear unbided Gemini wit cairn
Hint opus scenic (alas!) sinewy dare.
Unjelled runner nozzle tools smuggling deer butts
Well fissions unshoe kerplunks thence endear huts.
Anemometer cur chiffon dyeing mayhap,
Adjust subtle warp reins fairy loin winger snap.
Winnow taunted launderer roast sachet glitter
Ice brine bromide bet deucey woodwinds schemata.*
Await Tudor widower blue lacking flesh,
Door roping tier shatters untrue hump these ash.
Demonian depressed often knew felines know
Gaffe cholesterol metier due abjects elope.
Wane wood tummy wandering ice shittah pear,
Vital men etchers lay mandate tidy Rainier.
Whittle it whole dolt river salival equipt,
Sinewy mom aunt isthmus bee-stain nicked.
Mere rabbit-torn evils whose gorses became
Any weaseled end shuttered, uncool tomboy maim.
“Node azure! No Dunce era! No France urine fixing!
Uncommit! And cubit! Andante ran vexing!
Toady tipoff deport chew detypify well!
Gnaw dish aweigh, dish aweigh, dish aweigh awl!”
Asked relieves dot beef forty whiled hurry queen fry,
Wind emit wooden apse stickle, mountie-desk eye,
Sew-up two-deep how stop duck horsers dubloon,
Witty slave fallow toils, ascend nickel loss due.
Ant tending at weakling - why hurt honor roof?
A brain sinning Boeing effete shiney huff.
Aside ruin mayhap untwist darning neuron
Bounding gym knee-scent knick (alas!) game winning pound.
Iwis tressed woolen furze promise etuis food,
Anus closed whorled varnished wood asses in suits.
Abound olived oils (egad!) flunk honor speck,
Any luck lockup addler chest (hope?) nimbus peck.
Assai Saudi twin calloused temples amore!
Exchequer lachryosis, whizz snows locket jury.
Estrual litter mouse wash thrown applique beau,
Amdahl biered honest Genesis weight hostess know.
Distempered ape pie pea yelled tiding is steed,
Undies mocha answer cul de sac lackey reed.
Egad! Abroad fastener litter hound bully
Achoo! quaintly left, lacking bull feeling jolly.
Iwis champion blimp — arrayed chilly wool delve,
Any left whinney sow hymn, enspied off Moselle.
An oink office sigh unto whist office hood
Swoon gamey tonneau ahead knitting two tread.
Ease poke naught award, Beduoin strayed duets orc,
Infield eldest tuggings; interned witty chert,
End lioness fanger a sight office gnus,
Ant gibbon unknot, upon chimpanzee rows.
Hasp Rangoon is lay, due esteem guava wistful,
Ending weight day elf loo, lacking town ova tassle;
Buddy herding explain air hedge rowboat design,
“Hopping rich musty woolen due awl incondite!”

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

Funny enough, I can't think of a single reference to cats in the entire Bible; I know there are a few to dogs (don't say it, p-BMb!). Does anyone know of any cat references?

I find that interesting because of the Egyptians reverence for cats but no mention of that in Exodus.

Gosh! I hope you're not feline poorly over that.

re: #76 Sharmuta

Perhaps another Christian can help me, because I am really at a loss.

I thought Jesus wanted us to love each other, have compassion for each other, to turn the other cheek, and to be forgiving.

No where in the gospels do I recall Jesus telling anyone to kill themselves, or telling His followers they could do so.

Am I missing something?

Nope - ye're not.
But doing what Jesus tells us to do is so much more difficult than just shouting and behaving exactly like the ones who persecuted Jesus.
There's nothing new under the sun, as far as human behaviour is concerned.

Peter the Apostle's disciple Clement noted that many of the people who hated Christians did so because of how Christians behaved and what they said. You'd think that nearly 2,000 years later that that problem would have been rectified.

re: #124 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gosh! I hope you're not feline poorly over that.

I think she was kitten around.

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

Topical Index: Animals
No cats.

re: #116 DistantThunder

... from the beam in his own ...

Yes. A narcotic.

re: #116 DistantThunder

If a Christian isn't clear on the doctrine that Christ paid for everyone's sin's, he can become fixated on the sins of others as a personal threat to him. It's a type of scapegoat mentality: Not wanting the village to burn or the crop to fail - they look for a scapegoat.

Also focusing excessively on the mote in the eye of another distracts him from the beam in his own eye.

That's just it though- they think their faith falls apart if Genesis is not literal because of original sin. They seem to think mankind has to be tied to the concept of original sin in order to need reconciliation to God. Without their original sin, Jesus wasn't needed.

The battle between good and evil

Claws that might make her mad.

re: #13 davinvalkri

I answered your comment on the last thread, you might get a chuckle out of it..

re: #124 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gosh! I hope you're not feline poorly over that.

You just couldn't help yourself. could you?

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

Funny enough, I can't think of a single reference to cats in the entire Bible; I know there are a few to dogs (don't say it, p-BMb!). Does anyone know of any cat references?

I find that interesting because of the Egyptians reverence for cats but no mention of that in Exodus.

Daniel in the lion's den?

re: #109 SurferDoc

...and the fig tree.

Wither are you going with that?

re: #135 gmsc

Daniel in the lion's den?

I was thinking of domestic cats, not "big" cats.

re: #110 Sharmuta

And an a**hole, and a moron, and...I'll stop before it takes up half the pate.

Aww - my pocket house wolf wants out!

Seeya tomorrow, Lizards and Lizardesses - nd keep laughing!

re: #117 A Kiwi Infidel

There are big cats, of course. Daniel was thrown to the big puddy-tats.

I never believed a line of that story.

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

Funny enough, I can't think of a single reference to cats in the entire Bible; I know there are a few to dogs (don't say it, p-BMb!). Does anyone know of any cat references?

I find that interesting because of the Egyptians reverence for cats but no mention of that in Exodus.

Are cats for true christians?

Is it appropriate for a Christian to own a cat, in light of their past pagan religious affiliation and the medical information that is now coming to light?

re: #94 MandyManners

Or, a beam in his eye.

More like a beam upside the head.

Oh, and I hope he had a lot of money riding on Bama.

re: #98 LarryG

Huh?

Good afternoon Lizards. Hope everyone is having an exceptional Sunday.

Maybe this miscreant should go live in Romania and help them stagnate their educational system. He can help them commit defense industry suicide.

re: #138 davinvalkri

And an a**hole, and a moron, and...I'll stop before it takes up half the pate.

you forgot chopped liver

re: #142 Charles

What the hell?! That sounds like one of those Islamic advice sites where people ask what we can learn from someone who died on the toilet! Holy *** the corruption is worse than we thought! AAHHH!

re: #127 DistantThunder

I think she was kitten around.

I hope so, 'claws the alternative would be painful

re: #142 Charles

Oh, for pity's sake! That is one of the most moronic things I've read in a long, long time.

re: #146 pink freud

Oops. Page. PREVIEW!

re: #142 Charles

Lolcat of Satan

re: #132 DistantThunder

Claws that might make her mad.

oops, you beat me to it!

re: #134 goddessoftheclassroom

You just couldn't help yourself. could you?

MOI?

re: #130 Sharmuta

That's just it though- they think their faith falls apart if Genesis is not literal because of original sin. They seem to think mankind has to be tied to the concept of original sin in order to need reconciliation to God. Without their original sin, Jesus wasn't needed.

It makes them a judge, and if you believe Christ is the judge, then you don't have to judge other than when it is your right to judge - like parents with children. Yeah, we don't believe in original sin either - which is another reason the evangelicals have a problem with us LDS. But we figure the day to day sin is enough reason to accept the atonement as a vehicle for reconcilliation.

Speaking of which I caught a few minutes of Chrstianne Ammanpours doummentary on genocide: Scream Bloody Murder. They interviewed a woman who not only forgave her Hutu neighbor, people she thought were friends, from slaughtering her husband and 5 children - but to the shock of Christianne was serving food to this guy at her home, after he had spent several years in prison. When she was asked how she could forgive him and serve him food and eat along side him, she, a Christian, said it was about forgiveness and reconcilliation. It was so touching. I was humbled and inspired.

re: #71 Cato the Elder

I don't know how this eejit goes from Charles's interest in the creationism/ID issue to the positive assertion that he's an atheist.

The same way leftards go from "affirmative action is a bad idea" to "You Hate Minorities!" Extremists on all sides believe anyone who disagrees with them is not merely seeing things differently, or even honestly wrong. The only reason people might have for disagreeing with Revealed Truth is that they are stupid or evil.

re: #137 goddessoftheclassroom

I was thinking of domestic cats, not "big" cats.

Dogs think, "You know, I've really got it made here. I have a master who feeds me, cleans up my litter and provides me with a nice comfortable home. My master must be a god."

Cats think, "I've got it pretty good myself. I have a master who feeds me, cleans up my litter and provides me with a nice comfortable home. You know, I must be a god!"

...and I seem to remember a rule somewhere about having other gods...

re: #142 Charles

Are cats for true christians?/blockquote>

Oh, golly.
I have 4 cats. Plus a few that hang out near our cats' food bowls.

I guess I am doomed, given that cats are unfit for a Christian household:

Additionally, cats practice many unclean habits not befitting a Christian household: coughing up fur balls, licking inappropriate body areas on their own bodies (inappropriate handling) and even, in some cases, on the bodies of their human owners (wrongful motive?), urination on the floor, vocal and blatant promiscuity (unknown to any other species, all others being endowed with Godly chastity and decorum) and widespread sexual misconduct without the benefit or sanctity of holy matrimony, even orgiastic practices, substance abuse of catnip (an intoxicating herb) which produces conditions akin to drunkenness, stealing food from the table, producing ungodly sounds, excessive playfulness and the employment of devices not known to have been used by Jesus, the conducting of its unholy business under the cover of the darkness of night, and so on. What sort of example does this give our young ones endeavoring to faithfully serve Jehovah? The Bible clearly shows that 'neither fornicators .. nor thieves .. nor drunkards .. nor revilers .. will inherit the Kingdom.

re: #142 Charles

Oh. My. God.

If the scriptural and deity references were omitted, I'd swear that was written by an Islamist.

re: #142 Charles

There is some wild stuff out there.

"Clearly, the Bible - by using this kind of terminology - shows beyond any reasonable doubt that the basic nature of cats, while created perfect by God, has become evil or 'beastlike' since the fall of Adam six thousand years ago, and more probably, since the Great Flood of Noah's time (c2350 B.C.E.). This is a development of the condition borne by the 'Original Serpent', the 'Great Dragon' Lucifer himself. (Gen. 3:1) Indeed, modern studies of classification of cats, while not necessarily being reliable as they may be based on the discredited 'theory' of evolution, strongly associate felines with serpents (despite some external differences in physiology and morphology, which confuse those who do not study these matters deeply)."

?

...Are you trying to tell me Jesus Christ couldn't hit a curveball? Eddie Harris in Major League

re: #142 Charles

To invite cats in our house is to toy with disaster. Can one deny that the chance exists that the same grave consequences could visit your home that fell upon John? Clearly, God disapproved of this 'birthday' party. Should we not then disapprove (without showing any malicious intent, only Godly hatred) of cats the way the scriptures recommend?

Lol!

re: #151 Thanos

Lolcat of Satan

One of my many favorites...

re: #158 goddessoftheclassroomI was thinking the same thing.

re: #142 Charles

That's just plain fruit loop nutty - something I've never heard before. Now toxoplasmosis which pregnant women can get from cleaning the litter box, and it's deleterious effects on unborn children - I do know about.

re: #157 reine.de.tout

Sheesh. It reads like parody.

Re:#161
"Godly hatred"

re: #157 reine.de.tout

I quit reading that link. Does it really say that?

re: #130 Sharmuta

That's just it though- they think their faith falls apart if Genesis is not literal because of original sin. They seem to think mankind has to be tied to the concept of original sin in order to need reconciliation to God. Without their original sin, Jesus wasn't needed.

For nearly the first four hundred years of Christianity, there was no doctrine of Original Sin. In the churches that do not owe their existence to Rome, there is still no doctrine of Original Sin as the Roman Catholics teach it. It is the product of the Latin church.

I'll refrain from linking to the Lolcat Bible...

re: #156 gmsc

Dogs think, "You know, I've really got it made here. I have a master who feeds me, cleans up my litter and provides me with a nice comfortable home. My master must be a god."

Cats think, "I've got it pretty good myself. I have a master who feeds me, cleans up my litter and provides me with a nice comfortable home. You know, I must be a god!"

...and I seem to remember a rule somewhere about having other gods...

lol - how true is that!

The right needs a neo-rationalist movement. It should start here.

I am tired of moralists on both sides of the spectrum. Morality is important as is faith, which is why the state should protect the free exercise thereof. The state should not, on the other hand, try to "purify" its population by having "blue laws" or teaching belief systems as science. The obsessive moralists on the left and right are unreliable allies in elections anyway - one Republican sex scandal will get the right's moralists to stay home while one Democrat PC slip up, even in humor, will get the left's moralists to stay home.

Wasn't Walter a JW at one time? I wish he were here to explain that.

re: #142 Charles

"... a loyal dedicated servant of God should use his Bible-trained conscience to arrive at a proper understanding of why ..."

That reeks of what's called "proof-texting" -- selective-quoting Scripture to "prove" whatever one wants to believe.

*spit*

(and thanks for giving me ammo to use against goddess! ... (-: ...)

re: #162 goddessoftheclassroom

Basement Cat summons his legions…

re: #164 DistantThunder

You do also know that cats steal the breath of infants, don't you?

re: #154 DistantThunder

They interviewed a woman who not only forgave her Hutu neighbor, people she thought were friends, from slaughtering her husband and 5 children - but to the shock of Christianne was serving food to this guy at her home, after he had spent several years in prison. When she was asked how she could forgive him and serve him food and eat along side him, she, a Christian, said it was about forgiveness and reconcilliation. It was so touching. I was humbled and inspired.

I hope Christianne learned something.

re: #169 Thanos

A symbol of the thread...

To my knowledge, the ONLY medical issue people have with cats is that pregnant women should not clean litter boxes.

Do those nuts believe cats smother babies, too?

re: #151 Thanos

Lolcat of Satan

I knew a punk girl in high school, and one of her favorite phrases was, "It's a Saaatan Kitty."

To this day, I don't understand the drawing out of the first syllable of "Satan". It seemed to make it funny, though.

re: #160 NYCHardhat

...Are you trying to tell me Jesus Christ couldn't hit a curveball? Eddie Harris in Major League

Not sure, but even God can't hit a1 iron. - Lee Travino

re: #142 Charles

Need a "Stone the 'nfaifful munkee" Lolcat

re: #180 ConservativeAtheist

Not sure, but even God can't hit a1 iron. - Lee Travino

1 irons are sooo useless.

re: #112 lawhawk

I'm curious. Where exactly is it written that if you believe in evolution and/or question creationism you cannot believe in religion or be religious? Yet, that's precisely what so many of the anti-Charles hate-e-mails posit.

There seems to be a large population of Believers who believe in a god so ineffectual he can't design a universe with laws that will produce life. Instead, they postulate a small, low-powered god who cobbles together critters one at a time. This seems to be as powerful a god as they can understand.

re: #179 gmsc

I knew a punk girl in high school, and one of her favorite phrases was, "It's a Saaatan Kitty."

To this day, I don't understand the drawing out of the first syllable of "Satan". It seemed to make it funny, though.

Probably a reference to SNL's church lady

re: #179 gmsc

It's a relic of the Dana Carvey Church lady speak on SNL I think, my daughter named her cat Chaos and used to say the same thing...

re: #158 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh. My. God.

If the scriptural and deity references were omitted, I'd swear that was written by an Islamist.

It's not surprising. Hyper-self-sanctified-religiosity is a human condition, not limited to any particular set of beliefs.

/"self-sanctified" was used very deliberately

This one creeps even ME out!

Hmmm. Yesterday's creationist troll-du-jour was from Smyrna, TN.

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Basement Cat summons his legions…

NOW you're in for it!

re: #172 MandyManners

Wasn't Walter a JW at one time? I wish he were here to explain that.

Explain what? My ex-wife was and still is a JW...she rediscovered them after two years of marriage.

re: #142 Charles

The Egyptian ("Coptic") church did formally forbid its members from keeping their relatives' mummies leaned up in the corners of houses. They had the nerve to insist they be buried.

re: #184 CynicalConservative

Probably a reference to SNL's church lady

I doubt it. She and I both graduated high school before Dana Carvey ever joined SNL.

re: #176 swamprat

I hope Christianne learned something.

Chritianna learned first hand how corrupt the UN is and was. Interviewing the leader of the UN troops in Rwanda, she learned that he was ordered to pull out, and he refused. He, an american, could already see the genocide. He disobeyed a direct order and continued to do whatever he could to help people.

However, it totally messed him up psychologically - he blames himself for not doing enough. He went to therapy - takes medication - and considered suicide.

Those UN b@astards don't have any problem sleeping at night.

re: #189 pre-Boomer Marine brat

NOW you're in for it!

I'm on it..

Detroit lost again.
Bombers were from Pakistan.
Charles gets hate mail.

Gosh, what else?
Dogs and Cats living together?

re: #142 Charles

Talk about cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs...I consider myself a lapsed Methodist, but a Christian nonetheless, and this talk about cats not being suitable pets for "true" Christians is absolute crazy talk.

I'm just guessing from the wording that the author of that webpage is a Jehovah's Witness...I could be wrong though.

re: #177 goddessoftheclassroom

A symbol of the thread...

ROFLMAO!

re: #157 reine.de.tout

Funny, that very same bit you quoted also jumped out at me.

Four cats, you say? Surely, eternal damnation will be your just reward for giving aid and comfort to such fornicators, thieves, drunkards and revilers. Repent now, and cast out those satanic beasts.
///

My favorite lol cat.

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Detroit lost again.
Bombers were from Pakistan.
Charles gets hate mail.

Gosh, what else?
Dogs and Cats living together?

Stranger things...

Cats, emmissaries of Satan? Ok, now this is starting to explain alot...

re: #182 NYCHardhat

1 irons are sooo useless.

My step-mother was hell on wheels with a 1 iron -- used it instead of her woods.

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

Four cats, you say? Surely, eternal damnation will be your just reward for giving aid and comfort to such fornicators, thieves, drunkards and revilers. Repent now, and cast out those satanic beasts.
///

Ohhh, Cats. I thought they were talking about Congress!

Cats are promiscuous? Where's Cattt?

re: #200 Sharmuta

My favorite lol cat.

I am shaking with giggles! I've never seen that one.

WTF?

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

Funny, that very same bit you quoted also jumped out at me.

Four cats, you say? Surely, eternal damnation will be your just reward for giving aid and comfort to such fornicators, thieves, drunkards and revilers. Repent now, and cast out those satanic beasts.
///

We have 4 black cats mostly because I am such push over for a child wanting to rescue an unwanted kitten. I would be terrible as a UN bureaucrat.

re: #190 jorline

Explain what? My ex-wife was and still is a JW...she rediscovered them after two years of marriage.

For some reason, I was under the impression that Charles' link in No. 142 was to a Jehovah's Witness site.

re: #142 Charles

I'm bookmarking that one for me mum. She needs a good laugh.

My cat just jumped up onto my lap.

My black cat.

/omigodwe'reallgoingtodie

re: #206 goddessoftheclassroom

I am shaking with giggles! I've never seen that one.

Iz founded it n da upkomin sekshyn.

There are those who do not believe in Ceiling Cat:

Kitteh Buddist
Banishment of basement cat
Ceiling Cat belief survey
No true Ceiling Catist
Agnostic kitteh

Dogs have a lot of sex, too, until you get them snipped!

Oh, please. Referring to animals as promiscuous is applying human morality to the animal kingdom.

re: #194 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm on it..

Did ya' sewer it said "bowels". I think it was supposed to the "bowls".

For the drinking threads.

re: #209 MandyManners

For some reason, I was under the impression that Charles' link in No. 142 was to a Jehovah's Witness site.

In my experience, JW's are not the crazy christians that they are made out to be.

Image: ninjacatva11.jpg

re: #200 Sharmuta

My favorite lol cat.

My sides are hurting!

re: #213 gmsc

There are those who do not believe in Ceiling Cat:

Kitteh Buddist
Banishment of basement cat
Ceiling Cat belief survey
No true Ceiling Catist
Agnostic kitteh

And still another...

Reminds me of the famous Mr. Bergis Prank Call, where Mr. Bergis says: "We're good Christians, DAMN IT!" :-) :-)

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My sides are hurting!

I know- I LMAO when I found it. So true, so true...

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

Where does Folsom Street figure into that?

Must refrain. Must refrain. Must refrain.

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh, what else?
Dogs and Cats living together?

So you think THAT'S wierd?
Think again.

re: #207 NYCHardhat

WTF?

Reminds me of the Thriller dance.

re: #218 NYCHardhat

In my experience, JW's are not the crazy christians that they are made out to be.

As I said, I was under the impression that it is a JW site. I probably am wrong. I often am.

re: #221 goddessoftheclassroom

And still another...

I like that . . . scratchtower magazine!

re: #136 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Wither are you going with that?

“And on the morrow, when they had come out of Bethany, he [Jesus] hungered. And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if perhaps he might find anything thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for it was not the season of figs. And he answered and said unto it, ‘No man [will] eat fruit from you from now on — for ever.’ And his disciples heard it . . .And as they passed by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered away from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance said unto him, ‘Rabbi, behold, the fig tree that you cursed is withered away’” (Mk. 11:12-14; 20-21).

re: #202 DistantThunder

Cats, emmissaries of Satan? Ok, now this is starting to explain alot...

I expect goddess' karma to begin taking a nose-dive.

re: #167 MandyManners

I quit reading that link. Does it really say that?

Yes, it really said that. Really.

The whole thing was really really strange.
Really strange.
In a "not sane" sort of way.

Yeah, magic organic soup. Biochemistry and physics sure is magical! Idiot.

Michelangelo's true inspiration...

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh, what else?
Dogs and Cats living together?

Try this.

Medieval Ceiling Cat

Image: Ninja-Cat.jpg

re: #231 reine.de.tout

Yes, it really said that. Really.

The whole thing was really really strange.
Really strange.
In a "not sane" sort of way.

I wanna' know which denomination put that forth.

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

Funny, that very same bit you quoted also jumped out at me.

Four cats, you say? Surely, eternal damnation will be your just reward for giving aid and comfort to such fornicators, thieves, drunkards and revilers. Repent now, and cast out those satanic beasts.
///

Well, here's what I wonder about: All my cats have been "fixed", so there is no fornication. does that mean they are all OK to own?

re: #211 Fat Jolly Penguin

My cat just jumped up onto my lap.

My black cat.

/omigodwe'reallgoingtodie

Gosh, it was sure nice having gotten to know you.
Best wishes in the afterlife.

re: #230 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I expect goddess' karma to begin taking a nose-dive.

Watch it, or my karma will run over your dogma.

re: #211 Fat Jolly Penguin

My cat just jumped up onto my lap.

My black cat.

/omigodwe'reallgoingtodie

Oh, golly. Two of my four are black
I am really doomed.

re: #236 DEZes

[Link: www.popular-pics.com...]

I saw that as an lol cat. It simply said "PWNED".

re: #236 DEZes

[Link: www.popular-pics.com...]

Did you see this, pre-Boomer Marine brat?

re: #236 DEZes

[Link: www.popular-pics.com...]

"Everybody was kung-fu fighting,
those cats were fast as lightning . . ."

Waiter! There's a lizard in my Magic, Organic Soup!

I believe in a Creator but I just can't get myself worked up into that level of rage.

I just came back from a memorial service for the Mumbai victims, and I have to admit that the entire audience was worked up into somber contemplation, not murderous rage.

re: #142 Charles

Ouch that just hurt my head.

Back when being an Egyptian ("Coptic") Christian held weight even in Rome, when they were considered the spiritual elite of the Empire, an Egyptian monk saw what he thought were two men having 'relations'. He thought to himself, "They should go to hell for that." He returned to his cell and began his prayers. Someone knocked at his door. As he didn't want to leave off praying to G-d for some mundane matter, he ignored the knock and kept paying. The knocker persisted. Finally the monk begged G-d to excuse him and went to see who was at the door. It was an angel. He had a long scroll in his hands covered with names. The angel said, "Since you are so adept in deciding people's fates, G-d wants you to judge where these people should go." The monk was stunned and puzzled for a moment until he remembered what he had thought earlier in the day. He then begged G-d to forgive him for being so presumptuous.

Speaking of morality, Amsterdam is shutting down many of the brothels and also cafes selling marijuana because of massive problem with organized crime infiltrating those businesses.

I thought if it was legal the crime was going to evaporate.

re: #229 SurferDoc

(Mk. 11:12-14; 20-21)

heh
precisely
did you notice my spelling?
"Wither are you going with that?"

/gotcha ... (-:

Do we have any LOLCODE programmers in here?

The standard "Hello World" program, written in LOLCODE:

HAI
CAN HAS STDIO?
VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!"
KTHXBYE

Its bad photo compositing nut still funny, Sharmuta. ;)

re: #241 reine.de.tout

Oh, golly. Two of my four are black
I am really doomed.

I've got 4 black - I'm spitting in the face of superstition.

re: #236 DEZes

[Link: www.popular-pics.com...]

Knocked the snot outta' that dog.

re: #253 DistantThunder

I've got 4 black - I'm spitting in the face of superstition.

My cats (2) are black and white.

re: #250 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh
precisely
did you notice my spelling?
"Wither are you going with that?"

/gotcha ... (-:

You sure did! I couldn't see the forest for the...

/nevermind

To try to track a bit back to subject, those who doubt the link to Dominionism can see it at the link below, where Dominionist R C Sproul from Chalcedon interviews Ben Stein.

*** warning: anti-constitutionalist site ***

Your Atheism is NOT OUR PROBLEM! IT IS YOUR PROBLEM! YOU DEAL WITH IT. NOT US!

So if it is Charles problem, and not yours, why with the hate mail? I don't spend my day sending angry letters to people to point out that they're the ones with problems & not me.

re: #104 DistantThunder

Irony here...Aren't these the same attributes that Charles affords ALL of us here on LGF ... especially those who disagree with him? I don't ever recall once Charles telling someone to end themself...
This is a sad, sic, ignorant person.

..."Other than that, he was into forgiveness, mercy, graciousness, and eating with "sinners" instead of shunning them. if this guy was following Christ's model he would have invited Charles to dinner to listen and understand Charles perspective. They would probably agree to disagree and part as friends respectfully."

re: #255 goddessoftheclassroom

My cats (2) are black and white.

Ebony & Ivory?
or
Midnight and Snowball?

re: #246 Alouette

I believe in a Creator but I just can't get myself worked up into that level of rage.

I just came back from a memorial service for the Mumbai victims, and I have to admit that the entire audience was worked up into somber contemplation, not murderous rage.

re: #245 SlartyBartfast
Thats good for an upding.

re: #233 goddessoftheclassroom

Michelangelo's true inspiration...

OUCH!OW!
This thread is getting PAINFUL!

/and I don't DARE take a sip of this cup of coffee!