No Bail for Neo-Nazi Moron

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US News • Sun Dec 7, 2008 at 5:57 pm PST • Views: 183

Neo-Nazi moron Bill White, who sent us a threatening email and then tried to find our phone number and address to publish it online, has been ordered to stay in jail without bail.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

A judge has ordered a white supremacist charged with threatening a Chicago juror to remain jailed after hearing how he used his computer to discuss killing blacks and even aimed a veiled threat at President-elect Barack Obama.

William White, 31, of Roanoke, Va. stood impassively Friday as U.S. District Judge William Hibbler said he was upholding a previous decision by a Virginia judge to jail him without bond to “ensure the safety of the community.”

The charges against White stemmed from his alleged posting of the name, photograph, address and phone numbers of the foreman of a jury that in 2004 found white supremacist Matt Hale guilty of soliciting the murder of the federal judge who presided over the trial.

But much of the hearing centered on other online postings of the self-proclaimed commander of the American National Socialist Workers’ Party. Those postings included phrases like “kill, kill, kill,” and the possibility that he might go on a “murderous rampage.”

Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Ferrara also told Hibbler of an article that was posted on White’s blog that included a photograph of Obama, a swastika, and concluded with the words, “He should not be allowed to take office by any means necessary.”

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1 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:59:19pm

Karma's a bitch, eh?

2 redc1c4  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 5:59:21pm

can we tie him up with bailing wire?

3 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:00:04pm

Good.

4 redc1c4  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:00:31pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Karma's a bitch, eh?

no, he's Bubba bitch. %-)

5 coquimbojoe  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:00:41pm

Can we send fools like this to Guantanamo?

6 saberry0530  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:00:58pm

Wasn't he a lawyer?

7 sneezey  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:01:25pm

Sometimes our judicial system work. Sadly our jails and prisons are filled with white supremacists, so he will find himself welcome wherever he goes.

8 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:01:49pm
“He should not be allowed to take office by any means necessary.”

I hate Nazi's that use badly formed sentences.

9 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:01:54pm
“He should not be allowed to take office by any means necessary.”

Asshole has composition problems, too.

10 solomonpanting  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:02:14pm

I hate Virginia Nazis.

11 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:02:17pm

Showing a pattern of unstable and potentially dangerous behavior is the ideal grounds to keep a freak like that locked up. Seems like he has a whole list of possible charges that canbe totted out to keep him locked up for a long time.

12 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:02:20pm

re: #8 Walter L. Newton

I hate Nazi's that use badly formed sentences.

Five seconds.

13 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:02:33pm

Put him in a cell with OJ.

14 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:02:42pm

re: #9 MandyManners

Asshole has composition problems, too.

Great minds think alike.

15 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:02:43pm

Heh. Enjoy the jail time, asshole.

16 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:02:51pm

re: #11 Quilly Mammoth

Showing a pattern of unstable and potentially dangerous behavior is the ideal grounds to keep a freak like that locked up. Seems like he has a whole list of possible charges that canbe totted out to keep him locked up for a long time.

Is that constitutional?

17 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:03:07pm

Why is he only facing charges for threatening this juror? He's threatened more people than that.

18 OldLineTexan  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:03:38pm

Jail bail fail?

19 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:03:51pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Why is he only facing charges for threatening this juror? He's threatened more people than that.

I think those who try to disrupt the judicial system get special consideration.

20 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:04:15pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Heh. Enjoy the jail time, asshole.

His asshole will!

21 OldLineTexan  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:04:38pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Why is he only facing charges for threatening this juror? He's threatened more people than that.

Chicago juror.

22 J.D.  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:04:57pm

re: #13 Alouette

Put him in a cell with OJ.

Good idea.

23 Killian Bundy  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:06:08pm
But White's attorney, Nishay Sanan, dismissed White's online postings as nothing more than "a means of venting political frustrations" and that he was never threatening anyone or asking anyone to do others harm. The one witness during the hearing was a forensic psychiatrist, who testified that he did not believe White posed a danger to himself, his family or the community.

Here comes the First Amendment defense.

/I'm curious as to exactly what statute(s) he's being charged under

24 jorline  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:06:48pm

May Bill White have an integrated Christmas and a New Year full of cavity searches!

25 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:07:03pm

Prison? Hello target market.

This guy will come out stronger, more radical and better connected to the criminal underworld.

The good news is that 'American Nazism' has devolved to this sad, punch line of a movement.

26 Crusty  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:08:41pm

He may get the "American History X" treatment in the shower.

...

May he get the "American History X" treatment in the shower!

27 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:08:45pm

Bill White must has been influenced by Darwinism.
/

28 Killian Bundy  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:08:57pm

re: #6 saberry0530

Wasn't he a lawyer?

Mathew Hale?

/he passed the Bar exam but was refused admission because of his lack of moral character

29 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:08:58pm

re: #19 MandyManners

I think those who try to disrupt the judicial system get special consideration.

While protecting the judiciary is important, I thought we were all equal under the law.

30 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:09:17pm

re: #13 Alouette

Put him in a cell with OJ.

I prefer not having sympathy for OJ.

31 winston06  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:09:54pm

he should stay in jail

32 Opilio  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:10:32pm
But White's attorney, Nishay Sanan, dismissed White's online postings as nothing more

I wonder how "White Supremacist" Bill White feels about having an attorney named Nishay Sanan. Or vice versa.

33 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:10:43pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

While protecting the judiciary is important, I thought we were all equal under the law.

In theory.

34 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:11:07pm

re: #33 MandyManners

In theory.

Yeah- I noticed that during the clinton administration.

35 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:11:12pm

re: #25 experiencedtraveller

This guy will come out stronger, more radical and better connected to the criminal underworld.


Probably not. He's already well know in neo-Nazi circles and already has a reputation for cheating and swindling his fellow nazis. He is also rumored to have Jewish ancestry. Even his fellow Nazis hate him.

36 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:11:41pm

re: #25 experiencedtraveller

Prison? Hello target market.

This guy will come out stronger, more radical and better connected to the criminal underworld.

The good news is that 'American Nazism' has devolved to this sad, punch line of a movement.


I disagree. He is white boy. A racist neo-nazi white supremist in a prison system that is disproportionately populated by young angry black men. He is gonna have to watch himself, very very carefully.

37 Macker  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:11:58pm

re: #13 Alouette

Put him in a cell with OJ.

I don't even think OJ deserves a bitch while he's in prison.

38 solomonpanting  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:12:03pm

re: #23 Killian Bundy

/I'm curious as to exactly what statute(s) he's being charged under

"The defendant, William White, was indicted on one count of solicitation,

39 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:12:21pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Yeah- I noticed that during the clinton administration.

Watch out for the CBBHO Administration!

40 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:12:34pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Probably not. He's already well know in neo-Nazi circles and already has a reputation for cheating and swindling his fellow nazis. He is also rumored to have Jewish ancestry. Even his fellow Nazis hate him.

Shit, he chooses to walk a very lonely road, doesnt he?

41 Zimriel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:12:45pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Why is he only facing charges for threatening this juror? He's threatened more people than that.

Because generalised threats are a sticky constitutional issue. Specific threats aren't. It was also easier to jail Capone for tax evasion, than for running the most murderous Mafia in our history.

42 Killian Bundy  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:12:59pm

re: #31 winston06

he should stay in jail

He's going to be there for a while.

A trial date was set for March 3

/wonder if they'll let him have internet access?

43 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:13:10pm

neo-nazis never strike me as very intelligent.
they are too angry and fueled by hate.
they subscribe to a losing proposition.

44 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:13:34pm

re: #36 A Kiwi Infidel

He'll find friends with the Aryan Brotherhood in prison but he will also be a high value target for everyone else. He's going to be very venerable even with protection.

45 Mike in VA  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:13:56pm

I always wonder, what kind of jobs do these "Socialist Workers" hold? I'm thinking it usually involves something not even an illegal immigrant would do.

46 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:14:36pm
47 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:14:42pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

neo-nazis never strike me as very intelligent.
they are too angry and fueled by hate.
they subscribe to a losing proposition.


I agree with you 100%, however the trouble is that while they are around they are a pain in the ass.

48 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:15:17pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey


I think you mean "vulnerable."


Oops, never trust spell check.

49 Killian Bundy  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:15:24pm

re: #38 solomonpanting

"The defendant, William White, was indicted on one count of solicitation

/thanks, that helps

50 jorline  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:15:36pm

Del Toro attends screening of 'Che' in Havana

Any bets on who wins the Academy Award for Best Actor this year?

*spit*

51 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:15:46pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

I think you mean "vulnerable." Though there may well be those in jail who venerate ventilate him.

{ponders possibilities}

52 Zimriel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:15:50pm

re: #45 Mike in VA

I always wonder, what kind of jobs do these "Socialist Workers" hold? I'm thinking it usually involves something not even an illegal immigrant would do.

Yeah... collecting welfare checks

53 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:16:53pm

re: #41 Zimriel

Because generalised threats are a sticky constitutional issue. Specific threats aren't. It was also easier to jail Capone for tax evasion, than for running the most murderous Mafia in our history.

Thanks.

54 J.D.  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:17:03pm

Steyn

...Last week, a Canadian critic reprimanded me for failing to understand that Muslims feel “vulnerable.” Au contraire, they project tremendous cultural confidence, as well they might: They’re the world’s fastest-growing population. A prominent British Muslim announced the other day that, when the United Kingdom becomes a Muslim state, non-Muslims will be required to wear insignia identifying them as infidels. If he’s feeling “vulnerable,” he’s doing a terrific job of covering it up.

We are told that the “vast majority” of the 1.6-1.8 billion Muslims (in Deepak Chopra’s estimate) are “moderate.” Maybe so, but they’re also quiet. And, as the AIDs activists used to say, “Silence=Acceptance.” It equals acceptance of the things done in the name of their faith. Rabbi Holtzberg was not murdered because of a territorial dispute over Kashmir or because of Bush’s foreign policy. He was murdered in the name of Islam — “Allahu Akbar.”

I wrote in my book, America Alone, that “reforming” Islam is something only Muslims can do. But they show very little sign of being interested in doing it, and the rest of us are inclined to accept that. Spread a rumor that a Koran got flushed down the can at Gitmo, and there’ll be rioting throughout the Muslim world. Publish some dull cartoons in a minor Danish newspaper, and there’ll be protests around the planet. But slaughter the young pregnant wife of a rabbi in Bombay in the name of Allah, and that’s just business as usual. And, if it is somehow “understandable” that for the first time in history it’s no longer safe for a Jew to live in India, then we are greasing the skids for a very slippery slope. Muslims, the AP headline informs us, “worry about image.” Not enough.


Silence=Acceptance
Rabbi Holtzberg was not murdered because of a territorial dispute over Kashmir or because of Bush’s foreign policy.

55 jcm  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:17:09pm

Bill White. Current Address:

Cook County Jail.
Block 201
Cell 44.
Roomate: Bubba

Bubba: Physical discription:
6'5" 225lbs, 28 yo black male. Occupation: weightlifter.

56 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:17:21pm

re: #50 jorline

Del Toro attends screening of 'Che' in Havana

Any bets on who wins the Academy Award for Best Actor this year?

*spit*


The Puerto Rican actor won the Cannes Film Festival's best-actor prize for his performance.

Yup, the setting up is under way.

57 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:18:22pm

Couldn't happen to a nicer nazier guy.

OT: Breaking - Pakistan Raids Lashkar e Toiba Camps

58 lawhawk  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:18:32pm

re: #23 Killian Bundy

The charges against White stemmed from his alleged posting of the name, photograph, address and phone numbers of the foreman of a jury that in 2004 found white supremacist Matt Hale guilty of soliciting the murder of the federal judge who presided over the trial.

I've got to believe that jury tampering is among the charges, along with aggravated harassment, interference with the judicial process, and a few others.

I don't have PACER, so I can't pull up the case file to know the specific charges.

59 J.D.  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:18:53pm

re: #55 jcm

Damn the luck!

60 lawhawk  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:19:35pm

re: #50 jorline

Del Toro attends screening of 'Che' in Havana

Any bets on who wins the Academy Award for Best Actor this year?

*spit*

Yeah, Josh Brolin for W.

61 lawhawk  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:20:14pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Although, I think the real money is going to be on Heath Ledger for his turn as the Joker.

62 Son of the Black Dog  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:20:23pm

re: #57 Thanos

Couldn't happen to a nicer nazier guy.

OT: Breaking - Pakistan Raids Lashkar e Toiba Camps

Rounding up the usual suspects.

63 LoFlyer  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:20:30pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

While protecting the judiciary is important, I thought we were all equal under the law.

We just finished a trial in Atlanta where a convict beat and captured a deputies 9 MM and proceeded to the courtroom where he blew away a judge and several court personnel. The state of Georgia then proceeded to pay for the "indigent" legal defense of the jerk along with prosecution of the said ass-hole. Estimated cost of prosecution and defense is at 5 million but justice has been served. Most likely the guy will "ride the chair" after being found guilty by his peers. This whole affair was a bad joke on taxpayers and was brought about by the incompetence of the Fulton County Sheriffs office. I want go into what the ass-hats defense was, suffice it to say that the "race" card was played with zero effect. I hope they make a mistake with the lethal injection and he goes down in agony mates!

64 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:20:32pm

Didn't he change his name to "White"?

65 jorline  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:20:52pm

re: #55 jcm

Bill White. Current Address:

Cook County Jail.
Block 201
Cell 44.
Roomate: Bubba

Bubba: Physical discription:
6'5" 225lbs, 28 yo black male. Occupation: weightlifter.

WTH...no pic?

66 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:20:55pm
67 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:21:11pm

re: #54 J.D.

Steyn

Silence=Acceptance
Rabbi Holtzberg was not murdered because of a territorial dispute over Kashmir or because of Bush’s foreign policy.

A prominent British Muslim announced the other day that, when the United Kingdom becomes a Muslim state, non-Muslims will be required to wear insignia identifying them as infidels.

Gee. Where have I heard of that before?

68 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:21:29pm
69 Karridine  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:21:35pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Karma's a bitch, eh?

Cause and effect?
We I don't need no Cause and Effect! That crap is just another right wingnut belief! A myth... and I'll expose that myth... in great detail... from my prison cell... just you wait...

70 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:22:32pm
71 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:23:21pm

Also I recall that Bill White was heavily invested in real estate and rental properties. The financial crisis combined with legal troubles will hopefully be enough to bankrupt him.

72 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:23:23pm

When he gets before the judge next time his argument should be "But we allied with Stalin..."

73 J.D.  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:24:11pm

re: #67 MandyManners

It's the Religion of Peace™. Keep that in mind...

74 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:24:14pm

re: #72 Thanos

When he gets before the judge next time his argument should be "But we allied with Stalin..."

*snicker*

75 The Other Les  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:24:55pm
A judge has ordered a white supremacist charged with threatening a Chicago juror to remain jailed after hearing how he used his computer to discuss killing blacks and even aimed a veiled threat at President-elect Barack Obama.


The one thing that is dumber than a Democrat is a Neo-Nazi.

76 jorline  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:25:56pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Yeah, Josh Brolin for W.

It's going to be a close contest this year. I can't believe Michael Moore doesn't have a horse in the race.
//

77 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:26:16pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Although, I think the real money is going to be on Heath Ledger for his turn as the Joker.

He's dead, Jim.

78 sngnsgt  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:28:30pm
Frog march 'em!

/DUmmy

79 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:29:20pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

He's already well know in neo-Nazi circles and already has a reputation for cheating and swindling his fellow nazis.

That is good news.

Yet in prison he will surely be welcomed into the appropriate gang; if only as a soldier.

80 saberry0530  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:45:14pm

re: #55 jcm

Bill White. Current Address:

Cook County Jail.
Block 201
Cell 44.
Roomate: Bubba

Bubba: Physical discription:
6'5" 225lbs, 28 yo black male. Occupation: weightlifterRetired Gay male porn star.

Better dreams!

81 wiffersnapper  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:52:12pm

whitey got you down?

82 Zimriel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:56:09pm

re: #70 ploome hineni

HEY gang, I have an idea

let us encourage MORE muslim immigration to USA

I had lunch at a "Mediterranean" deli today. Some Imam with his beard and outlandish dress walks in, blathers at the staff. I'm watching, thinking "meh" and continuing my meal. Then in walks the Niqab Ninja with only the eyes showing through the blackness.

"Some day, all of this can be yours", went through my head...

...work hard, fellow lizards, that it doesn't

83 Zimriel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 6:57:31pm

re: #72 Thanos

When he gets before the judge next time his argument should be "But we allied with Stalin..."

Amicus briefs to be filed by Fjordman and Dianna West?

84 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:00:09pm

re: #47 A Kiwi Infidel

I agree with you 100%, however the trouble is that while they are around they are a pain in the ass.

fringe losers like that may always be around.
they need to be watched and locked up when they get out of line.
and in the mean time they need to be met w/ derision and ridicule.

85 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:03:37pm
86 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:04:18pm
87 Zimriel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:19:53pm

re: #86 ploome hineni

#82 Zimriel

why are you spending money at that shop?

Because I like shawarmas, didn't know it was a haunt for ambulatory black tents, and had paid the money already. Sigh.

Phoenicia Deli is run by Armenian Christians, I believe, and is largely free of niqab-ninjas. There's also a "Shish Kabob Cafe" which does a killer lamb gyro; Muslim, but Persian Shi'a who celebrate the Persian New Year, and the owner's wife is nice and does not dress like a Sith Lord.

88 Zimriel  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:21:10pm

(Fadi's Mediterranean Cafe would be the sexist establishment which I will no longer be patronising, for those who are interested)

89 Lynn B.  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:24:48pm

Bill White has long been in need of a straightjacket, some serious meds and a rubber room without a door.

Is that Constitutional? With the correct diagnosis, probably yes.

90 Steffan  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:39:59pm

Here's the complaint and the indictment.

2. From on or about September 11, 2008, through at least on or about October 11, 2008, in the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division, and elsewhere,

WILLIAM WHITE,

defendant herein, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of force against the person of Juror A, in violation of the laws of the United States, and under circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicited and otherwise endeavored to persuade such other person to engage in such conduct; in that defendant solicited and otherwise endeavored to persuade another person to injure Juror A on account of a verdict assented to by Juror A, in violation of Title 18, United States Code Section 1503.

3. It was part of the solicitation, inducement, and endeavor to persuade that on or about September 11, 2008, defendant WILLIAM WHITE caused to be displayed on the front page of “Overthrow.com” a posting entitled, “The Juror Who Convicted Matt Hale.” The posting read: “Gay anti-racist [Juror A] was a juror who played a key role in convicting Matt Hale. Born [date], [he/she] lives at [address] with [his/her] gay black lover and [his/her] cat [name].” [His/Her] phone number is [phone number], cell phone [phone number], and [his/her] office is [phone number].”

4. It was further part of the solicitation, inducement, and endeavor to persuade that on or about September 12, 2008, defendant WILLIAM WHITE caused to be displayed on the front page of “Overthrow.com” a posting entitled, “[Juror A] Update - Since They Blocked the first photo.” The posting read: “Gay anti-racist [Juror A] was a juror who played a key role in convicting Matt Hale. Born [date], [he/she] lives at [address] with [his/her] gay black lover and [his/her] cat [name].” [His/Her] phone number is [phone number], cell phone [phone number], and [his/her] office is [phone number]. Note that [University A] blocked much of [Juror A’s] information after we linked to [his/her] photograph.”

Obstruction of justice. Federal felony. "Not more than 20 years."

91 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 7:41:53pm

re: #16 MandyManners

It's done all the time. Look at Michael Vick.

92 teleskiguy  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 8:58:46pm

NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!

93 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 12:04:43am

Bill White is a real piece of work. Even his fellow neonazi racists loathe him.

94 Land Shark  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:24:07am

Sadly, I expect all manner of racist white supremacist slimeballs to crawl out from under their rocks as Obama becomes President. I hope the law can keep a lid on those idiots.

I'm glad they're keeping that kook locked up.


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 Frank says:

This is Frank Zappa saying, Don't do speed. Speed turns you into your parents. -- this used to play OFTEN as a public service announcement(PSA) on radio station WHFS at 102.5 FM in bethesda,MD.USA during the early '70's. it was followed by a nearly inaudible whisper, "...but grass and acid are o.k.", which may have been frank, or one of the mothers.