A taste of things to come?

What a stupid thing to lie about.

Someone has to support that tax base.

I'd walk a mile for a Sotero!

And how is this a problem for our Republic?

One word:
Chantix.

Full-bodied, longer-lasting, now with XK-29 added, for people who can't keep their word between smokes!

It's the stress of the Office of The President Elect!

Why am I not surprised?

The list of what BHO has NOT lied about would be shorter.

Sorry if I offend smokers - but I think smoking is tacky and weak.

re: #4 Karridine

I'd walk a mile for a Sotero!

Nah. He smokes Kool's.

His need for them will increase in direct proportion to his understanding of what it means to BE president as opposed to what it means to be CALLED president.
/rude awakening ~ light up

re: #5 The Other Les

How is lying done by the president a problem for the Republic?

/lemme see...

re: #5 The Other Les

Lying or smoking?

That just proves he is unqualified to be President.

/sarc

why is this news?

re: #15 J.D.

Or poor judgment?

re: #1 Karridine

A taste of things to come?

I have the very vague recollection of television ads for cigarettes which mention taste as a positive attribute.

Everyone around him knew this. The MSM simply covered it up. Only conservatives can't smoke. Just like only Libs get to fly in private planes, ride in SUVs and Limousines.

lets see the liberal left base is turning against him, the msm will too, I figure by his 3rd year in office he'll probably smoking crack in the janitors closet next to the oval office.

re: #20 pat

Duh.
Of course!

re: #15 J.D.

Lying or smoking?

Smoking.

Well, what's the big deal? It's not like he's got to pay for his health care costs now does it? /

Seriously though, he really ought to quit the cancer sticks. They're not good for him and can shorten his life expectancy, increase the medical costs that we taxpayers will be shouldering when he is old and grey.

You know, all the reasons that government health care could find to reject his medical claims should universal health care come to fruition.

Smokin' in the White House boy's room

/It's complete irony when the man comes from a state that's banned smoking from within 15 feet of an entryway, and in all restaurants, bars, offices, etc.

Poor bastard.

Don't worry. Ayers will bring him some good bud when he and Bernadine put their feet up in the Lincoln Bedroom.

He didn't lie about quitting...he just told us he restarted periodically.

In all seriousness, if you've ever tried to quit that addiction, it's tough.

The cool part about ultimately quitting for good is my really cool bicycles bought with money I would have burned up.

Smoke free for years now.

From the referenced article:

The 47-year-old father of two who will start living there next month as the 44th president said the building would stay smoke-free.

The White House, after all, has several balconies.

The Secret Service ought to love that.

re: #14 Karridine

How is lying done by the president a problem for the Republic?

/lemme see...

I was thinking smoking...

I think Obama's been secretlysmokin' in the boy's room.

Obama lied, people died...from second hand smoke!

re: #23 The Other Les

To some people it indicates a lack of good judgment.

re: #12 solomonpanting

Nah. He smokes Kool's.

Hey, Kids, I'm Barry Sotero and I AM Kewl!
And you know that I'm cool because I smoke KOOLs!

Smoke Kool and your troubles disappear, girls get the hots for your bod, and billionaires send you money under the table!
*close up*
Kools! The only cigarette to smoke if you're presidential material... like ME!

/big Barry O grin

Barry needs a heater

/he doesn't even have the basic willpower to quit smoking, couldn't get a security clearance to save his life if he hadn't been elected President, and we're supposed to trust him with our national security?

He smokes two packs in times of peace,
And two in times of war.
He smokes two packs before he smokes two packs,
And then he smokes two more.

I really don't care if he smokes.

Who cares and what does smoking have to do with running the country mates? If this is our criteria for judging political fitness we are doomed as a country. Give Obama a break guys, he deserves a chance and you are hammering him on BS. Kennedy smoked and no one gave a damn. What is the difference?

re: #6 J.D.

One word:
Chantix.

Doesn't work. Or maybe I'm not ready to quit. It is the single stupidest thing that I still do. Maybe it will take a wake up heart attack to remind me that I am mortal. If I were in Barrys shoes I would be smoking 3 packs a day.

He's just showing his umm, ah, err, support for Tobacco farmers, yea, yea, that's it, Tobacco farmers.

re: #24 lawhawk

Don't you think the term "socialized medicine" is more to the point than "universal health care"?

re: #12 solomonpanting

Nah. He smokes Kool's.

So Obama doesn't walk a mile for a Camel?

re: #16 Buck

That just proves he is unqualified to be President.

/sarc

why is this news?

The man's a god to the media. For the next 4 years, we'll find out about every time he blinks!

re: #11 FrogMarch

Sorry if I offend smokers - but I think smoking is tacky and weak.

/as a former smoker, I couldn't agree more, not to mention really bad for your health

#10 Buzzaw,

There is nothing worse than a reformed whore. That is me. Keep the damn smoke away from me. I no longer want it. Stay out of the buildings and away from the doors. Do not get in an elevator with me if you stink of cigarettes unless I get a free pass to fart...and you won't like my farts...I didn't quit drinking good beer.

re: #30 Son of the Black Dog

From the referenced article:

The Secret Service ought to love that.

Fortunately, folks on our side of the political divide understand that assassination wouldn't solve any part of the problem.

It's the folks on the Left who haven't got the word, and remember, the individual who assassinated an American President was a Marxist.

Just thinking about Obama squeezed in the corner of Bathroom Stahl puffing on a Kool Cigarette thinking what the hell did i get myself into..
works for me...Although..
It's not really the tobacco I'm worried about...

re: #40 Truck Monkey

Did you stick with it for at least 6 months?

let the man have a smoke.

this does not matter at all, i can think of many other things that matter oh so mush more.

(no, i dont smoke either)

re: #20 pat

Everyone around him knew this. The MSM simply covered it up. Only conservatives can't smoke. Just like only Libs get to fly in private planes, ride in SUVs and Limousines.

And that's the short list. Only libs can be homosexual, have affairs, take payoffs, illegal contributions; the double standard is infinite.

re: #43 Honorary Yooper

So Obama doesn't walk a mile for a Camel?

No, but I hear there are some who would walk a mile for a camel or a goat.

re: #33 jorline

Obama lied, people died...from second hand smoke!

I would think the whole Socialism thing and the Gaianism thing would be a definite indication of a problem.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking -

AFA Obama, smoke away.

But imagine if Bush smoked. All we would here is that if he can't quit smoking, how do we know he quit drinking- followed by allegations of coke use.

And Obama, smoke inside, the country doesn't need you making regular appearances on balconies. You are a big boy, stay inside.

What kind of brands would the president-elect smoke?

Cobrama?
Michelleboros?
Parliament?
Embassy?
Prince?
West (is evil)?
King's?

BUY BIG TOBACCO

re: #49 J.D.

Did you stick with it for at least 6 months?

No. 2 weeks so far and I still have the need to have a nightly heater or 3. I have quit so many other things in my life that were hard. This is hard too.

Try that one again

re: #59 Truck Monkey

You're just beginning. Hang in there!
I know it's hard...

re: #29 drool

That's why doctors Azrin and Foxx wrote their best-seller: "Quit Smoking in Less Than a Day!"

/hmmm... that link ain't it... but they wrote it BEFORE writing "Toilet Training in Less Than A Day"

re: #11 FrogMarch

Weak in terms of personal strength -- yup. Tacky, well that is your opinion and I disagree.

/Unless you are talking about the O-Meister and then your right on both counts.

As regards Obama, of all the things to get my knickers in a twist, this rates about last.

re: #64 rawmuse

I can only hope that when his time there is up, he leaves all the furniture there, if you know what I mean...

re: #64 rawmuse

ditto

re: #58 experiencedtraveller

BUY BIG TOBACCO

Tobacco

/excellent defensive plays in a weak economy

Am I the only one with a mental image of our president in a coat, huddling just outside one of the service doors, smoking in the sleet and rain? I do appreciate that he's not going to stink up the building.

Not a smoker, don't want to be a smoker, but I have sympathy for those who want to quit and can't. If chocolate turned out to be carcinogenic next week, I would be in serious, big-time trouble.

Probably not a lie as much as wishful thinking. There are tons of smokers, alcoholics, etc., that decide they've quit, tell everyone they're done, and then go back to it eventually. It's the nature of addiction.

Oh, and I'd like to jump on the "why is this news?" bandwagon.

re: #45 Killian Bundy

/as a former smoker, I couldn't agree more, not to mention really bad for your health

Good for you that you quit. I realize quitting the addiction is no easy task. My neighbor smokes and her 10 year old son wants her to quit. She won't - she chooses the shit sticks over her son. I think that's pathetic.

MR. BROKAW: Finally, Mr. President-elect, the White House is a no-smoking zone, and when you were asked about this recently by Barbara Walters, I read it very carefully, you ducked.

Have you stopped smoking?

PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: You know, I have, but what I said was that, you know, there are times where I've fallen off the wagon. Well...

MR. BROKAW: Well, wait a minute.

PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: ...what can I tell...

MR. BROKAW: Then that means you haven't stopped.

PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: Well, the--fair enough. What I would say is, is that I have done a terrific job under the circumstances of making myself much healthier, and I think that you will not see any violations of these rules in the White House.

Whata weasel.

While I think smoking is bad, there are worse things to lie about. Still, very entertaining.

re: #71 FrogMarch

Good for you that you quit. I realize quitting the addiction is no easy task. My neighbor smokes and her 10 year old son wants her to quit. She won't - she chooses the shit sticks over her son. I think that's pathetic.

It's also a monetary issue.

/what are cigarettes now, like a million dollars a pack?

re: #72 Geepers

Whata weasel.

But he's so smart!

do they allow smoking in the white house? Will Obama have to go outside?

(/no oval office jokes)

re: #5 The Other Les

And how is this a problem for our Republic?

Can't stop to save my soul. My prayers are with him.

He lied about quitting smoking.
That's one of the few things I really like about him. Puritans and control freaks turn people around them into liars all the time.

Yeah, smoking is tacky and weak--that's me Baybay. ;-)

/I quit seven years ago. I grieved for a month after quitting, like I lost my best friend. I had, they were my nasty little friends. No regrets though, don't miss 'em now.

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

i'd love to see everyone quit tobacco, and then watch the tax chaos that happens.

what needs to happen is this: everyone needs to smoke heavily, and all the cigs are taxed. and then everyone dies just...right...before...retirement, just before the govt (the living workers) have to start paying for the old/retired. /s

or we can pretend that cigs are bad and kill alot of people, but not outlaw them AND tax them at just the high enough rate to keep enough people smoking taxed cigs to keep the tax money coming in while the govt pretends to want everyone not to smoke. if they are that dangerous, outlaw them. more people are killed by cigs than by guns.

its a sham and hypocritical and its bullshit.

re: #74 Killian Bundy

It's also a monetary issue.

/what are cigarettes now, like a million dollars a pack?

I quit last April after about 30 years, and price was one of the considerations into finally quitting.

re: #72 Geepers

Tell 'em all to kiss your ass, Mr. President Elect. Hah. They ain't gonna take your halo away now.

re: #69 EmmmieG

Really like you already. You're Karma is very healthy, very early.

re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't stop to save my soul. My prayers are with him.

You have the discipline not to eat meat, yet you smoke.

/isn't it Ironic?

re: #51 coldwarrior

let the man have a smoke.

this does not matter at all, i can think of many other things that matter oh so mush more.

(no, i dont smoke either)

It matters because he wants to tell the rest of us how to live while he does whatever the hell he pleases. I hope everything he does makes front page news so he'll be shown over and over again for the hypocrite/liar that he is.

As an on again-off again smoker, I sympathize. I picture him during his first intel brief after the election as the Lloyd Bridges character in Airplane..."Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up smoking!"

CHANGE

Joan (#78),

Puritans and control freaks turn people around them into liars all the time.

Bullshit. You either lie about it or you don't.

What a cheap cop-out to blame the "Puritains."

re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't stop to save my soul. My prayers are with him.

veg, I like that about you; no pretense, good humor, insight. keep quitting, you can do it if you want it bad enough--wanting it is the bitch tho.

re: #83 Killian Bundy

You have the discipline not to eat meat, yet you smoke.

/isn't it Ironic?

It is the example I use for "cognitive dissonance". I know it is stupid...but, in my defense, didn't love meat as much as I love a smoke.

re: #84 ciaospirit

It matters because he wants to tell the rest of us how to live while he does whatever the hell he pleases. I hope everything he does makes front page news so he'll be shown over and over again for the hypocrite/liar that he is.

show me a democrat that aint a hypocrite.

let him have a smoke. i dont care...ted kennedy still has a drivers license.

re: #74 Killian Bundy

It's also a monetary issue.

/what are cigarettes now, like a million dollars a pack?

Like Sharmuta said above, "Someone has to support that tax base." buying ciggies helps with tax revenue - it save lives!

re: #80 Spider Mensch

I quit last April after about 30 years, and price was one of the considerations into finally quitting.

/and I bet, like the rest of us quitters, you feel a bit healthier for doing it

I was going to quit (again) but my 401(k) is so hopelessly underfunded now I can't afford to live that long.

re: #85 flipflop

I did not think of that line because...?

Damn You!

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is the example I use for "cognitive dissonance". I know it is stupid...but, in my defense, didn't love meat as much as I love a smoke.

Dear Obama
Please legalize Cuban Cigars...

re: #90 coldwarrior

ted kennedy still has a drivers license.

You make a good point.
The rest of us would have ended up in jail if we did as Teddy did.
The creep.

Excuse me ... a smoker? HFS! A SMOKER!? According to the left, smokers are the scourge of the earth! Now we find out that a leftie president-elect supports Big Tobacco? And kills children when he exhales?

Smoking is glamorous!

I can picture Obama with those wrinkles. Scary.

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Feel free to steal it. :-)

OK, both his parents died in their 50s, he smokes, he's taking on a high-stress job (name one president who left office without grey hair) (Don't say Reagan, either), he's in his late 40s...

I don't really know where I'm going with this other than to say the prospect of Joe Biden being president frightens me.

Everything not forbidden shall be mandatory!

J.D. (#86),

CHANGE

Apperantly Mr. Ramirez didn't get the memo about not maing fun of Barry's big ears.

re: #98 LilyGecko

Something tells me the her life's been a bit rough. Let her have a smoke.

Can he smoke on board Air Force One?

re: #87 Geepers

It's a fact though, Geepers. It might have been more accurate, however, to say it this way: Puritans and control freaks are often surrounded by weak, tacky people who lie rather than confront them.

better?

re: #102 Geepers

[In most innocent voice]
His ears are big?

re: #100 flipflop

Okay. On the next "Obama Has Not Quit Smoking After All Thread", you hang back, thanks.

/:)

re: #101 Pauley

OK, both his parents died in their 50s, he smokes, he's taking on a high-stress job (name one president who left office without grey hair) (Don't say Reagan, either), he's in his late 40s...

I don't really know where I'm going with this other than to say the prospect of Joe Biden being president frightens me.

Everything not forbidden shall be mandatory!

just hope the job doesn't drive him back to smoking pot and doing coke again.

re: #104 J.D.

Can he smoke on board Air Force One?

Only in the little smoking section at the back of the plane. I'll bet there aren't many here who remember those.

Iron Fist (#106),

LOL.

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

it was a study done by my alma mater for a govt in eastern europe on at what rate they should tax cigarettes. i did the stats work. that is why i get so bent about the taxes on cigs.

Sure fire cure for smoking...take up dipping tobacco and spit during press conferences.

re: #110 flipflop

I'm surprised I don't, but I don't.
I do remember when smoking on an airplane was no big deal whatsoever.

re: #104 J.D.

Can he smoke on board Air Force One?

I might be wrong, he's the POTUS. He can pretty much do as he freaking pleases. He is the 800lb gorilla (is that racist?). The Big Cheese. The Head Honcho. Top o' the Heap!

re: #110 flipflop

Only in the little smoking section at the back of the plane. I'll bet there aren't many here who remember those.

If he smokes in the bathroom does he have to pay the 1000 dollar fine?

re: #110 flipflop

Only in the little smoking section at the back of the plane. I'll bet there aren't many here who remember those.

i do!

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

King of the Hill!

I knew he was lying. He sounds like a smoker.

re: #119 J.D.

King of the Hill!

Step up to the Kool Taste

re: #117 HoosierHoops

If he smokes in the bathroom does he have to pay the 1000 dollar fine?

Better not disable that smoke detector.

re: #113 jorline

Sure fire cure for smoking...take up dipping tobacco and spit during press conferences.

i'd pay money to see that!

i'm surprised LBJ didn't do it!

re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Federal law prohibits it.
Oh, yeah!

re: #109 HoosierHoops

just hope the job doesn't drive him back to smoking pot and doing coke again.

"Dude I was sooo tweeked when I ordered that attack on Darfur"

re: #117 HoosierHoops

Heh...I can see the USAF flight attendants duct-taping him to a seat as the pilot diverts to the nearest airfield for his immediate arrest.

re: #124 J.D.

Federal law prohibits it.
Oh, yeah!

Would that make him a felon if he did?

re: #90 coldwarrior

show me a democrat that aint a hypocrite.

let him have a smoke. i dont care...ted kennedy still has a drivers license.

I don't give a flip if he smokes. Just don't turn around and tell me how to live, what car to buy, what temperature my thermostat must be, what to eat, that my carbon footprint is too big, or levy any other of his do as I say not as I do, drive as I say not as I do, fly as I say not as I do policies.

re: #125 Pauley

Yeah...watch Obama demand a private "viewing" of that 2000 year old stash of pot they unearthed in China.

0bama can start on the long road of winning me over by unapologetically smoking in public. Enough with this PC crap. If he starts bumming cigs from the press corp and asking for a spark, all the better. Since I'm on the topic of 0bama doing things to please me, he needs to grow a 6" afro too. These are concrete steps that 0 needs to do to curry my favor.

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Would that make him a felon if he did?

It would in my book!
:D

re: #125 Pauley

"Dude I was sooo tweeked when I ordered that attack on Darfur"

Our first clue that something is up is if Air Force One gets tricked out.

re: #130 daledog

Now that's funny.

re: #123 coldwarrior

i'd pay money to see that!

i'm surprised LBJ didn't do it!

I'd hate to be in the first row of the press core.

re: #128 ciaospirit

I don't give a flip if he smokes. Just don't turn around and tell me how to live, what car to buy, what temperature my thermostat must be, what to eat, that my carbon footprint is too big, or levy any other of his do as I say not as I do, drive as I say not as I do, fly as I say not as I do policies.

oh, i just dont listen to what the 'elite' say.

i own a large suv, a sportscar, many guns, eat meat, use a bbq, and go to church. they can talk all they want, its just words.

re: #123 coldwarrior

i'd pay money to see that!

i'm surprised LBJ didn't do it!

LBJ is one of the Presidents I would have liked to have been old enough to watch. SOB was nuts!

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Trivia:

What war did LBJ start?

re: #138 J.D.

Poverty?

re: #138 J.D.

The "war" on poverty?

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bingo!

re: #135 jorline

I'd hate to be in the first row of the press core.

hellen thomas as the target for a big side shew of red man.

coldwarrior (#112),

Worked at a place where some guys from China were here studying transfer press mechanics. They were always handing out Chinese cigarettes, the pack said "a mix of tobacco and herbs." Which got me asking were they adding herbs because of a shortage of tobacco? Nope. China grows mountains of tobacco. The production numbers are stagering. They have more smokers than the US population and get 10% of their tax revenue from cigarette taxes. Big money.

re: #138 J.D.

Trivia:

What war did LBJ start?

The only War America has ever lost. The "War On Poverty".
-Ronald Reagan

re: #138 J.D.

Trivia:

What war did LBJ start?

wasnt veitnam, that was eisenhower.

war on poverty...

re: #46 drool

#10 Buzzaw,

There is nothing worse than a reformed whore. That is me. Keep the damn smoke away from me. I no longer want it. Stay out of the buildings and away from the doors. Do not get in an elevator with me if you stink of cigarettes unless I get a free pass to fart...and you won't like my farts...I didn't quit drinking good beer.

Then you will get along very nicely with Klingons...they fart in air locks you know!

re: #140 flipflop

The "war" on poverty?

Notice they never win it.

re: #143 Geepers

coldwarrior (#112),

Worked at a place where some guys from China were here studying transfer press mechanics. They were always handing out Chinese cigarettes, the pack said "a mix of tobacco and herbs." Which got me asking were they adding herbs because of a shortage of tobacco? Nope. China grows mountains of tobacco. The production numbers are stagering. They have more smokers than the US population and get 10% of their tax revenue from cigarette taxes. Big money.

yep...sin taxes are big $$$

you should see some of the global data, its unreal.

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The only War America has ever lost. The "War On Poverty".
-Ronald Reagan

He said that?
I don't remember it...

Obama will fit in well with the Islamic leaders...Hey Mahmoud, can I bum a cigarette?

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, my young nephew is being taught in school that smoking is equivalent to crack. I mentioned this to his father, and suggested that this was a wee mite of overkill--worse, in its way, than being taught (as I was in "health class") that a couple of puffs of pot guaranteed that you would end up a heroin addict.

He replied that if it kept the kid off cigarettes, no problem. I suggested that it was more likely that once the kid found that the two were not equivalent--which he is likely to do once he makes it to college--that he will toss out all the other warnings he was given.

I don't call that education at all.. We always have the truth on our side..
There is no need to be deceiptive to try to alter a childs behavour..
Cigs aren't like coke..or pot..or i dunno mushrooms..whatever..they are what they are..explain it teach it..
Lawdy..I'd hate to havegone to sex ed at that school..

well, i smoke. so sue me.. and chantrex? (SP) has been linked to severe side effects. i will try to quit -again- using the patch- but dammit--it is MY choice!

Lying to hide his addiction...Most of what is commonly called the mainstream media are collectively enablers. Now the LA Times puts out this juicy little tidbit to show him who's gonna run things now...What was this video they wouldn't release in order to "protect" him?

Dance for me now, puppet!

ciaospirit (#128),

I don't give a flip if he smokes. Just don't turn around and tell me how to live, what car to buy, what temperature my thermostat must be, what to eat, that my carbon footprint is too big, or levy any other of his do as I say not as I do, drive as I say not as I do, fly as I say not as I do policies.

Preach on!

Another Ronald Reagan quote...

Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and opportunity’s arm steadying your way.

C'mon P-E Obama. You've applied for this job. You've got really big shoes to fill.

re: #153 Pauley

What was this video they wouldn't release in order to "protect" him?

Will we ever know?

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Our first clue that something is up is if Air Force One gets tricked out.

Yeah, next we'll see the presidential limo with gold trim and chrome spinner wheel covers. Maybe leopard upholstery.

0bambi, this one's for you: Malibu.

re: #152 mikeymom

well, i smoke. so sue me.. and chantrex? (SP) has been linked to severe side effects. i will try to quit -again- using the patch- but dammit--it is MY choice!

I'm a smoker, too.
These days, it's like a crime to smoke.
In fact, people feel perfectly free to be completely rude assholes to you if they know you smoke - never mind that you smoke at the outer fringe of the parking lot where no one ever is. Just the fact that you are a smoker is enough to brand you as a bad person.

re: #157 Son of the Black Dog

Yeah, next we'll see the presidential limo with gold trim and chrome spinner wheel covers. Maybe leopard upholstery.

24 inch DUBS, yo!

re: #152 mikeymom

well, i smoke. so sue me.. and chantrex? (SP) has been linked to severe side effects. i will try to quit -again- using the patch- but dammit--it is MY choice!

Yes It is...You seem like a person that wouldn't lie about it either.
Good for you...and good luck.

re: #146 Macker

Then you will get along very nicely with Klingons...they fart in air locks you know!

Or farts in elevators?

re: #149 J.D.

He said that?
I don't remember it...

Sorry, I paraphrased. The actual quote...

"Liberals fought poverty and poverty won."

Ronald Reagan

re: #159 reine.de.tout

Have you ever heard of a comedian named Ron Shock? He does a hilarious smoking routine...

AND-- i never smoked in a restaurant or public place- nor near my hubby of 41 yrs on tues--thanks--unlike when i was growing up and smoke was everywhere-- I will choose when to stop--or die trying!

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LBJ is one of the Presidents I would have liked to have been old enough to watch. SOB was nuts!

Believe me, you didn't miss a thing by being too young for LBJ's administration.

re: #159 reine.de.tout

I'm a smoker, too.
These days, it's like a crime to smoke.
In fact, people feel perfectly free to be completely rude assholes to you if they know you smoke - never mind that you smoke at the outer fringe of the parking lot where no one ever is. Just the fact that you are a smoker is enough to brand you as a bad person.

i dont trust anyone that doesn't smoke or have a drink :)

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, I'm sure he will be proficient in putting a condom on a banana by the time he graduates.

LOL
Hey Buzz ..remember that scene from never been kissed about the banana? and the condom? LOL

re: #168 Son of the Black Dog

There was no "comedic value"?

coldwarrior (#169),

i dont trust anyone that doesn't smoke or have a drink :)

Then I'm good.

(Quit drinking two years ago.)

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, my young nephew is being taught in school that smoking is equivalent to crack. I mentioned this to his father, and suggested that this was a wee mite of overkill--worse, in its way, than being taught (as I was in "health class") that a couple of puffs of pot guaranteed that you would end up a heroin addict.

He replied that if it kept the kid off cigarettes, no problem. I suggested that it was more likely that once the kid found that the two were not equivalent--which he is likely to do once he makes it to college--that he will toss out all the other warnings he was given.

Buzzsawmonkey -your take on this is absolutely correct.

My father was a person who could go off on a hateful rant about a group of people - blacks, etc. - and he once or twice started ranting about those heinous "papists". Well, of course, we all being "papists", quit taking him seriously about anything at all. To our great advantage, I might add.

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

That's how you can tell the villain in a movie these days. Always.

Yep.
Or a southerner.

re: #157 Son of the Black Dog

Yeah, next we'll see the presidential limo with gold trim and chrome spinner wheel covers. Maybe leopard upholstery.

Fer shiezzy, mah lieizzie.

And the diamond-crusted challice at bill signing. L'chaim!

re: #172 Geepers

if there was a good reason to quit then thats ok too.

looks like he's a liar abt. things beyond just his politics.
i don't trust the O.
he's flaky. and thinking of him sneaking around to grab a smoke is so unbecoming to the office of potus.
ugh.

ok--here's my rant-- i am 59 yrs old and i KNOW my smoking and drinking is going to shorten my life.. but--if i quit both my bad habits, i KNOW im going to end up living longer in a nursing home w/ alz or a stroke or whatever-- i want to go out of my life happy--rode hard and put away wet--yeehaw!

"My friends, some years ago, the federal government declared war on poverty and poverty won." Ronald Reagan, State of the Union Address, January 25, 1988

Yeah. He said it.

re: #136 coldwarrior

oh, i just dont listen to what the 'elite' say.

i own a large suv, a sportscar, many guns, eat meat, use a bbq, and go to church. they can talk all they want, its just words.

Let's hope BHO doesn't take any of it away. He's got his sights set on some of it and now he's got power.

re: #178 mikeymom

ok--here's my rant-- i am 59 yrs old and i KNOW my smoking and drinking is going to shorten my life.. but--if i quit both my bad habits, i KNOW im going to end up living longer in a nursing home w/ alz or a stroke or whatever-- i want to go out of my life happy--rode hard and put away wet--yeehaw!

live well, leave a good looking corpse.

re: #145 coldwarrior

wasnt veitnam, that was eisenhower.

Don't blame Eisenhower, who said not to get involved in a land war in Asia. JFK was the one who decided to ramp up a small advisory mission and make a military commitment. Now, JFK did start the Special Forces, an example of doing something good for the wrong reasons.

He is too spineless to man up and say "Yeah, I smoke. So what?" He sculpts his image by opinion polls. That scares me more.

re: #180 ciaospirit

Let's hope BHO doesn't take any of it away. He's got his sights set on some of it and now he's got power.

the republic will survive this one, just like it survived the last 43 of 'em.

we just have to be vigilant.

re: #182 coldwarrior

well-lol-smoking does affect facial lines--but--(channeling mandy)--who gives a fuck?

re: #184 uscmsne

It's how the Democrats always do it any more.

Been quoting Reagan tonight. Will finish up with this one here.

"Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his." 1980 Campaign

G'night Lizards.

Nite FBV.

So, he lies about a smoke, whats the big deal? I mean its just little white lie, right? He wouldnt lie about anything else, right? Right?
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re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Been quoting Reagan tonight. Will finish up with this one here.

G'night Lizards.

Nite

I could care less if he smokes...the thing that chaps me is the fact that he lied...well, golly be...why are we surprised over that little evasion. just add it to the every growing list of the things he has lied about..and I am sure there is more to come...
I hate to think he would smoke in the Oval Office..and on AF One...I have no doubt that he will...remember when the MSM traveling with him said that the plane stunk! take yer pick cigs or bo!

re: #187 J.D.

It's how the Democrats always do it any more.

Don't stop with the democrats. All politicians do it.

/That's why I liked Palin so much. I liked her for her imperfections. But that's another topic and another bottle of scotch.

re: #25 Honorary Yooper

Smokin' in the White House boy's room

/It's complete irony when the man comes from a state that's banned smoking from within 15 feet of an entryway, and in all restaurants, bars, offices, etc.

But then, he comes from a city that virtually bans gun ownership except for a clause that allows city alderman to own them.

Obama endorses Chicago Alderman Dorothy Tillman

re: #188 Iron Fist

isnt it amazing iron? yes, i would love to see grandkids--they are around 5 yrs from being borned--but ive seen my mom and dad in law, and now my mom in law in asst living places and nursing homes--zombies in 2 cases--NO THANKS! now--pass the vodka and ciggies!

re: #194 Iron Fist

I'm more afraid of what he's told the truth on. Like that 25 million he wants to snuff per Weather Underground.

Got room downunder.

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There was no "comedic value"?

A mixture of black humor and farce.

re: #183 Son of the Black Dog

it was eisenhower, he sent the first troops in. now, i would rather have eisenhower run that war than jfk or lbj.re: #197 mikeymom

isnt it amazing iron? yes, i would love to see grandkids--they are around 5 yrs from being borned--but ive seen my mom and dad in law, and now my mom in law in asst living places and nursing homes--zombies in 2 cases--NO THANKS! now--pass the vodka and ciggies!

got some tito's handmade vodka right here, mikeymom...tonic or cranberry juice with that?

re: #193 Xango Annie

no-- i think he controls it in publid places--i can be on a flight and go 8 hrs--he wont smoke around anyone that will report it--prob just in private--sooo what?

re: #184 uscmsne

He is too spineless to man up and say "Yeah, I smoke. So what?" He sculpts his image by opinion polls. That scares me more.

It was sickening the way he tried to "hide" from Brokaw. What's he going to do when he can't hide from something really important? Uh, uh what I would say is...

re: #195 uscmsne

W didn't.

Surprised they posted the videos...didn't know they did that anymore.

/

re: #178 mikeymom

ok--here's my rant-- i am 59 yrs old and i KNOW my smoking and drinking is going to shorten my life.. but--if i quit both my bad habits, i KNOW im going to end up living longer in a nursing home w/ alz or a stroke or whatever-- i want to go out of my life happy--rode hard and put away wet--yeehaw!

What you need to worry about isn't dying, it's living through cancer treatments, while wishing you could die.

re: #202 ploome hineni

hi ciao

'sup, Ploome.

his hiding the smoking habit is pathetic.
he's like a grade school kid caught smoking behind the barn.
brokow was the authority figure.
sad thing is, the O is potus.
he is not fit to serve.

re: #207 Son of the Black Dog

strokes-heart attack- fast stuff runs in family--and not from smoking--and a stash of pills would work too-just sayin'

re: #212 Iron Fist

yes--they will- but it isnt because he smokes IMHO

re: #204 J.D.

W didn't.

And I have a deep respect for W. Imperfections and all.

His mistakes, and he's made some, are troubling for just that reason. He's on my team. And when he makes a mistake, that's a mistake my team has made. That's a mistake that my team is going to have to make up for. So goes sports. So goes war. I don't know what team O plays for. That worries me.

Wonder who gets the job of going out and actually buying the cigs ... same ole same ole from him ... lies when the truth would be better ...lie of omission ...his favorite ... I don't care if he smokes or not ...it is always the lies that get you ... Slick Nick ...

I respect the office ...not The Obama ...

nyc redneck (#210),

brokow was the authority figure.

Being pathetically needy for approval eliminates your authority.

re: #215 JacksonTn

wtf? whos goes out and buys micheels kotex--what diff does it make?

re: #214 USCMSNE

I hear ya.

btw, what does uscmsne stand for?

Obama Lied About Quitting the Coffin Nails

Geez, we expected the truth from him, all of a sudden?

re: #218 mikeymom

wtf? whos goes out and buys micheels kotex--what diff does it make?

I am not talking about the fact that he smokes ... could not care less ...it is that it has to be hidden ...so the person is not able to probably say who they are getting the cigs for ...doubt anyone wonders whether Mechelle is using sanitary napkins ...

re: #174 reine.de.tout

Yep.
Or a southerner.

Now and then it telegraphs a sad a human being, too. Less and less though.

Gee, am I really such a libertine among paragons who never sneaked a smoke or told a lie or broke their own hearts with a massive fail at something that mattered? I can't get all angry about this one, and yes--I do sympathize with people made miserable by the struggle. So bullshit your own self--does everything have to be a damned fistfight.

re: #9 Son of the Black Dog

Why am I not surprised?

The list of what BHO has NOT lied about would be shorter.

A blank page.

re: #222 Joan

Now and then it telegraphs a sad a human being, too. Less and less though.

Gee, am I really such a libertine among paragons who never sneaked a smoke or told a lie or broke their own hearts with a massive fail at something that mattered? I can't get all angry about this one, and yes--I do sympathize with people made miserable by the struggle. So bullshit your own self--does everything have to be a damned fistfight.

amen.

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, my young nephew is being taught in school that smoking is equivalent to crack. I mentioned this to his father, and suggested that this was a wee mite of overkill--worse, in its way, than being taught (as I was in "health class") that a couple of puffs of pot guaranteed that you would end up a heroin addict.

He replied that if it kept the kid off cigarettes, no problem. I suggested that it was more likely that once the kid found that the two were not equivalent--which he is likely to do once he makes it to college--that he will toss out all the other warnings he was given.

Also reminds me of many Christians who preach that just thinking about something is the same as doing it...so why the hell wouldn't you do the sin if it's really no worse than just thinking about it?

re: #212 Iron Fist

He's going to make Carter look "Presidential". We are so well and truly fucked. The question isn't "will it be bad?" It is "How bad will it be?"

He is a very weak man. Our enemies are going to eat him up.

he won't stand a chance. imagine him coming face to face w/ putin.
O will be a bumbling discombobulated fool w/ his hope and change shit and putin will shut him down a silent stare.

When the campaign was on, liberals said they didn't want to vote for McCain because in the (likely) event of his death, Sarah Palin would become President. I told my super-lib cousin that I was more worried about Obama, and in any event, he might go first BECAUSE HE SMOKES. He refused to believe that Obama still smokes. Why didn't Brokaw bring this up earlier? Why didn't anyone, save Dennis Miller, bring it up when it counted?

re: #221 JacksonTn

but you are talking about the fact that he smokes--and it isnt illegal for some hackey to go buy him a carton-society in the last 10-15 yrs has demonized smoking-has made us pariahs--its a drug-yes--but legal-and very hard to quit--i dont like the man for his politics--but what he's been thru the last year--it would be almost impossible for any human to be under that pressure and quit nicotine at the same time--just sayi'

re: #226 nyc redneck

he won't stand a chance. imagine him coming face to face w/ putin.
O will be a bumbling discombobulated fool w/ his hope and change shit and putin will shut him down a silent stare.

Do you remember the scene in The Godfather where Michael is at the hospital where his father is and he finds the baker coming in ...he puts the baker at the front of the hospital and tells him to act like he has a gun ...the baker fumbles around for his cigarette lighter to light his cigarette ... Michael takes the lighter and lights it for him ...

I hope Putin is not lighting Obama's cig ...

re: #228 mikeymom

but you are talking about the fact that he smokes--and it isnt illegal for some hackey to go buy him a carton-society in the last 10-15 yrs has demonized smoking-has made us pariahs--its a drug-yes--but legal-and very hard to quit--i dont like the man for his politics--but what he's been thru the last year--it would be almost impossible for any human to be under that pressure and quit nicotine at the same time--just sayi'

And I am not saying I care if he smokes ...I smoke myself sometimes ...but why can't he just ever come out and say the truth without someone having to prior it from him ...

re: #197 mikeymom

isnt it amazing iron? yes, i would love to see grandkids--they are around 5 yrs from being borned--but ive seen my mom and dad in law, and now my mom in law in asst living places and nursing homes--zombies in 2 cases--NO THANKS! now--pass the vodka and ciggies!

My mom's a nurse, worked for a Neurologist for a while, learned that over half of folks over 80 have dementia of some kind or another. She's not all that excited to see age 80...just based on those odds. I have to agree.

re: #231 funky chicken

ive seen too much funky--and my mom in law just turned 90 ans is in asst living--before we got her in there, she lived w/us for 20 months-drove ME almost crazy and almost ruined a marriage--she still drives me nuts cause my hubby-her son-refuses to deal with her-lol- aww well- im getting my angel wings-one feather at a time

re: #232 mikeymom

Bless your heart.

Hmm, smoking. I admit, guilty as charged. Buzz captures my gripes about it in his posts above very well. I think it's also a generational thing. Most of the WW2 vets I've known were unapologetic smokers.I never smoked until I went in the Army and got overseas in '67. That smoking was bad for health was a very minor concern then, there were other, more immediate threats to health. Most of you that were in the service then will remember the C-rations that had a little 5-pack of cigs in them.Usually non-filtered Camels, Lucky Strikes,Pall Malls maybe occasionally Winstons or Marlboros.The military of that time almost encouraged smoking, "Smoke if you've got 'em", butt-cans in the barracks, etc.

There was also a thing called "Supplemental Pack" or "Sundries Pack", SP Pack for short, occasionally issued in the field, one per platoon. It contained 10 cartons of cigs, writing paper, toiletries, chewing tobacco, and a few boxes of that ghastly VN War version of Hershey's Tropical Chocolate, virtually unchanged from the WW2 Ration D version. Nobody wanted the unfiltered Lucky Strikes, there was one carton in these SP Packs, they were angling for the Marlboros or the Kools, so I took up Luckys.

Bless the modern military, they dont encourage smoking. I went into the Guard in the late '80s - early '90s, and it was kind of funny seeing all us old retreads sneaking outside to have a smoke, smoking didn't seem to be a major vice among the young troops. Anyway, I've sympathy for anyone trying to quit .

Who cares if the POTUS smokes?

I do.

I care if the President is an addict. That he's addicted to a legal substance is nice, but if he's sneaking and lying about it then he clearly is an addict. Do I care if he enjoys a cigar or a cigarette once in a while? No. Not exactly a great role model for kids, but the President isn't expected to be a saint.

In the same vein, I have no problem if he enjoys a cocktail or a glass or two of wine with dinner but I would have a problem if the President was a drinking alcoholic. I would have a problem if he was addicted to prescription drugs. (I'm leaving illegal substances out of this discussion because ... they're illegal.)

re: #235 JHW

have you ever tried to quit? i've made 2 major attempts-not sucessful-always some major emotional event-like my moms death for one-got me at 3 months

I'm willing to cut him a little slack on that one. When I quit smoking 25 years ago I may have fibbed a little about my being smoke-free those first few months, I think my wife suspected when I was copping a puff on my way to the lap pool, but she never let on.

re: #237 mikeymom

Pretty much the same as you, get by for 3 or 4 months and something bad happens and that ended my willpower. Now I dont try to worry about it too much, I feel lucky to have made it this long. Still, I wish I had enough willpower to give them up, they're something I'm really throwing much-needed money away on.I almost wish they charged $50 a pack for them. :)

re: #183 Son of the Black Dog

Don't blame Eisenhower, who said not to get involved in a land war in Asia. JFK was the one who decided to ramp up a small advisory mission and make a military commitment. Now, JFK did start the Special Forces, an example of doing something good for the wrong reasons.

I thought that was The Princess Bride. LOL

Thank God my dad quit smoking in his 30s. He lived into his 80s and was quite healthy for the most part -he took up bicycling in his 60s and did the Seattle-to-Portland ride several times!

Huh, I still have my doubts, but maybe he is human after all. This actually doesn't really bother me and good luck to him in hopefully kicking the habit for real. I know very few people that give it up forever, but my grandfather (WWII POW) was one of them. He figured he survived that so he wasn't going to let cigs be the thing that did him in. Turns out losing his wife of 62 years is what finally killed him.

Obama lied

re: #242 JumpLandPackRepeat

yeah--that commom-you see the obits all the time-long term marriages--folks in their 80's-90's go within a few months of each other-sad and poignant-mom in law is very lonely- dad went in '05- but is really very strong physically (she denies it of course)-gonna live to be 150-

re: #237 mikeymom

have you ever tried to quit? i've made 2 major attempts-not sucessful-always some major emotional event-like my moms death for one-got me at 3 months

Nicotine addiction appears to be a subjective thing. Many people find it nearly impossible to quit smoking. Many others don't but you don't hear much about them. There is strong evidence that the addiction is much more behavioral than physical. People I know who have gone through programs based on behavioral therapy have had an extremely high rate of success quitting, usually after several unsuccessful attempts with more "traditional" programs.

I didn't need a program at all. I've been allergic to cigarette smoke as long as I can remember. I always smoked the weakest cigarettes I could find and I quit when I got tired of feeling nauseous and dizzy but most of all I couldn't stand the smell any more. Why did I smoke in the first place? Try kissing someone who smokes if you don't. Without throwing up.

If smokers had the remotest clue how badly their breath and their hair and their clothes reek, most would probably quit out of sheer fright. Every time I look at P-E Obama, I can't help but think about that.

re: #243 Iron Fist

my dad was a 3 pack a day smoker--had an almost fatal heart attack in '87--begged us for cigs in hospital- died 3 months later in his archie bunker chair watching usa olympic hockey team--wish i could go as happily and easily--

A liar AND an addictive personality! Woo hoo! We're in for some fun.

re: #245 mikeymom

Yeah, almost 5 months to the day, he just gave up. We all knew he wouldn't last long if he didn't have her. He just wandered around the house lost and just didn't know what to do with himself. My grandmother started smoking when she was 18 and smoked like a chimney until she died at 84.

From the article:

First, the political news: He appointed retired Gen. Eric Shinseki as head of the Veterans Administration. He was the officer who told Congress that hundreds of thousands more U.S. troops would be needed for victory in Iraq before the Bush administration decided it needed more troops in Iraq, though not hundreds of thousands.

I wonder what the libs will say about this?

quiting tobacco can be terribly difficult. especially under stress.

I have smoked or chewed tobacco for 25 years and quit 2 years ago.

in those 25 years that I was regular I quite numerous times for up to 8 months to a year. this is the first time period I feel really disconected to the old habit.

so to obama I say, smoke up buddy boy, cus stress in the white house will be a killer.

My dad quit cold turkey when he was in his twenties. One day he realized he had a cig in the ashtray, one in his hand and was reaching for another. Lived to be 88.

smokers always light up when the chips are down!
Or at least in Sin City
Jack Rafferty: ...Hntells you somethin 'bout your sstate a' mind don't it?... Ss'got you hearin things'got yer nerves shot. S'got you ssmoking... You know it's truuue nobody ever really quitsss... Smoker's a smoker when the chips're downn and your chips're down, pretty much
Dwight: I'm fine, you shut the hell up.

re: #246 Lynn B.

... There is strong evidence that the [nicotine] addiction is much more behavioral than physical*.

*... after the first 48 hours, during which the physical addiction is extremely stong.

Important caveat.

re: #253 Iron Fist

you forgot to throw the golden gate in free as my good friend George Strait would say

re: #251 rumcrook

continued success rum---and i wish mr obama success if he tries to quit-i dont like him- but after all, jfk was addicted to women. i dont think cigs are as bad-

MR. BROKAW: Have you stopped smoking?

PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: You know, I have, but what I said was that, you know, there are times where I've fallen off the wagon. Well...

MR. BROKAW: Well, wait a minute.

PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: ...what can I tell...

MR. BROKAW: Then that means you haven't stopped.

PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: Well, the--fair enough.

Bald faced, caught red-handed.

re: #255 Lynn B.

sorry-dont agree-nicotine withdrwal is VERY physical--for weeks if not months

weet dreams all- need a wine and a cig--bless you all

Non-smokers, this is for you and you only. OK? Here we go. Non-smokers die everyday. Sleep tight. -Bill Hicks

I am not a smoker, nor have I ever smoked but I hear it's really tough to quit. Most of us do have a vice or two ~ over eating, excessive drinking, drugs, spending too much time at the office, internet, etc. (Not that they're anything to be proud of.) Let's just be honest about ourselves.

So this is a new discovery, Obama lies?

Character is one word you will never associate with Obama. But not to worry, there are plenty of other good words that you can.

Umm..ok not exactly a damning "lie" here. I'm sure he at least tried to quit.

Honestly, I believe BHO has an addictive personality.
With his history of cocaine use and cigarettes. The people that get addicted with and addictive personality are the ones who struggle the most...just my 2cents

re: #259 mikeymom

sorry-dont agree-nicotine withdrwal is VERY physical--for weeks if not months

As I said, the experience tends to be subjective. No one can tell you that you didn't experience what you experienced. But the bio-chemical and physiological analysis that has been explained to me (by people who understand it ... I don't) shows that the nicotine is basically out of your system in about 48 hours. That should mean a dramatic decrease in physical symptoms but YMMV. The power of mind over matter is not to be underestimated.

"Do you mind if I smoke? No, do you mind if I fart? It's one of my habits."
- Steve Martin

This is one of the few times that I'm going to give BHO a full-out pass on an issue. I really do not feel that this is something that is going to cause major problems for the nation or anything like that. Also, smokers have been known to be very socially open with each other and there are a lot of chain smokers in Eastern Europe and Asia. So maybe BHO's smoking will actually be good for America diplomatically!

/trying to see the upside of things.

re: #39 LoFlyer

Who cares and what does smoking have to do with running the country mates? If this is our criteria for judging political fitness we are doomed as a country. Give Obama a break guys, he deserves a chance and you are hammering him on BS. Kennedy smoked and no one gave a damn. What is the difference?

over 40 years of cultural change?

is it wrong that i'm picturing antoine from the dave chappell show needing a fix
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re: #251 rumcrook

quiting tobacco can be terribly difficult. especially under stress.

I have smoked or chewed tobacco for 25 years and quit 2 years ago.

in those 25 years that I was regular I quite numerous times for up to 8 months to a year. this is the first time period I feel really disconected to the old habit.

so to obama I say, smoke up buddy boy, cus stress in the white house will be a killer.

bullshit: i quit smoking while i was still repossessing cars in all the *best* parts of LA back during the crack explosion of the 80's.

personally, i hope he smokes, chews and takes snuff, all at the same time.

/no sympathy

re: #264 Ezekiel2517

Umm..ok not exactly a damning "lie" here. I'm sure he at least tried to quit.

do, or not do: there is no "try".

sympathy is in the dictionary, right between shit and syphilis.

i guess quiting is above his pay grade too.

re: #255 Lynn B.

*... after the first 48 hours, during which the physical addiction is extremely stong.

Important caveat.

so you tough out the first 72 hours or so, then you apply enough self discipline to defeat the psychological part over the next 30 days or so.

after that, you simply refuse to be weak...

or you don't.

/some leader he is.

Since he's going to be the next FDR he needs to get a nice long cigarette holder and go around with that clenched in his teeth while wearing a nice jaunty fedora

re: #274 bobko