MPACUK Will No Longer Condemn Terrorism

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World • Mon Dec 8, 2008 at 3:06 pm PST • Views: 209

Britain’s looniest radical Islamic group MPACUK comes out in favor of terrorist violence, and posts a video of Black Panther Stokely Carmichael to illustrate their point: MPACUK - Understanding The Philosophy Of Muslim Violence.

MPACUK, unlike the many other Muslim groups out there, have not just pioneered the best solution against any terrorist attack in mainland Britain (i.e. get the mosques and ISOCs to teach democracy) but has now embarked in cutting through the media propaganda to reach British Muslims, and hopefully non-Muslims, and informing them of the true nature of Muslim violence.

We know it will get us in trouble with the media; make us targets for the government elites who want to hide this from you. We are prepared to pay the price. Most Muslim groups in the UK are still silent, or worse apologising, so they can get the ‘moderate’ medal of dishonour from their masters. We prefer the truth - no matter what they call us.

We realised that until the public understand why many in the Muslim world are reacting so violently to them, they will neither know the cause of the deaths of so many innocents on both sides or know how to solve it. We simply no longer feel that the most vocal parties who claim to be countering terrorism are sincere to the very cause they talk of.

We will no longer be part of the deliberate attempt to keep the public confused on the issue of terrorism. We will not be part of the apologetic Muslim leaders who blame their own community for terrorism. We will not condemn, nor allow ourselves to be condemned by governing elites who are more interested in a political stunt than saving lives. No more politics and propaganda when it comes terrorism - its the truth and nothing else.

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

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1 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:08:14pm

Great- does this mean they'll start saying jihad is justified in the koran?

2 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:08:25pm

Well, that makes it all OK then doesn't it?

/

3 Sizzlack  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:08:53pm
No more politics and propaganda when it comes terrorism - its the truth and nothing else

And the truth in their eyes is what...indiscriminate murder?

4 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:09:10pm

Do that mean a African is equal in the eyes of another mUslim?

5 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:10:22pm

I can't post what I really think in fear of getting booted.

6 J.S.  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:11:15pm

Well, here in Canada, what I've heard (since 9/12/2001) is that the real terrorists are Americans, Israelis, etc. And that has been one of the staples of the MSM here..(that's the "Muslims are the Victims, the Victims, I tell you," meme, repeated a trillion times).

7 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:11:38pm

I think I missed the truth part--where is it? I'm confused...

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:12:32pm
We realised that until the public understand why many in the Muslim world are reacting so violently to them, they will neither know the cause of the deaths of so many innocents on both sides or know how to solve it.

Indeed! Let us be honest- dar al islam is at war with dar al harb. This is where the conflict arrises. The solution is to "revert" to islam. Muslims who say otherwise are apostates.

Of course- I'm an infidel, and that means my above comment is islamophobic. However, if mpacuk were to say this, I think that would be great. Drop the bullshit and speak the truth.

9 shane  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:13:00pm

In a way it is the Western governments fault. If they wouldn't be such pansies and go after these guys with a vengence, the muslims(i would say muslim terrorists but that repetative) would be afraid to attack us. So in a way, being spineless and PC have made terrorism grow. However, I don't think that is what this tool is talking about.

10 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:13:24pm

So basically they are saying that they understand, apologize for, and otherwise condone terrorism.

11 sleepyone  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:13:29pm

Well, MPACUK, I will no longer defend Islam.

Oh wait, I never did that...

12 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:14:42pm

re: #10 Thanos

So basically they are saying that they understand, apologize for, and otherwise condone terrorism.

That's kind of what I got out of it. Anyone else?

13 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:14:45pm

News at 11.
MPACUK ends the practice of self-condemnation

14 talon_262  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:15:06pm

Glad that the MPACUK has decided to drop the "moderate Muslim" mask, but it's nothing that anyone who had half a brain and payed attention didn't already know...still, that they've decided to be "truthful" in regards to terrorism shows that they think they're on the winning side of history.

Hate to tell you, Stokely et al, but the more you come out in support of terrorists, the more infidels will start to pay attention and act against you.

15 Code Red 21  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:15:17pm

re: #7 twincitiesgirl

I think I missed the truth part--where is it? I'm confused...

I'm with you I can't figure it out..but it seems like they don't know what it is either.

16 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:15:49pm
17 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:16:00pm
informing them of the true nature of Muslim violence.


pardon me, but they already did this on 7-7, right?

18 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:16:02pm

That video was very disturbing. Tons of big words that sounded like they came from some Marxist playbook. That man had no clue what he was saying. He was just parroting words that he had been taught. He just made a very pretzel like argument that violence against white people was OK because white people used violence against black people.

19 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:16:10pm

No more politics and propaganda when it comes terrorism - its the truth and nothing else.

? My head hurts.

20 Lazarus  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:16:14pm

re: #9 shane

In a way it is the Western governments fault. If they wouldn't be such pansies and go after these guys with a vengence, the muslims(i would say muslim terrorists but that repetative) would be afraid to attack us. So in a way, being spineless and PC have made terrorism grow. However, I don't think that is what this tool is talking about.

In a big, big way. We could end the threat if we wanted to.

21 J.S.  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:16:40pm

re: #10 Thanos

Yes. And that the perpetrators of violence are Westerners, and the innocent victims are Muslims...(again, this has been going on for the past 7 plus years...nearly a decade...)

22 scott in east bay  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:17:02pm

Well, at least we know now where the bloody heathens stand.

23 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:17:11pm

Beautiful, great, fan-TAS-tic. Now any time some media guys cite these bas*** I can change the channel. Seriously, what makes this "root causes" schtick so damn appealing? Is it the idea that you can "buy off" people who want to kill you!?

25 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:17:28pm

There will never be a solution to crazy.

26 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:18:25pm

whoa...High Noon in the UK

27 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:18:48pm

This is the classic 'The Devil Made Me Do It" defense.
If the Infidel wasn't such an Infidel, then we wouldn't have to be violent.
See it's not their fault, It's yours

28 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:19:30pm

re: #5 NYCHardhat

I can't post what I really think in fear of getting booted.

Yeah, but did they EVER really condemn it. . .

29 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:20:09pm

I expect them to delete this post soon. They can't possibly expect to get away with at least pretending to denounce terrorism.

30 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:20:22pm

Victimology 101.

31 Dave the.....  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:20:26pm

NRO had another article today on Britain's demographic problem. Right now their are more pensioners then there are people under 16. And the majority (by far it sounds like) of those under 16 are Muslim immigrants, the children of immigrants, or grandchildren (remember, this isn't the US where a grandparent immigrant came hear 75 years ago. We are talking more recent).

They make a point that 20 years from now, there will be these elderly Anglo-Saxons living on the gov't dole in nursing homes, while the new demographic is paying the taxes. Wondering if there will be some kind of revolt against that by the younger crowd.

32 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:20:35pm

re: #21 J.S.

Yes. And that the perpetrators of violence are Westerners, and the innocent victims are Muslims...(again, this has been going on for the past 7 plus years...nearly a decade...)

You really meant to say "the last thousand years or so" didn't you?
/

33 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:20:57pm

re: #27 opnion

It is fascinating that they no longer pretend to be in control of their own behavior.

34 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:21:08pm

re: #28 DisturbedEma

Yeah, but did they EVER really condemn it. . .

Of course not. That is the problem.

35 J.S.  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:21:38pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

You can't be serious...It's the UK, Killgore.

36 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:21:39pm

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

Correction: Stokely Carmichael was not a Black Panther.

Incorrect; he was the "Honorary Prime Minister" of the Black Panther Party.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

37 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:21:49pm

Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?
I repeat.
Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?

38 JumpLandPackRepeat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:03pm

"We know it will get us in trouble with the media"

LOL...what media are they talking about? They're likely to get offered an op-ed piece.

39 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:04pm

I like the Bart Simpson defense:

I didn't do it. No one saw me do it. You can't prove anything!

40 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:12pm

re: #18 JohnnyReb

That video was very disturbing. Tons of big words that sounded like they came from some Marxist playbook. That man had no clue what he was saying. He was just parroting words that he had been taught. He just made a very pretzel like argument that violence against white people was OK because white people used violence against black people.

Remember "in Living Color"? Damon Wayans had a skit where he used long words that made no sense and was a "prison activist"

"the rejectivication of our oppressination will result in our jubliation from emascilation"

Word

41 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:31pm

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks, I'd never heard of the guy before.

42 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:37pm

Well I will sleep better now that thats all cleared up.
/s

43 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:47pm

re: #30 Daisy

Victimology 101.

A major already offered on the east and west coasts. . .

44 J.S.  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:48pm

re: #32 Soona'

Yes, in North America the bombing of the WTC began on 9/11/2001, but for other nations...much, much longer...

45 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:48pm

re: #31 Dave the...

NRO had another article today on Britain's demographic problem. Right now their are more pensioners then there are people under 16. And the majority (by far it sounds like) of those under 16 are Muslim immigrants, the children of immigrants, or grandchildren (remember, this isn't the US where a grandparent immigrant came hear 75 years ago. We are talking more recent).

They make a point that 20 years from now, there will be these elderly Anglo-Saxons living on the gov't dole in nursing homes, while the new demographic is paying the taxes. Wondering if there will be some kind of revolt against that by the younger crowd.


IMO it is not going to take 20 years. For starters most of the "youths" are jobless (or working off the books) and not paying taxes. It will start sooner than that.

46 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:22:59pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

It is fascinating that they no longer pretend to be in control of their own behavior.

I got that too, "you made me do it!"

47 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:23:00pm

re: #42 DEZes

Well I will sleep better now that thats all cleared up.
/s

for sure. . .

48 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:23:05pm

re: #40 DisturbedEma

Remember "in Living Color"? Damon Wayans had a skit where he used long words that made no sense and was a "prison activist"

"the rejectivication of our oppressination will result in our jubliation from emascilation"

Word

That's an obamanation!

49 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:23:08pm

re: #37 Daisy

Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?
I repeat.
Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?


stand up sheikh , let em see ya.
oh God love ya

50 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:23:09pm

My oldest brought home an assignment from school last year. It was February and Black History Month. One of the possible subjects for his paper was Stokely Carmichael and the Black Panthers. He did a lot of research and wrote a paper that basically called Mr. Carmichael and the BP a bunch of violent criminals. He got a "C" on the paper. So, I wrote a letter back to his teacher and asked her to point out the mistakes and false statements in my sons paper. She wrote back that she was changing his grade to "B", but, added that he MISSED THE POINT about the Black Panthers...it wasn't the violence and criminal behavior we should remember them for, it's their intentions and their effect on the Civil Right Movement, in general.

So, this lily white teacher in one of the most conservative school districts in one of the most conservative areas in the USA thinks the Black Panthers had a positive effect on race relations and the Civil Rights Movement. I told my son, welcome to "higher education", and that he was going to get this kind of sludge in many classes in college the following year. But, I also told him to read up on things for himself. Read both sides and from all angles to make a decision about something. He told me he thinks the BP's were nothing but violent black separatists that did way more harm to the black community than any help they may have accidentally managed to do.

51 bosforus  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:23:14pm

Well as long as you're not willing to condemn violence from your side don't expect any condemnation of our own violence from our side- oh, wait, spoke too soon, I forgot about the left.

52 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:23:18pm

"We realised that until the public understand why many in the Muslim world are reacting so violently to them, they will neither know the cause of the deaths of so many innocents on both sides or know how to solve it."

"Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and
the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are
the worst of men."
[Link: www.asksam.com...]

So to paraphrase: Just surrender, and we'll stop the violence.

53 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:23:53pm

re: #37 Daisy

Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?
I repeat.
Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?

Anyone anyone?

54 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:24:14pm

re: #49 Shug

stand up sheikh , let em see ya.
oh God love ya

Upding!

55 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:24:30pm

re: #37 Daisy

Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?
I repeat.
Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?

Thats like asking Barack to be Reagan. It won't happen. I want to see the Muslims that are outraged that their religion has been highjacked. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

56 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:24:30pm

re: #21 J.S.

Yes. And that the perpetrators of violence are Westerners, and the innocent victims are Muslims...(again, this has been going on for the past 7 plus years...nearly a decade...)

This is right in line with the "anti terror" fatwa from Darul Uloom, the Deobandi Wahhabist central in India. Basically the "terror" they were talking about was state terror. It's trying to flip the argument, and the moral high ground. It will work in certain muslim areas, but most sane people are going to see right through this.

57 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:24:38pm

re: #52 jaunte

"We realised that until the public understand why many in the Muslim world are reacting so violently to them, they will neither know the cause of the deaths of so many innocents on both sides or know how to solve it."

"Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and
the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are
the worst of men."
[Link: www.asksam.com...]

So to paraphrase: Just surrender, and we'll stop the violence.

Exactly!

58 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:24:47pm

re: #35 J.S.

They still have to play the game if they want to be taken seriously even in the UK. They have to condemn terrorism "in all its forms" etc. It's code but they still have to put on the show. If they plan on openly supporting terrorism they're in for a tough time.

59 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:24:47pm
60 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:25:10pm

re: #53 DisturbedEma

Anyone anyone?

Ya beat me. Nice one!

61 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:25:16pm

re: #36 Charles

There's this too: "Born in Port of Spain, Trinidad, Stokely Carmichael moved to Harlem, New York City in 1952 at age eleven to rejoin his parents,[2] who had left him with his grandmother and two aunts to emigrate when he was two. He attended the elite[3]Tranquility School in Trinidad until his parents were able to send for him.

Apparently, the tranquility part didn't take.

62 bosforus  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:25:49pm

re: #52 jaunte

So to paraphrase: Just surrender, and we'll stop the violence.

When you get down to it, it's nothing more than a Homer Simpson-esque mentality. I'm reminded of his quote, Marge, it takes two to lie: one to lie and one to believe the lie. It's so blatantly and fundamentally wrong that you just don't know where or how to begin with a counter argument.

63 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:25:52pm
64 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:26:58pm

re: #50 Desert Dog

Changed the grade? Wow. . .missed the point about the subject, not the assignment? WTF. . .then she should have said the assignment was that he should report the conclusions she already made. . .and then he would get an A. . .I would say "unbelievable" BUT I know better.

65 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:27:02pm

re: #40 DisturbedEma

Remember "in Living Color"? Damon Wayans had a skit where he used long words that made no sense and was a "prison activist"

"the rejectivication of our oppressination will result in our jubliation from emascilation"

Word

Don't give Obama any ideas for his inaugeration speech.

66 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:27:08pm

OT, but still.

Obama said on Sunday that lawful gun owners have "nothing to fear" from his incoming administration so there is no reason for Americans to stock up on guns.

Check the qualifier.

Lawful. So let's say that my FN FAL is legal now, then Barry gets the laws changed and it now becomes an illegal firearm, like it did in California. I now have something to fear because Bary just made me an unlawful gunowner.

I think we all have much to fear from this man.

67 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:28:17pm

re: #60 NYCHardhat

Ya beat me. Nice one!

My best friend's brothers girlfriend knows this guy who knows this kid who saw Moderate Muslims at 31 flavors last night. . .

Thank you Simone:)

68 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:28:23pm

re: #66 father_of_10

OT, but still.

Obama said on Sunday that lawful gun owners have "nothing to fear" from his incoming administration so there is no reason for Americans to stock up on guns.

Check the qualifier.

Lawful. So let's say that my FN FAL is legal now, then Barry gets the laws changed and it now becomes an illegal firearm, like it did in California. I now have something to fear because Bary just made me an unlawful gunowner.

I think we all have much to fear from this man.


unlawful gun owners have even less to fear

69 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:29:08pm

re: #65 Soona'

Don't give Obama any ideas for his inaugeration speech.

I copywrite for posterity, emasciliation. . .:)

70 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:29:09pm

re: #25 NYCHardhat

There will never be a solution to crazy.

Why not? You just be crazier and scare the sheet outta them - like right quick.

Look at this crap:

Bombay — Of the many conspiracies about the bombings here doing the rounds in this part of the world, two are my favorites.

The first one is popular in Pakistan and among parts of the Muslim population here in India. It maintains that the Indian security services, perhaps with the help of the CIA and Mossad, arranged the attacks on Bombay. The killings at the hotels and the train station were partly designed to blacken the name of Islam (the theory goes), but mostly part of devilish plan to assassinate the top police officer investigating Hindu fundamentalist terrorism against Muslims.

Now... are you going to tell me between our Troofer's & Nither's we can't come-up with some scary, load-dropping, wet-crotch knickers schtuff?

Come on.

71 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:29:30pm

re: #50 Desert Dog

Your story brings tears to my eyes. Good for your son; it can be lonely at the top. Hopefully, more of his generation will join him.

72 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:29:33pm

re: #68 Shug

unlawful gun owners have even less to fear

Yeah, No fear whatsoever. . .

73 Kragar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:29:46pm

To paraphrase the MPACUK; "Kill, kill, kill the white man. Kill him until he is dead."

74 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:29:58pm

re: #59 albusteve

Huh?

75 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:30:25pm

re: #66 father_of_10

OT, but still.

Obama said on Sunday that lawful gun owners have "nothing to fear" from his incoming administration so there is no reason for Americans to stock up on guns.

Check the qualifier.

Lawful. So let's say that my FN FAL is legal now, then Barry gets the laws changed and it now becomes an illegal firearm, like it did in California. I now have something to fear because Bary just made me an unlawful gunowner.

I think we all have much to fear from this man.

Way ahead of you. . .

76 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:30:30pm

re: #70 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Now... are you going to tell me between our Troofer's & Nither's we can't come-up with some scary, load-dropping, wet-crotch knickers schtuff?

Come on.

I will rephrase that... There is no peaceful solution to crazy.

77 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:30:41pm

They don't wear a towel on their heads, so it isn't right to call them "[bigoted word]s.

It isn't a diaper they wear on their heads either, so it is wrong to reger to them a diaper heads

I believe it is a sheet.

78 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:30:49pm
79 J.S.  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:30:50pm

re: #56 Thanos

I vividly recall (it was within weeks of 9/11) in which Muslim apologists were at a CBC "town forum" in which Americans were blamed for the existence of Osama bin Laden, that Americans were to blame for Muslim rage, that Americas were the guilty party -- not Muslims, Americans. And that particular line was then repeated over and over again by virtually everyone...(so, I don't know, maybe a large portion of Canada is insane...but, to this day, I "don't get it." I cannot, I will not, I refuse to go along with the majority of Canadians who either claim "America was to blame" or offer their heart-felt "sympathies" for murderous terrorists...oh, and after 7/7 in the UK -- Canadians, in large numbers, again sided with the terrorists...)

80 tappin52  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:31:34pm

re: #37 Daisy

Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?
I repeat.
Will the real Moderate Muslims please stand up?

Define moderate...///

81 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:31:42pm

re: #75 DisturbedEma

Way ahead of you. . .

That's usually the case.

82 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:31:49pm

re: #64 DisturbedEma

My sons got virtually straight "A's" in High School (and now in college as well). He got a "B" from that teacher...the worst teacher he ever had IMHO

83 Clubsec  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:31:53pm

All I needed to know about Islam I learned on September 11, 2001. Nothing put forth by the Muslim community or their religious leaders has altered in any way my undestanding of their beliefs, proposals or plans. Any 'community' that can hold a grudge (a deadly one at that) for well over a century is not one I wish to join or emulate. Resistance is not futile.

84 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:32:03pm

re: #79 J.S.

I vividly recall (it was within weeks of 9/11) in which Muslim apologists were at a CBC "town forum" in which Americans were blamed for the existence of Osama bin Laden, that Americans were to blame for Muslim rage, that Americas were the guilty party -- not Muslims, Americans. And that particular line was then repeated over and over again by virtually everyone...(so, I don't know, maybe a large portion of Canada is insane...but, to this day, I "don't get it." I cannot, I will not, I refuse to go along with the majority of Canadians who either claim "America was to blame" or offer their heart-felt "sympathies" for murderous terrorists...oh, and after 7/7 in the UK -- Canadians, in large numbers, again sided with the terrorists...)

Battered Nation syndrome? Some have just heard over and over their "crimes" and believe it?

85 Jay777  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:32:26pm

The news just gets worse and worse in this world.

86 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:32:34pm

re: #77 father_of_10

They don't wear a towel on their heads, so it isn't right to call them "Arabs.

It isn't a diaper they wear on their heads either, so it is wrong to reger to them a diaper heads

I believe it is a sheet.


Yes & many of them are little sheets.

87 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:32:51pm

re: #79 J.S.

they are spitting on every single person who had his guts ripped to shreads and burned to a crisp on 9-11 and 7-7

will they be so loving and kind when terrorism comes to Canada?

FOOLS

88 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:33:00pm

Am I the only one who thinks mpacuk is renouncing taqiyya? I think that might be a bigger problem for them than not condemning terrorism.

89 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:33:18pm

I love how if you watch the video on the link, it implies all the terrorism that we see was learnt by the Muslims from the West.

That's supposed to be the truth.

90 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:34:01pm

re: #80 tappin52

Define moderate...///

I think you just did. Need I say more?

91 The Hoopster  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:34:03pm

re: #36 Charles

Incorrect; he was the "Honorary Prime Minister" of the Black Panther Party.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Hope this doesn't kill my karma..
I met top cat of the black panther party once..
One of the coolest people I have ever had the chance to talk to..
Here is a link: [Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]
I'm not saying i know alot about Top Cat..But I walked away impressed with his kindness and honesty..
Don't down ding me.. I met the guy..he seemed cool...

92 Kragar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:34:49pm

OT

At least 2 dead in San Diego from the F-18 crash

93 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:34:49pm

re: #66 father_of_10

Obama said on Sunday that lawful gun owners have "nothing to fear" from his incoming administration so there is no reason for Americans to stock up on guns.

More signs:
Fox news this morning reported a story about a city councilman (from which city I forget) who was encouraging his constituents to get concealed carry licenses because the police were unable to protect them from rampant crime.
Tax money was allocated to hire 125 additional officers, but the PD, according to the councilman, didn't ant to spend the money that way, and hired only 25 more.

The story was about police unresponsiveness. The slant the Fox reporter took was "doesn't it worry you that all these people will be walking around with guns?"

94 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:36:06pm
95 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:36:16pm

re: #88 Sharmuta

Am I the only one who thinks mpacuk is renouncing taqiyya? I think that might be a bigger problem for them than not condemning terrorism.

So come on out and let your hatred be known?

96 jelo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:36:28pm

re: #77 father_of_10

They don't wear a towel on their heads, so it isn't right to call them "Arabs.

It isn't a diaper they wear on their heads either, so it is wrong to reger to them a diaper heads

I believe it is a sheet.

sooo...you are calling them sheetheads!

97 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:36:29pm

re: #91 HoosierHoops

Hope this doesn't kill my karma..
I met top cat of the black panther party once..
One of the coolest people I have ever had the chance to talk to..
Here is a link: [Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]
I'm not saying i know alot about Top Cat..But I walked away impressed with his kindness and honesty..
Don't down ding me.. I met the guy..he seemed cool...


And that Hoops is why Indiana is having such a pissy season. (kidding)

98 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:36:46pm

re: #76 NYCHardhat

Oh...well. If that's the case we can really put the fear of cartoon's into them. :-)

99 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:05pm

re: #93 jaunte

More signs:
Fox news this morning reported a story about a city councilman (from which city I forget) who was encouraging his constituents to get concealed carry licenses because the police were unable to protect them from rampant crime.
Tax money was allocated to hire 125 additional officers, but the PD, according to the councilman, didn't ant to spend the money that way, and hired only 25 more.

The story was about police unresponsiveness. The slant the Fox reporter took was "doesn't it worry you that all these people will be walking around with guns?"

My answer is no.

100 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:06pm

re: #82 Desert Dog

My sons got virtually straight "A's" in High School (and now in college as well). He got a "B" from that teacher...the worst teacher he ever had IMHO

I had a TA in college- I was ready to hand in my indoctrination 101 paper- Political science, which if you know the major, is pretty funny since voting and actual people and parties are really supposed to be part of it. . .any how, I was frustrated by what I wrote, and made the comment that "when I grow up, I am going to write a paper that is actually what I believe" He looked at me and said "What?"

I kind of freaked and said, well, it is just really hard to trust anyone will grade me fairly when I DISAGREE. He looked pained, and told me to take the paper back and write one that was more me. I did, got the A and he wrote on my paper- "you have learned a valuable lesson. if it is worth writing, it is worth fighting for"

Skip- I never forgot ya! Hope he is teaching someplace that values him. . .a rare jewel in my undergrad career. . .

101 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:18pm
102 J.S.  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:22pm

re: #84 DisturbedEma

I can't figure it out...(at the same time that Canada is sending troops into Afghanistan, we listen to the apologists for Islamist radicals and terrorism on CBC and supporters of terrorists writing articles/opinion pieces, etc., in Leftist newspapers...and huge numbers pf the public then believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories, etc.)

103 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:26pm

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

Horowitz's autobiography and a couple other books are real eye-openers on the subject, and I highly recommend them.

104 Kragar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:29pm
105 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:35pm

re: #93 jaunte
But buying guns IS STIMULATING the economy...Yes?

106 yochanan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:47pm

the panthers were just a politicized gang. not much different than the non politicized gangs

107 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:50pm

re: #96 jelo

sooo...you are calling them sheetheads!

Does that make Dinner jacket, short sheet?

108 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:37:50pm

re: #69 DisturbedEma

I copywrite for posterity, emasciliation. . .:)

Our elementality will exhumatiously cancelate our prepondering enemies.
YES WE CAN!
/

109 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:38:35pm

re: #101 buzzsawmonkey

I hope it's beer batter.

I have always preferred breading. . .

110 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:38:41pm

What I find interesting, and what matches with things I'm seeing elsewhere, this matches the agitprop of violent marxism, and it appears that many former Islamist groups are starting to drift from Islamist to Marxist.

This is a dangerous trend simply because they will find much more support from non muslims with marxism as opposed to the support they will Islamism. It's like they are going back to PLO early days.

111 Shane  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:38:56pm

One of the brilliant muslim leaders said that there are a billion muslims and we can't kill them all. That is the belief we are fighting. We can kill them all, we would just like them to figure it out before we have too.

112 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:38:56pm

re: #88 Sharmuta

I think this statement:

"We know it will get us in trouble with the media; make us targets for the government elites who want to hide this from you. We are prepared to pay the price."


means that they've calculated they won't have to pay much of a price in the U.K. for coming out with what they truly think.

113 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:39:28pm

re: #91 HoosierHoops

Hope this doesn't kill my karma..
I met top cat of the black panther party once..
One of the coolest people I have ever had the chance to talk to..
Here is a link: [Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]
I'm not saying i know alot about Top Cat..But I walked away impressed with his kindness and honesty..
Don't down ding me.. I met the guy..he seemed cool...

He must be the one who wasn't involved in killing the friend of David Horowitz.

114 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:39:47pm

re: #93 jaunte

More signs:
Fox news this morning reported a story about a city councilman (from which city I forget) who was encouraging his constituents to get concealed carry licenses because the police were unable to protect them from rampant crime.
Tax money was allocated to hire 125 additional officers, but the PD, according to the councilman, didn't ant to spend the money that way, and hired only 25 more.

The story was about police unresponsiveness. The slant the Fox reporter took was "doesn't it worry you that all these people will be walking around with guns?"

that was St Louis I do believe.

115 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:39:56pm

re: #23 davinvalkri

Beautiful, great, fan-TAS-tic. Now any time some media guys cite these bas*** I can change the channel. Seriously, what makes this "root causes" schtick so damn appealing? Is it the idea that you can "buy off" people who want to kill you!?

Yeah. Protection racket. Oh, and it's the obsession with moral relativism on the left: there are no bad people, only sick ones. They have a lot more in common with snake handlers than they would ever dream...

116 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:40:01pm

re: #108 Soona'

Our elementality will exhumatiously cancelate our prepondering enemies.
YES WE CAN!
/

Foschnizel!

117 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:40:14pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

Huh?

dead post and rightly so I guess...I'm just afraid bold jestures like this are gonna push europe to the tipping point

118 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:41:08pm

re: #107 Shug

Does that make Dinner jacket, short sheet?

or just a Little Sheet?

119 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:41:21pm

re: #99 NYCHardhat

There's a statistic we all need to get and hammer people with: how many crimes are committed each year with legally owned and registered guns? That would be useful to know.

120 tappin52  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:41:29pm

re: #108 Soona'

Our elementality will exhumatiously cancelate our prepondering enemies.
YES WE CAN!
/

My husband, a retired Corrections Lieutenant would call that "inmate talk".

121 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:42:05pm

re: #105 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm doing my best; I'm just looking for an accessory kit to make the
FS2000 look more like a vacuum cleaner.
[Link: www.fnhusa.com...]

122 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:42:33pm

re: #91 HoosierHoops

Hope this doesn't kill my karma..
I met top cat of the black panther party once..
One of the coolest people I have ever had the chance to talk to..
Here is a link: [Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]
I'm not saying i know alot about Top Cat..But I walked away impressed with his kindness and honesty..
Don't down ding me.. I met the guy..he seemed cool...

I met Jamie Charbonault back in the 90's. He seemed like a nice guy. Kinda cool. But he was still in prison for murder.

Top Kat may be cool, but even Stalin had a lover.

123 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:43:02pm

re: #114 kcladderman

Thanks; I didn't catch the city.

124 jelo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:43:06pm

re: #118 Daisy

piece-of-sheet

125 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:44:03pm

re: #93 jaunte

More signs:
Fox news this morning reported a story about a city councilman (from which city I forget) who was encouraging his constituents to get concealed carry licenses because the police were unable to protect them from rampant crime.
Tax money was allocated to hire 125 additional officers, but the PD, according to the councilman, didn't ant to spend the money that way, and hired only 25 more.

The story was about police unresponsiveness. The slant the Fox reporter took was "doesn't it worry you that all these people will be walking around with guns?"

She changed her slant once he did a little explaining about taking firearms safety courses and obtaining legal concealed carry permits.

126 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:45:04pm

re: #117 albusteve

dead post and rightly so I guess...I'm just afraid bold jestures like this are gonna push europe to the tipping point

It's going to happen sooner or later. When it does (especially in the EU) the whole world will be engulfed.

127 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:45:18pm

re: #108 Soona'

Our elementality will exhumatiously cancelate our prepondering enemies.
YES WE CAN!
/

That fisaclitation that raves our changification will not slay our commimentification

yes we can

128 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:45:57pm

re: #125 Son of the Black Dog

I hope she learns a bit more about the issue.

129 J.S.  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:46:06pm

re: #110 Thanos

Galloway in the UK was urging Muslim nations to rise up and defeat the Brits...there's certainly no "guessing" about which side he's on (yeah, and he was a member of parliament -- there's been this political connection for quite some time -- but, in the UK, of course, it's politically incorrect to even hint that Galloway was "unpatriotic"...or anything other than an outstanding "citizen.")

130 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:19pm

re: #9 shane

In a way it is the Western governments fault. If they wouldn't be such pansies and go after these guys with a vengence, the muslims(i would say muslim terrorists but that repetative) would be afraid to attack us. So in a way, being spineless and PC have made terrorism grow. However, I don't think that is what this tool is talking about.

It still shocks me that people think in terms of root causes, and most people still also think that fighting this war like a real war is optional.
Root causes: jihad lust for glory, greed for plunder, lust for power, blood lust. All of this "in a manner reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

131 mean Gene  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:56pm

Is the ''truth'' part that kiffirs (sp?) don't deserve to live free and secure in their homes?
Who has the time and inclination to study their taqiyya so as to translate it into English?

132 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:58pm

re: #127 DisturbedEma

Classic!

133 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:48:27pm

re: #122 father_of_10

A lot of activist African-Americans on the left seem to have had some form of contact with him over the years. He's evangelizing for Islam, I guess?

134 jelo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:51:10pm

re: #129 J.S.

before long there is going to be some islamic revelation that mohamed danced a gig or did a 13 year old on the banks of the Thames, thus rendering London an islamic holy site and unfit for infidels.

135 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:51:11pm

re: #119 Joan

There's a statistic we all need to get and hammer people with: how many crimes are committed each year with legally owned and registered guns? That would be useful to know.

IIRC, it is down in the single digits. Also, the number of incidents where someone with a carry permit actually has to shoot someone is quite low, in relation to any crime statistic you choose.

136 The Hoopster  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:52:13pm

re: #122 father_of_10

I met Jamie Charbonault back in the 90's. He seemed like a nice guy. Kinda cool. But he was still in prison for murder.

Top Kat may be cool, but even Stalin had a lover.

Maybe I mis-characterized my meeting of Top Cat..
He expressed alot of concern about the Black Community.. Worried about education, Single mothers, Crime and poverity.
He seems very concerned about his brothers and sisters of color..
He wasn't trying to put the blame on the white man..But i think he feels he has more power leading a high profile organization that needs leadership..and trust me I think they need new leadership..
But that was my impression.. Sure anybody can say hey somebody loved Hitler or Stalin so they must be ok...But I don't think that's fair..
My old priest introduced me to him...The man wants to advance the black community.. More power to him...and i hope he helps reform the party..
/nobody else has

137 Paul  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:52:54pm

re: #18 JohnnyReb

That video was very disturbing. Tons of big words that sounded like they came from some Marxist playbook. That man had no clue what he was saying. He was just parroting words that he had been taught. He just made a very pretzel like argument that violence against white people was OK because white people used violence against black people.

That video was made at least 40 years ago. It was crap logic then and remains crap logic today. Yet separatists, racists and assorted Muslim crackpots and people still trot it out as if it offered some profound insight.

138 Zimriel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:12:53pm

Recommended books by MPACUK:

*Unspeak: Words are Weapons by Stephen Poole,
*Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East by Jonathan Cook (n.b. the pretty decal of a bomb with Israeli flag),
*7/7 The London bombings, Islam, & the Iraq War by Milan Rai,
*The Last Crusade: The Christian Right and the Fall of the American Republic by Barbara Victor (n.b. the Byzantine icon of George W Bush),
*and no such collection would be complete without The Israel Lobby.

139 Pyroskank  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:19:05pm

Finally some honesty!

140 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:26:42pm
"We realised that until the public understand why many in the Muslim world are reacting so violently to them, they will neither know the cause of the deaths of so many innocents on both sides or know how to solve it. We simply no longer feel that the most vocal parties who claim to be countering terrorism are sincere to the very cause they talk of."

When I read that, I was reminded of this.

141 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:47pm

re: #140 rightymouse

When I read that, I was reminded of this.

Priceless.

142 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:35:03pm

re: #141 Bobibutu

Priceless.

Hiya!

There's also this one. lol!

143 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:39:47pm

The Islamofascist aggressors don the cloak of victimhood to obfuscate their religiously inspired violent thirst for blood and domination.
Nothing new here except arguably the use of marxist American subversive propoganda to justify terrorism.

144 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:40:19pm

This is really all about attention, control and power. The choice Western Civilization has is whether to give them that or not. I say that the latter is the more rational choice.

145 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:40:50pm

re: #119 Joan

There's a statistic we all need to get and hammer people with: how many crimes are committed each year with legally owned and registered guns? That would be useful to know.

That is a tough one Joan - however I have put out a request for information to folks who would have such data on the off chance something is available.

146 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:44:24pm

re: #142 rightymouse

Hiya!

There's also this one. lol!

Hi - oh my! Green bean trauma. Glad I'm thru that stage.

Great training films for new parents or parents to be.

147 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:48:21pm

re: #144 rightymouse

This is really all about attention, control and power. The choice Western Civilization has is whether to give them that or not. I say that the latter is the more rational choice.

It is also a choice, at least in Europe, whether to risk reprisals against individuals, and armed insurrection to overthrow the government. Riots and reprisals have already cowed the leaders, and restrain the people from action. Really bad, we ought to learn before it is too late here.

148 descolada9  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:48:57pm

Hello, UK, time to kick these asshats out of your country already! Stop giving in to multiculturalism and take a hint when it's given to you by the very people you should be worried about!

149 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:49:49pm

re: #146 Bobibutu

Hi - oh my! Green bean trauma. Glad I'm thru that stage.

Great training films for new parents or parents to be.

I loved it because the Mom made her do it with gentle encouragement despite all the childish screaming and hollering where a lot of squishier parents would have given in.

150 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:51:09pm

re: #142 rightymouse

Hiya!

There's also this one. lol!

Which could lead us to:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Parenting Without Punishment: Making Problem Behavior Work for You (Paperback)
by John W. Maag (Author) "Henry and Kate Oakley are having dinner out with their good friends, Tim and Nancy Wilder..." (more)
Key Phrases: irrational thinking styles, screaming chair, evening behaviors, Parenting Without Punishment, Milton Erickson, United States (more...)

151 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:54:13pm

re: #147 Joan

It is also a choice, at least in Europe, whether to risk reprisals against individuals, and armed insurrection to overthrow the government. Riots and reprisals have already cowed the leaders, and restrain the people from action. Really bad, we ought to learn before it is too late here.

There's a word and it's called 'no'.

Europe needs to learn how to say this forcefully and meaningfully. The Muslim extremist barbarism has no place in the civilized world and it's something THEY have to accept, not the other way around.

152 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:55:58pm

re: #149 rightymouse

I loved it because the Mom made her do it with gentle encouragement despite all the childish screaming and hollering where a lot of squishier parents would have given in.

And:

[Link: findarticles.com...]

I had the privileged to study with Milton's daughter in Berkeley back in the 80s. Her stories about how her dad parented were awe inspiring. And way cool.

153 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:57:32pm

re: #150 Bobibutu

Which could lead us to:

[Link: www.amazon.com...Key Phrases: irrational thinking styles, screaming chair, evening behaviors, Parenting Without Punishment, Milton Erickson, United States (more...)

My kids all know the 'Look of Death' from me and the 'Voice of Death' from their father.
Guess which one do you think made them mind the most? lol!

154 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:59:31pm

re: #153 rightymouse

My kids all know the 'Look of Death' from me and the 'Voice of Death' from their father.
Guess which one do you think made them mind the most? lol!

That's easy - it's "she who must be obeyed". ;-)

155 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:03:04pm

re: #152 Bobibutu

And:

[Link: findarticles.com...]

I had the privileged to study with Milton's daughter in Berkeley back in the 80s. Her stories about how her dad parented were awe inspiring. And way cool.

Did she grow up to be a moonbat? :)

/never could be hypnotized, BTW. Giggled too much.

156 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:06:49pm

re: #154 Bobibutu

That's easy - it's "she who must be obeyed". ;-)

LOL! Daughter actually got me a T'shirt with that on it.

All in all, though, it's Dad's voice.

At Thanksgiving, our 4 year old nephew was misbehaving and not being cooperative as my husband was trying to organize a shot of the kids. Our 14 year old said to his cousin "You really, really, do NOT want to make my Dad mad". The little one's eyes bugged out and cooperated. Heh.

157 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:12:35pm

re: #155 rightymouse

Did she grow up to be a moonbat? :)

/never could be hypnotized, BTW. Giggled too much.

Actually I found he well rounded in her thinking. Lots of compassion with well defined boundaries. Highly calibrated and accurate BS detector and the skills to cut to the core of an issue with style.

[Link: findarticles.com...]

"Anyone Can Be Hypnotized" "Trance is a common experience" (p. 205); "Hypnosis is a normal phenomenon of the human mind" (p. 206); and, "any normal person can be hypnotized provided there is adequate motivation"

So you are either abby normal or haven't had sufficient motivation.

/

158 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:15:20pm

re: #156 rightymouse

LOL! Daughter actually got me a T'shirt with that on it.

All in all, though, it's Dad's voice.

At Thanksgiving, our 4 year old nephew was misbehaving and not being cooperative as my husband was trying to organize a shot of the kids. Our 14 year old said to his cousin "You really, really, do NOT want to make my Dad mad". The little one's eyes bugged out and cooperated. Heh.

good one - be sure to include it in your book.

159 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:21:45pm

re: #119 Joan

There's a statistic we all need to get and hammer people with: how many crimes are committed each year with legally owned and registered guns? That would be useful to know.

From a friend who knows - still trying for hard data.


I was shocked that placed under the "firearms deaths of US citizens" were the entire number of people shot by police and SWAT officers across the US. The amount of crimes committed by the entire Class III owners of privately owned machine guns/selective fire assault weapons and suppressed firearms was O. In Arizona the concealed weapons permit holders had no crimes using their firearms. One of two permit holders had licenses suspended due to traffic violations as in unpaid tickets. Due to the Clinton/Brady witch hunt of CCW holders and their search for stats of crimes committed by legally owned weapons by collectors and registered owners was so small, no information of massive weapons use could be found to be used by Handgun Control. Finally the accounts of acts done with stolen and illegally owned (criminals not allowed to own weapons) firearms were made to appear the common US wide ratio. The dramatic drop of personal crime related to the citizens of various states carrying concealed weapons was not reported either to the Brady Control Groups by Janet Reno.

160 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:29:58pm

re: #157 Bobibutu

Actually I found he well rounded in her thinking. Lots of compassion with well defined boundaries. Highly calibrated and accurate BS detector and the skills to cut to the core of an issue with style.

[Link: findarticles.com...]

"Anyone Can Be Hypnotized" "Trance is a common experience" (p. 205); "Hypnosis is a normal phenomenon of the human mind" (p. 206); and, "any normal person can be hypnotized provided there is adequate motivation"

So you are either abby normal or haven't had sufficient motivation.

/

At one point back in 1978 (before I went back to Bangkok), I dated a guy who was going to get his PhD in Psychology at Harvard. He tried to hypnotize me as part of his experimentation. It was a total flop. I giggled through the whole thing even though I did try to tell myself (really, truly) to cooperate for his sake.

But it was more amusing than therapeutic. :)~

My bad.

161 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:30:29pm

re: #91 HoosierHoops

Some panthers showed remorse later, among them, Eldridge Cleaver.

162 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:31:43pm

re: #158 Bobibutu

good one - be sure to include it in your book.

I do need to keep plugging away at that, don't I?

163 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:36:32pm

re: #50 Desert Dog

Good job, Desert Dog. It isn't easy trying to help our kids avoid indoctrination. My own experience was ultimately only partially successful. The problem is the teachers don't know they are themselves the products of indoctrination--they think they have the correct views.

The other problem is that kids like mine, and maybe yours to some degree, always liked their teachers, for good reason. With a few exceptions, the teachers are sincere people. It is hard for kids to think differently, to resist indoctrination, they identify with their peers, but the lucky ones also develop ties of affection and respect for their teachers.

Your student is to be honored for strength of mind and willingness to look a bit more deeply than the common herd. It is a rare thing, considering the school culture, the political culture, the entertainment aimed at kids.

164 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:41:56pm

re: #160 rightymouse

At one point back in 1978 (before I went back to Bangkok), I dated a guy who was going to get his PhD in Psychology at Harvard. He tried to hypnotize me as part of his experimentation. It was a total flop. I giggled through the whole thing even though I did try to tell myself (really, truly) to cooperate for his sake.

But it was more amusing than therapeutic. :)~

My bad.

One of Ericksons students - did a dual induction with me and my older sister - hey a twofer (I was paying for it) - my sister giggled for about five minutes - finally MaryBeth - did a short intervention connecting with my sisters highly held criteria for me as her younger brother - boom - silence from my sis - and we both had a good and profound experience.

A close friend did an induction on me - I giggled all the way down.

165 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:42:31pm

re: #162 rightymouse

I do need to keep plugging away at that, don't I?

Yah! Both of us. ;-)

166 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:50:55pm

re: #164 Bobibutu

One of Ericksons students - did a dual induction with me and my older sister - hey a twofer (I was paying for it) - my sister giggled for about five minutes - finally MaryBeth - did a short intervention connecting with my sisters highly held criteria for me as her younger brother - boom - silence from my sis - and we both had a good and profound experience.

A close friend did an induction on me - I giggled all the way down.

I guess I don't understand the point of being hypnotized in the conventional sense. What does a person's subconscious know that the conscious does not?

Now, if someone said they may be able to find out about past lives or something gnarly like that, I'd be game.

167 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:51:50pm

re: #165 Bobibutu

Yah! Both of us. ;-)

YAH! You too for sure!

168 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:58:59pm
169 revvy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:01:12pm

Jesus, I should use this defense sometime.

"But Professor, I didn't like his project! If he hadn't oppressed me with his shitty work, I wouldn't have had to stab him in the face!"

170 Blackacre  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:03:25pm
"We will not be part of the apologetic Muslim leaders who blame their own community for terrorism."

Say what? I must have missed that part.

171 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:05:47pm

re: #166 rightymouse

I guess I don't understand the point of being hypnotized in the conventional sense. What does a person's subconscious know that the conscious does not?

Now, if someone said they may be able to find out about past lives or something gnarly like that, I'd be game.

Erickson would do "conversational hypnosis" from time to time - no induction - just bang! slip a suggestion in matching your criteria about x and it was over.

Of course he had to ID your criteria first and that is no big trick - simple Q&A.

"What does a person's subconscious know that the conscious does not? " Uhhh - how about everything?

Inductions are fun - "mirror" - "match" - "pace" - "lead" - the inductee hasn't a prayer.

I used to get into past lives and do sessions ... lost interest. "What is the most effective use of my time right now?" became my question of choice.

I'm a bit more relaxed with it now.

172 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:53:33pm

re: #171 Bobibutu

Erickson would do "conversational hypnosis" from time to time - no induction - just bang! slip a suggestion in matching your criteria about x and it was over.

Of course he had to ID your criteria first and that is no big trick - simple Q&A.

"What does a person's subconscious know that the conscious does not? " Uhhh - how about everything?

Inductions are fun - "mirror" - "match" - "pace" - "lead" - the inductee hasn't a prayer.

I used to get into past lives and do sessions ... lost interest. "What is the most effective use of my time right now?" became my question of choice.

I'm a bit more relaxed with it now.

The thing is, that if somehow, my subconscious knows more than my conscious - that I need to be hypnotized to drag out that which I already know, then I'm really screwed.

My 'already life' is known to me. Some good stuff and some not so good stuff. Never in denial about that.

What would be fun is if it was possible to know about reincarnation. Yeah...that's an Asian thing. But, fun, nonetheless.

173 EE  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:54:44pm

VDH referred to a "cruel and evil radical strain of hateful Muslim fundamentalism". That ideology drives terrorism. And regardless of what MPACUK says, the public needs to get to understand that this ideology exists, and it drives terrorism.

MPACUK is apparently following the philosophy of Qutb's book "Milestones", in which Qutb points out that jihad for conquest of the world needs to proceed in stages, from the earliest stage of following the laws of the infidel if one is living in the land of the infidels (but building strength for the later stage of violent jihad), to the later stage of violent jihad. They assess the situation as providing the jihad movement with greater strength than before, so they are now more open about supporting terrorist jihad.

Of course, they will attribute violent jihad to the tactically dictated demands of the moment, articulating concessions that they demand that the infidel countries must make. In doing this, they are partnering with the violent jihadis. The violent jihadis are the murderous wing of the jihad movement, and MPACUK, a Muslim Brotherhood front group, becomes the jihad's political wing.

174 soccerdad  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:14:09pm

re: #50 Desert Dog


What grade is your son in?

I'm still steaming about my 4th and 6th graders "Winter Holiday" concert. in which no less that three Jewish/Hanukkah songs were played/sung and not one other song that had ANY reference to Christ or Christmas was featured. how did we allow this to get this far?

175 leereyno  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:36:35pm

re: #174 soccerdad

What grade is your son in?

I'm still steaming about my 4th and 6th graders "Winter Holiday" concert. in which no less that three Jewish/Hanukkah songs were played/sung and not one other song that had ANY reference to Christ or Christmas was featured. how did we allow this to get this far?

It got this far by people kow-towing to 'political correctness' and by allowing themselves to be bullied by leftists into remaining silent for fear of 'offending' someone.

Every time one of us does this instead of standing fast and telling the truth, the country - and the world by extension, slips further and further into a cold dark place.

176 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:50:31pm

re: #159 Bobibutu

Bobibutu: what a remarkable wealth of information. Thanks for sharing it. I really think the whole anti-gun movement plays on false fears, false numbers. It seems to offer an easy answer to crime, which people fear. They don't fear losing their freedom to tyrants, but they fear losing their lives to criminals. I fear losing the right of self defense, and the "teeth of freedom."

177 soccerdad  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 10:31:54pm

re: #175 leereyno

It got this far by people kow-towing to 'political correctness' and by allowing themselves to be bullied by leftists into remaining silent for fear of 'offending' someone.

Every time one of us does this instead of standing fast and telling the truth, the country - and the world by extension, slips further and further into a cold dark place.

thanks. You are right.

I hate posting in a dead thread. I have a legitimate question, but everyone is on to the new threads.

178 Cutty Sark  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:54:57am

Is ANYONE surprised ? Sharia law for everyone , by hook or by crook ...bottom line we will get our way , but now we will tell the truth ...whih everyone has known all along ...sheesh , what a revelation !

179 bj  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:17:19am

That article is one load of tosh. There is no justification for violence and explaining after the fact is ludicrous. Don't do it in the first place like mature, caring human beings. Otherwise, expect to bear the consequences be it personal, as a community, as a religion, as an ideology, country or whatever. Spit!

180 Pyrocles  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:43:17am

Like my Father and my wife keep telling me, "We should have kept Saddam in power since he wasn't a radical Muslim. He was secular, and we could have just bought him off to get him to help fight al Queda..."

We tried that during the Iran-Iraq war, which worked out so well... Bushs' point was to stop allying ourselves with this scum, and work to oust them instead.


re: #115 Joan

Yeah. Protection racket. Oh, and it's the obsession with moral relativism on the left: there are no bad people, only sick ones. They have a lot more in common with snake handlers than they would ever dream...

181 billhedrick  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:21:31am

I am thinking, in contrast to the posts on intelligent design, of something I've been saying for awhile. Christian fundamentalists will tell you that you are going to Hell. muslim fundamentalists will try to send you there.

I have a 4 year old niece who is the sweetest thing until things don't go her way, then she breaks down and sobs like her puppy died. The islamists are less mature than her, they only know one reaction to not getting their way.

182 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:32:10am
183 blueboy  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:49:56am

So MPACUK are basically acknowledging that terrorism and Islam are mutually compatible, despite the hand wringing apologies made on behalf of muslims (usually by non-muslim politicians) after every atrocity.
I'm sure that there must be some genuinely decent muslims in the UK but hey, who can you trust?

184 cagney  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:16:10pm

it doesn't matter how much rope the Muslims give themselves, the liberal masses over here will never see that they are dangerous. The only way there will be any change is when the Muslims start operating Sharia in the leafy suburbs.

185 nines09  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:51:44pm

I understand that the problem is the teaching hatred of all things not muslim. Untill that little fact is cleared up, there is no excuse.


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