Nirth Certifikit Links Not Welcome

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Politics • Mon Dec 8, 2008 at 3:39 pm PST • Views: 296

I’ve posted this several times, but it apparently isn’t being heard. So here it is again.

Any posted spinoff links that try to promote the “Obama birth certificate” nonsense will be deleted. If you insist on continuing to post such links, I’ll block your account.

Enough is more than enough.

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1 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:41:26pm

I hope when others come across such links they'll use the report function and help Charles and Stinky keep the joint nice and kook-free.

2 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:41:41pm

So ...It's an Unthread!

3 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:42:06pm

Did you know that Hawaii certificates of live birth only melt at 10,000 degrees, yet no intact certificates were found at Ground Zero? Coincidence?!

4 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:42:11pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

I hope when others come across such links they'll use the report function and help Charles and Stinky keep the joint nice and kook-free.

Yessum, will do our best.

5 warnergt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:42:14pm

Sounds like censorship to me.

6 Golem Akbar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:42:24pm

'nuff said.

7 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:42:28pm

I agree 100%. Enough is enough. There are plenty of blogs out there that are still trying to keep this alive, go to them. Charles house and Charles rules apply.

8 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:42:36pm

re: #3 Diamond Bullet

I think not!

9 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:43:07pm

re: #3 Diamond Bullet

Did you know that Hawaii certificates of live birth only melt at 10,000 degrees, yet no intact certificates were found at Ground Zero? Coincidence?!

Yes I saw it on the Rosie show.

10 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:43:13pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.


Did you forget the Sarc tag?

11 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:43:44pm

So what up?

Beer,Boobs or guns?

12 Kragar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:43:50pm

Next thing you now, Charles will be banning amateur German porn links.

FASCIST!

13 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:43:57pm

Charles, you have waaay more patience than I do. Kudos for that.

14 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:44:06pm

re: #11 reloadingisnotahobby

So what up?

Beer,Boobs or guns?


How about all three?

15 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:44:27pm

re: #5 warnergt

Uh- no. This is private property. Free speech rights don't apply.

16 bosforus  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:44:35pm

Isn't it enough for them that when the truth finally comes out and they're proven right that they'll have bragging rights for like the next 100 years?
/

17 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:44:40pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

That's because you don't understand the meaning of the word "censorship."

You do not have a right to post anything you like at LGF. Period. If that's not to your liking, go and post somewhere else.

18 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:44:47pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

More like editing

19 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:44:49pm

No Nirth Certificate links allowed in the house. And I mean it.

20 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:44:51pm
21 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:45:23pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

No you jerk, sounds like this is Charles' blog, not yours. Do you allow anyone to say anything in your house, around your kids or family. You get the idea, huh?

22 markx  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:45:27pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

Sounds like personal property rights to me.

23 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:45:41pm

re: #14 JohnnyReb

Beer and boobs? OK
Boobs and gun? OK
Beer and guns? Not a good mix!
Someone lible to spill the beer!

24 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:45:50pm

re: #14 JohnnyReb

How about all three?

I tried to start a boob thread once about Fox news bunnies.
Everybody just stuck on Megyn Kelly.

25 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:46:06pm

re: #5 warnergt

And the little wussie runs away.

26 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:46:31pm

re: #24 opnion

I tried to start a boob thread once about Fox news bunnies.
Everybody just stuck on Megyn Kelly.

I wouldn't mind being stuck on Megyn Kelly

27 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:46:33pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

And the little wussie runs away.

Nope, still "logged in".

28 Kragar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:46:43pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

And the little wussie runs away.

"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

29 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:46:58pm
30 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:17pm

re: #27 reine.de.tout

Nope, still "logged in".

Yea, but I never log out, even when I am off the site, since I am the only one on this computer ever. He may be doing something else.

31 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:21pm

re: #22 markx

Sounds like personal property rights to me.

Just more proof that our civics education is sorely lacking that people can't tell the difference if you ask me.

32 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:26pm

re: #26 kcladderman

I wouldn't mind being stuck on Megyn Kelly

The woman is without question a tribute to the species.

33 markx  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:31pm

re: #29 buzzsawmonkey

ar... ar...ar...

34 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:39pm

re: #24 opnion

Mmmm! Megyn Kelly!
Hey!
What's wrong with that?

35 Outrider  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:47:51pm

re: #9 kcladderman

Yes I saw it on the Rosie show.


Good enough for me! I'm convinced! ;-)>
/

36 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:48:26pm

re: #23 reloadingisnotahobby

Beer and boobs? OK
Boobs and gun? OK
Beer and guns? Not a good mix!
Someone lible to spill the beer!


It all fun and games until you get a "party foul". I hate it when someone spills a beer

37 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:48:47pm

Is this deja vu all over again? I could have sworn Charles made it VERY clear this was not the place for that kind of thing. . .

38 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:49:00pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"


Come see the violence inherent in the system!

39 maddogg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:49:17pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next thing you now, Charles will be banning amateur German porn links.

FASCIST!

Oh No! Not that!

/*sob*

40 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:49:25pm

re: #37 DisturbedEma

What kind of thing?
Duck!

41 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:50:00pm

I never liked the nirth subject, anyway.

42 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:50:04pm

re: #37 DisturbedEma

Is this deja vu all over again? I could have sworn Charles made it VERY clear this was not the place for that kind of thing. . .

And I WAS SURE THAT re: #5 warnergt knew how to read, since I have seen other posts by him. He does type, form sentences, respond to others.

Funny he got real quiet now.

43 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:50:22pm

re: #34 reloadingisnotahobby


Mmmm! Megyn Kelly!
Hey!
What's wrong with that?


I would have to personaly examine her to find flaws, but you know , ain't gonna happen. At least I used to be married to , uh, um Morgan Fairchild! Thats the ticket

44 markx  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:50:29pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

Just more proof that our civics education is sorely lacking that people can't tell the difference if you ask me.

...resawit of publick edjoocayshun

45 mean Gene  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:50:49pm

I've got a memory like a sieve.
I'm bound to forget some rule here sooner or later.
Where's the codex?

46 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:51:00pm
47 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:51:29pm

Plus, it's been eaten by an elephant seal and is way beyond forensic analysis.

48 Mike in Georgia  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:51:34pm

re: #39 maddogg

As long as he leaves the Asian Teenage Lesbian Schoolgirls
alone.

49 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:51:51pm

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Yea, but I never log out, even when I am off the site, since I am the only one on this computer ever. He may be doing something else.

He's probably cutting and pasting to a stalker blog.

50 poopeedoo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:51:52pm

re: #5 warnergt

No, It's keeping "dim-wits" from taking up bandwidth.

51 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:52:10pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

looks more like high standards to me

52 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:52:12pm

Some people are just obsessed. But in this case Obama, by being secretive, is enabling the obsession.

Re-focus on the man's scary social plans.

53 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:52:46pm

" I was born a poor lonely black child...

...Then ,I found my purpose"!

54 Kragar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:52:57pm

re: #48 Mike in Georgia

As long as he leaves the Asian Teenage Lesbian Schoolgirls
alone.

Give me barely legal MILFs or give me DEATH!

55 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:53:15pm

re: #51 Shug

looks more like high standards to me

Technically, it's free association ...

56 maddogg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:53:26pm

Seems like some people don't know the difference twixt censorship and pissin' on the carpet.

57 Golem Akbar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:53:32pm

Chasing away the nuts. Good idea.
(excellent job, Charles -- this is the best way to stay relevant and still have interesting dialog)

58 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:53:36pm

re: #3 Diamond Bullet

Did you know that Hawaii certificates of live birth only melt at 10,000 degrees, yet no intact certificates were found at Ground Zero? Coincidence?!

That's because Kenyan birth certificates melt at 400 degrees

/

59 opnion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:53:42pm

re: #52 DistantThunder

Some people are just obsessed. But in this case Obama, by being secretive, is enabling the obsession.

Re-focus on the man's scary social plans.

'Barack ain't gonna let you stay the way you been"
Now that Michelle statement does bother me.

60 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:53:47pm

"Enough is more than enough."

All my mother had to say was, 'enough is enough and I've had too much." and we would quietly disburse. And stay disbursed.

61 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:54:13pm

re: #56 maddogg

Would you mind speaking to our dog on that ...

62 maddogg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:55:02pm

re: #61 reloadingisnotahobby

Would you mind speaking to our dog on that ...

What makes you think I'm housebroke?

63 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:55:32pm
64 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:55:49pm

re: #60 Daisy

"Enough is more than enough."

All my mother had to say was, 'enough is enough and I've had too much." and we would quietly disburse. And stay disbursed.

My great- grandmother had the most awesome evil eye, I have proudly inherited it.

65 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:55:57pm

re: #49 Thanos

He's probably cutting and pasting to a stalker blog.

You know, I don't understand people like that. I enjoy a good discussion, even when I am wrong. I'll still try to defend my point.

Just dropping in with a statement and then leaving, well, that's like dropping you pant's in front of a pretty lady, and then forgetting why you came.

66 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:56:10pm

re: #62 maddogg

Ha!LOL
He's good in the house ...it's going in the garage and pissin on the
car that's pissin ME off!LOL

67 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:56:57pm

clapton and the kid...

68 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:57:03pm

re: #66 reloadingisnotahobby

Then again...it's the wifes car!

69 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:57:08pm
70 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:57:11pm

Anyone else see the story about the home invasion robbers being sent to the inauguration from LA? They beat up an old lady in the process of the invasion, but they are being measured for their tuxedos - the judge has OK'd the trip - and I am assuming at taxpayer expense.

Sound too incredible to be true - but I read the article with my own eyes.

Should jailed kids go to Barack's bash? Chicago Sun-times article.

71 warnergt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:57:40pm

I can understand banning a topic you don't want covered on your website. But when you post material on the specific topic and then block legitimate responses to that material, it's censorship. I don't care what the topic is. You can do what you want with your website -- even censor it -- but I thought one of your goals would be to encourage discussion; not simply provide one-sided discussion. That's a technique of the Kos Kids.

When you say Horowitz "hits this one out of the park" when he defends ignoring parts of the Constitution because they are "technicalities," I have to say you are wrong - unequivocally wrong.

Censoring discussions - that's your prerogative - but don't forget what you're doing here.

72 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:57:47pm

Heh™

73 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:58:06pm

re: #59 opnion

'Barack ain't gonna let you stay the way you been"
Now that Michelle statement does bother me.

"He's gonna make people work." - another scary statement.

74 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:58:15pm

re: #69 Noam Sayin'

Other twin cities lizards are probably stuck in traffic.

I drive a Jeep.

I routinely drive Rolls, Bentley, Mercedes and Jaguar for work. I love getting back in my Jeep. Best cars ever.

75 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:58:54pm

Times are tough and we need to stay focused on things that matter. To spend energy pursuing this is a pointless waste of time.

/I'd like to see ACORN reformed or fined out of existence

76 maddogg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:59:02pm

re: #66 reloadingisnotahobby

Ha!LOL
He's good in the house ...it's going in the garage and pissin on the
car that's pissin ME off!LOL

Thats cause you are suppressing dog rights. We all reserve the right to piss on tires, along with other various nasty habits.

77 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:59:24pm

re: #71 warnergt

I can understand banning a topic you don't want covered on your website. But when you post material on the specific topic and then block legitimate responses to that material, it's censorship. I don't care what the topic is. You can do what you want with your website -- even censor it -- but I thought one of your goals would be to encourage discussion; not simply provide one-sided discussion. That's a technique of the Kos Kids.

When you say Horowitz "hits this one out of the park" when he defends ignoring parts of the Constitution because they are "technicalities," I have to say you are wrong - unequivocally wrong.

Censoring discussions - that's your prerogative - but don't forget what you're doing here.

Zombie and others expressed their opposite points - censorship is technically something only the government has the power to do. Not Charles.

78 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:59:29pm

re: #70 DistantThunder

Oh brother...
Homes in DC have better shit man!

79 sadhu  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:59:35pm

can we just get back to the whole Muslim, Iran, Israel, Pakistan thing for now until it's done? it's so much better readin' and fumigatin' on

80 AuntAcid  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 3:59:44pm

...the “Obama birth certificate” nonsense will be deleted.

It was a virgin birth ya know so there is no denying his Messiah-hood.

81 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:00:16pm

re: #70 DistantThunder

/Ayers juvenile justice approach at work, courtesy of his protege, BHO

82 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:00:47pm

It doesn't understanding the difference between censoring and censuring.

83 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:00:49pm

OT/ 2 Dead in the Miramar crash today, 2 missing.

84 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:00:50pm

re: #59 opnion

'Barack ain't gonna let you stay the way you been"
Now that Michelle statement does bother me.

By the way. Where is Michelle?

85 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:00:56pm

re: #77 DistantThunder

Zombie and others expressed their opposite points - censorship is technically something only the government has the power to do. Not Charles.

Actually, ANYONE in a position of authority can censor someone by refusing to publish that person's writing. The First Amendment protects us from the Government's censorship, not anyone else's.

86 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:01:14pm

re: #72 Noam Sayin'

Hey Noam--find any good shoes lately?

87 Steve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:01:51pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

No, it is not censorship. You are always welcome to go someplace else and post.
Charles' house, Charles' rules

88 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:02:17pm

re: #17 Charles

Short of Berg prevailing, which is about the equal of the impact of a large asteroid on earth, the birth certificate thing is over. So be it.

89 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:02:17pm

re: #71 warnergt

That's an incredibly stupid comment. There are 635 comments in that David Horowitz thread and I have not stopped anyone from posting.

Maybe you have a problem with reading comprehension? I said very specifically that I'm not allowing spinoff links to be posted that promote this lunacy.

And in either case, this is NOT "censorship." If you don't like this rule, I'll be happy to block your account and you can find some other blog that will let you express your brilliant thoughts.

90 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:02:24pm

"Nirth Certifikit"?

What's the origin of this?

91 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:02:47pm

re: #59 opnion

'Barack ain't gonna let you stay the way you been"
Now that Michelle statement does bother me.

Well, if it means "be the change you wish to see" leadership by example: okay. If it means, "you can do what you want, if you can pay for it--go ahead, eat some beef, turn up the thermostat. It'll bankrupt you." That's the soft totalitarianism and social engineering that is really difficult to combat.

92 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:03:14pm
93 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:03:18pm

re: #71 warnergt

What part of "it's not your blog" do you not understand. I don't give a fuck what you want to post. If Charles' said you could only post using words with 9 letters each, than that would be his rules.

You don't own this blog, this blog owes you nothing, the internet does not belong to you, you don't get everything you want.

How the hell old are you?

94 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:03:22pm

re: #71 warnergt


Herring. Red colored. Get over it.

95 Outrider  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:03:29pm

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

... like dropping you pant's in front of a pretty lady, and then forgetting why you came.

How does one forget that? ;-)>

96 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:03:58pm

re: #5 warnergt

When you walk into someones home, you respect the rules that they set.
You have the right to your opinion, and they have the right to tell you shut up or get out.

97 winston06  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:04:14pm

good... I was being fed up with these birth certificate thing too

98 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:04:26pm

re: #95 Outrider

How does one forget that? ;-)>

I can't remember?

99 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:04:31pm

re: #71 warnergt

People who think Pravda is a good source deserve censure. Here's yours: you are a blathering idiot tool.

100 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:04:31pm

re: #89 Charles

Beating a dead horse...
That dog won't hunt...
Been there done that...
Anyone care to add your euphemisms
...Come on! It'll be fun..sort of!

101 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:04:35pm

re: #90 Boogberg

"Nirth Certifikit"?

What's the origin of this?

Go back to earlier today and you'll see the LOLcat picture with Pamela Geller's mis-spelling.

102 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:04:38pm

re: #71 warnergt

I can understand banning a topic you don't want covered on your website. .

That's as far as I read since I don't think you do understand

103 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:04:39pm

re: #90 Boogberg

"Nirth Certifikit"?

What's the origin of this?

It was originally a typo in the posting headline at Atlas Shrugs.

104 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:04:54pm

re: #89 Charles

That's an incredibly stupid comment. There are 635 comments in that David Horowitz thread and I have not stopped anyone from posting.

Maybe you have a problem with reading comprehension? I said very specifically that I'm not allowing spinoff links to be posted that promote this lunacy.

And in either case, this is NOT "censorship." If you don't like this rule, I'll be happy to block your account and you can find some other blog that will let you express your brilliant thoughts.

Charles, don't let one idiot get you upset. That is what he wants. Screw him, and screw "Daisy" too, who dinged it up, but does not have the intestinal fortitude to come forward and say it out loud. Coward.

105 Outrider  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:05:20pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

I can't remember?

;-)>

106 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:05:21pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

Here's a thought- Make sense, and you don't have to worry about censorship.

107 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:05:29pm

re: #77 DistantThunder

Charles pays the piper, Charles can call the tune. Nuff said. I actually find Charles to allow open discussion of most topics. But this one is getting stale. Time to move on.

108 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:05:32pm

re: #103 jaunte

It was originally a typo in the posting headline at Atlas Shrugs.

A typo that stayed up for a full day, I might add.

109 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:05:42pm

re: #71 warnergt

I can understand banning a topic you don't want covered on your website. But when you post material on the specific topic and then block legitimate responses to that material, it's censorship. I don't care what the topic is. You can do what you want with your website -- even censor it -- but I thought one of your goals would be to encourage discussion; not simply provide one-sided discussion. That's a technique of the Kos Kids.

When you say Horowitz "hits this one out of the park" when he defends ignoring parts of the Constitution because they are "technicalities," I have to say you are wrong - unequivocally wrong.

Censoring discussions - that's your prerogative - but don't forget what you're doing here.

You are applying a pop-culture definition of censorship, the same one that allows Dixie Chick partisans to demand that radio stations play their music whether they like it or not, thereby attempting to deny the stations' own right of free speech. I did not allow Obama signs to be posted in my front yard. That is not censorship, it is the exercise of my own First Amendment rights, rights that Charles Johnson also has.

110 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:05:57pm

/Got company--bbl

111 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:06:03pm

re: #108 Charles

A dirth of proofing.

112 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:06:08pm

1000

topped the landmark post this thread ;-] go me!

113 Kragar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:06:12pm

re: #71 warnergt

I can understand banning a topic you don't want covered on your website. But when you post material on the specific topic and then block legitimate responses to that material, it's censorship. I don't care what the topic is. You can do what you want with your website -- even censor it -- but I thought one of your goals would be to encourage discussion; not simply provide one-sided discussion. That's a technique of the Kos Kids.

When you say Horowitz "hits this one out of the park" when he defends ignoring parts of the Constitution because they are "technicalities," I have to say you are wrong - unequivocally wrong.

Censoring discussions - that's your prerogative - but don't forget what you're doing here.

Censorship implies preventing you from expressing your opinion. What Charles is doing is exercising his right as owner of this blog stating what he considers appropriate topics and what will be removed. Nothing is stopping you from starting your own blog or publishing a book or standing on the street corner to express your views. Too many people view moderation on a free public forum as censorship.

114 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:07:17pm

Charles, you dont need 9/11 truthers or creationist BS or people chasing a Nirth cert when it really aint that important. The hardest part is keeping a clean house. And that means tossing out the trash.

115 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:07:27pm

re: #86 twincitiesgirl

Got my eye on some Sorel Cold Mountain Zip™ boots for snowblowing, but DSW isn't discounting them enough.

116 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:07:32pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

What part of "it's not your blog" do you not understand. I don't give a fuck what you want to post. If Charles' said you could only post using words with 9 letters each, than that would be his rules.
You don't own this blog, this blog owes you nothing, the internet does not belong to you, you don't get everything you want.

How the hell old are you?

Now that would be an interesting thread.
/

117 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:07:39pm

for posting any rubbish you like, might I recommend the angry truck driver and the japanese monster's website

118 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:07:49pm

Editor vs censor

119 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:07:57pm

re: #101 debutaunt

Go back to earlier today and you'll see the LOLcat picture with Pamela Geller's mis-spelling.

Ah, I saw that. So that's what started it then? Lol!

120 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:07:59pm

I want to know who is suppressing the time machine technology that allowed operatives to go back to 1961 and plant an Obama birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser. Has anyone examined the fonts?
///

121 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:08:14pm

re: #118 DistantThunder

Editor vs censor

Truth vs. Bullshit.

122 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:08:34pm

re: #115 Noam Sayin'

Got my eye on some Sorel Cold Mountain Zip™ boots for snowblowing, but DSW isn't discounting them enough.

Oh come on. What do you need them for. Here we just go outside in our slippers, or if we have a pair of cats, we wear them.

That's manly!

123 Kragar  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:08:39pm

re: #121 CapeCoddah

Truth vs. Bullshit.

Stuffing vs. Potatoes

124 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:08:47pm

I just dropped my son off at this new job at Game Stop. The store was wall to wall people.

125 Lee Coller  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:09:09pm

re: #120 jaunte

I want to know who is suppressing the time machine technology that allowed operatives to go back to 1961 and plant an Obama birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser. Has anyone examined the fonts?
///

The same ones suppressing the technology that got Col. Killian his PC with MS Word.

126 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:09:16pm

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

It's not censorship, it's Charles doing what he wants on his own blog. If you don't like it, start your own blog. Censorship is when the government tell you what you can or can not write on your own blog.

127 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:09:52pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

... If Charles' said you could only post using words with 9 letters each, than that would be his rules....

Charles, if you try that, I want a hat tip.

128 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:09:52pm

re: #103 jaunte

It was originally a typo in the posting headline at Atlas Shrugs.

Ok, I got it now. Even funnier!

129 Yashmak  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:10:03pm

re: #71 warnergt


When you say Horowitz "hits this one out of the park" when he defends ignoring parts of the Constitution because they are "technicalities," I have to say you are wrong - unequivocally wrong.

Of course, following any sort of nirth certifikit nonsense to its inevitable conclusion will probably involve ignoring OTHER parts of the Constitution, disenfranchise tens of millions of voters, and basically turn our representative democratic system into a farce. . .but that doesn't seem to bother you.

130 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:10:22pm

re: #77 DistantThunder

Zombie and others expressed their opposite points - censorship is technically something only the government has the power to do. Not Charles.

Aye, there are plenty of comments - which I happen to agree with - questioning Horowitz's reasoning about ignoring "technical" violations of the Constitution. However, Charles has made it pretty clear in the, oh, half-dozen previous warnings that links hawking the straight up "Obama=nonAmerican" claim are not welcome. And frankly he's not the only one - I think many of the rest of us are also tired of that dead end. We're not going to suddenly be convinced otherwise, because frankly it's a stupid claim and there is no evidence for it (which is of course why the troofers are on it like dogs on stink).

131 Yashmak  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:10:41pm

re: #104 CapeCoddah

Charles, don't let one idiot get you upset. That is what he wants. Screw him, and screw "Daisy" too, who dinged it up, but does not have the intestinal fortitude to come forward and say it out loud. Coward.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

132 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:10:48pm

Dont worry people. We are on the lookout for a hungry walrus who appears to only eat Nirth certifikates and nothing else. Once apprehended, the Zionist conspiracy will be blamed for aiding and assisting the walrus in further digestion of said cert.

We thank you for your assistance in this matter.

133 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:11:33pm

OK Everyone -

As I am as much a "Law Professor" as the President-Elect - which is to say adjunct lecturer, back in the day, let me weigh in on the CENSORSHIP ISSUE.

1. The Concept of Censorship deals with GOVERNMENTAL LIMITATIONS on "SPEECH."

2. Charles, the Original Lizard and Head "Person" in Charge of this blog is by no stretch of the imagination a GOVERNMENT.

3. LGF is for all intents and purposes a PRIVATE CLUB, founded by Charles.

4. Due to all of the above, Charles DOES have the right to say and do - "MY WAY or the HIGHWAY," should he choose - as he has at times - some of which same I disagree with and have told him via the "Contact" link.

AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

-S-

134 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:11:44pm

re: #52 DistantThunder

If he is being secretive for a good reason, it will out. It always does. Ask Nixon and Clinton. Some day someone will produce something if it really exists. If it doesn't they won't. Personally, I would have liked him to have cleared the air so that he could be president without all the paranoid stuff running around in the background like the hanging chad crap. But he decided otherwise. I think he made a poor decision, but then I never thought much of any of his decisions anyway.

135 loflyer  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:11:44pm

I notice that WienerGT suddenly shut the frack up. How embarrassing, like he owns the place mates...

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:11:56pm

Uh...Is it just me? Did I hear him asking for people to knock the shit off prior to the rumors of the Michelle "Whitey tape"?

137 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:11:58pm

re: #132 Buster Bunny

Dont worry people. We are on the lookout for a hungry walrus who appears to only eat Nirth certifikates and nothing else. Once apprehended, the Zionist conspiracy will be blamed for aiding and assisting the walrus in further digestion of said cert.

We thank you for your assistance in this matter.

That was a Walrus? I thought it was a Hippo?

138 sadhu  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:12:17pm

also, although I was just friggin livid at how idiotic and uninformed people were to fall for the big Zero

1) he is going to be the next President
2) he shat in his pants when he got his first intelligence briefing
3) some of his appointments make me feel like the dude may be a pragmatist

so...on with the show

139 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:12:21pm

The positive Karma Warner had evaporated like a bead of water touched by an arc welder. Now that's some censureship.

140 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:12:25pm

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Stuffing vs. Potatoes

Ying vs. yang.

141 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:12:45pm

re: #90 Boogberg

"Nirth Certifikit"?

What's the origin of this?

That's "Birth Certificate" in LOLspeak

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:13:05pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Whats happening Walter!

143 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:13:34pm

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

I'm getting the feeling that I'll be seeing you.

Awesome version. Perhaps we'll meet again?

144 Max Darkside  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:13:38pm

Oh Noes! Nirth Certifikit Linkz Eated!

/GRIN

145 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:13:40pm

Kramer vs Kramer

146 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:14:02pm

Did you hear? NYT is dipping into capital to save its measly backside !

Thats a YAY from me !

147 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:14:10pm

re: #137 JohnnyReb

That was a Walrus? I thought it was a Hippo?

It's actually an elephant seal.

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:14:42pm

Anybody wanna guess (not counting the Newports) what the next "troofer" moment is going to be?

149 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:14:48pm

The mother of all Nirth Certifikit links:


Delete that, Charles!

150 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:15:20pm

re: #126 Alouette

It's not censorship, it's Charles doing what he wants on his own blog. If you don't like it, start your own blog. Censorship is when the government tell you what you can or can not write on your own blog.

I agree that Charles has the right to set his own house rules, but by definition, he's acting as a censor, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING. Setting the parameters for discourse is Charles' prerogative, and there's nothing WRONG with that:

Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful or sensitive, as determined by a censor. The rationale for censorship is different for various types of data censored

151 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:15:26pm

For those who do not like what Charles is doing, you can run your own blog at wordpress for zero expense. You may not get many "eyeballs" but you can post pretty much all the opinions you want. Personally, I am speechless [Link: www.shrnfr.wordpress.com...]

152 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:15:38pm

re: #149 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

The mother of all Nirth Certifikit links:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]


Delete that, Charles!

Damn, Rick rolled twice in a couple hours. grrrfff

153 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:15:38pm

re: #111 jaunte

A dirth of proofing.


A thousand updings!

154 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:15:45pm

re: #147 Charles

It's actually an elephant seal.

Oh goo goo ka choo .. its hungry for certs anyway.

/I am not the Walrus then.

155 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:15:51pm

re: #137 JohnnyReb

That was a Walrus? I thought it was a Hippo?


I thought it was Rosie O'Donnel

156 loflyer  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:16:00pm

re: #145 Shug

Kramer vs Kramer

That was a good movie mate! I normally don't watch that type of movie but 'me date wanted to see off we went...She was a cute little thing! 'me date mates, not the little girl in the movie!

157 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:16:04pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whats happening Walter!

It's snowing in Golden. My girlfriend lives 30 miles from here on the northeast side of Denver, so no cuddle tonight, not real safe to drive. We have 5 shows this week, Thursday night, two on Friday and one on Sat. and Sun. Busy week. Feeling frisky. How's you?

158 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:17:09pm

re: #155 Shug

Sure eats like her!

159 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:17:23pm

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree that Charles has the right to set his own house rules, but by definition, he's acting as a censor, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING. Setting the parameters for discourse is Charles' prerogative, and there's nothing WRONG with that...

No, it's not censoring. I do not have the power to suppress anyone's speech. If they can't post it here, they can easily find somewhere else to post it.

160 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:17:31pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Charles, if you try that, I want a hat tip.

excellent! 1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9 Letters!

161 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:17:41pm

re: #155 Shug

I thought it was Rosie O'Donnel

Dont be silly. Rosie O'Donnel doesnt melt at anything less than 1500 degrees!

162 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:17:53pm

I've never seen Rosie's Hawiian nirth cerifikat, maybe she's not a citizen. I'm accepting contributions to take this to court, and have her officially declared an hallucination.

163 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:18:37pm

re: #161 Buster Bunny

Dont be silly. Rosie O'Donnel doesnt melt at anything less than 1500 degrees!

Please, let's not make fat people jokes, we are all bigger than that.

164 loflyer  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:18:38pm

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

It's snowing in Golden. My girlfriend lives 30 miles from here on the northeast side of Denver, so no cuddle tonight, not real safe to drive. We have 5 shows this week, Thursday night, two on Friday and one on Sat. and Sun. Busy week. Feeling frisky. How's you?

You can always go across the street and flirt with the cashier mate!

165 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:18:48pm

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

Charles is out debate moderator. (As well as Stinky, of course.)

166 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:19:11pm

re: #108 Charles

A typo that stayed up for a full day, I might add.

That's nothin'...I have typos at my website that have been up for months.

167 Zimriel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:19:17pm

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree that Charles has the right to set his own house rules, but by definition, he's acting as a censor, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING. Setting the parameters for discourse is Charles' prerogative, and there's nothing WRONG with that

Bingo. I don't come here to wade through a, to borrow a phrase, "political cesspool" of kooks and bigots.

168 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:19:28pm

re: #88 Shr_Nfr

Short of Berg prevailing, which is about the equal of the impact of a large asteroid on earth, the birth certificate thing is over. So be it.

The Borg always prevail, resistance is futile.

169 LilyGecko  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:19:36pm

re: #162 itellu3times

I've never seen Rosie's Hawiian nirth cerifikat, maybe she's not a citizen. I'm accepting contributions to take this to court, and have her officially declared an hallucination.

I'm getting really tired of Rosie. Could I join you?

:) JK.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:19:44pm

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

Obviously friskier than you. Ain't no such thing as unsafe to drive if there's lovin' at the end of the road.

;)

Started listening to the Jo Stafford version of "I'll Be Seeing You", immediately switched to Jimmy Durante. Don't know what he had, but he had it.

171 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:20:39pm

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

I prefer to think of it as a way of keeping a clean house.

The papers spent years building up a reputation for being standards and then go let themselves down chasing the easy buck. People actually respect standards. And sticking pages of nonsense aint much of a standard eh?

Charles has every right to keep a standard. It keeps what he says and what his blog says believable and honest. And thats worth protecting.

... Now .. about that page 3 girls section we were talking about ...

172 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:21:34pm

The important thing about the spinoff links is that they are a good source and round up of news. If a lot of non sensical noise gets posted there then they become less reliable. Many bloggers now hit the am thread spinoffs first thing in the morning to see what's up, so if we use the garbage in garbage out maxim...

173 Zimriel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:21:37pm

Ah well... I also shouldn't come here to argue over the semantics of terms like "censor"... or "social conservative", which I understand is also good for a flame war...

/backs slowly away

174 loflyer  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:21:53pm

Ozark, I clicked on your name and it took me to a defunct you tube video. I hate it when you-tube does that mate!

175 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:21:54pm
176 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:22:11pm

I think that the odds of Angelina Jolie returning my calls are greater than the "birth certificate" issue gaining any traction.

Hey my phone is ringing!

Crap. Wrong number.

177 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:22:47pm

re: #176 rwmofo

I think that the odds of Angelina Jolie returning my calls are greater than the "birth certificate" issue gaining any traction.

Hey my phone is ringing!

Crap. Wrong number.

I keep ringing and all i get is Brad Pitt saying .. GO AWAY.

178 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:23:09pm

***
Dateline Zulu 2230 hrs. Somewhere deep in a Colorado Mountain..
A red phone rings..
Operator: May I help you sir?
Voice: mmm...hello? Is this for real?
Operator: Who do you wish to speak too?
Voice...Well I'm a poster on LGF and had a question for the General...please?
Operator: LGF? well one moment please!
Voice...I am in so much troub..
General: Yess! who is it!
Voice: mmm sir.. I heard that you were with President Bush right now and I had a question to ask to ask the CIC...aaa
General: Who the hell is this?
Voice: Just a blogger on LGF and if you would...
General: Hold on.. Mufffled.. Sir I have a question for you..
General: Ok shoot what's up soldier?
Voice: mmm..I was just wondering why President kissed Babs at the party the other night..I mean she doesn't seem like the type...
General: Hold on: mufffled..Hey..why did you kiss Babs the other night? Sir?
Bush: Laughing and giggling..Listen when I saw her across the room Laura gave me a big shove and told me to go say Hi.. I protested but she said if I didn't get over there right this second there would be no books in my presidential library...So I gave her a great big smoooch.. Laughter..more giggling..
General: Did ya get that?
Voice: yes but can I quote..Click!
Dialtone
***
/hey i was bored..sorry..:)
// But it explains alot

179 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:23:24pm

re: #74 CapeCoddah

I routinely drive Rolls, Bentley, Mercedes and Jaguar for work. I love getting back in my Jeep. Best cars ever.

Cape Coddah -

Still love my FORD FOCUS. When it dies, with reference to economical repair, I shall replace it. Until then, I shall drive it into the ground unless walking or riding my Bicycle. Unless of course I win the Lottery - in which case there is another "Ford" in my future - a Mazda 6, 4cyl, 6 speed manual assembled in Flat Rock, Michigan by UAW members.

-S-

180 Zimriel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:23:31pm

re: #138 sadhu

also, although I was just friggin livid at how idiotic and uninformed people were to fall for the big Zero

1) he is going to be the next President
2) he shat in his pants when he got his first intelligence briefing
3) some of his appointments make me feel like the dude may be a pragmatist

so...on with the show

I daresay my hair would turn white and I'd run gibbering into the street if I heard half the shit Dubya etc have to hear every morning.

181 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:23:40pm

re: #159 Charles

No, it's not censoring. I do not have the power to suppress anyone's speech. If they can't post it here, they can easily find somewhere else to post it.

Charles, you're the host, and I respect you very much, but I have to disagree. When you delete comments, you are removing communicative material that you consider objectionable, You are censoring that material that appears on your site, which is well within your rights, I censor the material that I allow in my students' work, which is not just my right but sometimes my obligation as a teacher. Citizens are allowed to set and enforce standards, and it's called censorship. We are NOT censoring the individual; we are censoring the material that we allow to be presented in our area of control.

182 LilyGecko  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:23:46pm

re: #176 rwmofo

I think that the odds of Angelina Jolie returning my calls are greater than the "birth certificate" issue gaining any traction.

Has she taken out any restraining orders yet?

183 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:23:50pm

re: #141 Alouette

That's "Birth Certificate" in LOLspeak

When I first saw it several days ago, I thought it was a 'cleft lip' joke (sorry). :D

184 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:23:54pm
185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:24:25pm

re: #178 HoosierHoops

Defining awkward.

186 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:25:22pm

re: #167 Zimriel

Bingo. I don't come here to wade through a, to borrow a phrase, "political cesspool" of kooks and bigots.

I waded through a political cesspool of kooks and bigots before I found LGF. I have done my time, and never looked back, as I am sure is the case with most of us. This is such a wonderful relief from that, I will gladly stand guard any time. What we have here at LGF is to be protected at all costs, and Charles deserves the credit for this paradise of sanity and reason in that cesspool. I am so very grateful for what Charles gave us here, especially when one stops and thinks about the time he takes out of his life to provide that for us. I am profoundly grateful.

187 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:25:38pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

Charles, you're the host, and I respect you very much, but I have to disagree. When you delete comments, you are removing communicative material that you consider objectionable, You are censoring that material that appears on your site, which is well within your rights, I censor the material that I allow in my students' work, which is not just my right but sometimes my obligation as a teacher. Citizens are allowed to set and enforce standards, and it's called censorship. We are NOT censoring the individual; we are censoring the material that we allow to be presented in our area of control.

Sorry, I disagree strongly. Setting rules about what cannot be posted at a private site is NOT "censorship." I do not and cannot "suppress" anyone's free speech, because they can simply go elsewhere and post whatever they want.

Only governments have the power to censor, by definition.

188 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:26:12pm

re: #187 Charles

Sorry, I disagree strongly. Setting rules about what cannot be posted at a private site is NOT "censorship." I do not and cannot "suppress" anyone's free speech, because they can simply go elsewhere and post whatever they want.

Only governments have the power to censor, by definition.

We will agree to disagree without being disagreeable.

189 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:26:46pm

What can I say - all I can think of is to quote Blue Swede:

Uga chacka uga uga! Uga chacka uga uga! Uga chacka uga uga! Uga chacka uga uga!

aHHHAAAaa...

190 loflyer  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:26:56pm

OT for early MTV fans, here is an 80's music video site. Takes me back to the days when rock 'n roll was still great and the video was king, mates.

191 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:27:01pm

re: #187 Charles

Page 3 girls .. YAY !

192 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:27:13pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

Charles, you're the host, and I respect you very much, but I have to disagree. When you delete comments, you are removing communicative material that you consider objectionable, You are censoring that material that appears on your site, which is well within your rights, I censor the material that I allow in my students' work, which is not just my right but sometimes my obligation as a teacher. Citizens are allowed to set and enforce standards, and it's called censorship. We are NOT censoring the individual; we are censoring the material that we allow to be presented in our area of control.

splitting hairs...you get popped by Charles and go into a narcissistic censor victim mode...buck up or post elsewhere...the rules are there for a reason and if a poster cant see it for what it is then c'ya...it's not semantics

193 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:28:02pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

Charles, you're the host, and I respect you very much, but I have to disagree. When you delete comments, you are removing communicative material that you consider objectionable, You are censoring that material that appears on your site, which is well within your rights, I censor the material that I allow in my students' work, which is not just my right but sometimes my obligation as a teacher. Citizens are allowed to set and enforce standards, and it's called censorship. We are NOT censoring the individual; we are censoring the material that we allow to be presented in our area of control.

My view is that Charles is just trying to keep the clowns from embarrassing us all.

194 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:28:03pm

When Kosher Cows Fly!

Saudi: "Arabs Waste Time Trying to Destroy Israel"

(IsraelNN.com) A Saudi Arabia columnist, in a rare expression of a pro-Israel view, wrote in the London-based Arabic-language daily newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that Arabs have wasted time and money trying to destroy the Jewish State.

Mash'al Al-Sudairi's column, translated by The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), stated that although the "Jewish 'occupation of a part of Palestine constitutes great oppression,'" the Arabs have a history of self-inflicted blows" resulting from opposition to the re-establishment of the Jewish State of Israel.


"When, in the early 1930s, we were offered 80 percent of Palestine, while the Jews were offered 20 percent, we rejected the offer. In the late 1940s, we were offered 49 percent of Palestine, and the Jews 51 percent, and we rejected that [offer]," al-Sudairi wrote.

He criticized the Arab world for exhausting all of its resources over the issue of "Palestine" and wasting money and time. I am positive, [and am willing] to bet and even to swear by Allah, that if only 10 percent of the money that the Arab countries invested in arming their forces during the futile fighting [with Israel] had been invested in what was left of Palestine and its people, the West Bank and Gaza would now be enjoying a living standard higher than that of Singapore," he added.

Sudairi also commented on Iran's occupation of three Persian Gulf islands. "With all the turmoil over the Palestinian issue, we have completely forgotten that other Arab countries have been robbed of parts of their territories, in broad daylight, and we never uttered a word of protest," the Saudi columnist noted.

195 HelloDare  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:28:24pm
196 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:28:44pm

re: #189 Cattt

197 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:28:44pm

re: #179 Dr. Shalit
per year

Cape Coddah -

Still love my FORD FOCUS. When it dies, with reference to economical repair, I shall replace it. Until then, I shall drive it into the ground unless walking or riding my Bicycle. Unless of course I win the Lottery - in which case there is another "Ford" in my future - a Mazda 6, 4cyl, 6 speed manual assembled in Flat Rock, Michigan by UAW members.

-S-

LOL I hear you. I bought my 95 Jeep grand Cherokee new, and it has 193K on it now. Hubby begs me to trade it, but, there is nothing wrong with it, I have over the years put in a new starter, tires, brakes, oil, tuneups... It is paid for, costs me $300 per year and I have the title. I'm keeping it.

198 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:28:47pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

Charles, you're the host, and I respect you very much, but I have to disagree. When you delete comments, you are removing communicative material that you consider objectionable, You are censoring that material that appears on your site, which is well within your rights, I censor the material that I allow in my students' work, which is not just my right but sometimes my obligation as a teacher. Citizens are allowed to set and enforce standards, and it's called censorship. We are NOT censoring the individual; we are censoring the material that we allow to be presented in our area of control.

Let's call it "Selective information filtration".
/shithouse lawyer out

199 The Mongoose  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:29:11pm

Yes, this is censorship. In the same sense that using a filter to block penis enlargement spam is censoring the spammer.

200 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:29:24pm

re: #172 Thanos

The important thing about the spinoff links is that they are a good source and round up of news. If a lot of non sensical noise gets posted there then they become less reliable. Many bloggers now hit the am thread spinoffs first thing in the morning to see what's up, so if we use the garbage in garbage out maxim...

I wish more people would recognize that and stop spamming their blogs with stories that are already out there on well-traveled sites.

People, if all you do is link to another website's content, without providing some kind of added insight, you've just wasted the reader's time. This is particularly true if you're linking to foxnews, cnn, etc; less so if it's a little traveled news source.

201 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:17pm

re: #198 Soona'

Let's call it "Selective information filtration".
/shithouse lawyer out

Yeah .. thats what i say. He keepeth the stuff good .. he keepeth the stuff clean. He says dont post no crap, and he means it. So there !

/Page 3 girls .. Yay!

202 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:19pm

re: #149 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

The mother of all Nirth Certifikit links:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]


Delete that, Charles!

Hee hee hee.

203 lostlakehiker  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:20pm

It all depends on what the meaning of "censor" is. The Constitution provides that the government shall not abridge freedom of speech or freedom of the press.

But LGF is not part of the government.

We all engage in a certain amount of self censorship, with the exception, perhaps, of people with Tourette syndrome. For the few who provide a type of public forum, there is again some censorship. There has to be. If I allowed just anyone to break in

JFK's birth certificate was forged by the mafia, acting under instructions from UFO's. Obama was never born anywhere; and the proof of this is that no one has ever seen his navel. Also, steel doesn't melt at any temperature at all; it stays cold no matter what a fire tries to do to it. Who has not heard the phrase "cold steel"?


and post inside my post, it'll look like I'm a troofer. We can't have

You're trying to censor me. I have a right to be hurd two. You just thank you no more than me. But u dont. Ur tryna shut down free inkry into the world conspirsee. Ur all in on it.

that.

Oh, and you in the block quotes---I let you speak your piece. But frankly, you're just a figment of my imagination, and I'm tired of

Arrrgh. I'm melting

you.

204 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:22pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

editorial decisions are at the discretion of the LGF creator, authority, publisher and owner (and big scary Lizard in Chief)

205 Sol Roth  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:30pm

re: #194 WrathofG-d

Wow. Haram Pigs Fly Today.

(pretty sure that guy's going to get something chopped off for that though)

206 bulwrk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:37pm

All this talk about Obama having his girth certified is just silly.


Emily Litella

207 sngnsgt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:40pm

We don't need no stinkin' Nirth Certifikit, Barry O. decended upon us.

(cue: religious sounding organ music)

208 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:40pm

re: #174 loflyer

Ozark, I clicked on your name and it took me to a defunct you tube video. I hate it when you-tube does that mate!

Thanks Loflyer, I guess the video I had linked to got pulled by whoever posted it because it did work, but I corrected it and it works now! Upding for letting me know, though.

209 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:30:41pm

re: #194 WrathofG-d

When Kosher Cows Fly!

Saudi: "Arabs Waste Time Trying to Destroy Israel"

(IsraelNN.com) A Saudi Arabia columnist, in a rare expression of a pro-Israel view, wrote in the London-based Arabic-language daily newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that Arabs have wasted time and money trying to destroy the Jewish State.

Mash'al Al-Sudairi's column, translated by The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), stated that although the "Jewish 'occupation of a part of Palestine constitutes great oppression,'" the Arabs have a history of self-inflicted blows" resulting from opposition to the re-establishment of the Jewish State of Israel.


"When, in the early 1930s, we were offered 80 percent of Palestine, while the Jews were offered 20 percent, we rejected the offer. In the late 1940s, we were offered 49 percent of Palestine, and the Jews 51 percent, and we rejected that [offer]," al-Sudairi wrote.

He criticized the Arab world for exhausting all of its resources over the issue of "Palestine" and wasting money and time. I am positive, [and am willing] to bet and even to swear by Allah, that if only 10 percent of the money that the Arab countries invested in arming their forces during the futile fighting [with Israel] had been invested in what was left of Palestine and its people, the West Bank and Gaza would now be enjoying a living standard higher than that of Singapore," he added.

Sudairi also commented on Iran's occupation of three Persian Gulf islands. "With all the turmoil over the Palestinian issue, we have completely forgotten that other Arab countries have been robbed of parts of their territories, in broad daylight, and we never uttered a word of protest," the Saudi columnist noted.

Pigs are flying and that guy really really needs to get some protection STAT!

210 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:31:20pm

The Definition Of Censorship

Although that being shown, censorship is only a "right violation" (1st A) when done by the Government.

211 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:31:29pm

re: #199 The Mongoose

Yes, this is censorship. In the same sense that using a filter to block penis enlargement spam is censoring the spammer.

Yeah, ya gotta be careful with those remedies. Now I need to get mine reduced and I'm getting spammed by Lorena Bobbitt.

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:31:45pm

re: #189 Cattt

Hey Cattt? Ever wondered how the folks who produced this song decided to Uga Chacka? Where in the hell did that come from?

213 96RoadKing  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:31:52pm

re: #187 Charles

Hey, it's your site. Anyone wants to say something you find objectionable can simply go to another site that has different standards.

If you get too inflexible, you'll have no visitors. So far (although I'm admittedly new), I haven't seen evidence of too much starch in your shorts.

214 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:32:02pm

The only reason for yelling "censorship!" it to equate editorial choice or personal expression with suppression of Constitutional rights. Ironically, this is an attempt at actual censorship by effectively criminalizing such choices.

For those who are fuzzy on definitions, actual, literal, common-law defined censorship is right around the corner in the form of the Orwellian named "Fairness doctrine" and a proposal to extend broadcast "localism" to a requirement that "local leaders" (community activists) be included in programming decisions.

215 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:32:32pm

re: #205 Sol Roth

re: #209 JohnnyReb

Someone is going to be branded as a "hidden Zionist", and thrown in jail as a Zionist-entity spy.

But when you are right...you're right.

216 poopeedoo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:33:24pm

re: #192 albusteve

Goddess sounded kind and respectful towards Charles, she just disagrees with his point of view. You don't need to be sound like a jerk.

217 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:33:26pm

re: #193 rwmofo

Amen!

Now. About those carnivorous Lizards I saw through the porthole of a UFO. Um. How many realize they're actually publishing A COOOK BOOOK!

218 bosforus  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:33:43pm

re: #209 JohnnyReb

Pigs are flying and that guy really really needs to get some protection STAT!

It could be seen that way, but note that by the end of the article he's really saying they should be just as mad at everyone else.

219 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:34:16pm

re: #217 Joan

Amen!

Now. About those carnivorous Lizards I saw through the porthole of a UFO. Um. How many realize they're actually publishing A COOOK BOOOK!

Why yes, yes indeed there is a cookbook in the works.

It should be available very very soon.

220 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:34:20pm

re: #188 goddessoftheclassroom

We will agree to disagree without being disagreeable.

goddess -

On this one, Charles is right - HE is not a Government - in effect, he is an EDITOR. If/When you want to say something he is not comfortable with, use the "Comments" link as I have, one well more than one issue.

-S-

221 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:34:26pm

re: #194 WrathofG-d


if only 10 percent of the money... had been invested in what was left of Palestine and its people, the West Bank and Gaza would now be enjoying a living standard higher than that of Singapore

Nice sentiment Mash'al Al-Sudairi. Yet I think you need to factor work ethic into your equation.

222 loflyer  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:34:28pm

re: #208 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Thanks Loflyer, I guess the video I had linked to got pulled by whoever posted it because it did work, but I corrected it and it works now! Upding for letting me know, though.

I didn't realize OMD did that song. Nice cut mate!

223 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:34:34pm

As a cxhange of scenery, could we have a thread on the moonbats who don't think we ever went there? Just to see if the same supporters are the ones we have come to love in other similar cognitive areas.

224 poopeedoo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:34:41pm

re: #216 poopeedoo

Goddess sounded kind and respectful towards Charles, she just disagrees with his point of view. You don't need to be sound like a jerk.

PIMF!

225 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:35:10pm

Oops. Damn typos.

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:35:22pm

re: #192 albusteve

Steve, a little severe there.

227 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:35:22pm

re: #215 WrathofG-d

Hey I figure that 10% he was talking about would make Gaza and Palestine the friggin Jewel of the Mideast. And it would only take about 1% IMO.

Remember Beirut in the 1970s prior to the trouble there? It was THE vacation destination for Europeans before all the troubles.

228 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:35:30pm

re: #221 experiencedtraveller

Nice sentiment Mash'al Al-Sudairi. Yet I think you need to factor work ethic into your equation.

The amount of money pissed in the 'Palestinians' direction is ENORMOUS. Suffice to say that if it wasnt supplied, there wouldnt be a warzone.

229 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:35:42pm

All this discussion reminds me of most conversations about "discrimination."

Beware morons misusing terms, and making a big deal out of nothing.

Now, see, most would tell you that you are not able to discriminate, or that you shouldn't discriminate. Yet living would be impossible if you didn't. Without discrimination you would be unable to pick one food over another, or one car over the other, or one time to wake up in the morning over another.

The term Censorship too is often most dangerous in the hands of idiots that misuse it.

230 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:36:33pm

re: #212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Cattt? Ever wondered how the folks who produced this song decided to Uga Chacka? Where in the hell did that come from?


I think its Swahili for ants in the pants, But I have been known to be full of s**t.

231 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:36:37pm

re: #209 JohnnyReb

That Saudi was a brave man. I hope others are also brave.

232 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:37:10pm
233 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:37:31pm

Pop-culture prophets like Lenny Bruce and Hugh Hefner first started referring to things like the movie code and network standards as "censorship" back in the 1950s. At the time, they and their audience understood clearly that it was really a joke, an analogy by hyperbole. By the mid-60s, however, they had found that the brain-dead youth of the Boomer generation were so ill-educated as to take this strained analogy as a literal fact.

234 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:37:35pm

re: #219 reine.de.tout

Awesome! hmmm. "gamey buttocks with morel mushrooms" ? Will we be allowed to purchase the cookbook? That would be really fun!

235 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:37:48pm

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Obviously friskier than you. Ain't no such thing as unsafe to drive if there's lovin' at the end of the road.

;)

Started listening to the Jo Stafford version of "I'll Be Seeing You", immediately switched to Jimmy Durante. Don't know what he had, but he had it.

I love Jonathan and Darlene Edwards.

236 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:37:54pm

Ok I am going to self censor and revel in the glory of the Saudi's statement off of LGF.

HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY! Discriminate wisely.

237 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:38:07pm

re: #229 WrathofG-d

All this discussion reminds me of most conversations about "discrimination."

Beware morons misusing terms, and making a big deal out of nothing.

Now, see, most would tell you that you are not able to discriminate, or that you shouldn't discriminate. Yet living would be impossible if you didn't. Without discrimination you would be unable to pick one food over another, or one car over the other, or one time to wake up in the morning over another.

The term Censorship too is often most dangerous in the hands of idiots that misuse it.

re: Discrimination.

The word itself has gotten reputation, needlessly.

There is illegal discrimination.

And then there is the discriminating we do every day to, as you say, get through the day.

But too man folks hear the word "discrimination", and immediately what comes to their mind is the sort of discrimination that is illegal.

238 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:38:17pm

re: #220 Dr. Shalit

goddess -

On this one, Charles is right - HE is not a Government - in effect, he is an EDITOR. If/When you want to say something he is not comfortable with, use the "Comments" link as I have, one well more than one issue.

-S-

If Charles previewed every comment first, he'd be editing. An editor changes text or does not publish it; a censor deletes it. Why is "censor" being treated as an insult? It's not. It does not require defense or apology, but neither should its definition be ignored.

239 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:38:23pm
240 AuntAcid  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:38:30pm

Charles is the "tire spikes" and running on the rims in his neighborhood is verboten.

241 LilyGecko  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:38:40pm

I'm going to discriminate by choosing to say goodbye.

re: #236 WrathofG-d

Discriminate wisely.
242 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:38:57pm

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Steve, a little severe there.

I didnt mean to imply Goddess was the 'you'...'you' being those so called censored posters...it came out wrong...my bad

243 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:39:03pm

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

Just who are you calling a "moral mushroom?"

Dont get into such a shitake about it.

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:39:16pm

re: #230 DEZes

Well, I'll be. It is spelled Ooka Shaka.

245 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:39:16pm

re: #231 Joan

That Saudi was a brave man. I hope others are also brave.

Dead man walking.

246 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:39:26pm
247 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:39:38pm

re: #217 Joan

Amen!

Now. About those carnivorous Lizards I saw through the porthole of a UFO. Um. How many realize they're actually publishing A COOK BOOK!

Yes..and everybody needs to buy it! An amazing collection of great recipes of so many Lizards..
There is the original recipe for the Waldorf Salad from NYC that my mom scammed while she was playing golf in a tournament there years ago..

248 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:39:49pm

re: #237 reine.de.tout

But too man folks hear the word "discrimination", and immediately what comes to their mind is the sort of discrimination that is illegal.

Yes, as is similarly occuring here on LGF re: Censorship. These people keep saying "censorship" but then make Constitutional 1st Amendment arguments.

Some people know just enough to be dangerous only!

Ok I really am out of here now. Have a good one.

249 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:39:59pm

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Your quik!

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:40:11pm

re: #242 albusteve

Tell Goddess you love her.
Tell Goddess you need her.
Tell Goddess not to cry
You're love for her, will never die.

Ooka Shaka.

251 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:40:15pm

re: #229 WrathofG-d

All this discussion reminds me of most conversations about "discrimination."

Beware morons misusing terms, and making a big deal out of nothing.

Now, see, most would tell you that you are not able to discriminate, or that you shouldn't discriminate. Yet living would be impossible if you didn't. Without discrimination you would be unable to pick one food over another, or one car over the other, or one time to wake up in the morning over another.

The term Censorship too is often most dangerous in the hands of idiots that misuse it.

I've had class discussions on this very topic. The difference is between discrimination and bigotry/prejudice.

252 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:40:33pm

re: #234 Joan

Awesome! hmmm. "gamey buttocks with morel mushrooms" ? Will we be allowed to purchase the cookbook? That would be really fun!

Yes indeed!
LGF readers contributed the recipes.
The name is:
Royal Cuisine of Upper Lizardia: Gamy Buttocks, Treats and Foods That Will Win the Green

The name was coined from suggestions of several lizards.

Updates on the progress are posted here, and when it's ready for purchase, the link will be there too.

253 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:40:53pm

re: #240 AuntAcid

Charles is the "tire spikes" and running on the rims in his neighborhood is verboten.

What about supercharging the blog .. painting it pink and revving it up outside the front of the police station? Or in front of the shopping mall? Lets give this blog EXTRA JUICE and see how far it goes !

254 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:41:15pm

re: #229 WrathofG-d

All this discussion reminds me of most conversations about "discrimination."

I was crafting a post about the word discrimination, our new 'dirty word' but you've saved me the effort.

I will censor myself then. ;-)

255 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:41:28pm

re: #247 HoosierHoops

Yes..and everybody needs to buy it! An amazing collection of great recipes of so many Lizards..
There is the original recipe for the Waldorf Salad from NYC that my mom scammed while she was playing golf in a tournament there years ago..

yep.
It should be ready soon, HH!

256 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:41:47pm

That's our second nirth certifikit meltdown of the day.

257 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:41:52pm
Any posted spinoff links that try to promote the “Obama birth certificate” nonsense will be deleted. If you insist on continuing to post such links, I’ll block your account.

Enough is more than enough.


I guess some folks just don't know when to cut the umbilical cord.

258 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:42:00pm

Totally missed that one.

259 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:42:11pm

Ok, please allow me to put this Censorship issue away before I leave.

(A) Charles IS censoring information on his site.
(B) If you don't like it, go to a site that doesn't censor!

(C) Thank you, have a great day...babies!

260 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:42:50pm
261 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:42:50pm

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tell Goddess you love her.
Tell Goddess you need her.
Tell Goddess not to cry
You're love for her, will never die.

Ooka Shaka.

Ooka Shakax2 bro...I dont mean to indict another poster personally...it was bad lingo

262 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:43:40pm

To whom it may concern:

I will not allow you to place Nirth Certificate propaganda stickers on my Lexus. So call up the FBI and file a complaint against me for violating your First Amendment rights.
The latter is essentially what pop-culturists and their debased fellow travelers, the conspiraloons, are doing when they try to equate the denial of a private forum, as well as criticism and opposition, with a violation of the law.

263 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:43:44pm

re: #261 albusteve

Ooka Shakax2 bro...I dont mean to indict another poster personally...it was bad lingo

It's all good! :)

264 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:43:57pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

I disagree with that. Editing and censoring are not the same thing. An editor removes worthless crap (well, an editor SHOULD remove worthless crap) from a news source he/she is editing. Some other news source can run it, or the writer can publish his/her own news source. An editor is not required to run every damn thing people send in - or even required to print every letter to the editor.

265 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:44:02pm

I've been reading Lenny Bruce's autobiography and he was pretty much a lying, thieving scumbag moonbat.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:44:09pm

re: #261 albusteve

Oh, I know...was just being silly. That dang Ooka Shaka thing got me a little giddy.

267 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:44:19pm
268 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:44:39pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel

To whom it may concern:

I will not allow you to place Nirth Certificate propaganda stickers on my Lexus. So call up the FBI and file a complaint against me for violating your First Amendment rights.
The latter is essentially what pop-culturists and their debased fellow travelers, the conspiraloons, are doing when they try to equate the denial of a private forum, as well as criticism and opposition, with a violation of the law.

I see the problem here. You drive a Lexus.

269 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:45:15pm

re: #265 Boogberg

I've been reading Lenny Bruce's autobiography and he was pretty much a lying, thieving scumbag moonbat.

But he was funny !

270 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:45:23pm

re: #265 Boogberg

I've been reading Lenny Bruce's autobiography and he was pretty much a lying, thieving scumbag moonbat.

That's what I said, a prophet and icon of present-day commercial pop-culture.

271 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:45:26pm

re: #256 Charles

That's our second nirth certifikit meltdown of the day.

But you have to admit Charles..the first one was kind of funny..They walked to the edge..ask to be banned..wrote you a nasty email and then jumped..
If you ever published a book of your email it.. I'd be first in line to buy it..

272 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:45:37pm
273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:45:49pm

re: #265 Boogberg

I've been reading Lenny Bruce's autobiography and he was pretty much a lying, thieving scumbag moonbat.

I might have found him funnier and more subversive in his time. I watch him now and I yawn. Want subversive? Bill Hicks. Bill Freaking Hicks.

274 loflyer  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:09pm

re: #246 warnergt

WienerGT, glad to see you has the balls to reply. I suggest you start your on blog and provide the same professional services that Charles provides us. Charles has deleted several of 'me posts concerning my detest for his creationism threads. It's his blog not yours. When you do the work and provide the services you get to make the rules. If I was Charles I would ban you for stupidity, mate.

275 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:11pm

re: #263 goddessoftheclassroom

It's all good! :)

nemasti...

276 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:11pm

re: #265 Boogberg

I've been reading Lenny Bruce's autobiography and he was pretty much a lying, thieving scumbag moonbat.


He was not pretty.

277 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:33pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops
which thread?

278 AuntAcid  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:35pm

re: #253 Buster Bunny

What about supercharging the blog .. painting it pink and revving it up outside the front of the police station? Or in front of the shopping mall? Lets give this blog EXTRA JUICE and see how far it goes !

Let me get the fuzzy dice.

279 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:36pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel

Pop-culture prophets like Lenny Bruce and Hugh Hefner first started referring to things like the movie code and network standards as "censorship" back in the 1950s. At the time, they and their audience understood clearly that it was really a joke, an analogy by hyperbole. By the mid-60s, however, they had found that the brain-dead youth of the Boomer generation were so ill-educated as to take this strained analogy as a literal fact.

I disagree. It was the education system, actually the higher education system that started to seed the minds of most of the flaming liberal idiots we have today. They and the "outsiders" (communists) who took it from the threshold of the classroom to the college bars and hang-outs. The Boomer generation was doing fine until it went to college.

280 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:51pm

re: #265 Boogberg

I've been reading Lenny Bruce's autobiography and he was pretty much a lying, thieving scumbag moonbat.

You forgot doper.

281 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:52pm

re: #264 Cattt

I disagree with that. Editing and censoring are not the same thing. An editor removes worthless crap (well, an editor SHOULD remove worthless crap) from a news source he/she is editing. Some other news source can run it, or the writer can publish his/her own news source. An editor is not required to run every damn thing people send in - or even required to print every letter to the editor.

Exactly; that's what I said: before publication, or refusing to publish, is editing; removing something after it's published is censorship, WHICH IS NOT EVIL OR MORALLY REPUGNANT AND WILL NOT GET CHARLES DAMNED TO HELL.

Whew!

282 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:46:55pm

re: #256 Charles

That's our second nirth certifikit meltdown of the day.

I was gone, on the phone with my sweetie, what happened?

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:47:34pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

Suicide by Charles?

Can we call purposeful banning "Suicide by Charles".

That may be a little mean, but "Suicide by Cop" is real. Why not this?

284 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:47:45pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I might have found him funnier and more subversive in his time. I watch him now and I yawn. Want subversive? Bill Hicks. Bill Freaking Hicks.

The late, great Bill Hicks was THE man!

285 Dave the.....  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:48:05pm

I go with Charles on this one. I don't want OBS bringing the site down.

286 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:48:23pm

re: #251 goddessoftheclassroom

I've had class discussions on this very topic. The difference is between discrimination and bigotry/prejudice.

Even prejudice isn't catagorically wrong.

Pre-judging a situation is useful in many situations. It is the recognition of patterns. For example, if I drive through two intersections every day, and at one, there is an accident at least once a week. At the other, one accident in 10 years. While it is true that thousands of cars go through the first section every week, so the accident rate is only ~1/5000, it is nonetheless NOT WRONG of me to be more careful at the first intersection. This does not mean that because I recognize a pattern that I believe all trips through the intersection result in an accident.

Likewise, because I am by definition less careful at the second intersection it does not mean that I am completely reckless as if I believe no accident could ever happen there.

287 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:48:26pm

re: #282 Walter L. Newton

I was gone, on the phone with my sweetie, what happened?

It was not pretty.

On another note .. I have just crossed the 1000 post Rubicon ! Hooray for my side !

/Page 3 girls .. YAY

288 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:48:31pm

re: #265 Boogberg

I've been reading Lenny Bruce's autobiography and he was pretty much a lying, thieving scumbag moonbat.

Yeah but what about Squiggy?

289 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:48:34pm

I've been pretty agnostic on Steele but I'm starting to warm up to him...
Michael Steele: We need to reach out to pro-choice Republicans

290 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:48:54pm

re: #212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Cattt? Ever wondered how the folks who produced this song decided to Uga Chacka? Where in the hell did that come from?

I do know they're Swedish. Maybe it's Swedish - - -- probably not. :D

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:49:22pm

re: #284 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

How can he be as obscure as he is?

292 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:49:36pm

re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom

Exactly; that's what I said: before publication, or refusing to publish, is editing; removing something after it's published is censorship, WHICH IS NOT EVIL OR MORALLY REPUGNANT AND WILL NOT GET CHARLES DAMNED TO HELL.

Whew!

OH. OK. :D Heh. Uga uga. I'm on vacaation!

293 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:49:39pm

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Suicide by Stinky sounds more demeaning.

294 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:49:51pm

re: #287 Buster Bunny

It was not pretty.

On another note .. I have just crossed the 1000 post Rubicon ! Hooray for my side !

/Page 3 girls .. YAY

Uh, you answer was worthless, but thanks for the try.
/s

295 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:49:55pm

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

I guess I won't mention the Coney Island vending machine which permits you to build your own customized Obama Birth Certificate.

Setting up another lizard to spray soda all over his keyboard is not nice...having said that ROFLMAO!

296 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:50:37pm

re: #197 CapeCoddah

per year


LOL I hear you. I bought my 95 Jeep grand Cherokee new, and it has 193K on it now. Hubby begs me to trade it, but, there is nothing wrong with it, I have over the years put in a new starter, tires, brakes, oil, tuneups... It is paid for, costs me $300 per year and I have the title. I'm keeping it.

Cape Coddah -

My "FF" is a 2002, about 65,000 miles, paid off as of last year. Still change my own oil and check the plugs for fouling and gap, little fouling and with Platinum Plugs, the gap has always been "in spec" after cleaning.
Ahh - the marvels of modern engineering. As for the Mazda 6, good engineering and Great Styling and an "almost domestic" status being icing on the cake.

-S-

297 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:50:48pm

re: #286 Silhouette

Even prejudice isn't catagorically wrong.

Pre-judging a situation is useful in many situations. It is the recognition of patterns. For example, if I drive through two intersections every day, and at one, there is an accident at least once a week. At the other, one accident in 10 years. While it is true that thousands of cars go through the first section every week, so the accident rate is only ~1/5000, it is nonetheless NOT WRONG of me to be more careful at the first intersection. This does not mean that because I recognize a pattern that I believe all trips through the intersection result in an accident.

Likewise, because I am by definition less careful at the second intersection it does not mean that I am completely reckless as if I believe no accident could ever happen there.

Excellent clarification. I stress to my students that prejudice is wrong when limiting one's judgment of another person to appearance rather than considering his or her character.

298 Truck Monkey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:50:50pm

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I'll be. It is spelled Ooka Shaka.

Ah yes...

299 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:50:56pm

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How can he be as obscure as he is?

He's was an acquired taste, I guess. And he lived to be what? 32?

300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:50:58pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Heard him on the radio the other day. Is very serious about expanding umbrella of the RNC.

Gosh bless him.

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:51:13pm

re: #293 Noam Sayin'

Suicide by Stinky sounds more demeaning.

I like it!

302 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:51:16pm

re: #71 warnergt

I can understand banning a topic you don't want covered on your website. But when you post material on the specific topic and then block legitimate responses to that material, it's censorship. I don't care what the topic is. You can do what you want with your website -- even censor it -- but I thought one of your goals would be to encourage discussion; not simply provide one-sided discussion. That's a technique of the Kos Kids.

When you say Horowitz "hits this one out of the park" when he defends ignoring parts of the Constitution because they are "technicalities," I have to say you are wrong - unequivocally wrong.

Censoring discussions - that's your prerogative - but don't forget what you're doing here.

Oh NO YOU DIDN'T just compare this site to Kos! Even a cursory glance at the two would reveal the folly of your statement. This site is safe for me, not that it always agrees with me- but here I do not have to put up the the wanton rabid antisemitism as the norm, and the constant gender abuse. . .which is rampant at kos.

You are a prick.

303 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:51:19pm

re: #290 Cattt

I do know they're Swedish. Maybe it's Swedish - - -- probably not. :D

In 1971, Jonathan King produced his own version, adding ooka shaka jungle chants similar to, but not exactly the same as, Johnny Preston's "Running Bear." King described it as "a reggae rhythm by male voices." His version was a Top 30 hit throughout Europe.
In 1974 the Swedish pop group Blue Swede with Björn Skifs as lead singer did a cover, with the ooka shaka introduction, that reached number one in the USA, and was revived on the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack in 1992.

304 loflyer  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:51:41pm

BBL mates, I got domestic chores to attend to! Arrr!

305 Dar ul Harbarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:00pm

Where did the lolcat 'Nirth Certifikit' phrase come from? Did Charles make it up or did it start somewhere else. What was the birth of nirth?

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:02pm

re: #299 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He's was an acquired taste, I guess. And he lived to be what? 32?

Effing cancer.

307 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:03pm

re: #286 Silhouette

Even prejudice isn't catagorically wrong.

Pre-judging a situation is useful in many situations. It is the recognition of patterns. For example, if I drive through two intersections every day, and at one, there is an accident at least once a week. At the other, one accident in 10 years. While it is true that thousands of cars go through the first section every week, so the accident rate is only ~1/5000, it is nonetheless NOT WRONG of me to be more careful at the first intersection. This does not mean that because I recognize a pattern that I believe all trips through the intersection result in an accident.

Likewise, because I am by definition less careful at the second intersection it does not mean that I am completely reckless as if I believe no accident could ever happen there.

Prejudice, discrimination, bias - we have become over-sensitive to several words because the law defines some behavior or actions as "illegal" discrimination, and the terms "prejudice" and "bias" have been used to describe some of the reasons why people engage in illegal discrimination.

308 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:04pm

re: #292 Cattt

OH. OK. :D Heh. Uga uga. I'm on vacaation!

Me Too! 4 day weekends for the whole month!

309 bosforus  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:10pm

I'm dreaming of a nirth certifikit
Just like the ones from Hawaii
Where the ink is smudged
Just because
Obama wants the presidency

Oh I-I-I-I am dreaming, of a nirth certifikit!
With every comment that I type
May your days may your days may your days be nirthy and bright
And may all you nirthers get a life

310 bosforus  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:39pm

oops, screwed up on the italics. oh well.

311 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:46pm

re: #288 experiencedtraveller

Yeah but what about Squiggy?

I haven't read Squiggy's autobiography. :D

312 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:53pm
313 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:52:58pm

Chains are required on I70 through Mt. Vernon Canyon. There is an accident on I70 at Genessee.

Monument Hill, on I25 south of Denver, is fucked up as usual. I swear there is a vile vortice on that hill.

314 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:53:38pm

re: #307 reine.de.tout

Those are perfectly good words that have been stolen and made to mean only one thing.

And I'm part of the resistance! ;-)

315 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:53:43pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I've been pretty agnostic on Steele but I'm starting to warm up to him...
Michael Steele: We need to reach out to pro-choice Republicans

I like him, even better than Palin, and I'm a Palin fan.

When he speaks, Steele sounds like a leader - Palin sounds like a cheerleader. I could never see her as a candidate for President for that reason. Steele, though . . .

316 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:54:07pm

re: #215 WrathofG-d

re: #209 JohnnyReb

Someone is going to be branded as a "hidden Zionist", and thrown in jail as a Zionist-entity spy.

But when you are right...you're right.

Sigh, my turn to be the Zionist Jew entity. . .

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:54:28pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

So...if I understand you... cold in Golden?

318 allan5oh  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:54:46pm

I have to agree with the "no links to nirth certificate" rule.

But on the flip side, the amount of "anti-nirth certificate" on this site is ridiculous. Of course there is going to be a strong response from the other side.

Maybe you should just drop the subject altogether, I don't know. That would probably work best, obviously you're quite frustrated about the whole controversy.

319 Rancher  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:54:47pm

Well I'm going to post what I feel to be the truth and if Charles deletes it then I'll whine about it until he warns me to shut up then I'll do it again and get banned and then I'll start an anti LGF web site.

Not.

320 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:56:26pm

re: #293 Noam Sayin'

Suicide by Stinky sounds more demeaning.

A little Sinatra Music please...
And now the end is near...I made a post
the end is nearing..
And now/ I stand so tall/ready to fall/I sent an email to charles
For safekeeping..
So now the end is near..
But I did it my way
/or something like that..Buzz?

321 Zimriel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:56:46pm

re: #293 Noam Sayin'

Suicide by Stinky sounds more demeaning.

Ever read Millar's Wanted?

322 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:57:19pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I've been pretty agnostic on Steele but I'm starting to warm up to him...
Michael Steele: We need to reach out to pro-choice Republicans

Good - he's a sharp cookie. I wish he'd won the senate race here, but this is a yelow dog state, and the brainwashed masses think they'll go to hell if they vote for a Republican. In a way, though, it was not a bad thing, since he is now in a position to lead the party, and he is pointed in the right direction, imho.

323 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:57:21pm

re: #293 Noam Sayin'

Suicide by Stinky sounds more demeaning.

When that fist of fate turns your way and the digit extends, you know you've just gotten the "stinky finger".
//:D

324 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:57:29pm

re: #318 allan5oh

Maybe you should just drop the subject altogether,

How can he drop it if it won't go away?

I don't know.

That's obvious.

325 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:57:57pm

re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So...if I understand you... cold in Golden?

It's just at 32. Should go down to 18 tonight. Snow is almost blowing sideways right now. It looks like there is still some rain mix in, but that won't last to long. The wind should die down really soon since it's dark. They are talking about 3 to 16 inches depending on where you are at in the county. Most snow should be south of Denver and next most snow should be west of Denver (me, west of Denver)

326 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:58:01pm
327 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:58:10pm

re: #229 WrathofG-d

All this discussion reminds me of most conversations about "discrimination."

Beware morons misusing terms, and making a big deal out of nothing.

Now, see, most would tell you that you are not able to discriminate, or that you shouldn't discriminate. Yet living would be impossible if you didn't. Without discrimination you would be unable to pick one food over another, or one car over the other, or one time to wake up in the morning over another.

The term Censorship too is often most dangerous in the hands of idiots that misuse it.

Amen. My pet peeve is "disenfranchised," which apparently now means "not getting what you want."

328 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:58:15pm

re: #319 Rancher

Well I'm going to post what I feel to be the truth and if Charles deletes it then I'll whine about it until he warns me to shut up then I'll do it again and get banned and then I'll start an anti LGF web site.

Not.

easy logic here in new mexico...spot on...I like the intellectual slant on the subject but in the end i just open a beer and go pffft! someone has to steer the boat you know?...

329 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:58:23pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bill Freaking Hicks.

Genius unrecognized, save for a few, before his time.

330 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:58:36pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

Chains are required on I70 through Mt. Vernon Canyon. There is an accident on I70 at Genessee.

Monument Hill, on I25 south of Denver, is fucked up as usual. I swear there is a vile vortice on that hill.

I'll be there for Christmas. While I have an Explorer (4WD) and live 800 miles away, I've had a trip or two slowed up by the snow (I had to sit in Springfield once for 6-7 hours). I've started flying just to make it easier (even though it costs more now since gas has dropped so much).

331 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:58:40pm

re: #318 allan5oh

I have to agree with the "no links to nirth certificate" rule.

But on the flip side, the amount of "anti-nirth certificate" on this site is ridiculous. Of course there is going to be a strong response from the other side.

Maybe you should just drop the subject altogether, I don't know. That would probably work best, obviously you're quite frustrated about the whole controversy.

Yes Charles can't you see it is all YOURfault.
///

332 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:59:01pm

re: #325 Walter L. Newton

It's just at 32. Should go down to 18 tonight. Snow is almost blowing sideways right now. It looks like there is still some rain mix in, but that won't last to long. The wind should die down really soon since it's dark. They are talking about 3 to 16 inches depending on where you are at in the county. Most snow should be south of Denver and next most snow should be west of Denver (me, west of Denver)

Stay safe and warm Walter...

333 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:59:03pm

re: #327 doppelganglander

Amen. My pet peeve is "disenfranchised," which apparently now means "not getting what you want."

I thought it meant getting thrown out of a McDonald's.

334 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:59:10pm

re: #314 Silhouette

Those are perfectly good words that have been stolen and made to mean only one thing.

And I'm part of the resistance! ;-)

Great!
I am part of the resistance, too!
I worked in HR for many years, and it is amazing how many employees have completely hoodwinked their supervisors and managers into complete inaction with cries of "Discrimination!" when somebody else gets a merit-based raise or promotion.

And the supervisor or manager is afraid to act to try to help poor performers along, because they've become afraid of the "discrimination" charge. It's so bad, even one HR director I dealt with was afraid to fire an employee who stole a credit card from a co-worker and made purchases with it!

There is "illegal" discrimination, based on non-merit factors, and then there is "discrimination" that is based on merit factors that is perfectly legal to engage in.

335 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:59:34pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

I think you're right. Although things may change but I still don't see Palin as presidential material.

336 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:59:35pm

If McCain had been elected and there had been a movement to judicially deny him the US presidency because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone rather than in some US state or territory, we'd be derisively howling "Moonbat!" until the cows came home and laid down and died, and fully expect and accept the inevitable Supreme Court slapdown of the contention. In fact, there was precisely such an attempt, from the bizarro Kossack left wing, to pre-emptively invalidate McCain's candidacy before the election by raising the issue, but it died the ignoble and justly marginalized death that it so richly deserved. It is entirely fair that people who continue to try to push the nirth certifikat issue also be labeled as moonbats. Moonbats, like idiotarians, are unfortunately not confined to a single wing of the political scene.

These people need to simply accept the fact that the voting majority has spoken, McCain lost the election and Obama won, that Obama will be our President for the next four years for better or for worse and whether they like it or not, and, to invoke the name of another eminently moonbattish organization, move on.

337 AuntAcid  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 4:59:38pm

re: #297 goddessoftheclassroom

Excellent clarification. I stress to my students that prejudice is wrong when limiting one's judgment of another person to appearance rather than considering his or her character.

My prejudice is a blessing in some ways because talking to strangers is like unwrapping a gift. I'm always surprised.

338 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:00:10pm

re: #330 rwmofo

I'll be there for Christmas. While I have an Explorer (4WD) and live 800 miles away, I've had a trip or two slowed up by the snow (I had to sit in Springfield once for 6-7 hours). I've started flying just to make it easier (even though it costs more now since gas has dropped so much).

Click on my name and if you go over to my website, you can get my address and phone number. If you are in the area, call if you have any time.

Loflyer will be stopping in on his way to skiing in 2009.

339 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:00:18pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

OF COURSE managers are discriminating in the choice of promotions and raises. The alternative is that they are completely random!

;-)

340 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:00:28pm

re: #314 Silhouette

Those are perfectly good words that have been stolen and made to mean only one thing.

And I'm part of the resistance! ;-)

Long as that doesnt mean a contemptuous beret or a Pali scarf .. i'm there.

341 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:00:45pm

re: #339 Silhouette

OF COURSE managers are discriminating in the choice of promotions and raises. The alternative is that they are completely random!

;-)

exactly.

342 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:01:07pm

re: #336 Salamantis
Damn fine post!

343 mattm  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:01:14pm

It's about 18F her in Western MA! Algore was wrong!

344 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:01:35pm
345 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:01:52pm

re: #326 buzzsawmonkey

If you're doing "Suicide by Stinky," the MASH theme song ("Suicide is Painless") fits better, especially because there's a rhyme between Stinky and linky that's dying to be made.

Perfect..I'm going to play around with it the next couple of days.

346 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:01:57pm

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

Thanks! I learn something new every day on this blog.

347 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:02:22pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

Stay safe and warm Walter...

Always. I grew up with snow in North Jersey, and the Denver area is really not as snowy as a lot of people think. I saw more snow in any given winter at Lake Hopatcong NJ than I ever saw in 20 years of living in the Denver area (except in winter 2006-7, we had 6 blizzards 6 weekends in a row).

348 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:02:35pm

re: #316 DisturbedEma

Sigh, my turn to be the Zionist Jew entity. . .

Can you please let the Rangers win the Stanley Cup this year?

349 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:02:51pm

So I see the MSM is reporting that any bounce to the stock market is due to Obama and his plans. When it drops again - will the MSM blame Obama?
I'm thinking...NO.

350 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:03:10pm

re: #333 Silhouette

I thought it meant getting thrown out of a McDonald's.

You ain't nothing if you haven't been thrown out a Subways...

351 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:03:16pm

re: #340 Buster Bunny

Long as that doesnt mean a contemptuous beret or a Pali scarf .. i'm there.

"Chauvinism" is a good example. We can no longer call out British lefties for their laughably obvious chauvinism (nationalalistic bigotry) because, frankly, too many people would wonder why we are accusing a gay and lesbian dominated sub-culture of sexism.

352 DEZes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:03:20pm

Night Lizards.
Keep warm!

353 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:03:41pm

re: #335 Killgore Trout

I think you're right. Although things may change but I still don't see Palin as presidential material.

she isnt yet...but she will catch a break and things will happen for her in time...I'm uncomfortable with her supposed super star status...same with BO...too close to idoltarianism or whatever

354 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:04:02pm

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

Got a full schedule this trip but will note it for later. GF is in Highlands Ranch (I lived there 17 years) and my youngest is in Greeley. We went to a wedding at one of the downtown Golden hotels in early November.

355 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:05:02pm

re: #321 Zimriel

Ever read Millar's Wanted?

No.

356 gettinby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:05:06pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

I like him, even better than Palin, and I'm a Palin fan.

When he speaks, Steele sounds like a leader - Palin sounds like a cheerleader. I could never see her as a candidate for President for that reason. Steele, though . . .

Steele/Palin '12

/a veep cheerleader is a good thing. ;)

Saw a bumper-sticker on a college kid's car today...

If it's too loud, you're too old.

LOL

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:05:08pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

May I try?


Through early morning fog I see
Bad Nirth Certifikit links for me
to ruin thought capacity
I realize and I can see...

[REFRAIN]:

It's Suicide by Stinky
You gave a taboo linky
and you can go with other troofers, please.

358 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:05:29pm

re: #354 rwmofo

Got a full schedule this trip but will note it for later. GF is in Highlands Ranch (I lived there 17 years) and my youngest is in Greeley. We went to a wedding at one of the downtown Golden hotels in early November.

You're kidding. Right here in town and you didn't even stop into the city lockup to say high. See how you are?

Which was it, table Mountain Inn or The Golden Hotel?

359 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:06:19pm

When they chuck the code pink clowns out of the Republican convention it's not censorship, we Charles boots nirth cirts links it's not censorship.

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:06:21pm

re: #326 buzzsawmonkey

If you're doing "Suicide by Stinky," the MASH theme song ("Suicide is Painless") fits better, especially because there's a rhyme between Stinky and linky that's dying to be made.

Oh crap. Look up to 357.

Well, aren't I clever.

Please do it better.

361 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:06:45pm

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

You're kidding. Right here in town and you didn't even stop into the city lockup to say high. See how you are?

Which was it, table Mountain Inn or The Golden Hotel?

Must have been The Golden Hotel. We'll be back.

362 LilyGecko  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:07:15pm

re: #343 mattm

Is this a surprise?

363 allan5oh  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:07:52pm

re: #324 solomonpanting

I was talking about the whole subject, not just the links.

364 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:08:07pm
365 LilyGecko  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:08:07pm

Crap. Just heard something shatter. Gotta go.

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:08:10pm

re: #336 Salamantis

I don't think its about the other guy winning anymore. It's just the new past- time of millions of nothing better to doers out there now.

I just ain't gonna play.

367 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:08:20pm

re: #352 DEZes

Night Lizards.
Keep warm!

Sorry i didn't get a chance to reply..Check the end of the overnight thread oor the first one after it..The poster was a fatslob..No not the way he looked..but the nic he used.
Dude just melted into the sidewalk...all that is left now is some old delete dust spread upon the wind...

368 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:08:38pm

re: #361 rwmofo

Must have been The Golden Hotel. We'll be back.

Ok. Well, I hope we can meet and say high, or at least you slip me a 20 dollar bill and I'll stay away from your function. Either way, works for me!
/

369 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:08:46pm

re: #194 WrathofG-d

And if the camel floggers actually made peace with Israel and worked cooperatively with them, all of Arabia might have that same standard of living. Unfortunately, the Koran effectively forbids it, both the cooperation, and the standard of living.

370 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:08:57pm

re: #280 Alouette

You forgot doper.

I could forgive that but not some of the other shit he claimed to have pulled. If he were alive today, he'd probably run an internet phishing ring. The creep.

371 Sloppy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:09:12pm

Walter --

Keep warm. Keep safe.

And keep the snow out west where it belongs.

372 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:09:19pm

If the local sheriff came out and arrested you on Charles's complaint that you had posted nirth certifikat nonsense here, that would be censorship.

If this happens, have your lawyer e-mail me and I will post your bail.

373 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:09:21pm

re: #356 gettinby

Steele/Palin '12

/a veep cheerleader is a good thing. ;)

Saw a bumper-sticker on a college kid's car today...

If it's too loud, you're too old.

LOL

Yes, I liked Palin as the VP pick.

374 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:09:46pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

May I try?


Through early morning fog I see
Bad Nirth Certifikit links for me
to ruin thought capacity
I realize and I can see...

[REFRAIN]:

It's Suicide by Stinky
You gave a taboo linky
and you can go with other troofers, please.

We have a Winner! I see possibilities here.. :)

375 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:09:55pm

OT - Rev. Wright really doesn't like O'Reilly and Hannity. REALLY doesn't like them.

376 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:10:06pm

re: #367 HoosierHoops

Sorry i didn't get a chance to reply..Check the end of the overnight thread oor the first one after it..The poster was a fatslob..No not the way he looked..but the nic he used.
Dude just melted into the sidewalk...all that is left now is some old delete dust spread upon the wind...

(I'll try again with this line. I used it about 200 posts ago, but it didn't even get a chuckle)

Hey, lets not make fun of fat people, we're bigger than that!

377 Russkilitlover  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:10:17pm

re: #335 Killgore Trout

I think you're right. Although things may change but I still don't see Palin as presidential material.

And I don't see Barry as presidential material. Never have. He will need to master a 90 degree learning curve and I'm sure his teeth are shaking with what he has been briefed on so far. That being said, I don't know why people are "accepting" Barry and still dissing Sarah.

378 LilyGecko  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:10:45pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

it didn't even get a chuckle

I chuckled!

379 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:10:49pm
380 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:10:52pm

re: #371 Sloppy

Walter -- Keep warm. Keep safe. And keep the snow out west where it belongs.

And were do you reside, Nanook?

381 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:11:04pm

re: #375 Cattt

OT - Rev. Wright really doesn't like O'Reilly and Hannity. REALLY doesn't like them.

That's the nicest compliment O'Reilly and Hannity have gotten on here in ages.

382 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:11:19pm

re: #336 Salamantis

If McCain had been elected and there had been a movement to judicially deny him the US presidency because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone rather than in some US state or territory, we'd be derisively howling "Moonbat!" until the cows came home and laid down and died, and fully expect and accept the inevitable Supreme Court slapdown of the contention. In fact, there was precisely such an attempt, from the bizarro Kossack left wing, to pre-emptively invalidate McCain's candidacy before the election by raising the issue, but it died the ignoble and justly marginalized death that it so richly deserved. It is entirely fair that people who continue to try to push the nirth certifikat issue also be labeled as moonbats. Moonbats, like idiotarians, are unfortunately not confined to a single wing of the political scene.

These people need to simply accept the fact that the voting majority has spoken, McCain lost the election and Obama won, that Obama will be our President for the next four years for better or for worse and whether they like it or not, and, to invoke the name of another eminently moonbattish organization, move on.

This is all I'll say about this. If the nirth certifikit is not that important, why did the framers ofr country put it into our US Constitution? Please answere.

383 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:11:22pm
384 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:11:34pm

re: #371 Sloppy

Walter --

Keep warm. Keep safe.

And keep the snow out west where it belongs.

snow is a good thing...snow is ground water...the whole upper midwest is drying out...snow is your friend...pray for snow and lots of it...

385 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:11:49pm

re: #379 ploome hineni

:D

It's the Ploomester!

Good evening, Ploome!
Hope you got your meds and are taking them.

386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:11:54pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

ahem.

387 Russkilitlover  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:11:55pm

re: #379 ploome hineni

:D

And how are you today? Breathing better? Got good meds?

388 Zimriel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:12:14pm

re: #359 Thanos

When they chuck the code pink clowns out of the Republican convention it's not censorship, we Charles boots nirth cirts links it's not censorship.

Thanks for explaining this in words I can understand.

389 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:12:24pm

re: #378 LilyGecko

I chuckled!

Thanks. But, unless I am channelling you, I can't hear it, so leave a little note next time. :)

390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:12:43pm

re: #383 ploome hineni

I snickered

/and snorted

Cool to be loved here, ain't it?

391 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:12:53pm
392 gettinby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:13:05pm

re: #384 albusteve

snow is a good thing...snow is ground water...the whole upper midwest is drying out...snow is your friend...pray for snow and lots of it...

I do...for other parts of the country.

/Call me a discriminator if you must!

393 LilyGecko  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:13:12pm

re: #384 albusteve


pray for snow and lots of it...

Could people with too much snow send some to my city? We get about -2 inches per year.

394 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:13:42pm

re: #391 ploome hineni

the rev Wright is a rich subject for analysis

he is some piece of work

So much hate in one little man.

And honored by thousands.

395 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:13:45pm

I am AMAZED at Charles' tolerance for this nirth certificate stuff! How many times does he have to say he's tired of it? What don't people understand? Sheesh...

396 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:09pm

re: #384 albusteve

snow is a good thing...snow is ground water...the whole upper midwest is drying out...snow is your friend...pray for snow and lots of it...

You got that. I think that all got lost in the election this year, but it has really been dry up here in Colorado this year. And guess what. A lot of you flatlanders south and west of here rely on our snow and rain.

397 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:13pm

re: #363 allan5oh

I was talking about the whole subject, not just the links.

Actually, Charles has repeatedly asked for links to stop. So, I ask, how can he drop the subject without making reference, however slight, to the subject?

398 bellamags  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:20pm

re: #375 Cattt

OT - Rev. Wright really doesn't like O'Reilly and Hannity. REALLY doesn't like them.

I just saw that. Rev. Wright is psycho.

399 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:29pm

Evening all. Thought this subject had died a slow, painful death but I guess not. People need hobbies, or we need some creative money making scheme off of stuff like this... I know! Let's do a conference call between the birth certificate kooks, the Sarah Palin didn't give birth to Trig loons AND the steel don't melt crowd! We set it up as a 900 number so people can call in an "eaves drop" on the stupidity of the conversation!

400 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:41pm

re: #393 LilyGecko

Could people with too much snow send some to my city? We get about -2 inches per year.

Town?

401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:42pm

re: #395 Floral Giraffe

Hi! I don't know you. Impressive neck you have there.

402 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:44pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

(I'll try again with this line. I used it about 200 posts ago, but it didn't even get a chuckle)

Hey, lets not make fun of fat people, we're bigger than that!

LOL
I missed that..But I've seen you..( with Roger mcfamous) and you are not fat.

403 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:46pm

re: #382 Soona'

This is all I'll say about this. If the nirth certifikit is not that important, why did the framers ofr country put it into our US Constitution? Please answere.

ofr= of our

404 Sloppy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:53pm

Walter - 380

I live in the southeast corner of Husker Nation, and we get enough snow without importing from Colorado.

405 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:14:55pm

re: #382 Soona'

The words nirth certifikit or any other variation are not in the Constitution. The Constitution says POTUS must be a natural born citizen over 35 years of age.

They didn't specify any way to prove it or what body polices the requirement.

/The framers just expected us to follow the rules...

406 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:15:00pm

re: #391 ploome hineni

the rev Wright is a rich subject for analysis

he is some piece of work

And he needs someone to double check his facts before his sermons - he got the dates for Hiroshima and Nagasaki wrong.

407 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:15:34pm

Would I be discriminating if I asked goddess to climb up on the piano and sing for us (and didn't ask FBV?)

408 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:15:52pm

re: #402 HoosierHoops

LOL
I missed that..But I've seen you..( with Roger mcfamous) and you are not fat.

Yea, but I was, that picture in my avatar is me about 6 years ago.

409 bellamags  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:00pm

re: #399 ArmyWife

Evening all. Thought this subject had died a slow, painful death but I guess not. People need hobbies, or we need some creative money making scheme off of stuff like this... I know! Let's do a conference call between the birth certificate kooks, the Sarah Palin didn't give birth to Trig loons AND the steel don't melt crowd! We set it up as a 900 number so people can call in an "eaves drop" on the stupidity of the conversation!

You would probably be talking to all of Ron Pauls supporters.

410 aRedPhishHead  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:03pm

Charles, this is clearly a sign that YOU'RE IN On TEH ConSpiRCyZ!LOL!@on1!

411 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:15pm

re: #392 gettinby

I do...for other parts of the country.

/Call me a discriminator if you must!

it mixes well with bourbon as well...I lived in the upper mid west for 50yrs...maybe I'm getting snobby...here in ABQ water is life!

412 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:16pm

re: #384 albusteve

snow is a good thing...snow is ground water...the whole upper midwest is drying out...snow is your friend...pray for snow and lots of it...

I've sub-Contracted the job of praying for no snow to Al Gore.

413 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:19pm

re: #382 Soona'

This is all I'll say about this. If the nirth certifikit is not that important, why did the framers ofr country put it into our US Constitution? Please answere.

The state of Hawaii has said that Obama was born there. Are you going to call an entire state liars? And last time I checked, Hawaii was already a US state when Obama was born there. That makes Obama a natural-born US citizen

This logic certainly must have sounded convincing to the Supreme Court, which decided not even to provide a soapbox to the moonbats - a decision that probably saddened the left, which could have made beaucoup political hay out of it.

414 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:39pm
415 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:48pm

re: #410 aRedPhishHead

Charles, this is clearly a sign that YOU'RE IN On TEH ConSpiRCyZ!LOL!@on1!

He is... just not that one. The other one.

Bwahaha

416 AuntAcid  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:54pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

(I'll try again with this line. I used it about 200 posts ago, but it didn't even get a chuckle)

Hey, lets not make fun of fat people, we're bigger than that!


But when you do you can avoid that whole karma thing by making the sign of the crossant.

417 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:55pm

re: #406 Cattt

And he needs someone to double check his facts before his sermons - he got the dates for Hiroshima and Nagasaki wrong.

RACIST! Who are you to correct a black minister?

/kidding

418 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:16:57pm

re: #405 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm still focusing on the natural born part. No kids whose mother's used epidurals. Natural birth only.

/still checking on whether polyester hospital bedding queers the deal too.

419 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:17:05pm

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot. A major idiot.

420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:17:24pm

re: #407 Jim in Virginia

I am the greatest piano top singing fat bastard vegetarian you've ever met. So there.

421 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:17:26pm

re: #393 LilyGecko

Could people with too much snow send some to my city? We get about -2 inches per year.

certainly...I'll get right on it...

422 Zimriel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:17:31pm

BUT NIRTH IZ N TEH KONSITUSHUN!

423 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:18:27pm

re: #418 Silhouette

I'm still focusing on the natural born part. No kids whose mother's used epidurals. Natural birth only.

/still checking on whether polyester hospital bedding queers the deal too.

That phrase was secretly put in their to avoid 'droids becoming president, duh!

424 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:18:32pm

re: #412 HoosierHoops

I've sub-Contracted the job of praying for no snow to Al Gore.

you just dont get it...GUARDS!

425 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:18:39pm

Here's O'Reilly endorsing Ben Stein's creationism:

426 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:18:50pm

re: #417 Dark_Falcon

RACIST! Who are you to correct a black minister?

/kidding

I wish he'd put a sock in it and go live in his million dollar mansion the church built for him, but he's too in love with the limelight to do that.

427 gettinby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:18:55pm

re: #407 Jim in Virginia

Would I be discriminating if I asked goddess to climb up on the piano and sing for us (and didn't ask FBV?)

Yes...if you just asked her and not any of the other beauties here.

But then, she would be discriminating if she did this and you did not know if it was really her or not. Yes?

/hi there!

428 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:18:59pm

re: #423 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

their = there PIMF

429 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:19:10pm

re: #419 Charles

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot. A major idiot.

I get a kick out of him.

430 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:19:22pm

re: #411 albusteve

it mixes well with bourbon as well...I lived in the upper mid west for 50yrs...maybe I'm getting snobby...here in ABQ water is life!

Water is a serious subject in your area (and mine). By the way, nice town (ABQ), Sandia tram rocks. I'm sort of a tram nut, ride them anytime I can. Done it in a number of countries, really like trams.

431 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:19:49pm
432 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:20:21pm

re: #416 AuntAcid

But when you do you can avoid that whole karma thing by making the sign of the crossant.

I'm hungry now!

433 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:20:42pm

re: #405 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

The words nirth certifikit or any other variation are not in the Constitution. The Constitution says POTUS must be a natural born citizen over 35 years of age.

They didn't specify any way to prove it or what body polices the requirement.

/The framers just expected us to follow the rules...

I understand. But it's really the only way we have nowdays to prove citizenship, isn't it? Word-of-mouth just doesn't cut it in our day and age, unfortunately.

434 gettinby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:21:03pm

re: #411 albusteve

it mixes well with bourbon as well...I lived in the upper mid west for 50yrs...maybe I'm getting snobby...here in ABQ water is life!

LOL

/snobby is a good thing
//so is water.

(I'm in Tampa.)

435 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:21:13pm

re: #431 taxfreekiller

Bill O'riley is on Fox sucking up to Obama for more interviews to keep his sorry ass on TV and getting a check.

Bill O'riley is a total fraud and getting worse by the day.

He is doing a bit to "clean up Rev. Wright" he is "quote Bill" helping Obama deal with Wright, and Juan Williams is on with him about how "Obama" has the bully pulpit now",,,

to flakes , throwing "corn flakes" at one another's check books.

I love Juan Williams, bless his heart.

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:21:46pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

I made an ab-fab vegan spaghetti. Was so damn goood.

437 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:21:47pm

Obama was on tv a lot this weekend, just who does he think he is anyway?

438 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:21:55pm

re: #252 reine.de.tout

I just sent you one. No doubt the best in the book.

439 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #409 bellamags

I don't want to talk to them. I want to take their money while they talk amongst themselves. ;)

440 Kenneth  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:22:14pm

re: #356 gettinby

a veep cheerleader is a good thing. ;)

hmmm... getting a disturbing image of Dick Cheney in a plaid skirt & pom-poms.

441 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:22:32pm

Ben Stein is flat out lying when he says Intelligent Design is an attempt to "fill in some of the gaps" in "Darwinism."

442 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:22:36pm

re: #404 Sloppy

Walter - 380

I live in the southeast corner of Husker Nation, and we get enough snow without importing from Colorado.


Lincoln? Beatrice?
Mom and Dad both from the area.

443 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:23:08pm

And here's John Kasich on the O'Reilly show promoting the Creation Museum:

444 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:23:30pm

re: #435 Cattt

I love Juan Williams, bless his heart.

I like Juan, too.
I don't always agree with him . . . actually, I usually don't agree with him . . . but he seems a decent person, personable, and sincere even when he's mistaken. Unlike Colmes, who's a nasty piece of work, imo.

445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:23:31pm

re: #440 Kenneth

hmmm... getting a disturbing image of Dick Cheney in a plaid skirt & pom-poms.

Uh...we've seen the picture of his Dick Cheney's pom-poms. Fortunately for you, I don't know where to find the picture, or I would link it. But I don't. So I won't.

446 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:23:48pm

On more important things, any of you with lefty friends and or family? Any of those friends and family having head explosion moments over The One breaking promises faster than he made them?

447 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:23:51pm
448 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:24:10pm

re: #438 Naso Tang

I just sent you one. No doubt the best in the book.

OK.
I hope to get it in. I think FlakMusic is just about to upload the pdf.

449 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:24:20pm

re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh my!

450 Zimriel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:24:25pm

re: #443 Charles

And here's John Kasich on the O'Reilly show promoting the Creation Museum:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Oh no.

451 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:24:27pm

re: #433 Soona'

I understand. But it's really the only way we have nowdays to prove citizenship, isn't it? Word-of-mouth just doesn't cut it in our day and age, unfortunately.

Oddly, the framers thought anyone running for president would be a man of honor who would not put himself up for the job if he did not fill the (few) requirements.

To imagine someone who would run anyway would have been impossible for them, not someone who had a chance of winning.

452 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:24:55pm

O'Reilly also launched a vicious attack on Judge John E. Jones, after he ruled against the creationists in the Dover case. Can't find the video, but it was really ugly.

453 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:25:11pm

re: #438 Naso Tang

I just sent you one. No doubt the best in the book.

yum. that does indeed look good.

454 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:25:15pm

re: #418 Silhouette

I'm still focusing on the /EM> born part. No kids whose mother's used epidurals. Natural birth only.

/still checking on whether polyester hospital bedding queers the deal too.


And no Caeasarians, either. Julius Caesar can not be POTUS.

455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:25:27pm

Oh. 3 dead in San Diego. Sad.

456 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:25:35pm

re: #419 Charles

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot. A major idiot.

Is he though? Or does he just laugh all the way to the bank (like a televangelist)?

457 Fish-Man  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:25:36pm

Charles -

I continue to be dissappointed with your self-appointed position of censorship on this interesting question. There are a lot of lawsuits out there, and they exist for the simple reason that Obama has not released a real, full birth certificate, just some highly edited version. The election is over. Obama won. Why doesn't he just release the thing?
Your stonewalling this issue has reduced my visits to this site, simply because I think of this as a news site, and this is news I have to go elsewhere to find. Yeah some, perhaps even many of these people are nutjobs. But there is something there. I'd like to know what it is. We all know your opinion. No need to beat us with it anymore. Let's hear the news.

Best,
F-M

458 gettinby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:25:45pm

re: #440 Kenneth

hmmm... getting a disturbing image of Dick Cheney in a plaid skirt & pom-poms.

/You're going to turn this into a boob thread, aren't you?!
//Oh! You mean paper pom-poms!

I actually like Cheney. Don't know much, but I believe he did a lot of the heavy lifting for President Bush (just my personal opinion...nothing to take to the bank).

459 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:25:52pm

re: #454 Jim in Virginia

And no Caeasarians, either. Julius Caesar can not be POTUS.

Can he be a salad instead?

460 AuntAcid  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:25:57pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

I'm hungry now!

Then you butter hurry..

461 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:26:13pm

re: #436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I made an ab-fab vegan spaghetti. Was so damn goood.

Did you get some recipes in our cookbook? We really need some healthy stuff going on...I was around of 7th day adventists during college.. I don't know much about their church..But those people know food in Aces...The food stores that have are just great!

462 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:26:15pm
463 Sloppy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:26:20pm

Re: #442, Jim in Virginia

Omaha. Some call it "The Big O," and resent it when the term is applied to the president-elect.

464 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:26:41pm

re: #457 Fish-Man

I continue to be dissappointed with your self-appointed position of censorship on this interesting question.

Too bad.

465 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:26:45pm

re: #425 Charles

Here's O'Reilly endorsing Ben Stein's creationism:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

To be fair, O'Reilly is an idiot for multiple reasons - one being his stubborn refusal to learn basic economics.

466 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:26:51pm
467 callahan23  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:27:18pm

re: #425 Charles

Here's O'Reilly endorsing Ben Stein's creationism:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I've seen the first minute and a half and I totally understand your point.
O'Reilly is in fact making propaganda for that 'movie' of Stein.
Yet I couldn't bring myself to watching it full. YYYAAACCCKKK

468 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:27:39pm

re: #441 jaunte

Ben Stein is flat out lying when he says Intelligent Design is an attempt to "fill in some of the gaps" in "Darwinism."

The god of the gaps. The universal fallback for morons.

469 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:27:52pm

re: #454 Jim in Virginia

And no Caeasarians, either. Julius Caesar can not be POTUS.

Et tu, Jimmay?

470 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:27:57pm

re: #434 gettinby

LOL

/snobby is a good thing
//so is water.

(I'm in Tampa.)

snorkle country...been there done that

471 kingkenrod  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:28:27pm

re: #425 Charles

Here's O'Reilly endorsing Ben Stein's creationism:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Bill knows how to keep his audience in an agitated emotional state, which keeps them watching. I used to think he was stupid, but there's no way an educated person could be as clueless as he is about basic market forces. Misguided, yes, but not clueless. He's a demagogue.

And Ben Stein is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

472 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:28:27pm

re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh...we've seen the picture of his Dick Cheney's pom-poms. Fortunately for you, I don't know where to find the picture, or I would link it. But I don't. So I won't.

Yeah, careful, I posted a Kilted Kaber tosser exposing his pom poms and that, and all references to it, were summarily dismissed to the ether. Probably a good thing, actually, could have caused a major outbreak of inferiority complex syndrome.

473 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:28:29pm

re: #457 Fish-Man

Yeah some, perhaps even many of these people are nutjobs. But there is something there.

What's there is nuttiness, and not the good kind you can spread on bread and enjoy with a tall glass of milk.

474 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:28:39pm
475 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:28:44pm

re: #441 jaunte

Ben Stein is flat out lying when he says Intelligent Design is an attempt to "fill in some of the gaps" in "Darwinism."

They are trying to design an air-breathing fish?

476 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:28:55pm

re: #451 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oddly, the framers thought anyone running for president would be a man of honor who would not put himself up for the job if he did not fill the (few) requirements.

To imagine someone who would run anyway would have been impossible for them, not someone who had a chance of winning.

You're absolutely right. But taken in the context of today's political morals, your post is frightening.

477 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:29:01pm

re: #434 gettinby Hi Darlin! Please don't tell me (or Walter or the rest of us frozen lizards) about the weather in Tampa.
We don't want to know.

478 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:29:11pm

re: #457 Fish-Man

Charles -

I continue to be dissappointed with your self-appointed position of censorship on this interesting question. There are a lot of lawsuits out there, and they exist for the simple reason that Obama has not released a real, full birth certificate, just some highly edited version. The election is over. Obama won. Why doesn't he just release the thing?
Your stonewalling this issue has reduced my visits to this site, simply because I think of this as a news site, and this is news I have to go elsewhere to find. Yeah some, perhaps even many of these people are nutjobs. But there is something there. I'd like to know what it is. We all know your opinion. No need to beat us with it anymore. Let's hear the news.

Best,
F-M

I think of this as Charles' site, Don't you, idiot. Does you pastor let anyone come into his church and say anything they want to on Sundays?

Asshole.

479 Mr Phyzz  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:29:27pm

By way of a change William Ayers ( yes that one) is on the BBC Radio 5 live now

480 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:29:51pm

re: #464 Charles

Too bad.

someones pissed at Charles!...drink!

481 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:30:12pm

re: #457 Fish-Man


Its not "news", it is speculation. The day it becomes News will be the day Charles has the matter as an open thread.

482 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:31:16pm

re: #477 Jim in Virginia

Hi Darlin! Please don't tell me (or Walter or the rest of us frozen lizards) about the weather in Tampa.
We don't want to know.


It is summer time in New Zealand, can I tell you about that?

483 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:31:21pm
484 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:31:21pm

re: #452 Charles

O'Reilly also launched a vicious attack on Judge John E. Jones, after he ruled against the creationists in the Dover case. Can't find the video, but it was really ugly.

I'm going to step away for a while. I happen to regard Bill O'Reilly quite highly even if Charles does not. However, I have no desire to try conclusions with Charles, so I'll be back in a little while.

485 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:31:26pm

re: #476 Soona'

You're absolutely right. But taken in the context of today's political morals, your post is frightening.

I don't disagree... the framers are being blindsided by our current low morales and lack of character. They never imagined that problem and did not build in any controls for it... well, maybe they did, they expected the courts and congress to keep those of low morale repute out of power.

Joke's on us.

486 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:31:47pm

re: #452 Charles

O'Reilly also launched a vicious attack on Judge John E. Jones, after he ruled against the creationists in the Dover case. Can't find the video, but it was really ugly.

O'Reilly is on this whole kick about how religion in this country is "under attack".

He is obviously not thinking things through in a logical way, but is just taking the "religious" side of any story where he perceives that religious folks have "lost".

I think he needs to do some research into the creationism stuff. Maybe he has, and he's just stupid. But he would find that there are lots and lots of religious folks against "creationism" in school science classes. Including the Catholic Church, and he is a Catholic.

I think there are a lot of people who see a breakdown in discipline and old-fashioned common courtesy in the schools, and attribute it to lack of prayer in schools, and that's not correct.

If the school systems weren't getting sued for "discrimination" (that word again) every time they try to impose discipline, then the schools could perfectly well have order without any prayers at all.

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:32:11pm

re: #472 A Kiwi Infidel

I've been looking for that picture for 10 minutes. No luck. Poop.

488 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:32:12pm

re: #479 Mr Phyzz

By way of a change William Ayers ( yes that one) is on the BBC Radio 5 live now


Getting a lot more air time now than he was pre-election.

489 callahan23  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:32:13pm

re: #446 ArmyWife

On more important things, any of you with lefty friends and or family? Any of those friends and family having head explosion moments over The One breaking promises faster than he made them?

No, in fact they try to correct me in 'pointing' out that HE (BH0) was much more moderate and considerate than my initial fears were indicating.
/Me: Shaking heat, walking into the sunset fog.

490 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:32:28pm

re: #444 reine.de.tout

I like Juan, too.
I don't always agree with him . . . actually, I usually don't agree with him . . . but he seems a decent person, personable, and sincere even when he's mistaken. Unlike Colmes, who's a nasty piece of work, imo.

Yep. Agreed on both.

I despise (and I rarely say that) Skeletor the Pig. He is a disgusting person. He did a column trying to figure out whether Gov. Palin was knocked up when she was married - as if anyone cares - as if it is anyone's business! Fortunately, no one else picked up that particular crap, but I think Hannity was really not amused, and I do wonder if it had something to do with Skeletor's leaving H & C.

491 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:32:37pm
492 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:32:43pm

re: #479 Mr Phyzz

By way of a change William Ayers ( yes that one) is on the BBC Radio 5 live now

The rich Charles Manson, and he's a hero to today's Left. *spit*

493 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:33:34pm

re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've been looking for that picture for 10 minutes. No luck. Poop.


Here is what you do. Go to Google Images, type in "Hunk Kilt" scroll down to second last line and second image in from right.

You do this at your own risk.

494 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:33:50pm

walter...i lost a post to the spinning wheel...come on down to ABQ and I'll buy you a taco...maybe two if you double up on the prune juice...

albusteve

495 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:33:51pm

re: #425 Charles

Heh.

496 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:33:59pm

re: #457 Fish-Man

. . .
Your stonewalling this issue has reduced my visits to this site, simply because I think of this as a news site, and this is news I have to go elsewhere to find. Yeah some, perhaps even many of these people are nutjobs. But there is something there. I'd like to know what it is. We all know your opinion. No need to beat us with it anymore. Let's hear the news. . . .

And, so, OK - your visits are reduced, and you have to go elsewhere. Then go. Do you think anyone is hurt by or really cares that your "visits here are reduced?".

What is the point of posting something like that?

497 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:34:26pm
498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:34:54pm

re: #461 HoosierHoops

Nah. My cooking is very simple. open the can, pour into pot, boil the pasta, add some veggie crumbles (instead of meat) saute some garlic in olive oil and add frozen chopped spinach.

Then? Eat the hell out of it. Was really good. But nothing I make is cookbook worthy.

499 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:35:04pm
500 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:35:06pm

re: #491 buzzsawmonkey

Have an upding, on me.

Whoa!
I'm honored.
Thank you.

501 gettinby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:35:06pm

re: #477 Jim in Virginia

Hi Darlin! Please don't tell me (or Walter or the rest of us frozen lizards) about the weather in Tampa.
We don't want to know.

Awww...I wouldn't do that to my dear friend(s).

See you later! I'm going out to the screenroom/pool/jacuzzi, in my jeans, sandals and t-shirt, with my cocktail, and...oops! Broke my promise.

LOL

Good to see you, as always. ;)

502 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:35:32pm
503 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:35:44pm

re: #496 reine.de.tout

And, so, OK - your visits are reduced, and you have to go elsewhere. Then go. Do you think anyone is hurt by or really cares that your "visits here are reduced?".

What is the point of posting something like that?

attention...the new net dope

504 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:35:45pm

re: #496 reine.de.tout

What is the point of posting something like that?

It's the same reason people feel the need to tell Charles they come here less because of ID threads- in the hopes that it will frighten him into stopping. I don't think it works, though.

505 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:35:48pm

re: #471 kingkenrod

Bill knows how to keep his audience in an agitated emotional state, which keeps them watching. I used to think he was stupid, but there's no way an educated person could be as clueless as he is about basic market forces. Misguided, yes, but not clueless. He's a demagogue.

Indeed. And he isn't the only one, either. It's a pathetic state of affairs.

506 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:35:57pm

re: #457 Fish-Man

Yeah some, perhaps even many of these people are nutjobs. But there is something there. I'd like to know what it is.

Why don't you go look for it, and when you find it, bring it back here and post a link in the spinoffs?

Heh™

Off to shovel. BBL.

507 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:36:02pm

re: #496 reine.de.tout

And, so, OK - your visits are reduced, and you have to go elsewhere. Then go. Do you think anyone is hurt by or really cares that your "visits here are reduced?".

What is the point of posting something like that?

So he can get some feedback from us and then he will clip and paste our feedback, rearrange it and post it on some other blog and brag about how he got beat up on LGF.

508 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:36:11pm

re: #485 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I don't disagree... the framers are being blindsided by our current low morales and lack of character. They never imagined that problem and did not build in any controls for it... well, maybe they did, they expected the courts and congress to keep those of low morale repute out of power.

Joke's on us.

Yeah. Har fuckn' har!
//:P

509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:36:17pm

re: #493 A Kiwi Infidel

Not that picture, silly. VP Cheney. Looks like he was carrying a couplea hams in his khakis.

510 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:36:17pm

re: #238 goddessoftheclassroom

If Charles previewed every comment first, he'd be editing. An editor changes text or does not publish it; a censor deletes it. Why is "censor" being treated as an insult? It's not. It does not require defense or apology, but neither should its definition be ignored.

Goddess -

Good point on previewing, better point on the perjorative value of the word
"censor" - whether governmental OR private, though "censorship" per se is a Governmental function and only by analogy a private one.

-S-

511 Fish-Man  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:36:36pm

re: #464 Charles

Thanks for taking a moment to read my comment - as you are kindly listening, I'd like to add another...

I also think it is distasteful the way you are mocking these people. "Nirth Certifikit?" Is this a thoughtful criticism, or just abuse?

I'd like to go back to expecting more from you.

Thanks again,
F-M

512 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:36:38pm
513 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:37:11pm

re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not that picture, silly. VP Cheney. Looks like he was carrying a couplea hams in his khakis.


Oh, that one...

514 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:37:33pm

And for the record, Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather in the memogate scandal too.

515 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:37:55pm

re: #511 Fish-Man

Thanks for taking a moment to read my comment - as you are kindly listening, I'd like to add another...

I also think it is distasteful the way you are mocking these people. "Nirth Certifikit?" Is this a thoughtful criticism, or just abuse?

It's abuse.

516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:37:57pm

Suicide by Stinky? Me thinks.

517 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:38:12pm
518 Racer X  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:38:14pm

Can you imagine the uproar if the SC decided Obama could not take office in January? All freaking hell would break loose.

No thanks!

He wanted it, let him have it. Good luck.

519 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:38:23pm

re: #508 Soona'

I call's 'em like I see 'em.

/gonna be a long 4, 8, 12, 16, 54 years...

520 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:38:49pm

re: #434 gettinby

LOL

/snobby is a good thing
//so is water.

(I'm in Tampa.)

Howdy neighbor, from T.I.

521 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:38:56pm
522 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:39:04pm

re: #515 Charles

It's abuse.

bwahahaha...ooofff!...sorry

523 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:39:06pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

It's the same reason people feel the need to tell Charles they come here less because of ID threads- in the hopes that it will frighten him into stopping. I don't think it works, though.

Of course it doesn't work.
Why should it? Why would anyone think it would work?

Fish-Man - registered since 2004, number of posts 85.

It's just silly for anyone, much less someone who virtually never adds to the conversation, to announce that they're going somewhere else. That guy has obviously not been around here much, if all he's been able to add since 2004 is 85 comments.

524 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:39:38pm

re: #511 Fish-Man

Is this a thoughtful criticism, or just abuse?


It's just abuse. Conspiracy theorists deserve nothing more that ridicule.

525 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:02pm

re: #511 Fish-Man

I'd like to go back to expecting more from you.

His sentence structure is that of a 12 year old.

526 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:11pm

re: #493 A Kiwi Infidel

Here is what you do. Go to Google Images, type in "Hunk Kilt" scroll down to second last line and second image in from right.

You do this at your own risk.

It might not show up if Safe Search filters are active on your Google searches.

527 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:15pm

re: #515 Charles

It's abuse.

And I've seen the same thing at other sites.
It's an abuse conspiracy!

528 bryantms  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:17pm

Just a quick question...

I understand these people are kooks and wackos, but I'm not sure I understand what "nirth certifikit" means. I feel like there's some inside joke I'm missing and I'd really like to laugh along with you at them.

529 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:31pm

re: #521 buzzsawmonkey

If anyone should see a post by stealth dinger "onlyme," let me know, would you?

I don't mind getting slammed by people who post, but the stealth dingers really piss me off.

As the old saying goes, Buzz, "better than being pissed on"

530 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:32pm

Caution; abuse may continue past the limits of good taste.

531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:34pm

re: #524 Killgore Trout

It's just abuse. Conspiracy theorists deserve nothing more that ridicule.

But, they do deserve quite a bit of ridicule.

532 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:41pm

re: #457 Fish-Man

Just a bit of information for you, Fish guy. This isn't censorship. Charles is not a member of the government. Moreover, he doesn't have the power nor the inclination to jail you for thinking or saying anything no matter how ridiculous. What he IS doing is requesting you abide by his rules for posting on his site. If you chose not to agree to those rules, you lose the privilege (and it is a privilege, mind you) to post on the site Charles owns and hosts.

Should you wish to carry on and blather about such topics, go post on a site that appreciates your passion for said topic, or better yet, start your own site and post to your heart's content. Though I don't speak for Charles, nor do I represent his interest in any way, shape or form, something tells me he will not be hunting you down to find your new postings digs for the sole purpose of telling you there to knock it off.

In summary, censorship is a legal term with no applicability here and you are free to say whatever goofy thing you want about this subject, just not on this site.

533 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:42pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

It's the same reason people feel the need to tell Charles they come here less because of ID threads- in the hopes that it will frighten him into stopping. I don't think it works, though.


Sharm..Didn't know if you saw this.. This morning I posted about how a bunch of us went to the Colts game.. And I had my face painted Blue and wore a big blue wig at the game.. I said I looked like an ugly version of Sharm.. LOL
Somebody said they saw us on TV so I've been searching the Tivo..

534 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:40:59pm

I cannot fathom why someone would ding down Charles' OP.

535 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:41:35pm

re: #521 buzzsawmonkey

If anyone should see a post by stealth dinger "onlyme," let me know, would you?

I don't mind getting slammed by people who post, but the stealth dingers really piss me off.

Have you run the nic through the search function?

536 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:41:40pm

re: #528 bryantms

See comment 103...

537 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:41:41pm

re: #443 Charles

Good God. EYE ROLL.

Though they had the voice of reason guy in the middle for balance, imho the museum and Mr. Ham got cred points on that piece, which is ridiculous, since Mr. Ham is full of you-know-what.

I really resent all this "godless science" b***t, and I resent the implication that if you understand the scientific method, you must be a horrible, dastardly atheist. It's medieval!

The thing is - for those with Christian faith, God knows all, right? We can't know all, because we are not God. Therefore, how can they say they know the Bible is literal truth, and how do they know their interpretation is right? The Catholic Church rightly calls belief "the mystery of faith" - we cannot know all - that is why we have faith rather than knowledge - faith cannot be proven in a scientific way.

It reminds me of when Archie Bunker poo pooed the Catholic, Latin mass, saying he'd read his Bible in English, "The way God wrote it."

538 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:41:42pm

re: #523 reine.de.tout

Not that I disagree with you, but I think it doesn't work because Charles puts principles above popularity.

539 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:41:49pm
540 bryantms  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:42:35pm

re: #536 jaunte

Ah , gotcha! Thanks for that. See it was something funny!

541 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:42:39pm

re: #511 Fish-Man

Thanks for taking a moment to read my comment - as you are kindly listening, I'd like to add another...

I also think it is distasteful the way you are mocking these people. "Nirth Certifikit?" Is this a thoughtful criticism, or just abuse?

I'd like to go back to expecting more from you.

Thanks again,
F-M

Hey Fish. Before I leave in a minute, I'd like to give you some advice by way of an oft' used quote by one of our more illustrative lizards:
"GO PISS UP A ROPE"!

542 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:42:47pm

re: #489 callahan23

I see. Interesting. They have all had epiphanies since The One said it?

My moonbats are freaking. Its kind of fun, to be honest.

543 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:42:54pm

re: #529 A Kiwi Infidel

As the old saying goes, Buzz, "better than being pissed on"

read the threads...it's a rare time when I myself am at the leading edge of a thread beacause I normally read every post...try it...you post count is lower but you'll be much better informed

544 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:42:56pm

re: #533 HoosierHoops

LOL- I didn't see that. Did the Colts win? I like the Colts.

545 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:43:02pm

re: #528 bryantms

Just a quick question...

I understand these people are kooks and wackos, but I'm not sure I understand what "nirth certifikit" means. I feel like there's some inside joke I'm missing and I'd really like to laugh along with you at them.

It comes from crazy Pamela Geller's site, where she posted a typically moronic headline about the birth certificate, missed the 'B', and typed 'Nirth'.

And then left it that way for an entire day, in big bold letters.

546 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:43:03pm

re: #493 A Kiwi Infidel

Here is what you do. Go to Google Images, type in "Hunk Kilt" scroll down to second last line and second image in from right.

You do this at your own risk.

OMG!

547 maddogg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:43:26pm

A simple concept.

1. This is Charles Johnson's Blog.

2. Whatever is posted here is used to smear him by our adversaries.

3. He has the right not to be painted with the troofer brush, like he has been unfairly painted so many times in the past.

4. See number 1.

Got it?

548 gettinby  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:43:30pm

re: #520 Naso Tang

Howdy neighbor, from T.I.

Hey there!

Lived in St.Pete Beach for about 10 years before moving "inland."

Best veterinarian in the world in T.I.

549 Mr Phyzz  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:43:56pm

Sorry but William Ayers interview on BBC now over. It started by the host playing a Republican advert and inviting a comment. Mr Ayers said he kept quiet during the election process.
Hijack over. I am enjoying this thread and the evolution/creationist threads. Bye from the UK

550 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:44:03pm

re: #521 buzzsawmonkey

If anyone should see a post by stealth dinger "onlyme," let me know, would you?

I don't mind getting slammed by people who post, but the stealth dingers really piss me off.

Here.

551 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:44:23pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

Not that I disagree with you, but I think it doesn't work because Charles puts principles above popularity.

Well, yes of course.
I think you just finished the thought I had.

552 justadot  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:44:27pm

re: #539 buzzsawmonkey

Here. - from a stealth searcher

553 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:44:32pm

re: #539 buzzsawmonkey

Yep. Zippo.

No. 550.

554 Racer X  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:44:45pm

re: #545 Charles

It comes from crazy Pamela Geller's site, where she posted a typically moronic headline about the birth certificate, missed the 'B', and typed 'Nirth'.

And then left it that way for an entire day, in big bold letters.

Was there an explanation after it was "corrected"?

OOPS?

555 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:44:46pm

re: #546 reine.de.tout

What you said.

556 albusteve  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:44:47pm

re: #543 albusteve

read the threads...it's a rare time when I myself am at the leading edge of a thread beacause I normally read every post...try it...you post count is lower but you'll be much better informed

whoops...meant for 528

557 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:45:03pm

re: #546 reine.de.tout

You were warned.

558 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:45:26pm

re: #419 Charles

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot. A major idiot.

Never underestimate. He is no idiot and I know because I agree with him more often than not; and he is richer than me.

But when we do disagree, I agree that he is an idiot.

559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:45:39pm

re: #534 MandyManners

I cannot fathom why someone would ding down Charles' OP.

Honestly (like my opinion counts) dings should be restricted to people with a certain amount of posts. I would imagine that there are many more spiteful down-dingers than thoughtful up-dingers.

560 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:45:46pm

re: #557 A Kiwi Infidel

You were warned.

I don't there is sufficient warning for that.

561 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:46:43pm

re: #541 Soona'

Hey Fish. Before I leave in a minute, I'd like to give you some advice by way of an oft' used quote by one of our more illustrative lizards:
"GO PISS UP A ROPE"!

You've learned well, Grasshopper.

562 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:46:56pm
563 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:47:02pm

re: #551 reine.de.tout

Sweetie, if you keep this up, the stalkers will start adding you to their polls. ;p

564 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:47:34pm

re: #523 reine.de.tout

We would miss him - if we only knew who the heck he was. ;)

565 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:47:55pm

re: #559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly (like my opinion counts) dings should be restricted to people with a certain amount of posts. I would imagine that there are many more spiteful down-dingers than thoughtful up-dingers.

Aren't all dingers created equal?

566 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:48:04pm

re: #514 Charles

And for the record, Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather in the memogate scandal too.

Charles -

For some reason don't remember that, DO HOWEVER remember O'Reilly, like Bob Brinker, tacking towards Kerry when the polls were going Kerry's way. Also, for some reason, IMUS likes Kerry.
I did too back in the early 1970's. When I found out what the REAL story was, I lost ALL respect for the man. I remain happy that in 2004 he was NOT elected President and in 2008 NOT nominated for Secretary of State.

-S-

567 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:48:07pm

What did I miss?

568 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:48:14pm

re: #559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly (like my opinion counts) dings should be restricted to people with a certain amount of posts. I would imagine that there are many more spiteful down-dingers than thoughtful up-dingers.


Excellent point. Something like a limiter, down-dings only available if the down-dinger has a greater Karma rating than the down-dingee

569 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:48:29pm

re: #534 MandyManners

I cannot fathom why someone would ding down Charles' OP.

Guess someone can't stand having their pet conspiracy theory discounted. Sounds like at least 4 more years of political derangement syndrome from people who insist only they know the "troof".

570 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:48:43pm

re: #565 MandyManners

Aren't all dingers created equal?

You are confusing equal power to ding with equal number of dingers.

571 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:48:52pm

re: #565 MandyManners

Aren't all dingers created equal?

Did you not see #493?

572 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:01pm

re: #562 buzzsawmonkey

You are good.

At least he has some posts to his credit, but he made me grumpy.

His/her scales are really tender.

573 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:08pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

LOL- I didn't see that. Did the Colts win? I like the Colts.

Hi Sharm! We won 35-3.. We started Tailgating at about 9am when it was 9 degrees...Setup a tent..heaters..Chili and corn bread..
we were such men! well.. It was 72 degrees inside the stadium...
Regards...
/ps I think I look good in a blue wig..No matter how many people were laughing..

574 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:14pm

re: #564 ArmyWife

We would miss him - if we only knew who the heck he was. ;)

Plenty of fish in the sea.

575 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:20pm

re: #563 Sharmuta

Sweetie, if you keep this up, the stalkers will start adding you to their polls. ;p

I'll be nearly almost famous?
hmm.

576 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:20pm

re: #565 MandyManners

Aren't all dingers created equal?

I believe that was answered by that picture link discussed above.

577 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:21pm

So how do you tell who down dinged you?


Something tells me this is a question with a really obvious answer and I am going to be embarrassed for asking!

578 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:29pm

CNN: Traveling to an apartheid kingdom that allows no democracy, no Jews, no free speech, no freedom of religion, where women are property, rape victims are stoned, homosexuals are killed, makes you more tolerant of diversity...

Hajj makes Muslims more tolerant, study suggests


Muslims who undertake the hajj "return with more positive views towards people from other countries," are more likely to say "that people of different religions are equal," and are twice as likely as other religious Muslims to condemn Osama bin Laden, the study found.

"People become more orthodox yet more tolerant," one of the study's authors, Asim Ijaz Khwaja of Harvard University, said of hajjis -- those who make the pilgrimage.

579 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:32pm

re: #565 MandyManners

Aren't all dingers created equal?

no.

580 irongrampa  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:33pm

Since I learned how, I've surfed all manner of blogs,some of which are plain scary and others that maybe shouldn't be up. Got to say this one is THE premier blog for me. It seems to me that if there's a subject you don't care for, then you simply need not read the thread.
I understand your position here, Charles, it'd be a disappointment to see this blog turn into a Kos, or Huffpo. At any rate, thanks for the superb job that you do.

581 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:49:49pm
582 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:50:05pm

re: #577 ArmyWife

So how do you tell who down dinged you?


Something tells me this is a question with a really obvious answer and I am going to be embarrassed for asking!

Click the number next to the ding up/down buttons.

583 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:50:09pm

re: #577 ArmyWife

So how do you tell who down dinged you?


Something tells me this is a question with a really obvious answer and I am going to be embarrassed for asking!

Click your rating for that post.

What is amazing is that everyone dings you in alphabetical order.

584 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:50:29pm

By the way, my post yesterday about Google's mishandling of Feedburner was noticed over there in Google-ville. I heard from PJ Media that Google reps want to straighten out the issues; I've emailed them.

585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:50:37pm

re: #577 ArmyWife

So how do you tell who down dinged you?


Something tells me this is a question with a really obvious answer and I am going to be embarrassed for asking!

Go back, click the number...beside the dinger.

586 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:51:13pm

re: #511 Fish-Man

*WHACK*

587 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:51:13pm

re: #584 Charles

By the way, my post yesterday about Google's mishandling of Feedburner was noticed over there in Google-ville. I heard from PJ Media that Google reps want to straighten out the issues; I've emailed them.

If you take a meeting, bring up the Memorial Day/Veteran's Day logos.

588 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:51:17pm

re: #578 Killgore Trout

"Hamoud al-Massri, of Egypt, says that after this year's hajj, he will read more about people of different cultures muslims from other countries."

589 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:51:39pm

re: #565 MandyManners

Aren't all dingers created equal?

If they ain't..there is going to be a lot more guys in Therapy..

590 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:51:47pm

re: #578 Killgore Trout

CNN: Traveling to an apartheid kingdom that allows no democracy, no Jews, no free speech, no freedom of religion, where women are property, rape victims are stoned, homosexuals are killed, makes you more tolerant of diversity...

Hajj makes Muslims more tolerant, study suggests

That is stupefying bullshit.

591 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:51:52pm

re: #584 Charles

Squeaky wheel gets the grease!

592 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:00pm

re: #583 Silhouette

Whoa! The orchestrating of THAT must be some kind of work load!

593 Empire1  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:02pm

FINALLY made it off jury duty, thank the gods! Unfortunately, it ended up as a hung jury (medical negligence case), with 11 of us finding for the defendant and 1 for the plaintiffs. But I'm off the hook for at least two years, and if I can go 5, I'll be off permanently because of age. The only good part of an otherwise totally unpleasant experience was right at the end, after we'd reported our 11-1 deadlock to the judge and lawyers, when the judge called our bailiff to the bench and read our Note of Appreciation into the record before giving it to her. Since it was my idea, and I composed and typed the note, I found that very personally satisfying.

It read:

"We, the jurors and alternates in the 01-05 December 2008 trial to which she was assigned, would like to express our appreciation and gratitude for (and to) our bailiff, [name redacted]. Her unfailing cheerfulness, courtesy, and helpfulness to “her jury” show her to be an outstanding credit to her profession."

It was signed by all 14 of us, plus my husband. I can't swear to it, since His Honor has an excellent poker face, but I think he enjoyed reading it into the record, and our Den Mother -- er, bailiff -- was smiling as broadly as anyone I've ever seen, and looked suspiciously bright-eyed. She thanked us a lot, then later (when I was at the guard station waiting for Mr. E to arrive from home to pick me up) said she'd never gotten anything like that before, and planned to frame it and hang it with her certificates from her earlier career in Corrections at New York's Ryker Island.

I find it hard to believe that someone like Kim wouldn't have gotten something like that before, considering how well she treated us, and how easy it is to express appreciation, but her reaction made me even gladder I'd had the idea and followed up on it.

Hells! People who do an unusually good job deserve recognition for it every bit as much as people who do a crappy job deserve criticism! Do it, folks -- these are heroes, in small ways, every bit as much as our military are in larger ways. Anyone who deals with the general public on a daily basis and can maintain equilibrium, never mind going beyond duty requirements for them (it?), deserves courtesy at a minimum, and compliments when appropriate.

Huh, got off my own subject and onto a pet rant again, didn't I? Well, no apologies; it needs said from time to time.

594 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:06pm

re: #578 Killgore Trout

CNN: Traveling to an apartheid kingdom that allows no democracy, no Jews, no free speech, no freedom of religion, where women are property, rape victims are stoned, homosexuals are killed, makes you more tolerant of diversity...

Hajj makes Muslims more tolerant, study suggests

PLUS, you get to add Haji to your name.

Killgore Haji-Trout.

595 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:20pm

re: #584 Charles

By the way, my post yesterday about Google's mishandling of Feedburner was noticed over there in Google-ville. I heard from PJ Media that Google reps want to straighten out the issues; I've emailed them.

Ah Google .. happy land .. bastion of truth justice and the search engine way. And always right .. no matter how wrong.

596 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:23pm

re: #559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly (like my opinion counts) dings should be restricted to people with a certain amount of posts. I would imagine that there are many more spiteful down-dingers than thoughtful up-dingers.

It would be interesting to be able to analyze the categories, for sure, but since Charles gives us only an apples and oranges total, it's hard to say.

Personally I tend to up ding when I think something is intelligently stated (or uncommonly clever like Buzz often is, even though I don't think we like each other), as opposed to when I simply would be saying "ditto", and I seldom down ding unless I have too much to drink.

597 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:28pm

re: #582 CyanSnowHawk

Click the number next to the ding up/down buttons.

Very cool... Charles has this site set up just amazingly cool... All the bells and whistles, and hamsters, too!

598 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:32pm

re: #592 ArmyWife

you figure out the ding thing?

599 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:36pm

re: #559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly (like my opinion counts) dings should be restricted to people with a certain amount of posts. I would imagine that there are many more spiteful down-dingers than thoughtful up-dingers.

I don't care about down-dings, but I would like at least a discussion with the person. Discussions courteously held can help to clarify issues, or provide knowledge to someone (usually to me) that I didn't have before . . . very useful.

600 Soona'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:39pm

Gotta go folks. One more day before my blessed vacation.

601 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:52:50pm

re: #577 ArmyWife

So how do you tell who down dinged you?


Something tells me this is a question with a really obvious answer and I am going to be embarrassed for asking!

Click the number.

602 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:53:00pm

re: #587 Silhouette

If you take a meeting, bring up the Memorial Day/Veteran's Day logos.

Actually, they seem to have found their patriotism since Obama was elected. They had a Veteran's Day logo this year.

All you need to get support from Google is post a rant on a high-profile blog. Heh.

603 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:53:14pm

re: #570 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You are confusing equal power to ding with equal number of dingers.

You mean we all have one dinger but, some Lizzards have bigger...oh, never mind.

604 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:53:28pm

re: #581 buzzsawmonkey

re: #564 ArmyWife

"You can leave in a taxi; if you can't leave in a taxi you can leave in a huff; if that's too soon, you can leave in a minute and a huff. You know, you haven't stopped talking since I came here? You must have been vaccinated with a phonograph needle."

--Groucho Marx


There was a neat photo, in our paper this morning, of an 8 year old girl in a t-shirt that read "my door is always open, leave whenever you want"

605 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:53:35pm

What is amazing Charles is how the media still holds up the flashy doc as being contestable. Reality just hasnt sunk in on that one yet.

606 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:53:40pm

re: #571 Silhouette

Did you not see #493?

No yet. I just got here.

607 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:53:46pm

re: #541 Soona'

Hey Fish. Before I leave in a minute, I'd like to give you some advice by way of an oft' used quote by one of our more illustrative lizards:
"GO PISS UP A ROPE"!

I still haven't figured out how to do that. Suggestions?

608 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:53:51pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

... because Charles puts principles above popularity.


I understand that Charles does extensive polling* to determine what his target audience (high income, highly intelligent, extremely attractive professionals with extravagant tastes) feels strongly about and then tailors his posts specifically to those findings.
It's why he is one of Forbes 400 Richest Americans this year.
*Poliing is done by an army of Poles.

609 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:53:52pm

OT - halp - I am trying to find the serial number on a 1900's vintage Webber Upright Piano.

It has been described on the internet as to be on the cast iron frame around where the strings meet the tuning nuts.

Well - nuts. I can't find it. Oh Great Lizard Nation - I know this is out there - but if anyone can crack this nut - I know it's you.

RAWMuse ... any insights?

610 The Shadow Do  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:54:06pm

re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. 3 dead in San Diego. Sad.

The pilot. I wonder what he is thinking. That's tough business punching out over a populated area. I'm guessing he was out of choices. Still, hard to live with.

611 Buck  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:54:17pm

I must admit that I had a decent enough time doing the research and creating the argument against the Nirth Certifikit nonsense.

I must have posted a dozen or more posts. I had sort of hoped it would add to my Karma... it didn't really.

BUT I do know more about the Hawaii laws than I ever dreamed.

I am a Canadian who thinks about living in the USA, and maybe being President one day. I am the same age as Obama is, so I plan to go to Hawaii, and get my Birth certificate changed to say I was born in Honolulu. I was really born in Winnipeg, but that should be no problem.

Aloha!

612 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:54:39pm

re: #596 Naso Tang

It would be interesting to be able to analyze the categories, for sure, but since Charles gives us only an apples and oranges total, it's hard to say.

Personally I tend to up ding when I think something is intelligently stated (or uncommonly clever like Buzz often is, even though I don't think we like each other), as opposed to when I simply would be saying "ditto", and I seldom down ding unless I have too much to drink.

Naso, I like your style on this - I also prefer to upding when I appreciate something someone has said, and downding very seldom.

Well, except for once when I went into a downding frenzy.

613 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:54:46pm

re: #571 Silhouette

Did you not see #493?

Kilts and bits and pieces?

614 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:54:48pm

re: #590 Alouette

The study could have major policy implications for those fighting extremism, he said.

Encouraging the hajj might increase the pool of Muslims whose tolerant attitudes would inspire them to moderate those with more extreme views in their midst, he suggested.


It's remarkably funny.

615 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:54:52pm

re: #603 MandyManners

You mean we all have one dinger but, some Lizzards have bigger...oh, never mind.

Not quite... we all have one dinger, but an unknown number point up while another unknown number point down.

The two unknown numbers don't match.

616 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:55:11pm

re: #609 Bobibutu

OT - halp - I am trying to find the serial number on a 1900's vintage Webber Upright Piano.

It has been described on the internet as to be on the cast iron frame around where the strings meet the tuning nuts.

Well - nuts. I can't find it. Oh Great Lizard Nation - I know this is out there - but if anyone can crack this nut - I know it's you.

RAWMuse ... any insights?

Gak! Webber = Weber!

617 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:55:27pm

re: #576 CyanSnowHawk

I believe that was answered by that picture link discussed above.

I ain't lookin'.

618 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:55:29pm

re: #611 Buck

I must admit that I had a decent enough time doing the research and creating the argument against the Nirth Certifikit nonsense.

I must have posted a dozen or more posts. I had sort of hoped it would add to my Karma... it didn't really.

BUT I do know more about the Hawaii laws than I ever dreamed.

I am a Canadian who thinks about living in the USA, and maybe being President one day. I am the same age as Obama is, so I plan to go to Hawaii, and get my Birth certificate changed to say I was born in Honolulu. I was really born in Winnipeg, but that should be no problem.

Aloha!

You've been doing a great job fighting against the kooks, and I for one appreciate it. Here's a karma point from me.

619 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:55:33pm

re: #528 bryantms

Just a quick question...

I understand these people are kooks and wackos, but I'm not sure I understand what "nirth certifikit" means. I feel like there's some inside joke I'm missing and I'd really like to laugh along with you at them.

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

LOLcats are our pets, they don't speak English as we do, since they are of another species with different brains, and superior intellects (oops! bad kitty, stop the propaganda already). The spell things...freeform. They're fun.

620 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:55:44pm

re: #581 buzzsawmonkey

Sort of like "Don't let the door hit you in your fourth point of contact on your way out!" as quoted by my husband when I tell him I am leaving.

/all in jest, no panicking people!

621 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:56:14pm

re: #493 A Kiwi Infidel

Here is what you do. Go to Google Images, type in "Hunk Kilt" scroll down to second last line and second image in from right.

You do this at your own risk.

Using your method, google image cheney ice cream. Second column has an interesting pic.

622 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:56:18pm

re: #589 HoosierHoops

If they ain't..there is going to be a lot more guys in Therapy..

Who says it's a guy thing?

623 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:56:39pm

I down-ding creationist comments, because I want it to be very clear that they don't represent me or my site.

624 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:56:42pm

re: #612 reine.de.tout

Ahh, so that's when my numbers followed the stock market. I forgive.

625 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:56:59pm

re: #600 Soona'

Gotta go folks. One more day before my blessed vacation.


Luck you. Safe travels and happy trails.

626 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:57:10pm

re: #609 Bobibutu

OT - halp - I am trying to find the serial number on a 1900's vintage Webber Upright Piano.

It has been described on the internet as to be on the cast iron frame around where the strings meet the tuning nuts.

Well - nuts. I can't find it. Oh Great Lizard Nation - I know this is out there - but if anyone can crack this nut - I know it's you.

RAWMuse ... any insights?

I'd call a piano tuner to be safe, but the front of piano, just behind the music rest, should lift up. the serial number plate is there.

I had an upright like that

627 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:57:21pm

re: #609 Bobibutu
Hmmm
It should be on the cast iron frame.
I am not really a piano expert, but I am married to one and own several.

628 ArmyWife  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:58:02pm

re: #615 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wouldn't some of us have 1 dinger pointing up or down, and some have 2 dingers pointing up or down?

629 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:58:24pm

re: #607 Naso Tang

I still haven't figured out how to do that. Suggestions?

You can't without getting it all over you.

630 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:58:37pm

re: #617 MandyManners

I ain't lookin'.

Don't unless you want to know what's underneath the kilt.

/must have been before the girls tied the blue ribbon on it.

631 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:58:38pm

re: #623 Charles

I down-ding creationist comments, because I want it to be very clear that they don't represent me or my site.

You also probably downdinged comments from folks who said that the Vlaams belang were actually pretty okay guys whom we should work with...;~)

632 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:58:42pm

re: #628 ArmyWife

Wouldn't some of us have 1 dinger pointing up or down, and some have 2 dingers pointing up or down?

I believe those are called freaks...

633 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:59:30pm

re: #617 MandyManners

I ain't lookin'.

Oh, look. YOu know you want to.

634 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:59:47pm

re: #562 buzzsawmonkey

You are good.

At least he has some posts to his credit, but he made me grumpy.

Better than Dopey, less than Happy.

635 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 5:59:56pm

re: #624 Naso Tang

Ahh, so that's when my numbers followed the stock market. I forgive.

LOL!
Wasn't you.

636 right_on_target  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:00:07pm

I met a guy today who told me he was an ID proponent to the point that he is religious about it. He said he had a religious experience watching 2001 - A Space Odyssey as a teenager. He actually believes the movie is telling the truth; evolution with a few kicks [monoliths] by a Supreme Being.
I didn't talk long to this guy since he was looking for a Blu-Ray copy of the movie and the store didn't have it in stock.
Of all the ID "theories", that one never came across my mind, but it makes for a pretty good discussion. What if?

637 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:00:31pm

re: #528 bryantms

Just a quick question...

I understand these people are kooks and wackos, but I'm not sure I understand what "nirth certifikit" means. I feel like there's some inside joke I'm missing and I'd really like to laugh along with you at them.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

here y'go

638 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:00:35pm

re: #633 reine.de.tout

Oh, look. YOu know you want to.

Peer pressure! Peer pressure!

639 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:00:39pm

re: #615 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not quite... we all have one dinger, but an unknown number point up while another unknown number point down.

The two unknown numbers don't match.

You tryin' some of that math shit on me? I ain't having none of it. None, sez I.

640 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:00:42pm

re: #629 MandyManners
Which is why you and I tell asshats to do that! BTW, other than me and grampa, you are the only other person to use that little zinger. First time I saw you use it, I liked to fell out of my chair.

641 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:00:51pm

re: #617 MandyManners

I ain't lookin'.

Just think kielbasa. The penile equivalent to Dolly Parton's breasts.

642 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:01:25pm

Have been trying to enjoy LGF from the iPhone all day. Better than nothing, but very slow, and I can't ding either up or down because my fingers are huge. I tried to ding up some newbie and ended up reporting them by mistake. My bad.

643 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:02:31pm

re: #642 rawmuse

Yeah. You can read but forget about participating...

644 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:02:33pm
645 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:02:43pm

re: #639 MandyManners

You tryin' some of that math shit on me? I ain't having none of it. None, sez I.

Nope, just separating the presence of a dinger from the number of lizards that have a given type of dinger.

It may not seem like it, but the proper functioning of space-time requires this to always remain organized. :-)

646 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:02:44pm

re: #641 Salamantis

Just think kielbasa. The penile equivalent to Dolly Parton's breasts.

So, if Dolly's husband wears a mustache to hide the stretch marks . . . ah, nevah mind.

647 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:02:51pm

I looked. I must say, it was well worth the effort of looking.

I can safely say that dings vary.

648 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:03:24pm

re: #636 right_on_target

I met a guy today who told me he was an ID proponent to the point that he is religious about it. He said he had a religious experience watching 2001 - A Space Odyssey as a teenager. He actually believes the movie is telling the truth; evolution with a few kicks [monoliths] by a Supreme Being.
I didn't talk long to this guy since he was looking for a Blu-Ray copy of the movie and the store didn't have it in stock.
Of all the ID "theories", that one never came across my mind, but it makes for a pretty good discussion. What if?

The Wise Guys in 2001 weren't gods; they were just highly advanced space aliens. They would've had to evolve themselves.

649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:03:24pm

Night kids!

650 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:03:29pm

re: #642 rawmuse

Have been trying to enjoy LGF from the iPhone all day. Better than nothing, but very slow, and I can't ding either up or down because my fingers are huge. I tried to ding up some newbie and ended up reporting them by mistake. My bad.

I may have done the same thing last night.

651 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:03:45pm
652 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:03:47pm

And now Sean Hannity is ranting about the photo of Obama's speechwriter "groping" a cardboard cutout of Hillary Clinton.

Because we really need to get everyone fired who clowns around at private parties.

Sorry, I'm not down with this stuff.

653 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:04:13pm

re: #650 Bloodnok

I may have done the same thing last night.

I did that a lot when I tried to use the touch pad mouse on my laptop.

654 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:04:14pm

re: #630 CyanSnowHawk

Don't unless you want to know what's underneath the kilt.

/must have been before the girls tied the blue ribbon on it.

Bow tie?

655 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:04:15pm

re: #642 rawmuse

Have been trying to enjoy LGF from the iPhone all day. Better than nothing, but very slow, and I can't ding either up or down because my fingers are huge. I tried to ding up some newbie and ended up reporting them by mistake. My bad.

Yes..The best thing to do is just read LGF on a blackberry...
/need smaller fingers or mind control of the keys

656 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:04:37pm

re: #633 reine.de.tout

Oh, look. YOu know you want to.

*waggles eyebrows*

657 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:04:45pm

re: #636 right_on_target

'2001' is an expansion of the original short story by Arthur C. Clarke, the Sentinel. The implication of the story is that aliens gave intelligence on earth a boost, and wanted to know what we would make of it.
This would simply put off the original speculation about how the universe, and the original intelligence, came to be.

"It was only a matter of time before we found the pyramid and forced it open. Now its signals have ceased, and those whose duty it is will be turning their minds upon Earth. Perhaps they wish to help our infant civilization. But they must be very, very old, and the old are often insanely jealous of the young."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

658 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:05:17pm

re: #32 opnion

The woman is without question a tribute to the species.

Hell, She's a tribute to her phylum...or is it genus...can't remember. Whichever is broader...

659 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:05:25pm

re: #652 Charles
Well at least that is just silly. Did you see O'reiily and the uproar over the Holiday display in my Capitol bldg? Olympia, Wa.

660 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:05:59pm

re: #640 pingjockey

Which is why you and I tell asshats to do that! BTW, other than me and grampa, you are the only other person to use that little zinger. First time I saw you use it, I liked to fell out of my chair.

I got it from my nanny.

661 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:06:14pm

Night Lizards... I can't stay up as long as Mandy, I might as well admit it now...

662 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:06:24pm

re: #641 Salamantis

Just think kielbasa. The penile equivalent to Dolly Parton's breasts.

*thud*

663 right_on_target  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:06:48pm

re: #648 Salamantis

The Wise Guys in 2001 weren't gods; they were just highly advanced space aliens. They would've had to evolve themselves.


___
That's what I bascially tried telling him. But he was on a mission, to get a perfect copy of 2001. He had his mind up about what Arthur C Clarke wanted to say.

664 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:06:54pm

Speaking of dings

665 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:06:54pm

re: #660 MandyManners
Must've been one helluva a nanny!

666 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:07:08pm

re: #662 MandyManners

*thud*

Was that something hitting the floor?

667 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:07:13pm

re: #659 pingjockey

Well at least that is just silly. Did you see O'reiily and the uproar over the Holiday display in my Capitol bldg? Olympia, Wa.

When the Seattle TV stations' news divisions jumped on the story with Mr O', I started wondering when the media circus animals were going to show up.

668 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:07:23pm

re: #645 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, just separating the presence of a dinger from the number of lizards that have a given type of dinger.

It may not seem like it, but the proper functioning of space-time requires this to always remain organized. :-)

You tryin' to push some sorta' quantum physics on me?

669 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:07:28pm

Looks like we have a Day without a Gay protest coming down.

670 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:08:14pm

re: #652 Charles

And now Sean Hannity is ranting about the photo of Obama's speechwriter "groping" a cardboard cutout of Hillary Clinton.

Because we really need to get everyone fired who clowns around at private parties.

Sorry, I'm not down with this stuff.

He was young and dumb. I hope he's matured since then.

671 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:08:14pm

re: #659 pingjockey

Well at least that is just silly. Did you see O'reiily and the uproar over the Holiday display in my Capitol bldg? Olympia, Wa.

Yes, I'm not down with that either.

I'm puzzled about this attitude that people have a right not to be offended. If your faith is strong, why would reading an atheist sign bother you? You know it's wrong, so why get upset? Just ignore it if you don't like it.

Instead, O'Reilly whipped up a frenzy over this insignificant issue, and ended up getting the sign stolen. Way to go. Vandalism for Jesus.

672 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:08:25pm

Okay, I just finished a big task.

Should I start another one or go home considering I've been here 12 1/2 hours and worked 14 hours this weekend?

1) Stay. There is still 2 hours until bedtime and there IS that deadline Friday
2) Go. You can't do anymore good tonight.
3) Ron Paul

673 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:08:25pm

re: #654 MandyManners

Bow tie?

The Scotsman
words and music by Mike Cross

Well a Scotsman clad in kilt left a bar on evening fair
And one could tell by how we walked that he drunk more than his share
He fumbled round until he could no longer keep his feet
Then he stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
He stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street

About that time two young and lovely girls just happend by
And one says to the other with a twinkle in her eye
See yon sleeping Scotsman so strong and handsome built
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt

They crept up on that sleeping Scotsman quiet as could be
Lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see
And there behold, for them to see, beneath his Scottish skirt
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth

They marveled for a moment, then one said we must be gone
Let's leave a present for our friend, before we move along
As a gift they left a blue silk ribbon, tied into a bow
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show

Now the Scotsman woke to nature's call and stumbled towards a tree
Behind a bush, he lift his kilt and gawks at what he sees
And in a startled voice he says to what's before his eyes.
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize

674 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:08:59pm

re: #636 right_on_target

I met a guy today who told me he was an ID proponent to the point that he is religious about it. He said he had a religious experience watching 2001 - A Space Odyssey as a teenager. He actually believes the movie is telling the truth; evolution with a few kicks [monoliths] by a Supreme Being.
I didn't talk long to this guy since he was looking for a Blu-Ray copy of the movie and the store didn't have it in stock.
Of all the ID "theories", that one never came across my mind, but it makes for a pretty good discussion. What if?

No- I prefer 'The Adding Machine' as an explanation.

675 saberry0530  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:09:17pm

re: #662 MandyManners

thud

was that the kielbasa or your jaw hitting the floor?

/ Just stands there with a shit eating grin on his face.

676 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:09:23pm

re: #669 rawmuse

Looks like we have a Day without a Gay protest coming down.

So, can bi workers take half a day off?

677 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:09:35pm

re: #669 rawmuse

Looks like we have a Day without a Gay protest coming down.

OMG, who's going to style my hair?

678 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:09:50pm

re: #669 rawmuse

Looks like we have a Day without a Gay protest coming down.

And I thought this was about bringing some sanity into the world...

"Hi, boss, wont be into today, I turned gay, I'll be straight in tomorrow"

679 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:10:18pm

re: #669 rawmuse

*SIGH* Only SF would come up with such a loony idea. Seattleite gays are too busy making money and worried about their next paycheck to countenance such trivial nonsense.

680 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:10:33pm

re: #676 Cattt

So, can bi workers take half a day off?

We have a winner.

681 Empire1  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:10:40pm

re: #672 Silhouette

Okay, I just finished a big task.

Should I start another one or go home considering I've been here 12 1/2 hours and worked 14 hours this weekend?

1) Stay. There is still 2 hours until bedtime and there IS that deadline Friday
2) Go. You can't do anymore good tonight.
3) Ron Paul

Having just finished over a week with folks who had to decide that every day, I would strongly suggest #2.

682 Sloppy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:10:50pm

I opted out of the ding thing when it was introduced, figuring it was just one more complication I didn't need.

683 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:11:06pm

re: #671 Charles

Like Zach Strausbaugh's mural in Dover. The school maintenance man objected to a depiction of human 'micro-evolution,' so he burned it.

684 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:11:15pm

re: #626 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #627 rawmuse

I'd call a piano tuner to be safe, but the front of piano, just behind the music rest, should lift up. the serial number plate is there.

I had an upright like that

Yes - I have removed the upper wood exposing the strings etc. Hunted with flashlight etc. No joy.

685 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:11:16pm

re: #665 pingjockey

Must've been one helluva a nanny!

She was a dear. Prim, proper and straight-laced but, she took very little guff from anyone.

686 Steffan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:11:38pm

Neener neener.

Tribune Co., the owner of the Los Angeles Times, KTLA Channel 5 and dozens of other daily newspapers and television stations across the country, filed Monday for bankruptcy protection from creditors, in the latest indication of deteriorating economics for the news business.

No mention, of course, of the declining quality of their product or their blatant bias.

TNR thinks Obama should offer a media bailout:

Every day the journalism clearinghouse Romenesko links to stories of layoffs and downsizing--Gannett has been cutting 2,000 jobs across the chain, and Newsday has just announced another five percent in the last week alone. Any federal effort to put back to work the hundreds of thousands thrown out of work in the nation's hard-hit industrial, construction, airline, and financial sectors should consider displaced news media workers--including those newly laid off from the publishing industry--as well.

Cry me a frickin' river. As if the New Deal actually solved anything, much less their being worthy of a bailout in the first place.

Michelle Malkin is having fun with it:

For wealthy conservative activist/philanthropists, there may be no more cost-effective way to gain political influence than by buying up local newspapers at distressed prices. Think of the opportunity to modernize these dinosaurs and snatch up mainstream media bargains in important swing states like Colorado and Florida.

I think it's a well-deserved fate, and I've already stocked a lot of popcorn. This should be fun to watch.

687 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:11:46pm

re: #666 goddessoftheclassroom

Was that something hitting the floor?

Yeah. My kiester as I fell on the floor laughing.

688 Cathypop  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:11:49pm

re: #681 Empire1

Having just finished over a week with folks who had to decide that every day, I would strongly suggest #2.


#2 with a large Scotch on the rocks.

689 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:11:51pm

re: #676 Cattt

So, can bi workers take half a day off?

*DING**DING**DING*

690 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:12:09pm

re: #671 Charles

They found the sign outside a C/W station! I think most of the uproar is due to the fact they put up the athiest sign right next to the Manger. The rotunda is huge. They have a Menorah, and I don't know what else. They could've spaced the displays out. Now the whole damn thing is out of hand.

691 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:12:30pm

re: #684 Bobibutu

re: #627 rawmuse

Yes - I have removed the upper wood exposing the strings etc. Hunted with flashlight etc. No joy.

Hmmm...call a piano tuner or musics store for their advice. Now I'm really curious!

692 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:12:39pm

re: #652 Charles

And now Sean Hannity is ranting about the photo of Obama's speechwriter "groping" a cardboard cutout of Hillary Clinton.

Because we really need to get everyone fired who clowns around at private parties.

Sorry, I'm not down with this stuff.

Hannity doesn't bat 1000. There's the NFL on ESPN, which is OK except the announcers can be a little tiresome. I've got Laura Ingraham on the radio in the background.

693 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:12:44pm

re: #684 Bobibutu

Found a link for you.

694 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:13:04pm

re: #671 Charles

Yes, I'm not down with that either.

I'm puzzled about this attitude that people have a right not to be offended. If your faith is strong, why would reading an atheist sign bother you? You know it's wrong, so why get upset? Just ignore it if you don't like it.

Instead, O'Reilly whipped up a frenzy over this insignificant issue, and ended up getting the sign stolen. Way to go. Vandalism for Jesus.

Phelps, I'd get riled over. That sign? I'd laugh and go my way.

Life's too short to be on perma-seethe.

695 Karridine  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:13:10pm

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

I cannot now find online references to the research, but a few years after that Blue Swede #1 hit, their ONLY #1 hit and only release ever, some people published a report that slowing the 45-rpm record to 33.3 and listening carefully, the 'ooga-shakka, ooga-shakka' clearly masked at least one voice asking
"Who got s*cked off?"

In plain English, a subliminal one-off that was a freak joke...

696 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:13:36pm

This birth certificate thing is so silly. Even IF he was born overseas, his mother was American - she goes to the U.S. Embassy and records his birth with them and there's a State Department record.

Honest to Pete.

I was born overseas to American parents. I have two birth 'certificates'. One is Thai, recorded at the local police station, and one is from the American Embassy recording my birth.

Have a U.S. Passport and have always had one.

There are some who are just plain ignorant as to how this all works (including folks in government) because I remember having to argue with some government fool years ago when I needed a secret clearance, that I did not have the naturalization papers he was looking for because I was a citizen by birth.

Of course, my Dad being born in China didn't help this poor guy. lol!

Lawdy. Give it all a rest.

697 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:13:46pm

re: #672 Silhouette

Okay, I just finished a big task.

Should I start another one or go home considering I've been here 12 1/2 hours and worked 14 hours this weekend?

1) Stay. There is still 2 hours until bedtime and there IS that deadline Friday
2) Go. You can't do anymore good tonight.
3) Ron Paul

Two. Never pass up a chance to refresh your brain and body.

698 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:13:57pm

re: #676 Cattt

So, can bi workers take half a day off?

what about transgenders?

they don't work the swing shift?

699 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:14:14pm

re: #694 MandyManners

"perma-seethe"? I love it! LOL! May I steal it?
too late...

700 Cathypop  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:14:25pm

re: #698 Shug

what about transgenders?

they don't work the swing shift?

Oh My God!

701 The Shadow Do  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:14:38pm

re: #652 Charles

And now Sean Hannity is ranting about the photo of Obama's speechwriter "groping" a cardboard cutout of Hillary Clinton.

Because we really need to get everyone fired who clowns around at private parties.

Sorry, I'm not down with this stuff.

I can't imagine working in the public eye in this digital era. Have a bit of fun or even so much as surreptitiously pick your nose and you are apt to be photographed and internet busted - and ruined!

No fun man, no fun any more.

702 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:14:54pm

re: #673 CyanSnowHawk

ROFLMAO! That's precious!

703 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:15:02pm

re: #690 pingjockey

They found the sign outside a C/W station! I think most of the uproar is due to the fact they put up the athiest sign right next to the Manger. The rotunda is huge. They have a Menorah, and I don't know what else. They could've spaced the displays out. Now the whole damn thing is out of hand.

Actually, most of the uproar is due to Bill O'Reilly the demagogue.

704 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:15:03pm

re: #515 Charles

"big-badda-Boom, bad"
/identify the movie and/or character

705 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:15:19pm

re: #675 saberry0530

was that the kielbasa or your jaw hitting the floor?

/ Just stands there with a shit eating grin on his face.

My butt.

706 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:15:32pm

re: #698 Shug

what about transgenders?

they don't work the swing shift?

Their schedule switches around.

707 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:16:06pm

re: #674 Sharmuta

No- I prefer 'The Adding Machine' as an explanation.

We could always go with the L. Ron Hubbard story "Typewriter In The Sky".

708 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:16:11pm

Totally OT, did any of you catch Journey to the Edge of the Universe last night? Really stunning pics and animation. Only downer...Alec Baldwin narrating.

709 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:16:28pm
710 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:16:29pm

re: #699 rawmuse

"perma-seethe"? I love it! LOL! May I steal it?
too late...

Go for it.

711 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:16:41pm

re: #702 MandyManners

ROFLMAO! That's precious!

Here's a link to where I found it. I think there is an MP3 of it around somewhere on that site. It's a great song.

712 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:17:00pm

re: #671 Charles

I'm beginning to think more and more people want to be on the victim band wagon, and why not? When various other forms of grievance theatre have been so successful, it's a bit like Pavlovian conditioning.

713 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:17:10pm

re: #691 goddessoftheclassroom

Hmmm...call a piano tuner or musics store for their advice. Now I'm really curious!

It started out as a simple request from a friend ... (His mothers piano is in storage near me - so I took a look - he's 3 hours away) - now I'm bit and curious as well.

714 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:17:16pm

re: #703 Charles
You are probably correct. What was local is now national, crap.

715 jaunte  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:17:25pm

re: #703 Charles

I hope the people who are offended by that sign understand that O'Reilly gave it the equivalent of dozens of national television commercials. Whoever put it up would be marginalized except for his help.

716 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:17:31pm

re: #704 Joan

"big-badda-Boom, bad"
/identify the movie and/or character


Leeloo- The Fifth Element

717 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:17:51pm

Gotta' go beat The Kid. bbiab

718 mr. beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:18:01pm

So Obama can't pass the Constitutional prerequisites to legally become President.

What's the big deal?

Since when did Democrats give a damn about the Constitution?

719 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:18:10pm

re: #696 rightymouse

You are making WAY too much sense for the sertifikit troofers out there.

720 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:18:13pm

re: #708 pingjockey

Totally OT, did any of you catch Journey to the Edge of the Universe last night? Really stunning pics and animation. Only downer...Alec Baldwin narrating.

Alric Baldrin.

721 Shug  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:18:35pm

re: #709 buzzsawmonkey

Not after surgery.

After getting the axe ?

the ultimate pink slip

722 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:19:44pm

re: #716 Salamantis

Leeloo- The Fifth Element

I use that DVD to test any new video equip I buy. I absolutely love the sequence when the Diva Plavalaguna is singing.

723 Empire1  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:20:09pm

Time for bed here -- hopefully I'll finally get a good restful night's sleep, now that the trial's over.

Rest well, y'all, and see you in the morning!

724 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:20:09pm

re: #720 Walter L. Newton
Heh! That guy has a real knack for pissing me off. Just the sound of his voice wants me to go run the Harley at about 6000rpm and smoke the tires and laugh like a fiend.

725 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:20:39pm

re: #713 Bobibutu

According to that link I linked, not all pianos have serial numbers.

726 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:20:53pm

re: #703 Charles

re: #714 pingjockey

It was on Medved's radio show before it went viral with Mr. O'. Bill just saw the opportunity to score a few easy points on an already national story; more shameless self-promotion for Mr. O'.

727 Steffan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:21:08pm

re: #636 right_on_target

I met a guy today who told me he was an ID proponent to the point that he is religious about it. He said he had a religious experience watching 2001 - A Space Odyssey as a teenager. He actually believes the movie is telling the truth; evolution with a few kicks [monoliths] by a Supreme Being.
I didn't talk long to this guy since he was looking for a Blu-Ray copy of the movie and the store didn't have it in stock.
Of all the ID "theories", that one never came across my mind, but it makes for a pretty good discussion. What if?

Did he mention what kind of trendy chemical amusement aids he was on at the time?

728 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:21:19pm

re: #718 mr. beamish

So Obama can't pass the Constitutional prerequisites to legally become President.

Uh, no.

Obama is a US citizen.

729 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:21:52pm

Speaking of President-Elect Obama, who's the idiot who dreamed up 'cigarettegate'? That takes the fucking cake.

730 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:21:59pm

re: #725 rawmuse

According to that link I linked, not all pianos have serial numbers.

Maybe they were filed off by perps trying to drop it on someone. Wouldn't want to leave any traces, you know.

/

731 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:22:45pm

re: #630 CyanSnowHawk

Don't unless you want to know what's underneath the kilt.

/must have been before the girls tied the blue ribbon on it.



The Drunken Scotsman

732 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:23:20pm

re: #721 Shug

After getting the axe ?

the ultimate pink slip

That's not getting that axe. THIS is getting the axe. :D

733 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:23:42pm

re: #718 mr. beamish

So Obama can't pass the Constitutional prerequisites to legally become President.

What's the big deal?

Since when did Democrats give a damn about the Constitution?

Do you have reading-comprehension problems?

734 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:23:49pm
735 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:23:50pm

I am preparing a list of 133 (or is it 107?) DoD and contractor employees who will testify that the so-called Barack Hussein Obama is, in fact, the baby alien who was born at the Groom Lake Hatchery on August 4, 1961 and who subsequently disappeared during a major renovation. A former NASA, DoD, and CIA operative has sworn on his deathbed that he placed the little alien in his Commando Cody lunchbox and smuggled him past the security gates and into the wilds of Las Vegas. The alien was then passed onto an eccentric family of Bilderberger sleeper agents in Hawaii and raised more or less as a human being. This source was interviewed by me and He Seems Credible (selah).

736 wii42  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:24:54pm

re: #238 goddessoftheclassroom

GotC - from the (shorter) OED:

censor
A noun
1) ...
2) A person who exercises supervision or judgement over the conduct or morals of others.
3) ...
4) An official with the power to suppress the whole or parts of books, plays, films, etc...
...
B verb trans. Act as censor of; officially inspect and make deletions or changes...

Originally I was inclined to agree with your POV, because words have meanings, nevermind the larger issue. But unless you can interpret Charles' role as meaning 2) above, since he isn't an official it looks like 'censor' isn't the right term here, at least according to the OED...

737 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:25:03pm

re: #729 Boogberg

Speaking of President-Elect Obama, who's the idiot who dreamed up 'cigarettegate'? That takes the fucking cake.

You have to expect a little overrun when the hyperbole machine is spinning that fast on election day. I don't think they have it under control yet.

738 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:25:05pm

re: #735 Shiplord Kirel

Oh, wait, Groom Lake is part of the United States and the little alien is a natural born citizen after all.

739 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:25:05pm

re: #733 MandyManners

I hav no redin comprhenshun problemz. I was skuled in Jon Halp uz Karys miltari.

740 sngnsgt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:25:32pm

OT

Is it me or is this photo taken by Reuters shot from down below to make Bawney Fwank and Ma-damn speaker look more ominous?

741 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:25:34pm

re: #725 rawmuse

According to that link I linked, not all pianos have serial numbers.

Or 3 pedals.

742 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:26:07pm

re: #728 Charles

Uh, no.

Obama is a US citizen.

Can you prove it?

743 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:26:29pm

re: #718 mr. beamish

You really have no clue about the Constitution if you think the validity of Obama's citizenship is in question.

Or you are just a fuckin' loon that is seriously deranged as to the nature of reality.

I think maybe both possibilities might be represented.

744 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:26:38pm

re: #740 sngnsgt

OT

Is it me or is this photo taken by Reuters shot from down below to make Bawney Fwank and Ma-damn speaker look more ominous?

No. I think the photographer was trying to get a look at Barney's sling shot.

745 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:26:51pm

re: #740 sngnsgt

OT

Is it me or is this photo taken by Reuters shot from down below to make Bawney Fwank and Ma-damn speaker look more ominous?

Looks to me like Barney is goosing Nancy.

746 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:26:52pm

re: #741 rawmuse

Or 3 pedals.

Or keys!

747 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:27:07pm

re: #719 FurryOldGuyJeans

You are making WAY too much sense for the sertifikit troofers out there.

I'm glad you think so. lol!

I did remember this government guy with hilarity because my Dad's father was an American citizen but his mother was Australian and that blew his brains apart. He couldn't quite figure out 'what' I was. And the ironic thing was that I had carried a secret clearance PRIOR to this nonsense.

748 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:27:08pm

re: #728 Charles

Uh, no.

Obama is a US citizen.

The most important reason to knock off this crap is because the media will hoard it and stockpile it and use it to discredit and drown out our arguments when we find legitimate reasons to oppose him.
Every one of these fringe claims is like handing ammunition to them...

749 Catttt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:27:15pm

re: #742 Mr. Beamish

Can you prove it?

Something tells me you're late to this thread.

YESSSsss, you moron.

750 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:27:56pm

re: #742 Mr. Beamish

Prove he ain't.

But not here because our Host has already said no more BS of this nature here. You got your own blog, shovel your shit there.

751 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:27:58pm

re: #742 Mr. Beamish

Can you prove it?

Something tells me you just got your brain in the mail.

752 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:28:00pm

re: #742 Mr. Beamish

Can you prove it?

You're the one with the outlandish allegation. Burden of proof is on you pal.

753 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:29:16pm

re: #742 Mr. Beamish
Can you prove you're not an agent provocateur?

754 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:29:32pm

re: #725 rawmuse

According to that link I linked, not all pianos have serial numbers.

RGR

755 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:29:40pm

re: #751 Walter L. Newton

Something tells me you just got your brain in the mail.

I think it got left at the dead letter office. ;)

756 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:30:03pm

re: #741 rawmuse

Or 3 pedals.

Has 3

757 sngnsgt  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:30:03pm

re: #748 LGoPs

Damn the torpedoes!

758 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:30:11pm

re: #742 Mr. Beamish

Can you prove it?

It was proven to the US Supreme Court's satisfaction, to the degree that they refused to even hear the case. That's good enough for me. Or do you think that the Supremes are part of the Vast Moonbat Conspiracy (the one on the other side of the aisle from you moonbats)?

759 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:30:16pm

re: #740 sngnsgt

An image like that, if cropped better, could give the impression of power.

Lighting from "down below" will give an ominous impression, especially if it comes from down below either one of those two.

760 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:30:51pm

re: #742 Mr. Beamish

Can you prove it?

Brass ones, you have. About the size of English peas.

761 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:31:10pm

re: #754 Bobibutu
We must put a stop to all the carnage these unlicenced, unserialized pianos are causing.

762 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:31:34pm

In dubious honor of the 9-11 Truthers, I propose that we label these particular moonbats Nirthers.

763 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:32:15pm

We need to pick our battles wisely, otherwise the media will bundle us up and package us all as kooks. That's their specialty...

764 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:32:20pm

re: #753 pingjockey

Can you prove you're not an agent provocateur?

Moby!

765 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:32:36pm

re: #752 CyanSnowHawk

You're the one with the outlandish allegation. Burden of proof is on you pal.

I've made no such allegation.

Charles alleged Obama is a US citizen. I want proof.

Something that makes everyone who questions otherwise a "kook."

766 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:32:49pm

re: #742 Mr. Beamish

Heh. Telling. His blog is "the crank files."

767 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:33:20pm

re: #764 MandyManners
Harpoon sharpening now!

768 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:33:39pm

re: #765 Mr. Beamish

Well, you certainly have the kook designation locked up.

769 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:33:44pm

re: #761 pingjockey

We must put a stop to all the carnage these unlicenced, unserialized pianos are causing.

I deserved that ...
/

770 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:34:22pm

re: #766 Noam Sayin'

Heh. Telling. His blog is "the crank files."

Quit answering Beamish. He has a blog and he's fishing for clip and paste material to put on his blog.

Don't help him out.

771 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:34:52pm

re: #769 Bobibutu
Mwahaha! A little levity is a good thing. After all we have a nirth herder amongst us.

772 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:35:48pm

OK Everyone -

On the Obama/Citizenship Issue - I SHALL repeat, one more time, a "Halachic" View of it.
1. I believe we ALL can agree that his MOTHER, was a US Citizen at the time of his birth, wherever it was.
2. Such a Birth would give him the right to US Citizenship at his age of Majority.
3. Arguably, that right Should make him a "native born" citizen within the meaning of the US Constitution (See: GEORGE ROMNEY).
4. There are MANY reasons that Obama SHOULD NOT be the next US President. Fact is - he will be. Everyone has their right to an opinion - the Facts Remain the Facts, much as we might wish otherwise.

-S-

773 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:35:48pm

re: #760 MandyManners

Thanks, I guess.

774 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:36:03pm

re: #718 mr. beamish

So Obama can't pass the Constitutional prerequisites to legally become President.

What's the big deal?

Since when did Democrats give a damn about the Constitution?

Well...I dare say he's not been running around with an Indonesian passport, eh?

And the nonsense that he would have to have been an Indonesian subject to have gone to school there is just that. Nonsense.

I went to school in Thailand as an American citizen. And I didn't always go to American schools either.

775 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:36:26pm

"re: #652 Charles
And now Sean Hannity is ranting about the photo of Obama's speechwriter "groping" a cardboard cutout of Hillary Clinton.
Because we really need to get everyone fired who clowns around at private parties.
Sorry, I'm not down with this stuff.
MandyManners:
He was young and dumb. I hope he's matured since then.
671 Charles 12/08/08 6:08:14 pm reply quote
re: #659 pingjockey
Well at least that is just silly. Did you see O'reiily and the uproar over the Holiday display in my Capitol bldg? Olympia, Wa.
Yes, I'm not down with that either.
I'm puzzled about this attitude that people have a right not to be offended. If your faith is strong, why would reading an atheist sign bother you? You know it's wrong, so why get upset? Just ignore it if you don't like it.
Instead, O'Reilly whipped up a frenzy over this insignificant issue, and ended up getting the sign stolen. Way to go. Vandalism for Jesus. "

The problem is knowing how to pick the battles. Free speech is a given. The battle to fight is when free speech is suppressed.

This was the wrong battle, because until people took up Vandalism for Jesus, that churlish sign did not win new friends for atheism. If the sign had said "Winter Solstice: May Reason Prevail" with holly and snowflakes--many functional atheists might simply have had... pardon the expression... an epiphany, and followed their personal star to the humanist society. Now, by being thuggish and insecure, some lovely agnostics or atheists have likely fled.

We have to get a balance, a new balance, in this culture war, so that we can find some solidarity. If I can live with "May Reason Prevail at Winter Solstice," then shoot--anything is possible.

776 Lee Coller  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:36:57pm

re: #765 Mr. Beamish

Please don't feed the troll.

777 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:37:15pm

re: #750 FurryOldGuyJeans

Prove he ain't.

But not here because our Host has already said no more BS of this nature here. You got your own blog, shovel your shit there.

He doesn't want to talk politics on his blog. He'd rather try to screw up someone else's reputation.

778 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:37:18pm

re: #770 Walter L. Newton

Don't you hate it when they mess with your anti-paranoia pills?

779 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:38:03pm

re: #776 Lee Coller

Please don't feed the troll.

Can we poke it with a sharpened stick? ;)

780 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:38:08pm

re: #740 sngnsgt

OT

Is it me or is this photo taken by Reuters shot from down below to make Bawney Fwank and Ma-damn speaker look more ominous?

I think it lends them gravitas, stature.

/sarc

781 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:38:27pm

re: #578 Killgore Trout


Hajj makes Muslims more tolerant, study suggests

First thought I had when I saw that headline was "Ah...the Onion!"

782 Steffan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:38:30pm

re: #711 CyanSnowHawk

Here's a link to where I found it. I think there is an MP3 of it around somewhere on that site. It's a great song.

It's been on several Dr. Demento compilations. I have it on my iPod. :)

783 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:38:55pm

re: #770 Walter L. Newton

I'm trying to get him banned. He posted that he doesn't want to talk politics on his blog until next year, preferring instead, other blogs.

784 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:39:07pm

Rather than questioning Obama's citizenship, I think we should start questioning the media's parentage. I would wager that none of them have mothers that were married to their fathers...bastards.
/

785 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:39:35pm

re: #777 Noam Sayin'

He doesn't want to talk politics on his blog. He'd rather try to screw up someone else's reputation.

I know. Shit all over the furniture here so Nirthers flee to elsewhere.

786 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:40:09pm

re: #784 LGoPs
Their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelled of elderberries.

787 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:40:33pm

re: #765 Mr. Beamish
Genesis Nirth Certifkit?Genesis Nirth Certifkit is planet topic forbidden!

788 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:40:54pm

re: #786 pingjockey

Their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelled of elderberries.

I laugh in your general direction...

:)

789 Steffan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:41:09pm

re: #718 mr. beamish

Actually, (ahem) yes, he can.

Not only has the state of Hawaii vouched for his b/c, there was also an announcement in the Honolulu paper. I sincerely doubt that someone used the Time Tunnel or Sailor Pluto's Time Key to go back and plant that news item.

790 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:41:33pm

re: #787 CyanSnowHawk

Genesis Nirth Certifkit?Genesis Nirth Certifkit is planet topic forbidden!

Amazing he hasn't gotten the brick yet from Stinky.

791 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:41:39pm

re: #778 Mr. Beamish

Go piss up a rope.

792 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:42:41pm

re: #779 FurryOldGuyJeans

Can we poke it with a sharpened stick? ;)

Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!

793 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:42:49pm

re: #790 FurryOldGuyJeans
Stinkys' in the bullpen warming up.

794 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:42:52pm

re: #783 Noam Sayin'

You're trying to get me banned?

From what? An echo chamber?

795 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:42:53pm

re: #791 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

He might need video details since just reading the instructions are clearly above his comprehension.

796 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:43:51pm

What's next? Demands for DNA proof that he's not Malcolm X's son? "You have made a claim that Obama is not Malcom X's son - the burden of proof now lies with you to back that claim up". Idiots are funny.

797 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:44:05pm

re: #794 Mr. Beamish

Martyr points! Martyr points!

798 Buck  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:44:07pm

re: #765 Mr. Beamish

I've made no such allegation.

Charles alleged Obama is a US citizen. I want proof.

Something that makes everyone who questions otherwise a "kook."

One last time:

First of all I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his views on Israel, and I worry that he doesn't understand the true evil he will need to defend against. HOWEVER,

I posted a link here with a high res version, and close ups, and witnesses.

The document is his real birth certificate, and HAS been presented outside of DailyKOS.
AND it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.

That should be enough, and I suspect if he were white it would be. No one asked for a copy of Clinton's Birth certificate, and I suspect no one has ever asked for proof of this before now.

However to continue, the head of the Health Department in Hawaii has confirmed that the original certificate is the same as the copy, and therefore Obama was born when and where his American family says he was, Kapiolani Hospital, Honolulu.

It has been verified by the state government official who is responsible for the document and it's authenticity.

The state created the document. That makes it his real Birth Certificate. It refers to where he was born as the county of Honolulu.

Hawaii does not, and has never created Birth Certificates that state the place the person was born as Honolulu, when they were not really born there.

There is no Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178.

Now there is a section 338.17.8. But it covers certificates for those born out of state, not out of the country, and it does not change the Place of Birth.

But even if someone wants to argue about that, it doesn't matter because 338-17.8 didn't exist until 1982.

The state of Hawaii has been very clear, they hold the original 1961 birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii does not hold the original birth certificates of people born in Kenya. The State, or Province in Kenya would hold that. The verified document states clearly where he was born, in the county of Honolulu. (I have verified that there is no County of Honolulu in Kenya.)

Again, Hawaii has never handed out birth certificates, amended, or otherwise that state the person being born in Honolulu when they were not really born there. If they did, then every illegal alien would show up and get one. As this document meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.

There is NO REQUIREMENT other than presenting this document to confirm the citizen requirements of qualifying for POTUS.

This document is official, and has been verified, and has been presented.

The Hawaiian official only confirmed the documents, but not the location of birth because she can't attest to him being born in the hospital that the documents from 1961 say he was. She was not a witness to that event in 1961.

However, she can verify that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate. And that it matches the copy that the State, and her department have provided the world. That very official and legal copy says he was born in Honolulu.


So yes I can prove it.

799 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:44:08pm

re: #763 LGoPs

We need to pick our battles wisely, otherwise the media will bundle us up and package us all as kooks. That's their specialty...

you said it, neat and tidy

800 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:44:32pm

re: #794 Mr. Beamish

You're trying to get me banned?

From what? An echo chamber?

Okay. Now move one step to your left.

801 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:45:11pm

re: #788 LGoPs

I laugh fart in your general direction...

:)

Historical accuracy and all.

802 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:45:44pm

As distasteful as this subject is, the only appeal it would have to me would be the rich, poetic justice of being hoist on his own petard through a technicality, especially since in previous elections he used technicalities to disqualify his own opponents...

Ain't gonna happen...sigh.

803 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:45:57pm

re: #800 Noam Sayin'

Okay. Now move one step to your left.

Don't you mean on the big red X painted on the floor? ;)

804 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:46:18pm

re: #794 Mr. Beamish

You loathsome reprobate.

805 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:46:28pm
806 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:46:46pm

re: #794 Mr. Beamish
We deal in facts. Facts mean what they mean. There is no gray. The state of Hawaii said the B/C is valid. Fact. Oh, wait...A number of people in the state gov't are pulling a fast one. Well, then they've got a long way to go the beat the stunt pulled off by GW, Cheney, and the dark lord Rove. After all, they brought down two 110 story buildings with the aid of 10,000 helpers and nothing has leaked. Amazing.

807 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:46:59pm

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

Very gentlemanly of you.

I try to avoid doing downdings against someone I'm arguing with, as it seems petty--the argument should take precedence. I tend to reserve the downdings for those who are not worth arguing with.

Of you too. Be it known, I will never dispute your command of language; but logic is another matter.

Cheers ;)

808 Steffan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:47:14pm

re: #779 FurryOldGuyJeans

Can we poke it with a sharpened stick? ;)

I'd prefer a pike. You don't want to get too close, after all.

809 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:47:36pm

re: #803 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ixnay... ixnay...

810 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:47:47pm

re: #795 FurryOldGuyJeans

He might need video details since just reading the instructions are clearly above his comprehension.

First, you buy some rope. Then, you hang it. Then, you take out your wee-wee and let it rip.

811 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:47:57pm

re: #798 Buck

One last time:

First of all I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his views on Israel, and I worry that he doesn't understand the true evil he will need to defend against. HOWEVER,

I posted a link here with a high res version, and close ups, and witnesses.

The document is his real birth certificate, and HAS been presented outside of DailyKOS.
AND it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.

That should be enough, and I suspect if he were white it would be. No one asked for a copy of Clinton's Birth certificate, and I suspect no one has ever asked for proof of this before now.

However to continue, the head of the Health Department in Hawaii has confirmed that the original certificate is the same as the copy, and therefore Obama was born when and where his American family says he was, Kapiolani Hospital, Honolulu.

It has been verified by the state government official who is responsible for the document and it's authenticity.

The state created the document. That makes it his real Birth Certificate. It refers to where he was born as the county of Honolulu.

Hawaii does not, and has never created Birth Certificates that state the place the person was born as Honolulu, when they were not really born there.

There is no Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178.

Now there is a section 338.17.8. But it covers certificates for those born out of state, not out of the country, and it does not change the Place of Birth.

But even if someone wants to argue about that, it doesn't matter because 338-17.8 didn't exist until 1982.

The state of Hawaii has been very clear, they hold the original 1961 birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii does not hold the original birth certificates of people born in Kenya. The State, or Province in Kenya would hold that. The verified document states clearly where he was born, in the county of Honolulu. (I have verified that there is no County of Honolulu in Kenya.)

Again, Hawaii has never handed out birth certificates, amended, or otherwise that state the person being born in Honolulu when they were not really born there. If they did, then every illegal alien would show up and get one. As this document meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.

There is NO REQUIREMENT other than presenting this document to confirm the citizen requirements of qualifying for POTUS.

This document is official, and has been verified, and has been presented.

The Hawaiian official only confirmed the documents, but not the location of birth because she can't attest to him being born in the hospital that the documents from 1961 say he was. She was not a witness to that event in 1961.

However, she can verify that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate. And that it matches the copy that the State, and her department have provided the world. That very official and legal copy says he was born in Honolulu.


So yes I can prove it.

It's not as simple as that.

///And the Nirth Hammer is born

812 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:48:01pm

re: #801 MandyManners

Historical accuracy and all.

I wuz tryin' to be like, uh, delicate and all that shit...

813 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:49:27pm

re: #810 MandyManners

First, you buy some rope. Then, you hang it. Then, you take out your wee-wee and let it rip.

Yup, he definitely will need video details...that is way too difficult for his molecule-sized flip-flop to cogitate.

814 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:49:34pm

re: #629 MandyManners

You can't without getting it all over you.

I can now visualize the whole thing. Thanks.

Bet you wish I couldn't.

815 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:50:06pm

re: #812 LGoPs
Forget delicate. It is Monty Python we're quoting here!

816 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:50:33pm

re: #805 buzzsawmonkey

And must thou talk the jabber talk?
You'll come to harm, my Beamish boy
Accounts, I'll say, oft go away
Through trollish comments coy.

Oh, I just knew if anyone would take off on it, you would.

817 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:52:09pm

re: #811 Bloodnok

Buck's Nirther Hammer...

Has a nice ring to it.

I'm favorite Buck's post.

818 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:52:31pm

favoriting

PIFW

819 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:52:45pm

re: #812 LGoPs

I wuz tryin' to be like, uh, delicate and all that shit...

I've an eight-year-old boy and fart is his newest thang.

820 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:53:21pm

re: #814 Naso Tang

I can now visualize the whole thing. Thanks.

Bet you wish I couldn't.

It's an equal-opportunity visual.

821 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:53:30pm

re: #808 Steffan

I'd prefer a pike. You don't want to get too close, after all.

I'll just take Archimedes' lever.

822 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:53:48pm

re: #548 gettinby

Hey there!

Lived in St.Pete Beach for about 10 years before moving "inland."

Best veterinarian in the world in T.I.

I'll take your word for it. Not quick on responses right now. If the Bucs win they stand a chance to be at the first ever Superbowl on home turf.

823 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:53:58pm

re: #819 MandyManners
Oh yeah. My 8 yr old and his buddy will make fart noises over the phone to each other.

824 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:54:11pm

re: #819 MandyManners

I've an eight-year-old boy and fart is his newest thang.

He'd LOVE this.

825 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:54:33pm

re: #820 MandyManners

It's an equal-opportunity visual.

Glad to please. We have to do this more often.

826 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:54:39pm

re: #819 MandyManners

I've an eight-year-old boy and fart is his newest thang.

Wait 'til he gets a belly full of chili.

827 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:55:23pm

re: #824 Sharmuta
OMG! Just what every kid and locker room needs.

828 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:55:23pm

re: #818 Noam Sayin'

favoriting

PIFW

I know what PIMF is...What is PIFW?...Inquiring minds want to know...

829 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:56:19pm

re: #828 LGoPs

Preview is for Wimps.

LET IT
FLY,
N

830 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:56:21pm

re: #716 Salamantis

;-) That scene just makes me smile--what a campy movie.

831 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:56:43pm

re: #828 LGoPs

I know what PIMF is...What is PIFW?...Inquiring minds want to know...

preview is for wieners...maybe...?

832 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:56:53pm

re: #824 Sharmuta

He'd LOVE this.

From the link- International Wind Breaking Contest Audio CD?

833 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:57:28pm

re: #829 Noam Sayin'

Preview is for Wimps.

LET IT
FLY,
N


gotcha...my guess was close I guess...
:)

834 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:58:04pm

Did we scare the moby/troll away?

835 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:58:14pm

re: #792 MandyManners

Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!

What movie?! Oh, yes it was in a film. I forget names, sometimes faces--rarely movie lines. Dang. Just can never match them up to the right films.

836 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:58:51pm
837 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:59:36pm

re: #823 pingjockey

Oh yeah. My 8 yr old and his buddy will make fart noises over the phone to each other.

Same here!

838 summergurl  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 6:59:38pm

re: #765 Mr. Beamish

MY GOD MAN LET IT GO!

Hawaii issued him a birth certificate!
The SC said get outta my face to the troofers..

What do you want a home video of the event?

Man these folks make me downright weary.

839 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:00:46pm

re: #824 Sharmuta

He'd LOVE this.

That's a high-tech whoopie cushion! (No. Just, no.)

840 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:01:14pm

re: #837 MandyManners

Enjoy it now. In another 8yrs you'll be worrying about the kid driving!

841 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:01:14pm

re: #825 Naso Tang

Glad to please. We have to do this more often.

Just whistle. You know how to whistle, don't you?

842 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:01:15pm

re: #798 Buck

That is what I was asking for.

re: #804 MandyManners

That's not very nice.

843 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:01:38pm

re: #826 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wait 'til he gets a belly full of chili.

He hates the stuff.

844 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:01:51pm

Going up thread.

845 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:03:00pm

Ahh, guess not. Beamish --> GAZE

846 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:03:01pm

re: #835 Joan

What movie?! Oh, yes it was in a film. I forget names, sometimes faces--rarely movie lines. Dang. Just can never match them up to the right films.

LOTR.

847 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:03:11pm

re: #794 Mr. Beamish

You're trying to get me banned?

From what? An echo chamber?

It's not an echo chamber. Some of us were not born in America but are American citizens by birth and understand the complexities.

It really does look like Obama is not a naturalized citizen.

We have bigger fish to fry now. This is not one of them.

Kay?

Peace.

848 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:03:35pm

re: #836 buzzsawmonkey

I love classic invective.

Sometimes "FUCK YOU" just doesn't satisfy.

849 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:04:15pm

re: #840 pingjockey

Enjoy it now. In another 8yrs you'll be worrying about the kid driving!

No 'cause he's gonna' have a jet-pack.

850 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:04:43pm

re: #842 Mr. Beamish

That is what I was asking for.

re: #804 MandyManners

That's not very nice.

So? NEITHER ARE YOU.

851 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:04:53pm

re: #843 MandyManners

He hates the stuff.

Only because he doesn't know the connection between beans and farts yet, I would imagine. ;)

852 VioletTiger  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:05:24pm

I had an ear bug all day today. Any Yes fans out there?...Nirth-ship troofers go sailing on by...

853 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:05:51pm

re: #842 Mr. Beamish

A clueless fuck like you lecturing someone as to manners is a classic.

854 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:07:08pm

re: #848 MandyManners

Sometimes "FUCK YOU" just doesn't satisfy.

And "YOU BASTARD" never seems to provide the full bang since I am one in the classic legal and social sense.

855 palarson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:08:32pm

I'm no truther, and I know the difference between when I think I'm right, when I know I'm right, and when I wish I was right. As of today, at least, there is enough smoke to warrant my doubts about BO's place of birth. I won't attempt to speak to any other detail but this:

The certificate posted at Fact Check is a COLB. A COLB is not a birth certificate. Its not proof he was born in Hawaii and its not proof he wasn't. It does not show who his doctor was or in which hospital he was born. The "officials" examining his "birth certificate" merely related that they have his birth certificate on file and that they saw it. There is enough reason to believe that without a court order they wouldn't reveal publicly if it said he was born on the moon or that Santa Claus was his dad.

856 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:10:48pm

OK, you guys are all right. And defeated.
It happens in life. No one says life is fair.
Get over it.

857 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:11:01pm

re: #850 MandyManners

I'm sorry you feel that way.

858 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:12:31pm

Nobody probably gives a shit but just in case there is one lizard out there who really cares...I'll BBL

:)

859 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:13:48pm

re: #853 FurryOldGuyJeans

Come now. Let's not make this blog look like the commenters are oafish sods. I asked a question, got it answered. All is groovy.

860 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:15:20pm

re: #855 palarson

I'm no truther, and I know the difference between when I think I'm right, when I know I'm right, and when I wish I was right. As of today, at least, there is enough smoke to warrant my doubts about BO's place of birth. I won't attempt to speak to any other detail but this:

The certificate posted at Fact Check is a COLB. A COLB is not a birth certificate. Its not proof he was born in Hawaii and its not proof he wasn't. It does not show who his doctor was or in which hospital he was born. The "officials" examining his "birth certificate" merely related that they have his birth certificate on file and that they saw it. There is enough reason to believe that without a court order they wouldn't reveal publicly if it said he was born on the moon or that Santa Claus was his dad.

You're not paying attention.

It doesn't matter WHERE Obama was born. Just like it didn't matter where I was born.

He was born an American Citizen. Got that?

Now, if you don't like that, go ahead and try and prove he's a naturalized citizen. Nothing is stopping you from doing that.

861 loggiedog  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:15:40pm

There is certainly tighter regulation on LGF as to what readers are allowed to post, relative to the things that used to be posted during its early years, however LGF has evolved to become a respected blog on political and terrorism issues; it could not maintain that respect if it allowed posters to continually spread conspiracy theories or hate-filled tirades, the way extremist blogs do. In essence, LGF is a moderate conservative site; there is room for discussion between moderates on both sides of the political spectrum, and the name of the game here is the discussion and argument over facts. There is no room for conspiracy theorists or PC thugs in this environment. The Anti-Idiotarian philosophy is based on moderacy, logic, and common sense. There really is no such thing as freedom of speech, unless you're talking to yourself.

862 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:17:50pm

re: #104 CapeCoddah

Charles, don't let one idiot get you upset. That is what he wants. Screw him, and screw "Daisy" too, who dinged it up, but does not have the intestinal fortitude to come forward and say it out loud. Coward.

Wow. Coward? I intended to give a quiet ding down but hit plus by mistake - a fairly typical technological mistake on my part. You're comment is pretty harsh; even worse, it's people pleasing.

863 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:18:16pm

I am hanging out here because I really don't have an hour and 10 minutes to watch the vid on the next thread over.

864 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:18:40pm

re: #855 palarson

I have my certified copy sitting in front of me and it says

"CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH".

My mother signed it, the doctor signed it- it's what the government gave me to prove my birth.

865 Daisy  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:20:09pm

re: #131 Yashmak

Yeah, I noticed that too.

Speaking of cowards, why didn't either one of you heroes write to me directly?

866 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:20:45pm

re: #864 Sharmuta

Mine sez the same thing. Only different state. And gender. And age.
OK, it is really different than yours...
Wow, I was big on my birthday, 8.75 lbs. My poor mother.

867 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:21:18pm

re: #864 Sharmuta

I have my certified copy sitting in front of me and it says

"CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH".

My mother signed it, the doctor signed it- it's what the government gave me to prove my birth.

I don't have any of that. Although I do know the Dr.'s name who delivered me. :)

868 Buck  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:22:14pm

re: #855 palarson

I'm no truther, and I know the difference between when I think I'm right, when I know I'm right, and when I wish I was right. As of today, at least, there is enough smoke to warrant my doubts about BO's place of birth. I won't attempt to speak to any other detail but this:

The certificate posted at Fact Check is a COLB. A COLB is not a birth certificate. Its not proof he was born in Hawaii and its not proof he wasn't. It does not show who his doctor was or in which hospital he was born. The "officials" examining his "birth certificate" merely related that they have his birth certificate on file and that they saw it. There is enough reason to believe that without a court order they wouldn't reveal publicly if it said he was born on the moon or that Santa Claus was his dad.

You are completely wrong. The official document stated his place of birth. This official document came from the State. It is certified. This document meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.

The state created the document. That makes it his real Birth Certificate. It refers to where he was born as the county of Honolulu.

There is no way possible for the document to say his place of birth was Honolulu when it wasn't.

The state of Hawaii has been very clear, they hold the original 1961 birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii does not hold the original birth certificates of people born in Kenya. The State, or Province in Kenya would hold that. The verified document states clearly where he was born, in the county of Honolulu.

869 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:23:38pm

re: #819 MandyManners

I've an eight-year-old boy and fart is his newest thang.

Mandy - have they learned the trick yet where they take a straw, and bend it so that one end is in their armpit, while they blow in the other end and make beautiful music?

870 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:26:07pm

re: #867 rightymouse

I don't have any of that. Although I do know the Dr.'s name who delivered me. :)

It's my old copy. I couldn't find it after a move, so I went and got a new certified copy that doesn't include that information- looks more like what 0bama released.

Sorry Nirthers- it came from the government. It's legit, people. Let it go and focus on the next four years.

871 rightymouse  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:31:33pm

re: #870 Sharmuta

It's my old copy. I couldn't find it after a move, so I went and got a new certified copy that doesn't include that information- looks more like what 0bama released.

Sorry Nirthers- it came from the government. It's legit, people. Let it go and focus on the next four years.


The Nirthers will have to prove that Obama was a naturalized citizen - that's the bottom line.

It's late and I'm going to bed.

872 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:33:27pm

re: #819 MandyManners

I've an eight-year-old boy and fart is his newest thang.

You have many years to go, and so will his wife. Trust me.

873 Buck  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:35:26pm

re: #618 Charles

You've been doing a great job fighting against the kooks, and I for one appreciate it. Here's a karma point from me.

Thank you. I only hope to contribute as I can. I enjoy myself everyday here.

874 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:39:38pm

re: #794 Mr. Beamish

You're trying to get me banned?

From what? An echo chamber?

That's enough out of you.

875 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:40:13pm

re: #841 MandyManners

Just whistle. You know how to whistle, don't you?

Whistle while pissing up a rope? What kind of test is this? The only way I can whistle is with two fingers, one from each hand, stuck in my mouth. The only way I can simultaneously piss up a rope is with a hard-on (maybe), and right now all I can think of is you.

Peace.

876 poopeedoo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:40:58pm

re: #823 pingjockey

My 8 year old enjoys the arm farts.

877 poopeedoo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:48:04pm

re: #875 Naso Tang

Eww.

878 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 7:55:54pm

re: #669 rawmuse

Looks like we have a Day without a Gay protest coming down.

And drawing support from Newsweek.

879 Once and Future Angeleno  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:00:15pm

Agreed that Chas' stance is not censorship. If my maiden aunt doesn't want me swearing while at dinner at her house, then I don't swear while at dinner at her house.

Query, however, why this is not a legitimate issue, regardless of how many nuts may be taking up the howl out on the 'net.

How about judging on the merits? That's what was done in Rathergate: an apparently forged memo dissing GWB was vetted and re-vetted until a document examiner weighed in and now everyone but Dan Rather knows the memo was a fake. Why not apply the same standard to the birth certificate?

I profoundly disagree with Horowitz, whose autobiography I just read and admired. Following the rules DOES indeed matter, whether at Auntie's dining table, on Charles' blog, or in whether someone is eligible to be President. Just because some nutjobs are flogging the issue to death does not invalidate or answer the underlying question.

Charles makes the rules in his house, but I wish some of the other visitors here were less nasty in their comments to those raising what is to me an intriguing question, arising as it does with regard to a campaign rife with questionable activities by the apparent winner's voter registration arm ACORN.

880 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:05:22pm

re: #879 Once and Future Angeleno

There is no evidence that 0bama is anything but a natural born citizen- period. What need is there to re-examine this?

881 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:10:37pm

re: #879 Once and Future Angeleno

The point is that the issues have been raised, and addressed, and at some point one becomes an ass for pretending to be unique by claiming that this is not the case.

Perhaps simply trying to be current on facts would be the least painful solution.

882 Once and Future Angeleno  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:28:14pm

Dear Naso Tang, Calling me an ass is exactly the kind of stuff I am talking about. Supercilious condescension and personal attacks on people you disagree with is something that the Dems have made an art of in recent times and that I would think we could avoid.

In fact, I have read a good bit on this topic and there are several misstatements above about the law and who qualifies as a citizen. I was born outside the 50 states, to American parents, on a military installation, and have had difficulty registering to vote because of that, due to a registrar's misunderstanding of the law. It happens. The Senate was concerned and careful enough about John McCain's Panama birth to pass a 'sense of the Senate' resolution about his citizenship, so these are not irrelevant quibbles.

These issues are interesting and deserve attention and analysis based on the law in effect then and the law now, the events at the time, and any intervening events. Gather the facts, ascertain applicable law, make an analysis, and come to a conclusion: it's what lawyers do everyday. I am one. What I do not do is write back to opposing counsel and call them an ass in order to avoid a rigorous analysis of the situation.

883 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:35:55pm

re: #882 Once and Future Angeleno

There is a Certificate of Live Birth that has been produced. The state of Hawaii has confirmed they have his birth certificate on file. What more needs to be produced to put this question to bed?

884 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:41:51pm

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

Just who are you calling a "moral mushroom?"

You. Yer nothin' but truffle, bub.

885 Joan  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:45:15pm

re: #846 MandyManners

LOTR.

Orcs! thanks. now I can sleep.

886 Han_Solo  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:51:24pm

For the record I believe that most likely Obama meets the citizenship qualifications for his presidency.


HOWEVER, there is one thing that became very very VERY disturbing during this... NONE OF THE STATES CHECK ANYTHING for the presidential candidates. The presidential candidates are NOT held up to the same requirements for proof of eligibility for office as every single other candidate on a state ballot.

EVERY state election official and local secretary of state that was questioned was totally clueless, and seemed to think that it was 'NOT THEIR JOB' to verify the presidential candidates filing requirements.

So none of the states check anything, and there is zero jurisdiction at the federal level, then that means that ANYONE IN THE WORLD can be elected president with ZERO checks.

If a REAL HONEST QUESTION comes up there is NO ONE TO CHECK IT OUT...that's the part that bugs me. It seems like the individual states election officials should be able to force a candidate to answer and questions to their eligibility by a citizen in that state, but they all took the stance that they were powerless in this election.


Frankly the fact that everyone just takes whatever name is submitted and puts them on the ballot without doing any other checks like they do for any other office in the country is pretty scary.


I could care less about Obama, but I wanted to see how far these cases could go and hoped for a ruling of some sort by the Supreme Court to say JUST WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY lies.

887 asshander  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 8:59:29pm

Any mention of censorship by Charles WRT this issue is dishonest and displays a misunderstanding of rights, and property, as Charles and others perhaps stated already.

Under our (the US) Constitution, one has the right of freedom of speech, not to an audience. Lord help us when that changes.

888 Once and Future Angeleno  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 9:08:29pm

re: #886 Han_Solo

Good comment, I agree.

Interesting how the exact age of various Chinese gymnasts at the recent Olympics and various referee calls at any given professional sports event evince far more interest, analysis and passion than the mechanics and integrity of our precious birthright: citizenship.

889 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 9:22:43pm

To prove Obama's citizenship, we have:

1) a certification of live birth that has been vouched for by the State of Hawaii,

2) a statement from the State of Hawaii that they have verified that Obama's actual birth certificate is on file, and

3) notices published in both Hawaii newspapers in 1961, announcing the birth of Barack Obama.

Unless you're willing to believe that all of these people in the Hawaii State chain are lying, and that Obama possesses time traveling powers to go back to 1961 and plant those birth notices, this so-called "controversy" is over.

It's been over for a long time, but some people are so desperate over the election of Obama they've become deranged. And other people always were deranged -- like the people filing these frivolous lawsuits.

Please stop. Obama is the president-elect, he's an American citizen, and all you're doing with this nonsense is making yourself look like a fool.

890 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 9:32:05pm

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs

7 FAM 1131.2 Prerequisites for Transmitting U.S.
Citizenship
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
Since 1790, there have been two prerequisites for transmitting U.S.
citizenship to children born abroad:

(1) At least one natural parent must have been a U.S. citizen when the
child was born. The only exception is for a posthumous child.

Was Obama's mother a citizen?
If yes, case closed.

891 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 9:37:12pm

re: #890 solomonpanting

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs

Was Obama's mother a citizen?
If yes, case closed.

Yes. And he was not born abroad, either. He was born in the state of Hawaii.

892 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 9:42:30pm

re: #891 Charles

Yes. And he was not born abroad, either. He was born in the state of Hawaii.

Thank you. The "abroad" section is for those who believe (1)Obama was born out of the country and (2)His mother was not the person everyone claims she is. Now the onus is upon those to disprove (2).

893 Once and Future Angeleno  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 10:00:21pm

re: #883 Sharmuta
"There is a Certificate of Live Birth that has been produced. The state of Hawaii has confirmed they have his birth certificate on file. What more needs to be produced to put this question to bed?"

That's the right question. Often the subparts of the question don't become clear until a little digging has been done. ("You say it was snowing before you fell. Big fluffy flakes, or little pellets? How much was on the ground? Was there an accumulation? Was there ice?" and so on.)

What I have not seen in the birth certificate discussion is a full analysis of the state laws of Hawaii regarding birth certificates, what an official form looks like, what a certification looks like, whether it goes on the front or the back of the cert, what is held in the vault and how it may differ in form from a COBL, etc. I have also not seen a full analysis of the laws of Hawaii and the US in effect at the time of Obama's birth regarding citizenship, but have seen interesting but unfootnoted statements that at the time of his birth, a US citizen mother would automatically confer citizenship on her children if the mother had lived in Hawaii for 5 years after the age of 14 -- whereas Obama's mother was allegedly 18 at the time of his birth, and therefore could have lived in Hawaii or anywhere else for a maximum of 4 years after the age of 14 -- but then again, we would have to know when the 5 years would start being counted and when they end, and if there are any exceptions. Was Obama adopted by Mr Soetoro, his stepfather, in Indonesia or elsewhere, and if so proven, what effect does this have on Obama's putative citizenship -- was dual citizenship between Indonesia and the US accepted then and accepted now? Some of these answers may never be known, but ignoring them simply sows doubt in even reasonable people. Determining the questions, gathering all the known evidence, and drawing the best available conclusions is all that can be -- and everything that should be -- done, a la Rathergate. Some will never be satisfied, but most would be, after a careful and thorough review.

I confess to being troubled that Mr Obama did not address these issues head on and authorize release of all documents held in Hawaii and in Indonesia and let the sunshine do its work. The blind eye turned to the activities of ACORN, the lack of release of his school records, the lack of release of medical records, the lack of information about his years at Columbia University, the lack of information about foreign travel, the obfuscation about his relationship with some troubling characters, all these things taken together make me uneasy about his forthrightness.

What if he is not a US citizen? Someone here or elsewhere commented that if it is determined now that he is not a US citizen, then the votes of 64 million citizens will have been (I forget the verb used) thrown away or invalidated. Well, unpleasant consequences result from improper acts, and those on whom the improper acts were inflicted should not be the ones to bear the unpleasant consequences. I sincerely hope that this is not the case and that nothing improper has taken place, but without the rule of law, what have we left? Do we reward one who wins by trickery and allow the prize to remain in his/her hands? Would we want someone who wins by trickery to lead us? Could we trust him/her with our very lives and those of our children?

McCain took the high road again and again in the campaign, as he is a gentleman and would rather lose than disrupt the republic. I however wish very much that someone had put together a top flight panel to review the situation and release the results of the review before the election. I would rather be led by someone, and trust my life and that of my family, to someone not careless with the truth. Why such a panel was not convened, I do not know, but I wish it had.

Mr Obama will be my president, and I pray for him always to do the right thing.

894 funky chicken  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 10:02:28pm

re: #5 warnergt

Yeah. After all, maybe it would be fun to ride the ship to crazytown. Stop being such a bunch of haters.

/because thousands of 8 month pregnant middle-class teenagers flew to Kenya back in 1961. don't you all know that? sheesh

895 Once and Future Angeleno  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 10:14:18pm

re: #889 Charles

Not to impugn the state authorities of Hawaii, because I have no reason to do so, it would be really really helpful if they would show the original vault documents and not just opine that their statements are correct. State officials are human, witness what happened in Ohio with Joe the Plumber's records getting rifled through for political advantage. "Because I say so" works with a two year old, but not when original documents are available for inspection and verification.

Thanks for the quotes to statute above, but cherry-picking provisions in the law without a full analysis is not an acceptable approach. A *thorough* and documented review of law, written evidence and testimony of relevant individuals is what is missing here.

Makes me look like a fool? Maybe. Maybe not. Name-calling doesn't address the issues.

896 RedinCAf  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 10:21:36pm

Nirth Certifikit links, posts, comments, jokes, opposition, praise, etc. etc. except profanity, threats or empty ad hominem attacks ARE welcome HERE.

Wackos and truthers notwithstanding, there ARE issues worth discussing, such as the question WHO exactly has the job of verifying the eligibility of candidates for office? As far as the POTUS is concerned, it's apparently no one.

897 FreckleFaceFourEyes  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 10:21:51pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He turned me into a newt!

898 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 10:29:27pm

re: #893 Once and Future Angeleno

That seems to be a really long winded way of saying you want to further this discussion despite the fact there is no evidence that points to 0bama having been born anywhere other than Hawaii.

re: #895 Once and Future Angeleno

0bama was born in Hawaii. I don't know how a thorough review of the law would alter that in any way.

899 once and future angeleno  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 11:15:33pm

re: #898 Sharmuta

Didn't mean to bore you. Short answer: I don't have to prove he was NOT born in Hawaii -- he has to prove that he WAS (or that he has other grounds for claiming to be a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution). If I order a beer, the barkeeper doesn't have to prove that I'm NOT old enough to drink: I have to prove that I AM.

You say he 'was born in Hawaii' -- maybe so, but there is a question about the COBL being an accurate and sufficient representation of what's in the so-called vault in Honolulu and whether that confirms the location of his birth and appears to be a valid document (see 'Rathergate'). He has to prove he was born in Hawaii and that his birth was under circumstances in accordance with the then-current law regarding citizenship.

This is not rocket science: it's just that no one [Obama] has sat down and put all the pieces together in an evidenced, reasoned, complete fashion for review and vetting. It may well be all in order, but if so, why not produce the evidence? That's what is discomfitting. He's a lawyer and he knows lots of other lawyers -- they could have put this together in no time flat and put it out for review. You know, the stuff investigative journalists used to pore over.

Say, does anybody remember the good work Zombie did on Obama's mysterious time at Columbia? That's the kind of investigative work needed, and I don't remember anyone calling Zombie names for digging around. ("Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts." -- Sgt Joe Friday)

Producing all this now would also shut up people like me who seem to annoy even LGFers otherwise so keen on sorting out Green Helmet and other oddities of the universe. What happened?

Yours truly,
An 'ass' and a 'fool'

900 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 11:30:25pm

re: #899 once and future angeleno

Yes- you sound like a fool when you question the documentation that was verified by the state. My stars! Would you go to this trouble in verifying the documentation of any and all employees if you were running a company? Or would a certified Certificate of Live Birth be enough?!

You can respond if you'd like, but I'm done with you. Brick wall visions are running through my head.

901 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 11:45:19pm

:sigh: It is sad to see that for some, Occam's Razor has grown miserably dull from lack of use.

P.S. Silver bullets are for werewolves.

P.S.S. Obama is not a werewolf.

P.S.S.S. Werewolves are not real.

902 Shill  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:18:25am

re: #5 warnergt

Sounds like censorship to me.

re: #22 markx

Sounds like personal property rights to me.

Um... it's both.

Can you imagine how ungovernable this nation would be if Obama were tossed out based on him not being a natural born citizen (whatever that may mean)?

I wish he would end this controversy definitively and just release everything asked for.

903 once and future angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:03:19am

re: #900 Sharmuta

Yes- you sound like a fool when you question the documentation that was verified by the state. My stars! Would you go to this trouble in verifying the documentation of any and all employees if you were running a company? Or would a certified Certificate of Live Birth be enough?!

You can respond if you'd like, but I'm done with you. Brick wall visions are running through my head.

Do you suppose that there is not someone in a state office somewhere who would so like to see Obama elected that s/he would not falsify a certificate? Trust but verify, as Mr Reagan said. Are not the shenanigans going on in registrars offices before and after the election not indicators of what people are willing to do to get The One into office?

Would I go to all that trouble to verify documentation of my employees? If they held the nuclear codes and the fate of my country, you betcha.

How airy of you to be 'done with me'. Please consider dealing with the issues instead of dissing the messenger.

904 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:14:29am
Yes- you sound like a fool when you question the documentation that was verified by the state. My stars! Would you go to this trouble in verifying the documentation of any and all employees if you were running a company? Or would a certified Certificate of Live Birth be enough?!

I don't wish to become a combatant on this topic, but just an FYI: Even the State of Hawaii will not accept a CLB a proof of State birth due to the many loopholes that make it possible to get one without actually being born there.

905 Sprite  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:15:25am

re: #900 Sharmuta

I question anything proffered by factcheck.org, government officials who claim the existence of a record but not what it contains, details offered by Obama himself regarding his Indonesian stint and a host of other matters of legal interest regarding eligibility. Now let's add in all the relevant documents he has Not provided.

Are you an attorney, Sharmuta? Are you familiar with the 'best evidence rule'? Are you familiar with the fact that different states have varying requirements regarding the contents of COLBs, BCs, and how they may vary?

For you to deride attorneys on this board for posing relevant questions speaks of your own lack of education in this regard.

Now I'm done with the name calling ("you sound like a fool") and the holier than thou attitude of some posters here.

906 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:15:56am

The number of people who would have to be lying, fabricating fake documents, and concealing evidence for the Obama nirth cirtifikit crap to be true rivals the number that would be required to pull off Sarah Palin getting away with claiming she gave birth to her daughter's Bristol's baby.

In other words, neither could be perpetrated without it being leaked or discovered in very short order. And nirthers are behaving on this issue precisely like Andrew Sullivan is behaving on that one; hysterical and more than a bit bizarre.

This is tinfoil turban, ebon helo stuff.

907 Stonemason  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:20:33am

re: #835 Joan

What movie?! Oh, yes it was in a film. I forget names, sometimes faces--rarely movie lines. Dang. Just can never match them up to the right films.

The Two Towers

908 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:26:21am

re: #906 Salamantis

The number of people who would have to be lying, fabricating fake documents, and concealing evidence for the Obama nirth cirtifikit crap to be true rivals the number that would be required to pull off Sarah Palin getting away with claiming she gave birth to her daughter's Bristol's baby.

OK, I'll bite..what people?

909 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:28:35am

re: #903 once and future angeleno

Do you suppose that there might be laws on the books about falsifying state records in Hawaii? That given all the attention this one certificate has generated, that falsifying it's existence might be more difficult that it might otherwise be to falsify a state record? Do you suppose that there might be a person dealing with the State of Hawaii's records that might want to show 0bama's NOT a citizen just as much as their might be one willing to falsify the record? That the notoriety and fame that might come with exposing 0bama as a fraud would be tempting?

Do you suppose the Hillary campaign would not have dealt with this if it were legitimate? That one point is such a death knell I'm going to repeat it- do you really think the Hillary campaign would have overlooked this and not pursued it to the fullest?

Do you really think studying 1960s birth certificate laws would somehow invalidate 0bama's? And even if there was a technical error on his BC, might that not be due to human error and not alter the fact he was born in Hawaii? Is this not desperately searching for a technicality you don't even know exists? Don't we normally call that a wild goose chase?

So perhaps if you were to consider dealing with reality instead of feeding paranoid conspiracies you'd be better off.

910 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:28:43am

re: #908 Deek

OK, I'll bite..what people?

Doctors. Nurses. Hospital administrators. Recordkeepers. Family. Friends of family. Employers of family. The list goes on and on...

911 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:31:30am

Do you really think that BOTH of Hawaii's newspapers falsified Barak Obama's birth announcement back in 1961 because they knew he'd need it to become US President in 2008?

912 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:36:43am

re: #910 Salamantis

Doctors. Nurses. Hospital administrators. Recordkeepers. Family. Friends of family. Employers of family. The list goes on and on...


Uh...ok. I have not seen any Doctors, Nurses, Hospital Administrators or record keepers say that Obama was born in HI. If you have those, I would very much like to seem them.

PS: I find it odd that "Obama" still doesn't show up in spell check...

913 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:37:19am

Do you really think Hillary let this major technicality slip through her fingers?

914 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:42:15am

re: #912 Deek

Uh...ok. I have not seen any Doctors, Nurses, Hospital Administrators or record keepers say that Obama was born in HI. If you have those, I would very much like to seem them.

PS: I find it odd that "Obama" still doesn't show up in spell check...

I haven't seen any of the people I mentioned, or anyone else who would have been in a position to know such a thing, reap fame and fortune by coming forward to reveal such a global scoop, ensuring themselves fame, fortune, and lucrative TV interviews. And it is unreasonable in the extreme to assume that everyone who would be in a position to know such a thing would forego such rewards because every single one of them wanted Barak in office.

915 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:26am

re: #911 Salamantis

Do you really think that BOTH of Hawaii's newspapers falsified Barak Obama's birth announcement back in 1961 because they knew he'd need it to become US President in 2008?

Do you really think Hillary let this major technicality slip through her fingers?

No idea on either of these, but I am pretty sure neither argument will get you a driver's license in HI, not to mention access to the Presidency.

916 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:48:45am

re: #890 solomonpanting

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs

Was Obama's mother a citizen?
If yes, case closed.

And never mind this bit of law, either. Go on- prove Stanley Ann wasn't an American.

917 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:18am

re: #914 Salamantis

I haven't seen any of the people I mentioned, or anyone else who would have been in a position to know such a thing, reap fame and fortune by coming forward to reveal such a global scoop, ensuring themselves fame, fortune, and lucrative TV interviews. And it is unreasonable in the extreme to assume that everyone who would be in a position to know such a thing would forego such rewards because every single one of them wanted Barak in office.

I am still strugling with who we are talking about here. I have seen no one vouch for Obama being born in HI. I have seen only one vague quote that the State is in possession of a vault copy of the BC, but no suggestion what that BC says.

I am not trying to argue that he was not born in HI, only trying to make the point that no good proof has been made that he was. Until there is proof, this debate will just drag on.

918 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:50:53am

re: #915 Deek

No idea on either of these, but I am pretty sure neither argument will get you a driver's license in HI, not to mention access to the Presidency.

Sharmuta's point was an argument; my point was a fact.

And I fail to see how some Illuminati conspircy would have caused BOTH of Hawaii's newspapers to falsify Barak Obama's birth announcement 46 years before he would be elected to the US Presidency, just so he would fulfill Constitutional natural-born citizen requirements. If so, he must've been one impressive-looking baby; maybe all those halo pics aren't Photoshopped...;~)

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

919 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:54:43am

re: #917 Deek

Question here. If he wasn't born in HI, why would they have his BC on file in a vault? According to my understanding, all BC's are filed in the state or country of birth. So if HI says they have it under lock and key, that would mean he was born there.

920 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:58:32am

re: #917 Deek

I am still strugling with who we are talking about here. I have seen no one vouch for Obama being born in HI. I have seen only one vague quote that the State is in possession of a vault copy of the BC, but no suggestion what that BC says.

I am not trying to argue that he was not born in HI, only trying to make the point that no good proof has been made that he was. Until there is proof, this debate will just drag on.

Nirthers are indeed like truthers; if Barak Obama's birth had been filmed, with a pan to the window showing Diamondhead, they would be claiming that the film was doctored. If a dozen people in a position to know signed sworn and notarized affidavits to the fact, they would be clamoring to check their bank accounts for bribes, and check their phone records to see if they had been coerced into perjury.

It's an overwhelming desire for Obama not to assume office fueling an outlandish conspiracy theory. It is motivated by and born of emotion, not intellection. The nonsensical post hoc rationalizations come later.

921 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:59:17am

re: #917 Deek

Except there is proof. The BC was produced. The State of Hawaii confirmed it is in it's vaults. This isn't good enough for some people.

Fine- say he was born in Kenya then. How do you deal with this bit of law then?

I think the answer is, some people need to get over this issue. It's D-E-A-D.

922 picaro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:00:47am

re: #917 Deek

The reasonable explanation for not releasing a birth certificate at this point is so Obama can lump critics on other issues with the kook fringe.

Privacy is a non-issue. His date of birth and parents' names are publicly known. The only relevant 'missing' data is his place of birth. But that is a non-starter as well unless one wants to argue that his mother was a resident alien or not really his mother, but a stand in. Good luck with that.

Oops, I gave them more ideas.

923 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:03:17am

re: #918 Salamantis

And I fail to see how some Illuminati conspircy would have caused BOTH of Hawaii's newspapers to falsify Barak Obama's birth announcement 46 years before he would be elected to the US Presidency, just so he would fulfill Constitutional natural-born citizen requirements. If so, he must've been one impressive-looking baby; maybe all those halo pics aren't Photoshopped...;~)

*laugh* I have no idea. Just trying to stick with the facts, and make the point that there is no proof either way. Until there is is proof, this debate will drag on, and on, and on...

924 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:03:24am

re: #922 picaro

Oops, I gave them more ideas.

Not really, they would have gotten there eventually. And in fact they have gone a few other places already. Hear the one where Malcom X is his real father?

925 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:04:20am

The Nirthers have their own lolcat!

926 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:06:03am

re: #923 Deek

You can repeat "no proof" over and over and over, but it doesn't make it so.

927 picaro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:07:49am

re: #924 BlueCanuck

That's a good one. Or he came down from the mothership.

928 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:08am

re: #921 Sharmuta

Except there is proof. The BC was produced. The State of Hawaii confirmed it is in it's vaults. This isn't good enough for some people.

Fine- say he was born in Kenya then. How do you deal with this bit of law then?

No BC has been produced. The State has said they have one, but I have not seen it, nor has anyone indicated what it says.

As to the "law" that applied to Citizenship, not to being "Natural Born".

This is socially interesting: I entered this topic because of the lack of facts on both sides. I have come to realize both sides are making pretty whacked arguments. Go figure.

929 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:28am

re: #923 Deek

*laugh* I have no idea. Just trying to stick with the facts, and make the point that there is no proof either way. Until there is is proof, this debate will drag on, and on, and on...

The nirthers have about as much grounds to claim a controversy to debate as do the Genesis Literalists who maintain that God created the Universe, the Earth, and all the millions of species both existent and extinct in the span of six days a few thousand years ago. All the evidence is against them, and none of it is for them. Which is why they dismiss or ignore it all. Logic, facts and evidence mean nothing to them; they so badly want to believe it that they have installed memetic filters. Both Hawaiian newspapers announced his birth back in 1961? Don't even address it. A certificate of live birth is presented? Challenge and question it. His mother was a US citizen, and that qualifies him as much as it does McCain, who was born outside US territory in the Panama Canal Zone? Studiously ignore it.

Teach the Controversy! *drink!*

930 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:40am

re: #922 picaro

The reasonable explanation for not releasing a birth certificate at this point is so Obama can lump critics on other issues with the kook fringe.

Could be. If the BC comes out, and indicates he was born in HI, he will make political hay out of this.

931 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:13:00am

re: #928 Deek

It was produced.

932 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:14:05am

re: #927 picaro

Actually I wasn't kidding. A saw a link back in the end of October that actually stated that. Compared facial structure and everything.

933 picaro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:38am

re: #930 Deek

For Obama, it is a win-win.

What really concerns me is that after a nominally Republican administration has been going full speed ahead toward socialism the past few months, Obama can push a radical agenda and still seem somewhat moderate in comparison.

934 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:48am

re: #932 BlueCanuck

That was pamela, she's also featured at factcheck for this:

Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

Way to go, pam!

935 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:18:31am

re: #929 Salamantis

The nirthers have about as much grounds to claim a controversy to debate as do the Genesis Literalists who maintain that God created the Universe, the Earth, and all the millions of species both existent and extinct in the span of six days a few thousand years ago. All the evidence is against them, and none of it is for them. Which is why they dismiss or ignore it all.

*laugh* well, at least evolution is taught as a theory ;-)

To the point about facts, IMO there are precious few on either side of this debate. Some percentage of the nirthers will "give" when/if the BC comes out with proof of HI birth. The nuts will continue on. It is interesting to watch.

936 picaro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:19:03am

re: #932 BlueCanuck

Which if true would only suggest that they came from the same tribe/clan. They are grasping at meaningless straws at this point.

937 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:20:55am

re: #931 Sharmuta

Once again, facts here: That is a COLB, not a BC. In HI you can get a COLB indicating HI birth without actually being born in HI. Not trying to fan the flames, but truth/facts do mater.

938 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:23:12am

re: #935 Deek

*laugh* well, at least evolution is taught as a theory ;-)

To the point about facts, IMO there are precious few on either side of this debate. Some percentage of the nirthers will "give" when/if the BC comes out with proof of HI birth. The nuts will continue on. It is interesting to watch.

All the facts - certificate of live birth, 47 year old birth announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers, US citizen mother - are one one side. The other side has diddly squat except for dark X-File conspiriacy theories and tendentious whingeing. They'd make Doubting Thomas appear overly credulous.

939 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:24:41am

re: #933 picaro

What really concerns me is that after a nominally Republican administration has been going full speed ahead toward socialism the past few months, Obama can push a radical agenda and still seem somewhat moderate in comparison.

I agree. Frankly, even if the doc comes out and says he was born in Kenya, the political battle would further hurt Republicans. It is a no-win...

940 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:35am

re: #937 Deek

Once again, facts here: That is a COLB, not a BC. In HI you can get a COLB indicating HI birth without actually being born in HI. Not trying to fan the flames, but truth/facts do mater.

Link please, because I'm fairly certain another Lizard debunked that.

941 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:47am

re: #938 Salamantis

All the facts - certificate of live birth, 47 year old birth announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers, US citizen mother - are one one side. The other side has diddly squat except for dark X-File conspiriacy theories and tendentious whingeing. They'd make Doubting Thomas appear overly credulous.

I am sensing that this is going no where. You are right that these are the facts on side of "HI birth". I will let others provide their facts if they choose.

I would only make one last point: All of those facts will not get you State citizenship in HI (as noted above), the State require greater proof in order to get "native born" status. Really not much proof either way, and as noted elsewhere, that my be intentional.

942 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:32:36am

re: #940 Sharmuta

Link please, because I'm fairly certain another Lizard debunked that.

No links allowed by threat of ban, but it is easily googled.

943 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:25am

re: #937 Deek

Furthermore, I have in front of me the certified copy, from the government, of my BC- it says it's a "Certificate of Live Birth".

Additionally- it's been repeated here a couple of time there is some sort of significant difference between a BC and COLB. Wiki says most BCs in America are called COLB, so someone please enlighten all of us as to the technical, legal difference.

944 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:34:02am

re: #942 Deek

No links allowed by threat of ban, but it is easily googled.

I see. So, in other words, it's bullshit.

945 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:41:12am

re: #943 Sharmuta

Furthermore, I have in front of me the certified copy, from the government, of my BC- it says it's a "Certificate of Live Birth".

Additionally- it's been repeated here a couple of time there is some sort of significant difference between a BC and COLB. Wiki says most BCs in America are called COLB, so someone please enlighten all of us as to the technical, legal difference.

BC rules/laws vary by State. Some states (including HI) will issue COLB or "short form" BC docs. The "short form" lacks detail (and backup) of the long form. The nirthers argue there are loopholes that someone can use to get a BC without being native or natural born. I have no idea how complex those loop holes are, but that is the argument.

946 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:42:55am

re: #944 Sharmuta

re: #944 Sharmuta

I see. So, in other words, it's bullshit.

Not so much, but the clarity of your argument and thinking as persuaded me. Good night.

947 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:44:53am

re: #945 Deek

Bullshit! I have both a long and short form for myself and both are called COLB.

You're also full of shit to come in here saying "both sides are lacking" but you've done nothing but behave like a Nirther since entering this conversation. It's a similar tactic we've seen with IDers. I don't buy what you're selling.

948 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:29am

re: #947 Sharmuta

Pretentious and precious isn't it?

949 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:54am

re: #941 Deek

I am sensing that this is going no where. You are right that these are the facts on side of "HI birth". I will let others provide their facts if they choose.

I would only make one last point: All of those facts will not get you State citizenship in HI (as noted above), the State require greater proof in order to get "native born" status. Really not much proof either way, and as noted elsewhere, that my be intentional.

Obama's Certificate of Birth OK, State Says
Health director issues voucher in response to 'ridiculous' barrage
By Dan Nakaso
[Link: www.honoluluadvertiser.com...]

950 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:46:14am

re: #948 BlueCanuck

Unfrickingbelievable!

951 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:48:18am
952 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:50:24am

re: #946 Deek

Must be why you dinged me down in #909. What's the matter, Deek? Don't like thinking about the answers to difficult questions when it's clear you're clinging to BS?

953 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:51:19am

Yo Deek, I see you out there. The light of truth is shining on you. No bugger off and troll somewhere else.

954 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:51:45am

re: #953 BlueCanuck

Yo Deek, I see you out there. The light of truth is shining on you. No bugger off and troll somewhere else.

pamela's might be a better fit for Deek.

955 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:52:26am

re: #954 Sharmuta

Probably. That is Pamela of Atlas right?

956 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:00am

re: #955 BlueCanuck

Yes. Queen of the kooks.

957 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:04am

Dumb + geek = Deek...;~)

958 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:27am

re: #957 Salamantis

LOL, good call.

959 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:55:28am

Kween of the kooks?

960 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:57:12am

Next, Obama will send his nirth certifikit on a US tour, so all the nirthers can disbelieve it in person...;~)

961 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:00:18am

"Hey; I didn't get to touch it! There could be anything under that glass!"

962 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:00:25am

re: #960 Salamantis

Won't work. Half, if not most, will still declare it a fake. And all of them will come up with different reasons why it is a fake. There's no pleasing some people.

/I think they are actually happy with there tinfoil helmets

963 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:01:46am

re: #947 Sharmuta

Bullshit! I have both a long and short form for myself and both are called COLB.

I checked, and you are right about Hawaii...both the long and short are called COLB in HI. The one on the factcheck is the short version. Thanks for providing such compelling and insightful discussion.

964 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:05:20am

re: #963 Deek

You generally get the short form when you go to get a certified copy.

965 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:07:32am

And you generally get on the short bus when you claim that a COLB isn't the same as a BC...;~)

966 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:17:33am

re: #964 Sharmuta

You generally get the short form when you go to get a certified copy.

No idea how that works, but you can clearly get both in HI, as the internet is covered with people that have posted both.

967 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:21:51am

re: #966 Deek

Yes- and I managed to get a copy of my long form as well- by specifically asking for it. If you don't know what it is you're talking about, then how is it you can assert who has facts and who doesn't? Try doing a little more research on this and do avoid kook sites like atlas and world nut daily, huh?

968 Deek  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:44:57am

re: #967 Sharmuta

Yes- and I managed to get a copy of my long form as well- by specifically asking for it. If you don't know what it is you're talking about, then how is it you can assert who has facts and who doesn't? Try doing a little more research on this and do avoid kook sites like atlas and world nut daily, huh?

Yea, I don't know what I was thinking. The overwhelming argument against my point that the public has not seen the "long-form BC", is pretty daunting. I have learned my lesson and will not let it happen again.

969 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:49:27am

re: #968 Deek

You could call or visit your own county seat and see what the people at your own vital statistics office have to say. Unless short form COLBs are not valid proof of citizenship, then the issue is closed.

970 Irish Rose  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:26:07am

The internet brings out the best, and the worst in people.

I never cease to be amazed at people who will register on a privately owned website like this one, then ignore the rules and challenge the site owner at every turn because they

a. have a problem with authority,
b. they have a superior sense of entitlement and feel that they're above having to comply with the same set of rules that everyone else complies with
c. are narcissistic enough to think that they are so intelligent that everyone will bow to their brilliance

The LGF hater sites are full of people like this, who are angry at Charles for one reason or another and have no problem at all putting their psychosis on public display. They're in love with themselves, love the adrenaline rush of starting a fight and crave the attention that they get from other miscreants for reporting the dirty details elsewhere.

Every time we have an open registration we get more of 'em... obsessed, psychotic asshats who register or re-register just so that they can get a foot in the door and fight with the administrator.

I respect Charles for his diligent moderation of this website. I respect him even more for putting his foot down on discussion of certain topics and doing exactly what he says he's going to do with the obsessed crazies who persist.

It's a rare thing these days to find an administrator of a large site like this one who takes the time to do it right, and LGF is one of the best anti-jihad sites on the internet because of it.

Thank you, Charles.

971 Hhar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:11:52am

I bet there is already someone at LGF2, or one of those crazy sites saying "All I did was post links showing how Obama wasn't an American! And I got BANNED! CENSORSHIP! RACIST! ISLAMOFAScist...er... wel... uh... never mind. I WUZ ROBBED!

972 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:01:05am

Nirthers aren't troofers? Coulda fooled me.

Strange bedfellows, there.

973 Yashmak  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:20:57am

re: #865 Daisy

Speaking of cowards, why didn't either one of you heroes write to me directly?

I was too busy saving the world. That's what we heroes do.

974 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:22:58am
975 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:27:11am

First, I completely agree with Charles and his stance on this issue.

Second, Mr. Obama could clear this up in one fell swoop by releasing his birth certificate.

Third. I have a TS clearance. In order to get this I had to open up my private life to a ridiculous amount of scrutiny to include copies of my birth certificate, marriage license etc. I also had to prove I was a US citizen. I'm not saying that we should harp on this birth certificate thing at all, what I am saying is don't you think the CIC should comply to the same standard as this officer in the military? It's a double standard and one that is easily dismantled.

I've said my piece.

976 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:32:11am
977 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:44:14am

re: #974 Ron Shaw

Your own blog. That's where you get to decide what is interesting and what is not.

978 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:19:52am

re: #942 Deek

No links allowed by threat of ban, but it is easily googled.

Not just a threat.

979 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:22:40am

re: #905 Sprite

Now I'm done with the name calling ("you sound like a fool") and the holier than thou attitude of some posters here.

Yes, you are done.

980 LGoPs  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:52:13am

re: #897 FreckleFaceFourEyes

He turned me into a newt!

I got better...

981 The Optimist  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:59:32am

The birth certificate the flew into the pentagon on 9/11 was created by George Bush in order to give credence to the hatred of the muslin tear or wrists. It never really happened.

982 Ron Shaw  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:32:13am

re: #977 Slumbering Behemoth

Your own blog. That's where you get to decide what is interesting and what is not.


No thanks! I could not deal with idiots in need of some deleting such as myself...danged, tough crowd. :-)

983 dave aaa  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:15:07am

re: #893 Once and Future Angeleno

What I have not seen in the birth certificate discussion is a full analysis of the state laws of Hawaii regarding birth certificates, what an official form looks like, what a certification looks like, whether it goes on the front or the back of the cert, what is held in the vault and how it may differ in form from a COBL, etc. I have also not seen a full analysis of the laws of Hawaii and the US in effect at the time of Obama's birth regarding citizenship

Then you haven't been paying much attention or doing much research. It's all there in teh intrewebz.

Both long and short forms are called "Certificate of Live Birth". The short form has place of birth and parents' names. The long form includes those plus some other information that's not relevant to whether Obama is a natural born citizen.

Image: 2BObirth.jpg

Hawaiian law, also available on the net, requires the true place of birth on the certificate. If he were born in Kenya, it would state that as place of birth not the County of Honolulu on the Island of Oahu.

[Link: www.capitol.hawaii.gov...]

As he was born in the United States, discussion of laws relating to overseas births to American citizens are moot.

984 once and future angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:02:31am

re: #979 Charles

If this means you have banned Sprite, I'm sorry to hear that. He/she has been, imho, more respectful and factual in his/her comments than Sharmuta & Co. Derision is a weapon used by those without facts or reason on their side.

I can understand why you don't want Truthers clogging up your site, but when polite questioners are lumped in with Truthers and then dumped, and others who have name-calling as their main contribution are allowed to stay and upding each other, I'm sad and dismayed. I've always enjoyed this site and am puzzled at where things have gone.

It is only for the benefit of our country -- all of us -- that these issues should be aired and discussed. If you have decided that discussion is at an end, so be it, but the tone Sharmuta and friends have descended to is not worthy of LGF's tradition -- again imho.

Thank you.

985 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:18:01am

re: #984 once and future angeleno

I've learned (the hard way) that when someone says "I'm done with you," it's best to immediately block their account before they have a chance to melt down any further.

As for this discussion, the "debate" has been over for months. The birth certificate issue is a loony conspiracy theory, pure and simple, and I'm completely out of patience with those who continue to promote it despite all the evidence.

986 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:39:39am

After a polite and thoughtful email from Sprite, I'm unblocking her account.

987 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:32:39pm

re: #984 once and future angeleno

Right- me and my dinger are the problem. That's very original.

Other than the COLB not being good enough proof by your standards, you have nothing with which to base your complaint. The facts have been presented- you have not refuted any of them, nor has anyone else. Yet those of us who have present the facts are ignored or whined about because we're making it difficult for you to cling to this wild eyed notion. I do not think it's unreasonable to ask for something substantial from those supporting the conspiracy- like some actual facts beyond "I don't think it's good enough".

As for Sprite- I'm glad Charles has unblocked her. She's always been kind to me. While I think she's completely off base on this issue, she's otherwise been polite and reasonable in the Lounge and on other threads.

One more thing- it's hypocritical of you to state, "derision is a weapon used by those without facts or reason on their side" when facts and reason were presented by me and others, and to then turn around and disregard these facts but instead try to make the issue me and my peers and our use of the ratings system. I believe deflection is a weapon used by those without facts or reason on their side.

988 Sprite  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:37:20pm

Again, many thanks CJ! Proud to remain a Lizard.. And thanks to those of you who updinged Charle's decision to reinstate my account. That is also a testament to your sense of fairness and (our) mutual respect.

989 baldrick1964  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:34:06pm

re: #129 Yashmak

Of course, following any sort of nirth certifikit nonsense to its inevitable conclusion will probably involve ignoring OTHER parts of the Constitution, disenfranchise tens of millions of voters, and basically turn our representative democratic system into a farce. . .but that doesn't seem to bother you.

The disenfranchisement argument is pretty weak. Either someone meets the minimum qualifications for the office or they don't.

990 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:50:08pm

re: #989 baldrick1964

The disenfranchisement argument is pretty weak. Either someone meets the minimum qualifications for the office or they don't.

And Barak Obama meets them. He is old enough to be elected to the office, and he is a natural born US citizen.

991 baldrick1964  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:21:38pm

re: #990 Salamantis

And Barak Obama meets them. He is old enough to be elected to the office, and he is a natural born US citizen.

No argument here. I'm just saying that were he deemed constitutionally unqualified after the fact, no one would really be disenfranchised if he weren't allowed to take office.

992 fish-man  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:26:41pm

re: #478 Walter L. Newton

Dude, go read the definition of 'troll'.

993 fish-man  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:44:11pm

re: #985 Charles

I think that the evidence speaks for itself, and what it says is that there is still a lot to be learned on this issue.

The argument has been made that even if this turns out to provide a significant challenge to our president-elect's status it will harm the country more than it is worth. I respectfully disagree. Obama's candidacy with its media bias, his frightening affiliations, and his foreign and anonymous donations was scary enough. Now his status as being an eligable candidate is in question, and our normal outlets on the right (LGF, Hot Air, etc...) are not willing to consider things that our Supreme Court IS willing to take to the full court to contemplate reviewing.

Obama should release his 'vault' certificate, and let the courts and America decide if there is anything significant here, and end the debate, one way or another.

994 Lee Coller  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:21:59pm

re: #993 fish-man

I think that the evidence speaks for itself, and what it says is that there is still a lot to be learned on this issue.

The evidence does speak for itself, loud and clear. Obama is a US citizen born in Hawaii on Aug 4, 1961.

We have his certificate of live birth. A statement from Hawaiian officials that they have his original certificate. We have two Honolulu newspapers from then that have Birth Announcements.

Or are you arguing someone used their time machine to go back and place those announcements, or perhaps the plot extends all the way to Obama's birth?

995 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:56:38pm

re: #993 fish-man

Now his status as being an eligable candidate is in question, and our normal outlets on the right (LGF, Hot Air, etc...) are not willing to consider things that our Supreme Court IS willing to take to the full court to contemplate reviewing.

The SCOTUS rejected the case.

996 once and future angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:14:07pm

Let's walk through this: re: #987 Sharmuta

You say:..."Other than the COLB not being good enough proof by your standards, you have nothing with which to base your complaint." The question is whether the COLB is a complete and accurate representation of the official, original document.

You say: "The facts have been presented- you have not refuted any of them, nor has anyone else." Assertions have been made. Assertions do not equal facts.

You say: "Yet those of us who have present the facts are ignored or whined about because we're making it difficult for you to cling to this wild eyed notion." I have not ignored you or whined about you. You have been rather impolite in your turn, employing juvenile name-calling in place of thoughtful response.

You say: "I do not think it's unreasonable to ask for something substantial from those supporting the conspiracy- like some actual facts beyond 'I don't think it's good enough'..." I do not think it unreasonable to ask for original documentation. I do not allege a conspiracy. I have explained why additional material and information is desirable. I have stated that even governmental officials make errors, intended or accidental.

You say: "One more thing- it's hypocritical of you to state, 'derision is a weapon used by those without facts or reason on their side' when facts and reason were presented by me and others, and to then turn around and disregard these facts but instead try to make the issue me and my peers and our use of the ratings system." I am hypocritical? I have not used derision; you have. You have made assertions; assertions are not facts. Facts require proof. Application of the law to the facts provides conclusions.

If you took a Martian with a basic knowledge of English into a McDonalds and gave him a hamburger, he would be justified in thinking that it was made of ground pig haunch (ham), when if the Martian had an understanding of German, geography, immigration, farming, and US dietary traditions, he might know that the hamburger is beef. You, Sharmuta, are the Martian. You don't know whether the COLB is accurate or sufficient under law, what the long form certificate says, what Hawaii laws were in 1961 regarding the collection, verification, recordation and safekeeping of this information, how the newspaper birth announcements were collected or verified (some babies are born at home, some in maternity clinics -- who reports those, and how reliable are those publications?), whether he was adopted by Mr Soetoro, what the effect of any such adoption was given Obama's age at the time, whether he took any action if necessary to void any such attempted adoption, whether he effectively renounced his US citizenship, what the laws were in the US and Indonesia at the time regarding dual citizenship (the laws change over time -- it used to be, I understand, that the US did not recognize dual citizenship). In summary: what laws apply? what are the facts as to who was where at the time of Obama's birth? what do the original documents say? is or was there a requirement for an American mother to reside in Hawaii for x years to be able to pass along citizenship to her child? what happened in Indonesia? what further actions has Obama taken in his life regarding his citizenship? has he held a passport from another country or in another name? if so, to what effect?

These are all questions which can largely be answered but have not been in a concise fashion. If you think it would be too disruptive to the country to answer these questions, you are entitled to your opinion. But that does not turn your assertions into facts. It is not my obligation to prove that Obama is not a US citizen. It is his obligation to prove that he is eligible under the Constitution to serve as President.

Charles, thank you for your forbearance through all this. This is my last posting on this topic.

Have at it, Sharmuta; enjoy your hamburger.

997 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:15:32pm

re: #993 fish-man

The debate is over. All you achieve by insisting on this garbage is to make yourself look like a fool.

998 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:17:15pm

re: #996 once and future angeleno

...how the newspaper birth announcements were collected or verified (some babies are born at home, some in maternity clinics -- who reports those, and how reliable are those publications?)...

Are you seriously suggesting that there was some kind of conspiracy in place in 1961? Are you insane?

999 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:21:33pm

By the way, it doesn't make me look like a fool, because I've made it extremely clear where I stand on this.

But it's completely embarrassing to see so many so-called "conservatives" acting just like 9/11 Troofers. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

1000 Clubsec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:36:04pm

Charles,
I believe the BHO certificate kerfluffle is likely a 'red herring' ... that is a 'false trail'. And I suspect the BHOers are playing dumb or rope-a-dope about the 'habius corpus' aspect.
For instance, some many years ago (work related) I needed to acquire a passport. At the time I had no birth certificate in my possession so I just wrote a letter to the state (DE) in which I was born and after some correspondence and a fee of $20, I received in the mail two copies of the original certificate of live birth. (Tiny foot prints and all) ... Viola! So this issue with the Messiah's BC is a draining distraction (just like as the Obamatrons wish it to be).
A bit on topic ... My Dad (YOB 1910 & deceased in '02) said his was the last generation that, "Was born in my Mothers bed." In those days the birth certificate was issued by the local govenment folks (mayor, Doctor, etc.) and the document was witnessed by those present at the birth.

1001 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:43:44pm

re: #998 Charles

Are you seriously suggesting that there was some kind of conspiracy in place in 1961? Are you insane?

The answer to the first question being apparently yes, I'm guessing that the second question was just rhetorical...;~)

1002 once and future angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:45:14pm

re: #998 Charles

Are you seriously suggesting that there was some kind of conspiracy in place in 1961? Are you insane?

Sigh. No, I'm not insane, and feel compelled to respond. Relying on self-reported birth information printed in a newspaper that is not concerned about being a verifiable record of events is not much proof. It is not a legal document and was never intended as such. It is anecdotal evidence at best. Interesting, not probative. A number of people have cited to these newspaper birth announcements as conclusive evidence. They are not, but if someone wishes to rely on them as [weak] proof, then the reliability of the information must also be weighed. Hence my remark. Re Clubsec: my comment about home births relates to the fact that it was and is possible to be born other than in one of today's regimented hospitals (today with the home birth movement, it's still possible, and a free-spirited Stanley Ann Dunham may have had her baby at home in 1961). All this goes to weighing the probative value of the newspaper announcement as *evidence.* That is worlds away from alleging a conspiracy, which I have not ever done.

As I understand vaguely, Obama's parents may not have been married (either officially or otherwise) at the time of his birth, and/or his father may have had another marriage still effect at the time of Obama's birth. The wording of the newspaper announcement that "Mr and Mrs" Obama Senior were now parents is rather charming, and perhaps there was some effort to conceal other non-accordant facts; the Midwestern grandparents may not have been so keen on the modern way their daughter was following. I could see the grandparents putting a good face on the situation; in 1961, things were pretty old fashioned in that regard and a slightly misleading newspaper announcement might not be unexpected. Therefore the newspaper announcement may not carry much probative value as to date, location, parties or marital status, all of which could/would affect the citizenship question.

I've never thought LGF was hide-bound, but instead free-wheeling. Looks like maybe I was wrong. Once you've got your preferred conclusion, discussion can be really really annoying, can't it.

1003 bitterclinger_in_PA  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:45:17pm

There are so many people here who deny God and His Word. I feel sorry for you all who deny the Truth.

1004 once and future angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:14:45pm

re: #995 Sharmuta

The SCOTUS rejected the case.

Sharmuta, the Supreme Court rejected the case not on its merits (that is, whether Obama is a natural born US citizen). The Court refused to grant a stay of a federal court action after the plaintiff's case had been dismissed at the lower court level *for lack of standing* -- meaning the plaintiff hasn't been personally harmed by whether or not Obama is a natural born US citizen.

So don't take that rejection by the Supreme Court as a confirmation that Obama is indeed a natural born US citizen.

The standing question is interesting, but that's NOT the same as the Supremes saying "Yes, he is [a citizen]."

1005 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:44:20pm

re: #1003 bitterclinger_in_PA

There are so many people here who deny God and His Word. I feel sorry for you all who deny the Truth.

Your mean-spirited, ugly comments are no longer welcome at my website.

1006 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:46:06pm

re: #1002 once and future angeleno

That's pathetic. Go ahead -- continue believing in a conspiracy that reaches all the way back to 1961. You're going to be very lonely.

1007 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:49:02pm

re: #1003 bitterclinger_in_PA

There are so many people here who deny God and His Word. I feel sorry for you all who deny the Truth.

I feel sorry for zombic memebots whose entire bleak and abject existence is utterly circumscribed by their fanatically fervent and zealous need to proselytize.

1008 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:57:38pm

re: #1002 once and future angeleno

Can you provide us with a single logical, rational, coherent and cogent reason why Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 would publish local birth notices in the absence of actual local births? And if Obama's birth was some sort of exception to the rule, what situations or circumstances could have possibly rendered it so? And do you have the slightest credible indication or evidence that any such situations or circumstances might have feasibly applied?

1009 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:13:25pm

re: #996 once and future angeleno

Copies of COLB come in two forms, long and short. Both would have the vital information on them that was on the original document filed with the state, just that the long has all the information while the short is abbreviated to the pertinent information only. I have my own COLB in both formats. Both are from the government and both are accepted as proof of citizenship. The short form was what I was handed by the county of my birth. I had to specifically ask for the long form. If the short form is invalid as proof of citizenship, why would the government issue them? Kind of silly, don't you think?

1010 once and future angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:28:54pm

re: #1006 Charles

That's pathetic. Go ahead -- continue believing in a conspiracy that reaches all the way back to 1961. You're going to be very lonely.

Let me try this again: I have not said this is a conspiracy, only that the 'evidence' you and others are relying on should be examined carefully and methodically and weighed according to its likely reliability.

If you ditched school and showed up with an excuse note supposedly from your mother, do you think a note scrawled in crayon on a Burger King bag or a note in a fine hand on mom's letterhead would be more likely to pass muster with the teacher?

That's the point. Evaluating the evidence for its likely accuracy and authenticity. What seems missing to me in all this is a methodical evaluation of all the evidence existing, read against applicable law, to determine status as a natural born citizen.

If someone has done this elsewhere, I'd enjoy reading it. Do post a link.

1011 once and future angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:29:43pm

re: #1009 Sharmuta

Copies of COLB come in two forms, long and short. Both would have the vital information on them that was on the original document filed with the state, just that the long has all the information while the short is abbreviated to the pertinent information only. I have my own COLB in both formats. Both are from the government and both are accepted as proof of citizenship. The short form was what I was handed by the county of my birth. I had to specifically ask for the long form. If the short form is invalid as proof of citizenship, why would the government issue them? Kind of silly, don't you think?

Were you born in Hawaii in 1961 or thereabouts?

1012 Joan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:42:44pm

re: #907 Stonemason

The Two Towers

Thanks! (Orcses, precious--that's what they were.)

1013 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:52:45pm

re: #1010 once and future angeleno

Let me try this again: I have not said this is a conspiracy, only that the 'evidence' you and others are relying on should be examined carefully and methodically and weighed according to its likely reliability.

If you ditched school and showed up with an excuse note supposedly from your mother, do you think a note scrawled in crayon on a Burger King bag or a note in a fine hand on mom's letterhead would be more likely to pass muster with the teacher?

That's the point. Evaluating the evidence for its likely accuracy and authenticity. What seems missing to me in all this is a methodical evaluation of all the evidence existing, read against applicable law, to determine status as a natural born citizen.

If someone has done this elsewhere, I'd enjoy reading it. Do post a link.

For you to compare a signed and seal-embossed official certificate of live birth to a note scrawled in crayon on a Burger King bag is quantums beyond the rational pale. And as far as vouching for the document's genuineness and authenticity, and the fact that Obama is indeed a natural Hawaiian post-state-joining citizen (1961 vs. 1959), Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Hawaii's state Health Director, has issued a statement that she and the state Registrar of Vital Statistics have both personally inspected the document, and they officially certify it as being valid.

[Link: www.honoluluadvertiser.com...]

You are grasping for fever dream phantom straws. You direly and desperately thirst to drink from the sweet and satisfying well of Obama being denied the US Presidency, but the oasis you are stumbling towards is a mirage, and you are mired in a sinking quicksand of counterfactual evidence.

1014 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:55:19pm

re: #1008 Salamantis

Can you provide us with a single logical, rational, coherent and cogent reason why Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 would publish local birth notices in the absence of actual local births? And if Obama's birth was some sort of exception to the rule, what situations or circumstances could have possibly rendered it so? And do you have the slightest credible indication or evidence that any such situations or circumstances might have feasibly applied?

Amazingly enough, he hasn't answered you! Funny how troothers always fail when asked to lay their theoretical cards on the table.

1015 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:13:20pm

re: #1014 Jimmah

Amazingly enough, he hasn't answered you! Funny how troothers always fail when asked to lay their theoretical cards on the table.

He hasn't answered anybody. Deflect, deflect deflect. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

1016 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:18:08pm

re: #1013 Salamantis

Very poetic.

Why not release the original -- or will it blind those uninitiated who dare to gaze upon it?

I'm sure these are honorable public servants, but wouldn't you feel a tad more secure in your *trust* if you have also had independent *verification*?

These respected public servants work in a heavily Democrat state that has just elected an alleged native son President. If the Registrar and the Health Director were to provide the paperwork that scotched Obama's election, do you think they would have a nice retirement on the sunny shores of Hawaii? It is a difficult situation for them, and I am not accusing them of anything, but an independent verification would be preferable. Take it out of the hands of those who would held responsible if it all blew up, so they wouldn't get blamed. People love to hang the messenger.

I asked a while back whether anyone remembered the shenanigans in state government over trolling through Joe the Plumber's confidential tax and legal records in Ohio, in which partisan state employees acted improperly and have been disciplined. Nobody responded.

Hawaii is a real small town in many ways (total state population about the same as Dallas TX) where everyone knows everyone else (and you can't just move a couple hundred miles to the equivalent of Austin or Houston if you wear out your welcome in Honolulu), and I wouldn't envy the officials if it's revealed that there's something not right with the documents and they have concealed it -- or that they now reveal it and blow having a Hawaiian in the White House. It's a lose/lose for the officials at this point. An apparent conflict of interest.

If you were in Obama's shoes, wouldn't you just release the thing?

1017 Lee Coller  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:20:09pm

re: #1014 Jimmah

Amazingly enough, he hasn't answered you! Funny how troothers always fail when asked to lay their theoretical cards on the table.

Haven't you ever heard of the ministry of truth? Seriously, I doubt anything could convince him/her. As I said earlier, crackpots are crackpots. If it turns out the certificate is real, that's just because someone planted it (or, hey, I got a new one, Obama stole someone else's identity -- I probably shouldn't give them any ideas). Or maybe it was a different kid with the same name (hey, that's why he won't authorize release of the long form, it has the info that would show that). They have this pipe dream that Obama doesn't meet the constitutional qualifications, and they'll eventually convince some judge and the election will be overturned and their favorite candidate will become president. They probably believe Elvis is still alive too.

I argued with friends over the conspiracies from the Clinton years (Vince Foster, Ron Brown) and never got anywhere. Crackpots to the right, crackpots to left. As Charles said earlier, its like talking to the wall.

Hopefully these people never serve on Juries.

1018 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:21:48pm

re: #1014 Jimmah

Amazingly enough, he hasn't answered you! Funny how troothers always fail when asked to lay their theoretical cards on the table.

You talking about me? Still here. See posting above.

1019 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:26:42pm

Sharmuta,

Still waiting for your response to my 1011.

1020 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:28:02pm

re: #1019 Once and Future Angeleno

Still waiting for your response on points raised by Charles, Salamantis, myself and others. By all means- you first.

1021 Basho  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:36:56pm

re: #1016 Once and Future Angeleno

...I wouldn't envy the officials if it's revealed that there's something not right with the documents and they have concealed it -- or that they now reveal it and blow having a Hawaiian in the White House. It's a lose/lose for the officials at this point. An apparent conflict of interest.

If you were in Obama's shoes, wouldn't you just release the thing?

His Certification of Live Birth says:

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

What that means is that if you don't have proof that it was forged, then that certification is enough evidence of where he was born, and Obama has the right to tell you to go screw yourself if it isn't enough for you to accept.

1022 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:41:26pm

re: #1020 Sharmuta

Still waiting for your response on points raised by Charles, Salamantis, myself and others. By all means- you first.

You mean this one? It's been answered above, but just so you see it here:
Your question:
"Can you provide us with a single logical, rational, coherent and cogent reason why Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 would publish local birth notices in the absence of actual local births? And if Obama's birth was some sort of exception to the rule, what situations or circumstances could have possibly rendered it so? And do you have the slightest credible indication or evidence that any such situations or circumstances might have feasibly applied?"

My response, which was in a reply to Charles:
"Relying on self-reported birth information printed in a newspaper that is not concerned about being a verifiable record of events is not much proof. It is not a legal document and was never intended as such. It is anecdotal evidence at best. Interesting, not probative. A number of people have cited to these newspaper birth announcements as conclusive evidence. They are not, but if someone wishes to rely on them as [weak] proof, then the reliability of the information must also be weighed. Hence my remark. Re Clubsec: my comment about home births relates to the fact that it was and is possible to be born other than in one of today's regimented hospitals (today with the home birth movement, it's still possible, and a free-spirited Stanley Ann Dunham may have had her baby at home in 1961). All this goes to weighing the probative value of the newspaper announcement as *evidence.* That is worlds away from alleging a conspiracy, which I have not ever done.

"As I understand vaguely, Obama's parents may not have been married (either officially or otherwise) at the time of his birth, and/or his father may have had another marriage still effect at the time of Obama's birth. The wording of the newspaper announcement that "Mr and Mrs" Obama Senior were now parents is rather charming, and perhaps there was some effort to conceal other non-accordant facts; the Midwestern grandparents may not have been so keen on the modern way their daughter was following. I could see the grandparents putting a good face on the situation; in 1961, things were pretty old fashioned in that regard and a slightly misleading newspaper announcement might not be unexpected. Therefore the newspaper announcement may not carry much probative value as to date, location, parties or marital status, all of which could/would affect the citizenship question."

I have not said or implied anywhere that the birth announcement was printed in the absence of an actual birth. Someone yesterday commented that their family had birth notices put in papers in various papers around the world because they had family in those places, even though the baby was born in, yes, ONE PLACE ONLY. I doubt that the Hawaii newspapers would have asked someone submitting a birth notice for evidence; therefore the probative nature of the birth notice is rather low. So family could have placed the notice in the Hawaii paper. Note I say 'could have'. I don't know, and you don't know, how it got there or whether it is accurate.

Quibbling over newspaper articles is ridiculous because they are anecdotal evidence and nothing more -- better evidence is in the 'vault' as a state document. Let's see it.

1023 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:43:29pm

re: #1021 Basho

His Certification of Live Birth says:

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

What that means is that if you don't have proof that it was forged, then that certification is enough evidence of where he was born, and Obama has the right to tell you to go screw yourself if it isn't enough for you to accept.

Best evidence is in the 'vault'. Why not let us see it?

Nice mouth, by the way.

1024 Basho  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:47:05pm

re: #1023 Once and Future Angeleno

Best evidence is in the 'vault'. Why not let us see it?

No, the best evidence is in the Certification of Live Birth...

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

The burden of proof is not on him.

1025 Basho  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:47:46pm

re: #1023 Once and Future Angeleno

Nice mouth, by the way.

I learn from my hero, Dick Cheney ;D

1026 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:48:33pm

re: #1022 Once and Future Angeleno

No- you've avoided countless questions and arguments based on logic and facts. I see no need to answer your question about my birth. It's not relevant to this discussion. It just provides you another cover to avoid the facts and reason numerous posters have presented.

1027 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:57:24pm

re: #1024 Basho

No, the best evidence is in the Certification of Live Birth...

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

The burden of proof is not on him.

Say whaaa? Of course the burden of proof is on him! You think it's on ME?

I used this example before: If I order a beer, the barkeeper does not have to prove I am underage in order to avoid serving me -- *I* have to prove to *him* that I *am* of drinking age. In this analogy, Obama is ordering the beer. I (and all of America) am the barkeeper. Obama has to prove it to *us* that he a natural born US citizen.

Want another one? Try coming in through US Customs and Immigration and telling the agent that s/he has to prove that you are a US citizen...and that if s/he doesn't prove that you're NOT a US citizen, then you get to come in anyway!

Okay, one more: Cop stops you for speeding. Cop is not responsible for telling you what your name and driver's license number is.

Concept clear?

1028 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:59:33pm

re: #1027 Once and Future Angeleno

LOL! And do you know how you prove you're of age to a bartender? With an ID. You know how you get an ID? Usually with a birth certificate. And yeah- they take short form BCs as proof of identity.

1029 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:02:52pm

re: #1026 Sharmuta

No- you've avoided countless questions and arguments based on logic and facts. I see no need to answer your question about my birth. It's not relevant to this discussion. It just provides you another cover to avoid the facts and reason numerous posters have presented.


The only reason I ask if you were born in Hawaii around 1961 is to know whether your statements about what the COLB contains would be similar or same to Obama's COLB. If you were not born in Hawaii circa 1961, then your own COLB is not probative [not PROOF or INDICATION] of what Obama's COLB shows or contains. This stuff is controlled by state law, not federal law, and every state law is different. Therefore your statements are irrelevant.

About who's got issues with logic and facts. I've responded substantively to everything you've brought up, but for some reason you have not.

1030 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:04:08pm

re: #1028 Sharmuta

LOL! And do you know how you prove you're of age to a bartender? With an ID. You know how you get an ID? Usually with a birth certificate. And yeah- they take short form BCs as proof of identity.

Ordering a beer and holding the nuke codes are not quite the same thing.

1031 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:04:53pm

re: #1025 Basho

I learn from my hero, Dick Cheney ;D


Nice to know you respect the man and emulate him.

1032 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:09:42pm

re: #1029 Once and Future Angeleno

States can have different forms, however, they're fairly standardized. To think that Hawaii's COLB forms would be radically different than the form used by the state of my birth is desperate on your part.

And it's a lie to say you've answered every point I've raised. No one has responded to my argument concerning Mrs. Clinton.

1033 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:10:23pm

re: #1030 Once and Future Angeleno

Ordering a beer and holding the nuke codes are not quite the same thing.

Sorry, but it was YOUR analogy, not mine.

1034 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:13:40pm

So ... been waiting a while to hear why Zombie got strokes for delving
into Obama's lost years at Columbia, and all you do is dump all over me for wanting to see the man's birth certificate.

Waiting ...

1035 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:17:29pm

re: #1032 Sharmuta

States can have different forms, however, they're fairly standardized. To think that Hawaii's COLB forms would be radically different than the form used by the state of my birth is desperate on your part.

And it's a lie to say you've answered every point I've raised. No one has responded to my argument concerning Mrs. Clinton.

So you have conducted a 50-state survey of forms of certificates of live birth of the same vintage as the COLB Obama has presented? Let's say you probably haven't done that, so your statement is unfortunately meaningless.

So I'm a liar, eh? You're big on name calling, aren't you. Sounds like 4th grade on the playground.

What is it you want with regard to Hillary? Happy to respond.

1036 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:18:23pm

re: #1033 Sharmuta

Sorry, but it was YOUR analogy, not mine.


Trying to make it simple for you.

1037 Basho  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:20:08pm

re: #1027 Once and Future Angeleno

Say whaaa? Of course the burden of proof is on him! You think it's on ME?

...

Concept clear?

I will keep repeating this until it gets through to you:

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

That is ALL of the evidence required by Obama to provide.

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

There. I emphasized the important part.
You need to accept that evidence at face value. Unless you can prove it is a forgery then you have no case.

1038 Once and Future Angeleno  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:31:43pm

re: #1037 Basho

I will keep repeating this until it gets through to you:

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

That is ALL of the evidence required by Obama to provide.

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

There. I emphasized the important part.
You need to accept that evidence at face value. Unless you can prove it is a forgery then you have no case.

And who holds the original that would refute the prima facie evidence? OBAMA! He is willfully concealing documents directly affecting his qualifications to serve as President. Why would you want him to do that? What reason could he possibly have to conceal the original, a reason more important than his duty to the country?

If he is a natural born citizen, then no reason not to show the original.

If he is not a natural born citizen, he has unclean hands and should not be permitted to conceal that fact.

His concealment of the document is very troubling. How do you justify it?

1039 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:37:13pm

re: #1038 Once and Future Angeleno

And who holds the original that would refute the prima facie evidence? OBAMA!

Wrong- that would be the county or state that holds the original. No one has their original BC or COLB. We are given certified copies. The state retains the original.

1040 Basho  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:43:59pm

re: #1038 Once and Future Angeleno

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Look, you take a look at the Certification of Live Birth, if it looks genuine on first appearance then that is all that is needed for the courts to conclude the fact of his birth. The refutation lies in proving that the Certification is a forgery. Period.

Gah, it's getting late and my grammar is suffering.

1041 Sprite  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:47:52pm

re: #1037 Basho

Are you familiar with the 'best evidence rule', Basho?

Of course I've been lurking...heh, and have truly enjoyed the debate! I must say you've done a yeoman's job of educating the Lizards with respect to the law of evidence via analogies and otherwise, OAFA. 'Probative' value of evidence...'anecdotal' evidence...and etc.

I don't think it's possible to fully explain (on a comment thread) the legal bases for questions at this point, OAFA, although you've done a great job of trying. And Sharmuta, you should have been a lawyer - you'd make a good one based on your brain and tenacity.

If I might act as an ambassador for the thread, I'd suggest everyone reread all comments (one can learn a lot here) and then have a good sleep.

As for Hillary, Sharmuta, she doesn't have access to all the evidence.

G'night all!

1042 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:48:45pm

re: #1016 Once and Future Angeleno

Very poetic.

Why not release the original -- or will it blind those uninitiated who dare to gaze upon it?

I'm sure these are honorable public servants, but wouldn't you feel a tad more secure in your *trust* if you have also had independent *verification*?

These respected public servants work in a heavily Democrat state that has just elected an alleged native son President. If the Registrar and the Health Director were to provide the paperwork that scotched Obama's election, do you think they would have a nice retirement on the sunny shores of Hawaii? It is a difficult situation for them, and I am not accusing them of anything, but an independent verification would be preferable. Take it out of the hands of those who would held responsible if it all blew up, so they wouldn't get blamed. People love to hang the messenger.

I asked a while back whether anyone remembered the shenanigans in state government over trolling through Joe the Plumber's confidential tax and legal records in Ohio, in which partisan state employees acted improperly and have been disciplined. Nobody responded.

Hawaii is a real small town in many ways (total state population about the same as Dallas TX) where everyone knows everyone else (and you can't just move a couple hundred miles to the equivalent of Austin or Houston if you wear out your welcome in Honolulu), and I wouldn't envy the officials if it's revealed that there's something not right with the documents and they have concealed it -- or that they now reveal it and blow having a Hawaiian in the White House. It's a lose/lose for the officials at this point. An apparent conflict of interest.

If you were in Obama's shoes, wouldn't you just release the thing?

Yeah, right, shure...that's the ticket...omerta...a statewide conspiracy of silence...and if you betray your political capos, you get fitted for a lead overcoat, and go sleep with the fishes...

Geez...

1043 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:50:05pm

re: #1041 Sprite

Thank you for the compliment, Sprite.

My point about Hillary was that if there was anything there for her to work with, I believe she would have moved heaven and earth to disqualify 0bama.

Have a good night.

1044 Basho  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:52:43pm

re: #1041 Sprite

I'm not sure what you mean, I'm not a lawyer or even interested in law. But that line from his Certification states pretty clearly that a judge will accept Obama's birth as legitimate just by taking a look at it. The judge will read that line, see the state's seal, and say there is no reason for Obama to provide further evidence.

1045 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:56:21pm

re: #1022 Once and Future Angeleno

You mean this one? It's been answered above, but just so you see it here:
Your question:
"Can you provide us with a single logical, rational, coherent and cogent reason why Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 would publish local birth notices in the absence of actual local births? And if Obama's birth was some sort of exception to the rule, what situations or circumstances could have possibly rendered it so? And do you have the slightest credible indication or evidence that any such situations or circumstances might have feasibly applied?"

My response, which was in a reply to Charles:
"Relying on self-reported birth information printed in a newspaper that is not concerned about being a verifiable record of events is not much proof. It is not a legal document and was never intended as such. It is anecdotal evidence at best. Interesting, not probative. A number of people have cited to these newspaper birth announcements as conclusive evidence. They are not, but if someone wishes to rely on them as [weak] proof, then the reliability of the information must also be weighed. Hence my remark. Re Clubsec: my comment about home births relates to the fact that it was and is possible to be born other than in one of today's regimented hospitals (today with the home birth movement, it's still possible, and a free-spirited Stanley Ann Dunham may have had her baby at home in 1961). All this goes to weighing the probative value of the newspaper announcement as *evidence.* That is worlds away from alleging a conspiracy, which I have not ever done.

"As I understand vaguely, Obama's parents may not have been married (either officially or otherwise) at the time of his birth, and/or his father may have had another marriage still effect at the time of Obama's birth. The wording of the newspaper announcement that "Mr and Mrs" Obama Senior were now parents is rather charming, and perhaps there was some effort to conceal other non-accordant facts; the Midwestern grandparents may not have been so keen on the modern way their daughter was following. I could see the grandparents putting a good face on the situation; in 1961, things were pretty old fashioned in that regard and a slightly misleading newspaper announcement might not be unexpected. Therefore the newspaper announcement may not carry much probative value as to date, location, parties or marital status, all of which could/would affect the citizenship question."

I have not said or implied anywhere that the birth announcement was printed in the absence of an actual birth. Someone yesterday commented that their family had birth notices put in papers in various papers around the world because they had family in those places, even though the baby was born in, yes, ONE PLACE ONLY. I doubt that the Hawaii newspapers would have asked someone submitting a birth notice for evidence; therefore the probative nature of the birth notice is rather low. So family could have placed the notice in the Hawaii paper. Note I say 'could have'. I don't know, and you don't know, how it got there or whether it is accurate.

Quibbling over newspaper articles is ridiculous because they are anecdotal evidence and nothing more -- better evidence is in the 'vault' as a state document. Let's see it.

The Certificate of Live Birth specifies Honolulu as the place of birth. All you're saying is that even the 1961 birth certificate would not convince you, because if people can lie in 1961 newspaper birth announcements, they can lie on 1961 birth certificates.

Congratulations. You are now a faithful believer in a dogma, which you hold out as empirically unfalsifiable. Your convictions have ceased to be empirical and are now religious.

1046 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 9:59:22pm

re: #1027 Once and Future Angeleno

Say whaaa? Of course the burden of proof is on him! You think it's on ME?

I used this example before: If I order a beer, the barkeeper does not have to prove I am underage in order to avoid serving me -- *I* have to prove to *him* that I *am* of drinking age. In this analogy, Obama is ordering the beer. I (and all of America) am the barkeeper. Obama has to prove it to *us* that he a natural born US citizen.

Want another one? Try coming in through US Customs and Immigration and telling the agent that s/he has to prove that you are a US citizen...and that if s/he doesn't prove that you're NOT a US citizen, then you get to come in anyway!

Okay, one more: Cop stops you for speeding. Cop is not responsible for telling you what your name and driver's license number is.

Concept clear?

The COLB, and the Hawaiian officials' official certification as to its validity, amply and abundantly suffice. They'd get you that drink. They'd get you into the country. And they'll get Obama sworn in as President.

1047 Sprite  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:03:22pm

re: #1044 Basho

Before I go, Basho, a Judge would require an examination of the original, the 'vault' copy, and nothing less.

Sharm, thanks. My point was that Hillary couldn't hope to challenge these issues as she doesn't have access to all the evidence related to the BC and a host of other (potentially) relevant documents. Only a court of law or perhaps a Senate hearing would have the supeona power to require it.

Sleep tight, All.

1048 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:05:32pm

re: #1029 Once and Future Angeleno

The only reason I ask if you were born in Hawaii around 1961 is to know whether your statements about what the COLB contains would be similar or same to Obama's COLB. If you were not born in Hawaii circa 1961, then your own COLB is not probative [not PROOF or INDICATION] of what Obama's COLB shows or contains. This stuff is controlled by state law, not federal law, and every state law is different. Therefore your statements are irrelevant.

About who's got issues with logic and facts. I've responded substantively to everything you've brought up, but for some reason you have not.

The borders on Hawaiian COLBs have periodically changed over time. Obama's COLB sports the proper border for the time, has the correct embossed seal for the time, and is stamped with the signature of the relevant official in charge of certifying live births at the time.

1049 Basho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:28:43am

re: #1047 Sprite

Before I go, Basho, a Judge would require an examination of the original, the 'vault' copy, and nothing less.

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

1050 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 8:54:57am

re: #1049 Basho

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

Right. But it's obvious the Nirthers aren't listening to things like that, and don't care. It's classic conspiracy theorist behavior.

For example, look at "Once and Future Angeleno." He's actually arguing that the entire government of the state of Hawaii AND both Hawaii newspapers are in on the conspiracy -- and they started laying the groundwork in 1961, when Obama was born.

There's no way to convince people like that.

1051 Sprite  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:04:35pm

If any case such as Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz, scheduled for a conference decision as to whether the SCOTUS will hear it on December 12, 2008, is actually heard by the Supremes, Federal Rules of Evidence 1002 and 1003 will apply:

Rule 1002. Requirement of Original

To prove the content of a writing, recording, or photograph, the original writing, recording, or photograph is required, except as otherwise provided in these rules or by Act of Congress.

Rule 1002 is commonly known as the original document rule or best evidence rule. It states that an original document should be produced in court when its terms are material to the argument—when it is the "best evidence" available.

Rule 1003. Admissibility of Duplicates

A duplicate is admissible to the same extent as an original unless (1) a genuine question is raised as to the authenticity of the original or (2) in the circumstances it would be unfair to admit the duplicate in lieu of the original.


There is case law which requires that the full original is required if the duplicate copy contains less information than the original. I'd be willing to bet my lunch money that the original, long form certificate would be required if any case is actually heard on the merits. It will be interesting to see what transpires, as it takes four justices to decide to hear any such case.

It's become clear to me that some Lizards feel they're more knowledgeable about the law than some of us who have actually been trained in it. I don't plan to post any more on this topic. Am I curious about these issues? You bet. Does that make me a kook or a conspirator as a result? No.

1052 Basho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:42:49pm

Meh... I don't pretend to know about the law. I'm just pointing out that the COLB says that the courts have to accept it as proof of Barack's birth.

I mean, that's exactly what it says... In plain English... With a little Latin... In bold print... Right smack dab in the middle of the page...

1053 dave aaa  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:19:10pm

re: #1052 Basho

By Hawaii law, the short form is prima facie evidence. No Hawaii court should, then require the vault copy.

[Link: www.capitol.hawaii.gov...]
[Link: www.capitol.hawaii.gov...]

That prima facie status only applies to Hawaii courts. It may not for Federal courts, though I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

1054 once and future angeleno  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:21pm

re: #1050 Charles

Right. But it's obvious the Nirthers aren't listening to things like that, and don't care. It's classic conspiracy theorist behavior.

For example, look at "Once and Future Angeleno." He's actually arguing that the entire government of the state of Hawaii AND both Hawaii newspapers are in on the conspiracy -- and they started laying the groundwork in 1961, when Obama was born.

There's no way to convince people like that.

Charles, you continue to misrepresent my comments and my approach. It does not become you or enhance your position. My approach is: if there is a question about Obama's qualifications, then rather than the parties raging at each other, then collecting and analyzing all the data in view of applicable law is the appropriate method. I take no position on whether or not Obama is qualified *because the data collection and analysis has not been done.*

As for the future, I am with Sprite: "It's become clear to me that some Lizards feel they're more knowledgeable about the law than some of us who have actually been trained in it. I don't plan to post any more on this topic. Am I curious about these issues? You bet. Does that make me a kook or a conspirator as a result? No."

Sprite, I'm pleased to know you.

1055 Sprite  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:42pm

re: #1054 once and future angeleno

My nic is blue.

1056 Sprite  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 12:03:18am

re: #1054 once and future angeleno

One more thing:

I take no position on whether or not Obama is qualified *because the data collection and analysis has not been done.

Those of you who suggest that it *has* are nirthers in your own right, and Just Plain WRong.

1057 dave aaa  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 7:37:25am

re: #1054 once and future angeleno

I take no position on whether or not Obama is qualified *because the data collection and analysis has not been done..


Except that it has. He has physically presented a valid birth certificate which clearly shows his place and date of birth. That form is prima facie in Hawaii courts and acceptable to the United States government for the purpose of determining citizenship. In spite of claims to the contrary, there is no evidence that the State of Hawaii will change those except for witness protection program purposes.


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