Watching....

ot:

Seems the Palestinianites in Lebanon are killing each other again.

What if the Faith of God were required to EVOLVE over time, as society adapted to various requirements through the ages?

/Evolve... what a concept

re: #3 Karridine

What if the Faith of God were required to EVOLVE over time, as society adapted to various requirements through the ages?

/Evolve... what a concept

Isn't that how we got ''black liberation theology?

Well, it wasn't REQUIRED to evolve.....it morphed on its own for its own purposes.

Over an hour....I may fall asleep.

re: #2 WrathofG-d

Is that the record for OT?

The video starts and stops and stutters. How many people are watching it now?

WTF?

re: #2 WrathofG-d

ot:

Seems the Palestinianites in Lebanon are killing each other again.

Breaking News: Sky still blue.

totally off topic
just married off my last son

mazel tov.

re: #7 HelloDare

Is that the record for OT?

He does this in every creationism thread. Apparently he thinks I'm not noticing it.

I wish I could nominate Judge Jones for anti-idiotarian of the year, but Kitzmiller v. Dover was years ago. Any way we could have a lifetime achievement award?

When does he start talking about the birth certificate thingy?

re: #11 yochanan

Mazel tov and lots of nachas! Now get back there and celebrate!

re: #2 WrathofG-d

Go to your room. No internet.

re: #11 yochanan

totally off topic
just married off my last son

mazel tov.

May their children exact your revenge upon them.

/ I used to wonder what my Dad was laughing at when I told him my Wife was pregnant.

re: #11 yochanan

mazel tov!

While waiting for the starts and stops to even out:
Is Carolyn Kennedy (SENATOR Carolyn Kennedy) a princess from Camelot or a newly crowned queen?

I am going to go read, and hopefully get my husband off the computer. He is playing call of duty 4. You would think he gets enough of that in real life!

re: #8 MandyManners

The video starts and stops and stutters. How many people are watching it now?

_________________________________________
I'm downloading it for later viewing

re: #20 ArmyWife

I am going to go read, and hopefully get my husband off the computer. He is playing call of duty 4. You would think he gets enough of that in real life!

Gotta keep the blade sharp. *salute*

re: #19 mean Gene

While waiting for the starts and stops to even out:
Is Carolyn Kennedy (SENATOR Carolyn Kennedy) a princess from Camelot or a newly crowned queen?

She's Teddy's niece.

re: #22 NYCHardhat

Never thought of it that way! Night all, behave as best you are able!

We will see this repeat in Louisiana and Texas. Keep it up, "conservatives".

Very entertaining guy. I kinda figured he would be after looking through the language he chose to use in the decision of the case.

LOL- Body Heat.

This is the guy that Bill O'Reilly and Andrew Napolitano called a "fascist."

re: #28 Charles

I think O'Reilly is living a remake of A Face In the Crowd.

re: #19 mean Gene

Didn't John Adams warn about hereditary Aristocracy? Rhetorical question. Of course he did.

He was just getting to the O'Reilly part when it stuttered. I'll check it later.

re: #29 jaunte

I think O'Reilly is living a remake of A Face Feces In the Crowd.

re: #28 Charles

I believe it's Andrew Napolitano.

re: #23 HelloDare

She's Teddy's niece.

And that qualifies her annointing as Senator.
Or maybe that her dad was assassinated.
Or maybe to re-institute that whole ''Camelot'' feel.
This is going to be an Administration based more on feel than thought.

re: #35 Theologian

Nobody here has ever called a Christian stupid.. link to the post..
That statement is disgusting..

Who was 35?

Another creationist meltdown.

I don't know why but this vid is too hard to listen to.
Maybe it's my computer, maybe too many hits on it at once.
Whatever.
I'm quitting until later.

re: #7 HelloDare

Is that the record for OT?

I think it missed by 1

re: #35 Theologian

This is an execrable canard. Roman Catholics (more than a billion of them) and most Protestants accept evolutionary theory as valid, sound and solid science. Augustine and Aquinas considered Genesis to be metaphor rather than literal history long before Darwin was even born.

Okay. That's it. I'm done.

I have it all figured out. Well, sort of.

It's the global universal theory of everything - conspiracies included. I've pieced it all together.

God created the heavens and the earth in a defined period of time, intelligently designed of course, which set everything to come in motion, not out of freewill, but predestined to occur. FDR knew that Pearl Harbor would happen, but did nothing, because without which, JFK would never be on PT 109 and get injured, and end up being a war hero from MA who would win a Senate Seat and win the White House. It was indeed the mob and Scientologists who were in with the CIA to assassinate JFK so that LBJ could become President and set up a Nixon administration that was so crooked and yet so easily won reelection that Watergate wasn't even necessary, but that they had to have the Freemasons in place so that they would work with Liddy and the Plumbers to go and break into the DNC hq. At the same time, Hillary was busy working her way up the ladder and learned how to bury people and files so that no one would ask any questions, a trait that would become useful in Vincent Foster's case, all while plotting a nonreaction reaction to the first WTC bombing, which was planted to get everyone's attention off Waco. Similarly, Roswell was a convenient setting for the alien landings since no one lived nearby, which is why that's where Walt Disney is cryogenically stored - he's the one who really looks like an alien these days and really got Dr. Okun's hair in a tizzy.

Clinton didn't bother going after Osama because he was on CIA payroll. Fire doesn't melt steel, but the Bildbergers and Halliburton know a thing or two about explosives and mass hysteria, which is how they were able to take down the WTC and enslave the masses with the so-called Patriot Act, enabling the rise of the Bush fascist regime to invade and terrorize Iraq. Afghanistan was all about the oil pipelines and control of land routes, not destroying the Taliban, whose capabilities far exceeded everything in the US military that was not adapted to the harsh Afghan winters. And to replace Bush, Soros hand selected Barack Obama, a non-US citizen, to be the next President of the US to bring out world domination of the crypto-Marxists. McCain was in on the whole deal too, since he was brainwashed into running the most half-assed campaign of all time by picking Sarah Palin, and Andrew Sullivan was right - Trig was Bristol's kid, not Sarah's.

/the aforementioned is merely the tip of the iceberg of MOAC - the mother of all conspiracies, and I'm sure there's more there, but I have a real hard time keeping a straight face while typing out this crapola.

Theologian has joined the DoDo in the history books

re: #36 HoosierHoops

Nobody here has ever called a Christian stupid.. link to the post..
That statement is disgusting..

Crap charles i quoted a deleted comment..It was so out of line..
Bring down the wacking stick..I know it's not me..

It wasn't yet deleted when I answered it, but I should've figured it would be, and forfended.

Mea culpa.

He mentions Ann Coulter too. Heh.

frankly to me religion is a personal issue and I entend to keep it that way, if asked i might give an opinion or I might not BUT DO NOT DEBATE THE SUBJECT.

re: #41 Salamantis

This is an execrable canard. Roman Catholics (more than a billion of them) and most Protestants accept evolutionary theory as valid, sound and solid science. Augustine and Aquinas considered Genesis to be metaphor rather than literal history long before Darwin was even born.

well of course St Augustine of Hippo would know his evolution, any Saint for hippopotomai definitely isn't an idiot!

/ I know...

re: #43 Shug

Theologian has joined the DoDo in the history books

8 comments submiitted since 8/07

re: #49 yochanan

frankly to me religion is a personal issue and I entend to keep it that way, if asked i might give an opinion or I might not BUT DO NOT DEBATE THE SUBJECT.

Mega up-dingy.

In europe JEWS were often forced to debate religion with the results known before the debate was even held AND I FOR ONE RATHER ENJOY AMERICA'S FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

I know this is getting old, but everybody who believes in evolution, raise their hands.

Kind of OT- If ever there was a reason to believe in God these pictures are it:
Hubble Telescope's 10 most amazing pictures of the universe. Awesome!

re: #54 HelloDare

this is way down on my list of things to worry about.

re: #28 Charles

This is the guy that Bill O'Reilly and Andrew Napolitano called a "fascist."

One of Pres. Bush's judges?!

He also brings up the Schivo case. He and the Schivo judge required extra protection because of death threats from "conservatives". This thread gets a big upding from me. If you want to know where "conservatives" have gone wrong, it's pretty much all here.

re: #38 Charles

Another creationist meltdown.

Wow. Eight posts in 15 months?

The funny thing about hereditary aristocracies is that there really is a natural aristocracy, and it's got a big hereditary component. But making aristocracies formally hereditary ensures that the formal aristocracy diverges from the natural aristocracy, so that more and more, fools and mediocrities occupy the posts that would normally be held by members of the natural aristocracy.

Too much of that, and you have three branches of government: the ClintonBush, The KennedyGore, and the Judiciary.

But hey, BarneyFrankly, the senate already has its fools and mediocrities.

re: #55 Bobblehead

Kind of OT- If ever there was a reason to believe in God these pictures are it:
Hubble Telescope's 10 most amazing pictures of the universe. Awesome!

Agree with the awesomeness of the photos; respectfully don't agree with your prefix statement.

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

I always thought it was "another tequila sunrise."

Oh, please! Please! Please! You can do the song!

Conservatives really need to learn to respect the Constitution again.

re: #58 Killgore Trout

this case has nothing to do with the question of terry Shivo. Jewish medical ethics would have totally opposed what the court ordered to be done.

my ortho jewish doc said jewish law would have said 'feed her'

re: #63 Killgore Trout

The judge is suggesting amping up the government/civics curriculum.

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Conservatives really need to learn to respect the Constitution again.

Did you actually say that out loud?

re: #59 MandyManners

Wow. Eight posts in 15 months?

I got deleted also cause I quoted him and expressed disgust...
But Mandy..I'm still learning about being a good blogger..
It was reflex!
/hope today finds you well....

re: #2 WrathofG-d

ot:

Seems the Palestinianites in Lebanon are killing each other again.

Why in hell are they still refugees? In any other part of the world, they'd have been assimilated decades ago.

Other than the fact, of course, that none of the Islamic countries in the area want to put up with them.....

Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon are considered highly volatile and fertile breeding grounds for extremism.

The Lebanese army does not enter the camps, leaving responsibility for security to Palestinian factions.

re: #63 Killgore Trout

You can't say that!
/

re: #67 CynicalConservative

Did you actually say that out loud?

You mean that surprised you?

re: #73 taxfreekiller

not nice got a down ding from me also reported.

"Bereft of a good civics education...."

I couldn't agree more!

re: #72 ornery elephant

You mean that surprised you?

Well, actually, not really. Just had to express myself...

Nice to see ya OE!

re: #65 yochanan

this case has nothing to do with the question of terry Shivo.

It does. People ("conservatives") who don't respect the rule of law and the constitution seem to be eager to take matters into their own hands. Political/religiously motivated assassination of judges will destroy our society much quicker than thousands of Jihadists. The alien enemy is much easier to resist than the enemy from within.

re: #69 taxfreekiller

#63

I, tfk, a conservative, have one thing to say about that ,

what the f do you know about respect.

Huh? Can anyone translate?

re: #76 CynicalConservative

good to see you too, CC !

re: #78 taxfreekiller

You got something to say, sport?

re: #80 ornery elephant

good to see you too, CC !

Hiya..Nice seeing you again! how are you doing?

re: #69 taxfreekiller

what the f do you know about respect.

Did you watch the video? That's what I'm talking about.

All due respect - however the first two speakers need to work on eliminating uh and umms from their speech.

re: #83 taxfreekiller

At least I watched the video and understand the topic of the thread.

Downloading video is also SLOOOOOOOW

re: #82 HoosierHoops

Hiya..Nice seeing you again! how are you doing?

hey Hoosier! Doing great here...bit of a snowstorm but hey, it's December! Hope all is well with you.

re: #85 Bobibutu

All due respect - however the first two speakers need to work on eliminating uh and umms from their speech.

Do they meet the "O'Bambi" level of filled pauses?

re: #88 ornery elephant

nice to see you O.E.

re: #19 mean Gene

While waiting for the starts and stops to even out:
Is Carolyn Kennedy (SENATOR Carolyn Kennedy) a princess from Camelot or a newly crowned queen?

Firedoglake (I refuse to post a link) doesn't approve of her. Janey-poo thinks Princess Carolyn sat out the last eight years, and only just jumped on the bandwagon when she thought Obama would win.

I fail to see what qualifies her for a seat in the Senate.

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Did you watch the video? That's what I'm talking about.

That's gotta be the worst job of backpedaling I've ever seen.

re: #88 ornery elephant

hey Hoosier! Doing great here...bit of a snowstorm but hey, it's December! Hope all is well with you.

Where?

re: #62 MandyManners

Definitely OT..Has young Mr. Manders made his list for Santa yet?

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Not tonight; gotta sign off. But I'm sure there will be other opportunities.

Oh, you know there will be!

re: #91 yochanan

nice to see you O.E.

hey yoch! always good to see ya!

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Good night!

re: #93 ornery elephant

That's gotta be the worst job of backpedaling I've ever seen.

Well, I'm curious too. Did you watch the video? Something tells me you didn't.

re: #89 CynicalConservative

Do they meet the "O'Bambi" level of filled pauses?

No - he is the un-disputed king.

Ooops - da judge needs to work on it as well.

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

MN

re: #101 Bobibutu

No - he is the un-disputed king.

Ooops - da judge needs to work on it as well.

Don't you mean the "ummmm" disputed king?

re: #97 ornery elephant

o.e. wish me a mazel tov just married off my last son.

re: #68 HoosierHoops

I got deleted also cause I quoted him and expressed disgust...
But Mandy..I'm still learning about being a good blogger..
It was reflex!
/hope today finds you well....

It finds me as well as it can 'cause I run and hide!

Hope tomorrow finds you well.

Well, time to go break out the snow shovel. Have a good night all.

re: #107 ornery elephant

Well, time to go break out the snow shovel. Have a good night all.

Ciao!

re: #65 yochanan

this case has nothing to do with the question of terry Shivo. Jewish medical ethics would have totally opposed what the court ordered to be done.

my ortho jewish doc said jewish law would have said 'feed her'

Her husk had long been cored of its soul. The brainwave evidence on this point is conclusive, and was sufficient to convince all medical specialists who did not harbor religious biases. The courts upheld the husband's right to make the decision that he made. His decision to allow her shell to wither and pass should have been respected rather than been the subject of individually targeting and religiously motivated government legislative interference, designed to circumvent the husband's court-sanctioned decision.

Other families were appalled at the prospect of the government stepping in and usurping their right to make private medical decisions for their family members, too, and thus that ill-advised attempt at judicial interference cost the Republican legislators involved dearly at the polls. As well it should have.

re: #78 taxfreekiller

ass wipe liberals elect a f'n no good commie in 2008
ass wipe liberals elect a full bore serial rapist ,, Clinton

and we get post #63 ,, screw that

re: #98 taxfreekiller

big deal you can read, who would have known

Gawd, you're annoying.

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Conservatives really need to learn to respect the Constitution again.

how are "conservatives" disrespecting the constitution ?

how about All Americans should respect the constitution

re: #90 taxfreekiller

What happened to arguing ideas and not going to the ad hominem?

re: #88 ornery elephant

hey Hoosier! Doing great here...bit of a snowstorm but hey, it's December! Hope all is well with you.

All is great here...I'm sure more snow is on it's way to Indiana..Not sure when..but don't bet against it.. ( well unless Al Gore is taking the line and we are getting the vig..Then I'm backing you all the way)
best regards...

re: #104 CynicalConservative

Don't you mean the "ummmm" disputed king?

Yes! Point well taken.

taxfreekiller, you feeling OK? Lots of deleted comments this thread. You get hacked or something?

re: #107 ornery elephant

Well, time to go break out the snow shovel. Have a good night all.

Uh huh. Thought so.

re: #93 ornery elephant

That's gotta be the worst job of backpedaling I've ever seen.

You've never seen the Detroit Lions Cornerbacks, I take it ?

re: #109 Salamantis

euthanasia is against Jewish beliefs remember a German govt that murdered the imperfect this should not be in man's hands to decide.

Has any one sat throught the whole 70 minutes other than Charles?

re: #95 Bobblehead

Definitely OT..Has young Mr. Manders made his list for Santa yet?

Yeah. He's not getting everything, and he's getting some stuff not on it. Guitar Hero and a new lap-top and a few others do-hickeys.

re: #93 ornery elephant

No, it's not. When judges who uphold the Constitution of the United States of America fear political/religious assassination from "conservatives" the conservatism is in very serious trouble. I stand by my point.

re: #114 Bobibutu

Yes! Point well taken.

Couldn't resist. Waiting for the pun-kings to take over this aspect of the discussion.

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Conservatives really need to learn to respect the Constitution again.

Very provocative and cryptic formulation.

If you mean, conservatives must understand that freedom of speech is for all kinds of speech, and no one has a right to go along in life never being offended: I agree with that. If you mean that liberals respect the Constitution, I disagree--they believe it is a means to an end, not an objective standard by which to compare unique and disparate questions of law, to preserve liberty.

On the whole, conservatives do respect the Constitution. The problem is understanding the price of preserving it is to live with a changing society in freedom, especially for those who most offend us--no doubt we offend others at least as often, yet we demand the protection of the Constitution for ourselves. We all seem to want outcomes that suit our preferences--that's the liberal failing. If a standard is objective, by definition, there will be times when our subjective sense of things is set aflame with dissent. So be it.

The other problem is picking our battles. I think there is a vision of that taking shape through the debates here and elsewhere in the aftermath of the 2008 election.

For the record, it wasn't a snowstorm. Sure we got snow; a total of maybe five inches. There was barely any wind and it only lasted a few hours. It was enough to severely diminish the performance envelop of non-Jeeps, which tied up traffic pretty badly all over the metro.

re: #106 MandyManners

It finds me as well as it can 'cause I run and hide!

Hope tomorrow finds you well.

Merry Christmas to you and your family Mandy...

re: #119 yochanan

euthanasia is against Jewish beliefs remember a German govt that murdered the imperfect this should not be in man's hands to decide.

The Terry Schiavo case was not euthanasia. She was taken off life support because there was absolutely no hope. She had no brain left.

Those are the facts.

re: #111 Shug

how are "conservatives" disrespecting the constitution ?

By threatening to assassinate judges. I hope that answer is clear enough for you.

re: #129 Killgore Trout
Then they aren't, by my definition anyway, consevatives.

re: #110 macduff

Gawd, you're annoying.

We can't all be perfect all the time!

re: #128 Charles

The Terry Schiavo case was not euthanasia. She was taken off life support because there was absolutely no hope. She had no brain left.

Those are the facts.

Absolutely....she was not euthanized....also the case was about who had the ultimate decision making rights....a spouse or the parents.

re: #121 taxfreekiller

I'm sick of kt and cognitos shit

You might be much happier at one of the stalker sites. I hate to see people melt down on my account but I've become used to it. Do what you have to do. Good luck with that.

re: #120 pingjockey

Has any one sat throught the whole 70 minutes other than Charles?

I am groan - working thru it - content good - delivery uhhhhh painful.

re: #130 pingjockey

No True Scotsman.
/Google it.

re: #120 pingjockey

Has any one sat throught the whole 70 minutes other than Charles?

The video was posted less than an hour ago, right?

re: #119 yochanan

euthanasia is against Jewish beliefs remember a German govt that murdered the imperfect this should not be in man's hands to decide.

Ending tube feeding is quite different from actively injecting someone with an overdose. And I repeat that there was no longer anyone home; her conscious awareness had long ago irretriveably abandoned its container.

I come from a family of nurses. They have a name for tube feeding, kinda like the name 'Organ Donor' for those who ride motorcycles without helmets; they call it The Living Hell. Which is one reason that my parents had a prohibition against tube feeding included in their living wills.

re: #134 Bobibutu
I'm ashamed to say I saw the length of the Q & A and groaned.

re: #128 Charles

not going to agree on that but will keep it civil

re: #127 HoosierHoops

Merry Christmas to you and your family Mandy...

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS!

re: #117 Charles

Uh huh. Thought so.

In his defense, it was a shovel-able amount.

/most of the neighbors don't seem to think so.

I am 22 minutes in......if it helps, the stage at Case is Strosacker auditorium which the students call Sack Stroker auditorium.

re: #126 Noam Sayin'

For the record, it wasn't a snowstorm. Sure we got snow; a total of maybe five inches. There was barely any wind and it only lasted a few hours. It was enough to severely diminish the performance envelop of non-Jeeps, which tied up traffic pretty badly all over the metro.

For the record, it is a snow storm here. Blowing snow, a couple of inches, going up to 5-6 in Golden, 16 or so south of Denver. I'm snuggled in. Maisey the parrot is warm. Headed for Kansas City next.

re: #129 Killgore Trout

By threatening to assassinate judges. I hope that answer is clear enough for you.

Please. These are not conservatives. They are criminals.

By your definition, the New York Mafia are "conservatives"

Your statement is really inaccurate and unfair

This is what Terry Schiavo's brain looked like in a CAT scan.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There was no hope for this poor woman. It's disgusting that so many fundamentalist religious groups used her to advance their agenda.

re: #132 big steve

frankly in this case i did not feel the spouse came to it with clean hands.
but that is a different subject.

Wish it would snow here. ANY amount would be a holiday here.

re: #135 Killgore Trout
Not tracking KT. I meant my definition of conservative(me being one) doesn't include assasination. I saw the Scotsman on the previous thread. Now I suppose I need to go back and read it. :)

re: #107 ornery elephant

Well, time to go break out the snow shovel. Have a good night all.

nite (oe)

re: #138 pingjockey

I'm ashamed to say I saw the length of the Q & A and groaned.

Thank you for the heads-up.

Fore warned is fore armed. And I shall tough it out.

re: #11 yochanan

totally off topic
just married off my last son

mazel tov.

Mazal Tov,
and btw did you get my e-mail yesterday?

re: #140 MandyManners
I'm a big fan of the The La La Christmas Song by Sleeves

re: #111 Shug

how are "conservatives" disrespecting the constitution ?

how about All Americans should respect the constitution

Very good!

i will make no more posts on this subject

re: #144 Shug

Your statement is really inaccurate and unfair

No, it's not.

re: #119 yochanan

euthanasia is against Jewish beliefs remember a German govt that murdered the imperfect this should not be in man's hands to decide.

The moment that a secular government can no longer decide matters counter to the wishes of particular religions is the moment that it ceases to be a constitutional democracy and becomes a theocracy.

Like Iran. Like Saudi Arabia.

For the record TFK, Clinton is not a serial rapists. He only raped once.

Real Rancher

re: #105 yochanan

o.e. wish me a mazel tov just married off my last son.

(yoch), congratulations!

re: #146 yochanan

frankly in this case i did not feel the spouse came to it with clean hands.
but that is a different subject.

Which as all shear speculation......the bottom line was that lacking specific information from Terry otherwise, he was her husband and he has the final say so in her treatment and not her parents.

Just for the record, I thought this presentation was fascinating. I started watching it last night shortly before going to bed and ended up unable to pull myself away.

Of course, that's me. Your mileage may vary.

re: #141 Noam Sayin'

In his defense, it was a shovel-able amount.

/most of the neighbors don't seem to think so.

*pinch*

re: #151 2by2

sort of my wife told me about it. the show will be up till feb.

re: #160 Charles

Just for the record, I thought this presentation was fascinating. I started watching it last night shortly before going to bed and ended up unable to pull myself away.

Of course, that's me. Your mileage may vary.

It's going to My Favorites.

re: #133 Killgore Trout

You might be much happier at one of the stalker sites. I hate to see people melt down on my account but I've become used to it. Do what you have to do. Good luck with that.

Pot meet kettle....

G'night folks.

any quoting de Tocqueville is all right by me.

re: #156 Salamantis

did we who have religious beliefs lose our right to state our opinions esp if we do it in a civil fashion?

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

Yeah, looks like you're getting hit good and hard right now. That's the kind of snow I like, instead of these piddly little five inch things that only serve to mess up a commute.

re: #92 Steffan

Firedoglake (I refuse to post a link) doesn't approve of her. Janey-poo thinks Princess Carolyn sat out the last eight years, and only just jumped on the bandwagon when she thought Obama would win.

I fail to see what qualifies her for a seat in the Senate.

Well, at least she never drowned a person.

re: #164 CynicalConservative

Pot meet kettle....

Hello?

re: #164 CynicalConservative

ChamberPot meet kettle....

fixed

Critical Thinking can come in handy for other things besides Global Warming.

Are you guys even watching the video?

re: #128 Charles

Well, she had just enough to appear to look at balloons.

My take on the TS case as a moral theology teacher if anyone cares:

It is a sad case for sure, but one must consider the religious meaning behind the gift of life. That, we believe, is communion/friendship with God. When that reality ceases to be a possibility (lack of cognitive function) along with an inability to receive food and hydration via natural means, you have the option to call it a day. The Catholic teaching tradition has been very clear on this up until recently, when it seems to have been hijacked by a radically materialistic element within Christianity: to preserve human life at all costs. The problem with this is the fact that most of the Christian world currently has no access to these means of keeping a person alive. Therefore the teaching from of old has not and cannot change. Just because we can in the US, does not give us the right to demand this of all people everywhere.

No, this is NOT euthanasia!

I clicked on the video, but, honestly, the voice of that woman who began the proceedings was so grating on my ears that I shut it down. The organization needs to find a spokesperson whose voice doesn't sound like fingernails on a blackboard.

No comments on the content, because I wasn't able to get that far. But the judge did make the right call in this case.

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Are you guys even watching the video?

I am.....33 minutes in

re: #161 MandyManners

*pinch*

*giggle*

re: #173 Killgore Trout

could you just tell me about it?/

re: #167 yochanan

did we who have religious beliefs lose our right to state our opinions esp if we do it in a civil fashion?

Of course not. But you do not have the right to have the state legislatively enforce the consequences of your opinions upon citizens who do not share them. Especially when their rights to make the decisions they make have been upheld by the court. Which is what the Republican legislators tried to do.

re: #175 Alberta Oil Peon

I clicked on the video, but, honestly, the voice of that woman who began the proceedings was so grating on my ears that I shut it down. The organization needs to find a spokesperson whose voice doesn't sound like fingernails on a blackboard.

No comments on the content, because I wasn't able to get that far. But the judge did make the right call in this case.

turn down the volumn........bring it back up 5 minutes in once the judge starts.

re: #109 Salamantis

1) The ex-husband had a severe conflict of interest. It was very wrong, he had a strong Hemlock Society connection in addition to the personal conflict of interest
2) Her family was contravened, not respected by the system--the problem again goes to the ex-husband's claim to be her "family" EXCLUSIVELY

The preponderance of medical evidence did confirm that Terri Schiavo was in a permanent vegetative state. However, if her family had been respected, if the conflict of interest had been judged early on in favor of her biological family--the whole thing would not have been the politicized mess it became.

I hated the slander of her ex-husband -- some accused him of attempted murder. I also hated the injustice that allowed him the exclusive right to have her life terminated. The precedent alone is negative. And, it was inhumane to starve the woman to death. It was wrong to let her slowly starve--better the tube had never been inserted, better to have resolved matters, justly, years earlier.

False hope is cruel, there was no hope for her recovery. Everyone lost.

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Are you guys even watching the video?

No. But I have no problem with evolution and I'm not arguing for or against anyone's comments about the video.

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Are you guys even watching the video?

Yes.

re: #174 AndyMacOP

Well, she had just enough to appear to look at balloons.

The video where she appeared to look at balloons was cynically, deceptively edited to give that impression.

re: #176 big steve

I'm about 10 minutes ahead of you but I'm catching a lot of shit from people who don't appear to even have watched the posted clip.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]
this is a much more important issue.

re: #129 Killgore Trout

By threatening to assassinate judges. I hope that answer is clear enough for you.

A particular person(s) threatened to assassinate a judge.
That same person(s) is "a conservative."

Therefore, all conservatives are homicidal lunatics.

Does not compute, grasshopper.

re: #145 Charles

This is what Terry Schiavo's brain looked like in a CAT scan.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There was no hope for this poor woman. It's disgusting that so many fundamentalist religious groups used her to advance their agenda.

Sadly yes - and importantly her case motivated uncountable seniors to establish a durable power of attorney for health care decisions.

A profoundly important outcome.

re: #187 Catttt

Therefore, all conservatives are homicidal lunatics.

Strawman.

re: #181 Joan

1) The ex-husband had a severe conflict of interest. It was very wrong, he had a strong Hemlock Society connection in addition to the personal conflict of interest
2) Her family was contravened, not respected by the system--the problem again goes to the ex-husband's claim to be her "family" EXCLUSIVELY

The preponderance of medical evidence did confirm that Terri Schiavo was in a permanent vegetative state. However, if her family had been respected, if the conflict of interest had been judged early on in favor of her biological family--the whole thing would not have been the politicized mess it became.

I hated the slander of her ex-husband -- some accused him of attempted murder. I also hated the injustice that allowed him the exclusive right to have her life terminated. The precedent alone is negative. And, it was inhumane to starve the woman to death. It was wrong to let her slowly starve--better the tube had never been inserted, better to have resolved matters, justly, years earlier.

False hope is cruel, there was no hope for her recovery. Everyone lost.

all good points and one thing can be taken for sure, regardless of your age......make your wishes on what is to be done were you ever in that state well known and legal.

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I'm a big fan of the The La La Christmas Song by Sleeves

It won't play for me, dagnabit.

re: #145 Charles

As did the proponents of euthanasia, through her ex husband. She was exploited as a cause, her family was tortured--it should never have happened. No such feeding tube should ever have been implanted, she should have been declared dead and her death should not have been prolonged by the false hope, probably the incorrect counsel, that her family received.

re: #192 Joan

As did the proponents of euthanasia, through her ex husband. She was exploited as a cause, her family was tortured--it should never have happened. No such feeding tube should ever have been implanted, she should have been declared dead and her death should not have been prolonged by the false hope, probably the incorrect counsel, that her family received.

And it wouldn't have happened if the fundamentalists hadn't latched onto the issue like vampire bats.

re: #156 Salamantis

The moment that a secular government can no longer decide matters counter to the wishes of particular religions is the moment that it ceases to be a constitutional democracy and becomes a theocracy.

Like Iran. Like Saudi Arabia.

Whoa. So, civil law should ALWAYS replace matters of conscience?

What about China's pro-abortion policy?

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Strawman.

Syllogism.

re: #121 taxfreekiller

I'm sick of kt and cognitos shit

sick and tired of good men defending the constitution with their life only to have pricks like kt and cognito bs it away with crap

like that

What shit has Cognito produced? I don't always agree with him but he normally does present well reasoned point. Why don't you cool down, you seem to be on a bender tonight.

re: #121 taxfreekiller

Whoa, someone is off the rocker tonight.

re: #184 Charles

The video where she appeared to look at balloons was cynically, deceptively edited to give that impression.

I forgot the /

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Hello?

Hi Der!

re: #157 Rancher

For the record TFK, Clinton is not a serial rapists. He only raped once.

Real Rancher

Broderick is one. I cannot recall the other woman's name.

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Strawman.

strawman meet match

re: #200 MandyManners

Willey?

re: #85 Bobibutu

The first voice I heard, I thought it belonged to a six year old.

re: #177 Noam Sayin'

*giggle*

*slap*

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

What shit has Cognito produced? I don't always agree with him but he normally does present well reasoned point. Why don't you cool down, you seem to be on a bender tonight.

Not speaking for TFK, but while cog occasionally has good points, more often it's just vomiting back the MSM talking points with no analysis.

All this excitement calls for a beer.

I'm at home and loading the video on my laptop. I'll watch it just because I never get to watch these You Tube videos, both work locations block them. Then again what am I doing on LGF when I'm supposed to be working? Because I can!

re: #206 NYCHardhat

All this excitement calls for a beer.

MNDT?

re: #208 CynicalConservative

MNDT?

Come again?

Very disappointing! Judge John presumes that because he's talking to a bunch of college types that everyone knew everything about the case itself. So, we get his philosophy of life on the hard cold bench of reason and everything.

I was hoping he'd at least talk about how he's reasoning proceeded and what guided his decision. Was ID tossed out because it's wrong or because of another basis?

Personally, ID is wrong but that's not the issue the judge discussed. He also missed a great chance to strongly emphasize our that education process is missing the boat in many ways. He kind of touched on that point and then dropped it, perhaps because he didn't want to rock the teachers boat. It was almost as if the lack of understanding by the Hoi Polloi was greatly and solely their fault; to some extent true.

Oh, lastly, the judge strongly agrees that he's quite the guy; fame corrupts absolutely.

re: #201 yochanan

strawman meet match

Well, we've had one melt-down tonight.

(Get the reference?)

re: #205 CynicalConservative

Not speaking for TFK, but while cog occasionally has good points, more often it's just vomiting back the MSM talking points with no analysis.

Ah. It's always nice to log on and catch up.

Monday Night Drinking Thread!

re: #203 rawmuse

The first voice I heard, I thought it belonged to a six year old.

I respect that they are not professional speakers. But when your message is as important as theirs - a little training goes a long way.

re: #202 Shug

Willey?

Kathleen?

re: #162 yochanan

sort of my wife told me about it. the show will be up till feb.

I'll go and see it and get back to you. Mazal Tov again. When's the shindig?

re: #202 Shug

She was sexually assaulted by Clinton, not raped. I'm only aware of the one rape, but Clinton was certainly a serial abuser of women.

I don't think anyone even pretends to believe that he didn't sexually harass Paula Jones.

re: #185 Killgore Trout

from people who don't appear to even have watched the posted clip.

I can't imagine actually sitting through an hour of that. Dude. Its Monday Night and there's a game on. Any adult male who watched an hour of that instead of the football game is under suspicion.

re: #204 MandyManners

*slap*

Hey!

re: #175 Alberta Oil Peon

Her "ummmm"s are a bit irksome.

re: #213 CynicalConservative

Monday Night Drinking Thread!

Boy am I dense tonight! Yes it is!

re: #210 Olderthandirt

Very disappointing! Judge John presumes that because he's talking to a bunch of college types that everyone knew everything about the case itself. So, we get his philosophy of life on the hard cold bench of reason and everything.

I was hoping he'd at least talk about how he's reasoning proceeded and what guided his decision. Was ID tossed out because it's wrong or because of another basis?

Personally, ID is wrong but that's not the issue the judge discussed. He also missed a great chance to strongly emphasize our that education process is missing the boat in many ways. He kind of touched on that point and then dropped it, perhaps because he didn't want to rock the teachers boat. It was almost as if the lack of understanding by the Hoi Polloi was greatly and solely their fault; to some extent true.

Oh, lastly, the judge strongly agrees that he's quite the guy; fame corrupts absolutely.

Wow. You must have seen a different video than I did.

And there's a link in the post to a previous LGF article if you want to know more about the back story.

re: #212 Cognito

Ah. It's always nice to log on and catch up.

Just taking a cheap shot Cog. I seldom agree with you but truly appreciate your viewpoint.

re: #201 yochanan

strawman meet match

I could while away the hours, conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain.
And my head I'd be scratchin' while my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain.

re: #42 lawhawk

What is so incredible about your post -- If I read it aloud to my moonbat brother, he would yell "yes!" after every point.

re: #218 Mich-again

Any adult male who watched an hour of that instead of the football game is under suspicion.

I also opposed prop 8 but I watched porn (hetero) this afternoon and I'm now drunk. Let's call it a wash.

re: #226 Killgore Trout

I also opposed prop 8 but I watched porn (hetero) this afternoon and I'm now drunk. Let's call it a wash.

Ha!

This video is nearly impossible for me to watch. I get 5 seconds then a pause. then the spinning disc. then repeat the cycle.
It's taking forever

re: #216 2by2

kid got hitched tonite, show is up till some time in feb.

Looks like by the time I load the video and watch it most lizards will be on the Friday night drinking thread. Blondy is still talking. I still need to watch Obsession too. Going to be a long night.

Whoa..The MNF game is pretty good tonight...
Remember when you were young and Monday Night Football was the coolest thing to watch and everybody got together to watch?
not so much anymore..The game is good tonight! I maybe only to post that a couple times a year..

re: #218 Mich-again

I can't imagine actually sitting through an hour of that. Dude. Its Monday Night and there's a game on. Any adult male who watched an hour of that instead of the football game is under suspicion.

You can do both you know. I am

Tony Kornheiser sounds great on mute

Argh!

I can't watch it -- it stops more than it runs!

I clicked it 20 minutes ago, and its only up to the 3 minute mark! Too many are trying to access it now... I keep getting the spinning dots.

re: #228 Shug

This video is nearly impossible for me to watch. I get 5 seconds then a pause. then the spinning disc. then repeat the cycle.
It's taking forever

My experience too. Can we talk about boobs now?

re: #174 AndyMacOP

Not sure why I am getting dinged down on this one? I agree with Charles that the video was rather phony. The rest of the com is my actual take on the matter.

Clarity is so elusive on the interwebthingy!

re: #194 MandyManners

Sal: The moment that a secular government can no longer decide matters counter to the wishes of particular religions is the moment that it ceases to be a constitutional democracy and becomes a theocracy.

Like Iran. Like Saudi Arabia.

Mandy: Whoa. So, civil law should ALWAYS replace matters of conscience?

What about China's pro-abortion policy?

China has never been a constitutional democracy. If the Chinese people had the right to vote on that issue, and to have those votes mean something, there wouldn't be enforced abortion in China in the first place.

But where people of good conscience disagree on an issue of ethics, one group of them should not be allowed to use the state as a tool with which to force those who disagree with them to nevertheless act according to the first group's convictions. The fact that a group claims that they have divine sanction to mandate their stance on all and sundry does not constitute an exception.

re: #234 rawmuse

My experience too. Can we talk about boobs now?

I was hoping for another ding thread.

re: #210 Olderthandirt

Very disappointing! Judge John presumes that because he's talking to a bunch of college types that everyone knew everything about the case itself. So, we get his philosophy of life on the hard cold bench of reason and everything.

I was hoping he'd at least talk about how he's reasoning proceeded and what guided his decision. Was ID tossed out because it's wrong or because of another basis?

Personally, ID is wrong but that's not the issue the judge discussed. He also missed a great chance to strongly emphasize our that education process is missing the boat in many ways. He kind of touched on that point and then dropped it, perhaps because he didn't want to rock the teachers boat. It was almost as if the lack of understanding by the Hoi Polloi was greatly and solely their fault; to some extent true.

Oh, lastly, the judge strongly agrees that he's quite the guy; fame corrupts absolutely.

This issue is brought up numerous times. One student even asks if public schools should be abolished. And the judge, for his part, questions whether or not judges should receive continuing education in science in order to provide sound decisions on increasingly complex scientific subjects.

re: #223 CynicalConservative

Just taking a cheap shot Cog. I seldom agree with you but truly appreciate your viewpoint.

I tried to trace back up and find out what I'm supposed to have done wrong, which seems to be, best I can tell, trying to destroy the Constitution.

Which is a humdinger, really.

I'm just going to agree with Judge Jones, that this is due to the public being "bereft of a good civics education". That goes for the right, the left, media people...

re: #228 Shug

Me too!

re: #231 HoosierHoops

Whoa..The MNF game is pretty good tonight...
Remember when you were young and Monday Night Football was the coolest thing to watch and everybody got together to watch?
not so much anymore..The game is good tonight! I maybe only to post that a couple times a year..

No. When I was young, it was roller derby on TV and Shaeffer Beer.

Why is being called Rasputin an insult? I could google it myself but I'm lazy.

re: #110 macduff

you quoted a deleted post - I reported this and it might be deleted. Just so you know.

re: #217 Iron Fist

She was sexually assaulted by Clinton, not raped. I'm only aware of the one rape, but Clinton was certainly a serial abuser of women.

I don't think anyone even pretends to believe that he didn't sexually harass Paula Jones.

Sexual assault is sexual assault. One need not forcibly insert a penis for it to have legal, moral and medical consequences.

re: #239 Cognito

I tried to trace back up and find out what I'm supposed to have done wrong, which seems to be, best I can tell, trying to destroy the Constitution.

Which is a humdinger, really.

Hmmm, that might contribute to it...

Good night all. Have to go finish my beer.

re: #210 Olderthandirt

Very disappointing! Judge John presumes that because he's talking to a bunch of college types that everyone knew everything about the case itself. So, we get his philosophy of life on the hard cold bench of reason and everything.

I was hoping he'd at least talk about how he's reasoning proceeded and what guided his decision. Was ID tossed out because it's wrong or because of another basis?

Personally, ID is wrong but that's not the issue the judge discussed. He also missed a great chance to strongly emphasize our that education process is missing the boat in many ways. He kind of touched on that point and then dropped it, perhaps because he didn't want to rock the teachers boat. It was almost as if the lack of understanding by the Hoi Polloi was greatly and solely their fault; to some extent true.

Oh, lastly, the judge strongly agrees that he's quite the guy; fame corrupts absolutely.

Judge Jones went into his rationale, which closely follows legal precedent, in an interview here:

[Link: www.plosgenetics.org...]

re: #226 Killgore Trout

I also opposed prop 8 but I watched porn (hetero) this afternoon and I'm now drunk. Let's call it a wash.

That's alarmingly honest, there, Killgore.

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Why is being called Rasputin an insult? I could google it myself but I'm lazy.

Apparently, he was hung like a horse and had dozens of lovers, and he could drink anyone under the table. Any of that help? :D

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Why is being called Rasputin an insult? I could google it myself but I'm lazy.

"Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin (Russian: Григо́р&# 1080;й Ефи́мов&# 1080;ч Распу́т&# 1080;н) (January 22 [O.S. January 10] 1869 – December 29 [O.S. December 16] 1916) was a Russian mystic who is perceived as having influenced the later days of the Russian Tsar Nicholas II, his wife the Tsaritsa Alexandra, and their only son the Tsarevich Alexei. Rasputin had often been called the "Mad Monk,"[1] while others considered him a "strannik" (or religious pilgrim) and even a starets (ста́рец, "elder", a title usually reserved for monk-confessors), believing him to be a psychic and faith healer.[1]

It has been argued that Rasputin helped to discredit the tsarist government, leading to the fall of the Romanov dynasty, in 1917. Contemporary opinions saw Rasputin variously as a saintly mystic, visionary, healer, and prophet, and, on the other side of the coin, as a debauched religious charlatan. Historians may find both to be true, but there is much uncertainty, for accounts of his life have often been based on dubious memoirs, hearsay, and legend.[1]"

I don't know, does it sound familiar?

re: #219 Noam Sayin'

Hey!

Your next post should've been *tickle*.

re: #234 rawmuse

My experience too. Can we talk about boobs now?

Probably your ISP. I have 2 large file transfers uploading in the background and the video never missed a beat - into Q&A now.

re: #229 yochanan

kid got hitched tonite, show is up till some time in feb.

The wedding is tonight?

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Here's a shot at it:
"Contemporary opinions saw Rasputin variously as a saintly mystic, visionary, healer, and prophet, and, on the other side of the coin, as a debauched religious charlatan."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #246 CynicalConservative

Hmmm, that might contribute to it...

Just nuttiness. I'm decidedly, er... pro-Constitution, if there is such a term.

re: #232 Shug

Tony Kornheiser sounds great on mute

They haven't had a good 3rd guy since Dandy Don.

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

Didn't they try to kill the guy about 9 times?

re: #256 Cognito

Just nuttiness. I'm decidedly, er... pro-Constitution, if there is such a term.

S'All good. I'll refrain from random disses now and wait for actual material to take shots at.

Clicking clicking clicking.
spinning disc. spinning disc. 45 minutes total .

now it says "We're sorry this video is no longer available"

all I got was the annoying Horowitz girl stopping and starting for over a half hour.

does anybody have the cliff notes please? I really wanted to see the video

re: #255 jaunte

Here's a shot at it:
"Contemporary opinions saw Rasputin variously as a saintly mystic, visionary, healer, and prophet, and, on the other side of the coin, as a debauched religious charlatan."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

lol, that is exactly how i see him! "a saintly mystic a debauched religious charlatan"

re: #236 Salamantis

China has never been a constitutional democracy. If the Chinese people had the right to vote on that issue, and to have those votes mean something, there wouldn't be enforced abortion in China in the first place.

But where people of good conscience disagree on an issue of ethics, one group of them should not be allowed to use the state as a tool with which to force those who disagree with them to nevertheless act according to the first group's convictions. The fact that a group claims that they have divine sanction to mandate their stance on all and sundry does not constitute an exception.

Picky...picky...picky.

re: #239 Cognito

We're watching you, buddy.

re: #249 Cognito

That's alarmingly honest, there, Killgore.

Yet I'm still holding back.

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

a debauched religious charlatan.

I guess that's partially true.

re: #263 Noam Sayin'

We're watching you, buddy.

I should probably put on pants, then.

re: #245 MandyManners

But it appears that being a ranking Democrat is more important than mundane matters of sexual assault, rape or no. Which makes the way Clarence Thomas was treated in the Anita Hill controversy look all the more vile.