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Greek Rioting - Unrelated to Islam

World | Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:18:27 am PST

Lots of people have emailed us to express suspicion at the reports of “youths” rioting in Greece after the police shooting of a teenager. The suspicion is understandable, given media’s previous reluctance to identify the rioters in France as anything other than “youths,” but the simple fact is that this horrible violence has nothing to do with Islamic immigrants and everything to do with Greece’s home-grown anarchist left: Violence breaks out during Greek teen’s funeral.

ATHENS, Greece – Riot police fought running battles with mourners Tuesday after the funeral of a teenager whose shooting by officers set off waves of rioting that have sent Greece’s already unpopular government reeling.

Opposition socialist leader George Papandreou called for early elections, saying the governing conservatives were incapable of defending the public from rioters.

The government has a single-seat majority in the 300-member Parliament and opposition parties blame hands-off policing for encouraging the worst rioting the country has seen in decades. “The government cannot handle this crisis and has lost the trust of the Greek people,” Papandreou said. “The best thing it can do is resign and let the people find a solution ... we will protect the public.”

High-school and university students joined elements of mostly left-wing and self-styled anarchist groups to rampage through the capital and several other cities overnight. Gangs of masked youths roamed the streets erecting burning barricades and pelting riot police with rocks and bottles.

On Tuesday, police fired tear gas to dispel dozens of youths throwing stones and sticks and setting trash cans on fire near the funeral for 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos, whose death Saturday sparked the rioting. Dozens of local residents gathered on the streets, shouting at police to stop firing gas in the residential area.

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1 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:19:43am

Unrelated to Islam? Oh, thank Allah!

2 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:20:45am

These are the same types here in the US that attach themselves to every leftist protest they can find and usually instigate the random violence that organizers try so hard to avoid.

Makes you long for the days when fire hoses were standard police issue. ;)

3 CIA Reject  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:21:30am

Hmm Yoots riot, socialists call for new gov't.

Any chance the socialists are "inspiring" the yoots to riot?

/Naw.....

4 Racer X  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:22:21am

Communists.

5 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:22:26am

Anarchists really bug me. It's like a gigantic childish fit.

But these ones in Greece seem organized. I would crack down on those guys big time - they're just burning down stores of people who have nothing to do with the death. Disgraceful and dishonorable.

6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:22:39am
Opposition socialist leader George Papandreou called for early elections, saying the governing conservatives were incapable of defending the public from rioters.

I wonder how any of the rioters have been backed and recruited by socialist leaders?

7 maddogg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:22:54am

Obviously a lot of parenting going on in Greece.

8 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:22:57am

I'm betting on the Peloponnesians in the long run.

9 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:23:10am

Rioting has been the national youth sport there for decades. I witnessed it in 1979/80.

10 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:23:14am

"FREE GREECE"
End The Occupation!

11 LGoPs  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:23:29am

What an irony.....anarchy in the birthplace of democracy.

12 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:23:29am

People don't need Islam to riot, as is the case in Greece, but it sure does help in the majority.

/// Greece needs a Messiah-King to just make all this disappear.

13 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:24:03am

Violence from the Left? Go figure.

These kids need the Boy Scouts or something.

14 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:24:11am

re: #5 Noam Chumpski

Anarchists really bug me. It's like a gigantic childish fit.

But these ones in Greece seem organized.

If they're "organized anarchists", are they really anarchists?

15 Babydoc97  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:24:23am

These left wing temper tantrums are beyond tiresome. At what point does a society come to grips with the reality that we are committing national suicide if we don't answer these spoiled brat hissy fits with deadly force? If these animals throwing firebombs are too stupid to figure out that rioting and mayhem serve no useful purpose - or in the case of the anarchists only serves to create pointless, bloody chaos - then unleash the dogs of war and rid us of more socialist deadbeats so the rest of us can get on with being productive for our fellow man.

16 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:24:32am

re: #9 wrenchwench

Rioting has been the national youth sport there for decades. I witnessed it in 1979/80.

So basically, the punks there are like the punks in every country - always in desperate need of an ass whuppin'.

17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:24:44am

re: #12 FurryOldGuyJeans

People don't need Islam to riot, as is the case in Greece, but it sure does help in the majority.

/// Greece needs a Messiah-King to just make all this disappear.

Fairly sure a few dozen Spartans could deal with this.

18 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:33am

How the hell do you organize an anarchist demonstration? I mean, the difficulty is right there in the name, fer allah's sake.

19 uncc_compman  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:33am

Isn't organized anarchists sort of an oxymoron?

jk

re: #5 Noam Chumpski

Anarchists really bug me. It's like a gigantic childish fit.

But these ones in Greece seem organized. I would crack down on those guys big time - they're just burning down stores of people who have nothing to do with the death. Disgraceful and dishonorable.

20 pat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:35am

However it does appear some Muslims have used this as an opportunity. The Muslim canard is being discussed in some obscure Nordic Supremacist sites in order to force the issue, but there is little evidence other than the fact the district in which the initial confrontation occurred was heavily Muslim.

21 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:40am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fairly sure a few dozen Spartans could deal with this.

Nah, let's just ship 'em Our Messiah-King, PLEASE! ;)

22 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:42am

The Left has a history of freaking out in Greece.

23 LGoPs  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:43am

re: #5 Noam Chumpski

Anarchists really bug me. It's like a gigantic childish fit.

But these ones in Greece seem organized. I would crack down on those guys big time - they're just burning down stores of people who have nothing to do with the death. Disgraceful and dishonorable.

Organized anarchists seems like such a contradiction. Not criticizing your characterization, just musing on the point........

24 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:53am

re: #14 Lizard by the Bay

If they're "organized anarchists", are they really anarchists?

They have to call themselves something.
I hate anarchists. And commies.

25 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:26:12am

How I see this: Rioters are angry that Grigoropoulos was shot, and are certain that the police did not in fact have valid reason to fear violence from the group of youths of which Grigoropoulos was a member.

And to demostrate this, the youths are being as violent and destructive as possible.

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:26:24am

re: #22 Ben Hur

The Left has a history of freaking out in Greece.

Ain't just Greece where the Left freaks out.

27 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:26:46am

re: #5 Noam Chumpski

Anarchists really bug me. It's like a gigantic childish fit.

"You're not the boss of me."

28 Bumr50  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:26:53am

re: #13 Noam Chumpski

Obama Scouts?

29 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:27:15am

re: #14 Lizard by the Bay

If they're "organized anarchists", are they really anarchists?

You know I was just thinking that and laughing a little.

Anarchists use the technology (corporations) that they supposedly rail against to "organize chaos."

Remove reason, religion, and thought and you get the modern left.

30 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:27:33am

A little known episode in Greek history was the near-takeover by commies just after WWII. There still seem to be a lots of commie symps there.

31 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:27:33am

re: #25 Silhouette

How I see this: Rioters are angry that Grigoropoulos was shot, and are certain that the police did not in fact have valid reason to fear violence from the group of youths of which Grigoropoulos was a member.

And to demostrate this, the youths are being as violent and destructive as possible.


DingDingDing! a winner in 1!

And Islam is a religion of peace. Don't make me kill you to prove it!

32 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:27:36am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fairly sure a few dozen Spartans could deal with this.

And 300 could clean out the country.

33 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:27:51am

re: #25 Silhouette

How I see this: Rioters are angry that Grigoropoulos was shot, and are certain that the police did not in fact have valid reason to fear violence from the group of youths of which Grigoropoulos was a member.

And to demostrate this, the youths are being as violent and destructive as possible.

Having a good riot is a purpose in and of itself. Quit rationalizing that there are reasonable and deep-thinking people on the Left.

34 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:28:03am

re: #22 Ben Hur

Nazis also freaked out in Greece.

35 Rancher  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:28:20am

Islam was my first guess when I saw this on Drudge yesterday but when I looked into it these clowns have been doing this for years.

OT-Illinois Gov arrested.

Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were arrested by FBI agents on federal corruption charges Tuesday morning.

Blagojevich and Harris were arrested simultaneously at their homes at about 6:15 a.m., according to Frank Bochte of the FBI. Both were transported to FBI headquarters in Chicago.

In one charge related to the appointment of a senator to replace Barack Obama, prosecutors allege that Blagojevich sought appointment for himseld as Secretary of Health and Human Services in the new Obama administration, or a lucrative job with a union, in exchange for appointing a union-preferred candidate.

Another charge alleges Blagojevich and Harris conspired to demand the firing of Chicago Tribune editorial board members responsible for editorials critical of him in exchange for state help with the sale of Wrigley Field, the Chicago Cubs baseball stadium owned by Tribune Co.

36 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:28:22am

Gramcians whoring for themselves, for a change.

37 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:28:38am

Greece is the word.

38 tfc3rid  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:28:49am

It's very ugly over there...

39 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:29:00am

re: #28 Bumr50

Obama Scouts?

Obama Weebalows.

40 Asmodeus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:29:29am

These people need some Grecian Formula. Hehehe, no seriously, is this what it means to do it Greek style? Take my wife, please.

41 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:29:43am

Our left is so lame they couldn't even put together a good riot during the elections.

I laugh in their general direction.

42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:29:54am

re: #37 Ben Hur

Greece is the word.

*groan*

43 CIA Reject  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:01am

re: #30 razorbacker

A little known episode in Greek history was the near-takeover by commies just after WWII. There still seem to be a lots of commie symps there.

During the Cold War the KGB set up and operated several newspapers in Greece for the express purpose of spreading anti-American sentiment throughout the Med and the Middle East. I'm wouldn't be surprised if they still have a very strong presence there.

44 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:04am

re: #18 razorbacker

LOL.

"OK, we're going to meet at the Parthenon with Molotov cocktails and sticks."

"Screw you-I'm not taking orders from you. We'll start at the taxi station downtown, and we're bringing stink bombs."

"Oh yah-F$*(#% you...I'm not listening to you. I'm gonna bring rocks and start at the cinema."

45 Bumr50  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:08am

This is fun!

46 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:17am

re: #34 WriterMom

Nazis also freaked out in Greece.


But the Greeks were very heroic in their resistance.

Shame they're freaks now.

Ever watch a basketball game between a Greek team and an Israeli team?

The Greeks flip the f*ck out with the anti-Semite shtick.

47 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:34am

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

*groan*


LOVE IT!

48 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:47am

Thae this Current affairs quiz to understand why some folks might think that these youths might be muslim.

49 amateurpundit  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:53am

Barack Obama will solve this soon after Inauguration Day. The check is in the mail.

50 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:31:04am

re: #44 WriterMom

LOL.

"OK, we're going to meet at the Parthenon with Molotov cocktails and sticks."

"Screw you-I'm not taking orders from you. We'll start at the taxi station downtown, and we're bringing stink bombs."

"Oh yah-F$*(#% you...I'm not listening to you. I'm gonna bring rocks and start at the cinema."

lmao... "F#$% you all - I'm going to NOT be violent and stay home..."

Like a Monty Python skit or something.

51 beblebrox  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:31:13am

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

*groan*

Greece? I'd like a Greece. You know nudge-nudge wink-wink, say no more...

52 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:31:14am

re: #28 Bumr50

Obama Scouts?

FDR brought us the Conservation Corps, JFK and LBJ brought us the Peace Corps, so why shouldn't Our Messiah-King give us something just as lofty and collectivist?

53 SFGoth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:31:16am

re: #37 Ben Hur

Greece is the word.

It's got groove, it's got meaning [insert brass section]

54 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:31:27am

re: #46 Ben Hur

Two words for them: Chanukah, baby.

I do love Glikeria, though.

55 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:31:51am

Anarchy and Greece seem to go hand in hand. What's in the ouzo?

56 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:32:11am

re: #41 WrathofG-d

Our left is so lame they couldn't even put together a good riot during the elections.

I laugh in their general direction.

They were scared of the Brown Note - [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

If you were that feculent, you'd be scared of it, too.

57 Bumr50  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:32:12am

re: #54 WriterMom

Smoke your marijuanakah!

58 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:32:29am

re: #39 Noam Chumpski

Obama Weebalows.

He certainly does.

59 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:32:30am

When is national Calling in 'I Go Greek' Day?

60 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:32:53am

re: #56 Van Helsing

They were scared of the Brown Note - [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

If you were that feculent, you'd be scared of it, too.

I, for one, welcome our new Brown Note overlords...

61 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:33:02am

Anarchists?

Were they organized?

62 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:33:45am

re: #59 Ben Hur

When is national Calling in 'I Go Greek' Day?

It won't be a sit-in.

63 Rancher  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:33:57am

re: #56 Van Helsing

They were scared of the Brown Note - [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

If you were that feculent, you'd be scared of it, too.


Caused a run on Depend diapers.

64 LGoPs  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:34:11am

Shoot, I misunderstood. I thought my computer was acting up because the Geeks were rioting....changing all my 0's and 1's around.....

65 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:34:26am

Turns out half the anarchists were just guys who supported some gal named Ann for monarch.

66 maddogg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:34:38am

The real question is: Greece is pretty much a non-entity in the modern world. No power, no influence, no matter. What the hell, why not riot?

67 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:35:13am

re: #64 LGoPs

Shoot, I misunderstood. I thought my computer was acting up because the Geeks were rioting....changing all my 0's and 1's around.....

They stop making Mountain Dew and Cheetos and the geeks will really be rioting...

68 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #50 Noam Chumpski

lmao... "F#$% you all - I'm going to NOT be violent and stay home..."

Like a Monty Python skit or something.

The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine? Or the Front for the Popular Liberation of Palestine? Or...

Screw it - Romans Go Home!

69 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:35:39am

re: #65 Silhouette

Turns out half the anarchists were just guys who supported some gal named Ann for monarch.

I would also like to throw my support to Ann Margret!

70 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:35:48am

re: #21 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nah, let's just ship 'em Our Messiah-King, PLEASE! ;)

he'd want to know if there was an extradition treaty with Greece first.

71 Albigensian  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:36:08am

The notion that socialists and anarchists would have anything in common makes about as much sense as the notion that leftists would make common cause with Islamists.

Maybe Dante had it wrong-- perhaps the Gates actually said, "Abandon all reason, ye who enter here."

72 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:36:12am

re: #55 lawhawk

Anarchy and Greece seem to go hand in hand. What's in the ouzo?

The same thing as in the Absinthe, up to 75 percent ABV.

73 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:37:07am

re: #54 WriterMom

Two words for them: Chanukah, baby.

I do love Glikeria, though.

Just for you.
Glykeria and the Israeli Philharmonic, Bournovalia
One of my favorites.

74 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:37:14am

re: #44 WriterMom

All joking aside (sort of), when i volunteered to "re-build" New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, it was with an "Anarchist"/Socialist Anti-U.S. organization called Common Ground Collective.

One of the major internal issues they had was exactly that! Rumor had it that they would often fight over the construct of the meeting before it even got started because as good "anarchists" they refused to allow anyone to lead it. Anytime someone would stand up to lead the meeting, etc., the others would accuse him/her of trying to enforce their way on them, etc.

pretty funny.

75 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:37:23am

re: #71 Albigensian

The notion that socialists and anarchists would have anything in common makes about as much sense as the notion that leftists would make common cause with Islamists.

Maybe Dante had it wrong-- perhaps the Gates actually said, "Abandon all reason, ye who enter here."

Or possibly "Welcome to the 21st Century".

76 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:39:38am

And by the way, the Greek people seem to remember the Ottomans very well, and will not be submitting any time soon.

77 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:41:32am

re: #71 Albigensian

The notion that socialists and anarchists would have anything in common makes about as much sense as the notion that leftists would make common cause with Islamists.

Since both groups seem to be dominated by childish adults with Daddy issues who seek to tear down everything good that came before, I can see why they seek each other out. But you're right in the fact that anarchy should be about as far away from totalitarianism (née "Socialism") as you can get.

In truth, real anarchists would have more in common with Libertarians than Socialists.

78 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:41:35am

re: #71 Albigensian

The notion that socialists and anarchists would have anything in common makes about as much sense as the notion that leftists would make common cause with Islamists.

One would think that a group for total state control and a group for no state at all wouldn't have much in common.

But they are both fighting for the end of personal liberty. They both want a world where they can impose their will on others. One through a powerful state, and one by removing the protections of liberty by a useful state.

79 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:41:55am

re: #73 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOVE IT. I also love her singing 'shabchi Yerushalayim".

80 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:41:59am
81 uncc_compman  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #64 LGoPs

Shoot, I misunderstood. I thought my computer was acting up because the Geeks were rioting....changing all my 0's and 1's around.....

If they were organized geeks then they'd be using hex.....

82 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:42:13am

re: #54 WriterMom

Two words for them: Chanukah, baby.

I do love Glikeria, though.

And (*tingle*) ... another ... Gyftopoula

83 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:42:32am

re: #74 WrathofG-d

That was nice of you.

84 Wild Knight  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:42:33am

re: #46 Ben Hur

But the Greeks were very heroic in their resistance.

Shame they're freaks now.

Ever watch a basketball game between a Greek team and an Israeli team?

The Greeks flip the f*ck out with the anti-Semite shtick.

re: #46 Ben Hur

Greeks have a very long history of anti-semitism, dating back to the conquest of the East by Alexander the Great. I'm doing a classics degree and it really is appalling to see what the Greeks did to the Jews throughout the Syrian/Egyptian regions. Hell, I'm under the impression that the blood libel was originally concocted by an Alexandrian Greek called Apion (see Josephus, Contra Apion). Glorious civilisation and language (I'm practising Greek composition right now) but not very kind to the Jews, in classical times, at least.

85 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:42:34am

re: #79 WriterMom

LOVE IT. I also love her singing 'shabchi Yerushalayim".

There's another, just tossed in.

86 Bumr50  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:43:14am

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

Wormwood?

87 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:44:27am

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

HOPA!

88 maddogg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:44:55am

re: #80 Ben Hur

Saudi Cleric Vs Women's Rights Activist

She whupped his fur bearin' ass.

89 Bumr50  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:45:47am

I'm suddenly craving a Gyro.

90 Radislav[deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:45:50am
91 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:46:04am

re: #86 Bumr50

Wormwood?

No, I was just referring to the ABV content.

92 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:46:54am

re: #90 Radislav

riots have everything to do with the islamist "youth"

Please explain yourself. Did you read the article?

(Lizards)
We got some troll meat here.

93 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:46:58am

re: #90 Radislav

You'll have to back that up with something. Link? Theory?

94 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:47:13am
Riot police fought running battles with mourners

Nice to see that these glossy MSM euphemisms are applied to someone other than Palestinian terrorists, I guess.

(I've alway engaged in running battles with riot police during funerals, doesn't everybody?)

95 Alouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:47:16am

OT

I was shopping yesterday at Marshall's, which is one of my favorite stores, BUT, they play the absolutely crappiest Christmas muzak ever recorded over their store speakers.

They played this utterly ghastly "jazz style" rendition of "Jingle Bells," in which some song stylist adds a whole bunch of nonsense syllables randomly to each song lyric, and it just goes on and on and on at top volume.

I almost ran screaming out of the store.

They play crappy muzak the rest of the year too. Who chooses this stuff?

96 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:47:21am

re: #84 Wild Knight

I agree.

97 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:47:44am

re: #90 Radislav

riots have everything to do with the islamist "youth"

And in this context HOW exactly? Should I just assume that you are suffering from IDS (Islam Derangement Syndrome?)?

98 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:47:47am

re: #90 Radislav

My, aren't you being obtuse, cryptic, and offensive today.

99 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:47:57am

bbl

100 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:47:58am
Opposition socialist leader George Papandreou called for early elections, saying the governing conservatives were incapable of defending the public from rioters.

And yet, left-wing parties seem to be stoking the riots.

What a coinkydink.

101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:48:26am

re: #87 WriterMom

HOPA!

I'll restrain myself from sending more.

I don't speak Greek, but I've got over 30 CDs of bouzouki and Cretan laouto instrumentals. I'd like very much to spend a month or two on Tinos.

/I'll never get there.

102 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:48:58am

re: #90 Radislav

riots have everything to do with the islamist "youth"



Radislav
Registered since: Jun 12, 2008 at 1:04 pm
No. of comments posted: 4
No. of links posted: 0

Links?
Documentation?
Other forms of Proof.
Anything to disprove "....left-wing and self-styled anarchist groups....."?

103 OldLineTexan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:49:00am

re: #94 Occasional Reader


(I've alway engaged in running battles with riot police during funerals, doesn't everybody?)

I kept expecting to see the Phelps/Westboro trash in a funeral melee.

104 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:49:34am

re: #37 Ben Hur

Greece is the word.

I actually saw that slogan in an NYC Greek-owned diner, affixed over newspaper headlines about some (meaningless) soccer victory.

105 LGoPs  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:49:42am

re: #94 Occasional Reader

Nice to see that these glossy MSM euphemisms are applied to someone other than Palestinian terrorists, I guess.

(I've alway engaged in running battles with riot police during funerals, doesn't everybody?)

First thing I always think of when preparing for a funeral is 'where's my molotov cocktail?'.....
/

106 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:50:27am
107 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:50:41am

re: #94 Occasional Reader

Sure-and gunshots during weddings.

[THUNK]

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:50:48am

re: #90 Radislav

riots have everything to do with the islamist "youth"

Are you refering to the current riots in Greece. Do you have a link to a NEWS report? Don't send opinion.

109 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:51:06am

re: #103 OldLineTexan

I kept expecting to see the Phelps/Westboro trash in a funeral melee.

I keep hoping they get their asses stomped by some Rangers, while the police suddenly remember urgent business elsewhere.

110 fish  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:51:33am

While this has nothing to do with Isalmists, Isn't it still likely that it is the result of The Bush Adminstration's Policies?

/LLL

111 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:51:46am

re: #102 jcm


Radislav
Registered since: Jun 12, 2008 at 1:04 pm
No. of comments posted: 4
No. of links posted: 0

Links?
Documentation?
Other forms of Proof.
Anything to disprove "....left-wing and self-styled anarchist groups....."?

*sniff*
*sniff*
hmmm, I haven't had lunch yet, and it smells like the caterer's here.

112 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:51:51am

We Micks are very respectful during funerals. We save the brawling for the wake.

113 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:52:06am

re: #102 jcm

Facts don't work in the deranged universe, so save your fingers.

114 Bumr50  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:52:37am

re: #95 Alouette

I was in this horrible place called a "Christmas Tree Shoppe" last week up in New England with the girlfriend and her parents, and had a similar experience with the music.
This also happened last Thanksgiving, so this year I took the bull by the horns, grabbed a two dollar miniature Christmas tree made of little jingle bells, and tambourined them off of my leg to the beat of each and every Christmas carol.
While it irritated probably hundreds of others, it kept me sane.

115 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:53:00am

re: #89 Bumr50

I'm suddenly craving a Gyro.

It seems the greek people need a Gyro, to stop the anarchist rioters.

116 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:53:04am

re: #108 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you refering to the current riots in Greece. Do you have a link to a NEWS report? Don't send opinion.

Why muddle up a good rant with facts? Opinion works so much better.

117 LGoPs  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:53:07am

re: #110 fish

While this has nothing to do with Isalmists, Isn't it still likely that it is the result of The Bush Adminstration's Policies?

/LLL

That's so obvious it didn't even need to be said........you silly wabbit.
:)

118 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:54:08am

re: #106 Ben Hur

LOL. All the guys with the big schtick?

119 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:54:22am

re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*sniff*
*sniff*
hmmm, I haven't had lunch yet, and it smells like the caterer's here.

The troll buttocks ain't gamy enough, yet. Needs some more poking with a sharp stick to get properly seasoned.

120 patrickafir  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:54:46am

When it comes to non-Mohammedan youths, it's always anarchists or socialists – some stripe of the angry left. Not too often that you hear of neo-Whigs or supporters of Russell Kirk out in the streets pulling this crap. Funny that.

121 Abu Lahab  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:54:54am

Actually almost the same bloody riots have taken place in the eighties and in the nineties, they only seem to grow stronger
The term "youth" has become so confusing - thanks to the media.

122 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:55:21am

re: #90 Radislav

riots have everything to do with the islamist "youth"

Ummm. Radislav.. You have entered the twilight zone.. You've made 4 posts and have a -5 rating..
The meltdown lounge is to the left..the bar is to the right..
Straight ahead lies danger.

123 gregg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:55:40am

re: #110 fish

While this has nothing to do with Isalmists, Isn't it still likely that it is the result of The Bush Adminstration's Policies?

/LLL

My friends in Greece claim that that the way Bush mispronounces "gyro" has driven the youth of the country to the edge. So while it's not his policies policies that are causing the problem, Bush is still to blame.

124 OldLineTexan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:55:56am

re: #116 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why muddle up a good rant with facts? Opinion works so much better.

Is one sentence even a rant?

/

125 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:56:22am

re: #120 patrickafir

Not too often that you hear of neo-Whigs or supporters of Russell Kirk out in the streets pulling this crap.

Heh.

I also have yet to see the following sentence in a newspaper article: "Rampaging Objectivists fought running street battles with police..."

126 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:56:35am

re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans

Facts don't work in the deranged universe, so save your fingers.

I the nice lizard, I give 'em a chance while winding up with the clue bat.

127 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:56:38am

re: #119 FurryOldGuyJeans

The troll buttocks ain't gamy enough, yet. Needs some more poking with a sharp stick to get properly seasoned.

Well, only you, me and five others have poked him so far. Annefrance needs competition.

128 Abu Lahab  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:56:43am

re: #90 Radislav

riots have everything to do with the islamist "youth"

Yes, if you mean the riots in France!
Now read the article again, I suggest.

129 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:57:05am

re: #124 OldLineTexan

Is one sentence even a rant?

/

Even one word can be a rant: ChimpyMcHalliburtonBusHitler!

130 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:57:09am

re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*sniff*
*sniff*
hmmm, I haven't had lunch yet, and it smells like the caterer's here.

Awfully scrawny...... probably stringy too.

131 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:57:12am

re: #112 Occasional Reader

We Micks are very respectful during funerals. We save the brawling for the wake.

I know that this sounds bad, but some of the best parties that I have ever been to in my life were the after funeral lunches.
'Tim Finnegans Wake"

132 LGoPs  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:57:15am

re: #120 patrickafir

When it comes to non-Mohammedan youths, it's always anarchists or socialists – some stripe of the angry left. Not too often that you hear of neo-Whigs or supporters of Russell Kirk out in the streets pulling this crap. Funny that.

I seem to recall gangs of rampaging nuns terrorizing England...........er.....or maybe that was in a Monty Python skit......never mind.

133 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:57:28am

Well, fellow lizards, here's your chance for the deal of a lifetime. Not.

Obama's 2005 Chrysler 300C up for sale on eBay

Yeah it's got a Hemi.

134 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:58:01am

The starting bid? $100,000.

135 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:58:11am

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

Well, fellow lizards, here's your chance for the deal of a lifetime. Not.

Obama's 2005 Chrysler 300C up for sale on eBay

Yeah it's got a Hemi.

Yes, but does it have spinning rims?

136 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:58:30am

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, only you, me and five others have poked him so far. Annefrance needs competition.

That is being corrected as the lunch-crowd comes a'lizarding.

137 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:58:51am

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, only you, me and five others have poked him so far. Annefrance needs competition.

First poke by Silhouette and it dropped it's Cheetos, and went scampering off to momma, whining about how mean we are.

138 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:59:26am
“The government cannot handle this crisis and has lost the trust of the Greek people,” Papandreou said. “The best thing it can do is resign and let the people find a solution ... we will protect the public.”

Music to the ears of fascists.

Here's a link for political parties in Greece.

139 Bumr50  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:59:42am

re: #121 Abu Lahab

I think that on a global level youth feel powerless. And with no historical perspective, guiding principles(or at least guideposts) moral constraints, and "creative" discipline, is it really surprising?

140 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:59:49am

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

Well, fellow lizards, here's your chance for the deal of a lifetime. Not.

Obama's 2005 Chrysler 300C up for sale on eBay

Would it be rude of me to say that the vehicle looks kind of... bling bling?

141 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:00:04am

re: #135 Lizard by the Bay

Yes, but does it have spinning rims?

You ain't shit unless you got PimpStar!

142 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:00:21am

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

The starting bid? $100,000.

How much does a car like that sell for usually?

Is it a "green" car?

I don't know anything about cars (except that you have to turn that crank on the front before it will move).

143 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:00:21am

re: #138 Sharmuta

Sounds a lot like the mantra of the Dems here since 2001.

144 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:00:48am

re: #130 JCM

Awfully scrawny...... probably stringy too.

Yeah. Did you click through to his "recent comments"? #77 on the Blago thread deserves the Bong Award. Beyond fruitcake.

145 Russkilitlover  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:01:10am

re: #80 Ben Hur

Saudi Cleric Vs Women's Rights Activist

Wow. Talk about arguing based on a bad premise!

146 Bumr50  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:01:33am

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Maybe you can ask the 'Czar'?:)

147 CalBear84  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:02:06am
148 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:03:03am

Hey, gang. If you're in for lunch, here it is ... #90 Radislav

Leave a good tip.

149 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:04:20am

re: #133 Ward Cleaver
Ah SHIT!
Its a dead ringer for the wifes car!
Now we'll have to sell it!
No way worth more than 28,000!

150 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:05:14am

re: #144 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah. Did you click through to his "recent comments"? #77 on the Blago thread deserves the Bong Award. Beyond fruitcake.

Hahahah!

Somebody's sock me thinks.........
Nobody could be that..... oh, wait, some are.

151 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:06:43am

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

How much does a car like that sell for usually?

Is it a "green" car?

I don't know anything about cars (except that you have to turn that crank on the front before it will move).

Kelly Blue Book shows an average value for a 2005 to be $16,550 - $22,135.

152 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:08:03am

re: #149 reloadingisnotahobby

Ah SHIT!
Its a dead ringer for the wifes car!
Now we'll have to sell it!
No way worth more than 28,000!

Someone is cashing in on Our Messiah-King.

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:08:32am

oooh ... we have a video thread on Blago's arrest!
Slobber!

154 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:10:59am

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Would it be rude of me to say that the vehicle looks kind of... bling bling?

Pimp my ride?

155 therewaslight  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:11:00am

None of you understand the riots, or the European political landscape.

The riots are anger against corrupt, unaccountable Greek government that is putting European Union economic rules before what is best for the Greek people, specifically the poor. Link.

You must understand the European Union is more a movement of the political left than it is one of the right.

It is anti-democratic, having hollowed out state's representative democracies with an EU-law making bureaucratic Obama machine, which legislates 70% of what is interesting, in a way that is efficient only for retaining the gravy train of multiculturalist elites in Brussels.

Wake up, America.

156 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:11:38am

re: #135 Lizard by the Bay

Yes, but does it have spinning rims?

I'll bet no astroturf. Why do I get the impression that he was not hot with the ladies?

157 Buck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:12:06am

re: #95 Alouette

OT

I was shopping yesterday at Marshall's, which is one of my favorite stores, BUT, they play the absolutely crappiest Christmas muzak ever recorded over their store speakers.

They played this utterly ghastly "jazz style" rendition of "Jingle Bells," in which some song stylist adds a whole bunch of nonsense syllables randomly to each song lyric, and it just goes on and on and on at top volume.

I almost ran screaming out of the store.

They play crappy muzak the rest of the year too. Who chooses this stuff?

I worked for a call center for two years. At Christmas, during an 8 hour shift you would hear little drummer boy at least 20 times.

Now if I hear anyone rutatat tum ... well lets just say I am not legally responsible for what happens...

158 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:18:47am

Here's the web site for Golden Dawn- the Greek Nazis.

Here it is translated.

And on the left sidebar you can see their newspaper. Here's the image, with that "meaningless" symbol displayed.

159 faraway  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:19:01am
Amid the riots, about 10,000 protesters from the Communist Party of Greece and the Coalition of the Left marched to protest the teenager's death.

Coalition leader Alexis Tsipras said the shooting resulted in "a spontaneous youthful uprising."

160 uptight  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:21:24am

hmm...it must have down to a blasphemous cartoon of Archbishop Makarios.

161 mean Gene  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:25:43am

How do you burn down ruins?
Or are the ruins sacred to the anarchists?
I've seen Greece years ago and everybody I met who lived there at the time seemed to be stuffed into all of these horrid similar white huge crumbling apartment buildings.
I wouldn't want to live there at all.
Don't apartement owners ever spackle or paint, upgrade the wiring or plumbing there?
The places I visited were awful!

162 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:26:33am

but the simple fact is that this horrible violence has nothing to do with Islamic immigrants


Not yet anyway but its early,I imagine the first mosque that has a window broken or the first muslim yout that gets tear gassed could change that.

163 Swpaul  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:30:59am

I suspect the same will happen in Greece that happened in France back in the 1960's. People will be disgusted by the anarchists and far-left and will vote for right-wing candidates in droves.

164 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:37:55am

Gonna be some unhappy folks in St. Louis. Wonder if they'll riot, too.

Anheuser-Busch InBev cuts about 1,400 U.S. jobs

Now known as Anheuser-Busch InBev, the Belgian-Brazilian brewer said about 75% of the cuts would come in St. Louis at the U.S. beer maker's headquarters and downtown offices. Some field offices and brewery locations will also feel the ax while 250 open positions will not be filled and 415 contractor jobs will be eliminated.
Most of the job losses will come by the end of this year

I knew there would be trouble once I quit drinking. Sorry, guys.

165 funky chicken  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:48:16am

re: #15 Babydoc97

These left wing temper tantrums are beyond tiresome. At what point does a society come to grips with the reality that we are committing national suicide if we don't answer these spoiled brat hissy fits with deadly force? If these animals throwing firebombs are too stupid to figure out that rioting and mayhem serve no useful purpose - or in the case of the anarchists only serves to create pointless, bloody chaos - then unleash the dogs of war and rid us of more socialist deadbeats so the rest of us can get on with being productive for our fellow man.

+1

166 funky chicken  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:50:28am

re: #164 razorbacker

I didn't know A-B was now a Belgian/Brazilian company. Why on earth is it a surprise if European and South American executives don't give a damn about American workers? This whole rush to cash out of America by so many corporations bums me out.

167 Thanos  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:52:42am

The thing most worthy of noting here is that the population of Greece is by high estimates about 1.3 percent muslim, with the great bulk of those living on some islands and outlying towns. The bulk of the Muslim population in Greece is not in Athens, where the rioting is going on. While some muslim asylum seekers have joined in and there is footage of them, they are not the driving force behind the large scale riots.

168 Maine's Michael  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:53:38am

Interesting. I had assumed the rioting was related to the chronic 'o' and 'u' shortages in Greece.

169 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:59:53am

Someone here posted a link on an earlier thread to something which claimed that the rioters were yelling Allahu Akbar. Maybe that person could repost that link if they are around.

170 Radislav  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:00:51pm

for those who know how to click a profile link yay for you..the relevance of how many post I have made is irrelevant

The marks against me is nothing more the the way Digg operates...I get dug down for making a comment sounds a lot like the left is alive and well here.

as for my comment yes riots initially were due to the death of the one youth ongoing riots are due to

[Link: ibloga.blogspot.com...]

as for me being troll bait don't think so

171 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:05:46pm

re: #170 Radislav

for those who know how to click a profile link yay for you..the relevance of how many post I have made is irrelevant

The marks against me is nothing more the the way Digg operates...I get dug down for making a comment sounds a lot like the left is alive and well here.

Yes, how dare people have an opinion about your post, and express it! The nerve of some folks...

172 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:07:25pm

re: #170 Radislav

Looks like I'm gonna have to find something else for lunch. This one's buttocks aren't even gamey enough for one Lizard.

173 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:07:34pm

re: #170 Radislav

[Link: ibloga.blogspot.com...]

Yes, that's the link I saw posted by someone else on the earlier thread. It is rather misleading, is it not?

174 Sacred Plants  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:07:58pm

This will go on as long as one single policeman dispatched to protestors continues to imagine himself standing above the law:

December 2008. Exarchia. A special guard, nicknamed “Rambo,” kills Alexandros Grigoropoulos. The bullet hits the 15-year-old in the chest. Eyewitnesses say the policeman executed the young man in cold blood following a quite ordinary verbal exchange, and immediately left with his colleague, as the boy lay dying.

Meanwhile, one of the cop´s lawyers resigned due to conscious objections against representing "such a client."

If democracy allows rackets of criminal police to pursue their violent fantasies, then anarchy can only be better.

175 Radislav  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:09:14pm

its not that they have opinions its how they go about it expressing them labeling me without an ounce of knowledge,the left labels people too hmm imagine that

176 Thanos  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:11:25pm

re: #169 Spare O'Lake

Someone here posted a link on an earlier thread to something which claimed that the rioters were yelling Allahu Akbar. Maybe that person could repost that link if they are around.

It's in the top links section, some of the rioters are now yelling that. They weren't the first couple of days. The rioters who started in the third day were muslim asylum seekers, but the broader, massive riots in downtown Athens etc. are the usual anarcho-marxist suspects, and just criminals at large taking advantage. It doesn't help that such a large percent of Greek 20-25 yr olds are all living on the dole.

177 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:12:04pm

re: #176 Thanos

It's in the top links section, some of the rioters are now yelling that. They weren't the first couple of days. The rioters who started in the third day were muslim asylum seekers, but the broader, massive riots in downtown Athens etc. are the usual anarcho-marxist suspects, and just criminals at large taking advantage. It doesn't help that such a large percent of Greek 20-25 yr olds are all living on the dole.

ARE YOU LISTENING, RADISLAV?!

178 cagney  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:12:05pm

re: #43 CIA Reject

Interesting titbit I found on the EU Referendum blog a wee while back that suggested that the old Soviet union had been financing radical Islamic groups in the UK in order to destabilise the country. I tried to do a google on it but never came up with any concrete evidence. Here's the link to EU referendum blog and quote:

[Link: eureferendum2.blogspot.com...]

Quote:
"However, one must move on. There was an interesting point made in all the obituaries. In the 1970s Charles Elwell moved from counter-espionage to counter-subversion where he produced evidence, which was necessarily tentative, of widespread Soviet activity in the field of subversion. His bosses decided that he was exaggerating and he left the Service in sheer frustration.

Subsequently, he managed to find a useful outlet in the Institute for the Study of Conflict, where he published regular background briefings, which were considered by the authorities to be exaggerated. Even now, after much of what Charles Elwell said has been confirmed by the documents extracted from the KGB archives and published during those few years when it was possible, the obituaries still seem to agree with those MI5 bosses. One cannot help feeling that it is still considered to be somewhat infra dig to be digging into what the Soviets were really up to in all those decades.

The trouble that subversion and its close relation, agents of influence, come under the heading of “unknown unknowns”, considered to be unsuitable for our security agents and, these days when we no longer have institutes for the study of conflict or terrorism or any suchlike matter, even for analysts outside the system.

So we have a situation in which all warnings of Soviet subversion, including the stories that Islamic groups were being funded, armed and trained, were largely ignored or placed into the “exaggeration” file. Others tell that warnings from the early nineties that odd things were happening in some of the British mosques were also filed among the exaggerated “unknown unknowns”.
"

179 kingkenrod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:18:34pm

re: #174 Sacred Plants

This will go on as long as one single policeman dispatched to protestors continues to imagine himself standing above the law:

Meanwhile, one of the cop´s lawyers resigned due to conscious objections against representing "such a client."

If democracy allows rackets of criminal police to pursue their violent fantasies, then anarchy can only be better.

Another report said Grigoropoulos was about to firebomb the cop car.

I don't see Greek democracy allowing gangs of criminal police so far - every politician quoted so far has convicted the cops without evidence or a trial. Sometimes a mistake is just a mistake and riots are never justified.

180 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:20:26pm

re: #170 Radislav

Contrary posts are quite welcome.

If you have an opinion BACK IT UP!

Number of posts do matter. When a person with a track record of accurcacy over 4 years and thousands of posts, post something I know the source.

We don't know you. You have to earn your scales.

181 Thanos  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:21:29pm

re: #179 kingkenrod

Another report said Grigoropoulos was about to firebomb the cop car.

I don't see Greek democracy allowing gangs of criminal police so far - every politician quoted so far has convicted the cops without evidence or a trial. Sometimes a mistake is just a mistake and riots are never justified.

He's also the son of a prominent banker, fits that profile like Ayers doesn't he?

Here's a link to a recent story:

[Link: libcom.org...]

182 cagney  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:25:08pm

There's riots in Spain

[Link: africa.reuters.com...]

"MADRID, Dec 8 (Reuters) - Rioting immigrants set fire to cars, shops and rubbish containers in a town in southern Spain overnight after a Malian was stabbed to death while being mugged, police said on Monday.

A Civil Guard statement said Sega S., 24, was stabbed on Sunday night and died from his injuries early on Monday. Police arrested three Moroccans, one of them the suspected killer.

After the stabbing, a score of angry sub-Saharan immigrants gathered in La Mojonera, in southern Almeria province, and started fires in shops and rubbish bins.

Police in riot gear were deployed to quell the riot and arrested two men from Ivory Coast and one from Guinea Bissau.

There were similar riots in September in nearby Roquetas de Mar after a Senegalese man was stabbed to death when he tried to intervene in a dispute.

Many emigrants from sub-Saharan Africa drown or die of exposure trying to cross the Straits of Gibraltar to Spain aboard small vessels and flimsy rafts in the hope of finding a better life in Europe.

Some five million of Spain's 45 million population are immigrants, many of whom found work in a 12-year construction boom that has collapsed in the last year.

Spain's unemployment rate is now the highest in the European Union, and the government has said it will pay unemployed foreigners to go home, an offer few seem to have taken up. "

183 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:26:38pm

re: #170 Radislav

for those who know how to click a profile link yay for you..the relevance of how many post I have made is irrelevant

The marks against me is nothing more the the way Digg operates...I get dug down for making a comment sounds a lot like the left is alive and well here.

as for my comment yes riots initially were due to the death of the one youth ongoing riots are due to

[Link: ibloga.blogspot.com...]

as for me being troll bait don't think so

Poor little you. So persecuted.

The left is alive and well here? Exactly HOW far to the right are YOU?

I asked if you had proof from a NEWS source that the riots were caused by (your words) "islamist youth". You offer this opinion post, which I've seen before. I also watched the video earlier. It has nothing to do with the riots.

I call bullshit on your (since-deleted) assertion up-thread.

184 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:28:12pm

re: #183 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Poor little you. So persecuted.

The left is alive and well here? Exactly HOW far to the right are YOU?

I asked if you had proof from a NEWS source that the riots were caused by (your words) "islamist youth". You offer this opinion post, which I've seen before. I also watched the video earlier. It has nothing to do with the riots.

I call bullshit on your (since-deleted) assertion up-thread.

Ohhh, offhand I'd say GoV and VB right......

185 Thanos  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:29:05pm

My point is that people shouldn't have blinkers on, the Euro anarchists are a dangerous force as well. To ignore that threat if you are European is very short sighted, because that's where the next large war in Europe will originate from when it comes. The past two hundred years of Euro history has been the war between the black and the red, Islam's not going to change that much. Some of these factions you can trace all the way back to Napoleonic times.

186 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:30:53pm

re: #175 Radislav

its not that they have opinions its how they go about it expressing them labeling me without an ounce of knowledge,the left labels people too hmm imagine that

(1) you are drunk, or stoned,
(2) English isn't your primary language (which is fine),
(3) you haven't a clue about grammar and punctuation, or
(4) you simply don't give a shit.

My hunch says, #4.
Intuition also says that you bring your troubles onto yourself.

When you grow up, come back and see us.

187 Thanos  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:31:17pm

re: #182 cagney

There's riots in Spain

[Link: africa.reuters.com...]

"MADRID, Dec 8 (Reuters) - Rioting immigrants set fire to cars, shops and rubbish containers in a town in southern Spain overnight after a Malian was stabbed to death while being mugged, police said on Monday.

A Civil Guard statement said Sega S., 24, was stabbed on Sunday night and died from his injuries early on Monday. Police arrested three Moroccans, one of them the suspected killer.

After the stabbing, a score of angry sub-Saharan immigrants gathered in La Mojonera, in southern Almeria province, and started fires in shops and rubbish bins.

Police in riot gear were deployed to quell the riot and arrested two men from Ivory Coast and one from Guinea Bissau.

There were similar riots in September in nearby Roquetas de Mar after a Senegalese man was stabbed to death when he tried to intervene in a dispute.

Many emigrants from sub-Saharan Africa drown or die of exposure trying to cross the Straits of Gibraltar to Spain aboard small vessels and flimsy rafts in the hope of finding a better life in Europe.

Some five million of Spain's 45 million population are immigrants, many of whom found work in a 12-year construction boom that has collapsed in the last year.

Spain's unemployment rate is now the highest in the European Union, and the government has said it will pay unemployed foreigners to go home, an offer few seem to have taken up. "

There's no doubt that Spain has a serious, serious problem there. Greece is not Spain however, and Greece would be the last EU country I would look at as having a big issue. (it goes back to 1923)

188 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:32:24pm

re: #184 JCM

Ohhh, offhand I'd say GoV and VB right......

I can't see that far.
Are they over the horizon?
Are they 800 miles north of the Galapagos Islands?
/without a paddle, of course

189 cagney  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:32:50pm

re: #185 Thanos

The sad thing is that most of the folk in our government in the UK are ex communists and anarchists. The same can be said of many European centre/left governments.

190 SFTech  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:35:24pm

I've read that this was a shooting over a youth...
I've read that this was a shooting over a youth...
I've read that this was a shooting over a youth...
I've read that this was a shooting over a youth...

Then in the last paragraph they indicated that the police shot the youth who was about to throw a petrol bomb at them. If this is the case, I say if cause I can't verify, wasn't he justified in protecting himself. Are the current police under attach justified in protecting themselves?

This is just plain stuck on stupid. Give the Greek police more guns and bullets and let them have at the petrol bomb throwing thugs.

191 johnnygriswold  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:35:25pm

i was SHOCKED that "youths" didn't mean muslims.

are these riots cartoon related?

192 cagney  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:37:03pm

re: #187 Thanos

Every EU country has had unrestricted immigration from outside the EU and unlimited movement of EU citizens inside it. This has resulted in the movement of cheap labour to areas where it is required. This has been acceptable in the good times but now that most if not all EU countries, are in recession and folk are losing their jobs left, right and centre, this is where the problems start especially with the far right groups stirring things up.

193 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:37:50pm

re: #190 SFTech

Some of the Paris riots where because the youts ran, hopped a fence and electrocuted themselves in a substation.

According to the "protesters" it was the police's fault for chasing them.

194 SpaceJesus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:40:21pm

We need order in the streets, the government won't protect you. Only I can.

Sounds just like the Brown Shirts. God I hate Europe sometimes.

195 Mardukhai  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:51:23pm

I have studied modern Greek historiy extensively.

My conclusion: They spent so much time under the Ottoman Turks that they came to act like Turks -- dumb, nasty, and racist. Their racism, ethnocentrism, anti-Americanism, and fondness for various conspiracy theories knows no limits.

While, yes, the "youths" weren't muslim per se, they acted in the muslim tradition of the Ottoman Empire -- dumb, nasty, and violent.

196 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:52:58pm

re: #193 JCM

Some of the Paris riots where because the youts ran, hopped a fence and electrocuted themselves in a substation.
According to the "protesters" it was the police's fault for chasing them.

In Canada we hardly ever have riots.
I was once at a Nazi demonstration in Toronto in the '60's which turned into a mini-riot when a few thousand Jews showed up, chased the Nazis around for a while, beat the living crap out of a few of them, and then everyone went home happy.
Now THAT was a riot.

197 Thanos  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 12:54:27pm

re: #192 cagney

Every EU country has had unrestricted immigration from outside the EU and unlimited movement of EU citizens inside it. This has resulted in the movement of cheap labour to areas where it is required. This has been acceptable in the good times but now that most if not all EU countries, are in recession and folk are losing their jobs left, right and centre, this is where the problems start especially with the far right groups stirring things up.

Yes, and it has as much to do with Eastern Euro immigration as it does with Islamic immigration, e.g. the attacks on the Roms in Italy recently.

198 cagney  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #197 Thanos

When I first joined LGF I naively proclaimed that I have no fear of the Islamic problem as it was another cyclic social event that we would overcome.

Since then, as I've understood politics more, I have come to realise that in the UK and most of Europe there is a constant war between the left and the right that is never really won. In the past the war between left and right was about class but now it has shifted to race with the lefts dangerous embrace with Islam.

I'm pessimistic that things will not turn out well as the far-right is taking up the vacant space that the traditional right has vacated in their movement to the centre.

199 J.S.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:17:55pm

re: #187 Thanos

There was a BBC program (this was prior to the riots by the anarchists) about Greece and its illegal migrants problem...(note that there are, according to the BBC, 80,000 illegal migrants in Athens who arrived this year alone...The EU has also decided to put forth new standards with respect to "asylum seekers." The EU has identified the "worst" states -- Italy, Greece, Spain -- and wants these states to improve conditions for "migrants." The BBC is also reporting that the riots have now spread well beyond Athens -- the Beeb has a map...)

200 SFTech  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:18:17pm

re: #193 JCM

I was just looking at pictures on FNC where the "YOUTHS" (masked thugs) are throwing "ROCKS" (cement blocks).

Is that not reason to shoot them? If not what is?

201 J.S.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:27:54pm

re: #200 SFTech

Unfortunately, due to the past history of Greece, the army cannot be called in to quell the riots. (It goes back to the days of the dictatorship and a nasty junta.)...wiki article.

202 Solomon2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:58:49pm

A Greek professor of mine, one "in" with politicians back home, tried to explain it to me once: the Greek leftist students put the American left to shame in the shamelessness department: back then, in the 80s, the Greek students would go on strike for higher pay and the right to stay in tourist accomodations. So little "real" studying got done, the prof took his best students to the States.

But the strikes and stuff were all a kind of game, not meant to be taken seriously. That's why the reaction was so fierce, I guess, because by shooting and killing one of the demonstrators at unwritten rule had been broken. I wonder how it's all going to get sorted out?

203 kansas  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:07pm

Roll a cartoon of Mohammed out there and see what happens. Just to see don't you know?

204 Thanos  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:32:09pm

re: #199 J.S.

There was a BBC program (this was prior to the riots by the anarchists) about Greece and its illegal migrants problem...(note that there are, according to the BBC, 80,000 illegal migrants in Athens who arrived this year alone...The EU has also decided to put forth new standards with respect to "asylum seekers." The EU has identified the "worst" states -- Italy, Greece, Spain -- and wants these states to improve conditions for "migrants." The BBC is also reporting that the riots have now spread well beyond Athens -- the Beeb has a map...)

Even with that number assuming that 100 percent of the illegal immigrants are Muslim it's still less than 2% of population in Greece, and most are not in Athens. No doubt countries in the EU need to be wary on immigration, no doubt there are problems with specific groups of Islamists in Europe, however every flame does not come from that. I just don't want people guarding a candle when the boiler is about to blow. Some are using Islamophobia as a foil, we all know that, so crying wolf at sight of bear doesn't aid matters.

205 his royal highness  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:20:39pm

Greece has a small Muslim minority of ethnic Turks concentrated in the province of Western Thrace. They are the remnants of the population exchanges between Greece and Turkey in the 1920's and under the Lausanne treaty were excluded from the population exchange. I believed the population is around 120,000.

206 talon_262  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:27:09pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Would it be rude of me to say that the vehicle looks kind of... bling bling?

Actually, it looks pretty stock...the rims might be aftermarket, but still fits the stock look IMO.

207 talon_262  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:35:04pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

How much does a car like that sell for usually?

Is it a "green" car?

I don't know anything about cars (except that you have to turn that crank on the front before it will move).

Hell no, that car ain't "green"...things got a 5.7L Hemi in it! To be truthful though, I wouldn't mind a 300C with a Hemi myself...

208 talon_262  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:42:56pm

re: #159 faraway

With more than a little prodding to action from the "adults", I'll bet...

209 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:03:14pm

The Vlaams Belang spin will be, I assume:

"Well, sure, the youths making all the trouble in this case happen to be native-born Europeans. And, sure, nearly all of them are baptized Christians. And, sure, we'd usually say that they're [airquotes] white [/airquotes] . But -- and this is the key point -- they're swarthy whites! I mean, if they got any swarthier, they'd be f*ckin' Walloons!"

210 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:09:58pm

re: #209 Throbert McGee

The Vlaams Belang spin will be, I assume:

... sure, nearly all of them are baptized Christians ...

Note: If you're an ethnic Greek who lives in Greece and you're not an active practitioner of some non-Christian religion such as Judaism or Islam, you have your kids baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church -- even if you're the world's biggest atheist and your kids never set foot inside a church again. It's just a pro forma expectation.

211 J.S.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:20:44pm

re: #204 Thanos

There are any number of ways in which such events can be politicized and misread. Riots are always open to various interpretations and "uses" by political groups. To ignore any tensions due to a problem with migrants in Greece is another way to ignore reality (even the BBC is not ignoring it -- CNN, yes). But, obviously, the other (perhaps worse?) extremist misreading would be to allege that it's due to Islamic violence...(which I don't believe anyone is saying, with the exception of the neo-nazi type fringe groups.) (It does appear that the conservative government of Greece will probably fall and be replaced by the Socialists...from what I've read, the conservatives had a number of ongoing problems, including corruption, etc., etc, which is infuriating a good number of Greeks...and it looks as if their demise is at hand.)

212 marsl  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:35:15pm

I wonder: when will the radical left (communists+anarchists) make a peaceful demonstration? All they know to do is violent demonstrations...

And after that, they complaint being beaten by riot police.... when they will learn that riot police will not kick their asses if they behave peacefully?

At least, here in Portugal, riot police does not go in bs. Many anarchists wannabes had a third-kind-encounter with a riot police stick..... courtesy of the anti-riot squad of Portuguese police. That surely had "opened" their heads... and refreshed their minds.

213 Mosse  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:18:09pm

re: #199 J.S.

There was a BBC program (this was prior to the riots by the anarchists) about Greece and its illegal migrants problem...(note that there are, according to the BBC, 80,000 illegal migrants in Athens who arrived this year alone...The EU has also decided to put forth new standards with respect to "asylum seekers." The EU has identified the "worst" states -- Italy, Greece, Spain -- and wants these states to improve conditions for "migrants." The BBC is also reporting that the riots have now spread well beyond Athens -- the Beeb has a map...)

I agree -- here's another link to the story:

This is an issue of "both/and", not "either/or." Also, don't forget the number of Black Bloc participants in "anarchist" events. Black Bloc are primarily Nazis and fascists (committed ones); bottom line for them is temporary affiliation with whomever takes down Western civ first.

214 shambug  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:32:34pm

Thanks Charles. Because, I was wondering just that. Are these Muslims? And I didn't find that answer anywhere else. Once again you prove to be a vital source of information for those of us who care to read it.
Are there any reporters left?
It's like we're in a news desert here.

215 Basho  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:37:20pm

re: #214 shambug

The news reports I saw made it clear that these were young leftists and anarchists. Guess I got lucky =D

216 deacon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:33:10am

My in-laws live in Athens and I spent the summer visiting it. The communist party is very strong in Greece. All the cities have offices and as you drive down various roads you will see their slogins painted everywhere, even in the countryside on cliff faces. The students are very into the socialist movement because they do not want to work. Greece also has a growing immigrant population from Albany that is behind a lot of the problems you see going on (I am not sure if the Albanians are muslim or christians fleeing, but they are causing problems because of their poverty.)

217 Sacred Plants  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 8:49:54am

re: #179 kingkenrod

Another report said Grigoropoulos was about to firebomb the cop car.

Why?

I don't see Greek democracy allowing gangs of criminal police so far - every politician quoted so far has convicted the cops without evidence or a trial.

The fact that a significant share of the people trusts the rioters more than the cops indicates that the latter have been behaving quite bad to the people recently, or at least worse than the rioters.

Sometimes a mistake is just a mistake and riots are never justified.

Your word in the Dalai Lama´s ear.

218 Ty85719  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:04:08pm
this horrible violence has nothing to do with Islamic immigrants and everything to do with Greece’s home-grown anarchist left

Maybe partly so, but there are clearly 2 seperate groups of rioters: The anarchists/socialists...and the African immigrants

219 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:34:40pm

You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would even imagine that Islam had anything to do with the rioting in Greece.....scan down to the photo of the rioter with the kiffaya (sp?) over her face and the riot police shoving her.....here:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


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