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By popular demand, it’s the return of the son of the 50-foot open thread…

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1 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:38:29pm

Boob thread

2 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:38:47pm

I'm open to an open thread.

3 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:39:11pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boob thread

re: #2 newsjunkie_ky

I'm open to an open thread.

Why not combine the two?

4 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:39:32pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boob thread

Physical or mental?
There's still the Carter thread...

5 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:39:36pm
the son of the 50-foot open thread

String theory?

6 Hard Right  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:39:55pm

I am closed to a closed thread.

7 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:40:17pm

Check out Michelle Malkin's "Blagobama Caption Contest"!

8 LGoPs  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:40:23pm

I've always wanted to be in on the opening of a new thread but now that I'm here, I can't think of anything to say...sheesh

9 stuiec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:40:32pm

How long until Mugabe gets a hug from Carter?

10 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:40:59pm

It can't be OT since there is no T, but I paid $1.48 for gas this morning.

11 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:41:07pm

Did anyone watch the finale of "Boston Legal" last night?

12 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:41:28pm

The tapeworm of threads.

13 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:41:40pm

Speaking of Boobs. I have been watching " Charlie Wilson War" on HBO or one of them stations. If his staff was anything like what is represented in the Movie, man he must have been something!

14 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:41:51pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boob thread

Not with that 50-foot thing.

15 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:41:52pm

Alright, here's the first boobie picture of today.

16 Russkilitlover  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:42:09pm

Imagine getting a phone call first thing in the a.m. "You home?" "Yes." "We're coming to arrest you."

Things just get worse from there. Certainly no oyster's Rockefeller and champagne for din-din tonight.

17 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:42:09pm

re: #10 DeafDog

It can't be OT since there is no T, but I paid $1.48 for gas this morning.

But did you stay in a Holiday Inn Express?

18 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:42:51pm

re: #9 stuiec

How long until Mugabe gets a hug from Carter?

As soon as 0bama's calls up 0dinga to arrange for a ticket.

19 wee fury  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:42:51pm

Holly Jolly Christmas everyone.

20 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:01pm

re: #15 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Alright, here's the first boobie picture of today.

cool colors...

21 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:07pm

re: #16 Russkilitlover

Imagine getting a phone call first thing in the a.m. "You home?" "Yes." "We're coming to arrest you."

Things just get worse from there. Certainly no oyster's Rockefeller and champagne for din-din tonight.

Well maybe. When is he being arraigned?

22 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:14pm

re: #10 DeafDog

It can't be OT since there is no T, but I paid $1.48 for gas this morning.

Filled my tank for less than $20 last week

23 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:14pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boob thread

You're throwing the probability function all off.

p = n/1000

where:
p = probability that breasts or guns will be mentioned
n = number of posts in a thread.

The p was only 0.001!

24 jorline  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:20pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boob thread

Coming from a Jimmy Carter thread to a boob thread...sounds redundant.
/

25 stuiec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:30pm

re: #7 gmsc

Check out Michelle Malkin's "Blagobama Caption Contest"!

Interesting... Jesse Jackson wants to castrate him, Blagojevich wants to sodomize him... Obama isn't terribly popular among Chicago pols, is he? Or is it that his sheer animal magnetism inspires uncontrollable sexual thoughts in them?

26 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:47pm

I TIVOed it re: #11 LizardBennet

Did anyone watch the finale of "Boston Legal" last night?

27 mikeymom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:43:58pm

re: #11 LizardBennet

yes--it was hilarious! gonna miss that show!

28 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:44:40pm

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Filled my tank for less than $20 last week

In college, I had an 8 gallon tank. I never could get the free coffee at the gas station across the street with every $8 gas purchase unless I came in on fumes and bought silver.

29 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:44:45pm

It is such a nice day here, I almost feel guilty.

30 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:44:47pm

re: #16 Russkilitlover

Imagine getting a phone call first thing in the a.m. "You home?" "Yes." "We're coming to arrest you."

Things just get worse from there. Certainly no oyster's Rockefeller and champagne for din-din tonight.

He's out on bail. I'm betting that there is a liquid dinner tonight.

And a hangover tomorrow.

31 stuiec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:44:56pm

re: #14 MandyManners

Not with that 50-foot thing.

Especially with that 50-foot thing.

32 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:45:08pm

re: #7 gmsc

Check out Michelle Malkin's "Blagobama Caption Contest"!

Ayers+Rezko+Blago= Lions and Tigers and Bears, with Daley as the Wizard and Obama as Dorothy. Coming soon to a nightmare near you.

33 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:45:10pm

re: #9 stuiec

How long until Mugabe gets a hug from Carter?

perhaps when Mugabe actually lets Carter into the country? Mugabe rejected him and Koffi last month.

34 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:45:12pm

re: #10 DeafDog

It can't be OT since there is no T, but I paid $1.48 for gas this morning.

You only bought one gallon?

35 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:45:15pm

re: #26 apachegunner

Oh, since you Tivo'd I won't spoiler -- it was funny but part of it seriously pissed me off.

36 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:45:29pm

re: #28 Silhouette
the answer is easy, when the tank filled up just run the extra gas on the ground :>)

37 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:45:45pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boob thread

You wish.

38 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:45:54pm

re: #33 Outrider

perhaps when Mugabe actually lets Carter into the country? Mugabe rejected him and Koffi last month.

And who are we rooting for in that cat fight?

39 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:46:01pm

re: #35 LizardBennet

Oh, since you Tivo'd I won't spoiler -- it was funny but part of it seriously pissed me off.

I'm still trying to figure out what the deal was with the mime and the stripper

40 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:46:06pm

re: #10 DeafDog

It can't be OT since there is no T, but I paid $1.48 for gas this morning.

Just remember with some sadness that Venezuela and Iran can't afford to expand their militaries with prices so low.

41 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:46:07pm

re: #27 mikeymom
Yeah, it was funny -- but last night struck a nerve and made me mad

42 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:46:11pm

I like open threads, where one may be exposed without being embarrassed nor threatened.

43 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:46:13pm

Charles should quick posting open threads. We've got a real Jihad in the world to fight, open threads do nothing to further that fight. Beside "open" is exclusionary, it excludes those who are closed minded from participating.

///

44 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:46:33pm

re: #17 lifeofthemind

But did you stay in a Holiday Inn Express?

No, but I stopped by there for a free breakfast afterwards...just kidding.

45 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:46:35pm

re: #35 LizardBennet

Oh, since you Tivo'd I won't spoiler -- it was funny but part of it seriously pissed me off.


oooh nooo mr bill

46 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:46:53pm

re: #40 David IV of Georgia

Just remember with some sadness that Venezuela and Iran can't afford to expand their militaries with prices so low.

Don't leave Russia off that list.

47 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:47:07pm

re: #11 LizardBennet

Did anyone watch the finale of "Boston Legal" last night?

Yes. The butler did it.

48 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:47:24pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm still trying to figure out what the deal was with the mime and the stripper


stop it!

49 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:47:25pm

re: #16 Russkilitlover

Imagine getting a phone call first thing in the a.m. "You home?" "Yes." "We're coming to arrest you."

Things just get worse from there. Certainly no oyster's Rockefeller and champagne for din-din tonight.

Why didn't he change clothes if he had warning? No way would I do the perp walk in work-out clothes.

50 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:47:30pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Mimes piss me off
/

51 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:47:33pm

re: #36 apachegunner

the answer is easy, when the tank filled up just run the extra gas on the ground :>)

Then some environmental consulting firm gets to write the reports on the spill, cleanup, risk, proposed plan, record of decision, etc.

52 gregg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:47:37pm

Note to Californians: Bundle up.

Rare 50 year Arctic Blast Sets Sights On Southern California

With a warm November, Southern California is finally ready for cold storms to make their way in. Resort level snow will be likely next week, and in pretty hefty amounts if things stay on track. OWSweather.com Meteorologist Kevin Martin predicts a 50 year event. While Martin is usually conservative on these events, the pattern highly favors it. “We are in a pre-1950 type pattern, “said Martin. “We know we are due for a winter storm sometime this year. The type we may be dealing with will be ranked up there with the known years before 1950, which set record low daytime temperatures into the forecast region. With this, may come low elevation snow.”

53 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:47:45pm

What about Alf's dad being caught on video tape preforming homosexual acts and smoking in a crack house?

(I have exorcised the demons, this thread is clear)

54 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:48:05pm

re: #47 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes. The butler did it.

Vader is Luke's father.

55 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:48:12pm

re: #25 stuiec

Interesting... Jesse Jackson wants to castrate him, Blagojevich wants to sodomize him... Obama isn't terribly popular among Chicago pols, is he? Or is it that his sheer animal magnetism inspires uncontrollable sexual thoughts in them?

Honest I always thought Daley wanted to get Obama out of town, to Springfield or Washington, because he know that BO would attract unwelcome attention.

56 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:48:25pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK

57 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:48:43pm

re: #38 Nevergiveup

And who are we rooting for in that cat fight?

Seeing as they are both 84? Won't be a long one by any means. ;-)>

58 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:48:49pm

re: #53 Ben Hur

What about Alf's dad being caught on video tape preforming homosexual acts and smoking in a crack house?

(I have exorcised the demons, this thread is clear)

Are we sure it was Alf's dad and not Joe Liberman?

59 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:48:55pm

re: #54 Silhouette

Vader is Luke's father.

Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.

60 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:03pm

re: #13 Nevergiveup

Not a bad show in comparison to most now. Actually has a bad guy that isn't America/Republican/Conservative.
I remember near the end a line that I keep recalling. Speaking of leaving Afghanistan to it's own devices after the Soviets were defeated, someone in the movie said"And the ball keeps on bouncing." Kinda connects the dots to today and a damn good argument to finish the job in Iraq.

61 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:11pm

re: #51 Silhouette

Then some environmental consulting firm gets to write the reports on the spill, cleanup, risk, proposed plan, record of decision, etc.


yeah, keep those fuckers busy.

62 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:12pm

re: #55 lifeofthemind

Honest I always thought Daley wanted to get Obama out of town, to Springfield or Washington, because he know that BO would attract unwelcome attention.

I had the same problem, until I switched to Speed Stick.

63 kcladderman  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:22pm

re: #10 DeafDog

It can't be OT since there is no T, but I paid $1.48 for gas this morning.

1.33 in Kansas City

64 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:26pm

re: #7 gmsc

Check out Michelle Malkin's "Blagobama Caption Contest"!


I agree with the commentor who points out how fast the MSM declared that The One has no connection to this, whereas, had this been Bush...

65 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:36pm

re: #54 Silhouette
The Irish guy's girlfriend is really a guy.

66 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:36pm

re: #49 MandyManners

Why didn't he change clothes if he had warning? No way would I do the perp walk in work-out clothes.

makes it easier for the strip search.

67 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:48pm

re: #59 gmsc

Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.

The boat sank?

68 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:49:57pm

re: #49 MandyManners

Why didn't he change clothes if he had warning? No way would I do the perp walk in work-out clothes.

Well they were at his front door when they called. It wasn't like sure shower and shave first. It was like come down and open the door before we break it down and terrorize your wife and kids.

69 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:50:01pm

re: #59 gmsc

Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.

It was all an autistic child's dream.

70 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:50:16pm

re: #31 stuiec

Especially with that 50-foot thing.

Must be hell trying to find a good ob-gyn.

71 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:50:23pm

re: #58 Silhouette

Are we sure it was Alf's dad and not Joe Liberman?

Yes.

I will not be posting a link.

72 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:50:38pm

Rosebud is really Luke's father.

73 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:51:01pm

re: #71 Ben Hur

But don't you think they look alike?

74 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:51:07pm

re: #60 n in wi

Not a bad show in comparison to most now. Actually has a bad guy that isn't America/Republican/Conservative.
I remember near the end a line that I keep recalling. Speaking of leaving Afghanistan to it's own devices after the Soviets were defeated, someone in the movie said"And the ball keeps on bouncing." Kinda connects the dots to today and a damn good argument to finish the job in Iraq.

Yup

75 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:51:18pm

re: #70 MandyManners

Must be hell trying to find a good ob-gyn.

You need a spelunker.

76 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:51:40pm

Man the MSM just doesnt seem to care anymore I've been flipping through the t.v. news and have yet to see a (D) next to blagovitch...not once...I wish i could remember when the media wasnt in the tank for the Dems...Wolf blitzer just said that most scandals involve Republicans...wow way to defelect this back onto bad press for the GOP sheesh

77 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:51:41pm

re: #70 MandyManners
man-o-man what legs.

78 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:51:47pm

re: #52 gregg

Note to Californians: Bundle up.

Rare 50 year Arctic Blast Sets Sights On Southern California

They'll freezed their avacadoes off.

79 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:52:00pm

re: #63 kcladderman

Sweet. If it got that low here in Dallas, I could afford more than a gallon

80 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:52:05pm

re: #73 Silhouette

But don't you think they look alike?


In general, or while fallating a crack dealer?

81 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:52:14pm

Bosco

82 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:52:37pm

re: #11 LizardBennet

Did anyone watch the finale of "Boston Legal" last night?


Yup, that program needed to go away.
The first couple of seasons were good, then it just got sillier.
The Spader character insulting the Supreme Court justices about their tolerance for corruption & torture etc. Absurd.
An appearance before the Supreme Court is an ecxercise in the Socratic method. The justices pepper the lawyer with questions.
In no way wouid an ass like the Spader character get away with that

83 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:52:38pm

re: #80 Ben Hur

In general, or while fallating a crack dealer?

Oh my.

84 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:52:45pm

re: #81 LizardBennet

Don Bosco

85 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:53:28pm

re: #66 Outrider

makes it easier for the strip search.

Did they do a body-cavity search?

86 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:53:41pm

What's new in Blago-tastic news?

/head down at work... couldn't watch... anything new since the presser?

87 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:53:53pm

re: #68 Nevergiveup

Well they were at his front door when they called. It wasn't like sure shower and shave first. It was like come down and open the door before we break it down and terrorize your wife and kids.

Mighty nice of them.

88 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:53:54pm

Someone told me they saw the Crown Prince of Saudi on TV in the last day or two. He said the cost of producing Saudi oil is only $2/barrel but their breakeven price is $50/barrel.
Gee, I wonder what the other $48 is for:
- castles, jets, car fleets, harems, madrassahs, security, ransoms, bribes, payoffs to AQ, jihad, entertainment account for Condi,...etc., etc., etc.,...

89 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:53:58pm

re: #69 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It was all an autistic child's dream.

Rick is not really selling out Victor and Ilsa.

90 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:54:12pm

re: #81 LizardBennet

Bosco

What's the password?

91 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:54:21pm

re: #84 Ojoe
Donnie Brasco? Donnie Darko -- Jake Gyllenhaal ***sigh***

92 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:54:55pm

re: #69 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It was all an autistic child's dream.


One of the craziest show endings of all time.
I loved that show.

93 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:55:38pm

re: #91 LizardBennet

"Chocolate tastes like Bosco!"

94 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:55:38pm

re: #82 opnion
Oh, I suspended disbelief enough to get past all that, but I was still pissed off. Careful, though. It's been tivo'd by fellow lizard.

95 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:55:41pm

re: #75 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You need a spelunker.

Oh. Ick.

96 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:56:04pm

re: #64 Ben Hur

I agree with the commentor who points out how fast the MSM declared that The One has no connection to this, whereas, had this been Bush...

Ya know, there is a direct parallel since the last time Fitzgerald brough such high profile charges it was against Libby...then obviously Scooter was taking direction from Chaney who was taking directions from Halliburton, which is a wholly-owned Bush subsidiary.

97 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:56:10pm

re: #77 apachegunner

man-o-man what legs.

Bet she could crack a coconut with her knees.

98 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:56:11pm

re: #69 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It was all an autistic child's dream.

The jukebox will play "Don't Stop Believin'", and then the screen will go blank.

99 winston06  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:56:33pm

hello

100 LizardBennet  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:56:59pm

re: #98 Occasional Reader
That's all I think of when I hear that song now.

101 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:57:10pm

re: #97 MandyManners
or my head...ooops, did I just say that?

102 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:57:15pm

re: #10 DeafDog

It can't be OT since there is no T, but I paid $1.48 for gas this morning.

Congratulations on your good fortune. It's not too bad where I am either - $1.55.

But, I fear this is not good news. What it does is divert us from some painful & necessary hard work.

On the other hand - anybody noticing the global warming thingy may be all wrong. Snowing like hell in Yurp & I hear the polar caps are doing quite well. Anything to make Gore look stupid.

103 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:57:50pm

re: #101 apachegunner

or my head...ooops, did I just say that?

Why, yes you did!

104 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:58:14pm

We've already used 31 feet of the 50 foot open thread. What happens when we run out?

105 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:58:18pm

re: #99 winston06
hi winston, i say that cause it drives me nuts to say hi and the room stays quiet.

106 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:58:31pm

re: #69 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It was all an autistic child's dream.

If you go by shows that did crossovers to St. Elsewhere, and the shows that they did crossovers with, and so on, apparently most of TV history is all part of Tommy Westfall's imagination!

107 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:58:32pm

re: #102 unreconstructed rebel

Congratulations on your good fortune. It's not too bad where I am either - $1.55.

But, I fear this is not good news. What it does is divert us from some painful & necessary hard work.

On the other hand - anybody noticing the global warming thingy may be all wrong. Snowing like hell in Yurp & I hear the polar caps are doing quite well. Anything to make Gore look stupid.

He needs help with that?

108 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:58:46pm

well, I shouldn't have re: #103 MandyManners

Why, yes you did!

109 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:58:55pm

re: #104 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We've already used 31 feet of the 50 foot open thread. What happens when we run out?

You tie a knot and hold on.

110 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:59:07pm

re: #88 Spare O'Lake

Someone told me they saw the Crown Prince of Saudi on TV in the last day or two. He said the cost of producing Saudi oil is only $2/barrel but their breakeven price is $50/barrel.
Gee, I wonder what the other $48 is for:
- castles, jets, car fleets, harems, madrassahs, security, ransoms, bribes, payoffs to AQ, jihad, entertainment account for Condi,...etc., etc., etc.,...

jihad...

111 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:59:15pm

re: #108 apachegunner

well, I shouldn't have

Too late.

112 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:59:16pm

re: #104 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We've already used 31 feet of the 50 foot open thread. What happens when we run out?

Evolution thread

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:59:36pm

re: #109 MandyManners

You tie a knot and hold on.

Hanging by a thread?

114 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:59:45pm

Questions Arise About the Obama/Blagojevich Relationship

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

but:

Axelrod said, "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them."

Somebody might have to fall on his sword here?

115 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:59:46pm

I had one of those weird thoughts recently about 0's intensive questionnaire for applicants to his crew. Especially about firearms.

What if the theory is the opposite, that he wants people who have had extensive experience in all these areas and those who disclose all the details almost like a resume are the ones to get hired?

You know, the dirtier the better?

Just hypothesizin' is all...

/not really sure if I am being sarcastic but thought I would put it in there in case

116 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 1:59:59pm

re: #113 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hanging by a thread?

I'll not be unravelled by puns.

117 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:00:09pm

re: #88 Spare O'Lake

...$$ for Sharia courts in the UK

118 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:00:14pm

re: #113 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Goddess said I should share this with you.

119 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:00:28pm

re: #116 MandyManners

I'll not be unravelled by puns.

We'll need to knit that one together then.

120 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:01:06pm

re: #106 gmsc

If you go by shows that did crossovers to St. Elsewhere, and the shows that they did crossovers with, and so on, apparently most of TV history is all part of Tommy Westfall's imagination!

Whoa! I gotta go, but I've bookmarked that for future review! 'Night Lizards!

121 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:01:22pm

So who's going to put "One Illinois Senate Seat" on eBay?

122 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:01:28pm

re: #102 unreconstructed rebel

True.

Someone posted an adage the other day about an Arkansas farmer that struck home with me. Something like, "I can't fix my leaky roof now, cause it's raining."

His wife says, "Fix it tomorrow, then, when the rain stops."

He responds - "Why bother. It don't leak then."

123 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:01:47pm

re: #115 Right mind left

If he wanted experience the form would have said "firearm" not "gun."

IMHO

124 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:01:49pm

re: #119 Right mind left

We'll need to knit that one together then.

A puns thread...Sew what

125 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:01:56pm

re: #114 Nevergiveup

Somebody might have to fall on his sword here?

Hmmm, does Bleepovich seem like the type?

126 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:01:56pm

re: #10 DeafDog

It can't be OT since there is no T, but I paid $1.48 for gas this morning.

Down to $1.41 here in Central Arkansas.

/will they 'blame' Bush for this too?

127 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:14pm

re: #102 unreconstructed rebel

Congratulations on your good fortune. It's not too bad where I am either - $1.55.

But, I fear this is not good news. What it does is divert us from some painful & necessary hard work.

On the other hand - anybody noticing the global warming thingy may be all wrong. Snowing like hell in Yurp & I hear the polar caps are doing quite well. Anything to make Gore look stupid.

Charlie Rose was banging on about bio-diversity and habitat destruction by greedy humans. His guests were all top drawer worthies. He has been erudite, thoughtful, courteous and well connected but dead wrong also on every issue for months. His track record is amazing. My instincts are to agree that science is science and pollution is bad and other creatures are good. I'm a Roosevelt Republican at heart. Still given CR's record it gives me pause.

128 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:19pm

re: #119 Right mind left

We'll need to knit that one together then.

You bleep what you sew.

129 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:24pm

re: #121 bosforus

So who's going to put "One Illinois Senate Seat" on eBay?

I'll bid on that one! I hear you have to spend just 100 days as a Senator from Illinois, and then you can run for President!

130 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:27pm

re: #121 bosforus

So who's going to put "One Illinois Senate Seat" on eBay?

Someone already did.

131 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:30pm

re: #126 gop_patriot

Down to $1.41 here in Central Arkansas.

/will they 'blame' Bush for this too?

$1.49 in Salt Lake
:)

132 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:33pm

re: #104 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We've already used 31 feet of the 50 foot open thread. What happens when we run out?


We apply for a thread bailout from the daggone gubermint!

133 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:35pm

re: #121 bosforus

So who's going to put "One Illinois Senate Seat" on eBay?

Already done... see previous thread, someone linked to it.

134 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:47pm

re: #104 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We've already used 31 feet of the 50 foot open thread. What happens when we run out?

Bass solo.

135 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:48pm

re: #121 bosforus

So who's going to put "One Illinois Senate Seat" on eBay?

Already done

136 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:54pm

re: #114 Nevergiveup


And, it should be pointed out, Mr. Obama has a relationship with Mr. Blagojevich, having not only endorsed Blagojevich in 2002 and 2006, but having served as a top adviser to the Illinois governor in his first 2002 run for the state house.
137 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:02:54pm

re: #130 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Someone already did.

I figured as much.

138 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:03:02pm

re: #123 Ojoe

If he wanted experience the form would have said "firearm" not "gun."

IMHO

It just seems like he likes to surround himself with gun toting pipe smoking...jail waiting...bomb setting...

139 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:03:08pm

re: #121 bosforus

So who's going to put "One Illinois Senate Seat" on eBay?

Been done. They've even taken it off already!

140 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:03:24pm

re: #114 Nevergiveup

President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

From the wire tap transcripts, it seems, Obama sent a name to Blago that Obama wanted in the Senate seat, but Blago rejected them because he, Blago, wouldn't get a bribe from that person.

From that it seems that regardless of whether Obama was involved in this scandal, he is lying when he says there was NO contact with the governor.

141 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:03:42pm

re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I miss one lousy thread and my jokes are already old! Such is lgf.

142 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:03:57pm

re: #128 LeePro

You bleep what you sew.

That definitely had the wool over it she said sheepishly...

143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:04:02pm

re: #134 rawmuse

Bass solo.

Then the fat lady?

144 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:04:15pm

re: #139 gmsc

Been done. They've even taken it off already!

Yes, two big guys from McCormick Place "security" stopped by the ebay offices and persuaded them to take it down.

145 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:04:37pm

How soon before Blagojevich cries, "RACISM"?

146 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:04:39pm

re: #140 Silhouette

regardless of whether Obama was involved in this scandal, he is lying

The One does not "lie". He merely utters Truths that surpass human understanding.

147 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:04:40pm

re: #143 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Then the fat lady?

We probably have several, not mentioning any names, no, no...

148 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:04:50pm

re: #141 bosforus

I miss one lousy thread and my jokes are already old! Such is lgf.

Maybe this will cheer you up.

Why did the supermodel slap the midget?

He kept saying how nice her hair smelled.

149 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:09pm

re: #113 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Goddess said I should share this with you.

Iz Is invisbl?

150 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:09pm

re: #145 MandyManners

How soon before Blagojevich cries, "RACISM"?

His race card is lily white...it's a "non-playing" card.

151 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:11pm

re: #141 bosforus

I miss one lousy thread and my jokes are already old! Such is lgf.

frayed so...

152 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:20pm

re: #147 rawmuse

We probably have several, not mentioning any names, no, no...

no no no no no no no

153 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:31pm

re: #121 bosforus

So who's going to put "One Illinois Senate Seat" on eBay?

It's already there

154 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:40pm

re: #119 Right mind left

We'll need to knit that one together then.

I just got here, but it looks like y'all are just stringing each other along.
/

155 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:51pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe this will cheer you up.

Why did the supermodel slap the midget?

He kept saying how nice her hair smelled.

Oh brother.

156 wahabicorridor  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:56pm

re: #13 Nevergiveup

Speaking of Boobs. I have been watching " Charlie Wilson War" on HBO or one of them stations. If his staff was anything like what is represented in the Movie, man he must have been something!

He. Frist, former Sen. Mississippi used to require photos of job applicants. Hubby said all the women on his staff ad REALLY BIG - um - hair.

157 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:05:58pm

re: #145 MandyManners

How soon before Blagojevich cries, "RACISM"?

Not allowed. He's white.

158 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:06:02pm

re: #150 Desert Dog

Maybe he could suddenly become gay

159 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:06:06pm

re: #138 Right mind left

Gun rifle.

He doesn't have smart people writing his forms, anyway, I could have sworn I had no gun, it would have been true, I have something from which the projectile emerges spinning ...

160 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:06:26pm

re: #154 Soona'

I just got here, but it looks like y'all are just stringing each other along.
/

It's the open thread that seemed to be the undoing...

161 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:06:37pm

re: #149 Sharmuta

re: #113 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Iz Is invisbl?

LOL!
We know where that dog got his bark, don't we!

162 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:06:42pm

re: #158 n in wi

Maybe he could suddenly become gay

Pretty sure that will happen anyways once he hits lockup

163 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:07:18pm

re: #156 wahabicorridor

He. Frist, former Sen. Mississippi used to require photos of job applicants. Hubby said all the women on his staff ad REALLY BIG - um - hair.

It's good to be the King!

164 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:07:29pm

If a schizophrenic threatens suicide, do you have a hostage situation?

165 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:07:30pm

This time tomm... I'll be in sunny California!

166 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:07:35pm

re: #139 gmsc

Been done. They've even taken it off already!

Screen cap...

167 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:07:38pm

re: #154 Soona'

I just got here, but it looks like y'all are just stringing each other along.
/

Give us ANOTHER purl of wisdom.

168 invictus1  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:04pm

re: #139 gmsc

Been done. They've even taken it off already!

There's still more: [Link: shop.ebay.com...]

169 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:06pm

re: #164 A Kiwi Infidel

If a schizophrenic threatens suicide, do you have a hostage situation?

Is he armed or hallucinating?

170 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:10pm

See y'all later.

I'm going to start a loaf of bread.

171 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:16pm

re: #151 Right mind left

frayed so...

That's knot a perl.

172 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:17pm

re: #161 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In your dreams...

MWAH!

173 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:19pm

re: #126 gop_patriot

Down to $1.41 here in Central Arkansas.

/will they 'blame' Bush for this too?

Time for congressional hearings! Get those oil execs back to Washington to explain the obscenely low gas prices!

174 Dave the.....  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:26pm

n in wi

Maybe he could suddenly become gay

Heh, I thought of that this morning. He could become a "Gay-American"!

But I wonder what's with the Moe Howard hair?

175 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:28pm

re: #145 MandyManners

How soon before Blagojevich cries, "RACISM"?

You make me reminisce for a simpler time...No one ever played the race card better than Marion Barry.

176 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:32pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe this will cheer you up.

Why did the supermodel slap the midget?

He kept saying how nice her hair smelled.

*groan*

177 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:43pm

are both aware of the threat? re: #169 Nevergiveup

178 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:54pm

re: #164 A Kiwi Infidel

If a schizophrenic threatens suicide, do you have a hostage situation?

LOL!

179 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:08:58pm

re: #165 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

This time tomm... I'll be in sunny California!

Be sure to take your winter woollies and snow shoes

180 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:01pm

Derbin is calling for a special election to fill Bogo's seat. Think any chance a Republican could win?

181 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:02pm

re: #159 Ojoe

Gun rifle.

He doesn't have smart people writing his forms, anyway, I could have sworn I had no gun, it would have been true, I have something from which the projectile emerges spinning ...

This is my rifle
this is my gun.
This is for fighting!
This is for fun!

182 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:02pm

re: #158 n in wi

Maybe he could suddenly become gay

That would work out, especially as he won't be going into work on Wednesday.

183 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:12pm

Looks like Lucianne.com is down with malware problems. Anyone else getting a malware page on that?

184 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:17pm

re: #175 DeafDog

You make me reminisce for a simpler time...No one ever played the race card better than Marion Barry.

Well if you got it flaunt it!

185 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:24pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pretty sure that will happen anyways once he hits lockup

friend of mine shared a federal cell in Marion with Dan Rastinkowski... the inmates loved the guy for his scam abilities...he was a super star...course that was a country club

186 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:31pm

Here's what this thread is missing.

187 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:45pm

re: #42 A Kiwi Infidel

I like open threads, where one may be exposed without being embarrassed nor threatened.

There you go with a boob thread again.

188 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:09:49pm

re: #164 A Kiwi Infidel

If a schizophrenic threatens suicide, do you have a hostage situation?

Schizophrenia is a myth. They're just long distance telepaths. When you see that guy sitting on a park bench alone in a heated arguement, you can rest assured there is a guy across town in a bus matching his crap word for word.

189 Dave the.....  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:06pm
You make me reminisce for a simpler time...No one ever played the race card better than Marion Barry.


Only he could get away with saying smoking crack is a cultural thing for DC African-Americans.

190 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:08pm

Senator Durbin is calling for the Illinois Senate to act quickly & vote for a special election to fill Obamas Senate seat.

191 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:16pm

re: #173 eschew_obfuscation

Time for congressional hearings! Get those oil execs back to Washington to explain the obscenely low gas prices!

Time for an Exxon bail-out

192 Buck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:24pm

re: #30 razorbacker

He's out on bail. I'm betting that there is a liquid dinner tonight.

And a hangover tomorrow.

In Mexico?

193 smokefire  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:30pm

re: #175 DeafDog

You make me reminisce for a simpler time...No one ever played the race card better than Marion Barry.

...the bitch set me up.

194 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:38pm

re: #150 Desert Dog

His race card is lily white...it's a "non-playing" card.

re: #157 LeePro

Not allowed. He's white.

If he wanted to, he could find some way.

After all, if calling someone a socialist is racist, so can arresting a governor who tried to sell the Senate seat of a black man.

195 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:43pm

re: #179 A Kiwi Infidel
Now Knock that off...It's going to be PERFECT! I tell ya!

PERFECT!

196 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:44pm

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Schizophrenia is a myth. They're just long distance telepaths. When you see that guy sitting on a park bench alone in a heated arguement, you can rest assured there is a guy across town in a bus matching his crap word for word.


Or, he is a scientologist.

197 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:46pm

re: #187 father_of_10

There you go with a boob thread again.

Round and Round we go.

198 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:10:47pm

re: #186 So?

Here's what this thread is missing.

Bolded text?

199 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:08pm

re: #191 n in wi

Time for an Exxon bail-out

Barney Frank can tell Big Oil what products they can sell.

200 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:12pm

re: #172 goddessoftheclassroom

In your dreams...

MWAH!

MWAH!
Sharm already sent that one, just now, per your request she said.

You need to back up and get another plan.

201 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:15pm

re: #180 n in wi

Derbin is calling for a special election to fill Bogo's seat. Think any chance a Republican could win?

Without knowing a particularly strong candidate in Illinois, Yes, I do.

The republicans sure have been doing better in special elections since Obama was oradained elected.

202 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:23pm

T-bills trading at negative rates.

203 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:33pm

re: #161 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There is also an lol celebrity.

I think this pic is begging for some lol action. How about:

"Corupshun- wees gots it."

204 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:36pm

re: #78 MandyManners

They'll freezed their avacadoes off.

Not to mention what it did to their bananas

205 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:43pm

Check out Ace's new custom "Blago flaming skull"! Too funny!

206 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:44pm

re: #159 Ojoe

Gun rifle.

He doesn't have smart people writing his forms, anyway, I could have sworn I had no gun, it would have been true, I have something from which the projectile emerges spinning ...

That was really funny.

That was not the piece I knew.

207 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:11:45pm

re: #175 DeafDog

You make me reminisce for a simpler time...No one ever played the race card better than Marion Barry.

Bitch set me up!

208 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:12:04pm

re: #187 father_of_10

There you go with a boob thread again.


Kiwi deftly lobs the "boob thread" ball back over the net to Father_of_10

209 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:12:12pm

Was NBC looking for a new reality TV show to spruce up ratings?

How about: ILLINOIS THUGS.

210 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:12:30pm

re: #189 Dave the...

Only he could get away with saying smoking crack is a cultural thing for DC African-Americans.

His genious will be studied for years.

211 smokefire  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:12:31pm

re: #199 jcm

Barney Frank can tell Big Oil what products they can sell.

Barney is good with lubricating products

212 rw in san diego  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:12:46pm

re: #165 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

Where in California?

213 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:12:50pm

re: #197 Spare O'Lake

Round and Round we go.

When the red, red, rob -in comes bob, bob, bob -bin' a -long, a -long,

214 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:12:51pm

re: #193 smokefire

...the bitch set me up.

Beat me to it.

*harumph*

215 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:12:59pm

re: #199 jcm

Barney Frank can tell Big Oil what products they can sell.

Barney Frank? I think the gene pool needs some Chlorine

216 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:13:02pm

re: #169 Nevergiveup

Is he armed or hallucinating?

If he has a gun in his right hand and a knife in his left hand; now there's a situation.

217 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:13:09pm

re: #104 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We've already used 31 feet of the 50 foot open thread. What happens when we run out?

Congress will give us bail-out to buy more, but then they will control the open thread.

Then it really will be a boob thread.

218 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:13:17pm

re: #50 LizardBennet

Mimes piss me off
/

A mime is a terrible thing to waste.

219 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:13:24pm

re: #215 HoosierHoops
hiya hoops

220 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:13:38pm

re: #216 Soona'

If he has a gun in his right hand and a knife in his left hand; now there's a situation.

20 bucks on the right hand.

221 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:13:45pm

re: #212 rw in san diego

Redlands...East of Scam Berdino...

222 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:13:51pm

re: #200 pre-Boomer Marine brat


Yes, she gets all the credit, but I had to be sure you saw it when I saw you were online!

Look who's in charge...

223 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:14:02pm

re: #204 father_of_10

Not to mention what it did to their bananas

Poor fruit flies.

224 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:14:04pm

re: #180 n in wi

Derbin is calling for a special election to fill Bogo's seat. Think any chance a Republican could win?

No

225 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:14:04pm

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm a schizophrenic
No I'm not
Yes I am
No I'm not
Yes I am

226 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:14:04pm

re: #181 jcm

I see you've been rifling through your notes from boot camp.

I thought the Air Force wasn't permitted to have dangerous weapons.

/*duck and cring*

227 smokefire  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:14:08pm

re: #214 MandyManners

one of the few times Mandy, do not dispair

228 Hard Right  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:14:27pm

re: #211 smokefire

Barney is good with lubricating products

ARRRG! BRAIN BLEACH!

229 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:14:53pm

Here's what this thread is missing.

Image: 3052530863_0918e33edf_o.jpg


(damn, how did that happen? thanks Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) )

230 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:15:01pm

re: #216 Soona'

If he has a gun in his right hand and a knife in his left hand; now there's a situation.


If the gun is pointed at his head and the knife at his crotch, what is the imminent threat?

231 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:15:10pm

re: #219 apachegunner

hiya hoops

Hey Gunner! What's new?

232 UFO TOFU  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:15:29pm

re: #221 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

It's pretty damn chilly there right now.

233 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:15:48pm

re: #217 father_of_10

Congress will give us bail-out to buy more, but then they will control the open thread.

Then it really will be a boob thread.

Nah. It'll be a dick-head thread.

234 rancher  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:15:48pm

re: #118 Sharmuta

No worries his bark is worse than his bite.

Rustler Night all.

235 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:15:53pm

Environmental Guy

236 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:15:59pm

re: #199 jcm

I think Barney Frank has a special use for petroleum products.

237 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:32pm

re: #208 A Kiwi Infidel

Kiwi deftly lobs the "boob thread" ball back over the net to Father_of_10

Lobs? Is that like hefts?

238 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:33pm

re: #226 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see you've been rifling through your notes from boot camp.

I thought the Air Force wasn't permitted to have dangerous weapons.

/*duck and cring*

They have Nuclear weapons...But the Marines keep the triggers..
LOL

239 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:34pm

re: #190 opnion

Senator Durbin is calling for the Illinois Senate to act quickly & vote for a special election to fill Obamas Senate seat.

Wonder if all this came about because Blah-go would NOT do as told and then decided to name his top pick...against the dear leader's wishes...

Wonder, too, if the conversations they were having that Axelrod referred to are also on the tapes or if they happened at some phone booth...

/now it's really getting out of hand, shame for even suggesting such things!

240 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:48pm

re: #203 Sharmuta

There is also an lol celebrity.

I think this pic is begging for some lol action. How about:

"Corupshun- wees gots it."

How about ... "Iz honist, trussed me"

241 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:51pm

re: #232 UFO TOFU

I did not need to now that!
It's warmer than it is HERE and that's what matters!
So there! LOL

242 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:55pm

re: #231 HoosierHoops

Hey Gunner! What's new?


alls the same, spending my week at the Norfolk Navy Air station in Norfolk, haha, where else would it be huh?

243 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:16:55pm

re: #224 opnion

No

I disagree. If there is a special election, the republicans have a fighting chance. Nothing pushes voters to another party more than a corruption scandle. If the Gov. Blog appoints, however, there is a 100% certainy of a dem.

244 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:17:18pm

re: #7 gmsc

Check out Michelle Malkin's "Blagobama Caption Contest"!

the media are quick to cover for their guy.

245 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:17:45pm

re: #190 opnion

Senator Durbin is calling for the Illinois Senate to act quickly & vote for a special election to fill Obamas Senate seat.

And just like **snap**that, they change election law!

246 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:17:45pm

re: #228 Hard Right

ARRRG! BRAIN BLEACH!

'kay, why?

/say it fast, and in context

247 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:18:13pm

This thread is being PUNished.

248 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:18:14pm

Dennis Kucinich is now on FNC in favor of the Big 3 bailout.
My guess is that he fears the mother ship is not coming back for him & he figures that he will need Detroit to build something to get him back to his home planet

249 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:18:17pm

re: #220 Silhouette

20 bucks on the right hand.

Okay. Which one of him does he shoot?

250 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:18:18pm

re: #235 Ben Hur

Her chariot raced
At 80 per
They hauled away
What had
Ben Her
Burma-Shave


;)

251 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:18:22pm

re: #59 gmsc

Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.

Yes .. I actually WATCHED Moonlighting for at least the first series.

252 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:18:35pm

re: #242 apachegunner

alls the same, spending my week at the Norfolk Navy Air station in Norfolk, haha, where else would it be huh?

Bummer it's winter time..No Virginia beach action..
Have a great time

253 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:18:40pm

re: #226 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see you've been rifling through your notes from boot camp.

I thought the Air Force wasn't permitted to have dangerous weapons.

/*duck and cring*

I'll have you know we "qualified" with the M16...
A whole 20 rounds worth of "qualification."

Hell when the temp hit 96° or some such thing they black flag basic, we didn't have march anywhere. I got out of shape and gained weight in basic.

254 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:19:12pm

Hey Charles: Here's an idea! Why don't you supplement your Top Ten Comment feature with a Bottom Ten Comment feature?

255 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:19:19pm

re: #205 gmsc

Check out Ace's new custom "Blago flaming skull"! Too funny!

LOL!
Great hair!

256 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:19:47pm
257 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:19:58pm

Has Obama issued his standard, "That's not the Blogo I knew..." disclaimer yet?

Just a guy in my neighbourhood?

258 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:20:04pm

re: #242 apachegunner

alls the same, spending my week at the Norfolk Navy Air station in Norfolk, haha, where else would it be huh?


My son is stationed there.

259 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:20:09pm

re: #254 Salamantis

Karma Hound!

260 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:20:33pm

re: #253 jcm

I'll have you know we "qualified" with the M16...
A whole 20 rounds worth of "qualification."

Hell when the temp hit 96° or some such thing they black flag basic, we didn't have march anywhere. I got out of shape and gained weight in basic.

Almost like the qualification of the 7th Branch of the Uniformed Services? LOL

261 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:21:11pm

re: #242 apachegunner

alls the same, spending my week at the Norfolk Navy Air station in Norfolk, haha, where else would it be huh?

I've ordered my name tags from the Portsmouth Naval Hosptial a few times, so if you see them floating around grab em please?

262 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:21:22pm

re: #258 n in wi

My son is stationed there.


Its quite a place for sure, he with the joint forces?

263 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:21:35pm

re: #254 Salamantis

Hey Charles: Here's an idea! Why don't you supplement your Top Ten Comment feature with a Bottom Ten Comment feature?

I had a thought along the similar lines, if the karma can show how many times the person has had comments deleted?

I do like the bottom 10 only from the standpoint that it would be an easy way to catch up ketchup on troll feed!

264 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:21:49pm

re: #240 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How about ... "Iz honist, trussed me"

He looks like a used car salesman. Probably will be one after the dust settles.
That is, after he finishes a long stint making license plates.

265 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:21:53pm

re: #261 Nevergiveup
you bet I will.

266 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:21:56pm

re: #259 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

Karma Hound!

Naah...I just wanna check out the Worst of the Worst, as judged by their fellow Lizards, just like I get to check out their Best of the Best...;~)

267 Hard Right  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:22:06pm

re: #246 pre-Boomer Marine brat

'kay, why?

/say it fast, and in context

Slick.

268 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:22:12pm

re: #260 father_of_10

Almost like the qualification of the 7th Branch of the Uniformed Services? LOL

Heh! We still had to run in combat boots, the classes after us got running shoes! Man that was tough...

269 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:22:16pm
270 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:22:38pm

re: #194 MandyManners

**slaps forehead**

Forgot...
Dem = logic = twisted

Sorry, Mandy. You're absolutely right!

271 kcladderman  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:22:39pm

re: #173 eschew_obfuscation

Time for congressional hearings! Get those oil execs back to Washington to explain the obscenely low gas prices!

I have heard a couple of my Dem workmates comment on gas being so cheap because Bush is leaving office and has made all the money he can from it.

272 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:22:46pm

re: #237 father_of_10

Lobs? Is that like hefts?


I was going to use "lofts". Deftly hefts sounds even worse, could be confused with the name of some well-hung, or supremely stacked porn star.

273 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:23:30pm

re: #222 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, she gets all the credit, but I had to be sure you saw it when I saw you were online!

Look who's in charge...

Anyonz hurd frum goddess latly? Don no whur she wint

274 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:23:35pm

Oh Noes! Oprah fell off the diet wagon.

The effects were felt in Kazakhstan.

275 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:23:41pm

re: #271 kcladderman

I have heard a couple of my Dem workmates comment on gas being so cheap because Bush is leaving office and has made all the money he can from it.


It'd be nice if people would engage their brains before their mouths ;-)-

276 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:23:48pm

re: #244 FrogMarch

the media are quick to cover for their guy.

Courtesy of Ace, with tongue firmly planted in cheek:

What context do you need to explain One Man's Crime?

Blago did something bad. That's it. There's no more context to explain, no political culture which requires further elaboration.

The story begins and ends with Blago himself. There is no point in expending all those journalistic resources to story which is simply about a single man's failings.

Nothing to see here, folks. MoveOn.org.

277 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:24:03pm

re: #270 LeePro

**slaps forehead**

Forgot...
Dem = logic = twisted

Sorry, Mandy. You're absolutely right!

I'm waiting for it.

278 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:24:09pm

re: #230 Nevergiveup

If the gun is pointed at his head and the knife at his crotch, what is the imminent threat?

First Rule: Aways protect your balls.

279 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:24:17pm

re: #273 pre-Boomer Marine brat
wasn't she at the last thread?

280 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:24:31pm

re: #262 apachegunner

In the Navy.Charting weather patterns

281 yochanan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:01pm

BUCK FLAGO

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:06pm

re: #274 Wyatt Earp

Watch the fat jokes copper!

283 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:16pm

re: #262 apachegunner

Its quite a place for sure, he with the joint forces?

years back I visited norfolk to go to the new orleans fest...I was floored...the Ike was in port...all the...stuff...what a cool place for a hayseed like me...and the Wisconsin!...holy shit!

284 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:26pm
285 smokefire  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:35pm

re: #274 Wyatt Earp

Oh Noes! Oprah fell off the diet wagon.

The effects were felt in Kazakhstan.

...registering 8.9 on Rickter scale

286 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:41pm

re: #274 Wyatt Earp

Oh Noes! Oprah fell off the diet wagon.

The effects were felt in Kazakhstan.

And the moon is 2 inches closer to Earth.

287 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:44pm

re: #274 Wyatt Earp

Oh Noes! Oprah fell off the diet wagon.

The effects were felt in Kazakhstan.

Cottage cheese just doesn't do it.

288 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:56pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Watch the fat jokes copper!

Sorry, but when Oprah is the (big) butt of the jokes, it's acceptable.

289 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:25:57pm

re: #274 Wyatt Earp

Oh Noes! Oprah fell off the diet wagon.

The effects were felt in Kazakhstan.

Yes, I was just reading about that in the news.

290 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:26:02pm

re: #269 buzzsawmonkey

Call it "Catfish Corner," since catfish are bottom feeders.

That's perfect. Maybe "Catfish trawlers", Catfish Cornered, Catfish pile-on... the Bottom Feed...

291 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:26:16pm
292 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:26:21pm

re: #287 MandyManners

Cottage cheese just doesn't do it.

And that's just her thighs!

293 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:26:29pm

re: #230 Nevergiveup

If the gun is pointed at his head and the knife at his crotch, what is the imminent threat?

Now that is what I call being in Harms way..

294 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:26:32pm

re: #281 yochanan

BUCK FLAGO

NBC's new Primetime show?

295 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:26:52pm

re: #290 Right mind left

Or "Mobys and Trolls."

296 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:27:00pm

re: #292 SurferDoc

And that's just her thighs!

Thanks, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

297 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:27:01pm

re: #288 Wyatt Earp

Sorry, but when Oprah is the (big) butt of the jokes, it's acceptable.

But Rosie O'Donnell's butt doesnt melt at anything less than 1500 degrees !
ITS BEEN PROVEN !

298 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:27:02pm

re: #253 jcm

out of shape and gained weight

Heh.

I qualified with the M-1 first pass. (I'd shot the heavy-barreled .22 target rifles in high school.) Probably only 20-odd rounds, too. We is trained killers, right?

299 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:27:15pm

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

Cottage cheese has been replaced by townhouse development cheese. Get with the times.

No rice cakes?

300 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:27:20pm

re: #296 Wyatt Earp

Thanks, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Maalox!

301 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:27:35pm

re: #292 SurferDoc

And that's just her thighs!

Oh, gross.

302 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:27:43pm
303 snowcrash  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:27:48pm

re: #287 MandyManners
She will have to go to the plus sizes for her Inaugural ball gown. lol

304 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:03pm

re: #268 jcm

Heh! We still had to run in combat boots, the classes after us got running shoes! Man that was tough...

The night before my oldest son went off to MCRD San Diego, he stayed up to watch Full Metal Jacket, just to psych himself up. I later asked him if it helped. He said No.

My Naval experience was learning who to salute, which fork to use and not to spit into the wind.

305 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:05pm

re: #281 yochanan

BUCK FLAGO

Buck Flago and Buck Wodgers are Bawny Fwanks assistants.

306 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:19pm

re: #297 Buster Bunny

But Rosie O'Donnell's butt doesnt melt at anything less than 1500 degrees !
ITS BEEN PROVEN !

God help the poor bastard that held a magnifying above her tremendous rump!

307 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:23pm

re: #302 buzzsawmonkey

Who you callin' "rice cakes," lady?

I like peanut butter on them.

308 Hard Right  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:26pm

re: #297 Buster Bunny

But Rosie O'Donnell's butt doesnt melt at anything less than 1500 degrees !
ITS BEEN PROVEN !

Her head is believed to not to melt until 3000 degrees.

309 Right mind left  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:27pm

re: #295 Salamantis

Or "Mobys and Trolls."

How about "Down Dung"

310 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:27pm

well lizards, its happy hour at my hotel. Be careful and don't get in my way here :>)

311 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:28:53pm

re: #306 Wyatt Earp

God help the poor bastard that held a magnifying above her tremendous rump!

"magnifying glass"

PIMF!

312 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:29:03pm

Barry will get Oprah on the Gov. wait lose program when he gets in.

313 3 wood  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:29:11pm

Over at the open sewer known as HuffPo they either have no problem with Blago or they blame...wait for it...Bush.

A few choice selections of left wing insanity:

1zeus1

Americans are fools for letting the FBI pull a ""Rod the Rabbit" out of the hat while allowing elephants to rape this Country undetected.

The FBI makes a big deal about what is common in politics. They do nothing to the Corporate Executives who are stealing Billions from the tax payers. Why not arrest those stealing Billions instead of a man trying to get himself and his wife jobs paying $150,00.00 per year.

God bless Rod Blagojevich for trying to support his family Chicago style instead of asking for a free "Bail Out". Elvis agrees!
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 12/09/2008

The obligatory Bush/Chenney reference:


Jessegirl

We can ALL agree there is corruption here and we are ALL peeved.

So lets all come together and agree to impeach the Kings of Corruption: Bush / Chenney.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 12/09/2008

and:

jsgaetano

Witness how Democrats can clean their own house... whereas Republicans don't.

Had this been in a conservative, culture of corruption friendly state, like, say, Texass, it would not only have been covered up, but encouraged.

Abusing office for political gain is what Republicans are ALL about... which is why the whining of conservatives on this issue is not only all the funnier, but comes across as amazingly hypocritical.

What exactly did Blago do which conservatives didn't praise Bush/Cheney for doing?
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 12/09/2008

And the inevitable conspiracy theory:

canadiansoccermom

Curious... just one day after Governor Blagojevich asked government agencies to suspend business with Bank of America.
Reply Posted 05:13 PM on 12/09/2008

Another insight into the left wing mindset.

314 katemaclaren  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:29:13pm

I was reading about Gov Blowdryofabitch in the NYT and looked at the comments. Wow. Another example of BDS at comment #4. I stopped right there. Look how many readers recommended it, too!

[Link: community.nytimes.com...]

4. December 09, 2008 10:42 am
Link
I'm not surprised. This is the result of the culture of corruption that George W. Bush has encouraged in this country over the past 8 years.

I can't wait to see every single one of these Republican crooks in jail.
— Edgar Bronstein, New York, NY

Recommend Recommended by 76 Readers

315 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:29:51pm

re: #284 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds like a porn name.

Can Buck Flago heft much?

316 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:29:57pm

re: #281 yochanan

BUCK FLAGO

. . . in the 25th century!

(Here's the original for you nostalgia buffs)

317 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:00pm

re: #303 snowcrash

She will have to go to the plus sizes for her Inaugural ball gown. lol

She can afford to have it designed. No plus-sized racks for her.

318 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:15pm

re: #273 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Forgive me if you've seen this before...

319 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:18pm

re: #305 DeafDog

Buck Flago and Buck Wodgers are Bawny Fwanks assistants.

Is Babwah Walters in the room?

320 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:21pm

It's amazing to be so famous that when you gain a few pounds, it makes national news.

Like Sinatra, who was so famous, his funeral was invitation-only.

321 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:36pm
322 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:47pm

re: #239 Right mind left

Wonder if all this came about because Blah-go would NOT do as told and then decided to name his top pick...against the dear leader's wishes...

Wonder, too, if the conversations they were having that Axelrod referred to are also on the tapes or if they happened at some phone booth...

/now it's really getting out of hand, shame for even suggesting such things!

I think that Obama is corrupt , but this was Blago looking for a payday.

323 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:54pm

re: #317 MandyManners

She can afford to have it designed. No plus-sized racks for her.

The last thing I want to envision is Oprah's "plus-size rack."

324 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:30:54pm

re: #313 3 wood

I know it's true, but it's still unbelievably sad.

325 katemaclaren  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:31:11pm

re: #313 3 wood

That's what I saw at the NYT. Un-f---g- believable.

326 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:31:16pm

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

It's nice to know that our new President-to-be is entirely unimplicated in the Blago scandal.

No connection at all. None. Zip. Nada. Couldn't possibly.

Despite the fact that it's the same party, with, surely, a number of players in that party and state (cough! Rahm Emmanuel! cough!) that our new President-to-be belongs to.

It's nice to see a single perfect rose arising from the heap of manure.

And, he don't know nothing about that Rezko guy neither

327 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:31:20pm

re: #313 3 wood

What a bunch of sick fucks.

328 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:31:37pm

re: #320 Silhouette

It's amazing to be so famous that when you gain a few pounds, it makes national news.

Like Sinatra, who was so famous, his funeral was invitation-only.

I'm still waiting for my invitation?

329 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:31:37pm

re: #314 katemaclaren

Wow, Dubya even caused Chicago corruption.

Man, he's good.

330 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:31:39pm

re: #276 gmsc

When there's a hot story, the media usually likes to pile on with background pieces, context pieces, related pieces. This is flood-the-zone type coverage as former NYT editor Howell Raines dubbed it. And the media likes doing this coverage... so long as it's not harming The Cause

.

Ace goes on to point out what I pointed out earlier in other threads:

What about Michelle and her 200,000 raise? One of Obama's Earmark Requests Was for the Hospital That Employs Michelle Obama

331 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:31:46pm

re: #298 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh.

I qualified with the M-1 first pass. (I'd shot the heavy-barreled .22 target rifles in high school.) Probably only 20-odd rounds, too. We is trained killers, right?

I wanted a shot at PJ (Para-rescue) school:
1.5 mile run - within 10:30 (sub 9:00)
swim 500m - within 16:00 (sidestroke or freestyle) (sub 9:00)
Swim 20m underwater
Pullups - 8 (20+)
Situps - 50 in 2:00 (100)
Pushups - 50 in 2:00 (100)
Flutterkicks - 50 in 2:00 (100)

This was continuous went I was going for it. Run, dive in the pool, then do the rest, overall time was important also.

I got in shape before basic... took several month to get back into shape.

332 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:31:56pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

If you're going to talk about plus-sized racks, Occasional Reader will magically appear.

LOL! I about fell outta' my chair.

333 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:32:02pm

re: #323 Wyatt Earp

The last thing I want to envision is Oprah's "plus-size rack."

That's not the boob thread I knew.

334 katemaclaren  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:32:19pm

re: #308 Hard Right

Her head is believed to not to melt until 3000 degrees.

No No No--Rosie's head melts at 98.6 given the right catalyst.

335 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:32:33pm

re: #323 Wyatt Earp

The last thing I want to envision is Oprah's "plus-size rack."

Has anyone seen Steadman lately?

336 Hard Right  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:32:36pm

re: #329 Silhouette

Wow, Dubya even caused Chicago corruption.

Man, he's good.

Good? He's legendary. He must be responsible for the decades of corruption in Chicago before he was in office.

337 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:32:37pm

re: #304 father_of_10

The night before my oldest son went off to MCRD San Diego, he stayed up to watch Full Metal Jacket, just to psych himself up. I later asked him if it helped. He said No.

My Naval experience was learning who to salute, which fork to use and not to spit into the wind.

I thought it learning not to piss in the wind. Maybe that was an Army thing.

338 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:32:51pm

re: #334 katemaclaren

No No No--Rosie's head melts at 98.6 given the right catalyst.

Her whole body melts down if you mention GWB

339 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:01pm

Obama's gonna have to go shopping for a bigger bed.

/those Oprah sleepovers at the White House ;)

340 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:12pm

I've just determined my new manager is a Moebius strip of business slang. A never ending one sided concall which basically where he stated the problems we were facing, and the solutions we could implement because we're facing these problems, so we should implement the following solutions because these are the problems we are facing.

This went on for 20 minutes and no one else could get in a word.

341 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:14pm

re: #226 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see you've been rifling through your notes from boot camp.

I thought the Air Force wasn't permitted to have dangerous weapons.

/*duck and cring*


Is that why they had civilians cooking in the mess halls? Weren't sure of the risk factor of one of our Boys in Blue handling sharp implements? ;-)>

342 katemaclaren  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:21pm

re: #323 Wyatt Earp

The last thing I want to envision is Oprah's "plus-size rack."

heh--that would be in the Maidenform department, wouldn't it?

343 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:24pm

re: #335 MandyManners

Has anyone seen Steadman lately?

Smothered underneath?

344 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:25pm

By the By did anyone besides me read and see in the NY Post that Caroline Kennedy has a tattoo on her arm?

345 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:29pm

re: #335 MandyManners

Has anyone seen Steadman lately?

or Render?

346 yochanan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:33pm

re: #274 Wyatt Earp


see more puppies

347 Hard Right  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:34pm

re: #334 katemaclaren

No No No--Rosie's head melts at 98.6 given the right catalyst.


Thermite?

348 SWPaul  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:48pm

re: #314 katemaclaren

Seriously? They really think that?
Honestly can't believe how dumb some people are in our country. Yeah, Republicans are in charge of Illinois and Chicago politics, wtf. As my father always says, "And their vote counts the same as yours, Paul!"

0 of 2600 Lizard readers found this post helpful. :(

349 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:51pm
350 NYCHardhat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:55pm

What is the over/under on how many scandals Obama will be involved in before Jan 20?

351 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:57pm

re: #313 3 wood

And 9-11 was an inside job. Left wing moonbattery needs to be declared a certifiable disease.

352 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:33:58pm

re: #343 Wyatt Earp

Smothered underneath?

I'm glad someone said it besides me.

353 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:34:03pm

From Theo Spark's joint.

Christmas Carols for the Disturbed...

1. Schizophrenia --- Do You Hear What I Hear?

2. Multiple Personality Disorder --- We Three Kings Disoriented Are

3. Dementia --- I Think I'll be Home for Christmas

4. Narcissistic --- Hark the Herald Angels Sing About Me

5. Manic --- Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and Trees and ...

6. Paranoid --- Santa Claus is Coming to Town to Get Me!

7. Borderline Personality Disorder --- Thoughts of Roasting on an Open Fire

8. Personality Disorder --- You Better Watch Out, I'm Gonna Cry, I'm Gonna Pout, Maybe I'll Tell You Why

9. Attention Deficit Disorder --- Silent night, Holy ... oooh look at the Froggy ... can I have a chocolate ... why is France so far away?

10. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder --- Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells ...

354 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:34:07pm

re: #335 MandyManners

Has anyone seen Steadman lately?

She ate him?

355 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:34:22pm

re: #345 albusteve

or Render?

He knows Oprah?

356 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:34:24pm

re: #327 MandyManners

What a bunch of sick fucks.


Eloquent, as usual

357 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:34:27pm

re: #334 katemaclaren

No No No--Rosie's head melts at 98.6 given the right catalyst.

Fire melts lard? Whoda thunk it?

358 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:34:41pm

re: #337 Soona'

I thought it learning not to piss in the wind. Maybe that was an Army thing.

no. That was don't chew tobacco and spit while in a chopper.

359 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:35:04pm

re: #340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is it time for you to network with the team for outside the box solutions?

360 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:35:09pm

re: #349 buzzsawmonkey

Never saw it.

LOL, thats a good one

361 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:35:30pm

re: #354 SurferDoc

She ate him?

No. 343 said what I was thinking but, yours is good, too.

Was he marinated first?

362 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:35:43pm

re: #356 A Kiwi Infidel

Eloquent, as usual

I strive.

363 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:35:50pm

re: #345 albusteve

or Render?



Render's last...

48 Render 11/06/2008 3:34:53 pm PST

[Link: [Link: www.youtube.com...]...]

See you in four years. I'm going dark, no more public commenting.

You can find me on the COD4 gaming servers - killing everything that moves.

AIN'T
ABOUT
YOU,
R

364 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:35:54pm

re: #313 3 wood
AH, now I get it. Follow me here. Blago is connected to the Trib, the Trib owns the Cubs, Bush was part owner of the Texas Rangers, Bush set up Blago so the Rangers could get CC Sabathia without bidding against the Cubs. ROVE YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD.

365 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:36:04pm

re: #361 MandyManners

No. 343 said what I was thinking but, yours is good, too.

Was he marinated first?

Wow, I'm just a number now. It's like Obama is already in office! :)

366 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:36:11pm

re: #361 MandyManners

No. 343 said what I was thinking but, yours is good, too.

Was he marinated first?

If I dated her I'd have to marinate myself.

367 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:36:12pm

re: #316 gmsc

. . . in the 25th century!

(Here's the original for you nostalgia buffs)

Um, that's not "the original".

This is the original.

(Love the concept of Buck Flago in the 25th Century, though)

368 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:36:12pm

re: #354 SurferDoc

She ate him?

teach him to get between her and the Cheesy Poofs

369 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:36:18pm

re: #355 MandyManners

He knows Oprah?

I thought Steadman was a poster...I dont know anything about Oprah and her life...

370 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:36:44pm

re: #344 Nevergiveup


No, but you made me look...a butterfly, how cute.

Caroline kennedy's tattoo

371 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:36:50pm

I now see things differently. All of this corruption swirling around Obama.
All of these people that he thought he knew are not the people that he knew.
He remains pristine & untouched while all around him hustle a dishonest buck. He is truly the One.

372 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:11pm

re: #363 jcm

What in the world?

373 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:13pm

re: #363 jcm

thank you...hope all's well with him

374 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:21pm

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

It's nice to see a single perfect rose arising from the heap of manure.


Yes see how smart the American electorate is,it managed to find and elect the only honest Chicago Democrat.

/

375 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:29pm

re: #362 MandyManners

I strive.


Indeed, keep up the good work, you set an almost unbeatable standard.

376 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:29pm

re: #366 SurferDoc

If I dated her I'd have to marinate myself.

doesn't that grow hair on your palms when you do that?

377 snowcrash  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:33pm

re: #363 jcm
Interesting.

378 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:41pm

re: #369 albusteve

I thought Steadman was a poster...I dont know anything about Oprah and her life...

Steadman is not a poster, he is a cut out...she drags it around and props it up when she's in public...then, puts in back in the closet when she's done...

379 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:47pm

*shaking head*

380 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:50pm

I havent heard the story yet, but did Obama just toss the gov under the bus?

381 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:56pm

Isn't this more fun than reading criticism of John McCain's cabinet picks?

382 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:37:57pm

re: #335 MandyManners

Has anyone seen Steadman lately?

Yeah,He was nominated for Attorney General

383 NYCHardhat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:38:06pm

re: #371 opnion

I now see things differently. All of this corruption swirling around Obama.
All of these people that he thought he knew are not the people that he knew.
He remains pristine & untouched while all around him hustle a dishonest buck. He is truly the One.

His supporters will jump ship in due time. My guess is 2-3 years.

384 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:38:22pm

re: #359 DeafDog

Is it time for you to network with the team for outside the box solutions?

Supposedly, I'm considered the West Coast Team lead right now. Considering I'm the only person working on the West Coast, that doesn't exactly mean a whole lot to me right now

385 Dianna  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:38:23pm

re: #221 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

Redlands...East of Scam Berdino...

Whoa!

I'm bluing my nic! Write me! I grew up there!

386 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:38:25pm

re: #331 jcm

1.5 mile run - within 10:30 (sub 9:00)
swim 500m - within 16:00 (sidestroke or freestyle) (sub 9:00)
Swim 20m underwater
Pullups - 8 (20+)
Situps - 50 in 2:00 (100)
Pushups - 50 in 2:00 (100)
Flutterkicks - 50 in 2:00 (100)

Dare I say... the requirements are a lot less strenuous than I thought they'd be? Hell, I can do that, no problem.

387 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:38:43pm

re: #381 SurferDoc

Isn't this more fun than reading criticism of John McCain's cabinet picks?


And they would have been different how exactly?

388 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:38:48pm

re: #380 Wishing

I havent heard the story yet, but did Obama just toss the gov under the bus?

No, he threw the entire Chicago Machine under there...not too smart to bite the hand that feeds ya.

389 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:38:54pm

re: #107 n in wi

He needs help with that?

If he does, I'm sure we can get Jimmy Carter to give him a hug.

390 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:38:58pm

re: #376 Outrider

doesn't that grow hair on your palms when you do that?

No but it will make you go blind. ^00^

391 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:39:07pm

re: #335 MandyManners

Has anyone seen Steadman lately?

I love that Steadman wrote a book on how to succeed.It should have said.
'Date Oprah" The End

392 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:39:11pm

re: #388 Desert Dog

No, he threw the entire Chicago Machine under there...not too smart to bite the hand that feeds ya.

Hmm...wont someone bite back?

393 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:39:40pm

re: #371 opnion

I now see things differently. All of this corruption swirling around Obama.
All of these people that he thought he knew are not the people that he knew.
He remains pristine & untouched while all around him hustle a dishonest buck. He is truly the One.

Like Jesus breaking bread with the tax collectors.

394 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:39:47pm

re: #339 So?

Obama's gonna have to go shopping for a bigger bed.

/those Oprah sleepovers at the White House ;)

I will bet anyone that Michelle O will gain at least 30 - 40 pounds during the next four years.

395 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:39:49pm

re: #367 Occasional Reader

Um, that's not "the original".

This is the original.

(Love the concept of Buck Flago in the 25th Century, though)

OK, the original that is being parodied!

Besides, if you want to get technical, you'll find the original here.

396 NYCHardhat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:39:51pm

re: #392 Wishing

Hmm...wont someone bite back?

Only after he doesn't give them the favors he promised during his term.

397 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:39:54pm

re: #388 Desert Dog

No, he threw the entire Chicago Machine under there...not too smart to bite the hand that feeds ya.

Once your President all bets are off. Remember JFK ( and RFK ) threw the mafia under the bus?

398 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:40:10pm

re: #378 Desert Dog

Steadman is not a poster, he is a cut out...she drags it around and props it up when she's in public...then, puts in back in the closet when she's done...

I get it now...my second wife used to do that to me...

399 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:40:21pm

re: #384 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Quick! Send a barinstorming memo to your team before you are rightsized!

/I'm running out of business jargon

400 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:40:31pm

re: #392 Wishing

Hmm...wont someone bite back?

Actually, you will need sunglasses to view the players in Chicago now...they will all act like angels for a while...the halos will light up the sky.

401 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:40:35pm

re: #387 Nevergiveup

And they would have been different how exactly?

No difference. Only they would be laughing at us.

402 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:40:35pm

re: #394 Soona'

I will bet anyone that Michelle O will gain at least 30 - 40 pounds during the next four years.

Good. Maybe it'll fill out that Skeletor face a little.

403 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:41:04pm

re: #386 Occasional Reader

Dare I say... the requirements are a lot less strenuous than I thought they'd be? Hell, I can do that, no problem.

That's just to qualify and it was competitive. Then you have to survive the next two years, PJ school has a higher washout rate than SEALS IIRC.

404 yochanan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:41:30pm

re: #334 katemaclaren

No No No--Rosie's head melts at 98.6 given the right catalyst.

VACUMNS DON'T MELT

405 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:41:35pm

re: #364 n in wi

AH, now I get it. Follow me here. Blago is connected to the Trib, the Trib owns the Cubs, Bush was part owner of the Texas Rangers, Bush set up Blago so the Rangers could get CC Sabathia without bidding against the Cubs. ROVE YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD.

LOL
I think CC will go to the Angels..His era is 1.97 at that park..

406 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:41:43pm

re: #353 razorbacker

From Theo Spark's joint.

What no Tottys?

407 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:42:08pm

re: #395 gmsc

OK, the original that is being parodied!

Besides, if you want to get technical, you'll find the original here.

And don't forget Duck Dodgers.

408 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:42:09pm

re: #388 Desert Dog

No, he threw the entire Chicago Machine under there...not too smart to bite the hand that feeds ya.

He's gotta be careful there. The Outfit don't like people who throw them under da bus. They sent Obama, and expect theirs in return. He don't deliver, he's in deep.

409 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:42:11pm

re: #402 Wyatt Earp

Good. Maybe it'll fill out that Skeletor face a little.

Except with that red/black dress she would end up looking more like a spider than ever.

410 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:42:27pm

Ah, Of Course: Obama Claims No Contact with Blago; Axelrod's Nov. 23 Interview Says There Was Contact; Obama Team Now Says Axelrod "Misspoke"
—Ace

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

And it begins.

411 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:42:29pm

re: #405 HoosierHoops

LOL
I think CC will go to the Angels..His era is 1.97 at that park..

Dodgers. NL team, He love to bat.

412 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:42:58pm

re: #383 NYCHardhat

His supporters will jump ship in due time. My guess is 2-3 years.

I could just be an uncontrollable optimist, but it will happen.
The bar is impossibly high. Lefist constituent groups with different agendas all see him as mirroring their hopes. He Can't please everybody, even though he lead them to believe that he could. The fall will be hard.

413 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:43:07pm

re: #370 DeafDog

No, but you made me look...a butterfly, how cute.

Caroline kennedy's tattoo

Thank goodness it's not a tramp stamp...

414 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:43:17pm

re: #406 lifeofthemind

What no Tottys?

I don't post nekkid womyns here. I'm pure.

415 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:43:25pm

Did you get you Flago t-shirt yet?

416 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:43:39pm

re: #403 jcm

PJ school has a higher washout rate than SEALS IIRC

Bah. Both seem wimpy to me. I went to law school.

/

417 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:43:46pm

re: #380 Wishing

I havent heard the story yet, but did Obama just toss the gov under the bus?

"I knew nothing about this and I'll withhold comment on an ongoing investigation."

News media rushes to report "Obama not involved." Because he said so, you know.

Heck, I don't think he WAS involved in this particular scandal. It is just the media rushing to cover for him without evidence that bothers me. Their purpose in life, their role in democracy, is to give those really in charge, us, the truth about what is going on. They are failing a sacred trust.

418 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:43:51pm

re: #411 n in wi

Dodgers. NL team, He love to bat.

NYC sports talk shows are at the point were Yankee fans think that the Yankees should withdraw the 140 million offer and tell CC to stuff it.

419 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:44:05pm

re: #394 Soona'

I will bet anyone that Michelle O will gain at least 30 - 40 pounds during the next four years.

She won't be using her energy to find good prices on arugula.

420 kcladderman  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:44:08pm

re: #413 HoosierHoops

Thank goodness it's not a tramp stamp...

I would have thoughtMaybe This

421 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:44:17pm

re: #354 SurferDoc

She ate him?

LOL!

422 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:44:19pm

re: #413 HoosierHoops

Thank goodness it's not a tramp stamp...

OK I'll bite. What is a "Tramp Stamp"?

423 opnion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:44:20pm

re: #393 Silhouette

Like Jesus breaking bread with the tax collectors.


Just so, the Obama loves the greedy little rats and forgives them.

424 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:44:37pm

re: #396 NYCHardhat

Only after he doesn't give them the favors he promised during his term.

So he promised the gov some time in stripes?

425 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:00pm

re: #394 Soona'

I will bet anyone that Michelle O will gain at least 30 - 40 pounds during the next four years.

I think she already has!

426 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:12pm

re: #329 Silhouette

Wow, Dubya even caused Chicago corruption.

Man, he's good.

Evidence that Rove is still a magnificent bastard.

427 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:15pm

re: #418 Nevergiveup

NYC sports talk shows are at the point were Yankee fans think that the Yankees should withdraw the 140 million offer and tell CC to stuff it.

If they withdraw the offer, Could CC get a bail-out?

428 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:16pm

re: #417 Silhouette

Obama was involved to a point. It wasn't about whethere there was corruption, but that Blagojevich felt he was getting stiffed in the corruption.

429 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:16pm

re: #404 yochanan

VACUMNS DON'T MELT

But do VACUUMS?

430 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:16pm

re: #422 Nevergiveup

OK I'll bite. What is a "Tramp Stamp"?


Well, there is the upper tramp stamp, and the lower tramp stamp.

/purposefully vague

431 shiplord kirel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:26pm

Just got here and read the Blogajevich threads.
The case truly is mind-boggling and the media's reluctance to name his party would be comical if it weren't part of a corrupt national pattern that millions of Americans continue to ignore.
On a lighter note, I just wouldn't trust a 51 year old man with hair like that. I thought John Edwards and our very own Rick "Goodhair" Perry looked like shampoo commercials but Bloggo is an outright caricature of those two.

432 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:27pm

Like curve balls?

433 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:34pm

A great lolcat poster:

My Stedman. I eated him.

434 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:34pm

re: #417 Silhouette

News media rushes to report "Obama not involved." Because he said so, you know.

In fairness, Fitzgerald said pretty much the same thing.

435 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:49pm

re: #409 Outrider

Except with that red/black dress she would end up looking more like a spider than ever.

Well, Obama probably thinks she can spin silk out of her arse . . .

436 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:45:51pm

re: #410 Nevergiveup

Ah, Of Course: Obama Claims No Contact with Blago; Axelrod's Nov. 23 Interview Says There Was Contact; Obama Team Now Says Axelrod "Misspoke"
—Ace

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

And it begins.

The cover up is worse than the "crime"...Teflon or not, if this leads to him, he better fess up now...amazing...but, he is a Chicago politician, did we actually expect different?

437 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:46:21pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

Bah. Both seem wimpy to me. I went to law school.

/

The paper cuts. The eye strain. Oh, the horror, the horror.

To quote a famous lizard...I'm so tough that I fry bacon while naked.

438 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:46:22pm

re: #418 Nevergiveup

NYC sports talk shows are at the point were Yankee fans think that the Yankees should withdraw the 140 million offer and tell CC to stuff it.

LOL
The Yankees will roll over and pay him a 155 million contract..Didn't Zito get 153 as a free agent?

439 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:46:22pm

re: #430 Silhouette

Well, there is the upper tramp stamp, and the lower tramp stamp.

/purposefully vague

"Might as well be a bullseye." - Wedding Crashers

440 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:46:29pm

re: #412 opnion

I could just be an uncontrollable optimist, but it will happen.
The bar is impossibly high. Lefist constituent groups with different agendas all see him as mirroring their hopes. He Can't please everybody, even though he lead them to believe that he could. The fall will be hard.

Even Lou "I hate every singly politician in the world" Dobbs is putting his money on him.
Truly a chameleon par excellence.

441 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:46:36pm

re: #427 n in wi

If they withdraw the offer, Could CC get a bail-out?

No but if he doesn't take it since no one else is even within 40 million of the Yankees he should have his head examed.

442 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:46:50pm

re: #407 Occasional Reader

And don't forget Duck Dodgers.

Not a problem. Here you go!

443 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:47:11pm
444 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:47:16pm

re: #422 Nevergiveup

A tattoo located on a females lower back

445 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:47:20pm

re: #438 HoosierHoops

LOL
The Yankees will roll over and pay him a 155 million contract..Didn't Zito get 153 as a free agent?

Not from the Yankees! And that worked out well?

446 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:47:26pm

re: #437 razorbacker

The paper cuts. The eye strain. Oh, the horror, the horror.

Laugh if you must, but in BUDS, they don't have to learn the Rule Against Perpetuities.

447 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:47:28pm

re: #422 Nevergiveup

OK I'll bite. What is a "Tramp Stamp"?

Haven't you ever seen a girl with a tat on the small of her back..My daughter calls them tramp stamps..
hey..Who knew?

448 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:47:49pm

I couldn't resist!

449 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:47:59pm

re: #444 bulwrk

A tattoo located on a females lower back

I've lead a sheltered life i guess.

450 Ay, Caramba  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:48:01pm

Audio, video, witnesses...

COME ON, where's the proof?

451 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:48:04pm

re: #444 bulwrk

A tattoo located on a females lower back

Also known in some quarters as a slut strap.

452 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:48:34pm

re: #431 shiplord kirel

Just got here and read the Blogajevich threads.
The case truly is mind-boggling and the media's reluctance to name his party would be comical if it weren't part of a corrupt national pattern that millions of Americans continue to ignore.
On a lighter note, I just wouldn't trust a 51 year old man with hair like that. I thought John Edwards and our very own Rick "Goodhair" Perry looked like shampoo commercials but Bloggo is an outright caricature of those two.

Welcome to my world, the political arena we call Illinois. Illinois, where the bizarre is normal, up is down, and both Republicans and Democrats work together in a Combine for their own interests against other Republicans and Democrats who are "clean".

We're used to seeing this type of mind-boggling stuff on a weekly basis, at a minimum. You really need to see a Richard M. Daley press conference to truly appreciate it.

453 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:48:46pm

re: #444 bulwrk

A tattoo located on a females lower back

Looks like this

~!~
( %P% )

454 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:49:00pm

re: #443 buzzsawmonkey

If you want to break bread with a tax collector, you first need very stale bread.

Then, you grab your tax collector by the ankles, swing him round and bring his head down repeatedly upon the stale loaf.

Done properly, this yields a goodly amount of bread crumbs, which can then be used to coat chicken or tilapia filets for frying.

Dip the tax collector in batter then roll him in the bread crumbs. Voila! Oprah Lure

455 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:49:11pm

re: #370 DeafDog

No, but you made me look...a butterfly, how cute.

Caroline kennedy's tattoo

Looks like something administered by way of a sewing needle and indian ink behind the bike sheds, not that she would know what bike sheds were.

456 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:49:15pm

re: #434 Occasional Reader

In fairness, Fitzgerald said pretty much the same thing.

True, but after the Plame fiasco/investigation, Fitz only brought charges of 'perjury' against Libby. Did the Press take him at his word then, too?

457 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:49:17pm

Would be funny if they come and cuff him during inauguration. Great visiual!

458 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:49:31pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

Bah. Both seem wimpy to me. I went to law school.

/

ewww, law school, that is tough!

no sarc!

459 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:49:36pm

re: #441 Nevergiveup

No but if he doesn't take it since no one else is even within 40 million of the Yankees he should have his head examed.

He said from the beginning that it won't be just about the money. He's from Cal and wants to go there.

460 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:49:37pm

re: #453 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Looks like this

~!~
( %P% )

pepsi on monitor...

461 Eowyn2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:49:43pm

Drive by posting.
Some questions:

What's the current EBAY bid for Obama's senate seat?

Where can I find an office assistant that works for free? And no, the paperclip on windows will not be appropriate.

have a great week if I dont get back for a few days.

If you don't see me before the 19th, call the paramedics and tell them to search under the mounds of paper on my desk.

462 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:50:02pm

re: #457 Wishing

Would be funny if they come and cuff him during inauguration. Great visiual!

Pleasure overload! *drools*

463 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:50:20pm

re: #459 n in wi

He said from the beginning that it won't be just about the money. He's from Cal and wants to go there.

Fine, Good, get a going!

464 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:50:38pm

re: #455 A Kiwi Infidel

Looks like something administered by way of a sewing needle and indian ink behind the bike sheds, not that she would know what bike sheds were.

Jail stamp

465 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:50:59pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

Point taken. But you know as well as I that isn't so much a rule as a suggestion.

I kid. I love the law. I especially love how no matter how disgusting, how guilty, now chairworthy, that you can always find someone to take your side. Course you have to pay them, but still.

466 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:51:19pm
467 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:51:21pm

re: #457 Wishing

Would be funny if they come and cuff him during inauguration. Great visiual!

It's a good opportunity to swear him in for testimony. I mean, the judge and the Bible are already there...;~)

468 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:51:27pm

re: #461 Eowyn2

Drive by posting.
Some questions:

What's the current EBAY bid for Obama's senate seat?

Where can I find an office assistant that works for free? And no, the paperclip on windows will not be appropriate.

have a great week if I dont get back for a few days.

If you don't see me before the 19th, call the paramedics and tell them to search under the mounds of paper on my desk.

I'll be your assistant! All I ask is one peanut M&M per week.

469 jamgarr  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:51:27pm

Until about 6 months ago my son didn't know what a trampstamp was. I told him. Only later did I see that his GF has 2 (upper and lower). NTTAWWT

470 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:51:48pm

re: #464 Wishing

Jail stamp


Well, could be. She done time?

471 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:51:50pm

re: #457 Wishing

Would be funny if they come and cuff him during inauguration. Great visiual!

"No, no. Don't mind us. Keep going."

472 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:52:06pm

re: #457 Wishing

Would be funny if they come and cuff him during inauguration. Great visiual!

Think - President Joe Biden - and the humor ends

473 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:52:14pm

re: #235 Ben Hur

Environmental Guy

That was hilarious. :)

My son sent me this just now. So, am I the only person who hadn't heard it?
Foo Fighters cover Baker Street
Love the Foos; and it's definitely interesting.

474 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:52:42pm

re: #469 jamgarr

Until about 6 months ago my son didn't know what a trampstamp was. I told him. Only later did I see that his GF has 2 (upper and lower). NTTAWWT

Where is an "upper" tramp stamp located?

475 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:52:52pm

re: #445 Nevergiveup

Not from the Yankees! And that worked out well?

You are correct..But it seems once somebody gets a 100 million or whatever then that is the bottom number as a base Salary for free agents...

476 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:09pm

re: #422 Nevergiveup

OK I'll bite. What is a "Tramp Stamp"?

re: #444 bulwrk

A tattoo located on a females lower back

You know - arse antlers, slag tags, California license plates!

477 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:17pm

re: #474 Occasional Reader

Where is an "upper" tramp stamp located?

Ink above the stink?

478 stuiec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:24pm

re: #70 MandyManners

Must be hell trying to find a good ob-gyn.

That is a really old joke:

OB-GYN: Well, everything looks fine in here. Well, everything looks fine in here.

50-FOOT-WOMAN: Why did you repeat yourself, Doctor?

OB-GYN: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't...

479 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:32pm

re: #474 Occasional Reader

Where is an "upper" tramp stamp located?

I've got one between my breasts. Oh, I've said too much.

480 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:45pm

re: #475 HoosierHoops

You are correct..But it seems once somebody gets a 100 million or whatever then that is the bottom number as a base Salary for free agents...

Things seem to be much tighter this year.

481 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:52pm

re: #467 Salamantis

It's a good opportunity to swear him in for testimony. I mean, the judge and the Bible are already there...;~)

Koran, koran!

482 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:53:59pm

re: #468 Wyatt Earp

I'll be your assistant! All I ask is one peanut M&M per week.

PROOF OF EVOLUTION, PAY PEANUTS, GET MONKEYS, WYATT EARP COVER BLOWN, REALLY I.T. SAVVY GIBBON LIVING AT SAN DIEGO ZOO.

483 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:54:31pm

re: #452 Honorary Yooper

Welcome to my world, the political arena we call Illinois. Illinois, where the bizarre is normal, up is down, and both Republicans and Democrats work together in a Combine for their own interests against other Republicans and Democrats who are "clean".

We're used to seeing this type of mind-boggling stuff on a weekly basis, at a minimum. You really need to see a Richard M. Daley press conference to truly appreciate it.

A long time ago I remember reading about some FBI corruption sting in Chicago in the late '70s or early '80s. The FBI had heard that there was some malfeasance in the judicial system. By the end of their investigation, the FBI arrested (IIRC) 2 judges, 100+attorneys and quite a few other court employees. I think it was a Reader's Digest article, but I am not sure.

484 jamgarr  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:54:33pm

re: #474 Occasional Reader

Where is an "upper" tramp stamp located?


Some of them get "wings" there if that helps.

485 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:54:35pm

re: #482 A Kiwi Infidel

PROOF OF EVOLUTION, PAY PEANUTS, GET MONKEYS, WYATT EARP COVER BLOWN, REALLY I.T. SAVVY GIBBON LIVING AT SAN DIEGO ZOO.

Bawahahahahahahahaha!

486 Opinionated  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:54:45pm

Number 100 - JUST DIE

UN Human Rights Council 'recommends' 99 gestures for Israel to make to Palestinians; Syria, Egypt, Iran condemn Israel settlement construction.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

487 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:54:53pm

re: #472 DeafDog

Think - President Joe Biden - and the humor ends

no kidding! Horrifying!
But I think we could placate Joe with a good party and a karaoke machine. He might not do too much damage.

488 stuiec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:55:30pm

re: #451 Salamantis

Also known in some quarters as a slut strap.

Arkansas license plate?

489 Eowyn2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:55:33pm

re: #468 Wyatt Earp

done, get your butt over here and start typing!
we'll be working another couple hours tonight but tomorrow I expect you to be here at 6 am, we'll be here until 9 or 10 pm so bring plenty of water or your soft drink of choice.

okay, i'll supply the soft drink of my choice.

damn fed paperwork.

490 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:55:42pm

re: #464 Wishing

I believe all Kennedy women get that at birth so drunken Kennedy men know not to hit on them.

491 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:55:44pm

Huh. And I thought that a 'tramp stamp' was what a high class hooker used to validate your parking.

My bad.

492 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:55:55pm

re: #487 Wishing

no kidding! Horrifying!
But I think we could placate Joe with a good party and a karaoke machine. He might not do too much damage.

Yes, he might turn out to be the Dem version of Gerald Ford.

493 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:56:28pm

Look!

They have Tramp Stamp Tuesdays

494 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:56:29pm

re: #489 Eowyn2

done, get your butt over here and start typing!
we'll be working another couple hours tonight but tomorrow I expect you to be here at 6 am, we'll be here until 9 or 10 pm so bring plenty of water or your soft drink of choice.

okay, i'll supply the soft drink of my choice.

damn fed paperwork.

There's a 6am now? I hereby withdraw my application!

495 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:56:46pm

re: #490 bulwrk

Like that would stop them,just being related

496 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:57:12pm

re: #483 David IV of Georgia

Exactly. I tell people from other places what goes on here, and nobody seems to believe me until they see something like Blagojevich's arrest today. It's fucking nuts, and that's puting it mildly.

497 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:57:35pm

re: #486 Opinionated

Number 100 - JUST DIE

UN Human Rights Council 'recommends' 99 gestures for Israel to make to Palestinians; Syria, Egypt, Iran condemn Israel settlement construction.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Well there is only one suggestion I have for the UN Human Rights Council and it involves my middle finger.

498 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:57:44pm

Religion of education...
Teachers 'beat and abuse' Muslim children in British Koran classes

Muslim children are being beaten and abused regularly by teachers at some British madrassas - Islamic evening classes - an investigation by The Times has found.

Students have been slapped, punched and had their ears twisted, according to an unpublished report by an imam based on interviews with victims in the north of England. One was “picked up by one leg and spun around” while another said a madrassa teacher was “kicking in my head - like a football”, says the report which was compiled by Irfan Chishti, a former government adviser on Islamic affairs.

...social workers were often faced by parents who refused to take action against the abusers. “When child protection turns up at the parents' [home], parents don't want to take it any further. There are a lot of head teachers in this area who have spoken to the authorities. It's so sensitive,” she said.

499 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:58:18pm

re: #480 Nevergiveup

Things seem to be much tighter this year.

yup..instead of 50,000.00 per pitch..it may drop down to 47,000.00 per pitch.
I hope they can still feed the family after the depression..
:)

500 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:58:25pm

re: #490 bulwrk

I believe all Kennedy women get that at birth so drunken Kennedy men know not to hit on them.

It's so they know which women to pull out of the sinking cars first.

501 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:58:27pm

re: #486 Opinionated

Number 100 - JUST DIE

UN Human Rights Council 'recommends' 99 gestures for Israel to make to Palestinians; Syria, Egypt, Iran condemn Israel settlement construction.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]


I see the second post in response was;

2. UN will meet G-d
watching the UN from a safe distance - (12/09/2008 22:53)

And I concur.

502 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:59:56pm

re: #422 Nevergiveup

OK I'll bite. What is a "Tramp Stamp"?

Here are some pictures of tramp stamps from around the world.

503 yochanan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 2:59:59pm

re: #496 Honorary Yooper

Exactly. I tell people from other places what goes on here, and nobody seems to believe me until they see something like Blagojevich's arrest today. It's fucking nuts, and that's puting it mildly.

I REMEMBER WHEN ONE OF THE LAKE FRONT LIB ALDERMAN GOT SENT TO CLUB FED

504 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:00:42pm

re: #497 Nevergiveup

Well there is only one suggestion I have for the UN Human Rights Council and it involves my middle finger.

Does it look something like this?
‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

505 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:00:54pm

re: #500 n in wi

It's so they know which women to pull out of the sinking cars first.


OOohhh, ouch

506 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:00:54pm

re: #486 Opinionated

I can think of lots of gestures that Israel could make to the Palestinians.

507 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:01:01pm

re: #449 Nevergiveup

I've lead a sheltered life i guess.

I suggest going to the mall, sitting down, and leching out.
/

508 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:02:02pm

I believe the tattoos below the neck but still on the back are upper tramp stamps.

509 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:02:25pm

re: #506 David IV of Georgia

I can think of lots of gestures that Israel could make to the Palestinians.

And Obama can help them with that!

510 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:02:38pm

re: #507 Soona'

I suggest going to the mall, sitting down, and leching out.
/

No way, that would hurt. It would be like going to the zoo and watching the apes all day.

They do disgusting things.

511 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:02:38pm

re: #493 Silhouette

Look!

They have Tramp Stamp Tuesdays

I've a new pair of Liz Claiborne jeans that hit at mid-rise...

512 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:02:56pm

re: #473 gop_patriot

That was hilarious. :)

My son sent me this just now. So, am I the only person who hadn't heard it?
Foo Fighters cover Baker Street
Love the Foos; and it's definitely interesting.


I like it!

513 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:03:26pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I've a new pair of Liz Claiborne jeans that hit at mid-rise...

Verify please.

514 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:03:58pm

re: #484 jamgarr

Some of them get "wings" there if that helps.

I once asked a buddy why the girl he was dating had 2 tattoos of bushells of bananas on her back. She broke up with him before he could stop laughing about it

515 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:04:04pm

re: #367 Occasional Reader

Um, that's not "the original".

This is the original.

(Love the concept of Buck Flago in the 25th Century, though)

Oh, crap!

I actually remember this stuff... Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon...

'scuse me, y'all. I gotta go take a nap...

516 Cheechako  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:04:13pm

re: #479 Wyatt Earp

I've got one between my breasts. Oh, I've said too much.

Is it a badge or a target?

/

517 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:04:44pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I've a new pair of Liz Claiborne jeans that hit at mid-rise...

Oh?...

518 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:04:45pm

Haar, Evening mates! Where do I meet one of these stamp trampers? The beach?

519 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:04:56pm

re: #493 Silhouette

Look!

They have Tramp Stamp Tuesdays

That last girl, in the shorts on the right, had some serious muffin top going on.

520 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:05:31pm

re: #518 loflyer

Any trendy nightclub

521 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:05:53pm

I wonder if the blog owner at Tramp Stamp Tuesdays is wondering about the sudden surge in traffic.

522 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:06:03pm

re: #486 Opinionated

Number 100 - JUST DIE

UN Human Rights Council 'recommends' 99 gestures for Israel to make to Palestinians; Syria, Egypt, Iran condemn Israel settlement construction.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

And the Fakes will, of course, be required to make gestures as well, like refusing to recognise Israel's right to even exist, continuing to kill, however possible, men women and children of Israel, blaming Israel for their self-inflicted plight...need I go on?

523 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:06:07pm

uh-oh.

524 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:06:14pm

re: #509 Silhouette

re: #506 David IV of Georgia
I can think of lots of gestures that Israel could make to the Palestinians.

And Obama can help them with that!

See #504 for a graphical illustration of what I meant by "gesture".

525 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:06:26pm

re: #516 Cheechako

Is it a badge or a target?

/

A little from Column A, a little from Column B . . . Heh.

526 Kragar  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:06:28pm

re: #523 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

uh-oh.

Spaghetti-Os?

527 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:06:58pm

re: #318 goddessoftheclassroom

Forgive me if you've seen this before...

Back in after a lengthy interruption (workmen are replacing the apartment's hot water heater.)

Yes, I've seen that ... but MWAH! anyway!

528 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:07:08pm

re: #520 bulwrk

Any trendy nightclub

Or like I said. The mall. That's where most of them are before Christmas.

529 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:07:15pm

According to my buddy Niccolò, a bad reputation should be avoided, this is not crucial in maintaining power. I suggest that our friend the governor read his copy of The Prince, but only the portions he liked?

530 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:07:19pm

re: #519 CyanSnowHawk

That last girl, in the shorts on the right, had some serious muffin top going on.

Top O' The Muffin . . . To You! (Seinfeld)

531 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:07:21pm
532 Wide Right  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:07:30pm

re: #451 Salamantis

and my favorite...ass antlers

533 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:07:58pm

re: #531 ploome hineni

34 DD

*whimper*

6P6P6P6P6P6P

534 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:08:13pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I've a new pair of Liz Claiborne jeans that hit at mid-rise...

If you would like to send me a photo of said jeans, I can see if they are appropriate for outdoor wear. It's okay, I'm a cop. We're like doctors . . .

535 yochanan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:08:22pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I've a new pair of Liz Claiborne jeans that hit at mid-rise...

GOT PICS?

536 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:08:22pm

re: #519 CyanSnowHawk

That last girl, in the shorts on the right, had some serious muffin top going on.

You haven't seen muffin tops till you've been to Gallup, New Mexico. No freakin' kidding, either!

537 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:08:34pm

re: #524 David IV of Georgia

See #504 for a graphical illustration of what I meant by "gesture".

I don't remember where I first found that one. Might have been here. (If so H/T to the lizard that posted it)
I like to call it, "Kilroy was here, and he doesn't like you."

538 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:09:10pm

re: #531 ploome hineni

34 DD

I'm sorry, but I must have passed out there for a moment. What were you saying?

539 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:09:14pm

re: #527 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why would you heat hot water?

;-)

540 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:09:20pm

re: #331 jcm

I wanted a shot at PJ (Para-rescue) school:
1.5 mile run - within 10:30 (sub 9:00)
swim 500m - within 16:00 (sidestroke or freestyle) (sub 9:00)
Swim 20m underwater
Pullups - 8 (20+)
Situps - 50 in 2:00 (100)
Pushups - 50 in 2:00 (100)
Flutterkicks - 50 in 2:00 (100)

This was continuous went I was going for it. Run, dive in the pool, then do the rest, overall time was important also.

I got in shape before basic... took several month to get back into shape.

See, that was the problem, you were in such good shape going in that the AF simply HAD to get you out of shape! Conformity!

541 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:09:46pm

re: #535 yochanan

GOT PICS?

I asked first. Get in line.

542 shiplord kirel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:09:52pm

My first wife, later known as Jabba the Slutt, had (and presumably still has) a natural birthmark that resembled the well-known butterfly tatoo. At the time (early 70s) this was not yet a trend among promiscuo-Americans, but it seems prophetic in retrospect.

543 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:10:45pm

re: #341 Outrider

Is that why they had civilians cooking in the mess halls? Weren't sure of the risk factor of one of our Boys in Blue handling sharp implements? ;-)>

Naw. I'm ex-Navy. JCM's ex-Air Force.
/go figure .. (-:

544 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:10:46pm

re: #542 shiplord kirel

My first wife, later known as Jabba the Slutt, had (and presumably still has) a natural birthmark that resembled the well-known butterfly tatoo. At the time (early 70s) this was not yet a trend among promiscuo-Americans, but it seems prophetic in retrospect.

And if you had 20/20 foresight . . .

545 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:10:49pm

re: #526 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Spaghetti-Os?

Purty damned close.

546 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:10:54pm

re: #542 shiplord kirel

My first wife, later known as Jabba the Slutt . . .

Funniest thing I've heard all day!

547 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:10:59pm

re: #536 father_of_10

You haven't seen muffin tops till you've been to Gallup, New Mexico. No freakin' kidding, either!

Or a hot-rod convention in Okla. City. (I still have nightmares)

548 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:11:10pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

Laugh if you must, but in BUDS, they don't have to learn the Rule Against Perpetuities.

on the other hand you would probably not have a canopy streamer at 2,500' while standing before the judge. ;-)>

549 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:11:39pm
550 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:12:26pm

re: #536 father_of_10

You haven't seen muffin tops till you've been to Gallup, New Mexico. No freakin' kidding, either!

Been there, seen that.
I always stop for gas at that big truck stop on I-40 on the West side of town on my road trips to Amarillo.

551 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:13:06pm

re: #548 Outrider

on the other hand you would probably not have a canopy streamer at 2,500' while standing before the judge. ;-)>

Pack your own... and a reserve...

552 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:13:58pm

re: #550 CyanSnowHawk

Been there, seen that.
I always stop for gas at that big truck stop on I-40 on the West side of town on my road trips to Amarillo.

why that would bring you right across the beautiful valley of the Rio Grande...lucky you!...

553 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:14:06pm

re: #539 Silhouette

Why would you heat hot water?

;-)

*GROAN*

554 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:14:08pm

re: #512 Thanos

I like it!

Glad you enjoyed it. :)

555 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:14:32pm

re: #531 ploome hineni

34 DD

I'm getting sick and tired of people who don't back up their claims with HD video.

556 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:15:34pm

re: #527 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How kittehs grow up to be smarter than dogs...

557 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:15:46pm

re: #548 Outrider

re: #446 Occasional Reader

Can't you two just agree that Commander Harm from the TV show JAG is the real tough guy here? He's a pilot and a lawyer.

And I think also a champion bull rider.

558 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:16:04pm

re: #539 Silhouette

Why would you heat hot water?

;-)

Why do we park in the driveway.
And drive on the parkway?

559 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:16:07pm

Mates, I arrived to late to participate in the Illinois gov. corruption case thread but I think that there will be a lot of political fallout over this one. It seems like we have more corruption than ever with the politicians trying to better themselves rather than their constituents. And the Al Franken vote stealing, 'er finding project is looking more corrupt than ever and when you combine the ACORN voter registration fraud, the Al Franken BS, and now the governor being charged, it looks like Chicago,Illinois is the capital of corruption in this country. I do know one thing, the FBI hates corrupt politicians more than any thing and will make every effort to get down to the bottom of this. Yaaar!

560 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:16:09pm

re: #557 Silhouette

Can't you two just agree that Commander Harm from the TV show JAG is the real tough guy here? He's a pilot and a lawyer.

And I think also a champion bull rider.

So is Steadman.

561 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:17:21pm
562 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:17:25pm

re: #557 Silhouette

Can't you two just agree that Commander Harm from the TV show JAG is the real tough guy here? He's a pilot and a lawyer.

And I think also a champion bull rider.

Only one reason to watch JAG...

563 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:17:26pm

re: #551 jcm

Pack your own... and a reserve...

when I was skydiving I did. The military doesn't permit it, although we had reserves.

The kids down the street (Ranger Batt) are telling me they routinely do jumps from 500'. Not much call for a reserve there.

564 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:17:46pm

re: #533 MandyManners

*whimper*

6P6P6P6P6P6P

Doc asked when my last mammogram was. Told him I self-exam --- if I find a lump, I'm going right out and buy a bra!

565 yochanan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:17:50pm

re: #555 Spare O'Lake

I'm getting sick and tired of people who don't back up their claims with HD video.

PROVE IT

566 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:17:58pm

re: #493 Silhouette

Look!

They have Tramp Stamp Tuesdays

That first one, the one dressed sort of like a stormtrooper - I've found the perfect shoes for her!


Mmmm . . . Female stormtroopers!

567 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:18:08pm

re: #556 goddessoftheclassroom

How kittehs grow up to be smarter than dogs...

AWWW!

568 Dianna  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:18:24pm

re: #472 DeafDog

Think - President Joe Biden - and the humor ends

It gets worse, because President Biden would have a gibbering breakdown in a month.

Then...President Pelosi!

569 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:18:40pm

re: #563 Outrider

when I was skydiving I did. The military doesn't permit it, although we had reserves.

The kids down the street (Ranger Batt) are telling me they routinely do jumps from 500'. Not much call for a reserve there.

IIRC, in SOF chute packing is permitted.

570 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:18:44pm

re: #561 ploome hineni

well, ok

here is the pic

LOL
you rock Ploome..very cute.

571 wiffersnapper  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:18:44pm

boobs

572 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:19:09pm
573 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:19:16pm

re: #557 Silhouette

Can't you two just agree that Commander Harm from the TV show JAG is the real tough guy here? He's a pilot and a lawyer.

And I think also a champion bull rider.

OK. The bull rider part got me. I've never met a wuss bull rider. ;-)>

574 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:19:24pm

re: #560 Wyatt Earp

So is Steadman.

LOL!

575 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:19:36pm

re: #552 albusteve

why that would bring you right across the beautiful valley of the Rio Grande...lucky you!...

On one of my first trips, heading East, I crested the hill going into Albuquerque, just before Coors Rd. IIRC, at about 3AM and the city lights just opened up in front of me. Especially remarkable was the way that I-40 has overhead lights about every quarter mile. It traces an almost straight line right through the middle of it.

576 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:19:45pm

re: #561 ploome hineni

well, ok

here is the pic

BOING!

577 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:20:12pm

re: #571 wiffersnapper

boobs


Close

578 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:20:13pm

re: #559 loflyer

Mates, I arrived to late to participate in the Illinois gov. corruption case thread but I think that there will be a lot of political fallout over this one. It seems like we have more corruption than ever with the politicians trying to better themselves rather than their constituents. And the Al Franken vote stealing, 'er finding project is looking more corrupt than ever and when you combine the ACORN voter registration fraud, the Al Franken BS, and now the governor being charged, it looks like Chicago,Illinois is the capital of corruption in this country. I do know one thing, the FBI hates corrupt politicians more than any thing and will make every effort to get down to the bottom of this. Yaaar!

They will if the Obama justice department lets them. Which, IMHO, will never happen.

579 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:20:24pm

re: #564 LeePro

Doc asked when my last mammogram was. Told him I self-exam --- if I find a lump, I'm going right out and buy a bra!

LOL!

580 Dianna  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:20:26pm

re: #531 ploome hineni

34 DD

36 B lands where in all this?

581 yochanan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:20:34pm

re: #562 jcm

Only one reason to watch JAG...

THAT IS NOT WIFE SAFE, OUCH

582 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:21:32pm

re: #561 ploome hineni

well, ok
here is the pic

I heard Ford had good suspension.

583 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:21:34pm

re: #561 ploome hineni

well, ok

here is the pic

Yippee!

584 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:22:00pm

re: #561 ploome hineni

well, ok

here is the pic

So, I didn't know you had purple hair. Is 34DD really all that big?
/

585 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:22:11pm

re: #581 yochanan

Sorry...

586 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:22:36pm

re: #561 ploome hineni

well, ok

here is the pic

This one seems more appropriate.

587 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:23:01pm

re: #580 Dianna

36 B lands where in all this?

Right on top.

Insert your own double entendre here.

588 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:23:13pm

Lunch,

BBL

589 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:23:23pm

re: #562 jcm

Only one reason to watch JAG...

My dad made me watch JAG with him and the first scene had a large cabin with a porthole and no overhead piping. I lost interest soon after that. At least have your sets realistic mates.

590 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:23:24pm

re: #560 Wyatt Earp

So is Steadman.

Thread winner!

591 Dianna  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:23:33pm

re: #587 Wyatt Earp

Right on top.

Insert your own double entendre here.

I'm already attached?

592 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:23:55pm

re: #576 MandyManners

BOING!

The "Ford" bounce!

593 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:24:33pm

re: #590 SurferDoc

Thread winner!

Thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

594 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:24:51pm

re: #591 Dianna

I'm already attached?

How could you not be? You're Dianna!

595 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:24:57pm

re: #575 CyanSnowHawk

On one of my first trips, heading East, I crested the hill going into Albuquerque, just before Coors Rd. IIRC, at about 3AM and the city lights just opened up in front of me. Especially remarkable was the way that I-40 has overhead lights about every quarter mile. It traces an almost straight line right through the middle of it.

exactly the same for me in 1972...alot of cool long vistas out here...the west mesa is really getting built up now but that one is a classic imo

596 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:24:58pm

Veterinarians reattach cat's face

Veterinarians in Boston on Tuesday performed an unusual surgery to reattach the face of a cat they believe was injured by a car’s fan belt, probably because she tried to stay warm under the hood.

Edgar, a 4-year-old long-haired feline, went missing from her home in Winthrop for three days last week. When she finally came home, her owner found her in her litter box — with part of her face dangling from her head.

“When her owner saw her face, she passed out,” said Elizabeth Kendrick, a surgical technician at Angell Animal Medical Center. The owner, who asked not to be identified, recovered from the shock and rushed Edgar to an animal hospital.

Remarkably, Edgar suffered no major blood loss nor any permanent nerve damage from her accident. She just needed to have her facial skin stitched back on during an hour-long surgery, according to veterinary surgeon Michael Pavletic.

“And she should be fine after this,” Pavletic said.

/one more reason why cats belong indoors

597 yochanan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:25:31pm

re: #585 jcm

Sorry...

WIFIE BUSTED ME

598 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:26:24pm

re: #597 yochanan

WIFIE BUSTED ME

Tell her my fault... you were an innocent bystander!

599 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:27:13pm

re: #578 Soona'

They will if the Obama justice department lets them. Which, IMHO, will never happen.

Some things take up a life of its own that even the admistration cannot stop because the corruption incenses the American public, and the media loves a good corruption case, no matter what the party affiliation...

600 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:27:21pm

Hello Lizards. I just read up to page 63 of the Compaint filed against Blagohair and Harris. About 61 they start mentioning the "President-Elect" and couldn't take it anymore.

This is real sh!tty.

Now I have to feed the dogs.

601 Dianna  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:27:29pm

re: #596 Killian Bundy

Indeed they do! And I really don't blame the owner for passing out - that had to be awful.

602 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:30:36pm

re: #596 Killian Bundy

Veterinarians reattach cat's face

/one more reason why cats belong indoors

indoor cats are not really cats...they become something else...my old barn cat was 23 when she fell over dead...never strayed for more than a coupla days...didnt ask a whole lot of me and was the closest thing to an african lion God ever made

603 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:32:14pm

The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said on Tuesday she hoped Barack Obama's presidency would return the United States to "the international family" after eight years of scant cooperation.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Get a real job will ya! Oh and fuck you also!

604 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:32:15pm

Cats are tough. One of mine came home half scalped. The skin grew back, hair and all. I have never seen anything like that.

605 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:32:19pm

They've found the fourth victim in the F-18 crash. Death toll now officially four.

606 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:32:39pm

re: #562 jcm

Only one reason to watch JAG...

According to Wiki:
She's a marksman
She speaks Farsi, mother was Iranian
She's married :-(
She's a Scientologist

607 Dianna  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:33:37pm

re: #602 albusteve

indoor cats are not really cats...they become something else...my old barn cat was 23 when she fell over dead...never strayed for more than a coupla days...didnt ask a whole lot of me and was the closest thing to an african lion God ever made

Yes, but you live where there's a barn and plenty of space.

I live in San Jose. My Justin would last about 15 minutes before 1) the golden eagle said, "Lunch!"; 2) a fox said, "Dinner for the kits!"; 3) one of the ferals decided he needed to be taken down a few pegs; 4) a car hit him.

Justin remains a cat, and a good one.

608 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:34:04pm

re: #605 CyanSnowHawk

They've found the fourth victim in the F-18 crash. Death toll now officially four.

That's a real shame. I feel for all the victims and their families and also for the Pilot who I am sure is very upset also.

609 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:34:35pm

re: #607 Dianna

Yes, but you live where there's a barn and plenty of space.

I live in San Jose. My Justin would last about 15 minutes before 1) the golden eagle said, "Lunch!"; 2) a fox said, "Dinner for the kits!"; 3) one of the ferals decided he needed to be taken down a few pegs; 4) a car hit him.

Justin remains a cat, and a good one.

I agree that indoor cats not JUST cats--they're KITTEHS!

610 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:34:48pm

re: #607 Dianna

Yes, but you live where there's a barn and plenty of space.

I live in San Jose. My Justin would last about 15 minutes before 1) the golden eagle said, "Lunch!"; 2) a fox said, "Dinner for the kits!"; 3) one of the ferals decided he needed to be taken down a few pegs; 4) a car hit him.

Justin remains a cat, and a good one.

Ourdoors to my 3 cats is the garage!

611 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:35:02pm

re: #605 CyanSnowHawk

They've found the fourth victim in the F-18 crash. Death toll now officially four.

Crap, I know the pilot has to feel badly about this. Probably wishes he had gone down with the A/C. Bad news all the way around mates!

612 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:35:23pm

re: #606 lifeofthemind

According to Wiki:
She's a marksman
She speaks Farsi, mother was Iranian
She's married :-(
She's a Scientologist

+
+
-
-

*SIGH*

613 snopercod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:35:32pm

Sarah Palin for Governor of Illinois!

614 rusty_armor  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:35:56pm

re: #603 Nevergiveup

The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said on Tuesday she hoped Barack Obama's presidency would return the United States to "the international family" after eight years of scant cooperation.
blockquote>

We need to take a couple of Billion, build the UN a new headquarters, maybe in Paris, implode their HQ in New York City, put concertina wire arouund it, mine the rubble and salt the ground ...

615 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:36:15pm

re: #609 goddessoftheclassroom

they're KITTEHS!

among many MANY other things ... (which had best go un-specified)

616 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:36:18pm

re: #613 snopercod

Sarah Palin for Governor of Illinois!

She lives in a paradise. Why would she want to move to a cesspool?

617 Dianna  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:36:19pm

re: #610 Nevergiveup

Ourdoors to my 3 cats is the garage!

I don't even want to think about what Justin would "say" if I were to try to put him in the garage.

618 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:36:20pm

re: #607 Dianna

Yes, but you live where there's a barn and plenty of space.

I live in San Jose. My Justin would last about 15 minutes before 1) the golden eagle said, "Lunch!"; 2) a fox said, "Dinner for the kits!"; 3) one of the ferals decided he needed to be taken down a few pegs; 4) a car hit him.

Justin remains a cat, and a good one.

I dont mean to sound presumptuous...I've been charmed with my pets my whole life...Justin is cool with me...he's a cat and there is no other critter like 'em...HAIL!

619 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:36:32pm

re: #608 Nevergiveup

That's a real shame. I feel for all the victims and their families and also for the Pilot who I am sure is very upset also.

I really hope that the investigation finds that there was absolutely nothing he could have done to prevent hitting those homes.

620 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:36:36pm

Oh Katie Couric is gonna get in trouble! She showed a clip from last week that showed Blago with a big huge (D) next to his name.

621 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:36:37pm

re: #602 albusteve

indoor cats are not really cats...they become something else...my old barn cat was 23 when she fell over dead...never strayed for more than a coupla days...didnt ask a whole lot of me and was the closest thing to an african lion God ever made

I have indoor/outdoor cats. They have a large fenced in yard with lots of trees and bushes. When they want in or out, they have a cat door. Cats are happier if they can get out at least a little while during the day.

622 Dianna  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:36:53pm

I'm out.

Take care!

623 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:37:04pm

re: #613 snopercod

Sarah Palin for Governor of Illinois!

Illinois would arrest her for owning guns. Never understood to the Democrats total hatred for Palin and what she stands for.

624 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:37:35pm

re: #614 rusty_armor

Shit if we are paying, they should move to the Sudan or someplace like that.

625 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:37:45pm

re: #615 pre-Boomer Marine brat

among many MANY other things ... (which had best go un-specified)

Did you say something?

626 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:37:53pm

re: #609 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree that indoor cats not JUST cats--they're KITTEHS!

here Kitteh Kitteh?...hmmm...rhinstone collars and stuff...thtas cool

627 rusty_armor  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:38:15pm

re: #623 loflyer

Illinois would arrest her for owning guns. Never understood to the Democrats total hatred for Palin and what she stands for.

She rained on their parade . . .

628 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:38:23pm

re: #617 Dianna

I don't even want to think about what Justin would "say" if I were to try to put him in the garage.

My cats love the garage. To them it's like a holiday.

629 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:38:24pm

re: #622 Dianna

I'm out.

Take care!

Night Diana!

630 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:38:45pm

re: #611 loflyer

Crap, I know the pilot has to feel badly about this. Probably wishes he had gone down with the A/C. Bad news all the way around mates!

All the witnesses say that he bailed out pretty low, so he must have been trying. They also say that the plane was quiet before he punched out. Without power, I can't imagine he had much choice about where it came down.

631 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:39:27pm

re: #621 Soona'

I have indoor/outdoor cats. They have a large fenced in yard with lots of trees and bushes. When they want in or out, they have a cat door. Cats are happier if they can get out at least a little while during the day.

well of course...cats need to climb trees and stalk...thats what they do...I really did cats

632 kcladderman  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:39:30pm

re: #562 jcm

Only one reason to watch JAG...

Actually I see two.

633 snopercod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:39:32pm

re: #596 Killian Bundy

We had a cat once that used to like to sleep on warm engine blocks. When my son started up one morning, she lost her tail in the fan belt. After the de-tailification, she ran off. Four days later, she came back a Mantz and lived tailless to a ripe old age.

634 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:40:17pm

re: #628 Nevergiveup

My cats love the garage. To them it's like a holiday.

Our demon cat goes down to the river and kills rats and brings them home. Nothing like a fresh killed rat on the back deck when we get up to let the dog out in the morning!@

635 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:40:27pm

re: #632 kcladderman

Actually I see two.

I've never really watched. What does she play?

636 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:40:39pm

re: #625 goddessoftheclassroom

Did you say something?

Yes -- your secret's out.

637 snopercod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:40:54pm

re: #623 loflyer

Seriously, I wouldn't wish Illinois on Sara Palin. Living there is it's own punishment.

638 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:40:59pm

re: #623 loflyer

Illinois would arrest her for owning guns. Never understood to the Democrats total hatred for Palin and what she stands for.

I don't understand the hatred many Republicans have for her; including some here on LGF.

639 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:41:00pm

re: #633 snopercod

We had a cat once that used to like to sleep on warm engine blocks. When my son started up one morning, she lost her tail in the fan belt. After the de-tailification, she ran off. Four days later, she came back a Mantz and lived tailless to a ripe old age.

a fine tail with a happy ending!...cats rule

640 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:41:31pm

re: #630 CyanSnowHawk

All the witnesses say that he bailed out pretty low, so he must have been trying. They also say that the plane was quiet before he punched out. Without power, I can't imagine he had much choice about where it came down.

Jets glide like bricks and with no power the hydraulics freeze up. You have to deploy a ram air turbine to give you emergency power and he probably didn't have the time...

641 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:41:50pm

re: #630 CyanSnowHawkBelieve me, that kid tried everything before he punched out. Being as he is a 1st Lt. he's about 24, he stayed in that plane as long as possible

642 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:42:59pm

There won't be a lot of regular news out of Pakistan the next two days, it's Eid ul Azha and the papers even shut down.

643 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:43:02pm

Watching Brit Hume, never have so many pundits mangled a name. Mwahaha!

644 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:43:11pm

re: #634 johnnyreb

Nothing like a fresh killed rat on the back deck when we get up to let the dog out in the morning!@

Haw about waking up to a living room floor covered with feathers and leftovers?

But catz is catz...bless their little selfish hearts...

645 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:43:26pm

re: #630 CyanSnowHawk

All the witnesses say that he bailed out pretty low, so he must have been trying. They also say that the plane was quiet before he punched out. Without power, I can't imagine he had much choice about where it came down.

Without power, he'd have had zilch choice. Rocks glide better.

I knew a pilot who managed to get an A-7 over a major university campus and put in down in a street ... without hitting the elementary school beside the street. He had (some) power.

646 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:44:04pm

re: #642 Thanos

What's that? IED improvement holiday?

647 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:44:41pm

re: #636 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you suggesting I should change my diet? How about the one on the left's?

648 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:44:43pm

re: #645 pre-Boomer Marine brat
He also had some big brass ones!

649 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:44:46pm

re: #641 pingjockey

Believe me, that kid tried everything before he punched out. Being as he is a 1st Lt. he's about 24, he stayed in that plane as long as possible

Given how close he landed to the crash site, I really believe that.

650 n in wi  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:44:56pm

re: #638 Soona'

I don't understand the hatred many Republicans have for her; including some here on LGF.


If you take a look at hate ,real passionate hate, it contain a strong element of jealousy.
You can't hate what your not jealous of.

651 right_wing2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:45:29pm

re: #603 Nevergiveup

The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Kissing up to terrorists said on Tuesday she hoped Barack Obama's presidency would return the United States to "the international family" after eight years of scant cooperation.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Get a real job will ya! Oh and fuck you also!

Fixed

652 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:45:36pm

re: #645 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Without power, he'd have had zilch choice. Rocks glide better.

I knew a pilot who managed to get an A-7 over a major university campus and put in down in a street ... without hitting the elementary school beside the street. He had (some) power.

Given fire, looks like fuel was on board...

653 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:45:51pm

re: #647 goddessoftheclassroom

Are you suggesting I should change my diet? How about the one on the left's?

*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*

654 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:46:05pm

re: #646 pingjockey

Among some there, yes

655 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:46:06pm

re: #649 CyanSnowHawk
We had sub hunting helicopters on my ships and pilots will stay with their 'baby' until the last minute.

656 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:46:57pm

re: #645 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Without power, he'd have had zilch choice. Rocks glide better.

I knew a pilot who managed to get an A-7 over a major university campus and put in down in a street ... without hitting the elementary school beside the street. He had (some) power.

We crashed one in the desert, and it was amazing, the pilot managed to avoid coming down on a road with traffic, but a car was on about 150 feet the crash, must of scared the hell out of the occupants.

657 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:47:16pm

re: #642 Thanos

There won't be a lot of regular news out of Pakistan the next two days, it's Eid ul Azha and the papers even shut down.

Is that head slashing time?

658 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:47:34pm

re: #654 Thanos

Just a little levity. I take it, it's a Muslim holiday.

659 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:47:46pm

re: #648 pingjockey

He also had some big brass ones!

Yes. My ex and I knew him and his wife several years later. He told me about the experience. Wow!

660 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:48:05pm

re: #657 Silhouette

Is that head slashing time?

No, that's the shia holiday of Ashzhara you are thinking of.

661 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:48:44pm

re: #652 jcm

Given fire, looks like fuel was on board...

this is just a terrible event and wrenches my heart...will the pilot fly again if he wants to?...it's probably a miracle more people were not harmed...well obviously...

662 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:48:53pm

re: #647 goddessoftheclassroom

Are you suggesting I should change my diet? How about the one on the left's?

That's a healthy looking brace of cats.

663 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:48:59pm

re: #653 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*
*bite tongue*

I'm glad you have an least a modicum of wisdom...

664 akak  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:49:03pm
U.S. Oil Firm Sidesteps Sanctions on Iran - Farah Stockman
In the oil fields of Iran, a 2,000-pound drilling tool, called the azimuthal density neutron tool, probes deep under the earth for fresh supplies of crude, the lifeblood of one of the most formidable foes of the U.S. While helping to enrich Iran's economy, the drilling tool also presents a potential risk to American security, were it to fall into the wrong hands. It is powered by a radioactive chemical that scientists say could fuel a so-called "dirty bomb," capable of spreading radiation across many city blocks.
The tool is the type of sophisticated technology that the U.S. has sought for 13 years to prevent from reaching Iran, a country the U.S. government says is financing terrorism with its oil profits. But the device - developed by the oil-services firm Schlumberger in labs in Connecticut and Texas - was brought to Iran through a legal loophole that allows multinational corporations to use foreign subsidiaries to sidestep U.S. sanctions, according to a Boston Globe investigation. Scientists say that if the five curies of americium-241 used in Schlumberger's tool were to be lost or stolen, the material could be combined with TNT to create a crude nuclear device known as a "dirty bomb" that could contaminate an area of many city blocks. (Boston Globe)
665 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:49:11pm

re: #662 Soona'

That's a healthy looking brace of cats.

I thought it was an Ignore of cats.

666 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:50:00pm

re: #656 loflyer

We crashed one in the desert, and it was amazing, the pilot managed to avoid coming down on a road with traffic, but a car was on about 150 feet the crash, must of scared the hell out of the occupants.

Back in the late 70s an F-14 came down short of the Miramar runway and slid onto the Northbound lanes of the I-15 (What is now Kearny Villa Rd.) and stopped when it hit the center divide K-rail. Just missed some cars and others had to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting the wreckage.

667 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:50:01pm

re: #663 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm glad you have an least a modicum of wisdom...

the tabby is ready to be harvested...

668 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:50:09pm

re: #630 CyanSnowHawk

All the witnesses say that he bailed out pretty low, so he must have been trying. They also say that the plane was quiet before he punched out. Without power, I can't imagine he had much choice about where it came down.

I had listened to an interview with a pilot on the ground that saw and heard the engine go. From that point on, he said there was absolutely nothing the pilot could have done. Not being in any way familiar with flying, it still sounded right. ;-)>

669 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:50:13pm

re: #663 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm glad you have an least a modicum of wisdom...

*shudder*
*RETCH*
ROFLMAO!

MWAH!

670 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:50:42pm

re: #660 Thanos

No, that's the shia holiday of Ashzhara you are thinking of.

Blegh, my kid's playing WoW and I was mapping for him... "Ashura" not Ashzhara.

671 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:50:46pm

re: #659 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Did you ever read "The Right Stuff"? There's a part in there where a test pilots machine is fubar and he's up 60-70 thousand feet. Goes through the checklist of WTF now, talks to people on the ground. This takes like 5-10 minutes, still trying to save the plane, he augers in.

672 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:50:49pm

re: #665 Silhouette

Cats (General)

Clowder, Clutter, Pounce, Dout, Nuisance, Glorying, Glare

Cats (Kittens)

Kindle, Litter, Intrigue

Cats (Wild)

Destruction

[Link: www.thealmightyguru.com...]

673 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:50:54pm

re: #661 albusteve

this is just a terrible event and wrenches my heart...will the pilot fly again if he wants to?...it's probably a miracle more people were not harmed...well obviously...

If the pilot is not at fault they will fly him again ASAP if he is physically and mentally fit to do it. Sort of like getting back on a horse that has thrown you...

674 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:51:14pm

re: #638 Soona'

I don't understand the hatred many Republicans have for her; including some here on LGF.

elitism and snobbery.

675 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:51:15pm

re: #669 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*shudder*
*RETCH*
ROFLMAO!

MWAH!

DRAT! I have the BEST come back for you, bit you didn't zing me!

MWAH!

676 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:51:19pm

re: #667 albusteve

the tabby is ready to be harvested...

Dinner for three, at least.

677 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:52:06pm

re: #672 Fat Jolly Penguin

[Link: www.thealmightyguru.com...]

An Army of caterpillars! Someone was having fun when they named that one.

678 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:52:14pm

re: #676 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Dinner for three, at least.

Well, now!

679 Elcid  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:52:14pm

Obama never heard a word, Jeremiah said...Joy to the World.

Obama never knew corruption existed in Chicago, or Illinois. This next few years are going to be real sweet.

Illinois..The Land of Lincoln...The Fives that is...neatly bundled, please.

680 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:52:33pm

re: #665 Silhouette

I thought it was an Ignore of cats.

Or a good looking munch of cats.

681 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:52:46pm
682 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:52:49pm

re: #655 pingjockey

We had sub hunting helicopters on my ships and pilots will stay with their 'baby' until the last minute.

I was a Huey Crew Chief in the Army. Don't know how the sub hunters are equipped, but our pilots didn't have chutes or anything, so a bird coming down was not something that you bailed out of. But Helos can autorotate to a soft landing if needed.

683 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:54:03pm

re: #672 Fat Jolly Penguin

[Link: www.thealmightyguru.com...]

A wisdom of wombats! The wombats from my dreams!

684 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:54:17pm

re: #668 Outrider

I had listened to an interview with a pilot on the ground that saw and heard the engine go. From that point on, he said there was absolutely nothing the pilot could have done. Not being in any way familiar with flying, it still sounded right. ;-)>

That must have been the Navy retiree that witnessed it. I heard that a retired Navy aviator was one of the first on scene.

685 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:54:18pm

re: #675 goddessoftheclassroom

DRAT! I have the BEST come back for you, bit you didn't zing me!

MWAH!

Me?
Zing YOU?!
Heavens NO!
MWAH!

686 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:54:34pm

re: #676 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Dinner for three, at least.

kat foo yung...

687 loflyer  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:55:18pm

B B L mates, I have a new video game to play with...

688 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:55:20pm
689 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:56:07pm

re: #678 goddessoftheclassroom

Well, now!

Wrong? That's merely a matter of opinion.

*DUCK*

690 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:56:29pm

re: #676 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Dinner for three, at least.

Yes definitely.

691 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:56:35pm

re: #682 CyanSnowHawk
No chutes. If you are lucky enough to have power and have to ditch at sea...The aircrew jumps out at 10 feet
The pilot cinches up his straps real tight
Go into hover real low, cut power, crash into water
Let helo fill completely with water, unstrap and swim out, while the
bird is sinking into 15,000 feet of water

692 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:56:35pm

Homemade potatoe sausage soup with bacon crumbles, grated cheddar, and torilla crumbles tonight. It's mmm good.

693 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:57:38pm

re: #692 Thanos
That sounds awesome.

694 pingjockey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:58:02pm

BBL, need to split some kindling.

695 gregg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:58:02pm

Can I ask a stupid question? I have to have one of those periodic health screenings that requires a local anesthesia. The clinic tells me I can't take a cab home, I have to have someone I know pick me up. It's really a pain to ask a friend to take off work so they can drive me the three miles from the clinic to my home. I was wondering, can the clinic prevent me from taking a cab home? Quite frankly, if something happened on the ride home, I would trust the cab driver more than my friend.

I guess this where I get scolded for ignoring the doctor's advice.

696 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:58:03pm

re: #682 CyanSnowHawk

I was a Huey Crew Chief in the Army. Don't know how the sub hunters are equipped, but our pilots didn't have chutes or anything, so a bird coming down was not something that you bailed out of. But Helos can autorotate to a soft landing if needed.

uh huh. If you consider a chopper breaking in two a soft landing. ;-)>

697 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:58:19pm

re: #688 buzzsawmonkey

The Australians have a poem, "Casey at the Wombat."

You'll roo having said that.

698 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:58:20pm

re: #662 Soona'

That's a healthy looking brace of cats.

There's a cat in in the kettle at the Peking Moon...

Youtube Video
699 jcm  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:58:29pm

re: #666 CyanSnowHawk

Back in the late 70s an F-14 came down short of the Miramar runway and slid onto the Northbound lanes of the I-15 (What is now Kearny Villa Rd.) and stopped when it hit the center divide K-rail. Just missed some cars and others had to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting the wreckage.

Back when I was in high school I was visiting a friend, and a F-104 had crashed off the end of the runway into an apartment complex at McChord AFB. Plane hit a pond between building in the complex, no one hurt. My friend says to me, my dad works on those, he should be home soon, we can ask him.

We worked several hours on a school project and his dad, was late, very late... His dad came home just about the time I was leaving, looking white as sheet, downed a couple of shots and sat down.

He was the crew chief who had just signed off a complete rebuild of the crashed plane. And it had been taken up on a post rebuild check flight.

Once it was all wrap up the fuel pump that was installed, and certified hand been incorrectly assembled so that a full after burner it sprung a leak and sprayed fuel into fuselage... BOOM!

My friends dad was in the clear!

700 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:59:05pm

re: #684 CyanSnowHawk

That must have been the Navy retiree that witnessed it. I heard that a retired Navy aviator was one of the first on scene.

probably. I was ass deep in mini-vans and SUVs when I heard it on the radio, so I missed some of it.

701 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:59:44pm

re: #689 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Wrong? That's merely a matter of opinion.

*DUCK*

Well, of COURSE a dog does EVERYTHING wrong!Kittehs find a way to avoid the vet...

702 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 3:59:54pm

re: #690 BlueCanuck

Yes definitely.

bwahahaha...nice catch!...ooofff...ah shit

703 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:00:05pm

kitty :)

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

704 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:00:30pm

re: #691 pingjockey

No chutes. If you are lucky enough to have power and have to ditch at sea...The aircrew jumps out at 10 feet
The pilot cinches up his straps real tight
Go into hover real low, cut power, crash into water
Let helo fill completely with water, unstrap and swim out, while the
bird is sinking into 15,000 feet of water

As I understand it, that is part of the reasoning behind all Navy helos having at least 2 engines, and being capable of flight with only one.

705 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:00:53pm

re: #673 loflyer

If the pilot is not at fault they will fly him again ASAP if he is physically and mentally fit to do it. Sort of like getting back on a horse that has thrown you...

After an eject he will be grounded for a specified time by the flight surgeon. There can be damage to him that might not show for a few weeks. We had one F/A 18 pilot that had to eject twice, they medically retired him even though he still wanted to fly but they told him no way. There are tremendous g forces on the eject.

706 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:01:33pm

re: #695 gregg

Can I ask a stupid question? I have to have one of those periodic health screenings that requires a local anesthesia. The clinic tells me I can't take a cab home, I have to have someone I know pick me up. It's really a pain to ask a friend to take off work so they can drive me the three miles from the clinic to my home. I was wondering, can the clinic prevent me from taking a cab home? Quite frankly, if something happened on the ride home, I would trust the cab driver more than my friend.

I guess this where I get scolded for ignoring the doctor's advice.

The same thing has happened to me. It is a real pain in the ass. They're afraid of US tort laws. I guess I don't blame them.

707 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:01:34pm

re: #690 BlueCanuck

Yes definitely.

ROFLMAO!
A forkin' hairball!
Whee!

GODDESSS!
Y' gotta see this wonderful video!

708 rusty_armor  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:01:49pm

re: #695 gregg

I was wondering, can the clinic prevent me from taking a cab home?

Most clinics want to see the person who is driving you home. You might pull it off by saying that they are at the concession stand getting an expresso . . .

709 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:02:04pm

re: #692 Thanos

Homemade potatoe sausage soup with bacon crumbles, grated cheddar, and torilla crumbles tonight. It's mmm good.

Beef-a-roni...cheeze whiz on a bagle...fresh oreos for desert

710 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:02:57pm

re: #695 gregg

Can you tell them you know the cab driver?

/

Seriously, it seems like they can strongly recommend, but they cannot hold you hostage against your will if you want to leave in a cab.

711 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:03:15pm

re: #638 Soona'

I don't understand the hatred many Republicans have for her; including some here on LGF.

She is everything they wish they could be and it pisses em off.

712 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:03:24pm

re: #698 Van Helsing

There's a cat in in the kettle at the Peking Moon...[Link: www.youtube.com...]

GMTA. :)

713 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:03:32pm

re: #696 Outrider

uh huh. If you consider a chopper breaking in two a soft landing. ;-)>

That's a softer landing than the Jeep I saw that was punched off a sling load at 2500' when the pilot got a warning light on the panel. It's a rule for sling loads, when you get a warning light, step one is to punch off the load.

714 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:04:23pm

re: #707 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFLMAO!
A forkin' hairball!
Whee!

GODDESSS!
Y' gotta see this wonderful video!

Oh, that's hilarious!

715 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:05:38pm

re: #710 Silhouette

Seriously, it seems like they can strongly recommend, but they cannot hold you hostage against your will if you want to leave in a cab.

I know when I have been in this situation, they want to see the escort BEFORE the procedure. If you cannot produce the person who is going to be your ride, then they can refuse to go ahead with with ever treatment you are going to have.

And yes, they certainly have the right to make these sort of demands on the patient.

716 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:05:39pm
717 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:05:44pm

Eid al-Adha
As most of you already know, I am no biblical scholar, so someone better versed can verify this (or not).
This is the holiday where Muslims ignore the biblical fact that God tested Abraham by ordering him to sacrifice Isaac, and instead the Muslims pretend that it was Ishmael. In the Jewish Bible (apparently uncontradicted by the Quran) an angel stayed Abraham's hand at the last second as he was about to kill Isaac.
Another example of the distorted nature of the ROP.

718 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:05:48pm

re: #701 goddessoftheclassroom

Well, of COURSE a dog does EVERYTHING wrong!Kittehs find a way to avoid the vet...

LOL!

Since I'm gonna have to run in a few, I'll change the subject to break you out of your fixation.

719 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:06:22pm

re: #712 BlueCanuck

Heh.

There's a few a places like that near me. I just don't want to know. At least for sure.

Of course in Phoenix we have the very tasty possibly questionable *berto's drive-thru Mexican food.

I apply the same rule...

720 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:07:08pm

re: #718 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

Since I'm gonna have to run in a few, I'll change the subject to break you out of your fixation.

I've got to go, too, but I'll leave you with this...

721 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:07:18pm

re: #703 Jewels (AKA Julian)

kitty :)

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

AWWW!
(-:

722 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:07:49pm

re: #698 Van Helsing

There's a cat in in the kettle at the Peking Moon...[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That's a saver.

723 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:08:14pm

re: #715 Walter L. Newton

'S truth. Some people coming out of anesthesia can have difficulties and they want to be sure that you are with someone that might care.

724 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:08:28pm

re: #718 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

Since I'm gonna have to run in a few, I'll change the subject to break you out of your fixation.

Just what we need, a little bear flesh.

725 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:08:53pm

re: #719 Van Helsing

Of course in Phoenix we have the very tasty possibly questionable *berto's drive-thru Mexican food.

I apply the same rule...


Ahhh Phoenix, I hardly miss thee. You mean there are still *berto's around after the crack downs on illegals? Or was that just Humberto's?

726 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:09:29pm

re: #720 goddessoftheclassroom

I've got to go, too, but I'll leave you with this...

OH my LORD!
Ouch!

You have a great evening!
MWAH!

727 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:09:34pm

re: #715 Walter L. Newton

I know when I have been in this situation, they want to see the escort BEFORE the procedure. If you cannot produce the person who is going to be your ride, then they can refuse to go ahead with with ever treatment you are going to have.

And yes, they certainly have the right to make these sort of demands on the patient.

Before the procedure, yes, they are within their rights to withhold the treatment.

But I cannot see how they would be within their rights to hold you there physically. Assuming they went ahead and did the procedure, or didn't ask to see the friend until time for release.

I wonder how a signed agreement by you would play into it.

728 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:09:59pm

Merry Axelrod

729 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:10:09pm

re: #723 Van Helsing

'S truth. Some people coming out of anesthesia can have difficulties and they want to be sure that you are with someone that might care.

and if you have a spinal block they don't want you pissing on a cab seat either...

730 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:10:24pm

re: #695 gregg

Another reason for the "no cab" rule is they don't want the cab driver taking advantage of the patient, whether it's something like robbing the patient or sexually abusing the patient.

731 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:10:27pm

re: #713 CyanSnowHawk

That's a softer landing than the Jeep I saw that was punched off a sling load at 2500' when the pilot got a warning light on the panel. It's a rule for sling loads, when you get a warning light, step one is to punch off the load.

for sure. I've seen a light armored vehicle (foreign-NATO) burn in on a bad air drop. I never knew that much tonnage could go that high on a bounce or bounce that many times. It kind of reminded me of skipping a stone across a pond.

732 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:10:36pm

re: #695 gregg

Can I ask a stupid question? I have to have one of those periodic health screenings that requires a local anesthesia. The clinic tells me I can't take a cab home, I have to have someone I know pick me up. It's really a pain to ask a friend to take off work so they can drive me the three miles from the clinic to my home. I was wondering, can the clinic prevent me from taking a cab home? Quite frankly, if something happened on the ride home, I would trust the cab driver more than my friend.

I guess this where I get scolded for ignoring the doctor's advice.

I have never heard of that in my life...That is bullshit...
Look...I don't know where you live but when I am traveling around the country.. I get a good cabbies cell number.
I'm am just shocked the clinic said that to you..Stand up! check out the law..Look for a new clinic..Something for god sake but fight back..send me the friggin link.. I'll check it out...

733 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:10:50pm
734 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:11:15pm
735 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:11:15pm

re: #724 CyanSnowHawk

Just what we need, a little bear flesh.

If I'd seen that ages ago, I don't think I'd have let my first-born female child have a teddy bear!

/capital-D Daddy speaking

736 Forever  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:11:58pm

Critical Muslim Film released by ex-Muslim Ehsan Jami.

Another Dutch politician (after Wilders) that might touch the nerves of Muslims worldwide.

737 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:13:03pm

re: #695 gregg

If they give you any shit just say your best friend is a cab driver.

738 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:13:46pm

re: #727 Silhouette

Before the procedure, yes, they are within their rights to withhold the treatment.

But I cannot see how they would be within their rights to hold you there physically. Assuming they went ahead and did the procedure, or didn't ask to see the friend until time for release.

I wonder how a signed agreement by you would play into it.

My point being, in all health care facilities where I have worked (health care programming was one of my two specialty areas when I was working full time), they would ask you BEFORE THE PROCEDURE to produce the escort. They also write down information about the person so they can keep track of that person at the hospital (cell phone #, name, etc) and I know where I have worked, that person is also required to sign some paperwork.

739 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:14:56pm

re: #706 Soona'

The same thing has happened to me. It is a real pain in the ass. They're afraid of US tort laws. I guess I don't blame them.

I hear ya..But you just have to do what you are going to do...
Boy..do i have stories...

740 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:15:37pm

re: #737 Killgore Trout

If they give you any shit just say your best friend is a cab driver.

Good call trout..good call

741 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:15:44pm

re: #737 Killgore Trout

If they give you any shit just say your best friend is a cab driver.

Killgore, that won't work with most facilities, unless the place just don't give two hoots about patient care and it's liabilities.

742 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:16:07pm

re: #723 Van Helsing

'S truth. Some people coming out of anesthesia can have difficulties and they want to be sure that you are with someone that might care.

That's why I never asked my wife to come get me.
/

743 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:16:08pm

re: #738 Walter L. Newton

My point being, in all health care facilities where I have worked (health care programming was one of my two specialty areas when I was working full time), they would ask you BEFORE THE PROCEDURE to produce the escort. They also write down information about the person so they can keep track of that person at the hospital (cell phone #, name, etc) and I know where I have worked, that person is also required to sign some paperwork.

a few weeks ago I had a femoral angiogram...they said have someone to take me away and not another word was said...policy must widely vary

744 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:16:19pm
745 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:17:40pm
746 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:17:42pm

Ok, dogs fed, watered and walked.

What is going on?

747 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:17:52pm

re: #725 bosforus

Humberto's went away. At least I haven't seen one lately. We still have Fili, Eri, and Rol berto's.

748 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:18:04pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

Well, you're about to get a lot of attention. I can tell you that.

749 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:18:39pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

I thought these idiots usually waited until a new thread had been started before doing this?

750 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:18:46pm
751 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:18:53pm

re: #743 albusteve

a few weeks ago I had a femoral angiogram...they said have someone to take me away and not another word was said...policy must widely vary

It's not that policy varies widely, actual caring about rules and regs vary.

752 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:19:14pm
753 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:19:27pm

re: #683 bosforus

A wisdom of wombats! The wombats from my dreams!

Thought you might like that. "Gaze of raccoons" made me laugh a bit.

754 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:19:42pm

kharma at -3 and falling

755 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:19:43pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

Nice to see some roachs scurrying from the light. Ever notice how some of these people are long time account holders but rarely ever contribute to topics? When they do though it sets off the troll alarm.

756 gregg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:19:53pm

re: #727 Silhouette

Before the procedure, yes, they are within their rights to withhold the treatment.

But I cannot see how they would be within their rights to hold you there physically. Assuming they went ahead and did the procedure, or didn't ask to see the friend until time for release.

I wonder how a signed agreement by you would play into it.

I've had this screening before and my friend showed after the test was complete. I'd hate to think I would have to ask a friend to not only take off work, but sit for a couple of hours at the clinic. I had the feeling I could have walked out of the clinic and know one would have known. This time I'm going to a different clinic, so I'm not sure if that would be possible.

I've never had adverse reactions to anesthesia, that's why I'm not the that concerned. In fact, I was put under completely to have wisdom teeth pulled and felt just fine afterwards. Someone once told me that's because I like to have a drink or two, or three.

Most of the cab drivers in the area where I live are Somalian, so I'm not worried about being abused. But they might not let me in the cab if I have any liquor.

757 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:20:06pm

re: #752 albusteve

whoops...anyway I hate it when a stranger insults me like that

758 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:20:10pm

re: #747 Van Helsing

Humberto's went away. At least I haven't seen one lately. We still have Fili, Eri, and Rol berto's.

Well as long as Southwest Supermarkets is still around I'll never need to worry about buying 10 gallon buckets of lard when I visit.

759 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:20:17pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

Wow, charlie, you've been a member for 6 months, have 9 posts. Now you are formally resigning? RESIGN? From what? Your JOB at LGF? Wait! I know you! You're THIS GUY!

760 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:20:19pm

Did I tell you we have freezing rain, sleet, & snow in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland?

761 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:20:45pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

I respectfully request you cancel my membership, Lizardoids are now on a plane with Dittoheads and I find neither particularly ego boosting.HKC

Hey STUPID. You cancel you membership the same way you DON'T watch porn, stop visiting this site.

Asshole.

762 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:21:00pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

Well. This is out of the blue. Don't let the doorknob hit you...

763 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:21:07pm

re: #751 Walter L. Newton

It's not that policy varies widely, actual caring about rules and regs vary.

I knew better than to waltz away but nobody made any fuss...not so good me thinks

764 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:21:46pm
765 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:21:47pm

re: #738 Walter L. Newton

When I had cataract surgery, the Dr.'s office called a cab for me. SOP there.

Different places. Different ideas.

766 valkyrie  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:21:58pm

re: #760 ggt

Did I tell you we have freezing rain, sleet, & snow in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland?

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas...

/been singing this all day

767 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:22:01pm

re: #736 Forever

Critical Muslim Film released by ex-Muslim Ehsan Jami.

Another Dutch politician (after Wilders) that might touch the nerves of Muslims worldwide.

Two dead men walking!

768 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:22:14pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlieFeel better now?

769 Empire1  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:22:27pm

re: #695 gregg

Can I ask a stupid question? I have to have one of those periodic health screenings that requires a local anesthesia. The clinic tells me I can't take a cab home, I have to have someone I know pick me up. It's really a pain to ask a friend to take off work so they can drive me the three miles from the clinic to my home. I was wondering, can the clinic prevent me from taking a cab home? Quite frankly, if something happened on the ride home, I would trust the cab driver more than my friend.

I guess this where I get scolded for ignoring the doctor's advice.

Urgh. Just been through six days on a case like this. In this state, the doctor (or clinic) can't compel you to do anything, just tell you what you should do. On the other hand, they can refuse to do the test if you don't agree to abide by their standard of care (and refusing to do it wouldn't directly endanger your life, I would suppose).

770 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:22:51pm

I'm a "member"? I thought I was a "registered user".

Do members get an ID card and a fancy decoder ring? If so, I need to talk to the membership secretary 'cause mine didn't come.

771 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:23:03pm

re: #766 valkyrie

me too!

772 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:23:11pm
773 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:23:12pm

re: #765 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When I had cataract surgery, the Dr.'s office called a cab for me. SOP there. Different places. Different ideas.

But there's a difference in your case. They told you it was your freind, but hell, you couldn't see shit, so what did it matter. Did you like the limo they got for ya?

/

774 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:23:12pm
775 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:24:01pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

Troll alert!

776 Bloodnok  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:24:18pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

I'm not big on condescending language when addressing others. It's my considered opinion, you have joined those less educated and simply sunk to name calling

Hypocrite.

777 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:24:31pm

#744: No problem, you're blocked. And you don't get to post your nasty dramatic goodbye rant either.

778 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:24:33pm

re: #761 Walter L. Newton

Hey STUPID. You cancel you membership the same way you DON'T watch porn, stop visiting this site.

Asshole.

Tell us how you really feel.

779 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:24:48pm
780 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:25:05pm

re: #772 Forever

It's the way he disagrees and the fact that he doesn't have a track record of contributing in any meaningful way to discussions now or in the past.

Troll is the correct description.

781 Russkilitlover  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:25:07pm

re: #52 gregg

Note to Californians: Bundle up.

Rare 50 year Arctic Blast Sets Sights On Southern California

It's an old wife's tale that large rose hips mean a cold winter. Mr. Russkilitlover has over 200 roses in our yard and all have HUGE rose hips. Looks like next week will portend our winter! Viva La Wife's-tales!

782 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:25:10pm

re: #775 johnnyreb

Troll alert!

not a troll...just disgruntled...thats okay...it's always the self centeredness that amuses me...

783 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:25:22pm

re: #777 Charles

#744: No problem, you're blocked. And you don't get to post your nasty dramatic goodbye rant either.

But it would've been slightly entertaining.

784 valkyrie  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:25:27pm

re: #771 ggt

me too!

And doesn't it make you feel good! I want Fitz to wear a Santa hat at the next press conference and have all the folks standing behind him whistling that tune.

785 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:25:46pm

re: #760 ggt

Did I tell you we have freezing rain, sleet, & snow in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland?

Isn't it pretty much standard there this time of the year?

786 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:26:10pm

re: #772 Forever

And for defending that abusive garbage, you can go elsewhere too.

787 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:26:30pm

re: #781 Russkilitlover

Why do roses have hips? They don't seem to have a need to bend over?

788 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:26:51pm

re: #772 Forever

So, basically because he disagrees, he is a troll. I find this troll calling pretty much lame and a cheap excuse to harm a healthy discussion. Unfortunately, as with many other political blogs/sites, healthy discussion with 2 opposing opinions is not possible, because a majority will indeed start name calling and act childish.


9 posts in 6 months and out of the blue this comes out on an open thread? That spells Troll to me. He had his chance on the thread to express his/her/it's displeasure and did not. To wait a day or two and then come out like this spells Troll.

789 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:26:51pm

re: #742 Soona'

If you are given concious sedation you will probably be givgen a drug like versed which causes amnesia. This amnesia takes a bit to wear off and it is dangerous to yourself to be off in a cab in this state. After my husbands colonoscopy he didn't even remember driving home and asked me 57 times "what happened" and never remembered asking me before. You really need someone around if you are given versed.
what to expect.

790 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:26:54pm

re: #772 Forever

So, basically because he disagrees, he is a troll. I find this troll calling pretty much lame and a cheap excuse to harm a healthy discussion. Unfortunately, as with many other political blogs/sites, healthy discussion with 2 opposing opinions is not possible, because a majority will indeed start name calling and act childish.

He's not a troll for disagreeing, he's a troll for dropping a post and then not responding. That's what a troll is. To bad you don't like the term, but that's the term as it's developed on the internet. It's not something LGF came up with.

And if he (or you) can't stand the heat of a good fight (including name calling if it comes to that) then too bad.

Who in the hell ever told you that you would be going through life without someone calling you names, or without meeting people who are "childish" in your opinion?

Go away wussie! (there is did it, now whine to your mom).

791 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:00pm

re: #772 Forever

Well lets see here. It's on a topic that's been declared dead and off limits. It's also on a subject that appears now to be a non starter as well. It's been laughed at by the Supreme Court. Other government agencies have stated that they have the original document.

So a poster shows up saying that we are close minded, that Charles is close minded, for not discussing the "possibility" that a whole lot of people are lying smacks to me of conspiracy theorism and trooferism. Too me those are troll topics. So are you one as well?

/quit pissing in the pool

793 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:04pm

re: #783 father_of_10

Yeah, that would have been a nice ending to the day.

794 Russkilitlover  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:12pm

re: #764 ploome hineni

I have yet to hear/read how you fared at the Drs. How are you?

795 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:13pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

So long, it's been good to know you.
So long, it's been good to know you.
So long, it's been good to know you.
Butt ...

796 Spider Mensch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:17pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

(In Joe Pesci, Goodfellas voice) I'm her to boost YOUR ego pal? Like what am I? your personal assistant? Huh? I look like yer mother? Clowns can boost your ego pal..do I look like a clown to you?

797 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:24pm

re: #777 Charles

Thank you for keeping this site what it is Charles.

I bet it's boring in the doing of it though.

798 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:39pm
799 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:41pm

re: #785 Soona'

Actually, no, we don't normally get the really nasty stuff until mid-January to Februrary.

800 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:44pm

re: #770 ggt

I'm a "member"? I thought I was a "registered user".

Do members get an ID card and a fancy decoder ring? If so, I need to talk to the membership secretary 'cause mine didn't come.

But you did get the code for the door of the beach condo in Barbados, right?

Just check the calendar at the secret website and reserve any week you want.

801 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:46pm

re: #770 ggt

I'm a "member"? I thought I was a "registered user".

Do members get an ID card and a fancy decoder ring? If so, I need to talk to the membership secretary 'cause mine didn't come.

You didn't your Costco LGF discount card either, did you? You're now learning the hard way that some of us are more equal than others.

802 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:27:53pm

All these dramatic exits and we haven't even had a science thread today.

803 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:28:20pm

Dang, I post a response and it's gone. Should think faster I think.

804 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:28:26pm

re: #786 Charles

And for defending that abusive garbage, you can go elsewhere too.

Oops, I was responding to Forever while you were having you little meeting. I quoted him, sorry. Delete if you desire.

805 Russkilitlover  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:28:56pm

re: #787 ggt

Why do roses have hips? They don't seem to have a need to bend over?

They are shapely and oh so seductive, dontcha know.

806 Joan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:28:58pm

re: #638 Soona'

I don't understand the hatred many Republicans have for her; including some here on LGF.

I admire her. She was, of course, ridiculed and belittled, outright insulted, by the entire Democrat-anointed media enterprise. No insult is ever too heinous to level at a conservative, no accusation too outlandish, no lie too terrible. It is unjust, but from my point of view, she managed to bear it with the coolness, sometimes with humor and defiance. Very well handled, on the whole.

Having said that, I am not a Sarah Palin groupie. She needs to stop campaigning (overtly) for the nod in 2012, and begin to strengthen some of her deficits. For one thing, she is in danger of peaking too soon. She needs to make good use of her remaining time as Governor of Alaska, by serving as a fantastic governor. She has great presence, integrity, strong values, courage, conservative principles.

She also has a very shallow grasp of important issues, those that do not directly pertain to her sphere of action and influence. She needs some sophistication and depth of knowledge. I don't mean cramming, to look good in an interview. Rather, her own study and direct investigation, not a test prep sort of approach.

"Some are born to greatness, others have greatness thrust upon them."
She has so much potential for greatness, and we need leaders. She needs to be part of rebuilding the party, so that social conservatives have a seat at the table. However, social conservatives need to gain in sophistication, develop a better strategy to forge coalitions.

807 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:29:27pm

re: #802 Killgore Trout

All these dramatic exits and we haven't even had a science thread today.

The Nirthers are in melt down mode.

808 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:29:36pm

re: #802 Killgore Trout

All these dramatic exits and we haven't even had a science thread today.

The nirth certifikit causes almost as much heartburn, I've noticed.

809 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:29:36pm

Ah, the saddest thing about him going is I don't get to watch the kharma go down.

/I'll get over it.

810 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:29:38pm

re: #750 buzzsawmonkey

What a silly lack of understanding of constitutional law.

*clearing throat* ... Milk of magnesia has constitutional applications.

Are I an expurt now?

811 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:29:53pm

re: #792 Killgore Trout

Joe the Plumber: McCain was just the lesser of two evils
Ouch.

Is this a surprise? McCain wasn't my first choice so (for me) it boiled down to the lesser of two evils.

Of course the dems putting up the post turtle really made for no choice at all.

812 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:30:06pm

re: #761 Walter L. Newton

Hey STUPID. You cancel you membership the same way you DON'T watch porn, stop visiting this site.

Asshole.

Hi Walter..We may need rules..
Checklist..
!. meltdown on a subject.. pick one...( I always thought insulting the beautiful girl lizards here was a classic..But often times something about science flips people out) Pck one and go with it...
2. Insult the board...Or better yet..declare the board has insulted you..Being a victim is so now.
3. Send a message that you are walking to the edge..Those final posts before they get deleted are priceless..I'm thinking a hundred stupid posts for Dummies has potential.
4. Send email to Charles.. The more insulting the better
5. Wave good bye
6. Jump
7. Read the reviews
8. Disappear into the ether..
/ I'm looking for 2 more rules to make the top ten meltdown lists lizards...work with me.. :)

813 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:30:32pm

re: #796 Spider Mensch

(In Joe Pesci, Goodfellas voice) I'm her to boost YOUR ego pal? Like what am I? your personal assistant? Huh? I look like yer mother? Clowns can boost your ego pal..do I look like a clown to you?

GREAT! Now stab him in the neck with a pen!

814 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:30:42pm

re: #789 monkeytime

If you are given concious sedation you will probably be givgen a drug like versed which causes amnesia. This amnesia takes a bit to wear off and it is dangerous to yourself to be off in a cab in this state. After my husbands colonoscopy he didn't even remember driving home and asked me 57 times "what happened" and never remembered asking me before. You really need someone around if you are given versed.
what to expect.


My wife refuses to believe after hers that she made me stop at McDonalds and buy her a double cheeseburger and a large vanilla shake even when the evidence was in the trash. So I would never let someone I didnt not know very well take me home after that.

815 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:30:43pm

re: #802 Killgore Trout

All these dramatic exits and we haven't even had a science thread today.

And you're not even close to an exit yet today. Slow one, isn't it?
/

816 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:30:58pm

re: #803 BlueCanuck

Dang, I post a response and it's gone. Should think faster I think.

Charles was lightning fast with that one fer sure

817 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:31:01pm

re: #809 Silhouette

Ah, the saddest thing about him going is I don't get to watch the kharma go down.

/I'll get over it.

This should help.

/schadenfreude

818 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:31:04pm

re: #792 Killgore Trout

Joe the Plumber: McCain was just the lesser of two evils
Ouch.

I'm trying, but I can't think of an election where it wasn't the lesser of two evils.

Okay, the ones where it was the lesser of three evils.

819 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:31:07pm

re: #804 Walter L. Newton

That's why whenever I am responding to a troll I use reply instead of the quote. Just in case.

820 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:31:16pm

re: #764 ploome hineni

the medical facility may be under some legal obligation to ither keep you for a certain amount of time after anaesthesia

or make sure you have someone with you when you leave

the facility may lose their license if anything happened to someone who eft after anaesthesia, and was not in some way, being cared for

A limo works for everything ploome..
/hope you are starting to feel better

821 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:31:30pm

re: #812 HoosierHoops

Hi Walter..We may need rules..
Checklist..
!. meltdown on a subject.. pick one...( I always thought insulting the beautiful girl lizards here was a classic..But often times something about science flips people out) Pck one and go with it...
2. Insult the board...Or better yet..declare the board has insulted you..Being a victim is so now.
3. Send a message that you are walking to the edge..Those final posts before they get deleted are priceless..I'm thinking a hundred stupid posts for Dummies has potential.
4. Send email to Charles.. The more insulting the better
5. Wave good bye
6. Jump
7. Read the reviews
8. Disappear into the ether..
/ I'm looking for 2 more rules to make the top ten meltdown lists lizards...work with me.. :)

Add

9) Shit in pants
10) Shit in pants

822 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:31:50pm

re: #800 Silhouette

Oh sh!t, I completely forgot about Barbados. Now, if I can just find where I wrote that stuff down --is it book thru the summer?

re: #801 father_of_10

Eh, I don't shop at Costco. Too far to drive and there is only 1 kid in my house. Well, there is my husband, and the dogs

/I'd never call my Cat Overlord a kid.

823 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:32:01pm

re: #819 BlueCanuck

Like that?
/

824 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:32:16pm

re: #811 Van Helsing

Is this a surprise?


Not really. I agree with him (more or less) but it's still painful to see McCain's posterboy roll over on him.

825 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:33:07pm
826 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:33:23pm

re: #815 Walter L. Newton

I just got here, I'll piss off someone soon.

827 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:33:25pm

re: #777 Charles

#744: No problem, you're blocked. And you don't get to post your nasty dramatic goodbye rant either.

You're no fun, Charles.
We were just getting going.
(-:
/kidding

828 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:33:40pm

re: #812 HoosierHoops

Hi Walter..We may need rules..
Checklist..
!. meltdown on a subject.. pick one...( I always thought insulting the beautiful girl lizards here was a classic..But often times something about science flips people out) Pck one and go with it...
2. Insult the board...Or better yet..declare the board has insulted you..Being a victim is so now.
3. Send a message that you are walking to the edge..Those final posts before they get deleted are priceless..I'm thinking a hundred stupid posts for Dummies has potential.
4. Send email to Charles.. The more insulting the better
5. Wave good bye
6. Jump
7. Read the reviews
8. Disappear into the ether..
/ I'm looking for 2 more rules to make the top ten meltdown lists lizards...work with me.. :)

Don't forget the "Start new blog blaming Charles and LGF for your misery."

829 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:34:00pm

re: #799 ggt

Actually, no, we don't normally get the really nasty stuff until mid-January to Februrary.

Then it's that nasty gobal warming. 'Nuff said. :D

830 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:34:11pm

re: #826 Killgore Trout

I just got here, I'll piss off someone soon.

you give yourself too much credit...
/

831 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:34:32pm

I guess the Rev Professor Michael Reiss has been dismissed from his job at the Royal Society.

Sources:

[Link: www.philosophynow.org...]
[Link: news.scotsman.com...]

832 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:34:33pm

re: #823 Walter L. Newton

Ummm, ooops. No. Nothing in your post needed to be highlighted.

/I think I will just go stand in the corner till I get my head back on straight.
//still in wake up process.

833 AMER1CAN  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:35:21pm

I can liven this up...but I promised to behave.

834 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:35:39pm

re: #792 Killgore Trout

Joe the Plumber: McCain was just the lesser of two evils
Ouch.

I'm sure most of us here would agree with that statement. I know I agree with it, and said it numerous times.

835 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:36:02pm

re: #826 Killgore Trout

I just got here, I'll piss off someone soon.

YOU @%#$@&%@$ !

836 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:36:58pm

I'm outa here. Gonna go home and play with the kids then watch the Speed Channel with the wife. Hot cars and a hot woman!

Seems like a mid-life crisis that I can handle well!

837 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:37:23pm

re: #772 Forever
re: #786 Charles

Looks like Forever met his ever.

838 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:37:29pm

re: #828 CyanSnowHawk

Great.. I forgot about that...
So ok..rule #9 .. your choice.. Join an existing blog of antisocial outcasts or create your own.. 5 extra points if you make your own. But 10 bonus points if you come up with a story that brings tears to the reader's eyes.

839 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:37:52pm

re: #837 bosforus

re: #786 Charles

Looks like Forever met his ever.

I wonder how the nic "You can't ban me" would go over?

840 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:37:52pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

I respectfully request you cancel my membership

/dramatic exit

841 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:37:55pm

re: #835 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Aww, you're just being kind but I have no problem with accepting charity.

842 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:38:23pm

re: #806 Joan

I admire her. She was, of course, ridiculed and belittled, outright insulted, by the entire Democrat-anointed media enterprise. No insult is ever too heinous to level at a conservative, no accusation too outlandish, no lie too terrible. It is unjust, but from my point of view, she managed to bear it with the coolness, sometimes with humor and defiance. Very well handled, on the whole.

Having said that, I am not a Sarah Palin groupie. She needs to stop campaigning (overtly) for the nod in 2012, and begin to strengthen some of her deficits. For one thing, she is in danger of peaking too soon. She needs to make good use of her remaining time as Governor of Alaska, by serving as a fantastic governor. She has great presence, integrity, strong values, courage, conservative principles.

She also has a very shallow grasp of important issues, those that do not directly pertain to her sphere of action and influence. She needs some sophistication and depth of knowledge. I don't mean cramming, to look good in an interview. Rather, her own study and direct investigation, not a test prep sort of approach.

"Some are born to greatness, others have greatness thrust upon them."
She has so much potential for greatness, and we need leaders. She needs to be part of rebuilding the party, so that social conservatives have a seat at the table. However, social conservatives need to gain in sophistication, develop a better strategy to forge coalitions.

One of the thoughts that I had about her future; why doesn't she try for the RNC chairmanship. I'm not familiar with the requirements, but couldn't she do that and be a governor?

843 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:38:37pm

re: #807 Sharmuta

The Nirthers are in melt down mode.

They must be putting a video together - Loose Nirth.

844 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:38:39pm

re: #824 Killgore Trout

In 2006 I was hoping I wouldn't have to make a choice between Clinton (Hillary) and McCain. At that point I couldn't see much difference between the 2 except I had higher expectations for McCain.

However, he followed the same stupid AGW, comprehensive immigration reform, throw more money at education to 'fix' it, and steal the taxpayer's money to transfer to private corporations as the democrat party.

I respectfully fart in his general direction.

845 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:38:42pm

Dang, seems I missed a banning.

846 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:38:59pm
847 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:39:05pm

re: #839 Silhouette

I wonder how the nic "You can't ban me" would go over?

Or I_Am_Definitely_Not_A_Troll. That'd be a fun one.

848 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:39:06pm

re: #814 johnnyreb

My wife refuses to believe after hers that she made me stop at McDonalds and buy her a double cheeseburger and a large vanilla shake even when the evidence was in the trash. So I would never let someone I didnt not know very well take me home after that.

So true. I asked my husband what happened so many times that he wrote it down and put it on my bed. I also didn't remember talking people who called me on the phone to check on me. Versed is good stuff because I didn't want to remember having that procedure! :>)

849 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:39:21pm

re: #840 Killian Bundy

/dramatic exit

OK you owe me a brand new 50 inch LCD monitor for that one!

850 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:39:33pm

re: #841 Killgore Trout

Aww, you're just being kind but I have no problem with accepting charity.

And for that, sir, I shall up-ding you.
/insult added to injury

(-: ... how are you today?

851 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:39:43pm

re: #818 Silhouette

I'm trying, but I can't think of an election where it wasn't the lesser of two evils.

Okay, the ones where it was the lesser of three evils.

Reagan in '80 and '84.

852 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:40:24pm

re: #822 ggt

Oh sh!t, I completely forgot about Barbados. Now, if I can just find where I wrote that stuff down --is it book thru the summer?

re: #801 father_of_10

Eh, I don't shop at Costco. Too far to drive and there is only 1 kid in my house. Well, there is my husband, and the dogs

/I'd never call my Cat Overlord a kid.

What the bleep? All I got with my membership was a cruise off the coast of somalia!

853 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:40:40pm
854 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:40:52pm

re: #844 Van Helsing

I'm actually hoping that Obama ends up being the right choice. If he had demonstrated common sense and moderation during his campaign I might have actually voted for him.

855 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:41:26pm

re: #849 johnnyreb

OK you owe me a brand new 50 inch LCD monitor for that one!

Just don't try any back flips after you've bought it.

856 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:41:33pm

re: #850 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm well. Recovering from a few days of back pain.

857 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:41:42pm

re: #847 bosforus

Or I_Am_Definitely_Not_A_Troll. That'd be a fun one.


Reformed_Troll

858 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:41:47pm

re: #852 monkeytime

like father of 10 said, some of us are more equal than others . . .

;)

859 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:42:04pm

With a number of small-posting trollbots coming in and saying roughly the same thing, that 'I cant be here anymore, I think LGF sucks blah blah' .. me thinks that someone is doing the same thing over and over again.

And Charles is using the trollswatter with reasonable accuracy.

Where do they come from?

860 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:42:05pm

re: #843 debutaunt

They must be putting a video together - Loose Nirth.

The left has michael moore for their crapumentaries, so perhaps the Nirthers can get ben stein to do theirs.

861 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:42:15pm

re: #845 WrathofG-d

Dang, seems I missed a banning.

2, actually. HongKongCharlie and Forever, who obviously isn't.

862 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:42:38pm

re: #840 Killian Bundy

/dramatic exit


OR ...

863 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:43:20pm

re: #859 Buster Bunny

With a number of small-posting trollbots coming in and saying roughly the same thing, that 'I cant be here anymore, I think LGF sucks blah blah' .. me thinks that someone is doing the same thing over and over again.

And Charles is using the trollswatter with reasonable accuracy.

Where do they come from?

There's a theory there's a factory. I suspect it's in Romania.

864 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:43:27pm

re: #851 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Reagan in '80 and '84.

You are right, sir (or madam)

I can't believe I forgot the first vote I ever cast.

865 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:44:41pm

re: #861 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

2, actually. HongKongCharlie and Forever, who obviously isn't.

Did they:

(A) Tell Charles how to run his site
(B) Tell Charles how to run his site?

866 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:45:20pm

re: #856 Killgore Trout

I'm well. Recovering from a few days of back pain.

Back pain doesn't sound good at this end. I hope it didn't involve spasms. I keep a VERY wary eye on my lower back muscles. Dad had the same problem.

867 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:45:22pm

re: #861 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

2, actually. HongKongCharlie and Forever, who obviously isn't.

Both of them, formidable debators...NOT!

868 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:45:25pm

re: #858 ggt

like father of 10 said, some of us are more equal than others . . .

;)

How much bleeping karma do I need to get to be senator?

869 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:45:29pm

re: #854 Killgore Trout

Indeed. I feel the same myself.
So far.
My personal outlook is that if we can keep energy (electricity, mainly) affordable we can get through pretty much anything.

However, if they screw that up we've got serious problems.

870 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:45:39pm

re: #863 Sharmuta

There's a theory there's a factory. I suspect it's in Romania.

China really undercut the romanian Manufacturing Industrial complex...

871 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:45:48pm

re: #812 HoosierHoops

Hi Walter..We may need rules..
Checklist..
!. meltdown on a subject.. pick one...( I always thought insulting the beautiful girl lizards here was a classic..But often times something about science flips people out) Pck one and go with it...
2. Insult the board...Or better yet..declare the board has insulted you..Being a victim is so now.
3. Send a message that you are walking to the edge..Those final posts before they get deleted are priceless..I'm thinking a hundred stupid posts for Dummies has potential.
4. Send email to Charles.. The more insulting the better
5. Wave good bye
6. Jump
7. Read the reviews
8. Disappear into the ether..
/ I'm looking for 2 more rules to make the top ten meltdown lists lizards...work with me.. :)

Please delete me, let me go,
For I won't live here anymore,
To waste your lives would be a sin,
Delete me and block my name again.
(apologies to Englebert Humperdink)

872 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:46:02pm

re: #865 WrathofG-d

Did they:

(A) Tell Charles how to run his site
(B) Tell Charles how to run his site?

One did and the other agreed.

873 MacGregor  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:46:53pm

I love it when I'm walkin' by the ol' establishment and I see miscreants' bodies being tossed out the swinging doors, landing face first in the mud. It gives me a warm home-town feeling. :)

874 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:46:55pm

re: #848 monkeytime

So true. I asked my husband what happened so many times that he wrote it down and put it on my bed. I also didn't remember talking people who called me on the phone to check on me. Versed is good stuff because I didn't want to remember having that procedure! :>)

I have had 3 knee scopes on the same knee with that stuff and a spinal, and to this day I do not remember one single thing about them, with the exception of number 2 when the doc was looking at the TV thingy and said and I quote: "Jesus thats a mess".

I get to go in for number 4 next month.

875 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:47:03pm

Well, 10 hours of work and a trash can half full Christmas candy wrappers later, I'm out. See ya, lizards!

876 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:47:51pm

re: #867 Soona'

Both of them, formidable debators...NOT!

I didn't even get to read what HKC said. He was already whacked by the time I got to his comment.

877 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:47:59pm

re: #860 Sharmuta

The left has michael moore for their crapumentaries, so perhaps the Nirthers can get ben stein to do theirs.

I'm downloading Ben Steins movie just now. So far I've only seen clips - I figured it's time I beheld it's full rankness.

I feel like someone who's just ordered a shit pizza with extra topping.

878 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:48:14pm

Pakistan's 9-11

Secretary of State Rice and Admiral Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned that failure by Pakistan to take quick and decisive action against Lashkar would... “result in unilateral U.S. action against the group.” “Things seem to be stirring,” one U.S. counterterrorism official said of the Pakistanis after the arrest of Lakhvi. “But results are what counts.”

Pakistan has allowed jihadists to control more and more of its territory with impunity; now the scorpions in Kashmir and Waziristan are very difficult to contain. Nevertheless, non-state actors in Pakistan are still the responsibility of the central government. President Zardari must know that the inability to control those forces means he will eventually forfeit Pakistan’s sovereignty. Pakistan has not reached that point yet; but the events in Mumbai have created tremendous pressure on the Pakistani government to take concrete, effective, sustained, and far-reaching actions. We can’t expect it to happen all at once - but it better have started. If the events from earlier this week are a foreshadowing of things to come, the Mumbai attacks may end up being seen as a historic turning point for the better. If not, things could get very ugly and very dangerous, very quickly.

879 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:48:34pm

re: #863 Sharmuta

There's a theory there's a factory. I suspect it's in Romania.

Transylvania.

880 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:48:38pm

re: #837 bosforus

re: #786 Charles

Looks like Forever met his ever.

I dunno...I lurked for a few years and never caught a registration...as time went by I got a feel for the room and the regular posters and eventually I wanted to get in but just couldnt catch it...I began to understand how valuable and elusive to be a lizard...this was just before Charles started to announce open reg...when I finally got in I was overjoyed...it seems now that people just take it for granted and some immediately whine about the rules...my account was blocked once and it really bothered me...what's up with these newer posters?...they just dont seem to have much respect for this forum and the principle behind it...Charles has a tough job and if it seems he is quick with the stick so be it...I dont mind contrary posters or even trolls for that matter but it's simply a matter of do you want to be here or not...if so buck up and do what your told which is little enough...jus sayin

881 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:48:42pm

Something for everyone:Mary Jane & Jaegermeister

882 JumpLandPackRepeat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:48:43pm

re: #695 gregg

Can I ask a stupid question? I have to have one of those periodic health screenings that requires a local anesthesia. The clinic tells me I can't take a cab home, I have to have someone I know pick me up. It's really a pain to ask a friend to take off work so they can drive me the three miles from the clinic to my home. I was wondering, can the clinic prevent me from taking a cab home? Quite frankly, if something happened on the ride home, I would trust the cab driver more than my friend.

I guess this where I get scolded for ignoring the doctor's advice.

If they hassle you, you should be able to sign out anyway via an AMA (Against Medical Advice) form so they have they asses officially covered in case something were to happen.

883 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:49:04pm

re: #871 Spare O'Lake

Please delete me, let me go,
For I won't live here anymore,
To waste your lives would be a sin,
Delete me and block my name again.
(apologies to Englebert Humperdink)

Now that is classic!

884 bosforus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:49:17pm

re: #876 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I didn't even get to read what HKC said. He was already whacked by the time I got to his comment.

Blah blah blah ... nirth certifikit ... blah blah blah ... you'll see! ... blah blah blah ... I'm running out of tin foil ...

885 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:49:36pm

re: #826 Killgore Trout

I just got here, I'll piss off someone soon.



Dammit Trout! Late again!
You reallly piss me off!

/so, aside from that, how's it goin'?

886 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:50:12pm

re: #863 Sharmuta

There's a theory there's a factory. I suspect it's in Romania.

Bwah ah hahahah .. oh I love it !

Dearest Infidel Capitalist Pig Charles Person,
I am thinking your site is very much this boring pile of doody. Please not be banning me I am disgusted with you and think you should die. Viva Fidel !

Yours sincerely, Bruto Blavic (I mean David Hammersmith)

The Romanian conspiracy continues !

887 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:50:14pm
888 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:50:17pm

If you like penguins. Or if you just like cheering for the underdog.

889 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:50:27pm

re: #874 johnnyreb

I have had 3 knee scopes on the same knee with that stuff and a spinal, and to this day I do not remember one single thing about them, with the exception of number 2 when the doc was looking at the TV thingy and said and I quote: "Jesus thats a mess".

I get to go in for number 4 next month.

Good grief. Check in and let us know how it went. Good luck!

890 Wishing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:50:31pm

re: #736 Forever

Critical Muslim Film released by ex-Muslim Ehsan Jami.

Another Dutch politician (after Wilders) that might touch the nerves of Muslims worldwide.

Interesting film...but I doubt it will get much of a hearing...It is propaganda lol

891 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:51:08pm

re: #876 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Typical Nirther junk and trash.

892 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:51:25pm

Stinky better get some fresh trollbane.

893 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:52:02pm

re: #880 albusteve

Well put.
*salute*

894 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:52:20pm

re: #892 Kenneth

Stinky better get some fresh trollbane.

It seems to work.

895 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:53:38pm

re: #859 Buster Bunny

With a number of small-posting trollbots coming in and saying roughly the same thing, that 'I cant be here anymore, I think LGF sucks blah blah' .. me thinks that someone is doing the same thing over and over again.

And Charles is using the trollswatter with reasonable accuracy.

Where do they come from?

If you slime Charles on his own site, or tell him what to and not to post on it, or tell him how to and not to run it, or tell him what his stance on an issue on it should or should not be, he will expeditiously whack you into next Leap Day like a ginger-headed stepchild.

As is his right.

896 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:54:46pm

Killgore- I'm starting to think PZ Myers is reading LGF

897 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:54:55pm

re: #889 monkeytime

Good grief. Check in and let us know how it went. Good luck!

Thanks. I am just waiting to get to 60 years old so they can give me the bionic knee. I get a tune up every 3 or 4 years or 5,000 miles whichever comes first. Makes me feel young at 52 for a few months or so. All those years in the Navy and running on steel decks will do that to a person.

898 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:55:00pm

re: #882 JumpLandPackRepeat

If they hassle you, you should be able to sign out anyway via an AMA (Against Medical Advice) form so they have they asses officially covered in case something were to happen.

But be warned that checking out AMA can be grounds for your insurance to not pay your claim. (Can you tell I'm in the medical field?) :>)

899 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:55:49pm

re: #880 albusteve

I dunno...I lurked for a few years and never caught a registration...as time went by I got a feel for the room and the regular posters and eventually I wanted to get in but just couldnt catch it...I began to understand how valuable and elusive to be a lizard...this was just before Charles started to announce open reg...when I finally got in I was overjoyed...it seems now that people just take it for granted and some immediately whine about the rules...my account was blocked once and it really bothered me...what's up with these newer posters?...they just dont seem to have much respect for this forum and the principle behind it...Charles has a tough job and if it seems he is quick with the stick so be it...I dont mind contrary posters or even trolls for that matter but it's simply a matter of do you want to be here or not...if so buck up and do what your told which is little enough...jus sayin

Your story is my story. Lizard life is good. Why would I want to screw it up?

900 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:56:14pm

re: #896 Sharmuta

Killgore- I'm starting to think PZ Myers is reading LGF

Did you read that whole thing? If so...wow screw you both too!

901 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:56:40pm

Jaish-e-Mohammed leader placed under ‘house arrest’
By Bill Roggio

Pakistan has placed Masood Azhar, the founder and leader of the Jaish-e-Mohammed, under house arrest in the wake of mounting international pressure to act against terror groups involved with the Nov. 26 terror attacks in Mumbai, India.

Security forces have reportedly surrounded Azhar’s home in Bahawalpur and are preventing him from traveling. Azhar is one of an estimated 20 Pakistani terrorists wanted by India for their role in the Mumbai attacks.

Pakistani security officials said the operations against the Lashkar-e-Taiba and other groups would continue. “The operation is going on in Muzaffarabad and some other parts of the country and some arrests have been made, including a top man of Lashkar,” Inter-Services Public Relations Director General Major General Athar Abbas told Dawn. “We do not want to go into details of the operation because of certain reasons and sensitivity of the matter.” Raids have also been reported in the capital of Islamabad.

The operation is being led by Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence agency, Abbas said, “in which not only army but all civil security agencies are taking part.”

That detail is less than reassuring.

902 Rancher  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:56:40pm

re: #878 Kenneth

Pakistan's 9-11


Looks like more than window dressing. I'm surprised the military is going along with the crackdown though. Should another military coup happen then things will really spiral downward.

903 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:56:48pm

re: #885 IslandLibertarian


I'm hangin' in there. The economy has me a little nervous but other than that I'm doing pretty well. You?

904 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:56:59pm

re: #899 Soona'

Your story is my story. Lizard life is good. Why would I want to screw it up?

Tru Dat

905 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:57:25pm

re: #899 Soona'

Your story is my story. Lizard life is good. Why would I want to screw it up?

My existance goes back as far as 2002 i think on this site .. but officially its 2004 (thats when registration OFFICIALLY took place) but .. its been a while now.

Did you know bunnies dont live that long? :(

906 gregg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:57:35pm

re: #882 JumpLandPackRepeat

If they hassle you, you should be able to sign out anyway via an AMA (Against Medical Advice) form so they have they asses officially covered in case something were to happen.

Thanks everyone for your answers. Having been through this before, and not having any adverse reaction, my preferred course of action would to be have a friend on standby in case I did have an adverse reaction. If, like the other time, I'm fine, I would just take a cab home.

I'll probably wuss out and have a friend come pick me up - just in case I run into a nurse Ratched.

907 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:57:46pm

re: #826 Killgore Trout

Remember, Just by breathing you are pi$$ing off numerous muslims.

908 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:58:11pm

ohhh live police chase on Fox news. Getting the popcorn.

909 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:58:20pm

re: #868 monkeytime

I don't think it's Karma that you need. Unless Karma is green. . . .

910 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:58:41pm

re: #900 WrathofG-d

Did you read that whole thing? If so...wow screw you both too!

What was your problem with "the whole thing?"

911 Outrider  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:58:44pm

re: #817 Fat Jolly Penguin

This should help.

/schadenfreude

-619 karma? Damn, it's like lizards have made pilgrimages to her post to down-ding her. But, I remember her posts... well worth the trip to down-ding.

912 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:58:57pm

re: #896 Sharmuta

Heh. I think I originally stole the link from Meyers or Dawkins. I do link to PZ Meyers on occasion. I wonder if he's noticed on his traffic logs. He is probably a lefty and it might annoy him.

913 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:59:14pm

I received three interesting communications today.

Communication #1, from a vendor offering a commission of 12% (to be raised to 20% on performance) to sell their products at the Zionist Mall.

Communication #2, from a recruiter asking if I am interested in a tech writing assignment, must have automotive experience. I say yes, then the recruiter says, you need specific ambulance operating experience (this is for EMS documentation). Well I get put on the list anyway just for being able to write English without spelling mistakes.

Communication #3, from Jennifer Granholm, saying I am eligible for another 18 weeks of getting paid for doing nothing.

914 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 4:59:24pm

re: #908 monkeytime

ohhh live police chase on Fox news. Getting the popcorn.

Blago is skipping bail.
/

915 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:00:08pm

re: #902 Rancher

I believe there is a faction within the military which is not into the whole jiahd thing. Unfortunately, there is another faction, or two, which are pro-jihad. In a real sense, Pakistan has been in a state of civil war since 9-11. Hell, they've been at it since Partition in 1947. My guess is sooner or later the pro-jiahd faction will figure they've got no choice but to go all out on the civilian gov't.

916 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:00:47pm

re: #908 monkeytime

ohhh live police chase on Fox news. Getting the popcorn.

OJ? ...Blago?

917 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:00:52pm

re: #905 Buster Bunny

My existance goes back as far as 2002 i think on this site .. but officially its 2004 (thats when registration OFFICIALLY took place) but .. its been a while now.

Did you know bunnies dont live that long? :(

The one in your avitar will live forever. (Pesky wabbit!)
/

918 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:01:14pm
919 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:01:19pm

re: #907 FamHistoryGuy

I'm breathing as fast as I can.

920 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:01:22pm

re: #901 Kenneth

Jaish-e-Mohammed leader placed under ‘house arrest’
By Bill Roggio

That detail is less than reassuring.

I agree. The ISI can easily make sure their friend isn't unduly inconvenience.

921 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:01:34pm

re: #900 WrathofG-d

I read it. Consider me screwed.

922 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:02:05pm

So solly - WaPo's Vote for Senator Caroline: ...she's written a book on the subject...

Thar ya go, matey.

923 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:02:46pm

re: #907 FamHistoryGuy

My existence annoys many people of different faiths.

924 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:03:08pm

re: #921 Killgore Trout

I read it. Consider me screwed.

I asked Wrath above what was his problem with what he read, but he's not answering.

925 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:03:15pm

re: #914 Walter L. Newton

LOL!

926 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:03:15pm

re: #910 Walter L. Newton

When one complains that the threads here that discuss I.D., are really just covers to deny, and attack religion, the most common response is that it is not but simply a desire to keep science in science classrooms, and religion in "church". (some however will dismissively state that it can be taught in "Philosophy").

Yet that article go further. It doesn't say that both are fine but only science should be taught in school, it with an arrogant tone of dismissal, attacks the idea of "creation" in general, and even goes as far to attack the story of the flood.

At this point the attack is no longer on those who wish to only have science in school, but on the tenants of Religion itself.

That is what I feel is "wrong" with it.

927 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:03:29pm

re: #920 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He's been arested twice before and then released. Jaish-e-Mohammed, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Harakat ul-Jihad-I-Islami & Lashkar-e-Taiba are all creatures of the ISI.

928 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:03:38pm

re: #903 Killgore Trout

I'm trying to resuscitate my 401K, grateful I wasn't laid off (4 co-workers let go)
doin' some small home improvement, glad to be pumping air...

Again, read "The River Why" by David James Duncan...if you still like fishin' and spiritual conundrums...

929 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:04:18pm

re: #906 gregg

It's not my biz..But I would take your friend out to a nice dinner..
Take a cab to the office and have him/her pick you up at the approx. time and use their lunch hour to do it.
/Hey.. I'll be done at about 1:30 pm can you swing me home?
//spoil your friends..they spoil you all the time

930 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:04:41pm

re: #926 WrathofG-d
Someone missed their nap today.

931 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:04:56pm

re: #921 Killgore Trout

For clarity. My "screw you" should have been directed at Sharmuta if she had read the entire thing then advocated it.

You were passive in that statement, and I apologize.

932 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:05:00pm

Boy, did this thread fill up fast. That will teach me to go grocery shopping.

933 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:05:17pm

re: #911 Outrider

-619 karma? Damn, it's like lizards have made pilgrimages to her post to down-ding her. But, I remember her posts... well worth the trip to down-ding.

*chuckle* ... Yes. That one especially. (I took the high road and didn't unlimber pre-Boomer's SockPuppy on her.)

934 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:05:25pm

PZ Meyers does have another interesting thread up today...
Target-rich polling environment

AOL is running several polls on Bush's recent statements — they seem more shocked by the fact that he didn't believe the bible was literally true than that he doubted evolution.

935 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:05:41pm

re: #561 ploome hineni

well, ok

here is the pic

I luv your hair :>)

936 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:05:43pm

re: #930 Cathypop

Actually NO. But interesting 1st post to me.

Nice to meet you.

937 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:06:34pm

So how does everyone feel about nanotechnology?

938 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:07:24pm

re: #937 Jimmah

I like it, I just wish it were bigger.

939 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:07:44pm

re: #926 WrathofG-d

When one complains that the threads here that discuss I.D., are really just covers to deny, and attack religion, the most common response is that it is not but simply a desire to keep science in science classrooms, and religion in "church". (some however will dismissively state that it can be taught in "Philosophy").

Yet that article go further. It doesn't say that both are fine but only science should be taught in school, it with an arrogant tone of dismissal, attacks the idea of "creation" in general, and even goes as far to attack the story of the flood.

At this point the attack is no longer on those who wish to only have science in school, but on the tenants of Religion itself.

That is what I feel is "wrong" with it.

So you believe there really was a worldwide flood, in this universe? Despite the fact that there wasn't? And do you also believe that Noah's Ark is sitting somewhere on top of Mt. Ararat?

940 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:08:08pm

re: #926 WrathofG-d

...attacks the idea of "creation" in general, and even goes as far to attack the story of the flood.


Uh, dude... There is no evidence flood ever happened. It's an adaptation of a Sumerian myth. It's really just a story.

941 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:08:27pm

re: #937 Jimmah

So how does everyone feel about nanotechnology?

Google Grey Goop and thats my answer.

942 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:08:45pm

re: #926 WrathofG-d

When one complains that the threads here that discuss I.D., are really just covers to deny, and attack religion, the most common response is that it is not but simply a desire to keep science in science classrooms, and religion in "church". (some however will dismissively state that it can be taught in "Philosophy").

Yet that article go further. It doesn't say that both are fine but only science should be taught in school, it with an arrogant tone of dismissal, attacks the idea of "creation" in general, and even goes as far to attack the story of the flood.

At this point the attack is no longer on those who wish to only have science in school, but on the tenants of Religion itself.

That is what I feel is "wrong" with it.

Fine. But that doesn't dismiss the facts in the article that he points out about education, evolution and creation theories.

And why does he have to NOT attack the story of the flood. That story is as suspect (by science) as the creation story. Both have a lot to do with science versus faith.

Just because he doesn't like religion in general, doesn't mean he's wrong.

943 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:08:55pm

re: #937 Jimmah

bad stuff, it could replicate.

/

944 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:09:09pm
945 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:09:27pm

re: #931 WrathofG-d

WTF? So- linking something equals advocating the position of what is linked. You didn't even ask me what my take on it was- I simply got a "screw you" for linking it.

946 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:09:41pm

re: #928 IslandLibertarian

Again, read "The River Why" by David James Duncan


I picked up a copy a few months ago but haven't starting in on it yet.

947 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:09:52pm

Secret document confirms Hameed Gul wanted by US

A secret US document, marked as releasable to the Government of Pakistan, has linked former Inter-Services Intelligence chief Lt-Gen (retd) Hamid Gul to the Taliban and al-Qaeda networks.

The two-page unsigned document had already been provided to the government, a knowledgeable source revealed to The News here on Saturday on condition of anonymity.

He said Gul had been charged in the paper with providing financial assistance to Kabul-based criminal groups and involvement in spotting, assessing, recruiting and training young men from seminaries.

The recruits are reportedly trained for attacks on the US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan. The ex-general, according to the source, has been accused of assisting the Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters in developing high-tech weapons.

Gul is one of the five erstwhile ISI officials whose names Washington has recommended to the UN Security Council for inclusion in the list of international terrorists. When contacted by this scribe, Gul laughed off the charges which, according to him, are simply hilarious.

I'd like to see how hilarious he finds getting a hellfire up his ass.

948 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:10:30pm

I hate to watch old lizards melt down.

949 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:10:33pm

re: #919 Cathypop

Don't hyperventilate. You will be able to breathe longer.

950 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:10:36pm

re: #939 Charles

Do I believe there was a flood. not 100% but leaning towards yes.

Do I believe that the Ark is still on Mt. Ararat? Possibly. I don't know enough about it.

But I don't think either are really the point. If people are going to say that religion is dumb, then fine. But they should be honest about it. They also cannot act surprised when they do, and religious people get upset about it, as I would expect them to be upset if I insulted them. Again however, they should just be honest about it, and not hide behind other so-called purposes.

If the issue is that it shouldn't be taught in science classes, then that is one thing. If it is that religion is just plain stupid, that is another.

That is my only point on this subject.

951 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:10:40pm

re: #944 taxfreekiller

And, it took you how long to figure this out.

HELLO--Chicago Politics is Illinois Politics.

952 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:11:10pm

re: #943 ggt

bad stuff, it could replicate.

/

Yeah. I've seen the movies, ya' know.
/

953 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:11:32pm

re: #937 Jimmah

re: #948 Killgore Trout
As I said earlier he missed his nap.

954 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:11:59pm

The story of Noah's Ark is just that -- a story. It's not a documentary. The Great Flood did not really happen. Sorry if you think that makes me an asshole too, but if you're going to argue that it really happened, it's up to you to prove it. Because there is absolutely no evidence in this world for it.

955 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:12:09pm

re: #950 WrathofG-d

Do I believe there was a flood. not 100% but leaning towards yes.

Do I believe that the Ark is still on Mt. Ararat? Possibly. I don't know enough about it.

But I don't think either are really the point. If people are going to say that religion is dumb, then fine. But they should be honest about it. They also cannot act surprised when they do, and religious people get upset about it, as I would expect them to be upset if I insulted them. Again however, they should just be honest about it, and not hide behind other so-called purposes.

If the issue is that it shouldn't be taught in science classes, then that is one thing. If it is that religion is just plain stupid, that is another.

That is my only point on this subject.

The writers position is that the "science" of religion is stupid (your wording).

On that point, I agree and I think that a lot of people would agree, EVEN CHRISTIANS.

956 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:12:10pm

I had no idea I wasn't allowed to share a link with another Lizards if it offended the sensibilities of a third Lizard, and that by linking something meant that I endorse the linked opinion 100%.

957 So?  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:12:18pm

47.09768456343 feet and counting.

958 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:12:21pm

re: #949 FamHistoryGuy

Trying to piss off as many as I can.

959 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:12:32pm

re: #923 Killgore Trout

Does it come naturally or do you work at it?

960 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:12:38pm

re: #954 Charles

The story of Noah's Ark is just that -- a story. It's not a documentary. The Great Flood did not really happen. Sorry if you think that makes me an asshole too, but if you're going to argue that it really happened, it's up to you to prove it. Because there is absolutely no evidence in this world for it.

Goody. I see a great new thread coming up.

961 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:12:38pm

re: #940 Killgore Trout

Killgore. You don't like religion. Fine. We get that. You're at least honest about it. I retracted my inappropriate direction of a "screw you" to you.

re: #942 Walter L. Newton

See 950. You are correct.

re: #945 Sharmuta

Fair enough, it was a presumption. If I am wrong then I apologize. I just imagine from past conversations on this issue that you actually do agree and advocate his position.

962 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:13:22pm

re: #927 Kenneth

He's been arested twice before and then released. Jaish-e-Mohammed, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Harakat ul-Jihad-I-Islami & Lashkar-e-Taiba are all creatures of the ISI.

Though I'm not up on the complete cast of characters over there, I intuited that he was their boy. I'm going to have to do some reading all the ISI's little toadies.

963 Joan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:13:31pm

re: #840 Killian Bundy

YOU just like that silly emo-prairie dog

/me too

964 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:13:35pm

re: #939 Charles

So you believe there really was a worldwide flood, in this universe? Despite the fact that there wasn't? And do you also believe that Noah's Ark is sitting somewhere on top of Mt. Ararat?

Charles.. You don't believe there were Rainbows before the flood because the science just wasn't there? I'm shocked..
Charles..Have you checked out the dailygalaxy.com? pretty good science but a little heavy on the global warming stuff.

965 Joan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:14:34pm

re: #918 taxfreekiller

page 32

60. at the end

A comparison of the names and entities on the list with information available from public sources and FBI investigative files reflects that numerous of the individuals and intities on that list have state contrats or have received public benefits conferred by Blagojevich.

Is "influence peddling" an actual legal term, and is it a crime? It would seem to fit what you've listed.

966 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:15:08pm

re: #950 WrathofG-d

Wrath and Charles .. its the 'big fish' story .. you know where the fish caught gets bigger on the way home .. by the time the fisherman gets home .. its a whale or marlin that 'he barely fought off to survive'.

Point being, like the ancient city of Troy, which for years was lost .. not so much that it was actually lost .. but people had been saying it was SOOO much bigger than it really was for so long .. that when it was found .. it was a bit of a disappointment to all concerned.

There probably was a 'flood' but it was localised and took up a small sector of the world as it was. Affecting a small number of people and thats it. But not nearly of the scale that has always been proposed.

Its the Middle East .. man .. the guy with the biggest story wins !

967 bellamags  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:15:08pm

Ted Turner is a creep.

968 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:15:27pm

re: #941 Buster Bunny

I think the grey goo fear is way over-played.

Grey goo is a small issue

UPDATE: The August 2004 issue of the Institute of Physics journal Nanotechnology includes an article on "Safe Exponential Manufacturing", co-authored by Chris Phoenix and Eric Drexler. They conclude that:

Nanotechnology-based fabrication can be thoroughly non-biological and inherently safe: such systems need have no ability to move about, use natural resources, or undergo incremental mutation. Moreover, self-replication is unnecessary: the development and use of highly productive systems of nanomachinery (nanofactories) need not involve the construction of autonomous self-replicating nanomachines. Accordingly, the construction of anything resembling a dangerous self-replicating nanomachine can and should be prohibited. Although advanced nanotechnologies could (with great difficulty and little incentive) be used to build such devices, other concerns present greater problems. Since weapon systems will be both easier to build and more likely to draw investment, the potential for dangerous systems is best considered in the context of military competition and arms control.

969 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:15:30pm

re: #954 Charles

The story of Noah's Ark is just that -- a story. It's not a documentary. The Great Flood did not really happen. Sorry if you think that makes me an asshole too, but if you're going to argue that it really happened, it's up to you to prove it. Because there is absolutely no evidence in this world for it.

It seems that your presumption is that only things that can be proven are true. I do not agree.

(here is where you deny that that was your presumption)

Eitherway however, this isn't about whether it is true or not, but about the attitude one has against those that believe that it is, and being honest about that attitude.

Like I stated before, if one believes the Torah, Bible, etc., are nonsense lies, or allegory, then fine...just admit it. If it is about not having Religion taught in school, then admit that.

970 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:16:46pm

re: #966 Buster Bunny

Thank you for your respectful response.

I have no interest in getting into the so-called truth or so-called falsity of the story as I don't find it relevant to my initial point.

971 Irish Rose  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:17:27pm

Nominations have opened for the 2008 Jihad Watch Watch Awards.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Guess whos' being nominated (repeatedly) for American Dhimmi of the Year 2008?

/un freaking believable

972 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:17:30pm

Ruh-Roh...

973 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:17:52pm

I'd vote for having the bible kept in the classroom for one reason only. And thats to have people learn the ten commandments. You know .. little things like dont kill .. dont steal .. love your mom and dad .. in this crazy world .. those ideas are the ones worth preserving.

974 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:18:01pm

Note to President-Elect Obama: just tell the truth

Today, President-Elect Obama spoke out about the emerging political scandal out of Illinois involving his former Senate seat, and he denied emphatically having ever even spoken to the now-arrested governor about the matter, saying:

"I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

Ummm...I have to say that this statement is pretty hard to believe. Of course the outgoing Senator and his staff would speak to the governor of the same party and his staff about which individuals might be shortlisted for the vacant seat. There would be nothing wrong with such conversations, as long as no quid pro quo scenario was discussed or suggested. That would simply be a reasonable and prudent conversation for Obama to have had with Blagojevich, and it's hard to believe that he did not.

And in fact, according to one of his top advisors, Obama did talk to the governor about the matter.

...on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a "kingmaker," Axelrod said, "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them."

I don't believe the evidence will support any accusation that Barack Obama was involved with Blagojevich's alleged seat-for-sale scheme, but Obama is doing himself NO favors by lying about any element of this matter. There would be nothing wrong with Obama having spoken with the governor, and that's what Obama should have said today - that he discussed possible candidates with Blagojevich, but had no idea that the governor was making plans to auction off the Senate seat to the highest bidder.

Lying is never a good idea. It's an especially bad idea when the person who has just been arrested apparently hates you, and would likely love to see you taken down with him. Plus, this sort of pointless lie just fuels the flames for those who are looking for reasons to discredit you and shame you. It makes their job awfully easy.

No more lies, please, Mr. President-Elect. Come clean on whatever your dealings have been with Blagojevich in this matter, and let's put it behind us and move on.

And did I mention the no more lying part?

975 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:18:17pm

re: #971 Irish Rose

Nominations have opened for the 2008 Jihad Watch Watch Awards.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Guess whos' being nominated (repeatedly) for American Dhimmi of the Year 2008?

/un freaking believable

You feeling better Irish?

976 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:18:36pm

re: #969 WrathofG-d

It seems that your presumption is that only things that can be proven are true. I do not agree.

(here is where you deny that that was your presumption)

Eitherway however, this isn't about whether it is true or not, but about the attitude one has against those that believe that it is, and being honest about that attitude.

Like I stated before, if one believes the Torah, Bible, etc., are nonsense lies, or allegory, then fine...just admit it. If it is about not having Religion taught in school, then admit that.

I think you'll find that PZ Myers has no trouble at all being honest about how he feels about religion. He's an atheist. I know that thin-skinned creationists act like this is the worst thing in the world, but the only person you're harming with this intolerant nonsense is yourself.

977 bellamags  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:18:45pm

re: #972 JCM

Ruh-Roh...

That guy had to be dizzy. I woulda puked.

978 maddogg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:18:47pm

Well, on Foxnews they were talking about the Government basically nationalizing the American industry, with politicians directing the big three. I will tell you this right now, if this comes about I will NEVER buy another American car again. The UAW can put a non slip, death grip, lip lock on my sphincter.

979 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:18:57pm

re: #959 FamHistoryGuy

It's like one of those superpowers that is also a curse. I unfortunately have no control over it.

980 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:19:07pm

re: #961 WrathofG-d

Fair enough, it was a presumption. If I am wrong then I apologize. I just imagine from past conversations on this issue that you actually do agree and advocate his position.

What are you talking about? I support science in science class, and religion at church or temple or mosque or not at all if that is what one subscribes to. I support the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment.

981 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:19:13pm

re: #950 WrathofG-d

Do I believe there was a flood. not 100% but leaning towards yes.

You are not new here. It's strange that you don't realize that this sentence requires more explanation than your "leaning".

Whatever you may rant about attacks on religion, there isn't the slightest bit of touchable evidence for a worldwide flood, in the most literal biblical sense. Now, it is quite conceivable that there were such floods that appeared of biblical proportions to peoples of the time, who thought the world was flat and that the earth was the center of the heavens, but for a supposedly educated person like you to simply make such a matter of fact statement and think it can be accepted is, strange.

982 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:19:21pm

Evening all! I was at work and couldn't post on the earlier thread about Blago's arrest but I did start work on a song about it. I know its normally buzzsawmonkey who does this but I think you'll like my first verse. We can add to it later:

Fitzmas in Chicago (To the tune of Christmas in Kilarnie):

"When snow comes down, and all around, you see indictments handed down,
It's Fitzmas in Chicago, and under the bus with Rod!

"When Barry (he's The One, it's true) says, 'That is not the Gov I knew",
It's Fitzmas in Chicago, and under the bus with Rod!"

983 VegasRick  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:19:38pm

re: #960 Walter L. Newton

Goody. I see a great new thread coming up.

*crossing fingers*
/

984 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:20:03pm

Jeezus. Ted Turner is a fucking moonbat.

985 NYCHardhat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:20:04pm

Joe The Plumber: McCain appalled me.

986 Irish Rose  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:20:19pm

re: #971 Irish Rose

2008 Jihad Watch Watch Awards.

Because I'm still disoriented and can't post worth a shit.

987 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:20:23pm

re: #967 bellamags

Ted Turner is a creep.

I like what he does with his land...otherwise I agree

988 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:20:24pm

re: #971 Irish Rose

Yeah, I saw that earlier. Although I'm sure Spencer is going to get a few nominations for the Fiskie this year I don't think he deserves it. I hope Lizards show more class.

989 Soona'  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:20:24pm

As of now, I'm on vacation. Flying to Vegas for a few days and then off to sunny,warm Maui. Talk with y'all later.

990 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:20:45pm

re: #972 JCM

Ruh-Roh...

Hoo boy!

991 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:21:08pm

0bama presidency ends in 1503 days

992 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:21:09pm

re: #969 WrathofG-d

...
Like I stated before, if one believes the Torah, Bible, etc., are nonsense lies, or allegory, then fine...just admit it. If it is about not having Religion taught in school, then admit that.

I still don't see the problem. It certainly seems that that scientist was saying pretty clearly what he thought about religion and scripture.

993 BBev  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:21:39pm

re: #744 HongKongCharlie

Wow 8 post and you want out, please don't let the door hit you in the ass.

994 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:21:58pm

Great .. now we have the concept of 'Floodists' - people who believe in the flood.

995 bellamags  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:22:29pm

re: #985 NYCHardhat

Joe The Plumber: McCain appalled me.

that's cool he said that about Palin.

996 Jed 1899  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:22:34pm

McVain appalled me too.
I had to vote against the alternative.
JTP is me.

997 Irish Rose  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:22:37pm

re: #975 HoosierHoops

You feeling better Irish?

A little bit, thanks for asking.

998 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:23:02pm

re: #973 Buster Bunny

I'd vote for having the bible kept in the classroom for one reason only. And thats to have people learn the ten commandments. You know .. little things like dont kill .. dont steal .. love your mom and dad .. in this crazy world .. those ideas are the ones worth preserving.

Ah, there is a lot of other pronouncements in the 10 commandments that I would have problem with in the classroom.

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 Do not have any other gods before me.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

8 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

999 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:23:16pm

re: #969 WrathofG-d

It seems that your presumption is that only things that can be proven are true. I do not agree.

Ahem. Pedantic notes follow. First, that that's not what Charles said, but you can debate him about that. Second, that it is very nearly the case, "that the only things that can be proven are true". You cannot prove the negative hypothesis.

How can you prove that you are not Batman?

1000 Haverwilde  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:23:46pm

re: #926 WrathofG-d

When one complains that the threads here that discuss I.D., are really just covers to deny, and attack religion, ...
attacks the idea of "creation" in general, and even goes as far to attack the story of the flood.
At this point the attack is no longer on those who wish to only have science in school, but on the tenants of Religion itself.

In part you are correct. There is, in part, a criticism of some tenets of some religions. Specifically, for my part, there is a severe criticism of religious dogma which espouse beliefs that are antithetical to critical thinking, and elevate 3000 year old mythology to a status as fact. (There is a truth in mythology, and an understanding of the world conveyed in mythology, but to demand that it be true is absurd. Briar Rabbit and the story of the briar patch has a truth, but no one ‘believes’ it happened.)
There are lots of discussions on the source of the ‘flood’ myth, my favorite is “Noah’s Flood.”
The problem will remain as long as religious/theological education/dogma does not keep up with the accumulate knowledge of the last 2000 years.

1001 NYCHardhat  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:23:48pm

re: #995 bellamags

that's cool he said that about Palin.

She was the only true conservative.

Oh yeah, Hi bella *kiss*

1002 Hobbes  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:25:00pm

re: #954 Charles

The story of Noah's Ark is just that -- a story. It's not a documentary. The Great Flood did not really happen. Sorry if you think that makes me an asshole too, but if you're going to argue that it really happened, it's up to you to prove it. Because there is absolutely no evidence in this world for it.

I think it's fascinating that there can be so much active debate about the truth or lack of it in legends, myths, parables, etc. that are associated with one religion or another. It seems to me that misses the point. If another man lives a better life and behaves towards others in a more acceptable fashion because of his religious beliefs, I see it as a benefit to me and to others. Why sweat the small stuff so long as it doesn't become part of the public school curricula. We have enough problems in that area resulting from incompetent faculty and liberal indoctrination.

1003 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:25:19pm

re: #971 Irish Rose

Wow... some of them have really lost it over there:

American Dhimmi of the Year 2008.
Charles Johnson

Dhimmi Internationale of the Year 2008.
Ban Ki-moon

American Anti-Dhimmi of the Year 2008.
Diana West, Pamela Geller

Anti-Dhimmi Internationale of the Year 2008.
Ezra Levant, Father Zakaria Botros
Posted by: Kinana of Khaybar

and she gets a boost!


Uh, can I nominate Kinana of Khaybar for nominator of the year?

u da bomb, girl
Posted by: Pamela Geller

Sick.

1004 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:25:21pm

re: #973 Buster Bunny

And on another thought. Which version of the ten commandment do you want to use? There's more than one.

1005 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:26:16pm

re: #992 Walter L. Newton

He (WOG) appears to be challenging us to admit to not being scriptural literalists - as though this is some scary thing that people here would want to hide.

1006 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:26:33pm

re: #994 Buster Bunny

Great .. now we have the concept of 'Floodists' - people who believe in the flood.

elieve it or not.. I had a Biology teacher in High School that taught us that if there was a great flood..All Carbon dating would be rendered wrong and the Earth could be 6000 years old..
Even then the hoopster knew the speed of light has stretched out for Billions of years...The age of Earth rocks can be argued.. The speed of light cannot..

1007 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:26:34pm

re: #984 boogberg

Jeezus. Ted Turner is a fucking moonbat.

Well, he was married to Hanoi Jane. . . .

1008 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:27:31pm

re: #1007 BlueCanuck

Well, he was married to Hanoi Jane. . . .

he grows buffalo...thats a good thing

1009 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:27:36pm

re: #1003 Kenneth

Dianna West (Big Vlaams Belang supporter) gets a couple nominations. Maybe Dewinter should win the Fiskie this year for sinking the counter-Jihad movement. It really was quite a feat.

1010 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:27:45pm

re: #1003 Kenneth

Robert has proven that he's an out and out creep and a first class scumbag. I regret ever saying anything positive about him.

1011 ggt  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:27:54pm

see you all later!

1012 bellamags  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:28:09pm

re: #1001 NYCHardhat

She was the only true conservative.

Oh yeah, Hi bella *kiss*

; )*
Wish I knew more about her before the election. She seemed to have very tactical ways of solving problems. Zeroed in on something and took care of it. Follow-through. You don't see that much with politicians.

1013 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:28:27pm

re: #976 Charles

First, please don't summarily throw me in with the lunatics that happen to also believe in the Torah, Bible, etc. They and I might agree on some points, but I assure you I am not like them.

Ignoring the name calling, I also take issue with the assertion that I am acting like this is "the worst thing in the world". It isn't. Far from it. It just happens to be the issue that was brought up by Sharmuta on this thead, and obviously by you on others, so I am discussing it.

Overall however, I simply advocate for clarity on what the true issue is to be discussed. Are we discussing whether the idea of Creation, and Biblical literalism are stupid, or are we discussing whether or not Religion should be taught in school.

As far as I'm concerned, the answers for each question is different.

As to PZ Meyers honest about hating religion, you are correct. (I presume. I really don't know much about him) That is why I didn't say anything about him in particular. But your comment did remind me that Sharmuta had previously also told me that he/she thought religion or Biblical literalism was crazy (IIRC, if not I appologize)...and thus I shouldn't have be surprised.

My initial, and underlying question remains however: When LGF brings these types of topics up, are we discussing whether the idea of Creation, and Biblical literalism are stupid, or are we discussing whether or not Religion should be taught in school?

1014 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:28:50pm

re: #1005 Jimmah

He (WOG) appears to be challenging us to admit to not being scriptural literalists - as though this is some scary thing that people here would want to hide.

I don't agree. That's sort of a loaded comment. WOG is fair in his debating here, and I would not assume that he is trying to bait anyone.

No me... hehehehehe...

1015 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:29:51pm

re: #1003 Kenneth

Wow... some of them have really lost it over there:

Sick.

Charles is no Dhimmi! The only one of those that I agree with is Ezra Levant as anti-dhimmi. He is indeed a firm defender of freedom, and he defends it without supporting fascists or Troofers.

1016 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:30:30pm

re: #981 Naso Tang

What you wish to discuss is (a) is the story true (b) is their evidence & (c) what could be a different explanation.

None of which have anything to do with my initial underlying inquiry about if the gripe of people on LGF, and LGF is about religion being taught in the classroom, or about Biblical literalism/Religion itself.

1017 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:31:01pm

re: #973 Buster Bunny

I'd vote for having the bible kept in the classroom for one reason only. And thats to have people learn the ten commandments. You know .. little things like dont kill .. dont steal .. love your mom and dad .. in this crazy world .. those ideas are the ones worth preserving.

Don't steal? Love your mom and dad? Neither of these are mentioned in the only list specifically referred to by a bible passage as the 10 commandments:

1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
4. All the first-born are mine.
5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.
8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.
9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10. Thou shalt not seethe (boil/cook) a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.

Perhaps you're thinking of the first 10 of 600+ rules that God spoke to Moses?

1018 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:31:07pm

re: #926 WrathofG-d

When one complains that the threads here that discuss I.D., are really just covers to deny, and attack religion, the most common response is that it is not but simply a desire to keep science in science classrooms, and religion in "church". (some however will dismissively state that it can be taught in "Philosophy").

Yet that article go further. It doesn't say that both are fine but only science should be taught in school, it with an arrogant tone of dismissal, attacks the idea of "creation" in general, and even goes as far to attack the story of the flood.

At this point the attack is no longer on those who wish to only have science in school, but on the tenants of Religion itself.

That is what I feel is "wrong" with it.

Genesis Literalism is empirically impossible, and it is only simple honesty to say so.

1019 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:31:10pm

re: #1002 Hobbes

This is a two edged issue. Someone who behaves well BECAUSE of religion is no doubt a benefit to others, just as is the atheists who does the same because of personal rationalized ethics.

The point is not the behavior, but the attempt to impose the reasons on others.

If one doesn't want to be criticized for believing in "The Flood" when any reasonable believer knows it is bunk to scientists, then it is their responsibility to keep their mouth shut, not the critics who would have said nothing had the former done the same.

1020 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:31:14pm

re: #1013 WrathofG-d

...
My initial, and underlying question remains however: When LGF brings these types of topics up, are we discussing whether the idea of Creation, and Biblical literalism are stupid, or are we discussing whether or not Religion should be taught in school?

We are discussing whether the "science" that appears in scripture should be taught in schools.

1021 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:31:17pm

re: #1010 Charles

I still cannot understand how they can stand up for the Euro-trash neo-nazis. It's just boggles my mind.

1022 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:31:49pm

re: #1014 Walter L. Newton

Like I stated before, if one believes the Torah, Bible, etc., are nonsense lies, or allegory, then fine...just admit it.

That seems to me to define the set of people who are not biblical literalists.

1023 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:32:10pm

re: #1005 Jimmah

Please do not put words in my mouth (or words out of my keyboard, or whatever)

I hadn't made that assumption, but insofar that individuals so adamantly refuse to answer it directly, I am beginning to wonder.

1024 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:33:10pm

re: #1013 WrathofG-d

First of all- I'm female. Really thought the avatar would help with this.

Second- I have never said religion was crazy. EVER.

Not that it's any of your business, but I attend Mass and am considering converting to Catholicism.

1025 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:33:21pm

re: #999 itellu3times

My point was that it seems that his presumption was that only things that can be proovable have the ability to be (capitol T) True.

You are smart enough to see that.

1026 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:33:24pm

re: #1010 Charles

Robert has proven that he's an out and out creep and a first class scumbag. I regret ever saying anything positive about him.

(as a reminder to all here)

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Oops. Wrong answer, huh Robert.

Do you know, every time I post this, it comes up on Jihad Watch, someone mentions that I posted it or Robert will say something in a comment. He is really paranoid.

1027 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:33:38pm

re: #1023 WrathofG-d

Please do not put words in my mouth

Why not? You just did it me.

1028 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:33:52pm

re: #1013 WrathofG-d

My initial, and underlying question remains however: When LGF brings these types of topics up, are we discussing whether the idea of Creation, and Biblical literalism are stupid, or are we discussing whether or not Religion should be taught in school?

You really are a piece of work.

When these topics come up, people will discuss whatever the hell they feel like discussing. If that sometimes veers into criticism of religion in general, that's the way it goes in open discussions. Religion is no more above criticism than any other belief system.

1029 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:33:56pm

re: #1024 Sharmuta

You don't have to prove it to me, and you are right it isn't my business. I was wrong with my memory of what you said.

AGAIN, I apologize.

1030 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:34:35pm

re: #1017 gmsc

Perhaps you're thinking of the first 10 of 600+ rules that God spoke to Moses?

Yes, that would be the list that is generally known as the 10 Commandments by the vast majority of people.

1031 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:34:54pm

re: #1017 gmsc

Perhaps you're thinking of the first 10 of 600+ rules that God spoke to Moses?

These are the commandments that I grew up with

And I dont know what you were trying to quote there but those werent the Ten Commandments.

1032 apachegunner  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:35:27pm

you go girl :>) re: #1024 Sharmuta

1033 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:35:36pm

re: #998 Walter L. Newton

Just for argument sake...

Take; You shall have no other gods before Me.

Let's step back at look at that in a larger context. It's written from a certain perspective, but let's drop that for the time being and look that the "other gods."

What do people make their "gods" today?
What are they willing to do for those "gods?"

I speak of "god" as the thing you would do anything for, money, power, whatever.

It's the "worship" of these gods that are the roots of what's wrong with so many things.

Even in a secular perspective, the idea of "have no other gods" can still be a valuable point. Have nothing which will cause you to justify the violation of the golden rule.

1034 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:35:37pm

re: #1018 Salamantis

Thank you for responding. Now I know where you are coming from, but that doesn't answer the general question of where others of, and on LGF are coming from.

(yet, I accept that they don't have to tell me)

1035 Hobbes  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:35:42pm

re: #1019 Naso Tang

This is a two edged issue. Someone who behaves well BECAUSE of religion is no doubt a benefit to others, just as is the atheists who does the same because of personal rationalized ethics.

The point is not the behavior, but the attempt to impose the reasons on others.

If one doesn't want to be criticized for believing in "The Flood" when any reasonable believer knows it is bunk to scientists, then it is their responsibility to keep their mouth shut, not the critics who would have said nothing had the former done the same.

If I follow you, I should feel more or less compelled to respond to your disagreement with me. Unfortunately, I don't feel that compulsion.

1036 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:36:47pm

re: #1017 gmsc

What you refer to there is a set of INTERIM LAWS laid down before the Israelites left Egypt. I checked on the passage and its a proviso for people fleeing from Egypt and nothing to do with the Ten Commandments.

1037 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:37:09pm

re: #1024 Sharmuta


Second- I have never said religion was crazy.

I will! :D

1038 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:37:43pm

re: #1025 WrathofG-d

My point was that it seems that his presumption was that only things that can be proovable have the ability to be (capitol T) True.

You are smart enough to see that.

Who, me? Um. I'm very loose on just what is True with a capital-T. If you mean that those are the sorts of things that cannot be proven, then, well, that's not what you said, is it? But I'd agree with it, if you did.

I'm much more about what is true with a lower-case t, in that it is true in a given context. Very pomo. All that makes me conservative, is some choice of context that the pomo reject.

1039 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:38:24pm

re: #1023 WrathofG-d

I will answer your question, speaking for myself only.

I am opposed to teaching creationism or ID in science class as it is not sciecne, it's religious ideology. More than that, it's religious ideology with a olitical agenda behind it.

For the record, I am a Christian, I believe in the Bible, but not in Biblical Literalism. The Bible contains truth, allegory, historical record and the most beautiful poetry ever written.

I do not "believe" in evolution, as it is not a belief system. Evolution is a scientific theory and I accept the scientific validity of it.

1040 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:38:35pm

re: #1031 Buster Bunny

These are the commandments that I grew up with

And I dont know what you were trying to quote there but those werent the Ten Commandments.

You never answered my question above. What version of the ten do you want to use? There is more than one in scripture?

1041 Haverwilde  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:38:58pm

re: #1013 WrathofG-d

Overall however, I simply advocate for clarity on what the true issue is to be discussed. Are we discussing whether the idea of Creation, and Biblical literalism are stupid, or are we discussing whether or not Religion should be taught in school.

As far as I'm concerned, the answers for each question is different.

My initial, and underlying question remains however: When LGF brings these types of topics up, are we discussing whether the idea of Creation, and Biblical literalism are stupid, or are we discussing whether or not Religion should be taught in school?

If you believe that there is a God, as I do, who in some manner created the universe, then studying anything can be construed as studying religion. The problem is the questions are usually are backwards. They should not be what God says about this life/world, but should more appropriately be phrased as what do your studies of this world tell you about the nature of God and his design.

1042 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:39:07pm

Magic Bus -

1043 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:39:26pm

re: #950 WrathofG-d

Do I believe there was a flood. not 100% but leaning towards yes.

Do I believe that the Ark is still on Mt. Ararat? Possibly. I don't know enough about it.

But I don't think either are really the point. If people are going to say that religion is dumb, then fine. But they should be honest about it. They also cannot act surprised when they do, and religious people get upset about it, as I would expect them to be upset if I insulted them. Again however, they should just be honest about it, and not hide behind other so-called purposes.

If the issue is that it shouldn't be taught in science classes, then that is one thing. If it is that religion is just plain stupid, that is another.

That is my only point on this subject.

Smart people can believe in dumb things. And it is dumb to believe that the book of Genesis is a literal history. Or else it is ignorant to believe so, but that condition is easily remedied, by checking the empirical evidence that things could not have literally transpired as the text reads. Once one is aware of that conclusive counterfactual evidence, and provided one has the prerequisite intelligence to grasp it, if one still persists in embracing Genesis Literalism, we are talking about a degree of dogmatic religious fanaticism approaching neurosis.

1044 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:39:50pm

re: #1039 Kenneth

What you said.

1045 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:40:20pm

re: #1042 FrogMarch

Magic Short Bus -

fixed.

1046 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:40:28pm

re: #950 WrathofG-d

The ark is on Mt. Ararat, Greenpeace put it there a few years back.

1047 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:40:52pm

re: #1040 Walter L. Newton

You never answered my question above. What version of the ten do you want to use? There is more than one in scripture?

I'm aware of only one. With alterations and slightly different contextual allusions there is STILL only one.

1048 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:40:53pm

re: #1031 Buster Bunny

These are the commandments that I grew up with

And I dont know what you were trying to quote there but those werent the Ten Commandments.

Sorry, I was just going by what the Bible said:

14For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

15Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

16And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

17Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

18The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

19All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

20But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

21Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

22And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

23Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel.

24For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.

25Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

27And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

That's OK. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking the first 10 things God spoke to Moses in Exodus 20 are the 10 commandments, even though there's no Bible passage that refers to them as such.

1049 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:41:14pm

re: #1033 JCM

I would have no problems with teaching the values that can be found in the decalogue, but posting the actual text of the scripture, I think that is too much.

1050 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:41:17pm

re: #1004 Walter L. Newton

And on another thought. Which version of the ten commandment do you want to use? There's more than one.

Personally, I don't think any of them should be taught in school. I think that religion should be kept out of school. I love science. I love reading about the old and new. I love reading about dark energy and string theory. I also have a deep faith in God. I don't see how the two conflict on any level. I have the deepest respect for others right to their own belief and conclusions and if they differ from mine it doesn't automaticaly make them stupid. New discoveries are found all the time. What we thought was scientific truth has changed many times through the centuries and will no doubt continue to do so as we continue to move ahead and I'm very excited to see what is yet to be discovered. No matter what your belief, I have respect for all people of goodwill and I am grateful for the liberty that allows me to do so.

1051 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:41:39pm

re: #1028 Charles

You really are a piece of work.

When these topics come up, people will discuss whatever the hell they feel like discussing. If that sometimes veers into criticism of religion in general, that's the way it goes in open discussions. Religion is no more above criticism than any other belief system.

Yes people will discuss what they want, & I never asked for "Religion [to be any] more above criticism than any other belief system." As I have always held, its your blog, run it as you wish.

I guess what I am trying to state at this point, is that there seems to be a large lack of clarity as to what your purpose is for having these threads as most other threads seem to be pretty clear and universally understood.

I, of course, respect your decision (as I expect it will be) not to answer that for me.

In addition, there seems to be a large amount of duplicitousness wherein people will claim that their point is only to state that religion should not be taught in science class, but really mean to advocate that Religion/Biblical literalism is stupid.

All are their "rights" or choice, but same is mine to ask for clarity I believe. If not, let me know.

1052 jaunte  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:41:44pm

I think the Discovery Institute folks would love to see the school science curriculum controversy broaden into a fight over whether religious belief is 'stupid' or not, and PZ Myers actually plays into their hands a bit when he offers a broad criticism as he did in the post linked above.

That said, it's his blog and he can say whatever he wants.

1053 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:41:56pm

God loves me. I live outside Austin, TX and it is sleeting. Coming down real heavy. Just called my boss to give her a heads up that if this continues the road out from my house will be closed.

1054 MacGregor  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:42:25pm

re: #1034 WrathofG-d

Thank you for responding. Now I know where you are coming from, but that doesn't answer the general question of where others of, and on LGF are coming from.

(yet, I accept that they don't have to tell me)

I believe catastrophies such as asteroid hits and resulting floods and firey rain were recounted in story in a way that verbalised thoughts, morals and science of the day. I also believe there is more in this universe than we can touch and see.

1055 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:43:48pm

re: #1040 Walter L. Newton

You never answered my question above. What version of the ten do you want to use? There is more than one in scripture?

Good point! Protestant? Hebrew? Catholic?

Also, why do you never see campaigns to get the Biblical punishments posted in the classroom?

1. Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

2. Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.

3. Exodus 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

4. Exodus 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

5. Exodus 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

6. Exodus 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

7. Leviticus 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.

8. Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.

9. Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.

10. Malachi 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.

1056 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:43:49pm

re: #1046 Thanos

Hey, global warming could solve that great mystery - melt the glaciers - prove the existence of the flood and Noah's Ark by uncovering the Ark if it is indeed buried there under the ice after all these millenia. /the irony is potentially delicious, if you believe that kind of thing.

1057 JHW  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:43:54pm

I am surprised at how many cultures, very, very widespread, have a flood story. I was aware of the Black Sea Deluge Theory, subject of an investigation by Bob Ballard and Nat'l Geographic Society. The number of cultures having a variation on this story surprises me a bit. Epic of Gilgamesh is fairly well known, but Australian aborigines, the Chinese, and many, many others have a form of a flood story.
Deluge Mythology, , dozens of cultures listed.
In North America, among many others the Iroquois had a form of this myth.

In a feeble attempt to cut the knot on this, I would suggest that the word "world" had a very different mental image to ancient man than we have. We know the dimensions of earth, and that it is a planet in an unimaginably large universe. To ancient man, "world "would have meant a mental image of only what he'd seen and what he'd heard about, not a clue about really how far it stretched, whether it was an endless flat region running to infinity or whether it was confined to only that that he knew or heard of. A cataclysmic flood in a localized region could have been the whole "world" to many of these ancient people if it extended to everything he knew or heard of.A flood destroying his "world" and committed to writing and his historical accounts would have been true and accurate to him.

1058 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:44:06pm

re: #1042 FrogMarch

Magic Bus -

LOL
We knew some kids in High school that had a Truck that they had a decal that said Magic Bus.. They got caught with Pot one night..There after somebody added a T to the decal for Magic Bust.. Man..that was funny! Dummies!

1059 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:45:24pm

Barry & Blago

Obama Advised Blagojevich On His Victorious Gubernatorial Run. “That year, [Obama] gained his first high-level experience in a statewide campaign when he advised the victorious gubernatorial candidate Rod Blagojevich, another politician with a funny name and a message of reform.” (Ryan Lizza, “Making It,” The New Yorker, 7/21/08)

Obama: “If the governor asks me to work on his behalf, I’ll be happy to do it.” (John Patterson, “Senator Says He’s Still Willing To Help Blagojevich Despite Hiring Concerns,” Chicago Daily Herald, 7/27/06)

Obama Endorsed Blagojevich For A Second Term. “Obama, who endorsed Blagojevich for a second term nearly 18 months ago, said he’s ready to help Illinois democrats in the upcoming elections.” (John Patterson, “Senator Says He’s Still Willing To Help Blagojevich Despite Hiring Concerns,” Chicago Daily Herald, 7/27/06)

Obama: “We’ve got a governor in Rod Blagojevich who has delivered consistently on behalf of the people of Illinois.” (Deanna Bellandi, “Illinois Democrats Talk Unity But Don’t Show It,” The Associated Press, 8/16/06)

I'm sure Blago was squeaky clean way back then, like 18 months ago.

1061 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:46:04pm

re: #1016 WrathofG-d

What you wish to discuss is (a) is the story true (b) is their evidence & (c) what could be a different explanation.

None of which have anything to do with my initial underlying inquiry about if the gripe of people on LGF, and LGF is about religion being taught in the classroom, or about Biblical literalism/Religion itself.

None of which has anything to do with my comment, which was limited to your "leaning" without explanation, when you know very well it contradicts evidence.

As to religion in the classroom, this has been debated countless times already, often under the umbrella of ID etc. If you are interested in my short response; it is simply that when you say "religion" you mean your version of a host of Christianities. If that could be taught in a uniform and inoffensive manner to everyone, then everyone would be members of the one and only universal church/mosque/synagog/temple/coven/whatever already. The reason there are different churches is that all the different words of god can be taught without interference from each other.

Trying to bring that into schools where what is known outside of faith is being taught is...crazy.

1062 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:46:04pm

re: #1023 WrathofG-d

Please do not put words in my mouth (or words out of my keyboard, or whatever)

I hadn't made that assumption, but insofar that individuals so adamantly refuse to answer it directly, I am beginning to wonder.

Well, if you are really looking to ferret out the biblical literalist from others, then I will make it easy for you. I do not take much in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures to be literal. History, science, anthropology, archeology and so on has proven this ad infinitum.

Now, is there anything of note in the Hebrew and Greek scripture. Of course there is. There is some history in there, there is some science in there, there is some anthropological correct data, there is a good amount of sites mentioned proven by archeology and so on.

Oh, and I've mentioned this before, but since it's always good to let everyone know where you sit before you tell them where you stand, I mention it agin for those new hatchlings, I'm an atheist.

1063 Irish Rose  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:46:04pm

re: #1024 Sharmuta

I attend Mass and am considering converting to Catholicism.

... Catholicism, not too bad.
Most of the good Irish Catholics that I hang with can drink me under the table ;).

The Belief-O-Matic has me pegged for an evil Protestant.

1064 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:46:36pm

re: #1023 WrathofG-d

Please do not put words in my mouth (or words out of my keyboard, or whatever)

I hadn't made that assumption, but insofar that individuals so adamantly refuse to answer it directly, I am beginning to wonder.

Hmmm. The thought was there, I think. Anyway - here's my answer - other's will no doubt be different. I don't want to see religion taught in science class. I also believe it's your right to believe what you want, and I think it is just an obvious and undeniable fact that scriptural literalism is stupid.

1065 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:47:02pm

re: #1045 Dark_Falcon

fixed.

Thanks. Although the short bus may need lengthening.

"Fire All These People [Criticizing Me and Calling for Impeachment], Get 'em the fuck out off there and get us some editorial support"


-Blagojevich

The future of our republic. Free speech for sale, pay to play, the politician is king. yikes.

1066 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:47:17pm

re: #1054 MacGregor

That also explains why certain kinds of catastrophes, like floods, can be found in religious and historical texts the world over. They provide teaching moments. Even if the flood or disaster they write of is localized - given the way the world was at that time, they could not understand that there was a much larger world around them. So, a flood (modern example could be Katrina or the SE Asian quake/tsunami) would result in similar destruction to large swaths of land, and those living there would write of the experience as though the world has come to an end. Today, we'd see it in context of a larger environment.

1067 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:47:18pm

re: #1049 Walter L. Newton

I would have no problems with teaching the values that can be found in the decalogue, but posting the actual text of the scripture, I think that is too much.

Comparative religion class. After critical thinking skills are established.

In the current climate, the problem of teaching "The Bible" is a road I'd rather not go down, it would open the door for anything and everything else.

My commission as a Christian is to convince people individually. Not collectively.

Once everyone agrees with me, then it's a different discussion. ;-)

1068 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:47:40pm

re: #1062 Walter L. Newton

Thank you very much for your response.

AND TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT ANSWERED.

1069 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:47:42pm

re: #1051 WrathofG-d

I guess what I am trying to state at this point, is that there seems to be a large lack of clarity as to what your purpose is for having these threads as most other threads seem to be pretty clear and universally understood.

It's pretty clear to me. Shows what utter dumbasses religious zealots are.

1070 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:48:00pm

I wasn't being flippant btw, Greenpeace did build an ark atop Mt. Ararat a few years back, you can find it in google earth.

1071 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:48:14pm
1072 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:48:19pm

re: #1035 Hobbes

If I follow you, I should feel more or less compelled to respond to your disagreement with me. Unfortunately, I don't feel that compulsion.

Good. Then we cannot have reason to disagree. I'll buy one beer, you buy the next.

1073 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:48:21pm

re: #1063 Irish Rose

Thanks, Rose.

1074 Hobbes  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:48:28pm

re: #1057 JHW

Hell, we had a great flood in our basement a while back. Got out the shop vac and took care of it. Lost some sleep but didn't come across any arks.

1075 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:48:30pm

re: #1058 HoosierHoops

LOL
We knew some kids in High school that had a Truck that they had a decal that said Magic Bus.. They got caught with Pot one night..There after somebody added a T to the decal for Magic Bust.. Man..that was funny! Dummies!

Pesky Kids.
(Well, this is the boob thread. )

1076 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:49:11pm

re: #1069 boogberg

If that is the purpose than I accept that. Then we should stop lying and stating that it is "to keep religion and I.D., out of the classroom".

1077 Hobbes  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:49:23pm

re: #1072 Naso Tang

Deal.

1078 jaunte  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:49:26pm

re: #1070 Thanos

it's the anti AGW ark:
[Link: www.greenpeace.org...]

1079 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:49:33pm

re: #1068 WrathofG-d

Thank you very much for your response.

AND TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT ANSWERED.

May God Bless you Wrath..and bring you Peace..

1080 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:49:50pm

Ok .. a handy insight into a 'miracle' ...

I was out there with pop (this was nearly 15 years ago) and we were interested in a property for sale. So we went .. and looked .. it was ok .. but we were unsure .. and there were up and coming expenses .. so .. we went to the auction.

As the auction started .. small bits of drizzle fell .. so we went under the cover of the steel roofed carport to hold the auction ...

From the moment the auctioneer started .. under a steel carport .. IT HAILED. Not small bits of pea sized stuff .. large chunks of ice. So the Auctioneer was going hammer and tong .. trying to elicit a bid. WE WERE 5 feet away from him and we couldnt hear a thing ! Hail on a steel roof will do that u know.
The auctioneer stopped, and almost simultaneously the hail stopped.
There were no realistic bids .. but my father also had turned white as a sheet and said he wasnt really interested anymore.

I asked him why on the way home and he wasnt 100% sure it was a sign from god .. but he couldnt be sure either.

Literally the hail started when the auctioneer began .. and finished when the auctioneer stopped.

Freaky Stuff to watch .. and it is one of these YOU HAD TO BE THERE moments for fully capitalising on the experience.

1081 jaunte  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:50:58pm

re: #1076 WrathofG-d

Who are you accusing in that "we?"

1082 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:51:03pm

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth Horatio, than are embraced by your philosophy"
-Hamlet

Myself, when I read (and not understand) the latest cosmology or physics stuff, I just shake my head and sing quietly, "What a wonderful world"...

1083 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:51:34pm
1084 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:51:44pm

re: #1055 gmsc

1. Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Oh cmon .. you know if one kid in the class is 'utterly destroyed' the other kids will learn to hand their homework in on time !

/sarc

1085 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:51:45pm

re: #1078 jaunte

it's the anti AGW ark:
[Link: www.greenpeace.org...]

good grief...what a bunch of irrelevant whackos...what would something like this awareness soire cost?...what a waste

1086 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:51:46pm

re: #1082 Van Helsing


Myself, when I read (and not understand) the latest cosmology or physics stuff, I just shake my head and sing quietly, "What a wonderful world"...

Yep! It is that...

1087 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:52:02pm

re: #1071 taxfreekiller

This Democrat Blogofitch No. 1 loon of all time.

78 pages of pure evil

SOP for politicians. Nothing surprising in that document.

1088 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:52:36pm

re: #1076 WrathofG-d

If that is the purpose than I accept that. Then we should stop lying and stating that it is "to keep religion and I.D., out of the classroom".

Do you want religious zealots (dumbasses) pushing their zealotry in public classrooms?

1089 Infidel_One  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:53:07pm

re: #1031 Buster Bunny

re: #1031 Buster Bunny

These are the commandments that I grew up with

And I dont know what you were trying to quote there but those werent the Ten Commandments.

Geez I am in trouble
I have broken 3, 4, 5, 8, 10...looks like I chose the right name

1090 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:53:13pm

re: #1081 jaunte

The "we" on LGF that state that it is only about keeping the I.D. freaks from telling us what to learn, and to keep religion out of school, but actually are bitter because they think religion is stupid.

1091 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:53:26pm

re: #1085 albusteve

good grief...what a bunch of irrelevant whackos...what would something like this awareness soire cost?...what a waste

If the Black Sea deluge theory holds any validity, which is questionable. The Ark is some where on the Black Sea coast.

1092 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:53:49pm

re: #1088 boogberg

no. I'm not specifically for teaching religion in school. But that isn't my point on this thread.

1093 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:53:53pm

re: #1083 Iron Fist

///Racist!

1094 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:53:54pm

re: #1051 WrathofG-d

I guess what I am trying to state at this point, is that there seems to be a large lack of clarity as to what your purpose is for having these threads as most other threads seem to be pretty clear and universally understood.

My purpose is simple. Creationism is a Dark Ages belief that damages people who believe in it, and damages the country when they try to force it on children. I can't stop creationists from abusing and handicapping their own children with this ignorant nonsense, but I can speak out against their efforts to force it into public school science classes.

I hope that's clear enough for you.

1095 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:54:28pm

re: #1080 Buster Bunny

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw once about, I think, Oral Roberts. He asked God for a sign, any sign, that he would reach his TV fund raising goal. Nextframe; he looks down and sees one of his shoe laces is untied. Thank You God, he cries.

1096 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:54:51pm

Was there a Flood? No.

Were there lots of floods? Of course.

1097 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:55:20pm

re: #1094 Charles

My purpose is simple. Creationism is a Dark Ages belief that damages people who believe in it, and damages the country when they try to force it on children. I can't stop creationists from abusing and handicapping their own children with this ignorant nonsense, but I can speak out against their efforts to force it into public school science classes.

I hope that's clear enough for you.

Yes. Thank you.

1098 jaunte  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:55:27pm

re: #1090 WrathofG-d

...but actually are bitter because they think...

Because these things are impossible to know, we just have to go by what people actually say.

1099 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:55:32pm

re: #1091 JCM

If the Black Sea deluge theory holds any validity, which is questionable. The Ark is some where on the Black Sea coast.

whatever...I'm sure there is a pile of old timbers somewhere on the Black Sea Coast...it's just a creepy obsession

1100 Irish Rose  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:55:36pm

re: #1088 boogberg

Do you want religious zealots (dumbasses) pushing their zealotry in public classrooms?

You're being needlessly inflammatory, my opinion.

1101 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:55:40pm

re: #1094 Charles

Dark clouds are circling at the moment Charles .. whether its the US .. or Romania or the place with the shiny black rock which will remaiin un-named.

We need ya Charles.

1102 Haverwilde  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:56:31pm

re: #1090 WrathofG-d

The "we" on LGF that state that it is only about keeping the I.D. freaks from telling us what to learn, and to keep religion out of school, but actually are bitter because they think religion is stupid.


What the ..., religious stupidity is definitely stupid. But religion is a part of life for many of us. Where is your head!

1103 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:56:33pm
1104 Joan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:56:37pm

re: #971 Irish Rose

I smell a rat.

/how dare they under the guise of being "watchers" or whatever insert such a mean, petty and insulting nomination into contention

//slow burn

1105 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:57:06pm

re: #1102 Haverwilde

I imagine most on this thread would say up my butt.

:)

1106 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:57:07pm

My 3 year old son is playing with Noah's Ark right now.

1107 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:57:52pm

re: #1077 Hobbes

Deal.

I'm going to get one now. The one you bought. You do the same with the one in your fridge that I bought.

Cheers

1108 outsidephilly  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 5:58:08pm

re: #1062 Walter L. Newton

Oh, and I've mentioned this before, but since it's always good to let everyone know where you sit before you tell them where you stand, I mention it agin for those new hatchlings, I'm an atheist.

Walter, I'm a Christian . . . , we'll still chat once in awhile, won't we?

1109 albusteve  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:00:15pm

re: #1098 jaunte

Because these things are impossible to know, we just have to go by what people actually say.

agreed...whats the point in trying to deduce what someone's next line of logic would be after an initial point of view...thats just splitting hairs too fine...go watch some football and burn one for cryin out loud...not everyone is interested in another persons excercise in intellectual deduction...seems a little odd to me to be all caught up with it...

1110 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:01:00pm

re: #1064 Jimmah

Hmmm. The thought was there, I think. Anyway - here's my answer - other's will no doubt be different. I don't want to see religion taught in science class. I also believe it's your right to believe what you want, and I think it is just an obvious and undeniable fact that scriptural literalism is stupid.

Yep. This is America, and people are free to believe provably false things here. What they are NOT free to do is to legally mandate that other people's kids must be taught these provably false things as fact in public high school science classes.

1111 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:01:20pm

re: #1106 Kenneth

My 3 year old son is playing with Noah's Ark right now.

Quick .. take it away from him ! doesnt he know that biblical matters can corrupt a childs mind? Does he know that the animals actually MATED on the Ark? Will playing with animals at an early age mean he will want to be a vegetarian when growing up? Does making an ark destroy the environment through improper use of flood waters? Does he know that there were no homosexual relations between animals on the Ark?

/ PC behaviour gone mad.

1112 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:01:21pm

re: #1108 outsidephilly

Oh, and I've mentioned this before, but since it's always good to let everyone know where you sit before you tell them where you stand, I mention it agin for those new hatchlings, I'm an atheist.

Walter, I'm a Christian . . . , we'll still chat once in awhile, won't we?

Ah, yes, why would you even ask? I don't think any different of anyone who has a faith, any faith. I think different if a person, because of their faith, wants to hurt me or take away a human right that I have. Other than that, I don't even see any problems.

1113 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:02:00pm

re: #1103 Iron Fist

Do you have a problem with anti-religious bigots pushing their zealotry in the classroom?

How can you be a bigot for calling out nonsense?

1114 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:02:57pm

re: #1113 boogberg

so says the individual limited by his 5 senses.

1115 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:03:18pm

ok i'm out.
Thanks for the discussion most of you.

1116 ornery elephant  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:03:24pm

re: #1105 WrathofG-d

I imagine most on this thread would say up my butt.

:)

but not all, Wrath

: )

1117 Shay4l  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:04:14pm

I am not a practicing Christian, but what happened when the last Ice Age ended and all those mile-deep ice sheets melted?

1118 stuiec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:05:15pm

re: #954 Charles

The story of Noah's Ark is just that -- a story. It's not a documentary. The Great Flood did not really happen. Sorry if you think that makes me an asshole too, but if you're going to argue that it really happened, it's up to you to prove it. Because there is absolutely no evidence in this world for it.

The story of Noah's Ark is a story. But there have been a number of cataclysmic floods during human history -- most recently the result of the end of the last Ice Age.

12,000 years ago, a series of floods occurred in the Pacific Northwest when a glacial ice dam formed at the mouth of the Missoula Valley in Montana, forming a lake about half the volume of modern Lake Michigan. The lake filled with glacial meltwater from the Cordillera ice sheet to the north until the water floated the ice dam -- then the lake drained in the space of 48 hours, sending a wall of water across Idaho, Washington and Oregon.

Over a 2,000 year period, glacial Lake Missoula filled and emptied in a 50-year cycle about 40 times. The resulting geological formations range from the palouse soils of Washington to the great Columbia River gorge and its 1,000-foot cliffs. The flood even carried icebergs to central Oregon, which melted and deposited boulders carried from Montana.

Around the same time, the glacial melt caused sea levels to rise worldwide. At around 9,500 years ago, the Mediterranean was some 20 meters lower than today. Its level rose drastically over a couple of millennia -- not anything like Noah's flood, but enough to innundate coastal communities ("lost continents," anyone?).

As the Mediterranean seal level rose, a flood also occurred 9,000 to 7,000 years ago in the Black Sea, as documented by Robert Ballard and others. There's debate over whether the flood was gradual or cataclysmic, but it raised the water level 500 feet in a very short time.

There was also a tsunami in the Mediterranean caused by the collapse of part of Mt. Etna. That caused catastrophic waves all around the Mediterranean coasts of Africa, Europe and Asia Minor.

So there are plenty of actual physical antecedents for the flood mythologies of the Near East and Mediterranean. Ironically, the flood events that were the most sudden and devastating, such as the Lake Missoula floods, were also so deadly that they likely wiped out the best witnesses, and thus didn't enter into oral tradition. (Maybe I am wrong about that -- maybe there are flood myths of the Pacific Northwest that I don't know about. There are surviving myths about the formation of Crater Lake in a volcanic event 7,000 years ago.)

1119 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:05:21pm

re: #971 Irish Rose

Nominations have opened for the 2008 Jihad Watch Watch Awards.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Guess whos' being nominated (repeatedly) for American Dhimmi of the Year 2008?

/un freaking believable

Robert has allied himself with haters. And they're polluting his blog -- the blog I talked him into, and created for him, and then promoted -- with their juvenile, hateful crap. And he's apparently fine with that.

The reason? I smell money.

1120 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:05:39pm

re: #1106 Kenneth

My 3 year old son is playing with Noah's Ark right now.

Buy him the 10 Plagues of Egypt set. This is the most awesome and fun biblical toy ever!

A spooky eyed drop of blood
A Frog for frogs—of course
A Giant Lice for lice.
Cow for cattle disease
Black Locust for locusts
A white satin lump of hail
A black cube of darkness with googly eyes
An icky boil on a piece of flesh!
A snarling lion's head for wild beasts
and last of all a very sad head - for death of the first born.

The frog, lice, cow and locust wriggle and roll their eyes, quiver, buzz and move when you pull their string and are apx 4.5" long.

1121 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:05:45pm
1122 outsidephilly  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:05:49pm

re: #1112 Walter L. Newton

Ah, yes, why would you even ask? I don't think any different of anyone who has a faith, any faith. I think different if a person, because of their faith, wants to hurt me or take away a human right that I have. Other than that, I don't even see any problems.

I only asked in a friendly sort of way . . . , thanks for your reply.

1123 ornery elephant  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:06:07pm

Anyway, does anyone know if the gentleman at the microphone today announcing the Illinois Governor's arrest, is it Fitzpatrick?...is he in an appointed position? In other words, can he, Fitzpatrick, be relieved of his duties by Obama come January?

1124 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:06:46pm

re: #1120 Alouette

Buy him the 10 Plagues of Egypt set. This is the most awesome and fun biblical toy ever!

A spooky googly eyed drop of blood
A Frog for frogs—of course
A Giant Lice for lice.
Cow for cattle disease
Black Locust for locusts
A white satin lump of hail
A black cube of darkness with googly eyes
An icky boil on a piece of flesh!
A snarling lion's head for wild beasts
and last of all a very sad head - for death of the first born.

The frog, lice, cow and locust wriggle and roll their eyes, quiver, buzz and move when you pull their string and are apx 4.5" long.

1125 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:07:10pm

re: #1105 WrathofG-d

I imagine most on this thread would say up my butt.

:)

You are a man of good spirit...
But..Never put a religious book as anything to do with science ever..
I've sent 5 kids though the school system.. Mom and Dad will cover the Religion stuff at home..morals..code..Love...Sex..everything..
But you damn well be teaching my kids pure science and math to make it in the world today... If I wanted my kids science classes to be 12th Century.. I would have signed up for that..

1126 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:07:11pm

re: #1114 WrathofG-d

so says the individual limited by his 5 senses.

That's a strawman Wrath. Guess what, whether you like it or not, or want to admit it or not, we have 5 senses. That's all. You can make believe all you want that we can't "know the mind of god," but that doesn't fly.

What if I said to you, well Wrath, I can read your mind, but you can't read mine, because you are limited to 5 senses.

An anti-religious person CAN prove things about religion as being myth, you cannot deny that. You yourself can prove passages in scripture as being TOTALLY wrong. You also know that.

1127 JCM  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:07:41pm

re: #1117 Shay4l

I am not a practicing Christian, but what happened when the last Ice Age ended and all those mile-deep ice sheets melted?

Algore and Congress passed laws banning SUVs, carbon and other pollutants saving the Woolly Mammoth and the Saber Tooth tiger...

/ oh wait I'm getting my global warmings mixed up.

1128 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:07:43pm

re: #1121 Iron Fist

You prove my point.

How?

1129 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:07:50pm
1130 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:07:50pm

re: #1090 WrathofG-d

The "we" on LGF that state that it is only about keeping the I.D. freaks from telling us what to learn, and to keep religion out of school, but actually are bitter because they think religion is stupid.

Actually, I think that they are alarmed, because they see the ID freaks continuing to strive to push their dogmatic crapola into public high school science classes nationwide. Louisiana and Texas are just the latest examples in a long line.

1131 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:07:58pm

re: #1123 ornery elephant

Anyway, does anyone know if the gentleman at the microphone today announcing the Illinois Governor's arrest, is it Fitzpatrick?...is he in an appointed position? In other words, can he, Fitzpatrick, be relieved of his duties by Obama come January?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1132 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:10:07pm

re: #1117 Shay4l

I am not a practicing Christian, but what happened when the last Ice Age ended and all those mile-deep ice sheets melted?

Well, which one? There has been evidence of many ice ages and then ice melts.

No ice age melt has every resulted in covering the earth with water. The ice itself never cover all the planet. Ocean have risen, but there is no evidence of a worldwide flood.

1133 Truck Monkey  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:10:31pm

re: #1123 ornery elephant

Anyway, does anyone know if the gentleman at the microphone today announcing the Illinois Governor's arrest, is it Fitzpatrick?...is he in an appointed position? In other words, can he, Fitzpatrick, be relieved of his duties by Obama come January?

He is a US Attorney and he can be replaced by the President at any time and for any reason.

1134 Shay4l  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:10:34pm

re: #1129 buzzsawmonkey

That's what I'm sayin'. Oral histories have been passe ddown and entered into myth, bu tI believe there was a great flood experienced by a common ancestor. I'm not sayin' his name was Noah.

1135 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:10:37pm
1136 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:10:39pm

re: #981 Naso Tang

You are not new here. Do not attempt to adjust the volume... It's strange that you don't realize that this sentence requires more explanation than your "leaning".

It's this 'leaning' schtuff that has me worried. So...Naso..which way we leanin'?

1137 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:10:45pm

Speaking of the floods, has anybody else ever seen Exodus Decoded?

The author claims to be able to date the events in Exodus by recent discovery of geographic records of an ancient "expulsion". The effects it would've had are remarkably similar to those described as the plagues in the Bible.

1138 Buster Bunny  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:11:03pm

re: #1125 HoosierHoops

You are a man of good spirit...
But..Never put a religious book as anything to do with science ever..
I've sent 5 kids though the school system.. Mom and Dad will cover the Religion stuff at home..morals..code..Love...Sex..everything..
But you damn well be teaching my kids pure science and math to make it in the world today... If I wanted my kids science classes to be 12th Century.. I would have signed up for that..

Absolutely !

Science as it is .. as it is now taught .. is a tenable furtherment of human understanding, and it leads to enrichment of environment and health and circumstance. We have really come too far to go back to 12th century nonsense. Also we have too many people living too well that if we were to go back to a 12th century mentality, millions who cannot survive without what a modern society brings (how many apartment blocks you know have gardens?) would starve outright.

We have too much to lose.

1139 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:11:12pm
1140 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:12:17pm

re: #1118 stuiec

12,000 years ago, a series of floods occurred in the Pacific Northwest when a glacial ice dam formed at the mouth of the Missoula Valley in Montana, forming a lake about half the volume of modern Lake Michigan. The lake filled with glacial meltwater from the Cordillera ice sheet to the north until the water floated the ice dam -- then the lake drained in the space of 48 hours, sending a wall of water across Idaho, Washington and Oregon.

Over a 2,000 year period, glacial Lake Missoula filled and emptied in a 50-year cycle about 40 times. The resulting geological formations range from the palouse soils of Washington to the great Columbia River gorge and its 1,000-foot cliffs. The flood even carried icebergs to central Oregon, which melted and deposited boulders carried from Montana.

Around the same time, the glacial melt caused sea levels to rise worldwide. At around 9,500 years ago, the Mediterranean was some 20 meters lower than today. Its level rose drastically over a couple of millennia -- not anything like Noah's flood, but enough to innundate coastal communities ("lost continents," anyone?).

Strange that this wasn't mentioned in those gold tablets that Joseph Smith found.

1141 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:12:38pm

re: #1117 Shay4l

I am not a practicing Christian, but what happened when the last Ice Age ended and all those mile-deep ice sheets melted?

If every snowbank, glacier and ice cap on this planet melted, it would not raise the sea level more than a few hundred feet, if that much - and a LOT of the land is at elevations of thousands of feet.

1142 Shay4l  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:12:55pm

re: #1132 Walter L. Newton

Well, which one? There has been evidence of many ice ages and then ice melts.

No ice age melt has every resulted in covering the earth with water. The ice itself never cover all the planet. Ocean have risen, but there is no evidence of a worldwide flood.

Which one? Easy! Only the most recent one, since most everything previous to 100,000 yEARS AGO would have been destroyed.

1143 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:12:59pm

re: #1137 gmsc

Speaking of the floods, has anybody else ever seen Exodus Decoded?

The author claims to be able to date the events in Exodus by recent discovery of geographic records of an ancient "expulsion". The effects it would've had are remarkably similar to those described as the plagues in the Bible.

If this video is on Equidistant Letter Sequence , then that has all been exposed as bunk. Look up ELS.

1144 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:13:23pm

re: #1100 Irish Rose

You're being needlessly inflammatory, my opinion.

Sorry, just calling it as I see it.

1145 Irish Rose  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:14:15pm

re: #1119 Charles

Robert has allied himself with haters. And they're polluting his blog -- the blog I talked him into, and created for him, and then promoted -- with their juvenile, hateful crap. And he's apparently fine with that.

The reason? I smell money.

Me too.
I'm so sorry that you have to put up with this kind of idiocy, Charles. If Spencer were any kind of decent man, he would put a stop to it.

1146 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:14:20pm

re: #1136 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

It's this 'leaning' schtuff that has me worried. So...Naso..which way we leanin'?

You lost me there. I thought what I said was self evident, but I'll be happy to continue if you help.

1147 stuiec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:14:22pm

re: #1140 Naso Tang

Strange that this wasn't mentioned in those gold tablets that Joseph Smith found.

Well, didn't he find those in Illinois? That was quite a ways east of Montana, Idaho and Washington...

1148 JHW  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:14:26pm

Also those Ice Age glaciers probably took a fairly long time to melt, perhaps over many centuries.

1149 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:14:30pm

re: #1143 Walter L. Newton

If this video is on Equidistant Letter Sequence , then that has all been exposed as bunk. Look up ELS.

No, it's not an ELS or Bible Code type bunk.

Here's the Wikipedia description of it: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1150 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:14:44pm

re: #1110 Salamantis

Yep. This is America, and people are free to believe provably false things here. What they are NOT free to do is to legally mandate that other people's kids must be taught these provably false things as fact in public high school science classes.

I agree, I also think that some people are confusing the idea that one should respect another's right to believe whatever they want, with the idea that one must respect the content of another's belief. That error of logic seems to be a feature of many recent religious complaints we've seen here.

1151 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:14:57pm

re: #1129 buzzsawmonkey

I'm by no means arguing Biblical literalism or inerrancy here; merely saying that it is a mistake to dismiss the Flood story as a pure fabrication.

Pure fabrication? Maybe not. There is evidence of large "inundations," true. But the Great Flood, as described in the Bible, is very clearly a story told from the very limited viewpoint of the people alive at the time, when there was no Google Earth, no GPS satellites, but plenty of superstition. There was no "Great Flood" that covered the whole world, and there was no "Noah's Ark" in reality. These are allegories that teach moral lessons, not descriptions of actual events.

1152 Shay4l  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:15:01pm

re: #1141 Salamantis

If every snowbank, glacier and ice cap on this planet melted, it would not raise the sea level more than a few hundred feet, if that much - and a LOT of the land is at elevations of thousands of feet.

You are misunderstanding my statement, like Newton. I'm not saying there was some great civilization prior, I'm saying that the story of a flood would be passed down and told to other civilizations, and enter myth.

1153 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:15:14pm

re: #1118 stuiec

The story of Noah's Ark is a story. But there have been a number of cataclysmic floods during human history -- most recently the result of the end of the last Ice Age.

12,000 years ago, a series of floods occurred in the Pacific Northwest when a glacial ice dam formed at the mouth of the Missoula Valley in Montana, forming a lake about half the volume of modern Lake Michigan. The lake filled with glacial meltwater from the Cordillera ice sheet to the north until the water floated the ice dam -- then the lake drained in the space of 48 hours, sending a wall of water across Idaho, Washington and Oregon.

Over a 2,000 year period, glacial Lake Missoula filled and emptied in a 50-year cycle about 40 times. The resulting geological formations range from the palouse soils of Washington to the great Columbia River gorge and its 1,000-foot cliffs. The flood even carried icebergs to central Oregon, which melted and deposited boulders carried from Montana.

Around the same time, the glacial melt caused sea levels to rise worldwide. At around 9,500 years ago, the Mediterranean was some 20 meters lower than today. Its level rose drastically over a couple of millennia -- not anything like Noah's flood, but enough to innundate coastal communities ("lost continents," anyone?).

As the Mediterranean seal level rose, a flood also occurred 9,000 to 7,000 years ago in the Black Sea, as documented by Robert Ballard and others. There's debate over whether the flood was gradual or cataclysmic, but it raised the water level 500 feet in a very short time.

There was also a tsunami in the Mediterranean caused by the collapse of part of Mt. Etna. That caused catastrophic waves all around the Mediterranean coasts of Africa, Europe and Asia Minor.

So there are plenty of actual physical antecedents for the flood mythologies of the Near East and Mediterranean. Ironically, the flood events that were the most sudden and devastating, such as the Lake Missoula floods, were also so deadly that they likely wiped out the best witnesses, and thus didn't enter into oral tradition. (Maybe I am wrong about that -- maybe there are flood myths of the Pacific Northwest that I don't know about. There are surviving myths about the formation of Crater Lake in a volcanic event 7,000 years ago.)

Umm...that ice dam could only cause a glacial lake to form if all the other exit points for the water were blocked by higher land...

1154 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:16:54pm

re: #1147 stuiec

Well, didn't he find those in Illinois? That was quite a ways east of Montana, Idaho and Washington...

Of course, they would not have been found had they been washed away by the flood.

1155 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:17:28pm

re: #1152 Shay4l

You are misunderstanding my statement, like Newton. I'm not saying there was some great civilization prior, I'm saying that the story of a flood would be passed down and told to other civilizations, and enter myth.

I suspect that I did misunderstand you statement. But also consider since someone else misunderstood, you may want to make your statements clearer.

1156 gmsc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:18:19pm

re: #1143 Walter L. Newton

If this video is on Equidistant Letter Sequence , then that has all been exposed as bunk. Look up ELS.

I should mention that, while it's not ELS or other stuff like that, there's plenty of circular logic in the special. "Here's proof it could have happened, therefore, it happened!"

It is fascinating to watch, however. But then again, so are car accidents.

1157 Shay4l  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:18:27pm

Sorry, not getting drawn any further into a BS argument. Myths are garbled stories, allegories or fables. Later.

1158 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:18:46pm

re: #1147 stuiec

Well, didn't he find those in Illinois? That was quite a ways east of Montana, Idaho and Washington...

He found them in upstate New York, Palmyra

1159 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:19:57pm

re: #1156 gmsc

I should mention that, while it's not ELS or other stuff like that, there's plenty of circular logic in the special. "Here's proof it could have happened, therefore, it happened!"

It is fascinating to watch, however. But then again, so are car accidents.

So many of those history channel episodes are so much pseudo-science (or just plain bad science). But you are right, it's sometimes fun to watch.

1160 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:20:14pm

Took the Belief-o-matic. Yeah, I am the religion I profess to be, although it was a little hard to fit myself into pre-written sentences. Do I believe in strictly proscribed roles for men and women? Well, when we're talking about mowing the lawn and buying flowers, yeah. (This is a test, this is only a test of the emergency sense of humor system.) But I was raised to use power tools by my power-tool using mother, and if a man wants to cook, good for him.

I don't believe religion should be taught in schools because religions are so different that there's no way to teach all of them correctly and we'd end up with a watered-down mush. I do believe we should respect religion in schools, and kids should be allowed to speak up in class without being mocked or shut up. Unless they are abusive or disruptive, of course, then they can shut up be quiet while they sit in the corner.

As a last note, the literalists are dealing with a translation of a translation of a manuscript handed down and re-copied for a long time, and stored by people who might not have understood archival practices. I'm not saying I don't believe the Bible, I'm saying that you have to leave room for that.

1161 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:22:02pm
1162 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:23:11pm

re: #1135 Iron Fist

That you are an anti-religious bigot and you don't have a problem with that being taught in public schools. This is one reason people of faith are pushing to have their beliefs included. Because the State is teaching a religious point of view. It's just that it is against religion.

For high school science classes to refuse to endorse religious dogmas is not even remotely close to being the same thing as if they were actively endorsing atheism - which they aren't. And if you contend that they are, please provide lionks to concrete examples demonstrating your assertion that there is some kind of widespread teaching-atheism-in-high-school-science-class trend.

1163 Joan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:23:54pm

re: #971 Irish Rose

Okay, looked over the site a little and the penny dropped; now I get it. Charles made a firm, principled stand against euro-fascists, they don't like it and are insulting him. Small of them.

By the way: I'm going to look for and post this Olberman Wormtongue calling the Mumbai killers "freedom fighters." Odious Olberman loves to feel superior. We need to find a way to make such people pay a price in scorn and ostracism for vile remarks like that. Here's the thing: we can't afford them. To make them pay a price, we need allies on the other side if there are any principled liberals? Any principled or even survival-minded Democrats?

We can't afford this shit anymore. We can't just wait for an assault that kills thousands of civilians here, another so-called "wake up call." What can we do to begin sanctioning cretins like this?

1164 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:25:32pm

re: #1154 Naso Tang

Of course, they would not have been found had they been washed away by the flood.

Newton's right. He found them in Palmyra, New York.

The dates for the Book of Mormon range from 600 BC -400 AD for the main section, and then there's one book that ranges earlier, but not really earlier than about 2000 BC.

Totally out of range of the floods. Sorry. And at the rate this thread is going, you may already have your answers already.

1165 stuiec  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:26:12pm

re: #1153 Salamantis

Umm...that ice dam could only cause a glacial lake to form if all the other exit points for the water were blocked by higher land...

Yes. The Missoula Valley is high land all around except for the western exit.

The Cordillera Ice Sheet migrated slowly southward, and glaciers extended from the front of the sheet. One blocked the mouth of the Missoula Valley and water accumulated behind it to a depth of 2,000 feet.

And when it reached the depth of the glacial dam, the dam floated and broke. All that water ran out to the west and south, carving out the Columbia River Gorge, washing out the Grand Coulee, grinding rock into the silt that became the palouse soils of Eastern Washington.

This cycle repeated at about 50 year intervals over a couple of millennia.

Harlan Bretz was the first geologist to realize that this cataclysmic flooding had occurred, from seeing the area by airplane. He was almost made an outcast from his profession for daring to deny that all geological changes happen gradually. But before he died, his work was confirmed and accepted as the correct explanation for the geology of the Columbia River basin.

Does this puzzle or trouble you?

1166 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:27:19pm

re: #1139 buzzsawmonkey

The greatest "Genesis literalists" I have ever met were dogmatic atheists, who clung (bitterly, I might add) to their literalism in order to bolster their non-belief.

Many, if not most, religious people are much more sophisticated than that.

You must not have dropped in on [Link: www.answersingenesis.org...] or [Link: creationontheweb.com...] lately...

1167 lookingup  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:27:35pm

re: #1129 buzzsawmonkey

Worldwide flood, over the entire Earth? You're right--no evidence. Yet, you've got 3--count 'em, 3--flood stories from the Eastern Mediterranean that I know of; Gilgamesh (Babylonian), Noah (Biblical), and Deucalion (Greek). Whether there are others in that region, I do not know; nor do I know if there are other similar tales in cultures farther afield. But we've got those three.

So, what to make of them? Are they all from a--pardon the expression--"common ancestor," i.e., one original story, back in the mists of time, or did they arise independently in different cultures from the same incident?


More than a Poet heh buzz, I like your logic.


We may never know. However, there have been some interesting archaeological finds regarding inundations; I recall reading, some years ago, of an archaeological find on the shores of the Black Sea, which seemed to indicate that a sudden inundation, possibly caused by a breakthrough in a land barrier between it and the Mediterranean, occurred some 10,000 years ago, wiping out a large number of settlements. Source of all three flood stories--or maybe some of them? Perhaps.

I'm by no means arguing Biblical literalism or inerrancy here; merely saying that it is a mistake to dismiss the Flood story as a pure fabrication. Just as increased genetic, biological, and paleontological knowledge bolsters the evolutionary record, increased archaeological knowledge bolsters the realization that there are factual roots to Biblical accounts, can we but find them.

Do these factual roots actually diminish the Biblical accounts? Is the Bible somehow reduced in status if we find that King David presided over a relatively humble city-state rather than a mighty empire? Some people might argue so, but these are merely anti-Biblical literalists--mirror-images of pro-Biblical literalists, and as limited. For the essence of the Bible stories is not their literal, provable, factual truth--nifty though this is to discover--any more than it matters that George Washington never chopped down a cherry tree, and probably never threw a dollar across the Rappahannock. If they are "myths," or --to use an unkind word--"lies," they are true "lies", in that they describe human behavior, and provide a means for understanding it, as certainly today as they did thousands of years ago. More, the Biblical stories center around a G-d different from the gods of other cultures; a G-d of justice and mercy, in Whose devotion the European culture created (with many a side-step and lapse along the way) a much better world than would have otherwise existed.

With this in mind, I have no problem saying that the Flood story is "true"--without in any way arguing that the Earth was at one time wholly covered in water any time since several hundred million years before the dinosaurs. Because the story of Noah is more important than whether he, or his flood, actually can be proven to have existed.

1168 notutopia  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:28:18pm

re: #695 gregg
gregg, if the procedure is invasive, ie colonoscopy, then you SHOULD have someone with you for at least a few hours after, d/t the usual versed IV and then you'll be okay by yourself through the night alone. The clinic/out patient facility have to hold you for a brief recovery until your vital signs are stable. You definitely DO NOT want to be driving d/t the anesthestic. It is standard drug protocol for IV medication administration of a chemical anesthetic to keep you for no less than ONE hour after the administration. I have had patients who have had no available friend or relative post op, and the facility allowed them to be transported home via taxi. Hope this helps.

1169 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:30:23pm
1170 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:31:42pm

re: #1164 EmmmieG

Newton's right. He found them in Palmyra, New York.

The dates for the Book of Mormon range from 600 BC -400 AD for the main section, and then there's one book that ranges earlier, but not really earlier than about 2000 BC.

Totally out of range of the floods. Sorry. And at the rate this thread is going, you may already have your answers already.

Well, let's take this one step further. The books are a scam, never existed, so they could not have dated to any time. You know that, right?

1171 Boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:33:26pm

re: #1135 Iron Fist

That you are an anti-religious bigot and you don't have a problem with that being taught in public schools. This is one reason people of faith are pushing to have their beliefs included. Because the State is teaching a religious point of view. It's just that it is against religion.

I fail to see how my thinking religion is nonsense makes me a bigot. Is religion a race? Is it an ethnicity?

1172 JHW  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:33:34pm

re: #1165 stuiec

I found this on the Spokane Flood. Was this one of the interval floods you mentioned or was it part of the greater, Missoula flood?

1173 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:33:48pm

re: #1165 stuiec

Yes. The Missoula Valley is high land all around except for the western exit.

The Cordillera Ice Sheet migrated slowly southward, and glaciers extended from the front of the sheet. One blocked the mouth of the Missoula Valley and water accumulated behind it to a depth of 2,000 feet.

And when it reached the depth of the glacial dam, the dam floated and broke. All that water ran out to the west and south, carving out the Columbia River Gorge, washing out the Grand Coulee, grinding rock into the silt that became the palouse soils of Eastern Washington.

This cycle repeated at about 50 year intervals over a couple of millennia.

Harlan Bretz was the first geologist to realize that this cataclysmic flooding had occurred, from seeing the area by airplane. He was almost made an outcast from his profession for daring to deny that all geological changes happen gradually. But before he died, his work was confirmed and accepted as the correct explanation for the geology of the Columbia River basin.

Does this puzzle or trouble you?

Nope. Scientists may harbor personal beliefs or agendas, but science itself is eventually self-correcting. And it eventually self-corrected in this case.

1174 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:37:37pm

re: #1164 EmmmieG

The dates for the Book of Mormon range from 600 BC -400 AD for the main section, and then there's one book that ranges earlier

And that's been determined how?

1175 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:37:59pm

re: #1170 Walter L. Newton

Well, let's take this one step further. The books are a scam, never existed, so they could not have dated to any time. You know that, right?

I am giving you the time the books are purported to be from. You can hardly insist that the the Book of Mormon should have been affected by a flood that even Mormons think happened way before it was written.

And no, I don't agree it was a scam. Why do you think I could come back with the dates so fast?

Yes, I have taken my faith out into the light, shaken it to see if anything fell out, held it up to take a better look, and dared to ask if it is true. I'm pretty sure I have been hit by just about every anti-Mormon everything there is, and I'm still good.

1176 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:40:47pm

re: #1169 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, you can find religious people who are as unhinged

Hmmm. Those people have a habit of dropping in here on a regular basis- not really a matter of having to try to look for them.

1177 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:46:30pm
1178 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:48:29pm

re: #1177 buzzsawmonkey

Funhouse-mirror images, as I said. And for my money, you're part of the funhouse.

Nice, unprovoked personal attack there buzzsaw. Is that you losing your temper again?

1179 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:49:33pm
1180 Haverwilde  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:51:50pm

re: #1129 buzzsawmonkey

I recall reading, some years ago, of an archaeological find on the shores of the Black Sea, which seemed to indicate that a sudden inundation, possibly caused by a breakthrough in a land barrier between it and the Mediterranean, occurred some 10,000 years ago, wiping out a large number of settlements. Source of all three flood stories--or maybe some of them? Perhaps.
blockquote>
The book "Noah's Flood" by Ryan and Pitman cover this possibility pretty well. Because it is in the region, it fits as a possible source for the Babylonian legend which is, I believe, the primary source for the Noah Story.

1181 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:53:25pm

re: #1169 buzzsawmonkey

Bible-literalist atheists

Not sure what you mean by that.

I'm an atheist, and I tend to criticize biblical literalists. They do exist, it's not something we made up. I know several. I don't hate them, despise them, or what have you, but I think they're profoundly wrong (demonstrably so) on that particular point.

1182 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 6:59:16pm
1183 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:00:10pm

re: #1179 buzzsawmonkey

Losing my temper? No. Merely stating an evident fact.

Yes you're perfectly calm I'm sure.

Sorry, but when people make a sudden personal attack like that I infer a certain degree of seething in play.

1184 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:04:27pm

re: #1182 buzzsawmonkey

encountered any number of atheists who are just as committed to the "literal truth" of the Flood story

What do you mean by "as committed"?

1185 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:05:22pm
1186 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:08:37pm
1187 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:10:58pm

re: #1185 buzzsawmonkey

Oh sure, because being described as part of a funhouse, which connects me also to previous insults like 'unhinged' is in no way insulting per se. Now you're being disingenuous as well as well as insulting. Nice!

1188 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:12:05pm
1189 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:16:17pm

re: #1186 buzzsawmonkey

I would think that was obvious. The Bible-literalist atheist is just as bound to the non-allegorical letter of the Flood story as a "factual account" precisely so that he can use it as a platform for his disbelief. He is as committed to its "factualness" as the believer--with the opposite purpose of finding it worthless.

Presumably you can quote me on that position then to back up your claims?

I have argued against the flood as a true story against those who have argued that it was. I have never to my mind argued that it should be taken literally! I have in fact indicated several times recently on this blog that scriptural literalism is what is being argued against, not belief in a life beyond this world or a supreme being of some sort, although I do not believe in those things myself, of course.

1190 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:16:44pm

re: #1186 buzzsawmonkey

I would think that was obvious. The Bible-literalist atheist is just as bound to the non-allegorical letter of the Flood story as a "factual account" precisely so that he can use it as a platform for his disbelief. He is as committed to its "factualness" as the believer--with the opposite purpose of finding it worthless.

I think that you are incorrect here, and are simply trying out an equivalency tarring brush. I do not see most atheists as upset or disappointed when Christians accept Biblical myths as parables and allegories. In fact, I think that a great many atheists accept them as such themselves, and glean moral lessons from them. They just don't accept that Christianity has cornered the market on such moral lessons.

Whereas, for a Genesis Literalist, those who accept Biblical myths as parables or allegories are heretic apostate infidels, doomed to forever crisp their cojones in the fires of Hell.

1191 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:17:19pm

re: #1188 buzzsawmonkey

Dour. Humorless.

You need more custard pies in your life.

You need one in your face.

1192 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:18:25pm

re: #1188 buzzsawmonkey

Dour. Humorless.

You need more custard pies in your life.

I like the self congratulatory implication that there's something funny about your posts right now btw. Cute.

1193 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:19:23pm

re: #1186 buzzsawmonkey

The Bible-literalist atheist is just as bound to the non-allegorical letter of the Flood story as a "factual account" precisely so that he can use it as a platform for his disbelief.

A "platform for his disbelief"? Look, speaking for myself, I disbelieve because I see no good evidence for belief (or indeed a coherent definition of that which is to be believed). Now, *separate* from that, there are, indeed, religious people who read the Bible literally, and insist that it is so. And they're demonstrably wrong, and I'm doing nothing wrong by pointing that out.

1194 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:26:40pm

I wonder how many of us have ever taken a custard pie in the face?

My husband was an assistant cubmaster. The cubmaster promised the boys if they made a certain goal, that he would let them put a pie in his face. The boys surpassed the goal, so they got multiple pies and both my husband, the cubmaster, and a couple other of the guy leaders knelt down and let a selected kid (they went by lottery) let him have it.

It was the only pack meeting I attended that year (new baby). I came with a camera. One of the highlights of my life.

Where was I going with this? Oh yeah. He said it stings in the eyes.

So, I'm sure the pie would delight the young-at-heart, but there would be some stinging.

1195 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:27:58pm

Aw, crud, bad grammar slipped past me--and not on purpose. If it was my husband, and the cubmaster, and a couple of others, it would not be both, would it? Sorry

1196 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:28:34pm

re: #1175 EmmmieG

I am giving you the time the books are purported to be from. You can hardly insist that the the Book of Mormon should have been affected by a flood that even Mormons think happened way before it was written.

And no, I don't agree it was a scam. Why do you think I could come back with the dates so fast?

Yes, I have taken my faith out into the light, shaken it to see if anything fell out, held it up to take a better look, and dared to ask if it is true. I'm pretty sure I have been hit by just about every anti-Mormon everything there is, and I'm still good.

And how come I was so quick to make my point, because you do not know who you are dealing with if you want to discuss the foundations of your religious beliefs.

But, at the same time, LGF this is not the place to do it. I respect your belief, but I don't agree with any of it.

So, that said, I have no argument with you.

1197 Joan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:36:22pm

re: #842 Soona'

That is an interesting idea. I don't know enough about how Party politics works to venture too far that road--is an RNC chairperson supposed to set strategy? Is that role "elder statesman" kind of position?

1198 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:36:29pm

re: #1190 Salamantis

On the allegorical interpretations of the bible held by christians, I may not believe that that is how these stories were necessarily originally intended to be read - but I see no harm in it and taking this approach is the only way for a modern believer to avoid the insanity of committing to a literal account, so in that context I'm all for it. Same stance with the Koran. I don't believe that the moderate, non-literal and tolerant interpretations put forward by the likes of Irshad Manji are religiously authentic, but whatever gets muslims out of committing to the insanity of the literal accounts has to be encouraged.

1199 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:39:25pm

Thank you for being so polite, not everyone is. Trust me.

I have no intention of delving into LDS theology here, but someone made an incorrect statement, I assumed in good faith, so I wanted to correct it.

1200 captain amercia  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 7:51:33pm

IF ONLY BARACK COULD HAVE GOTTEN HERE SOONER…

President-elect Barack Obama added sweep and meat to his economic agenda on Saturday, pledging the largest new investment in roads and bridges since President Dwight D. Eisenhower built the Interstate system in the late 1950s, and tying his key initiatives – education, energy, health care –back to jobs in a package that has the makings of a smaller and modern version of FDR’s New Deal marriage of job creation with infrastructure upgrades.

“We have a new directive here people. In the future you are to replace CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN with SWEEP AND MEAT.” “Okay, everyone got that? “
“SWEEP AND MEAT. Very catchy, sir.”

Seriously…roads and bridges? Are you KIDDING me? That’s what all the fuss was about? This is the grand vision we have all been waiting so patiently for since the election…roads and bridges? Don’t look now but I TOLD YOU SO! This guy just proved what a total lightweight idiot he is. TOTAL FRAUD!

His plan for fixing the economy his party wrecked is to spend BILLIONS MORE taxpayer dollars taking over the job of the STATE GOVERNMENTS? Think about this for a second: The Democrats have taken over the banking industry, the mortgage industry, and are in the process of trying to take over the auto industry.

http://firstin.wordpress.com/

1201 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 8:26:28pm

re: #1200 captain amercia

IF ONLY BARACK COULD HAVE GOTTEN HERE SOONER…

“We have a new directive here people. In the future you are to replace CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN with SWEEP AND MEAT.” “Okay, everyone got that? “
“SWEEP AND MEAT. Very catchy, sir.”

Seriously…roads and bridges? Are you KIDDING me? That’s what all the fuss was about? This is the grand vision we have all been waiting so patiently for since the election…roads and bridges? Don’t look now but I TOLD YOU SO! This guy just proved what a total lightweight idiot he is. TOTAL FRAUD!

His plan for fixing the economy his party wrecked is to spend BILLIONS MORE taxpayer dollars taking over the job of the STATE GOVERNMENTS? Think about this for a second: The Democrats have taken over the banking industry, the mortgage industry, and are in the process of trying to take over the auto industry.

http://firstin.wordpress.com/

HopeChange, baby! HopeChange!

1202 Serotonin  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:42:21pm

OT: Did Carter SCREW BHO?

BHO has admitted to registering for selective service as required by Carter.

PJ media at this site confirmed BHO registered for selective service on 4 Sept 1980, a copy of the text of the letter is posted here: [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

"Mr. Owens,

Barack Hussein Obama registered at a post office in Hawaii. The effective registration date was September 4, 1980.

His registration number is 61-1125539-1.

Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist"

Copied from: [Link: www.sss.gov...]

"NOW, THEREFORE, I, JIMMY CARTER, President of the United States of
America, by the authority vested in me by the Military Selective Service Act, as amended
(50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.), do hereby proclaim as follows:
1-1. PERSONS TO BE REGISTERED AND DAYS OF REGISTRATION
1-101. Male citizens of the United States and other males residing in the United States,
unless exempted by the Military Selective Service Act, as amended, who were born on or
after January 1, 1960, and who have attained their eighteenth birthday, shall present
themselves for registration in the manner and at the time and places as hereinafter
provided.
1-102. Persons born in calendar year 1960 shall present themselves for registration on any
of the six days beginning Monday, July 21, 1980.
1-103. Persons born in calendar year 1961 shall present themselves for registration on any
of the six days beginning Monday, July 28, 1980.
1-104. Persons born in calendar year 1962 shall present themselves for registration on any
of the six days beginning Monday, January 5, 1981.
1-105. Persons born on or after January 1, 1963, shall present themselves for registration
on the day they attain the 18th anniversary of their birth or on any day within the period of
60 days beginning 30 days before such date; however, in no event shall such persons
present themselves for registration prior to January 5, 1981.
1-106. Aliens who would be required to present themselves for registration pursuant to
Sections 1-101 to 1-105, but who are in processing centers on the dates fixed for
registration, shall present themselves for registration within 30 days after their
release from such centers.
1-107. Aliens and noncitizen nationals of the United States who reside in the United
States, but who are absent from the United States on the days fixed for their registration,
shall present themselves for registration within 30 days after their return to the United
States.
1-108. Aliens and noncitizen nationals of the United States who, on or after July 1, 1980,
come into and reside in the United States shall present themselves for registration in
accordance with Sections 1-101 to 1-105 or within 30 days after coming into the United
States, whichever is later.
1-109. Persons who would have been required to present themselves for registration
pursuant to Sections 1-101 to 1-108 but for an exemption pursuant to Section 3 or 6(a) of
the Military Selective Service Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. App. 453 or 456(a)), or but for
some condition beyond their control such as hospitalization or incarceration, shall present
themselves for registration within 30 days after the cause for their exempt status ceases to
exist or within 30 days after the termination of the condition which was beyond their control."
end excerpt...

If BHO said he registered for selective service on 4 Sept 1980, and those born in 1961 were supposed to register for six days starting 28 July 1980 and ending 3 August 1980. Other categories of eligible men were supposed to register 30 days later, which would put BHO in which category?

1203 Sloppy  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:00:41pm

On a busy street in our town there used to be a church-sponsored electric sign which flashed a two-part message. The first part was an apocalyptic rendering of a lightning bolt. The second part said, "What part of 'Thou shalt not' didn't you understand?"

1204 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:44:36am

re: #1203 Sloppy

On a busy street in our town there used to be a church-sponsored electric sign which flashed a two-part message. The first part was an apocalyptic rendering of a lightning bolt. The second part said, "What part of 'Thou shalt not' didn't you understand?"

Hey; great idea! Threatening the infidels with death, blood and destruction unless they submit to your authority works to convince the uncommitted every time! Look how well it's worked for the Muslims...

Gimme that Old Time Religion
That grand myopic vision
Of Heaven and Perdition
My grampaw loved so well

Blacks, we abhor 'em
Uppity chicks - deplore 'em
And if you don't agree with us
Then you can Go to Hell

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1205 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:58:40am
1206 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:39:20am

Change 'Christianity' to 'Islam' and you have the same 'criticism' that is often aimed at people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali by fixed-grin faux-moderate Islamic zealots.

You should try sticking to whatever arguments you think you have, instead of indulging in silly and offensive fantasies about what is wrong with the hearts and minds of those you disagree with. It would be the easiest thing in the world to turn the tactic on you, incidentally:

"Did you permit yourself to be damaged by some bad atheists? Is that why you are such an embittered grudge-bearing ball of hate, spending the rest of your life looking for openings to shit on those who happen not to share your beliefs?"

See how easy that was? The question is, did it get us anywhere? Time to re-examine your tactics buzzsaw. I don't hold grudges against people. If you can be reasonable in debate, I'll be happy to continue the conversation. If you can't then I will have no option but to respectfully ask you to fuck off.

1207 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:19:04pm

re: #1206 Jimmah

Change 'Christianity' to 'Islam' and you have the same 'criticism' that is often aimed at people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali by fixed-grin faux-moderate Islamic zealots.

You should try sticking to whatever arguments you think you have, instead of indulging in silly and offensive fantasies about what is wrong with the hearts and minds of those you disagree with. It would be the easiest thing in the world to turn the tactic on you, incidentally:

"Did you permit yourself to be damaged by some bad atheists? Is that why you are such an embittered grudge-bearing ball of hate, spending the rest of your life looking for openings to shit on those who happen not to share your beliefs?"

See how easy that was? The question is, did it get us anywhere? Time to re-examine your tactics buzzsaw. I don't hold grudges against people. If you can be reasonable in debate, I'll be happy to continue the conversation. If you can't then I will have no option but to respectfully ask you to fuck off.

Yeah...what he said.

1208 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:30:23pm
1209 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:57:06pm

re: #1208 buzzsawmonkey

When you insult people and then bitch about the inevitable downdings, taking care to insult again while doing so, it comes across as very trollish.

It's sad and disappointing that you don't seem to be able to participate in a civil debate. I've no interest in trading insults with you, and since that's all you have left, I think we're done here.

1210 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:08am
1211 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 7:24:41am

Very few posters seems as intent on trollish adhominem attacks as you. I don't seem to have this problem with any regular posters except you. Isn't that funny?

You were asked to back your claim up, you failed, you then resorted to insults. You abandoned your failed argument and got personal. Those are the facts.

And stop greeting about your dings, for fuck sake. I don't hear you complaining about the times I have actually updinged you on a comment - only when you get downdinged. So much for reflexive dinging. But hey - it's such an easy accusation to throw around so why not eh?

If you don't like getting downdinged then stop making stupid posts.


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Well, you know I've been here many times, and only certain hours of the day when I'm here am I asleep; the rest of the time I'm actually awake. -- I have a filler on a dat with zappa being interrogated by a couple of swedish fans/state officers(who knows)...in which they are arguing over the pornographic contents of his work. he tells them he has been spying on them, and claims that their porno industry is bigger than that of the US. it's pretty funny. btw-this is from thew '88 tour.