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Open | Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:20:16 pm PST

After the havoc that I’m gonna wreak
No more words will critics have to speak

Weezer

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1 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:22:47pm

Critic: defn, a person who makes a living by tearing apart some one elses work, usually has not created a work of their own.

2 van helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:20pm

Cry havoc! and let slip the dogs of war!

Or go to bed.
Nite boys and girls. Play nice.

3 psyop  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:38pm

Crap, I need sleep.

4 Macker  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:25:48pm

Good night Lizards!

5 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:26:29pm

Okay, enough with the "Hello, I must be going" schtick. Anyone else sticking around?

6 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:27:13pm

speaking of havoc, a new classic:
John Bird and John Fortune : credit crunch

7 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:27:50pm

re: #5 BlueCanuck

: : : caught : : :

8 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:28:31pm

re: #2 van helsing

Cry havoc! and let slip the dogs of war!

Or go to bed.
Nite boys and girls. Play nice.

"Cry 'CHEEBLE!' and let loose the lemmings of war....."

9 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:29:17pm

since the last thread was all guns and ID, can we turn this into a boob thread?

10 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:29:24pm

re: #7 LeePro

Good morning {LeePro}. How you doing this fine day?

11 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:29:30pm

*Climbs in through the window*

Hey, Lizards!

12 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:00pm

re: #9 redc1c4

Well you are here, so I think we have a good start on that.

/white smoke

13 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:10pm

re: #5 BlueCanuck

BC, Lee, I'll be up for a bit longer..........

14 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:22pm

re: #9 redc1c4

since the last thread was all guns and ID, can we turn this into a boob thread?

I'm NOT talking about Jimmy Carter any more!

15 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:30:36pm

re: #11 SurferDoc

*Climbs in through the window*

Hey, Lizards!

Ummm, didn't you know that there's a door over there? ←

16 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:31:10pm

re: #15 BlueCanuck

Ummm, didn't you know that there's a door over there? ←

What fun is that?

17 Meremortal  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:32:03pm

While we are getting our bearings, allow me to post a request for the Governor of the great state of Illinois:

"Uhh, Blago. Dude. Lose the toup, OK? Spend a few hundred of those dirty dollars in your sock drawer on a decent crown cover. You are SO not going to be forgiven as long as you wear that opossum on your head."

18 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:32:33pm

re: #8 redc1c4

Lemmings...
You kids behave back there! Or I'll just drive right over the cliff!
-Gary Larson The Farside

19 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:33:43pm

Hope this whole Blagojevich-getting-arrested thingey won't interrupt all this hopey and changey good vibes we're supposed to start feeling next month.

/Maybe us lizards can play 'Count the Home Invasion Robbers' at the innauguration.

20 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:33:51pm

re: #11 SurferDoc

*Climbs in through the window*

Hey, Lizards!

I love you avatar. I have a little plush Marvin here, he is seated, with his legs out in front of him. I have him on top of my TV. He is looking down into his lap, and between his legs I have placed a nice meteorite from my collection.

It just says something to me, the martian and the rock.

21 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:35:17pm

re: #9 redc1c4

since the last thread was all guns and ID, can we turn this into a boob thread?

I'll vote for comedy: mortgage crisis (fall 07)

22 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:37:02pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

I love you avatar. I have a little plush Marvin here, he is seated, with his legs out in front of him. I have him on top of my TV. He is looking down into his lap, and between his legs I have placed a nice meteorite from my collection.

It just says something to me, the martian and the rock.

Thanks. I've always liked Marvin. I found a small chunk of a meteorite out near Ludlow a long time ago.

23 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:37:10pm

re: #10 BlueCanuck

Good morning {LeePro}. How you doing this fine day?

Maybe day will be fine by sun-up. So far wet, soggy, after 2-3 days solid rain.

Yeccchhhhh!

Would love to see actual winter precip!

24 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:37:48pm

re: #9 redc1c4

since the last thread was all guns and ID, can we turn this into a boob thread?

I vote for boobs...

[Link: reactin.com.au...]

25 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:38:55pm

re: #22 SurferDoc

Thanks. I've always liked Marvin. I found a small chunk of a meteorite out near Ludlow a long time ago.

Ludlow where?

26 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:39:03pm

re: #23 LeePro

Well we had a bit of that white stuff over the weekend and today. Now it's raining of all things.

/hate this time of year, temps fluctuate to bloody much.

27 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:39:30pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Thanks Walter. Thanks a lot.

Where ARE those electro-shock probes....

28 Karridine  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:39:40pm

re: #23 LeePro

Hey, I feel for yah, Lee! We have another bright, sunny day here in Bangkok, but it was COOL this morning, maybe 42F, you know? And northern Thailand reported frost on the ground, again this year!

/snurkk! :D

29 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:39:41pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

I vote for boobs...

[Link: reactin.com.au...]

wew, nasty

30 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:39:42pm

re: #9 redc1c4

since the last thread was all guns and ID, can we turn this into a boob thread?

Did that already, Mandy and me. How could you (of all people!) miss that?!?

How 'bout a thread on male body parts?

31 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:39:44pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Ackkkk, pffffft. Eye bleach please?

32 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:40:01pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

EYE BLEACH. How about a warning next time Walter. Morning Lizards.

33 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:40:39pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

Ludlow where?

Ludlow California, in the Mojave Desert.

34 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:40:55pm

re: #30 LeePro

LOL

35 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:41:12pm

re: #28 Karridine

How are things in the 'restive south' Karradine? Haven't heard much here lately.

36 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:41:32pm

Morning Erik. How's things near the Cape?

37 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:42:12pm

re: #33 SurferDoc

Ludlow California, in the Mojave Desert.

Ok, now please don't take this question as tacky, but it's an occupational habit of meteorite collectors.

How do you know it was a meteorite?

38 chicken kiev  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:42:41pm

If I hear one more person respond in all sincerity to bad news on TV or a gloomy prediction of the future with a worshipful expression and the words, "Well, now that Barack Obama's been elected, that's going to change" ... I just hope I'm sitting on my hands so that I can't punch anyone in the nose.

39 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:43:51pm

re: #37 Walter L. Newton

Ok, now please don't take this question as tacky, but it's an occupational habit of meteorite collectors.

How do you know it was a meteorite?

I took it to a rock shop and they identified it for me.

40 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:44:38pm

re: #38 chicken kiev

If I hear one more person respond in all sincerity to bad news on TV or a gloomy prediction of the future with a worshipful expression and the words, "Well, now that Barack Obama's been elected, that's going to change" ... I just hope I'm sitting on my hands so that I can't punch anyone in the nose.

Now that Barak Obama has been elected, your tendency to want to punch people in the nose will change.

41 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:44:44pm

re: #36 BlueCanuck

Morning Erik. How's things near the Cape?

I'm in Durban on the East coast about 14 hours from the Cape(West coast). Weather should be good today mid 80's maybe rain later this afternoon. How cold are you today Blue?

42 Karridine  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:45:02pm

re: #35 Van Helsing

How are things in the 'restive south' Karridine? Haven't heard much here lately.

Van, you ain't heard much because the Pukes Against Democracy stole the limelight by stealing secret documents during their 5-month illegal occupation of Government House, and because they walked in (WALKED IN) and commandeered Bangkok Intntl Airport and did massive damage to the Thai economy on their way to their 5th deposed, democratically-elected Prime Minister...

/filthy scum the PAD!

43 winston06  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:45:11pm

time to hit the rack here...

44 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:45:16pm

re: #39 SurferDoc

I took it to a rock shop and they identified it for me.

If you want, can you describe it?

45 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:45:23pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

Agreed- I feel like kicking most of these dipshits square in the groin after getting a running head start.

46 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:45:40pm

re: #19 Fenway_Nation

Hope this whole Blagojevich-getting-arrested thingey won't interrupt all this hopey and changey good vibes we're supposed to start feeling next month.

/Maybe us lizards can play 'Count the Home Invasion Robbers' at the innauguration.

G-G-Almighty!
That is so fuckin' SICK ! ! !

DAMN!

47 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:45:47pm

re: #11 SurferDoc

*Climbs in through the window*

Hey, Lizards!

pants check!

48 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:46:20pm

re: #12 BlueCanuck

Well you are here, so I think we have a good start on that.

/white smoke

tit's a mean thing to say.....

49 Karridine  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:46:43pm

re: #42 Karridine

Just imagine what 10 Mumbai Monsters could do to that airport?

/God help us!

50 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:47:27pm

re: #41 Erik The Red

Above freezing today. Like I said up thread. Raining right now. Low tonight should be -1.

51 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:48:00pm

re: #48 redc1c4

Well I do try to keep a-breast of the times.

52 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:49:35pm

..........sniff,
again ignored, signing out crushed..........

53 Karridine  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:51:17pm

re: #52 2by2

Comes with the territory, 2by... CUL :D

54 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:51:53pm

re: #52 2by2

..........sniff,
again ignored, signing out crushed..........

Don't be sad, 2by2!
Redc1c4 ignored a really good boob joke... !

55 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:53:06pm

re: #31 BlueCanuck

Don't knock it. Its a picture of one of the 72 virgins that a shaheed is going to get.

56 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:53:59pm

re: #42 Karridine

Geez. Of course. THAT I've been reading about. I forget that there is Bad Stuff happening there that isn't necessarily bombs and beheadings. Sorry K, didn't mean to be an insensitive blind putz.

Are things moving toward normalcy now?

57 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:54:34pm

re: #54 LeePro

Don't be sad, 2by2!
Redc1c4 ignored a really good boob joke... !

sorry: i have a very décolleté sense of humor.....

58 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:55:12pm

re: #52 2by2

..........sniff,
again ignored, signing out crushed..........

I'm sorry, did someone say something? ;)

59 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:55:31pm

re: #54 LeePro

Are you talking to me? feeling better already.............

60 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:55:42pm

re: #51 BlueCanuck

Well I do try to keep a-breast of the times.

Lee's?

/white smoke

61 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:56:19pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

If you want, can you describe it?

Sure. Imagine something larger than a softball and with more than half of it missing. One side is rounded and the other side looks as if it is broken. It is black and the surface is similar to a volcanic rock on the broken side and smoother on the rounded side. It is heavier than a rock that size "should" be. That is from memory. I just went to look where I thought it was and it wasn't there. We have a lot of rocks around the house.

62 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:56:57pm

I’mma do the things that I wanna do, I ain’t got a thing to prove to you
I’ll eat my candy with the pork and beans, Excuse my manners if I make a scene
I ain’t gonna wear the clothes that you like, I’m finally dandy with the me inside
One look in the mirror and I’m tickled pink, I don’t give a hoot about what you think

-Weezer

63 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:57:13pm

re: #30 LeePro

Did that already, Mandy and me. How could you (of all people!) miss that?!?

How 'bout a thread on male body parts?

saw that when it was posted..... definitely snork worthy

64 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:57:25pm

re: #47 redc1c4

pants check!

The pants are on. Well, shorts. This is California.

65 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:57:56pm

re: #59 2by2

Are you talking to me? feeling better already.............

;D
Don't let 'em run you off!

66 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:58:21pm

re: #1 BlueCanuck

Critic: defn, a person who makes a living by tearing apart some one elses work, usually has not created a work of their own.

In the SF world, the late Jack Chalker called them the "failed writer's school."

67 Karridine  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:58:41pm

re: #56 Van Helsing

No scent of 'insensitive, blind putz' from your comments, Van...

Yes, the PAD vacated the airport last week, after crowing about another 'victory', but their karma is about to catch up with them, bigtime... they've turned too many people against them, ruined too much of the economy (500,000 tourist-related jobs MINIMUM expected to be lost next year?) and exposed too much of their cupidity and thuggishness to try this again, even with supporters in Parliament!

So drifting AWAY from ABNORMAL is a better assessment than 'moving toward normal...'

How you? LTNS!

68 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:59:13pm

re: #60 redc1c4

Lee's?

/white smoke

...said the blind man.

too bad you missed that joke. Heh.

69 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 10:59:42pm

re: #64 SurferDoc

The pants are on. Well, shorts. This is California.

tell me about it: i'm taking the ex to her w*rk xmas thing, and she siad it's "dressy.... which for you means long pants."

so i'll wear Dockers and my surfing santa Hawaiian shirt/

70 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:00:36pm

re: #63 redc1c4

Ha!

71 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:01:28pm

re: #69 redc1c4

tell me about it: i'm taking the ex to her w*rk xmas thing, and she siad it's "dressy.... which for you means long pants."

so i'll wear Dockers and my surfing santa Hawaiian shirt/

Yep. The joke around here is No Way in Hell Day. That's the day it gets so cold, usually in January that I say, "No way in Hell I can wear shorts today."

72 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:01:58pm

re: #65 LeePro

;D
Don't let 'em run you off!

the re: #65 LeePro

;D
Don't let 'em run you off!

i figured he's march off with the ants........
(right after the little one finishes tying his shoe. %-)

/white smoke

73 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:02:23pm

re: #65 LeePro
hey, thanks
just felt like howling into the woods, only hearing a faint echo of my typing

74 Karridine  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:03:21pm

re: #73 2by2

Its only a problem when the woods howl back, 2by... :D

75 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:03:45pm

re: #71 SurferDoc

Yep. The joke around here is No Way in Hell Day. That's the day it gets so cold, usually in January that I say, "No way in Hell I can wear shorts today."

i even wear them then...... got a pic of my bro that made the Denver paper when he was at SDSU, front top of the sunday sports page. blowing snow, and he's in a sweater and shorts. %-)

SFV here: and you?

76 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:04:59pm

re: #73 2by2

Well, my problem right now is that my job keeps distracting me.

/insensitive, don't they know I have important people to talk to?

77 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:05:30pm

re: #72 redc1c4

Can I get a heads-up about the white smoke?

78 Van Helsing  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:06:01pm

re: #67 Karridine

Thanks for the news. I'm doing fine, enjoying the time of year in Phoenix that makes July and August just a dull memory of discomfort.

Take care.

79 Karridine  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:06:22pm

re: #77 2by2

Can I get a heads-up about the white smoke?


White smoke indicates his insulation is burning from over-thinking... :P

80 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:06:50pm

re: #75 redc1c4

i even wear them then...... got a pic of my bro that made the Denver paper when he was at SDSU, front top of the sunday sports page. blowing snow, and he's in a sweater and shorts. %-)

SFV here: and you?

High Desert, in the Sierra foothills, near China Lake.

81 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:06:50pm

Any "geeks" (or wannabe geeks) out there?

50 Skills Every Real Geek Should Have :D

82 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:08:43pm

re: #74 Karridine

83 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:10:01pm

re: #80 SurferDoc

High Desert, in the Sierra foothills, near China Lake.

gets a bit colder up there than here, plus more wind..... even i might have to agree to the occasional no shorts day. %-)

84 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:11:02pm

re: #77 2by2

Can I get a heads-up about the white smoke?

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probaly be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star custer, any kind of warning.

85 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:11:34pm

re: #81 boogberg

You must be very lonely.

86 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:11:57pm

re: #61 SurferDoc

Sure. Imagine something larger than a softball and with more than half of it missing. One side is rounded and the other side looks as if it is broken. It is black and the surface is similar to a volcanic rock on the broken side and smoother on the rounded side. It is heavier than a rock that size "should" be. That is from memory. I just went to look where I thought it was and it wasn't there. We have a lot of rocks around the house.

Doesn't sound like a meteorite. Believe it or not, most rock shops don't know what a real meteorite looks like.

First off, there is no known fall in the Ludlow area. Second, the size of the piece. For it to be larger than a softball, the size of the original boloid would have been massive to have broken up into pieces that size. That boloid would have probably left some impact crater somewhere in that area.

Second, meteorites don't look like volcanic. Volcanic rocks have gas pockets, gas veins etc. Meteorites don't. Except for some shock veins, they are quite solid.

Third, it would not be black inside (well, 99 percent of the time). Stoney chondrites is basically a chocolate brown color, with flecks of iron scattered inside.

Take a magnet to it. If it's not magnetic, it's not a meteorite, unless it's a ferrous based meteor-wrong.

87 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:11:57pm

re: #79 Karridine

White smoke indicates his insulation is burning from over-thinking... :P

ah, yes I know that noise of sizzling wires in my brain.
hey, I'm not a psychopath, just felt like, uhm,....... being ignored, now I know better.

88 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:12:20pm

re: #83 redc1c4

gets a bit colder up there than here, plus more wind..... even i might have to agree to the occasional no shorts day. %-)

It is the cold, windy days that do it. Otherwise, shorts.

89 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:13:53pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

I love you avatar. I have a little plush Marvin here, he is seated, with his legs out in front of him. I have him on top of my TV. He is looking down into his lap, and between his legs I have placed a nice meteorite from my collection.

It just says something to me, the martian and the rock.

You have a meteorite collection? Cool! How many do you have?

90 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:13:57pm

re: #85 LeePro

You must be very lonely.

Why do you say that?

91 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:14:04pm

more good news from the Middle East!

what do y'all think the lightweight will do about *this*?

(besides prevaricate, of course? %-)

92 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:14:39pm

re: #81 boogberg

Any "geeks" (or wannabe geeks) out there?

50 Skills Every Real Geek Should Have :D

I got most of the first page. Usually I drop out pretty fast if the skill level is progressively higher. I'm mostly a hardware geek (wannabe), so the coding questions and similar and beyond me.

93 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:15:07pm

re: #84 redc1c4

that's a lot of code here, thanks, I'll copy that (literally) .............

94 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:15:41pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

One added point on the color. The chocolate brown color I mentioned above is the inside. A fresh meteorite has a jet black 1-2cm fusion crust on the outside, although that will eventually weather away over the centuries, leaving the outside color the same as the inside. Depending on how long the rock has been sitting on the face of our planet, the fusion crust will be fresh looking, slightly worn looking or totally worn away.

95 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:15:46pm

got folks in the AM again.....

gonna go fix up the real fruitcup and the decoy.

hasta y'all.............

L8r!

96 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:16:16pm

54°F tonight.
Last night it was 10°F at this time.

97 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:16:36pm

re: #93 2by2

that's a lot of code here, thanks, I'll copy that (literally) .............

it's from Usenet a few years back: alt.folklore.military and us.military.army

98 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:17:05pm

re: #84 redc1c4

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probaly be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star custer, any kind of warning.

White smoke is useful when correcting another lizard's spelling booboos...
tounge tongue
probaly probably

/Oh-oh. SHIT! How do you turn OFF this damn smoke thingie!

99 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:17:42pm

re: #64 SurferDoc

The pants are on. Well, shorts. This is California.

Speedos if you're in Southern California.

100 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:18:52pm

re: #89 Cygnus

You have a meteorite collection? Cool! How many do you have?

About 50 stoney pieces from different verified falls. Most in the 10-15 gram range.

Irons, I have only 7 specimens, I'm not that impressed with iron meteorites.

And then I have about 30 pounds of North West Africa unclassified pieces, from small 40-50 gram pieces to ones weighing up to a couple of pounds.

I also collect "impacta," which is earth material from craters that have been effected by a meteorite hitting.

101 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:19:02pm

re: #99 Cygnus

Speedos if you're in Southern California.

What if you're calling in 'gay'?

102 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:19:19pm

re: #92 SurferDoc

I got most of the first page. Usually I drop out pretty fast if the skill level is progressively higher. I'm mostly a hardware geek (wannabe), so the coding questions and similar and beyond me.

Yeah, on a scale of 1 to 10, I'm probably around a 3. :D

Fascinating stuff though.

103 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:20:40pm
104 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:21:13pm

re: #85 LeePro

You must be very lonely.

Well? I'm waiting.

105 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:22:18pm

re: #90 boogberg

No offense intended.

106 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:23:26pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

Doesn't sound like a meteorite. Believe it or not, most rock shops don't know what a real meteorite looks like.

First off, there is no known fall in the Ludlow area. Second, the size of the piece. For it to be larger than a softball, the size of the original boloid would have been massive to have broken up into pieces that size. That boloid would have probably left some impact crater somewhere in that area.

Second, meteorites don't look like volcanic. Volcanic rocks have gas pockets, gas veins etc. Meteorites don't. Except for some shock veins, they are quite solid.

Third, it would not be black inside (well, 99 percent of the time). Stoney chondrites is basically a chocolate brown color, with flecks of iron scattered inside.

Take a magnet to it. If it's not magnetic, it's not a meteorite, unless it's a ferrous based meteor-wrong.

I'm sure you are correct. It is magnetic, though. I found it in a field of volcanic material. This piece was different, which is why I picked it up. We were rockhounding in those days and we brought home many, many rocks, so this really didn't have any great significance as we became more interested in the stone tools we were finding. Then we moved on to archeology.

107 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:23:30pm

re: #105 LeePro

No worries.

108 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:23:43pm

re: #98 LeePro

thanks, saved
is that a picture of you in your avatar, if I may ask?

109 Nightwatch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:23:57pm

What the h-e double -toothpicks is WHITE SMOKE?

Don't answer yet. I have to get more scotch....

110 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:24:44pm

re: #99 Cygnus

Speedos if you're in Southern California.

Knee-length baggy sweats, here.

111 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:27:08pm

re: #109 Nightwatch

What the h-e double -toothpicks is WHITE SMOKE?

Don't answer yet. I have to get more scotch....

aah, another one of the uninitiated, like myself..(pouring a stiff dry Martini)

112 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:27:11pm

re: #106 SurferDoc

I'm sure you are correct. It is magnetic, though. I found it in a field of volcanic material. This piece was different, which is why I picked it up. We were rockhounding in those days and we brought home many, many rocks, so this really didn't have any great significance as we became more interested in the stone tools we were finding. Then we moved on to archeology.

This is the BEST website for identifying meteor-wrongs. [Link: meteorites.wustl.edu...]

I have a few pre-columbian items left in my collection. At one time I had thousand of dollars worth of artifacts. It became a sort of obsession.

113 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:30:45pm

re: #89 Cygnus

You have a meteorite collection? Cool! How many do you have?

Forgot...

I also have a .020 gram piece of a lunar meteorite and a .030 gram piece of a martian meteorite.

114 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:31:23pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

This is the BEST website for identifying meteor-wrongs. [Link: meteorites.wustl.edu...]

I have a few pre-columbian items left in my collection. At one time I had thousand of dollars worth of artifacts. It became a sort of obsession.

OK. Numbers 38 and 47 are roughly the same appearance as what I have.

I think we had/have "serial obsessions". We went from rockhounding to archeology to ghost towns to old mines. We're looking for "lost" mines now.

115 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:31:58pm

re: #104 boogberg

Well? I'm waiting.

Geez!
A whole 7 minutes, 10 seconds! ! ! ! !

Chill, sonny.

116 Nightwatch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:33:17pm

re: #111 2by2

Sorry. Been here for...what can I say years? Just don't know the white smoke......"Charles, Can I get a ruling on this?

117 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:35:07pm

question for y'all late night lizards:

been to the mall lately? was it crowded?

I was at the mall Sunday - empty.

I was at the mall tonight - empty.

That's here in west Los Angeles.

118 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:35:08pm

re: #116 Nightwatch

You've got a cool nic and an even cooler avatar, love it.
R van Rijn rules

119 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:35:23pm

re: #108 2by2

thanks, saved
is that a picture of you in your avatar, if I may ask?

You're welcome!
You may, and yes it is! All 66 years of me!

Well, ok. I lied. That's only my face.
>;->

120 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:36:41pm

re: #115 LeePro

Geez!
A whole 7 minutes, 10 seconds! ! ! ! !

Chill, sonny.

"Sonny"? Lol!

So tell me. Why do you think I must be lonely?

121 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:37:23pm

re: #114 SurferDoc

OK. Numbers 38 and 47 are roughly the same appearance as what I have.

I think we had/have "serial obsessions". We went from rockhounding to archeology to ghost towns to old mines. We're looking for "lost" mines now.

Ain't no lost mines or ghost towns around here... just move on partner, nothing to see. LOL.

Well, then if you are ever in the Denver area, stop by in Golden for a day and I'll show you around, you would drool at the amount of these kind of sites with in 20 minutes of me.

Hell, you can go sit in a park in downtown Golden and pan real gold out of Clear Creek (that's where Coors gets that mountain spring water).

122 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:37:50pm

re: #116 Nightwatch

Sorry. Been here for...what can I say years? Just don't know the white smoke......"Charles, Can I get a ruling on this?

look up on the thread # 84 by redc14c gave a very detailed explanation (military origin)

123 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:37:59pm

re: #118 2by2

Think it's a refrence to this.

124 garycooper  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:39:05pm

The opening quote about critics reminded me of the German film director Uwe Boll, who challenged his critics to take him on in the boxing ring. The unfortunate nerds who took him up on it all got KO'd in short order. It's the funniest scene in the Jamie Kennedy documentary "Heckler," which is really more about critics in general than hecklers in comedy clubs. In case anyone's interested, because Kennedy's humor is not specifically of the funny variety. But the doc was pretty interesting, with lots of familiar faces whining, joking or waxing philosophical or psychological about critics.

Oh, and Carrot Top's in it. I hadn't seen the guy for a few years, but he's hilarious-looking now. I doubt if his act is any better, but you should see what he's done to his face, with plastic surgery. I think he's using Michael Jackson's doctor. Plus, he's all pumped-up from lifting weights. Creepy-looking to the max, but he comes off in the doc as one of the more well-adjusted people, able to deal with whatever criticism he receives, and it doesn't seem to bother him. Good for him! :)

125 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:42:07pm

re: #121 Walter L. Newton

Ain't no lost mines or ghost towns around here... just move on partner, nothing to see. LOL.

Well, then if you are ever in the Denver area, stop by in Golden for a day and I'll show you around, you would drool at the amount of these kind of sites with in 20 minutes of me.

Hell, you can go sit in a park in downtown Golden and pan real gold out of Clear Creek (that's where Coors gets that mountain spring water).

OK, looking at the page you posted more carefully, #93 is most likely what I have.

We have panned for gold in the Eastern Sierras and we dry-panned in our own desert here. However, back in the days when everyone had assault rifles, I took more money out of the desert in brass than most amateur miners ever got in gold. ;)

Thanks for the invite. If you ever come to the Mojave I will be happy to take you to some places we have found.

126 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:42:37pm

re: #124 garycooper

Yep, Carrot Top has jumped the shark... (caution, not safe for humans)...

[Link: mikeresponts.files.wordpress.com...]

127 Nightwatch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:45:44pm

re: #113 Walter L. Newton


Just for the thread, Did ya see the space station tonight?
Traversed the North-Western sky after dusk tracking to the South like a bright star but MOVING not like any aircraft in the sky, just very different from anything else? Heads-up from my friends at JPL allowed me to walk out of the ambulance bay at the E.R I was working at just in time to see it's passing. It is very bright when you catch it.

128 Joan  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:46:31pm

My blog got deleted. It had been a long time since I updated, at some point I must have decided not to blog independently, but hang around here. It is very lively here (heh-heh didn't I roll my eyes and call it a fistfight just the other day).

It is so difficult to run even a simple forum, imagine the work put in by real Fourth Estate folks, like Charles.

Through some fluke, I salvaged one or two posts. So starting over. Had to come up with another domain name. What the heck. Wish me luck, there is one film review I'm actually fond of, hope I can find it. It's more interesting here, but now and then the Muse seizes me. Fortunately, I'm harmless.

129 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:46:43pm

re: #125 SurferDoc

OK, looking at the page you posted more carefully, #93 is most likely what I have.

We have panned for gold in the Eastern Sierras and we dry-panned in our own desert here. However, back in the days when everyone had assault rifles, I took more money out of the desert in brass than most amateur miners ever got in gold. ;)

Thanks for the invite. If you ever come to the Mojave I will be happy to take you to some places we have found.

The gas pockets will give it away every time. The only time you will find evidence of molten material in an meteorite is in a pallasite, which is a piece of an planetoid from the area between the molten iron core and the stoney mantle.

I'll take you up on the desert visit some time. A lot of cool things for the taking out there.

130 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:47:11pm

re: #119 LeePro

ok, I don't want to sound awkward, or weird, but there's something which touches my heart in that picture. I don't know what it is, can't put my finger on it, but it conveys a state of being which moves me.
Well I'm all visual, I'm a painter, so I might over react on it, but it seems to represent you in a very true moment.

131 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:49:44pm

no shoppers online 2nite?

maybe I'll check the thread again in the AM.

night, all.

132 SurferDoc  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:49:50pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

The gas pockets will give it away every time. The only time you will find evidence of molten material in an meteorite is in a pallasite, which is a piece of an planetoid from the area between the molten iron core and the stoney mantle.

I'll take you up on the desert visit some time. A lot of cool things for the taking out there.

I've got some pics of stone tools on this page. I'm going to be putting up some petroglyph pictures soon.

[Link: abouttime.yuku.com...]

133 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:49:55pm

re: #123 BlueCanuck

Think it's a refrence to this.

hope not, thought it might be a reference to this

134 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:50:08pm

re: #127 Nightwatch

Just for the thread, Did ya see the space station tonight?
Traversed the North-Western sky after dusk tracking to the South like a bright star but MOVING not like any aircraft in the sky, just very different from anything else? Heads-up from my friends at JPL allowed me to walk out of the ambulance bay at the E.R I was working at just in time to see it's passing. It is very bright when you catch it.

You can find information about ISS transits on [Link: www.spaceweather.com...]

135 Nightwatch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:50:49pm

re: #84 redc1c4


Come on, purple is for MED-E-VAC is it not?

136 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:51:19pm

re: #130 2by2

I'd buy her a drink. :D

137 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:52:10pm

re: #136 boogberg

I'd buy her a drink. :D

will do that too.........

138 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:52:53pm

I just peeked at my avatar. What is the 'Karma' for?

139 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:54:46pm

re: #138 Cygnus

Updings - downdings. Shows how good and liked by other lizards you are.

140 2by2  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:55:19pm

re: #135 Nightwatch

what is it this or this?

141 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:55:31pm

re: #132 SurferDoc

I've got some pics of stone tools on this page. I'm going to be putting up some petroglyph pictures soon.

[Link: abouttime.yuku.com...]

Ok, you got me hooked. I've been hanging around the mountains for so long, I forget that the desert is just as amazing.

The only pictures I was confused about is the red and then a silver jeep. Which one was yours/you?

Did you find the lost caverns?

142 boogberg  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:57:34pm

re: #138 Cygnus

I just peeked at my avatar. What is the 'Karma' for?

I'll tell you, but you have to gimme some of yours first! :D

143 infopimp  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:57:39pm

Random link for late night surfers...

Buddy Rich Live at the Muppets Show

144 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:57:43pm

re: #132 SurferDoc

And if you are ever in my territory, remember, we have the School of Mines right here in Golden, a lot of nice stuff there open to the public. Golden was the jumping off point for all the mining activity of the late 1850's onward.

You can't walk ten feet around here without running into mining history.

145 LeePro  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:58:28pm

re: #130 2by2

ok, I don't want to sound awkward, or weird, but there's something which touches my heart in that picture. I don't know what it is, can't put my finger on it, but it conveys a state of being which moves me.
Well I'm all visual, I'm a painter, so I might over react on it, but it seems to represent you in a very true moment.

That is just about the sweetest sentiment anyone has ever given me. You have just lifted my spirits immeasurably!

That pic was taken at a particularly warm moment in my life. I was with an old friend of more that a half-century. We are still friends today.

Interesting, you being a painter, that you should say these things about that pic. Just recently another very old friend (also an artist) asked my permission to do a charcoal drawing of it as a gift to me.

Another coincidence... I, too, am an artist. Don't do much painting, but have done some charcoal, and love pen-and-ink. Lean more toward mechanical art --- commercial/graphic design --- retired now.

146 Nightwatch  Tue, Dec 9, 2008 11:59:54pm

re: #138 Cygnus


O K? what the is this KARMA?

Be advised, if you reveal this to the nightwatch you may be banned.
I have not figured out this little add-on from Sir Charles yet.

147 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:01am

Oh noes- Is iz registrd @ lolcats!

148 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:09am

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

Ok, you got me hooked. I've been hanging around the mountains for so long, I forget that the desert is just as amazing.

The only pictures I was confused about is the red and then a silver jeep. Which one was yours/you?

Did you find the lost caverns?

The silver Rubicon is mine. The red one belongs to a guy at the Rubicon owners' forum. I just reposted the pics of the red one for my friends. They are pretty spectacular shots.

We haven't been able to get up into the area where the mine is supposed to be yet. We went out over Thanksgiving and the rain had flooded the approach to the canyon and I didn't feel like washing mud out from under the Jeep for days afterward so now we are waiting a few weeks for the road to dry out. We are going to a rough area in the South Panamint range
via Coyote Canyon.

149 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:52am

re: #147 Sharmuta

Oh noes- Is iz registrd @ lolcats!

Ok, I was going to bed and I see your post. I'm not into the cats thing, but I won't be able to sleep unless you tell me what the heck you said there.

150 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:03:27am

re: #133 2by2

hope not, thought it might be a reference to this

I believe you've got it!

Background characters, second from left.

151 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:05:57am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

I broke down and registered at lolcat so I could make funny pictures like this.

/Not a Sharmuta creation linked above

152 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:07:11am

re: #148 SurferDoc

The silver Rubicon is mine. The red one belongs to a guy at the Rubicon owners' forum. I just reposted the pics of the red one for my friends. They are pretty spectacular shots.

We haven't been able to get up into the area where the mine is supposed to be yet. We went out over Thanksgiving and the rain had flooded the approach to the canyon and I didn't feel like washing mud out from under the Jeep for days afterward so now we are waiting a few weeks for the road to dry out. We are going to a rough area in the South Panamint range
via Coyote Canyon.

Gosh, I miss being able to get out to the outdoors like that. So many things have changed in my life, I can't afford to spend the money to do things like that anymore.

But I still live in a good area, close enough to see and touch a little natural history. Just can't do the big trips anymore.

153 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:07:52am

re: #136 boogberg

I'd buy her a drink. :D

re: #137 2by2

will do that too.........

Oh, my! Oh, my!

This is a helluva time to celebrate 20-years-sober (next May!).

What's a girl to do?

154 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:09:00am

re: #151 Sharmuta

I broke down and registered at lolcat so I could make funny pictures like this.

/Not a Sharmuta creation linked above

Ok, now I understand. Well, on that note, to bed.

Night all.

155 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:09:02am

Here it is, my very first lolcat.

156 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:10:11am

re: #146 Nightwatch

O K? what the is this KARMA?

Be advised, if you reveal this to the nightwatch you may be banned.
I have not figured out this little add-on from Sir Charles yet.

re: #138 Cygnus

I just peeked at my avatar. What is the 'Karma' for?

It is the sum total of your up-dings minus down-dings.

;)

157 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:10:43am

re: #148 SurferDoc

Oh, by the way, if you click on my name, go to my website and if you want to email me your address, I will send you a package, free of charge, or some real meteorite pieces, with informational material included.

A number of Lizards have received these "gifts" over the years, I extend my offer to you.

158 2by2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:03am

re: #145 LeePro

Lee, glad to hear that, was already worried that I overstepped the boundaries here, just had that feeling when I pulled up the picture, noticed it before, but when I looked at it tonight clearly felt the vibe coming out of it.
Mostly doing figure paintings, but portraits have been a constant for me for the past 30 years, always in the same format, always frontal and I'm trying to be as true to what I'm seeing as possible, sometimes seeing more.

159 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:18am

re: #155 Sharmuta

Here it is, my very first lolcat.

ROTFLMAO!

160 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:58am

re: #155 Sharmuta

Here it is, my very first lolcat.

Now you got me confused. I was going to bed, satisfied that I understood all this and then you link to that picture.

Where the fuck is the cat? Or should I say where is the fucking cat? And I didn't know you were pro-creation?

I'm so confused.

161 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:13:31am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

Gosh, I miss being able to get out to the outdoors like that. So many things have changed in my life, I can't afford to spend the money to do things like that anymore.

But I still live in a good area, close enough to see and touch a little natural history. Just can't do the big trips anymore.

I consider myself fortunate that I can still get out there. I love being able to see and touch history, also. Getting that Rubicon was a step toward eliminating any excuses I had to not go out there. THe previuos Jeep I had didn't have enough guts for the rough trails out there.
It's only a forty mile trip to the Panamints and who knows, maybe the caverns are more than just an old legend. I plan to keep going out there until I can't anymore. With luck that ought to be more than a few years.

162 2by2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:02am

re: #153 LeePro

Oh, my! Oh, my!

This is a helluva time to celebrate 20-years-sober (next May!).

What's a girl to do?

love that pic, you got it.
thanks for being here, you made my day/night as well.

163 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:54am

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

Oh, by the way, if you click on my name, go to my website and if you want to email me your address, I will send you a package, free of charge, or some real meteorite pieces, with informational material included.

A number of Lizards have received these "gifts" over the years, I extend my offer to you.

Thank you. I will do that.

164 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:16:40am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Walter- icanhazcheeseburger (lolcats) also has pics of other animals, even celebrities.

165 boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:17:28am

re: #153 LeePro

Oh, my! Oh, my!

This is a helluva time to celebrate 20-years-sober (next May!).

What's a girl to do?

I swear, I was just thinking 'what if LeePro doesn't drink?'

I kid you not. But then I realized she would have made it clear when I said "would you care for a cocktail before dinner?"

166 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:21:09am

re: #164 Sharmuta

Walter- icanhazcheeseburger (lolcats) also has pics of other animals, even celebrities.

Holy shit, that kitten with the sprig of broccoli was scary. I think something strange is happening with our pets, right under our noses and we don't know it.

We see it as "cute," I see it as a fifth column.

167 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:21:23am

re: #158 2by2

Wow! Great textures.
I like the (charcoal? pencil? pen/ink? combo?) drawings best.

Did you know your link "on 9/11 5th anniversary" isn't working?

168 Sloppy  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:23:02am

Re #153 - LeePro

Early congrats on 20 years. Keep comin' back.

169 Nightwatch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:23:32am

re: #140 2by2

Come now, it is that obvious to you is it not? He painted the "NIGHTWATCH" to show the commitment of the locals to protect their city. I thought it an appropo avatar since my neighbors in MY community already know me to be the man with the modern day "pike" standing watch on their street. Even LAPD Air Units know my profile. So the avatar.

170 2by2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:24:33am

re: #167 LeePro

Wow! Great textures.
I like the (charcoal? pencil? pen/ink? combo?) drawings best.

Did you know your link "on 9/11 5th anniversary" isn't working?

thanks,
yeah, I need to overhaul the whole site, have not updated it for quite some time, too much real world things to do.

171 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:24:38am

re: #159 LeePro

ROTFLMAO!

a buff blow up doll?

172 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:25:29am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

I once had a cat that liked raw broccoli.

173 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:25:35am

re: #165 boogberg

I swear, I was just thinking 'what if LeePro doesn't drink?'

I kid you not. But then I realized she would have made it clear when I said "would you care for a cocktail before dinner?"

I'd probably just innocently order my "usual"... ginger & tonic with lime wedge. Looks like a cocktail, nobody bugs me!

Heh.

174 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:28:12am

re: #168 Sloppy

Re #153 - LeePro

Early congrats on 20 years. Keep comin' back.

Heh. Thanks! It's gonna be a BIG one [wondering how to celebrate...?]

Forgot your count... remind me?

Keep comin' back... LOVE the universality! It's the same ALL OVER THE WORLD ! ! !

175 2by2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:31:04am

re: #169 Nightwatch

Come now, it is that obvious to you is it not? He painted the "NIGHTWATCH" to show the commitment of the locals to protect their city. I thought it an appropo avatar since my neighbors in MY community already know me to be the man with the modern day "pike" standing watch on their street. Even LAPD Air Units know my profile. So the avatar.

cool, I really appreciate this.
I'll take it that you're a cop; I don't believe that many of your colleagues would refer to the Nightwatch as their sign of the trade.
Hey, only on LGF!

176 Nightwatch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:33:54am

re: #173 LeePro

re: #156 LeePro

Please give a poor boy a break...

177 2by2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:34:22am

Got to catch some shut eye,
great conversation, thanks all and G'nite Lizards.

178 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:35:23am

re: #169 Nightwatch

Come now, it is that obvious to you is it not? He painted the "NIGHTWATCH" to show the commitment of the locals to protect their city. I thought it an appropo avatar since my neighbors in MY community already know me to be the man with the modern day "pike" standing watch on their street. Even LAPD Air Units know my profile. So the avatar.

So, was I right?

179 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:36:06am

re: #171 yochanan

a buff blow up doll?

Hunh?

180 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:39:11am

Nite, All!

181 boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:40:20am

That Rembrandt painting is cool.

182 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:40:29am

well the buffalo is trying to mount a scupture of a buffalo a buff blow up doll made of bronze.

183 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:40:44am

re: #176 Nightwatch

re: #173 LeePro

re: #156 LeePro

Please give a poor boy a break...

what.

184 Nightwatch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:41:22am

re: #175 2by2

No, I have no Badge, I am only a citizen, with a very proficent use of arms (military) I just have bigger stones than the rest of my neighbors, and they love me for it......:) MY wife....she wishes I would keep my stones in the bedroom!...;].

185 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:41:37am

re: #177 2by2

Got to catch some shut eye,
great conversation, thanks all and G'nite Lizards.

'Nite, 2by2!
Thanks again for the upswing!

186 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:43:49am

re: #169 Nightwatch

Sorry to intrude, but is it this one painting that you rightfully admire or do you (as I do) have an affinity for the Dutch masters in general? And increasingly, we need more citizens to carry the "pike".

187 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:45:50am

re: #184 Nightwatch

No, I have no Badge, I am only a citizen, with a very proficent use of arms (military) I just have bigger stones than the rest of my neighbors, and they love me for it......:) MY wife....she wishes I would keep my stones in the bedroom!...;].

I knew it! See?
I KNEW we could turn this into a male-body-parts thread if we really tried!

188 boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:49:51am

In my case, boulders. :D

189 LeePro  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:07:58am

Bedtime...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

'Nite, {Lizards}!

190 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:08:32am

Night {LeePro}, weet dreams.

191 Joan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:11:07am

re: #3 psyop

Crap, I need sleep.

I can hold out another 90 minutes, close enough to official morning, then I'll catch a few zzzzzz

/do I want an alarm system? yes
//do I want a firearm? shotgun: yes handgun: yes, but my other half would freak out totally and foam at the mouth if I got either one

192 steve  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:11:55am

OT rant: I would like to toss all 3 of my supervisors and their manager out the door. I bid on a different position in a different department(more money) and they refuse to let me go because "I am to valuable."

"Okay", says I, then make it worth my while to stay.

They replied, we can let you go at any time.

"Then I must not be as valuable as you say so how about letting be go to the other department."

Cannot do that, says they. And then they walk off.

C**p company.

193 steve  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:13:35am

re: #191 Joan

I can hold out another 90 minutes, close enough to official morning, then I'll catch a few zzzzzz

/do I want an alarm system? yes
//do I want a firearm? shotgun: yes handgun: yes, but my other half would freak out totally and foam at the mouth if I got either one


Take your other half out shooting and see what happens.

194 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:19:19am

re: #192 steve

Dude. Now is not the time to fuck with your employers. It's not an employee's market.

195 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:22:14am

re: #194 Boogberg

Your right, but some companies are like that. I myself made a few requests of transfer, but they seem to fall on deaf ears. Think most managers are lazy and don't want to deal with some issues.

196 rightside  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:26:16am

Fruitcup should be here soon!

197 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:26:43am

re: #196 rightside

Morning rightside. You're in early today.

198 Joan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:27:24am

re: #193 steve

good idea.

199 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:28:14am

Speaking of cats, here's a cat doing escape and evasion exercises:

Dog chasing Cat

Mwahahahaha! :D

200 rightside  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:33:57am

re: #197 BlueCanuck

Morning BC, actually, I have been here all night, just rarely posting. Working midnights this and next week.

201 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:38:23am

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Your right, but some companies are like that. I myself made a few requests of transfer, but they seem to fall on deaf ears. Think most managers are lazy and don't want to deal with some issues.

I understand that. But you have to be realistic here. I work for a small company. We had 50 employees three months ago. now we have 24. It's really not the time to show your ass. Pick up a newspaper, if you don't believe me.

202 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:40:01am

re: #201 Boogberg

Oh, I believe you. But my requests were made starting almost a year ago, and before the economy fell in the crapper.

203 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:50:08am

re: #202 BlueCanuck

Aren't you thankful to have a job now though? My fucking supervisor got laid off for crying out loud! My advice: Be as productive as you can and keep your mouth shut.

204 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:59:04am

kitty doesn't want solider to leave

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

205 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:59:32am

All this talk about how crappy the economy is has me hankering for a fruitcup stimulus plan....

206 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

207 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:00:36am

Good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

208 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:01:30am

Fenway! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

209 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:03:09am

Jeez, LoL.....can you imagine the Dems having the CEOs of Chiquita Brands, Dole and Tropicana grovelling for a lifeline like they did with the big 3 automakers?

210 rightside  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:05:04am

Yay! Fruitcup!

211 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:05:53am

sleep calls

212 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:05:55am

Any strawberries in fruit cup this morning? I love strawberries.

213 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:05:58am

re: #209 Fenway_Nation

Jeez, LoL.....can you imagine the Dems having the CEOs of Chiquita Brands, Dole and Tropicana grovelling for a lifeline like they did with the big 3 automakers?

Are they still American companies?

/I better hush up or I'll be giving those furrin' companies ideas...

214 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:06:21am

Kitten Break!

[Link: www.dailykitten.com...]

215 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:06:52am

re: #206 littleoldlady

Dear lady, do I still get fruit cup despite my Karma?

216 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:07:42am

rightside! :-)

Boogberg! :-)

Sure, strawberries. Why not? Blueberries, too. Hey, let's go for broke (literally) and throw in some rasperries and blackberries...

;-)

217 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:08:03am

re: #206 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

Morning lol thanks for fruitcup.

218 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:08:56am

re: #215 fiat_lux

Dear lady, do I still get fruit cup despite my Karma?

Holy cannoli! What did you do?!

219 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:09:07am

re: #213 littleoldlady


Actually, I think Tropicana or MinuteMaid are wholly owned subsidiaries of Coke. Alot of the large-scale pineapple cultivation has moved from Hawaii to the Philippines. Not to mention I think they had Chiquita in mind when they coined the term 'Banana Republic'....

220 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:09:19am

Erik! :-)

221 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:09:41am

re: #215 fiat_lux

You have to ding the fruitcup.

222 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:09:59am

re: #218 littleoldlady

Holy cannoli! What did you do?!

Fiat likes to have fun on the ID threads with Salimantis and Sham.

223 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:10:01am

re: #218 littleoldlady

Holy cannoli! What did you do?!

Take a wild guess.....

224 rightside  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:10:35am

re: #216 littleoldlady

{lol}

225 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:10:49am

re: #222 Erik The Red

Fiat likes to have fun on the ID threads with Salimantis and ShamSharmuta.

226 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:11:24am

re: #215 fiat_lux

Last time I saw a karma that low the poster was banned. 0_o

227 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:11:59am

re: #214 Jewels (AKA Julian)

The Daily Kitten runs on WordPress and sunshine and lollipops.

That's cute.

228 Mel Lono  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:14:26am

re: #218 littleoldlady

Sorry I'm late.. morning maam. Wait.... how can I be late?.. it's early.

229 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:15:09am

Hiya Mel! :-)

There is no "late". There's just dark:30...

230 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:15:35am

re: #220 littleoldlady

Erik! :-)

(((Lady)))))))) Ta for the fruit cup...:)

231 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:16:41am

Dustyvet! :-)

232 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:16:41am

re: #230 Dustyvet

Dusty morning

233 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:17:07am

re: #232 Erik The Red

Dusty morning

Morning Red

234 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:17:17am

Dear Lady, I have offended many senior lizards. Due to my inarticulateness and my temper ,I have become a pariah. I do not waver on my beliefs I just wish I were able to express them more artciulately.

235 Mel Lono  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:17:17am

re: #229 littleoldlady

Hiya Mel! :-)

There is no "late". There's just dark:30...

Used to call that 0'dark 30 lol.

236 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:19:33am

A Grand Good Morning from the most corrupt state in the Union...ILLINOIS!

237 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:19:33am

Thanks for the fruitcup, lol.

You may have missed it, but I created my first ever lolcat, though, it's not a cat.

*Do not click link with food or liquid in mouth as spewing may result.*

238 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:19:49am

re: #235 Mel Lono

Used to call that 0'dark 30 lol.

O'dark 30? We used to call it O'dark hundred.

/no sleeping in for us.

239 Mel Lono  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:19:49am

re: #234 fiat_lux

Dear Lady, I have offended many senior lizards. Due to my inarticulateness and my temper ,I have become a pariah. I do not waver on my beliefs I just wish I were able to express them more artciulately.

articularily. Fixed that for ya...
Bushmills neat, please.

240 Mel Lono  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:21:41am

re: #238 BlueCanuck

O'dark 30? We used to call it O'dark hundred.

/no sleeping in for us.

you are correct, sir. midwatch had to be up a 1/2 hr early or the 'rats would be gone.

241 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:22:02am

re: #236 Dustyvet

In your face, Louisiana!

242 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:22:32am

re: #228 Mel Lono

Sorry I'm late.. morning maam. Wait.... how can I be late?.. it's early.

If you like fruitcup, don't be late. :D

243 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:22:44am

re: #234 fiat_lux

You can have fruitcup if you promise to behave.

/I'm afraid you'll starve otherwise! ;-)

Hissy fits on the Dead Thread are particularly annoying.
Bring up creationism here and I'll be borrowing Mandy's 2x4 to use on you...

244 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:23:08am

re: #235 Mel Lono

I'm non-military. ;-)

245 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:23:16am

re: #239 Mel Lono

Thank you, I was goong to for speed. Old Bushmills is still my favorite.

246 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:23:17am

re: #241 Fenway_Nation

In your face, Louisiana!

But I live in Illinois...:) And just what the hell am I grinning about?

247 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:23:44am

re: #236 Dustyvet

A Grand Good Morning from the most corrupt state in the Union...ILLINOIS!

re: #241 Fenway_Nation

In your face, Louisiana!

In both your faces. You can't get much worse than Africa. You guys are still using training wheels.

248 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:24:04am

re: #237 Sharmuta

Bwahahaha!

Thanks for the warning. ;-)

249 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:24:33am

re: #244 littleoldlady

I'm non-military. ;-)

Okay we will now teach lady close order drill...right shoulder fruit cup!

250 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:25:10am

re: #247 Erik The Red

In both your faces. You can't get much worse than Africa. You guys are still using training wheels.

I like training wheels...:)

251 Mel Lono  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:27:00am

re: #245 fiat_lux

Thank you, I was goong to for speed. Old Bushmills is still my favorite.

At the risk of crossing the line, have you tried Black Bush?

252 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:27:51am

re: #251 Mel Lono

At the risk of crossing the line, have you tried Black Bush?

SOCIALIST!

253 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:27:57am

re: #247 Erik The Red

Can I make up a country?

254 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:28:46am

re: #253 Fenway_Nation

Can I make up a country?

Grand Fenwick!

255 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:28:59am

re: #253 Fenway_Nation

Can I make up a country?

Hell I'm not the rule master. Knock yourself out.

256 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:29:22am

re: #225 Erik The Red

I do. Until I have to apologize to both when my frustration surfaces. I am not proud of that.

257 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:31:02am

re: #254 Dustyvet

Grand Fenwick!

Grand Duchess Gloriana: How did the war go?
Tulley Bascombe: Well, this is a bit of a surprise. A pleasant one, I hope. I think we've won.

258 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:32:03am

re: #226 BlueCanuck

I am shocked that I am still around. I remain for the Grace of Charles and my desire for fruit cup.

259 Mel Lono  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:32:23am

Black Bush
#1 on my Christmas list

260 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:33:26am

re: #256 fiat_lux

I believe your major mistake was not leaving that thread when (was it Erik the Red) invited you to, to come to the open thread for redemption. IMHO.

261 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:34:04am

re: #254 Dustyvet

It shall be a sultry, tropical, resource-rich South American country with plenty of sunshine, coastline and goregeous Latinas. Once that pesky socialist dictator 'accidently' die during a freak margharita-blending accent, his cadres will be eliminated in a popular uprising and I will take the opportunity to seize power.

And I shall call this glorious nation Fenwayzuela.....

262 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:34:54am

re: #258 fiat_lux

I am shocked that I am still around. I remain for the Grace of Charles and my desire for fruit cup.

Stay away from the ID threads. Your karma may slowly go up and your blood pressure will go down.

263 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:35:25am

re: #221 Sharmuta

I did!

264 Mel Lono  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:36:26am

It's an official Dead thread

Uncle John's Band, a classic ending.

265 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:36:35am

re: #261 Fenway_Nation

Lol. 10 point to Fenway. 100 if there are nymphs aplenty.

266 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:38:17am

re: #260 Pietr

I believe your major mistake was not leaving that thread when (was it Erik the Red) invited you to, to come to the open thread for redemption. IMHO.

For the love of littleoldlady, I'm going to refrain from comment.

So.... how about them [your area sports team here]?

267 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:40:34am

re: #266 Sharmuta

THANK YOU!

/it wasn't my *smack*/threat was it? ;-)

268 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:41:02am

re: #266 Sharmuta

Well there's rumours of a sports team here in Toronto, but I don't believe it.

269 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:41:02am

re: #247 Erik The Red

In both your faces. You can't get much worse than Africa. You guys are still using training wheels.

Just one example of our corruption.Happen this morning

270 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:41:16am

re: #266 Sharmuta

For the love of littleoldlady, I'm going to refrain from comment.

So.... how about them [your area sports team here]?

I think it would be good for my new-found nation's morale if Fenwayzuela's World Cup Team does better than their entry to the second World Baseball Classic....

271 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:41:38am

re: #267 littleoldlady

See?! I *am* capable of self-restraint. ;p

272 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:42:05am

re: #262 Erik The Red

Wise counsel. I will comment, but I will not engage in strident debate.

273 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:42:46am

re: #268 BlueCanuck


Well...there are the Blue Jays, but you won't be seeing hide nor hair of them 'til spring training....

274 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:43:12am

My kinda Black Bush :D

275 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:43:48am

re: #266 Sharmuta

Spurs/NBA...Beat Dallas Mavs in 2x OT tonite. Since we've got Manu Ginobli and Tony Parker back healthy, they're picking up.

Steelers/NFL...seem to be cruising along right now. Any favorite team for you, Ma'm?

276 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:43:52am

re: #251 Mel Lono

Nay, I will look it up though.

277 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:43:55am

How 'bout dem Phillies?!

/that has to last me for about 30 years... :-/

278 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:44:32am

re: #277 littleoldlady

How 'bout dem Phillies?!

/that has to last me for about 30 years... :-/

Horsies?

279 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:44:43am

re: #268 BlueCanuck

Speaking of bad karma... there was still action on the Nirther thread into this (last?) evening.

280 Mel Lono  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:46:46am

re: #274 Boogberg

Was that Dennis Miller getting the twirl? YaH.

281 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:47:14am

Well- in local sports here, Hefty Smurf kicked the crap out of Jokey Smurf for like the smurftieth time.

282 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:47:39am

re: #278 Dustyvet

Horsies?

Neigh. ;-)

283 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:48:38am

re: #279 Sharmuta

Yeah, I heard someone mention that earlier today. Some people just don't know when to quit. Must be some short circuit that makes them start thinking in loops or something.

284 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:49:12am

re: #282 littleoldlady

Neigh. ;-)

Awww, Wilbur!

285 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:50:02am

re: #281 Sharmuta


That's just smurfed-up.

286 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:50:03am

re: #281 Sharmuta

Well- in local sports here, Hefty Smurf kicked the crap out of Jokey Smurf for like the smurftieth time.

Hefty always did have a wicked left hook...:)

287 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:50:46am

re: #284 Dustyvet

Awww, Wilbur!

Hello!

288 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:50:59am

re: #286 Dustyvet

Hefty always did have a wicked left hook...:)

and Jokey's got a glass jaw...:)

289 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:51:00am

re: #283 BlueCanuck

Yeah, I heard someone mention that earlier today. Some people just don't know when to quit. Must be some short circuit that makes them start thinking in loops or something.

What possible enjoyment can be had by going to a dead thread to ding and or comment? It's like talking to yourself and agreeing with everything you say.

290 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:52:04am

re: #280 Mel Lono

Was that Dennis Miller getting the twirl? YaH.

Now that you mention it, I think it was. Holy crap. He looks like a frikken teenager! :D

291 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:52:05am

re: #289 Erik The Red

Simple pleasures for simple minds?

292 rightside  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:53:04am

leaves a hello for goddess, dorian, HH, and realwest.

293 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:53:44am

re: #287 littleoldlady

Hello!

Do you remember The Talking Mule, with Donald O'Conner? O'Conner left the role when he discovered that the mule got more fan mail then he did...:)

294 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:54:56am

re: #223 Sharmuta

re: #260 Pietr

I don't remember. I might have missed that.

295 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:55:29am

re: #293 Dustyvet

Francis, the Talking Mule-a Male-hence the 'I' in the name.

296 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:57:00am

re: #295 Pietr

Francis, the Talking Mule-a Male-hence the 'I' in the name.

Thanks...:)

297 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:57:49am

re: #293 Dustyvet

I don't, but YouTube does! ;-)

/very handy for those of us with nearly non-stop Senior Moments.

Donald O'Connor never got the kudos for the talent he had, IMO.

298 Crux Australis  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:57:57am

Greetings from Sydney, Australia. It's nearly 10pm on a warm and humid Wednesday night. It has been raining continuously for the last 9-10 hours. I love it. Australia needs all the rain it can get. Some places have been in drought for NINE years.

299 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:58:43am

re: #298 Crux Australis

Morning Crux

300 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:58:52am

re: #296 Dustyvet

Thanks...:)

301 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:59:02am

Crux! :-)

Raining here, too.

/godforbid we should get rain in the summer when I'm actually trying to grow things!

302 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:00:54am

Well- you know Jokey- he just can't help himself some days. Well- it wasn't the best day to select Hefty for a joke (is it ever?).

But- what's worse is now we in Smurf Village have Homeland Security breathing down our necks.

303 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:01:41am

re: #302 Sharmuta

Well- you know Jokey- he just can't help himself some days. Well- it wasn't the best day to select Hefty for a joke (is it ever?).

But- what's worse is now we in Smurf Village have Homeland Security breathing down our necks.

And which wee Smurf be in charge of that?

304 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:02:31am

re: #283 BlueCanuck

Yeah, I heard someone mention that earlier today. Some people just don't know when to quit. Must be some short circuit that makes them start thinking in loops or something.

There seems to be plenty of that going around, Blue.

305 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:02:35am

re: #293 Dustyvet

The mules voice was supplied by Chill Wills.

306 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:02:55am

Ok late to thread and all, but after Weezer's last single Trouble Maker, I'm not feeling that wild about them.

307 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:03:35am

Good morning, lgf.

308 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:04:42am

Good Morning Spare O'Lake. It's almost my night, only two hours till shifts end, and it's my Friday. OH YEAH!

309 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:04:48am

Trivia question (since littleoldlady supplied the Link)...who did the voice for Francis the Talking mule? You should know this one....:.)

310 Crux Australis  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:04:57am

re: #301 littleoldlady

Anything grows in Australia in the summer. You can almost see the grass grow as you look at it.

311 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:05:46am

re: #305 fiat_lux

The mules voice was supplied by Chill Wills.

Didn't know that never even heard of the show. Before my time. Enjoyed the clip. How many shows were made?

312 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:06:04am

re: #305 fiat_lux

Answered my trivia question while I was typing it.....LOL-winner!

313 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:06:27am

re: #303 Dustyvet

And which wee Smurf be in charge of that?

Brainy.

314 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:07:47am

re: #281 Sharmuta

Well- in local sports here, Hefty Smurf kicked the crap out of Jokey Smurf for like the smurftieth time.

Well the rumour I heard was that it was all brought on by matches or something.

315 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:08:18am
316 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:09:46am

re: #311 Erik The Red

Didn't know that never even heard of the show. Before my time. Enjoyed the clip. How many shows were made?

* Francis (1950) (aka Francis the Talking Mule)
* Francis Goes to the Races (1951)
* Francis Goes to West Point (1952)
* Francis Covers the Big Town (1953)
* Francis Joins the WACS (1954)
* Francis in the Navy (1955)
* Francis in the Haunted House (1956}

317 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:10:40am

re: #313 Sharmuta

Brainy.

Brainy's a good lad...:)

318 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:11:20am

re: #316 Dustyvet

A series of seven movies....Dunno that it made a TV series ever.

319 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:12:38am

re: #315 Sharmuta

What Smurf are you?

I can't believe I just did that. Thanks Sharmuta
Erik The Red becomes...

320 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:12:53am

re: #318 Pietr

A series of seven movies....Dunno that it made a TV series ever.

No all movies.

The seventh and final entry in the series, Francis in the Haunted House, was made without any of the key creative personnel. Leonard Maltin, in most editions of his Movie Guide, says O'Connor quit, quoting the actor, "When you've made six pictures and the mule still gets more fan mail than you do...."

321 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:13:01am

Ok so here's some shameless advice seeking, but since y'all seem to very level headed people it seems to be a good place to look for it. My brother is back from South Korea on leave. He is in the Army and has been married for roughly a year and a half. He is twenty one and his wife is thirty six. She has been cheating on him for six months and he found this out the day he got back. He has been mulling over divorce for the last few days and can't make a definitive decision. I normally would suggest counseling and what not to him, but she is a very mean and self-centered person. She treats him very badly (hence the cheating), and I would like to be able to tip the scale for him, but don't want to seem bias or pit him against me.

P.S. I know it's a lot to ask from a group that I have just recently met, but time is limited and I have been a lurker for so long sometimes I am more emboldened than I should be.

Thank you

322 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:13:19am

re: #316 Dustyvet

Thanks will try and find them later tonite.

323 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:14:03am

re: #322 Erik The Red

Thanks will try and find them later tonite.

Your welcome.

324 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:15:03am
325 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:15:20am

re: #321 WestTexas

From a lurker that has been divorced, twice, anything that can save the marriage is worth it.

326 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:15:20am

re: #314 BlueCanuck

Well the rumour I heard was that it was all brought on by matches or something.

Jokey's presents go boom.

327 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:15:36am

re: #321 WestTexas

Dump the bitch.

328 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:17:05am

Looks like the Canadian Liberal Party has finally resolved its leadership issues with Dion having agreed to resign immediately and with Michael Ignatieff now being the only remaining leadership candidate since Bob Rae dropped out yesterday.
Watch for Ignatieff to be anointed by Liberal caucus and the party executive by today or tomorrow.

329 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:17:43am

re: #243 littleoldlady

Thank you dear lady, I will retire for the night. I will be more circumspect in what I post.

330 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:20:09am

re: #312 Pietr

That was before google. I t was part of my childhood.

331 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:20:09am

re: #321 WestTexas

I would suggest counseling- for him, so he can be okay with or without her.

332 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:20:14am

Damn. I'm Grouchy!

/I'm not "set in my ways" because I'm Grouchy. I'm set in my ways because I'm OLD. That's what us OLD PEOPLE do!

Can I take the test again tomorrow of I'm in a better mood? :-(

333 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:20:14am

re: #321 WestTexas

Ouch, I would suggest the divorce route. If she's cheated on him, is cruel and mean, that's one person he doesn't need in his life. Especially if he's in the military.

/why do divorces cost so much? Because they're worth it.

334 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:20:50am

re: #330 fiat_lux

My childhood is faster than google!

335 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:21:28am

re: #332 littleoldlady

That's okay. I got two pop-ups that said I was Grouchy and Brainy. :D

336 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:21:43am

re: #325 Stonemason

re: #327 Erik The Red

Ok well it's very in depth I like Eric the Reds attitude, but then again I am extremely biased. They don't have children yet, and so far since he went to the service he has sent every pay check home to her, and only kept a hundred dollars a month to himself. She has nothing to show for it. Their apartment looks like a crack den. It's very upsetting.

337 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:21:58am

re: #332 littleoldlady

Damn. I'm Grouchy!

/I'm not "set in my ways" because I'm Grouchy. I'm set in my ways because I'm OLD. That's what us OLD PEOPLE do!

Can I take the test again tomorrow of I'm in a better mood? :-(

I heard my wife crying in the bathroom. 'Honey? What's wrong' I asked.

'Oh, George! Just look at me: I'm getting so old! I have more gray in my hair than blonde, I have varicose veins on both of my legs, and I'm just fat and wrinkled all over! I really need someone to say something positive about me right now!'

I looked deeply into her eyes and said softly: 'Your vision's real good, honey. That's something, isn't it?'

And that's when the fight started....

338 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:22:14am

re: #335 Sharmuta

So, according to the site you have a split personality.

/honest that's what it says at the bottom under the click button.

339 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:22:38am

re: #328 Spare O'Lake

Are they still gonna go after Harper all willy-nilly?

If I was a Canuck, I'd be sure to have a mouthful of whiskey so I could do an adequate spit-take should some Liberal try to explain to me that forming a coalition government with the Green Party and A Political Party Dedicated to The Dissolution of Canada would be in the best interest of the Dominion.....

340 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:22:55am

re: #335 Sharmuta

Hello Sharmuta, big fan. FYI i'm a painter smurf.

341 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:24:29am

re: #337 Dustyvet

Heh™

The only thing I have going for me is that talloldman is nearly blind...

342 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:25:14am

re: #335 Sharmuta

I didn't even know there was a manic Boston sports fanatic smurf....

343 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:26:01am

Plus he found out that she was cheating because when he came home the guy was there. Not by accident either, he lives there and has for a couple of months. It's pretty sick and something you would only see out of the worst rednecks. He understandably freaked out, but now she has done a number sweet talking him. I just fear that if it continues it will only get worse.

344 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:26:54am

re: #340 WestTexas

Aww- thanks.

Look- all I can say about other people's relationships is your brother needs to be honest with himself. Can't live a lie. I know- I've tried. It doesn't work. Sounds to me like that might be what's going on for him. Though he may be an honest person, it's possible to deceive yourself. That's why I suggest he talk to a professional.

345 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:28:02am

re: #336 WestTexas

re: #343 WestTexas

WTH? She managed to sweet talk him after all that? Borrow Mandy's clue-by-four and straigthen him out. I think she only married him to get at his pay cheque. What history about her do you know?

/15 year difference is telling as well.

346 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:30:00am

Morning all. Sharmuta, do you ever sleep?

Most Presidents don't have scandals until they've been inaugurated. Barry hasn't yet won the electoral college.
It's a historic presidency.

347 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:30:20am

re: #343 WestTexas

I think this marriage is a lost cause, unfortunately... :-(

348 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:30:48am

re: #343 WestTexas

Wow! That's really disrespectful on her part. Why does your brother feel he's not worthy of being respected?

349 fiat_lux  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:31:02am

re: #335 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, my apology was sincere. G'night.

350 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:31:04am

re: #346 Jim in Virginia

Sleep?

351 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:31:14am

re: #332 littleoldlady

We are NOT old!

352 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:31:50am

re: #344 Sharmuta

re: #333 BlueCanuck

Thank you all for the advice, and I am hoping that I can put it to good use. We haven't been able to talk much lately, but I love him and only wish him the best. I guess the best option would be for me just to tell him how I feel with deep felt honesty and pray for the best.

353 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:32:01am

re: #351 Jim in Virginia

We are NOT old!

How about weathered? :)

354 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:32:10am

re: #339 Fenway_Nation

Are they still gonna go after Harper all willy-nilly?

If I was a Canuck, I'd be sure to have a mouthful of whiskey so I could do an adequate spit-take should some Liberal try to explain to me that forming a coalition government with the Green Party and A Political Party Dedicated to The Dissolution of Canada would be in the best interest of the Dominion.....

I'm not 100% sure, but Ignatieff will probably throw the LIB/NDP/BQ coalition under the bus in short order. For a Liberal (*spit*) he seems more principled than Dion and Rae put together - which ain't sayin' much.

355 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:33:35am

re: #351 Jim in Virginia

{My Rove!} :-)

No, WE are not.

Whippersnapper! ;-)

356 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:33:39am

re: #321 WestTexas

Good morning, Lizards.

{West Texas}:

1. Suggest that, no matter what, your brother consult a lawyer to protect his interests. He can file for divorce now and decide later not to finalize it. I think a separation would be a good idea so that they can reassess their goals.

2. Do they BOTH want to save the marriage? If so, they BOTH commit to that one goal and do EVERYTHING to work towards that, including counseling. If not, and I'm afraid from what you described, she may not, tell him to let go now.

3. Is it absolutely true that she cheated? I have grave concerns over a wife of less than a year behaving as she has, but if there's any possibility that this accusation is NOT true, it would be awful to make decisions based on a rumor.

May I add him to the Prayer List?

357 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:34:10am

re: #353 BlueCanuck

Oh, thank you for that, Blue!

/Ancient Mariner mode

358 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:34:41am

re: #348 Sharmuta

I am the oldest of four boys with a single mother. We did not have any real kind of male role model growing up and he and the other brother in the middle have not dealt with it well. My youngest brother and myself are pretty well balanced, minus the eccentricities. :-)

359 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:35:18am

re: #352 WestTexas

With that much dishonesty and disrespect in his marriage, your brother needs someone to be honest with him, but be gentle, because I'm sure he also needs to feel he's loved.

I would tell him that you love him, he's worthy of being loved and respected, and that a professional counselor will be able to help cut through the fog so he can make good decisions for himself.

360 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:35:32am

re: #321 WestTexas

Considering the age difference, no kids, and that he is being put at risk for STD's-I'd say tell him to think real carefully on it. Tell him all the Pro and Con that you see in the relationship, and support him until he decides. But he needs to decide before he reports back to duty, so he can get things started if he elects divorce.

361 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:36:11am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning goddess.

362 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:36:36am

re: #359 Sharmuta

With that much dishonesty and disrespect in his marriage, your brother needs someone to be honest with him, but be gentle, because I'm sure he also needs to feel he's loved.

I would tell him that you love him, he's worthy of being loved and respected, and that a professional counselor will be able to help cut through the fog so he can make good decisions for himself.

West Texas, read this again.

I posted my comment before I saw yours about the other guy living there. Ask your brother what he would tell you if YOU were in the same situation.

363 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:37:14am

Good morning, goddess.

I agree- West Texas' brother should get a lawyer regardless.

364 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:37:20am

Good morning goddess.

365 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:37:23am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

Of course, prayers are always welcomed. The cheating is definite. Besides meeting the "man" and reading emails between the two, she refused to hug, kiss, or touch him since he has been home.

366 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:38:55am

re: #365 WestTexas

Of course, prayers are always welcomed. The cheating is definite. Besides meeting the "man" and reading emails between the two, she refused to hug, kiss, or touch him since he has been home.

That's not a marriage.

367 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:39:23am

Sorry I am typing slow. Work, it's no fun. :-)

368 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:40:39am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey, teach.

369 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:41:06am

WestTexas, if he needs counselling have him check out his unit. Unfortunately situations like this aren't uncommon in the military. If they don't have a cousellor they should be able to steer him in the direction of one.

370 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:42:48am

re: #365 WestTexas

Of course, prayers are always welcomed. The cheating is definite. Besides meeting the "man" and reading emails between the two, she refused to hug, kiss, or touch him since he has been home.

No to sound insensitive but going by what you have told us your bother need needs to dump this BITCH now. Get him into your home and give him as much support as you can. If he needs to see a pro. insist that he does. He is still young and deserves better.

371 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:42:50am

re: #366 Sharmuta

I know it's enough to tear me in two. I just want to find a way to keep him from having to deal with it, but that is the protective side of me. You know I practically raised all three of them. This is been the biggest challenge he has faced yet. I went through a similar situation at his age, but thankfully I was never married so it was so much easier to walk away. I am really not a pro divorce type, but this time it might be necessary.

372 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:43:33am

re: #365 WestTexas

OY. OY. OY.

/sitting on my hands...not commenting, because I'm you know Grouchy.

373 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:44:11am

re: #369 BlueCanuck

His unit is in Korea-he needs to talk to both base legal, and the chaplain, at the nearest base, before returning to Korea.

374 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:44:20am

re: #365 WestTexas

I got to tell you- that makes me want to cry for your brother. This is why he needs to see a professional- someone who can help him sort out why it is he feels this is what he deserves in a relationship. He needs to value himself- he's worth more than that. I also think he should run from this woman.

375 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:45:33am

Lizard Prayer List 12/10/08
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Thanksgivings
Lizard friends
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

Health issues:
Dublic(CA)Dude – extensive cancer
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Yochanan: d-i-l (ronite bas golda) undergoing surgery.
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Steve C: Baby Katie’s heart surgery
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
mikeymom: sister suffered a stroke
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
Tarkus289: father is in hospital; may have pneumonia after two strokes and stage 7 Alzheimer'
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
/cont’d

376 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:45:38am

re: #365 WestTexas

Of course, prayers are always welcomed. The cheating is definite. Besides meeting the "man" and reading emails between the two, she refused to hug, kiss, or touch him since he has been home.

The situation you have described is toxic and dangerous. He needs to run - not walk - out of there, before something really bad happens.

377 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:45:39am

re: #369 BlueCanuck

Thank you I did not know that.

re: #370 Erik The Red

Well that's why I am asking now, because I will be spending about four hours with him later today and I need to let him know how I feel and I also want him to be able to get a good look at the situation objectively. Right now, naturally, his heart is leading him.

378 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:45:55am

re: #372 littleoldlady

I love you, {lol}.

379 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:46:00am

re: #373 Pietr

Crap, forgot about that. This could be a security issue as well.

380 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:46:11am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
laZardo: strength of purpose
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom moving
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
mama winger: family (especially stepfather) dealing with stepbrother’s suicide.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
neocon hippie: grieving for big black kitty, Ripple
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Newsjunkie: loss of her dog
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
HoosierHoops: 3/5th Marines deploying to Afghanistan in January (son Jordan is a platoon leader)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: 7-month-old foster daughter who went to life with extended family; best result for another foster daughter
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

Community issues:
The hostages and pray for the Indian army so that they should have great aim.
Our country going forward
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

381 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:49:30am

You know one of the worst parts is that their relationship started out as an accident. She was trying to hit on the guy he was working with and he thought it was him. The other guy just stepped aside and let it happen because he wanted nothing to do with her.

382 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:52:39am

re: #381 WestTexas

Do either of you know of her history? Married before, long term relationships, etc. ? I got a hunch, and a feeling.

383 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:52:51am

re: #374 Sharmuta

re: #380 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #376 Spare O'Lake

re: #370 Erik The Red

re: #369 BlueCanuck

Once again, thank you all so much for your support and advice. I will do the best I can with it. You are an amazing group of people and I feel honored to be a member of this wonderful community.

West Texas

p.s. If you ever need a shoulder and I'm around I'm all ears. :-)

384 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:52:53am

re: #377 WestTexas

Where is the nearest Military installation for you? He can go there for counseling with the chaplain, and base legal as well. And he needs to do it ASAP. Additionally, if he is holding a High security clearance, this could affect that.

385 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:53:32am

re: #383 WestTexas

re: #380 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #376 Spare O'Lake

re: #370 Erik The Red

re: #369 BlueCanuck

Once again, thank you all so much for your support and advice. I will do the best I can with it. You are an amazing group of people and I feel honored to be a member of this wonderful community.

West Texas

p.s. If you ever need a shoulder and I'm around I'm all ears. :-)

Good luck God Bless

386 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:54:04am

re: #378 Sharmuta

I love you, too, {Sharmuta!} :-)

I'm not one to prolong that kind of agony. What may look like a slash and burn policy to someone who doesn't know me, is actually a firewall protecting my self-esteem (which, such as it is, I spent many, many years and many dollar$ getting functional).

Not everyone operates the way I do - in fact, very few people do. But that's why I barely said boo to goddess for about a year. Her first go 'round with %p$iXe^c$e VoSf %s*h@i)t didn't look good to me at all. So I sat on my hands...

{[{goddess}]}

387 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:54:15am

re: #382 BlueCanuck

Well from what I know she was married once before years ago. She has a sixteen year old from the marriage. He lives with them. It's pretty twisted. The marriage was a rather short one.

388 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:56:31am

re: #386 littleoldlady

I love you, too, {Sharmuta!} :-)

I'm not one to prolong that kind of agony. What may look like a slash and burn policy to someone who doesn't know me, is actually a firewall protecting my self-esteem (which, such as it is, I spent many, many years and many dollar$ getting functional).

Not everyone operates the way I do - in fact, very few people do. But that's why I barely said boo to goddess for about a year. Her first go 'round with %p$iXe^c$e VoSf %s*h@i)t didn't look good to me at all. So I sat on my hands...

{[{goddess}]}

WHAT? Go-round with whom? I scared you? Oh, no! I AM SO SORRY!
{littleoldlady}

389 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:57:16am

re: #384 Pietr

Well he does diesel repairs and such. I would have to check on the base. We live slightly north of Houston right now. There are bases all over Texas though.

390 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:57:53am

re: #388 goddessoftheclassroom

No, no! You didn't scare me. I was scared for YOU.

391 pilots wife  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:57:59am

Having been a military spouse for 20 years, I can tell you that I have seen situations like this before. Women who specifically seek out and marry someone in the military, knowing that they leave for long periods of time but still send the money home.

Your brother needs to go to base legal ASAP--it won't be anything they haven't seen before and they can tell him how to protect his interests. He also needs to notify his command element about his issues at home--they don't want someone in a dangerous duty situation when their mind is somewhere else. There are ways to give him a "time out" to deal with this, but he's got to let someone know--in the Air Force it would be his "First Shirt"--I don't know what the army equivalent is.

Don't let him blow this off or talk himself out of it--it's important that he take some steps to protect himself. What if she ruins his credit or gets pregnant with a baby that she passes off as his?

392 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:58:42am

re: #381 WestTexas

Get him out of there, and into some counseling. A good counselor will be able to not only help him sort things out now, but should be able to give him the tools to sort things out for himself in the future.

393 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:59:18am

re: #321 WestTexas

Ok so here's some shameless advice seeking, but since y'all seem to very level headed people it seems to be a good place to look for it. My brother is back from South Korea on leave. He is in the Army and has been married for roughly a year and a half. He is twenty one and his wife is thirty six. She has been cheating on him for six months and he found this out the day he got back. He has been mulling over divorce for the last few days and can't make a definitive decision. I normally would suggest counseling and what not to him, but she is a very mean and self-centered person. She treats him very badly (hence the cheating), and I would like to be able to tip the scale for him, but don't want to seem bias or pit him against me.

P.S. I know it's a lot to ask from a group that I have just recently met, but time is limited and I have been a lurker for so long sometimes I am more emboldened than I should be.

Thank you

I don't mean to bash women because I do love them, but this is why I will never get married. Women terrify me.

394 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:00:04am

re: #390 littleoldlady

No, no! You didn't scare me. I was scared for YOU.

AHHHHHH! Now I get it.

My EH made the choice to throw away commitments for selfish pleasure. I did what I felt I had to do to save our marriage, so now I have no regrets and the satisfaction of knowing that I tried everything.

I still have the court order preventing him from contacting me. Best thing EVER.

395 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:00:27am

re: #391 pilots wife

Thank you. Excellent points and advice.

396 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:00:40am

re: #391 pilots wife

Yeah, we (the family) have been worried about that. He has already closed their joint account, so that's one step in the right direction. Our uncle is a civil lawyer and we have had talks already. So far so good, but he started back tracking yesterday.

397 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:01:44am

re: #394 goddessoftheclassroom

and the satisfaction of knowing that I tried everything.

You certainly did! WAY above and beyond what would be anyone's expectations!

I admire you for that. :-)

398 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:01:50am

re: #396 WestTexas

Yeah, we (the family) have been worried about that. He has already closed their joint account, so that's one step in the right direction. Our uncle is a civil lawyer and we have had talks already. So far so good, but he started back tracking yesterday.

Please assure him that HE IS A GOOD PERSON WHO DID NOTHING TO DESERVE THIS. Make him repeat after you. I know that feeling of taking some blame for something for which I deserved none.

399 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:02:15am

re: #397 littleoldlady

MWAH! That is so sweet!

400 Tigger2005  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:03:14am

I haven't done a lot of commenting lately and I missed the most recent birth certificate threads. I have to say I didn't really agree with the article by David Horowitz that Charles posted. Maybe the birth certificate controversy is crap, and I haven't been pushing it myself either online or person-to-person, but I don't agree with Horowitz that it's "sore loserism," since the controversy arose BEFORE Obama won the election. Perhaps it's a desperate effort to prevent Obama from becoming President, but it can't logically be called "sore loserism" unless it started AFTER the Republican loss.

Would Horowitz have had the claimants drop their suits immediately after Obama won? Well, that would pretty much reveal the suits to be nothing more than a ploy to try to prevent Obama's election, wouldn't it? It would reveal the claimants as hypocrites who never believed there was any merit to their suit, as people no better than Dan Rather and Mary Mapes. Some of the claimants may be crackpots, but I think they really do believe they're doing the right thing and that they shouldn't stop and cede the issue just because Obama won (because even a President-elect shouldn't be above the Constitution).

Then there is the claim that getting Obama disqualified on this basis would "disenfranchise" 64 million voters. But if Obama really is NOT a citizen, and knows it, and lied about it, and the voters had known this BEFORE the election, would they have voted for him?

Again, I'm not trying to push the birth certificate issue itself--I tend to think there's probably nothing to it (although I haven't entirely passed judgment on it, either)--but I do disagree with a couple of the criticisms Horowitz levels at it and those who promote it.

401 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:03:41am

re: #387 WestTexas

Well from what I know she was married once before years ago. She has a sixteen year old from the marriage. He lives with them. It's pretty twisted. The marriage was a rather short one.

I hate to add to your discomfort but, my alarms have gradually been going off. Your brother needs to get far away from this woman, and he needs to watch his back. Seriously.

402 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:03:45am

re: #392 Sharmuta

As he is military, Ma'm, seeing a shrink 'on record' tends to blot any career prospects. That is why I suggested seeing the Chaplain at the nearest Post. The Chaplain can help, and probably steer him into programs that aren't run by the Psychiatric types in the Base hospital.

403 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:03:51am

So.....gotta walk the dog.re: #393 NYCHardhat

I don't mean to bash women because I do love them, but this is why I will never get married. Women terrify me.

LOL...another country heard from.
I gotta walk the dog.

404 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:03:53am

re: #399 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH! That is so sweet!

Psst- don't let her fool you. She's actually Grouchy.

405 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:04:37am

re: #398 goddessoftheclassroom

That's the thing that has me upset. At first he was spitting mad and then three or four days later he wants to work it out because he says part of it is his fault. I call total bull. He did NOTHING wrong, been faithful the whole time.

406 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:05:52am

re: #402 Pietr

Well- I didn't say he had to see a military counselor, but a private professional probably would be best.

407 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:06:56am

Good morning from Illinois, where 3 of our last 6 Governors have done prison time for corruption, soon to be 4 for 7.

Happy 52nd birthday Gov Blago, as a resident of this State I am willing to pop for an orange jump suit of your very own.

I hope to see you by the side of the road soon, wearing it and picking up garbage with an armed escort.

408 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:07:04am

re: #396 WestTexas

Yeah, we (the family) have been worried about that. He has already closed their joint account, so that's one step in the right direction. Our uncle is a civil lawyer and we have had talks already. So far so good, but he started back tracking yesterday.

Would you ask your uncle to give him the names of a few divorce attorneys who will do initial consults for free or for a reduced rate? Your brother needs to find out his legal rights and responsibilities, ASAP.

409 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:07:05am

re: #404 Sharmuta

'Tis true.

/it's an entitlement at this point. ;-)

410 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:07:28am

re: #401 MandyManners

Hello Mandy, another great commenter I am a fan of. :-) I know what you mean about the back. The guy she moved in is an ex-con. Felony style. I hope he doesn't get hurt in more ways than one. I really just want him to walk away, possessions and all. That apartment is a crap hole anyhow.

411 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:07:33am

re: #405 WestTexas

Willing to bet that he guilt tripped him too. "If you weren't gone so long. . . . . ."


/heard this story before, always ends in tragedy

412 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:07:34am

I've got to run--y'all take care.

413 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:08:36am

re: #412 goddessoftheclassroom

Bye goddess. Thank you.

414 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:08:48am

Bye {goddess}, have a good day. Thanks for every thing you do.

415 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:10:01am

re: #410 WestTexas

Hello Mandy, another great commenter I am a fan of. :-) I know what you mean about the back. The guy she moved in is an ex-con. Felony style. I hope he doesn't get hurt in more ways than one. I really just want him to walk away, possessions and all. That apartment is a crap hole anyhow.

Has he changed the locks? Is her name on the lease? Is her son living with her or in the apartment? Where are his important papers--birth certificate, financial records, et cet.?

416 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:10:05am

re: #408 MandyManners


Yeah, we did that yesterday, and then he talked to her, now he's all like well part of it is me, so we should try to work it out. Like I said "bull". She is a snake.

417 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:10:44am

Everyone have a good day. Godspeed WestTexas.

418 pilots wife  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:11:16am

re: #405 WestTexas

I suspect this woman has played this game before--she chose your brother because he's so young and doesn't have the "tools" to fight back. He thinks they're in love and everything will work out. Everything from her side absolutely SCREAMS "black widow". I hope you can make him see that he's a pawn in her game. You can't push too hard, or he'll run toward her. He really, really needs to go to base legal--it's free and confidential.

419 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:11:21am

re: #415 MandyManners

Oh, you mistake my brother. He doesn't have any financial holdings. Her son lives there and with his real dad. My brother's name is the only one on the lease.

420 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:11:40am

re: #412 goddessoftheclassroom

Have a great day!

421 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:11:53am

re: #417 NYCHardhat


Thank you buddy, you too.

422 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:12:27am

In market news, look for the market to open on the up side this morning.
The market futures are all pointing up about 1.50%, the Nikkei was up 3.15% and the Hang Seng up 5.6%.

423 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:12:34am

re: #416 WestTexas

Yeah, we did that yesterday, and then he talked to her, now he's all like well part of it is me, so we should try to work it out. Like I said "bull". She is a snake.

Sounds like she's doing a number on his head. You might consider asking him if he held a gun to her head in order to make her commit adultery.

424 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:14:02am

re: #419 WestTexas

Oh, you mistake my brother. He doesn't have any financial holdings. Her son lives there and with his real dad. My brother's name is the only one on the lease.

I'm talking about bank records, credit card records and the like.

Do you mean she abandoned her son while she went to live with the ex-con?

425 WestTexas[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:15:02am
426 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:16:54am

re: #407 3 wood

Good morning from Illinois, where 3 of our last 6 Governors have done prison time for corruption, soon to be 4 for 7.

Happy 52nd birthday Gov Blago, as a resident of this State I am willing to pop for an orange jump suit of your very own.

I hope to see you by the side of the road soon, wearing it and picking up garbage with an armed escort.

I'll help you buy the orange suit, along with the obligatory soap on a rope.

Blago is stupid, arrogant, greedy, and quite frankly, possibly sociopathic. He is most definitely narcissistic.

427 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:17:02am

re: #424 MandyManners

No no, he moves between mom and dad. The dad is a decent sort, the son hates my brother. Can't say it's his fault though. They should have been brothers. The age is feasible. He closed their only bank account the other day. No credit cards. All his birth records and stuff our mom holds.

428 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:18:19am

re: #425 WestTexas

PIMF, I will get it today.

429 MandyManners[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:18:20am
430 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:19:22am

re: #425 WestTexas

Having been through the short marriage thing, if the cheating is true, I'd suggest he consult a divorce attorney, and file. He should file first, with his grievances as the basis for the divorce.

431 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:20:43am

re: #429 MandyManners

Well two years ago when they met she had him shut all of us out within two weeks. This is the first contact we have had since then. It's been really rough, but more so on him.

432 garycooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:21:03am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

Yep, Carrot Top has jumped the shark... (caution, not safe for humans)...

[Link: mikeresponts.files.wordpress.com...]

Yikes...look at this one. The "present" pic is very close to how he looked in "Heckler:" [Link: themishmash.typepad.com...]

433 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:21:20am

re: #430 Honorary Yooper

That's what I'm trying to get him to do. He can always cancel it.

434 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:21:29am

re: #427 WestTexas

No no, he moves between mom and dad. The dad is a decent sort, the son hates my brother. Can't say it's his fault though. They should have been brothers. The age is feasible. He closed their only bank account the other day. No credit cards. All his birth records and stuff our mom holds.

Freud would've seen that coming from 100 miles away! Poor kid.

It's not unheard of for someone like her to get a credit card and rack up the debts then dump them on him. No matter what the final divorce order would say about the debts, the creditors would go after the other spouse, especially on in the military because they know that the military does not tolerate bad debtors no matter who racked up the charges.

435 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:21:57am

re: #431 WestTexas

Well two years ago when they met she had him shut all of us out within two weeks. This is the first contact we have had since then. It's been really rough, but more so on him.

She is a predator.

436 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:22:39am

Need less blood in my caffeine stream. bbiab

437 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:23:31am

re: #431 WestTexas

Well two years ago when they met she had him shut all of us out within two weeks. This is the first contact we have had since then. It's been really rough, but more so on him.

This is going from bad to toxic the more information we get. Classic Black Widow. Kidnap him if you have to.

438 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:24:07am

*New Flash*

The Chicago Sun Times has just determined that arrested Gov Rod Blagojevich is a Democrat.

Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich taken into federal custody

Literally 25 paragraph's into the story, you get this:

Fitzgerald says federal investigators bugged the Democrat’s campaign offices and placed a tap on his home phone. And Grant says even seasoned investigators were stunned by what they heard on those tapes.

Funny thing, when Gov George Ryan was getting sent to the pokey, the Sun times made sure you knew he was a Republican in the headline.

Strange how that works.

Also, Blago's attorneys ays he is innocent and has done nothing wrong.

Obama says he pretty much does not even know who Blagojevich is.

439 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:25:09am

Odd. Walked outside this morning to get some stuff from the "fat-mobile" and Richmond VA is 65 degree Fahrenheit (not Celsius)

May called. They want their weather back.

The sun is shining
The grass is green
The orange and palm trees sway.
I've never seen such a day
In Richmond, VA.
But it's December the 24th
And I am longing to be up North.

440 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:25:28am

re: #435 MandyManners

I know, I've know it since almost day one, but he wouldn't listen. Kids :-(

Well guys, thank you, unfortunately I have to go. Work calls, but I will be on later tonight, and will give an appropriate updates.

West Texas

p.s. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

441 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:26:23am

West Texas- nothing to add to what's been said above. You're good to worry and try to assist your brother.
Thoughts and prayers to you.

442 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:26:37am

re: #427 WestTexas

As you're near Houston, I'd suggest calling ANY service recruiting office there-first thing today. Ask for info on the nearest Post/Installation that has both Base Legal and a Chaplain, then get your brother there ASAP. Googling bases with those services isn't easy, and any recruiter should have a DOD directory. Good Luck.

443 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:30:00am

The toolbox is coming up on Peru, Ecuador, Columbia and Venezuela. Moving Northeast at roughly 4.5 miles per second. Be cool if this was the moment when we found out that Hugo can't dodge a wrench.

Toolbox fascinates me.

444 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:30:41am

re: #426 Honorary Yooper

Blago is stupid, arrogant, greedy, and quite frankly, possibly sociopathic. He is most definitely narcissistic.

Pretty good description of your average Chicago Machine politician.

Did you see that Eddit "Fast Eddie" Vrdolyak pleaded guilty to a felony a month or so ago?

Former Ald. Vrdolyak Pleads Guilty In Scheme

CHICAGO (CBS) ― Ed Vrdolak is now a convicted felon. The former 10th ward alderman who led the anti-Harold Washington faction on the Chicago City Council in the 1980s entered a surprise guilty plea Monday to federal corruption charges.

Older at 70, grayer and slower, the man known as "Fast Eddie" felt his personal life, as well as his legal and political career, collapse. After cutting a deal with the feds, the former alderman and mayoral candidate pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire and mail fraud. He could spend years in prison after he's sentenced.

They did not call him "Fast Eddie" for nothing. When I was in the Loop, they said Fast Eddie could hear a dollar bill fall on a snow bank.

By the way, Fast Eddie was a Democrat too.

This is typical of the Machine politicians I knew, and that Obama came up among.

445 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:30:46am

Best of luck WestTexas. I know from the inside what it's like to be frozen out from friends and family. Keep dripping on him if you have to. He will thank you for it later.

446 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:32:20am

re: #439 fat bastard vegetarian
Wait until tomorrow.

The snow will come out
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar that
Tomorrow
There'll be snooooow....

Fred Grandy on WMAL radio referred to call in gay day as "National Show tunes day"

447 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:32:46am

re: #444 3 wood

How did Ryan ever get elected in IL? Didn't really pay attention when his nuts were in the vise.

448 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:33:40am

Well my relief is here and it's time for me to go. Have a good day and stay warm and scaly lizards.

449 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:33:50am

re: #446 Jim in Virginia

I called in "Gay" last night with that Lincoln human. "Suicide by Stinky?"

450 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:34:04am

State legislators are going to court this morning to get a temporary restraining order to keep Gov. Blagojevich from appointing someone to fill Obama 's seat.

Looks like the Dem's will be shy a vote for a while in the Senate.

Just like when Obama held the seat.

451 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:34:56am

Morning.

I hope everyone has a fcuking golden day!

452 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:35:38am

re: #446 Jim in Virginia

Works for me!

FINALE

Good day, ALL!™

453 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:35:59am

re: #451 Dar ul Harbarian

You have a damn fine looking lady in your avatar.

454 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:36:11am

re: #447 fat bastard vegetarian

How did Ryan ever get elected in IL? Didn't really pay attention when his nuts were in the vise.

Gov. Edgar had done a pretty good job and Ryan painted himself as a continuation of that.

The general public was not aware at that point that he had been selling drivers licenses to the highest bidder as Secretary of the State for campaign money.

455 right_wing2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:36:47am

The level of corruption in Ill is incredible. And disgusting.

456 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:36:59am

re: #454 3 wood

The flip side of a bad penny. Nice.

457 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:37:05am

Got to get ready for work.

Later.

458 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:37:45am

re: #448 BlueCanuck

Later Blue.

459 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:41:19am

re: #425 WestTexas

I understand you're upset, but let's refrain from posting stuff that problematic for Charles.

460 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:41:36am

re: #440 WestTexas

Take care!

One thing you might want to consider and keep in mind is that your brother is an adult. I know you feel protective of him but, this is on him.

461 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:42:16am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Erik the Red, are you still here?

Some cricket news

More injuries in the Proteas team

SOUTH African captain Graeme Smith has joined strike bowler Dale Steyn and frontline spinner Paul Harris on the sidelines for the tourists' opening match against Western Australia on Thursday.

Smith will miss the one-dayer at the WACA with an elbow injury, coach Mickey Arthur told reporters on Wednesday.

Steyn, who is nursing a minor hamstring strain, and left-arm spinner Harris, who has had a cast removed from his injured left thumb, will also miss the game.

However, All three are expected to play in the two-day match against a WA XI starting on Friday.

Arthur said the injury to Steyn, the leading bowler in Test cricket in 2008 with 60 wickets, was not serious

Not too serious though it seems

462 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:42:39am

re: #451 Dar ul Harbarian

Morning.

I hope everyone has a fcuking golden day!

Bleeping-A!

463 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:43:06am

re: #462 MandyManners

Bleeping-A!

I wonder how Blagojevich is feeling this morning.

464 WestTexas  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:44:13am

re: #459 Sharmuta

Ok really out of here, leaving work. I know, it's ok if it is deleted. Just a moment of truth through passion. Take care all and have a good day.

465 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:44:40am

re: #464 WestTexas

You take care- we'll be praying for you and your brother.

466 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:45:24am

re: #461 aussiemagpie

Still here thanks for the update. Heard that on the news on the way to the salt mine this am.

467 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:47:56am

re: #462 MandyManners

Language Mandy!

Goodness.

468 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:50:35am

Morning all. The potheads in Arizona are going to upset about this.

Ton of Marijuana Seized From Cloned UPS Truck in Arizona

469 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:51:04am

re: #467 fat bastard vegetarian

Language Mandy!

Goodness.

That crook redefines chutzpah.

470 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:52:06am

re: #468 Bubblehead II

Morning all. The potheads in Arizona are going to upset about this.

Ton of Marijuana Seized From Cloned UPS Truck in Arizona

DARN! I was expecting a UPS delivery today!

471 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:52:35am

re: #470 Desert Dog

DARN! I was expecting a UPS delivery today!

What can "brown" do for me? Obviously a lot.

472 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:53:33am

re: #468 Bubblehead II

Morning all. The potheads in Arizona are going to upset about this.

Ton of Marijuana Seized From Cloned UPS Truck in Arizona

*whimper*

Seriously, I wonder if there is any connection to UPS. Did the dealers just steal a license plate from a UPS truck?

473 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:53:40am

Weekly Aussie wildlife story......

Caterpillars invade a Queensland town!

IN a scene straight from a science fiction horror movie, a tiny Queensland town is under siege by a massive infestation of caterpillars that cause skin rashes.

The plague has even forced one resident to put on a full body suit every time she leaves the house.

Homes and backyards in Yandaran, near Bundaberg have been covered with millions of caterpillars for 18 months.

Resident Karon Carr told the ABC that backyards look like a scene from a horror movie.

"Fence posts, wires, clothes lines, clothes - they're just everywhere," she said.

Not nice at all!

474 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:54:22am

re: #470 Desert Dog

DARN! I was expecting a UPS delivery today!

*phone rings*

"Desert Dog, please open the front door. Agents are on your porch."

475 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:54:57am

re: #472 MandyManners

No it was a fake plate, but the numbers were from a real plate/truck

476 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:55:05am

re: #474 MandyManners

*phone rings*

"Desert Dog, please open the front door. Agents are on your porch."

Hey, I have really bad glaucoma. It was for medical purposes only

477 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:55:40am

re: #473 aussiemagpie

Weekly Aussie wildlife story......

Caterpillars invade a Queensland town!


Not nice at all!

That makes Colorado's Miller moth invasion look benign.

*shudder*

478 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:56:09am

re: #475 Bubblehead II

No it was a fake plate, but the numbers were from a real plate/truck

My reading comprehension skills suck this morning.

479 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:56:33am

re: #476 Desert Dog

Hey, I have really bad glaucoma. It was for medical purposes only

That's the ticket!

480 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:58:06am

re: #472 MandyManners

IIRC, they seized a real UPS truck some months back that was being used to haul dope. They called ths one cloned, so somone apparently painted it to look like a real UPS truck. Article says they HAND painted the fake license plate. :>O

481 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:59:23am

re: #478 MandyManners

Too much blood in your caffeine stream?

482 steveoh  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:59:38am

Just saw Bush extended the waiver for the Us Embassy move to Jerusalem. Gave the order through Condi "screw the Jews" Rice. Your text to link...

Nice to see he's consistent. A surefire way to solidify his allegiance to his strongest ally in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia.

483 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:59:45am

re: #480 Pietr

IIRC, they seized a real UPS truck some months back that was being used to haul dope. They called ths one cloned, so somone apparently painted it to look like a real UPS truck. Article says they HAND painted the fake license plate. :>O

Gotta' love the ingenuity of crooks! There's nothing like that Can-Do attitude.

484 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:00:17am

re: #481 Bubblehead II

Too much blood in your caffeine stream?

Could be. But, I'm still on my first mug.

485 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:00:41am

re: #454 3 wood

gov'r edger and gov'r thompson were decent men. the only good gov'rs we have had.

486 Bloodnok  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:03:56am

re: #484 MandyManners

Could be. But, I'm still on my first mug.

Here ya go:

Have a Cuppa Tea

487 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:04:43am

this chicago republican has a grin from ear to ear how the worm turns

488 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:05:49am

re: #486 Bloodnok

Here ya go:

Have a Cuppa Tea

I've not heard that in ages! Thanks!

489 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:07:50am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

A storm dropped almost a foot of snow on us and we're also in day one of a city transit strike. Been up since 04:30 this morning to meet up with folks to carpool into work, the roads are an unbelievable mess and traffic is snarling. Parking lots have upped their charges at some sites more that 50%. UN-believable.

*shakes head*

490 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:08:27am

Axelrod's busier than a cat with diarrhea in its litter box.

491 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:10:04am

re: #489 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

A storm dropped almost a foot of snow on us and we're also in day one of a city transit strike. Been up since 04:30 this morning to meet up with folks to carpool into work, the roads are an unbelievable mess and traffic is snarling. Parking lots have upped their charges at some sites more that 50%. UN-believable.

*shakes head*

Ahhhhh. Capitalism!

Good to see your old avatar.

492 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:10:06am

Starting to look like it was a family affair.

Illinois First Lady Prominent in FBI Affidavit Charging Governor

The first lady was not arrested Tuesday, but federal prosecutors nevertheless allege that she was engaged in the governor's attempts to sell Barack Obama's U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder and to intimidate The Chicago Tribune. The court document mentions the first lady, though not by name, 19 times in six graphic sections.

493 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:10:10am

interesting it may have been ram emanuel may have been the person who tipped off the FBI on this.

494 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:10:46am

re: #477 MandyManners

That makes Colorado's Miller moth invasion look benign.

*shudder*

Hi Mandy, and now I'll go google that one!

495 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:11:00am

re: #492 Bubblehead II

Starting to look like it was a family affair.

Illinois First Lady Prominent in FBI Affidavit Charging Governor

The first lady was not arrested Tuesday, but federal prosecutors nevertheless allege that she was engaged in the governor's attempts to sell Barack Obama's U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder and to intimidate The Chicago Tribune. The court document mentions the first lady, though not by name, 19 times in six graphic sections.

Who's gonna' get the kids if both parents go to prison? Good grief.

496 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:12:01am

re: #494 aussiemagpie

Hi Mandy, and now I'll go google that one!

Gamillions of the little critters!

497 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:12:44am

re: #489 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

A storm dropped almost a foot of snow on us and we're also in day one of a city transit strike. Been up since 04:30 this morning to meet up with folks to carpool into work, the roads are an unbelievable mess and traffic is snarling. Parking lots have upped their charges at some sites more that 50%. UN-believable.

*shakes head*

Hi darls, and you must be dreading the trip home...

498 x-wing  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:13:05am

re: #495 MandyManners

Bill Ayres?

499 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:13:49am

re: #495 MandyManners

Michelle?

500 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:14:13am

re: #495 MandyManners

alderman Mell is the father in law

501 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:14:27am

re: #498 x-wing

Bill Ayres?

Do the Blagojeviches know him and Dohrn?

502 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:15:04am

re: #499 Bubblehead II

Michelle?

I think that is one friendship that's toast.

503 x-wing  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:15:27am

re: #501 MandyManners

They came from Chicago,didn't they?

504 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:15:57am

Good morning Lizards....

505 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:16:27am

re: #500 yochanan

alderman Mell is the father in law

Did Patricia learn from daddy?

506 gregg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:16:32am

re: #495 MandyManners

Who's gonna' get the kids if both parents go to prison? Good grief.

He has a wife and kids? I thought since he wasn't going to be at work today, it meant something else...

507 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:16:36am

Gotta' go.

508 Bloodnok  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:17:24am

re: #489 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

A storm dropped almost a foot of snow on us and we're also in day one of a city transit strike. Been up since 04:30 this morning to meet up with folks to carpool into work, the roads are an unbelievable mess and traffic is snarling. Parking lots have upped their charges at some sites more that 50%. UN-believable.

*shakes head*

{Miss Trix}

Meanwhile it is 57 degrees here after being below zero (wind chill) just two days ago. Gotta love New England weather.

509 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:17:44am

re: #497 aussiemagpie

Hi darls, and you must be dreading the trip home...

Hiya, toots. I am. My carpoolers finish work at 17:30 while I'm outta here at 15:15 so I may just have to sit tight here for a couple of more hours if I can't arrange another option.

Bloody union goons - they should be [deleted], [deleted] and [deleted] with a rusty saw until they [deleted] their [deleted] with a [deleted] [deleted].

That'll learn 'em.

510 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:18:41am

re: #502 MandyManners

O'yeah

511 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:19:22am

re: #507 MandyManners

Later.

512 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:20:41am

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

only two gov'rs came out with clean records Edgars and Thompson both GOP

513 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:23:43am

Obama could end up kneecapped before he even takes office. That's very bad for the country. Nonetheless, "Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas!"

514 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:24:49am

Several interesting developments this morning inthe Land of Where's Mine, otherwise known as Illinois.

1. There will be a move today by several officials to go to court and get an injunction against Gov Blago appointing a Senate repalcecent.

2. There are impeachment papers already in hand in the State Capital and they are ready to start moving.

3. State's Attorney Lisa Madigan is going to try to use a littel known statutory provision to get Blago removed form office for being "unfit".

4. There is much debate about who "Candidate 5" is for the Senate sweepstakes Blago was holding. apparently Candidate 5 was ready to come across with some cash, and word is that Candidate 5 is going to be indicted soon. Democratic Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. had exhibited a lot of interest in the position in the past several weeks.

Democratic Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. is now reported to be suddenly canceling all of his scheduled personal appearances....

Just one of those things that makes you go hmmmm.

515 gregg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:25:51am
516 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:26:32am

ROTFLMAO..... I am starting to think that Obama pulled off the biggest con job in American political history. We didn't (the United States) elect a Muslim Marxist... We elected an old fashioned Chicago Gangster... Say hello to President Scar Face Capone....

517 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:27:25am

re: #509 Miss Trixie

Hiya, toots. I am. My carpoolers finish work at 17:30 while I'm outta here at 15:15 so I may just have to sit tight here for a couple of more hours if I can't arrange another option.

Bloody union goons - they should be [deleted], [deleted] and [deleted] with a rusty saw until they [deleted] their [deleted] with a [deleted] [deleted].

That'll learn 'em.

LOL! How long is this strike going to last?

518 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:28:55am

re: #514 3 wood

Re your #4 there, think maybe he's planning to "Travel Abroad" on some Goodwill visits? Say, until the Statute of limitations runs out? Hmmmm.

519 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:29:45am

In only the most rarest of circumstances do I judge a book by it's cover, but when it comes to Blagojevich, I get miffed just looking at him.

520 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:31:46am

re: #495 MandyManners

Who's gonna' get the kids if both parents go to prison? Good grief.

I think not charging her yet was intentional.

They are going to give Blago a chance to bargain and plead guilty in exchange for not putting the Mrs. in an orange jumpsuit for 10 to 20.

Her Dad is Alderman Dick Mell, who really does not like Blago. My guess is Daddy is spending a lot of time talking his daughter into voluntarily giving States evidence.

Understand, Blago will not resign. He will try to leverage his ability to further screw up the State for anything he can get.

I doubt that Blago. has any feeling for anybody but himself though.

The State Senate is being called into session to remove Blago's ability to appoint the Senator and call for a general election to replace Obama.

And Obama still does not know who Blago is, probably could not recognize him on the street.

521 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:33:47am

Reading over parts of the indictment it is clear why there is this desperate effort to generate cover for Obama. He is deep in this and clearly was communicating what candidates he favored. Blago was rejecting the SEIU candidate (Candidate #1) unless he got a payoff but said that he would not take Obama's candidate "his candidate" instead, that rather than do Obama "that bleep" a favor he would appoint the Deputy Governor (Candidate #4).

522 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:33:59am

WATCH FOR RATS RUNNING OUT OF THE SEWERS

523 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:34:08am

re: #517 aussiemagpie

LOL! How long is this strike going to last?

Wish I knew. It was done for maximum effect so that Joe Q. Public is inconvenienced the most. Rat bastids.

524 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:35:23am

re: #515 gregg

"Hire"?, and not "Higher"

My gosh, not only is the MSM blatantly biased, they are just flat out stupid.

525 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:36:11am

Work gets in the way of my LGF'n. Poop.

526 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:36:22am

re: #519 Oh no...Sand People!

In only the most rarest of circumstances do I judge a book by it's cover, but when it comes to Blagojevich, I get miffed just looking at him.

When I first saw him, I was mightily reminded of this!

*snicker*

527 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:36:29am

re: #518 Pietr

Re your #4 there, think maybe he's planning to "Travel Abroad" on some Goodwill visits? Say, until the Statute of limitations runs out? Hmmmm.

Might be visiting Cuba and Venezuela soon.

If I were Fitzgerald, I'd be watching the airport.

528 gregg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:37:48am

re: #524 3 wood

"Hire"?, and not "Higher"

My gosh, not only is the MSM blatantly biased, they are just flat out stupid.

I suspect Jim Cramer wrote that headline. ;-)

529 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:37:56am

DOG LEFT A PILE RIGHT BY THE GOV'R DOOR STEP good doggie

530 beblebrox  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:39:10am
You wanna know how to get Blagojevich? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way! And that's how you get Blagojevich. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?

Apologies to The Untouchables

531 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:39:46am

re: #514 3 wood


4. There is much debate about who "Candidate 5" is for the Senate sweepstakes Blago was holding. apparently Candidate 5 was ready to come across with some cash, and word is that Candidate 5 is going to be indicted soon. Democratic Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. had exhibited a lot of interest in the position in the past several weeks.

Democratic Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. is now reported to be suddenly canceling all of his scheduled personal appearances....

Just one of those things that makes you go hmmmm.

Jr. sold out his old man to support the Big O when Dad threatened to send BHO to the veterinarian. Shows you what the wages of disloyalty are if the son goes down. Obama is a politician who can't even stay bought.

532 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:40:30am

re: #526 Miss Trixie

When I first saw him, I was mightily reminded of this!

*snicker*

I would take him over Blago... lol.

533 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:41:37am

re: #522 yochanan

WATCH FOR RATS RUNNING OUT OF THE SEWERS

I think there might be a parade to the prosecutors office to cut deals. You can make witnesses forget or vanish, and you can bribe county judges. which is what the Chicago Machine has always thrived on. But you can't make tape not exist and you really can't easily get to a Federal Judge.

I think a lot of bag men, ward heelers, and arm twisters are going to be looking in the mirror this morning and trying to figure out what they can deal for a soft landing.

534 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:41:47am

"It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged."
G.K. Chesterton

535 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:42:32am

re: #523 Miss Trixie

Wish I knew. It was done for maximum effect so that Joe Q. Public is inconvenienced the most. Rat bastids.

What do the unions want?

Other than inconvenience as many people as possible

536 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:43:50am

re: #530 beblebrox

Apologies to The Untouchables

I've always liked the line that Sean Connery has just before he leads Ness through the door on his first "real" raid: "Once you go through this door there's no turning back."

That is so true...

537 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:44:56am

re: #533 3 wood

I think there might be a parade to the prosecutors office to cut deals. You can make witnesses forget or vanish, and you can bribe county judges. which is what the Chicago Machine has always thrived on. But you can't make tape not exist and you really can't easily get to a Federal Judge.

I think a lot of bag men, ward heelers, and arm twisters are going to be looking in the mirror this morning and trying to figure out what they can deal for a soft landing.

With all due respect. This is politics ala the Democratic party... This will all disappear without a trace down the memory hole as we shall suddenly be facing some new crisis that shall arrive any day now to distract us from this.

538 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:45:15am

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a warm and wet day here in CT.

Our local, liberal, Tribune owned, newspaper, The Hartford Courant, has a cartoon caption contest that I would love to see a Lizard win. Here is the link. Good Luck!

539 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:45:26am

re: #315 Sharmuta

What Smurf are you?

Papa Smurf!

Good morning all...now I really am feeling my age. : D

540 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:45:32am

re: #535 aussiemagpie

What do the unions want?

Other than inconvenience as many people as possible

A soft life for union officials.

541 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:45:39am

re: #521 lifeofthemind

Blago was rejecting the SEIU candidate (Candidate #1) unless he got a payoff but said that he would not take Obama's candidate "his candidate" instead, that rather than do Obama "that bleep" a favor he would appoint the Deputy Governor (Candidate #4).

Candidate #1 was this Valerie Jarrett.

Word I get has it that Blago put the arm on Obama for the appointment of Jarrett in exchange for cash, a job with the unions and a job for the Mrs. through Rahm Emanuel. Emanuel took the message back to Obama, they decided to appoint her to some cabinet post anyway, so Blago got told to go fish.

But remember, Obama does not know who Blago is and has not talked to him.

542 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:46:28am

re: #536 CIA Reject

I've always liked the line that Sean Connery has just before he leads Ness through the door on his first "real" raid: "Once you go through this door there's no turning back."

That is so true...

Eliot Ness went to the University of Chicago, played tennis, ended up an alcoholic.
Life is full of irony.

543 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:46:43am

re: #537 doriangrey

With all due respect. This is politics ala the Democratic party... This will all disappear without a trace down the memory hole as we shall suddenly be facing some new crisis that shall arrive any day now to distract us from this.

Life imitates "Wag the Dog"...

544 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:47:54am

re: #543 CIA Reject

Life imitates "Wag the Dog"...

Or "Wag the Dog" is just politics as usual...

545 beblebrox  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:48:24am

re: #536 CIA Reject

I've always liked the line that Sean Connery has just before he leads Ness through the door on his first "real" raid: "Once you go through this door there's no turning back."

That is so true...

he had so many good lines in that film.

546 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:48:43am

Welcome to the Machine.

Seems appropriate.

547 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:49:08am

re: #541 3 wood

Candidate #1 was this Valerie Jarrett.

Word I get has it that Blago put the arm on Obama for the appointment of Jarrett in exchange for cash, a job with the unions and a job for the Mrs. through Rahm Emanuel. Emanuel took the message back to Obama, they decided to appoint her to some cabinet post anyway, so Blago got told to go fish.

But remember, Obama does not know who Blago is and has not talked to him.

So Blago was trying to sell assets he did not own?

548 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:51:10am

re: #547 lifeofthemind

So Blago was trying to sell assets he did not own?

I have a feeling once everything is nationalized that is how you will be forced to do business...

549 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:51:25am

re: #535 aussiemagpie

What do the unions want?

Other than inconvenience as many people as possible

Lessee if I can explain:

~ City Hall got wind of more than $8 million paid out in overtime to drivers, mechanics and stewards who were scheduling their own time, thumbing thier noses at management and logging as much OT as possible whether they actually worked OT or not. General OT abuse.

~ City Hall told Management to get this problem under control but because Management were too afraid to do anything, they let it continue.

~ It's budget time at City Hall, the Union's contract was due so City Hall offered them an extremely generous contract BUT it didn't include scheduling their own time, we have a strike.

Fire. Them. All.

550 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:51:33am

re: #548 Oh no...Sand People!

If not already.

551 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:51:46am

re: #535 aussiemagpie

What do the unions want?

Other than inconvenience as many people as possible

Good morning!

The "unions" want to protect the union and its officials.
In so many cases, the demands of unions set their members up for failure, with demands that can't be maintained and thus jobs are lost.

552 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:52:25am

re: #542 lifeofthemind

Eliot Ness went to the University of Chicago, played tennis, ended up an alcoholic.
Life is full of irony.

Indeed! I just liked that line because it sums up in one sentence all the implications, dynamics, and emotions- both good and bad- of doing any kind of investigation.

553 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:53:44am

Good grief!
Weather forecast for south Louisiana calls for possible snow, and possibly a 1" accumulation of "slush" overnight.

The effects of "global warming", I guess.

554 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:54:16am

re: #545 beblebrox

he had so many good lines in that film.

Yeah - "Who would claim to be that who was not!"
...

Actually I think the film would have really kinda sucked without him.

555 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:54:38am

re: #553 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
Weather forecast for south Louisiana calls for possible snow, and possibly a 1" accumulation of "slush" overnight.

The effects of "global warming", I guess.

bush's fault

556 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:54:46am

re: #553 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
Weather forecast for south Louisiana calls for possible snow, and possibly a 1" accumulation of "slush" overnight.

The effects of "global warming", I guess.

Yup, this damned gloBULL warming is going to freeze us all to death.... ;p

557 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:54:54am

re: #544 doriangrey

Or "Wag the Dog" is just politics as usual...

True that...

558 vxbush  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:55:33am

Ow.....

559 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:55:34am

re: #555 phoenixgirl

bush's fault

Good morning PG.... ((PG))

560 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:56:37am

re: #559 doriangrey

good morning (((((dorian)))))

561 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:57:17am

re: #537 doriangrey

With all due respect. This is politics ala the Democratic party... This will all disappear without a trace down the memory hole as we shall suddenly be facing some new crisis that shall arrive any day now to distract us from this.

Well you could be right.

Guy on the radio this morning told a story about the lady behind the counter at his news stand was all sad for Blago this morning and hoped he gets off. The guy reminded her of what he is on tape as doing, and the paper lady said "Yeah, but when he raises minimum wage I get more money, so I hope he gets off."

Like I always say about Chicago, the City that jerks together works together.

By the way, Dick "the Turban" Durbin can forget about getting former Gov Ryan pardoned now.

562 Pietr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:57:31am

Well, Fellow Hatchlings and Senior Lizards.....things to do. Have an enjoyable day.....Cheers.

563 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:58:18am

re: #547 lifeofthemind

So Blago was trying to sell assets he did not own?

As Governor he gets to appoint the next Senator. That is what he was dealing.

564 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:58:52am

Hey, MSM think of what a full-blown scandal involving BHO and friends would do for your ratings. You need the cash, right?

565 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:59:22am

re: #558 vxbush

Ow.....

VX, btw - I will have my laptop about noon and will make my play this afternoon sometime.

566 vxbush  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:00:02am

re: #565 reine.de.tout

VX, btw - I will have my laptop about noon and will make my play this afternoon sometime.

Oh, that's fine; I'm not worried about that. My head feels like it's going to explode today. You know those dolls you squeeze and the eyes bug out? That's me today.

567 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:01:15am

re: #549 Miss Trixie

Lessee if I can explain:

~ City Hall got wind of more than $8 million paid out in overtime to drivers, mechanics and stewards who were scheduling their own time, thumbing thier noses at management and logging as much OT as possible whether they actually worked OT or not. General OT abuse.

~ City Hall told Management to get this problem under control but because Management were too afraid to do anything, they let it continue.

~ It's budget time at City Hall, the Union's contract was due so City Hall offered them an extremely generous contract BUT it didn't include scheduling their own time, we have a strike.

Fire. Them. All.

Thanks for this explanation, and it seems a universal thing - rorting OT in taxpayer funded jobs

568 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:01:52am

re: #566 vxbush

Oh, that's fine; I'm not worried about that. My head feels like it's going to explode today. You know those dolls you squeeze and the eyes bug out? That's me today.

2 Sudafed, 2 ibuprofen.
Might make you sleepy.

569 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:02:08am

re: #561 3 wood

Well you could be right.

Guy on the radio this morning told a story about the lady behind the counter at his news stand was all sad for Blago this morning and hoped he gets off. The guy reminded her of what he is on tape as doing, and the paper lady said "Yeah, but when he raises minimum wage I get more money, so I hope he gets off."

Like I always say about Chicago, the City that jerks together works together.

By the way, Dick "the Turban" Durbin can forget about getting former Gov Ryan pardoned now.

Just like so many in Indonesia lost the ability to detect the signs of a pending tsunami, people in union towns lose the ability to detect toxic players. The good ole boys look good to them.

570 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:02:18am

re: #564 DistantThunder

Hey, MSM think of what a full-blown scandal involving BHO and friends would do for your ratings. You need the cash, right?

The MSM is hemorrhaging cash at unbelievable levels right now because their political agenda is more important than money, no they dont need cash or a scandal. They need to be relevant and important, they need to tell us sheeple what to think, the last thing they need is a scandal showing their messiah to have feet of clay and just another corrupt politician.

571 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:02:19am

re: #549 Miss Trixie

~ City Hall got wind of more than $8 million paid out in overtime to drivers, mechanics and stewards who were scheduling their own time, thumbing thier noses at management and logging as much OT as possible whether they actually worked OT or not. General OT abuse.

~ City Hall told Management to get this problem under control but because Management were too afraid to do anything, they let it continue.

~ It's budget time at City Hall, the Union's contract was due so City Hall offered them an extremely generous contract BUT it didn't include scheduling their own time, we have a strike.

Fire. Them. All.

Basically, that was a printing press for the unions.

572 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:02:49am

Good morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day? It's my Friday..So I'm in a good mood..

573 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:03:32am

re: #561 3 wood

Well you could be right.

Guy on the radio this morning told a story about the lady behind the counter at his news stand was all sad for Blago this morning and hoped he gets off. The guy reminded her of what he is on tape as doing, and the paper lady said "Yeah, but when he raises minimum wage I get more money, so I hope he gets off."

Like I always say about Chicago, the City that jerks together works together.

By the way, Dick "the Turban" Durbin can forget about getting former Gov Ryan pardoned now.

With a 'public' mentality like that we now know why they keep being put in office..."Give me a .25 cent raise and I'll vote for you!"...as each business raises prices collectively by .35 cents....

574 vxbush  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:03:32am

re: #568 reine.de.tout

2 Sudafed, 2 ibuprofen.
Might make you sleepy.

Heh. Normally I would agree with you, but I've got some other symptoms that aren't good. Given my thyroid, I'm going to take a trip to the doc today and see what he says.

575 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:03:55am

re: #564 DistantThunder

Too early for that yet. Only after he fails to follow through on all his hope/change promises and alienates the radical left will the msm start to dig up all the dirt they kept buried during the election.

576 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:04:17am

re: #572 HoosierHoops

Good morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day? It's my Friday..So I'm in a good mood..

I see you managed to show up late so as to not have to bring everyone coffee... ;p

577 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:04:35am

re: #572 HoosierHoops

Good morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day? It's my Friday..So I'm in a good mood..

Morning HH. The first thing I asked my wife this morning was "Is it Friday yet?" ... She said "No." ... sigh

578 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:05:16am

re: #576 doriangrey

I see you managed to show up late so as to not have to bring everyone coffee... ;p

LOL
yup.. It will be a pretty busy day for me.. But I'm not complaining..

579 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:05:44am

re: #542 lifeofthemind

Eliot Ness went to the University of Chicago, played tennis, ended up an alcoholic.
Life is full of irony.

He also was such a publicity hound, that when they would do a successful raid, he would divulge to the press who his informant was.

Said informant was usually found stuffed in the trunk of a car a few days later.

The FBI hated Ness cause he was always getting in the way of their investigations.

580 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:06:07am

re: #551 reine.de.tout

Good morning!

The "unions" want to protect the union and its officials.
In so many cases, the demands of unions set their members up for failure, with demands that can't be maintained and thus jobs are lost.

Hi there :-)

Yes, ambit claims that are totally pie in the sky stuff are regularly trotted out by some of our more militant unions and it's fascinating to watch - as they sometimes make jobs disappear instead

No wonder union membership is at an all time low here

581 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:06:09am

re: #577 Ford_Prefect

Morning HH. The first thing I asked my wife this morning was "Is it Friday yet?" ... She said "No." ... sigh

I hear that.. I'm only working 3 days a week for the month.. Vacation time that I need to burn..

582 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:07:11am

re: #573 Oh no...Sand People!

With a 'public' mentality like that we now know why they keep being put in office..."Give me a .25 cent raise and I'll vote for you!"...as each business raises prices collectively by .35 cents....

Greedy and unprincipled, working at minimum wage jobs as adults = a brewing stew of corrupt people enthusiastically electing corrupt leaders.

583 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:07:18am

re: #581 HoosierHoops

I hear that.. I'm only working 3 days a week for the month.. Vacation time that I need to burn..

I wish I could burn some of my vacation time, I just have way to damned much to do at work to actually take any time off... ;(

584 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:07:23am

re: #581 HoosierHoops

I hear that.. I'm only working 3 days a week for the month.. Vacation time that I need to burn..

Don't burn it. Send it my way. :-)

585 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:08:06am

CNN ad on Drudge says: "Campbell Brown. No bias. No bull."
So CNN has to advertise they aren't biased?
LOL. yeah CNN - sure.

586 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:08:07am

Well I gotta be off and running like a herd of turtles... Later Lizards...

587 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:08:44am

re: #553 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
Weather forecast for south Louisiana calls for possible snow, and possibly a 1" accumulation of "slush" overnight.

The effects of "global warming", I guess.

Last winter, there were light snowfalls in some Sydney suburbs - our PC weather bureau (GW adherents of course) called it "soft hail"" :-)

588 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:08:53am

re: #585 FrogMarch

CNN ad on Drudge says: "Campbell Brown. No bias. No bull."
So CNN has to advertise they aren't biased?
LOL. yeah CNN - sure.

CNN=Lying liars telling lies...

589 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:09:04am

re: #582 DistantThunder

Greedy and unprincipled, working at minimum wage jobs as adults = a brewing stew of corrupt people enthusiastically electing corrupt leaders.

Public education is the best tool politicians can buy.

590 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:09:29am

re: #585 FrogMarch

CNN ad on Drudge says: "Campbell Brown. No bias. No bull."
So CNN has to advertise they aren't biased?
LOL. yeah CNN - sure.

That is actually the name of her show. It makes me want to throw something at the TV every time I see it on the guide.

591 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:09:47am

re: #572 HoosierHoops

Good morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day? It's my Friday..So I'm in a good mood..

Good morning to you too.

592 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:10:07am

re: #585 FrogMarch

CNN ad on Drudge says: "Campbell Brown. No bias. No bull."
So CNN has to advertise they aren't biased?
LOL. yeah CNN - sure.

They're reading the polls that show that they are losing even more viewership and money because they are perceived as hyper-partisan.

I can't stand Campbell Brown's lisp. How could she have reached such heights with that lisp?

593 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:10:38am

This is way cool!

Segway Inventor Builds Bionic Arm for Wounded GIs

Called the "Luke Arm" after the prosthetic hand sported by Luke Skywalker in the "Star Wars" movies, Dean Kamen's device is lightweight, self-contained and fully capable of picking up grapes, baby bottles, even electric drills.

594 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:10:42am

Morning everyone!

Including that slacker, Dorian...

595 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:10:50am

re: #583 doriangrey

I wish I could burn some of my vacation time, I just have way to damned much to do at work to actually take any time off... ;(

Count your blessings.

It beats being out of work

596 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:11:05am

re: #588 doriangrey

CNN=Lying liars telling lies...

Good morning D-Grey.
Totally. & CNN isn't even the worst culprit. MSNBC = DNC TV.

597 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:11:06am

re: #563 3 wood

As Governor he gets to appoint the next Senator. That is what he was dealing.

We all know that but re: #541 3 wood pointed out that Blago tried to sell Valerie Jarett to Obama, by demanding a series of payoffs to appoint her, and BO stiffed him by dealing with her directly.

598 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:11:40am

re: #589 Oh no...Sand People!

Public education is the best tool politicians can buy.

That's where republicans have to hit hard next election. Putting kids in bad schools is child abuse - nothing less - hardball all the way with these democrat destroyers of the souls of Americans.

599 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:12:16am

re: #587 aussiemagpie

Last winter, there were light snowfalls in some Sydney suburbs - our PC weather bureau (GW adherents of course) called it "soft hail"" :-)

Soft hail? Isn't that a kind of motorcycle? Oh...wait...that's soft tail. My bad.

600 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:12:29am

3wood

Basically, that was a printing press for the unions.

But but but the Union says "It's a matter of dignity".

*sob*

Dignity

Noun
S: (n) dignity, self-respect, self-regard, self-worth (the quality of being worthy of esteem or respect) "it was beneath his dignity to cheat"; "showed his true dignity when under pressure"
S: (n) dignity, lordliness, gravitas (formality in bearing and appearance) "he behaved with great dignity"
S: (n) dignity (high office or rank or station) "he respected the dignity of the emissaries"

I like your explanation much better 'cause you're right.

601 oronpam  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:12:36am

If your bi-sexual on call in gay to work day does that mean you only get a half day off?/

602 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:13:20am

re: #601 oronpam

If your bi-sexual on call in gay to work day does that mean you only get a half day off?/

Full day at half pay on gay day.

603 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:13:33am

re: #569 DistantThunder

Just like so many in Indonesia lost the ability to detect the signs of a pending tsunami, people in union towns lose the ability to detect toxic players. The good ole boys look good to them.

The logical conclusion of which is usually something along the lines of "...at least he makes the trains run on time".

604 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:14:37am

re: #598 DistantThunder

That's where republicans have to hit hard next election. Putting kids in bad schools is child abuse - nothing less - hardball all the way with these democrat destroyers of the souls of Americans.

They will hit hard I am sure...with the wrong solutions...Hooray for both sides on the wrong side!

605 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:14:38am

re: #593 Bubblehead II

This is way cool!

Segway Inventor Builds Bionic Arm for Wounded GIs

Called the "Luke Arm" after the prosthetic hand sported by Luke Skywalker in the "Star Wars" movies, Dean Kamen's device is lightweight, self-contained and fully capable of picking up grapes, baby bottles, even electric drills.

That is really cool!

606 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:14:42am

Good morning y'all - from Bizzaro World! This morning the temperature in Charlotte is 62 degrees.
Yesterday morning at this time the temperature was in the 30's and on Monday it was 25 degrees when I came on-board! It's supposed to get up to 73 degrees here today, and although it's raining gently, my body is having trouble adjusting to 35-40 degree changes in the temperature in just 24 hours! LOL!
How is everyone doing today?

607 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:14:55am

re: #603 CIA Reject

The logical conclusion of which is usually something along the lines of "...at least he makes the trains run on time".

Then they are no different than a band of criminals.

608 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:15:26am

By the way, with all the dirt they have on tape about Blago, Tony Rezco becomes a minor after thought in this entire investigation.

The significance of that is, if Rezco thought he could parlay some info. into an easier situation for himself, he waited too long.

Therefore, he will have to come up with some really good stuff (which I think he has) if he wants to get some attention back from the prosecutors and deal.

I'm thinking Rezco may suddenly begin to remember a whole bunch of stuff.

609 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:15:31am

OK - who's calling in sick today?

610 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:15:52am

re: #601 oronpam
No but if you're bi-sexual it doubles your chances of getting a date on Saturday night! (h/t Woody Allen)

611 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:16:05am

re: #606 realwest

Morning Real!

You win today... 27 here.

612 Texas Heathen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:16:26am

re: #602 DistantThunder

Full day at half pay on gay day.

nice Rhyme,
For a second I thought
it was Dr. Suess time.
But twas not
LOL

613 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:16:29am

re: #609 bosforus

OK - who's calling in sick today?

I thought yesterday was call in Gay day?

614 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:16:57am

re: #608 3 wood

By the way, with all the dirt they have on tape about Blago, Tony Rezco becomes a minor after thought in this entire investigation.

The significance of that is, if Rezco thought he could parlay some info. into an easier situation for himself, he waited too long.

Therefore, he will have to come up with some really good stuff (which I think he has) if he wants to get some attention back from the prosecutors and deal.

I'm thinking Rezco may suddenly begin to remember a whole bunch of stuff.

Obama already has a sizable pardon list coming up... can he pardon himself?

615 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:17:26am

Hey Real - it's in the low 60's here in South Jersey and almost balmy. I can't complain.

Mr DT and son, 12, just took off for a 4 day trip to Indiana to teach a trapping-line class for wanna-be trappers.

616 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:17:41am

re: #613 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I thought yesterday was call in Gay day?

Nope. It's today.

617 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:18:22am

re: #616 bosforus

Nope. It's today.

So if I called in Gay yesterday, am I still straight?

618 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:18:34am

re: #607 DistantThunder

Then they are no different than a band of criminals.

Exactly!

619 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:18:53am

re: #599 Ford_Prefect

Soft hail? Isn't that a kind of motorcycle? Oh...wait...that's soft tail. My bad.

Good morning! (It's 1.15am Thursday here) and not knowing anything about motorcycles, except that they have two wheels, and my son has a Kawasaki - soft tail? Translation needed :-)

620 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:19:05am

re: #608 3 wood
Good morning my friend! Hey isn't that something like 4 out of the last 5 Govenors of Illinois who've been indicted /served time?! No wonder the initials for it are Ill. LOL!
Hey those great reporters at Fox and Friends said that the Yankees signed Sabitha to the richest contract in baseball history.............but of course couldn't be bothered to say HOW MUCH he was getting paid! Do you know?

621 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:19:26am

Now more than ever, America needs a blog czar.

622 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:19:40am

re: #597 lifeofthemind

We all know that but re: #541 3 wood pointed out that Blago tried to sell Valerie Jarett to Obama, by demanding a series of payoffs to appoint her, and BO stiffed him by dealing with her directly.

Close.

Emanuel is alleged to have contacted Blago about the possibility of appointing Jarrett to the Senator position.

Blago then quoted his price tag for doing that "favor".

Emanuel then took the message back to Obama, who then just appointed Jarrett to a cabinet advisor position and Blago got told to go screw himself.

Emanuel then apparently dropped dime to the federal prosecutors about the solicitation for a bribe.

The prosecutors used that to get the wire tap.

623 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:19:47am

re: #608 3 wood

By the way, with all the dirt they have on tape about Blago, Tony Rezco becomes a minor after thought in this entire investigation.

The significance of that is, if Rezco thought he could parlay some info. into an easier situation for himself, he waited too long.

Therefore, he will have to come up with some really good stuff (which I think he has) if he wants to get some attention back from the prosecutors and deal.

I'm thinking Rezco may suddenly begin to remember a whole bunch of stuff.

Obama's theme for his campaign was "no drama." He a coward who is non-confrontational but rather passive-aggressive. Now he's in the big leagues, and I imagine that this is his worst case scenario - dogged by scandal - and Fitzgerald. Popcorn!

624 vxbush  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:19:52am

re: #609 bosforus

OK - who's calling in sick today?

[hand goes up]

Oh! Oh! Me! Me! Pick me, Mr. Kotter!

625 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:20:07am

The unions are most concerned with the "Legacy" union members, not the current or new hires. They will be happy to remove benefits from newly hired people but do not touch the retirees re: #551 reine.de.tout

Good morning!

The "unions" want to protect the union and its officials.
In so many cases, the demands of unions set their members up for failure, with demands that can't be maintained and thus jobs are lost.

626 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:20:15am

re: #614 Oh no...Sand People!

Obama already has a sizable pardon list coming up... can he pardon himself?

That would have to be President Biden.

627 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:20:19am

re: #606 realwest

Good morning y'all - from Bizzaro World! This morning the temperature in Charlotte is 62 degrees.
Yesterday morning at this time the temperature was in the 30's and on Monday it was 25 degrees when I came on-board! It's supposed to get up to 73 degrees here today, and although it's raining gently, my body is having trouble adjusting to 35-40 degree changes in the temperature in just 24 hours! LOL!
How is everyone doing today?

Good morning, RW. It's very cold here in south Texas this morning, 37 degrees and shooting for a high today of 52. Yesterday we reached a high of 86. It's snowing in San Antonio, 125 miles to our north.

Hope you're well today...the front is headed your way my friend.

628 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:20:31am

Anybody else waiting to see the rocket sled thingie they teased on FNC?

629 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:20:31am

re: #613 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I thought yesterday was call in Gay day?

Did you see my response to your gun situation yesterday?

630 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:20:55am

re: #621 Dirk Diggler

Now more than ever, America needs a blog czar.

Markos Moulitsas?

/

631 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:20:58am

re: #611 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Well I tell ya the truth LT - I was starting to get used to colder weather, now my sinuses are clogged up and it's not (yet) quite warm enough inside nor cold enough inside to put on the A/C or Heat!
But I'll take the 63, thankew very much!

632 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:21:07am

Let the creepy fear of democrat reprisals begin:

What this Democrat meant with his analogy—which on the facts so far seems a bit premature—was that Obama could suffer by being in the proximity of a back-scratching and deal-making culture, even if he was mostly a bystander. “What will splatter on to Obama is he is to some degree a product of this culture, and he has never entirely stood against it,” said the Democrat, who wanted anonymity for fear of antagonizing the president-elect.

In scandal, Risks for Obama Media will try really hard to cover for Obama

633 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:21:30am

re: #619 aussiemagpie

Good morning! (It's 1.15am Thursday here) and not knowing anything about motorcycles, except that they have two wheels, and my son has a Kawasaki - soft tail? Translation needed :-)

To be honest I don't know much about motorcycles either. That is why the internet is so great!

Why Soft Tail Frames Create a Comfortable Motorcycle Ride

634 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:21:33am

re: #606 realwest

How is everyone doing today?

Doing fine and been at work since 7 am.

635 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:21:38am

re: #629 DistantThunder

Nope, I missed it... sorry.

636 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:21:57am

re: #631 realwest

Well I tell ya the truth LT - I was starting to get used to colder weather, now my sinuses are clogged up and it's not (yet) quite warm enough inside nor cold enough inside to put on the A/C or Heat!
But I'll take the 63, thankew very much!

63 is nice.

I'm jealous.

637 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:22:22am

re: #621 Dirk Diggler

Now more than ever, America needs a blog czar.

A unionized blog czar.

/gag.

638 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:22:26am

re: #626 3 wood

That would have to be President Biden.

I am trying to wrap my mind around if that will be worse than Obama or no different? Imagine the PR nightmare of his handlers...

639 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:22:32am

re: #630 Oh no...Sand People!

Markos Moulitsas?

/

Harry-anna Huffington already has that tied up. She's on her second pair of knee pads - at least!

640 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:23:08am

re: #622 3 wood

Close.

Emanuel is alleged to have contacted Blago about the possibility of appointing Jarrett to the Senator position.

Blago then quoted his price tag for doing that "favor".

Emanuel then took the message back to Obama, who then just appointed Jarrett to a cabinet advisor position and Blago got told to go screw himself.

Emanuel then apparently dropped dime to the federal prosecutors about the solicitation for a bribe.

The prosecutors used that to get the wire tap.

So Obama didn't refuse to engage in corruption, he just refused to pay the price. The question is will Blago attempt to destroy Emmanuel and Obama now? What will be done to stop him?

641 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:23:23am

re: #638 Oh no...Sand People!

I am trying to wrap my mind around if that will be worse than Obama or no different? Imagine the PR nightmare of his handlers...

I think it would be funnier. Obama is too scary to be laugh-worthy.

642 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:23:31am

re: #503 x-wing

They came from Chicago,didn't they?

What I was trying to say was that just because they know each other doesn't mean they're close.

643 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:23:46am

re: #615 DistantThunder
Hi there DT - uh, how is it that Mr. DT knows all about setting trapping lines? I though the Beaver were trapped out - at least that's what Jim Bridger and Kit Carson (a very distant ancestor of mine) told me!

644 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:23:50am

re: #639 DistantThunder

Harry-anna Huffington already has that tied up. She's on her second pair of knee pads - at least!

*shudder*...

/happy place...need my happy place...

645 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:23:51am

re: #606 realwest

Good morning y'all - from Bizzaro World! This morning the temperature in Charlotte is 62 degrees.
Yesterday morning at this time the temperature was in the 30's and on Monday it was 25 degrees when I came on-board! It's supposed to get up to 73 degrees here today, and although it's raining gently, my body is having trouble adjusting to 35-40 degree changes in the temperature in just 24 hours! LOL!
How is everyone doing today?

*Smooch* from Down Under!

And you're experiencing *climate change* probably due to the higher carbon footprint of your new computer :-)

646 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:23:56am

re: #622 3 wood

Close.

Emanuel is alleged to have contacted Blago about the possibility of appointing Jarrett to the Senator position.

Blago then quoted his price tag for doing that "favor".

Emanuel then took the message back to Obama, who then just appointed Jarrett to a cabinet advisor position and Blago got told to go screw himself.

Emanuel then apparently dropped dime to the federal prosecutors about the solicitation for a bribe.

The prosecutors used that to get the wire tap.

Great info. Updinged ya.

647 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:24:11am

re: #506 gregg

He has a wife and kids? I thought since he wasn't going to be at work today, it meant something else...

Two daughters.

648 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:24:19am

re: #622 3 wood

A bit on the Machiavellian side isn't that?

649 Texas Heathen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:24:20am

re: #624 vxbush

You're gonna call in sick on call in gay day? Not that there's anything wrong with that!

650 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:24:37am

re: #617 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

So if I called in Gay yesterday, am I still straight?

That depends. Be honest - what is your immediate reaction clicking here? (safe for work ;)

651 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:25:05am

re: #632 FrogMarch

was that Obama could suffer by being in the proximity of a back-scratching and deal-making culture, even if he was mostly a bystander.

Does anyone really believe that he moved up through the system as quickly as he did without being a part of that back-scratching and deal-making culture?

652 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:25:10am

re: #510 Bubblehead II

O'yeah

I wonder if the Christmas cards have gone out already.

653 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:25:11am

Morning Mandy!

/or were you up all night again?

654 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:25:16am

re: #620 realwest

Hey those great reporters at Fox and Friends said that the Yankees signed Sabitha to the richest contract in baseball history.............but of course couldn't be bothered to say HOW MUCH he was getting paid! Do you know?

$160 million for 7 years according to ESPN.

It's their business, but I think they have way overpaid.

Sabathia tips his pitches, if you are observant enough to pick up on it.

I know what he is going to throw in every pitch.

655 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:25:37am

re: #635 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, I missed it... sorry.

Mr DT got out his 1911 and demonstrated your dilemna and but he couldn't figure out anyway to adapt your weapon. He feels your pain because he really loves this gun. He suggested a glock.

656 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:25:41am

re: #640 lifeofthemind

So Obama didn't refuse to engage in corruption, he just refused to pay the price. The question is will Blago attempt to destroy Emmanuel and Obama now? What will be done to stop him?

If I were Blago I would be hiring about 30 body guards about now...

657 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:26:08am

re: #650 bosforus

That depends. Be honest - what is your immediate reaction clicking here? (safe for work ;)

Underwear looks too tight to be comfortable.

What do I win?

658 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:26:14am

re: #520 3 wood

I think not charging her yet was intentional.

They are going to give Blago a chance to bargain and plead guilty in exchange for not putting the Mrs. in an orange jumpsuit for 10 to 20.

Her Dad is Alderman Dick Mell, who really does not like Blago. My guess is Daddy is spending a lot of time talking his daughter into voluntarily giving States evidence.

Understand, Blago will not resign. He will try to leverage his ability to further screw up the State for anything he can get.

I doubt that Blago. has any feeling for anybody but himself though.

The State Senate is being called into session to remove Blago's ability to appoint the Senator and call for a general election to replace Obama.

And Obama still does not know who Blago is, probably could not recognize him on the street.

Would he shove his own wife and kids under the bus?

659 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:26:47am

Music Used During U.S. Military Interrogations

• "Enter Sandman," Metallica.

• "Bodies," Drowning Pool.

• "Shoot to Thrill," AC/DC.

• "Hell's Bells," AC/DC.

• "I Love You," from the "Barney and Friends" children's TV show.

• "Born in the USA," Bruce Springsteen.

• "Babylon," David Gray.

• "White America," Eminem.

• "Sesame Street," theme song from the children's TV show.

Other bands and artists whose music has been frequently played at U.S. detention sites: Aerosmith, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Don McLean, Lil' Kim, Limp Bizkit, Meat Loaf, Rage Against the Machine, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Tupac Shakur.

Some of these artists and songs would make me confess to the Kennedy assassination to make the music stop.

660 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:27:02am

re: #657 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Underwear looks too tight to be comfortable.

What do I win?

A day at work.

661 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:27:17am

re: #640 lifeofthemind

The question is will Blago attempt to destroy Emmanuel and Obama now? What will be done to stop him?

I doubt that you will hear much more about the Obama connection.

Obama does not even know the guy now.

662 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:27:22am

I went over to HuffPo last night to see what the loons were saying. Several asshats were saying Balgo was a Reagan Democrat and he never was a true progressive liberal.

663 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:27:25am

re: #652 MandyManners

Welcome back. If they did, I am sure there wasn't a get out of jail free card inside of it.

664 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:27:33am

re: #625 apachegunner
Hey Guns - Spot on post! How are you today?

665 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:27:49am

re: #648 Bubblehead II

A bit on the Machiavellian side isn't that?

Machiavelli was a naive bumpkin compared to these people.

666 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:27:52am

re: #655 DistantThunder

Mr DT got out his 1911 and demonstrated your dilemna and but he couldn't figure out anyway to adapt your weapon. He feels your pain because he really loves this gun. He suggested a glock.

Pooh... I thought you had an answer (Glock ain't it, I like my 1911's and don't want to buy additional guns right now).

Thanks for trying!

667 Texas Heathen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:28:03am

re: #643 realwest

heh heh he said beaver. heh heh heh
/beavis and butthead

668 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:28:18am

re: #656 Oh no...Sand People!

If I were Blago I would be hiring about 30 body guards about now...

He is the problem of the FBI and the US Marshals now. Given that Blago can trust nobody now he might be safer with the feds than locals. Wonder what the Mrs. will do?

669 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:28:47am

re: #659 Hard Right

• "I Love You," from the "Barney and Friends" children's TV show.

Now that is just cruel.

670 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:28:49am

re: #659 Hard Right

Some of these artists and songs would make me confess to the Kennedy assassination to make the music stop.

We're saving "It's a Small World" for you, in case it's ever needed.

/Obama Civilian Security Team Alpha-Blago

671 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:28:51am

re: #527 3 wood

Might be visiting Cuba and Venezuela soon.

If I were Fitzgerald, I'd be watching the airport.

I hope the rest of the arrest warrants get served quickly and that a lotof passports get confiscated.

672 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:28:56am

re: #643 realwest

Hi there DT - uh, how is it that Mr. DT knows all about setting trapping lines? I though the Beaver were trapped out - at least that's what Jim Bridger and Kit Carson (a very distant ancestor of mine) told me!

I didn't realized either that Indiana has as huge trapping tradition. His partner, who happened to bodyguard Gen Petreaus in 2004- as an interesting side note - is a big trapper. They have a full class. People are serious about being self-reliant.

673 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:28:59am

re: #660 bosforus

A day at work.

Yay!

674 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:29:04am

re: #660 bosforus

A day at work.

Crap.

675 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:29:07am

re: #627 jorline
Hi Jorline - Well it is December so a little cooler air wouldn't be terrible, snow OTOH, you can keep - two winters down here, two inches of snow each winter.
I like that! LOL!
How's your RA today?!

676 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:29:09am

{realwest} Morning luv *smoooooochie*

It's 19 degrees here, too much snow and my avatar's busting his buns 'o' steel digging us out.

677 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:29:10am

re: #658 MandyManners

Would he shove his own wife and kids under the bus?

In a second and he would not miss a bite of lunch doing it. .

But her Dad, Alderman Dick Mell will guide her through this.

My guess is the Mrs. will be singing like a bird very shortly.

678 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:29:13am

Dear terrorists-have a nice cup of F%ck off and die this morning thankyouverymuch.

679 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:30:09am

re: #665 CIA Reject

So it would seem. When do the mysterious accidents start?

680 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:30:19am

re: #659 Hard Right

Music Used During U.S. Military Interrogations

• "Enter Sandman," Metallica.

• "Bodies," Drowning Pool.

• "Shoot to Thrill," AC/DC.

• "Hell's Bells," AC/DC.

• "I Love You," from the "Barney and Friends" children's TV show.

• "Born in the USA," Bruce Springsteen.

• "Babylon," David Gray.

• "White America," Eminem.

• "Sesame Street," theme song from the children's TV show.

Other bands and artists whose music has been frequently played at U.S. detention sites: Aerosmith, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Don McLean, Lil' Kim, Limp Bizkit, Meat Loaf, Rage Against the Machine, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Tupac Shakur.

Some of these artists and songs would make me confess to the Kennedy assassination to make the music stop.

They left off Babs and they could have used the video version for a double-wammy.

681 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:30:36am

re: #661 3 wood

I doubt that you will hear much more about the Obama connection.

Obama does not even know the guy now.

If Blago wants to go nuclear can they stop him from singing in open court?

682 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:31:01am

re: #664 realwest

Hey Guns - Spot on post! How are you today?


doing great RW as I hope you are as well. Hows the fancy new computer pal? You seem so different behind that new keyboard and all that nifty memory and stuff. :>)

683 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:31:23am

re: #681 lifeofthemind

If Blago wants to go nuclear can they stop him from singing in open court?

Did the Feds get him out of Illinois? Apparently not. So he could be "accident prone".

684 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:31:31am

re: #646 midwestgak

Great info. Updinged ya.

Thanks.

Helps to know people.

685 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:31:42am

re: #681 lifeofthemind

If Blago wants to go nuclear can they stop him from singing in open court?

He'd only do that if he thought it would help his ass.

686 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:31:44am

re: #622 3 wood

Close.

Emanuel is alleged to have contacted Blago about the possibility of appointing Jarrett to the Senator position.

Blago then quoted his price tag for doing that "favor".

Emanuel then took the message back to Obama, who then just appointed Jarrett to a cabinet advisor position and Blago got told to go screw himself.

Emanuel then apparently dropped dime to the federal prosecutors about the solicitation for a bribe.

The prosecutors used that to get the wire tap.

So, CBBHO could come out of this with an ehanced reputation for promoting "change"?

687 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:31:49am

re: #534 Peacekeeper

Nice!

688 Texas Heathen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:31:51am

re: #659 Hard Right

AC/DC Back in black album is what is currently in my car cd player. Black Ice is on my christmas list.
They should have played Big Balls too. :)

689 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:32:03am

I used to work a part time job at Pottery Barn (actually met my wife there). I would suggest staying away from there today. Thanks to this Gay Day thing they are likely to be very short staffed (no pun intended).

690 Crux Australis  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:32:06am

re: #659 Hard Right

Nooooooo... Britney Spears would make me confess to anything. lol

691 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:32:29am

re: #686 MandyManners

So, CBBHO could come out of this with an ehanced reputation for promoting "change"?

Confess, you are a NYT mole!

/

692 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:32:36am

Obama and his crew say they will keep us safe from a host of terrorist and terror states - but they didn't know what was happening in their own town. Allegedly.

693 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:32:41am

re: #675 realwest

Hi Jorline - Well it is December so a little cooler air wouldn't be terrible, snow OTOH, you can keep - two winters down here, two inches of snow each winter.
I like that! LOL!
How's your RA today?!

The cold weather presents it's problems, but for the most part I'm doing well...thanks.

694 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:32:49am

re: #645 aussiemagpie
Hey {Aussie} - yeah for yesterday and today, Gore was right; that of course leaves about 3,000 days or so about which he was wrong! LOL!
And never you mind about the carbon footprint of my new 'puter - it's so fast it doesn't even leave footprints in the snow!

695 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:33:12am

re: #681 lifeofthemind

If Blago wants to go nuclear can they stop him from singing in open court?

I guarantee that Blago will never get near a microphone in court.

696 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:33:29am

re: #633 Ford_Prefect

To be honest I don't know much about motorcycles either. That is why the internet is so great!

Why Soft Tail Frames Create a Comfortable Motorcycle Ride

Thanks! What you learn here....now if my son ever mentions soft tails I'll think motorbikes, not fat bottoms :-)

697 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:33:41am

re: #648 Bubblehead II
That's Chicago Politics.

698 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:33:48am

re: #651 Ford_Prefect

Does anyone really believe that he moved up through the system as quickly as he did without being a part of that back-scratching and deal-making culture?

Pushed by the media machine-- blind faith. My eyes are open - Barry H. is a product of the corrupt Chicago way. His own wife was the beneficiary of his election to the Illinois state senate. 200,000 raise.

699 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:33:50am

re: #648 Bubblehead II

A bit on the Machiavellian side isn't that?

I'm beginning to think that these people had a Dick-and-Jane version of

The Prince

when they learned how to read.

700 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:34:10am

re: #696 aussiemagpie

Thanks! What you learn here....now if my son ever mentions soft tails I'll think motorbikes, not fat bottoms :-)

That would be a whole different website.

701 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:34:16am

re: #686 MandyManners

So, CBBHO could come out of this with an ehanced reputation for promoting "change"?

Absolutely. He will be painted by the MSM as Mr. Clean in all this.

By Friday, Obama will not even remember where Illinois is.

702 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:34:16am

re: #689 Ford_Prefect

I used to work a part time job at Pottery Barn (actually met my wife there). I would suggest staying away from there today. Thanks to this Gay Day thing they are likely to be very short staffed (no pun intended).

So if you want to meet lonely frustrated women take a job at PB? Does the shoot fish in a barrel theory work anywhere else? *takes out notepad.

703 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:34:20am

re: #321 WestTexas

No counselling-dump wife-find non-cheating wife closer in age. Have children, live happily ever after.

704 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:34:29am

re: #653 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Mandy!

/or were you up all night again?

I've not stayed up all night in ages and ages.

705 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:34:31am

re: #646 midwestgak

Great info. Updinged ya.

Good morning, {gak}.

706 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:35:41am

re: #702 lifeofthemind

So if you want to meet lonely frustrated women take a job at PB? Does the shoot fish in a barrel theory work anywhere else? *takes out notepad.

Hey Hey! That is my wife you are talking about.

707 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:35:45am

re: #654 3 wood
Yeah, but can ya hit it?!? LOL! That's a ridiculous sum for anyone to get paid, but at least the Yanks picked up a reliably winning pitcher with no known "social problems" and who'll give 'em lots of innings.

708 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:36:12am

re: #668 lifeofthemind

Wonder what the Mrs. will do?

Voluntarily testify.

709 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:36:25am

re: #695 3 wood

I guarantee that Blago will never get near a microphone in court.

Why do you day that?

710 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:36:56am

re: #707 realwest

How do you like your new computer?

711 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:37:02am

re: #703 WriterMom

No counselling-dump wife-find non-cheating wife closer in age. Have children, live happily ever after.

Yeah, the age difference is alarming - and with her personality it could mean that men her own age can spot her scamming ways a mile away.

He's lucky he's young and he should still talk to a private counselor about how he missed all the red flags and warning signs.

712 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:37:10am

re: #692 DistantThunder

Obama and his crew say they will keep us safe from a host of terrorist and terror states - but they didn't know what was happening in their own town. Allegedly.

What was that statistic I think for August or October...more murders in Chicago than deaths on the ground in Iraq. Get us OUT of CHICAGO!

713 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:37:47am

re: #663 Bubblehead II

Welcome back. If they did, I am sure there wasn't a get out of jail free card inside of it.

It just hit me that they wouldn't have said "MERRY CHRISTMAS" but, "SEASON'S GREETINGS" or "HAPPY HOLIDAYS."

714 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:37:52am

re: #667 Texas Heathen
Oy! That just brought down the intellignce IQ of the whole thread!
:)

715 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:38:05am

re: #679 Bubblehead II

So it would seem. When do the mysterious accidents start?

I don't know if it'll get that far, but a lot of "big fish" will be talking and dealing while a lot of "little fish" will have their lives and careers ruined- that's for sure.

The only issue in question is who will be the "big fish" and who will be the "little fish"..

716 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:38:47am

re: #709 midwestgak

From the way the natives are talking, he may have a fatal accident before he can testify. %-)

717 Texas Heathen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:39:00am

Good morning {misstrixie}
nice to see you {aussiemagpie}

718 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:39:10am

re: #677 3 wood

In a second and he would not miss a bite of lunch doing it. .

But her Dad, Alderman Dick Mell will guide her through this.

My guess is the Mrs. will be singing like a bird very shortly.

Wouldn't his attorneys be squawking about spousal privilege no matter how explicitly she waived it?

719 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:39:10am

Good morning folks,

Camille Paglia raises some interesting questions. Firstly, about Obama & the Clintons:

As for Obama's appointment of Hillary Clinton as secretary of state, what sense does that make except within parochial Democratic politics? Awarding such a prize plum to Hillary may be a sop to her aggrieved fan base, but what exactly are her credentials for that position? Aside from being a mediocre senator (who, contrary to press reports, did very little for upstate New York), Hillary has a poor track record as both a negotiator and a manager. And of course both Clintons constantly view the world through the milky lens of their own self-interest. Well, it's time for Hillary to put up or shut up. If she gets as little traction in world affairs as Condoleezza Rice has, Hillary will be flushed down the rabbit hole with her feckless husband and effectively neutralized as a future presidential contender. If that's Obama's clever plan, is it worth the gamble? The secretary of state should be a more reserved, unflappable character -- not a drama queen who, even in her acceptance speech, morphed into three different personalities in the space of five minutes.

Given Obama's elaborate deference to the Clintons, beginning with his over-accommodation of them at the Democratic convention in August, a nagging question has floated around the Web: What do the Clintons have on him? No one doubts that the Clinton opposition research team was turning over every rock in its mission to propel Hillary into the White House. There's an information vacuum here that conspiracy theorists have been rushing to fill.

And about Mumbai:

Meanwhile, an area where too many in the mainstream media have been oddly AWOL is in the response to the attack on Mumbai, India, two weeks ago by a squad of Pakistan-based terrorists, who killed nearly 200 people. Reaction in the U.S. was somewhat muted because the protracted standoff occurred over the Thanksgiving holiday, when many Americans were traveling or absorbed in family business. But I was troubled by a persistent soft-pedaling of the identification of the attackers as Muslims --as if the mere reporting of that fact would be offensive and politically incorrect.

...The slaughter of the Hertzbergs and other Jews at Chabad House should be a wake-up call to Western liberals who believe that jihadism can be defeated through reason and happy talk. Only other Muslims can launch the stringent internal reform necessary to stomp this barbaric extremism out.

720 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:39:14am

re: #705 jorline

Good morning, {gak}.

Hey {jorline},

Good mornin' to you! and good to see ya.

721 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:39:16am

re: #706 Ford_Prefect

Hey Hey! That is my wife you are talking about.

Sorry /// got lost in the mail. Now would you advise me to move to San Francisco and attend poetry slams or get into organic gardening? Reminds me of the Pancake House on Rush street in Chicago that cornered the business of all the people who were up for breakfast in that neighborhood bright and early.

722 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:39:22am

re: #712 Oh no...Sand People!

What was that statistic I think for August or October...more murders in Chicago than deaths on the ground in Iraq. Get us OUT of CHICAGO!

Same with Hillary - allegedly oblivious to all of Bill's misdeeds including rape, assault, infidelity, etc - but she's the best pick for a negotiator in chief who can read the opposition?


HAHAHAHAHAHA

723 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:39:38am

re: #694 realwest

Hey {Aussie} - yeah for yesterday and today, Gore was right; that of course leaves about 3,000 days or so about which he was wrong! LOL!
And never you mind about the carbon footprint of my new 'puter - it's so fast it doesn't even leave footprints in the snow!

Good to see the new computer is working so well :-)

724 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:40:07am

re: #683 OldLineTexan

Did the Feds get him out of Illinois? Apparently not. So he could be "accident prone".

He has his own security.

725 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:40:22am

Well, need to get back to my personal straight day at work.

726 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:40:39am

re: #676 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous - sorry to hear about that warm spell you're having (! LOL) but cheer up, that fellow in your avatar seems to be having fun - waaaay too much fun if you ask me!
And here's some *smoochies* back atcha!

727 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:40:46am

re: #718 MandyManners

Wouldn't his attorneys be squawking about spousal privilege no matter how explicitly she waived it?

hummm. Good point.

728 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:40:58am

re: #713 MandyManners

Sadly, you are probably right.

729 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:41:35am

re: #691 OldLineTexan

Confess, you are a NYT mole!

/

Ah, BLEEP. You got me.

Seriously, did you read what The Trib wrote about how it cooperated with the Feds in witholding information? I imagine management was incredibly pissed at Blagojevich.

730 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:41:46am

re: #720 midwestgak

Hey {jorline},

Good mornin' to you! and good to see ya.

Perhaps you can appoint the new Junior Senator from Illinois.

731 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:41:55am

re: #719 Kenneth

I loved that phrase - reason and happy talk - which is exactly what Obama believes about his powers of persuasion.

732 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:01am

re: #722 DistantThunder

Same with Hillary - allegedly oblivious to all of Bill's misdeeds including rape, assault, infidelity, etc - but she's the best pick for a negotiator in chief who can read the opposition?


HAHAHAHAHAHA

She has great experience in dealing with lying prick Heads of State.
/not my line, but I wish it were!

733 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:08am

re: #662 jorline

I went over to HuffPo last night to see what the loons were saying. Several asshats were saying Balgo was a Reagan Democrat and he never was a true progressive liberal.

Mornin' Jorline!

They refuse to own their bad eggs.
Until they do, they are morally doomed.
imo.

734 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:15am

re: #701 3 wood

Absolutely. He will be painted by the MSM as Mr. Clean in all this.

By Friday, Obama will not even remember where Illinois is.

Only 56 states?

735 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:16am

re: #682 apachegunner
Glad to hear you're doing so well - I'm doing ok; just cause my new 'puter could run at a NASCAR event, doesn't mean my typing speed has increased any! LOL!

736 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:21am

re: #615 DistantThunder

Hey Real - it's in the low 60's here in South Jersey and almost balmy. I can't complain.

Mr DT and son, 12, just took off for a 4 day trip to Indiana to teach a trapping-line class for wanna-be trappers.

Cool.. Visitors..Where at in Indiana?

737 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:35am

re: #718 MandyManners

Wouldn't his attorneys be squawking about spousal privilege no matter how explicitly she waived it?

Didn't stop the Feds from going after Ken Lay's and Andrew Fausto's wives on a lot less. They put the squeeze on both (the "how would you like your children in state homes" kind of thing).

738 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:48am

re: #669 Ford_Prefect

Now that is just cruel.

I thought it was briliantly evil. They also used Queen, Pantera, and lots of Nine Inch Nails.

Some british group called Reprieve is trying to get the use of the artists music stopped. Heres the link.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

739 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:53am

re: #724 MandyManners

He has his own security.

How much do they make?

740 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:42:56am

re: #717 Texas Heathen

Good morning {misstrixie}
nice to see you {aussiemagpie}

Hello {Texas Heathen} Good to see you!

741 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:43:18am

re: #639 DistantThunder

Harry-anna Huffington already has that tied up. She's on her second pair of knee pads - at least!

being that today is 'gay' day screw um markos gets today

742 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:43:24am

re: #738 Hard Right

I thought it was briliantly evil. They also used Queen, Pantera, and lots of Nine Inch Nails.

Some british group called Reprieve is trying to get the use of the artists music stopped. Heres the link.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Fine. No more music. Porn mags of Cindy Sheehan and Hugo Chavez.

743 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:43:29am

Help me out here folks, putting together a list of ideas for no competition dating.

744 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:43:37am

Will Broadway lights be out today? Women having a Universal Bad Hair Day?

745 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:43:56am

re: #703 WriterMom

No counselling-dump wife-find non-cheating wife closer in age. Have children, live happily ever after.

Oh, he still will need therapy to help him figure out how he got sucked in by this predator and how to avoid such women in the future. I'm concerned for his safety at the moment.

746 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:43:57am

re: #704 MandyManners

I've not stayed up all night in ages and ages.

Good to hear...

747 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:44:07am

re: #693 jorline
I'm glad to hear that you're doing well my friend - my joints are screaming at me: "first you freeze us, now you heat us, make up your effin' mind - pow!"!

748 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:44:13am

re: #719 Kenneth

for the democrats - it's always about "plum jobs".
Why can't it be about the most qualified person for the job?

749 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:44:17am

re: #742 OldLineTexan

Fine. No more music. Porn mags of Cindy Sheehan and Hugo Chavez.

Please, I might eat again this year.

750 soccerdad  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:44:32am
In his first post-election newspaper interview, with reporters from the Chicago Tribune and Los Angeles Times, Obama was asked: “Do you anticipate being sworn in as Barack Obama or Barack Hussein Obama?"

He replied: “I think the tradition is that they use all three names, and I will follow the tradition, not trying to make a statement one way or the other. I'll do what everybody else does.”

In fact, all presidents have not used their middle names when taking the oath of office. Jimmy Carter famously went as “Jimmy Carter.” Ronald Wilson Reagan took the oath as simply “Ronald Reagan.”

Harry Truman, of course, didn’t have a middle name - just an initial that didn’t stand for anything — and was sworn in as “Harry S. Truman.” (We've gotten a lot of e-mail about the period after the 'S.' Despite the urban myth to the contrary, the Harry S. Truman Library and Museum says Truman put a period in his signature and posts a photo to prove it.)

Dwight D. Eisenhower and Gerald R. Ford took the oath using their middle initials.

Change! yeah...now he'll use his muslim name.

Any bets on his using the Koran to swear in ala Keith Ellison?
/just kidding - I know he's not a Muslim.

751 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:44:34am

re: #705 jorline

Good morning, {gak}.

Good morning Jorline..Realwest..Gak..er.. everybody

752 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:45:03am

re: #711 DistantThunder

Yeah, the age difference is alarming - and with her personality it could mean that men her own age can spot her scamming ways a mile away.

He's lucky he's young and he should still talk to a private counselor about how he missed all the red flags and warning signs.

WT wrote about how she was initially after a comrade but he avoided her. She sounds like a real piece of work.

753 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:45:25am

Mornin' all. For some weird reason I stopped at PMSNBC, the gang there said 'ol Blago was just 'venting' and din't mean any of what he said! Amazing!

754 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:45:47am

re: #732 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

She has great experience in dealing with lying prick Heads of State.
/not my line, but I wish it were!

But she was obviously a total failure at curbing his behavior. Dick Morris described an incident where he was telling Bill some inconvenient truths after which he told Bill - so if you change your mind, call me. Morris turned around and walked towards the front door (this while Bill was governor) and Bill Clinton tackled him from behind knocking him to the ground. Hillary was aghast and helped Morris up and apologized profusely saying: "You know how he gets."

Enabler is not a good characterisitic for SOS.

755 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:45:48am

re: #709 midwestgak

Why do you day that?

Cause he's going to end up pleading guilty for a reduced sentence on some of this stuff.

He is now a leper in the Democratic Machine in Chicago, he can screw the deal up for them and they can't let that happen. In the Chicago mindset, you can be crooked as the day is long, they expect that and accept it. But don't be this stupid and arrogant to get caught on tape.

So Blago is going to be destroyed by the Machine now, and anybody who ever saw him even jaywalk is going to be running to the prosecutor to jump on the pile. Bag men are going to be walking in off the street and offering to turn States evidence for a walk.

756 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:45:53am

re: #695 3 wood
Hmmm - so you don't think Blago is gonna want revenge for that "betrayal"? I thought this was Chicago Politics or The Chicago Way - they hit one of us, we kill two of them sorta stuff.

757 Texas Heathen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:46:04am

re: #742 OldLineTexan

Fine. No more music. Porn mags of Cindy Sheehan and Hugo Chavez.

oh g*d! I think I just threw up a little.

758 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:46:10am

re: #745 MandyManners

I hate therapy, therapists, social workers, etc..he should just get himself an account here and we can slap talk some sense into him.

759 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:46:19am

re: #727 midwestgak

hummm. Good point.

I'm sure he has extremely good attorneys.

760 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:46:46am

re: #719 Kenneth

I gulped when Obama also pledged educational reform by putting state-of-the-art computers in every classroom. Groan. Computers alone will never solve the educational crisis in this country: They are tools and facilitators, not primary conveyors of knowledge. Packing his team with shiny Harvard retreads, Obama missed a golden opportunity to link his public works project with a national revalorization of the trades. Practical training in hands-on vocational skills is desperately needed in this country, where liberal arts education has become a soggy boondoggle, obscenely expensive and diluted by propaganda and groupthink.

She is soooo right.

761 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:46:55am

re: #721 lifeofthemind

No sweat. And I wouldn't sentence anyone to a life in San Francisco. That might make them uncomfortable, and we can't have that. ///

762 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:47:01am

re: #728 Bubblehead II

Sadly, you are probably right.

Whatever floats their boat...or, guides their sleigh.

763 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:47:07am

re: #754 DistantThunder

But she was obviously a total failure at curbing his behavior. Dick Morris described an incident where he was telling Bill some inconvenient truths after which he told Bill - so if you change your mind, call me. Morris turned around and walked towards the front door (this while Bill was governor) and Bill Clinton tackled him from behind knocking him to the ground. Hillary was aghast and helped Morris up and apologized profusely saying: "You know how he gets."

Enabler is not a good characterisitic for SOS.

Sure it is - since SOS is the universal sign of distress!

764 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:47:29am

re: #710 3 wood
LOVE the new 'puter, hate the fact that a LOT of software makers don't have VISTA compatible software and don't understand why they don't!

765 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:47:41am

re: #737 OldLineTexan

Didn't stop the Feds from going after Ken Lay's and Andrew Fausto's wives on a lot less. They put the squeeze on both (the "how would you like your children in state homes" kind of thing).

That's fucking despicable.

766 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:48:05am

re: #733 reine.de.tout

Mornin' Jorline!

They refuse to own their bad eggs.
Until they do, they are morally doomed.
imo.

Agree or they they link them to conservatives...good to see you, reine.

767 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:48:17am

re: #739 OldLineTexan

How much do they make?

*rimshot*

I'm sure the feds will be keeping very close tabs on the governor.

768 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:48:18am

re: #622 3 wood

Blago failed to realize that while a state senator would need to crawl to the Governor for favors, the president-elect does not. This raises the question whether Obama is fundamentally honest or only situationally so. My guess is that Obama didn't need any more favors from Blago, so under the bus he goes.

A big problem remains: how much does Blago know about Obama's shady past? Would he be willing to talk about if it will reduce his sentence? Blago might answer those questions, "F*ckin' plenty!" and "Hell, yeah!"

769 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:48:27am

re: #736 HoosierHoops

Cool.. Visitors..Where at in Indiana?

Somewhere near Ashley in Northern Indiana.

770 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:48:28am

re: #718 MandyManners

Wouldn't his attorneys be squawking about spousal privilege no matter how explicitly she waived it?

Sure they can yell.

But if she waives it, and voluntarily testifies, so what.

She can't be "compelled" to testify.

771 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:48:37am

re: #321 WestTexas

Ok so here's some shameless advice seeking, but since y'all seem to very level headed people it seems to be a good place to look for it. My brother is back from South Korea on leave. He is in the Army and has been married for roughly a year and a half. He is twenty one and his wife is thirty six. She has been cheating on him for six months and he found this out the day he got back. He has been mulling over divorce for the last few days and can't make a definitive decision. I normally would suggest counseling and what not to him, but she is a very mean and self-centered person. She treats him very badly (hence the cheating), and I would like to be able to tip the scale for him, but don't want to seem bias or pit him against me.

P.S. I know it's a lot to ask from a group that I have just recently met, but time is limited and I have been a lurker for so long sometimes I am more emboldened than I should be.

Thank you

The immigrant visa that she probably came into the country on has a two year requirement for the marriage to be in effect or she loses her shot at citizenship. He needs to act and get rid of her immediately.

772 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:48:49am

re: #743 lifeofthemind

Help me out here folks, putting together a list of ideas for no competition dating.


What is that?

773 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:48:52am

re: #742 OldLineTexan

Fine. No more music. Porn mags of Cindy Sheehan and Hugo Chavez.

Hey! I'm eating here!

774 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:49:09am
775 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:49:09am

re: #723 aussiemagpie
Me too! LOL!

776 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:49:21am

john Kass is spot on. looking for a honest pol in chicagoland CAN'T FIND ONE

777 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:49:36am

re: #730 jorline

Perhaps you can appoint the new Junior Senator from Illinois.


Well, the only republican I know who wants to run for office is my fellow coworker. Wants to run for Governor one day. Sadly, I will never vote for him. Doesn't follow through with little things he states he will do. Hot air.

778 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:49:44am

re: #772 MandyManners

What is that?

Same thing as a unicorn... imaginary.

779 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:49:46am

re: #771 lifeofthemind
Damn straight, dump her NOW!

780 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:49:57am

re: #746 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Good to hear...

I don't fight insomnia by tossing and turning. All that does is piss me off and ensure that I don't relax.

781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:50:10am

re: #772 MandyManners

What is that?

"No competition" dating? Sounds like marriage.

782 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:50:15am

re: #747 realwest

I'm glad to hear that you're doing well my friend - my joints are screaming at me: "first you freeze us, now you heat us, make up your effin' mind - pow!"!

Stay well...you're cold air blast is coming. Joints should never scream they should be smoked...lol ;)

783 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:50:20am

re: #736 HoosierHoops
hiya hoops :>)

784 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:50:27am

re: #743 lifeofthemind

Help me out here folks, putting together a list of ideas for no competition dating.

I have a suggestion, but I hear there is a risk of blindness.

/

785 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:51:01am

re: #751 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - how are you doing today?

786 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:51:02am

re: #751 HoosierHoops

Good morning Jorline..Realwest..Gak..er.. everybody

Hey, Hoopster. You at work today or taking a vacation day?

787 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:51:36am

re: #758 WriterMom

I hate therapy, therapists, social workers, etc..he should just get himself an account here and we can slap talk some sense into him.

LOL!

I don't hate all but, there are some out there who make my butt itch.

788 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:18am

re: #758 WriterMom

I hate therapy, therapists, social workers, etc..he should just get himself an account here and we can slap talk some sense into him.

i'm finishing my degree in counseling and my close friend is a nurse, marriage and family counselor and sex therapist - and she's borderline sadistic when it comes to picking the emotional scabs that people have built up. It is very gratifying to see her work - genuinely helping people to take themselves on - no more excuses.

Yeah, slapping them around.

789 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:20am

re: #787 MandyManners
Go to Ace Hardware. They have some stuff for that!

790 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:21am

re: #659 Hard Right

AC/DC at loud volumes is a blessing.

But Barbara Streisand? That's the one that would make me talk.

791 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:29am

Hey GAK, gawd I luv that name I really do :>)

792 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:31am

re: #751 HoosierHoops

Good morning Jorline..Realwest..Gak..er.. everybody

Hey HHs. Mornin'

793 Karridine  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:31am

re: #755 3 wood

Eggs Ackley, 3W! Blago got CAUGHT ON TAPE!

Sin! Shame! Dirty! Leper! Not for DOING THE CRIMES, but for getting CAUGHT!

794 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:37am

re: #321 WestTexas

She's never going to be good to him. Nobody deserves that sh*t. He's young, "got his whole life ahead of him". Divorce her right now asap. Get on with his life. He won't regret it.

795 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:38am

Rather funny story....

Respected research institute needs an interpreter....

CHINESE characters look dramatic and beautiful, and have a powerful visual impact, but make sure you get the meaning of the characters straight before jumping right in.

A respected research institute that wanted Chinese classical texts to adorn its journal to illustrate a special report on China, got a racy flyer extolling the lusty details of stripping housewives in a brothel.

The editorial board of one of Germany's top scientific institutions, the Max Planck Institute, ran the text of a handbill for a Macau strip club on the front page of its latest journal, The Independent newspaper in the UK reports.

Editors had hoped to find an elegant Chinese poem to grace the cover of a special issue, focusing on China.

Oh dear.....

796 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:48am

re: #770 3 wood

Sure they can yell.

But if she waives it, and voluntarily testifies, so what.

She can't be "compelled" to testify.

Could they argue that the thought of prison and losing her daughters is compulsion?

797 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:52:56am

re: #786 jorline

Hey, Hoopster. You at work today or taking a vacation day?

That's pretty funny... now everyone who does stay home today will leave a lingering question in the minds of co-workers and bosses:

Is he/she Gay?

798 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:53:05am

re: #777 midwestgak

Well, the only republican I know who wants to run for office is my fellow coworker. Wants to run for Governor one day. Sadly, I will never vote for him. Doesn't follow through with little things he states he will do. Hot air.

lol...I see an opportunity...Gak for Governor.

799 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:53:15am

re: #772 MandyManners

What is that?

Places were there are few straight men to compete with. We've been talking about moves to SF, taking a job at the perfume counter, hanging out at Democratic party mixers.

800 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:53:27am

Good morning, {all y'all}!
I'm just on for a bit; gotta go to the dentist.

801 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:54:01am

re: #797 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That's pretty funny... now everyone who does stay home today will leave a lingering question in the minds of co-workers and bosses:

Is he/she Gay?

LMAO...ding

802 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:54:12am

re: #772 MandyManners

What is that?

A recipe for evolutionary decline.

/

803 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:54:25am

re: #771 lifeofthemind

The immigrant visa that she probably came into the country on has a two year requirement for the marriage to be in effect or she loses her shot at citizenship. He needs to act and get rid of her immediately.

From what he posted subsequently, she's an American. (She has a 16-year-old boy who splits time with her and his father.)

804 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:54:28am

re: #783 apachegunner

re: #785 realwest

re: #786 jorline

Hi Jorline.. It's my Friday!
Yipee!

805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:54:33am

re: #795 aussiemagpie

Rather funny story....

Respected research institute needs an interpreter....

Oh dear.....

Engrish works both ways.

806 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:54:45am

re: #768 Kenneth
Hi Kenneth! Yeah, that's why I asked 3 wood about Blago's desire for revenge - which I could understand - he asked a normal Chicago political question and he got turned in and on, by his Chicago Machine Pal Obama - Blago's a lot of things, but I just don't see him not wanting - and actively trying to get,
revenge!

807 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:54:50am

re: #748 FrogMarch

To be frank, with politicians in general, it's always about giving plum jobs to friends and allies. If we're lucky, they happen to be competent. But not always.

808 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:55:00am

re: #800 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}!
I'm just on for a bit; gotta go to the dentist.

Good morning...sorry to hear about the dentist.

809 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:55:23am

re: #788 DistantThunder

No offence to you personally, but my experience has been that the people who are supposed to "help" are pretty f-cked up themselves. There is a certain sadistic power over people's lives that they hold and they can cause innocent people a lot of trouble. I have a problem with the therapy industry. Too much navel gazing. There are obviously good ones, but I find most people just need someone who will talk straight with them and I think that the whole therapy industry takes responsibility away from individuals and wrongly invests it in external solutions.

810 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:55:26am

re: #789 pingjockey

Go to Ace Hardware. They have some stuff for that!

A thousand updings for running gag!

811 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:55:48am

re: #795 aussiemagpie

I've heard of people getting Chinese tattoos, only to find out later that they don't mean what they were told they did!

812 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:56:11am

re: #804 HoosierHoops

re: #785 realwest

re: #786 jorline

Hi Jorline.. It's my Friday!
Yipee!

Read VMP's #797...lol

813 Karridine  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:56:13am

re: #771 lifeofthemind

I second that, IF she's Korean... If she's American and cheating, mean and spiteful, divorce SOONER!

814 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:56:26am

re: #777 midwestgak
"Doesn't follow through with little things he states he will do. Hot air."
Sounds like a Chicago pol to me!

815 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:56:52am

re: #778 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Same thing as a unicorn... imaginary.

Imaginary?

816 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:56:55am

re: #809 WriterMom

No offence to you personally, but my experience has been that the people who are supposed to "help" are pretty f-cked up themselves. There is a certain sadistic power over people's lives that they hold and they can cause innocent people a lot of trouble. I have a problem with the therapy industry. Too much navel gazing. There are obviously good ones, but I find most people just need someone who will talk straight with them and I think that the whole therapy industry takes responsibility away from individuals and wrongly invests it in external solutions.

No doubt about that. The good ones put the responsiblity back on the individual to change himsefl and take action.

817 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:57:14am

re: #797 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not if it's a regularly scheduled day off.

/dodged that one by just this much I I

818 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:57:16am

re: #782 jorline
ROFL! How true, how true!

819 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:57:30am

re: #797 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That's pretty funny... now everyone who does stay home today will leave a lingering question in the minds of co-workers and bosses:

Is he/she Gay?

I almost called in because I didn't get much sleep. Does that mean I'm secretly confused?
///

820 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:57:31am

re: #774 WriterMom

Vomit alert!

"Climate Change" Is a Human Rights Issue

Yes well, look who said it: Mary uber-whiner Robinson. Is there anything in the world that isn't a human rights issue for her?

821 razorbacker  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:57:37am

re: #811 redstateredneck

I've heard of people getting Chinese tattoos, only to find out later that they don't mean what they were told they did!

I think that most of them translate to 'gullible round-eyed barbarian'.

822 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:57:37am

re: #810 OldLineTexan
Thanks. BTW, we're all gonna die! Scientists have found a super massive black hole at the center of the Milky Way. We're all going down the drain!

823 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:57:47am

re: #756 realwest

Hmmm - so you don't think Blago is gonna want revenge for that "betrayal"? I thought this was Chicago Politics or The Chicago Way - they hit one of us, we kill two of them sorta stuff.

He's toast. He can want whatever he want's, he's on the outside looking in now.

He's going to get hit with so much stuff, nobody is going to listen to what he says he has on anybody else.

Chicago Machine politicians like Daley, Madigan, Stroger and the rest are not going to stand by and let him hurt them. I'm sure strategy sessions were going on all day yesterday at City Hall and downstate on how to protect the Machine and isolate Blago in all this.

You have to remember, the Republican party is practically non-functioning in this State, so there is no loyal opposition to turn up the heat.

824 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:58:02am

re: #772 MandyManners

What is that?

Thanks for asking. I haven't a clue either.

825 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:58:05am

re: #820 Kenneth

Yes. Jews right to live.

826 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:58:30am

re: #781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"No competition" dating? Sounds like marriage.

Wouldn't know. I booted him out after six months.

827 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:58:39am

re: #821 razorbacker

Or 'No wonton soup for you!'.

828 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:58:44am

re: #800 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}!
I'm just on for a bit; gotta go to the dentist.

G'day darls, and I hope it's nothing too painful!

829 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:58:44am

re: #823 3 wood

He's toast. He can want whatever he want's, he's on the outside looking in now.

He's going to get hit with so much stuff, nobody is going to listen to what he says he has on anybody else.

Chicago Machine politicians like Daley, Madigan, Stroger and the rest are not going to stand by and let him hurt them. I'm sure strategy sessions were going on all day yesterday at City Hall and downstate on how to protect the Machine and isolate Blago in all this.

You have to remember, the Republican party is practically non-functioning in this State, so there is no loyal opposition to turn up the heat.


The failed state of Illinois.

830 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:58:55am

re: #808 jorline

Good morning...sorry to hear about the dentist.

Thanks, but it's just a cleaning and checkup!

831 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:58:59am

re: #763 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sure it is - since SOS is the universal sign of distress!

Or an acronym for "Sh*t on a Shingle"...

832 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:00am

re: #796 MandyManners

Could they argue that the thought of prison and losing her daughters is compulsion?

That's why they have not charged her.

She can't deal to get rid of charges that were never filed.

833 Texas Heathen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:01am

Morning {redstate}
We've got quite a few of the old ddt here today. If only M would show up and NMM.

834 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:04am

re: #789 pingjockey

Go to Ace Hardware. They have some stuff for that!

ROFLMAO!

835 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:10am

re: #781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"No competition" dating? Sounds like marriage.

hahahahahahaha

836 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:11am

re: #800 redstateredneck
Dentist, ARGH! {red} best of luck!

837 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:39am

re: #819 Hard Right

I almost called in because I didn't get much sleep. Does that mean I'm secretly confused?
///

Depends if you get Hard Right when you see a cute guy. ;)

838 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:41am

re: #829 DistantThunder

The failed state of Illinois.

USA out of Illinois!

839 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:52am

re: #804 HoosierHoops
Hi jorline? What about me and Guns?!

840 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:00:19am

re: #821 razorbacker

I think that most of them translate to 'gullible round-eyed barbarian'.

:D
Serves 'em right!

841 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:00:36am

re: #834 MandyManners
I'm thinking gag stocking stuffers for my three boys!

842 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:00:41am

re: #811 redstateredneck

I've heard of people getting Chinese tattoos, only to find out later that they don't mean what they were told they did!

Which is why there are so many weird English phrases on Japanese t-shirts. The Japanese like the look of English words, but don't know what they mean. For example. And this too.

843 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:00:41am

re: #799 lifeofthemind

Places were there are few straight men to compete with. We've been talking about moves to SF, taking a job at the perfume counter, hanging out at Democratic party mixers.

Ooooh. Now I get it.

844 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:00:47am

re: #692 DistantThunder

Obama and his crew say they will keep us safe from a host of terrorist and terror states - but they didn't know what was happening in their own town. Allegedly.

Not a direct reply to your comment but - Personally, I think it's entirely possible that Obama didn't know anything about what Blago was doing. These kinds of things can happen so discretely that only the people directly involved know anything about them. Having said that, of course, I also believe it's entirely possible that Obama knew what was going on and simply didn't say anything or may have even been directly involved.

845 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:00:59am

re: #839 realwest

Hi jorline? What about me and Guns?!

Whoops! got a phone call there..
I meant to say Good morning to both of you

846 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:01:09am

re: #806 realwest

I agree. Between Hot-rod and Rezko, there is a lot of motivation to talk.

Both Emmanual and Obama are from the same sesspool. It could be that Emmanual and Obama are truly above criminal behavior, but I have my doubts. At the very least we will get the full story on what happened with the Obama real-estate deal.

847 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:01:14am

re: #837 jorline

Depends if you get Hard Right when you see a cute guy. ;)

Definite no. Whew. I feel better now.

848 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:01:15am

re: #793 Karridine

Eggs Ackley, 3W! Blago got CAUGHT ON TAPE!

Sin! Shame! Dirty! Leper! Not for DOING THE CRIMES, but for getting CAUGHT!

That is the situation in Chicago.

You can do just about anything and they will accept you, but don't get caught doing it.

Like I was told many times growing up in Chicago, it's not illegal if you don't get caught.

Not that I ever did anything that wold have been illegal, you understand.

849 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:01:23am

re: #822 pingjockey
Morning ping - not if it can't find us...........DUCK! LOL!

850 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:01:31am

re: #833 Texas Heathen

Morning {redstate}
We've got quite a few of the old ddt here today. If only M would show up and NMM.

m has fallen off the face of the earth.
:-(

851 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:02:08am

re: #830 redstateredneck

Thanks, but it's just a cleaning and checkup!

Still ask for the gas...wheeeeeeeeeeeeee

852 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:02:29am

re: #731 DistantThunder

Bush expressed it perfectly, about the futility of meeting unconditionally with thugs & dictators, "as if by some ingenious argument they will finally be convinced to change their ways."

853 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:02:45am

re: #832 3 wood

That's why they have not charged her.

She can't deal to get rid of charges that were never filed.

Couldn't his attorneys still say that charges were imminent and that was why she is talking?

854 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:02:50am

re: #842 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I like the second one!

855 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:02:52am

re: #815 MandyManners

Imaginary?

Back to going blind territory.

856 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:03:31am

re: #823 3 wood
"He's going to get hit with so much stuff, nobody is going to listen to what he says he has on anybody else. "
So you don't think Blago has anything that FEDERAL prosecutors would be interested in - or Federal courts?
I know what you're saying, I just don't see Blago letting it go at being shoveled over.

857 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:03:44am

re: #841 pingjockey

I'm thinking gag stocking stuffers for my three boys!

Oh, I'd forgotten about The Kid's stocking stuffers. Thanks for reminding me!

858 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:03:49am

re: #849 realwest
Mwahaha! I'm wondering if we're gonna get the same uproar in 2012 that we did in 2000. People buying canned food, water, etc... I've had a stash of that stuff since 1998. In case of earthquake, power loss, occasional volcano. Not end of the world doomsday scenarios.

859 Karridine  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:04:13am

re: #842 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I almost double over laughing in Hong Kong a couple years ago, staid Little Ole Chinese Lady carrying a shopping bag from a department store, with a big, bold "Yuck Foo" in English, although it WASN'T quite that subtle...

860 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:04:25am

re: #851 jorline

Still ask for the gas...wheeeeeeeeeeeeee

You sound like my husband. When the dentist comes in, they hygenist tells him he doesn't even want to know what the mix is that he's getting.

861 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:04:32am

re: #857 MandyManners
You be welcome!

862 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:04:39am

re: #848 3 wood

I can imagine Mike Royko is laughing himself silly.

863 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:04:41am
864 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:04:44am

re: #817 Bubblehead II

Not if it's a regularly scheduled day off.

/dodged that one by just this much I I

Either you a secret member of a group of gays, or you fall into the unpleasant position of someone with HIV having to try to convince everyone your actually Haitian.

/not that there's anything wrong with that.

865 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:04:47am

re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Engrish works both ways.

Yes and this proves it :-)

And a little Christmas Engrish for your enjoyment


more the engrish!

866 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:05:04am

bbiab

867 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:05:41am

bbiaw. Timer on the dryer just went off.

868 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:05:47am

re: #850 redstateredneck
He {red} have you heard anything about m's hubby and how he's mending or not?

869 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:06:04am

re: #846 DeafDog

I agree. Between Hot-rod and Rezko, there is a lot of motivation to talk.

Both Emmanual and Obama are from the same sesspool. It could be that Emmanual and Obama are truly above criminal behavior, but I have my doubts. At the very least we will get the full story on what happened with the Obama real-estate deal.

"Above criminal behavior"... funniest thing I've seen all year. :-)

870 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:06:50am

re: #869 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

"Above criminal behavior"... funniest thing I've seen all year. :-)

And by "above" we mean up to his hairline in it.

871 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:06:53am

re: #865 aussiemagpie
Some of those translations are a riot. We had some milling machines with the caution signs printed in engrish. Hilarious! "Do not insert had into machine. Bad results may occur".

872 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:06:58am

re: #798 jorline

lol...I see an opportunity...Gak for Governor.

You're a dear, but I think 3 wood would be more effective. : )

873 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:06:59am
874 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:07:32am

re: #862 MandyManners
Huh. I thought Royko was dead?!

875 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:07:50am