Blagojevich: ‘Have Faith in Me’

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Politics • Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 9:12 am PST • Views: 246

Democratic Illinois Governor Rod Blagovich is right back at work today, stonewalling like a true politician and asking the people of Illinois to “have faith” in him: Illinois gov. returns to work a day after arrest.

CHICAGO – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagovich returned to work on Wednesday, a day after he was arrested and accused of scheming to enrich himself by selling President-elect Barack Obama’s vacant Senate seat.

Blagojevich (bluh-GOY’-uh-vich) is out on bond and has denied any wrongdoing.

The governor left his home on Chicago’s North Side early Wednesday and waved to the media before quickly getting into a dark SUV without talking to the reporters. A short time later, Blagojevich’s SUV arrived at his office.

“He is still the sitting governor of Illinois today, now, and that is not something we have any say in or control of,” U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said in unveiling corruption charges on Tuesday against the 52-year-old governor.

The governor’s attorney, Sheldon Sorosky, said Tuesday he didn’t know of any immediate plans for the governor to resign. Blagojevich believes he didn’t do anything wrong and asks Illinois residents to have faith in him, Sorosky said.

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1 Long Nics are Looonnng  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:12:59am

We have faith in your ability to out-corrupt corruption.

2 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:13:53am
asking the people of Illinois to “have faith” in him

Blagojevich (bluh-GOY’-uh-vich) is out on bond and has denied any wrongdoing.

*falls off chair laughing*

3 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:14:05am

Yeah, Blago. I'll have faith that you're a lying, cheating, cursing waste of oxygen.

4 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:14:21am

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain on the audio tapes.

5 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:14:48am

Good Morning Lizards ...

What is the deadline for him to appoint a replacement for Obama's senate seat?

6 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:14:58am

Blago - all the corrupt politicians have your back, so rest easy.

7 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:15:16am
Blagojevich believes he didn’t do anything wrong...

Exactly. It's called being amoral.

8 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:15:24am

That's not the faith we're looking for. /

Pressure is mounting on Blago to resign. I think he's not going to go down without a fight, and I'm sure he'll be full of colorful language to make his point.

Impeachment is an option but there are issues as to timing and whether and how the process gets interrupted by the swearing in of the new legislature January 14. Who gets controlling authority - and would the process have to start anew with the new legislature? No one really knows for sure.

All the reasons that the legislature wasn't going to pursue impeachment previously are now moot. Fitzmas has opened up that door, and the legislature may entertain it seriously.

As for the idea that anyone should have faith in him, I'd buy that for a dollar, though he'd probably want a Franklin. It's a cash-based faith after all.

9 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:15:38am

Blago, taking a tip from O.J., is now offering a reward for information leading to the arrest of the real corrupt Illinois Governor.

10 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:15:44am

The voters had faith in him when they elected him. That is no longer the case. He should do the right thing and resign now.

/But I suppose that is not the 'Chicago' way, is it?

11 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:15:47am

re: #7 bosforus

Exactly. It's called being amoral.

...and politically astute.

12 Boxy_brown  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:16:15am

This fellow is the embodiment of the Chicago political machine; corrupt to the core, shameless and no class. Good thing we elected a president that is the product of the same political grad-school.

13 Sizzlack  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:16:35am

Charles quoted the unedited version. What he really said was...

"You motherf***rs better f***ng have f***ng faith in me or else!"

14 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:16:53am

Oh, please. Did he have a piano accompaniment?

15 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:16:55am

re: #5 JacksonTn

Good Morning Lizards ...

What is the deadline for him to appoint a replacement for Obama's senate seat?

Probably isn't one, although a new senator appointed now would have seniority over the incoming newly elected senators. An important advantage.

16 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:16:55am

re: #10 CyanSnowHawk

The voters had faith in him when they elected him. That is no longer the case. He should do the right thing and resign now.

/But I suppose that is not the 'Chicago' way, is it?

In his case the Chicago Way is going to end in his being packed off to prison, just like his predecessor.

17 jcm  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:17:14am

Have faith!
I have connections in high places!

/Blago

18 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:17:17am

Talk about chutzpah. That's not the "bleep" I knew.

19 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:17:22am

Redacty-acty-act-ack.

20 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:17:23am

Anyone listening to Rush? AP apparently discovered, just today, that Obama has some questionable associations. Ayers, Wright, Pfleger, Rezko, Blagojevich -- the whole happy family.

Say it ain't so.

21 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:17:34am

i have great faith that he is a fine example of the sort of corruption you will find in ALL successful Illinois Democrats...at every level of government.

22 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:17:37am

I have as much faith in Blahblahblah as I can hold water in a colander.

23 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:18:19am

"Blagojevich believes he didn’t do anything wrong and asks Illinois residents to have faith in him, Sorosky said."

It appears corruption has been part of Chicago politics for so long, you know I can believe he thinks there is really nothing wrong with it.

24 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:18:20am

*choking on popcorn*

I'm putting my faith in the tapes!

25 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:18:44am

re: #9 Occasional Reader

Blago, taking a tip from O.J., is now offering a reward for information leading to the arrest of the real corrupt Illinois Governor.


new keyboard - aisle three

26 bsjracing  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:18:54am

ABC naming Candidate # 5 as Jessee Jackson, JR
...

27 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:18:59am

The guy is a shameless blaggart.

blaggard?

Blagomaniac?

Everything fits!

28 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:19:03am
29 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:19:35am

re: #14 MandyManners

Oh, please. Did he have a piano accompaniment?

I think it was George Michaels "Faith" instead

30 Buck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:19:38am

I bet he didn't say it on the phone...

31 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:19:51am

re: #5 JacksonTn

Good Morning Lizards ...

What is the deadline for him to appoint a replacement for Obama's senate seat?

prior to impeachment.

32 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:03am

re: #26 bsjracing

ABC naming Candidate # 5 as Jessee Jackson, JR
...


surprise surprise surprise

33 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:06am

Here are my thoughts on the matter over at my blog.
//shameless plug

34 rock-n-roll hurricane  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:07am

Is there any reason to believe that things will be better for the state of Illinois if he does resign? Isn't it pretty much assured that everyone in his administration is just as corrupt as he?

35 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:15am

So, how close were Obama and Blagojavich? Well, Obama and Emanuel seemingly ran Blagojavich's run for governor. Of course, now that the mess has hit the fan, everyone is running for the exits, including Emanuel, who's now clarifying his prior statements. Figures. Either he exaggerated his position in Blagojavich's inner circle, or he's lying about just how close he was to Blagojavich. I'm leaning towards the latter, but Emanuel's lying no matter how you dice it.

36 bsjracing  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:29am

ugg they've already pulled the article at ABC...here is the text
Chicago Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL) is the anonymous "Senate Candidate #5" whose emissaries Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich reportedly claimed offered up to a million dollars to name him to the U.S. Senate, federal law enforcement sources tell ABC News.

According to the FBI affidavit in the case, Blagojevich "stated he might be able to cut a deal with Senate Candidate 5 that provided ROD BLAGOJEVICH" with something "tangible up front."

Jackson Jr. said this morning he was contacted yesterday by federal prosecutors in Chicago who he said "asked me to come in and share with them my insights and thoughts about the selection process."

Jackson Jr. said "I don't know" when asked if he was Candidate #5, but said he was told "I am not a target of this investigation."

Jackson Jr. said he agreed to talk with federal investigators "as quickly as possible" after he consults with a lawyer.

37 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:32am
It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.
-G.k. Chesterton
38 Long Nics are Looonnng  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:34am

re: #14 MandyManners

Oh, please. Did he have a piano accompaniment?

Mandy. Don't you think that song is a little too glorious for this guy.

You want it all, but you can't have it...

39 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:38am

No longer the second city.

40 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:38am

He has really taken selling senators to a new level. It used to be, the senator would be bought after he took office (with a down payment during the campaign). Now the office itself is up for sale.

But this reminds me of a Heinlein novel which had some reference to "the Senator from General Motors".

41 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:47am

re: #26 bsjracing

ABC naming Candidate # 5 as Jessee Jackson, JR
...

I'd rather be identified as "Candidate #5" than "Client #9."

42 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:51am

This is not the droid governor you are looking for...

43 shane  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:20:57am

The thing is, he and the other Illinois democrats, probably doesn't realize what he did was wrong. He probably doesn't understand that this stuff was against the rules. He was raised in Illinois and just thought this is how business is done. I think that is the scary part.

44 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:21:03am

re: #29 Eowyn2

I think it was George Michaels "Faith" instead

More fitting, since Chicago politics appears to closely resemble George Michael's activities in public restrooms.

45 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:21:13am

re: #8 lawhawk

That's not the faith we're looking for. /

Pressure is mounting on Blago to resign. I think he's not going to go down without a fight, and I'm sure he'll be full of colorful language to make his point.

Impeachment is an option but there are issues as to timing and whether and how the process gets interrupted by the swearing in of the new legislature January 14. Who gets controlling authority - and would the process have to start anew with the new legislature? No one really knows for sure.

All the reasons that the legislature wasn't going to pursue impeachment previously are now moot. Fitzmas has opened up that door, and the legislature may entertain it seriously.

As for the idea that anyone should have faith in him, I'd buy that for a dollar, though he'd probably want a Franklin. It's a cash-based faith after all.

The Illinois legislature might be able to pass legislation requiring a special election to fill the seat, and make the legislation expire after one year, to avoid tying the hand of future governors. That would be a face saving way out.

46 KingKenrod  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:21:18am

I doubt if any legitimate Senate candidate would want to be appointed by Blagojevich now since the stench of scandal surrounds everything he does. Valerie Jarrett ran screaming from him.

47 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #26 bsjracing

ABC naming Candidate # 5 as Jessee Jackson, JR
...

I'd believe it, after seeing his father say "No comment" for what was probably the first time ever in his life. Jesse Sr. never backs away from a camera.

48 pat  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:21:45am

I think Team Obama will soon claim that they exposed this auction.

49 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:21:49am

I've got a hundred bucks that says he is back to trying to sell that Senate seat as we type.

50 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:21:51am

It's official, the left has turned on Blago.

The NYT just identified Blagojevich as a Democrat.

Here is a story theorizing that he is nuts:

A portrait of a politician: vengeful and profane

By the way, Obama just called for Blago to resign. He does not know him, can't remember ever talking to him or ever meeting him, but thinks he should go.

51 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:22:15am

re: #47 Honorary Yooper

I'd believe it, after seeing his father say "No comment" for what was probably the first time ever in his life. Jesse Sr. never backs away from a camera.

Didn't he back away when his "love" child was introduced?

52 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:22:34am

Hooo, boy. This is going to be great fun.

I can help but remember the adage "In a pissing contest, everybody gets wet." Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch. LOL

53 dahozho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:22:53am

I'm sure he's trying to find some way NOT to make the "people want to know if their governor is a crook..." statement.

Not even Jan 20, and already look at the entertainment value!

As I've been warning for months, THIS is the type of stuff that is going to happen by voting the Chicago machine into DC.

54 Kragar  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:23:13am

Faith is a valuable thing, I aint giving it away.

55 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:23:27am

re: #29 Eowyn2

I think it was George Michaels "Faith" instead

56 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:23:33am
57 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:23:43am

re: #34 rock-n-roll hurricane

Is there any reason to believe that things will be better for the state of Illinois if he does resign? Isn't it pretty much assured that everyone in his administration is just as corrupt as he?

No. Blagojevich got Pat Quinn as his running mate because Quinn was his insurance policy against the Combine. The Combine does not like Quinn, and because of that, they would rather do anything to avoid having him as governor. Blago just got too bad for them and got caught.

58 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:23:48am

Vunderbar. Maybe Gov. Blago will make that appointment today.

59 Perplexed  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:24:01am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, Blago. I'll have faith that you're a lying, cheating, cursing waste of oxygen.

You forgot:

A total waste of skin.
Oxygen thief.
Typical Chicago democrat.

60 wiffersnapper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:24:09am

HOPE!

61 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:24:13am

re: #22 MrSilverDragon

I have as much faith in Blahblahblah as I can hold water in a colander.

Well, there are those drips that hang on to the bottom of the colander. Do you have faith in drips?

62 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:24:21am

re: #51 midwestgak

Didn't he back away when his "love" child was introduced?

He retired from public life for a period of reflection and healing.
I think he was back in about three days.
Quick healer, not very reflective, though.

63 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:24:37am

bluh-GOY’-uh-vich has achieved the impossible -- shocking the people of Illinois (or at least some of them) with his level of corruption.

64 joncelli  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:24:38am
Blagojevich believes he didn’t do anything wrong and asks Illinois residents to have faith in him, Sorosky said.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *gasp* BWHAHAHAHAHA!

65 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:24:48am

re: #60 wiffersnapper

HOPE!

Change!

66 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:25:06am

At last! A name as hard to spell as Ahminedinejad !

67 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:25:21am

I loved the Watergate reference. Yes, how dare they tape you breaking the law.

68 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:25:32am

re: #61 father_of_10

Well, there are those drips that hang on to the bottom of the colander. Do you have faith in drips?

Well, that's not in the colander, now is it? :)

69 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:25:34am

re: #63 doppelganglander

bluh-GOY’-uh-vich has achieved the impossible -- shocking the people of Illinois (or at least some of them) with his level of corruption.

I've known a GOY and he's no goy.

70 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:26:13am
The governor’s attorney, Sheldon Sorosky, said Tuesday he didn’t know of any immediate plans for the governor to resign.

However, he is currently entertaining several offers by various people to take the position off his hands.

71 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:27:02am

Did he have to remove the toupee for the mugshot?

72 bsjracing  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:27:12am

Would be funny as hell if Blago appointed an ultra-conservative to Obama's seat out of spite

73 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:27:30am

re: #66 Peacekeeper

At last! A name as hard to spell as Ahminedinejad !

So, if I call the other one ShortShit, what could you call Blagojevich?

74 Perplexed  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:27:41am

re: #50 3 wood

It's official, the left has turned on Blago.

The NYT just identified Blagojevich as a Democrat.

Here is a story theorizing that he is nuts:

A portrait of a politician: vengeful and profane

By the way, Obama just called for Blago to resign. He does not know him, can't remember ever talking to him or ever meeting him, but thinks he should go.


Another friend/associate/family member/political associate thrown under the bus.

Gov. Blago Le Petemane will sing like a canary if found guilty. This might be the one behind the ear for the Chicago political machine.

75 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:27:48am

re: #71 Peacekeeper

Did he have to remove the toupee for the mugshot?

Is that really a toupe? It looks real to me.

76 jcm  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:28:01am

re: #46 KingKenrod

I doubt if any legitimate Senate candidate would want to be appointed by Blagojevich now since the stench of scandal surrounds everything he does. Valerie Jarrett ran screaming from him.

As long as Blago is Gov. he can appoint the Senator.

The Senate can refuse to seat a Senator. The last time that happened, Frank L. Smith (R) IL.

77 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:28:09am

re: #71 Peacekeeper

Did he have to remove the toupee for the mugshot?

I hate to break it to you, PK, but that's just like Trafficant's hair. It's real.

78 jcm  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:28:24am

re: #73 MandyManners

So, if I call the other one ShortShit, what could you call Blagojevich?

Hair shit...

79 dahozho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #73 MandyManners

So, if I call the other one ShortShit, what could you call Blagojevich?

Mophead?

80 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:29:31am

re: #78 jcm

Hair shit...

re: #79 dahozho

Mophead?

ShitHead?

81 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:29:49am

re: #73 MandyManners

So, if I call the other one ShortShit, what could you call Blagojevich?

Looks like ShortShitler with that haircut.

82 dahozho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:30:02am

re: #80 MandyManners

ShitHead?

Works for me!

83 Perplexed  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:30:04am

re: #64 joncelli

Blagojevich believes he didn’t do anything wrong and asks Illinois residents to have faith in him, Sorosky said.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *gasp* BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Easy, easy. Deep breaths. Relax. Take a couple more deep breaths. This gets pretty close to Monthy Python's killer joke.

84 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:30:30am

Faith is the belief in things yet unseen. But we HAVE seen. So, he's asking the impossible.///

85 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:31:35am

re: #47 Honorary Yooper

I'd believe it, after seeing his father say "No comment" for what was probably the first time ever in his life. Jesse Sr. never backs away from a camera.

Have to go. Back later.

86 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:32:22am

Even Spitzer had enough sense to resign.


Only in Illinois - where crooks are no big deal.

87 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:32:48am

re: #73 MandyManners

So, if I call the other one ShortShit, what could you call Blagojevich?


Leggoe my Blago? *

*Somebody else around here coined it yesterday.

88 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:33:00am

re: #57 Honorary Yooper
Blago got too bad for them?! WOW! That's bad!

89 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:33:03am

Oh, sure.
I saw a news clip yesterday when he declared he had nothing to hide in his phone conversations. Whoops.

90 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:33:36am

re: #48 pat

Hey you're not far off, the NYT ran a piece today giving him credit for getting legislation passed that led to the governor's fall.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

91 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:34:01am

re: #43 shane

The thing is, he and the other Illinois democrats, probably doesn't realize what he did was wrong. He probably doesn't understand that this stuff was against the rules.

Oh, they know it's technically against the rules, but they probably look at it the same way I view a 55-mph speed limit on a 6-lane interstate highway.

92 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:34:04am

re: #74 Perplexed

Another friend/associate/family member/political associate thrown under the bus.

Gov. Blago Le Petemane will sing like a canary if found guilty. This might be the one behind the ear for the Chicago political machine.

I had to look that up but it was worth the clicks: Le Pétomane

93 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:34:16am

re: #75 MandyManners
Do you really want to know?!

94 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:35:20am

Been a tough year for Governors.

95 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:35:24am

re: #43 shane
What he and they think was wrong was that they got caught. That's all.

96 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:35:51am

re: #74 Perplexed

Gov. Blago Le Petemane

"This bill will be a giant step forward in the treatment of the insane gambler."

97 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:36:24am

re: #77 Honorary Yooper

I hate to break it to you, PK, but that's just like Trafficant's hair. It's real.

I was sure Traficant's was a rug. I have no problem Blago's is real. He probably still gets it cut by the same barber who gave him the style when he was 5.

98 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:36:25am

re: #86 FrogMarch
But where crooked pol's getting caught is a big deal!

99 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:36:34am

LOL oh my goodness.

100 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:36:53am

re: #97 doppelganglander

no problem believing it's real. PIMF.

101 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:37:07am

re: #91 Occasional Reader
Nah, you'd look at it differently if you got CAUGHT!

102 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:37:24am

Rush just quoted the Candidate 5 or Client 9 line!

103 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:37:53am

Obama's throwing the Chicago Machine under the bus. You have outlived your usefulness to me.

104 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:37:55am

re: #52 unreconstructed rebel

Hooo, boy. This is going to be great fun.

I can help but remember the adage "In a pissing contest, everybody gets wet." Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch. LOL

In the classical political play book, once you get embarrassed by a party member, you get rid of him/her as quickly as possible. Otherwise, your whole party gets tagged as corrupt. For the last 8 years, dems have been calling out Republicans who make the party look bad, and the Repubs have gotten rid of them, or tried to do that. Now it's up to the dems to clear their record. If Blago doesn't resign, he'll taint the whole democratic party. It is truly "big box of popcorn" time.

105 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:38:02am

SorosSpitzerPinchyBlagoSchumerFrankDoddRangelGorelick.

I just felt like saying it.

106 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:38:11am

re: #92 doppelganglander

I had to look that up but it was worth the clicks: Le Pétomane

OMG, made a hobby out of sucking water up from a pan with his anus.

107 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:38:19am

re: #82 dahozho
How's about Dickhead - not same "reference" but perhaps more accurate!

108 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:38:28am
109 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:39:19am

re: #103 Peacekeeper

Obama's throwing the Chicago Machine under the bus. You have outlived your usefulness to me.


He is gonna regret that big time- I posted in the open- the unions are not gonna let this go. . .

110 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:39:34am

re: #103 Peacekeeper
Hey PK -he needs to be careful with that - the Chicago Machine owns the bus and controls the union that maintains the bus!

111 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:39:35am

How exactly did Hillary get her Senate seat? You think there were some similar conversations in Albany?

112 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:39:38am

Will Blago be sporting this in prison?

Image: SeanAstin.jpg

/I know ...but I swear they look identical to me

113 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:40:09am
114 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:40:12am

re: #109 DisturbedEma
How do you mean that? I mean that the Unions are not going to let this go?

115 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:40:20am

re: #105 FrogMarch

SorosSpitzerPinchyBlagoSchumerFrankDoddRangelGorel ick.


What is "pre-Soviet kleptocracy?"

116 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:40:32am

re: #109 DisturbedEma

interesting point.

117 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #102 lifeofthemind

Rush just quoted the Candidate 5 or Client 9 line!

Client 9? I'm slow. Who's that?

118 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:40:57am

Personally sloppy seconds sounds bad enough but #9? yeeech
Taking an appointment from anyone from Chicago could feel equally creepy.

119 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:41:10am

re: #115 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What is "pre-Soviet kleptocracy?"

ding ding ding!

120 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:41:17am

re: #106 turn
I think I'm gonna be sick.
How on earth did he get the idea to - nevermind,I don't want to know!

121 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:41:28am
122 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:41:30am

re: #117 midwestgak

Client 9? I'm slow. Who's that?

Eliot Spitzer

123 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:41:44am

re: #111 Peacekeeper

How exactly did Hillary get her Senate seat? You think there were some similar conversations in Albany?

Hillary won the Seante seat... No one ran against her... There was a 'GOP' governor in Albany at the time...

124 bsjracing  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:42:20am

113 thanks for posting a working link, my post didn't work

125 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:42:29am

re: #53 dahozho

I'm sure he's trying to find some way NOT to make the "people want to know if their governor is a crook..." statement.

Not even Jan 20, and already look at the entertainment value!

As I've been warning for months, THIS is the type of stuff that is going to happen by voting the Chicago machine into DC.

Hours of fun for the ENTIRE family!

126 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:42:47am
127 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:42:57am

re: #111 Peacekeeper
Uh, PK - Hillary was elected - twice.

128 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:43:10am

re: #98 realwest

But where crooked pol's getting caught is a big deal!

I am surprised. How could this happen? I thought corrupt Chicago pols were untouchable!

129 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:43:47am

Jesse Jackson Junior? Where's daddy-he never misses a chance to run his mouth and he hates Obama. Obama's cleaning house, like the ending of ther Godfather.

130 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:44:04am

Maybe for the good of the people of the state of illinois, which he is a resident, dontcha know, Obama will run for Governor give up his dream of being President, for the good of the country...

/

131 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:44:45am

re: #120 realwest


It was in the wiki link, fooling around with his army buddies I gathered.

132 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:44:59am

re: #113 doppelganglander

Sources Say Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. Is 'Senate Candidate No. 5'

Do you suppose this how Bigofetch (... well, I tried) is gonna play his cards? "Take me out & I'm taking one of yours with me."

133 Almostout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:45:16am

Freaking unbelievable!

The New York Crimes is already given Obama credit for being instrumental in the downfall of Blagojevich.

Obama’s Effort on Ethics Bill Had Role in Governor’s Fall
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

134 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:45:22am

re: #123 tfc3rid

Hillary won the Seante seat... No one ran against her... There was a 'GOP' governor in Albany at the time...

Yes, but what I mean was the New York Democrat party just rolled for her. Maybe they were short of billionaires and powerbrokers in New York that year.

135 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:45:40am

Tammany Hall, Chicago style.

I'm not a BIT surprised that *any* Chicago politician is as crooked as the day is long. Listening in to Hannity, Beck, even Rush, I was struck by the speed at which the indictments were being done. BEFORE The O takes office. Perhaps the prosecutor wants to subpoena Barry before he hides behind "Executive Privilege"?!?

Stay tuned! ...and pass the popcorn...

"May you live in interesting times!" Oh, yeah.

JAFLW

136 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:45:51am

re: #125 DisturbedEma
Could you please look at my # 114 ?

137 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:46:21am

re: #114 realwest

How do you mean that? I mean that the Unions are not going to let this go?

The Auto workers, the teacher (me) and the Window workers. . .as a union member you would not BELIEVE the shilling unions did for dear leader. . .now you have the big 3 and from dear leader? Silence except for the same crap from the trail. . .which will not put food on the table. . .

Window workers got less than a week's notice and the jobs went. . . .where is dear leader? Planning his lux vacay in Hawaii away from the little people. . .the writing on the wall may be a bit incomplete, but many, with the exception of the hardcore moonbats, are already queasy about dear leader's lack of vision now that he has the office they feel they earned him. . .and with ChiHellgo behind him, dear leader could stay golden teflon. . .without them? Feh, not so much. . .

Just my take, unscientific, but there. . .

138 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:47:16am

re: #117 midwestgak

Client 9? I'm slow. Who's that?

Hey gal, you're not the only one who is slow, I was just too embarrassed to ask. Got enough info and googled it

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
Number 9 on the hookers list.

139 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:48:00am

re: #129 Peacekeeper

Jesse Jackson Junior? Where's daddy-he never misses a chance to run his mouth and he hates Obama. Obama's cleaning house, like the ending of ther Godfather.

Jesse Sr. has been oddly silent, hasn't he? Didn't someone -- maybe Mayor Daley -- say that Blago should appoint a black person to replace Obama since that's somehow now a "black" Senate seat? Even if whoever finally makes the appointment follows that insane troll logic, it ain't gonna be Jesse Jr. now.

140 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:49:01am

re: #128 FrogMarch

I am surprised. How could this happen? I thought corrupt Chicago pols were untouchable!

One of my friends has a husband in law enforcement. . .he has been just GLEEFUL over this. . .I suspect there is more to come before Jan 20- there will be some cleaned out rooms in the house before dear leader gets the keys, I'll wager. . .saw some of you say the same. . .i.e. firings after Jan 20- her husband says it is a case of "we have nothing to lose by doing our jobs. . .we are not gonna hang on to them anyway, might was well go for it"

141 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:49:06am

I've decided to move the family to Washington. Negotiations are already underway with the other families...

142 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:49:38am

re: #73 MandyManners

So, if I call the other one ShortShit, what could you call Blagojevich?

Horseshiite?

JAFLW

143 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:49:45am

re: #113 doppelganglander
Who the heck were candidates #1-4?!

144 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:50:09am

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Oh, they know it's technically against the rules, but they probably look at it the same way I view a 55-mph speed limit on a 6-lane interstate highway.

The only thing they really think he did wrong was get caught.

I bet a whole bunch of offices are getting swept for bugs today.

145 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:50:17am

re: #143 realwest

Who the heck were candidates #1-4?!

The mind boggles, no?

146 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:51:28am

re: #144 3 wood

The only thing they really think he did wrong was get caught.

I bet a whole bunch of offices are getting swept for bugs today.

A lot of minions, flunkies and henchmen will be getting strip searched as well.

147 dahozho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:52:09am

re: #125 DisturbedEma

Yes, and now that there's chum in the water (along with the industry finances), maybe the MSM will gear up for some actual reporting... (but I'm still kinda an optimist!) ;)

148 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:52:14am

re: #137 DisturbedEma
Thank you. I was kinda surprised that Bush was working with the Dem's in Congress to bail out the Big 3, and Obama has been pretty quiet about it all.
But I just can't see Obama throwing the UAW - or any other unions - under the bus.
Do you really think he'd do that?

149 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:53:16am

I have come in late to the party. The Dem's sound like our African government that accept corruption, rape, bribery. They are above the people and don't give a damn about anyone. All they worry about is how much money they can line their pockets with. Fuck em'

150 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:53:29am

re: #133 Almostout

Freaking unbelievable!

The New York Crimes is already given Obama credit for being instrumental in the downfall of Blagojevich.

Obama’s Effort on Ethics Bill Had Role in Governor’s Fall
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Blago under the bus in an attempt to save their Obamassiah. I see it as like when the firefighters set the counterblaze to try to keep a wildfire from reaching a neighborhood. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

This time I expect that it will work, unfortunately. Rezko didn't start to sing, and wouldn't sing, unless Fitz delayed his sentencing until after the election. etc

I hope ol' Blago has enough dirt to take a bunch more creeps down with him, but it's much more likely he won't sing in exchange for a nice presidential pardon in a few years.

151 dahozho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:54:07am

re: #135 Just Another Four-letter Word

Tammany Hall, Chicago style.

I'm not a BIT surprised that *any* Chicago politician is as crooked as the day is long. Listening in to Hannity, Beck, even Rush, I was struck by the speed at which the indictments were being done. BEFORE The O takes office. Perhaps the prosecutor wants to subpoena Barry before he hides behind "Executive Privilege"?!?

Stay tuned! ...and pass the popcorn...

"May you live in interesting times!" Oh, yeah.

JAFLW

Well, yes, because the AG usually submits his/her resignation to the incoming president. DOJ is going to move on this.

152 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:54:55am

re: #139 doppelganglander
I'm sorry but this is hard for me to follow: why is Jesse Jr. out of the running now? And his dad took himself out of the running with his comments about Obama's nuts!

153 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:55:12am

re: #146 Peacekeeper

A lot of minions, flunkies and henchmen will be getting strip searched as well.

It's going top be like watching video tape of John Gotti. They will be going for walks around the block in the cold all the time.

154 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:55:14am

A bit OT, but if the government gets to specify what kinds of cars the auto companies make if they get the bailout, they should give them names like
Brussels Sprouts, Broccoli, Tofu, and Cod Liver Oil -
That is stuff that is supposed to be good for you but that few people actually like (although I like sprouts and broccoli).
If the car company execs didn't make cars people wanted to buy, why does Congress think they can do better?

155 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:55:22am

re: #143 realwest

Who the heck were candidates #1-4?!

I don't know, but I can't wait to find out. Maybe one of our distinguished Illinois lizards can hazard a guess.

156 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:56:12am

re: #102 lifeofthemind

Rush just quoted the Candidate 5 or Client 9 line!

*takes a bow*

157 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:56:31am

re: #147 dahozho
LOL! I'd say you're more than a kinda optimist! LOL!

158 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:56:51am

re: #141 Peacekeeper

I've decided to move the family to Washington. Negotiations are already underway with the other families...

How about Oklahoma? Nice horse country.

159 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:57:08am

re: #140 DisturbedEma

One of my friends has a husband in law enforcement. . .he has been just GLEEFUL over this. . .I suspect there is more to come before Jan 20- there will be some cleaned out rooms in the house before dear leader gets the keys, I'll wager. . .saw some of you say the same. . .i.e. firings after Jan 20- her husband says it is a case of "we have nothing to lose by doing our jobs. . .we are not gonna hang on to them anyway, might was well go for it"

It must be gratifying to see. Still, this 'aint over yet. The corrupt pols usually have a few tricks up their sleeves.

160 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:58:22am

re: #148 realwest

Thank you. I was kinda surprised that Bush was working with the Dem's in Congress to bail out the Big 3, and Obama has been pretty quiet about it all.
But I just can't see Obama throwing the UAW - or any other unions - under the bus.
Do you really think he'd do that?

If he thought he could get away with it. . .and he needed to. . .hard to say, but his track record shows he has no trouble pulling people close, kissing them, hugging them. . .and sticking the figurative knife in their backs. . .

161 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:58:38am

re: #153 3 wood
Hey my friend who do YOU think are candidates #1-4?

162 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:58:38am

re: #143 realwest

Who the heck were candidates #1-4?!

#1 was Valerie Jarrett, Obama's advisor.
#2 is suspected to be Attorney General Lisa Madigan.
#3 is suspected to be Rep. Jankowsky.
#4 is one of the three deputy governors appointed by Blagojevich.
#5 is apparently, Rep. Jeese Jackson Jr.
#6 is someone with a lot of money. A Pritzker is suspected to be #6.

163 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:58:55am

re: #152 realwest

I'm sorry but this is hard for me to follow: why is Jesse Jr. out of the running now? And his dad took himself out of the running with his comments about Obama's nuts!

Whether it's true or not that Junior's people made the offer on his behalf, he is tainted by the accusation. In fact, I can't imagine anyone accepting the appointment even if Blago is fool enough to make one. You can be as pure as the driven snow, but if you're appointed by the guy under indictment for a pay-to-play scheme, you are assumed to have paid to play.

164 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:59:49am

re: #155 doppelganglander

I don't know, but I can't wait to find out. Maybe one of our distinguished Illinois lizards can hazard a guess.

The first 4 names in the Cook County phone book. . .they all declined on principle. . .

165 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:00:20am

re: #139 doppelganglander

Jesse Sr. has been oddly silent, hasn't he? Didn't someone -- maybe Mayor Daley -- say that Blago should appoint a black person to replace Obama since that's somehow now a "black" Senate seat? Even if whoever finally makes the appointment follows that insane troll logic, it ain't gonna be Jesse Jr. now.

That was Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Panthers) who said that it should be a Black man or woman.

166 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:01:06am

re: #151 dahozho

Well, yes, because the AG usually submits his/her resignation to the incoming president. DOJ is going to move on this.

Sorry, but I doubt it. Mukasey could have gotten DOJ into ACORN, illegal overseas fundraising, caucus fraud/intimidation at any time. He and DOJ did nothing. Local FBI offices were raiding ACORN offices, and bloggers were investigating the fundraising fraud.

It honestly reminds me of the pre-9/11 situation where local FBI offices were screaming about weird guys in flight schools, and asking for permission to go after Zac Moussaoui, and getting rejected by the DOJ.

167 el brujo  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:01:28am

ejem..."This is not the Blago I knew...

168 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:02:19am

re: #162 Honorary Yooper

#1 was Valerie Jarrett, Obama's advisor.
#2 is suspected to be Attorney General Lisa Madigan.
#3 is suspected to be Rep. Jankowsky.
#4 is one of the three deputy governors appointed by Blagojevich.
#5 is apparently, Rep. Jeese Jackson Jr.
#6 is someone with a lot of money. A Pritzker is suspected to be #6.


1 No way would she IMHO
2. Maybe
3, ICK
4. Double Ick
5. No comment from this Hymiette
6. No

I nominate the Starbuck's guy- he gives me the correct change and always makes my order right. . .

169 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:02:27am

re: #162 Honorary Yooper

#1 was Valerie Jarrett, Obama's advisor.
#2 is suspected to be Attorney General Lisa Madigan.
#3 is suspected to be Rep. Jankowsky.
#4 is one of the three deputy governors appointed by Blagojevich.
#5 is apparently, Rep. Jeese Jackson Jr.
#6 is someone with a lot of money. A Pritzker is suspected to be #6.

Madigan has stated she was on the list according to ABC. Blago can't trust Obama for a pardon deal he should just burn the house down.

170 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:03:48am

re: #160 DisturbedEma
WOW, I mean I don't have much respect for Obama anyway, but after all the Unions did for him - and especially the UAW - TONS of money, 85,000 "volunteers" working the phones, stuffing envelopes, going door to door - geez, I don't really see how he could not help them.
BTW - on the DT some lizard posted comparisions of last years car finances, and not surprisingly, Honda made a BIG profit, but they had the SAME gross sales as GM (THAT surprised me) and while Honda made a good profit, GM LOST money!
I just don't know where the UAW is gonna go - especially if Obama doesn't almost literally rush to their aid.

171 dahozho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:04:29am

re: #144 3 wood

The only thing they really think he did wrong was get caught.

I bet a whole bunch of offices are getting swept for bugs today.

In a sane world, Obama should now understand what a liability his Blackberry is. I wonder if a subpoena isn't already waiting...

Secret Service to Teh One-- "See, sir? Your Blackberry and its records are subpoenable. Do we really need to continue to talk you down from the filing cabinet, or will you hand it over now?"

172 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:04:41am

re: #169 lifeofthemind

Madigan has stated she was on the list according to ABC. Blago can't trust Obama for a pardon deal he should just burn the house down.

I think he will. . .Rezko too, G-d willing. . .Behold thy sting, Deus Ex Machine!

173 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:05:31am

re: #162 Honorary Yooper
Huh. I wonder if any of them would make a good Senator (I'm excluding Jesse Jr. cause I don't know much about him)?

174 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:05:45am

re: #165 Honorary Yooper

That was Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Panthers) who said that it should be a Black man or woman.

Thanks. Isn't he the one that kicked Obama's ass in his run for Congress?

175 kaymad  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:06:01am

On one hand I have to admit this is great fun. Just the fact that the AP has suddenly discovered Obama's shady connections is hilarious. On the other hand we as a country can not afford this kind of distraction, most importantly because of the terrorist threat. Who really wants a repeat of the Clinton years investigations and total sliminess?

The media has much to answer for. If they had done any sort of even a half-hearted investigation of Obama and his years in Chicago I don't think he'd be holding the office of president elect now.

176 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:06:04am

Now that the Messiah has thrown Blago under the bus, the left wing will turn on Blago with a fury.

It's going to get ugly

177 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:06:16am

re: #170 realwest

WOW, I mean I don't have much respect for Obama anyway, but after all the Unions did for him - and especially the UAW - TONS of money, 85,000 "volunteers" working the phones, stuffing envelopes, going door to door - geez, I don't really see how he could not help them.
BTW - on the DT some lizard posted comparisions of last years car finances, and not surprisingly, Honda made a BIG profit, but they had the SAME gross sales as GM (THAT surprised me) and while Honda made a good profit, GM LOST money!
I just don't know where the UAW is gonna go - especially if Obama doesn't almost literally rush to their aid.

I love 4 dollar gas
SUVs should not be driven
I want green cars
Change

That is the writing UAW is now seeing. . .and he is not rushing ANYWHERE, except to a sandy beach in Wakkii

178 dahozho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:06:58am

re: #166 funky chicken

Sorry, but I doubt it. Mukasey could have gotten DOJ into ACORN, illegal overseas fundraising, caucus fraud/intimidation at any time. He and DOJ did nothing. Local FBI offices were raiding ACORN offices, and bloggers were investigating the fundraising fraud.

It honestly reminds me of the pre-9/11 situation where local FBI offices were screaming about weird guys in flight schools, and asking for permission to go after Zac Moussaoui, and getting rejected by the DOJ.

sigh. You see? Incurably optimistic, me. Maybe the next 4 years will cure it...

179 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:07:29am

re: #161 realwest

See Youper at #162, pretty good list from what I'm hearing.

180 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:07:51am

re: #175 kaymad

On one hand I have to admit this is great fun. Just the fact that the AP has suddenly discovered Obama's shady connections is hilarious. On the other hand we as a country can not afford this kind of distraction, most importantly because of the terrorist threat. Who really wants a repeat of the Clinton years investigations and total sliminess?

The media has much to answer for. If they had done any sort of even a half-hearted investigation of Obama and his years in Chicago I don't think he'd be holding the office of president elect now.

In the immortal words of John McClain. . .Die Hard I

Hey MSM,

"welcome to the party, pal!"

181 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:09:00am

re: #173 realwest

Huh. I wonder if any of them would make a good Senator (I'm excluding Jesse Jr. cause I don't know much about him)?

Depends. Lisa Madigan would be a decent Senator. Jarrett would be Obama's crony in the Senate. Jankowsky is a twit, IMHO. Jesse Jr would've been interesting to see, but I don't like him. One of the deputy governors would've been Blago's cronies in the Senate, and might've stepped aside to provide Blago with a parachute.

182 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:09:10am

re: #169 lifeofthemind

Madigan has stated she was on the list according to ABC. Blago can't trust Obama for a pardon deal he should just burn the house down.

Are any of the people on the list accused of offering bribes, or were they just solicited by Blago? Based on the ABC story, it sounds like Jesse Jr.'s people made an offer. I'm pretty sure that's a crime, too.

183 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:09:11am
184 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:09:13am

re: #163 doppelganglander
Well if Blago doesn't make one, who would? And although Blago is under indictment, I think he's still legally qualified to remain Govenor - so who the hell is he gonna name - or would he just let the seat go vacant?!

185 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:09:35am

re: #174 doppelganglander

Thanks. Isn't he the one that kicked Obama's ass in his run for Congress?

Ironically, yes.

186 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:10:17am

re: #152 realwest

I'm sorry but this is hard for me to follow: why is Jesse Jr. out of the running now? And his dad took himself out of the running with his comments about Obama's nuts!

In Chicago, if you are dumb enough to get caught putting in the fix, you are by definition disqualified from further consideration.

The crooks can not afford to have anybody around who are dumb enough to get caught.

It's bad for business all around.

187 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:10:48am

re: #184 realwest

Well if Blago doesn't make one, who would? And although Blago is under indictment, I think he's still legally qualified to remain Govenor - so who the hell is he gonna name - or would he just let the seat go vacant?!

The seat will be vacant for the time being. The General Assembly is puting together a law to change this. We will have a special election for Senator instead of an appointment.

188 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #166 funky chicken
Yup, spot on post there. I just don't understand DOJ or Bush (or frankly, Clinton before him when folks where sending in information to the FBI).

189 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:10:56am

re: #171 dahozho

In a sane world, Obama should now understand what a liability his Blackberry is. I wonder if a subpoena isn't already waiting...

Secret Service to Teh One-- "See, sir? Your Blackberry and its records are subpoenable. Do we really need to continue to talk you down from the filing cabinet, or will you hand it over now?"

Excellent point, upding.

190 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:12:26am

Instapundit had this: LOL holy sh*t. Not that I expect it to make any difference, sadly.

Ill. governor meeting with Obama today

By Carol Sowers
Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.

CHICAGO, ILL. -- Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

That's one of Obama's first priorities today.

He's meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it.

Illinois law states that the governor chooses that replacement.

There's already been speculation about his selection...from Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. of Chicago's south side who co-chaired Obama's presidential campaign, to recently-retired state senate president Emil Jones, to the governor himself.

It's likely the governor will make his decision quickly so the new senator will get some seniority before newly-elected senators take office in January.

Part of the timing depends on when Obama officially vacates his senate seat.

KHQA's Alexis Hunt is speaking with Illinois Senator John Sullivan today about his thoughts on that replacement process, his time working with Obama in the state senate, and if there's a chance Sullivan might play a role in the Obama administration. Watch KHQA News at 5:00, 6:00 and 10:00 p.m. tonight to hear what he has to say.

[Link: www.connecttristates.com...]

191 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:12:45am

re: #189 lifeofthemind

Excellent point, upding.

I agree. . .hand over the *___BERRY!

*I do not see color. . .///

192 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:13:20am

re: #168 DisturbedEma
LOL! Loved your simple critique of the possibles, but who do you think might take it? As doppleganglander said upthread, ANYONE Blago nominates or appoints is gonna be under a cloud of suspicion.

193 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:13:49am

The Electoral College votes on Monday. After that if Obama resigns before inauguration day, I think his physical health is very shaky from what I've heard, then Biden is Veep and McCainis POTUS.

194 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:14:09am

re: #184 realwest

Well if Blago doesn't make one, who would? And although Blago is under indictment, I think he's still legally qualified to remain Govenor - so who the hell is he gonna name - or would he just let the seat go vacant?!

If he resigns (which I doubt he will), the Lt. Gov. becomes Governor and makes the appointment. The state legislature is planning an emergency session, I believe, to impeach him and remove him ASAP. Again, the job goes to the Lt. Gov.

195 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:14:15am

re: #190 funky chicken

Instapundit had this: LOL holy sh*t. Not that I expect it to make any difference, sadly.


[Link: www.connecttristates.com...]

Let it go VIRAL. . .get it to Drudge. . .On Fox on CNN. . .fight for us, and regain your honor. . .and we may release you from your living death. . .

LOTR make all better:)

196 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:14:32am

Rush is asking the question. Why did they stop the investigation BEFORE bluh-GOY’-uh-vich actually sold the seat?

197 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:14:47am

This article is from November (via poster at ace) ...somebody got some explaining to do ...or maybe not since he is The One ...

CHICAGO, ILL. -- Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

That's one of Obama's first priorities today.

He's meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it.

Illinois law states that the governor chooses that replacement.

There's already been speculation about his selection...from Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. of Chicago's south side who co-chaired Obama's presidential campaign, to recently-retired state senate president Emil Jones, to the governor himself.

[Link: www.connecttristates.com...]

198 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:15:22am

re: #191 DisturbedEma

I agree. . .hand over the *___BERRY!

*I do not see color. . .///

Sure I left it right here safe in the microwave.

199 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:15:23am

re: #190 funky chicken

Sorry funky ...we must have been posting at the same time ...

200 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:16:02am

re: #171 dahozho

In a sane world, Obama should now understand what a liability his Blackberry is. I wonder if a subpoena isn't already waiting...

Secret Service to Teh One-- "See, sir? Your Blackberry and its records are subpoenable. Do we really need to continue to talk you down from the filing cabinet, or will you hand it over now?"

sorry dude, but you're living on Fantasy Island. Mukasey and the Bush DOJ ain't going after Obama or anything/anybody close enough to bring him down.

Obama won't even get the Sandy Berger treatment, IMHO.

201 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:16:33am

re: #195 DisturbedEma

Let it go VIRAL. . .get it to Drudge. . .On Fox on CNN. . .fight for us, and regain your honor. . .and we may release you from your living death. . .

LOTR make all better:)

DE ...I think it is ...I saw it at Ace ...and FunkyC saw it at Insta ...maybe Charles can make a thread ...

202 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:17:34am

re: #192 realwest

LOL! Loved your simple critique of the possibles, but who do you think might take it? As doppleganglander said upthread, ANYONE Blago nominates or appoints is gonna be under a cloud of suspicion.

Well, as has been pointed out- anyone who gets caught is out. . .so, really those that have a tie to Blago will have a built in tap supoena. . .I really hope for an up and comer. . .an unknown. . .a Palin. . .hey I can dream. . .delude myself. . .

Your question? I have no idea who would get it at this point- all this dirty laundry flapping in the breeze in the Windy city is stenching it up!

203 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:17:35am

re: #171 dahozho
Actually, any sort of cell phone can be "tapped" without court approval for a wiretap because they are radio transmission devices which could be heard by folks listening on the right bandwidth. If I were them, I write a question, comment or idea down - show it to someone, get an answer and burn the paper!

204 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:18:17am

re: #199 JacksonTn

:-)

Like I said, Axelrod and Obama have lied about Ayers and Wright and lots of other stuff...easily debunked/exposed lies. They never paid a price, and they won't this time either.

But it's fun to laugh at them, and at the stupidity of the media and the majority of American voters.

Hey, it's either laugh or cry.

205 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:18:33am

re: #198 lifeofthemind

Sure I left it right here safe in the microwave.

The only way to fry. . .

206 MJBrutus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:20:01am

Blago,

I didn't do anything wrong. This is the way liberal Democrap pols have been running Illinois for generations!

207 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:20:08am

re: #204 funky chicken

:-)

Like I said, Axelrod and Obama have lied about Ayers and Wright and lots of other stuff...easily debunked/exposed lies. They never paid a price, and they won't this time either.

But it's fun to laugh at them, and at the stupidity of the media and the majority of American voters.

Hey, it's either laugh or cry.

I vote for laughing till tears run down my face ...

208 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:20:14am

re: #177 DisturbedEma
Well, even though I didn't respect him before, if he throws the unions under the bus (mind you the UAW in particular is GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE) then he's just a political POS.

209 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:20:29am

re: #196 midwestgak

Rush is asking the question. Why did they stop the investigation BEFORE bluh-GOY’-uh-vich actually sold the seat?

It apparently has to do with Blago putting pressure on the Chicago Tribune to fire a board member. Fitzgerald was worried about the Tribune either leaking the story or the board member getting fired unjustly for cooperating with a government investigation.

210 kaymad  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:20:46am

I don't know why, but I've always liked Jesse Jackson Jr. He's on WLS every week, the first time I heard him I didn't realize who it was until after his segment and was surprised at his easy going humor and (seemingly) level headed approach to certain issues. So it's to bad, but I guess it shouldn't be surprising that he may be senate candidate #5.

211 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:22:53am

re: #179 3 wood
Well I obviously don't know any of them (although have heard of Jankowitz and Jesse Jr) wouldn't they have a tough time just because they got appointed by Blago?
I think Chicago - or rather Illinois is in deep shit over this - and I feel for all the good citizens in Illinois,even if they did stick us with Obama.

212 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:24:25am

re: #197 JacksonTn

Great point for those who have linked this.

The MSM will now shift into full tilt Protect The Messiah mode.

They will not ask a question about this.

213 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:24:28am

re: #181 Honorary Yooper
I'm sorry, musta taken a stupid pill with my other meds, but I don't understand: "One of the deputy governors would've been Blago's cronies in the Senate, and might've stepped aside to provide Blago with a parachute."

214 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:26:31am

re: #213 realwest

I'm sorry, musta taken a stupid pill with my other meds, but I don't understand: "One of the deputy governors would've been Blago's cronies in the Senate, and might've stepped aside to provide Blago with a parachute."

OK, Blago was thinking of nominating one of his deputy governors to the Senate. He knew the guy would step aside for Blago on demand. Blago intended that to be a way to parachute out of the hot seat he was in, in the governor's office.

215 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:29:07am

re: #190 funky chicken
WOW, just WOW! Wonder if anyone in the MSM is picking up on this (I know, I know, eternal optimist here!).
Y'all ought to send that to the NY Slimes just to smack 'em in the face with it!

216 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:30:15am
The governor’s attorney, Sheldon Sorosky, said Tuesday he didn’t know of any immediate plans for the governor to resign. Blagojevich believes he didn’t do anything wrong and asks Illinois residents to have faith in him, Sorosky said.

Just like O.J., who cried last week that he didn't know he was doing anything illegal.

Scumbags.

217 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:30:30am

re: #194 doppelganglander
Well that would make sense - who is the LT Gov. and is he as crooked as Blago?

218 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:31:56am

re: #208 realwest

Well, even though I didn't respect him before, if he throws the unions under the bus (mind you the UAW in particular is GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE) then he's just a political POS.

Ok, I am in a union, I lost my job because I crossed the union did not get a renewed contract. . .unions take care of those who take care of them. . .solidarity. . .some level of corruption in many. . .remember the Umpire Union mess. . .so with that disclaimer-

In my chapter, union members saw this election as the return to the glory years where canidates competed for union endorsement, and they threw their hats into this 3 ring circus. . .expecting a place of honor under the big top. . .

Based on dear leaders cabniet picks, his deafening silence on the local windows and the big 3. . .my fellow union members should be getting their elephant pooper scoopers about now. . .that will be their cut of the circus. . .

219 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #211 realwest

The Lt. Governor Pat Quinn is a pretty good sort.

Madigan got her job cause her Dad is the majority leader in the State legislature (see how things work in Illinois?). Understand, at the very time she was contacting Blago to be appointed Senator, she knew about the Federal investigation, but she was still sniffing around for a favor from Blago.

If had some legal dealings with her and I was very unimpressed with her intellect.

The rest are a bunch of political hacks.

220 The Hoopster  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:34:51am

What's the bidding up to for the US Senators's seat from Ill.?
I need to consult with my loan officer

221 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:34:53am

re: #214 Honorary Yooper
Ah. But why wouldn't Blago just appoint himself to begin with?
Sorry,I get confused when all the real corruption in politics is revealed!

222 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:35:17am

re: #220 HoosierHoops

What's the bidding up to for the US Senators's seat from Ill.?
I need to consult with my loan officer

Hmmm, yes. . .put THAT under the tree this Christmas. . .

223 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:35:43am

re: #221 realwest

Ah. But why wouldn't Blago just appoint himself to begin with?
Sorry,I get confused when all the real corruption in politics is revealed!

There there, that just means you are decent. . .:)

224 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:36:47am

blago denies he did anything wrong.
and as far as chicago politics go, cheating, lying, scheming. extortion, graft and stealing is not wrong. it is business as usual.
spit.

225 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:37:01am

re: #220 HoosierHoops
Consult with your loan officer - see the bailout has helped unlock credit! LOL!

226 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:38:02am

re: #224 nyc redneck
Oh no, Blago did indeed do something wrong - he got caught!

227 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:38:50am

re: #220 HoosierHoops

What's the bidding up to for the US Senators's seat from Ill.?
I need to consult with my loan officer

It's probably on Ebay

228 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:39:56am

re: #226 realwest

Oh no, Blago did indeed do something wrong - he got caught!

Yup, kiss of death. . .

229 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:39:58am

re: #220 HoosierHoops

What's the bidding up to for the US Senators's seat from Ill.?
I need to consult with my loan officer

Hey, maybe we could all pitch in and get 3 wood the seat. Then he could send us earmarks to pay back all those crazy loans we took out to buy him the seat.

230 Noam Chumpski  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:40:51am

Oh, wow. That's so classy.

231 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:41:03am

re: #224 nyc redneck

blago denies he did anything wrong.
and as far as chicago politics go, cheating, lying, scheming. extortion, graft and stealing is not wrong. it is business as usual.
spit.

Yes, BUT to flaunt it so stupidly in such close proximity to dear leader. . .Off with you!

232 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:41:40am

re: #229 funky chicken

Hey, maybe we could all pitch in and get 3 wood the seat. Then he could send us earmarks to pay back all those crazy loans we took out to buy him the seat.

Sigh. . .I actually paused at that. . .sigh again. . .

233 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:42:00am

Wow. Somebody linked this up top.

India not amused by Chinese suggestion of Hindu group behind Mumbai terror attacks

(TibetanReview.net, Dec 10) — India is not in the least amused by a suggestion in a report in the Communist Chinese party newspaper People’s Daily Nov 28 that a Hindu group could be behind the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. No other news report anywhere else, except in Pakistan, had made such a wild suggestion. The IANS news agency Dec 8 said the Indian government has taken “serious note” of it. "We have taken serious note of this misleading and mischievous report and taken it up with appropriate authorities," it quoted unnamed official sources as saying.

“Although a group called Deccan Mujahideen has claimed responsibility for the attack, it can be seen from the red thread worn by the attackers around their waist that they could be Hindu youth,” the People’s Daily report had speculated. The report was written by Ren Yan, the paper’s Mumbai-based correspondent.

“Analysts are quoted as saying that radical elements from Hinduism could also carry out this attack, because they have long opposed the US’ hegemonistic policies,” the report had claimed. However, it neither named the analysts or the sources where the supposed analysts had been quoted.

The report also conjectured that the Mumbai terror attacks could be the handiwork of “radical elements within the Hindu community” who are “unhappy with domestic and foreign policies of the Congress-led government”, suggesting they could have been designed to influence the outcome of the general elections.

And while India kept pressuring Pakistan to take strong measures against the terrorist group responsible for the Mumbai carnage, China was lauding Islamabad for its claimed efforts, noted the IANS report.

The report was obviously a very crude show of China’s "all-weather friend” bond with Pakistan.

234 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:42:12am

"asks Illinois residents to have faith in him"

This Illinois resident is not doing the faith thing...Resign, by the end of business today.

235 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:42:19am

re: #223 DisturbedEma
LOL! Well when I was an adjunct professor, a majority of the adjunct faculty voted to go union and they picked: The UAW! NO shit. The UAW who didn't have any idea of how to represent teachers!
Had a run in with 'em though and their chief General Counsel sent me a threatening letter - really VERY HARSH letter - then I wrote back that I was an Adjunct Professor of LAW and she could stick it with her threats.
She changed her tone immediately. I think Union leaders do very, very little for their members.

236 3 wood  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:42:37am

re: #221 realwest

Ah. But why wouldn't Blago just appoint himself to begin with?
Sorry,I get confused when all the real corruption in politics is revealed!

That is cause you are at heart an honest man.

In Chicago, part of the whole deal is putting in "the fix".

This way he could have his cake and eat it too.

Get a pay off for the appointment, stay governor for as long as he could take the heat and work the job for even more pay offs, and still have the option to have his appointee step aside so he could (in his mind) safely parachute to the Senate position if possible.

In Chicago, you always work the leverage and the angles.

That is how Obama made it.

237 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:43:13am

re: #227 3 wood
ROTFLMAO!

238 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:49:02am

While at lunch I read in the dead tree version of the Wall Street Journal that Governor Blagojevich tried to extort $50,000 from a Children's Hospital.

The ancient Greeks had words to describe this kind of man...a lowlife motherf*cker.

239 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:49:44am

i feel so bad for the people of illinois. everyone who isn't on the take in the chicago criminal cabal is being used and abused. their rights abridged. their taxes stolen.
the graft is staggering.
it is disgusting to think abt. the vice like grip these snakes have on the average person in illinois just trying to go abt. their business and live their lives.
blago is a fcking jack ass.
the corrupt chicago machine needs to be torn down NOW.

240 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:50:35am

re: #238 Dirk Diggler

While at lunch I read in the dead tree version of the Wall Street Journal that Governor Blagojevich tried to extort $50,000 from a Children's Hospital.

The ancient Greeks had words to describe this kind of man...a lowlife motherf*cker.

And a good Greek cocktail to go with it, Hemlock...

241 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:53:45am

Did a little poking around. For all of you who think Blago's gonna go down quietly, a couple of years ago, Dick Mell, Blago's FIL, said the following:

Mell accused Blagojevich of being so politically opportunistic that he would "throw anyone under the bus."

He's not going to go down without a fight, and I figure he's not going alone.

242 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 10:58:14am

re: #171 dahozho

In a sane world, Obama should now understand what a liability his Blackberry is. I wonder if a subpoena isn't already waiting...

Secret Service to Teh One-- "See, sir? Your Blackberry and its records are subpoenable. Do we really need to continue to talk you down from the filing cabinet, or will you hand it over now?"

Oh, just tase him, bro...

JAFLW

243 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:01:00am

well, see ya all later.

My point isn't that Blago won't try to take some folks down with him. my point is that he won't say or do a thing that could hurt the Obamassiah, and no DOJ person is going to try to force him to do it.

Thus, the Obamassiah is quite safe and comfortable, and he knows it.

244 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:01:16am
Blagojevich believes he didn’t do anything wrong

Of course thats what he believes. He's a hardcore criminal.

245 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:02:45am

There are alot of bad republicans, but no good democrats.

246 Birdalone  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:11:07am

Blago HAS to be going for the insanity defense. This is psycopathic behavior.

247 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:56am

re: #211 realwest

Well I obviously don't know any of them (although have heard of Jankowitz and Jesse Jr) wouldn't they have a tough time just because they got appointed by Blago?
I think Chicago - or rather Illinois is in deep shit over this - and I feel for all the good citizens in Illinois,even if they did stick us with Obama.

uhem, the American voters stuck us with Obama.

248 garycooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:19:04pm

Blago sounds just like the erstwhile mayor of the fair city of Detroit, our beloved Kwame Kilpatrick, currently cooling his heels for five years or so in the pen. Oh, Kwame, we hardly knew ye!

"Perjury and obstruction of justice," Blago. That's what you need to watch out for, now. Just ask Kwame.

249 garycooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:26:14pm

re: #235 realwest

LOL! Well when I was an adjunct professor, a majority of the adjunct faculty voted to go union and they picked: The UAW! NO shit. The UAW who didn't have any idea of how to represent teachers!
Had a run in with 'em though and their chief General Counsel sent me a threatening letter - really VERY HARSH letter - then I wrote back that I was an Adjunct Professor of LAW and she could stick it with her threats.
She changed her tone immediately. I think Union leaders do very, very little for their members.

I've been doing a lot of thinking about the auto industry here in Detroit, and the UAW, of which I was a member for a time in college. I have gained some new perspective. I still think the Detroit 3 need and deserve federal assistance, but I also think this would be the time to make some serious changes in the corporate structure and UAW-contracts...changes which I doubt will be severe enough, given the current state of discussion in Washington.

I came across this gem, recently:
[Link: info.detnews.com...]

Pay attention to the last few words...says a lot.

There is no reason why the American auto industry shouldn't be rebuilding itself in Michigan, along these same lines. Well, there are lots of reasons, but that mentality needs to be overcome, if the state and Detroit 3 are desirous of keeping any of the auto industry in the region.

I never thought I'd say this, but I think it's time to crush the bloated carcass of the UAW, and totally rewrite the rules of the game. Employees would still have plenty of protection under current US labor laws, but the companies need to have final say over which plants are closed, how many employees are needed per plant, and how the suppliers are melded into the chain of production. The old way doesn't work anymore, hasn't for a long time.

Btw, I also think the grossly-overpaid execs need a major comedown, in line with what their counterparts in the German and Japanese auto industries are making. Never mind the pig-whores at Merrill-Lynch and other financial rip-off institutions, who should all be jailed: [Link: extremeinequality.org...]

250 winston06  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:14:42pm

Welcome to Obama's world of politics

251 Perplexed  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 7:51:58am

re: #144 3 wood

The only thing they really think he did wrong was get caught.

I bet a whole bunch of offices are getting swept for bugs today.

Rather worthless when they can intercept cell phone conversations without too much work or pop on over to one of the major telecom switches and do a drop off of one the T1 lines. Monitoring of telecom signals gets easier and easier.

252 Perplexed  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 8:00:20am

re: #203 realwest

Actually, any sort of cell phone can be "tapped" without court approval for a wiretap because they are radio transmission devices which could be heard by folks listening on the right bandwidth. If I were them, I write a question, comment or idea down - show it to someone, get an answer and burn the paper!

Realwest, that would get you in a whole lot of trouble. Even a cell phone intercept requires a wiretap warrant. Remember the goons who intercepted Newt's (IIRC) cell phone conversation then passed off the transcripts of it?


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