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Obama Did Discuss Senate Seat with Blagojevich - Update: KHQA Pulls Their Articles

Politics | Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:00:02 am PST

Barack Obama has denied ever discussing his Senate seat replacement with Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich.

But that was apparently not true. A November 8th article at the KHQA website reports:

QUINCY, IL — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

Obama met with Governor Rod Blagojevich earlier this week to discuss it.

(Hat tip: JammieWearingFool.)

UPDATE at 12/10/08 11:17:50 am:

Another KHQA article on the meeting, from November 5th: Who will fill Obama’s senate seat?

CHICAGO, ILL. — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

That’s one of Obama’s first priorities today.

He’s meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it.

UPDATE at 12/10/08 11:48:08 am:

And at the Illinois Government News Network, an announcement that the meeting took place and the Senate seat was discussed, with the headline:

Governor Blagojevich Congratulates President-elect Obama and Discusses U.S. Senate Seat

UPDATE at 12/10/08 12:21:23 pm:

Curiouser and curiouser. KHQA has taken down both of their articles about the meeting, with no explanation.

UPDATE at 12/10/08 2:30:04 pm:

KHQA has now issued “a clarification:”

The story housed in our website archive was on the morning of November 5, 2008. It suggested that a meeting was scheduled later that day between President Elect Obama and Illinois Governor Blagojevich. KHQA has no knowledge that any meeting ever took place. Governor Blagojevich did appear at a news conference in Chicago on that date.

However, there’s still no explanation for why they reported on November 8th that the meeting had taken place.

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1 SpaceJesus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:00:54am

busted

2 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:01:00am

Obama lied! I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!

3 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:01:15am

Liar, liar, cigarette on fire!

4 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:01:44am

You mean Obama lied? Shocking!

///

5 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:02:07am

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Obama lied! I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!

D*mn, you beat me.

6 bmorte  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:02:11am

After reading the 75 page document, I do not know how Obama could not have known about this.

7 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:02:22am

Waiting for the MSM to cover this in 5...4...3...2...

/not holding breath

8 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:02:22am

Things move faster in this modern world, looks like a scandal before taking office.

Feh.

9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:03:04am

This will not touch Barry. The most that will happen is some lackey of his gets tossed under the bus as well.

10 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:03:10am

Crashing down, I say.

11 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:03:17am

BWAAAHAHAHAA!

12 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:03:37am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This will not touch Barry. The most that will happen is some lackey of his gets tossed under the bus as well.

The question is which lackey?

13 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:03:56am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This will not touch Barry. The most that will happen is some lackey of his gets tossed under the bus as well.

Hopefully, it will hit Jesse Jackson, Jr, the infamous "Senate Candidate #5." He's just as corrupt as his father.

14 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:04:03am

Byline: Quincy, Illinois
The town I was born in.
Wasn't always a redstateredneck!

15 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:04:05am

Like I said on the last thread, don't confuse The One with "facts".

/waves hand again

16 MadJadBad  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:04:08am

Will they ever release full transcripts of the wiretaps?

17 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:04:24am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) I'm afraid you're right about that - and maybe only then if the MSM should do it's job and report on this.
Not holding my breath.

18 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:04:37am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This will not touch Barry. The most that will happen is some lackey of his gets tossed under the bus as well.

You are so right.

19 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:04:44am

re: #16 MadJadBad

Will they ever release full transcripts of the wiretaps?

Never. Happen. Ever!

20 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:04:54am

The One just got fact checked.

21 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:05:15am

re: #13 Wyatt Earp

Hopefully, it will hit Jesse Jackson, Jr, the infamous "Senate Candidate #5." He's just as corrupt as his father.

I just wonder if they were gonna pay for the seat with Rainbow money.

22 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:05:16am

Obama lied, democracy died!

23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:05:22am

re: #16 MadJadBad

Will they ever release full transcripts of the wiretaps?

I think they're running out of *BLEEP*s.

real answer; probably not until they've wrapped up every angle of the investigation

24 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:05:38am

re: #14 redstateredneck
Hey {red} I didn't know you was a BORNED Yankee! LOL!
Hey didja ever reach m today?

25 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:05:39am

re: #21 redstateredneck

I just wonder if they were gonna pay for the seat with Rainbow money.

Well its not as if he has cash from any legitimate job

26 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:05:47am

re: #21 redstateredneck

I just wonder if they were gonna pay for the seat with Rainbow money.

And what might have Jesse Sr. gotten out of it?

27 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:06:16am

re: #21 redstateredneck

I just wonder if they were gonna pay for the seat with Rainbow money.

"Senate seat . . . over the Rainbow . . . "

28 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:06:45am

-Well, yeah, I mean that discussion, yeah. But that was the only time.

29 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:06:54am

But the big hammer of Justice keeps coming down.. After OJ I thought it would be a good while before Karma struck again.
What's that song? Raining men?
I think Buzz should do a song called raining Karma.

30 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:06:57am

However it doesn't mean that Obama is going to get implicated in the investigation. This could go either way but I'm not expecting Obama to become a target of the investigation.

31 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:07:05am

I really wished that Fitzgerald had let him actually sell the seat and then nailed the whole bunch of them. It would have been so much better to take down a sitting governor and his improperly appointed senate appointee.

Imagine the carnage.

32 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:07:06am
33 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:07:06am

Liar, liar, Senate seat on fire!

34 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:07:12am
35 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:07:26am

Fitzmas?

36 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:07:26am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)Actually they won't release the transcripts at all until there is a verdict - plea or trial.

37 badger1970  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:07:49am

re: #4 Ford_Prefect

No, it's called I the "I don't recall defense." The Clintons perfected it. He has learned well- our young soon to be president-elect.

38 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:07:55am

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Fitzmas?

Quoi?

39 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:08:03am

re: #12 Jetpilot1101

The question is which lackey?

Well, Rahm Emanuel seems to be the "President-elect Advisor" mentioned in the Complaint. Blagojevich wanted to discuss the "Fifth CD thing" with the President-elect Advisor.

Emanuel was the Representative from Illinois's Fifth Congressional District when he became Obama's Chief of Staff. Ironically, it's Blago's old district too, and Rostenkowski's before that.

40 kafir lover  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:08:06am

So are you saying that when Obama swears on the Bible to uphold the Constitution we should be weary?

41 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:08:13am

It won't be covered on anything but the blogs anyway. Obama has more coats of Teflon than Reagan did! Also, the media is covering for him. I got so burned out over election politics, and now I find the mess still isn't over with. From the continued attacks on Palin, it looks like we are in the next election cycle already before the winners of the last one are sworn in (at?)

42 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:08:14am

For what it's worth:

1) This story seems pretty thin. I'll hold off criticizing Obama for lying, momentarily.

2) Maybe more importantly, whatever Obama's office did have to say to Blagojevich, it pissed him off. He complains on the FBI's tapes that the Obama administration "is not willing to give me anything but appreciation. … (Expletive) them."

Obama seems to be looking good in all this.

So far.

43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:08:18am

re: #17 realwest

I'm afraid you're right about that - and maybe only then if the MSM should do it's job and report on this.
Not holding my breath.

MSM won't go in depth and no government person will want to be the one to bring Barry down because of the the possible repurcussions to him personally and to the nation. If anything stops Barry from taking office, cities will burn.

44 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:08:26am
45 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:08:33am

re: #40 kafir lover

So are you saying that when Obama swears on the Bible to uphold the Constitution we should be weary?

YES.

46 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:08:52am

re: #40 kafir lover

So are you saying that when Obama swears on the Bible to uphold the Constitution we should be weary?

I don't know, but I'm tired of him already.

47 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:09:00am

re: #24 realwest

Hey {red} I didn't know you was a BORNED Yankee! LOL!
Hey didja ever reach m today?

Born a Yankee but been a southerner by marriage for 31 years.
I sent m an email. Haven't heard back from her.
:-(

48 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:09:22am

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

49 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:10:00am

re: #46 OldLineTexan

I don't know, but I'm tired of him already.

Just remember: the MUTE button is your friend.

50 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:10:20am

I got two words for Barry: Spiro Agnew.

51 rightside  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:10:30am

Not 100% that they met

Let's see how they cover up spin this.

52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:10:40am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

Force of habit

53 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:10:41am

re: #49 MandyManners

Just remember: the MUTE button is your friend.

I want Mystery Science Theater 3000 to do send-ups live during all his speeches.

54 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:10:42am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

And so what if he did talk to the governor? It isn't a crime to discuss your senate seat with the governor. All he had to say was he discussed it with Blago but didn't know about the corruption. MSM would have fawned all over him and Obama would have come out smelling like a rose.

55 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:10:44am

A politician lied. This is news?

56 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:10:49am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

Because he's a pathological liar in the mode of Clinton?

57 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:11:13am

Greyhound doesn't have enough buses for this scandal.

This should be fun. I'm buying stock in Orville Redenbacher.

58 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:11:14am

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Force of habit

Gotta' be.

59 jorline  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:11:29am

re: #3 Wyatt Earp

Liar, liar, cigarette on fire!

Liar, liar, pants on fire...oops, that Clinton.

60 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:11:45am

re: #42 Cognito

For what it's worth:

1) This story seems pretty thin. I'll hold off criticizing Obama for lying, momentarily.

2) Maybe more importantly, whatever Obama's office did have to say to Blagojevich, it pissed him off. He complains on the FBI's tapes that the Obama administration "is not willing to give me anything but appreciation. … (Expletive) them."

Obama seems to be looking good in all this.

So far.

There are several other media reports out there saying Obama has in fact discussed his replacement with the Governor.

61 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #53 OldLineTexan

I want Mystery Science Theater 3000 to do send-ups live during all his speeches.

I'm just gonna' ignore him. Heck, I did that for eight years of Clinton.

62 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:11:56am

re: #40 kafir lover

So are you saying that when Obama swears on the Bible to uphold the Constitution we should be weary?

weary and wary
;-)

63 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:11:57am

re: #40 kafir lover

So are you saying that when Obama swears on the Bible to uphold the Constitution we should be weary? that the Bible will burst into flames?

yes.

64 gop_patriot  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:12:26am

Small typo in the headline, looks like it's missing an "i"?

And why am I not surprised that Obama has been caught in yet another blatant lie? Oh yeah, he's a Democrat, they do that. Carry on.

65 David Simon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:12:28am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

That's what I'd like to know.

I agree with Cognito; this is pretty thin. But why lie about it?

66 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:12:41am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

Because he's gotten away with it so often before?

67 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:12:46am

re: #54 Jetpilot1101

And so what if he did talk to the governor? It isn't a crime to discuss your senate seat with the governor. All he had to say was he discussed it with Blago but didn't know about the corruption. MSM would have fawned all over him and Obama would have come out smelling like a rose.

I wonder if he realized how Nixon stepped on his dick.

68 bmorte  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:00am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

There are so many things that he says that can be easily contradicted...that hasn't stopped him, and the media doesn't call him on it. He will get emboldened.

69 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:04am

I just hope that the FBI has this thing by the roots.

70 hailing frequencies open  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:06am

Oh, these pesky blogs!

It will be so much better when Dear Leader can abolish them and avoid these mean-spirited distractions keeping Him from Saving The Planet.

71 Clubsec  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:11am

Wow. Who'da thunk it? A politican from Chicago involved in corruption. Wow. The mind boggles.
Guess the NYT/LAT/WaPost were too busy getting ObamUH elected to dare examine his affilliations. (In general American's are noble idiots when it comes to politics and politicians.)
So now let us watch and be amazed at how the MSM will 'handle' this 'sticky' issue for The Messiah. (And they called Reagan 'The Teflon President). Will Fitzgerald convene a GJ? ... Because, I'm certain that Rahm Emanual will be brought before a one. Yea, right. (Executive Privledge BEFORE the fact.)
Nothing to see here. Move along.

72 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:11am

re: #56 Wyatt Earp

Because he's a pathological liar in the mode of Clinton?

Just four years, PLEASE!

73 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:13am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

Michelle told him to.

74 Alouette  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:22am

re: #65 David Simon

That's what I'd like to know.

I agree with Cognito; this is pretty thin. But why lie about it?

For practice.

75 Sizzlack  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:56am

re: #67 MandyManners

I wonder if he realized how Nixon stepped on his dick.

Wow Nixon coulda been a pornstar with a unit long enough to step on.

76 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:13:57am

re: #70 hailing frequencies open

Oh, these pesky blogs!

It will be so much better when Dear Leader can abolish them and avoid these mean-spirited distractions keeping Him from Saving The Planet.

Fairness Doctrine FTW.

/ker-*barf*

77 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:04am

re: #69 bosforus

I just hope that the FBI has this thing by the roots.

And by "roots," you mean balls.

78 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:13am

From the Gov. Blago's office ...press release on November 5 ...

[Link: www.illinois.gov...]


Wonder how far in advance they had their staff sinc the calendars? ...

79 harrylook  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:21am

Yeah, we know the drill: he didn't hear Wright's nasty sermons; he doesn't really know Ayers; Khalidi is just another guy he met a couple times, etc. Why stop lying if you never get called on it?

80 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:28am

re: #65 David Simon

That's what I'd like to know.

I agree with Cognito; this is pretty thin. But why lie about it?

Knee-jerk? Scared?

81 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:30am

re: #72 MandyManners

Just four years, PLEASE!

What do you think? Will Michelle run when Barack is done?

82 Birdalone  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:39am

The Obama presidency will never lose this shadow, no matter what the media does. No confidence, no economic recovery. The most expensive civics lesson in U.S. history.

83 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:39am

re: #31 Jetpilot1101

Rush is lamenting that right now.

84 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:49am

re: #61 MandyManners
I was thinking of doing that too - but the WoT makes that impossible now.

85 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:14:57am

re: #66 Silhouette

Because he's gotten away with it so often before?

He's addicted to lies.

86 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:15:06am

Instapundit had a better article linked. JacksonTN and I had it in the Blago thread comments.

But so what? The Bush DOJ isn't even going to give Obama the Sandy Berger treatment, IMHO. Local cops and FBI offices were all over ACORN, and the Bush DOJ? crickets. Bloggers were all over the fraudulent Obama fundraising, and the Bush DOJ? crickets.

Honestly, it reminds me of the local FBI offices screaming about "pilots" like Zac Moussaoui pre 9/11 and being told by the Clinton and Bush DOJ that they couldn't have warrants.

87 maddogg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:15:10am

Gonna have to polish up that lying technique Obi-ma, there's still a long road to travel and a bunch more to tell...

88 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:15:15am

re: #60 Racer X

There are several other media reports out there saying Obama has in fact discussed his replacement with the Governor.

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

89 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:15:26am

re: #68 bmorte

There are so many things that he says that can be easily contradicted...that hasn't stopped him, and the media doesn't call him on it. He will get emboldened.

What goes before a fall?

90 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:15:33am

re: #81 Ford_Prefect

What do you think? Will Michelle run when Barack is done?

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

91 Catttt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:15:50am

Bad Boys

When you were eight
And you had bad traits
You go to school and you learn the golden rule
So why are you acting like a bloody fool
If you get hot you must get cool

Bad boys, bad boys
Watcha gonna do whatcha gonna do
When they come for you (repeat)

You chuck it on that one
You chuck it on this one
You chuck it on mother and
You chuck it on you father
You chuck it on you brother and
You chuck it on you sister
You chuck it on that one and you chuck it on me

Nobody naw give you no break
Police naw give you no break
Soldier naw give you no break
Not even you idren naw give you no break

92 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:04am

It's going to be a very interesting 4 years. . . if he stays in office that long!

93 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:06am

re: #31 Jetpilot1101

I really wished that Fitzgerald had let him actually sell the seat and then nailed the whole bunch of them. It would have been so much better to take down a sitting governor and his improperly appointed senate appointee.

Imagine the carnage.

I still think they kind of rushed it so they could subpoena Barry before he can squeal "Presidential Immunity"...

JAFLW

94 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:19am

re: #88 Cognito

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

Where are you getting your information?

95 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:23am

re: #73 Jetpilot1101

Michelle told him to.

"No *waffle* for you, Barry."

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:31am

re: #89 MandyManners

What goes before a fall?

A trip?

97 yochanan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:36am

the only time a pol. isn't lieing is when his lips are not moving.

98 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:39am

re: #79 harrylook
I think, honestly, that lying just comes naturally to him.
I mean he was part of the Chicago Machine - lying is par for the course for that.

99 moogie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:41am

So - my 16 year old daughter hears Barry say yesterday that he didn't know anything about the Blago problem etc etc and she says "Isn't this going to get old with BO always saying that he doesn't know anything- isn't this what BO did the during the whole campaign?"
Out of the mouth of babes!

100 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:43am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

QUINCY, IL — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

Obama met with Governor Rod Blagojevich earlier this week to discuss it.

No problem for BHO to wiggle out of this one.
They discussed the fact that the seat will have to be filled.
They did NOT discuss who the replacement would be.
End of problem.

101 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:16:49am

re: #75 Sizzlack

Wow Nixon coulda been a pornstar with a unit long enough to step on.

*sigh*

102 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:02am

re: #42 Cognito

For what it's worth:

1) This story seems pretty thin. I'll hold off criticizing Obama for lying, momentarily.

2) Maybe more importantly, whatever Obama's office did have to say to Blagojevich, it pissed him off. He complains on the FBI's tapes that the Obama administration "is not willing to give me anything but appreciation. … (Expletive) them."

Obama seems to be looking good in all this.

So far.

Yesterday, Obama said he never discussed the senate seat with Hot-rod.

Now we know that was a flat out lie!

The cover-up is always worse than the crime.

What was Obama trying to cover up?

103 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:05am

I'm sure the media will believe his claim that he never discussed it with Blago at the meeting.

104 David Simon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:16am

re: #74 Alouette

For practice.

There's definitely something a tad Clintonian about it. I do hope he doesn't start parsing the meaning of two letter words.

105 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:18am

re: #81 Ford_Prefect

What do you think? Will Michelle run when Barack is done?

Well, she will have the needed experience, right?

106 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:20am

re: #81 Ford_Prefect

What do you think? Will Michelle run when Barack is done?

*shudder*

STOP THAT.

107 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:30am

re: #81 Ford_Prefect

What do you think? Will Michelle run when Barack is done?

I think she expects to be appointed Empress for Life so she'll never again have the hassle of buying fresh fruit or paying for piano lessons for the kids.

108 Ackomanyuki  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:33am

We have in the recent past suffered the fools known as the L3s, prepare yourselves to suffer under the Chicago D3s (Dirty Damn Democrats).

109 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:34am

re: #88 Cognito

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

Have proof to support your claim?

110 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:41am

re: #90 Wyatt Earp

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Yeah, but I could easily see it happening.

111 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:45am

re: #31 Jetpilot1101

I really wished that Fitzgerald had let him actually sell the seat and then nailed the whole bunch of them. It would have been so much better to take down a sitting governor and his improperly appointed senate appointee.

Imagine the carnage.

I don't trust Fitz at all, frankly. He's the one who went after Libby and Cheney's staff EVEN THOUGH HE ALREADY KNEW THAT ARMITAGE/POWELL WERE THE SOURCE OF THE PLAME LEAK.

The guy is just as suspect as any of the other players, IMHO.

Obviously Blago became too much of a liability to somebody, and he is going down. Don't anybody expect any more really big fish to fall.

Sorry to be so cynical, but....

112 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:51am

re: #64 gop_patriot

Small typo in the headline, looks like it's missing an "i"?

And why am I not surprised that Obama has been caught in yet another blatant lie? Oh yeah, he's a Democrat, they do that. Carry on.

Democrats and Iranian VP's do it well.

Trust them all...............not

113 gop_patriot  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:53am

re: #54 Jetpilot1101

Exactly. What's the definition of a compulsive liar, they lie even when they don't have to or it would be better not to?

Compulsive Liar

A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right.

Scary.

114 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:17:59am

re: #99 moogie

Yeah it is going to get old. It is not even Jan. 20 yet.

115 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:02am

re: #80 MandyManners
Force of habit.

116 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:03am

re: #84 realwest

I was thinking of doing that too - but the WoT makes that impossible now.

I don't have to hear his voice to know what's going on.

117 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:08am

re: #107 doppelganglander

I think she expects to be appointed Empress for Life so she'll never again have the hassle of buying fresh fruit or paying for piano lessons for the kids.

Or answering the question, "Hey, weren't you Skeletor in the He-Man cartoon?"

118 LGoPs  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:16am

Obama lied....Blagovich fried
Catchy....

119 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:26am

re: #88 Cognito

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

Proof?

120 SteveC  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:31am

re: #67 MandyManners

I wonder if he realized how Nixon stepped on his dick.

SOMEHOW we always get back talking about bodyparts! :)

121 Jimmah  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:32am

Looks like Obama didn't google his lie before uttering it. Should be standard procedure for any politician.

122 David Simon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:40am

re: #80 MandyManners

Knee-jerk? Scared?

Plausible. He sounded as if he was trying so hard not to say the wrong thing.

123 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:47am

re: #99 moogie

So - my 16 year old daughter hears Barry say yesterday that he didn't know anything about the Blago problem etc etc and she says "Isn't this going to get old with BO always saying that he doesn't know anything- isn't this what BO did the during the whole campaign?"
Out of the mouth of babes!

Smart little girl you've got there.

124 treefish  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:18:48am

re: #3 Wyatt Earp


Yea! But, he didn't inhale.

125 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:01am

re: #97 yochanan

They can lie in print, but that is much more risky. Easier to track back, unless it's on the web and the flush it down the memory hole.

126 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:06am

re: #111 funky chicken
Cynical? More like realist if you ask me.

127 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:07am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

under stress, people revert to their lowest level of training, which, in his case, means you lie.

128 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:12am

re: #53 OldLineTexan

I want Mystery Science Theater 3000 to do send-ups live during all his speeches.

"He TRIIIIED to kill me with a forkliffft! (Olé!)"

129 Spider Mensch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:12am

nothing to do with this will touch obama. but these dems got the control now, and we all know todays golden children, can turn to old rust to the MSM by tomorrow, literally. they been flying under the radar due to the extreme Bush hatred, that won't be an excuse anymore. the dems have to wear the big boy pants now. no more wetting your diapers and blaming bush and the republicans. Notice is on all of them..obama, pelosi, franks and the rest of the peanut gallery. Everyone is watching them now. Put up or shut up dems. No more hiding.

130 MJ  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:14am

Will President Biden be sworn in?

131 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:33am

re: #117 Wyatt Earp

Or answering the question, "Hey, weren't you Skeletor in the He-Man cartoon?"

She doesn't answer. She just crushes the questioner with her massive biceps.

132 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:34am

re: #93 Just Another Four-letter Word

I still think they kind of rushed it so they could subpoena Barry before he can squeal "Presidential Immunity"...

JAFLW

Does it apply to his illegal actions committed prior to his taking the oath?

133 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:36am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?


My theory, is that he wanted to distance himself from the horse-trading that was going on behind the scenes.

Obviously, hot-rod was talking with someone on the Obama team. How else would hot-rod have the idea that he would not get a tangible kick-back?

Obama was saying that he was not doing that negotiation - even though he was aware that the negotiation was happening.

134 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:43am

re: #77 Wyatt Earp

And by "roots," you mean balls.

Exactly. Lots of names. Lots of balls. All tied together.

135 Charles  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:46am

re: #88 Cognito

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

That's exactly the opposite of reality.

136 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:50am

re: #113 gop_patriot

Exactly. What's the definition of a compulsive liar, they lie even when they don't have to or it would be better not to?


Scary.

Well then I guess America elected a compulsive liar to be president. I'm guessing other nations won't take too kindly to his lies. I thought he was supposed to restore confidence in America. Pretty hard to do that when you are telling whoppers all the time.

137 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:19:55am

re: #116 MandyManners
I meant he's gonna be the CiC in the WoT - kinda hard to ignore.

138 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:20:01am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A trip?

Pride. In this case, it's throbbing hubris.

139 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:20:02am

re: #88 Cognito

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

Bunk. It looks very much like he and Emanuel both did. Emanuel likes to twist people's arms, and it shows in the Complaint.

140 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:20:34am

re: #134 bosforus

Exactly. Lots of names. Lots of balls. All tied together.

Sounds like my vasectomy . . .

141 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:20:35am

Good Afternoon, everyone! I thought the one comment left at the bottom of this story was kinda ironic.....


"I was in the audience at another time when Director of VA Duckworth visited Quincy and was quite impressed. I do think she would be a good choice for Obama's replacement in the US Senate.

Is there a way we can influence the governor's decision?"

142 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:20:37am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A trip?


Summer?

143 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:20:43am

re: #123 doppelganglander

Smart little girl you've got there.

A smart young lady coz she has been raised to know truth from fiction.

{hats off to moogie}

144 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:20:55am

Look, give Barry a break, it's pretty easy to forget that you had a conversation with someone about something, on the day that it's announced in national/global headlines that that someone was arrested for the something you discussed with him.

Isn't it?

145 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:01am

re: #99 moogie

So - my 16 year old daughter hears Barry say yesterday that he didn't know anything about the Blago problem etc etc and she says "Isn't this going to get old with BO always saying that he doesn't know anything- isn't this what BO did the during the whole campaign?"
Out of the mouth of babes!

Sgt. Schultz is moving to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

146 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:30am

re: #130 MJ

Will President Biden be sworn in?

No. But I guarantee he will be sworn at.

147 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:35am

it is just not possible for the O to be spawned in such a cesspool and cavort w/ such vile people and criminal elements and yet, still emerge, smelling like a rose.
it doesn't happen like that.
i bet he is wondering when the msm will have to start doing it's job.
at least to save it's own last shred of credibility.
they will do it eventually.

148 moogie  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:40am

re: #123 doppelganglander

Smart little girl you've got there.

She is the same smart little girl that whenever Michele comes on the tube says "Run - and hid the children!"

149 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:41am

re: #141 CapeCoddah

Good Afternoon, everyone! I thought the one comment left at the bottom of this story was kinda ironic.....


"I was in the audience at another time when Director of VA Duckworth visited Quincy and was quite impressed. I do think she would be a good choice for Obama's replacement in the US Senate.

Is there a way we can influence the governor's decision?"


Rats...highlighted the wrong part.

150 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:42am
151 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:48am

re: #140 Wyatt Earp

Sounds like my vasectomy . . .

Actually, there's a vas deferens between the two.

152 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:52am

re: #100 Spare O'Lake

No problem for BHO to wiggle out of this one.
They discussed the fact that the seat will have to be filled.
They did NOT discuss who the replacement would be.
End of problem.

They discussed the shape, dimensions and upholstery!

153 Dianna  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:21:54am

And here we are, with Obama saying (in 3...2...1) that he doesn't recall...

154 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:22:05am

Uh oh, spinning wheel of doom.

155 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:22:10am

re: #88 Cognito

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

Hmmm....
Obama met with Governor Rod Blagojevich earlier this week to discuss it.

156 zelnaga  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:22:16am

As I understand it, Obama wanted a member of his campaign staff to be named his successor but Blagojevich didn't want to play ball - Blagojevich wanted something in return for appointing someone Obama wanted. Obama refused to cooperate and that was pretty much that.

My question is... do Senators normally get to pick their successors? It seems unlikely that a disgraced Senator would be allowed to do so, but maybe, for a Senator like Obama or Clinton, their successors opinion is given extra weight as a common courtesy?

Here's my source for the first paragraph:

[Link: thehill.com...]

157 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:22:24am

New update from Charles seems to indicate that a meeting took place on Nov. 5th.

I don't think Blago got what he wanted, as he was later reported to have said this, "They're not willing to give me anything except appreciation. [Expletive] them," about the Obama team.

-WSJ

158 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:22:26am

re: #88 Cognito

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

Can you post a link to back that up or are you talking out your ass?

159 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:22:46am

re: #151 bosforus

Actually, there's a vas deferens between the two.

What kind of cockamamy post is this?

160 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:22:51am

It would only be logical that Obambi would have had someone he wanted to take his place in the Senate so it would also be logical that he meet with the person responsible for appointing said senator. Why on earth did he deny it?

161 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:23:02am

re: #147 nyc redneck
Spot on.

162 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:23:03am

Uh oh, no "new comments" button of doom.

163 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:23:10am

re: #122 David Simon

Plausible. He sounded as if he was trying so hard not to say the wrong thing.

If you tell the truth, that's all you have to remember!

164 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:23:13am

re: #153 Dianna

And here we are, with Obama saying (in 3...2...1) that he doesn't recall...

Saddened ...he is always ...Saddened ...

165 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:23:28am

re: #159 father_of_10

Reply: Stand up comedy.

BBL

166 David Simon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:23:33am

re: #155 Racer X

Hmmm....
Obama met with Governor Rod Blagojevich earlier this week to discuss it.

Did you mean to link something else? That's dated November 8th.

167 harrylook  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:23:40am

Am I the only one annoyed by the sudden presumption of innocence some lizards are giving 0bama? What's the guy done to earn our trust or respect? Nothing, as far as I'm concerned. I assume he's lying at all moments until someone proves otherwise.

168 SteveC  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:23:43am

re: #111 funky chicken

I don't trust Fitz at all, frankly. He's the one who went after Libby and Cheney's staff EVEN THOUGH HE ALREADY KNEW THAT ARMITAGE/POWELL WERE THE SOURCE OF THE PLAME LEAK.

The guy is just as suspect as any of the other players, IMHO.

Obviously Blago became too much of a liability to somebody, and he is going down. Don't anybody expect any more really big fish to fall.

Sorry to be so cynical, but....

I think Funky Chicken might be onto something here - this could have been cut off before it got too big to control.

Someone quoted the Admiral in Hunt For Red October: "This is going to get out of control. This is going to get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it."

169 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:00am

re: #151 bosforus

Creeping Eruption is the last person I wanted to get dinged by on that post.

170 Orangutan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:00am

I am sure Barry and Rod were discussing the middle class tax cut, and these rumors about Barry getting mixe dup in the sale of his Senate seat are just that, vicious rumors.....kind of like all those rumors about his clergyman.

/

171 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:02am

re: #31 Jetpilot1101

I really wished that Fitzgerald had let him actually sell the seat and then nailed the whole bunch of them. It would have been so much better to take down a sitting governor and his improperly appointed senate appointee.

Imagine the carnage.

Actually, I'm cynical enough to be glad Fitzgerald didn't. It would have required a magic crowbar to get the appointee out of there, given the Democratic disregard for law. There's been a few too many elected (or, in this case, appointed) officials who refuse to let go of office, on both sides.

Nobody has the sense of shame to slink away since scandal no longer meant losing your office (can you say "billing records"?).

Easier to shut the door before the skunk gets into the house, rather than wait until it's sprayed the walls.

172 LGoPs  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:16am

Even though I made a flip comment earlier, I think we need to hold fire on this. If as Blago says, 'Obama wouldn't give him anything for it' - (paraphrasing here) - that would speak well for Obama. Don't want to waste our ammunition and our credibility until more comes out.....IMHO.

173 freedomplow  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:18am

The most corrupt President elect ever!

174 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:23am

re: #130 MJ

Will President Biden be sworn in?

No freaking way. Obama must be sworn in. If not the country will be devastated. Can you imagine the outrage?

175 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:23am

doin just what comes naturally re: #66 Silhouette

Because he's gotten away with it so often before?

176 bmorte  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:30am

re: #138 MandyManners

Indeed!

177 walahi  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:37am

Drive by post (sorry busy on a case):

UK Madrassas beating students - read the comments, very telling.

178 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:40am

re: #155 Racer X
Uh your link is dated November 8th - wrong week!

179 ear-to-hear  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:40am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

It's like the smoking thing, I imagine. From everything I've seen about him in the past couple years, I think it's exceedingly apparent that the man is a compulsive and habitual liar. It probably just popped out; force of habit you know.

180 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:49am

re: #156 zelnaga

Not as far as I know that Senators get to name their replacements. Obama wanted Valerie Jarrett as he replacement. Blago named his price. Obama (and Emanuel) said no dice on the payment, maybe wanted something less. Blago played hardball on the other end, naming people who Obama can't stand, such as Jackson Jr.

It's really like something out of a crime novel.

181 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:24:50am

re: #145 MandyManners

Sgt. Schultz is moving to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.


good'un

182 David Simon  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:25:15am

re: #163 MandyManners

If you tell the truth, that's all you have to remember!

That's the first thing I tell any young staffer. If you fuck up, admit you made a mistake and move on (and of course, don't repeat it).

183 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:25:29am

re: #133 DeafDog

My theory, is that he wanted to distance himself from the horse-trading that was going on behind the scenes.

Obviously, hot-rod was talking with someone on the Obama team. How else would hot-rod have the idea that he would not get a tangible kick-back?

Obama was saying that he was not doing that negotiation - even though he was aware that the negotiation was happening.

What was the tipping point that caused Rahm to drop the dime on him?

184 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:25:30am

re: #147 nyc redneck

it is just not possible for the O to be spawned in such a cesspool and cavort w/ such vile people and criminal elements and yet, still emerge, smelling like a rose.
it doesn't happen like that.
i bet he is wondering when the msm will have to start doing it's job.
at least to save it's own last shred of credibility.
they will do it eventually.

you have pretty high expectations of the msm (mfm to mandy)
they made sure that more people knew that Sarah Palin has a pregnant teenage daughter than know what party is in control of congress!

185 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:25:31am

re: #172 LGoPs

Even though I made a flip comment earlier, I think we need to hold fire on this. If as Blago says, 'Obama wouldn't give him anything for it' - (paraphrasing here) - that would speak well for Obama. Don't want to waste our ammunition and our credibility until more comes out.....IMHO.

In m opinion, that was just Emmanuel the Enforcer's way of saying ...we are the King makers now ...we give you NOTHING ...but knowing that they will get their guy in the spot ...maybe Rahl dropped a dime on Blago ...

186 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:25:34am

re: #177 walahi

Drive by post (sorry busy on a case):

UK Madrassas beating students - read the comments, very telling.

We had a whole thread on that. I think it's two back. :)

187 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:25:34am
188 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:25:55am

re: #136 Jetpilot1101

Well then I guess America elected a compulsive liar to be president. I'm guessing other nations won't take too kindly to his lies. I thought he was supposed to restore confidence in America. Pretty hard to do that when you are telling whoppers all the time.

Americans seem to do that with alarming regularity.

189 bulwrk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:25:57am

re: #145 MandyManners

Can't I just eat my schnitzel?

190 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:01am

re: #157 CyanSnowHawk
Well Blago may not have gotten what he wanted, but the story is that it was discussed.

191 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:06am

re: #169 bosforus

Sorry - I give credit where credit is due. I'll down ding you if it will make you feel better.

192 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:09am

re: #137 realwest

I meant he's gonna be the CiC in the WoT - kinda hard to ignore.

It's known as the MUTE button.

193 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:18am

re: #172 LGoPs

Even though I made a flip comment earlier, I think we need to hold fire on this.

It strains credulity that Obama did not even discuss the seat with Blago (leaving aside whether he was involved in corruption), and it contradicts what his own spokesman said, and contemprary news accounts. Yet Obama went ahead and issued a patently absurd, blanket denial. He could quite easily have said, "yes, of course we discussed it, but I had no idea that he was soliciting bids for it", and at least sounded plausible.

194 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:30am

re: #166 David Simon

Did you mean to link something else? That's dated November 8th.

I don't believe Barry said "I have not met with the Governor this week to discuss it".

195 joncelli  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:30am

re: #159 father_of_10

Same old cock and bull story.

196 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:31am

re: #158 DeafDog

Can you post a link to back that up or are you talking out your ass?

Wow. Hostile.

For starters, the KHQA report is so thin it hardly requires refutation. It cites no one, was filed before any meeting was supposed to have taken place anyway, and doesn't follow up with confirmation. It's not good.

For further reading, go here.

Lastly, as I said, it's plain to see -- as the wiretap proves -- that Obama has only pissed off Blagojevich. So arguments that Obama is... what? corrupt?... seem a bit silly.

I'm no fan of Obama. But flinging imaginary criticism -- or at least yet-unfounded criticism -- at him can only weaken later, better arguments.

197 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:31am

re: #161 realwest

Spot on.

it's getting so annoying, isn't it?
but something will stick eventually and the whole thing could collapse like a house of cards.
all the ugly facts coming down around him.

198 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:53am

re: #122 David Simon

Plausible. He sounded as if he was trying so hard not to say the wrong thing.

Heard clips played on the radio where he corrected himself a few times, starting to say we, then changing to I, in relation to what was going on to Blago. He is frantically trying to pull a CYA and setting himself apart while being able to drop this all on his staff.

199 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:26:56am

re: #173 freedomplow

The most corrupt former President elect ever!

TIFIFY

200 witness  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:27:05am

OT: Layoffs

Its like the biblical plague from Egypt. The mist of death comes and wanders through the hallways passing over some and taking others.

Pray for our country. Layoffs beget less spending, beget more layoffs in a vicious cycle. Dear Leader better wake up that bogus bailouts and half baked schemes to "reduce energy costs in government buildings" will not save this economy. Only massive tax cuts and deregulation and cuts in government spending will save us. Ronald Reagan knew that and saved us from Jimmy Carter. Maybe Mitt Romney will be the next Regan, but Dear Leader is of the Carter mold.

201 Spider Mensch  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:27:07am

re: #177 walahi

Drive by post (sorry busy on a case):

UK Madrassas beating students - read the comments, very telling.


you need to look at the main page before you post.

202 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:27:18am

re: #151 bosforus

Actually, there's a vas deferens between the two.

We need to snip this in the bud.

203 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:27:28am

re: #195 joncelli

Same old cock and bull story.

You guys are really foreskin the jokes now.

204 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:27:31am

re: #132 MandyManners

Does it apply to his illegal actions committed prior to his taking the oath?

"Office of the Presedent-elect immunity"

205 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:27:52am

re: #183 MandyManners

What was the tipping point that caused Rahm to drop the dime on him?

The game of hardball. Rahm likes to twist arms, and Blago was trying to twist back. My guess is that the promotion of Jesse Jackson Jr. was too big for Rahm to pass up. Two birds, one stone.

206 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:01am

New Comments button slowing down again...

207 baier  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:03am

re: #164 JacksonTn


I would like a picture of Obama on velvet like one of those sad clowns titled "Saddened". With one bright orange tear and a pile of corpses under a bus that says "Change" on the side.

208 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:11am
209 Buck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:16am

re: #48 MandyManners

Why would he lie about something that is this easily contradicted?

He did exactly that MANY times during the campaign. If the press believes him, then it is not a lie.

210 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:21am

You know, with all the focus on Obama's vacant Senate seat, the sweet dealio that Joe Biden cut with soon retiring Governor Ruth Minner looks kind of shady as well. Placeholder Senator Ted Kaufman: D-Biden

With an election coming up in 2010, Kaufman, who has been Biden's Chief of Staff (read: bagman) has already declared he is not going to run. Nope, he's just there to keep the seat warm so Biden can keep his vote. The article makes a very astute observation.

But the convenient twist to Biden-aide Kaufman's self-imposed exit strategy is that it will create an open US Senate seat in a very Democratic state in very short order. And who, who could seek that seat? Why, perhaps Delaware's attorney general, an impressive young Democratic official who is currently deployed to Iraq as a captain in the Delaware National Guard.

His name? Beau Biden.

211 harrylook  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:24am

re: #196 Cognito

So what the One knew and when he knew it isn't important? Let's suppose he was offered a corrupt bargain, and he didn't report the crime. Isn't that relevant?

212 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:26am

re: #195 joncelli

Same old cock and bull story.

These puns need to be nipped in the bud.

213 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:50am

re: #156 zelnaga

As I understand it, Obama wanted a member of his campaign staff to be named his successor but Blagojevich didn't want to play ball - Blagojevich wanted something in return for appointing someone Obama wanted. Obama refused to cooperate and that was pretty much that.

My question is... do Senators normally get to pick their successors? It seems unlikely that a disgraced Senator would be allowed to do so, but maybe, for a Senator like Obama or Clinton, their successors opinion is given extra weight as a common courtesy?

Here's my source for the first paragraph:

[Link: thehill.com...]

I dont see why a senator who is leaving his/her post should not be able to give the governor a name to be considered but I think it is stupid that the senator can appoint their successor - re: Hillary/Caroline.

214 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:53am

Well, sure, but it will all fall away from him with a stammering dismissal of reality...

215 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:55am

re: #135 Charles

That's exactly the opposite of reality.


Another compulsive liar?

216 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:28:56am

re: #203 Ford_Prefect

You guys are really foreskin the jokes now.

So, you're still hanging around?

217 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:29:12am

re: #138 MandyManners

Pride. In this case, it's throbbing hubris.

can we get that in a memo?

218 maddogg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:29:25am

I suppose there will be a lot of shocked and disappointed moonbats when they finally have to face up to the fact that Obama is just another corrupt politician produced by a machine that has produced nothing but corrupt officials so long that they are held up as the "bad example" during political discussions.

219 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:29:50am

re: #182 David Simon

That's the first thing I tell any young staffer. If you fuck up, admit you made a mistake and move on (and of course, don't repeat it).

I don't give CBBHO that benefit.

220 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:00am

re: #193 Occasional Reader
Ding, Ding, Ding - we have a winnah here folks!

221 johnnyreb  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:16am

Liar Liar Pants on Fire!

222 venezuela lover  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:19am

Chicago truth is different from commonplace truth. In Chicago (or Springfield), you are telling the truth until you not only get caught but you must also admit it. Note that BHO lies constantly but as long as he doesn't admit it was a lie, he told the truth. simple?

223 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:20am

re: #167 harrylook

Am I the only one annoyed by the sudden presumption of innocence some lizards are giving 0bama? What's the guy done to earn our trust or respect? Nothing, as far as I'm concerned. I assume he's lying at all moments until someone proves otherwise.

Don't be annoyed. I can understand why folks want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

For example, I'm trying to hedge my language on this scandle. It's happening so damn early - the guy's not even in office yet - and I want him to be a succesful president (even though I doubt his ability/credentials).

All that said, telling a bald face lie to the American people yesterday was just plane dumb. He's losing my sympathy fast.

224 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:26am

re: #189 bulwrk

Can't I just eat my schnitzel?

ROFLMAO!

225 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:28am

re: #191 Creeping Eruption

Sorry - I give credit where credit is due. I'll down ding you if it will make you feel better.

Absolutely not! It was just too much imagery. :)

226 Charles  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:31am

re: #196 Cognito

Wow. Hostile.

For starters, the KHQA report is so thin it hardly requires refutation. It cites no one, was filed before any meeting was supposed to have taken place anyway, and doesn't follow up with confirmation. It's not good.

For further reading, go here.

Lastly, as I said, it's plain to see -- as the wiretap proves -- that Obama has only pissed off Blagojevich. So arguments that Obama is... what? corrupt?... seem a bit silly.

I'm no fan of Obama. But flinging imaginary criticism -- or at least yet-unfounded criticism -- at him can only weaken later, better arguments.

No, there are two reports at KHQA - one that the meeting was going to take place, and then a follow-up stating that the meeting did take place.

And the issue is not whether Blagojevich got what he wanted from Obama. The issue is that Obama flatly denied ever discussing it with him.

227 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:33am

re: #190 realwest

Well Blago may not have gotten what he wanted, but the story is that it was discussed.

Certainly. So it comes down to "What did Obama know and when did he know it?" If I can paraphrase Fred T.

From Charles update, I'd say the 'when' is sometime around Nov. 5th, the date on the article.

228 bmorte  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:34am

re: #196 Cognito

Wow. Hostile.

For starters, the KHQA report is so thin it hardly requires refutation. It cites no one, was filed before any meeting was supposed to have taken place anyway, and doesn't follow up with confirmation. It's not good.

For further reading, go here.

Lastly, as I said, it's plain to see -- as the wiretap proves -- that Obama has only pissed off Blagojevich. So arguments that Obama is... what? corrupt?... seem a bit silly.

I'm no fan of Obama. But flinging imaginary criticism -- or at least yet-unfounded criticism -- at him can only weaken later, better arguments.

The only way that I can see that Obama is clean is if he denied the Gov. any payment for his choice and then contacted the DA to inform him of the pay to play scheme. But then he went on National TV and said that he had NO contact with the Gov. Doesn't fly with me.

229 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:30:42am

re: #196 Cognito

For starters, the KHQA report is so thin it hardly requires refutation.

Okay. How about Obama's own spokesman? Is he "thin" as a source?

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:03am
231 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:05am

re: #211 harrylook

So what the One knew and when he knew it isn't important? Let's suppose he was offered a corrupt bargain, and he didn't report the crime. Isn't that relevant?

What are you talking about? What did Obama know?

People seem to be supposing an awful lot, because it's convenient and fun. And I mean an awful lot.

The trouble is, that comes back to bite you on the rear. Note the birth certificate blow-back.

232 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:16am

where is Opra in all this, ya know she must be involved.

233 LGoPs  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:38am

re: #193 Occasional Reader

It strains credulity that Obama did not even discuss the seat with Blago (leaving aside whether he was involved in corruption), and it contradicts what his own spokesman said, and contemprary news accounts. Yet Obama went ahead and issued a patently absurd, blanket denial. He could quite easily have said, "yes, of course we discussed it, but I had no idea that he was soliciting bids for it", and at least sounded plausible.

I agree that no doubt they must have talked. Why the hell wouldn't you talk with the governor of your state. As to why he lied about it....who knows. I've known liars who will lie out of sheer habit. It's their default mode. The bigger deal, ethically is if there was any attempt at manipulating who gets the seat.

234 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:38am

Look, just because Obama and Blagojavich were meeting to discuss who would replace Obama doesn't mean that Obama's in on the criminality. It does make Obama look stupid for claiming that the two men didn't talk, or didn't talk about the seat when it has been reported by multiple outlets and multiple sources indicate that they spoke.

It's not the crime, it's the coverup, and in his attempt to distance himself from Blagojavich, Obama's going to run afoul of the law. It will be interesting to see all the subpoenas flying at everyone involved - including Obama to get to the heart of who was involved and what was being discussed. Obama better get his story straight, or he too will find out what it means to enter a perjury trap or obstruct justice. From what I can tell, Obama really wanted nothing to do with Blago's heavy handed tactics and demands for quid pro quo, but that too indicates that the two men talked or had their underlings talking - all of which goes against what Obama has been saying.

This mess is about to get a whole lot messier, and it also will be entertaining watching all those folks who thought that Scooter Libby should fry now facing a situaiton where The One and his flacks, including Axelrod, Emanuel, and a whole host of Chicago cronies is about to engage the same guy who nailed Libby for the perjury trap.

235 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:41am

They discussed equitable division of the boodle to be obtained from the sale of the U.S. Senate seat. A preview of the Obama Administration's policy for selecting its members? Why don't they publish a price list? That would clarify matters enormously.

236 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:44am

re: #196 Cognito

Wow. Hostile.

Don't act so surprised.

237 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:49am

re: #204 redc1c4

"Office of the Presedent-elect immunity"

He'll have to pull that out of his ass.

238 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:31:54am

It's got to be easy in reality to know if he met with Blago... I mean, I am certain tha Obama's whereabouts and meetings right after the election were ballyhooed all over the media...

239 CofactorMatrix  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:32:10am

Don't worry, the midstream media will cover up. What The Zero says is the truth, no matter what the facts.

240 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:32:12am

24 hours later, I don't see any of this sticking to That One.
It is a mere speed bump on the Socialism Expressway.

241 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:32:15am

Quick to distance

Obama's transition team has been quick to put distance between the president-elect and the governor. They have admitted that Obama endorsed his fellow Democrat for the governorship in the past, but have stressed the two did not have a close relationship.

Some Obama aides have backtracked on previous comments made about their relationship.

On Nov. 23, Obama's senior adviser David Axelrod told Fox News Chicago that Obama had discussed the issue of the Senate seat with Blagojevich.

He said Obama had not indicated he had a preference for a replacement.

"I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them," Axelrod said then.

But on Tuesday, Axelrod said he was "mistaken when I told an interviewer last month that the president-elect has spoken directly to Gov. Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy. They did not then or at any time discuss the subject."

Earlier this year, Obama's incoming chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, told the New Yorker that Emanuel, Obama and Blagojevich's campaign co-chair, David Wilhelm, were among the top strategists of Blagojevich's 2002 gubernatorial victory.

On Tuesday, Wilhelm told ABCNews.com it was an advisory council that included Rahm and Obama but was not limited to them. He disputed the notion that Obama was "an architect or one of the principal strategists."

Emanuel himself later backed off his comments to the New Yorker, saying "like always [Wilhelm's] right and I'm wrong," ABCNews.com reported.

242 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:32:32am

re: #205 Honorary Yooper

The game of hardball. Rahm likes to twist arms, and Blago was trying to twist back. My guess is that the promotion of Jesse Jackson Jr. was too big for Rahm to pass up. Two birds, one stone.

Well, after his dad talked about castrating CBBHO, I reckon all love flew out the window.

243 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:32:37am

re: #184 Eowyn2

you have pretty high expectations of the msm (mfm to mandy)
they made sure that more people knew that Sarah Palin has a pregnant teenage daughter than know what party is in control of congress!

i don't have high expectations of the msm.
i have doubts abt the ability of the msm to manage and manipulate the already huge and growing mound of garbage that has already come out abt. the O and he isn't even sworn in yet.
i'm thinking as he continues to be embroiled in controversy the msm will reach a point where they will have to throw him under the bus, to save their own skin.

244 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:32:47am

re: #177 walahi

Drive by post (sorry busy on a case):

UK Madrassas beating students - read the comments, very telling.

Im 21, from bradford and i went to mosque's from the age of 9 to15 and I hated it. We used to get smashed about. The teachers used to have sticks, slippers, shoes, fists, kicks, slaps, ear twisting, etc And at the end of all of it - I can read arabic but dont understand a word - nice!

waqqas, bradford, england

Fine, so know why we have these "disaffected yoots", its just a shame they take their frustrations out on innocent citizens and their property and not the ones who caused the problem in the first place.

245 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:32:50am

re: #226 Charles

No, there are two reports at KHQA - one that the meeting was going to take place, and then a follow-up stating that the meeting did take place.

And the issue is not whether Blagojevich got what he wanted from Obama. The issue is that Obama flatly denied ever discussing it with him.

Precisely.

Naow Obama can pare the meaning of the the word meeting. He has Clinton's cabinet, might as well go Clintonion all the way.

246 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:03am

re: #229 Occasional Reader

Okay. How about Obama's own spokesman? Is he "thin" as a source?

See the update.

I'm not saying Obama isn't lying. I'm just sitting tight for the moment. There's no big rush, here. I don't feel a need to call for his head before finishing my sandwich.

247 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:04am

re: #209 Buck

He did exactly that MANY times during the campaign. If the press believes him, then it is not a lie.

I refuse to let the MFM define the terms.

248 Buck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:10am
“I had no contact with the governor or his office and so I was not aware of what was happening, ” Obama told reporters today in Chicago. “It’s a sad day for Illinois. Beyond that, I don’t think it’s appropriate to comment.”

Now we wait to see it that was true. According to others, it is not.

I have to say that it seems hard to understand how Obama could have NO CONTACT with the Governor of IL at all....

249 vero  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:19am

How do you spell Nixon in Arabic?

O
B
A
M
A

250 MJ  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:23am

Will Bush pardon Obama before he leaves office?

251 derecho  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:25am

IMHO - Rahmbo had Fitzgerald go public with the investigation because so many dems were falling all over themselves bidding for the vacated spot.

252 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:25am

re: #232 apachegunner

Candidate #6

253 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:27am
254 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:29am

I am really, really tired of people being appointed or elected to these seats based on their last name. Why don't we just give them hereditary titles and be done with it? We could have the House of Kennedy (gotta go up to Earl for that one) with a permanent right to sit in the Senate, the House of Cuomo (only a Baronetcy there, but the keys to the NY State treasury), the House of Clinton (Duchess, I think), and I must admit the House of Bush (Earls, again).

Are there really no competent people with obscure parents out there?

On the bright side, we could have a kick of a Romeo and Juliet story in the making, complete with tights, corsets, and fencing.

255 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:32am

re: #211 harrylook

So what the One knew and when he knew it isn't important? Let's suppose he was offered a corrupt bargain, and he didn't report the crime. Isn't that relevant?

DINGDINGDING

256 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:35am

Sky King!

What else did I miss? I can't afford an entire Senate seat for even two years, can I time-share it for a day?

257 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:39am

re: #231 Cognito

The trouble is, that comes back to bite you on the rear. Note the birth certificate blow-back.

It bites both ways you know.

258 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:45am

re: #183 MandyManners

What was the tipping point that caused Rahm to drop the dime on him?

I can't figure that out. So, by default, if Rahm told fitz, that is an argument in support of Obama's innocence.

That said, I've only heard rumors that Emanual "dropped the dime" and I don't believe them. Hot-rod knows where bodies are buried and having him indicted is too risky from Rahm's and Obama's perspective.

259 harrylook  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:33:45am

re: #231 Cognito

Apparently Blogo called the "Office of the President Elect" and proposed something illegal: selling the Senate seat. What did 0bama know about that and when? Maybe 0bama has 2 choices: admit he was aware of the illegal proposition and did nothing, or deny he knew about it when he obviously did.

260 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:34:29am

re: #217 redc1c4

can we get that in a memo?

Wasn't there a video-taped interview with him talkinga about this that has disappeared?

261 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:34:37am

Well the Bidding war is really heating up...Millions for the US Senate seat and now there are rumors that the NY Yankees are going to buy it.
/with a option year tacked on of course.

262 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:34:45am

re: #231 Cognito
Cog - see O.R.'s #193 - THAT'S THE STORY.

263 saberry0530  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:34:50am

re: #144 Occasional Reader

Look, give Barry a break, it's pretty easy to forget that you had a conversation with someone about something, on the day that it's announced in national/global headlines that that someone was arrested for the something you discussed with him.

Isn't it?


no

264 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:35:01am
The issue is that Obama flatly denied ever discussing it with him.

Which ain't exactly the way honest people behave.

And by the way, Cognito et al: I do not relish the idea of the President-Elect as a compulsive liar. And even less, if he winds up actually getting implicated in this thing - it would be awful and traumatic for the country.

265 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:35:06am

re: #158 DeafDog

Can you post a link to back that up or are you talking out your ass?

Well, about 4-5 people have asked for proof and no response yet. So...

266 Buck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:35:11am

re: #156 zelnaga

As I understand it, Obama wanted a member of his campaign staff to be named his successor but Blagojevich didn't want to play ball - Blagojevich wanted something in return for appointing someone Obama wanted. Obama refused to cooperate and that was pretty much that.

My question is... do Senators normally get to pick their successors? It seems unlikely that a disgraced Senator would be allowed to do so, but maybe, for a Senator like Obama or Clinton, their successors opinion is given extra weight as a common courtesy?

Here's my source for the first paragraph:

[Link: thehill.com...]

Thats fine, but it does not line up with:


“I had no contact with the governor or his office and so I was not aware of what was happening, ” Obama told reporters today in Chicago.
267 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:35:23am

re: #231 Cognito

What are you talking about? What did Obama know?

People seem to be supposing an awful lot, because it's convenient and fun. And I mean an awful lot.

The trouble is, that comes back to bite you on the rear. Note the birth certificate blow-back.

How dare you bring up the heinous nirth cirtificat!

268 realwest  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:35:39am

Well it's been grand y'all but I gotta go eat lunch and nap!
Hope you all have a good day, and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

269 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:35:47am

re: #265 Hard Right

Well, about 4-5 people have asked for proof and no response yet. So...

Whoops. There it is.

270 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:36:03am

re: #216 father_of_10

So, you're still hanging around?

well, the ball is in his court!

271 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:36:13am

re: #237 MandyManners

He'll have to pull that out of his ass.

Shouldn't be that difficult for him, that is where the "Office of the President Elect" came from.

272 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:36:14am
273 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:36:33am

re: #257 Racer X

It bites both ways you know.

I'm not sure what the 'other way' is. Patience to build a solid, damning case has no downside that I know.

People are calling Obama corrupt when the FBI's wiretaps show -- thunderously -- that Obama didn't play Blagojevich's game.

Everything can change, of course. I'm just willing to wait a minute.

274 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:36:38am

re: #229 Occasional Reader

Okay. How about Obama's own spokesman? Is he "thin" as a source?

Why is that Fox video no longer available?

275 freedomplow  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:36:44am

Wonder if Obamas almost daily appearances are going to dry up hoping this will blow over.

276 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:37:10am

re: #270 redc1c4

well, the ball is in his court!

I hope he doesn't put all his eggs in one basket.

277 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:37:17am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

I do not relish the idea of the President-Elect as a compulsive liar.

Mustard a little resolve, and the idea will ketchup with you.

278 bmorte  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:37:22am

Wait! Stop it now! If this continues and something bad happens to Obama, we may find that millions of voters will be disenfranchised!

279 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:37:30am

re: #231 Cognito

What are you talking about? What did Obama know?

People seem to be supposing an awful lot, because it's convenient and fun. And I mean an awful lot.

The trouble is, that comes back to bite you on the rear. Note the birth certificate blow-back.

NOTE THAT CHARLES HAD NO PART OF THAT STORY AFTER A CERTAIN POINT.

You're pissing me off now.

280 bosforus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:37:41am

re: #277 itellu3times

Mustard a little resolve, and the idea will ketchup with you.

Lettuce just stop with the puns already!

281 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:38:00am

re: #246 Cognito

See the update.

The one that has an anonymous Obama aide saying "uh... Axelrod, like, misspoke, or something. Yeah, that's the ticket.*" That update?

*I'm paraphrasing

282 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:38:01am

re: #196 Cognito

He passed on the pay to play offer, so no you couldn't call him corrupt in this case. He did lie about meeting to discuss the appointment, so yes he is a liar. I might add he is a pretty stupid liar, he should have admitted talking to Blago about it and simply denied knowledge of any pay to play offer. Stupid liar is more appropriate.

283 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:38:04am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

Which ain't exactly the way honest people behave.

And by the way, Cognito et al: I do not relish the idea of the President-Elect as a compulsive liar. And even less, if he winds up actually getting implicated in this thing - it would be awful and traumatic for the country.


My impression is that if this meeting took place, Obama offered Blago nothing but his appreciation for the naming of candidate #1 to the seat. This is what set off the raging motherf*cking rant.

284 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:38:13am

re: #278 bmorte

Wait! Stop it now! If this continues and something bad happens to Obama, we may find that millions of voters will be disenfranchised!


They were stupid enough to vote for him in the first place, bad luck. Choose more wisely next time.

285 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:38:22am

re: #238 tfc3rid

It's got to be easy in reality to know if he met with Blago... I mean, I am certain tha Obama's whereabouts and meetings right after the election were ballyhooed all over the media...

His appointment book? What about the governor's appointment book? That's public information.

286 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:38:35am

re: #229 Occasional Reader

Okay. How about Obama's own spokesman? Is he "thin" as a source?

What Axelrod said is "no longer operative".

287 Buck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:01am

re: #265 Hard Right

Well, about 4-5 people have asked for proof and no response yet. So...

Axelrod says in a statement:

I was mistaken when I told an interviewer last month that the President-elect has spoken directly to Governor Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy. They did not then or at any time discuss the subject.

So I guess you can figure out where we got the idea.

288 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:01am

re: #280 bosforus

Lettuce just stop with the puns already!

I too do not relish another pun thread. Lets stay on topic.

289 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:04am

re: #285 MandyManners

His appointment book? What about the governor's appointment book? That's public information.


Gone...............under a bus.

290 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:04am

re: #279 MandyManners

NOTE THAT CHARLES HAD NO PART OF THAT STORY AFTER A CERTAIN POINT.

You're pissing me off now.

Cognito pisses us all off!

291 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:07am

re: #237 MandyManners

He'll have to pull that out of his ass.

well, yeah....... that was pretty much my point. %-)

memo to self: use the "/" thingy more often in the day time. the sunlight evidently slows things down.

292 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:20am

re: #279 MandyManners

NOTE THAT CHARLES HAD NO PART OF THAT STORY AFTER A CERTAIN POINT.

You're pissing me off now.

Um... yes, I do note that. What has that got to do with my post?

293 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:30am

re: #258 DeafDog

I can't figure that out. So, by default, if Rahm told fitz, that is an argument in support of Obama's innocence.

That said, I've only heard rumors that Emanual "dropped the dime" and I don't believe them. Hot-rod knows where bodies are buried and having him indicted is too risky from Rahm's and Obama's perspective.

I tend to go with what 3Wood said this morning.

294 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:33am
295 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:34am

re: #276 father_of_10

I hope he doesn't put all his eggs in one basket.

Let's not get testes.

296 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:42am

re: #277 itellu3times

Mustard a little resolve, and the idea will ketchup with you.

That pun was so bad, I'm deploying the USS Pommes Frites and the Hamburg to deal with you. (See previous thread)

297 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:47am

Gee, how could so many media outlets and 0bama advisors have gotten their facts so wrong?
;)
One of Blago's aids just resigned, but will the gov?
Jesse to speak (himself or through a lawyer) soon on TV news.

298 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:48am

re: #237 MandyManners

He'll have to pull that out of his ass.

The Orifice of the President Elect?

299 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:50am
300 Ron Shaw  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:54am

The daunting task that faces all Americans is not in finding his lies, rather it is endeavoring diligently to discover his truths or any truth where Mr. Obama is concerned.
His lies abound. Truth is well hidden.

301 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:57am

On decline & corruption, from an interview with Theodore Dalrymple:

BC: In your essay, “The Roads to Serfdom,” you refer to a famous quote by George Bernard Shaw, who said, “We are all socialists now.” Are we all on the brink of becoming socialists once again? Why do you think, given the oppressive and pernicious nature of this method of governance, it remains politically viable?

Dr. Dalrymple: I think it more likely that there will be an increase in corporatism than in socialism. America will not be socialist, but it might be corporatist (there is always a tendency to this deformation in modern societies). You will find an increase in public spending with an increase in contracts given to businessmen with political contacts or who are politically pliable. Mr. Obama strikes me as a Blair figure rather than, say, a Leninist. This will lead to a swamp of corruption very difficult to eradicate because it will be legalized corruption, which is very hard to eliminate once started. An important thing to look for will be the corruption of statistics; for once they are corrupted, no one can know what is going on in the larger picture, and this gives carte blanche for the looting of the public purse by private interests linked to politicians, all in the name of procuring benefits for the public.

302 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:39:58am

re: #288 Creeping Eruption

I too do not relish another pun thread. Lets stay on topic.

You say potato...

303 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:40:20am

re: #271 CapeCoddah

Shouldn't be that difficult for him, that is where the "Office of the President Elect" came from.

His ego is in his lower intestine?

304 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:40:27am

re: #196 Cognito

I did not mean to be hostile (sorry), but I did mean to get a seious response.

You said it is looking 'increasingly like' there was no contact between Obama and Hot-rod.

All evidence is looking the opposite - even the link you posted.

305 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:40:28am

Hmmm. Embroiled in scandal before Inauguration Day. This guy is going to hit the ground like an anvil.

Bad news: a crippled president means that Congress is supreme.

306 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:40:35am

re: #261 HoosierHoops

Well the Bidding war is really heating up...Millions for the US Senate seat and now there are rumors that the NY Yankees are going to buy it.
/with a option year tacked on of course.

Why should they bother to go to IL when we have one up for grabs here at home... God help us if Kennedy is offered the seat...

307 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:40:47am

re: #234 lawhawk


There you go, perfect. upding!

308 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:40:50am

re: #296 Occasional Reader

That pun was so bad, I'm deploying the USS Pommes Frites and the Hamburg to deal with you. (See previous thread)

That would be the USS Freedom flies for you.

309 venezuela lover  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:40:55am

re: #240 rawmuse

24 hours later, I don't see any of this sticking to That One.
It is a mere speed bump on the Socialism Expressway.

A parable:
"A bear and a rabbit were in the woods pooping. The bear looked over at the rabbit and asked if he had trouble with poop sticking to his fur. The rabbit thought and then said, "No, it is not a problem." So the bear grabbed the rabbit and wiped his butt with it."
The moral of the story- If you think it won't stick, then you may have more coming your way. Obama should tell the truth, come clean, and stop the issue.

310 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:02am

re: #303 MandyManners

His ego is in his lower intestine?

Sounds about right to me!

311 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:04am

re: #296 Occasional Reader

That pun was so bad, I'm deploying the USS Pommes Frites and the Hamburg to deal with you. (See previous thread)

Don't spare the pickles.

312 Charles  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:17am

re: #273 Cognito

I'm not sure what the 'other way' is. Patience to build a solid, damning case has no downside that I know.

People are calling Obama corrupt when the FBI's wiretaps show -- thunderously -- that Obama didn't play Blagojevich's game.

Everything can change, of course. I'm just willing to wait a minute.

Why are you continuing to focus on things that are not being alleged?

Again. The issue is that Obama flatly denied ever meeting with Blagojevich. It's irrelevant whether he "played Blagojevich's game."

313 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:18am

re: #299 ploome hineni

Bob Brechel spinning his lies on FOX

I refer to him as Bob Barful. He utters nothing more than verbal diarrhea.

314 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:30am

re: #274 MandyManners

Why is that Fox video no longer available?

Hannity played it on H&C last night... FNC has it...

315 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:41am
316 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:48am

re: #281 Occasional Reader

The one that has an anonymous Obama aide saying "uh... Axelrod, like, misspoke, or something. Yeah, that's the ticket.*" That update?

*I'm paraphrasing

There are 2 updates, actually.

(UPDATE: An Obama Transition Team aide says that Axelrod misspoke on Fox News Chicago.)

(UPDATE #2: Axelrod this evening issued a statement saying. "I was mistaken when I told an interviewer last month that the President-elect has spoken directly to Governor Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy. They did not then or at any time discuss the subject.")

Yeah. I'm really believing this. Especially since they said these things, um, yesterday.

317 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:51am

re: #273 Cognito

I'm not sure what the 'other way' is. Patience to build a solid, damning case has no downside that I know.

People are calling Obama corrupt when the FBI's wiretaps show -- thunderously -- that Obama didn't play Blagojevich's game.

Everything can change, of course. I'm just willing to wait a minute.

Fair enough.

So far it looks really fishy, and there is good reason to suspect shenanigans from Obama and his staff. With that being said - I really doubt the FBI will release damning evidence from the wiretaps - even if there is dirt. It won't happen.

318 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:41:51am

re: #302 Peacekeeper

You say potato...

I say stuffing

319 Muadib  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:42:17am

0bama lies. Liberty dies.

320 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:42:17am

re: #289 A Kiwi Infidel

Gone...............under a bus.

That would be a HUGE mistake. Those belong to the public.

321 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:42:36am

re: #308 lawhawk

That would be the USS Freedom flies for you.

I attended her commissioning. Beautiful ship. Too cold to wait in line for a tour but I went into tents they had set up with various contractors and the packages they built for the Freedom.

322 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:42:40am

re: #290 Jetpilot1101

Cognito pisses us all off!

And, ON.

323 LGoPs  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:42:40am

re: #288 Creeping Eruption

I too do not relish another pun thread. Lets stay on topic.

Finally, a sensible response. My condiments to you.

324 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:42:53am

re: #295 Ford_Prefect

Let's not get testes.


Ford, I know you havent been on the planet long, so careful with your grammer.

If you are not sure sure, resort to caution.

Mary."I have a red Volvo"
Dick"Please, I hardly know you"
{3rd Rock)

325 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:43:04am

re: #231 Cognito

People seem to be supposing an awful lot, because it's convenient and fun. And I mean an awful lot.

Okay. You're supposedly in journalism, right?

Now. Obama has vacated his seat. The Senate elections are closely watched, as there's the question of the 60% magic number in the air. Blago has the power to name Obama's replacement in the Senate.

Do you find it credible that neither Obama, nor anyone deputized to speak for him, ever even discussed this with Blago?

Do you really find that plausible?

Please note that I'm not accusing Obama of doing anything illegal. I'm asking whether it's plausible that they never even discussed the seat.

Plus put your Journalism Wonder Twin Powers to good use, and tell me what you think.

326 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:43:07am

re: #301 Kenneth

I've heard Darymple speak. He hates Blair for corrupting British government beyond recognition.

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:43:09am

I'm sure given time to word-smith a clarification, all will be just honky dory.

328 notutopia  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:43:15am

re: #88 Cognito

Cog, Are you trying to read the newspaper backwards in front of the mirror again?

329 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:43:22am

re: #318 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I say stuffing

Turkey!

330 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:43:31am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

Which ain't exactly the way honest people behave.

And by the way, Cognito et al: I do not relish the idea of the President-Elect as a compulsive liar. And even less, if he winds up actually getting implicated in this thing - it would be awful and traumatic for the country fun as hell to watch.

the spontaneous moonbat head explosions would be entertaining too.

331 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:43:42am

re: #246 Cognito

See the update.

I'm not saying Obama isn't lying. I'm just sitting tight for the moment. There's no big rush, here. I don't feel a need to call for his head before finishing my sandwich.

Obama's lips are moving so he is either scamming, obfuscating, or lying. Remember how he said he never heard Rev. Wright's racist, sexist, anti-American rants. Remember how he claimed to be unaware of Ayers past, then claimed that he thought he was rehabilitated?

Dr Stout in the Sociopath Next Door says to pay attention to the Rule of 3:

When considering a new relationship of any kind, practice the Rule of Threes regarding the claims and promises a person makes, and the responsibilities he or she has.

Make the Rule of Threes your personal policy. One lie, one broken promise, or a single neglected responsibility may be a misunderstanding instead. Two may involve a serious mistake. But three lies says you're dealing with a liar, and deceit is the linchpin of conscienceless behavior. Cut your losses and get out as soon as you can. Leaving, though it may be hard, will be easier now than later, and less costly.

Do not give your money, your work, your secrets, or your affection to a three-timer. Your valuable gifts will be wasted.

332 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:43:45am

re: #292 Cognito

Um... yes, I do note that. What has that got to do with my post?

Nobody could be as fucking ignorant as you appear to be without working on it night and day. The post to which I was replying brought up the freakin' birth certificate.

333 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:44:26am

Hey this is kind of humorous. Rod Blagojevich on Facebook. Complete with..

Favorite Quotations:
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

and nice reader comments like..

Intelligence isn't everything, but I sure hope our next governor has a higher ACT score (18) than the national average (21). Blago, you look like the Grinch, but I can deal with that; however, I saw your confusion on the Daily Show interview followed by you claiming you didn't know it was a joke news show (you signed a consent form IDIOT). So, I wasn't surprised that as the FBI agents arrested you, you managed once again to ask "is this a joke?".

and

Rot in hell you scum bag. I'm hope the kids at Children's Memorial come before your Nazi tactics next time.
334 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:44:37am

re: #330 redc1c4

the spontaneous moonbat head explosions would be entertaining too.

unstrike "fun as hell to watch"

PIFW

335 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:44:46am

re: #312 Charles

Why are you continuing to focus on things that are not being alleged?

Again. The issue is that Obama flatly denied ever meeting with Blagojevich. It's irrelevant whether he "played Blagojevich's game."

I'm not focusing on things that aren't being alleged. People are calling Obama "the most corrupt President elect ever," etc etc.

I think that's a mistake.

336 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:44:54am

re: #314 tfc3rid

Hannity played it on H&C last night... FNC has it...

Where? I've looked. I cannot find it.

337 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:00am

Well, I guess this disqualifies him in the "Cleanest Administration Ever" category....He can always shoot for the most corrupt though once he gets in

338 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:07am

re: #276 father_of_10

I hope he doesn't put all his eggs in one basket.

If the shoe fits.

339 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:09am

re: #321 Creeping Eruption

I attended her commissioning. Beautiful ship. Too cold to wait in line for a tour but I went into tents they had set up with various contractors and the packages they built for the Freedom.

It looks like The Love Boat...

340 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:11am

Sean Hannity took Blag's side the other night, pointing out that 0bama was referred to as NOT offering anything as quid pro quo for his Senate seat going to a certain person.
BUT I was thinking of that quote by the Gov.
It implied that he HAD discussed getting something in exchange for the seat.
It simply implied that 0bama's people had held off on committing to any certain thing, now.
But it didn't imply that something might not come Blag's way eventually.
We don't know how far back the wiretaps go.
Maybe 0bama can come out of this clean.
He's done that so many times before that it wouldn't surprise me.

341 LGoPs  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:13am

re: #317 Racer X

Fair enough.

So far it looks really fishy, and there is good reason to suspect shenanigans from Obama and his staff. With that being said - I really doubt the FBI will release damning evidence from the wiretaps - even if there is dirt. It won't happen.

How 'bout if there's tomfoolery (I love that word).......do you think they'll release any of that?
:)

342 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:17am

re: #273 Cognito

People can call Obama corrupt because of the appearance of impropriety and malfeasance surrounding him on all sides in Chicago and Illinois politics - after all, he dealt with all these people on a regular basis and that includes Tony Rezko, although I don't think it applies here - just yet. As I noted in 234, Obama is going to find himself in a world of trouble if he keeps obfuscating and misleading people about whether he spoke with Blagojavich or his people, what they spoke about, and whether the Senate seat came up in discussions. Misleading the investigators is a big no-no, and if Obama and his advisers, like Axelrod and Emanuel can't get their stories straight, they're going to find themselves in a position just like Scooter Libby - prosecuted for obstruction of justice and perjury.

344 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:32am

re: #332 MandyManners

Nobody could be as fucking ignorant as you appear to be without working on it night and day. The post to which I was replying brought up the freakin' birth certificate.

throw in a certain natural disposition to obtuseness, and i think you have it covered.

345 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:47am

re: #335 Cognito

I'm not focusing on things that aren't being alleged. People are calling Obama "the most corrupt President elect ever," etc etc.

I think that's a mistake.

No, it's an opinion.

346 descolada9  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:48am

It's going to have to be major involvement on the part of BHO before the media goes after it. And the Repubs aren't going to do much in Congress because of how badly they burned themselves over the Clinton impeachment. Not to mention that most Repubs on Capital Hill are weak-spined wimps.

I also wouldn't put it past Fitzgerald to have brought this investigation to an early end in order to retain his own US Attorney seat and having something to hold over BHO in the future.

347 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:48am
348 maddogg  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:55am

re: #283 Peacekeeper

My impression is that if this meeting took place, Obama offered Blago nothing but his appreciation for the naming of candidate #1 to the seat. This is what set off the raging motherf*cking rant.

That would imply that Obama knew that shithead was trying to sell the seat, at the very least, and said nothing.

349 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:45:57am

re: #335 Cognito

I'm not focusing on things that aren't being alleged. People are calling Obama "the most corrupt President elect ever," etc etc.

I think that's a mistake.

Well he has surpassed Clinton so that would make him the most corrupt president elect.

It's not a mistake if the facts are pointing to the statement being true.

350 freedomplow  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:46:25am

re: #335 Cognito

I'm not focusing on things that aren't being alleged. People are calling Obama "the most corrupt President elect ever," etc etc.

I think that's a mistake.

That was me... It was a joke.

351 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:46:36am

re: #265 Hard Right

Well, about 4-5 people have asked for proof and no response yet. So...

Yeah, I found that out later.... It's hard keeping up sometimes, but this thread is interesting so I want to read it all.

352 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:46:58am
353 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:47:03am

re: #89 MandyManners

What goes before a fall?

ethics

JAFLW

354 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:47:04am

re: #332 MandyManners

Nobody could be as fucking ignorant as you appear to be without working on it night and day. The post to which I was replying brought up the freakin' birth certificate.

Yes, I know that, Mandy.

What it doesn't reference, in any way, is Charles's approach to that story, which I think has been great.

355 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:47:40am

re: #343 Neo_

Nice find.

356 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:48:17am

re: #335 Cognito

No, he's the most corrupt President-Elect ever! Until Inauguration Day, he's just working up to the rest of his history-making tenure! As President-Elect he lacks executive privilege, B/T/W. Fitz had better interview him before Inauguration Day.

357 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:48:27am

re: #21 redstateredneck

I just wonder if they were gonna pay for the seat with Rainbow money.

You mean some of those millions in Federal money to Rainbow/PUSH that disappeared years ago? Seventy-two million is the number that sticks out in my mind.

358 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:49:03am

How long till that page disappears?

359 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:49:16am
360 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:49:46am

As I said a few weeks ago: if Obama gets elected, all criticism of him will be racist. You fooking racists!

361 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:49:48am

re: #320 MandyManners

That would be a HUGE mistake. Those belong to the public.


How long would it take to "doctor" the record? Its like its never going to get to a point where it will be thoroughly scrutinised, will it? Take the mirth cidbisikite eg, you just flash it around, say, "there, see, nothing there" and its "move on" time. If the tactic works, keep using it.

362 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:49:51am

Geez, let's get a new thread rolling here. This one is getting tedious.

Obama's lips moved, right? He lied. Spin it away all you want, but he lied.

363 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:50:07am

re: #347 ploome hineni

How ya' feeling?

364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:50:22am

May I pose a question?

Who has a high elected office, would run for higher office and not discuss his replacement with the person responsible for naming the replacement.

Is it not supposed to happen? Why would Obama not discuss this? Why didn't he say, "Yeah, I talked to him about it. But left it too his judgment" or "Yeah, I talked to him about it, recommended someone who I will not name publicly."?

365 mattm  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:50:26am

Have they mentioned the Party of Obama yet or do we play guess the party again?

366 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:50:52am

We're getting some hamsterism, Captain.

367 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:51:02am

re: #283 Peacekeeper

My impression is that if this meeting took place, Obama offered Blago nothing but his appreciation for the naming of candidate #1 to the seat. This is what set off the raging motherf*cking rant.

This may well be true. The coverup is always worse than the crim.

Why did Obama deny even having the conversation?

Speculate Obama offered X, but hot-rod wanted more. They could not reach a deal so now obama is covering his tracks saying he was never part of any negotiations of this sort.

368 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:51:14am

From "The Great McGinty" ~
"What you rob, you spend, and what you spend goes back to the people, so where's the robbery? I read that in one of my father's books."

"That book should be in every home."

369 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:51:14am

re: #210 Mich-again

You know, with all the focus on Obama's vacant Senate seat, the sweet dealio that Joe Biden cut with soon retiring Governor Ruth Minner looks kind of shady as well. Placeholder Senator Ted Kaufman: D-Biden

With an election coming up in 2010, Kaufman, who has been Biden's Chief of Staff (read: bagman) has already declared he is not going to run. Nope, he's just there to keep the seat warm so Biden can keep his vote. The article makes a very astute observation.

A little nepotism goes a long way.

370 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:51:27am

re: #317 Racer X

Fair enough.

So far it looks really fishy, and there is good reason to suspect shenanigans from Obama and his staff. With that being said - I really doubt the FBI will release damning evidence from the wiretaps - even if there is dirt. It won't happen.

It just occured to me the utter chaos that could create in this country. Can you imagine the first black president getting stripped of his presidency? You're right, if the FBI had something it would certainly be in this nation's best interest to bury it.

371 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:51:48am

Not so much CHANGE!
Once again the American people have voted in a self-serving, LIAR.

372 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:52:29am

re: #135 Charles

That's exactly the opposite of reality.

Depends on your definition of 'reality'

373 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:52:34am

re: #366 Occasional Reader

We're getting some hamsterism, Captain.

Hamsterism? Kid this the blog that made the Kessel run in less than five parsecs.

374 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:52:42am

re: #362 father_of_10

Geez, let's get a new thread rolling here. This one is getting tedious.

Obama's lips moved, right? He lied. Spin it away all you want, but he lied.

He may have been stoned at the time.

375 Rancher  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:52:44am

David Axelrod said the talked about the Senate seat, but of course he "misspoke"

376 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:53:29am

re: #339 Peacekeeper

It looks like The Love Boat...

This love boat packs quite a punch and is a new concept for the Navy. Just the kind of ship to test out on Somali pirates.

377 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:53:34am

re: #132 MandyManners

Does it apply to his illegal actions committed prior to his taking the oath?

Seems to me that I heard somewhere that while the President is Sitting they can't be prosecuted for "previous" crimes, but maybe that's a Senior Moment Recollection. Fair game, though, when they are out of office...

Can somebody expound on this?

Heaven knows I'm no Lawyer. Nor would I stoop to such a thing.

JAFLW

378 bulwrk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:53:57am

re: #273 Cognito

People are calling Obama corrupt when the FBI's wiretaps show -- thunderously -- that Obama didn't play Blagojevich's game.

It could just mean he rejected Blago's first offer out of hand as too high,it doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't willing to play

379 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:53:59am
380 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:54:15am

re: #277 itellu3times

Mustard a little resolve, and the idea will ketchup with you.

personally, i relish the thought of him being in this pickle.

381 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:54:18am

Now, if Blago's teenage daughter was preggers, the media would be all over the story.

/

382 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:54:22am

Howie Carr has an entertaining take on the arrest of the Illinois governor yesterday.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

383 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:54:42am
384 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:54:59am

Wonder if some poor soul at the local station is going to lose their job because they reported Obama's meeting with Blago.

385 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:55:15am

re: #376 Creeping Eruption

This love boat packs quite a punch and is a new concept for the Navy. Just the kind of ship to test out on Somali pirates.

Okay, but they launched it in Wisconsin.

I feel safer from the Canadian Menace already.

/

386 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:55:25am

re: #376 Creeping Eruption

This love boat packs quite a punch and is a new concept for the Navy. Just the kind of ship to test out on Somali pirates.

Where's the bristling gun turrets? The brass?

387 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:55:35am
388 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:55:37am

re: #377 Just Another Four-letter Word

Seems to me that I heard somewhere that while the President is Sitting they can't be prosecuted for "previous" crimes, but maybe that's a Senior Moment Recollection. Fair game, though, when they are out of office...

Can somebody expound on this?

Heaven knows I'm no Lawyer. Nor would I stoop to such a thing.

JAFLW

That's a theory advanced most recently (c. 1998) by Bubba, which has no statutory basis that anyone can find, afaik. However, as a practical matter, it may well be true.

389 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:56:10am

re: #331 DistantThunder

Never heard of that rule of threes, so true. Thanks.

390 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:56:17am

re: #386 Peacekeeper

Where's the bristling gun turrets? The brass?

"The LCS 1 FREEDOM class consists of a semiplaning monohull designed and built by Lockheed Martin. This seaframe will be outfitted with reconfigurable payloads, called Mission Packages, which can be changed out quickly. Mission packages are supported by special detachments that will deploy manned and unmanned vehicles and sensors in support of mine, undersea and surface warfare missions."

391 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:56:24am

re: #375 Rancher

David Axelrod said the talked about the Senate seat, but of course he "misspoke"

they never talked, they exchanged text msg?

392 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:56:39am

re: #378 bulwrk

It could just mean he rejected Blago's first offer out of hand

"It's called negotiation, Jerry... negotiation!"

-George Costanza

393 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:56:53am

re: #379 ploome hineni

could be better

/Cognito trying to take over where ViewFromHerAss, and the nodrog left off? annoying gnat isn;t he?

Who? Never heard of them, etertaining, were they?

394 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:08am

This is not the press report I knew. . .

Bwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I am LOVING IT like Mikey D's. . .

395 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:12am

re: #336 MandyManners

Where? I've looked. I cannot find it.

Really? Trying to recall the segment but I think it was right at the start of the program...

397 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:20am
398 zelnaga  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:24am

re: #266 Buck

Thats fine, but it does not line up with:


“I had no contact with the governor or his office and so I was not aware of what was happening, ” Obama told reporters today in Chicago.


I actually agree - I was just trying to get my facts straight.

On that subject, though... why would Obama misrepresent the facts? The facts don't seem to be all that damning for Obama so why misrepresent them? I guess for sound byte purposes I can sorta understand it (saying "I didn't know" is certainly shorter than saying "Blagojevich threatened to appoint someone I wouldn't like unless I gave him a presidential appointment. I said no deal"), but then again, sound bytes are, I think, a disservice to the American public. Or, at the very least, I've not heard a compelling argument for them.

399 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:29am

re: #381 Racer X

Now, if Blago's teenage daughter was preggers, the media would be all over the story.

/


No they wouldnt, he a dem, its to be expected.

400 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:32am

re: #385 Occasional Reader

Okay, but they launched it in Wisconsin.

I feel safer from the Canadian Menace already.

/


aye

401 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:47am

re: #343 Neo_

I think a lawyer could break down the headline and the text in such a way as to ''prove'' that the gov never spoke with 0bama about his replacement in the senate.

402 Rancher  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:49am

I wish we could find out who all those credit card donations came from, but we can't. He could have used acceptable security measures that every retailer uses to be sure who was making donations, but he didn't. He could provide what info he has to get rid of the speculation that some of those were illegal, but he won't. My verdict, he's corrupt.

403 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:57:59am

re: #385 Occasional Reader

Okay, but they launched it in Wisconsin.

I feel safer from the Canadian Menace already.

/

/Turn your back for one minute . . . .

404 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:00am
405 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:01am

JJJr's Lawyer says he is "completely guiltless"

interesting choice of words, doncha think?

406 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:01am

re: #391 Eowyn2

they never talked, they exchanged text msg?

UR sllng Snte seat?

BFF!

407 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:05am

Wow, guys. Relax. I'm just deliberate when it comes to passing condemnation. I've found that approach reduces my serving of humble pie.

There are indications that Obama or someone in his office met with, or spoke with, ol' Blagojevich. There are also indications that he didn't.

More important, in my estimation, is why that's important. It's because of the insinuation that Obama is crooked; there's powerful evidence that -- in this case, at least -- he is not.

So, again, I'm willing to slow down my judgment. Twenty minutes, say. Or -- strange though it may sound -- I may even wait overnight.

408 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:10am

re: #340 mean Gene

You are correct... That's how I read it.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:32am

OT...

Burger King has come out with a (I believe) very smart, interesting ad campaign, "WhopperVirgins.com".

Just saw, they're catching a bunch of flak because of world starvation. Ala, "The millions they are spending on this ad campaign could be used to feed the hungry".

You know, I'm not a big burger eater, but I am up to here with offended people.

rant off

410 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:34am
411 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:41am

re: #390 Creeping Eruption

"The LCS 1 FREEDOM class consists of a semiplaning monohull blockquote>

semiplaning monohull? USA! USA!

412 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:45am

re: #160 Eowyn2

It would only be logical that Obambi would have had someone he wanted to take his place in the Senate so it would also be logical that he meet with the person responsible for appointing said senator. Why on earth did he deny it?

Look up the definition of pathological liar. He couldn't help himself.

JAFLW

413 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:48am

re: #396 Racer X

ABC: Candidate who allegedly offered Blago money for Senate seat is Jesse Jackson Jr

Welcome to Illinois, where every political office is up for sale. Name your price, we'll provide the grease.

414 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:58:55am

re: #379 ploome hineni

could be better

/Cognito trying to take over where ViewFromHerAss, and the nodrog left off? annoying gnat isn;t he?

Yep- I call it "pulling a Cog" when anyone acts like that. . .Lincolnf was doing a Cog last night. . .

415 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:59:13am

re: #393 A Kiwi Infidel

Who? Never heard of them, etertaining, were they?

See its karma.

(Until now, I honestly didn't think it was possible to top asshat-france. Leave it to JMV...)

416 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:59:28am
417 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:59:36am

re: #346 descolada9

I also wouldn't put it past Fitzgerald to have brought this investigation to an early end in order to retain his own US Attorney seat and having something to hold over BHO in the future.

It's sad that even when every move by anyone becomes suspect.

418 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 11:59:39am
419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:10pm

re: #407 Cognito

(psst. don't tell anyone. I don't find you to be totally boorish, I kind of like you. shhhh.)

420 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:18pm
421 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:24pm

re: #402 Rancher

I wish we could find out who all those credit card donations came from, but we can't. He could have used acceptable security measures that every retailer uses to be sure who was making donations, but he didn't. He could provide what info he has to get rid of the speculation that some of those were illegal, but he won't. My verdict, he's corrupt.

Could we at least get a clear understanding of what happened with the creepy $300k that Tony Rezko funneled to Obama with that house purchase deal?

422 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #405 redc1c4

JJJr's Lawyer says he is "completely guiltless"

interesting choice of words, doncha think?

Kind of like "Nixon and Watergate" from our governor the day before he was arrested? Yeah, it is interesting.

423 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:30pm
424 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:32pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know, I'm not a big burger eater, but I am up to here with offended people.


I'm offended that you would say that!

425 Charles  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:36pm

I just discovered a bot crawling through our entire site as fast as possible. It loaded 2265 pages in the past 30 minutes, including pages with comments.

That's what was causing the slowdown.

426 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:39pm

re: #419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(psst. don't tell anyone. I don't find you to be totally boorish, I kind of like you. shhhh.)

This is not the FBV I knew. . .

427 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:39pm

re: #415 Fat Jolly Penguin

See its karma.

(Until now, I honestly didn't think it was possible to top asshat-france. Leave it to JMV...)

Oh, shit, sorry, my bad. Yes of course, JMV. I took it litereal.

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:00:43pm
429 jester6  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:01:13pm

re: #342 lawhawk

Misleading the investigators is a big no-no, and if Obama and his advisers, like Axelrod and Emanuel can't get their stories straight, they're going to find themselves in a position just like Scooter Libby - prosecuted for obstruction of justice and perjury.

Great point. I simply cannot believe Obama did not talk to Blago about this. It makes no sense. The president-elect, de facto head of the Democratic party and former Senator should be talking to a governor about filing a seat he vacated.

430 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:01:18pm

re: #425 Charles

I just discovered a bot crawling through our entire site as fast as possible. It loaded 2265 pages in the past 30 minutes, including pages with comments.

That's what was causing the slowdown.

I hope you pulled its legs off

431 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:01:21pm

re: #350 freedomplow


This is a test of the emergency sense of humor system. It is only a test.

If this were a real emergency, rubber chickens would be air-dropped into your town, and men with big floppy shoes and red noses would appear on your television.

432 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:01:28pm

re: #425 Charles

I hope you slayed it with much pain and torture

433 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:01:43pm

re: #357 Ward Cleaver

You mean some of those millions in Federal money to Rainbow/PUSH that disappeared years ago? Seventy-two million is the number that sticks out in my mind.

Imagine. That used to sound like a lot of mulla.

434 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:01:55pm

I see that link to the illinois.gov site as being proof they met... Fine... I wonder if they did meet in the governor's office if then the conversation was recorded...

435 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:01:55pm
436 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:00pm

re: #423 ploome hineni

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

/moron

Wow. . .just AMAZING to watch a Cogknownot. . .know not AND lecture on how believing your lying eyes is stupid. . .

437 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #425 Charles

I just discovered a bot crawling through our entire site as fast as possible. It loaded 2265 pages in the past 30 minutes, including pages with comments.

That's what was causing the slowdown.

Bad buggy. You need some Raid?

438 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #417 midwestgak

Fitz did this at the right time to keep The OneTM from firing him so easily. Obama looks really bad if he gets rid of Fitz now, and Fitz has a freer hand to deal with the rampent corruption in Chicago.

439 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:03pm

I hadn't seen it coming but 0bama's press sec says 0bama is FOR gov. Blag to resign.
Funny how he didn't say it live on TV when he had a perfect chance.
What a chicken.
Under the bus, Blag!
Anyway, they weren't particularly close.

440 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:04pm

re: #430 Creeping Eruption

I hope you pulled its legs off

Then hit it with Stinky's wrench

441 SWPaul  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:09pm
He's sad, surprised and innocent," Blagojevich attorney Sheldon Sorosky told reporters outside Blagojevich's home Tuesday night.

*wipes tear from eye* HAHAHAHA!

442 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:16pm

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it wrong to hope it is true?

no

443 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:41pm

re: #282 turn

He passed on the pay to play offer, so no you couldn't call him corrupt in this case. He did lie about meeting to discuss the appointment, so yes he is a liar. I might add he is a pretty stupid liar, he should have admitted talking to Blago about it and simply denied knowledge of any pay to play offer. Stupid, arrogant liar is more appropriate.

444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:47pm

re: #413 Honorary Yooper

Welcome to Illinois, where every political office is up for sale. Name your price, we'll provide the grease.

Well, at least JJJr. doesn't have a good family name to soil.

445 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:54pm

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it wrong to hope it is true?

Define "wrong."

446 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:02:56pm

re: #425 Charles

I just discovered a bot crawling through our entire site as fast as possible. It loaded 2265 pages in the past 30 minutes, including pages with comments.

That's what was causing the slowdown.


I bet it had a semiplaning monohull.

447 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:03:29pm

Maybe we can get a pool going on when the Guvner will resign and/or when the next 'Bammy scandal will come out.

448 LGoPs  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:03:49pm

re: #380 redc1c4

personally, i relish the thought of him being in this pickle.

And if you like cheese on that sandwich.....did you hear that Kraft Foods is moving to Israel. They're going to rename the company.......they're going to call it Cheeses of Nazareth.
da da boom.....

449 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:03:53pm
450 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:03:55pm

re: #439 mean Gene

I hadn't seen it coming but 0bama's press sec says 0bama is FOR gov. Blag to resign.
Funny how he didn't say it live on TV when he had a perfect chance.
What a chicken.
Under the bus, Blag!
Anyway, they weren't particularly close.

He was too sad...

451 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:03:55pm

re: #446 Peacekeeper

I bet it had a semiplaning monohull.

You are sure into those semiplaning monohull

452 CofactorMatrix  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:04:05pm

re: #335 Cognito

I'm not focusing on things that aren't being alleged. People are calling Obama "the most corrupt President elect ever," etc etc.

I think that's a mistake.

Only because he's not President yet.

453 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:04:06pm

re: #425 Charles

I just discovered a bot crawling through our entire site as fast as possible. It loaded 2265 pages in the past 30 minutes, including pages with comments.

That's what was causing the slowdown.

Am I the only one with an image of some little autobot crawling up the tubes from Star Trek (I will get flamed for this, but I forgot the name of the things, the ones that Scotty used to crawl up in), installing little alien devices along the way?

454 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:04:28pm

re: #446 Peacekeeper

I bet it had a semiplaning monohull.

I tried to post the "boat hull" joke first, but I couldn't ketch you.

455 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:04:29pm

re: #290 Jetpilot1101

Cognito pisses us all off!

But it's kind of edgy.

456 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:04:47pm

Jesse Jackson Jr. was Obama's National campaign co-chair?

457 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:04:50pm

re: #449 ploome hineni

well, watch it

the loud fat grass eater likes him

Who ya gonna believe? Me, or yer own eyes?

458 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:04:52pm

re: #453 EmmmieG

Am I the only one with an image of some little autobot crawling up the tubes from Star Trek (I will get flamed for this, but I forgot the name of the things, the ones that Scotty used to crawl up in), installing little alien devices along the way?

I think of Replicators. (Stargate.)

459 bmorte  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:04:52pm

re: #447 father_of_10

Maybe we can get a pool going on when the Guvner will resign and/or when the next 'Bammy scandal will come out.

I'm in.

460 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:05:07pm

re: #407 Cognito

There are indications that Obama or someone in his office met with, or spoke with, ol' Blagojevich. There are also indications that he didn't.

What are the indications that they didn't talk with Blago's office? Seems to me that the evidence is piling up mighty quick that the two did talk about it - extensively and often.

There are at least three reports, including the Illinois Government news provider. In opposition is simply the word of Obama and his staffers, who have had to claim Axelrod misspoke about meetings/discussions on point.

461 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:05:12pm

re: #454 Occasional Reader

I tried to post the "boat hull" joke first, but I couldn't ketch you.

Maybe you ought to try a different tack.

462 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:05:13pm

re: #432 Desert Dog

I hope you slayed it with much pain and torture

It is currently being held in Gitmo for questioning.

The ACLU is scrambling to get it an attorney.

463 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:05:22pm

re: #379 ploome hineni

could be better

/Cognito trying to take over where ViewFromHerAss, and the nodrog left off? annoying gnat isn;t he?

Was that an actual nic?

464 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:05:44pm

Can't find the quote from Great McGinty but there is a terrific scene where The Boss (Akim Tamiroff) shakes down some sap by telling him to relax and look at a photograph of a baseball game. B=Boss, S=Sap
B "How many people do you think were out enjoying that baseball game?"
S "I don't know. About this bus contract"
B "Forget the contract. How many people do you think? Go ahead, take a guess."
S "Uh, I don't know 20,000?"
B "No, guess again."
S "Well maybe 30,000?"
B "No my friend 50,000 people were out there enjoying the fresh air and
     sunshine. Now you go home and relax."

465 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:05:47pm

re: #451 Creeping Eruption

You are sure into those semiplaning monohull

God bless our troops and sailors!
Just having fun, or trying to.

466 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:05:49pm

re: #453 EmmmieG

but I forgot the name of the things, the ones that Scotty used to crawl up in

Jeffries Tubes! Sheesh, what do they teach in school these days?!

/

467 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:13pm

re: #453 EmmmieG

Am I the only one with an image of some little autobot crawling up the tubes from Star Trek (I will get flamed for this, but I forgot the name of the things, the ones that Scotty used to crawl up in), installing little alien devices along the way?

Jeffries Tubes

468 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:14pm

re: #370 turn

We're back to Hoover. The Director of the FBI has the means to blackmail the President of the United States. Ugh.

469 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:14pm

I say Friday afternoon for Da Guv and the next scandal for Obama (besides this one) will occur the first weeks of Jan. 2009...

470 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:21pm

re: #449 ploome hineni

well, watch it

the loud fat grass eater likes him

Sigh, I know, but he is entitled to. . .I personally cannot fathom it, despite all of this information Cog, instead of saying, wow, was I wrong. . .CONTINUES to ignore it and what it means AND chastises those unwilling even now, especially now, to drink the left over koolaid. . .

471 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:24pm

re: #465 Peacekeeper

God bless our troops and sailors!
Just having fun, or trying to.

I am enjoying your fun.

472 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:25pm

re: #463 midwestgak

Was that an actual nic?


No, it is JustMyView, I fell for it as well.

473 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:25pm

re: #461 father_of_10

Maybe you ought to try a different tack.

Y'awl can't tell me what to do.

474 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:27pm

re: #443 debutaunt

fixed

475 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:32pm

I think he's annoying on purpose.

476 MJ  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:06:50pm

re: #456 Racer X

Jesse Jackson Jr. was Obama's National campaign co-chair?

Yes.
Think Pres. Obama will pardon him?

477 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:07:17pm

re: #370 turn

Can you imagine the first black president getting stripped of his presidency?

[OR mentally reviews his ammo supply]

Uh, I'd rather not.

478 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:07:20pm
479 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:07:31pm

Jesse Jackson Jr.

He served as a national co-chairman of the Barack Obama presidential campaign.[2] Jackson has been mentioned as a possible appointee by Governor Rod Blagojevich for an interim United States Senator to replace Obama until the November 2010 election.

480 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:07:54pm

re: #473 Occasional Reader

Y'awl can't tell me what to do.

He's trying to offer assistance so you don't keel over with frustration

481 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:07:58pm

re: #254 EmmmieG

I like your thinking. The Bidens and the Murkowskis could have a Knighthood. OTOH, we've had a number of presidents from humble backgrounds. Some were great -- Reagan, Lincoln, Truman -- and others, not so much (Nixon). On balance, however, it's usually best to vote for the candidate who had a paper route instead of a trust fund.

482 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:10pm

re: #469 Desert Dog

I say Friday afternoon for Da Guv and the next scandal for Obama (besides this one) will occur the first weeks of Jan. 2009...

Someone with a blog needs to put up the chart so the betting can begin!

The Guv resigns Friday afternoon of next week. The next scandal will be broken on December 31, when the MSM thinks no one is paying attention.

483 bulwrk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:15pm

re: #461 father_of_10

Schooner is better than latter

484 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:18pm

re: #452 CofactorMatrix

Only because he's not President yet.

perhaps Cog could provide prospective rivals for dear leader for the title. . . nahhhhh

485 starboardhelm  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:27pm

Well yeah -- when has Soetoro ever told the truth. He's a fake and a fraud. But that's a good thing, because he'll be willing to throw all his radical left supporters and foreign donors under the bus, too.

Come to the center, Soetoro. You won't be indicted for center-worthy policies. Come, come, to the center!

486 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:39pm

re: #471 Creeping Eruption

I am enjoying your fun.

You're a nice guy, for a creep.

487 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:41pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT...

Burger King has come out with a (I believe) very smart, interesting ad campaign, "WhopperVirgins.com".

Just saw, they're catching a bunch of flak because of world starvation. Ala, "The millions they are spending on this ad campaign could be used to feed the hungry".

You know, I'm not a big burger eater, but I am up to here with offended people.

rant off


Yeah, they go to some third world country and do a taste test between the Whopper and a Big Mac. Whopper wins hands down.
:-p

488 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:41pm
489 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:45pm

re: #473 Occasional Reader

Y'awl can't tell me what to do.

Reach for it, mister!

490 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:08:51pm

re: #478 ploome hineni

COGNITO REALLY SAID THIS?


and the COg wants us to believe he writes for a living?

There are indications that Adriana Lima is panting for my body (specifically: she's never denied it). There are also indications that she isn't.

491 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:09:01pm

re: #460 lawhawk

What are the indications that they didn't talk with Blago's office? Seems to me that the evidence is piling up mighty quick that the two did talk about it - extensively and often.

There are at least three reports, including the Illinois Government news provider. In opposition is simply the word of Obama and his staffers, who have had to claim Axelrod misspoke about meetings/discussions on point.

There's also word from the one person in all this who has an interest in proving they did meet: Blagojevich himself.

And notice that the KHQA story -- the only news story I know that claims they did meet -- has been taken down.

492 Opinionated  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:09:24pm

After spending eight years insisting that the Bush Administration is responsible for anything bad that occurred anywhere in this Solar System, the media and press will now reverse course and insist that Obama is not responsible even for what he himself has done.

Unless something good happens, then it's all to Obama's credit.

493 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:09:31pm

re: #486 Peacekeeper

You're a nice guy, for a creep.

Don't tell anyone. I have a reputation to protect.

494 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:09:34pm

re: #478 ploome hineni

COGNITO REALLY SAID THIS?


and the COg wants us to believe he writes for a living?

Sure, he is a speechwriter for dear leader. . .and Clinton. . .

495 WholeYolk  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:09:38pm

How likely is it that Obama and his transition team weren't notified by the Justice Department of the wiretapping and or imminent arrest of Blago? If they had been tipped off, I think it would explain a lot about their reaction to the news and reluctance to answer questions about it, why Valerie Jarett had withdrawn her name for consideration, how officials at the Fitzgerald press conference interpreted and answered certain questions about what Obama knew, etc.

496 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:09:53pm

re: #480 Creeping Eruption

He's trying to offer assistance so you don't keel over with frustration

You forgot to finish your sentence with a punction mark; you're getting sloopy.

497 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:10:02pm

re: #425 Charles

What's a bot? and what does it do? Pardon my ignorance.

498 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:10:11pm

Are "Advisor A" and/or "Advisor B" going to be unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators and/or are they going to be required to testify as material witnesses?
When will their identities be disclosed?

499 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:10:13pm

OOOOh new thread.

Same topic, but I like this one a bit better!

500 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:10:24pm

re: #491 Cognito

And notice that the KHQA story -- the only news story I know that claims they did meet -- has been taken down.

Big surprise there. I'm glad I printed it.

501 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:11:11pm

re: #370 turn

Can you imagine the first black president getting stripped of his presidency?

I imagine it would go something like this.

502 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:11:12pm

re: #425 Charles

I just discovered a bot crawling through our entire site as fast as possible. It loaded 2265 pages in the past 30 minutes, including pages with comments.

That's what was causing the slowdown.

doe Stinky have a separate "Bot Stick", or is it one size fits all?

503 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:11:18pm

re: #496 Occasional Reader

You forgot to finish your sentence with a punction mark; you're getting sloopy.

It happens when you type fast. No need to be so stern.

504 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:11:41pm

re: #478 ploome hineni

COGNITO REALLY SAID THIS?

#407 Cognito


There are indications that Obama or someone in his office met with, or spoke with, ol' Blagojevich. There are also indications that he didn't.

and the COg wants us to believe he writes for a living?

Or that bit, "someone from his office". That sweet diversion that it is quickly latched onto by apologists. It was someone from his office who had, sadly, forgotten to brief the POTUS-in-waiting, silly us.

There you go, just a misunderstanding.

505 Racer X  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:04pm

re: #479 Racer X

Jesse Jackson Jr.

He served as a national co-chairman of the Barack Obama presidential campaign.[2] Jackson has been mentioned as a possible appointee by Governor Rod Blagojevich for an interim United States Senator to replace Obama until the November 2010 election.

Jackson has a lengthy relationship with Barack Obama. Barack's Illinois State Senate 13th district that he served from January 8, 1997–November 4, 2004 was within Jackson's Congressional district. Now, the role is reversed with Jackson's 2nd district within Obama's statewide United States Senate jurisdiction. The two have collaborated on issues, stood together against the party slate on certain reform-minded candidates and sought each other’s advice.

Additionally, Jackson's sister Santita was a close friend of Michelle Obama and served as a bridesmaid at the Obama wedding. Despite their shared name, the younger Jackson has shown political and philosophical differences from his father. For example, when in 2008 Jackson Sr. wrote an op-ed in the Chicago Sun-Times attacking presidential candidate Barack Obama for his lack of activist involvement,Jackson Jr. responded sharply in the same paper with a defense of Obama.

506 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:04pm

re: #438 Honorary Yooper

Fitz did this at the right time to keep The OneTM from firing him so easily. Obama looks really bad if he gets rid of Fitz now, and Fitz has a freer hand to deal with the rampent corruption in Chicago.

So are you saying he (probably) kept his job to further clean up the corruption, not just to feather his own nest?

507 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:17pm

He lied? Big deal. He is the next president since Clinton. The one who raped women. Any one remember Juanita Broderick? How about Carter? Hobb knobing with shady foreign leaders? Then we even have the congressional big shot, Ted Kennedy. Who killed the girl in Massachusetts while drunk driving. Every one ends up running off the rode and killing some one, then does not tell anyone till the next day when the cops find out.
He is a leading Democrat. The law does not apply to them. Limousine liberals. You gotta love them.

508 Peacekeeper  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:20pm

re: #496 Occasional Reader

You forgot to finish your sentence with a punction mark; you're getting sloopy.

semiplaning monopuns?

509 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:43pm

re: #490 Occasional Reader

There are indications that Adriana Lima is panting for my body (specifically: she's never denied it). There are also indications that she isn't.

Very nice way to comment on this. . .

510 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:12:48pm

re: #491 Cognito

There's also word from the one person in all this who has an interest in proving they did meet: Blagojevich himself.

And notice that the KHQA story -- the only news story I know that claims they did meet -- has been taken down.

How long was it up before it was "taken down"?

I guess there's no chance, none at all, is there, that KHQA would "cover" for The One by taking this story down?
nah.
no way.
media outlets don't do that sort of thing.

511 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:13:00pm

re: #344 redc1c4

throw in a certain natural disposition to obtuseness, and i think you have it covered.

I think he's only here for the free arguments.

512 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:13:06pm

re: #491 Cognito

There's also word from the one person in all this who has an interest in proving they did meet: Blagojevich himself.

And notice that the KHQA story -- the only news story I know that claims they did meet -- has been taken down.

like all the other damning news about Juggy..... if anything, it's disappearance is another indicator that there's something to hide....

an indicator to everyone but you, that is.

Mandy is right.

513 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:13:12pm

re: #396 Racer X

ABC: Candidate who allegedly offered Blago money for Senate seat is Jesse Jackson Jr

wiki:
Prior to elective politics Jackson was proactive in international civil rights activism. He participated in his father's presidential campaigns and then in the office of his National Rainbow Coalition.
Being a leach on society must be a very profitable business.

514 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:13:25pm

Regarding the Littoral Combat Ship, a good idea that would be worth building if we got 30 of them but no they cut it down to two and then canceled the program. Senator McCain was instrumental in eliminating the program.

515 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:13:43pm

re: #503 Creeping Eruption

It happens when you type fast. No need to be so stern.

your bark is worse than your bight..... take a bow.

516 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:13:50pm

re: #490 Occasional Reader

There are indications that Adriana Lima is panting for my body (specifically: she's never denied it). There are also indications that she isn't.

Painting her body?

517 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:13:57pm

re: #487 redstateredneck

Yeah, they go to some third world country and do a taste test between the Whopper and a Big Mac. Whopper wins hands down.
:-p

They didn't have to, they chose to.
I've never tried either burger.
(Why should I? I cook. And I make my own mean burger!)
I'm sure I'm not alone here in the good old USA.
If they'd have gone online with a request for folks like me I bet they'd have found tons of us.

518 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:12pm

re: #503 Creeping Eruption

It happens when you type fast. No need to be so stern.

Look, we should admit that our puns just don't jibe with the topic of this thread.

519 jester6  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:13pm

re: #438 Honorary Yooper

Fitz did this at the right time to keep The OneTM from firing him so easily. Obama looks really bad if he gets rid of Fitz now, and Fitz has a freer hand to deal with the rampent corruption in Chicago.

That is the most interesting take I have heard so far.

There certainly is nothing wrong with Obama talking to the governor about who is going to fill is seat. And most of the quotes I have read involved the typical horse trading expect when politicians make decisions.

I am still trying to get my head around the meat of this indictment. If I am a Senator and I agree to vote a certain way on a bill because the President promises to help me raise $1 million in campaign funds I am just practicing politics as usual. But if I am a Governor and I agree to appoint a certain person to a Senate seat in return for promises to help me raise $1 million in campaign funds I am breaking the law.

I don't get it. Blago was certainly crass but was he criminal. Don't you think Bill Clinton twisted arms to get Hillary on corporate board? What about Dick Cheney and his wife? Bob Dole and his wife? I would think this type of horse trading is common with political power couples.

520 jumplandpackrepeat  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:14pm

It's going to go like this every damn time: Obama denies, someone finds proof he lied, Obama throws someone under the bus.....but eventually he is going to run out of *speedbumps* and the bus he's driving will smash head-on into the brick wall of TRUTH.

521 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:20pm

re: #472 A Kiwi Infidel

No, it is JustMyView, I fell for it as well.

Oh, I remember him/her.

522 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:23pm

re: #511 debutaunt

I think he's only here for the free arguments.

i wish he'd run out of time.

523 turn  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:24pm

re: #468 quickjustice

We're back to Hoover. The Director of the FBI has the means to blackmail the President of the United States. Ugh.

Another scary thought. FBI had a lot of shit on JFK, you know drugs and chicks, yet sat on it though.

524 MJ  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:53pm

re: #404 buzzsawmonkey

If anyone wants to understand American politics, they should watch "The Great McGinty" and "The Front Page" (original O'Brien/Menjou version), and read Plunkett of Tammany Hall.

Buzz, being from Chicago you should read Milton Rakove's two works:

"We Don't Want Nobody Nobody Sent: An Oral History of the Daley Years,"
and

"Don't Make No Waves, Don't back no losers"

525 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:14:56pm

re: #518 Occasional Reader

Look, we should admit that our puns just don't jibe with the topic of this thread.

does that mean we should feel shippish about them?

526 Opinionated  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:15:25pm

re: #396 Racer X

ABC: Candidate who allegedly offered Blago money for Senate seat is Jesse Jackson Jr

Spreading the wealth.

Daddy Jackson extorts big business and Jackson Jr uses the funds to buy a political office.

527 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:15:35pm

re: #406 Occasional Reader

UR sllng Snte seat?

BFF!

y, snd $$$

528 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:15:50pm

re: #359 ploome hineni

290 Jetpilot1101

he is sly and deliberately obscure

always covering his ass, and wording his insinuations promises with a view towards deniability

yuck

Change one word and he sounds almost as good as the One.

529 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:16:14pm

re: #488 ploome hineni

that was her position, right next to the cognut

hahahahaha

530 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:16:53pm

There seem to be conflicting information on whether a meeting between Obama and Blagojevich regarding the senate seat occurred. As "Cognito" notes, this KHQA website is hardly ironclad proof, and there is evidence to the contrary as well.

As far as the press release on the governor's website, it does not state unambiguously that the two met about the seat. The governor can "congratulate" Obama with or without him present (e.g., one could say McCain "congratulated" Obama in his concession speech). Likewise, it says the governor "discussed" the seat replacement-- that could mean "discussed with Obama" or it could mean "discussed at a press conference" or what have you. I think the first sentence of the press release best supports this latter interpretation, that he made "congratulation" announcement to and "discussed" the senate seat to reporters:

"After congratulating President-Elect Barack Obama on his decisive victory, Governor Rod R. Blagojevich announced today that he will take his time and use a diverse senior staff made up of key members of his administration who will assist him in selecting a suitable replacement for Obama"

531 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:17:05pm

re: #523 turn

Another scary thought. FBI had a lot of shit on JFK, you know drugs and chicks, yet sat on it though.

The difference, as I see it, (I was only a whipper snapper back then) JFK was staunchly defending the freedom and democracy of the West, so his personal vices were overlooked.

532 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:17:49pm

re: #525 redc1c4

does that mean we should feel shippish about them?

The schooner you stop this the better.

533 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:18:02pm

re: #510 reine.de.tout

Well. Which is it: Is KHQA the lone outlet that got this story right? Or do they so lack credibility that they're part of a conspiracy to cover up for Obama.

There's a third, and far more likely, possibility. They got it wrong.

534 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:18:30pm

re: #519 jester6

That is the most interesting take I have heard so far.

There certainly is nothing wrong with Obama talking to the governor about who is going to fill is seat. And most of the quotes I have read involved the typical horse trading expect when politicians make decisions.

I am still trying to get my head around the meat of this indictment. If I am a Senator and I agree to vote a certain way on a bill because the President promises to help me raise $1 million in campaign funds I am just practicing politics as usual. But if I am a Governor and I agree to appoint a certain person to a Senate seat in return for promises to help me raise $1 million in campaign funds I am breaking the law.

I don't get it. Blago was certainly crass but was he criminal. Don't you think Bill Clinton twisted arms to get Hillary on corporate board? What about Dick Cheney and his wife? Bob Dole and his wife? I would think this type of horse trading is common with political power couples.

and Monica goes to Max Factor

535 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:18:41pm

New strategy for selecting our government: Put all formerly elective offices up for sale to the highest bidder. Proceeds into the Treasury.

Government by the ultra rich might be an improvement with certain exceptions, including Senator Soros.

536 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:19:07pm

Is Obama Hussien shutting Guantanamo down and taking the prisoners to Chicago so they help out the Chicago Democrats? They have a Senate seat up for sale. Al Queda may be interested.

537 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:19:11pm

re: #532 Spare O'Lake

The schooner you stop this the better.

Good advice, but if people don't like puns, they can just skiff right over these posts.

538 J.S.  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:19:38pm

re: #407 Cognito

Obama stated, " “I had no contact with the governor or his office, so I was not aware of what was happening." That is Obama's claim. Do you grasp what Obama was maintaining?

If it turns out that Obama did meet with the governor or his office (and, according to an Associated press article, Obama did meet with the governor), then Obama is telling a lie.

Obviously, this is not the first time Obama has been caught in a lie. (In fact, I suspect, it's Obama's standard MO -- whenever he's caught in any hint of anything, even mildly embarrassing, he gets out of it by lying.) And, "no", it's not about "the insinuation that Obama is crooked", it's the problem with Obama's "honesty" (or lack thereof)...it appears to be one of Obama's character flaws.

539 Rev  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:19:58pm

Reading the Press Release, it is not specifically clear that blago the impaler actually talked to the ONE about the senate seat...

I tend to believe that he did, but there is no specific reference to that. The actual presser suggests that he congratulated the ONE, and that he is discussing the replacement, not specifically that he discussed it with HE WHO SHALL BE OBEYED.

The article says:

After congratulating President-Elect Barack Obama on his decisive victory, Governor Rod R. Blagojevich announced today that he will take his time and use a diverse senior staff made up of key members of his administration who will assist him in selecting a suitable replacement for Obama
540 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:20:39pm

re: #531 A Kiwi Infidel

Bedding female East German spies is hardly defense of the West, unless you're James Bond. Then again, JFK loved James Bond.

541 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:21:31pm

re: #533 Cognito

Well. Which is it: Is KHQA the lone outlet that got this story right? Or do they so lack credibility that they're part of a conspiracy to cover up for Obama.

There's a third, and far more likely, possibility. They got it wrong.

I don't know anything about KHQA.
They may have been the only "outlet" with a written report of this; but apparently, Obama staffers said during interviews that he "met" with Blago (or was going to meet with Blago). So they are hardly the "only" outlet that reported a meeting.

If the story is wrong, then they should leave the story and PUT UP A CORRECTION, which is what I've seen done by folks who aren't trying to hide anything.

542 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:23:55pm

re: #537 Creeping Eruption

Good advice, but if people don't like puns, they can just skiff right over these posts.

Your advice is also excellent. I think I'll go for a late launch.

543 tackle  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:24:36pm

re: #31 Jetpilot1101

I really wished that Fitzgerald had let him actually sell the seat and then nailed the whole bunch of them. It would have been so much better to take down a sitting governor and his improperly appointed senate appointee.

Imagine the carnage.


About 400 comments too late, but:
The timing of this is relevant. The FBI swooped in before the seat could get sold, but imagine if they would have sat back and let it happen. It's possible that some very big names were about to be involved and the FBI (or whoever) wanted to protect them.

544 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:24:42pm

re: #350 freedomplow

That was me... It was a joke.

I was laughing.

545 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:25:10pm

re: #541 reine.de.tout

Yep. I agree.

546 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:26:16pm

re: #7 Jetpilot1101

Waiting for the MSM to cover this in 5...4...3...2...

/not holding breath

Obama's in it right up to his eyeballs.

547 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:26:23pm

re: #541 reine.de.tout
KHQA is a small regional station. As a matter of fact, the call letters stand for Keokuk (Iowa) Hannibal (Missouri) Quincy (Illinois) Area.

548 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:26:47pm
549 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:27:14pm

re: #335 Cognito

I'm not focusing on things that aren't being alleged. People are calling Obama "the most corrupt President elect ever," etc etc.

I think that's a mistake.

Have you considered a career in Tap Dancing?

550 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:28:10pm

re: #547 redstateredneck

KHQA is a small regional station. As a matter of fact, the call letters stand for Keokuk (Iowa) Hannibal (Missouri) Quincy (Illinois) Area.

Ah.
I just looked up their online site.
It looks like they post news almost like our newspaper posts an online version of the paper.

If the story was wrong, then I think their better option would have been to leave the story, OR take the story down and replace it with a correction. That's what our local newspaper does.

551 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:28:47pm
552 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:28:54pm

re: #346 descolada9

It's going to have to be major involvement on the part of BHO before the media goes after it. And the Repubs aren't going to do much in Congress because of how badly they burned themselves over the Clinton impeachment. Not to mention that most Repubs on Capital Hill are weak-spined wimps.

I also wouldn't put it past Fitzgerald to have brought this investigation to an early end in order to retain his own US Attorney seat and having something to hold over BHO in the future.

Or to stop Jesse Jackson, jr from offering $1,000,000 officially which would be a massive problem for the black community.

553 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:29:07pm

re: #542 Spare O'Lake

Your advice is also excellent. I think I'll go for a late launch.

Just got back myself. Always a problem though, I work downtown and there is just a raft of options from which to choose.

554 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:29:49pm

re: #543 tackle

About 400 comments too late, but:
The timing of this is relevant. The FBI swooped in before the seat could get sold, but imagine if they would have sat back and let it happen. It's possible that some very big names were about to be involved and the FBI (or whoever) wanted to protect them.

exactly - and I think they needed to stop it for that reason - to avoid embarrassing jesse Jackson, jr.

555 Earick  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:30:02pm

Remember... Biden is next in line for president! and you can't cure stupid!

556 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:30:19pm

re: #113 gop_patriot

Exactly. What's the definition of a compulsive liar, they lie even when they don't have to or it would be better not to?

Scary.

I have a brother in law who is one of these. Absolutely terrifying that we now have one who is about to become our president.

557 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:32:06pm

re: #538 J.S.

Obviously, this is not the first time Obama has been caught in a lie.


Nobody is talking about withdrawing troops in Iraq

--Obama during the debates.

558 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:32:16pm
559 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:32:51pm

re: #549 HoosierHoops

Have you considered a career in Tap Dancing?

Not at all. I've stuck to the same course throughout.

If Obama -- or anyone -- has done something untoward, whatever it is, he should pay for it. I'd just like to be completely right about it.

560 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:33:49pm

re: #542 Spare O'Lake

Your advice is also excellent. I think I'll go for a late launch.

I'm tired. Yarrrrrrr

561 notutopia  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:36:54pm

re: #425 Charles

Charles, when it loads the pages up and you squash the bot, does that mean the pages didn't get sent already somewhere else? Can you tell where the bot originated, like who set the beasty to begin with? Explain please...

562 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:37:33pm

Jackson's atty says Jesse IS ''Candidate #5."
I thought they were going to deny this?

563 Charles  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:39:26pm

re: #278 bmorte

Wait! Stop it now! If this continues and something bad happens to Obama, we may find that millions of voters will be disenfranchised!

Uh ... the difference here is that if this does end up involving Obama somehow, it would be for a legitimate issue, not for a crack-brained conspiracy theory.

564 venezuela lover  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:39:27pm

Blago, of all people, will know exactly what conversations he had with BHO. In fact, Blago could threaten to talk and be given an instant pardon if he acts after Jan 21.
Blago is from Chicago politics. It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

565 Buck  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:39:41pm

re: #453 EmmmieG

Am I the only one with an image of some little autobot crawling up the tubes from Star Trek (I will get flamed for this, but I forgot the name of the things, the ones that Scotty used to crawl up in), installing little alien devices along the way?

Jeffries Tubes

566 MJBrutus  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:39:53pm

Woopsie.

Merry Fitzmas Barack!

And your little Jesse too.

567 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:40:23pm

The KHQA story form Nov. 8 is still there. The one from Nov. 5 appears in their search thingy, but does not appear when you click their link.

Who will fill Obama's senate seat? : News : KHQA
By Carol Sowers Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.. CHICAGO, ILL. -- Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. ...
[Link: www.connecttristates.com...] -

568 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:41:12pm

Preview mocks me.

569 kafir lover  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:42:04pm

re: #167 harrylook

Am I the only one annoyed by the sudden presumption of innocence some lizards are giving 0bama? What's the guy done to earn our trust or respect? Nothing, as far as I'm concerned. I assume he's lying . . .

It's not about trust and respect for Obama, it's about the validation of a single news source.

570 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:42:04pm

re: #421 DeafDog

There is a grand jury seated dealing with the circumstances of the valuation of the property. What comes out of that is anyone's guess.

571 Joan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:42:10pm

re: #565 Buck

Jeffries Tubes

Jeffries Tubes.
*smack*
/normal people don't know that crap off the top of their heads O _ O

572 Joan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:42:55pm

re: #565 Buck

Ah. A Jeopardy player present.

573 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:43:35pm

re: #563 Charles

Yeah, we disenfranchised a lot of Germans in World War 2 also. My mother was part of the effort playing Mash behind the front lines as a nurse.

574 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:44:12pm
575 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:46:35pm
576 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:48:44pm

I am very late to the thread - haven't been able to get on for the last 36 hours.

FWIW, seems just about the most obvious aspect of this whole story as it relates to Obama is being overlooked.

Where was Obama?

Specifically, are we to think that Obama emerged from the political swamp that is Chicago without EVER witnessing ANYTHING untoward or corrupt? NEVER?

He has come to Washington having marketed himself as the Saviour and a reformer unblemished by the wrongs of Washington. He has repeatedly stated that he will change Washington by bringing corrupt practices to an end.

Why didn't he do it in CHicago? In Illinois? Did he never witness anything? Is he that obtuse? Or is it that he witnessed things but simply kept his mouth shut? How ethical is that? For some crimes, a witness who says nothing is an accessory.

Then there is this strange claim that he has never discussed his replacement with Blagojavich. Really? How shrewd is that claim? If Obama knew nothing about Blago's corruption, then why shouldn't he have talked the the Governor? After all, HE IS THE OUTGOING SENATOR. Where in theses United States has a living outgoing Senator moving to a higher office NOT discussed his/her replacement with his/her Governor? I would be stunned if HRC hasn't discussed such matters with the NY Governor, and Biden with Delaware's. Seems to me to be a matter of protocol if not simple competence to involve oneself in the selection of a successor.

But our unthinking media is incapable of asking such questions. Instead, they note the party ID of the persons involved and confer complete confidence in said persons when the ID reads "Democrat".

The death of skepticism will bring the death of the Republic.

577 J.S.  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:50:05pm

Btw, CNN has reported that the FBI began the wiretaps in October. And on a program today (during an interview), it was asked if the prosecutor would have (perhaps) tipped off Obama (with respect to the surveillance of the governor), and the answer was -- "yes, it was possible." and that it would not be at all unusual to have a prosecutor informing others of the investigation (including higher-ups at the Dept. of Justice, etc.)

578 Joan  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:50:41pm

re: #4 Ford_Prefect

You mean Obama lied? Shocking!

///

No, no, no. He did not lie. He was not saying he never spoke to Blago about the vacant Senate seat, he was saying he had not spoken to Blago about the vacant Senate seat 'lately.' Out of context! Trial by Sound Bite!

/sarc

579 bill-tb  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 12:52:45pm

moo-Siah who is supposed to be able to walk on water is now taking on water. Help, I'm sinking, media save me quick.

BhaaaaWaWaWa ... Obama lies, just not as good as it as the slickmiester.

580 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:01:07pm

re: #234 lawhawk

Look, just because Obama and Blagojavich were meeting to discuss who would replace Obama doesn't mean that Obama's in on the criminality. It does make Obama look stupid for claiming that the two men didn't talk, or didn't talk about the seat when it has been reported by multiple outlets and multiple sources indicate that they spoke.

It's not the crime, it's the coverup, and in his attempt to distance himself from Blagojavich, Obama's going to run afoul of the law. It will be interesting to see all the subpoenas flying at everyone involved - including Obama to get to the heart of who was involved and what was being discussed. Obama better get his story straight, or he too will find out what it means to enter a perjury trap or obstruct justice. From what I can tell, Obama really wanted nothing to do with Blago's heavy handed tactics and demands for quid pro quo, but that too indicates that the two men talked or had their underlings talking - all of which goes against what Obama has been saying.

This mess is about to get a whole lot messier, and it also will be entertaining watching all those folks who thought that Scooter Libby should fry now facing a situaiton where The One and his flacks, including Axelrod, Emanuel, and a whole host of Chicago cronies is about to engage the same guy who nailed Libby for the perjury trap.

I wish I could share your optimism, but I don't see Fitz going after Obama. And I certainly don't see the lameass Bush DOJ encouraging him to do so either.

The Plame leak came from Powell's office via Armitage, but Fitz went after Libby/Cheney EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW IT at the start of the investigation. I don't trust him ...

581 Sunlight  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:01:26pm

Did somebody get screenshots of the deleted items? Not that facts and proof of lies matters to the Obama fans I know.

582 WitchDoctor  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:03:11pm

re: #348 maddogg

I am really late to this game as usual, but I think you nailed it. That is the very first thing I thought of when this story broke... so he wouldn't give you anything which means it was, in fact, discussed?

583 LoafingOaf  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:10:55pm

This is really weird! Last night I was showing someone the link toe the YouTube where Axelrod made the comment about Obama meeting with Rod on Fox News. The YouTube clip ws suddenly unavailable. It still is.

Then I go to Instapundit just now and click on his link to one of the above news stories, and it is unavailable.

Then I come to LGF and it says multiple stories are going unavailable all of a sudden.

584 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:11:38pm

Well what do you know? Florida 2000 gets upstaged by Chicago 2008.
With the media in his back pocket (or vice versa) BHO should skate on this.

The reign of Barakus XLIV is not off to a good start.

585 LoafingOaf  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:11:38pm

Yes, we need screen shots of these articles.

586 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:14:30pm

re: #402 Rancher

I wish we could find out who all those credit card donations came from, but we can't. He could have used acceptable security measures that every retailer uses to be sure who was making donations, but he didn't. He could provide what info he has to get rid of the speculation that some of those were illegal, but he won't. My verdict, he's corrupt.

Of course. But the Bush DOJ and Atty Gen had absolutely no interest in that or in ACORN. And they will have absolutely no interest in Obama's involvement in the sale of his US Senate seat either.

587 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:18:32pm

re: #584 Quintus_Arius

Well what do you know? Florida 2000 gets upstaged by Chicago 2008.
With the media in his back pocket (or vice versa) BHO should skate on this.

The reign of Barakus XLIV is not off to a good start.

And perhaps even Watergate will be diminished. What did Gerald Ford say when he pardoned Nixon, " My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over". Unfortunately, we went back to sleep.

588 LoafingOaf  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:19:37pm

I am not a conspiratorial person but why are so few people outside this web site concerned that news articles are being airbrushed off the Internet? Please tell me someone got a screen grab!

589 LoafingOaf  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:23:37pm

BTW, I live in Northeast Ohio (the Cleveland area) and poitics here are exactly like in Chicago, and there's been a massive FBI probe on major Democrati Party leaers all summer long. They've been raiding the homes of a county commissioner, the county auditor, the offices of county judges. They just busted a city councilman for bribery two days ago. The feds are all up in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, investigated the Dems here, as well. My new congresswoman, MArcia Fudge, was selected by party leaders right after Stephanie Tubbs-Jones suddenly died some months ago, and it's a congressional district drawn so that Republicans have zero chance of winning. IOW, whoever the party leaders selected for that seat would automatically win re-elections. Wouldn't surprise me if the seat was sold.

590 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:26:33pm

re: #588 LoafingOaf

I am not a conspiratorial person but why are so few people outside this web site concerned that news articles are being airbrushed off the Internet? Please tell me someone got a screen grab!

The one from KHQA on Nov. 8 is still up at their site. The one from KHQA from Nov. 5 is pictured at Gateway Pundit, so there is a screenshot of that one.

I don't know about the video from YouTube that you mentioned.

591 zato  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:48:38pm

re: #88 Cognito

Actually it's looking increasingly like he didn't.

And what are you reading? Please do share. Or are you just basing it on "hope"?

592 Cognito  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:54:42pm

re: #591 zato

And what are you reading? Please do share. Or are you just basing it on "hope"?

I did share. Numerous times.

593 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:55:23pm

re: #590 wrenchwench

OK, now the one from Nov. 8 is also gone. I may have had a cache issue or something.

594 Rancher  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 1:56:14pm

re: #586 funky chicken

Of course. But the Bush DOJ and Atty Gen had absolutely no interest in that or in ACORN. And they will have absolutely no interest in Obama's involvement in the sale of his US Senate seat either.

Just like they were never interested in any of the security leaks from the CIA and NSA.

595 LoafingOaf  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:02:52pm

The Nov. 8 article was visible to me briefly a few minutes ago and now it's gone again.

Are they having technical problems from all the links to it, or what is going on here?

596 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:07:02pm

And how are comedians not able to come up with material on this guy?

597 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:10:42pm

re: #425 Charles

I just discovered a bot crawling through our entire site as fast as possible. It loaded 2265 pages in the past 30 minutes, including pages with comments.

That's what was causing the slowdown.

Dem bot, dem bots, dem damn bots...

598 SaracensAtTheGates  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:19:03pm

The upside to the Democrats in power in both congress and the white house is that it's going to be fun to watch Saturday Night Live for at least two years, possibly four.

599 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:19:08pm

re: #370 turn

It just occured to me the utter chaos that could create in this country. Can you imagine the first black president getting stripped of his presidency? You're right, if the FBI had something it would certainly be in this nation's best interest to bury it.

First, they almost certainly don't have anything. Not because they would publish if they had it, but because Blago was furious with O for not coming across with a serious offer.

Second, if they did have something, it would not be in the national interest that it be suppressed. Whatever they had, even if it were truly atrocious, the Democrat Congress would not impeach, nor would the electoral college step outside the box and name Biden president.

But for Obama to skate, knowing that he'd been caught, would put him in a reckless frame of mind. That frame of mind would be infinitely dangerous to the nation. Everybody has to know that not only is he theoretically subject to the law, he could actually be dragged off to the slammer if he breaks too many serious laws too brazenly.

600 kwildman  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:27:29pm

I don't see how, with all the contradicting statements flying around, Fitzgerald wouldn't put BHO under oath and get a straight answer from him. Then we would certainly know the truth, at the risk of his forthcoming presidency.

Why is this guy compelled to lie about all things, at all times?

601 ckb  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:27:39pm

Is this their answer?

[Link: www.connecttristates.com...]

KHQA TV wishes to offer clarification regarding a story that appeared last month on our website ConnectTristates.com. The story, which discussed the appointment of a replacement for President Elect Obama’in the U.S. Senate, became the subject of much discussion on talk radio and on blog sites Wednesday.

The story housed in our website archive was on the morning of November 5, 2008. It suggested that a meeting was scheduled later that day between President Elect Obama and Illinois Governor Blagojevich. KHQA has no knowledge that any meeting ever took place. Governor Blagojevich did appear at a news conference in Chicago on that date.

602 gymnast  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 2:42:22pm

If you didn't see it, it didn't happen (from the school of reason by psychosis). which reminds me that I didn't see the bombing of Hiroshima.

603 TheHistorian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:06:57pm

This may be another "just another guy in my neighborhood" by Obama. In case you libs haven't figured it out yet, he is another liar like Bill Clinton. Glad you libs can find such upstanding politicians to represent you. At least when Republicans find a liar, he is drummed out, not promoted to the nation's highest office.

Watch how many "Bush lied, people died" airheads respond to this comment.

604 the historian  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:26:24pm

For the record, this is not me.

re: #603 TheHistorian

This may be another "just another guy in my neighborhood" by Obama. In case you libs haven't figured it out yet, he is another liar like Bill Clinton. Glad you libs can find such upstanding politicians to represent you. At least when Republicans find a liar, he is drummed out, not promoted to the nation's highest office.

Watch how many "Bush lied, people died" airheads respond to this comment.

605 Indefatigable  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:31:21pm

KHQA has now issued “a clarification:”


In other news, Oceania is now at war with Eastasia and has always been.

606 StarOfDavid  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:36:28pm

censorship at its finest.

607 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 3:54:44pm

"However, there’s still no explanation for why they reported on November 8th that the meeting *had* taken place."

Well, that obviously is most likely a case of making a new report based on the prior (mistaken) report--once mistaken information slips through, it can easily duplicate if reporters base their new reporting on the old reporting, rather than doing independent confirmation for each bit of information.

608 nikis-knight  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:00:03pm

Ah, what a bind. Either stick to a story that paints the annointed one as a liar, or tacitly admit that they basically just make stuff up.
I guess since the latter surprises no one at this point, that was an easy choice after all.

609 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:07:38pm

re: #254 EmmmieG

I realized, after I posted this, that I needed to give credit to John Derbyshire in his radio Derb broadcast for the idea. I had been (lightly) stewing about it since Friday, and mentally adding to the list of names he mentioned.

Radio Derb--always a good wallow in despair.

610 rumcrook  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:27:51pm

rinse-repeat rinse-repeat until its gone.

we have to protect the lord high obama

611 gman  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:43:26pm

Here's the Axelrod video that keeps becoming unavailable for some strange reason.

612 biff  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 4:44:40pm

re: #156 zelnaga

As I understand it, Obama wanted a member of his campaign staff to be named his successor but Blagojevich didn't want to play ball - Blagojevich wanted something in return for appointing someone Obama wanted. Obama refused to cooperate and that was pretty much that.


If this is true, Obama was at least a material witness to attempted solicitation of a bribe and the selling of a political office. Obama's failure to come forward with this incriminating evidence makes him complicit in aiding and abetting the perpetration of political corruption. I'm pretty sure that's a felony.

613 Vanderleun  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:30:17pm

I have the screengrab of the Nov 5 story along with some background on the "reporter" aka the stations Executive News Director.

The item is at: UPDATED: Missing Pages of History Restored: The Obama-Blago Story That Disappeared is Here

[Link: americandigest.org...]

614 psyop  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:37:55pm

I wrote this to them in their "Contact Us" form.

Some 20-something intern will probably delete it, but here it is for posterity.

I see you are more concerned with cleaning up Obama's poo than being accurate. You would actually say you were wrong several times reporting that Obama met with the Gov than make the Chosen One look bad.

Good to see that journalistic malfeasance is alive and well. This is why no-one believes the media anymore.

We remember stuff. No matter how many times you tell us the last thing you wrote was wrong. Read 1984 again, assholes. We are not the crowd that hears a change in the rhetoric mid-sentence and believes it with all our heart.

615 Castlebravo  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 5:52:53pm

This is approaching Boston Tea Party proportions...................but on a front so broad so as to include the public opinion, CORRECTED. I just visited [Link: www.howObamagotelected.com,...] and I'm not surprised. When will we wake up? Before or after it's too late?

How much longer are these people going to be able to lie with a straight face? How much deeper will they dig themselves into the hole before WE start piling the dirt ON TOP of them?

More and more as O is boxed in by reality, he position will become untenable, yet nobody will dare say that somebody got it right for the past 8 years....

Yes, Mr. Blagovich, I know. "F@#$ that."

See you in hell.

616 grahamski  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:54:19pm

This scumbag has lied so much I am losing count.

617 gman  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:57:42pm

historical connections:
Obama helped Blagojevich win his Illinois gubernatorial seat

618 gman  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 6:59:27pm

pic of Blagojevich, Obama, and Axelrod

619 foxsecret  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:34:06pm

Ladies and Gentlemen...

Chicago style politics will soon rule the land.

(Bill and Hillary eat your heart out!)

620 iam7545  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 7:51:05pm

Sean HANNITY had a very recent pic on his show of Blago and Barry together.

This reminds me of the Jackie Mason bit about Clinton lying about smoking dope -

Mason say - " it is like getting caught with a Pastrami sandwich in your hand - and your wife asks - " Are you eating Pastrami again?"

"Am I eating Pastrami? No - I am holding it in my hand."

621 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 8:01:43pm

Everyone -

I have but two (2) questions.

1. What did the President-Elect FORGET, and

2. When Did HE FORGET it?

That is all.

-S-

622 iam7545  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 8:38:37pm

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Obama_ and_Blago.html


Barry and Blago together at the NGC in Phila

623 gman  Wed, Dec 10, 2008 9:32:45pm

re: #622 iam7545

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Obama_ and_Blago.html


Barry and Blago together at the NGC in Phila

From your link

The reality of Obama's relationship with the Chicago Democratic machine is more nuanced, and has been widely explored. He certainly isn't a creature of the machine,

Typical moonbat speak. It's only nuanced if it's Obama and not Bush, and it's only the product of a machine if it's Bush and not Obama. yada yada yada

624 Ron Shaw  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:28:09am

He didn't before he did! Or is that, he didn't after he did or did after he didn't or didn't when he did or did when he didn't? Lies get confusing especially when served-up by smooth-talking, double-tongued politicians such as Obama.

Speaking of the big O, we now see he will opt to us his middle name at the swearing-in ceremony. Suddenly, his full name, Barack Hussein Obama is in vogue for him now at least...go figure! I wonder, will the MSM now dive into the whole Hussein thing with tingly enthusiasm oozing of approval?

625 ilconservperson  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 8:44:28am

KHQA has always been in the tank for The Great One. When The Great One showed up for the flood and filled A sand bag it was big news and shown ad nauseam. When he came into the Oakley Lindsey center the female report I think wet herself when he entered the building. Quincy has always been a big democrat town. BTW KHQA's message board has gone into maintenance mode. No one except staff can post. Good job KHQA for getting national exposure for being idiots.

626 FreeKeys  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 9:03:27pm

This screen-captured news article says, "Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled. Obama met with Governor Rod Blogojevich earlier this week to discuss it." --

[Link: i168.photobucket.com...]


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