What did Obama know and when did he know it?

Say it isn't so!

This is not the Grafter that I knew...

Must. Have. Popcorn.

Sure he did. We only have to ask ourselves if his statement was a willful lie or a lame attempt at 'politics as usual.'

Either way he kinda sucks at this so far.

"We had no contact" is quickly becoming the new "I did not have sex with that woman."

Dang, I hate it when that happens ...

//

re: #6 Wyatt Earp

"We had no contact" is quickly becoming the new "I did not have sex with that woman."

True. Maybe he should have stuck with, "I didn't have sex with that Governor" instead.

The truth hurts, doesn't it, Obama. Oh sure, maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts.

Hot Air has pics of the meeting...
Depends on how you define “contact”; Update: Blago newsletter photo included

He lied? That's not the Obamessiah™ I knew.
/

I feel a great disturbance in the Force... as if millions of Cognitos cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

It's all going to come out in the end. I can't see Blabbobitch falling on his sword for anybody. He is a rat who can't even see character from the garbage he roots around in.

Because we are the first group of posters, does that mean that we are also the people who never read the articles? lol

So, Cog, what's this about Obama and Blago again?

I thought so.

Keeps quacking, even though told to shut up. Quite possibly it's a duck.

re: #8 Noam Chumpski

True. Maybe he should have stuck with, "I didn't have sex with that Governor" instead.

Hell, that could be a lie, too!

HERE COME DA BUS!

The truth hasn't hurt Obama yet. I doubt it will start now.

re: #9 Honorary Yooper

The truth hurts, doesn't it, Obama. Oh sure, maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts.

re: #18 Wyatt Earp

Hell, that could be a lie, too!

Remember the 'Obama is gay' stuff? Oh, man.

Obama...does someone have a cigarette?

What'll be interesting is what Obama does with the US Attorney's when he takes office. Does he fire Fitz or allow him to continue? And more importantly, if he does fire him, what is the media reaction? My jaded mind tells me the reaction is a yawn...

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Hot Air has pics of the meeting...
Depends on how you define “contact”; Update: Blago newsletter photo included

That second photo is ...well ...PRICELESS ..

No good can come of this:

1. Even more disillusionment in the political process.

2. Option #1: Ruining the first black president before he has even taken the oath (at which point apparently it will be ok to use his middle name again, or so I've heard).

3. Option #2: Not ruining the first black president precisely because he is the first black president (and (cough) democrat (cough) and therefore immune to criticism.

4. Option #3 Obama had nothing to do with it. Always possible, but I still question how the governor knew the Obama team wouldn't pay him if he hadn't asked...

Uh-oh. The One's halo is starting to looking a little tarnished. Is that a dent I see over on the left? Hmmm.

It's going to become increasingly painful to watch the Messiah shuck and jive.

re: #15 Noam Chumpski

At least our comments show that we aren't pretending to have read the article. :)

re: #14 maddogg

It's all going to come out in the end. I can't see Blabbobitch falling on his sword for anybody. He is a rat who can't even see character from the garbage he roots around in.

He is a rat. Which is really funny when you consider that a SunTimes photo had him next to a sign stating: "Warning! Stop Rats."

Seems like since Blago's office and Obama's presidential transition office are within blocks of each other they ***might*** bump into each other innocently getting coffee or lunch... just in the neighborhood ...and cordially nod, but definitely not exchange any words...

re: #28 poopeedoo

At least our comments show that we aren't pretending to have read the article. :)

True dat! I mean, I rarely have ANY idea what I'm talking about.

re: #1 jcm

What did Obama know and when did he know it?

Prosecution and Journalism 101...

An outgoing Illinois senator would need to discuss his commission in such a situation.

re: #26 ashan

There are dents all over the back of his halo. The media makes sure they never photograph Obama from the back. :)

Heh. They're all ducks. With Green Bills.

The media will spin this into a sexual story, what with all the f**k talk from Blagojevich...that way they'll be able to claim that it was a private matter and none of our business...
/s

And what exactly, is Rahm Emanuel's involvement in this?

re: #15 Noam Chumpski

Because we are the first group of posters, does that mean that we are also the people who never read the articles? lol

Hey, Noam! Why would you read the article when you can get in a completely irrelevant and potentially inaccurate quip early in the thread?

re: #38 Wyatt Earp

And what exactly, is Rahm Emanuel's involvement in this?

I said yesterday that I think his fingerprints are all over this.

Even morons are going to be appalled at the next 4 years.

Palin 2012.

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re: #24 JacksonTn

That second photo is ...well ...PRICELESS ..

They don't appear to be actually tongue-kissing, so it doesn't count as "contact".

re: #11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He lied? That's not the Obamessiah™ I knew.
/

dear leader lied, political careers died. . .

Oh: Obama to List Staff Contact with Blago

President-elect Barack Obama said Thursday morning that he is “confident” no one representing him took part in any pay-to-play dealings with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich over filling Obama’s U.S. Senate seat, and pledged to release details of contacts between his team and the governor’s office in the next few days.

“I have never spoken to the governor on this subject. I am confident that no representatives of mine would have any part of any deals related to this seat. I think the materials released by the U.S. Attorney reflect that fact,” Obama said at a Chicago news conference. “I’ve asked my team to gather the facts of any contacts with the governor’s office about this vacancy so that we can share them with you over the next few days.”

Whoa, Charles -- don't overreach. This was a meeting where Blogo specifically said they didn't discuss successors, and of course it was before the election when it was possible that there wouldn't be a succession at all.

I think there's some shenanigans going on here. And I think that even if there's not, things are being covered up by the MSM. Don't let the MSM zing you for overreaching and then use that as an excuse to minimize or ignore the stuff that isn't overreaching.

re: #41 Ojoe

Even morons are going to be appalled at the next 4 years.

Palin 2012.

I like Sarah just fine, but I'd rather have other options.

re: #35 Iron Fist

Of course the MSM will yawn and barely report it. If Obama sodomized a goat on the fifty-yard-line at the Superbowl for half-time entertainment, the MSM would try to find an angle where he looked good doing it.

In the tank doesn't even begin to describe it.

If Obama had a 666 tattooed on him the media would report it as a 999...

re: #35 Iron Fist

please pass the brain bleach...

re: #21 Noam Chumpski

Remember the 'Obama is gay' stuff? Oh, man.

Barack-back Mountin'!

re: #34 poopeedoo

ROFLMAO

re: #4 rawmuse

Must. Have. Popcorn.

I gotta crack open that can of caramel popcorn I bought from the Boy Scouts. Talk about politically incorrect.

re: #38 Wyatt Earp

And what exactly, is Rahm Emanuel's involvement in this?

He will be taking notes and selecting cutlery. . .appropos of the occasion. . .

re: #39 doppelganglander

Hey, Noam! Why would you read the article when you can get in a completely irrelevant and potentially inaccurate quip early in the thread?

/golf claps in your general direction for your wise posting

re: #40 loppyd

I said yesterday that I think his fingerprints are all over this.

Absolutely, when I looked for more information online, I saw him standing next to Blago in a lot of photos!

Bamboozled I tell ya ...hoodwinked ...blah, blah, blah ...same song second verse ...

That's what happens when you go off-teleprompter.

So I am not the only one who remembers a news story a day after the election that said Obama will discuss with Governor his choice for Senate replacement? And to think that was a whole month ago.

Hmmm, Blago not stepping down, you think maybe he has got something on Obama? Ya think!

'That's not the Governor Blagojevich I knew."

re: #55 Wyatt Earp

Absolutely, when I looked for more information online, I saw him standing next to Blago in a lot of photos!

Yep. He ran Blago's 2002 campaign - with help from Barry.

Just pardon the governor - before his trial. Avoid complications.

re: #47 Occasional Reader

The Democrats will give you at least one.

Hey, what the Governor does in the privacy of his office is his business.

/MSM

".. The governor added, ““We have had some discussions about a process which we’ll share … if all goes well.”

Well. It hasn't gone well, so I guess that cancels out the 'sharing of the process'.

re: #46 manny

Whoa, Charles -- don't overreach. This was a meeting where Blogo specifically said they didn't discuss successors, and of course it was before the election when it was possible that there wouldn't be a succession at all.

I think there's some shenanigans going on here. And I think that even if there's not, things are being covered up by the MSM. Don't let the MSM zing you for overreaching and then use that as an excuse to minimize or ignore the stuff that isn't overreaching.

Um. . .what? Keep quiet and let the MSM talk? Is that it? I am not sure what silence is buying here. . .read the last 2 days worth of threads. . .he is underplaying this at best. . .

re: #27 Daisy

It's going to become increasingly painful to watch the Messiah shuck and jive.

I speak jive!

re: #59 filetandrelease

Hmmm, Blago not stepping down, you think maybe he has got something on Obama? Ya think!

He's got something on someone - that's for sure. And don't forget that Rezko is signing like a bird while all of this is going down.

re: #47 Occasional Reader

I like Sarah just fine, but I'd rather have other options.

I'm still hoping we haven't heard the last of Romney

Blagojevich: " bad 'karma' "

Aw, c'mon Bleepy, suck it up.
Charles, give him an account!

/gamey gamey gamey gamey gamey *drool*

Media is prepping the cover for Obama... (HT Rush)

Is Illinois Gov. Blagojevich nuts?

Mark Brown of the Chicago Sun-Times makes a case for insanity, saying because Blagojevich came up through the Chicago power structure, he doesn't know right from wrong.

"Nobody ever taught him the proper way to govern. All his role models were crooks," Brown wrote.

re: #63 Ojoe

The Democrats will give you at least one.

It would be fun if the Republicans can, too.

Why would he deny unless he's attempting to hide something?

/He's got MSM "editorial support."

re: #46 manny

Whoa, Charles -- don't overreach. This was a meeting where Blogo specifically said they didn't discuss successors, and of course it was before the election when it was possible that there wouldn't be a succession at all.

I think there's some shenanigans going on here. And I think that even if there's not, things are being covered up by the MSM. Don't let the MSM zing you for overreaching and then use that as an excuse to minimize or ignore the stuff that isn't overreaching.

Who's overreaching? I said this is "more evidence" that they discussed the Senate seat, and it is. I didn't say they discussed successors, you assumed that from what I wrote.

The point is simple -- Obama flatly denied having any discussions with Blagojevich.

What is really becoming fun to watch is how Chris Matthews (who couldn't get enough of Fitzgerald and Scooter Libby) is trying to spin this thing as though it is "no big deal" - and only red meat for the Republicans!
Dream on Chris!

re: #56 JacksonTn

Bamboozled I tell ya ...hoodwinked ...blah, blah, blah ...same song second verse ...

"We didn't land on Chicago Politics. Chicago Politics landed on us!"

re: #74 Charles

Who's overreaching? I said this is "more evidence" that they discussed the Senate seat, and it is. I didn't say they discussed successors, you assumed that from what I wrote.

The point is simple -- Obama flatly denied having any discussions with Blagojevich.

He sure did and he reiterated just this morning.

re: #13 Iron Fist

All this, and he's not even taken the Oath of Office, yet. We are so fucked.

Can you say whitewater? I knew ya could! Damn this is sounding more like the Clintoon mess every day...

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Yes.

Time for a new party though.

What other pressing political issue would Obama have to discuss with Blagojevich other than the Senate succession?

mmm, and for the record the tribune would be the paper that Blaggy tried to intimidate.

re: #62 CharlieBravo

Just pardon the governor - before his trial. Avoid complications.

And there it is. Blago won't resign, go to Club Fed quietly, zip his lips about Obama, and be pardoned in 2009.

I personally hope he gets out of this. I don't want the nation's first (almost) black president to fail even before he takes office. On the other hand, a lot of democrats are going to have to take a dive over this affair. Now, if we can have a black president, and a weakened democratic party...well, I see win-win.

Still, my box of popcorn needs a refill.

re: #46 manny

Whoa, Charles -- don't overreach. This was a meeting where Blogo specifically said they didn't discuss successors, and of course it was before the election when it was possible that there wouldn't be a succession at all.

I think there's some shenanigans going on here. And I think that even if there's not, things are being covered up by the MSM. Don't let the MSM zing you for overreaching and then use that as an excuse to minimize or ignore the stuff that isn't overreaching.

Here's a zinger for you ...HE IS LYING ...again ...

/and if I need to clarify that ...I am talking about OBAMA

re: #66 DisturbedEma

Um. . .what? Keep quiet and let the MSM talk? Is that it? I am not sure what silence is buying here. . .read the last 2 days worth of threads. . .he is underplaying this at best. .

No no no! I'm just saying that referencing this alleged meeting is overreaching. First because there's no allegation that they discussed successors but rather some vague process and second because the only report of it came from Blogo himself, who is a liar. Focus on the post-election meeting(s) and discussion(s).

re: #80 jaunte

What other pressing political issue would Obama have to discuss with Blagojevich other than the Senate succession?

Drapery?

Chicago Tribune is actually reporting ...wow.

"I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that there is corruption in this state!"
"Here's your payoff, sir."
"Oh, thank you..."

The second city? I think not.

re: #67 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I speak jive!

But do you shuck? :)

Actually, anyone who thinks the O did NOT have discussions w/ the governor would be woefully naive. Of course any senator elected to POTUS would have those discussions, unless, like Massachusetts, the governor does NOT appoint a replacement, but a special election is held. Then again, you cannot blame Obams for thinking that all he has to do is say it never happened, and people will believe him. Look at the election. He is right, for the most part, but I think that honeymoon will come to a screeching halt in the not too distant future. You can fool some of the people some of the time...

re: #87 notutopia

Chicago Tribune is actually reporting ...wow.

They're implicated, so now they have to appear above it all.

lunch!

bbl

re: #66 DisturbedEma "Um. . .what? Keep quiet and let the MSM talk? Is that it? I am not sure what silence is buying here. . .read the last 2 days worth of threads. . .he is underplaying this at best. ."

So when is actual content of these pages relevant to the carping of Chris Matthews, et al?

re: #38 Wyatt Earp

And what exactly, is Rahm Emanuel's involvement in this?

We better find out before he resigns and moves to Israel?

re: #80 jaunte

What other pressing political issue would Obama have to discuss with Blagojevich other than the Senate succession?

"Love your hair."

re: #80 jaunte

What other pressing political issue would Obama have to discuss with Blagojevich other than the Senate succession?

Deep dish pizza? Something Chicago-y like that.

re: #23 LGoPs

What'll be interesting is what Obama does with the US Attorney's when he takes office. Does he fire Fitz or allow him to continue? And more importantly, if he does fire him, what is the media reaction? My jaded mind tells me the reaction is a yawn...

My thoughts are if he does the media may yawn but the cry from the people (even some of his supporters) will hamstring any efforts he makes to enact his agenda...

If this is any indication of what is to come, the next 4 years will be very interesting. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the conservative talk radio folks are going to have not just a field day, but a field 4 years!

re: #75 moogie

What is really becoming fun to watch is how Chris Matthews (who couldn't get enough of Fitzgerald and Scooter Libby) is trying to spin this thing as though it is "no big deal" - and only red meat for the Republicans!
Dream on Chris!

We will see. . .those Fed Window people are pretty queasy about this whole thing. . .just being around a guy this dirty, with fiscal ruin everywhere but at the top of government. . .Dodd, Frank. . .let them eat cake doesn't have a good track record in dealing with a pissed off populace. . .

What if we really got change. . .just not the kind dear leader was after? stuff of day dreams. . .:)

re: #74 Charles

The point is simple -- Obama flatly denied having any discussions with Blagojevich.

Bad sign, not qualified to lead, first thing required is trustworthy, rest of those 12 Scout things would be nice too.

It is going to be a long 4 years.

Tootles! Oh Toootles!

re: #99 Jetpilot1101

If this is any indication of what is to come, the next 4 years will be very interesting. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the conservative talk radio folks are going to have not just a field day, but a field 4 years!

Fairness Doctrine could fix that problem.

re: #87 notutopia

Chicago Tribune is actually reporting ...wow.

Trying to silence a newspaper, even if it is the competition, is going to get their attention.

re: #71 jcm

Media is prepping the cover for Obama... (HT Rush)

Is Illinois Gov. Blagojevich nuts?

He's not nuts. It's pretty typcial for Chicago Machine thugs politicians

John Kass: By Chicago standards, Blagojevich isn't crazy

When it comes to Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D-Dead Meat), many national TV talking heads can't resist playing amateur psychiatrist.

"He's crazy," said one talking head of our governor. "A sociopath!" said another. "He should have been put in a straitjacket, not handcuffs," said a third, all of them diagnosing Blagojevich as cuckoo.

I can see how they arrived at their cockamamie theory. Anyone who read the federal complaint with all the f-bombs in there and watched Blagojevich drive to work on Wednesday morning, the TV crews following his black SUV in a low-speed chase, as if he were some angry Serbian O.J., might think he had lost his marbles.

But is Blagojevich truly cuckoo?

re: #95 Nevergiveup

We better find out before he resigns and moves to Israel?

Will they extradite?

re: #99 Jetpilot1101

If this is any indication of what is to come, the next 4 years will be very interesting. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the conservative talk radio folks are going to have not just a field day, but a field 4 years!

At least until the Fairness Doctrine kicks in.

Anyone else ever have the thought that our fearless leader might be waking up in a cold sweat realizing that he got what he thought he wanted, the Presidency but now realizes that what passes for politics in Illinois, is NOT going to cut it on the national stage ?

"Thank you for the kickback, Fat Tony, but in the future, I would prefer a nondescript briefcase as opposed to a large bag with a dollar sign on it."
/Mayor "Diamond" Joe Quimby

re: #92 Golem Akbar

They're implicated, so now they have to appear above it all.

Actually, they were held up as being a victim of Blago's corruption. Theyve been gunning for him for a while and he went after them.

re: #74 Charles

Who's overreaching? I said this is "more evidence" that they discussed the Senate seat, and it is. I didn't say they discussed successors, you assumed that from what I wrote.

The point is simple -- Obama flatly denied having any discussions with Blagojevich.

Exactly. Why lie if there is nothing to hide?

re: #85 manny

No no no! I'm just saying that referencing this alleged meeting is overreaching. First because there's no allegation that they discussed successors but rather some vague process and second because the only report of it came from Blogo himself, who is a liar. Focus on the post-election meeting(s) and discussion(s).

OMG- really? Ummm- the contested meeting WAS post election, November 5 was the date on the now pulled article so I cannot give you the exact date. . .

re: #109 Davida

Anyone else ever have the thought that our fearless leader might be waking up in a cold sweat realizing that he got what he thought he wanted, the Presidency but now realizes that what passes for politics in Illinois, is NOT going to cut it on the national stage ?

Has any President ever changed his mind? lol

re: #75 moogie

What is really becoming fun to watch is how Chris Matthews (who couldn't get enough of Fitzgerald and Scooter Libby) is trying to spin this thing as though it is "no big deal" - and only red meat for the Republicans!
Dream on Chris!

On the bright side, maybe now he's experiencing numbness - in place of tingles - in his damned leg.

re: #108 Ward Cleaver

At least until the Fairness Doctrine kicks in.

Is that when the balloon goes up?

re: #99 Jetpilot1101

If this is any indication of what is to come, the next 4 years will be very interesting. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the conservative talk radio folks are going to have not just a field day, but a field 4 years!

If they don't get shut down.

Of course, if he was approached for a pay-to-play deal and said NO, he is obligated to report it. Either way, he's now damaged goods.

re: #104 Noam Chumpski

Fairness Doctrine could fix that problem.

They'll try but the fairness doctrine won't pass the constitutionality test. I think there will be so many lawsuits if that gets passed it will make the dems heads spin.

re: #85 manny

No no no! I'm just saying that referencing this alleged meeting is overreaching. First because there's no allegation that they discussed successors but rather some vague process and second because the only report of it came from Blogo himself, who is a liar. Focus on the post-election meeting(s) and discussion(s).

I thought that was what the article Charles linked showed?

Remember that Obama flatly asserted that there was no contact!

re: #102 Ojoe

Bad sign, not qualified to lead, first thing required is trustworthy, rest of those 12 Scout things would be nice too.

It is going to be a long 4 years.

You got that right, especially in dog years.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Hot Air has pics of the meeting...
Depends on how you define “contact”; Update: Blago newsletter photo included

Second photo caption:

Obama: $1 million is way too much. There is no fucking way.

Blago: $1 million is a bargain. I can do anything I fucking want and you know it.

Obama: Oh yeah, well we'll see.

re: #92 Golem Akbar

Well the same thinking goes for both having the press conferences of Jesse Jr. and now Obama to state they are NOT implicated in the pay for play...

re: #97 Occasional Reader

Deep dish pizza? Something Chicago-y like that.

Da Bears!

I did not meet with that Governor, Mr. Blogojevich.

/finger wag.

re: #116 Capitalist Tool

Is that when the balloon goes up?

No, but that's when Talk Radio goes to Podcasting and the Government can no longer stop it. I would 'pay to play' on that.

re: #112 FrogMarch

Exactly. Why lie if there is nothing to hide?

Because lieing is what Obama does best. His whole campaign was a lie, why stop now?

re: #109 Davida

Anyone else ever have the thought that our fearless leader might be waking up in a cold sweat realizing that he got what he thought he wanted, the Presidency but now realizes that what passes for politics in Illinois, is NOT going to cut it on the national stage ?

All the nicest people had his back in Chicago.

re: #119 Jetpilot1101

They'll try but the fairness doctrine won't pass the constitutionality test. I think there will be so many lawsuits if that gets passed it will make the dems heads spin.

Totally agree, but if the Dems can only get Talk Radio off the air for a month or two (or more) then it will do a lot of damage to struggling stations in an economic downturn.

re: #125 Ben Hur

I did not meet with that Governor, Mr. Blogojevich.

/finger wag.

LOVE IT UPding CHA ching!

re: #112 FrogMarch

Exactly. Why lie if there is nothing to hide?

Panic.

re: #46 manny

I have no idea where you are trying to go with that statement.

100 comments in 10 minutes.

re: #124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Da Bears!

Cubs

re: #26 ashan

Uh-oh. The One's halo is starting to looking a little tarnished. Is that a dent I see over on the left? Hmmm.

naw, the halo just leans that way naturally...

and that's not 'tarnish', it's a 'patina'

/nuance

re: #117 The Other Les

If they don't get shut down.

With scandals like the Blago affair (or whatever it'll be called), the dems will be too weakened to pass any legislation.

Pass the popcorn, please.

I have become so jaded and cynical by the bad faith that's evident in everything I see the democrats and the media do that a large part of me wants to pay them back in kind. What I mean in this case is that even if Obama wasn't involved in actually striking a deal - I'm not willing to extend him, or his staff, the benefit of the doubt. I do want technicalities like whether he did actually talk to Blago or not, to be dug into and made an issue of.
The issues between conservatives and liberals stopped being a fair fight a long time ago and it was the libs that made it so. The new rule is - 'there ain't no rules in a knife fight'

Will this be the first time in history that a President is impeached and convicted, BEFORE he even takes office?

re: #25 WitchDoctor

No good can come of this:

1. Even more disillusionment in the political process.

2. Option #1: Ruining the first black president before he has even taken the oath (at which point apparently it will be ok to use his middle name again, or so I've heard).

3. Option #2: Not ruining the first black president precisely because he is the first black president (and (cough) democrat (cough) and therefore immune to criticism.

4. Option #3 Obama had nothing to do with it. Always possible, but I still question how the governor knew the Obama team wouldn't pay him if he hadn't asked...

I got down dinged yesterday afternoon for suggesting the downside of Option 1 made Option 2 seem like the best course for the nation. I was fearful of what chaos might be created by stripping the first black president of his election. I'm still a bit fearful of that but I thought about my position more when I walked the lab last night and think I deserved the down dings.

I believe Obama has probably lied yet I feel that indiscretion alone doesn't warrant stripping him of office. What dawned on me last night is that it won't because he hasn't perjured himself YET, he can always come back and say "I didn't recall" and weasel his way out. But it is looking more and more like this thing runs way deeper than a single lie. So if there is evidence that warrants an indictment, then I'm good with Option 1, the rule of law should be followed regardless of the downside.

re: #121 maddogg

We're all dogs now

Aarf aarf

re: #87 notutopiaI wonder if this can keep them afloat and get them back some readership, actually having to do some solid journalism?

re: #131 DisturbedEma

LOVE IT UPding CHA ching!

Bring the love!

re: #130 Noam Chumpski

Totally agree, but if the Dems can only get Talk Radio off the air for a month or two (or more) then it will do a lot of damage to struggling stations in an economic downturn.

Good point. It looks like the economy is really going to go into the tank after tomorrow when the Senate doesn't pass the big 3 bailout bill. Markets will tank and keep on going.

re: #133 Erik The Red

I have no idea where you are trying to go with that statement.

into Cogworld, of course. . .there is only information, no facts, and do nto get me started on assumptions. . .:)

re: #126 Noam Chumpski

No, but that's when Talk Radio goes to Podcasting and the Government can no longer stop it. I would 'pay to play' on that.

...and for the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, who would be disgusted by such a Gov't. move? Do you think that might not be the straw?

re: #118 Golem Akbar

Of course, if he was approached for a pay-to-play deal and said NO, he is obligated to report it. Either way, he's now damaged goods.

Hence the strong denial by That One. Obama was in on it, as was Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod. You can bet on it. The question isn't whether they were going to pay Blagojevich for the Senate seat, it was how much. I think Obama and company thought the price Blago wanted was too high, and they tried to play hardball.

re: #115 Daisy

On the bright side, maybe now he's experiencing numbness - in place of tingles - in his damned leg.

Chrissy has numbness alright. Starts at the neck and works up...

re: #143 Ben Hur

Bring the love!

xxxooo :)

re: #144 Jetpilot1101

Good point. It looks like the economy is really going to go into the tank after tomorrow when the Senate doesn't pass the big 3 bailout bill. Markets will tank and keep on going.

Buy, buy, buy. ;)

I wish Obama would make a pledge not to raise Capital Gains tax... that would help a little.

re: #99 Jetpilot1101

fairness doctrine might kill that... unfortunately

re: #139 zombie

Will this be the first time in history that a President is impeached and convicted, BEFORE he even takes office?

Doubtful. I don't think Obama will be hurt by these events.
Who will bring charges? The Democrat controlled House?

re: #139 zombie

Will this be the first time in history that a President is impeached and convicted, BEFORE he even takes office?

Hope! Change! Could become meaningful, after all ...

re: #128 Jetpilot1101

Because lieing is what Obama does best. His whole campaign was a lie, why stop now?

While the media were digging in through trash cans in Alaska, the media gave constant "Editorial support" to their chosen One. Obama is certainly used to the help, cover, and "editorial support" he received. Makes for easy lying.

re: #15 Noam Chumpski

Because we are the first group of posters, does that mean that we are also the people who never read the articles? lol

We are the speed-readers.

My green plus finger is getting tired!

;-)

Obama: Hello Bill? I have one more job for you.

Ayers: Anything for you Barrack.

re: #139 zombie

Will this be the first time in history that a President is impeached and convicted, BEFORE he even takes office?

Hey, he promised us Change. Maybe we simply read the wrong things into his words.

re: #139 zombie

Will this be the first time in history that a President is impeached and convicted, BEFORE he even takes office?

I honestly hope it doesn't happen. We need some stability, and we sure don't need a President Biden as our leader.

Mounting evidence next President of the United States of America is a f'n liar?

/Pacers lost again?! The outrage, they should be playing much better!

What I don't understand is why Obama would lie. It's perfectly okay for him to meet with Blago to discuss the Senate seat. What's so hard about saying, "Yeah, we met, but he never said anything about selling the seat to the highest bidder. I'm shocked and appalled and he should resign immediately?" Unless it was recorded, Obama gets off scot free.

Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are.

re: #139 zombie

Will this be the first time in history that a President is impeached and convicted, BEFORE he even takes office?

He's doing the hokie pokie...

re: #140 turn

the rule of law should be followed regardless of the downside.

Yes it should, the result is worse.

The Romans, very practical people, knew this.

re: #152 rawmuse

Doubtful. I don't think Obama will be hurt by these events.
Who will bring charges? The Democrat controlled House?

If there is evidence he was involved, and yet they don't impeach him, then they'll ALL be damaged goods.

Let the scandal spread, and contaminate them all.

re: #139 zombie

Will this be the first time in history that a President is impeached and convicted, BEFORE he even takes office?

There is NO way Obama would have said anything to Bloggo that would implicate himself in this affair.

re: #146 Capitalist Tool

...and for the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, who would be disgusted by such a Gov't. move? Do you think that might not be the straw?

I can say for myself and my girlfriend that the attempt or passage of the Fairness Doctrine is the only thing I can think of that would motivate me to drive to Washington and protest.

It would be a heck of a final straw for me.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Hot Air has pics of the meeting...
Depends on how you define “contact”; Update: Blago newsletter photo included

Wow. I can channel their voices from the second pic:

O, "How much can we make off of my now open senate seat?"

B, "You name the price, Jessee Sr. will pay anything to get lil Jackson in the seat, especially after that 'cut your nuts off' thing on camera. He owes you big, we cut it 50/50 down the middles... capeesh?"

/

re: #107 Wyatt Earp

Will they extradite?

Well I was just kidding, but Israel will pretty much do anything the US asks after the appropriate amount of protesting. Also I believe Israel and the USA do have extradition treaties anyhow.

re: #163 Right mind left

He's doing the hokie pokie...

And maybe that is what it's all about...

re: #142 Marvo76

Journalism? I think they would all sell their souls with the stories to get back on their financial feet.
Sluts!

Patricia Blagojevich's Family Rallies to Her Defense

Patricia Blagojevich's father, sister and brother are refuting the foul-mouthed portrait that's been drawn of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's wife since his arrest, saying the first lady has been living in a pressure cooker.

Chicago Alderman Dick Mell, state Representative-elect Deborah Mell and Rich Mell told the Chicago Sun-Times and NBC5 in an exclusive interview Wednesday that profanity-laced comments recorded by federal prosecutors don't reflect who Patricia Blagojevich really is.

"That is absolutely not my sister," Deborah Mell said. "Patti is a mother, a sister and a devoted wife.

"She is particularly protective of her family."

I see the whole family's a part of the Machine.

re: #20 Pyrocles

The truth hasn't hurt Obama yet. I doubt it will start now.

Now, that's worth an upding. ROFL

re: #150 Noam Chumpski

Buy, buy, buy. ;)

I wish Obama would make a pledge not to raise Capital Gains tax... that would help a little.

I am waiting on the sidelines. I don't see the market bottoming until it hits 6000. The last two weeks are nothing but traders propping this up. When those goys start heading for the exits, watch out below. Couple that with the big 3 (actually Ford might be OK) failing and we got a good old fashioned depression.

re: #130 Noam Chumpski

Totally agree, but if the Dems can only get Talk Radio off the air for a month or two (or more) then it will do a lot of damage to struggling stations in an economic downturn.

With something like that, I would think the radio stations could get an immediate injunction allowing them to stay on the air until the appeals process works its way through the courts.

BTW, has there been any talk of a lizard meet-up for December? This week is the second Sunday, but I know people are busy this time of year.

It's impossible that Obama knew anything about this. He was just a boy when Blago was born.

/

Everyone is reporting from the original Axelrod error.

The media is a giant echo chamber. We have seen this sort of thing before.

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

There is NO way Obama would have said anything to Bloggo that would implicate himself in this affair.

Theoretically, yes.

re: #159 Golem Akbar

I honestly hope it doesn't happen. We need some stability, and we sure don't need a President Biden as our leader.

I would love it. Biden (gaffe machine central), is actually more qualified.
Obama's only qualifications: (1) the media adore him blindly, (2) he was incubated inside the corrupt Chicago political machine. Not good enough.

Maybe I'm stoopid, but I just can't see one good apple coming out of a barrel of rotten ones.

re: #175 Jetpilot1101

I am waiting on the sidelines. I don't see the market bottoming until it hits 6000. The last two weeks are nothing but traders propping this up. When those goys start heading for the exits, watch out below. Couple that with the big 3 (actually Ford might be OK) failing and we got a good old fashioned depression.

Whoa, what's with the ethnic slurs here?
/

re: #170 Nevergiveup

Well I was just kidding, but Israel will pretty much do anything the US asks after the appropriate amount of protesting. Also I believe Israel and the USA do have extradition treaties anyhow.

I was kidding, too. I'm sure they'd extradite. :)

re: #143 Ben Hur

Bring the love!

You're such a dingwhore.

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

There is NO way Obama would have said anything to Bloggo that would implicate himself in this affair.

How do you know? Do you have evidence for what was said in their conversation[s]?

Or do you just mean, on general priniciples it's unlikely he would have said anything.

re: #171 Golem Akbar

And maybe that is what it's all about...

Shakedown, over the line, almost in the Oval Office...and you turn yourself around...or get reformed, there are SO many ways to sing this one!

(ask Rezco? :))

re: #176 doppelganglander

With something like that, I would think the radio stations could get an immediate injunction allowing them to stay on the air until the appeals process works its way through the courts.

BTW, has there been any talk of a lizard meet-up for December? This week is the second Sunday, but I know people are busy this time of year.

An injunction would be very nice.

I can say for myself that December's not going to be an easy meet-up month. Should we go ahead and just plan for a early January meet?

re: #182 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Whoa, what's with the ethnic slurs here?
/

PIMF I meant GUYS.

re: #166 zombie

Democrats are not held to the same standards as Republicans. In the Senate, there sits a former high officer of the KKK, and a man who let a woman drown in his car. They serve to this day.

re: #184 Occasional Reader

You're such a dingwhore.

Better ding, than dong.

re: #168 Noam Chumpski

I can say for myself and my girlfriend that the attempt or passage of the Fairness Doctrine is the only thing I can think of that would motivate me to drive to Washington and protest.

It would be a heck of a final straw for me.

"Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear.

re: #175 Jetpilot1101

I am waiting on the sidelines. I don't see the market bottoming until it hits 6000. The last two weeks are nothing but traders propping this up. When those goys start heading for the exits, watch out below. Couple that with the big 3 (actually Ford might be OK) failing and we got a good old fashioned depression.

Yeppers.

Garlic Head is about to learn the first rule in salesmanship

Do not raise expectations only to dash them.

My prediction - it will come out that Obama did meet with Blago, Obama will say that he misspoke. End of story. Obama said he didn't do anything wrong so it must be true.

re: #164 Ojoe

"The other result is worse.

PIMF

How do you know when Barry's lying- he's flat out denying something. Pretty soon, he'll be able to do it Slick Willy style-- while pointing his finger at the camera (and feigning anger for rhetorical effect).

re: #173 jorline

Patricia Blagojevich's Family Rallies to Her Defense

I see the whole family's a part of the Machine.

The Machine has several dynasties within it: Daley, Mell, Stroger, Beavers. It's a multigenerational thing.

bbl

re: #190 rawmuse

Democrats are not held to the same standards as Republicans. In the Senate, there sits a former high officer of the KKK, and a man who let a woman drown in his car. They serve to this day.

You mean the democrat who drove drunk off a bridge and then failed to report the crime for over 24 hours?

There will be some tut-tutting and this story will go to the ash-heap. Teflon.

re: #191 Ben Hur

Better ding, than dongDUNG.

fixed.

re: #139 zombie

Zombie, Do we really have that much confidence in our judicial system to carry this investigation out completely through the ranks... if he is guilty or implicated of selling his seat to the highest bidder...even if the money was to be forwarded to the democrat party...
Not with a democratic house majority...No.

re: #159 Golem Akbar

I honestly hope it doesn't happen. We need some stability, and we sure don't need a President Biden as our leader.

On the other hand, his restless mouth syndrome would be a refreshing way to bring the Left down - back where they belong. Obama's a professional and accomplished liar .. Biden is a liar .. but he's also an idiot.

re: #161 doppelganglander

What I don't understand is why Obama would lie. It's perfectly okay for him to meet with Blago to discuss the Senate seat. What's so hard about saying, "Yeah, we met, but he never said anything about selling the seat to the highest bidder. I'm shocked and appalled and he should resign immediately?" Unless it was recorded, Obama gets off scot free.

You're right, it doesn't make any sense to lie. It's just plain stupid, he's setting himself up to get nailed on perjury. It's so stupid you have to wonder, there must be something much more devastating to him lying beneath all this.

re: #195 Iron Fist

Everyone knew Clinton was guilty, but they didn't remove him. He just hung on tight, and they let him slide. What's a little obstruction of justice between friends, right?

It wasn't for lack of trying in the House. They impeached him. The Senate balked.

Can't a guy just eat his waffle?

re: #191 Ben Hur

Better ding, than dong.

Don't confuse dinging with "love". Do that, and before you know it you'll be picking up someone's dirty socks, wondering what went wrong.

re: #192 Capitalist Tool

"Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear.

That has a ring of "Trust me" to it that convinced to buy 400 additional rounds of 7.62 this month.

re: #187 Right mind left

Shakedown, over the line, almost in the Oval Office...and you turn yourself around...or get reformed, there are SO many ways to sing this one!

(ask Rezco? :))

Tony Rezko, the speaker of the slam?

re: #161 doppelganglander

What I don't understand is why Obama would lie. It's perfectly okay for him to meet with Blago to discuss the Senate seat. What's so hard about saying, "Yeah, we met, but he never said anything about selling the seat to the highest bidder. I'm shocked and appalled and he should resign immediately?" Unless it was recorded, Obama gets off scot free.

except that not be all they talked about, and the dollar figures may still be ringing in his ears!

I don't think this discrepancy is going to get any traction, even if Obama has spoken to Blagwort directly. The tapes exonerate the Dear Leader, that's the spin, and only desperate Republicans want to parlay a discrepancy into a perjury rap. Double standards and media collusion are sooo useful, don't you think?

Do not beleive your lying eyes.

/get down and worship the messiah like a good proggie.

re: #166 zombie

If there is evidence he was involved, and yet they don't impeach him, then they'll ALL be damaged goods.

Let the scandal spread, and contaminate them all.

I can honestly say, barring a photo or video of Barry doing something blatantly, obvious illegal, nothing is going to stop Barry from being sworn in or allow him to be impeached. No one in the government or media wants to be the guy who brings him down and feel the repercussions, personally or to the nation, that would come about.

re: #206 turn

there must be something much more devastating to him lying beneath all this.

Or maybe it is just a small habit.

re: #113 DisturbedEma

"OMG- really? Ummm- the contested meeting WAS post election, November 5 was the date on the now pulled article so I cannot give you the exact date. . ."

Right, but THIS ARTICLE is dated October 30, and references a BS alleged meeting about some alleged "process" which we now know did not occur, sourced to a serial liar, and clearly before the election. This article WILL NOT ADVANCE and WILL DETER inquiries into whether post-election discussions did occur.

re: #188 Noam Chumpski

I can say for myself that December's not going to be an easy meet-up month. Should we go ahead and just plan for a early January meet?

That's probably the best course. I'll email everyone and see what they say.

Considering the power wielded by the Dems and the Bammy-Supporters, someone got mad at Blago for some reason and dropped the dime on him. You can be sure that if he was playing ball, then everything would've been smoothed over.

Note to Bammy people: Watch your step.

re: #186 zombie

How do you know? Do you have evidence for what was said in their conversation[s]?

Or do you just mean, on general priniciples it's unlikely he would have said anything.

I'm saying I don't think the man is so stupid to say anything directly to Bloggo. If anything transpired, it was aids or others or something, someway, that he could use to distance himself.

Otherwise, we got one big idiot for a president coming up here.

re: #203 Right mind left

fixed.

They said you was dung!

re: #166 zombie

Zombie, I'm pretty sure that this will blow over by Inauguration Day. The MSM will NOT pursue a scandal involving the One unless it absolutely cannot be ignored. That's why it's so important to resist the Fairness Doctrine and its bastard offspring, Localism: talk radio and the blogs will lead the way in keeping the Obama administration honest, dragging the MSM kicking and screaming the whole way.

re: #218 doppelganglander

That's probably the best course. I'll email everyone and see what they say.

You go, Girl.

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can honestly say, barring a photo or video of Barry doing something blatantly, obvious illegal, nothing is going to stop Barry from being sworn in or allow him to be impeached. No one in the government or media wants to be the guy who brings him down and feel the repercussions, personally or to the nation, that would come about.

They got the DC Mayor on TV smokin' a crack pipe. And the people elected him again.

re: #195 Iron Fist

Everyone knew Clinton was guilty, but they didn't remove him. He just hung on tight, and they let him slide. What's a little obstruction of justice between friends, right?

That was actually my epiphany moment when I decided I would never, ever vote for a democrat again. The enitire democrat contingent in the senate, en masse, refused to even look at the evidence compiled. That told me all I needed to know - that party came before country. Say what you will about Nixon, it was the Republicans in the Senate that convinced him to resign - for the good of the country...

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

I think you might have forgotten the sarcasim tag on this one LOL

re: #210 Noam Chumpski

That has a ring of "Trust me" to it that convinced to buy 400 additional rounds of 7.62 this month.

You and me both...

re: #211 debutaunt

Tony Rezko, the speaker of the slam?

Slam-I-Am...and Blago's wife worked for him so she should know (I will not eat them in a cell...)

re: #75 moogie

What is really becoming fun to watch is how Chris Matthews (who couldn't get enough of Fitzgerald and Scooter Libby) is trying to spin this thing as though it is "no big deal" - and only red meat for the Republicans!
Dream on Chris!

What do you expect from a guy who wets his pants over The One?

Rush talking about this now.

re: #178 Buck

Everyone is reporting from the original Axelrod error.

The media is a giant echo chamber. We have seen this sort of thing before.

But isn't it interesting that neither Axelrod nor Obama ever tried to correct this "error," despite numerous stories about it, before Blagojevich was arrested.

here we go.
we must suspend all rational thought and accept yet one more obvious lie from the O.
this is so much like O's bs abt, having sat in the rev wright congregation for 20 yrs. and never , ever, heard a single racist word spoken by the hateful s.o.b.
etc. etc. etc.

re: #221 jcm

They said you was dung!

Mighty dung!

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can honestly say, barring a photo or video of Barry doing something blatantly, obvious illegal, nothing is going to stop Barry from being sworn in or allow him to be impeached. No one in the government or media wants to be the guy who brings him down and feel the repercussions, personally or to the nation, that would come about.

I concur. They could have video footage of Obama and Blagojevich in the same bed at the same time with the same woman discussing the senate seat between breaths and it wouldn't make a difference.

re: #178 Buck

Everyone is reporting from the original Axelrod error.

The media is a giant echo chamber. We have seen this sort of thing before.

And the reason we know it's an "error" is because Axelrod said so.

Er, yesterday.

re: #219 father_of_10

Considering the power wielded by the Dems and the Bammy-Supporters, someone got mad at Blago for some reason and dropped the dime on him. You can be sure that if he was playing ball, then everything would've been smoothed over.

Note to Bammy people: Watch your step.

George Soros - you listening up?

re: #68 loppyd

He's got something on someone - that's for sure. And don't forget that Rezko is signing like a bird while all of this is going down.

I didn't know birds knew sign language. : )

re: #6 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt - gotta say what a GREAT comment that was - and apparently 19 other lizards agreed with me!
Wonder if that can be made into a rotating title?

re: #84 JacksonTn

Here's a zinger for you ...HE IS LYING ...again ...

/and if I need to clarify that ...I am talking about OBAMA

Can you blame him? I mean come on, it worked GREAT during the campaign...

Axelrod gives me the creeps. He reminds me of the mob.

re: #199 Honorary Yooper

The Machine has several dynasties within it: Daley, Mell, Stroger, Beavers. It's a multigenerational thing.

I'm learning more and more. I didn't know she came from a family of politicians.

Things could be worse...they could live in Ohio and have secret background checks run on them for being in the news.

re: #192 Capitalist Tool

"Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear.

The catch is, after Obama and his cronys get done massaging those "reasonable laws" I and many Lizards will become instant felons.

re: #232 Charles

talk about the dog that didn't bark... until it was convenient, after the fact

re: #233 nyc redneck

here we go.
we must suspend all rational thought and accept yet one more obvious lie from the O.
this is so much like O's bs abt, having sat in the rev wright congregation for 20 yrs. and never , ever, heard a single racist word spoken by the hateful s.o.b.
etc. etc. etc.

Yeah and Rev. Wright doesn't know his history either. He thinks December 7th was when we bombed Hiroshima. The guy is a complete buffoon and Obama listened in rapt attention. It explains a lot of Obama's historical gaffes.

All bow before skin color

re: #24 JacksonTn

That second photo is ...well ...PRICELESS ..

It is priceless, AND I wish there were some way to date it. As the story mentioned, it is an undated photo. But...

re: #209 Occasional Reader

No that's doink doinking...

"We've had some discussions..."

Who's the "We" Rod? You and your staff?

You and Obama?

Your staff and Obama's staff?

Like I've been saying from the outset, I think Fitzgerald will start issuing subpoenas on everyone surrounding both Obama and Blagojavich to find out who's telling the truth, who will be sucked into a perjury trap, and whether any additional criminality is present.

If Blago and Obama keep spinning they had no contacts or any discussions - the existence of a single call or a single discussion means they're lying. If they're lying under oath, that's perjury. If they're lying to investigators, that's obstruction of justice.

Either way, Merry Fitzmas Chicago! It's just not the Fitzmas they were looking for.

re: #175 Jetpilot1101

I am waiting on the sidelines. I don't see the market bottoming until it hits 6000. The last two weeks are nothing but traders propping this up. When those goys start heading for the exits, watch out below. Couple that with the big 3 (actually Ford might be OK) failing and we got a good old fashioned depression.

Federal program insuring mortgages? Bring out the list of abusers on that and you probably wouldn't need any of that stuff to happen before your prediction comes true?

Also there is evidence that Ayers was more then just a guy in the neighborhood.

Also there is the fact that Obama sat in Wright's church while hate was being indoctrinated.

It doesn't matter.

Obama is above it all.

In fact, know who is the hero who was indispensable to outing Blagojevich? You got it, Obama according to the NY Times.

In a sequence of events that neatly captures the contradictions of Barack Obama’s rise through Illinois politics, a phone call he made three months ago to urge passage of a state ethics bill indirectly contributed to the downfall of a fellow Democrat he twice supported, Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich.

Mr. Obama placed the call to his political mentor, Emil Jones Jr., president of the Illinois Senate.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

It's a new time in America boys and girls. We have entered the era of Soviet style truth where the Leader is perfect, beyond reproach, and what he says is gospel.

re: #164 Ojoe

re: #164 Ojoe

Did I tell you I enjoy LGF because there are some really smart people here? I learn something every day, many times the importance of upholding ones values and abiding by the rule of law. Another thing I learned yesterday is Disturbedema is a CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR and I was suggesting looking the other way on the law. Ha!

NObama lie? Say it ain't true. Say it ain't true. So Obambi isn't the messiah. Obambi has feet of clay and in many ways is much like his Chicago machine political mentors . Disgusting, but expected.

Obama, honesty is the only policy and you're losing credibility every time you get caught in a lie. This is even before you are seated as President. I fully expect your administration to be the most crooked since Grant's.

re: #227 jcm

You and me both...

Hey, JCM...I'll vouch for you & yours on the island here if you'll bring your ammo! It's a nice, defensible place, Whidbey. Think about it.

Here it comes..."Well, uh,uh,uh, I'd, uh, like to, uhhh, clarify and make it, uh, perfectly clear that, uh, we, uh,uh,uh, I, what I meant, and I want to be absolutely certain that I, he, we, they were mistaken..."

Uhuh...

re: #232 Charles

But isn't it interesting that neither Axelrod nor Obama ever tried to correct this "error," despite numerous stories about it, before Blagojevich was arrested.

It's typical Chicago Machine CYA, Charles. King Richard II does this crap all the time. One of his underlings is caught, and he's the first the deny ever knowing the guy. Obama's learned from the Teflon Don of Chicago how to obfuscate and deny. He's just not as good at it as Mayor Shortshanks.

re: #235 Oh no...Sand People!

I concur. They could have video footage of Obama and Blagojevich in the same bed at the same time with the same woman discussing the senate seat between breaths and it wouldn't make a difference.

The woman would have to wind up dead and be a hooker and then maybe there might be an investigation.

re: #252 turn

That was supposed to be Iron Fist too turn ...

re: #186 zombie

Do you have evidence for what was said in their conversation[s]?

Blago was caught on tape ranting about how Obama wouldn't play ball. I think Obama is going to come out fine in this.

Stepping out to buy a Christmas tree .. see ya all later.

re: #24 JacksonTn

and it’s worth pointing out that the photo itself is undated.

Therefore it isn't proof that they met!

/Channeling otingoC

re: #159 Golem Akbar

I honestly hope it doesn't happen. We need some stability, and we sure don't need a President Biden as our leader.

he'd be a gutted fish when he took the oath... i'm okay with him as a place holder.

Will our hero's Jedi Mind trick continue to work on the weak minded? Will he keep getting the big pass from the liberal mainstream media? Tune in tomorrow for another action packed exciting episode of All of My President-Elects

re: #241 FrogMarch

Axelrod gives me the creeps. He reminds me of the mob.

The Chicago Machine is a mob. They act like it, they perform like it, and they even get The Outfit to answer to them.

They also deny the Machine even exists. Mayor Daley says the Machine does not exist. La Cosa Nostra also does not exist. And I have an arm growing from my head.

re: #241 FrogMarch

Axelrod gives me the creeps. He reminds me of the mob.

What about Blagojovich? He is an out and out thug. I've never been squeamish about language - spent too many years in the Infantry for that - but his conversations turn me off. I have some standards for public servants - albeit low, but some...

OT

Does anyone know of something you can use to thicken soup (ala cream style) that doesn't add calories (or not many calories).