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1 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:49:50pm

Ritual be danged. It is cold and rainy here in CT with more to come for the weekend.

2 Joan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:50:43pm

When will we see the First Puppy? Bring us the pup. Bring us the cute, fuzzy puppy and shut up about all this nasty scandally stuff.

3 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:50:53pm
4 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:51:07pm

My wife is away and all of a sudden my 3 cats whom in the past did not seem to understand I paid for their upkeep are all over me. Maybe it was that black Forrest ham I just fed them?

5 maddogg  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:51:59pm

It ain't Friday but WTH.

A woman was very distraught at the fact that she had not had a date or any sex in quite some time. She was afraid she might have something wrong with her, so she decided to seek the medical expertise of a sex therapist.

Her doctor recommended that she see the well known Chinese sex therapist Dr. Chang.

So she went to see him. Upon entering the examination room Dr. Chang said, 'OK take off all your crose. The woman did as she was told. 'Now get down and craw reery, reery fass to odderside of room.'
Again the woman did as she was instructed. Dr. Chang then said, 'OK, now craw reery, reery fass back to me.' So she did.
Dr.Chang shook his head slowly and said, 'Your probrem vewy bad. You haf Ed Zachary disease.
Worse case I ever see. Dat why you not haf sex or dates..' Worried the woman asked anxiously 'Oh my God, Dr.Chang, what is Ed Zachary Disease ?'
Dr. Chang sighed deeply and replied, 'Ed Zachary Disease is when your face look Ed Zachary like your ass.'

6 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:52:00pm

re: #1 JohnnyReb

Ritual be danged. It is cold and rainy here in CT with more to come for the weekend.

My daughter is up at URI in RI. Is is icy up there yet?

7 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:52:27pm

What no supertanker?

I'm really disappointed in Charles selection of topics.

I'm beginning to think Charles is anti-supertanker.

///

8 coquimbojoe  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:53:50pm

I have seen over the years the evolution of supertankers with my own eyes...

9 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:53:51pm

re: #5 maddogg

It ain't Friday but WTH.

A woman was very distraught at the fact that she had not had a date or any sex in quite some time. She was afraid she might have something wrong with her, so she decided to seek the medical expertise of a sex therapist.


Her doctor recommended that she see the well known Chinese sex therapist Dr. Chang.

So she went to see him. Upon entering the examination room Dr. Chang said, 'OK take off all your crose. The woman did as she was told. 'Now get down and craw reery, reery fass to odderside of room.'
Again the woman did as she was instructed. Dr. Chang then said, 'OK, now craw reery, reery fass back to me.' So she did.
Dr.Chang shook his head slowly and said, 'Your probrem vewy bad. You haf Ed Zachary disease.
Worse case I ever see. Dat why you not haf sex or dates..' Worried the woman asked anxiously 'Oh my God, Dr.Chang, what is Ed Zachary Disease ?'
Dr. Chang sighed deeply and replied, 'Ed Zachary Disease is when your face look Ed Zachary like your ass.'

*groan*
/

10 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:54:11pm
11 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:54:12pm

re: #7 JCM

What no supertanker?

I'm really disappointed in Charles selection of topics.

I'm beginning to think Charles is anti-supertanker.

///


Theres a photo of the ocean with the supertanker on my screen! Maybe Charles is Anti-JCM ,, ever think THATS it !?!?

12 bulwrk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:54:50pm

re: #7 JCM

What no supertanker?

Afraid of this becoming a pirate thread.

13 davinvalkri  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:54:57pm

Hey Obama! Why don't you take a lesson from this guy?

14 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:55:01pm

re: #1 JohnnyReb

Ritual be danged. It is cold and rainy here in CT with more to come for the weekend.

Same here! Nasty. The dogs will not even go out to pee.

15 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:55:04pm

Jesse Jackson Jr. “I haven’t Met With Rod Blagojevich in 4 years”… Problem is, this video shows otherwise…

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

His dad must be so proud?

16 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:55:55pm

re: #14 CapeCoddah

Same here! Nasty. The dogs will not even go out to pee.

What's wrong the carpets to good for em?

17 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:55:57pm

re: #6 Nevergiveup

My daughter is up at URI in RI. Is is icy up there yet?


Not yet, rain so far. The temps are hovering just above freezing right now. It could change later, but the weather guessers can't say which way the temps will go for tonight.

18 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:02pm

re: #4 Nevergiveup

My wife is away and all of a sudden my 3 cats whom in the past did not seem to understand I paid for their upkeep are all over me. Maybe it was that black Forrest ham I just fed them?

LOL that will do it every time. My two pooches just had cheeseburgers. I got kisses.

19 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:04pm
20 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:04pm

re: #8 coquimbojoe

I have seen over the years the evolution of supertankers with my own eyes...

Hey, Joe! Was thinking last night haven't seen you around in a bit!

How you doing?

21 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:38pm

re: #12 bulwrk

What no supertanker?

Afraid of this becoming a pirate thread.

Mustn't allow the thread to be hijacked!

22 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:43pm

Love Triangle in Dallas: T.O. Jealous of Romo's, Witten's Close Relationship
—Ace

Can the Dallas Cowboys get any more gay?, someone asks.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Go giants!

23 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:44pm
24 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:45pm

re: #15 Nevergiveup

Jesse Jackson Jr. “I haven’t Met With Rod Blagojevich in 4 years”… Problem is, this video shows otherwise…

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

His dad must be so proud?

"Oh ,, you meant THAT Rod Blagojevich" !

25 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:56:55pm

re: #16 Nevergiveup

What's wrong the carpets to good for em?

Hardwood floors.

26 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:57:09pm

The last full moon of 2008 started tonight.

27 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:57:40pm

re: #15 Nevergiveup

Jesse Jackson Jr. “I haven’t Met With Rod Blagojevich in 4 years”… Problem is, this video shows otherwise…

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

His dad must be so proud?

That was Rod Blagojovich? He thought it was John Edwards!

/those white guys with big hair all look alike

28 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:57:57pm
29 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:58:12pm

re: #14 CapeCoddah

Same here! Nasty. The dogs will not even go out to pee.

The wife, dog and cat are all on the couch under the blanket. What a bunch of wusses! The wife is in the middle to prevent any "sibling" issues.

30 moogie  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:58:18pm

Okay - about Obama - I know that everyone is supposed to believe that he is the messiah or something, but no one in his right mind is going to believe that he is the product of a Virgin Birth - since his mother's name is CHICAGO!
Duh!

31 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:58:21pm

re: #22 Nevergiveup

Love Triangle in Dallas: T.O. Jealous of Romo's, Witten's Close Relationship
—Ace

Can the Dallas Cowboys get any more gay?, someone asks.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Go giants!

It must be those gloriously tight pants. I love those.

32 Joan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:58:54pm

re: #2 Joan

When will we see the First Puppy? Bring us the pup. Bring us the cute, fuzzy puppy and shut up about all this nasty scandally stuff.

[Link: www.deltasociety.org...]

33 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:59:11pm

re: #14 CapeCoddah

Same here! Nasty. The dogs will not even go out to pee.

Problem, meet Solution

[Link: www.petsolutions.com...]

34 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:59:26pm

re: #4 Nevergiveup

My wife is away and all of a sudden my 3 cats whom in the past did not seem to understand I paid for their upkeep are all over me. Maybe it was that black Forrest ham I just fed them?

Hi I'm Dustyvet's cat Tiger >^..^< would you please send me some ham?

35 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:59:48pm

Rituals! Where are my bongo drums...

36 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 3:59:51pm

re: #15 Nevergiveup

Jesse Jackson Jr. “I haven’t Met With Rod Blagojevich in 4 years”… Problem is, this video shows otherwise…

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

His dad must be so proud?

Great Catch!

37 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:00:07pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

Problem, meet Solution

[Link: www.petsolutions.com...]

That is just so wrong on so many levels.

38 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:00:31pm

re: #29 JohnnyReb

The wife, dog and cat are all on the couch under the blanket. What a bunch of wusses! The wife is in the middle to prevent any "sibling" issues.

We are about to get a cat. My daughter, granddaughter and their kitten are moving back in... My cattle dog loves cats, not sure about the mastiff, who is afraid of everything. He will either hide from it, or eat it.

39 bosforus  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:00:33pm
40 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:00:55pm

too bad we can't see it on the east coast
:>( re: #26 Thanos

The last full moon of 2008 started tonight.

41 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:01:19pm

re: #36 VegasRick

Great Catch!

The River Nile has now been moved to Illinois.

42 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:01:37pm

re: #37 JohnnyReb

That is just so wrong on so many levels.

yeah ,, lets do the math

DOGGY DIAPER... $10.99

REPLACE ROOM CARPET ,,,$600.00

REPLACE HARDWOOD FLOOR ,,$5,000

43 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:01:37pm

re: #40 apachegunner

too bad we can't see it on the east coast
:>(


Yeah, just went down here as well.

44 bosforus  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:01:43pm

re: #38 CapeCoddah

We are about to get a cat. My daughter, granddaughter and their kitten are moving back in... My cattle dog loves cats, not sure about the mastiff, who is afraid of everything. He will either hide from it, or eat it.

Just be sure not to get technician cat.
[ok, last lolcat link, I swear]

45 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:02:35pm

re: #41 Dustyvet

The River Nile has now been moved to Illinois.

We have Da Bears...and we now have denial

46 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:02:48pm

re: #34 Dustyvet

Hi I'm Dustyvet's cat Tiger >^..^< would you please send me some ham?

First, make us laugh out loud...

47 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:02:49pm

01:23 Kerry: Difference between Obama, Bush on climate change `like night and day` (AP)

Was it snowing in New Orleans today?

48 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:02:49pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

Problem, meet Solution

[Link: www.petsolutions.com...]

Thanks for the thought, but, I can tell you with 100% certainty, NOT GONNA HAPPEN. My diaper days are over. (until more grandchildren come along). They have sweaters,monogrammed coats, raincoats and hiking booties. They are all set to pee in the rain!

49 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:03:08pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

Problem, meet Solution

[Link: www.petsolutions.com...]

That cairn terrier looks so f-ing miserable wearing that...

50 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:03:34pm

re: #31 CapeCoddah

It must be those gloriously tight pants. I love those.

ESPN is saying that the friction is mounting.

51 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:03:37pm

re: #38 CapeCoddah

We are about to get a cat. My daughter, granddaughter and their kitten are moving back in... My cattle dog loves cats, not sure about the mastiff, who is afraid of everything. He will either hide from it, or eat it.


My wife's dog thinks cats (and small dogs) are chew toys. But I have to give credit to the cat. We have had a very rainy year and we live very close to a river and that means rats. That cat will go out and kill the river rats that come near here. Problem is he leaves them on the back deck.

52 Catttt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:03:59pm

re: #37 JohnnyReb

That is just so wrong on so many levels.

Dogs will put up with any humiliation, because they are sycophants.

53 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:04:10pm

re: #45 Dustyvet

We have Da Bears...and we now have denial

Da Bulls!

54 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:04:33pm

re: #48 CapeCoddah

Thanks for the thought, but, I can tell you with 100% certainty, NOT GONNA HAPPEN. My diaper days are over. (until more grandchildren come along). They have sweaters,monogrammed coats, raincoats and hiking booties. They are all set to pee in the rain!

I hear that. Mine has a better wordrobe than I do also, thanks to the wife

PLUS ,,, a costom bed (with his name woodcarved into it,,, NOT that he ever actually sleeps in it)

55 father_of_10  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:04:57pm

I finally found out how to definitively explain the Bail Out:

Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10 each.
The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them.
The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort. He next announced that he would now buy monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again.
Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch it!
The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However,since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: "Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each."
The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for 700 billion dollars.
They never saw the man or his assistant again, only lots and lots of monkeys!
Now you have a better understanding of how the
WALL STREET BAILOUT PLAN
WILL WORK !

It doesn't get much clearer than this...

56 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:05:14pm

re: #49 Bloodnok

That cairn terrier looks so f-ing miserable wearing that...

I'll bet the cairn terriers owner looked worse trying to put it on the dog !

57 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:05:25pm

re: #54 sattv4u2
our sheltie has a custom bed too. Mine!

58 Catttt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:05:33pm

re: #51 JohnnyReb

My wife's dog thinks cats (and small dogs) are chew toys. But I have to give credit to the cat. We have had a very rainy year and we live very close to a river and that means rats. That cat will go out and kill the river rats that come near here. Problem is he leaves them on the back deck.

As you well know, the cat is giving you presents. Good kitty. :D My Siamese tried to teach me to mouse by dropping mice (live) in my bed.

59 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:05:35pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

yeah ,, lets do the math

DOGGY DIAPER... $10.99

REPLACE ROOM CARPET ,,,$600.00

REPLACE HARDWOOD FLOOR ,,$5,000

They don't really ever have accidents, unless they are sick and cannot make it. They will go when it gets to the critical level.

60 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:05:36pm

re: #22 Nevergiveup

Love Triangle in Dallas: T.O. Jealous of Romo's, Witten's Close Relationship
—Ace

Can the Dallas Cowboys get any more gay?, someone asks.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Go giants!

weak...Manning wears a diaper during the games

61 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:06:41pm

re: #59 CapeCoddah

They don't really ever have accidents, unless they are sick and cannot make it. They will go when it gets to the critical level.

The love of a good and faithful K-9...PRICELESS!

62 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:06:49pm

re: #30 moogie

Did you say Chicago?

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:07:06pm

Powell: Palin needs to stop polarizing the party by talking up small-town values

AP put this clip up to let Hot Air readers rant but I think Powell is right.

64 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:07:36pm

re: #62 Sharmuta

Did you say Chicago?

I want that guy...really bad...quit posting that!

65 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:07:45pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

yeah ,, lets do the math

DOGGY DIAPER... $10.99

REPLACE ROOM CARPET ,,,$600.00

REPLACE HARDWOOD FLOOR ,,$5,000

Good point. We had the big dog hind end sickness one day, say no more! And I had to pull the carpet out and have the hardwood floor refinished that was underneath the carpet. About $1,000 all told and I did most of the work myself.

66 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:08:13pm

re: #50 VegasRick

ESPN is saying that the friction is mounting.

LOL. I bet...

67 legalpad  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:08:40pm

Every ritual needs a good bonfire -

68 Catttt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:08:57pm

Don't know about dogs, but this stuff works wonders on cats:
Comfort Zone With Feliway For Cats & Kittens Plug In

69 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:09:36pm

re: #57 apachegunner

our sheltie has a custom bed too. Mine!

HA, take a look at my avatar, and be grateful you have 1 little sheltie. They BOTH sleep with us, and they have no shame about hogging every inch of space they can manage.

70 jwb7605  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:09:56pm

Hannity without Skeletor?

I've been not watching for so long that I just found out about this on Drudge.

71 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:10:27pm

re: #69 CapeCoddah

HA, take a look at my avatar, and be grateful you have 1 little sheltie. They BOTH sleep with us, and they have no shame about hogging every inch of space they can manage.


well, I sure wouldn't argue with them either.

72 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:10:39pm

re: #26 Thanos

The last full moon of 2008 started tonight.

I guess that explains the previous thread.

73 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:10:52pm

re: #70 jwb7605

Hannity without Skeletor?

I've been not watching for so long that I just found out about this on Drudge.

was announced about 10-14 days ago, IIRC

74 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:10:56pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Powell is a toad. An ass kisser.

75 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:11:00pm

re: #51 JohnnyReb

I have not had a cat since I was a kid. He used to bring me presents in the form of dead birds left under my bed. The trail of feathers always started at the stairs to my basement bedroom.

76 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:12:00pm

re: #74 rawmuse

Powell is a toad. An ass kisser.


I met Powell once, wasn't impressed a bit.

77 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:12:02pm

moonrise over the Sandias at sunset is a sight to behold...I pity those who have never witnessed this phenom...pity...

78 bosforus  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:12:33pm

re: #68 Cattt

Don't know about dogs, but this stuff works wonders on cats:
Comfort Zone With Feliway For Cats & Kittens Plug In

This works pretty well on cats too.

79 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:12:50pm

re: #74 rawmuse

Powell is a toad. An ass kisser.

C'mon, give the guy a break, his ancestors came here in chains dontch know!

80 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:13:23pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Powell: Palin needs to stop polarizing the party by talking up small-town values

AP put this clip up to let Hot Air readers rant but I think Powell is right.

Having liveed most of my life in big cities (Boston, Atlanta, New York, Denver) and having lived the past 10 years in a small town outside of Atlanta (plus a few years here and there in other small towns) I agree with Palins point. Perhaps her delivery of the point needs improvemnet, but the point itself is worth note

81 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:13:30pm

re: #76 apachegunner

I know him better than most here. The guy has been out of the loop, and he does not care who he has to go down on to get back in on the dinner party circuit. I've got zero respect for him, none.

82 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:13:40pm

re: #41 Dustyvet

The River Nile has now been moved to Illinois.

Well, they do have Cairo.

83 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:14:00pm

re: #80 sattv4u2
it's a "small town" delivery

84 BakaRanger  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:14:28pm

I don't know if I believe Jesse Jackson's Jr. explanation of events surrounding Gov Blago, not once did he rhyme anything!

85 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:15:23pm

Iraqi Official: Iraq may need US troops for decade
Published: 12.11.08, 23:21 / Israel News
Iraq will need a US troop presence to help build up its military forces past the newly agreed three-year deadline for the withdrawal of American soldiers, a senior Iraqi official said on Thursday.

Ali al-Dabbagh, spokesman for the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, said some U.S. forces could be needed for 10 years but told reporters that the terms of any extended presence would be negotiated between the next Iraqi and US governments. (Reuters)

DAH! You think?

86 poopeedoo  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:15:30pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

I thought it was going to be a youtube link for the Boston song, Smokin

87 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:15:50pm

re: #71 apachegunner

well, I sure wouldn't argue with them either.

The little one WILL defend her (my) pillow space. I used to wake up to my husbands face, now, it is usually a cold, wet, nose I see first thing. I miss my husband in the morning!

88 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:16:21pm

re: #75 CapeCoddah

I have not had a cat since I was a kid. He used to bring me presents in the form of dead birds left under my bed. The trail of feathers always started at the stairs to my basement bedroom.

I truthfully don't mind the presents. The problem is he brings them in during the dead of night and they attract all sorts of wildlife. Skunks, Raccoons, Fisher Cats, Coyotes, etc. And that drives the dog mad. He is an Akita and when he hears something on or near the back deck he goes crazy. He has got skunk killing down to an art. The last few he killed he has not even got sprayed. He sort of does the Ninja thing on them, rips them to bits and leaves the carcass. BUT, I have to clean the stinky mess up.

89 No. Just, no.  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:16:21pm

Well, there are those who think that the members of my religion will go to hell. And I am here to admit that this weekend, I will be doing exactly that.

Hell, in this case, will be a Toys R Us, on a Saturday, in December.

I will be the woman with glassy eyes, wandering around the aisles, looking at lots of pieces of identical plastic, muttering, "This is all exactly like the stuff they don't play with now. I don't wanna pick this up."

90 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:16:25pm

re: #86 poopeedoo
ahhh, love Boston, great group

91 Catttt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:16:30pm

I feel like an Amazon shill, but my cats love these items:

Petsafe Heated Wellness Sleeperre: #78 bosforus

This works pretty well on cats too.

Lol. My cats would eat that critter for a snack. They chased a German Shepard off the patio a while back.

92 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:16:41pm

I made a new lolcat.

93 bosforus  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:16:51pm

OK fellers, I'm outta here. Enjoy your Friday, your weekend, and everything in between. Peace!

94 poopeedoo  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:17:21pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

yeah ,, lets do the math

DOGGY DIAPER... $10.99

REPLACE ROOM CARPET ,,,$600.00

REPLACE HARDWOOD FLOOR ,,$5,000

REPLACE the dogs... Priceless!

95 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:17:22pm

re: #87 CapeCoddah
great time for a little doggy kiss. makes for a happy dog

96 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:17:30pm

re: #81 rawmuse

I know him better than most here. The guy has been out of the loop, and he does not care who he has to go down on to get back in on the dinner party circuit. I've got zero respect for him, none.

dude needs to watch 'Cool Runnings' again...get back to his roots

97 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:18:19pm

An Afghani refugee is here in the US and doesn't feel well so he goes to see the doctor.
The first doctor finds nothing wrong but the condition persists and the Afghani goes to another doctor. Same result.
Finally in desperation he goes to see an old Jewish doctor.
The doctor immmediately recognizes the problem and instructs the man to do the following:
1) Go home and defecate and urinate in a bucket.
2) Sit over the bucket with a towel draped over the head
3) Inhale deeply.
4) Come back and see me in 2 days.
The man goes home, follows the remedy and amazingly feels better.
He returns to the doctor and gratefully asks him what the problem was.
The doctor replies "You were homesick"

98 Catttt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:18:26pm

My browser crashed. Here is the other thing my cats love - you can get them at Target, and they are cheap and durable:

Cat chaise
My domestic shorthair sleeps on one a lot. My Siamese sleeps in the heated wellness sleeper.

99 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:19:05pm

re: #70 jwb7605

Hannity without Skeletor?

I've been not watching for so long that I just found out about this on Drudge.

Well, he could always look for a replacement.
Here's a list of He-Man's foes to get started. All we have to do is pin the name to the liberal.

Beast Man
Clawful
Evil-Lyn
Faker
Fang Man
Icer
Jitsu
Kobra Khan
Mer-Man
Modulok
Panthor
Spikor
Strongarm
Trap Jaw
Tri-Klops
Two-Bad
Webstor
Whiplash

100 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:19:47pm

re: #88 JohnnyReb

I truthfully don't mind the presents. The problem is he brings them in during the dead of night and they attract all sorts of wildlife. Skunks, Raccoons, Fisher Cats, Coyotes, etc. And that drives the dog mad. He is an Akita and when he hears something on or near the back deck he goes crazy. He has got skunk killing down to an art. The last few he killed he has not even got sprayed. He sort of does the Ninja thing on them, rips them to bits and leaves the carcass. BUT, I have to clean the stinky mess up.

I hated those presents. Loved the cat, but hated the dead birds. My pooches chase squirrels, but have never caught one, except for one time, my cattledog, who had been chasing them futilely for years, stumbled across a recently dead one a couple of years ago. She came out of the woods with a dead squirrel, stiff as a board in her mouth. She was SOOO proud to have finally caught one...It was disgusting.

101 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:05pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

I made a new lolcat.

Seasonally appropriate!

102 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:14pm

re: #7 JCM

What no supertanker?

I'm really disappointed in Charles selection of topics.

I'm beginning to think Charles is anti-supertanker.

///

No, no, they are all parked off the beach in Somalia.

103 Joan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:26pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

I made a new lolcat.

I can't ever think up anything to caption
I can't learn LOLspeak
Fail.

104 callahan23  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:28pm

re: #13 davinvalkri

Hey Obama! Why don't you take a lesson from this guy?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Very similar to this one.

105 Rancher  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:33pm

Time to pimp my blog. The Chicago Way.

106 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:34pm

re: #94 poopeedoo

REPLACE the dogs... Priceless!

I would replace the house before I replaced my dogs.

107 poopeedoo  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:36pm

re: #100 CapeCoddah

Cute story!

108 bosforus  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:53pm

re: #99 CyanSnowHawk

Don't forget about Moss Man!

109 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:20:54pm

re: #102 A Kiwi Infidel

No, no, they are all parked off the beach in Somalia.

Is that tanker still being held?

110 stuiec  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:21:02pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Powell: Palin needs to stop polarizing the party by talking up small-town values

AP put this clip up to let Hot Air readers rant but I think Powell is right.

Not sure how it was unifying for the Party for Powell to endorse Obama over the Party's candidate. Or is he referring to the Democrat Party?

It would sure be nice to see some small-town values in places like Chicago, where big-city values seem to be pretty anti-citizen and pro-corrupt politician.

111 jwb7605  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:21:16pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

I made a new lolcat.

I passed the link to appropriate people.
Nice!

112 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:21:17pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Powell: Palin needs to stop polarizing the party by talking up small-town values

AP put this clip up to let Hot Air readers rant but I think Powell is right.

Powell's full of it.

Gov. Palin, to some extent, pushed the party more to the right, and I think she had something of a polarizing effect when she talked about how small town values are good. Well, most of us don’t live in small towns. And I was raised in the South Bronx, and there’s nothing wrong with my value system from the South Bronx.


The GOP needs pushing to right, the classically liberal right. Powell's is snarking on Palin being a hick. Small town values? Responsibility? Self sufficency? Liberty? Limited Government?

Powell endorsed a damn Marxist for pete's sake. Powell wouldn't know small town conservative values if they bit him on the ass.

113 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:21:30pm

re: #95 apachegunner

great time for a little doggy kiss. makes for a happy dog

I had kissing hubby in mind, but, I have to crawl over the two lumps to do that.

114 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:21:30pm

and now a commercial break...

115 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:21:42pm

re: #106 CapeCoddah

I would replace the house before I replaced my dogs.

So would we ( well cats here ). Only in America!

116 poopeedoo  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:21:45pm

re: #106 CapeCoddah

They are man's best friend!

117 yochanan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:21:54pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

yeah ,, lets do the math

DOGGY DIAPER... $10.99

REPLACE ROOM CARPET ,,,$600.00

REPLACE HARDWOOD FLOOR ,,$5,000

looking up a chinese cook book for stir fry dog PRICELESS

118 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:22:01pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup

Is that tanker still being held?


Yes, I think it is.

119 Tigger2005  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:22:23pm

I mentioned in the previous thread that the Tom Cruise movie "Valkyrie" looks pretty good. And I have to say the Web site is very impressive (and educational). If the movie is anywhere near as good as the Web site Hollywood will have shown it can still make a decent historical/WW2 movie if it tries to.

120 Orangutan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:22:26pm

Let's see here... I have one more day to get together business plans ... then I go ski until Christmas Eve. no pets, no job stuff, no nothing .. just pure ski-in/ski-out alpine bliss...

121 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:22:34pm

re: #103 Joan

Some of the captions over there are so clever I feel inadequate, but it's fun, so I'm trying.

122 legalpad  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:22:40pm

re: #67 legalpad

Every ritual needs a good bonfire -

OK - I'll build it!

123 yochanan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:22:54pm

re: #80 sattv4u2

Having liveed most of my life in big cities (Boston, Atlanta, New York, Denver) and having lived the past 10 years in a small town outside of Atlanta (plus a few years here and there in other small towns) I agree with Palins point. Perhaps her delivery of the point needs improvemnet, but the point itself is worth note

SINCE POWELL ENDORSED OBAMA POWELL SHOULD STFU

124 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:23:00pm

re: #100 CapeCoddah

Your lucky you got it away from him. We have issues with that at times.

125 Catttt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:23:29pm

re: #99 CyanSnowHawk

Well, he could always look for a replacement.
Here's a list of He-Man's foes to get started. All we have to do is pin the name to the liberal.

Beast Man
Clawful
Evil-Lyn
Faker
Fang Man
Icer
Jitsu
Kobra Khan
Mer-Man
Modulok
Panthor
Spikor
Strongarm
Trap Jaw
Tri-Klops
Two-Bad
Webstor
Whiplash

Perhaps the Prince of Darkness is available.

126 Rancher  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:23:32pm

re: #106 CapeCoddah

I would replace the house before I replaced my dogs.

Kind of like Mrs. Ranchers policy on me and the dogs.

127 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:23:56pm

re: #119 Tigger2005

I mentioned in the previous thread that the Tom Cruise movie "Valkyrie" looks pretty good. And I have to say the Web site is very impressive (and educational). If the movie is anywhere near as good as the Web site Hollywood will have shown it can still make a decent historical/WW2 movie if it tries to.

So far the reviews I have seen are well shitty?

128 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:24:17pm

re: #117 yochanan

looking up a chinese cook book for stir fry dog PRICELESS


You have to go to Hong Kong or Korea for that. And I am serious. Been there and seen that. And little puppy dog paws lining the edge of the bowl.

129 zombie  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:25:04pm

I saw a disturbing yet sociologically interesting bit of moonbat behavior last night.

I was at a holiday office party at a company that is VERY left-leaning in its general demeanor. Safe to say that everyone there was a moonbat.

It was one of those "bring the whole family" office parties, so several people had brought husbands, wives, children, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc.

As happens in many modern offices, everyone was supposed to bring an inexpensive gift for one of those "Secret Santa" gift exchanges that are essentially kept anonymous, to avoid people playing favorites and engendering any inter-office resentments.

But this one had a twist. After everybody had opened their (randomly chosen) novelty gifts, sitting around a looong conference table, a pair of dice was passed around from person to person. If you rolled a double (two fours, two threes, etc.) you had the option of: trading gifts with anyone of your choosing; taking someone else's gift; giving any your gift; or forcing someone to give their gift to someone else. I murmured to the manager in charge of this game, "Doesn't this have the possibility of arousing bad feelings or resentments?" No way, he said, we do it every year; it's loads of fun!

So the game went around the table, rapid fire.

Here's the incident that fascinated/horrified me:

A four-year-boy was one of the people at the table, and by good fortune he had opened one of the few "kid-friendly" novelty gifts, a bendable "action figure" toy. He was very happy with it. Directly across the table from him was a 8-year-old boy who had also gotten a fairly decent gift (a card game), but had expressed dissatisfaction with it.

Well, after the dice had gone around the table once or twice, the 8-year-old rolled a double, and immediately reached across and grabbed the 4-year-old's action figure, which he coveted. The 8-year-old jumped up and down with excitement, and the 4-year-old was crushed, but did not cry. The four-year-old's mother, however, sitting right next to him, was aghast that someone would take her son's toy, even if the rules of the game allowed it. She glared across at the 8-year-old and his mother, who was sitting right next to him. When the dice came around to the 4-year-old's mom, she rolled a double as well, and reached across the table and yanked back the action figure and gave it to her son. The 8-year-old turned red as a beet and turned to his mother, saying, "Mom! She took my toy!" The 8-year-old's mom said "Well, maybe we'll get it back."

Keep in mind that was just a small vignette in a room filled with 60 other people shouting and laughing and trading presents back and forth. Only a few people (such as myself) were noticing what was going on with the two families.

Well, you can imagine what happened over the next ten minutes. Both boys and both mothers got in a furious competition to see who could roll doubles and thereby snatch the toy back. I was appalled at the mother of the 8-year-old for not admonishing him for being so greedy and taking something from a 4-year-old.

Back and forth the toy went several times, the anger and the insensity rising each time. The 8-year-old even took to cheating, rolling the dice 2 or 3 times in quick succession during his turn, if he thought no one was looking, in his attempt to roll a double.

With 30 seconds to go, the 8-year-old had the toy and was grinning. The game had riisen to a frenzy pitch all around the table. On the very last roll of the dice, the 4-year-old's mother rolled a pair of sixes, leapt up, grabbed the toy, and instead of giving it finally back to her son, flung it across the room where it landed in the lap of some random other participant in the game, who looked up mystified, "Keep it! Don't give it away!" ordered the four-year-old's mother.

The 8-year-old then literally burst into tears and started sobbing and punching his mother's leg in frustration. They left the room hurriedly. The 4-year-old's mom, hot-faced gathered her son, and fled.

---

Thoughts? Analysis?

130 Tigger2005  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:25:39pm

re: #127 Nevergiveup

So far the reviews I have seen are well shitty?

You trust the critics then?

131 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:25:52pm

Powell is a Big Government RINO, the same type of lousy Washington DC, ass kisser, Big Spender, that got us in to this soup in the first place. Thanks to him, we had to invade Iraq AGAIN, rather than taking care of Saddam in the first place, WHILE we had a VASTLY SUPERIOR force on the ground already, AND the moral imperative to go with it.

132 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:26:34pm

re: #128 JohnnyReb

You have to go to Hong Kong or Korea for that. And I am serious. Been there and seen that. And little puppy dog paws lining the edge of the bowl.


My brother and his foreman went to Sth K on a business trip. The foreman has a colourful turn of speech, everytime they saw a dog he would comment "there goes "effin" lunch"

My brother had to tell him to STFU.

133 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:27:04pm

re: #122 legalpad

OK - I'll build it!

We let you the last time...
not again!

134 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:27:05pm

re: #116 poopeedoo

They are man's best friend!

Without a shadow of a doubt.

135 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:27:07pm

home D tips...

136 No. Just, no.  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:27:29pm

re: #129 zombie

I...am...horrified

137 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:27:30pm

re: #130 Tigger2005

You trust the critics then?

No not at all. Just intrinsically suspicious of tom cruise.

138 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:27:55pm

re: #131 rawmuse

Powell is a Big Government RINO, the same type of lousy Washington DC, ass kisser, Big Spender, that got us in to this soup in the first place. Thanks to him, we had to invade Iraq AGAIN, rather than taking care of Saddam in the first place, WHILE we had a VASTLY SUPERIOR force on the ground already, AND the moral imperative to go with it.

exactly!

139 Bob Dillon  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:27:59pm

re: #129 zombie

Candidates for "The Ayers Experience".

/

140 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:27:59pm

re: #124 JohnnyReb

Your lucky you got it away from him. We have issues with that at times.

She does mind very well, 'specially when she knows I am not happy!

141 yochanan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:28:08pm

re: #128 JohnnyReb

I WAS ONLY KIDDING dog isn't kosher

142 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:28:13pm

re: #129 zombie


Who says kids are'nt sinners?

143 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:28:17pm

re: #7 JCM

What no supertanker?

I'm really disappointed in Charles selection of topics.

I'm beginning to think Charles is anti-supertanker.

///

But on the other hand, there are always lots of submarines in his ocean pictures. ;-)>

144 Rancher  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:28:31pm

re: #129 zombie

Thoughts? Analysis?


Some parents suck.

145 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:28:52pm
146 Orangutan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:29:05pm

re: #129 zombie


This is how mothers kill people over cheerleading teams. Warped.

147 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:29:22pm

re: #129 zombie

I hate that game- similar games occur at bridal and baby showers and it always brings out petty behavior in people.

148 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:30:12pm
149 poopeedoo  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:30:12pm

re: #128 JohnnyReb

I'm going to be sick...

150 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:30:20pm

In that video Colin Powell is basically saying that Republicans are racists.
F*ck him.

151 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:30:48pm

re: #147 Sharmuta

I hate that game- similar games occur at bridal and baby showers and it always brings out petty ugly behavior in people.

Sorry, Sharm, it needed a stronger adjective

152 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:31:05pm

re: #129 zombie

Despicable behavior. If my 8yo behaved that way, he would have been pulled from the room much earlier than that.

You were spot on with your analysis of the possible outcome.

153 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:31:15pm
154 Kiernan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:31:17pm

Hey, anyone following the police disruption of a reported terror attack in Belgium? They believe it was planned to coincide with a meeting of EU ministers.


Belgian police arrest 'al Qaeda legend'

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

155 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:32:01pm

re: #129 zombie

Sick people. Just some sick people and you need to stay away from them.

156 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:32:34pm

re: #154 Kiernan

Hey, anyone following the police disruption of a reported terror attack in Belgium? They believe it was planned to coincide with a meeting of EU ministers.


Belgian police arrest 'al Qaeda legend'

[Link: www.cnn.com...]


Yeah, a real babe

157 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:32:37pm
158 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:32:39pm

re: #129 zombie

The 8-year-old then literally burst into tears and started sobbing and punching his mother's leg in frustration. They left the room hurriedly. The 4-year-old's mom, hot-faced gathered her son, and fled.

On the one hand, I hope the mothers leg was so bruised she'll have to limp for a month.
On the other hand I envision in 10 years from now the 8 year old boy in a bell tower on a college campus with a carbine.

159 poopeedoo  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:33:01pm

re: #129 zombie

Never play that game with small children. It's frustrating enough when adults play.

160 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:33:03pm

My other thought, zombie, is that it's behavior not exclusive to moonbats.

161 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:33:03pm

re: #129 zombie

Terrible. They shouldn't have adults playing that game much less kids. On a related note I was wondering earlier about the whole Santa thing. Is it really worth telling kids that Santa is real? Couldn't people just tell kids that it's a fun pretend story from the beginning?

162 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:33:13pm

re: #129 zombie

To me the moral is that if the outcome (being without something) is going to be the same I would rather choose where something goes rather than have it taken from me.

163 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:33:19pm

re: #150 rawmuse

In that video Colin Powell is basically saying that Republicans are racists.
F*ck him.

Strangely enough, speaking anecdotally, every racist I know is a Democrat.

164 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:33:27pm

re: #141 yochanan

I WAS ONLY KIDDING dog isn't kosher

I was just saying what I have seen. And alot of what I have seen ain't fit for this blog, trust me.

165 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:33:45pm

re: #129 zombie

Kids will be kids, The parents should have been hit with Mandy's clue bat. It sounds like it had nothing to do with the kids in very short order. Had my four year old had a toy they were happy with, I would have removed them from the game. Too young to understand that stupid crap. Sounds like the parents should have had their heads knocked together.

166 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:34:34pm

Speaking publicly for the first time, Rev. Jackson said he last met with the Governor four months ago

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

If you listen to all these people Gov Blago hasn't met or spoken to anyone in the last 6 months?

167 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:34:35pm

re: #153 ploome hineni

like pushing the slice of wedding cake into your spouses' nose

always boorish behavior. I've always thought there was some hidden feelings coming out when the cake is smushed in the face like that.

168 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:35:01pm
169 Steve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:35:04pm

re: #19 taxfreekiller

"Which number were you assigned today?"

I was assigned IXII

170 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:35:13pm

re: #162 Bloodnok

To me the moral is that if the outcome (being without something) is going to be the same I would rather choose where something goes rather than have it taken from me.

Behaviorally I can't even begin to comment except to say the four year old seemed to be the most mature of the bunch.

171 No. Just, no.  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:35:20pm

re: #129 zombie

I've already responded but...we used to play a game something like that at my big extended family reunion (which is to say the extended family has many members, not that we are all big people).

Only the adults played. The kids had pre-assigned other cousins to bring a small ($5) toy for. One year my son had his same-age cousin, who had him. They unwrapped their gifts. They were the same small plastic Bob-The-Builder truck; both boys were happy.

Anyway, the game died. Don't remember why.

172 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:35:42pm

re: #129 zombie

Don't have to be moonbats to do that.

173 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:36:47pm

re: #163 Outrider

Strangely enough, speaking anecdotally, every racist I know is a Democrat.

If you listen to the vid, about 2 minutes in, he says that (in a really strange way) that "minorities" are becoming the majority, which is true. But, so frikkin' what? Does that mean that we need more welfare? More programs? More Affirmative Action?

I am so sick of this. I am sick of having to check off a box on a job application that demands a racial background so that some socialist egg head can pore over it and play God.

What he is really saying is that Whitey Need Not Apply.

174 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:36:58pm

re: #157 ploome hineni

the game is supposed to annoy at some level, that is how the people observing get satisfaction

by watching other people reacting badly

It's very similar to a gift stealing game played at several Christmas parties that I go to every year, but it's the adults playing. It is great fun, but it's not for kids. Many kids can see a $10 toy as a priceless treasure, as that 4yo did.

175 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:37:01pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Terrible. They shouldn't have adults playing that game much less kids. On a related note I was wondering earlier about the whole Santa thing. Is it really worth telling kids that Santa is real? Couldn't people just tell kids that it's a fun pretend story from the beginning?

What harm is it for an small child to "beleive" in Santa? I cherish the memories of the look in my sons eyes at this time of year when he "beleived" He's 14 now, and he's very well adjusted, has great interpersonal and social skills, a tremendous imagination, and he really enjoys seeing young kids that beleive, even to the point where he volunteers to be a Santas Helper at our churches "Breakfast With Santa"

176 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:37:03pm

re: #129 zombie

Those parents had bad parents. Those kids are probably going to have bad kids. And there's nothing genetic about it. It is very difficult for people to realize they've been raised badly and correct themselves.

177 zombie  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:37:34pm

re: #170 Bloodnok

Behaviorally I can't even begin to comment except to say the four year old seemed to be the most mature of the bunch.

That was my impression as well.

But I was intrigued by the four-year-old's mom's decision to fling the toy elsewhere, rather then restore it to her son.

178 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:37:46pm
179 Catttt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:37:50pm

re: #129 zombie

Good heavens.

I am reminded of my Navajo cousins, when they were little boys. We'd gone to the circus, and they all had balloons. Keep in mind that these kids were not rich and did not have a ton of worldly goods.

One of the boys lost his balloon, which floated into the air. He started to cry, and one of his brothers immediately offered his own ballon and said he would share, which brought smiles to both faces.

I went downstairs and found an old toy in good shape - a lion troll (cute). I took it up and gave it to the boy to replace the balloon. He smiled - his mom (my first cousin) said it was too expensive, and I said nonsense - I'm happy to share it with him. His brothers all smiled, happy he had a toy.

Compare and contrast.

180 legalpad  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:39:14pm

re: #133 JCM

We let you the last time...
not again!

Hmmm- I seem to have gained weight since then!

181 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:39:34pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

What harm is it for an small child to "beleive" in Santa?


Because eventually they are going to figure out they were lied to. I'm just kind of thinking it's not worth the price.

182 JohnnyReb  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:39:59pm

re: #173 rawmuse

Just check the block that says "not otherwise defined" if you are putting in for a government job. If it is a civilian job ask if you can put yourself in as something like mixed or even better multi racial, as most people in the US are truthfully.

183 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:40:15pm

re: #173 rawmuse

If you listen to the vid, about 2 minutes in, he says that (in a really strange way) that "minorities" are becoming the majority, which is true. But, so frikkin' what? Does that mean that we need more welfare? More programs? More Affirmative Action?

I am so sick of this. I am sick of having to check off a box on a job application that demands a racial background so that some socialist egg head can pore over it and play God.

What he is really saying is that Whitey Need Not Apply.

In the early '80s I applied 3 consecutive years to the Seattle Fire Dept. Each year they hired a class of 30. Each year they had over 6000 applicants for those positions.

Each year I place in the teens, but being white male I needed a top ten finish. meanwhile they would go into the high 300's to make the quotas.

Since then I check "other" and write "American."

184 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:40:42pm

re: #163 Outrider

Strangely enough, speaking anecdotally, every racist I know is a Democrat.

My experience too. The worst racist I ever knew was a high ranking manager in a federal agency, and a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat.

185 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:40:48pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Because eventually they are going to figure out they were lied to. I'm just kind of thinking it's not worth the price.

Nonsense. I STILL believe in Santa. It is good for the soul.

186 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:40:58pm

re: #170 Bloodnok

Behaviorally I can't even begin to comment except to say the four year old seemed to be the most mature of the bunch.

At least the four year old acted his age.

This is a game for close friends who are sober.

Reminds me of too many little league games that end up with the parents competing.

187 zombie  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:41:11pm

And the real villain, in my eyes, was the 8-year-old's mother, who not only seemed to have raised her son badly, but also did absolutely nothing to stop him from doing something selfish and awful in public. Nor did it seem to be a "teaching moment." She allowed him to behave very poorly, and did not subsequently instruct him or punish him.

188 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:41:16pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Because eventually they are going to figure out they were lied to. I'm just kind of thinking it's not worth the price.

parenthood is all about manipulation...give kids some credit...they mature...they understand what you were doing

189 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:41:40pm

re: #179 Cattt

What a great "palate cleanser" of a story!

190 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:41:43pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Because eventually they are going to figure out they were lied to. I'm just kind of thinking it's not worth the price.

It's a cold cruel world out there. They gotta learn sometimes?
/

191 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:41:44pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Because eventually they are going to figure out they were lied to. I'm just kind of thinking it's not worth the price.

I have many freinds with kids. I had many freinds when I was a kid. I've yet to meet one who holds a resentment against their parents because they were 'lied too" about the existence of Santa. Do you know of such people ?

192 yochanan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:42:22pm

what will BUCK FLAGO get in jail?

193 Bob Dillon  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:42:57pm

re: #179 Cattt

I am reminded of a heaven/hell definition.

Everyone sitting around a table with bowls of food and very, very long spoons.

Hell - everyone trying to feed themselves but the spoons are too long.

Heaven - everyone feeding their neighbor with the long spoons.

194 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:43:26pm

re: #177 zombie

That was my impression as well.

But I was intrigued by the four-year-old's mom's decision to fling the toy elsewhere, rather then restore it to her son.

The naive chump in me would like to think she was horrified at her own behavior. But shame is hard to find these days.

195 UberInfidel67  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:44:26pm

re: #129 zombie I think she was straight up pissed at the behavior of the 8 year old. By finally tossing the toy to someone else, it was as if she wasn't so mad that HER child didn't get it...it wasn't about HER child at all. She was more upset that the 8 year old acted that way. Good for her. And I bet her 4 year old will grow up and act a lot better than the 8 year old...punching his mother's leg in frustration? WTF? Little brat.

196 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:45:23pm

re: #192 yochanan

what will BUCK FLAGO get in jail?

In the 25th century?

197 No. Just, no.  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:45:25pm

re: #187 zombie

And the real villain, in my eyes, was the 8-year-old's mother, who not only seemed to have raised her son badly, but also did absolutely nothing to stop him from doing something selfish and awful in public. Nor did it seem to be a "teaching moment." She allowed him to behave very poorly, and did not subsequently instruct him or punish him.

I have tried to let people know that if my child misbehaves I need to know now, because I only have until they are bigger than me to instill the basics of decency. You would be suprised how many people are surprised and relieved when I thank them for letting me know and have him apologize/make retribution.

*Harry Potter--page 22--"Little tyke just wants his money's worth, just like his father. 'Atta boy, Dudley!"

198 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:45:29pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

There are a million Santas.

To a kid we can all be Santa.

199 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:45:50pm
200 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:45:56pm

re: #167 Outrider

always boorish behavior. I've always thought there was some hidden feelings coming out when the cake is smushed in the face like that.

Mrs. Hawk and I agreed that we would not do the cake smashing thing to each other. It's a game of one-up-man-ship that never should have started.

I did, however manage to dot her nose with a dab of frosting on the end of my index finger as I fed her the first bite of cake. A playful gesture should remain that.

201 yochanan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:45:59pm

a new wife

202 davinvalkri  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:46:28pm

re: #129 zombie

What...the...***...did anybody here ever act like that when they were eight years old and get away with it?! Jesus, what's happening to people?! What's happening in that family?!

203 callahan23  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:46:36pm

re: #179 Cattt

Thanks you share that nice story. Brought a tear to my eye.

And I'm not crying easily.

204 Rancher  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:46:46pm

re: #154 Kiernan

I remember Ahmed Shah Massoud and the cowardly way he was killed. Nevertheless the Northern Alliance got it's revenge by riding the United State's support all the way to Kabul. Looks like his widow won't be going back to Afghanistan to play up the "legend" bit. Rot in jail bitch.

205 NYCHardhat  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:47:02pm

re: #129 zombie

Wealth redistribution.

206 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:47:05pm
207 razorbacker  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:47:15pm
208 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:48:13pm

re: #202 davinvalkri

What...the...***...did anybody here ever act like that when they were eight years old and get away with it?! Jesus, what's happening to people?! What's happening in that family?!

My bet would be on a child that doesn't hear the words "NO you can't have/do that" very often at home

209 Wilderstad  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:48:42pm

re: #120 Orangutan

Let's see here... I have one more day to get together business plans ... then I go ski until Christmas Eve. no pets, no job stuff, no nothing .. just pure ski-in/ski-out alpine bliss...

I envy you!

210 DistantThunder  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:48:47pm

re: #129 zombie

One action figure of questionable ownership, an indulged older child, and a younger child, and two mothers = a recipe for disaster.

If I had been the mother of the 8 year old I would have insisted that the younger child be allowed to keep the toy.

If I had been the mother of the younger boy, I would have insisted that the older boy keep the toy - and then left immediately with my child. It's too much to ask a 4 year old to understand why a toy was taken away from him - if the other person isn't willing to share the toy.

Not a good game for children - and it does not teach them the christmas spirit.

211 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:49:01pm

re: #173 rawmuse

If you listen to the vid, about 2 minutes in, he says that (in a really strange way) that "minorities" are becoming the majority, which is true. But, so frikkin' what? Does that mean that we need more welfare? More programs? More Affirmative Action?

I am so sick of this. I am sick of having to check off a box on a job application that demands a racial background so that some socialist egg head can pore over it and play God.

What he is really saying is that Whitey Need Not Apply.

In theory it means a greater proportion of minorities join the middle class and higher. It should mean seeing more minorities in management and executive levels.

In theory, it should mean an increase, over time, of a growth in the Republican party.

212 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:49:52pm

re: #207 razorbacker

kissed a horse on the nose

213 CIA Reject  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:50:19pm

re: #185 CapeCoddah

Nonsense. I STILL believe in Santa. It is good for the soul.

As a joke I've posted before the 3 phases of Santa Claus:

1) You believe in Santa Claus
2) You don't believe in Santa Claus
3) You ARE Santa Claus

but there is truth there (as there is in most jokes) in that Santa Claus is not some fat guy in a red suit, but rather an embodiment of charity. So whenever we perform some random act of kindness we make Santa Claus real.

Or to mix quotations horribly: "Yes Virginia we have met Santa Claus, and he is us."

214 DistantThunder  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:50:34pm

re: #163 Outrider

Strangely enough, speaking anecdotally, every racist I know is a Democrat.

I love when people who vote for Democrats condescend to tell Republicans what we should do.

215 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:50:56pm

re: #198 Ojoe

There are a million Santas.

To a kid we can all be Santa.



I hope there is a Santa...

216 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:51:06pm

re: #192 yochanan

what will BUCK FLAGO get in jail?

Bucked

217 NYCHardhat  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:51:51pm

re: #163 Outrider

Strangely enough, speaking anecdotally, every racist I know is a Democrat.

The Dems are the only ones fixated on the color of a person's skin.

218 Rancher  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:51:55pm

re: #173 rawmuse

If you listen to the vid, about 2 minutes in, he says that (in a really strange way) that "minorities" are becoming the majority, which is true. But, so frikkin' what?


So soon Whites will get preferential treatment and Hispanics will be off of the gravy train.

219 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:52:05pm

re: #129 zombie

Thoughts? Analysis?

I sure hope this isn't where you work at your day job.

220 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:52:18pm

re: #210 DistantThunder

It has a real evil feel to it.

221 No. Just, no.  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:52:40pm

Oh, yeah, here's a fun link. This is my #2 most approved use of my tax money. #1 is my gorgeous public library.

[Link: www.noradsanta.org...]

222 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:52:47pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Is it really worth telling kids that Santa is real? Couldn't people just tell kids that it's a fun pretend story from the beginning?

You're no fun Killgore. Letting the magic live in a kid's mind is not a bad thing. And there is a little sense of accomplishment when they figure out the truth, even if the cynics only see disappointment.

223 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:52:59pm

re: #183 JCM

Maybe if I change my name to Mfume...

224 JacksonTn  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:53:06pm

Why do they lie ...I guess during this meeting the subject of the senate seat never came up ...

[Link: centralillinoisproud.com...]

225 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:53:16pm

re: #207 razorbacker

Have you ever kissed a mule?

Thanks, I haven't laughed that hard in a long time!

226 Catttt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:53:40pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Because eventually they are going to figure out they were lied to. I'm just kind of thinking it's not worth the price.

Are you insinuating there is no Santa Claus? I beg to differ. I still believe. Besides, he has toll-free number and a Web site, and NORAD tracks him.

A while back, when I worked at the downtown office, I was walking around the Inner Harbor at lunch one Christmas season. It was very Christmassy - cold, snow, etc., and Santa's House (gorgeous) was set up. I looked in the window and saw Santa - and it was that magical Santa I remember from my childhood. It WAS Santa. Then, he turned, saw me, and waved. I grinned and waved back.

227 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:53:44pm

re: #215 JCM


I hope there is a Santa...

No, Virginia, There is No Santa Claus

Virginia, your little friends are right. They have not succumbed to the mysticism of a mystical age. They refuse to believe anything which contradicts what they know, and they know that reindeer can't fly and that one man could not deliver toys to all the world's children in a lifetime, let alone one night.

When your friends think like this, it demonstrates that the human mind is grand, and that in this great universe of ours man is a giant, a genius. Only man, of all life we know, can conceptually grasp the magnificent world about him, the whole of truth and knowledge.

No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. Santa is a make-believe character, created for children like you in a spirit of love, generosity and devotion. He is a product of the uniquely human power of reason.

One of the ways we use this power is to have fun rearranging the things we know into things that cannot be. But the true beauty of this power is that it alone, and not faith, is the light which fills the world with toys, candy, books, houses, clothes, schools, medicine, love and all of the values that make life joyous and fulfilling. So if you renounce reason in favor of faith, you renounce all these wonderful things.

Believe in Santa Claus? You might as well believe in fairies! To do either you must give up reason, and with it your ability to distinguish what is real from what isn't.

This ability is your most important asset; your life and happiness depend on it. When you understand this you will know why you should shun anyone who tells you that the less evidence there is for something, the "more true" it is.

Sometimes confused people say that there might be fairies dancing on your lawn because you can't prove that fairies aren't there. What these people don't understand is that it's up to them to prove that fairies might be there, yet this is what they can never do. Proof requires evidence and there can be no evidence for the existence of the non-existent. This principle applies not only to claims that fairies might exist, but to any arbitrary claim, including the one that there is an unknowable, supernatural world.

You know you must look inside your baby's rattle to see what makes its noise; faith, hunch or "intuition" will not provide the answer. This same reliance on "sense and sight" will equip you better for life than the united physical strength of all the strongest men that ever lived.

Hold to this reliance through all your days. If you do you will be able to push aside the curtain of ignorance and enjoy the poetry, love, romance, music, science and all the other glories of this world. There is no other world, Virginia, nothing else real and abiding.

A real Santa Claus? Of course not! He lives in imagination only, and for as long as he does he can make glad the heart of childhood. For a thousand, nay, 10 times 10,000 years from now, he may survive as a wonderful fantasy, unless man, using his faculty of reason, conceives of a better one.

228 DistantThunder  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:54:01pm

re: #223 rawmuse

Maybe if I change my name to Mfume...

I wonder how to game the system ..maybe by checking other.

229 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:54:08pm

re: #223 rawmuse

Maybe if I change my name to Mfume...

The very thought makes me queasy.

230 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:54:26pm

I got a son in dental school in Lauderdale...his older sister is special events director at the new art museum in GR Mich...I lied and deceived and manipulated those kids all along...I was their buddy and their boss...I ruled...I pushed them and tugged them everyday of their lives...they were rewarded and they were punished...I am extremely proud of them both and they adore their daddy...parenthood is like nothing else yet it doesnt take special talents or high intellect...you work it and do what you need to do...to this day both kids believe in Santa and dig the holidays...who wouldnt?...Santa is in your heart and all children learn to know this...

231 CIA Reject  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:54:33pm

Gotta go - "The Bells of St. Mary's" is on cable!

Later folks...

232 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:55:04pm

Cardinal: Madonna arouses "impure thoughts." Um, maybe 20 years ago, but today? Cloris Leachman is sexier.

233 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:55:17pm

re: #226 Cattt
ahhh, I love the inner harbor in the spring/summer with the midshipmen in their little sail boats.

234 rb4269  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:55:22pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Like Terry Pratchett says in Hogfather children need to believe in the little things like Santa or the Tooth Fairy (or the Hogfather) so when they grow up they can believe in the BIG things like justice and mercy

235 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:55:34pm

re: #226 Cattt

Are you insinuating there is no Santa Claus? I beg to differ. I still believe. Besides, he has toll-free number and a Web site, and NORAD tracks him.

Next thing you'll tell me is that there's no such thing as the toolbag.

236 phoenixgirl  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:55:44pm

re: #129 zombie

merry christmas!

237 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:55:55pm

i'm going up stairs to a holiday party in my bldg. now.
MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone.
it is a beautiful time of year.

238 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:56:33pm

And, lastly, I might have one shred of respect for Colin Powell's opinion as a Republican if he had actually, you know, VOTED for one.

I got to go for a walk and cool off before I stroke out completely. Later.

239 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:56:44pm

re: #237 nyc redneck

i'm going up stairs to a holiday party in my bldg. now.
MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone.
it is a beautiful time of year.

Thanks. Merry Christmas to you!

240 Rancher  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:56:48pm

re: #215 JCM


I hope there is a Santa...


Well, JCM, let's examine the word "Santa", shall we? [ holds up board with "SANTA" spelled across it in removeable letters ] Santa. Let's see, what have we got here? We've got an S and an A, an N, a T, and another A. Hmm.. [ rearranges the letters ] Who could be causing all those laps to bounce up and down curiously? Who would help grown men peel the focus from the baby Jesus on his birthday? Who could it be, I just don't know. Could it be.. Satan!

241 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:56:52pm

re: #187 zombie

And the real villain, in my eyes, was the 8-year-old's mother, who not only seemed to have raised her son badly, but also did absolutely nothing to stop him from doing something selfish and awful in public. Nor did it seem to be a "teaching moment." She allowed him to behave very poorly, and did not subsequently instruct him or punish him.

There's a poignant line in the movie No Country for Old Men when Tommy Lee Jones says (paraphrasing here), "when sir and ma'am stop being used, the rest is soon to follow"...
A commentary on the degeneration of society and it starts with the parents. I think you were watching a microcosm of that...

242 yah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:57:04pm

re: #129 zombie
The 8 yr old and the mothers are sick. The 4 yr will be soon. Unfortunatley, Christmas seems to brings the worst out in many people.

243 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:57:45pm

re: #235 Bloodnok

upding

244 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:57:55pm

re: #187 zombie

It is always the parents, young children know only what they are taught and mimic behavior they see daily. I had a job, a limo job several years ago, where I went to pick up a family at a skating rink. I was to take them to the beach, then home. In a stretch limo. They own several companies, which everyone would know if I named them. When I picked them up, mom and several children, I realized that their trip to the rink was because the 8yo daughter was training to try and make future olympics. They were from NY and the kid wanted to train w/ Nancy Kerrigans coach, who lives here on the Cape. By the time we pulled out of the parking lot, I was horrified down to my toes. I heard the mom start ragging on and gossiping viciously about the other skaters to her daughter and her other children, and their friends. There were about 5-6 kids. I took them to the beach, and waited. About an hour later, one of this woman's sons, about 10, came back to the limo, and went to open the back door. He was covered in sand. I told him ""hang on, don't open that door, lets get the sand off of you first" He looked me in the eye, and said, I don't have to if I don't want to. Well, I'm not his mom, as he soon found out. I looked right back at him and said "son, this is MY car not yours, and if you do not wish to run home behind it, you WILL brush off the sand, 'cause you are not getting in otherwise". He looked at me, and started brushing off the sand. Did not utter another word. When we got back to the house in Osterville, (Very exclusive, 3 mil house) The kids took off running to the back yard. Mom went into the kitchen, where the maid and the 8yo's bodyguard were. The kids threw the cover off of the jacuzzi attached to the pool,, and the 8yo girl started ordering everyone in the jacuzzi. I went into the kitchen, and told the mom the kids were getting into the pool without supervision, to which she replied to me, and I shit you not, "It is OK, it's her house". I about fell over. I was then sent with the bodyguard to get chinese food. He was a cool dude. I asked him about the house, and the way the kids talked to their mother, not to mention the way she let them behave. He was also horrified, and said they were very difficult to work for, because he so disapproved of the way the family unit operated, the inmates were in charge of the asylum. I asked about the house, and it did indeed belong to the child, it was purchased when she refused to train anywhere but here, so that she did not have to live in a Boston hotel and commute to the Cape. That was 10 years ago. I shudder to think about how those kids have turned out.

245 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:59:18pm

re: #206 ploome hineni

you had to be the one man up?

heh

I follow the playful tradition, not the one where you get a snot-rocket with frosting.

246 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:59:19pm

re: #195 UberInfidel67

And I bet her 4 year old will grow up and act a lot better than the 8 year old...punching his mother's leg in frustration? WTF? Little brat.

I'm appalled by parents who allow their children to hit them without consequences. If parents don't teach their children to respect them, how will the child learn to respect anyone?

247 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:59:23pm

re: #234 rb4269

Like Terry Pratchett says in Hogfather children need to believe in the little things like Santa or the Tooth Fairy (or the Hogfather) so when they grow up they can believe in the BIG things like justice and mercy

The Hogfather. "I'm gonna make him a sty he can't refuse."

248 razorbacker  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:59:39pm

re: #129 zombie

For years we played a game at my in-laws home at Christmas where each adult bought a gift (under $10) and we'd sit around the room and open them in decending age order. You open your gift, then the next person could swap your gift for their unopened gift.

My niece had bought this special gift and she said, "I want to be sure that Unca razorbacker gets this one, it suits him so well."

When I opened the gift it was a pair of bright yellow lounging pants with little pictures of the Oscar Meyer wienermobile on them.

Every blessed adult in that room swapped in their turn for those pants.

249 Rancher  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 4:59:47pm

Work ends and so does my time here. Now I go to my other job where I will see you all again.

250 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:00:14pm

re: #240 Rancher
I really hope you forgot the sarcasm tag. My kids all know the reason for the season, but the 8 yr old still believes in Santa.

251 davinvalkri  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:00:30pm

re: #213 CIA Reject

BOOO!
But the idea that you have 8+1 magical flying reindeer and a sleigh that somehow holds enough toys for the entire world is intriguing.
Maybe Santa actually runs a Berlin Airlift-style operation from the North Pole, dropping precision strike gifts down chimneys which then detect and land other Christmas trees!

252 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:00:44pm

re: #213 CIA Reject

As a joke I've posted before the 3 phases of Santa Claus:

1) You believe in Santa Claus
2) You don't believe in Santa Claus
3) You ARE Santa Claus

but there is truth there (as there is in most jokes) in that Santa Claus is not some fat guy in a red suit, but rather an embodiment of charity. So whenever we perform some random act of kindness we make Santa Claus real.

Or to mix quotations horribly: "Yes Virginia we have met Santa Claus, and he is us."

Shoot. Try walking around the mall or Walmart with a full beard at this time of year. :-)>

253 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:01:15pm

re: #240 Rancher

Well, JCM, let's examine the word "Santa", shall we? [ holds up board with "SANTA" spelled across it in removeable letters ] Santa. Let's see, what have we got here? We've got an S and an A, an N, a T, and another A. Hmm.. [ rearranges the letters ] Who could be causing all those laps to bounce up and down curiously? Who would help grown men peel the focus from the baby Jesus on his birthday? Who could it be, I just don't know. Could it be.. Satan!

Last year my wife (Thai) filled out the to:, from: tags for the gifts being given from: Santa to: my boys names. Only problem, she put from: Sata to: my boys. They looked at me kinda funny.

254 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:01:17pm

I've been cruising all the coming attractions and movie reviews, there's not much out there. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict the worst Hollywood Christmas box office takes in years.

The ones that look the best are Desperaux (kid movie), Gran Torino (Clint Eastwood), 7 Pounds (Will Smith ), and The Spirit (Frank Miller.)

255 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:01:40pm

re: #240 Rancher

Well, JCM, let's examine the word "Santa", shall we? [ holds up board with "SANTA" spelled across it in removeable letters ] Santa. Let's see, what have we got here? We've got an S and an A, an N, a T, and another A. Hmm.. [ rearranges the letters ] Who could be causing all those laps to bounce up and down curiously? Who would help grown men peel the focus from the baby Jesus on his birthday? Who could it be, I just don't know. Could it be.. Satan!

Now you sound like Fred Phelps...
/// ;-P

Freddie's take on Christmas...

"Santa Claus Will Take You to Hell"

"You'd better watch out, get ready to cry,
You'd better go hide, I'm telling you why
'cuz Santa Claus will take you to hell.

"He is your favorite idol, you worship at his feet,
but when you stand before your God
He won't help you take the heat.

"So get this fact straight: you're feeling God's hate,
Santa's to blame for the economy's fate,
Santa Claus will take you to hell.

"Don't leave your kids with this red fright
Just like the priests he'll rape 'em at night
Oh Santa Clause will take you to hell.

"You tell the children he is real,
You know that's just a lie,
To justify your own vile sins
That's the only reason why.

"So get this fact straight, you're feelin' God's hate
Santa's to blame for the dead soldier's fate
Santa Claus will take you to hell."

256 onepistoffyid  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:02:51pm

This is the best argument I have ever heard for complete liberalization of American gun laws...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

257 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:04:11pm

re: #255 JCM
Fred Phelps has a very special place reserved in Hell. He and his minions are the reason I joined the Patriot Guard Riders. Asshats in the first degree him and his little sect are.

258 Wishing  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:04:30pm

re: #254 Thanos

I've been cruising all the coming attractions and movie reviews, there's not much out there. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict the worst Hollywood Christmas box office takes in years.

The ones that look the best are Desperaux (kid movie), Gran Torino (Clint Eastwood), 7 Pounds (Will Smith ), and The Spirit (Frank Miller.)

Did you see when Despereaux is coming out? That is a great trailer!

259 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:04:39pm

re: #254 Thanos

I've been cruising all the coming attractions and movie reviews, there's not much out there. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict the worst Hollywood Christmas box office takes in years.

The ones that look the best are Desperaux (kid movie), Gran Torino (Clint Eastwood), 7 Pounds (Will Smith ), and The Spirit (Frank Miller.)

Being an amatuer history buff, esp. WW2, I was hoping Valkyrie would be a good take. Were there any reviews on that?

260 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:04:46pm

re: #248 razorbacker

For years we played a game at my in-laws home at Christmas where each adult bought a gift (under $10) and we'd sit around the room and open them in decending age order. You open your gift, then the next person could swap your gift for their unopened gift.

My niece had bought this special gift and she said, "I want to be sure that Unca razorbacker gets this one, it suits him so well."

When I opened the gift it was a pair of bright yellow lounging pants with little pictures of the Oscar Meyer wienermobile on them.

Every blessed adult in that room swapped in their turn for those pants.

There is a gift like that at all these events. One year, Mrs. Hawk and I brought a Viking themed Nutcracker as the gift and that thing went through everybody's hands.

261 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:05:15pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Terrible. They shouldn't have adults playing that game much less kids. On a related note I was wondering earlier about the whole Santa thing. Is it really worth telling kids that Santa is real? Couldn't people just tell kids that it's a fun pretend story from the beginning?

Why do you have to be a killjoy? My husband is a rabbi. He has a big fluffy white beard and is somewhat, er, rotund. He gets a big kick when little kids see him at Walmart or CVS and point and giggle, and he says, "You better be good!" and they giggle and hide behind their mommas.

262 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:05:49pm

re: #250 pingjockey

I really hope you forgot the sarcasm tag. My kids all know the reason for the season, but the 8 yr old still believes in Santa.

It's a Church Lady bit from Dana Carvey on SNL.

263 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:06:10pm

re: #183 JCM

In the early '80s I applied 3 consecutive years to the Seattle Fire Dept. Each year they hired a class of 30. Each year they had over 6000 applicants for those positions.

Each year I place in the teens, but being white male I needed a top ten finish. meanwhile they would go into the high 300's to make the quotas.

Since then I check "other" and write "American."

Check "other" and write "Human"

264 CIA Reject  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:06:47pm

re: #251 davinvalkri

BOOO!
But the idea that you have 8+1 magical flying reindeer and a sleigh that somehow holds enough toys for the entire world is intriguing.
Maybe Santa actually runs a Berlin Airlift-style operation from the North Pole, dropping precision strike gifts down chimneys which then detect and land other Christmas trees!

Hmm, I'm guessing you'll probably enjoy this. :-)

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

--William Shakespeare "Hamlet"

Now I really gotta go...

265 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:06:57pm

re: #262 CyanSnowHawk
Oh, okay. That's better.

266 picaro  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:07:25pm

re: #262 CyanSnowHawk

“Could it be…SATAN?”

Cracks me up.

267 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:07:48pm

re: #257 pingjockey

Fred Phelps has a very special place reserved in Hell. He and his minions are the reason I joined the Patriot Guard Riders. Asshats in the first degree him and his little sect are.

I feel a special antipathy for Phelps. I dislike antisocial behavior like his from anyone. But from someone who claims to be Christian, and doing claims to represent God's word in such a manner, draws special ire from me.

He is in Scriptural terms a "worker of lawlessness." Completely perverting God's word, and causing uncounted damage.

268 davinvalkri  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:08:05pm

Ah heh...other -> under...
and by "BOOO" I'm not referring to the spirit of the comment, just the quote mash-up at the end.

269 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:08:09pm

re: #207 razorbacker

Razorback, here's some Jerry Clowers to go with the previous thread.

270 JacksonTn  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:08:30pm

My mother told me that one reason she believed in Santa for so long when she was a child was because her parents were poor like almost everyone else during the depression ...she thought the only way that toys could possibly be at their house on Christmas Day was from a magical Santa ...her father worked as a powder monkey in the coal mines ...Kids today get too many toys for Christmas ...when we were kids we had to make at least one present for someone in our family no matter how old we were ...I was the least creative but I loved it ...

I have never met a person who has ever said that they were "damaged" in any way by believing in Santa ...but I am sure there has been a "study" somewhere ...

271 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:08:43pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

Being an amatuer history buff, esp. WW2, I was hoping Valkyrie would be a good take. Were there any reviews on that?

Yeah, there were but I can't stand Tom Cruise so didn't read them, it's not a movie I'll see. He's just not believable in any part he plays, except that football agent in Jerry MacGuire, and Rainman. Those parts he was believable in.

272 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:08:47pm

re: #263 Alouette

Check "other" and write "Human"

I've checked Native American a few times...
I was born here after all.

273 monkeytime  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:09:13pm

re: #210 DistantThunder

One action figure of questionable ownership, an indulged older child, and a younger child, and two mothers = a recipe for disaster.

If I had been the mother of the 8 year old I would have insisted that the younger child be allowed to keep the toy.

If I had been the mother of the younger boy, I would have insisted that the older boy keep the toy - and then left immediately with my child. It's too much to ask a 4 year old to understand why a toy was taken away from him - if the other person isn't willing to share the toy.

Not a good game for children - and it does not teach them the christmas spirit.


Exactly. Although the mother's didn't set a good example, children should not have been included in that game. They should have just given them each a gift and let the drunk adults fight over the chia pets.

274 yochanan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:10:13pm

re: #207 razorbacker

i always wanted to kiss a mule

275 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:10:20pm

re: #257 pingjockey

Patriot Guard Riders.


upding. ;-)>

276 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:10:39pm

re: #273 monkeytime

Exactly. Although the mother's didn't set a good example, children should not have been included in that game. They should have just given them each a gift and let the drunk adults fight over the chia pets.

They need a Joe Biden Chia Pet. I think that would sell well.

277 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:11:11pm

re: #267 JCM
Read a book by Jerry Pournelle called Inferno, a modern take on Dantes book. The religous types who'd offended God had to walk around in gold suits that weighed a ton and were blistering hot and when they talked shit came out of their mouths. They had no anus you see.

278 picaro  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:11:25pm

re: #267 JCM

Is this the group that came out to California to protest at military funerals?

279 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:11:45pm

re: #270 JacksonTn

My mother told me that one reason she believed in Santa for so long when she was a child was because her parents were poor like almost everyone else during the depression ...she thought the only way that toys could possibly be at their house on Christmas Day was from a magical Santa ...her father worked as a powder monkey in the coal mines ...Kids today get too many toys for Christmas ...when we were kids we had to make at least one present for someone in our family no matter how old we were ...I was the least creative but I loved it ...

I have never met a person who has ever said that they were "damaged" in any way by believing in Santa ...but I am sure there has been a "study" somewhere ...

there you have it...thanks for that

280 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:11:49pm

Sen. Jim DeMint says unfair union influence and the bailout culture will anger many Americans.

That's right. It will. The corrupt marriage of bad business model unions and the democrat party is what is driving this madness.

[Link: www.businessandmedia.org...]

281 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:11:50pm

re: #273 monkeytime

Exactly. Although the mother's didn't set a good example, children should not have been included in that game. They should have just given them each a gift and let the drunk adults fight over the chia pets.

You bashthard! Thath Shlaggy and Shcobby Shia peth wath MINE!

282 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:12:57pm

re: #275 Outrider
Haven't been accosted by the Phelps Klan yet out here in the Northwest, which is a good thing.

283 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:12:57pm

re: #257 pingjockey

Fred Phelps has a very special place reserved in Hell. He and his minions are the reason I joined the Patriot Guard Riders. Asshats in the first degree him and his little sect are.

They were coming here a couple of years ago, to Provincetown to protest the gays.
They decided against it, when the residents shipped in a few thousand supporters and when they also realized there is only 1 narrow road out of town!

284 monkeytime  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:13:03pm

re: #276 Wyatt Earp

They need a Joe Biden Chia Pet. I think that would sell well.

I would have brought a framed picture of Obama. Who would have the nerve to trade it at a dem party and nobody would take it and then they would be stuck with it - LOL!

285 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:13:12pm

re: #278 picaro

Is this the group that came out to California to protest at military funerals?

They inspired the group "Freedom Riders" IIRC, to counter their despicable protests.

286 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:13:28pm

re: #256 onepistoffyid

This is the best argument I have ever heard for complete liberalization of American gun laws...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Good article. One of the keys to pre-emption is good intelligence. My fear is that governmentally, particularly after January 20th we will be even more vulnerable. I saw a Democratic congresswoman on some security committee talking about interrogation and her ideas were truly scary. She was making the case for following the Army's manual on interrogation - which of course is geared towards dealing with legitimate prisoners of war. The gist is that they should not even be made uncomfortable. In the case of captured soldiers I agree. In the case of potential terrorists - what are you kidding me? Ideas like this woman has are dangerous to all of us. She is writing checks that we will have to cash in blood, just so she can look in the mirror and feel all good about herself. People like this should be given nothing more dangerous than nerf toys to play with and sent off to a corner of the room. Leave the big issues to the adults...

287 ggt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:13:28pm

Good Evening Lizards! It wasn't too bad in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today. Coldish, Wet-ish . . .

I didn't listen/watch/hear any news today.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

288 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:13:38pm

re: #278 picaro

Is this the group that came out to California to protest at military funerals?

Fred Phelps, Westboro Baptist out of Topeka, Kansas.

Protest military deaths as God's punishment on the US for allowing Gays and abortions.

289 Wishing  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:14:10pm

re: #270 JacksonTn

I have never met a person who has ever said that they were "damaged" in any way by believing in Santa ...but I am sure there has been a "study" somewhere ...

Um, why do you think we have generations of people expecting Obama to pay their mortgage and buy their gas?

290 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:14:11pm

re: #278 picaro
They go all over to protest at military funerals, holding up absolutely vile signs.

291 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:14:19pm

re: #285 CyanSnowHawk

They inspired the group "Freedom Riders" IIRC, to counter their despicable protests.

Oh, Patriot Guard Riders. Thanks pingjockey.

292 picaro  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:15:05pm

re: #289 Wishing

Obama Claus!

293 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:15:14pm

re: #282 pingjockey

Haven't been accosted by the Phelps Klan yet out here in the Northwest, which is a good thing.

I am very glad the Mumbai terror victims were buried in Israel, but if the Phelps freaks tried to crash a Satmar funeral they would get the living crap beat out of them.

294 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:15:44pm

re: #285 CyanSnowHawk

They inspired the group "Freedom Riders" IIRC, to counter their despicable protests.

Traffic Freedom Rider

295 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:16:05pm

re: #285 CyanSnowHawk
Patriot Guard Riders, of which I am one. A whole lot of veterans, on Harleys has a calming affect on assholes. We also screen the family from seeing Phelps and his things. I won't call the people.

296 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:16:08pm

re: #290 pingjockey

They go all over to protest at military funerals, holding up absolutely vile signs.

I don't know if I could restrain myself... if I saw one of those cretins at a funeral. They'd find a whole new way to hold that sign, if you know what I mean.

297 JacksonTn  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:16:51pm

re: #289 Wishing

Um, why do you think we have generations of people expecting Obama to pay their mortgage and buy their gas?

Because they are fricken lazy ...Santa Claus can't get take the blame for that ...

298 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:17:11pm

re: #284 monkeytime

I would have brought a framed picture of Obama. Who would have the nerve to trade it at a dem party and nobody would take it and then they would be stuck with it - LOL!


But you could sell it on eBay like the knuckleheads who sell the Virgin mary's image on toast. "Look, it's a framed picture of our Savior! $200!"

299 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:17:21pm

re: #287 ggt

Some heavy philosophical slugging last thread back; Moe Katz got whacked and Occasional Reader was caught nakedwith a lobster.

How are you ggt?

300 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:17:31pm

re: #293 Alouette
That is the one thing we don't do. It would give Phelps even more attention. We form a flag line, or screen the family from these despicable things.

301 ggt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:17:52pm

re: #286 LGoPs

Having an armed citizenry is the only reason attacks WON'T happen. Criminals of any type aren't stupid. They only go where they know they will succeed: i.e shopping malls, schools, post offices , DESIGNATED GUN-FREE ZONES.

302 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:17:56pm

re: #295 pingjockey

Patriot Guard Riders, of which I am one. A whole lot of veterans, on Harleys has a calming affect on assholes. We also screen the family from seeing Phelps and his things. I won't call the people.

I always wanted to thank them for doing that. So I will thank you for it.

303 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:18:05pm

BBL, dinner calls!

304 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:18:18pm

re: #302 CyanSnowHawk

I always wanted to thank them for doing that. So I will thank you for it.

Hear Hear!

305 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:18:19pm

re: #299 experiencedtraveller

Some heavy philosophical slugging last thread back; Moe Katz got whacked and Occasional Reader was caught nakedwith a lobster.

How are you ggt?

OR naked with a lobster?

Do tell!

306 Wishing  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:18:28pm

re: #297 JacksonTn

Because they are fricken lazy ...Santa Claus can't get take the blame for that ...

When you are trained to get something for nothing...well, yeah, it is a cultural problem we have developed.

307 pingjockey  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:18:52pm

re: #302 CyanSnowHawk
You are welcome and now I must really go, the better half is calling me to chow!

308 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:19:10pm

re: #295 pingjockey

Patriot Guard Riders, of which I am one. A whole lot of veterans, on Harleys has a calming affect on assholes. We also screen the family from seeing Phelps and his things. I won't call the people.

Glad to know you.

309 monkeytime  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:19:21pm

re: #302 CyanSnowHawk

I always wanted to thank them for doing that. So I will thank you for it.

The upding was not enough for what you do. Thank you twice - for your service then and your service now.

310 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:19:35pm

re: #301 ggt

Having an armed citizenry is the only reason attacks WON'T happen. Criminals of any type aren't stupid. They only go where they know they will succeed: i.e shopping malls, schools, post offices , DESIGNATED GUN-FREE ZONES.

Agreed. And there's a happy by-product of an armed citizenry. It gives the government pause.

311 BallTurretGunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:19:41pm

Speaking of pets and Santa,
The Fat Man should get Obama a bird and name it Tony Rezko the way he's said to be singing!

312 ggt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:19:46pm

re: #299 experiencedtraveller

Moe got whacked! --by Mandy or Charles?

I'm hangin' in there, thanks for askin.

having some trouble keeping my computer cord plugged in so I may suddendly run out of battery at any time.

313 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:19:48pm

re: #301 ggt

Having an armed citizenry is the only reason attacks WON'T happen. Criminals of any type aren't stupid. They only go where they know they will succeed: i.e shopping malls, schools, post offices , DESIGNATED GUN-FREE ZONES.

I cant imagine the bloodbath here in Albu if someone tried to take down a hotel or a mall...guns are everywhere...very pleasant people too...jus sayin

314 Attaboid  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:20:09pm

Heart test.

315 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:20:39pm

re: #309 monkeytime

The upding was not enough for what you do. Thank you twice - for your service then and your service now.

That was pingjockey. I don't ride, but I appreciate what the Patriot Guard is doing.

316 picaro  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:20:47pm

re: #291 CyanSnowHawk

Freedom riders were early 1960's civil rights protesters in the South. A number of years ago I was working for an FBI contractor transferring old fingerprints (from 1950's-1980's booking files) to digital databases - the AFIS Program. Quite a number of cards from Atlanta, Chattanooga, and Birmingham listed the charge as "freedom rider". I suppose that was against a local ordinance. We've come a ways since than.

317 ggt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:21:39pm

re: #311 BallTurretGunner

LOL, Now I want to buy a bird and name it "Tony R."

318 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:22:25pm

This liquor store clerk is alive tonight because he shot an armed robber dead.
He has not been charged, but, this is Massachusetts, I expect he will be charged with something, even though he was carrying legally. What is it they say, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

319 BallTurretGunner  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:22:44pm

I hear that Blago has a bird for sale (among other things)...

320 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:22:45pm

re: #305 JCM

Start here. Wicked funny.

321 ggt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:23:29pm

re: #320 experiencedtraveller

I AM NOT GOING THERE. I don't have enough battery.

322 Steffan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:23:58pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Powell: Palin needs to stop polarizing the party by talking up small-town values

AP put this clip up to let Hot Air readers rant but I think Powell is right.

1. All politics is local.

2. Building from the bottom up works better than building from the top down. The nimrods in Dizzy City have lost touch with the grassroots. They need to get reacquainted, big time.

323 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:24:35pm

re: #256 onepistoffyid

This is the best argument I have ever heard for complete liberalization of American gun laws...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

And a good example is what happened to the Dalton Gang at Coffeyville, Kansas. From Wiki:

The gang could have kept themselves busy with train robberies, but Bob Dalton wanted to make sure his name would long be remembered. He would, he claimed, "beat anything Jesse James ever did—rob two banks at once, in broad daylight." On October 5, 1892, the Dalton gang attempted this feat when they set out to rob the C.M. Condon & Company's Bank and the First National Bank in Coffeyville, Kansas. Since the locals were aware of what they looked like, they wore fake beards. But they were still identified by one of the townspeople.

While the gang was busy trying to hold up the banks, the people armed themselves and prepared for a gun battle. When the gang exited the banks, a shootout began. There were three townspeople shot, and Town Marshal Charles Connelly was killed when he ran into the street after hearing gunfire, returning fire before he died killing one member of the gang. Grat Dalton, Bob Dalton, Dick Broadwell and Bill Powers were killed. Emmett Dalton received 23 gunshot wounds and survived. He was given a life sentence in the Kansas penitentiary in Lansing, Kansas, of which he served 14 years before being pardoned. He moved to California and became a real estate agent, author and actor, and died in 1937 at age 66. Bill Doolin, "Bitter Creek" Newcomb, and Charlie Pierce were the only members left of the Dalton Gang, although none was present at the Coffeyville shootout. Speculation later suggested that there had been a sixth man holding horses in an alleyway and that he had escaped, and that man was believed to have been Bill Doolin. However, that has never been confirmed.

324 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:24:59pm

re: #313 albusteve

I cant imagine the bloodbath here in Albu if someone tried to take down a hotel or a mall...guns are everywhere...very pleasant people too...jus sayin

Heard a good interview on Dennis Miller a week or two back - with the author of a book (can't remember either name or title - big help I am) the gist of which was studying and debunking the myth of the Wild West and it's violence. Author cited homicide studies from the 1870's and 80's comparing frontier towns and Eastern towns and the homicide rate was much lower out west. Our image of the west is totally framed by Hollywood and it passes my common sense test that armed people out west were probably fairly polite to each other.

325 Wishing  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:24:59pm

re: #322 Steffan

100 updings!

326 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:25:01pm

Hey all. For you morning posters. I have some bad news.
Boeing (my new job) for what ever reason has now blocked LGF. I have no idea why, so if you don't see me in the mornings anymore. That's why.

)-:

327 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:25:10pm

re: #322 Steffan

1. All politics is local.

2. Building from the bottom up works better than building from the top down. The nimrods in Dizzy City have lost touch with the grassroots. They need to get reacquainted, big time.

Palin was the ONLY REASON I was excited by the McCain campaign. I still would have voted for him, but Sarah energized me. Just my $0.02.

328 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:26:06pm

re: #320 experiencedtraveller

Start here. Wicked funny.

ROFLMAO!

329 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:26:18pm

re: #322 Steffan

1. All politics is local.

2. Building from the bottom up works better than building from the top down. The nimrods in Dizzy City have lost touch with the grassroots. They need to get reacquainted, big time.

Wow, he is a bigger ass than I thought!

330 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:26:20pm

re: #234 rb4269

Like Terry Pratchett says in Hogfather children need to believe in the little things like Santa or the Tooth Fairy (or the Hogfather) so when they grow up they can believe in the BIG things like justice and mercy


Now that's by far the best answer I've seen so far.

331 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:26:22pm

Buzzsaw is still brawlin on the last thread...man that dude is en fruego!

332 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:26:38pm

re: #303 pingjockey

BBL, dinner calls!

you have talking food !?!?!?!

333 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:27:39pm

re: #300 pingjockey

That is the one thing we don't do. It would give Phelps even more attention. We form a flag line, or screen the family from these despicable things.

I'm not saying what Patriot Guard should do, I am saying what Satmar would do to Phelps.

334 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:27:56pm

re: #295 pingjockey

Patriot Guard Riders, of which I am one. A whole lot of veterans, on Harleys has a calming affect on assholes. We also screen the family from seeing Phelps and his things. I won't call the people.

Who were the guys who came into DC for the 4th of July? Rolling Thunder, or something? Anyway, they all went right past my house - for like two hours! It was AWESOME. People had cars pulled over on the sides of the roads, and were out on the shoulder filming the procession. Naturally, it was barely a blip in the local or national media. (I at least expected a snarky "Uneducated Redneck 'Patriots' Spew Carbon Emissions While Contributing to D.C. Smog Problems" column from the Washington Post).

335 davinvalkri  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:27:57pm

re: #322 Steffan

The article's title is a bit ambiguous. Does it mean she should stop polarizing the party BY talking about small-town values or that those small town values talks are polarizing the party?

Oh, and Steffan, I asked this question like a couple weeks ago: That's Ranma, right?

336 Wishing  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:28:27pm

re: #329 CapeCoddah

Wow, he is a bigger ass than I thought!

He is in bed with the Zero. The zero FEARS Sarah Palin. So Powell bashed her. Make Palin non-electable is the motto from the zero's camp.

337 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:28:50pm

re: #333 Alouette
I hear cattle prods work better? Hey ya never know?

338 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:29:38pm

re: #321 ggt

I AM NOT GOING THERE. I don't have enough battery.

Plus you will save yourself from some disturbing imagery... :)

Have you tried moving the computer a little closer to the power supply?

339 Geepers  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:30:33pm

JacksonTn (#270),

Kids today get too many toys for Christmas

Too many toys for Christmas?

Hell kids get toys every time they get a Happy Meal at McDonalds.

340 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:30:55pm

re: #336 Wishing

He is in bed with the Zero. The zero FEARS Sarah Palin. So Powell bashed her. Make Palin non-electable is the motto from the zero's camp.

Yes, I know, I lost all respect for him after the UN thing.

341 CapeCoddah  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:32:14pm

Well, Im off for now, gotta put the granddaughter to bed. BBL.

342 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:32:46pm

re: #340 CapeCoddah

Me too. I thought it was funny... during the Gulf war they made him the hero... Not even close. He stopped it when we caould have taken Saddam out the first time

343 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:32:48pm

re: #324 LGoPs

Heard a good interview on Dennis Miller a week or two back - with the author of a book (can't remember either name or title - big help I am) the gist of which was studying and debunking the myth of the Wild West and it's violence. Author cited homicide studies from the 1870's and 80's comparing frontier towns and Eastern towns and the homicide rate was much lower out west. Our image of the west is totally framed by Hollywood and it passes my common sense test that armed people out west were probably fairly polite to each other.

could be...read up about Las Vegas, New Mexico in the 1880s in terms of sheer gun violence...they learned as time went by...most violent crime out here is between Hispanic gang bangers...it is very backward in some regard because people are armed and thus...cautious...I love it here

344 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:32:48pm

re: #318 CapeCoddah

This liquor store clerk is alive tonight because he shot an armed robber dead.
He has not been charged, but, this is Massachusetts, I expect he will be charged with something, even though he was carrying legally. What is it they say, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

WA is very good on self defense.

Recent case...
Prosecutor will not file charges. The guy hears people breaking into cars at his apartment. He goes out on his balcony with a rifle, one of the perps reaches into his waist band, guy shoots and kills the car prowler.

Now even to me it's a iffy shoot, marginal. But WA give the benefit of the doubt to the person defending.

345 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:33:03pm

re: #341 CapeCoddah

Cool

346 davinvalkri  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:33:34pm

re: #336 Wishing

First time I read that I was wondering "Who's Zero?"

Then I started thinking of Obama...the One...oh yeah!

347 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:33:52pm

re: #339 Geepers

JacksonTn (#270),


Too many toys for Christmas?

Hell kids get toys every time they get a Happy Meal at McDonalds.

Bongo and Upding!

348 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:34:38pm

re: #344 JCM

Hey buddy.. if you didn't get my first post.. NO MORE early morning posting from Boeing. (LGF is blocked)

349 ggt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:34:50pm

re: #338 experiencedtraveller

No, the plug-in is wonky and the power cord is damaged. I've been fiddlin' with it for a week or so and can get it to work, but I think it will have to go into the Geek Guys for a repair. GRRR! This my second laptop since last Christmas and it needs a repair.

I am not happy.

I blame it all on the cat.

350 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:35:16pm

re: #342 Dustoff-507

Me too. I thought it was funny... during the Gulf war they made him the hero... Not even close. He stopped it when we caould have taken Saddam out the first time

To be fair, that wasn't his call (i'm not saying that he would have made a different decision, it's just that he was orderd to stop)

351 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:35:17pm

re: #310 LGoPs

Agreed. And there's a happy by-product of an armed citizenry. It gives the government pause.

A good example, the Athens Tennessee Rebellion
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

352 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:35:47pm

re: #349 ggt


It's NOT a Dell right?

353 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:35:49pm

re: #346 davinvalkri

First time I read that I was wondering "Who's Zero?"

Then I started thinking of Obama...the One...oh yeah!

Idea for bumper sticker:
PRAY FOR "0"! or PRAY FOR ZERO!

354 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:35:51pm

re: #336 Wishing

He is in bed with the Zero. The zero FEARS Sarah Palin. So Powell bashed her. Make Palin non-electable is the motto from the zero's camp.

Since when does Powell get a say? He endorsed Obama...
Maybe somebody on our side should start advising Biden and telling him to keep his party from acting treasonously...

355 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:35:53pm

re: #348 Dustoff-507

Hey buddy.. if you didn't get my first post.. NO MORE early morning posting from Boeing. (LGF is blocked)

Bummer!

*Guido voice on*
Youse wanse me to haves a talks wit dem schlubs in IT?

356 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:37:12pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

Sorry I disagree. He was the top dog. Bush would have gome on if he had said so. But they all got sick after the killing highway thing.

357 ggt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:37:22pm

re: #352 Dustoff-507

NO. HP.

358 solomonpanting  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:37:24pm
A poll taken since Blagojevich's arrest shows 73 percent of those surveyed support impeachment, and 70 percent think he should resign.

The other 30% are waiting to find out if one of them is the new Senator.

359 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:37:35pm

re: #354 LGoPs

Since when does Powell get a say? He endorsed Obama...
Maybe somebody on our side should start advising Biden and telling him to keep his party from acting treasonously...

but there's nobody on our side that has as high an IQ as Biden does, so he won't listen to us !

//

360 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:37:39pm

re: #355 JCM
LO, don't I WISH.. pissed as can be

361 Marvo76  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:37:44pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Powell: Palin needs to stop polarizing the party by talking up small-town values

AP put this clip up to let Hot Air readers rant but I think Powell is right.


I lost respect for him a few years ago, Now he slips down another notch, I happen to like small town values...

362 davinvalkri  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:38:02pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

"Have taken Trier with two divisions. What do you want me to do? Give it back?"
--General George Patton, after being ordered not to take Trier because of the belief that it would take 4 divisions to take it.

363 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:38:08pm

re: #357 ggt


OK, here at Boeing. ALL of our Dells are being re-called

364 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:38:40pm

re: #356 Dustoff-507

Sorry I disagree. He was the top dog. Bush would have gome on if he had said so. But they all got sick after the killing highway thing.

The UN was actually the 'top dog" and the mandate stated only that the mission was to remove Iraqi troops from Kuwait

365 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:39:03pm

re: #361 Marvo76

I lost respect for him a few years ago, Now he slips down another notch, I happen to like small town values...

peon!...move to that line over there...

366 Marvo76  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:39:27pm

re: #74 rawmuse

Powell is a toad. An ass kisser.

Stop it, you will give toads a bad name LOL

367 ggt  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:39:36pm

All right Lizards, I'm truly concerned about the power cord/battery life thingy. I'm going to log-off until I can get the blue light to go ON again.

I may not be back until I see the geek guys.

HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING!

368 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:39:42pm

re: #360 Dustoff-507

LO, don't I WISH.. pissed as can be

Is it something you can request be unblocked? Some systems are complete automated and key off certain words to generated a blocking list.

369 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:39:48pm

re: #366 Marvo76

Stop it, you will give toads a bad name LOL

not to mention ass kissers!

PUCKER !

370 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:39:58pm

re: #351 Son of the Black Dog

Good link...thanks

371 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:40:16pm

re: #367 ggt

All right Lizards, I'm truly concerned about the power cord/battery life thingy. I'm going to log-off until I can get the blue light to go ON again.
I may not be back until I see the geek guys.

HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING!

You at K Mart !?!?!?!

372 stevieray  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:40:41pm

re: #363 Dustoff-507

Set up a proxy through your home computer. It is supposedly not too hard to do. Then you could access LGF from work by bouncing through your home pc.

373 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:40:46pm

re: #364 sattv4u2
True... But, more then 80% of the fighting troops were US.
Sorry but screw the UN.

Look how fast they got in bed with Saddam after the war.

374 Marvo76  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:41:14pm

re: #85 Nevergiveup

I forsee two major bases in Iraq, one naval and one army probably near the kurds most likely.

375 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:41:25pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Now that's by far the best answer I've seen so far.

Sorta like what Tecumseh said:

When the legends die, the dreams end; there is no more greatness." -
-- Tecumseh

376 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:41:29pm

re: #359 sattv4u2

but there's nobody on our side that has as high an IQ as Biden does, so he won't listen to us !

//

That's right, I forgot...we're all stoopid. And of course, evil too...
MWAHAHAHA

377 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:41:52pm

re: #368 JCM


Can check into it... but Boeing is VERY PC. I may not wish to push my luck... even as a top person? 0-:

378 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:42:50pm

re: #376 LGoPs

That's right, I forgot...we're all stoopid. And of course, evil too...
MWAHAHAHA

Another t-shirt idea: Dumb, Stoopid, and Republican!

I'd take ten!

379 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:43:20pm

re: #378 Wyatt Earp

Another t-shirt idea: Dumb, Stoopid, and Republican!

I'd take ten!

we can't count that high ,.,,, we can go to five, twice !

380 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:43:24pm
381 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:43:46pm

re: #377 Dustoff-507

Can check into it... but Boeing is VERY PC. I may not wish to push my luck... even as a top person? 0-:

I hear you on that count.

382 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:03pm

re: #372 stevieray

Hmmm, I'll look into it. Thanks

383 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:06pm

re: #380 ploome hineni

anyone remember how many billions the UN people took as bribes from Saddam?

what is happening with that?

theres a certain senate seat from Illinois available !

384 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:07pm

re: #379 sattv4u2

we can't count that high ,.,,, we can go to five, twice !

I'm a guy, so I can go to 11. Actually, I'm Irish, so I can count to 10 1/2.

385 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:09pm

The best Christmas gift I ever received was the year I didn't want anything for Christmas except to be forgiven for something I had done. Someone pressured me to name something I wanted. I said, "how can you top redemption?"

Well- I was happy that Christmas. It's not about the material.

Ding me down if you want, but I could give two shits about Santa.

386 The Hoopster  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:28pm

Good Evening Lizards!
Hope everyone is well tonight..Gosh the Celtics are kicking Butt tonight.

387 Bosch Fawstin  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:34pm

I'll be on The Infidel Alliance Radio Show tonight around 8:30 pacific time, talking about my upcoming collection of counter-jihad cartoons, 'ProPiganda: Drawing the Line Against Jihad', featuring Pigman.

388 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:37pm

re: #368 JCM

Is it something you can request be unblocked? Some systems are complete automated and key off certain words to generated a blocking list.

Lately, my work filter blocks every search about guns.

It's playing hell with my shopping.

389 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:40pm

re: #380 ploome hineni

anyone remember how many billions the UN people took as bribes from Saddam?

what is happening with that?

Koffee Kups Kid and to give up the Mercedes G-Wagon.

390 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:44:51pm

re: #380 ploome hineni

A few rich people...

391 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:45:42pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

Lately, my work filter blocks every search about guns.

It's playing hell with my shopping.

That's a serious downer.

392 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:46:21pm

re: #385 Sharmuta


Naaa no ding. Santa is for the kids. I hope we never lose that.

393 Steffan  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:47:09pm

re: #323 Son of the Black Dog

Northfield, MN is even better.

394 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:47:19pm

re: #356 Dustoff-507

Sorry I disagree. He was the top dog. Bush would have gome on if he had said so. But they all got sick after the killing highway thing.

I never really got that Highway of Death thing. It was a retreating army, which is still a fair target - so you don't have to kill it later. If it was surrendering that's different but they weren't. It's only in the crazed, leftist liberal world that you have to give them a fair chance...not in real life.
I don't know how the hell you fight with the media staring over your shoulder.

395 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:48:25pm

re: #385 Sharmuta

The best Christmas gift I ever received was the year I didn't want anything for Christmas except to be forgiven for something I had done. Someone pressured me to name something I wanted. I said, "how can you top redemption?"

Well- I was happy that Christmas. It's not about the material.

Ding me down if you want, but I could give two shits about Santa.

That's cool.
I want Santa to come to my house and take stuff away.

396 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:48:54pm

re: #393 Steffan

Northfield, MN is even better.

That's the one I started out looking for. Thanks! It is a better example.

397 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:49:10pm

re: #395 FrogMarch

That's cool.
I want Santa to come to my house and take stuff away.

That I could get into. My better half is a bit of a pack rat.

398 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:49:34pm

re: #394 LGoPs


I don't either. As a Nam vet myself. I never let a reporter on my bird when it came time to save one of my guys.

399 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:49:41pm

re: #395 FrogMarch

That's cool.
I want Santa to come to my house and take stuff away.

Me too. I want to get rid of an old bag of mine

(but I wake up every morning and she's still laying next to me !)

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

400 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:49:48pm

re: #394 LGoPs

I never really got that Highway of Death thing. It was a retreating army, which is still a fair target - so you don't have to kill it later. If it was surrendering that's different but they weren't. It's only in the crazed, leftist liberal world that you have to give them a fair chance...not in real life.
I don't know how the hell you fight with the media staring over your shoulder.

It's like being a cop. And while I would never compare what I do to what our troops do, it's difficult to do your job when you are second-guessed at every turn. I know.

401 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:50:06pm

re: #362 davinvalkri

"Have taken Trier with two divisions. What do you want me to do? Give it back?"
--General George Patton, after being ordered not to take Trier because of the belief that it would take 4 divisions to take it.

My Dad served under General Patton, some of his quotes are priceless

"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
- General George Patton Jr.

402 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:50:21pm

re: #375 Thanos

Although I don't agree I can dig the sentiment.

403 right_on_target  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:50:23pm

re: #318 CapeCoddah

This liquor store clerk is alive tonight because he shot an armed robber dead.
He has not been charged, but, this is Massachusetts, I expect he will be charged with something, even though he was carrying legally. What is it they say, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]


___
The guy was shot dead as he allegedly tried to hold up a Worcester liquor store.

404 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:50:55pm

re: #378 Wyatt Earp

Another t-shirt idea: Dumb, Stoopid, and Republican!

I'd take ten!

Don't forget the EEEVIL part...it doesn't work without that
:)

405 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:50:57pm

re: #399 sattv4u2


DUDE...LOL
Wrong. (-:

406 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:51:33pm

re: #394 LGoPs

I never really got that Highway of Death thing. It was a retreating army, which is still a fair target - so you don't have to kill it later. If it was surrendering that's different but they weren't. It's only in the crazed, leftist liberal world that you have to give them a fair chance...not in real life.
I don't know how the hell you fight with the media staring over your shoulder.

An Army is an Army until it surrenders.
An enemy Army is a target.

Period. End of story.

Weapons Free.

407 Desert Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:51:44pm

Put up the plexiglass in front of the TV, get out the barf bags and get ready to cry BULLSHIT...it's Che - The Trailer!

408 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:51:47pm

re: #394 LGoPs

I never really got that Highway of Death thing. It was a retreating army, which is still a fair target - so you don't have to kill it later. If it was surrendering that's different but they weren't. It's only in the crazed, leftist liberal world that you have to give them a fair chance...not in real life.
I don't know how the hell you fight with the media staring over your shoulder.

Actually, it was the Highway of Burning Vehicles. Most of the Iraqis in those vehicles got out in time, ran into the adjacent desert, were not killed, and walked to Basra.

409 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:52:08pm

re: #403 right_on_target

___
The guy was shot dead as he allegedly tried to hold up a Worcester liquor store.

maybe the liquor store clerk will get off scott free if his lawyer points out that the guy that was shot is only "ALLEGEDLY" dead !

410 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:52:13pm

re: #401 Yankee Division Son


Damn true. I much I miss that man. (PATTON) No PC with him.

411 albusteve  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:52:15pm

re: #394 LGoPs

I never really got that Highway of Death thing. It was a retreating army, which is still a fair target - so you don't have to kill it later. If it was surrendering that's different but they weren't. It's only in the crazed, leftist liberal world that you have to give them a fair chance...not in real life.
I don't know how the hell you fight with the media staring over your shoulder.

it was a massacre...very ugly...it swiftly became a slaughter of epic proportion...therein lies the conumdrum

412 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:52:39pm

re: #404 LGoPs

Don't forget the EEEVIL part...it doesn't work without that
:)


D'oh! Sorry!

413 The Hoopster  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:53:21pm

re: #385 Sharmuta

The best Christmas gift I ever received was the year I didn't want anything for Christmas except to be forgiven for something I had done. Someone pressured me to name something I wanted. I said, "how can you top redemption?"

Well- I was happy that Christmas. It's not about the material.

Ding me down if you want, but I could give two shits about Santa.

What a nice story Sharm..
Now you've got me thinking...mmm nicest Christmas present EVAH! What was it?
I like the present we kids gave dad last year.. It is called the Indy Racing experience.. You get to drive around the race track with a pro driver.
They get you suited up and the do some training and then the run 180 mph laps around the indy 500.
My dad was totally blown away..We were there.. It was so cool.
That was payback for all those night shifts he worked when we were kids..
I love Christmas

414 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:53:21pm

re: #397 JCM

That I could get into. My better half is a bit of a pack rat.

Rather than all this buying buying buying we should all have a huge exchange party. I'm not a pack rat at all, but it still seems to pile up. I don't want it!

415 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:54:21pm

re: #411 albusteve

it was a massacre...very ugly...it swiftly became a slaughter of epic proportion...therein lies the conumdrum

War is all hell.
An armed enemy army is a target.

416 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:54:25pm

re: #411 albusteve


NO... until a white flag goes up and weapons on the ground. YOUR a target.

417 Pietr  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:54:25pm

re: #321 ggt

If you have a Penlight/small LED lite, check to see if one of the pins to your power cord are bent. Missus did that to me once. I used a small jewelers screwdriver and fine needle nose pliers to straighten it-fortunately without breaking it off.

418 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:55:17pm

re: #407 Desert Dog

Put up the plexiglass in front of the TV, get out the barf bags and get ready to cry BULLSHIT...it's Che - The Trailer!

Hollywood adores killer Che. thug huggers.

419 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:55:52pm

re: #418 FrogMarch

Hollywood adores killer Che. thug huggers.

Bugger the thug huggers.

420 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:56:01pm

re: #410 Dustoff-507

Damn true. I much I miss that man. (PATTON) No PC with him.

PC? He didn't know what that meant. And it was a good thing :)

"We want to get the hell over there. The quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit."
- General George S. Patton, Jr
(addressing to his troops before Operation Overlord, June 5, 1944)

421 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:56:03pm

re: #399 sattv4u2

Me too. I want to get rid of an old bag of mine

(but I wake up every morning and she's still laying next to me !)

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

booo hisss

422 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:56:13pm

re: #391 JCM

That's a serious downer.

Well, I've started doing google searches of "how to plan workplace shooting spree IT department target", just to see if they're paying attention.

/

423 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:56:26pm

re: #385 Sharmuta

The best Christmas gift I ever received was the year I didn't want anything for Christmas except to be forgiven for something I had done. Someone pressured me to name something I wanted. I said, "how can you top redemption?"

Well- I was happy that Christmas. It's not about the material.

Ding me down if you want, but I could give two shits about Santa.

In my upbringing we didn't have Santa...my parents told us the angels brought our presents. They'd put them out on Christmas Eve while we were made to stay in a different part of the house and then my Dad (who was the angel) would tinkle a bell, signaling that the angels had come.
Only Santa reference was on Dec 6, St Nicholas (sic) Day - get some candy stuffed in your shoes...

424 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:57:11pm

re: #411 albusteve

Believe me, until you've been in real combat. This is all BS.
You fight to kill , if NOT your dead.

Sorry it's life and very real.

425 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:57:33pm

re: #413 HoosierHoops

The best gift I ever got for Christmas was redemption- that He so loved me He sent His only Son. What a gift.

426 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:57:41pm

re: #422 Occasional Reader

Well, I've started doing google searches of "how to plan workplace shooting spree IT department target", just to see if they're paying attention.

/

ROFL!
Bad, very bad... very funny.

427 The Hoopster  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:58:25pm

re: #423 LGoPs

In my upbringing we didn't have Santa...my parents told us the angels brought our presents. They'd put them out on Christmas Eve while we were made to stay in a different part of the house and then my Dad (who was the angel) would tinkle a bell, signaling that the angels had come.
Only Santa reference was on Dec 6, St Nicholas (sic) Day - get some candy stuffed in your shoes...

That is a cool story.. I've never heard that before...

428 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:58:55pm

re: #420 Yankee Division Son


Yeah.. he was never a lover of Marines. Me being an Army Medic may not be the best of judge! LOL

429 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:59:09pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

theres a certain senate seat from Illinois available !

heh, certain Governors seat is coming up also. Interesting that; didn't his LT Gov just resign a week or so ago?

430 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:59:26pm

re: #423 LGoPs

In my upbringing we didn't have Santa...my parents told us the angels brought our presents. They'd put them out on Christmas Eve while we were made to stay in a different part of the house and then my Dad (who was the angel) would tinkle a bell, signaling that the angels had come.
Only Santa reference was on Dec 6, St Nicholas (sic) Day - get some candy stuffed in your shoes...


To this day you still walk funny, huh !

431 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 5:59:48pm

re: #419 JCM

Bugger the thug huggers.

That should be on a t-shirt

from the link:

Gisele Bundchen wears him on the runway, Johnny Depp wears him around his neck, and Benicio Del Toro becomes him in the new, highly acclaimed, two-part epic film from Steven Soderbergh, Che. Ernesto "Che" Guevara, the revolutionary who helped found communist Cuba, is the celebrity that celebrities adore. And be it Madonna, Rage Against the Machine, or Jay-Z, musicians really dig Che.

It’s something that baffles Cuban jazz legend Paquito D’Rivera. “Che hated artists, so how is it possible that artists still today support the image of Che Guevara?” Turns out the rebellious icon that emblazons countless T-shirts actually enforced aesthetic and political conformity. D’Rivera explains that Che and other Cuban authorities sought to ban rock and roll and jazz.

432 The Hoopster  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:01:08pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

The best gift I ever got for Christmas was redemption- that He so loved me He sent His only Son. What a gift.

Merry Christmas Sharm

433 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:01:08pm

re: #418 FrogMarch

Hollywood adores killer Che. thug huggers.

And yet, oddly, the Hollywood elite keep forgetting to expatriate themselves to communist Cuba. They just never seem to find the time.

434 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:01:57pm

Maddona and Johnny Depp love Che. such A-holes.

He ordered the execution of many people with no trial.” Che served as Castro’s chief executioner, presiding over the infamous La Cabana prison. D’Rivera says Che’s policy of killing innocents earned him the nickname—the Butcher of La Cabana.


Anyone who worships commie che is a total [bleeping] moron.

435 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:02:26pm

re: #433 Occasional Reader

And yet, oddly, the Hollywood elite keep forgetting to expatriate themselves to communist Cuba. They just never seem to find the time.

I really would they would find the time.

436 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:03:01pm

re: #400 Wyatt Earp

It's like being a cop. And while I would never compare what I do to what our troops do, it's difficult to do your job when you are second-guessed at every turn. I know.

I hear ya. My brother in law was Chicago PD and he told me lots of stories. I've always felt a kinship with cops...
What I'd like to do is put a videocam on the godammed reporters and watch their ass under a microscope...

437 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:04:02pm

re: #435 FrogMarch

I really wish they would find the time.

fixed. (pimf)

438 Dustoff-507  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:04:04pm

OK, you fine people. I have a puppy to feed & myself. Have a great evening.

JCM You still have the foster kids? if so... BUDDY enjoy them even more.
I take my hat off to YOU sir.

Take care all! (-:

439 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:04:25pm

re: #424 Dustoff-507

Believe me, until you've been in real combat. This is all BS.
You fight to kill , if NOT your dead.

Sorry it's life and very real.

Fact. :-(>

440 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:04:32pm

re: #432 HoosierHoops

Merry Christmas, HH.

441 The Hoopster  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:05:35pm

re: #438 Dustoff-507

OK, you fine people. I have a puppy to feed & myself. Have a great evening.

JCM You still have the foster kids? if so... BUDDY enjoy them even more.
I take my hat off to YOU sir.

Take care all! (-:

***
Holding on to my hat as dust-off,,takes off
***
Good-bye

442 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:06:19pm

re: #431 FrogMarch

Andy Garcia's movie "The Lost City" is pretty good about documenting that, the critics naturally hate it. I liked the movie, but it's not a happy one.

[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]

443 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:06:58pm

re: #430 sattv4u2

To this day you still walk funny, huh !

LOL

444 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:07:22pm

more about Che's and Mao's useful idiots:

Che, Castro, all the communist regimes idolized only one thing that Mao personifies—violence.” Kai Chen grew up in China under the reign of Mao Zedong. Although he won gold medals for China’s national basketball team, Chen’s was far from the celebrity life of an NBA star. Says Chen, “You have no right to talk, and you have no right to think.”

The punishment for questioning Mao’s authority was often death. The Black Book of Communism estimates that Mao is responsible for the deaths of 65 million people—a figure that dwarfs even Hitler’s body count. “Mao is a murderer,” says Chen. “The biggest mass murderer in human history.”

And yet, like Che, Mao’s image is becoming an increasingly popular way to move merchandise. You can buy Mao t-shirts, mugs, caps—you name it. Near Chen’s Los Angeles home there’s even a restaurant called Mao’s Kitchen. “Can you imagine a restaurant called Hitler’s Kitchen?” asks Gillespie.

American leftists are serious fucktards.

445 JCM  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:07:52pm

re: #438 Dustoff-507

OK, you fine people. I have a puppy to feed & myself. Have a great evening.

JCM You still have the foster kids? if so... BUDDY enjoy them even more.
I take my hat off to YOU sir.

Take care all! (-:

Just one right now, one went to family a couple weeks ago.

446 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:10:02pm

re: #442 Thanos

Andy Garcia's movie "The Lost City" is pretty good about documenting that, the critics naturally hate it. I liked the movie, but it's not a happy one.

[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]

I detest hollywood. I seriously hate 80-90% of those [bleepers]
They can rot.

I will not pay to see any movie with a left-winger in the movie.

447 solomonpanting  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:10:13pm

re: #393 Steffan

Northfield, MN is even better.

There's a somewhat sympathetic view for the Cole Younger POV on this excellent album from 30 something years ago.

448 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:10:33pm

re: #444 FrogMarch

more about Che's and Mao's useful idiots:


American leftists are serious fucktards.

Stupidity is their right, I guess but I draw the line at when they try to be in charge. Then the stupidity gets deadly serious...

449 LGoPs  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:15:36pm

And now for something completely different:

A burglar broke into a house and shined his flashlight around looking
for valuables.
He picked up a CD player when a strange, disembodied voice echoed from the dark saying: 'Jesus is watching you.'
He nearly jumped out of his skin, clicked off his flashlight and
froze. When he heard nothing more he continued. Just as he pulled the
stereo out he heard: 'Jesus is watching you.'
Freaked out, he shined his light around frantically. Finally, in the
corner of the room his light beam came to rest on a parrot.
'Did you say that?' he hissed at the parrot.
'Yep,' the parrot confessed, then squawked, 'I'm just trying to warn
you that he's watching you.'
The burglar relaxed. 'Warn me, huh? Who in the world are you?'
'Moses,' replied the bird.
'Moses?' the burglar laughed. 'What kind of people would name a bird Moses?'
'The kind that would name a Rottweiler Jesus.'

450 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:22:35pm

re: #442 Thanos

Andy Garcia's movie "The Lost City" is pretty good about documenting that, the critics naturally hate it. I liked the movie, but it's not a happy one.

[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]

Thanks for the movie tip. It's on my list. I'll be sure to see it. Also - It will make a great gift for a certain che-loving semi-family member.

451 jumplandpackrepeat  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 6:32:53pm

re: #129 zombie

Looks like those moms need to take a look at the Toddler's Creed and then have a look at themselves...I hope they went home and after their idiotic rage subsided, they were mortified with their behavior, but I very much doubt it.

The Toddler's Creed
If I want it, it's mine.
If I give it to you and change my mind later, it's mine.
If I can take it away from you, it's mine.
If I had it a little while ago, it's mine.
If it's mine, it will never belong to anybody else, no matter what.
If we are building something together, all the pieces are mine.
If it looks just like mine, it is mine.

452 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 7:01:40pm

re: #129 zombie

I fear for our country. moonbats are crazy - and I'm not looking forward to their offspring running things.

453 Beller0ph1  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 7:26:17pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

Just watched that last night. My mom didn't like it, so we never grew up with it as a Christmas movie. I had to marry my Wife in order to make it a tradition in our new household. It's classic!

454 kansas  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 7:50:08pm

Has Al Franken stolen the Minnesota senate seat yet?

455 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 8:27:06pm

By sheer coincidence I heard an interesting interview on the radio this evening. A Jewish female author was plugging her book, and she related what she saw as an interesting biblical example of secular independent morality.

Following God's stated intention to kill all the inhabitants of Sodom, Abraham displayed an independent moral position which was not derived from anything that God had dictated.

Abraham stood up to and took on God concerning what Abraham considered to be His intemperate sentence. He then proceeded to negotiate with God to reduce the cost of sparing the population from 50 down to 10 righteous men.

Abraham's desire to save the Sodomites and his heroic efforts to do so demonstrated a non-religious based morality. In this biblical story God started out as the harsh unmerciful one, while Abraham was the voice of compassion, mercy and reason.

Food for thought?

456 Marvo76  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 8:47:39pm

re: #252 Outrider

Shoot. Try walking around the mall or Walmart with a full beard at this time of year. :-)>

That's actually fun, I had a little kid come right around the corner face to face with me, while holing mommy's hand. I could see his face suddenly change and looked really astonished (of course the red hat with white trim I wear every year at this time for my "spirit" really helped) I looked him right in the eye and asked him "have you been good?" the wide eyes and the little head nodding as fast as he could bout made me pee myself, trying not to laugh. The mother winked at me as she went on, with the little kid looking back over his shoulder the whole way...

457 Marvo76  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 8:51:15pm

re: #263 Alouette

I filled out an ATF form llike that before they changed to the new one, the guy at the gun store about had a fit but let it ride saying "it is you they will come after not me" I told him "let them prove I'm not" LOL

458 carefulnow  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 10:05:40pm

re: #455 Spare O'Lake

Pagan!

/

459 YankeeBoy  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 10:10:45pm

puppies? Who, where? Close Encounters or the Third Kind is on now.


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