Overnight Open Thread
Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking.
— Dave Barry
Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking.
— Dave Barry
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:09:15pm |
Obama has done more to besmirch the “Office of the President Elect” more than anyone in American history. Discuss.
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:09:44pm |
re: #3 gmsc
Obama has done more to besmirch the “Office of the President Elect”
morethan anyone in American history. Discuss.
PIMF
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Cognito Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:12:14pm |
re: #3 gmsc
Obama has done more to besmirch the “Office of the President Elect” more than anyone in American history. Discuss.
Such as?
I'm not saying his hasn't, I'm just looking for a catalogue.
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pat Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:18:34pm |
I see that Mexico has announced a carbon cap. lol. Like no one has been to Mexico. /
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pat Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:21:07pm |
I always knew I was a few electrons short of a volt. Underpowered.
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Sharmuta Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:21:31pm |
re: #6 Cognito
Yeah- I'm still waiting for you to give the name of a President-elect more corrupt than 0bama.
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:21:32pm |
re: #6 Cognito
Such as?
I'm not saying his hasn't, I'm just looking for a catalogue.
For one, he's the only one to have ever claimed the existence of an "Office of the President Elect"!
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jhn1 Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:23:37pm |
Wait til they pass the UAW bailout.
And the WTO steps in, on behalf of every nonUS competing auto and truck mfg in the world.
and every nonUS competing auto replacement parts manufacturer (Mopar, Motorcraft, and AC Delco make parts for a wide range of competitor's vehicles)
oh, and every nonUS sales outlet that sells competing product (all types)
It won't be a piddling $15T
and they will be right (per the treaty forbidding subsidies)
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:26:14pm |
re: #13 jhn1
We can start listening to something the WTO has to say after they have taken care of Airbus.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:27:30pm |
Night all. Too little time until the alarm clock tomorrow morning.
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:28:36pm |
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Outrider Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:31:21pm |
re: #12 gmsc
For one, he's the only one to have ever claimed the existence of an "Office of the President Elect"!
And had a seal made to put on his podium. And had a special .gov web site as President-elect. Special. As TFK would say. Special. Like that.
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:33:06pm |
re: #17 Outrider
And had a seal made to put on his podium. And had a special .gov web site as President-elect. Special. As TFK would say. Special. Like that.
Maybe his typical white grandmother told him he was special!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:33:36pm |
Not seeing any electrons yet. Guess that means I can have one more drink.LOL
How are all of you night owls doing?
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:35:07pm |
re: #19 Pvt Bin Jammin
Not seeing any electrons yet. Guess that means I can have one more drink.LOL
How are all of you night owls doing?
Please! The proper phraseology is "Office of Night Owl-elect"! The royal "we" are doing just fine!
///
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The Other Les Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:37:40pm |
re: #20 gmsc
Please! The proper phraseology is "Office of Night Owl-elect"! The royal "we" are doing just fine!
///
We are not amused.
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:37:51pm |
re: #13 jhn1
Wait til they pass the UAW bailout.
And the WTO steps in, on behalf of every nonUS competing auto and truck mfg in the world.
and every nonUS competing auto replacement parts manufacturer (Mopar, Motorcraft, and AC Delco make parts for a wide range of competitor's vehicles)
oh, and every nonUS sales outlet that sells competing product (all types)It won't be a piddling $15T
and they will be right (per the treaty forbidding subsidies)
So, we may still be able to get our free Gore-approved Pelosi-mobiles?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:37:51pm |
re: #20 gmsc
Pardon me, your "highnesses". Glad you're doing royaly well.
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Outrider Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:38:24pm |
re: #18 gmsc
Maybe his typical white grandmother told him he was special!
eh. She was probably watching the Jerry Lewis telethon at the time.
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:39:35pm |
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Outrider Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:40:35pm |
re: #22 The Other Les
We are not amused.
I, on the other hand, am chortling over the "we are not amused"
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The Other Les Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:42:51pm |
re: #26 gmsc
Quick reminder: The slashies at the end of a message communicate I'm being facetious. The more slashies, the less seriously you should take the message itself.
Must remember to use quotation marks or slashes.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:42:53pm |
re: #26 gmsc
I wasn't criticizing, forgot my ///.
Glad your non- royal self is doing well as well. LOL
Slow here tonight.
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:44:17pm |
re: #29 Pvt Bin Jammin
I wasn't criticizing, forgot my ///.
Glad your non- royal self is doing well as well. LOLSlow here tonight.
Less than 40 messages in, and I'm already schizophrenic!
;)
Yeah, it is slow. Maybe everyone is celebrating the busting of the auto bailout deal!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:50:41pm |
re: #30 gmsc
Less than 40 messages in, and I'm already schizophrenic!
;)Yeah, it is slow. Maybe everyone is celebrating the busting of the auto bailout deal!
Maybe so. I was kinda glad about it. Problem is the next bailout proposal will probably be a sweeter deal than this, just like the big bail out. How much more of these bailouts can we take? If we could only break the union I think then it would be okay but it's not going to happen.
My poor Dad was a small town GM dealer. Worked like a dog, missed paydays, etc. Those union a**holes made a heck of a lot more than he did.
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gmsc Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:56:28pm |
re: #32 Pvt Bin Jammin
Maybe so. I was kinda glad about it. Problem is the next bailout proposal will probably be a sweeter deal than this, just like the big bail out. How much more of these bailouts can we take? If we could only break the union I think then it would be okay but it's not going to happen.
My poor Dad was a small town GM dealer. Worked like a dog, missed paydays, etc. Those union a**holes made a heck of a lot more than he did.
All we can do is take it one step at a time. The Democrats don't have a filibuster-proof majority, so those who have Republican senators can push them to filibuster.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:59:08pm |
re: #33 gmsc
Thank God we don't yet have a filibuster proof congress.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:00:24am |
re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin
Thank God we don't yet have a filibuster proof congress.
...and won't until at least through the 2010 election.
Being in Vegas, I'll do my part to get rid of Reid! (He's up for re-election in 2010).
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:09:31am |
re: #35 gmsc
I thought you might be from Vegas. I grew up in "enrohtwaH" LOL That's where my dad had his business. It wasn't too bad in the beginning with all of the military there. He sold the Pontiac GTO's to the military, the Cadillacs to the casino bigwigs and Buicks to most of the town folks.
I cant stand Harry Reid. Met him once at a funeral for my dear republican friend, Jack, who was the owner/editor of our local newspaper. I was insulted that he was even there. His column was called "Jasper". Jack/Jasper was well-loved by Nevada republicans. He had the dirt on quite a few people in the state. I hope his daughters didn't throw away his files.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:11:57am |
re: #38 TheMatrix31
Hooray...I can drink legally!
Happy Birthday, Matrix!
You can also gamble - come visit Vegas!
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:13:01am |
re: #38 TheMatrix31
Kinda loses it's novelty after the first few weeks...
/but think of all the electrons you can count!
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:13:20am |
re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin
I thought you might be from Vegas. I grew up in "enrohtwaH" LOL That's where my dad had his business. It wasn't too bad in the beginning with all of the military there. He sold the Pontiac GTO's to the military, the Cadillacs to the casino bigwigs and Buicks to most of the town folks.
I cant stand Harry Reid. Met him once at a funeral for my dear republican friend, Jack, who was the owner/editor of our local newspaper. I was insulted that he was even there. His column was called "Jasper". Jack/Jasper was well-loved by Nevada republicans. He had the dirt on quite a few people in the state. I hope his daughters didn't throw away his files.
I never tagged him for someone who understood other people's sensibilities.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:13:28am |
re: #39 gmsc
Happy Birthday, Matrix!
You can also gamble - come visit Vegas!
I might in a couple of weeks actually. I was thinking of coming this weekend but a lot of my buddies still have their finals and whatnot.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:14:23am |
re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin
Sounds like quite an inheritance...
Not sure what I'd do with that sort of info if that were dropped into my lap.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:16:23am |
re: #42 TheMatrix31
I might in a couple of weeks actually. I was thinking of coming this weekend but a lot of my buddies still have their finals and whatnot.
I like what some of the pit bosses say about IDing people: "When they're under 21, they behave like they hope their fake ID will pass muster. When they're over 21, they have trouble finding their ID, but have no problem with you asking. When they're exactly 21, they're showing their ID to total strangers the second they step into the casinos!"
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:17:26am |
re: #45 gmsc
I like what some of the pit bosses say about IDing people: "When they're under 21, they behave like they hope their fake ID will pass muster. When they're over 21, they have trouble finding their ID, but have no problem with you asking. When they're exactly 21, they're showing their ID to total strangers the second they step into the casinos!"
LOL. That's hilarious. I figure I'll be annoyed with everyone asking me constantly.
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shipper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:18:01am |
I'd humbly like to announce that today I independently coined the term "Preselect Obama(TM)" ("preselected" by the media, of course).
If anyone is aware of another use of this term out there, feel free to let me know. I promise I haven't seen it elsewhere.
See my post on armchairgov.com. It's not my blog but I am a contributor. We are looking for more contributors to be Armchair Cabinet Members, by the way.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:19:29am |
re: #38 TheMatrix31
Hooray...I can drink legally!
As littleoldlady put it last night . . . Happy Birthday, Matrix!
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:21:37am |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:22:26am |
re: #43 Fenway_Nation
I actually told him if the girls didn't want them I'd love to take them. LOL I might be in hiding now, if I had them. We also were friends with the sheriff, and his sons, who was elected many times, I'd say, through the fifties, sixties and part of the seventies. (We had people coming into town with submachine guns when I was a teenager in the sixties and I didn't know it until later. ) He was a member of some law enforcement committee on organized crime.. OMG He has also passed away but he told me a few things and his kids have told me more.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:27:10am |
re: #48 gmsc
re: #49 Erik The Red
Happy Birthday Matrix.
As littleoldlady put it last night . . . Happy Birthday, Matrix!
Thanks guys! Yum, Marilyn Monroe.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:28:28am |
re: #51 TheMatrix31
re: #49 Erik The Red
Thanks guys! Yum, Marilyn Monroe.
A treat for you, and helps cheer us up after the loss of Bettie Page yesterday.
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:30:09am |
re: #38 TheMatrix31
As Sheriff John used to sing:
Put another candle on my birthday cake,
We're gonna bake a birthday cake.
Put another candle on my birthday cake,
I'm another year old to-day.
I'm going to have a party with my birthday cake,
C'mon and taste some birthday cake.
Put another candle on my birthday cake,
I'm another year old to-day.
We'll have some pie and sandwiches, and chocolate ice cream too.
We'll sing and play the day away, and one more thing I'm gonna do ...
I'll blow out the candles on my birthday cake,
And when I do, a wish I'll make!
Put another candle on my birthday cake,
I'm another year old to-day.
I grew up watching him.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:31:33am |
Hmm...I didn't know she ended up passing away. That's sad!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:34:25am |
I was sad to hear about Bettie Page. All the GI's loved her back in the day. At least it seems she had a long life. RIP Bettie.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:38:32am |
This was sent to me in an e-mail recently. It's a slow night, so I figured this would perk up the conversation:
When in England , at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building' by George Bush.
He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'
You could have heard a pin drop.
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying 'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intended to do, bomb them?'
A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck.
We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?'
You could have heard a pin drop
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A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, 'whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English.' He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?'
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe it's because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'
You could have heard a pin drop.
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AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE...
Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.
'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the customs officer asked sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously ..
'Then you should know enough to have your passport ready.'
The American said, 'The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it.'
'Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !'
The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained.
'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in '44 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to.'
You could have heard a pin drop.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:39:52am |
I just heard about Bettie Paige courtesey of #52 (I knew she was hospitalized earlier...
Bettie Paige set the standard that I compare most pop-culture beauties to. Needless to say, this latest batch of gutter skanks, spoiled whores and f*cked up headcases falls woefully short of that standard.
Truly the end of an era...
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:42:07am |
re: #59 Fenway_Nation
I just heard about Bettie Paige courtesey of #52 (I knew she was hospitalized earlier...
Bettie Paige set the standard that I compare most pop-culture beauties to. Needless to say, this latest batch of gutter skanks, spoiled whores and f*cked up headcases falls woefully short of that standard.
Truly the end of an era...
That's because Bettie was beautiful inside, beautiful in attitude AND beautiful in looks!
The ones these days barely achieve it in looks!
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:45:46am |
I just watched this and am laughing my ass off.
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:47:31am |
re: #6 Cognito
Such as?
I'm not saying his hasn't, I'm just looking for a catalogue.
use a colonoscopy set: you'll be able to see where you head is and video tape it too.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:49:15am |
re: #61 TheMatrix31
I just watched this and am laughing my ass off.
That's great! Updinged and favorited!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:49:34am |
re: #58 gmsc
I put that in my favorites and I wish I could give it more than one plus.
I'd better fade out of LGF now. I was tired when I started posting. LOL I think I see an electron, not sure though.
PS Get rid of Harry.
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:50:13am |
re: #62 redc1c4
use a colonoscopy set: you'll be able to see where you head is and video tape it too.
Come on red tell us how you really feel/
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:51:06am |
re: #62 redc1c4
use a colonoscopy set: you'll be able to see where you head is and video tape it too.
LMAO.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:55:24am |
re: #64 Pvt Bin Jammin
I put that in my favorites and I wish I could give it more than one plus.
I'd better fade out of LGF now. I was tired when I started posting. LOL I think I see an electron, not sure though.
PS Get rid of Harry.
Thanks. Good night, and I'll do my part to get rid of him!
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:55:28am |
re: #25 Outrider
if you read this, and you have not already updinged #25, please do so.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:55:50am |
re: #62 redc1c4
use a colonoscopy set: you'll be able to see where you head is and video tape it too.
Welcome, red!
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:00:39am |
re: #65 Erik The Red
Come on red tell us how you really feel/
sorry: i battle carry Sabot, so you get what you get.
/like Canister would be any prettier at this range... %-)
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SurferDoc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:02:16am |
re: #17 Outrider
And had a seal made to put on his podium. And had a special .gov web site as President-elect. Special. As TFK would say. Special. Like that.
What a dick. Who the hell does stuff like that?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:02:57am |
re: #63 gmsc
I just remembered a little old book , and I think it is called the "Green Felt Jungle". It is suppossdly based on fact.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:04:58am |
re: #71 SurferDoc
Did he really say something about 'rebooting' America's image in the world/M.E.?
/F*cking community organizers...
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SurferDoc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:06:35am |
I'd reboot America's image, too. I'd put our boot up their asses.
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mean Gene Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:08:22am |
Fox News broke a story that Rahm Emanuel had been taped talking to Gov. Blagojevich about 0bama's replacement.
Uh oh.
That explains all the careful parsing by ''the 0ne.''
Link to video:
[Link: www.myfoxchicago.com...]
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:09:47am |
re: #76 SurferDoc
I'd reboot America's image, too. I'd put our boot up their asses.
WHOOOAHHH!
(and after that we'd kick ass? %-)
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SurferDoc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:13:01am |
Every time I read or hear about "our image arboad" or "world opinion" I want the grab the guy by the neck and shake him until the shit falls out of his head.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:14:15am |
re: #72 Pvt Bin Jammin
I just remembered a little old book , and I think it is called the "Green Felt Jungle". It is suppossdly based on fact.
It would have to be. You really can't make stuff up about Las Vegas.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:14:50am |
Evening all. Just checking in, don't know how long I will last. I am truly in grief at the knowledge of Betti Page passing, I support all our troops in their duty. And of course laughing my ass off at the antics in Chicago. Have I missed anything?
/raises single malt in toast to the best pin up girl ever!
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:17:46am |
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:18:08am |
re: #81 BlueCanuck
Evening all. Just checking in, don't know how long I will last. I am truly in grief at the knowledge of Betti Page passing, I support all our troops in their duty. And of course laughing my ass off at the antics in Chicago. Have I missed anything?
/raises single malt in toast to the best pin up girl ever!
Click on #61, and I'd say you're pretty well caught up!
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Raven1 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:20:10am |
Speaking of electricity, We are having a severe ice storm here in central Massachusetts. The sound of crashing tree limbs roused me from slumber. Worcester Airport, about a mile from me has lost electricity, as have 73 thousand residents of central Massachusetts. I hope my tiny particle electrons are not stopped, then I would not be able to read the best blog on the internet!
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:22:49am |
re: #79 SurferDoc
Every time I read or hear about "our image arboad" or "world opinion" I want the grab the guy by the neck and shake him until the shit falls out of his head.
countries don't have friends: they have intersts...
i don't want America to be loved so much as it is to be held in awe.
we need to be the shining city on the hill that everyone knows they can get to, should they wish, and where they will always be welcome to join and embrace the push to tomorrow, but that they NEVER want to fuck with, no matter how strident their death wish, because we will do a serious biblical damn damn on their heads if they are *that* stupid.
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:25:18am |
re: #84 Raven1
Speaking of electricity, We are having a severe ice storm here in central Massachusetts. The sound of crashing tree limbs roused me from slumber. Worcester Airport, about a mile from me has lost electricity, as have 73 thousand residents of central Massachusetts. I hope my tiny particle electrons are not stopped, then I would not be able to read the best blog on the internet!
On a slightly smaller scale, earlier this week here in Vegas, the city was doing some sewer repairs right near the DMV (insert joke here).
At one point, they were doing some cutting, and they cut through some wires! The wires were phone and high-speed data wires! Not only did 20,000 people lose phone service, but the DMV had to shut down for 3 days because their computers had no way to connect with the state system for filing, verification, and so on!
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SurferDoc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:27:18am |
re: #85 redc1c4
countries don't have friends: they have intersts...
i don't want America to be loved so much as it is to be held in awe.
we need to be the shining city on the hill that everyone knows they can get to, should they wish, and where they will always be welcome to join and embrace the push to tomorrow, but that they NEVER want to fuck with, no matter how strident their death wish, because we will do a serious biblical damn damn on their heads if they are *that* stupid.
Amen and BOOM!
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:27:57am |
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:29:10am |
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:30:12am |
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Crux Australis Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:31:14am |
re: #85 redc1c4
countries don't have friends: they have intersts...
i don't want America to be loved so much as it is to be held in awe.
we need to be the shining city on the hill that everyone knows they can get to, should they wish, and where they will always be welcome to join and embrace the push to tomorrow, but that they NEVER want to fuck with, no matter how strident their death wish, because we will do a serious biblical damn damn on their heads if they are *that* stupid.
Australia has no better friend in the world than the US. Ignore these lefty loonies.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:33:23am |
re: #91 Crux Australis
Australia has no better friend in the world than the US. Ignore these lefty loonies.
It's what we do best...
/either that or belittle them
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:35:11am |
re: #90 gmsc
Here's the new logo for those auto companies requesting a bailout!
I like this on also.The Bailout
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:35:22am |
re: #91 Crux Australis
Australia has no better friend in the world than the US. Ignore these lefty loonies.
it's us against them. po' them... should we give a warning? %-)
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Raven1 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:35:26am |
re: #86 gmsc
I'm sure the DMV workers enjoyed the time off, but I wouldn't want to have to wait in those lines when they reopened!
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:37:34am |
re: #93 Erik The Red
I like this on also.The Bailout
I can just imagine a government-mandated, politically correct car that they'd be required to make if they did get the bailout - The Fedsel!
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:37:41am |
re: #94 redc1c4
it's us against them. po' them... should we give a warning? %-)
Hell no. Did they ever give us one?
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:39:28am |
re: #95 Raven1
I'm sure the DMV workers enjoyed the time off, but I wouldn't want to have to wait in those lines when they reopened!
The lines were restored about 15 minutes before their normal closing time. So, not only do they not open on a Friday, they have to re-open on a Saturday!
You've got the long lines of a regular Saturday, plus lines from 3 days worth of delayed people!
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:41:08am |
I can't make it another 20 minutes for fruitcup, so I'm going to head off to sleep now.
If newly-21 birthday lizard Matrix is still here, give my fruitcup to him as a b-day present!
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:42:05am |
re: #98 gmsc
The lines were restored about 15 minutes before their normal closing time. So, not only do they not open on a Friday, they have to re-open on a Saturday!
You've got the long lines of a regular Saturday, plus lines from 3 days worth of delayed people!
here in the PRC, at least most of your stuff can be done at the Auto Club...
/makes every dime of the membership worthwhile for that alone.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:42:15am |
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:42:51am |
re: #100 gmsc
I can't make it another 20 minutes for fruitcup, so I'm going to head off to sleep now.
If newly-21 birthday lizard Matrix is still here, give my fruitcup to him as a b-day present!
I'm still here. Gracious you are! Good night and thanks for the wishes.
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:43:04am |
re: #100 gmsc
I can't make it another 20 minutes for fruitcup, so I'm going to head off to sleep now.
If newly-21 birthday lizard Matrix is still here, give my fruitcup to him as a b-day present!
we'll dose it so he never forgets/remembers...
/all on you. %-)
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gmsc Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:43:09am |
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:45:39am |
re: #104 TheMatrix31
I'm still here. Gracious you are! Good night and thanks for the wishes.
lucky you... i'm pretty sure i had a good time on my 21st...
or so i was told.
/white smoke
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:45:44am |
re: #104 TheMatrix31
Ah, you poor young soul. If you just knew what you were in for. . . .
/like red, experienced.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:46:17am |
re: #107 redc1c4
I spent my 21st confined to barracks. Bastards. . . .
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:48:50am |
re: #109 BlueCanuck
I spent my 21st confined to barracks. Bastards. . . .
And I'm going to spend my 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th confined to Barack.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:51:25am |
re: #110 TheMatrix31
Kudoos, well played young one.
/crap, just realized that you were still in diapers way back when.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:54:24am |
re: #112 BlueCanuck
Kudoos, well played young one.
/crap, just realized that you were still in diapers way back when.
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:55:55am |
re: #110 TheMatrix31
And I'm going to spend my 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th confined to Barack.
sucks to be us... DRINK!
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:57:41am |
re: #112 BlueCanuck
Kudoos, well played young one.
/crap, just realized that you were still in diapers way back when.
he wasn't even inflicted as far back as i'm looking, grasshopper.
/fngs... %-)
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:58:47am |
re: #115 Sharmuta
Happy Birthday Matrix!
you have to give him a spanking...
/in the Storm Trooper boots
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littleoldlady Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:00:03am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™ and Happy Birthday, Matrix! :-)
Fruitcup (and a side of birthday cake!) is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!
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Panhandler Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:01:20am |
IZ fruitcup and cake! Yay! Tank yew lol. {lol}
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:01:51am |
Wooo hooo, fruitcup and cake. It is a good day. Good morning littleoldlady.
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:02:08am |
re: #118 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™ and Happy Birthday, Matrix! :-)
Fruitcup (and a side of birthday cake!) is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!
more stuff to ferment! W00000000000000000000000o0T!1!
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:02:29am |
re: #115 Sharmuta
Happy Birthday Matrix!
Thanks! re: #117 redc1c4
you have to give him a spanking...
/in the Storm Trooper boots
Hey hey...I ain't into that kinky stuff!
re: #118 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™ and Happy Birthday, Matrix! :-)
Fruitcup (and a side of birthday cake!) is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!
Wow, I feel special. Thanks :)
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littleoldlady Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:03:27am |
Erik! :-) Fenway! BlueCanuck! :-) Sharmuta! :-) red! :-) rightside! :-) Panhandler! :-)
... I'm afraid this is a drive-by fruiting (and caking) :-(
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:03:32am |
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:03:42am |
Does any know what the quickest and fewest posts someone has gotten to-1000 karma? Only asking because Fiat_lux has got to be close.
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:04:20am |
re: #117 redc1c4
you have to give him a spanking...
/in the Storm Trooper boots
I be bizee spankin trollz downstairz
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:04:27am |
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:04:33am |
Karma: -866
fiat_lux
(Logged in)
Registered since: Nov 21, 2008 at 5:16 pm
No. of comments posted: 367
No. of links posted: 0
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:04:52am |
re: #126 littleoldlady
Aww...you're not gonna stick around for some of my witty banter?
/I wouldn't either.
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Panhandler Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:05:28am |
re: #125 TheMatrix31
Hey hey...I ain't into that kinky stuff!
You haven't seen the boots, they special, for a special guy.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:05:33am |
re: #128 Erik The Red
Well none I know that weren't banned. . . . .
/just doesn't know when to shut up
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:06:47am |
re: #133 Panhandler
Hey hey...I ain't into that kinky stuff!
You haven't seen the boots, they special, for a special guy.
Are they made for walkin?
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:09:07am |
re: #134 BlueCanuck
Well none I know that weren't banned. . . . .
/just doesn't know when to shut up
He was fun at first but now it's the same rehashed bullshit. Salamantis and Sharmuta do a great job on him. Chew toy for me is old. Time maybe for him just to go away.
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Panhandler Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:10:22am |
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:10:43am |
re: #127 BlueCanuck
I may be an FNG to you, but everyone was an FNG to some one.
/toast
and yet the Infantry is eternal...
"Shies the name, Shines the name, of Rodger Young..."
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:12:12am |
re: #139 redc1c4
and yet the Infantry is eternal...
"Shies the name, Shines the name, of Rodger Young..."
Come on you apes, do you want to live forever?
/some sargeant WW1
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:12:44am |
And the book was done a major disservice by the movie.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:12:50am |
re: #136 Erik The Red
A thought just occured to me with you being in South Africa and all...
Does an Executive Outcomes/Sandline Int'l-type outfit have anything resembling a Navy? Maybe they could be hired to clean up some areas along the Somali coast...
/standard mercenaries/Private Military Contractors are eeevil disclaimer.
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:13:26am |
re: #125 TheMatrix31
Wow, I feel special. Thanks :)
you have to give him a spanking...
/in the Storm Trooper boots
Hey hey...I ain't into that kinky stuff!
yes you are, you're just not old enough to know it yet...
consider this part of the advanced course.
/damn newbies
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:14:15am |
re: #140 BlueCanuck
Come on you apes, do you want to live forever?
/some sargeant
WW110,000 BC
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:15:42am |
re: #142 Fenway_Nation
A thought just occured to me with you being in South Africa and all...
Does an Executive Outcomes/Sandline Int'l-type outfit have anything resembling a Navy? Maybe they could be hired to clean up some areas along the Somali coast...
/standard mercenaries/Private Military Contractors are eeevil disclaimer.
given the recent legal environment, who would want to take on the contract, knowing full well your patrons would declare you pirates at any time?
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Panhandler Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:16:44am |
re: #144 redc1c4
Great, red is trying to get another ID thread going.
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:17:10am |
re: #135 TheMatrix31
Are they made for walkin?
They're made for ass kicking. And Birthday Spankings.
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hans ze beeman Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:17:59am |
What's wrong with Britain? School choir forced to pull out of Christmas concert as carols were 'too religious'
This winter festival frenzy is not only ludicrous but dangerous.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:18:17am |
re: #146 Panhandler
Nah, it's standard military knowledge. All sargeants/D.I.s aren't born, they're hatched.
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:19:03am |
re: #147 Sharmuta
They're made for ass kicking. And Birthday Spankings.
and lots of KoolWhip!
/chocolate sauce is optional.
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:20:50am |
re: #142 Fenway_Nation
A thought just occured to me with you being in South Africa and all...
Does an Executive Outcomes/Sandline Int'l-type outfit have anything resembling a Navy? Maybe they could be hired to clean up some areas along the Somali coast...
/standard mercenaries/Private Military Contractors are eeevil disclaimer.
iirc any S.African citizen found to be a member of any mercenary/para military organization is seen has having committed treason. So if there is it is very huss huss and would not be based here.
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:20:52am |
re: #149 BlueCanuck
Nah, it's standard military knowledge. All sargeants/D.I.s aren't born, they're
hatchedinflicted.
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:22:00am |
re: #151 Erik The Red
iirc any S.African citizen found to be a member of any mercenary/para military organization is seen has having committed treason. So if there is it is very huss huss and would not be based here.
given the local history, that isn't surprising...
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Panhandler Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:22:45am |
re: #149 BlueCanuck
Nah, it's standard military knowledge. All sargeants/D.I.s aren't born, they're hatched.
I withdraw my statement then, although I had always thought they were cloned from a Borg template.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:23:47am |
re: #150 redc1c4
and lots of KoolWhip!
/chocolate sauce is optional.
Nothin' wrong with whipped cream!
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BlueCanuck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:25:51am |
Well it's been a slice. See ya all later. And best wishes Matrix. Don't do anything that red wouldn't.
/and yeah, that leaves the field wide open.
//white smoke
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redc1c4 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:28:23am |
re: #155 TheMatrix31
Nothin' wrong with whipped cream!
just didn't think you youngin's even knew what that was...
/tezach me to try & be hip. %-)
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Panhandler Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:28:29am |
re: #155 TheMatrix31
Nothin' wrong with whipped cream!
Hmmm, Likes whipped cream, doesn't like boots, ambivalent about chocolate sauce. Finals really got to you didn't they?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:32:28am |
re: #151 Erik The Red
Given South Africa's recent history, I'm not surprised that there'd be some moral objection to mercenaries moving into soverign nations and taking over- but the cynic in me also wonders how much of that was a sort of safety mechanism for the likes of Cholera...what Cholera? Robert Mugabe.
Also, given some of South Africa's more recent post-Apartheid past I gotta wonder who would be in more trouble if caught serving in a foreign (or private) armed group...the Afrikaaner who went to Sierra Leone and fought some teen-age rebels for some quick cash or the Cape Malay who decides to join the Taliban and try and drive the infidels out of Afghanistan.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:35:35am |
re: #160 Panhandler
Hmmm, Likes whipped cream, doesn't like boots, ambivalent about chocolate sauce. Finals really got to you didn't they?
LOL. I'm not a chocolate guy. Sacrilege, I know.
Finals got to me in that now that they're over, my brain is completely dead.
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:37:03am |
re: #161 Fenway_Nation
Given South Africa's recent history, I'm not surprised that there'd be some moral objection to mercenaries moving into soverign nations and taking over- but the cynic in me also wonders how much of that was a sort of safety mechanism for the likes of
Cholera...what Cholera?Robert Mugabe.Also, given some of South Africa's more recent post-Apartheid past I gotta wonder who would be in more trouble if caught serving in a foreign (or private) armed group...the Afrikaaner who went to Sierra Leone and fought some teen-age rebels for some quick cash or the Cape Malay who decides to join the Taliban and try and drive the infidels out of Afghanistan.
You have hit that on the head. It was meant for the Afrikaaner's and anyone that was in the ols S.A army.
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:39:12am |
re: #163 Erik The Red
What's your connection with S.Africa? Or do I need to ask. Lizards are the most informed bunch of reptiles that I have come across.
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:39:46am |
re: #164 Erik The Red
What's your connection with S.Africa? Or do I need to ask. Lizards are the most informed bunch of reptiles that I have come across.
Post meant for you Fenway.
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:40:34am |
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:42:23am |
re: #163 Erik The Red
I suspect alot of seemingly benign or conciliatory legislation written up by the ANC over the last 15 years is A) rather punitive upon closer examination and B) directed primarily at Afrikaaners (and probably blacks in other political parties)...
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:50:05am |
re: #164 Erik The Red
Not much, really. Never set foot in SA, but I like to keep myself informed on the history of any country I'm seriously interested in visiting...just in case it will come in handy.
/There's also the whole Blue Train deal.
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Erik The Red Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:52:55am |
re: #168 Fenway_Nation
I suspect alot of seemingly benign or conciliatory legislation written up by the ANC over the last 15 years is A) rather punitive upon closer examination and B) directed primarily at Afrikaner's (and probably blacks in other political parties)...
Both correct. The whites in this country represent such a small minority that almost all legislation that has been passes since 1994 has been made to "right the wrongs of the past" and not for what is right and just to make S.Africa a true power house of Africa. One of the main reasons I am returning next year is I do not see this country rising above the hated that exists between black and white and the total entitlement factor that the majority of the population have. It can not be met. Unknown future doesn't look good for my young girls.
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:56:20am |
Colin Powell Speaks Out for the GOPMorning Lizards
Now Colin Powell thinks we are Neanderthals if we listen to Limbaugh?
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:57:53am |
Wow that linking thing looks messy---
First time I linked ,next time it won't look so obvious---
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:57:54am |
re: #170 Erik The Red
That really is too bad. Once SA is gone, I guess you can pretty much write off the whole continent (most have already).
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:07:13am |
Good Morning LGF.
Watch for this MSM Headline:
UAW and GOP conspire to bring down GM and Chrysler.
///
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:07:49am |
Morning all.
Cholesterol overload. If it were made with turkey bacon, would it be kosher?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:12:56am |
Drop, baby, drop!
/Spot price for gold is down about $10 an ounce this morning- other commodities look like they're following suit. Otherwise it sounds like I'm rooting for a little flare off of Pedroia's bat to find that little 'Bermuda Triangle' in the outfied at Fenway.
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opnion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:16:40am |
re: #171 summergurl
Colin Powell Speaks Out for the GOPMorning Lizards
Now Colin Powell thinks we are Neanderthals if we listen to Limbaugh?
Powell really just needs to declare himself a Democrat & cease advising the Republican Party. He deserted the Party for Obama, which waas a clear racial preference. He knows a lot about Limbaugh progrm content , so either he himself listens or he is speculating.
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Salamantis Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:20:23am |
I'm really proud of this post. It took me some time and effort to compose it. Can y'all please give it a look-see?
It's on the previous EVO thread.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:37:02am |
re: #178 opnion
Do you think a career without any private sector experience plays into this?
If all you know is public service, it's easy to view things like this. That's another palpable danger of Obama's "public service" agenda.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:38:00am |
re: #181 Erik The Red
This Is Africa. It was a line borrowed from the movie "Blood Diamonds," expressing the chaos on the continent.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:39:39am |
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opnion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:44:02am |
re: #182 Bumr50
Do you think a career without any private sector experience plays into this?
If all you know is public service, it's easy to view things like this. That's another palpable danger of Obama's "public service" agenda.
That's an interesting observation & could have something to do with Powell's views. But as a military man , he understands loyalty.
Nobody expects "blind" loyalty, but the Republican party today is not very different than the one he served in. The only real difference that I can see is that the Democrat nominee was more racially attractive to him & he is now rationalizing.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:46:11am |
re: #179 Salamantis
Evolutionary theorists would approve of none of this. They would say to let them all be born, and cared for, and to let environmental selection sort them out, and that would be best for the species as a whole.
Why would a scientist take any such positions, unless he/she had an over-arching political, economic, racial or religious agenda?
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:52:23am |
Specter voted for the bailout. I don't know what's worse, having him in there and waiting for him to leave or thinking about Chris Matthews in his place.
I hate PA.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:56:24am |
re: #187 Bumr50
Specter voted for the bailout. I don't know what's worse, having him in there and waiting for him to leave or thinking about Chris Matthews in his place.
I hate PA.
Hey you could be living in NJ! And take it from one who does, it ain't no garden state?
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opnion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:56:37am |
FNC is now talking about how the Left thinks that Caroline Kennedy is fit to be a U.S Senator while they thought that a sitting Governor, Sarah Palin did not have enough experience to be VP.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:57:14am |
re: #189 opnion
FNC is now talking about how the Left thinks that Caroline Kennedy is fit to be a U.S Senator while they thought that a sitting Governor, Sarah Palin did not have enough experience to be VP.
Well Palin didn't come from Royal Blood after all?
/
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opnion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:57:41am |
re: #188 Nevergiveup
Hey you could be living in NJ! And take it from one who does, it ain't no garden state?
Move to Illinois, our politics are clean.
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opnion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:58:22am |
re: #190 Nevergiveup
Well Palin didn't come from Royal Blood after all?
/
And that apparently makes all the difference.
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:59:51am |
re: #188 Nevergiveup
Hey you could be living in NJ! And take it from one who does, it ain't no garden state?
Which part may I ask? I'm in a relatively conservative area in central NJ.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:00:05am |
Final roll call vote on the UAW bailout
By Michelle Malkin • December 12, 2008 12:11 AM
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
The usual list of Republican suspects who did vote for it!
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:00:33am |
re: #193 NYCHardhat
Which part may I ask? I'm in a relatively conservative area in central NJ.
Bergen County.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:00:36am |
Meanwhile, over at Politico, the GOP continues it's battle to stay alive.
The left should be easier to defeat in the future if they persist in their attempts to portray everything that occurs in government as a referendum on the viability of the Republican party.
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:02:53am |
re: #194 Nevergiveup
Final roll call vote on the UAW bailout
By Michelle Malkin • December 12, 2008 12:11 AM[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
The usual list of Republican suspects who did vote for it!
Ok. They must go now.
The 10 pro-bailout Republicans:
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Collins (R-ME)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Lugar (R-IN)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:02:56am |
re: #196 Bumr50
Meanwhile, over at Politico, the GOP continues it's battle to stay alive.
The left should be easier to defeat in the future if they persist in their attempts to portray everything that occurs in government as a referendum on the viability of the Republican party.
If we don't fight for our principals we might as well be democrats.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:03:31am |
Local news just said that Dems are going to the White House in an attempt to get Bush to authorize allocation of $15 billion from the original Big Bailout for the Big3.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:04:07am |
re: #197 NYCHardhat
Well doesn't Domenici (R-NM) have Alzheimer's?
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:04:18am |
re: #189 opnion
FNC is now talking about how the Left thinks that Caroline Kennedy is fit to be a U.S Senator while they thought that a sitting Governor, Sarah Palin did not have enough experience to be VP.
They also thought that a guy with barely two years of experience in the Senate who only occasionally showed up (and usually just voted "I'm here!" when he did make it in) could handle the job of President.
Senator Caroline Kennedy? You know somebody is already thinking President Kennedy
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:06:38am |
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jetpilot1101 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:07:26am |
Good morning Lizards. Market is going to take a huge hit today. Unions wouldn't concede and GM looks like its headed for BK and I don't mean Burger King.
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gregg Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:07:46am |
I wouldn't be surprised to see Bush do an end around and have Paulson release funds from the TARP to cover the $15 billion auto bailout.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:08:00am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:08:57am |
re: #204 jetpilot1101
Good morning Lizards. Market is going to take a huge hit today. Unions wouldn't concede and GM looks like its headed for BK and I don't mean Burger King.
I would think the markets might actually like since that means the UAW will getting the shaft, and I don't mean the movie.
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jetpilot1101 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:09:21am |
re: #205 gregg
I wouldn't be surprised to see Bush do an end around and have Paulson release funds from the TARP to cover the $15 billion auto bailout.
I wouldn't be surprised either. He is shamelessly trying to try and be the rescuer of the economy. reminds me of Clinton desperately trying to salvage a "legacy" in the final days of his presidency.
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:09:57am |
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:10:15am |
re: #189 opnion
FNC is now talking about how the Left thinks that Caroline Kennedy is fit to be a U.S Senator while they thought that a sitting Governor, Sarah Palin did not have enough experience to be VP.
And you're surprised?
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jetpilot1101 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:06am |
re: #207 Nevergiveup
I would think the markets might actually like since that means the UAW will getting the shaft, and I don't mean the movie.
Futures down 220 last check. Wall street isn't going to like it regardless of the unions getting the fid (and I don't mean the nautical tool) because this has huge ramifications on the rest of the economy.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:21am |
re: #209 NYCHardhat
Likewise neighbor.
We should really have a NJ Lizards get together. Something with alot of cholesterol and booze.
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:44am |
re: #212 Nevergiveup
We should really have a NJ Lizards get together. Something with alot of cholesterol and booze.
I am sooo down.
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Susan Lee Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:50am |
Charles; I enjoy immensely your posts about the New Earth Creationists vs. Evolution... and would like to introduce you to a website by an astronomer, Hugh Ross, who is harmonizing? Biblical Creation and Evolution - successfully, I think. Anyway, for your reading and thinking pleasure; [Link: www.reasons.org...]
Kind regards, Susan Lee
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jetpilot1101 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:58am |
re: #212 Nevergiveup
We should really have a NJ Lizards get together. Something with alot of cholesterol and booze.
I would love to see the moonbat protests at that event.
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monkeytime Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:12:21am |
eh...it'll never catch on.
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:12:53am |
re: #194 Nevergiveup
Final roll call vote on the UAW bailout
By Michelle Malkin • December 12, 2008 12:11 AM[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
The usual list of Republican suspects who did vote for it!
Chambliss (R-GA) votes no. Thank goodness the R's held the line in the runoff!
Coleman (R-MN) votes no - and hopefully there will continue to be a no vote from that seat. I think they are still searching the trunks and wheel wells of Minnesota automobiles.
John McCain (R-AZ) votes no. Finally grow a pair, John? A tad late, isn't it?
Lindsey Graham (R-SC) get off your ass and do your job! I didn't vote for you four years ago for you to sit on your ass! (And I won't vote for you again, after that immigration fiasco.)
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:13:28am |
re: #215 jetpilot1101
I would love to see the moonbat protests at that event.
I will wear my homemade "Peace Through Superior Firepower" T-shirt. Should cause some trouble. It did on my college campus.
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:13:32am |
re: #201 SteveC
They also thought that a guy with barely two years of experience in the Senate who only occasionally showed up (and usually just voted "I'm here!" when he did make it in) could handle the job of President.
Senator Caroline Kennedy? You know somebody is already thinking President Kennedy
Of course - they see her as the logical opposition to Palin. Can you imagine that scenario?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:13:36am |
re: #215 jetpilot1101
I would love to see the moonbat protests at that event.
And all woman lizards have to wear fur coats.
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jetpilot1101 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:14:31am |
re: #220 Nevergiveup
And all woman lizards have to wear fur coats.
And everyone has to show up in the biggest SUV possible.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:15:13am |
Good night. I'll catch y'all during the day.
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96RoadKing Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:15:35am |
Mornin' Lizards!
-3F here this morning. Up where Will Steger lives (Ely, MN), it's -26F. Actual temperature, no wind chill.
Love that Global Warming!
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:15:38am |
Good morning
Look for the market to plummet today as the auto bailout failed in the Senate.
The situation boils down to a giant game of chicken. In order for the the auto companies to become competitive, they have to give back more than they have in labor costs and benefits. They don't want to. So they figure if they can just get a bridge loan to carry them till Obama is in, they are home free. The Senate Republicans said no, so the money is not coming from Congress.
Therefore, it gets thrown in the lap of the White House with the UAW and he Dem's betting that Bush will not want to leave the White House with these two bankruptcies on his shoulders.
We are eyeball to eyeball and the UAW figures Bush will blink.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:15:47am |
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:16:35am |
re: #207 Nevergiveup
I would think the markets might actually like since that means the UAW will getting the shaft, and I don't mean the movie.
No one understands Shaft but his woman.
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:16:38am |
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:16:45am |
re: #207 Nevergiveup
I would think the markets might actually like since that means the UAW will getting the shaft, and I don't mean the movie.
If the Markets end up today I hope Reid chokes on the "dread" he said he will feel looking at Wall Street this morning.
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gregg Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:16:45am |
I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:17:08am |
re: #229 gregg
I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?
Not enough earmarks?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:17:29am |
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bp sf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:17:39am |
NJ LGF Meetup?
How's about Rutt's Hut in Clifton? Rippers and beers!
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:18:05am |
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:18:12am |
re: #232 bp sf
NJ LGF Meetup?
How's about Rutt's Hut in Clifton? Rippers and beers!
Colorado Cafe in Watchung?
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:18:15am |
Does anyone think that a campaign against labor unions would be successful at a grassroots level?
Say Union No?
Does anyone think that there are enough people that understand?
Maybe I'm just bitter, being from Pittsburgh where questioning ANYTHING the union does is something one does not do in mixed company without fear of repercussions.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:18:45am |
re: #229 gregg
I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?
So why is he saying he's going to "dread" looking at Wall Street today?
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:19:30am |
re: #217 SteveC
Chambliss (R-GA) votes no. Thank goodness the R's held the line in the runoff!
Coleman (R-MN) votes no - and hopefully there will continue to be a no vote from that seat. I think they are still searching the trunks and wheel wells of Minnesota automobiles.
John McCain (R-AZ) votes no. Finally grow a pair, John? A tad late, isn't it?
Lindsey Graham (R-SC) get off your ass and do your job! I didn't vote for you four years ago for you to sit on your ass! (And I won't vote for you again, after that immigration fiasco.)
Saxby is getting alot of heat down here to toe the party line - Palin's whirlwind Georgia tour saved his behind and he knows it.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:19:42am |
re: #232 bp sf
Is a ripper a deep fried sausage? I've never had, but fantasize. With horseradish mustard.
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:20:15am |
re: #224 3 wood
We are eyeball to eyeball and the UAW figures Bush will blink.
And I get the feeling that if I bet $5 on the UAW I'd win. :(
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:20:38am |
re: #237 summergurl
Saxby is getting alot of heat down here to toe the party line - Palin's whirlwind Georgia tour saved his behind and he knows it.
And President Bush saved Spector's once and we see how grateful that SOB was!
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:21:42am |
On the Blago - Obama front.
Obama is doing everything he can to distance himself from Blagojevich and the filthy Chicago Machine politics. So far,he has been successful in getting the MSM to buy off that Obama can walk on water. But Rahm Emanuel and David Axlerod are hip deep in that sewer with Blago, they operated side by side with him.
Emanuel and Axlerod are ususally right behind Obama at every press conference, you never see Obama with out those two. In fact, Obama has to stop walking slowly to avoid breaking their noses.
You may have noticed at yesterday's Obama press conference, there was no Emanuel and no Axlerod.
Something else to just keep an eye on.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:07am |
re: #239 SteveC
And I get the feeling that if I bet $5 on the UAW I'd win. :(
I don't think Bush will. Of course that may just be wishful thinking, after all, I am still waiting for the President to stop this Islam is a religion of peace crap?
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:10am |
re: #229 gregg
I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?
Reid also voted "no" for procedural reasons.
I don't know what "procedural reasons" means.
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bp sf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:20am |
They call 'em rippers...hot dogs deep fried that rip open.
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:26am |
re: #236 TheMatrix31
So why is he saying he's going to "dread" looking at Wall Street today?
I don't know. He is quoted as saying that the bill's collapse was a "loss for the country".
Reid is playing games again.
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:36am |
re: #229 gregg
I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?
They want it in Bush's lap.
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:07am |
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gregg Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:13am |
re: #243 jorline
Thanks. I don't know what that mean either. Sounds like CYA.
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bp sf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:14am |
The Colorado Cafe?
Looks like a NJ copy of Mickey Gilley's.
From their web site:
Dress Code Strictly Enforced
No:
White Strapped Undershirts
Head Bandanas ~ Skull Caps
Baggy Pants ~ Unlaced Work Boots
Colors and/or Rags
Cowboy Up...no gang bangers or wife beaters please!
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:38am |
Good morning, Lizards. Two hour delay here in Western PA.
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:48am |
re: #245 summergurl
I don't know. He is quoted as saying that the bill's collapse was a "loss for the country".
Reid is playing games again.
By saying "again", you imply that he actually quit for a while and has now resumed his game playing. I'm not sure he did.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:57am |
re: #239 SteveC
We can get the union to concede, given the current economic climate.
We almost had a port authority strike here two weeks ago, but the AFL-CIO sent delegates to Pittsburgh to encourage a deal with the transit union giving up some benefits to avoid a public black-eye associated with $30 an hour plus overtime bus drivers on the picket line.
That doesn't happen often.
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monkeytime Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:01am |
re: #225 MandyManners
Can I wear my leather pants?
Now Now - let's show them that we have a heart and can be charitable.
We can have an area for free makeovers for leftie women. We can let them trade in their birkenstocks for a pair of high heels and we can give away razors for them to shave and wax for their legs.
:>)
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NYCHardhat Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:29am |
re: #249 bp sf
The Colorado Cafe?
Looks like a NJ copy of Mickey Gilley's.
From their web site:
Dress Code Strictly Enforced
No:
White Strapped Undershirts
Head Bandanas ~ Skull Caps
Baggy Pants ~ Unlaced Work Boots
Colors and/or RagsCowboy Up...no gang bangers or wife beaters please!
Its a kick ass joint for pseudo punks like myself. Cowboys don't give me trouble.
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:29am |
re: #246 3 wood
They want it in Bush's lap.
Procedural reasons? Gee whiz... Is that like voting "present"? What a crock.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:30am |
re: #241 3 wood
Is Emanuel the adviser on gov tape?
MUM %P% Obama's chief of staff refuses to answer the question
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
“You’re wasting your time,” Emanuel said. “I’m not going to say a word to you. I’m going to do this with my children. Dont do that. I’m a father. I have two kids. I’m not going to do it.”
When they start hiding behind their kids...
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bp sf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:39am |
Good morning jorline.
Wish I was seeing the sunrise over Gulf down your way...you lucky Texan.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:26:10am |
re: #250 goddessoftheclassroom
Hey! I'm in Western PA! You must be in Westmoreland County?
Roads are good here in the North Hills.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:27:43am |
re: #241 3 wood
There's a really good line in there somewhere with an "Axelrod" under a bus.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:27:45am |
Manila reports Ebola virus in pigs
By Roel Landingin in Manila
[Link: www.ft.com...]
Well I guess it's time to go back to being kosher!
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:28:03am |
Uh oh
Jesse Jackson Jr. has got big problems:
Blagojevich fundraiser held by Jackson allies Saturday
As Gov. Rod Blagojevich was trying to pick Illinois' next U.S. senator, businessmen with ties to both the governor and U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. discussed raising at least $1 million for Blagojevich's campaign as a way to encourage him to pick Jackson for the job, the Tribune has learned.
Blagojevich made an appearance at an Oct. 31 luncheon meeting at the India House restaurant in Schaumburg sponsored by Oak Brook businessman Raghuveer Nayak, a major Blagojevich supporter who also has fundraising and business ties to the Jackson family, according to several attendees and public records.
Two businessmen who attended the meeting and spoke to the Tribune on the condition of anonymity said that Nayak and Blagojevich aide Rajinder Bedi privately told many of the more than two dozen attendees the fundraising effort was aimed at supporting Jackson's bid for the Senate.
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:28:10am |
re: #258 Bumr50
Hey! I'm in Western PA! You must be in Westmoreland County?
Roads are good here in the North Hills.
Actually, a little bit more to the east: Indiana County.
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:29:14am |
re: #257 bp sf
Good morning jorline.
Wish I was seeing the sunrise over Gulf down your way...you lucky Texan.
Good morning, bp sf. It's a cold beach morning here...38 degrees, but we will be in the lower 80's by Sunday.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:29:28am |
re: #263 3 wood
Uh oh
Jesse Jackson Jr. has got big problems:
Well it's nice to know that Blago is an equal opportunity extortionist?
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:31:35am |
re: #256 Nevergiveup
Is Emanuel the adviser on gov tape?
I'm starting to hear strong rumors of that is all I can say.
In other news, people are starting to wonder why Rahm Emanuel has not yet resigned his Congressional position.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:32:50am |
re: #224 3 wood
Good morning
Look for the market to plummet today as the auto bailout failed in the Senate.
The situation boils down to a giant game of chicken. In order for the the auto companies to become competitive, they have to give back more than they have in labor costs and benefits. They don't want to. So they figure if they can just get a bridge loan to carry them till Obama is in, they are home free. The Senate Republicans said no, so the money is not coming from Congress.Therefore, it gets thrown in the lap of the White House with the UAW and he Dem's betting that Bush will not want to leave the White House with these two bankruptcies on his shoulders.
We are eyeball to eyeball and the UAW figures Bush will blink.
I hope Bush doesn't blink!
So, should one short GM or F against the box?
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:33:11am |
re: #264 goddessoftheclassroom
Attended IUP for a bit. I was "undecided."
It's just really icy here.
I'm originally from Saxonburg, Butler County. Spent my entire youth in the country swearing that all I wanted was to get out of the sticks.
Now I'm doing all I can to get back.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:33:25am |
re: #267 3 wood
I'm starting to hear strong rumors of that is all I can say.
In other news, people are starting to wonder why Rahm Emanuel has not yet resigned his Congressional position.
Just an aside, but does the Gov also appoint congressional vacancies?
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:33:51am |
re: #266 Nevergiveup
Well it's nice to know that Blago is an equal opportunity extortionist?
With Jesse "I do not believe in pay to play politics" Jackson Jr.
I find the fact that the old man has no comment and has vanished as saying a whole lot.
I think the Old Man does not want to have to talk to the Fed's.
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:34:34am |
re: #267 3 wood
I'm starting to hear strong rumors of that is all I can say.
In other news, people are starting to wonder why Rahm Emanuel has not yet resigned his Congressional position.
This should be an interesting news day - bailout bill flops, Rahmbo dodging questions, OB saying " I know nothing - I know nothing" ..
What was that Sgt.s name in Hogan's Heroes?
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:34:43am |
re: #268 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
So, should one short GM or F against the box?
Depends on if you think Bush will blink.
I think he will blink.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:34:59am |
re: #271 3 wood
With Jesse "I do not believe in pay to play politics" Jackson Jr.
I find the fact that the old man has no comment and has vanished as saying a whole lot.
I think the Old Man does not want to have to talk to the Fed's.
Or maybe he jus can't find proper rhyming sound bites.
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:35:07am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:35:33am |
re: #272 summergurl
This should be an interesting news day - bailout bill flops, Rahmbo dodging questions, OB saying " I know nothing - I know nothing" ..
What was that Sgt.s name in Hogan's Heroes?
Shultz
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:36:32am |
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:08am |
re: #266 Nevergiveup
Well it's nice to know that Blago is an equal opportunity extortionist?
By the way, this is typical Chicago politics.
The bag man is not just a figment of old novels.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:10am |
re: #273 3 wood
Depends on if you think Bush will blink.
I think he will blink.
I wonder what the options pricing is looking like.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:21am |
re: #277 summergurl
Thank you ! I could have Googled it but only on my first cup of coffee.
Many hours of a misspent youth watching TV.
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Stonemason Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:25am |
re: #269 Bumr50
I did three years at IUP back in the eighties, one of those winters had the coldest day ever included...it seemed anyway. Penn State closed that day, we didn't. -15 with wind chills around -40...that was cold
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jetpilot1101 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:45am |
re: #268 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
I hope Bush doesn't blink!
So, should one short GM or F against the box?
You needed to short them yesterday. GM will open down big but you won't get in at the closing price, you'll get in at the open and who knows if it heads lower.
GM already down 40% premarket.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:50am |
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:38:21am |
re: #272 summergurl
What was that Sgt.s name in Hogan's Heroes?
Sgt. Schultz.
By now, Obama is not even sure where Illinois is.
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:38:37am |
"Thank you! Thank you very much, it's good to get out of the White house every now and again. I've been thinking, and I believe it might be a good idea to follow Chris Matthews advice and step down as President; Senator Obama has already shown that he could be a good President. One month after the election and he is already up to his ass in scandal."
"My friend Harry Reid is like a used car salesman, he always stands behind his product. It's safe back there, since it usually won't run in reverse. And no matter what kind of financing he offers, I'm not buying that crock of shit he's trying to peddle."
I'll be here another month, folks!
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:38:50am |
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:39:22am |
re: #282 jetpilot1101
You needed to short them yesterday. GM will open down big but you won't get in at the closing price, you'll get in at the open and who knows if it heads lower.
GM already down 40% premarket.
Your right, too late now.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:39:37am |
re: #263 3 wood
Uh oh
Jesse Jackson Jr. has got big problems:
Two businessmen who attended the meeting and spoke to the Tribune on the condition of anonymity said that Nayak and Blagojevich aide Rajinder Bedi privately told many of the more than two dozen attendees the fundraising effort was aimed at supporting Jackson's bid for the Senate.
Why in the world would someone need to raise money for a seat that is not up for election right now? Wouldn't that money be tracked?
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gregg Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:39:42am |
The other big news today is the $50 billion Ponzi scheme led by hedge fund manager Bernard Madoff. We won't hear much about this in the MSM because of this:
Since 2000, Madoff has donated at least $100,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and more than $23,000 to the party’s candidates, including New York Senator Charles Schumer and New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg, according to the Center for Responsive Politics
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:40:22am |
re: #263 3 wood
Uh oh
Jesse Jackson Jr. has got big problems:
To quote my father, "Jackson has cr*p on his hands that Ajax won't clean off."
He was talking about Jesse Sr. at the moment, but apples don't fall from from their trees.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:40:27am |
re: #288 MandyManners
Why in the world would someone need to raise money for a seat that is not up for election right now? Wouldn't that money be tracked?
Shirley you jest?
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:41:25am |
re: #289 gregg
The other big news today is the $50 billion Ponzi scheme led by hedge fund manager Bernard Madoff. We won't hear much about this in the MSM because of this:
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Heh, I was just about to comment on this..I wonder if he will off himself before he goes to the pokey. If not, I wonder how much time he's gonna get.
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gregg Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:42:57am |
re: #292 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Heh, I was just about to comment on this..I wonder if he will off himself before he goes to the pokey. If not, I wonder how much time he's gonna get.
The way things are going, Bush will pardon him.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:43:07am |
Local radio host pointing out the media's new tactic of trying to portray as "psychologically unstable" in order to invalidate anything he MIGHT say under oath.
Good point. Good host.
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:44:26am |
From the article I linked above:
Jackson's congressional spokesman Rick Bryant said Thursday that Nayak is a "family friend and supporter" of the congressman as well as his well-known father, Rev. Jesse Jackson. The congressman and Nayak have spoken about Jackson's desire to succeed Obama.
"He has talked to [Nayak] about the Senate seat and he has mentioned his interest," Bryant said of his boss. "But he never asked him to do anything."
Jackson's newly retained attorney, James Montgomery, said Wednesday he could not rule out that such possibilities were discussed with Blagojevich by people who did not have his client's blessing.
Starting to sound like the Original Shake Down Artist, Jesse Sr., had a hand in this.
No Jr.'s attorney is changing his tune, now saying something might have been done but without our knowledge.
Dad might get thrown under the bus.
I'm also hearing from my connections that people are running to the Fed's and singing like a bird. Rezco has apparently also had a sudden regaining of memory on some things.
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:45:22am |
re: #288 MandyManners
Why in the world would someone need to raise money for a seat that is not up for election right now? Wouldn't that money be tracked?
This is what is known in Chicago Machine politics as "The Fix".
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:45:31am |
re: #281 Stonemason
It's so much more tolerable now due to anthropogenic global warming.
/sarc
Was Coney Island there then?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:45:50am |
re: #282 jetpilot1101
You needed to short them yesterday. GM will open down big but you won't get in at the closing price, you'll get in at the open and who knows if it heads lower.
GM already down 40% premarket.
Both F & GM are below 5 and not marginable and, hence, not shortable.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:46:07am |
re: #295 3 wood
This should be good for newspaper sales in the windy city, but I guess that is to late for the Tribune Company ha?
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itellu3times Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:46:38am |
re: #289 gregg
The other big news today is the $50 billion Ponzi scheme led by hedge fund manager Bernard Madoff.
Ya. Could be major moby mondo news. Still, it sounds to me like the $50b number is exaggerated. Plenty of news if it's "only" $10b.
Market not going to be happy today.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:48:05am |
Well, I'm off to prepare for work. The market's gonna suck today and my guys will be eating tums like candy. As a registered sales assistant it's my job to keep them away from the windows.
Just kidding.
Our clients are well diversified, but daym...everything is down.
OTOH, I am buying where I see a good oportunity.
3Wood...what do you do?
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Stonemason Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:48:10am |
re: #297 Bumr50
I don't remember Coney Island, then again, I don't remember a whole lot of those three years. Almost 90 credits...no degree, but lots of time in the Sig Tau house, as a guest, not a member.
I enjoyed my time there, maybe too much.
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:48:52am |
re: #299 Nevergiveup
This should be good for newspaper sales in the windy city, but I guess that is to late for the Tribune Company ha?
The Tribune will survive. Sam Zell's a bankruptcy attorney, he did this intentionally so he could cancel a bunch of bad contracts and restructure the paper.
Just like the auto companies should do.
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Stonemason Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:49:06am |
re: #297 Bumr50
We are from the east of the state but my brother is now living in Windber, that is a pretty place, up in the hills.
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monkeytime Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:49:29am |
Is Obama's Cabinet Too Conservative?
The Washing Post wants your opinion!
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:49:59am |
re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
3Wood...what do you do?
Look for undervalued but solid companies and understand I am investing for the long term, 5 years or more in duration.
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gregg Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:50:30am |
This was probably discussed in an earlier thread, but I see Murdoch said he wants the New York Times and predicted he would get it.
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:50:35am |
On a totally unrelated side issue... I hate people who give you an option on eBay for fast shipping and then can't get the package in the mail until four days after you paypal them.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled current events discussion!
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:51:41am |
re: #306 3 wood
Look for undervalued but solid companies and understand I am investing for the long term, 5 years or more in duration.
Me too.
I take it you are an advisor. You a CFP?
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:52:32am |
re: #309 3 wood
Look for the market to drop 5% minimum today.
I don't thank we're going to see a 20% drop either.
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rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:52:50am |
re: #236 TheMatrix31
The ballot was to confusing and obscure.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:53:19am |
Gotta run. Time to dress and play mom's taxi. Back later, maybe.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:53:34am |
re: #304 Stonemason
I know Windber. Many old friends from Johnstown, Home of Murtha and Unemployment.
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:54:17am |
re: #306 3 wood
Look for undervalued but solid companies and understand I am investing for the long term, 5 years or more in duration.
I'm looking at power producers and supermarket company stocks. People gotta eat no matter what the economy. And most of them like to have electricity in the house, too.
/Haven't got that much to invest, but at least I'm working my money and not waiting on a bailout!
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:56:33am |
re: #315 SteveC
I'm a fast food manager. Business is BOOMING. Never underestimate the laziness of Americans.
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itellu3times Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:56:36am |
re: #311 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Look for the market to drop 5% minimum todayI don't thank we're going to see a 20% drop either.
I'll split the difference and expect 10% today.
Depends if any *more* bad news hits before closing, and I think retail sales news over next few days is going to be record bad - malls are empty.
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:57:23am |
re: #26 gmsc
Quick reminder: The slashies at the end of a message communicate I'm being facetious. The more slashies, the less seriously you should take the message itself.
Yes - when it comes to the seriousness that post suffered the dearth of 1000 slashes.
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Stonemason Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:59:03am |
re: #314 Bumr50
Yeah, and all the medical buildings are named after that thief. My brother bought a reclaimed strip mine and built a house, great set-up wonderful view, but not much work for a golf pro. Good thing his wife has a great job!
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:59:56am |
re: #317 itellu3times
I'll split the difference and expect 10% today.
Depends if any *more* bad news hits before closing, and I think retail sales news over next few days is going to be record bad - malls are empty.
Not around here!
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:00:49am |
Egyptian President: "Iran wants to devour the Arab World"
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:01:46am |
re: #309 3 wood
But that's only, what, 400 points.
Chicken feed!
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:02:09am |
re: #317 itellu3times
I'll split the difference and expect 10% today.
Depends if any *more* bad news hits before closing, and I think retail sales news over next few days is going to be record bad - malls are empty.
Oh... you mean that the MSM ran the "Brick and Mortar is Dooomed!" line so hard that it's finally happening?
/God I wish my college football team had someone who could run the ball that hard.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:02:10am |
Wow. When this chick wants sex, you had better give it to her...
Can't imagine turning this down tho...
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:02:47am |
Is it pronounced Bla GOY a vich or Bla GO ya vich?
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:03:48am |
FBV, thoughts and prayers for you and the missus today. Are there any little vegetarians?
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:04:25am |
re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wow. When this chick wants sex, you had better give it to her...
Can't imagine turning this down tho...
I bet she cleans up right nice.
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Bumr50 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:05:16am |
re: #319 Stonemason
I have a friend whose parents have property close to there with a natural gas well on it that was found after they bought the land.
Talk about cheap living. Percentage of profit plus free utilities (g & e) anyway.
My friend built a house there on the other side of the property. Great for him, I haven't talked to his wife since though:)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:06:05am |
re: #328 Jim in Virginia
Thanks. Yes. Not little tho. Adult.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:06:49am |
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legalpad Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:07:16am |
re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wow. When this chick wants sex, you had better give it to her...
Can't imagine turning this down tho...
Come on - you know you are glad to be out of certain relationships. You have seen Fatal Attraction, right?
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:07:50am |
re: #329 MandyManners
I bet she cleans up right nice.
Some guys go for women who can get their crazy on, ya know. Takes all kinds!
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heidi586 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:08:36am |
re: #317 itellu3times
The mall was crazy busy yesterday - I work retail and yesterday was one of the better days...it has been a very strange Christmas selling/buying season...I think many are waiting for the last days, to pick up better deals. And as we lower our prices we are having people return receipt in hand to get the $1 difference credited back to their cards...never have seen it before in such numbers. Sales are no where near corporate projections but the numbers are limping along with days like yesterday.
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opnion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:08:56am |
Some pundit brought up a good point this morning.
Valarie Jarrett is an Obama person. She is really wired to him.
She was also candidate #1 in the Blago/Senate sweepstakes.
Can you reasonably believe that the Obama Campaign had no role in the selection process?
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Stonemason Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:09:20am |
re: #331 Bumr50
And my brother has the opposite, the land did not come with the mineral rights...but 127 acres for less than 200 grand...couldn't pass it up.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:10:23am |
re: #337 heidi586
I thought Black Friday numbers were up three per cent over last year.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:11:06am |
BTW, love that McDonalds sign that they put up next to a Starbucks.
"four bucks is dumb".
Now that's a stab in the lip!
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:11:28am |
"Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking."— Dave Barry
"A priceless prototype device will protect a 3 cent fuse by blowing first"
-Murphy's Law of Electricity.
/Good Morning Everybody!
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heidi586 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:13:49am |
re: #340 MandyManners
Black Friday was fantastic...we beat last year by thousands of dollars but then it has been dead slow. We actually had a store break $100,000 this year on black Friday - that has never been done before. CRAZY! My husband is just flabbergasted by it since my store is a woman's store - selling nothing that anyone needs..it's a want store...the best want store, but still...
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:14:27am |
re: #342 CIA Reject
"A priceless prototype device will protect a 3 cent fuse by blowing first"
-Murphy's Law of Electricity.
/Good Morning Everybody!
Shit happens...as a rule.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:15:07am |
He's not melting fast enough IMHO:
[Link: www.neatorama.com...]
Good morning, Lizard Clan...happy Friday!
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:16:50am |
dayum!
Fox reporter bought a Blackberry from McCain/Palin campaign and it hadn't been "scrubbed" - full of campaign information!
Not so much that, but I never thought about what happens to the loosing campaign's "stuff" -- the Blackberry was dirt cheap! ($50 or less? I only had one ear on the TV)
I know where I'm going electronic shopping in four years!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:17:56am |
re: #346 scottishbuzzsaw
Actually, pretty clever. Misguided? Yeah. But clever.
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:19:22am |
Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking.
— Dave Barry
Ah well Mr. Barry, not to worry, you can SEE electricity without drinking.
[Link: www.exploratorium.edu...]
Good Morning All!
.
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heidi586 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:20:12am |
Since I jumped right in and never bothered to wish everyone a good morn...I'll wish everyone a good day as I leave. Make it a great day everyone. Time to go make the customers day and sell sell sell.
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:21:25am |
re: #345 Spare O'Lake
Shit happens...as a rule.
Good Morning Spare O'Lake!
Of course anybody who has ever worked with electronic devices knows that what makes them work is smoke. If you somehow do something to release the smoke from the device then it will no longer work.
/Why do I get the impression that at least half of the people in the incoming administration will see nothing wrong with that line of reasoning?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:21:31am |
re: #346 scottishbuzzsaw
He's not melting fast enough IMHO:
[Link: www.neatorama.com...]
Good morning, Lizard Clan...happy Friday!
Poor guy got swamped by his own bullshit.
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:22:28am |
re: #261 Bumr50
There's a really good line in there somewhere with an "Axelrod" under a bus.
Reuters 12/12/08 - The Obama express came to an abrupt halt to day on its journey to the inauguration. Mechanics on the scene reported an excessive buildup of political liabilites thrown under the bus had broken an Axelrod. The driver reported that while the bus would no longer run on automatic they would press on in Emanual gear.
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:23:44am |
VERY unusual couple of days in a row now for Rod Blagojevich. Instead of spending all his time at his house or campaign headquarters, he actually went to his Chicago office!
(too little, too late...)
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:23:55am |
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:24:06am |
re: #307 gregg
This was probably discussed in an earlier thread, but I see Murdoch said he wants the New York Times and predicted he would get it.
Wouldn't that be hysterical! The FOX staffers go drop by to say "hey" and have a cup of joe in the morning...
If I remember from my NY visit a couple of years ago, they are not too far apart - geographically that is.
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:24:59am |
re: #309 3 wood
Look for the market to drop 5% minimum today.
I am betting UP because that is how kooky this world is.
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:26:18am |
re: #349 doriangrey
Good morning Lizards...
MWAH! It's been too long since we've been here at the same time!And since we're joking about electricity...
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:28:23am |
re: #354 DaddyG
Reuters 12/12/08 - The Obama express came to an abrupt halt to day on its journey to the inauguration. Mechanics on the scene reported an excessive buildup of political liabilites thrown under the bus had broken an Axelrod. The driver reported that while the bus would no longer run on automatic they would press on in Emanual gear.
Good one
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opnion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:28:56am |
re: #355 Taqyia2Me
VERY unusual couple of days in a row now for Rod Blagojevich. Instead of spending all his time at his house or campaign headquarters, he actually went to his Chicago office!
(too little, too late...)
WLS radio reportying this morning that Rod wanted Potty Mouth Patty to get a sweetheart job, like Michelle has at the UofC Medical Center.
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MTNester Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:30:14am |
re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom
Good Morning Goddess...how have you been? Funny photo!
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:30:49am |
re: #363 opnion
WLS radio reportying this morning that Rod wanted Potty Mouth Patty to get a sweetheart job, like Michelle has at the UofC Medical Center.
Potty Mouth Patty! Hahahahahahaha!
Now my office mates think I'm completely insane.
/not that they are wrong but the random laughter has 'em more worried than usual.
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opnion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:31:54am |
re: #366 DaddyG
Potty Mouth Patty! Hahahahahahaha!
Now my office mates think I'm completely insane.
/not that they are wrong but the random laughter has 'em more worried than usual.
Don't stop, you are keeping them alert.
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:32:51am |
re: #356 scottishbuzzsaw
Mornin' luv...coffee? and how are you today?
Coffee... Umm, feeling pretty good, yea, that's the ticket... ;)
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:33:42am |
re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom
MWAH! It's been too long since we've been here at the same time!And since we're joking about electricity...
Morning cuttie pie... MWAH...
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albusteve Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:35:31am |
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:36:08am |
Now I've got to get ready--two-hour snow delays are one of the perks of teaching!
Have a great day, Lizards!
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:37:18am |
Mornin" all. Snow possible here in the Northwest today. So of course Les Scwab was a looney bin yesterday and today too. Trying to do their annual maintenance on fire extinguishers and damn near got run over! Twice!
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:40:26am |
re: #366 DaddyG
Potty Mouth Patty! Hahahahahahaha!
Sounds like the must-have doll this season...like tickle-me-elmo, only...not.
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:41:59am |
Did y'all see the video of the shark trying to get some treats out of the cage? Yummm! Humans, it's what's for lunch. And Mickey Ds is running billboards in Seattle saying "4 bucks for coffee is dumb!" 4 bucks is our local name for Starbucks. Mwahahaha!
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JimmyTheClaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:47:31am |
re: #99 redc1c4
even better The Pelosi GT!
that was a 1972 model why dont we have plug in yer garage suv's 30+ years later
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:47:40am |
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
Another wintry day in the Valley and it's Firday! At last!
Help yourself! A schmear of this on top, accompanied by some bacon, (whoopsie! *blush* Try here instead) and a nice big helping of this will start your day off on the right foot. :D
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:48:46am |
re: #365 MTNester
Good Morning Goddess...how have you been? Funny photo!
DARLING LADY! *mwah* I haven't seen you in ages! *hugs*
How are you and Mr. MTNester?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:53:10am |
re: #376 Miss Trixie
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
Another wintry day in the Valley and it's Firday! At last!
Help yourself! A schmear of this on top, accompanied by some bacon, (whoopsie! *blush* Try here instead) and a nice big helping of this will start your day off on the right foot. :D
Good morning, and thanks for the nice breakfast spread, Miss Trixie! A little footloose with the morning meat?...;>)
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:53:17am |
re: #378 Miss Trixie
Nope, you are in a parallel none lizard universe!
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:53:43am |
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:54:54am |
re: #376 Miss Trixie
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
Another wintry day in the Valley and it's Firday! At last!
Help yourself! A schmear of this on top, accompanied by some bacon, (whoopsie! *blush* Try here instead) and a nice big helping of this will start your day off on the right foot. :D
My my, what do you have on your mind this morning... ;)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:55:07am |
Morning All!
Don't worry, Dorian... I'm here for ya big boy... *flutters eyelashes*
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:56:19am |
re: #383 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Morning All!
Don't worry, Dorian... I'm here for ya big boy... *flutters eyelashes*
Retch... ;(
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:56:30am |
re: #383 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Morning All!
Don't worry, Dorian... I'm here for ya big boy... *flutters eyelashes*
*spew* Uh, do you two want to be alone? ;>) Mornin' Vet!
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:57:05am |
Well good morning y'all - from a coldish (41 degrees, going up to 53 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone this fine morning?
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:57:15am |
re: #385 scottishbuzzsaw
*spew* Uh, do you two want to be alone? ;>) Mornin' Vet!
Pttt... you're still a big ole marshmallow... ;p
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:57:30am |
He just looked lonely to me...
Hi Scottish!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:58:24am |
Real,
You win by 20 degrees today.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:58:32am |
re: #387 doriangrey
Pttt... you're still a big ole marshmallow... ;p
HEY! I resent the 'big' part...and the 'ole' part!
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:58:39am |
Hah! Newt talking about 'honesty' being the next big thing in politics. We are about to see 4 years of corruption that will make US Grants admin look like a pink tea party. Once a Chicago pol, always a Chicago pol. Obambis' gonna have nothing but Chicago bully boys running things and nothing will get investigated cause the press will howl RACISM at the top of their liberal lungs.
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:58:49am |
re: #388 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
He just looked lonely to me...
Hi Scottish!
Lonely no... But I surly do appreciate a beautiful woman who is smarter than me... ;)
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:59:36am |
re: #381 doriangrey
Sigh... my cuttie pie already left... ;(
So what am I? Chopped liver? :P
scottie
Good one! *badumpbump*
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:59:41am |
re: #386 realwest
Well good morning y'all - from a coldish (41 degrees, going up to 53 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone this fine morning?
Morning real... Doing fine... well except for Vet hitting on me... But otherwise fine... How about yourself?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:59:44am |
re: #390 scottishbuzzsaw
HEY! I resent the 'big' part...and the 'ole' part!
I think he meant me... we all know you are hot...
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:08am |
re: #386 realwest
Well good morning y'all - from a coldish (41 degrees, going up to 53 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone this fine morning?
Good morning, {real}, and happy Friday!
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:15am |
re: #386 realwest
Mornin' RW, currently 30 here in the Greater Wenatchee Valley going down to 28 with a chance of snow. Single digit temps by Sunday! So much for gorebull warming!
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:16am |
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:35am |
re: #393 Miss Trixie
So what am I? Chopped liver? :P
scottie
Good one! *badumpbump*
Realwest's cuttie pie... And I never poach on a lawyers cuttie pie... ;)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:39am |
re: #394 doriangrey
Morning real... Doing fine... well except for Vet hitting on me... But otherwise fine... How about yourself?
Later... when you remember it... you'll be flattered.
/and that's when you'll really be creeped out.
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:16am |
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:16am |
Auto bailout dead. Can the Dow hit 6000 today?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:20am |
I don't know if this has been posted already, but even if it has, it deserves re-posting:
Brutal Afghan fight earns soldiers 10 Silver Stars
FORT BRAGG, N.C. - Capt. Kyle Walton remembers pressing himself into the jagged stones that covered the cliff in northeast Afghanistan.Machine gun rounds and sniper fire ricocheted off the rocks. Two rounds slammed into his helmet, smashing his head into the ground. Nearby, three of his U.S. Army Special Forces comrades were gravely wounded. One grenade or a well-aimed bullet, Walton thought, could etch April 6, 2008 on his gravestone.
Walton and his team from the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group had been sent to kill or capture terrorists from a rugged valley that had never been penetrated by U.S. forces - or, they had been told, the Soviets before them.
He peered over the side of the cliff to the dry river bed 60 feet below and considered his options. Could he roll the wounded men off and then jump to safety? Would they survive the fall?
By the end of the six-hour battle deep within the Shok Valley, Walton would bear witness to heroics that on Friday would earn his team 10 Silver Stars, the most awarded for a single battle since the start of the war.
Walton, a Special Forces team leader, and his men described the battle in an interview with The Associated Press last week. Most seem unimpressed they've earned the Army's third-highest award for combat valor.
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]
Y'all should read it all.
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akak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:29am |
"futures are pounded due to bailout failure" -CNBC
/cept -250 fair value is only average nowadays.
that being said, I wouldn't want to be owning Wells Fargo, MetLife or Prudential today.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:41am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:52am |
re: #395 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I think he meant me... we all know you are hot...
*blush* I will not disturb your impression of me, {Vet}!
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:02:42am |
Good Morning Lizards!
It is a cold day here in CT. It started out rainy but is starting to dry out. I hope everyone is well today.
This from the local, liberal recycle bin filler:
Former Manchester High School Teacher Was Popular, Embattled
'Embattled' huh?
His disciplinary record, released Thursday, reveals a long history of reprimands, including an order from the school system to undergo anger management classes. Earlier this year he signed a "Last Chance Agreement" and knew he would be fired if he was disciplined again.
In his eight years at Manchester High, Proctor-Floyd was disciplined at least seven times before for showing an R-rated movie, failing to leave lesson plans for substitutes, having a loud argument with another staff member, leaving students unattended and driving students off school grounds for lunch.
Following an incident in March, he was suspended for five days without pay for showing his film students the entire movie "Crash," even though, officials said, he had been told not to show explicit sex scenes. Proctor-Floyd admitted he also did not get the required parental permission slips to show the movie.
He signed the "Last Chance Agreement" with the school system in April, making it clear that he would be fired if he violated the movie policy again, had any inappropriate interactions with students or employees, failed to leave lesson plans or retaliated against people who investigated complaints about him.
"Mr. Proctor-Floyd's employment is in serious jeopardy," the agreement said.
His latest trouble occurred Nov. 6, when David Maloney, the head of the social studies department, was checking on Proctor-Floyd's class and saw "Krush Groove" being shown. He checked the lesson plan and the movie's rating and then turned off the video. Administrators determined that Proctor-Floyd had told the substitute to show the movie, even though it is not on the school's approved list of R-rated movies and he did not get parental permission slips.
And yet there are many people trying to get him reinstated. Sometimes I really wonder if I want to bring my daughter up in this state.
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:03:01am |
{realwest} Good morning, luv *smoochie-smooch*
Saaay. Is that a new shirt? Very nice - matches your eyes.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:05am |
re: #406 scottishbuzzsaw
*blush* I will not disturb your impression of me, {Vet}!
I believe it was decisively proven, yesterday, that Lizardettes are, by definition, hot.
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SteveC Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:15am |
re: #386 realwest
Well good morning y'all - from a coldish (41 degrees, going up to 53 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone this fine morning?
Mornin'! All is well here! Dad had cataract surgery, no big deal. Wham Bang, it's done.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:26am |
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:37am |
re: #409 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I believe it was decisively proven, yesterday, that Lizardettes are, by definition, hot.
True dat... ;)
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:52am |
re: #389 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Hey LT - You mean I'm 20 degrees colder or warmer?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:10am |
Just here for a few minutes. We have an early morning special performance this morning for a school group, so I'm out of here in about 10 minutes.
Any politicians self-destruct over night?
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:14am |
re: #411 scottishbuzzsaw
Do you prefer sweet and mild, or hot and spicy?
Obviously the Bacon flavored... ;O
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:28am |
re: #410 SteveC
Mornin'! All is well here! Dad had cataract surgery, no big deal. Wham Bang, it's done.
Glad to hear it Steve. Eye surgery gives me the willies.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:34am |
re: #409 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I believe it was decisively proven, yesterday, that Lizardettes are, by definition, hot.
And of course, all Lizards are studs, right?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:44am |
re: #414 Walter L. Newton
Just here for a few minutes. We have an early morning special performance this morning for a school group, so I'm out of here in about 10 minutes.
Any politicians self-destruct over night?
Emanuel is still taking the 5th
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:57am |
re: #413 realwest
Hey LT - You mean I'm 20 degrees colder or warmer?
Warmer... hence, you win.
Freaking cold here and gonna get worse.
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:14am |
re: #413 realwest
Hey LT - You mean I'm 20 degrees colder or warmer?
Warmer to the Lizardettes... Colder to those who hit on your Lizardette... ;p
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kafir lover Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:19am |
Very insightful article by Charles Krauthammer to explain Obama's alleged "shift" to the center and how he will manipulate this time of uncertainty to his advantage. However, with new reports that most major banks are effectively "bankrupt", the tanked economy may turn out to be a saving grace afterall - Transformation is his mission. Crisis provides the opportunity. The election provides him the power.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:22am |
Golden Colorado, in the 20's right now, high of 55 today. By Sat. night, Sun morning, snow, with a high Sunday of 20.
Snow off and on through Monday. Great way to start the coming week.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:47am |
re: #417 scottishbuzzsaw
And of course, all Lizards are studs, right?
I don't know about that, but we do have long tongues. ;-)
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:52am |
re: #407 Ford_Prefect
Good morning Ford!
I suspect the people trying to get this creep reinstated are his fellow NAMBLA members.
swine...
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Rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:54am |
re: #367 opnion Plus your keeping that one Quietly crazy person thinking about if your a bigger risk than him so preventing his own much quieter but more violent explosion.
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:07:02am |
re: #414 Walter L. Newton
Not yet. Give them time to ripen!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:07:04am |
re: #417 scottishbuzzsaw
And of course, all Lizards are studs, right?
Rather doubtful. Remember we have guys here that proudly go by the name of Fat bastard.
/not pointing at any specific fat bastards, mind you.
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:07:08am |
re: #417 scottishbuzzsaw
And of course, all Lizards are studs, right?
I dont know about all Lizards... but this one certainly is... ;)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:07:49am |
re: #414 Walter L. Newton
Just here for a few minutes. We have an early morning special performance this morning for a school group, so I'm out of here in about 10 minutes.
So, I'm assuming you're cutting out the nudity?
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:31am |
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:44am |
Well time for this Lizard hunk to be off and running like a herd of turtles... I owe I owe so off to work I go... ;p
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:45am |
re: #428 doriangrey
I dont know about all Lizards... but this one certainly is... ;)
Me too, me too (flicking tongue out and in really fast, lizard eyes bugging out, tail straight up)
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:46am |
re: #427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Rather doubtful. Remember we have guys here that proudly go by the name of Fat bastard.
/not pointing at any specific fat bastards, mind you.
Maybe it's one of them reverse nickname things? Or maybe not?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:51am |
re: #428 doriangrey
I dont know about all Lizards... but this one certainly is... ;)
Someone take away his whip cream... he's had enough. Jeez.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:00am |
re: #424 CIA Reject
Good morning Ford!
I suspect the people trying to get this creep reinstated are his fellow NAMBLA members.
swine...
Yeah. "driving students off school grounds for lunch." Like that didja. Makes you wonder.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:06am |
Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!
We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:16am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:19am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:20am |
re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, I'm assuming you're cutting out the nudity?
LOL. There is no nudity in O. Henry stories.
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MTNester Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:35am |
re: #377 Miss Trixie
Miss Trixie! *hug* Nice to see you here. We are doing well, and it was really sweet for you to send all this COLD weather to us. We were starting to forget what it was like to get up and have it be 20-something outside! LOL
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:41am |
re: #432 Walter L. Newton
Me too, me too (flicking tongue out and in really fast, lizard eyes bugging out, tail straight up)
Easy fella... whoa...
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:44am |
Is everybody ready for the opening bell? I feel like we're on a roller coaster approaching the top of the lift hill. When that bell rings...
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:05am |
re: #435 Ford_Prefect
Makes me wonder about the lack of common sense showed by the school board. Asshats all.
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doriangrey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:09am |
re: #432 Walter L. Newton
Me too, me too (flicking tongue out and in really fast, lizard eyes bugging out, tail straight up)
Cough cough... That wasnt your tail Walter... ;p
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:21am |
re: #436 reine.de.tout
Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!
We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!
Careful... you don't know what you just walked into.
Mornin!
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:23am |
re: #436 reine.de.tout
Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!
We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!
Bonjour Reine, sa'va'
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:24am |
re: #427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Wait a damn minute. Who said I wasn't hot? You been talking to my wife?
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:43am |
re: #439 Walter L. Newton
Which one are you doing Walter?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:18am |
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:21am |
re: #421 kafir lover
Very insightful article by Charles Krauthammer to explain Obama's alleged "shift" to the center and how he will manipulate this time of uncertainty to his advantage. However, with new reports that most major banks are effectively "bankrupt", the tanked economy may turn out to be a saving grace afterall - Transformation is his mission. Crisis provides the opportunity. The election provides him the power.
And yet the new buildings around here turn out to be banks... and here I am hoping for a new bagel or chicken place...
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:23am |
re: #436 reine.de.tout
Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!
We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!
Very, very clever, toots. :D
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:42am |
re: #446 Walter L. Newton
Bonjour Reine, sa'va'
bien, merci.
What did I walk into? I've scrolled through and saw that Miss Trixie likes sweet and mild as well as hot and spicy sausages.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:55am |
re: #436 reine.de.tout
Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!
We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!
Good morning, {reine}...it's a bit warm in here this morning!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:12:19am |
re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wait a damn minute. Who said I wasn't hot? You been talking to my wife?
No specific Fat bastards were thrown under the bus *thumpity thump*
No reason to jump up and announce the shoe fits...
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:13:03am |
re: #394 doriangrey
Good morning dorian - I'm doing ok - just read that story I published at #403 again, and again just being continually amazed at the courage and audacity of our fine Armed Forces - especially our Special Forces ("Green Berets").
And, of course, no one in the MSM ever bothered to report on it until now, because now there are medals involved. Todays story was reported by both AP and Rueters, I picked AP cause it was a little bit shorter version.
Otherwise I'm doing ok, and other than the LT hitting on ya -btw, you should probably feel flattered at that! LOL! - how are you doing?
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:13:06am |
re: #440 MTNester
Miss Trixie! *hug* Nice to see you here. We are doing well, and it was really sweet for you to send all this COLD weather to us. We were starting to forget what it was like to get up and have it be 20-something outside! LOL
Don't mention it, toots. :P
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:13:25am |
re: #448 pingjockey
Which one are you doing Walter?
It a musical, almost an operetta, Called "A O. Henry Christmas." Two of his stories. "The Last Leaf" which is more of a "advent" sort of story (nothing directly to do with Christmas) and of course "The Gift of the Magi" (no explanation needed).
[Link: www.minersalley.com...]
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:14:54am |
re: #396 scottishbuzzsaw
Hey Hit ya {scotti} - yeah I know it's Friday but when you're retired, Friday, Saturday, Tuesday they all sorta blurred together, ya know?
;)
How are you doing today?
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:14am |
re: #439 Walter L. Newton
LOL. There is no nudity in O. Henry stories.
There are in "OMYGAAAWWWD HENRY!" stories ... :P
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:21am |
re: #457 Walter L. Newton
Sounds fun. I am so proud of our two high schools here and the plays they've been putting on. The kids are doing great work and the community has been supporting them very very well.
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:42am |
re: #435 Ford_Prefect
Yeah. "driving students off school grounds for lunch." Like that didja. Makes you wonder.
Indeed. And correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a public school right? I suspect that the tone of the article would be very much different if it were any kind of parochial school- and outright hysterical if it were a Catholic school and the teacher was a priest
But the same kind of behavior on the part of a secular public school teacher is just "quirky" right?
*SPIT*
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MTNester Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:49am |
re: #456 Miss Trixie
How is little Miss Trixie? Got much snow yet? My, but it's nice to be able to spend a few minutes in lizard-land...
btw...I'm going out in a bit for Italian sausage...
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:51am |
re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wait a damn minute. Who said I wasn't hot? You been talking to my wife?
Wait a minute - I love Vegetarians --- don't be dissing yourself...
Tofu is pure energy...
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:16:11am |
re: #397 pingjockey Hey there ping! A tad chilly where you are, hey? How you doing other than trying to keep warm?
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Rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:16:43am |
re: #424 CIA Reject
Be nice to all the Marlon Brando lookalikes they have it bad enough you know.
Rustler
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:16:46am |
re: #452 reine.de.tout
bien, merci.
What did I walk into? I've scrolled through and saw that Miss Trixie likes sweet and mild as well as hot and spicy sausages.
Honey, I'm in THAT kind of a mood today.
:D
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:17:29am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:01am |
re: #460 pingjockey
Sounds fun. I am so proud of our two high schools here and the plays they've been putting on. The kids are doing great work and the community has been supporting them very very well.
Well you should be. So many schools have practically stopped their arts programs, or relegate them to the back burner. Liberal arts are important (and I am not talking about politics).
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:11am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:28am |
Lead Story
Crooked Carol Browner: Obama’s ethically-challenged energy czar
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
Is there any appointment to this Obama Admin. that is not an old Clinton cronie?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:41am |
Out of here, long day, that school performance this morning and regular fri evening performance.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:46am |
Morning Lizards.
Snip from American Thinker
Many of our unpopular policies concerning terrorism, energy, and finance are of long duration. They resulted from collective decisions by Congress, past administrations — and us, the people, in our daily lives. Those decisions were no more the fault of George W. Bush than they can be easily solved by Barack Obama.
We should remember that fact in 2009, when the once-messianic Obama will become all too human, as he is overwhelmed by structural problems of terror, war, and money not all of his own making — and the once-demonized but now retired George W. Bush will seem downright competent.
— Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal and the 2008 Bradley Prize.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:56am |
re: #461 CIA Reject
That pretty much sums it up. Just check out the title of the article. "Embattled"? Gives him sort of a heroic 'fighting against the establishment' sort of feeling doesn't it?
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HoosierHoops Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:19:18am |
Good Morning Lizards!
how is everyone today?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:19:30am |
re: #408 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous, *smooochies* back atcha! And uh, I'm not wearing a shirt, but appreciate the compliment anyway! LOL!
How are you doing today?
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:19:50am |
re: #462 MTNester
How is little Miss Trixie? Got much snow yet? My, but it's nice to be able to spend a few minutes in lizard-land...
btw...I'm going out in a bit for Italian sausage...
We're just fine, thanks for asking. It was too cold to take her out yesterday in spite of her sneaux-suit. Hysterical how she hates that thing.
We've about a foot of sneaux and it's still early so we'll prolly have the usual 10 footers by spring.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:19:56am |
re: #473 midwestgak
Linky to the whole thing?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:30am |
re: #475 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
how is everyone today?
Doing great Hoops... how's yourself? What's the weather in Indy?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:38am |
re: #410 SteveC
Hey, excellent news SteveC, just excellent. Well I reckon you're doing fine today too, then, huh?!
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:40am |
re: #467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How YOU doin'?
Chilly here in Dixie... All that sausage talk is warming a few folks up I see...
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monkeytime Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:42am |
re: #457 Walter L. Newton
Wish I could go watch your play instead of working today. Break a leg!
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:44am |
re: #458 realwest
Hey Hit ya {scotti} - yeah I know it's Friday but when you're retired, Friday, Saturday, Tuesday they all sorta blurred together, ya know?
;)
How are you doing today?
I'm just fine, though trying not to spew my coffee everywhere...Lizards are funny.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:21:07am |
re: #475 HoosierHoops
Morning Hoosier. It's a lovely Friday.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:21:22am |
re: #459 Miss Trixie
There are in "OMYGAAAWWWD HENRY!" stories ... :P
Well, there is that. I saw that on the soft porn rack right new to those Filipino cooking videos.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:21:40am |
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:21:53am |
re: #465 Rancher
Be nice to all the Marlon Brando lookalikes they have it bad enough you know.
Rustler
I don't care who they may look like- anybody seeking to sexualize children and rob them of their childhood deserves no consideration from me or anybody else.
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MTNester Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:22:19am |
re: #477 Miss Trixie
It's been wonderful visiting with you today, short as it has been! Now I must hie me off to the store to buy groceries for all the meals I plan to have cooked and in the freezer before the family arrives for Christmas vacation. I don't want to be stuck in the kitchen the whole time they are here.
Have a wonderful day, and a very Merry Christmas!
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:22:47am |
re: #414 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter - not that I'm aware of, although Fox - FOX seems to be treating it as nothing unusual for a US Senate seat to be bought or sold.
And I posted a great, true drama up in #403!
Break a leg with that performance today!
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:23:30am |
re: #464 realwest
Pretty good. Our guv has opened up a can of worms with her "Holiday" display in the Capitol Rotunda. Fred Phelps wants to put up a sign sending everyone to hell and a bunch of Seinfeld fans want a Festivus pole. Makes the whole state look like a buncha morons.
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Rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:23:30am |
re: #488 CIA Reject
Sorry was being Facetious there is a South Park episode about a mixup when 2 NAMBLA's come to town one the Marlon Brando Look Alikes, the other Being the North American Man Boy Love Association.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:23:53am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:24:22am |
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:25:04am |
re: #476 realwest
Hey there gorgeous, *smooochies* back atcha! And uh, I'm not wearing a shirt, but appreciate the compliment anyway! LOL!
How are you doing today?
*boom-chicka-chicka-boom-chicka-chicka-boom*
:P
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:25:52am |
re: #492 Rancher
Sorry was being Facetious there is a South Park episode about a mixup when 2 NAMBLA's come to town one the Marlon Brando Look Alikes, the other Being the North American Man Boy Love Association.
That was a good one... they set up Butters to "take one for the team".
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:26:42am |
re: #428 doriangrey
You're a stud huh what's that mean - I mean what's your definition of a "stud"?
Almost nearly famous nearly Rock star driving a vette will only get ya so far, ya know!(he says, licking his eyebrows).
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:26:57am |
re: #310 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
I take it you are an advisor. You a CFP?
Sorry for the delay, had to go to work and immediately deal with a problem.
I used to be a CFO fiduciary and invested $100 million (relatively small by today's standards) for several agencies among other duties before I retired from that job. I also teach various college classes,including portfolio management and stock valuation, along with economics.
The last 5 years before I retired, I averaged a 28.6% rate of return a year on one fund I invested, so sometimes I know what I'm doing.
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Jed 1899 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:27:28am |
Plenty of fresh snow in the Adirondack Mt's this am.
Troy is in a state of emergency.Lots of ice to the south of the Dack's.
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:27:39am |
re: #492 Rancher
Sorry was being Facetious there is a South Park episode about a mixup when 2 NAMBLA's come to town one the Marlon Brando Look Alikes, the other Being the North American Man Boy Love Association.
No worries - I was 60% certain that you were joking but just wasn't sure Not a huge South Park fan myself. Hope my response didn't seem too forceful as I didn't mean to slam you.
Peace
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:28:18am |
re: #436 reine.de.tout
Hey good morning {reine} - how much snow did y'all get down there? Did any of it stick for any length of time?
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Rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:27am |
re: #501 CIA Reject
Nah didn't take it as overly forceful I just forgot my /// at the end.
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:28am |
We're beginning to see some interesting fallout from the Blago scandal. Some big cockroaches seem to have been caught in the light.
Businessmen with ties to both Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson discussed raising $1 million for Blagojevich to help persuade him to appoint Jackson to President-elect Barack Obama's vacant Senate seat, according to a published report.
Citing unnamed sources, the Chicago Tribune reports in a story for Friday's editions that businessman Raghuveer Nayak and Blagojevich aide Rajinder Bedi told attendees at an Oct. 31 meeting that they needed to raise the money for the governor to ensure Jackson's appointment.
"Raghu said he needed to raise a million for Rod to make sure Jesse got the seat," an unidentified source who attended the meeting told the Tribune. Blagojevich also attended the meeting, which was sponsored by Nayak, an Oak Brook businessman.
This story is getting better and better. I'm going to need more popcorn.
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:47am |
Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:55am |
Must fix pot of coffee...Good morning everyone..
Good yo see scottish here this morning
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:55am |
Opening bell in a minute or so---
dum de dum dum dummm
I still vote for UP at the end of the day...
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:09am |
re: #506 HoosierHoops
Mornin' HH. When is Indianna B-Ball going to get back to where it used to be?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:16am |
re: #505 pingjockey
Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.
I guess smoking will be OK now that Barry is president.
/to avoid that nasty hypocrisy thing.
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Rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:18am |
re: #505 pingjockey He claims hes going to use the plentiful Balconies at the White House if he falls off the horse.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:48am |
German Automakers Want Access to US Aid Package
German auto manufacturers want equal access to emergency funding for their US operations after the US House of Representatives passed a $14 billion bailout package to save the struggling US industry.
Fooled them...at least for the moment.
But, sure...why the hell not? We're going to be bailing-out every manner of failure anywho.
Crank-up those printing presses and if they can't print any faster, borrow some money from the oil-tick's and buy newer ones.
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Randall Gross Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:57am |
re: #505 pingjockey
Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.
Lots of presidents have smoked there. The secret service detail isn't going to want him smoking outside.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:32:29am |
re: #466 Miss Trixie
Aha - that kind of mood, eh? (see, I used "eh" which means I can speak Canadian!) well, ya know the door's always open to you here darlin'!
*smoooch*!
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Randall Gross Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:32:59am |
From Wildbeggar in email:
With the Ill. Gov. trying to auction off Barack Obama's senate seat, the Democrats and news pundits are
scrambling around to build a firewall to protect the Pesident-elect just as they did when the Whitewater
probe was focusing on the Clintons. Although Obama has denied any association with Begojevich, that
doesn't clear his staff from meeting or talking about some sort of a deal. Chicago politics have been crooked
for years and that's just the way of doing business. Obama hasn't been sworn in yet and already the
dirty heads are beginning to surface, Redzko is up to his ears in scandal, the Rev. Wright is still out there
spewing out hate from the pulpit and the investigation continues. With all the sleaze bags that Obama
hung with but still denies being close to still amazes a lot of people. His lame denials on T.V. with a lot
of "uhs" tells me he is searching for an escape route and you can bet the party is gathering funds to
pay for silence from those who know more. Remember Susan McDougal who did 18 months in prison
for refusing to testify against Clinton. The Democrats use their money to either buy votes or silence the
witnesses...
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:33:12am |
re: #505 pingjockey
Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.
The privilege of rank! And in my opinion Obama is pretty rank?
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:33:15am |
Let's have more regulation//
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WriterMom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:33:46am |
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:33:53am |
re: #498 realwest
You're a stud huh what's that mean - I mean what's your definition of a "stud"?
Almost nearly famous nearly Rock star driving a vette will only get ya so far, ya know!(he says, licking his eyebrows).
*blink*blink*
*thump*
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:34:33am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Looks like Iowahawk wasn't alone in reporting on the sale of Obama's seat on eBay. Looks like some folks actually did put Obama's seat up for bid on the website.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:34:33am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:34:50am |
re: #473 midwestgak
Good morning gak! I have news for Victor Davis Hanson: that America has been spared another 9/11 will forever prove to me that George W. Bush has been competent - not that I've always agreed with him, God know, but most assuredly comptetent.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:35:02am |
re: #512 Thanos
Lots of presidents have smoked there. The secret service detail isn't going to want him smoking outside.
I'm not worried about the smoking issue, having said that I demand that a pet deposit be set in place for that puppy...and it had damn well better be paper trained!
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:35:42am |
Dive! Dive! Dive! dow -188, s&p -19, compx -21
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:36:54am |
Off to go shovel salt in the mine... take care all!
{smooch} to all Lizardettes and FBV, just to creep him out, too.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:37:07am |
re: #475 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops - I'm actually feeling pretty damn proud -again and always of our brave Armed Forces - see #403 above for why.
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summergurl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:38:04am |
re: #524 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Dive! Dive! Dive! dow -188, s&p -19, compx -21
Yeah but the Market is as crazy as crazy gets - it may react positively to a move that involves saying NO to excess... Look what happened when we passed the other bailout, we dropped like a stone.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:38:29am |
re: #525 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Off to go shovel salt in the mine... take care all!
{smooch} to all Lizardettes and FBV, just to creep him out, too.
{smooch} back at you, Vet!
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:38:55am |
re: #522 realwest
Good morning gak! I have news for Victor Davis Hanson: that America has been spared another 9/11 will forever prove to me that George W. Bush has been competent - not that I've always agreed with him, God know, but most assuredly comptetent.
And he could answer tough questions off the cuff with confidence. Didn't have to back track or take 3 days to provide a response. I miss him already.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:39:10am |
re: #486 Walter L. Newton
Gee Walter, I didn't know you were interested in Filipino cooking!
;')
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:41:24am |
re: #517 WriterMom
Good morning: Check this out.
The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors
Hat tip: Jawa Report
If they love the Jordyptians so much, why don't they get their butts back over there and work from within to build governmental institutions?
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Miss Trixie Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:41:41am |
re: #531 realwest
Gee Walter, I didn't know you were interested in Filipino cooking!
;')
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You crack me up! :D
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:41:54am |
re: #505 pingjockey
Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.
Interesting trivia question there: Assuming he's allowed to- BO will be the first president to smoke [1] in the White House since who?
I'm thinking probably LBJ...
[1] Smoke TOBACCO that is...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:42:01am |
re: #525 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Success!
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:43:05am |
re: #517 WriterMom
Good morning: Check this out.
The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors
Hat tip: Jawa Report
There is a courageous man.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:43:12am |
re: #491 pingjockey
Well outta respect for Charles I won't say what I think should happen to Fred Phelps - plus I don't want to be banned what with tomorrow being my 5th year anniverary on LGF - but I think y'all know me well enough to know what I'm thinking about with regard to Phelps.
And your state government is outta it's mind if it gives in to Phelps and his crew of looney-tunes ('cept they ain't funny, at all)
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WriterMom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:43:46am |
re: #532 MandyManners
I actually think that this is just the socially acceptable way for them to express their deep seated hatred of Jews. I bet most of them don't give a rat's ass about the Palestinians.
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:43:56am |
re: #532 MandyManners
It is much easier to blame da Jooos! Than doing anything resembling work.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:44:56am |
re: #537 realwest
- plus I don't want to be banned what with tomorrow being my 5th year anniverary on LGF -
Happy (early) Fifth Anniversary!
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:45:53am |
re: #499 3 wood
Hey good morning 3 wood! Did ya see that Da Bears won AGAIN and are actually in the playoff hunt?!
What the heck?!
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:46:03am |
re: #537 realwest
Thus whole uproar started when the let the atheists put their 'holiday' message right next to the manger! Hell, let everynutbar, religion, whatever put something in there. The place is huge, just space them out.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:46:08am |
The Day the Earth Stood Still Yawned While Hollywood Preached
—Gabriel Malor
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
The "global warming action film" is in wide release today. Normally I'd be excited about a film wherein an alien destroys great chunks of humanity. But I have no desire to be lectured about the evils perpetrated upon poor, innocent Mother Earth. I can turn on Discovery, National Geographic, or CNN for that.
To bad. I loved the original.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:46:40am |
re: #537 realwest
Five years? Wow! That's like... half a decade. :^/
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:47:19am |
The Smokers:
2. John Adams, 1797-1801 A cigar man
4. James Madison, 1809-17 Also a stogie-lover
6. John Quincy Adams, 1825-29 Yet another cigar man
7. Andrew Jackson, 1829-37 Liked a cigar, but more so chewing tobacco
8. Martin Van Buren, 1837-41 All about the pipe
9. William Henry Harrison, 1841 Pipe guy too
10. John Tyler, 1841-45 Cigars
12. Zachary Taylor, 1849-50 Cigars too
17. Andrew Johnson, 1865-69 Liked cigars
18. Ulysses Simpson Grant, 1869-77 Cigar fiend, rumored to smoke 20 stogies a day
21. Chester Alan Arthur, 1881-85 Cigars
22. Grover Cleveland, 1885-89 Chew
23. Benjamin Harrison, 1889-93 Cigar
24. Grover Cleveland, 1893-97 Continued to chew
25. William McKinley, 1897-1901 Obsessive secret smoker of cigars behind closed doors
27. William Howard Taft, 1909-13 At 300 hundred pounds he quit cigar smoking when he reached office, which may have resulted in even further weight gain
29. Warren Gamaliel Harding, 1921-23 Cigars
30. Calvin Coolidge, 1923-29 Liked to use cigars as a prop to punctuate political discussions
31. Herbert Clark Hoover, 1929-33 Incessant smoker of high-end cigars
32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1933-45 Finally, a cigarette guy and our first chain smoker president
34. Dwight David Eisenhower, 1953-61 Cigarettes
35. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 1961-63 Cigars and cigarettes (loved Cubans) and it's reported Jackie O went through 3 packs of Salems a day
36. Lyndon Baines Johnson, 1963-69 Cigars and the occasional rolled cigarette
37. Richard Milhous Nixon, 1969-74 The occasional cigar
38. Gerald Rudolph Ford Jr , 1974-77 Nonstop pipe smoker
42. William Jefferson Clinton, 1993- 2001 Yeah, you know it
43. George W. Bush, 2001- 2009 There's no proof of W. smoking but come on, the guy was an alcoholic who must have puffed something, yet with no proof we couldn't include him in our survey
44. President Elect Barack Obama
[Link: nerve.com...]
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:48:05am |
According to some reports, the Israeli Air Force has conducted secret training missions to prepare for a future attack which will be aided by the X-band radar system, capable of intercepting Iran's newly tested medium-range ballistic missiles, recently installed by U.S. military personnel. If Israel perceives that time is running out on Iran, it may be forced to muster the political will to defend itself from a nuclear nightmare that Ahmadinejad has repeatedly promised. We believe Iran is now nuclear capable to some degree
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:48:41am |
re: #544 Nevergiveup
Damn, I was worried about that. Saw the trailer where Reeves says "your planet?" So it's a damn ecoreligion, preachy, bs? Crap.
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Learned Mother of Zion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:48:57am |
re: #517 WriterMom
Good morning: Check this out.
The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors
Hat tip: Jawa Report
What a crowd of piddling asshats.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:03am |
re: #505 pingjockey
Huh, you'd think so, wouldn't you. But I was discussing this with Mom and she said that since the WH is a national historic place, and since whoever occupies it is only there as a "renter" even the POTUS has to abide by the no smoking rules INSIDE the White House-that's why there's that wide veranda!
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:11am |
re: #538 WriterMom
I actually think that this is just the socially acceptable way for them to express their deep seated hatred of Jews. I bet most of them don't give a rat's ass about the Palestinians.
I wonder what would happen if the Jordyptians suddenly got their nation.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:37am |
re: #543 pingjockey
Thus whole uproar started when the let the atheists put their 'holiday' message right next to the manger! Hell, let everynutbar, religion, whatever put something in there. The place is huge, just space them out.
I think the issue here is not that they were allowed to put up a display. It's the fact that their display maligns the other religious displays. The Christmas and Chanukah displays don't do that.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:50am |
re: #539 pingjockey
It is much easier to blame da Jooos! Than doing anything resembling work.
Does Gaza have a functioning sewer system yet?
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:50am |
re: #544 Nevergiveup
The Day the Earth Stood Still Yawned While Hollywood Preached
—Gabriel Malor[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
The "global warming action film" is in wide release today. Normally I'd be excited about a film wherein an alien destroys great chunks of humanity. But I have no desire to be lectured about the evils perpetrated upon poor, innocent Mother Earth. I can turn on Discovery, National Geographic, or CNN for that.
To bad. I loved the original.
They needed an emotionless robot for the part...and found something even better-Keanu Reeves
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:50:28am |
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:50:44am |
re: #552 realwest
Hmmm. Don't think the Secret Service is gonna tell him no. But the White House caretaker might!
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:00am |
re: #511 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Good morning aboo! With all due respect, Fuck the German automakers. Let 'em ask Germany or the EU for some dough.
Or cut the prices on their damn automobiles.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:01am |
re: #546 Iron Fist
That summarizes everything that is wrong with the American Educational System. At least dude wasn't dealing drugs, I guess. My ex-wife had a joker when she was in high school that was convicted of selling pot to students.
IIRC, he was let come back to teach once he'd served his time.
I wouldn't be so sure that he wasn't. I mean, who knows what happened when he took kids off school grounds.
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:11am |
re: #554 Iron Fist
Um, Clinton enjoyed the occasional cigar. Oh, you said smoking. I doubt that Monica would have gone along with it if it had been lit.
Heh :-)
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yochanan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:28am |
i have a question for the LIZARDS OF THE MORNING?
should we call them CONGRESSCRITERS OR CONGRESSCROOKS?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:35am |
When Obama comes to NYC, will Bloomberg allow him to smoke?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:50am |
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:09am |
re: #555 Ford_Prefect
That too. Should have been clearer. That said, they still could've put it across the rotunda. The lack of common sense here is staggering.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:09am |
re: #554 Iron Fist
Um, Clinton enjoyed the occasional cigar. Oh, you said smoking. I doubt that Monica would have gone along with it if it had been lit.
ROFLMAO!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:27am |
re: #564 yochanan
i have a question for the LIZARDS OF THE MORNING?
should we call them CONGRESSCRITERS OR CONGRESSCROOKS?
I have many names for them and none are as nice as yours.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:55am |
re: #520 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk! LOL! - hey, the taxpayers of New Jersey might as well get something out of it too!
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:58am |
re: #556 MandyManners
Yep. Lake Arafat. It ocassionally floods and drowns people in shit though.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:53:26am |
re: #567 Iron Fist
We alredy knowa the answer to that question. They'd have a civil war immediately if they were ever given their shithole of a (failed) State.
They already have a little civil war going on?
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:53:53am |
re: #566 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning, jorline...
How are you this morning, scottish? All's well here, just a nippy morning.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:54:28am |
re: #529 Dustyvet
Good morning back atcha Dustyvet! Hope you're doing well today?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:54:52am |
Is it only me or does anyone else here think that Gov Blago looks alittle like Janet Reno?
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:55:39am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:55:55am |
Wow. Immigration to the US since 1870:
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:56:27am |
re: #567 Iron Fist
We alredy knowa the answer to that question. They'd have a civil war immediately if they were ever given their shithole of a (failed) State.
They'd just blame the Jews.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:56:28am |
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:56:36am |
re: #575 realwest
Good morning back atcha Dustyvet! Hope you're doing well today?
I am, and hope the same with you...:)
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yochanan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:01am |
re: #570 Hard Right
I have many names for them and none are as nice as yours.
REMEMBER this is charles house so i keep it clean.
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WriterMom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:06am |
re: #577 MandyManners
The Jordanians are Palestinians, they all hate each other. PUMA-Palestinian Unity My Ass.
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:10am |
So, Ahmadinejad is up to his usual antics. He's calling for genocide of Israel. Again. He's also repeating Hamas propaganda as fact - again. They have their playbooks and they're sticking to them religiously.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:10am |
re: #572 pingjockey
Yep. Lake Arafat. It ocassionally floods and drowns people in shit though.
Wasn't there one in place before Israel pulled out?
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WriterMom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:51am |
re: #567 Iron Fist
They've already been there, done that-think back to Arafish and King Hussein.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:55am |
re: #574 jorline
How are you this morning, scottish? All's well here, just a nippy morning.
I'm just fine, jorline, and hope you've been feeling well?
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:57am |
re: #583 WriterMom
The Jordanians are Palestinians, they all hate each other. PUMA-Palestinian Unity My Ass.
What about those in Gaza? Aren't they Egyptians?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:58:20am |
re: #584 lawhawk
So, Ahmadinejad is up to his usual antics. He's calling for genocide of Israel. Again. He's also repeating Hamas propaganda as fact - again. They have their playbooks and they're sticking to them religiously.
Yeah but Obama will make then an offer they can't refuse?
///
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:58:49am |
re: #582 yochanan
REMEMBER this is charles house so i keep it clean.
That's why I didn't post the names. :)
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:59:06am |
re: #545 Ford_Prefect
Actually it IS half-a-decade! LOL! Geez, it doesn't sound so good when ya put it that way!
But I'm still proud of it!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:59:21am |
re: #584 lawhawk
So, Ahmadinejad is up to his usual antics. He's calling for genocide of Israel. Again. He's also repeating Hamas propaganda as fact - again. They have their playbooks and they're sticking to them religiously.
Pun intended?
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:00:33am |
re: #585 MandyManners
Maybe there in the area where they had the new green houses and such. If it is taken care of like they took care of those greenhouses, it is destroyed.
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:00:39am |
I've been checking some of the spin-offs, and a couple of them focus on Rahm Emanuel's contacts/discussions with Blago the Impaler.
Food for thought: Given The One's propensity for tossing friends overboard, how long till Rahm a long adingdong gets tossed?
(over board/under bus)
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:00:58am |
re: #560 pingjockey
Don't kno why the Secret Service wouldn't - I would! The White House belongs to all of us; WE set the rules and allow him to reside there; there's no constitutionally mandated protection for evicting a President from the WH, ya know?!?
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:01:36am |
re: #594 ironbill
I've been checking some of the spin-offs, and a couple of them focus on Rahm Emanuel's contacts/discussions with Blago the Impaler.
Food for thought: Given The One's propensity for tossing friends overboard, how long till Rahm a long adingdong gets tossed?
(over board/under bus)
I think I hear a bus engine warming up...
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:02:11am |
re: #542 realwest
Hey good morning 3 wood! Did ya see that Da Bears won AGAIN and are actually in the playoff hunt
The Saints can't play in the cold.
Three of the Bears wins are against the Lions (twice) and the Rams.
They are not a play off team.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:02:26am |
re: #593 pingjockey
Maybe there in the area where they had the new green houses and such. If it is taken care of like they took care of those greenhouses, it is destroyed.
Such rage.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:02:31am |
re: #596 realwest
Don't kno why the Secret Service wouldn't - I would! The White House belongs to all of us; WE set the rules and allow him to reside there; there's no constitutionally mandated protection for evicting a President from the WH, ya know?!?
Yes there there is, just terminate his lease in 2012..:)
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:02:36am |
Good day fine lizards.
/America sucks.
I guess that's why everyone wants to come here. The allure of real freedom. Freedom that left-wing hollywood a-holes would throw away in an instant, if they could.
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:08am |
re: #596 realwest
Except the Prez is the Secret Services boss, or I should say the Sec. of the Treasury is their boss and the Prez is the Secretary of Teasurys boss. Mwahaha! So who knows.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:20am |
re: #595 Iron Fist
They've already held it, and the "moderate" terrorists lost. we should have cut off all ties with, and blockaded, Hamasistan formerly known as Gaza. We know if they ever do get a Palestinian State Hamas and Fatah will go at it for the bragging rights to oppress the "Palestinian" people.
I'd bet on Hamas if that happens. Those sons of bitches are ruthless as hell. They don't discriminate. They'll kill anybody.
Remember how they treated folks wanting to go for hajj?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:22am |
re: #564 yochanan
Is there a difference?!
And good morning yochanan!
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:23am |
re: #598 3 wood
The Saints can't play in the cold.
Three of the Bears wins are against the Lions (twice) and the Rams.
They are not a play off team.
3 wood - you make me sad. But alas . . .
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WriterMom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:32am |
re: #599 MandyManners
Such STOOPID EFFING JEWS who funded it.
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:40am |
re: #578 scottishbuzzsaw
Wow. Immigration to the US since 1870:
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
ack! I just posted that myself. Isn't that wild!?!
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:04:13am |
Last update - 16:15 12/12/2008
U.S. Army sends American-Israeli woman to Afghanistan
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
The Foreign Ministry Thursday began reviewing an unusual plea by a 55-year-old American-Israeli woman from Netanya who is fighting the U.S. Army's decision to send her to active reserve duty in Afghanistan.
I am sorry, but being in the Navy Reserves myself, you know EXACTLY what you signed on for and what the possible consequences are.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:04:39am |
Love the Union guy... It's all the Senate GOP fault... Blame the Republicans... As always...
HELLO! The American people are against giving more $$ to corporations to save their asses. They made their beds, let them lie in them!
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:04:51am |
re: #597 Hard Right
The MSM is in full "See... look, Obama's as clean as an ethical whistle" mode.
If Fitzgerald has Rahmithome on tape talking hard numbers, The New Living Breathing Christ President Elect will be in "not the Rahm I knew" mode in a flash
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:05:15am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:05:22am |
re: #554 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - Um, Clinton enjoyed the occasional cigar. Oh, you said smoking. I doubt that Monica would have gone along with it if it had been lit.
Yep, no bush fires at the WH - remember, only YOU can prevent Forest Fires!
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HoosierHoops Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:05:51am |
re: #508 pingjockey
Mornin' HH. When is Indianna B-Ball going to get back to where it used to be?
They have a very good coach...uh oh..Buddy is pulling up..Going to breakfast..see ya later
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rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:02am |
I'm still hoping Monday when the EC meets they determine the Obamanation is unsuitable for office and stick old John boy in the Office.
Rustler
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invictus1 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:10am |
re: #597 Hard Right
I think I hear a bus engine warming up...
So is there even space under the bus by now? Maybe the "Office of the President Elect" can buy a train!
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tackle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:10am |
re: #576 Nevergiveup
Is it only me or does anyone else here think that Gov Blago looks alittle like Janet Reno?
That's who it is! That hair is just weird.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:14am |
re: #611 Nevergiveup
Last update - 16:15 12/12/2008
U.S. Army sends American-Israeli woman to Afghanistan
I am sorry, but being in the Navy Reserves myself, you know EXACTLY what you signed on for and what the possible consequences are.
What are they?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:26am |
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:26am |
re: #613 ironbill
The MSM is in full "See... look, Obama's as clean as an ethical whistle" mode.
If Fitzgerald has Rahmithome on tape talking hard numbers, The New Living Breathing Christ President Elect will be in "not the Rahm I knew" mode in a flash
"I did not authorize Mr. Emanuel to hold discussions with the Governor and I am saddened and sobered that he did...'
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:36am |
re: #610 Iron Fist
I'm hoping they impeach the Obamessiah before he takes the Oath of Office. Change!
(I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it, though)
I'm sort of hoping that happens, but I'm not holding my berath either. Anybody know where I can get a copy of "Seven Days In May" on short notice?
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:40am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:00am |
re: #609 FrogMarch
ack! I just posted that myself. Isn't that wild!?!
I actually teared up seeing the increasing flow of those seeking freedom. Makes me despise our home-grown America-haters even more...
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:09am |
re: #516 midwestgak
And how are they supposed to get their fresh produce trucked out of the valley...
Horse and carriage? Railway?
No, they'll make the diesel rig truckers line up at the border and transfer the goods into the trucks sitting in Arizona.
; (
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rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:16am |
re: #615 realwest That just proves the cigar wasn't lit or there would have been a Bush fire.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:19am |
re: #607 WriterMom
Such STOOPID EFFING JEWS who funded it.
They left them some good stuff but, the Jordyptians were too blinded by hatred to take care of it. More than anything, to me that shows their true intent: to make war on Israel. If they really wanted their own state, they'd build on what they have.
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lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:28am |
re: #597 Hard Right
I'd like to see Obama toss Rahm under the bus, but I have a feeling that it won't happen. Unless Rahm is caught red-handed (on tape?) committing a felony, then Obama won't risk his oh-so precious image by having to fire his top advisor before he even assumes Office.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:38am |
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:48am |
Bush Blinked.
The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.
Treasury to aid auto makers until Congress can act
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Treasury Department said Friday that it would step in and lend funds to the Big 3 auto-makers until Congress has time to consider a long-term rescue package next year. Talks on a rescue package broke down in the Senate late on Thursday night, making action on a bailout impossible until next year. "Because Congress failed to act, we will stand ready to prevent an imminent failure until Congress reconvenes and acts to address the long-term viability of the industry," Treasury spokeswoman Brooklyn McLaughlin said in a statement. Funds for the auto companies are likely to come from the Trouble Asset Relief plan. The decision to use TARP funds is a shift in the previous White House position that the $700 billion dollars should be limited to stabilizing the financial sector.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:51am |
re: #613 ironbill
The MSM is in full "See... look, Obama's as clean as an ethical whistle" mode.
If Fitzgerald has Rahmithome on tape talking hard numbers, The New Living Breathing Christ President Elect will be in "not the Rahm I knew" mode in a flash
Yup. Just more of the same from the election. Rahm better wear a helmet. I hear it's a rough ride under there.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:08:02am |
re: #616 realwest
PIMF: brush fires! So sorry!
'Remember only you can prevent wildfires"
Smokie Da Bear!
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:08:40am |
re: #634 3 wood
We're a disaster... Have to say it but George W. Bush has destroyed the GOP...
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:09:11am |
re: #612 tfc3rid
I hate unions. HATE. It's nothing against an individual union member. I detest the whole union enchilada. Unions kill businesses. Unions suck the life out of business. Unions are a micro-version of socialism. It's a bloated ponzi scheme.
In 2007 GM and Toyota sold roughly sold the same number of cars. GM lost billions, Toyota made a profit. The difference? GM is union.
Want to kill a profitable business? Go union.
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3 wood Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:09:12am |
re: #606 midwestgak
3 wood - you make me sad. But alas . . .
Have you seen the Bears defense stop a decent offense yet this year?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:09:54am |
re: #617 Ward Cleaver
Good morning Ward! Hope all is well in the Cleaver household today!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:10:00am |
re: #632 lincolntf
I'd like to see Obama toss Rahm under the bus, but I have a feeling that it won't happen. Unless Rahm is caught red-handed (on tape?) committing a felony, then Obama won't risk his oh-so precious image by having to fire his top advisor before he even assumes Office.
If I'm reading the reports correctly he may have been recorded doing just that. If he gets run over it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:10:08am |
The UAW is saying they do not know who Sen Corker is representing? Hum...Maybe just Maybe the AMERICAN PEOPLE you ass hat!
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:11:10am |
re: #635 Hard Right
Rahm Emanuel is, for all intent and purposes, a corrupt scumbag bully. I don't wish ill on anyone. However, if the concept of karma is true, and he gets pinched, ruined, destoyed...
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:11:24am |
re: #634 3 wood
Bush Blinked.
The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.
Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:11:49am |
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:12:15am |
re: #644 Iron Fist
I recall something along those lines. Didn't they trow some people off of buildings during that little house party? Palestinians are so routinely violent that the various examples of it blend in together.
Kind of like an abstract painting only done in hate and bloodshed. Now that the One is taking office, maybe they can get an NEA grant or something for their continued hard work.
Next time they can lay some white canvas down before tossing people off buildings. Then they trim and frame the splat marks. Impact art...
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:12:37am |
re: #643 Nevergiveup
The UAW is saying they do not know who Sen Corker is representing? Hum...Maybe just Maybe the AMERICAN PEOPLE you ass hat!
To hell with the UAW! The UAW and the economically inept democrats are all part of the anti-profit pro-socialism anti-competitive business model. Idiots.
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Rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:12:54am |
re: #595 Iron Fist
I'd bet on Hamas if that happens. Those sons of bitches are ruthless as hell. They don't discriminate. They'll kill anybody.
They also have major financial and military support from Iran. Fatah has us. Will Obama continue supporting Fatah against Hamas?
Real Rancher
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:13am |
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:15am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:22am |
re: #634 3 wood
Bush Blinked.
The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.
This is why we have lost the last few elections. We are no better than democrats?
Well you know who i mean by "we"
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:32am |
re: #643 Nevergiveup
The UAW is saying they do not know who Sen Corker is representing? Hum...Maybe just Maybe the AMERICAN PEOPLE you ass hat!
Corker represents a state that has given massive incentives to foreign automakers to build their factories there. He doesn't represent this American.
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akak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:39am |
Hey look at that the dow is only down -125. Now if people stopped lying, maybe this stuff could get righted!
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:42am |
re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?
I think because they know the government will never let them fail...
Nice job in picking up Ibanez...
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CIA Reject Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:45am |
re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?
Maybe they figure that they can retain all the perks for senior management that a bankruptcy court would require them to lose?
Don't know- just a guess.
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:14:06am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:14:23am |
re: #634 3 wood
Wait a minute - is the Tarp language elastic enough for Treasury to overrule Congress' decision to NOT give the BIG 3 the money they've asked for?
Who fucked up that legislative language?
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:14:34am |
re: #639 FrogMarch
Speaking of Ponzi schemes, here's one that makes Enron and Worldcom look like a bunch of pikers.
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lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:03am |
re: #642 Hard Right
I'll have to go look over some more news stories. I've seen a bunch of wishy-washy non-denial denials percolating but nothing too "big" yet. I know it's akin to beating a dead horse, but can you all imagine what the press coverage/tone would be if this were a Republican scandal? 60 Minutes specials, 24-hour stakeouts of everyone in Chicago politics, calls for resignations, tortured lists of connections and timelines connecting the Pres.-elect to every single dirty dealer involved, etc... It would be a feeding frenzy.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:05am |
re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?
Exactly. They will be forced to make green cars no one wants which will cause them to lose money and eventually go under anyway. Just do it right the first time you halfwits!
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akak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:06am |
re: #650 Rancher
They also have major financial and military support from Iran. Fatah has us. Will Obama continue supporting Fatah against Hamas?
Real Rancher
Hamas just got NIS 100 million from Israel.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:56am |
re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds?
Because the hope to be run with Amtrak-like, steely efficiency.
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:02am |
re: #627 taxfreekiller
He'll be picking feathers out his teeth in prison for awhile...
; )
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:05am |
re: #659 realwest
TARP gives Treasury pretty much full discretion to use the money as it sees fit to solve the fiscal crisis, even with the regulations it has put in place.
The justification could be simply that this is to bolster GMAC and the other lending units for the automakers...
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:08am |
It's like that ol' skit from 'In Living Color'
More Money, More Money, More Money...
That's all these assholes want, more money... It's sickening... It's disgraceful... Ae are becoming a socilaist country and there is NOTHING we can do about it...
HE HE... People cannot leve criticism at the men and women of the UAW... HE HE HE...
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:12am |
re: #634 3 wood
Bush Blinked.
The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.
Unfrigged believable. Does anyone else feel the utter helplessness?
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:28am |
re: #594 ironbill
I've been checking some of the spin-offs, and a couple of them focus on Rahm Emanuel's contacts/discussions with Blago the Impaler.
Food for thought: Given The One's propensity for tossing friends overboard, how long till Rahm a long adingdong gets tossed?
(over board/under bus)
Rahm won't be one to just go silently under the bus, if his past activities are any indication. He's quite a loud mouth bully. That's why it's so odd that Rahm is in hiding right now, avoiding the press.
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:30am |
re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
This is all about stasis. In 2005 or 6 I believe, GM's board seriously considered bankruptcy protection. The directors and the unions concluded that if they both had to go before a bankruptcy judge for restructuring both management and labor would have to take big cuts in compensation.
They looked at the big picture and said, how long can we keep the gravy train running vs. creating a sustainable business model
Gravy train won
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:01am |
re: #627 taxfreekiller
Fox eats hen house.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Wow, that just made Marc Rich jealous.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:12am |
re: #647 midwestgak
and what the possible consequences are.
When you sign on the bottom line and take the Oath, you know you are not only suppose to "Drill" a certain number of weekends and also serve on "active duty" for a predetermined amount of time each year ( usually around 24 days- but that can vary ) but also you are subject to call up to ACTIVE DUTY when the need arises as is determined by your Command and under the Authority of the President of The United States. There is NO grey area.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:19am |
re: #644 Iron Fist
I recall something along those lines. Didn't they trow some people off of buildings during that little house party? Palestinians are so routinely violent that the various examples of it blend in together.
Kind of like an abstract painting only done in hate and bloodshed. Now that the One is taking office, maybe they can get an NEA grant or something for their continued hard work.
The hajj incident was last week, and I don't recall reading about another round of death-by-building.
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rw in san diego Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:20am |
Good morning, all. I just turned on the TV and am listening to a UAW spokesman excoriating the Republican Senators. Gah! I think the unions were a major factor in the problems with the American auto industry.
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:20am |
re: #592 Hard Right
I'm very deliberate in my choice of words... :)
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:26am |
Yet another anti-Israeli article in the Globe & Mail about the poor Palis forced to use tunnels to get around the Israeli blockade... to bring in much needed food, medicine, drugs, consumer electronics, hookers, guns & bombs. (OK, they didn't mention those last 4 items.)
The funny thing is they never mention the fact that Egypt has closed it's border with Gaza, too. Also, the tunnels all run to Egypt where a thriving smuggling business operates in the border town.
I have a few questions for knowledgeable LGFers:
Why did Egypt close their border? What is stopping them from opening the border? Why don't the Pali sympathizers ever protest the Egyptian blockade of Gaza? (OK, I know the answer to that one!)
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:35am |
re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?
Historically, big business gets into bed with big government to suppress competition...if they can't fail, there's no reason to make things better.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:46am |
Good Morning Lizards! I haven't been outside yet, so I can't tell you what it is doing in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. I can tell you it is not dark out.
How are you-all this morning and what are we talking about?
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:07am |
re: #660 lawhawk
Speaking of Ponzi schemes, here's one that makes Enron and Worldcom look like a bunch of pikers.
And the Dems hang the whole thing on the Bush administration in 5...4...3...2...1...
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:11am |
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:48am |
re: #661 lincolntf
I'll have to go look over some more news stories. I've seen a bunch of wishy-washy non-denial denials percolating but nothing too "big" yet. I know it's akin to beating a dead horse, but can you all imagine what the press coverage/tone would be if this were a Republican scandal? 60 Minutes specials, 24-hour stakeouts of everyone in Chicago politics, calls for resignations, tortured lists of connections and timelines connecting the Pres.-elect to every single dirty dealer involved, etc... It would be a feeding frenzy.
Exactly. We would hear 24 hour reports demanding to know what the Rep knew and when he knew it. I'm on another site where a few obamatons are screaming about how unfair and overhyped this is. Another one went postal already. We have a bet going as to when another will snap.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:54am |
re: #656 tfc3rid
Nice job in picking up Ibanez...
What? When did that happen? I watched the sports news this morning before work & didn't hear about that.
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:19:10am |
Good Morning Senior Lizards and fellow Hatchlings. FNC has a UAW Spokesman on right now Begging for Tarp money for Chrysler and GMC. 'Hints' that UAW is prepared to make concessions...RIGHT. (Should have done that b4, if they are serious.) So what are we discussing?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:19:35am |
re: #654 Honorary Yooper
Good morning HY - do you support this action by the Treasury department?
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:19:47am |
re: #660 lawhawk
Speaking of Ponzi schemes, here's one that makes Enron and Worldcom look like a bunch of pikers.
Wow.
Madoff is a former chairman of Nasdaq and was arrested after his two sons turned him in for running a business that has been insolvent for years. In other words, he pulled the wool over the eyes of regulators who are supposed to make sure that things like this don't happen.
Instapundit points out that Madoff was a big backer of Democrats,
Incredible.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:20:11am |
re: #669 midwestgak
Unfrigged believable. Does anyone else feel the utter helplessness?
Yes, because our auto industry has been tossed to to curb by our media and our government many times in the past. While other countries such as Japan, Korea, Germany, and China bolster their industries, we tell ours to drop dead. We have a media that actively denegrates them at every opportunity, as if they have a death wish for American industry. Any time Ford has a recall, it's large headlines and front page. Any time Toyota has a recall (and they have as many as Ford now), it's in the middle of the news, if it is reported at all.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:20:39am |
re: #685 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
What? When did that happen? I watched the sports news this morning before work & didn't hear about that.
This morning... 3 years/$30 Million...
UAW hack saying that Big 3 bankruptcy would mean liquidation most likely... SCARE TACTICS...
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:20:43am |
re: #654 Honorary Yooper
This is an interesting sentiment - those "foreign" plants are providing great wages and benefits to Americans. They are solvent, they aren't begging for cash anywhere. Those "foreign" plants have developed a manufacturing system "Lean" that other industries emulate. I don't see many industries emulating GM any longer, do you?
Who does the UAW represent, in your view?
(Not being snarky, I seriously am interested in learning more about why you feel this way)
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:14am |
I want more money. How much should I charge the Democrats for my conversion?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:16am |
re: #634 3 wood
Bush Blinked.
The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.
See #174 supra - it's gonna happen!
Will the markets like this?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:16am |
The UAW keeps saying that bankruptcy is not an option? Why are GM and Chrysler so special? Better watch out your wishing for UAW!
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:20am |
re: #679 ggt
Good Morning Lizards! I haven't been outside yet, so I can't tell you what it is doing in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. I can tell you it is not dark out.
How are you-all this morning and what are we talking about?
Morning ggt. It's sunny and cold.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:29am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:46am |
re: #688 realwest
Good morning HY - do you support this action by the Treasury department?
It's too little too late. When we should've had more support for the industry earlier, we were busy telling them to drop dead. No other country does this to its own industries.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:29am |
re: #689 FrogMarch
His sons turned him in? Because they are honest, or because he didn't give them a cut?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:38am |
re: #657 CIA Reject
I'd say that's a damn good bet. The UAW is, IMO, the single biggest reason why 2* of the Big 3 are in such trouble, but they are followed pretty closely behind by years and years of incredibly inept, irresponsible and grossly overpaid management and Boards of Directors.
*Ford isn't looking for money now, just a sort of line of credit in case they run into cash flow problems next year.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:39am |
re: #690 Honorary Yooper
Yes, because our auto industry has been tossed to to curb by our media and our government many times in the past.
Um... actually, our government has ridden to their rescue in the past.
Detroit's problems are largely of their own making.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:39am |
Is the UAW dude not wearing a suit to show he is a friend of the working man?
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tackle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:41am |
Listening to these union guys say "bankruptcy is not an option" makes my head want to explode. These guys are in denial. Failure must be an option in order for growth. If you don't admit you have a problem, you can't change.
My brother's small business works with the auto industry and stands to lose alot of business if they do, but even he isn't hoping for a bailout.
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:57am |
I absolutely detest our legislators right now.
Here was a real opportunity to transform American industry.
Instead of a bail-out, Congress should have removed all the mountains of regulation the Big 3 are compelled to work under (cafe, emissions, California restrictions...)
The Democrats screwed the auto industry because they could never figure out who was their master: Enviro-nuts or Labor.
As critical as I am of the Republican party, this one, like the mortgage crisis rode in on a donkey and not an elephant.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:26am |
re: #703 MandyManners
Is the UAW dude not wearing a suit to show he is a friend of the working man?
Want to guess at his salary?
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:38am |
re: #698 Honorary Yooper
It's too little too late. When we should've had more support for the industry earlier, we were busy telling them to drop dead. No other country does this to its own industries.
The leaders of the auto industry should've shown a bit of spine at the bargaining table and told the UAW to stick it. They should've let the unions strike and then lock out the workers until the union caved. but it seems like NO ONE has a spine any more.
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:43am |
re: #550 pingjockey
Damn, I was worried about that. Saw the trailer where Reeves says "your planet?" So it's a damn ecoreligion, preachy, bs? Crap.
It's always been an ecoreligion. Why do you think they always shut down debate?
Gore is doing it purely out of greed, but the others don't have that much of an investment in it...
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:52am |
re: #692 ArmyWife
Actually, I don't give a damn about the UAW, they should've been told to fuck off in the 30s when they pulled their first sit-ins and strikes. What I see is people who give massive tax breaks to the foreign automakers, but tell our own to drop dead. It's hypocitical, IMHO.
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:56am |
re: #696 midwestgak
Good Morn-San Antonio up to 42F about now. I'm also awaiting topic list.
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Harry Tuttle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:13am |
Screw George Bush
"Facing the potential bankruptcy of iconic American firms, President Bush on Friday abandoned his longstanding objection to using using the Wall Street bailout fund to help save G.M. and Chrysler."
I want to see him and Paulson and Frank and Reid and Pelosi in orange jumpsuits. They are selling out this country and we will not be able to recover from the thievery and looting.
Wake up you fools they are raping us and pissing on our and our children's future.
I have called and called my Senator who is a worthless piece of crap and often just get hung up on. They have no desire to serve the poeple and feel they are untouchable and in many ways they are.
And then the looters give us Obama the corrupt piece of shot Chacago hack lying idiot is going to serve as president.
It is over, the republic is lost.
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:28am |
re: #669 midwestgak
Sing along everyone...
Look for the union label...
Bush Securing votes for the next elections.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:31am |
re: #665 Occasional Reader
ROTFLMAO! Good morning O.R. - hope you're doing well this morning!
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:32am |
re: #705 ironbill
Congress should have removed all the mountains of regulation the Big 3 are compelled to work under (cafe, emissions, California restrictions...)
You want NO emissions standards?!
I've lived in countries that had no real emissions standards. Believe me, it's not something you want.
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Spider Mensch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:35am |
Movie recommendation. "Arranged" My wife rented it recently for us. an Indy type film, about the friendship that develops between a single Orthodox Jewish girl and a single muslim girl who find out despite their obvious cultural differences they do have much in common regarding family traditional ways. Set in Brooklyn, it deals with arranged marriages from the women themselves and how they feel about it. I know we've touched this subject here before, but this film gives a different perspective on the subject.
check it out.
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:44am |
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:53am |
re: #713 Harry Tuttle
Screw George Bush
"Facing the potential bankruptcy of iconic American firms, President Bush on Friday abandoned his longstanding objection to using using the Wall Street bailout fund to help save G.M. and Chrysler."
I want to see him and Paulson and Frank and Reid and Pelosi in orange jumpsuits. They are selling out this country and we will not be able to recover from the thievery and looting.
Wake up you fools they are raping us and pissing on our and our children's future.
I have called and called my Senator who is a worthless piece of crap and often just get hung up on. They have no desire to serve the poeple and feel they are untouchable and in many ways they are.
And then the looters give us Obama the corrupt piece of shot Chacago hack lying idiot is going to serve as president.
It is over, the republic is lost.
Have you considered decaff?
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:03am |
I'm back. So I'm not the only one appalled by this union thug?!
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:07am |
re: #699 Iron Fist
"Peace does not serve their (or their Master's) goals."
Peace on their terms = slavery
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:18am |
The UAW seems to hate the Republicans. Now I know I am on the correct side!
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:22am |
re: #691 tfc3rid
This morning... 3 years/$30 Million...
UAW hack saying that Big 3 bankruptcy would mean liquidation most likely... SCARE TACTICS...
It eventually would mean liquidation; that is, selling off assets to other automakers (read: foreign). Who would buy cars made by a company that's in Chapter 11? After all, there's no guarantee that a company that goes into Chapter 11 will re-emerge from it. Buying cars isn't like buying VCRs, and if people thought there was a chance that their new car warranties would go away, they wouldn't buy.
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:22am |
re: #610 Iron Fist
I'm hoping they impeach the Obamessiah before he takes the Oath of Office. Change!
(I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it, though)
Two words: President Biden.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:45am |
Little fucker won't meet the lower wage question head on.
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WriterMom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:54am |
re: #652 Occasional Reader
Good morning. Good one!
That's pretty brave in my opinion...Those Palestinian activists have teh crazy in their eyes...I believe they are capable of serious violence.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:04am |
re: #710 Honorary Yooper
What I see is people who give massive tax breaks to the foreign automakers, but tell our own to drop dead.
What exactly are you referring to?
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:13am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:16am |
re: #702 Occasional Reader
Um... actually, our government has ridden to their rescue in the past.
Detroit's problems are largely of their own making.
Gerald Ford told them to "drop dead" in the mid-70s. The only "rescue" that was done was the loan given to Chrysler in the early 1980s. As for making their own problems, they did have a part in it, but I also lay a good part of the blame at the feet of the MSM. They created and maintained the image that people have today.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:30am |
re: #720 pingjockey
I'm back. So I'm not the only one appalled by this union thug?!
I'd like to know what his salary is? And no your not.
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:45am |
re: #678 scottishbuzzsaw
Historically, big business gets into bed with big government to suppress competition...if they can't fail, there's no reason to make things better.
Like In Europe. Many European businesses are backed by a
behind-the-scenes government prop-up. The problem is-- that model kills incentive, it kills R & D, and it kills real market competition. Democrat socialists don't like competition.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:46am |
re: #716 Occasional Reader
You want NO emissions standards?!
I've lived in countries that had no real emissions standards. Believe me, it's not something you want.
But perhaps that's what makes their women so lovely?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:58am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:03am |
re: #681 jorline
Good morning jorline! How are ya doing today?!
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:11am |
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:14am |
re: #726 WriterMom
Those Palestinian activists have teh crazy in their eyes...I believe they are capable of serious violence
Palestinians? Capable of violence? Nooo...! Get outta town!
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Harry Tuttle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:14am |
re: #719 Hard Right
Have you considered decaff?
///
If you aren't pissed you should be. I want my country back. This is not America.
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:20am |
re: #730 Nevergiveup
Way more than I make I'm sure. His health plan is alot better too.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:22am |
re: #703 MandyManners
Is the UAW dude not wearing a suit to show he is a friend of the working man?
it's not cool to wear an Armani suit, while your pretending to be a friend of the rank and file working folk...
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:28am |
re: #706 taxfreekiller
Hey, there's certainly no loss of HOPE around here...
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:31am |
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:49am |
Why doesn't Fox put this punk's name up on the screen?
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:54am |
'The only way to ensure workers have a voice and equality is thought Unions...'
Give me a break...
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:01am |
re: #710 Honorary Yooper
Actually, I don't give a damn about the UAW, they should've been told to fuck off in the 30s when they pulled their first sit-ins and strikes. What I see is people who give massive tax breaks to the foreign automakers, but tell our own to drop dead. It's hypocitical, IMHO.
Yes, look at Richard Shelby in Alabama. Daimler-Benz got hundreds of millions in tax breaks and other perks, to locate their plant in Vance, the one that builds ML-Class SUVs.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:03am |
re: #710 Honorary Yooper
I grew-up in Detroit during the 70's when they bBig-3 were really hurting. It was not fun, bad economic times invite crime.
I am glad I don't live there anymore.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:06am |
re: #723 Ward Cleaver
It eventually would mean liquidation; that is, selling off assets to other automakers (read: foreign). Who would buy cars made by a company that's in Chapter 11? After all, there's no guarantee that a company that goes into Chapter 11 will re-emerge from it. Buying cars isn't like buying VCRs, and if people thought there was a chance that their new car warranties would go away, they wouldn't buy.
Well, wouldn't that free them from the union contracts? If people hear they will then be able to turn a profit, I think they would still buy. Besides, their cars are cheaper than than the Japanese cars.
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:49am |
re: #703 MandyManners
Yeah, yous got a pwoblem wid dat?
(sound of knuckles cracking)
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tackle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:53am |
This union guy isn't making the unions look very good. He comes acrossed as a jerk. I don't want to be lectured on the value of unions. What have you done for me lately?
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:57am |
re: #718 midwestgak
DOW -119.71
Don't worry. Once the big three file for bankruptcy, throw the corrupt UAW out, re-organize, they will come back strong.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:07am |
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:09am |
re: #707 Nevergiveup
Want to guess at his salary?
Well we already know his salary can afford a whole closet of Versace suits.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:18am |
re: #744 Ward Cleaver
Yes, look at Richard Shelby in Alabama. Daimler-Benz got hundreds of millions in tax breaks and other perks, to locate their plant in Vance, the one that builds ML-Class SUVs.
I'm sure if the US auto makers wanted a plant built in a certain place they would get the tax breaks as well...
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:19am |
re: #710 Honorary Yooper
OK. I think we should give incentives to business who want to come here. Louisiana is great at this. If you don't tax them to oblivion, they will come. Has the Auto industry considered moving to a more business friendly area? The UAW would have a cow, but the UAW cows are what created this debacle, along with management's unwillingness to take the thuggery on.
I will say this, the UAW would be MASTERS at a corporate campaign, smearing the snot out of management and intimidating their families. Not an excuse, but I can see it being an issue. Heck, in my little corner of labor, I get threats during negotiations - last year I had to have a guard at my house because my husband was in Iraq. Union leaders. Loverly people.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:23am |
re: #743 tfc3rid
'The only way to ensure workers have a voice and equality is thought Unions...'
Give me a break...
I don't like the UAW either, but to be fair to them, they've accepted major pay cuts. Now they need to give up on the jobs bank.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:29am |
re: #737 Harry Tuttle
If you aren't pissed you should be. I want my country back. This is not America.
I choose to express my anger in different ways, that's all.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:41am |
re: #732 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
But perhaps that's what makes their women so lovely?
Maybe Revlon should start a smog-based line of cosmetics?
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rw in san diego Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:41am |
re: #720 pingjockey
No, you're not! This guy is aggravating my ulcer.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:47am |
re: #713 Harry Tuttle
Nice positive post from someone who doesn't post very often.
/Harry Tuttle? gah
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tackle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:01am |
re: #728 MandyManners
$150,000.00?
You think he could afford a better looking shirt. Oh, wait, Mandy reminded us he's a man of the people.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:15am |
re: #739 Dustyvet
it's not cool to wear an Armani suit, while your pretending to be a friend of the rank and file working folk...
When the City transit workers in Philadelphia went on strike a few years ago, their spokesman was the biggest slob they could find. Shabby clothes, bad teeth - says a lot about the union dental plan!
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:36am |
re: #713 Harry Tuttle
Screw George Bush
"Facing the potential bankruptcy of iconic American firms, President Bush on Friday abandoned his longstanding objection to using using the Wall Street bailout fund to help save G.M. and Chrysler."
I want to see him and Paulson and Frank and Reid and Pelosi in orange jumpsuits. They are selling out this country and we will not be able to recover from the thievery and looting.
Wake up you fools they are raping us and pissing on our and our children's future.
I have called and called my Senator who is a worthless piece of crap and often just get hung up on. They have no desire to serve the poeple and feel they are untouchable and in many ways they are.
And then the looters give us Obama the corrupt piece of shot Chacago hack lying idiot is going to serve as president.
It is over, the republic is lost.
And we have Cap and Trade to look forward to.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:42am |
re: #749 taxfreekiller
Bring the Marines home, let the build the cars, if the U.A.W. thugs try to stop them, good luck union thugs.
the cars could be built now with 1/2 the labor current on the dole at GM
Actually with the newest UAW contracts, there's no longer a huge difference in pay between the UAW plants, and the non-union transplants.
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Harry Tuttle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:00am |
The Unions aren't to blame alone, it is the people with controlling the purse with their hands in your pocket.
Down with king George!
No taxation without representation!
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:07am |
re: #698 Honorary Yooper
NO - we didn't tell our industries to drop dead, our industries - airlines, airplane manufacturers, all sorts, have been done in by their own greed - labor and management.
And what other nations would you wish us to emulate in saving "our" industries?
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:16am |
re: #714 notutopia
You really think the Unions will remember that Bush did this? HA! They will be back to hating on big corporations (those same ones signing the paychecks), and saying Republicans hate "the working man".
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:17am |
re: #749 taxfreekiller
Bring the Marines home, let the build the cars, if the U.A.W. thugs try to stop them, good luck union thugs.
the cars could be built now with 1/2 the labor current on the dole at GM
Wonder if Ford would make the 105 MM Howitzer on the Crown Victoria standard or an option?
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:42am |
re: #756 Ward Cleaver
I don't like the UAW either, but to be fair to them, they've accepted major pay cuts. Now they need to give up on the jobs bank.
I think that both the Union and the Big 3 must realize that bad business practice and models lead to failing business...
Fix it... Take the time and the effort to fix it... Don't rely on the government...
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:53am |
re: #716 Occasional Reader
I didn't say "no emissions standards"
what I was alluding to was the fact that the automakers have 3 different regulatory standards within the US as to emission controls for gasoline powered vehicles.
Compliance with these standards means they have to build a different car for California, a different car for New York, a different car for...
That's a lot of overhead. Just make it simple.
California wants to make auto manufacturers liable for air pollution to the tune of several billion dollars. This is insanity. Why stay in business.
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:54am |
re: #756 Ward Cleaver
I don't like the UAW either, but to be fair to them, they've accepted major pay cuts. Now they need to give up on the jobs bank.
Major pay cuts? From who? Just what is the STARTING wage of a UAW person? Isn't it like $23 an hour? For a high school drop out, unskilled laborer? Give me a break. UAW workers are underskilled, overpaid parasites.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:15am |
re: #765 midwestgak
And we have Cap and Trade to look forward to.
Cap and trade and card check will utterly destory this country.
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Learned Mother of Zion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:30am |
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:30am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:35am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:43am |
re: #758 Occasional Reader
Maybe Revlon should start a smog-based line of cosmetics?
It adds color to your cheeks and lungs!
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:49am |
IIRC, back in the 90s, McDonald Douglas was going to build a plant in Cula Vista, Ca. South of San Diego, between the State regulations and the Union the company went to Arkansas. Cheaper labor, non-union and tax breaks.
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:54am |
re: #703 MandyManners
Is the UAW dude not wearing a suit to show he is a friend of the working man?
It's all smoke and mirrors - and major manipulation. If the big three are allowed to go bankrupt - the UAW might be toast. Which is great news for Detroit.
The UAW is desperate.
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:55am |
Hey Mr. Middlefinger, President of the UAW. I don't two shits what Toyota, Honda and Nissan are paying their workers. The companies you represent are broke and asking for our money. This means everyone in the Big Three have to make concessions and cut cost. I'm sure if the worker you represent would want 80% of what they currently have than 100% of nothing.
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:56am |
re: #766 Ward Cleaver
There is a HUGE difference in benefits, though, most especially retiree - and those are not a mandatory subject of bargaining.
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Harry Tuttle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:59am |
re: #757 Hard Right
I choose to express my anger in different ways, that's all.
Yes and I can see how far that has gotten us.
Everybody just cool down and listen to the orders of your betters.
Just shut up and do what you are told.
Sheep.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:18am |
Here is a reminder of what a true leader is.
The decay of the Soviet experiment should come as no surprise to us. Wherever the comparisons have been made between free and closed societies -- West Germany and East Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia, Malaysia and Vietnam -- it is the democratic countries what are prosperous and responsive to the needs of their people. And one of the simple but overwhelming facts of our time is this: Of all the millions of refugees we've seen in the modern world, their flight is always away from, not toward the Communist world. Today on the NATO line, our military forces face east to prevent a possible invasion. On the other side of the line, the Soviet forces also face east to prevent their people from leaving.
In the Middle East now the guns sound once more, this time in Lebanon, a country that for too long has had to endure the tragedy of civil war, terrorism, and foreign intervention and occupation. The fighting in Lebanon on the part of all parties must stop, and Israel should bring its forces home. But this is not enough. We must all work to stamp out the scourge of terrorism that in the Middle East makes war an ever-present threat.
Well, the task I've set forth will long outlive our own generation. But together, we too have come through the worst. Let us now begin a major effort to secure the best -- a crusade for freedom that will engage the faith and fortitude of the next generation. For the sake of peace and justice, let us move toward a world in which all people are at last free to determine their own destiny.
I believe we have come to a point in our nation's, and indeed the world's, history, when such a leader is needed again. Let us pray that one comes along soon.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:20am |
re: #703 MandyManners
George Carlin (rip) once said "The primary job of a Union Executive is to insure that he never becomes a memeber of the Working Class."
And George was only half-kidding. Maybe less than half.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:43am |
re: #769 ArmyWife
You really think the Unions will remember that Bush did this? HA! They will be back to hating on big corporations (those same ones signing the paychecks), and saying Republicans hate "the working man".
They already are sayign that 'some' Republicans hate Unions and are out to break the Union...
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tackle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:56am |
re: #767 Harry Tuttle
I'm so disappointed with Bush. In his waning days he has a chance to stand for something and he just wants to make nice with everyone.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:34:03am |
re: #729 Honorary Yooper
Gerald Ford told them to "drop dead" in the mid-70s.
Well, they were also largely making cars that sucked donkey balls in the mid-70s.
The only "rescue" that was done was the loan given to Chrysler in the early 1980s
Don't forget the "voluntary" import limits that were wrested out of the Japanese during the 80s.
but I also lay a good part of the blame at the feet of the MSM. They created and maintained the image that people have today.
Sorry, I just don't see it. If Detroit had been consistently turning out high-quality vehicles at good prices, it would have been hard to convince people otherwise; they have real, personal experience with their cars.
Now, somewhat ironically, it's true that quality has improved in Detroit in recent years, even as they steered toward the cliff in terms of their business model.
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:34:22am |
re: #749 taxfreekiller
Bring the Marines home, let the build the cars, if the U.A.W. thugs try to stop them, good luck union thugs.
the cars could be built now with 1/2 the labor current on the dole at GM
I read someplace (might have been the WSJ) that it's mostly the insane pension and health plans that are driving up the cost of labor for the formerly big three. The UAW has more retirees than active, working members on its list.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:34:37am |
re: #763 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I think Michael Moore plays this angle as well . . .
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:34:42am |
re: #779 pingjockey
IIRC, back in the 90s, McDonald Douglas was going to build a plant in Cula Vista, Ca. South of San Diego, between the State regulations and the Union the company went to Arkansas. Cheaper labor, non-union and tax breaks.
McDonnell-Douglas, not McDonald! They weren't making Big Macs & F-15s! ;)
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:00am |
re: #723 Ward Cleaver
Since one of my specialties is Chapter 11 bankruptcy, I'll reply as follows: The Big Three U.S. automakers really have no choice unless they become profitable overnight. Four out of five Chapter 11 reorganization efforts fail, because management can't figure out how to become profitable.
Chapter 11 give the corporations the opportunity to figure out how to become profitable by dumping their unprofitable contracts (including labor agreements), transferring their underfunded pension plans to the U.S. government (a legally sanctioned bailout worth billions of dollars to the companies without any congressional action), and streamlining their operations to become profitable. If they can't figure out how to become profitable with those legal tools available to them, they'll fail.
I'd say there's no other real choice.
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:02am |
re: #734 realwest
Good morning jorline! How are ya doing today?!
Good morning, RW. I'm well...thanks. How's everything with you?
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:18am |
re: #781 jorline
Hey Mr. Middlefinger, President of the UAW. I don't two shits what Toyota, Honda and Nissan are paying their workers. The companies you represent are broke and asking for our money. This means everyone in the Big Three have to make concessions and cut cost. I'm sure if the worker you represent would want 80% of what they currently have than 100% of nothing.
You know he can't wait for Card Check... Then Toyota, Honda and Nissan workers will join the UAW...
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:27am |
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:28am |
Call and thank Bob Corker and the Republicans who stood up to the corrupt Unions. Lord knows the in-bed-with-the-unions corruptocrats will never do the right thing.
[Link: www.numbersusa.com...]
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Harry Tuttle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:34am |
re: #789 tackle
I'm so disappointed with Bush. In his waning days he has a chance to stand for something and he just wants to make nice with everyone.
I voted for him twice. Disappointed is not the word I am thinking of.
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pingjockey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:40am |
re: #793 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Oh crap! You are correct! More caffine!
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:43am |
re: #783 Harry Tuttle
Not Nice...Consider your words more carefully.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:00am |
re: #781 jorline
Hey Mr. Middlefinger, President of the UAW. I don't two shits what Toyota, Honda and Nissan are paying their workers. The companies you represent are broke and asking for our money. This means everyone in the Big Three have to make concessions and cut cost. I'm sure if the worker you represent would want 80% of what they currently have than 100% of nothing.
Just a note. Ford has pulled out of the begging. I posted about it yesterday, I will try to find that article and post it again.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:17am |
re: #789 tackle
I'm so disappointed with Bush. In his waning days he has a chance to stand for something and he just wants to make nice with everyone.
No, I really do believe that he thinks he is standing for something...
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:17am |
re: #793 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
McDonnell-Douglas, not McDonald! They weren't making Big Macs & F-15s! ;)
Add a fry daddy to the cockpit! Shoot Sidewinders and drop filet o' fish on the enemy!
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:36am |
re: #783 Harry Tuttle
Yes and I can see how far that has gotten us.
Everybody just cool down and listen to the orders of your betters.
Just shut up and do what you are told.
Sheep.
Uh-huh. And so your plan is... what, exactly?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:58am |
re: #634 3 wood
Bush Blinked.
The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.
damnit, damnit...damnit
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:59am |
re: #710 Honorary Yooper
HY - I really don't want to fight with you on this, but those tax breaks to foreign automakers created tens of thousands of jobs for folks right here in the USA.
At least there was some thought behind it. This bailout of Detroit is NOTHING but politics. Bankruptcy does not mean going out of business, it means restructuring to make it an industry that can actually turn a profit. Lower Union wages and benefits and lower - I hope MUCH LOWER - management salaries and perks.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:00am |
re: #790 Occasional Reader
Well, they were also largely making cars that sucked donkey balls in the mid-70s.
Surely you don't mean The Pinto or The Pacer, do you?
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:23am |
re: #794 quickjustice
The airlines seemed to have come thought the process all right...
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:31am |
re: #804 Ford_Prefect
Just a note. Ford has pulled out of the begging. I posted about it yesterday, I will try to find that article and post it again.
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:43am |
re: #804 Ford_Prefect
Just a note. Ford has pulled out of the begging. I posted about it yesterday, I will try to find that article and post it again.
Agree, Ford. I read about it this morning. Good for them...restructure and hold your head high.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:00am |
re: #806 father_of_10
Add a fry daddy to the cockpit! Shoot Sidewinders and drop filet o' fish on the enemy!
Umm, BBQ Pork sandwich's would be better...:)
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Spider Mensch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:06am |
auto unions..heh..here's a true story, I can't put too many details into it to protect the innocent..but an associate of mine supplies certain equipment to one of the automakers. he is in charge of the field techs who do maintenance on said equipment. They needed to do some work on the equipment, and wanted to do it over a weekend to not interfere with the automakers Monday thru Friday production. Would need one, One!, UAW union electrician on site to disconnect power to the equipment to do the maintenance then re hook up power to test it and then do a final re connect after the work was done. One electrician could do this. My associate was told by the automaker management that if they do it on the weekend 18 electricians would have to be paid for and be on site! 18 UAW union electricians for a one man job. unbelievable. Thats the problem in a nutshell.
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Dirk Diggler Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:28am |
More and more I find myself agreeing with this guy. Until the American public gets really mad and starts loudly protesting and breaking things, our corrupt political culture is not likely to change. Phone calls to Senators and Congressmen are not getting the job done.
Face it, corrupt and arrogant politicans do not fear an indolent and apathetic citizenry. They fear an volatile and angry citzenry.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:30am |
re: #794 quickjustice
Since one of my specialties is Chapter 11 bankruptcy, I'll reply as follows: The Big Three U.S. automakers really have no choice unless they become profitable overnight. Four out of five Chapter 11 reorganization efforts fail, because management can't figure out how to become profitable.
Chapter 11 give the corporations the opportunity to figure out how to become profitable by dumping their unprofitable contracts (including labor agreements), transferring their underfunded pension plans to the U.S. government (a legally sanctioned bailout worth billions of dollars to the companies without any congressional action), and streamlining their operations to become profitable. If they can't figure out how to become profitable with those legal tools available to them, they'll fail.
I'd say there's no other real choice.
It would be tough enough for them to accomplish this - but in addition they have to become profitable during a recession. I say: game over.
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:40am |
Just watched the UAW "statement" and got an idea for a new drinking game-
Every time GOP/GOP Caucus/Republicians references- take a shot! You will have a .40 BAC in no time. . .
I guess now I am wondering, is it really just the UAW is pissed that they do not get a book of checks from the magic money account- where money disappears and no one knows where it goes?
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Harry Tuttle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:51am |
re: #760 ggt
Nice positive post from someone who doesn't post very often.
/Harry Tuttle? gah
Excuse me if I don't post every five bleeping minutes. I actually have a job and have to produce things for the looters to steal.
Who the hell are you to gah me. gah you.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:12am |
re: #796 tfc3rid
You know he can't wait for Card Check... Then Toyota, Honda and Nissan workers will join the UAW...
I'd love to see them deal with the UAW. I'd be laughing my ass off as they attempt to deal with those UAW jerks.
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JimmyTheClaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:17am |
fuck palestine
[Link: carlosmiller.com...]
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:22am |
Corker is pissed and is going to call Geddlefinger immediately...
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:29am |
re: #793 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
McDonnell-Douglas, not McDonald! They weren't making Big Macs & F-15s! ;)
Little has been published about the nefarious connections between the fast food industry and arms production. For instance, remember that Uzi-like machinepistol, the Big MAC-10?
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:35am |
re: #756 Ward Cleaver
I don't like the UAW either, but to be fair to them, they've accepted major pay cuts. Now they need to give up on the jobs bank.
We can dream, right?
The working class can kiss my ass
I'm on the Jobs Bank list at last
I'm off the job, I'm on the dole
You can shove work ethics up your hole
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:37am |
Did you know that Union people built the pyramids? It was originally designed as a cube. Each shift did a little less till the last said 'throw a rock on top and lets go home'.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:40:17am |
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:40:19am |
re: #821 Dirk Diggler
More and more I find myself agreeing with this guy. Until the American public gets really mad and starts loudly protesting and breaking things, our corrupt political culture is not likely to change. Phone calls to Senators and Congressmen are not getting the job done.
Face it, corrupt and arrogant politicans do not fear an indolent and apathetic citizenry. They fear an volatile and angry citzenry.
Didn't Demint say there will be riots if the bail-out goes through?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:40:38am |
Damn it Bush, if you cave into these UAW bloodsuckers, YOU REALLY [EXPLETIVE DELETED] SUCK!
General Motors Corporation (GM) Key Statistics
Market Cap (intraday): 2.24B
Total Cash (mrq): 15.90B
Total Debt (mrq): 45.16B
Giving them $15B will in no way solve this math problem, it's just throwing good taxpayer money down a hole!
/[expletive deleted] these assholes, Chapter 11 is the only way GM has a chance of ever being viable
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:40:50am |
AFL-CIO:
American Federation of Leaches, Criminals, Ingrates, and Oddballs
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:29am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:31am |
re: #744 Ward Cleaver
And how many Americans got jobs there working at that plant?
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:48am |
While we are busy railing against the auto bailouts, I have a few questions worth considering:
If there are no bailouts, what then?
How many automakers go under?
How many people lose their jobs?
What about the smaller companies that supply parts to the Big Three?
What about all the small businesses in the towns where autoworkers live? How many more businesses will fail?
How many more people will lose their jobs?
When all those people lose their jobs, how many will lose their homes?
How many more bank failures?
And so on...and so on...
It seems to me this isn't just about the CEOs & the union fatcats. The ramifications on the economy of the whole country will be huge. Go ahead, stick it to the unions, screw the CEOs. Tell the gov't to do nothing. Then sit back and watch what happens.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:52am |
re: #830 Dustyvet
Did you know that Union people built the pyramids? It was originally designed as a cube. Each shift did a little less till the last said 'throw a rock on top and lets go home'.
LOL
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:42:18am |
If he steps in and bails them out- he's no better than a two- bit corruptocrat (D).
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:42:48am |
Anyway... How long till "not the Rahm Emanuel I knew?"
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:42:53am |
A man walks down the road, but stops at a peculiar sight. Two union guys are working by the side of the road, but the first is simply digging holes while the second is filling them up. Curiousity gets the best of the walker, so he asks the men what they are doing.
"We're a post-hole crew," says the first.
"But what about the posts?"
The other union guy answers, "we're a three man crew -- Bob digs the holes, I fill them, and Charlie puts the posts in, but he's out sick today."
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:43:29am |
re: #816 pingjockey
Remember the K car?
Now we're talking early 80s; and the K car actually wasn't all that bad. Not glamorous, but decent value for the money.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:43:30am |
re: #824 Harry Tuttle
I don't know Harry, 57 posts in 4 years?
Wasn't "Harry Tuttle" a fictitous person created by Hawkeye Pierce to scam things from the Army --in M*A*S*H?
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:43:37am |
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:43:45am |
re: #805 tfc3rid
Its the "something" he is currently standing for that I have a problem with. I won't jump ship, but I am going to let them know how I feel.
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:44:22am |
re: #822 DistantThunder
The U.S. government could provide post [bankruptcy] petition financing (giving the government a first lien on all assets ahead of the senior bank lenders) to tide them over in their downsized and streamlined configuration, for the next year. By then we should be in economic recovery unless Obama's team sours the economy further.
Post-petition financing, ahead of the senior bank lenders, provides much more protection for taxpayers.
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notutopia Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:44:25am |
re: #769 ArmyWife
I am not rationalizing for the Pres. I really think he feels he must do whatever he can to keep the auto industry afloat while he exists office and turns the keys over to Obama. The unions are very powerful in Washington and their lobbyists grease the palms of many of the legislators. This is all political play. Obama has repayment debts to appease to them for their support in placing him in office. They just want to maintain their stronghold in their position of control of the automakers.
They feign it over their concern for the working man and the US economy. Those workers really believe this tale.
It was their wage and hour and no competition in controlling the workers that got them into this near bankruptcy predicament to begin with.
Again, We the taxpayers pay for the union corruption. Our next vehicle purchase will cost 2000.00 more.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:44:54am |
re: #759 rw in san diego
Hey rw! Don't let this shit aggravate your ulcer at all.
Ultimately, at the pace with which GM alone is losing money, there won't be any of the 700 Billion left to bail them out.
And where the hell is a President Obama gonna find the damn money to keep the automakers going THEN?!
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:16am |
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:32am |
re: #852 realwest
Hey rw! Don't let this shit aggravate your ulcer at all.
Ultimately, at the pace with which GM alone is losing money, there won't be any of the 700 Billion left to bail them out.
And where the hell is a President Obama gonna find the damn money to keep the automakers going THEN?!
Unicorn Futures on the Market. . .
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:35am |
re: #838 Kenneth
If there are no bailouts, what then?
Chapter 11. Which exists for a reason, and need not be the end of the world.
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:37am |
re: #838 Kenneth
Current calculation is that if the automakers fail, unemployment jumps about 2%. As part of that workforce finds other jobs, the percentage drops by about half.
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:41am |
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Spider Mensch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:42am |
re: #845 ggt
I don't know Harry, 57 posts in 4 years?
Wasn't "Harry Tuttle" a fictitous person created by Hawkeye Pierce to scam things from the Army --in M*A*S*H?
from his childhood.."who wet the bed? Tuttle did!"
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:45am |
re: #852 realwest
Hey rw! Don't let this shit aggravate your ulcer at all.
Ultimately, at the pace with which GM alone is losing money, there won't be any of the 700 Billion left to bail them out.
And where the hell is a President Obama gonna find the damn money to keep the automakers going THEN?!
Well how much would China pay for ALL our national security secrets?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:47am |
re: #517 WriterMom
Good morning: Check this out.
The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors
Hat tip: Jawa Report
I wonder what would have happened had this taken place in any other country?
Simply awesome.
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:49am |
re: #845 ggt
Get the trollbane. This one's dropped a few stinkers before.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:53am |
re: #838 Kenneth
They go into Chapter 11, the government finances the bankruptcy and guarantees the warranties to bolster consumer confidence.
/GM keeps making cars while the untenable nonsense gets sorted out by a bankruptcy judge
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:03am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:21am |
re: #853 Honorary Yooper
Linky no worky.
Well it did say worst of all time. Why would you presume it would work?
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:22am |
re: #808 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
damnit, damnit...damnit
That's what Obama's handlers say everytime he answers an uscripted question. (repeating myself - said that yesterday too.)
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:22am |
re: #845 ggt
I don't know Harry, 57 posts in 4 years?
Wasn't "Harry Tuttle" a fictitous person created by Hawkeye Pierce to scam things from the Army --in M*A*S*H?
Captain Tuttle...:) A great solider, he was a druid...reformed...he could pray to small bushes.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:25am |
re: #845 ggt
I don't know Harry, 57 posts in 4 years?
Wasn't "Harry Tuttle" a fictitous person created by Hawkeye Pierce to scam things from the Army --in M*A*S*H?
Harry Tuttle was the rogue home repair man in "Brazil". I loved that movie.
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:05am |
re: #779 pingjockey
IIRC, back in the 90s, McDonald Douglas was going to build a plant in Cula Vista, Ca. South of San Diego, between the State regulations and the Union the company went to Arkansas. Cheaper labor, non-union and tax breaks.
When I was a kid, there were a lot of factories in SoCal. McDonnell Douglas, Northrop, Ford, GM, Chrysler, you name it, they had a plant here.
The very business-unfriendly CA state government has driven nearly all of them out of state, and the global warmenism the morons in Sacramento just adopted will drive out what's left.
I fail to see how you can balance a state budget while destroying its tax base. I've never seen a whole state sleeping on a park bench before.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:15am |
re: #766 Ward Cleaver
Do you know what the difference is - if it isn't huge, I mean?
Seriously, what's the prospective UAW worker going to get per hour in wages and benefits vs. those of the "Little 3"?
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:21am |
re: #856 quickjustice
OK, what are the assumptions of that "current speculation"? Does it include the knock-on effects?
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:24am |
Learned about the birds and bees in this icon of Detroit's hay day.Your text to link...
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:40am |
re: #853 Honorary Yooper
Linky no worky.
See, the cars weren't that bad afterall, that's why the link failed!
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:43am |
re: #852 realwest
Hey rw! Don't let this shit aggravate your ulcer at all.
Ultimately, at the pace with which GM alone is losing money, there won't be any of the 700 Billion left to bail them out.
And where the hell is a President Obama gonna find the damn money to keep the automakers going THEN?!
Start up the printing press... Print more... Don't worry about the rising inflation...
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:48am |
re: #846 jorline
Thanks...Hey, Ford...take a look at this.
I collect Matchbox Original Wheels 1953-1969. I have the green model in my display case.
Nice. Thanks. My nic actually comes from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy One of the main characters is an alien that chooses the name as being "nicely inconspicuous."
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Buck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:50am |
re: #723 Ward Cleaver
It eventually would mean liquidation; that is, selling off assets to other automakers (read: foreign). Who would buy cars made by a company that's in Chapter 11? After all, there's no guarantee that a company that goes into Chapter 11 will re-emerge from it. Buying cars isn't like buying VCRs, and if people thought there was a chance that their new car warranties would go away, they wouldn't buy.
I would, for the right price, buy a car without the warranty. We all know that you don't get sumthin for nuthin anyway.
For the right price I will take it to my local garage and pay...
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:57am |
re: #821 Dirk Diggler
More and more I find myself agreeing with this guy. Until the American public gets really mad and starts loudly protesting and breaking things, our corrupt political culture is not likely to change. Phone calls to Senators and Congressmen are not getting the job done.
Face it, corrupt and arrogant politicans do not fear an indolent and apathetic citizenry. They fear an volatile and angry citzenry.
That was very good reading. The average person has played the game with the rules that have been set for us. It is all very disturbing - including the betrayal by our government.
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Lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:48:10am |
re: #842 ironbill
This is an excerpted quote from the Drudge story (I believe it's posted on here somewhere) that begs a few questions.
"Blagojevch was caught on tape saying that he wanted the Obama advisor in question to know what Blagojevich wanted in exchange for the Jarrett appointment.
Blagojevich said, “He asks me for the fifth CD thing, I want it to be in his head.” Emanuel represents the 5th Congressional District in Illinois."
Is it Rahm on the phone?
What is "the thing" regarding the 5th CD?
Did "it" ever actually get into Obama's head? How? Who told him? When? What did they say?
I'm sure CNN, the NYT and NPR will doggedly pursue answers to these questions, so we should all know soon.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:48:16am |
re: #866 Nevergiveup
Well it did say worst of all time. Why would you presume it would work?
Heh. Works as well as a British sports car of the 1960s. Or a Yugo, or dare I say, a first generation Hyundai Excel.
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:48:19am |
re: #747 pingjockey
UAW and Detroit have no Credibility!
No one in this mess has any credibility. Not Congress, not the President, not the automakers, and not the UAW. Certainly not the media on their horrid reporting of the financial scandals and crisis - and who was at fault and the circumstances to blame for the meltdown.
Bush has no credibility because he's throwing money at everything that moves - regardless of whether it has a pulse or not; regardless of whether it is warranted or not. It's just reacting to a situation and playing along with Bernanke and Paulson, who are trying to avoid a depression, but are showing that they haven't figured out that markets sometimes need to adjust on their own. Bailing out the banks meant that every other industry saw a bailout as the solution to their own problems, regardless of the cause, and began lobbying vigorously to that end.
Congress pushed this toxic paper crisis on the nation with their demands for affordable housing. How affordable does that look now - when the gov't has incurred a trillion dollars in new debt to cover all the losses by supposedly smart people who ignored basic economics and that prices could actually go down on real estate.
Throw Greenspan under the bus for pushing interest rates as low as he did, which not only spurred economic growth, but jump started a bubble in real estate as interest rates, combined with the affordable housing mandates from Congress sent people ill-qualified to actually afford to repay mortgages flooding into markets and driving up prices to unnatural and unhealthy levels. We'll be repaying that mess for decades to come in debt financing.
The UAW has meant that the smallish 3 are not as nimble as they could otherwise be to compete with the foreign automakers, but the smallish 3 made bad business decisions as well. It has nothing to do with pursuing SUVs and Hummers for years - that's what people wanted and that's what propped up the bottom line at the automakers for years on end. The party ended when oil prices went through the roof at the same time that the bottom dropped out of the real estate markets.
Going green isn't going to save the automakers either. Smart business decisions will. That means - once the unions make their concessions on wages and benefits - making well crafted vehicles that people want and can afford. It means consolidating product lines - why have sibling vehicles (Pontiac/Buick for example), when one vehicle would do with multiple trim levels. It's needless complications and costs. Saturn was a good idea that was run into the ground because they didn't reinvest in the company past the initial outlay. Now, they're latching on to the Opel designs to salvage Saturn. At least that's saving some money, but they'd do better by either shuttering Opel or Saturn and consolidating completely.
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tackle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:48:23am |
re: #838 Kenneth
While we are busy railing against the auto bailouts, I have a few questions worth considering:
If there are no bailouts, what then?
How many automakers go under?
How many people lose their jobs?
What about the smaller companies that supply parts to the Big Three?
What about all the small businesses in the towns where autoworkers live? How many more businesses will fail?
How many more people will lose their jobs?
When all those people lose their jobs, how many will lose their homes?
How many more bank failures?And so on...and so on...
It seems to me this isn't just about the CEOs & the union fatcats. The ramifications on the economy of the whole country will be huge. Go ahead, stick it to the unions, screw the CEOs. Tell the gov't to do nothing. Then sit back and watch what happens.
I'm not saying it won't be bad. It may personally affect me. However, we have a responsibility to sack up and face the truth. I trust the resiliency, competitiveness and grit of the American people more than I trust the government or the UAW. Our children will thank us.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:48:47am |
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Harry Tuttle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:48:51am |
re: #861 Kenneth
Get the trollbane. This one's dropped a few stinkers before.
You wonder why I don't post too much it's because I have no need of listening to you lot and your pissant group think. No I am not part of your little clique and do not want to be.
Now get back to being productive members of society, the looters need your money.
Feh.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:48:58am |
re: #772 ironbill
But the "little 3" have to comply with the same different laws and THEY turn a profit.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:49:01am |
re: #856 quickjustice
Current calculation is that if the automakers fail, unemployment jumps about 2%. As part of that workforce finds other jobs, the percentage drops by about half.
Why does it not stand to reason that if one of the US Automakers fail that some of the good managers or even workers from GM or Ford or Chrysler form a new company? This IS America after all...
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:49:08am |
re: #862 Killian Bundy
How long does Chapter 11 last? What happens when that fails? (most Ch. 11's do fail).
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:49:22am |
re: #816 pingjockey
Remember the K car?
As a news photographer, I saw some of them in accidents. I remember one in particular, a K car vs a Firebird. The back end of the K car was completely crumpled. The Firebird was barely scratched.
Chrysler must have used recycled beer cans.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:49:45am |
re: #855 Occasional Reader
Chapter 11. Which exists for a reason, and need not be the end of the world.
Wouldn't the UAW contract be dead in Ch. 11?
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LilyGecko Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:50:05am |
re: #886 Harry Tuttle
You wonder why I don't post too much it's because I have no need of listening to you lot and your pissant group think. No I am not part of your little clique and do not want to be.Now get back to being productive members of society, the looters need your money.
Feh.
Then why are you even on here?
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:50:06am |
re: #830 Dustyvet
Did you know that Union people built the pyramids? It was originally designed as a cube. Each shift did a little less till the last said 'throw a rock on top and lets go home'.
Good one!
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onslow Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:50:12am |
re: #853 Honorary Yooper
Sorry, the original link works for me in Safari. Published by Time magazine. Same title. Author is Dan Neal.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:51:04am |
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gregg Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:51:15am |
re: #891 MandyManners
Wouldn't the UAW contract be dead in Ch. 11?
I believe that's why they are so opposed to a bankruptcy.
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:51:16am |
re: #871 realwest
I'll find the link, but from memory I believe it was $70 v. $45. Wages at Toyota was something like $18-23/hr v. $23-35/hr.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:51:24am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:51:26am |
re: #890 Steffan
As a news photographer, I saw some of them in accidents. I remember one in particular, a K car vs a Firebird. The back end of the K car was completely crumpled. The Firebird was barely scratched.
Chrysler must have used recycled beer cans.
FWD with crumple zomes vs. an old RWD tank. You would be safer inside the vehicle with crumple zones.
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:51:47am |
re: #890 Steffan
As a news photographer, I saw some of them in accidents. I remember one in particular, a K car vs a Firebird. The back end of the K car was completely crumpled. The Firebird was barely scratched.
Chrysler must have used recycled beer cans.
The K car saved Chrysler. It was versatile and inexpensive to build and the nation gobbled them up. No one HAD to buy one. We all had choices. I bought one and got 230,000 miles out of it.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:52:03am |
re: #838 Kenneth
While we are busy railing against the auto bailouts, I have a few questions worth considering:
If there are no bailouts, what then?
How many automakers go under?
How many people lose their jobs?
What about the smaller companies that supply parts to the Big Three?
What about all the small businesses in the towns where autoworkers live? How many more businesses will fail?
How many more people will lose their jobs?
When all those people lose their jobs, how many will lose their homes?
How many more bank failures?And so on...and so on...
It seems to me this isn't just about the CEOs & the union fatcats. The ramifications on the economy of the whole country will be huge. Go ahead, stick it to the unions, screw the CEOs. Tell the gov't to do nothing. Then sit back and watch what happens.
Romney wrote a great piece in the WSJ. In his opinion, as a turn around expert, having rescued hundreds of companies from liquidation, he said the only hope of saving the companies is to let them declare bankruptcy so they can renegotiate the Union contracts. Without that, he said, the companies will never be profitable, not when they have to compete with leaner, more efficient brands in the US. They are doomed without a reorganization that can only happen under Chapter 11. I trust his judgement.
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:52:05am |
re: #881 Lincolntf
Thanks for the info. This better explains The Rahminator's sudden loss of speech ability.
If he's on tape he is F...
(you're correct: MSM will not pursue this for as long as possible)
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:52:33am |
re: #795 jorline
I'm doing ok, my friend, glad to hear you are too!
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:52:34am |
re: #891 MandyManners
Maybe. Not always. You can try to set the contract aside, but a judge would have to approve this action - and the company may just end up owning everything under the contract anyway. It can be another leverage point to open up for concessionary bargaining.
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:52:41am |
re: #886 Harry Tuttle
You wonder why I don't post too much it's because I have no need of listening to you lot and your pissant group think. No I am not part of your little clique and do not want to be.
Now get back to being productive members of society, the looters need your money.
Feh.
Moron.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:52:50am |
Look up tonight for a spectacular treat in the sky
Biggest full moon for years enhanced by shooting stars
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Has anyone here ever seen a "Full Moon" from a car window?
Just asking?
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:53:03am |
re: #838 Kenneth
See my 849. I'm not saying that the government should provide no assistance, just that filing Chapter 11 now gives the automakers much greater prospects for survival, and protects taxpayers much better by giving the government a senior position (ahead of senior bank lenders) secured by automaker assets to protect taxpayer money.
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:53:10am |
re: #884 tackle
I trust the resiliency, competitiveness and grit of the American people more than I trust the government or the UAW. Our children will thank us.
Amen to that!
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:53:11am |
re: #889 Kenneth
How long does Chapter 11 last? What happens when that fails? (most Ch. 11's do fail).
Is that true? I mean, all of the airlines that went into bankruptcy emerged...
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:53:49am |
re: #774 tfc3rid
Cap and trade and card check will utterly destory this country.
And I'm sure his next pick, Chu is all for that. Should have cut down the tree when he was in it.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:54:12am |
re: #868 Dustyvet
Captain Tuttle...:) A great solider, he was a druid...reformed...he could pray to small bushes.
"Captain Tuttle" was listed in the credits as playing "himself." Consequently, he has an entry in the Internet Movie Database...:)
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:54:20am |
re: #881 Lincolntf
This is an excerpted quote from the Drudge story (I believe it's posted on here somewhere) that begs a few questions.
"Blagojevch was caught on tape saying that he wanted the Obama advisor in question to know what Blagojevich wanted in exchange for the Jarrett appointment.
Blagojevich said, “He asks me for the fifth CD thing, I want it to be in his head.” Emanuel represents the 5th Congressional District in Illinois."
Is it Rahm on the phone?
What is "the thing" regarding the 5th CD?
I think its part of the deluxe Boston box set.
/
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:54:39am |
re: #904 DistantThunder
I would trust Romney to put together a package that fixes the problems via a controlled bankruptcy. If he were in charge of it, all three would be better companies for it. Remember who his father was. George Romney brought AMC back to health and made it competitive until later CEOs ran it into the ground.
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cathypop Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:54:43am |
re: #910 Nevergiveup
Look up tonight for a spectacular treat in the sky
Biggest full moon for years enhanced by shooting stars[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Has anyone here ever seen a "Full Moon" from a car window?
Just asking?
Many times but last nights full moon was spectacular.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:54:46am |
re: #898 gregg
I believe that's why they are so opposed to a bankruptcy.
They don't give sweet-fuck all about the American people or the American economy.
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:55:06am |
Hey Mr. Harry Tuttle, please enlighten us more. I would love to hear your thoughts on Obama's Birth Certificate or maybe Creationism!
LOL
C'mon, we're waiting!
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:55:06am |
re: #904 DistantThunder
That makes sense. The companies can't do anything so long as the unions are holding a gun to their heads.
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:55:07am |
re: #886 Harry Tuttle
I do believe you need to meet Ms Manners Clue-by-four. "Pissant group think"...Hmmm, methinks you stepped in it there...And politeness in reply/argument is a better approach for getting a point across. Remember that, when you have an actual point to argue, and are not just stepping in to insult people.
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DeafDog Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:55:37am |
re: #883 lawhawk
Well said.
The eventual solution will need to balance political reality with economic reality and business reality. I don't know what that is, but I think it's more complicated than just shuttering one division of GM.
It seems to me that BK court is the best solution, but if we have to give federal money, I like the conditions that Corker was suggestiong - especially in regards to (1) forcing UAW concessions and (2) forcing the banks to trade out and reduce their debt.
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Harry Tuttle Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:55:47am |
re: #909 father_of_10
Moron.
Gee and as soon as you degenerate to calling troll the name calling isn't far behind. Real class you guys.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:55:52am |
re: #908 ArmyWife
Maybe. Not always. You can try to set the contract aside, but a judge would have to approve this action - and the company may just end up owning everything under the contract anyway. It can be another leverage point to open up for concessionary bargaining.
All the more reason to go that route?
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:55:58am |
re: #913 tfc3rid
My company is in Chapter 11 and even in all of this, we are looking at emerging. The ONLY thing it did to our union contracts was make negotiating pensions more difficult, and making negotiations on retiree medical impossible. That isn't always the case, mind you, but we were in a litigation protection mode rather than financial crisis.
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:56:05am |
re: #873 Kenneth
The economic assumptions on which you rely are "worst case" scenarios. Mine are "middle case" scenarios.
And don't misunderstand me. I want Detroit to survive and prosper. I want the workers to survive and prosper. My calculation, however, is that Chapter 11 offers Detroit the best odds of survival and future prosperity. Getting rid of the pension plan liability alone is a huge plus.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:56:11am |
re: #889 Kenneth
How long does Chapter 11 last? What happens when that fails? (most Ch. 11's do fail).
It lasts as long as it takes. If it fails, so what? It would have failed anyway. GM's cash burn rate is ~$5B/month. That's unsustainable.
/why should we pay billions of taxpayer money just to kick the inevitable can down the road?
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:56:42am |
re: #905 ironbill
Thanks for the info. This better explains The Rahminator's sudden loss of speech ability.
If he's on tape he is F...
(you're correct: MSM will not pursue this for as long as possible)
Et tu Queen Esther. . .et tu?
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:56:51am |
re: #913 tfc3rid
You can go in to Ch 11, emerge reorganized, and fail again.
That's what is happening with KB Toys. They went into Ch 11 four years ago, emerged reorganized, and have gone back into Ch 11 because they've got a bad business plan and can't compete with Toys R Us, Kmart, Walmart, or Target.
Airlines have also gone in and out of reorganization on multiple occasions.
US Air has gone in and out of bankrupty reorganization twice since 2000.
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LilyGecko Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:00am |
re: #926 Harry Tuttle
Gee and as soon as you degenerate to calling troll the name calling isn't far behind. Real class you guys.
#1: I didn't insult you in anyway.
#2: If we're so awful, why can't you just leave?
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father_of_10 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:12am |
re: #926 Harry Tuttle
Gee and as soon as you degenerate to calling troll the name calling isn't far behind. Real class you guys.
I call 'em as I see 'em. I do believe however, that you started the name-calling, didn't you? Do you read what you type?
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cathypop Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:14am |
re: #926 Harry Tuttle
Sounds like this LITTLE man needs a time out.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:15am |
re: #926 Harry Tuttle
Gee and as soon as you degenerate to calling troll the name calling isn't far behind. Real class you guys.
Guys? *looking down my shirt*
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:22am |
re: #920 cathypop
Many times but last nights full moon was spectacular.
Yesterday I saw a shooting star thru my car's windshield. Does that count?
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:27am |
re: #924 Pietr
I do believe you need to meet Ms Manners Clue-by-four. "Pissant group think"...Hmmm, methinks you stepped in it there...And politeness in reply/argument is a better approach for getting a point across. Remember that, when you have an actual point to argue, and are not just stepping in to insult people.
If they do a bailout - then GM is the last car I would buy just because I don't want my money propping up a corrupt union and their masters the corrupt democrats.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:46am |
re: #824 Harry Tuttle
OK, then who the fuck are you to gah US?
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:51am |
re: #887 realwest
Absolutely correct.
And any deregulation that focused solely on domestic manufacturers would be seen as tariffs or trade restrictions by international trade pacts such as WTO.
I read somewhere that last year GM and Toyota both sold about 9 million vehicles.
GM lost 30 billion, Toyota earned 7 billion.
I would like to see greater emphasis on the part of government to lessen all deregulation (emissions, labor...), and let competition drive the market. The average American will then be the clear winner
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UFO TOFU Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:57:52am |
re: #883 lawhawk
It means consolidating product lines - why have sibling vehicles (Pontiac/Buick for example), when one vehicle would do with multiple trim levels. It's needless complications and costs.
Yes, I have never understood that. Why have a Chevrolet line of trucks and a GMC line?
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:58:24am |
re: #927 MandyManners
I agree - I am all for these crew to declare bankruptcy. There is no "time limit" on being in chapter 11, heck, we've been in 8 years!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:58:25am |
re: #921 MandyManners
They don't give sweet-fuck all about the American people or the American economy.
Socialists never do.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:58:39am |
re: #906 Kenneth
The feeling is mutual, I'm sure.
There not gonna have me to kick around any more.
--NixonTuttle
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:58:43am |
re: #911 quickjustice
That sound reasonable to me.
My thanks to everybody who answered my contrarian questions. There are more options than bailout vs no-bailout.
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cathypop Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:59:07am |
re: #938 Hard Right
They are just at beautiful. Usually see one or two in the morning on my way to work.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:59:18am |
re: #933 lawhawk
You can go in to Ch 11, emerge reorganized, and fail again.
That's what is happening with KB Toys. They went into Ch 11 four years ago, emerged reorganized, and have gone back into Ch 11 because they've got a bad business plan and can't compete with Toys R Us, Kmart, Walmart, or Target.
Airlines have also gone in and out of reorganization on multiple occasions.
US Air has gone in and out of bankrupty reorganization twice since 2000.
KB toys was a crappy store. Located in expensive shopping malls, it was unimaginative and not very appealing to consumers.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:59:21am |
re: #939 DistantThunder
If they do a bailout - then GM is the last car I would buy just because I don't want my money propping up a corrupt union and their masters the corrupt democrats.
I don't want to pay for my mechanic to "prop up" my broken GM car. That's why I haven't bought one.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:59:31am |
re: #937 MandyManners
Guys? *looking down my shirt*
Me thinks doing that, would lead to a "Whack" from Mandy.
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:59:43am |
re: #919 Honorary Yooper
I would have liked to have seen Romney as Republican nominee.
Who knows, maybe a whole host of things would be different right now
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:00:49am |
re: #926 Harry Tuttle
'Pissant group think' came out of your keyboard first. Isn't that name calling/disrespect. O I C-only if some1 replies that way to U! Aargh...
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:00:57am |
re: #951 ironbill
I would have liked to have seen Romney as Republican nominee.
Who knows, maybe a whole host of things would be different right now
Consumers wouldn't be complete panicked for one thing. We'd figure that the captain of the ship knew what he was doing.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:01:09am |
re: #947 cathypop
They are just at beautiful. Usually see one or two in the morning on my way to work.
Must be nice. I have spent a few nights in the desert away from the city lights and you can see dozens of them.
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Learned Mother of Zion Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:01:10am |
re: #926 Harry Tuttle
Gee and as soon as you degenerate to calling troll the name calling isn't far behind. Real class you guys.
Yeah, you should really be on LGF2 with all the rest of the aristocrats whose brilliant intellectual drippings just aren't appreciated by the peasants here.
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:01:21am |
re: #889 Kenneth
Most Chapter 11 bankruptcies don't have the financial support of the U.S. government.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:01:52am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:01:59am |
re: #951 ironbill
I would have liked to have seen Romney as Republican nominee.
Who knows, maybe a whole host of things would be different right now
I think we'd see a lot more options for dealing with the current business climate across all industries (manufacturing, retail, banking, etc) than what we see with Congress, Obama, and Bush. I just don't see McCain being any different with this than anyone else.
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Dasher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:02am |
re: #913 tfc3rid
Is that true? I mean, all of the airlines that went into bankruptcy emerged...
Not all airlines survive ch 11. I think the big problem in ch11 is getting financing. And with credit tight, that makes it more difficult. Chrysler's parent company won't even lend them a dime.
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:05am |
re: #948 DistantThunder
Here here. The layout was awful, it was dirty and messy looking. Nothing set up to say "Buy me!'
GM needs a business genius to take it over. I know one - he would turn it around in a heart beat. The Union would HATE him, but that has happened to the best of us.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:09am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are thigns with you all?
I've got some lovely news, an early Christmas present! It looks as if Miss Dog and I will have a Christmas dog, from the Dogs Home here in Cardiff!
Here is a little video which accompanied the story in the local rag, and which made me hare down to meet that dog. Its the first, second and fifth still photo on the video, shown while a Welsh warbler sings 'On the Twelfth Night of Christmas'.
Miss Dog met him yesterday - his first action, on seeing her, was to lower himself (he is quite a bit bigger!) and lick her face!
Aaahhh ...
I think I'll promote her now to 'Madame Dog' ..
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:11am |
re: #910 Nevergiveup
Look up tonight for a spectacular treat in the sky
Biggest full moon for years enhanced by shooting stars[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Has anyone here ever seen a "Full Moon" from a car window?
Just asking?
Yep. I was out on an east-facing road once and got to watch the moonrise.
My handy-dandy downloaded lunar almanac (Lunabar) says the actual moment of the full moon will arrive in 37 minutes.
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:15am |
Bob Corker for President.
-I like people who know a little something about the free market.
I have no use for John Kerry, Tom Dashole, Obama, The Clintons, and every other puppet idiot (D) pol for life government crack whore.
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DeafDog Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:33am |
re: #888 tfc3rid
Why does it not stand to reason that if one of the US Automakers fail that some of the good managers or even workers from GM or Ford or Chrysler form a new company? This IS America after all...
I've asked myself that question over and over. However, with how poorly the Big 3 have been doing for years, one also has to ask why this hasn't happened already.
I think that the truth is complicated. There are auto subsidies and roadblocks to entry all over the place and in hidden ways (that we probably don't understand unless we are in the industry).
How can we unwind 100 years of protectionisitic build up?
This situation will not end well.
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Beach Lover Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:35am |
I may have misunderstood, but I thought it was said on FNC that even IF Bush gave up part of the 700 B, the unions would have to concede on many of the same points that were asked for by Coker.
The UAW guy didn't seem to be aware of what those conditions would be.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:35am |
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:54am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:02:59am |
re: #838 Kenneth
Kenneth - yes the economic consequences could be disaterous, but the Big 2 (Ford's out of it) are going to continue losing money at an astronomical rate because if the Feds (read taxpayers) keep giving in to this blackmail, then they'll just keep coming back for more. They are losing money every fucking day and have NO PLANS for going forward and even breaking even, much less making a profit.
Screw 'em; let 'em go bankrupt, see if there IS a way that they can be made profitable and then do it.
And if - as I suspect - there IS NO WAY FOR GM to become profitable again, then only the Taxpayers can keep it going - what's the cost/benefit ratio there?
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:03:12am |
Until we re-enshrine business in the minds of the American people - we are in a slow death spiral. And any Republican who spouts populism should be "spat" from the party. Stop killing the goose laying the golden eggs.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:03:20am |
re: #960 Honorary Yooper
I think we'd see a lot more options for dealing with the current business climate across all industries (manufacturing, retail, banking, etc) than what we see with Congress, Obama, and Bush. I just don't see McCain being any different with this than anyone else.
I agree Honorary. McCain is liberal in many areas.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:03:20am |
re: #956 Alouette
Speaking of which, apparently economic conditions are so bad, Gordon's gonna wrap up his Banned and Blocked Blog. His final post is on Robert Spencer.
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cathypop Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:03:24am |
re: #955 Hard Right
On warm nights I'll turn all the house lights off and just sit outside. Brings back memories of my childhood.
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JacksonTn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:03:47am |
If they bail out the 2 companies (since Ford opted out) they need to just go ahead and change their names to the UAW Car Companies ...as a business owner myself I do not feel they should be bailed out because the whole idea of business is being profitable and if they have not been able to figure that out maybe they do not need to be in business ...they need to do Chapter 11 and restructure and go back to the basics of being a profitable business ...
This is the union blackmailing this country ... I feel for all the smaller companies that do business with the car companies but when is enough enough ...
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:03:47am |
[drive-by post, no pun intended]
re: #890 Steffan
As a news photographer, I saw some of them in accidents. I remember one in particular, a K car vs a Firebird. The back end of the K car was completely crumpled.
That's actually a good thing in an accident.
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:04:04am |
re: #926 Harry Tuttle
Gee and as soon as you degenerate to calling troll the name calling isn't far behind. Real class you guys.
Harry, what is your problem with LGF? I don't agree with all that is written, but that is the point. Wide variety of opinion and open discussion is a good thing.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:04:10am |
re: #959 Hard Right
Are we forming a line for this? ;)
///
I'll be over behind the potted palm, where's my helmet? sending out for sand bags.
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:04:13am |
At one of the junctures during this election, I made the point that there was no such thing as free anything from the government- that what we "get" is not something that we do not pay for (I know very radical thinking where I live and work though)
So- we are now watching this unfold, and people all around me are waving the flag for the "government bailout"
I have not seen th enumbers, so I ask, do the American people realize that a union boss representing workers who make more in 1 hour than most hourly people, just called out their government for NOT alowing tax money to go to the Fiscal Hole of color?
Are people against this? If so, where are their voices. . .
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:04:43am |
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:04:49am |
re: #963 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are thigns with you all?
I've got some lovely news, an early Christmas present! It looks as if Miss Dog and I will have a Christmas dog, from the Dogs Home here in Cardiff!
Here is a little video which accompanied the story in the local rag, and which made me hare down to meet that dog. Its the first, second and fifth still photo on the video, shown while a Welsh warbler sings 'On the Twelfth Night of Christmas'.
Miss Dog met him yesterday - his first action, on seeing her, was to lower himself (he is quite a bit bigger!) and lick her face!
Aaahhh ...I think I'll promote her now to 'Madame Dog' ..
Awww. Just another reason I'm a dog person.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:04:56am |
re: #713 Harry Tuttle
It is over, the republic is lost.
Gee Harry, sorry you feel that way.
Maybe you should take a mental health day.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:05:18am |
re: #963 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are thigns with you all?
I've got some lovely news, an early Christmas present! It looks as if Miss Dog and I will have a Christmas dog, from the Dogs Home here in Cardiff!
Here is a little video which accompanied the story in the local rag, and which made me hare down to meet that dog. Its the first, second and fifth still photo on the video, shown while a Welsh warbler sings 'On the Twelfth Night of Christmas'.
Miss Dog met him yesterday - his first action, on seeing her, was to lower himself (he is quite a bit bigger!) and lick her face!
Aaahhh ...I think I'll promote her now to 'Madame Dog' ..
Cardiff Wales?
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:05:50am |
re: #925 DeafDog
Corker is doing what creditors would be doing in a Chapter 11 proceeding-- negotiating for business changes and changes in debt structure that enable a reorganized, profitable company to emerge from bankruptcy.
If the U.S. government finances any part of the deal, it will have a seat at the negotiating table.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:05:58am |
re: #729 Honorary Yooper
Gerald Ford told them to "drop dead" in the mid-70s. The only "rescue" that was done was the loan given to Chrysler in the early 1980s. As for making their own problems, they did have a part in it, but I also lay a good part of the blame at the feet of the MSM. They created and maintained the image that people have today.
That's right. Detroit is building better cars now, and the quality surveys show the improvements. But a generation has left Detroit for good, because of all the years when they built lousy products.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:06:10am |
re: #958 jwb7605
Oh yes they were.
linky corrected
From the link:
The 1909 Ford Model T
Uh-oh. Here comes trouble. Let's stipulate that the Model T did everything that the history books say: It put America on wheels, supercharged the nation's economy and transformed the landscape in ways unimagined when the first Tin Lizzy rolled out of the factory. Well, that's just the problem, isn't it? The Model T — whose mass production technique was the work of engineer William C. Klann, who had visited a slaughterhouse's "disassembly line" — conferred to Americans the notion of automobility as something akin to natural law, a right endowed by our Creator. A century later, the consequences of putting every living soul on gas-powered wheels are piling up, from the air over our cities to the sand under our soldiers' boots. And by the way, with its blacksmithed body panels and crude instruments, the Model T was a piece of junk, the Yugo of its day.
Why does it not surprise me that this comes from Time magazine?
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:06:19am |
re: #943 ArmyWife
I agree - I am all for these crew to declare bankruptcy. There is no "time limit" on being in chapter 11, heck, we've been in 8 years!
Will it screw up their suppliers until they get going again?
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:06:41am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:06:58am |
re: #963 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are thigns with you all?
I've got some lovely news, an early Christmas present! It looks as if Miss Dog and I will have a Christmas dog, from the Dogs Home here in Cardiff!
Here is a little video which accompanied the story in the local rag, and which made me hare down to meet that dog. Its the first, second and fifth still photo on the video, shown while a Welsh warbler sings 'On the Twelfth Night of Christmas'.
Miss Dog met him yesterday - his first action, on seeing her, was to lower himself (he is quite a bit bigger!) and lick her face!
Aaahhh ...I think I'll promote her now to 'Madame Dog' ..
That's wonderful, {yma}! Merry Christmas to you, Madame Dog, and...what's his name?
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:07:09am |
re: #944 Hard Right
Socialists never do.
I had the hardest time trying to convince my dad the other night that these people are socialists.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:07:12am |
re: #975 cathypop
On warm nights I'll turn all the house lights off and just sit outside. Brings back memories of my childhood.
Now I'm jealous. To be able to do the same thing I'd have to shoot out the street lights and my all my neighbor's porch lights. They might have a problem with that. Darned selfish neighbors.
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WriterMom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:07:35am |
re: #874 ploome hineni
Rahm "getting my bus fare ready" Emmanuel?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:07:43am |
re: #870 Steffan
"I fail to see how you can balance a state budget while destroying its tax base."
NO prolem! Obama's already said he's gonna work with the states to extend them monies to keep going.
No shit.
Failure will only be allowed for the states that didn't vote for the One.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:07:46am |
re: #950 Dustyvet
Me thinks doing that, would lead to a "Whack" from Mandy.
Go ahead and look down your own shirt.
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:08:02am |
re: #976 JacksonTn
...
This is the union blackmailing this country ... I feel for all the smaller companies that do business with the car companies but when is enough enough ...
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:08:36am |
re: #989 MandyManners
Will it screw up their suppliers until they get going again?
I don't understand how they are going to "get-going" when we now have dealerships and shipyards full to overflowing with excess supply. And demand is in the bucket.
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:08:45am |
re: #994 WriterMom
I don't think you have to pay for traveling under the bus...LOL.
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:08:54am |
I'm feeling a little nostalgic right now. During my life I have owned a couple of real American Classics: 1971 & 73 Dodge Challengers, 1968 & 70 AMC AMX's, a 72 Plymouth Duster, and a 74 Chevy Nova. Loved those cars.
They went fast, sucked gas like a black hole in space, and looked cool.
In the future all we're gonna get is dopey Smart Cars and Priuses
Thanks for nothin UAW
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:08:54am |
re: #956 Alouette
Yeah, you should really be on LGF2 with all the rest of the aristocrats whose brilliant intellectual drippings just aren't appreciated by the peasants here.
How do we know he's not already?
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phoenixgirl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:09:19am |
re: #1004 Pietr
I don't think you have to pay for traveling under the bus...LOL.
sure you do, you pay with your soul
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JacksonTn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:09:52am |
What was the point of even taking a vote on this bailout if Bush and the treasury is just going to okay the TARP money? ...I just don't get it ...
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:09:54am |
re: #996 MandyManners
Go ahead and look down your own shirt.
Umm As a rule I don't look down anyone's shirt period.
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:10:32am |
re: #994 WriterMom
Rahm "getting my bus fare ready" Emmanuel?
Riding under the bus is free. . .pave the road you know. . .
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:10:34am |
re: #1003 DistantThunder
I don't understand how they are going to "get-going" when we now have dealerships and shipyards full to overflowing with excess supply. And demand is in the bucket.
I hadn't thought of that.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:10:37am |
re: #992 MandyManners
I had the hardest time trying to convince my dad the other night that these people are socialists.
Some people just don't want to hear it. I'm on a site with a former UAW member whose father retired after decades of being a UAW member. He also thinks obama is a moderate.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:10:40am |
re: #994 WriterMom
Rahm "getting my bus fare ready" Emmanuel?
Rahm " I pay no property taxes because I turned my home into a 'family foundation' to which I give 'charitable contributions' which are tax deductible'" Emanuel.
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:11:09am |
re: #1008 phoenixgirl
sure you do, you pay with your soul
No you sell your soul to keep from under it. . .
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:11:13am |
re: #970 realwest
That makes sense to me. Rewarding uncompetitive companies will only perpetuate the problem. Chapter 11 and reorganization seems the best path.
Two weeks ago the Liberals & NDP were trying to bring down the Conservative gov't because Harper said he wasn't going to panic and throw money around to bailout the economy. Instead he wants to take his time, think carefully and act judiciously. Thank G-d we dodged that bullet!
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:11:15am |
re: #1010 JacksonTn
What was the point of even taking a vote on this bailout if Bush and the treasury is just going to okay the TARP money? ...I just don't get it ...
Propaganda?
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:11:21am |
Good morning, Lizards! I just saw the new Jennifer Aniston GQ cover. Yummay!
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:11:28am |
re: #961 Dasher
Not all airlines survive ch 11. I think the big problem in ch11 is getting financing. And with credit tight, that makes it more difficult. Chrysler's parent company won't even lend them a dime.
Why should Daimler lend them money... Chrysler is doing nothing for them right now...
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:11:30am |
re: #996 MandyManners
Go ahead and look down your own shirt.
(Looks. Is disppointed) That was no fun.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:11:43am |
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:12:18am |
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:12:23am |
re: #948 DistantThunder
Precisely. Crappy product display/selection. Pricey locations and more expensive than alternatives. But since it was in malls, it had foot traffic to compensate. Well, as it turns out - not enough traffic to compensate.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:12:28am |
re: #1006 ironbill
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In the future all we're gonna get is dopey Smart Cars and Priuses
Thanks for nothin UAW
One of my liberal co-workers owns a Priuses. The other day she said she was afraid she would run out of gas so she stopped to buy some. The thing is, if the car runs out of gas, it ruins the engine. How would you like to have that fact in the back of your head every day as you drive down the road?
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:12:30am |
Morning y'all.
Let's look at the weekly paper and see what's what. Last Saturday...
A caller advised that her neighbors were fighting and that they were possibly intoxsicated. The caller also said it sounded as if a woman was in pain and needed help. Deputies - and - responded and found teenagers singing along to Guitar Hero. The mother was asked to have the teenagers keep the noise down.
Reserve Deputy - advised of a semi blocking traffic on Highway 23 by the intersection of Ball Creek Road. Another caller to 911 advised that a man who had exited his vehicle and was directing traffic appeared to be intoxicated.
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nyc redneck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:12:32am |
re: #963 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are thigns with you all?
I've got some lovely news, an early Christmas present! It looks as if Miss Dog and I will have a Christmas dog, from the Dogs Home here in Cardiff!
Here is a little video which accompanied the story in the local rag, and which made me hare down to meet that dog. Its the first, second and fifth still photo on the video, shown while a Welsh warbler sings 'On the Twelfth Night of Christmas'.
Miss Dog met him yesterday - his first action, on seeing her, was to lower himself (he is quite a bit bigger!) and lick her face!
Aaahhh ...I think I'll promote her now to 'Madame Dog' ..
he is so cute. just adorable. you are doing such a wonderful act of kindness to adopt him.
it makes me sad to see so many homeless dogs. bless you {yma o hyd}
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:12:35am |
re: #984 Dustyvet
Cardiff Wales?
Indeed so!
Thats the Capital of Wales, that is, not some little village founded by some Welsh ex-pats these many many moons ago, on the soil of your Great Country!
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:12:39am |
re: #1012 Iron Fist
The main goal of the Global Warmist cult is to destroy America's industrial base and get things back to the way they were before the Industrial Revolution. Not for themselves of course, but for the little people out there in flyover country, clinging to their guns and religion. Hell, I'm not even sure if the Global Warmists are cool with indoor plumbing. Maybe if we could find a way to tax it...
We already pay taxes on utilities, which include water and sewage.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:12:45am |
re: #967 Beach Lover
I may have misunderstood, but I thought it was said on FNC that even IF Bush gave up part of the 700 B, the unions would have to concede on many of the same points that were asked for by Coker.
The UAW guy didn't seem to be aware of what those conditions would be.
Or did not care to make them public... The next steps in this are all about the media war...
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:13:05am |
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:13:12am |
re: #1022 Wyatt Earp
Good morning, Lizards! I just saw the new Jennifer Aniston GQ cover. Yummay!
Too bad she's a moonbat.
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Lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:13:13am |
re: #980 DisturbedEma
Somewhat related, in the vein of Government money vs. real money.
The school where my wife works fired 5 people after they were caught stealing (about 1.2 million dollars) from various student aid/Fed. grant/State assistance funds over the course of a couple years. Because of the systemic abuse, the school itself was ordered to "pay back" the stolen money to (mainly) the State.
The workers implicated threatened to sue, all got their jobs back (behind closed doors "personnel" matter, so nobody knows what the deal really was). The final upshot is that the stolen (taxpayer) money is gone, and the school is required to pay it back, which they are doing WITH TAX DOLLARS. So the taxpayer gets screwed twice, nobody loses their job, nobody goes to jail and it's considered "justice".
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JacksonTn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:13:15am |
re: #1021 MandyManners
Propaganda?
Right ...because ass Ried is failing to point out that if his democrats had voted for the bailout along with the republicans who voted for the bailout it would have passed ...but that fact seems to not get into the press...so he is just trying to make it look like it was all the republicans fault that he could not get his union swag ...
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:13:25am |
re: #1017 DistantThunder
Rahm " I pay no property taxes because I turned my home into a 'family foundation' to which I give 'charitable contributions' which are tax deductible'" Emanuel.
What?
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:13:44am |
re: #961 Dasher
Chysler's parent company is rolling in dough. The only reason they won't part with it to prop up Chysler is that they hope the taxpayers will do it for them. If the U.S. government got a senior lien on all of Chysler' assets, however, that tune might change.
Talk about the U.S. government fouling up moral hazard!
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:13:51am |
re: #988 Ford_Prefect
The Model T, on par with a Yugo? WTF is Time Magazine smoking? No wonder Time is going down the tubes. The Model T only sold about 15 million copies, second only to the VW Beetle.
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Beach Lover Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:14:00am |
Not only will the US Government have a seat at the table, but me thinks the UAW guy probably knows his power days are numbered.
Still hope we don't bail em out. And my husbands entire family are life long auto related workers.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:14:11am |
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:14:26am |
re: #1036 Hard Right
Too bad she's a moonbat.
Yeah, but I won't want to have a deep, meaningful discussion with her. Unless it involves which kind of whipped cream she prefers.
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WriterMom Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:14:27am |
re: #1036 Hard Right
She's absolutely gorgeous, but I can't help thinking that's a pretty pathetic thing to do.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:14:46am |
re: #991 scottishbuzzsaw
That's wonderful, {yma}! Merry Christmas to you, Madame Dog, and...what's his name?
Don't know yet.
He was removed from his previous owner, who apparently called him 'Buddy'. I'm playing with several variations on that theme, its probably going to be 'Butz', or 'Buddle' ...
I don't think 'Hubble' is going to cut it ...
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:14:46am |
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vxbush Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:14:55am |
*yawn* Hi, folks. Could not wake up this morning. And I forgot my breakfast coming into work, so I'm stuck until lunchtime. Not fun.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:14:58am |
re: #1027 DisturbedEma
I look down my own. . .
I try not to in the winter--lets in all that cold air.
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:15:03am |
re: #942 UFO TOFU
Yes, I have never understood that. Why have a Chevrolet line of trucks and a GMC line?
The Truth About Cars has been running a GM Death Watch since 2005.
General Motors was born as a conglomeration of independent car companies. In the beginning, all of GM's acquisitions maintained their own distinct mechanical, design and marketing identity. Despite the imposition of centralized control in many strategic areas (e.g. choice of suppliers), each sub-brand remained true to its niche. Exactly when, how and why the structure fell apart, or became one big amorphous mass of poorly made product, is not as important as the fact that it has.
GM's eleven brands– Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Holden, Hummer, GMC, Opel, Pontiac, SAAB, Saturn and Vauxhall– are virtually interchangeable. You could rebadge a Vauxhall Lightning and call it a Saturn Sky, or a Holden Monaro and call it a Pontiac GTO, or a GMC truck and call it a SAAB 9-7X. Those are just the real-world examples. How about the new Cadillac STS as a Buick, or the Hummer H3 as a GMC? And that's without mentioning the elephant on the assembly line: platform sharing.
GM's brands bring new meaning to the words "product overlap". Pontiac GTO or Chevrolet Corvette? Chevrolet Cobalt or Saturn Ion? Saab 9-5 or Cadillac CTS? The divisions might have better luck competing with non-GM brands if they weren't so busy competing against each other.
Speaking of platform sharing, back in the mid-70s they took one design -- the Chevy Nova -- and repackaged it with cosmetic differences on every existing line except Cadillac. Pontiac, Buick, and Oldsmobile each marketed the same POS.
According to Paul Harvey, the Nova didn't do well in the Latin American market because of its name. "No va" = "it doesn't go."
Kind of like Coca Cola being Chinese for "bite the wax tadpole."
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:15:13am |
For me, this whole issue comes back to my fundamental belief that the US Government should stay away from the operation and sustenance of privately owned companies...
If I start a company and run it into the ground, that's my problem... The government has no business butting in.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:15:17am |
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:15:28am |
re: #1023 tfc3rid
I don't think Chrysler is connected to Daimler any longer.
I believe that Chrysler is now owned by a holding corporation called Cerberus. Daimler may still have a small stock percentage, but they unloaded the majority stake at a big loss a couple of years ago.
They could see that this turkey couldn't fly
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:15:44am |
re: #1042 Honorary Yooper
The Model T, on par with a Yugo? WTF is Time Magazine smoking? No wonder Time is going down the tubes. The Model T only sold about 15 million copies, second only to the VW Beetle.
Yes, but it responsible for all the bad things in the world. ///
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:15:59am |
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:16:15am |
re: #1000 ggt
I whaaant one!
or two.
Border Collies?
They're grand dogs - but very demanding. One's gotta put the time and effort in, lots of exercise, training ... can't wait!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:16:50am |
re: #1045 Wyatt Earp
Yeah, but I won't want to have a deep, meaningful discussion with her. Unless it involves which kind of whipped cream she prefers.
Organic, gently whipped, sugarless. Yuck.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:16:59am |
re: #1037 Lincolntf
They got their jobs back? NO arrests, or trials?
Can the taxpayers sue the individuals who stole?
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DeafDog Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:17:07am |
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:17:21am |
re: #713 Harry Tuttle
...I have called and called my Senator who is a worthless piece of crap and often just get hung up on...
Perhaps the switchboard didn't have the number for "The Honorable Senator Piece Of Crap"?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:17:41am |
re: #941 ironbill
Thank you and your comment was absolutely correct, too.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:17:50am |
re: #1053 Spare O'Lake
Breast self-examination thread?
I don't have breasts. Could I borrow someone elses?
///
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:17:59am |
re: #1060 Hard Right
Organic, gently whipped, sugarless. Yuck.
Is this another Madonna sex tape thread?
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akak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:18:00am |
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JacksonTn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:18:00am |
re: #1058 yma o hyd
Border Collies?
They're grand dogs - but very demanding. One's gotta put the time and effort in, lots of exercise, training ... can't wait!
Yma ... I have one at the farmhouse ...she is a great dog and they are so smart ...she chases the tractors all over ...they need lots of exercise ...they try to herd everything ...I love her ...her name is Mattie ...
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DeafDog Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:18:40am |
re: #1017 DistantThunder
Rahm " I pay no property taxes because I turned my home into a 'family foundation' to which I give 'charitable contributions' which are tax deductible'" Emanuel.
Is that true?
He's a disgusting bastard.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:18:52am |
re: #1064 DaddyG
Perhaps the switchboard didn't have the number for "The Honorable Senator Piece Of Crap"?
no, the operator wasn't clear on which senator piece of crap was being called
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:18:53am |
re: #716 Occasional Reader
You want NO emissions standards?!
I've lived in countries that had no real emissions standards. Believe me, it's not something you want.
I concede that it would be important anywhere that refried beans are a staple.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:18:55am |
re: #1066 Hard Right
I don't have breasts. Could I borrow someone elses?
///
Don't look at me like that, ya homo!
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:19:02am |
re: #961 Dasher
"Chrysler's parent company won't even lend them a dime."
Then why should the taxpayers do so?
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:19:23am |
re: #1067 Kenneth
Is this another Madonna sex tape thread?
20 years ago I would been looking for it. NOW? I'll try to avoid it like the plague. She is not aging well.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:19:27am |
re: #1058 yma o hyd
dogs in general. I really want a Mastiff, but I already have two spaniels and it's hard to pet three dogs at once when you only have 2 hands.
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:19:44am |
re: #989 MandyManners
In Chapter 11, the companies decide which supplier contracts are profitable, and which are not. They can dump the unprofitable contracts, and go with the profitable ones. They need financing to pay their suppliers, however.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:19:48am |
re: #1031 nyc redneck
Thanks, {nyc redneck}.
It feels as if he's meant to be with us - I wasn't looking for another dog, but when the right one turns up, one's gotta grab him or her.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:20:16am |
re: #1064 DaddyG
There's no point to some of us calling our Senators. One of mine President-elect (D-Emil Jones), and the other is Dickhead "The Turban" Durbin (D-Dumbass).
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:20:18am |
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:20:37am |
re: #804 Ford_Prefect
Just a note. Ford has pulled out of the begging. I posted about it yesterday, I will try to find that article and post it again.
Ford has close to $19b in cash, and another $10b line of credit they can tap. Mulally says he won't ask for any money unless GM or Chrysler goes bankrupt, since it would disrupt their common suppliers (Magna Steyr, Johnson Controls, etc.). Here's a good article about Mulally's management of Ford, from Wednesday's USA Today (h/t to Peter DeLorenzo at The Autoextremist):
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:20:39am |
re: #1074 Spare O'Lake
Don't look at me like that, ya homo!
Let me be clear. Someone of the FEMALE gender. My name is not George Michaels.
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:20:39am |
re: #1041 quickjustice
Chysler's parent company is rolling in dough. The only reason they won't part with it to prop up Chysler is that they hope the taxpayers will do it for them. If the U.S. government got a senior lien on all of Chysler' assets, however, that tune might change.
Talk about the U.S. government fouling up moral hazard!
Look into just who is 'Chrysler's parent company'. You'll find a lots of former government officials who don't want to actually jeopardize any of their own money, but don't have any trouble spending taxpayer money. To hell with the lot of them.
And yes, I'm talking about Mr. Snow, last employeed by Mr. G.W.Bush, a man that I voted for twice, and would have voted for again, had he been able to run.
It ain't Tony Snow, btw. He's dead.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:21:06am |
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:21:20am |
re: #974 Honorary Yooper
Speaking of which, apparently economic conditions are so bad, Gordon's gonna wrap up his Banned and Blocked Blog. His final post is on Robert Spencer.
He's paying for that blog?
Obsessive, much?
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:21:29am |
re: #989 MandyManners
I really don't know - our transition was seamless. Some suppliers may say "no credit for you, COD only", but without really knowing how they are set up I couldn't answer that.
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:21:32am |
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:21:36am |
re: #1037 Lincolntf
Somewhat related, in the vein of Government money vs. real money.
The school where my wife works fired 5 people after they were caught stealing (about 1.2 million dollars) from various student aid/Fed. grant/State assistance funds over the course of a couple years. Because of the systemic abuse, the school itself was ordered to "pay back" the stolen money to (mainly) the State.
The workers implicated threatened to sue, all got their jobs back (behind closed doors "personnel" matter, so nobody knows what the deal really was). The final upshot is that the stolen (taxpayer) money is gone, and the school is required to pay it back, which they are doing WITH TAX DOLLARS. So the taxpayer gets screwed twice, nobody loses their job, nobody goes to jail and it's considered "justice".
I know of what you speak. . .
See, it is never our money. . .it is FREE money.
I am waiting for the morning after this all hits home- I imagine the average American waking up to the day when the tax bill comes due-
like my husband after the last bachelor party he went to- lip stick smeared, disheveled, hung over and trying to remember what he did the night before, and an inquiring wife standing over him, asking if he had a good time. . .and how much did he spend. . .
ATM receipts will show a negative balance and there will be no record of where the money was spent. . .G strings or bailouts. . .
And the tax payer, when faced with the harsh morning after will state, with earnest hung over conviction, I am so broke. . .I have no money and I have no ida what I spent it on. . .for as much as I spent, you think I would remember what I did that was fun. . .
Good Morning American Tax payers. . .you are broke
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:21:49am |
re: #1042 Honorary Yooper
Time is competing hard with the NY Times to be the "Yugo" of the media industry.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:22:05am |
re: #1090 Steffan
He's paying for that blog?
Obsessive, much?
Better him and that blog than us on this one with his presence.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:22:10am |
re: #1090 Steffan
I was just making a joke about economic conditions for Gordon since Blogspot is free.
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:22:28am |
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Lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:22:29am |
re: #1061 ggt
All questions I asked some of my wife's co-workers who've been there for years (the wife is relatively new). They all said, nope, no further action will be taken. It is "resolved" to the satisfaction of the Legislature. One of the employees "resigned" with bennies after they all got their jobs back. The others still work there, piling up pension points. It's pathetic.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:22:39am |
re: #983 Spare O'Lake
"Maybe you should take a mental health day decade."
There, fixed that for you!
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:22:54am |
re: #1078 Hard Right
She looks like she is taking testosterone.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:23:01am |
re: #1094 quickjustice
Time is competing hard with the NY Times to be the "Yugo" of the media industry.
Want to triple the value of a Yugo? Put gas in it...:)
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UFO TOFU Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:23:08am |
re: #1051 Steffan
Yeah, I owned a Nova and a Ventura as a kid. Very little difference between the two. I never understood that concept.
"Bite the wax tadpole? Wow. I heard Coke's "Coke adds life" slogan translated loosely into "Coke brings your dead ancestors to life" in China. Marketing vision I guess.
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:23:12am |
re: #1054 ironbill
I don't think Chrysler is connected to Daimler any longer.
I believe that Chrysler is now owned by a holding corporation called Cerberus. Daimler may still have a small stock percentage, but they unloaded the majority stake at a big loss a couple of years ago.
They could see that this turkey couldn't fly
Another way to look at it is that Daimler bought a profitable company, then ran it into the ground and sold it.
'Course most of the profit came from Jeep.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:23:13am |
re: #1069 JacksonTn
Yma ... I have one at the farmhouse ...she is a great dog and they are so smart ...she chases the tractors all over ...they need lots of exercise ...they try to herd everything ...I love her ...her name is Mattie ...
She sounds wonderful - like a proper farm Border collie! The ones over here do that as well, and chase cars, too, when they're not out herding sheep.
Give a cuddle to Mattie - I think the BC girlies are much tougher than the BC boys, they always rule the roost!
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:23:15am |
re: #1078 Hard Right
She is proof the body does need SOME fat, her face looks so gaunt, and her thinning skin makes her all veiny. I am all for a fit, nice figure but women should have some softness to them!
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akak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:24:24am |
re: #1020 Kenneth
That makes sense to me. Rewarding uncompetitive companies will only perpetuate the problem. Chapter 11 and reorganization seems the best path.
Two weeks ago the Liberals & NDP were trying to bring down the Conservative gov't because Harper said he wasn't going to panic and throw money around to bailout the economy. Instead he wants to take his time, think carefully and act judiciously. Thank G-d we dodged that bullet!
Kenneth, did you read Ignatieff say to Harper "fix the economy or else"?
/guess Harvard & Oxford have neglected him when it comes to the economy!
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:24:33am |
re: #1042 Honorary Yooper
The Model T, on par with a Yugo? WTF is Time Magazine smoking? No wonder Time is going down the tubes. The Model T only sold about 15 million copies, second only to the VW Beetle.
And there's evidence on film that some of those crazy people drove Model Ts places you wouldn't take a Jeep. Very high ground clearance and artillery-grade spoked wheels had something to do with it, I think...
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:24:44am |
re: #1078 Hard Right
20 years ago I would been looking for it. NOW? I'll try to avoid it like the plague. She is not aging well.
Didn't her ex say something like hugging her is like hugging grizzle?
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cathypop Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:24:45am |
re: #1100 ggt
She looks like she is taking testosterone.
I'M BLIND! Please warn people about what they are about to look at!
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:25:09am |
Speaking of The Autoextremist, Peter has put up another good rant today on the auto company bailout disaster.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:25:22am |
re: #1100 ggt
She looks like she is taking testosterone.
Darned work filter. Saw a picture of her in the Impure Thoughts flap and she has those stringy old lady arms. She's still too young for that. I've seen that on little old ladys in the 70+ range. She's what, 50?
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:25:24am |
re: #1079 ggt
dogs in general. I really want a Mastiff, but I already have two spaniels and it's hard to pet three dogs at once when you only have 2 hands.
Aaahhh!
Why not have four, and use your bare feet to pet two of them, while petting the other two with your hands?
Spaniels are brilliant, their tails just never ever stop wagging!
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:25:31am |
re: #1105 ArmyWife
I'll say. She doesn't look any better in this picture either.
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:25:31am |
re: #1084 Honorary Yooper
There's no point to some of us calling our Senators. One of mine President-elect (D-Emil Jones), and the other is Dickhead "The Turban" Durbin (D-Dumbass).
On the bright side you are in one of the few places in the world where deep dish pizza and sweet corn are within a 10 mile drive.
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quickjustice Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:25:34am |
re: #1103 razorbacker
Cerberus is very, very rich. So why aren't they rescuing Chrysler? And why aren't the unions pressuring them?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:25:57am |
Everyone is calling for Blagojevich to resign. Why the hell would he without a deal in place? I mean if your gonna be a crooked politician, you might as well play it out?
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:26:25am |
re: #1103 razorbacker
The Daimler merger was a bad fit from the outset and they could never leverage the product lines. It was a bad deal for everyone, and product lines on both sides suffered horribly. Now, Cerebus is running what's left of Chrysler into the ground.
The thing is that Chrysler products often have the most striking designs on the showroom floors. They look distinctive from all the rest of those on the market. More angular or muscular, I think some of them look great, but I guess I'm in the minority (and I don't intend on buying anything for a good long while as I'm perfectly content with my existing cars - a used Accord and a Corolla we bought new).
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:26:49am |
re: #1105 ArmyWife
She is proof the body does need SOME fat, her face looks so gaunt, and her thinning skin makes her all veiny. I am all for a fit, nice figure but women should have some softness to them!
Ever since she started Kaballa I've noticed exactly what you pointed out. Taint purdy.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:26:53am |
re: #1112 Hard Right
Darned work filter. Saw a picture of her in the Impure Thoughts flap and she has those stringy old lady arms. She's still too young for that. I've seen that on little old ladys in the 70+ range. She's what, 50?
No, she's pumped up. She looks like she could put Chuck Norris in a headlock.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:27:12am |
re: #1012 Iron Fist
The Global Warming crowd - and I especially include the head of the fucking UN - need to get on China and Russia's ass if they are serious about emissions and "Global Warming" not ours - air quality in the US is the best it's been since the Industrial Revolution.
But they aren't for cleaning up "Global Warming" they are for taking money from US and giving it to everyone else - mostly themselves.
Whatever happened to that Oil-for- Food scandal, anyway?
Anyone?
Bueller?
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:27:44am |
re: #1117 Nevergiveup
Everyone is calling for Blagojevich to resign. Why the hell would he without a deal in place? I mean if your gonna be a crooked politician, you might as well play it out?
He's not going to resign, because that would mean him giving up the one chip he has with investigators for a more lenient sentence. He resigns only with a deal in place with the feds. That's the way I'd play it.
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:27:47am |
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:27:50am |
re: #1107 akak
Kenneth, did you read Ignatieff say to Harper "fix the economy or else"?
/guess Harvard & Oxford have neglected him when it comes to the economy!
Yeah, Iggy with all the gravitas of dottering headmaster. Or else what? You'll gang up with the NDP & Bloc, force an election and loose?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:28:06am |
re: #1118 lawhawk
You praise Chrysler mightily but have 2 Japanese cars?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:28:29am |
re: #1099 realwest
"Maybe you should take a mental health
daydecade."
There, fixed that for you!
Yes, as I read down the thread I quickly realized the inadequacy of my suggestion.
LOL.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:28:48am |
re: #1118 lawhawk
The Daimler merger was a bad fit from the outset and they could never leverage the product lines. It was a bad deal for everyone, and product lines on both sides suffered horribly. Now, Cerebus is running what's left of Chrysler into the ground.
The thing is that Chrysler products often have the most striking designs on the showroom floors. They look distinctive from all the rest of those on the market. More angular or muscular, I think some of them look great, but I guess I'm in the minority (and I don't intend on buying anything for a good long while as I'm perfectly content with my existing cars - a used Accord and a Corolla we bought new).
As soon as Cerberus bought Chrysler, they figured out that they were in over their heads. Buying an automaker isn't the same as buying a grocery store chain. And then bringing in "Minimum Bob" Nardelli to run it? Bad idea.
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rawmuse Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:29:27am |
Good morning, Lizards. Today I have that most rare of creatures, a new media client.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:29:30am |
re: #1121 Ward Cleaver
No, she's pumped up. She looks like she could put Chuck Norris in a headlock.
Her thighs maybe. If I find the pic I'll post it.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:29:32am |
Dunno if the latest storm in the EU teacup has reached your shores yet, but regarding all these bail-outs, the Germans are not playing any longer:
Unlike Brown, Frau Nein is not for turning.
Seems some politicians have been learning some lessons somewhere along the line ... provided they're conservatives.
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Pyrocles Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:29:35am |
Supporting Toyota and other foreign companies is more important for the media. To support American business first is RACIST, obviously! /
re: #690 Honorary Yooper
Yes, because our auto industry has been tossed to to curb by our media and our government many times in the past. While other countries such as Japan, Korea, Germany, and China bolster their industries, we tell ours to drop dead. We have a media that actively denegrates them at every opportunity, as if they have a death wish for American industry. Any time Ford has a recall, it's large headlines and front page. Any time Toyota has a recall (and they have as many as Ford now), it's in the middle of the news, if it is reported at all.
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ironbill Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:29:58am |
If I had a spare 35 grand sitting around, I would run out and buy one of these pronto.
In a couple of years, when Detroit is officially dead, this will be seen as one of those rarity, oddity, unique valuable legacy things that appreciate in value and worth.
Sob. I'm a sad motorhead
Thanks for nuthin' UAW
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:30:18am |
re: #1030 razorbacker
Morning y'all.
Let's look at the weekly paper and see what's what. Last Saturday...
What is the crime rate there, like .001%?
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:30:20am |
re: #1102 UFO TOFU
Yeah, I owned a Nova and a Ventura as a kid. Very little difference between the two. I never understood that concept.
"Bite the wax tadpole? Wow. I heard Coke's "Coke adds life" slogan translated loosely into "Coke brings your dead ancestors to life" in China. Marketing vision I guess.
Some ideas just don't make it past the language barrier.
I remember one Kung Fu flick where the importer made the mistake of translating the characters' names into English. The hero was "Jade Prince of Earth" or something similar, and they used the full name every time they spoke to or about him.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:30:25am |
re: #1132 Hard Right
Her thighs maybe. If I find the pic I'll post it.
Call A-Rod, I hear he has some real close ups?
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:30:25am |
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:31:42am |
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:31:55am |
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CapeCoddah Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:32:04am |
Got some nasty weather this morning. Had an Ice storm go thru most of the state, mini hurricaine here on cape, wind and heavy rain, lost a couple of trees. One just missed the truck.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:32:31am |
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Lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:32:35am |
re: #1126 CapeCoddah
How's the weather up there? I just spoke to a few buddies who are suffering through a massive ice-storm, no power, blocked roads, etc. in Central MA. You Capers fare any better?
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:33:04am |
re: #1128 Nevergiveup
If I were to buy a new car, I would consider 'em. But I bought those Japanese cars years ago.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:33:07am |
re: #1123 realwest
I saw that john Kerry said we would sign onto the UN's global warming inititive before congress acts on domestic policies under Obama...
That's great... Committing more $$ to a 'global' test that will further handcuff American industry...
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:33:26am |
re: #1147 lawhawk
If I were to buy a new car, I would consider 'em. But I bought those Japanese cars years ago.
And a wise investment they were!
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Timbre Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:33:33am |
Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking.— Dave Barry
Politics is actually made up of extremely arrogant and egotistical people called politicians, that you cannot get to shut up and go away unless you have been drinking...heavily.
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:33:35am |
re: #1042 Honorary Yooper
The Model T, on par with a Yugo? WTF is Time Magazine smoking? No wonder Time is going down the tubes. The Model T only sold about 15 million copies, second only to the VW Beetle.
If you actually read the article, you find that Time's problem with the Model T is that it sold so well, and began the auto culture that persist to this day. Time don't like the proles being able to be mobile.
The proles tend to run away from their masters whenever they get a chance.
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:33:39am |
re: #1106 Iron Fist
For some reason, they don't seem to get with the program when you ask to speak to "the goddamned piece of shit motherfucker who's in charge of this clusterfuck."
Go figure. You'd think that they'd be used to it by now.
Good point - perhaps they thought it was just one of the mistresses who didn't get the last hush money payment?
/am I that cynical?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:33:41am |
re: #1041 quickjustice
Chysler's parent company is rolling in dough. The only reason they won't part with it to prop up Chysler is that they hope the taxpayers will do it for them. If the U.S. government got a senior lien on all of Chysler' assets, however, that tune might change.
Talk about the U.S. government fouling up moral hazard!
Exactly!
/why the [expletive deleted] are we even thinking about bailing out Cerberus, a private hedge fund?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:34:25am |
re: #1148 tfc3rid
I saw that john Kerry said we would sign onto the UN's global warming inititive before congress acts on domestic policies under Obama...
That's great... Committing more $$ to a 'global' test that will further handcuff American industry...
Yeah but kerry will be so popular with his eurotrash friends.
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CapeCoddah Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:34:28am |
re: #1146 Lincolntf
How's the weather up there? I just spoke to a few buddies who are suffering through a massive ice-storm, no power, blocked roads, etc. in Central MA. You Capers fare any better?
Yeah, MA and NH are declared states of emergency, just high wind and heavy rain this am, gone now, the Cape got the least. Very few power outages, lots and lots of trees down, though.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:35:19am |
re: #1154 Nevergiveup
Yeah but kerry will be so popular with his eurotrash friends.
And that is what is most important... Our popularity...
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:35:33am |
re: #1141 Kenneth
All that's missing is "Say 'ello to muy leettle freend!"
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:35:40am |
re: #1148 tfc3rid
I saw that john Kerry said we would sign onto the UN's global warming inititive before congress acts on domestic policies under Obama...
That's great... Committing more $$ to a 'global' test that will further handcuff American industry...
figures, now if he'd only sign that Standard Form-180!
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:35:40am |
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:35:50am |
re: #1110 cathypop
I'M BLIND! Please warn people about what they are about to look at!
Oh, come on, she's a good dude!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:36:45am |
re: #1161 Wyatt Earp
Oh, come on, she's a good dude!
She has become more masculine looking. Maybe she grew a penis and that's the real reason Ritchie left her.
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:37:07am |
re: #1116 quickjustice
Cerberus is very, very rich. So why aren't they rescuing Chrysler? And why aren't the unions pressuring them?
Because Cerberus is a bunch of exgovernment officials. Treasury Secretaries and the like. They don't spend their money, they spend your money.
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alegrias Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:37:24am |
I'm glad the car bailout for slugs & UAW thug leaders failed--due to DEMS not voting for it!
These UAW and their leadership are like Blagoyevich.
Instead, they should do like another union member and First Dude of Alaska, and get jobs where America has a shot and a competitive edge.
America has oil & gas & energy reserves to process & sell.
Japan, Taiwan, and China NEED energy resources such as ours.
We have a market sitting there waiting for us to work it.
I
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:37:25am |
re: #1162 Hard Right
She has become more masculine looking. Maybe she grew a penis and that's the real reason Ritchie left her.
And her penis was bigger than his. It's like Bill and Hillary all over again!
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:37:32am |
re: #961 Dasher
Chrysler's parent company won't even lend them a dime.
...and that oughta be telling us something because they could, after all, modify that specific bylaw if they thought the company could be made profitable.
So now Obummer has at least 2 more problems: The prospect of throwing more good money after bad to at least maintain the companies from going insolvent with the high probability that 100's of thousands will lose their jobs during the first 6 months of his tenure; and, where the hell is he going to get labor(cheap or expensive) for his mammoth infrastructure boondoggle?
...from illegal immigrants, of course.
We be thoroughly fooked.
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Steffan Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:37:54am |
re: #1118 lawhawk
The Daimler merger was a bad fit from the outset and they could never leverage the product lines. It was a bad deal for everyone, and product lines on both sides suffered horribly. Now, Cerebus is running what's left of Chrysler into the ground.
The thing is that Chrysler products often have the most striking designs on the showroom floors. They look distinctive from all the rest of those on the market. More angular or muscular, I think some of them look great, but I guess I'm in the minority (and I don't intend on buying anything for a good long while as I'm perfectly content with my existing cars - a used Accord and a Corolla we bought new).
The new Dodge Challenger looks great, but judging from the reviews I've read, under the hood is a half-starved hamster on a rusty wheel.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:37:56am |
re: #1105 ArmyWife
I'll drink to that (just joking) but I do think that even extremely fit women need to have some, uh, curves and all that. Madonna really looks fit, but ugly.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:38:14am |
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:38:43am |
re: #1137 VegasRick
What is the crime rate there, like .001%?
It's low, but not that low. If not for meth and alcohol, the paper would be one sheet, double spaced.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:38:51am |
re: #1165 Wyatt Earp
And her penis was bigger than his. It's like Bill and Hillary all over again!
Except McDonna is the ho.
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:38:53am |
re: #1164 alegrias
I'm glad the car bailout for slugs & UAW thug leaders failed--due to DEMS not voting for it!
These UAW and their leadership are like Blagoyevich.
Instead, they should do like another union member and First Dude of Alaska, and get jobs where America has a shot and a competitive edge.
America has oil & gas & energy reserves to process & sell.
Japan, Taiwan, and China NEED energy resources such as ours.
We have a market sitting there waiting for us to work it.
I
Upding for you!
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nyc redneck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:39:44am |
re: #1157 tfc3rid
And that is what is most important... Our popularity...
we need a potus like john bolton.
being popular is the last thing on his list.
at least w/ europeans where it's not possible anyway.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:39:56am |
re: #1112 Hard Right
Nah, they're not stringy old lady arms, they are stringy MUSCULAR arms - still not attractive, but she's not into the "waif" look.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:39:57am |
If we build a whole bunch of wind turbines is there a chance that the Earth will spin faster?
- worrying about unforeseen side effects of alternate energy sources
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:40:01am |
re: #1169 realwest
I'll drink to that (just joking) but I do think that even extremely fit women need to have some, uh, curves and all that. Madonna really looks fit, but ugly.
It also doesn't help that she could kick all of our asses. Usually, that's not a trait that guys seek out.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:40:14am |
re: #1165 Wyatt Earp
And her penis was bigger than his. It's like Bill and Hillary all over again!
Jack Crabb: [voiceover] That was the end of my religion period.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:41:03am |
re: #1177 Wyatt Earp
It also doesn't help that she could kick all of our asses. Usually, that's not a trait that guys seek out.
Well there is the S&M crowd but...
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:41:10am |
re: #1175 realwest
Nah, they're not stringy old lady arms, they are stringy MUSCULAR arms - still not attractive, but she's not into the "waif" look.
They don't look muscular to me. Just arms with no body fat. Ick.
I'll take a female gymnast any day of the week, tho.
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:41:20am |
re: #1118 lawhawk
The Daimler merger was a bad fit from the outset and they could never leverage the product lines. It was a bad deal for everyone, and product lines on both sides suffered horribly. Now, Cerebus is running what's left of Chrysler into the ground.
The thing is that Chrysler products often have the most striking designs on the showroom floors. They look distinctive from all the rest of those on the market. More angular or muscular, I think some of them look great, but I guess I'm in the minority (and I don't intend on buying anything for a good long while as I'm perfectly content with my existing cars - a used Accord and a Corolla we bought new).
The Chrysler Crossfire is a rebadged Mercedes, and their new vans are rebadged Mercedes. FWIW.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:41:23am |
re: #1166 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Ah, but those illegals will be lagalized under Amnesty... He he he... come on now, there will be no more illegal aliens...
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:41:23am |
re: #1169 realwest
I'll drink to that (just joking) but I do think that even extremely fit women need to have some, uh, curves and all that. Madonna really looks fit, but ugly.
Hi, {rw} - how are you today?
Just a little footnote: in British modern slang, saying of a womane she's 'fit' means she's sexy. Has nothing to do with the fitness acquired by Madonna, for British males, she's definitely not 'fit'!
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:41:43am |
re: #1180 Hard Right
They don't look muscular to me. Just arms with no body fat. Ick.
I'll take a female gymnast any day of the week, tho.
But they tend to be like 14?
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:42:18am |
re: #1171 razorbacker
It's low, but not that low. If not for meth and alcohol, the paper would be one sheet, double spaced.
Here we need a whole section just for the corrupt politicians.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:42:49am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:42:51am |
re: #1185 VegasRick
Here we need a whole section just for the corrupt politicians.
Isn't that what the Congress is for?
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:42:58am |
re: #1116 quickjustice
Because they KNOW that the US government (read the taxpayers) will bail them out. Trust me, if they didn't think so, they wouldn't bail them out, either.
It's as I said upthread: throwing good money after bad.
Sure blame the UAW, blame the stupid (for the automakers) dealer contracts, but now blame management - they don't have ANY PLAN for making the company profitable again (and the same goes for GM in spades!).
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:43:13am |
Morning all,
Earlier this morning I read what that POS Reid had to say yesterday about the failure to pass the big 3 bailout and wanted to choke the guy (again). "I dread looking at Wall Street tomorrow. It's not going to be a pleasant sight." Is this a blatant attempt to drive the market down to get even for the bailout being shot down or what? Stoking fear in an already unstable market, real classy Reid.
Oh I see now on Drudge now that there is a real possibility that Bush may step in. Why the hell would he want to be tagged with another failed policy this late in the game? Surely three weeks or so isn't going to make any difference, let O deal with his first bad move.
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outsidephilly Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:43:13am |
re: #1124 lawhawk
He's not going to resign, because that would mean him giving up the one chip he has with investigators for a more lenient sentence. He resigns only with a deal in place with the feds. That's the way I'd play it.
Nothing's worse than telling an employee their services are no longer needed and they won't leave . . . , and ya know, lots and lots of employees are watching this.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:43:22am |
re: #1182 tfc3rid
Ah, but those illegals will be lagalized under Amnesty... He he he... come on now, there will be no more illegal aliens...
Damn...foiled again. lol
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:43:44am |
re: #1184 Nevergiveup
But they tend to be like 14?
If you don't average in the Chinese team the mean age goes up significantly.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:44:24am |
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:44:25am |
re: #1183 yma o hyd
Hi, {rw} - how are you today?
Just a little footnote: in British modern slang, saying of a womane she's 'fit' means she's sexy. Has nothing to do with the fitness acquired by Madonna, for British males, she's definitely not 'fit'!
I don't think they would like to see her "stuff" herself either.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:44:30am |
re: #1118 lawhawk
I agree with you about the looks, lawhawk, but under the outter body, it's still a Chrysler which is why no one buys 'em.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:44:47am |
re: #1179 Nevergiveup
Well there is the S&M crowd but...
Well, I didn't want to speak for Beer Drinking Victory Monkey. Kidding, kidding!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:44:49am |
re: #1192 DaddyG
If you don't average in the Chinese team the mean age goes up significantly.
Wasn't one of them still in diapers?
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:45:14am |
Just a friendly reminder to vandalize *burp*Newsweek wherever you see it. (in the doc's office, at the mechanic etc..)
[Link: vodkapundit.com...]
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:45:16am |
re: #1165 Wyatt Earp
And her penis was bigger than his. It's like Bill and Hillary all over again!
I did not have sex with that woman.
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:45:18am |
re: #1165 Wyatt Earp
And her penis was bigger than his. It's like Bill and Hillary all over again!
Yeah, and she carried it in a plastic shopping bag!
(notice the worried look on Guy's face...)
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:45:58am |
re: #1187 Nevergiveup
Isn't that what the Congress is for?
Great point! Put bars around the house and the senate and whala' problem solved!
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:46:10am |
re: #1201 Kenneth
Yeah, and she carried it in a plastic shopping bag!
(notice the worried look on Guy's face...)
AAHH! My eyes! The goggles do nothing!
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:46:12am |
re: #1198 Hard Right
Wasn't one of them still in diapers?
You owe me a new keyboard, I just lost a mouthful of soda on that one.
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FrogMarch Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:46:17am |
re: #1189 turn
Harry Reid is a corrupt disaster on stilts.
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:46:17am |
Was out feeding the feral cats and my Jack Russel. Topics now are?
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:46:47am |
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:47:19am |
re: #1206 Pietr
Was out feeding the feral cats
andto my Jack Russel. Topics now are?
bailouts and Madonna's penis
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:48:01am |
re: #1194 buzzsawmonkey
Same thing with the VW bug, racked up 180,000 on my 68 and sold it for $300 more than I paid for it. Loved that car.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:48:52am |
Oh boy, Minnesota is going to go through the lawfully rejected absentee ballots looking for more Franken votes. Unbelievable!
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:49:13am |
re: #1205 FrogMarch
Harry Reid is a corrupt disaster on stilts.
That means I'm going to have to knock him over, then choke him.
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:49:44am |
re: #1209 Kenneth
bailouts and Madonna's penis
Right about now I can see Charles returning from a Friday morning bikeride and logging in...
"I wonder what the Lizards are talking about in the open thread?
Perhaps it's time for a new topic?
OH MY G...!"
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ggt Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:49:52am |
I have to start my day,
Have a great one, Lizards!
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:49:56am |
re: #1204 Dustyvet
When you have the PC off-you could try to wash, rinse. and dry it (unplugged, at the sink). Then, hang it vretically and use the Blow from the vacuum or a hair dryer (heat off) to remove excess water. not recommended for a laptop, tho.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:50:01am |
re: #1134 Pyrocles
Well most of the autos made by "Japanese" or Korean companies are in fact built right here in the good ole USA. They provided mucho jobs to many Americans - tens of thousands of them.
They however don't have to deal with the UAW and they have management that can think, plan and react quickly.
Something neither GM nor Chrysler have.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:50:01am |
You couldn't make it up, if you tried:
Politically correct Christmas carols censor 'king', 'son' and 'virgin'
Reading stuff like that, I despair ...
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:50:03am |
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:50:05am |
NEWS FLASH - GOD ANNOUNCES THE 11TH COMMANDMENT!
During a recent staff meeting in Heaven, God, Moses, and Saint Peter concluded that the behavior of Ex-President Clinton has brought about the need for an eleventh commandment.
They worked long and hard in a brain-storming session to try to settle on the wording of the new commandment, because they realized that it should have the same style, majesty and dignity as the original ten. They began their brain-storming and came up with the 11th.
After many revisions, they finally agreed that the eleventh commandment should be:
"Thou shalt not comfort thy rod with thy staff."
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Lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:50:06am |
re: #1211 Killian Bundy
Will that finally be the end of this charade? Or are there more secret classifications of ballots that we'll learn about only after this count?
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:50:32am |
re: #1211 Killian Bundy
Oh boy, Minnesota is going to go through the lawfully rejected absentee ballots looking for more Franken votes. Unbelievable!
Franken is going to win... No question... And because of this blatant election theft and fraud, the GOP better be prepared to fight fire with fire... Or hell, just show a FIGHT at all...
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:50:35am |
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:00am |
re: #1194 buzzsawmonkey
I've read that once upon a time, half the cars on the world's roads were Model Ts.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:04am |
re: #1204 Dustyvet
You owe me a new keyboard, I just lost a mouthful of soda on that one.
Ahhh, the spew. If I get one person ruin their keyboard, I've done my job.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:08am |
re: #1216 Pietr
When you have the PC off-you could try to wash, rinse. and dry it (unplugged, at the sink). Then, hang it vretically and use the Blow from the vacuum or a hair dryer (heat off) to remove excess water. not recommended for a laptop, tho.
Thanks, my wife wants to fluff dry it...:)
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:13am |
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vxbush Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:18am |
Okay, we need something to cleanse the visual palette after all this. I vote for Sean Connery. he has aged very well.
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:19am |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:40am |
re: #1219 Nevergiveup
Is there like a drop dead date in that state to finally elect someone?
/December 19th, theoretically
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ArmyWife Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:50am |
You guys have a great day! I am off to the tack store. Its supplement buying day - eek. For those of you contemplating buying a horse, or who have children thinking they want a horse, let me suggest stamp collecting instead.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:51:50am |
re: #1223 MandyManners
Oh, please. Get real. Pull-ups!
They might not have actually been in them but they could have fit in them. That is bad enough!
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:52:06am |
re: #1228 vxbush
Okay, we need something to cleanse the visual palette after all this. I vote for Sean Connery. he has aged very well.
I second that!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:52:17am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:52:20am |
re: #1148 tfc3rid
Well what do you expect from John Effin' Kerry? He is now and will forever be remembered as an asshole.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:52:21am |
Interesting... I did not see the names of the Pro-bailout GOP'ers... this is from Michele Malkin's site... Glad to see that McCain is not on there...
The 10 pro-bailout Republicans:
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Collins (R-ME)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Lugar (R-IN)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:52:27am |
re: #1211 Killian Bundy
Oh boy, Minnesota is going to go through the lawfully rejected absentee ballots looking for more Franken votes. Unbelievable!
This obviously favors Frankin. There is a strong and valid correlation between Democratic voters and maroons who can't figure out how to color in a small circle with a pencil.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:52:48am |
re: #1235 realwest
Well what do you expect from John Effin' Kerry? He is now and will forever be remembered as an asshole.
I hope he just stays overseas.
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:53:03am |
re: #1220 Dustyvet
NEWS FLASH - GOD ANNOUNCES THE 11TH COMMANDMENT!
..."Thou shalt not comfort thy rod with thy staff."
"Nor shalt thou know thy staff's ass"
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:53:04am |
re: #1218 yma o hyd
You couldn't make it up, if you tried:
Politically correct Christmas carols censor 'king', 'son' and 'virgin'
Reading stuff like that, I despair ...
It comes just a day after a Church of England vicar banned his congregation from singing O Little Town of Bethlehem because he believed its words do not reflect the suffering endured by modern residents of Jesus's birthplace.
Didn't the Muslims run out all the Christians?
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:53:32am |
re: #1213 buzzsawmonkey
The old Volvo 544s and 122s were sweet too, despite a tendency for the fenders to rust out. Good for hundreds of thousands of miles, had peppy engines with dual carbs and a hand choke, and you could repair them with hairpins.
I broke a thottle cable in the 68 and I was way out in the boons. I found a spoon and bent it just right, pried it into place, started it in 1st and made it all the way home. Hairpins or spoons, no diff.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:53:41am |
re: #1212 turn
That means I'm going to have to knock him over, then choke him.
Nope. Grab two beavers and wait.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:54:15am |
re: #1241 MandyManners
It comes just a day after a Church of England vicar banned his congregation from singing O Little Town of Bethlehem because he believed its words do not reflect the suffering endured by modern residents of Jesus's birthplace.
Didn't the Muslims run out all the Christians?
Not quite yet - but they do have a lot of help from so-called 'Christians', never mind the usual suspects ...
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:54:27am |
re: #1218 yma o hyd
You couldn't make it up, if you tried:
Politically correct Christmas carols censor 'king', 'son' and 'virgin'
Reading stuff like that, I despair ...
The U.K. is fucked.
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Dustyvet Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:54:29am |
re: #1235 realwest
Well what do you expect from John Effin' Kerry? He is now and will forever be remembered as an asshole.
I keep having this recurring dream of John Kerry and I on the front porch of the Old soldiers and sailors home...:)
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:55:15am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:55:28am |
re: #1177 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt! Speak for yourself - she couldn't take me in a fight.
I'd just -ah, nevermind, don't want to violate Charles' Rules but think about something and "Mossburg"!
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:55:33am |
re: #1231 ArmyWife
You guys have a great day! I am off to the tack store. Its supplement buying day - eek. For those of you contemplating buying a horse, or who have children thinking they want a horse, let me suggest stamp collecting instead.
Haha, expensive animals to keep no doubt.
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invictus1 Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:55:43am |
re: #1229 turn
This is starting to really piss me off. Why won't that POS just go away? Unbelievable if this guy wins.
Will you ever get used to the words "Senator Al Franken"?
Hmm.. Maybe after "Senator Chris Matthews".
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:55:47am |
re: #1232 Nevergiveup
They might not have actually been in them but they could have fit in them. That is bad enough!
I hear the Chinese female gymnasts were caught doping with a new diet drug... Noassatall.
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nyc redneck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:55:52am |
re: #1218 yma o hyd
You couldn't make it up, if you tried:
Politically correct Christmas carols censor 'king', 'son' and 'virgin'
Reading stuff like that, I despair ...
what is so bad is the nature of the capitulation.
it seems so eager, so voluntary, so happily done and so preemptively done.
it is a drastic and sad move. to fundamentally change traditional christmas songs.
i wish britain would wake up and be proud of their heritage.
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:55:59am |
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:56:07am |
re: #1194 buzzsawmonkey
It's interesting that the quote upthread dismisses the Model T as a "piece of junk."
That Time piece (no pun intended) mixes in sane, and funny, criticism of some of the auto industry's clunkers, with stupid, politically-driven jeremaiads. The author's chief criticism of the Model T is that it got the hoi polloi driving cars. Which is, you know, bad for Earth Mother Gaia.
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vxbush Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:56:31am |
re: #1252 DaddyG
I hear the Chinese female gymnasts were caught doping with a new diet drug... Noassatall.
Maybe I should be taking that...
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:56:48am |
re: #1252 DaddyG
I hear the Chinese female gymnasts were caught doping with a new diet drug... Noassatall.
Considering a down ding for that one.
/
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:57:04am |
re: #1181 razorbacker
What do y'all mean by "rebadged" - they sure as hell aren't as well made as the Mercedes!
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:57:07am |
re: #1240 Kenneth
"Nor shalt thou know thy staff's ass"
Nor shall a man lie down with a lobbyist, for it is an abomination.
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:57:51am |
re: #1244 Hard Right
Nope. Grab two beavers and wait.
I know Harry's a Mormon but we don't do that multiple wife thing anymore.
/and yes I'm going to hell for that.
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:57:58am |
re: #1222 tfc3rid
Franken is going to win... No question... And because of this blatant election theft and fraud, the GOP better be prepared to fight fire with fire... Or hell, just show a FIGHT at all...
Really? I hope you're wrong. Isn't Coleman ahead by 130 or so?
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:57:58am |
And here's another amazing piece of news:
Mugabe claims cholera was released by the British
Seems like insanity is spreading all over the world now!
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:58:34am |
re: #1261 DaddyG
I know Harry's a Mormon but we don't do that multiple wife thing anymore.
/and yes I'm going to hell for that.
Two beavers are better than one.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:58:48am |
Speaking of dreams; our son, 12, told Mr DT that he had a very vivid dream about Israel bombing Iran - and that in his dream, his father and I were discussing it in our room.
Mr DT pointed out that since he is in Indiana with our son, teaching a trapping class, and I am in New Jersey, that his dream couldn't come true until we are all back together - at least by Sunday.
So get ready...who would be totally shocked by that?
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:59:09am |
re: #1239 Iron Fist
Sounds like a good description of the AK-47. You can do just about any damned thing you want to short of cutting it up with a blowtorch and it'll run
I've read that you can slap one together out of parts originating from a Russian AK and a Chinese copy, and it'll run just fine. Won't win any precision-shooting contests, exactly, but it'll reliably put rounds downrange.
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:59:11am |
re: #1247 Dustyvet
Are you armed-or planning on 'hand-to hand'? :>)
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:59:23am |
re: #1251 invictus1
Will you ever get used to the words "Senator Al Franken"?
Hmm.. Maybe after "Senator Chris Matthews".
It would be hard to choose who is worse. Ha! (that was my ha not Chrissies - he sounds so queer when he does that)
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nyc redneck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:59:37am |
re: #1258 Iron Fist
It will be a defeat for American Democracy if Franken is allowed to steal this election. It's like Stalin said "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything". Words that the modern Democrat Party live by.
coleman needs to get tuff or he is going to be robbed in broad day light by a fcking slob who needs his face punched.
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:59:43am |
re: #1257 Hard Right
Considering a down ding for that one.
/
You would not be convicted by a jury of your peers. Perhaps Charles can outfit us with a "groan" button?
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 8:59:56am |
re: #1259 realwest
What do y'all mean by "rebadged" - they sure as hell aren't as well made as the Mercedes!
Mercedes actually gets surprisingly poor reliability ratings, IIRC.
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Kenneth Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:00:12am |
re: #1260 Occasional Reader
Nor shall a man lie down with a lobbyist, for it is an abomination.
One hundred pillars of salt in the senate?
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:00:22am |
re: #1253 nyc redneck
what is so bad is the nature of the capitulation.
it seems so eager, so voluntary, so happily done and so preemptively done.
it is a drastic and sad move. to fundamentally change traditional christmas songs.
i wish britain would wake up and be proud of their heritage.
Thing is - quite a lot are proud, but have been forbidden to say so because it might offend ... the usual suspects, and especially our NuLab masters, on all levels, who can at least impose their PC on us, even if they can't get the economy or anything else working.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:00:29am |
re: #1261 DaddyG
I know Harry's a Mormon but we don't do that multiple wife thing anymore.
/and yes I'm going to hell for that.
He seems to be a Mormon in name only. Not any type of ethics that I would recognize. And a coward to boot. Mr doom and gloom himself.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:00:39am |
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:00:59am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:00:59am |
re: #1271 DaddyG
You would not be convicted by a jury of your peers. Perhaps Charles can outfit us with a "groan" button?
That's actually a great suggestion. Having a high groan ratio would be as good as having a high karma.
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Dasher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:02:09am |
re: #1010 JacksonTn
What was the point of even taking a vote on this bailout if Bush and the treasury is just going to okay the TARP money? ...I just don't get it ...
I think the TARP money will have few restrictions.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:02:49am |
I saw this in another article but this gives the basic information:
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:03:40am |
re: #1258 Iron Fist
It will be a defeat for American Democracy if Franken is allowed to steal this election. It's like Stalin said "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything". Words that the modern Democrat Party live by.
I didn't know Palin said that, how true. Shit with ACORN stuffing the box and all this creative counting it's a miracle any repubs get elected. I can still envision that squirrelly eyed guy looking at those dimpled chads in the 2000 election. Incidentally that election is really what got me interested in politics, before that I just blew it off.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:03:40am |
And this really takes the biscuit:
Armed Services take first big hit in public spending
You watch out - this is exactly what B0 will do, if the economy hits him in the face, come January 20th.
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DaddyG Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:03:48am |
re: #1279 Nevergiveup
That's actually a great suggestion. Having a high groan ratio would be as good as having a high karma.
We could spend all day "Pun"ishing each other with it.
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:03:49am |
re: #1259 realwest
What do y'all mean by "rebadged" - they sure as hell aren't as well made as the Mercedes!
As for the van. Look at a picture of the Sprinter and a picture of Mercedes vans in europe. Same ride.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:04:01am |
re: #1276 buzzsawmonkey
Well, she did ditch Edmond Dantes for his rival Fernand.
Didn't Ricardo Montalban promote the Chrysler Monte Cristo? Something about "rich Corinthinan leather"?
/
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nyc redneck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:04:41am |
re: #1274 yma o hyd
Thing is - quite a lot are proud, but have been forbidden to say so because it might offend ... the usual suspects, and especially our NuLab masters, on all levels, who can at least impose their PC on us, even if they can't get the economy or anything else working.
it must be so difficult for the british citizens to tolerate this insanity foisted on them.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:04:52am |
Here's something of Dave Barry's that my dad sent me yesterday: A journey into my colon -- and yours.
(Yay, no more LGF withdrawal... Qwest was dinking around with something yesterday so my innernutz was down the whole day.)
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DisturbedEma Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:05:19am |
re: #1287 Occasional Reader
Didn't Ricardo Montalban promote the Chrysler Monte Cristo? Something about "rich Corinthinan leather"?
/
KHAN!
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:05:35am |
re: #1277 Killgore Trout
Cute-looked to be an Abyssinian cat, but couldn't say for sure.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:06:34am |
re: #1288 nyc redneck
it must be so difficult for the british citizens to tolerate this insanity foisted on them.
More and more people are letting rip, on blogs and on the online newspapers. Even on the Beeb the ratio of 'get rid of Brown' v 'Tories are bad' is now 85 : 15, if not more, and that Beeb blog is heavily moderated ...
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:06:37am |
Democrats donate money to their own self-named charities.
How is this for the ultimate tax scam?
Sen. Evan Bayh
AP
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
AP
By Matt Kelley, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Rep. Rahm Emanuel made millions as an investment banker. Sen. Evan Bayh had leftover cash after two successful campaigns for Indiana governor. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul, became wealthy investing in real estate and technology firms.
It was with this money that each of these Democrats started a charitable foundation.IT'S THE LAW: Dems fail to disclose roles in charities
Emanuel, Bayh and Nancy Pelosi are officers of the foundations that carry their names but failed to disclose the fact on their annual financial disclosure reports filed with Congress. Tax records show the foundations donated mostly to hometown charities that reflect the lawmakers' personal and political attitudes. None of the foundations received donations from outside sources.
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Lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:06:43am |
re: #1282 DistantThunder
"The Rahm Emanuel and Amy Rule Charitable Trust was formed in 2002, when the Chicago lawmaker was first elected. The former Clinton White House aide and his wife, Amy Rule, are its only donors."
How can this not be a first-rate case of fraud/tax-evasion/etc.? It simply can't be legal to claim yourself/your home as a charity when you're the only donor and the only beneficiary of the "charity".
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:06:57am |
Shit I hit the wrong button and closed out all my windows again. I hate when that happens, I only get further and further behind.
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gop_patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:07:41am |
re: #1218 yma o hyd
You couldn't make it up, if you tried:
Politically correct Christmas carols censor 'king', 'son' and 'virgin'
Reading stuff like that, I despair ...
Oh my. Where to start...
It comes just a day after a Church of England vicar banned his congregation from singing O Little Town of Bethlehem because he believed its words do not reflect the suffering endured by modern residents of Jesus's birthplace.
It just gets worse from there. I am literally speechless.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:07:44am |
re: #1239 Iron Fist
Why not - the venerable AK-47 is the perfect assault rifle - not much training required to fire it; spray and pray technique comes naturally to most of those who use it, it's got GREAT penetrating power and it requires VERY little maintenance.
It's why it's the gun of choice for terrorists. And the "armies" of Warlords the world over.
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:08:31am |
re: #1244 Hard Right
Nope. Grab two beavers and wait.
Hehe, I would hope they would chew on something besides the wood.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:08:39am |
re: #1271 DaddyG
You would not be convicted by a jury of your peers. Perhaps Charles can outfit us with a "groan" button?
A flashing groan button that lights up after a certain number of clicks.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:08:43am |
re: #1295 vxbush
Wow. My cat would hate that. Completely.
My cat would look up at me and tell me to get my lazy ass down there and pick him up!
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vxbush Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:08:47am |
re: #1296 Lincolntf
"The Rahm Emanuel and Amy Rule Charitable Trust was formed in 2002, when the Chicago lawmaker was first elected. The former Clinton White House aide and his wife, Amy Rule, are its only donors."
How can this not be a first-rate case of fraud/tax-evasion/etc.? It simply can't be legal to claim yourself/your home as a charity when you're the only donor and the only beneficiary of the "charity".
You're forgetting: it would be illegal if we did it, but as an elite he's allowed to get away with anything.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:08:49am |
re: #1295 vxbush
My kitten would do that but my older cat is way to nervous to put up with an elevator ride.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:09:02am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:09:02am |
re: #1247 Dustyvet
No doubt followed by the dream where it's just you sitting there! LOL!
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:09:32am |
Fed Refuses to Disclose Recipients of $2 Trillion
Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve refused a request by Bloomberg News to disclose the recipients of more than $2 trillion of emergency loans from U.S. taxpayers and the assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.
The Fed responded Dec. 8, saying it’s allowed to withhold internal memos as well as information about trade secrets and commercial information. The institution confirmed that a records search found 231 pages of documents pertaining to some of the requests.
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vxbush Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:09:35am |
re: #1302 Nevergiveup
My cat would look up at me and tell me to get my lazy ass down there and pick him up!
See, my cat hates to be picked up. Hates it, hates it, hates it. If she's going to go vertical, she wants to be in control. She'll jump pretty high, but it's on her terms.
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Pietr Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:09:39am |
re: #1297 turn
maybe that U-turn avatar/SN are jinxing U? JK...Cheers.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:10:10am |
re: #1303 vxbush
You're forgetting: it would be illegal if we did it, but as an elite he's allowed to get away with anything.
Not only does he do it, but when it is publicized and there is an outcry, nothing changes.
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:10:18am |
re: #1265 buzzsawmonkey
So actually, modern-day Islamist terrorism is all Henry Ford's fault. Reminds me of the book and the TV series "Connections". I loved that show.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:10:22am |
re: #1298 gop_patriot
It just gets worse from there. I am literally speechless.
Looks as if the Archbishop of Canterbury knew exactly what he was doing when he amde that speech earlier this year about Sharia Law in the UK.
Looks as if a large number of his vicars think along the same line.
And then they wonder why people aren't attending church services any longer!
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:10:28am |
re: #1282 DistantThunder
I saw this in another article but this gives the basic information:
What are the odds that I could get away with that?
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:10:31am |
Rush - the bailout is going to happen. It's just a matter of time.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:10:58am |
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:11:18am |
re: #1263 yma o hyd
Nope. That's home grown insanity. Zimbabwe's disaster started pretty much the moment Mugabe took over. 231 million percent inflation is no one's fault but Mugabe's. The cholera epidemic is Mugabe's fault and no one else's.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:11:33am |
re: #1314 MandyManners
What are the odds that I could get away with that?
Allow you to introduce you to my friend, Slim; and his sister, who's a Nun.
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Buck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:11:42am |
re: #838 Kenneth
While we are busy railing against the auto bailouts, I have a few questions worth considering:
If there are no bailouts, what then?
How many automakers go under?
How many people lose their jobs?
What about the smaller companies that supply parts to the Big Three?
What about all the small businesses in the towns where autoworkers live? How many more businesses will fail?
How many more people will lose their jobs?
When all those people lose their jobs, how many will lose their homes?
How many more bank failures?And so on...and so on...
It seems to me this isn't just about the CEOs & the union fatcats. The ramifications on the economy of the whole country will be huge. Go ahead, stick it to the unions, screw the CEOs. Tell the gov't to do nothing. Then sit back and watch what happens.
Sure seems bad... IF ALL THREE GO UNDER AT ONCE...
But if only one goes under, well the smaller companies that supply parts to the Big Three, now supply to a Big Two (and probably the Japanese companies in the USA as well) so most will be ok. Some employees lose their jobs, but most will find new jobs. Maybe they don't pay as well, but when Enron and Worldcom failed, people lost their jobs... not the end of the world.
In fact maybe Ford will do better if it stands alone? Maybe Ford will hire people, buy the better factories.
Maybe a Big one or Two is the right number.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:11:45am |
re: #1315 midwestgak
Rush - the bailout is going to happen. It's just a matter of time.
Because it's a union bailout.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:11:53am |
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:12:48am |
Speaking of rebadged autos.
Look at that 'German engineered' VW Routan and the Chrysler Town & Country van.
Same ride with a different grill.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:02am |
re: #1323 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Good point. Cat robotics are way behind.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:06am |
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:11am |
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:13am |
re: #1324 nyc redneck
i need a cheeseburger.
I ordered a Vienna hot dog with fries. Being delivered.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:19am |
re: #1315 midwestgak
Rush - the bailout is going to happen. It's just a matter of time.
I agree... It will happen... It IS only a matter of time... They will wait until the new Congress is seated...
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:19am |
re: #1299 realwest
Why not - the venerable AK-47 is the perfect assault rifle - not much training required to fire it; spray and pray technique comes naturally to most of those who use it, it's got GREAT penetrating power and it requires VERY little maintenance.
It's why it's the gun of choice for terrorists. And the "armies" of Warlords the world over.
IIRC, it was designed for massed fire and not precision. My NHM-91 is fairly accurate tho.
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DistantThunder Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:23am |
re: #1314 MandyManners
What are the odds that I could get away with that?
Slim to none. I thought of a protest in which milllions of Americans submitted applications for their own family foundations. But the Obama administration (that phrase is like finger nails on a chalk board) would only hire more people to meet the workload, and then they'd have a list of subversives to initiate the purges.
It's wrong in so many ways.
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:27am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:13:46am |
re: #1327 Killgore Trout
Good point. Cat robotics are way behind.
Well, they do sleep 18 hours a day.
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VegasRick Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:14:22am |
re: #1331 tfc3rid
I agree... It will happen... It IS only a matter of time... They will wait until the new
CongressRegime is seated...
Closer to true.
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:14:26am |
re: #1327 Killgore Trout
Good point. Cat robotics are way behind.
There's a reason for that... don't you know.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:14:30am |
re: #1305 Iron Fist
and the tolerances aren't particularly tight
By design, right? Wasn't Comrade K's idea that you should be able to run a handful of sand through the weapon, and it would still fire?
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:14:44am |
re: #1305 Iron Fist
Yeah, I don't see where there'd be a problem with that. The AK design is simple, and the tolerances aren't particularly tight. The only internal difference that I can think of is Hungarian AKs have a rate-reducer inside to slow down the cyclic rate of fire. You can even put in full auto parts except for the auto-sear. I think John Law frowns on it, but without the auto-sear the gun isn't going to fire fully automatic.
Years ago the Egyptians brought in a boatload of AKs with machinegun receivers. The ATF signed off on them, let them be imported and sold and then decided that they'd made a mistake and they needed to get the guns back. I had a couple of friends with them, and they were unamused. They turned the rifles in (swapped them for approved weapons)
IIRC, just having full auto trigger parts and an AK will get you 10 years in club fed for Intent.
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Buck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:14:58am |
re: #1022 Wyatt Earp
Good morning, Lizards! I just saw the new Jennifer Aniston GQ cover. Yummay!
Way too skinny IMO.
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nyc redneck Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:15:07am |
re: #1330 midwestgak
I ordered a Vienna hot dog with fries. Being delivered.
hmmm, maybe i should reconsider.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:15:26am |
re: #1336 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Well, they do sleep 18 hours a day.
I think they're just resting up... for something big.
[looking nervously out window]
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:15:26am |
re: #1272 Occasional Reader Really? I'm truly surprised by that - I know that they were taken by surprise by Lexus, but had read somewhere that they then really started making superb automobiles, knowing that the brand alone wouldn't carry the day.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:15:29am |
re: #1339 Occasional Reader
By design, right? Wasn't Comrade K's idea that you should be able to run a handful of sand through the weapon, and it would still fire?
There's a vid of that somewhere.
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DeafDog Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:15:47am |
re: #1282 DistantThunder
I saw this in another article but this gives the basic information:
Excellent find.
Thank you for posting that.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:16:06am |
re: #1339 Occasional Reader
By design, right? Wasn't Comrade K's idea that you should be able to run a handful of sand through the weapon, and it would still fire?
And the Italian rifles of WWII were designed to stop working after being dropped once.
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:16:20am |
re: #1310 Pietr
maybe that U-turn avatar/SN are jinxing U? JK...Cheers.
Can't blame it on my avatar, that would be closer to a refresh the page.
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tfc3rid Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:16:42am |
re: #1337 VegasRick
Closer to true.
No, I actually think Congress will tackle it before Obama is in the WH... That way, if it fails, they can say it was George Bush's auto bailout...
See how easy it is?
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jorline Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:16:47am |
re: #1315 midwestgak
Rush - the bailout is going to happen. It's just a matter of time.
Rush is probably right. I don't think Bush wants to be known as "The Little Train that Couldn't", pertaining to the bailout.
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:16:59am |
Rebadged autos...show me the difference between a Toyota Matrix and a Pontiac Vibe.
A Saturn/Pontiac roadster (the two seater, the name escapes me) and the Opel sold in Europe.
A Ford Ranger and Mazda pickup.
The late/lamented Pontiac GTO and the Holden (Austrailia) from which it came.
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midwestgak Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:16:59am |
Rush speculating that Bush is doing the TARP thing because of legacy. Doesn't want 2 to 3 car companies going under on his watch.
Didn't I read something like that in one of the threads here? The guilty lizard please stand up. : )
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turn Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:17:19am |
re: #1315 midwestgak
Rush - the bailout is going to happen. It's just a matter of time.
I hope it happens on O's watch, he can go down in history with the failure.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:17:50am |
re: #1345 Occasional Reader
I think they're just resting up... for something big.
[looking nervously out window]
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:18:00am |
re: #1318 lawhawk
Nope. That's home grown insanity. Zimbabwe's disaster started pretty much the moment Mugabe took over. 231 million percent inflation is no one's fault but Mugabe's. The cholera epidemic is Mugabe's fault and no one else's.
Yep - but Mugabe doesn't think so!
I surmise that he said this for consumption in Africa, especially in South Africa across the border, which are taking the brunt of the refugees from Zimbabwe.
I cannot believe how utterly supine African leaders are in the face of the multiple catastrophes taking place right now on their continent. One wonders how it is that India, also a colony, has done so well, and how they all are failing, failing, failing ...
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:18:21am |
re: #1338 lawhawk
It looks pretty good but I never underestimate Hollywood's ability to screw up a good idea.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:18:27am |
re: #1346 realwest
Really? I'm truly surprised by that - I know that they were taken by surprise by Lexus, but had read somewhere that they then really started making superb automobiles, knowing that the brand alone wouldn't carry the day.
I seem to recall from the annual auto quality survey from two or three years ago (by whatstheirname) that Mercedes did not come out well in reliability... wouldn't swear to it, though.
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Hard Right Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:18:58am |
re: #1354 razorbacker
Rebadged autos...show me the difference between a Toyota Matrix and a Pontiac Vibe.
A Saturn/Pontiac roadster (the two seater, the name escapes me) and the Opel sold in Europe.
Sky and Solstice. Major pieces of junk from what I've read. :(
A Ford Ranger and Mazda pickup.
The late/lamented Pontiac GTO and the Holden (Austrailia) from which it came.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:19:57am |
Taleban tax: allied supply convoys pay their enemies for safe passage
The West is indirectly funding the insurgency in Afghanistan thanks to a system of payoffs to Taleban commanders who charge protection money to allow convoys of military supplies to reach Nato bases in the south of the country.
Contracts to supply British bases and those of other Western forces with fuel, supplies and equipment are held by multinational companies.
However, the business of moving supplies from the Pakistani port of Karachi to British, US and other military contingents in the country is largely subcontracted to local trucking companies. These must run the gauntlet of the increasingly dangerous roads south of Kabul in convoys protected by hired gunmen from Afghan security companies.
The Times has learnt that it is in the outsourcing of convoys that payoffs amounting to millions of pounds, including money from British taxpayers, are given to the Taleban.
/oh boy, we're paying to kill our own soldiers
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:20:00am |
re: #1284 yma o hyd
That truly is inexcusible. Read the comments just below the article.
Great Britain, it seems, is determined to become a Third Rate military power.
Such a shame.
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gop_patriot Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:20:05am |
re: #1313 yma o hyd
Looks as if the Archbishop of Canterbury knew exactly what he was doing when he amde that speech earlier this year about Sharia Law in the UK.
Looks as if a large number of his vicars think along the same line.And then they wonder why people aren't attending church services any longer!
Yes. Exactly. I'm disgusted.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:21:29am |
re: #1358 yma o hyd
Yep - but Mugabe doesn't think so!
I surmise that he said this for consumption in Africa, especially in South Africa across the border, which are taking the brunt of the refugees from Zimbabwe.
I cannot believe how utterly supine African leaders are in the face of the multiple catastrophes taking place right now on their continent. One wonders how it is that India, also a colony, has done so well, and how they all are failing, failing, failing ...
Say what you will about Ian Smith, Rhodesia was never as bad as Zimbabwe is today.
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:22:42am |
re: #1360 Occasional Reader
I seem to recall from the annual auto quality survey from two or three years ago (by whatstheirname) that Mercedes did not come out well in reliability... wouldn't swear to it, though.
No, you're right. If you will check out the German mag. Der Spegial (sp) they have articles indicating that Mercedes, BMW, and even VW all have major quality issues. And all are verging on bankruptcy.
I linked to it a few days ago. I was surprised, but not shocked.
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yma o hyd Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:23:02am |
re: #1366 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Say what you will about Ian Smith, Rhodesia was never as bad as Zimbabwe is today.
Sure - but thats sooo racist!
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:23:34am |
re: #1362 Killian Bundy
Taleban tax: allied supply convoys pay their enemies for safe passage
/oh boy, we're paying to kill our own soldiers
Oh. My. God.
Milo Minderbinder would be proud.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:24:42am |
re: #1286 razorbacker
Huh. Thanks for that link - although it seems the newer version of the Mercedes is outselling the Crossfire.
But what I was sorta getting at is: would you rather buy the Chrysler or the Mercedes? Or, more particularly do you think the American public would rather own a Chrysler or a Mercedes?
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Pyrocles Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:26:21am |
Several of my cats would probably enjoy that. A few of them like to jump onto my shoulders and ride me around the house like their own personal transport.
It's cute...but murder on my shirts! And my back is pretty scarred up...hehe.
re: #1304 Killgore Trout
My kitten would do that but my older cat is way to nervous to put up with an elevator ride.
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Rancher Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:26:22am |
re: #699 Iron Fist
If his advisors are any indication it looks like Obama will force some sort of two state solution on Israel. They believe in "linkage", that Islamic terrorism stems mainly from the Palestinian Israeli conflict. Stupid place to begin but that is their starting point. So the overriding concern vis a vis the War on Terror (WOT), if they even think there is or should be a WOT, is for the Palestinians and Israelis to make nice. Aside from the irreconcilable differences concerning Jerusalem and the "Right of Return", we all know the conflict is a vehicle for all the Muslim nations to continue their attack on Israel and Jews in general so they don't really want a solution. The conflict also channels away dissenters that might fight for their own citizen rights as opposed to Jihad against Israel and the West.
Things don't look good for Israel. Two State champions Robert Malley and Samantha Power are now back on Obama's team of advisors. Malley quit the campaign after his ties to Hamas became an issue. Malley has since been sent to the Middle East by Barack Obama as his envoy to Syria and Egypt.
The Obama con: Gulling Americans into making terror legit
This week, Middle East Newsline reported that President-elect Obama recently sent "senior foreign policy adviser" Malley to Egypt and Syria where he "relayed a pledge from Obama that the United States would seek to enhance relations with Cairo as well as reconcile with Damascus."
Power’s was advocating cutting off American support of Israel and giving millions of dollars to help the Palestinians and Hamas build a powerful military. Now we hear this little tidbit from Fatah member Saed Kamal complaining that Obama is holding meetings with Hamas.
The Palestinian delegation in Egypt has precise information about secret talks between Hamas and the U.S. These talks are ongoing and took place as recently as in the last weeks.
U.S. accused of meeting secretly with terrorists
Ahmed Yousef, Hamas' chief political adviser in Gaza, claimed to WND today his group has held talks with U.S. officials, including members of both Democratic and Republican parties. He said he is not encouraged the Bush administration will engage with Hamas, but said he believes the incoming administration of Barack Obama will favor dialogue.
Maybe I'm being cynical, maybe Obama will talk the talk but not walk the walk, maybe he will actually be “America’s First Jewish President”
But I doubt it.
Real Rancher
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:27:27am |
re: #1294 DistantThunder
HI DT - WOW. Just an excellent comment and link, thank you very much!
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:28:32am |
re: #1296 Lincolntf
So, who are you going to complain to when Obama is POTUS - the IRS?!
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:31:23am |
re: #1371 realwest
Huh. Thanks for that link - although it seems the newer version of the Mercedes is outselling the Crossfire.
But what I was sorta getting at is: would you rather buy the Chrysler or the Mercedes? Or, more particularly do you think the American public would rather own a Chrysler or a Mercedes?
The American public perception lags the reality. The perception is that German cars are super-engineered jewels of automotive perfection. The reality is that they are good cars, but no better than a slew of other makes on the road.
And that American cars are crap. The reality is that American cars hold their own, and in some cases surpass, the foreign competition. But everyone remembers their 70s era POS from the Little Three.
Speaking of which, I've gotta go change the oil (just about the only user-servic
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razorbacker Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:32:11am |
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:33:57am |
re: #1317 buzzsawmonkey
Hi buzz - well it was from NPR don't forget.
I put Mugabe up their with the worst of the worst. The millions of his own people dead or dying of starvation in a nation which used to be the breadbasket of Africa is just criminality at it's worst. Pol Pot would approve of him but the UN won't do a frigging thing about it.
It's a failed state. Period. Not "very near" it's THERE.
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Lincolntf Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:35:36am |
re: #1376 realwest
True. It's probably hopeless.
Even if Rahm is miraculously found "guilty" of something, he'll be given the opportunity to "repay" his taxes, correcting the "oversight" that caused the "confusion" in his tax returns.
You or I would be cooling our heels in the clink while our houses were being auctioned off.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:37:57am |
re: #1375 Iron Fist
An AKs a fun little gun to shoot. I think everyone should have one or two.
You've convinced me. I'm getting one for Mom for Christmas.
I can't wait to see her face when she unwraps it.
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realwest Fri, Dec 12, 2008 9:38:44am |
re: #1339 Occasional Reader Don't know if it was his plan, but it's damned near true - damn thing can be dropped into a muddy puddle so deep you have to feel around to find it, take it out, shake out the water and it'll still fire.
And, as I said, it's got GREAT penetrating power - I've seen a GI "hiding" behind a tree that was probably 4" in diameter during an ambush and fucking rounds went throught the tree and into his head - pierced the tree and the helmet.
Damn good thing for us it's not exactly a precision weapon.
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zimriel Fri, Dec 12, 2008 10:04:57am |
re: #162 TheMatrix31
Finals got to me in that now that they're over, my brain is completely dead.
Igor! Screw in the electrodes STAT!
While this commenter is still unconscious, we'll try reading his dreams.
But if that doesn't work, if we preserve his brain right it'll keep for 2300 years.
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