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Overnight Open Thread

Open | Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:05:10 pm PST

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— Dave Barry

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1 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:07:39pm

Might explain a few things downstairs.....

2 Racer X  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:09:12pm

I can see the actual "Overnight Open Thread"

3 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:09:15pm

Obama has done more to besmirch the “Office of the President Elect” more than anyone in American history. Discuss.

4 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:09:21pm

Dave Barry! I approve.

5 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:09:44pm

re: #3 gmsc

Obama has done more to besmirch the “Office of the President Elect” more than anyone in American history. Discuss.

PIMF

6 Cognito  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:12:14pm

re: #3 gmsc

Obama has done more to besmirch the “Office of the President Elect” more than anyone in American history. Discuss.

Such as?

I'm not saying his hasn't, I'm just looking for a catalogue.

7 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:13:21pm

I am off. One more set to play.

8 pat  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:18:34pm

I see that Mexico has announced a carbon cap. lol. Like no one has been to Mexico. /

9 Cognito  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:20:34pm

All righty then.

Y'all have a good night.

10 pat  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:21:07pm

I always knew I was a few electrons short of a volt. Underpowered.

11 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:21:31pm

re: #6 Cognito

Yeah- I'm still waiting for you to give the name of a President-elect more corrupt than 0bama.

12 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:21:32pm

re: #6 Cognito

Such as?

I'm not saying his hasn't, I'm just looking for a catalogue.

For one, he's the only one to have ever claimed the existence of an "Office of the President Elect"!

13 jhn1  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:23:37pm

Wait til they pass the UAW bailout.
And the WTO steps in, on behalf of every nonUS competing auto and truck mfg in the world.
and every nonUS competing auto replacement parts manufacturer (Mopar, Motorcraft, and AC Delco make parts for a wide range of competitor's vehicles)
oh, and every nonUS sales outlet that sells competing product (all types)

It won't be a piddling $15T

and they will be right (per the treaty forbidding subsidies)

14 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:26:14pm

re: #13 jhn1

We can start listening to something the WTO has to say after they have taken care of Airbus.

15 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:27:30pm

Night all. Too little time until the alarm clock tomorrow morning.

16 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:28:36pm

re: #15 CyanSnowHawk

Night all. Too little time until the alarm clock tomorrow morning.

Good night!

17 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:31:21pm

re: #12 gmsc

For one, he's the only one to have ever claimed the existence of an "Office of the President Elect"!

And had a seal made to put on his podium. And had a special .gov web site as President-elect. Special. As TFK would say. Special. Like that.

18 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:33:06pm

re: #17 Outrider

And had a seal made to put on his podium. And had a special .gov web site as President-elect. Special. As TFK would say. Special. Like that.

Maybe his typical white grandmother told him he was special!

19 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:33:36pm

Not seeing any electrons yet. Guess that means I can have one more drink.LOL

How are all of you night owls doing?

20 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:35:07pm

re: #19 Pvt Bin Jammin

Not seeing any electrons yet. Guess that means I can have one more drink.LOL

How are all of you night owls doing?

Please! The proper phraseology is "Office of Night Owl-elect"! The royal "we" are doing just fine!

//////////////

21 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:37:00pm

re: #13 jhn1

F*** the UAW.

22 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:37:40pm

re: #20 gmsc

Please! The proper phraseology is "Office of Night Owl-elect"! The royal "we" are doing just fine!

//////////////

We are not amused.

23 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:37:51pm

re: #13 jhn1

Wait til they pass the UAW bailout.
And the WTO steps in, on behalf of every nonUS competing auto and truck mfg in the world.
and every nonUS competing auto replacement parts manufacturer (Mopar, Motorcraft, and AC Delco make parts for a wide range of competitor's vehicles)
oh, and every nonUS sales outlet that sells competing product (all types)

It won't be a piddling $15T

and they will be right (per the treaty forbidding subsidies)

So, we may still be able to get our free Gore-approved Pelosi-mobiles?

24 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:37:51pm

re: #20 gmsc

Pardon me, your "highnesses". Glad you're doing royaly well.

25 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:38:24pm

re: #18 gmsc

Maybe his typical white grandmother told him he was special!

eh. She was probably watching the Jerry Lewis telethon at the time.

26 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:39:35pm

re: #22 The Other Les

We are not amused.

re: #24 Pvt Bin Jammin

Pardon me, your "highnesses". Glad you're doing royaly well.

Quick reminder: The slashies at the end of a message communicate I'm being facetious. The more slashies, the less seriously you should take the message itself.

27 Outrider  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:40:35pm

re: #22 The Other Les

We are not amused.

I, on the other hand, am chortling over the "we are not amused"

28 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:42:51pm

re: #26 gmsc

Quick reminder: The slashies at the end of a message communicate I'm being facetious. The more slashies, the less seriously you should take the message itself.

Must remember to use quotation marks or slashes.

29 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:42:53pm

re: #26 gmsc

I wasn't criticizing, forgot my ////////.
Glad your non- royal self is doing well as well. LOL

Slow here tonight.

30 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:44:17pm

re: #29 Pvt Bin Jammin

I wasn't criticizing, forgot my ////////.
Glad your non- royal self is doing well as well. LOL

Slow here tonight.

Less than 40 messages in, and I'm already schizophrenic!
;)

Yeah, it is slow. Maybe everyone is celebrating the busting of the auto bailout deal!

31 winston06  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:50:17pm

good nite folks

32 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:50:41pm

re: #30 gmsc

Less than 40 messages in, and I'm already schizophrenic!
;)

Yeah, it is slow. Maybe everyone is celebrating the busting of the auto bailout deal!

Maybe so. I was kinda glad about it. Problem is the next bailout proposal will probably be a sweeter deal than this, just like the big bail out. How much more of these bailouts can we take? If we could only break the union I think then it would be okay but it's not going to happen.

My poor Dad was a small town GM dealer. Worked like a dog, missed paydays, etc. Those union a**holes made a heck of a lot more than he did.

33 gmsc  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:56:28pm

re: #32 Pvt Bin Jammin

Maybe so. I was kinda glad about it. Problem is the next bailout proposal will probably be a sweeter deal than this, just like the big bail out. How much more of these bailouts can we take? If we could only break the union I think then it would be okay but it's not going to happen.

My poor Dad was a small town GM dealer. Worked like a dog, missed paydays, etc. Those union a**holes made a heck of a lot more than he did.

All we can do is take it one step at a time. The Democrats don't have a filibuster-proof majority, so those who have Republican senators can push them to filibuster.

34 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Dec 11, 2008 11:59:08pm

re: #33 gmsc

Thank God we don't yet have a filibuster proof congress.

35 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:00:24am

re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thank God we don't yet have a filibuster proof congress.

...and won't until at least through the 2010 election.

Being in Vegas, I'll do my part to get rid of Reid! (He's up for re-election in 2010).

36 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:09:31am

re: #35 gmsc

I thought you might be from Vegas. I grew up in "enrohtwaH" LOL That's where my dad had his business. It wasn't too bad in the beginning with all of the military there. He sold the Pontiac GTO's to the military, the Cadillacs to the casino bigwigs and Buicks to most of the town folks.

I cant stand Harry Reid. Met him once at a funeral for my dear republican friend, Jack, who was the owner/editor of our local newspaper. I was insulted that he was even there. His column was called "Jasper". Jack/Jasper was well-loved by Nevada republicans. He had the dirt on quite a few people in the state. I hope his daughters didn't throw away his files.

37 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:10:13am

**Crickets chirping**


HELLO?
Hello?
hello?

38 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:11:31am

Hooray....I can drink legally!

39 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:11:57am

re: #38 TheMatrix31

Hooray....I can drink legally!

Happy Birthday, Matrix!

You can also gamble - come visit Vegas!

40 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:13:01am

re: #38 TheMatrix31

Kinda loses it's novelty after the first few weeks....

/but think of all the electrons you can count!

41 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:13:20am

re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin

I thought you might be from Vegas. I grew up in "enrohtwaH" LOL That's where my dad had his business. It wasn't too bad in the beginning with all of the military there. He sold the Pontiac GTO's to the military, the Cadillacs to the casino bigwigs and Buicks to most of the town folks.

I cant stand Harry Reid. Met him once at a funeral for my dear republican friend, Jack, who was the owner/editor of our local newspaper. I was insulted that he was even there. His column was called "Jasper". Jack/Jasper was well-loved by Nevada republicans. He had the dirt on quite a few people in the state. I hope his daughters didn't throw away his files.

I never tagged him for someone who understood other people's sensibilities.

42 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:13:28am

re: #39 gmsc

Happy Birthday, Matrix!

You can also gamble - come visit Vegas!

I might in a couple of weeks actually. I was thinking of coming this weekend but a lot of my buddies still have their finals and whatnot.

43 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:14:23am

re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin


Sounds like quite an inheritance....

Not sure what I'd do with that sort of info if that were dropped into my lap.

44 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:15:31am

re: #38 TheMatrix31

Happy Birthday! Woo Hoo.

45 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:16:23am

re: #42 TheMatrix31

I might in a couple of weeks actually. I was thinking of coming this weekend but a lot of my buddies still have their finals and whatnot.

I like what some of the pit bosses say about IDing people: "When they're under 21, they behave like they hope their fake ID will pass muster. When they're over 21, they have trouble finding their ID, but have no problem with you asking. When they're exactly 21, they're showing their ID to total strangers the second they step into the casinos!"

46 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:17:26am

re: #45 gmsc

I like what some of the pit bosses say about IDing people: "When they're under 21, they behave like they hope their fake ID will pass muster. When they're over 21, they have trouble finding their ID, but have no problem with you asking. When they're exactly 21, they're showing their ID to total strangers the second they step into the casinos!"

LOL. That's hilarious. I figure I'll be annoyed with everyone asking me constantly.

47 shipper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:18:01am

I'd humbly like to announce that today I independently coined the term "Preselect Obama(TM)" ("preselected" by the media, of course).

If anyone is aware of another use of this term out there, feel free to let me know. I promise I haven't seen it elsewhere.

See my post on armchairgov.com. It's not my blog but I am a contributor. We are looking for more contributors to be Armchair Cabinet Members, by the way.

48 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:19:29am

re: #38 TheMatrix31

Hooray....I can drink legally!

As littleoldlady put it last night . . . Happy Birthday, Matrix!

49 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:21:37am

re: #38 TheMatrix31

Hooray....I can drink legally!

Happy Birthday Matrix.

50 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:22:26am

re: #43 Fenway_Nation

I actually told him if the girls didn't want them I'd love to take them. LOL I might be in hiding now, if I had them. We also were friends with the sheriff, and his sons, who was elected many times, I'd say, through the fifties, sixties and part of the seventies. (We had people coming into town with submachine guns when I was a teenager in the sixties and I didn't know it until later. ) He was a member of some law enforcement committee on organized crime.. OMG He has also passed away but he told me a few things and his kids have told me more.

51 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:27:10am

re: #48 gmsc

re: #49 Erik The Red

Happy Birthday Matrix.

As littleoldlady put it last night . . . Happy Birthday, Matrix!

Thanks guys! Yum, Marilyn Monroe.

52 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:28:28am

re: #51 TheMatrix31

re: #49 Erik The Red

Thanks guys! Yum, Marilyn Monroe.

A treat for you, and helps cheer us up after the loss of Bettie Page yesterday.

53 Steffan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:30:09am

re: #38 TheMatrix31

As Sheriff John used to sing:

Put another candle on my birthday cake,
We're gonna bake a birthday cake.
Put another candle on my birthday cake,
I'm another year old to-day.
I'm going to have a party with my birthday cake,
C'mon and taste some birthday cake.
Put another candle on my birthday cake,
I'm another year old to-day.
We'll have some pie and sandwiches, and chocolate ice cream too.
We'll sing and play the day away, and one more thing I'm gonna do ...
I'll blow out the candles on my birthday cake,
And when I do, a wish I'll make!
Put another candle on my birthday cake,
I'm another year old to-day.

I grew up watching him.

54 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:30:26am

re: #52 gmsc

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

55 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:31:33am

Hmm...I didn't know she ended up passing away. That's sad!

56 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:31:37am

*Gasp*

OOOOOoooooooooooooo...........!

57 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:34:25am

I was sad to hear about Bettie Page. All the GI's loved her back in the day. At least it seems she had a long life. RIP Bettie.

58 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:38:32am

This was sent to me in an e-mail recently. It's a slow night, so I figured this would perk up the conversation:

When in England , at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building' by George Bush.

He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'

You could have heard a pin drop.
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-

There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying 'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intended to do, bomb them?'

A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck.

We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?'

You could have heard a pin drop

-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-

A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, 'whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English.' He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?'

Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe it's because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'

You could have heard a pin drop.

-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE...

Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.

'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the customs officer asked sarcastically.

Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously ..

'Then you should know enough to have your passport ready.'

The American said, 'The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it.'

'Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !'

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained.

'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in '44 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to.'

You could have heard a pin drop.

-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-

59 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:39:52am

I just heard about Bettie Paige courtesey of #52 (I knew she was hospitalized earlier....

Bettie Paige set the standard that I compare most pop-culture beauties to. Needless to say, this latest batch of gutter skanks, spoiled whores and f*cked up headcases falls woefully short of that standard.

Truly the end of an era...

60 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:42:07am

re: #59 Fenway_Nation

I just heard about Bettie Paige courtesey of #52 (I knew she was hospitalized earlier....

Bettie Paige set the standard that I compare most pop-culture beauties to. Needless to say, this latest batch of gutter skanks, spoiled whores and f*cked up headcases falls woefully short of that standard.

Truly the end of an era...

That's because Bettie was beautiful inside, beautiful in attitude AND beautiful in looks!

The ones these days barely achieve it in looks!

61 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:45:46am

I just watched this and am laughing my ass off.

Batman, Turkey

62 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:47:31am

re: #6 Cognito

Such as?

I'm not saying his hasn't, I'm just looking for a catalogue.

use a colonoscopy set: you'll be able to see where you head is and video tape it too.

63 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:49:15am

re: #61 TheMatrix31

I just watched this and am laughing my ass off.

Batman, Turkey

That's great! Updinged and favorited!

64 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:49:34am

re: #58 gmsc

I put that in my favorites and I wish I could give it more than one plus.

I'd better fade out of LGF now. I was tired when I started posting. LOL I think I see an electron, not sure though.

PS Get rid of Harry.

65 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:50:13am

re: #62 redc1c4

use a colonoscopy set: you'll be able to see where you head is and video tape it too.

Come on red tell us how you really feel/

66 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:51:06am

re: #62 redc1c4

use a colonoscopy set: you'll be able to see where you head is and video tape it too.

LMAO.

67 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:55:24am

re: #64 Pvt Bin Jammin

I put that in my favorites and I wish I could give it more than one plus.

I'd better fade out of LGF now. I was tired when I started posting. LOL I think I see an electron, not sure though.

PS Get rid of Harry.

Thanks. Good night, and I'll do my part to get rid of him!

68 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:55:28am

re: #25 Outrider

if you read this, and you have not already updinged #25, please do so.

69 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 12:55:50am

re: #62 redc1c4

use a colonoscopy set: you'll be able to see where you head is and video tape it too.

Welcome, red!

70 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:00:39am

re: #65 Erik The Red

Come on red tell us how you really feel/

sorry: i battle carry Sabot, so you get what you get.

/like Canister would be any prettier at this range..... %-)

71 SurferDoc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:02:16am

re: #17 Outrider

And had a seal made to put on his podium. And had a special .gov web site as President-elect. Special. As TFK would say. Special. Like that.

What a dick. Who the hell does stuff like that?

72 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:02:57am

re: #63 gmsc

I just remembered a little old book , and I think it is called the "Green Felt Jungle". It is suppossdly based on fact.

73 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:04:58am

re: #71 SurferDoc

Did he really say something about 'rebooting' America's image in the world/M.E.?

/F*cking community organizers...

74 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:05:37am

re: #71 SurferDoc

What a dick. Who the hell does stuff like that?

a dick.....

75 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:06:24am

re: #69 gmsc

Welcome, red!

/single malt all around!

76 SurferDoc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:06:35am

I'd reboot America's image, too. I'd put our boot up their asses.

77 mean Gene  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:08:22am

Fox News broke a story that Rahm Emanuel had been taped talking to Gov. Blagojevich about 0bama's replacement.
Uh oh.
That explains all the careful parsing by ''the 0ne.''
Link to video:
[Link: www.myfoxchicago.com...]

78 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:09:47am

re: #76 SurferDoc

I'd reboot America's image, too. I'd put our boot up their asses.

WHOOOOOAHHHHHHHHH!

(and after that we'd kick ass? %-)

79 SurferDoc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:13:01am

Every time I read or hear about "our image arboad" or "world opinion" I want the grab the guy by the neck and shake him until the shit falls out of his head.

80 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:14:15am

re: #72 Pvt Bin Jammin

I just remembered a little old book , and I think it is called the "Green Felt Jungle". It is suppossdly based on fact.

It would have to be. You really can't make stuff up about Las Vegas.

81 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:14:50am

Evening all. Just checking in, don't know how long I will last. I am truly in grief at the knowledge of Betti Page passing, I support all our troops in their duty. And of course laughing my ass off at the antics in Chicago. Have I missed anything?

/raises single malt in toast to the best pin up girl ever!

82 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:17:46am

re: #81 BlueCanuck

raises single malt in toast to the best pin up girl ever!

I'll drink to that!

83 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:18:08am

re: #81 BlueCanuck

Evening all. Just checking in, don't know how long I will last. I am truly in grief at the knowledge of Betti Page passing, I support all our troops in their duty. And of course laughing my ass off at the antics in Chicago. Have I missed anything?

/raises single malt in toast to the best pin up girl ever!

Click on #61, and I'd say you're pretty well caught up!

84 Raven1  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:20:10am

Speaking of electricity, We are having a severe ice storm here in central Massachusetts. The sound of crashing tree limbs roused me from slumber. Worcester Airport, about a mile from me has lost electricity, as have 73 thousand residents of central Massachusetts. I hope my tiny particle electrons are not stopped, then I would not be able to read the best blog on the internet!

85 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:22:49am

re: #79 SurferDoc

Every time I read or hear about "our image arboad" or "world opinion" I want the grab the guy by the neck and shake him until the shit falls out of his head.

countries don't have friends: they have intersts....

i don't want America to be loved so much as it is to be held in awe.

we need to be the shining city on the hill that everyone knows they can get to, should they wish, and where they will always be welcome to join and embrace the push to tomorrow, but that they NEVER want to fuck with, no matter how strident their death wish, because we will do a serious biblical damn damn on their heads if they are *that* stupid.

86 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:25:18am

re: #84 Raven1

Speaking of electricity, We are having a severe ice storm here in central Massachusetts. The sound of crashing tree limbs roused me from slumber. Worcester Airport, about a mile from me has lost electricity, as have 73 thousand residents of central Massachusetts. I hope my tiny particle electrons are not stopped, then I would not be able to read the best blog on the internet!

On a slightly smaller scale, earlier this week here in Vegas, the city was doing some sewer repairs right near the DMV (insert joke here).

At one point, they were doing some cutting, and they cut through some wires! The wires were phone and high-speed data wires! Not only did 20,000 people lose phone service, but the DMV had to shut down for 3 days because their computers had no way to connect with the state system for filing, verification, and so on!

87 SurferDoc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:27:18am

re: #85 redc1c4

countries don't have friends: they have intersts....

i don't want America to be loved so much as it is to be held in awe.

we need to be the shining city on the hill that everyone knows they can get to, should they wish, and where they will always be welcome to join and embrace the push to tomorrow, but that they NEVER want to fuck with, no matter how strident their death wish, because we will do a serious biblical damn damn on their heads if they are *that* stupid.

Amen and BOOM!

88 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:27:57am

re: #83 gmsc

Well I will say this much about turks, they are better soldiers than greeks. But I will still be on the greeks side due to the way things are now going over there.

/but they brew a mean beer.
//used to call it bonus beer.

89 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:29:10am

re: #85 redc1c4

Alas, I only have but one ding to give.

/and you got it. HoooRAhhh

91 Crux Australis  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:31:14am

re: #85 redc1c4

countries don't have friends: they have intersts....

i don't want America to be loved so much as it is to be held in awe.

we need to be the shining city on the hill that everyone knows they can get to, should they wish, and where they will always be welcome to join and embrace the push to tomorrow, but that they NEVER want to fuck with, no matter how strident their death wish, because we will do a serious biblical damn damn on their heads if they are *that* stupid.

Australia has no better friend in the world than the US. Ignore these lefty loonies.

92 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:33:23am

re: #91 Crux Australis

Australia has no better friend in the world than the US. Ignore these lefty loonies.

It's what we do best.....

/either that or belittle them

93 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:35:11am

re: #90 gmsc

Here's the new logo for those auto companies requesting a bailout!

I like this on also.The Bailout

94 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:35:22am

re: #91 Crux Australis

Australia has no better friend in the world than the US. Ignore these lefty loonies.

it's us against them. po' them..... should we give a warning? %-)

95 Raven1  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:35:26am

re: #86 gmsc

I'm sure the DMV workers enjoyed the time off, but I wouldn't want to have to wait in those lines when they reopened!

96 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:37:34am

re: #93 Erik The Red

I like this on also.The Bailout

I can just imagine a government-mandated, politically correct car that they'd be required to make if they did get the bailout - The Fedsel!

97 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:37:41am

re: #94 redc1c4

it's us against them. po' them..... should we give a warning? %-)

Hell no. Did they ever give us one?

98 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:39:28am

re: #95 Raven1

I'm sure the DMV workers enjoyed the time off, but I wouldn't want to have to wait in those lines when they reopened!

The lines were restored about 15 minutes before their normal closing time. So, not only do they not open on a Friday, they have to re-open on a Saturday!

You've got the long lines of a regular Saturday, plus lines from 3 days worth of delayed people!

99 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:40:05am

re: #93 Erik The Red

I like this on also.The Bailout

even better The Pelosi GT!

100 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:41:08am

I can't make it another 20 minutes for fruitcup, so I'm going to head off to sleep now.

If newly-21 birthday lizard Matrix is still here, give my fruitcup to him as a b-day present!

101 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:41:47am

re: #100 gmsc


With the candles and everything?

102 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:42:05am

re: #98 gmsc

The lines were restored about 15 minutes before their normal closing time. So, not only do they not open on a Friday, they have to re-open on a Saturday!

You've got the long lines of a regular Saturday, plus lines from 3 days worth of delayed people!

here in the PRC, at least most of your stuff can be done at the Auto Club....

/makes every dime of the membership worthwhile for that alone.

103 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:42:15am

re: #101 Fenway_Nation

With the candles and everything?

And extra red enhancements.

104 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:42:51am

re: #100 gmsc

I can't make it another 20 minutes for fruitcup, so I'm going to head off to sleep now.

If newly-21 birthday lizard Matrix is still here, give my fruitcup to him as a b-day present!

I'm still here. Gracious you are! Good night and thanks for the wishes.

105 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:43:04am

re: #100 gmsc

I can't make it another 20 minutes for fruitcup, so I'm going to head off to sleep now.

If newly-21 birthday lizard Matrix is still here, give my fruitcup to him as a b-day present!

we'll dose it so he never forgets/remembers........

/all on you. %-)

106 gmsc  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:43:09am

re: #101 Fenway_Nation

With the candles and everything?

Yes . . .

re: #103 BlueCanuck

And extra red enhancements.

. . . and yes!


Good night, all! Enjoy the big 21, Matrix!

107 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:45:39am

re: #104 TheMatrix31

I'm still here. Gracious you are! Good night and thanks for the wishes.

lucky you... i'm pretty sure i had a good time on my 21st.....

or so i was told.

/white smoke

108 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:45:44am

re: #104 TheMatrix31

Ah, you poor young soul. If you just knew what you were in for. . . . .


/like red, experienced.

109 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:46:17am

re: #107 redc1c4

I spent my 21st confined to barracks. Bastards. . . . .

110 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:48:50am

re: #109 BlueCanuck

I spent my 21st confined to barracks. Bastards. . . . .

And I'm going to spend my 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th confined to Barack.

111 rightside  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:50:05am

Morning Lizards!

112 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:51:25am

re: #110 TheMatrix31

Kudoos, well played young one.

/crap, just realized that you were still in diapers way back when.

113 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:54:24am

re: #112 BlueCanuck

Kudoos, well played young one.

/crap, just realized that you were still in diapers way back when.

I'm out there, Jerry!

114 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:55:55am

re: #110 TheMatrix31

And I'm going to spend my 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th confined to Barack.

sucks to be us...... DRINK!

115 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:56:57am

Happy Birthday Matrix!

116 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:57:41am

re: #112 BlueCanuck

Kudoos, well played young one.

/crap, just realized that you were still in diapers way back when.

he wasn't even inflicted as far back as i'm looking, grasshopper.

/fngs..... %-)

117 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 1:58:47am

re: #115 Sharmuta

Happy Birthday Matrix!

you have to give him a spanking....

/in the Storm Trooper boots

118 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™ and Happy Birthday, Matrix! :-)

Fruitcup (and a side of birthday cake!) is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

119 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:00:10am

Morning lol. Thanks for fruitcup.

120 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:00:39am

Mmmm.....fruitcup!

121 Panhandler  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:01:20am

IZ fruitcup and cake! Yay! Tank yew lol. {lol}

122 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:01:24am

We ♥ Fruitcup!

123 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:01:51am

Wooo hooo, fruitcup and cake. It is a good day. Good morning littleoldlady.

124 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:02:08am

re: #118 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™ and Happy Birthday, Matrix! :-)

Fruitcup (and a side of birthday cake!) is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

more stuff to ferment! W00000000000000000000000o0T!1!

125 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:02:29am

re: #115 Sharmuta

Happy Birthday Matrix!

Thanks! re: #117 redc1c4

you have to give him a spanking....

/in the Storm Trooper boots

Hey hey....I ain't into that kinky stuff!

re: #118 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™ and Happy Birthday, Matrix! :-)

Fruitcup (and a side of birthday cake!) is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

Wow, I feel special. Thanks :)

126 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:03:27am

Erik! :-) Fenway! BlueCanuck! :-) Sharmuta! :-) red! :-) rightside! :-) Panhandler! :-)

... I'm afraid this is a drive-by fruiting (and caking) :-(

127 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:03:32am

re: #116 redc1c4

I may be an FNG to you, but everyone was an FNG to some one.

/toast

128 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:03:42am

Does any know what the quickest and fewest posts someone has gotten to-1000 karma? Only asking because Fiat_lux has got to be close.

129 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:04:20am

re: #117 redc1c4

you have to give him a spanking....

/in the Storm Trooper boots

I be bizee spankin trollz downstairz

130 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:04:27am

re: #126 littleoldlady

No prob, I am soon to bed myself.

/drivebys are better then nothing

131 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:04:33am

Karma: -866

fiat_lux

(Logged in)
Registered since: Nov 21, 2008 at 5:16 pm
No. of comments posted: 367
No. of links posted: 0

132 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:04:52am

re: #126 littleoldlady

Aww....you're not gonna stick around for some of my witty banter?

/I wouldn't either.

133 Panhandler  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:05:28am

re: #125 TheMatrix31
Hey hey....I ain't into that kinky stuff!

You haven't seen the boots, they special, for a special guy.

134 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:05:33am

re: #128 Erik The Red

Well none I know that weren't banned. . . . . . .

/just doesn't know when to shut up

135 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:06:47am

re: #133 Panhandler

Hey hey....I ain't into that kinky stuff!

You haven't seen the boots, they special, for a special guy.

Are they made for walkin?

136 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:09:07am

re: #134 BlueCanuck

Well none I know that weren't banned. . . . . . .

/just doesn't know when to shut up

He was fun at first but now it's the same rehashed bullshit. Salamantis and Sharmuta do a great job on him. Chew toy for me is old. Time maybe for him just to go away.

137 rightside  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:09:19am

{lol} thanks as always!

138 Panhandler  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:10:22am

re: #135 TheMatrix31

Are they made for walkin?

You betcha.

139 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:10:43am

re: #127 BlueCanuck

I may be an FNG to you, but everyone was an FNG to some one.

/toast

and yet the Infantry is eternal.....

"Shies the name, Shines the name, of Rodger Young..."

140 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:12:12am

re: #139 redc1c4

and yet the Infantry is eternal.....

"Shies the name, Shines the name, of Rodger Young..."

Come on you apes, do you want to live forever?

/some sargeant WW1

141 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:12:44am

And the book was done a major disservice by the movie.

142 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:12:50am

re: #136 Erik The Red


A thought just occured to me with you being in South Africa and all.....

Does an Executive Outcomes/Sandline Int'l-type outfit have anything resembling a Navy? Maybe they could be hired to clean up some areas along the Somali coast.....

/standard mercenaries/Private Military Contractors are eeeeeeevil disclaimer.

143 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:13:26am

re: #125 TheMatrix31

Wow, I feel special. Thanks :)

you have to give him a spanking....

/in the Storm Trooper boots

Hey hey....I ain't into that kinky stuff!

yes you are, you're just not old enough to know it yet.....

consider this part of the advanced course.

/damn newbies

144 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:14:15am

re: #140 BlueCanuck

Come on you apes, do you want to live forever?

/some sargeant WW1 10,000 BC

145 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:15:42am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

A thought just occured to me with you being in South Africa and all.....

Does an Executive Outcomes/Sandline Int'l-type outfit have anything resembling a Navy? Maybe they could be hired to clean up some areas along the Somali coast.....

/standard mercenaries/Private Military Contractors are eeeeeeevil disclaimer.

given the recent legal environment, who would want to take on the contract, knowing full well your patrons would declare you pirates at any time?

146 Panhandler  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:16:44am

re: #144 redc1c4
Great, red is trying to get another ID thread going.

147 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:17:10am

re: #135 TheMatrix31

Are they made for walkin?

They're made for ass kicking. And Birthday Spankings.

148 hans ze beeman  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:17:59am

What's wrong with Britain? School choir forced to pull out of Christmas concert as carols were 'too religious'

This winter festival frenzy is not only ludicrous but dangerous.

149 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:18:17am

re: #146 Panhandler

Nah, it's standard military knowledge. All sargeants/D.I.s aren't born, they're hatched.

150 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:19:03am

re: #147 Sharmuta

They're made for ass kicking. And Birthday Spankings.

and lots of KoolWhip!

/chocolate sauce is optional.

151 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:20:50am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

A thought just occured to me with you being in South Africa and all.....

Does an Executive Outcomes/Sandline Int'l-type outfit have anything resembling a Navy? Maybe they could be hired to clean up some areas along the Somali coast.....

/standard mercenaries/Private Military Contractors are eeeeeeevil disclaimer.

iirc any S.African citizen found to be a member of any mercenary/para military organization is seen has having committed treason. So if there is it is very huss huss and would not be based here.

152 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:20:52am

re: #149 BlueCanuck

Nah, it's standard military knowledge. All sargeants/D.I.s aren't born, they'rehatched inflicted.

153 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:22:00am

re: #151 Erik The Red

iirc any S.African citizen found to be a member of any mercenary/para military organization is seen has having committed treason. So if there is it is very huss huss and would not be based here.

given the local history, that isn't surprising......

154 Panhandler  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:22:45am

re: #149 BlueCanuck

Nah, it's standard military knowledge. All sargeants/D.I.s aren't born, they're hatched.

I withdraw my statement then, although I had always thought they were cloned from a Borg template.

155 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:23:47am

re: #150 redc1c4

and lots of KoolWhip!

/chocolate sauce is optional.

Nothin' wrong with whipped cream!

156 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:25:51am

Well it's been a slice. See ya all later. And best wishes Matrix. Don't do anything that red wouldn't.

/and yeah, that leaves the field wide open.
//white smoke

157 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:27:31am

re: #155 TheMatrix31

Nothin' wrong with whipped cream!

Wrong!

158 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:27:46am

Bye, Blue!

159 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:28:23am

re: #155 TheMatrix31

Nothin' wrong with whipped cream!

just didn't think you youngin's even knew what that was......

/tezach me to try & be hip. %-)

160 Panhandler  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:28:29am

re: #155 TheMatrix31

Nothin' wrong with whipped cream!

Hmmm, Likes whipped cream, doesn't like boots, ambivalent about chocolate sauce. Finals really got to you didn't they?

161 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:32:28am

re: #151 Erik The Red

Given South Africa's recent history, I'm not surprised that there'd be some moral objection to mercenaries moving into soverign nations and taking over- but the cynic in me also wonders how much of that was a sort of safety mechanism for the likes of Cholera....what Cholera? Robert Mugabe.

Also, given some of South Africa's more recent post-Apartheid past I gotta wonder who would be in more trouble if caught serving in a foreign (or private) armed group....the Afrikaaner who went to Sierra Leone and fought some teen-age rebels for some quick cash or the Cape Malay who decides to join the Taliban and try and drive the infidels out of Afghanistan.

162 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:35:35am

re: #160 Panhandler

Hmmm, Likes whipped cream, doesn't like boots, ambivalent about chocolate sauce. Finals really got to you didn't they?

LOL. I'm not a chocolate guy. Sacrilege, I know.

Finals got to me in that now that they're over, my brain is completely dead.

163 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:37:03am

re: #161 Fenway_Nation

Given South Africa's recent history, I'm not surprised that there'd be some moral objection to mercenaries moving into soverign nations and taking over- but the cynic in me also wonders how much of that was a sort of safety mechanism for the likes of Cholera....what Cholera? Robert Mugabe.

Also, given some of South Africa's more recent post-Apartheid past I gotta wonder who would be in more trouble if caught serving in a foreign (or private) armed group....the Afrikaaner who went to Sierra Leone and fought some teen-age rebels for some quick cash or the Cape Malay who decides to join the Taliban and try and drive the infidels out of Afghanistan.

You have hit that on the head. It was meant for the Afrikaaner's and anyone that was in the ols S.A army.

164 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:39:12am

re: #163 Erik The Red

What's your connection with S.Africa? Or do I need to ask. Lizards are the most informed bunch of reptiles that I have come across.

165 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:39:46am

re: #164 Erik The Red

What's your connection with S.Africa? Or do I need to ask. Lizards are the most informed bunch of reptiles that I have come across.

Post meant for you Fenway.

166 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:40:03am

hasta, y'all......

l*4

167 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:40:34am

re: #166 redc1c4

hasta, y'all......

l*4

later red.

168 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:42:23am

re: #163 Erik The Red

I suspect alot of seemingly benign or conciliatory legislation written up by the ANC over the last 15 years is A) rather punitive upon closer examination and B) directed primarily at Afrikaaners (and probably blacks in other political parties).....

169 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:50:05am

re: #164 Erik The Red

Not much, really. Never set foot in SA, but I like to keep myself informed on the history of any country I'm seriously interested in visiting....just in case it will come in handy.

/There's also the whole Blue Train deal.

170 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:52:55am

re: #168 Fenway_Nation

I suspect alot of seemingly benign or conciliatory legislation written up by the ANC over the last 15 years is A) rather punitive upon closer examination and B) directed primarily at Afrikaner's (and probably blacks in other political parties).....

Both correct. The whites in this country represent such a small minority that almost all legislation that has been passes since 1994 has been made to "right the wrongs of the past" and not for what is right and just to make S.Africa a true power house of Africa. One of the main reasons I am returning next year is I do not see this country rising above the hated that exists between black and white and the total entitlement factor that the majority of the population have. It can not be met. Unknown future doesn't look good for my young girls.

171 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:56:20am

Colin Powell Speaks Out for the GOPMorning Lizards

Now Colin Powell thinks we are Neanderthals if we listen to Limbaugh?

172 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:57:53am

Wow that linking thing looks messy---

First time I linked ,next time it won't look so obvious---

173 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 2:57:54am

re: #170 Erik The Red

That really is too bad. Once SA is gone, I guess you can pretty much write off the whole continent (most have already).

174 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:07:13am

Good Morning LGF.
Watch for this MSM Headline:
UAW and GOP conspire to bring down GM and Chrysler.
////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////

175 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:07:49am

Morning all.
Cholesterol overload. If it were made with turkey bacon, would it be kosher?

176 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:10:29am

Good morning Lizard Nation.

177 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:12:56am

Drop, baby, drop!

/Spot price for gold is down about $10 an ounce this morning- other commodities look like they're following suit. Otherwise it sounds like I'm rooting for a little flare off of Pedroia's bat to find that little 'Bermuda Triangle' in the outfied at Fenway.

178 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:16:40am

re: #171 summergurl

Colin Powell Speaks Out for the GOPMorning Lizards

Now Colin Powell thinks we are Neanderthals if we listen to Limbaugh?

Powell really just needs to declare himself a Democrat & cease advising the Republican Party. He deserted the Party for Obama, which waas a clear racial preference. He knows a lot about Limbaugh progrm content , so either he himself listens or he is speculating.

179 Salamantis  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:20:23am

I'm really proud of this post. It took me some time and effort to compose it. Can y'all please give it a look-see?

It's on the previous EVO thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

180 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:33:46am

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

TIA.

181 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:34:57am

re: #180 Bumr50

TIA.

? Bumr

182 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:37:02am

re: #178 opnion

Do you think a career without any private sector experience plays into this?

If all you know is public service, it's easy to view things like this. That's another palpable danger of Obama's "public service" agenda.

183 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:38:00am

re: #181 Erik The Red

This Is Africa. It was a line borrowed from the movie "Blood Diamonds," expressing the chaos on the continent.

184 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:39:39am

re: #172 summergurl

Yeah, I did the same thing. Just highlight a linking word.

185 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:44:02am

re: #182 Bumr50

Do you think a career without any private sector experience plays into this?

If all you know is public service, it's easy to view things like this. That's another palpable danger of Obama's "public service" agenda.


That's an interesting observation & could have something to do with Powell's views. But as a military man , he understands loyalty.
Nobody expects "blind" loyalty, but the Republican party today is not very different than the one he served in. The only real difference that I can see is that the Democrat nominee was more racially attractive to him & he is now rationalizing.

186 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:46:11am

re: #179 Salamantis

Evolutionary theorists would approve of none of this. They would say to let them all be born, and cared for, and to let environmental selection sort them out, and that would be best for the species as a whole.

Why would a scientist take any such positions, unless he/she had an over-arching political, economic, racial or religious agenda?

187 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:52:23am

Specter voted for the bailout. I don't know what's worse, having him in there and waiting for him to leave or thinking about Chris Matthews in his place.

I hate PA.

188 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:56:24am

re: #187 Bumr50

Specter voted for the bailout. I don't know what's worse, having him in there and waiting for him to leave or thinking about Chris Matthews in his place.

I hate PA.

Hey you could be living in NJ! And take it from one who does, it ain't no garden state?

189 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:56:37am

FNC is now talking about how the Left thinks that Caroline Kennedy is fit to be a U.S Senator while they thought that a sitting Governor, Sarah Palin did not have enough experience to be VP.

190 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:57:14am

re: #189 opnion

FNC is now talking about how the Left thinks that Caroline Kennedy is fit to be a U.S Senator while they thought that a sitting Governor, Sarah Palin did not have enough experience to be VP.

Well Palin didn't come from Royal Blood after all?
/

191 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:57:41am

re: #188 Nevergiveup

Hey you could be living in NJ! And take it from one who does, it ain't no garden state?

Move to Illinois, our politics are clean.

192 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:58:22am

re: #190 Nevergiveup

Well Palin didn't come from Royal Blood after all?
/

And that apparently makes all the difference.

193 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 3:59:51am

re: #188 Nevergiveup

Hey you could be living in NJ! And take it from one who does, it ain't no garden state?

Which part may I ask? I'm in a relatively conservative area in central NJ.

194 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:00:05am

Final roll call vote on the UAW bailout
By Michelle Malkin • December 12, 2008 12:11 AM

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

The usual list of Republican suspects who did vote for it!

195 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:00:33am

re: #193 NYCHardhat

Which part may I ask? I'm in a relatively conservative area in central NJ.

Bergen County.

196 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:00:36am

Meanwhile, over at Politico, the GOP continues it's battle to stay alive.

The left should be easier to defeat in the future if they persist in their attempts to portray everything that occurs in government as a referendum on the viability of the Republican party.

197 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:02:53am

re: #194 Nevergiveup

Final roll call vote on the UAW bailout
By Michelle Malkin • December 12, 2008 12:11 AM

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

The usual list of Republican suspects who did vote for it!

Ok. They must go now.

The 10 pro-bailout Republicans:

Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Collins (R-ME)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Lugar (R-IN)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

198 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:02:56am

re: #196 Bumr50

Meanwhile, over at Politico, the GOP continues it's battle to stay alive.

The left should be easier to defeat in the future if they persist in their attempts to portray everything that occurs in government as a referendum on the viability of the Republican party.

If we don't fight for our principals we might as well be democrats.

199 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:03:31am

Local news just said that Dems are going to the White House in an attempt to get Bush to authorize allocation of $15 billion from the original Big Bailout for the Big3.

200 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:04:07am

re: #197 NYCHardhat

Well doesn't Domenici (R-NM) have Alzheimer's?

201 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:04:18am

re: #189 opnion

FNC is now talking about how the Left thinks that Caroline Kennedy is fit to be a U.S Senator while they thought that a sitting Governor, Sarah Palin did not have enough experience to be VP.

They also thought that a guy with barely two years of experience in the Senate who only occasionally showed up (and usually just voted "I'm here!" when he did make it in) could handle the job of President.

Senator Caroline Kennedy? You know somebody is already thinking President Kennedy

202 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:05:11am

re: #200 Nevergiveup

Specter won't be there much longer.

203 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:06:38am

re: #200 Nevergiveup

Well doesn't Domenici (R-NM) have Alzheimer's?

Who are you?/

204 jetpilot1101  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:07:26am

Good morning Lizards. Market is going to take a huge hit today. Unions wouldn't concede and GM looks like its headed for BK and I don't mean Burger King.

205 gregg  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:07:46am

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bush do an end around and have Paulson release funds from the TARP to cover the $15 billion auto bailout.

206 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:08:00am

re: #203 NYCHardhat

Who are you?/

A very politically incorrect individual.

207 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:08:57am

re: #204 jetpilot1101

Good morning Lizards. Market is going to take a huge hit today. Unions wouldn't concede and GM looks like its headed for BK and I don't mean Burger King.

I would think the markets might actually like since that means the UAW will getting the shaft, and I don't mean the movie.

208 jetpilot1101  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:09:21am

re: #205 gregg

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bush do an end around and have Paulson release funds from the TARP to cover the $15 billion auto bailout.

I wouldn't be surprised either. He is shamelessly trying to try and be the rescuer of the economy. reminds me of Clinton desperately trying to salvage a "legacy" in the final days of his presidency.

209 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:09:57am

re: #206 Nevergiveup

A very politically incorrect individual.

Likewise neighbor.

210 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:10:15am

re: #189 opnion

FNC is now talking about how the Left thinks that Caroline Kennedy is fit to be a U.S Senator while they thought that a sitting Governor, Sarah Palin did not have enough experience to be VP.


And you're surprised?

211 jetpilot1101  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:06am

re: #207 Nevergiveup

I would think the markets might actually like since that means the UAW will getting the shaft, and I don't mean the movie.

Futures down 220 last check. Wall street isn't going to like it regardless of the unions getting the fid (and I don't mean the nautical tool) because this has huge ramifications on the rest of the economy.

212 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:21am

re: #209 NYCHardhat

Likewise neighbor.

We should really have a NJ Lizards get together. Something with alot of cholesterol and booze.

213 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:44am

re: #212 Nevergiveup

We should really have a NJ Lizards get together. Something with alot of cholesterol and booze.

I am sooooo down.

214 Susan Lee  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:50am

Charles; I enjoy immensely your posts about the New Earth Creationists vs. Evolution... and would like to introduce you to a website by an astronomer, Hugh Ross, who is harmonizing? Biblical Creation and Evolution - successfully, I think. Anyway, for your reading and thinking pleasure; [Link: www.reasons.org...]

Kind regards, Susan Lee

215 jetpilot1101  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:11:58am

re: #212 Nevergiveup

We should really have a NJ Lizards get together. Something with alot of cholesterol and booze.

I would love to see the moonbat protests at that event.

216 monkeytime  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:12:21am

Obama Knew! Obama Knew!

eh...it'll never catch on.

217 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:12:53am

re: #194 Nevergiveup

Final roll call vote on the UAW bailout
By Michelle Malkin • December 12, 2008 12:11 AM

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

The usual list of Republican suspects who did vote for it!

Chambliss (R-GA) votes no. Thank goodness the R's held the line in the runoff!

Coleman (R-MN) votes no - and hopefully there will continue to be a no vote from that seat. I think they are still searching the trunks and wheel wells of Minnesota automobiles.

John McCain (R-AZ) votes no. Finally grow a pair, John? A tad late, isn't it?

Lindsey Graham (R-SC) get off your ass and do your job! I didn't vote for you four years ago for you to sit on your ass! (And I won't vote for you again, after that immigration fiasco.)

218 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:13:28am

re: #215 jetpilot1101

I would love to see the moonbat protests at that event.

I will wear my homemade "Peace Through Superior Firepower" T-shirt. Should cause some trouble. It did on my college campus.

219 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:13:32am

re: #201 SteveC

They also thought that a guy with barely two years of experience in the Senate who only occasionally showed up (and usually just voted "I'm here!" when he did make it in) could handle the job of President.

Senator Caroline Kennedy? You know somebody is already thinking President Kennedy


Of course - they see her as the logical opposition to Palin. Can you imagine that scenario?

220 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:13:36am

re: #215 jetpilot1101

I would love to see the moonbat protests at that event.

And all woman lizards have to wear fur coats.

221 jetpilot1101  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:14:31am

re: #220 Nevergiveup

And all woman lizards have to wear fur coats.

And everyone has to show up in the biggest SUV possible.

222 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:15:13am

Good night. I'll catch y'all during the day.

223 96RoadKing  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:15:35am

Mornin' Lizards!

-3F here this morning. Up where Will Steger lives (Ely, MN), it's -26F. Actual temperature, no wind chill.

Love that Global Warming!

224 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:15:38am

Good morning

Look for the market to plummet today as the auto bailout failed in the Senate.


The situation boils down to a giant game of chicken. In order for the the auto companies to become competitive, they have to give back more than they have in labor costs and benefits. They don't want to. So they figure if they can just get a bridge loan to carry them till Obama is in, they are home free. The Senate Republicans said no, so the money is not coming from Congress.

Therefore, it gets thrown in the lap of the White House with the UAW and he Dem's betting that Bush will not want to leave the White House with these two bankruptcies on his shoulders.

We are eyeball to eyeball and the UAW figures Bush will blink.

225 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:15:47am

re: #220 Nevergiveup

And all woman lizards have to wear fur coats.

Can I wear my leather pants?

226 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:16:35am

re: #207 Nevergiveup

I would think the markets might actually like since that means the UAW will getting the shaft, and I don't mean the movie.

No one understands Shaft but his woman.

227 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:16:38am

re: #225 MandyManners

Can I wear my leather pants?

YES! I would love to see that.

228 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:16:45am

re: #207 Nevergiveup

I would think the markets might actually like since that means the UAW will getting the shaft, and I don't mean the movie.


If the Markets end up today I hope Reid chokes on the "dread" he said he will feel looking at Wall Street this morning.

229 gregg  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:16:45am

I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?

230 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:17:08am

re: #229 gregg

I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?

Not enough earmarks?

231 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:17:29am

re: #221 jetpilot1101

And everyone has to show up in the biggest SUV possible.

Good point.

232 bp sf  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:17:39am

NJ LGF Meetup?

How's about Rutt's Hut in Clifton? Rippers and beers!

233 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:18:05am

re: #225 MandyManners

Can I wear my leather pants?

If you do, drinks are on me!

234 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:18:12am

re: #232 bp sf

NJ LGF Meetup?

How's about Rutt's Hut in Clifton? Rippers and beers!

Colorado Cafe in Watchung?

235 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:18:15am

Does anyone think that a campaign against labor unions would be successful at a grassroots level?
Say Union No?

Does anyone think that there are enough people that understand?

Maybe I'm just bitter, being from Pittsburgh where questioning ANYTHING the union does is something one does not do in mixed company without fear of repercussions.

236 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:18:45am

re: #229 gregg

I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?

So why is he saying he's going to "dread" looking at Wall Street today?

237 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:19:30am

re: #217 SteveC

Chambliss (R-GA) votes no. Thank goodness the R's held the line in the runoff!

Coleman (R-MN) votes no - and hopefully there will continue to be a no vote from that seat. I think they are still searching the trunks and wheel wells of Minnesota automobiles.

John McCain (R-AZ) votes no. Finally grow a pair, John? A tad late, isn't it?

Lindsey Graham (R-SC) get off your ass and do your job! I didn't vote for you four years ago for you to sit on your ass! (And I won't vote for you again, after that immigration fiasco.)


Saxby is getting alot of heat down here to toe the party line - Palin's whirlwind Georgia tour saved his behind and he knows it.

238 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:19:42am

re: #232 bp sf

Is a ripper a deep fried sausage? I've never had, but fantasize. With horseradish mustard.

239 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:20:15am

re: #224 3 wood

We are eyeball to eyeball and the UAW figures Bush will blink.

And I get the feeling that if I bet $5 on the UAW I'd win. :(

240 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:20:38am

re: #237 summergurl

Saxby is getting alot of heat down here to toe the party line - Palin's whirlwind Georgia tour saved his behind and he knows it.

And President Bush saved Spector's once and we see how grateful that SOB was!

241 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:21:42am

On the Blago - Obama front.

Obama is doing everything he can to distance himself from Blagojevich and the filthy Chicago Machine politics. So far,he has been successful in getting the MSM to buy off that Obama can walk on water. But Rahm Emanuel and David Axlerod are hip deep in that sewer with Blago, they operated side by side with him.

Emanuel and Axlerod are ususally right behind Obama at every press conference, you never see Obama with out those two. In fact, Obama has to stop walking slowly to avoid breaking their noses.

You may have noticed at yesterday's Obama press conference, there was no Emanuel and no Axlerod.

Something else to just keep an eye on.

242 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:07am

re: #239 SteveC

And I get the feeling that if I bet $5 on the UAW I'd win. :(

I don't think Bush will. Of course that may just be wishful thinking, after all, I am still waiting for the President to stop this Islam is a religion of peace crap?

243 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:10am

re: #229 gregg

I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?

Reid also voted "no" for procedural reasons.

I don't know what "procedural reasons" means.

Link here.

244 bp sf  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:20am

They call 'em rippers...hot dogs deep fried that rip open.

245 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:26am

re: #236 TheMatrix31

So why is he saying he's going to "dread" looking at Wall Street today?


I don't know. He is quoted as saying that the bill's collapse was a "loss for the country".

Reid is playing games again.

246 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:22:36am

re: #229 gregg

I noticed Reid voted against it - anyone know the explanation for this?

They want it in Bush's lap.

247 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:07am

re: #239 SteveC

And I get the feeling that if I bet $5 on the UAW I'd win. :(

Probably.

248 gregg  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:13am

re: #243 jorline

Thanks. I don't know what that mean either. Sounds like CYA.

249 bp sf  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:14am

The Colorado Cafe?

Looks like a NJ copy of Mickey Gilley's.

From their web site:
Dress Code Strictly Enforced
No:
White Strapped Undershirts
Head Bandanas ~ Skull Caps
Baggy Pants ~ Unlaced Work Boots
Colors and/or Rags

Cowboy Up...no gang bangers or wife beaters please!

250 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:38am

Good morning, Lizards. Two hour delay here in Western PA.

251 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:48am

re: #245 summergurl

I don't know. He is quoted as saying that the bill's collapse was a "loss for the country".

Reid is playing games again.

By saying "again", you imply that he actually quit for a while and has now resumed his game playing. I'm not sure he did.

252 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:24:57am

re: #239 SteveC

We can get the union to concede, given the current economic climate.

We almost had a port authority strike here two weeks ago, but the AFL-CIO sent delegates to Pittsburgh to encourage a deal with the transit union giving up some benefits to avoid a public black-eye associated with $30 an hour plus overtime bus drivers on the picket line.

That doesn't happen often.

253 monkeytime  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:01am

re: #225 MandyManners

Can I wear my leather pants?

Now Now - let's show them that we have a heart and can be charitable.
We can have an area for free makeovers for leftie women. We can let them trade in their birkenstocks for a pair of high heels and we can give away razors for them to shave and wax for their legs.
:>)

254 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:29am

re: #249 bp sf

The Colorado Cafe?

Looks like a NJ copy of Mickey Gilley's.

From their web site:
Dress Code Strictly Enforced
No:
White Strapped Undershirts
Head Bandanas ~ Skull Caps
Baggy Pants ~ Unlaced Work Boots
Colors and/or Rags

Cowboy Up...no gang bangers or wife beaters please!

Its a kick ass joint for pseudo punks like myself. Cowboys don't give me trouble.

255 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:29am

re: #246 3 wood

They want it in Bush's lap.

Procedural reasons? Gee whiz... Is that like voting "present"? What a crock.

256 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:30am

re: #241 3 wood

Is Emanuel the adviser on gov tape?
MUM | Obama's chief of staff refuses to answer the question

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

“You’re wasting your time,” Emanuel said. “I’m not going to say a word to you. I’m going to do this with my children. Dont do that. I’m a father. I have two kids. I’m not going to do it.”

When they start hiding behind their kids........

257 bp sf  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:25:39am

Good morning jorline.

Wish I was seeing the sunrise over Gulf down your way...you lucky Texan.

258 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:26:10am

re: #250 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey! I'm in Western PA! You must be in Westmoreland County?
Roads are good here in the North Hills.

259 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:26:58am

good hunting lizards!

260 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:27:13am

{goddess}

Good morning to you.

261 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:27:43am

re: #241 3 wood

There's a really good line in there somewhere with an "Axelrod" under a bus.

262 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:27:45am

Manila reports Ebola virus in pigs
By Roel Landingin in Manila

[Link: www.ft.com...]

Well I guess it's time to go back to being kosher!

263 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:28:03am

Uh oh

Jesse Jackson Jr. has got big problems:

Blagojevich fundraiser held by Jackson allies Saturday

As Gov. Rod Blagojevich was trying to pick Illinois' next U.S. senator, businessmen with ties to both the governor and U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. discussed raising at least $1 million for Blagojevich's campaign as a way to encourage him to pick Jackson for the job, the Tribune has learned.

Blagojevich made an appearance at an Oct. 31 luncheon meeting at the India House restaurant in Schaumburg sponsored by Oak Brook businessman Raghuveer Nayak, a major Blagojevich supporter who also has fundraising and business ties to the Jackson family, according to several attendees and public records.

Two businessmen who attended the meeting and spoke to the Tribune on the condition of anonymity said that Nayak and Blagojevich aide Rajinder Bedi privately told many of the more than two dozen attendees the fundraising effort was aimed at supporting Jackson's bid for the Senate.

264 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:28:10am

re: #258 Bumr50

Hey! I'm in Western PA! You must be in Westmoreland County?
Roads are good here in the North Hills.

Actually, a little bit more to the east: Indiana County.

265 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:29:14am

re: #257 bp sf

Good morning jorline.

Wish I was seeing the sunrise over Gulf down your way...you lucky Texan.

Good morning, bp sf. It's a cold beach morning here...38 degrees, but we will be in the lower 80's by Sunday.

266 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:29:28am

re: #263 3 wood

Uh oh

Jesse Jackson Jr. has got big problems:

Blagojevich fundraiser held by Jackson allies Saturday

Well it's nice to know that Blago is an equal opportunity extortionist?

267 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:31:35am

re: #256 Nevergiveup

Is Emanuel the adviser on gov tape?

I'm starting to hear strong rumors of that is all I can say.

In other news, people are starting to wonder why Rahm Emanuel has not yet resigned his Congressional position.

268 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:32:50am

re: #224 3 wood

Good morning

Look for the market to plummet today as the auto bailout failed in the Senate.


The situation boils down to a giant game of chicken. In order for the the auto companies to become competitive, they have to give back more than they have in labor costs and benefits. They don't want to. So they figure if they can just get a bridge loan to carry them till Obama is in, they are home free. The Senate Republicans said no, so the money is not coming from Congress.

Therefore, it gets thrown in the lap of the White House with the UAW and he Dem's betting that Bush will not want to leave the White House with these two bankruptcies on his shoulders.

We are eyeball to eyeball and the UAW figures Bush will blink.


I hope Bush doesn't blink!

So, should one short GM or F against the box?

269 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:33:11am

re: #264 goddessoftheclassroom

Attended IUP for a bit. I was "undecided."
It's just really icy here.

I'm originally from Saxonburg, Butler County. Spent my entire youth in the country swearing that all I wanted was to get out of the sticks.

Now I'm doing all I can to get back.

270 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:33:25am

re: #267 3 wood

I'm starting to hear strong rumors of that is all I can say.

In other news, people are starting to wonder why Rahm Emanuel has not yet resigned his Congressional position.

Just an aside, but does the Gov also appoint congressional vacancies?

271 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:33:51am

re: #266 Nevergiveup

Well it's nice to know that Blago is an equal opportunity extortionist?

With Jesse "I do not believe in pay to play politics" Jackson Jr.

I find the fact that the old man has no comment and has vanished as saying a whole lot.

I think the Old Man does not want to have to talk to the Fed's.

272 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:34:34am

re: #267 3 wood

I'm starting to hear strong rumors of that is all I can say.

In other news, people are starting to wonder why Rahm Emanuel has not yet resigned his Congressional position.


This should be an interesting news day - bailout bill flops, Rahmbo dodging questions, OB saying " I know nothing - I know nothing" ..

What was that Sgt.s name in Hogan's Heroes?

273 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:34:43am

re: #268 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

So, should one short GM or F against the box?

Depends on if you think Bush will blink.

I think he will blink.

274 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:34:59am

re: #271 3 wood

With Jesse "I do not believe in pay to play politics" Jackson Jr.

I find the fact that the old man has no comment and has vanished as saying a whole lot.

I think the Old Man does not want to have to talk to the Fed's.

Or maybe he jus can't find proper rhyming sound bites.

275 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:35:07am

re: #258 Bumr50

Hey! I'm in Western PA! You must be in Westmoreland County?
Roads are good here in the North Hills.

Actually, a little bit more to the east: Indiana County.re: #269 Bumr50

There's a lot to be said for small towns!

276 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:35:33am

re: #272 summergurl

This should be an interesting news day - bailout bill flops, Rahmbo dodging questions, OB saying " I know nothing - I know nothing" ..

What was that Sgt.s name in Hogan's Heroes?

Shultz

277 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:36:32am

re: #276 Nevergiveup

Shultz


Thank you ! I could have Googled it but only on my first cup of coffee.

278 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:08am

re: #266 Nevergiveup

Well it's nice to know that Blago is an equal opportunity extortionist?

By the way, this is typical Chicago politics.

The bag man is not just a figment of old novels.

279 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:10am

re: #273 3 wood

Depends on if you think Bush will blink.

I think he will blink.


I wonder what the options pricing is looking like.

280 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:21am

re: #277 summergurl

Thank you ! I could have Googled it but only on my first cup of coffee.

Many hours of a misspent youth watching TV.

281 Stonemason  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:25am

re: #269 Bumr50

I did three years at IUP back in the eighties, one of those winters had the coldest day ever included...it seemed anyway. Penn State closed that day, we didn't. -15 with wind chills around -40...that was cold

282 jetpilot1101  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:45am

re: #268 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I hope Bush doesn't blink!

So, should one short GM or F against the box?

You needed to short them yesterday. GM will open down big but you won't get in at the closing price, you'll get in at the open and who knows if it heads lower.

GM already down 40% premarket.

283 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:37:50am

re: #280 Nevergiveup

Many hours of a misspent youth watching TV.

Great show though.

284 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:38:21am

re: #272 summergurl

What was that Sgt.s name in Hogan's Heroes?

Sgt. Schultz.

By now, Obama is not even sure where Illinois is.

285 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:38:37am

"Thank you! Thank you very much, it's good to get out of the White house every now and again. I've been thinking, and I believe it might be a good idea to follow Chris Matthews advice and step down as President; Senator Obama has already shown that he could be a good President. One month after the election and he is already up to his ass in scandal."

"My friend Harry Reid is like a used car salesman, he always stands behind his product. It's safe back there, since it usually won't run in reverse. And no matter what kind of financing he offers, I'm not buying that crock of shit he's trying to peddle."

I'll be here another month, folks!

286 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:38:50am

re: #284 3 wood

Sgt. Schultz.

By now, Obama is not even sure where Illinois is.


ROFL

287 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:39:22am

re: #282 jetpilot1101

You needed to short them yesterday. GM will open down big but you won't get in at the closing price, you'll get in at the open and who knows if it heads lower.

GM already down 40% premarket.

Your right, too late now.

288 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:39:37am

re: #263 3 wood

Uh oh

Jesse Jackson Jr. has got big problems:

Blagojevich fundraiser held by Jackson allies Saturday

Two businessmen who attended the meeting and spoke to the Tribune on the condition of anonymity said that Nayak and Blagojevich aide Rajinder Bedi privately told many of the more than two dozen attendees the fundraising effort was aimed at supporting Jackson's bid for the Senate.

Why in the world would someone need to raise money for a seat that is not up for election right now? Wouldn't that money be tracked?

289 gregg  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:39:42am

The other big news today is the $50 billion Ponzi scheme led by hedge fund manager Bernard Madoff. We won't hear much about this in the MSM because of this:

Since 2000, Madoff has donated at least $100,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and more than $23,000 to the party’s candidates, including New York Senator Charles Schumer and New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg, according to the Center for Responsive Politics

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

290 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:40:22am

re: #263 3 wood

Uh oh

Jesse Jackson Jr. has got big problems:

To quote my father, "Jackson has cr*p on his hands that Ajax won't clean off."

He was talking about Jesse Sr. at the moment, but apples don't fall from from their trees.

291 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:40:27am

re: #288 MandyManners

Why in the world would someone need to raise money for a seat that is not up for election right now? Wouldn't that money be tracked?

Shirley you jest?

292 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:41:25am

re: #289 gregg

The other big news today is the $50 billion Ponzi scheme led by hedge fund manager Bernard Madoff. We won't hear much about this in the MSM because of this:


[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Heh, I was just about to comment on this..I wonder if he will off himself before he goes to the pokey. If not, I wonder how much time he's gonna get.

293 gregg  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:42:57am

re: #292 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Heh, I was just about to comment on this..I wonder if he will off himself before he goes to the pokey. If not, I wonder how much time he's gonna get.

The way things are going, Bush will pardon him.

294 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:43:07am

Local radio host pointing out the media's new tactic of trying to portray as "psychologically unstable" in order to invalidate anything he MIGHT say under oath.

Good point. Good host.

295 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:44:26am

From the article I linked above:

Jackson's congressional spokesman Rick Bryant said Thursday that Nayak is a "family friend and supporter" of the congressman as well as his well-known father, Rev. Jesse Jackson. The congressman and Nayak have spoken about Jackson's desire to succeed Obama.

"He has talked to [Nayak] about the Senate seat and he has mentioned his interest," Bryant said of his boss. "But he never asked him to do anything."

Jackson's newly retained attorney, James Montgomery, said Wednesday he could not rule out that such possibilities were discussed with Blagojevich by people who did not have his client's blessing.

Starting to sound like the Original Shake Down Artist, Jesse Sr., had a hand in this.

No Jr.'s attorney is changing his tune, now saying something might have been done but without our knowledge.

Dad might get thrown under the bus.

I'm also hearing from my connections that people are running to the Fed's and singing like a bird. Rezco has apparently also had a sudden regaining of memory on some things.

296 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:45:22am

re: #288 MandyManners

Why in the world would someone need to raise money for a seat that is not up for election right now? Wouldn't that money be tracked?

This is what is known in Chicago Machine politics as "The Fix".

297 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:45:31am

re: #281 Stonemason

It's so much more tolerable now due to anthropogenic global warming.
/sarc

Was Coney Island there then?

298 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:45:50am

re: #282 jetpilot1101

You needed to short them yesterday. GM will open down big but you won't get in at the closing price, you'll get in at the open and who knows if it heads lower.

GM already down 40% premarket.

Both F & GM are below 5 and not marginable and, hence, not shortable.

299 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:46:07am

re: #295 3 wood

This should be good for newspaper sales in the windy city, but I guess that is to late for the Tribune Company ha?

300 itellu3times  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:46:38am

re: #289 gregg

The other big news today is the $50 billion Ponzi scheme led by hedge fund manager Bernard Madoff.

Ya. Could be major moby mondo news. Still, it sounds to me like the $50b number is exaggerated. Plenty of news if it's "only" $10b.

Market not going to be happy today.

301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:48:05am

Well, I'm off to prepare for work. The market's gonna suck today and my guys will be eating tums like candy. As a registered sales assistant it's my job to keep them away from the windows.


Just kidding.

Our clients are well diversified, but daym...everything is down.

OTOH, I am buying where I see a good oportunity.

3Wood...what do you do?

302 Stonemason  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:48:10am

re: #297 Bumr50

I don't remember Coney Island, then again, I don't remember a whole lot of those three years. Almost 90 credits...no degree, but lots of time in the Sig Tau house, as a guest, not a member.

I enjoyed my time there, maybe too much.

303 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:48:52am

re: #299 Nevergiveup

This should be good for newspaper sales in the windy city, but I guess that is to late for the Tribune Company ha?

The Tribune will survive. Sam Zell's a bankruptcy attorney, he did this intentionally so he could cancel a bunch of bad contracts and restructure the paper.

Just like the auto companies should do.

304 Stonemason  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:49:06am

re: #297 Bumr50

We are from the east of the state but my brother is now living in Windber, that is a pretty place, up in the hills.

305 monkeytime  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:49:29am

Is Obama's Cabinet Too Conservative?

The Washing Post wants your opinion!

306 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:49:59am

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

3Wood...what do you do?

Look for undervalued but solid companies and understand I am investing for the long term, 5 years or more in duration.

307 gregg  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:50:30am

This was probably discussed in an earlier thread, but I see Murdoch said he wants the New York Times and predicted he would get it.

308 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:50:35am

On a totally unrelated side issue... I hate people who give you an option on eBay for fast shipping and then can't get the package in the mail until four days after you paypal them.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled current events discussion!

309 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:50:43am

Look for the market to drop 5% minimum today.

310 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:51:41am

re: #306 3 wood

Look for undervalued but solid companies and understand I am investing for the long term, 5 years or more in duration.

Me too.

I take it you are an advisor. You a CFP?

311 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:52:32am

re: #309 3 wood

Look for the market to drop 5% minimum today.

I don't thank we're going to see a 20% drop either.

312 rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:52:50am

re: #236 TheMatrix31
The ballot was to confusing and obscure.

313 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:53:19am

Gotta run. Time to dress and play mom's taxi. Back later, maybe.

314 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:53:34am

re: #304 Stonemason

I know Windber. Many old friends from Johnstown, Home of Murtha and Unemployment.

315 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:54:17am

re: #306 3 wood

Look for undervalued but solid companies and understand I am investing for the long term, 5 years or more in duration.

I'm looking at power producers and supermarket company stocks. People gotta eat no matter what the economy. And most of them like to have electricity in the house, too.

/Haven't got that much to invest, but at least I'm working my money and not waiting on a bailout!

316 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:56:33am

re: #315 SteveC

I'm a fast food manager. Business is BOOMING. Never underestimate the laziness of Americans.

317 itellu3times  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:56:36am

re: #311 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Look for the market to drop 5% minimum today

I don't thank we're going to see a 20% drop either.

I'll split the difference and expect 10% today.

Depends if any *more* bad news hits before closing, and I think retail sales news over next few days is going to be record bad - malls are empty.

318 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:57:23am

re: #26 gmsc

Quick reminder: The slashies at the end of a message communicate I'm being facetious. The more slashies, the less seriously you should take the message itself.

Yes - when it comes to the seriousness that post suffered the dearth of 1000 slashes.

319 Stonemason  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:59:03am

re: #314 Bumr50

Yeah, and all the medical buildings are named after that thief. My brother bought a reclaimed strip mine and built a house, great set-up wonderful view, but not much work for a golf pro. Good thing his wife has a great job!

320 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 4:59:56am

re: #317 itellu3times

I'll split the difference and expect 10% today.

Depends if any *more* bad news hits before closing, and I think retail sales news over next few days is going to be record bad - malls are empty.

Not around here!

321 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:00:49am

Egyptian President: "Iran wants to devour the Arab World"

322 rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:00:58am

re: #272 summergurl SSSShultzzzz.

323 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:01:17am

Blagojevich's favorite Christmas song.

324 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:01:46am

re: #309 3 wood
But that's only, what, 400 points.
Chicken feed!

325 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:02:09am

re: #317 itellu3times

I'll split the difference and expect 10% today.

Depends if any *more* bad news hits before closing, and I think retail sales news over next few days is going to be record bad - malls are empty.

Oh... you mean that the MSM ran the "Brick and Mortar is Doooooooomed!" line so hard that it's finally happening?

/God I wish my college football team had someone who could run the ball that hard.

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:02:10am

Wow. When this chick wants sex, you had better give it to her...

Can't imagine turning this down tho...

327 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:02:47am

Is it pronounced Bla GOY a vich or Bla GO ya vich?

328 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:03:48am

FBV, thoughts and prayers for you and the missus today. Are there any little vegetarians?

329 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:04:25am

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. When this chick wants sex, you had better give it to her...

Can't imagine turning this down tho...

I bet she cleans up right nice.

330 rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:05:04am

re: #284 3 wood
That is not the Illinois I thought I knew.

331 Bumr50  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:05:16am

re: #319 Stonemason

I have a friend whose parents have property close to there with a natural gas well on it that was found after they bought the land.
Talk about cheap living. Percentage of profit plus free utilities (g & e) anyway.
My friend built a house there on the other side of the property. Great for him, I haven't talked to his wife since though:)

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:06:05am

re: #328 Jim in Virginia

Thanks. Yes. Not little tho. Adult.

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:06:49am

re: #329 MandyManners

I bet she cleans up right nice.

(shudder).

bet he does too. (double shudder)

334 legalpad  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:07:16am

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. When this chick wants sex, you had better give it to her...

Can't imagine turning this down tho...

Come on - you know you are glad to be out of certain relationships. You have seen Fatal Attraction, right?

335 rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:07:41am

re: #327 MandyManners
Bla go ya vich I beleive.

336 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:07:50am

re: #329 MandyManners

I bet she cleans up right nice.

Some guys go for women who can get their crazy on, ya know. Takes all kinds!

337 heidi586  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:08:36am

re: #317 itellu3times

The mall was crazy busy yesterday - I work retail and yesterday was one of the better days...it has been a very strange Christmas selling/buying season...I think many are waiting for the last days, to pick up better deals. And as we lower our prices we are having people return receipt in hand to get the $1 difference credited back to their cards...never have seen it before in such numbers. Sales are no where near corporate projections but the numbers are limping along with days like yesterday.

338 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:08:56am

Some pundit brought up a good point this morning.
Valarie Jarrett is an Obama person. She is really wired to him.
She was also candidate #1 in the Blago/Senate sweepstakes.
Can you reasonably believe that the Obama Campaign had no role in the selection process?

339 Stonemason  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:09:20am

re: #331 Bumr50

And my brother has the opposite, the land did not come with the mineral rights...but 127 acres for less than 200 grand...couldn't pass it up.

340 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:10:23am

re: #337 heidi586

I thought Black Friday numbers were up three per cent over last year.

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:11:06am

BTW, love that McDonalds sign that they put up next to a Starbucks.

"four bucks is dumb".

Now that's a stab in the lip!

342 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:11:28am
"Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking."

— Dave Barry

"A priceless prototype device will protect a 3 cent fuse by blowing first"

-Murphy's Law of Electricity.

/Good Morning Everybody!

343 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:13:09am

bbl

344 heidi586  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:13:49am

re: #340 MandyManners

Black Friday was fantastic...we beat last year by thousands of dollars but then it has been dead slow. We actually had a store break $100,000 this year on black Friday - that has never been done before. CRAZY! My husband is just flabbergasted by it since my store is a woman's store - selling nothing that anyone needs..it's a want store...the best want store, but still...

345 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:14:27am

re: #342 CIA Reject

"A priceless prototype device will protect a 3 cent fuse by blowing first"

-Murphy's Law of Electricity.

/Good Morning Everybody!

Shit happens...as a rule.

346 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:15:07am

He's not melting fast enough IMHO:

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]

Good morning, Lizard Clan...happy Friday!

347 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:16:50am

dayum!

Fox reporter bought a Blackberry from McCain/Palin campaign and it hadn't been "scrubbed" - full of campaign information!

Not so much that, but I never thought about what happens to the loosing campaign's "stuff" -- the Blackberry was dirt cheap! ($50 or less? I only had one ear on the TV)

I know where I'm going electronic shopping in four years!

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:17:56am

re: #346 scottishbuzzsaw

Actually, pretty clever. Misguided? Yeah. But clever.

349 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:19:17am

Good morning Lizards....

350 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:19:22am

Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking.
— Dave Barry

Ah well Mr. Barry, not to worry, you can SEE electricity without drinking.
[Link: www.exploratorium.edu...]


Good Morning All!
.

351 heidi586  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:20:12am

Since I jumped right in and never bothered to wish everyone a good morn.....I'll wish everyone a good day as I leave. Make it a great day everyone. Time to go make the customers day and sell sell sell.

352 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:21:25am

re: #345 Spare O'Lake

Shit happens...as a rule.

Good Morning Spare O'Lake!

Of course anybody who has ever worked with electronic devices knows that what makes them work is smoke. If you somehow do something to release the smoke from the device then it will no longer work.

/Why do I get the impression that at least half of the people in the incoming administration will see nothing wrong with that line of reasoning?

353 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:21:31am

re: #346 scottishbuzzsaw

He's not melting fast enough IMHO:

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]

Good morning, Lizard Clan...happy Friday!

Poor guy got swamped by his own bullshit.

354 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:22:28am

re: #261 Bumr50

There's a really good line in there somewhere with an "Axelrod" under a bus.

Reuters 12/12/08 - The Obama express came to an abrupt halt to day on its journey to the inauguration. Mechanics on the scene reported an excessive buildup of political liabilites thrown under the bus had broken an Axelrod. The driver reported that while the bus would no longer run on automatic they would press on in Emanual gear.

355 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:23:44am

VERY unusual couple of days in a row now for Rod Blagojevich. Instead of spending all his time at his house or campaign headquarters, he actually went to his Chicago office!
(too little, too late....)

356 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:23:55am

re: #349 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards....

Mornin' luv...coffee? and how are you today?

357 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:24:06am

re: #307 gregg

This was probably discussed in an earlier thread, but I see Murdoch said he wants the New York Times and predicted he would get it.

Wouldn't that be hysterical! The FOX staffers go drop by to say "hey" and have a cup of joe in the morning....

If I remember from my NY visit a couple of years ago, they are not too far apart - geographically that is.

358 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:24:59am

re: #309 3 wood

Look for the market to drop 5% minimum today.


I am betting UP because that is how kooky this world is.

359 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:26:18am

re: #349 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards....

MWAH! It's been too long since we've been here at the same time!And since we're joking about electricity...

360 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:27:18am

liabilities

PIMF

361 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:28:23am

re: #354 DaddyG

Reuters 12/12/08 - The Obama express came to an abrupt halt to day on its journey to the inauguration. Mechanics on the scene reported an excessive buildup of political liabilites thrown under the bus had broken an Axelrod. The driver reported that while the bus would no longer run on automatic they would press on in Emanual gear.


Good one

362 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:28:41am

Hi, Goddess! Good to see you!

363 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:28:56am

re: #355 Taqyia2Me

VERY unusual couple of days in a row now for Rod Blagojevich. Instead of spending all his time at his house or campaign headquarters, he actually went to his Chicago office!
(too little, too late....)


WLS radio reportying this morning that Rod wanted Potty Mouth Patty to get a sweetheart job, like Michelle has at the UofC Medical Center.

364 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:29:54am

Paramedics: Why we do what we do

Good read.

365 MTNester  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:30:14am

re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom

Good Morning Goddess...how have you been? Funny photo!

366 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:30:49am

re: #363 opnion

WLS radio reportying this morning that Rod wanted Potty Mouth Patty to get a sweetheart job, like Michelle has at the UofC Medical Center.

Potty Mouth Patty! Hahahahahahaha!

Now my office mates think I'm completely insane.

/not that they are wrong but the random laughter has 'em more worried than usual.

367 opnion  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:31:54am

re: #366 DaddyG

Potty Mouth Patty! Hahahahahahaha!

Now my office mates think I'm completely insane.

/not that they are wrong but the random laughter has 'em more worried than usual.


Don't stop, you are keeping them alert.

368 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:32:51am

re: #356 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' luv...coffee? and how are you today?

Coffee...... Umm, feeling pretty good, yea, that's the ticket.... ;)

369 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:33:42am

re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH! It's been too long since we've been here at the same time!And since we're joking about electricity...

Morning cuttie pie...... MWAH.....

370 albusteve  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:35:31am

CKs newest downer...Obamas "pot of gold"

[Link: townhall.com...]

fine...where's mine?

371 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:36:08am

Now I've got to get ready--two-hour snow delays are one of the perks of teaching!

Have a great day, Lizards!

372 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:37:18am

Mornin" all. Snow possible here in the Northwest today. So of course Les Scwab was a looney bin yesterday and today too. Trying to do their annual maintenance on fire extinguishers and damn near got run over! Twice!

373 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:40:26am

re: #366 DaddyG

Potty Mouth Patty! Hahahahahahaha!

Sounds like the must-have doll this season...like tickle-me-elmo, only...not.

374 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:41:59am

Did y'all see the video of the shark trying to get some treats out of the cage? Yummm! Humans, it's what's for lunch. And Mickey Ds is running billboards in Seattle saying "4 bucks for coffee is dumb!" 4 bucks is our local name for Starbucks. Mwahahaha!

375 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:47:31am

re: #99 redc1c4

even better The Pelosi GT!

that was a 1972 model why dont we have plug in yer garage suv's 30+ years later

376 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:47:40am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another wintry day in the Valley and it's Firday! At last!

Help yourself! A schmear of this on top, accompanied by some bacon, (whoopsie! *blush* Try here instead) and a nice big helping of this will start your day off on the right foot. :D

377 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:48:46am

re: #365 MTNester

Good Morning Goddess...how have you been? Funny photo!

DARLING LADY! *mwah* I haven't seen you in ages! *hugs*

How are you and Mr. MTNester?

378 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:52:31am

Wait.

*toc*toc*toc*

Is this thing on?

379 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:53:10am

re: #376 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Another wintry day in the Valley and it's Firday! At last!

Help yourself! A schmear of this on top, accompanied by some bacon, (whoopsie! *blush* Try here instead) and a nice big helping of this will start your day off on the right foot. :D

Good morning, and thanks for the nice breakfast spread, Miss Trixie! A little footloose with the morning meat?...;>)

380 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:53:17am

re: #378 Miss Trixie
Nope, you are in a parallel none lizard universe!

381 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:53:43am

re: #378 Miss Trixie

Wait.

*toc*toc*toc*

Is this thing on?

Sigh.... my cuttie pie already left..... ;(

382 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:54:54am

re: #376 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Another wintry day in the Valley and it's Firday! At last!

Help yourself! A schmear of this on top, accompanied by some bacon, (whoopsie! *blush* Try here instead) and a nice big helping of this will start your day off on the right foot. :D

My my, what do you have on your mind this morning..... ;)

383 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:55:07am

Morning All!

Don't worry, Dorian... I'm here for ya big boy... *flutters eyelashes*

384 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:56:19am

re: #383 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning All!

Don't worry, Dorian... I'm here for ya big boy... *flutters eyelashes*

Retch........... ;(

385 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:56:30am

re: #383 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning All!

Don't worry, Dorian... I'm here for ya big boy... *flutters eyelashes*

*spew* Uh, do you two want to be alone? ;>) Mornin' Vet!

386 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:57:05am

Well good morning y'all - from a coldish (41 degrees, going up to 53 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone this fine morning?

387 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:57:15am

re: #385 scottishbuzzsaw

*spew* Uh, do you two want to be alone? ;>) Mornin' Vet!

Pttttt.... you're still a big ole marshmallow.... ;p

388 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:57:30am

He just looked lonely to me...

Hi Scottish!

389 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:58:24am

Real,

You win by 20 degrees today.

390 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:58:32am

re: #387 doriangrey

Pttttt.... you're still a big ole marshmallow.... ;p

HEY! I resent the 'big' part...and the 'ole' part!

391 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:58:39am

Hah! Newt talking about 'honesty' being the next big thing in politics. We are about to see 4 years of corruption that will make US Grants admin look like a pink tea party. Once a Chicago pol, always a Chicago pol. Obambis' gonna have nothing but Chicago bully boys running things and nothing will get investigated cause the press will howl RACISM at the top of their liberal lungs.

392 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:58:49am

re: #388 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

He just looked lonely to me...

Hi Scottish!

Lonely no.... But I surly do appreciate a beautiful woman who is smarter than me.... ;)

393 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:59:36am

re: #381 doriangrey

Sigh.... my cuttie pie already left..... ;(

So what am I? Chopped liver? :P

scottie

Good one! *badumpbump*

394 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:59:41am

re: #386 realwest

Well good morning y'all - from a coldish (41 degrees, going up to 53 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone this fine morning?

Morning real.... Doing fine... well except for Vet hitting on me... But otherwise fine.... How about yourself?

395 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 5:59:44am

re: #390 scottishbuzzsaw

HEY! I resent the 'big' part...and the 'ole' part!

I think he meant me... we all know you are hot...

396 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:08am

re: #386 realwest

Well good morning y'all - from a coldish (41 degrees, going up to 53 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone this fine morning?

Good morning, {real}, and happy Friday!

397 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:15am

re: #386 realwest
Mornin' RW, currently 30 here in the Greater Wenatchee Valley going down to 28 with a chance of snow. Single digit temps by Sunday! So much for gorebull warming!

398 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:16am

re: #382 doriangrey

My my, what do you have on your mind this morning..... ;)

Sausages.

399 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:35am

re: #393 Miss Trixie

So what am I? Chopped liver? :P

scottie

Good one! *badumpbump*

Realwest's cuttie pie.... And I never poach on a lawyers cuttie pie.... ;)

400 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:00:39am

re: #394 doriangrey

Morning real.... Doing fine... well except for Vet hitting on me... But otherwise fine.... How about yourself?

Later... when you remember it... you'll be flattered.

/and that's when you'll really be creeped out.

401 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:16am

re: #398 Miss Trixie

Sausages.

Then I would be blushing if I were you too... ;p

402 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:16am

Auto bailout dead. Can the Dow hit 6000 today?

403 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:20am

I don't know if this has been posted already, but even if it has, it deserves re-posting:

Brutal Afghan fight earns soldiers 10 Silver Stars

FORT BRAGG, N.C. - Capt. Kyle Walton remembers pressing himself into the jagged stones that covered the cliff in northeast Afghanistan.

Machine gun rounds and sniper fire ricocheted off the rocks. Two rounds slammed into his helmet, smashing his head into the ground. Nearby, three of his U.S. Army Special Forces comrades were gravely wounded. One grenade or a well-aimed bullet, Walton thought, could etch April 6, 2008 on his gravestone.

Walton and his team from the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group had been sent to kill or capture terrorists from a rugged valley that had never been penetrated by U.S. forces - or, they had been told, the Soviets before them.

He peered over the side of the cliff to the dry river bed 60 feet below and considered his options. Could he roll the wounded men off and then jump to safety? Would they survive the fall?

By the end of the six-hour battle deep within the Shok Valley, Walton would bear witness to heroics that on Friday would earn his team 10 Silver Stars, the most awarded for a single battle since the start of the war.

Walton, a Special Forces team leader, and his men described the battle in an interview with The Associated Press last week. Most seem unimpressed they've earned the Army's third-highest award for combat valor.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]
Y'all should read it all.

404 akak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:29am

"futures are pounded due to bailout failure" -CNBC

/cept -250 fair value is only average nowadays.

that being said, I wouldn't want to be owning Wells Fargo, MetLife or Prudential today.

405 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:41am

re: #398 Miss Trixie

Sausages.

Oh... this is going nowhere good...

406 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:01:52am

re: #395 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I think he meant me... we all know you are hot...

*blush* I will not disturb your impression of me, {Vet}!

407 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:02:42am

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a cold day here in CT. It started out rainy but is starting to dry out. I hope everyone is well today.

This from the local, liberal recycle bin filler:

Former Manchester High School Teacher Was Popular, Embattled

'Embattled' huh?

His disciplinary record, released Thursday, reveals a long history of reprimands, including an order from the school system to undergo anger management classes. Earlier this year he signed a "Last Chance Agreement" and knew he would be fired if he was disciplined again.

In his eight years at Manchester High, Proctor-Floyd was disciplined at least seven times before for showing an R-rated movie, failing to leave lesson plans for substitutes, having a loud argument with another staff member, leaving students unattended and driving students off school grounds for lunch.

Following an incident in March, he was suspended for five days without pay for showing his film students the entire movie "Crash," even though, officials said, he had been told not to show explicit sex scenes. Proctor-Floyd admitted he also did not get the required parental permission slips to show the movie.

He signed the "Last Chance Agreement" with the school system in April, making it clear that he would be fired if he violated the movie policy again, had any inappropriate interactions with students or employees, failed to leave lesson plans or retaliated against people who investigated complaints about him.

"Mr. Proctor-Floyd's employment is in serious jeopardy," the agreement said.

His latest trouble occurred Nov. 6, when David Maloney, the head of the social studies department, was checking on Proctor-Floyd's class and saw "Krush Groove" being shown. He checked the lesson plan and the movie's rating and then turned off the video. Administrators determined that Proctor-Floyd had told the substitute to show the movie, even though it is not on the school's approved list of R-rated movies and he did not get parental permission slips.

And yet there are many people trying to get him reinstated. Sometimes I really wonder if I want to bring my daughter up in this state.

408 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:03:01am

{realwest} Good morning, luv *smoochie-smooch*

Saaaaaay. Is that a new shirt? Very nice - matches your eyes.

409 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:05am

re: #406 scottishbuzzsaw

*blush* I will not disturb your impression of me, {Vet}!

I believe it was decisively proven, yesterday, that Lizardettes are, by definition, hot.

410 SteveC  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:15am

re: #386 realwest

Well good morning y'all - from a coldish (41 degrees, going up to 53 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone this fine morning?

Mornin'! All is well here! Dad had cataract surgery, no big deal. Wham Bang, it's done.

411 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:26am

re: #398 Miss Trixie

Sausages.

Do you prefer sweet and mild, or hot and spicy?

412 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:37am

re: #409 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I believe it was decisively proven, yesterday, that Lizardettes are, by definition, hot.

True dat....... ;)

413 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:04:52am

re: #389 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Hey LT - You mean I'm 20 degrees colder or warmer?

414 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:10am

Just here for a few minutes. We have an early morning special performance this morning for a school group, so I'm out of here in about 10 minutes.

Any politicians self-destruct over night?

415 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:14am

re: #411 scottishbuzzsaw

Do you prefer sweet and mild, or hot and spicy?

Obviously the Bacon flavored..... ;O

416 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:28am

re: #410 SteveC

Mornin'! All is well here! Dad had cataract surgery, no big deal. Wham Bang, it's done.

Glad to hear it Steve. Eye surgery gives me the willies.

417 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:34am

re: #409 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I believe it was decisively proven, yesterday, that Lizardettes are, by definition, hot.

And of course, all Lizards are studs, right?

418 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:44am

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

Just here for a few minutes. We have an early morning special performance this morning for a school group, so I'm out of here in about 10 minutes.

Any politicians self-destruct over night?

Emanuel is still taking the 5th

419 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:05:57am

re: #413 realwest

Hey LT - You mean I'm 20 degrees colder or warmer?

Warmer... hence, you win.

Freaking cold here and gonna get worse.

420 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:14am

re: #413 realwest

Hey LT - You mean I'm 20 degrees colder or warmer?

Warmer to the Lizardettes.... Colder to those who hit on your Lizardette.... ;p

421 kafir lover  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:19am

Very insightful article by Charles Krauthammer to explain Obama's alleged "shift" to the center and how he will manipulate this time of uncertainty to his advantage. However, with new reports that most major banks are effectively "bankrupt", the tanked economy may turn out to be a saving grace afterall - Transformation is his mission. Crisis provides the opportunity. The election provides him the power.

422 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:22am

Golden Colorado, in the 20's right now, high of 55 today. By Sat. night, Sun morning, snow, with a high Sunday of 20.

Snow off and on through Monday. Great way to start the coming week.

423 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:47am

re: #417 scottishbuzzsaw

And of course, all Lizards are studs, right?

I don't know about that, but we do have long tongues. ;-)

424 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:52am

re: #407 Ford_Prefect

Good morning Ford!

I suspect the people trying to get this creep reinstated are his fellow NAMBLA members.

swine...

425 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:06:54am

re: #367 opnion Plus your keeping that one Quietly crazy person thinking about if your a bigger risk than him so preventing his own much quieter but more violent explosion.

426 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:07:02am

re: #414 Walter L. Newton
Not yet. Give them time to ripen!

427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:07:04am

re: #417 scottishbuzzsaw

And of course, all Lizards are studs, right?

Rather doubtful. Remember we have guys here that proudly go by the name of Fat bastard.

/not pointing at any specific fat bastards, mind you.

428 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:07:08am

re: #417 scottishbuzzsaw

And of course, all Lizards are studs, right?

I dont know about all Lizards.... but this one certainly is..... ;)

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:07:49am

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

Just here for a few minutes. We have an early morning special performance this morning for a school group, so I'm out of here in about 10 minutes.

So, I'm assuming you're cutting out the nudity?

430 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:31am

re: #405 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh... this is going nowhere good...

*teehee* :D

431 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:44am

Well time for this Lizard hunk to be off and running like a herd of turtles... I owe I owe so off to work I go..... ;p

432 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:45am

re: #428 doriangrey

I dont know about all Lizards.... but this one certainly is..... ;)

Me too, me too (flicking tongue out and in really fast, lizard eyes bugging out, tail straight up)

433 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:46am

re: #427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Rather doubtful. Remember we have guys here that proudly go by the name of Fat bastard.

/not pointing at any specific fat bastards, mind you.

Maybe it's one of them reverse nickname things? Or maybe not?

434 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:08:51am

re: #428 doriangrey

I dont know about all Lizards.... but this one certainly is..... ;)

Someone take away his whip cream... he's had enough. Jeez.

435 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:00am

re: #424 CIA Reject

Good morning Ford!

I suspect the people trying to get this creep reinstated are his fellow NAMBLA members.

swine...

Yeah. "driving students off school grounds for lunch." Like that didja. Makes you wonder.

436 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:06am

Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!

We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!

437 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:16am

re: #411 scottishbuzzsaw

Do you prefer sweet and mild, or hot and spicy?

Yes.

:D

438 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:19am

re: #423 Ford_Prefect

I don't know about that, but we do have long tongues. ;-)

ROTFL!

439 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:20am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, I'm assuming you're cutting out the nudity?

LOL. There is no nudity in O. Henry stories.

440 MTNester  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:35am

re: #377 Miss Trixie

Miss Trixie! *hug* Nice to see you here. We are doing well, and it was really sweet for you to send all this COLD weather to us. We were starting to forget what it was like to get up and have it be 20-something outside! LOL

441 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:41am

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

Me too, me too (flicking tongue out and in really fast, lizard eyes bugging out, tail straight up)

Easy fella... whoa...

442 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:09:44am

Is everybody ready for the opening bell? I feel like we're on a roller coaster approaching the top of the lift hill. When that bell rings...

443 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:05am

re: #435 Ford_Prefect
Makes me wonder about the lack of common sense showed by the school board. Asshats all.

444 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:09am

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

Me too, me too (flicking tongue out and in really fast, lizard eyes bugging out, tail straight up)

Cough cough.... That wasnt your tail Walter..... ;p

445 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:21am

re: #436 reine.de.tout

Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!

We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!

Careful... you don't know what you just walked into.

Mornin!

446 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:23am

re: #436 reine.de.tout

Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!

We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!

Bonjour Reine, sa'va'

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:24am

re: #427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wait a damn minute. Who said I wasn't hot? You been talking to my wife?

448 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:10:43am

re: #439 Walter L. Newton
Which one are you doing Walter?

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:18am

re: #439 Walter L. Newton

LOL. There is no nudity in O. Henry stories.

Unless you want some.

450 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:21am

re: #421 kafir lover

Very insightful article by Charles Krauthammer to explain Obama's alleged "shift" to the center and how he will manipulate this time of uncertainty to his advantage. However, with new reports that most major banks are effectively "bankrupt", the tanked economy may turn out to be a saving grace afterall - Transformation is his mission. Crisis provides the opportunity. The election provides him the power.

And yet the new buildings around here turn out to be banks... and here I am hoping for a new bagel or chicken place...

451 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:23am

re: #436 reine.de.tout

Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!

We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!

Very, very clever, toots. :D

452 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:42am

re: #446 Walter L. Newton

Bonjour Reine, sa'va'

bien, merci.

What did I walk into? I've scrolled through and saw that Miss Trixie likes sweet and mild as well as hot and spicy sausages.

453 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:11:55am

re: #436 reine.de.tout

Good morning Dorian, Scotti, Realwest - well, everyone!

We have a gorgeous day today in south Louisiana, after a sneaux day yesterday!

Good morning, {reine}...it's a bit warm in here this morning!

454 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:12:19am

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait a damn minute. Who said I wasn't hot? You been talking to my wife?

No specific Fat bastards were thrown under the bus *thumpity thump*

No reason to jump up and announce the shoe fits...

455 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:13:03am

re: #394 doriangrey
Good morning dorian - I'm doing ok - just read that story I published at #403 again, and again just being continually amazed at the courage and audacity of our fine Armed Forces - especially our Special Forces ("Green Berets").
And, of course, no one in the MSM ever bothered to report on it until now, because now there are medals involved. Todays story was reported by both AP and Rueters, I picked AP cause it was a little bit shorter version.
Otherwise I'm doing ok, and other than the LT hitting on ya -btw, you should probably feel flattered at that! LOL! - how are you doing?

456 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:13:06am

re: #440 MTNester

Miss Trixie! *hug* Nice to see you here. We are doing well, and it was really sweet for you to send all this COLD weather to us. We were starting to forget what it was like to get up and have it be 20-something outside! LOL

Don't mention it, toots. :P

457 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:13:25am

re: #448 pingjockey

Which one are you doing Walter?

It a musical, almost an operetta, Called "A O. Henry Christmas." Two of his stories. "The Last Leaf" which is more of a "advent" sort of story (nothing directly to do with Christmas) and of course "The Gift of the Magi" (no explanation needed).

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

458 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:14:54am

re: #396 scottishbuzzsaw
Hey Hit ya {scotti} - yeah I know it's Friday but when you're retired, Friday, Saturday, Tuesday they all sorta blurred together, ya know?
;)
How are you doing today?

459 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:14am

re: #439 Walter L. Newton

LOL. There is no nudity in O. Henry stories.

There are in "OMYGAAAAWWWWWWD HENRY!" stories ... :P

460 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:21am

re: #457 Walter L. Newton
Sounds fun. I am so proud of our two high schools here and the plays they've been putting on. The kids are doing great work and the community has been supporting them very very well.

461 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:42am

re: #435 Ford_Prefect

Yeah. "driving students off school grounds for lunch." Like that didja. Makes you wonder.

Indeed. And correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a public school right? I suspect that the tone of the article would be very much different if it were any kind of parochial school- and outright hysterical if it were a Catholic school and the teacher was a priest

But the same kind of behavior on the part of a secular public school teacher is just "quirky" right?

*SPIT*

462 MTNester  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:49am

re: #456 Miss Trixie

How is little Miss Trixie? Got much snow yet? My, but it's nice to be able to spend a few minutes in lizard-land...

btw...I'm going out in a bit for Italian sausage.....

463 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:15:51am

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait a damn minute. Who said I wasn't hot? You been talking to my wife?

Wait a minute - I love Vegetarians --- don't be dissing yourself...

Tofu is pure energy...

464 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:16:11am

re: #397 pingjockey Hey there ping! A tad chilly where you are, hey? How you doing other than trying to keep warm?

465 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:16:43am

re: #424 CIA Reject
Be nice to all the Marlon Brando lookalikes they have it bad enough you know.
Rustler

466 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:16:46am

re: #452 reine.de.tout

bien, merci.

What did I walk into? I've scrolled through and saw that Miss Trixie likes sweet and mild as well as hot and spicy sausages.

Honey, I'm in THAT kind of a mood today.

:D

467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:17:22am

re: #463 summergurl

How YOU doin'?

468 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:17:29am

re: #466 Miss Trixie

Honey, I'm in THAT kind of a mood today.

:D

So is everyone else, it seems...

469 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:01am

re: #460 pingjockey

Sounds fun. I am so proud of our two high schools here and the plays they've been putting on. The kids are doing great work and the community has been supporting them very very well.

Well you should be. So many schools have practically stopped their arts programs, or relegate them to the back burner. Liberal arts are important (and I am not talking about politics).

470 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:11am

re: #459 Miss Trixie

There are in "OMYGAAAAWWWWWWD HENRY!" stories ... :P

ROTFLMAO!

471 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:28am

Lead Story
Crooked Carol Browner: Obama’s ethically-challenged energy czar

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Is there any appointment to this Obama Admin. that is not an old Clinton cronie?

472 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:41am

Out of here, long day, that school performance this morning and regular fri evening performance.

473 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:46am

Morning Lizards.

Snip from American Thinker

Many of our unpopular policies concerning terrorism, energy, and finance are of long duration. They resulted from collective decisions by Congress, past administrations — and us, the people, in our daily lives. Those decisions were no more the fault of George W. Bush than they can be easily solved by Barack Obama.

We should remember that fact in 2009, when the once-messianic Obama will become all too human, as he is overwhelmed by structural problems of terror, war, and money not all of his own making — and the once-demonized but now retired George W. Bush will seem downright competent.

— Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal and the 2008 Bradley Prize.

474 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:18:56am

re: #461 CIA Reject

That pretty much sums it up. Just check out the title of the article. "Embattled"? Gives him sort of a heroic 'fighting against the establishment' sort of feeling doesn't it?

475 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:19:18am

Good Morning Lizards!
how is everyone today?

476 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:19:30am

re: #408 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous, *smooochies* back atcha! And uh, I'm not wearing a shirt, but appreciate the compliment anyway! LOL!
How are you doing today?

477 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:19:50am

re: #462 MTNester

How is little Miss Trixie? Got much snow yet? My, but it's nice to be able to spend a few minutes in lizard-land...

btw...I'm going out in a bit for Italian sausage.....

We're just fine, thanks for asking. It was too cold to take her out yesterday in spite of her sneaux-suit. Hysterical how she hates that thing.

We've about a foot of sneaux and it's still early so we'll prolly have the usual 10 footers by spring.

478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:19:56am

re: #473 midwestgak

Linky to the whole thing?

479 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:09am

re: #459 Miss Trixie Also in the O-face Henry stories.

480 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:30am

re: #475 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
how is everyone today?

Doing great Hoops... how's yourself? What's the weather in Indy?

481 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:38am

re: #410 SteveC
Hey, excellent news SteveC, just excellent. Well I reckon you're doing fine today too, then, huh?!

482 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:40am

re: #467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How YOU doin'?

Chilly here in Dixie... All that sausage talk is warming a few folks up I see...

483 monkeytime  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #457 Walter L. Newton

Wish I could go watch your play instead of working today. Break a leg!

484 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:20:44am

re: #458 realwest

Hey Hit ya {scotti} - yeah I know it's Friday but when you're retired, Friday, Saturday, Tuesday they all sorta blurred together, ya know?
;)
How are you doing today?

I'm just fine, though trying not to spew my coffee everywhere...Lizards are funny.

485 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:21:07am

re: #475 HoosierHoops

Morning Hoosier. It's a lovely Friday.

486 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:21:22am

re: #459 Miss Trixie

There are in "OMYGAAAAWWWWWWD HENRY!" stories ... :P

Well, there is that. I saw that on the soft porn rack right new to those Filipino cooking videos.

487 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:21:40am

re: #475 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
how is everyone today?

Morning HH.

488 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:21:53am

re: #465 Rancher

Be nice to all the Marlon Brando lookalikes they have it bad enough you know.
Rustler

I don't care who they may look like- anybody seeking to sexualize children and rob them of their childhood deserves no consideration from me or anybody else.

489 MTNester  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:22:19am

re: #477 Miss Trixie

It's been wonderful visiting with you today, short as it has been! Now I must hie me off to the store to buy groceries for all the meals I plan to have cooked and in the freezer before the family arrives for Christmas vacation. I don't want to be stuck in the kitchen the whole time they are here.

Have a wonderful day, and a very Merry Christmas!

490 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:22:47am

re: #414 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter - not that I'm aware of, although Fox - FOX seems to be treating it as nothing unusual for a US Senate seat to be bought or sold.
And I posted a great, true drama up in #403!
Break a leg with that performance today!

491 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:23:30am

re: #464 realwest
Pretty good. Our guv has opened up a can of worms with her "Holiday" display in the Capitol Rotunda. Fred Phelps wants to put up a sign sending everyone to hell and a bunch of Seinfeld fans want a Festivus pole. Makes the whole state look like a buncha morons.

492 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:23:30am

re: #488 CIA Reject
Sorry was being Facetious there is a South Park episode about a mixup when 2 NAMBLA's come to town one the Marlon Brando Look Alikes, the other Being the North American Man Boy Love Association.

493 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:23:53am

re: #478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Linky to the whole thing?

Correction: National Review

Blame Bush, Barack, or US?

494 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:24:22am

re: #475 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
how is everyone today?

Good morning, HH...

495 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:25:04am

re: #476 realwest

Hey there gorgeous, *smooochies* back atcha! And uh, I'm not wearing a shirt, but appreciate the compliment anyway! LOL!
How are you doing today?

*boom-chicka-chicka-boom-chicka-chicka-boom*

:P

496 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:25:19am

Heya Hoops.

497 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:25:52am

re: #492 Rancher

Sorry was being Facetious there is a South Park episode about a mixup when 2 NAMBLA's come to town one the Marlon Brando Look Alikes, the other Being the North American Man Boy Love Association.

That was a good one... they set up Butters to "take one for the team".

498 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:26:42am

re: #428 doriangrey
You're a stud huh what's that mean - I mean what's your definition of a "stud"?
Almost nearly famous nearly Rock star driving a vette will only get ya so far, ya know!(he says, licking his eyebrows).

499 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:26:57am

re: #310 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I take it you are an advisor. You a CFP?

Sorry for the delay, had to go to work and immediately deal with a problem.

I used to be a CFO fiduciary and invested $100 million (relatively small by today's standards) for several agencies among other duties before I retired from that job. I also teach various college classes,including portfolio management and stock valuation, along with economics.

The last 5 years before I retired, I averaged a 28.6% rate of return a year on one fund I invested, so sometimes I know what I'm doing.

500 Jed 1899  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:27:28am

Plenty of fresh snow in the Adirondack Mt's this am.
Troy is in a state of emergency.Lots of ice to the south of the Dack's.

501 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:27:39am

re: #492 Rancher

Sorry was being Facetious there is a South Park episode about a mixup when 2 NAMBLA's come to town one the Marlon Brando Look Alikes, the other Being the North American Man Boy Love Association.

No worries - I was 60% certain that you were joking but just wasn't sure Not a huge South Park fan myself. Hope my response didn't seem too forceful as I didn't mean to slam you.

Peace

502 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:28:18am

re: #436 reine.de.tout
Hey good morning {reine} - how much snow did y'all get down there? Did any of it stick for any length of time?

503 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:27am

re: #501 CIA Reject
Nah didn't take it as overly forceful I just forgot my /// at the end.

504 Steffan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:28am

We're beginning to see some interesting fallout from the Blago scandal. Some big cockroaches seem to have been caught in the light.

Businessmen with ties to both Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson discussed raising $1 million for Blagojevich to help persuade him to appoint Jackson to President-elect Barack Obama's vacant Senate seat, according to a published report.

Citing unnamed sources, the Chicago Tribune reports in a story for Friday's editions that businessman Raghuveer Nayak and Blagojevich aide Rajinder Bedi told attendees at an Oct. 31 meeting that they needed to raise the money for the governor to ensure Jackson's appointment.

"Raghu said he needed to raise a million for Rod to make sure Jesse got the seat," an unidentified source who attended the meeting told the Tribune. Blagojevich also attended the meeting, which was sponsored by Nayak, an Oak Brook businessman.

This story is getting better and better. I'm going to need more popcorn.

505 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:47am

Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.

506 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:55am

Must fix pot of coffee...Good morning everyone..
Good yo see scottish here this morning

507 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:29:55am

Opening bell in a minute or so----
dum de dum dum dummmmmmm

I still vote for UP at the end of the day...

508 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:09am

re: #506 HoosierHoops
Mornin' HH. When is Indianna B-Ball going to get back to where it used to be?

509 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:16am

re: #505 pingjockey

Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.

I guess smoking will be OK now that Barry is president.

/to avoid that nasty hypocrisy thing.

510 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:18am

re: #505 pingjockey He claims hes going to use the plentiful Balconies at the White House if he falls off the horse.

511 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:48am

German Automakers Want Access to US Aid Package

German auto manufacturers want equal access to emergency funding for their US operations after the US House of Representatives passed a $14 billion bailout package to save the struggling US industry.

Fooled them...at least for the moment.

But, sure...why the hell not? We're going to be bailing-out every manner of failure anywho.

Crank-up those printing presses and if they can't print any faster, borrow some money from the oil-tick's and buy newer ones.

512 Thanos  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:31:57am

re: #505 pingjockey

Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.

Lots of presidents have smoked there. The secret service detail isn't going to want him smoking outside.

513 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:32:29am

re: #466 Miss Trixie
Aha - that kind of mood, eh? (see, I used "eh" which means I can speak Canadian!) well, ya know the door's always open to you here darlin'!
*smoooooooch*!

514 Thanos  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:32:59am

From Wildbeggar in email:

With the Ill. Gov. trying to auction off Barack Obama's senate seat, the Democrats and news pundits are
scrambling around to build a firewall to protect the Pesident-elect just as they did when the Whitewater
probe was focusing on the Clintons. Although Obama has denied any association with Begojevich, that
doesn't clear his staff from meeting or talking about some sort of a deal. Chicago politics have been crooked
for years and that's just the way of doing business. Obama hasn't been sworn in yet and already the
dirty heads are beginning to surface, Redzko is up to his ears in scandal, the Rev. Wright is still out there
spewing out hate from the pulpit and the investigation continues. With all the sleaze bags that Obama
hung with but still denies being close to still amazes a lot of people. His lame denials on T.V. with a lot
of "uhs" tells me he is searching for an escape route and you can bet the party is gathering funds to
pay for silence from those who know more. Remember Susan McDougal who did 18 months in prison
for refusing to testify against Clinton. The Democrats use their money to either buy votes or silence the
witnesses...

515 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:33:12am

re: #505 pingjockey

Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.

The privilege of rank! And in my opinion Obama is pretty rank?

516 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:33:15am

Let's have more regulation//

Calif. expected to crack down on diesel emissions

517 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:33:46am

Good morning: Check this out.

The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors

Hat tip: Jawa Report

518 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:33:53am

re: #498 realwest

You're a stud huh what's that mean - I mean what's your definition of a "stud"?
Almost nearly famous nearly Rock star driving a vette will only get ya so far, ya know!(he says, licking his eyebrows).

*blink*blink*

*thump*

519 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:34:33am

re: #504 Steffan

That's conspiracy right there. Even if they did nothing else, I think they could go to jail for that.

520 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:34:33am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Looks like Iowahawk wasn't alone in reporting on the sale of Obama's seat on eBay. Looks like some folks actually did put Obama's seat up for bid on the website.

521 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:34:33am

re: #506 HoosierHoops

Good yo see scottish here this morning

It is?! ;>)

522 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:34:50am

re: #473 midwestgak
Good morning gak! I have news for Victor Davis Hanson: that America has been spared another 9/11 will forever prove to me that George W. Bush has been competent - not that I've always agreed with him, God know, but most assuredly comptetent.

523 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:35:02am

re: #512 Thanos

Lots of presidents have smoked there. The secret service detail isn't going to want him smoking outside.

I'm not worried about the smoking issue, having said that I demand that a pet deposit be set in place for that puppy...and it had damn well better be paper trained!

524 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:35:42am

Dive! Dive! Dive! dow -188, s&p -19, compx -21

525 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:36:54am

Off to go shovel salt in the mine... take care all!

{smooch} to all Lizardettes and FBV, just to creep him out, too.

526 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:37:07am

re: #475 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops - I'm actually feeling pretty damn proud -again and always of our brave Armed Forces - see #403 above for why.

527 summergurl  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:38:04am

re: #524 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Dive! Dive! Dive! dow -188, s&p -19, compx -21

Yeah but the Market is as crazy as crazy gets - it may react positively to a move that involves saying NO to excess... Look what happened when we passed the other bailout, we dropped like a stone.

528 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:38:29am

re: #525 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Off to go shovel salt in the mine... take care all!

{smooch} to all Lizardettes and FBV, just to creep him out, too.

{smooch} back at you, Vet!

529 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:38:45am

Morning West...

530 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:38:55am

re: #522 realwest

Good morning gak! I have news for Victor Davis Hanson: that America has been spared another 9/11 will forever prove to me that George W. Bush has been competent - not that I've always agreed with him, God know, but most assuredly comptetent.

And he could answer tough questions off the cuff with confidence. Didn't have to back track or take 3 days to provide a response. I miss him already.

531 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:39:10am

re: #486 Walter L. Newton
Gee Walter, I didn't know you were interested in Filipino cooking!
;')

532 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:41:24am

re: #517 WriterMom

Good morning: Check this out.

The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors

Hat tip: Jawa Report

If they love the Jordyptians so much, why don't they get their butts back over there and work from within to build governmental institutions?

533 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:41:41am

re: #531 realwest

Gee Walter, I didn't know you were interested in Filipino cooking!
;')

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You crack me up! :D

534 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:41:54am

re: #505 pingjockey

Are you allowed to smoke in the White House? If you are the president you can smoke where you damn well please.

Interesting trivia question there: Assuming he's allowed to- BO will be the first president to smoke [1] in the White House since who?

I'm thinking probably LBJ...

[1] Smoke TOBACCO that is...

535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:42:01am

re: #525 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Success!

536 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:43:05am

re: #517 WriterMom

Good morning: Check this out.

The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors

Hat tip: Jawa Report

There is a courageous man.

537 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:43:12am

re: #491 pingjockey
Well outta respect for Charles I won't say what I think should happen to Fred Phelps - plus I don't want to be banned what with tomorrow being my 5th year anniverary on LGF - but I think y'all know me well enough to know what I'm thinking about with regard to Phelps.
And your state government is outta it's mind if it gives in to Phelps and his crew of looney-tunes ('cept they ain't funny, at all)

538 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:43:46am

re: #532 MandyManners

I actually think that this is just the socially acceptable way for them to express their deep seated hatred of Jews. I bet most of them don't give a rat's ass about the Palestinians.

539 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:43:56am

re: #532 MandyManners
It is much easier to blame da Joooooooos! Than doing anything resembling work.

540 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:44:12am

re: #495 Miss Trixie
ROFL! Why thankew!

541 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:44:56am

re: #537 realwest

- plus I don't want to be banned what with tomorrow being my 5th year anniverary on LGF -

Happy (early) Fifth Anniversary!

542 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:45:53am

re: #499 3 wood
Hey good morning 3 wood! Did ya see that Da Bears won AGAIN and are actually in the playoff hunt?!
What the heck?!

543 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:46:03am

re: #537 realwest
Thus whole uproar started when the let the atheists put their 'holiday' message right next to the manger! Hell, let everynutbar, religion, whatever put something in there. The place is huge, just space them out.

544 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:46:08am

The Day the Earth Stood Still Yawned While Hollywood Preached
—Gabriel Malor

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

The "global warming action film" is in wide release today. Normally I'd be excited about a film wherein an alien destroys great chunks of humanity. But I have no desire to be lectured about the evils perpetrated upon poor, innocent Mother Earth. I can turn on Discovery, National Geographic, or CNN for that.

To bad. I loved the original.

545 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:46:40am

re: #537 realwest

Five years? Wow! That's like... half a decade. :^/

546 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:47:08am

re: #407 Ford_Prefect

That summarizes everything that is wrong with the American Educational System. At least dude wasn't dealing drugs, I guess. My ex-wife had a joker when she was in high school that was convicted of selling pot to students.

IIRC, he was let come back to teach once he'd served his time.

547 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:47:19am

Good morning, Lizards.

548 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:47:19am

The Smokers:

2. John Adams, 1797-1801 A cigar man

4. James Madison, 1809-17 Also a stogie-lover

6. John Quincy Adams, 1825-29 Yet another cigar man

7. Andrew Jackson, 1829-37 Liked a cigar, but more so chewing tobacco

8. Martin Van Buren, 1837-41 All about the pipe

9. William Henry Harrison, 1841 Pipe guy too

10. John Tyler, 1841-45 Cigars

12. Zachary Taylor, 1849-50 Cigars too

17. Andrew Johnson, 1865-69 Liked cigars

18. Ulysses Simpson Grant, 1869-77 Cigar fiend, rumored to smoke 20 stogies a day

21. Chester Alan Arthur, 1881-85 Cigars

22. Grover Cleveland, 1885-89 Chew

23. Benjamin Harrison, 1889-93 Cigar

24. Grover Cleveland, 1893-97 Continued to chew

25. William McKinley, 1897-1901 Obsessive secret smoker of cigars behind closed doors

27. William Howard Taft, 1909-13 At 300 hundred pounds he quit cigar smoking when he reached office, which may have resulted in even further weight gain

29. Warren Gamaliel Harding, 1921-23 Cigars

30. Calvin Coolidge, 1923-29 Liked to use cigars as a prop to punctuate political discussions

31. Herbert Clark Hoover, 1929-33 Incessant smoker of high-end cigars

32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1933-45 Finally, a cigarette guy and our first chain smoker president

34. Dwight David Eisenhower, 1953-61 Cigarettes

35. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 1961-63 Cigars and cigarettes (loved Cubans) and it's reported Jackie O went through 3 packs of Salems a day

36. Lyndon Baines Johnson, 1963-69 Cigars and the occasional rolled cigarette


37. Richard Milhous Nixon, 1969-74 The occasional cigar

38. Gerald Rudolph Ford Jr , 1974-77 Nonstop pipe smoker

42. William Jefferson Clinton, 1993- 2001 Yeah, you know it

43. George W. Bush, 2001- 2009 There's no proof of W. smoking but come on, the guy was an alcoholic who must have puffed something, yet with no proof we couldn't include him in our survey

44. President Elect Barack Obama

[Link: nerve.com...]

549 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:48:05am

According to some reports, the Israeli Air Force has conducted secret training missions to prepare for a future attack which will be aided by the X-band radar system, capable of intercepting Iran's newly tested medium-range ballistic missiles, recently installed by U.S. military personnel. If Israel perceives that time is running out on Iran, it may be forced to muster the political will to defend itself from a nuclear nightmare that Ahmadinejad has repeatedly promised. We believe Iran is now nuclear capable to some degree

Your text to link...

550 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:48:41am

re: #544 Nevergiveup
Damn, I was worried about that. Saw the trailer where Reeves says "your planet?" So it's a damn ecoreligion, preachy, bs? Crap.

551 Alouette  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:48:57am

re: #517 WriterMom

Good morning: Check this out.

The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors

Hat tip: Jawa Report

What a crowd of piddling asshats.

552 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:03am

re: #505 pingjockey
Huh, you'd think so, wouldn't you. But I was discussing this with Mom and she said that since the WH is a national historic place, and since whoever occupies it is only there as a "renter" even the POTUS has to abide by the no smoking rules INSIDE the White House-that's why there's that wide veranda!

553 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:11am

re: #538 WriterMom

I actually think that this is just the socially acceptable way for them to express their deep seated hatred of Jews. I bet most of them don't give a rat's ass about the Palestinians.

I wonder what would happen if the Jordyptians suddenly got their nation.

554 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:15am

re: #534 CIA Reject

Um, Clinton enjoyed the occasional cigar. Oh, you said smoking. I doubt that Monica would have gone along with it if it had been lit.

555 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:37am

re: #543 pingjockey

Thus whole uproar started when the let the atheists put their 'holiday' message right next to the manger! Hell, let everynutbar, religion, whatever put something in there. The place is huge, just space them out.

I think the issue here is not that they were allowed to put up a display. It's the fact that their display maligns the other religious displays. The Christmas and Chanukah displays don't do that.

556 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:50am

re: #539 pingjockey

It is much easier to blame da Joooooooos! Than doing anything resembling work.

Does Gaza have a functioning sewer system yet?

557 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:49:50am

re: #544 Nevergiveup

The Day the Earth Stood Still Yawned While Hollywood Preached
—Gabriel Malor

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

The "global warming action film" is in wide release today. Normally I'd be excited about a film wherein an alien destroys great chunks of humanity. But I have no desire to be lectured about the evils perpetrated upon poor, innocent Mother Earth. I can turn on Discovery, National Geographic, or CNN for that.

To bad. I loved the original.


They needed an emotionless robot for the part...and found something even better-Keanu Reeves

558 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:50:28am

re: #553 MandyManners

They have one-Jordan.

559 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:50:28am

re: #534 CIA Reject

re: #548 Dustyvet

ACK!

I forgot about Gerry Ford's pipe!

560 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:50:44am

re: #552 realwest
Hmmm. Don't think the Secret Service is gonna tell him no. But the White House caretaker might!

561 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:00am

re: #511 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Good morning aboo! With all due respect, Fuck the German automakers. Let 'em ask Germany or the EU for some dough.
Or cut the prices on their damn automobiles.

562 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:01am

re: #546 Iron Fist

That summarizes everything that is wrong with the American Educational System. At least dude wasn't dealing drugs, I guess. My ex-wife had a joker when she was in high school that was convicted of selling pot to students.

IIRC, he was let come back to teach once he'd served his time.

I wouldn't be so sure that he wasn't. I mean, who knows what happened when he took kids off school grounds.

563 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:11am

re: #554 Iron Fist

Um, Clinton enjoyed the occasional cigar. Oh, you said smoking. I doubt that Monica would have gone along with it if it had been lit.

Heh :-)

564 yochanan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:28am

i have a question for the LIZARDS OF THE MORNING?

should we call them CONGRESSCRITERS OR CONGRESSCROOKS?

565 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:35am

When Obama comes to NYC, will Bloomberg allow him to smoke?

566 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:51:50am

re: #547 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning, jorline...

567 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:03am

re: #553 MandyManners


We alredy knowa the answer to that question. They'd have a civil war immediately if they were ever given their shithole of a (failed) State.

568 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:09am

re: #555 Ford_Prefect
That too. Should have been clearer. That said, they still could've put it across the rotunda. The lack of common sense here is staggering.

569 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:09am

re: #554 Iron Fist

Um, Clinton enjoyed the occasional cigar. Oh, you said smoking. I doubt that Monica would have gone along with it if it had been lit.

ROFLMAO!

570 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:27am

re: #564 yochanan

i have a question for the LIZARDS OF THE MORNING?

should we call them CONGRESSCRITERS OR CONGRESSCROOKS?

I have many names for them and none are as nice as yours.

571 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:55am

re: #520 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk! LOL! - hey, the taxpayers of New Jersey might as well get something out of it too!

572 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:52:58am

re: #556 MandyManners
Yep. Lake Arafat. It ocassionally floods and drowns people in shit though.

573 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:53:26am

re: #567 Iron Fist

We alredy knowa the answer to that question. They'd have a civil war immediately if they were ever given their shithole of a (failed) State.

They already have a little civil war going on?

574 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:53:53am

re: #566 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, jorline...

How are you this morning, scottish? All's well here, just a nippy morning.

575 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:54:28am

re: #529 Dustyvet
Good morning back atcha Dustyvet! Hope you're doing well today?

576 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:54:52am

Is it only me or does anyone else here think that Gov Blago looks alittle like Janet Reno?

577 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:55:39am

re: #558 WriterMom

They have one-Jordan.

The Jordanians sure as hell don't want them.

578 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:55:55am

Wow. Immigration to the US since 1870:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

579 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:56:27am

re: #567 Iron Fist

We alredy knowa the answer to that question. They'd have a civil war immediately if they were ever given their shithole of a (failed) State.

They'd just blame the Jews.

580 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:56:28am

re: #547 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

Morning {jorline}

581 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:56:36am

re: #575 realwest

Good morning back atcha Dustyvet! Hope you're doing well today?

I am, and hope the same with you...:)

582 yochanan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:01am

re: #570 Hard Right

I have many names for them and none are as nice as yours.

REMEMBER this is charles house so i keep it clean.

583 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:06am

re: #577 MandyManners

The Jordanians are Palestinians, they all hate each other. PUMA-Palestinian Unity My Ass.

584 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:10am

So, Ahmadinejad is up to his usual antics. He's calling for genocide of Israel. Again. He's also repeating Hamas propaganda as fact - again. They have their playbooks and they're sticking to them religiously.

585 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:10am

re: #572 pingjockey

Yep. Lake Arafat. It ocassionally floods and drowns people in shit though.

Wasn't there one in place before Israel pulled out?

586 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:51am

re: #567 Iron Fist

They've already been there, done that-think back to Arafish and King Hussein.

587 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:55am

re: #574 jorline

How are you this morning, scottish? All's well here, just a nippy morning.

I'm just fine, jorline, and hope you've been feeling well?

588 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:57:57am

re: #583 WriterMom

The Jordanians are Palestinians, they all hate each other. PUMA-Palestinian Unity My Ass.

What about those in Gaza? Aren't they Egyptians?

589 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:58:20am

re: #584 lawhawk

So, Ahmadinejad is up to his usual antics. He's calling for genocide of Israel. Again. He's also repeating Hamas propaganda as fact - again. They have their playbooks and they're sticking to them religiously.

Yeah but Obama will make then an offer they can't refuse?
///

590 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:58:49am

re: #582 yochanan

REMEMBER this is charles house so i keep it clean.

That's why I didn't post the names. :)

591 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:59:06am

re: #545 Ford_Prefect
Actually it IS half-a-decade! LOL! Geez, it doesn't sound so good when ya put it that way!
But I'm still proud of it!

592 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 6:59:21am

re: #584 lawhawk

So, Ahmadinejad is up to his usual antics. He's calling for genocide of Israel. Again. He's also repeating Hamas propaganda as fact - again. They have their playbooks and they're sticking to them religiously.

Pun intended?

593 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:00:33am

re: #585 MandyManners
Maybe there in the area where they had the new green houses and such. If it is taken care of like they took care of those greenhouses, it is destroyed.

594 ironbill  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:00:39am

I've been checking some of the spin-offs, and a couple of them focus on Rahm Emanuel's contacts/discussions with Blago the Impaler.

Food for thought: Given The One's propensity for tossing friends overboard, how long till Rahm a long adingdong gets tossed?

(over board/under bus)

595 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:00:58am

re: #573 Nevergiveup

They've already held it, and the "moderate" terrorists lost. we should have cut off all ties with, and blockaded, Hamasistan formerly known as Gaza. We know if they ever do get a Palestinian State Hamas and Fatah will go at it for the bragging rights to oppress the "Palestinian" people.

I'd bet on Hamas if that happens. Those sons of bitches are ruthless as hell. They don't discriminate. They'll kill anybody.

596 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:00:58am

re: #560 pingjockey
Don't kno why the Secret Service wouldn't - I would! The White House belongs to all of us; WE set the rules and allow him to reside there; there's no constitutionally mandated protection for evicting a President from the WH, ya know?!?

597 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:01:36am

re: #594 ironbill

I've been checking some of the spin-offs, and a couple of them focus on Rahm Emanuel's contacts/discussions with Blago the Impaler.

Food for thought: Given The One's propensity for tossing friends overboard, how long till Rahm a long adingdong gets tossed?

(over board/under bus)

I think I hear a bus engine warming up...

598 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:02:11am

re: #542 realwest

Hey good morning 3 wood! Did ya see that Da Bears won AGAIN and are actually in the playoff hunt

The Saints can't play in the cold.

Three of the Bears wins are against the Lions (twice) and the Rams.

They are not a play off team.

599 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:02:26am

re: #593 pingjockey

Maybe there in the area where they had the new green houses and such. If it is taken care of like they took care of those greenhouses, it is destroyed.

Such rage.

600 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:02:31am

re: #596 realwest

Don't kno why the Secret Service wouldn't - I would! The White House belongs to all of us; WE set the rules and allow him to reside there; there's no constitutionally mandated protection for evicting a President from the WH, ya know?!?

Yes there there is, just terminate his lease in 2012..:)

601 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:02:36am

Good day fine lizards.

/America sucks.

I guess that's why everyone wants to come here. The allure of real freedom. Freedom that left-wing hollywood a-holes would throw away in an instant, if they could.

602 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:08am

re: #588 MandyManners

Long story!

603 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:08am

re: #596 realwest
Except the Prez is the Secret Services boss, or I should say the Sec. of the Treasury is their boss and the Prez is the Secretary of Teasurys boss. Mwahaha! So who knows.

604 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:20am

re: #595 Iron Fist

They've already held it, and the "moderate" terrorists lost. we should have cut off all ties with, and blockaded, Hamasistan formerly known as Gaza. We know if they ever do get a Palestinian State Hamas and Fatah will go at it for the bragging rights to oppress the "Palestinian" people.

I'd bet on Hamas if that happens. Those sons of bitches are ruthless as hell. They don't discriminate. They'll kill anybody.

Remember how they treated folks wanting to go for hajj?

605 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:22am

re: #564 yochanan
Is there a difference?!
And good morning yochanan!

606 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:23am

re: #598 3 wood

The Saints can't play in the cold.

Three of the Bears wins are against the Lions (twice) and the Rams.

They are not a play off team.

3 wood - you make me sad. But alas . . .

607 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:32am

re: #599 MandyManners

Such STOOPID EFFING JEWS who funded it.

608 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:34am

BBL

609 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:03:40am

re: #578 scottishbuzzsaw

Wow. Immigration to the US since 1870:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]


ack! I just posted that myself. Isn't that wild!?!

610 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:04:00am

re: #600 Dustyvet

I'm hoping they impeach the Obamessiah before he takes the Oath of Office. Change!

(I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it, though)

611 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:04:13am

Last update - 16:15 12/12/2008

U.S. Army sends American-Israeli woman to Afghanistan

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The Foreign Ministry Thursday began reviewing an unusual plea by a 55-year-old American-Israeli woman from Netanya who is fighting the U.S. Army's decision to send her to active reserve duty in Afghanistan.

I am sorry, but being in the Navy Reserves myself, you know EXACTLY what you signed on for and what the possible consequences are.

612 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:04:39am

Love the Union guy... It's all the Senate GOP fault... Blame the Republicans... As always...

HELLO! The American people are against giving more $$ to corporations to save their asses. They made their beds, let them lie in them!

613 ironbill  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:04:51am

re: #597 Hard Right

The MSM is in full "See... look, Obama's as clean as an ethical whistle" mode.

If Fitzgerald has Rahmithome on tape talking hard numbers, The New Living Breathing Christ President Elect will be in "not the Rahm I knew" mode in a flash

614 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:05:15am

re: #602 WriterMom

Long story!

I lay a lot of the blame at Haj Amin al-Husseini's feet. Evil bastard.

615 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:05:22am

re: #554 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - Um, Clinton enjoyed the occasional cigar. Oh, you said smoking. I doubt that Monica would have gone along with it if it had been lit.

Yep, no bush fires at the WH - remember, only YOU can prevent Forest Fires!

616 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:05:43am

re: #615 realwest
PIMF: brush fires! So sorry!

617 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:05:47am

Good Friday morning all.

618 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:05:51am

re: #508 pingjockey

Mornin' HH. When is Indianna B-Ball going to get back to where it used to be?

They have a very good coach...uh oh..Buddy is pulling up..Going to breakfast..see ya later

619 rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:02am

I'm still hoping Monday when the EC meets they determine the Obamanation is unsuitable for office and stick old John boy in the Office.
Rustler

620 invictus1  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:10am

re: #597 Hard Right

I think I hear a bus engine warming up...

So is there even space under the bus by now? Maybe the "Office of the President Elect" can buy a train!

621 tackle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:10am

re: #576 Nevergiveup

Is it only me or does anyone else here think that Gov Blago looks alittle like Janet Reno?

That's who it is! That hair is just weird.

622 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:14am

re: #611 Nevergiveup

Last update - 16:15 12/12/2008

U.S. Army sends American-Israeli woman to Afghanistan
I am sorry, but being in the Navy Reserves myself, you know EXACTLY what you signed on for and what the possible consequences are.

What are they?

623 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:26am

re: #616 realwest

PIMF: brush fires! So sorry!

Given the context, bush fires actually makes sense.

624 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:26am

re: #613 ironbill

The MSM is in full "See... look, Obama's as clean as an ethical whistle" mode.

If Fitzgerald has Rahmithome on tape talking hard numbers, The New Living Breathing Christ President Elect will be in "not the Rahm I knew" mode in a flash

"I did not authorize Mr. Emanuel to hold discussions with the Governor and I am saddened and sobered that he did...'

625 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:36am

re: #610 Iron Fist

I'm hoping they impeach the Obamessiah before he takes the Oath of Office. Change!

(I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it, though)

I'm sort of hoping that happens, but I'm not holding my berath either. Anybody know where I can get a copy of "Seven Days In May" on short notice?

626 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:40am

re: #617 Ward Cleaver

Good Friday morning all.

Hi Ward

627 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:06:49am
628 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:00am

re: #609 FrogMarch

ack! I just posted that myself. Isn't that wild!?!

I actually teared up seeing the increasing flow of those seeking freedom. Makes me despise our home-grown America-haters even more...

629 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:09am

re: #516 midwestgak

And how are they supposed to get their fresh produce trucked out of the valley...
Horse and carriage? Railway?
No, they'll make the diesel rig truckers line up at the border and transfer the goods into the trucks sitting in Arizona.
; (

630 rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:16am

re: #615 realwest That just proves the cigar wasn't lit or there would have been a Bush fire.

631 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:19am

re: #607 WriterMom

Such STOOPID EFFING JEWS who funded it.

They left them some good stuff but, the Jordyptians were too blinded by hatred to take care of it. More than anything, to me that shows their true intent: to make war on Israel. If they really wanted their own state, they'd build on what they have.

632 lincolntf  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:28am

re: #597 Hard Right

I'd like to see Obama toss Rahm under the bus, but I have a feeling that it won't happen. Unless Rahm is caught red-handed (on tape?) committing a felony, then Obama won't risk his oh-so precious image by having to fire his top advisor before he even assumes Office.

633 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:38am

re: #622 midwestgak

What are they?

What are what?

634 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:48am

Bush Blinked.

The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.

Treasury to aid auto makers until Congress can act

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Treasury Department said Friday that it would step in and lend funds to the Big 3 auto-makers until Congress has time to consider a long-term rescue package next year. Talks on a rescue package broke down in the Senate late on Thursday night, making action on a bailout impossible until next year. "Because Congress failed to act, we will stand ready to prevent an imminent failure until Congress reconvenes and acts to address the long-term viability of the industry," Treasury spokeswoman Brooklyn McLaughlin said in a statement. Funds for the auto companies are likely to come from the Trouble Asset Relief plan. The decision to use TARP funds is a shift in the previous White House position that the $700 billion dollars should be limited to stabilizing the financial sector.

635 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:07:51am

re: #613 ironbill

The MSM is in full "See... look, Obama's as clean as an ethical whistle" mode.

If Fitzgerald has Rahmithome on tape talking hard numbers, The New Living Breathing Christ President Elect will be in "not the Rahm I knew" mode in a flash

Yup. Just more of the same from the election. Rahm better wear a helmet. I hear it's a rough ride under there.

636 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:08:02am

re: #616 realwest

PIMF: brush fires! So sorry!

'Remember only you can prevent wildfires"

Smokie Da Bear!

637 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:08:40am

re: #634 3 wood

We're a disaster... Have to say it but George W. Bush has destroyed the GOP...

638 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:08:58am

re: #612 tfc3rid
AMEN! And good morning to you!

639 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:09:11am

re: #612 tfc3rid

I hate unions. HATE. It's nothing against an individual union member. I detest the whole union enchilada. Unions kill businesses. Unions suck the life out of business. Unions are a micro-version of socialism. It's a bloated ponzi scheme.

In 2007 GM and Toyota sold roughly sold the same number of cars. GM lost billions, Toyota made a profit. The difference? GM is union.

Want to kill a profitable business? Go union.

640 3 wood  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:09:12am

re: #606 midwestgak

3 wood - you make me sad. But alas . . .

Have you seen the Bears defense stop a decent offense yet this year?

641 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:09:54am

re: #617 Ward Cleaver
Good morning Ward! Hope all is well in the Cleaver household today!

642 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:10:00am

re: #632 lincolntf

I'd like to see Obama toss Rahm under the bus, but I have a feeling that it won't happen. Unless Rahm is caught red-handed (on tape?) committing a felony, then Obama won't risk his oh-so precious image by having to fire his top advisor before he even assumes Office.

If I'm reading the reports correctly he may have been recorded doing just that. If he gets run over it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
///

643 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:10:08am

The UAW is saying they do not know who Sen Corker is representing? Hum....Maybe just Maybe the AMERICAN PEOPLE you ass hat!

644 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:10:51am

re: #604 MandyManners

I recall something along those lines. Didn't they trow some people off of buildings during that little house party? Palestinians are so routinely violent that the various examples of it blend in together.

Kind of like an abstract painting only done in hate and bloodshed. Now that the One is taking office, maybe they can get an NEA grant or something for their continued hard work.

645 ironbill  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:11:10am

re: #635 Hard Right

Rahm Emanuel is, for all intent and purposes, a corrupt scumbag bully. I don't wish ill on anyone. However, if the concept of karma is true, and he gets pinched, ruined, destoyed...

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:11:24am

re: #634 3 wood

Bush Blinked.

The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.

Treasury to aid auto makers until Congress can act

Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?

647 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:11:49am

re: #633 Nevergiveup

What are what?

and what the possible consequences are.

648 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:12:15am

re: #644 Iron Fist

I recall something along those lines. Didn't they trow some people off of buildings during that little house party? Palestinians are so routinely violent that the various examples of it blend in together.

Kind of like an abstract painting only done in hate and bloodshed. Now that the One is taking office, maybe they can get an NEA grant or something for their continued hard work.

Next time they can lay some white canvas down before tossing people off buildings. Then they trim and frame the splat marks. Impact art...

649 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:12:37am

re: #643 Nevergiveup

The UAW is saying they do not know who Sen Corker is representing? Hum....Maybe just Maybe the AMERICAN PEOPLE you ass hat!

To hell with the UAW! The UAW and the economically inept democrats are all part of the anti-profit pro-socialism anti-competitive business model. Idiots.

650 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:12:54am

re: #595 Iron Fist

I'd bet on Hamas if that happens. Those sons of bitches are ruthless as hell. They don't discriminate. They'll kill anybody.

They also have major financial and military support from Iran. Fatah has us. Will Obama continue supporting Fatah against Hamas?

Real Rancher

651 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:13am

re: #640 3 wood

Have you seen the Bears defense stop a decent offense yet this year?

I hear ya.

652 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:15am

re: #517 WriterMom

Check this out.

The Lone Jew

"Who was that kippahed man?"

Good morning.

653 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:22am

re: #634 3 wood

Bush Blinked.

The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.

Treasury to aid auto makers until Congress can act

This is why we have lost the last few elections. We are no better than democrats?
Well you know who i mean by "we"

654 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:32am

re: #643 Nevergiveup

The UAW is saying they do not know who Sen Corker is representing? Hum....Maybe just Maybe the AMERICAN PEOPLE you ass hat!

Corker represents a state that has given massive incentives to foreign automakers to build their factories there. He doesn't represent this American.

655 akak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:39am

Hey look at that the dow is only down -125. Now if people stopped lying, maybe this stuff could get righted!

656 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:42am

re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?

I think because they know the government will never let them fail...

Nice job in picking up Ibanez...

657 CIA Reject  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:13:45am

re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?

Maybe they figure that they can retain all the perks for senior management that a bankruptcy court would require them to lose?

Don't know- just a guess.

658 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:14:06am

re: #500 Jed 1899

Plenty of fresh snow in the Adirondack Mt's this am.
Troy is in a state of emergency.Lots of ice to the south of the Dack's.

re: #500 Jed 1899

Troy is in a state of emergency....
You must be in Illinois.

; )

659 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:14:23am

re: #634 3 wood
Wait a minute - is the Tarp language elastic enough for Treasury to overrule Congress' decision to NOT give the BIG 3 the money they've asked for?
Who fucked up that legislative language?

660 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:14:34am

re: #639 FrogMarch

Speaking of Ponzi schemes, here's one that makes Enron and Worldcom look like a bunch of pikers.

661 lincolntf  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:03am

re: #642 Hard Right

I'll have to go look over some more news stories. I've seen a bunch of wishy-washy non-denial denials percolating but nothing too "big" yet. I know it's akin to beating a dead horse, but can you all imagine what the press coverage/tone would be if this were a Republican scandal? 60 Minutes specials, 24-hour stakeouts of everyone in Chicago politics, calls for resignations, tortured lists of connections and timelines connecting the Pres.-elect to every single dirty dealer involved, etc... It would be a feeding frenzy.

662 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:05am

re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?

Exactly. They will be forced to make green cars no one wants which will cause them to lose money and eventually go under anyway. Just do it right the first time you halfwits!

663 akak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:06am

re: #650 Rancher

They also have major financial and military support from Iran. Fatah has us. Will Obama continue supporting Fatah against Hamas?

Real Rancher

Hamas just got NIS 100 million from Israel.

664 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:32am
665 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:15:56am

re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds?

Because the hope to be run with Amtrak-like, steely efficiency.

666 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:02am

re: #627 taxfreekiller

He'll be picking feathers out his teeth in prison for awhile....
; )

667 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:05am

re: #659 realwest

TARP gives Treasury pretty much full discretion to use the money as it sees fit to solve the fiscal crisis, even with the regulations it has put in place.

The justification could be simply that this is to bolster GMAC and the other lending units for the automakers...

668 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:08am

It's like that ol' skit from 'In Living Color'

More Money, More Money, More Money...

That's all these assholes want, more money... It's sickening... It's disgraceful... Ae are becoming a socilaist country and there is NOTHING we can do about it...

HE HE... People cannot leve criticism at the men and women of the UAW.... HE HE HE....

669 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:12am

re: #634 3 wood

Bush Blinked.

The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.

Treasury to aid auto makers until Congress can act


Unfrigged believable. Does anyone else feel the utter helplessness?

670 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:28am

re: #594 ironbill

I've been checking some of the spin-offs, and a couple of them focus on Rahm Emanuel's contacts/discussions with Blago the Impaler.

Food for thought: Given The One's propensity for tossing friends overboard, how long till Rahm a long adingdong gets tossed?

(over board/under bus)

Rahm won't be one to just go silently under the bus, if his past activities are any indication. He's quite a loud mouth bully. That's why it's so odd that Rahm is in hiding right now, avoiding the press.

671 ironbill  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:16:30am

re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This is all about stasis. In 2005 or 6 I believe, GM's board seriously considered bankruptcy protection. The directors and the unions concluded that if they both had to go before a bankruptcy judge for restructuring both management and labor would have to take big cuts in compensation.

They looked at the big picture and said, how long can we keep the gravy train running vs. creating a sustainable business model

Gravy train won

672 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:01am

re: #627 taxfreekiller

Fox eats hen house.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Wow, that just made Marc Rich jealous.

673 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:12am

re: #647 midwestgak

and what the possible consequences are.

When you sign on the bottom line and take the Oath, you know you are not only suppose to "Drill" a certain number of weekends and also serve on "active duty" for a predetermined amount of time each year ( usually around 24 days- but that can vary ) but also you are subject to call up to ACTIVE DUTY when the need arises as is determined by your Command and under the Authority of the President of The United States. There is NO grey area.

674 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:19am

re: #644 Iron Fist

I recall something along those lines. Didn't they trow some people off of buildings during that little house party? Palestinians are so routinely violent that the various examples of it blend in together.

Kind of like an abstract painting only done in hate and bloodshed. Now that the One is taking office, maybe they can get an NEA grant or something for their continued hard work.

The hajj incident was last week, and I don't recall reading about another round of death-by-building.

675 rw in san diego  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:20am

Good morning, all. I just turned on the TV and am listening to a UAW spokesman excoriating the Republican Senators. Gah! I think the unions were a major factor in the problems with the American auto industry.

676 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:20am

re: #592 Hard Right

I'm very deliberate in my choice of words... :)

677 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:26am

Yet another anti-Israeli article in the Globe & Mail about the poor Palis forced to use tunnels to get around the Israeli blockade... to bring in much needed food, medicine, drugs, consumer electronics, hookers, guns & bombs. (OK, they didn't mention those last 4 items.)

The funny thing is they never mention the fact that Egypt has closed it's border with Gaza, too. Also, the tunnels all run to Egypt where a thriving smuggling business operates in the border town.

I have a few questions for knowledgeable LGFers:

Why did Egypt close their border? What is stopping them from opening the border? Why don't the Pali sympathizers ever protest the Egyptian blockade of Gaza? (OK, I know the answer to that one!)

678 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:35am

re: #646 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can anyone explain why The Big Three want to be owned by the Feds? Why wouldn't they just file for bankruptcy instead of begging the government to take them over?

Historically, big business gets into bed with big government to suppress competition...if they can't fail, there's no reason to make things better.

679 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:17:46am

Good Morning Lizards! I haven't been outside yet, so I can't tell you what it is doing in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. I can tell you it is not dark out.

How are you-all this morning and what are we talking about?

680 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:07am

re: #660 lawhawk

Speaking of Ponzi schemes, here's one that makes Enron and Worldcom look like a bunch of pikers.

And the Dems hang the whole thing on the Bush administration in 5...4...3...2...1...

681 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:11am

re: #580 midwestgak

Morning {jorline}

Good morning, {gak}.

682 Rancher  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:16am

re: #607 WriterMom
Wasn't that Bill Gates?

Real Rancher

683 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:25am
684 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:48am

re: #661 lincolntf

I'll have to go look over some more news stories. I've seen a bunch of wishy-washy non-denial denials percolating but nothing too "big" yet. I know it's akin to beating a dead horse, but can you all imagine what the press coverage/tone would be if this were a Republican scandal? 60 Minutes specials, 24-hour stakeouts of everyone in Chicago politics, calls for resignations, tortured lists of connections and timelines connecting the Pres.-elect to every single dirty dealer involved, etc... It would be a feeding frenzy.

Exactly. We would hear 24 hour reports demanding to know what the Rep knew and when he knew it. I'm on another site where a few obamatons are screaming about how unfair and overhyped this is. Another one went postal already. We have a bet going as to when another will snap.

685 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:18:54am

re: #656 tfc3rid

Nice job in picking up Ibanez...

What? When did that happen? I watched the sports news this morning before work & didn't hear about that.

686 Pietr  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:19:10am

Good Morning Senior Lizards and fellow Hatchlings. FNC has a UAW Spokesman on right now Begging for Tarp money for Chrysler and GMC. 'Hints' that UAW is prepared to make concessions....RIGHT. (Should have done that b4, if they are serious.) So what are we discussing?

687 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:19:19am

UAW hack reading email action alert from a GOP group...

688 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:19:35am

re: #654 Honorary Yooper
Good morning HY - do you support this action by the Treasury department?

689 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:19:47am

re: #660 lawhawk

Speaking of Ponzi schemes, here's one that makes Enron and Worldcom look like a bunch of pikers.

Wow.

Madoff is a former chairman of Nasdaq and was arrested after his two sons turned him in for running a business that has been insolvent for years. In other words, he pulled the wool over the eyes of regulators who are supposed to make sure that things like this don't happen.

Instapundit points out that Madoff was a big backer of Democrats,

Incredible.

690 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:20:11am

re: #669 midwestgak

Unfrigged believable. Does anyone else feel the utter helplessness?

Yes, because our auto industry has been tossed to to curb by our media and our government many times in the past. While other countries such as Japan, Korea, Germany, and China bolster their industries, we tell ours to drop dead. We have a media that actively denegrates them at every opportunity, as if they have a death wish for American industry. Any time Ford has a recall, it's large headlines and front page. Any time Toyota has a recall (and they have as many as Ford now), it's in the middle of the news, if it is reported at all.

691 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:20:39am

re: #685 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What? When did that happen? I watched the sports news this morning before work & didn't hear about that.

This morning... 3 years/$30 Million...

UAW hack saying that Big 3 bankruptcy would mean liquidation most likely... SCARE TACTICS....

692 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:20:43am

re: #654 Honorary Yooper

This is an interesting sentiment - those "foreign" plants are providing great wages and benefits to Americans. They are solvent, they aren't begging for cash anywhere. Those "foreign" plants have developed a manufacturing system "Lean" that other industries emulate. I don't see many industries emulating GM any longer, do you?

Who does the UAW represent, in your view?

(Not being snarky, I seriously am interested in learning more about why you feel this way)

693 father_of_10  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:14am

I want more money. How much should I charge the Democrats for my conversion?

694 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:16am

re: #634 3 wood

Bush Blinked.

The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.

Treasury to aid auto makers until Congress can act

See #174 supra - it's gonna happen!
Will the markets like this?

695 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:16am

The UAW keeps saying that bankruptcy is not an option? Why are GM and Chrysler so special? Better watch out your wishing for UAW!

696 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:20am

re: #679 ggt

Good Morning Lizards! I haven't been outside yet, so I can't tell you what it is doing in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. I can tell you it is not dark out.

How are you-all this morning and what are we talking about?

Morning ggt. It's sunny and cold.

697 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:29am

re: #676 lawhawk

I'm very deliberate in my choice of words... :)

I thought so. Heh.

698 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:46am

re: #688 realwest

Good morning HY - do you support this action by the Treasury department?

It's too little too late. When we should've had more support for the industry earlier, we were busy telling them to drop dead. No other country does this to its own industries.

699 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:21:55am

re: #650 Rancher

I don't think we have enough information on the Obamessiah to predict that. On the one hand, what we are doing now is ultimately a failure due to the intractibility of the Palestinian people. It won't work because they don't want it to work.

But moving towards support of Hamas or Hezbollah is a clear step backwards it terms of ever bringing real peace to the Middle East. Peace does not serve their (or their Master's) goals. I'm not sure that Hamas would play nice even if Obama offered to fellate them in Mecca in front of their Magic Rock.

It only takes one side to make a fight. That's something the Greenpeace/Code Pinko nut jobs don't seem to grasp. I'm not sure if Obama knows that or not. He probably believes that he'll be able to forge peace with his Satanic brilliant oral skills.

700 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:29am

re: #689 FrogMarch

His sons turned him in? Because they are honest, or because he didn't give them a cut?

701 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:38am

re: #657 CIA Reject
I'd say that's a damn good bet. The UAW is, IMO, the single biggest reason why 2* of the Big 3 are in such trouble, but they are followed pretty closely behind by years and years of incredibly inept, irresponsible and grossly overpaid management and Boards of Directors.
*Ford isn't looking for money now, just a sort of line of credit in case they run into cash flow problems next year.

702 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:39am

re: #690 Honorary Yooper

Yes, because our auto industry has been tossed to to curb by our media and our government many times in the past.

Um... actually, our government has ridden to their rescue in the past.

Detroit's problems are largely of their own making.

703 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:39am

Is the UAW dude not wearing a suit to show he is a friend of the working man?

704 tackle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:41am

Listening to these union guys say "bankruptcy is not an option" makes my head want to explode. These guys are in denial. Failure must be an option in order for growth. If you don't admit you have a problem, you can't change.
My brother's small business works with the auto industry and stands to lose alot of business if they do, but even he isn't hoping for a bailout.

705 ironbill  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:22:57am

I absolutely detest our legislators right now.

Here was a real opportunity to transform American industry.

Instead of a bail-out, Congress should have removed all the mountains of regulation the Big 3 are compelled to work under (cafe, emissions, California restrictions...)

The Democrats screwed the auto industry because they could never figure out who was their master: Enviro-nuts or Labor.

As critical as I am of the Republican party, this one, like the mortgage crisis rode in on a donkey and not an elephant.

706 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:18am
707 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:26am

re: #703 MandyManners

Is the UAW dude not wearing a suit to show he is a friend of the working man?

Want to guess at his salary?

708 father_of_10  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:38am

re: #698 Honorary Yooper

It's too little too late. When we should've had more support for the industry earlier, we were busy telling them to drop dead. No other country does this to its own industries.

The leaders of the auto industry should've shown a bit of spine at the bargaining table and told the UAW to stick it. They should've let the unions strike and then lock out the workers until the union caved. but it seems like NO ONE has a spine any more.

709 Steffan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:43am

re: #550 pingjockey

Damn, I was worried about that. Saw the trailer where Reeves says "your planet?" So it's a damn ecoreligion, preachy, bs? Crap.

It's always been an ecoreligion. Why do you think they always shut down debate?

Gore is doing it purely out of greed, but the others don't have that much of an investment in it....

710 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:52am

re: #692 ArmyWife

Actually, I don't give a damn about the UAW, they should've been told to fuck off in the 30s when they pulled their first sit-ins and strikes. What I see is people who give massive tax breaks to the foreign automakers, but tell our own to drop dead. It's hypocitical, IMHO.

711 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:53am

re: #696 midwestgak

Hey midwestgak, where are you?

712 Pietr  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:23:56am

re: #696 midwestgak

Good Morn-San Antonio up to 42F about now. I'm also awaiting topic list.

713 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:13am

Screw George Bush

"Facing the potential bankruptcy of iconic American firms, President Bush on Friday abandoned his longstanding objection to using using the Wall Street bailout fund to help save G.M. and Chrysler."

I want to see him and Paulson and Frank and Reid and Pelosi in orange jumpsuits. They are selling out this country and we will not be able to recover from the thievery and looting.

Wake up you fools they are raping us and pissing on our and our children's future.

I have called and called my Senator who is a worthless piece of crap and often just get hung up on. They have no desire to serve the poeple and feel they are untouchable and in many ways they are.

And then the looters give us Obama the corrupt piece of shot Chacago hack lying idiot is going to serve as president.

It is over, the republic is lost.

714 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:28am

re: #669 midwestgak

Sing along everyone....
Look for the union label....


Bush Securing votes for the next elections.

715 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:31am

re: #665 Occasional Reader
ROTFLMAO! Good morning O.R. - hope you're doing well this morning!

716 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:32am

re: #705 ironbill

Congress should have removed all the mountains of regulation the Big 3 are compelled to work under (cafe, emissions, California restrictions...)

You want NO emissions standards?!

I've lived in countries that had no real emissions standards. Believe me, it's not something you want.

717 Spider Mensch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:35am

Movie recommendation. "Arranged" My wife rented it recently for us. an Indy type film, about the friendship that develops between a single Orthodox Jewish girl and a single muslim girl who find out despite their obvious cultural differences they do have much in common regarding family traditional ways. Set in Brooklyn, it deals with arranged marriages from the women themselves and how they feel about it. I know we've touched this subject here before, but this film gives a different perspective on the subject.

check it out.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

718 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:44am

re: #694 Spare O'Lake

See #174 supra - it's gonna happen!
Will the markets like this?

DOW -119.71

719 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:24:53am

re: #713 Harry Tuttle

Screw George Bush

"Facing the potential bankruptcy of iconic American firms, President Bush on Friday abandoned his longstanding objection to using using the Wall Street bailout fund to help save G.M. and Chrysler."

I want to see him and Paulson and Frank and Reid and Pelosi in orange jumpsuits. They are selling out this country and we will not be able to recover from the thievery and looting.

Wake up you fools they are raping us and pissing on our and our children's future.

I have called and called my Senator who is a worthless piece of crap and often just get hung up on. They have no desire to serve the poeple and feel they are untouchable and in many ways they are.

And then the looters give us Obama the corrupt piece of shot Chacago hack lying idiot is going to serve as president.

It is over, the republic is lost.

Have you considered decaff?
///

720 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:03am

I'm back. So I'm not the only one appalled by this union thug?!

721 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:07am

re: #699 Iron Fist

"Peace does not serve their (or their Master's) goals."

Peace on their terms = slavery

722 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:18am

The UAW seems to hate the Republicans. Now I know I am on the correct side!

723 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:22am

re: #691 tfc3rid

This morning... 3 years/$30 Million...

UAW hack saying that Big 3 bankruptcy would mean liquidation most likely... SCARE TACTICS....

It eventually would mean liquidation; that is, selling off assets to other automakers (read: foreign). Who would buy cars made by a company that's in Chapter 11? After all, there's no guarantee that a company that goes into Chapter 11 will re-emerge from it. Buying cars isn't like buying VCRs, and if people thought there was a chance that their new car warranties would go away, they wouldn't buy.

724 Steffan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:22am

re: #610 Iron Fist

I'm hoping they impeach the Obamessiah before he takes the Oath of Office. Change!

(I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it, though)

Two words: President Biden.

725 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:45am

Little fucker won't meet the lower wage question head on.

726 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:25:54am

re: #652 Occasional Reader

Good morning. Good one!

That's pretty brave in my opinion...Those Palestinian activists have teh crazy in their eyes...I believe they are capable of serious violence.

727 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:04am

re: #710 Honorary Yooper

What I see is people who give massive tax breaks to the foreign automakers, but tell our own to drop dead.

What exactly are you referring to?

728 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:13am

re: #707 Nevergiveup

Want to guess at his salary?

$150,000.00?

729 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:16am

re: #702 Occasional Reader

Um... actually, our government has ridden to their rescue in the past.

Detroit's problems are largely of their own making.

Gerald Ford told them to "drop dead" in the mid-70s. The only "rescue" that was done was the loan given to Chrysler in the early 1980s. As for making their own problems, they did have a part in it, but I also lay a good part of the blame at the feet of the MSM. They created and maintained the image that people have today.

730 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:30am

re: #720 pingjockey

I'm back. So I'm not the only one appalled by this union thug?!

I'd like to know what his salary is? And no your not.

731 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:45am

re: #678 scottishbuzzsaw

Historically, big business gets into bed with big government to suppress competition...if they can't fail, there's no reason to make things better.

Like In Europe. Many European businesses are backed by a
behind-the-scenes government prop-up. The problem is-- that model kills incentive, it kills R & D, and it kills real market competition. Democrat socialists don't like competition.

732 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:46am

re: #716 Occasional Reader

You want NO emissions standards?!

I've lived in countries that had no real emissions standards. Believe me, it's not something you want.

But perhaps that's what makes their women so lovely?

733 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:26:58am

re: #728 MandyManners

$150,000.00?

Bet it's more than that? Anyone know here?

734 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:03am

re: #681 jorline
Good morning jorline! How are ya doing today?!

735 father_of_10  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:11am

re: #728 MandyManners

$150,000.00?

I'll bet he's one of Obama's legendary $250K+ people.

736 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:14am

re: #726 WriterMom

Those Palestinian activists have teh crazy in their eyes...I believe they are capable of serious violence

Palestinians? Capable of violence? Noooooo...! Get outta town!

737 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:14am

re: #719 Hard Right

Have you considered decaff?
///

If you aren't pissed you should be. I want my country back. This is not America.

738 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:20am

re: #730 Nevergiveup
Way more than I make I'm sure. His health plan is alot better too.

739 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:22am

re: #703 MandyManners

Is the UAW dude not wearing a suit to show he is a friend of the working man?

it's not cool to wear an Armani suit, while your pretending to be a friend of the rank and file working folk...

740 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:28am

re: #706 taxfreekiller

Hey, there's certainly no loss of HOPE around here.....
/

741 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:31am

re: #707 Nevergiveup

Want to guess at his salary?

$300,000 annual salary. $10 MM end-of-year bonus?

742 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:49am

Why doesn't Fox put this punk's name up on the screen?

743 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:27:54am

'The only way to ensure workers have a voice and equality is thought Unions...'

Give me a break...

744 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:01am

re: #710 Honorary Yooper

Actually, I don't give a damn about the UAW, they should've been told to fuck off in the 30s when they pulled their first sit-ins and strikes. What I see is people who give massive tax breaks to the foreign automakers, but tell our own to drop dead. It's hypocitical, IMHO.

Yes, look at Richard Shelby in Alabama. Daimler-Benz got hundreds of millions in tax breaks and other perks, to locate their plant in Vance, the one that builds ML-Class SUVs.

745 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:03am

re: #710 Honorary Yooper

I grew-up in Detroit during the 70's when they bBig-3 were really hurting. It was not fun, bad economic times invite crime.

I am glad I don't live there anymore.

746 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:06am

re: #723 Ward Cleaver

It eventually would mean liquidation; that is, selling off assets to other automakers (read: foreign). Who would buy cars made by a company that's in Chapter 11? After all, there's no guarantee that a company that goes into Chapter 11 will re-emerge from it. Buying cars isn't like buying VCRs, and if people thought there was a chance that their new car warranties would go away, they wouldn't buy.

Well, wouldn't that free them from the union contracts? If people hear they will then be able to turn a profit, I think they would still buy. Besides, their cars are cheaper than than the Japanese cars.

747 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:27am

UAW and Detroit have no Credibility!

748 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:49am

re: #703 MandyManners

Yeah, yous got a pwoblem wid dat?
(sound of knuckles cracking)

749 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:50am
750 tackle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:53am

This union guy isn't making the unions look very good. He comes acrossed as a jerk. I don't want to be lectured on the value of unions. What have you done for me lately?

751 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:28:57am

re: #718 midwestgak

DOW -119.71

Don't worry. Once the big three file for bankruptcy, throw the corrupt UAW out, re-organize, they will come back strong.

752 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:07am

re: #711 ggt

Hey midwestgak, where are you?

Westchester

753 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:09am

re: #707 Nevergiveup

Want to guess at his salary?


Well we already know his salary can afford a whole closet of Versace suits.

754 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:18am

re: #744 Ward Cleaver

Yes, look at Richard Shelby in Alabama. Daimler-Benz got hundreds of millions in tax breaks and other perks, to locate their plant in Vance, the one that builds ML-Class SUVs.

I'm sure if the US auto makers wanted a plant built in a certain place they would get the tax breaks as well...

755 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:19am

re: #710 Honorary Yooper

OK. I think we should give incentives to business who want to come here. Louisiana is great at this. If you don't tax them to oblivion, they will come. Has the Auto industry considered moving to a more business friendly area? The UAW would have a cow, but the UAW cows are what created this debacle, along with management's unwillingness to take the thuggery on.

I will say this, the UAW would be MASTERS at a corporate campaign, smearing the snot out of management and intimidating their families. Not an excuse, but I can see it being an issue. Heck, in my little corner of labor, I get threats during negotiations - last year I had to have a guard at my house because my husband was in Iraq. Union leaders. Loverly people.

756 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:23am

re: #743 tfc3rid

'The only way to ensure workers have a voice and equality is thought Unions...'

Give me a break...

I don't like the UAW either, but to be fair to them, they've accepted major pay cuts. Now they need to give up on the jobs bank.

757 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:29am

re: #737 Harry Tuttle

If you aren't pissed you should be. I want my country back. This is not America.

I choose to express my anger in different ways, that's all.

758 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:41am

re: #732 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But perhaps that's what makes their women so lovely?

Maybe Revlon should start a smog-based line of cosmetics?

759 rw in san diego  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:41am

re: #720 pingjockey

No, you're not! This guy is aggravating my ulcer.

760 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:47am

re: #713 Harry Tuttle

Nice positive post from someone who doesn't post very often.

/Harry Tuttle? gah

761 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:29:52am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

I know, call me crazy!

762 tackle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:01am

re: #728 MandyManners

$150,000.00?

You think he could afford a better looking shirt. Oh, wait, Mandy reminded us he's a man of the people.

763 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:15am

re: #739 Dustyvet

it's not cool to wear an Armani suit, while your pretending to be a friend of the rank and file working folk...

When the City transit workers in Philadelphia went on strike a few years ago, their spokesman was the biggest slob they could find. Shabby clothes, bad teeth - says a lot about the union dental plan!

764 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:18am

Corker will be on FNC in a moment...

765 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:36am

re: #713 Harry Tuttle

Screw George Bush

"Facing the potential bankruptcy of iconic American firms, President Bush on Friday abandoned his longstanding objection to using using the Wall Street bailout fund to help save G.M. and Chrysler."

I want to see him and Paulson and Frank and Reid and Pelosi in orange jumpsuits. They are selling out this country and we will not be able to recover from the thievery and looting.

Wake up you fools they are raping us and pissing on our and our children's future.

I have called and called my Senator who is a worthless piece of crap and often just get hung up on. They have no desire to serve the poeple and feel they are untouchable and in many ways they are.

And then the looters give us Obama the corrupt piece of shot Chacago hack lying idiot is going to serve as president.

It is over, the republic is lost.

And we have Cap and Trade to look forward to.

766 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:30:42am

re: #749 taxfreekiller

Bring the Marines home, let the build the cars, if the U.A.W. thugs try to stop them, good luck union thugs.

the cars could be built now with 1/2 the labor current on the dole at GM

Actually with the newest UAW contracts, there's no longer a huge difference in pay between the UAW plants, and the non-union transplants.

767 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:00am

The Unions aren't to blame alone, it is the people with controlling the purse with their hands in your pocket.

Down with king George!

No taxation without representation!

768 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:07am

re: #698 Honorary Yooper
NO - we didn't tell our industries to drop dead, our industries - airlines, airplane manufacturers, all sorts, have been done in by their own greed - labor and management.
And what other nations would you wish us to emulate in saving "our" industries?

769 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:16am

re: #714 notutopia

You really think the Unions will remember that Bush did this? HA! They will be back to hating on big corporations (those same ones signing the paychecks), and saying Republicans hate "the working man".

770 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:17am

re: #749 taxfreekiller

Bring the Marines home, let the build the cars, if the U.A.W. thugs try to stop them, good luck union thugs.

the cars could be built now with 1/2 the labor current on the dole at GM

Wonder if Ford would make the 105 MM Howitzer on the Crown Victoria standard or an option?

771 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:42am

re: #756 Ward Cleaver

I don't like the UAW either, but to be fair to them, they've accepted major pay cuts. Now they need to give up on the jobs bank.

I think that both the Union and the Big 3 must realize that bad business practice and models lead to failing business...

Fix it... Take the time and the effort to fix it... Don't rely on the government...

772 ironbill  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:53am

re: #716 Occasional Reader

I didn't say "no emissions standards"

what I was alluding to was the fact that the automakers have 3 different regulatory standards within the US as to emission controls for gasoline powered vehicles.

Compliance with these standards means they have to build a different car for California, a different car for New York, a different car for...

That's a lot of overhead. Just make it simple.

California wants to make auto manufacturers liable for air pollution to the tune of several billion dollars. This is insanity. Why stay in business.

773 father_of_10  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:31:54am

re: #756 Ward Cleaver

I don't like the UAW either, but to be fair to them, they've accepted major pay cuts. Now they need to give up on the jobs bank.

Major pay cuts? From who? Just what is the STARTING wage of a UAW person? Isn't it like $23 an hour? For a high school drop out, unskilled laborer? Give me a break. UAW workers are underskilled, overpaid parasites.

774 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:15am

re: #765 midwestgak

And we have Cap and Trade to look forward to.

Cap and trade and card check will utterly destory this country.

775 Alouette  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:30am

re: #558 WriterMom

They have one-Jordan.

They have two--Jordan and Egypt.

776 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:30am

re: #750 tackle

he Added 2000.00 to the overhead cost of the next vehicle you purchase...re: #750 tackle

This union guy isn't making the unions look very good. He comes acrossed as a jerk. I don't want to be lectured on the value of unions. What have you done for me lately?

777 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:35am

re: #761 WriterMom

I know, call me crazy!

*biting tongue*

Good morning, WriterMom...

778 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:43am

re: #758 Occasional Reader

Maybe Revlon should start a smog-based line of cosmetics?

It adds color to your cheeks and lungs!

779 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:49am

IIRC, back in the 90s, McDonald Douglas was going to build a plant in Cula Vista, Ca. South of San Diego, between the State regulations and the Union the company went to Arkansas. Cheaper labor, non-union and tax breaks.

780 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:54am

re: #703 MandyManners

Is the UAW dude not wearing a suit to show he is a friend of the working man?


It's all smoke and mirrors - and major manipulation. If the big three are allowed to go bankrupt - the UAW might be toast. Which is great news for Detroit.

The UAW is desperate.

781 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:55am

Hey Mr. Middlefinger, President of the UAW. I don't two shits what Toyota, Honda and Nissan are paying their workers. The companies you represent are broke and asking for our money. This means everyone in the Big Three have to make concessions and cut cost. I'm sure if the worker you represent would want 80% of what they currently have than 100% of nothing.

782 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:56am

re: #766 Ward Cleaver

There is a HUGE difference in benefits, though, most especially retiree - and those are not a mandatory subject of bargaining.

783 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:32:59am

re: #757 Hard Right

I choose to express my anger in different ways, that's all.

Yes and I can see how far that has gotten us.

Everybody just cool down and listen to the orders of your betters.

Just shut up and do what you are told.

Sheep.

784 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:16am

re: #752 midwestgak

Cook County --I am so sorry.

785 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:18am

Here is a reminder of what a true leader is.

Reagan's Westminster Speech

The decay of the Soviet experiment should come as no surprise to us. Wherever the comparisons have been made between free and closed societies -- West Germany and East Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia, Malaysia and Vietnam -- it is the democratic countries what are prosperous and responsive to the needs of their people. And one of the simple but overwhelming facts of our time is this: Of all the millions of refugees we've seen in the modern world, their flight is always away from, not toward the Communist world. Today on the NATO line, our military forces face east to prevent a possible invasion. On the other side of the line, the Soviet forces also face east to prevent their people from leaving.

In the Middle East now the guns sound once more, this time in Lebanon, a country that for too long has had to endure the tragedy of civil war, terrorism, and foreign intervention and occupation. The fighting in Lebanon on the part of all parties must stop, and Israel should bring its forces home. But this is not enough. We must all work to stamp out the scourge of terrorism that in the Middle East makes war an ever-present threat.

Well, the task I've set forth will long outlive our own generation. But together, we too have come through the worst. Let us now begin a major effort to secure the best -- a crusade for freedom that will engage the faith and fortitude of the next generation. For the sake of peace and justice, let us move toward a world in which all people are at last free to determine their own destiny.

I believe we have come to a point in our nation's, and indeed the world's, history, when such a leader is needed again. Let us pray that one comes along soon.

786 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:20am

re: #703 MandyManners
George Carlin (rip) once said "The primary job of a Union Executive is to insure that he never becomes a memeber of the Working Class."
And George was only half-kidding. Maybe less than half.

787 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:32am

re: #777 scottishbuzzsaw

I can't believe nobody did...

788 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:43am

re: #769 ArmyWife

You really think the Unions will remember that Bush did this? HA! They will be back to hating on big corporations (those same ones signing the paychecks), and saying Republicans hate "the working man".

They already are sayign that 'some' Republicans hate Unions and are out to break the Union...

789 tackle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:33:56am

re: #767 Harry Tuttle

I'm so disappointed with Bush. In his waning days he has a chance to stand for something and he just wants to make nice with everyone.

790 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:34:03am

re: #729 Honorary Yooper

Gerald Ford told them to "drop dead" in the mid-70s.

Well, they were also largely making cars that sucked donkey balls in the mid-70s.

The only "rescue" that was done was the loan given to Chrysler in the early 1980s

Don't forget the "voluntary" import limits that were wrested out of the Japanese during the 80s.

but I also lay a good part of the blame at the feet of the MSM. They created and maintained the image that people have today.

Sorry, I just don't see it. If Detroit had been consistently turning out high-quality vehicles at good prices, it would have been hard to convince people otherwise; they have real, personal experience with their cars.

Now, somewhat ironically, it's true that quality has improved in Detroit in recent years, even as they steered toward the cliff in terms of their business model.

791 Steffan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:34:22am

re: #749 taxfreekiller

Bring the Marines home, let the build the cars, if the U.A.W. thugs try to stop them, good luck union thugs.

the cars could be built now with 1/2 the labor current on the dole at GM

I read someplace (might have been the WSJ) that it's mostly the insane pension and health plans that are driving up the cost of labor for the formerly big three. The UAW has more retirees than active, working members on its list.

792 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:34:37am

re: #763 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think Michael Moore plays this angle as well . . . . .

793 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:34:42am

re: #779 pingjockey

IIRC, back in the 90s, McDonald Douglas was going to build a plant in Cula Vista, Ca. South of San Diego, between the State regulations and the Union the company went to Arkansas. Cheaper labor, non-union and tax breaks.

McDonnell-Douglas, not McDonald! They weren't making Big Macs & F-15s! ;)

794 quickjustice  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:00am

re: #723 Ward Cleaver

Since one of my specialties is Chapter 11 bankruptcy, I'll reply as follows: The Big Three U.S. automakers really have no choice unless they become profitable overnight. Four out of five Chapter 11 reorganization efforts fail, because management can't figure out how to become profitable.

Chapter 11 give the corporations the opportunity to figure out how to become profitable by dumping their unprofitable contracts (including labor agreements), transferring their underfunded pension plans to the U.S. government (a legally sanctioned bailout worth billions of dollars to the companies without any congressional action), and streamlining their operations to become profitable. If they can't figure out how to become profitable with those legal tools available to them, they'll fail.

I'd say there's no other real choice.

795 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:02am

re: #734 realwest

Good morning jorline! How are ya doing today?!

Good morning, RW. I'm well...thanks. How's everything with you?

796 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:18am

re: #781 jorline

Hey Mr. Middlefinger, President of the UAW. I don't two shits what Toyota, Honda and Nissan are paying their workers. The companies you represent are broke and asking for our money. This means everyone in the Big Three have to make concessions and cut cost. I'm sure if the worker you represent would want 80% of what they currently have than 100% of nothing.

You know he can't wait for Card Check... Then Toyota, Honda and Nissan workers will join the UAW...

797 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:27am

re: #748 Kenneth

Yeah, yous got a pwoblem wid dat?
(sound of knuckles cracking)

*meow*

798 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:28am

Call and thank Bob Corker and the Republicans who stood up to the corrupt Unions. Lord knows the in-bed-with-the-unions corruptocrats will never do the right thing.

[Link: www.numbersusa.com...]

799 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:34am

re: #789 tackle

I'm so disappointed with Bush. In his waning days he has a chance to stand for something and he just wants to make nice with everyone.

I voted for him twice. Disappointed is not the word I am thinking of.

800 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:40am

re: #793 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Oh crap! You are correct! More caffine!

801 Pietr  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:43am

re: #783 Harry Tuttle

Not Nice.....Consider your words more carefully.

802 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:44am

I must have missed it, then. You know, if the Palestinians were anybody else, they'd be considered war criminals and haters by the same media that fawns over them today. They've done more to bring about a Palestinian genocide than any outside group or agency has. If they weren't so busy hating and trying to kill the Jews, the Palestianians would probably have wiped each other out by now.

The Palestinian culture has only one uniting theme, and that is the hatred of Jews. I don't think that that will ever be sufficient common ground to make a successful Palestinian State. Unless and until that changes, I don't think it will be productive to keep persuing the so-called "Roadmap to Peace" that Clinton began early in his tenure as President.

803 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:35:48am

re: #772 ironbill

Okay. Sorry for the misread.

804 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:00am

re: #781 jorline

Hey Mr. Middlefinger, President of the UAW. I don't two shits what Toyota, Honda and Nissan are paying their workers. The companies you represent are broke and asking for our money. This means everyone in the Big Three have to make concessions and cut cost. I'm sure if the worker you represent would want 80% of what they currently have than 100% of nothing.

Just a note. Ford has pulled out of the begging. I posted about it yesterday, I will try to find that article and post it again.

805 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:17am

re: #789 tackle

I'm so disappointed with Bush. In his waning days he has a chance to stand for something and he just wants to make nice with everyone.

No, I really do believe that he thinks he is standing for something...

806 father_of_10  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:17am

re: #793 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

McDonnell-Douglas, not McDonald! They weren't making Big Macs & F-15s! ;)

Add a fry daddy to the cockpit! Shoot Sidewinders and drop filet o' fish on the enemy!

807 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:36am

re: #783 Harry Tuttle

Yes and I can see how far that has gotten us.

Everybody just cool down and listen to the orders of your betters.

Just shut up and do what you are told.

Sheep.

Uh-huh. And so your plan is... what, exactly?

808 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:58am

re: #634 3 wood

Bush Blinked.

The UAW is now officially on the public payroll.

Treasury to aid auto makers until Congress can act

damnit, damnit...damnit

809 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:59am

re: #710 Honorary Yooper
HY - I really don't want to fight with you on this, but those tax breaks to foreign automakers created tens of thousands of jobs for folks right here in the USA.
At least there was some thought behind it. This bailout of Detroit is NOTHING but politics. Bankruptcy does not mean going out of business, it means restructuring to make it an industry that can actually turn a profit. Lower Union wages and benefits and lower - I hope MUCH LOWER - management salaries and perks.

810 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:36:59am

Glad that's over.

811 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:00am

re: #790 Occasional Reader

Well, they were also largely making cars that sucked donkey balls in the mid-70s.

Surely you don't mean The Pinto or The Pacer, do you?

812 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:07am

re: #806 father_of_10
Carpet bomb with McRibs!

813 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:23am

re: #794 quickjustice

The airlines seemed to have come thought the process all right...

814 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:31am

re: #804 Ford_Prefect

Just a note. Ford has pulled out of the begging. I posted about it yesterday, I will try to find that article and post it again.

Here it is.

815 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:43am

re: #804 Ford_Prefect

Just a note. Ford has pulled out of the begging. I posted about it yesterday, I will try to find that article and post it again.

Agree, Ford. I read about it this morning. Good for them...restructure and hold your head high.

816 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:46am

re: #811 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Remember the K car?

817 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:37:59am
818 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:00am

re: #806 father_of_10

Add a fry daddy to the cockpit! Shoot Sidewinders and drop filet o' fish on the enemy!

Umm, BBQ Pork sandwich's would be better...:)

819 Spider Mensch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:06am

auto unions..heh..here's a true story, I can't put too many details into it to protect the innocent..but an associate of mine supplies certain equipment to one of the automakers. he is in charge of the field techs who do maintenance on said equipment. They needed to do some work on the equipment, and wanted to do it over a weekend to not interfere with the automakers Monday thru Friday production. Would need one, One!, UAW union electrician on site to disconnect power to the equipment to do the maintenance then re hook up power to test it and then do a final re connect after the work was done. One electrician could do this. My associate was told by the automaker management that if they do it on the weekend 18 electricians would have to be paid for and be on site! 18 UAW union electricians for a one man job. unbelievable. Thats the problem in a nutshell.

820 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:18am

Later folks!

821 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:28am

More and more I find myself agreeing with this guy. Until the American public gets really mad and starts loudly protesting and breaking things, our corrupt political culture is not likely to change. Phone calls to Senators and Congressmen are not getting the job done.

Face it, corrupt and arrogant politicans do not fear an indolent and apathetic citizenry. They fear an volatile and angry citzenry.

822 DistantThunder  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:30am

re: #794 quickjustice

Since one of my specialties is Chapter 11 bankruptcy, I'll reply as follows: The Big Three U.S. automakers really have no choice unless they become profitable overnight. Four out of five Chapter 11 reorganization efforts fail, because management can't figure out how to become profitable.

Chapter 11 give the corporations the opportunity to figure out how to become profitable by dumping their unprofitable contracts (including labor agreements), transferring their underfunded pension plans to the U.S. government (a legally sanctioned bailout worth billions of dollars to the companies without any congressional action), and streamlining their operations to become profitable. If they can't figure out how to become profitable with those legal tools available to them, they'll fail.

I'd say there's no other real choice.

It would be tough enough for them to accomplish this - but in addition they have to become profitable during a recession. I say: game over.

823 DisturbedEma  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:40am

Just watched the UAW "statement" and got an idea for a new drinking game-

Every time GOP/GOP Caucus/Republicians references- take a shot! You will have a .40 BAC in no time. . .

I guess now I am wondering, is it really just the UAW is pissed that they do not get a book of checks from the magic money account- where money disappears and no one knows where it goes?

824 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:38:51am

re: #760 ggt

Nice positive post from someone who doesn't post very often.

/Harry Tuttle? gah

Excuse me if I don't post every five bleeping minutes. I actually have a job and have to produce things for the looters to steal.

Who the hell are you to gah me. gah you.

825 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:12am

re: #796 tfc3rid

You know he can't wait for Card Check... Then Toyota, Honda and Nissan workers will join the UAW...

I'd love to see them deal with the UAW. I'd be laughing my ass off as they attempt to deal with those UAW jerks.

826 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:17am

fuck palestine

[Link: carlosmiller.com...]

827 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:22am

Corker is pissed and is going to call Geddlefinger immediately...

828 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:29am

re: #793 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

McDonnell-Douglas, not McDonald! They weren't making Big Macs & F-15s! ;)

Little has been published about the nefarious connections between the fast food industry and arms production. For instance, remember that Uzi-like machinepistol, the Big MAC-10?

/

829 Steffan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:35am

re: #756 Ward Cleaver

I don't like the UAW either, but to be fair to them, they've accepted major pay cuts. Now they need to give up on the jobs bank.

We can dream, right?

The working class can kiss my ass
I'm on the Jobs Bank list at last
I'm off the job, I'm on the dole
You can shove work ethics up your hole

830 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:39:37am

Did you know that Union people built the pyramids? It was originally designed as a cube. Each shift did a little less till the last said 'throw a rock on top and lets go home'.

831 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:40:17am

re: #816 pingjockey

Remember the K car?

Yep, we had one, and it served us well for over 14 years.

832 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:40:19am

re: #821 Dirk Diggler

More and more I find myself agreeing with this guy. Until the American public gets really mad and starts loudly protesting and breaking things, our corrupt political culture is not likely to change. Phone calls to Senators and Congressmen are not getting the job done.

Face it, corrupt and arrogant politicans do not fear an indolent and apathetic citizenry. They fear an volatile and angry citzenry.

Didn't Demint say there will be riots if the bail-out goes through?

833 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:40:38am

Damn it Bush, if you cave into these UAW bloodsuckers, YOU REALLY [EXPLETIVE DELETED] SUCK!

General Motors Corporation (GM) Key Statistics

Market Cap (intraday): 2.24B
Total Cash (mrq): 15.90B
Total Debt (mrq): 45.16B

Giving them $15B will in no way solve this math problem, it's just throwing good taxpayer money down a hole!

/[expletive deleted] these assholes, Chapter 11 is the only way GM has a chance of ever being viable

834 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:40:50am

AFL-CIO:
American Federation of Leaches, Criminals, Ingrates, and Oddballs

835 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:29am

re: #784 ggt

Cook County --I am so sorry.

My shoulders are beginning to hunch.

836 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:31am

re: #744 Ward Cleaver
And how many Americans got jobs there working at that plant?

837 Iron Fist  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:42am

re: #724 Steffan

Oh, Biden will, if anything, be more incompetant than the Obamessiah. However, I can't see the Congress being so slavishly devoted to Biden like they are to Obama. He'll be able to accomplish fewer of his bad policies. I think that's a net gain for the Republic, but I'll admit it's a damned unsatisfactory one.

838 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:48am

While we are busy railing against the auto bailouts, I have a few questions worth considering:

If there are no bailouts, what then?
How many automakers go under?
How many people lose their jobs?
What about the smaller companies that supply parts to the Big Three?
What about all the small businesses in the towns where autoworkers live? How many more businesses will fail?
How many more people will lose their jobs?
When all those people lose their jobs, how many will lose their homes?
How many more bank failures?

And so on....and so on...

It seems to me this isn't just about the CEOs & the union fatcats. The ramifications on the economy of the whole country will be huge. Go ahead, stick it to the unions, screw the CEOs. Tell the gov't to do nothing. Then sit back and watch what happens.

839 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:41:52am

re: #830 Dustyvet

Did you know that Union people built the pyramids? It was originally designed as a cube. Each shift did a little less till the last said 'throw a rock on top and lets go home'.

LOL

840 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:42:18am

Back off, Bush.

If he steps in and bails them out- he's no better than a two- bit corruptocrat (D).

841 onslow  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:42:28am

The 50 Worst Cars of All Time

842 ironbill  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:42:48am

Anyway... How long till "not the Rahm Emanuel I knew?"

843 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:42:53am

A man walks down the road, but stops at a peculiar sight. Two union guys are working by the side of the road, but the first is simply digging holes while the second is filling them up. Curiousity gets the best of the walker, so he asks the men what they are doing.

"We're a post-hole crew," says the first.

"But what about the posts?"

The other union guy answers, "we're a three man crew -- Bob digs the holes, I fill them, and Charlie puts the posts in, but he's out sick today."

844 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:43:29am

re: #816 pingjockey

Remember the K car?

Now we're talking early 80s; and the K car actually wasn't all that bad. Not glamorous, but decent value for the money.

845 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:43:30am

re: #824 Harry Tuttle

I don't know Harry, 57 posts in 4 years?

Wasn't "Harry Tuttle" a fictitous person created by Hawkeye Pierce to scam things from the Army --in M*A*S*H?

846 jorline  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:43:37am

re: #814 Ford_Prefect

Here it is.

Thanks....Hey, Ford...take a look at this.

I collect Matchbox Original Wheels 1953-1969. I have the green model in my display case.

847 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:43:45am

re: #805 tfc3rid


Its the "something" he is currently standing for that I have a problem with. I won't jump ship, but I am going to let them know how I feel.

848 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:44:19am

re: #797 MandyManners

LOL!

Oh yeah?

849 quickjustice  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:44:22am

re: #822 DistantThunder

The U.S. government could provide post [bankruptcy] petition financing (giving the government a first lien on all assets ahead of the senior bank lenders) to tide them over in their downsized and streamlined configuration, for the next year. By then we should be in economic recovery unless Obama's team sours the economy further.

Post-petition financing, ahead of the senior bank lenders, provides much more protection for taxpayers.

850 notutopia  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:44:25am

re: #769 ArmyWife

I am not rationalizing for the Pres. I really think he feels he must do whatever he can to keep the auto industry afloat while he exists office and turns the keys over to Obama. The unions are very powerful in Washington and their lobbyists grease the palms of many of the legislators. This is all political play. Obama has repayment debts to appease to them for their support in placing him in office. They just want to maintain their stronghold in their position of control of the automakers.
They feign it over their concern for the working man and the US economy. Those workers really believe this tale.
It was their wage and hour and no competition in controlling the workers that got them into this near bankruptcy predicament to begin with.
Again, We the taxpayers pay for the union corruption. Our next vehicle purchase will cost 2000.00 more.

851 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:44:40am

re: #835 midwestgak

LOL!

852 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:44:54am

re: #759 rw in san diego
Hey rw! Don't let this shit aggravate your ulcer at all.
Ultimately, at the pace with which GM alone is losing money, there won't be any of the 700 Billion left to bail them out.
And where the hell is a President Obama gonna find the damn money to keep the automakers going THEN?!

853 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:16am

re: #841 onslow

The 50 Worst Cars of All Time

Linky no worky.

854 DisturbedEma  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:32am

re: #852 realwest

Hey rw! Don't let this shit aggravate your ulcer at all.
Ultimately, at the pace with which GM alone is losing money, there won't be any of the 700 Billion left to bail them out.
And where the hell is a President Obama gonna find the damn money to keep the automakers going THEN?!

Unicorn Futures on the Market. . .

855 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:35am

re: #838 Kenneth

If there are no bailouts, what then?

Chapter 11. Which exists for a reason, and need not be the end of the world.

856 quickjustice  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:37am

re: #838 Kenneth

Current calculation is that if the automakers fail, unemployment jumps about 2%. As part of that workforce finds other jobs, the percentage drops by about half.

857 father_of_10  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:41am

re: #812 pingjockey

Carpet bomb with McRibs!

See, mergers can be a good thing!

858 Spider Mensch  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:42am

re: #845 ggt

I don't know Harry, 57 posts in 4 years?

Wasn't "Harry Tuttle" a fictitous person created by Hawkeye Pierce to scam things from the Army --in M*A*S*H?

from his childhood.."who wet the bed? Tuttle did!"

859 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:45am

re: #852 realwest

Hey rw! Don't let this shit aggravate your ulcer at all.
Ultimately, at the pace with which GM alone is losing money, there won't be any of the 700 Billion left to bail them out.
And where the hell is a President Obama gonna find the damn money to keep the automakers going THEN?!

Well how much would China pay for ALL our national security secrets?

860 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:47am

re: #517 WriterMom

Good morning: Check this out.
The Lone Jew and the Palestinian Protestors
Hat tip: Jawa Report

I wonder what would have happened had this taken place in any other country?
Simply awesome.

861 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:49am

re: #845 ggt

Get the trollbane. This one's dropped a few stinkers before.

862 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:53am

re: #838 Kenneth

They go into Chapter 11, the government finances the bankruptcy and guarantees the warranties to bolster consumer confidence.

/GM keeps making cars while the untenable nonsense gets sorted out by a bankruptcy judge

863 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:55am
864 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:45:55am

Later.

865 DisturbedEma  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:03am

re: #853 Honorary Yooper

Linky no worky.

I must be tired, that sounds kind of dirty to me. . .:)

866 Nevergiveup  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:21am

re: #853 Honorary Yooper

Linky no worky.

Well it did say worst of all time. Why would you presume it would work?

867 midwestgak  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:22am

re: #808 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

damnit, damnit...damnit


That's what Obama's handlers say everytime he answers an uscripted question. (repeating myself - said that yesterday too.)

868 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:22am

re: #845 ggt

I don't know Harry, 57 posts in 4 years?

Wasn't "Harry Tuttle" a fictitous person created by Hawkeye Pierce to scam things from the Army --in M*A*S*H?

Captain Tuttle...:) A great solider, he was a druid...reformed...he could pray to small bushes.

869 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:46:25am

re: #845 ggt

I don't know Harry, 57 posts in 4 years?

Wasn't "Harry Tuttle" a fictitous person created by Hawkeye Pierce to scam things from the Army --in M*A*S*H?

Harry Tuttle was the rogue home repair man in "Brazil". I loved that movie.

870 Steffan  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:05am

re: #779 pingjockey

IIRC, back in the 90s, McDonald Douglas was going to build a plant in Cula Vista, Ca. South of San Diego, between the State regulations and the Union the company went to Arkansas. Cheaper labor, non-union and tax breaks.

When I was a kid, there were a lot of factories in SoCal. McDonnell Douglas, Northrop, Ford, GM, Chrysler, you name it, they had a plant here.

The very business-unfriendly CA state government has driven nearly all of them out of state, and the global warmenism the morons in Sacramento just adopted will drive out what's left.

I fail to see how you can balance a state budget while destroying its tax base. I've never seen a whole state sleeping on a park bench before.

871 realwest  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:15am

re: #766 Ward Cleaver
Do you know what the difference is - if it isn't huge, I mean?
Seriously, what's the prospective UAW worker going to get per hour in wages and benefits vs. those of the "Little 3"?

872 ggt  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:20am

re: #858 Spider Mensch

Good call!

873 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:21am

re: #856 quickjustice

OK, what are the assumptions of that "current speculation"? Does it include the knock-on effects?

874 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:23am
875 ironbill  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:24am

Learned about the birds and bees in this icon of Detroit's hay day.Your text to link...

876 father_of_10  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:40am

re: #853 Honorary Yooper

Linky no worky.

See, the cars weren't that bad afterall, that's why the link failed!

877 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:43am

re: #852 realwest

Hey rw! Don't let this shit aggravate your ulcer at all.
Ultimately, at the pace with which GM alone is losing money, there won't be any of the 700 Billion left to bail them out.
And where the hell is a President Obama gonna find the damn money to keep the automakers going THEN?!

Start up the printing press... Print more... Don't worry about the rising inflation...

878 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Dec 12, 2008 7:47:48am

re: