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Rahm Emanuel Talked with Blagojevich About Obama's Senate Seat

Politics | Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:12:17 am PST

So now, the question becomes, “Why did Barack Obama flatly deny that any discussions took place?” He had to have known about Emanuel’s talks with Blagojevich; it’s hard to see this as anything other than a lie.

Rahm Emanuel talked with governor’s office about who should fill Obama’s Senate seat.

Emanuel, who has long been close to both Blagojevich and Obama, has refused to respond to questions about any involvement he may have had with the Blagojevich camp over the Senate pick. A spokeswoman for Emanuel also declined to comment Friday.

One source confirmed that communications between Emanuel and the Blagojevich administration were captured on court-approved wiretaps.

Another source said that contact between the Obama camp and the governor’s administration regarding the Senate seat began the Saturday before the Nov. 4 election, when Emanuel made a call to the cell phone of Harris. The conversation took place around the same time press reports surfaced about Emanuel being approached about taking the high-level White House post should Obama win.

Emanuel delivered a list of candidates who would be “acceptable” to Obama, the source said. On the list were Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett, Illinois Veterans Affairs director Tammy Duckworth, state Comptroller Dan Hynes and U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Chicago, the source said. All are Democrats.

Sometime after the election, Emanuel called Harris back to add the name of Democratic Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan to the approved list, the source said.

(Hat tip: 3 wood.)

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1 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:12:43am

I hate liars, too.

2 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:13:39am

"Approved List" What exactly does that mean?

3 Ron Shaw  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:14:03am

The MSM and his followers do not care one atom about Obama's lies.

More of the same, here.

4 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:14:04am

Time to start the "O-mpeach" movement.

5 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:15:06am

Hopey Changey Wanted To Move In Early To DC's "Blair House"


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

6 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:15:15am

The Chicago machine of corruption - how nice for us.

7 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:15:41am

And it would have been easy to tell the truth, right off. Why must politicians lie?/
Ok, that was a dumb question.

8 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:16:25am

I see that Chez Mousey needs more popcorn. This is shaking out to be quite a mess for "O".

9 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:16:28am

re: #5 Dustyvet

Hopey Changey Wanted To Move In Early To DC's "Blair House"


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

And our great gubmint said, Get a room at the Motel 6, bud.
Hooray for our side!

10 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:16:29am

re: #4 zombie

Time to start the "O-mpeach" movement.

Oy.

I do not relish that idea. Really.

11 sbvft contributor  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:16:50am

Change you can believe in. Not.

12 NeoKong  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:16:51am

Oh man...this is getting good.Obama isn't even sworn in yet and we have a brand new Whitewater/PlameGate ala Karl Rove style to pin on him.
Thanks Rahm!
Gay may be the new black but Emanuel is the new Rove.

13 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:17:02am

re: #9 Wishing

And our great gubmint said, Get a room at the Motel 6, bud.
Hooray for our side!

I thought I said that?

14 alexknyc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:17:07am

I don't get why Obama thought anyone with half a working brain (which leaves the media on the sidelines) would believe he had NO discussions with Blagojevich about the vacant Senate seat?

Of course he had discussions about it. It's also highly improbable that Blagojevich clued Obama in on the little auction he was having for it.

Lying about things that are so easily proven false is a bad move. It's also the sign of a pathological liar. On the other hand, with the media's lips so firmly attached to his ass, Obama may think he can get away with lying about anything.

15 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:17:11am

This does not bode well for "Change" unless the change 0 meant was the complete Chicago style corruption of the Federal government, as if it was not bad enough as it is. He has not even been inaugurated yet, and already, the lies, the corruption...

16 JacksonTn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:17:23am

I said before ...Winston Wolf is on retainer and will be "cleaning" up any and all Obama messes ...

17 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:17:25am

Blagorahma!

18 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:17:47am

In an Obama administration, one-time close aides like Emanuel may end up disappearing.

19 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:18:28am

re: #18 zombie

In an Obama administration, one-time close aides like Emanuel may end up disappearing.

We have always been at war with Eastasia...

20 sbvft contributor  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:18:34am

Like they say - "It's not the crime. It's the coverup." Or something like that.

21 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:19:02am

re: #15 CapeCoddah

This does not bode well for "Change" unless the change 0 meant was the complete Chicago style corruption of the Federal government, as if it was not bad enough as it is. He has not even been inaugurated yet, and already, the lies, the corruption...

Like I said in another thread, the "Chicago Machine has gone National"

22 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:19:13am

I might change the "C" for "Commie" to "C" for "Corrupt" in CBBHO.

23 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:19:23am

Hannity did his 'Man on the Street' yesterday on his radio show. Not one of them knew who Blagojevich was and could barely answer his other questions. They were mostly clueless, but either voted for Obama or would have.

24 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:19:55am

re: #22 MandyManners

I might change the "C" for "Commie" to "C" for "Corrupt" in CBBHO.

CCBBHO

25 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:20:04am

re: #18 zombie

In an Obama administration, one-time close aides like Emanuel may end up disappearing.

How long before Obama creates a department called the "ministry of truth"?

26 jcm  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:20:25am

And just what did people think they would get electing a made Chicago pol?

The second coming?

It's not sarc if it's true.

27 JacksonTn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:20:27am

Two of my favorites movies are being played out in the Obamacrapolafest ...

The Godfather
Doctor Zhivago

28 jcm  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:20:40am

re: #22 MandyManners

I might change the "C" for "Commie" to "C" for "Corrupt" in CBBHO.

CCBBHO.

29 jcm  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:21:03am

re: #28 jcm

CCBBHO.

Sounds like a railroad.

30 freedomplow  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:21:22am

Looks like no one knows exactly what Rham said on tape.

Team Obama doesn't know what to do.

31 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:22:01am

re: #29 jcm

Sounds like a railroad.

If this is a train, then I want to get off.

32 wahabicorridor  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:22:17am

I simply don't understand why the O camp thought it was necessary to lie. It is perfectly appropriate for them to discuss with the governor of the state who they thought could best fill Obama's Senate seat. It's clear from the transcripts that as far as the Obama camp was concerned, there would be no quid pro quo - so what was the problem?

33 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:22:19am

re: #30 freedomplow

Looks like no one knows exactly what Rham said on tape.

Team Obama doesn't know what to do.

I agree, the silence is due to not knowing what Rahm said, so they have no idea what to say that wont come back to bite em in the butt.

34 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:22:37am

re: #18 zombie

In an Obama administration, one-time close aides like Emanuel may end up disappearing.

From the link:

Nikolai Yezhov, commissar of water transport

Well... that was one of his jobs, but not exactly the one he's most remembered for.

35 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:22:41am

re: #30 freedomplow

Looks like no one knows exactly what Rham said on tape.

Team Obama doesn't know what to do.

Oh yeah they do "Stonewall It"

36 arier_tzvi  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:22:59am

Obama isnt president yet. He is president elect... So I guess that makes it ok

37 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:23:34am

re: #4 zombie

Time to start the "O-mpeach" movement.

Egad. We'd have Plugsy as Prez.

38 ggt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:23:37am

Good Morning Lizards! It's still cold and icy in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

It's kinda fun watching all this happen (even if it's my own state).

How are you-all?

39 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:23:43am

Will this cause the O to reschedule his Address From a Major Muslim Capital? While I'm on that thought train, is Washington, DC, a "Major Christian Capital"?

40 Ron Shaw  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:23:54am

"Acceptable"...to Obama.

"Approved list"...approved by Obama.

I never knew an ex-Senator had such sway on who took the empty seat and especially one that was previously occupied by an empty suit. Does compensation come with appointment? If so, in what form and by whom? Obama obviously was expected to "pay" in some fashion through the use of the office of POTUS and the taxpayers. In this scenario, is this any different than a million dollar offer by JJ, Jr. or his people? yes, it is. JJ, Jr.'s offer was a on-time payment for the post. Obama's payment could mean many years of rewards in position(s) and money. The Energizer payment plan from Obama...a purchase that keeps on giving from all taxpayers. Is this not corruption on a National level? If not, nothing rises to that level.

41 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:23:57am

re: #36 arier_tzvi

Obama isnt president yet. He is president elect... So I guess that makes it ok

Not even that until Monday.

42 Deke56  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:24:10am

When the Obama camp doesn't answer questions they are " getting together to determine all the facts" In other words " putting the best lies before focus groups to see what will WORK the best."

If this had happened to Sarah Palin, not only would the media be screaming "What did she know...and when did she know it?"
But how much did her blouse cost and where did she buy it!

43 Steffan  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:24:20am

re: #5 Dustyvet

Hopey Changey Wanted To Move In Early To DC's "Blair House"


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Blair House is generally reserved for visiting heads of state.

No foolin' that the people booked for the place can't be evicted.

44 invictus1  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:24:32am

re: #32 wahabicorridor

I simply don't understand why the O camp thought it was necessary to lie. It is perfectly appropriate for them to discuss with the governor of the state who they thought could best fill Obama's Senate seat. It's clear from the transcripts that as far as the Obama camp was concerned, there would be no quid pro quo - so what was the problem?

The funny thing is, it's more than likely Obama, nor Emanuel, nor anyone else on his team were caught committing a crime. But by dodging or not answering questions and lying when you do answer them, it makes them look VERY guilty. Then again, it's possible they do have something to hide.

45 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #37 Fat Jolly Penguin

Egad. We'd have Plugsy as Prez.

Quit that, Pugsly had class...

46 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:24:45am

re: #29 jcm

Sounds like a railroad.

Well, Chicago is the railroad capital of North America.

47 sbvft contributor  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:24:48am

You know what tickes me off? Barry's initial choice to replace him. This slumlord Valerie Jarrett?:

NRO: An excerpt from a June Boston Globe piece on Obama and Chicago's housing policies:

CHICAGO - The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can't afford to live anywhere else.

But it's not safe to live here.

About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.

Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and manage affordable housing - an approach strongly backed by Obama as the best replacement for public housing. [...]

Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to Obama's presidential campaign and a member of his finance committee. Jarrett is the chief executive of Habitat Co., which managed Grove Parc Plaza from 2001 until this winter and co-managed an even larger subsidized complex in Chicago that was seized by the federal government in 2006, after city inspectors found widespread problems.

48 invictus1  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:24:55am

re: #41 Fat Jolly Penguin

Not even that until Monday.

President-Elect-Elect?

49 ggt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:25:02am

Before the election, I would ask people who were voting for Obama:

"Why would you want a Chicago Politician in the Oval Office?"

Most didn't have an answer -- I wonder what they are thinking now?

50 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:25:02am

re: #18 zombie

In an Obama administration, one-time close aides like Emanuel may end up disappearing.

Good day undead one.

51 vapig  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:25:09am

So this is what the next four years are going to look like?

sigh.....

Well, some of us said (mostly tongue in cheek) that we needed a Carter to get a Reagan. Looks like we're getting what we asked for. I hope the damage is minimal, but Carter left us with Iran, double digit unemployment and inflation. Obama is going to have a lot more tools to do a lot more damage.

heavy sigh.....

52 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:25:32am

re: #41 Fat Jolly Penguin

Not even that until Monday.

Obama has effectively ignored the fact of the Electoral College.

53 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:26:33am

re: #40 Ron Shaw

"Acceptable"...to Obama.

"Approved list"...approved by Obama.

I never knew an ex-Senator had such sway on who took the empty seat and especially one that was previously occupied by an empty suit. Does compensation come with appointment? If so, in what form and by whom? Obama obviously was expected to "pay" in some fashion through the use of the office of POTUS and the taxpayers. In this scenario, is this any different than a million dollar offer by JJ, Jr. or his people? yes, it is. JJ, Jr.'s offer was a on-time payment for the post. Obama's payment could mean many years of rewards in position(s) and money. The Energizer payment plan from Obama...a purchase that keeps on giving from all taxpayers. Is this not corruption on a National level? If not, nothing rises to that level.

It is not unusual for this kind of "recommending" between politicians to go on, it's not illegal.

What is illegal is if they start trying to sell it.

54 vapig  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:27:01am

re: #25 gclaghorn

How long before Obama creates a department called the "ministry of truth"?

Or a "stop the smear" czar

55 Opinionated  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:27:06am

These stories make me sad.

Not because I don't believe that everything out of the Chicago machine including Obama is tainted with corruption but because I know Obama has a powerful Leftist shield [whether media, party, unions, academicians, big money] around him and will get away with anything.

56 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:27:13am
57 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:27:55am

Interesting.

A few different possibilities seem to be arising, in ascending order of calamity for the Obama administration-to-be:

1) Emanuel spoke to Blagojevich and didn't know anything untoward or illegal was going on.

2) Emanuel spoke to Blagojevich and knew something untoward or illegal was going on, and did say something to the authorities.

3) Emanuel spoke to Blagojevich and knew something untoward or illegal was going on, and didn't say anything to the authorities.

4) Emanuel spoke to Blagojevich and knew something untoward or illegal was going on, and lied to the authorities.

5) Same series as above, but with the added variable of Emanuel reporting his knowledge to Obama or not.

In any case, it seems -- from the Blagojevich tapes -- that Obama or his 'people' didn't actually take part in any sort of auction. It seems strange to me -- strange to the point of unlikelihood -- that they would

1) Know about the Great Senate Seat Auction, yet

2) Not partake in it, yet

3) Not report it to the authorities.

Without some other yet-unknown variable, those circumstances are so contradictory as to not make sense. We'll see what comes out, though.

58 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:27:56am

re: #38 ggt

Good Morning Lizards! It's still cold and icy in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

It's kinda fun watching all this happen (even if it's my own state).

How are you-all?

Good morning, ggt! It is cold and windy in the Mojave today--but it is a dry cold and windy....

59 vapig  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:28:39am

re: #56 ploome hineni

Charles asks:


Nobama is a pathologic liar

So was Slick Willie Clinton

60 Steffan  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:28:40am

re: #14 alexknyc

I don't get why Obama thought anyone with half a working brain (which leaves the media on the sidelines) would believe he had NO discussions with Blagojevich about the vacant Senate seat?

Of course he had discussions about it. It's also highly improbable that Blagojevich clued Obama in on the little auction he was having for it.

Lying about things that are so easily proven false is a bad move. It's also the sign of a pathological liar. On the other hand, with the media's lips so firmly attached to his ass, Obama may think he can get away with lying about anything.

Up to now, he has gotten away with it, because the MSM has been covering up for him. This is a little too blatant.

61 JacksonTn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:28:43am

re: #56 ploome hineni

Charles asks:

Nobama is a narcissistic pathologic liar

Just needed to add that ...

62 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:28:49am

Impeach the zero!

63 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:28:59am

re: #52 debutaunt

Obama has effectively ignored the fact of the Electoral College.

It means little this time. The Dem electors would vote for Obama even if he was found standing over a body with the smoking gun in one hand and a roll of dirty money in the other.

64 USCMSNE  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:29:16am

I love watching the news when this story comes up. I don't know why we seem surprised (we, meaning everyone else). It's Chicago politics. They make movies about this stuff. The only thing I'm holding my breath on is when the press really starts digging into the beginning of Obama's career and see who all has scratched his back and vice versa. There is no way anyone can have a meteoric rise in any political environment, especially Chicago, and not have sold their soul (literally and metaphorically).

65 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:29:16am

Hey 52%!

Good job, morons.

Thanks a lot.

66 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:29:19am

Hopey Changey a man for all seasons...

/spit!

67 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:29:30am
68 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:29:33am

re: #62 newsjunkie_ky

Impeach the zero!

You can't impeach someone who isn't peached yet?

69 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:29:58am

re: #54 vapig

Or a "stop the smear" czar

They could appoint Colin Powell.

70 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:30:13am

Now Obama will say that he never said that he nor his staff didn't discuss this with the governor. That's what he did with the Iran issue: he lied and said he never said he'd meet unconditionally without preconditions. Liar.

Dr Martha Stout who wrote The Sociopath Next Door teaches the Rule of 3:

When considering a new relationship of any kind, practice the Rule of Threes regarding the claims and promises a person makes, and the responsibilities he or she has.

Make the Rule of Threes your personal policy. One lie, one broken promise, or a single neglected responsibility may be a misunderstanding instead. Two may involve a serious mistake. But three lies says you're dealing with a liar, and deceit is the linchpin of conscienceless behavior. Cut your losses and get out as soon as you can. Leaving, though it may be hard, will be easier now than later, and less costly.

Do not give your money, your work, your secrets, or your affection to a three-timer. Your valuable gifts will be wasted.

Here is a short interview with Dr. Stout about how to deal with your average conscience-challenged person.

71 Spiny Norman  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:30:30am

re: #6 debutaunt

The Chicago machine of corruption - how nice for us.

As if anyone expected anything less from the Big Zero crew.

72 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:30:32am

re: #69 rightymouse

They could appoint Colin Powell.

Grrr, dont get me started on him! Dirtbag!

73 wahabicorridor  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:30:37am

re: #44 invictus1

Then again, it's possible they do have something to hide.

I can't imagine what. It's very clear from the transcipt that Blogjevich was totally disgusted with the Obama people because they only thing he was going to get out of them was 'appreciation'.

74 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:30:37am

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

What is illegal is if they start trying to sell it.

Well, hmm, exactly what is the wording of the statute that would be violated in this case? Generic bribery, I assume. Must actually be laws to that effect, but presuming that this has not yet taken place, it would have to be conspiracy to violate these other laws, but even conspiracy requires specific acts and states of mind. Without doubting the alleged events actually took place, I still wonder if any of it is provable in a court of law.

This prosecutor is the same Patrick Fitzgerald who railroaded Scooter Libby, right? Is this his make-good?

75 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:30:40am

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

It means little this time. The Dem electors would vote for Obama even if he was found standing over a body with the smoking gun in one hand and a roll of dirty money in the other.

I like the traditions way more than 0 does.

76 ggt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:30:41am

re: #58 SurferDoc

Oh yeah, humidity always makes the difference.

77 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:30:46am

re: #69 rightymouse

They could appoint Colin Powell.

Why is the positoin of dog catcher already filled?

78 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:31:30am
So now, the question becomes, “Why did Barack Obama flatly deny that any discussions took place?” He had to have known about Emanuel’s talks with Blagojevich; it’s hard to see this as anything other than a lie.

That's not quite true. There are still -- in the flavor of post 57 -- a few variables that must be considered, if we're going on sheer reason.

79 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:31:31am

re: #39 NelsFree

Will this cause the O to reschedule his Address From a Major Muslim Capital? While I'm on that thought train, is Washington, DC, a "Major Christian Capital"?

* * *
The Washington Post's "On Religion" column by atheist Sally Quinn, suggested Obama attend DC's "National" Cathedral because it's not very Christian, or words to that effect. Good church for Obama because it's not really churchy, or it's the place for people who don't do church.

Reverend Wright got his divinity degree in DC at Howard University I think. Howard U, a federally-funded historically black college that spews ugly scholarship, who would have thunk it.

80 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:31:41am

re: #56 ploome hineni

Charles asks:

Nobama is a pathologic liar

Fm Yes Minister, Sir Humphrey Appleby to Bernard Wooley:
Are you really a high flyer or just a low flyer sustained by occasional gusts of wind?

81 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:31:41am

Just in time for Christmas "Hopey Changey Action Figure" grom Hasbro.

82 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:31:46am

re: #22 MandyManners

I might change the "C" for "Commie" to "C" for "Corrupt" in CBBHO.

No, just add another C.........C2B2HO

83 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:31:59am

I can understand democrats (and republicans were it applicable) wanting to discuss with each other who should take a vacant seat, but Constitutionally, it's the Governor's call. He doesn't need the input or approval of the person vacating the seat as to the replacement. But, because of their love of power and consolidation, the democrats now have a big problem on their hands.

Pity- I feel none for them.

84 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:32:01am

re: #67 ploome hineni

Rahm is sliding towards the bus

/look at how Nobama controls BIden.........where IS he? and of course now Rahm is incommunicado

Yeah - put Biden on the Sunday talk shows!

85 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:32:21am

re: #57 Cognito

Good comprehensive analysis, Cognito. What do you figure the odds are that Rahm ends up under the bus?

86 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:32:23am
“Why did Barack Obama flatly deny that any discussions took place?”

He said he was "confident that no represntatives of [his] would have any part of any deals related to this seat".

/he never said that "discussions" never took place

87 Opinionated  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:32:48am

re: #69 rightymouse

They could appoint Colin Powell.

Latest rumor is that he has a job for Powell. Mideast negotiator. In other words, a Torquemada for Israel.

88 Earick  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:32:57am

As much as I hated the GOP's defeat in this last election, it is sure easier watching the Dems get "Borked" instead!
Can you imagine what the MSM would be doing to Mc and Palin right now if they were elected?

Next drinking game... Every time a talking head says impeach and Obama in the same sentence... throw back a shooter!

89 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:33:33am

He said Israel is sincere in wanting peace with Syria but stressed that no genuine peace could be achieved unless Israel withdrew from Arab territories in Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Well so much for negotiations?

90 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:33:47am

re: #81 Dustyvet

Just in time for Christmas "Hopey Changey Action Figure" grom Hasbro.

Does it stick its head up its ass?

91 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:33:50am
92 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:01am

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Good comprehensive analysis, Cognito. What do you figure the odds are that Rahm ends up under the bus?

It depends, I think, on which of those possibilities is the correct one. They're so vastly different -- which is to say we simply have no idea what the federal investigators know -- that it's impossible to draw odds at this point.

93 hermit  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:02am

re: #82 LGoPs

No, just add another C.........C2B2HO

I kinda like just C2B2....has a nice ring.

94 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:07am

re: #88 Earick

Next drinking game... Every time a talking head says impeach and Obama in the same sentence... throw back a shooter!

We'll be stone cold sober.

95 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:29am

re: #70 DistantThunder

Now Obama will say that he never said that he nor his staff didn't discuss this with the governor. That's what he did with the Iran issue: he lied and said he never said he'd meet unconditionally without preconditions. Liar.

Dr Martha Stout who wrote The Sociopath Next Door teaches the Rule of 3:


Here is a short interview with Dr. Stout about how to deal with your average conscience-challenged person.

Ian Fleming in Goldfinger:
"We have a saying in Chicago Mr. Bond. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times its enemy action."

96 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:32am

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Does it stick its head up its ass?

It's head is permanently stuck up its ass.

97 invictus1  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:51am

re: #73 wahabicorridor

I can't imagine what. It's very clear from the transcipt that Blogjevich was totally disgusted with the Obama people because they only thing he was going to get out of them was 'appreciation'.

I don't think so, either. But still, how Obama and his people have handled this thing makes them, as I say, look guilty. And we all know that'd be enough to bring down a Republican..

98 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:52am
99 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:53am

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Does it stick its head up its ass?

Not yet, but we'll add that to the design...

It's nose does grow when it lies, however.

100 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:57am

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Good comprehensive analysis, Cognito. What do you figure the odds are that Rahm ends up under the bus the msm actually investigates this throughly?

I think that's a better question.

101 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Does it stick its head up its ass?

If you pull the string, it puts its foot in its mouth.

102 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:35:15am

re: #70 DistantThunder

Thanks for that link - hearted, and updinged you.
Good stuff!

103 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:35:25am

Rahm Emanuel should get exactly the same benefit of the doubt as Scooter Libby got - which is exactly Zero.......

Democrats deserve scorched earth politics - they invented it....

104 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:35:42am

re: #56 ploome hineni

Charles asks:
Nobama is a pathologic liar

It depends how you define "discussion"./

105 jaunte  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:35:43am

re: #91 ploome hineni

That would certainly give "Dreams from my Father" a bleaker meaning.

106 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:35:57am

"Peter" Obama

The Peter Principle is the principle that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence." While formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1968 book The Peter Principle, a humorous treatise which also introduced the "salutary science of Hierarchiology", "inadvertently founded" by Peter, the principle has real validity. It holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain. Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out his duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".
107 alexknyc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:36:03am

re: #88 Earick

As much as I hated the GOP's defeat in this last election, it is sure easier watching the Dems get "Borked" instead!
Can you imagine what the MSM would be doing to Mc and Palin right now if they were elected?

Next drinking game... Every time a talking head says impeach and Obama in the same sentence... throw back a shooter!


You'll still be sober four years from now.

108 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:36:06am

re: #68 Nevergiveup

You can't impeach someone who isn't peached yet?


I'm just getting into practice. I'm going to say that to everything, just like the llls did to Bush. And I'm going to blame obama as well.

109 ggt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:36:27am

re: #79 alegrias


Federal funds paid for a divinity degree?

110 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:37:20am
111 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:37:21am

re: #100 Sharmuta

I think that's a better question.

Well, I think the Chicago Tribune will investigate this one properly. If they do a through job, I'll even subscribe to the Tribune again.

112 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:37:22am

it would only be expected for the O camp to talk to blago.
their running the other way as fast as they can, denying any and all conversations w/ him, tells us a lot abt. what they most likely discussed.
pay to play is the game in chicago.
the O is such a dolt and a liar. he has created a very suspect, awkward situation for himself by making defensive statements in the beginning.
of course, he has gotten away w/ every kind of bad behavior so far, why would he think he couldn't continue that forever.
what a bunch of buffoons.

113 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:37:32am

re: #47 sbvft contributor

You know what tickes me off? Barry's initial choice to replace him. This slumlord Valerie Jarrett?:

NRO: An excerpt from a June Boston Globe piece on Obama and Chicago's housing policies:

CHICAGO - The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can't afford to live anywhere else.

But it's not safe to live here.

About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.

Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and manage affordable housing - an approach strongly backed by Obama as the best replacement for public housing. [...]

Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to Obama's presidential campaign and a member of his finance committee. Jarrett is the chief executive of Habitat Co., which managed Grove Parc Plaza from 2001 until this winter and co-managed an even larger subsidized complex in Chicago that was seized by the federal government in 2006, after city inspectors found widespread problems.

* * *
Hillary Clinton accused Obama of having slumlords as friends. Of course, Hillary Rodham was a lucrative ripoff real estate profiteer too, evicting people who bought small plots of land in the Whitewater Development and missed so much as one payment--then foreclosing on them, taking their property and deposits and selling to another unsuspecting Arkansan.

114 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:37:41am

re: #108 newsjunkie_ky

I'm just getting into practice. I'm going to say that to everything, just like the llls did to Bush. And I'm going to blame obama as well.

"And I'm going to blame some of the people here in this room, and that I don't forgive!"

115 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:37:53am
116 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:38:16am

re: #72 Wishing

Grrr, dont get me started on him! Dirtbag!

I remember how he stood up to Belafonte's nonsense.

For a while now, he's nobody I ever knew.

117 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:38:20am

re: #86 Killian Bundy

He said he was "confident that no represntatives of [his] would have any part of any deals related to this seat".

/he never said that "discussions" never took place

But this answer violates the ethical rule of candor which is telling people what you believe they are really asking and want to know. Obama absolutely knows that we want to know who on his team had discussions with the governor - and he has chosen a technically accurate but unethical response.

Obama is unethical as history has shown, and as future events will reveal.

118 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:38:31am

re: #101 gclaghorn

If you pull the string, it puts its foot in its mouth.

Though you can prevent that by buying the teleprompter accessory. Sold separately.

119 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:38:59am

I heard on the radio that Blago has only a 4% approval rating in the latest polls. Those must be the people that still think they might get appointed to the senate seat.....
/

120 wahabicorridor  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:39:03am

re: #70 DistantThunder

That was a VERY interesting piece, thank you. We have a sociopath in the family and this describes her perfectly.

She's an Episcopalian priest - SO much more room for manipulation!

121 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:39:27am

The CCC,

Corrupt
Chicago
Communists

A Young Man's Opportunity
With patch

122 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:39:27am

re: #73 wahabicorridor

I can't imagine what. It's very clear from the transcipt that Blogjevich was totally disgusted with the Obama people because they only thing he was going to get out of them was 'appreciation'.

* * *
Hi, W. Corridor. Blago isn't stupid--he knew Obama's people raised over $750,000,000, and Obama promised to "SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND".

I heard it on TV!

123 ggt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:07am

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

One of the members of our unelected 4th branch of government, The Chicago Tribune, was a part of why Blago got busted. He tried to mess with the free press.

I think they'll hang him for this and anyone else who was part of it.

124 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:14am

re: #77 Nevergiveup

Why is the positoin of dog catcher already filled?


Yeah...it does look like he's been jonesying for a position in 'O's' administration, eh?

125 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:14am

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Does it stick its head up its ass?

LOL!

126 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:15am

What sub-slogan do you prefer for my "O-mpeach" bumperstickers?
(The "O" will be an Obama logo)

"No Liars in the White House"

or

"The Senate Is Not For Sale."

or

"Blah! Go home already."

127 Earick  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:16am

OK OK...Throw back a shooter every time the MSM DOES NOT say impeach and Obama in the same sentence ...That ought to take away the pain

128 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:24am

re: #121 lifeofthemind

The CCC,

Corrupt
Chicago
Communists

A Young Man's Opportunity
With patch

Scary! A good find, but scary.

129 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:34am

re: #86 Killian Bundy

He said he was "confident that no represntatives of [his] would have any part of any deals related to this seat".

/he never said that "discussions" never took place

In fact, if you listen to the press conference, it's clear that he wasn't denying that his staff might have had contact with the Blagojevich camp about the seat. All he said is that he was confident that no one on his staff made any "deals" for the seat.

/one is not like the other

130 ggt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:36am

re: #123 ggt

I wonder if he'll he'll be tried on 1st Amendment charges?

131 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:49am

re: #87 Opinionated

Latest rumor is that he has a job for Powell. Mideast negotiator. In other words, a Torquemada for Israel.


Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

132 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:40:55am
133 iam7545  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:41:10am

Obama Lied


Blago Fried

134 ruexperienced  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:41:15am

re: #15 CapeCoddah

This does not bode well for "Change" unless the change 0 meant was the complete Chicago style corruption of the Federal government, as if it was not bad enough as it is. He has not even been inaugurated yet, and already, the lies, the corruption...

Sweet.

Delicious.

IRONY.

The leftards get what they deserve and the rest of us will get to elect a new president in four years.

On election day, even I didn't think things would unravel this fast for Obama...

All I can say is WOW !

135 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:41:41am

re: #126 zombie

"The Senate Is Not For Sale."

That one's the funniest.

136 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:42:05am

This talk of impeaching 0bama is a bit unrealistic. It's not going to happen. The democrat controlled House is not going to investigate this, they would not pass articles of impeachment, and at this point I don't think we've seen anything that rises to an impeachable offense, frankly.

Not telling the press the truth? Not impeachable.
Underlings in trouble? Not impeachable.

I really think we should refrain from calls for impeachment at this point, lest we want to look like the moonbats who thought Bush breathing was an impeachable offense.

137 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:42:15am

Gonna need more popcorn.

138 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:42:25am

re: #135 Occasional Reader

That one's the funniest.

I'm liking that one best, myself.

139 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:43:09am

re: #129 Killian Bundy

In fact, if you listen to the press conference, it's clear that he wasn't denying that his staff might have had contact with the Blagojevich camp about the seat. All he said is that he was confident that no one on his staff made any "deals" for the seat.

/one is not like the other

That's true. And that's why I don't understand why anyone would start using the word "impeached" already. Sounds like Obama Derangement Syndrome to me.

140 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:43:23am

re: #117 DistantThunder

But this answer violates the ethical rule of candor which is telling people what you believe they are really asking and want to know. Obama absolutely knows that we want to know who on his team had discussions with the governor - and he has chosen a technically accurate but unethical response.

/and, again, if you listen to what he actually said at the news conference, he said he was gathering that very information for public release in a few days

141 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:43:24am

re: #136 Sharmuta

This talk of impeaching 0bama is a bit unrealistic. It's not going to happen. The democrat controlled House is not going to investigate this, they would not pass articles of impeachment, and at this point I don't think we've seen anything that rises to an impeachable offense, frankly.

Not telling the press the truth? Not impeachable.
Underlings in trouble? Not impeachable.

I really think we should refrain from calls for impeachment at this point, lest we want to look like the moonbats who thought Bush breathing was an impeachable offense.

Your 100% right, but what about crucification since it kinda goes along with the title of Messiah anyway?

142 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:43:26am

re: #133 iam7545

Obama Lied


Blago Fried

Loves it!

143 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:43:29am

re: #134 ruexperienced

Sweet.

Delicious.

IRONY.

The leftards get what they deserve and the rest of us will get to elect a new president in four years.

On election day, even I didn't think things would unravel this fast for Obama...

All I can say is WOW !

A whole lot of nasty damage can be done in those four years. Methinks revenge will not be so sweet compared to the coming disaster and it's long, far and deep reaching consequences.

144 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:43:47am

re: #126 zombie


"The Senate Is Not For Sale."


For Rent maybe?

145 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:29am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

That's true. And that's why I don't understand why anyone would start using the word "impeached" already. Sounds like Obama Derangement Syndrome to me.

ODS sounds like a very odious idea to me, too...*snicker*

146 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:30am

re: #136 Sharmuta

This talk of impeaching 0bama is a bit unrealistic. It's not going to happen. The democrat controlled House is not going to investigate this, they would not pass articles of impeachment, and at this point I don't think we've seen anything that rises to an impeachable offense, frankly.

I know that. I'm just goading the Left. They spent five years talking about impeaching Bush, when in fact he had done nothing even vaguely impeach-worthy.

It's my payback for having to attend four different "Beach Impeach" events.

147 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:39am

re: #117 DistantThunder

There's still a great deal unknown. We simply don't know enough to speculate yet with any accuracy what Emanuel might or might not be guilty of; much less Obama.

Could be as simple as this:

Blagojevich: "Hey, congratulations on the win, Rahm. Let's see what we can make happen with the empty seat. I've got some proposals for you."

Emanuel: "Thanks, but we've got everything we need. I'll send you a list."


Or, conversely, it could be as bad as this:


Blagojevich: "I'm selling this puppy. You guys are rich. Want to buy it?"

Emanuel: "No, but good luck. I know some guys who might be able help you out, as long as the President Elect's friends get a taste."

We simply don't know. What we do know is that Blagojevich later said on a wiretapped line that Obama's people "aren't going to give me anything but appreciation. [Expletive] them."

Should be interesting to see how it unfolds.

148 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:39am

re: #117 DistantThunder

But this answer violates the ethical rule of candor which is telling people what you believe they are really asking and want to know. Obama absolutely knows that we want to know who on his team had discussions with the governor - and he has chosen a technically accurate but unethical response.

Obama is unethical as history has shown, and as future events will reveal.


He is just speaking obamanese, much like clinton spoke clintonese. They are both unethical lawyers.

149 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:40am

re: #136 Sharmuta

I really think we should refrain from calls for impeachment at this point,

I agree. And as noted above, I do NOT relish the idea; it would be incredibly traumatic for the country.

But I have to stay, it's disturbing the pattern that's emerging... lots of smoke, are Obama's pants on fire?

150 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:41am

re: #120 wahabicorridor

That was a VERY interesting piece, thank you. We have a sociopath in the family and this describes her perfectly.

She's an Episcopalian priest - SO much more room for manipulation!

Dr Stout says one in 25 people is sociopathic - but these are socialized sociopaths - they pretend to be average and normal - and often rise to great heights in business and politics.

151 ggt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:44am

re: #144 lifeofthemind

Rent, or long-term-lease. Remember, in Chicago, seats at the Board-of-Trade are regulary bargained for. Blago just got confused.

152 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:46am

Countdown for the next "I'm appalled" from the Messiah concerning another of his admired friends doing something despicable. 10, 9, 8, 7 ...

153 jcm  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:46am

re: #87 Opinionated

Latest rumor is that he has a job for Powell. Mideast negotiator. In other words, a Torquemada for Israel.

BHO has a yard sale on the WH lawn on Jan. 21.
Items for sale.
One Senate Seat.
Israel.
1st Amend.
2nd Amend.

154 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:57am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

That's true. And that's why I don't understand why anyone would start using the word "impeached" already. Sounds like Obama Derangement Syndrome to me.

I agree. Way early and impeachment would not only fail but make the GOP look bad.

155 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:44:57am

re: #132 ploome hineni

it is awful when people manipulate like that

you never know what they really mean

always thinking ahead for the 'out'

What if the feds were behind it? What if Rahm knew that the feds had wiretaps? What if the feds ask Obama and his camp to keep their mouths shut.

After all , the feds already said, in public, that the Obama people are not under any criminal investigation.

156 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:45:05am

to repeat what Charles said above:

So now, the question becomes, “Why did Barack Obama flatly deny that any discussions took place?” He had to have known about Emanuel’s talks with Blagojevich; it’s hard to see this as anything other than a lie.

157 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:45:20am

re: #136 Sharmuta

This talk of impeaching 0bama is a bit unrealistic. It's not going to happen. The democrat controlled House is not going to investigate this, they would not pass articles of impeachment, and at this point I don't think we've seen anything that rises to an impeachable offense, frankly.

Not telling the press the truth? Not impeachable.
Underlings in trouble? Not impeachable.

I really think we should refrain from calls for impeachment at this point, lest we want to look like the moonbats who thought Bush breathing was an impeachable offense.

Absolutely agree. We need to hold fire until there's something we can effectively fire on..........I have infinite faith that this administration will become a target rich environment - politically speaking.

158 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:45:49am

re: #87 Opinionated

Latest rumor is that he has a job for Powell. Mideast negotiator. In other words, a Torquemada for Israel.

* * *
When Powell was given the opportunity to lead 600,000 US Troops to topple Saddam Hussein (toppled 12 years later by better generals than Powell), who paid Palis $25,000 per head for killing Jewish people, Powell DECLINED to stop genocide & murder.

Powell, bad as General George McClellan, whom President Lincoln SACKED.

Obama should SACK Colin Powell, not promote him.

Powell, perfumed general.

159 ggt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:45:51am

have a great day all!

160 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:46:02am

re: #146 zombie

It's my payback for having to attend four different "Beach Impeach" events.

Hey, I'm old enough to remember (much as I hate to admit it) that during the Watergate affair, Baskin-Robbins actually rolled out an ice cream flavor called "Im-Peach-Mint".

I'm not kidding.

161 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:46:11am

re: #136 Sharmuta


I really think we should refrain from calls for impeachment at this point, lest we want to look like the moonbats who thought Bush breathing was an impeachable offense.

Up ding for that. I have been fighting that issue all morning.

162 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:46:14am

re: #149 Occasional Reader

I agree. And as noted above, I do NOT relish the idea; it would be incredibly traumatic for the country.

Hey, it's a JOKE! Obviously no one's gonna impeach Obama. I'm just playing with their minds.

163 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:46:22am

re: #123 ggt

One of the members of our unelected 4th branch of government, The Chicago Tribune, was a part of why Blago got busted. He tried to mess with the free press.

I think they'll hang him for this and anyone else who was part of it.

That's another reason Blago is toast. The MSM did not appreciate him trying to put the arm to one of their own. They'll see him imprisoned. The real question is will they way follow the story no matter where it goes. My guess is no.

164 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:46:54am

re: #126 zombie

What sub-slogan do you prefer for my "O-mpeach" bumperstickers?
(The "O" will be an Obama logo)

"No Liars in the White House"

or

"The Senate Is Not For Sale."

or

"Blah! Go home already."


How about:
"What media bias?"

165 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:47:07am

re: #151 ggt

Rent, or long-term-lease. Remember, in Chicago, seats at the Board-of-Trade are regulary bargained for. Blago just got confused.

Robert Heinlien's definition of an honest politician, stays bought.

166 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:47:25am

re: #156 FrogMarch

to repeat what Charles said above:
“Why did Barack Obama flatly deny that any discussions took place?”

There's only one problem.

/he never said anything even resembling that

167 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:47:26am

re: #158 alegrias

When Powell was given the opportunity to lead 600,000 US Troops to topple Saddam Hussein (toppled 12 years later by better generals than Powell), who paid Palis $25,000 per head for killing Jewish people, Powell DECLINED to stop genocide & murder.

Um, that was Bush (41)'s call, not Powell's.

168 Earick  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:47:37am

Impeachment... I can dream can't I!

With the national GOP in about the same shape as they are in the Socialist Republic of California, that is to say powerless. We will get to enjoy ALL four years of the big O.

169 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:47:57am

re: #162 zombie

Hey, it's a JOKE! Obviously no one's gonna impeach Obama. I'm just playing with their minds.

And since Obama is not even president yet, he self-evidently cannot be impeached.

I just wanna see the lefties squirm.

170 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:48:01am

re: #167 Occasional Reader

Um, that was Bush (41)'s call, not Powell's.

On the advise of Powell!

171 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:48:14am

re: #146 zombie

I know that. I'm just goading the Left. They spent five years talking about impeaching Bush, when in fact he had done nothing even vaguely impeach-worthy.

It's my payback for having to attend four different "Beach Impeach" events.

So, I guess what the left talked about for 8 years was it's payback for conservative talking about impeaching Clinton and then it happened.

So it's alright because they did it?

172 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:49:02am

re: #140 Killian Bundy

/and, again, if you listen to what he actually said at the news conference, he said he was gathering that very information for public release in a few days

He should have been able to "collect" this information in 1 day, probably in 1 hour because it was only a handful, if that, of his closest people who were involved in this. Do you really think they weren't keeping him up to date on an hour by hour basis after they had these conversations? Of course they did. It's not like they have other jobs - this IS their job.

Obama is hiding, and obfuscating.

173 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:49:11am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

What if the feds were behind it? What if Rahm knew that the feds had wiretaps? What if the feds ask Obama and his camp to keep their mouths shut.

After all , the feds already said, in public, that the Obama people are not under any criminal investigation.

Yep.
But its interesting, isn't it, that B0 lied anyway when asked a dircet question.
He might have said that he can't say anything as its an ongoing investigation.
End of story.

But no - he had to lie. Seems like a reflex action.

174 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:49:12am

re: #146 zombie

I know that. I'm just goading the Left. They spent five years talking about impeaching Bush, when in fact he had done nothing even vaguely impeach-worthy.

It's my payback for having to attend four different "Beach Impeach" events.

I can understand that, but after what we've seen with the kookier amongst our side on the right with the Nirth Certificate, I would be concerned that it would fuel a dangerous fire. However- I'm sure they're already thinking impeachment anyways.

175 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:49:24am

re: #168 Earick

Impeachment... I can dream can't I!

With the national GOP in about the same shape as they are in the Socialist Republic of California, that is to say powerless. We will get to enjoy ALL four years of the big O.

And you can sound like you have Obama Derangement Syndrome too! Have at it.

176 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:49:35am

re: #170 Nevergiveup

On the advise of Powell!

"The buck stops here."

177 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:49:50am

re: #152 Daisy

Countdown for the next "I'm appalled" from the Messiah concerning another of his admired friends doing something despicable. 10, 9, 8, 7 ...

Just change the name "Jeremiah Wright" in Obama's race speech to "Rod Blagojevich":

The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons Rod Blagojevich's dealings is not that he spoke about racism in our society tried to sell a Senate seat. It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country - a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for buy one of the the highest offices in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen - is that America can change. That is true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope - the audacity to hope - for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

178 JacksonTn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:49:54am

re: #156 FrogMarch

to repeat what Charles said above:

Because he knows that large amounts of people (and 99% of the msm) will believe anything that comes out of his mouth ...so he has to say that so his believers will then say ...

"See ...Obama said he didn't know anything ...so he didn't know anything ...so now stop saying those ugly things about Obama ..."

179 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:49:54am

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

So, I guess what the left talked about for 8 years was it's payback for conservative talking about impeaching Clinton and then it happened.

So it's alright because they did it?

The difference is that Clinton did a very specific thing (lying under oath) which, as it turned out, WAS impeachable.

Bush didn't. BIG difference.

180 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:50:05am

re: #166 Killian Bundy

There's only one problem.

/he never said anything even resembling that

Yep. Discretion is needed. Otherwise Obama's opponents will -- once again -- look like a pack of morons trying to pin him with imaginary misdeeds and secrets, et cetera.

181 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:50:26am

re: #173 yma o hyd

Yep.
But its interesting, isn't it, that B0 lied anyway when asked a dircet question.
He might have said that he can't say anything as its an ongoing investigation.
End of story.

But no - he had to lie. Seems like a reflex action.

Have you seen the other posts on this thread. Obama didn't lie.
Geeesssshhhh.

182 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:50:38am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

What if the feds were behind it? What if Rahm knew that the feds had wiretaps? What if the feds ask Obama and his camp to keep their mouths shut.

After all , the feds already said, in public, that the Obama people are not under any criminal investigation.

You think Rahm would have used all that foul language if he knew he was being taped? Ha.

183 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:50:38am

re: #166 Killian Bundy

There's only one problem.

/he never said anything even resembling that


'No contact whatsoever....' Why say that when there was contact? Why say that? People lie when they want to hide something.

184 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:51:05am

How long until they find very bad pictures on Blago's computer?

185 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:51:28am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

What if the feds were behind it? What if Rahm knew that the feds had wiretaps? What if the feds ask Obama and his camp to keep their mouths shut.

After all , the feds already said, in public, that the Obama people are not under any criminal investigation.

What if, knowing he was wiretapped, Gov. B. said into the mike, "f--k Obama won't play" (or whatever the exact words he said on that score). I don't usually go towards paranoia .. know it sounds paranoid .. but still .. and all ..

(btw, in case you didn't read it .. "up" was what remained when I tried to write the word soup w/out the "s" and the "o" .. as in, "How'd your soup turn out?" :)

186 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:51:28am

Let's use the 48 day rule here, please (IMHO)

187 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:51:37am

re: #176 Occasional Reader

"The buck stops here."

Absolutely the buck stops with the President. But Powell seems to have a selective memory on a few things.

188 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #178 JacksonTn

Because he knows that large amounts of people (and 99% of the msm) will believe anything that comes out of his mouth ...so he has to say that so his believers will then say ...

"See ...Obama said he didn't know anything ...so he didn't know anything ...so now stop saying those ugly things about Obama ..."

Good answer.

189 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:51:43am

re: #179 zombie

which, as it turned out, WAS impeachable.

Kind of a circular argument, to be frank.

190 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:52:13am

re: #169 zombie

And since Obama is not even president yet, he self-evidently cannot be impeached.

I just wanna see the lefties squirm.

Well don't overstate it, the punishment for conviction after an Impeachment trial can lead to disbarment from ever having a future position of profit or trust. It does not say that you have to be a current government official at the time that you are impeached. In theory anybody at any tie could be brought up on charges.

191 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:52:21am

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

Let's use the 48 day rule here, please (IMHO)

What's that?

192 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:52:27am

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

Let's use the 48 day rule here, please (IMHO)

What's that?

193 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:52:32am

re: #149 Occasional Reader

I agree. And as noted above, I do NOT relish the idea; it would be incredibly traumatic for the country.

But I have to stay, it's disturbing the pattern that's emerging... lots of smoke, are Obama's pants on fire?

IT'S A JOKE! Lighten up, it's just funny that now we get to say 'impeachobama' to everything.

194 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:52:41am

re: #189 Occasional Reader

Kind of a circular argument, to be frank.

No it's not. No one called for Clinton to be impeached until AFTER he had committed an impeachable offense.

195 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:52:57am

re: #182 DistantThunder

You think Rahm would have used all that foul language if he knew he was being taped? Ha.

Show me the quote where the "advisor from DC" said "fuck." It was Bloggo who sued all the foul language.

196 Opinionated  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:52:58am

Obama has a solid alibi for everything. He wasn't there.

He was visiting in State number 57 eating their world famous waffles.

197 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:53:11am

re: #115 ploome hineni

discussion

That's a discussion he couldn't refuse.

198 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:53:13am

re: #109 ggt

Federal funds paid for a divinity degree?

* * *
Dear GGT, my error. Reverend Wright got his divinity degree from University of Chicago's Divinity School.

Wright got his Bachelors degree and one Master's degree from Howard University, the federally funded historically black school in DC--where Shaka Zulu Mabazz or whatever the hatin' man and Friend Of Obama who's the head of the New Black Panther Party got his law degree--yes, Howard U is federally funded.

199 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:53:23am

Everyone -

As near as I understand this, "Blago" wanted a quid pro quo for a US Senate Appointment and Obama and his people refused to play. Good for them. If this is NOT the case, let's find out now and be guided accordingly.

-S-

200 daledog  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:53:29am

Hey Emmanuel:
"na na - na na na na - hey hey hey - goodbye"

You faux-tough, dwarf pussy.

201 wahabicorridor  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:53:29am

HOLA alegrias!

Ok, now Cognito has me thinking. To me, it's fairly clear that Obama wasn't going to pay to play. It's been known since 2006, I believe that the Blog was under investigation. What if Emmanual is not worried about the Senate seat scam, but about something else?

202 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:53:33am

re: #179 zombie

The difference is that Clinton did a very specific thing (lying under oath) which, as it turned out, WAS impeachable.

Bush didn't. BIG difference.

We know, but that didn't stop the lefty whackos. And I'm not sure it would stop whacko righties, like the Nirthers, from wanting impeachment for 0bama despite the fact an impeachable offense has yet to be uncovered.

203 Syrah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:53:39am
204 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:53:58am

re: #177 gclaghorn

Brilliant! I'm thinking inserting "Ayers" etc. would also work. Great job :)

205 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:54:41am

re: #180 Cognito

Yep. Discretion is needed. Otherwise Obama's opponents will -- once again -- look like a pack of morons trying to pin him with imaginary misdeeds and secrets, et cetera.

Yes have the right of it, Cognito.

206 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:54:53am

re: #172 DistantThunder

Obama is hiding, and obfuscating.

He publicly promised to release the information during the news conference last Thursday.

/personally, I'll cut him some slack for a few days before I start frothing at the mouth and shouting "Stonewall!"

207 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:55:03am

re: #180 Cognito

Yep. Discretion is needed. Otherwise Obama's opponents will -- once again -- look like a pack of morons trying to pin him with imaginary misdeeds and secrets, et cetera.

Rather like the left did non-stop to Bush for 8 years? You'll have to forgive some for wanting some come-uppance here.

208 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:55:04am

re: #174 Sharmuta

I can understand that, but after what we've seen with the kookier amongst our side on the right with the Nirth Certificate, I would be concerned that it would fuel a dangerous fire. However- I'm sure they're already thinking impeachment anyways.

But I proved it with geometrical logic. There was a duplicate key to the icebox and they did steal the strawberries.

209 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:55:08am

But, zombie, if you want to sell "0-mpeach" bumper stickers, the capitalist in me says "go for it".

210 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:55:09am

re: #199 Dr. Shalit

Everyone -

As near as I understand this, "Blago" wanted a quid pro quo for a US Senate Appointment and Obama and his people refused to play. Good for them. If this is NOT the case, let's find out now and be guided accordingly.

-S-

Agreed. That's all the facts that have been released have right now.

211 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:55:12am

re: #162 zombie

Hey, it's a JOKE! Obviously no one's gonna impeach Obama. I'm just playing with their minds.

Thank you! That's what I'm saying, people need to get a sense of humor, we are going to need it for the next 4 years.

212 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:55:46am

All kidding aside, I think the current tap dancing is to see if Rahm can be salvaged or if he has to fall on his sword. Does O have enough clout to get Rahm a teflon coat?

213 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:00am

re: #198 alegrias

* * *
Dear GGT, my error. Reverend Wright got his divinity degree from University of Chicago's Divinity School.

Wright got his Bachelors degree and one Master's degree from Howard University, the federally funded historically black school in DC--where Shaka Zulu Mabazz or whatever the hatin' man and Friend Of Obama who's the head of the New Black Panther Party got his law degree--yes, Howard U is federally funded.

They have a particularly strong History Department. Taught him that we dropped the Bomb on Dec 7th. Any fool knows that that's the day the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....
/

214 rollingdivision  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:15am

The operative words will be "deal making". The claim will be discussions yes, approved list yes, presidential influence and pressure yes, but no deal making. Think of what the meaning of is, is.

215 Charles  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:19am

re: #166 Killian Bundy

There's only one problem.

/he never said anything even resembling that

Yes, he did. This is a denial:

Asked what contact he'd had with the governor's office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

216 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:25am

re: #202 Sharmuta

We know, but that didn't stop the lefty whackos. And I'm not sure it would stop whacko righties, like the Nirthers, from wanting impeachment for 0bama despite the fact an impeachable offense has yet to be uncovered.

Maybe there are some closet Nirthers here and we just don't know it.

217 Occasional Reader  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:27am

re: #194 zombie

No it's not. No one called for Clinton to be impeached until AFTER he had committed an impeachable offense.

And anything that Congress decides to use as the basis for impeachment charges IS, by definition, an "impeachable offense". That's the circularity. The Constitution itself is quite vague on the subject.

Off to lunch, and Christmas shopping (part deux).

218 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:27am

re: #183 FrogMarch

'No contact whatsoever....' Why say that when there was contact? Why say that? People lie when they want to hide something.

Why would Alexelrod mispeak when he said very definitively "I Know" they've spoken.

219 Dianna  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:34am

re: #210 Walter L. Newton

Agreed. That's all the facts that have been released have right now.

Well, that's fine, but why the lie by Obama? It was a stupid lie!

220 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:40am

re: #173 yma o hyd

But its interesting, isn't it, that B0 lied anyway when asked a dircet question.
He might have said that he can't say anything as its an ongoing investigation.
End of story.

But no - he had to lie. Seems like a reflex action.

No good. Can't lead. Effective leaders always tell the truth. We are in for a rudderless 4 years.

221 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:41am

re: #209 Sharmuta

But, zombie, if you want to sell "0-mpeach" bumper stickers, the capitalist in me says "go for it".

Sigh....I'm not really going to make bumper stickers.

Looks like today is not my day for successful humor.

222 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:55am

re: #212 SurferDoc

All kidding aside, I think the current tap dancing is to see if Rahm can be salvaged or if he has to fall on his sword. Does O have enough clout to get Rahm a teflon coat?

The coat Rahm should be worrying about is the cement variant.

223 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:56:58am

re: #176 Occasional Reader

"The buck stops here."

"O-R" -

Of the current political field, the best "Buck Stopper" is the Governor of Alaska.
She will stop that Buck with a "Thirty Oh Six," field strip it, and cook it up for dinner.

-S-

224 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:57:03am

re: #168 Earick

Impeachment... I can dream can't I!

With the national GOP in about the same shape as they are in the Socialist Republic of California, that is to say powerless. We will get to enjoy ALL four years of the big O.

* * *
Perhaps you've missed signs of GOP life from Senator Corker of Tennessee and Senator McConnell of Kentucky, standing up to the bailout pushermen and women?

Perhaps you missed that that GOP brought Rip Van Winkle McCain pretty close--instead of TOTAL WIPEOUT--considering the head winds and resistance to Republicans & to ANYone NOT a liberal?

225 Syrah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:57:08am
226 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:57:16am

re: #212 SurferDoc

All kidding aside, I think the current tap dancing is to see if Rahm can be salvaged or if he has to fall on his sword. Does O have enough clout to get Rahm a teflon coat?

It is looking more and more like Rahm is done. Unless he was part of the sting and cooperated with the FBI investigation early on.

227 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:57:20am

re: #183 FrogMarch

'No contact whatsoever....' Why say that when there was contact? Why say that? People lie when they want to hide something.

He was talking about himself, "regarding this subject". Listen to the whole news conference.

/geez, the ODS is starting early

228 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:57:54am

re: #211 newsjunkie_ky

Thank you! That's what I'm saying, people need to get a sense of humor, we are going to need it for the next 4 years.

My point is this will fuel the crazies like the Nirthers.

229 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:57:59am

re: #221 zombie

Sigh....I'm not really going to make bumper stickers.

Looks like today is not my day for successful humor.

If it matters, I laughed.

230 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:58:15am

re: #219 Dianna

Well, that's fine, but why the lie by Obama? It was a stupid lie!

What if the feds asked him and Rahm to keep their mouth shut? Obama's comments looked to be carefully parsed.

231 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:58:16am

re: #215 Charles

"I"

Dude is slick.

232 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:58:34am

re: #226 Racer X

It is looking more and more like Rahm is done. Unless he was part of the sting and cooperated with the FBI investigation early on.

I think that, or some variant, is what they are trying to see if they can sell.

233 abilene  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:58:47am

re: #211 newsjunkie_ky

Thank you! That's what I'm saying, people need to get a sense of humor, we are going to need it for the next 4 years.

OK. No impeachment. War Crimes!

234 JacksonTn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:59:13am

re: #221 zombie

Sigh....I'm not really going to make bumper stickers.

Looks like today is not my day for successful humor.

Zombie ...FWIW ...I think it is funny ...cuz the alternative is too scary ...we better have a good sense of humor cuz we are gonna need it ...that said I don't want anything to happen to him that will hurt the country ...but we are not writing this script ...Obama is ...

235 Charles  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:59:15am

re: #231 Racer X

"I"

Dude is slick.

Not that slick. He said both "we" and "I".

236 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 10:59:59am

That was the Imperial "We" I believe.

237 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:00:03am

re: #231 Racer X

"I"

Dude is slick.

What if the feds asked the dude to keep his mouth shut? Obama's comments looked to be carefully parsed. Maybe he was doing something helpful?

238 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:00:09am

re: #203 Syrah

Et Tu Blago?

Make your own.


I used "FAUXPE" Now, I have to explain it.

FAUXPE = FAUX + HOPE - HO

239 Dianna  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:00:20am

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

What if the feds asked him and Rahm to keep their mouth shut? Obama's comments looked to be carefully parsed.

Perhaps.

I still don't like the way Obama came out and spoke at that press conference. It annoys me. Whether it ends up being a flat out lie or not, it has all the hallmarks of one.

240 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:00:26am

re: #221 zombie

Sigh....I'm not really going to make bumper stickers.

Looks like today is not my day for successful humor.

Take it as a compliment, these days we all want to laugh but we also all want to see each other make a nickel, if you have a good idea and people encourage it that is a good thing.

241 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:00:46am

re: #219 Dianna

Well, that's fine, but why the lie by Obama? It was a stupid lie!

Because he is a coward and a political survivor who does whatever he has to do to survive. This cowardly streak I see in him makes it necessary for him to surround himself with heavy handed thugs like Rahm. They do for him what he is too impotent to do for himself. When he is put directly on the spot - he lies in self defense.

242 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:00:53am

re: #235 Charles

Not that slick. He said both "we" and "I".

Well, Charles, I have to ask you opinion on this (which I just posted)...

What if the feds asked the dude to keep his mouth shut? Obama's comments looked to be carefully parsed. Maybe he was doing something helpful?

243 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:01:04am

re: #235 Charles

Not that slick. He said both "we" and "I".

"We" in the royal sense? He is prepared to "rule" from day one you know. His staffer said so.

244 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:01:18am

re: #218 DistantThunder

Why would Alexelrod mispeak when he said very definitively "I Know" they've spoken.

I do not know. but the double speak and the back-tracking and the silence are all very odd.
I think the Obama campaign has enjoyed such easy success dodging, lying and manipulating a compliant press - they don't know what hit them.

245 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:01:28am

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

What if the feds asked the dude to keep his mouth shut? Obama's comments looked to be carefully parsed. Maybe he was doing something helpful?

Carefully parsed ALSO works in cases of CYA, Walt...

246 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:01:57am

blago is such a pos he was going to block an 8 million dollar allocation to a children's hospital because he hadn't received his 50,000 dollar political donation from them.
that tells me everything i need to know abt that assh*le.
a sociopath.
O campaigned for him. spoke at fund raisers on his behalf. worked w/ him for yrs.
but of course the O has, yet again, managed to remain a saint, in spite of so much graft, vice and depravity swirling all around him.
the O is untainted.
lol

247 Earick  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:02:02am

Oh, hell! I think I'll do a shot every time the msm defends the BigO!

Now that will get me through the next four years!

248 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:02:07am

re: #203 Syrah

Et Tu Blago?

Make your own.

Posted mine this morning in the overnight thread.

[Link: www.pentdego.com...]

249 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:02:16am

re: #227 Killian Bundy

He was talking about himself, "regarding this subject". Listen to the whole news conference.

/geez, the ODS is starting early

He did change the "we" to "I". /My ODS is my business.

250 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:02:30am

re: #245 Karridine

Carefully parsed ALSO works in cases of CYA, Walt...

Correct. But that is why I am asking the question. At this point we have no more facts to know if it is an either/or comment.

251 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:02:38am

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

What if the feds asked him and Rahm to keep their mouth shut? Obama's comments looked to be carefully parsed.

Walter -

Agreed - there is something off-putting about the comments from Obama and Co. Were it I, and I was clean, I would be bragging about it unless there were substantive reasons not to.

-S-

252 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:02:46am

re: #246 nyc redneck

The O cannot detect evil.

253 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:02:58am

re: #221 zombie


"Looks like today is not my day for successful humor.

"

Uh uh uh uh .. not so fast .. "The Senate is Not For Sale" is funny!

254 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:03:04am

re: #221 zombie

Sigh....I'm not really going to make bumper stickers.

Looks like today is not my day for successful humor.

I'm sorry. I guess it's that I can't totally envision people like Nirthers jumping on the impeachment bandwagon.

255 albusteve  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:03:06am

humorous piffle about impeachment is irony lost to the Left...someone will no doubt file a friggin lawsuit

256 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:03:24am

Meanwhile, take a look around, the MSM isn't exactly beating the drums for this story. If this was the other way around we would have "stunning new revelations" daily. I think the plan is to make Blago a crazy crook and walk away.

257 Steffan  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:03:41am

re: #74 itellu3times

Well, hmm, exactly what is the wording of the statute that would be violated in this case? Generic bribery, I assume. Must actually be laws to that effect, but presuming that this has not yet taken place, it would have to be conspiracy to violate these other laws, but even conspiracy requires specific acts and states of mind. Without doubting the alleged events actually took place, I still wonder if any of it is provable in a court of law.

This prosecutor is the same Patrick Fitzgerald who railroaded Scooter Libby, right? Is this his make-good?

You can find it in 18 USC Chapter 11.

It covers bribery, graft, and conflicts of interest.

Sec. 211. Acceptance or solicitation to obtain appointive public
office

-STATUTE-
Whoever solicits or receives, either as a political contribution,
or for personal emolument, any money or thing of value, in
consideration of the promise of support or use of influence in
obtaining for any person any appointive office or place under the
United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
more than one year, or both.
Whoever solicits or receives any thing of value in consideration
of aiding a person to obtain employment under the United States
either by referring his name to an executive department or agency
of the United States or by requiring the payment of a fee because
such person has secured such employment shall be fined under this
title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. This section
shall not apply to such services rendered by an employment agency
pursuant to the written request of an executive department or
agency of the United States.

258 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:03:48am

Bottom line: Obama has either stepped in some shit, or very nearly stepped in some shit, AND, people close to him are caught on tape saying and doing despicable things.

Nothing new here, move along.

259 Dianna  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:03:49am

re: #247 Earick

Oh, hell! I think I'll do a shot every time the msm defends the BigO!

Now that will get me through the next four years!

But what of your liver? That's going to an awful lot of shots!

260 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:03:50am

A question for web design nerds:

Is it better to use a cookie-cutter PHP template engine like Smarty or ETS, or to make your own?

261 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:04:07am

re: #235 Charles

Not that slick. He said both "we" and "I".

He corrected the "we" by substituting "I".
Why would he do that unless he knew that his people had discussed it with Blago, and so he was desperately trying to preserve some deniability?

262 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:04:26am

re: #235 Charles

Not that slick. He said both "we" and "I".

That was odd - I look for the 'qualifier' each time.

263 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:04:34am

re: #201 wahabicorridor

HOLA alegrias!

Ok, now Cognito has me thinking. To me, it's fairly clear that Obama wasn't going to pay to play. It's been known since 2006, I believe that the Blog was under investigation. What if Emmanual is not worried about the Senate seat scam, but about something else?

* * *
Rahm Emanuel survived all the Clinton scandals when he was a young man on the make, only to be felled by Chicago Obama scandals on the eve of his highest victory, now that he's a rich millionaire with something to lose!

Oddly enough, Emanuel made $16 million in two years, after leaving the Clinton administration. You bet he has something to lose.

264 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:04:36am

re: #256 SurferDoc

Meanwhile, take a look around, the MSM isn't exactly beating the drums for this story. If this was the other way around we would have "stunning new revelations" daily. I think the plan is to make Blago a crazy crook and walk away.

agree with that.....

265 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:04:42am

re: #254 Sharmuta

I'm sorry. I guess it's that I can't totally envision people like Nirthers jumping on the impeachment bandwagon.

Did anyone else notice that the Nirth Certifikit story made the front cover of Globe magazine? Now that it's in the tabloids, do you think the nirthers will take our word for it when we tell them how nutty they sound?

266 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:04:43am

re: #235 Charles

Not that slick. He said both "we" and "I".

It's unethical to not be forthcoming with what people are obviously asking.
It is an absence of candor:

: unreserved, honest, or sincere expression : forthrightness
267 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:04:56am

re: #251 Dr. Shalit

Walter -

Agreed - there is something off-putting about the comments from Obama and Co. Were it I, and I was clean, I would be bragging about it unless there were substantive reasons not to.

-S-

But, I will say, it's because of Obama's past record of friends and careful statements that make one suspect of "this" statement, even if he was following the wishes of law enforcement.

It's a dual edge sword, but until I have the facts, I can't begin to accuse him of anything.

268 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:05:02am

re: #252 Ojoe

The O cannot detect evil.

In the same way that water cannot detect its own wetness.

269 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:05:14am

The difference, folks, is that the left was deadly deadly serious about wanting Bush impeached. They even held mock impeachment trials, if you remember. Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment and got 37 votes in the House for it. Thousands of articles and essays on the topic were published, marches organized, etc. etc. Millions of people were deeply emotionally and financially invested in the "Impeach Bush" movement.

I, on the other hand, made a joke in a blog's comment section.

These two are not the same.

270 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:05:20am

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

Correct. But that is why I am asking the question. At this point we have no more facts to know if it is an either/or comment.

Exactly, Walter. I think it's a dangerous game, trying to pin something to Obama -- especially in light of Blagojevich's wiretapped comments -- with no real knowledge of what happened.

A recipe for egg on face.

271 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:05:25am

Well, my apologies, the pie didnt turn out as good as I hoped, but here is the
picture, anyway.

272 Semi Cartman  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:05:33am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

After all , the feds already said, in public, that the Obama people are not under any criminal investigation.


Did they say that? Or did they say something like 'Not the target of this investigation'? If so then everyone is invited to the party, sooner or later. Federal investigators have a habit of using clintonic language too. You get used to it in Illinois, where even the baggers at Jewel went to law school.

273 Syrah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:05:34am

re: #4 zombie

Time to start the "O-mpeach" movement.

The Ironic thing about this is that we won't have to start it. Some crazy, probably a code pinker or some such like, will have them made up shortly after inauguration day when The One fails to be the embodiment of their unrealistic hopes and desires.

The wackos on the fringe left eat their own.

274 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:05:46am
275 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:05:56am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

Well, Charles, I have to ask you opinion on this (which I just posted)...

What if the feds asked the dude to keep his mouth shut? Obama's comments looked to be carefully parsed. Maybe he was doing something helpful?

Then why wouldn't they say: We've been asked by Team Fitzgerald to not go into that.

276 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:06:34am

re: #221 zombie

Sigh....I'm not really going to make bumper stickers.

Looks like today is not my day for successful humor.

I got it. I was trying to do the same thing. You did it better, but some didn't get the humor.

277 unclassifiable  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:06:43am

You know O will beat this, but won't it be rich to see if there are any turncoat electors when the official electoral college votes on Monday?

278 JacksonTn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:06:57am

re: #271 Wishing

Well, my apologies, the pie didnt turn out as good as I hoped, but here is the
picture, anyway.

Wishing ...some of the most delicious things don't always look so great (but I think it looks just fine) ... I am sure it will be a big hit at the party ...I love blackberries ...

279 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:00am

Looks like another high powered Dem contributor goes down in flames:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Funny, many of these people seem to like to make their money 'the old fashioned way'- via fraud and deception, rather than producing something with tangible value to the economy and society.
Go figure...

280 zombie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:01am

re: #273 Syrah

The Ironic thing about this is that we won't have to start it. Some crazy, probably a code pinker or some such like, will have them made up shortly after inauguration day when The One fails to be the embodiment of their unrealistic hopes and desires.

The wackos on the fringe left eat their own.

BINGO!

I won't even need to make the bumper stickers. The Left will make them for me.

I already hear the rumblings around here.

281 albusteve  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:32am

re: #228 Sharmuta

My point is this will fuel the crazies like the Nirthers.

it may be futile to understand this...unstoppable...no one will listen if they dont want to....

282 SurferDoc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:34am

I'm going to sit tight and let the Progressives eat the O. More fun to watch that.

283 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:36am
284 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:47am

re: #228 Sharmuta

My point is this will fuel the crazies like the Nirthers.

They don't need us for fuel, they are stocked up for at least 4 years.

285 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:50am

re: #253 Daisy

"Looks like today is not my day for successful humor.
"

Uh uh uh uh .. not so fast .. "The Senate is Not For Sale" is funny!


*shout from heckler in audience* Senators are prostitutes!

Senator at the mike: "I didn't hear that!"

*Heckler* Senators go down for the highest bidder!

Senator at the mike: "I heard THAT! How much are you offering?"

286 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:51am

re: #271 Wishing

Well, my apologies, the pie didnt turn out as good as I hoped, but here is the
picture, anyway.

Be careful...is that a cross I see on your pie. The ACLU is watching.....
;)

287 Dianna  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:07:57am

re: #270 Cognito

While you are quite correct, the way Obama handled the question read like a lie to me.

I can't get over my sheer irritation.

288 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:08:01am

re: #278 JacksonTn

Wishing ...some of the most delicious things don't always look so great (but I think it looks just fine) ... I am sure it will be a big hit at the party ...I love blackberries ...

Blackberry pie is just the best! Add some vanilla ice cream, and you can forget the rest of the meal!

289 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:08:18am

re: #252 Ojoe

The O cannot detect evil.

and he is going to be potus.

290 wahabicorridor  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:08:41am

re: #263 alegrias

Well, I think it's way too early to consider Emmanual 'felled' - but I do understand your point.

gotta hop - time to feed The Fat Beagle

291 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:08:41am

re: #270 Cognito

Exactly, Walter. I think it's a dangerous game, trying to pin something to Obama -- especially in light of Blagojevich's wiretapped comments -- with no real knowledge of what happened.

A recipe for egg on face.

Oh, my. Too dangerous to even contemplate!

/

292 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:08:44am

re: #270 Cognito

Exactly, Walter. I think it's a dangerous game, trying to pin something to Obama -- especially in light of Blagojevich's wiretapped comments -- with no real knowledge of what happened.

A recipe for egg on face.

Shit, for once we agree. Someone help me. Charles, delete this comment by Cognito. I don't want this coming back and haunting me.

/:)

293 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:09:15am

re: #286 LGoPs

Be careful...is that a cross I see on your pie. The ACLU is watching.....
;)

LOLOL that is an X!

294 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:09:33am

re: #280 zombie

BINGO!

I won't even need to make the bumper stickers. The Left will make them for me.

I already hear the rumblings around here.

It won't be long until those who just like to whine and bitch will start up again. The left has no problem eating their own. They have nothing else to live for.

295 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:09:36am

re: #215 Charles

Yes, he did. This is a denial:

Asked what contact he'd had with the governor's office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

Obviously, he was responding in the context of the "Senate seat" controversy and referring to himself.

/if you're spinning "we were not" that's pretty thin, it sounds like a royal we slip that he quickly corrected after the comma

296 Picayune  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:09:40am

re: #67 ploome hineni

Rahm is sliding towards the bus

/look at how Nobama controls BIden.........where IS he? and of course now Rahm is incommunicado


Rahm who?

It's shades of Watergate already, with Rahm going underground, and the Fitz has yet to indict with Grand Jury. If they, O and the Combine, don't cork this quick, well, just imagine the laughs that will abound in these parts when Blago starts singing to the Fitz, for real.

Who did O know and when did he know them will be as important as What did O know and when did he know it! Imagine the number of O Team serious "tight asses" in Chi and DC these days.

Is Plugs reconsidering what his role may eventually be, already! Stay Tuned! The MSM can't hide this one. Bet Rahm has a good idea now of how Rove and Ken Star felt greeting the media at the front or side door of their residence each day. Got to Love it, and the Magic One is not even confirmed by the Electoral College yet. More 2 Come!

297 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:09:50am

re: #287 Dianna

While you are quite correct, the way Obama handled the question read like a lie to me.

I can't get over my sheer irritation.

I hear you. A lot of people feel irritated by Obama. Unfortunately we can't really move forward on feelings. Better to have facts.

(And I know you know that. Just thinking aloud.)

298 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:09:55am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

What if the feds were behind it? What if Rahm knew that the feds had wiretaps? What if the feds ask Obama and his camp to keep their mouths shut.

After all , the feds already said, in public, that the Obama people are not under any criminal investigation.

Yep.
But its interesting, isn't it, that B0 lied anyway when asked a dircet question.
He might have said that he can't say anything as its an ongoing investigation.
End of story.

But no - he had to lie. Seems like a reflex action. re: #271 Wishing

Well, my apologies, the pie didnt turn out as good as I hoped, but here is the
picture, anyway.

Looks good to me!

299 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:09:57am

re: #167 Occasional Reader

Um, that was Bush (41)'s call, not Powell's.

* * *
Lo siento mucho Occasional, but it was POWELL who declined to kill Hussein's republican guard on the Highway to Hell.

I blame Powell, who was no Petraeus.

300 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:10:31am

re: #269 zombie

The difference, folks, is that the left was deadly deadly serious about wanting Bush impeached. They even held mock impeachment trials, if you remember. Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment and got 37 votes in the House for it. Thousands of articles and essays on the topic were published, marches organized, etc. etc. Millions of people were deeply emotionally and financially invested in the "Impeach Bush" movement.

I, on the other hand, made a joke in a blog's comment section.

These two are not the same.

You tell 'em. I have neighbors who still have their Impeach Bush signs posted at the end of their driveways. Serious Moonbats.

301 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:10:42am

re: #292 Walter L. Newton

Shit, for once we agree. Someone help me. Charles, delete this comment by Cognito. I don't want this coming back and haunting me.

/:)

Walter! Listen very carefully to what I'm saying! *grabs shoulders, starts shaking* We all care about you! Don't slip away!

;)

302 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:10:45am

re: #279 BigMoo

Looks like another high powered Dem contributor goes down in flames:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Funny, many of these people seem to like to make their money 'the old fashioned way'- via fraud and deception, rather than producing something with tangible value to the economy and society.
Go figure...

And FYI, as I mentioned in another thread, his name is pronounced Bernard "made off."

303 jcm  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:10:49am

UPDATE:
Oregon bank bomb blast.

Police identify colleagues killed in Woodburn bomb blast

Colleagues today described the two law-enforcement officers killed in Friday's bomb blast here as dedicated professionals and family men.

Senior Trooper William Hakim, a bomb squad technician with the Oregon State Police, and Capt. Tom Tennant of the Woodburn Police Department were killed when a bomb exploded at a West Coast Bank branch.

Woodburn Police Chief Scott Russell remains in critical condition in the intensive care unit at OHSU Hospital. A bank employee suffered non-life threatening injuries.


Prayers for the families and co-workers of those lost protecting all of us.

304 Semi Cartman  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:11:01am

re: #190 lifeofthemind

It does not say that you have to be a current government official at the time that you are impeached. In theory anybody at any tie could be brought up on charges.


This sounds like Pre-peachment to me. Untested, but I like it!

305 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:11:07am

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

And FYI, as I mentioned in another thread, his name is pronounced Bernard "made off."

Heh. The irony...

306 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:11:09am

re: #295 Killian Bundy


It all depends on the meaning of the word "is"...

Besides, this is all just a big distraction from the coronation of the 'Messiah'.

307 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:11:10am

re: #298 yma o hyd

Looks good to me!

Thanks yma!

308 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:11:13am

re: #298 yma o hyd

Heh.
Looks like some malfunction in my browser.
Sorry, folks!

309 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #271 Wishing

Well, my apologies, the pie didnt turn out as good as I hoped, but here is the
picture, anyway.

the crust looks so nice and flakey. do you use butter or lard.
what kind of pie is it.
btw, i've got the ice cream.
:D

310 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:12:06am

re: #303 jcm

UPDATE:
Oregon bank bomb blast.

Police identify colleagues killed in Woodburn bomb blast


Prayers for the families and co-workers of those lost protecting all of us.

My prayers added.....

311 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:12:25am

re: #249 FrogMarch

He did change the "we" to "I".

/exactly, listen to it, sounds like a quickly corrected royal we slip to me

312 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:12:27am

re: #269 zombie

The difference, folks, is that the left was deadly deadly serious about wanting Bush impeached. They even held mock impeachment trials, if you remember. Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment and got 37 votes in the House for it. Thousands of articles and essays on the topic were published, marches organized, etc. etc. Millions of people were deeply emotionally and financially invested in the "Impeach Bush" movement.

I, on the other hand, made a joke in a blog's comment section.

These two are not the same.

I think Impeach Obama bumperstickers would be hilarious - just to shock the left that anyone would actually be thinking that. Doing it as a joke.

Mr Dt taught a group of special forces right after the election. One of them was black. The discussion inevitably turned to stocking up on guns but especially ammunition on which Obama has previously voted to raise taxes. The black guy was incredulous and asked MR DT privately - "Where are you all getting this that Obama is going to restrict guns and ammunition? How can you believe that?"

He really was in an Obama bubble. So just to pop some bubbles - I like the idea of an impeach Obama bumpersticker - the question is who would risk the car damage?

313 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:12:37am

re: #302 Walter L. Newton


Made-off....How sickly ironic. What cracked me up was that he was released on a $10 million bond-but claims he has nothing. I guess his definition of 'nothing' is a bit different than mine...

314 NYCHardhat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:13:08am

re: #126 zombie

What sub-slogan do you prefer for my "O-mpeach" bumperstickers?
(The "O" will be an Obama logo)

"No Liars in the White House"

or

"The Senate Is Not For Sale."

or

"Blah! Go home already."

How about:
What have we done?

315 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:13:19am

re: #310 LGoPs

My prayers added.....


Mine too. Frickin sad.

316 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:13:27am

re: #279 BigMoo

Looks like another high powered Dem contributor goes down in flames:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Funny, many of these people seem to like to make their money 'the old fashioned way'- via fraud and deception, rather than producing something with tangible value to the economy and society.
Go figure...

How do you know he was a dem - I guess if he was a republican - they would have said so.

317 Wishing  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:13:50am

re: #309 nyc redneck

the crust looks so nice and flakey. do you use butter or lard.
what kind of pie is it.
btw, i've got the ice cream.
:D

NOT LARD! Blecch!
Crisco vegetable shortening, and it is blackberry pie!
I wish I could send you a piece of it, but it is a dedicated pie. LOL

318 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:13:51am

re: #305 gclaghorn

Heh. The irony...

Yes. The first time I read the name this morning, I pronounced it, in my head, "mad off." But a little later this morning, I heard a radio news story about this, and the reporter pronounced it Bernard "made off."

319 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:14:25am

re: #314 NYCHardhat

How about:
What have we done?

"O has to go!"

320 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:14:34am

re: #269 zombie

The difference, folks, is that the left was deadly deadly serious about wanting Bush impeached. They even held mock impeachment trials, if you remember. Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment and got 37 votes in the House for it. Thousands of articles and essays on the topic were published, marches organized, etc. etc. Millions of people were deeply emotionally and financially invested in the "Impeach Bush" movement.

I, on the other hand, made a joke in a blog's comment section.

These two are not the same.

How dare you make a joke on a blog! Guards - seize him... her.. it....
;-)

321 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:14:53am

re: #316 DistantThunder

How do you know he was a dem - I guess if he was a republican - they would have said so.


Quite a ways down into the article he was identified as a 'major democratic contributor' or words to that effect.

322 NYCHardhat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:14:54am

re: #319 Racer X

"O has to go!"

O M G

323 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:15:03am

re: #311 Killian Bundy

/exactly, listen to it, sounds like a quickly corrected royal we slip to me

It's not designed to clarify, but to raise more questions. This is classic obfuscation and it is unethical.

324 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:15:14am

re: #309 nyc redneck

the crust looks so nice and flakey. do you use butter or lard.
what kind of pie is it.
btw, i've got the ice cream.
:D

Oh - and another btw, speaking of pies and ice cream: ist 'Rahm' the German word for double cream?

325 bosforus  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:15:28am
Rahm Emanuel Talked with Blagojevich About Obama's Senate Seat

Hence Obama's statement "we had- I had no contact...".

326 Earick  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:15:36am

"The O has to go!"

I love it!

327 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:15:49am

re: #311 Killian Bundy

/exactly, listen to it, sounds like a quickly corrected royal we slip to me

Please don't make me listen to it again! Unlike the blind-faith left, I'm not impressed with Obama's rhetorical flourishes.

328 Bloodnok  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:15:55am

re: #314 NYCHardhat

How about:
What have we done?

What hath fraud wrought?

329 Charles  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:15:57am

re: #295 Killian Bundy

Obviously, he was responding in the context of the "Senate seat" controversy and referring to himself.

/if you're spinning "we were not" that's pretty thin, it sounds like a royal we slip that he quickly corrected after the comma

I disagree. And I've lost patience with the idea that we have to give politicians a break when they are very obviously weaseling. When did it become acceptable practice to deliberately choose words that can be spun whatever way the politician wants?

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

330 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:16:44am

re: #322 NYCHardhat

O M G

"Take Barack Back"

331 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:16:50am

re: #313 BigMoo

Made-off....How sickly ironic. What cracked me up was that he was released on a $10 million bond-but claims he has nothing. I guess his definition of 'nothing' is a bit different than mine...

Different than yours, mine and a shit load of other Americans. I'm telling you, we have a ruling plutocracy in this county. I'm hands down sure of that.

332 NYCHardhat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:16:52am

re: #328 Bloodnok

What hath fraud wrought?

I like it alot!

333 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:16:54am

re: #296 Picayune

Obama and Friends can work with sociopaths, make deals, get action and 'make things happen', BUT when reality (The Feds with court orders) start squeezing them, those very same sociopaths will SQUEAL LIKE PIGS for their own benefit.

It is WHO THEY ARE! They have no conscience to inhibit their blatant backstabbing! Loyalty? Blago is loyal to BLAGO! He's ANGRY at Obama!

334 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:16:54am

re: #323 DistantThunder

It's not designed to clarify, but to raise more questions. This is classic obfuscation and it is unethical.

indeed.

335 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:16:56am

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

Yes. The first time I read the name this morning, I pronounced it, in my head, "mad off." But a little later this morning, I heard a radio news story about this, and the reporter pronounced it Bernard "made off."

Same!

336 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:17:08am

re: #314 NYCHardhat
LOL! LOVE IT!

337 stuiec  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:17:10am

re: #57 Cognito

In any case, it seems -- from the Blagojevich tapes -- that Obama or his 'people' didn't actually take part in any sort of auction. It seems strange to me -- strange to the point of unlikelihood -- that they would

1) Know about the Great Senate Seat Auction, yet

2) Not partake in it, yet

3) Not report it to the authorities.

Without some other yet-unknown variable, those circumstances are so contradictory as to not make sense. We'll see what comes out, though


If Rahm Emanuel is on wiretap tapes, it boils down to two possibilities:

1) He knew he was being taped.

2) He didn't know he was being taped.

Rahm Emanuel doesn't strike me as the kind of person foolish enough to tempt fate by having a phone conversation that he knew was being taped. If he did have a conversation knowing he was being taped, he would certainly have chosen his words with exquisite care.

If he didn't know he was being taped, and he (in the normal course of delivering the wish list of the man about to be elected President and leader of the Democrat Party) heard a hint, request or demand for compensation from the other party in the conversation, why would he want to open a can of worms by turning around and telling the authorities right after that phone call? After the story broke and he realized he was likely on tape, then yes, I'd expect he'd contact the investigators to give the correct context (i.e., spin) to what they heard on the tapes.

The most likely reaction from Emanuel to that request would be, "You know you're not getting a quid pro quo for this appointment, and you're going to do what the President-Elect wants. You'd be a fool not to, because we could make the rest of your term very unpleasant." Emanuel likes to make things unpleasant for people who don't go along with his political objectives.

The question to be answered is whether Emanuel tacked onto the end, "Just do what the President-Elect wants, and eventually you'll be very pleased with his expression of gratitude for your cooperation." Not an offer of a quid pro quo -- only an assurance of a reciprocal boon, freely given.

338 NYCHardhat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:17:22am

re: #330 Racer X

"Take Barack Back"

Please arrest this Hussein.

339 albusteve  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:17:32am

re: #326 Earick

"The O has to go!"

I love it!

O-Nadda!

340 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:17:50am

So...I guess the "Messiah's" honeymoon period didn't even make it to the inauguration ?
How delicious.
And sad.

341 jcm  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:17:52am

re: #330 Racer X

"Take Barack Back"

Obama-Return to sender!

342 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:18:08am

re: #329 Charles

I couldn't agree more!

343 jwb7605  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:18:24am

re: #329 Charles

I disagree. And I've lost patience with the idea that we have to give politicians a break when they are very obviously weaseling. When did it become acceptable practice to deliberately choose words that can be spun whatever way the politician wants?

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

Whitewater and Jennifer Flowers, in my opinion.
People (and the press) were impressed at the ease and art of the spin.

344 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:18:45am

re: #314 NYCHardhat

How about:
What have we done?

Don't Blame Me - I voted for Ron Paul! ahhahahahahahahaha

345 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:18:57am

re: #317 Wishing

NOT LARD! Blecch!
Crisco vegetable shortening, and it is blackberry pie!
I wish I could send you a piece of it, but it is a dedicated pie. LOL

my gramma always used lard. the best is goose fat. especially cooked out of a seasoned goose and used for a savory pie.
i always use butter.
blackberry is my favorite pie, along w/ apple, peach, plum, cherry, pecan, and i'll just stop there.
enjoy it. somebody is lucky. a homemade pie is a special gift.
oh, i forgot rhubarb. love that too.

346 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:18:59am

re: #340 BigMoo

So...I guess the "Messiah's" honeymoon period didn't even make it to the inauguration ?
How delicious.
And sad.

And disgusting.

347 albusteve  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:19:07am

O-Noez!

348 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:19:07am

re: #329 Charles

I disagree. And I've lost patience with the idea that we have to give politicians a break when they are very obviously weaseling. When did it become acceptable practice to deliberately choose words that can be spun whatever way the politician wants?

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

I'd hold fire, there, for the moment. There are still many possibilities, and there's nothing to lose by waiting to hear what the federal investigators have to say.

Patience pays.

349 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:19:11am
350 NYCHardhat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:20:01am

re: #329 Charles

I disagree. And I've lost patience with the idea that we have to give politicians a break when they are very obviously weaseling. When did it become acceptable practice to deliberately choose words that can be spun whatever way the politician wants?

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

What do you mean by the bold italic word?

351 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:20:14am

re: #331 Walter L. Newton

Different than yours, mine and a shit load of other Americans. I'm telling you, we have a ruling plutocracy in this county. I'm hands down sure of that.


I'm starting to believe you're right-And it starts and could be stopped right in Washington DC. These people have created perks and perpetual prosperity for themselves that would cause a Politburo Leader to blush.

352 Syrah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:20:15am

re: #319 Racer X

"O has to go!"

"O has to go!"

353 rollingdivision  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:20:17am

re: #337 stuiec

Agreed there is no way he would participate if he knew he was being taped.

354 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:20:30am

re: #349 ploome hineni

These people think they are beyond the law

Absotively!

355 NYCHardhat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:20:40am

re: #344 debutaunt

Don't Blame Me - I voted for Ron Paul! ahhahahahahahahaha

I love it. Don't blame me, I'm batshit and voted for Ron Paul.

356 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:20:50am

re: #351 BigMoo

I'm starting to believe you're right-And it starts and could be stopped right in Washington DC. These people have created perks and perpetual prosperity for themselves that would cause a Politburo Leader to blush.

... or go green with envy!

357 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:20:56am

re: #346 Daisy

Copy that !

358 Bobibutu  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:21:01am

re: #8 rightymouse

I see that Chez Mousey needs more popcorn. This is shaking out to be quite a mess for "O".

Good afternoon RM

If he can screw something this simple up - the mind boggles at what future worldwide possibilities await us.

Might want to tighten up on your seatbelt.

359 MSMediacritic  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:21:04am

A couple of years ago, some libtards around here started putting "I'm changing the environment! Ask me how!" bumper stickers on SUV's. The local paper made them out to be heroes.

I think we should do the same with "Impeach Obama" stickers on Prius's. That way... we wouldn't have to risk any car damage. To our cars, anyway. :)

360 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:21:22am

re: #329 Charles

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

Well, we've known for some time now that Obama is a weasel with a truth deficit. I guess my point is, he's not going to get so much as a scratch from this.

/if Emanuel ends up under the bus, fine with me, the guy's a real jerk

361 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:21:28am

re: #329 Charles

I disagree. And I've lost patience with the idea that we have to give politicians a break when they are very obviously weaseling. When did it become acceptable practice to deliberately choose words that can be spun whatever way the politician wants?

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

We shouldn't need magic decoder rings to figure out what Obama is trying to say. It's shady - because he is shading his words. Get it? It is unethical, because his goal is not to help us understand what really happened, but rather to protect himself and his team. If that isn't obvious, well.......

Would you do business with Obama? Would you make him the trustee of your children's estate? I absolutely would not. He's failed test after test of character as far as I'm concerned.

362 Charles  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:21:39am

re: #348 Cognito

I'd hold fire, there, for the moment. There are still many possibilities, and there's nothing to lose by waiting to hear what the federal investigators have to say.

Patience pays.

Look, I have not said Obama is guilty of anything -- except lying, and that seems dead obvious to me. What I take away from his weasel words is that he almost certainly knew that discussions had taken place, and was doing everything he could to avoid admitting it.

363 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:22:00am

Shamelessly projecting/hoping - So, if Emmanuel takes the hit for this, does that mean our youth will not be forcibly conscripted as Community Organizers? Or will that be Bill Ayer's point of entry?

364 stuiec  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:22:08am

re: #303 jcm

Isn't this the kind of "destruction of property" attack that William Ayers said was innocent protest and not harmful to humans?

365 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:22:16am

re: #329 Charles

I disagree. And I've lost patience with the idea that we have to give politicians a break when they are very obviously weaseling. When did it become acceptable practice to deliberately choose words that can be spun whatever way the politician wants?

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

Declarative sentences.

366 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:22:30am

I'm withholding judgment until Ron Howard makes the movie, "Fitzgerald/Obama"! That's the only leftist movie for which I'm dropping a dime.

"All Obama's Men" would be another great movie Woodward & Bernstein won't touch with a ten-foot pole. Because Obama was "All The Media's President."

Yeah, I know, don't hold my breath. But all thishigh crimes talk is making me nostalgic for Nixon's clumsy Cuban plumbers.

367 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:22:32am

dems are famous for parsing the meaning of "is".

368 NYCHardhat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:22:57am

re: #367 nyc redneck

dems are famous for parsing the meaning of "is".

See 350.

369 jcm  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:23:04am

re: #350 NYCHardhat

What do you mean by the bold italic word?

Depends on what you mean by bold italic word.

370 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:23:25am

re: #329 Charles

I disagree. And I've lost patience with the idea that we have to give politicians a break when they are very obviously weaseling. When did it become acceptable practice to deliberately choose words that can be spun whatever way the politician wants?

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

It started with Clinton.....people thought it was cute to dissect what 'is' meant..........I would've slapped him and sent him off to the corner for a goddammed time-out.
Harumph.

371 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:23:32am

re: #356 yma o hyd

... or go green with envy!


I recall an old Eddie Murphy movie called 'The Distinguished Gentleman'- not a great movie, but an excellent representation of what DC and our Congress must be like.

372 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:23:37am

re: #362 Charles

Look, I have not said Obama is guilty of anything -- except lying, and that seems dead obvious to me. What I take away from his weasel words is that he almost certainly knew that discussions had taken place, and was doing everything he could to avoid admitting it.

Is it possible O, and Emanuel, was cooperating with the Feds?

373 Iron Fist  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:24:21am

re: #360 Killian Bundy

Hey, man, hold on. I used to have a pet weasel. I know weasels. Obama is no weasel. Lying rat-bastard is more like it.

And I agree nothing is going to come of this. If Obama murdered someone on the Capitol steps in front of hundreds of witnesses something might be done. But probabaly not.

374 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:24:27am

re: #366 alegrias

I'm withholding judgment until Ron Howard makes the movie, "Fitzgerald/Obama"! That's the only leftist movie for which I'm dropping a dime.

"All Obama's Men" would be another great movie Woodward & Bernstein won't touch with a ten-foot pole. Because Obama was "All The Media's President."

Yeah, I know, don't hold my breath. But all thishigh crimes talk is making me nostalgic for Nixon's clumsy Cuban plumbers.

"Few Good Men"

375 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:24:46am
376 NYCHardhat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:24:47am

Has this ever happened before? The president elect involved in scandals before he took office.

377 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:24:50am

re: #351 BigMoo

I'm starting to believe you're right-And it starts and could be stopped right in Washington DC. These people have created perks and perpetual prosperity for themselves that would cause a Politburo Leader to blush.

My problem is I don't believe it can be stopped in DC. No one makes it to DC unless they are going to be of some use to the plutocracy. It doesn't matter who we vote in, they are going to be part of the problem or else they won't make it one term in DC. I've said this numerous times here...

There will be a civil was in the United States with in 20 years.

Much of what has been happening in DC over the last 6 months is a prime example of the control the plutocracy has over this country.

Just get out a calculator, do the math, look at your finances, who is the final winner? No you.

378 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:24:58am

re: #369 jcm

Depends on what you mean by bold italic word.

LOL - these are the "good" old days.

379 Syrah  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:25:03am

re: #372 Racer X

Is it possible O, and Emanuel, was cooperating with the Feds?

I think that they were strongly advised that it would be in their interest to do so. After the fact.

380 stuiec  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:25:06am

re: #329 Charles

I disagree. And I've lost patience with the idea that we have to give politicians a break when they are very obviously weaseling. When did it become acceptable practice to deliberately choose words that can be spun whatever way the politician wants?

If I had a friend who weaseled around like that, he wouldn't be a friend for very long. Why do we let politicians get away with this crap? Bah.

When Clinton said, "I didn't inhale," that was the deal-breaker for me and the start of my Damascene conversion to conservatism. It was a simple question and the guy couldn't simply own up. We're seeing a lot of that in the incoming Obama Administration already.

I am not sure that lawyers make the best Presidents -- not anytime post-Lincoln, anyway.

381 rollingdivision  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:25:17am

re: #376 NYCHardhat

It is a change.

382 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:25:34am

re: #296 Picayune

Rahm who?

It's shades of Watergate already, with Rahm going underground, and the Fitz has yet to indict with Grand Jury. If they, O and the Combine, don't cork this quick, well, just imagine the laughs that will abound in these parts when Blago starts singing to the Fitz, for real.

Who did O know and when did he know them will be as important as What did O know and when did he know it! Imagine the number of O Team serious "tight asses" in Chi and DC these days.

Is Plugs reconsidering what his role may eventually be, already! Stay Tuned! The MSM can't hide this one. Bet Rahm has a good idea now of how Rove and Ken Star felt greeting the media at the front or side door of their residence each day. Got to Love it, and the Magic One is not even confirmed by the Electoral College yet. More 2 Come!

"Pic" -

Seems the real question regarding Former US Senator Obama is -

"WHAT DIDN'T HE KNOW and WHEN DIDN'T HE KNOW IT?"

That is all.

-S-

383 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:25:53am

re: #360 Killian Bundy

I guess my point is, he's not going to get so much as a scratch from this.

/unless, of course, he doesn't produce the information regarding staff contacts that he said he was gathering and would release "in a few days", that could leave a mark

384 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:13am

re: #362 Charles

Look, I have not said Obama is guilty of anything -- except lying, and that seems dead obvious to me. What I take away from his weasel words is that he almost certainly knew that discussions had taken place, and was doing everything he could to avoid admitting it.

Obama has no credibility with me and never has:
1) His fishy house deal and relationship with Rezko
2) He attended the same "Church" for 20 years and " Knew Nothing"
3) Was best friends with a radical Palestinian But " Knew Nothing"
4) Is the only honest Politician in Chicago?

Maybe it's only me but doesn't anyone else see a pattern here?

385 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:20am

re: #358 Bobibutu

Good afternoon RM

If he can screw something this simple up - the mind boggles at what future worldwide possibilities await us.

Might want to tighten up on your seatbelt.

Afternoon!

Yes - the worldwide possibilities boggle my mind too.

I figure it won't take long before the scales drop from the saner moonbats. World peace and love, indeed. He's going to need to handle the Chicago sharks properly before he can ever go on to deal with people even nuttier and more corrupt than they are or could ever dream of becoming.

386 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:33am

re: #372 Racer X

Is it possible O, and Emanuel, was cooperating with the Feds?

If they were, what is wrong with saying that its an ongoing investigation and he can't say anything?
I mean - he's lawyer, ffs, he should know that phrase!

387 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:35am

re: #349 ploome hineni

Blog knew he ws being wiretapped, and that didn't stop him from talking freely and felling invulnerable

these people think they are beyond the law

i bet he knew he was going down and he was trying to bring others down w/ him. that's why he kept talking freely.
he called the O a mtherfcker. there is no honor among thieves.
blago is a maniac.

388 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:42am

re: #362 Charles

Look, I have not said Obama is guilty of anything -- except lying, and that seems dead obvious to me. What I take away from his weasel words is that he almost certainly knew that discussions had taken place, and was doing everything he could to avoid admitting it.

It's not dead obvious. Nothing is obvious yet.

There are so many unknown factors that the odds of accidentally describing the true scenario are astronomically bad.

When, for instance, did Emanuel speak with Blagojevich? I believe it was November 4, which was before Obama selected him to join the team; it's entirely possible that Emanuel was jockeying for that spot by reaching out to Blagojevich and proposing a list of candidates he felt Obama would find "acceptable."

And so forth, forever and ever. There's no motivation to jump ahead of the facts here, and every motivation to wait and hear what they are.

389 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:48am

re: #375 ploome hineni

no way

Really? No possible way? And now he is just trying to hold on to some of the supporters he just back stabbed?

390 Daisy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:56am

re: #382 Dr. Shalit

"Pic" -

Seems the real question regarding Former US Senator Obama is -

"WHAT DIDN'T HE KNOW and WHEN DIDN'T HE KNOW IT?"

That is all.

-S-

Bumpersticker/rotating title nomination.

391 albusteve  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:57am

re: #380 stuiec

own up?...OWN UP?...how quaint

392 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:27:06am

re: #359 MSMediacritic

A couple of years ago, some libtards around here started putting "I'm changing the environment! Ask me how!" bumper stickers on SUV's. The local paper made them out to be heroes.

I think we should do the same with "Impeach Obama" stickers on Prius's. That way... we wouldn't have to risk any car damage. To our cars, anyway. :)

You sound just like the MSM your screen name claims to criticize.

393 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:27:22am

re: #341 jcm

Obama-Return to sender!

Barak, back! Screw it again, wheels turning round and round!

or

/ '...no black cards can make you money
So you hide them when you're able
In the land of milk and honey
You must put them on the table...'

Let's see how Obama plays his cards, JCM...

394 Racer X  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:27:51am

re: #386 yma o hyd

If they were, what is wrong with saying that its an ongoing investigation and he can't say anything?
I mean - he's lawyer, ffs, he should know that phrase!

Ahhh.. excellent point.

395 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:28:41am

re: #349 ploome hineni

Blog knew he ws being wiretapped, and that didn't stop him from talking freely and felling invulnerable

these people think they are beyond the law

* * *
These people think they are the law! Supposedly that's a line in Ron Howard's new movie, attributed to that Chicago-lite politician, President Nixon.

396 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:28:43am

re: #370 LGoPs

It started with Clinton.....people thought it was cute to dissect what 'is' meant..........I would've slapped him and sent him off to the corner for a goddammed time-out.
Harumph.

I think Obama and Clinton both have only child syndrome. They grew up in households where they didn't have an older sibling that said - "Do that again - and I'll beat you." I watch how my kids keep each other honest - and refuse to cooperate with those that stretch the truth. It takes a healthy family to raise a moral child - there are rare exceptions. I think Obama and Clinton both had very dysfunctional families.

397 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:28:54am

re: #386 yma o hyd

If they were, what is wrong with saying that its an ongoing investigation and he can't say anything?
I mean - he's lawyer, ffs, he should know that phrase!

I thought he was a community organizer?

398 jcbunga  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:28:54am

...and so let us all remember the wisdom of Jimmy Carter, who said in his inaugural address:

"You have given me a great responsibility—to stay close to you, to be worthy of you, and to exemplify what you are. Let us create together a new national spirit of unity and trust. Your strength can compensate for my weakness, and your wisdom can help to minimize my mistakes."

Eeeewyucch!

399 DistantThunder  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:29:34am

re: #380 stuiec

When Clinton said, "I didn't inhale," that was the deal-breaker for me and the start of my Damascene conversion to conservatism. It was a simple question and the guy couldn't simply own up. We're seeing a lot of that in the incoming Obama Administration already.

I am not sure that lawyers make the best Presidents -- not anytime post-Lincoln, anyway.

And the press all laughed along with his joke - no outrage.

400 stuiec  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:29:35am

re: #349 ploome hineni

Blog knew he ws being wiretapped, and that didn't stop him from talking freely and felling invulnerable

these people think they are beyond the law

I give Rahm Emanuel credit for more intelligence and cunning than Blago.

If Emanuel knew Blago was being wiretapped, he would know that anything sounding remotely like a bribe would be poisonous. So he might make a phone call to tell Blago who Obama approved for the Senate seat even knowing it was being taped, but he would be sure to keep his end of the conversation squeaky-clean.

401 BigMoo  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:29:38am

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

My problem is I don't believe it can be stopped in DC. No one makes it to DC unless they are going to be of some use to the plutocracy. It doesn't matter who we vote in, they are going to be part of the problem or else they won't make it one term in DC. I've said this numerous times here...

There will be a civil was in the United States with in 20 years.

Much of what has been happening in DC over the last 6 months is a prime example of the control the plutocracy has over this country.

Just get out a calculator, do the math, look at your finances, who is the final winner? No you.

Sadly, I may in my 'Scooter store scooter" by then (paid for by the taxpayers BTW)-but I'll strap an AR to it and get engaged-lol

But seriously, when an electorate has an 8% approval rating for a group of officials-and they continue to go down a path against the wishes of the electorate..what's a person to do ? Thomas Jefferson
knew...

402 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:29:45am

re: #384 Nevergiveup

Obama has no credibility with me and never has:
1) His fishy house deal and relationship with Rezko
2) He attended the same "Church" for 20 years and " Knew Nothing"
3) Was best friends with a radical Palestinian But " Knew Nothing"
4) Is the only honest Politician in Chicago?

Maybe it's only me but doesn't anyone else see a pattern here?

Sure, I said it above. His credibility is certainly shaky, through years of relationships and "knowing nothing."

It still doesn't condone random bouts of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

403 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:30:10am

re: #397 Nevergiveup

I thought he was a community organizer?

He studied community organising at Harvard Law?


///

404 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:30:51am

re: #374 Racer X

"Very Damn Few Good Men"

405 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:30:51am

"prior to" November 4, that should have said.

406 Nevergiveup  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:31:04am

re: #402 Walter L. Newton

Sure, I said it above. His credibility is certainly shaky, through years of relationships and "knowing nothing."

It still doesn't condone random bouts of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Yeah, but from I see here most people are just letting off steam and having a little fun. Not serious ODS.

407 alegrias  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:31:09am

re: #362 Charles

Look, I have not said Obama is guilty of anything -- except lying, and that seems dead obvious to me. What I take away from his weasel words is that he almost certainly knew that discussions had taken place, and was doing everything he could to avoid admitting it.

* * *
Charles, of course Obama "knew that discussions had taken place" --like those horrid vile "sermons" uttered by his pastor Rev. Wright and captured on videos sale, for twenty years, and Obama managed to avoid admitting it very well.

408 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:31:14am

re: #380 stuiec


I am not sure that lawyers make the best Presidents -- not anytime post-Lincoln, anyway.

I respectfully mean no offense to any lizard lawyers but I think that by training lawyers are disposed to dissection of the language. I think it's the essence of their business and as such, clarity should not be expected from them.

409 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:31:24am

re: #401 BigMoo

Sadly, I may in my 'Scooter store scooter" by then (paid for by the taxpayers BTW)-but I'll strap an AR to it and get engaged-lol

But seriously, when an electorate has an 8% approval rating for a group of officials-and they continue to go down a path against the wishes of the electorate..what's a person to do ? Thomas Jefferson
knew...

What's an AR?

410 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:31:42am

re: #366 alegrias


Yeah, I know, don't hold my breath. But all thishigh crimes talk is making me nostalgic for Nixon's clumsy Cuban plumbers.

And remember, Nixon's man DID TIME IN PRISON rather than sell Nixon to the Feds!

411 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:31:44am
412 Cognito  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:32:12am

re: #400 stuiec

I give Rahm Emanuel credit for more intelligence and cunning than Blago.

The one thing that seems proven beyond all question, so far, is the perfect idiocy of Rod Blagojevich.

413 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:32:22am

re: #407 alegrias

* * *
Charles, of course Obama "knew that discussions had taken place" --like those horrid vile "sermons" uttered by his pastor Rev. Wright and captured on videos sale, for twenty years, and Obama managed to avoid admitting it very well.

I think one of the things he studied at Harvard must have been 'Plausible Deniability and how to apply it' ...

414 LGoPs  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:32:47am

re: #384 Nevergiveup

Obama has no credibility with me and never has:
1) His fishy house deal and relationship with Rezko
2) He attended the same "Church" for 20 years and " Knew Nothing"
3) Was best friends with a radical Palestinian But " Knew Nothing"
4) Is the only honest Politician in Chicago?

Maybe it's only me but doesn't anyone else see a pattern here?

No, nothing to see here....move along.
/

415 JacksonTn  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:32:48am

re: #406 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but from I see here most people are just letting off steam and having a little fun. Not serious ODS.

My name is JacksonTN and I have ODS-lite ...

/half

416 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:32:49am

re: #406 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but from I see here most people are just letting off steam and having a little fun. Not serious ODS.

Then let's make it clear. How many Lizards think Obama should be impeached? And I am asking in all seriousness.