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Ethical axioms are found and tested not very differently from the axioms of science. Truth is what stands the test of experience.

Albert Einstein

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1 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:26:53pm

Truth.. objectively verifiable reality...

/What a concept, eh?

2 traderjoe9  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:27:05pm

Whats an axiom?

3 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:27:22pm

I'm not seeing enough electrons...I think I need a few more rum & cokes.

4 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:29:18pm

re: #2 traderjoe9

Whats an axiom?

Lizzie Borden took an axiom, gave her parents forty wacksiums...Something like that.

5 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:29:57pm

Damn, I Am Legend is way better than The Omega Man.

/a clear violation of the rule that remakes/sequels always suck compared to the original

6 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:30:39pm

re: #2 traderjoe9

Whats an axiom?

Its like a hatchetiom, but bigger. Cuts through gurf and misdirection, with a few simple whacks...

7 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:30:56pm

My sister seems indignant that I haven't responded to her Facebook invitation from a few weeks ago. I don't see what the big deal about that or myspace is...

8 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:31:47pm

re: #5 Killian Bundy

And a recent remake (non-Disney) of Peter Pan was actually very good, although NOT animated...

9 slokat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:32:44pm

"I'm here to take the test"
"...are you experienced?"

I wonder if Einstein would've enjoyed rock, or blogs for that matter?

10 Karridine  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:33:02pm

re: #4 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Dang.
Great minds float in the same gutters, or something like that... :D

11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:33:14pm

re: #7 Fenway_Nation

My sister seems indignant that I haven't responded to her Facebook invitation from a few weeks ago. I don't see what the big deal about that or myspace is...

Invitation to what?

12 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:34:37pm

re: #10 Karridine

Dang.
Great minds float in the same gutters, or something like that... :D

Keep digging deeper!

13 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:34:45pm

re: #11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


I guess get my own facebook page.

14 Steffan  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:35:16pm

An interesting item on Newsbusters:

Media Forgets That Wall Street Rip Off Artist is BIG Democrat Donor

The wires services and the rest of the Old Media have also been reporting on a scandal that doesn't have to do with Illinois Governor, Rod Blagojevich. But, like the Blago story line, the media seem to be forgetting one small aspect of the story of Wall Street rip off artist Bernard Madoff. Like Blago, Madoff's connections to the Democrat Party seem to be of little interest to the media.

Very few media stories of the fraud perpetrated by former Nasdaq chairman Madoff mentions the heavy financial support that Madoff has donated to the Democrat Party. Campaign contributions by Madoff show many thousands of dollars going to Democrat candidates and causes. Including $100,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign, thousands to Charles Rangel (D, NY), Charles Schumer (D, NY), and $6,000 to the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association. Madoff also gave generously to Senator Frank Lautenberg (D, NJ) who runs a charitable foundation that invested with Madoff.

15 wolfie  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:35:29pm

Full moon.
Ahwhooo

16 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:37:17pm

re: #15 wolfie

Full moon.
Ahwhooo

Is that what it is - thanks now I understand.

17 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:37:47pm

I'm just here for a late night drive by. Had to get off the last thread.

18 Rancher  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:38:04pm

re: #2 traderjoe9

Whats an axiom?

Don't axe me, mon.

19 mean Gene  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:38:26pm

Wow!
The Taj Mahal Hotel in Bombay, India is set to reopen before Christmas!
[Link: www.news24.com...]
Here's an understatement from the article:
''We dedicate our reopening to the city of Mumbai as affirmation of the values of courage, resilience and dignity''
Resilience!
That hotel was toasted!
This is amazing.
How long would an American hotel have sat unusable?

20 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:39:19pm

re: #13 Fenway_Nation

I guess get my own facebook page.

Cool! Although I never understood what all the hub-bub was about. If I wanted my life to be posted for all to see, I'd say I need to seriously look in the mirror and ask...Why?

21 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:39:38pm

re: #19 mean Gene

They must be a "right to work" country.

22 swamprat  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:40:20pm

re: #9 slokat
Just how high(and skilled) do you have to be to think of playing the feedback?

"Hendrix's playing wasn't that astounding; what was astounding was that he could still play with all that heroine in his system"

/not my belief, but quoted from the british sitcom "wheels on fire"

23 gmsc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:42:29pm

So, what does a town like Vegas do when casino after casino lays off employees by the thousands?

Naturally, the city make sure that Vegas residents stay out of work by instead going outside of the entire state and fly in AND employ an entire Texas town for an ad campaign!

Sure, the Mirage is hurting, too. However, they still seem to have enough money to revamp their entire volcano show and hire Robbie Knievel to jump over it.

Hey, MGM/Mirage - want to make him a real memorable Vegas attraction? Bill his act as something strange, unusual and memorable - something like: Robbie Knievel - The Man With a JOB!

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:44:44pm

re: #15 wolfie

Full moon.
Ahwhooo

I wouldn't know if it were a full moon or not...right now we are being snowed upon.

25 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:45:03pm

re: #2 traderjoe9

Whats an axiom?

10 cubits...

26 mean Gene  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:45:23pm

0bama's true colors are showing.

President-elect Barack Obama has already raised nearly $10 million in donations for next month’s inauguration, according to figures released by the transition Friday.

But unlike the president-elect’s campaign fundraising efforts, very few of the donations are coming in small dollar amounts. Of the 244 names disclosed Friday, 168 donors have given the maximum amount of $50,000.

By contrast, only 10 people contributed between $200 and $1000.

Any contributions totaling less than $200 were not disclosed, but few small dollar donors have contributed, the inauguration staff confirmed.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

168 TIMES $50,000 EQUALS $8,400,000.
Yup, nearly ten million.
And only a few rich friends.
No wonder he keeps choosing Clitonistas.
He doesn't know anybody else.

27 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:45:50pm

re: #23 gmsc

Riding, pun intended, his late dad's coattails.

28 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:46:49pm

re: #27 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Riding, pun intended, his late dad's coattails.

Getting paid better than his old man, though, I would bet.

29 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:47:01pm

re: #13 Fenway_Nation

I guess get my own facebook page.

i gave up on them when they insisted on a RL name/ID...

OPSEC.

30 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:48:38pm

re: #28 FurryOldGuyJeans

Getting paid better than his old man, though, I would bet.

Actually, adjusted for inflation to Evel's heyday in the 70's I doubt it.

31 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:49:03pm

re: #23 gmsc

Unreal. I guess every state is hurting. Arnold wants to raise our sales tax to 10.25 IIRC and triple our vehicle registration.

32 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:50:09pm

re: #31 Pvt Bin Jammin

Unreal. I guess every state is hurting. Arnold wants to raise our sales tax to 10.25 IIRC and triple our vehicle registration.

and what could possibly be wrong with that?

/recall II, coming soon to a voting booth near you.

33 gmsc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:50:52pm

re: #31 Pvt Bin Jammin

Unreal. I guess every state is hurting. Arnold wants to raise our sales tax to 10.25 IIRC and triple our vehicle registration.

In Vegas, it gets really nasty, because a huge chunk of our money comes from all the other states in the form of tourism. When other states hurt, the effect on Vegas is magnified.

34 sneezey  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:50:58pm

So who else hopes Eric Cantor runs against Obama in 2012?

35 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:51:14pm

re: #19 mean Gene

That hotel was toasted!
This is amazing.
How long would an American hotel have sat unusable?

It's a work ethic.
The last June I was in Indonesia. A power pole was knocked over by a coconut tree that was cut down during a hotel renovation. The transformer on the pole blew up (at first I thought it was a bomb! no kidding), power was out for blocks around.
Well within half an hour there was an a-frame on site, lifting the pole with the help of any local that wanted to help. The electric company had a new pole up and rewired in about an hour and a half. The whole operation looked like controlled chaos.But the job got done right away cause it needed doing.

Today I watched 6 city and county workers take 3 hours to cut up a medium size tree that had fallen onto the only road to my condo. I know these were union guys pulling in double time pay. Two guys running chain saws and four guys holding the ground steady.

Ethics...union and non-union...

36 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:52:56pm

re: #34 sneezey

So who else hopes Eric Cantor runs against Obama in 2012?

care to mention why we should view him as wonderful?

37 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:53:48pm

re: #30 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Actually, adjusted for inflation to Evel's heyday in the 70's I doubt it.

Go rain on someone else's parade, would ya? ;)

38 gmsc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:53:51pm

re: #34 sneezey

So who else hopes Eric Cantor runs against Obama in 2012?

I don't care if Eddie Cantor runs against 0bama, as long as we get him out of office as soon as possible.

Any candidate who will help get rid of the 0bamanation of an economy before we all live in Barack's barracks (aka Depression-era tent cities) is OK by me!

39 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:53:53pm

re: #13 Fenway_Nation

I guess get my own facebook page.

I'd do that, but I don't have the face for it.

40 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:53:57pm

re: #34 sneezey

So who else hopes Eric Cantor runs against Obama in 2012?

I would love to see that. I've been talking about him here for awhile.

41 Rancher  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:54:53pm

re: #5 Killian Bundy

Damn, I Am Legend is way better than The Omega Man.

/a clear violation of the rule that remakes/sequels always suck compared to the original

Thank you, watched it again today and was trying to remember what movie was similar. Omega Man was great but Legend was greater. The rule on song remakes stil holds however.

42 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:55:34pm

re: #31 Pvt Bin Jammin

Unreal. I guess every state is hurting. Arnold wants to raise our sales tax to 10.25 IIRC and triple our vehicle registration.

Guess it would be unfair for the illegals to start paying their "fair" share, eh?

43 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:55:44pm

re: #32 redc1c4
LOL I'd like to recall his ass but I think it's a little late now. Grey Davis was worse. Do you think we'll ever get anybody semi-decent? I'm pretty sick of the "Soviet Socialist Republic of California". Reagan was the only good guy we ever had, in my memory.

44 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:58:11pm

re: #42 FurryOldGuyJeans

Guess it would be unfair for the illegals to start paying their "fair" share, eh?

"but, they contribute so much to our economy and our cultural life..."

/moonbat

45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:58:22pm

re: #37 FurryOldGuyJeans

Go rain on someone else's parade, would ya? ;)

I'm Sorry. But it's the coattails. Like Kyle Petty following his Dad Richard, or Dale Jr. following his dad. Do as good as their old man did, then I'll consider them equal. Until then, they're imposters.

46 gmsc  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:58:46pm

re: #5 Killian Bundy

Damn, I Am Legend is way better than The Omega Man.

/a clear violation of the rule that remakes/sequels always suck compared to the original

Too bad the film version of I am Legend dropped the entire point of the book. The whole idea of the book is that the infection is normal, and Neville is the murderous biological deviant.

47 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:59:06pm

re: #43 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL I'd like to recall his ass but I think it's a little late now. Grey Davis was worse. Do you think we'll ever get anybody semi-decent? I'm pretty sick of the "Soviet Socialist Republic of California". Reagan was the only good guy we ever had, in my memory.

no. the only thing keeping us here is the weather.

48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Dec 13, 2008 11:59:40pm

re: #45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm Sorry. But it's the coattails. Like Kyle Petty following his Dad Richard, or Dale Jr. following his dad. Do as good as their old man did, then I'll consider them equal. Until then, they're imposters.

FYI- NASCAR Father/Son references if you didn't know.

49 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:00:00am

Ethical axioms are found and tested not very differently from the axioms of science. Truth is what stands the test of experience.

So did Einstein believe in moral absolutes or not? The first statement maybe? The second statement maybe not?

50 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:00:10am

re: #20 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #39 Wyatt Earp

Never really understood the appeal of 'Hey-I-Think-I'll-Post-Some-Pictures-of-Myself-Online-And-Have-Strangers-Validate-My-Day-To-Day-Existence' social networking sites...

51 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:01:07am

re: #43 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL I'd like to recall his ass but I think it's a little late now. Grey Davis was worse. Do you think we'll ever get anybody semi-decent? I'm pretty sick of the "Soviet Socialist Republic of California". Reagan was the only good guy we ever had, in my memory.

I wonder if there are still people deluded enough to think Ahnold would make good Presidential material if we were to change the Constitutional requirements.

52 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:02:13am

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wonder if there are still people deluded enough to think Ahnold would make good Presidential material if we were to change the Constitutional requirements.

I think there are enough deluded people that you could get him elected US President without changing the Constitutional requirements.

53 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:03:22am

re: #49 Crux Australis

What Einstein believed outside of science makes not a whit of difference to me at this juncture. I don't refer to him for moral guidance.

54 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:04:06am

re: #42 FurryOldGuyJeans

To be fair, there's probably a small percentage that do and get their withholding of taxes sent in, etc. I get so overly irritated about the illegal criminals that come up here. There was a recent petition to get them deported immediately and they didn't get enough signatures. It made me sick. I'm really beginning to think that those countries are giving a free plane ticket to their rapists, etc., just to get them out of dodge.

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:04:11am

re: #52 gmsc

I think there are enough deluded people that you could get him elected US President without changing the Constitutional requirements.

Makes me wonder if the number might be something in the range of 62 million, eh?

56 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:04:22am

Ethiopia to withdraw from Somalia: Hope! Change!

57 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:05:34am

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

re: #39 Wyatt Earp

Never really understood the appeal of 'Hey-I-Think-I'll-Post-Some-Pictures-of-Myself-Onl ine-And-Have-Strangers-Validate-My-Day-To-Day-Exis tence' social networking sites...

Agree 100%. And who cares what others think about you? Other than family and close friends?

58 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:05:34am

re: #55 FurryOldGuyJeans

Makes me wonder if the number might be something in the range of 62 million, eh?

Bingo!

59 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:06:26am

re: #54 Pvt Bin Jammin

To be fair, there's probably a small percentage that do and get their withholding of taxes sent in, etc. I get so overly irritated about the illegal criminals that come up here. There was a recent petition to get them deported immediately and they didn't get enough signatures. It made me sick. I'm really beginning to think that those countries are giving a free plane ticket to their rapists, etc., just to get them out of dodge.

I just keep remembering the Mariel Boat Lift, thank you very much Mr. Carter. *BARF*

60 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:06:29am

re: #47 redc1c4

no. the only thing keeping us here is the weather.

You're probably right. I think the "artic storm" is only going to bring us 46 degree weather...bfd.

I have to say, I'm really really embarrassed by our politicians, tho.

61 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:06:57am

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

True, but I am also on facebook. Managed to get back in touch with a lot of school friends and stuff. I have a short friend list and it only has grown when I want it too. Besides if you are looking at someone who you don't know, you only get limited view. Like their name and picture.

/I also won't post anything that will come back to haunt me.

62 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:08:27am

Blagojevich Accused of being Chicago Mob Associate Years Ago:
Operation Gambat's Robert Cooley Says Blago Paid Street Tax to Chicago Mob

(Video available at link)

The Justice Department's star witness in the Operation Gambat federal trials,Robert Cooley, makes a stunning accusation against Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich.Cooley claims Rod Blagojevich ran a gambling operation for The Chicago Mob and paid the Mob a street tax.Go to the 13 minute and 45 second marker in the video.Here's Robert Cooley's quote on Rod Blagojevich:

When I was working with the government wearing a wire I reported.. I observed Rod the present Governor who was running a gambling operation out in the western suburbs he was paying street tax to the mob out there...

Congratulations, Governor Blagojevich, you are now qualified to run for mayor of Las Vegas. As you look ahead to your 8 future consecutive terms . . .

63 Killian Bundy  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:09:00am

re: #41 Rancher

Thank you, watched it again today and was trying to remember what movie was similar. Omega Man was great but Legend was greater. The rule on song remakes stil holds however.

/the poor dog was a gripping addition

64 stevieray  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:09:16am

re: #41 Rancher

Thank you, watched it again today and was trying to remember what movie was similar. Omega Man was great but Legend was greater. The rule on song remakes stil holds however.

I dunno... the Pixies version of "Head On" is better than the original by Jesus and Mary Chain. Splitting hairs, I know... they are both great, but the Pixies edge out J&MC.

65 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:09:26am

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

Lets face(book) it. Most of the teens that go there are looking for raunchy pics of their classmates. The others are older perverts looking for the same thing. It's a pathetic way to go through life.

66 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:09:52am

re: #61 BlueCanuck

/I also won't post anything that will come back to haunt me.

Didn't you know? Doing that is in the facebook terms of service, posting idiotic/incriminating photos and text. ;)

67 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:11:04am

re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans

So scientists who make statements about or advise on moral or ethical issues are over stepping the bounds of their profession?

68 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:12:33am

re: #65 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Lets face(book) it. Most of the teens that go there are looking for raunchy pics of their classmates. The others are older perverts looking for the same thing. It's a pathetic way to go through life.

What really gets me is the disconnect of the average poster on facebook thinking the Bush administration is doing excessive snooping into people's lives when they go full bore and post stuff that is truly beyond the pale of privacy.

69 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:12:58am

re: #67 Crux Australis

So scientists who make statements about or advise on moral or ethical issues are over stepping the bounds of their profession?

No, but then I don't give a rat's ass one way or the other.

70 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:13:46am

re: #67 Crux Australis

So scientists who make statements about or advise on moral or ethical issues are over stepping the bounds of their profession?

Overstepping the bounds of their profession? Yep.

Literally everybody does, unless you know of somebody who only talks, acts, and thinks of their work interest.

I once talked with a guy who owned a hardware store, but the discussion was about fishing, so he was overstepping the bounds of his profession.

71 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:14:13am

re: #62 gmsc

Blagojevich Accused of being Chicago Mob Associate Years Ago:
Operation Gambat's Robert Cooley Says Blago Paid Street Tax to Chicago Mob

(Video available at link)

Congratulations, Governor Blagojevich, you are now qualified to run for mayor of Las Vegas. As you look ahead to your 8 future consecutive terms . . .

Interesting to read that Tom Cruise's character in the movie "The Firm" was lloosely based upon Robert Cooley.

72 redc1c4  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:14:54am

re: #67 Crux Australis

So scientists who make statements about or advise on moral or ethical issues are over stepping the bounds of their profession?

if they do it under color of authority, as in "i'm a scientist and you're not...", yes. glow-bull warming and gun control, for two issues.

73 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:15:07am

re: #64 stevieray

I dunno... the Pixies version of "Head On" is better than the original by Jesus and Mary Chain. Splitting hairs, I know... they are both great, but the Pixies edge out J&MC.

Saw them (Pixies) live a few years ago during their reunion tour. Awesome!

I'm a child of 80's music. Ramones, Pixies, (older) REM, The Psychedelic Furs. These are the bands who occupy my mp3 player.

74 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:15:22am

re: #71 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Interesting to read that Tom Cruise's character in the movie "The Firm" was lloosely based upon Robert Cooley.

I think Cruise is loosely based on something vaguely resembling human, but then he could also be an alien. ;)

75 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:15:40am

Nite, lizards, I'm fading fast, Had a busy day, and a couple of nice Christmas parties with great people. Take care, all.re: #62 gmsc

Saving your post to read in the morning. Mayor of Vegas for sure.

76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:15:53am

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

What really gets me is the disconnect of the average poster on facebook thinking the Bush administration is doing excessive snooping into people's lives when they go full bore and post stuff that is truly beyond the pale of privacy.

Stupid is as stupid does...

77 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:16:32am

re: #76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Stupid is as stupid does...

They take stupid to a whole new quantum reality, seriously.

78 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:16:38am

re: #75 Pvt Bin Jammin

later pbj...

79 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:17:51am

re: #75 Pvt Bin Jammin

Nite, lizards, I'm fading fast, Had a busy day, and a couple of nice Christmas parties with great people. Take care, all.

Saving your post to read in the morning. Mayor of Vegas for sure.

Good night, PBJ!

80 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:17:56am

Prime example is Richard Dawkins.

81 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:18:27am

re: #78 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

later pbj...

Oh, Julie? Hubba hubba! You're a lucky man!

82 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:19:14am

re: #80 Crux Australis

Prime example is Richard Dawkins.

A prime example of what? Being a scientist?

83 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:20:17am

re: #77 FurryOldGuyJeans

They take stupid to a whole new quantum reality, seriously.

I like John Grisham's books. As usual, the movies seem to exaggerate Grisham's writing.

84 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:20:49am

re: #67 Crux Australis

You are correct. Also irrelevant are actors talking about politics,
Electricians talking about medevial art, Medical doctors talking about TV repair, democrats talking about morals, Jimmy Carter talking about Political courage, russia talking about quality cars, and the media talking about unbiased reporting.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:21:26am

re: #83 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I like John Grisham's books. As usual, the movies seem to exaggerate Grisham's writing.

I was referring to facebook posters, not Grisham's scribblings. ;)

86 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:21:27am

re: #80 Crux Australis

Prime example is Richard Dawkins.

"The God Delusion" author?

87 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:23:26am

re: #82 FurryOldGuyJeans

A prime example of what? Being a scientist?

Of a scientist who oversteps his professional bounds.

I happen to be a Christian btw,

88 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:23:47am

For those of you heading to bed, let me help you with a little Leo Kottke.

Brush your teeth
Put on your jammies
Get under your covers
Pull your puppy/kitteh up close
close your eyes

... and listen to Little Martha sing you a lullaby

89 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:23:57am

re: #81 Wyatt Earp

Oh, Julie? Hubba hubba! You're a lucky man!

Huh?

90 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:25:18am

re: #87 Crux Australis

Of a scientist who oversteps his professional bounds.

I happen to be a Christian btw,

As I said earlier I don't go to scientists for moral insights, nor do I go to pastors/preachers for science.

Big fat hairy deal he speaks on something he has no direct experience about. I don't get all hot and bothered by such stuff.

91 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:25:37am

re: #89 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Huh?

Your avatar.

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:28:36am

re: #91 Wyatt Earp

Your avatar.

Shoulda 'splained that first time around. ;)

93 dainn  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:29:03am

What an excellent quote!

Good old Albert was not only a genius, he was wise as well.

94 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:29:21am

Right, Wrong, and Meaningless
by James Sedgwick

• "Why do I keep dropping things?"
• "It’s the shoons."
• "What are shoons?"
• "Invisible beings that pull things out of your hands and throw them on the floor."
• "Why would I believe that?"
• "Well, if you can’t disprove it, you have to believe it."
• "But you didn’t prove it."
• "I can feel them. You can feel them too You’re just in denial."
• "Well I don’t believe it."
• "So you are an ashoonist."
• "What’s an ashoonist?"
• "One who arbitrarily refuses to believe in shoons. You wonder why you drop things, but you arbitrarily reject the explanation."
• "Okay then, I’m an ashoonist."
• "But ashoonists are all cynics and killjoys! Is that the kind of company you want to keep?"

What a silly way to argue! Or is it? If you separate the method of argument from the content, then you might notice that it is the most common of all methods of argument: the arbitrary declaration. They say that something is so, and you have to either disprove it or agree with it. Refusing to do either is joining the Meanies.

It’s a paradox. You cannot reject an assertion without reason, but you could waste the whole day finding reasons to reject arbitrary assertions. Ayn Rand’s epistemology solves the paradox by taking away permission to make assertions in the first place without reasons.

Come to think of it, where did that permission come from? If an assertion does not come with an observable connection to reality, why would anybody pay attention to it? Well, if it has to be either right or wrong, then you have to decide which, and you have to be reasonable. So you can’t reject anything without disproving it.

But what if a statement could be something else besides right or wrong? What if it could also be simply meaningless?

Right and wrong are relationships to reality – correspondence and non-correspondence. To judge a statement as right or wrong, you compare it to reality, by finding what part of reality it compares to. If a statement does not say what part of reality it compares to, then it is presented without connection to reality. It could mean all sorts of things, depending on where it fits in reality. Since that is not specified, it means nothing. It conveys words, but not meaning. Since you cannot call it right, and you cannot call it wrong, you call it arbitrary. Arbitrary means lacking any evidence of a relationship to reality.

To treat arbitrary assertions as right is to be a self-made sucker. To treat them as wrong is to try judging without evidence. The objective way is to realize that assertions without evidence are meaningless. No matter how much emotion they contain, nothing has been said.

Here’s a completion of the original argument:

• "Wait! Before you told me about the shoons, was I a shoonist, or an ashoonist?"
• "Well, neither. That word just meant nothing to you."
• "And it still means nothing to me. Try me again when you’ve got evidence."

95 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:29:38am

re: #92 FurryOldGuyJeans

Shoulda 'splained that first time around. ;)

Sorry. It's late here in Philly, and I just got home from a 11-hour shift.

96 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:29:50am

re: #91 Wyatt Earp

Your avatar.

Oh...Duh. I guess I should have known what you meant!

97 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:30:08am

re: #93 dainn

What an excellent quote!

Good old Albert was not only a genius, he was wise as well.

For a flawed human being he certainly was.

98 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:30:15am

Damn! There is a frog living between my drywall and house bricks that I can't get rid of. Luckily nowhere near my bedroom.

99 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:30:47am

re: #98 Crux Australis

Damn! There is a frog living between my drywall and house bricks that I can't get rid of. Luckily nowhere near my bedroom.

Bear Grylls would seek it out, find it, and eat it.

100 stevieray  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:32:38am

re: #73 Wyatt Earp

Saw them (Pixies) live a few years ago during their reunion tour. Awesome!

I'm a child of 80's music. Ramones, Pixies, (older) REM, The Psychedelic Furs. These are the bands who occupy my mp3 player.

Good stuff! The eighties get a bad rap nowadays. Lots of good music back then, lots of experimentation.

101 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:33:00am

re: #99 Wyatt Earp

Bear Grylls would seek it out, find it, and eat it.

Mmmm, frog's legs...

102 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:33:18am

re: #100 stevieray

Good stuff! The eighties get a bad rap nowadays. Lots of good music back then, lots of experimentation.

And that was when rap was good and non-threatening. :)

103 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:35:10am

re: #102 Wyatt Earp

And that was when rap was good and non-threatening. :)

I don't know about that. There was rap about eating bars (where the people meet) and eating cars (Cadillacs, Lincolns, too. Mercury and Subarus!).

104 Maximu§  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:35:20am

Any Robert E. Howard fans in here?

105 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:35:30am

re: #102 Wyatt Earp

And that was when rap was good and non-threatening. :)

The only good rap was what the nuns did...

106 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:37:34am

re: #105 FurryOldGuyJeans

The only good rap was what the nuns did...

Still, there was little of rap in the '80s that was about the stagnant, recurring theme of today's rap songs: "Yo, yo, yo, come f**k my b**ch."

107 Salamantis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:37:47am

Evolution is Nazi Commie Godless Atheist Bullshit! Any people who have been diabolically seduced into believing in such blasphemy, and any books that recommend it, should be burned in the town square like the heretical apostates they are, with much cheering, firewood and gasoline! Along with all genocidal pro-aborts, and all sodomite fags and fag-defenders!

Do I really need to add the /?

108 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:38:24am

re: #100 stevieray

Good stuff! The eighties get a bad rap nowadays. Lots of good music back then, lots of experimentation.

And when I was a kid, the 70's music got the same bad rap. I'll say this, and it's obviously my opinion, but since the 80's, music has gone downhill.

109 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:41:05am

re: #107 Salamantis

Evolution is Nazi Commie Godless Atheist Bullshit! Any people who have been diabolically seduced into believing in such blasphemy, and any books that recommend it, should be burned in the town square like the heretical apostates they are, with much cheering, firewood and gasoline! Along with all genocidal pro-aborts, and all sodomite fags and fag-defenders!

Do I really need to add the /?

What brought that on?

110 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:41:10am

re: #108 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

And when I was a kid, the 70's music got the same bad rap. I'll say this, and it's obviously my opinion, but since the 80's, music has gone downhill.

They said the same thing about Rock & Roll...the older generation wants to think music got worse as they grow older.

111 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:41:39am

Energy is matter. Matter is therefore energy. Energy in its solidified form is refered to as "matter". We are made of frozen light.

112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:41:43am

re: #107 Salamantis

Evolution is Nazi Commie Godless Atheist Bullshit! Any people who have been diabolically seduced into believing in such blasphemy, and any books that recommend it, should be burned in the town square like the heretical apostates they are, with much cheering, firewood and gasoline! Along with all genocidal pro-aborts, and all sodomite fags and fag-defenders!

Do I really need to add the /?

Whoa, put down the bong, dude. ;)

113 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:43:12am

re: #111 swamprat

Energy is matter. Matter is therefore energy. Energy in its solidified form is refered to as "matter". We are made of frozen light.

More like frozen energy. Light has characteristics of both energy and matter, and yet neither. Quantum mechanics is so unreal.

114 stevieray  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:45:21am
115 Salamantis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:45:35am

re: #109 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What brought that on?

I just felt a sudden need to directly lampoon that dogmatically imperialist neanderthal mindset. And nothing serves to ridicule it better than to just simply and univocally state it as it in sad reality at heart is.

116 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:46:01am

re: #107 Salamantis

Well, yeah. Now. But when Nero was running things...

A greatly misunderstood man. He did not hate christians, he merely found them difficult to light.

/but not these new Kingford Christians.

117 stevieray  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:47:11am

re: #108 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

And when I was a kid, the 70's music got the same bad rap. I'll say this, and it's obviously my opinion, but since the 80's, music has gone downhill.

There's still plenty of good stuff out there... ya just gotta find it!

On that note, goodnight!

118 Salamantis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:48:48am

re: #116 swamprat

Well, yeah. Now. But when Nero was running things...

A greatly misunderstood man. He did not hate christians, he merely found them difficult to light.

/but not these new Kingford Christians.

The last person (a woman) who was burned at the stake for being a witch in the New World was in Mexico, in 1955. By self-professed Christians.

119 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:50:28am

Just a few asides concerning the days:

Today is Dec. 14th, so...

Vanessa Hudgens turns 20
Ginger Lynn Allen turns 46
(Happy naked actress day!)
AC/DC's Cliff Williams turns 59
Dee Wallace-Stone turns 60
Patty Duke turns 62
60 Minutes creator Don Hewitt turns 86

5 years ago, President Bush first announced the capture of Saddam Hussein
36 years ago today, Eugene Cernan became the last person to walk on the moon.
105 years ago, the Wright bros. made their first flight attempt in Kitty Hawk, N.C.!
189 years ago, Alabama officially became a U.S. state.

Tomorrow (Dec, 15th), the electoral college meets to vote on the President and Vice-President. The choices are obvious, but it will be interesting to see if there are any faithless electors.

120 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:51:51am

re: #119 gmsc

Tomorrow (Dec, 15th), the electoral college meets to vote on the President and Vice-President. The choices are obvious, but it will be interesting to see if there are any faithless electors.

Highly unlikely considering they are anointed Our Messiah-King.

121 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:52:52am

re: #118 Salamantis
I know of a witch killed near York, Pa in the 70's. He was raping (very) young boys. Left hand path. Bad seed. Local legend states that birds no longer sing in that Valley. They would have killed him if he was a pastafarian, he just had it coming.

122 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:53:37am

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

Highly unlikely considering they are anointed Our Messiah-King.

PIMF! Anointing! Anointing!

I would bet a lot of the electors are going to be very proud of their role tomorrow in choosing O. Reminds me of the fervor about most dictators early in their reigns of terror.

123 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:55:50am

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

Highly unlikely considering they are anointed Our Messiah-King.

"Barack!
You've started to believe
The things they say of you
You really do believe
This talk of God is true

"And all the good you've done
Will soon be swept away
You've begun to matter more
Than the things you say

"Listen Barack
I don't like what I see
All I ask is that you listen to me
And remember
I've been your right hand man all along
You have set them all on fire
They think they've found the new Messiah
And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong"
-work in progress from my new musical, Barack 0bama Superstar

124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:56:40am

I'm outta here. Have a good night all. ttyl.

125 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:57:51am

re: #124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm outta here. Have a good night all. ttyl.

'Night, OMD!

126 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:00:20am

re: #118 Salamantis

I know that you are checking the net. Don't know what you'll find. Those people keep their own council. There are houses you can't drive directly to. It's not Kansas.

127 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:01:21am

What a Sad P*ssy

Rahm Emanuel is now whining that he’s been “receiving death threats” over his obvious involvement in one of the nastiest corruption scandals in the history of our nation, which is saying a bit when you talk about Democrats.

Back at his home, Emanuel appeared “beet-red,” according to an ABC News cameraman who was invited inside by Emanuel to use his bathroom this morning.

“I’m getting regular death threats. You’ve put my home address on national television. I’m pissed at the networks. You’ve intruded too much, ” Emanuel said, according to the cameraman.

Awww… What a sad, metrosexual pussy of a seemingly male member of the species. What happened to the Capone-like “man’s man” who once listed a number of defeated political enemies at a dinner, punctuating every cry of “DEAD!” by stabbing his steak knife into the table?

Time to brush the sand out of your vagina, “Rahmbo”, isn’t it?

And, by the way, where was your outrage when Joe the Plumber was subjected to similar treatment and worse simply because he’d had the nerve, nerve to ask your nutless empty suit of a Jug-Eared Marxist Freak Candidate an honest question that your neophyte dumbass Anointed One couldn’t answer without shooting himself in both feet?

Have a fucking cookie and a glass of milk, you gutless pansy masquerading as a man, because you’re beginning to annoy us with your whininess. Make mommy kiss it and it’ll be all better, we promise you.

Cowardly corrupt Chicago Machine fuck. It’s all fun and games bragging about how you’ve “killed” your political opponents until the shoe is on the other fucking foot, isn’t it?

128 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:02:50am

re: #127 gmsc

Easy to dish out, hard to take, ain't it?

129 Salamantis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:04:26am

re: #121 swamprat

I know of a witch killed near York, Pa in the 70's. He was raping (very) young boys. Left hand path. Bad seed. Local legend states that birds no longer sing in that Valley. They would have killed him if he was a pastafarian, he just had it coming.

There is a big difference between witches and satanists. Witches do not practice dark sides, or the left-hand paths.

But it makes no difference. Anyone who is a rapist pedophile, regardless of the religion they claim, deserves everything they get. Just like the ostensibly Christian serial murderers Bundy, and Gacy, and Dahmer, and Chikatilo received.

But this woman had done nothing untoward to anybody. And her murder was a heinous and egregious crime, regardless of the religious justifications her murderers proffered.

130 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:04:30am

re: #128 FurryOldGuyJeans

Easy to dish out, hard to take, ain't it?

Yep - No argument there!

131 Smilla  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:07:42am

re: #19 mean Gene

''We dedicate our reopening to the city of Mumbai as affirmation of the values of courage, resilience and dignity''

I love that. It's noble and touchingly innocent. Good. On. Them.

132 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:08:43am

re: #131 Smilla

I love that. It's noble and touchingly innocent. Good. On. Them.

Many in India are upset that the government's response was noble and touchingly innocent, as well.

133 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:09:26am

First pirates, now witches?

134 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:09:43am
135 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:09:53am

re: #129 Salamantis

I know the difference Sal. And I have heard of Christian zealots being extreme. And I know of one pagan who said that he walked into a satanist circle and broke their altar with the butt of his athemea. I believe him, too.

136 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:10:05am

re: #133 Sharmuta

First pirates, now witches?

Tomorrow night: Ninjas!

137 Smilla  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:10:44am

re: #132 gmsc

How so?

138 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:14:01am

re: #136 gmsc

Tomorrow night: Ninjas!

Nothing tops the evil that is Darwinists. ///

139 Salamantis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:14:08am

re: #135 swamprat

I know the difference Sal. And I have heard of Christian zealots being extreme. And I know of one pagan who said that he walked into a satanist circle and broke their altar with the butt of his athemea. I believe him, too.

Yes, Pagans are not anti-Christian; they are simply acolytes of other religions. For instance, Hindus.

140 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:14:16am

you may resume your regularly scheduled blogging

141 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:14:19am

re: #137 Smilla

How so?

Well, that was my cutesy way of saying that Indians are upset with their government for having such a poor crisis management infrastructure. Several things went wrong, including soldiers who hesitating firing, basic security measures that could have stopped even some of the terrorists, and so on.

142 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:15:02am

re: #139 Salamantis

Most of my family are.

143 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:15:34am

re: #138 Sharmuta

Nothing tops the evil that is Darwinists. ///

Yeah, but there are just aren't enough movies with Darwinists as the villains that have even halfway-decent action scenes in them.

///

144 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:16:51am

Don't look now, Sala, but Spar Kling showed up downstairs.

145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:18:11am

re: #143 gmsc

Yeah, but there are just aren't enough movies with Darwinists as the villains that have even halfway-decent action scenes in them.

///

I guess Hollywood is just too scared of being ridiculed as being scientific illiterate to seriously consider making Darwinists the true villains they are.

///

146 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:19:57am

re: #144 Sharmuta

whoosh!
clackety-clackety
(door slams)

147 Salamantis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:20:11am

re: #142 swamprat

Most of my family are.

I have been an eclectic Pagan for more than 30 years. We are decent people.

148 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:23:22am

re: #147 Salamantis

niece
nephew was
sister
mother/sort of
daughter
sil

149 Smilla  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:25:55am

re: #141 gmsc

Well, that was my cutesy way of saying that Indians are upset with their government for having such a poor crisis management infrastructure. Several things went wrong, including soldiers who hesitating firing, basic security measures that could have stopped even some of the terrorists, and so on.

Maybe, but India is a chaotic place at the best of times and mistakes are often made in the heat of battle. I hope improvements are made to protect people. You'll find many, more developed cities are just as vulnerable right now because they don't really believe this will happen to them or cannot afford to be on full alert all the time.

My point was that Indians are defiant, keeping life going in their city.

150 Salamantis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:26:12am

re: #144 Sharmuta

Don't look now, Sala, but Spar Kling showed up downstairs.

Thanxabunch. Dealt with.

151 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:27:08am

Good evening, fellow hatchlings and Senior Lizards. Tried REAL hard to read all of the last thread-but when it splintered, scrolled down, posted a comment and came here. Can I have the current topics, please?

152 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:29:14am

re: #151 Pietr
music
comparative religion
physics
pirates

153 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:30:37am

re: #149 Smilla

My point was that Indians are defiant, keeping life going in their city.

On that point, I can't argue with you.

154 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:33:21am

re: #151 Pietr

For what it's worth, I apologized to Charles for my role in that derailment. That should have been a better thread more dedicated to Charles' fine work.

I would say more, but it would be lost in this open thread by morning.

155 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:34:18am

Just a thought after seeing that 0bama coin commercial: If I order them, will I get a Certificate of Othenticity?

156 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:34:21am

Pirates suck.

157 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:34:31am

re: #116 swamprat

/but not these new Kingford Christians.

"Don't complain about the cold, you wicked child! Cold is simply God's way of telling us to burn more Catholics."
-- Lady White-Adder (England's Most Fanatical Puritan), in Black-Adder II

158 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:35:42am

re: #157 Throbert McGee

I love it!

159 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:35:47am

Arggg, shiver me timbers...

160 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:36:18am

re: #152 swamprat

The OT, someone posted about Ohms law, among other things the other night, and I 'tongue in cheek', said I wanted it repealed-as long as my computer still worked. What I'd really like repealed is Murphys' Law-and all the additions to it. "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong", Ad infinatum...to many add ons to remember. Comment?

161 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:36:57am

re: #159 eddiespaghetti

Arggg, shiver me timbers...

Ah, dude. Your crew walked the plank earlier tonight.

Just sayin'

162 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:38:06am

re: #160 Pietr

Too
tired
Cleverness
falling
away
Must
talk
like
..Shatner

163 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:40:08am

Yahhrg
Yawn.
Good night people.
You too, cognito!

164 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:41:27am

re: #154 Sharmuta

Hey-it's what we do...we often get sidetracked, even in life-Right? Any thread that exceeds 200 posts is probably gonna get sidetracked, IMHO. RW did keep trying to un-derail (is that a word) it, but peeps lose sight of things, here and in their lives. Good on you for recognizing, but you couldn't put it back on track, anymore than RW could-but you made the effort.

165 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:42:09am

Well, it's getting far too late, and I have a couple article to read in the morning.

Reviewing Fauxtography: A blog-driven challenge to mass media power without the promises of networked publicity by Nikki B. Usher

and

A Concise History of the Fauxtography Blogstorm in the 2006 Lebanon War

Absolute must-reads that will go into my bookmarks.

166 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:44:35am

re: #160 Pietr

The OT, someone posted about Ohms law, among other things the other night, and I 'tongue in cheek', said I wanted it repealed-as long as my computer still worked.

Aha! So you admit to being a member of the resistance!

What I'd really like repealed is Murphys' Law-and all the additions to it. "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong", Ad infinatum...to many add ons to remember. Comment?

Too many people complain about Murphy's Law, and too few take advantage of it.

Sure, bread will always land butter side down, but a cat will always land on its feet. Just think of the infinite energy that could be generated just by buttering your bread and strapping it to the back of cat!

167 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:45:58am

re: #161 Noam Sayin'

Walked the plank? I was looking for a keelhauling mate!

168 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:46:17am

re: #165 Noam Sayin'

Read my reply at the end of the thread, Amigo. I believe the lady missed the real point.

169 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:46:57am

re: #135 swamprat

And I know of one pagan who said that he walked into a satanist circle and broke their altar with the butt of his athemea.

I'm confused. Why didn't the satanists smite the pagan with their Elven Cudgel of Wrath (-40 HP)?

170 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:47:41am

re: #167 eddiespaghetti

Walked the plank? I was looking for a keelhauling mate!

I guess it's time to get out my special pirate keyboard.

171 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:48:55am

re: #166 gmsc

I'm confused-if I strap it butter side up on the cats back-which law wins? If I put it butter side down, it's full of fur, and inedible still. Can I get some clarification?

172 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:53:30am

re: #171 Pietr

I'm confused-if I strap it butter side up on the cats back-which law wins? If I put it butter side down, it's full of fur, and inedible still. Can I get some clarification?

Neither law wins - Ideally they cancel each other out, and the cat/buttered bread combination hover and spin almost frictionless!

The problem with actual execution of this theory is the difficulty in getting the correct relationship between the mass of the cat and the mass of the buttered bread to balance the forces.

173 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:54:26am

re: #171 Pietr

I think you are all including a step and complicating things. You don't strap a buttered piece of toast to the cat, you simply butter the back of the cat. Same principle should apply. Some one contact pBMB and see if we can get a study going.

174 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:55:12am

re: #173 BlueCanuck

I think you are all including a step and complicating things. You don't strap a buttered piece of toast to the cat, you simply butter the back of the cat. Same principle should apply. Some one contact pBMB and see if we can get a study going.

First the source of the forces must be understood. The force acting on the
bread is not the butter, as some may think. Without the bread, butter
wouldn't land bread side up, and therefore the force could not possibly be
in the butter. We know the force is not the bread because it has been
experimentally proven that bread does not land any particular side down
without butter. The bread/butter force is caused by the fusing of bread and
butter particles together. This fusion causes energy to be released in the
form of shifting gravity and anti-gravity energy to opposite sides of the
bread/butter continuum. The gravity energy naturally shifts to the butter
since it is denser then the bread, while the anti-gravity energy shifts to
the bread side.

The energy in a cat for landing on its feet comes from the feet themselves.
This has been proven experimentally. Cats without feet have a near zero
success rate of landing on their feet. We will call this energy cat foot
energy.

Considering the equal but opposing bread/butter and cat foot forces one
would expect the cat to spin violently about its axis. However the strength
of these forces must be considered. A regular cat is not structurally
stable enough to withstand the torque the spinning causes. I should not
have to describe the way the cat's limbs give way, the way the legs wrench
around until the feet are on the same side of the cat as the butter. And
thus the cat can then land on its feet, butter side down.

We are now researching the possibility of using structurally reinforced
cats for levitation systems, but so far the cost is too high to be
practical. Several attempts at producing economically viable systems were
made by separating the feet so that the instability of the cat would not be
a factor. At first there was dificulty because there was no cat to tie the
bread to. Later it was discovered that when not attached to a cat the feet
lost their cat foot force over time. It is hypothesized that the feet need
to be living to exert the cat foot force, and so far no practical method
has been found for keeping the feet alive other than a cat.

Attempts are also being made to breed flat cats with no legs (only feet).

There are many other problems related with this method of levitation as you
may well imagine, but they are beyond the scope of this discussion.

175 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:56:30am

re: #172 gmsc

Maybe if we use Peanut butter-more weight/mass-and use a long Italian or French loaf-unless whole wheat would be heavier?

176 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 1:58:00am

re: #175 Pietr

Maybe if we use Peanut butter-more weight/mass-and use a long Italian or French loaf-unless whole wheat would be heavier?

That's exactly the kind of excellent outside-the-box thinking this project needs!

177 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:00:04am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

178 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:00:26am

re: #176 gmsc

Aw, Shucks...(blush).

179 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:00:38am

re: #177 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you!

Just out of curiosity, when you drop fruitcup, which way does it land?

180 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:02:01am

gmsc!

Cat side up.

181 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:02:33am

OY. I forgot... gmsc! :-)

182 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:03:00am

At 4am, not sure whether it's morning or evening. Ma'm...thanks for the fruitcup. Would you like Coffee-I tend to make sure the Lizard Mansion has a fresh pot, since arriving?

183 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:04:03am

re: #180 littleoldlady

gmsc!

Cat side up.

Catsup?


We've been trying to work out what happens when you cross buttered bread with a cat. So far, the only answer we've got is: (buttered bread) * (cat) * (sin(theta))
;)

184 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:04:48am

Pietr! :-)

Thanks! I've been attempting coffee therapy for the past couple of hours.

/not working :-/
//got IV tube?

185 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:05:24am

re: #183 gmsc

MATH?! On a Sunday?!

/ack!

186 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:05:57am

re: #183 gmsc

Didn't you mean Cosine/Theta?

187 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:06:53am

re: #184 littleoldlady

Pietr! :-)

Thanks! I've been attempting coffee therapy for the past couple of hours.

/not working :-/
//got IV tube?

re: #185 littleoldlady

MATH?! On a Sunday?!

/ack!

You're right. At this time of the morning on a Sunday, it's a bad idea to drink and derive.

188 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:08:13am

re: #186 Pietr

Didn't you mean Cosine/Theta?

Oops! You're right - that explains the weird looks I kept getting from the cat.

189 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:08:42am

re: #187 gmsc

*smack!*

190 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:09:15am

re: #184 littleoldlady

I've noticed the Corner stores have something like 'extra shot/double shot' creamers with exta caffeine-plus they sell all those wierd drinks. If I were to get 1-I'd go with the 5 hour energy 1...IMHO.

191 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:10:21am

poor cat/

lol

192 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:10:41am

re: #189 littleoldlady

*smack!*

Thank you! I'm here all week!

193 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:12:18am

re: #190 Pietr

I keep looking at those little bottles. Maybe someday I'll buy one.

/if I can get the image of Alice in Wonderland out of my head first...

194 Salem  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:13:25am

re: #5 Killian Bundy

Damn, I Am Legend is way better than The Omega Man.

/a clear violation of the rule that remakes/sequels always suck compared to the original

I hAted it. Omega Man is seriously flawed, though.

195 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:13:41am

re: #191 Crux Australis

Good evening/morning? Crux! Not sure what portion of the day you're in right now. Gmsc and I have been trying to use Murphys' law to come up with an Infinite energy source-can you help?

196 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:19:17am

re: #194 Salem

I hAted it. Omega Man is seriously flawed, though.

The Homega Man was good, though.

197 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:23:45am

re: #195 Pietr

Good evening/morning? Crux! Not sure what portion of the day you're in right now. Gmsc and I have been trying to use Murphys' law to come up with an Infinite energy source-can you help?

It's well past 9pm Sunday night , lives in Australia.

Not sure about this universe - 2nd law of thermodynamics and all.

Not sure?

198 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:25:27am

re: #197 Crux Australis

It's well past 9pm Sunday night , lives in Australia.

Not sure about this universe - 2nd law of thermodynamics and all.

Not sure?

Eh, the 2nd law of thermodynamics is just a theor . . . oh, wait.

199 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:26:41am

Morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

200 Salem  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:27:26am

re: #196 gmsc

The Homega Man was good, though.

"Jeez! What's with all the death?"

201 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:28:41am

BlueCanuck! :-)

And where were YOU, young man?

202 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:29:31am

re: #199 BlueCanuck

Hey, Blue...You're back-good Early morning. Can you help gmsc and I on Murphys' law?

203 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:32:01am

re: #196 gmsc
When Marge and the kids pulled up the shotguns and fired, I died laughing...maybe I'm a sick puppy.

204 TheMatrix31  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:38:50am

That Rahm Emanuel is a corrupt, pansy piece of trash.

Hey Rahm, maybe the idea for the "Civilian Defense Force" could come to fruition and they could come and save your punk ass?

205 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:39:44am

re: #202 Pietr

Hey, Blue...You're back-good Early morning. Can you help gmsc and I on Murphys' law?

You know, maybe Crux had the answer:

re: #197 Crux Australis

Not sure about this universe - 2nd law of thermodynamics and all.

That's it! All our experiments have the exact same flaw - we've been performing them in this universe!

206 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:47:16am

re: #205 gmsc

Question is-do you have a working Moebius Strip, and do you know where your towel is?

207 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:49:14am

As you can see by my username I am very interested in Astronomy and Astrophysics. I have actually been thinking about this very thing recently.

208 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:49:53am

Would this song sound better of she didn't record it in the bathroom?

209 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:52:57am

re: #207 Crux Australis

Which is why I asked gmsc if he had a 'working' Moebius Strip. It is one sided-multidimensional-works thru time and space-I think I need different materials-but can't afford the amalgam I think would make it work. Ideas?

210 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:56:37am

re: #206 Pietr

Question is-do you have a working Moebius Strip, and do you know where your towel is?

Working Möbius strip - yep.

Towel - Hmm . . . towel? Towel? TOWEL?

211 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:59:04am

re: #210 gmsc

Working Möbius strip - yep.

Towel - Hmm . . . towel? Towel? TOWEL?

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe reference.

212 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 2:59:56am

Great, I left my towel inside my Klein bottle.

213 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:00:17am

Meh, keep getting distracted here. :/

/don't know what it is . . .

214 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:01:07am

re: #211 Crux Australis

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe reference.

Believe me, I recognized it immediately!

"Going through hyperspace is unpleasantly like being drunk."

"What's so unpleasant about being drunk?"

"Just ask a glass of water."

215 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:02:05am

re: #208 littleoldlady

Well, lol-I'm not sure she is actually using the toilet-tho it looks that way. She has a good voice-plays well-but there was no "ME" in the song. Every singer I like-emotes, puts themself into their singing-IE; Phil Collins singing 'in the air tonight'...
Phil

216 gmsc  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:02:16am

Perhaps a good night's sleep will help with these experiments.

Good night, all!

217 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:02:57am

re: #209 Pietr

Which is why I asked gmsc if he had a 'working' Moebius Strip. It is one sided-multidimensional-works thru time and space-I think I need different materials-but can't afford the amalgam I think would make it work. Ideas?

It could work but it would have to be made of frictionless materials.

218 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:07:17am

re: #216 gmsc

'Night, Amigo. It was fun trying to save the earth together...we'll try again later...Cheers.

219 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:09:26am

re: #217 Crux Australis

Not only frictionless-but superconductors-and that has been our stumbling block. Aargh...

220 Buster Bunny  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:11:09am

re: #218 Pietr

'Night, Amigo. It was fun trying to save the earth together...we'll try again later...Cheers.

I never save the earth before my morning cappucino and two croissants. Until then the world can die in a ball of flame. Full of caffeine, I'm Batman.

221 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:13:20am

Good Morning LGF.
Did anyone ever have the energy to tell Einstein that he had a massive need for a relatively short haircut?

222 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:14:03am

re: #220 Buster Bunny

G'Mornin', Buster-had your cappucino and croisants-or is the damn thing still gurgling with no results...LOL.

223 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:16:05am

re: #221 Spare O'Lake

Guess you don't want to see my hair and beard...LOL...Einstein was tame, I look like a RABID Biker...HeHe...

224 rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:16:15am

re: #109 Ozark Mountain Daredevil Someone brought up Dawkins.

225 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:20:14am

re: #208 littleoldlady

Would this song sound better of she didn't record it in the bathroom?

Couldn't sound much crappier.

226 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:22:29am

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

Very BAD pun-but I like puns...LOL.

227 Buster Bunny  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:22:59am

re: #222 Pietr

G'Mornin', Buster-had your cappucino and croisants-or is the damn thing still gurgling with no results...LOL.

Coffee didnt have enough fluff for a good cappucino. I'm still full of agro but i'll take it outside.

228 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:27:40am

re: #223 Pietr

Guess you don't want to see my hair and beard...LOL...Einstein was tame, I look like a RABID Biker...HeHe...

Even a pony tail or a mullet would've been an improvement, in theory.

229 rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:33:50am

re: #174 gmsc
Maybe use a domesticated Jaguarundi. Its a stout short legged cat most common Between Mexico and South America, all though small populations have been found in wooded areas of south Texas.

230 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:34:10am

re: #227 Buster Bunny

Coffee didnt have enough fluff for a good cappucino. I'm still full of agro but i'll take it outside.

What good is a cap without a good cap?

231 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:36:01am
232 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:45:13am

re: #231 littleoldlady

My favorite Christmas song.

LOL. I wonder if kids today would be interested in a hula hoop - my guess is no, unless there is some hula hoop software on the 'net which involves pRon, violence and/or the occult.

233 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:55:28am
234 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 3:59:28am
235 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:00:22am

ssshhh, we're sleeping.

236 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:01:23am

re: #232 Spare O'Lake

Now they have teams.

Many (many) years ago at my daughter's elementary school talent show a couple of sisters got up and did THE most amazing dance/gymnastics/tricks routine with hoola hoops. Synchronized. They won the contest hands down.

Of course, they're both in college now...

237 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:04:08am

Morning all. Has this been posted yet?

Fire hits Palin's church in Alaska

(CNN) -- A "suspicious" fire devastated the church attended by Alaska Gov. and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Friday night in her hometown of Wasilla, the church's minister said.

238 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:05:13am
239 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:05:19am

Good morning, Lizards!

{littleoldlady}
{BlueCanuck}
{Spare O'Lake}

littleoldlady, that's one of my favorites, too! I always make my boys waltz with me to that.

240 rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:05:32am

re: #237 Bubblehead II Worst part is Church was occupied when hte fire was set if it turns out being arson.

241 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:07:16am

Good morning {goddess}, really a dead thread this morning.

242 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:08:48am

re: #241 BlueCanuck

Good morning {goddess}, really a dead thread this morning.

Maybe this will wake people up!

243 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:09:04am

goddess! :-)

You should hear me sing that song!

/okay, maybe not.

;-)

244 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:10:18am

re: #240 rancher

Yep. total disregard for life if it turns out to be arson. Not trying to be snarky here, but if it was arson, will the msm describe it as a hate crime? Hell, will the msm report anything more on this or will they just sweep it under the rug.

245 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:10:47am

re: #243 littleoldlady

goddess! :-)

You should hear me sing that song!

/okay, maybe not.

;-)

This is my number 1 fav pop Christmas song

246 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:11:13am

Made a soup. Some to eat now. Some to freeze.

Made a lot more soup than I meant to. Anybody got extra containers that I can use. Made a lot more soup than I intended.

247 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:11:58am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Made a soup. Some to eat now. Some to freeze.

Made a lot more soup than I meant to. Anybody got extra containers that I can use. Made a lot more soup than I intended.

You can use ziplock bags. Just leave some room for expansion as it freezes.

{fbv}

248 rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:13:20am

re: #247 goddessoftheclassroom Yeah throw a serving in each ziplock then toss several ziplocks in a gallon freezer bag then if your just making a bowl for your self you pull out one if making for More than one pull out whats appropriate.

249 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:13:43am

OT-but I invite everyone who hasn't read the last thread to read the intro-plus the links-and then read my-'crap', I think it was my #484 coment, It gives my bonafides without real references, but some lizrds may remmber-or can view archives. I'm still learning the site as a hatchling-but a hatchlingwith a history, IMHO. Charles has a wonderfull mansion for the lizard community...Cheers.

250 rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:14:04am

re: #248 rancher
Just remember not to reheat the soup in the bag hehe.

251 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:14:20am

re: #247 goddessoftheclassroom

Cool! I did not know that (makes sense though).

252 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:14:45am

re: #239 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, teach'!

253 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:15:13am

Well time to go. Really should get up earlier :-)

L8R

254 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:15:55am

Goood batch of soup tooo. mmm. soup.

255 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:16:37am

re: #253 Bubblehead II

Well time to go. Really should get up earlier :-)

L8R

Have a great day!

256 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:16:52am

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Goood batch of soup tooo. mmm. soup.

Any meat in it? It isn't a good soup if their's no meat. ;)

257 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:16:58am

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Veggie or French Onion?

258 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:18:21am

re: #247 goddessoftheclassroom

You can use ziplock bags. Just leave some room for expansion as it freezes.
{fbv}

Is that better than using empty sour cream or margarine containers?

259 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:20:36am

re: #239 goddessoftheclassroom

Sorry, missed your good morn' post-or I'd have howdied back. Good Moorning, Goddess...(are you Aphrodite-(blush) )...cheers

260 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:20:53am

re: #258 Spare O'Lake

Is that better than using empty sour cream or margarine containers?

I think it's easier to store the bags.

261 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:21:39am

re: #259 Pietr

Sorry, missed your good morn' post-or I'd have howdied back. Good Moorning, Goddess...(are you Aphrodite-(blush) )...cheers

{Pietr}
More Athena than Aphrodite!

262 littleoldlady  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:22:12am

goddess,

Another personal favorite.

/a Jewish girl's Christmas song list ;-)

263 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:23:02am

re: #257 Pietr

Veggie...french onion is only right with beef stock, which is why I don't eat it...

Probably made 6 gallons. Funny. Big pot gets full, still had a bunch of crap to add to it, pull out another pot, start moving stuff back and forth... but I was able to add some stuff to a separate pot that my wife doesn't like, that I do like.

264 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:23:09am

re: #261 goddessoftheclassroom

Athena, the goddess of war and craft.

/and no, not your school arts and crafts craft either.

265 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:23:11am

re: #261 goddessoftheclassroom

Oops-guess this perv will have to behave...LOL.

266 tappin52  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:26:12am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Made a soup. Some to eat now. Some to freeze.

Made a lot more soup than I meant to. Anybody got extra containers that I can use. Made a lot more soup than I intended.

Sounds like your soup making style is build as you go. You know, I think I'll put this in, and some of that would go well in the pot, and maybe those leftover veges, and...

267 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:27:30am

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Re French Onion-Beef stock and a Lot of bread and cheese on top of each bowl served. Did you use broccoli or cauliflower in it-your veggie-I like to experiment in cooking-I believe food should taste good., and nourish..:>)

268 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:28:49am

re: #262 littleoldlady

goddess,

Another personal favorite.

/a Jewish girl's Christmas song list ;-)

I LOVE THAT MOVIE! I love that song! I love Margaret O'Brien! A trifecta!

269 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:29:44am

re: #264 BlueCanuck

Athena, the goddess of war and craft.

/and no, not your school arts and crafts craft either.

WISDOM, WISDOM! Although my glare is even better than Medusa's!

270 tappin52  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:31:52am

I made a really good fresh mushroom soup for dinner last night. After one of my sons dropped in...none left.

271 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:34:08am

re: #269 goddessoftheclassroom

We are both right. By craft, it is assumed to meant the craftiness of war. Instead of the brute force approach, more the sleight of hand. Like the Trojan Horse.

/Think of her as the greek diety akin to Sun Tzu.

272 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:35:28am

re: #270 tappin52

Ya Means-ICantzHasMushroom Soup...:>(

273 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:37:05am

re: #271 BlueCanuck

Yes, but she cheated a lot, IIRC...LOL.

274 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:37:05am

re: #260 goddessoftheclassroom

I think it's easier to store the bags.

Sounds good to me - and I guess it's easier to identify the contents, too.
It pisses me off when Mrs. O'Lake forgets to write the kind of soup on the container - then when I am dispatched to get the soup from the freezer I have to guess at what is in there. So I have to pry off the top to look, and sometimes I can't tell what the hell it is. And half the time the top breaks, too. So then I reheat something I think is soup only to discover that I have reheated tomato sauce or spaghetti sauce.
Then I get blamed for the screw-up...
ARRRGGHH!

275 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:37:06am

re: #271 BlueCanuck

We are both right. By craft, it is assumed to meant the craftiness of war. Instead of the brute force approach, more the sleight of hand. Like the Trojan Horse.

/Think of her as the greek diety akin to Sun Tzu.

More brains than beauty!

276 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:37:47am

re: #273 Pietr

Yes, but she cheated a lot, IIRC...LOL.

All's fair in love and war...

277 tappin52  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:38:13am

re: #272 Pietr

Sorry, not today :(

278 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:39:02am

re: #273 Pietr

Yes, but she cheated a lot, IIRC...LOL.

Well as we used to say. The dirtiest prick wins the war. (severly paraphrased). Besides, if you are going up against an army, and you only number a handful, cheating is encouraged.

279 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:42:30am

re: #276 goddessoftheclassroom

Touche! Personally, as an ex military type-we'd rather make love, rather than war. But we prepare for both... just fact...

280 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:43:15am

re: #278 BlueCanuck

Well as we used to say. The dirtiest prick wins the war. (severly paraphrased). Besides, if you are going up against an army, and you only number a handful, cheating is encouraged.

Personally, I prefer "All's fair in love and war".

281 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:45:17am

re: #278 BlueCanuck

No Blue-when outnumbered-CHEAT. Seems I do remember that one...LOL

282 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:48:35am

re: #281 Pietr

Well we never called it cheating. More like creative use of resources and talents at hand. Amazing what you can do with two guys, two rifles and a magazine at night.

283 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:51:03am

re: #282 BlueCanuck

Well we never called it cheating. More like creative use of resources and talents at hand. Amazing what you can do with two guys, two rifles and a magazine at night.

Brains vs. Brawn!

284 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:52:09am

re: #282 BlueCanuck

and A Kbar/bayonet finely honed...HeHe...oops, guess I revealed a sinister side...LOL

285 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:57:17am
286 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 4:59:26am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Made a lot more soup than I meant to. Anybody got extra containers that I can use.

See, this is how I rationalize eating cake frosting right out of the plastic tub -- when thing is empty, I wash it out and it's the perfect size for a serving of leftover soup!

/bachelor tricks

287 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:05:11am

re: #271 BlueCanuck As the sister of Ares/Mars athena was likewise given domain in war. However where Ares was the manifestation of brute force and prowess, Athena was given domain over tactics, and scouting/intell gathering aspects of war. Hense Ares/Mars wielding a Great Sword while Athena wielded a bow and was often called the huntress.

288 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:09:12am

re: #260 goddessoftheclassroom

I think it's easier to store the bags.

Depends on your freezer, I guess. For me, Ziploc bags would be a terrible way to store soup -- once frozen, they're relatively heavy AND irregularly shaped, and thus I'd have an avalanche of them clattering to the floor every time I opened the freezer. So I use empty plastic tubs for soup, since they stack well, and store lightweight things (like, say, chopped onions or leftover baked goods) in the bags.

289 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:13:21am
290 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:13:47am

re: #287 Rancher

Hence Ares/Mars wielding a Great Sword while Athena wielded a bow and was often called the huntress.

Are you sure you aren't confusing Athena with Artemis? (The latter was goddess of the moon and hunting -- and like Athena, was a perpetual virgin.) I just ask because I thought that the spear was Athena's usual weapon, not the bow.

291 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:15:05am

re: #288 Throbert McGee It all depends on how you pack the bags putting only a serving in each bag leaving a bit of expantion room and then putting hte individual servings in a larger gallon freezer bag leaves em pretty stackable and take up much less space than 30 margarine containers.

292 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:16:24am

aaahhh

/ stretching.

293 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:18:11am

Athena's cult seems to have existed from very early times as the patron of Athens and was so persistent that myths about her were rewritten often to adapt to cultural changes over the multiple eras of Ancient Greek traditions. The Greek philosopher, Plato (429–347 BCE), identified her with the Libyan deity, Neith, who was the war-goddess and huntress deity of the Egyptians since the ancient predynastic period. She also would come to be known as the goddess of wisdom as philosophy became applied to cult in the later fifth century and Classical Greece.[1] She was the patroness of weaving especially, and other crafts (Athena Ergane), and the more disciplined side of war, where she led the battle (Athena Promachos).[2] The metalwork associated with the creation of weapons fell under her patronage. Athena's wisdom also includes the cunning intelligence (metis) of such figures as Odysseus.

From Wiki

294 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:22:11am

Athena wasn't the Goddess of hunting which isn't what I said rather that she was often called the Huntress. Think more bounty hunter than deer hunter. Athena also was only the eternal virgin in a small portion of mythology based around her many other myths include her as a sometime consort of both Ares and of Zeus. These being the only 2 "men" she could consider her equal.

295 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:22:54am

There is however a large amount of Overlap between Artemis and Athena.

296 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:26:10am

But yeah I did cross her Lance and Diana/Artemis' bow.

297 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:27:03am

re: #285 goddessoftheclassroom

A very nice presentation-I saved it to forward...Cheers.

298 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:28:41am

re: #294 Rancher

Athena wasn't the Goddess of hunting which isn't what I said rather that she was often called the Huntress. Think more bounty hunter than deer hunter. Athena also was only the eternal virgin in a small portion of mythology based around her many other myths include her as a sometime consort of both Ares and of Zeus. These being the only 2 "men" she could consider her equal.

Yes, that's always a problem!

/LOL!

299 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:29:52am

Still one week before the start of winter and our projected high for tomorrow: -5 °F

300 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:30:30am

re: #296 Rancher

Bad Toad, Bad Toad...

301 3 wood  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:32:35am

Good morning from an unseasonably warm and windy central Illinois.

302 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:37:11am

re: #301 3 wood

'Morning 3 wood.we been going good-at times...

303 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:39:35am

Also depending on the region and Timeframe of the Athena story in question she is called either the Daughter of Zeus and Metis(a Titan Zeus' sister and at the time of the Titan's her Domains were wisdom and knowledge whose planet was Mercury) or the Daughter of Cronos(Zeus' father) and Metis, which makes her Zeus' sister rather than daughter. In both Athena origin myths Metis was consumed by Zeus after hearing that the Children of Metis would be able to Overthrow him. After eatting Metis who had already concieved Zeus later had a terrible headache and one of 4 of his sons depending on the Location and time of the tale splite his head with a Minoan Axe and Athena came out fully grown armed and armored.

304 Pietr  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:39:38am

And I need to crash,,,l8tr, alll,,,Pietr.

305 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:40:19am

re: #301 3 wood All the Hot air coming from the Governor's office?

306 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:43:44am

re: #304 Pietr Night pietr.

307 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:47:44am

After being driven away from the Sunday morning talking head shows during the election (they were universally unbearable, especially after the Palin nom.), I guess I'll start watching them again this morning. Can't wait to see all of the Obamapologists swing into rescue mode.
What are the odds on the Blago mess being somehow tied to the "ethical decline brought on by the Bush Administration"? I'd say about even.

308 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:49:40am

re: #307 Lincolntf Nah Illinois and Chicago in particular have been seen as a different kind of politics since long before Bush. The attempt may be made but likely won't be tied to Bush. Then again I thought the American Public was smarter than to fall for Obama too.

309 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:50:01am

President Bush made a surprise visit to Iraq.

I kinda/sorta hope to live long enough to see how history will define his presidency.

310 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:50:08am

re: #307 Lincolntf

After being driven away from the Sunday morning talking head shows during the election (they were universally unbearable, especially after the Palin nom.), I guess I'll start watching them again this morning. Can't wait to see all of the Obamapologists swing into rescue mode.
What are the odds on the Blago mess being somehow tied to the "ethical decline brought on by the Bush Administration"? I'd say about even.


I already saw Jonathan Alter this morning on MSNBC saying that there was absolutely nothing wrong with Rahm Emmanuel talking to Blago about the senate seat.

Of course there was nothing wrong.

But why did they all lie ?
It's not the crime, it's the cover up Jonathan. Remember Nixon?

311 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:53:51am

re: #308 Rancher

Nah Illinois and Chicago in particular have been seen as a different kind of politics since long before Bush. The attempt may be made but likely won't be tied to Bush. Then again I thought the American Public was smarter than to fall for Obama too.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that something like this could happen.

/Still takes my breath away.

312 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:55:28am

re: #310 Shug ...they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way.

Sean Connery as Jim Malone in The Untouchables
With this as the standard Rahm did nothing wrong. I love that Rahmbo is crying about death threats after his whole "Political Enemy X of Clinton dead" fiasco followed by stabbing his steak knife into the table.

Illinois Secretary of State Paul Powell, who served 30 years as a state legislator and never earned more than $30,000 a year left behind an estate worth more than $2 million, including $800,000 found in shoe boxes, briefcases and strong boxes in his hotel closet.

Stuff like this is just business as usually in that cesspit.

313 Bumr50  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:56:37am

re: #310 Shug

When you're a Democrat, it's different!


///

314 bp sf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:57:31am

Good Morning.

Happy to read this today (re: Che movie)

When Soderbegh arrived onstage at around 11:30, he was greeted with enthusiastic applause, but by the third question, he received some vocal resistance. "One thing I learned about Che during the making of this film is that he was a bad-a**," he mused. "Bull***!" someone screamed. "He was a murderer!"

[Link: www.nj.com...]

315 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 5:59:42am

re: #311 gettinby

That is the most disappointing,scary thing about the election result. That some people are OK with using the power of their vote to take the property of another.
All the economic and energy issues are not problems we don't have an answer for. What we need more than anything is entitlement reform,and you can't get elected saying it.So on and on it goes.

316 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:00:35am

Meet the Press has AG Madigan and Lt Gov Quinn scheduled. That might generate some new information.

317 Bumr50  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:00:54am

All of the townsfolk here in Pittsburgh keep telling me that we just need to give Obama a chance with a worried look on their face. My girlfriends hairdresser told me yesterday that the Blago-Obama connection was "just the Republicans trying to make something out of nothing."
Sadly it's the prevailing attitude round here in Unionland. The looks on their faces, though, are decidedly more worried lately.

318 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:04:05am

At some point I expect Obama to come out with his standard fall-back positions
1. It's Bush's' fault
2. It's racial persecution.

319 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:06:22am

re: #309 gettinby

You see who met him at the airport? Ambassador Ryan Crocker. He is the guy who warned Bush exactly what would happen if we toppled Saddam Hussein. After it turned out Crocker was right, Bush was like, OK Mr Know-it-all, you get to be my Ambassador. Go there and fix it.

In late 2002, as the Bush administration prepared for war, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell tasked Crocker and Assistant Secretary of State William Burns with exploring the risks of military intervention. The result was a six-page memo they entitled "The Perfect Storm,"..

The memo bluntly predicted that toppling Hussein could unleash long-repressed sectarian and ethnic tensions, that the Sunni minority would not easily relinquish power, and that powerful neighbors such as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia would try to move in to influence events. It also cautioned that the United States would have to start from scratch building a political and economic system because Iraq's infrastructure was in tatters.

320 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:06:51am

Madigan knows she's on thin ice with her extraordinary effort to oust Blago before he's even charged. She might get her way in the end, but her defense of the effort (especially since she's a possible Senate candidate herself), is kinda weak.

321 gclaghorn  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:06:53am

re: #309 gettinby

President Bush made a surprise visit to Iraq.

I kinda/sorta hope to live long enough to see how history will define his presidency.

He will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American History, keeping America safe from another attack for seven years.

322 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:09:21am

re: #321 gclaghorn

He will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American History, keeping America safe from another attack for seven years.

I agree! And I live outside of the US.

323 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:11:40am

re: #321 gclaghorn

He will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American History, keeping America safe from another attack for seven years.

I understand your sentiment, but "one of the greatest" is reserved for the Washingtons and Lincolns IMHO. However, I do beleive he'll (Bush) will be looked at vastly more favorably than he is now. I think it will be in just the level below 'one of the greatest"

324 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:11:48am

re: #321 gclaghorn

He will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American History, keeping America safe from another attack for seven years.

FDR is remembered for winning WWII much more than exasperating the Depression. But then again he was a Democrat.

325 notutopia  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:13:15am

Good Morning All! BRRRrrr...
I think we are cold,,,but many in the NE are without power this beautiful morning. I'm sure we'll have less traffic from them today, unless they are running off generator. I hope the sun and electric utility repair crews turns on the heat for them soon.
1.4 Million without power last night!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

326 3 wood  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:16:21am

John Kass's latest on the Blago fiasco:

Will 'feditis' spread to Obama and Daley?

First, Kass explains why the Machine is turning on Blago rather than it's usual response of deny, deflect and circle the wagons

Why are Chicago machine Democrats lining up against Gov. Rod "Dead Meat" Blagojevich like a bunch of thin-lipped Victorian physicians in some old movie set in an musty insane asylum?

Since Tuesday, they've been swinging their silver hammers at his cranium with righteous gusto. They're eager to give him a political lobotomy.

Why? That's easy.

Gov. Dead Meat is infected, not with some mental disorder, but with something far worse. He's got a raging case of feditis. They don't know if it's the isolated feditis or the creeping kind, threatening not only the locals but the reform image of their guy about to assume the White House.

In other words, he got caught and he could screw the pooch for Obama.

Second, Kass explains why the attempt by the Machine to label Blago nuts is not going to fly:


But that same day, I diagnosed Blagojevich as quite sane, because all he did was act like just another corrupt Chicago politician. He squeezed people. That's how things are done in the city that is not Camelot.

Third, Kass explains why AG Madigan's attempt to get Blago ruled "unfit" will likely not work:

Still, Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan asked the state Supreme Court on Friday to declare Blagojevich "disabled." She called on the justices—some of whom are there by grace of the Chicago machine—to remove Blagojevich, pronto.

"State government is paralyzed by a governor who is incapable of governing," Madigan insisted. "We would look to the fact that the term 'disability' legally is very broad, that it is not simply isolated to a physical or mental disability."

Incapable of what? Signing his name to bills? He can sign his name, to bills, or to a federal witness list, which would be much nicer. But they don't want that, or another week or two of Gov. Dead Meat leading the nightly news.

After stubbornly refusing to see Chicago politics as it really is, the national media are finally paying attention. That's great news for most everybody, except for our politicians.

Madigan's stunt was treated as legitimate jaw-dropping news by the national networks. She declared herself "the people's lawyer," over and over. It has a nice ring to it, "people's lawyer," and I thought of one of those TV shows I would watch only on pain of death, like "Law and Order," where the earnest attorneys make the big speech for the public good, before they cut to the Depends commercial.

What they didn't report on the evening news is this: Lisa Madigan is more than just "the people's lawyer." She's a candidate for governor and Dead Meat is in her way. Her daddy is Mike Madigan, powerful boss of the machine's 13th Ward and speaker of the Illinois House who hates Dead Meat.

So it boils down to they don't want the MSM paying attention to what is going on in Chicago (and by extension Obama) and many of the Chicago Machine politicians are lining themselves up to take advantage of Blago's collapse.

And what a shock that the general MSM is not reporting that Lisa Madigan is the leading candidate for Governor herself. She also was Candidate 2 or 3 for Senator.

327 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:16:38am

re: #322 Crux Australis

Mark Steyn pointed out this headline from The Australian: Costello needed on frontbench: Abbott.

328 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:16:56am

re: #321 gclaghorn

He will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American History...

Thats a stretch but I do think he will be considered one of the most influential.

329 notutopia  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:18:28am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Blagojevich Weighs Legal Options
Illinois governor holds a four-hour meeting with renowned Chicago criminal lawyer Ed Genson.

Heh...
SKUNK...

330 BBev  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:19:01am

re: #325 notutopia

Good Morning All! BRRRrrr...
I think we are cold,,,but many in the NE are without power this beautiful morning. I'm sure we'll have less traffic from them today, unless they are running off generator. I hope the sun and electric utility repair crews turns on the heat for them soon.
1.4 Million without power last night!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

So many around me have no power, But I do ;-)

331 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:19:53am

re: #329 notutopia

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Blagojevich Weighs Legal Options
Illinois governor holds a four-hour meeting with renowned Chicago criminal lawyer Ed Genson.

Heh...
SKUNK...


is "LEGAL OPTIONS" a euphemism for which Federal Prison he'll serve his time in !?!?!?

332 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:20:28am

re: #327 gregg

Mark Steyn pointed out this headline from The Australian: Costello needed on frontbench: Abbott.

Did someone say Abbott and Costello?

333 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:21:21am

re: #331 sattv4u2

is "LEGAL OPTIONS" a euphemism for which Federal Prison he'll serve his time in !?!?!?

I hope it means ratting out all of the people he's worked with over the years.

334 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:21:46am

re: #323 sattv4u2

I understand your sentiment, but "one of the greatest" is reserved for the Washingtons and Lincolns IMHO. However, I do beleive he'll (Bush) will be looked at vastly more favorably than he is now. I think it will be in just the level below 'one of the greatest"

Probably more like "...a damned good one, he was!"

335 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:22:08am

re: #330 BBev

So many around me have no power, But I do ;-)

generator? I just had one installed at my house! We've had several "ice storms" here (Atlanta) in th past few years. What they call an "ice storm" here, we used to call a great day back in Boston. Here, everything shuts down for a week. The last one we had I didn't have power for 5 days. The day of the "storm", the "ICE" was melted within 5 hours!

336 BBev  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:23:02am

re: #325 notutopia

Good Morning All! BRRRrrr...
I think we are cold,,,but many in the NE are without power this beautiful morning. I'm sure we'll have less traffic from them today, unless they are running off generator. I hope the sun and electric utility repair crews turns on the heat for them soon.
1.4 Million without power last night!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Here are some local pic's WMUR

337 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:23:49am

re: #315 n in wi

That is the most disappointing,scary thing about the election result. That some people are OK with using the power of their vote to take the property of another.
All the economic and energy issues are not problems we don't have an answer for. What we need more than anything is entitlement reform,and you can't get elected saying it.So on and on it goes.

Please explain to me.

TIA

338 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:25:18am

re: #337 gettinby

Please explain to me.

TIA

My guess is all the government give-away programs ,, there is massive fraud in welfare, food stamps, gov't covered health care etc

339 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:25:36am

re: #319 Mich-again

Wow! I either do/did not know this, or have forgotten.

Another of 700 billion reasons to read LGF.

/My own personal bailout, if you will.

340 BBev  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:25:59am

re: #335 sattv4u2

I have a rather large generator siting in the back of my truck just in case

341 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:26:35am

re: #327 gregg

Mark Steyn pointed out this headline from The Australian: Costello needed on frontbench: Abbott.

Speaking of Mark Steyn,
If Al Franken can't steal a Senate seat in MN., Do you think that in the spirit of bi-partisanship, Al and Mark could run in 2012.
Yes ,that would be the Franken-Steyn ticket.

342 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:28:27am

re: #341 n in wi

..that would be the Franken-Steyn ticket.

No you didn't.

343 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:29:17am

re: #341 n in wi

Speaking of Mark Steyn,
If Al Franken can't steal a Senate seat in MN., Do you think that in the spirit of bi-partisanship, Al and Mark could run in 2012.
Yes ,that would be the Franken-Steyn ticket.

I like it! Although I'm not sure Steyn can run since I don't think he was born in the U.S.

344 SueG  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:29:27am

Don't forget to buy loads of Dutch products.

Jihad websites: Criminal Jami, Netherlands boycott!

Sunday, December 14, 2008 13:45

At various jihadist websites is geageerd against Ehsan Jami and his critical Islam movie Interview with Muhammad. Jami should be condemned by the Dutch government and until that time, all Dutch products boycotted.

"Help the prophet with a boycott," is on the extremist Web site Hedayah read, followed by a list of products that Muslims should boycott.
It also shows the site of the Dutch flag and a picture of Jami.

Barbaric
On the website Muslm.net is the-PvdA'er old dog to be insulted and the jihadist website Alaqsa - named after a mosque in Jerusalem - Condemns Jami's film. "Islam is not a terrorist religion and has no barbaric ideas," it read. "Islam is a peaceful religion."

Despite that message is Osama bin Laden and quoted on the website is at least one martyrdom to be seen.

More:
[Link: translate.google.com...]

In case you want to know which products you should buy, these are the ones:
[Link: www.hedayah.net...]
(its btw the website the article refers to)

345 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:29:34am

re: #337 gettinby

67% of our Federal budget goes to entitlement programs.

346 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:31:36am

re: #341 n in wi

LOL (Franken-Steyn)

re: #338 sattv4u2

Thank you!

If we were to get rid of all of those programs, then our "leaders" would have nothing to do for their pay.

/waitaminute...! *slaps hand to forehead*

LOL

347 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:33:11am

Good morning Lizards...

348 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:34:12am

re: #345 n in wi

Thanks.

That's quite a bit of budget.

Wonder what percentage goes to the military?

(I'll go try searching.)

349 BBev  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:40:31am

Is this thing on?

350 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:40:47am

re: #348 gettinby

Thanks.

That's quite a bit of budget.

Wonder what percentage goes to the military?

(I'll go try searching.)

20%

351 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:41:59am

re: #350 n in wi

20%

Where are you getting these?

Not being rude...have a few people I would like to send the information to.

352 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:42:24am

re: #349 BBev

Is this thing on?

yes ,,, but you're not !

353 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:42:42am

re: #349 BBev

Is this thing on?

Nope... You're still sleeping and nobody is home... Morning BBev... ;)

354 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:42:59am

Only 13% of spending is mandated by the Constitution
That means 87% is optional,determined by the people we elect.
Big pot -o-gold to buy votes with.

355 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:43:03am

re: #348 gettinby

re: #350 n in wi

Military is about 6-8% IIRC

356 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:43:44am

re: #344 SueG

I prefer to support non-prophet organizations.

357 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:45:10am

re: #327 gregg

Mark Steyn pointed out this headline from The Australian: Costello needed on frontbench: Abbott.

I am eternally thankful for Howard and Costello. They prevented an Australian sub prime mortgage crisis from happening and an internal stock market crash.

358 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:45:11am

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

I prefer to support non-prophet organizations.

Heh heh heh non-Prophet he says with tongue firmly planted in cheek... ;p

359 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:45:20am

re: #351 gettinby

Where are you getting these?

Not being rude...have a few people I would like to send the information to.

These are figures I've heard or read from various source. If you find somewhere that confirms ,or disputes them,let me know.

360 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:45:39am

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

Forget who brought it up, but I think we definitely need that groan button.

361 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:45:50am

re: #349 BBev

Is this thing on?

Sort of.

I'm here with my usual questioning so that my ignorance won't be too noticeable in the "real" world. :)

362 BBev  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:47:55am

re: #352 sattv4u2

yes ,,, but you're not !

Yes I am. I was reading I don't think this is good Fed rate cut again

363 Crux Australis  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:48:49am

re: #332 Mich-again

Did someone say Abbott and Costello?

Tony Abbott is a true conservative, Peter Costello I'm not so sure?

364 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:49:06am

Good morning, lizards.
A cold, wet morning here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

Making a grocery list and checking it twice today, for my USMC sons' visit home. This time around, he's bringing his lady friend home to meet us.

He's spending the days around Christmas with his GF's family in LA, and they're catching a plane up to Michigan on New Years Eve' day to spend a couple of weeks in Michigan and have an extended holiday.

His dear lady is such a lovely young girl, and she's going to treat us all to some authentic Mexican cooking from scratch. I return, I'm going to teach her how to make a batch of good Irish Stew with brown bread.

365 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:49:30am

I think it is within reach that the US might actually achieve the reduction in carbon emissions that Kyoto agreement hoped for. Thats GWB for ya. He gets the job done even if his tactics are a bit unconventional.
/

366 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:49:49am

entitlement programs.
/spit

since when did we become entitled to anything other than life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness ( and they are free ) ?

367 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:50:36am

re: #360 BlueCanuck

Forget who brought it up, but I think we definitely need that groan button.

A lot of people don't think I'm very punny.
But you're the first to suggest that someone puked.

368 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:50:44am

re: #366 Shug

entitlement programs.
/spit

since when did we become entitled to anything other than life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness ( and they are free ) ?

I pursued a stripper back in Boston years ago. She was ANYTHING but FREE!

369 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:50:51am

re: #362 BBev

No, that is most definitely not good. Unless you are buying a house or something. Any bank investments (Guranteed Investment Certificates up here) would be practically worthless.

370 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:50:55am

re: #364 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards.
A cold, wet morning here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

Making a grocery list and checking it twice today, for my USMC sons' visit home. This time around, he's bringing his lady friend home to meet us.

He's spending the days around Christmas with his GF's family in LA, and they're catching a plane up to Michigan on New Years Eve' day to spend a couple of weeks in Michigan and have an extended holiday.

His dear lady is such a lovely young girl, and she's going to treat us all to some authentic Mexican cooking from scratch. I return, I'm going to teach her how to make a batch of good Irish Stew with brown bread.

Better teach her to make corned beef and cabbage...

371 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:52:21am

re: #347 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards...

MWAH!

372 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:53:02am

re: #366 Shug

Didn't "the pursuit of happiness" mean something different back in the days of revolution? I think I remember hearing somewhere that it meant ownership of land and property.

/could be mistaken though.

373 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:53:06am

re: #371 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

Good morning cuttie pie, what are you doing up so early?

374 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:53:07am

Morning all. 7:50 am here in Golden Colorado.

Snowing, about 3 inches outside.

And... drum roll... 0 degrees (f)

375 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:53:10am

re: #370 doriangrey

Better teach her to make corned beef and cabbage...

We're sticking to the traditional ethnic dishes.
Corned beef and cabbage is an Irish-American dish.

376 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:53:21am

re: #368 sattv4u2

I pursued a stripper back in Boston years ago. She was ANYTHING but FREE!

Yeah, she wasn't free, but you may have needed the FREE clinic I bet.

377 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:53:56am

re: #370 doriangrey

Or bubble and squeek. That would be something she should like.

378 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:54:03am

re: #375 Irish Rose

We're sticking to the traditional ethnic dishes.
Corned beef and cabbage is an Irish-American dish.

Ahhh so Mulligan Stew it is eh?...

379 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:54:09am

re: #372 BlueCanuck

Didn't "the pursuit of happiness" mean something different back in the days of revolution? I think I remember hearing somewhere that it meant ownership of land and property.

/could be mistaken though.


Perhaps. I'm pretty sure though it didn't mean midnight basketball and food stamps for obese welfare bums

380 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:54:45am

re: #378 doriangrey

Ahhh so Mulligan Stew it is eh?...

A good lamb stew with Guinness ;).

381 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:55:01am

re: #376 n in wi

Yeah, she wasn't free, but you may have needed the FREE clinic I bet.

hehehehehe,,, naaahhh ,,, she actually was a very nice lady. Mid 20's, pursuing her Masters Degree at Boston College. Stripped for tuition/ room/ board/ books. etc.

382 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:55:03am

re: #359 n in wi

These are figures I've heard or read from various source. If you find somewhere that confirms ,or disputes them,let me know.

From wiki, with a notice asking for "an expert."

Scroll down a bit to the piechart and a breakdown of percentages (readable dollars with % of increase over 2006 on left side of pie). Military budget info is a little further on in the article.

Do the schools teach kids how to balance their checkbook anymore?

383 yochanan  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:55:25am

re: #375 Irish Rose

We're sticking to the traditional ethnic dishes.
Corned beef and cabbage is an Irish-American dish.

what about corned beef on a dark rye?

384 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:55:29am

re: #380 Irish Rose

A good lamb stew with Guinness ;).

Shame on you Rose... Now I have to wipe drool off my keyboard... ;p

385 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:56:29am

re: #382 gettinby

I don't think they even taught me that over twenty years ago. Although I do remember one teacher showing us how to "write" a cheque.

386 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:56:33am

re: #383 yochanan

what about corned beef on a dark rye?

RACIST

387 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:56:37am

Good Morning Lizards.

388 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:56:39am

re: #379 Shug

Perhaps. I'm pretty sure though it didn't mean midnight basketball and food stamps for obese welfare bums

"pursuit of happiness" has become the "Guarantee of happiness."

389 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:57:48am

re: #388 n in wi

Give the people a chance to vote for more bread and more circuses, and they always will.

390 BBev  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:57:51am

Well time to go buy food for the month

391 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:58:09am

OT: Stuck in Pensacola Airport due to a "fuel issue". Why is it that the airlines are NEVER on time anymore?

392 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:58:27am

Good Morning everyone! Beautiful blue cold skies here this morning!

393 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:58:31am

re: #358 doriangrey

Heh heh heh non-Prophet he says with tongue firmly planted in cheek... ;p

I am going to resist, with great difficulty, making a particularly off-coloured "tongue" crack. ;d

394 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:59:00am

re: #392 CapeCoddah

Good Morning everyone! Beautiful blue cold skies here this morning!

Did that ice storm hit the Cape? Headed back to Bourne today.

395 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:59:18am

re: #391 Jetpilot1101

OT: Stuck in Pensacola Airport due to a "fuel issue". Why is it that the airlines are NEVER on time anymore?

Don't forget "the paperwork"

That always seems to add 15 minutes to any delay I've encountered.

"Well folks, we're just finishin' up " the paperwork" "

396 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:59:25am

re: #393 Spare O'Lake

I am going to resist, with great difficulty, making a particularly off-coloured "tongue" crack. ;d

Be careful which cheeks are used?

397 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:59:32am

re: #390 BBev

Well time to go buy food for the month

You shop only once a month?

398 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 6:59:42am

re: #393 Spare O'Lake

I am going to resist, with great difficulty, making a particularly off-coloured "tongue" crack. ;d

Oh dear... somebody said tongue and crack in the same sentence... ;p

399 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:00:14am

re: #395 Shug

Don't forget "the paperwork"

That always seems to add 15 minutes to any delay I've encountered.

"Well folks, we're just finishin' up " the paperwork" "

Customer service has taken a back seat to everything. Problem is, we all still have to fly and they have us by the short hairs.

400 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:00:16am

re: #390 BBev

Well time to go buy food for the month


you missed the first half of the month

401 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:00:20am

re: #388 n in wi

"pursuit of happiness" has become the "Guarantee of happiness."

Equality in opportunity has been replaced by Equality in outcome as the thing to strive for in Legislation.

402 BBev  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:00:23am

re: #397 MandyManners

You shop only once a month?

Yes but I spend lots and use coupons and save big $$$

BBL

403 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:01:15am

Add a bit of kraut and dressing, and call it a reuben ;).

I love corned beef actually, just don't make it for holidays.

404 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:01:16am

re: #397 MandyManners

You shop only once a month?

ROTFLMAO... I wouldn't even shop that often if I could get away with it... Man I hate shopping... ;p

405 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:03:17am

re: #403 Irish Rose

I like the New York Reuben with Corned beef, Russian dressing and cole slaw on rye.

406 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:03:45am

re: #390 BBev
What month are you feeding?

407 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:04:44am

re: #394 Jetpilot1101

Did that ice storm hit the Cape? Headed back to Bourne today.

No Jet, we were spared. We got rain and wind, lots of tree damage, no snow or ice. Stick to the southern route if you can and you should be ok.

408 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:05:10am

re: #403 Irish Rose

Add a bit of kraut and dressing, and call it a reuben ;).

I love corned beef actually, just don't make it for holidays.

Good Morning Lizards! All this food talk is getting me hungary!

409 yochanan  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:05:19am

re: #391 Jetpilot1101

OT: Stuck in Pensacola Airport due to a "fuel issue". Why is it that the airlines are NEVER on time anymore?

almost did not make it home last sunday nite from nu yawk to chi town. got the VIP treatment from the T.S.A. pulled out of line and searched and the idiot forgot to mark on my ticket i passed said search after they had marked on my ticket that i should get the VIP treatment. and then when i got to the gate they anounced that the flight had to leave on time or the flight would be canceled . so at this point when i am getting on the plane the stop me and tell me i got to go back to the TSA and get approved again from gate 12 to gate 1 is a far distance to run get re searched and get the ticket stamped (which they forgot the first time) and run back to the plane in less than 5 mins. I got on the plane with 30 seconds to spare. took me a half hour for my blood pressue to come down to normal.

410 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:06:16am

Best Rueben I've ever had was actually at some bar at the Cincinatti airport.
Bartender told me that the chief got the corned beef from the best place in the city.

It was really really good.

411 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:06:18am

re: #402 BBev

Yes but I spend lots and use coupons and save big $$$

BBL

What about fruit? Lettuce? Celery?

412 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:06:51am

re: #407 CapeCoddah

No Jet, we were spared. We got rain and wind, lots of tree damage, no snow or ice. Stick to the southern route if you can and you should be ok.

Looks like we are delayed in P-Cola and I'll miss my flight in Atlanta. I hate flying commercial but the company doesn't let me take the jet on personal business.

413 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:06:57am

re: #411 MandyManners

What about fruit? Lettuce? Celery?

Rabbit food...

414 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:07:26am

re: #409 yochanan

almost did not make it home last sunday nite from nu yawk to chi town. got the VIP treatment from the T.S.A. pulled out of line and searched and the idiot forgot to mark on my ticket i passed said search after they had marked on my ticket that i should get the VIP treatment. and then when i got to the gate they anounced that the flight had to leave on time or the flight would be canceled . so at this point when i am getting on the plane the stop me and tell me i got to go back to the TSA and get approved again from gate 12 to gate 1 is a far distance to run get re searched and get the ticket stamped (which they forgot the first time) and run back to the plane in less than 5 mins. I got on the plane with 30 seconds to spare. took me a half hour for my blood pressue to come down to normal.

God, I hate flying these days.
Just a miserable excercise in tension, frustration and discomfort.

415 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:07:31am

re: #411 MandyManners

What about fruit? Lettuce? Celery?

Milk is the big one around here...

416 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:07:45am

re: #404 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... I wouldn't even shop that often if I could get away with it... Man I hate shopping... ;p

I like shopping for food. It takes a lot of planning--first, the menus and then the stores.

417 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:08:16am

re: #412 Jetpilot1101

Looks like we are delayed in P-Cola and I'll miss my flight in Atlanta. I hate flying commercial but the company doesn't let me take the jet on personal business.

Southwest is always on time into Prov from florida in our experience. Maybe you can re book with them.

418 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:08:17am

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! All this food talk is getting me hungary!

HUNGARY? you must be thinking abt. goulash.
;p

419 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:08:33am

re: #415 HoosierHoops

Milk is the big one around here...

Here too. About a gallon a day.

420 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:08:37am

re: #415 HoosierHoops

Milk is the big one around here...

Frickin fracken Milk cost more than gasoline here... ;p

421 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:08:37am

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! All this food talk is getting me hungary!

Me too. I'm gonna czech out the fridge.

422 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:08:42am

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! All this food talk is getting me hungary!

You dont look European.

423 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:09:00am

re: #409 yochanan

That kind of activity seems to be par for the course these days. TSA should stand for "Thousands Standing Around". I can't believe the ineptitude of some of these screeners. My 6.4 oz toothpaste went through no problem on the way down; gets pitched in the trash on the way home.

424 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:09:05am

re: #413 doriangrey

Rabbit food...

Veggies.

425 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:09:24am

re: #415 HoosierHoops

Milk is the big one around here...

You can get that at a convenience store.

426 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:09:29am

re: #412 Jetpilot1101

Looks like we are delayed in P-Cola and I'll miss my flight in Atlanta. I hate flying commercial but the company doesn't let me take the jet on personal business.

Look on the positive side.. You're not in Detroit.
Have a safe trip...Are you in the airport bar?

427 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:09:54am

re: #416 MandyManners

I like shopping for food. It takes a lot of planning--first, the menus and then the stores.

When I shop for food, it's straight to the butchers counter... ;) One stop shopping... ;p

428 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:10:05am

Here's an interesting question for the open thread:

Has anyone here tried the South Beach Diet, and has it worked for you?

The doc says it's a great diet to follow if you want to tackle insulin resistance, which I have. I'm planning to start it just as soon as I get the all clear on my kidney infection.

429 Timbre  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:10:16am

This Wayne Bent "person", aka Michael Travesser, is on trial in New Mexico for criminal sexual contact of a minor. If this related material is true, and he is not convicted, then the jury members have sanctioned abuse of children by "religious" con artists.

This video from the cult website may contain photos of one or more of the victims, and potential new victims, if he is found "not guilty" and released back to his compound.

430 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:10:37am

re: #427 doriangrey

When I shop for food, it's straight to the butchers counter... ;) One stop shopping... ;p

All meat meals?

431 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:11:08am

re: #417 CapeCoddah

Southwest is always on time into Prov from florida in our experience. Maybe you can re book with them.

I usually fly them in and out of Providence but they don't fly into P-Cola so I'm screwed with Delta. If Delta and NWA merge, we'll have two huge dysfunctional airlines (Delta/NWA and American) running most of the air traffic in the US. It sucks now but boy is it ever going to suck in the future.

432 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:12:08am

re: #429 Timbre

This Wayne Bent "person", aka Michael Travesser, is on trial in New Mexico for criminal sexual contact of a minor. If this related material is true, and he is not convicted, then the jury members have sanctioned abuse of children by "religious" con artists.

This video from the cult website may contain photos of one or more of the victims, and potential new victims, if he is found "not guilty" and released back to his compound.

Assshole tried to have himself a really sweet deal.

433 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:12:11am

re: #426 HoosierHoops

Look on the positive side.. You're not in Detroit.
Have a safe trip...Are you in the airport bar?

Thanks. Unfortunately no, they don't have one in the gate area, only in the main lounge. If I have a layover in Atlanta, expect a few beers to be drunk.

434 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:12:14am

Debbie Stabenow has an IQ in the mid 70's.

if that

435 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:12:22am

re: #430 MandyManners

All meat meals?

When ever I can afford it... ;) Steak with a side of rib's and chicken hors d'oeuvres... ;)

436 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:13:28am

re: #431 Jetpilot1101

I usually fly them in and out of Providence but they don't fly into P-Cola so I'm screwed with Delta. If Delta and NWA merge, we'll have two huge dysfunctional airlines (Delta/NWA and American) running most of the air traffic in the US. It sucks now but boy is it ever going to suck in the future.

Delta sucks. It would be a shock if a flight were ever actually on time. Same with NW. You would have been better off hitchhiking.

437 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:13:31am

re: #431 Jetpilot1101

I usually fly them in and out of Providence but they don't fly into P-Cola so I'm screwed with Delta. If Delta and NWA merge, we'll have two huge dysfunctional airlines (Delta/NWA and American) running most of the air traffic in the US. It sucks now but boy is it ever going to suck in the future.

They've been talking that merge for a year now..makes me wonder

438 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:13:34am

re: #433 Jetpilot1101

Thanks. Unfortunately no, they don't have one in the gate area, only in the main lounge. If I have a layover in Atlanta, expect a few beers to be drunk.

Hmmm, I've never seen a drunk beer, I have drank more than a few beers, but never seen one get drunk... ;p

439 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:13:43am

re: #434 Shug

Debbie Stabenow has an IQ in the mid 70's.

if that

I believe it is somewhere below that of sea kelp and or the chair I'm currently sitting in.

440 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:14:06am

Jet, you coming into prov or bos?

441 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:14:28am

re: #436 CapeCoddah

Delta sucks. It would be a shock if a flight were ever actually on time. Same with NW. You would have been better off hitchhiking.

I think you are right. At least they give me free internet here.

442 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:14:59am

re: #438 doriangrey

Hmmm, I've never seen a drunk beer, I have drank more than a few beers, but never seen one get drunk... ;p

It's quite impressive although if it happens, I'll be spending the night in Atlanta.

443 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:14:59am

re: #435 doriangrey

When ever I can afford it... ;) Steak with a side of rib's and chicken hors d'oeuvres... ;)

I hope you're joking 'cause that's very unhealthy.

444 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:15:20am

re: #437 HoosierHoops

They've been talking that merge for a year now..makes me wonder

It's going thru. One of the guys in my unit flys for Delta. The pilots for Delta and NWA are just working out the details.

445 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:15:32am

re: #434 Shug

Debbie Stabenow has an IQ in the mid 70's.

if that

Who she?

446 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:15:34am

re: #422 MandyManners

You dont look European.

If European you should use the toilet.

447 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:15:48am

re: #433 Jetpilot1101

Thanks. Unfortunately no, they don't have one in the gate area, only in the main lounge. If I have a layover in Atlanta, expect a few beers to be drunk.

II have spent more time in the ESPNZone than i care to think about.
In Altanta you'll be able to watch some football.

448 gclaghorn  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:16:12am

re: #445 MandyManners

Who she?

A moronic Michigan senator.

449 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:16:17am

re: #444 Nevergiveup

It's going thru. One of the guys in my unit flys for Delta. The pilots for Delta and NWA are just working out the details.

Delta and NorthWest, the blind leading the blind.

450 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:16:33am

re: #446 Spare O'Lake

If European you should use the toilet.

*groan*

451 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:17:22am

re: #385 BlueCanuck

Hi BlueCanuck!

Then I'm a LOT older than you probably.

We were required to take a civics course in our senior year of high school. Included in the curriculum was budgeting, understanding a checking & savings account and balancing the statements.

/AND...we did all of that WITHOUT a calculator or computer! LOL

452 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:17:33am

Actually a lower-carb diet of meat protien, vegetables, lowfat dairy and unrefined whole grains is what the doc is recommending for me. Fruits in limited quantities.

453 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:17:50am

re: #444 Nevergiveup

It's going thru. One of the guys in my unit flys for Delta. The pilots for Delta and NWA are just working out the details.

Too bad.. I have a friend that say's she will lose her job in a merger.

454 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:18:08am

re: #443 MandyManners

I hope you're joking 'cause that's very unhealthy.

ROTFLMAO... Just on weekends when I'm grillin with the family. Other than that I'm fortunate that my mom lives with me and she still does the shopping... I just hand her a wheelbarrow full of cash and she does the shopping... ;)

455 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:18:22am

Northwest airlines is the absolute worst.

I was platinum elite for several years and never flew in coach. Never.
sometimes I flew on other airlines and sat in the back.

I'll take continental coach over Northwest first class any day.
Continental first class is fantastic. They really take care of you

456 gclaghorn  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:18:46am

re: #451 gettinby

/AND...we did all of that WITHOUT a calculator or computer! LOL

How did you survive? ;)

457 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:18:55am

re: #445 MandyManners

Who she?


She is the Idiot Jr Senator from Michigan.
An absolute idiot

458 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:19:28am

re: #457 Shug

She is the Idiot Jr Senator from Michigan.
An absolute idiot


I concur.

459 gclaghorn  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:20:12am

re: #457 Shug

She is the Idiot Jr Senator from Michigan.
An absolute idiot

Well said. And her husband is dumb, as well.

460 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:20:27am

re: #447 HoosierHoops

II have spent more time in the ESPNZone than i care to think about.
In Altanta you'll be able to watch some football.

I plan on spending time there if I am stuck. Judging by the amount of Delta folks standing around with their thumbs up their derrieres, I figure I'll be there for awhile.

461 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:20:32am

re: #455 Shug

Northwest airlines is the absolute worst.

I was platinum elite for several years and never flew in coach. Never.
sometimes I flew on other airlines and sat in the back.

I'll take continental coach over Northwest first class any day.
Continental first class is fantastic. They really take care of you

I really like Frontier..
And I take North West to Europe and it is a nice flight...

462 BlueCanuck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:20:49am

re: #456 gclaghorn

Slide rules and tables. All angles were nice and neat for math classes.

/did a few math trig exams without calculators as well.

463 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:20:56am

re: #459 gclaghorn

Well said. And her husband is dumb, as well.


and he picks up hookers.

ha ha

464 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:21:31am

re: #428 Irish Rose

Here's an interesting question for the open thread:

Has anyone here tried the South Beach Diet, and has it worked for you?

The doc says it's a great diet to follow if you want to tackle insulin resistance, which I have. I'm planning to start it just as soon as I get the all clear on my kidney infection.

Good morning!

My stepdaughter (35 yo) swears by it, and she looks great!

465 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:21:53am

re: #457 Shug

She is the Idiot Jr Senator from Michigan.
An absolute idiot

Together with their moronic governor (Granholm), they have destroyed the state of Michigan.

They are about as sharp as a bag of wet mice.

466 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:22:00am

re: #444 Nevergiveup

It's going thru. One of the guys in my unit flys for Delta. The pilots for Delta and NWA are just working out the details.

The merger has occurred. They're already repainting the NWA 747s.

467 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:22:11am

re: #459 gclaghorn

Well said. And her husband is dumb, as well.

Is her hubby the one that got busted for solicitation of a prostitute?

468 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:22:36am

re: #461 HoosierHoops


Northwest A330's are nice and new.
International is fine, though I'd still rather ride on a nice continental 767

but northwest domestic service sucks.
never took frontier.

we had a really nice flight last year on Air Tran.
so we're taking them next month nonstop Detroit to Orlando.

I refuse to use Northwest since I am no longer elite status

469 gclaghorn  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:22:37am

re: #467 n in wi

Is her hubby the one that got busted for solicitation of a prostitute?

That's the one.

470 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:22:38am

re: #454 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... Just on weekends when I'm grillin with the family. Other than that I'm fortunate that my mom lives with me and she still does the shopping... I just hand her a wheelbarrow full of cash and she does the shopping... ;)

No corn on the cob? No asparagus? No salad? Baked potato?

471 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:22:42am

re: #460 Jetpilot1101

I plan on spending time there if I am stuck. Judging by the amount of Delta folks standing around with their thumbs up their derrieres, I figure I'll be there for awhile.

I took a course at Disneyland once. Didn't know anyone and didn't care to meet anyone. I can be a freindly guy sometimes. Anyway spent every night at the ESPN Zone eating steak and getting drunk. Was the best part of the course if you ask me?

472 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:22:47am

re: #411 MandyManners

What about fruit? Lettuce? Celery?

Morning. Zero degrees here. Anyone want to help me keep warm?

473 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:23:16am

re: #457 Shug

She is the Idiot Jr Senator from Michigan.
An absolute idiot

I would ask how she got into office but, with this last election I've come to believe that anything is possible.

474 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:23:16am

re: #465 Jetpilot1101

Together with their moronic governor (Granholm), they have destroyed the state of Michigan.

They are about as sharp as a bag of wet mice.

Cough cough... Would you prefer Blago and company?

475 gclaghorn  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:23:44am

re: #474 doriangrey

Cough cough... Would you prefer Blago and company?

That's Illinois.

476 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:23:57am

re: #473 MandyManners

I would ask how she got into office but, with this last election I've come to believe that anything is possible.


Caligula put a horse in the senate.
Michigan put two horses asses in the senate

477 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:23:58am

re: #467 n in wi

Is her hubby the one that got busted for solicitation of a prostitute?

Have you seen Stabenow? I'd be picking up hookers to.

478 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:24:03am

re: #456 gclaghorn

How did you survive? ;)

LOL

/finger-counting on the tabletop.

479 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:24:04am

re: #466 gregg

The merger has occurred. They're already repainting the NWA 747s.

That was one of the sticking points --how to unify the pay from the 2 airlines for the senior pilots.

480 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:24:21am

re: #470 MandyManners

No corn on the cob? No asparagus? No salad? Baked potato?

Well I did try to grill some asparagus once... But it kept falling through the grill... ;p

481 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:25:27am

re: #466 gregg

The merger has occurred. They're already repainting the NWA 747s.

Damn that is a pretty Jet! Wish i was an oil Skiek.. I'd have a tricked out 747 in Cherry red..and the little spinning rims thingies...Hot tub..you name it..
:)

482 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:25:31am

re: #472 Walter L. Newton

Morning. Zero degrees here. Anyone want to help me keep warm?

Brrr.

What about your hot date?

483 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:25:47am

re: #468 Shug

The only good NWA service I've experienced is between Narita (Japan) and other destinations in Asia.

484 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:25:47am

re: #474 doriangrey

Cough cough... Would you prefer Blago and company?

I'd prefer some good honest representation in all the states without corruption and hookers being splashed all over the news.

485 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:25:51am

re: #476 Shug

Caligula put a horse in the senate.
Michigan put two horses asses in the senate

LOL!

486 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:26:05am

Bush makes farewell visit to Iraq

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Good for him.

487 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:26:27am

re: #465 Jetpilot1101

Granholm was on Meet the Press (maybe Fox News Sunday?) this morning. She sounded like a dope. "I'm looking forward to working with Obama, after eight years of having no partner in the White House" to paraphrase her. These people can't blow their noses without somehow maligning Bush. It's too bad victory hasn't infused them with a little class.

488 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:26:33am

Michigan, high corporate taxes,union inflated benefits and wages,Democrat control. A glimpse into the future for the entire U.S.

489 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:26:36am

re: #477 Jetpilot1101

Have you seen Stabenow? I'd be picking up hookers to.

Hey, he married her. For better or worse. Forsaking all others. Yadda yadda yadda.

490 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:27:07am

re: #480 doriangrey

Well I did try to grill some asparagus once... But it kept falling through the grill... ;p

*shaking head*

491 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:27:18am

re: #489 MandyManners

Hey, he married her. For better or worse. Forsaking all others. Yadda yadda yadda.

Good point. Obviously he doesn't believe a word of his wedding vows.

492 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:27:31am

re: #483 gregg

The only good NWA service I've experienced is between Narita (Japan) and other destinations in Asia.

Do the employees make a difference?

493 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:27:53am

re: #484 Jetpilot1101

I'd prefer some good honest representation in all the states without corruption and hookers being splashed all over the news.

Hmmm... Well it seems our choices are dumb as rocks or corrupt as the Mafia...

494 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:28:42am

Last update - 17:13 14/12/2008

Hamas chief: We won't renew Gaza truce with Israel

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Pardon my language on a Sunday, but what Fucken truce?

495 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:28:57am

re: #491 Jetpilot1101

Good point. Obviously he doesn't believe a word of his wedding vows.

He's sooo lucky he's not married to me. I'd have a new decoration over my mantle.

496 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:29:13am

re: #429 Timbre

This Wayne Bent "person", aka Michael Travesser, is on trial in New Mexico for criminal sexual contact of a minor. If this related material is true, and he is not convicted, then the jury members have sanctioned abuse of children by "religious" con artists.

This video from the cult website may contain photos of one or more of the victims, and potential new victims, if he is found "not guilty" and released back to his compound.

these people are so lost. their big joyous smiles and vacant empty eyes.
they look like O supporters.
predators around the world are looking for damaged gullible followers like this.
and they always find them.
sadly.

497 n in wi  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:29:50am

re: #477 Jetpilot1101

Have you seen Stabenow? I'd be picking up hookers to.

So she has an I.Q. in the mid 70's, and a hair style from the mid 70's

498 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:29:58am

re: #494 Nevergiveup

Last update - 17:13 14/12/2008

Hamas chief: We won't renew Gaza truce with Israel

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Pardon my language on a Sunday, but what Fucken truce?

Why the official Islamic truce of course, you lay down your weapons and we keep killing you standard Islamic truce...

499 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:30:19am

re: #493 doriangrey

Hmmm... Well it seems our choices are dumb as rocks or corrupt as the Mafia...

In our present position, sure makes Caligula look like genius for putting the horse in the senate. Maybe Obama will put an orangutan in as president of the Senate. Oh wait, America already did that.

500 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:30:38am

re: #493 doriangrey

Hmmm... Well it seems our choices are dumb as rocks or corrupt as the Mafia...

Somebody said this morning on the talk shows that at least it's just an old fashion political scandal..

501 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:30:40am

re: #495 MandyManners

He's sooo lucky he's not married to me. I'd have a new decoration over my mantle.

To go with the other one eh?

502 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:30:54am

Hey, good morning all y'all! From a cold (30 degrees as I type this - going up to 62 later) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing this morning?

503 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:32:02am

re: #497 n in wi

So she has an I.Q. in the mid 70's, and a hair style from the mid 70's

You're on a roll this mornng.

504 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:32:06am

Jerusalem has received various reports in recent weeks indicating that American foreign policy in the Middle East and in Southeast Asia after president-elect Barack Obama takes office will operate on the basis of special envoys who will report directly to Obama and his designated secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

And Powell is on the list. For those of you who don't remember every time "lets stop the war" Powell used to show up in Israel he was greeted with a homicide bomber and I think the Israelis asked him nicely to please stay home. Oh yeah things are looking up?

505 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:32:08am

re: #495 MandyManners

He's sooo lucky he's not married to me. I'd have a new decoration over my mantle.

I'm married to the greatest woman in the world! Apparently, he wasn't.

506 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:32:13am

re: #502 realwest

Hey, good morning all y'all! From a cold (30 degrees as I type this - going up to 62 later) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing this morning?

Doing fine real... Mandy thinks I'm an idiot for trying to BBQ asparagus though... ;p

507 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:32:39am

re: #497 n in wi

So she has an I.Q. in the mid 70's, and a hair style from the mid 70's

I regret that I have only one (+) to give.

508 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:32:40am

re: #501 doriangrey

To go with the other one eh?

You betcha'.

509 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:33:13am

re: #505 Jetpilot1101

I'm married to the greatest woman in the world! Apparently, he wasn't.

Did she stick a gun to his head to force him to stick his penis where it didn't belong?

510 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:33:31am

re: #494 Nevergiveup

Last update - 17:13 14/12/2008

Hamas chief: We won't renew Gaza truce with Israel

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Pardon my language on a Sunday, but what Fucken truce?

The truce they expected the Israelis to honor while they keep launching rockets at Israel.

511 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:33:37am

re: #508 MandyManners

You betcha'.

I resemble that remark... Wait, I've been called nicer things by meaner people than you... ;p

512 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:34:06am

re: #506 doriangrey

Doing fine real... Mandy thinks I'm an idiot for trying to BBQ asparagus though... ;p

You steam it lightly. The crisp, green taste is a wonderful counter to the meat.

513 SueG  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:34:27am

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

Those products are all non-prophet (apparently).

514 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:34:34am

re: #506 doriangrey

Doing fine real... Mandy thinks I'm an idiot for trying to BBQ asparagus though... ;p

I was waiting for your wacks from mandy.. Then I was going to pile on about your diet..Stop the Sugar Dorian!
/

515 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:35:24am

re: #509 MandyManners

Did she stick a gun to his head to force him to stick his penis where it didn't belong?

There is absolutely no excuse for cheating. The answer to your question is no but my guess is he wasn't getting any at home so he grazed in greener pastures. i think she is still married to him. My guess is he has the money and a pretty good pre-nuptial. Seems like he can do whatever he wants.

516 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:35:30am

re: #514 HoosierHoops

I was waiting for your wacks from mandy.. Then I was going to pile on about your diet..Stop the Sugar Dorian!
/

You can have my sugar when you can pry it from my cold dead hands... ;p

517 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:35:40am

re: #512 MandyManners

You steam it lightly. The crisp, green taste is a wonderful counter to the meat.

with melted cheese...
/I hope Realwest isn't hungry

518 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:36:39am

re: #517 HoosierHoops

with melted cheese...

Oh, HELL no.
Hollandaise or nothing.

519 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:37:13am

re: #502 realwest

Hey, good morning all y'all! From a cold (30 degrees as I type this - going up to 62 later) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing this morning?

I've been hit with the *groan* button a couple of times already...other than that not bad, thanks. And you?

520 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:37:47am

re: #515 Jetpilot1101

There is absolutely no excuse for cheating. The answer to your question is no but my guess is he wasn't getting any at home so he grazed in greener pastures. i think she is still married to him. My guess is he has the money and a pretty good pre-nuptial. Seems like he can do whatever he wants.

Only because she puts up with it.

521 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:38:04am

Color Red alert sounds in western Negev
Published: 12.14.08, 17:23 / Israel News
The Color Red alert sounded in the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council area. No rocket landings have been detected at this time. (Shmulik Hadad)

Ya know, maybe if Obama sent his kids to school in the Negev, instead of that rich spoiled pampered swanky druggie Sidwell Friends School, and his kids had to run for the shelters every now and then he might have different perspective of the Middle East?

522 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:38:54am

Well we are finally boarding the flight. I may just make my connection (doudtful but possible). Thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning Lizards! You guys and gals are the best!

523 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:38:54am

re: #510 Alouette

If we piled up all of the truces, Peace Prizes and U.N. paperwork that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has generated, we could reach the moon. The fact that every single "effort" has led to even more conflict and terrorism won't stop B.O. from engaging in more meaningless chit-chat with the bus-bombing psychopaths and their proxies among the "International Community".

524 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:39:03am

re: #517 HoosierHoops

with melted cheese...
/I hope Realwest isn't hungry

Oh, not for me. I love the taste of plain veggies. I reckon I've passed that down to The Kid 'cause he is a huge fan of veggies--he could eat his weight in broccoli.

525 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:39:09am

re: #520 MandyManners

Only because she puts up with it.

Very true.

526 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:39:37am

I love veggies and my taste is pretty simple... either raw in salads, sauteed in garlic and olive oil, or lightly steamed with a little bit of butter and salt.

I tend to avoid the sauces... it destroys the good flavor of the vegetable. I make a rare exception for asaparagus with hollandaise.

527 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:39:40am

re: #522 Jetpilot1101

Well we are finally boarding the flight. I may just make my connection (doudtful but possible). Thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning Lizards! You guys and gals are the best!

Vaya con Dios!

528 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:39:43am

re: #492 MandyManners

Do the employees make a difference?

My experience was that from the U.S. to Naritia we would have U.S. based crews and at Narita we would get Japanese/Asian flight attendants. The business class service was so attentive that it kind of made me feel uncomfortable (it almost felt subservient).

529 Marvo76  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:39:56am

Hoosier hoops, where ya from, I live in Anderson, just northeast of Indy

530 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:40:31am

re: #520 MandyManners

Only because she puts up with it.

i bet she doesn't care, except for the 'scandal' it creates.

531 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:40:34am

re: #518 Irish Rose

Oh, HELL no.
Hollandaise or nothing.

Is that allowed in the South Beach diet?

532 Panhandler  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:40:48am

re: #515 Jetpilot1101

Jet, if it looks like you'll be there a while, you can give me a shout and I'll treat you to a 2nd breakfast. Wouldn't want yhou leaving the Western Gate to the Sunshine State with a bad taste in yoiur mouth.
Panhandler

533 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:41:03am

re: #528 gregg

My experience was that from the U.S. to Naritia we would have U.S. based crews and at Narita we would get Japanese/Asian flight attendants. The business class service was so attentive that it kind of made me feel uncomfortable (it almost felt subservient).

You must be an American.

534 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:41:07am

re: #506 doriangrey
Morning dorian - Mandy's right! LOL!

535 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:41:20am

re: #528 gregg

My experience was that from the U.S. to Naritia we would have U.S. based crews and at Narita we would get Japanese/Asian flight attendants. The business class service was so attentive that it kind of made me feel uncomfortable (it almost felt subservient).

That's kinda how I feel when my wife waits on me hand and foot...oh wait that is only in my dreams?

536 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:41:29am

re: #530 nyc redneck

i bet she doesn't care, except for the 'scandal' it creates.

I don't know her heart but, I know I couldn't put up with it.

537 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:41:57am

re: #524 MandyManners

Oh, not for me. I love the taste of plain veggies. I reckon I've passed that down to The Kid 'cause he is a huge fan of veggies--he could eat his weight in broccoli.

I love all veggies except Spinach.. The taste makes me gag

538 Panhandler  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:42:12am

re: #532 Panhandler

Nope, missed him. Oh well, more brunch for me.

539 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:42:20am

re: #531 HoosierHoops

Is that allowed in the South Beach diet?

Nope.
Fortunately, I don't have a hollandaise addiction. I'm perfectly fine with naked veggies.

My addiction to chicken fried steak with homemade gravy and potatos, is gonna be a little bit harder to kick.

540 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:42:24am

re: #534 realwest

Morning dorian - Mandy's right! LOL!

Ptfff, dont you have a contract to negotiate or something? ;p

541 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:42:28am

re: #517 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - good morning! No, I'm not hungry and CAN'T STAND aparagus anyway you cook it! LOL!
How are ya doing my friend?

542 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:42:33am

re: #530 nyc redneck

Hillary got a Senate seat and ultimately a Cabinet post by looking the other way. Doesn't sound like this chick is getting anything but laughed at.

543 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:43:12am

re: #537 HoosierHoops

I love all veggies except Spinach.. The taste makes me gag

I love spinach but, only raw. Well, I make an awesome wilted-spinach salad. You wilt it with hot bacon grease. Nummy num num.

544 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:43:27am

re: #529 Marvo76

Hoosier hoops, where ya from, I live in Anderson, just northeast of Indy

Hendricks County. Me and my buds were talking about anderson yesterday..The car industry has pretty much killed anderson.

545 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:44:02am

re: #519 Spare O'Lake
I'm doing ok - where is the "groan button" cause there are a few folks out here I could use it on!
Sorry you've been hit with it though (glad you're otherwise doing "not bad"!

546 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:44:19am

re: #537 HoosierHoops

I love all veggies except Spinach.. The taste makes me gag

All the veggies that have a very strong smell when cooked (broccoli, cauliflower, spinach) are great to eat raw!

547 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:45:43am

re: #541 realwest

Hey Hoops - good morning! No, I'm not hungry and CAN'T STAND aparagus anyway you cook it! LOL!
How are ya doing my friend?

Doing great..Will be going to a Colts party today...

548 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:45:43am

re: #546 Alouette

All the veggies that have a very strong smell when cooked (broccoli, cauliflower, spinach) are great to eat raw!

I've never tried Brussels' sprouts raw. However, you can put walnut shells in the water while cooking them and it cuts the odor.

549 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:46:23am

re: #540 doriangrey
LOL! No but I do have to do chores later on,I'm afraid.
Geez,where the hell did the first two weeks of December go, anyway?!

550 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:46:58am

re: #548 MandyManners

I've never tried Brussels' sprouts raw. However, you can put walnut shells in the water while cooking them and it cuts the odor.

I have never tried Brussels sprouts, period. That is the one vegetable I will not eat. I read they have the highest leaf-to-worm ratio of all veggies.

551 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:47:27am

re: #547 HoosierHoops
Still hoping for a Manning v Manning Superbowl?!

552 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:47:43am

re: #533 MandyManners

You must be an American.

Yes - I definitely wasn't use to receiving that kind of service.

553 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:47:44am

re: #549 realwest

LOL! No but I do have to do chores later on,I'm afraid.
Geez,where the hell did the first two weeks of December go, anyway?!

ROTFLMAO... See if you get your 20% then... ;p

554 Marvo76  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:48:41am

Yep, I used to work for Delco America, between the union and the company I don't know which did the worse job. My wife works in Greenfield for a honda supplier, and they take as good or better care of their employees there thanDelco did. I can remember in my youth people around here thought when you died you went to see saint peter and he handed you a timecard and told you lathe 11, plant 7...

555 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:49:11am

re: #551 realwest

Still hoping for a Manning v Manning Superbowl?!

I greatest hyped super bowl of all time..Want is not to like? We play Detroit today..Go Colts!

556 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:49:23am

re: #502 realwest

GOOD MORNING!

How are you this fine day?

557 Panhandler  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:49:42am

re: #550 Alouette

I have never tried Brussels sprouts, period. That is the one vegetable I will not eat. I read they have the highest leaf-to-worm ratio of all veggies.

An historical oddity - According to records the only food type not augmented with overseas shipments to Britain during WWII were Brussel Sprouts, they grew just fine in bomb craters.

558 Marvo76  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:49:49am

re: #551 realwest

I think Archie would be beside himself if that happened, but it would be interesting...

559 Marvo76  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:50:26am

re: #555 HoosierHoops


Don't you mean we are going to play "around" them LOL

560 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:50:30am

re: #550 Alouette
Huh, didn't know that leaf-to-worm thing, but can't stand brussel sprouts anyway - Broccoli I could eat forever, and Cauliflower and corn, and spinach - raw, not cooked at all - taters (cooked or raw!).. peppers cooked not raw, peas, carrots and green or "string" beans. That's it for this beef eater!

561 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:50:47am

re: #555 HoosierHoops

I greatest hyped super bowl of all time..Want is not to like? We play Detroit today..Go Colts!

A prized example of PIMF. sorry..

562 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:51:07am

re: #550 Alouette

I have never tried Brussels sprouts, period. That is the one vegetable I will not eat. I read they have the highest leaf-to-worm ratio of all veggies.

I did not need to know that.

563 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:51:42am

re: #552 gregg

Yes - I definitely wasn't use to receiving that kind of service.

Just remind yourself that you've paid for it.

564 wiffersnapper  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:51:58am

So Sarah Palin's church caught on fire, and the tolerant kooks are blaming the republicans. It made me chuckle.

565 gregg  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:52:01am

re: #560 realwest

Huh, didn't know that leaf-to-worm thing, but can't stand brussel sprouts anyway - Broccoli I could eat forever, and Cauliflower and corn, and spinach - raw, not cooked at all - taters (cooked or raw!).. peppers cooked not raw, peas, carrots and green or "string" beans. That's it for this beef eater!

You forgot lima beans.

566 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:52:09am

re: #556 gettinby
Hey good morning {gettinby} I'm doing ok, thanks, just a lot of stuff to do for the holidays and regular ole everyday living!
Man the holidays are fun, but they really wear me out!
How are y'all doing today?

567 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:52:19am

Sadly, other than potatoes and corn, there really isn't one vegetable that I like.

/even with sauce.
//and don't get me started on liver. LOL

568 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:52:48am

re: #558 Marvo76
Archie probably wouldn't watch! LOL!

569 Karridine  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:53:25am

Here's an objectively verifiable reality... I just traveled out of Bangkok to Chonburi, met with a potential client, and traveled back... It's coming up to 2300 as I write, and I expect this to be one of the last comments on the ONDT...

So g'night y'all, CUL :D

570 Panhandler  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:53:36am

re: #567 gettinby

Sadly, other than potatoes and corn, there really isn't one vegetable that I like.

/even with sauce.
//and don't get me started on liver. LOL


So Pate' is off the menu for this New Years?

571 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:53:57am

re: #564 wiffersnapper
"So Sarah Palin's church caught on fire, and the tolerant kooks are blaming the republicans. It made me chuckle."
WHAT?!? Blaming the Republicans? Who are and why?!

572 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:55:01am

re: #565 gregg
I hate lima beans - didn't forget 'em! Though I do like red, pinto or kidney beans - depending on where you're from, I think they are all the same!

573 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:55:28am

re: #566 realwest

Pretty good...hours have started (finally) backing down, so am beginning to feel like a regular human again.

Expecting to get in the 70's today.

We're doing a beer-butt chicken on the Green Egg...should be good (I hope).

574 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:55:52am

re: #569 Karridine
Hey goodnight Karradine - sleep well!

575 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:56:02am

re: #564 wiffersnapper

So Sarah Palin's church caught on fire, and the tolerant kooks are blaming the republicans. It made me chuckle.

What?

576 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:57:02am

re: #573 gettinby
Uh, do I even want to know what "a beer-butt chicken on the Green Egg" is?!?

577 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:57:07am

re: #571 realwest

I heard about the fire, but not the blame. Probably just Kos-kooks looking for an excuse to poke their favorite pinata.

578 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:57:52am

re: #575 MandyManners
Hi Mandy! That's what I asked! GMTA!

579 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:58:20am

re: #570 Panhandler

So Pate' is off the menu for this New Years?

LOL

It's been an interesting study how, when you tell folks you don't like [insert name of food here], they usually come back with.."Betcha you would like it the way I cook it!"

Believe I've tasted liver prepared eleventy-million ways...still hate it.

580 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:58:43am

re: #550 Alouette

I have never tried Brussels sprouts, period. That is the one vegetable I will not eat. I read they have the highest leaf-to-worm ratio of all veggies.

i have never heard that.
i grow brussels sprouts in the garden and once you peel the outer leaves off, the little cabbage is so compact there are no worms. at least i have never seen any.
and i never spray w/ pesticides. i do have a bug problem w/ cabbage tho.

581 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:58:49am

re: #576 realwest

Uh, do I even want to know what "a beer-butt chicken on the Green Egg" is?!?

I dont know what the on the Green Egg part is but beer butt chicken is utterly wonderful... So tender and juicy... ;)

582 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 7:59:35am

re: #581 doriangrey

Is that when you stand up the chicken with a can of beer in the cavity? That's pretty good.

583 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:00:33am

re: #582 Lincolntf

Is that when you stand up the chicken with a can of beer in the cavity? That's pretty good.

Yup... and man is it good, no residual after taste of the beer what so ever, but tender.. Oh yea... ;)

584 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:00:52am

re: #579 gettinby

LOL

It's been an interesting study how, when you tell folks you don't like [insert name of food here], they usually come back with.."Betcha you would like it the way I cook it!"

Believe I've tasted liver prepared eleventy-million ways...still hate it.

I hate it also..It would be my luck to get stranded on a desert island with only Barry Manilow CD's and unlimited Liver to eat.

585 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:01:04am

re: #477 Jetpilot1101

Have you seen Stabenow? I'd be picking up hookers to.

I found her evil twin.

Debby Stabenow

Arnie disguised as woman in Total Recall

586 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:01:10am

re: #537 HoosierHoops

I love all veggies except Spinach.. The taste makes me gag

It's really healthy if you eat it right out of the can.
(scroll to 04:00 for the fight/spinach segment)

587 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:01:49am

re: #585 Mich-again

That's actually pretty close. Scary.

588 Panhandler  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:02:41am

re: #572 realwest

It's easy to understand the aversion real, have you ever compared a Lima Bean to liver ? I can't stand either.

589 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:02:57am

testing...

590 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:03:32am

re: #584 HoosierHoops

I hate it also..It would be my luck to get stranded on a desert island with only Barry Manilow CD's and unlimited Liver to eat.

No fava beans?

591 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:03:43am

Hmmm...avatar messed up. Back to the drawing board.

592 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:03:56am

re: #576 realwest

Uh, do I even want to know what "a beer-butt chicken on the Green Egg" is?!?

GREEN EGG

BEER-BUTT CHICKEN

593 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:03:57am

re: #589 rightymouse

testing...

You win. That is THE smallest avatar ever.

594 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:04:31am

re: #593 Bloodnok

You win. That is THE smallest avatar ever.

I messed up. Gotta go fix...

595 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:04:53am

re: #584 HoosierHoops

I hate it also..It would be my luck to get stranded on a desert island with only Barry Manilow CD's and unlimited Liver to eat.

I would use the liver to attract bugs and eat the bugs.

596 Panhandler  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:05:09am

re: #583 doriangrey

Er, do you open the beer before inserting, or does the explosion diffuse the flavor?

597 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:05:36am

re: #584 HoosierHoops

I hate it also..It would be my luck to get stranded on a desert island with only Barry Manilow CD's and unlimited Liver to eat.

ROFL!

/and Michelle or Barack to converse with.

598 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:05:43am

re: #596 Panhandler

Yes.

599 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:06:07am

re: #589 rightymouse

testing...

I brought my pencil!

600 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:06:23am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another wintry day in the valley and it's warmed up nicely. For Ottawa.

{realwest} Morning, dahlink. *smoochie* How are you today?

601 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:06:36am

re: #596 Panhandler

Er, do you open the beer before inserting, or does the explosion diffuse the flavor?

Unless you are making Islamic Jihadist chicken you open the can first... ;p

602 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:07:13am

re: #565 gregg

You forgot lima beans.

*shudder*

Blech.

603 The Hoopster  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:07:54am

re: #595 Mich-again

I would use the liver to attract bugs and eat the bugs.

LOL
Well It only took mama an hour to get ready today..So she is just probably wearing a jogging suit...:)
Off to the Colts party.. Homemade pizza is on the menu today..and cold beer.
Our friend makes a mean pizza

604 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:08:02am

re: #599 MandyManners

I brought my pencil!

Upding for one of the great videos of all time.

605 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:08:12am

re: #581 doriangrey
OK, ok - but it's 25% and what the hell is beer butt chicken, anyway! LOL!
And How are ya doing my friend?! Fix the windshield on the vette yet?!

606 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:08:14am

re: #602 Miss Trixie

*shudder*

Blech.

I don't know what's worse, the texture or the flavor.

607 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:09:38am

re: #601 doriangrey

Unless you are making Islamic Jihadist chicken you open the can first... ;p

And, fun for beer drinkers, take a few gulps first (only want the can about 1/2 full or so).

We tried dropping some fresh garlic chunks into the beer one time...very good!

P

608 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:09:41am

re: #591 rightymouse

Hmmm...avatar messed up. Back to the drawing board.

HAHA! Hilarious, toots! :D

609 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:10:18am

re: #588 Panhandler
UGH, me either - Liver and Lima beans and Brussel sprouts - don't need 'em and won't eat 'em unless I'm truly starved (but I've eaten some truly disgusting things, the names of which I either didn't know or have blocked from memory!).

610 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:12:09am

re: #605 realwest

OK, ok - but it's 25% and what the hell is beer butt chicken, anyway! LOL!
And How are ya doing my friend?! Fix the windshield on the vette yet?!

See my #592 for beer-butt chicken.

Really, really good.

611 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:12:12am

re: #605 realwest

OK, ok - but it's 25% and what the hell is beer butt chicken, anyway! LOL!
And How are ya doing my friend?! Fix the windshield on the vette yet?!

Beer butt chicken is a way of cooking Chicken. You stuff an opened can of beer up the chickens butt and cook it. The alcohol and water steam the chicken from the inside out making it so moist and tender that it melts in your mouth. No residual taste of the beer is left over.

I'm doing pretty damned good, the vette no so good. I think it's time to jack up the gas cap and drive a newer vette under it... ;p

612 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:13:11am

re: #606 MandyManners

I don't know what's worse, the texture or the flavor.

Eggs-actly. Okra is delish but I won't eat it if it's cooked incorrectly and comes out slimy.

Nas-TAY.

613 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:13:22am

re: #592 gettinby
Good grief! Do y'all have to get the chicken drunk before you eat it?!
LOL!
Seriously, why doesn't the can of beer explode inside the chicken?!

614 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:13:54am

Good morning, all.

re: #609 realwest

Realwest, I never liked liver until I tasted my mother-in-law's chopped liver. Outstanding, although a little went a long way. :-)

615 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:14:28am

Barack and Michelle are a perfect match... both of 'em vacuous, elitist, self-aggrandizing arrogant attention whores.

I can't imagine being forced to converse with either one of em, for more than ten minutes... any longer than that, I'd drop dead of sheer boredom.

For this reason alone, I've turned down my invitation to the inaugural ball.
And I sure as hell won't be attending any state dinners.

616 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:15:17am

re: #615 Irish Rose

Good morning, Rose! LOL!

617 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:15:21am

re: #600 {Miss Trixie}
Hey there gorgeous - *Smooochies* back atcha! I'm doing ok thanks, how's about you - and how is Lil Miss doing today?!

618 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:15:29am

re: #607 gettinby

And, fun for beer drinkers, take a few gulps first (only want the can about 1/2 full or so).

We tried dropping some fresh garlic chunks into the beer one time...very good!

P

I usually use a nice dark beer, New Castles is preferred by me, and then put not only garlic in it but sweet Basile, Sage, Tarragon, Rosemary and black pepper in it as well.

619 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:15:44am

re: #612 Miss Trixie

Eggs-actly. Okra is delish but I won't eat it if it's cooked incorrectly and comes out slimy.

Nas-TAY.

When I woke up after having a tonsillectomy years and years ago, my parents were eating lunch which included fried okra. To this day, I will not eat it.

620 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:15:46am

Jennifer Granholm is actually on Meet the Press as a economic expert.

unfuckingbelieveable

621 ggt  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:16:11am

Good Morning Lizards! It's coldish and WET in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this am.

Isn't Charles peer-reviewed every day, in every post, by us?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

622 wiffersnapper  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:16:19am

re: #575 MandyManners

There's a sighting of it over at patdollard.com

623 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:16:30am

PIMF a = an

624 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:16:31am

re: #601 doriangrey That's what gettnby's receipe said, but how do you keep the beer from sloshing outta the chicken?!

625 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:16:42am

re: #613 realwest

Good grief! Do y'all have to get the chicken drunk before you eat it?!
LOL!
Seriously, why doesn't the can of beer explode inside the chicken?!

Cause you open the can... ;p... Unless your making splodie Islamic Jihadie Chicken... ;p

626 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:16:55am

re: #613 realwest

Good grief! Do y'all have to get the chicken drunk before you eat it?!
LOL!
Seriously, why doesn't the can of beer explode inside the chicken?!

*giggle*

Silly realwest, if the can wasn't open THEN it would go all splodey.

627 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:17:14am

re: #608 Miss Trixie

HAHA! Hilarious, toots! :D

I can't resize it for some bloody reason. Driving me nuts. Need more java.

628 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:17:21am

re: #620 Shug

Jennifer Granholm is actually on Meet the Press as a economic expert.

unfuckingbelieveable

An expert on what not to do?

629 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:17:56am

re: #613 realwest

Good grief! Do y'all have to get the chicken drunk before you eat it?!
LOL!
Seriously, why doesn't the can of beer explode inside the chicken?!

Cuz it's open and only 1/2 full...so as it heats up, it steams the bird from inside.

And the Green Egg works well with this since it's ceramic and can be used as a smoker, oven and/or grill. Keeps the heat in.

We get the Egg up to about 700 degrees to sear steaks - w.o.n.d.e.r.f.u.l.

630 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:18:01am

Having Jennifer Granholm on as an economic expert is like having William Clay Ford on ESPN telling everybody how to win a Super Bowl

631 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:18:36am

re: #625 doriangrey

splodie Islamic Jihadie Chicken.

lol!

632 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:18:47am

re: #615 Irish Rose

LOL

633 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:18:49am

re: #625 doriangrey

Cause you open the can... ;p... Unless your making splodie Islamic Jihadie Chicken... ;p

GMTA!

634 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:19:05am

re: #624 realwest

That's what gettnby's receipe said, but how do you keep the beer from sloshing outta the chicken?!

I use half of a rotisserie spit to stand the chicken up. But you can buy a stand, or make your own. But yea, ya stand the chicken up... ;)

635 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:19:20am

re: #614 rw in san diego
Hey hi there rw! Nope I don't even like chopped liver.
I can't stand Liver no matter how well disguised it is! lol!
How are you doing today?

636 ggt  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:19:35am

Is it the Sunday Beer & Chicken thread?

637 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:19:59am

re: #635 realwest

I'm doing well, thanks. How are you and your mother?

638 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:20:09am

re: #622 wiffersnapper

There's a sighting of it over at patdollard.com

The church’s Web site says the congregation will meet at 11:15 a.m. Sunday at Wasilla Middle School.

I wonder if the moonbats will be pissed at this.

639 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:20:49am

re: #636 ggt

Is it the Sunday Beer & Chicken thread?

Chicken Breasts

640 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:20:56am

re: #621 ggt
Good morning ggt! Most of us seem to be doing ok, and we're talking about foods that we like, don't care for or loathe!
Oh and beer-butt Chicken.
Don't ask.

641 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:21:23am

re: #618 doriangrey

YUM!

We're going simple this time...a little garlic and some poultry-type seasoning in the beer, and a dry-rub of some sort (Mr. GBy's creation) on the chicken.

642 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:21:31am

re: #636 ggt

Is it the Sunday Beer & Chicken thread?

ROTFLMAO... Yup, pretty much... Some of us Lizards are extolling the virtues of beer butt chicken... ;)

643 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:21:31am

re: #627 rightymouse

I can't resize it for some bloody reason. Driving me nuts. Need more java.

Use MS Office Picture Manager for that. You can re-size and compress your pics. Works like a charm.

644 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:21:38am
645 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:22:03am
646 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:22:04am

ok - let's try this one.

647 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:22:33am

re: #620 Shug
Good morning Shug! Hope you're doing well!
Uh, where have I heard that name, Jennifer Granholm before? I'm pretty sure NOT in connection with economics, but I could be wrong!

648 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:22:43am

re: #643 Miss Trixie

Use MS Office Picture Manager for that. You can re-size and compress your pics. Works like a charm.

Don't have that one. :(

649 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:23:10am

re: #641 gettinby

YUM!

We're going simple this time...a little garlic and some poultry-type seasoning in the beer, and a dry-rub of some sort (Mr. GBy's creation) on the chicken.

Yea, my biggest problem with making beer butt chicken is usually saving enough beer for the chicken... ;p The dry-rub sounds interesting...

650 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:23:36am

re: #630 Shug

Having Jennifer Granholm on as an economic expert is like having William Clay Ford on ESPN telling everybody how to win a Super Bowl

You know her brother Bob used to post here simply as Bob Granholm. Pretty cool guy.

651 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:23:49am

david Gregory has goofy hair

652 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:23:55am

re: #647 realwest

Isn't she the Michigan Gov.?

653 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:24:44am

re: #652 rw in san diego


yes she is.
The Joe Hazlewood of our economic ship

654 gettinby  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:24:47am

re: #613 realwest

Good grief! Do y'all have to get the chicken drunk before you eat it?!
LOL!
Seriously, why doesn't the can of beer explode inside the chicken?!

Cuz you stuff the open and 1/2 full can up the chicken's butt.

/and don't tip the chick or it will slosh out! LOL

655 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:24:59am

re: #634 doriangrey
Stand the chicken up? What happened, did ya get a real date?!?
Just kidding, just kidding - no go out there and right a song about beer-butt chicken, record it and let's get that sucker sold as a Christmas meal type song! LOL!

656 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:25:15am

re: #651 Shug

David Gregory's an ass.

/IMO

657 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:25:30am

re: #652 rw in san diego

Isn't she the Michigan Gov.?

Regretably so.

658 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:26:06am

re: #637 rw in san diego
We're both doing fine - but as we haven't EVEN begun to do Christmas shopping, deocrating or cards yet, we are on the verge of panic! LOL!

659 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:26:21am

re: #651 Shug

david Gregory has goofy hair

He was the original Blago!

660 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:26:31am

re: #647 realwest

Good morning Shug! Hope you're doing well!
Uh, where have I heard that name, Jennifer Granholm before? I'm pretty sure NOT in connection with economics, but I could be wrong!

Yeah, she is this lizard's little sister.

661 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:28:28am

Yayyy! Avatar is working now.

662 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:28:29am

Off to noon Mass. Seeya..

663 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:28:44am

re: #651 Shug

david Gregory has goofy hair


Goes with his personality.

664 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:28:45am

re: #655 realwest

Stand the chicken up? What happened, did ya get a real date?!?
Just kidding, just kidding - no go out there and right a song about beer-butt chicken, record it and let's get that sucker sold as a Christmas meal type song! LOL!

Hurumpf... I am a serious musician... Not weird Al...

665 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:29:23am

re: #661 rightymouse

Yayyy! Avatar is working now.

cough cough... Still the smallest avatar here... ;p

666 ggt  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:30:06am

re: #639 Shug


oy!

667 ggt  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:30:37am

re: #640 realwest

Hey RW! How you doin' this morning?

668 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:31:42am

re: #658 realwest

LOL! Better get going...Christmas is coming! The pressure of having just a short time remaining should reduce the dithering over what to buy for whom...it promotes prompt decision making thus reducing shopping time. At least, that's the reasoning I use in explaining my procrastinating.

669 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:31:44am

re: #658 realwest

We're both doing fine - but as we haven't EVEN begun to do Christmas shopping, deocrating or cards yet, we are on the verge of panic! LOL!

Irish Roses' recommendations for a stress-free holiday:

Forget about sending cards (I stopped doing em several years ago, no regrets)

Limit your decorating to a nice tree, a decent centerpiece and a few silk pointsettia plants scattered about.

Shop EBay in your pajamas whenever you like, even at 1am.
You get what you want at a price you can afford, delivered right to your front door in 1-3 days... you can even have it gift wrapped.

And remember: the deli is your friend.

670 RJ77  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:31:45am

Leftists giggle over the arson attack on Sarah Palin's church:

[Link: roblogpolitics.blogspot.com...]

They are already concocting wild-eyed conspiracy theories between bouts of laughter. Disgusting.

671 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:31:53am

re: #655 realwest

Stand the chicken up? What happened, did ya get a real date?!?
Just kidding, just kidding - no go out there and right a song about beer-butt chicken, record it and let's get that sucker sold as a Christmas meal type song! LOL!

You're on fire this morning! :D HAHAHA!

672 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:31:55am

re: #622 wiffersnapper
From your link:

Church Pastor Larry Kroon, reached at home Saturday morning, said he’d been up all night and was still in a state of disbelief.

He said the church was in only its second winter in the building, and he confirmed the $1 million damage estimate.

“It’s one of those things - it feels surreal,” he said.

The pastor said he was especially disturbed someone would set the fire while people were inside.

He said he had talked to fire officials, but didn’t know of any specific clues.

“The possibilities are so wide and variable,” he said. “Someone intentionally did it, but we don’t know who and why.”

The pastor declined to speculate whether the fire was politically based or directed at Palin, a Republican who ran unsuccessfully as John McCain’s vice presidential running mate. Kroon also declined to say whether the church has received any recent threats.


I hope that whoever is responsible for this is caught and tried for Arson and attempted murder, at a minimum.
Son of a bitch - American politics and especially the LOONS in American politics have gotten SO MUCH nastier than they ever were. Bad enought to fire bomb a church, but to do so when there are people in it is just too much.
Where did it say or who was it who said that Repubicans are behind this arson?

673 ggt  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:32:21am

Now for something completely serious.

674 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:32:27am

re: #661 rightymouse

Awww. Such a cute mousey!

675 ggt  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:34:05am

re: #669 Irish Rose

I also stopped sending Christmas Cards years ago. I don't regret it one bit. I may still send them in the future, if we move or something and want to send a mass mailing to announce it.

Family likes the tree.

676 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:34:13am

rightymouse

Yay! :D Cute, too. :D

677 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:34:16am

re: #652 rw in san diego
Ah yes, a true paragon of economic knowledge, as the State of Michigans finances will amply demonstrate.

678 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:35:04am

re: #661 rightymouse

Yayyy! Avatar is working now.

very cute.
;D

679 ggt  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:35:15am

re: #658 realwest


ONLINE SHOPPING! Go ahead, pay for them to wrap it and ship it to it's destination. SOOO much easier.

680 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:35:55am

So I had Meet the Press on, and now there is an infomercial for the nuwave oven which is much more interesting and informative


apparently you can microwave a frozen steak for 30 minutes and it tastes just as good as one done on the grill.

who knew?

681 wiffersnapper  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:36:01am

re: #672 realwest

once again, liberal tolerance on parade.

682 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:36:01am

re: #660 Mich-again
No kidding? But his "bio" says he's serving in the Canadian Military - is he Canadian and she American?!

683 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:36:59am

re: #664 doriangrey

Hurumpf... I am a serious musician... Not weird Al...

Oh and dont forget, my CD makes the perfect Christmas gift for that special person on your christmas list that you have to get a present for, but really dont like... Like your mother/father/sister/brother-in-law... ;) ;p

684 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:37:18am

re: #661 rightymouse
And well worth the wait! Good morning righty!

685 ggt  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:37:30am

Speaking of Christmas shopping, I have to go finish mine.

Have a great day all!

686 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:37:34am

re: #665 doriangrey

cough cough... Still the smallest avatar here... ;p


Try refreshing the screen. :)

687 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:37:52am

re: #680 Shug

So I had Meet the Press on, and now there is an infomercial for the nuwave oven which is much more interesting and informative


apparently you can microwave a frozen steak for 30 minutes and it tastes just as good as one done on the grill.

who knew?

Listen I got this bridge in brooklyn for sale?

688 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:37:52am

re: #659 Wyatt Earp
Hey Howdy, Wyatt, how are ya doing today?!

689 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:38:07am

re: #684 realwest

And well worth the wait! Good morning righty!

Morning real!

Ready for shopping? lol!

690 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:38:11am

re: #686 rightymouse

Try refreshing the screen. :)

Oh... There ya go... ;)

691 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:38:56am

re: #679 ggt

ONLINE SHOPPING! Go ahead, pay for them to wrap it and ship it to it's destination. SOOO much easier.

Oh hell yeah. BTW, how's the menagerie, toots?

692 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:39:01am

re: #667 ggt
I'm doing ok, thanks for asking ggt - I hope you're doing well too?!

693 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:39:32am

re: #668 rw in san diego
I like the way you think! LOL!

694 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:39:33am

re: #682 realwest

As I recall, she was born in Canada. The Dems thought highly of her and were unhappy that she'd not be eligible to run for President. Boo hoo.

695 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:39:53am

re: #676 Miss Trixie

rightymouse

Yay! :D Cute, too. :D

Your avatar is hilarious - in an adorable way. lol!

696 Irish Rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:40:35am

re: #679 ggt

ONLINE SHOPPING! Go ahead, pay for them to wrap it and ship it to it's destination. SOOO much easier.


I do all my holiday shopping on EBay and Amazon, haven't gone to a mall in years. You can usally find free or low cost shipping offers this time of year, too.

I justify the cost of shipping because I don't have to pay more for gas, hassle with crowded parking lots and long checkout lines, and waste hours and hours of my valuable time and energy walking through store after store after store.

697 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:40:52am

McCain...You Know Who Isn't Helping With This Whole Blago Mess? The RNC, That's Who.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

"With all due respect to the Republican National Committee, we should try to be working constructively together," McCain said.

Ah, John have you been reading the papers. You lost. Go home.

698 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:42:01am

re: #678 nyc redneck

very cute.
;D


Had a heck of a time resizing pics. I should know how to do this by now and my head's just not cooperating today. :)

699 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:42:04am

re: #669 Irish Rose
Hi Rose! Hey, thanks a lot for those tips - but it's kinda hard to surprise mom with a christmas gift purchased on-line as I'm on SSDI and no one (for some strange reason!) wants to give me a credit card!
But I like the rest of your suggestions - tried the no Christmas Card route last year and felt badly about it, so I'm going back to it this year!

700 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:42:52am

Speaking of online shopping - try overstock.com!

They often have free shipping days. Place is addicting, I tell you what. :)

701 yochanan  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:43:06am

re: #579 gettinby

LOL

It's been an interesting study how, when you tell folks you don't like [insert name of food here], they usually come back with.."Betcha you would like it the way I cook it!"

Believe I've tasted liver prepared eleventy-million ways...still hate it.

well i do like it the way a safardi i know makes it. onion, tomato, lots of spice can't really taste the liver.

702 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:43:43am

from an email:
'After numerous rounds of 'We don't even know if Osama is still alive', Barrack Obama has now been telling everyone he will capture Osama Bin Laden when elected.'

So, Osama Bin Laden himself decided to send Barrack Obama a letter in his own handwriting to let him know he was still in the game.

Obama opened the letter and it contained a single line of coded message:

370H-SSV-0773H

Obama was baffled, so he e-mailed it to Howard Dean .

Dean and the DNC and his aides had no clue either, so they sent it to Joe Biden .

Joe Biden could not solve so it was sent to the FBI and the CIA.

Eventually they asked John McCain and his Staff to look at it.

And within a minutes McCain's Staff e-mailed Obama with this reply: 'Tell Obama he's holding the message upside down'.

703 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:44:15am

re: #701 yochanan

I love Safardic cooking!

704 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:44:47am

re: #695 rightymouse

Your avatar is hilarious - in an adorable way. lol!

Ain't it though?

705 Shug  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:45:21am

re: #702 newsjunkie_ky

wow I'm getting old. It was hard getting upside down to read that

706 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:47:06am

re: #685 ggt
See ya ggt - good hunting!

707 irish rose  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:47:18am

re: #699 realwest

Hi Rose! Hey, thanks a lot for those tips - but it's kinda hard to surprise mom with a christmas gift purchased on-line as I'm on SSDI and no one (for some strange reason!) wants to give me a credit card!
But I like the rest of your suggestions - tried the no Christmas Card route last year and felt badly about it, so I'm going back to it this year!

All you need to shop EBay is a PayPal account. You don't need a credit card.

708 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:47:23am

re: #630 Shug

Having Jennifer Granholm on as an economic expert is like having William Clay Ford on ESPN telling everybody how to win a Super Bowl

ha!...bulls eye

709 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:47:58am

re: #688 realwest

Hey Howdy, Wyatt, how are ya doing today?!

Mornin' Real! Tired. Worked an 11-hour shift last night. Really busy in the big city.

710 Miss Trixie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:48:08am

I'm out too. See yez and I'll prolly check in later.

realwest, hon, you and your mom have a real good day. *mwah*

711 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:48:24am

Hi, Lizard Nation!

I'm sad and shocked.
You remember I told you all that Madame Dog and I would have a brother for her, for Christmas?

Well - its not happening.
When I rang today to say we'd come and play with him, as we aranged on Thursday, they told me he'd gone with someone else, yesterday! And that this was a staffer's mistake, so sorry ...
This, in spite of me being told he'd not go before this coming Friday, and in spite of me being top of the list (yep, they checked, I still was top of the list!).

I wrote an ever so polite complaint, but between feeling totally let down, betrayed, and hopping mad I'v decided I shall let eerybody know how that dogs home is letting their dogs go just like that, with no checks on the adopting family, with no information for those on waiting lists, with giving out contradictory information to their customers.

Well, at least that dog has a new home, thats the only good thing to come out of it.

712 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:48:38am

re: #705 Shug

wow I'm getting old. It was hard getting upside down to read that


But worth it, though.
How is Baby Shug doing?

713 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:48:49am

re: #702 newsjunkie_ky

LOL!

714 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:49:51am

re: #707 irish rose

All you need to shop EBay is a PayPal account. You don't need a credit card.

Ya know I don't have a pay pal account but they keep sending e-mails to update my account I need to send them my master card account number?

715 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:49:57am

re: #689 rightymouse
NO! I'm not ready for shopping - I HATE shopping - once I decide what to purchase then I will go into the appropriate store and purchase same. I will NOT hunt and gather - just search all over - don't have the temerment for that: I go in, slay what I want, sling it over my shoulder and leave! LOL!
(h/t to Cameman's Story or whatever it was called - one man play on Broadway about 10 years ago!).

716 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:50:07am

Just another quick drive by. Its been a slow day so far. :-)

Mashaal announces 'calm' will not be extended after Dec. 19

Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal was quoted on Sunday afternoon by a Hamas television station in Damascus as saying, "There will be no renewal of the 'calm' after it expires."

717 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:50:21am

re: #711 yma o hyd

(((yma o hyd)))

718 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:51:18am

re: #716 Bubblehead II

Just another quick drive by. Its been a slow day so far. :-)

Mashaal announces 'calm' will not be extended after Dec. 19

Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal was quoted on Sunday afternoon by a Hamas television station in Damascus as saying, "There will be no renewal of the 'calm' after it expires."

They've replenished their stocks of ammo?

719 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:51:57am

re: #683 doriangrey
Oh, hey ABSOLUTELY Y'ALL - go buy the CD and all the other items - get 'em in triplicate for those special people on your list!
Support a lizard!

720 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:52:29am

re: #718 MandyManners

They've replenished their stocks of ammo?

Pretty much what Khaled Mashaal said.

721 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:52:43am

re: #718 MandyManners

And rockets and motars. Probably also go a bunch of new tunnels dug as well.

722 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:52:58am

re: #716 Bubblehead II

Can you imagine any country other than Israel tolerating someone stating clearly, credibly and unequivocally that they were going to be attacked in one week? How they put up with it (the public, not the politicians) is beyond me.

723 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:53:31am

NATO is in talks with Afghanistan's northern neighbours to allow the shipment of more supplies to troops, the force's commander said on Sunday, after Taliban attacks destroyed hundreds of trucks coming from Pakistan.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Dam we sure are lucky that Pakistan is our Allie?

724 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:53:35am

re: #718 MandyManners

They've replenished their stocks of ammo?

Sounds like you're pretty good at translating 'terrorist talk'.

725 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:53:41am

re: #717 MandyManners

(((yma o hyd)))

Thanks, Mandy!
At least Madame Dog is sitting next to me on the sofa, and she of course doesn't know what was going to happen to her cosy set-up. Mind, she did like him ...

726 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:54:13am

re: #719 realwest

Oh, hey ABSOLUTELY Y'ALL - go buy the CD and all the other items - get 'em in triplicate for those special people on your list!
Support a lizard!

And help me fund my next torture recording project... ;) (realwest really does need want his 20%) ;p

727 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:54:18am

re: #718 MandyManners

They've replenished their stocks of ammo?

I'm getting to the point where I think Israel should just sucker punch these assholes and be done with it...official statement..."we did it" and drop the issue...to hell with anybody else...what can anybody else say or do?...time to drop the gloves...

728 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:54:20am

re: #714 Nevergiveup

Ya know I don't have a pay pal account but they keep sending e-mails to update my account I need to send them my master card account number?

NO! watch out for scams. If you didn't set up an account they will not contact you. that is probably a scam.

729 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:54:24am

Hudna. Hudna. Hudna.

730 Joan  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:54:30am

re: #711 yma o hyd

I'm so sorry.
There are many animals needing adoption, please consider trying again--maybe with a different shelter.

Our county animal control shelter is really very good, or you could try the humane society.

Enjoy the Holidays anyway.

731 Erik The Red  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:55:32am

Good morning/evening Lizards. I just got back from the beach. To much cold beer and I look better than any lobster you can get. What's everyone talking about?

732 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:56:05am

re: #728 newsjunkie_ky

NO! watch out for scams. If you didn't set up an account they will not contact you. that is probably a scam.

One or both of us forgot our /sarcasm tags. Last time I fell for something like that I got married...ooops erase that..I didn't say that?

733 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:56:09am

re: #731 Erik The Red

Good morning/evening Lizards. I just got back from the beach. To much cold beer and I look better than any lobster you can get. What's everyone talking about?

for me...knockin the shit out of Hamas

734 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:56:21am

re: #700 rightymouse
Do you really get great deals from Overstock? Or is it hype for junk type stuff?

735 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:57:02am

re: #725 yma o hyd
So sorry, that was rotten of them to do that. Hopefully you and Miss Dog will find a furboy that will fit in nicely soon.

736 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:57:15am

re: #731 Erik The Red

Good morning/evening Lizards. I just got back from the beach. To much cold beer and I look better than any lobster you can get. What's everyone talking about?

Well since it's freezing the North East, I'm gonna assume your don't mean Jones Beach?

737 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:57:54am

re: #727 albusteve

I'm getting to the point where I think Israel should just sucker punch these assholes and be done with it...official statement..."we did it" and drop the issue...to hell with anybody else...what can anybody else say or do?...time to drop the gloves...

Yup. This bullshit has got to stop. The Palestinians have no intention of ever living peacefully with Israel, the only real option for Israel is to engage any and all such enemies with the amount of violence required to make them unconditionally surrender.

738 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:57:58am

re: #722 Lincolntf

An irrational desire to commit National suicide is all I can figure. They keep electing politicians that think they can talk their way out this mess instead of electing ones that will say enough is enough.

Unfortunately, I think we (the United States) have just done the same thing with the One (tm)

739 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:58:45am

re: #732 Nevergiveup

One or both of us forgot our /sarcasm tags. Last time I fell for something like that I got married...ooops erase that..I didn't say that?

LOL!

740 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:59:04am

re: #702 newsjunkie_ky
Hey {news} that was hilarious! Wonder who it was that told McCain it was upside down?!?
How are you doing today?

741 Erik The Red  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:59:18am

re: #736 Nevergiveup

Well since it's freezing the North East, I'm gonna assume your don't mean Jones Beach?

No, North coast beach in Durban S. Africa. High 80's, high humidity and great sun. The best day so far this summer.

742 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 8:59:31am

re: #704 Miss Trixie

Ain't it though?

Love it! :)

743 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:00:15am

re: #727 albusteve

I'm getting to the point where I think Israel should just sucker punch these assholes and be done with it...official statement..."we did it" and drop the issue...to hell with anybody else...what can anybody else say or do?...time to drop the gloves...

I couldn't agree more!

I've had this thought, why doesn't Israel do a bit of hudna and taqqia for themselves: let the Worrrld force them into the borders of 1967 - prepare secretly for full-on war, make it known that one, just one attack, will have consequences - and when this attack inevitably comes, let all hell break loose ...
The Arabs are like the Germans in Churchill's famous words, its time they had their necks under Israel's feet again.

Sorry if thats too bloodthirsty for a Sunday, but I'm effen angry!

744 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:00:48am

re: #740 realwest

Doing good. Working on my grocery list for Christmas goodies.
Sent that to you in an email as well.
How are you doing today?

745 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:01:10am

re: #734 realwest

Do you really get great deals from Overstock? Or is it hype for junk type stuff?


I've found fabulous deals there. Mostly with bedding and I bought my full-length goose-down coat there. Also deals on perfume.

Have to know what to look for and know what they would typically cost otherwise.

746 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:01:13am

re: #705 Shug
ROTFL! NO - you hold it in front of a mirror* upside down! Makes as much sense as actually reading it upside down!


*Note, still on first cuppa coffee, so you may need two mirrors to do this and your mileage may vary.

747 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:01:28am

re: #741 Erik The Red

No, North coast beach in Durban S. Africa. High 80's, high humidity and great sun. The best day so far this summer.

So why don't you have Lizard's party. I got enough mile to fly down?

748 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:01:32am

re: #738 Bubblehead II

Unfortunately, I think we (the United States) have just done the same thing with the One (tm)

Maybe, maybe not. What we are now learning about Obama is, that under the thin veneer of his socialist/Marxist exterior he is fundamentally a Chicago Gangster... I suspect somebody is going to make the mistake of fucking with the US and getting a hell of a lot more than a horse head in their bed...

749 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:01:47am

re: #737 doriangrey

Yup. This bullshit has got to stop. The Palestinians have no intention of ever living peacefully with Israel, the only real option for Israel is to engage any and all such enemies with the amount of violence required to make them unconditionally surrender.

this phony legitimacy and 'official' crappola makes me sick...they are neither...collectively the west has allowed this sureal pradigm to exist and now Israel has gone blind it seems...the whole fucking thing is a perverse assult on reality

750 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:01:58am

re: #730 Joan

I'm so sorry.
There are many animals needing adoption, please consider trying again--maybe with a different shelter.

Our county animal control shelter is really very good, or you could try the humane society.

Enjoy the Holidays anyway.

Thanks, Joan - trouble is, I'm living on the other side of the Big Pond ...

751 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:02:54am

re: #748 doriangrey

Maybe, maybe not. What we are now learning about Obama is, that under the thin veneer of his socialist/Marxist exterior he is fundamentally a Chicago Gangster... I suspect somebody is going to make the mistake of fucking with the US and getting a hell of a lot more than a horse head in their bed...

I have to admit my biggest worry about Obama is who is this guy and who is it that is really pulling the strings?

752 Erik The Red  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:03:20am

re: #747 Nevergiveup

Any time. You get here the drinks, beach, weather and chicks/studs on me.

753 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:03:35am

re: #748 doriangrey

We can only hope.

bbiaw, have to make it look like I am doing something to earn my pay. :-)

754 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:03:45am

re: #707 irish rose
Uh, how does one go about setting up a paypal account if you don't have a credit card?!
Well, it doesn't matter for this Christmas anyway, Mom has given me her credit card (with a strict spending limit which - since I pay the rent and utilities and half of the food, I will cheerfully ignore!).

755 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:04:01am

re: #735 newsjunkie_ky

So sorry, that was rotten of them to do that. Hopefully you and Miss Dog will find a furboy that will fit in nicely soon.

Well, this one seemed to be 'the one', because I wasn't really looking for another dog, he just happened to tug my heartstrings.
If he wasn't meant for us, we'll just have to wait patiently for the true one to come along - as he will!

756 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:05:10am

re: #743 yma o hyd

I couldn't agree more!

I've had this thought, why doesn't Israel do a bit of hudna and taqqia for themselves: let the Worrrld force them into the borders of 1967 - prepare secretly for full-on war, make it known that one, just one attack, will have consequences - and when this attack inevitably comes, let all hell break loose ...
The Arabs are like the Germans in Churchill's famous words, its time they had their necks under Israel's feet again.

Sorry if thats too bloodthirsty for a Sunday, but I'm effen angry!

otherwise it will only ever end badly for Israel...history will frown on their submission...to do nothing is the worst choice

757 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:05:17am

re: #709 Wyatt Earp
Whoa, how long do you get "off" before you have to put in another 11 hour shift? And is that 11 hour shift due to the Christmas shopping season - are crooks more active these days?!

758 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:05:21am

re: #754 realwest

Uh, how does one go about setting up a paypal account if you don't have a credit card?!
Well, it doesn't matter for this Christmas anyway, Mom has given me her credit card (with a strict spending limit which - since I pay the rent and utilities and half of the food, I will cheerfully ignore!).

Can't you use a checking acount?

759 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:05:45am

If you have not tried 'Burt's Bees' products, do so. It will make Lizard skin feel as soft and smooth as a baby's. I just tried them for first time and will never use anything else.
Great Christmas gifts.
No, I don't work for them.

760 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:05:49am

re: #751 Nevergiveup

I have to admit my biggest worry about Obama is who is this guy and who is it that is really pulling the strings?

Being a Chicago Gangster he just might be pulling his own strings, I suspect we are about to discover that we elected Don Vito Corleone...

761 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:06:07am

re: #734 realwest

The other thing about overstock.com is that their customer service is excellent. I bought one item once and it arrived broke - they made the mistake of using DHL on that one. Anyway, I was sent the return authorization immediately and they credited my card as soon as the item arrived back.

Also, another place I shop for the older women in my family is replacements.com - they have out of production china patterns. That's where I get replacements/additions to my Noritake set.

762 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:06:08am

re: #710 Miss Trixie
{MWAH} back and wishes for a GREAT DAY for you, too!

763 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:07:26am

re: #760 doriangrey

Being a Chicago Gangster he just might be pulling his own strings, I suspect we are about to discover that we elected Don Vito Corleone...

in some ways I wish we had...he had balls

764 Dustyvet  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:07:28am

re: #758 Nevergiveup

Can't you use a checking acount?

I have a Pay Pal account, and is set up with my checking account. I don't use a credit card with pay pal.

765 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:07:48am

re: #756 albusteve

otherwise it will only ever end badly for Israel...history will frown on their submission...to do nothing is the worst choice

Yep - I wish they'd ask themselves what the generation would say, who fought and gave their blood to have this state Israel.
Doesn't this do-nothing, keep-quiet attitude dishonour their sacrifices?

766 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:07:56am

re: #760 doriangrey

Being a Chicago Gangster he just might be pulling his own strings, I suspect we are about to discover that we elected Don Vito Corleone...

Well I am not so sure about that, but if Rahm Emanuel turns up floating in Lake Michigan I just may have to change my mind?
/ just so Walter and everyone knows I am not advocating violence!

767 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:08:52am

re: #755 yma o hyd

Well, this one seemed to be 'the one', because I wasn't really looking for another dog, he just happened to tug my heartstrings.
If he wasn't meant for us, we'll just have to wait patiently for the true one to come along - as he will!

He will, good friend, he will.
My little Izzy puppy is the one I'm supposed to have. Didn't think I could find her but I knew instantly she was the one.

768 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:09:02am

re: #711 yma o hyd
Hey {yma} I'm so sorry to hear about that. Let's just hope that that dog's new home is a great one.
Still pretty lousy way to treat you.

769 Joan  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:09:29am

re: #750 yma o hyd

Thanks, Joan - trouble is, I'm living on the other side of the Big Pond ...

Oh, its hard to offer anything but cold comfort for disappointment. Your collie is so cute (that's your avatar pic, yes?) There'll be another day, and meantime, collies are the best. I grew up with the big shaggy kind, like lassie and they were the sweetest and finest. No I have a lab mix and love that kind too!

770 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:09:45am

Back again, my sadistic daughter dragged me, sick as a dog out to get a Christmas tree. But, it is a nice tree, which means now I have to hunt down and untangle the lights, sort the decorations, and generally not get to hide in bed with my laptop all day. What good is being sick if you can't lounge all day, I ask?

771 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:09:50am

re: #765 yma o hyd

Yep - I wish they'd ask themselves what the generation would say, who fought and gave their blood to have this state Israel.
Doesn't this do-nothing, keep-quiet attitude dishonour their sacrifices?

of course...sacrifice is always for the future...it's dishonorable and even suicidal...put up a fight

772 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:10:58am

re: #714 Nevergiveup

Ya know I don't have a pay pal account but they keep sending e-mails to update my account I need to send them my master card account number?

That is a SCAM! A very realistic looking SCAM!
I got a similar e-mail the other day, and it looked real. The only reason I questioned it was that it came to the e-mail address I set up for a particular project, that I do not use for ANYTHING else.

A legitimate operation will NOT contact you and ask for your credit card number, SSN, password or anything else for "verification" purposes.

If there is a problem, they will contact you by phone, by regular mail. THEY WILL NOT ASK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

773 Dustyvet  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:10:59am

re: #764 Dustyvet

I have a Pay Pal account, and is set up with my checking account. I don't use a credit card with pay pal.

You can register your bank account with Paypal - so you don't necessarily need a credit card, but you do need a bank account

774 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:11:11am

re: #770 CapeCoddah

Life's a bitch! LOL. Cute avatar pics.

775 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:11:18am

re: #766 Nevergiveup

Well I am not so sure about that, but if Rahm Emanuel turns up floating in Lake Michigan I just may have to change my mind?
/ just so Walter and everyone knows I am not advocating violence!

Well consider it in this light... A shit load of people who crossed Bill Clinton ended up floating down river, and Obama is hiring former Clinton employees like there is no tomorrow. Make what you will of that...

776 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:11:27am

re: #767 newsjunkie_ky

He will, good friend, he will.
My little Izzy puppy is the one I'm supposed to have. Didn't think I could find her but I knew instantly she was the one.

I can't tell you how happy I am for you and Izzy that you've found each other!
Yes, I'm sure the right one will appear one day ...

Funnily enough, we met one of the 'usual' Border Collie dogs today, and Madame was instantly in full flirty mode! Poor dog didn't want to know, he wanted to play with his flying squirrel!

777 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:12:19am

re: #726 doriangrey
Dorian, I'm trying to be polite here, but it's 25%! Damnit!

778 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:12:24am

re: #774 rw in san diego

Life's a bitch! LOL. Cute avatar pics.

Thanks. And thanks a bunch for the commiseration!

779 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:13:05am

re: #772 reine.de.tout

See 732

780 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:13:26am

re: #768 realwest

Hey {yma} I'm so sorry to hear about that. Let's just hope that that dog's new home is a great one.
Still pretty lousy way to treat you.

Hiya, {rw}!

It was lousy! But the whole dog-walikng world here will know about this in the next few days - they were all so happy for Madame and me, this will spread like wildfire.

How are you - keeping warm, I hope!

781 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:13:43am

re: #775 doriangrey

Well consider it in this light... A shit load of people who crossed Bill Clinton ended up floating down river, and Obama is hiring former Clinton employees like there is no tomorrow. Make what you will of that...

Good point!

782 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:13:45am

re: #777 realwest

Dorian, I'm trying to be polite here, but it's 20%! Damnit!

That's what I said... 20%... ;p

783 opnion  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:13:45am

Good morning Lizards.
Chris Matthews is on right now with a really balanced panel , CeCi Connley & Eugene Robinson of WaPo , Andrea Mitchell & Andrew Sullivan.
The balance ranges from far left to way far left.
Andrew Sullivam opined that, it will be tough to find a CIA Director not tainted with the war crimes of the last eight years.
Then Mattews asked the panel if the Republicans will just understand that this is not their time & just get out of Obama's way.

784 rw in san diego  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:13:54am

re: #778 CapeCoddah

LOL. I really do hope you feel better soon.

785 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:14:15am

re: #732 Nevergiveup
Typing out loud and not previewing can get your ass in a whole lot of trouble.
Just saying...!
:)

786 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:14:55am

re: #723 Nevergiveup

Cough, cough...

There's a very high price for this supposed assistance.

787 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:15:36am

re: #776 yma o hyd
Does Miss Dog like her flying squirrel or is she still playing with the traffic cone?

788 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:15:37am

re: #765 yma o hyd

I agree that it's a shame that the hard work and courage of the Founding Fathers of Israel could have all been for naught. It's unfathomable how the current population is accepting the status quo.
I can't believe that anyone in Israel doesn't KNOW for an absolute fact that they are going to have to kill or be killed to end this war. Even the pacifists and appeasers among them must realize that their enemy wants them exterminated and will settle for nothing less.

789 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:15:47am

re: #769 Joan

Oh, its hard to offer anything but cold comfort for disappointment. Your collie is so cute (that's your avatar pic, yes?) There'll be another day, and meantime, collies are the best. I grew up with the big shaggy kind, like lassie and they were the sweetest and finest. No I have a lab mix and love that kind too!

Yep, the av is Madame Dog (I've promoted her from Miss Dog, she is getting on, nearly 12 years old!).

Collies are wonderful but quite demanding - but actually, any wet nose in front and a wagging tail the other end makes me happy wherever I meet them.
Only - house-room gotta be reserved for Collies ...

790 Syrah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:15:51am

re: #783 opnion


Then Mattews asked the panel if the Republicans will just understand that this is not their time & just get out of Obama's way.

Yes, much like you get out of the way of train wrecks.

791 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:16:22am

re: #785 realwest

Typing out loud and not previewing can get your ass in a whole lot of trouble.
Just saying...!
:)

Wife away for weekend and I cleaned the house, fed the cats, and did the shopping per instructions. So I think she might cut me some slack. Then again?

792 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:17:02am

re: #783 opnion

Good morning Lizards.
Chris Matthews is on right now with a really balanced panel , CeCi Connley & Eugene Robinson of WaPo , Andrea Mitchell & Andrew Sullivan.
The balance ranges from far left to way far left.
Andrew Sullivam opined that, it will be tough to find a CIA Director not tainted with the war crimes of the last eight years.
Then Mattews asked the panel if the Republicans will just understand that this is not their time & just get out of Obama's way.

Oh, brother.

793 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:17:07am

re: #744 newsjunkie_ky
Uh, well I was doing good - now feel like I oughta go check my e-mails, though! LOL!
Damn new e-mail system doesn't "notify me" when I get new e-mail!

794 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:17:54am

re: #778 CapeCoddah

Thanks. And thanks a bunch for the commiseration!


Sorry you're not feeling well. There's a nasty bug going around.

Did you get hit with the ice storm?

795 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:18:14am

re: #770 CapeCoddah

Back again, my sadistic daughter dragged me, sick as a dog out to get a Christmas tree. But, it is a nice tree, which means now I have to hunt down and untangle the lights, sort the decorations, and generally not get to hide in bed with my laptop all day. What good is being sick if you can't lounge all day, I ask?

Its no good at all, if ye ask me!
{CapeCoddah}

Tree lights are a nightmare - I'veswitched to these LED lights a few years back - they still go on functioning even when a few are conked out.
Thats the trouble with normal fairie lights, once they don't function you never know which little bulb to replace - nightmare!

796 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:18:19am

re: #775 doriangrey

Well consider it in this light... A shit load of people who crossed Bill Clinton ended up floating down river, and Obama is hiring former Clinton employees like there is no tomorrow. Make what you will of that...

what I make of it is since then Bill did two stitches in the WH...Hill was a US senator and now SoS...after narrowly losing a run for the WH herself...that's where we have come to...

797 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:18:20am

re: #790 Syrah
Good one!

798 legalpad  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:18:46am

re: #732 Nevergiveup

One or both of us forgot our /sarcasm tags. Last time I fell for something like that I got married...ooops erase that..I didn't say that?

I needed sarc tags, like, many years ago.

799 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:19:03am

re: #783 opnion

Good morning Lizards.
Chris Matthews is on right now with a really balanced panel , CeCi Connley & Eugene Robinson of WaPo , Andrea Mitchell & Andrew Sullivan.
The balance ranges from far left to way far left.
Andrew Sullivam opined that, it will be tough to find a CIA Director not tainted with the war crimes of the last eight years.
Then Mattews asked the panel if the Republicans will just understand that this is not their time & just get out of Obama's way.

No calls for bipartisanship? Fancy that.

800 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:19:26am

re: #758 Nevergiveup
I have no idea - and no time to check today!

801 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:19:38am

re: #799 MandyManners

No calls for bipartisanship? Fancy that.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

802 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:20:30am

re: #794 rightymouse

Sorry you're not feeling well. There's a nasty bug going around.

Did you get hit with the ice storm?

NO, The Cape escaped the ice storm, we had lots of rain and nasty winds, trees down, but, thankfully no ice storm.

803 opnion  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:20:54am

re: #790 Syrah

Yes, much like you get out of the way of train wrecks.

I thought that the outrageous thing is that Mattews is suggesting that elected office holders should STFU & give this neophyte free reign.
Now Matthews is coming back with "Tell me something I Don't know."
Uh ok Chris , you are an insipid efing idiot!

804 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:21:04am

re: #761 rightymouse
Hey thanks a lot righty! But, uh, doncha have to pay the shipping to send it back to 'em?!

805 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:21:23am

re: #793 realwest

Uh, well I was doing good - now feel like I oughta go check my e-mails, though! LOL!
Damn new e-mail system doesn't "notify me" when I get new e-mail!

I don't like change! That would drive me crazy.

806 Syrah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:21:33am

re: #799 MandyManners

No calls for bipartisanship? Fancy that.

The Democrats have always understood Bipartisanship to mean that the Democrats make the policy and the Republicans take the blame.

The Republicans have yet to fully understand this.

807 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:21:38am

re: #702 newsjunkie_ky

hey {newsjunkie}
i needed that laugh this morning.
:D
how are ya?

808 opnion  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:21:49am

re: #794 rightymouse

Sorry you're not feeling well. There's a nasty bug going around.

Did you get hit with the ice storm?

I got the thing, what is everybody doing about it? Suggestions.

809 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:21:54am

re: #787 newsjunkie_ky

Does Miss Dog like her flying squirrel or is she still playing with the traffic cone?

Traffic cone now bores her - but she's found a lovely, thick, smooth, sawed-off piece of wood, about the size of a beer can ... thats her favourite right now. We hid it today, Flying Squirrel has been abandoned for the time being, alas ...

810 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:21:54am

re: #802 CapeCoddah

NO, The Cape escaped the ice storm, we had lots of rain and nasty winds, trees down, but, thankfully no ice storm.

Whew!

I haven't heard from my cousin in Rhode Island in the last couple of days. How bad did they get hit?

811 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:22:38am

While the Dallas Cowboys were trying to downplay a possible rift between Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, the two nearly came to blows on Friday, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram first reported Saturday.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Hey hey. Sorry to ya all Boy's fans out there but it is funny. Hey do you think we will be reading this about Obama and Hilliary soon?

812 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:23:00am

re: #806 Syrah

The Democrats have always understood Bipartisanship to mean that the Democrats make the policy and the Republicans take the blame.

The Republicans have yet to fully understand this.

boy is that ever exactly true...well put

813 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:23:12am

re: #795 yma o hyd

Its no good at all, if ye ask me!
{CapeCoddah}

Tree lights are a nightmare - I'veswitched to these LED lights a few years back - they still go on functioning even when a few are conked out.
Thats the trouble with normal fairie lights, once they don't function you never know which little bulb to replace - nightmare!

Thanks Yma, I will probably guilt hubby into doing the lights this year. That will take some thinking, though, as he is slick. I hate the light battle. It is always worth it once you are done, though. I love Christmas trees.

814 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:23:15am

re: #804 realwest

Hey thanks a lot righty! But, uh, doncha have to pay the shipping to send it back to 'em?!


Nope. With the return authorization, they sent a 'thingy' for the shipping on my end that bills them for the return.

815 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:23:50am

re: #757 realwest

Whoa, how long do you get "off" before you have to put in another 11 hour shift? And is that 11 hour shift due to the Christmas shopping season - are crooks more active these days?!

I finished at 3am. I go back in today at 3pm for my regular 8-hour shift. Last night was OT - need lots of that right now. :)

816 Spiny Norman  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:23:55am

re: #772 reine.de.tout

That is a SCAM! A very realistic looking SCAM!
I got a similar e-mail the other day, and it looked real. The only reason I questioned it was that it came to the e-mail address I set up for a particular project, that I do not use for ANYTHING else.

A legitimate operation will NOT contact you and ask for your credit card number, SSN, password or anything else for "verification" purposes.

If there is a problem, they will contact you by phone, by regular mail. THEY WILL NOT ASK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

Whenever you get one of those phony PayPal phishing emails, forward it to spoof@paypal.com.

Seriously, I'd love to see those scammers get nailed. They must be succeeding in conning the gullible and ripping them off, or they wouldn't keep doing it.

817 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:24:15am

re: #810 rightymouse

Whew!

I haven't heard from my cousin in Rhode Island in the last couple of days. How bad did they get hit?

My daughter is a student at URI in Kingston and she hasn't said it is to bad yet, but then again she can be kinda oblivious what goes on around her?

818 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:24:15am

re: #788 Lincolntf

They ought to realise that - after all, there is now so much more information on the ROPMA available. Even we have now learned about taqqiya and hudna - surely its not beyond the officers in the IDF, and the people in Mossad to understand what time it is?

Politicians - forget it!

819 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:24:39am

re: #807 nyc redneck

hey {newsjunkie}
i needed that laugh this morning.
:D
how are ya?

Doing good, but bad news, not coming to NYC after Christmas. Will have to wait a couple months.
What are you up to today? Baking, candy making?

820 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:24:40am

re: #811 Nevergiveup

While the Dallas Cowboys were trying to downplay a possible rift between Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, the two nearly came to blows on Friday, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram first reported Saturday.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Hey hey. Sorry to ya all Boy's fans out there but it is funny. Hey do you think we will be reading this about Obama and Hilliary soon?

I am a devout Cowboy fan...I have no comment

821 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:25:14am

re: #801 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

Do they really expect the GOP to just shut up and sit down? Are they really that entitled?

822 Joan  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:25:28am

re: #806 Syrah

The Democrats have always understood Bipartisanship to mean that the Democrats make the policy and the Republicans take the blame.

The Republicans have yet to fully understand this.

Republicans need to learn a simple equation, "Bipartisanship = date rape"

It wouldn't hurt Republicans to also learn "Dance with the one that brung ya"
but that's another issue for another day.

823 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:25:53am

re: #780 yma o hyd
Yes I am keeping warm, although the temp here was like 30 degrees when I got on board LGF - next week it's supposed to be all in the mid to upper 60's and lows in the upper 40's! I can take that easy!
I do hope "the" doggie for you comes along soo!
{yma}

824 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:26:00am

re: #806 Syrah

The Democrats have always understood Bipartisanship to mean that the Democrats make the policy and the Republicans take the blame.

The Republicans have yet to fully understand this.

Sounds like a big, dysfunctional family.

825 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:26:04am

re: #711 yma o hyd

so sorry to hear abt. this turn of events.
how disappointing.

826 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:26:05am

Good day

827 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:26:11am

re: #809 yma o hyd

I can see her now with that piece of wood. LOL! It is amazing what grabs their attention.

828 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:26:32am

re: #821 MandyManners

Do they really expect the GOP to just shut up and sit down? Are they really that entitled?

quite honestly yes

829 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:26:48am

re: #810 rightymouse

Whew!

I haven't heard from my cousin in Rhode Island in the last couple of days. How bad did they get hit?

Got mostly rain and wind along the south coast, RI escaped the ice storm being the south coast, Most of MA and NH are declared states of emergency. Still several million with no electricity, but, that should be solved within the next 24 hours or so. We never lost power here, thank God, it is really cold, I feel bad for all the folks with no heat, but lots of shelters open for them.

830 Syrah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:27:08am

re: #803 opnion

I thought that the outrageous thing is that Mattews is suggesting that elected office holders should STFU & give this neophyte free reign.
Now Matthews is coming back with "Tell me something I Don't know."
Uh ok Chris , you are an insipid efing idiot!

Its bluff and bluster.

He states it and hopes that the Republicans are submissive enough to do as he suggests.

The trouble for the Democrats is that they have a lock on everything.

If the Republicans refuse to participate, the whole of the disaster that will be the Obama decade will rest squarely on the Democrats. (Blagojevich is just a foretaste of what is yet to come.)

The trouble for Republicans is that we have to many weak willed politicians who would sell out the Nation and the Party just to get a little pat on the head and smiling praise from the Democrats/media.

831 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:27:13am

re: #820 albusteve

I am a devout Cowboy fan...I have no comment

I am a Jets fan so I have no aligence to the Giants. I wouldn't mind seeing the Cowboys win tonight. I think the best thing that could happen to your team is for someone to lay TO right out. He is a cancer!

832 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:27:35am

re: #817 Nevergiveup

My daughter is a student at URI in Kingston and she hasn't said it is to bad yet, but then again she can be kinda oblivious what goes on around her?

Ahhh...college students. Been there, done that. One more to go. lol!

I'll email cousin and see if he responds.

833 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:27:42am

re: #2 traderjoe9

Whats an axiom?

"t-j9" -

An AXIOM is the last attempt by Isuzu to build their own US Market SUV. Basically it was an attractive new body with some nice features built on the Rodeo Chassis - think of it as a "Truck-Based" Crossover. It was also - remember this was 2001 - Too Short, Too Narrow and TWO ROW (seating).
The new 3 Row Seating Ford Explorer blew it away in its intended market.
Perhaps, it like other things was "slightly ahead of its time."
After the AXIOM, Isuzu marketed a 3 Row Trail-Blazer Clone called the Ascender - or as we referred to it - the "ASS-ENDER."

-S-

834 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:27:48am

re: #821 MandyManners

Do they really expect the GOP to just shut up and sit down? Are they really that entitled?

Well Missy Mathews certainly thinks they should be...

835 Spiny Norman  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:28:01am

re: #783 opnion

Then Mattews asked the panel if the Republicans will just understand that this is not their time & just get out of Obama's way.

What Tingly-Leg is saying is "sit down, shut up, and vote the way we tell you to... so we can blame you for it when it fails."

836 notutopia  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:28:28am

re: #770 CapeCoddah

Hey Cape Coddah,
Were you without power any these last couple of days? I see that there are many up your way that are still very cold with no electricity...

837 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:28:32am

re: #791 Nevergiveup
Delete this LGF page and wipe hard drive clean and you'll be jake!
:)

838 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:29:39am

re: #829 CapeCoddah

Got mostly rain and wind along the south coast, RI escaped the ice storm being the south coast, Most of MA and NH are declared states of emergency. Still several million with no electricity, but, that should be solved within the next 24 hours or so. We never lost power here, thank God, it is really cold, I feel bad for all the folks with no heat, but lots of shelters open for them.


Oh, dear. Hubby has a cousin in Plymouth. Or was this mostly northern Mass. and into New Hampshire?

839 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:29:44am

re: #831 Nevergiveup

I am a Jets fan so I have no aligence to the Giants. I wouldn't mind seeing the Cowboys win tonight. I think the best thing that could happen to your team is for someone to lay TO right out. He is a cancer!

maybe maybe not...I absolutely do not trust the media...by buddies in Dallas are generally appalled how the press treats the team over there...beyond that I hate all Mannings everywhere

840 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:30:04am

re: #813 CapeCoddah

Thanks Yma, I will probably guilt hubby into doing the lights this year. That will take some thinking, though, as he is slick. I hate the light battle. It is always worth it once you are done, though. I love Christmas trees.

So do I! Loved decking them in different colours each year.

Now, I;ve got juts the one little artificial tree left - its white, we got it when we went to a cottage for Christmas many years ago. It got packed into a box and was sitting in the garden shed, and when we cleaned the sehd out, we found it had been used as a nest for mice, they'd eaten some of the 'twigs'.
So, of course we couldn't abandon it, poor little tree!
Its totally wrapped in tinsel and lights every year, it looks wonderful!

Once I get it up I'll take photos and post them.

841 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:30:11am

re: #836 notutopia

Hey Cape Coddah,
Were you without power any these last couple of days? I see that there are many up your way that are still very cold with no electricity...

We never lost power. The only power outages here were due to downed tree/limbs. Very few on Cape lost power, those that did were almost immediately back up. The rest of the state is a mess.

842 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:30:54am

re: #838 rightymouse

Oh, dear. Hubby has a cousin in Plymouth. Or was this mostly northern Mass. and into New Hampshire?

Yeah, Plymouth is OK. Nothing there, but north of Plymouth is a mess.

843 Spiny Norman  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:31:20am

re: #811 Nevergiveup

While the Dallas Cowboys were trying to downplay a possible rift between Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, the two nearly came to blows on Friday, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram first reported Saturday.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Hey hey. Sorry to ya all Boy's fans out there but it is funny. Hey do you think we will be reading this about Obama and Hilliary soon?

Hope so.

Be honest NFL fans, did anyone expect anything else when the Cowboys signed T.O.?

844 CapeCoddah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:31:49am

re: #840 yma o hyd

So do I! Loved decking them in different colours each year.

Now, I;ve got juts the one little artificial tree left - its white, we got it when we went to a cottage for Christmas many years ago. It got packed into a box and was sitting in the garden shed, and when we cleaned the sehd out, we found it had been used as a nest for mice, they'd eaten some of the 'twigs'.
So, of course we couldn't abandon it, poor little tree!
Its totally wrapped in tinsel and lights every year, it looks wonderful!

Once I get it up I'll take photos and post them.

Sounds great!

845 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:32:00am

re: #783 opnion

Good morning Lizards.
Chris Matthews is on right now with a really balanced panel , CeCi Connley & Eugene Robinson of WaPo , Andrea Mitchell & Andrew Sullivan.
The balance ranges from far left to way far left.
Andrew Sullivam opined that, it will be tough to find a CIA Director not tainted with the war crimes of the last eight years.
Then Mattews asked the panel if the Republicans will just understand that this is not their time & just get out of Obama's way.

That's code for: - let the democrats install card check and force non-union auto makers into crap union contracts that poison and cripple their business. Let the corrupt pay-to-play union/democrat marriage force cancerous unionization (socialization) wherever they can. Universal bullshit crap healthcare for the masses - without any choice in the matter. Continue to feed the Democrat /teacher's union connection and stall any hope of creating a better educational system (especially for poor inner city kids)
Just get out of the way and let the fascist pay-to-play corruptocrats handle it.

846 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:32:10am

re: #819 newsjunkie_ky

Doing good, but bad news, not coming to NYC after Christmas. Will have to wait a couple months.
What are you up to today? Baking, candy making?

ok, keep me posted.
this morning i met a bum on the street. he asked me how i was doing.
i said, "waiting on the economy to turn around".
he replied, "awww, if i had lots of money, i'd give you bushels and bushels."
that made me smile. he didn't even ask me for any money. even bums get it.
lol
today i will work on some ideas for spring.

847 realwest  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:33:01am

re: #830 Syrah
"The trouble for Republicans is that we have to many weak willed politicians who would sell out the Nation and the Party just to get a little pat on the head and smiling praise from the Democrats/media."

Nail. On. The. Head.

Good morning Syrah - hope you're doing well today!

848 opnion  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:33:23am

re: #821 MandyManners

Do they really expect the GOP to just shut up and sit down? Are they really that entitled?

Apparently , they now look at it as 'Mine,all mine"

849 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:33:54am

re: #843 Spiny Norman

Hope so.

Be honest NFL fans, did anyone expect anything else when the Cowboys signed T.O.?

yes...his thing in Dallas has always been way overblown...as for other fans around the league most are so stupid they barely know the rules of the game and their opinions certainly hold no water with me

850 Nevergiveup  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:34:07am

re: #848 opnion

Apparently , they now look at it as 'Mine,all mine"

Well Pelosi does look alittle like Golum doesn't she?

851 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:35:25am

re: #842 CapeCoddah

Yeah, Plymouth is OK. Nothing there, but north of Plymouth is a mess.


Ok - thanks! Appreciate the info.

852 opnion  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:36:24am

re: #850 Nevergiveup

Well Pelosi does look alittle like Golum doesn't she?

Yup, she wants the preshus

853 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:39:13am

re: #846 nyc redneck

Bums like that are hard to come by.
Almost finished with Christmas shopping and wrapping. Will start the baking and candy making next weekend. I sure wish I was still coming to NYC after Christmas. I did get to see the Macy's Christmas windows and Bloomingdale's.
I didn't even decorate this year. Will have Christmas at daughter's house down the street.

854 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:40:31am

re: #850 Nevergiveup

Well Pelosi does look alittle like Golum doesn't she?

If golum had a great set of tits, but otherwise yea...

855 bungie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:41:10am

re: #428 Irish Rose

Here's an interesting question for the open thread:

Has anyone here tried the South Beach Diet, and has it worked for you?

The doc says it's a great diet to follow if you want to tackle insulin resistance, which I have. I'm planning to start it just as soon as I get the all clear on my kidney infection.

Yes, yes. Works for weight loss, lowering cholesterol, blood sugar. Do it with metamucil or some other some other fiber if you are as old.

856 Lincolntf  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:42:35am

re: #849 albusteve

McNabb?

857 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:43:36am

re: #811 Nevergiveup

Hey, I'm a fan but crybaby athletes are funny. If T.O. didn't attract the attention of defenses so much he'd get the ball thrown his way more often. I know he tries to shift the focus onto other receivers by dropping lots of balls but defenses still try and shut him down as a first priority. None of that bothers me much anyway, I'm more concerned by Romo's propensity to throw to the defense instead of Witten or T.O.

858 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:45:48am

re: #856 Lincolntf

McNabb?

there you have it...and besides in contrast to TO...in Philly his team mates dont like him...management ignores him...the press kills him...he cant close a game...he's always hurt...but he's no 'cancer'...wtf?

859 yochanan  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:47:45am

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

a good story from the trib all of a sudden. supprise me.

860 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:47:56am

re: #857 Rancher

Hey, I'm a fan but crybaby athletes are funny. If T.O. didn't attract the attention of defenses so much he'd get the ball thrown his way more often. I know he tries to shift the focus onto other receivers by dropping lots of balls but defenses still try and shut him down as a first priority. None of that bothers me much anyway, I'm more concerned by Romo's propensity to throw to the defense instead of Witten or T.O.

Romo has a problem brewing...people are starting to grumble a bit

861 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:50:30am

re: #858 albusteve

McNabb is overrated. Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team

862 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 9:55:28am

re: #861 Rancher

McNabb is overrated. Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team

he has talent and can make plays...but he is terrible at reading defenses and the other thing is he doesnt inspire his team mates...without Westbrook he would be just another guy going nowhere...imo

863 Rancher  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 10:01:16am

re: #862 albusteve
I was quoting Rush, he was called a racist for making those remarks regardless of the fact that they were true. I think Romo might have been a little overrated too. A great team can make a good QB look great. Romo and McNabb have some proving to do.

864 albusteve  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 10:04:46am

re: #863 Rancher

I was quoting Rush, he was called a racist for making those remarks regardless of the fact that they were true. I think Romo might have been a little overrated too. A great team can make a good QB look great. Romo and McNabb have some proving to do.

I know the reference...even tho it's true the media has no interest in McNabb other than just a story...I hate most sports writers and those goons from ESPN are the worst...now Doug Williams is a story...like who's he?...duh

Romo is the real deal...he's young and a bit reckless tho

865 bungie  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 10:19:29am

There are a few posts here from people who gave up sending Christmas cards a few years ago, eliminated shopping, etc and have no regrets. I'm not addressing my comments to anyone here but this pressed a button for me. The emphasis seems to be all about "I" and eliminating "stress for me." Why do anything, if it's stressful? Eliminate it all. Concentrate on your career or the TV. Why have holidays anyhow?

I thought sending cards was not about "you," it was about reaching out to others, connecting and sending some cheer. Aren't there people on your lists that would welcome hearing from you? We've put a funny Christmas letter in the cards for years rather than trying to personalize each and every card and we get so much positive feedback, everyone says they love it! I love seeing photos of people's kids growing up and also of their dogs. When we see people we haven't seen in a while, they are warmer because of these letters.

I recently attended a "Moms' class" through church which was all about stress reduction, peace, etc. One of the woman gave a brunch at the end of the 8 week class for the group of 10 Moms and their husbands and kids. Everyone said they would come and signed up for what to bring. The hostess and her husband and son went all out with made-to-order omelettes, scalloped potatoes, etc. There were Christmas decorations, wood-burning fires, treats for the kids and party games with wrapped prizes. She was dressed in lace.

The problem was no one came but me. No one. Only one person called. It was horrible and so painful and I obviously couldn't leave as the only guest. Meanwhile during the class, so many of the Moms had said they took a bath everyday for stress reduction. (I was shocked by this as a full time working Mom, I haven't taken a bath in 40 plus years.) I'm beginning to think these people are not stressed at all; they are self-centered. This is what my generation, the baby-boomers, has produced.

866 swamprat  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 10:44:55am

re: #859 yochanan

Thanks Yochanan.

867 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 10:46:18am

re: #682 realwest

No kidding? But his "bio" says he's serving in the Canadian Military - is he Canadian and she American?!

They are both Canadian. It doesn't say the Governor has to be a natural born citizen. I'm sure you can name at least one other immigrant Governor.

868 Syrah  Sun, Dec 14, 2008 12:24:51pm

re: #847 realwest

Doing well.

We have snow on the ground here.


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