Fast threads today...zooom

Snowing here in Portland.

Video: Hamas Loyalist Dressed As Gilad Schalit Paraded On Stage At Hamas Rally In Gaza Attended By Thousands

It is actually "cold" here in AZ today too. Not enough to snow, but 20 degrees cooler than yesteday

Filled up the truck last night- $1.36 a gallon.

The Towercam is back up.

nap time.

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Oregon?
Maine?

re: #5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

1.23 yesterday. felt like I was stealing it.

Amish homeowners: Religion trumps building codes

Attorneys acting on behalf of the Amish argue they have a constitutional right to religious freedom. They don't have to conform to building regulations that require them to use architectural drawings, smoke detectors, quality-graded lumber and inspections, Steve Ballan, an assistant public defender assigned to the Amish in Morristown wrote in court documents.
"They should be allowed to practice their religion and their religious traditions without interference from the government," he said in an interview.
The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which has taken up the Amish's cause in Hammond, plans to file a federal lawsuit in New York in the next few weeks arguing that.
The Amish advocates have a strong argument, said University of Michigan law professor Douglas Laycock.
The government must show a strong reason why regulations outweigh religious freedoms, he said. Building officials argue permits and codes ensure structural safety, but Amish homes aren't falling down, he said.
"People aren't getting hurt," he said.

Are you sure you want to go down that road?

re: #5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Filled up the truck last night- $1.36 a gallon.

That is nice...still hovering around the $1.50 range here. We filled our trucks up with diesel on Friday for $1.95...that is the cheapest I have seen diesel in many years...YEA!

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oregon. It's always snowing in Maine. Here in Oregon it's an event.

The forecast calls for a high temperature of -5 °F in Saint Paul/Minneapolis tomorrow.

re: #10 solomonpanting

And, they don't use union labor.

re: #10 solomonpanting

Amish homeowners: Religion trumps building codes

Are you sure you want to go down that road?

Do the codes demand plans for electrical wiring?

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Oregon and Idaho...the only two lower 48 I have yet to visit.

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Video: Hamas Loyalist Dressed As Gilad Schalit Paraded On Stage At Hamas Rally In Gaza Attended By Thousands

Absolutely nauseating.

re: #12 Killgore Trout

/Don't even think of telling Albore!

re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like Oregon but I wasn't much impressed with Idaho.

re: #15 MandyManners

Do the codes demand plans for electrical wiring?

Not even indoor plumbing.

re: #15 MandyManners

Do the codes demand plans for electrical wiring?

Saw that yesterday, it is a conundrum. Don't see why you should have to have electricity if you don't want it.

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Video: Hamas Loyalist Dressed As Gilad Schalit Paraded On Stage At Hamas Rally In Gaza Attended By Thousands

It's hard not to fantasize about a large anti-personnel strike wiping out the whole crowd. It's no doubt what the speakers there are advocating for the civilians of Israel, with the full-throated support of the audience.

re: #15 MandyManners

I'm done shopping and here is a poem to go with the weekend here in New Hampshire.

'Twas the day of shopping, when all through the house
not a cabinet was empty, not even the trunk.
The stock put away in the kitchen with care,
in hopes that the depression soon won’t be here.

The dogs were nestled all snug in their beds,
while visions of dog bones danced in their heads.
And Mama in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
had just settled our brains for a fine Conyack.

When out on the roof there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my couch to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
tore open the shutter, and threw up the sash.

The moon on the breast of the new-fallen ice
gave the luster of midday to objects below,
when, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but a tree on my house and crushed my John Deere.

With all this food in the house and no way to cook it,
I knew in a moment I was going to be sick,.
More rapid than eagles, I pulled out the reserve,
and with a pop and a bang I yelled out

"Now start you bastard!
Now, don’t let me down!
On, one pull! On, two pulls!
On, on the third it started!
To the top of the porch!
To the top of the wall!
Now I have power so get away get away get away all!

That's quite a list of disturbing articles on the side bar from MEMRI. Wow.

re: #15 MandyManners

Do the codes demand plans for electrical wiring?

I would assume so. But, even if many Amish don't use electricity, the buildings still wouldn't meet code.

re: #4 Desert Dog

It is actually "cold" here in AZ today too. Not enough to snow, but 20 degrees cooler than yesteday

Is Al Gore giving a speech there?

re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oregon and Idaho...the only two lower 48 I have yet to visit.

So you don't plan to visit the other 9 of 57 states?

re: #27 invictus1

That took 5 minutes longer than I thought it would. heh.

re: #25 solomonpanting

I would assume so. But, even if many Amish don't use electricity, the buildings still wouldn't meet code.

My brother-in-law (professional engineer) built his house; he had trouble meeting code because he was making things better than the mandated one-size-fits-all regulated way of doing things.

This is in Florida, BTW. A few years back, when a hurricane hit the neighborhood, his was the only house without any major roof damage.

Oh, for-...

McCain scolds GOP for whacking Obama

In a surprising rebuke to the warriors who fought for him through tough times, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Sunday sided with President-elect Barack Obama and scolded the Republican National Committee for fanning the Illinois corruption scandal.

On ABC’s “This Week,” host George Stephanopoulos asked: “The chairman of the Republican National Committee, Mike Duncan, has been highly critical of the way President- elect Obama has dealt with this.
"He's had a statement every single day, saying that the Obama team should reveal all contacts they've had with Governor [Rod] Blagojevich. He says that Obama's promise of transparency to the American people is now being tested. Do you agree with that?”

McCain replied: “I think that the Obama campaign should and will give all information necessary. You know, in all due respect to the Republican National Committee and anybody — right now, I think we should try to be working constructively together, not only on an issue such as this, but on the economy stimulus package, reforms that are necessary. And so, I don't know all the details of the relationship between President-elect Obama's campaign or his people and the governor of Illinois, but I have some confidence that all the information will come out. It always does, it seems to me.”
Just this morning, the Republican National Committee released a Web video called “Questions Remain.”

“The video highlights the evolving explanations delivered by President-elect Obama and his advisers concerning their contact with the embattled and scandal-plagued Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich despite Obama’s promises to instill greater transparency and confidence in government,” the party’s announcement said.

re: #13 gregg

The forecast calls for a high temperature of -5 °F in Saint Paul/Minneapolis tomorrow.

And it's 38 now, with periods of rain. This could get really bad.

re: #22 stuiec

There are some very fine nonlethal weapons that could be used to disrupt the show. A nice laser pain ray would be big fun.

re: #30 Salem

Oh, for-...

McCain scolds GOP for whacking Obama

I still have a completely clear conscience for not supporting that bastard.

Let's hope the GOP gives us an actual Republican in 2012.

re: #30 Salem

Almost makes you glad Obama won? Just a thought. i guess it's time to stop drinking. or drink more?

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Video: Hamas Loyalist Dressed As Gilad Schalit Paraded On Stage At Hamas Rally In Gaza Attended By Thousands

I just don't think I can watch that.

re: #34 JamesTKirk

Kiiirrrkkk!

re: #35 Nevergiveup

Almost makes you glad Obama won? Just a thought. i guess it's time to stop drinking. or drink more?

The only way I could have been glad is if someone completely different from Obama or McCain had won. They were both disasters.

re: #33 Killgore Trout

There are some very fine nonlethal weapons that could be used to disrupt the show. A nice laser pain ray would be big fun.

Nope... we need to deploy the GAY BOMB on them! Lighten them up a little.

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kiiirrrkkk!

Veeeggg!

re: #21 CapeCoddah

Saw that yesterday, it is a conundrum. Don't see why you should have to have electricity if you don't want it.

You wouldn't get away with that anywhere, much as you might like to use alternative methods. There are minimum requirements for outlets per x amount of square feet. Why should one group be exempted?

re: #30 Salem

Someone should tell my Senator he doesn't have to kiss Obama's ass any longer...ugh

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Just finished up trimming this years Christmas tree. Looks good. Whats a good add to the water for keeping the tree fresh.?I bought it at the town fire dept as a charity type donation, but the tree is a bit dry. don't want it drying out too prematurely. And we did trim the trunk for a fresh cut.

re: #39 Desert Dog

Nope... we need to deploy the GAY BOMB on them! Lighten them up a little.

I would say "Deploy the nude bomb" (Get Smart), but the idiots who voluntarily march nude are bad enough...

re: #36 gop_patriot

I just don't think I can watch that.

I don't kn ow why Israel doesn't just carpet bomb these kind of gatherings.

re: #38 JamesTKirk

The only way I could have been glad is if someone completely different from Obama or McCain had won. They were both disasters.

Amen

re: #30 Salem

Grrr . . .

It didn't take him long to revert back to his "Gang of fourteen" persona.

re: #42 Desert Dog

Someone should tell my Senator he doesn't have to kiss Obama's ass any longer...ugh

He's been kissing Democrat ass for years in the Senate, do you honestly expect him to stop now?

re: #34 JamesTKirk

I still have a completely clear conscience for not supporting that bastard.

Let's hope the GOP gives us an actual Republican in 2012.

Looks like McCain has completely gone over to the dark side. (no pun intended).

re: #44 Spider Mensch

Just finished up trimming this years Christmas tree. Looks good. Whats a good add to the water for keeping the tree fresh.?I bought it at the town fire dept as a charity type donation, but the tree is a bit dry. don't want it drying out too prematurely. And we did trim the trunk for a fresh cut.

Add a little water with sugar to the tree and a little egg nog with brandy for yourself...the tree will look even better once that's done

re: #31 Noam Sayin'

And it's 38 now, with periods of rain. This could get really bad.

I'd much rather have snow than freezing rain. Fortunately, I'm working from home the rest of the year.

re: #17 Alouette

No more so than the usual claptrap. Now, watch for Israel to be blamed for Palestinians getting stoned and drugging up to tune out the reality that the Palestinians have created all around them.

re: #29 JamesTKirk

My brother-in-law (professional engineer) built his house; he had trouble meeting code because he was making things better than the mandated one-size-fits-all regulated way of doing things.

This is in Florida, BTW. A few years back, when a hurricane hit the neighborhood, his was the only house without any major roof damage.

I have been building homes and commercial buildings for years and in that time I had a building inspector that is on the "International Code Board" he and I use to get into friendly arguments all the time, sometimes I won other times he did, what I am saying is sometimes you have to hold your ground and prove what you are doing.

re: #29 JamesTKirk

My brother-in-law (professional engineer) built his house; he had trouble meeting code because he was making things better than the mandated one-size-fits-all regulated way of doing things.

This is in Florida, BTW. A few years back, when a hurricane hit the neighborhood, his was the only house without any major roof damage.

I could imagine a small delay obtaining permits to do something differently, but overbuilding shouldn't ever be a problem.

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

Regarding the Amish and the building codes, they need to hire a lobbyist to point out how very Green they are being by not adding to the burdens of the electrical grid.

I wonder how the Amish vote? Serious question if any one knows?

re: #51 infidel4ever

Looks like McCain has completely gone over to the dark side. (no pun intended).

He has been for a long time.

People around here were just in denial because of a misguided need to only see the good (what little there was) about the designated GOP candidate.

It wasn't just the Dems who were drinking the kool-aid.

re: #52 Desert Dog

Add a little water with sugar to the tree and a little egg nog with brandy for yourself...the tree will look even better once that's done

sugar? Ok. I think we can do that. Thanks.

re: #29 JamesTKirk

I have a friend who is an engineer. They are looking to get some work done on their house. No one is willing to work for him. It is comical. His wife (bless her) told me, "We have money. We're willing to pay money. But Jim insists on meeting with them. If I could talk to them alone, I could get someone to want to work for us."

Yeah, he's one of those engineers.

"Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig. After an hour, you're dirty, tired, sweaty and miserable and realize that the pig is having the time of his life."

Maybe we'll get an open registration?

re: #10 solomonpanting

We had a small mosque here that had similar problems. They legally occupy a former ranch-style house on a major road. They submitted plans to the city for a big ol' minaret and got shot down (it would have been higher than any church in the city and would violate the height ordinance). Then they submitted expansion plans that were also rejected for various legal reasons. This time they just went ahead and built what they wanted anyway. They tried to get it grandfathered, but the city demanded they remove the improvements. It dragged on for nearly a year and the leader was threatened with jail before they finally complied a couple of weeks ago.

re: #15 MandyManners

Do the codes demand plans for electrical wiring?

Nah, the Amish watch TV in the dark.

Holy bat shit batman. Lions tied with Colts! 21-21

re: #61 Rancher

Maybe we'll get an open registration?

Not while you're here.

Sheesh.

re: #58 JamesTKirk

He has been for a long time.

People around here were just in denial because of a misguided need to only see the good (what little there was) about the designated GOP candidate.

It wasn't just the Dems who were drinking the kool-aid.

I was glad I did not have to vote! Hard to choose whether you want to jump in the fat or the frying pan...

re: #56 solomonpanting

I could imagine a small delay obtaining permits to do something differently, but overbuilding shouldn't ever be a problem.

It is if you get some by-the-book you-must-do-it-my-way I-love-exercising-power-over-other-people bureaucratic asshole.

re: #43 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

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Sobering, that.

So much more information, but, I suspect, so much less wisdom.

The best things in life...

The NY Jets are fixed to lose at home to the Bills?

re: #43 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Technology- Did you know? Check out this 5 minute video.

I've seen all three versions of that vid! I love it!

re: #62 doppelganglander

This time they just went ahead and built what they wanted anyway.

Many folks have done just that. The result is usually:
Government 1
Consumer 0

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

Regarding the Amish and the building codes, they need to hire a lobbyist to point out how very Green they are being by not adding to the burdens of the electrical grid.

*sigh* If only that was really outside the realm of possibility.

Our moonbat brethren and sistren want us all to live like the Amish (except for the monagamy and other dumb crap). I can prove it too, 'cause they have made Another B Movie Environmental Cautionary Tale:

[Link: www.google.com...]

Last Year's B Movie Environmental Cautionary Tale
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Year-Before-Year-Before-Last's Environmental Cautionary Tale
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

And now, a song.

re: #43 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Technology- Did you know? Check out this 5 minute video.

Very cool...but in a way, scary...things go fast now, don't they?

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a friend who is an engineer. They are looking to get some work done on their house. No one is willing to work for him. It is comical. His wife (bless her) told me, "We have money. We're willing to pay money. But Jim insists on meeting with them. If I could talk to them alone, I could get someone to want to work for us."

Yeah, he's one of those engineers.

"Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig. After an hour, you're dirty, tired, sweaty and miserable and realize that the pig is having the time of his life."

You have my email it's in blue, I will do it. I once build a house for a couple, the husband worked for OSHA and the wife worked for the IRS.

Britain's Brown offers Pakistan help against militants

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Now why didn't anyone else every think of that? This guy Brown is jerk! How did a civilized country like Great Britian ever elect...oh...us...nevermind.

re: #10 solomonpanting

Building codes should be voluntary. If a man wants to live in an unsafe, tumble-down shack, that should his right.

Building codes are pure socialism, in that they place the "interests of society" over the interests of the property owner.

Pa-tooie!

Maybe it's just me , but let"s declare the NCAA regular season over & go right to March Madness. I want to do by brackets!

re: #79 snopercod

Building codes should be voluntary. If a man wants to live in an unsafe, tumble-down shack, that should his right.

Building codes are pure socialism, in that they place the "interests of society" over the interests of the property owner.

Pa-tooie!

When was the last time a homeless family in a cardboard box was cited for a building code violation?

re: #62 doppelganglander

We had a small mosque here that had similar problems. They legally occupy a former ranch-style house on a major road. They submitted plans to the city for a big ol' minaret and got shot down (it would have been higher than any church in the city and would violate the height ordinance). Then they submitted expansion plans that were also rejected for various legal reasons. This time they just went ahead and built what they wanted anyway. They tried to get it grandfathered, but the city demanded they remove the improvements. It dragged on for nearly a year and the leader was threatened with jail before they finally complied a couple of weeks ago.

As a Zoning Board member I would not look kindly toward that.

I posted a link to the arson of Sara Palin's church, but it's scrolled off the "most recent". Drudge has it up.

re: #57 Nevergiveup

I wonder how the Amish vote? Serious question if any one knows?

They don't. We have Amish around here, and we got into a conversation with a few of them in a local diner.

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Video: Hamas Loyalist Dressed As Gilad Schalit Paraded On Stage At Hamas Rally In Gaza Attended By Thousands

what vile people

re: #68 JamesTKirk

It is if you get some by-the-book you-must-do-it-my-way I-love-exercising-power-over-other-people bureaucratic asshole.

I had to show a building official at the planning department that bolting a metal saddle for a patio cover beam to a stucco wall with studs behind it would hold just as well as removing the stucco first and bolting to the stud. He finally relented.

BBL-off to lunch.

re: #81 JamesTKirk

LOL! Good point. Hey buddy, that shopping cart is double parked!

When you get right down to it, the only reason for a building permit is to get you on the property tax rolls.

re: #82 BBev

As a Zoning Board member I would not look kindly toward that.

Hell I would make them take it down. There is a saying in the construction biz. "I would rather beg forgiveness then to get approval"

re: #45 JamesTKirk

I would say "Deploy the nude bomb" (Get Smart), but the idiots who voluntarily march nude are bad enough...

I vote for the Bacon Bits Bomb.

re: #84 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

They don't. We have Amish around here, and we got into a conversation with a few of them in a local diner.

Why not? They are eligible to vote? I presume they would vote conservative?

re: #43 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Technology- Did you know? Check out this 5 minute video.

Rocks me every time I see it. Thanks for posting it. Been a while and good to see the update.

re: #89 stuiec

I vote for the Bacon Bits Bomb.

As long as you use real bacon bits, not those imitation bits of gravel.

re: #92 JamesTKirk

but...but...but...bacon flavored gravel is good.

While browsing the comments a dialog box appeared to upgrade my Microsoft Word for my Mac. This upgrade came directly from Microsoft, usually the updates come from Mac and there are a series of them. Was this a legit update?
I installed it, so please tell me it was ok.

Microsoft Word 2004 for Mac
Version 11.5.0

Would appreciate your comments. Thanks.

re: #90 Nevergiveup

Why not? They are eligible to vote? I presume they would vote conservative?

Since democracy is not a recent innovation, I can't imagine that it would be a gross violation of their religion. Of course, if they did vote, and voted overwhelmingly conservation, then you can bet that the PA Democratic party would make sure that all of the polling places in their area had Diebold electronic machines that the Amish would refuse to touch...

Indy is ahead of Detroit now. 28-21

re: #30 Salem

Oh, for-...

McCain scolds GOP for whacking Obama

In a surprising rebuke to the warriors who fought for him through tough times, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Sunday sided with President-elect Barack Obama and scolded the Republican National Committee for fanning the Illinois corruption scandal.

On ABC’s “This Week,” host George Stephanopoulos asked: “The chairman of the Republican National Committee, Mike Duncan, has been highly critical of the way President- elect Obama has dealt with this.
"He's had a statement every single day, saying that the Obama team should reveal all contacts they've had with Governor [Rod] Blagojevich. He says that Obama's promise of transparency to the American people is now being tested. Do you agree with that?”

McCain replied: “I think that the Obama campaign should and will give all information necessary. You know, in all due respect to the Republican National Committee and anybody — right now, I think we should try to be working constructively together, not only on an issue such as this, but on the economy stimulus package, reforms that are necessary. And so, I don't know all the details of the relationship between President-elect Obama's campaign or his people and the governor of Illinois, but I have some confidence that all the information will come out. It always does, it seems to me.”
Just this morning, the Republican National Committee released a Web video called “Questions Remain.”

“The video highlights the evolving explanations delivered by President-elect Obama and his advisers concerning their contact with the embattled and scandal-plagued Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich despite Obama’s promises to instill greater transparency and confidence in government,” the party’s announcement said.

McCain is 2/3 a Democrat. Why is anyone surprised?

re: #84 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

They don't. We have Amish around here, and we got into a conversation with a few of them in a local diner.

Gentle people, but poor dietary habits. They love pie & it is not unusual for an Amish man to consume an entire pie by himself.

re: #98 opnion

I like pie.

re: #92 JamesTKirk

As long as you use real bacon bits, not those imitation bits of gravel.

No, no, no -- that would be the Bac-os Bomb.

I mean, tiny bits of real smoky pork goodness.

re: #94 So?

While browsing the comments a dialog box appeared to upgrade my Microsoft Word for my Mac. This upgrade came directly from Microsoft, usually the updates come from Mac and there are a series of them. Was this a legit update?
I installed it, so please tell me it was ok.

Microsoft Word 2004 for Mac
Version 11.5.0

Would appreciate your comments. Thanks.

Not so sure about that. For word and Microsoft Office, the updates come from Microsoft they just look differant than window updates. I usually get those notices when I need to open word and thenthey pop up.

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

but...but...but...bacon flavored gravel is good.

Maybe yes, maybe no; but it's not going to be much of a splodey-dope deterrent.

If I'm going to have imitation bacon flavor, it'll be Bacon Salt. Guaranteed vegan and kosher-certified, because "everybody should be able to enjoy the taste of bacon!"

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like i (sq rt of -1)

re: #90 Nevergiveup

Why not? They are eligible to vote? I presume they would vote conservative?

Because they don't want to get involved in our "modern" politics anymore than they do our way of life. They have a council of elders who are the closest thing they have to any type of government.

re: #98 opnion

it is not unusual for an Amish man to consume an entire pie by himself.

That is wrong, why?

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like pie.

As Porky Pine once said, "It's my favorite vitamin. Cures warts and all."

re: #98 opnion

Gentle people, but poor dietary habits. They love pie & it is not unusual for an Amish man to consume an entire pie by himself.

I can't put my finger on why, exactly, but that completely cracked me up. Hit me just right.

re: #97 songbird

McCain is 2/3 a Democrat. Why is anyone surprised?

Because they drank the kool-aid when McCain cinched the GOP nomination with the help of his Democratic friends.

re: #101 Nevergiveup

Not so sure about that. For word and Microsoft Office, the updates come from Microsoft they just look differant than window updates. I usually get those notices when I need to open word and thenthey pop up.

Do you think I could have just installed a "worm"? Why did this update appear while I was browsing the comments on this thread. Feeling uneasy.

Jets just lucked out. Buffalo fumbles as they were running out the clock.

"Parowan Prophet" predicts nuclear disaster before Obama takes office

After establishing his bona fides as an international talk radio guest and proprietor of a survivalist website that has "passed more than 100,000 hits," [Leland] Freeborn wrote:

"I think that you should hear what my opinion about the Obama election is: that he will not be the next president. I said on my home page in August that if he lost to expect to see the 'riots' that 2 Peter 2:13 tells us about. He didn't lose. But the story is not finished yet. I still think they may begin the riots before Christmas 2008, as I said."

These riots, according to his prophecy, will encourage the "old, hard-line Soviet guard" to seize the moment and rain down nukes on the United States, killing at least 100 million of us.

"Prepare now," Freeborn's letter concluded. "We are downwind from Las Vegas. I hope you can survive."

Um, OK.

re: #109 So?

Do you think I could have just installed a "worm"? Why did this update appear while I was browsing the comments on this thread. Feeling uneasy.

? Not sure about that. But I have macs and I never saw anything like that?

re: #112 Nevergiveup

? Not sure about that. But I have macs and I never saw anything like that?

uh-oh...anybody else have an idea?

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like pie.

The kind that'd make a grown man cry?

re: #114 So?

uh-oh...anybody else have an idea?

Is your computer acting normal?

re: #104 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Because they don't want to get involved in our "modern" politics anymore than they do our way of life. They have a council of elders who are the closest thing they have to any type of government.

I still get a weird feeling seeing their horse-drawn buggies rolling down the road, about what it must be like to live that way, especially for the children. But we were told that when the children turn 18, they are allowed to go out into the "real world" and see for themselves if they'd like to live in it.
Most opt to return to the Amish way of life.

re: #44 Spider Mensch

Just finished up trimming this years Christmas tree. Looks good. Whats a good add to the water for keeping the tree fresh.?I bought it at the town fire dept as a charity type donation, but the tree is a bit dry. don't want it drying out too prematurely. And we did trim the trunk for a fresh cut.

glycerine

re: #30 Salem

McCain scolds GOP for whacking Obama

I ever wanted to vote for him and I told him so when he was here in New Hampshire! But I did :-q

re: #97 songbird

McCain is 2/3 a Democrat. Why is anyone surprised?

McCain should really stop doing the talk show circuit & late night programs & just go away.
His campaign was like a bad joke. I am sick of the clenched teeth smile & two thumbs up , My friends & the maverick bullshit.
He is trying to worm his way back into Democrat good graces & why not? I don't think that I ever saw a better loser.

re: #114 So?

uh-oh...anybody else have an idea?

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re: #120 opnion

McCain should really stop doing the talk show circuit & late night programs & just go away.
His campaign was like a bad joke. I am sick of the clenched teeth smile & two thumbs up , My friends & the maverick bullshit.
He is trying to worm his way back into Democrat good graces & why not? I don't think that I ever saw a better loser.

I was really hoping that after he got elected we'd heard the last of "my friends."

re: #119 BBev

pimf/ ever= never

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like pie.

It's just liquid cake

re: #116 Nevergiveup

Is your computer acting normal?

Yup. Email fine. Browser works fine. I don't know.

re: #111 Fat Jolly Penguin

"Parowan Prophet" predicts nuclear disaster before Obama takes office

Um, OK.

He predicted one for 12/21/05.

re: #117 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I would imagine that the "real world" is a bit frightening. Dated an erstwhile Amish girl once...

whoa.

re: #126 MandyManners

I was just about to post that. Looks like we have another nutbar supreme.

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would imagine that the "real world" is a bit frightening. Dated an erstwhile Amish girl once...

whoa.

And I dated a flaming liberal. She had no connection to the real world either.

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would imagine that the "real world" is a bit frightening. Dated an erstwhile Amish girl once...

whoa.

And And? Detail?

re: #108 JamesTKirk

Because they drank the kool-aid when McCain cinched the GOP nomination with the help of his Democratic friends.

I'm hoping for a real Republican next time, but with the party in disarray will they get it together before the next presidential primaries?

We are desperate for reform in the way we nominate our candidates! And is there any way to limit the length of the primaries, to limit the amount of money spent, and , above all, to have the primaries all on the same day for crying out loud?

re: #19 Killgore Trout

I like Oregon but I wasn't much impressed with Idaho.

Then you just didn't get it! :op

re: #121 Bobibutu

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re: #130 Nevergiveup

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would imagine that the "real world" is a bit frightening. Dated an erstwhile Amish girl once...

whoa.

And And? Detail?

Did you get to see her ankles?

re: #120 opnion

McCain should really stop doing the talk show circuit & late night programs & just go away.
His campaign was like a bad joke. I am sick of the clenched teeth smile & two thumbs up , My friends & the maverick bullshit.
He is trying to worm his way back into Democrat good graces & why not? I don't think that I ever saw a better loser.

McCain reminds me of a guy that hits his head with a hammer over and over and then complains about a headache. In all the years he "reached across the aisle" to work the dems...they never miss a chance to knock him, embarrass him, or oppose him. They are all happy to deal with you, just as long as it's going to where they want...if it's the reverse, forget it...all of the good graces and brownie points you thought you had with them do not count. It's a one way street and McCain is too stubborn or too stupid to notice.

re: #135 Desert Dog

McCain reminds me of a guy that hits his head with a hammer over and over and then complains about a headache. In all the years he "reached across the aisle" to work the dems...they never miss a chance to knock him, embarrass him, or oppose him. They are all happy to deal with you, just as long as it's going to where they want...if it's the reverse, forget it...all of the good graces and brownie points you thought you had with them do not count. It's a one way street and McCain is too stubborn or too stupid to notice.

The only time a Republican should "reach across the aisle" is to slap a liberal.

re: #136 gclaghorn

The only time a Republican should "reach across the aisle" is to slap a liberal.

Infinite updings.

re: #126 MandyManners

He predicted one for 12/21/05.

I think I will keep the generator in the back of my truck for weight, ya that's it. I need it there for traction. Sounds good to me.

re: #41 solomonpanting

You wouldn't get away with that anywhere, much as you might like to use alternative methods. There are minimum requirements for outlets per x amount of square feet. Why should one group be exempted?

That is the conundrum for me. On one hand, you have this quiet, private group of people who has always lived a certain way, peaceful, harming no one, and up until very recently, they have been allowed to live like that, with really no problems.
The epitome of American freedom.
Then you have the realities of every day, laws that apply to everyone. It is a tough question, as I think the law should apply equally, but OTOH, these folks have happily and freely lived like this for centuries, and have harmed or bothered no one doing so. As the article pointed out, you do not hear of Amish buildings falling down, quite the contrary, they are extraordinarily well crafted.
I do not think you should be required to have electricity if you do not want it in your home, same with running water. If you do want it, then by all means follow the codes and standards.

re: #133 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But will it FIX ANY PROBLEMS for free? Thay's the problem with most of these "free" scans. If they are legit (and a lot are scams), they want you to pay to fix them.

Yes - free scan and FIX. Housecall has been around for years.

re: #124 Shug

Love Gaffigan!

Gonna Fly Now. Buh-bye.

re: #121 Bobibutu

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re: #140 Bobibutu

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Thanks. I'll check it out.

re: #39 Desert Dog

Hasn't the gay bomb been discontinued?

re: #143 So?

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I use Safari and it mentions Firefox or later

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I use Leopard.

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It should be ok

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like pie.

Not healthy enough. I prefer a big bag of kettle fried potato chips & a six pack of beer, but then I am a health nut.

re: #136 gclaghorn

Or make a grab for his nonexistent testes? (It hurts!)

re: #147 opnion

Not healthy enough. I prefer a big bag of kettle fried potato chips & a six pack of beer, but then I am a health nut.

Ah, watching what you eat, I see.

re: #146 Nevergiveup

It should be ok

THANKS...will give it a shot.

/I'm "So" computer savvy

re: #30 Salem

McCain can never pass up an opportunity to stab his supporters in the back, and to confirm the fact that choosing him as the Republican nominee was a huge mistake.

re: #145 davinvalkri

Hasn't the gay bomb been discontinued?

Yes, I believe it was banned in the "Ridiculous Weapons Treaty of 2005", along with the Tickling Missile and the Farting Torpedo

re: #136 gclaghorn

The only time a Republican should "reach across the aisle" is to slap a liberal.

Where do we find such Republicans?

re: #140 Bobibutu

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re: #154 quercus albus

Where do we find such Republicans?

Not in New York or Massachusetts.

re: #153 Desert Dog

Yes, I believe it was banned in the "Ridiculous Weapons Treaty of 2005", along with the Tickling Missile and the Farting Torpedo

Where does that leave the "Comfy Chair"?

re: #156 gclaghorn

Not in New York or Massachusetts.

Or Arizona apparently?

re: #153 Desert Dog

I'd like to see a "tickle missile"--maybe chemical warfare with Laughing Gas! Wait, isn't large amounts of the stuff lethal? No matter--the terrorists can die laughing!

re: #126 MandyManners

He predicted one for 12/21/05.

Now where did I put my tin-foil hat?

re: #154 quercus albus

Where do we find such Republicans?

They live all across the country. They just don't have the money to run for Congress, and have families to support.

re: #135 Desert Dog

McCain reminds me of a guy that hits his head with a hammer over and over and then complains about a headache. In all the years he "reached across the aisle" to work the dems...they never miss a chance to knock him, embarrass him, or oppose him. They are all happy to deal with you, just as long as it's going to where they want...if it's the reverse, forget it...all of the good graces and brownie points you thought you had with them do not count. It's a one way street and McCain is too stubborn or too stupid to notice.

The Maverick crap got so old. As I understand it a maverick is like a lone wolf , it doesn't join the other herd to trash it's own herd.
McCain will return to the Senate & be well recieved by his "Dear Friends" Democrats. For God sake , he damn near endorsed Obama during the campaign.

re: #149 gclaghorn

Ah, watching what you eat, I see.

Exactly, ya just can't be to careful.

re: #152 Silas

McCain can never pass up an opportunity to stab his supporters in the back, and to confirm the fact that choosing him as the Republican nominee was a huge mistake.

One thing that is confirmed: The Republicans will never win if they give us people like him.

re: #143 So?

Thanks but it says the following:
Macintosh support requires the following minimum system components:
Macintosh Computer with PowerPC G4 or G5 Processor
MAC OS X 10.4 (Tiger)

I have a Macbook Pro
OS X 10.5.5

will it work?

I use Safari and it mentions Firefox or later

No mention of "or later" for MAC OS X 10.4 (Tiger)

I use Leopard.

confused... but thanks!

Yes - using Firefox. I have the Pro and 10.5.5

re: #156 gclaghorn

Not in New York or Massachusetts.

There seem to be plenty of Republican in at least Massachusetts, but appear to have no one to rally them. Most of my kin are in that state and they are all Republicans as are most of their friends. They are severely fragmented.

They keep electing Republican governors.

Bengals win. Redskins lose.

re: #165 legalpad

One thing that is confirmed: The Republicans will never win if they give us people like him.

Need to shut down the open primaries.

re: #155 Bobibutu

I noticed MS Hotmail uses TrendMicro to scan email for viruses.

re: #147 opnion

Not healthy enough. I prefer a big bag of kettle fried potato chips & a six pack of beer, but then I am a health nut.

I have gone with "Montepulciano D'Abruzzo" what you don't drink you cook with, Man I have been drinking beer for weeks and needed a Change

re: #167 Outrider

There seem to be plenty of Republican in at least Massachusetts, but appear to have no one to rally them. Most of my kin are in that state and they are all Republicans as are most of their friends. They are severely fragmented.

They keep electing Republican governors.

My beef is with elected officials, like Deval Patrick, John Kerry, and Ted Kennedy.

re: #169 opnion

Need to shut down the open primaries.

Letting the Dems choose ours for us is teh shit.

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bengals win. Redskins lose.

Friggin' unbelievable. Those idiot, terrible Eagles are gonna backslide into the playoffs, and everyone in my town will think they're good enough to NOT make any off-season changes. Aarrgh!

re: #30 Salem

Oh, for-...

McCain scolds GOP for whacking Obama

In a surprising rebuke to the warriors who fought for him through tough times, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Sunday sided with President-elect Barack Obama and scolded the Republican National Committee for fanning the Illinois corruption scandal.

On ABC’s “This Week,” host George Stephanopoulos asked: “The chairman of the Republican National Committee, Mike Duncan, has been highly critical of the way President- elect Obama has dealt with this.
"He's had a statement every single day, saying that the Obama team should reveal all contacts they've had with Governor [Rod] Blagojevich. He says that Obama's promise of transparency to the American people is now being tested. Do you agree with that?”

McCain replied: “I think that the Obama campaign should and will give all information necessary. You know, in all due respect to the Republican National Committee and anybody — right now, I think we should try to be working constructively together, not only on an issue such as this, but on the economy stimulus package, reforms that are necessary. And so, I don't know all the details of the relationship between President-elect Obama's campaign or his people and the governor of Illinois, but I have some confidence that all the information will come out. It always does, it seems to me.”
Just this morning, the Republican National Committee released a Web video called “Questions Remain.”

“The video highlights the evolving explanations delivered by President-elect Obama and his advisers concerning their contact with the embattled and scandal-plagued Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich despite Obama’s promises to instill greater transparency and confidence in government,” the party’s announcement said.

this is exactly why he lost.

Is it just me, or do the Chargers really really suck?

re: #175 nyc redneck

this is exactly why he lost.

We Lost!

re: #172 gclaghorn

My beef is with elected officials, like Deval Patrick, John Kerry, and Ted Kennedy.

Damn. Lot of raw material to have a beef with there. And in Kennedy's' case, I mean a ~lot~.

re: #152 Silas

McCain can never pass up an opportunity to stab his supporters in the back, and to confirm the fact that choosing him as the Republican nominee was a huge mistake.

How true and an Upding for that.

re: #176 Zombie_Killian

Is it just me, or do the Chargers really really suck?

Yeah, but they beat the Jets

re: #176 Zombie_Killian

Well, they were very talented in getting rid of Marty.

That didn't make much sense to me.

re: #178 Outrider

Damn. Lot of raw material to have a beef with there. And in Kennedy's' case, I mean a ~lot~.

So much raw material that it almost makes one want to drive off a bridge into Boston harbor.

/

re: #176 Zombie_Killian

Is it just me, or do the Chargers really really suck?

It's not you. Luckily, I am a Broncos fan! :)

WTF is going on in Greece?

(Charles, have you had a Greece thread so the lizards-in-the-know can bring the zoned out lizards up to speed?)

re: #173 Syrah

Letting the Dems choose ours for us is teh shit.

And that's what happened. They did not want to run against Romney, so they gave us McCain.

re: #176 Zombie_Killian

Is it just me, or do the Chargers really really suck?

Chargers just scored, down 21-16, going for 2 with 1:13 left.

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I noticed MS Hotmail uses TrendMicro to scan email for viruses.

I'm not surprised. Even MS can get something right now and then.

/

re: #187 Bobibutu

I'm not surprised. Even MS can get something right now and then.

/

A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

re: #183 Wyatt Earp

It's not you. Luckily, I am a Broncos fan! :)

Which team will show up today? I hope the one that likes to win.

re: #182 gclaghorn

So much raw material that it almost makes one want to drive off a bridge into Boston harbor.

/

Or a person could at least drive off of the Dike Bridge into Poucha Pond between Chappaquiddick Island and Cape Poge barrier beach.

re: #186 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Kansas City going for two was what saved the Chargers bacon the last time the two met...

re: #188 gclaghorn

A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

Ah you are close to decoding my nic.

re: #189 Desert Dog

Which team will show up today? I hope the one that likes to win.

Isn't it infuriating? They're like the Eagles this year! Jekyll and Hyde.

re: #43 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Technology- Did you know? Check out this 5 minute video.

A great argument for the Vingean view of the Singularity. We are already in it and don't realize it.

re: #191 Zombie_Killian

Kansas City going for two was what saved the Chargers bacon the last time the two met...

And that was a terrible call by Herm Edwards. He should have gone for the tie and O/T.

re: #193 Wyatt Earp

Isn't it infuriating? They're like the Eagles this year! Jekyll and Hyde.

They tend to play to the level of their opponents this year...so, hopefully, they'll bring the "A" game today...not the ones they save for the Raiders or KC

re: #177 Nevergiveup

We Lost!

many of us did the best we could.
we can't say that abt. him.

re: #185 opnion

And that's what happened. They did not want to run against Romney, so they gave us McCain.

Yep.

Open Primaries are an obscene farce.

re: #180 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but they beat the Jets

Ha! The 49'ers beat the J-E-T-S. HA HA HA HA.

re: #98 opnion

Gentle people, but poor dietary habits. They love pie & it is not unusual for an Amish man to consume an entire pie by himself.

Amish community immmune to heart disease.

re: #196 Desert Dog

They tend to play to the level of their opponents this year...so, hopefully, they'll bring the "A" game today...not the ones they save for the Raiders or KC

I wanted to put a fist through my wall after the Oakland game. Didn't help that my 7-year old was laughing the entire time. Kid's a Raiders fan. He must not be mine.

re: #198 Syrah

Yep.

Open Primaries are an obscene farce.

What the hell is the reason for having open primaries? I don't see what good can ever come out of it.

Chargers recovered the onside kick!

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

And they don't have to worry about brain cancer from cell phones, either.

But they do have to worry about drive-bys:

Clop, clop, BANG! Clop, clop, BANG!

Chargers- 1:11 on the clock. 3 T/O's with the ball at their 39 yd line.

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

And they don't have to worry about brain cancer from cell phones, either.

And what is the AIDS count amongst them?

re: #192 Bobibutu

Ah you are close to decoding my nic.

Or I could share more genius wisdom:

Confucius say, "Man who farts in church sits in his own pew."

re: #199 debutaunt

Ha! The 49'ers beat the J-E-T-S. HA HA HA HA.

I thought J-E-T-S stood for Just End The Season.

I've always pitied a fanbase who considers their greatest achievement spelling their four-letter monosyllabic team name in unison. Cripes- at least Denvar had that guy in the barrell.

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

And they don't have to worry about brain cancer from cell phones, either.

If you could get brain cancer from cell phones, my daughter would be dead already.

re: #205 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Chargers- 1:11 on the clock. 3 T/O's with the ball at their 39 yd line.

Rivers to Jackson down to the Chiefs 19!

re: #208 Zombie_Killian

I thought J-E-T-S stood for Just End The Season.

I've always pitied a fanbase who considers their greatest achievement spelling their four-letter monosyllabic team name in unison. Cripes- at least Denvar had that guy in the barrell.

Do the Jets have cheerleadeers? The stinkin' Giants don't.

re: #201 Wyatt Earp

I wanted to put a fist through my wall after the Oakland game. Didn't help that my 7-year old was laughing the entire time. Kid's a Raiders fan. He must not be mine.

If one of my kids became a Raider fan, they would be living outside. They all know the Raiders are the enemy.

I grew up in Denver when Broncomania was a Religion. Now, I get the Cardinals down here. They are doing much better this year though...we'll see. They just let a punt return go for a TD for Minnesota

re: #204 Wyatt Earp

More like "clop clop bang tear load tamp tamp cock clop clop bang tear load tamp tamp..."
(Pathetic attempts at black powder loading sfx...)

re: #200 Alouette

Amish community immmune to heart disease.

Interesting. Also very few ever get injured by household electric instruments.

re: #208 Zombie_Killian

I thought J-E-T-S stood for Just End The Season.

I've always pitied a fanbase who considers their greatest achievement spelling their four-letter monosyllabic team name in unison. Cripes- at least Denvar had that guy in the barrell.

J-E-T-S, SPEL SPEL SPEL!

re: #213 Desert Dog

If one of my kids became a Raider fan, they would be living outside. They all know the Raiders are the enemy.

I grew up in Denver when Broncomania was a Religion. Now, I get the Cardinals down here. They are doing much better this year though...we'll see. They just let a punt return go for a TD for Minnesota

My 7-year old likes to root against my teams. In every sport. Infuriating. He is a Cowboys fan, though, and I allow that, because my mother is one of those militant Eagles fans that annoy me so. She thought throwing snowballs at Santa was "too tame."

re: #217 Wyatt Earp

My 7-year old likes to root against my teams. In every sport. Infuriating. He is a Cowboys fan, though, and I allow that, because my mother is one of those militant Eagles fans that annoy me so. She thought throwing snowballs at Santa was "too tame."

He didn't bring any presents!

TD Chargers! 22-21!

re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

TD Chargers! 22-21!

Quoth the Broncos fan: God dammit.

re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

TD Chargers! 22-21!

:36 seconds left, KC will get the ball back with no timeouts.

re: #203 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What the hell is the reason for having open primaries? I don't see what good can ever come out of it.

Chargers recovered the onside kick!

There are several reasons, the two primary being a desire for "moderation" and for the ability of a voter to pretend that they vote for the candidate not the party.

Tom Campbell, (may spit forever fall upon him), pushed for the open primary in California specifically to break the conservative (Reagan) Republic hold on the party. I was there when he started that. I fought against him and that abortion. It was ugly.

Here in Washington, where they already had an open primary, voters supported it because they liked to be able to refuse to explicitly side with one party or the other. I would be OK with the Washington model if that meant that the Party could select its nominees with out it going to any kind of public vote.

Open Primaries are an abomination to Party politics.

I would like to be on record as saying the Chargers still suck.

KC has the ball at their 45. Why the hell SD squibb kicked it and gave KC a short field to work from I'll never figure out.

Why isn’t Detroit a Paradise? (1/2)

One really has to ask the obvious question: If Obama’s economic policies work so well, why isn’t Detroit a paradise?

In 1950, America produced 51% of the GNP for the entire world. Of that production, roughly 70% took place in the eight states surrounding the Great Lakes: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York.

The productive capability of this small area of earth staggers the imagination. Virtually everything that rebuilt the industrial bases of Europe and Japan came from those eight states. Cars, planes, electronics, machine tools, consumer goods, generators, concrete - any conceivable item manufactured by industrial humanity poured out this tiny region and enriched the world. The region shone with widespread prosperity. People migrated from the South and West to work in these Herculean engines of industry.

The wealth, power and economic dominance of the region at the time cannot be overstated. Nothing like it has existed in human history.

Yet, a mere 30 years later, by 1980, we called that area the “rustbelt” and it became synonymous with joblessness, collapsing cities, high crime, failing schools and general hopelessness.

What the hell happened?

Obama happened.

Of course, not Obama personally but rather the same ideas that Obama espouses. What those ideas did to the Great Lakes states, they can do to the entire country.

What did they do wrong?

First, unions: Without any serious economic competition, unions could force virtually any salary, benefits and pensions they wished from manufactures. Worse, however, they could set work rules and conditions, effectively dictating the organization of a business and what technology, processes and methods it used. Since increasing productivity, by definition, means doing more work with fewer people, unions froze companies into the methods used in the mid-1950s and refused to let them adapt. Companies rode high for over 15 years, but by the late ’60s they faced increasing competition and needed to change and adapt. The unions blocked this.

In the end, however, strong widespread unions turned out for workers to be merely a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Unions got workers in factories better wages, but the people who built the workers’ houses, cars, consumer goods and stocked their groceries also had strong unions and the price of everything went up. Strong public-sector unions kept taxes high and public productivity low, so workers’ taxes went up. By the time they paid all the increased cost of union labor in everything they consumed, the unions gave them little if any real increases in income.

re: #224 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

KC has the ball at their 45. Why the hell SD squibb kicked it and gave KC a short field to work from I'll never figure out.

Don't worry, the Chargers will win it. God hates me.

Why isn’t Detroit a Paradise? (2/2)

Second, invasive government: People who grew up during the New Deal and WWII believed that government could solve almost any problem, and they supported high taxes so that government could fix society. Unfortunately, the supposed benefits of an expansive state, good schools, solid public infrastructure, low crime, etc. failed to materialize while zoning and land-use restrictions drove up housing cost and taxes and crime destroyed small businesses. Strong public-sector unions blocked tax cuts and reforms that could have saved them.

By the early ’70s the states that once served as the industrial engine for the entire planet began to fall apart. Then came double-digit inflation and the energy crisis (both caused by leftist policies). By 1980, the industrial heartland of America lay in virtual ruins. People called it the “rustbelt” in analogy to the “dustbowl” of the Great Depressions. Even today, nearly 30 years later, the region lags behind the rest of the country in job creation and is steadily losing population to internal migration.

It can happen just that fast. A worker who entered the factories in 1950 at the age of 25 saw 20 good years before things looked bad. At 45 he saw repeated layoffs, and by 55 he was out of a job and his children had little hope of finding one.

Obama clearly plans to try to extend the rustbelt model to the rest of the country. “Card check” will let unions use intimidation to control workers. High taxes on capital gains will slow investment. Environmental regulation will starve workplaces of electricity and mandate inefficient modes of production. Great new bureaucracies will arise to restrain the freedom and creativity of the people.

Obama has no concept of business as a creative and experimental endeavor. On some deep unconscious level, he assumes that material wealth is something akin to a natural phenomenon for which no group of humans can take credit. Therefore, he sees distribution as the only serious economic issue and ignores how politics interferes with the actual process of wealth creation.

We may soon be living in a repeat of ’70s and looking back at the years 1984-2007 as a golden era.

KC missed a 50 FG with 2 seconds left, San Diego wins.

re: #228 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

KC missed a 50 FG with 2 seconds left, San Diego wins.

Son. Of. A. Beyotch.

Grabbing my service weapon as we speak . . .

re: #157 buzzsawmonkey

Do not forget that the abomination of "open primaries" which permitted crossover voting by "independents" and Democrats is in large part responsible for McCain being chosen.

No party should be stupid enough to permit non-party members to vote when it is choosing its standard-bearer.

True and why doesn’t the Republican leadership see the folly in having open primaries?

re: #222 Syrah

That's how we ended up with the two weakest candidates running for the Presidency of the USA during a time fraught with danger. Brilliant.

You know it should be really easy to reinstall printer software, just run the installation disc after an uninstall.

/hours later . . . making negative progress

re: #231 debutaunt

That's how we ended up with the two weakest candidates running for the Presidency of the USA during a time fraught with danger. Brilliant.

True enough.

The open primaries must be put down.

Open Primaries Delenda Est!

A little crass, but this is the funniest thing I have seen in weeks!

eHarmony FAIL

re: #233 Syrah

True enough.

The open primaries must be put down.

Open Primaries Delenda Est!

High five and a chant of USA USA USA!

re: #232 Killian Bundy

Hey Killian? I'm am not laughing at you, I am laughing near you.

That post hit me very funny. Thanks.

Gotta run y'all. (well, walk)...

Later

re: #229 Wyatt Earp

Easy, now, it's only a football game!

Since the race between Hillary and Obama was so close, I wouldn't have thought there would have been that many Democrats voting in the Republican primaries.

re: #231 debutaunt

That's how we ended up with the two weakest candidates running for the Presidency of the USA during a time fraught with danger. Brilliant.

Yeah & that was our problem. Obama was the lesser of two lessers .
I thought that McCain should have seemed more disappointed when he lost. He would have been no bargain , but Obama may do real damage.

re: #237 davinvalkri

Easy, now, it's only a football game!

Sorry. A little miffed. :)

re: #239 opnion

Yeah & that was our problem. Obama was the lesser of two lessers .
I thought that McCain should have seemed more disappointed when he lost. He would have been no bargain , but Obama may do real damage.

I agree, but the choices were not the best the US has to offer. Putting up our weakest is insanity.

re: #241 debutaunt

I agree, but the choices were not the best the US has to offer. Putting up our weakest is insanity.

The MSM really had a lot of influence this time. They wanted an Obama/McCain contest & they had a huge influence on Independents.

re: #13 gregg

The forecast calls for a high temperature of -5 °F in Saint Paul/Minneapolis tomorrow.

Could be worse...could be windy!

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Has anyone else wondered where the Secret Service was when that reporter threw his shoes at President Bush?

Really gotta get moving, but this is absolutely hysterical!

Good afternoon.

I see the Detroit Lions remain with a perfect record, now being 0 - 14.

Again, I really feel bad for the Lions fans.

Look at it this way, drafting as early as the Lions will next spring you can't help but get better.

re: #232 Killian Bundy

You know it should be really easy to reinstall printer software, just run the installation disc after an uninstall.

/hours later . . . making negative progress

SHOOT YER PRINTER.

Also, why can't John McCain just keep his mouth shut?

re: #244 Bobblehead

Has anyone else wondered where the Secret Service was when that reporter threw his shoes at President Bush?

Previous thread.

re: #244 Bobblehead

Has anyone else wondered where the Secret Service was when that reporter threw his shoes at President Bush?

Bush was cool under fire and prevented an even bigger incident by waving off his lead Secret Service agent, who was prepared to extract him from the room.

Video shows the president's lead agent rushing to the podium, but the president immediately and subtly motions to him that it's OK. The agent backs off.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

re: #248 Bobblehead

Also, why can't John McCain just keep his mouth shut?

Because my friends, he's a maverick(clenched teeth smile & two thumbs up)

Luisa?

re: #247 MandyManners

SHOOT YER PRINTER.

/printer works fine, it's the installation software that's suddenly decided to throw a fit

re: #244 Bobblehead

Has anyone else wondered where the Secret Service was when that reporter threw his shoes at President Bush?

Oh sure, it's funny now but what about when the old folks from Sunnyside Rest Home in Macon, Georgia start throwing their false teeth at Obama when he sacrifices Medicare and Medicaid for his new national healthcare?!

/ : )

re: #254 Killian Bundy

/printer works fine, it's the installation software that's suddenly decided to throw a fit

Picky. Picky. Picky.

Falcons managed to survive the Bucs, I see.