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Nirther Lawsuit Bites the Dust

US News | Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:33:50 am PST

And in other conspiracy theory news, the Supreme Court has rejected another lawsuit from the “Nirth Certifikit” crowd: Supreme Court rejects appeal questioning Obama’s citizenship.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Supreme Court has dismissed a second emergency appeal questioning Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president because he had dual British-American citizenship at birth.

The justices without comment on Monday refused to intervene in the November 4 presidential election, dismissing the claims of Cort Wrotnowski, a resident of Greenwich, Connecticut.

In his appeal, Wrotnowski claimed that because Obama’s father was a Kenyan-born British subject, the president-elect does meet the Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. His mother was a U.S. citizen, born in the United States.

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1 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:34:49am

Excellent.

2 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:35:11am

He really was born in Hawaii and not Kansas?

3 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:35:37am

"Et tu, supreme court?"
/troofer

4 bosforus  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:36:31am

George Noory working the controls today?

5 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:16am

Like the 9/11 Troofers-no amount of facts will make the BC folks call it quits.

6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:24am

Backers of the lawsuits exclaim "MAH BUHKETZ!"

7 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:41am

What a waste of Supremes time.

8 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:42am

Another House Of Cards falls flat.

9 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:38:49am

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

10 SWPaul  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:12am

Hell, illegal immigrants come here, give birth, and their children are US citizens. Obama was born in the country so yeah, he does meet the requirements. To fill out the day, I'll have to watch a documentary on Bigfoot today, Charles.

11 bloodnok  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:29am

This will probably embolden the nirthers. They are probably dying to make this into their own little gov't conspiracy.

12 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:41am

Just say no to drugs, NirthCertees.

13 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:45am

re: #8 jorline

Another House Of Cards falls flat.

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

/

14 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:40:14am

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

15 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:41:25am
16 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:20am

re: #9 faraway

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

Pardon?

Whose fear?

There's nothing to be curious about. Obama was born to an American citizen, that alone is sufficient. Second the State of Hawaii confirmed the validity of the Birth Certificate.

17 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:45am

re: #14 CapeCoddah

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

We can set up a Galactic Court and charge them $500 each to file a case.

$Change$

18 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:48am

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

19 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:00am

Nirthers will probably throw their shoes at the Supreme Court.

While I missed the other thread on the Arab world applauding the shoe thrower.....I mean OMG how impotent can you get! A shoe! We roll with Abrams and they roll with shoes.

20 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:11am

How many moving parts would it take for the nirther conspiracy to work? And does it involve time travel, as in going back to 1961 to plant a birth announcement in a Honolulu newspaper?

Or does it take a really strong cup of tea to generate an infinite improbability field?

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:26am
22 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:30am

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

23 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:39am

Just because a lawsuit was dismissed won't stop the silliness from being promulgated endlessly for at least the next 4 years. A fart takes but a second to foul the air, while getting rid of the stench takes much longer.

24 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:49am

The way the Big "0" acts, I think he was born in Chicago.
He's no Local Hawaiian Boy.

25 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:51am
26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:16am

re: #14 CapeCoddah

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

Our Messiah-King is a Citizen of the World, so yeah.

27 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:17am

re: #13 The Other Les

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

/

Hey, Les. How are you today?

Solution for troofers...prescribe Ambian, less time to think before falling asleep.

28 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:26am

YES! May all those "Obama birth" bastards just shut up already!
And stuiec, is that a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference?

29 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:42am

re: #9 faraway

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

Huh?!?!

30 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:50am

re: #18 WrathofG-d

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

Explain?

31 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:53am

Kilgore posted a copy of a sentence from AS last night. Totally stupid.

32 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:58am

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Finally. Everybody can be mad at SNL!

And the NY Post also I guess.

33 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:26am
34 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:37am

OK. Which one of you space aliens has been beaming idiot rays down to earth? I am amazed at the number of truly baffling stories on Drudge.

The world is going batshit insane.

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:43am

re: #18 WrathofG-d

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

Yet it doesn't automatically give it a veneer of a truth being denied either.

36 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:46:44am

re: #7 Creeping Eruption

What a waste of Supremes time.

I was pondering this morning where the Gitmo detainees could be tried if they end up being shipped into the USA. Do you suppose they could be tried directly by the Supreme Court? It would limit the number of potential leakers of classified data, eliminate the middlemen in the appeals process, and keep the Justices busy. Plus it might open the eyes of a Kennedy or Souter to the nature of the enemy America faces.

37 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:08am

re: #17 lifeofthemind

We can set up a Galactic Court and charge them $500 each to file a case.

$Change$

I'll bet that there are some guys in Nigeria who would be glad to handle the paperwork for a small fee.

38 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:37am

re: #23 FurryOldGuyJeans

A fart takes but a second to foul the air, while getting rid of the stench takes much longer.

Kant?

39 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:38am

re: #24 IslandLibertarian

The way the Big "0" acts, I think he was born in Chicago.
He's no Local Hawaiian Boy.

Ha. He just sought out the one place in America where his temperament and ambition would fit right in.

40 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:05am

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

When the Supreme Court decided issues in favor of President Bush in 2000, many people said--quite rightly--"the Court has spoken; enough already."

Unwelcome as many people may find the election of Barack Obama, the same response is appropriate.

Devolving into the right-of-center equivalent of the "selected, not elected" obsessives does nothing good for conservatives, for conservatism, or--more important--for the political culture of the nation.

This bullshit should never have been elevated to the level that it needed to be considered by the SCOTUS. Can you imagine the furor if some 9/11 troofer pushing a criminal conspiracy lawsuit that far?

41 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:06am

re: #38 Creeping Eruption

Kant?

Kan, but it may take air freshener.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:08am

Obama is going to be "in the cross-hairs" of "troofer" types for a while. May as well start the popcorn.

43 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:21am

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Finally. Everybody can be mad at SNL!

From the article.
Gov. Paterson didn't see the humor in a "Saturday Night Live" bit that mocked his blindness.
Did they really write this?

44 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:39am

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

45 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:48am

re: #11 bloodnok

This will probably embolden the nirthers. They are probably dying to make this into their own little gov't conspiracy.

Oh noes! Loose Nirth!

46 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:00am

... and there was no nirth in kooksville, mighty Berger had struck out.

47 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:20am

re: #28 davinvalkri

YES! May all those "Obama birth" bastards just shut up already!
And stuiec, is that a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference?

Yes, and a particularly cool and froody one, if I do say so myself.

48 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:28am

re: #27 jorline

Hey, Les. How are you today?

Solution for troofers...prescribe Ambian, less time to think before falling asleep.

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:47am

re: #43 kcladderman

Yeah, they did. I didn't even notice a "Oh Shit! I can't believe we're doing this, moment either.

I thought it would be impossible to offend me. I was "stunned" offended.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:49am

131 Killgore Trout

Another great quote from Pamela.....

It;s not only wbat you dteach but what you dont teach.

Edumacashun!

51 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:58am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

OT

Where are you?

52 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:03am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Caroline Kennedy will pursue the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton, sources tell CNN.

Almost as qualified as the POTUS elect.

53 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:21am

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Explain?

The SCOTUS refuses to hear approximately 80% (if not more) of the cases that are sent to them. They do so for various reasons, don't want to, don't have time, feel the issue has already been resolved, feel that there is no issue with the lower court's decisions, etc.

As it stands now, (I believe, I haven't really looked too much into it, nor read the link above) they are just refusing to hear it. Thus, we cannot act as if they have heard it and found it to be without merit.

54 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:23am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Well, if Obama can be elected President with the qualifications he has, she ought to be qualified to be Queen of the Western World.

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:38am

re: #38 Creeping Eruption

Kant?

I came up with that all on my own, or did some subconscious plagiarism of someone I have never read.

56 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:41am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Good ...maybe she will understand how Sarah Palin felt when the democrats were tearing her apart ...and she is more qualified than Caroline Kennedy for anything except maybe handing out medals for the Kennedy Center ...

Sorry for ranting but they really make me sick ...

57 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:52am

The chick on FOX just said Caroline's father held the NY Senate seat? It was her uncle, but hell all Kennedy's look alike.

58 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:56am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

That sucks!

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:57am

re: #43 kcladderman

The middle picture, is the actual clip.

60 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:07am

re: #35 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet it doesn't automatically give it a veneer of a truth being denied either.

Exactly! Although I don't believe there is merit to their claim, the SCOTUS denying to hear the case leaves it neutral.

61 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:10am

They plan to Take it to a higher power : The Hague

/

62 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:10am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

OT

Where are you?

I bet he isn't in his car :-)

63 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:15am

re: #36 stuiec

I was pondering this morning where the Gitmo detainees could be tried if they end up being shipped into the USA. Do you suppose they could be tried directly by the Supreme Court? It would limit the number of potential leakers of classified data, eliminate the middlemen in the appeals process, and keep the Justices busy. Plus it might open the eyes of a Kennedy or Souter to the nature of the enemy America faces.

As far as I know, there has only been one criminal trial directly to the Supremes.

64 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:20am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.

65 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:36am
66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:44am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

yay car!

67 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:44am

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:25am

re: #67 Racer X

Oops.

69 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:32am

re: #56 JacksonTn

Good ...maybe she will understand how Sarah Palin felt when the democrats were tearing her apart ...and she is more qualified than Caroline Kennedy for anything except maybe handing out medals for the Kennedy Center ...

Sorry for ranting but they really make me sick ...

Go ahead rant away. You make alot of sense!

70 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:37am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

71 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:18am

re: #53 WrathofG-d

The SCOTUS refuses to hear approximately 80% (if not more) of the cases that are sent to them. They do so for various reasons, don't want to, don't have time, feel the issue has already been resolved, feel that there is no issue with the lower court's decisions, etc.

As it stands now, (I believe, I haven't really looked too much into it, nor read the link above) they are just refusing to hear it. Thus, we cannot act as if they have heard it and found it to be without merit.

That's why I was asking. If you haven't looked into it, then you don't know if they looked over the case and were weighting merit or not.

So, it's an either/or situation for the moment.

72 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:20am

re: #67 Racer X

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

Oh the irony.

73 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:33am

re: #50 MandyManners

I had a good laugh at that one too :)

74 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:49am

re: #70 Thanos

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

Rubbing Alcohol.

75 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:00am

re: #70 Thanos

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

I blow dryer won't reach, use blow torch.

76 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:13am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

Rubbing Alcohol.

Pee on it?

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:27am

re: #70 Thanos

Ignore Thanos' advise. Stay in the house. Mix a strong drink. Go back to bed.

78 lookingup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:43am

There are many reasons why the Supreme Court will not accept a case. Not the least consideration it could overturn the will of the electorate. They would be very, very reluctant to do that. This issue has to be kicked screaming and kicking down the memory hole.

79 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

I blow dryer won't reach, use blow torch.

Hammer and cold-steel chisel? Crowbar? Sledgehammer?

80 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:44am
81 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:05am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

Rubbing Alcohol.

Do I drink it?

82 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:20am

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

What if she is a she?

83 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:25am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.


Your'e lucky your lips didn't freeze to it!

84 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:28am

re: #52 jorline

Caroline Kennedy will pursue the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton, sources tell CNN.

Almost as qualified as the POTUS elect.

Another linky now.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:33am

re: #60 WrathofG-d

Exactly! Although I don't believe there is merit to their claim, the SCOTUS denying to hear the case leaves it neutral.

Even if he were not born in Hawaii the virtue of having an American mother would be sufficient for some Constitutional lawyer to gin up Our Messiah-King being a citizen.

Occam's Razor makes it all too hard to swallow the convoluted BS the Nirthers are shoveling.

86 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:40am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

That works, but it drives the lubricant out of the lock.

87 Russkilitlover  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:44am

re: #22 lawhawk

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

Yet another good argument for Loser Pays.

88 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:49am

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yay car!

It's a 1998 Chevy Prizm, Toyota engine (I'm told by mechanic) and on 75 thousand on it. One owner (me), paid off a LONG time ago, and my mechanic says I'm due for a break job first and then clutch, but I'm don't going to die if I don't get those two items done right now (I couldn't afford it right now).

89 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:56am

Halp us Pamula, Nirth Certifikit is in trubble

90 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #81 faraway

Do I drink it?

One for the car, one for me. . . . No, pour it into the lock.

91 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:05am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

get a step ladder?

92 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:20am

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

That's why I was asking. If you haven't looked into it, then you don't know if they looked over the case and were weighting merit or not.

So, it's an either/or situation for the moment.

Yes. I wasn't saying that there was merit. In fact, I believe my original comment expressly stated that I wasn't weighing in on the merit of the issue. I personally don't believe there is.

I just know that some on this thread were going to use this refusal to hear the case as some sort of "proof" that there is no merit! I was attempting to resolve that issue before it began.

93 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:26am

re: #57 Nevergiveup

The chick on FOX just said Caroline's father held the NY Senate seat? It was her uncle, but hell all Kennedy's look alike.

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

94 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:30am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

Well the technique might be harder but the concept is the same.

95 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:45am

re: #63 Creeping Eruption

As far as I know, there has only been one criminal trial directly to the Supremes.

Which one was that?

And wouldn't the Gitmo detainees represent a special class of people who need unique handling?

I have no idea if it would be feasible to put them on trial in the Supreme Court, but it seems awfully risky to try them in any other existing Federal court.

96 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:00am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

OT

Where are you?

Minneapolis.

97 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:01am

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

...All are leaving Colorado in time for Christmas — joining a traditional holiday migration that will number almost 1 million people, says Mexico's interior ministry. But they have no intention of returning to Colorado, a place that promised prosperity.

Mexico's National Statistics and Geography Institute estimates that 814,000 Mexicans emigrated to the U.S. in 2006, compared to 1.2 million in 2007.

Arnal noted that Mexico's economy is growing, albeit modestly. Mexico's Treasury Department reported a 1.7 percent growth rate for the third quarter and forecasts 2 percent growth for the year.

But hard times, not tepid growth back home, are prompting some Colorado Mexicans to leave.

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

98 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:15am

re: #83 TaeJohnDo

Your'e lucky your lips didn't freeze to it!

For the scene in which Flick's tongue sticks to the flagpole, a hidden suction tube was used to safely create the illusion that his tongue had frozen to the metal.

99 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:22am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

Are yuh sure?

100 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:36am

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Yes. I wasn't saying that there was merit. In fact, I believe my original comment expressly stated that I wasn't weighing in on the merit of the issue. I personally don't believe there is.

I just know that some on this thread were going to use this refusal to hear the case as some sort of "proof" that there is no merit! I was attempting to resolve that issue before it began.

OK

101 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:40am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

Then don't wear heels when you do it -- not enough traction -- we don't want you to slip!

102 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:16am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

No JFK was the Senator from Mass when he ran. RFK was the Senator from NY. Teddy was given JFK's seat when he ascended to the Presidency.

103 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:22am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Really?

104 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:32am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

RFK was the senator from NY. JFK's offices (except Pres) were all Massachusetts (congress, then the senate)

105 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:59am

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

106 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:10am

re: #97 Racer X

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

...All are leaving Colorado in time for Christmas — joining a traditional holiday migration that will number almost 1 million people, says Mexico's interior ministry. But they have no intention of returning to Colorado, a place that promised prosperity.

Mexico's National Statistics and Geography Institute estimates that 814,000 Mexicans emigrated to the U.S. in 2006, compared to 1.2 million in 2007.

Arnal noted that Mexico's economy is growing, albeit modestly. Mexico's Treasury Department reported a 1.7 percent growth rate for the third quarter and forecasts 2 percent growth for the year.

But hard times, not tepid growth back home, are prompting some Colorado Mexicans to leave.

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

And I can't even afford to spend Christmas in Raton, New Mexico.

107 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:13am

re: #70 Thanos

I can unlock the passenger side but the damned thing won't open.

this was at about 0600, so I may be able to get it open now.

108 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:16am

You know, I was all "this is a troofer conspiracy" too, except for one thing: Obama's camp has spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers to keep from having to spend $10 or $15 to obtain and release a copy of his long form birth certificate (not the COLB, which is a summary of the long form, is missing many fields, uses "African" for race when that was not a term in use at the time, and could be obtain by a foreign national who filed to register their foreign birth with the State of Hawaii under a particular Hawaii statute). Could someone PLEASE explain why he would do that if there wasn't something there?! I still think that this whole thing is garbage, but I really can't come up with a reason for this expenditure. Maybe some smarter lizard than I can do so?

109 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:35am

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

you have stinky hot water ?

110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:46am

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

Hot water stinks? Where do you live? Is it a fishy smell?

111 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:48am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

112 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:00pm

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

Speak for yourself?
/ Asparagus anyone?

113 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:06pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

DOOHHHH!

114 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:09pm

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

115 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:09pm

re: #99 debutaunt

Are yuh sure?

JFK was Senator from Mass, Teddy took his seat when JFK was elected. RFK held the NY seat, which his niece is now going to occupy.

116 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:20pm

re: #95 stuiec

Which one was that?

And wouldn't the Gitmo detainees represent a special class of people who need unique handling?

I have no idea if it would be feasible to put them on trial in the Supreme Court, but it seems awfully risky to try them in any other existing Federal court.

I cannot for the life of me remember the name. If I remember correctly, it was at the turn of last century (around 1900). It was actually a criminal contempt trial against a Tennessee Sherriff (?) for allowing a mob to lynch a Black man accused of raping a White woman after the Court ordered the man (already convicted and sentenced to hang) held in custody and stayed the execution. I think it was a trial against those accused of lynching as well.

117 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:25pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

*rimshot*
ROFLMAO

118 badger1970  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:26pm

It's like screaming into a strong headwind. Nothing will come out of this (either side) except for a sore throat.

Talk about a waste of time and treasure (again on both sides).

119 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Hot water stinks? Where do you live? Is it a fishy smell?

AS a matter of fact...

120 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:34pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

Er, he can't get inside. But you understood that, right?

121 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:34pm

re: #114 Ben Hur

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

58 or 59, I beleive

122 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:45pm

re: #103 Dianna

Really?

That was at 6 AM.

123 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:07pm

re: #115 CapeCoddah

JFK was Senator from Mass, Teddy took his seat when JFK was elected. RFK held the NY seat, which his niece is now going to occupy.

I know - Big Steve was confused.

124 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:17pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley, a sleet storm had covered the drivers side of my car with about a quarter inch of ice. So I get in the car on the passenger side and get it started. I sit for a while as it heats up.
Soon, it is nice and toasty inside and I rolled down the drivers side window, thinking that would break up the ice there. It didn't, but it left me with an intact ice window.
So I look at my friend sitting next to me and say, "Cool, I've always wanted to do something like this" and I fling my left arm against the ice window and smash it to bits.
At which time all the accumulated snow above the window fell into my lap.

125 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:24pm

re: #108 MoonbatBane

You know, I was all "this is a troofer conspiracy" too, except for one thing: Obama's camp has spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers to keep from having to spend $10 or $15 to obtain and release a copy of his long form birth certificate (not the COLB, which is a summary of the long form, is missing many fields, uses "African" for race when that was not a term in use at the time, and could be obtain by a foreign national who filed to register their foreign birth with the State of Hawaii under a particular Hawaii statute). Could someone PLEASE explain why he would do that if there wasn't something there?! I still think that this whole thing is garbage, but I really can't come up with a reason for this expenditure. Maybe some smarter lizard than I can do so?

Can you explain why there was an announcement of birth in their local paper? Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?

126 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:28pm

re: #96 The Other Les

Minneapolis.

SO thats why the west wind (20-30 mph) brought my temps down to a toasty 5 degrees this morning.

127 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:30pm

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

Er, he can't get inside. But you understood that, right?

Details Details Details

128 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:32pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

No JFK was the Senator from Mass when he ran. RFK was the Senator from NY. Teddy was given JFK's seat when he ascended to the Presidency.

meant RFK sorry, my mistake.

129 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:35pm

re: #107 The Other Les

I can unlock the passenger side but the damned thing won't open.

this was at about 0600, so I may be able to get it open now.

If you have automatic trunk opener you can try popping it and crawlling in through the back if the seat drop down

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

My brother, who works as the bean counter for a car dealership, came by the house the other day with a car that has remote starting, so that ain't all that improbable.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Yep. Been there. Done that.

132 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:05pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

133 Russkilitlover  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:14pm

re: #67 Racer X

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

134 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:19pm

re: #121 sattv4u2

58 or 59, I beleive

Ah.

OK.

The first Settler President!

FREE HAWAII!

135 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:56pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

This is a self-correcting problem. Just wait until May, June at the latest.

136 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:58pm

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

This is a job for....Al Gore!

Why hasn't someone photoshopped him into a Super-Hero bodysuit?

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #129 Thanos

If that happens to you. Ignore Thanos' advise. Go back inside. Pull the covers back over your head. Go back to sleep.

Dang it, Thanos!?

138 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:28pm

re: #111 Shug

How's he gonna start the car if he can't open the door!?
Maybe try directed heat, like a hair dryer, cordless?
If you've got a flamethrower you can try that.

139 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:28pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

It's impossible for that to have happened! Let me get out my roll of chicken wire - hang on...

140 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:38pm

There was never, ever any chance that the Court would overturn an election based on a dubious reading of the Constitution. With Mexican illegals poping out anchor babies while they are waiting in line to be deported, it was somewhat insane to think that Obama's citizenship could be in doubt.

His qualifications to be President, OTOH, are an entirely different matter. But that's not in the Court's hands, either.

141 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

Wait for spring

142 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:44pm

re: #114 Ben Hur

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

21 August 1959.

143 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:04:30pm

Interesting item at Michelle Malkin:

Kidnapped Iraqi reporter freed, says no ransom paid
19 Nov 2007 13:33:27 GMT
Source: Reuters
BAGHDAD, Nov 19 (Reuters) - An Iraqi TV journalist who was kidnapped last week in a busy Baghdad neighbourhood said he was released unharmed before dawn on Monday.

Muntazer al-Zaidi, a correspondent for the independent al- Baghdadiya television station, said he spent more than two days blindfolded, barely eating and drinking, after armed men forced him into a car as he walked to work on Friday morning in the bustling Bab al-Sharji area of central Baghdad.

“My release is a miracle. I couldn’t believe I was still alive,” Zaidi, 28, told Reuters by telephone.

Zaidi said the kidnappers had beaten him until he lost consciousness. They used his necktie to blindfold him and bound his hands with his shoelaces.

He never learned the identity of the kidnappers, who questioned him closely about his work but did not demand a ransom.

The captors later told Zaidi he would be released, throwing him on to a dark street, still blindfolded, around 3 a.m. (0000 GMT) on Monday. He was then picked up by his brother.

At least 122 journalists and 41 media support staff have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists. About 85 percent of those killed were Iraqis.

Some Iraqi journalists have been targeted by Sunni Arab militants or by Shi’ite militias. Others have been killed by U.S. forces while reporting. (Reporting by Waleed Ibrahim; Writing by Missy Ryan; Editing by Richard Balmforth)

Iraqi journalist hurls shoes at ‘dog’ Bush
Dec 14 02:36 PM US/Eastern

An Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes and an insult at George W. Bush, without hitting him, as the US president was shaking hands with the Iraqi premier at his Baghdad office on Sunday.

As the two leaders met in Nuri al-Maliki’s private office, a journalist sitting in the third row jumped up, shouting: “It is the farewell kiss, you dog,” and threw his shoes one after the other towards Bush.

Maliki made a protective gesture towards the US president, who ducked and was not hit.

The journalist, Muntazer al-Zaidi from Al-Baghdadia channel which broadcasts from Cairo, was frogmarched from the room by security staff, an AFP journalist said.

Coincidence?

144 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:04:34pm

re: #135 stuiec

No emissions, too. The Goracle would be proud!

145 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:22pm

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

146 Wishing  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:24pm

I heard this on the radio today: Chicago Tribune blew open the Blago case before the Feds could catch the actual sale.
Guy said that the Trib was helping the Feds since Oct

147 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:26pm

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

148 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:32pm

re: #122 The Other Les

That was at 6 AM.

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

149 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:50pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley...

Wow, memories. When I was 14, on a boy scout trip from new Jersey, cross country, we stopped at Ft. Riley for the night. Food was really good in the mess, and the barracks were comfortable. Saw a movie that night in the theatre.

The only scary thing was, an officer gave us an orientation on the base and some safety stuff and he went through this whole thing about tornado's and ditches and not getting sucked up to Oz.

He man, this was Kansas, I was from the East coast, this was scary.

Of course, since then, I've gone directly through two tornados, not problemo.

150 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

Yet another proof that Globull Warming is beyond doubt happening, and the humans are responsible for it.

Bad humans, bad!

151 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:03pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley, a sleet storm had covered the drivers side of my car with about a quarter inch of ice. So I get in the car on the passenger side and get it started. I sit for a while as it heats up.
Soon, it is nice and toasty inside and I rolled down the drivers side window, thinking that would break up the ice there. It didn't, but it left me with an intact ice window.
So I look at my friend sitting next to me and say, "Cool, I've always wanted to do something like this" and I fling my left arm against the ice window and smash it to bits.
At which time all the accumulated snow above the window fell into my lap.

Am I a bad person for laughing?

152 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:30pm

re: #134 Ben Hur

Ah.

OK.

The first Settler President!

FREE HAWAII!

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

153 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:00pm

re: #148 Dianna

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

154 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:01pm

re: #135 stuiec

This is a self-correcting problem. Just wait until May, June at the latest.

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

155 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:30pm

re: #147 DistantThunder

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

I don't see what he could contribute. There weren't and teeny-boppers in the video that I could see.

156 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:42pm
157 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:57pm

re: #146 Wishing

I heard this on the radio today: Chicago Tribune blew open the Blago case before the Feds could catch the actual sale.
Guy said that the Trib was helping the Feds since Oct

Next time 3 Wood is here, talk to him about it. He has lots of insight re: the Trib in all this. According to him, the Trib had a deal with Fitzgerald to sit on this even longer than they did

158 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:59pm

re: #148 Dianna

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

I have to try again.

159 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:59pm

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

160 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:14pm

re: #97 Racer X

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

He's been in this country since he was a teenager, nearly 20 years, and he still thinks of Mexico as his country? These are not your grandparents' immigrants (or your immigrant grandparents).

161 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:26pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

250 mile long extension cord?

162 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:31pm

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

Heat the key with a lighter.

163 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:08pm

re: #22 lawhawk

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

Of course they won't. Conspiracy theorists don't care about the truth - they care about drawing attention to themselves. And filing bat-shit-crazy suits with the Supreme Court is one sure way to make people stare at you.

I don't even understand the basis of this suit. If you're born on US soil, you're a natural-born US citizen. End of story. Your parent's nationality doesn't mean jack.

I really hope the courts start levying fines against these butt puckers. Then they can sit in their mom's basements and get together on a forum to whine to each other about their sad, miserable lives, and the rest of us can go back to ignoring them.

164 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:19pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

Well everyone knows not to eat the yellow snow don't they?

165 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:24pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Heat the key with a lighter.

He said the locks still worked, the door itself was frozen solid.

166 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:33pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

Extension cord.

167 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:49pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

168 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:13pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

South Park has shown him with a cape, in would-be superhero mode.

I've not watched that in ages.

169 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:22pm

re: #158 The Other Les

I have to try again.

Do you have a blow dryer, or a neighbor with one? If so, plug into the nearest outlet, use an extension cord, and it will work.

170 bmorte  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:24pm

re: #125 Outrider

Can you explain why there was an announcement of birth in their local paper? Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?

I thought we weren't going to discuss this again. But while we are on the topic... When my children were born I put notices in the paper where I grew up even though I had not lived there in years. Grandparents do it all the time, too.

171 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:37pm

re: #166 Dianna

Extension cord.

I was being silly. Sorry. Lack of happy Lizards here today. Maybe being poor and stupid like me has it's advantages.

172 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:39pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

ESPECIALLY with your tongue

[Link: thefuntimesguide.com...]

173 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:50pm

re: #158 The Other Les

I have to try again.

Be careful about getting too much heat on the glass parts, the lock mechanisms & handles are lower anyway. You don't want your window to crack.
Don't try boiling water.

This is learned from 20 years of watching neighbors wreck their cars trying to get doors unfrozen in Fairbanks, hair dryers work great but take a bit of patience.

174 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:01pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

Even if the car is unstoppable, it helps if you can get the door open.

175 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:19pm

re: #160 doppelganglander

He's been in this country since he was a teenager, nearly 20 years, and he still thinks of Mexico as his country? These are not your grandparents' immigrants (or your immigrant grandparents).

Exactly.

Immigrants have been treating America like a whore.

Good riddance!

176 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:50pm

re: #97 Racer X

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Oh, now I get it. The market meltdown and the recession are part of a big conspiracy to trick all the illegals into leaving voluntarily. Then, when they're all gone - SLAM THE BORDER SHUT BEHIND THEM.
//

177 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:51pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Heat the key with a lighter.

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.

178 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:10pm

re: #136 MandyManners

Why hasn't someone photoshopped him into a Super-Hero bodysuit?

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

179 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:23pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

oh...OH!

180 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:52pm

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

181 AreaMan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:54pm

If the conspiracy is deep enough, Obama himself might not know where he was born. He was only told. You don't actually remember your birth do you? Your parents told you where you were born, and you foolishly believed them.

In fact, how do you know they're your parents? Did you test their DNA?

The day after he's sworn in, the secret conditioning in Obama's brain will kick in and he'll press the Big Nuclear Button. Or maybe the "Alien" will pop out of his chest...

And how do you know he's really black? They can Photoshop TV these days, plus, makeup and skin dye have been available for centuries.

-----
If the car is still frozen shut, you can pour boiling water over the lock.

182 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:05pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

try all the doors - I had to crawl through the car to open my drivers side.

183 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:07pm

re: #177 Dianna

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.


Why? Does it feel cheap and used?

184 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #177 Dianna

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.

I was speaking about the lock itself.

185 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:24pm
186 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:34pm

re: #178 SixDegrees

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

Oh, ick. Just, ick.

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:41pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

They now sell cars with remote starting so it ain't all that improbable.

188 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:45pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

Uh .... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

189 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:51pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

Volkswagen. The original Beetle.

190 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:52pm

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

I was being silly. Sorry. Lack of happy Lizards here today. Maybe being poor and stupid like me has it's advantages.

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrrrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

191 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

Should be used to that , being from Nicaragua.

192 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:22pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

Before you defrost the car doors and start the engine, don't forget to put a potato in the exhaust pipe. This is essential.

Not a banana?

193 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:27pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

Humor comes hard for lizards, I have a theory that it's those weird lids in their reptilian eyes.

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog

Uh .... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

Charleston, WV.

195 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:37pm
196 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:38pm

Electric blanket

197 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:14pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

DON'T KEEEEL HIM!

198 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:16pm

re: #108 MoonbatBane

A reason I could think of for not releasing the BC, aside from the distraction factor, is the possibility that the actual BC recorded the religion, as reported by the parent(s) at the time of birth, and if that became public, it could have seriously wounded his campaign.

199 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:19pm

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog

Uh .... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

Oh yeah, discount the trivia, you truther! ;)

200 lookingup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:22pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

Before you defrost the car doors and start the engine, don't forget to put a potato in the exhaust pipe. This is essential.

Laughing out loud, it causes restriction and the engine warms up quicker. lol

201 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:38pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

Depending upon ... er ... well, you know ... prior events, an emergency circumcision might be necessary.

202 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:00pm

re: #93 Big Steve

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

203 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:03pm

You can pour either anti freeze or window washer fluid around the door, just take it to a car wash afterward.

204 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:14pm

Wasssssup Lizard Nation?

205 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:15pm

re: #193 Thanos

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

206 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:29pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Yup.

207 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #147 DistantThunder

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

Sanchez is a dick with ears.

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:43pm

re: #193 Thanos

Humor comes hard for lizards, I have a theory that it's those weird lids in their reptilian eyes.

Lieutenant Steven Hauk: I understand you're pretty funny as a dee-jay and, well, comedy is kind of a hobby of mine. Well, actually, it's a little more than just a hobby, Reader's Digest is considering publishing two of my jokes.

-Good Morning Vietnam.

209 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:47pm

re: #190 Dianna

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrrrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

You can't bring in a space heater?

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:04pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Why bother trying to open the door when you can just crawl through the trunk?

211 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:15pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Yes!
So what's you point!?

212 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:19pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

Lt Gov in Maryland I think. A Kathleen Townsend or something like that.

213 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

That's not true. Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.

214 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:28pm

re: #178 SixDegrees

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

215 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #207 opnion

Sanchez is a dick with ears.

I got both a dick and 2 ears?

216 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

Let me start by being very clear. I have no doubt that Obama is eligible to be president.

I think for me the problem i am having is that this is the first time i have heard you could be president without establishing your basic eligibility. I guess i assumed that sometime before taking the oath of office, they required you to show proof you were eligible.

Now, this is where the lawyer in me comes out big time. there is a difference between process and outcomes. of course there are alot of people who confuse the two. Al Franken, for instance, is confusing what the right process for counting votes with the outcome he is seeking. And both sides are susceptible to this. But some of us do respect process in and of itself and on this, well, just as we should be forced to prove who we are before we vote, shouldn't we require a person to prove where he was born before becoming president?

And in law we have the concept of the "best evidence rule." So what is the best evidence of his place of birth? an old newspaper? a newly created birth certificate?

No. An original. And if it is missing, or whatever, then and only then we go to these other sources.

The other sources are solid enough to believe him if we can't produce the original birth certificate, but still I want to either 1) see that best evidence or 2) have an explanation as to why that best evidence is not available. This is truly not about outcomes, but about process. As a matter of good process, we should always see that birth certificate.

And I'll go as far as to say I don't mind if Obama is seated without having produced it. To suddenly apply the rule now would raise concerns of selective application of the rules if we said it the first time with him. i am reminded of when they tried to seat the first black senator, hiriam revels. A number of, well, rednecks, objected saying he was not qualified. Why? The argument was both evil and ingenius. It went like this. Under Dredd Scott, no black man could be a citizen. Now, of course, the 14th A overturned this, but this was 1870, so that was only 2 years ago. A senator had to be a citizen for longer than 2 years, thus Mr. Revels couldn't be a senator. The arguments on the other side were interesting. the first was that Dred Scott was never good law in the first place so in fact he was always a citizen, the 14th A only made that crystal clear. The second was to say "how do we know he was black?"--pointing out, for instance, he was only 1/8 black. and the third was to say, "you guys didn't raise this concern when we were admitting citizens of texas into congress, so why the sudden concern?" (after all, Texas was its own country at one point and thus a texan is not typically going to be a citizen of the US, too.)

So let's give Obama a walk. Yeah, in part because he is black, because I fear that racism might be behind some of this, or that it might be otherwise outcome driven (as in, we fear he will be a disaster--and mind you, i share that fear). and that walk, as far as i am concerned, goes all the way to (god help us) if he is reelected. But still, going forward, shouldn't we see the BC, at least going forward?

As a matter of process, i say yes.

217 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

He was/is a Sandinista. Consider the source.

218 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:51pm

re: #168 MandyManners

I've not watched that in ages.

South Park has slammed Gore mercilessly in several episodes. See, in particular, "ManBearPig" and "Imaginationland," which both feature him in self-delusional superhero mode.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ever since these episodes aired, my kids have though Al Gore is a total idiot. They snicker whenever his name is mentioned.

So South Park is high on my educational television list.

219 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:54pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

I suspect it did, but it's all Les' fault. It's a conspiracy, he doesn't want us mocking the nirth certers or something.....


///

220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:56pm

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

Ever listen to Rick Roberts? He runs a report "This week in Mexico". Unless you want to end up raped, robbed, extorted, kidnapped, murdered or all of the above, you do not go to Mexico for any reason.

221 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:38pm

re: #212 Nevergiveup

Yes! That sounds right. Thanks.

222 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:47pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Rub your boobs on the door.

Now this is a boob thread :)

223 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:52pm

Easy way to NEVER deal with frozen doors !
GARAGE!
My work truck is always frozen tho...!I just pull really hard !
Is no my trock!

224 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:56pm
225 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:01pm

re: #213 doppelganglander

That's not true. Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

226 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:19pm

re: #219 Thanos

Hell, LIFE IS A CONSPIRACY OF A BILLION BILLION CELLS!
Well, technically it is--I mean losing a few million of those could cause som pretty bad injury.

227 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:58pm

OBAMA REVIEW DONE; RELEASE NEXT WEEK

"At the direction of the President-elect, a review of Transition staff contacts with Governor Blagojevich and his office has been conducted and completed and is ready for release. That review affirmed the public statements of the President-elect that he had no contact with the governor or his staff, and that the President-elect's staff was not involved in inappropriate discussions with the governor or his staff over the selection of his successor as US Senator.

"Also at the President-elect's direction, Gregory Craig, counsel to the Transition, has kept the US Attorney's office informed of this fact-gathering process in order to ensure our full cooperation with the investigation.

"In the course of those discussions, the US Attorney's office requested the public release of the Transition review be deferred until the week of December 22, in order not to impede their investigation of the governor. The Transition has agreed to this revised timetable for release."

/but who's going under the bus?

228 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:03pm

re: #204 loppyd

Wasssssup Lizard Nation?

We're freezing our butts off.

229 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:08pm

I would like to watch al bore blow up from eating too much re: #214 Son of the Black Dog

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

230 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:17pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (RFK's oldest daughter) was Lt. Gov. in Maryland and ran unsuccessfully for Congress.

231 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:27pm

I think she looks like John Kerry with long hair.

232 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:28pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

He was suspended by the Vatican in the 1980s together with two other priests involved in the Sandinista revolution, Ernesto and Fernando Cardenal. During a visit to Central America, Pope John Paul II publicly reprimanded him for his political activities.

233 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:53pm

re: #210 FurryOldGuyJeans

People who have a trunk latch to lower the back seat usually are not aware of it!
Had a car thief get in that way once!

234 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:53pm

re: #206 Creeping Eruption

Yup.

Burn the nirth cert for the heat to get the door open.

Now we can move on to the next topic.

Any suggestions? I'd recommend a new boob thread but I'm at work and it's be a bust for me if I did ....

235 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:54pm

re: #143 Ben Hur

Interesting item at Michelle Malkin:

Coincidence?

yma o hyd and I were talking about this 'coincidence' on an earlier thread this morning.

236 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:58pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.

you only got down to a -16, it was -15 here at 8 am. somewhere in the -20s during the night. I unfroze everything yesterday.

237 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:59pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/no, I did not make this up

LOL

238 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:10pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Am I a bad person for laughing?

Not at all. My friend and I laughed about it for weeks.

239 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:13pm

re: #222 faraway

No boobs. :) or :(?
Well, it's not me that has a frozen car door...or a frozen car...or a car...
HEY OBAMA! FREE CARS FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS! WHADAYA THINK!

/not really.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:14pm

re: #225 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

Sacramento is not the largest city in Kentucky.

241 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:18pm

re: #215 Nevergiveup

I got both a dick and 2 ears?

That would be the proper count.

242 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:05pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/Shopping Penguin

243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:14pm

re: #12 MrSilverDragon

Just say no to drugs, NirthCertees.

Or yes, if the drug in question is Prozac.

244 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:19pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Patently wrong.

In 33 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently not the state's most populous city.
245 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:23pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

You couldn't have them come by and pick you up, could you?

246 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:34pm

re: #235 gop_patriot


What was the gist?

Making his own news?

247 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:37pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So where do I go for my next fullauto assault rifle ?
Ah,Ah, tell me that ! Hummmm?

248 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:44pm

re: #216 A.W.

Omigosh. That was a lot words to spend saying you still think there's a conspiracy.

Nirth cert certed by Hawaii in the form of a state offical. Good enough.

Now if you are a lawyer, and you think you have a freakin case .... knowing so much about the law as you must, being a lawyer and all.. .GO FILE AND PRESS your case, so we can laugh at you like we are Berger, bergman, or whoever the fruitcake is.

249 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:45pm

Hey, did you guys know that throwing shoes is a sign of contempt? Really! I just heard about it on the TV.

And all this time I thought the guy was just trying to hurt GWB.

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:03pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

Killian. There are millions of videos on YouTube. I'd love to hear how you found this one. Really. How?

251 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:05pm

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sacramento is not the largest city in Kentucky.

At least you get what I was trying to do...throwing out some ABSURD conspiracy trivia BS to have some fun with the general topic of the thread. ;)

252 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:06pm

re: #247 reloadingisnotahobby

Africa. I'm sorry.

253 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:14pm

re: #204 loppyd

LOPPS!

254 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:20pm

But in how many states is the capitol the most funkadelic city?

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:49pm

re: #244 lawhawk

Patently wrong.

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)

256 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:55pm

re: #214 Son of the Black Dog

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

Storing up fat so he can slumber through spring.

257 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:09pm

re: #204 loppyd

Wasssssup Lizard Nation?

Hey Loppy, how is it goin?

258 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:17pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog


Boston MAss

Uh .... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charleston, WV.

259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:23pm

re: #247 reloadingisnotahobby

So where do I go for my next fullauto assault rifle ?
Ah,Ah, tell me that ! Hummmm?

Oh, full auto. I thought you wrote something completely different. Think Monica Lewinsky...

260 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:35pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

That's why we're lizards and not stoner moonbats!

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

262 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:02pm

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Killian. There are millions of videos on YouTube. I'd love to hear how you found this one. Really. How?

/RedEye, Planet Unicorn too

263 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:12pm

re: #260 davinvalkri

That's why we're lizards and not stoner moonbats!

thats right ,,,, HEY ,DUDE ,,,, , you gonna Bogart that joint, or what !?!?!

264 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:25pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!

I hope everyone had an excellent weekend and that this Monday finds you well and happy.

265 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:34pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)


I think what he meant to say was "In 17 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently the state's most populous city."

266 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:37pm

re: #228 MandyManners

We're freezing our butts off.

Bunch of Sallies.

/ducking

267 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:42pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

/Shopping Penguin

I wonder what happened to the sea gull in Scotland which would dart into a market and make off with a bag of Cheetos.

268 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:44pm

re: #244 lawhawk

It states " Populous" not popular? Hmmm...I wonder if that's a trend ?

269 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:52pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

Is this another veterinarian inspired homosexual innuendo?

270 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:57pm

re: #259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL. I caught that.

Fullautio: the real bail out of the auto industry.

BWAHAHAHAHA

271 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #265 TaeJohnDo

I think what he meant to say was "In 17 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently the state's most populous city."

But 57 - 33 is 24!

272 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:11pm

re: #257 CapeCoddah

Hey Loppy, how is it goin?

Hey there! Good. Busy.

You?

273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:13pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

AHEM! It was just some conspiracy trivia humor trying to use Hawaii as a springboard, since that is in part the topic of the thread.

Only one person "got it," yeesh.

274 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:23pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/no, I did not make this up

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

275 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:35pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

276 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:52pm

re: #271 Silhouette

But 57 - 33 is 24!


I am humbled by your math skills.

277 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:58pm

YOU

278 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:09pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

I think that would be vastly preferable to snorting the damn things. ;)

279 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:21pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

thats right ,,,, HEY ,DUDE ,,,, , you gonna Bogart that joint, or what !?!?!

got a joint?

280 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:24pm

re: #268 reloadingisnotahobby

It states " Populous" not popular? Hmmm...I wonder if that's a trend ?

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

281 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:31pm

I'm going out to try it again.

282 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:44pm

re: #272 loppyd

Hey there! Good. Busy.

You?

Same here, how did you fare in that storm? Everything OK?

283 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:46pm

re: #277 Ben Hur

ACCHHHHH

MY EEEEEYYYEEES

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:49pm

re: #262 Killian Bundy

/RedEye, Planet Unicorn too

Just wow.

285 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:59pm

re: #264 Ford_Prefect

Good Afternoon Lizards!

I hope everyone had an excellent weekend and that this Monday finds you well and happy.


Good afternoon Ford..Hope today finds you well.

286 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:01pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

bogart

287 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:04pm

re: #190 Dianna

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrrrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

Have you seen my toes?
I can't feel them anymore.

288 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:12pm

re: #277 Ben Hur

YOU

wtf is that?

289 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:12pm

re: #226 davinvalkri


It helps your perspective if you consider life to be a fatal sexually transmitted disease.

290 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:34pm

re: #288 loppyd

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

291 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:35pm

re: #283 WriterMom

If it makes you feel any better, those pants can't be offering much protection to his testes. Punch him hard!

292 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:36pm

re: #252 davinvalkri
Aaaah! One word ....PIRATES!

293 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:42pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

Nah, not Fitchburg, Orange!

294 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:46pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

GOD ,,, you're young !

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

295 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:48pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

It helps your perspective if you consider life to be a fatal sexually transmitted disease.

Life is the leading cause of death.

296 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:56pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

Were the penguins seen at Fire Island or were their opinions on Judy Garland pro-offered? That would be one way to tell.
NTTATWWT.

297 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:14pm

re: #291 davinvalkri

Uh-no-somehow I don't think that will make me feel better.

298 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:14pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

299 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:15pm

re: #256 jorline

Storing up fat so he can slumber lumber through spring.

Fixed

300 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:30pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

LOL

301 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:32pm

re: #259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
?LOL?

302 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:35pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops

Good afternoon Ford..Hope today finds you well.

It does. And you?

303 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:58pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

heh...the bodies pile up dont they?...

304 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:59pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

* * * *
Ugh, that was Kathleen Townshend Kennedy who was Lt. Governor of Maryland until Michael Steele (R) won her job for one term, when this Ms. Kathleen Townsend Kennedy ran for governor of Maryland with John McCain's former Naval Academy roommate, Chuck Larson.

305 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:04pm

re: #286 jorline

bogart


It's a tough job keeping the masses informed Jorline..:)

306 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:06pm

re: #296 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Were the penguins seen at Fire Island or were their opinions on Judy Garland pro-offered? That would be one way to tell.
NTTATWWT.

No, I guess one of them were doing a Striesand impersonation. Did you see that one penguin's beak?

307 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:07pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

I started gradually, but I think we all agree now that if we find Obama's birth certificate, we are going to hold a lighter to it and after it's been properly disposed of, douse it with boiling water.

308 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:23pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

Buy the book, Bar Mitzvah Disco.

309 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:40pm

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

No, I guess one of them were doing a Striesand impersonation. Did you see that one penguin's beak?

He was jewish?

310 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:45pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

You can't get there from here...

311 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:50pm

re: #299 Son of the Black Dog

Fixed

That will work too.

312 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:51pm

re: #295 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not "death" is the leading cause of death?

313 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:55pm

re: #293 CapeCoddah

Nah, not Fitchburg, Orange!

Orange ,.,,,,, gateway to Athol!

314 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:59pm

re: #282 CapeCoddah

Same here, how did you fare in that storm? Everything OK?

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

315 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:01pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

Well, they are rather formally dressed. Aren't hetero male birds usually wearing old sweatshirts with holes in them?

316 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:09pm

re: #307 CyanSnowHawk

I started gradually, but I think we all agree now that if we find Obama's birth certificate, we are going to hold a lighter to it and after it's been properly disposed of, douse it with boiling water.

I'd just make water on it and then throw a shoe at it.

317 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:11pm

re: #249 father_of_10

Hey, did you guys know that throwing shoes is a sign of contempt? Really! I just heard about it on the TV.

And all this time I thought the guy was just trying to hurt GWB.

unless you're at an alternative rock concert. throwing your shoes on the stage shows full approval of band.

318 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:19pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

to not share

319 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:27pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Orange ,.,,,,, gateway to Athol!

LOL, that urban paradise...

320 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:41pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

Don't Bogart that joint my friend ...pass it over to me........

321 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:47pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Orange ,.,,,,, gateway to Athol!

Orange is always on the news when it's cold - to make a point.

322 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:58pm

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just wow.

Found Happy Tree Friends on my own though.

/Ren & Stimpy's evil twin

323 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:09pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

Nah, just rain and wind here. Thankfully!

324 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:12pm

re: #298 Creeping Eruption

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

Right. I know that, I have had birds and raised them for years. And you just made my point. You had more "science" in your two sentences than that whole article.

The article was bullshit and the people at the zoo who reacted the way they did need to slack off on eating as much bark as they are doing.

What a bunch of earth-munchers.

325 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:30pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

Well if I know Bogart the actor, I can't be THAT young!
(goddamn hippies co-opting the badasses of the 1930s...)

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:32pm
327 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:35pm

re: #305 HoosierHoops

It's a tough job keeping the masses informed Jorline..:)

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

328 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:43pm

re: #321 loppyd

Orange is always on the news when it's cold - to make a point.

I spent a week there one night !@

329 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:15pm

re: #302 Ford_Prefect

It does. And you?


Another hour for work then I need to do a little Christmas Shopping..
What's not to like?

330 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:15pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

When was this Yogi?

331 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:27pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

God, I'm sorry too hear that.!LOL!

332 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:36pm

re: #295 FurryOldGuyJeans

Life is the leading cause of death.

George Carlin said that swallowing saliva over a long period of time causes death.

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:39pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

Only a week?

334 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:44pm

re: #320 reloadingisnotahobby

Sorry, I'm a lizard, not a stoner. I get my kicks licking frogs!
...Ok, not really, I'm crazy enough as it is.

335 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:55pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't Bogart That Joint

-Little Feat

thanks for that...I was too lazy bro!

336 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:25pm

re: #330 loppyd

When was this Yogi?

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

337 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:27pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

They were holding flippers.

338 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:45pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

* * *
Hi Loppy D. Sorry to hear there's no free solar or wind power for every girl & boy in the Northeast yet. Darn those Kennedys who won't allow it in their back yard.

Praying for quick power comeback.

339 eastvillageinfidel  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:54pm

Oh brother. Is this going to be the new 'selected not elected' or 'not my president' schtick ? Personally, I'm confident 0's words and actions as pres will give us all plenty of slogan fodder.

340 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #327 jorline

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:14pm

re: #332 debutaunt

George Carlin said that swallowing saliva over a long period of time causes death.

I believe the quote is.... Studies have found that saliva causes cancer. But only when swallowed in small quantities over long periods of time.

342 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:16pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

343 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:29pm

re: #336 FurryOldGuyJeans

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

LOL, right on!

344 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:32pm

re: #329 HoosierHoops

Another hour for work then I need to do a little Christmas Shopping..
What's not to like?

Was that missing a sarc tag? lol. Actually I am out of here myself soon. I spent most of the day working in the field. At least it was a decent day, just a little muddy after the rain last week and the warmer temps today.

345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:33pm

re: #335 albusteve

thanks for that...I was too lazy bro!

Don't Laze Me Bro!

346 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:38pm

re: #336 FurryOldGuyJeans

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

347 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:49pm

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

First of all, you can take your female rain and . . . it's been snowing all day.

Secondly, what about Juarez? Wanna go to Juarez with the father_of_10 crowd?

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:56pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

nom nom nom nom!

349 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

lmao

350 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #327 jorline

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

and always keep an eye out for the Goddess around here..I check my structure and spelling so she won't mark me down.

351 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:26pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

nom nom nom nom!

What?

352 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:36pm

I'm at work, and most of the links used here would get me put on a list somewhere. And not a good, happy-Santa kind of list. More like the bad little boys-shit list.

I need to win the lotto.

353 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:38pm

re: #338 alegrias

* * *
Hi Loppy D. Sorry to hear there's no free solar or wind power for every girl & boy in the Northeast yet. Darn those Kennedys who won't allow it in their back yard.

Praying for quick power comeback.

F the Kennedys. I'm sick of the whole lot of them.

354 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:42pm

re: #346 loppyd

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

Quite, there is not much else there!

355 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:43pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

no flesh?...

356 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:50pm

re: #346 loppyd

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

very ,,, if you look on the map of Mass, Orange is denoted by a small X

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:56pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

Huh?

358 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:58pm

re: #225 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

Oh, I'm sorry. It's just that I am (and apparently a lot of other people are) obsessive fact checkers. I really didn't know you meant it as a joke.

359 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:03pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!


LOL!

360 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:24pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

nom nom nom nom!

What? That's French for "Name, name, name, name?"

361 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:26pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

Making up for an absent girlfriend, eh? ;)

362 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:33pm

It's official...

Caroline Kennedy to seek Senate seat

Caroline Kennedy has evidently decided she wants U.S,. Senate seat from New York to be vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton who was chosen by President-elect BaracK Obama to be his secretary of State.

This is not a happy day for a lot of other New York Democrats like Rep. Carolyn Maloney or Andrew Cuomo, the state's attorney general, who have either openly said they want the seat or have been pushed for it.

I wonder how many cases of Canadian Whiskey it costs....

363 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:38pm

re: #345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't Laze Me Bro!

HOOOT!...that was just funny....HAHAHA...good one...ooofff

364 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:42pm

re: #339 eastvillageinfidel

Oh brother. Is this going to be the new 'selected not elected' or 'not my president' schtick ? Personally, I'm confident 0's words and actions as pres will give us all plenty of slogan fodder.

* * *
Ideally, folks will channel energy & support to loyal opposition Congressional candidates to oppose rubberstamping the crazier impulses.

365 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:50pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

did you make up the spare bedroom or living room floor?

366 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:00pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Huh?

Feh.

367 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:10pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

Either loud munching or a new Vedic yoga mantra.

368 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:14pm

re: #360 Walter L. Newton

What? That's French for "Name, name, name, name?"

or glutton for EAT EAT EAT EAT MORE MORE MORE MORE

369 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:18pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

I used to have a lab partner who thought it was cool to put all of the chemicals that we would use over the course of the class into one container at the end of the class. Normally it just turn some odd color or something. every once in a while it got pretty ugly.

370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:30pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

NOM NOM NOM!

371 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:36pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

Internet onomatopoeia for eating.
How do you like that, reloading! Now I'm giving definitions.

372 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:45pm

re: #246 Ben Hur

What was the gist?

Making his own news?

Was he really kidnapped, or was he "borrowed"- so they could give him instructions on what to do at the press conference. This was the question, because of a link yma posted about who was doing the protesting. Her link showed that the protesters were some of the same bunch who supposedly did the "kidnapping". I'm looking for it now... Here is her post. Was this whole thing a set up for protesting/rioting/whatever? Just some thoughts.

373 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:46pm

re: #334 davinvalkri
Damn it!
I'm not a stoner!

I'm A DRUNK!
Got it ?...........lol

374 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:49pm

re: #367 FurryOldGuyJeans

Either loud munching or a new Vedic yoga mantra.

Or he is gagging to death on something. Call 922.

375 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:02pm

re: #350 HoosierHoops

and always keep an eye out for the Goddess around here..I check my structure and spelling so she won't mark me down.

I think Charles should give goddess a red strike button. ;)

376 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:03pm

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

377 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:03pm

Keyboard test!

Oh, the joys of bluetooth!

378 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:06pm

re: #354 CapeCoddah

Quite, there is not much else there!

re: #356 sattv4u2

very ,,, if you look on the map of Mass, Orange is denoted by a small X

I'm guessing that neighboring town Cooleyhood doesn't live up to its name.

379 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:14pm

re: #286 jorline

bogart

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

380 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:37pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

Oh, I'm sorry. It's just that I am (and apparently a lot of other people are) obsessive fact checkers. I really didn't know you meant it as a joke.

I know, and that is why the humor worked so well; at least for me and FBV. ;)

381 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:52pm

re: #298 Creeping Eruption

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

Not just gay but kinky. I always knew they were hiding something by wearing their formal wear all the time.

382 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:55pm

re: #266 loppyd

Bunch of Sallies.

/ducking

What's a Sally?

383 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:00pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe the quote is.... Studies have found that saliva causes cancer. But only when swallowed in small quantities over long periods of time.

Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. — George Carlin, American stand-up comedian. Wikipedia:

384 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:19pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

The audience must have been stoned.

385 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:20pm

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

386 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:24pm

errrrr, that would be a "roach" ya know?

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:33pm

re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NOM NOM NOM!

Oh ouch! I have had that happen before.

388 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:03pm

re: #372 gop_patriot


Thanks, G.

O.P.

389 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:16pm

re: #378 loppyd

I'm guessing that neighboring town Cooleyhood doesn't live up to its name.

no ,, but interestingly Dudleyville is right next to Moores Corner and i'll bet he;'s never been to either!

390 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:28pm

re: #365 Eowyn2

did you make up the spare bedroom or living room floor?

Um, no. I get the worst sister in the world prize. I didn't know he had lost power until today. I didn't work Friday and didn't see his kids school listed as being canceled and the news coverage was of towns much further inland. But still. I feel baaaad.

391 geir  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:56pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

It's all a part of the testing for the interview. They are very serious about snow plow drivers up there.

392 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:59pm

re: #382 MandyManners

What's a Sally?

p*ssy

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:03pm

Oh, posted this earlier...seems to be a bunch of new folks in, so I will repeat...

So VeganBoy (offspring) and I go to see "The Day the Earth Stood Still" today. At the end, before the aliens leave, all of the electric/motorized/manufacturing stuff is disabled.

Credits are rolling, VeganBoy looks at me and says,

"We have taked ur lektrisiteez."

Great. LOL Aliens.

394 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:05pm

re: #385 Dianna

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

Wow, maybe man was descended from penguins and not monkeys after all.

395 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:07pm
396 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:24pm

re: #386 apachegunner


Don't scare the civilians.

397 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:30pm

re: #362 jcm

It's official...

Caroline Kennedy to seek Senate seat


I wonder how many cases of Canadian Whiskey it costs....

If an unqualified son of two Commies can become president, why can't the granddaughter of a liquor smuggler become a senator?

AMERICA!

398 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:35pm

re: #371 davinvalkri

Applause!
Put that joint out and get back to work! 0r what ever your doin!

399 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:41pm

re: #362 jcm

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:49pm

re: #383 debutaunt

Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. — George Carlin, American stand-up comedian. Wikipedia:

Oh. So Wikipedia is a better source than my failing memory? Meh.

401 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:51pm

re: #392 loppyd

p*ssy

Well, I have one.

402 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:21pm

re: #382 MandyManners

Probably some polite way of saying 'pussies'.

403 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:23pm

re: #385 Dianna

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

And just HOW would a nice lady like YOU know what he was doing?

404 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:27pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

I bet she's partied with a lot of her rich constituents.

405 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:33pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, I have one.

I didn';t know you have a cat!

406 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:35pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

/she's a lawyer

407 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:41pm
408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:43pm

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, posted this earlier...seems to be a bunch of new folks in, so I will repeat...

So VeganBoy (offspring) and I go to see "The Day the Earth Stood Still" today. At the end, before the aliens leave, all of the electric/motorized/manufacturing stuff is disabled.

Credits are rolling, VeganBoy looks at me and says,


Great. LOL Aliens.

I've heard its basically a global warming lovefest craptacular.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:58pm

re: #403 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Zipper was down on the tuxedo?

410 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:59pm

Several things really bother me about a lot of the lizards comparing "nirthers" to 9-11 troofers: The complete misapplication of the law, the complete mis-characterization of many of the facts (hey, gang, since when did you trust the MSM for accurate factual reporting?!), and the complete dismissal of some fairly well reasoned legal arguments.

The question is NOT whether Obama is a citizen, but rather whether he is a "NATURAL BORN" citizen. The rules are different. There is NO QUESTION that Obama is a citizen. The nirthers are questioning whether he's a NATURAL BORN citizen.

You'd think that this would be an easy question to answer, but it really isn't. In fact, it's messy, and for some reason, Obama's camp is keeping it that way. They could clean this up for $10 or $15 by ordering a certified copy of his long form birth certificate and posting it on the web. But they've done that, you say? Nope, they haven't (see below). Instead, they've chosen to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees to save that $10 or $15.

So, to plow on:

First, "natural born" MAY be measured by the laws in place at the time he was born, and under those laws, Obama is a natural born citizen ONLY if he (a) was born in Hawaii (likely) or (b) he was born to a US citizen who had been a resident of the US for 10 years, five of which were after that parent was 14.

The first is likely, but set that aside for the moment. Since Obama's mom was 18 when he was born, he couldn't qualify under the second test. However, there have been amendments and changes to the relevant laws, and it is an open question whether or not those amendments and changes had retroactive effect.

See, it gets messy.

Now, back to the first point (born in the US): Anyone who claims that Hawaii has vouched for Obama's released birth certificate is just flat-out wrong. They've drunk the MSM Kool-aide, which is just a parroting of what Obama's camp has said (i.e., flat out lies). The document Obama's camp released was NOT a birth certificate, it was a "Certificate of Live Birth." The COLB is a contemporaneously generated summary of the long form birth certificate. The released COLB doesn't even have all the fields filled in, and the race is listed as "African" (not a term used at the time of his birth). Odd, eh? Some nirthers have really latched onto this point. However, currently issued summaries probably use the more PC term "African" in place of the old term "negro."

Some lizards have said that Hawaii has vouched for the COLB (calling it a birth certificate). This is also flat-out wrong. All they have done is vouch for the existence of Obama's records because that is all they are allowed to do under the law (it's a privacy thing). Good enough, eh? Well, it is until you look at Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178, which allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.

Like I said, messy.

So am I a nirther? Nope. If a Hawaii official who had access to the real birth certificate saw "born in Kenya," he or she would probably find some way to get that information out there. This is why I am skeptical of the whole "natural born" issue. The likely scenario is that there is something else on there that is politically inconvenient, something embarrassing enough to justify the Obama camp weathering this mess and paying a ton of money to keep the actual birth certificate buried, but not something that would disqualify Obama.

That said, it really is disappointing the way a lot of you lizards are treating the issues, ignoring or misstating the actual facts and laws, buying into some of the outright lies from Obama's campaign parroted by the MSM, and generally treating some very smart people with some very real legal knowledge as if they were 9-11 troofers.

411 EmmmieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #376 littleO

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

Just for the record, this is not the LDS church president. It's a nutcase with 12 followers. There are actually more than one of these types. Nutcases inside Utah decide they are prophets. Nutcases outside of Utah get obsessed with nirth certifikits and become troofers.

412 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:02pm

re: #402 WriterMom

Probably some polite way of saying 'pussies'.

Yep. See No. 392.

413 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:07pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish.....total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

414 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:09pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

Really? Gives me another reason to watch the movie again...always liked Jack Nicholson.

415 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:21pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

I didn';t know you have a cat!

That, too.

416 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:25pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

he cant talk with his mouth full

417 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:38pm

re: #385 Dianna

With his flipper?
That sound like more work than it's worth!LOL

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:40pm

re: #408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, they never mention "GW"; just a "you're killing the earth".

419 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:44pm

re: #407 Ben Hur

Oh hell! Any more racial riots or anti-religion attacks?

420 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:46pm

re: #385 Dianna

Thanks for sharing that with us.

[CLUNK]

421 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:49pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, I have one.

Um. Yeah.

422 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:02pm

Via Hot Air....

Video: Blago, SEIU, and Card Check

The opponents of Card Check have seized on the discussions noted in the complaint against Rod Blagojevich between the disgraced governor of Illinois and an apparently high-ranking official of the SEIU. The discussions surrounded what the union could do for Blagojevich if he appointed someone that would do the union’s bidding — and that means a stalwart on the EFCA and the end of secret ballots. Workforce Fairness Institute has a web ad making the point that corruption surrounds the Card Check proposal, for good reason:

SEIU's Charity.....

The charity, launched by a scandal-ridden Los Angeles chapter of the Service Employees International Union, had total expenses of about $165,000 for 2005 and 2006, and all of the money went to consulting fees, insurance costs and other overhead, according to its Internal Revenue Service filings.
423 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:08pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

I dunno...the song was a Fraterity of Man thing....I think it may pecede the movie by a year or two

424 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:09pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Zipper was down on the tuxedo?

LOL

425 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:09pm

re: #404 MandyManners

Oooh-good one.

426 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:34pm

re: #403 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And just HOW would a nice lady like YOU know what he was doing?

It was rather hard to miss. Trust me.

I was laughing helplessly.

One of the other penguins turned to him as he evidently reached a peak and opened its beak and shook his head. It looked very much like the standing penguin was saying, "Stop it! You're making us look bad!"

427 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:36pm

re: #376 littleO

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

The Prophet of Parowan!

I'd say this guy has a little credibility. Doesn't he? At least he's a capitalist.

428 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:45pm

Penguins have penises? I thought they were birds.

My head hurts.

429 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:47pm

re: #413 loppyd

So, if she gets the seat, Teddy dies? Hmmm....

430 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:51pm

re: #421 loppyd

Um. Yeah.

I guess this now has gone beyond the typical boob thread.

431 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:53pm

re: #400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. So Wikipedia is a better source than my failing memory? Meh.

I've been repeating the saliva/death joke since I first heard it, and my memory has been totally reinforced with red meat!

432 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:46:10pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Can I see? Dogs always run up and sniff my legs and go crazy, but I'm not sure how cats would react.
/Yes, I know what she means by "pussy."

433 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:46:49pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

Hey, you seem pretty fucking knowledgeable and kooky enough, Why don't you go file a case instead of blathering here? Put up or shut up.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:09pm

re: #415 MandyManners

That, too.

Zsa Zsa Gabor is holding a cat on her lap on "The Tonight Show". Says to Johnny Carson....

Zsa Zsa... "Would you like to pet my pussy?"
Johnny... "Sure, if you'll move that damn cat out of the way."

435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:17pm