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Nirther Lawsuit Bites the Dust

US News | Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:33:50 am PST

And in other conspiracy theory news, the Supreme Court has rejected another lawsuit from the “Nirth Certifikit” crowd: Supreme Court rejects appeal questioning Obama’s citizenship.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Supreme Court has dismissed a second emergency appeal questioning Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president because he had dual British-American citizenship at birth.

The justices without comment on Monday refused to intervene in the November 4 presidential election, dismissing the claims of Cort Wrotnowski, a resident of Greenwich, Connecticut.

In his appeal, Wrotnowski claimed that because Obama’s father was a Kenyan-born British subject, the president-elect does meet the Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. His mother was a U.S. citizen, born in the United States.

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1 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:34:49am

Excellent.

2 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:35:11am

He really was born in Hawaii and not Kansas?

3 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:35:37am

"Et tu, supreme court?"
/troofer

4 bosforus  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:36:31am

George Noory working the controls today?

5 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:16am

Like the 9/11 Troofers-no amount of facts will make the BC folks call it quits.

6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:24am

Backers of the lawsuits exclaim "MAH BUHKETZ!"

7 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:41am

What a waste of Supremes time.

8 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:42am

Another House Of Cards falls flat.

9 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:38:49am

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

10 SWPaul  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:12am

Hell, illegal immigrants come here, give birth, and their children are US citizens. Obama was born in the country so yeah, he does meet the requirements. To fill out the day, I'll have to watch a documentary on Bigfoot today, Charles.

11 bloodnok  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:29am

This will probably embolden the nirthers. They are probably dying to make this into their own little gov't conspiracy.

12 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:41am

Just say no to drugs, NirthCertees.

13 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:45am

re: #8 jorline

Another House Of Cards falls flat.

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

/

14 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:40:14am

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

15 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:41:25am
16 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:20am

re: #9 faraway

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

Pardon?

Whose fear?

There's nothing to be curious about. Obama was born to an American citizen, that alone is sufficient. Second the State of Hawaii confirmed the validity of the Birth Certificate.

17 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:45am

re: #14 CapeCoddah

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

We can set up a Galactic Court and charge them $500 each to file a case.

$Change$

18 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:48am

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

19 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:00am

Nirthers will probably throw their shoes at the Supreme Court.

While I missed the other thread on the Arab world applauding the shoe thrower.....I mean OMG how impotent can you get! A shoe! We roll with Abrams and they roll with shoes.

20 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:11am

How many moving parts would it take for the nirther conspiracy to work? And does it involve time travel, as in going back to 1961 to plant a birth announcement in a Honolulu newspaper?

Or does it take a really strong cup of tea to generate an infinite improbability field?

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:26am
22 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:30am

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

23 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:39am

Just because a lawsuit was dismissed won't stop the silliness from being promulgated endlessly for at least the next 4 years. A fart takes but a second to foul the air, while getting rid of the stench takes much longer.

24 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:49am

The way the Big "0" acts, I think he was born in Chicago.
He's no Local Hawaiian Boy.

25 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:51am
26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:16am

re: #14 CapeCoddah

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

Our Messiah-King is a Citizen of the World, so yeah.

27 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:17am

re: #13 The Other Les

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

/

Hey, Les. How are you today?

Solution for troofers...prescribe Ambian, less time to think before falling asleep.

28 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:26am

YES! May all those "Obama birth" bastards just shut up already!
And stuiec, is that a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference?

29 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:42am

re: #9 faraway

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

Huh?!?!

30 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:50am

re: #18 WrathofG-d

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

Explain?

31 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:53am

Kilgore posted a copy of a sentence from AS last night. Totally stupid.

32 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:58am

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Finally. Everybody can be mad at SNL!

And the NY Post also I guess.

33 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:26am
34 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:37am

OK. Which one of you space aliens has been beaming idiot rays down to earth? I am amazed at the number of truly baffling stories on Drudge.

The world is going batshit insane.

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:43am

re: #18 WrathofG-d

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

Yet it doesn't automatically give it a veneer of a truth being denied either.

36 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:46:44am

re: #7 Creeping Eruption

What a waste of Supremes time.

I was pondering this morning where the Gitmo detainees could be tried if they end up being shipped into the USA. Do you suppose they could be tried directly by the Supreme Court? It would limit the number of potential leakers of classified data, eliminate the middlemen in the appeals process, and keep the Justices busy. Plus it might open the eyes of a Kennedy or Souter to the nature of the enemy America faces.

37 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:08am

re: #17 lifeofthemind

We can set up a Galactic Court and charge them $500 each to file a case.

$Change$

I'll bet that there are some guys in Nigeria who would be glad to handle the paperwork for a small fee.

38 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:37am

re: #23 FurryOldGuyJeans

A fart takes but a second to foul the air, while getting rid of the stench takes much longer.

Kant?

39 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:38am

re: #24 IslandLibertarian

The way the Big "0" acts, I think he was born in Chicago.
He's no Local Hawaiian Boy.

Ha. He just sought out the one place in America where his temperament and ambition would fit right in.

40 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:05am

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

When the Supreme Court decided issues in favor of President Bush in 2000, many people said--quite rightly--"the Court has spoken; enough already."

Unwelcome as many people may find the election of Barack Obama, the same response is appropriate.

Devolving into the right-of-center equivalent of the "selected, not elected" obsessives does nothing good for conservatives, for conservatism, or--more important--for the political culture of the nation.

This bullshit should never have been elevated to the level that it needed to be considered by the SCOTUS. Can you imagine the furor if some 9/11 troofer pushing a criminal conspiracy lawsuit that far?

41 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:06am

re: #38 Creeping Eruption

Kant?

Kan, but it may take air freshener.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:08am

Obama is going to be "in the cross-hairs" of "troofer" types for a while. May as well start the popcorn.

43 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:21am

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Finally. Everybody can be mad at SNL!

From the article.
Gov. Paterson didn't see the humor in a "Saturday Night Live" bit that mocked his blindness.
Did they really write this?

44 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:39am

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

45 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:48am

re: #11 bloodnok

This will probably embolden the nirthers. They are probably dying to make this into their own little gov't conspiracy.

Oh noes! Loose Nirth!

46 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:00am

... and there was no nirth in kooksville, mighty Berger had struck out.

47 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:20am

re: #28 davinvalkri

YES! May all those "Obama birth" bastards just shut up already!
And stuiec, is that a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference?

Yes, and a particularly cool and froody one, if I do say so myself.

48 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:28am

re: #27 jorline

Hey, Les. How are you today?

Solution for troofers...prescribe Ambian, less time to think before falling asleep.

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:47am

re: #43 kcladderman

Yeah, they did. I didn't even notice a "Oh Shit! I can't believe we're doing this, moment either.

I thought it would be impossible to offend me. I was "stunned" offended.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:49am

131 Killgore Trout

Another great quote from Pamela.....

It;s not only wbat you dteach but what you dont teach.

Edumacashun!

51 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:58am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

OT

Where are you?

52 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:03am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Caroline Kennedy will pursue the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton, sources tell CNN.

Almost as qualified as the POTUS elect.

53 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:21am

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Explain?

The SCOTUS refuses to hear approximately 80% (if not more) of the cases that are sent to them. They do so for various reasons, don't want to, don't have time, feel the issue has already been resolved, feel that there is no issue with the lower court's decisions, etc.

As it stands now, (I believe, I haven't really looked too much into it, nor read the link above) they are just refusing to hear it. Thus, we cannot act as if they have heard it and found it to be without merit.

54 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:23am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Well, if Obama can be elected President with the qualifications he has, she ought to be qualified to be Queen of the Western World.

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:38am

re: #38 Creeping Eruption

Kant?

I came up with that all on my own, or did some subconscious plagiarism of someone I have never read.

56 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:41am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Good ...maybe she will understand how Sarah Palin felt when the democrats were tearing her apart ...and she is more qualified than Caroline Kennedy for anything except maybe handing out medals for the Kennedy Center ...

Sorry for ranting but they really make me sick ...

57 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:52am

The chick on FOX just said Caroline's father held the NY Senate seat? It was her uncle, but hell all Kennedy's look alike.

58 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:56am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

That sucks!

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:57am

re: #43 kcladderman

The middle picture, is the actual clip.

60 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:07am

re: #35 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet it doesn't automatically give it a veneer of a truth being denied either.

Exactly! Although I don't believe there is merit to their claim, the SCOTUS denying to hear the case leaves it neutral.

61 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:10am

They plan to Take it to a higher power : The Hague

/

62 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:10am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

OT

Where are you?

I bet he isn't in his car :-)

63 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:15am

re: #36 stuiec

I was pondering this morning where the Gitmo detainees could be tried if they end up being shipped into the USA. Do you suppose they could be tried directly by the Supreme Court? It would limit the number of potential leakers of classified data, eliminate the middlemen in the appeals process, and keep the Justices busy. Plus it might open the eyes of a Kennedy or Souter to the nature of the enemy America faces.

As far as I know, there has only been one criminal trial directly to the Supremes.

64 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:20am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.

65 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:36am
66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:44am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

yay car!

67 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:44am

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:25am

re: #67 Racer X

Oops.

69 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:32am

re: #56 JacksonTn

Good ...maybe she will understand how Sarah Palin felt when the democrats were tearing her apart ...and she is more qualified than Caroline Kennedy for anything except maybe handing out medals for the Kennedy Center ...

Sorry for ranting but they really make me sick ...

Go ahead rant away. You make alot of sense!

70 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:37am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

71 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:18am

re: #53 WrathofG-d

The SCOTUS refuses to hear approximately 80% (if not more) of the cases that are sent to them. They do so for various reasons, don't want to, don't have time, feel the issue has already been resolved, feel that there is no issue with the lower court's decisions, etc.

As it stands now, (I believe, I haven't really looked too much into it, nor read the link above) they are just refusing to hear it. Thus, we cannot act as if they have heard it and found it to be without merit.

That's why I was asking. If you haven't looked into it, then you don't know if they looked over the case and were weighting merit or not.

So, it's an either/or situation for the moment.

72 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:20am

re: #67 Racer X

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

Oh the irony.

73 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:33am

re: #50 MandyManners

I had a good laugh at that one too :)

74 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:49am

re: #70 Thanos

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

Rubbing Alcohol.

75 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:00am

re: #70 Thanos

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

I blow dryer won't reach, use blow torch.

76 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:13am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

Rubbing Alcohol.

Pee on it?

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:27am

re: #70 Thanos

Ignore Thanos' advise. Stay in the house. Mix a strong drink. Go back to bed.

78 lookingup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:43am

There are many reasons why the Supreme Court will not accept a case. Not the least consideration it could overturn the will of the electorate. They would be very, very reluctant to do that. This issue has to be kicked screaming and kicking down the memory hole.

79 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

I blow dryer won't reach, use blow torch.

Hammer and cold-steel chisel? Crowbar? Sledgehammer?

80 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:44am
81 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:05am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

Rubbing Alcohol.

Do I drink it?

82 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:20am

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

What if she is a she?

83 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:25am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.


Your'e lucky your lips didn't freeze to it!

84 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:28am

re: #52 jorline

Caroline Kennedy will pursue the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton, sources tell CNN.

Almost as qualified as the POTUS elect.

Another linky now.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:33am

re: #60 WrathofG-d

Exactly! Although I don't believe there is merit to their claim, the SCOTUS denying to hear the case leaves it neutral.

Even if he were not born in Hawaii the virtue of having an American mother would be sufficient for some Constitutional lawyer to gin up Our Messiah-King being a citizen.

Occam's Razor makes it all too hard to swallow the convoluted BS the Nirthers are shoveling.

86 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:40am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

That works, but it drives the lubricant out of the lock.

87 Russkilitlover  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:44am

re: #22 lawhawk

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

Yet another good argument for Loser Pays.

88 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:49am

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yay car!

It's a 1998 Chevy Prizm, Toyota engine (I'm told by mechanic) and on 75 thousand on it. One owner (me), paid off a LONG time ago, and my mechanic says I'm due for a break job first and then clutch, but I'm don't going to die if I don't get those two items done right now (I couldn't afford it right now).

89 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:56am

Halp us Pamula, Nirth Certifikit is in trubble

90 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #81 faraway

Do I drink it?

One for the car, one for me. . . . No, pour it into the lock.

91 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:05am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

get a step ladder?

92 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:20am

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

That's why I was asking. If you haven't looked into it, then you don't know if they looked over the case and were weighting merit or not.

So, it's an either/or situation for the moment.

Yes. I wasn't saying that there was merit. In fact, I believe my original comment expressly stated that I wasn't weighing in on the merit of the issue. I personally don't believe there is.

I just know that some on this thread were going to use this refusal to hear the case as some sort of "proof" that there is no merit! I was attempting to resolve that issue before it began.

93 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:26am

re: #57 Nevergiveup

The chick on FOX just said Caroline's father held the NY Senate seat? It was her uncle, but hell all Kennedy's look alike.

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

94 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:30am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

Well the technique might be harder but the concept is the same.

95 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:45am

re: #63 Creeping Eruption

As far as I know, there has only been one criminal trial directly to the Supremes.

Which one was that?

And wouldn't the Gitmo detainees represent a special class of people who need unique handling?

I have no idea if it would be feasible to put them on trial in the Supreme Court, but it seems awfully risky to try them in any other existing Federal court.

96 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:00am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

OT

Where are you?

Minneapolis.

97 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:01am

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

...All are leaving Colorado in time for Christmas — joining a traditional holiday migration that will number almost 1 million people, says Mexico's interior ministry. But they have no intention of returning to Colorado, a place that promised prosperity.

Mexico's National Statistics and Geography Institute estimates that 814,000 Mexicans emigrated to the U.S. in 2006, compared to 1.2 million in 2007.

Arnal noted that Mexico's economy is growing, albeit modestly. Mexico's Treasury Department reported a 1.7 percent growth rate for the third quarter and forecasts 2 percent growth for the year.

But hard times, not tepid growth back home, are prompting some Colorado Mexicans to leave.

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

98 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:15am

re: #83 TaeJohnDo

Your'e lucky your lips didn't freeze to it!

For the scene in which Flick's tongue sticks to the flagpole, a hidden suction tube was used to safely create the illusion that his tongue had frozen to the metal.

99 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:22am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

Are yuh sure?

100 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:36am

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Yes. I wasn't saying that there was merit. In fact, I believe my original comment expressly stated that I wasn't weighing in on the merit of the issue. I personally don't believe there is.

I just know that some on this thread were going to use this refusal to hear the case as some sort of "proof" that there is no merit! I was attempting to resolve that issue before it began.

OK

101 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:40am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

Then don't wear heels when you do it -- not enough traction -- we don't want you to slip!

102 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:16am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

No JFK was the Senator from Mass when he ran. RFK was the Senator from NY. Teddy was given JFK's seat when he ascended to the Presidency.

103 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:22am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Really?

104 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:32am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

RFK was the senator from NY. JFK's offices (except Pres) were all Massachusetts (congress, then the senate)

105 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:59am

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

106 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:10am

re: #97 Racer X

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

...All are leaving Colorado in time for Christmas — joining a traditional holiday migration that will number almost 1 million people, says Mexico's interior ministry. But they have no intention of returning to Colorado, a place that promised prosperity.

Mexico's National Statistics and Geography Institute estimates that 814,000 Mexicans emigrated to the U.S. in 2006, compared to 1.2 million in 2007.

Arnal noted that Mexico's economy is growing, albeit modestly. Mexico's Treasury Department reported a 1.7 percent growth rate for the third quarter and forecasts 2 percent growth for the year.

But hard times, not tepid growth back home, are prompting some Colorado Mexicans to leave.

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

And I can't even afford to spend Christmas in Raton, New Mexico.

107 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:13am

re: #70 Thanos

I can unlock the passenger side but the damned thing won't open.

this was at about 0600, so I may be able to get it open now.

108 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:16am

You know, I was all "this is a troofer conspiracy" too, except for one thing: Obama's camp has spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers to keep from having to spend $10 or $15 to obtain and release a copy of his long form birth certificate (not the COLB, which is a summary of the long form, is missing many fields, uses "African" for race when that was not a term in use at the time, and could be obtain by a foreign national who filed to register their foreign birth with the State of Hawaii under a particular Hawaii statute). Could someone PLEASE explain why he would do that if there wasn't something there?! I still think that this whole thing is garbage, but I really can't come up with a reason for this expenditure. Maybe some smarter lizard than I can do so?

109 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:35am

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

you have stinky hot water ?

110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:46am

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

Hot water stinks? Where do you live? Is it a fishy smell?

111 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:48am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

112 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:00pm

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

Speak for yourself?
/ Asparagus anyone?

113 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:06pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

DOOHHHH!

114 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:09pm

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

115 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:09pm

re: #99 debutaunt

Are yuh sure?

JFK was Senator from Mass, Teddy took his seat when JFK was elected. RFK held the NY seat, which his niece is now going to occupy.

116 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:20pm

re: #95 stuiec

Which one was that?

And wouldn't the Gitmo detainees represent a special class of people who need unique handling?

I have no idea if it would be feasible to put them on trial in the Supreme Court, but it seems awfully risky to try them in any other existing Federal court.

I cannot for the life of me remember the name. If I remember correctly, it was at the turn of last century (around 1900). It was actually a criminal contempt trial against a Tennessee Sherriff (?) for allowing a mob to lynch a Black man accused of raping a White woman after the Court ordered the man (already convicted and sentenced to hang) held in custody and stayed the execution. I think it was a trial against those accused of lynching as well.

117 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:25pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

*rimshot*
ROFLMAO

118 badger1970  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:26pm

It's like screaming into a strong headwind. Nothing will come out of this (either side) except for a sore throat.

Talk about a waste of time and treasure (again on both sides).

119 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Hot water stinks? Where do you live? Is it a fishy smell?

AS a matter of fact...

120 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:34pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

Er, he can't get inside. But you understood that, right?

121 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:34pm

re: #114 Ben Hur

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

58 or 59, I beleive

122 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:45pm

re: #103 Dianna

Really?

That was at 6 AM.

123 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:07pm

re: #115 CapeCoddah

JFK was Senator from Mass, Teddy took his seat when JFK was elected. RFK held the NY seat, which his niece is now going to occupy.

I know - Big Steve was confused.

124 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:17pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley, a sleet storm had covered the drivers side of my car with about a quarter inch of ice. So I get in the car on the passenger side and get it started. I sit for a while as it heats up.
Soon, it is nice and toasty inside and I rolled down the drivers side window, thinking that would break up the ice there. It didn't, but it left me with an intact ice window.
So I look at my friend sitting next to me and say, "Cool, I've always wanted to do something like this" and I fling my left arm against the ice window and smash it to bits.
At which time all the accumulated snow above the window fell into my lap.

125 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:24pm

re: #108 MoonbatBane

You know, I was all "this is a troofer conspiracy" too, except for one thing: Obama's camp has spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers to keep from having to spend $10 or $15 to obtain and release a copy of his long form birth certificate (not the COLB, which is a summary of the long form, is missing many fields, uses "African" for race when that was not a term in use at the time, and could be obtain by a foreign national who filed to register their foreign birth with the State of Hawaii under a particular Hawaii statute). Could someone PLEASE explain why he would do that if there wasn't something there?! I still think that this whole thing is garbage, but I really can't come up with a reason for this expenditure. Maybe some smarter lizard than I can do so?

Can you explain why there was an announcement of birth in their local paper? Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?

126 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:28pm

re: #96 The Other Les

Minneapolis.

SO thats why the west wind (20-30 mph) brought my temps down to a toasty 5 degrees this morning.

127 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:30pm

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

Er, he can't get inside. But you understood that, right?

Details Details Details

128 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:32pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

No JFK was the Senator from Mass when he ran. RFK was the Senator from NY. Teddy was given JFK's seat when he ascended to the Presidency.

meant RFK sorry, my mistake.

129 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:35pm

re: #107 The Other Les

I can unlock the passenger side but the damned thing won't open.

this was at about 0600, so I may be able to get it open now.

If you have automatic trunk opener you can try popping it and crawlling in through the back if the seat drop down

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

My brother, who works as the bean counter for a car dealership, came by the house the other day with a car that has remote starting, so that ain't all that improbable.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Yep. Been there. Done that.

132 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:05pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

133 Russkilitlover  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:14pm

re: #67 Racer X

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

134 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:19pm

re: #121 sattv4u2

58 or 59, I beleive

Ah.

OK.

The first Settler President!

FREE HAWAII!

135 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:56pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

This is a self-correcting problem. Just wait until May, June at the latest.

136 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:58pm

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

This is a job for....Al Gore!

Why hasn't someone photoshopped him into a Super-Hero bodysuit?

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #129 Thanos

If that happens to you. Ignore Thanos' advise. Go back inside. Pull the covers back over your head. Go back to sleep.

Dang it, Thanos!?

138 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:28pm

re: #111 Shug

How's he gonna start the car if he can't open the door!?
Maybe try directed heat, like a hair dryer, cordless?
If you've got a flamethrower you can try that.

139 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:28pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

It's impossible for that to have happened! Let me get out my roll of chicken wire - hang on...

140 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:38pm

There was never, ever any chance that the Court would overturn an election based on a dubious reading of the Constitution. With Mexican illegals poping out anchor babies while they are waiting in line to be deported, it was somewhat insane to think that Obama's citizenship could be in doubt.

His qualifications to be President, OTOH, are an entirely different matter. But that's not in the Court's hands, either.

141 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

Wait for spring

142 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:44pm

re: #114 Ben Hur

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

21 August 1959.

143 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:04:30pm

Interesting item at Michelle Malkin:

Kidnapped Iraqi reporter freed, says no ransom paid
19 Nov 2007 13:33:27 GMT
Source: Reuters
BAGHDAD, Nov 19 (Reuters) - An Iraqi TV journalist who was kidnapped last week in a busy Baghdad neighbourhood said he was released unharmed before dawn on Monday.

Muntazer al-Zaidi, a correspondent for the independent al- Baghdadiya television station, said he spent more than two days blindfolded, barely eating and drinking, after armed men forced him into a car as he walked to work on Friday morning in the bustling Bab al-Sharji area of central Baghdad.

“My release is a miracle. I couldn’t believe I was still alive,” Zaidi, 28, told Reuters by telephone.

Zaidi said the kidnappers had beaten him until he lost consciousness. They used his necktie to blindfold him and bound his hands with his shoelaces.

He never learned the identity of the kidnappers, who questioned him closely about his work but did not demand a ransom.

The captors later told Zaidi he would be released, throwing him on to a dark street, still blindfolded, around 3 a.m. (0000 GMT) on Monday. He was then picked up by his brother.

At least 122 journalists and 41 media support staff have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists. About 85 percent of those killed were Iraqis.

Some Iraqi journalists have been targeted by Sunni Arab militants or by Shi’ite militias. Others have been killed by U.S. forces while reporting. (Reporting by Waleed Ibrahim; Writing by Missy Ryan; Editing by Richard Balmforth)

Iraqi journalist hurls shoes at ‘dog’ Bush
Dec 14 02:36 PM US/Eastern

An Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes and an insult at George W. Bush, without hitting him, as the US president was shaking hands with the Iraqi premier at his Baghdad office on Sunday.

As the two leaders met in Nuri al-Maliki’s private office, a journalist sitting in the third row jumped up, shouting: “It is the farewell kiss, you dog,” and threw his shoes one after the other towards Bush.

Maliki made a protective gesture towards the US president, who ducked and was not hit.

The journalist, Muntazer al-Zaidi from Al-Baghdadia channel which broadcasts from Cairo, was frogmarched from the room by security staff, an AFP journalist said.

Coincidence?

144 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:04:34pm

re: #135 stuiec

No emissions, too. The Goracle would be proud!

145 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:22pm

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

146 Wishing  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:24pm

I heard this on the radio today: Chicago Tribune blew open the Blago case before the Feds could catch the actual sale.
Guy said that the Trib was helping the Feds since Oct

147 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:26pm

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

148 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:32pm

re: #122 The Other Les

That was at 6 AM.

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

149 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:50pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley...

Wow, memories. When I was 14, on a boy scout trip from new Jersey, cross country, we stopped at Ft. Riley for the night. Food was really good in the mess, and the barracks were comfortable. Saw a movie that night in the theatre.

The only scary thing was, an officer gave us an orientation on the base and some safety stuff and he went through this whole thing about tornado's and ditches and not getting sucked up to Oz.

He man, this was Kansas, I was from the East coast, this was scary.

Of course, since then, I've gone directly through two tornados, not problemo.

150 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

Yet another proof that Globull Warming is beyond doubt happening, and the humans are responsible for it.

Bad humans, bad!

151 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:03pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley, a sleet storm had covered the drivers side of my car with about a quarter inch of ice. So I get in the car on the passenger side and get it started. I sit for a while as it heats up.
Soon, it is nice and toasty inside and I rolled down the drivers side window, thinking that would break up the ice there. It didn't, but it left me with an intact ice window.
So I look at my friend sitting next to me and say, "Cool, I've always wanted to do something like this" and I fling my left arm against the ice window and smash it to bits.
At which time all the accumulated snow above the window fell into my lap.

Am I a bad person for laughing?

152 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:30pm

re: #134 Ben Hur

Ah.

OK.

The first Settler President!

FREE HAWAII!

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

153 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:00pm

re: #148 Dianna

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

154 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:01pm

re: #135 stuiec

This is a self-correcting problem. Just wait until May, June at the latest.

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

155 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:30pm

re: #147 DistantThunder

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

I don't see what he could contribute. There weren't and teeny-boppers in the video that I could see.

156 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:42pm
157 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:57pm

re: #146 Wishing

I heard this on the radio today: Chicago Tribune blew open the Blago case before the Feds could catch the actual sale.
Guy said that the Trib was helping the Feds since Oct

Next time 3 Wood is here, talk to him about it. He has lots of insight re: the Trib in all this. According to him, the Trib had a deal with Fitzgerald to sit on this even longer than they did

158 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:59pm

re: #148 Dianna

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

I have to try again.

159 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:59pm

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

160 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:14pm

re: #97 Racer X

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

He's been in this country since he was a teenager, nearly 20 years, and he still thinks of Mexico as his country? These are not your grandparents' immigrants (or your immigrant grandparents).

161 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:26pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

250 mile long extension cord?

162 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:31pm

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

Heat the key with a lighter.

163 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:08pm

re: #22 lawhawk

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

Of course they won't. Conspiracy theorists don't care about the truth - they care about drawing attention to themselves. And filing bat-shit-crazy suits with the Supreme Court is one sure way to make people stare at you.

I don't even understand the basis of this suit. If you're born on US soil, you're a natural-born US citizen. End of story. Your parent's nationality doesn't mean jack.

I really hope the courts start levying fines against these butt puckers. Then they can sit in their mom's basements and get together on a forum to whine to each other about their sad, miserable lives, and the rest of us can go back to ignoring them.

164 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:19pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

Well everyone knows not to eat the yellow snow don't they?

165 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:24pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Heat the key with a lighter.

He said the locks still worked, the door itself was frozen solid.

166 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:33pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

Extension cord.

167 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:49pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

168 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:13pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

South Park has shown him with a cape, in would-be superhero mode.

I've not watched that in ages.

169 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:22pm

re: #158 The Other Les

I have to try again.

Do you have a blow dryer, or a neighbor with one? If so, plug into the nearest outlet, use an extension cord, and it will work.

170 bmorte  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:24pm

re: #125 Outrider

Can you explain why there was an announcement of birth in their local paper? Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?

I thought we weren't going to discuss this again. But while we are on the topic... When my children were born I put notices in the paper where I grew up even though I had not lived there in years. Grandparents do it all the time, too.

171 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:37pm

re: #166 Dianna

Extension cord.

I was being silly. Sorry. Lack of happy Lizards here today. Maybe being poor and stupid like me has it's advantages.

172 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:39pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

ESPECIALLY with your tongue

[Link: thefuntimesguide.com...]

173 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:50pm

re: #158 The Other Les

I have to try again.

Be careful about getting too much heat on the glass parts, the lock mechanisms & handles are lower anyway. You don't want your window to crack.
Don't try boiling water.

This is learned from 20 years of watching neighbors wreck their cars trying to get doors unfrozen in Fairbanks, hair dryers work great but take a bit of patience.

174 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:01pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

Even if the car is unstoppable, it helps if you can get the door open.

175 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:19pm

re: #160 doppelganglander

He's been in this country since he was a teenager, nearly 20 years, and he still thinks of Mexico as his country? These are not your grandparents' immigrants (or your immigrant grandparents).

Exactly.

Immigrants have been treating America like a whore.

Good riddance!

176 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:50pm

re: #97 Racer X

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Oh, now I get it. The market meltdown and the recession are part of a big conspiracy to trick all the illegals into leaving voluntarily. Then, when they're all gone - SLAM THE BORDER SHUT BEHIND THEM.
//

177 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:51pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Heat the key with a lighter.

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.

178 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:10pm

re: #136 MandyManners

Why hasn't someone photoshopped him into a Super-Hero bodysuit?

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

179 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:23pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

oh...OH!

180 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:52pm

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

181 AreaMan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:54pm

If the conspiracy is deep enough, Obama himself might not know where he was born. He was only told. You don't actually remember your birth do you? Your parents told you where you were born, and you foolishly believed them.

In fact, how do you know they're your parents? Did you test their DNA?

The day after he's sworn in, the secret conditioning in Obama's brain will kick in and he'll press the Big Nuclear Button. Or maybe the "Alien" will pop out of his chest...

And how do you know he's really black? They can Photoshop TV these days, plus, makeup and skin dye have been available for centuries.

-----
If the car is still frozen shut, you can pour boiling water over the lock.

182 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:05pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

try all the doors - I had to crawl through the car to open my drivers side.

183 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:07pm

re: #177 Dianna

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.


Why? Does it feel cheap and used?

184 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #177 Dianna

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.

I was speaking about the lock itself.

185 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:24pm
186 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:34pm

re: #178 SixDegrees

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

Oh, ick. Just, ick.

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:41pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

They now sell cars with remote starting so it ain't all that improbable.

188 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:45pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

Uh .... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

189 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:51pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

Volkswagen. The original Beetle.

190 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:52pm

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

I was being silly. Sorry. Lack of happy Lizards here today. Maybe being poor and stupid like me has it's advantages.

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrrrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

191 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

Should be used to that , being from Nicaragua.

192 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:22pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

Before you defrost the car doors and start the engine, don't forget to put a potato in the exhaust pipe. This is essential.

Not a banana?

193 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:27pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

Humor comes hard for lizards, I have a theory that it's those weird lids in their reptilian eyes.

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog

Uh .... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

Charleston, WV.

195 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:37pm
196 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:38pm

Electric blanket

197 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:14pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

DON'T KEEEEL HIM!

198 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:16pm

re: #108 MoonbatBane

A reason I could think of for not releasing the BC, aside from the distraction factor, is the possibility that the actual BC recorded the religion, as reported by the parent(s) at the time of birth, and if that became public, it could have seriously wounded his campaign.

199 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:19pm

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog

Uh .... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

Oh yeah, discount the trivia, you truther! ;)

200 lookingup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:22pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

Before you defrost the car doors and start the engine, don't forget to put a potato in the exhaust pipe. This is essential.

Laughing out loud, it causes restriction and the engine warms up quicker. lol

201 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:38pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

Depending upon ... er ... well, you know ... prior events, an emergency circumcision might be necessary.

202 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:00pm

re: #93 Big Steve

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

203 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:03pm

You can pour either anti freeze or window washer fluid around the door, just take it to a car wash afterward.

204 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:14pm

Wasssssup Lizard Nation?

205 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:15pm

re: #193 Thanos

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

206 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:29pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Yup.

207 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #147 DistantThunder

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

Sanchez is a dick with ears.

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:43pm

re: #193 Thanos

Humor comes hard for lizards, I have a theory that it's those weird lids in their reptilian eyes.

Lieutenant Steven Hauk: I understand you're pretty funny as a dee-jay and, well, comedy is kind of a hobby of mine. Well, actually, it's a little more than just a hobby, Reader's Digest is considering publishing two of my jokes.

-Good Morning Vietnam.

209 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:47pm

re: #190 Dianna

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrrrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

You can't bring in a space heater?

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:04pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Why bother trying to open the door when you can just crawl through the trunk?

211 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:15pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Yes!
So what's you point!?

212 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:19pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

Lt Gov in Maryland I think. A Kathleen Townsend or something like that.

213 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

That's not true. Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.

214 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:28pm

re: #178 SixDegrees

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

215 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #207 opnion

Sanchez is a dick with ears.

I got both a dick and 2 ears?

216 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

Let me start by being very clear. I have no doubt that Obama is eligible to be president.

I think for me the problem i am having is that this is the first time i have heard you could be president without establishing your basic eligibility. I guess i assumed that sometime before taking the oath of office, they required you to show proof you were eligible.

Now, this is where the lawyer in me comes out big time. there is a difference between process and outcomes. of course there are alot of people who confuse the two. Al Franken, for instance, is confusing what the right process for counting votes with the outcome he is seeking. And both sides are susceptible to this. But some of us do respect process in and of itself and on this, well, just as we should be forced to prove who we are before we vote, shouldn't we require a person to prove where he was born before becoming president?

And in law we have the concept of the "best evidence rule." So what is the best evidence of his place of birth? an old newspaper? a newly created birth certificate?

No. An original. And if it is missing, or whatever, then and only then we go to these other sources.

The other sources are solid enough to believe him if we can't produce the original birth certificate, but still I want to either 1) see that best evidence or 2) have an explanation as to why that best evidence is not available. This is truly not about outcomes, but about process. As a matter of good process, we should always see that birth certificate.

And I'll go as far as to say I don't mind if Obama is seated without having produced it. To suddenly apply the rule now would raise concerns of selective application of the rules if we said it the first time with him. i am reminded of when they tried to seat the first black senator, hiriam revels. A number of, well, rednecks, objected saying he was not qualified. Why? The argument was both evil and ingenius. It went like this. Under Dredd Scott, no black man could be a citizen. Now, of course, the 14th A overturned this, but this was 1870, so that was only 2 years ago. A senator had to be a citizen for longer than 2 years, thus Mr. Revels couldn't be a senator. The arguments on the other side were interesting. the first was that Dred Scott was never good law in the first place so in fact he was always a citizen, the 14th A only made that crystal clear. The second was to say "how do we know he was black?"--pointing out, for instance, he was only 1/8 black. and the third was to say, "you guys didn't raise this concern when we were admitting citizens of texas into congress, so why the sudden concern?" (after all, Texas was its own country at one point and thus a texan is not typically going to be a citizen of the US, too.)

So let's give Obama a walk. Yeah, in part because he is black, because I fear that racism might be behind some of this, or that it might be otherwise outcome driven (as in, we fear he will be a disaster--and mind you, i share that fear). and that walk, as far as i am concerned, goes all the way to (god help us) if he is reelected. But still, going forward, shouldn't we see the BC, at least going forward?

As a matter of process, i say yes.

217 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

He was/is a Sandinista. Consider the source.

218 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:51pm

re: #168 MandyManners

I've not watched that in ages.

South Park has slammed Gore mercilessly in several episodes. See, in particular, "ManBearPig" and "Imaginationland," which both feature him in self-delusional superhero mode.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ever since these episodes aired, my kids have though Al Gore is a total idiot. They snicker whenever his name is mentioned.

So South Park is high on my educational television list.

219 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:54pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

I suspect it did, but it's all Les' fault. It's a conspiracy, he doesn't want us mocking the nirth certers or something.....


///

220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:56pm

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

Ever listen to Rick Roberts? He runs a report "This week in Mexico". Unless you want to end up raped, robbed, extorted, kidnapped, murdered or all of the above, you do not go to Mexico for any reason.

221 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:38pm

re: #212 Nevergiveup

Yes! That sounds right. Thanks.

222 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:47pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Rub your boobs on the door.

Now this is a boob thread :)

223 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:52pm

Easy way to NEVER deal with frozen doors !
GARAGE!
My work truck is always frozen tho...!I just pull really hard !
Is no my trock!

224 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:56pm
225 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:01pm

re: #213 doppelganglander

That's not true. Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

226 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:19pm

re: #219 Thanos

Hell, LIFE IS A CONSPIRACY OF A BILLION BILLION CELLS!
Well, technically it is--I mean losing a few million of those could cause som pretty bad injury.

227 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:58pm

OBAMA REVIEW DONE; RELEASE NEXT WEEK

"At the direction of the President-elect, a review of Transition staff contacts with Governor Blagojevich and his office has been conducted and completed and is ready for release. That review affirmed the public statements of the President-elect that he had no contact with the governor or his staff, and that the President-elect's staff was not involved in inappropriate discussions with the governor or his staff over the selection of his successor as US Senator.

"Also at the President-elect's direction, Gregory Craig, counsel to the Transition, has kept the US Attorney's office informed of this fact-gathering process in order to ensure our full cooperation with the investigation.

"In the course of those discussions, the US Attorney's office requested the public release of the Transition review be deferred until the week of December 22, in order not to impede their investigation of the governor. The Transition has agreed to this revised timetable for release."

/but who's going under the bus?

228 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:03pm

re: #204 loppyd

Wasssssup Lizard Nation?

We're freezing our butts off.

229 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:08pm

I would like to watch al bore blow up from eating too much re: #214 Son of the Black Dog

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

230 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:17pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (RFK's oldest daughter) was Lt. Gov. in Maryland and ran unsuccessfully for Congress.

231 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:27pm

I think she looks like John Kerry with long hair.

232 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:28pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

He was suspended by the Vatican in the 1980s together with two other priests involved in the Sandinista revolution, Ernesto and Fernando Cardenal. During a visit to Central America, Pope John Paul II publicly reprimanded him for his political activities.

233 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:53pm

re: #210 FurryOldGuyJeans

People who have a trunk latch to lower the back seat usually are not aware of it!
Had a car thief get in that way once!

234 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:53pm

re: #206 Creeping Eruption

Yup.

Burn the nirth cert for the heat to get the door open.

Now we can move on to the next topic.

Any suggestions? I'd recommend a new boob thread but I'm at work and it's be a bust for me if I did ....

235 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:54pm

re: #143 Ben Hur

Interesting item at Michelle Malkin:

Coincidence?

yma o hyd and I were talking about this 'coincidence' on an earlier thread this morning.

236 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:58pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.

you only got down to a -16, it was -15 here at 8 am. somewhere in the -20s during the night. I unfroze everything yesterday.

237 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:59pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/no, I did not make this up

LOL

238 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:10pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Am I a bad person for laughing?

Not at all. My friend and I laughed about it for weeks.

239 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:13pm

re: #222 faraway

No boobs. :) or :(?
Well, it's not me that has a frozen car door...or a frozen car...or a car...
HEY OBAMA! FREE CARS FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS! WHADAYA THINK!

/not really.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:14pm

re: #225 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

Sacramento is not the largest city in Kentucky.

241 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:18pm

re: #215 Nevergiveup

I got both a dick and 2 ears?

That would be the proper count.

242 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:05pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/Shopping Penguin

243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:14pm

re: #12 MrSilverDragon

Just say no to drugs, NirthCertees.

Or yes, if the drug in question is Prozac.

244 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:19pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Patently wrong.

In 33 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently not the state's most populous city.
245 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:23pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

You couldn't have them come by and pick you up, could you?

246 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:34pm

re: #235 gop_patriot


What was the gist?

Making his own news?

247 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:37pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So where do I go for my next fullauto assault rifle ?
Ah,Ah, tell me that ! Hummmm?

248 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:44pm

re: #216 A.W.

Omigosh. That was a lot words to spend saying you still think there's a conspiracy.

Nirth cert certed by Hawaii in the form of a state offical. Good enough.

Now if you are a lawyer, and you think you have a freakin case .... knowing so much about the law as you must, being a lawyer and all.. .GO FILE AND PRESS your case, so we can laugh at you like we are Berger, bergman, or whoever the fruitcake is.

249 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:45pm

Hey, did you guys know that throwing shoes is a sign of contempt? Really! I just heard about it on the TV.

And all this time I thought the guy was just trying to hurt GWB.

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:03pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

Killian. There are millions of videos on YouTube. I'd love to hear how you found this one. Really. How?

251 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:05pm

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sacramento is not the largest city in Kentucky.

At least you get what I was trying to do...throwing out some ABSURD conspiracy trivia BS to have some fun with the general topic of the thread. ;)

252 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:06pm

re: #247 reloadingisnotahobby

Africa. I'm sorry.

253 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:14pm

re: #204 loppyd

LOPPS!

254 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:20pm

But in how many states is the capitol the most funkadelic city?

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:49pm

re: #244 lawhawk

Patently wrong.

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)

256 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:55pm

re: #214 Son of the Black Dog

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

Storing up fat so he can slumber through spring.

257 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:09pm

re: #204 loppyd

Wasssssup Lizard Nation?

Hey Loppy, how is it goin?

258 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:17pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog


Boston MAss

Uh .... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charleston, WV.

259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:23pm

re: #247 reloadingisnotahobby

So where do I go for my next fullauto assault rifle ?
Ah,Ah, tell me that ! Hummmm?

Oh, full auto. I thought you wrote something completely different. Think Monica Lewinsky...

260 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:35pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

That's why we're lizards and not stoner moonbats!

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

262 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:02pm

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Killian. There are millions of videos on YouTube. I'd love to hear how you found this one. Really. How?

/RedEye, Planet Unicorn too

263 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:12pm

re: #260 davinvalkri

That's why we're lizards and not stoner moonbats!

thats right ,,,, HEY ,DUDE ,,,, , you gonna Bogart that joint, or what !?!?!

264 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:25pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!

I hope everyone had an excellent weekend and that this Monday finds you well and happy.

265 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:34pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)


I think what he meant to say was "In 17 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently the state's most populous city."

266 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:37pm

re: #228 MandyManners

We're freezing our butts off.

Bunch of Sallies.

/ducking

267 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:42pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

/Shopping Penguin

I wonder what happened to the sea gull in Scotland which would dart into a market and make off with a bag of Cheetos.

268 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:44pm

re: #244 lawhawk

It states " Populous" not popular? Hmmm...I wonder if that's a trend ?

269 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:52pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

Is this another veterinarian inspired homosexual innuendo?

270 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:57pm

re: #259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL. I caught that.

Fullautio: the real bail out of the auto industry.

BWAHAHAHAHA

271 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #265 TaeJohnDo

I think what he meant to say was "In 17 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently the state's most populous city."

But 57 - 33 is 24!

272 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:11pm

re: #257 CapeCoddah

Hey Loppy, how is it goin?

Hey there! Good. Busy.

You?

273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:13pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

AHEM! It was just some conspiracy trivia humor trying to use Hawaii as a springboard, since that is in part the topic of the thread.

Only one person "got it," yeesh.

274 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:23pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/no, I did not make this up

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

275 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:35pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

276 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:52pm

re: #271 Silhouette

But 57 - 33 is 24!


I am humbled by your math skills.

277 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:58pm

YOU

278 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:09pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

I think that would be vastly preferable to snorting the damn things. ;)

279 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:21pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

thats right ,,,, HEY ,DUDE ,,,, , you gonna Bogart that joint, or what !?!?!

got a joint?

280 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:24pm

re: #268 reloadingisnotahobby

It states " Populous" not popular? Hmmm...I wonder if that's a trend ?

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

281 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:31pm

I'm going out to try it again.

282 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:44pm

re: #272 loppyd

Hey there! Good. Busy.

You?

Same here, how did you fare in that storm? Everything OK?

283 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:46pm

re: #277 Ben Hur

ACCHHHHH

MY EEEEEYYYEEES

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:49pm

re: #262 Killian Bundy

/RedEye, Planet Unicorn too

Just wow.

285 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:59pm

re: #264 Ford_Prefect

Good Afternoon Lizards!

I hope everyone had an excellent weekend and that this Monday finds you well and happy.


Good afternoon Ford..Hope today finds you well.

286 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:01pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

bogart

287 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:04pm

re: #190 Dianna

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrrrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

Have you seen my toes?
I can't feel them anymore.

288 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:12pm

re: #277 Ben Hur

YOU

wtf is that?

289 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:12pm

re: #226 davinvalkri


It helps your perspective if you consider life to be a fatal sexually transmitted disease.

290 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:34pm

re: #288 loppyd

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

291 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:35pm

re: #283 WriterMom

If it makes you feel any better, those pants can't be offering much protection to his testes. Punch him hard!

292 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:36pm

re: #252 davinvalkri
Aaaah! One word ....PIRATES!

293 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:42pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

Nah, not Fitchburg, Orange!

294 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:46pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

GOD ,,, you're young !

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

295 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:48pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

It helps your perspective if you consider life to be a fatal sexually transmitted disease.

Life is the leading cause of death.

296 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:56pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

Were the penguins seen at Fire Island or were their opinions on Judy Garland pro-offered? That would be one way to tell.
NTTATWWT.

297 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:14pm

re: #291 davinvalkri

Uh-no-somehow I don't think that will make me feel better.

298 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:14pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

299 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:15pm

re: #256 jorline

Storing up fat so he can slumber lumber through spring.

Fixed

300 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:30pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

LOL

301 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:32pm

re: #259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
?LOL?

302 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:35pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops

Good afternoon Ford..Hope today finds you well.

It does. And you?

303 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:58pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

heh...the bodies pile up dont they?...

304 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:59pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

* * * *
Ugh, that was Kathleen Townshend Kennedy who was Lt. Governor of Maryland until Michael Steele (R) won her job for one term, when this Ms. Kathleen Townsend Kennedy ran for governor of Maryland with John McCain's former Naval Academy roommate, Chuck Larson.

305 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:04pm

re: #286 jorline

bogart


It's a tough job keeping the masses informed Jorline..:)

306 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:06pm

re: #296 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Were the penguins seen at Fire Island or were their opinions on Judy Garland pro-offered? That would be one way to tell.
NTTATWWT.

No, I guess one of them were doing a Striesand impersonation. Did you see that one penguin's beak?

307 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:07pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

I started gradually, but I think we all agree now that if we find Obama's birth certificate, we are going to hold a lighter to it and after it's been properly disposed of, douse it with boiling water.

308 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:23pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

Buy the book, Bar Mitzvah Disco.

309 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:40pm

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

No, I guess one of them were doing a Striesand impersonation. Did you see that one penguin's beak?

He was jewish?

310 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:45pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

You can't get there from here...

311 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:50pm

re: #299 Son of the Black Dog

Fixed

That will work too.

312 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:51pm

re: #295 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not "death" is the leading cause of death?

313 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:55pm

re: #293 CapeCoddah

Nah, not Fitchburg, Orange!

Orange ,.,,,,, gateway to Athol!

314 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:59pm

re: #282 CapeCoddah

Same here, how did you fare in that storm? Everything OK?

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

315 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:01pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

Well, they are rather formally dressed. Aren't hetero male birds usually wearing old sweatshirts with holes in them?

316 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:09pm

re: #307 CyanSnowHawk

I started gradually, but I think we all agree now that if we find Obama's birth certificate, we are going to hold a lighter to it and after it's been properly disposed of, douse it with boiling water.

I'd just make water on it and then throw a shoe at it.

317 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:11pm

re: #249 father_of_10

Hey, did you guys know that throwing shoes is a sign of contempt? Really! I just heard about it on the TV.

And all this time I thought the guy was just trying to hurt GWB.

unless you're at an alternative rock concert. throwing your shoes on the stage shows full approval of band.

318 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:19pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

to not share

319 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:27pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Orange ,.,,,,, gateway to Athol!

LOL, that urban paradise...

320 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:41pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

Don't Bogart that joint my friend ...pass it over to me........

321 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:47pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Orange ,.,,,,, gateway to Athol!

Orange is always on the news when it's cold - to make a point.

322 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:58pm

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just wow.

Found Happy Tree Friends on my own though.

/Ren & Stimpy's evil twin

323 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:09pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

Nah, just rain and wind here. Thankfully!

324 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:12pm

re: #298 Creeping Eruption

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

Right. I know that, I have had birds and raised them for years. And you just made my point. You had more "science" in your two sentences than that whole article.

The article was bullshit and the people at the zoo who reacted the way they did need to slack off on eating as much bark as they are doing.

What a bunch of earth-munchers.

325 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:30pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

Well if I know Bogart the actor, I can't be THAT young!
(goddamn hippies co-opting the badasses of the 1930s...)

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:32pm
327 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:35pm

re: #305 HoosierHoops

It's a tough job keeping the masses informed Jorline..:)

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

328 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:43pm

re: #321 loppyd

Orange is always on the news when it's cold - to make a point.

I spent a week there one night !@

329 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:15pm

re: #302 Ford_Prefect

It does. And you?


Another hour for work then I need to do a little Christmas Shopping..
What's not to like?

330 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:15pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

When was this Yogi?

331 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:27pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

God, I'm sorry too hear that.!LOL!

332 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:36pm

re: #295 FurryOldGuyJeans

Life is the leading cause of death.

George Carlin said that swallowing saliva over a long period of time causes death.

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:39pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

Only a week?

334 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:44pm

re: #320 reloadingisnotahobby

Sorry, I'm a lizard, not a stoner. I get my kicks licking frogs!
...Ok, not really, I'm crazy enough as it is.

335 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:55pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't Bogart That Joint

-Little Feat

thanks for that...I was too lazy bro!

336 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:25pm

re: #330 loppyd

When was this Yogi?

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

337 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:27pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

They were holding flippers.

338 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:45pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

* * *
Hi Loppy D. Sorry to hear there's no free solar or wind power for every girl & boy in the Northeast yet. Darn those Kennedys who won't allow it in their back yard.

Praying for quick power comeback.

339 eastvillageinfidel  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:54pm

Oh brother. Is this going to be the new 'selected not elected' or 'not my president' schtick ? Personally, I'm confident 0's words and actions as pres will give us all plenty of slogan fodder.

340 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #327 jorline

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:14pm

re: #332 debutaunt

George Carlin said that swallowing saliva over a long period of time causes death.

I believe the quote is.... Studies have found that saliva causes cancer. But only when swallowed in small quantities over long periods of time.

342 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:16pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

343 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:29pm

re: #336 FurryOldGuyJeans

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

LOL, right on!

344 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:32pm

re: #329 HoosierHoops

Another hour for work then I need to do a little Christmas Shopping..
What's not to like?

Was that missing a sarc tag? lol. Actually I am out of here myself soon. I spent most of the day working in the field. At least it was a decent day, just a little muddy after the rain last week and the warmer temps today.

345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:33pm

re: #335 albusteve

thanks for that...I was too lazy bro!

Don't Laze Me Bro!

346 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:38pm

re: #336 FurryOldGuyJeans

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

347 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:49pm

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

First of all, you can take your female rain and . . . it's been snowing all day.

Secondly, what about Juarez? Wanna go to Juarez with the father_of_10 crowd?

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:56pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

nom nom nom nom!

349 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

lmao

350 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #327 jorline

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

and always keep an eye out for the Goddess around here..I check my structure and spelling so she won't mark me down.

351 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:26pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

nom nom nom nom!

What?

352 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:36pm

I'm at work, and most of the links used here would get me put on a list somewhere. And not a good, happy-Santa kind of list. More like the bad little boys-shit list.

I need to win the lotto.

353 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:38pm

re: #338 alegrias

* * *
Hi Loppy D. Sorry to hear there's no free solar or wind power for every girl & boy in the Northeast yet. Darn those Kennedys who won't allow it in their back yard.

Praying for quick power comeback.

F the Kennedys. I'm sick of the whole lot of them.

354 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:42pm

re: #346 loppyd

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

Quite, there is not much else there!

355 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:43pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

no flesh?...

356 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:50pm

re: #346 loppyd

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

very ,,, if you look on the map of Mass, Orange is denoted by a small X

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:56pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

Huh?

358 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:58pm

re: #225 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

Oh, I'm sorry. It's just that I am (and apparently a lot of other people are) obsessive fact checkers. I really didn't know you meant it as a joke.

359 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:03pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!


LOL!

360 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:24pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

nom nom nom nom!

What? That's French for "Name, name, name, name?"

361 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:26pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

Making up for an absent girlfriend, eh? ;)

362 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:33pm

It's official...

Caroline Kennedy to seek Senate seat

Caroline Kennedy has evidently decided she wants U.S,. Senate seat from New York to be vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton who was chosen by President-elect BaracK Obama to be his secretary of State.

This is not a happy day for a lot of other New York Democrats like Rep. Carolyn Maloney or Andrew Cuomo, the state's attorney general, who have either openly said they want the seat or have been pushed for it.

I wonder how many cases of Canadian Whiskey it costs....

363 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:38pm

re: #345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't Laze Me Bro!

HOOOT!...that was just funny....HAHAHA...good one...ooofff

364 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:42pm

re: #339 eastvillageinfidel

Oh brother. Is this going to be the new 'selected not elected' or 'not my president' schtick ? Personally, I'm confident 0's words and actions as pres will give us all plenty of slogan fodder.

* * *
Ideally, folks will channel energy & support to loyal opposition Congressional candidates to oppose rubberstamping the crazier impulses.

365 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:50pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

did you make up the spare bedroom or living room floor?

366 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:00pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Huh?

Feh.

367 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:10pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

Either loud munching or a new Vedic yoga mantra.

368 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:14pm

re: #360 Walter L. Newton

What? That's French for "Name, name, name, name?"

or glutton for EAT EAT EAT EAT MORE MORE MORE MORE

369 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:18pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

I used to have a lab partner who thought it was cool to put all of the chemicals that we would use over the course of the class into one container at the end of the class. Normally it just turn some odd color or something. every once in a while it got pretty ugly.

370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:30pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

NOM NOM NOM!

371 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:36pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

Internet onomatopoeia for eating.
How do you like that, reloading! Now I'm giving definitions.

372 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:45pm

re: #246 Ben Hur

What was the gist?

Making his own news?

Was he really kidnapped, or was he "borrowed"- so they could give him instructions on what to do at the press conference. This was the question, because of a link yma posted about who was doing the protesting. Her link showed that the protesters were some of the same bunch who supposedly did the "kidnapping". I'm looking for it now... Here is her post. Was this whole thing a set up for protesting/rioting/whatever? Just some thoughts.

373 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:46pm

re: #334 davinvalkri
Damn it!
I'm not a stoner!

I'm A DRUNK!
Got it ?...........lol

374 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:49pm

re: #367 FurryOldGuyJeans

Either loud munching or a new Vedic yoga mantra.

Or he is gagging to death on something. Call 922.

375 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:02pm

re: #350 HoosierHoops

and always keep an eye out for the Goddess around here..I check my structure and spelling so she won't mark me down.

I think Charles should give goddess a red strike button. ;)

376 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:03pm

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

377 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:03pm

Keyboard test!

Oh, the joys of bluetooth!

378 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:06pm

re: #354 CapeCoddah

Quite, there is not much else there!

re: #356 sattv4u2

very ,,, if you look on the map of Mass, Orange is denoted by a small X

I'm guessing that neighboring town Cooleyhood doesn't live up to its name.

379 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:14pm

re: #286 jorline

bogart

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

380 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:37pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

Oh, I'm sorry. It's just that I am (and apparently a lot of other people are) obsessive fact checkers. I really didn't know you meant it as a joke.

I know, and that is why the humor worked so well; at least for me and FBV. ;)

381 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:52pm

re: #298 Creeping Eruption

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

Not just gay but kinky. I always knew they were hiding something by wearing their formal wear all the time.

382 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:55pm

re: #266 loppyd

Bunch of Sallies.

/ducking

What's a Sally?

383 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:00pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe the quote is.... Studies have found that saliva causes cancer. But only when swallowed in small quantities over long periods of time.

Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. — George Carlin, American stand-up comedian. Wikipedia:

384 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:19pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

The audience must have been stoned.

385 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:20pm

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

386 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:24pm

errrrr, that would be a "roach" ya know?

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:33pm

re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NOM NOM NOM!

Oh ouch! I have had that happen before.

388 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:03pm

re: #372 gop_patriot


Thanks, G.

O.P.

389 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:16pm

re: #378 loppyd

I'm guessing that neighboring town Cooleyhood doesn't live up to its name.

no ,, but interestingly Dudleyville is right next to Moores Corner and i'll bet he;'s never been to either!

390 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:28pm

re: #365 Eowyn2

did you make up the spare bedroom or living room floor?

Um, no. I get the worst sister in the world prize. I didn't know he had lost power until today. I didn't work Friday and didn't see his kids school listed as being canceled and the news coverage was of towns much further inland. But still. I feel baaaad.

391 geir  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:56pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

It's all a part of the testing for the interview. They are very serious about snow plow drivers up there.

392 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:59pm

re: #382 MandyManners

What's a Sally?

p*ssy

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:03pm

Oh, posted this earlier...seems to be a bunch of new folks in, so I will repeat...

So VeganBoy (offspring) and I go to see "The Day the Earth Stood Still" today. At the end, before the aliens leave, all of the electric/motorized/manufacturing stuff is disabled.

Credits are rolling, VeganBoy looks at me and says,

"We have taked ur lektrisiteez."

Great. LOL Aliens.

394 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:05pm

re: #385 Dianna

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

Wow, maybe man was descended from penguins and not monkeys after all.

395 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:07pm
396 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:24pm

re: #386 apachegunner


Don't scare the civilians.

397 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:30pm

re: #362 jcm

It's official...

Caroline Kennedy to seek Senate seat


I wonder how many cases of Canadian Whiskey it costs....

If an unqualified son of two Commies can become president, why can't the granddaughter of a liquor smuggler become a senator?

AMERICA!

398 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:35pm

re: #371 davinvalkri

Applause!
Put that joint out and get back to work! 0r what ever your doin!

399 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:41pm

re: #362 jcm

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:49pm

re: #383 debutaunt

Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. — George Carlin, American stand-up comedian. Wikipedia:

Oh. So Wikipedia is a better source than my failing memory? Meh.

401 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:51pm

re: #392 loppyd

p*ssy

Well, I have one.

402 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:21pm

re: #382 MandyManners

Probably some polite way of saying 'pussies'.

403 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:23pm

re: #385 Dianna

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

And just HOW would a nice lady like YOU know what he was doing?

404 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:27pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

I bet she's partied with a lot of her rich constituents.

405 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:33pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, I have one.

I didn';t know you have a cat!

406 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:35pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

/she's a lawyer

407 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:41pm
408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:43pm

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, posted this earlier...seems to be a bunch of new folks in, so I will repeat...

So VeganBoy (offspring) and I go to see "The Day the Earth Stood Still" today. At the end, before the aliens leave, all of the electric/motorized/manufacturing stuff is disabled.

Credits are rolling, VeganBoy looks at me and says,


Great. LOL Aliens.

I've heard its basically a global warming lovefest craptacular.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:58pm

re: #403 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Zipper was down on the tuxedo?

410 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:59pm

Several things really bother me about a lot of the lizards comparing "nirthers" to 9-11 troofers: The complete misapplication of the law, the complete mis-characterization of many of the facts (hey, gang, since when did you trust the MSM for accurate factual reporting?!), and the complete dismissal of some fairly well reasoned legal arguments.

The question is NOT whether Obama is a citizen, but rather whether he is a "NATURAL BORN" citizen. The rules are different. There is NO QUESTION that Obama is a citizen. The nirthers are questioning whether he's a NATURAL BORN citizen.

You'd think that this would be an easy question to answer, but it really isn't. In fact, it's messy, and for some reason, Obama's camp is keeping it that way. They could clean this up for $10 or $15 by ordering a certified copy of his long form birth certificate and posting it on the web. But they've done that, you say? Nope, they haven't (see below). Instead, they've chosen to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees to save that $10 or $15.

So, to plow on:

First, "natural born" MAY be measured by the laws in place at the time he was born, and under those laws, Obama is a natural born citizen ONLY if he (a) was born in Hawaii (likely) or (b) he was born to a US citizen who had been a resident of the US for 10 years, five of which were after that parent was 14.

The first is likely, but set that aside for the moment. Since Obama's mom was 18 when he was born, he couldn't qualify under the second test. However, there have been amendments and changes to the relevant laws, and it is an open question whether or not those amendments and changes had retroactive effect.

See, it gets messy.

Now, back to the first point (born in the US): Anyone who claims that Hawaii has vouched for Obama's released birth certificate is just flat-out wrong. They've drunk the MSM Kool-aide, which is just a parroting of what Obama's camp has said (i.e., flat out lies). The document Obama's camp released was NOT a birth certificate, it was a "Certificate of Live Birth." The COLB is a contemporaneously generated summary of the long form birth certificate. The released COLB doesn't even have all the fields filled in, and the race is listed as "African" (not a term used at the time of his birth). Odd, eh? Some nirthers have really latched onto this point. However, currently issued summaries probably use the more PC term "African" in place of the old term "negro."

Some lizards have said that Hawaii has vouched for the COLB (calling it a birth certificate). This is also flat-out wrong. All they have done is vouch for the existence of Obama's records because that is all they are allowed to do under the law (it's a privacy thing). Good enough, eh? Well, it is until you look at Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178, which allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.

Like I said, messy.

So am I a nirther? Nope. If a Hawaii official who had access to the real birth certificate saw "born in Kenya," he or she would probably find some way to get that information out there. This is why I am skeptical of the whole "natural born" issue. The likely scenario is that there is something else on there that is politically inconvenient, something embarrassing enough to justify the Obama camp weathering this mess and paying a ton of money to keep the actual birth certificate buried, but not something that would disqualify Obama.

That said, it really is disappointing the way a lot of you lizards are treating the issues, ignoring or misstating the actual facts and laws, buying into some of the outright lies from Obama's campaign parroted by the MSM, and generally treating some very smart people with some very real legal knowledge as if they were 9-11 troofers.

411 EmmmieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #376 littleO

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

Just for the record, this is not the LDS church president. It's a nutcase with 12 followers. There are actually more than one of these types. Nutcases inside Utah decide they are prophets. Nutcases outside of Utah get obsessed with nirth certifikits and become troofers.

412 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:02pm

re: #402 WriterMom

Probably some polite way of saying 'pussies'.

Yep. See No. 392.

413 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:07pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish.....total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

414 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:09pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

Really? Gives me another reason to watch the movie again...always liked Jack Nicholson.

415 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:21pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

I didn';t know you have a cat!

That, too.

416 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:25pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

he cant talk with his mouth full

417 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:38pm

re: #385 Dianna

With his flipper?
That sound like more work than it's worth!LOL

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:40pm

re: #408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, they never mention "GW"; just a "you're killing the earth".

419 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:44pm

re: #407 Ben Hur

Oh hell! Any more racial riots or anti-religion attacks?

420 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:46pm

re: #385 Dianna

Thanks for sharing that with us.

[CLUNK]

421 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:49pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, I have one.

Um. Yeah.

422 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:02pm

Via Hot Air....

Video: Blago, SEIU, and Card Check

The opponents of Card Check have seized on the discussions noted in the complaint against Rod Blagojevich between the disgraced governor of Illinois and an apparently high-ranking official of the SEIU. The discussions surrounded what the union could do for Blagojevich if he appointed someone that would do the union’s bidding — and that means a stalwart on the EFCA and the end of secret ballots. Workforce Fairness Institute has a web ad making the point that corruption surrounds the Card Check proposal, for good reason:

SEIU's Charity.....

The charity, launched by a scandal-ridden Los Angeles chapter of the Service Employees International Union, had total expenses of about $165,000 for 2005 and 2006, and all of the money went to consulting fees, insurance costs and other overhead, according to its Internal Revenue Service filings.
423 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:08pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

I dunno...the song was a Fraterity of Man thing....I think it may pecede the movie by a year or two

424 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:09pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Zipper was down on the tuxedo?

LOL

425 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:09pm

re: #404 MandyManners

Oooh-good one.

426 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:34pm

re: #403 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And just HOW would a nice lady like YOU know what he was doing?

It was rather hard to miss. Trust me.

I was laughing helplessly.

One of the other penguins turned to him as he evidently reached a peak and opened its beak and shook his head. It looked very much like the standing penguin was saying, "Stop it! You're making us look bad!"

427 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:36pm

re: #376 littleO

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

The Prophet of Parowan!

I'd say this guy has a little credibility. Doesn't he? At least he's a capitalist.

428 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:45pm

Penguins have penises? I thought they were birds.

My head hurts.

429 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:47pm

re: #413 loppyd

So, if she gets the seat, Teddy dies? Hmmm....

430 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:51pm

re: #421 loppyd

Um. Yeah.

I guess this now has gone beyond the typical boob thread.

431 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:53pm

re: #400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. So Wikipedia is a better source than my failing memory? Meh.

I've been repeating the saliva/death joke since I first heard it, and my memory has been totally reinforced with red meat!

432 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:46:10pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Can I see? Dogs always run up and sniff my legs and go crazy, but I'm not sure how cats would react.
/Yes, I know what she means by "pussy."

433 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:46:49pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

Hey, you seem pretty fucking knowledgeable and kooky enough, Why don't you go file a case instead of blathering here? Put up or shut up.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:09pm

re: #415 MandyManners

That, too.

Zsa Zsa Gabor is holding a cat on her lap on "The Tonight Show". Says to Johnny Carson....

Zsa Zsa... "Would you like to pet my pussy?"
Johnny... "Sure, if you'll move that damn cat out of the way."

435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:17pm

re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, they never mention "GW"; just a "you're killing the earth".

Ah, subtlety.

One review I saw said Keanu runs the acting gamut from emotionless to showing a lack of emotions. Fence post has a wider range than he does.

436 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:22pm

Fraternity of Man...1968...
Easy Rider 1969

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

437 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:26pm

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HEY! How about a little spoiler warning?

438 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:38pm

re: #362 jcm

It's official...

Caroline Kennedy to seek Senate seat


I wonder how many cases of Canadian Whiskey it costs....

Hmmm, I am sure that all of the people that said that Sarah Palin did not have enough experience will oppose Caroline. Not really.

439 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:58pm

re: #417 reloadingisnotahobby

With his flipper?
That sound like more work than it's worth!LOL

No, he was lying on his tummy and...well.

There was a convenient rounded rock involved as well.

I'd already observed him approaching a lady friend, who wasn't in the mood.

440 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:01pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

I didn';t know you have a cat!

Do you remember Johnny Carson's famous line after he was asked by a guest who had her pet cat with her (Raquel Welch?) if he wanted to kiss her pussy for good luck? He said something like "Sure, if you move that cat out of the way."

441 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:02pm

For the first time ever, Google and You Tube have failed me. On the whole internet I could only find one reference to "Chasidisco Fever." A classic that I think Ben Hur would enjoy. Anyone else have this on Vinyl in the 70's?

442 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:03pm

re: #435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, subtlety.

One review I saw said Keanu runs the acting gamut from emotionless to showing a lack of emotions. Fence post has a wider range than he does.

He should have played Gort. In the original.

443 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:06pm

re: #389 sattv4u2

no ,, but interestingly Dudleyville is right next to Moores Corner and i'll bet he;'s never been to either!

There is a George in Washington State.

444 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:11pm

Just read on the BBC website that shoe throwing is the worst insult in the Arab world.

Suicide bombing massacres targetting women and children?

Not so much.

445 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:16pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

sorry ,,,, I had to ding you down noit because I disagree or want to debate with you, but just becuase we were having so much fun talking about masturbating penguins, strange Massachusetts town names, and Mandys p*ssy!

446 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:17pm

re: #420 WriterMom

Thanks for sharing that with us.

[CLUNK]

Sorry.

447 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:40pm

re: #413 loppyd

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish.....total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

The Kennedy's feel ripped off by History. Ole' Joe wanted 32 years of Kennedy Presidents, Joe, John, Robert, and Teddy.

448 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:42pm

*shaking head*

449 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:48pm

re: #438 opnion

Hmmm, I am sure that all of the people that said that Sarah Palin did not have enough experience will oppose Caroline. Not really.

Excellent point!

450 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:52pm

re: #404 MandyManners

I bet she's partied with a lot of her rich constituents.

Here's to all the Kennedy family money being invested with that guy running the Ponzi scheme.

451 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:52pm
452 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:00pm

re: #377 Dianna


Oh, the joys of bluetooth!

You should brush more regularly.

453 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:17pm

re: #427 father_of_10

Holy crap!

454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:32pm

re: #437 CyanSnowHawk

HEY! How about a little spoiler warning?

Howabout this...First hour of the movie is actually very good.
20 of the last 40 minutes the effects are wonderful. 20 of the last 40 minutes make the entire movie a disaster.

455 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:43pm

re: #447 jcm

The Kennedy's feel ripped off by History. Ole' Joe wanted 32 years of Kennedy Presidents, Joe, John, Robert, and Teddy.

Gee, I'm so sorry they've been disappointed.

456 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:49pm

re: #439 Dianna

hahahaha

457 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:57pm

re: #432 davinvalkri

Dogs always run up and sniff my legs and go crazy, but I'm not sure how cats would react.

/they rub up against you

458 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:08pm

re: #414 jorline

Another one used in the movie;
redneck
it is only now wandering back to its original meaning of farmer , rather that a person spoiling for a fight.
I liked the movie, it showed the first non-nerdy eyeglasses. Prescription aviators. Genius.

459 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:11pm

re: #450 Son of the Black Dog

Here's to all the Kennedy family money being invested with that guy running the Ponzi scheme.

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

460 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:15pm

Thanos

Let me repeat this for emphasis. To quote myself:

> Let me start by being very clear. I have no doubt that Obama is eligible to be president.

You might also want to pay attention to this part of my original post, too:

> So let's give Obama a walk.

So with that in mind, why don’t you go reread what I actually wrote and either 1) respond to what I actually wrote, or 2) take back your comment.

Here’s a hint for future discourse. There is rarely only two sides to an issue. A person can rationally say I don’t agree with Charles or the people he is mocking/disagreeing with today, but instead I have a different view from both of them. That’s what I am saying here. Even if we don’t check obama’s birth certificate, shouldn’t we start checking them in the future?

What is so unreasonable about that?

461 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:16pm

re: #444 Ben Hur

I posted that...it's even worse than calling someone a Jew! Can you imagine the horror!

462 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:23pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

You should brush more regularly.

One blueberry - that's a serious diet.

463 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:30pm

re: #376 littleO

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.


Well we will see what kind of prophet he is next month.

464 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:40pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

You should brush more regularly.

Maybe she was talking about this guy?

465 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:43pm

re: #436 albusteve

Fraternity of Man...1968...
Easy Rider 1969

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

This sounds like a viable origin
"Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. The term can be used for hoarding items other than pot

466 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:57pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

That's a British thing...Yellowtooth...

467 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:00pm

re: #457 Killian Bundy

Is that good?

468 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:13pm

re: #125 Outrider

Nirther version: The birth announcements in those papers were generated based on public records, including registrations of birth. (This is true.) Under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 at that time, his mother could have registered his Kenyan birth with Hawaii (that statute allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence). The birth announcement was then generated from the government records of this registration. You'll note that the registration does not mention place of birth.

Reality: Oh, he was probably born in Hawaii. (See my long post above.)

There is nothing wrong with the nirther version. Seriously. That said, I think there is just something embarrassing on the real birth certificate because SOME Hawaii official with access would have done SOMETHING about this if he wasn't eligible.

469 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:15pm

re: #437 CyanSnowHawk

HEY! How about a little spoiler warning?

Its a remake. If they dont keep true to the original story expect them to fuck it up with the message du jour.

470 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:19pm

re: #408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've heard its basically a global warming lovefest craptacular.

I knew it would be.

The other night, I was watching the original one on AMC (I think), and begging the Army to just f***ng shoot Klaatu at the end, right after he makes his self-righteous speech. I'm sure Keanu Klaatu will be even more insufferable.

471 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:19pm

re: #399 WriterMom

None of them ever do.

472 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:23pm

re: #447 jcm

The Kennedy's feel ripped off by History. Ole' Joe wanted 32 years of Kennedy Presidents, Joe, John, Robert, and Teddy.

I wish they would just STFU and go away.

473 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:34pm

merchandise mart I believe re: #459 MandyManners

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

474 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:37pm

re: #467 davinvalkri

Is that good?

/it means they either like you or want something

475 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:38pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane


Nothing will happen regardless.

Hillary is not constitutionally qualified to serve as SoS because of the raise she received as a Senator.

Anyone going to do anything about it?

Of course not.

476 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:47pm

re: #465 kcladderman

This sounds like a viable origin
"Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. The term can be used for hoarding items other than pot

HoHo's, Cheetos and Twinkies.

477 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:52:23pm

re: #413 loppyd

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish.....total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

This gives them 2 Senate seats... Joe for Oil wants, and will get Ted's seat.

478 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:52:36pm

re: #426 Dianna

It was rather hard to miss. Trust me.

I was laughing helplessly.

One of the other penguins turned to him as he evidently reached a peak and opened its beak and shook his head. It looked very much like the standing penguin was saying, "Stop it! You're making us look bad!"

Heh! When I was there, the thing that impressed me the most was the kelp tank. Do I have a problem?

479 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:52:39pm

re: #460 A.W.

The correct answer is going to likely be: if you don't like it-lump it, ie: get your own blog.

480 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:52:41pm

Maisey the Parrot loves fortune cookies. I just gave her one, all crushed up into little parrot-sized bits...

She makes all sorts of coo-cooing sounds while she's eating...

Wait a minute... BBIAB... I think she is choking on the fortune!

481 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:02pm

re: #474 Killian Bundy

Any way to tell? Rub frequency, rub amplitude, extra noises?

482 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:13pm

re: #435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, subtlety.

One review I saw said Keanu runs the acting gamut from emotionless to showing a lack of emotions. Fence post has a wider range than he does.

He's perfect to play Al Gore when they do his bio-pic in twenty years.

483 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:18pm

re: #476 MandyManners

HoHo's, Cheetos and Twinkies.

Which you bogart after bogarting the joint.

484 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:27pm

re: #477 CapeCoddah

This gives them 2 Senate seats... Joe for Oil wants, and will get Ted's seat.

Ah, but we still have a special election in MA. Remember the dems changed it when they were convinced that Kerry was going to win the presidency and they didn't want Romney appointing his replacement?

485 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:29pm

re: #472 loppyd

I wish they would just STFU and go away.

I take from the tenor of you comment you do not believe in the Divine Right of the Kennedy's?

/;-P

486 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:37pm

re: #478 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh! When I was there, the thing that impressed me the most was the kelp tank. Do I have a problem?

No, because I loved the kelp forest, too.

487 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:43pm

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HA I remember that.

488 bosforus  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:50pm

Here comes nirther mail
Here comes nirther mail
Right down nirther mail lane

Delivering hate to Charles Johnson
Full of nothing but complaints

Nirthers know Obama's Kenyan and that makes everything right
So hide your certificates and cover your eyes cause nirther mail's coming tonight!

489 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:59pm

re: #465 kcladderman

This sounds like a viable origin
"Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. The term can be used for hoarding items other than pot

I'm a huge Little Feat fan...it's part of their history...I just wanted a link...Lowell George wrote the lyrics...fyi

490 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:04pm

re: #438 opnion

Hmmm, I am sure that all of the people that said that Sarah Palin did not have enough experience will oppose Caroline. Not really.


I think she should stay home and care for her children.

Or at least keep raising money for schools to atone for what they did to her sister.

491 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:05pm

re: #473 apachegunner

merchandise mart I believe

Two.

492 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:07pm
493 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:23pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

Uh, yeah, the mercantile, I believe. They also make money still on every bottle of whiskey imported into this country, thanks to daddy, the nazi lover bootlegger.

494 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:52pm

re: #475 Ben Hur

Nothing will happen regardless.

Hillary is not constitutionally qualified to serve as SoS because of the raise she received as a Senator.

Anyone going to do anything about it?

Of course not.

Didn't they just do something in congress to address that issue ...I will look ...

495 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:21pm

re: #483 kcladderman

Which you bogart after bogarting the joint.

Which is almost as bad.

496 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:22pm

they did re: #494 JacksonTn

497 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:25pm
498 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:42pm

re: #484 loppyd

Ah, but we still have a special election in MA. Remember the dems changed it when they were convinced that Kerry was going to win the presidency and they didn't want Romney appointing his replacement?

Yes, but a martian could be elected to that seat if he called himself Kennedy.

499 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:43pm

re: #426 Dianna

It was rather hard to miss. Trust me.

I was laughing helplessly.

One of the other penguins turned to him as he evidently reached a peak and opened its beak and shook his head. It looked very much like the standing penguin was saying, "Stop it! You're making us look bad!"

I see a sequel in the making--

Happy Feet II: Happy Feet's Complaint

500 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:44pm

re: #486 Dianna

No, because I loved the kelp forest, too.

Did you see (or already know) how they get that wave action?

501 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:46pm

re: #478 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh! When I was there, the thing that impressed me the most was the kelp tank. Do I have a problem?

You're a kelp-tomaniac.

502 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:01pm

re: #468 MoonbatBane

Nirther version: The birth announcements in those papers were generated based on public records, including registrations of birth. (This is true.) Under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 at that time, his mother could have registered his Kenyan birth with Hawaii (that statute allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence). The birth announcement was then generated from the government records of this registration. You'll note that the registration does not mention place of birth.

Reality: Oh, he was probably born in Hawaii. (See my long post above.)

There is nothing wrong with the nirther version. Seriously. That said, I think there is just something embarrassing on the real birth certificate because SOME Hawaii official with access would have done SOMETHING about this if he wasn't eligible.

The only thing that could be embarrassing on the original is his PARENTS religion, which would be Muslim. It would merely stir up more controversy and would not still the conspiracy folks.

The issue is dead as far as the nation is concerned. Some people can "lawyer" it to death and it will change nothing but cloudy the waters on more legitimate issues. Such as his policies, his tax proposals, his connections to the Governor and Rezko, his weak as water concepts of dealing with enemies, etc...

503 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:04pm

re: #475 Ben Hur

Nothing will happen regardless.

Hillary is not constitutionally qualified to serve as SoS because of the raise she received as a Senator.

Anyone going to do anything about it?

Of course not.

Here ya go ...

[Link: news.xinhuanet.com...]

See there's nothing they can't fix ...vomit

504 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:12pm

re: #481 davinvalkri

Any way to tell? Rub frequency, rub amplitude, extra noises?

The more rubbing, the more they're trying to get their point across.

/they're also marking you with the scent glands in their face

505 jwb7605  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:16pm

re: #497 taxfreekiller

#475

I think I saw were Harry Reid and Nanci Pelosi got together and got a bill passed to provide Hildie only recive the prior amount.

do not remember where, but I think that is so

I heard that reported by Brit Hume on Fox last week (Thursday or Friday).

506 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:26pm

are the car doors still frozen?

507 Mambo Bananapatch  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:32pm

Are we even certain it was a male penguin? Could it have been a lady penguin with some sort of strap-on device?

Penguin in Bondage

508 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:41pm

re: #500 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did you see (or already know) how they get that wave action?

Yes - and I also heard the docent speaking to a group of school kids.

The whole place is great.

509 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:42pm

re: #413 loppyd

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish.....total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

Think about this: except for the period 1961-62, a Kennedy has been serving in Congress since 1947. The gap is only due to the fact that Teddy was not yet 30 when JFK became president, and a placeholder was appointed until Teddy could be elected (legitimately, I'm sure) in a special election.

510 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:43pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

They used to own the Merchandise Mart. Don't know if they still do.

511 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:01pm

re: #480 Walter L. Newton

Maisey the Parrot loves fortune cookies. I just gave her one, all crushed up into little parrot-sized bits...

She makes all sorts of coo-cooing sounds while she's eating...

Wait a minute... BBIAB... I think she is choking on the fortune!

False alarm. She was reading the safety warning on the back of the fortune and didn't eat it. Whew...

512 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:02pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

The Merchandise Mart

513 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:10pm

re: #490 Ben Hur

I think she should stay home and care for her children.

Or at least keep raising money for schools to atone for what they did to her sister.

Aren't her kids grown? And, even if not, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? SHOULD NO WOMAN WITH MINOR CHILDREN BE ALLOWED OUT OF THE HOUSE?

As for the second issue, it's not on her. She did nothing wrong.

514 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:19pm
515 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:22pm

re: #510 Son of the Black Dog

They used to own the Merchandise Mart. Don't know if they still do.

Thats it, not the mercantile, sorry, and yes, they still own it.

516 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:29pm

re: #492 buzzsawmonkey

When you've absolutely Gort to get dressed up, be sure to wear a Klaatu Barada Necktie™.

I don't have time to buy one, so I'll ask my friend Nick to.

517 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:35pm

re: #125 Outrider

Ooops, forgot to adddress this part: "Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?"

Nirther: It was fairly common practice to register your kids in Hawaii if you lived or moved there, even if the kids weren't born there. Why else have that statute?

Reality: I don't think his mother was nearly responsible enough of a person to have done that if he wasn't born in Hawaii...

My point isn't that Obama isn't eligible, it's the way "nirthers" are being equated with "troofers." Some nirthers are nuts, but some have some pretty solid -- if unlikely to pan out -- legal arguments. Troofers are just azzes.

518 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:40pm

re: #485 jcm

I take from the tenor of you comment you do not believe in the Divine Right of the Kennedy's?

/;-P

I have been "represented" by a Kennedy since the day I was born - in fact for eight years before I was born. I think it's time for a CHANGE.

519 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:57pm

re: #493 CapeCoddah

Uh, yeah, the mercantile, I believe. They also make money still on every bottle of whiskey imported into this country, thanks to daddy, the nazi lover bootlegger.

I've a rum-runner/financier as an ancestor.

520 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:11pm

re: #518 loppyd

I have been "represented" by a Kennedy since the day I was born - in fact for eight years before I was born. I think it's time for a CHANGE.

Hear Hear!

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:19pm

re: #435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not fair to Keanu. Exactly what the character is supposed to do. Too bad that is the only character (Other than Bill) he's ever played.

522 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:27pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

Your brain on a sabbatical?

523 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:33pm

re: #518 loppyd

I have been "represented" by a Kennedy since the day I was born - in fact for eight years before I was born. I think it's time for a CHANGE.

Why you ungrateful little.........
/

524 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:36pm

re: #519 MandyManners

I've a rum-runner/financier as an ancestor.

Yeah, but not a nazi sympathizer, I would bet.

525 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:37pm

Frottage of the Penguins ?

526 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:41pm

re: #501 jcm

You're a kelp-tomaniac.

I have stealed myself against your criticisms.

527 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:44pm

re: #438 opnion

Hmmm, I am sure that all of the people that said that Sarah Palin did not have enough experience will oppose Caroline. Not really.

i would feel more confident of getting a qualified person if we ripped a page from the phone book and pointed to a name.
how could it be worse?

528 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:14pm

Ha ...I just realized I quoted from a Chinese news sourse on the Hillary pay issue ...well ...they are probably just as good as our crappy msm ...anyway here is one from U.S. ...

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

529 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:25pm

re: #507 Mambo Bananapatch

Are we even certain it was a male penguin? Could it have been a lady penguin with some sort of strap-on device?

Penguin in Bondage

Penguins don't have thumbs so, how

Oh, ferpity'ssake nevermind.

530 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:27pm

re: #513 MandyManners

SHOULD NO WOMAN WITH MINOR CHILDREN BE ALLOWED OUT OF THE HOUSE?

/that's what chloroform is for, just ask Casey Anthony

531 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:32pm

re: #460 A.W.

If you got a case, go press it dude, you seem to think something's still wrong or you would not be bringing it up. If you have principles and are willing to state it here, then get behind those principles and go file the case, write your congress critter or party officials or do something.

Otherwise you are blustering and implying scandal where you have no proof, and what's the motive behind that when there's more important things like Blago going on right now?

532 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:59pm

re: #503 JacksonTn

Here ya go ...

[Link: news.xinhuanet.com...]

See there's nothing they can't fix ...vomit

Thanks!

Ironic that that is from a Chinese news agency.

533 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:02pm

re: #510 Son of the Black Dog

They used to own the Merchandise Mart. Don't know if they still do.

I've heard that they do.

534 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:08pm

re: #514 Ben Hur

Which lizard is this?

MANDY!

*duck*

535 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:13pm

re: #527 nyc redneck

LOL.

536 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:16pm

re: #494 JacksonTn

Didn't they just do something in congress to address that issue ...I will look ...


Yes they did..They did a salary adjustment for SOS..

537 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:27pm

re: #519 MandyManners

I've a rum-runner/financier as an ancestor.

Yar!

538 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:32pm

re: #526 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I have stealed myself against your criticisms.

Urchin you being touchy today?

539 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:42pm

re: #517 MoonbatBane

Some nirthers are nuts, but some have some pretty solid -- if unlikely to pan out -- legal arguments.

Still sticking to the I'm not a nirther statement.

540 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:52pm

re: #494 JacksonTn

Didn't they just do something in congress to address that issue ...I will look ...

Yes they lowered the salary that the She would get as sec. of state to side step the law. the democratic way

541 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:04pm

I'm thinking an open thread would be good about now.

542 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:07pm

Should we be asking whether the so-called "Emperor Penguin" is really Emperor of his domain?

543 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:14pm

re: #524 CapeCoddah

Yeah, but not a nazi sympathizer, I would bet.

No, he predated that by a couple of centuries. Well, by 300 years. Or so.

544 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:30pm

re: #513 MandyManners

Aren't her kids grown? And, even if not, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? SHOULD NO WOMAN WITH MINOR CHILDREN BE ALLOWED OUT OF THE HOUSE?

As for the second issue, it's not on her. She did nothing wrong.

Now now, missy.

Not only the goodlooking ones from the sticks should stay home.

545 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:36pm

re: #517 MoonbatBane

You are just another version of troofers. State of hawaii certed him when they put his name on the ballot.

Really, if you think there is something still wrong, then please go file.

546 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:47pm

re: #530 Killian Bundy

/that's what chloroform is for, just ask Casey Anthony

I hope that asshole never sees the light of day again.

547 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:48pm

re: #542 Occasional Reader

Master of His Own Universe?

548 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:03pm

re: #534 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MANDY!

*duck*


Thought about putting like that originally.

549 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:06pm

re: #527 nyc redneck

i would feel more confident of getting a qualified person if we ripped a page from the phone book and pointed to a name.
how could it be worse?

Keep on re-electing the incumbents.

550 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:21pm

re: #523 jcm

Why you ungrateful little.........
/

Unlike so many in this state, I did not grow up in a home with the picture of JFK next to Jesus on the wall. In fact, my father's parents despised the Kennedys who were their neighbors in Hyannisport.

551 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:26pm

re: #433 Thanos

Because (1) I don't think there is any way in heck that this is going to go anywhere, (2) Obama almost certainly was born in Hawaii, (3) I don't have standing under the law, and (4) others are doing an OK job, esp. Keyes (the only one who probably does have standing out of the whole mess of people who are filing).

PS Thanks for the ad hominem "kooky." Please point to ONE THING I said that was "kooky." Or is explaining the law "kooky" to you just because it runs counter to your pre-conceived notions as influenced by the "facts" you've been told by the MSM? That seems pretty effing kooky to me, sport.

552 Hard Right  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:27pm

The cover up goes all the way to the top!

Colonel Flagg mode off/

553 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:41pm

re: #517 MoonbatBane

Ooops, forgot to adddress this part: "Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?"

Nirther: It was fairly common practice to register your kids in Hawaii if you lived or moved there, even if the kids weren't born there. Why else have that statute?

Reality: I don't think his mother was nearly responsible enough of a person to have done that if he wasn't born in Hawaii...

My point isn't that Obama isn't eligible, it's the way "nirthers" are being equated with "troofers." Some nirthers are nuts, but some have some pretty solid -- if unlikely to pan out -- legal arguments. Troofers are just azzes.

You know, I'm in real trouble too. I never had a birth certificate either. Many states don't issue them, using the certificate of live birth instead. A birth certificate can be requested years later if desired, as I had to do at age 24 when I wanted to get married overseas. By this time I had already been in the Army for a few years with a Top Secret/SI clearance.

Wonder what document the government used to issue the birth certificate? Couldn't possibly have been the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH could it?

554 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:42pm

re: #543 MandyManners

No, he predated that by a couple of centuries. Well, by 300 years. Or so.

Well, thats OK then. As long as he was not a nazi lover, had to get the rum out there somehow, now, didn't we?

555 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:52pm

re: #447 jcm

In the vein of nirth cerifikit stuff, one of my Social Studies teachers in grade school was a huge Kennedy fan. He told some story (possibly apocryphal) about Joe Jr. being born on a ship on the way back from Europe and his father having the birth cert. held up until the ship landed. Or something like that.

556 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:53pm

re: #550 loppyd

Unlike so many in this state, I did not grow up in a home with the picture of JFK next to Jesus on the wall. In fact, my father's parents despised the Kennedys who were their neighbors in Hyannisport.

Sniff Sniff, Do I smell money?

557 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:01pm

re: #538 jcm

Urchin you being touchy today?

Awwbaloney!

558 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:17pm

re: #392 loppyd

p*ssy

a Sally is a Nancy?

559 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:19pm

re: #507 Mambo Bananapatch

Are we even certain it was a male penguin? Could it have been a lady penguin with some sort of strap-on device?

Penguin in Bondage

Would that be a Domi-Linux?

560 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:36pm
561 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:43pm

re: #544 Ben Hur

Now now, missy.

Not only the goodlooking ones from the sticks should stay home.

*sigh* I let you push my buttons, didn't I?

562 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:57pm

re: #553 Outrider

Facts don't matter to a troofer or nirther.

563 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:58pm

re: #556 Nevergiveup

Sniff Sniff, Do I smell money?

I am only half WASP. :~)

564 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:03pm

re: #548 Ben Hur

Thought about putting like that originally.

*grin* ... I wondered
I'll throw myself upon the spear.

565 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:09pm

re: #551 MoonbatBane

Have the strength of you convictions -- go file your case.

566 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:15pm

re: #550 loppyd

Unlike so many in this state, I did not grow up in a home with the picture of JFK next to Jesus on the wall. In fact, my father's parents despised the Kennedys who were their neighbors in Hyannisport.

Loppy, how did you know I grew up with that? My batshit crazy grandmother still has both hanging next to each other, only it is JFK with the halo...

567 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:19pm

re: #561 MandyManners

YOU WHAT?

568 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:27pm

re: #558 Eowyn2

a Sally is a Nancy?

Is a Nancy a Sally?

569 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:46pm

re: #493 CapeCoddah

Uh, yeah, the mercantile, I believe. They also make money still on every bottle of whiskey imported into this country, thanks to daddy, the nazi lover bootlegger.

The story I read (somewhere, long ago) is that Joe Sr. want a concession on all import of alcohol from Britain to the US as a condition of support for Lend-Lease. He didn't know about the backchannel communications between Churchill and FDR. When FDR found out about the attempted shakedown, he recalled Joe.

570 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:46pm

re: #555 Lincolntf

In the vein of nirth cerifikit stuff, one of my Social Studies teachers in grade school was a huge Kennedy fan. He told some story (possibly apocryphal) about Joe Jr. being born on a ship on the way back from Europe and his father having the birth cert. held up until the ship landed. Or something like that.

That one I would believe, Joe bought enough silence and grades to keep his boys squeaky clean.

571 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:49pm

OT but interesting!

This undated handout picture released on December 15 by WWF Greater Mekong Programme shows a Gumprechts green pitviper found in Thailand. Scientists have discovered more than 1,000 species in Southeast Asia's Greater Mekong region in the past decade, including a spider as big as a dinner plate, the World Wildlife Fund said Monday.
(AFP/WWF)

572 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:04pm

bbiaw

573 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:07pm

re: #568 loppyd

Is a Nancy a Sally?

Then who/what is a Bertha?

574 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:13pm

re: #540 Nevergiveup

Yes they lowered the salary that the She would get as sec. of state to side step the law. the democratic way

I don't see it as a "side-step" so much as an adherence. It appears, when reading the clause that it was designed to deter creation of new crony positions and also to prevent politicians from entering a lower paying position while demanding their pay from a higher position previously held.

Just my opinion,...I could be wrong.

575 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:44pm

re: #562 FurryOldGuyJeans

Facts don't matter to a troofer or nirther.

true, true. Not even sure why I nibbled the bait.

576 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:45pm

re: #561 MandyManners

*sigh* I let you push my buttons, didn't I?

They always do.

577 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:45pm

re: #571 gop_patriot

OT but interesting!

This undated handout picture released on December 15 by WWF Greater Mekong Programme shows a Gumprechts green pitviper found in Thailand. Scientists have discovered more than 1,000 species in Southeast Asia's Greater Mekong region in the past decade, including a spider as big as a dinner plate, the World Wildlife Fund said Monday.
(AFP/WWF)

One pissed looking snake......

578 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:53pm

re: #522 FurryOldGuyJeans

Your brain on a sabbatical?

No, is yours? Or did I somehow wander over into DU where unsupported ad hominem attacks replace pointing out a single point of law or fact that I misstated?

579 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:05pm
580 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:06pm

re: #573 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then who/what is a Bertha?

I'm not sure, but I know what a Betty is.

581 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:16pm

re: #574 hermit

I don't see it as a "side-step" so much as an adherence. It appears, when reading the clause that it was designed to deter creation of new crony positions and also to prevent politicians from entering a lower paying position while demanding their pay from a higher position previously held.

Just my opinion,...I could be wrong.

Lawyers get rich arguing such trivia.

582 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:16pm

re: #576 Ben Hur

Bwhahahahaha!

583 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:58pm

re: #537 Occasional Reader

Yar!

I walked away from a Christmas Party with a 1.75 liter Parrot Bay that I got in the white elephant gift exchange.

584 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:07:17pm

re: #550 loppyd

Unlike so many in this state, I did not grow up in a home with the picture of JFK next to Jesus on the wall. In fact, my father's parents despised the Kennedys who were their neighbors in Hyannisport.

The folks who actually know the Kennedys, who like loppys family lived nearby, do not have nice stories about duckies and bunnies to tell. The Kennedys are by and large a nasty lot, who assume that you should know they are better than you, and expect to be treated accordingly. However, Joan Kennedy, Ted's ex, is a very nice woman.

585 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:07:27pm

re: #571 gop_patriot

OT but interesting!

This undated handout picture released on December 15 by WWF Greater Mekong Programme shows a Gumprechts green pitviper found in Thailand. Scientists have discovered more than 1,000 species in Southeast Asia's Greater Mekong region in the past decade, including a spider as big as a dinner plate, the World Wildlife Fund said Monday.
(AFP/WWF)

You mean, THEY DON"T KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY?!?!?

586 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:07:35pm

re: #578 MoonbatBane

No, is yours? Or did I somehow wander over into DU where unsupported ad hominem attacks replace pointing out a single point of law or fact that I misstated?

State some facts or actual points of law and there would be a discussion. You have done neither.

588 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:26pm

Moonbat, I bet they love this over at Pam's huh? So why are you posting it here? Take it back over there where they like histrionics.

If you think you are right, then go file your case. Maybe if it's not a 9/11 troofer filing you could get standing.

589 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:26pm

re: #581 FurryOldGuyJeans

Lawyers get rich arguing such trivia.

...and I believe some just did -- LOL

590 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:32pm

re: #584 CapeCoddah

The folks who actually know the Kennedys, who like loppys family lived nearby, do not have nice stories about duckies and bunnies to tell. The Kennedys are by and large a nasty lot, who assume that you should know they are better than you, and expect to be treated accordingly. However, Joan Kennedy, Ted's ex, is a very nice woman.

They drove her to drink?

591 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:35pm

re: #586 FurryOldGuyJeans

State some facts or actual points of law and there would be a discussion. You have done neither.

I think it is time for the GAZE.

592 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:39pm

re: #577 jcm

One pissed looking snake......

Yes, but isn't he gorgeous? Deadly, sure. But also gorgeous.

593 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:58pm

re: #571 gop_patriot

OT but interesting!

This undated handout picture released on December 15 by WWF Greater Mekong Programme shows a Gumprechts green pitviper found in Thailand. Scientists have discovered more than 1,000 species in Southeast Asia's Greater Mekong region in the past decade, including a spider as big as a dinner plate, the World Wildlife Fund said Monday.
(AFP/WWF)

Snakes and spider don't scare me much, but a dinner plate sized spider, well, wouldn't mind seeing it, but not unexpectedly.

594 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:09:07pm

re: #592 gop_patriot

Yes, but isn't he gorgeous? Deadly, sure. But also gorgeous.

Very true.....

595 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:09:39pm

re: #591 kcladderman

I think it is time for the GAZE.

GAZE me all you want. ;)

596 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:09:43pm

re: #502 Outrider

" ever heard of the preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

597 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:10:07pm

re: #579 buzzsawmonkey

A spider as big as a dinner plate? That must make it very difficult to serve as an appetizer.

Eewww.

/The recipe calls for removing the legs first, so they'll fit on the proper plate. :p

598 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:10:21pm

re: #569 Son of the Black Dog

The story I read (somewhere, long ago) is that Joe Sr. want a concession on all import of alcohol from Britain to the US as a condition of support for Lend-Lease. He didn't know about the backchannel communications between Churchill and FDR. When FDR found out about the attempted shakedown, he recalled Joe.

Joe was recalled from his ambassadorship when he said there was no use fighting Hilter, we should instead throw in with him. (really short version) The alcohol thing long preceeded the war, but, other negotiations could have been ongoing throughout.

599 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:10:31pm

re: #596 littleO

" ever heard of the preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

Did ther Jury in the Original OJ murder case?

600 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:10:52pm

re: #570 jcm

That one I would believe, Joe bought enough silence and grades to keep his boys squeaky clean.

and half turned out to be filthy dirty in spite of the payola...

601 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:11:01pm

re: #597 gop_patriot

But thats where all the meat is

602 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:11:25pm

That picture of Putin on Drudge's front page, well, he looks sad. Maybe he needs a hardy Merry Christmas or something?

603 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:11:54pm

re: #595 FurryOldGuyJeans

GAZE me all you want. ;)

I suspect that he was referring to the other -- the one you replied to.

604 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:11:58pm

re: #600 albusteve

and half turned out to be filthy dirty in spite of the payola...

Ole' Joe did what Capone didn't manage. Became legit.

605 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:02pm

re: #553 Outrider

Yup, a COLB could be used, one with all the available information filled in. Actually, you point out a possible reason for this whole mess. Maybe his Mom was so irresponsible that she never took the steps necessary to get a real birth certificate signed/on file (it's fairly automatic now, but may have not been back then). That means Obama doesn't have an "original long form birth certificate," and all he can produce is a COLB filled out with the few facts he has available.

Now, if he admits that he doesn't have an original long form birth certificate, the nirthers are going to go NUTS. So this is all he can do.

I know you meant you comment mockingly (apparently that's par for the course now at LGF if someone dares to counter the approved line of though with dissenting info. about the actual law -- just like over at DU or Daily Kos), but the shred of actual debate you had in there actually fills in the puzzle quite nicely.

606 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:13pm

re: #595 FurryOldGuyJeans

GAZE me all you want. ;)

dont GAZE me bro!

607 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:13pm

re: #602 Walter L. Newton

That picture of Putin on Drudge's front page, well, he looks sad. Maybe he needs a hardy Merry Christmas or something?

He si getting the best present of all-----A President Obama!

608 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:29pm

re: #603 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That one?

609 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:30pm

re: #352 TaeJohnDo

Damn, brother, you and me both. I'd buy this immediately. They had an M-60 up over the weekend, but it appears to have sold. They only wanted $8800 for it, so I'm not surprised it's gone.

610 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:31pm

re: #584 CapeCoddah

The folks who actually know the Kennedys, who like loppys family lived nearby, do not have nice stories about duckies and bunnies to tell. The Kennedys are by and large a nasty lot, who assume that you should know they are better than you, and expect to be treated accordingly. However, Joan Kennedy, Ted's ex, is a very nice woman.

They had to fly their friends in because they had none on the Cape.

611 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:31pm

re: #585 Ben Hur

You mean, THEY DON"T KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY?!?!?

LOL

re: #593 Walter L. Newton

Snakes and spider don't scare me much, but a dinner plate sized spider, well, wouldn't mind seeing it, but not unexpectedly.

I'm not a fan of spiders. Snakes don't bother me that much.

Took some photos of black widow spiders I found in our backyard this past year, and it still squicks me out every time I look at them. ::shudder::

612 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:06pm

re: #604 jcm

Ole' Joe did what Capone didn't manage. Became legit.

right...the only difference between the two...

613 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:09pm

re: #597 gop_patriot

Eewww.

/The recipe calls for removing the legs first, so they'll fit on the proper plate. :p

If there was any nourishment in frog legs, the French would have already been serving them.

614 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:30pm

Thanos,

I am implying scandal by disavowing it. Then how am I doing it? with mind control?

No, you are willfully choosing to ignore what i wrote in the first place because then you would have to admit you jumped the gun.

Whatever.

Try this. True or false. I started off my first post on this thread by saying "Let me start by being very clear. I have no doubt that Obama is eligible to be president."

And true or false, I later said in that first post: "So let's give Obama a walk."

Answer that, and then explain how i am a conspiracy nut. Go for it.

I am sure you started out making an honest mistake, but now you are just being mendacious. You're like Dan Rather; surely he didn't know those documents were fakes at first, but it should have been clear within days they were fakes and the fact that to this day he denies this is the lie, not the original introduction of them. The same way, you didn't start out lying, but you are now. And if you lie again, I won't even respond; you will just be ignored.

615 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:32pm

re: #590 Nevergiveup

They drove her to drink?

You better believe it.

616 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:35pm

re: #608 debutaunt

That one?

MoonbatBane

617 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:47pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

The document Obama's camp released was NOT a birth certificate, it was a "Certificate of Live Birth." The COLB is a contemporaneously generated summary of the long form birth certificate.

Wrong! I have my COLB sitting in front of me, and it's the long form. I also have my COLB in short form. Both came from the government, both are acceptable as proof of citizenship. If short forms were not valid as proof of birth, why would the government issue them? You need to get a grip.

618 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:52pm

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

If there was any nourishment in frog legs, the French would have already been serving them.

Er, spider legs (jokes don't work when you have to correct them)

619 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:55pm

re: #596 littleO

" ever heard of the preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

Lawyers get rich obfuscating facts to convince jurors on both sides. It ain't about arriving at the truth but putting out what will convince 12 "reasonable people" of a particular theory.

/ this is not a slight against attorneys such as we have here, but the type of leech/lawyer like Silky Pony.

620 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:19pm

re: #601 Creeping Eruption

But thats where all the meat is

You mean like crab legs? Ok I just grossed myself out, aren't crabs related in some way to spiders? Or am I just making that up? I don't like spiders.

621 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:21pm

re: #590 Nevergiveup

They drove her to drink?

This probably helped:

622 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:23pm

re: #603 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I suspect that he was referring to the other -- the one you replied to.

I do too, but worth the dearth of evidence to the actual intent I just have to reply to what is stated. ;)

623 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:25pm

re: #617 Sharmuta

Wrong! I have my COLB sitting in front of me, and it's the long form. I also have my COLB in short form. Both came from the government, both are acceptable as proof of citizenship. If short forms were not valid as proof of birth, why would the government issue them? You need to get a grip.

whoops!...where'd you come from?...heh

624 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:40pm

re: #605 MoonbatBane

Uh- no. Most of the time the county of one's birth issues a short form because it's perfectly acceptable as proof of birth (or citizenship). One would have to ask for the long form, but it in no way invalidates the short form. You are grasping at straws.

625 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:00pm

re: #610 loppyd

They had to fly their friends in because they had none on the Cape.

True, they also cannot get local vendors for anything, they do not pay their bills.

626 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:01pm

re: #597 gop_patriot


It's just like a big crab, except it's a spider. Soul food!

627 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:01pm

re: #614 A.W.

... You're like Dan Rather...

And you're being like... well... just like... that guy... what's his name? Oh, maybe I mean... no... that was last year... oh, I know...

A FUCKING ASSHOLE.

Carry on.

628 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:11pm

re: #620 gop_patriot

You mean like crab legs? Ok I just grossed myself out, aren't crabs related in some way to spiders? Or am I just making that up? I don't like spiders.

I do not eat crustaceans or mullosks for that very reason. They look like roaches on roids.

629 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:30pm

re: #611 gop_patriot

I'm not a fan of spiders. Snakes don't bother me that much.

Took some photos of black widow spiders I found in our backyard this past year, and it still squicks me out every time I look at them. ::shudder::

We have had 6 guys bitten by spiders in the engine house in the last year.
We have to shake all of our gear at the start of every shift.
The first time we turn on the overhead heaters on the apparatus floor we sit and watch the spiders drop down it sometimes spooks the new guy or visitor.

630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:30pm

Anybody mentioned Jim Stafford yet?

631 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:06pm

re: #584 CapeCoddah

The folks who actually know the Kennedys, who like loppys family lived nearby, do not have nice stories about duckies and bunnies to tell. The Kennedys are by and large a nasty lot, who assume that you should know they are better than you, and expect to be treated accordingly. However, Joan Kennedy, Ted's ex, is a very nice woman.

One of our very own lizards -- rightymouse, I believe -- once worked as an assistant or nanny of some sort to Ethel. She didn't have fond memories.

632 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:18pm

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

Er, spider legs (jokes don't work when you have to correct them)

heh. I updinged you anyway, I knew what you meant. ;)

633 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #624 Sharmuta

Uh- no. Most of the time the county of one's birth issues a short form because it's perfectly acceptable as proof of birth (or citizenship). One would have to ask for the long form, but it in no way invalidates the short form. You are grasping at straws.

Just following the conspiracy handbook by ignoring the preponderance of actual evidence by concentrating on the manufactured.

634 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #596 littleO

" ever heard of the preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

Strangely enough, yes. I've also heard of little gnomes running around in the garden munching m Hydrangeas. So what?

635 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:29pm

re: #620 gop_patriot

You mean like crab legs? Ok I just grossed myself out, aren't crabs related in some way to spiders? Or am I just making that up? I don't like spiders.

Well, the Walter's Book of Seafood has always described crabs as sea spiders. And lobsters are simply sea cockroaches, and crayfish are simply sea silver fish and...

636 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:43pm

re: #630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody mentioned Jim Stafford yet?

/the student loan guy?

637 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:48pm

re: #631 doppelganglander

One of our very own lizards -- rightymouse, I believe -- once worked as an assistant or nanny of some sort to Ethel. She didn't have fond memories.

Yeah, I was in on a bit of that conversation.

638 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:00pm

re: #627 Walter L. Newton

How's tweety?

639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:11pm
640 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:24pm

re: #625 CapeCoddah

True, they also cannot get local vendors for anything, they do not pay their bills.

That doesn't surprise me in the least.

641 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:29pm

re: #630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody mentioned Jim Stafford yet?

Jim Stafford... Matt... DAMON.

642 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:30pm
643 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:43pm

re: #633 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just following the conspiracy handbook by ignoring the preponderance of actual evidence by concentrating on the manufactured.

Yep. Must. Ignore. Facts.

644 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:47pm

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

Er, spider legs (jokes don't work when you have to correct them)

After you spider legs, then what?

645 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:06pm

re: #619 FurryOldGuyJeans

Y'know, speaking of LGF attys, I am constantly fascinated by the diversity of occupations Lizards have.

I wonder if Charles would be willing to do a Registered Lizard Occupation poll... probably would end up getting too personal, but it would be interesting. Perhaps a VOTE post with general areas of occupation, like gov't surveys use?

Meh, for the curiosity file....Teacher here.

646 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:16pm

OMG! Would you people just shut up for one second! Mandy was talking about her p*ssy, let her continue.
////

647 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:25pm

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

The only good spider is a DEAD spider.

648 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:36pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.

So, how long did it take the fire department to get your lip off the hood...:)

649 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:39pm

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

Spiders are very, very funny.

They become expert at leg-pulling very early in life.

All this talk of spiders is making me itch..ooooohhhhhrrrraaayyy!
Stop!

650 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:43pm

re: #644 Spare O'Lake

After you spider legs, then what?

Ha!

651 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:52pm

Walter

I'm an ***hole for defending myself against deliberate lies about me?

Funny definition of that term.

Shouldn't that term be applied, if to anyone, to the person who lied about my words in the first place?

As for me, i am just defending myself against those lies.

652 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:59pm

*sigh*

bbialb

653 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:13pm

re: #599 Nevergiveup

Nothing will stop the Obama boat!
We are all so screwed it gives me a headache thinking of all the problems to come.

654 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:19pm

re: #647 MandyManners

The only good spider is a DEAD spider.

You are correct, I hate to eat them alive.

655 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:24pm
656 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:29pm

re: #648 Dustyvet

So, how long did it take the fire department to get your lip off the hood...:)

Scott Farkas does not approve.

657 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:43pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

That's as may be, but my understanding of the origin of the verb "to bogart" is that it refers to Humphrey Bogart's habit of keeping his cigarette glued to his upper lip.

See: Sahara.

And: To Have and Have Not.

Nice talent if you want to smoke with your hands free, not so polite if others are expecting you to share your smoke.

658 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:45pm

re: #647 MandyManners

That was a really unfortunate place to put that comment.

659 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:56pm

re: #614 A.W.

Oh bullshit AW, the whole point of your long winded post was to reprint this nirth cert troofer nugget which we've already seen fifty bugzillion times:

And in law we have the concept of the "best evidence rule." So what is the best evidence of his place of birth? an old newspaper? a newly created birth certificate?

No. An original. And if it is missing, or whatever, then and only then we go to these other sources.

The other sources are solid enough to believe him if we can't produce the original birth certificate, but still I want to either 1) see that best evidence or 2) have an explanation as to why that best evidence is not available. This is truly not about outcomes, but about process. As a matter of good process, we should always see that birth certificate.

Now again I repeat if you believe it then have the strength of your convictions and file the case. If you have anything NEW, then maybe talk about that instead of repeating the blathering TP.

660 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:04pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Walter's Book of Seafood has always described crabs as sea spiders. And lobsters are simply sea cockroaches, and crayfish are simply sea silver fish and...

I dont care for lobster with the pretense and all but just leave the crawfish out of it!....yummmm

661 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:21pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Walter's Book of Seafood has always described crabs as sea spiders. And lobsters are simply sea cockroaches, and crayfish are simply sea silver fish and...

... tuna as simply chicken of the sea...

662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:39pm

I think it is funny when Charles posts something about the nirth etc. that someone comes on and says,

"Yeah, it's totally stupid. Here's where the argument has some merit.".

Reminds me of "The Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island". No one ever admitted to watching either show, but they were always in the top five for the week.

663 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:47pm

re: #629 kcladderman

We have had 6 guys bitten by spiders in the engine house in the last year.
We have to shake all of our gear at the start of every shift.
The first time we turn on the overhead heaters on the apparatus floor we sit and watch the spiders drop down it sometimes spooks the new guy or visitor.

EEEK

664 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:51pm

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

Spiders are very, very funny.

They become expert at leg-pulling very early in life.

Did you spin that on the fly?

665 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:54pm

re: #645 hermit

speaking of LGF attys

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

666 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:22:16pm

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.

667 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:22:27pm

Did the alarm go off?

668 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:22:43pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

OW!

669 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:23:00pm

re: #593 Walter L. Newton

Snakes and spider don't scare me much, but a dinner plate sized spider, well, wouldn't mind seeing it, but not unexpectedly.

Jim Stafford feels similarly.

670 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:23:02pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.

I'm torn with dinging that up and dinging that down.

The 666 doesn't help.

671 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:23:23pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

Careful, they might sue.

672 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:23:46pm

re: #643 Sharmuta

Yep. Must. Ignore. Facts.

Nirthers, like troofers and other conspiracy believers, are just such strange attractors.

673 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:07pm

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

674 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:16pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

And I always thought a dead cat was useless!

675 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:29pm

re: #647 MandyManners

Spiders are SCARY!

676 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:38pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.

Did you hear that on the web?

677 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:40pm

re: #645 hermit

Y'know, speaking of LGF attys, I am constantly fascinated by the diversity of occupations Lizards have.

I wonder if Charles would be willing to do a Registered Lizard Occupation poll... probably would end up getting too personal, but it would be interesting. Perhaps a VOTE post with general areas of occupation, like gov't surveys use?

Meh, for the curiosity file....Teacher here.

You hermits are quite gregarious.

678 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:41pm

re: #662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it is funny when Charles posts something about the nirth etc. that someone comes on and says,


Reminds me of "The Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island". No one ever admitted to watching either show, but they were always in the top five for the week.

I've seen Fantasy Island on some station called TV land or something like that...It wasn't what i was expecting from a show with Fantasy in its name.

679 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:02pm

re: #605 MoonbatBane

Yup, a COLB could be used, one with all the available information filled in. Actually, you point out a possible reason for this whole mess. Maybe his Mom was so irresponsible that she never took the steps necessary to get a real birth certificate signed/on file (it's fairly automatic now, but may have not been back then). That means Obama doesn't have an "original long form birth certificate," and all he can produce is a COLB filled out with the few facts he has available.

Now, if he admits that he doesn't have an original long form birth certificate, the nirthers are going to go NUTS. So this is all he can do.

I know you meant you comment mockingly (apparently that's par for the course now at LGF if someone dares to counter the approved line of though with dissenting info. about the actual law -- just like over at DU or Daily Kos), but the shred of actual debate you had in there actually fills in the puzzle quite nicely.

Nice comparison to DU and dKos, but that is actually wearing thin. You use it when someone disagrees with your theory.

Mocking? Don't think so, as I was serious. Would it be mocking to state my kids were not issued birth certificates at their births either, 1976 & 1978? And if we wanted actual Birth Certificates, I am assuming this data would be pulled from their Certificates of Live Birth?

But from your tenor up there, it sounds like the implication is my parents and my wife and I are irresponsible for failing to request a long from Birth Certificate?

(Maybe his Mom was so irresponsible that she never took the steps necessary to get a real birth certificate signed/on file)
680 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:08pm

Whenever I hear about someone afraid of spiders, I'm reminded of Okinawa.

We were doing fire teams patrols in Northern Training Area, when our point man dropped his gear and started screaming "ITS IN MY HELMET! ITS IN MY HELMET!" My buddy smacked him in the back of the head so hard he knocked him to the ground, got the spider though. He had wandered into a web and a 5 inch long Banana spider had hitched a ride.

Needless to say, we never let him live that down.

681 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:11pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout
That's brutal. 360 bucks for a parking ticket? What State/City is that?

682 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:14pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

Hey, you're right! Sorry, OR!

/I'm gonna need a new cat....

683 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:17pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.

*rimshot*

684 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:18pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Walter's Book of Seafood has always described crabs as sea spiders. And lobsters are simply sea cockroaches, and crayfish are simply sea silver fish and...

"Is this going to be a stand-up fight, sir, or another bug hunt?"

685 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:21pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.


Man I wish I said that! Well done!

686 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:25pm

re: #672 FurryOldGuyJeans

Can't we just put them all under the "troofer" umbrella? Too many for me to keep up with.

687 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:27pm

re: #645 hermit

Disabled and nigh on unemployable would be my occupation.

688 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:32pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Good grief. Sorry to hear it, hope your pictures come out OK. :/

689 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:33pm

re: #681 Lincolntf

Portland OR.

690 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:40pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!


Take the ass to court.

691 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:44pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

Visualize yourself in a positive place; ridiculing this idiot in the courtroom with the photos you took. It should be a slam dunk.

692 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:48pm

re: #654 Walter L. Newton

I hate to eat them alive.

/how about octopus?

693 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:49pm

re: #539 kcladderman

Still sticking to the I'm not a nirther statement.

I'm really not one. Have been wavering in the middle to tell the truth, leaning toward "born in Hawaii." While the legal arguments (see #410) really are pretty interesting, I just couldn't see every Hawaii official who has had access to the original BC over the past many months being "in on it." That was balanced against Obama's camp spending all that (what I then figured was) unnecessary money to fight release of the original BC.

Not wavering any more. #553 Outrider actually provided (probably inadvertently) the answer I was looking for: Obama was born in Hawaii, but he never got an original long form birth certificate or it was destroyed, and therefore he can't make this whole thing go away by just ordering a copy. All he could do is produce a COLB (as he did) and fight it out like he's doing, or get a new birth certificate issued and fight an even uglier fight. Obama definitely can't admit that he has no long form birth certificate on file because that would REALLY light a fire under the nirther crowd.

It fits the facts, it's a simple solution, and it explains the Obama camp's behavior. And I really hadn't considered it before.

Wow, despite all the snarkiness from certain lizard (including some who I used to respect), this has actually been a pretty useful debate. Who'd have thunk it?

694 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:50pm

re: #674 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I always thought a dead cat was useless!

I distinctly remember a book, "101 uses for a dead cat."

Sounds pretty useful.

It's the live ones that are useless.

695 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:53pm

re: #661 Occasional Reader

... tuna as simply chicken of the sea...

As I have posted here in the past, tuna is about the only fish I will eat, only raw, packed in WATER, not OIL (gosh, fish are fishy enough, why pickle it in oil?)

Sat. night, after the show, which my girlfriend attended, we went to the hotel across the street from the theatre and she had a little snack of calamari.

Whoa, I went ahead and had ONE piece. Since when is it legal to bread and deep fry rubber bands?

696 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:26:44pm
697 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:26:55pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Take it to court!

698 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:26:56pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout


Did he point his gun at you when he robbed you?

699 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:13pm

re: #676 solomonpanting

Did you hear that on the web?

If I spend too much time on the web, I risk becoming something of a recluse.

700 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:20pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

Once the ticket is torn out of the book, he's got to account for it, so there is no tearing it up. I'd say you have a good shot at having it thrown out.

701 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:20pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Hey Kilgore? You're going to lose. The county needs your $360.00. If you find a way to beat it, please let me know; I will be astonished.

702 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:22pm

re: #671 CyanSnowHawk

Careful, they might sue.

The lawyers or the dead cat?

703 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:26pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I see you have discovered the corollary purpose for handicapped zones.

704 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:29pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

Pretty much the equivalent of an old-timey speed trap.

705 kansas  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:32pm

Could be worse. That weasel John McCain could have been elected. Heard him on Steppy. Gawd.

706 Clemente  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:44pm

re: #519 MandyManners

I've a rum-runner/financier as an ancestor.

I've a Utah moonshiner. Wonder if they did any business...

I know that sounds like a curious business model, but she had a blind husband and two babies to support. She got it done by moonshining outside of SLC for a while, then went to LA where she started and ran a construction supplier. Her husband passed away, and the depression killed the business, so she and the kids worked as migrant produce pickers to get by. Eventually, her son built himself a trucking business, and her daughter married my grandfather.

707 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:45pm

re: #677 debutaunt

You hermits are quite gregarious.

Just this one, I think....hmmmm, does typing a lot qualify as gregarious -- technically speaking?

708 bloodnok  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:50pm

re: #484 loppyd

Ah, but we still have a special election in MA. Remember the dems changed it when they were convinced that Kerry was going to win the presidency and they didn't want Romney appointing his replacement?

Curt Schilling needs a job...hint hint...

(just kidding......I think)

709 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:57pm

re: #670 Silhouette

I'm torn with dinging that up and dinging that down.

The 666 doesn't help.

I had to ding it up - it inspired a giggle, and on a day like this (I'm still freezing my hinder parts off), I need one.

710 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:00pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Ouch!

I would also take pictures of an intact parking spot to show how the snow completely covers the handicapped sign.

711 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:09pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

No need to be furious. You are prepared.

712 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:16pm

Speaking of government ripoffs, did anyone see the NYC fat tax on sodas?

713 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:16pm

re: #688 gop_patriot

I just uploaded them, they came out great. There's a great pic of him scowling at me as he tries to clean up the parking space before I get more pictures. I'm pretty pissed that I'm going to have to waste time in court with this but it's going to be very satisfying.

714 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:19pm

re: #671 CyanSnowHawk

Careful, they might sue.

They?

/I'll just file a counterclaim

715 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:19pm

re: #689 Killgore Trout

Portland OR.

Yes? What about Portland?

716 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:27pm

re: #694 Silhouette

I distinctly remember a book, "101 uses for a dead cat."

Sounds pretty useful.

It's the live ones that are useless.

Excuse me, but they are far better than hot water bottles.

717 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:38pm

re: #711 wrenchwench

No need to be furious. You are prepared.

ALWAYS carry a camera in your car.

718 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:45pm

re: #691 Occasional Reader

It should be a slam dunk.


I hope so.

719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:48pm

re: #694 Silhouette

I remember that book! One use was "oven mitts".

720 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:05pm

re: #694 Silhouette

I distinctly remember a book, "101 uses for a dead cat."

Sounds pretty useful.

It's the live ones that are useless.

May I quote you to goddess?
(and then run like hell, of course)

721 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:06pm

Thanos

Ah, so your argument is even though I specifically said i had no doubt Obama was eligible, and said that the rule i wanted to see applied (that your prove your eligibility) should not apply to obama, and even after having said that I think the BC troofers are outcome motivated and maybe even a little racist, despite all that, you can read my mind and you know what my real agenda is.

Gotcha. Well, clearly its not just the birth certificate "troofers" who are unhinged.

722 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:08pm

re: #692 Killian Bundy

/how about octopus?


We going to start talking about pussy again?

723 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:30pm

re: #674 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I always thought a dead cat was useless!

According to Mark Twain in Tom Sawyer, if you bury a dead cat in the graveyard after midnight after someone has just been buried, it can cure warts. I think I got that right?

724 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:33pm

re: #670 Silhouette

I think we need either a [WHACK] a [GROAN] or a [CLUNK] button.

725 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:38pm

re: #716 vxbush

Excuse me, but they are far better than hot water bottles.

But with a hot water bottle, you can just re-heat it with fresh water. I have never figured out how to re-heat the cat. It gets so messy.

726 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:44pm

re: #693 MoonbatBane

Trot out already debunked bullshit and you are gonna get splattered by the blowback.

727 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:53pm

re: #717 Creeping Eruption

ALWAYS carry a camera in your car.

I'm lucky the battery still worked. It had been sitting in the car for quite some time.

728 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:57pm

re: #703 rawmuse

I see you have discovered the corollary purpose for handicapped zones.

My cat is represented by Dewy, Cheatum, and Meow...:)

729 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:00pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

FIGHT IT.

730 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:11pm

re: #708 bloodnok

Curt Schilling needs a job...hint hint...

(just kidding......I think)

That would be interesting....

On the dem side it would be Lynch, Coakley, Tolman, Cahill, Harshbarger.....

731 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:12pm

re: #691 Occasional Reader

My most recent ex got stopped one time for doing 40 in a 35 zone, and the cop cited her for not having her glasses on. Her DL required glasses for night driving, and this was the middle of the afternoon. We had to go to court, where we got the whole thing tossed. No points on her license, but the court costs were in the neighborhood of $400. Even the court clerk was floored that you could win and still have to pay that kind of money.

732 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:23pm

re: #706 Clemente

I've a Utah moonshiner. Wonder if they did any business...

I have a grandfather on my father's side that ran up and down the East coast in the 30's doing surgery for the mob, really, and he was only a surgical assistant in the Navy in the 20's. He had no paper what's so ever.

733 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:35pm

re: #717 Creeping Eruption

ALWAYS carry a camera in your car.

Or figure out how to use the one on my phone. (I'll have to find another place for the post its.)

734 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:41pm

While I find the whole Obama case annoying, I have to say that it has raised some interesting questions regarding how you define citizenship that are pretty relevant with today's more fluid society. But that's as far as I can raise any interest in it.

735 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:45pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader


How long have you been waiting to use that?

736 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:51pm

re: #721 A.W.

Naw, it's the people who endlessly talk about something that's OVAH! that are unhinged.

737 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:54pm

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

As I have posted here in the past, tuna is about the only fish I will eat, only raw, packed in WATER

You had me lost me at "packed'. Canned tuna of any sort is absolutely vile, IMHO. While fresh tuna filet, on the other hand is food of the gods.

Now, one fish you might like; if you ever happen to find yourself in Paraguay or northern Argentina, try the surubí. It really, truly does "taste like chicken" (and the meat even looks like chicken).

738 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:56pm

re: #724 WriterMom

I think we need either a [WHACK] a [GROAN] or a [CLUNK] button.

I nominate [ROLLS EYES]

739 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:58pm

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

As I have posted here in the past, tuna is about the only fish I will eat, only raw, packed in WATER, not OIL (gosh, fish are fishy enough, why pickle it in oil?)

Sat. night, after the show, which my girlfriend attended, we went to the hotel across the street from the theatre and she had a little snack of calamari.

Whoa, I went ahead and had ONE piece. Since when is it legal to bread and deep fry rubber bands?

The hoopster kneels down to pray..Lord please make this a food thread and make the spiders go away.. /

740 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:00pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Take a picture of handicapped spots nearby, that are still snow obscured.

741 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:02pm

re: #705 kansas

Could be worse. That weasel John McCain could have been elected. Heard him on Steppy. Gawd.

At least Our Messiah-King is a lot more forthcoming with his Socialist/Marxism/Green agenda,

742 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:08pm

re: #693 MoonbatBane

HE DOESN'T NEED A LONG FORM.

743 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:19pm

re: #725 Creeping Eruption

But with a hot water bottle, you can just re-heat it with fresh water. I have never figured out how to re-heat the cat. It gets so messy.

That's because there is no need. Self sustaining, once food, water, and litter are taken care of.

744 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:19pm

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

It's finger food, Walter.

745 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:25pm

re: #727 Killgore Trout

I'm lucky the battery still worked. It had been sitting in the car for quite some time.

Can you post the pictures on some server, might be fun to see. Maybe Zombie can do a photo essay on it on Zombietime?

746 UberInfidel67  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:25pm

*OT* I just wanted to share with ya'll something I got in an email:

Here is a new way to look at a deck of cards!
Please do not delete! You will be glad you didn't.

Deck of Cards

It was quiet that day, the guns and the mortars, and land mines for some reason
hadn't been heard.

The young soldier knew it was Sunday, the holiest day of the week.

As he was sitting there, he got out an old deck of cards and laid them out
across his bunk.
Just then an army sergeant came in and said, 'Why aren't you with the rest of
the platoon?'
The soldier replied, 'I thought I would stay behind and spend some time with the
Lord.'
The sergeant said, 'Looks to me like you're going to play cards.'
The soldier said, 'No, sir. You see, since we are not allowed to have Bibles or
other spiritual books in this country,
I've decided to talk to the Lord by studying this deck of cards.'
The sergeant asked in disbelief, 'How will you do that?'
'You see the Ace, Sergeant? It reminds me that there is only one God.
The Two represents the two parts of the Bible, Old and New Testaments
The Three represents the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost.
The Four stands for the Four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John .
The Five is for the five virgins there were ten but only five of them were
glorified.
The Six is for the six days it took God to create the Heavens and Earth.
The Seven is for the day God rested after making His Creation.
The Eight is for the family of Noah and his wife, their three sons and their
wives -- the eight people God spared from the flood that destroyed the Earth.
The Nine is for the lepers that Jesus cleansed of leprosy He cleansed ten, but
nine never thanked Him.
The Ten represents the Ten Commandments that God handed down to Moses on tablets made of stone.
The Jack is a reminder of Satan, one of God's first angels, but he got kicked
out of heaven for his sly and wicked ways and is now the joker of eternal hell.
The Queen stands for the Virgin Mary.
The King stands for Jesus, for he is the King of all kings.
When I count the dots on all the cards, I come up with 365 total, one for every
day of the year.
There are a total of 52 cards in a deck; each is a week - 52 weeks in a year.
The four suits represent the four seasons: Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter.
Each suit has thirteen cards -- there are exactly thirteen weeks in a quarter.
So when I want to talk to God and thank Him, I just pull out this old deck of
cards and they remind me of all that I have to be thankful for.'
The sergeant just stood there. After a minute, with tears in his eyes and pain
in his heart, he said, 'Soldier, can I borrow that deck of cards?'

Please let this be a reminder and take time to pray for all of our soldiers who
are being sent away, putting their lives on the line fighting

Prayer for the Military.

Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands.
Protect them.
Bless them and their families.
I ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

Amen.


In God I Trust!

747 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:19pm

re: #702 FurryOldGuyJeans


John Edwards will channel the dead cat, and use the information from the spirit world as evidence in front of a jury (and the motherfuckers thought Palin had a screw loose because she was Pentacostal? Jesus!)

748 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:21pm

The caption for this AP photo seems odd.

Cherries are covered in ice after an ice storm, in East Greenbush, N.Y., Friday, Dec. 12, 2008. An ice storm knocked out power to more than a half-million homes and businesses in New England and upstate New York Friday.
(AP Photo/Mike Groll)

Cherries on trees in New York in December?

749 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:26pm

re: #737 Occasional Reader

And tuna sashimi is > > > > FOODGASM.

750 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:27pm

re: #742 Sharmuta

HE DOESN'T NEED A LONG FORM.

Hi!

751 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:41pm

re: #718 Killgore Trout

I hope so.

I'm always pessimistic with the law and authority...dont be too sure...I hate that shit...wow 360$

752 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:43pm
753 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:58pm

re: #742 Sharmuta

HE DOESN'T NEED A LONG FORM.

Facts don't matter to a strange attractor.

754 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:33:20pm

re: #735 Ben Hur

How long have you been waiting to use that?

Since August of 1990, when I first heard the keyword used in a punchline. (You can guess the context.)

755 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:33:23pm

In God we trust, all others pay cash!

756 oh_dude  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:33:50pm

Why do Kooks get some much coverage here?

I remember a survey that found something like 5+% Americans believe that Elvis is still alive.

757 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:01pm

re: #746 UberInfidel67

We had several guys who, during a 12 month remote/isolated (no dependents) tour in South Korea, would mail one playing card from a deck home every week. That way their kids could watch the pile grow as it got closer to daddy's coming home. I loved that idea.

758 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:04pm

Has anyone listed all the different kinds of certificates of birth there are, or is such a list specific to each state?

759 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:05pm

re: #724 WriterMom

I think we need either a [WHACK] a [GROAN] or a [CLUNK] button.

YES!

So I can sit at my computer at work and WHACK and GROAN all day!

760 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:17pm

re: #662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it is funny when Charles posts something about the nirth etc. that someone comes on and says,

Reminds me of "The Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island". No one ever admitted to watching either show, but they were always in the top five for the week.

I never watched either show. Ever.

761 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:26pm

re: #586 FurryOldGuyJeans

State some facts or actual points of law and there would be a discussion. You have done neither.

You're kidding, right?

From #410:

The question is NOT whether Obama is a citizen, but rather whether he is a "NATURAL BORN" citizen. The rules are different. There is NO QUESTION that Obama is a citizen. The nirthers are questioning whether he's a NATURAL BORN citizen.

That would be a point of law -- the issue is "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" vs. "citizen." (I assumed -- maybe incorrectly -- that this term was recognizable from Art. II sec. 1 of the Constitution.)

First, "natural born" MAY be measured by the laws in place at the time he was born, and under those laws, Obama is a natural born citizen ONLY if he (a) was born in Hawaii (likely) or (b) he was born to a US citizen who had been a resident of the US for 10 years, five of which were after that parent was 14.

Point of law -- the law when Obama was born.

The first is likely, but set that aside for the moment. Since Obama's mom was 18 when he was born, he couldn't qualify under the second test.

Fact.

However, there have been amendments and changes to the relevant laws, and it is an open question whether or not those amendments and changes had retroactive effect.

Point of law -- maybe the law has changed.

Some lizards have said that Hawaii has vouched for the COLB (calling it a birth certificate). This is also flat-out wrong. All they have done is vouch for the existence of Obama's records because that is all they are allowed to do under the law (it's a privacy thing).

Facts.

Well, it is until you look at Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178, which allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.

Point of law with a freaking cite to the actual statute.

Etc.

Begone, KOsling.

762 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:26pm

re: #756 oh_dude

Why do Kooks get some much coverage here?

I remember a survey that found something like 5+% Americans believe that Elvis is still alive.

It's an anti-idiotarian site.

763 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:30pm

re: #728 Dustyvet

My cat is represented by Dewy, Cheatum, and Meow...:)

There's a horse that's retiring today named Deweycheathamandhowe.

764 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:36pm

re: #759 Ben Hur

I thought that was your day job!?!

765 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:51pm

re: #749 WriterMom

And tuna sashimi is > > > > FOODGASM.

I concur.

766 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:55pm

re: #759 Ben Hur

YES!

So I can sit at my computer at work and WHACK and GROAN all day!

:Rolls eyes:

767 bloodnok  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:56pm

re: #730 loppyd

That would be interesting....

On the dem side it would be Lynch, Coakley, Tolman, Cahill, Harshbarger.....

Lynch wouldn't be so bad. Of all of those names I'd prefer him, I guess. I'd love it if Mitt came back to run for that seat again.

768 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:10pm

re: #760 Son of the Black Dog

I watched both and know all the words and lyrics to Grease.

So there!

769 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:11pm

re: #756 oh_dude

Why do Kooks get some much coverage here?

I remember a survey that found something like 5+% Americans believe that Elvis is still alive.

He is. I saw him just this weekend. (my brothers cat is named Elvis)

770 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:19pm

re: #755 Dustyvet

In God we trust, all others pay cash!

When I was in the Army, we had a slogan that said, "In God we trust, all others we monitor"

771 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:28pm

re: #765 loppyd

{Sushi Soul Sistah}

772 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:35pm

re: #740 swamprat

Take a picture of handicapped spots nearby, that are still snow obscured.

Then clean off all the signs and deprive the city of the revenue stream.

773 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:50pm

Thanos

Since I am talking about future presidential elections, I guess by definition it is not over. Although, God, i am sick of hearing about 2012 already.

Geez, you are kind of an imbecile, aren't you?

But i love what passes for common sense these days. We have gone from Reagan's "trust but verify" to "trust me, you don't need to verify." Well, sorry but like I said I thought we were checking this sort of thing all along, and now i know we aren't, I say starting with the next person to become president (so don't worry, i am not threatening the ascendency of the lightbringer), let's make them prove they are eligible. What on earth could possibly be wrong that?

774 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:51pm

Time to hit the road....

Have a good afternoon, all.

775 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:56pm

re: #761 MoonbatBane

Trot out more debunked bullshit while your at it.

And calling ME a KOSling is just so wounding.

776 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:09pm

re: #758 vxbush

Has anyone listed all the different kinds of certificates of birth there are, or is such a list specific to each state?

There are long forms and short forms. Each state is allowed to create their own forms, but it's fairly standardized in that the pertinent information is going to be present in each state- name, DOB, location, etc.

777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:16pm

re: #727 Killgore Trout

Sorry for being so negative. I have increased my moving vehicle awareness recently. Municipalities are feeling a cash crunch. I am afraid they are going to turn the heat up on law enforcement.

Arrest a felon, hell, we have to house them. Write a ticket? We gets the money!

They will "Sheriff of Nottingham" our asses into the poor house.

I am not (in any way) accusing police officers of these tactics, thank goodness they are there. Sheriffs and Chiefs are going to be hammered by their local boards to turn up enforcement for "public safety" reasons.

778 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:17pm

re: #763 Dianna

There's a horse that's retiring today named Deweycheathamandhowe.

Had a friend who named her horse "Bucking Faster" 'cause it sounded so great over the loudspeakers when she was announced at competitions! LOL

779 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:19pm

re: #749 WriterMom

And tuna sashimi is > > > > FOODGASM.

I dunno... don't sales of sushi and sashimi promote the export of radical Wasabi Islam?

780 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:38pm

re: #680 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh my God. I would have had a heart attack. The brown banana spiders in South America are extremely poisonous, hope this one wasn't. Yikes.

OK y'all, I'm heading out into the freezing rain to the store. Talk to you later!

781 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:52pm

re: #771 WriterMom

{Sushi Soul Sistah}

With extra wasabi love....

Really gone now!

782 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:58pm

re: #756 oh_dude

Why do Kooks get some much coverage here?

I remember a survey that found something like 5+% Americans believe that Elvis is still alive.


Elvis is Dead!?

783 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:09pm

re: #740 swamprat

I have some very clear shots of the spot I was in before he starting clearing it. That's why he rushed over when he saw I was getting photographic evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if this slideshow gets him fired.

784 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:12pm

re: #777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry for being so negative. I have increased my moving vehicle awareness recently. Municipalities are feeling a cash crunch. I am afraid they are going to turn the heat up on law enforcement.

Arrest a felon, hell, we have to house them. Write a ticket? We gets the money!

They will "Sheriff of Nottingham" our asses into the poor house.

I am not (in any way) accusing police officers of these tactics, thank goodness they are there. Sheriffs and Chiefs are going to be hammered by their local boards to turn up enforcement for "public safety" reasons.

785 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:12pm

re: #772 CyanSnowHawk

Then clean off all the signs and deprive the city of the revenue stream.

Yea I bet those spots are the first place the cop heads every time it snows.

786 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:13pm

re: #739 HoosierHoops

The hoopster kneels down to pray..Lord please make this a food thread and make the spiders go away.. /

Okay, let's discuss the various methods for catching (and properly aging) flies and other small winged insects.

787 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:21pm

re: #779 Occasional Reader

BEHEAD THOSE WHO JOKE ABOUT SUSHI

788 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:34pm

re: #769 kcladderman

He is. I saw him just this weekend. (my brothers cat is named Elvis)

Our supply section in Vietnam had a sign that read "In God we trust, all others must sign a hand receipt"

789 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:39pm

re: #763 Dianna

There's a horse that's retiring today named Deweycheathamandhowe.

You know, of course, that joke has been used for years, if not decades, on "Car Talk".

790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:57pm

re: #760 Son of the Black Dog

I never watched either show. Ever.

But, you get my point.

791 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:38:07pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

There are long forms and short forms. Each state is allowed to create their own forms, but it's fairly standardized in that the pertinent information is going to be present in each state- name, DOB, location, etc.

See, what I don't get is why you would need a long one and why the short one wouldn't be sufficient. I have an old xerox copy of mine from 1960-something that was considered acceptable just because it had the state seal on it--despite the frayed edges, faded text, etc.

792 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:38:13pm

re: #782 HoosierHoops

LOL

793 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:38:57pm

re: #777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Municipalities are feeling a cash crunch. I am afraid they are going to turn the heat up on law enforcement.

Agreed. Hence, my Christmas present to me.

794 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:07pm

re: #789 Occasional Reader

You know, of course, that joke has been used for years, if not decades, on "Car Talk".

Along with the Director of Long Term Strategic Planning, Kay Serah-Serah.

795 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:14pm

re: #784 albusteve

whoops...anyhow I got a ticket last year for no seatbelt for crossing a service ally from one strip mall to another...Rio Ranch NM...115$...revenue plain and simple...

796 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:16pm

re: #773 A.W.

Well then write your congress critter, don't harp at us. What you are wanting takes legislation or an ammendent or something. Right?

797 invictus1  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:20pm

re: #761 MoonbatBane

Point of law with a freaking cite to the actual statute.

Etc.

Begone, KOsling.

Can't you people just give up on this birth certificate thing? If it had an ounce of truth to it, it would have gotten out months ago.

798 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:35pm

re: #745 Walter L. Newton

Heh, that's a good idea.

800 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:40:19pm

re: #794 rawmuse

Along with the Director of Long Term Strategic Planning, Kay Serah-Serah.

Along with the seat cushion monitor Mike Keester.

801 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:40:47pm

re: #794 rawmuse

Along with the Director of Long Term Strategic Planning, Kay Serah-Serah.

And our Russian chauffeur, Pikop Andropov.

[etc.]

802 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:40:56pm

re: #791 vxbush

See, what I don't get is why you would need a long one and why the short one wouldn't be sufficient. I have an old xerox copy of mine from 1960-something that was considered acceptable just because it had the state seal on it--despite the frayed edges, faded text, etc.

Because the only people who think the short form is insufficient are the Nirthers. If it was not acceptable as proof of birth, ID, citizenship- the government would not issue them as standard. You have to specifically ask for the long form in most cases.

Also- the only difference between a BC and a COLB is one is called a "birth certificate" and the other is called a "certificate of live birth"- they are the same thing.

803 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:41:09pm

re: #783 Killgore Trout

I have some very clear shots of the spot I was in before he starting clearing it. That's why he rushed over when he saw I was getting photographic evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if this slideshow gets him fired.

Wanna bet? It's good that you have the pictures, but even if it helps a judge rule in your favor, there is no way the cop is going to get canned.

And if I were you , I would check it the city has a web site with city ordinances and find out the particulars of the laws about handicap parking spaces.

In many cities, as long as a space is legally marked, you are responsible to make sure nothing has blocked your view of the marking.

It's only the cities responsibility to properly mark the space. And act of nature, or an act that is out of the control of the city, may not release you from your obligation to make sure you are not parking in a handicap spot.

Bummer.

804 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:41:15pm

re: #783 Killgore Trout

I have some very clear shots of the spot I was in before he starting clearing it. That's why he rushed over when he saw I was getting photographic evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if this slideshow gets him fired.

Let's hope. It's fun to see a petty tyrant get his comeuppance.

805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:41:36pm

re: #800 solomonpanting

Hell, it's Click and Clack! Car Talk time.

Limo service provided by Pickop and Dropov....

806 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:41:43pm

re: #783 Killgore Trout

Excellent.

808 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:22pm

re: #805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes. What you said Reader.

809 oh_dude  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:27pm

re: #762 Thanos

Understand, just feel like there is a lot of group-think going on here. I'm afraid to make any kind of statement of belief especially some stuff that may be considered "fringe"

I don't want to get labeled as a Kook.

For example, I saw this thing on Discovery channel last night regarding new research on the Shroud of Turin. "Science" had previously confirmed it as "bunk" and being somewhat rational I figured it wasn't real. I mean, how can you dispute carbon dating?

But after watching the documentary I wasn't so sure anymore.

Does that make me a Kook?

810 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:27pm

re: #787 WriterMom

BEHEAD THOSE WHO JOKE ABOUT SUSHI

Can we wrap it in bacon?

811 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:41pm

re: #797 invictus1

Can't you people just give up on this birth certificate thing? If it had an ounce of truth to it, it would have gotten out months ago.

Truth is not something the conspiracy strange attractors are really looking for. They are just looking to feel they know something other people don't, no matter how absurd and illogical or debunked that something is.

812 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:41pm

re: #803 Walter L. Newton

In many cities, as long as a space is legally marked, you are responsible to make sure nothing has blocked your view of the marking.

It's only the cities responsibility to properly mark the space. And act of nature, or an act that is out of the control of the city, may not release you from your obligation to make sure you are not parking in a handicap spot.


Bummer, indeed. I feel pretty confident but anything can happen.

813 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:43:08pm

re: #802 Sharmuta

Because the only people who think the short form is insufficient are the Nirthers. If it was not acceptable as proof of birth, ID, citizenship- the government would not issue them as standard. You have to specifically ask for the long form in most cases.

Also- the only difference between a BC and a COLB is one is called a "birth certificate" and the other is called a "certificate of live birth"- they are the same thing.

There's something to be said for having *one* form, and one form only. Period. End of story. It simplifies a lot.

814 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:43:40pm

re: #799 Alouette

These "people" (I use the term with extreme generosity) raising the world's most fucked-up kids.

The kids would suffer if their parents were dealt with ... appropriately.

815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:43:45pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

Judge'll ask, ever been to this store before? You know where handicapped spaces were?

816 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:44:00pm

re: #805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, it's Click and Clack! Car Talk time.

Limo service provided by Pickop and Dropov....

Sexual Harrassment Director Pat McCan.

817 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:44:25pm

re: #799 Alouette

These "people" (I use the term with extreme generosity) raising the world's most fucked-up kids.

Sad because the kids just don't have a fighting chance when "raised" by people like that. They are doomed to a life of failure. That is why I never viewed the aryan nation dolts as a threat. They are sad and laughable, but not a threat.

818 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:44:42pm

re: #692 Killian Bundy

/how about octopus?

In Soviet Bering Sea, octopus eats you!

819 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:44:54pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

Bummer, indeed. I feel pretty confident but anything can happen.

just take the jail time bubba...

820 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:45:12pm

re: #809 oh_dude

Understand, just feel like there is a lot of group-think going on here. I'm afraid to make any kind of statement of belief especially some stuff that may be considered "fringe"

I don't want to get labeled as a Kook.

For example, I saw this thing on Discovery channel last night regarding new research on the Shroud of Turin. "Science" had previously confirmed it as "bunk" and being somewhat rational I figured it wasn't real. I mean, how can you dispute carbon dating?

But after watching the documentary I wasn't so sure anymore.

Does that make me a Kook?

And you know nothing about science. Much of the "science" on these sort of channels are entertainment, popular science, not critical thinking based presentations.

Sorry, the the least, the shroud is a man made item. In the most, it is a deliberate hoax.

821 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:45:21pm

re: #760 Son of the Black Dog

I never watched either show. Ever.

I only happend to see it during sweeps week.

822 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:02pm

re: #813 vxbush

There's something to be said for having *one* form, and one form only. Period. End of story. It simplifies a lot.

More intrusion of the Federal government and usurpation of the veneer of State Sovereignty? Why not just come out and create the National ID card and do away with state governments.

823 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:19pm

re: #759 Ben Hur

YES!

So I can sit at my computer at work and WHACK and GROAN all day!

Just like the penguin!

824 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:25pm

re: #795 albusteve

whoops...anyhow I got a ticket last year for no seatbelt for crossing a service ally from one strip mall to another...Rio Ranch NM...115$...revenue plain and simple...

Chiming in on this one...It was about 12:30 P.M. and I was coming home from a friends house with my wife. A road was closed due to construction and so we turned into a backroad...after driving more than halfway the road then miraculously becomes a one way... I drive the 10 'one way' feet to get to the road that put me back on track.

Apparently this is a great hang out to get a ticket. I did.

Then on the way home from Thanksgiving...2 in the morning from my parents, we, again with my wife, are driving home... My wife says, "Let's go really slow so that no cop can pick us up. I look up...Speed limit 65, I am going 55, then a sign is coming up that the speed drops to 45...I drop to 40...about a mile after the sign I check the rear view and officer friendly is driving at the speed of light to catch up. I was speeding... Hooray for mobile state sponsored cashiers who take my money in return for an increase of 'driving points' on my record!

The opportunity cost of those tickets was at least a rape and drug deal...

825 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:27pm

re: #778 hermit

Had a friend who named her horse "Bucking Faster" 'cause it sounded so great over the loudspeakers when she was announced at competitions! LOL

hahahahahahahahahhahahaahaa

826 opinionated  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:35pm

I am also arguing that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

A man who can turn back the oceans, will cure what ails us, will make Muslims love us, will end wars, will repair the economy, is faster then a speeding bullet, leaps tall buildings in a single bound, and had no clue as to the corruption in Illinois......must be an alien.

Where did his earth parents hide his spaceship?

827 Alouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:54pm

re: #817 Creeping Eruption

Sad because the kids just don't have a fighting chance when "raised" by people like that. They are doomed to a life of failure. That is why I never viewed the aryan nation dolts as a threat. They are sad and laughable, but not a threat.

These kids, if not removed by CPS ASAP, will grow up to become Columbine shooters. Or Muslims.

828 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:05pm

re: #799 Alouette

These "people" (I use the term with extreme generosity) raising the world's most fucked-up kids.

These kids need to be adopted by normal people immediately. Also, Adolf needs a haircut.

829 UberInfidel67  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:15pm

re: #752 buzzsawmonkeyDo you HAVE to know everything? GEESH! lol I just thought it was a cool little story. : )

830 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:19pm

re: #813 vxbush

There's something to be said for having *one* form, and one form only. Period. End of story. It simplifies a lot.

There's something to be said for that. In the mean time, a short form does not prevent the holder from obtaining a state ID/Driver's License or passport. Also- it's acceptable to prove eligibility to hold a job for one's employer. It's an acceptable form of proof of birth, citizenship and ID. End of story.

831 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:31pm

re: #799 Alouette

These "people" (I use the term with extreme generosity) raising the world's most fucked-up kids.

I posted a link to another story about this in the links this morning. This is nothing short of child abuse.

832 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:39pm

re: #809 oh_dude

Only if you don't research it further, and start denying the evidence that's there. The other thing to note, both Discovery and Nat'l Geo aren't always scientific, I've seen a lot of pseudo science and fringe beliefs appear on those channels. Here's an example. They are catering to a particular market share, and that's why if you are trying to back something scientific up, they aren't the best place to cite.

833 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:45pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

Bummer, indeed. I feel pretty confident but anything can happen.

Look up the city regulations. I bet you can find out for sure. I bet you don't want to know the answer.

834 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:03pm

re: #779 Occasional Reader

I dunno... don't sales of sushi and sashimi promote the export of radical Wasabi Islam?

Wasabi Islam is nothing more than lizard poop.

835 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:23pm

re: #826 opinionated

ROFLMHWAO! I regret that I have but one upding to give for such scribblings!

836 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:28pm
837 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:30pm

re: #824 Oh no...Sand People!

Hooray for mobile state sponsored cashiers who take my money in return for an increase of 'driving points' on my record!

I think the vast majority of speeding tickets amount to little more than a randomly-assessed, arbitrary tax.

838 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:35pm

re: #822 FurryOldGuyJeans

More intrusion of the Federal government and usurpation of the veneer of State Sovereignty? Why not just come out and create the National ID card and do away with state governments.

Point taken. I hate the idea of the national ID card. So each state should have one and one form only. Yes, there would be fifty different forms for states (and a few others for territories), but we wouldn't have this long form, short form, whatever form nonsense.

839 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:49:05pm

re: #789 Occasional Reader

You know, of course, that joke has been used for years, if not decades, on "Car Talk".

Yes.

But it was a very handsome horse.

840 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:49:29pm

re: #815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ive been to the store plenty of times but I don't have the layout memorized. You could see any markings for the parking spaces. I was just parking in an empty spot between cars.

841 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:49:30pm

re: #827 Alouette

These kids, if not removed by CPS ASAP, will grow up to become Columbine shooters. Or Muslims.

Those kids are going to have the intellect and capabilities of lobotomized hamsters. I'd be surprised if they turn out to be intelligent enough to load a gun let alone plan mass murder.

842 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:50:27pm

re: #814 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The kids would suffer if their parents were dealt with ... appropriately.

I'd suggest a variation on the game show The Amazing Race. Put the kids with the grandparents for a bit and drop Mom and Dad in the middle of the African continent with no way home other than to ask the locals for help. Might give them a little perspective on so-called racial superiority.

843 Alouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:50:45pm

re: #828 doppelganglander

These kids need to be adopted by normal people immediately. Also, Adolf needs a haircut.

Maybe he can be adopted by a Jewish family, and they will make him an upsherenish. Leave lovely payos.

844 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:12pm

re: #826 opinionated

I am also arguing that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

A man who can turn back the oceans, will cure what ails us, will make Muslims love us, will end wars, will repair the economy, is faster then a speeding bullet, leaps tall buildings in a single bound, and had no clue as to the corruption in Illinois......must be an alien.

Where did his earth parents hide his spaceship?

Citizen or not, I say the dude ain't natural!

845 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:18pm

re: #824 Oh no...Sand People!

Chiming in on this one...It was about 12:30 P.M. and I was coming home from a friends house with my wife. A road was closed due to construction and so we turned into a backroad...after driving more than halfway the road then miraculously becomes a one way... I drive the 10 'one way' feet to get to the road that put me back on track.

Apparently this is a great hang out to get a ticket. I did.

Then on the way home from Thanksgiving...2 in the morning from my parents, we, again with my wife, are driving home... My wife says, "Let's go really slow so that no cop can pick us up. I look up...Speed limit 65, I am going 55, then a sign is coming up that the speed drops to 45...I drop to 40...about a mile after the sign I check the rear view and officer friendly is driving at the speed of light to catch up. I was speeding... Hooray for mobile state sponsored cashiers who take my money in return for an increase of 'driving points' on my record!

The opportunity cost of those tickets was at least a rape and drug deal...

the death of common sense....misguided authority

846 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:20pm

re: #843 Alouette

Maybe he can be adopted by a Jewish family, and they will make him an upsherenish. Leave lovely payos.

LOL

847 theheat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:31pm

Kind of embarrassing to say, but I know several people who think there's something to this birth certificate thing. They grasp the concept of anchor babies, but not an American citizen who gave birth on American soil. Maybe they don't think Hawaii is part of America?

There isn't enough here to even be an interesting conspiracy theory. I don't get the enthusiasm for it.

848 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:32pm

re: #838 vxbush

Point taken. I hate the idea of the national ID card. So each state should have one and one form only. Yes, there would be fifty different forms for states (and a few others for territories), but we wouldn't have this long form, short form, whatever form nonsense.

Even with one over-all form there would be discrepancies that conspiracy strange attractors would see to spout some bullshit theory or three. Deal with humans and there will be imperfection someone can exploit.

849 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:50pm
850 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:52:08pm

re: #838 vxbush

Point taken. I hate the idea of the national ID card. So each state should have one and one form only. Yes, there would be fifty different forms for states (and a few others for territories), but we wouldn't have this long form, short form, whatever form nonsense.

Why. If you have any legal, real state or federal sort of ID (driver, passport), the government already has all the connections it needs for information about you.

If the government wanted to stop you from buying something, traveling somewhere, what ever, they could do that right now, maybe not legally, but they have the ability to do that right now.

So, how would an national ID make things any different?

851 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:52:12pm

re: #837 Occasional Reader

I think the vast majority of speeding tickets amount to little more than a randomly-assessed, arbitrary tax.

I am going to be in the states for a whopping 2 weeks this Christmas season and if I come away without a ticket I'll be shocked. Shocked I tell ya.

852 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:52:14pm

Gotta run, Lizards! Time to engage in my secret training of future Lizards -- that or go play in After-school! Chowders!

853 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:52:46pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

Ive been to the store plenty of times but I don't have the layout memorized. You could see any markings for the parking spaces. I was just parking in an empty spot between cars.

I got a speeding ticket once...sign was laying over in the bushes. Took a picture. Judge asked me, "Ever driven on that road?" FBV, "Yes, Your Honor". "Fine then, pay the fine."

I was asking like I was that mean old judge.

854 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:53:48pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

LOL. Hire yourself a high-powered lawyer - it shouldn't cost you more than 3 or 4 thou to beat the bum rap.

855 Alouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:54:01pm

re: #841 Creeping Eruption

Those kids are going to have the intellect and capabilities of lobotomized hamsters. I'd be surprised if they turn out to be intelligent enough to load a gun let alone plan mass murder.

Well, their namesakes planned mass murder.

856 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:54:20pm

re: #809 oh_dude

Now if you think "GROUP Think" *(GASP!) is going on here, you haven't seen me butting heads with Walter, or the threads on Gay Marriage, or many other things. The place where it might look like group think is going on is where something's already been hashed to death in fifteen previous threads, and someone pulls the dead flayed horse out of the rendering vat. Then everyone does jump in to toss said person into said rendering vat.

857 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:54:56pm

re: #849 buzzsawmonkey

One of the sad ironies of the child welfare system is that children born to crack whores and similar social lights are taken away from their unfit parents--and given to the grandparents who raised the crack whores.

Yhis sickening story is making big headlines here: The Death of 13 month old Christopher Thomas

The sickest and most outrageous part is that he was in a great foster home with people who wanted to adopt him, but CPS pulled him out and give him to the sickening c**t who murdered him. Times like this I long for the death penalty in Wisconsin.

858 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:08pm

re: #761 MoonbatBane

Point of law with a freaking cite to the actual statute.

Etc.

Begone, KOsling.

/are you a lawyer?

859 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:12pm

re: #856 Thanos

Well said homeboy.

860 bosforus  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:18pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Where I'm from it's technically not a handicapped spot unless it's got a posted sign in front of the spot. From my understanding a spot like that can only be enforced if the business owning the parking lot calls the cops. Likewise with parking lot stop signs.

861 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:30pm

re: #839 Dianna

Yes.

But it was a very handsome horse.

I'll take "Catherine the Great quotes" for $500, Alex.

862 EmmmieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:35pm

re: #843 Alouette

Now that is a handsome little boy. To be honest, he also looks healthier than the other boy. Maybe it was the lighting.

863 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:54pm

re: #851 Oh no...Sand People!

I am going to be in the states for a whopping 2 weeks this Christmas season and if I come away without a ticket I'll be shocked. Shocked I tell ya.

I haven't had a ticket since Oct. of 2000. Prudence and a radar detector. My cars have been fast (Cad STS and M-B CLK55) and I've driven fast . . . but careful.

You can do it!

864 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:55pm

re: #855 Alouette

Well, their namesakes planned mass murder.

Their namesakes would have thrown them in the trash (another irony of that whole "movement")

865 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:57pm

re: #847 theheat

There are so much other things about Our Messiah-King that are worthy of attention that just plain gets ignored by the Nirther bullshit regurgitation. Proverbs 26:11 is the operative here.

866 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:56:20pm

re: #845 albusteve


As I've pointed out before, it is utterly rediculous that someone can wind up doing more time for possession of an unregistered machinegun than they'd get for rape. Hell, with Federal sentancing guidlines, you might get off more easy if you just killed somebody.

That's absolute bullshit.