Nirther Lawsuit Bites the Dust

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US News • Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 11:33 am PST • Views: 253

And in other conspiracy theory news, the Supreme Court has rejected another lawsuit from the “Nirth Certifikit” crowd: Supreme Court rejects appeal questioning Obama’s citizenship.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Supreme Court has dismissed a second emergency appeal questioning Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president because he had dual British-American citizenship at birth.

The justices without comment on Monday refused to intervene in the November 4 presidential election, dismissing the claims of Cort Wrotnowski, a resident of Greenwich, Connecticut.

In his appeal, Wrotnowski claimed that because Obama’s father was a Kenyan-born British subject, the president-elect does meet the Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. His mother was a U.S. citizen, born in the United States.

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1 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:34:49am

Excellent.

2 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:35:11am

He really was born in Hawaii and not Kansas?

3 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:35:37am

"Et tu, supreme court?"
/troofer

4 bosforus  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:36:31am

George Noory working the controls today?

5 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:16am

Like the 9/11 Troofers-no amount of facts will make the BC folks call it quits.

6 Kragar  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:24am

Backers of the lawsuits exclaim "MAH BUHKETZ!"

7 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:41am

What a waste of Supremes time.

8 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:37:42am

Another House Of Cards falls flat.

9 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:38:49am

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

10 SWPaul  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:12am

Hell, illegal immigrants come here, give birth, and their children are US citizens. Obama was born in the country so yeah, he does meet the requirements. To fill out the day, I'll have to watch a documentary on Bigfoot today, Charles.

11 bloodnok  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:29am

This will probably embolden the nirthers. They are probably dying to make this into their own little gov't conspiracy.

12 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:41am

Just say no to drugs, NirthCertees.

13 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:39:45am

re: #8 jorline

Another House Of Cards falls flat.

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

/

14 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:40:14am

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

15 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:41:25am
16 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:20am

re: #9 faraway

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

Pardon?

Whose fear?

There's nothing to be curious about. Obama was born to an American citizen, that alone is sufficient. Second the State of Hawaii confirmed the validity of the Birth Certificate.

17 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:45am

re: #14 CapeCoddah

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

We can set up a Galactic Court and charge them $500 each to file a case.

$Change$

18 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:42:48am

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

19 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:00am

Nirthers will probably throw their shoes at the Supreme Court.

While I missed the other thread on the Arab world applauding the shoe thrower...I mean OMG how impotent can you get! A shoe! We roll with Abrams and they roll with shoes.

20 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:11am

How many moving parts would it take for the nirther conspiracy to work? And does it involve time travel, as in going back to 1961 to plant a birth announcement in a Honolulu newspaper?

Or does it take a really strong cup of tea to generate an infinite improbability field?

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:26am
22 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:30am

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

23 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:39am

Just because a lawsuit was dismissed won't stop the silliness from being promulgated endlessly for at least the next 4 years. A fart takes but a second to foul the air, while getting rid of the stench takes much longer.

24 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:49am

The way the Big "0" acts, I think he was born in Chicago.
He's no Local Hawaiian Boy.

25 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:43:51am
26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:16am

re: #14 CapeCoddah

HA! Where does the idiot turn to now, the world court?

Our Messiah-King is a Citizen of the World, so yeah.

27 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:17am

re: #13 The Other Les

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

/

Hey, Les. How are you today?

Solution for troofers...prescribe Ambian, less time to think before falling asleep.

28 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:26am

YES! May all those "Obama birth" bastards just shut up already!
And stuiec, is that a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference?

29 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:42am

re: #9 faraway

Fear trumps intellectual curiosity

Huh?!?!

30 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:50am

re: #18 WrathofG-d

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

Explain?

31 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:53am

Kilgore posted a copy of a sentence from AS last night. Totally stupid.

32 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:44:58am

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Finally. Everybody can be mad at SNL!

And the NY Post also I guess.

33 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:26am
34 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:37am

OK. Which one of you space aliens has been beaming idiot rays down to earth? I am amazed at the number of truly baffling stories on Drudge.

The world is going batshit insane.

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:45:43am

re: #18 WrathofG-d

Without personally commenting on the issue of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, (which I don't believe is actually a viable issue),...

... it should be pointed out that the SCOTUS refusing to hear a case does not mean that it without merit.

Yet it doesn't automatically give it a veneer of a truth being denied either.

36 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:46:44am

re: #7 Creeping Eruption

What a waste of Supremes time.

I was pondering this morning where the Gitmo detainees could be tried if they end up being shipped into the USA. Do you suppose they could be tried directly by the Supreme Court? It would limit the number of potential leakers of classified data, eliminate the middlemen in the appeals process, and keep the Justices busy. Plus it might open the eyes of a Kennedy or Souter to the nature of the enemy America faces.

37 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:08am

re: #17 lifeofthemind

We can set up a Galactic Court and charge them $500 each to file a case.

$Change$

I'll bet that there are some guys in Nigeria who would be glad to handle the paperwork for a small fee.

38 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:37am

re: #23 FurryOldGuyJeans

A fart takes but a second to foul the air, while getting rid of the stench takes much longer.

Kant?

39 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:47:38am

re: #24 IslandLibertarian

The way the Big "0" acts, I think he was born in Chicago.
He's no Local Hawaiian Boy.

Ha. He just sought out the one place in America where his temperament and ambition would fit right in.

40 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:05am

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

When the Supreme Court decided issues in favor of President Bush in 2000, many people said--quite rightly--"the Court has spoken; enough already."

Unwelcome as many people may find the election of Barack Obama, the same response is appropriate.

Devolving into the right-of-center equivalent of the "selected, not elected" obsessives does nothing good for conservatives, for conservatism, or--more important--for the political culture of the nation.

This bullshit should never have been elevated to the level that it needed to be considered by the SCOTUS. Can you imagine the furor if some 9/11 troofer pushing a criminal conspiracy lawsuit that far?

41 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:06am

re: #38 Creeping Eruption

Kant?

Kan, but it may take air freshener.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:08am

Obama is going to be "in the cross-hairs" of "troofer" types for a while. May as well start the popcorn.

43 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:21am

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Finally. Everybody can be mad at SNL!

From the article.
Gov. Paterson didn't see the humor in a "Saturday Night Live" bit that mocked his blindness.
Did they really write this?

44 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:39am

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

45 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:48:48am

re: #11 bloodnok

This will probably embolden the nirthers. They are probably dying to make this into their own little gov't conspiracy.

Oh noes! Loose Nirth!

46 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:00am

... and there was no nirth in kooksville, mighty Berger had struck out.

47 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:20am

re: #28 davinvalkri

YES! May all those "Obama birth" bastards just shut up already!
And stuiec, is that a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference?

Yes, and a particularly cool and froody one, if I do say so myself.

48 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:28am

re: #27 jorline

Hey, Les. How are you today?

Solution for troofers...prescribe Ambian, less time to think before falling asleep.

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:47am

re: #43 kcladderman

Yeah, they did. I didn't even notice a "Oh Shit! I can't believe we're doing this, moment either.

I thought it would be impossible to offend me. I was "stunned" offended.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:49am

131 Killgore Trout

Another great quote from Pamela...

It;s not only wbat you dteach but what you dont teach.

Edumacashun!

51 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:49:58am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

OT

Where are you?

52 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:03am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Caroline Kennedy will pursue the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton, sources tell CNN.

Almost as qualified as the POTUS elect.

53 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:21am

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Explain?

The SCOTUS refuses to hear approximately 80% (if not more) of the cases that are sent to them. They do so for various reasons, don't want to, don't have time, feel the issue has already been resolved, feel that there is no issue with the lower court's decisions, etc.

As it stands now, (I believe, I haven't really looked too much into it, nor read the link above) they are just refusing to hear it. Thus, we cannot act as if they have heard it and found it to be without merit.

54 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:23am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Well, if Obama can be elected President with the qualifications he has, she ought to be qualified to be Queen of the Western World.

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:38am

re: #38 Creeping Eruption

Kant?

I came up with that all on my own, or did some subconscious plagiarism of someone I have never read.

56 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:41am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I am listening to FOX and it seems that Caroline Kennedy got pissed off big time by being dissed last week by those who called her unqualified? Hell has no fury like a women scorned I guess? Especially one with millions!

Good ...maybe she will understand how Sarah Palin felt when the democrats were tearing her apart ...and she is more qualified than Caroline Kennedy for anything except maybe handing out medals for the Kennedy Center ...

Sorry for ranting but they really make me sick ...

57 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:52am

The chick on FOX just said Caroline's father held the NY Senate seat? It was her uncle, but hell all Kennedy's look alike.

58 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:56am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

That sucks!

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:50:57am

re: #43 kcladderman

The middle picture, is the actual clip.

60 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:07am

re: #35 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet it doesn't automatically give it a veneer of a truth being denied either.

Exactly! Although I don't believe there is merit to their claim, the SCOTUS denying to hear the case leaves it neutral.

61 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:10am

They plan to Take it to a higher power : The Hague

/

62 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:10am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

OT

Where are you?

I bet he isn't in his car :-)

63 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:15am

re: #36 stuiec

I was pondering this morning where the Gitmo detainees could be tried if they end up being shipped into the USA. Do you suppose they could be tried directly by the Supreme Court? It would limit the number of potential leakers of classified data, eliminate the middlemen in the appeals process, and keep the Justices busy. Plus it might open the eyes of a Kennedy or Souter to the nature of the enemy America faces.

As far as I know, there has only been one criminal trial directly to the Supremes.

64 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:20am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.

65 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:36am
66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:44am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

yay car!

67 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:51:44am

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:25am

re: #67 Racer X

Oops.

69 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:32am

re: #56 JacksonTn

Good ...maybe she will understand how Sarah Palin felt when the democrats were tearing her apart ...and she is more qualified than Caroline Kennedy for anything except maybe handing out medals for the Kennedy Center ...

Sorry for ranting but they really make me sick ...

Go ahead rant away. You make alot of sense!

70 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:52:37am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

71 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:18am

re: #53 WrathofG-d

The SCOTUS refuses to hear approximately 80% (if not more) of the cases that are sent to them. They do so for various reasons, don't want to, don't have time, feel the issue has already been resolved, feel that there is no issue with the lower court's decisions, etc.

As it stands now, (I believe, I haven't really looked too much into it, nor read the link above) they are just refusing to hear it. Thus, we cannot act as if they have heard it and found it to be without merit.

That's why I was asking. If you haven't looked into it, then you don't know if they looked over the case and were weighting merit or not.

So, it's an either/or situation for the moment.

72 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:20am

re: #67 Racer X

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

Oh the irony.

73 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:33am

re: #50 MandyManners

I had a good laugh at that one too :)

74 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:53:49am

re: #70 Thanos

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

Rubbing Alcohol.

75 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:00am

re: #70 Thanos

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

I blow dryer won't reach, use blow torch.

76 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:13am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

Rubbing Alcohol.

Pee on it?

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:27am

re: #70 Thanos

Ignore Thanos' advise. Stay in the house. Mix a strong drink. Go back to bed.

78 lookingup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:43am

There are many reasons why the Supreme Court will not accept a case. Not the least consideration it could overturn the will of the electorate. They would be very, very reluctant to do that. This issue has to be kicked screaming and kicking down the memory hole.

79 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

I blow dryer won't reach, use blow torch.

Hammer and cold-steel chisel? Crowbar? Sledgehammer?

80 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:44am
81 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:05am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

Rubbing Alcohol.

Do I drink it?

82 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:20am

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

What if she is a she?

83 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:25am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.


Your'e lucky your lips didn't freeze to it!

84 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:28am

re: #52 jorline

Caroline Kennedy will pursue the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton, sources tell CNN.

Almost as qualified as the POTUS elect.

Another linky now.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:33am

re: #60 WrathofG-d

Exactly! Although I don't believe there is merit to their claim, the SCOTUS denying to hear the case leaves it neutral.

Even if he were not born in Hawaii the virtue of having an American mother would be sufficient for some Constitutional lawyer to gin up Our Messiah-King being a citizen.

Occam's Razor makes it all too hard to swallow the convoluted BS the Nirthers are shoveling.

86 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:40am

re: #74 Creeping Eruption

That works, but it drives the lubricant out of the lock.

87 Russkilitlover  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:44am

re: #22 lawhawk

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

Yet another good argument for Loser Pays.

88 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:49am

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yay car!

It's a 1998 Chevy Prizm, Toyota engine (I'm told by mechanic) and on 75 thousand on it. One owner (me), paid off a LONG time ago, and my mechanic says I'm due for a break job first and then clutch, but I'm don't going to die if I don't get those two items done right now (I couldn't afford it right now).

89 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:55:56am

Halp us Pamula, Nirth Certifikit is in trubble

90 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #81 faraway

Do I drink it?

One for the car, one for me. . . . No, pour it into the lock.

91 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:05am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

get a step ladder?

92 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:20am

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

That's why I was asking. If you haven't looked into it, then you don't know if they looked over the case and were weighting merit or not.

So, it's an either/or situation for the moment.

Yes. I wasn't saying that there was merit. In fact, I believe my original comment expressly stated that I wasn't weighing in on the merit of the issue. I personally don't believe there is.

I just know that some on this thread were going to use this refusal to hear the case as some sort of "proof" that there is no merit! I was attempting to resolve that issue before it began.

93 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:26am

re: #57 Nevergiveup

The chick on FOX just said Caroline's father held the NY Senate seat? It was her uncle, but hell all Kennedy's look alike.

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

94 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:30am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

Well the technique might be harder but the concept is the same.

95 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:56:45am

re: #63 Creeping Eruption

As far as I know, there has only been one criminal trial directly to the Supremes.

Which one was that?

And wouldn't the Gitmo detainees represent a special class of people who need unique handling?

I have no idea if it would be feasible to put them on trial in the Supreme Court, but it seems awfully risky to try them in any other existing Federal court.

96 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:00am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

OT

Where are you?

Minneapolis.

97 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:01am

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

...All are leaving Colorado in time for Christmas — joining a traditional holiday migration that will number almost 1 million people, says Mexico's interior ministry. But they have no intention of returning to Colorado, a place that promised prosperity.

Mexico's National Statistics and Geography Institute estimates that 814,000 Mexicans emigrated to the U.S. in 2006, compared to 1.2 million in 2007.

Arnal noted that Mexico's economy is growing, albeit modestly. Mexico's Treasury Department reported a 1.7 percent growth rate for the third quarter and forecasts 2 percent growth for the year.

But hard times, not tepid growth back home, are prompting some Colorado Mexicans to leave.

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

98 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:15am

re: #83 TaeJohnDo

Your'e lucky your lips didn't freeze to it!

For the scene in which Flick's tongue sticks to the flagpole, a hidden suction tube was used to safely create the illusion that his tongue had frozen to the metal.

99 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:22am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

Are yuh sure?

100 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:36am

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Yes. I wasn't saying that there was merit. In fact, I believe my original comment expressly stated that I wasn't weighing in on the merit of the issue. I personally don't believe there is.

I just know that some on this thread were going to use this refusal to hear the case as some sort of "proof" that there is no merit! I was attempting to resolve that issue before it began.

OK

101 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:57:40am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

What if she is a she?

Then don't wear heels when you do it -- not enough traction -- we don't want you to slip!

102 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:16am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

No JFK was the Senator from Mass when he ran. RFK was the Senator from NY. Teddy was given JFK's seat when he ascended to the Presidency.

103 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:22am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Really?

104 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:32am

re: #93 Big Steve

JFK was a senator from NY when he ran for President. Teddy is a Senator from Massachusetts.

RFK was the senator from NY. JFK's offices (except Pres) were all Massachusetts (congress, then the senate)

105 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:58:59am

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

106 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:10am

re: #97 Racer X

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

...All are leaving Colorado in time for Christmas — joining a traditional holiday migration that will number almost 1 million people, says Mexico's interior ministry. But they have no intention of returning to Colorado, a place that promised prosperity.

Mexico's National Statistics and Geography Institute estimates that 814,000 Mexicans emigrated to the U.S. in 2006, compared to 1.2 million in 2007.

Arnal noted that Mexico's economy is growing, albeit modestly. Mexico's Treasury Department reported a 1.7 percent growth rate for the third quarter and forecasts 2 percent growth for the year.

But hard times, not tepid growth back home, are prompting some Colorado Mexicans to leave.

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

And I can't even afford to spend Christmas in Raton, New Mexico.

107 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:13am

re: #70 Thanos

I can unlock the passenger side but the damned thing won't open.

this was at about 0600, so I may be able to get it open now.

108 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:16am

You know, I was all "this is a troofer conspiracy" too, except for one thing: Obama's camp has spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers to keep from having to spend $10 or $15 to obtain and release a copy of his long form birth certificate (not the COLB, which is a summary of the long form, is missing many fields, uses "African" for race when that was not a term in use at the time, and could be obtain by a foreign national who filed to register their foreign birth with the State of Hawaii under a particular Hawaii statute). Could someone PLEASE explain why he would do that if there wasn't something there?! I still think that this whole thing is garbage, but I really can't come up with a reason for this expenditure. Maybe some smarter lizard than I can do so?

109 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:35am

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

you have stinky hot water ?

110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:46am

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

Hot water stinks? Where do you live? Is it a fishy smell?

111 Shug  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:59:48am

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

112 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:00pm

re: #105 CapeCoddah

LOL, DO NOT PEE on it or use hot water. It makes matters worse, not to mention the stink!

Speak for yourself?
/ Asparagus anyone?

113 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:06pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

DOOHHH!

114 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:09pm

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

115 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:09pm

re: #99 debutaunt

Are yuh sure?

JFK was Senator from Mass, Teddy took his seat when JFK was elected. RFK held the NY seat, which his niece is now going to occupy.

116 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:20pm

re: #95 stuiec

Which one was that?

And wouldn't the Gitmo detainees represent a special class of people who need unique handling?

I have no idea if it would be feasible to put them on trial in the Supreme Court, but it seems awfully risky to try them in any other existing Federal court.

I cannot for the life of me remember the name. If I remember correctly, it was at the turn of last century (around 1900). It was actually a criminal contempt trial against a Tennessee Sherriff (?) for allowing a mob to lynch a Black man accused of raping a White woman after the Court ordered the man (already convicted and sentenced to hang) held in custody and stayed the execution. I think it was a trial against those accused of lynching as well.

117 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:25pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

*rimshot*
ROFLMAO

118 badger1970  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:26pm

It's like screaming into a strong headwind. Nothing will come out of this (either side) except for a sore throat.

Talk about a waste of time and treasure (again on both sides).

119 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Hot water stinks? Where do you live? Is it a fishy smell?

AS a matter of fact...

120 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:34pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

Er, he can't get inside. But you understood that, right?

121 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:34pm

re: #114 Ben Hur

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

58 or 59, I beleive

122 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:00:45pm

re: #103 Dianna

Really?

That was at 6 AM.

123 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:07pm

re: #115 CapeCoddah

JFK was Senator from Mass, Teddy took his seat when JFK was elected. RFK held the NY seat, which his niece is now going to occupy.

I know - Big Steve was confused.

124 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:17pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley, a sleet storm had covered the drivers side of my car with about a quarter inch of ice. So I get in the car on the passenger side and get it started. I sit for a while as it heats up.
Soon, it is nice and toasty inside and I rolled down the drivers side window, thinking that would break up the ice there. It didn't, but it left me with an intact ice window.
So I look at my friend sitting next to me and say, "Cool, I've always wanted to do something like this" and I fling my left arm against the ice window and smash it to bits.
At which time all the accumulated snow above the window fell into my lap.

125 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:24pm

re: #108 MoonbatBane

You know, I was all "this is a troofer conspiracy" too, except for one thing: Obama's camp has spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers to keep from having to spend $10 or $15 to obtain and release a copy of his long form birth certificate (not the COLB, which is a summary of the long form, is missing many fields, uses "African" for race when that was not a term in use at the time, and could be obtain by a foreign national who filed to register their foreign birth with the State of Hawaii under a particular Hawaii statute). Could someone PLEASE explain why he would do that if there wasn't something there?! I still think that this whole thing is garbage, but I really can't come up with a reason for this expenditure. Maybe some smarter lizard than I can do so?

Can you explain why there was an announcement of birth in their local paper? Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?

126 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:28pm

re: #96 The Other Les

Minneapolis.

SO thats why the west wind (20-30 mph) brought my temps down to a toasty 5 degrees this morning.

127 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:30pm

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

Er, he can't get inside. But you understood that, right?

Details Details Details

128 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:32pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

No JFK was the Senator from Mass when he ran. RFK was the Senator from NY. Teddy was given JFK's seat when he ascended to the Presidency.

meant RFK sorry, my mistake.

129 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:35pm

re: #107 The Other Les

I can unlock the passenger side but the damned thing won't open.

this was at about 0600, so I may be able to get it open now.

If you have automatic trunk opener you can try popping it and crawlling in through the back if the seat drop down

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

My brother, who works as the bean counter for a car dealership, came by the house the other day with a car that has remote starting, so that ain't all that improbable.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Yep. Been there. Done that.

132 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:05pm

re: #111 Shug

Easy to fix. Just start the car and run the heater for a while

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

133 Russkilitlover  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:14pm

re: #67 Racer X

US anti-kidnapping expert kidnapped in Mexico

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A well-known U.S. anti-kidnapping expert has himself fallen victim to the wave of abductions in Mexico as unidentified assailants snatched him from a street in the northern state of Coahuila.

Local authorities say American Felix Batista was in Mexico to give talks and offer advice against kidnapping. The former U.S. army officer sometimes serves as a negotiator with kidnappers.

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

134 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:19pm

re: #121 sattv4u2

58 or 59, I beleive

Ah.

OK.

The first Settler President!

FREE HAWAII!

135 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:56pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

This is a self-correcting problem. Just wait until May, June at the latest.

136 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:02:58pm

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

This is a job for...Al Gore!

Why hasn't someone photoshopped him into a Super-Hero bodysuit?

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #129 Thanos

If that happens to you. Ignore Thanos' advise. Go back inside. Pull the covers back over your head. Go back to sleep.

Dang it, Thanos!?

138 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:28pm

re: #111 Shug

How's he gonna start the car if he can't open the door!?
Maybe try directed heat, like a hair dryer, cordless?
If you've got a flamethrower you can try that.

139 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:28pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

It's impossible for that to have happened! Let me get out my roll of chicken wire - hang on...

140 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:38pm
141 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

Wait for spring

142 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:03:44pm

re: #114 Ben Hur

What year was Occupied Hawaii annexed and the aboriginals forced into citizenship and statehood?

21 August 1959.

143 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:04:30pm

Interesting item at Michelle Malkin:

Kidnapped Iraqi reporter freed, says no ransom paid
19 Nov 2007 13:33:27 GMT
Source: Reuters
BAGHDAD, Nov 19 (Reuters) - An Iraqi TV journalist who was kidnapped last week in a busy Baghdad neighbourhood said he was released unharmed before dawn on Monday.

Muntazer al-Zaidi, a correspondent for the independent al- Baghdadiya television station, said he spent more than two days blindfolded, barely eating and drinking, after armed men forced him into a car as he walked to work on Friday morning in the bustling Bab al-Sharji area of central Baghdad.

“My release is a miracle. I couldn’t believe I was still alive,” Zaidi, 28, told Reuters by telephone.

Zaidi said the kidnappers had beaten him until he lost consciousness. They used his necktie to blindfold him and bound his hands with his shoelaces.

He never learned the identity of the kidnappers, who questioned him closely about his work but did not demand a ransom.

The captors later told Zaidi he would be released, throwing him on to a dark street, still blindfolded, around 3 a.m. (0000 GMT) on Monday. He was then picked up by his brother.

At least 122 journalists and 41 media support staff have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists. About 85 percent of those killed were Iraqis.

Some Iraqi journalists have been targeted by Sunni Arab militants or by Shi’ite militias. Others have been killed by U.S. forces while reporting. (Reporting by Waleed Ibrahim; Writing by Missy Ryan; Editing by Richard Balmforth)

Iraqi journalist hurls shoes at ‘dog’ Bush
Dec 14 02:36 PM US/Eastern

An Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes and an insult at George W. Bush, without hitting him, as the US president was shaking hands with the Iraqi premier at his Baghdad office on Sunday.

As the two leaders met in Nuri al-Maliki’s private office, a journalist sitting in the third row jumped up, shouting: “It is the farewell kiss, you dog,” and threw his shoes one after the other towards Bush.

Maliki made a protective gesture towards the US president, who ducked and was not hit.

The journalist, Muntazer al-Zaidi from Al-Baghdadia channel which broadcasts from Cairo, was frogmarched from the room by security staff, an AFP journalist said.

Coincidence?

144 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:04:34pm

re: #135 stuiec

No emissions, too. The Goracle would be proud!

145 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:22pm

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

146 Wishing  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:24pm

I heard this on the radio today: Chicago Tribune blew open the Blago case before the Feds could catch the actual sale.
Guy said that the Trib was helping the Feds since Oct

147 DistantThunder  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:26pm

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

148 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:32pm

re: #122 The Other Les

That was at 6 AM.

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

149 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:05:50pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley...

Wow, memories. When I was 14, on a boy scout trip from new Jersey, cross country, we stopped at Ft. Riley for the night. Food was really good in the mess, and the barracks were comfortable. Saw a movie that night in the theatre.

The only scary thing was, an officer gave us an orientation on the base and some safety stuff and he went through this whole thing about tornado's and ditches and not getting sucked up to Oz.

He man, this was Kansas, I was from the East coast, this was scary.

Of course, since then, I've gone directly through two tornados, not problemo.

150 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:00pm
151 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:03pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

Once upon a time, when I was stationed at Ft. Riley, a sleet storm had covered the drivers side of my car with about a quarter inch of ice. So I get in the car on the passenger side and get it started. I sit for a while as it heats up.
Soon, it is nice and toasty inside and I rolled down the drivers side window, thinking that would break up the ice there. It didn't, but it left me with an intact ice window.
So I look at my friend sitting next to me and say, "Cool, I've always wanted to do something like this" and I fling my left arm against the ice window and smash it to bits.
At which time all the accumulated snow above the window fell into my lap.

Am I a bad person for laughing?

152 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:06:30pm

re: #134 Ben Hur

Ah.

OK.

The first Settler President!

FREE HAWAII!

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

153 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:00pm

re: #148 Dianna

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

154 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:01pm

re: #135 stuiec

This is a self-correcting problem. Just wait until May, June at the latest.

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

155 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:30pm

re: #147 DistantThunder

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

I don't see what he could contribute. There weren't and teeny-boppers in the video that I could see.

156 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:42pm
157 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:57pm

re: #146 Wishing

I heard this on the radio today: Chicago Tribune blew open the Blago case before the Feds could catch the actual sale.
Guy said that the Trib was helping the Feds since Oct

Next time 3 Wood is here, talk to him about it. He has lots of insight re: the Trib in all this. According to him, the Trib had a deal with Fitzgerald to sit on this even longer than they did

158 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:59pm

re: #148 Dianna

Are you going to try again, or just throw up your hands?

When that happened in the mountains, we used to use a blow dryer.

I have to try again.

159 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:07:59pm

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Pee on it?

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

160 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:14pm

re: #97 Racer X

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.
"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

He's been in this country since he was a teenager, nearly 20 years, and he still thinks of Mexico as his country? These are not your grandparents' immigrants (or your immigrant grandparents).

161 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:26pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

250 mile long extension cord?

162 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:08:31pm

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

How do you propose to get in the car to start it up when the doors are frozen?

Heat the key with a lighter.

163 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:08pm

re: #22 lawhawk

There are still several other claims like this on the docket; the court is doing whatever it can to keep these guys from clogging the docket with useless litigation, although they're not about to start sanctioning those people (yet). But none of these suits have a chance of surviving, let alone being decided in favor that Obama isn't a US citizen and legitimately entitled to be President.

Berg's suit is still alive for the moment, so the troofers are going to hold out hope.

These guys will not give up the ghost.

Of course they won't. Conspiracy theorists don't care about the truth - they care about drawing attention to themselves. And filing bat-shit-crazy suits with the Supreme Court is one sure way to make people stare at you.

I don't even understand the basis of this suit. If you're born on US soil, you're a natural-born US citizen. End of story. Your parent's nationality doesn't mean jack.

I really hope the courts start levying fines against these butt puckers. Then they can sit in their mom's basements and get together on a forum to whine to each other about their sad, miserable lives, and the rest of us can go back to ignoring them.

164 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:19pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

Well everyone knows not to eat the yellow snow don't they?

165 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:24pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Heat the key with a lighter.

He said the locks still worked, the door itself was frozen solid.

166 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:33pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Where did you plug it in? The cigarette lighter?

Extension cord.

167 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:09:49pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

168 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:13pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

South Park has shown him with a cape, in would-be superhero mode.

I've not watched that in ages.

169 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:22pm

re: #158 The Other Les

I have to try again.

Do you have a blow dryer, or a neighbor with one? If so, plug into the nearest outlet, use an extension cord, and it will work.

170 bmorte  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:24pm

re: #125 Outrider

Can you explain why there was an announcement of birth in their local paper? Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?

I thought we weren't going to discuss this again. But while we are on the topic... When my children were born I put notices in the paper where I grew up even though I had not lived there in years. Grandparents do it all the time, too.

171 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:37pm

re: #166 Dianna

Extension cord.

I was being silly. Sorry. Lack of happy Lizards here today. Maybe being poor and stupid like me has it's advantages.

172 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:39pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

ESPECIALLY with your tongue

Image: tongue_stuck_on_pole.jpg

173 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:10:50pm

re: #158 The Other Les

I have to try again.

Be careful about getting too much heat on the glass parts, the lock mechanisms & handles are lower anyway. You don't want your window to crack.
Don't try boiling water.

This is learned from 20 years of watching neighbors wreck their cars trying to get doors unfrozen in Fairbanks, hair dryers work great but take a bit of patience.

174 ErnieG  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:01pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

Even if the car is unstoppable, it helps if you can get the door open.

175 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:19pm

re: #160 doppelganglander

He's been in this country since he was a teenager, nearly 20 years, and he still thinks of Mexico as his country? These are not your grandparents' immigrants (or your immigrant grandparents).

Exactly.

Immigrants have been treating America like a whore.

Good riddance!

176 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:50pm

re: #97 Racer X

OK, now I'm really getting worried.

Oh, now I get it. The market meltdown and the recession are part of a big conspiracy to trick all the illegals into leaving voluntarily. Then, when they're all gone - SLAM THE BORDER SHUT BEHIND THEM.
//

177 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:11:51pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Heat the key with a lighter.

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.

178 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:10pm

re: #136 MandyManners

Why hasn't someone photoshopped him into a Super-Hero bodysuit?

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

179 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:23pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

oh...OH!

180 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:52pm

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

181 AreaMan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:12:54pm

If the conspiracy is deep enough, Obama himself might not know where he was born. He was only told. You don't actually remember your birth do you? Your parents told you where you were born, and you foolishly believed them.

In fact, how do you know they're your parents? Did you test their DNA?

The day after he's sworn in, the secret conditioning in Obama's brain will kick in and he'll press the Big Nuclear Button. Or maybe the "Alien" will pop out of his chest...

And how do you know he's really black? They can Photoshop TV these days, plus, makeup and skin dye have been available for centuries.

---
If the car is still frozen shut, you can pour boiling water over the lock.

182 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:05pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Car is frozen. Doors won't open.

try all the doors - I had to crawl through the car to open my drivers side.

183 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:07pm

re: #177 Dianna

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.


Why? Does it feel cheap and used?

184 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #177 Dianna

That doesn't get the door unstuck, and it's not terribly good for the key.

I was speaking about the lock itself.

185 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:24pm
186 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:34pm

re: #178 SixDegrees

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

Oh, ick. Just, ick.

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:41pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

They now sell cars with remote starting so it ain't all that improbable.

188 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:45pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

Uh ... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

189 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:51pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

hmmm,,, I seem to recall a car commercial years ago re; how do the snow plow drivers get to work. Can't recall the car company, but the gist of it was that the snow/ ice/ weather couldn't stop this car

Volkswagen. The original Beetle.

190 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:13:52pm

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

I was being silly. Sorry. Lack of happy Lizards here today. Maybe being poor and stupid like me has it's advantages.

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

191 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

Should be used to that , being from Nicaragua.

192 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:22pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

Before you defrost the car doors and start the engine, don't forget to put a potato in the exhaust pipe. This is essential.

Not a banana?

193 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:27pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

LIZARDS ,,, WAKE UP!
Shug's #111 was HUMOR!

Humor comes hard for lizards, I have a theory that it's those weird lids in their reptilian eyes.

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog

Uh ... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

Charleston, WV.

195 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:37pm
196 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:14:38pm

Electric blanket

197 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:14pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

DON'T KEEEL HIM!

198 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:16pm

re: #108 MoonbatBane

A reason I could think of for not releasing the BC, aside from the distraction factor, is the possibility that the actual BC recorded the religion, as reported by the parent(s) at the time of birth, and if that became public, it could have seriously wounded his campaign.

199 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:19pm

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog

Uh ... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

Oh yeah, discount the trivia, you truther! ;)

200 lookingup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:22pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

Before you defrost the car doors and start the engine, don't forget to put a potato in the exhaust pipe. This is essential.

Laughing out loud, it causes restriction and the engine warms up quicker. lol

201 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:15:38pm

re: #159 faraway

If you do, don't touch the ice or you'll get stuck. Try to explain that one.

Depending upon ... er ... well, you know ... prior events, an emergency circumcision might be necessary.

202 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:00pm

re: #93 Big Steve

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

203 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:03pm

You can pour either anti freeze or window washer fluid around the door, just take it to a car wash afterward.

204 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:14pm

Wasssup Lizard Nation?

205 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:15pm

re: #193 Thanos

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

206 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:29pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Yup.

207 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #147 DistantThunder

Unbelieveable: CNN is about to have on Scott Ridder - former weapons inspector - and accused pedophile fame - to discuss the Shoe attacker incident in Iraq.

It's Rick Sanchez - what do you expect.

Sanchez is a dick with ears.

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:43pm

re: #193 Thanos

Humor comes hard for lizards, I have a theory that it's those weird lids in their reptilian eyes.

Lieutenant Steven Hauk: I understand you're pretty funny as a dee-jay and, well, comedy is kind of a hobby of mine. Well, actually, it's a little more than just a hobby, Reader's Digest is considering publishing two of my jokes.

-Good Morning Vietnam.

209 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:16:47pm

re: #190 Dianna

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

You can't bring in a space heater?

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:04pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Why bother trying to open the door when you can just crawl through the trunk?

211 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:15pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Yes!
So what's you point!?

212 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:19pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

Lt Gov in Maryland I think. A Kathleen Townsend or something like that.

213 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

That's not true. Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.

214 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:28pm

re: #178 SixDegrees

I'm pretty sure Michael Moore has a life size blowup of that pasted on the ceiling over his bed.

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

215 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #207 opnion

Sanchez is a dick with ears.

I got both a dick and 2 ears?

216 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

Let me start by being very clear. I have no doubt that Obama is eligible to be president.

I think for me the problem i am having is that this is the first time i have heard you could be president without establishing your basic eligibility. I guess i assumed that sometime before taking the oath of office, they required you to show proof you were eligible.

Now, this is where the lawyer in me comes out big time. there is a difference between process and outcomes. of course there are alot of people who confuse the two. Al Franken, for instance, is confusing what the right process for counting votes with the outcome he is seeking. And both sides are susceptible to this. But some of us do respect process in and of itself and on this, well, just as we should be forced to prove who we are before we vote, shouldn't we require a person to prove where he was born before becoming president?

And in law we have the concept of the "best evidence rule." So what is the best evidence of his place of birth? an old newspaper? a newly created birth certificate?

No. An original. And if it is missing, or whatever, then and only then we go to these other sources.

The other sources are solid enough to believe him if we can't produce the original birth certificate, but still I want to either 1) see that best evidence or 2) have an explanation as to why that best evidence is not available. This is truly not about outcomes, but about process. As a matter of good process, we should always see that birth certificate.

And I'll go as far as to say I don't mind if Obama is seated without having produced it. To suddenly apply the rule now would raise concerns of selective application of the rules if we said it the first time with him. i am reminded of when they tried to seat the first black senator, hiriam revels. A number of, well, rednecks, objected saying he was not qualified. Why? The argument was both evil and ingenius. It went like this. Under Dredd Scott, no black man could be a citizen. Now, of course, the 14th A overturned this, but this was 1870, so that was only 2 years ago. A senator had to be a citizen for longer than 2 years, thus Mr. Revels couldn't be a senator. The arguments on the other side were interesting. the first was that Dred Scott was never good law in the first place so in fact he was always a citizen, the 14th A only made that crystal clear. The second was to say "how do we know he was black?"--pointing out, for instance, he was only 1/8 black. and the third was to say, "you guys didn't raise this concern when we were admitting citizens of texas into congress, so why the sudden concern?" (after all, Texas was its own country at one point and thus a texan is not typically going to be a citizen of the US, too.)

So let's give Obama a walk. Yeah, in part because he is black, because I fear that racism might be behind some of this, or that it might be otherwise outcome driven (as in, we fear he will be a disaster--and mind you, i share that fear). and that walk, as far as i am concerned, goes all the way to (god help us) if he is reelected. But still, going forward, shouldn't we see the BC, at least going forward?

As a matter of process, i say yes.

217 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

He was/is a Sandinista. Consider the source.

218 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:51pm

re: #168 MandyManners

I've not watched that in ages.

South Park has slammed Gore mercilessly in several episodes. See, in particular, "ManBearPig" and "Imaginationland," which both feature him in self-delusional superhero mode.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ever since these episodes aired, my kids have though Al Gore is a total idiot. They snicker whenever his name is mentioned.

So South Park is high on my educational television list.

219 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:54pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

I suspect it did, but it's all Les' fault. It's a conspiracy, he doesn't want us mocking the nirth certers or something...


///

220 Kragar  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:17:56pm

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

Ever listen to Rick Roberts? He runs a report "This week in Mexico". Unless you want to end up raped, robbed, extorted, kidnapped, murdered or all of the above, you do not go to Mexico for any reason.

221 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:38pm

re: #212 Nevergiveup

Yes! That sounds right. Thanks.

222 faraway  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:47pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

Rub your boobs on the door.

Now this is a boob thread :)

223 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:52pm

Easy way to NEVER deal with frozen doors !
GARAGE!
My work truck is always frozen tho...!I just pull really hard !
Is no my trock!

224 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:18:56pm
225 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:01pm

re: #213 doppelganglander

That's not true. Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

226 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:19pm

re: #219 Thanos

Hell, LIFE IS A CONSPIRACY OF A BILLION BILLION CELLS!
Well, technically it is--I mean losing a few million of those could cause som pretty bad injury.

227 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:19:58pm

OBAMA REVIEW DONE; RELEASE NEXT WEEK

"At the direction of the President-elect, a review of Transition staff contacts with Governor Blagojevich and his office has been conducted and completed and is ready for release. That review affirmed the public statements of the President-elect that he had no contact with the governor or his staff, and that the President-elect's staff was not involved in inappropriate discussions with the governor or his staff over the selection of his successor as US Senator.

"Also at the President-elect's direction, Gregory Craig, counsel to the Transition, has kept the US Attorney's office informed of this fact-gathering process in order to ensure our full cooperation with the investigation.

"In the course of those discussions, the US Attorney's office requested the public release of the Transition review be deferred until the week of December 22, in order not to impede their investigation of the governor. The Transition has agreed to this revised timetable for release."

/but who's going under the bus?

228 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:03pm

re: #204 loppyd

Wasssup Lizard Nation?

We're freezing our butts off.

229 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:08pm

I would like to watch al bore blow up from eating too much re: #214 Son of the Black Dog

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

230 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:17pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (RFK's oldest daughter) was Lt. Gov. in Maryland and ran unsuccessfully for Congress.

231 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:27pm

I think she looks like John Kerry with long hair.

232 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:28pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

UN official critical of Israel gets death threats
Published: 12.15.08, 21:45 / Israel News
The Nicaraguan head of the UN General Assembly, who has been highly critical of Israel and the United States, has been the target of death threats posted on the Internet, his spokesman said on Monday.

D'Escoto, a Catholic priest, has repeatedly criticized both the United States and Israel since taking office in September. Recently he compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the former South African apartheid racial segregation policy. (Reuters)

Well in the interest of staying a Lizard, I'm going keep my mouth shut.

He was suspended by the Vatican in the 1980s together with two other priests involved in the Sandinista revolution, Ernesto and Fernando Cardenal. During a visit to Central America, Pope John Paul II publicly reprimanded him for his political activities.

233 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:53pm

re: #210 FurryOldGuyJeans

People who have a trunk latch to lower the back seat usually are not aware of it!
Had a car thief get in that way once!

234 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:53pm

re: #206 Creeping Eruption

Yup.

Burn the nirth cert for the heat to get the door open.

Now we can move on to the next topic.

Any suggestions? I'd recommend a new boob thread but I'm at work and it's be a bust for me if I did ...

235 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:54pm

re: #143 Ben Hur

Interesting item at Michelle Malkin:

Coincidence?

yma o hyd and I were talking about this 'coincidence' on an earlier thread this morning.

236 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:58pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.

you only got down to a -16, it was -15 here at 8 am. somewhere in the -20s during the night. I unfroze everything yesterday.

237 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:20:59pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/no, I did not make this up

LOL

238 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:10pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Am I a bad person for laughing?

Not at all. My friend and I laughed about it for weeks.

239 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:13pm

re: #222 faraway

No boobs. :) or :(?
Well, it's not me that has a frozen car door...or a frozen car...or a car...
HEY OBAMA! FREE CARS FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS! WHADAYA THINK!

/not really.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:14pm

re: #225 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

Sacramento is not the largest city in Kentucky.

241 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:21:18pm

re: #215 Nevergiveup

I got both a dick and 2 ears?

That would be the proper count.

242 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:05pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/Shopping Penguin

243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:14pm

re: #12 MrSilverDragon

Just say no to drugs, NirthCertees.

Or yes, if the drug in question is Prozac.

244 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:19pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Patently wrong.

In 33 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently not the state's most populous city.
245 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:23pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

You couldn't have them come by and pick you up, could you?

246 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:34pm

re: #235 gop_patriot


What was the gist?

Making his own news?

247 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:37pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So where do I go for my next fullauto assault rifle ?
Ah,Ah, tell me that ! Hummm?

248 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:44pm

re: #216 A.W.

Omigosh. That was a lot words to spend saying you still think there's a conspiracy.

Nirth cert certed by Hawaii in the form of a state offical. Good enough.

Now if you are a lawyer, and you think you have a freakin case ... knowing so much about the law as you must, being a lawyer and all.. .GO FILE AND PRESS your case, so we can laugh at you like we are Berger, bergman, or whoever the fruitcake is.

249 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:22:45pm

Hey, did you guys know that throwing shoes is a sign of contempt? Really! I just heard about it on the TV.

And all this time I thought the guy was just trying to hurt GWB.

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:03pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

Killian. There are millions of videos on YouTube. I'd love to hear how you found this one. Really. How?

251 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:05pm

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sacramento is not the largest city in Kentucky.

At least you get what I was trying to do...throwing out some ABSURD conspiracy trivia BS to have some fun with the general topic of the thread. ;)

252 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:06pm

re: #247 reloadingisnotahobby

Africa. I'm sorry.

253 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:14pm

re: #204 loppyd

LOPPS!

254 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:20pm

But in how many states is the capitol the most funkadelic city?

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:49pm

re: #244 lawhawk

Patently wrong.

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)

256 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:23:55pm

re: #214 Son of the Black Dog

If Algore doesn't quit putting on the pounds, he's going to look like Michael Moore.

Storing up fat so he can slumber through spring.

257 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:09pm

re: #204 loppyd

Wasssup Lizard Nation?

Hey Loppy, how is it goin?

258 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:17pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just a strange trivia bit:

Hawaii is the only state that has its largest city also be the capitol. All other states show the proper American disdain for government, even Alaska.

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog


Boston MAss

Uh ... Just off the top of my head:

Georgia - Atlanta
Indiana - Indianapolis
South Carolina - Columbia

I'm sure there are several others

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charleston, WV.

259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:23pm

re: #247 reloadingisnotahobby

So where do I go for my next fullauto assault rifle ?
Ah,Ah, tell me that ! Hummm?

Oh, full auto. I thought you wrote something completely different. Think Monica Lewinsky...

260 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:35pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

That's why we're lizards and not stoner moonbats!

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

262 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:02pm

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Killian. There are millions of videos on YouTube. I'd love to hear how you found this one. Really. How?

/RedEye, Planet Unicorn too

263 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:12pm

re: #260 davinvalkri

That's why we're lizards and not stoner moonbats!

thats right ,,, HEY ,DUDE ,,, , you gonna Bogart that joint, or what !?!?!

264 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:25pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!

I hope everyone had an excellent weekend and that this Monday finds you well and happy.

265 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:34pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do you have to take EVERYTHING so flaming SERIOUS?!? ;)


I think what he meant to say was "In 17 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently the state's most populous city."

266 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:37pm

re: #228 MandyManners

We're freezing our butts off.

Bunch of Sallies.

/ducking

267 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:42pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

/Shopping Penguin

I wonder what happened to the sea gull in Scotland which would dart into a market and make off with a bag of Cheetos.

268 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:44pm

re: #244 lawhawk

It states " Populous" not popular? Hmmm...I wonder if that's a trend ?

269 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:52pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

Is this another veterinarian inspired homosexual innuendo?

270 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:25:57pm

re: #259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL. I caught that.

Fullautio: the real bail out of the auto industry.

BWAHAHAHAHA

271 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #265 TaeJohnDo

I think what he meant to say was "In 17 of the 50 U.S. states, the state capital is currently the state's most populous city."

But 57 - 33 is 24!

272 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:11pm

re: #257 CapeCoddah

Hey Loppy, how is it goin?

Hey there! Good. Busy.

You?

273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:13pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

AHEM! It was just some conspiracy trivia humor trying to use Hawaii as a springboard, since that is in part the topic of the thread.

Only one person "got it," yeesh.

274 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:23pm

re: #224 ploome hineni

ot

/no, I did not make this up

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

275 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:35pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

276 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:52pm

re: #271 Silhouette

But 57 - 33 is 24!


I am humbled by your math skills.

277 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:26:58pm

YOU

278 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:09pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you hear about the "flaming" penguins?

I think that would be vastly preferable to snorting the damn things. ;)

279 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:21pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

thats right ,,, HEY ,DUDE ,,, , you gonna Bogart that joint, or what !?!?!

got a joint?

280 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:24pm

re: #268 reloadingisnotahobby

It states " Populous" not popular? Hmmm...I wonder if that's a trend ?

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

281 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:31pm

I'm going out to try it again.

282 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:44pm

re: #272 loppyd

Hey there! Good. Busy.

You?

Same here, how did you fare in that storm? Everything OK?

283 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:46pm

re: #277 Ben Hur

ACCHHH

MY EEEYYYEEES

AAACK

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:49pm

re: #262 Killian Bundy

/RedEye, Planet Unicorn too

Just wow.

285 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:27:59pm

re: #264 Ford_Prefect

Good Afternoon Lizards!

I hope everyone had an excellent weekend and that this Monday finds you well and happy.


Good afternoon Ford..Hope today finds you well.

286 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:01pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

bogart

287 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:04pm

re: #190 Dianna

I'm at work, and I ought to be home.

Grrr.

I'm humor impaired, at least partly because I'm freezing my buns off in this office today - the building turned off the heat over the weekend, oh joy!

Have you seen my toes?
I can't feel them anymore.

288 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:12pm

re: #277 Ben Hur

YOU

wtf is that?

289 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:12pm
290 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:34pm

re: #288 loppyd

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

291 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:35pm

re: #283 WriterMom

If it makes you feel any better, those pants can't be offering much protection to his testes. Punch him hard!

292 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:36pm

re: #252 davinvalkri
Aaaah! One word ...PIRATES!

293 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:42pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

Nah, not Fitchburg, Orange!

294 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:46pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

GOD ,,, you're young !

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

295 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:48pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

It helps your perspective if you consider life to be a fatal sexually transmitted disease.

Life is the leading cause of death.

296 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:28:56pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

Were the penguins seen at Fire Island or were their opinions on Judy Garland pro-offered? That would be one way to tell.
NTTATWWT.

297 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:14pm

re: #291 davinvalkri

Uh-no-somehow I don't think that will make me feel better.

298 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:14pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

299 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:15pm

re: #256 jorline

Storing up fat so he can slumber lumber through spring.

Fixed

300 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:30pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

LOL

301 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:32pm

re: #259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
?LOL?

302 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:35pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops

Good afternoon Ford..Hope today finds you well.

It does. And you?

303 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:58pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

heh...the bodies pile up dont they?...

304 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:29:59pm

re: #202 Lincolntf

I'm an Irish Catholic from Massachusetts and even I can't keep up with all the wheres and whens of various Kennedy office-holders. I know they've represented MA, NY, RI and I think that a (maybe a cousin?) female Kennedy was Lt. Gov in PA. How many other states have they infiltrated?

* * * *
Ugh, that was Kathleen Townshend Kennedy who was Lt. Governor of Maryland until Michael Steele (R) won her job for one term, when this Ms. Kathleen Townsend Kennedy ran for governor of Maryland with John McCain's former Naval Academy roommate, Chuck Larson.

305 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:04pm

re: #286 jorline

bogart


It's a tough job keeping the masses informed Jorline..:)

306 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:06pm

re: #296 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Were the penguins seen at Fire Island or were their opinions on Judy Garland pro-offered? That would be one way to tell.
NTTATWWT.

No, I guess one of them were doing a Striesand impersonation. Did you see that one penguin's beak?

307 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:07pm

re: #205 davinvalkri

Did this thread just morph from "the O's birth certificate lawsuit dropped" to "how to get a car door open when it's frozen shut"?

I started gradually, but I think we all agree now that if we find Obama's birth certificate, we are going to hold a lighter to it and after it's been properly disposed of, douse it with boiling water.

308 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:23pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!

Buy the book, Bar Mitzvah Disco.

309 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:40pm

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

No, I guess one of them were doing a Striesand impersonation. Did you see that one penguin's beak?

He was jewish?

310 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:45pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

well ,, I happen to know that in Massachusetts Boston is the most populous AND popular !

(what ,,, you think people are CRAVING to go to Fitchburgh !?!?!?!)

You can't get there from here...

311 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:50pm

re: #299 Son of the Black Dog

Fixed

That will work too.

312 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:51pm

re: #295 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not "death" is the leading cause of death?

313 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:55pm

re: #293 CapeCoddah

Nah, not Fitchburg, Orange!

Orange ,.,,, gateway to Athol!

314 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:30:59pm

re: #282 CapeCoddah

Same here, how did you fare in that storm? Everything OK?

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

315 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:01pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

Well, they are rather formally dressed. Aren't hetero male birds usually wearing old sweatshirts with holes in them?

316 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:09pm

re: #307 CyanSnowHawk

I started gradually, but I think we all agree now that if we find Obama's birth certificate, we are going to hold a lighter to it and after it's been properly disposed of, douse it with boiling water.

I'd just make water on it and then throw a shoe at it.

317 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:11pm

re: #249 father_of_10

Hey, did you guys know that throwing shoes is a sign of contempt? Really! I just heard about it on the TV.

And all this time I thought the guy was just trying to hurt GWB.

unless you're at an alternative rock concert. throwing your shoes on the stage shows full approval of band.

318 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:19pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

I know Humphrey Bogart, but what does Bogart mean as a verb?

to not share

319 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:27pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Orange ,.,,, gateway to Athol!

LOL, that urban paradise...

320 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:41pm

re: #275 davinvalkri

Don't Bogart that joint my friend ...pass it over to me...

321 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:47pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Orange ,.,,, gateway to Athol!

Orange is always on the news when it's cold - to make a point.

322 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:31:58pm

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just wow.

Found Happy Tree Friends on my own though.

/Ren & Stimpy's evil twin

323 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:09pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

Nah, just rain and wind here. Thankfully!

324 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:12pm

re: #298 Creeping Eruption

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

Right. I know that, I have had birds and raised them for years. And you just made my point. You had more "science" in your two sentences than that whole article.

The article was bullshit and the people at the zoo who reacted the way they did need to slack off on eating as much bark as they are doing.

What a bunch of earth-munchers.

325 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:30pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

Well if I know Bogart the actor, I can't be THAT young!
(goddamn hippies co-opting the badasses of the 1930s...)

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:32pm
327 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:35pm

re: #305 HoosierHoops

It's a tough job keeping the masses informed Jorline..:)

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

328 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:32:43pm

re: #321 loppyd

Orange is always on the news when it's cold - to make a point.

I spent a week there one night !@

329 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:15pm

re: #302 Ford_Prefect

It does. And you?


Another hour for work then I need to do a little Christmas Shopping..
What's not to like?

330 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:15pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

When was this Yogi?

331 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:27pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

God, I'm sorry too hear that.!LOL!

332 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:36pm

re: #295 FurryOldGuyJeans

Life is the leading cause of death.

George Carlin said that swallowing saliva over a long period of time causes death.

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:39pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

I spent a week there one night !@

Only a week?

334 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:44pm

re: #320 reloadingisnotahobby

Sorry, I'm a lizard, not a stoner. I get my kicks licking frogs!
...Ok, not really, I'm crazy enough as it is.

335 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:33:55pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't Bogart That Joint

-Little Feat

thanks for that...I was too lazy bro!

336 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:25pm

re: #330 loppyd

When was this Yogi?

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

337 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:27pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

What bothered me by this story is the total lack of science, or at least giving some little taste of science, you know, a little scientific explanation as to how they know that the two birds are gay.

I guess what I am questioning is the way they have tagged these tow birds with "human" like qualities when speaking about their sexual preference.

Is this just the "animal instinct" to "get off," or am I missing something. Is there a way to truly describe these birds like they do in the article?

They were holding flippers.

338 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:45pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

* * *
Hi Loppy D. Sorry to hear there's no free solar or wind power for every girl & boy in the Northeast yet. Darn those Kennedys who won't allow it in their back yard.

Praying for quick power comeback.

339 eastvillageinfidel  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:34:54pm

Oh brother. Is this going to be the new 'selected not elected' or 'not my president' schtick ? Personally, I'm confident 0's words and actions as pres will give us all plenty of slogan fodder.

340 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #327 jorline

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:14pm

re: #332 debutaunt

George Carlin said that swallowing saliva over a long period of time causes death.

I believe the quote is... Studies have found that saliva causes cancer. But only when swallowed in small quantities over long periods of time.

342 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:16pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

343 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:29pm

re: #336 FurryOldGuyJeans

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

LOL, right on!

344 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:32pm

re: #329 HoosierHoops

Another hour for work then I need to do a little Christmas Shopping..
What's not to like?

Was that missing a sarc tag? lol. Actually I am out of here myself soon. I spent most of the day working in the field. At least it was a decent day, just a little muddy after the rain last week and the warmer temps today.

345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:33pm

re: #335 albusteve

thanks for that...I was too lazy bro!

Don't Laze Me Bro!

346 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:38pm

re: #336 FurryOldGuyJeans

You obviously have never been to Orange, for which you should be infinitely grateful.

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

347 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:49pm

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I don't live too far from the US/Mexican border town of Tijuana. From what I hear and read, it's pretty horrific down there. It's a shame, really, Baja California is stunningly beautiful, but you won't get me down there for a long time. Not even to Cabo.

First of all, you can take your female rain and . . . it's been snowing all day.

Secondly, what about Juarez? Wanna go to Juarez with the father_of_10 crowd?

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:35:56pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

nom nom nom nom!

349 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

lmao

350 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #327 jorline

Hey Hoopster...my English teacher would croak if she knew I was supplying definitions...lol

and always keep an eye out for the Goddess around here..I check my structure and spelling so she won't mark me down.

351 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:26pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

nom nom nom nom!

What?

352 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:36pm

I'm at work, and most of the links used here would get me put on a list somewhere. And not a good, happy-Santa kind of list. More like the bad little boys-shit list.

I need to win the lotto.

353 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:38pm

re: #338 alegrias

* * *
Hi Loppy D. Sorry to hear there's no free solar or wind power for every girl & boy in the Northeast yet. Darn those Kennedys who won't allow it in their back yard.

Praying for quick power comeback.

F the Kennedys. I'm sick of the whole lot of them.

354 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:42pm

re: #346 loppyd

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

Quite, there is not much else there!

355 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:43pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

no flesh?...

356 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:50pm

re: #346 loppyd

I think I may have watched an ex-bf sky dive there. Possible?

very ,,, if you look on the map of Mass, Orange is denoted by a small X

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:56pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

Huh?

358 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:36:58pm

re: #225 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was throwing out some bad trivia, ok? ;)

Yeesh, you people have NO sense of humor.

Oh, I'm sorry. It's just that I am (and apparently a lot of other people are) obsessive fact checkers. I really didn't know you meant it as a joke.

359 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:03pm

re: #290 WriterMom

It's Ben Hur's bar mitzvah photo!


LOL!

360 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:24pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

nom nom nom nom!

What? That's French for "Name, name, name, name?"

361 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:26pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

You're invited to lunch. Garlic/basil stewed tomatoes, with chopped broccoli, brussell sprouts, onion and broth in a stewing up for about an hour.

Yummy (and -9 degrees outside).

Making up for an absent girlfriend, eh? ;)

362 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:33pm

It's official...

Caroline Kennedy to seek Senate seat

Caroline Kennedy has evidently decided she wants U.S,. Senate seat from New York to be vacated by Sen. Hillary Clinton who was chosen by President-elect BaracK Obama to be his secretary of State.

This is not a happy day for a lot of other New York Democrats like Rep. Carolyn Maloney or Andrew Cuomo, the state's attorney general, who have either openly said they want the seat or have been pushed for it.

I wonder how many cases of Canadian Whiskey it costs...

363 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:38pm

re: #345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't Laze Me Bro!

HOOOT!...that was just funny...HAHAHA...good one...ooofff

364 alegrias  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:42pm

re: #339 eastvillageinfidel

Oh brother. Is this going to be the new 'selected not elected' or 'not my president' schtick ? Personally, I'm confident 0's words and actions as pres will give us all plenty of slogan fodder.

* * *
Ideally, folks will channel energy & support to loyal opposition Congressional candidates to oppose rubberstamping the crazier impulses.

365 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:37:50pm

re: #314 loppyd

No ice at all - you?

My brother lost power late Thu night until early Sunday morning. With four kids.
Ugh.

did you make up the spare bedroom or living room floor?

366 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:00pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Huh?

Feh.

367 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:10pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

Either loud munching or a new Vedic yoga mantra.

368 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:14pm

re: #360 Walter L. Newton

What? That's French for "Name, name, name, name?"

or glutton for EAT EAT EAT EAT MORE MORE MORE MORE

369 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:18pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

Hell ,,, mine would croak if they knew I was still alive! They voted me Most Likely To Spontaneously Combust !

(the rep a young guy gets just because of a half dozen or so science lab accidents ! )

I used to have a lab partner who thought it was cool to put all of the chemicals that we would use over the course of the class into one container at the end of the class. Normally it just turn some odd color or something. every once in a while it got pretty ugly.

370 Kragar  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:30pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

NOM NOM NOM!

371 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:36pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

Internet onomatopoeia for eating.
How do you like that, reloading! Now I'm giving definitions.

372 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:45pm

re: #246 Ben Hur

What was the gist?

Making his own news?

Was he really kidnapped, or was he "borrowed"- so they could give him instructions on what to do at the press conference. This was the question, because of a link yma posted about who was doing the protesting. Her link showed that the protesters were some of the same bunch who supposedly did the "kidnapping". I'm looking for it now... Here is her post. Was this whole thing a set up for protesting/rioting/whatever? Just some thoughts.

373 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:46pm

re: #334 davinvalkri
Damn it!
I'm not a stoner!

I'm A DRUNK!
Got it ?...lol

374 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:38:49pm

re: #367 FurryOldGuyJeans

Either loud munching or a new Vedic yoga mantra.

Or he is gagging to death on something. Call 922.

375 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:02pm

re: #350 HoosierHoops

and always keep an eye out for the Goddess around here..I check my structure and spelling so she won't mark me down.

I think Charles should give goddess a red strike button. ;)

376 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:03pm

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

377 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:03pm

Keyboard test!

Oh, the joys of bluetooth!

378 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:06pm

re: #354 CapeCoddah

Quite, there is not much else there!

re: #356 sattv4u2

very ,,, if you look on the map of Mass, Orange is denoted by a small X

I'm guessing that neighboring town Cooleyhood doesn't live up to its name.

379 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:14pm

re: #286 jorline

bogart

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

380 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:37pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

Oh, I'm sorry. It's just that I am (and apparently a lot of other people are) obsessive fact checkers. I really didn't know you meant it as a joke.

I know, and that is why the humor worked so well; at least for me and FBV. ;)

381 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:52pm

re: #298 Creeping Eruption

Just a guess, but I bet that Penguins pair-bond for life. Other birds do it (Cranes for example). I am guessing that these two male birds bonded.

Not just gay but kinky. I always knew they were hiding something by wearing their formal wear all the time.

382 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:39:55pm

re: #266 loppyd

Bunch of Sallies.

/ducking

What's a Sally?

383 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:00pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe the quote is... Studies have found that saliva causes cancer. But only when swallowed in small quantities over long periods of time.

Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. — George Carlin, American stand-up comedian. Wikipedia:

384 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:19pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

The audience must have been stoned.

385 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:20pm

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

386 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:24pm

errr, that would be a "roach" ya know?

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:40:33pm

re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NOM NOM NOM!

Oh ouch! I have had that happen before.

388 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:03pm

re: #372 gop_patriot


Thanks, G.

O.P.

389 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:16pm

re: #378 loppyd

I'm guessing that neighboring town Cooleyhood doesn't live up to its name.

no ,, but interestingly Dudleyville is right next to Moores Corner and i'll bet he;'s never been to either!

390 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:28pm

re: #365 Eowyn2

did you make up the spare bedroom or living room floor?

Um, no. I get the worst sister in the world prize. I didn't know he had lost power until today. I didn't work Friday and didn't see his kids school listed as being canceled and the news coverage was of towns much further inland. But still. I feel baaad.

391 geir  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:56pm

re: #154 The Other Les

The problem is that I have a job interview with MnDOT (snow plow driver for next winter) on the 7th of January.

It's all a part of the testing for the interview. They are very serious about snow plow drivers up there.

392 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:41:59pm

re: #382 MandyManners

What's a Sally?

p*ssy

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:03pm

Oh, posted this earlier...seems to be a bunch of new folks in, so I will repeat...

So VeganBoy (offspring) and I go to see "The Day the Earth Stood Still" today. At the end, before the aliens leave, all of the electric/motorized/manufacturing stuff is disabled.

Credits are rolling, VeganBoy looks at me and says,

"We have taked ur lektrisiteez."

Great. LOL Aliens.

394 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:05pm

re: #385 Dianna

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

Wow, maybe man was descended from penguins and not monkeys after all.

395 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:07pm
396 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:24pm

re: #386 apachegunner


Don't scare the civilians.

397 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:30pm

re: #362 jcm

It's official...

Caroline Kennedy to seek Senate seat


I wonder how many cases of Canadian Whiskey it costs...

If an unqualified son of two Commies can become president, why can't the granddaughter of a liquor smuggler become a senator?

AMERICA!

398 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:35pm

re: #371 davinvalkri

Applause!
Put that joint out and get back to work! 0r what ever your doin!

399 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:41pm

re: #362 jcm

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:49pm

re: #383 debutaunt

Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. — George Carlin, American stand-up comedian. Wikipedia:

Oh. So Wikipedia is a better source than my failing memory? Meh.

401 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:42:51pm

re: #392 loppyd

p*ssy

Well, I have one.

402 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:21pm

re: #382 MandyManners

Probably some polite way of saying 'pussies'.

403 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:23pm

re: #385 Dianna

BTW, on Friday, at the Monterey Aquarium, we saw a penguin practicing self-gratification.

Make of this what you will.

And just HOW would a nice lady like YOU know what he was doing?

404 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:27pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

I bet she's partied with a lot of her rich constituents.

405 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:33pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, I have one.

I didn';t know you have a cat!

406 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:35pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

/she's a lawyer

407 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:41pm
408 Kragar  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:43pm

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, posted this earlier...seems to be a bunch of new folks in, so I will repeat...

So VeganBoy (offspring) and I go to see "The Day the Earth Stood Still" today. At the end, before the aliens leave, all of the electric/motorized/manufacturing stuff is disabled.

Credits are rolling, VeganBoy looks at me and says,


Great. LOL Aliens.

I've heard its basically a global warming lovefest craptacular.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:58pm

re: #403 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Zipper was down on the tuxedo?

410 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:43:59pm

Several things really bother me about a lot of the lizards comparing "nirthers" to 9-11 troofers: The complete misapplication of the law, the complete mis-characterization of many of the facts (hey, gang, since when did you trust the MSM for accurate factual reporting?!), and the complete dismissal of some fairly well reasoned legal arguments.

The question is NOT whether Obama is a citizen, but rather whether he is a "NATURAL BORN" citizen. The rules are different. There is NO QUESTION that Obama is a citizen. The nirthers are questioning whether he's a NATURAL BORN citizen.

You'd think that this would be an easy question to answer, but it really isn't. In fact, it's messy, and for some reason, Obama's camp is keeping it that way. They could clean this up for $10 or $15 by ordering a certified copy of his long form birth certificate and posting it on the web. But they've done that, you say? Nope, they haven't (see below). Instead, they've chosen to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees to save that $10 or $15.

So, to plow on:

First, "natural born" MAY be measured by the laws in place at the time he was born, and under those laws, Obama is a natural born citizen ONLY if he (a) was born in Hawaii (likely) or (b) he was born to a US citizen who had been a resident of the US for 10 years, five of which were after that parent was 14.

The first is likely, but set that aside for the moment. Since Obama's mom was 18 when he was born, he couldn't qualify under the second test. However, there have been amendments and changes to the relevant laws, and it is an open question whether or not those amendments and changes had retroactive effect.

See, it gets messy.

Now, back to the first point (born in the US): Anyone who claims that Hawaii has vouched for Obama's released birth certificate is just flat-out wrong. They've drunk the MSM Kool-aide, which is just a parroting of what Obama's camp has said (i.e., flat out lies). The document Obama's camp released was NOT a birth certificate, it was a "Certificate of Live Birth." The COLB is a contemporaneously generated summary of the long form birth certificate. The released COLB doesn't even have all the fields filled in, and the race is listed as "African" (not a term used at the time of his birth). Odd, eh? Some nirthers have really latched onto this point. However, currently issued summaries probably use the more PC term "African" in place of the old term "negro."

Some lizards have said that Hawaii has vouched for the COLB (calling it a birth certificate). This is also flat-out wrong. All they have done is vouch for the existence of Obama's records because that is all they are allowed to do under the law (it's a privacy thing). Good enough, eh? Well, it is until you look at Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178, which allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.

Like I said, messy.

So am I a nirther? Nope. If a Hawaii official who had access to the real birth certificate saw "born in Kenya," he or she would probably find some way to get that information out there. This is why I am skeptical of the whole "natural born" issue. The likely scenario is that there is something else on there that is politically inconvenient, something embarrassing enough to justify the Obama camp weathering this mess and paying a ton of money to keep the actual birth certificate buried, but not something that would disqualify Obama.

That said, it really is disappointing the way a lot of you lizards are treating the issues, ignoring or misstating the actual facts and laws, buying into some of the outright lies from Obama's campaign parroted by the MSM, and generally treating some very smart people with some very real legal knowledge as if they were 9-11 troofers.

411 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #376 littleO

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

Just for the record, this is not the LDS church president. It's a nutcase with 12 followers. There are actually more than one of these types. Nutcases inside Utah decide they are prophets. Nutcases outside of Utah get obsessed with nirth certifikits and become troofers.

412 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:02pm

re: #402 WriterMom

Probably some polite way of saying 'pussies'.

Yep. See No. 392.

413 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:07pm

re: #399 WriterMom

Does she have any other credentials except her stupid effing name?

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish...total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

414 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:09pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

Really? Gives me another reason to watch the movie again...always liked Jack Nicholson.

415 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:21pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

I didn';t know you have a cat!

That, too.

416 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:25pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

What?

he cant talk with his mouth full

417 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:38pm

re: #385 Dianna

With his flipper?
That sound like more work than it's worth!LOL

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:40pm

re: #408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, they never mention "GW"; just a "you're killing the earth".

419 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:44pm

re: #407 Ben Hur

Oh hell! Any more racial riots or anti-religion attacks?

420 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:46pm

re: #385 Dianna

Thanks for sharing that with us.

[CLUNK]

421 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:44:49pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, I have one.

Um. Yeah.

422 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:02pm

Via Hot Air...

Video: Blago, SEIU, and Card Check

The opponents of Card Check have seized on the discussions noted in the complaint against Rod Blagojevich between the disgraced governor of Illinois and an apparently high-ranking official of the SEIU. The discussions surrounded what the union could do for Blagojevich if he appointed someone that would do the union’s bidding — and that means a stalwart on the EFCA and the end of secret ballots. Workforce Fairness Institute has a web ad making the point that corruption surrounds the Card Check proposal, for good reason:

SEIU's Charity...

The charity, launched by a scandal-ridden Los Angeles chapter of the Service Employees International Union, had total expenses of about $165,000 for 2005 and 2006, and all of the money went to consulting fees, insurance costs and other overhead, according to its Internal Revenue Service filings.
423 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:08pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

I dunno...the song was a Fraterity of Man thing...I think it may pecede the movie by a year or two

424 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:09pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Zipper was down on the tuxedo?

LOL

425 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:09pm

re: #404 MandyManners

Oooh-good one.

426 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:34pm

re: #403 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And just HOW would a nice lady like YOU know what he was doing?

It was rather hard to miss. Trust me.

I was laughing helplessly.

One of the other penguins turned to him as he evidently reached a peak and opened its beak and shook his head. It looked very much like the standing penguin was saying, "Stop it! You're making us look bad!"

427 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:36pm

re: #376 littleO

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.

The Prophet of Parowan!

I'd say this guy has a little credibility. Doesn't he? At least he's a capitalist.

428 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:45pm

Penguins have penises? I thought they were birds.

My head hurts.

429 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:47pm

re: #413 loppyd

So, if she gets the seat, Teddy dies? Hmmm...

430 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:51pm

re: #421 loppyd

Um. Yeah.

I guess this now has gone beyond the typical boob thread.

431 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:45:53pm

re: #400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. So Wikipedia is a better source than my failing memory? Meh.

I've been repeating the saliva/death joke since I first heard it, and my memory has been totally reinforced with red meat!

432 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:46:10pm

re: #401 MandyManners

Can I see? Dogs always run up and sniff my legs and go crazy, but I'm not sure how cats would react.
/Yes, I know what she means by "pussy."

433 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:46:49pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

Hey, you seem pretty fucking knowledgeable and kooky enough, Why don't you go file a case instead of blathering here? Put up or shut up.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:09pm

re: #415 MandyManners

That, too.

Zsa Zsa Gabor is holding a cat on her lap on "The Tonight Show". Says to Johnny Carson...

Zsa Zsa... "Would you like to pet my pussy?"
Johnny... "Sure, if you'll move that damn cat out of the way."

435 Kragar  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:17pm

re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, they never mention "GW"; just a "you're killing the earth".

Ah, subtlety.

One review I saw said Keanu runs the acting gamut from emotionless to showing a lack of emotions. Fence post has a wider range than he does.

436 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:22pm

Fraternity of Man...1968...
Easy Rider 1969

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

437 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:26pm

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HEY! How about a little spoiler warning?

438 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:38pm

re: #362 jcm

It's official...

Caroline Kennedy to seek Senate seat


I wonder how many cases of Canadian Whiskey it costs...

Hmmm, I am sure that all of the people that said that Sarah Palin did not have enough experience will oppose Caroline. Not really.

439 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:47:58pm

re: #417 reloadingisnotahobby

With his flipper?
That sound like more work than it's worth!LOL

No, he was lying on his tummy and...well.

There was a convenient rounded rock involved as well.

I'd already observed him approaching a lady friend, who wasn't in the mood.

440 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:01pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

I didn';t know you have a cat!

Do you remember Johnny Carson's famous line after he was asked by a guest who had her pet cat with her (Raquel Welch?) if he wanted to kiss her pussy for good luck? He said something like "Sure, if you move that cat out of the way."

441 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:02pm

For the first time ever, Google and You Tube have failed me. On the whole internet I could only find one reference to "Chasidisco Fever." A classic that I think Ben Hur would enjoy. Anyone else have this on Vinyl in the 70's?

442 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:03pm

re: #435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, subtlety.

One review I saw said Keanu runs the acting gamut from emotionless to showing a lack of emotions. Fence post has a wider range than he does.

He should have played Gort. In the original.

443 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:06pm

re: #389 sattv4u2

no ,, but interestingly Dudleyville is right next to Moores Corner and i'll bet he;'s never been to either!

There is a George in Washington State.

444 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:11pm

Just read on the BBC website that shoe throwing is the worst insult in the Arab world.

Suicide bombing massacres targetting women and children?

Not so much.

445 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:16pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

sorry ,,, I had to ding you down noit because I disagree or want to debate with you, but just becuase we were having so much fun talking about masturbating penguins, strange Massachusetts town names, and Mandys p*ssy!

446 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:17pm

re: #420 WriterMom

Thanks for sharing that with us.

[CLUNK]

Sorry.

447 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:40pm

re: #413 loppyd

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish...total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

The Kennedy's feel ripped off by History. Ole' Joe wanted 32 years of Kennedy Presidents, Joe, John, Robert, and Teddy.

448 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:42pm

*shaking head*

449 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:48pm

re: #438 opnion

Hmmm, I am sure that all of the people that said that Sarah Palin did not have enough experience will oppose Caroline. Not really.

Excellent point!

450 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:52pm

re: #404 MandyManners

I bet she's partied with a lot of her rich constituents.

Here's to all the Kennedy family money being invested with that guy running the Ponzi scheme.

451 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:48:52pm
452 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:00pm

re: #377 Dianna


Oh, the joys of bluetooth!

You should brush more regularly.

453 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:17pm

re: #427 father_of_10

Holy crap!

454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:32pm

re: #437 CyanSnowHawk

HEY! How about a little spoiler warning?

Howabout this...First hour of the movie is actually very good.
20 of the last 40 minutes the effects are wonderful. 20 of the last 40 minutes make the entire movie a disaster.

455 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:43pm

re: #447 jcm

The Kennedy's feel ripped off by History. Ole' Joe wanted 32 years of Kennedy Presidents, Joe, John, Robert, and Teddy.

Gee, I'm so sorry they've been disappointed.

456 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:49pm

re: #439 Dianna

hahahaha

457 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:49:57pm

re: #432 davinvalkri

Dogs always run up and sniff my legs and go crazy, but I'm not sure how cats would react.

/they rub up against you

458 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:08pm

re: #414 jorline

Another one used in the movie;
redneck
it is only now wandering back to its original meaning of farmer , rather that a person spoiling for a fight.
I liked the movie, it showed the first non-nerdy eyeglasses. Prescription aviators. Genius.

459 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:11pm

re: #450 Son of the Black Dog

Here's to all the Kennedy family money being invested with that guy running the Ponzi scheme.

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

460 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:15pm

Thanos

Let me repeat this for emphasis. To quote myself:

> Let me start by being very clear. I have no doubt that Obama is eligible to be president.

You might also want to pay attention to this part of my original post, too:

> So let's give Obama a walk.

So with that in mind, why don’t you go reread what I actually wrote and either 1) respond to what I actually wrote, or 2) take back your comment.

Here’s a hint for future discourse. There is rarely only two sides to an issue. A person can rationally say I don’t agree with Charles or the people he is mocking/disagreeing with today, but instead I have a different view from both of them. That’s what I am saying here. Even if we don’t check obama’s birth certificate, shouldn’t we start checking them in the future?

What is so unreasonable about that?

461 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:16pm

re: #444 Ben Hur

I posted that...it's even worse than calling someone a Jew! Can you imagine the horror!

462 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:23pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

You should brush more regularly.

One blueberry - that's a serious diet.

463 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:30pm

re: #376 littleO

and there is a "prophet" in Utah saying BO will never serve as President.


Well we will see what kind of prophet he is next month.

464 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:40pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

You should brush more regularly.

Maybe she was talking about this guy?

465 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:43pm

re: #436 albusteve

Fraternity of Man...1968...
Easy Rider 1969

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

This sounds like a viable origin
"Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. The term can be used for hoarding items other than pot

466 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:50:57pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

That's a British thing...Yellowtooth...

467 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:00pm

re: #457 Killian Bundy

Is that good?

468 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:13pm

re: #125 Outrider

Nirther version: The birth announcements in those papers were generated based on public records, including registrations of birth. (This is true.) Under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 at that time, his mother could have registered his Kenyan birth with Hawaii (that statute allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence). The birth announcement was then generated from the government records of this registration. You'll note that the registration does not mention place of birth.

Reality: Oh, he was probably born in Hawaii. (See my long post above.)

There is nothing wrong with the nirther version. Seriously. That said, I think there is just something embarrassing on the real birth certificate because SOME Hawaii official with access would have done SOMETHING about this if he wasn't eligible.

469 Kragar  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:15pm

re: #437 CyanSnowHawk

HEY! How about a little spoiler warning?

Its a remake. If they dont keep true to the original story expect them to fuck it up with the message du jour.

470 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:19pm

re: #408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've heard its basically a global warming lovefest craptacular.

I knew it would be.

The other night, I was watching the original one on AMC (I think), and begging the Army to just f***ng shoot Klaatu at the end, right after he makes his self-righteous speech. I'm sure Keanu Klaatu will be even more insufferable.

471 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:19pm

re: #399 WriterMom

None of them ever do.

472 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:23pm

re: #447 jcm

The Kennedy's feel ripped off by History. Ole' Joe wanted 32 years of Kennedy Presidents, Joe, John, Robert, and Teddy.

I wish they would just STFU and go away.

473 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:34pm

merchandise mart I believe re: #459 MandyManners

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

474 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:37pm

re: #467 davinvalkri

Is that good?

/it means they either like you or want something

475 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:38pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane


Nothing will happen regardless.

Hillary is not constitutionally qualified to serve as SoS because of the raise she received as a Senator.

Anyone going to do anything about it?

Of course not.

476 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:51:47pm

re: #465 kcladderman

This sounds like a viable origin
"Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. The term can be used for hoarding items other than pot

HoHo's, Cheetos and Twinkies.

477 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:52:23pm

re: #413 loppyd

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish...total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

This gives them 2 Senate seats... Joe for Oil wants, and will get Ted's seat.

478 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:52:36pm

re: #426 Dianna

It was rather hard to miss. Trust me.

I was laughing helplessly.

One of the other penguins turned to him as he evidently reached a peak and opened its beak and shook his head. It looked very much like the standing penguin was saying, "Stop it! You're making us look bad!"

Heh! When I was there, the thing that impressed me the most was the kelp tank. Do I have a problem?

479 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:52:39pm

re: #460 A.W.

The correct answer is going to likely be: if you don't like it-lump it, ie: get your own blog.

480 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:52:41pm

Maisey the Parrot loves fortune cookies. I just gave her one, all crushed up into little parrot-sized bits...

She makes all sorts of coo-cooing sounds while she's eating...

Wait a minute... BBIAB... I think she is choking on the fortune!

481 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:02pm

re: #474 Killian Bundy

Any way to tell? Rub frequency, rub amplitude, extra noises?

482 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:13pm

re: #435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, subtlety.

One review I saw said Keanu runs the acting gamut from emotionless to showing a lack of emotions. Fence post has a wider range than he does.

He's perfect to play Al Gore when they do his bio-pic in twenty years.

483 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:18pm

re: #476 MandyManners

HoHo's, Cheetos and Twinkies.

Which you bogart after bogarting the joint.

484 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:27pm

re: #477 CapeCoddah

This gives them 2 Senate seats... Joe for Oil wants, and will get Ted's seat.

Ah, but we still have a special election in MA. Remember the dems changed it when they were convinced that Kerry was going to win the presidency and they didn't want Romney appointing his replacement?

485 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:29pm

re: #472 loppyd

I wish they would just STFU and go away.

I take from the tenor of you comment you do not believe in the Divine Right of the Kennedy's?

/;-P

486 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:37pm

re: #478 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh! When I was there, the thing that impressed me the most was the kelp tank. Do I have a problem?

No, because I loved the kelp forest, too.

487 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:43pm

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HA I remember that.

488 bosforus  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:50pm

Here comes nirther mail
Here comes nirther mail
Right down nirther mail lane

Delivering hate to Charles Johnson
Full of nothing but complaints

Nirthers know Obama's Kenyan and that makes everything right
So hide your certificates and cover your eyes cause nirther mail's coming tonight!

489 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:53:59pm

re: #465 kcladderman

This sounds like a viable origin
"Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. The term can be used for hoarding items other than pot

I'm a huge Little Feat fan...it's part of their history...I just wanted a link...Lowell George wrote the lyrics...fyi

490 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:04pm

re: #438 opnion

Hmmm, I am sure that all of the people that said that Sarah Palin did not have enough experience will oppose Caroline. Not really.


I think she should stay home and care for her children.

Or at least keep raising money for schools to atone for what they did to her sister.

491 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:05pm

re: #473 apachegunner

merchandise mart I believe

Two.

492 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:07pm
493 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:23pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

Uh, yeah, the mercantile, I believe. They also make money still on every bottle of whiskey imported into this country, thanks to daddy, the nazi lover bootlegger.

494 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:54:52pm

re: #475 Ben Hur

Nothing will happen regardless.

Hillary is not constitutionally qualified to serve as SoS because of the raise she received as a Senator.

Anyone going to do anything about it?

Of course not.

Didn't they just do something in congress to address that issue ...I will look ...

495 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:21pm

re: #483 kcladderman

Which you bogart after bogarting the joint.

Which is almost as bad.

496 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:22pm

they did re: #494 JacksonTn

497 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:25pm
498 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:42pm

re: #484 loppyd

Ah, but we still have a special election in MA. Remember the dems changed it when they were convinced that Kerry was going to win the presidency and they didn't want Romney appointing his replacement?

Yes, but a martian could be elected to that seat if he called himself Kennedy.

499 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:43pm

re: #426 Dianna

It was rather hard to miss. Trust me.

I was laughing helplessly.

One of the other penguins turned to him as he evidently reached a peak and opened its beak and shook his head. It looked very much like the standing penguin was saying, "Stop it! You're making us look bad!"

I see a sequel in the making--

Happy Feet II: Happy Feet's Complaint

500 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:44pm

re: #486 Dianna

No, because I loved the kelp forest, too.

Did you see (or already know) how they get that wave action?

501 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:55:46pm

re: #478 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh! When I was there, the thing that impressed me the most was the kelp tank. Do I have a problem?

You're a kelp-tomaniac.

502 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:01pm

re: #468 MoonbatBane

Nirther version: The birth announcements in those papers were generated based on public records, including registrations of birth. (This is true.) Under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 at that time, his mother could have registered his Kenyan birth with Hawaii (that statute allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence). The birth announcement was then generated from the government records of this registration. You'll note that the registration does not mention place of birth.

Reality: Oh, he was probably born in Hawaii. (See my long post above.)

There is nothing wrong with the nirther version. Seriously. That said, I think there is just something embarrassing on the real birth certificate because SOME Hawaii official with access would have done SOMETHING about this if he wasn't eligible.

The only thing that could be embarrassing on the original is his PARENTS religion, which would be Muslim. It would merely stir up more controversy and would not still the conspiracy folks.

The issue is dead as far as the nation is concerned. Some people can "lawyer" it to death and it will change nothing but cloudy the waters on more legitimate issues. Such as his policies, his tax proposals, his connections to the Governor and Rezko, his weak as water concepts of dealing with enemies, etc...

503 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:04pm

re: #475 Ben Hur

Nothing will happen regardless.

Hillary is not constitutionally qualified to serve as SoS because of the raise she received as a Senator.

Anyone going to do anything about it?

Of course not.

Here ya go ...

[Link: news.xinhuanet.com...]

See there's nothing they can't fix ...vomit

504 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:12pm

re: #481 davinvalkri

Any way to tell? Rub frequency, rub amplitude, extra noises?

The more rubbing, the more they're trying to get their point across.

/they're also marking you with the scent glands in their face

505 jwb7605  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:16pm

re: #497 taxfreekiller

#475

I think I saw were Harry Reid and Nanci Pelosi got together and got a bill passed to provide Hildie only recive the prior amount.

do not remember where, but I think that is so

I heard that reported by Brit Hume on Fox last week (Thursday or Friday).

506 apachegunner  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:26pm

are the car doors still frozen?

507 Mambo Bananapatch  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:32pm

Are we even certain it was a male penguin? Could it have been a lady penguin with some sort of strap-on device?

Penguin in Bondage

508 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:41pm

re: #500 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did you see (or already know) how they get that wave action?

Yes - and I also heard the docent speaking to a group of school kids.

The whole place is great.

509 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:42pm

re: #413 loppyd

Nope.

It's going to be Teddy's last dying wish...total bullshit. They think they deserve a Senate seat to belong to a Kennedy.

Think about this: except for the period 1961-62, a Kennedy has been serving in Congress since 1947. The gap is only due to the fact that Teddy was not yet 30 when JFK became president, and a placeholder was appointed until Teddy could be elected (legitimately, I'm sure) in a special election.

510 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:56:43pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

They used to own the Merchandise Mart. Don't know if they still do.

511 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:01pm

re: #480 Walter L. Newton

Maisey the Parrot loves fortune cookies. I just gave her one, all crushed up into little parrot-sized bits...

She makes all sorts of coo-cooing sounds while she's eating...

Wait a minute... BBIAB... I think she is choking on the fortune!

False alarm. She was reading the safety warning on the back of the fortune and didn't eat it. Whew...

512 opnion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:02pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Don't they also own a really big building in Chicago?

The Merchandise Mart

513 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:10pm

re: #490 Ben Hur

I think she should stay home and care for her children.

Or at least keep raising money for schools to atone for what they did to her sister.

Aren't her kids grown? And, even if not, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? SHOULD NO WOMAN WITH MINOR CHILDREN BE ALLOWED OUT OF THE HOUSE?

As for the second issue, it's not on her. She did nothing wrong.

514 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:19pm
515 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:22pm

re: #510 Son of the Black Dog

They used to own the Merchandise Mart. Don't know if they still do.

Thats it, not the mercantile, sorry, and yes, they still own it.

516 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:29pm

re: #492 buzzsawmonkey

When you've absolutely Gort to get dressed up, be sure to wear a Klaatu Barada Necktie™.

I don't have time to buy one, so I'll ask my friend Nick to.

517 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:35pm

re: #125 Outrider

Ooops, forgot to adddress this part: "Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?"

Nirther: It was fairly common practice to register your kids in Hawaii if you lived or moved there, even if the kids weren't born there. Why else have that statute?

Reality: I don't think his mother was nearly responsible enough of a person to have done that if he wasn't born in Hawaii...

My point isn't that Obama isn't eligible, it's the way "nirthers" are being equated with "troofers." Some nirthers are nuts, but some have some pretty solid -- if unlikely to pan out -- legal arguments. Troofers are just azzes.

518 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:40pm

re: #485 jcm

I take from the tenor of you comment you do not believe in the Divine Right of the Kennedy's?

/;-P

I have been "represented" by a Kennedy since the day I was born - in fact for eight years before I was born. I think it's time for a CHANGE.

519 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:57:57pm

re: #493 CapeCoddah

Uh, yeah, the mercantile, I believe. They also make money still on every bottle of whiskey imported into this country, thanks to daddy, the nazi lover bootlegger.

I've a rum-runner/financier as an ancestor.

520 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:11pm

re: #518 loppyd

I have been "represented" by a Kennedy since the day I was born - in fact for eight years before I was born. I think it's time for a CHANGE.

Hear Hear!

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:19pm

re: #435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not fair to Keanu. Exactly what the character is supposed to do. Too bad that is the only character (Other than Bill) he's ever played.

522 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:27pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

Your brain on a sabbatical?

523 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:33pm

re: #518 loppyd

I have been "represented" by a Kennedy since the day I was born - in fact for eight years before I was born. I think it's time for a CHANGE.

Why you ungrateful little...
/

524 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:36pm

re: #519 MandyManners

I've a rum-runner/financier as an ancestor.

Yeah, but not a nazi sympathizer, I would bet.

525 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:37pm

Frottage of the Penguins ?

526 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:41pm

re: #501 jcm

You're a kelp-tomaniac.

I have stealed myself against your criticisms.

527 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:58:44pm

re: #438 opnion

Hmmm, I am sure that all of the people that said that Sarah Palin did not have enough experience will oppose Caroline. Not really.

i would feel more confident of getting a qualified person if we ripped a page from the phone book and pointed to a name.
how could it be worse?

528 JacksonTn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:14pm

Ha ...I just realized I quoted from a Chinese news sourse on the Hillary pay issue ...well ...they are probably just as good as our crappy msm ...anyway here is one from U.S. ...

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

529 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:25pm

re: #507 Mambo Bananapatch

Are we even certain it was a male penguin? Could it have been a lady penguin with some sort of strap-on device?

Penguin in Bondage

Penguins don't have thumbs so, how

Oh, ferpity'ssake nevermind.

530 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:27pm

re: #513 MandyManners

SHOULD NO WOMAN WITH MINOR CHILDREN BE ALLOWED OUT OF THE HOUSE?

/that's what chloroform is for, just ask Casey Anthony

531 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:32pm

re: #460 A.W.

If you got a case, go press it dude, you seem to think something's still wrong or you would not be bringing it up. If you have principles and are willing to state it here, then get behind those principles and go file the case, write your congress critter or party officials or do something.

Otherwise you are blustering and implying scandal where you have no proof, and what's the motive behind that when there's more important things like Blago going on right now?

532 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 12:59:59pm

re: #503 JacksonTn

Here ya go ...

[Link: news.xinhuanet.com...]

See there's nothing they can't fix ...vomit

Thanks!

Ironic that that is from a Chinese news agency.

533 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:02pm

re: #510 Son of the Black Dog

They used to own the Merchandise Mart. Don't know if they still do.

I've heard that they do.

534 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:08pm

re: #514 Ben Hur

Which lizard is this?

MANDY!

*duck*

535 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:13pm

re: #527 nyc redneck

LOL.

536 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:16pm

re: #494 JacksonTn

Didn't they just do something in congress to address that issue ...I will look ...


Yes they did..They did a salary adjustment for SOS..

537 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:27pm

re: #519 MandyManners

I've a rum-runner/financier as an ancestor.

Yar!

538 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:32pm

re: #526 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I have stealed myself against your criticisms.

Urchin you being touchy today?

539 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:42pm

re: #517 MoonbatBane

Some nirthers are nuts, but some have some pretty solid -- if unlikely to pan out -- legal arguments.

Still sticking to the I'm not a nirther statement.

540 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:00:52pm

re: #494 JacksonTn

Didn't they just do something in congress to address that issue ...I will look ...

Yes they lowered the salary that the She would get as sec. of state to side step the law. the democratic way

541 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:04pm

I'm thinking an open thread would be good about now.

542 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:07pm

Should we be asking whether the so-called "Emperor Penguin" is really Emperor of his domain?

543 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:14pm

re: #524 CapeCoddah

Yeah, but not a nazi sympathizer, I would bet.

No, he predated that by a couple of centuries. Well, by 300 years. Or so.

544 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:30pm

re: #513 MandyManners

Aren't her kids grown? And, even if not, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? SHOULD NO WOMAN WITH MINOR CHILDREN BE ALLOWED OUT OF THE HOUSE?

As for the second issue, it's not on her. She did nothing wrong.

Now now, missy.

Not only the goodlooking ones from the sticks should stay home.

545 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:36pm

re: #517 MoonbatBane

You are just another version of troofers. State of hawaii certed him when they put his name on the ballot.

Really, if you think there is something still wrong, then please go file.

546 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:47pm

re: #530 Killian Bundy

/that's what chloroform is for, just ask Casey Anthony

I hope that asshole never sees the light of day again.

547 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:01:48pm

re: #542 Occasional Reader

Master of His Own Universe?

548 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:03pm

re: #534 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MANDY!

*duck*


Thought about putting like that originally.

549 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:06pm

re: #527 nyc redneck

i would feel more confident of getting a qualified person if we ripped a page from the phone book and pointed to a name.
how could it be worse?

Keep on re-electing the incumbents.

550 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:21pm

re: #523 jcm

Why you ungrateful little...
/

Unlike so many in this state, I did not grow up in a home with the picture of JFK next to Jesus on the wall. In fact, my father's parents despised the Kennedys who were their neighbors in Hyannisport.

551 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:26pm

re: #433 Thanos

Because (1) I don't think there is any way in heck that this is going to go anywhere, (2) Obama almost certainly was born in Hawaii, (3) I don't have standing under the law, and (4) others are doing an OK job, esp. Keyes (the only one who probably does have standing out of the whole mess of people who are filing).

PS Thanks for the ad hominem "kooky." Please point to ONE THING I said that was "kooky." Or is explaining the law "kooky" to you just because it runs counter to your pre-conceived notions as influenced by the "facts" you've been told by the MSM? That seems pretty effing kooky to me, sport.

552 Hard Right  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:27pm

The cover up goes all the way to the top!

Colonel Flagg mode off/

553 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:41pm

re: #517 MoonbatBane

Ooops, forgot to adddress this part: "Or did his parents anticipate a future run for the presidency?"

Nirther: It was fairly common practice to register your kids in Hawaii if you lived or moved there, even if the kids weren't born there. Why else have that statute?

Reality: I don't think his mother was nearly responsible enough of a person to have done that if he wasn't born in Hawaii...

My point isn't that Obama isn't eligible, it's the way "nirthers" are being equated with "troofers." Some nirthers are nuts, but some have some pretty solid -- if unlikely to pan out -- legal arguments. Troofers are just azzes.

You know, I'm in real trouble too. I never had a birth certificate either. Many states don't issue them, using the certificate of live birth instead. A birth certificate can be requested years later if desired, as I had to do at age 24 when I wanted to get married overseas. By this time I had already been in the Army for a few years with a Top Secret/SI clearance.

Wonder what document the government used to issue the birth certificate? Couldn't possibly have been the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH could it?

554 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:42pm

re: #543 MandyManners

No, he predated that by a couple of centuries. Well, by 300 years. Or so.

Well, thats OK then. As long as he was not a nazi lover, had to get the rum out there somehow, now, didn't we?

555 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:52pm

re: #447 jcm

In the vein of nirth cerifikit stuff, one of my Social Studies teachers in grade school was a huge Kennedy fan. He told some story (possibly apocryphal) about Joe Jr. being born on a ship on the way back from Europe and his father having the birth cert. held up until the ship landed. Or something like that.

556 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:02:53pm

re: #550 loppyd

Unlike so many in this state, I did not grow up in a home with the picture of JFK next to Jesus on the wall. In fact, my father's parents despised the Kennedys who were their neighbors in Hyannisport.

Sniff Sniff, Do I smell money?

557 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:01pm

re: #538 jcm

Urchin you being touchy today?

Awwbaloney!

558 Eowyn2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:17pm

re: #392 loppyd

p*ssy

a Sally is a Nancy?

559 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:19pm

re: #507 Mambo Bananapatch

Are we even certain it was a male penguin? Could it have been a lady penguin with some sort of strap-on device?

Penguin in Bondage

Would that be a Domi-Linux?

560 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:36pm
561 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:43pm

re: #544 Ben Hur

Now now, missy.

Not only the goodlooking ones from the sticks should stay home.

*sigh* I let you push my buttons, didn't I?

562 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:57pm

re: #553 Outrider

Facts don't matter to a troofer or nirther.

563 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:03:58pm

re: #556 Nevergiveup

Sniff Sniff, Do I smell money?

I am only half WASP. :~)

564 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:03pm

re: #548 Ben Hur

Thought about putting like that originally.

*grin* ... I wondered
I'll throw myself upon the spear.

565 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:09pm

re: #551 MoonbatBane

Have the strength of you convictions -- go file your case.

566 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:15pm

re: #550 loppyd

Unlike so many in this state, I did not grow up in a home with the picture of JFK next to Jesus on the wall. In fact, my father's parents despised the Kennedys who were their neighbors in Hyannisport.

Loppy, how did you know I grew up with that? My batshit crazy grandmother still has both hanging next to each other, only it is JFK with the halo...

567 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:19pm

re: #561 MandyManners

YOU WHAT?

568 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:27pm

re: #558 Eowyn2

a Sally is a Nancy?

Is a Nancy a Sally?

569 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:46pm

re: #493 CapeCoddah

Uh, yeah, the mercantile, I believe. They also make money still on every bottle of whiskey imported into this country, thanks to daddy, the nazi lover bootlegger.

The story I read (somewhere, long ago) is that Joe Sr. want a concession on all import of alcohol from Britain to the US as a condition of support for Lend-Lease. He didn't know about the backchannel communications between Churchill and FDR. When FDR found out about the attempted shakedown, he recalled Joe.

570 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:46pm

re: #555 Lincolntf

In the vein of nirth cerifikit stuff, one of my Social Studies teachers in grade school was a huge Kennedy fan. He told some story (possibly apocryphal) about Joe Jr. being born on a ship on the way back from Europe and his father having the birth cert. held up until the ship landed. Or something like that.

That one I would believe, Joe bought enough silence and grades to keep his boys squeaky clean.

571 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:04:49pm

OT but interesting!

This undated handout picture released on December 15 by WWF Greater Mekong Programme shows a Gumprechts green pitviper found in Thailand. Scientists have discovered more than 1,000 species in Southeast Asia's Greater Mekong region in the past decade, including a spider as big as a dinner plate, the World Wildlife Fund said Monday.
(AFP/WWF)

572 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:04pm

bbiaw

573 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:07pm

re: #568 loppyd

Is a Nancy a Sally?

Then who/what is a Bertha?

574 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:13pm

re: #540 Nevergiveup

Yes they lowered the salary that the She would get as sec. of state to side step the law. the democratic way

I don't see it as a "side-step" so much as an adherence. It appears, when reading the clause that it was designed to deter creation of new crony positions and also to prevent politicians from entering a lower paying position while demanding their pay from a higher position previously held.

Just my opinion,...I could be wrong.

575 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:44pm

re: #562 FurryOldGuyJeans

Facts don't matter to a troofer or nirther.

true, true. Not even sure why I nibbled the bait.

576 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:45pm

re: #561 MandyManners

*sigh* I let you push my buttons, didn't I?

They always do.

577 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:45pm

re: #571 gop_patriot

OT but interesting!

This undated handout picture released on December 15 by WWF Greater Mekong Programme shows a Gumprechts green pitviper found in Thailand. Scientists have discovered more than 1,000 species in Southeast Asia's Greater Mekong region in the past decade, including a spider as big as a dinner plate, the World Wildlife Fund said Monday.
(AFP/WWF)

One pissed looking snake...

578 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:05:53pm

re: #522 FurryOldGuyJeans

Your brain on a sabbatical?

No, is yours? Or did I somehow wander over into DU where unsupported ad hominem attacks replace pointing out a single point of law or fact that I misstated?

579 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:05pm
580 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:06pm

re: #573 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then who/what is a Bertha?

I'm not sure, but I know what a Betty is.

581 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:16pm

re: #574 hermit

I don't see it as a "side-step" so much as an adherence. It appears, when reading the clause that it was designed to deter creation of new crony positions and also to prevent politicians from entering a lower paying position while demanding their pay from a higher position previously held.

Just my opinion,...I could be wrong.

Lawyers get rich arguing such trivia.

582 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:16pm

re: #576 Ben Hur

Bwhahahahaha!

583 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:06:58pm

re: #537 Occasional Reader

Yar!

I walked away from a Christmas Party with a 1.75 liter Parrot Bay that I got in the white elephant gift exchange.

584 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:07:17pm

re: #550 loppyd

Unlike so many in this state, I did not grow up in a home with the picture of JFK next to Jesus on the wall. In fact, my father's parents despised the Kennedys who were their neighbors in Hyannisport.

The folks who actually know the Kennedys, who like loppys family lived nearby, do not have nice stories about duckies and bunnies to tell. The Kennedys are by and large a nasty lot, who assume that you should know they are better than you, and expect to be treated accordingly. However, Joan Kennedy, Ted's ex, is a very nice woman.

585 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:07:27pm

re: #571 gop_patriot

OT but interesting!

This undated handout picture released on December 15 by WWF Greater Mekong Programme shows a Gumprechts green pitviper found in Thailand. Scientists have discovered more than 1,000 species in Southeast Asia's Greater Mekong region in the past decade, including a spider as big as a dinner plate, the World Wildlife Fund said Monday.
(AFP/WWF)

You mean, THEY DON"T KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY?!?!?

586 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:07:35pm

re: #578 MoonbatBane

No, is yours? Or did I somehow wander over into DU where unsupported ad hominem attacks replace pointing out a single point of law or fact that I misstated?

State some facts or actual points of law and there would be a discussion. You have done neither.

588 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:26pm

Moonbat, I bet they love this over at Pam's huh? So why are you posting it here? Take it back over there where they like histrionics.

If you think you are right, then go file your case. Maybe if it's not a 9/11 troofer filing you could get standing.

589 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:26pm

re: #581 FurryOldGuyJeans

Lawyers get rich arguing such trivia.

...and I believe some just did -- LOL

590 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:32pm

re: #584 CapeCoddah

The folks who actually know the Kennedys, who like loppys family lived nearby, do not have nice stories about duckies and bunnies to tell. The Kennedys are by and large a nasty lot, who assume that you should know they are better than you, and expect to be treated accordingly. However, Joan Kennedy, Ted's ex, is a very nice woman.

They drove her to drink?

591 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:35pm

re: #586 FurryOldGuyJeans

State some facts or actual points of law and there would be a discussion. You have done neither.

I think it is time for the GAZE.

592 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:39pm

re: #577 jcm

One pissed looking snake...

Yes, but isn't he gorgeous? Deadly, sure. But also gorgeous.

593 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:08:58pm

re: #571 gop_patriot

OT but interesting!

This undated handout picture released on December 15 by WWF Greater Mekong Programme shows a Gumprechts green pitviper found in Thailand. Scientists have discovered more than 1,000 species in Southeast Asia's Greater Mekong region in the past decade, including a spider as big as a dinner plate, the World Wildlife Fund said Monday.
(AFP/WWF)

Snakes and spider don't scare me much, but a dinner plate sized spider, well, wouldn't mind seeing it, but not unexpectedly.

594 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:09:07pm

re: #592 gop_patriot

Yes, but isn't he gorgeous? Deadly, sure. But also gorgeous.

Very true...

595 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:09:39pm

re: #591 kcladderman

I think it is time for the GAZE.

GAZE me all you want. ;)

596 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:09:43pm

re: #502 Outrider

" ever heard of the preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

597 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:10:07pm

re: #579 buzzsawmonkey

A spider as big as a dinner plate? That must make it very difficult to serve as an appetizer.

Eewww.

/The recipe calls for removing the legs first, so they'll fit on the proper plate. :p

598 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:10:21pm

re: #569 Son of the Black Dog

The story I read (somewhere, long ago) is that Joe Sr. want a concession on all import of alcohol from Britain to the US as a condition of support for Lend-Lease. He didn't know about the backchannel communications between Churchill and FDR. When FDR found out about the attempted shakedown, he recalled Joe.

Joe was recalled from his ambassadorship when he said there was no use fighting Hilter, we should instead throw in with him. (really short version) The alcohol thing long preceeded the war, but, other negotiations could have been ongoing throughout.

599 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:10:31pm

re: #596 littleO

" ever heard of the preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

Did ther Jury in the Original OJ murder case?

600 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:10:52pm

re: #570 jcm

That one I would believe, Joe bought enough silence and grades to keep his boys squeaky clean.

and half turned out to be filthy dirty in spite of the payola...

601 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:11:01pm

re: #597 gop_patriot

But thats where all the meat is

602 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:11:25pm

That picture of Putin on Drudge's front page, well, he looks sad. Maybe he needs a hardy Merry Christmas or something?

603 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:11:54pm

re: #595 FurryOldGuyJeans

GAZE me all you want. ;)

I suspect that he was referring to the other -- the one you replied to.

604 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:11:58pm

re: #600 albusteve

and half turned out to be filthy dirty in spite of the payola...

Ole' Joe did what Capone didn't manage. Became legit.

605 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:02pm

re: #553 Outrider

Yup, a COLB could be used, one with all the available information filled in. Actually, you point out a possible reason for this whole mess. Maybe his Mom was so irresponsible that she never took the steps necessary to get a real birth certificate signed/on file (it's fairly automatic now, but may have not been back then). That means Obama doesn't have an "original long form birth certificate," and all he can produce is a COLB filled out with the few facts he has available.

Now, if he admits that he doesn't have an original long form birth certificate, the nirthers are going to go NUTS. So this is all he can do.

I know you meant you comment mockingly (apparently that's par for the course now at LGF if someone dares to counter the approved line of though with dissenting info. about the actual law -- just like over at DU or Daily Kos), but the shred of actual debate you had in there actually fills in the puzzle quite nicely.

606 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:13pm

re: #595 FurryOldGuyJeans

GAZE me all you want. ;)

dont GAZE me bro!

607 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:13pm

re: #602 Walter L. Newton

That picture of Putin on Drudge's front page, well, he looks sad. Maybe he needs a hardy Merry Christmas or something?

He si getting the best present of all---A President Obama!

608 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:29pm

re: #603 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That one?

609 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:30pm
610 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:31pm

re: #584 CapeCoddah

The folks who actually know the Kennedys, who like loppys family lived nearby, do not have nice stories about duckies and bunnies to tell. The Kennedys are by and large a nasty lot, who assume that you should know they are better than you, and expect to be treated accordingly. However, Joan Kennedy, Ted's ex, is a very nice woman.

They had to fly their friends in because they had none on the Cape.

611 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:12:31pm

re: #585 Ben Hur

You mean, THEY DON"T KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY?!?!?

LOL

re: #593 Walter L. Newton

Snakes and spider don't scare me much, but a dinner plate sized spider, well, wouldn't mind seeing it, but not unexpectedly.

I'm not a fan of spiders. Snakes don't bother me that much.

Took some photos of black widow spiders I found in our backyard this past year, and it still squicks me out every time I look at them. ::shudder::

612 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:06pm

re: #604 jcm

Ole' Joe did what Capone didn't manage. Became legit.

right...the only difference between the two...

613 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:09pm

re: #597 gop_patriot

Eewww.

/The recipe calls for removing the legs first, so they'll fit on the proper plate. :p

If there was any nourishment in frog legs, the French would have already been serving them.

614 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:30pm

Thanos,

I am implying scandal by disavowing it. Then how am I doing it? with mind control?

No, you are willfully choosing to ignore what i wrote in the first place because then you would have to admit you jumped the gun.

Whatever.

Try this. True or false. I started off my first post on this thread by saying "Let me start by being very clear. I have no doubt that Obama is eligible to be president."

And true or false, I later said in that first post: "So let's give Obama a walk."

Answer that, and then explain how i am a conspiracy nut. Go for it.

I am sure you started out making an honest mistake, but now you are just being mendacious. You're like Dan Rather; surely he didn't know those documents were fakes at first, but it should have been clear within days they were fakes and the fact that to this day he denies this is the lie, not the original introduction of them. The same way, you didn't start out lying, but you are now. And if you lie again, I won't even respond; you will just be ignored.

615 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:32pm

re: #590 Nevergiveup

They drove her to drink?

You better believe it.

616 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:35pm

re: #608 debutaunt

That one?

MoonbatBane

617 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:47pm

re: #410 MoonbatBane

The document Obama's camp released was NOT a birth certificate, it was a "Certificate of Live Birth." The COLB is a contemporaneously generated summary of the long form birth certificate.

Wrong! I have my COLB sitting in front of me, and it's the long form. I also have my COLB in short form. Both came from the government, both are acceptable as proof of citizenship. If short forms were not valid as proof of birth, why would the government issue them? You need to get a grip.

618 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:52pm

re: #613 Walter L. Newton

If there was any nourishment in frog legs, the French would have already been serving them.

Er, spider legs (jokes don't work when you have to correct them)

619 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:13:55pm

re: #596 littleO

" ever heard of the preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

Lawyers get rich obfuscating facts to convince jurors on both sides. It ain't about arriving at the truth but putting out what will convince 12 "reasonable people" of a particular theory.

/ this is not a slight against attorneys such as we have here, but the type of leech/lawyer like Silky Pony.

620 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:19pm

re: #601 Creeping Eruption

But thats where all the meat is

You mean like crab legs? Ok I just grossed myself out, aren't crabs related in some way to spiders? Or am I just making that up? I don't like spiders.

621 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:21pm

re: #590 Nevergiveup

They drove her to drink?

This probably helped:

622 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:23pm

re: #603 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I suspect that he was referring to the other -- the one you replied to.

I do too, but worth the dearth of evidence to the actual intent I just have to reply to what is stated. ;)

623 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:25pm

re: #617 Sharmuta

Wrong! I have my COLB sitting in front of me, and it's the long form. I also have my COLB in short form. Both came from the government, both are acceptable as proof of citizenship. If short forms were not valid as proof of birth, why would the government issue them? You need to get a grip.

whoops!...where'd you come from?...heh

624 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:15:40pm

re: #605 MoonbatBane

Uh- no. Most of the time the county of one's birth issues a short form because it's perfectly acceptable as proof of birth (or citizenship). One would have to ask for the long form, but it in no way invalidates the short form. You are grasping at straws.

625 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:00pm

re: #610 loppyd

They had to fly their friends in because they had none on the Cape.

True, they also cannot get local vendors for anything, they do not pay their bills.

626 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:01pm
627 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:01pm

re: #614 A.W.

... You're like Dan Rather...

And you're being like... well... just like... that guy... what's his name? Oh, maybe I mean... no... that was last year... oh, I know...

A FUCKING ASSHOLE.

Carry on.

628 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:11pm

re: #620 gop_patriot

You mean like crab legs? Ok I just grossed myself out, aren't crabs related in some way to spiders? Or am I just making that up? I don't like spiders.

I do not eat crustaceans or mullosks for that very reason. They look like roaches on roids.

629 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:30pm

re: #611 gop_patriot

I'm not a fan of spiders. Snakes don't bother me that much.

Took some photos of black widow spiders I found in our backyard this past year, and it still squicks me out every time I look at them. ::shudder::

We have had 6 guys bitten by spiders in the engine house in the last year.
We have to shake all of our gear at the start of every shift.
The first time we turn on the overhead heaters on the apparatus floor we sit and watch the spiders drop down it sometimes spooks the new guy or visitor.

630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:16:30pm

Anybody mentioned Jim Stafford yet?

631 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:06pm

re: #584 CapeCoddah

The folks who actually know the Kennedys, who like loppys family lived nearby, do not have nice stories about duckies and bunnies to tell. The Kennedys are by and large a nasty lot, who assume that you should know they are better than you, and expect to be treated accordingly. However, Joan Kennedy, Ted's ex, is a very nice woman.

One of our very own lizards -- rightymouse, I believe -- once worked as an assistant or nanny of some sort to Ethel. She didn't have fond memories.

632 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:18pm

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

Er, spider legs (jokes don't work when you have to correct them)

heh. I updinged you anyway, I knew what you meant. ;)

633 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #624 Sharmuta

Uh- no. Most of the time the county of one's birth issues a short form because it's perfectly acceptable as proof of birth (or citizenship). One would have to ask for the long form, but it in no way invalidates the short form. You are grasping at straws.

Just following the conspiracy handbook by ignoring the preponderance of actual evidence by concentrating on the manufactured.

634 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #596 littleO

" ever heard of the preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

Strangely enough, yes. I've also heard of little gnomes running around in the garden munching m Hydrangeas. So what?

635 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:29pm

re: #620 gop_patriot

You mean like crab legs? Ok I just grossed myself out, aren't crabs related in some way to spiders? Or am I just making that up? I don't like spiders.

Well, the Walter's Book of Seafood has always described crabs as sea spiders. And lobsters are simply sea cockroaches, and crayfish are simply sea silver fish and...

636 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:43pm

re: #630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody mentioned Jim Stafford yet?

/the student loan guy?

637 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:17:48pm

re: #631 doppelganglander

One of our very own lizards -- rightymouse, I believe -- once worked as an assistant or nanny of some sort to Ethel. She didn't have fond memories.

Yeah, I was in on a bit of that conversation.

638 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:00pm

re: #627 Walter L. Newton

How's tweety?

639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:11pm
640 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:24pm

re: #625 CapeCoddah

True, they also cannot get local vendors for anything, they do not pay their bills.

That doesn't surprise me in the least.

641 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:29pm

re: #630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody mentioned Jim Stafford yet?

Jim Stafford... Matt... DAMON.

642 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:30pm
643 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:43pm

re: #633 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just following the conspiracy handbook by ignoring the preponderance of actual evidence by concentrating on the manufactured.

Yep. Must. Ignore. Facts.

644 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:18:47pm

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

Er, spider legs (jokes don't work when you have to correct them)

After you spider legs, then what?

645 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:06pm

re: #619 FurryOldGuyJeans

Y'know, speaking of LGF attys, I am constantly fascinated by the diversity of occupations Lizards have.

I wonder if Charles would be willing to do a Registered Lizard Occupation poll... probably would end up getting too personal, but it would be interesting. Perhaps a VOTE post with general areas of occupation, like gov't surveys use?

Meh, for the curiosity file...Teacher here.

646 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:16pm

OMG! Would you people just shut up for one second! Mandy was talking about her p*ssy, let her continue.
///

647 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:25pm

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

The only good spider is a DEAD spider.

648 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:36pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I had to give my car a kiss this morning. After a night of -16 degrees, I went out there about 10 am, it started in 2 seconds, 2 cranks, and it's 10 years old.

So, how long did it take the fire department to get your lip off the hood...:)

649 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:39pm

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

Spiders are very, very funny.

They become expert at leg-pulling very early in life.

All this talk of spiders is making me itch..ooohhhrrraaayyy!
Stop!

650 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:43pm

re: #644 Spare O'Lake

After you spider legs, then what?

Ha!

651 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:52pm

Walter

I'm an ***hole for defending myself against deliberate lies about me?

Funny definition of that term.

Shouldn't that term be applied, if to anyone, to the person who lied about my words in the first place?

As for me, i am just defending myself against those lies.

652 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:19:59pm

*sigh*

bbialb

653 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:13pm

re: #599 Nevergiveup

Nothing will stop the Obama boat!
We are all so screwed it gives me a headache thinking of all the problems to come.

654 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:19pm

re: #647 MandyManners

The only good spider is a DEAD spider.

You are correct, I hate to eat them alive.

655 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:24pm
656 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:29pm

re: #648 Dustyvet

So, how long did it take the fire department to get your lip off the hood...:)

Scott Farkas does not approve.

657 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:43pm

re: #379 swamprat

In the movie "Easy Rider" one guy starts to flick a joint-butt away, in the style of Bogart flicking a cigarette butt. Someone said "don't Bogart that joint". The audience mis-understood and associated "Bogart" with hogging rather than flicking away.

That's as may be, but my understanding of the origin of the verb "to bogart" is that it refers to Humphrey Bogart's habit of keeping his cigarette glued to his upper lip.

See: Sahara.

And: To Have and Have Not.

Nice talent if you want to smoke with your hands free, not so polite if others are expecting you to share your smoke.

658 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:45pm

re: #647 MandyManners

That was a really unfortunate place to put that comment.

659 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:20:56pm

re: #614 A.W.

Oh bullshit AW, the whole point of your long winded post was to reprint this nirth cert troofer nugget which we've already seen fifty bugzillion times:

And in law we have the concept of the "best evidence rule." So what is the best evidence of his place of birth? an old newspaper? a newly created birth certificate?

No. An original. And if it is missing, or whatever, then and only then we go to these other sources.

The other sources are solid enough to believe him if we can't produce the original birth certificate, but still I want to either 1) see that best evidence or 2) have an explanation as to why that best evidence is not available. This is truly not about outcomes, but about process. As a matter of good process, we should always see that birth certificate.

Now again I repeat if you believe it then have the strength of your convictions and file the case. If you have anything NEW, then maybe talk about that instead of repeating the blathering TP.

660 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:04pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Walter's Book of Seafood has always described crabs as sea spiders. And lobsters are simply sea cockroaches, and crayfish are simply sea silver fish and...

I dont care for lobster with the pretense and all but just leave the crawfish out of it!...yummm

661 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:21pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Walter's Book of Seafood has always described crabs as sea spiders. And lobsters are simply sea cockroaches, and crayfish are simply sea silver fish and...

... tuna as simply chicken of the sea...

662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:39pm

I think it is funny when Charles posts something about the nirth etc. that someone comes on and says,

"Yeah, it's totally stupid. Here's where the argument has some merit.".

Reminds me of "The Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island". No one ever admitted to watching either show, but they were always in the top five for the week.

663 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:47pm

re: #629 kcladderman

We have had 6 guys bitten by spiders in the engine house in the last year.
We have to shake all of our gear at the start of every shift.
The first time we turn on the overhead heaters on the apparatus floor we sit and watch the spiders drop down it sometimes spooks the new guy or visitor.

EEEK

664 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:51pm

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

Spiders are very, very funny.

They become expert at leg-pulling very early in life.

Did you spin that on the fly?

665 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:21:54pm

re: #645 hermit

speaking of LGF attys

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

666 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:22:16pm

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.

667 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:22:27pm

Did the alarm go off?

668 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:22:43pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

OW!

669 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:23:00pm

re: #593 Walter L. Newton

Snakes and spider don't scare me much, but a dinner plate sized spider, well, wouldn't mind seeing it, but not unexpectedly.

Jim Stafford feels similarly.

670 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:23:02pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.

I'm torn with dinging that up and dinging that down.

The 666 doesn't help.

671 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:23:23pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

Careful, they might sue.

672 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:23:46pm

re: #643 Sharmuta

Yep. Must. Ignore. Facts.

Nirthers, like troofers and other conspiracy believers, are just such strange attractors.

673 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:07pm

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

674 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:16pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

And I always thought a dead cat was useless!

675 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:29pm

re: #647 MandyManners

Spiders are SCARY!

676 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:38pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.

Did you hear that on the web?

677 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:40pm

re: #645 hermit

Y'know, speaking of LGF attys, I am constantly fascinated by the diversity of occupations Lizards have.

I wonder if Charles would be willing to do a Registered Lizard Occupation poll... probably would end up getting too personal, but it would be interesting. Perhaps a VOTE post with general areas of occupation, like gov't surveys use?

Meh, for the curiosity file...Teacher here.

You hermits are quite gregarious.

678 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:24:41pm

re: #662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it is funny when Charles posts something about the nirth etc. that someone comes on and says,


Reminds me of "The Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island". No one ever admitted to watching either show, but they were always in the top five for the week.

I've seen Fantasy Island on some station called TV land or something like that...It wasn't what i was expecting from a show with Fantasy in its name.

679 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:02pm

re: #605 MoonbatBane

Yup, a COLB could be used, one with all the available information filled in. Actually, you point out a possible reason for this whole mess. Maybe his Mom was so irresponsible that she never took the steps necessary to get a real birth certificate signed/on file (it's fairly automatic now, but may have not been back then). That means Obama doesn't have an "original long form birth certificate," and all he can produce is a COLB filled out with the few facts he has available.

Now, if he admits that he doesn't have an original long form birth certificate, the nirthers are going to go NUTS. So this is all he can do.

I know you meant you comment mockingly (apparently that's par for the course now at LGF if someone dares to counter the approved line of though with dissenting info. about the actual law -- just like over at DU or Daily Kos), but the shred of actual debate you had in there actually fills in the puzzle quite nicely.

Nice comparison to DU and dKos, but that is actually wearing thin. You use it when someone disagrees with your theory.

Mocking? Don't think so, as I was serious. Would it be mocking to state my kids were not issued birth certificates at their births either, 1976 & 1978? And if we wanted actual Birth Certificates, I am assuming this data would be pulled from their Certificates of Live Birth?

But from your tenor up there, it sounds like the implication is my parents and my wife and I are irresponsible for failing to request a long from Birth Certificate?

(Maybe his Mom was so irresponsible that she never took the steps necessary to get a real birth certificate signed/on file)
680 Kragar  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:08pm

Whenever I hear about someone afraid of spiders, I'm reminded of Okinawa.

We were doing fire teams patrols in Northern Training Area, when our point man dropped his gear and started screaming "ITS IN MY HELMET! ITS IN MY HELMET!" My buddy smacked him in the back of the head so hard he knocked him to the ground, got the spider though. He had wandered into a web and a 5 inch long Banana spider had hitched a ride.

Needless to say, we never let him live that down.

681 Lincolntf  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:11pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout
That's brutal. 360 bucks for a parking ticket? What State/City is that?

682 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:14pm

re: #665 Killian Bundy

/you can't swing a dead cat on LGF without hitting a lawyer

Hey, you're right! Sorry, OR!

/I'm gonna need a new cat...

683 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:17pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.

*rimshot*

684 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:18pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Walter's Book of Seafood has always described crabs as sea spiders. And lobsters are simply sea cockroaches, and crayfish are simply sea silver fish and...

"Is this going to be a stand-up fight, sir, or another bug hunt?"

685 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:21pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Speaking of spiders, in the wake of the shoe-throwing incident, I hear Bush is now suffering from iraqnophobia.


Man I wish I said that! Well done!

686 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:25pm

re: #672 FurryOldGuyJeans

Can't we just put them all under the "troofer" umbrella? Too many for me to keep up with.

687 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:27pm

re: #645 hermit

Disabled and nigh on unemployable would be my occupation.

688 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:32pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Good grief. Sorry to hear it, hope your pictures come out OK. :/

689 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:33pm

re: #681 Lincolntf

Portland OR.

690 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:40pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!


Take the ass to court.

691 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:44pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

Visualize yourself in a positive place; ridiculing this idiot in the courtroom with the photos you took. It should be a slam dunk.

692 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:48pm

re: #654 Walter L. Newton

I hate to eat them alive.

/how about octopus?

693 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:49pm

re: #539 kcladderman

Still sticking to the I'm not a nirther statement.

I'm really not one. Have been wavering in the middle to tell the truth, leaning toward "born in Hawaii." While the legal arguments (see #410) really are pretty interesting, I just couldn't see every Hawaii official who has had access to the original BC over the past many months being "in on it." That was balanced against Obama's camp spending all that (what I then figured was) unnecessary money to fight release of the original BC.

Not wavering any more. #553 Outrider actually provided (probably inadvertently) the answer I was looking for: Obama was born in Hawaii, but he never got an original long form birth certificate or it was destroyed, and therefore he can't make this whole thing go away by just ordering a copy. All he could do is produce a COLB (as he did) and fight it out like he's doing, or get a new birth certificate issued and fight an even uglier fight. Obama definitely can't admit that he has no long form birth certificate on file because that would REALLY light a fire under the nirther crowd.

It fits the facts, it's a simple solution, and it explains the Obama camp's behavior. And I really hadn't considered it before.

Wow, despite all the snarkiness from certain lizard (including some who I used to respect), this has actually been a pretty useful debate. Who'd have thunk it?

694 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:50pm

re: #674 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I always thought a dead cat was useless!

I distinctly remember a book, "101 uses for a dead cat."

Sounds pretty useful.

It's the live ones that are useless.

695 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:25:53pm

re: #661 Occasional Reader

... tuna as simply chicken of the sea...

As I have posted here in the past, tuna is about the only fish I will eat, only raw, packed in WATER, not OIL (gosh, fish are fishy enough, why pickle it in oil?)

Sat. night, after the show, which my girlfriend attended, we went to the hotel across the street from the theatre and she had a little snack of calamari.

Whoa, I went ahead and had ONE piece. Since when is it legal to bread and deep fry rubber bands?

696 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:26:44pm
697 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:26:55pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Take it to court!

698 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:26:56pm
699 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:13pm

re: #676 solomonpanting

Did you hear that on the web?

If I spend too much time on the web, I risk becoming something of a recluse.

700 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:20pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

Once the ticket is torn out of the book, he's got to account for it, so there is no tearing it up. I'd say you have a good shot at having it thrown out.

701 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:20pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Hey Kilgore? You're going to lose. The county needs your $360.00. If you find a way to beat it, please let me know; I will be astonished.

702 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:22pm

re: #671 CyanSnowHawk

Careful, they might sue.

The lawyers or the dead cat?

703 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:26pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I see you have discovered the corollary purpose for handicapped zones.

704 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:29pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

Pretty much the equivalent of an old-timey speed trap.

705 kansas  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:32pm

Could be worse. That weasel John McCain could have been elected. Heard him on Steppy. Gawd.

706 Clemente  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:44pm

re: #519 MandyManners

I've a rum-runner/financier as an ancestor.

I've a Utah moonshiner. Wonder if they did any business...

I know that sounds like a curious business model, but she had a blind husband and two babies to support. She got it done by moonshining outside of SLC for a while, then went to LA where she started and ran a construction supplier. Her husband passed away, and the depression killed the business, so she and the kids worked as migrant produce pickers to get by. Eventually, her son built himself a trucking business, and her daughter married my grandfather.

707 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:45pm

re: #677 debutaunt

You hermits are quite gregarious.

Just this one, I think...hmmm, does typing a lot qualify as gregarious -- technically speaking?

708 bloodnok  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:50pm

re: #484 loppyd

Ah, but we still have a special election in MA. Remember the dems changed it when they were convinced that Kerry was going to win the presidency and they didn't want Romney appointing his replacement?

Curt Schilling needs a job...hint hint...

(just kidding...I think)

709 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:27:57pm

re: #670 Silhouette

I'm torn with dinging that up and dinging that down.

The 666 doesn't help.

I had to ding it up - it inspired a giggle, and on a day like this (I'm still freezing my hinder parts off), I need one.

710 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:00pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Ouch!

I would also take pictures of an intact parking spot to show how the snow completely covers the handicapped sign.

711 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:09pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

No need to be furious. You are prepared.

712 Kragar  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:16pm

Speaking of government ripoffs, did anyone see the NYC fat tax on sodas?

713 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:16pm

re: #688 gop_patriot

I just uploaded them, they came out great. There's a great pic of him scowling at me as he tries to clean up the parking space before I get more pictures. I'm pretty pissed that I'm going to have to waste time in court with this but it's going to be very satisfying.

714 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:19pm

re: #671 CyanSnowHawk

Careful, they might sue.

They?

/I'll just file a counterclaim

715 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:19pm

re: #689 Killgore Trout

Portland OR.

Yes? What about Portland?

716 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:27pm

re: #694 Silhouette

I distinctly remember a book, "101 uses for a dead cat."

Sounds pretty useful.

It's the live ones that are useless.

Excuse me, but they are far better than hot water bottles.

717 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:38pm

re: #711 wrenchwench

No need to be furious. You are prepared.

ALWAYS carry a camera in your car.

718 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:45pm

re: #691 Occasional Reader

It should be a slam dunk.


I hope so.

719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:28:48pm

re: #694 Silhouette

I remember that book! One use was "oven mitts".

720 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:05pm

re: #694 Silhouette

I distinctly remember a book, "101 uses for a dead cat."

Sounds pretty useful.

It's the live ones that are useless.

May I quote you to goddess?
(and then run like hell, of course)

721 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:06pm

Thanos

Ah, so your argument is even though I specifically said i had no doubt Obama was eligible, and said that the rule i wanted to see applied (that your prove your eligibility) should not apply to obama, and even after having said that I think the BC troofers are outcome motivated and maybe even a little racist, despite all that, you can read my mind and you know what my real agenda is.

Gotcha. Well, clearly its not just the birth certificate "troofers" who are unhinged.

722 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:08pm

re: #692 Killian Bundy

/how about octopus?


We going to start talking about pussy again?

723 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:30pm

re: #674 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I always thought a dead cat was useless!

According to Mark Twain in Tom Sawyer, if you bury a dead cat in the graveyard after midnight after someone has just been buried, it can cure warts. I think I got that right?

724 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:33pm

re: #670 Silhouette

I think we need either a [WHACK] a [GROAN] or a [CLUNK] button.

725 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:38pm

re: #716 vxbush

Excuse me, but they are far better than hot water bottles.

But with a hot water bottle, you can just re-heat it with fresh water. I have never figured out how to re-heat the cat. It gets so messy.

726 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:44pm

re: #693 MoonbatBane

Trot out already debunked bullshit and you are gonna get splattered by the blowback.

727 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:53pm

re: #717 Creeping Eruption

ALWAYS carry a camera in your car.

I'm lucky the battery still worked. It had been sitting in the car for quite some time.

728 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:29:57pm

re: #703 rawmuse

I see you have discovered the corollary purpose for handicapped zones.

My cat is represented by Dewy, Cheatum, and Meow...:)

729 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:00pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

FIGHT IT.

730 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:11pm

re: #708 bloodnok

Curt Schilling needs a job...hint hint...

(just kidding...I think)

That would be interesting...

On the dem side it would be Lynch, Coakley, Tolman, Cahill, Harshbarger...

731 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:12pm
732 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:23pm

re: #706 Clemente

I've a Utah moonshiner. Wonder if they did any business...

I have a grandfather on my father's side that ran up and down the East coast in the 30's doing surgery for the mob, really, and he was only a surgical assistant in the Navy in the 20's. He had no paper what's so ever.

733 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:35pm

re: #717 Creeping Eruption

ALWAYS carry a camera in your car.

Or figure out how to use the one on my phone. (I'll have to find another place for the post its.)

734 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:41pm

While I find the whole Obama case annoying, I have to say that it has raised some interesting questions regarding how you define citizenship that are pretty relevant with today's more fluid society. But that's as far as I can raise any interest in it.

735 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:45pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader


How long have you been waiting to use that?

736 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:51pm

re: #721 A.W.

Naw, it's the people who endlessly talk about something that's OVAH! that are unhinged.

737 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:54pm

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

As I have posted here in the past, tuna is about the only fish I will eat, only raw, packed in WATER

You had me lost me at "packed'. Canned tuna of any sort is absolutely vile, IMHO. While fresh tuna filet, on the other hand is food of the gods.

Now, one fish you might like; if you ever happen to find yourself in Paraguay or northern Argentina, try the surubí. It really, truly does "taste like chicken" (and the meat even looks like chicken).

738 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:56pm

re: #724 WriterMom

I think we need either a [WHACK] a [GROAN] or a [CLUNK] button.

I nominate [ROLLS EYES]

739 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:30:58pm

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

As I have posted here in the past, tuna is about the only fish I will eat, only raw, packed in WATER, not OIL (gosh, fish are fishy enough, why pickle it in oil?)

Sat. night, after the show, which my girlfriend attended, we went to the hotel across the street from the theatre and she had a little snack of calamari.

Whoa, I went ahead and had ONE piece. Since when is it legal to bread and deep fry rubber bands?

The hoopster kneels down to pray..Lord please make this a food thread and make the spiders go away.. /

740 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:00pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Take a picture of handicapped spots nearby, that are still snow obscured.

741 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:02pm

re: #705 kansas

Could be worse. That weasel John McCain could have been elected. Heard him on Steppy. Gawd.

At least Our Messiah-King is a lot more forthcoming with his Socialist/Marxism/Green agenda,

742 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:08pm

re: #693 MoonbatBane

HE DOESN'T NEED A LONG FORM.

743 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:19pm

re: #725 Creeping Eruption

But with a hot water bottle, you can just re-heat it with fresh water. I have never figured out how to re-heat the cat. It gets so messy.

That's because there is no need. Self sustaining, once food, water, and litter are taken care of.

744 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:19pm

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

It's finger food, Walter.

745 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:25pm

re: #727 Killgore Trout

I'm lucky the battery still worked. It had been sitting in the car for quite some time.

Can you post the pictures on some server, might be fun to see. Maybe Zombie can do a photo essay on it on Zombietime?

746 UberInfidel67  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:31:25pm

*OT* I just wanted to share with ya'll something I got in an email:

Here is a new way to look at a deck of cards!
Please do not delete! You will be glad you didn't.

Deck of Cards

It was quiet that day, the guns and the mortars, and land mines for some reason
hadn't been heard.

The young soldier knew it was Sunday, the holiest day of the week.

As he was sitting there, he got out an old deck of cards and laid them out
across his bunk.
Just then an army sergeant came in and said, 'Why aren't you with the rest of
the platoon?'
The soldier replied, 'I thought I would stay behind and spend some time with the
Lord.'
The sergeant said, 'Looks to me like you're going to play cards.'
The soldier said, 'No, sir. You see, since we are not allowed to have Bibles or
other spiritual books in this country,
I've decided to talk to the Lord by studying this deck of cards.'
The sergeant asked in disbelief, 'How will you do that?'
'You see the Ace, Sergeant? It reminds me that there is only one God.
The Two represents the two parts of the Bible, Old and New Testaments
The Three represents the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost.
The Four stands for the Four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John .
The Five is for the five virgins there were ten but only five of them were
glorified.
The Six is for the six days it took God to create the Heavens and Earth.
The Seven is for the day God rested after making His Creation.
The Eight is for the family of Noah and his wife, their three sons and their
wives -- the eight people God spared from the flood that destroyed the Earth.
The Nine is for the lepers that Jesus cleansed of leprosy He cleansed ten, but
nine never thanked Him.
The Ten represents the Ten Commandments that God handed down to Moses on tablets made of stone.
The Jack is a reminder of Satan, one of God's first angels, but he got kicked
out of heaven for his sly and wicked ways and is now the joker of eternal hell.
The Queen stands for the Virgin Mary.
The King stands for Jesus, for he is the King of all kings.
When I count the dots on all the cards, I come up with 365 total, one for every
day of the year.
There are a total of 52 cards in a deck; each is a week - 52 weeks in a year.
The four suits represent the four seasons: Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter.
Each suit has thirteen cards -- there are exactly thirteen weeks in a quarter.
So when I want to talk to God and thank Him, I just pull out this old deck of
cards and they remind me of all that I have to be thankful for.'
The sergeant just stood there. After a minute, with tears in his eyes and pain
in his heart, he said, 'Soldier, can I borrow that deck of cards?'

Please let this be a reminder and take time to pray for all of our soldiers who
are being sent away, putting their lives on the line fighting

Prayer for the Military.

Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands.
Protect them.
Bless them and their families.
I ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

Amen.


In God I Trust!

747 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:19pm
748 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:21pm

The caption for this AP photo seems odd.

Cherries are covered in ice after an ice storm, in East Greenbush, N.Y., Friday, Dec. 12, 2008. An ice storm knocked out power to more than a half-million homes and businesses in New England and upstate New York Friday.
(AP Photo/Mike Groll)

Cherries on trees in New York in December?

749 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:26pm

re: #737 Occasional Reader

And tuna sashimi is > > > FOODGASM.

750 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:27pm

re: #742 Sharmuta

HE DOESN'T NEED A LONG FORM.

Hi!

751 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:41pm

re: #718 Killgore Trout

I hope so.

I'm always pessimistic with the law and authority...dont be too sure...I hate that shit...wow 360$

752 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:43pm
753 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:32:58pm

re: #742 Sharmuta

HE DOESN'T NEED A LONG FORM.

Facts don't matter to a strange attractor.

754 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:33:20pm

re: #735 Ben Hur

How long have you been waiting to use that?

Since August of 1990, when I first heard the keyword used in a punchline. (You can guess the context.)

755 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:33:23pm

In God we trust, all others pay cash!

756 oh_dude  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:33:50pm

Why do Kooks get some much coverage here?

I remember a survey that found something like 5+% Americans believe that Elvis is still alive.

757 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:01pm

re: #746 UberInfidel67

We had several guys who, during a 12 month remote/isolated (no dependents) tour in South Korea, would mail one playing card from a deck home every week. That way their kids could watch the pile grow as it got closer to daddy's coming home. I loved that idea.

758 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:04pm

Has anyone listed all the different kinds of certificates of birth there are, or is such a list specific to each state?

759 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:05pm

re: #724 WriterMom

I think we need either a [WHACK] a [GROAN] or a [CLUNK] button.

YES!

So I can sit at my computer at work and WHACK and GROAN all day!

760 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:17pm

re: #662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it is funny when Charles posts something about the nirth etc. that someone comes on and says,

Reminds me of "The Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island". No one ever admitted to watching either show, but they were always in the top five for the week.

I never watched either show. Ever.

761 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:26pm

re: #586 FurryOldGuyJeans

State some facts or actual points of law and there would be a discussion. You have done neither.

You're kidding, right?

From #410:

The question is NOT whether Obama is a citizen, but rather whether he is a "NATURAL BORN" citizen. The rules are different. There is NO QUESTION that Obama is a citizen. The nirthers are questioning whether he's a NATURAL BORN citizen.

That would be a point of law -- the issue is "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" vs. "citizen." (I assumed -- maybe incorrectly -- that this term was recognizable from Art. II sec. 1 of the Constitution.)

First, "natural born" MAY be measured by the laws in place at the time he was born, and under those laws, Obama is a natural born citizen ONLY if he (a) was born in Hawaii (likely) or (b) he was born to a US citizen who had been a resident of the US for 10 years, five of which were after that parent was 14.

Point of law -- the law when Obama was born.

The first is likely, but set that aside for the moment. Since Obama's mom was 18 when he was born, he couldn't qualify under the second test.

Fact.

However, there have been amendments and changes to the relevant laws, and it is an open question whether or not those amendments and changes had retroactive effect.

Point of law -- maybe the law has changed.

Some lizards have said that Hawaii has vouched for the COLB (calling it a birth certificate). This is also flat-out wrong. All they have done is vouch for the existence of Obama's records because that is all they are allowed to do under the law (it's a privacy thing).

Facts.

Well, it is until you look at Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178, which allows/allowed registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.

Point of law with a freaking cite to the actual statute.

Etc.

Begone, KOsling.

762 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:26pm

re: #756 oh_dude

Why do Kooks get some much coverage here?

I remember a survey that found something like 5+% Americans believe that Elvis is still alive.

It's an anti-idiotarian site.

763 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:30pm

re: #728 Dustyvet

My cat is represented by Dewy, Cheatum, and Meow...:)

There's a horse that's retiring today named Deweycheathamandhowe.

764 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:36pm

re: #759 Ben Hur

I thought that was your day job!?!

765 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:51pm

re: #749 WriterMom

And tuna sashimi is > > > > FOODGASM.

I concur.

766 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:55pm

re: #759 Ben Hur

YES!

So I can sit at my computer at work and WHACK and GROAN all day!

:Rolls eyes:

767 bloodnok  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:34:56pm

re: #730 loppyd

That would be interesting...

On the dem side it would be Lynch, Coakley, Tolman, Cahill, Harshbarger...

Lynch wouldn't be so bad. Of all of those names I'd prefer him, I guess. I'd love it if Mitt came back to run for that seat again.

768 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:10pm

re: #760 Son of the Black Dog

I watched both and know all the words and lyrics to Grease.

So there!

769 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:11pm

re: #756 oh_dude

Why do Kooks get some much coverage here?

I remember a survey that found something like 5+% Americans believe that Elvis is still alive.

He is. I saw him just this weekend. (my brothers cat is named Elvis)

770 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:19pm

re: #755 Dustyvet

In God we trust, all others pay cash!

When I was in the Army, we had a slogan that said, "In God we trust, all others we monitor"

771 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:28pm

re: #765 loppyd

{Sushi Soul Sistah}

772 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:35pm

re: #740 swamprat

Take a picture of handicapped spots nearby, that are still snow obscured.

Then clean off all the signs and deprive the city of the revenue stream.

773 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:50pm

Thanos

Since I am talking about future presidential elections, I guess by definition it is not over. Although, God, i am sick of hearing about 2012 already.

Geez, you are kind of an imbecile, aren't you?

But i love what passes for common sense these days. We have gone from Reagan's "trust but verify" to "trust me, you don't need to verify." Well, sorry but like I said I thought we were checking this sort of thing all along, and now i know we aren't, I say starting with the next person to become president (so don't worry, i am not threatening the ascendency of the lightbringer), let's make them prove they are eligible. What on earth could possibly be wrong that?

774 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:51pm

Time to hit the road...

Have a good afternoon, all.

775 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:35:56pm

re: #761 MoonbatBane

Trot out more debunked bullshit while your at it.

And calling ME a KOSling is just so wounding.

776 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:09pm

re: #758 vxbush

Has anyone listed all the different kinds of certificates of birth there are, or is such a list specific to each state?

There are long forms and short forms. Each state is allowed to create their own forms, but it's fairly standardized in that the pertinent information is going to be present in each state- name, DOB, location, etc.

777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:16pm

re: #727 Killgore Trout

Sorry for being so negative. I have increased my moving vehicle awareness recently. Municipalities are feeling a cash crunch. I am afraid they are going to turn the heat up on law enforcement.

Arrest a felon, hell, we have to house them. Write a ticket? We gets the money!

They will "Sheriff of Nottingham" our asses into the poor house.

I am not (in any way) accusing police officers of these tactics, thank goodness they are there. Sheriffs and Chiefs are going to be hammered by their local boards to turn up enforcement for "public safety" reasons.

778 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:17pm

re: #763 Dianna

There's a horse that's retiring today named Deweycheathamandhowe.

Had a friend who named her horse "Bucking Faster" 'cause it sounded so great over the loudspeakers when she was announced at competitions! LOL

779 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:19pm

re: #749 WriterMom

And tuna sashimi is > > > > FOODGASM.

I dunno... don't sales of sushi and sashimi promote the export of radical Wasabi Islam?

780 gop_patriot  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:38pm

re: #680 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh my God. I would have had a heart attack. The brown banana spiders in South America are extremely poisonous, hope this one wasn't. Yikes.

OK y'all, I'm heading out into the freezing rain to the store. Talk to you later!

781 loppyd  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:52pm

re: #771 WriterMom

{Sushi Soul Sistah}

With extra wasabi love...

Really gone now!

782 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:36:58pm

re: #756 oh_dude

Why do Kooks get some much coverage here?

I remember a survey that found something like 5+% Americans believe that Elvis is still alive.


Elvis is Dead!?

783 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:09pm

re: #740 swamprat

I have some very clear shots of the spot I was in before he starting clearing it. That's why he rushed over when he saw I was getting photographic evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if this slideshow gets him fired.

784 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:12pm

re: #777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry for being so negative. I have increased my moving vehicle awareness recently. Municipalities are feeling a cash crunch. I am afraid they are going to turn the heat up on law enforcement.

Arrest a felon, hell, we have to house them. Write a ticket? We gets the money!

They will "Sheriff of Nottingham" our asses into the poor house.

I am not (in any way) accusing police officers of these tactics, thank goodness they are there. Sheriffs and Chiefs are going to be hammered by their local boards to turn up enforcement for "public safety" reasons.

785 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:12pm

re: #772 CyanSnowHawk

Then clean off all the signs and deprive the city of the revenue stream.

Yea I bet those spots are the first place the cop heads every time it snows.

786 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:13pm

re: #739 HoosierHoops

The hoopster kneels down to pray..Lord please make this a food thread and make the spiders go away.. /

Okay, let's discuss the various methods for catching (and properly aging) flies and other small winged insects.

787 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:21pm

re: #779 Occasional Reader

BEHEAD THOSE WHO JOKE ABOUT SUSHI

788 Dustyvet  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:34pm

re: #769 kcladderman

He is. I saw him just this weekend. (my brothers cat is named Elvis)

Our supply section in Vietnam had a sign that read "In God we trust, all others must sign a hand receipt"

789 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:39pm

re: #763 Dianna

There's a horse that's retiring today named Deweycheathamandhowe.

You know, of course, that joke has been used for years, if not decades, on "Car Talk".

790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:37:57pm

re: #760 Son of the Black Dog

I never watched either show. Ever.

But, you get my point.

791 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:38:07pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

There are long forms and short forms. Each state is allowed to create their own forms, but it's fairly standardized in that the pertinent information is going to be present in each state- name, DOB, location, etc.

See, what I don't get is why you would need a long one and why the short one wouldn't be sufficient. I have an old xerox copy of mine from 1960-something that was considered acceptable just because it had the state seal on it--despite the frayed edges, faded text, etc.

792 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:38:13pm

re: #782 HoosierHoops

LOL

793 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:38:57pm

re: #777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Municipalities are feeling a cash crunch. I am afraid they are going to turn the heat up on law enforcement.

Agreed. Hence, my Christmas present to me.

794 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:07pm

re: #789 Occasional Reader

You know, of course, that joke has been used for years, if not decades, on "Car Talk".

Along with the Director of Long Term Strategic Planning, Kay Serah-Serah.

795 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:14pm

re: #784 albusteve

whoops...anyhow I got a ticket last year for no seatbelt for crossing a service ally from one strip mall to another...Rio Ranch NM...115$...revenue plain and simple...

796 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:16pm

re: #773 A.W.

Well then write your congress critter, don't harp at us. What you are wanting takes legislation or an ammendent or something. Right?

797 invictus1  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:20pm

re: #761 MoonbatBane

Point of law with a freaking cite to the actual statute.

Etc.

Begone, KOsling.

Can't you people just give up on this birth certificate thing? If it had an ounce of truth to it, it would have gotten out months ago.

798 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:39:35pm

re: #745 Walter L. Newton

Heh, that's a good idea.

800 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:40:19pm

re: #794 rawmuse

Along with the Director of Long Term Strategic Planning, Kay Serah-Serah.

Along with the seat cushion monitor Mike Keester.

801 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:40:47pm

re: #794 rawmuse

Along with the Director of Long Term Strategic Planning, Kay Serah-Serah.

And our Russian chauffeur, Pikop Andropov.

[etc.]

802 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:40:56pm

re: #791 vxbush

See, what I don't get is why you would need a long one and why the short one wouldn't be sufficient. I have an old xerox copy of mine from 1960-something that was considered acceptable just because it had the state seal on it--despite the frayed edges, faded text, etc.

Because the only people who think the short form is insufficient are the Nirthers. If it was not acceptable as proof of birth, ID, citizenship- the government would not issue them as standard. You have to specifically ask for the long form in most cases.

Also- the only difference between a BC and a COLB is one is called a "birth certificate" and the other is called a "certificate of live birth"- they are the same thing.

803 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:41:09pm

re: #783 Killgore Trout

I have some very clear shots of the spot I was in before he starting clearing it. That's why he rushed over when he saw I was getting photographic evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if this slideshow gets him fired.

Wanna bet? It's good that you have the pictures, but even if it helps a judge rule in your favor, there is no way the cop is going to get canned.

And if I were you , I would check it the city has a web site with city ordinances and find out the particulars of the laws about handicap parking spaces.

In many cities, as long as a space is legally marked, you are responsible to make sure nothing has blocked your view of the marking.

It's only the cities responsibility to properly mark the space. And act of nature, or an act that is out of the control of the city, may not release you from your obligation to make sure you are not parking in a handicap spot.

Bummer.

804 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:41:15pm

re: #783 Killgore Trout

I have some very clear shots of the spot I was in before he starting clearing it. That's why he rushed over when he saw I was getting photographic evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if this slideshow gets him fired.

Let's hope. It's fun to see a petty tyrant get his comeuppance.

805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:41:36pm

re: #800 solomonpanting

Hell, it's Click and Clack! Car Talk time.

Limo service provided by Pickop and Dropov...

806 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:41:43pm

re: #783 Killgore Trout

Excellent.

808 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:22pm

re: #805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes. What you said Reader.

809 oh_dude  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:27pm

re: #762 Thanos

Understand, just feel like there is a lot of group-think going on here. I'm afraid to make any kind of statement of belief especially some stuff that may be considered "fringe"

I don't want to get labeled as a Kook.

For example, I saw this thing on Discovery channel last night regarding new research on the Shroud of Turin. "Science" had previously confirmed it as "bunk" and being somewhat rational I figured it wasn't real. I mean, how can you dispute carbon dating?

But after watching the documentary I wasn't so sure anymore.

Does that make me a Kook?

810 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:27pm

re: #787 WriterMom

BEHEAD THOSE WHO JOKE ABOUT SUSHI

Can we wrap it in bacon?

811 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:41pm

re: #797 invictus1

Can't you people just give up on this birth certificate thing? If it had an ounce of truth to it, it would have gotten out months ago.

Truth is not something the conspiracy strange attractors are really looking for. They are just looking to feel they know something other people don't, no matter how absurd and illogical or debunked that something is.

812 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:42:41pm

re: #803 Walter L. Newton

In many cities, as long as a space is legally marked, you are responsible to make sure nothing has blocked your view of the marking.

It's only the cities responsibility to properly mark the space. And act of nature, or an act that is out of the control of the city, may not release you from your obligation to make sure you are not parking in a handicap spot.


Bummer, indeed. I feel pretty confident but anything can happen.

813 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:43:08pm

re: #802 Sharmuta

Because the only people who think the short form is insufficient are the Nirthers. If it was not acceptable as proof of birth, ID, citizenship- the government would not issue them as standard. You have to specifically ask for the long form in most cases.

Also- the only difference between a BC and a COLB is one is called a "birth certificate" and the other is called a "certificate of live birth"- they are the same thing.

There's something to be said for having *one* form, and one form only. Period. End of story. It simplifies a lot.

814 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:43:40pm

re: #799 Alouette

These "people" (I use the term with extreme generosity) raising the world's most fucked-up kids.

The kids would suffer if their parents were dealt with ... appropriately.

815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:43:45pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

Judge'll ask, ever been to this store before? You know where handicapped spaces were?

816 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:44:00pm

re: #805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, it's Click and Clack! Car Talk time.

Limo service provided by Pickop and Dropov...

Sexual Harrassment Director Pat McCan.

817 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:44:25pm

re: #799 Alouette

These "people" (I use the term with extreme generosity) raising the world's most fucked-up kids.

Sad because the kids just don't have a fighting chance when "raised" by people like that. They are doomed to a life of failure. That is why I never viewed the aryan nation dolts as a threat. They are sad and laughable, but not a threat.

818 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:44:42pm

re: #692 Killian Bundy

/how about octopus?

In Soviet Bering Sea, octopus eats you!

819 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:44:54pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

Bummer, indeed. I feel pretty confident but anything can happen.

just take the jail time bubba...

820 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:45:12pm

re: #809 oh_dude

Understand, just feel like there is a lot of group-think going on here. I'm afraid to make any kind of statement of belief especially some stuff that may be considered "fringe"

I don't want to get labeled as a Kook.

For example, I saw this thing on Discovery channel last night regarding new research on the Shroud of Turin. "Science" had previously confirmed it as "bunk" and being somewhat rational I figured it wasn't real. I mean, how can you dispute carbon dating?

But after watching the documentary I wasn't so sure anymore.

Does that make me a Kook?

And you know nothing about science. Much of the "science" on these sort of channels are entertainment, popular science, not critical thinking based presentations.

Sorry, the the least, the shroud is a man made item. In the most, it is a deliberate hoax.

821 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:45:21pm

re: #760 Son of the Black Dog

I never watched either show. Ever.

I only happend to see it during sweeps week.

822 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:02pm

re: #813 vxbush

There's something to be said for having *one* form, and one form only. Period. End of story. It simplifies a lot.

More intrusion of the Federal government and usurpation of the veneer of State Sovereignty? Why not just come out and create the National ID card and do away with state governments.

823 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:19pm

re: #759 Ben Hur

YES!

So I can sit at my computer at work and WHACK and GROAN all day!

Just like the penguin!

824 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:25pm

re: #795 albusteve

whoops...anyhow I got a ticket last year for no seatbelt for crossing a service ally from one strip mall to another...Rio Ranch NM...115$...revenue plain and simple...

Chiming in on this one...It was about 12:30 P.M. and I was coming home from a friends house with my wife. A road was closed due to construction and so we turned into a backroad...after driving more than halfway the road then miraculously becomes a one way... I drive the 10 'one way' feet to get to the road that put me back on track.

Apparently this is a great hang out to get a ticket. I did.

Then on the way home from Thanksgiving...2 in the morning from my parents, we, again with my wife, are driving home... My wife says, "Let's go really slow so that no cop can pick us up. I look up...Speed limit 65, I am going 55, then a sign is coming up that the speed drops to 45...I drop to 40...about a mile after the sign I check the rear view and officer friendly is driving at the speed of light to catch up. I was speeding... Hooray for mobile state sponsored cashiers who take my money in return for an increase of 'driving points' on my record!

The opportunity cost of those tickets was at least a rape and drug deal...

825 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:27pm

re: #778 hermit

Had a friend who named her horse "Bucking Faster" 'cause it sounded so great over the loudspeakers when she was announced at competitions! LOL

hahahahahahahahahhahahaahaa

826 opinionated  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:35pm

I am also arguing that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

A man who can turn back the oceans, will cure what ails us, will make Muslims love us, will end wars, will repair the economy, is faster then a speeding bullet, leaps tall buildings in a single bound, and had no clue as to the corruption in Illinois...must be an alien.

Where did his earth parents hide his spaceship?

827 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:46:54pm

re: #817 Creeping Eruption

Sad because the kids just don't have a fighting chance when "raised" by people like that. They are doomed to a life of failure. That is why I never viewed the aryan nation dolts as a threat. They are sad and laughable, but not a threat.

These kids, if not removed by CPS ASAP, will grow up to become Columbine shooters. Or Muslims.

828 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:05pm

re: #799 Alouette

These "people" (I use the term with extreme generosity) raising the world's most fucked-up kids.

These kids need to be adopted by normal people immediately. Also, Adolf needs a haircut.

829 UberInfidel67  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:15pm

re: #752 buzzsawmonkeyDo you HAVE to know everything? GEESH! lol I just thought it was a cool little story. : )

830 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:19pm

re: #813 vxbush

There's something to be said for having *one* form, and one form only. Period. End of story. It simplifies a lot.

There's something to be said for that. In the mean time, a short form does not prevent the holder from obtaining a state ID/Driver's License or passport. Also- it's acceptable to prove eligibility to hold a job for one's employer. It's an acceptable form of proof of birth, citizenship and ID. End of story.

831 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:31pm

re: #799 Alouette

These "people" (I use the term with extreme generosity) raising the world's most fucked-up kids.

I posted a link to another story about this in the links this morning. This is nothing short of child abuse.

832 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:39pm

re: #809 oh_dude

Only if you don't research it further, and start denying the evidence that's there. The other thing to note, both Discovery and Nat'l Geo aren't always scientific, I've seen a lot of pseudo science and fringe beliefs appear on those channels. Here's an example. They are catering to a particular market share, and that's why if you are trying to back something scientific up, they aren't the best place to cite.

833 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:47:45pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

Bummer, indeed. I feel pretty confident but anything can happen.

Look up the city regulations. I bet you can find out for sure. I bet you don't want to know the answer.

834 jorline  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:03pm

re: #779 Occasional Reader

I dunno... don't sales of sushi and sashimi promote the export of radical Wasabi Islam?

Wasabi Islam is nothing more than lizard poop.

835 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:23pm

re: #826 opinionated

ROFLMHWAO! I regret that I have but one upding to give for such scribblings!

836 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:28pm
837 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:30pm

re: #824 Oh no...Sand People!

Hooray for mobile state sponsored cashiers who take my money in return for an increase of 'driving points' on my record!

I think the vast majority of speeding tickets amount to little more than a randomly-assessed, arbitrary tax.

838 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:48:35pm

re: #822 FurryOldGuyJeans

More intrusion of the Federal government and usurpation of the veneer of State Sovereignty? Why not just come out and create the National ID card and do away with state governments.

Point taken. I hate the idea of the national ID card. So each state should have one and one form only. Yes, there would be fifty different forms for states (and a few others for territories), but we wouldn't have this long form, short form, whatever form nonsense.

839 Dianna  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:49:05pm

re: #789 Occasional Reader

You know, of course, that joke has been used for years, if not decades, on "Car Talk".

Yes.

But it was a very handsome horse.

840 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:49:29pm

re: #815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ive been to the store plenty of times but I don't have the layout memorized. You could see any markings for the parking spaces. I was just parking in an empty spot between cars.

841 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:49:30pm

re: #827 Alouette

These kids, if not removed by CPS ASAP, will grow up to become Columbine shooters. Or Muslims.

Those kids are going to have the intellect and capabilities of lobotomized hamsters. I'd be surprised if they turn out to be intelligent enough to load a gun let alone plan mass murder.

842 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:50:27pm

re: #814 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The kids would suffer if their parents were dealt with ... appropriately.

I'd suggest a variation on the game show The Amazing Race. Put the kids with the grandparents for a bit and drop Mom and Dad in the middle of the African continent with no way home other than to ask the locals for help. Might give them a little perspective on so-called racial superiority.

843 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:50:45pm

re: #828 doppelganglander

These kids need to be adopted by normal people immediately. Also, Adolf needs a haircut.

Maybe he can be adopted by a Jewish family, and they will make him an upsherenish. Leave lovely payos.

844 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:12pm

re: #826 opinionated

I am also arguing that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

A man who can turn back the oceans, will cure what ails us, will make Muslims love us, will end wars, will repair the economy, is faster then a speeding bullet, leaps tall buildings in a single bound, and had no clue as to the corruption in Illinois...must be an alien.

Where did his earth parents hide his spaceship?

Citizen or not, I say the dude ain't natural!

845 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:18pm

re: #824 Oh no...Sand People!

Chiming in on this one...It was about 12:30 P.M. and I was coming home from a friends house with my wife. A road was closed due to construction and so we turned into a backroad...after driving more than halfway the road then miraculously becomes a one way... I drive the 10 'one way' feet to get to the road that put me back on track.

Apparently this is a great hang out to get a ticket. I did.

Then on the way home from Thanksgiving...2 in the morning from my parents, we, again with my wife, are driving home... My wife says, "Let's go really slow so that no cop can pick us up. I look up...Speed limit 65, I am going 55, then a sign is coming up that the speed drops to 45...I drop to 40...about a mile after the sign I check the rear view and officer friendly is driving at the speed of light to catch up. I was speeding... Hooray for mobile state sponsored cashiers who take my money in return for an increase of 'driving points' on my record!

The opportunity cost of those tickets was at least a rape and drug deal...

the death of common sense...misguided authority

846 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:20pm

re: #843 Alouette

Maybe he can be adopted by a Jewish family, and they will make him an upsherenish. Leave lovely payos.

LOL

847 theheat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:31pm

Kind of embarrassing to say, but I know several people who think there's something to this birth certificate thing. They grasp the concept of anchor babies, but not an American citizen who gave birth on American soil. Maybe they don't think Hawaii is part of America?

There isn't enough here to even be an interesting conspiracy theory. I don't get the enthusiasm for it.

848 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:32pm

re: #838 vxbush

Point taken. I hate the idea of the national ID card. So each state should have one and one form only. Yes, there would be fifty different forms for states (and a few others for territories), but we wouldn't have this long form, short form, whatever form nonsense.

Even with one over-all form there would be discrepancies that conspiracy strange attractors would see to spout some bullshit theory or three. Deal with humans and there will be imperfection someone can exploit.

849 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:51:50pm
850 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:52:08pm

re: #838 vxbush

Point taken. I hate the idea of the national ID card. So each state should have one and one form only. Yes, there would be fifty different forms for states (and a few others for territories), but we wouldn't have this long form, short form, whatever form nonsense.

Why. If you have any legal, real state or federal sort of ID (driver, passport), the government already has all the connections it needs for information about you.

If the government wanted to stop you from buying something, traveling somewhere, what ever, they could do that right now, maybe not legally, but they have the ability to do that right now.

So, how would an national ID make things any different?

851 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:52:12pm

re: #837 Occasional Reader

I think the vast majority of speeding tickets amount to little more than a randomly-assessed, arbitrary tax.

I am going to be in the states for a whopping 2 weeks this Christmas season and if I come away without a ticket I'll be shocked. Shocked I tell ya.

852 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:52:14pm

Gotta run, Lizards! Time to engage in my secret training of future Lizards -- that or go play in After-school! Chowders!

853 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:52:46pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

Ive been to the store plenty of times but I don't have the layout memorized. You could see any markings for the parking spaces. I was just parking in an empty spot between cars.

I got a speeding ticket once...sign was laying over in the bushes. Took a picture. Judge asked me, "Ever driven on that road?" FBV, "Yes, Your Honor". "Fine then, pay the fine."

I was asking like I was that mean old judge.

854 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:53:48pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

I just got a $360 parking ticket! It's been snowing here and the handicapped symbol was buried under snow and ice. I told the guy writing the ticket I couldn't see the handicap symbol when I pulled in. He stuck his foot under my car, kicked at the snow and ice to uncover a small patch of blue and said, "I can see it." As I pulled out I got my digital camera and started taking pictures, he noticed and came back and started furiously clearing snow to uncover to symbol. I took pictures of him doing that and asked him if he wants to rip up the ticket or go to court. He said have a nice day and and walked away.
I'm furious!

LOL. Hire yourself a high-powered lawyer - it shouldn't cost you more than 3 or 4 thou to beat the bum rap.

855 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:54:01pm

re: #841 Creeping Eruption

Those kids are going to have the intellect and capabilities of lobotomized hamsters. I'd be surprised if they turn out to be intelligent enough to load a gun let alone plan mass murder.

Well, their namesakes planned mass murder.

856 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:54:20pm

re: #809 oh_dude

Now if you think "GROUP Think" *(GASP!) is going on here, you haven't seen me butting heads with Walter, or the threads on Gay Marriage, or many other things. The place where it might look like group think is going on is where something's already been hashed to death in fifteen previous threads, and someone pulls the dead flayed horse out of the rendering vat. Then everyone does jump in to toss said person into said rendering vat.

857 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:54:56pm

re: #849 buzzsawmonkey

One of the sad ironies of the child welfare system is that children born to crack whores and similar social lights are taken away from their unfit parents--and given to the grandparents who raised the crack whores.

Yhis sickening story is making big headlines here: The Death of 13 month old Christopher Thomas

The sickest and most outrageous part is that he was in a great foster home with people who wanted to adopt him, but CPS pulled him out and give him to the sickening c**t who murdered him. Times like this I long for the death penalty in Wisconsin.

858 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:08pm

re: #761 MoonbatBane

Point of law with a freaking cite to the actual statute.

Etc.

Begone, KOsling.

/are you a lawyer?

859 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:12pm

re: #856 Thanos

Well said homeboy.

860 bosforus  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:18pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Where I'm from it's technically not a handicapped spot unless it's got a posted sign in front of the spot. From my understanding a spot like that can only be enforced if the business owning the parking lot calls the cops. Likewise with parking lot stop signs.

861 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:30pm

re: #839 Dianna

Yes.

But it was a very handsome horse.

I'll take "Catherine the Great quotes" for $500, Alex.

862 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:35pm

re: #843 Alouette

Now that is a handsome little boy. To be honest, he also looks healthier than the other boy. Maybe it was the lighting.

863 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:54pm

re: #851 Oh no...Sand People!

I am going to be in the states for a whopping 2 weeks this Christmas season and if I come away without a ticket I'll be shocked. Shocked I tell ya.

I haven't had a ticket since Oct. of 2000. Prudence and a radar detector. My cars have been fast (Cad STS and M-B CLK55) and I've driven fast . . . but careful.

You can do it!

864 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:55pm

re: #855 Alouette

Well, their namesakes planned mass murder.

Their namesakes would have thrown them in the trash (another irony of that whole "movement")

865 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:55:57pm

re: #847 theheat

There are so much other things about Our Messiah-King that are worthy of attention that just plain gets ignored by the Nirther bullshit regurgitation. Proverbs 26:11 is the operative here.

866 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:56:20pm
867 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:56:32pm

Does anyone agree that a case needs to be made against the others named in the Blagojevick indictment before the charges against the gov. can be pursued?
And, Gov. Bill Richardson of NM has been implemented in a bond fraud indictment. It seems he took money from this derivitive trader to operate in NM. 200k to his re-election PAC.
I've always protested against the very loose rules governing the use of such 'donations'.

868 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:56:55pm

re: #858 Killian Bundy

/are you a lawyer?

I doubt he even stayed at a Holiday Inn. ;)

869 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:57:19pm

re: #839 Dianna

Yes.

But it was a very handsome horse.

Wasn't that the name of Johnny Carson's "firm" long before Click & Click came on the scene?

870 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:57:27pm

Behold Thanos,

Arbiter of all discussion, and truth.

You want to talk a larger policy issue? Out of bounds, declares thanos.

You want to examine evidence? Only from Thanos-approved sources.

For what it is worth, "Oh Dude" I think the shroud may or may not be from biblical times, but I am very well convinced there is nothing miraculous, but instead it is the natural result of putting the cloth on man covered with fragrant oil.

But then I am a presbyterrian, so I don't care much about holy relics. that's more of a catholic thing. To me it would be historically interesting if it was jesus' but there is really no way to know that, and, bluntly, there were so many snake oil salesmen selling relics, you really can't tell the truth from the lies. These relics are, as a practical matter, lost to history.

Of course my buddy John the templar knight from the third crusade who has been surviving on water from the holy grail disagrees, but what does he know? :-)

871 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:57:27pm

re: #867 littleO

Does anyone agree that a case needs to be made against the others named in the Blagojevick indictment before the charges against the gov. can be pursued?
And, Gov. Bill Richardson of NM has been implemented in a bond fraud indictment. It seems he took money from this derivitive trader to operate in NM. 200k to his re-election PAC.
I've always protested against the very loose rules governing the use of such 'donations'.

Is that the John Deere method of prosecution?

872 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:57:50pm

re: #847 theheat

Kind of embarrassing to say, but I know several people who think there's something to this birth certificate thing. They grasp the concept of anchor babies, but not an American citizen who gave birth on American soil. Maybe they don't think Hawaii is part of America?

There isn't enough here to even be an interesting conspiracy theory. I don't get the enthusiasm for it.

The rumor beneath the rumored scandal is a variation of :
OMIGAWD! Didja know that:
1. Obama's a SekreT! Muslim
2. Obama's Frank Marshall's Kid - scandalous!
3. Obama's really Arab/Tunisia/Lithuanian/Bohemian/The Antichrist

Trust me that Obama wants that shit out there so people ignore the real problems.

873 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:58:27pm

re: #866 Iron Fist

As I've pointed out before, it is utterly rediculous that someone can wind up doing more time for possession of an unregistered machinegun than they'd get for rape. Hell, with Federal sentancing guidlines, you might get off more easy if you just killed somebody.

That's absolute bullshit.

It's government by lawyer, so it is infinitely worse than just simple bullshit.

874 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:58:35pm

re: #861 Occasional Reader

I'll take "Catherine the Great quotes" for $500, Alex.

oooh

875 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:58:40pm

re: #856 Thanos

Now if you think "GROUP Think" *(GASP!) is going on here, you haven't seen me butting heads with Walter, or the threads on Gay Marriage, or many other things. The place where it might look like group think is going on is where something's already been hashed to death in fifteen previous threads, and someone pulls the dead flayed horse out of the rendering vat. Then everyone does jump in to toss said person into said rendering vat.

I get tired of these thin-skinned people who can't even take a little heat in a good debate without resorting to cheap shots that do not add to the conversation. Those kind of comments like "group think" are simply designed to deride a thought stream when they can't compete.

Lazy minds.

876 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:59:29pm

re: #789 Occasional Reader
Dewey, cheatem, and howe

walter's parrot (with fortune from fortune cookie) at 6:38

Killgore's violin at 7:21

877 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 1:59:33pm

re: #875 Walter L. Newton

I get tired of these thin-skinned people who can't even take a little heat in a good debate without resorting to cheap shots that do not add to the conversation. Those kind of comments like "group think" are simply designed to deride a thought stream when they can't compete.

Lazy minds.

I talked to my friends and we all agreed not to resort to group think.

878 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:00:00pm

re: #722 TaeJohnDo

We going to start talking about pussy again?

Pussy Wiggle Stomp

Dinah-Moe Humm

/we can call it a musical discussion

879 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:00:22pm

Now regarding the assholes who named their kid "Adolf" why am I not surprised to learn that both parents live on the dole?

880 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:00:42pm

re: #853 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got a speeding ticket once...sign was laying over in the bushes. Took a picture. Judge asked me, "Ever driven on that road?" FBV, "Yes, Your Honor". "Fine then, pay the fine."

I was asking like I was that mean old judge.

I got another ticket when I was driving to a friends house for an all night 'Halo' 4 xbox linkathon... I wasn't exactly sure of the house I was driving to..just had an address and it was dark.

I am going literally 13 miles an hour as I was peering to see what the addresses were on the houses in the dark. A cop teleports out of nowhere with his flashers on. He comes up to the car. Shines ye ol million jigawat flashlight onto my eyes. I have the window down, he then shines it on my chest to ensure my 'seatbelt' was on. Then I see the light shown down by my feet and into the passengers side and then the foot space.
"Uh? Everything alright there officer?"

"Uh..uh..." Scan's light around more, "Uh...where you going?"

-"To a friends house."

"Driving in your pajamas?"
(Sweater and my 'LOVE' pink and black PJ bottoms...heh.)

-"Come again?"

"Oh..well, I need to see your license...you were...uh...you were speeding...this is a school zone street, and you must have seen me cuz you really slowed down toward the end."

-"I never went over 20 miles per hour the whole time..."

"No..well, I have to write you up."

AAAGGGHHH...

881 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:00:48pm

re: #833 Walter L. Newton


A sign shall be posted for each accessible parking space. The sign shall be clearly visible to a person parking in the space, shall be marked with the International Symbol of Access and shall indicate that the spaces are reserved for persons with disabled person parking permits.
...
Parking spaces required by this section shall be maintained so as to meet the requirements of this section at all times and to meet the standards established by the state building code.


Looks like I might have a case.

882 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:01:59pm

re: #879 Alouette

Now regarding the assholes who named their kid "Adolf" why am I not surprised to learn that both parents live on the dole?

great. lots of time on their hands. they can take a cake decorating class and decorate that cake themselves.
lazy bums.

883 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:02:01pm

re: #856 Thanos

Now if you think "GROUP Think" *(GASP!) is going on here, you haven't seen me butting heads with Walter, or the threads on Gay Marriage, or many other things. The place where it might look like group think is going on is where something's already been hashed to death in fifteen previous threads, and someone pulls the dead flayed horse out of the rendering vat. Then everyone does jump in to toss said person into said rendering vat.

You mean they have to read more than just the conspiracy handbook? *GASP* You rational person, you! You are in league with scientists, Darwinists, and other smart people!

884 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:02:03pm

re: #870 A.W.

Oh please do hold forth. Tell us how you are going pursue changing things first however.

885 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:02:05pm
886 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:02:24pm

re: #881 Killgore Trout

Looks like I might have a case.

Was the spot next to the entrance?

If so, you're screwed.

887 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:02:58pm

re: #870 A.W.

Behold Thanos, Arbiter of all discussion, and truth...

No shithead, behold Thanos, a Lizard with a point of view and a flowery writing style, where as you sound like some back ally piece of scum who can't even form a coherent thought.

See, my point is, I can be condesending, but does it really get us anywhere. Aanyone here can play the "let's deride the conversation with slams and dunks," yes like you do above.

How about just discussing the topic, and leave the snide remarks to the neanderthals?

888 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:06pm

re: #863 father_of_10

I haven't had a ticket since Oct. of 2000. Prudence and a radar detector. My cars have been fast (Cad STS and M-B CLK55) and I've driven fast . . . but careful.

You can do it!

Never had a ticket in my whole life...move to a certain county in Utah...and out of nowhere I get 4 in 5 months...it's a racket I tell ya... I haven't had one since and they finally all dropped off my record...

Tickets and street infraction regulators really irk me... a giant pet peeve of mine...

889 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:11pm

Contents of Sharmuta's 2 COLBS

Long form: Child's name, DOB, Time, Sex, Plurality (single, twin, etc), County of birth, Location, Hospital, Father's name, Father's age, Father's birthplace, Mother's name, Mother's age, Mother's place of birth, Residence of mother, County, City, Address of mother, Certification, Date signed, Attendant, Certifier, Mailing address, Registrar, Date filed.

Short form: Name, DOB, Sex, Certificate #, Place of birth, Date filed, Mother's maiden name, Father's name.

Obviously the long form has much more information on it. None of it trumps the vital information contained in the short form, and BOTH would be certified copies of the information contained on the original document. So- in order to believe the short form is insufficient, one must show how the short form information isn't proof enough. Or- I suppose they would have to make the case that the certifier of the short form did not reproduce the information found on the original.

BTW- NEVER have I been asked to produce my long form to my employer to prove my eligibility to work.

890 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:16pm

re: #887 Walter L. Newton

How about just discussing the topic, and leave the snide remarks to the neanderthals?

Why thank you, I do resemble on at times. ;)

891 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:22pm

re: #880 Oh no...Sand People!

I got another ticket when I was driving to a friends house for an all night 'Halo' 4 xbox linkathon... I wasn't exactly sure of the house I was driving to..just had an address and it was dark.

I am going literally 13 miles an hour as I was peering to see what the addresses were on the houses in the dark. A cop teleports out of nowhere with his flashers on. He comes up to the car. Shines ye ol million jigawat flashlight onto my eyes. I have the window down, he then shines it on my chest to ensure my 'seatbelt' was on. Then I see the light shown down by my feet and into the passengers side and then the foot space.
"Uh? Everything alright there officer?"

"Uh..uh..." Scan's light around more, "Uh...where you going?"

-"To a friends house."

"Driving in your pajamas?"
(Sweater and my 'LOVE' pink and black PJ bottoms...heh.)

-"Come again?"

"Oh..well, I need to see your license...you were...uh...you were speeding...this is a school zone street, and you must have seen me cuz you really slowed down toward the end."

-"I never went over 20 miles per hour the whole time..."

"No..well, I have to write you up."

AAAGGGHHH...

Fight EVERY ticket. Always take it to court and make the cop show up to prove you were speeding. There is always a chance the cop might not show up or the judge hates that particular cop, etc. . . Always fight 'em.

892 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:29pm

re: #845 albusteve

the death of common sense...misguided authority

But then there's the state trooper who clocked me at 80 in a 60 zone several years ago (very rural area, 4 lane divided limited access highway). He had me dead to rights, but wrote the ticket for 70 so it would be a simple speeding ticket and not a reckless driving.

893 bosforus  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:33pm

re: #881 Killgore Trout

Looks like I might have a case.

Go for it!
[disclaimer: I am not a lawyer]
I'd maybe email the pics to the police as well and give them one last chance to drop the ticket.

894 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:36pm

re: #887 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter, I kinda Liked that "BEHOLD THANOS!"

It has a nice sounding ring, n'est ce pas?

/// :)

895 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:46pm

re: #881 Killgore Trout

Looks like I might have a case.

Yep. Now that explains why he was panicking. You really may have a case.

896 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:04:50pm

re: #837 Occasional Reader

I think the vast majority of speeding tickets amount to little more than a randomly-assessed, arbitrary tax.

Perhaps. I would like to see a little more enforcement of the speeding laws. I routinely have cars whizzing down this suburb road at 40-50 mph. When a car fishtails going around a minor curve, he sure isn't going 25 mph. We will lose a kid here shortly. The less enforcement performed, because of public pressure, the faster some of these guys go over time. On the state highway, the speed limit is 45. I've seen folks going over 70 and lots of them. The Interstate? Over 90. Neighbor kid got busted for going 150. Yeah, 150 in a Viper. (?)

When Georgia went to a policy of not writing tickets for under ten miles over the speed limit, citizens took it to mean an automatic increase of ten mph on the posted limit.

897 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:05:13pm
898 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:05:29pm

re: #891 father_of_10

My municipality will wholesale knock off cash or points just for showing up to contest it.

899 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:05:49pm

re: #890 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why thank you, I do resemble on at times. ;)

FOGY, I wasn't talking about you, I'm sorry.

900 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:05:56pm

re: #894 Thanos

Hey Walter, I kinda Liked that "BEHOLD THANOS!"

It has a nice sounding ring, n'est ce pas?

/// :)

Getting delusions of being a Messiah-King, eh? That position been fill already. ;)

901 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:06:21pm

re: #879 Alouette

Now regarding the assholes who named their kid "Adolf" why am I not surprised to learn that both parents live on the dole?

In the foyer, Heath Campbell, who said he has German ancestry and a relative who fought for the SS, took off boots he said were worn by a Nazi solider named Daniel.

Something not-quite right about that asshole.

902 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:06:40pm

re: #881 Killgore Trout

Cool! Fight it all the way!

903 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:07:05pm

Ben Hur recommends:

[Link: totallylookslike.com...]

904 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:07:13pm

re: #892 Son of the Black Dog

But then there's the state trooper who clocked me at 80 in a 60 zone several years ago (very rural area, 4 lane divided limited access highway). He had me dead to rights, but wrote the ticket for 70 so it would be a simple speeding ticket and not a reckless driving.

The last time I got pulled over, I was going WAY over the speed limit but was let off. Both times I was dressed up: In a tux (coming from a wedding) and a suit (coming from office party). Go figure.

905 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:07:18pm
906 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:07:35pm

re: #898 Creeping Eruption

My municipality will wholesale knock off cash or points just for showing up to contest it.

Seriously, as you prove, there is NOTHING to lose by fighting the tickets, except your time in court. Since I'm not a brain surgeon, I can find the time to fight the ticket.

907 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:07:39pm

re: #896 Outrider

On the state highway, the speed limit is 45.

And when they post unreasonably low speed limits like that, it just cheapens the currency of the whole system, and encourages people not to take it seriously.

908 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:08:00pm

re: #880 Oh no...Sand People!

I got another ticket when I was driving to a friends house for an all night 'Halo' 4 xbox linkathon... I wasn't exactly sure of the house I was driving to..just had an address and it was dark.

I am going literally 13 miles an hour as I was peering to see what the addresses were on the houses in the dark. A cop teleports out of nowhere with his flashers on. He comes up to the car. Shines ye ol million jigawat flashlight onto my eyes. I have the window down, he then shines it on my chest to ensure my 'seatbelt' was on. Then I see the light shown down by my feet and into the passengers side and then the foot space.
"Uh? Everything alright there officer?"

"Uh..uh..." Scan's light around more, "Uh...where you going?"

-"To a friends house."

"Driving in your pajamas?"
(Sweater and my 'LOVE' pink and black PJ bottoms...heh.)

-"Come again?"

"Oh..well, I need to see your license...you were...uh...you were speeding...this is a school zone street, and you must have seen me cuz you really slowed down toward the end."

-"I never went over 20 miles per hour the whole time..."

"No..well, I have to write you up."

AAAGGGHHH...

Was it during school hours?

909 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:08:04pm

re: #899 Walter L. Newton

FOGY, I wasn't talking about you, I'm sorry.

Walter, I know you were not, but I do tend to be snide with the conspiracy strange attractors since trying to actually debate or discuss with them just wastes a lot of bandwidth. To them I am an evil agent of the conspiracy out to suppress the truth. ;)

910 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:08:34pm

re: #775 FurryOldGuyJeans

You know, I read some of your other posts, and they are generally pretty decent. You really are just closed minded about this topic, though. You know, that's a really good way to learn something, with a closed mind. Just toss out "it's been debunked" without support, heck without even pointing to a single law or fact that is wrong. Nice for the old ego, eh?

I, on the other hand, tossed out a ton of what I thought, got back an interesting post that included an idea I hadn't considered (namely, there never was an original BC), and openned my mind to the new idea. That theory fits all of the facts I posted in #410, doesn't violate any laws in #410, renders some of the laws such as registration of foriegn birth unnecessary, and basically explains the whole mess. Hawaii officials not part of a cover-up -- in other words Obama born in Hawaii? Check. Obama having to spend a ton of money to fight for political reasons? Check. Obama's race as "African" on the COLB? Check. Simple explanation? Check. It fits.

Your snarky comments added nothing to the conversation, though, except maybe an ego point or two for you. Did you prove anything? Nope. Disprove anything? Nope. But hey, if it made you feel better, then congrats...

911 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:09:03pm

re: #905 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody who intentionally courts 60-year-old athlete's foot is not right in the head.

ROFLMAOOO!

912 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:09:08pm

re: #871 father_of_10

Oh sure, fine!

913 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:09:19pm

re: #875 Walter L. Newton

I get tired of these thin-skinned people who can't even take a little heat in a good debate without resorting to cheap shots that do not add to the conversation. Those kind of comments like "group think" are simply designed to deride a thought stream when they can't compete.

Lazy minds.

I would say more desperate than lazy.
The same can be said of the tendency to diagnose one's opponent with a psychiatric disorder - another easy way to avoid the issue.

Now that we got that settled, what's this I hear about a bith certificate?

914 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:09:38pm

re: #886 Ben Hur

Was the spot next to the entrance?

If so, you're screwed.

No, it was in the middle of a row. The parking lot was only about 1/2 full there were plenty of open spaces, many of them closer to the store entrance. Now that I think of it it is kind of a dumb place for a handicap spot.

915 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:09:54pm

re: #901 MandyManners

In the foyer, Heath Campbell, who said he has German ancestry and a relative who fought for the SS, took off boots he said were worn by a Nazi solider named Daniel.

Something not-quite right about that asshole.

Absolutely. Intuition says, any leather that old would not stand up under everyday wear. Methinks the guy is a fantasizing liar.

916 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:10:08pm

re: #910 MoonbatBane

Hey dipshit, I have already done my research a while back and find any of the bullshit you regurgitate to be just foul stomach contents. Nothing you have said is new to me, period.

917 vxbush  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:10:19pm

re: #850 Walter L. Newton

Why. If you have any legal, real state or federal sort of ID (driver, passport), the government already has all the connections it needs for information about you.

If the government wanted to stop you from buying something, traveling somewhere, what ever, they could do that right now, maybe not legally, but they have the ability to do that right now.

So, how would an national ID make things any different?

I hate it for the same reason I hate having a social security number. I hate being "marked" and I hate the idea of the government marking me and thus tracking me as they can do now, as you say. I want to be a hermit part time, and I don't want to be tracked down, or followed, or watched even virtually.

I like the idea of disappearing and even going off the grid.

918 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:10:24pm

re: #912 littleO

Oh sure, fine!

I'll bet you meant implicated!

919 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:10:43pm

re: #910 MoonbatBane

Your #410 was full of garbage.

920 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:11:04pm

re: #917 vxbush

I hate it for the same reason I hate having a social security number. I hate being "marked" and I hate the idea of the government marking me and thus tracking me as they can do now, as you say. I want to be a hermit part time, and I don't want to be tracked down, or followed, or watched even virtually.

I like the idea of disappearing and even going off the grid.

So do I.

921 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:12:18pm

re: #873 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's government by lawyer, so it is infinitely worse than just simple bullshit.

that right there says a bunch

922 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:12:37pm

re: #891 father_of_10

So now I have been pulled over twice in the Philippines...
It's truly a jaw dropper...there are NO RULES to the streets here... I am not kidding... sometimes I have to check my sanity at times to think I really drive around this place.
I am driving and am surrounded by 12 mopeds, weeving and bobbing around me, a bus to the left, and then a car pulls out in front of me. I hit the breaks and turn sharp to the left to avoid tagging the guy.

The poor cops here, no gun, no radio, no car... jumps in front of me, arms outstretched yelling / begging, "STOP!"...I pull over.

"You swerve! You swerve!"

-"You're right. As does every car on every road..." (It was pointless, barely knew English)

I paid him his money he wanted and drove off. At least everyone knows they pull you over here just to be bribed...

923 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:12:40pm

re: #920 MandyManners

So do I.

I tried it. I came to realize there are a few things in life that I missed: Valet Parking for one. Also, I like it when I wiggle the little chrome handle and the poo-poo goes away.

924 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:13:12pm

re: #919 Sharmuta

Your #410 was full of garbage.

Facts to him, old garbage to the rest of us. If the bullshit he is trying to shovel was actually something new I would be willing to investigate, but alas it is dog's vomit yet again.

925 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:13:15pm

re: #902 Sharmuta

Cool! Fight it all the way!

Killgores Rage Against the Machine!

926 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:13:37pm

re: #914 Killgore Trout

No, it was in the middle of a row. The parking lot was only about 1/2 full there were plenty of open spaces, many of them closer to the store entrance. Now that I think of it it is kind of a dumb place for a handicap spot.

Did you at least limp?

Make sure you limp!

927 father_of_10  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:14:48pm

re: #922 Oh no...Sand People!

So now I have been pulled over twice in the Philippines...
It's truly a jaw dropper...there are NO RULES to the streets here... I am not kidding... sometimes I have to check my sanity at times to think I really drive around this place.
I am driving and am surrounded by 12 mopeds, weeving and bobbing around me, a bus to the left, and then a car pulls out in front of me. I hit the breaks and turn sharp to the left to avoid tagging the guy.

The poor cops here, no gun, no radio, no car... jumps in front of me, arms outstretched yelling / begging, "STOP!"...I pull over.

"You swerve! You swerve!"

-"You're right. As does every car on every road..." (It was pointless, barely knew English)

I paid him his money he wanted and drove off. At least everyone knows they pull you over here just to be bribed...

When we lived in Pakistan my ol' man always had a big pistol on his lap. I remember him getting pulled over and the cop came up to the car, saw the pistol and waved him on.

928 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:15:34pm

re: #908 MandyManners

Was it during school hours?

It was 10:30 at night. The Speed limit was 25 when school wasn't in session. It required a whole lot of 'leverage' to be able to even get to do that.

OT: It's such a double standard..for every 12.5 'Girl nights' out...I get about 1.3. Sheesh.

929 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:15:50pm

re: #917 vxbush

I hate it for the same reason I hate having a social security number. I hate being "marked" and I hate the idea of the government marking me and thus tracking me as they can do now, as you say. I want to be a hermit part time, and I don't want to be tracked down, or followed, or watched even virtually.

I like the idea of disappearing and even going off the grid.

We have already been marked with the Number of the Beast sufficiently so as to not be able to buy or sell in the marketplace. Anonymity is an illusion.

930 invictus1  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:15:52pm

re: #910 MoonbatBane

You know, I read some of your other posts, and they are generally pretty decent. You really are just closed minded about this topic, though. You know, that's a really good way to learn something, with a closed mind. Just toss out "it's been debunked" without support, heck without even pointing to a single law or fact that is wrong. Nice for the old ego, eh?

I, on the other hand, tossed out a ton of what I thought, got back an interesting post that included an idea I hadn't considered (namely, there never was an original BC), and openned my mind to the new idea. That theory fits all of the facts I posted in #410, doesn't violate any laws in #410, renders some of the laws such as registration of foriegn birth unnecessary, and basically explains the whole mess. Hawaii officials not part of a cover-up -- in other words Obama born in Hawaii? Check. Obama having to spend a ton of money to fight for political reasons? Check. Obama's race as "African" on the COLB? Check. Simple explanation? Check. It fits.

Your snarky comments added nothing to the conversation, though, except maybe an ego point or two for you. Did you prove anything? Nope. Disprove anything? Nope. But hey, if it made you feel better, then congrats...

What reason does Obama have to disprove these rumors? It's not like the money is that much of an issue for him, probably like 0.00001% of what he's raised. Meanwhile, people like you are discrediting yourselves(and conservatism as a whole) when if you talked about the legitimate concerns about Obama, you might have actually done something worthwhile instead of wasting your time, as you are still doing now even after the campaign.

931 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:16:53pm

re: #910 MoonbatBane

I, on the other hand, tossed out a ton of what I thought, got back an interesting post that included an idea I hadn't considered (namely, there never was an original BC), and openned my mind to the new idea.

Have you ever hear of Occam's Razor?

That little bit of closed-minded stupidity having been voiced, I humbly bow before your overweening pride in your intellectual powers.

932 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:17:28pm

re: #907 Occasional Reader

And when they post unreasonably low speed limits like that, it just cheapens the currency of the whole system, and encourages people not to take it seriously.

I got a undo caution ticket in Charleston one time...everyone was stopped at a light and when it changed I wasnt paying attention and I accelerated quickly to move up then hit my brakes when I realized everyone was only going 15mph in a school zone...basically told the cop to fuck off and didnt pay it...they sent me letters for like three years...

933 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:19:30pm

re: #914 Killgore Trout

No, it was in the middle of a row. The parking lot was only about 1/2 full there were plenty of open spaces, many of them closer to the store entrance. Now that I think of it it is kind of a dumb place for a handicap spot.

Why would you not have parked in the closest available spot - for that alone you should be convicted. And can you prove that you did not cover the sign as you parked or after you parked?
You better get a real good lawyer.//

934 littleO  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:20:01pm

re: #918 father_of_10

Yes. If you read many of my replies you'll find that I can't write, type and think at the same time. But, you can usually devine (divine) what I'm saying.lol
CYA I'm off to watch recycled news on FOX.

935 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:20:32pm

re: #910 MoonbatBane

Talk to the hand.

/because the Supreme Court ain't listening

936 A.W.  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:22:04pm

Walter

What the f--- is your problem? i started out discussing the topic, and then thanos deliberately misrepresented what i said. So i responded, correcting him. now who struck first? Thanos. And you have to back him up because... well, that is a mystery to me. Is this a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of thing? No matter what it is, he is the a--hole in this, and so are you.

I made a perfectly reasonable point and I have not heard you or Thanos actually respond to what I said. i have heard Thanos respond to his hallucinations and lies, and i have seen you offer nothing but insults. I was open to discussion, but not to namecalling and misrepresentations of my position.

How about one of your respond and discuss my actual position instead of being dicks about it? Or how about you just leave me alone? Either one would make me happy.

937 oh_dude  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:24:31pm

re: #820 Walter L. Newton

What about a long time ago when all of the people who were considered the brightest scientific minds of their time supported the idea that the world was flat? I guess they were just kooks too huh?

Science is relative. That's why I put it in quotes.

938 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:25:53pm

re: #936 A.W.

hallucinations

What's the diagnosis, doc?

939 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:27:03pm

re: #937 oh_dude

Science is relative.

Good one, Einstein.

940 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:27:14pm

re: #936 A.W.

Walter

What the f--- is your problem? i started out discussing the topic, and then thanos deliberately misrepresented what i said. So i responded, correcting him. now who struck first? Thanos. And you have to back him up because... well, that is a mystery to me. Is this a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of thing? No matter what it is, he is the a--hole in this, and so are you.

I made a perfectly reasonable point and I have not heard you or Thanos actually respond to what I said. i have heard Thanos respond to his hallucinations and lies, and i have seen you offer nothing but insults. I was open to discussion, but not to namecalling and misrepresentations of my position.

How about one of your respond and discuss my actual position instead of being dicks about it? Or how about you just leave me alone? Either one would make me happy.

Bye.

941 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:27:18pm

re: #909 FurryOldGuyJeans

Walter, I know you were not, but I do tend to be snide with the conspiracy strange attractors since trying to actually debate or discuss with them just wastes a lot of bandwidth. To them I am an evil agent of the conspiracy out to suppress the truth. ;)

Ah, so that's why you didn't bother to debate, post a fact, counter a point of law, etc., just post "it's wrong" or "it's debunked." Real effective, that.

You know, sometimes conspiracy nuts latch onto some actual law and facts. Sometimes sane people even decide to try to look at the law and facts and figure out if there is some kernel of reality in there. And sometimes, there is. Example: The people who thought that the Rosenbergs were communist spies faced much the same attitude as you exhibit: Denial, "that couldn't be true," "you're just a conspiracy nut," etc. Good company you're keeping there.

That said, most conspiracies are cr@p. But when shredding them, isn't it better to properly know and then argue the actual facts and/or law (if such applies)?

BTW, I don't consider you a "evil agent of the conspiracy out to suppress the truth." I consider you to be a sometimes arrogant azz who wouldn't know how to argue his way out of a paper bag, but who usually seems to get some basic stuff right.

942 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:27:21pm

re: #931 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Have you ever hear of Occam's Razor?

That little bit of closed-minded stupidity having been voiced, I humbly bow before your overweening pride in your intellectual powers.

Even if the first birth certificate were fake in the legal sense, as argued by the Nirther strange attractors, by not being an actual and accurate record of one's birth, it would still be the original certificate since it is not a copy of an earlier one.

*GAH* Trying to combat moonbattery just gives me a headache! ;)

943 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:28:15pm

re: #937 oh_dude

What about a long time ago when all of the people who were considered the brightest scientific minds of their time supported the idea that the world was flat? I guess they were just kooks too huh?

Science is relative. That's why I put it in quotes.

Ok, what was some of the "points" that they made that left you wondering about the nature of the shroud?

That should be an easy question since you just watch the show in the last 24 hours.

944 Outrider  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:29:13pm

re: #907 Occasional Reader

And when they post unreasonably low speed limits like that, it just cheapens the currency of the whole system, and encourages people not to take it seriously.

Perhaps you are being thrown by the name "state Highway". It is not unreasonably low. There are many blind exits (stick trucks), businesses and goes through a major Interstate exit with gas stations, restaurants, etc along with the many tourists that really have no clue where they are going. I would argue due to the number of accidents, 45 mph may be a little high for this stretch I drive on.

945 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:29:39pm

re: #941 MoonbatBane

What you keep posting is nothing new nor original. It has been nigh on endlessly debated and discussed here, and debunked sufficiently to not be worthy of mention or merit any more.

But keep on thinking you are the sole possessor of the truth, I shan't stop you.

946 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:29:42pm

re: #941 MoonbatBane

Helllooo?!

I've posted a number of facts. Must be easier for you to ignore me and bicker with others though, huh?

947 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:32:05pm

re: #943 Walter L. Newton

Ok, what was some of the "points" that they made that left you wondering about the nature of the shroud?

That should be an easy question since you just watch the show in the last 24 hours.

I saw alittle of it Walter..Something that because the shroud went through a fire that the effects of the fire would effect the carbon dating...Kind of thin if you ask me...

948 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:32:18pm

re: #946 Sharmuta

Helllooo?!

I've posted a number of facts. Must be easier for you to ignore me and bicker with others though, huh?

I think he likes getting poked by me with my snarky stick more, Sharm. Easier to act aggrieved than to actually debate or discuss.

949 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:32:40pm

re: #931 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Have you ever hear of Occam's Razor?

Yup. That is the simplest explanation -- no original BC on file -- so it fits. I'd never even seen the idea brought up before, though. Should have thought of it, but being called a "conspiracy theory nut" got my dander up. I knew enough about the facts and law to know that a lot of what was being said was 100% pure garbage (on both sides of the debate). Thought I'd come here for some debate/insight. Got some of the former, some of the latter. That's what LGF and these types of board are for, right?

That little bit of closed-minded stupidity having been voiced, I humbly bow before your overweening pride in your intellectual powers.

Nice shot. Guess I deserved that...

950 oh_dude  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:32:45pm

re: #939 Spare O'Lake

HA HA! I just saw a documentary on Einstein. He rocks!

951 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:33:35pm

re: #826 opinionated

I am also arguing that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

A man who can turn back the oceans, will cure what ails us, will make Muslims love us, will end wars, will repair the economy, is faster then a speeding bullet, leaps tall buildings in a single bound, and had no clue as to the corruption in Illinois...must be an alien.

Where did his earth parents hide his spaceship?

He's not an alien - he's just a human who has learned how to bend the rules.

952 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:33:47pm

re: #904 Creeping Eruption

The last time I got pulled over, I was going WAY over the speed limit but was let off. Both times I was dressed up: In a tux (coming from a wedding) and a suit (coming from office party). Go figure.

Heh.

Just last week I'm getting on the freeway and have to speed up. Another car takes my spot so I speed up a little more - now going way over the speed limit. As I'm getting ready to merge I see a CHP on a bike riding my left bumper. I wait. He waits. I'm getting annoyed - either turn on the lights and pull me over or get outta my way! He pulls up next to me, pauses just long enough to give me the stink eye, then zooms off.

No ticket.

953 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:34:46pm

re: #946 Sharmuta

Frankly couldn't keep up with the thread. Will take a look (although I'm now thoroughly convinced that Obama was born in Hawaii, he just can't release his original BC because it doesn't exist or has something politically damaging on it).

954 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:35:02pm

re: #947 HoosierHoops

I saw alittle of it Walter..Something that because the shroud went through a fire that the effects of the fire would effect the carbon dating...Kind of thin if you ask me...

And there is some circumstantial evidence what was carbon-date tested as the shroud may not have actually been the shroud. The evidence from other fields like iconography and pollen analysis, just to name a few, let alone the sloppy protocol used by the laboratories and the guarantors of the testing, raise doubts about the viability for me.

955 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:35:09pm

re: #949 MoonbatBane

You have lost your mind. It would be a crime for the state of Hawaii's officials to certify documents as true to the originals they don't possess.

956 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:36:48pm

It's official: Barack Obama elected 44th president

Presidential electors have formally elected Barack Obama the nation's 44th president.

Electors gathering in state capitols across the country have pushed Obama above the 270 electoral votes needed to win, according to a tally by The Associated Press. Obama takes office Jan. 20, becoming the nation's first black president.

/all nirthers are now hereby required to commit ritual seppuku

957 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:37:17pm

re: #953 MoonbatBane

Or maybe he hasn't released his original because he doesn't have to. The state has certified the released copy as being true to the original document on file.

958 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:37:29pm

re: #955 Sharmuta

Occam's Razor used to prove the least likely scenario given the evidence that is in the public realm. Believable only for a conspiracy strange attractor, I must say.

959 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:37:32pm

re: #946 Sharmuta

Helllooo?!

I've posted a number of facts. Must be easier for you to ignore me and bicker with others though, huh?

Oh Lawdy Sharm ..My BC is a complete mess.. I was born on a farm in the middle of nowhere by an unmarried 17 yr.old. Then I was adopted and there are more revisions on the BC that a bookies Vig sheet.
I've had a few eyebrows raised upon verification..
'You're kidding me right?'

960 Racer X  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:38:14pm

re: #936 A.W.

You got a little spittle running down your lip, right there. *points*

961 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:39:51pm

re: #959 HoosierHoops

Oh Lawdy Sharm ..My BC is a complete mess.. I was born on a farm in the middle of nowhere by an unmarried 17 yr.old. Then I was adopted and there are more revisions on the BC that a bookies Vig sheet.
I've had a few eyebrows raised upon verification..
'You're kidding me right?'

Other than being born in a city hospital and a BC that by state law only shows my adoptive parents info and mine, you sound a lot like me. ;)

962 oh_dude  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:40:25pm

re: #943 Walter L. Newton

First of all, you're not going to back me into a corner as if I'm sort of blind idiot who sees a one documentary and then buys into the idea hook, line and sinker. All I was getting at was that it made me think (isn't that what science is all about?). Do I think the shroud is real? Hell I don't know, but can't I least listen to someone who seems to have a rational argument backed by what seems to be credible research?

Am I allowed to call it interesting or should it all such things be regarded as crap just on their face value?

Why don't you watch the show yourself and make up your own mind. I'm willing to offer you that freedom even though you don't seem to want to offer it to me.
---
Unwrapping the Shroud: New Evidence

Discovery Channel (Dec. 20, 10PM EST)

The Shroud of Turin was believed to be the burial cloth of Jesus. But in 1988, radiocarbon dating concluded it was a medieval hoax. New scientific evidence poses the first substantive challenge-reopening debate about the Shroud's authenticity.

963 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:41:28pm

re: #617 Sharmuta

It's a Hawaii quirk b/c parents could (can?) register foreign born kids in Hawaii -- with birthplace as Hawaii -- if they lived in Hawaii for at least one year. Sufficient as proof of citizenship. Not necessarily sufficient for proof of the one very specialized case of "natural born citizen."

But I give. Guess by even debating/discussing the facts and laws that apply, I must be a delusional conspiracy theory whack job who just wants to feel special and isn't interested in actual debate. (This isn't directed at you, but I give. Got what I wanted here -- a new perspective -- so I'm done.)

964 6pat6  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:42:09pm
“Nirth Certifikit”

That cracks me up every time I see it!

965 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:43:08pm

re: #963 MoonbatBane

What part of "born in Hawaii" makes 0bama NOT a natural born citizen?

966 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:43:12pm

re: #963 MoonbatBane

Once again nothing you have said about the BC is new or original here. Get some new material if you want us to take you serious about the man's origins of birth.

967 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:44:17pm

re: #963 MoonbatBane

It's a Hawaii quirk b/c parents could (can?) register foreign born kids in Hawaii -- with birthplace as Hawaii -- if they lived in Hawaii for at least one year. Sufficient as proof of citizenship. Not necessarily sufficient for proof of the one very specialized case of "natural born citizen."

But I give. Guess by even debating/discussing the facts and laws that apply, I must be a delusional conspiracy theory whack job who just wants to feel special and isn't interested in actual debate. (This isn't directed at you, but I give. Got what I wanted here -- a new perspective -- so I'm done.)

You sure are done..Charles has stated a million times that he is tired off this shit on his blog..It's been done to death here.
Don't be surprised if everyone of your posts are deleted and me for quoting you.

968 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:44:24pm

re: #40 FurryOldGuyJeans

Obama's status is cloudy wrt the dual citizenship. If he did nothing to affirm his Kenyan citizenship, it expired and providing he did not do anything to affirm an Indonesian citizenship, he is eligible to be POTUS. However, his lack of candor has not served him well. This will continue to dog him and if it turns out that he listed a non-US citizenship on his college applications and/or traveled on an Indonesian passport after age 18, he is not a natural born citizen. Given the rate at which we find out stuff, I am sure that these facts will be come know for better or worse at some point. Till then, he is now president-elect.

969 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:45:35pm

re: #965 Sharmuta

What part of "born in Hawaii" makes 0bama NOT a natural born citizen?

Even if he weren't born in Hawaii doesn't automatically discount the man as a natural born US citizen. A very similar issue swirled around McCain as well. Would the Nirther strange attractors be just as rabid about McCain if he had been elected?

970 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:48:03pm

re: #962 oh_dude

Ok, I'm going to make it even easier for you. Do you think the shroud is real, fake or you don't know?

971 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:48:51pm

re: #965 Sharmuta

What part of "born in Hawaii" makes 0bama NOT a natural born citizen?

I ask this MoonbatBane, because you've already conceded the point- that he was born in Hawaii, so please enlighten us as to how this makes him NOT an natural born citizen.

972 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:48:55pm

re: #936 A.W.

Again I call bullshit, everything in your post was camo for your nirfer nugget.

If you think somethings wrong, I'm still asking what are you going to do?

If you have a case, make it in court, if you have a complaint send it to your congress critter.

973 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:48:57pm

re: #957 Sharmuta

No, they didn't. They're not allowed to. It would be a violation of privacy laws if they did:

&sect338-18 Disclosure of records.

(a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is: [exceptions, none of which applied at the time]

They did all they could at the time, namely verify they had records for Obama on hand. If you look at what was actually said -- not what was reported by idiot "journalists" -- that's clear. At least let's get that FACT correct, hmmm?

Oh boy, now I cited another actual statute! Must be a REAL conspiracy nut, eh?

OK, I give for real know. Obama was almost certainly born in Hawaii, there's just a problem with his long form BC so he's willing to fight explaining the problem or showing the BC. It makes the most sense.

974 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:49:26pm

re: #968 Shr_Nfr

Get enough conspiracy strange attractors together and they could also gin up some evidence Obama assassinated Lincoln AND Kennedy.

The issue has been settled legally to a sufficient degree for a majority of people, period. Only the fringe want to beat a dead horse for not being able to pull the cart.

975 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:52:23pm

re: #849 buzzsawmonkey

One of the sad ironies of the child welfare system is that children born to crack whores and similar social lights are taken away from their unfit parents--and given to the grandparents who raised the crack whores.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that's crazy. I also think the goal of family reunification is delusional in most cases. I would make it easier to sever parental rights, especially for very young children, and place the children in a permanent adoptive home.

976 oh_dude  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:52:35pm

re: #970 Walter L. Newton

Why should you care what I think?

After all, I don't give a flying fu** about your opinion...

977 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:54:20pm

re: #973 MoonbatBane

Gee, now you discount simple clerical/governmental fuck-up or accident? Government and Bureaucrats NEVER make mistakes and don't fill out forms fully and correctly? Or never lose documentation, ever?

978 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:55:09pm

re: #973 MoonbatBane

I think you fail to understand the very statute you quote:

except as authorized

That means it is possible- they need authorization from the proper party, otherwise they couldn't verify their records ever for any reason. Get real.

The authorizing party would be 0bama- it's his record. He has the authority to seek a copy of his own COLB, as do you for yours. What the statute does is prevents any person from willy-nilly gaining access to documents they're not privy to without authorization. This is the sort of statute that protects people from identity theft, but in no way prevents the state officials from verifying their own records. Think about it- you're trying to tell me that the state can't verify it's own records ever. That's simply untrue.

979 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:55:22pm

Let's recap, the Supreme Court said [expletive deleted] off twice and the Electoral College just proclaimed that Obama's the 44th President of the United States.

/am I missing something, is there some point remaining as to arguing about Obama's nirthiness?

980 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:56:57pm

re: #974 FurryOldGuyJeans

Guess I shouldn't point out that refusing a stay (standard is "likely to previal") isn't the same as refusing cert on the cases themselves (some included more than just requests for stays)?

Most likely scenario: The SCOTUS will wait until all these cases reach them, join 'em, and refuse cert on the whole lot at once...

981 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 2:59:03pm

re: #977 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, I have ultimate faith in the gov'ts ability to screw things up. Maybe they lost the original BC. Maybe they screwed up on it. Both of those fall under "original BC does not exist or is politically embarrassing."

982 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:01:03pm

re: #978 Sharmuta

I think you fail to understand the very statute you quote:

That means it is possible- they need authorization from the proper party, otherwise they couldn't verify their records ever for any reason. Get real.

The authorizing party would be 0bama- it's his record. He has the authority to seek a copy of his own COLB, as do you for yours. What the statute does is prevents any person from willy-nilly gaining access to documents they're not privy to without authorization. This is the sort of statute that protects people from identity theft, but in no way prevents the state officials from verifying their own records. Think about it- you're trying to tell me that the state can't verify it's own records ever. That's simply untrue.

I noticed right off he highlighted just the passage he needed to "prove" his bullshit while ignoring the part of the statute that sniff-checked what he was trying to shovel. Plus like a good conspiracy strange attractor he quotes voluminously from a state statute while simultaneously editing the statute to hide pertinent and possible debunking information and not providing a link so we are forced to take his word that what he cites is accurate in any form.

983 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:01:08pm

re: #976 oh_dude

Why should you care what I think?

After all, I don't give a flying fu** about your opinion...

Because, you brought it up. Did you just drop in to say what you said and not expect any sort of conversation, pro, con or otherwise?

I know there is enough science to prove it is a late man-made item, not in anyway related to the early 1 century C.E., and you watched a show which had some information that may dispute what I know.

And you bring that up here, and guess what. I'm interested in talking to you about your opinion, and then giving you some of the facts.

Gee, is that ok Corky?

(shit, I feel like I am talking to a 6 year old about eating their spinach)

984 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:02:13pm

re: #980 MoonbatBane

Keep on beating the dead horse, it won't mind.

985 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:02:13pm

re: #982 FurryOldGuyJeans

I noticed right off he highlighted just the passage he needed to "prove" his bullshit while ignoring the part of the statute that sniff-checked what he was trying to shovel. Plus like a good conspiracy strange attractor he quotes voluminously from a state statute while simultaneously editing the statute to hide pertinent and possible debunking information and not providing a link so we are forced to take his word that what he cites is accurate in any form.

I noticed that too.

How about a link to the full statute, Moonbat?

986 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:02:36pm

re: #937 oh_dude

What about a long time ago when all of the people who were considered the brightest scientific minds of their time supported the idea that the world was flat? I guess they were just kooks too huh?

Science is relative. That's why I put it in quotes.

Actually, there never was such a time that I've ever been able to determine. People have known the earth is round for several thousand years, and the only record I have turned up of any group that thought it was flat was an extremely small religious group who based their claim on Old Testament passages a couple of thousand years ago. The idea never seems to have caught on with anyone else. Well before Columbus sailed, everyone in the West was well aware that the earth was round, although there was ongoing debate at the time over it's size. Certainly by the time the scientific age dawned, around 1600, this knowledge was extremely widespread.

I seriously doubt that you will be able to find even a single scientist who has ever held that the earth was flat. Or much of anyone else, for that matter.

987 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:04:05pm

re: #985 Sharmuta

I noticed that too.

How about a link to the full statute, Moonbat?

Wanna bet we get some variant of the "you can just google it" defense? ;)

988 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:06:58pm

I loved this part too:

(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is: [exceptions, none of which applied at the time]

Come on!

989 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:09:23pm

re: #988 Sharmuta

I loved this part too:

Come on!

That is his judicious editing of pertinent and possible conspiracy busting info I was talking about. So now he is the sole arbiter of what is relevant now? ;)

990 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:09:50pm

re: #989 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ah-yep.

991 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:11:21pm

CSICOP on the Shroud in 1998:

Historically, the Shroud of Turin is one of some forty reputed burial cloths of Jesus, although it is the only one to bear the apparent imprints and bloodstains of a crucified man. Religious critics have long noted that the Turin shroud is incompatible with the bible, which describes multiple burial wrappings, including a separate “napkin” that covered Jesus’ face (John 20:5–7).

The Turin cloth first appeared in north-central France in the mid-fourteenth century. At that time the local bishop uncovered an artist who confessed he had “cunningly painted” the image. Subsequently, in 1389, Pope Clement VII officially declared the shroud to be only a painted “representation.”

Years later, this finding was conveniently forgotten by the granddaughter of the original owner. She sold it to the House of Savoy, which later became the Italian monarchy. Eventually the cloth was transferred to Turin. In 1983 Italy’s exiled king died, bequeathing the shroud to the Vatican.

The shroud’s modern history has confirmed the assessment of the skeptical bishop and Pope Clement. Forensic tests of the “blood” — which has remained suspiciously bright red — were consistently negative, and in 1980 renowned microanalyst Walter C. McCrone determined that the image was composed of red ocher and vermilion tempera paint.

Finally in 1988 the cloth was radiocarbon dated by three independent labs using accelerator mass spectrometry. The resulting age span of circa 1260–1390 was given added credibility by correct dates obtained from a variety of control swatches, including Cleopatra’s mummy wrapping.

These findings are mutually supportive. The tempera paint indicates the image is the work of an artist, which in turn is supported by the bishop’s claim that an artist confessed, as well as by the prior lack of historical record. The radiocarbon date is consistent with the time of the reported artist’s confession. And so on.

The approach of impartial scientists has therefore been to let the evidence lead to a conclusion. In contrast, self-styled “sindonologists” (sindon being Greek for “shroud”) typically begin with the desired answer and work backward to the evidence — challenging anything that would seem incompatible with authenticity.

For example, they claim to have discovered microbial contamination on shroud samples that may have altered the radiocarbon dating. Yet for there to be sufficient contamination to raise the date thirteen centuries there would have to be twice as much debris, by weight, as the entire shroud itself! Moreover, the Vatican and the Archbishop of Turin have challenged the sample’s authenticity, and Walter McCrone insists that the fibers shown in photomicrographs of the piece of cloth “did not come from the ‘Shroud’ of Turin.”

For some, belief will always take precedence over historical and scientific evidence. For others, however, the realization that the shroud never held a body should come as no surprise.

992 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:14:00pm
993 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:14:24pm

re: #983 Walter L. Newton

Not to just willy-nilly argue with you about this but I must say I have also researched enough of the subject to throw up some serious doubts about the accuracy of the evidence discounting the first century origin of the shroud and vice versa. The shroud being a religious object for so many can make the debate about ID/Creationism seem like a minor difference of opinion.

Ultimately the shroud neither enhances nor detracts from what I believe, so really is a moot subject for me regarding the authenticity.

994 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:14:34pm

Has anyone noticed the near-exact correlation between nirther-supporter's arguments and the thread earlier today about how Truthers never actually present any evidence for their claims? It gives them much wider latitude to rant and ramble when they're "just raising questions" than they would have if they were required to produce actual proof of their claims.

And that, folks, is the way things actually work in the real world. If you think Obama is NOT a citizen of the US, it is up to you to provide positive proof in support of your claim. It is NOT up to anyone else to "prove you wrong"; this is an old tactic favored by conspiracy theorists everywhere, a demand for a negative proof. It is explicitly disallowed in court - which means you can simply shut it right now if that's all you have.

If you have actual evidence, let's see it. Otherwise, you're just yapping, most likely with the express purpose of drawing attention to your otherwise drab, wretched life.

Or, to put it more succinctly: Put up, or shut up.

995 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:17:17pm

Here's a site with links pro and con on the shroud for those interested

[Link: www.freeinquiry.com...]

996 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:17:58pm

re: #982 FurryOldGuyJeans

God you people are pathetic. The statute doesn't fit into the allowable posting space for a comment, and why clutter up this already over-long thread with it? Here's a link to it, though. Or is "clicky clicky" too hard for you?

Also, if you consider my not cluttering up the board with a statute to be evidence of something -- ANYTHING -- about me, then you're standard of proof is VERY selective.

997 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:18:27pm

re: #995 Thanos

Here's a site with links pro and con on the shroud for those interested

[Link: www.freeinquiry.com...]

OMG! A Link! Radical thinking! ;)

998 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:19:10pm

re: #993 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not to just willy-nilly argue with you about this but I must say I have also researched enough of the subject to throw up some serious doubts about the accuracy of the evidence discounting the first century origin of the shroud and vice versa. The shroud being a religious object for so many can make the debate about ID/Creationism seem like a minor difference of opinion.

Ultimately the shroud neither enhances nor detracts from what I believe, so really is a moot subject for me regarding the authenticity.

Understood. But he posts the subject here, as soon as I want to discuss my opinions, he starts whining like he did.

Tough shit on him.

999 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:21:45pm

re: #996 MoonbatBane

God you people are pathetic. The statute doesn't fit into the allowable posting space for a comment, and why clutter up this already over-long thread with it? Here's a link to it, though. Or is "clicky clicky" too hard for you?

Also, if you consider my not cluttering up the board with a statute to be evidence of something -- ANYTHING -- about me, then you're standard of proof is VERY selective.

That link doesn't do anything to prove your case. If anything, it proves the opposite.

1000 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:22:32pm

re: #991 Thanos

Of course, and this info has been refined and clarified and re-proven for the last 10 years since then.

Oh_dude is another one of those commenters who want to pronounce this and that, but as soon as you want to engage in a healthy debate, they go postal on you and act as if you questioned if their father and mother really birthed them or something.

This has become the state of, or I should say, lack of inquiry in the world. If it's good enough for the Discovery Channel, it's good enough for me." Bullshit.

1001 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:24:36pm

Here's a link that discusses the more recent claims over two threads...

[Link: skepdic.com...]

1002 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:28:02pm

re: #996 MoonbatBane

The link you provide was absolutely not "[exceptions, none of which applied at the time]". They completely apply and validate what I said. 0bama, his wife, his parents, his lawyer, his children- these are all people authorized to allow the state to verify records. You have no grounds on which to use this statute to make your case, and trying to withhold that very pertinent information in the course of this conversation makes you completely disingenuous.

1003 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:31:24pm

Sharm, you are a trooper for jumping into the nirfer hampster wheel the umpteenth time, as you can tell I haven't the patience for their idiocy today.

1004 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:32:51pm

re: #998 Walter L. Newton

Understood. But he posts the subject here, as soon as I want to discuss my opinions, he starts whining like he did.

Tough shit on him.

You won't find me gain-saying any of what you just said, that's for sure. ;)

1005 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:34:15pm

re: #999 gclaghorn

That link doesn't do anything to prove your case. If anything, it proves the opposite.

Why do you think it took so long to get him to actually post the thing? It wasn't because of my nice demeanor and winning personality ;)

1006 stuiec  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:34:39pm

re: #824 Oh no...Sand People!

Chiming in on this one...It was about 12:30 P.M. and I was coming home from a friends house with my wife. A road was closed due to construction and so we turned into a backroad...after driving more than halfway the road then miraculously becomes a one way... I drive the 10 'one way' feet to get to the road that put me back on track.

Apparently this is a great hang out to get a ticket. I did.

Then on the way home from Thanksgiving...2 in the morning from my parents, we, again with my wife, are driving home... My wife says, "Let's go really slow so that no cop can pick us up. I look up...Speed limit 65, I am going 55, then a sign is coming up that the speed drops to 45...I drop to 40...about a mile after the sign I check the rear view and officer friendly is driving at the speed of light to catch up. I was speeding... Hooray for mobile state sponsored cashiers who take my money in return for an increase of 'driving points' on my record!

The opportunity cost of those tickets was at least a rape and drug deal...

Gee, that IS an old-timey speed trap!

The Crooked Road

1007 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:35:57pm

re: #1002 Sharmuta

The link you provide was absolutely not "[exceptions, none of which applied at the time]". They completely apply and validate what I said. 0bama, his wife, his parents, his lawyer, his children- these are all people authorized to allow the state to verify records. You have no grounds on which to use this statute to make your case, and trying to withhold that very pertinent information in the course of this conversation makes you completely disingenuous.

None of them apply when needed for proof with a Nirther strange attractor. ;)

1008 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:37:43pm

re: #996 MoonbatBane

Hey buttlips, I may be pathetic but you are a lying fucking shit bag. That link you finally provided blows up totally the shit you have been trying to shovel on us. No wonder you took so long in actually posting it.

1009 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:38:47pm

re: #1008 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hey buttlips, I may be pathetic but you are a lying fucking shit bag. That link you finally provided blows up totally the shit you have been trying to shovel on us. No wonder you took so long in actually posting it.

"It wasn't because of my nice demeanor and winning personality"

Say, you weren't kidding! ;)

1010 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:38:49pm

re: #1003 Thanos

Sharm, you are a trooper for jumping into the nirfer hampster wheel the umpteenth time, as you can tell I haven't the patience for their idiocy today.

HEY! I've been poking at the troll with my sharp stick too, you know! ;)

1011 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:39:10pm

re: #1003 Thanos

Thanks!

1012 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:39:39pm

re: #1008 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hey buttlips, I may be pathetic but you are a lying fucking shit bag. That link you finally provided blows up totally the shit you have been trying to shovel on us. No wonder you took so long in actually posting it.

He won't be back, not on this subject. You turned the flashlight on and he's a'running.

1013 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:40:01pm

re: #1009 gclaghorn

"It wasn't because of my nice demeanor and winning personality"

Say, you weren't kidding! ;)

Thank you, thank you; no applause, just throw money. ;)

1014 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:44:03pm

re: #1012 Walter L. Newton

He won't be back, not on this subject. You turned the flashlight on and he's a'running.

He did it to himself- he should not have given me that link. Doesn't matter- I would have gone and found it myself, but it blows his argument to shreds.

Worse- it destroyed any credibility he may have worked up previously at LGF. Now he has none.

1015 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:44:35pm

re: #1014 Sharmuta

He did it to himself- he should not have given me that link. Doesn't matter- I would have gone and found it myself, but it blows his argument to shreds.

Worse- it destroyed any credibility he may have worked up previously at LGF. Now he has none.

You got it.

1016 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:44:59pm

re: #985 Sharmuta

I noticed that too.

How about a link to the full statute, Moonbat?

I just realized he needs to drop that third syllable to be a better moniker, don'cha think? (I know that is why you posted the part you did.)

1017 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:47:48pm

re: #1014 Sharmuta

He did it to himself- he should not have given me that link. Doesn't matter- I would have gone and found it myself, but it blows his argument to shreds.

Worse- it destroyed any credibility he may have worked up previously at LGF. Now he has none.

Darn, I hate when that happens.

Oh wait, no, I would be lying. I actually love watching trolls self-destruct. ;)

1018 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:48:05pm

re: #1014 Sharmuta

He did it to himself- he should not have given me that link. Doesn't matter- I would have gone and found it myself, but it blows his argument to shreds.

Worse- it destroyed any credibility he may have worked up previously at LGF. Now he has none.

I suspect that answers another question I had, you got my email I guess. Thanks.

1019 VioletTiger  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:48:44pm

I thought the Nirfer troofers were done already? They're relentless. If they gave out copies of the Nirth Certikifit to every last one of them they still be at it. Maybe they can include a copy with the commemorative plates...

On another note, I have resolved not to make sport of tin foil hats. I met a shrink at a party this weekend who told me he has patients who wear them. Who'd have thunk?

1020 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:48:56pm

re: #1012 Walter L. Newton

He won't be back, not on this subject. You turned the flashlight on and he's a'running.

Better that than shining the fool thing in my eyes and keep getting blinded. ;)

1021 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:50:46pm

re: #1019 VioletTiger

I thought the Nirfer troofers were done already? They're relentless. If they gave out copies of the Nirth Certikifit to every last one of them they still be at it. Maybe they can include a copy with the commemorative plates...

On another note, I have resolved not to make sport of tin foil hats. I met a shrink at a party this weekend who told me he has patients who wear them. Who'd have thunk?

You mean literally?!? Oh wow!

Conspiracy strange attractors are not "done". They just keep circling the bowl no matter how many times you flush.

1022 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:53:53pm

re: #1002 Sharmuta

Gawd, you are an illiterate or disingenuous puke, aren't you? Do you even know what the Hawaii DOH Director actually said? Here it is:

"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes &sect338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," said DOH Director Chiyome Fukino. "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

So, by citing the statute that the FREAKING DIRECTOR OF THE HAWAII DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CITED for only saying that "Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures" -- NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT ITS CONTENTS -- I'm being disingenous? Oh, I didn't cut and paste a statute that any 10 year old could have googled based on the code section. Yeah, that means I was hiding something. And I dared to highlight the part that explained why the Director of DOH couldn't verify contents in lieu of issuing a certification (which you apparently are too illiterate to understand). Wow. Talk about staggeringly ignorant!

Now, a good point would have been to state that the DOH works for a Republican governor (Linge) and so has NO REASON to cover for Obama. That would have made sense. But either way, the DOH -- according to the DOH himself -- couldn't say to the press (which is not in one of the subsection (g) exceptions) either that he confirmed or disaffirmed what was on the issued COLB.

Again, that's according to the DOH HIMSELF. But somehow I'm being disingenous by citing the SAME STATUTE for the SAME REASON.

I conceeded the larger point, but your utter and complete ignorance of the actual facts and law -- combined with your utter arrogance -- really is staggering. Seriously. It's breathtaking. This goes for your buddy FOGY, too.

Oh yeah, here's a link to what the Director of DOH said (before you blather on about how hard it would be to find, how I must have editted it, how it shows how disingenuous I must be, etc., etc.)

1023 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:57:25pm

re: #1022 MoonbatBane

You sir are troll shit; scroll over territory.

1024 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 3:58:49pm

re: #1002 Sharmuta

Gawd, you are an illiterate or disingenuous puke, aren't you? Do you even know what the Hawaii DOH Director actually said? Here it is:

"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes &sect338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," said DOH Director Chiyome Fukino. "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

So, by citing the statute that the FREAKING DIRECTOR OF THE HAWAII DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CITED for only saying that "Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures" -- NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT ITS CONTENTS -- I'm being disingenous? Oh, I didn't cut and paste a statute that any 10 year old could have googled based on the code section. Yeah, that means I was hiding something. And I dared to highlight the part that explained why the Director of DOH couldn't verify contents in lieu of issuing a certification (which you apparently are too illiterate to understand). Wow. Talk about staggeringly ignorant!

Now, a good point would have been to state that the DOH works for a Republican governor (Linge) and so has NO REASON to cover for Obama. That would have made sense. But either way, the DOH -- according to the DOH himself -- couldn't say to the press (which is not in one of the subsection (g) exceptions) either that he confirmed or disaffirmed what was on the issued COLB.

Again, that's according to the DOH HIMSELF. But somehow I'm being disingenous by citing the SAME STATUTE for the SAME REASON.

I conceeded the larger point, but your utter and complete ignorance of the actual facts and law -- combined with your utter arrogance -- really is staggering. Seriously. It's breathtaking. This goes for your buddy FOGY, too.

Oh yeah, here's a link to what the Director of DOH said (before you blather on about how hard it would be to find, how I must have editted it, how it shows how disingenuous I must be, etc., etc.)

1025 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:05:51pm

re: #1022 MoonbatBane

First- I love pissing off trolls of the Nirther variety as well as the creationist and fascist variety. You've made my day.

Second- the statement you quoted completely verifies what I said:

"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes &sect338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," said DOH Director Chiyome Fukino. "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

The Nirthers demanding the COLB have no authority to request the document as they are not the exceptions listed by the statute.

Additionally- the law was followed- the state was given authority to verify the record by 0bama or another authorized person such as his lawyer.

Now- I suspect you've delved into insults because I have frustrated you with facts. That's a pity. I suggest you just deal with reality instead of continuing with wild-eyed conspiracies and rejecting facts.

1026 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:07:25pm

re: #1024 MoonbatBane

Don't know why you're repeating yourself, but again- the statute validates me, not you. You have no leg to stand on in your argument.

1027 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:10:37pm

re: #980 MoonbatBane

Guess I shouldn't point out that refusing a stay (standard is "likely to previal") isn't the same as refusing cert on the cases themselves (some included more than just requests for stays)?

Most likely scenario: The SCOTUS will wait until all these cases reach them, join 'em, and refuse cert on the whole lot at once...

/you don't have a clue what the [expletive deleted] you're babbling on about

1028 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:11:29pm

re: #1012 Walter L. Newton

You're right about one thing: I won't be back. If this is the level that lizards have descended to, this level of utter stupidity, then I'm done here. Seriously, none of you three have countered a single fact. You got your self-congratulatory circle ### on, but you never said anything worthwhile. You claimed to have de-bunked what I said and complained when I failed to provide a link to an easily accessible statute, but you did not provide one single solitary link or supported fact.

You people are truly arrogant and ignorant. A stunning combination. And I see FOGY's reply to my latest shredding of your stupidity had about as much factual info. as all your other replies -- NONE.

The only person who added something useful is the one above (forget who, too hard to scroll with 1,000 plus comments) who pointed out that if the original BC is gone, the COLB is all you've got. That provided a pretty damn good explanation for what's going on here, in fact one that sure seems to fit the facts. The logical conclusion is that Obama is a NATURAL BORN citizen, and we're stuck with him. But I'd rather have just about anyone but your arrogant ignorant azzes on my side in anything. Seriously. Please join the donks -- your style of self-righteous close-minded stupidity would fit right in with any other bunch of libtards who are impervious to facts, counter attempts at real discourse with idiotic parrotings that they don't even really understand, and feel morally superior because you are oh so much smarter and superiorly enlightened with "the truth."

Enjoy your echo-chamber, losers.

1029 VioletTiger  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:12:52pm

Look, if this issue had ANY credibility, some credible entity would have thoroughly investigated. The fact that no news agency has really picked it up, except a mention here or there, is a big hint that the issue is not valid. Considering the implications both in the primary and general election, some opposing candidate would have brought out evidence and exposed the issue. That didn't happen. So rest easy.

Trust me, the real stuff on this guy will be plentiful (Il gov. issue, and we haven't even made it to January). No need to make things up.

1030 fri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:14:47pm

Wow, The Nirthers don't know when to give up.

1031 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:15:36pm

re: #1028 MoonbatBane

my latest shredding of your stupidity

/are you a lumberjack?

1032 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:16:46pm

re: #1028 MoonbatBane

You claimed to have de-bunked what I said and complained when I failed to provide a link to an easily accessible statute, but you did not provide one single solitary link or supported fact.

The burden of proof is on you when you make a claim like that, not us.

In a court of law, we don't have to prove our innocence. You have to prove our guilt.

1033 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:17:03pm

re: #1031 Killian Bundy

/are you a lumberjack?

He's a lumberjack, and he's okay...

1034 VioletTiger  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:18:53pm

re: #1021 FurryOldGuyJeans


Yes. He said one guy wore his because 'they couldn't see him' with it on.

1035 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:19:05pm

re: #1028 MoonbatBane

Bye.

1036 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:19:29pm

re: #1028 MoonbatBane

I believe the problem is you don't know how to comprehend what you've read or you are selectively reading. I have repeatedly pointed out the flaws in your argument by using facts and have not spiraled into ad hominem. You can't handle the facts so you are now in a blather and lashing out. That doesn't make your argument valid- it undermines it. You have no credibility and your arguments have no validity.

1037 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:20:54pm

re: #1024 MoonbatBane

Gawd, you are an illiterate or disingenuous puke, aren't you?

And I believe it's called "projection".

1038 invictus1  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:21:40pm

re: #1028 MoonbatBane

There were millions of people who voted against Obama Nov. 4 and millions more who voted against him in the primaries. Don't you think that ONE of them, if ANY of this was real, would have found conclusive evidence on this issue? The only one acting stupid here is you. I don't think there will be many people here missing you.

1039 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:23:10pm

re: #1025 Sharmuta

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT HE'S VERIFIED THE CONTENTS? "In accordance with state policies and procedures" means there is a BC on file "in accordance with state policies and procedures." THAT'S WHAT HE'S ALLOWED TO SAY UNDER THE STATUTE HE CITED. It does NOT say ANYTHING about the contents, because HE CAN'T VERIFY THE CONTENTS TO THE PRESS UNDER THE LAW THAT HE CITED.

What, are you illiterate? CAN'T YOU READ?!

Outa here. Yes, your utter incapability of understanding even simple concepts has frustrated me. Seriously, how do you manage to get through a day with a head that freaking dense?!?!

PS To all others besides these three, I appologize for the double post above. My computer chokes on 1,000+ comment threads. Reported it to Charles -- please delete. And Charles, I know this is not your favorite topic. Suprised you keep posting articles related to it. That said, I really did want to discuss the actual law and facts. There is a LOT of gross minsinformation out there, a lot of things taken out of context, spun, twisted, etc. Some honest de-bunking would have been appreciated. Saw little of that here. That said, I learned something, saw the issue in a new way. That part was good. The rest was a waste, but that's what I get for trying to discuss an issue with closed minds. Thanks for the good times, doubt I'll ever be back. The lizards aren't what they used to be...

1040 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:24:45pm

re: #1039 MoonbatBane

Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

1041 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:25:47pm

re: #1039 MoonbatBane

I can read- you are the one who cannot.

They verified they have the document. A certified copy was released. A certified copy of a document verified to be in the possession of the state of Hawaii.

What part of this don't you understand? What a certified copy means?

1042 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:26:19pm

re: #949 MoonbatBane

(back in later...)

Yup. That is the simplest explanation -- no original BC on file -- so it fits.

Wow. You didn't get it at all, did you!

You're so focused on your superior powers of deduction, you could take my wry comment about Occam's Razor as affirmation of your point. You're a piece of work!

1043 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:26:29pm

re: #1039 MoonbatBane

Some honest de-bunking would have been appreciated.

Uh- that's what I did.

1044 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:28:13pm

re: #1039 MoonbatBane

I really did want to discuss the actual law and facts. There is a LOT of gross minsinformation out there, a lot of things taken out of context, spun, twisted, etc. Some honest de-bunking would have been appreciated. Saw little of that here. That said, I learned something, saw the issue in a new way. That part was good. The rest was a waste, but that's what I get for trying to discuss an issue with closed minds.

/armchair lawyers, is there anything they don't know?

1045 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:30:45pm

re: #1039 MoonbatBane

Thanks for the good times, doubt I'll ever be back. The lizards aren't what they used to be...

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

1046 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:32:03pm

re: #1041 Sharmuta

I can read- you are the one who cannot.

They verified they have the document. A certified copy was released. A certified copy of a document verified to be in the possession of the state of Hawaii.

What part of this don't you understand? What a certified copy means?

It's not listening, not capable...

1047 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:35:05pm

re: #820 Walter L. Newton

... the shroud is a man made item. In the most, it is a deliberate hoax.

Walter ... back in late, and you probably won't see this ... but that statement is not correct. I've been following it since the first reports of the STURP team's examinations in the late 70's. I've got 8 books on my shelf, and have at least skimmed far more than that.

It can't be proven that the Shroud is, in fact, the burial cloth of Jesus. However, it likewise can't be proven that the image is man-made.

BTW, those who did the 80's radio-carbon dating have since retracted their results. The samples given to them were seriously contaminated.

1048 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:37:45pm

re: #1044 Killian Bundy

/armchair lawyers, is there anything they don't know?

Jail house lawyers know more ;)

1049 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:40:19pm

re: #1039 MoonbatBane

We don't unquestioningly accept the bullshit you were shoveling so we must the be problem, eh?

You leaving certainly won't be a loss.

1050 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:41:10pm

re: #1045 jcm

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

That would cause brain damage. ;)

1051 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:41:13pm

re: #953 MoonbatBane

Frankly couldn't keep up with the thread. Will take a look (although I'm now thoroughly convinced that Obama was born in Hawaii, he just can't release his original BC because it doesn't exist or has something politically damaging on it).

Turns out that his name isn't really Barack.

1052 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:43:31pm

re: #1051 debutaunt

Turns out that his name isn't really Barack.

ROFLMHWAO! ;)

1053 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:46:07pm

re: #1041 Sharmuta

I can read- you are the one who cannot.

They verified they have the document. A certified copy was released. A certified copy of a document verified to be in the possession of the state of Hawaii.

What part of this don't you understand? What a certified copy means?

LA-LA-LA-LA-I'M-NOT-LISTENING-TO-YOU!

1054 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:48:36pm

If Lizards aren't what they used to be, what kind of Lizards does this lightweight like?

Sounded to me like he wanted to the choir master of an echo chamber. Self-absorbed. Almost arrogant, in a low-key manner.

1055 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:49:09pm

re: #1010 FurryOldGuyJeans

HEY! I've been poking at the troll with my sharp stick too, you know! ;)

Yep you have at that, I"ve been at work and only sort of following. sorry :)

1056 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:50:23pm
1057 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:51:35pm

!re: #1039 MoonbatBane

see no bc
hear no bc
speak no bc


"lalalalalalala!
I can't hear you!
lalalalalalala"

The guy got elected.
You are just going to have to deal with it.
Try some chamomile tea and warm milk.

1058 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:52:14pm

re: #1039 MoonbatBane

The last resort of the fallen troll, all caps and spittle flying invective.

You came here to pimp pamela's hysterical pablum, you got punk'ed instead, you can't take it.

In 35 or so days Obama's going to be president, if you think you have something solid the quit with crap here and GO FILE YOUR CASE CRETIN.

See, we can type in all caps too...

1059 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:56:58pm

re: #1056 thor

I do find it odd that supposed Conservatives are railing against others trying to hold Obama's feet to the fire.

And just because someone is criticizing Obama, "holding his feet to the fire", we should mindlessly go along -- even when we believe the criticism is off-base and counter-productive, even harmful to the Conservative cause.

I grew up in the John Birch Society's heyday. I saw what it became. I want no part of that.

1060 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:58:00pm

re: #1059 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Stinky's bat is faster than my bite!

1061 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 4:58:50pm

I suspect it was the part where he was trying to say what Charles should be posting about.

1062 bogeybob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:01:11pm

Has any Oahu hospital confirmed that BHO was born at it's facility? It would seem that a simple statement confirming young Obama's birth would end all of this.

1063 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:01:58pm

re: #1059 pre-Boomer Marine brat

PIMF -- there should have been a question mark at the end of that first, paragraph-long, sentence. It was meant sarcastically.

1064 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:02:35pm

re: #1062 bogeybob

Has any Oahu hospital confirmed that BHO was born at it's facility? It would seem that a simple statement confirming young Obama's birth would end all of this.

Who cares?
You?

1065 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:05:35pm

re: #1062 bogeybob

It is ended, some will just never get that, they have trouble with reality. Just like 9/11 troofers, Fortean freaks, and the rest of the idiotarians out there. It's over unless you personally think you have something, and hey buddy if you do == go file a case, or maybe you could get a guest spot on Alex Jones...

1066 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:06:02pm

re: #1062 bogeybob

Has any Oahu hospital confirmed that BHO was born at it's facility? It would seem that a simple statement confirming young Obama's birth would end all of this.

I should apologize for my #1064. I wasn't in a pleasant state of mind from the last one here.

It's not the hospitals' job to keep track of births which happened decades ago.

1067 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:08:11pm

re: #1062 bogeybob

Excuse me- the hospital did make a statement. In 1961. A certified copy of the hospital's statement was released and the state of Hawaii verified the hospital's original statement to be in their possession.

1068 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:09:05pm

re: #1066 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's not the hospitals' job to keep track of births which happened decades ago.

It's their job to make note of it at the time it occurred. They did that- it's called a COLB.

1069 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:12:51pm

re: #1065 Thanos

Heh. Are we like the hall monitor in the Funky Winkerbean cartoon strip? Sitting there with a machine gun bolted to the classroom-type desk?

Also ... yesterday you posted a comment about certain hill tribe/s in the Pashtun highlands looking Caucasian, and made ref to a Pak politician. I went digging through my notes and came up with the Wiki link to the Kalash, then posted it "as a reply to you". I realized later, AW SHIT, forgot to add that the link was for others who might want more data. IIRC, you were the one who put me onto them in the first place.

1070 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:15:04pm

re: #1062 bogeybob

Has any Oahu hospital confirmed that BHO was born at it's facility? It would seem that a simple statement confirming young Obama's birth would end all of this.

Does it matter? Hate to break the news to you, but Obama was officially elected the 44th President of the United States today.

/wouldn't matter if he was born a space alien on Europa at this point

1071 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:16:25pm

re: #1068 Sharmuta

It's their job to make note of it at the time it occurred. They did that- it's called a COLB.

Not quite. The hospital creates the record. That record is then kept on file elsewhere -- usually the local County.

15 years ago, wanting to get a certified copy of my birth certificate, I called the hospital in San Diego where I was born. They referred me to SD County. Said they did NOT have the BC on file at the hospital.

1072 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:18:01pm

re: #1071 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Uh ... Sharm ... re-reading all that, I think I might have misunderstood your comment.

Duh!

1073 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:19:22pm

re: #1071 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not quite. The hospital creates the record. That record is then kept on file elsewhere -- usually the local County.

15 years ago, wanting to get a certified copy of my birth certificate, I called the hospital in San Diego where I was born. They referred me to SD County. Said they did NOT have the BC on file at the hospital.

That was my point, Hon. They make note of it when the birth happens by creating the COLB, then send it to the government authority on the matter- usually the county.

I'm sorry, I'm just getting cranky. Not directed at you, of course. It's these Nirthers, but I should not have been lippy with you since we're on the same side. My apologies.

1074 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:21:00pm

re: #1073 Sharmuta

Heh. ... see mine just before. I mis-read yours.

My fault.

1075 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:21:05pm

I'm torn between blocking 'MoonbatBane' for the ridiculous, over the top hystrionics, and letting it stay on -- because that was a classic progressive meltdown, in well-defined stages. Quite amusing for the connoisseur of kookery, and instructive in recognizing the way of the troll.

1076 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:22:23pm

re: #1069 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Later that same night I posted the link for the genetics research on the Peruvian mummies, but I couldn't remember who it was for so don't feel bad. :) It's probably one thread before the overnight thread or so.

1077 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:23:29pm

re: #1073 Sharmuta

YOU WERE LIPPY WITH ME!
%@$#%^!$@#$!@% !
*snarlbitchfume*!

*grin*
I'm outta here. Brain's going dead.
Good night {Sharm} ... MWAH!

1078 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:25:06pm

re: #1075 Charles

I'm torn between blocking 'MoonbatBane' for the ridiculous, over the top hystrionics, and letting it stay on -- because that was a classic progressive meltdown, in well-defined stages. Quite amusing for the connoisseur of kookery, and instructive in recognizing the way of the troll.

Oooo!
Classy analysis.
Could we have a series of casebook studies?
Perhaps linked along with Nekama's Troll Hammer?
/kidding

1079 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:26:58pm

re: #1076 Thanos

Later that same night I posted the link for the genetics research on the Peruvian mummies, but I couldn't remember who it was for so don't feel bad. :) It's probably one thread before the overnight thread or so.

Peruvian mummies.
HMMM.
I don't think I saw that.
If I do a search for "Peruvian mummies", will I find the comment with the link in it?

1080 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:27:59pm

I do feel bad that I didn't draw the pair out a bit more to determine if they were in the "Barack's a sekret muslim" or "Barack's Frank Marshall's love Child" camp.

1081 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:28:47pm

re: #1079 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Peruvian mummies.
HMMM.
I don't think I saw that.
If I do a search for "Peruvian mummies", will I find the comment with the link in it?

Lemme see if I can find it again.. chachupoya? Hope that's the spelling...

1082 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:29:48pm

re: #1075 Charles

I'm torn between blocking 'MoonbatBane' for the ridiculous, over the top hystrionics, and letting it stay on -- because that was a classic progressive meltdown, in well-defined stages. Quite amusing for the connoisseur of kookery, and instructive in recognizing the way of the troll.

Hey, it came up with a classic:

my latest shredding of your stupidity

/rotating title nomination?

1083 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:30:09pm

re: #1081 Thanos

Thanks for going to look for it. I'll hang out here. That sounds very interesting.

1084 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:31:00pm

re: #1073 Sharmuta

That was my point, Hon. They make note of it when the birth happens by creating the COLB, then send it to the government authority on the matter- usually the county.

I'm sorry, I'm just getting cranky. Not directed at you, of course. It's these Nirthers, but I should not have been lippy with you since we're on the same side. My apologies.

Sharm, you certainly handle the moonbats better than I do. I just go all snarky on their skanky asses. ;)

1085 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:33:01pm

re: #1084 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sharm, you certainly handle the moonbats better than I do. I just go all snarky on their skanky asses. ;)

I get awfully damned patronizing, awfully damned fast.

1086 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:33:31pm
1087 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:33:57pm

re: #1086 Thanos

Peruvian Mummies

Thanks!
(-:

1088 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:34:37pm

re: #1075 Charles

I'm torn between blocking 'MoonbatBane' for the ridiculous, over the top hystrionics, and letting it stay on -- because that was a classic progressive meltdown, in well-defined stages. Quite amusing for the connoisseur of kookery, and instructive in recognizing the way of the troll.

Well, if you were to ask me (I know you didn't) I would say leave it as a text-book meltdown. Just my 2 cents, really.

1089 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:34:56pm

I can't find the .pdf link anymore, just the abstract. There's a petition from Ethiopia going on against the guy and it's buried the links. He's the same person who did the studies on the Iceman from the alps btw.

1090 bogeybob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:35:08pm

I'd like to know where Obama was born. I was hoping someone on this board would know. Wondering why Obama doesn't just release the place of his birth. Seems as though it would put an end to the speculation, once and for all.

1091 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:35:20pm

re: #1085 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I get awfully damned patronizing, awfully damned fast.

I just get all out Sailor. ;)

1092 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:36:22pm

re: #1090 bogeybob

I'd like to know where Obama was born. I was hoping someone on this board would know. Wondering why Obama doesn't just release the place of his birth. Seems as though it would put an end to the speculation, once and for all.

Hawaii already released the pertinent info. Anything else is internet farts.

1093 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:37:30pm

re: #1089 Thanos

I can't find the .pdf link anymore, just the abstract. There's a petition from Ethiopia going on against the guy and it's buried the links. He's the same person who did the studies on the Iceman from the alps btw.

Thanks for that info. Remember the Iceman. I can dig up the pdf.

I've gotta get outta here. Phew. Took me four passes to type "pdf" correctly.

Good night!

1094 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:38:15pm

re: #1090 bogeybob

I'd like to know where Obama was born. I was hoping someone on this board would know.

Hawaii.

/next question

1095 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:38:16pm

re: #1090 bogeybob

So Bob, are you a "born in Kenya" kookspiricist, or a "born in Indonesia" kookspiricist?

1096 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:38:30pm

re: #1090 bogeybob

I'd like to know where Obama was born. I was hoping someone on this board would know. Wondering why Obama doesn't just release the place of his birth. Seems as though it would put an end to the speculation, once and for all.

You forgot your sarc tag.

1097 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:41:14pm

re: #1090 bogeybob

I'd like to know where Obama was born. I was hoping someone on this board would know. Wondering why Obama doesn't just release the place of his birth. Seems as though it would put an end to the speculation, once and for all.

The Certificate of Live Birth was produced- certified by the state and additionally, the state verified it's in the possession of the original. He was born in Hawaii- his certified, verified COLB says so.

1098 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:43:51pm

re: #1058 Thanos

After calming down from dealing with your, FOGY's and Marty's utter ignorance and denseness, I've decided you are right after all.

My point -- neither nirther nor anti-nirther -- was that DOH Director Chiyome Fukino was restricted in what he could say based on the statute he cited, namely Hawai'i Revised Statutes sec 338-18. You called me a troll, conspiracy theory nut, disingenuous, etc., for arguing that point. Ok, you win. DOH Director Chiyome Fukino could have said anything he wanted about the contents of Obama's birth certificate. The law that he cited -- and that you morons slammed me for citing -- did not restrict him.

What he said was:

"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes &sect338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," said DOH Director Chiyome Fukino. "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Hmm, he didn't say "Obama's birth certificate shows he was born in Hawaii." In fact, he made no comment as to the contents of the birth certificate at all. He just said the birth certificate was "on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." As you proved, he was allowed to comment on the contents of the birth certificate under the relevant statute, so there must be another reason. The only choice are (1) he wanted to be ambiguous and use legalese because he likes the mess, or (2) he didn't want to lie about the birth certificate because it said something bad about Obama, like he was born in Kenya.

Congratulations, morons, you've successfully argued the nirther point of view, namely that Fukino was hiding behind an inapplicable statute in order to keep from having to expose Obama. Well done.

Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii. It's the only answer that makes sense. My point is that you arrogant pukes just knee-jerked to take the opposite position of someone who actually wanted to discuss the issue without even understanding what you were arguing. Well done, idiots. Seriously, please join the donks. With that level of reasoning and arguing ability, you will help us more by being on their side than ours...

1099 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:44:12pm

re: #1090 bogeybob

Seems as though it would put an end to the speculation

The only speculation going on is being driven by people with axes to grind. There is no longer any valid reason for rational speculation.

1100 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:44:51pm

That reminds me of the ending of "Pet Cemetery."

1101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:46:08pm

Whack him, Stinky!

1102 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:46:39pm

The Farce is strong with this one...;~)

1103 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:47:02pm

re: #1098 MoonbatBane

What part of the state of HI certified him as eligible do you not get? State officials did it twice, once when asked, and the second time when they put Obama's name on their state ballots.

1104 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:47:14pm
"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes &sect338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," said DOH Director Chiyome Fukino

That means people like Berg do not have the authority to request the COLB.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

This means that a person with the authority to grant the state officials the right to examine the COLB did so, and that they did examine the record in question and verified the state of Hawaii is in possession of it.

1105 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:47:17pm

re: #1100 Charles

Never saw that.
Now I won't "report" my #1101

1106 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:47:25pm

re: #1075 Charles

I'm torn between blocking 'MoonbatBane' for the ridiculous, over the top hystrionics, and letting it stay on -- because that was a classic progressive meltdown, in well-defined stages. Quite amusing for the connoisseur of kookery, and instructive in recognizing the way of the troll.

Ding me if you want -- it's your house. I just got so frustrated. They didn't even understand what they were arguing -- see the post I just made. They just knee-jerked to the opposite side, complete with numerous ad hominem attacks and self-congratulatory comments. It was very frustrating, and I lost it. Sorry. Been here a while, never had to deal with that before, and hope to never again. Also hope to never let myself get sucked into that kind of idiocy again.

PS Ain't no troll, as you should know. Been here forever.

1107 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:48:23pm

re: #1102 Salamantis

The Farce is strong with this one...;~)

"Live long and fester"

/

1108 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:48:39pm

re: #1106 MoonbatBane

It's you who doesn't know what it is you're talking about. Every subsequent post you make on this subject only reinforces that.

1109 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:50:52pm

So Moonbatbane, what do you think he's hiding? Do you think he's a sekret muslim or what? C'mon tell us what you think, that's what this is all about right?

1110 bogeybob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:52:19pm

Actually, I am a political columnist. I'm writing a column on the issue. I haven't been able to locate the hospital name and was hoping the info might be available here.

1111 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:53:18pm

re: #1078 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oooo!
Classy analysis.
Could we have a series of casebook studies?
Perhaps linked along with Nekama's Troll Hammer?
/kidding

Can we make it a coffee table book? The LGF Troll Bestiary - something like that?

1112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:53:59pm

re: #1106 MoonbatBane

Hey buttlips, you don't know what you fart, pure and simple.

You calling ME dense has to be the richest irony of the whole thing, thank you.

1113 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:54:31pm

re: #1110 bogeybob

What's your byline, what paper then?

1114 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:55:30pm

re: #1109 Thanos

So Moonbatbane, what do you think he's hiding? Do you think he's a sekret muslim or what? C'mon tell us what you think, that's what this is all about right?

He's of two minds on the subject, and they disagree:

"The only choice are (1) he wanted to be ambiguous and use legalese because he likes the mess, or (2) he didn't want to lie about the birth certificate because it said something bad about Obama, like he was born in Kenya."

"Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii. It's the only answer that makes sense."

And BOTH of these statements, amazingly enough, were taken from the very same post by him, post #1098!

Sheesh!

1115 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:55:31pm

re: #1110 bogeybob

So- you were hoping we'd do your research for you? And to what end? The hospital would likely point you to the office of vital statistics where you would not have the authority to request the COLB.

1116 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:55:36pm

re: #1111 Jimmah

Can we make it a coffee table book? The LGF Troll Bestiary - something like that?

If I had it on my coffee table, I'd want it to come with a stake driven through it, cover-to-cover.

1117 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:56:55pm

re: #1103 Thanos

What part of the state of HI certified him as eligible do you not get? State officials did it twice, once when asked, and the second time when they put Obama's name on their state ballots.

Arguing facts with Nirther strange attractors just don't work, you know. ;)

1118 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:57:19pm

re: #1100 Charles

That reminds me of the ending of "Pet Cemetery."

I was thinking the end of 'Carrie'.

1119 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:58:07pm

re: #1114 Salamantis

He's of two minds on the subject, and they disagree:

"The only choice are (1) he wanted to be ambiguous and use legalese because he likes the mess, or (2) he didn't want to lie about the birth certificate because it said something bad about Obama, like he was born in Kenya."

"Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii. It's the only answer that makes sense."

And BOTH of these statements, amazingly enough, were taken from the very same post by him, post #1098!

Sheesh!

Consistency is the troll of small/absent minds, you know ;)

1120 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:59:02pm

re: #1110 bogeybob

Actually, I am a political columnist. I'm writing a column on the issue. I haven't been able to locate the hospital name and was hoping the info might be available here.

Is it mentioned in his autobiography?

Have you located the part of town his mother lived in? What's the nearest hospital?

Have you looked through the Star-Bulletin and Advertiser web sites?

If I was doing research, as a professional, I wouldn't be hopping out on a web site and taking the first opinion which someone tossed my way.

1121 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:01:31pm

re: #1114 Salamantis

Textbook cognitive dissonance.

1122 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:55pm

Come on Bob, you said you are a writer, what paper, what byline?

1123 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:04:15pm

Barack Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI, on August 4th, 1961:

[Link: dgmweb.net...]

1124 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:04:46pm

re: #1109 Thanos

I don't think he's hiding anything that matters. The whole blow-up was because I took a clearly supported interpretation of the law -- the one the Director of the DOH has taken (which actually blocks one of the nirther arguments) -- and got slammed for it. Maybe not in a good frame of mind for these types of debates right now. Whatever.

I do think that his original BC is in some way messed up, otherwise he'd have just paid the $10 to $15 to have the long form produced and be done with it. Maybe his mom messed up. Maybe the hospital did. Maybe it got lost. Maybe it was never properly filed. Maybe he had a more "muslim" sounding name and doesn't want that to get out because of the political heat. Yeah, maybe his parents listed his religion as muslim (as if that matters). Again, whatever.

End result: Born in Hawaii, the cases are going nowhere, but a lot of people just have their facts and law wrong. Again, I guess that doesn't matter, it's just frustrating to see people sucked into MSM distortions. Shouldn't have let it get to me, but I did. My bad, appologies all around. Time to move on...

1125 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:05:24pm

re: #1123 Salamantis

Barack Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI, on August 4th, 1961:

[Link: dgmweb.net...]

Wonder if you'll get an assist.

1126 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:06:07pm

re: #1123 Salamantis

Given the part of town his grandparents lived in, I would have guessed Kapiolani.

1127 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:06:44pm

re: #1098 MoonbatBane

After calming down from dealing with your, FOGY's and Marty's utter ignorance and denseness, I've decided you are right after all.

/wow, that's quite a self-endorsement

1128 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:07:52pm

re: #1124 MoonbatBane

Well then don't you have better things to spend yours and our time on then? What about Blago? Those pirates? Mumbai? Iran? His new choices as advisors? Richardson? Putin's latest move? How about that article today that says Obama had no contact with Blago? You think any of those might be more worthy of time?

1129 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:09:50pm

re: #1114 Salamantis

He's of two minds on the subject, and they disagree:

No, I'm not. This one is the nirther point of view, given that the Director is not restricted by what the statute says:

"The only choice are (1) he wanted to be ambiguous and use legalese because he likes the mess, or (2) he didn't want to lie about the birth certificate because it said something bad about Obama, like he was born in Kenya."

I was taking the argument that the Director could say what he wanted -- that the statute did not restrict him -- to its conclusion.

The next one is what I really think (which is in fact supported by the interpretation of the statute for which I got slammed, which in turn started my meltdown):

"Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii. It's the only answer that makes sense."

OK, some here don't want to understand what I'm saying, and I don't want to get Stinky mad again, so I'm going to watch my Browns get crushed by Philly. Sigh, not a good day.

1130 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:12:49pm

Bob the political columnist, why do you have me wondering if you write for vdare?

1131 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:13:47pm

re: #1124 MoonbatBane

I do think that his original BC is in some way messed up, otherwise he'd have just paid the $10 to $15 to have the long form produced and be done with it. Maybe his mom messed up. Maybe the hospital did. Maybe it got lost. Maybe it was never properly filed. Maybe he had a more "muslim" sounding name and doesn't want that to get out because of the political heat. Yeah, maybe his parents listed his religion as muslim (as if that matters). Again, whatever.

Amazing.

He doesn't need to produce the long form. The short form certifies the information contained on it mirrors the original. Short forms are completely acceptable to prove citizenship.

The state did not lose his COLB- they verified they have it on record.

The state certified the COLB that was released- all information on it mirrors the original so a "a more "muslim" sounding name" is not the issue. The certified, released COLB is a CERTIFIED COPY of the original information.

You really do nothing but make yourself look ridiculous with these theories.

1132 bogeybob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:13:49pm

No, I'm not willing to divulge my name and pub but thank you for your interest.

I've been writing for many, many years.

The story line of this column is the "hospital angle" that no one seems to be able to pin down with any documentation. The President-Elect is vague on it. His family has changed their story and identified two hospitals.

I'm not able to get to Hawaii for research on a weekly column. This site has attracted very capable people and I thought I'd see what I could come up with for factual data.

1133 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:15:34pm

re: #1132 bogeybob

Sure. Any competent writer would have come up with Sal's link in minutes. You aren't fooling us here Bob

1134 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:15:46pm

re: #1129 MoonbatBane

OK, some here don't want to understand what I'm saying.

It's not that we don't want to understand what you're saying.

/we just don't speak non sequter gibberish and Google won't translate it

1135 MoonbatBane  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:17:56pm

re: #1125 Sharmuta

You'll get some nirther arguing that this place did not exist when Obama was born. It was founded in 1909 as "Kauikeolani Children's Hospital," so ref. that name, too.

And that ends that.

PS Again, appologies all around. Mea culpa.

1136 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:19:14pm

re: #1124 MoonbatBane

Time to move on...

Granted, and I should/will say this:

The Nirth Cert might well contain something embarrassing. However, there are far more serious issues to deal with regarding BHO.

The Mirth Cert is a blinking distraction. It's bird poop. The obsession which many are having over it is damaging to the task at hand.

1137 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:21:08pm

I've GOT to get out of here for the rest of the evening. Good night all.

1138 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:21:54pm

re: #1135 MoonbatBane

Of course some Nirther will argue that point. Heck- they're willing to argue all sorts of things like: the short form isn't enough, or the state lost his COLB, or it contains information 0bama doesn't want released, or that Fukino was hiding behind an inapplicable statute in order to keep from having to expose Obama.

1139 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:25:45pm

re: #1133 Thanos

Sure. Any competent writer would have come up with Sal's link in minutes. You aren't fooling us here Bob

Yeah, but I found it in seconds!

/My Google-Fu be strong...;~)

1140 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:40pm

re: #1139 Salamantis

Yeah, but I found it in seconds!

/My Google-Fu be strong...;~)

Yes and you don't even have Lexis-Nexus like real political writers do.

1141 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:46pm

re: #1129 MoonbatBane

OK, some here don't want to understand what I'm saying, and I don't want to get Stinky mad again, so I'm going to watch my Browns get crushed by Philly. Sigh, not a good day.

We understood all too well what you were saying and found it lacking in consistency and credibility, worthy only of a snort or two of contempt.

You got classified a troll by Lizardo Numero Uno himself, nothing you can do to hide from that..

1142 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:29pm

re: #1138 Sharmuta

Of course some Nirther will argue that point. Heck- they're willing to argue all sorts of things like: the short form isn't enough, or the state lost his COLB, or it contains information 0bama doesn't want released, or that Fukino was hiding behind an inapplicable statute in order to keep from having to expose Obama.

Conspiracy strange attractors will argue anything they think they can get away with to hide their total lack of familiarity with facts and reality.

1143 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:43:05pm

re: #1110 bogeybob

Actually, I am a political columnist. I'm writing a column on the issue. I haven't been able to locate the hospital name and was hoping the info might be available here.

Oh, for Pete's sake. That's enough of this one.

1144 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:48:44pm

re: #1129 MoonbatBane

Are your eyes naturally brown, or what?

1145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:52pm

re: #1143 Charles

Oh, for Pete's sake. That's enough of this one.

Awww, bu-bye bob! *waves*

1146 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:11:17pm
1147 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:07:13pm
1148 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:23:14pm

re: #1147 once and future angeleno

Are you just going to post insults or are you able to refute anything I've said, or anything that anyone else has stated as fact?

1149 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:30:04pm

He won't be posting any more insults or conspiracy theories at LGF.

1150 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:31:25pm

re: #1149 Charles

Thanks. Busy day for the stick.

1151 A.W.  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 6:17:33am

Thanos

Sorry, I am calling bullshit back. You clearly didn't read what i said the first time, and now you are just saying what you are saying to try to cover for the fact that you had egg on your face.

And really are you upset that i mention policy issues on the net? Sheesh, what planet are you from?

1152 Buck  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 6:22:34am

re: #70 Thanos

Is it the keyway frozen or the door itself?

If its the first use a glove and pair of pliars, heat the key and insert (don't do this if your key has electronics wrapped in plastic at the grip end however, use method 2)
If it's the latter or you can't heat your car key, use a hair blow dryer. DO NOT GET THE DRYER TO CLOSE or hold in one area too long, you do not want to damage paint, just warm the door.

Inject, or squirt rubbing alcohol into the lock. If you can't get it in the lock, put it on the key... put the key in the lock. repeat.

1153 drexpert  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 5:16:56pm

If Obama is a natural citizen then why is he so afraid of disclosing his birth documentation?

He is afraid because he does not qualify to be elected.

Seems like a lot of Democratic trolls visiting this site.

Honesty demands disclosure.

1154 dave aaa  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 5:55:47pm

re: #1153 drexpert

If Obama is a natural citizen then why is he so afraid of disclosing his birth documentation?

But he has. It shows his true place and date of birth as well as his parents names. There's nothing more on the long form that would be of any real interest, not even religion.


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