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X-Raying an Archaeopteryx

Science | Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:57:08 pm PST

Scientists at Stanford are doing some interesting research into the evolution of birds, using the latest X-ray technology and an archaeopteryx fossil originally discovered in Germany: Stanford scientists scan birdlike dinosaur for evolution clues.

Stanford scientists are using powerful X-ray beams on a rare feathered dinosaur that perished more than 150 million years ago in an effort to see its inner tissues and perhaps someday understand the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths.

At SLAC’s Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lightsource in Menlo Park, the scientists are using the beams to scan one of the world’s most valuable fossils, delicately transported by pickup truck from its home in a Wyoming dinosaur museum.

The X-rays, generated by a particle accelerator, cause tiny amounts of a dozen chemicals to glow without harming the ancient fossil, believed to be the earliest representation of a bird.

Scientists hope the chemicals will correlate with organs, blood vessels and other interior parts of the creature, called archaeopteryx, or “ancient wing,” which has both reptilian and avian features. When compared with scans of other fossils, such anatomical information could help explain evolutionary changes.

“What we are hoping is that we will learn more information than just what you can see with your eyes,” said Uwe Bergmann, staff scientist at SSRL. “The body decays, but the chemical elements — silicon, calcium, potassium, iron, all the chemicals which make up living animals — some of them will be preserved.”

What is visible in stone is just a faint imprint of a physical feature, such as a feather, he said. But tissues have unique chemical characteristics that aid in their identification. For instance, calcium would suggest a bone; iron might mean blood. By measuring the distribution of these chemicals in a fossil, it may be possible to re-create anatomy — and hence, evolution.

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1 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:57:53pm

Cue the whiny moonbats...

2 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:59:17pm

I hope they got the appropriate consent forms signed, and complied with HIPA.

//

3 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:59:25pm

But there are no transitional fossils!
/

4 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:00:28pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

But there are no transitional fossils!
/

It merely created two more gaps!

5 moogie  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:00:48pm

Fascinating!

6 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:01:52pm

I hope that those fossils can produce a valid birth certificate! Clearly they are not US-born citizens.

/

7 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:09pm

Better headline: Evolution researchers trying to ID fossil

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:21pm

The link is not working for me.

9 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:45pm

re: #7 gmsc

Better headline: Evolution researchers trying to ID fossil

*rimshot*

10 Tumulus11  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:59pm

. A lizard bird from before registration.

11 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:03:08pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Doesn't work for me either.

12 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:03:25pm

re: #10 Tumulus11

. A lizard bird from before registration.

Oddly enough- the link is saying something about registration.

13 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:04:11pm

re: #9 gclaghorn

*rimshot*

Here's how we do it at LGF: *rimshot*
;)

14 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:04:37pm
15 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:04:55pm

re: #13 gmsc

Here's how we do it at LGF: *rimshot*
;)

Saved for future reference. ;)

16 Charles  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:05:26pm

Try the link again...

17 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:05:28pm

re: #10 Tumulus11

. A lizard bird from before registration.

Ah, the little known pre-registration era...

18 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:06:05pm

Competition: guess the post number of the first creationist to claim that archaeopteryx is a fake.

19 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:06:50pm

re: #16 Charles

Try the link again...

It works now- thank you. Though- I had to refresh the page.

20 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:06:51pm

re: #16 Charles

Try the link again...

It works now!

21 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:07:23pm

re: #18 Jimmah

Competition: guess the post number of the first creationist to claim that archaeopteryx is a fake.

Square the derivative of the Nikkei Index...subtract 7...carry the 5...divide by pi...

109.

22 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:08:44pm

Read this article yesterday. If what they are doing works, this will open up a whole new era of paleontology. I did recall seeing once a bunch of paleontologists that cat scanned an albertasauros skull that was still encased in the rock it was found in. IIRC correctly they found a lot of interesting structures in the skull.

23 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:08:58pm
Archaeopteryx holds a unique place in history. When the first specimen was discovered about a century and a half ago, just a year after Charles Darwin published "On the Origin of Species," its shared reptile-avian features provided the strongest evidence yet for the theory of evolution.

And the evidence to support evolution has only grown.

24 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:09:09pm

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

Aeop to their old teryx again, I see.

I couldn't decide whether to upding or downding you for that, so I'm doing both.

25 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:09:38pm

I sure hope no Bird Dinosaurs were injured in the making of that scan!

26 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:09:43pm

re: #21 gclaghorn

Square the derivative of the Nikkei Index...subtract 7...carry the 5...divide by pi...

109.

Really? I give it 58 posts. Or barring that 300.

/either real early or real late.

27 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:10:08pm

Don't make it mad.

You wouldn't like it when it gets mad.

28 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:10:14pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

The link is not working for me.

Try it again.
You can click on the photo and get a bigger view.
I wish I had the knowledge to pick out which part is which from that picture.

29 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:11:04pm

SLAC! WHOO for modern technology! Time to examine the universe, all the way down to the quarks, all the way back to the Big Bang!
(Yes,i'm hyper, why do you ask?)

30 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:11:09pm
"We could build up a library of samples,'' Bergmann said. "We'd start out with parts of creatures that are still in existence — let's say, a bird's feather, or maybe the shells of turtles or skins of lizards. Then we could do more fossils. Once you have all that information together, it's possible to compare.''

Whoah there! Before we go too far . . .

31 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:13:14pm

re: #30 gmsc

Whoah there! Before we go too far . . .

I am sure we can use some lizards that turned to the darkside. Hmmm also some troll in there too. Maybe we can see the slide from lizard to troll with this new application of technology.

32 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:14:21pm

re: #30 gmsc

Whoah there! Before we go too far . . .

I nominate the trolls to go first.

33 Bobibutu  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:14:40pm

re: #30 gmsc

Whoah there! Before we go too far . . .

And we thot we were rockin' last century.

34 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:14:53pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout

Charles fixed it.

35 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:15:38pm

Here's a nice piece proving that archaeopteryx is not just another species of bird: The Archaeopteryx Challenge

36 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:18:10pm

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.

37 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:19:17pm

re: #36 VegasRick

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.

Come join the fun!

38 Cdat88  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:20:18pm

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

39 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:21:04pm

re: #37 gclaghorn

I thought that was finished...gosh. I'll go and have a look.

40 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:22:01pm

I'm trying to recall a story I read a few years ago in National Geographic. They ran a cover story about a winged/feathered dinosaur found in china. But I think the locals had faked the fossils, because Nat. Geo retracted the story and apologized to their readership. Does anyone else remember this?

41 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:22:13pm

re: #39 Jimmah

I thought that was finished...gosh. I'll go and have a look.

Maybe so...the troll isn't going for AnneFrance's record, after all.

42 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:23:08pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Laughable.

43 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:23:54pm

re: #41 gclaghorn

Maybe so...the troll isn't going for AnneFrance's record, after all.

Nope, just got the stick. Socky, Socky...

44 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:24:08pm

The archaeopteryx is also noted for great (if pricey) outdoor wear.

45 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:24:30pm

re: #43 CynicalConservative

Nope, just got the stick. Socky, Socky...

Good riddance.

46 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:25:13pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

Tell me you're freakin' joking.

47 MAV  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:25:23pm
48 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:25:32pm

re: #45 gclaghorn

Good riddance.

Came in late to the discussion, but got the gist quickly.

49 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:34pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

Seriously- you're going to have to do better to make the case for ID than a banana.

50 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:35pm

re: #42 Sharmuta

I think Cdat88 intended it to poke fun at creationists.

51 cwm3  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:45pm

Here's a news flash: the researchers will find evidence of evolution. They are starting the research with the answer as a planted axiom.

52 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:49pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

They've convinced me!

It's Turtles All The Way Down!

The banana proves it!

53 legalpad  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:27:23pm

re: #36 VegasRick

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.


I'm switching! LOL!

54 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:27:37pm

re: #46 gclaghorn

Also see: Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!

Although these videos seem like parodies, they are not. They are creationist videos.

55 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:28:18pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Also see: Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!

Although these videos seem like parodies, they are not. They are creationist videos.

That's a keeper. I'm saving it.

56 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:28:36pm

re: #36 VegasRick

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.

Stinky whacked it.
Buh-bye!

57 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:28:45pm

re: #51 cwm3

Here's a news flash: the researchers will find evidence of evolution. They are starting the research with the answer as a planted axiom.

Oh, dear.

58 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:29:54pm

re: #50 Jimmah

I disagree, but Cdat is welcome to elaborate.

Personally, my flag went off with the inclusion of "88" in the nic but it gave a cover story. Time will tell, though.

59 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:30:21pm

Cdat88, don't keep us in suspense. I need to know if I have to change the upding I gave you to a downding.

60 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:31:11pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

You're right - it's just like the modern banana we all know and love had been designed that way - and there's proof this is indeed the case! However, the designer isn't who you might think . . .

However, these bananas still give this atheist nightmares.

61 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:31:31pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Also see: Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!

Although these videos seem like parodies, they are not. They are creationist videos.

Oh. My. Something.

I think my IQ dropped five points just from watching that.

62 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:31:53pm

re: #46 gclaghorn

Tell me you're freakin' joking.

Either he's serious, or he's joking and forgot the sarcasm slashies. Either one earns a downding.

63 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:32:03pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Oh. My. Something.

I think my IQ dropped five points just from watching that.

But you haven't seen the "Bananas in Pajamas" video yet!

64 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:32:20pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

Personally, my flag went off with the inclusion of "88" in the nic

Good eye.

65 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:32:45pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Didn't you see how it's curved towards the mouth?

66 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:32:46pm

re: #64 Occasional Reader

Thanks, Big Guy.

67 bombay311  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:19pm

Those arent the fossils I knew

68 lesbianrainforest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:22pm
For instance, calcium would suggest a bone; iron might mean blood. By measuring the distribution of these chemicals in a fossil, it may be possible to re-create anatomy — and hence, evolution.

Wow! re-creating evolution. Sound's like Steven Wright's..."I put instant coffee in a microwave and went back in time."

69 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:22pm

re: #51 cwm3

Here's a news flash: the researchers will find evidence of evolution. They are starting the research with the answer as a planted axiom.

No, that would be creationist-dogma-driven IDers...hey, wait; they don't DO any research:

[Link: ase.tufts.edu...]

70 HelloDare  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:46pm

I stand by everything I said in the previous X-Raying an Archaeopteryx thread.

71 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:34:43pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Also see: Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!

Although these videos seem like parodies, they are not. They are creationist videos.

OHMYGOD!

A bunch of freaking ignoramuses! Not a freaking clue as to the theories on the origins of life.

It's self parody, of the worst kind.

72 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:07pm

re: #59 Jimmah

Cdat88, don't keep us in suspense. I need to know if I have to change the upding I gave you to a downding.

That you are hearing *crickets* doesn't bode well.

73 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:23pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

That you are hearing *crickets* doesn't bode well.

And he is still logged in. Hello? Anybody there?

74 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:29pm

re: #56 jcm

Stinky whacked it.
Buh-bye!

Did it get to over 100 - dings?

75 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:53pm

To quote my 8 year old: "Dinosaurs are COOL!"

76 Charles  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:37:39pm

Charles, why do you hate Christians... I mean, birds... I mean, dinosaurs... I mean, whatever! Why do you hate whatever?!

77 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:37:40pm

re: #74 VegasRick

Did it get to over 100 - dings?

No

78 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:37:43pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

I disagree, but Cdat is welcome to elaborate.

Personally, my flag went off with the inclusion of "88" in the nic but it gave a cover story. Time will tell, though.

"88"? What significance is there?

79 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:05pm

re: #65 Jimmah

Didn't you see how it's curved towards the mouth?

The peanut butter? No. I've heard of "crunchy" peanut butter, but not the "curved" kind.

/yes, yes, I know you thought I meant el platano

80 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:09pm

I love these fossils! Beautiful. When my daughter was that golden age 6 - 8 or 9 years--we had the coolest fossils collected from museums, field trips, stone quarries. When she was still pretty little, 5 maybe, we actually found a fossil leaf imprint on a piece of gravel from her swingset.

sorry. baby needs to come home for Christmas this week 'cause she is missed

81 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:20pm

re: #78 VegasRick

"88"? What significance is there?

It's nazi code-speak.

82 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:20pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

That you are hearing *crickets* doesn't bode well.

Yeah....I just changed it to a downding.

83 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:35pm

re: #77 CynicalConservative

No

Too bad.

84 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:46pm

re: #78 VegasRick

isn't '88' some code word for neo nazi's or adolf hitler?

85 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

It's nazi code-speak.

Twisted "SS"?

86 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:39:31pm

re: #84 chicagodudewhotrades

isn't '88' some code word for neo nazi's or adolf hitler?

I didn't know that.

87 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:39:54pm

re: #85 VegasRick

Twisted "SS"?

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

88 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:12pm

re: #36 VegasRick

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.

I finally figured it out. duh.

89 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:13pm

re: #80 Joan

I love these fossils! Beautiful. When my daughter was that golden age 6 - 8 or 9 years--we had the coolest fossils collected from museums, field trips, stone quarries. When she was still pretty little, 5 maybe, we actually found a fossil leaf imprint on a piece of gravel from her swingset.

sorry. baby needs to come home for Christmas this week 'cause she is missed

I bet should could name them all and give a detailed account of what they ate, where they lived, what era, etc, etc......kids just love those dinos!

90 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:25pm

re: #83 VegasRick

Too bad.

Not too late, I don't think the posts were deleted, just the sock.

91 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:29pm

re: #75 Desert Dog

To quote my 8 year old: "Dinosaurs are COOL!"

Which is why Adam and Eve rode them.

92 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:38pm

re: #75 Desert Dog

To quote my 8 year old: "Dinosaurs are COOL!"

The cool thing about kids and dinosaurs is it's usually their first foray into science. Kids do love dinosaurs and I think encouraging that love, and exposing them to science can benefit them greatly for the remainder of their lives.

93 transient  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:47pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

Oh, yuk.

94 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:47pm

re: #85 VegasRick

Twisted "SS"?

It stands for the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Hence, 88 is Nazi code-speak for HH, or Heil Hitler.

95 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:56pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

Learned something new today. Happens everytime I log onto LGF.

96 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:41:15pm

re: #76 Charles

Charles, why do you hate Christians... I mean, birds... I mean, dinosaurs... I mean, whatever! Why do you hate whatever?!

You forgot x-rays..... Why do you hate x-rays..... ? Inquiring minds want to know.... No need to know..... ;)

97 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:41:15pm

Can you imagine going into a hospital where all the doctors believe in Intelligent Design?

"Sir, good news: we've finally diagnosed your condition!"

"So you can start treating it?"

"Well, no, but we can definitely say it sure looks designed!"

98 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:41:22pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

Beat me to it!

99 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:41:50pm

re: #90 CynicalConservative

Not too late, I don't think the posts were deleted, just the sock.

I stand corrected, at -103.

100 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:42:08pm

re: #76 Charles

Charles, why do you hate Christians... I mean, birds... I mean, dinosaurs... I mean, whatever! Why do you hate whatever?!

See! You left out the turtles again.
///

101 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:42:20pm

re: #85 VegasRick

Twisted "SS"?

Eight letter of the alphabet H, repeated twice it's HH.. Heil Hitler...

102 bryantms  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:42:27pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

That was the funniest thing anyone's said all day!

103 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:42:54pm

re: #101 doriangrey

Eight letter of the alphabet H, repeated twice it's HH.. Heil Hitler...

How about FOADHHA's, what does that stand for?

104 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:43:25pm

re: #90 CynicalConservative

Not too late, I don't think the posts were deleted, just the sock.

I think I used up all of my alloted down dings, can I borrow a couple of yours?

105 HelloDare  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:43:25pm

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Okay maybe not gay but effeminate Take a look at the wrist and leg action. Seriously.

106 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:03pm
107 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:42pm

re: #103 Desert Dog

How about FOADHHA's, what does that stand for?

F off and die HH Assholes? Meh... works for me.... ;)

108 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:47pm

re: #105 HelloDare

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Okay maybe not gay but effeminate Take a look at the wrist and leg action. Seriously.

Wow! It's a Myassissaur!

109 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:52pm

re: #105 HelloDare

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Okay maybe not gay but effeminate Take a look at the wrist and leg action. Seriously.

That fossil is one singular sensation, every little step it takes.

110 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:57pm

re: #107 doriangrey

F off and die HH Assholes? Meh... works for me.... ;)

One up ding for you!

111 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:45:20pm

Earlier this year, I was at the Field museum downtown and saw "sue' the T-Rex. That is a cool fossil. I took some pics from ground level and then went up to a balcony overlooking it and took some more. I made sure I had other people in all the photos to give 'Sue' some scale. Real cool trip, I should go again.

112 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:45:25pm

re: #104 VegasRick

I think I used up all of my alloted down dings, can I borrow a couple of yours?

We're rationed?!?!

///oh noes...

113 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:46:41pm

re: #105 HelloDare

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Okay maybe not gay but effeminate Take a look at the wrist and leg action. Seriously.

That fossil could probably dance really well AND pick out matching accessories for your shoes too!

114 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:46:44pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

And the evidence to support evolution has only grown.

that is a very important point.
the more research that is done, the more we fill in the blanks and see that evolution is more than a theory.
creationism tags along trying to refute the evidence that science uncovers.

115 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:46:53pm

re: #111 chicagodudewhotrades

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

116 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:47:33pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

It's nazi code-speak.

So potentially we have a creationist fascist troll - and one that is fully dumb enough to use the banana clip as a weapon...gosh.

117 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:47:52pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

Ja, Ich sehe das Boot letztes Jahr

118 irongrampa  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:48:02pm

re: #111 chicagodudewhotrades

Impressive and frightening, isn't it?

119 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:48:17pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

No, he made bail and headed back to Springfield!
*rimshot*

120 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:48:50pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

I believe it's the U505

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:06pm

Me? Or does it look a little like "Woodstock's" ancestor.

122 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:08pm

re: #115 rawmuse


Yeah. U-505 is still here too. I have also seen that in the past year too. And even better, both museum trips were with fellow lizards in town for the weekend. I think us lizards like museums. :)

123 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:27pm

re: #79 Occasional Reader

The peanut butter? No. I've heard of "crunchy" peanut butter, but not the "curved" kind.

/yes, yes, I know you thought I meant el platano

lol. I wasn't reading properly. Gonna watch the peanut butter clip now.

124 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:29pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

OH MY GOD!

CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD!

E-MAIR-GENCY! EVERYBODY TO GET FROM STREET!

125 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:07pm

re: #118 irongrampa

Impressive and frightening, isn't it?

They were peaceful vegetarians, until Adam & Eve sinned.

126 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:09pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

Musuem of Science and Industry, a very cool place to visit

127 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:16pm

re: #116 Jimmah

So potentially we have a creationist fascist troll - and one that is fully dumb enough to use the banana clip as a weapon...gosh.

For the record- I questioned "Cdat88" immediately after it's first post about the "88" and it said it was the year in which it became a Cdat. I still remain skeptical, and this stunt did not help it's case in my mind at all.

128 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:54pm

Varmint Still Doesn't Paly Well With Others.

I've got two words for the UAW: Chapter Eleven.

Seriously. Union members "working" for the Big Three get at least double the wages of other people (actually) working in the same position in a non-union company.

And the reason I cast aspersions upon the work ethic of UAW members is that many of these so-called workers don't actually do any work but they still collect full pay and benefits. This practice effectively adds about two thousand dollars to the price of every automobile offered for sale by the Big Three.

Our socialist overlords are rushing into a bailout of the Big Three because it is in fact a bailout of the UAW. Ayn Rand used to call this phenomena Pull Politics and the practitioners the Aristocracy of Pull.

And as with every other aristocratic set-up its the peasants like us who are compelled to pay for the maintenance and upkeep of those who deem themselves (because no one else will) better than us mere mortals.

What are your questions on this block of instruction?

129 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:59pm

And, here is the man that was looking at the link between dinos and birds a long time ago, and that dinos were warm blooded...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

130 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:51:05pm

re: #89 Desert Dog

I bet should could name them all and give a detailed account of what they ate, where they lived, what era, etc, etc......kids just love those dinos!

yep. totally fun, and sweet too

131 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:51:09pm

re: #122 chicagodudewhotrades

Yeah. U-505 is still here too. I have also seen that in the past year too. And even better, both museum trips were with fellow lizards in town for the weekend. I think us lizards like museums. :)

Does San Fransicko know you guys have a Nazi Sub? Man when they find out they are going to be soooo pissed off that they dont have one....

132 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:51:51pm
133 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:51:52pm

Oldest Spider Web Found, Scientist Says

The tiny tangled threads of the world's oldest spider web have been found encased in a prehistoric piece of amber, a British scientist said Monday.

A British scientist said Monday that the tangled threads seen encased in this prehistoric piece of amber is the world's oldest spider web, at 140 million years old. A microscope revealed the existence of tiny threads about 1/20th of an inch long amid bits of burnt sap and fossilized vegetable matter.

Oxford University paleobiologist Martin Brasier said the 140-million-year-old webbing provides evidence that arachnids had been ensnaring their prey in silky nets since the dinosaur age. He also said the strands were linked to each other in the roughly circular pattern familiar to gardeners the world over.

140 million years old? But, but, that's impossible!

/I don't think so!

134 irongrampa  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:52:39pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

His book, Dinosaur Heresies, is a must read for anyone interested in these magnificent creatures.

135 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:52:41pm

re: #120 HoosierHoops

I believe it's the U505

Capture of the U-505, one of the great feats of US Navy in WWII.

136 Jurassic Slappass  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:53:05pm

311 is another "code number"
3 letters
11th number in the alphabet: K

hence: KKK

137 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:53:29pm

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

138 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:53:43pm

a dinosaur that perished more than 150 million years
.....but the limestone is only 6,000 years old.....

/it's a compromise.....

139 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:53:59pm

re: #132 gmsc

Cannibals: The Creationist's Nightmare

I would taste like coffee and pizza, I should stay away from Papua New Guinea

140 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:54:05pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Tastes like chicken.

141 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:54:34pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Oooh...cuddly.

142 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:54:43pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

For the record- I questioned "Cdat88" immediately after it's first post about the "88" and it said it was the year in which it became a Cdat. I still remain skeptical, and this stunt did not help it's case in my mind at all.

It's possible this person could be a victim of circumstance - but not looking too good at the moment. What's a cdat btw?

143 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:06pm

re: #122 chicagodudewhotrades

Yeah. U-505 is still here too. I have also seen that in the past year too. And even better, both museum trips were with fellow lizards in town for the weekend. I think us lizards like museums. :)

who wouldnt...they are world class as is the art museum

144 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:12pm

re: #142 Jimmah

What's a cdat btw?

Good question!

145 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:45pm
146 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:49pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

Good question!

Cdat?

Cwhat?

Dat!

No.

147 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:51pm

re: #136 Jurassic Slappass

311 is another "code number"
3 letters
11th number in the alphabet: K

hence: KKK

Wait a sec.. I thought the 311 was a gangsta/rap group out of Detroit..
I'm pretty sure I'm right.

148 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:56pm

re: #139 Desert Dog

I would taste like coffee and pizza, I should stay away from Papua New Guinea

I can just see it . . .

"That guy was delicious - we should send out for Desert Dog more often!"


Why don't cannibals eat clowns? They taste funny!

149 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:56:08pm

re: #134 irongrampa

His book, Dinosaur Heresies, is a must read for anyone interested in these magnificent creatures.

He has hung around the neighborhood here, since Dinosaur Ridge is just a few miles from from where I live.

He certainly has his supporters and detractors. You haven't really done science unless some one disagrees with you.

150 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:56:48pm

re: #140 OldLineTexan

Tastes like chicken.

Lizards, dinner is served.

151 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:56:52pm
152 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:57:27pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Notice the legs and the scales. Now, look up a picture of a bird, a large bird so you can see, like a parrot, like Maisey the Parrot.

153 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:57:59pm

re: #145 Desert Dog

coincidence?

That would make some sense if Cdat was honest about being 20 years old.

154 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:58:02pm

re: #151 Desert Dog

Perhaps this one?

I think you may be right:

Occupation:
Chemical sales

155 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:58:44pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

Notice the legs and the scales. Now, look up a picture of a bird, a large bird so you can see, like a parrot, like Maisey the Parrot.

How do you know Maisey is really a parrot? And not one of those, whatdyacallem, architect things?

156 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:59:05pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

He has hung around the neighborhood here, since Dinosaur Ridge is just a few miles from from where I live.

He certainly has his supporters and detractors. You haven't really done science unless some one disagrees with you.

You can still go out to Morrison and find bones and plant fossils. We used to do that as a field trip back in the 70's.

157 Kaos Hiker  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:59:08pm

I always questioned their ability to reconstruct what Dinosaurs looked like. If You found a Human skull but, You had never seen a Human before, would You think to put big ole floppy cartilage Ears on it.How about long blond hair. probably not. They don`t have a clue what Dino really looked like.

158 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:00:21pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

Mmmm, not so much.

159 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:00:50pm

Acronym dictionary - CDAT entry:

CDAT Community Drug Action Team
CDAT Climate Data Analysis Tool
CDAT Character Data
CDAT CoastWatch Data Analysis Tool
CDAT Child Disability Assessment Tool
CDAT Computerized Dumb-Ass Tanker
CDAT Canadian Dental Aptitude Test
CDAT Cisco Distributed Administration Tool
CDAT Can-Do Attitude Test
CDAT Channel District Action Team (California)
CDAT Collaborative Data Analysis Toolsuite
CDAT Core Data Analysis Toolkit (UK)
CDAT Consent Decree Action Teams
CDAT Configuration Dependent Analysis Tools

160 Alouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:00:57pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

Kewl video with Vegas chorus girls, faygele dancing boys, and Mel Brooks as rappin' Adolf.

161 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:01:03pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

How about an after shot?
[Link: i.ehow.com...]

162 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:03:19pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

I always questioned their ability to reconstruct what Dinosaurs looked like. If You found a Human skull but, You had never seen a Human before, would You think to put big ole floppy cartilage Ears on it.How about long blond hair. probably not. They don`t have a clue what Dino really looked like.

I think they have a very good idea about the looks. Forensic science is amazing. The only thing they cannot get is the color or the scales, skin, feathers, whatever they had. A good forensic scientist can reconstruct a face from a skull these days......it is almost as much of an art as a science. The bones tell where the muscles were.....

facial reconstruction

163 HelloDare  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:03:26pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

They don`t have a clue what Dino really looked like.

Sure they do. They look like this.

164 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:04:24pm

re: #163 HelloDare

Sure they do. They look like this.

That fossil does not look lifelike....it's a poor mock up

165 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:04:30pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

How do you know Maisey is really a parrot? And not one of those, whatdyacallem, architect things?

Because...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

166 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:05:09pm

Regardless what "cdat" means, it's becoming more clear it's an ID supporter who came to drop a load, and not back up it's post.

167 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:05:27pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

I believe that they have found fossil skin, "mummified" fossils, tissue imprints and the like. As well they can do reconstruction of muscles from bone scarring. Ligaments and sinew will leave distinctive marks on bones. Much of this reconstruction is used as well in modern forensics too. Blond hair and eyes is mostly just cosmetic stuff they add on.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:05:41pm

Effing TMJ is acting up tonight. My whole head hurts. So, I'll leave it at this....

G'night John-Boy!

169 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:05:56pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

Because...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

Why did I think you had an African Grey?

170 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:06:26pm

re: #163 HelloDare

Sure they do. They look like this.

Thats an insult to all things scaly. ;)

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:06:51pm

re: #167 BlueCanuck

Not necessarily. I watched an episode of Quincy once....ah, forget it.

172 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:07:03pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

Because...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

Poor old Walter.... Maisey is a dinosaur.... Walter keeps a pet raptor..... ;p

173 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:07:37pm

This looks like a controversial and interesting book:

Apes or Angels?: Darwin, Dover, Human Nature, and Race
by Cornelius J. Troost
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

174 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:07:38pm

re: #172 doriangrey

Poor old Walter.... Maisey is a dinosaur.... Walter keeps a pet raptor..... ;p


He maybe safe, they hunt in packs.

175 Jurassic Slappass  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:08:13pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

I would not doubt it. Ignorance is bliss, right?
The town I went to college at had a "311 Club" at it. I am sure it can be Googled. Their "special" was always $1.00 beef jerky. Go figure.
Shitty place IMOO. I had too many teeth to get in, so I never got to enjoy the experience.

176 Alouette  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:08:51pm
177 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:05pm

re: #172 doriangrey
Don't go into the long grass!

178 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:21pm

Oh those fools! If only they knew! Every time they examine a fossil, God dies a little. And every time an evolution scientist publishes, an atheist kills a kitten. THE HORROR!
/okay, now I'm dizzy...Do not look through that thing from the other end!

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:29pm

re: #176 Alouette

I would prefer that you do not link to porn sites.

180 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:46pm

re: #167 BlueCanuck

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

I believe that they have found fossil skin, "mummified" fossils, tissue imprints and the like. As well they can do reconstruction of muscles from bone scarring. Ligaments and sinew will leave distinctive marks on bones. Much of this reconstruction is used as well in modern forensics too. Blond hair and eyes is mostly just cosmetic stuff they add on.

It's a loaded question which Hiker knows the answer to. These kind of answers are available on Sesame Street.

181 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:50pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

That would make some sense if Cdat was honest about being 20 years old.

Yes, that does seem to match up. Those pages don't really suggest anything amiss along the lines of nazism or creationism as far as I can tell. Maybe the 88 is a coincidence and her puter cut out or she had to leave earlier. We'll see.

182 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:11pm

re: #116 Jimmah

So potentially we have a creationist fascist troll - and one that is fully dumb enough to use the banana clip as a weapon...gosh.

wasn't that just comedy, poking fun at ID, creationists? Should we light up here?

183 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:12pm

Speaking of reconstructing fossils, right now I'm enjoying a Dogfish Head "Midas Touch", based on the oldest known recipe for beer.

It's very good, and kind of strong. No wonder it took those lushes so long to work their way out of the Iron Age.

184 JHW  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:13pm

re: #167 BlueCanuck

You're right , here's one I remember from late last year.

Scientists today announced the discovery of an extraordinarily preserved "dinosaur mummy" with much of its tissues and bones still encased in an uncollapsed envelope of skin.
For now, the team continues to examine the rare specimen, which included preserved tendons and ligaments, and to prepare scientific articles on the find for publication.


Dinosaur mummy found, has intact skin, tissue

185 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:22pm

re: #176 Alouette

Who says there are no transitional fossils?

*spew* Warning next time please?

/NSFW, on second thought NSFHV (not safe for human viewing)

186 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:22pm

re: #176 Alouette
WHACK! That was very, very bad!

187 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:43pm

re: #174 DEZes

He maybe safe, they hunt in packs.

Walter is safe. Read #132, he tastes too salty...his Japanese neighbor should watch his back though....

188 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:53pm

re: #169 HoosierHoops

Why did I think you had an African Grey?

No, Maisey is a red-lored (red fronted) Amazon, with malformed feet, born that way.

re: #172 doriangrey

Poor old Walter.... Maisey is a dinosaur.... Walter keeps a pet raptor..... ;p

And she is coming to destroy a building near you.

189 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:20pm

re: #182 2by2

wasn't that just comedy, poking fun at ID, creationists? Should we light up here?

uhm, not light him up, but lighten up?

190 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:22pm

Archaeopteryx. Not to be confused with Apteryx...a wingless bird with hairy feathers. BTW McNabb, two interceptions in the red zone. But he's not overrated. BTW, how 'bout them Cowboys?

191 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:26pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

I always questioned their ability to reconstruct what Dinosaurs looked like. If You found a Human skull but, You had never seen a Human before, would You think to put big ole floppy cartilage Ears on it.How about long blond hair. probably not. They don`t have a clue what Dino really looked like.

There's more to it than that.
Bones show where muscles were attached and how much stress they were under indicating size. By comparing similar anatomical structures, a idea of shape can be arrived at. Fossils of remnants of skin and other structures have been found, giving scientists an idea surface texture.

As to colors you are correct, coloration is mostly supposition.

192 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:26pm

SCIENCE REPORT FRUM TEH KITTEHS:

WE X-RAYD TEH BIRD RAWK. IT MADE OV ROCKZ. NO GUD 2 EAT. PROJECT CANCELLD.

193 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:35pm

re: #176 Alouette

Who says there are no transitional fossils?

I believe that is a "mutation", not a fossil

194 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:44pm

re: #181 Jimmah

Yes, that does seem to match up. Those pages don't really suggest anything amiss along the lines of nazism or creationism as far as I can tell. Maybe the 88 is a coincidence and her puter cut out or she had to leave earlier. We'll see.

20 years old, born in 88'.

195 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:53pm

re: #76 Charles

Charles, why do you hate Christians... I mean, birds... I mean, dinosaurs... I mean, whatever! Why do you hate whatever?!

Why?

196 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:12:38pm

BBL!

197 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:12:59pm

re: #196 pingjockey

BBL!

Mee too! See ya all.

198 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:13:40pm

For the record- I just want it know that evolution is fully accepted in Smurf Village.

199 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:13:47pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Speaking of reconstructing fossils, right now I'm enjoying a Dogfish Head "Midas Touch", based on the oldest known recipe for beer.

It's very good, and kind of strong. No wonder it took those lushes so long to work their way out of the Iron Age.


I always questioned their ability to reconstruct what pizza looked like. If You found a pizza crust but, You had never seen a pizza crust before, would You think to put cheese on it.How about garlic. probably not. They don`t have a clue what pizza really looked like.

Kaos Hiker

200 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:13:52pm

re: #177 pingjockey

Don't go into the long grass!

Don't tell me, tell Walter.... One of these days Maisey is going to be all alone in his cage repeating over and over to himself... Hmmmm, they do taste just like Chicken....

201 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:13:54pm

re: #162 Desert Dog

I think they have a very good idea about the looks. Forensic science is amazing. The only thing they cannot get is the color or the scales, skin, feathers, whatever they had. A good forensic scientist can reconstruct a face from a skull these days......it is almost as much of an art as a science. The bones tell where the muscles were.....

facial reconstruction

There was an article recently where they captured pigment remnants from fossil feathers, I'll see if I can dig it up.

Meanwhile here's a good video series on proof of evolution that speaks to transitional fossils.

202 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:14:04pm

1. Hitler was because of Darwin.
2.Where are the transitional fossils?
3. Me and the other sock agree.
4. Darwinism is only a theory.
5.Charles should post other things.
6.My faith is so weak, science offends me.

are we there yet?

203 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:14:24pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

For the record- I questioned "Cdat88" immediately after it's first post about the "88" and it said it was the year in which it became a Cdat. I still remain skeptical, and this stunt did not help it's case in my mind at all.

what am I missing? CDAT what does that mean in Nazi speak?

204 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:14:33pm

re: #175 Jurassic Slappass

I would not doubt it. Ignorance is bliss, right?
The town I went to college at had a "311 Club" at it. I am sure it can be Googled. Their "special" was always $1.00 beef jerky. Go figure.
Shitty place IMOO. I had too many teeth to get in, so I never got to enjoy the experience.

LOL
what college did you go to? I figure if there is a 311 club nearby..I'd better walk the straight and narrow and if 50cent shows up buy him a drink of want ever he wants. no questions asked

205 Naso Tang  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:14:45pm

re: #46 gclaghorn

Tell me you're freakin' joking.

My question is; how does one (you) find this stuff in the first place and second, how does one find the time and motivation to record it and then upload to YouTube?

It was funny however....

206 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:15:18pm

re: #182 2by2

wasn't that just comedy, poking fun at ID, creationists? Should we light up here?

That's exactly what I thought at first. I was then puzzled by the lack of a reply and some concerns about her nick that were raised. I'm gravitating back to my original view now.

207 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:15:39pm

re: #200 doriangrey

Don't tell me, tell Walter.... One of these days Maisey is going to be all alone in his cage repeating over and over to himself... Hmmmm, they do taste just like Chicken....

LOL... and I scared Maisey. It's that time of night where she sits quietly, eyes open, but sort of in a trance.

208 iam7545  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:16:45pm

Two down - twenty million to go -


Drone into Pakistan Kills Two

209 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:09pm

re: #205 Naso Tang

My question is; how does one (you) find this stuff in the first place and second, how does one find the time and motivation to record it and then upload to YouTube?

It was funny however....

Do you see that "search" box at the top of the youtube page. Search on a topic, just like google.

210 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:26pm

Ellison makes pilgrimage to Mecca

Back home he's one of the 535 most powerful lawmakers in America, but last week, on the holiest week in Islam's holiest city, U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison was just one among the estimated 3 million travelers making the pilgrimage to Mecca.

"You forget who you are - black or white and American or African - and where you come from when you are before God circling the Kabba [the large masonry cubic structure near Mecca] in a two-piece unstitched garment," Ellison said in a CNN interview last week.

Continuing in his unofficial role as America's goodwill ambassador to the Middle East, Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress also became the first sitting member to make the religious journey that all able-bodied Muslims are obligated to make once in their lifetime, otherwise known as Hajj.

/oh boy, more historic firsts for Minnesota to be proud of

211 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:30pm

re: #203 2by2

what am I missing? CDAT what does that mean in Nazi speak?

For all I know- nothing. But the use of "88" is well known. I questioned Cdat88 about it, they gave me an answer. I remain skeptical but can do nothing but take their explanation at face value.

212 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:36pm

re: #200 doriangrey

Don't tell me, tell Walter.... One of these days Maisey is going to be all alone in his cage repeating over and over to himself... Hmmmm, they do taste just like Chicken....

HER CAGE.

213 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:45pm

re: #173 Salamantis

This looks like a controversial and interesting book:

Apes or Angels?: Darwin, Dover, Human Nature, and Race
by Cornelius J. Troost
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Now I would pay good money to see any quantity of apes dance on the head of a pin. Just sayin'.

214 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:55pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

Oh, so that's what that video is about. This is the first time I've seen it with the audio track.

/I thought it was a vid advocating fellatio. Silly me.

215 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:18:05pm

re: #198 Sharmuta

For the record- I just want it know that evolution is fully accepted in Smurf Village.

Trivia time kiddies: Almost all the smurfs, as Sharmuta points out, evolved. However, one of them was "intelligently designed". Which one?

216 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:18:33pm

re: #206 Jimmah

That's exactly what I thought at first. I was then puzzled by the lack of a reply and some concerns about her nick that were raised. I'm gravitating back to my original view now.

looked like a joke to me, and I thought the video clip was actually funny, had not seen that before.

217 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:18:40pm

re: #215 gmsc

Trivia time kiddies: Almost all the smurfs, as Sharmuta points out, evolved. However, one of them was "intelligently designed". Which one?

Obama Smurf.

218 Mithrax  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:18:56pm

re: #215 gmsc

Smurfette.

219 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:10pm

re: #204 HoosierHoops

LOL
what college did you go to? I figure if there is a 311 club nearby..I'd better walk the straight and narrow and if 50cent shows up buy him a drink of want ever he wants. no questions asked

I hope 311 is not named for anything stupid like that, I love that band

220 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:21pm

re: #218 Mithrax

Smurfette.

Which is why I recused myself from answering.

221 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:28pm

Did Kaos Hiker get lost?

222 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:45pm

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

HER CAGE.

Sorry to hear that... Scientists believe that the female raptor is the more dangerous of the two... ;p

223 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:58pm

re: #213 swamprat

Now I would pay good money to see any quantity of apes dance on the head of a pin. Just sayin'.

I'd rather pay for lap dances from, you know, women, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

224 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:07pm

re: #202 swamprat

Here's another that seems to come up a lot:

7. I'm leaving you all to your worthless circle jerk. Charles, please delete my account.

225 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:07pm

re: #215 gmsc

Trivia time kiddies: Almost all the smurfs, as Sharmuta points out, evolved. However, one of them was "intelligently designed". Which one?

Brainy Smurf?

/of course we could say Smurfette, but that would be opening a whole can of worms about Gargamel.

226 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:13pm

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

LOL... and I scared Maisey. It's that time of night where she sits quietly, eyes open, but sort of in a trance.

There was about 15 of us that shared a huge house in College.. Everybody seemed to have birds.. They woke me up every morning at 4am. I hate birds.
I hate the mess they leave..I dislike them without BBQ sauce..
LOL

227 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:35pm

re: #218 Mithrax

Smurfette.

Yep!

228 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:40pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

And, here is the man that was looking at the link between dinos and birds a long time ago, and that dinos were warm blooded...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Whoa, a Pentecostal minister AND a believer in evolution. This I did not know! Thanks for the link, Walter.

229 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:21:40pm

Good evening.

The early futures numbers for tomorrow are pointing about 0.25% down.

The Nikkei is down 0.65% and the Hang Seng is down 0.94%

Oil was down to $44.38 today

3 month LIBOR dropped

The TED spread dropped to 1.83 (it was 2.18 just a couple weeks ago).

So the banking rates are dropping, which should ease the credit situation.

The single most important aspect of getting this turned around is just that the waves of bad news have to end at some point. It's been month after month now of almost constant bad news. Once we can just get a few weeks in a row of no major bankruptcies and maybe even some good news, we should see some upward movement in the market.

230 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:22:04pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

For all I know- nothing. But the use of "88" is well known. I questioned Cdat88 about it, they gave me an answer. I remain skeptical but can do nothing but take their explanation at face value.

ok, thx
his or her silence now is strange though, ..........hello, still logged in?

231 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:22:23pm

re: #176 Alouette

Who says there are no transitional fossils?

*BARF* I hope that hit your hat, sir!

232 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:22:52pm

Damn, got to get moving. See you folks in an hour or two.

/time to change locations.

233 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:02pm

re: #224 Jimmah


Missed one!

234 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:21pm

re: #230 2by2

Yes- it is strange. Came to drop a little load of ID love but can't stick around to back up the support for that "theory".

235 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:38pm

Bonus Smurf trivia: How many female smurfs are there, and what are their names?

236 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:39pm

re: #229 3 wood

Good evening.

The early futures numbers for tomorrow are pointing about 0.25% down.

The Nikkei is down 0.65% and the Hang Seng is down 0.94%

Oil was down to $44.38 today

3 month LIBOR dropped

The TED spread dropped to 1.83 (it was 2.18 just a couple weeks ago).

So the banking rates are dropping, which should ease the credit situation.

The single most important aspect of getting this turned around is just that the waves of bad news have to end at some point. It's been month after month now of almost constant bad news. Once we can just get a few weeks in a row of no major bankruptcies and maybe even some good news, we should see some upward movement in the market.

Sorry 3 wood, as long as oil and gasoline keep going down I remain happy... No stocks, no 401, no retirement fund... No investments to loose... It's all good to me... ;)

237 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:47pm

re: #210 Killian Bundy

Ellison makes pilgrimage to Mecca

/oh boy, more historic firsts for Minnesota to be proud of

fcking idiot. him and his two- piece unstitched garment.

238 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:56pm

Meantime on an island off Costa Rica an old millionaire keeps having sex with frogs.

239 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:24:05pm

re: #230 2by2

ok, thx
his or her silence now is strange though, ..........hello, still logged in?

nope, she/he is out

240 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:24:17pm

re: #216 2by2

looked like a joke to me, and I thought the video clip was actually funny, had not seen that before.

The video clip is hilarious - and it may well have been posted to poke fun at creationists - but what makes it really funny is that it was made with a straight face - it wasn't a parody.

241 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:24:24pm

re: #219 Desert Dog

I hope 311 is not named for anything stupid like that, I love that band

good band..No I'm talking about a Detroit rap band that were bad dudes.
They were shown in a portrait from the movie 8 mile. Including the shooting in the recording studio in Down town Detroit..

242 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:24:24pm

re: #235 gmsc

Bonus Smurf trivia: How many female smurfs are there, and what are their names?

2 sharm, and baby... ;p

243 mattm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:25:03pm

I just saw a ad for a HUMMER red tag event. Only 26K and change for a H3.

244 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:25:14pm

re: #176 Alouette
Viagra will never help me now.

245 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:25:26pm

re: #229 3 wood

Good evening.

The early futures numbers for tomorrow are pointing about 0.25% down.

The Nikkei is down 0.65% and the Hang Seng is down 0.94%

Oil was down to $44.38 today

3 month LIBOR dropped

The TED spread dropped to 1.83 (it was 2.18 just a couple weeks ago).

So the banking rates are dropping, which should ease the credit situation.

The single most important aspect of getting this turned around is just that the waves of bad news have to end at some point. It's been month after month now of almost constant bad news. Once we can just get a few weeks in a row of no major bankruptcies and maybe even some good news, we should see some upward movement in the market.

Fear not - HELP is on the way...soon, all will be better

246 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:25:53pm

re: #235 gmsc

Bonus Smurf trivia: How many female smurfs are there, and what are their names?

One, and Sharmuta ;)

247 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:26:16pm

re: #236 doriangrey

No stocks, no 401, no retirement fund... No investments to loose... It's all good to me... ;)

Understood, but bear in mind, as those around you lose wealth, they buy less.

At some point that ripple effect will impact you.

248 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:03pm

re: #240 Jimmah

The video clip is hilarious - and it may well have been posted to poke fun at creationists - but what makes it really funny is that it was made with a straight face - it wasn't a parody.

I don't believe for one second that this Video was meant serious, it must be a parody/comedy act. I can't imagine that two or three people (the camera man included) could be collaborate such stupidity as a serious argument for creationism.

249 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:06pm

re: #222 doriangrey

Sorry to hear that... Scientists believe that the female raptor is the more dangerous of the two... ;p

You want to see dangerous... she is about to attack...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

250 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:09pm

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

One, and Sharmuta ;)

What do you call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck

251 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:20pm

re: #242 doriangrey

2 sharm, and baby... ;p

Nope - try again!

(Perhaps I should specify "on the TV show")

252 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:25pm

Gotta stop dropping my best lines on the DT.

253 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:44pm

re: #245 Desert Dog

Fear not - HELP is on the way...soon, all will be better

His plan will inflate the currency and the public works projects will take years to have any effect. The economywill adjust back to equilibrium any way by then.

254 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:07pm

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

One, and Sharmuta ;)

Nope. There's more than 1!

255 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #250 HoosierHoops

What do you call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck

*** SMACK ***

256 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:27pm

re: #243 mattm

I just saw a ad for a HUMMER red tag event. Only 26K and change for a H3.

maybe I should buy two..
Gosh that advertising is deceptive
/

257 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:38pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

You want to see dangerous... she is about to attack...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

I have bever seen a Glittered Disco Parrot...

258 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:50pm

re: #253 3 wood

His plan will inflate the currency and the public works projects will take years to have any effect. The economywill adjust back to equilibrium any way by then.

Blasphemy!

BURN THE HERETIC!

259 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:29:13pm

re: #243 mattm

I just saw a ad for a HUMMER red tag event. Only 26K and change for a H3.

wait a little and it will be 20 K

260 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:29:43pm

re: #253 3 wood

His plan will inflate the currency and the public works projects will take years to have any effect. The economywill adjust back to equilibrium any way by then.

Let's all hope this crap stops....and soon....Obama can do somethings, but it's up to the market to stabilize itself. I am concerned that too much government interference will distort and make things worse.....what's your take on all of these bailouts?

261 Metal Man  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:09pm

I don't have the equipment they are using here so I may be wrong but I would guess this technology is a version of a X-ray fluorescence spectrograph. The need for the particle accelerator generating X-rays is more about this paticular wavelength adding accuracy. X-ray of most energies can kill living tissue but would not destroy this type of sample. X-ray florescence is always less damaging than Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy since that requires an electron beam shot at the subject. And most other elemental tools are even more destructive.

Very cool that we can do this stuff and only add this so people that want to know why they picked this as the method have a couple search words.

262 Jurassic Slappass  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:15pm

re: #204 HoosierHoops
Let me state: OT
Pittsburg State University...............in Kansas.
I bartended/worked the door for 3 years at another bar.
One night, we had a bar clearing gang fight that included over 900 patrons that just could not get along. The city, state and campus police were called to control the......ahem.......distubance.
Ironically, nothing got broken.
However, the nights we had Male Dancers, the women damn near destroyed the place. Several thousands of dollars worth of damage.
Ironically, we ended up getting sued by a group of college wrestlers because one of our bouncer kicked the crap out of 5 of them. Courts proceedings suck

263 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:16pm

re: #257 OldLineTexan

I have never seen a Glittered Disco Parrot...

PIYF

264 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:22pm

re: #251 gmsc

3- Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

265 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:37pm

re: #257 OldLineTexan

I have bever seen a Glittered Disco Parrot...

I had just sprayed her with water from a bottle. She loves that.

266 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:42pm

re: #254 gmsc

Nope. There's more than 1!

Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

267 CharlieBravo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:44pm

the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths.

Is that like the split between libs and lizards ?

268 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:31:33pm

re: #264 Sharmuta

3- Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

Just why am I not surprised that you would know, eh? ;)

269 Dr. Stu  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:31:39pm

I still remember Ken Hamm from Answers in Genesis speaking at my church about how Archaeopteryx is not a real transitional fossil, and since there are no transitional fossils, evolution was incorrect. It was pretty clear after his presentation that if there was a discovery of anything resembling what he would call a transitional fossil, he would just move the goal post to accommodate his view. His god is a god of gaps, and he was making sure that the gap was always just the right size for god to fit in.

270 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:31:47pm

re: #250 HoosierHoops

What do you call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck

So that would make them Smuckers?

Mmmmm. Jam.

271 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:31:55pm

re: #255 gmsc

*** SMACK ***

It's not really an official smack unless Mandy gives it...
And last I heard Mandy was cooking Dinner..So I'm Safe..
*looking around*
/Have I told you how much i like you lately mandy?

//OY

272 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:32:14pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

No, it actually just smirks at me.

273 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:32:28pm

re: #247 3 wood

Understood, but bear in mind, as those around you lose wealth, they buy less.

At some point that ripple effect will impact you.

Maybe, maybe not. I work for a company that does about 50% Government contracting and 50% sporting industry equipment. We just signed a $3,000,000.00 3 year contract. There are only 14 people in my company. I'm going to be better off than most.

274 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:32:30pm

re: #267 CharlieBravo

the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths.

Is that like the split between libs and lizards ?

no, that is like the split between amoebas and primates...some evolve, others remain brainless, clueless and single-celled

275 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:17pm

re: #264 Sharmuta

3- Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

re: #266 FurryOldGuyJeans

Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

Yep! (Although the last one is Nanny Smurf, but I'll give it to you.)

276 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:21pm

Where are they?

277 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:23pm

re: #269 Dr. Stu

I still remember Ken Hamm from Answers in Genesis speaking at my church about how Archaeopteryx is not a real transitional fossil, and since there are no transitional fossils, evolution was incorrect. It was pretty clear after his presentation that if there was a discovery of anything resembling what he would call a transitional fossil, he would just move the goal post to accommodate his view. His god is a god of gaps, and he was making sure that the gap was always just the right size for god to fit in.

Yes- that's what they seem to do. Move the goal post and claim it creates two new gaps that must, must! be filled in.

278 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:31pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

You want to see dangerous... she is about to attack...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

Majestic animal, simply beautiful.

279 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:47pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

It's not really an official smack unless Mandy gives it...
And last I heard Mandy was cooking Dinner..So I'm Safe..
*looking around*
/Have I told you how much i like you lately mandy?

//OY

I'm Mandy when Mandy's not handy.

280 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:58pm

re: #269 Dr. Stu

I still remember Ken Hamm from Answers in Genesis speaking at my church about how Archaeopteryx is not a real transitional fossil, and since there are no transitional fossils, evolution was incorrect. It was pretty clear after his presentation that if there was a discovery of anything resembling what he would call a transitional fossil, he would just move the goal post to accommodate his view. His god is a god of gaps, and he was making sure that the gap was always just the right size for god to fit in.

I would say that Archaeopteryx is the BEST example of a transitional fossil that we have, because it has elements that are readily recognizable by the general public. It is a good visual teaching tool.

281 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:34:29pm

re: #264 Sharmuta

3- Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

re: #268 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just why am I not surprised that you would know, eh? ;)

...and here's your prize!

282 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:34:45pm

re: #273 doriangrey

Maybe, maybe not. I work for a company that does about 50% Government contracting and 50% sporting industry equipment. We just signed a $3,000,000.00 3 year contract. There are only 14 people in my company. I'm going to be better off than most.

I think perhaps my bro-in-law has been to visit you. Composites?

283 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:35:11pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

It's not really an official smack unless Mandy gives it...
And last I heard Mandy was cooking Dinner..So I'm Safe..
*looking around*
/Have I told you how much i like you lately mandy?

//OY

Actually, Mandy whacks you, I'm the one who smacks you.

284 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:35:15pm

re: #278 DEZes

Majestic animal, simply beautiful.

Thank you (and Maisey thanks you).

285 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:35:21pm

Judge gives Madoff investors their money back at Gov't expense.

Madoff investors get reprieve

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge Monday issued an order that may help investors swindled by what appears to be the largest Ponzi scheme in history recover some of their money.

The order, which was signed by Judge Louis Stanton in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, said customers of Bernard Madoff Investment Securities LLC are "in need of the protection" under the Securities Investor Protection Act of 1970.

SIPA created the Securities Investor Protection Corporation, a nonprofit that maintains a fund aimed at protecting investor funds from being mishandled if their broker defaults.

SIPC differs from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which insures all depositorsof failed banks against loss up to a certain dollar limit. SIPC does not bail out investors but rather replaces "missing stocks and other securities," when a brokerage is closed. SIPC typically will go to a federal judge and request a trustee be appointed to liquidate the firm. (Click here to read more)

SIPC has a reserve of slightly more than $1 billion, according to its Web site

Don't let the reserve amount concern you. The judge does not care about that.

I bet you most of these people will get reimbursed at taxpayer expense.

286 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:35:23pm

re: #279 gmsc

I'm Mandy when Mandy's not handy.

Mandy is always handy with a clue-by-four.... ;p

287 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:03pm

re: #267 CharlieBravo

the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths.

Is that like the split between libs and lizards ?

One is a pea brained group with unreliable breeding habits, a fascination with violence and chest puffery, and a cold blooded propensity to waste life
...
the others are lizards.

288 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:09pm

Geert Wilders is dead to me.....
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert


Wilders also revealed that if his Party for Freedom - which occupies nine of the Dutch parliament's 150 seats - runs in European parliamentary elections, he may join Vlaams Belang to form a larger right-wing bloc. Wilders had previously said he would not consider such an alliance.

Belgium's Jewish leadership has boycotted Vlaams Belang, citing its "strong anti-Semitic characteristics," and in an interview with Haaretz last year, Wilders cited this in explaining his decision to distance himself from the party.

But now, he said, "there are different sounds coming from Vlaams Belang. Some people say they have changed, even from the Jewish community.

"That they have changed their tune. Others say they haven't. I have to look into it and talk to people and study it more. I'm not saying it is impossible."


It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

289 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:11pm

re: #248 2by2

I don't believe for one second that this Video was meant serious, it must be a parody/comedy act. I can't imagine that two or three people (the camera man included) could be collaborate such stupidity as a serious argument for creationism.

Sadly, that dude is "for real". His name is Ray Comfort. This may or may not belong to him as well.

290 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:18pm

re: #282 OldLineTexan

I think perhaps my bro-in-law has been to visit you. Composites?

As a matter of fact yes...

291 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:42pm

re: #284 Walter L. Newton
I love birds, unfortunatly so do my cats.

292 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:00pm

re: #279 gmsc

I'm Mandy when Mandy's not handy.

Nice legs..Leans against pole..Whoops..ah sh*t!
LOL

293 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:10pm

The Kid's conervative, Christian school is fundamentalist in its approach to everything except science. Before I submitted his application, I talked to parents, teachers, principals and board members about evolution (this was before I joined LGF, let alone before I had heard about ID). I wanted him to learn the science of evolution in class but, be taught about the glory and power of God and Christ in chapel.

Everything they told me was true. As part of his science class' introduction to the solar system, he went on a field trip to a planetarium today and turned in a 3-D model of the Solar System. (I hope I never see another styrofoam ball again.)

The teacher has told them that God created the Universe billions of years ago, and that we're now discovering how vast is the Universe. In chapel, the preacher has told them that God's days and nights are nothing like ours.

Creation and Science CAN get along.

294 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:17pm

re: #285 3 wood

Judge gives Madoff investors their money back at Gov't expense.

Madoff investors get reprieve

Don't let the reserve amount concern you. The judge does not care about that.

I bet you most of these people will get reimbursed at taxpayer expense.

so crime pays. they all make out and we pay for it.

295 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:24pm

re: #248 2by2

I don't believe for one second that this Video was meant serious, it must be a parody/comedy act. I can't imagine that two or three people (the camera man included) could be collaborate such stupidity as a serious argument for creationism.

I understand your finding it hard to believe anyone could be that dumb. But creationists are that dumb. Here's O'Reilly talking to one of the guys in that video

296 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:32pm

re: #284 Walter L. Newton

Thank you (and Maisey thanks you).

The Reverend Henry Ward Beecher
Called a hen a most elegant creature,
The hen, pleased with that,
Laid an egg in his hat,
And thus did the hen reward Beecher.
~ Oliver Wendell Holmes

297 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:54pm

re: #291 DEZes

I love birds, unfortunatly so do my cats.

Can you say overconfidence?

298 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:38:01pm

re: #240 Jimmah

The video clip is hilarious - and it may well have been posted to poke fun at creationists - but what makes it really funny is that it was made with a straight face - it wasn't a parody.

you're right, I can't believe it, researched a little bit and yep it seems these guys are trying to make a case for G'd; boy that shakes me up!
They could apply to SNL with this and become a steady gig there.

299 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:38:19pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Oh. Fuck.

300 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:38:22pm

re: #290 doriangrey

As a matter of fact yes...

He's a Skunk Works guy...

301 Thanos  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:39:50pm

Geert goes to the dark side. That's it for me too.

302 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:39:52pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Geert Wilders is dead to me.....
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert

It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

Agreed. If he's thrown in with that crowd, he's no friend of ours.

303 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:39:57pm

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

I would say that Archaeopteryx is the BEST example of a transitional fossil that we have, because it has elements that are readily recognizable by the general public. It is a good visual teaching tool.

Nooooo! You cannot teach it! If you teach it -- well, then even kids from Christian homes will toke from the atheist bong, man!

Once the kids get hooked on this evolution stuff, they'll abandon everything! They'll turn their backs on God and Family! I've heard that the teachers tell 'em to burn their bibles!

/////whooo! okay, now I'm dizzy again....heh, that one was fun!

304 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:10pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

pamela got to him. I think I'm going to be ill.

305 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:21pm

re: #291 DEZes

I love birds, unfortunatly so do my cats.

So does Maisey. I feed her bits of chicken and turkey all the time.

306 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:22pm

re: #293 MandyManners

The Kid's conervative, Christian school is fundamentalist in its approach to everything except science. Before I submitted his application, I talked to parents, teachers, principals and board members about evolution (this was before I joined LGF, let alone before I had heard about ID). I wanted him to learn the science of evolution in class but, be taught about the glory and power of God and Christ in chapel.

Everything they told me was true. As part of his science class' introduction to the solar system, he went on a field trip to a planetarium today and turned in a 3-D model of the Solar System. (I hope I never see another styrofoam ball again.)

The teacher has told them that God created the Universe billions of years ago, and that we're now discovering how vast is the Universe. In chapel, the preacher has told them that God's days and nights are nothing like ours.

Creation and Science CAN get along.

Let me rephrase the first stentence: It is a school based on a fundamentalist church but, it is not hide-bound on the empirical subject of Creation.

307 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:46pm

re: #285 3 wood

Judge gives Madoff investors their money back at Gov't expense.

Madoff investors get reprieve

Don't let the reserve amount concern you. The judge does not care about that.

I bet you most of these people will get reimbursed at taxpayer expense.

Considering the amount of cash that disappeared down the hole I would seriously doubt any company has the reserves needed to pay back any appreciable percentage without yet another taxpayer bailout. I have heard the ponzied amount may be well over $1Trillion when the accounting is finally done.

308 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:47pm

re: #277 Sharmuta

Don't take it the wrong way, but the Smurfs don't seem to have sex organs.

309 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:41:25pm

re: #301 Thanos

Geert goes to the dark side. That's it for me too.

Same here.

310 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:41:42pm

re: #299 Occasional Reader

It's a bummer but I suspect it was bound to happen. Maybe this is just the inevitable conclusion. I wish things had gone differently but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

311 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:41:45pm

re: #300 OldLineTexan

He's a Skunk Works guy...

While we do do stuff with Lockheed Martin on occasion, we haven't signed any new contracts with them. This new contract is with General Atomic's for the US Navy.

312 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:41:53pm

re: #260 Desert Dog

what's your take on all of these bailouts?

I know this will not go over well here with some folks, but I think we had to do the bail out of the financial system. In fact, if we had done ir rightaway, we could have limited the economic damage to about 2 trillion rather than the 8 to 8.5 we will end up spending.

If the financial system had failed, it was 1931 allover again. As long as you have a functioning financial system you can recover.

But the rest of these things? No.

We will see double digit inflation when the economy turns around.

For those who put their dough into treasuries, be very careful. Once the volatility settles down and money starts flooding back into the market, investors will dump their treasuries and the market value will plummet. The government is going to have an incredible debt to fund so they will have to offer a high rate to get people to buy that much in treasuries.

313 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:12pm

re: #301 Thanos

Geert goes to the dark side. That's it for me too.

Luke: "Is the Dark Side stronger?"

Yoda: "Not stronger. Easier, quicker, more seductive."

Sadly, the qualities Yoda lists in The Empire Strikes Back are the very qualities that make a given thing appeal to politicians,

314 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:19pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Geert Wilders is dead to me.....
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert

It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

No, it's not gone. It's just going through some enormous growing pains. Stuff can shake out differently.

315 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:31pm

re: #297 Desert Dog

Can you say overconfidence?


Curiosity killed the cat!
Never seen it more appropriately displayed.

316 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:33pm

re: #308 Spare O'Lake

Don't take it the wrong way, but the Smurfs don't seem to have sex organs.

When have you seen a Smurf or Smurfette with their pants down?

317 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:38pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

It's a bummer but I suspect it was bound to happen. Maybe this is just the inevitable conclusion. I wish things had gone differently but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

Let us be honest- they are not counter-jihad. They are anti-islam.

318 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:40pm

re: #285 3 wood
My God, are there no consequences left? I'm going to the casino and if I loose 30 grand the government better bail me out!

319 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:58pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

It's a bummer but I suspect it was bound to happen. Maybe this is just the inevitable conclusion. I wish things had gone differently but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

are you talking abt. his hair?

320 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:05pm

re: #311 doriangrey

While we do do stuff with Lockheed Martin on occasion, we haven't signed any new contracts with them. This new contract is with General Atomic's for the US Navy.

Oh, I don't have any details...we'd have to shoot you, etc.etc.

My rocket science days are past...he's made himself a nice niche in the black toys arena.

321 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:06pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

Sure there is. Jettison the racists, make our own counter-jihad movement. In fact, one could say we've already got one.

322 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:10pm

re: #289 Slumbering Behemoth

Sadly, that dude is "for real". His name is Ray Comfort. This may or may not belong to him as well.

thx, speechless
alternate universe/reality comedy

323 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:16pm

re: #269 Dr. Stu

I still remember Ken Hamm from Answers in Genesis speaking at my church about how Archaeopteryx is not a real transitional fossil, and since there are no transitional fossils, evolution was incorrect. It was pretty clear after his presentation that if there was a discovery of anything resembling what he would call a transitional fossil, he would just move the goal post to accommodate his view. His god is a god of gaps, and he was making sure that the gap was always just the right size for god to fit in.

I believe in a God who laughs at such an arrogant little man.

The story goes that once at Brookhaven they ran an experiment and Everything Clicked. It was amazing, Unified Fiel Theory was proven and the mysteries of the universe were laid open before humity. Of course any such experiment demand at least two observations so the immediately set up the accelerator for another run and then just before they flipped the switch a warning light flashed. Some $0.25 failed and all the PhDs sweated while the electricians dug deep into the bowels of the contraption and replaced the part. They ran fixed it in 8 hours and ran the experiment again and got nothing. Never did, it took God 8 hours to rewrite and recompile his code for the universe. He laughs.

324 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:49pm

To all, a good night.

325 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:44:20pm

Welcome back, Mandy!

Oh, and make sure to ignore messages #255 and #279.
;)

326 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:44:24pm

re: #312 3 wood

For those who put their dough into treasuries, be very careful.

And as an alternative - besides ammunition and canned food - you'd recommend...?

327 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:44:40pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Geert Wilders is dead to me.....
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert
It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

Where has it gone?

328 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:44:57pm

re: #324 DEZes

To all, a good night.

G'Night, DEZes!

329 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:45:00pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

After reading only the blurb you posted (will read the rest in a bit), it sounds like he is looking into the possibility that VB has changed it's spots, but is not yet convinced. I'll read the rest in a bit (going on a beer run), but feel free to feed me crow if I've spoke too soon.

330 Brit in Japan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:45:16pm

re: #76 Charles

Charles, why do you hate Christians... ?

You know, after all the information you have posted on the true intentions of the DI, their dishonesty, the way they manipulate the fears and emotions of honest, good Christians, and completely mis-represent the views of good honest Christians the world over, I have to wonder why Christians are not rushing to these threads to thank you for spreading the word, and declare their hatred & rejection of the evil, lying, decidedly un-Christian DI (and the hoax that is ID).


BiJ

331 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:45:34pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

When have you seen a Smurf or Smurfette with their pants down?

Flasher Smurf appearing sans-briefly in the second season, but was quickly canned.

332 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:45:49pm

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning......

Most personally satisfying moment of the day:

Getting a hug from Pamella, having Robert sign my copy of Onward Muslim soldiers, and Standing on the balcony of the center with Pamella and Robert during lunch, decrying the damage LGF and CJ has done to the antijihad movement.

I think the whole tone of the meeting would have had the LGF/CJ sycophants spitting nails.


It's done.

333 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:46:17pm

re: #307 FurryOldGuyJeans

Considering the amount of cash that disappeared down the hole I would seriously doubt any company has the reserves needed to pay back any appreciable percentage without yet another taxpayer bailout. I have heard the ponzied amount may be well over $1Trillion when the accounting is finally done.

That is what I am saying. Some judge is going to give them their money back and stick the taxpayer with the bill. Just watch.

334 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:46:21pm

re: #325 gmsc

Welcome back, Mandy!

Oh, and make sure to ignore messages #255 and #279.
;)

Dang it! I was hoping you didn't point that out..We were teasing ya Mandy.

335 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:46:56pm

re: #333 3 wood

That is what I am saying. Some judge is going to give them their money back and stick the taxpayer with the bill. Just watch.

I hope you meant watch my wallet. ;)

336 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:47:24pm

re: #330 Brit in Japan

You know, after all the information you have posted on the true intentions of the DI, their dishonesty, the way they manipulate the fears and emotions of honest, good Christians, and completely mis-represent the views of good honest Christians the world over, I have to wonder why Christians are not rushing to these threads to thank you for spreading the word, and declare their hatred & rejection of the evil, lying, decidedly un-Christian DI (and the hoax that is ID).
BiJ

Me thinks that your question is not asked in all honest inquiry. What say you Brit in Japan?

337 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:47:27pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

Flasher Smurf appearing sans-briefly in the second season, but was quickly canned.

Junkie Smurf didn't go over so well, either.

338 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:20pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

This one time, at band camp....
/

339 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:24pm

re: #320 OldLineTexan

Oh, I don't have any details...we'd have to shoot you, etc.etc.

My rocket science days are past...he's made himself a nice niche in the black toys arena.

We don't do black toys, we're a satellite dish and housing fabrication facility. We do some R&D stuff but usually very mundane structural stuff. No shot ya kind of stuff at all. Well except for the mind control ray stuff, but even then no need to shoot anyone when we can make you forget that you even forgot what you weren't suppose to know... ;)

340 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:32pm

re: #337 Occasional Reader

Junkie Smurf didn't go over so well, either.

I don't think Jihadi Smurf was popular either.

341 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:35pm

re: #325 gmsc

Welcome back, Mandy!

Oh, and make sure to ignore messages #255 and #279.
;)

You are soooo smucked...

342 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:56pm

re: #337 Occasional Reader

Junkie Smurf didn't go over so well, either.

Burka Smurf joining the cast along with Leather Smurf?

343 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:49:02pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Geert Wilders is dead to me.....
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert

It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

Correction: the European counter-Jihad movement is gone.

344 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:49:31pm

re: #312 3 wood

But the rest of these things? No.

What about when a State Government becomes insolvent and can't pay its obligations. How does that go.

345 jwb7605  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:49:33pm

re: #333 3 wood

That is what I am saying. Some judge is going to give them their money back and stick the taxpayer with the bill. Just watch.

You mean watch for something like this?

346 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:49:55pm

re: #342 lifeofthemind

Burka Smurf joining the cast along with Leather Smurf?

And let's not even talk about Inflated Scrotum Smurf. Man, whose idea what that?

347 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:50:24pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning......

Most personally satisfying moment of the day:
Getting a hug from Pamella, having Robert sign my copy of Onward Muslim soldiers, and Standing on the balcony of the center with Pamella and Robert during lunch, decrying the damage LGF and CJ has done to the antijihad movement.

I think the whole tone of the meeting would have had the LGF/CJ sycophants spitting nails.

It's done.

By the way, did anyone ever see this?

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Every time I post this, some Spencer spy will wind up mentioned it on Jihad Watch or like-blogs. I love it.

348 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:50:25pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

When have you seen a Smurf or Smurfette with their pants down?

Your interest is noted with some concern. However I am a gentleman, and accordingly I do not kiss and tell.

349 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:50:27pm

re: #295 Jimmah

I understand your finding it hard to believe anyone could be that dumb. But creationists are that dumb. Here's O'Reilly talking to one of the guys in that video

Hah ! it's astonishing, who in the world is watching that and saying:
"Wow, yes that is really true, the banana fits so good in my hand, must be because G'd created the world in 7 days, literally. What about oranges? Apples? Cucumbers? (no tab to open there)
ha ha ha, insane!

350 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:50:39pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Very disappointing. But as someone who called for an outright ban on the Koran, not a huge surprise, I suppose.

351 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:51:46pm

re: #346 Occasional Reader

And let's not even talk about Inflated Scrotum Smurf. Man, whose idea what that?

No one will ever believe a thread got highjacked by smurfs..
It doesn't happen in the internet age.

352 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:51:55pm

re: #326 Occasional Reader

And as an alternative - besides ammunition and canned food - you'd recommend...?

For money that you need in under 5 years, I'd set up a ladder structure of FDIC insured CD's, timed for one rung of the ladder to mature about every 3 months or so, out to five years (so I'd cut it up into 20 chunks). That way I'd always be within 90 days of having cash available. Then, if I did not need it right away, I'd roll it over for 5 years and then wait for the next rung to mature.

Eventually, I'd be making 5 year rates, all insured on all that cash.

For money over 5 years up to 60% of my holdings, I'd still put it in a well diversified portfolio and not worry about the day to day changes in the market.

353 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:51:56pm

re: #339 doriangrey

We don't do black toys, we're a satellite dish and housing fabrication facility. We do some R&D stuff but usually very mundane structural stuff. No shot ya kind of stuff at all. Well except for the mind control ray stuff, but even then no need to shoot anyone when we can make you forget that you even forgot what you weren't suppose to know... ;)

He's in structures.

354 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:52:18pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning......

It's done.

355 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:52:24pm

re: #348 Spare O'Lake

Your interest is noted with some concern. However I am a gentleman, and accordingly I do not kiss and tell.

Well, since it has already be stated that they have no sex organs, and if you did kiss, then you didn't get blammo, did you. I wonder if that's the origins of blue balls?

356 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:52:44pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

It's a bummer but I suspect it was bound to happen. Maybe this is just the inevitable conclusion. I wish things had gone differently but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

Well, blood and soil racism is what Euros know. Opposing various and sundry totalitarianisms with tolerance, choice, democracy, civil and human rights and constitutionally guaranteed freedoms - not so much.

They always seem to resort, in the end, to opposing one kind of totalitarianism with another.

357 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:03pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

Flasher Smurf appearing sans-briefly in the second season, but was quickly canned.

Ummmmm- If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn?

358 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:04pm

re: #297 Desert Dog

Can you say overconfidence?

My sister's Siamese tomcat went after a red-tailed hawk once. The hawk must not have been expecting it, because he took off like he'd been shot. The cat seemed pretty pissed that it got away.

359 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:21pm

re: #339 doriangrey

We don't do black toys, we're a satellite dish and housing fabrication facility. We do some R&D stuff but usually very mundane structural stuff. No shot ya kind of stuff at all. Well except for the mind control ray stuff, but even then no need to shoot anyone when we can make you forget that you even forgot what you weren't suppose to know... ;)

RACIST!

360 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:26pm

re: #345 jwb7605

You mean watch for something like this?

$50B might be a much smaller amount than the $1T I have heard being bandied about as to the extent of the scam, but the ROI of $50B loss/$1B reserves means not a lot of spare change, even if there is no accounting fee accessed for finding and compensating the investors. Governmental bailout just jacked up by at least $100B more to cover this shit.

361 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:31pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning......

I saw this earlier this afternoon.
My stomach was thankfully, empty at the time.

362 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:32pm

re: #346 Occasional Reader

Man, whose idea whatwas that?

Okay, so the Iron Age beer is starting to kick in.

363 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:56pm

re: #357 revobob

Ummmmm- If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn?

Uh oh!

Sharmuta - please note that I had NOTHING to do with this!

364 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:01pm

re: #190 Rancher

Archaeopteryx. Not to be confused with Apteryx...a wingless bird with hairy feathers. BTW McNabb, two interceptions in the red zone. But he's not overrated. BTW, how 'bout them Cowboys?

I likem alot...the D is bcoming a beast...very formidable

365 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:04pm

re: #312 3 wood

On the financial system agreed. It could have been done much better I think, but damn if I know how. You had a post early on in the meltdown that had a good plan.

The auto makers, no, Ch. 11 and restructuring would lead to a better auto industry.

366 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:23pm

re: #357 revobob

Ummmmm- If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn?

Green.

367 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:24pm

I guess we shouldn't be surprised. Europe never did grasp the concepts we have here in America that allows our immigrants to assimilate. They just didn't have the historical background America did in the matter. Quite easy for them to slip into their centuries old blood and soil.

We in America never had an aristocracy or nobility like europe's. Anyone can come here and become an American. They just don't have the background needed to understand the beautiful simplicity of an ideology based on individual rights.

They want their tiered societies with aristocrats and plebes. They had to find new plebes- they just didn't realize what the drawbacks would be. Now they're finding out the hard way. They'll never get it.

368 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:32pm

re: #358 Spiny Norman

My sister's Siamese tomcat went after a red-tailed hawk once. The hawk must not have been expecting it, because he took off like he'd been shot. The cat seemed pretty pissed that it got away.

When I was living in Tucson, near the Saguaro Monument, I saw an owl grab, kill and fly off with a cat....it was over in a few seconds, the cat had no chance

369 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:32pm

re: #352 3 wood

Sounds quite reasonable. Merci.

370 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:33pm

re: #340 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't think Jihadi Smurf was popular either.

He was a blast, but only appeared once.

371 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:45pm

re: #360 FurryOldGuyJeans

$50B might be a much smaller amount than the $1T I have heard being bandied about as to the extent of the scam, but the ROI of $50B loss/$1B reserves means not a lot of spare change, even if there is no accounting fee accessed for finding and compensating the investors. Governmental bailout just jacked up by at least $100B more to cover this shit.

And some wonder why I keep saying, civil war with in 20 years. How long is it going to be before the American public is going to want to get THEIR money back, by force it needed?

372 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:03pm

re: #344 Mich-again

What about when a State Government becomes insolvent and can't pay its obligations. How does that go.

How long do you want to support them for?

Those state governments have to adjust their spending to their income.

I'd tell those state governments to go figure it out for themselves. But at the same time, they need protection from unfunded mandates from the Fed's too.

373 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:24pm

re: #351 HoosierHoops

No one will ever believe a thread got highjacked by smurfs..

We have to try to understand the root causes of the Smurfs' rage and frustration.

374 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:32pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Green.


Linky?

375 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:42pm

re: #362 Occasional Reader

Okay, so the Iron Age beer is starting to kick in.

Now you are finding some of these ideas exciting Ja? Your typing it goes all funny at these thoughts? Nothing to fear, sit back and tell me all about it.

376 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:43pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

We have to try to understand the root causes of the Smurfs' rage and frustration.

Why do they Smurf us?

377 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:53pm

re: #345 jwb7605

Yes.

378 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:54pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

We have to try to understand the root causes of the Smurfs' rage and frustration.

I said it above, blue balls.

379 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:56:01pm

re: #293 MandyManners

It certainly can coexist. My senior biology teacher taught evolution, but made it plain that she believed that was the mechanism by which God created life on earth.

That was AP biology. When the AP test came, all but one of the students in the class passed it, the vast majority with a score of 5, which was the highest possible score.

380 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:56:35pm

re: #353 OldLineTexan

He's in structures.

We do electronic structures, that's usually inside shop speak for microwave capture horns. We make stuff for the Predator, ie structures, but again, it's not black toy stuff. And it's also for General Atomic's.

381 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:56:54pm

re: #356 Salamantis

The two-party system ends up with a struggle over the middle ground while the parliamentary system ends up with rival extremists forming unholy alliances.

382 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:00pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

And some wonder why I keep saying, civil war with in 20 years. How long is it going to be before the American public is going to want to get THEIR money back, by force it needed?

Right now too many people just have their hand out to scoop up some of that free government cash the Feds are handing out.

383 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:11pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

And some wonder why I keep saying, civil war with in 20 years. How long is it going to be before the American public is going to want to get THEIR money back, by force it needed?

Ohferpete'ssake. There will be no civil war, sorry to disappoint. We will muddle through.

384 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:22pm

re: #349 2by2

It's the biodegradable wrapper that does it for me ;)

385 Brit in Japan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:38pm

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

Me thinks that your question is not asked in all honest inquiry. What say you Brit in Japan?

It wasn't a question, but it was honest.

I used to be a moonbat. The first time I was directed to this site a few years ago, it was by a friend during an argument about either the British Govt or the BBC. I couldn't believe some of the things being said here about good old England, or the Beeb, and initially rejected them, and got angry with Charles.

But, once I followed the links, read the news articles, and saw for myself what my Govt and the Beeb was doing, my position changed. I got angry with the Govt and the Beeb for lying to me! I want to do something about it now. And I thank LGF for being the catalyst for me to shed my moonbattery.

We can see that the DI is lying to Christians. They tell Christians they must reject the facts of evolution to believe in God. Why aren't they angry?


BiJ.

386 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:56pm

Even more astonishing, It looks like the participants are turning on Daniel Pipes now, because he makes the distinction between radical Islam and Islam in general. They imply that his arguement was "weak".

387 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:57pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning......

Most personally satisfying moment of the day:
Getting a hug from Pamella, having Robert sign my copy of Onward Muslim soldiers, and Standing on the balcony of the center with Pamella and Robert during lunch, decrying the damage LGF and CJ has done to the antijihad movement.

I think the whole tone of the meeting would have had the LGF/CJ sycophants spitting nails.

It's done.

The damage that Charles and LGF has done? WTFF? Sucking up to neo-Nazis isn't damaging enough? What clueless morons.

Yeah, 70 years ago the Fascists were the only ones opposing the Blosheviks, too, I suppose. Bah!

388 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:01pm

re: #343 Irish Rose

Correction: the European counter-Jihad movement is gone.

This is the "Kiss of death" for the counter-Jihad movement in America more than in Europe. VB, FN, and the BNP are gaining popularity in Europe. It might even increase the viability of counter-jihad in Europe. In America if you are a know associate of Nazi sympathizers, photographed with someone who lays flowers on Nazi graves, etc, it's all over with. The cable news channels might interview you like the Phelps Clan as an outrageous novelty act but all mainstream credibility is gone. The counter-Jihad movement has transformed itself into an alliance of racists. End of story. There is almost no credibility left.

389 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:08pm

re: #370 jcm

He was a blast, but only appeared once.

LOL!

390 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:11pm

re: #365 jcm

You had a post early on in the meltdown that had a good plan.

Thanks.

If we had acted early on the financial system, we could have limited this recession to maybe 6 months.

391 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:33pm

re: #383 Occasional Reader

Ohferpete'ssake. There will be no civil war, sorry to disappoint. We will muddle through.

Well, I could agree with you if we let the government continue with effort to somatize us with make busy politics, media, entertainment and the occasional control of our lives.

392 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:41pm

re: #372 3 wood

I'd tell those state governments to go figure it out for themselves. But at the same time, they need protection from unfunded mandates from the Fed's too.

True, but they have enough of their own unfunded mandates to worry about before they even think about the ones from the Feds.

All entitlements are unfunded mandates.

393 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:42pm

re: #374 revobob

Linky?

I was just kidding.

394 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:54pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

Bravo!

395 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:59:09pm

re: #365 jcm

On the financial system agreed. It could have been done much better I think, but damn if I know how. You had a post early on in the meltdown that had a good plan.

The auto makers, no, Ch. 11 and restructuring would lead to a better auto industry.

Yes bankruptcy exists for a purpose. Assets must get revalued and capital reallocated to productive use. If in Free Speech you must have the Right to be Wrong in Free Markets you must have the Right to Fail. Same as in the schools, when failure is impossible no one learns. Charity yes but the market must be allowed to work.

396 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:00:28pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Well, I could agree with you if we let the government continue with effort to somatize us with make busy politics, media, entertainment and the occasional control of our lives.

Are you down wind from the brewery this evening, Walter? I do not think we are headed towards a civil war. I do think we are heading down a slippery slope of more governmental controls. When everyone is on the dole, who will rebel?

397 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:00:34pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

How long is it going to be before the American public is going to want to get THEIR money back, by force it needed?

The people who are really going to get stuck with this bill (our kids and grand kids) are not old enough yet to do anything about it.

398 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:00:35pm

re: #387 Spiny Norman

The damage that Charles and LGF has done? WTFF? Sucking up to neo-Nazis isn't damaging enough? What clueless morons.


Charles' sin appears to be the fact that he drew attention to it.

399 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:00:40pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Well, I could agree with you if we let the government continue with effort to somatize us with make busy politics, media, entertainment and the occasional control of our lives.

Um... so you want a civil war?

400 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:01:10pm

re: #393 Dark_Falcon
I know, but couldn't resist the automatic lizard response- one of the things I value about this blog is that no BS goes long unchallenged- I still have to figure out how to do links myself tho...

401 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:01:20pm

I am just completely disgusted. If it were not for Charles and LGF, it's unlikely I would have learned about islam at all- yet these assholes who either are racists or want to give racists a pass are denigrating him after all the help and support he gave them throughout the years. They should be ASHAMED!

Charles has done more good than those people could ever dream of doing themselves.

402 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:01:41pm

Got to go.

Later.

403 VioletTiger  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:01:59pm

[Link: dsc.discovery.com...]

Actual feathers found in amber, 100 million years old. I wonder what color they were?

404 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:02:03pm

re: #399 Occasional Reader

Um... so you want a civil war?

No he does not, he has said many times that he emphatically does not, he like myself fears that it is inevitable.

405 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:02:17pm

re: #385 Brit in Japan
Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill

406 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:02:17pm

re: #385 Brit in Japan

It wasn't a question, but it was honest.

I used to be a moonbat. The first time I was directed to this site a few years ago, it was by a friend during an argument about either the British Govt or the BBC. I couldn't believe some of the things being said here about good old England, or the Beeb, and initially rejected them, and got angry with Charles.

But, once I followed the links, read the news articles, and saw for myself what my Govt and the Beeb was doing, my position changed. I got angry with the Govt and the Beeb for lying to me! I want to do something about it now. And I thank LGF for being the catalyst for me to shed my moonbattery.

We can see that the DI is lying to Christians. They tell Christians they must reject the facts of evolution to believe in God. Why aren't they angry?

BiJ.

Well, I would imagine that the majority of Christians that are that far engrossed with the DI, don't tend to visit sites like LGF.

And do you know what's it's like to be totally surrounded by like-minded people. Group pressure works wonders in setting where someone doesn't want you to reach to far out to taste another version of the "truth."

DI is a cult, in all the classical sense.

407 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:02:22pm

re: #401 Sharmuta

Charles has done more good than those people could ever dream of doing themselves.

And THAT is why Charles and lgf are hated so.

408 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:00pm

re: #404 doriangrey

No he does not, he has said many times that he emphatically does not, he like myself fears that it is inevitable.

Well, if one first says "it's coming", then says that the only reasons that might prevent it are BAD reasons, it sure gets hard to distinguish that from "want".

409 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:02pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

This is the "Kiss of death" for the counter-Jihad movement in America more than in Europe. VB, FN, and the BNP are gaining popularity in Europe. It might even increase the viability of counter-jihad in Europe. In America if you are a know associate of Nazi sympathizers, photographed with someone who lays flowers on Nazi graves, etc, it's all over with. The cable news channels might interview you like the Phelps Clan as an outrageous novelty act but all mainstream credibility is gone. The counter-Jihad movement has transformed itself into an alliance of racists. End of story. There is almost no credibility left.

There will be another war in Europe. The only question is when.

And the USA will eventually have to end it. Again.

410 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:19pm

Euro-Americans.... there is a reason your ancestors left.

411 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:26pm

re: #395 lifeofthemind

Yes bankruptcy exists for a purpose. Assets must get revalued and capital reallocated to productive use. If in Free Speech you must have the Right to be Wrong in Free Markets you must have the Right to Fail. Same as in the schools, when failure is impossible no one learns. Charity yes but the market must be allowed to work.

I remember writing a paper about 16 years ago now, about how financial systems and models matched similar biological models in overall behaviour and organic structure. It was met with a hoo haa of people who didnt even bother to read it, often misquoted in the local university magazine and dubbed to be too 'Keynsian' in its thinking.

I got a call a month ago from someone who came across the same paper a month ago and read it from end to end (no .. actually READ it). He thought it was brilliant and some of the ideas could be used by him in his paper.

I said yes. After all .. who am I to interfere with progress?

412 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:41pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Thanks. That means a lot to me.

413 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:48pm

re: #399 Occasional Reader

Um... so you want a civil war?

Just because one sees something as a distinct possibility doesn't mean they want it to happen.

414 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:03pm

re: #387 Spiny Norman

The damage that Charles and LGF has done? WTFF? Sucking up to neo-Nazis isn't damaging enough? What clueless morons.

This post was put up by "km" from LGF2, btw... who apparently hates Charles so much that he/she/it feels compelled to crosspost to Jihadwatch.

415 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:17pm

re: #409 Spiny Norman


There will be another war in Europe. The only question is when.

And the USA will eventually have to end it. Again.


The way things are headed now it is certainly a possibility.

416 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:36pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Well, I could agree with you if we let the government continue with effort to somatize us with make busy politics, media, entertainment and the occasional control of our lives.

somatize then sodomize til resistance is futile

417 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:42pm

re: #314 MandyManners

You certainly can't win if you give up. For myself, I was raised from the time I was a small child that it was better to die fighting than to live a slave.

That is one of my family's values. I don't see me deciding to live another way at this late a date.

418 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:50pm

re: #399 Occasional Reader

Um... so you want a civil war?

Here we go again. No, I am not asking for it, don't want to see it in this country, but I am a realist, and that's the trend I see, the grass roots feel I am getting.

re: #397 3 wood

The people who are really going to get stuck with this bill (our kids and grand kids) are not old enough yet to do anything about it.

Right... but in 20 years... ?

419 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:52pm

re: #414 Irish Rose

This post was put up by "km" from LGF2, btw... who apparently hates Charles so much that he/she/it feels compelled to crosspost to Jihadwatch.

Which banned troll is "km"?

420 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:05:27pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Euro-Americans.... there is a reason your ancestors left.

And why their descendants only like to return for an occasional visit to see THE PAST....notice how you do not go to Europe to see the future?

421 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:05:35pm

re: #416 albusteve

somatize then sodomize til resistance is futile

So you agree with me, we are getting fucked?

422 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:04pm

re: #395 lifeofthemind

Yes bankruptcy exists for a purpose. Assets must get revalued and capital reallocated to productive use. If in Free Speech you must have the Right to be Wrong in Free Markets you must have the Right to Fail. Same as in the schools, when failure is impossible no one learns. Charity yes but the market must be allowed to work.

That's one of the big difference between conservatives and liberals.

Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity. Outcome is a whole other matter, succeed, fail, live with the consequences of all your decisions. With laws only to prevent dishonest behavior.

Liberals believe in equality of outcome. No matter what decisions are made, government will make it all the same in the end.

423 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:05pm