X-Raying an Archaeopteryx

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Science • Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 5:57 pm PST • Views: 241

Scientists at Stanford are doing some interesting research into the evolution of birds, using the latest X-ray technology and an archaeopteryx fossil originally discovered in Germany: Stanford scientists scan birdlike dinosaur for evolution clues.

Stanford scientists are using powerful X-ray beams on a rare feathered dinosaur that perished more than 150 million years ago in an effort to see its inner tissues and perhaps someday understand the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths.

At SLAC’s Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lightsource in Menlo Park, the scientists are using the beams to scan one of the world’s most valuable fossils, delicately transported by pickup truck from its home in a Wyoming dinosaur museum.

The X-rays, generated by a particle accelerator, cause tiny amounts of a dozen chemicals to glow without harming the ancient fossil, believed to be the earliest representation of a bird.

Scientists hope the chemicals will correlate with organs, blood vessels and other interior parts of the creature, called archaeopteryx, or “ancient wing,” which has both reptilian and avian features. When compared with scans of other fossils, such anatomical information could help explain evolutionary changes.

“What we are hoping is that we will learn more information than just what you can see with your eyes,” said Uwe Bergmann, staff scientist at SSRL. “The body decays, but the chemical elements — silicon, calcium, potassium, iron, all the chemicals which make up living animals — some of them will be preserved.”

What is visible in stone is just a faint imprint of a physical feature, such as a feather, he said. But tissues have unique chemical characteristics that aid in their identification. For instance, calcium would suggest a bone; iron might mean blood. By measuring the distribution of these chemicals in a fossil, it may be possible to re-create anatomy — and hence, evolution.

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1 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:57:53pm

Cue the whiny moonbats...

2 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:59:17pm

I hope they got the appropriate consent forms signed, and complied with HIPA.

//

3 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 5:59:25pm

But there are no transitional fossils!
/

4 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:00:28pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

But there are no transitional fossils!
/

It merely created two more gaps!

5 moogie  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:00:48pm

Fascinating!

6 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:01:52pm

I hope that those fossils can produce a valid birth certificate! Clearly they are not US-born citizens.

/

7 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:09pm

Better headline: Evolution researchers trying to ID fossil

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:21pm

The link is not working for me.

9 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:45pm

re: #7 gmsc

Better headline: Evolution researchers trying to ID fossil

*rimshot*

10 Tumulus11  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:02:59pm

. A lizard bird from before registration.

11 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:03:08pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Doesn't work for me either.

12 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:03:25pm

re: #10 Tumulus11

. A lizard bird from before registration.

Oddly enough- the link is saying something about registration.

13 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:04:11pm

re: #9 gclaghorn

*rimshot*

Here's how we do it at LGF: *rimshot*
;)

14 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:04:37pm
15 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:04:55pm

re: #13 gmsc

Here's how we do it at LGF: *rimshot*
;)

Saved for future reference. ;)

16 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:05:26pm

Try the link again...

17 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:05:28pm

re: #10 Tumulus11

. A lizard bird from before registration.

Ah, the little known pre-registration era...

18 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:06:05pm

Competition: guess the post number of the first creationist to claim that archaeopteryx is a fake.

19 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:06:50pm

re: #16 Charles

Try the link again...

It works now- thank you. Though- I had to refresh the page.

20 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:06:51pm

re: #16 Charles

Try the link again...

It works now!

21 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:07:23pm

re: #18 Jimmah

Competition: guess the post number of the first creationist to claim that archaeopteryx is a fake.

Square the derivative of the Nikkei Index...subtract 7...carry the 5...divide by pi...

109.

22 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:08:44pm

Read this article yesterday. If what they are doing works, this will open up a whole new era of paleontology. I did recall seeing once a bunch of paleontologists that cat scanned an albertasauros skull that was still encased in the rock it was found in. IIRC correctly they found a lot of interesting structures in the skull.

23 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:08:58pm
Archaeopteryx holds a unique place in history. When the first specimen was discovered about a century and a half ago, just a year after Charles Darwin published "On the Origin of Species," its shared reptile-avian features provided the strongest evidence yet for the theory of evolution.

And the evidence to support evolution has only grown.

24 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:09:09pm

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

Aeop to their old teryx again, I see.

I couldn't decide whether to upding or downding you for that, so I'm doing both.

25 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:09:38pm

I sure hope no Bird Dinosaurs were injured in the making of that scan!

26 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:09:43pm

re: #21 gclaghorn

Square the derivative of the Nikkei Index...subtract 7...carry the 5...divide by pi...

109.

Really? I give it 58 posts. Or barring that 300.

/either real early or real late.

27 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:10:08pm

Don't make it mad.

You wouldn't like it when it gets mad.

28 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:10:14pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

The link is not working for me.

Try it again.
You can click on the photo and get a bigger view.
I wish I had the knowledge to pick out which part is which from that picture.

29 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:11:04pm

SLAC! WHOO for modern technology! Time to examine the universe, all the way down to the quarks, all the way back to the Big Bang!
(Yes,i'm hyper, why do you ask?)

30 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:11:09pm
"We could build up a library of samples,'' Bergmann said. "We'd start out with parts of creatures that are still in existence — let's say, a bird's feather, or maybe the shells of turtles or skins of lizards. Then we could do more fossils. Once you have all that information together, it's possible to compare.''

Whoah there! Before we go too far . . .

31 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:13:14pm

re: #30 gmsc

Whoah there! Before we go too far . . .

I am sure we can use some lizards that turned to the darkside. Hmmm also some troll in there too. Maybe we can see the slide from lizard to troll with this new application of technology.

32 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:14:21pm

re: #30 gmsc

Whoah there! Before we go too far . . .

I nominate the trolls to go first.

33 Bob Dillon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:14:40pm

re: #30 gmsc

Whoah there! Before we go too far . . .

And we thot we were rockin' last century.

34 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:14:53pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout

Charles fixed it.

35 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:15:38pm

Here's a nice piece proving that archaeopteryx is not just another species of bird: The Archaeopteryx Challenge

36 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:18:10pm

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.

37 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:19:17pm

re: #36 VegasRick

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.

Come join the fun!

38 Cdat88  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:20:18pm

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

39 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:21:04pm

re: #37 gclaghorn

I thought that was finished...gosh. I'll go and have a look.

40 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:22:01pm

I'm trying to recall a story I read a few years ago in National Geographic. They ran a cover story about a winged/feathered dinosaur found in china. But I think the locals had faked the fossils, because Nat. Geo retracted the story and apologized to their readership. Does anyone else remember this?

41 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:22:13pm

re: #39 Jimmah

I thought that was finished...gosh. I'll go and have a look.

Maybe so...the troll isn't going for AnneFrance's record, after all.

42 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:23:08pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Laughable.

43 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:23:54pm

re: #41 gclaghorn

Maybe so...the troll isn't going for AnneFrance's record, after all.

Nope, just got the stick. Socky, Socky...

44 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:24:08pm

The archaeopteryx is also noted for great (if pricey) outdoor wear.

45 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:24:30pm

re: #43 CynicalConservative

Nope, just got the stick. Socky, Socky...

Good riddance.

46 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:25:13pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

Tell me you're freakin' joking.

47 MAV  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:25:23pm
48 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:25:32pm

re: #45 gclaghorn

Good riddance.

Came in late to the discussion, but got the gist quickly.

49 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:34pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

Seriously- you're going to have to do better to make the case for ID than a banana.

50 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:35pm

re: #42 Sharmuta

I think Cdat88 intended it to poke fun at creationists.

51 cwm3  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:45pm

Here's a news flash: the researchers will find evidence of evolution. They are starting the research with the answer as a planted axiom.

52 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:26:49pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

They've convinced me!

It's Turtles All The Way Down!

The banana proves it!

53 legalpad  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:27:23pm

re: #36 VegasRick

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.


I'm switching! LOL!

54 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:27:37pm

re: #46 gclaghorn

Also see: Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!

Although these videos seem like parodies, they are not. They are creationist videos.

55 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:28:18pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Also see: Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!

Although these videos seem like parodies, they are not. They are creationist videos.

That's a keeper. I'm saving it.

56 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:28:36pm

re: #36 VegasRick

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.

Stinky whacked it.
Buh-bye!

57 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:28:45pm

re: #51 cwm3

Here's a news flash: the researchers will find evidence of evolution. They are starting the research with the answer as a planted axiom.

Oh, dear.

58 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:29:54pm

re: #50 Jimmah

I disagree, but Cdat is welcome to elaborate.

Personally, my flag went off with the inclusion of "88" in the nic but it gave a cover story. Time will tell, though.

59 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:30:21pm

Cdat88, don't keep us in suspense. I need to know if I have to change the upding I gave you to a downding.

60 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:31:11pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

You're right - it's just like the modern banana we all know and love had been designed that way - and there's proof this is indeed the case! However, the designer isn't who you might think . . .

However, these bananas still give this atheist nightmares.

61 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:31:31pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Also see: Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!

Although these videos seem like parodies, they are not. They are creationist videos.

Oh. My. Something.

I think my IQ dropped five points just from watching that.

62 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:31:53pm

re: #46 gclaghorn

Tell me you're freakin' joking.

Either he's serious, or he's joking and forgot the sarcasm slashies. Either one earns a downding.

63 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:32:03pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Oh. My. Something.

I think my IQ dropped five points just from watching that.

But you haven't seen the "Bananas in Pajamas" video yet!

64 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:32:20pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

Personally, my flag went off with the inclusion of "88" in the nic

Good eye.

65 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:32:45pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Didn't you see how it's curved towards the mouth?

66 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:32:46pm

re: #64 Occasional Reader

Thanks, Big Guy.

67 bombay311  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:19pm

Those arent the fossils I knew

68 lesbianrainforest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:22pm
For instance, calcium would suggest a bone; iron might mean blood. By measuring the distribution of these chemicals in a fossil, it may be possible to re-create anatomy — and hence, evolution.

Wow! re-creating evolution. Sound's like Steven Wright's..."I put instant coffee in a microwave and went back in time."

69 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:22pm

re: #51 cwm3

Here's a news flash: the researchers will find evidence of evolution. They are starting the research with the answer as a planted axiom.

No, that would be creationist-dogma-driven IDers...hey, wait; they don't DO any research:

[Link: ase.tufts.edu...]

70 HelloDare  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:33:46pm

I stand by everything I said in the previous X-Raying an Archaeopteryx thread.

71 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:34:43pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Also see: Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!

Although these videos seem like parodies, they are not. They are creationist videos.

OHMYGOD!

A bunch of freaking ignoramuses! Not a freaking clue as to the theories on the origins of life.

It's self parody, of the worst kind.

72 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:07pm

re: #59 Jimmah

Cdat88, don't keep us in suspense. I need to know if I have to change the upding I gave you to a downding.

That you are hearing *crickets* doesn't bode well.

73 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:23pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

That you are hearing *crickets* doesn't bode well.

And he is still logged in. Hello? Anybody there?

74 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:29pm

re: #56 jcm

Stinky whacked it.
Buh-bye!

Did it get to over 100 - dings?

75 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:36:53pm

To quote my 8 year old: "Dinosaurs are COOL!"

76 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:37:39pm

Charles, why do you hate Christians... I mean, birds... I mean, dinosaurs... I mean, whatever! Why do you hate whatever?!

77 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:37:40pm

re: #74 VegasRick

Did it get to over 100 - dings?

No

78 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:37:43pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

I disagree, but Cdat is welcome to elaborate.

Personally, my flag went off with the inclusion of "88" in the nic but it gave a cover story. Time will tell, though.

"88"? What significance is there?

79 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:05pm

re: #65 Jimmah

Didn't you see how it's curved towards the mouth?

The peanut butter? No. I've heard of "crunchy" peanut butter, but not the "curved" kind.

/yes, yes, I know you thought I meant el platano

80 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:09pm

I love these fossils! Beautiful. When my daughter was that golden age 6 - 8 or 9 years--we had the coolest fossils collected from museums, field trips, stone quarries. When she was still pretty little, 5 maybe, we actually found a fossil leaf imprint on a piece of gravel from her swingset.

sorry. baby needs to come home for Christmas this week 'cause she is missed

81 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:20pm

re: #78 VegasRick

"88"? What significance is there?

It's nazi code-speak.

82 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:20pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

That you are hearing *crickets* doesn't bode well.

Yeah...I just changed it to a downding.

83 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:35pm

re: #77 CynicalConservative

No

Too bad.

84 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:38:46pm

re: #78 VegasRick

isn't '88' some code word for neo nazi's or adolf hitler?

85 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

It's nazi code-speak.

Twisted "SS"?

86 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:39:31pm

re: #84 chicagodudewhotrades

isn't '88' some code word for neo nazi's or adolf hitler?

I didn't know that.

87 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:39:54pm

re: #85 VegasRick

Twisted "SS"?

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

88 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:12pm

re: #36 VegasRick

I think everybody is still on the McCain thread stomping the troll.

I finally figured it out. duh.

89 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:13pm

re: #80 Joan

I love these fossils! Beautiful. When my daughter was that golden age 6 - 8 or 9 years--we had the coolest fossils collected from museums, field trips, stone quarries. When she was still pretty little, 5 maybe, we actually found a fossil leaf imprint on a piece of gravel from her swingset.

sorry. baby needs to come home for Christmas this week 'cause she is missed

I bet should could name them all and give a detailed account of what they ate, where they lived, what era, etc, etc...kids just love those dinos!

90 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:25pm

re: #83 VegasRick

Too bad.

Not too late, I don't think the posts were deleted, just the sock.

91 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:29pm

re: #75 Desert Dog

To quote my 8 year old: "Dinosaurs are COOL!"

Which is why Adam and Eve rode them.

92 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:38pm

re: #75 Desert Dog

To quote my 8 year old: "Dinosaurs are COOL!"

The cool thing about kids and dinosaurs is it's usually their first foray into science. Kids do love dinosaurs and I think encouraging that love, and exposing them to science can benefit them greatly for the remainder of their lives.

93 transient  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:47pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

Oh, yuk.

94 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:47pm

re: #85 VegasRick

Twisted "SS"?

It stands for the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Hence, 88 is Nazi code-speak for HH, or Heil Hitler.

95 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:40:56pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

Learned something new today. Happens everytime I log onto LGF.

96 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:41:15pm

re: #76 Charles

Charles, why do you hate Christians... I mean, birds... I mean, dinosaurs... I mean, whatever! Why do you hate whatever?!

You forgot x-rays... Why do you hate x-rays... ? Inquiring minds want to know... No need to know... ;)

97 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:41:15pm

Can you imagine going into a hospital where all the doctors believe in Intelligent Design?

"Sir, good news: we've finally diagnosed your condition!"

"So you can start treating it?"

"Well, no, but we can definitely say it sure looks designed!"

98 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:41:22pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

Beat me to it!

99 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:41:50pm

re: #90 CynicalConservative

Not too late, I don't think the posts were deleted, just the sock.

I stand corrected, at -103.

100 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:42:08pm

re: #76 Charles

Charles, why do you hate Christians... I mean, birds... I mean, dinosaurs... I mean, whatever! Why do you hate whatever?!

See! You left out the turtles again.
///

101 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:42:20pm

re: #85 VegasRick

Twisted "SS"?

Eight letter of the alphabet H, repeated twice it's HH.. Heil Hitler...

102 bryantms  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:42:27pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

That was the funniest thing anyone's said all day!

103 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:42:54pm

re: #101 doriangrey

Eight letter of the alphabet H, repeated twice it's HH.. Heil Hitler...

How about FOADHHA's, what does that stand for?

104 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:43:25pm

re: #90 CynicalConservative

Not too late, I don't think the posts were deleted, just the sock.

I think I used up all of my alloted down dings, can I borrow a couple of yours?

105 HelloDare  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:43:25pm

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Okay maybe not gay but effeminate Take a look at the wrist and leg action. Seriously.

106 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:03pm
107 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:42pm

re: #103 Desert Dog

How about FOADHHA's, what does that stand for?

F off and die HH Assholes? Meh... works for me... ;)

108 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:47pm

re: #105 HelloDare

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Okay maybe not gay but effeminate Take a look at the wrist and leg action. Seriously.

Wow! It's a Myassissaur!

109 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:52pm

re: #105 HelloDare

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Okay maybe not gay but effeminate Take a look at the wrist and leg action. Seriously.

That fossil is one singular sensation, every little step it takes.

110 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:44:57pm

re: #107 doriangrey

F off and die HH Assholes? Meh... works for me... ;)

One up ding for you!

111 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:45:20pm

Earlier this year, I was at the Field museum downtown and saw "sue' the T-Rex. That is a cool fossil. I took some pics from ground level and then went up to a balcony overlooking it and took some more. I made sure I had other people in all the photos to give 'Sue' some scale. Real cool trip, I should go again.

112 CynicalConservative  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:45:25pm

re: #104 VegasRick

I think I used up all of my alloted down dings, can I borrow a couple of yours?

We're rationed?!?!

///oh noes...

113 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:46:41pm

re: #105 HelloDare

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Okay maybe not gay but effeminate Take a look at the wrist and leg action. Seriously.

That fossil could probably dance really well AND pick out matching accessories for your shoes too!

114 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:46:44pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

And the evidence to support evolution has only grown.

that is a very important point.
the more research that is done, the more we fill in the blanks and see that evolution is more than a theory.
creationism tags along trying to refute the evidence that science uncovers.

115 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:46:53pm

re: #111 chicagodudewhotrades

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

116 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:47:33pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

It's nazi code-speak.

So potentially we have a creationist fascist troll - and one that is fully dumb enough to use the banana clip as a weapon...gosh.

117 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:47:52pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

Ja, Ich sehe das Boot letztes Jahr

118 irongrampa  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:48:02pm

re: #111 chicagodudewhotrades

Impressive and frightening, isn't it?

119 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:48:17pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

No, he made bail and headed back to Springfield!
*rimshot*

120 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:48:50pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

I believe it's the U505

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:06pm

Me? Or does it look a little like "Woodstock's" ancestor.

122 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:08pm

re: #115 rawmuse


Yeah. U-505 is still here too. I have also seen that in the past year too. And even better, both museum trips were with fellow lizards in town for the weekend. I think us lizards like museums. :)

123 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:27pm

re: #79 Occasional Reader

The peanut butter? No. I've heard of "crunchy" peanut butter, but not the "curved" kind.

/yes, yes, I know you thought I meant el platano

lol. I wasn't reading properly. Gonna watch the peanut butter clip now.

124 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:49:29pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

OH MY GOD!

CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD!

E-MAIR-GENCY! EVERYBODY TO GET FROM STREET!

125 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:07pm

re: #118 irongrampa

Impressive and frightening, isn't it?

They were peaceful vegetarians, until Adam & Eve sinned.

126 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:09pm

re: #115 rawmuse

Is the Nazi submarine still in Chicago?

Musuem of Science and Industry, a very cool place to visit

127 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:16pm

re: #116 Jimmah

So potentially we have a creationist fascist troll - and one that is fully dumb enough to use the banana clip as a weapon...gosh.

For the record- I questioned "Cdat88" immediately after it's first post about the "88" and it said it was the year in which it became a Cdat. I still remain skeptical, and this stunt did not help it's case in my mind at all.

128 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:54pm

Varmint Still Doesn't Paly Well With Others.

I've got two words for the UAW: Chapter Eleven.

Seriously. Union members "working" for the Big Three get at least double the wages of other people (actually) working in the same position in a non-union company.

And the reason I cast aspersions upon the work ethic of UAW members is that many of these so-called workers don't actually do any work but they still collect full pay and benefits. This practice effectively adds about two thousand dollars to the price of every automobile offered for sale by the Big Three.

Our socialist overlords are rushing into a bailout of the Big Three because it is in fact a bailout of the UAW. Ayn Rand used to call this phenomena Pull Politics and the practitioners the Aristocracy of Pull.

And as with every other aristocratic set-up its the peasants like us who are compelled to pay for the maintenance and upkeep of those who deem themselves (because no one else will) better than us mere mortals.

What are your questions on this block of instruction?

129 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:50:59pm

And, here is the man that was looking at the link between dinos and birds a long time ago, and that dinos were warm blooded...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

130 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:51:05pm

re: #89 Desert Dog

I bet should could name them all and give a detailed account of what they ate, where they lived, what era, etc, etc...kids just love those dinos!

yep. totally fun, and sweet too

131 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:51:09pm

re: #122 chicagodudewhotrades

Yeah. U-505 is still here too. I have also seen that in the past year too. And even better, both museum trips were with fellow lizards in town for the weekend. I think us lizards like museums. :)

Does San Fransicko know you guys have a Nazi Sub? Man when they find out they are going to be sooo pissed off that they dont have one...

132 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:51:51pm
133 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:51:52pm

Oldest Spider Web Found, Scientist Says

The tiny tangled threads of the world's oldest spider web have been found encased in a prehistoric piece of amber, a British scientist said Monday.

A British scientist said Monday that the tangled threads seen encased in this prehistoric piece of amber is the world's oldest spider web, at 140 million years old. A microscope revealed the existence of tiny threads about 1/20th of an inch long amid bits of burnt sap and fossilized vegetable matter.

Oxford University paleobiologist Martin Brasier said the 140-million-year-old webbing provides evidence that arachnids had been ensnaring their prey in silky nets since the dinosaur age. He also said the strands were linked to each other in the roughly circular pattern familiar to gardeners the world over.

140 million years old? But, but, that's impossible!

/I don't think so!

134 irongrampa  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:52:39pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

His book, Dinosaur Heresies, is a must read for anyone interested in these magnificent creatures.

135 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:52:41pm

re: #120 HoosierHoops

I believe it's the U505

Capture of the U-505, one of the great feats of US Navy in WWII.

136 Jurassic Slappass  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:53:05pm

311 is another "code number"
3 letters
11th number in the alphabet: K

hence: KKK

137 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:53:29pm

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

Image: File:Archaeopteryx-model.jpg

138 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:53:43pm

a dinosaur that perished more than 150 million years
...but the limestone is only 6,000 years old...

/it's a compromise...

139 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:53:59pm

re: #132 gmsc

Cannibals: The Creationist's Nightmare

I would taste like coffee and pizza, I should stay away from Papua New Guinea

140 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:54:05pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Tastes like chicken.

141 gclaghorn  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:54:34pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Oooh...cuddly.

142 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:54:43pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

For the record- I questioned "Cdat88" immediately after it's first post about the "88" and it said it was the year in which it became a Cdat. I still remain skeptical, and this stunt did not help it's case in my mind at all.

It's possible this person could be a victim of circumstance - but not looking too good at the moment. What's a cdat btw?

143 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:06pm

re: #122 chicagodudewhotrades

Yeah. U-505 is still here too. I have also seen that in the past year too. And even better, both museum trips were with fellow lizards in town for the weekend. I think us lizards like museums. :)

who wouldnt...they are world class as is the art museum

144 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:12pm

re: #142 Jimmah

What's a cdat btw?

Good question!

145 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:45pm
146 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:49pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

Good question!

Cdat?

Cwhat?

Dat!

No.

147 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:51pm

re: #136 Jurassic Slappass

311 is another "code number"
3 letters
11th number in the alphabet: K

hence: KKK

Wait a sec.. I thought the 311 was a gangsta/rap group out of Detroit..
I'm pretty sure I'm right.

148 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:55:56pm

re: #139 Desert Dog

I would taste like coffee and pizza, I should stay away from Papua New Guinea

I can just see it . . .

"That guy was delicious - we should send out for Desert Dog more often!"


Why don't cannibals eat clowns? They taste funny!

149 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:56:08pm

re: #134 irongrampa

His book, Dinosaur Heresies, is a must read for anyone interested in these magnificent creatures.

He has hung around the neighborhood here, since Dinosaur Ridge is just a few miles from from where I live.

He certainly has his supporters and detractors. You haven't really done science unless some one disagrees with you.

150 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:56:48pm

re: #140 OldLineTexan

Tastes like chicken.

Lizards, dinner is served.

151 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:56:52pm
152 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:57:27pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Notice the legs and the scales. Now, look up a picture of a bird, a large bird so you can see, like a parrot, like Maisey the Parrot.

153 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:57:59pm

re: #145 Desert Dog

coincidence?

That would make some sense if Cdat was honest about being 20 years old.

154 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:58:02pm

re: #151 Desert Dog

Perhaps this one?

I think you may be right:

Occupation:
Chemical sales

155 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:58:44pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

Notice the legs and the scales. Now, look up a picture of a bird, a large bird so you can see, like a parrot, like Maisey the Parrot.

How do you know Maisey is really a parrot? And not one of those, whatdyacallem, architect things?

156 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:59:05pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

He has hung around the neighborhood here, since Dinosaur Ridge is just a few miles from from where I live.

He certainly has his supporters and detractors. You haven't really done science unless some one disagrees with you.

You can still go out to Morrison and find bones and plant fossils. We used to do that as a field trip back in the 70's.

157 Kaos Hiker  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 6:59:08pm

I always questioned their ability to reconstruct what Dinosaurs looked like. If You found a Human skull but, You had never seen a Human before, would You think to put big ole floppy cartilage Ears on it.How about long blond hair. probably not. They don`t have a clue what Dino really looked like.

158 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:00:21pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

Mmmm, not so much.

159 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:00:50pm

Acronym dictionary - CDAT entry:

CDAT Community Drug Action Team
CDAT Climate Data Analysis Tool
CDAT Character Data
CDAT CoastWatch Data Analysis Tool
CDAT Child Disability Assessment Tool
CDAT Computerized Dumb-Ass Tanker
CDAT Canadian Dental Aptitude Test
CDAT Cisco Distributed Administration Tool
CDAT Can-Do Attitude Test
CDAT Channel District Action Team (California)
CDAT Collaborative Data Analysis Toolsuite
CDAT Core Data Analysis Toolkit (UK)
CDAT Consent Decree Action Teams
CDAT Configuration Dependent Analysis Tools

160 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:00:57pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

No. "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. "HH" = Heil [youknowwho].

Kewl video with Vegas chorus girls, faygele dancing boys, and Mel Brooks as rappin' Adolf.

161 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:01:03pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

How about a picture... I think these will be in pet stores by next Christmas...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

How about an after shot?
Image: turkey-main_Full.jpg

162 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:03:19pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

I always questioned their ability to reconstruct what Dinosaurs looked like. If You found a Human skull but, You had never seen a Human before, would You think to put big ole floppy cartilage Ears on it.How about long blond hair. probably not. They don`t have a clue what Dino really looked like.

I think they have a very good idea about the looks. Forensic science is amazing. The only thing they cannot get is the color or the scales, skin, feathers, whatever they had. A good forensic scientist can reconstruct a face from a skull these days...it is almost as much of an art as a science. The bones tell where the muscles were...

facial reconstruction

163 HelloDare  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:03:26pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

They don`t have a clue what Dino really looked like.

Sure they do. They look like this.

164 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:04:24pm

re: #163 HelloDare

Sure they do. They look like this.

That fossil does not look lifelike...it's a poor mock up

165 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:04:30pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

How do you know Maisey is really a parrot? And not one of those, whatdyacallem, architect things?

Because...

Image: DSCN1533.JPG

166 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:05:09pm

Regardless what "cdat" means, it's becoming more clear it's an ID supporter who came to drop a load, and not back up it's post.

167 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:05:27pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

I believe that they have found fossil skin, "mummified" fossils, tissue imprints and the like. As well they can do reconstruction of muscles from bone scarring. Ligaments and sinew will leave distinctive marks on bones. Much of this reconstruction is used as well in modern forensics too. Blond hair and eyes is mostly just cosmetic stuff they add on.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:05:41pm

Effing TMJ is acting up tonight. My whole head hurts. So, I'll leave it at this...

G'night John-Boy!

169 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:05:56pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

Because...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

Why did I think you had an African Grey?

170 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:06:26pm

re: #163 HelloDare

Sure they do. They look like this.

Thats an insult to all things scaly. ;)

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:06:51pm

re: #167 BlueCanuck

Not necessarily. I watched an episode of Quincy once...ah, forget it.

172 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:07:03pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

Because...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

Poor old Walter... Maisey is a dinosaur... Walter keeps a pet raptor... ;p

173 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:07:37pm

This looks like a controversial and interesting book:

Apes or Angels?: Darwin, Dover, Human Nature, and Race
by Cornelius J. Troost
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

174 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:07:38pm

re: #172 doriangrey

Poor old Walter... Maisey is a dinosaur... Walter keeps a pet raptor... ;p


He maybe safe, they hunt in packs.

175 Jurassic Slappass  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:08:13pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

I would not doubt it. Ignorance is bliss, right?
The town I went to college at had a "311 Club" at it. I am sure it can be Googled. Their "special" was always $1.00 beef jerky. Go figure.
Shitty place IMOO. I had too many teeth to get in, so I never got to enjoy the experience.

177 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:05pm

re: #172 doriangrey
Don't go into the long grass!

178 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:21pm

Oh those fools! If only they knew! Every time they examine a fossil, God dies a little. And every time an evolution scientist publishes, an atheist kills a kitten. THE HORROR!
/okay, now I'm dizzy...Do not look through that thing from the other end!

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:29pm

re: #176 Alouette

I would prefer that you do not link to porn sites.

180 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:46pm

re: #167 BlueCanuck

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

I believe that they have found fossil skin, "mummified" fossils, tissue imprints and the like. As well they can do reconstruction of muscles from bone scarring. Ligaments and sinew will leave distinctive marks on bones. Much of this reconstruction is used as well in modern forensics too. Blond hair and eyes is mostly just cosmetic stuff they add on.

It's a loaded question which Hiker knows the answer to. These kind of answers are available on Sesame Street.

181 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:09:50pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

That would make some sense if Cdat was honest about being 20 years old.

Yes, that does seem to match up. Those pages don't really suggest anything amiss along the lines of nazism or creationism as far as I can tell. Maybe the 88 is a coincidence and her puter cut out or she had to leave earlier. We'll see.

182 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:11pm

re: #116 Jimmah

So potentially we have a creationist fascist troll - and one that is fully dumb enough to use the banana clip as a weapon...gosh.

wasn't that just comedy, poking fun at ID, creationists? Should we light up here?

183 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:12pm

Speaking of reconstructing fossils, right now I'm enjoying a Dogfish Head "Midas Touch", based on the oldest known recipe for beer.

It's very good, and kind of strong. No wonder it took those lushes so long to work their way out of the Iron Age.

184 JHW  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:13pm

re: #167 BlueCanuck

You're right , here's one I remember from late last year.

Scientists today announced the discovery of an extraordinarily preserved "dinosaur mummy" with much of its tissues and bones still encased in an uncollapsed envelope of skin.
For now, the team continues to examine the rare specimen, which included preserved tendons and ligaments, and to prepare scientific articles on the find for publication.


Dinosaur mummy found, has intact skin, tissue

185 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:22pm

re: #176 Alouette

Who says there are no transitional fossils?

*spew* Warning next time please?

/NSFW, on second thought NSFHV (not safe for human viewing)

186 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:22pm

re: #176 Alouette
WHACK! That was very, very bad!

187 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:43pm

re: #174 DEZes

He maybe safe, they hunt in packs.

Walter is safe. Read #132, he tastes too salty...his Japanese neighbor should watch his back though...

188 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:10:53pm

re: #169 HoosierHoops

Why did I think you had an African Grey?

No, Maisey is a red-lored (red fronted) Amazon, with malformed feet, born that way.

re: #172 doriangrey

Poor old Walter... Maisey is a dinosaur... Walter keeps a pet raptor... ;p

And she is coming to destroy a building near you.

189 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:20pm

re: #182 2by2

wasn't that just comedy, poking fun at ID, creationists? Should we light up here?

uhm, not light him up, but lighten up?

190 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:22pm

Archaeopteryx. Not to be confused with Apteryx...a wingless bird with hairy feathers. BTW McNabb, two interceptions in the red zone. But he's not overrated. BTW, how 'bout them Cowboys?

191 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:26pm

re: #157 Kaos Hiker

I always questioned their ability to reconstruct what Dinosaurs looked like. If You found a Human skull but, You had never seen a Human before, would You think to put big ole floppy cartilage Ears on it.How about long blond hair. probably not. They don`t have a clue what Dino really looked like.

There's more to it than that.
Bones show where muscles were attached and how much stress they were under indicating size. By comparing similar anatomical structures, a idea of shape can be arrived at. Fossils of remnants of skin and other structures have been found, giving scientists an idea surface texture.

As to colors you are correct, coloration is mostly supposition.

192 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:26pm

SCIENCE REPORT FRUM TEH KITTEHS:

WE X-RAYD TEH BIRD RAWK. IT MADE OV ROCKZ. NO GUD 2 EAT. PROJECT CANCELLD.

193 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:35pm

re: #176 Alouette

Who says there are no transitional fossils?

I believe that is a "mutation", not a fossil

194 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:44pm

re: #181 Jimmah

Yes, that does seem to match up. Those pages don't really suggest anything amiss along the lines of nazism or creationism as far as I can tell. Maybe the 88 is a coincidence and her puter cut out or she had to leave earlier. We'll see.

20 years old, born in 88'.

195 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:11:53pm

re: #76 Charles

Charles, why do you hate Christians... I mean, birds... I mean, dinosaurs... I mean, whatever! Why do you hate whatever?!

Why?

196 pingjockey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:12:38pm

BBL!

197 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:12:59pm

re: #196 pingjockey

BBL!

Mee too! See ya all.

198 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:13:40pm

For the record- I just want it know that evolution is fully accepted in Smurf Village.

199 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:13:47pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Speaking of reconstructing fossils, right now I'm enjoying a Dogfish Head "Midas Touch", based on the oldest known recipe for beer.

It's very good, and kind of strong. No wonder it took those lushes so long to work their way out of the Iron Age.


I always questioned their ability to reconstruct what pizza looked like. If You found a pizza crust but, You had never seen a pizza crust before, would You think to put cheese on it.How about garlic. probably not. They don`t have a clue what pizza really looked like.

Kaos Hiker

200 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:13:52pm

re: #177 pingjockey

Don't go into the long grass!

Don't tell me, tell Walter... One of these days Maisey is going to be all alone in his cage repeating over and over to himself... Hmmm, they do taste just like Chicken...

201 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:13:54pm

re: #162 Desert Dog

I think they have a very good idea about the looks. Forensic science is amazing. The only thing they cannot get is the color or the scales, skin, feathers, whatever they had. A good forensic scientist can reconstruct a face from a skull these days...it is almost as much of an art as a science. The bones tell where the muscles were...

facial reconstruction

There was an article recently where they captured pigment remnants from fossil feathers, I'll see if I can dig it up.

Meanwhile here's a good video series on proof of evolution that speaks to transitional fossils.

202 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:14:04pm

1. Hitler was because of Darwin.
2.Where are the transitional fossils?
3. Me and the other sock agree.
4. Darwinism is only a theory.
5.Charles should post other things.
6.My faith is so weak, science offends me.

are we there yet?

203 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:14:24pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

For the record- I questioned "Cdat88" immediately after it's first post about the "88" and it said it was the year in which it became a Cdat. I still remain skeptical, and this stunt did not help it's case in my mind at all.

what am I missing? CDAT what does that mean in Nazi speak?

204 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:14:33pm

re: #175 Jurassic Slappass

I would not doubt it. Ignorance is bliss, right?
The town I went to college at had a "311 Club" at it. I am sure it can be Googled. Their "special" was always $1.00 beef jerky. Go figure.
Shitty place IMOO. I had too many teeth to get in, so I never got to enjoy the experience.

LOL
what college did you go to? I figure if there is a 311 club nearby..I'd better walk the straight and narrow and if 50cent shows up buy him a drink of want ever he wants. no questions asked

205 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:14:45pm

re: #46 gclaghorn

Tell me you're freakin' joking.

My question is; how does one (you) find this stuff in the first place and second, how does one find the time and motivation to record it and then upload to YouTube?

It was funny however...

206 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:15:18pm

re: #182 2by2

wasn't that just comedy, poking fun at ID, creationists? Should we light up here?

That's exactly what I thought at first. I was then puzzled by the lack of a reply and some concerns about her nick that were raised. I'm gravitating back to my original view now.

207 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:15:39pm

re: #200 doriangrey

Don't tell me, tell Walter... One of these days Maisey is going to be all alone in his cage repeating over and over to himself... Hmmm, they do taste just like Chicken...

LOL... and I scared Maisey. It's that time of night where she sits quietly, eyes open, but sort of in a trance.

208 iam7545  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:16:45pm

Two down - twenty million to go -


Drone into Pakistan Kills Two

209 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:09pm

re: #205 Naso Tang

My question is; how does one (you) find this stuff in the first place and second, how does one find the time and motivation to record it and then upload to YouTube?

It was funny however...

Do you see that "search" box at the top of the youtube page. Search on a topic, just like google.

210 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:26pm

Ellison makes pilgrimage to Mecca

Back home he's one of the 535 most powerful lawmakers in America, but last week, on the holiest week in Islam's holiest city, U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison was just one among the estimated 3 million travelers making the pilgrimage to Mecca.

"You forget who you are - black or white and American or African - and where you come from when you are before God circling the Kabba [the large masonry cubic structure near Mecca] in a two-piece unstitched garment," Ellison said in a CNN interview last week.

Continuing in his unofficial role as America's goodwill ambassador to the Middle East, Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress also became the first sitting member to make the religious journey that all able-bodied Muslims are obligated to make once in their lifetime, otherwise known as Hajj.

/oh boy, more historic firsts for Minnesota to be proud of

211 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:30pm

re: #203 2by2

what am I missing? CDAT what does that mean in Nazi speak?

For all I know- nothing. But the use of "88" is well known. I questioned Cdat88 about it, they gave me an answer. I remain skeptical but can do nothing but take their explanation at face value.

212 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:36pm

re: #200 doriangrey

Don't tell me, tell Walter... One of these days Maisey is going to be all alone in his cage repeating over and over to himself... Hmmm, they do taste just like Chicken...

HER CAGE.

213 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:45pm

re: #173 Salamantis

This looks like a controversial and interesting book:

Apes or Angels?: Darwin, Dover, Human Nature, and Race
by Cornelius J. Troost
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Now I would pay good money to see any quantity of apes dance on the head of a pin. Just sayin'.

214 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:17:55pm

re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

Oh, so that's what that video is about. This is the first time I've seen it with the audio track.

/I thought it was a vid advocating fellatio. Silly me.

215 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:18:05pm

re: #198 Sharmuta

For the record- I just want it know that evolution is fully accepted in Smurf Village.

Trivia time kiddies: Almost all the smurfs, as Sharmuta points out, evolved. However, one of them was "intelligently designed". Which one?

216 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:18:33pm

re: #206 Jimmah

That's exactly what I thought at first. I was then puzzled by the lack of a reply and some concerns about her nick that were raised. I'm gravitating back to my original view now.

looked like a joke to me, and I thought the video clip was actually funny, had not seen that before.

217 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:18:40pm

re: #215 gmsc

Trivia time kiddies: Almost all the smurfs, as Sharmuta points out, evolved. However, one of them was "intelligently designed". Which one?

Obama Smurf.

218 Mithrax  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:18:56pm

re: #215 gmsc

Smurfette.

219 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:10pm

re: #204 HoosierHoops

LOL
what college did you go to? I figure if there is a 311 club nearby..I'd better walk the straight and narrow and if 50cent shows up buy him a drink of want ever he wants. no questions asked

I hope 311 is not named for anything stupid like that, I love that band

220 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:21pm

re: #218 Mithrax

Smurfette.

Which is why I recused myself from answering.

221 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:28pm

Did Kaos Hiker get lost?

222 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:45pm

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

HER CAGE.

Sorry to hear that... Scientists believe that the female raptor is the more dangerous of the two... ;p

223 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:19:58pm

re: #213 swamprat

Now I would pay good money to see any quantity of apes dance on the head of a pin. Just sayin'.

I'd rather pay for lap dances from, you know, women, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

224 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:07pm

re: #202 swamprat

Here's another that seems to come up a lot:

7. I'm leaving you all to your worthless circle jerk. Charles, please delete my account.

225 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:07pm

re: #215 gmsc

Trivia time kiddies: Almost all the smurfs, as Sharmuta points out, evolved. However, one of them was "intelligently designed". Which one?

Brainy Smurf?

/of course we could say Smurfette, but that would be opening a whole can of worms about Gargamel.

226 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:13pm

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

LOL... and I scared Maisey. It's that time of night where she sits quietly, eyes open, but sort of in a trance.

There was about 15 of us that shared a huge house in College.. Everybody seemed to have birds.. They woke me up every morning at 4am. I hate birds.
I hate the mess they leave..I dislike them without BBQ sauce..
LOL

227 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:35pm

re: #218 Mithrax

Smurfette.

Yep!

228 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:20:40pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

And, here is the man that was looking at the link between dinos and birds a long time ago, and that dinos were warm blooded...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Whoa, a Pentecostal minister AND a believer in evolution. This I did not know! Thanks for the link, Walter.

229 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:21:40pm

Good evening.

The early futures numbers for tomorrow are pointing about 0.25% down.

The Nikkei is down 0.65% and the Hang Seng is down 0.94%

Oil was down to $44.38 today

3 month LIBOR dropped

The TED spread dropped to 1.83 (it was 2.18 just a couple weeks ago).

So the banking rates are dropping, which should ease the credit situation.

The single most important aspect of getting this turned around is just that the waves of bad news have to end at some point. It's been month after month now of almost constant bad news. Once we can just get a few weeks in a row of no major bankruptcies and maybe even some good news, we should see some upward movement in the market.

230 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:22:04pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

For all I know- nothing. But the use of "88" is well known. I questioned Cdat88 about it, they gave me an answer. I remain skeptical but can do nothing but take their explanation at face value.

ok, thx
his or her silence now is strange though, ...hello, still logged in?

231 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:22:23pm

re: #176 Alouette

Who says there are no transitional fossils?

*BARF* I hope that hit your hat, sir!

232 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:22:52pm

Damn, got to get moving. See you folks in an hour or two.

/time to change locations.

233 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:02pm

re: #224 Jimmah


Missed one!

234 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:21pm

re: #230 2by2

Yes- it is strange. Came to drop a little load of ID love but can't stick around to back up the support for that "theory".

235 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:38pm

Bonus Smurf trivia: How many female smurfs are there, and what are their names?

236 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:39pm

re: #229 3 wood

Good evening.

The early futures numbers for tomorrow are pointing about 0.25% down.

The Nikkei is down 0.65% and the Hang Seng is down 0.94%

Oil was down to $44.38 today

3 month LIBOR dropped

The TED spread dropped to 1.83 (it was 2.18 just a couple weeks ago).

So the banking rates are dropping, which should ease the credit situation.

The single most important aspect of getting this turned around is just that the waves of bad news have to end at some point. It's been month after month now of almost constant bad news. Once we can just get a few weeks in a row of no major bankruptcies and maybe even some good news, we should see some upward movement in the market.

Sorry 3 wood, as long as oil and gasoline keep going down I remain happy... No stocks, no 401, no retirement fund... No investments to loose... It's all good to me... ;)

237 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:47pm

re: #210 Killian Bundy

Ellison makes pilgrimage to Mecca

/oh boy, more historic firsts for Minnesota to be proud of

fcking idiot. him and his two- piece unstitched garment.

238 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:23:56pm

Meantime on an island off Costa Rica an old millionaire keeps having sex with frogs.

239 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:24:05pm

re: #230 2by2

ok, thx
his or her silence now is strange though, ...hello, still logged in?

nope, she/he is out

240 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:24:17pm

re: #216 2by2

looked like a joke to me, and I thought the video clip was actually funny, had not seen that before.

The video clip is hilarious - and it may well have been posted to poke fun at creationists - but what makes it really funny is that it was made with a straight face - it wasn't a parody.

241 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:24:24pm

re: #219 Desert Dog

I hope 311 is not named for anything stupid like that, I love that band

good band..No I'm talking about a Detroit rap band that were bad dudes.
They were shown in a portrait from the movie 8 mile. Including the shooting in the recording studio in Down town Detroit..

242 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:24:24pm

re: #235 gmsc

Bonus Smurf trivia: How many female smurfs are there, and what are their names?

2 sharm, and baby... ;p

243 mattm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:25:03pm

I just saw a ad for a HUMMER red tag event. Only 26K and change for a H3.

244 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:25:14pm

re: #176 Alouette
Viagra will never help me now.

245 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:25:26pm

re: #229 3 wood

Good evening.

The early futures numbers for tomorrow are pointing about 0.25% down.

The Nikkei is down 0.65% and the Hang Seng is down 0.94%

Oil was down to $44.38 today

3 month LIBOR dropped

The TED spread dropped to 1.83 (it was 2.18 just a couple weeks ago).

So the banking rates are dropping, which should ease the credit situation.

The single most important aspect of getting this turned around is just that the waves of bad news have to end at some point. It's been month after month now of almost constant bad news. Once we can just get a few weeks in a row of no major bankruptcies and maybe even some good news, we should see some upward movement in the market.

Fear not - HELP is on the way...soon, all will be better

246 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:25:53pm

re: #235 gmsc

Bonus Smurf trivia: How many female smurfs are there, and what are their names?

One, and Sharmuta ;)

247 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:26:16pm

re: #236 doriangrey

No stocks, no 401, no retirement fund... No investments to loose... It's all good to me... ;)

Understood, but bear in mind, as those around you lose wealth, they buy less.

At some point that ripple effect will impact you.

248 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:03pm

re: #240 Jimmah

The video clip is hilarious - and it may well have been posted to poke fun at creationists - but what makes it really funny is that it was made with a straight face - it wasn't a parody.

I don't believe for one second that this Video was meant serious, it must be a parody/comedy act. I can't imagine that two or three people (the camera man included) could be collaborate such stupidity as a serious argument for creationism.

249 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:06pm

re: #222 doriangrey

Sorry to hear that... Scientists believe that the female raptor is the more dangerous of the two... ;p

You want to see dangerous... she is about to attack...

Image: DSCN1557.JPG

250 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:09pm

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

One, and Sharmuta ;)

What do you call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck

251 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:20pm

re: #242 doriangrey

2 sharm, and baby... ;p

Nope - try again!

(Perhaps I should specify "on the TV show")

252 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:25pm

Gotta stop dropping my best lines on the DT.

253 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:27:44pm

re: #245 Desert Dog

Fear not - HELP is on the way...soon, all will be better

His plan will inflate the currency and the public works projects will take years to have any effect. The economywill adjust back to equilibrium any way by then.

254 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:07pm

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

One, and Sharmuta ;)

Nope. There's more than 1!

255 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #250 HoosierHoops

What do you call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck

*** SMACK ***

256 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:27pm

re: #243 mattm

I just saw a ad for a HUMMER red tag event. Only 26K and change for a H3.

maybe I should buy two..
Gosh that advertising is deceptive
/

257 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:38pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

You want to see dangerous... she is about to attack...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

I have bever seen a Glittered Disco Parrot...

258 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:28:50pm

re: #253 3 wood

His plan will inflate the currency and the public works projects will take years to have any effect. The economywill adjust back to equilibrium any way by then.

Blasphemy!

BURN THE HERETIC!

259 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:29:13pm

re: #243 mattm

I just saw a ad for a HUMMER red tag event. Only 26K and change for a H3.

wait a little and it will be 20 K

260 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:29:43pm

re: #253 3 wood

His plan will inflate the currency and the public works projects will take years to have any effect. The economywill adjust back to equilibrium any way by then.

Let's all hope this crap stops...and soon...Obama can do somethings, but it's up to the market to stabilize itself. I am concerned that too much government interference will distort and make things worse...what's your take on all of these bailouts?

261 Metal Man  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:09pm

I don't have the equipment they are using here so I may be wrong but I would guess this technology is a version of a X-ray fluorescence spectrograph. The need for the particle accelerator generating X-rays is more about this paticular wavelength adding accuracy. X-ray of most energies can kill living tissue but would not destroy this type of sample. X-ray florescence is always less damaging than Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy since that requires an electron beam shot at the subject. And most other elemental tools are even more destructive.

Very cool that we can do this stuff and only add this so people that want to know why they picked this as the method have a couple search words.

262 Jurassic Slappass  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:15pm

re: #204 HoosierHoops
Let me state: OT
Pittsburg State University...in Kansas.
I bartended/worked the door for 3 years at another bar.
One night, we had a bar clearing gang fight that included over 900 patrons that just could not get along. The city, state and campus police were called to control the...ahem...distubance.
Ironically, nothing got broken.
However, the nights we had Male Dancers, the women damn near destroyed the place. Several thousands of dollars worth of damage.
Ironically, we ended up getting sued by a group of college wrestlers because one of our bouncer kicked the crap out of 5 of them. Courts proceedings suck

263 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:16pm

re: #257 OldLineTexan

I have never seen a Glittered Disco Parrot...

PIYF

264 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:22pm

re: #251 gmsc

3- Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

265 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:37pm

re: #257 OldLineTexan

I have bever seen a Glittered Disco Parrot...

I had just sprayed her with water from a bottle. She loves that.

266 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:42pm

re: #254 gmsc

Nope. There's more than 1!

Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

267 CharlieBravo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:30:44pm

the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths.

Is that like the split between libs and lizards ?

268 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:31:33pm

re: #264 Sharmuta

3- Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

Just why am I not surprised that you would know, eh? ;)

269 Dr. Stu  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:31:39pm

I still remember Ken Hamm from Answers in Genesis speaking at my church about how Archaeopteryx is not a real transitional fossil, and since there are no transitional fossils, evolution was incorrect. It was pretty clear after his presentation that if there was a discovery of anything resembling what he would call a transitional fossil, he would just move the goal post to accommodate his view. His god is a god of gaps, and he was making sure that the gap was always just the right size for god to fit in.

270 solomonpanting  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:31:47pm

re: #250 HoosierHoops

What do you call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck

So that would make them Smuckers?

Mmmm. Jam.

271 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:31:55pm

re: #255 gmsc

*** SMACK ***

It's not really an official smack unless Mandy gives it...
And last I heard Mandy was cooking Dinner..So I'm Safe..
*looking around*
/Have I told you how much i like you lately mandy?

//OY

272 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:32:14pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

No, it actually just smirks at me.

273 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:32:28pm

re: #247 3 wood

Understood, but bear in mind, as those around you lose wealth, they buy less.

At some point that ripple effect will impact you.

Maybe, maybe not. I work for a company that does about 50% Government contracting and 50% sporting industry equipment. We just signed a $3,000,000.00 3 year contract. There are only 14 people in my company. I'm going to be better off than most.

274 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:32:30pm

re: #267 CharlieBravo

the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths.

Is that like the split between libs and lizards ?

no, that is like the split between amoebas and primates...some evolve, others remain brainless, clueless and single-celled

275 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:17pm

re: #264 Sharmuta

3- Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

re: #266 FurryOldGuyJeans

Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

Yep! (Although the last one is Nanny Smurf, but I'll give it to you.)

276 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:21pm

Where are they?

277 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:23pm

re: #269 Dr. Stu

I still remember Ken Hamm from Answers in Genesis speaking at my church about how Archaeopteryx is not a real transitional fossil, and since there are no transitional fossils, evolution was incorrect. It was pretty clear after his presentation that if there was a discovery of anything resembling what he would call a transitional fossil, he would just move the goal post to accommodate his view. His god is a god of gaps, and he was making sure that the gap was always just the right size for god to fit in.

Yes- that's what they seem to do. Move the goal post and claim it creates two new gaps that must, must! be filled in.

278 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:31pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

You want to see dangerous... she is about to attack...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

Majestic animal, simply beautiful.

279 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:47pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

It's not really an official smack unless Mandy gives it...
And last I heard Mandy was cooking Dinner..So I'm Safe..
*looking around*
/Have I told you how much i like you lately mandy?

//OY

I'm Mandy when Mandy's not handy.

280 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:33:58pm

re: #269 Dr. Stu

I still remember Ken Hamm from Answers in Genesis speaking at my church about how Archaeopteryx is not a real transitional fossil, and since there are no transitional fossils, evolution was incorrect. It was pretty clear after his presentation that if there was a discovery of anything resembling what he would call a transitional fossil, he would just move the goal post to accommodate his view. His god is a god of gaps, and he was making sure that the gap was always just the right size for god to fit in.

I would say that Archaeopteryx is the BEST example of a transitional fossil that we have, because it has elements that are readily recognizable by the general public. It is a good visual teaching tool.

281 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:34:29pm

re: #264 Sharmuta

3- Smurfette, Sassette, and Granny.

re: #268 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just why am I not surprised that you would know, eh? ;)

...and here's your prize!

282 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:34:45pm

re: #273 doriangrey

Maybe, maybe not. I work for a company that does about 50% Government contracting and 50% sporting industry equipment. We just signed a $3,000,000.00 3 year contract. There are only 14 people in my company. I'm going to be better off than most.

I think perhaps my bro-in-law has been to visit you. Composites?

283 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:35:11pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

It's not really an official smack unless Mandy gives it...
And last I heard Mandy was cooking Dinner..So I'm Safe..
*looking around*
/Have I told you how much i like you lately mandy?

//OY

Actually, Mandy whacks you, I'm the one who smacks you.

284 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:35:15pm

re: #278 DEZes

Majestic animal, simply beautiful.

Thank you (and Maisey thanks you).

285 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:35:21pm

Judge gives Madoff investors their money back at Gov't expense.

Madoff investors get reprieve

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge Monday issued an order that may help investors swindled by what appears to be the largest Ponzi scheme in history recover some of their money.

The order, which was signed by Judge Louis Stanton in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, said customers of Bernard Madoff Investment Securities LLC are "in need of the protection" under the Securities Investor Protection Act of 1970.

SIPA created the Securities Investor Protection Corporation, a nonprofit that maintains a fund aimed at protecting investor funds from being mishandled if their broker defaults.

SIPC differs from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which insures all depositorsof failed banks against loss up to a certain dollar limit. SIPC does not bail out investors but rather replaces "missing stocks and other securities," when a brokerage is closed. SIPC typically will go to a federal judge and request a trustee be appointed to liquidate the firm. (Click here to read more)

SIPC has a reserve of slightly more than $1 billion, according to its Web site

Don't let the reserve amount concern you. The judge does not care about that.

I bet you most of these people will get reimbursed at taxpayer expense.

286 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:35:23pm

re: #279 gmsc

I'm Mandy when Mandy's not handy.

Mandy is always handy with a clue-by-four... ;p

287 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:03pm

re: #267 CharlieBravo

the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths.

Is that like the split between libs and lizards ?

One is a pea brained group with unreliable breeding habits, a fascination with violence and chest puffery, and a cold blooded propensity to waste life
...
the others are lizards.

288 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:09pm

Geert Wilders is dead to me...
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert


Wilders also revealed that if his Party for Freedom - which occupies nine of the Dutch parliament's 150 seats - runs in European parliamentary elections, he may join Vlaams Belang to form a larger right-wing bloc. Wilders had previously said he would not consider such an alliance.

Belgium's Jewish leadership has boycotted Vlaams Belang, citing its "strong anti-Semitic characteristics," and in an interview with Haaretz last year, Wilders cited this in explaining his decision to distance himself from the party.

But now, he said, "there are different sounds coming from Vlaams Belang. Some people say they have changed, even from the Jewish community.

"That they have changed their tune. Others say they haven't. I have to look into it and talk to people and study it more. I'm not saying it is impossible."


It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:11pm

re: #248 2by2

I don't believe for one second that this Video was meant serious, it must be a parody/comedy act. I can't imagine that two or three people (the camera man included) could be collaborate such stupidity as a serious argument for creationism.

Sadly, that dude is "for real". His name is Ray Comfort. This may or may not belong to him as well.

290 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:18pm

re: #282 OldLineTexan

I think perhaps my bro-in-law has been to visit you. Composites?

As a matter of fact yes...

291 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:36:42pm

re: #284 Walter L. Newton
I love birds, unfortunatly so do my cats.

292 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:00pm

re: #279 gmsc

I'm Mandy when Mandy's not handy.

Nice legs..Leans against pole..Whoops..ah sh*t!
LOL

293 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:10pm

The Kid's conervative, Christian school is fundamentalist in its approach to everything except science. Before I submitted his application, I talked to parents, teachers, principals and board members about evolution (this was before I joined LGF, let alone before I had heard about ID). I wanted him to learn the science of evolution in class but, be taught about the glory and power of God and Christ in chapel.

Everything they told me was true. As part of his science class' introduction to the solar system, he went on a field trip to a planetarium today and turned in a 3-D model of the Solar System. (I hope I never see another styrofoam ball again.)

The teacher has told them that God created the Universe billions of years ago, and that we're now discovering how vast is the Universe. In chapel, the preacher has told them that God's days and nights are nothing like ours.

Creation and Science CAN get along.

294 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:17pm

re: #285 3 wood

Judge gives Madoff investors their money back at Gov't expense.

Madoff investors get reprieve

Don't let the reserve amount concern you. The judge does not care about that.

I bet you most of these people will get reimbursed at taxpayer expense.

so crime pays. they all make out and we pay for it.

295 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:24pm

re: #248 2by2

I don't believe for one second that this Video was meant serious, it must be a parody/comedy act. I can't imagine that two or three people (the camera man included) could be collaborate such stupidity as a serious argument for creationism.

I understand your finding it hard to believe anyone could be that dumb. But creationists are that dumb. Here's O'Reilly talking to one of the guys in that video

296 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:32pm

re: #284 Walter L. Newton

Thank you (and Maisey thanks you).

The Reverend Henry Ward Beecher
Called a hen a most elegant creature,
The hen, pleased with that,
Laid an egg in his hat,
And thus did the hen reward Beecher.
~ Oliver Wendell Holmes

297 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:37:54pm

re: #291 DEZes

I love birds, unfortunatly so do my cats.

Can you say overconfidence?

298 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:38:01pm

re: #240 Jimmah

The video clip is hilarious - and it may well have been posted to poke fun at creationists - but what makes it really funny is that it was made with a straight face - it wasn't a parody.

you're right, I can't believe it, researched a little bit and yep it seems these guys are trying to make a case for G'd; boy that shakes me up!
They could apply to SNL with this and become a steady gig there.

299 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:38:19pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Oh. Fuck.

300 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:38:22pm

re: #290 doriangrey

As a matter of fact yes...

He's a Skunk Works guy...

301 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:39:50pm

Geert goes to the dark side. That's it for me too.

302 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:39:52pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Geert Wilders is dead to me...
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert

It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

Agreed. If he's thrown in with that crowd, he's no friend of ours.

303 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:39:57pm

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

I would say that Archaeopteryx is the BEST example of a transitional fossil that we have, because it has elements that are readily recognizable by the general public. It is a good visual teaching tool.

Nooo! You cannot teach it! If you teach it -- well, then even kids from Christian homes will toke from the atheist bong, man!

Once the kids get hooked on this evolution stuff, they'll abandon everything! They'll turn their backs on God and Family! I've heard that the teachers tell 'em to burn their bibles!

///whooo! okay, now I'm dizzy again...heh, that one was fun!

304 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:10pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

pamela got to him. I think I'm going to be ill.

305 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:21pm

re: #291 DEZes

I love birds, unfortunatly so do my cats.

So does Maisey. I feed her bits of chicken and turkey all the time.

306 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:22pm

re: #293 MandyManners

The Kid's conervative, Christian school is fundamentalist in its approach to everything except science. Before I submitted his application, I talked to parents, teachers, principals and board members about evolution (this was before I joined LGF, let alone before I had heard about ID). I wanted him to learn the science of evolution in class but, be taught about the glory and power of God and Christ in chapel.

Everything they told me was true. As part of his science class' introduction to the solar system, he went on a field trip to a planetarium today and turned in a 3-D model of the Solar System. (I hope I never see another styrofoam ball again.)

The teacher has told them that God created the Universe billions of years ago, and that we're now discovering how vast is the Universe. In chapel, the preacher has told them that God's days and nights are nothing like ours.

Creation and Science CAN get along.

Let me rephrase the first stentence: It is a school based on a fundamentalist church but, it is not hide-bound on the empirical subject of Creation.

307 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:46pm

re: #285 3 wood

Judge gives Madoff investors their money back at Gov't expense.

Madoff investors get reprieve

Don't let the reserve amount concern you. The judge does not care about that.

I bet you most of these people will get reimbursed at taxpayer expense.

Considering the amount of cash that disappeared down the hole I would seriously doubt any company has the reserves needed to pay back any appreciable percentage without yet another taxpayer bailout. I have heard the ponzied amount may be well over $1Trillion when the accounting is finally done.

308 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:40:47pm

re: #277 Sharmuta

Don't take it the wrong way, but the Smurfs don't seem to have sex organs.

309 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:41:25pm

re: #301 Thanos

Geert goes to the dark side. That's it for me too.

Same here.

310 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:41:42pm

re: #299 Occasional Reader

It's a bummer but I suspect it was bound to happen. Maybe this is just the inevitable conclusion. I wish things had gone differently but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

311 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:41:45pm

re: #300 OldLineTexan

He's a Skunk Works guy...

While we do do stuff with Lockheed Martin on occasion, we haven't signed any new contracts with them. This new contract is with General Atomic's for the US Navy.

312 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:41:53pm

re: #260 Desert Dog

what's your take on all of these bailouts?

I know this will not go over well here with some folks, but I think we had to do the bail out of the financial system. In fact, if we had done ir rightaway, we could have limited the economic damage to about 2 trillion rather than the 8 to 8.5 we will end up spending.

If the financial system had failed, it was 1931 allover again. As long as you have a functioning financial system you can recover.

But the rest of these things? No.

We will see double digit inflation when the economy turns around.

For those who put their dough into treasuries, be very careful. Once the volatility settles down and money starts flooding back into the market, investors will dump their treasuries and the market value will plummet. The government is going to have an incredible debt to fund so they will have to offer a high rate to get people to buy that much in treasuries.

313 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:12pm

re: #301 Thanos

Geert goes to the dark side. That's it for me too.

Luke: "Is the Dark Side stronger?"

Yoda: "Not stronger. Easier, quicker, more seductive."

Sadly, the qualities Yoda lists in The Empire Strikes Back are the very qualities that make a given thing appeal to politicians,

314 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:19pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Geert Wilders is dead to me...
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert

It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

No, it's not gone. It's just going through some enormous growing pains. Stuff can shake out differently.

315 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:31pm

re: #297 Desert Dog

Can you say overconfidence?


Curiosity killed the cat!
Never seen it more appropriately displayed.

316 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:33pm

re: #308 Spare O'Lake

Don't take it the wrong way, but the Smurfs don't seem to have sex organs.

When have you seen a Smurf or Smurfette with their pants down?

317 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:38pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

It's a bummer but I suspect it was bound to happen. Maybe this is just the inevitable conclusion. I wish things had gone differently but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

Let us be honest- they are not counter-jihad. They are anti-islam.

318 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:40pm

re: #285 3 wood
My God, are there no consequences left? I'm going to the casino and if I loose 30 grand the government better bail me out!

319 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:42:58pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

It's a bummer but I suspect it was bound to happen. Maybe this is just the inevitable conclusion. I wish things had gone differently but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

are you talking abt. his hair?

320 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:05pm

re: #311 doriangrey

While we do do stuff with Lockheed Martin on occasion, we haven't signed any new contracts with them. This new contract is with General Atomic's for the US Navy.

Oh, I don't have any details...we'd have to shoot you, etc.etc.

My rocket science days are past...he's made himself a nice niche in the black toys arena.

321 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:06pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

Sure there is. Jettison the racists, make our own counter-jihad movement. In fact, one could say we've already got one.

322 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:10pm

re: #289 Slumbering Behemoth

Sadly, that dude is "for real". His name is Ray Comfort. This may or may not belong to him as well.

thx, speechless
alternate universe/reality comedy

323 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:16pm

re: #269 Dr. Stu

I still remember Ken Hamm from Answers in Genesis speaking at my church about how Archaeopteryx is not a real transitional fossil, and since there are no transitional fossils, evolution was incorrect. It was pretty clear after his presentation that if there was a discovery of anything resembling what he would call a transitional fossil, he would just move the goal post to accommodate his view. His god is a god of gaps, and he was making sure that the gap was always just the right size for god to fit in.

I believe in a God who laughs at such an arrogant little man.

The story goes that once at Brookhaven they ran an experiment and Everything Clicked. It was amazing, Unified Fiel Theory was proven and the mysteries of the universe were laid open before humity. Of course any such experiment demand at least two observations so the immediately set up the accelerator for another run and then just before they flipped the switch a warning light flashed. Some $0.25 failed and all the PhDs sweated while the electricians dug deep into the bowels of the contraption and replaced the part. They ran fixed it in 8 hours and ran the experiment again and got nothing. Never did, it took God 8 hours to rewrite and recompile his code for the universe. He laughs.

324 DEZes  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:43:49pm

To all, a good night.

325 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:44:20pm

Welcome back, Mandy!

Oh, and make sure to ignore messages #255 and #279.
;)

326 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:44:24pm

re: #312 3 wood

For those who put their dough into treasuries, be very careful.

And as an alternative - besides ammunition and canned food - you'd recommend...?

327 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:44:40pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Geert Wilders is dead to me...
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert
It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

Where has it gone?

328 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:44:57pm

re: #324 DEZes

To all, a good night.

G'Night, DEZes!

329 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:45:00pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

After reading only the blurb you posted (will read the rest in a bit), it sounds like he is looking into the possibility that VB has changed it's spots, but is not yet convinced. I'll read the rest in a bit (going on a beer run), but feel free to feed me crow if I've spoke too soon.

330 Brit in Japan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:45:16pm

re: #76 Charles

Charles, why do you hate Christians... ?

You know, after all the information you have posted on the true intentions of the DI, their dishonesty, the way they manipulate the fears and emotions of honest, good Christians, and completely mis-represent the views of good honest Christians the world over, I have to wonder why Christians are not rushing to these threads to thank you for spreading the word, and declare their hatred & rejection of the evil, lying, decidedly un-Christian DI (and the hoax that is ID).


BiJ

331 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:45:34pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

When have you seen a Smurf or Smurfette with their pants down?

Flasher Smurf appearing sans-briefly in the second season, but was quickly canned.

332 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:45:49pm

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning...

Most personally satisfying moment of the day:

Getting a hug from Pamella, having Robert sign my copy of Onward Muslim soldiers, and Standing on the balcony of the center with Pamella and Robert during lunch, decrying the damage LGF and CJ has done to the antijihad movement.

I think the whole tone of the meeting would have had the LGF/CJ sycophants spitting nails.


It's done.

333 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:46:17pm

re: #307 FurryOldGuyJeans

Considering the amount of cash that disappeared down the hole I would seriously doubt any company has the reserves needed to pay back any appreciable percentage without yet another taxpayer bailout. I have heard the ponzied amount may be well over $1Trillion when the accounting is finally done.

That is what I am saying. Some judge is going to give them their money back and stick the taxpayer with the bill. Just watch.

334 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:46:21pm

re: #325 gmsc

Welcome back, Mandy!

Oh, and make sure to ignore messages #255 and #279.
;)

Dang it! I was hoping you didn't point that out..We were teasing ya Mandy.

335 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:46:56pm

re: #333 3 wood

That is what I am saying. Some judge is going to give them their money back and stick the taxpayer with the bill. Just watch.

I hope you meant watch my wallet. ;)

336 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:47:24pm

re: #330 Brit in Japan

You know, after all the information you have posted on the true intentions of the DI, their dishonesty, the way they manipulate the fears and emotions of honest, good Christians, and completely mis-represent the views of good honest Christians the world over, I have to wonder why Christians are not rushing to these threads to thank you for spreading the word, and declare their hatred & rejection of the evil, lying, decidedly un-Christian DI (and the hoax that is ID).
BiJ

Me thinks that your question is not asked in all honest inquiry. What say you Brit in Japan?

337 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:47:27pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

Flasher Smurf appearing sans-briefly in the second season, but was quickly canned.

Junkie Smurf didn't go over so well, either.

338 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:20pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

This one time, at band camp...
/

339 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:24pm

re: #320 OldLineTexan

Oh, I don't have any details...we'd have to shoot you, etc.etc.

My rocket science days are past...he's made himself a nice niche in the black toys arena.

We don't do black toys, we're a satellite dish and housing fabrication facility. We do some R&D stuff but usually very mundane structural stuff. No shot ya kind of stuff at all. Well except for the mind control ray stuff, but even then no need to shoot anyone when we can make you forget that you even forgot what you weren't suppose to know... ;)

340 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:32pm

re: #337 Occasional Reader

Junkie Smurf didn't go over so well, either.

I don't think Jihadi Smurf was popular either.

341 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:35pm

re: #325 gmsc

Welcome back, Mandy!

Oh, and make sure to ignore messages #255 and #279.
;)

You are sooo smucked...

342 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:48:56pm

re: #337 Occasional Reader

Junkie Smurf didn't go over so well, either.

Burka Smurf joining the cast along with Leather Smurf?

343 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:49:02pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Geert Wilders is dead to me...
Security upped at anti-Jihad conference following alert

It's all over folks. The counter-Jihad movement is gone.

Correction: the European counter-Jihad movement is gone.

344 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:49:31pm

re: #312 3 wood

But the rest of these things? No.

What about when a State Government becomes insolvent and can't pay its obligations. How does that go.

345 jwb7605  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:49:33pm

re: #333 3 wood

That is what I am saying. Some judge is going to give them their money back and stick the taxpayer with the bill. Just watch.

You mean watch for something like this?

346 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:49:55pm

re: #342 lifeofthemind

Burka Smurf joining the cast along with Leather Smurf?

And let's not even talk about Inflated Scrotum Smurf. Man, whose idea what that?

347 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:50:24pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning...

Most personally satisfying moment of the day:
Getting a hug from Pamella, having Robert sign my copy of Onward Muslim soldiers, and Standing on the balcony of the center with Pamella and Robert during lunch, decrying the damage LGF and CJ has done to the antijihad movement.

I think the whole tone of the meeting would have had the LGF/CJ sycophants spitting nails.

It's done.

By the way, did anyone ever see this?

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Every time I post this, some Spencer spy will wind up mentioned it on Jihad Watch or like-blogs. I love it.

348 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:50:25pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

When have you seen a Smurf or Smurfette with their pants down?

Your interest is noted with some concern. However I am a gentleman, and accordingly I do not kiss and tell.

349 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:50:27pm

re: #295 Jimmah

I understand your finding it hard to believe anyone could be that dumb. But creationists are that dumb. Here's O'Reilly talking to one of the guys in that video

Hah ! it's astonishing, who in the world is watching that and saying:
"Wow, yes that is really true, the banana fits so good in my hand, must be because G'd created the world in 7 days, literally. What about oranges? Apples? Cucumbers? (no tab to open there)
ha ha ha, insane!

350 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:50:39pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Very disappointing. But as someone who called for an outright ban on the Koran, not a huge surprise, I suppose.

351 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:51:46pm

re: #346 Occasional Reader

And let's not even talk about Inflated Scrotum Smurf. Man, whose idea what that?

No one will ever believe a thread got highjacked by smurfs..
It doesn't happen in the internet age.

352 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:51:55pm

re: #326 Occasional Reader

And as an alternative - besides ammunition and canned food - you'd recommend...?

For money that you need in under 5 years, I'd set up a ladder structure of FDIC insured CD's, timed for one rung of the ladder to mature about every 3 months or so, out to five years (so I'd cut it up into 20 chunks). That way I'd always be within 90 days of having cash available. Then, if I did not need it right away, I'd roll it over for 5 years and then wait for the next rung to mature.

Eventually, I'd be making 5 year rates, all insured on all that cash.

For money over 5 years up to 60% of my holdings, I'd still put it in a well diversified portfolio and not worry about the day to day changes in the market.

353 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:51:56pm

re: #339 doriangrey

We don't do black toys, we're a satellite dish and housing fabrication facility. We do some R&D stuff but usually very mundane structural stuff. No shot ya kind of stuff at all. Well except for the mind control ray stuff, but even then no need to shoot anyone when we can make you forget that you even forgot what you weren't suppose to know... ;)

He's in structures.

354 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:52:18pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning...

It's done.

355 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:52:24pm

re: #348 Spare O'Lake

Your interest is noted with some concern. However I am a gentleman, and accordingly I do not kiss and tell.

Well, since it has already be stated that they have no sex organs, and if you did kiss, then you didn't get blammo, did you. I wonder if that's the origins of blue balls?

356 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:52:44pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

It's a bummer but I suspect it was bound to happen. Maybe this is just the inevitable conclusion. I wish things had gone differently but it seems that the counter-Jihad movement has devolved into racism. It's a real shame but there's not much that can be done about it.

Well, blood and soil racism is what Euros know. Opposing various and sundry totalitarianisms with tolerance, choice, democracy, civil and human rights and constitutionally guaranteed freedoms - not so much.

They always seem to resort, in the end, to opposing one kind of totalitarianism with another.

357 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:03pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

Flasher Smurf appearing sans-briefly in the second season, but was quickly canned.

Ummm- If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn?

358 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:04pm

re: #297 Desert Dog

Can you say overconfidence?

My sister's Siamese tomcat went after a red-tailed hawk once. The hawk must not have been expecting it, because he took off like he'd been shot. The cat seemed pretty pissed that it got away.

359 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:21pm

re: #339 doriangrey

We don't do black toys, we're a satellite dish and housing fabrication facility. We do some R&D stuff but usually very mundane structural stuff. No shot ya kind of stuff at all. Well except for the mind control ray stuff, but even then no need to shoot anyone when we can make you forget that you even forgot what you weren't suppose to know... ;)

RACIST!

360 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:26pm

re: #345 jwb7605

You mean watch for something like this?

$50B might be a much smaller amount than the $1T I have heard being bandied about as to the extent of the scam, but the ROI of $50B loss/$1B reserves means not a lot of spare change, even if there is no accounting fee accessed for finding and compensating the investors. Governmental bailout just jacked up by at least $100B more to cover this shit.

361 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:31pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning...

I saw this earlier this afternoon.
My stomach was thankfully, empty at the time.

362 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:32pm

re: #346 Occasional Reader

Man, whose idea whatwas that?

Okay, so the Iron Age beer is starting to kick in.

363 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:53:56pm

re: #357 revobob

Ummm- If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn?

Uh oh!

Sharmuta - please note that I had NOTHING to do with this!

364 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:01pm

re: #190 Rancher

Archaeopteryx. Not to be confused with Apteryx...a wingless bird with hairy feathers. BTW McNabb, two interceptions in the red zone. But he's not overrated. BTW, how 'bout them Cowboys?

I likem alot...the D is bcoming a beast...very formidable

365 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:04pm

re: #312 3 wood

On the financial system agreed. It could have been done much better I think, but damn if I know how. You had a post early on in the meltdown that had a good plan.

The auto makers, no, Ch. 11 and restructuring would lead to a better auto industry.

366 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:23pm

re: #357 revobob

Ummm- If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn?

Green.

367 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:24pm

I guess we shouldn't be surprised. Europe never did grasp the concepts we have here in America that allows our immigrants to assimilate. They just didn't have the historical background America did in the matter. Quite easy for them to slip into their centuries old blood and soil.

We in America never had an aristocracy or nobility like europe's. Anyone can come here and become an American. They just don't have the background needed to understand the beautiful simplicity of an ideology based on individual rights.

They want their tiered societies with aristocrats and plebes. They had to find new plebes- they just didn't realize what the drawbacks would be. Now they're finding out the hard way. They'll never get it.

368 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:32pm

re: #358 Spiny Norman

My sister's Siamese tomcat went after a red-tailed hawk once. The hawk must not have been expecting it, because he took off like he'd been shot. The cat seemed pretty pissed that it got away.

When I was living in Tucson, near the Saguaro Monument, I saw an owl grab, kill and fly off with a cat...it was over in a few seconds, the cat had no chance

369 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:32pm

re: #352 3 wood

Sounds quite reasonable. Merci.

370 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:33pm

re: #340 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't think Jihadi Smurf was popular either.

He was a blast, but only appeared once.

371 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:54:45pm

re: #360 FurryOldGuyJeans

$50B might be a much smaller amount than the $1T I have heard being bandied about as to the extent of the scam, but the ROI of $50B loss/$1B reserves means not a lot of spare change, even if there is no accounting fee accessed for finding and compensating the investors. Governmental bailout just jacked up by at least $100B more to cover this shit.

And some wonder why I keep saying, civil war with in 20 years. How long is it going to be before the American public is going to want to get THEIR money back, by force it needed?

372 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:03pm

re: #344 Mich-again

What about when a State Government becomes insolvent and can't pay its obligations. How does that go.

How long do you want to support them for?

Those state governments have to adjust their spending to their income.

I'd tell those state governments to go figure it out for themselves. But at the same time, they need protection from unfunded mandates from the Fed's too.

373 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:24pm

re: #351 HoosierHoops

No one will ever believe a thread got highjacked by smurfs..

We have to try to understand the root causes of the Smurfs' rage and frustration.

374 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:32pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Green.


Linky?

375 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:42pm

re: #362 Occasional Reader

Okay, so the Iron Age beer is starting to kick in.

Now you are finding some of these ideas exciting Ja? Your typing it goes all funny at these thoughts? Nothing to fear, sit back and tell me all about it.

376 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:43pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

We have to try to understand the root causes of the Smurfs' rage and frustration.

Why do they Smurf us?

377 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:53pm

re: #345 jwb7605

Yes.

378 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:55:54pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

We have to try to understand the root causes of the Smurfs' rage and frustration.

I said it above, blue balls.

379 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:56:01pm
380 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:56:35pm

re: #353 OldLineTexan

He's in structures.

We do electronic structures, that's usually inside shop speak for microwave capture horns. We make stuff for the Predator, ie structures, but again, it's not black toy stuff. And it's also for General Atomic's.

381 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:56:54pm

re: #356 Salamantis

The two-party system ends up with a struggle over the middle ground while the parliamentary system ends up with rival extremists forming unholy alliances.

382 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:00pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

And some wonder why I keep saying, civil war with in 20 years. How long is it going to be before the American public is going to want to get THEIR money back, by force it needed?

Right now too many people just have their hand out to scoop up some of that free government cash the Feds are handing out.

383 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:11pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

And some wonder why I keep saying, civil war with in 20 years. How long is it going to be before the American public is going to want to get THEIR money back, by force it needed?

Ohferpete'ssake. There will be no civil war, sorry to disappoint. We will muddle through.

384 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:22pm

re: #349 2by2

It's the biodegradable wrapper that does it for me ;)

385 Brit in Japan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:38pm

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

Me thinks that your question is not asked in all honest inquiry. What say you Brit in Japan?

It wasn't a question, but it was honest.

I used to be a moonbat. The first time I was directed to this site a few years ago, it was by a friend during an argument about either the British Govt or the BBC. I couldn't believe some of the things being said here about good old England, or the Beeb, and initially rejected them, and got angry with Charles.

But, once I followed the links, read the news articles, and saw for myself what my Govt and the Beeb was doing, my position changed. I got angry with the Govt and the Beeb for lying to me! I want to do something about it now. And I thank LGF for being the catalyst for me to shed my moonbattery.

We can see that the DI is lying to Christians. They tell Christians they must reject the facts of evolution to believe in God. Why aren't they angry?


BiJ.

386 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:56pm

Even more astonishing, It looks like the participants are turning on Daniel Pipes now, because he makes the distinction between radical Islam and Islam in general. They imply that his arguement was "weak".

387 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:57:57pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it I noticed this comment about the conference in Jerusalem at Jihad Watch earlier this morning...

Most personally satisfying moment of the day:
Getting a hug from Pamella, having Robert sign my copy of Onward Muslim soldiers, and Standing on the balcony of the center with Pamella and Robert during lunch, decrying the damage LGF and CJ has done to the antijihad movement.

I think the whole tone of the meeting would have had the LGF/CJ sycophants spitting nails.

It's done.

The damage that Charles and LGF has done? WTFF? Sucking up to neo-Nazis isn't damaging enough? What clueless morons.

Yeah, 70 years ago the Fascists were the only ones opposing the Blosheviks, too, I suppose. Bah!

388 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:01pm

re: #343 Irish Rose

Correction: the European counter-Jihad movement is gone.

This is the "Kiss of death" for the counter-Jihad movement in America more than in Europe. VB, FN, and the BNP are gaining popularity in Europe. It might even increase the viability of counter-jihad in Europe. In America if you are a know associate of Nazi sympathizers, photographed with someone who lays flowers on Nazi graves, etc, it's all over with. The cable news channels might interview you like the Phelps Clan as an outrageous novelty act but all mainstream credibility is gone. The counter-Jihad movement has transformed itself into an alliance of racists. End of story. There is almost no credibility left.

389 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:08pm

re: #370 jcm

He was a blast, but only appeared once.

LOL!

390 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:11pm

re: #365 jcm

You had a post early on in the meltdown that had a good plan.

Thanks.

If we had acted early on the financial system, we could have limited this recession to maybe 6 months.

391 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:33pm

re: #383 Occasional Reader

Ohferpete'ssake. There will be no civil war, sorry to disappoint. We will muddle through.

Well, I could agree with you if we let the government continue with effort to somatize us with make busy politics, media, entertainment and the occasional control of our lives.

392 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:41pm

re: #372 3 wood

I'd tell those state governments to go figure it out for themselves. But at the same time, they need protection from unfunded mandates from the Fed's too.

True, but they have enough of their own unfunded mandates to worry about before they even think about the ones from the Feds.

All entitlements are unfunded mandates.

393 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:42pm

re: #374 revobob

Linky?

I was just kidding.

394 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:58:54pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

Bravo!

395 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 7:59:09pm

re: #365 jcm

On the financial system agreed. It could have been done much better I think, but damn if I know how. You had a post early on in the meltdown that had a good plan.

The auto makers, no, Ch. 11 and restructuring would lead to a better auto industry.

Yes bankruptcy exists for a purpose. Assets must get revalued and capital reallocated to productive use. If in Free Speech you must have the Right to be Wrong in Free Markets you must have the Right to Fail. Same as in the schools, when failure is impossible no one learns. Charity yes but the market must be allowed to work.

396 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:00:28pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Well, I could agree with you if we let the government continue with effort to somatize us with make busy politics, media, entertainment and the occasional control of our lives.

Are you down wind from the brewery this evening, Walter? I do not think we are headed towards a civil war. I do think we are heading down a slippery slope of more governmental controls. When everyone is on the dole, who will rebel?

397 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:00:34pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

How long is it going to be before the American public is going to want to get THEIR money back, by force it needed?

The people who are really going to get stuck with this bill (our kids and grand kids) are not old enough yet to do anything about it.

398 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:00:35pm

re: #387 Spiny Norman

The damage that Charles and LGF has done? WTFF? Sucking up to neo-Nazis isn't damaging enough? What clueless morons.


Charles' sin appears to be the fact that he drew attention to it.

399 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:00:40pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Well, I could agree with you if we let the government continue with effort to somatize us with make busy politics, media, entertainment and the occasional control of our lives.

Um... so you want a civil war?

400 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:01:10pm

re: #393 Dark_Falcon
I know, but couldn't resist the automatic lizard response- one of the things I value about this blog is that no BS goes long unchallenged- I still have to figure out how to do links myself tho...

401 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:01:20pm

I am just completely disgusted. If it were not for Charles and LGF, it's unlikely I would have learned about islam at all- yet these assholes who either are racists or want to give racists a pass are denigrating him after all the help and support he gave them throughout the years. They should be ASHAMED!

Charles has done more good than those people could ever dream of doing themselves.

402 3 wood  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:01:41pm

Got to go.

Later.

403 VioletTiger  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:01:59pm

[Link: dsc.discovery.com...]

Actual feathers found in amber, 100 million years old. I wonder what color they were?

404 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:02:03pm

re: #399 Occasional Reader

Um... so you want a civil war?

No he does not, he has said many times that he emphatically does not, he like myself fears that it is inevitable.

405 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:02:17pm

re: #385 Brit in Japan
Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill

406 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:02:17pm

re: #385 Brit in Japan

It wasn't a question, but it was honest.

I used to be a moonbat. The first time I was directed to this site a few years ago, it was by a friend during an argument about either the British Govt or the BBC. I couldn't believe some of the things being said here about good old England, or the Beeb, and initially rejected them, and got angry with Charles.

But, once I followed the links, read the news articles, and saw for myself what my Govt and the Beeb was doing, my position changed. I got angry with the Govt and the Beeb for lying to me! I want to do something about it now. And I thank LGF for being the catalyst for me to shed my moonbattery.

We can see that the DI is lying to Christians. They tell Christians they must reject the facts of evolution to believe in God. Why aren't they angry?

BiJ.

Well, I would imagine that the majority of Christians that are that far engrossed with the DI, don't tend to visit sites like LGF.

And do you know what's it's like to be totally surrounded by like-minded people. Group pressure works wonders in setting where someone doesn't want you to reach to far out to taste another version of the "truth."

DI is a cult, in all the classical sense.

407 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:02:22pm

re: #401 Sharmuta

Charles has done more good than those people could ever dream of doing themselves.

And THAT is why Charles and lgf are hated so.

408 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:00pm

re: #404 doriangrey

No he does not, he has said many times that he emphatically does not, he like myself fears that it is inevitable.

Well, if one first says "it's coming", then says that the only reasons that might prevent it are BAD reasons, it sure gets hard to distinguish that from "want".

409 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:02pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

This is the "Kiss of death" for the counter-Jihad movement in America more than in Europe. VB, FN, and the BNP are gaining popularity in Europe. It might even increase the viability of counter-jihad in Europe. In America if you are a know associate of Nazi sympathizers, photographed with someone who lays flowers on Nazi graves, etc, it's all over with. The cable news channels might interview you like the Phelps Clan as an outrageous novelty act but all mainstream credibility is gone. The counter-Jihad movement has transformed itself into an alliance of racists. End of story. There is almost no credibility left.

There will be another war in Europe. The only question is when.

And the USA will eventually have to end it. Again.

410 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:19pm

Euro-Americans... there is a reason your ancestors left.

411 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:26pm

re: #395 lifeofthemind

Yes bankruptcy exists for a purpose. Assets must get revalued and capital reallocated to productive use. If in Free Speech you must have the Right to be Wrong in Free Markets you must have the Right to Fail. Same as in the schools, when failure is impossible no one learns. Charity yes but the market must be allowed to work.

I remember writing a paper about 16 years ago now, about how financial systems and models matched similar biological models in overall behaviour and organic structure. It was met with a hoo haa of people who didnt even bother to read it, often misquoted in the local university magazine and dubbed to be too 'Keynsian' in its thinking.

I got a call a month ago from someone who came across the same paper a month ago and read it from end to end (no .. actually READ it). He thought it was brilliant and some of the ideas could be used by him in his paper.

I said yes. After all .. who am I to interfere with progress?

412 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:41pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Thanks. That means a lot to me.

413 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:03:48pm

re: #399 Occasional Reader

Um... so you want a civil war?

Just because one sees something as a distinct possibility doesn't mean they want it to happen.

414 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:03pm

re: #387 Spiny Norman

The damage that Charles and LGF has done? WTFF? Sucking up to neo-Nazis isn't damaging enough? What clueless morons.

This post was put up by "km" from LGF2, btw... who apparently hates Charles so much that he/she/it feels compelled to crosspost to Jihadwatch.

415 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:17pm

re: #409 Spiny Norman


There will be another war in Europe. The only question is when.

And the USA will eventually have to end it. Again.


The way things are headed now it is certainly a possibility.

416 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:36pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Well, I could agree with you if we let the government continue with effort to somatize us with make busy politics, media, entertainment and the occasional control of our lives.

somatize then sodomize til resistance is futile

417 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:42pm
418 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:50pm

re: #399 Occasional Reader

Um... so you want a civil war?

Here we go again. No, I am not asking for it, don't want to see it in this country, but I am a realist, and that's the trend I see, the grass roots feel I am getting.

re: #397 3 wood

The people who are really going to get stuck with this bill (our kids and grand kids) are not old enough yet to do anything about it.

Right... but in 20 years... ?

419 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:04:52pm

re: #414 Irish Rose

This post was put up by "km" from LGF2, btw... who apparently hates Charles so much that he/she/it feels compelled to crosspost to Jihadwatch.

Which banned troll is "km"?

420 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:05:27pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Euro-Americans... there is a reason your ancestors left.

And why their descendants only like to return for an occasional visit to see THE PAST...notice how you do not go to Europe to see the future?

421 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:05:35pm

re: #416 albusteve

somatize then sodomize til resistance is futile

So you agree with me, we are getting fucked?

422 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:04pm

re: #395 lifeofthemind

Yes bankruptcy exists for a purpose. Assets must get revalued and capital reallocated to productive use. If in Free Speech you must have the Right to be Wrong in Free Markets you must have the Right to Fail. Same as in the schools, when failure is impossible no one learns. Charity yes but the market must be allowed to work.

That's one of the big difference between conservatives and liberals.

Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity. Outcome is a whole other matter, succeed, fail, live with the consequences of all your decisions. With laws only to prevent dishonest behavior.

Liberals believe in equality of outcome. No matter what decisions are made, government will make it all the same in the end.

423 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:05pm

re: #411 Buster Bunny

I'd like to see it. E-mail me please.

424 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:19pm

re: #420 Desert Dog

And why their descendants only like to return for an occasional visit to see THE PAST...notice how you do not go to Europe to see the future?

American Leftoids do. *SPIT*

425 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:24pm

re: #356 Salamantis

Here's a good piece on this subject - Rome didn't fall in a day.

426 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:25pm

re: #411 Buster Bunny

Congratulations, upding. Maybe you should pass it around and see if you could get it published now.

427 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:34pm

But what do we know? We're just Dear Leaders echo chamber. ///

428 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:43pm

re: #421 Walter L. Newton

So you agree with me, we are getting fucked?

Us... not so much... Our children and grandchildren... Big time...

429 Desert Dog  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:06:51pm

re: #424 FurryOldGuyJeans

American Leftoids do. *SPIT*

touche!

430 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:07:00pm

A LoOoOong time ago a man told me that the whole point of the world's financial system was to boom and bust and bailout until one day when the only alternative was to dissolve all the world's currencies and issue a single global banknote. Sounded nuts back then.

431 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:07:05pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

I guess we shouldn't be surprised. Europe never did grasp the concepts we have here in America that allows our immigrants to assimilate. They just didn't have the historical background America did in the matter. Quite easy for them to slip into their centuries old blood and soil.

We in America never had an aristocracy or nobility like europe's. Anyone can come here and become an American. They just don't have the background needed to understand the beautiful simplicity of an ideology based on individual rights.

They want their tiered societies with aristocrats and plebes. They had to find new plebes- they just didn't realize what the drawbacks would be. Now they're finding out the hard way. They'll never get it.

Well, there is the Kennedy family. The mere fact that one is a Kennedy seems to be enough to ensure that the s/he will be either elected or appointed to office.

432 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:07:18pm

re: #404 doriangrey

No he does not, he has said many times that he emphatically does not, he like myself fears that it is inevitable.


I neither want or expect a civil war, but my belief is due to the very negative feeling that the majority of our population no longer possesses the spirit or cojones or whatever to not only decide that government needs to be changed, but to actually do something about it. I mourn the loss of that spirit. When someone like McCain can be trumpeted as a 'maverick' for not much more than blending every conciliatory position there is, then that word no longer means what I think it did, does, or should.

433 stevieray  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:07:41pm

To be fair to Geert, he said:


But now, he said, "there are different sounds coming from Vlaams Belang. Some people say they have changed, even from the Jewish community.

"That they have changed their tune. Others say they haven't. I have to look into it and talk to people and study it more. I'm not saying it is impossible."

He didn't say he's joining them. He said he's willing to study it -- conditioned upon VB having "changed their tune." If he finds they haven't, he may not join up with them.

434 Brit in Japan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:07:49pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

Well, I would imagine that the majority of Christians that are that far engrossed with the DI, don't tend to visit sites like LGF.

And do you know what's it's like to be totally surrounded by like-minded people. Group pressure works wonders in setting where someone doesn't want you to reach to far out to taste another version of the "truth."

DI is a cult, in all the classical sense.

Ugh. That gives me the shivers, but I guess you are right. They've got some people brainwashed. But it is the Christians that do come here and get angry with Charles that I wonder about.

BiJ.

435 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:07:56pm

re: #430 Mich-again

A LoOoOong time ago a man told me that the whole point of the world's financial system was to boom and bust and bailout until one day when the only alternative was to dissolve all the world's currencies and issue a single global banknote. Sounded nuts back then.

And it still does now.

436 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:08:11pm

re: #421 Walter L. Newton

So you agree with me, we are getting fucked?

I am not personally...but I'm special...I live sort of outside the box but many are already and dont even know it

437 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:08:11pm

re: #411 Buster Bunny

Make sure you get a hefty amount of moolah for the use. ;)

438 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:08:20pm

re: #401 Sharmuta

I am just completely disgusted. If it were not for Charles and LGF, it's unlikely I would have learned about islam at all- yet these assholes who either are racists or want to give racists a pass are denigrating him after all the help and support he gave them throughout the years. They should be ASHAMED!

Charles has done more good than those people could ever dream of doing themselves.

(((Sharmuta)))

439 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:08:31pm

And for those of you that don't know- robert himself has called Charles "Dear Leader" yet he is the one enabling fascists. Disgusting.

440 mattm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:08:34pm

re: #365 jcm

On the financial system agreed. It could have been done much better I think, but damn if I know how. You had a post early on in the meltdown that had a good plan.

The auto makers, no, Ch. 11 and restructuring would lead to a better auto industry.

Except the UAW has a vested interest in destroying the Big 3. Any Ch 11 needs to get rid of the current and preferably the union.

441 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:08:36pm

re: #430 Mich-again

A LoOoOong time ago a man told me that the whole point of the world's financial system was to boom and bust and bailout until one day when the only alternative was to dissolve all the world's currencies and issue a single global banknote. Sounded nuts back then.

It's still nuts.

Only a die-hard collectivist would think that idea makes any sense.

442 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:09:27pm

re: #401 Sharmuta

I am just completely disgusted. If it were not for Charles and LGF, it's unlikely I would have learned about islam at all- yet these assholes who either are racists or want to give racists a pass are denigrating him after all the help and support he gave them throughout the years. They should be ASHAMED!

Charles has done more good than those people could ever dream of doing themselves.

I never paid attention to the muslim religion till I rolled into to work one tuesday morning at about 10am in 2001. There were Indian programmers high fiveing themselves that morning around my cube.
That's what i know about the religion

443 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:09:49pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

Well, since it has already be stated that they have no sex organs, and if you did kiss, then you didn't get blammo, did you. I wonder if that's the origins of blue balls?

You sir are a luddite. Let's just say I was quite satisfied, and leave my "blammo" at that, shall we? As for your etymological query I am in no position to confirm or deny.

444 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:09:55pm

Fossil Feather pigmentre: #403 VioletTiger

[Link: dsc.discovery.com...]

Actual feathers found in amber, 100 million years old. I wonder what color they were?


Thanks for the reminder, I went off on a side tangent awhile.

Fossil feather pigment

445 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:09:59pm

re: #441 Spiny Norman

It's still nuts.

Only a die-hard collectivist would think that idea makes any sense.

But don't you understand that the Black Helicopters of the New World Order will be doing overflies to airdrop the One World Currency?!?!

/

446 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:10:14pm

re: #433 stevieray

To be fair to Geert, he said:

He didn't say he's joining them. He said he's willing to study it -- conditioned upon VB having "changed their tune." If he finds they haven't, he may not join up with them.

Hopefully he can read them with an open mind, but not so open that his brain falls out (unlike certain of our former allies).

447 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:10:17pm

re: #422 jcm

Chapter 11 Bankruptcy works better when it involves a failed company in a functioning market. Not so good when the entire market is in the tank.

448 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:10:26pm

re: #430 Mich-again

A LoOoOong time ago a man told me that the whole point of the world's financial system was to boom and bust and bailout until one day when the only alternative was to dissolve all the world's currencies and issue a single global banknote. Sounded nuts back then.

Still sounds nuts to me. I know a guy a who thinks that way. I just stopped listening him on financial matters. He was still good to talk to on technology matters.

449 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:10:31pm

re: #422 jcm

That's one of the big difference between conservatives and liberals.

Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity. Outcome is a whole other matter, succeed, fail, live with the consequences of all your decisions. With laws only to prevent dishonest behavior.

Liberals believe in equality of outcome. No matter what decisions are made, government will make it all the same in the end.

I will be more generous to the Classical Liberals then you are. Modern conservatives prefer the equality of opportunity to the equality of results not only for moral reasons, recognizing the devastating impact of regulation on human conduct, but also because they know that in fact it provides greater real wealth and security for the least among us.

450 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:10:33pm

re: #438 MandyManners

(((Sharmuta)))

Mandy, what does that mean, all those parens?

451 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:10:35pm

re: #439 Sharmuta

And for those of you that don't know- robert himself has called Charles "Dear Leader" yet he is the one enabling fascists. Disgusting.

I think he may have an complex with regard to Charles and this blog...what else would explain his 'attitude'?...is that the word?

452 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:11:02pm

re: #440 mattm

Except the UAW has a vested interest in destroying the Big 3. Any Ch 11 needs to get rid of the current and preferably the union.

Leeches do not willingly nor willfully destroy the host, and the UAW is definitely one giant bloated leech sucking dry the life blood of American auto making. Leeches destroy by not knowing when to stop sucking the host dry.

453 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:11:25pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Mandy, what does that mean, all those parens?

They're hugs.

454 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:11:30pm

re: #399 Occasional Reader

Um... so you want a civil war?

No-one wants a civil war. People want a safe place to raise their kids. People want their kids to grow up knowing how to tie their own shoelaces and become PRODUCTIVE members of society. People want the right to work to earn, to have a community to work with and work in. People want to be able to protect themselves and fight for the right to observe all of the above.

There are always things worth fighting for. And the freedoms of civilisation and democracy are worth fighting for anytime.

455 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:12:07pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Mandy, what does that mean, all those parens?

Mandy is in loco! parenthesis.

456 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:12:10pm

re: #453 gmsc

They're hugs.

Is she that big?

457 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:12:17pm

I knew, and loved, the work of Theo Van Gogh.

Theo Van Gogh was a hero of mine.

Geert Wilders, you're no Theo Van Gogh.

458 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:12:17pm

re: #445 Occasional Reader

But don't you understand that the Black Helicopters of the New World Order will be doing overflies to airdrop the One World Currency?!?!

/

Oh, that's right... I forgot the Coast-to-Coast listeners.

On that note, does anyone else get the feeling that George Noory is secretly laughing his ass off?

459 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:12:21pm

we are not going to be able to control what the europeans do.
look at the history of europe. such wild swings of the pendulum.
who is really surprised at what fires are now igniting there.
anyone who aligns w/ the unsavory groups in europe, has no what they are in for.

460 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:12:36pm

re: #438 MandyManners

You realize I will be called a butt kisser for that comment. I hope the lurking haters know it's a badge of pride to be called names by the likes of them.

Bring it assholes! Call me names, tell me I'm the problem. Rant everyday about Killgore and Walter and Nana. We're not going to shut up. We're going to keep exposing you and your vile friends.

461 Brit in Japan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #455 Occasional Reader

Mandy is in loco! parenthesis.

Lot's of hugs, or one big hug by an octopus?


BiG

462 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:12:54pm

re: #447 Mich-again

Chapter 11 Bankruptcy works better when it involves a failed company in a functioning market. Not so good when the entire market is in the tank.

You play the cards you are dealt, not fold and wait for a better hand.

463 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:13:27pm

re: #451 albusteve

I think he may have an complex with regard to Charles and this blog...what else would explain his 'attitude'?...is that the word?

Charles is making it difficult for them to spread their vileness.

464 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:13:33pm

re: #456 Walter L. Newton

Is she that big?

Her hugs are.

465 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:14:12pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

Easy there, beware of friendly fire.

466 Brit in Japan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:14:27pm

It's off to work I go.

BiJ.

467 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:14:37pm

re: #452 FurryOldGuyJeans

and the UAW is definitely one giant bloated leech sucking dry the life blood of American auto making.

Which leeches? The ones collecting pension checks, the ones working the line, the ones laid off, or all of the above?

468 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:14:45pm

re: #456 Walter L. Newton

Is she that big?

*YOW!* (dives for cover)

469 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:14:55pm

has no idea what they are in for.

470 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:15:09pm

Time for me to fold my hand and get some sleep.

471 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:15:14pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

You realize I will be called a butt kisser for that comment. I hope the lurking haters know it's a badge of pride to be called names by the likes of them.

Bring it assholes! Call me names, tell me I'm the problem. Rant everyday about Killgore and Walter and Nana. We're not going to shut up. We're going to keep exposing you and your vile friends.

I was nominated for runner up, American Dhimmi of the Year 2008.
I demand equal time!

472 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:15:34pm

re: #433 stevieray

To be fair to Geert, he said:

He didn't say he's joining them. He said he's willing to study it -- conditioned upon VB having "changed their tune." If he finds they haven't, he may not join up with them.

It's a ray of hope!

473 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:15:42pm

re: #465 Killgore Trout

Easy there, beware of friendly fire.

The people calling you and us names aren't friends. I hope Mandy knows none of that was directed at her. They hate her too.

474 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:15:55pm

re: #468 FurryOldGuyJeans

*YOW!* (dives for cover)

Walter... Meet Mandy's clue-by-four... Doh...

475 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:16:24pm

re: #468 FurryOldGuyJeans

*YOW!* (dives for cover)

I meant in the sense of hearted... big hearted... that's the ticket.

476 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:16:32pm

re: #451 albusteve

I think he may have an complex with regard to Charles and this blog...what else would explain his 'attitude'?...is that the word?

How many members of his blog?

477 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:16:44pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Speaking of the UK - the BNP and similar have always been and still are just a hated rump of idiots. They aren't going anywhere.

478 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:16:49pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Mandy, what does that mean, all those parens?

It's a hug.

479 OldLineTexan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:17:00pm
480 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:17:02pm

re: #467 Mich-again

Which leeches? The ones collecting pension checks, the ones working the line, the ones laid off, or all of the above?

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

I meant in the sense of hearted... big hearted... that's the ticket.

(starts digging a foxhole, but QUICK!)

481 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:17:28pm

By the way, thank you Charles for posting the only bird that ever cost me the game in a grade 5 spelling bee.

I mean .. grade 5 .. how the FK is a guy meant to know to spell an Archaeopteryx?

Lil bastiche who got it right won the game and went on to catch the chicken pox a week before the finale in Sydney.

G-d plays a wicked game of fate.

482 Rancher  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:17:33pm

Well, Philly can't loose this and Charles doesn't seem to be about to open registration so I'm off to bed. Good night lizards.

483 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:17:34pm

re: #473 Sharmuta

The people calling you and us names aren't friends. I hope Mandy knows none of that was directed at her. They hate her too.

I know I come in a weak 4th or 5th, not so much due to a lot of comments on the subject, but more so because of that one email chain.

Shit happens Spencer.

484 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:17:36pm

re: #478 MandyManners

It's a hug.

Hugs, not drugs.

Well, hugs n' beer, not drugs.

485 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:17:49pm

The US WN groups are also going through the same metamorphosis -- their are schisms here as well as some try to distance from themselves from outright visible Jew hate. They are not as far in evolution as the Euro groups yet, but before you say "Hey that's not a bad thing" realize it's purely for political motive. They are trying to resurface to credibility.

Under that false front their traditional tribal purism still lurks, they've just transferred focus as to main enemy (now Muslims/Mexicans.) Anyone who goes along with that or them is going to truly deserve what they get at the end of the path.

486 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:18:12pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

You realize I will be called a butt kisser for that comment. I hope the lurking haters know it's a badge of pride to be called names by the likes of them.

Bring it assholes! Call me names, tell me I'm the problem. Rant everyday about Killgore and Walter and Nana. We're not going to shut up. We're going to keep exposing you and your vile friends.

You're known by your enemies.

487 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:18:13pm

I trust that Charles will continue to expose idiots with honesty and integrity wherever they may pop up. However, the mainstream possibilities of the counter-Jihad movement are gone. I personally don't want any part of it.

488 jcm  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:18:24pm

re: #440 mattm

Except the UAW has a vested interest in destroying the Big 3. Any Ch 11 needs to get rid of the current and preferably the union.

It's the UAW's work rules and pension that are killing the UAW. While workers in retirement and close to retirement should be protected in some way, it's all got to change for the auto makers to be viable.

489 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:18:37pm

HUGS, GUNS N' BEER KEEP AMERICA STRONG.

490 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:18:41pm

re: #486 MandyManners

You're known by your enemies.

DEFINED.

492 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:18:57pm

re: #483 Walter L. Newton

I know I come in a weak 4th or 5th, not so much due to a lot of comments on the subject, but more so because of that one email chain.

Shit happens Spencer.

Meh... At least you rate mention... ;p

493 Aye Pod  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:19:23pm

Nite all.

494 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:19:50pm

re: #367 Sharmuta
Pure Art. Capitalism, anti-bigotry, anti-feudalism, and patriotism rolled into one short post.

495 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:20:04pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

HUGS, GUNS N' BEER KEEP AMERICA STRONG.

SO DO MARINES.

496 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:20:06pm

re: #493 Jimmah

Nite all.

'Night, Jimmah!

497 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:20:30pm

re: #494 swamprat

Thanks.

498 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:20:31pm

re: #463 Sharmuta

Charles is making it difficult for them to spread their vileness.

right and he does it so effortlessly...he just speaks a simple truth in a succinct fashion without all the highbrow pretense and wordy euro bullshit...it's not hard to call out these people (well at least not for folks like Charles and yourself and others)...it doesnt seem that complicated to me...it's not that I cant grasp the finer points it's just that I dont have to thanks to this blog...they are underestimating a whole lot of people just like me and eventually this may be their downfall...I hope anyway...imo

499 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:21:00pm

re: #467 Mich-again

The leeches demanding compensation over and beyond what is economically feasible for a free market company to survive in a competitive marketplace. The leeches that demand being paid in full when there is no work. The leeches and their enablers that would rather destroy an industry and be out of work than make concessions to keep employment be viable.

500 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:21:42pm

re: #478 MandyManners

It's a hug.

shit...most of them I hope

501 Mich-again  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:21:58pm

re: #499 FurryOldGuyJeans

So by that you include all the retirees right?

502 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:22:00pm

re: #495 MandyManners

SO DO MARINES.

Yes ma'me.. Even though i think my kid is badder...Get Some! the 3/5th Marines!

503 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:22:05pm

re: #495 MandyManners

re: #489 Occasional Reader

HUGS, GUNS N' BEER KEEP AMERICA STRONG.

SO DO MARINES.

AND BRAZILIAN SUPERMODELS.

504 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:22:41pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Euro-Americans... there is a reason your ancestors left.

I left myself for that reason. Closed society, no movement, no dynamic, class system.
That pretty much sums it up.

505 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:22:46pm
506 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:23:23pm

re: #492 doriangrey

Meh... At least you rate mention... ;p

I stepped into that, not in any way with a defined mission in hand. WHen Charles started posting some of the topics on the new direction Spencer had taken, I email Spencer with that one honest question. Many years ago, I had been a active poster on his site, so I guess he took me as one of "his."

You've seen the answer I got back. It was that simple. I suddenly lost all faith in him, published the email chain here, and next thing I know, I'm getting mentioned along with Killgore, Sharmuta and Mandy.

And not just on Jihad Watch. There are a number of Jihad Watch clones that rehash the same topics on Jihad Watch, and the same bullshit.

507 phoenixgirl  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:23:23pm

re: #458 Spiny Norman

Oh, that's right... I forgot the Coast-to-Coast listeners.

On that note, does anyone else get the feeling that George Noory is secretly laughing his ass off?

i listen to coast to coast every nite

508 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:23:28pm

re: #503 Occasional Reader

AND BRAZILIAN SUPERMODELS.

BRAZILIAN? That's a lot of supermodels!

509 stevieray  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:23:33pm

re: #472 MandyManners

It's a ray of hope!

For all we know, this could all be power politics. He may have no real intention of joining forces with them. He may want to lure away some of their membership. He may want to force an alliance with another party altogether and this is a flirtation to force their hand. He may want to seize control of VB and force out their leadership... it could be a dozen different things.

Reading a vague statement about "looking into" something, and then running around like your hair is on fire is not helpful.

510 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:23:50pm

re: #501 Mich-again

No matter what I say you will find something to nit pick me to death with. so I just give up discussing the issue with you, you seem to want to make an argument about it.

511 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:24:04pm

re: #503 Occasional Reader

AND BRAZILIAN SUPERMODELS.

I can count her ribs.

512 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:24:38pm

re: #495 MandyManners

SO DO MARINES.

Would you stop posting my picture.

513 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:24:46pm

re: #509 stevieray

For all we know, this could all be power politics. He may have no real intention of joining forces with them. He may want to lure away some of their membership. He may want to force an alliance with another party altogether and this is a flirtation to force their hand. He may want to seize control of VB and force out their leadership... it could be a dozen different things.

Reading a vague statement about "looking into" something, and then running around like your hair is on fire is not helpful.

Indeed.

514 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:24:59pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I can count her ribs.

Oh, come now. Adriana is not an "x-ray" type.

515 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:25:08pm

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

Would you stop posting my picture.

Only if you pay me.

516 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:25:35pm

re: #500 albusteve

wrong post...anyway maybe I'm living in a naive bubble...with enough resistance it doesnt seem like Spencer and his cronies can get up much traction other than pockets here and the in Europe...maybe I'm just a misguided boob

517 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:25:37pm

re: #514 Occasional Reader

Oh, come now. Adriana is not an "x-ray" type.

I can count her ribs.

518 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:25:43pm

re: #503 Occasional Reader

AND BRAZILIAN SUPERMODELS.

Hubba hubba... ;)

519 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:25:45pm

re: #504 2by2

I left myself for that reason. Closed society, no movement, no dynamic, class system.
That pretty much sums it up.

The reason that a lot of people used to use English as a standard for language is because most of its structures are adoptive. The french would ram home the idea that things would only be acceptable in french and pure french, not any substitute, but English tended to adopt phrasings and words as it came across them.

Now I ask you .. could THAT be one of the major reasons its a major trade language now?

Adoptive and incorporative structures tend to last longer.

520 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:26:11pm

re: #498 albusteve

right and he does it so effortlessly...he just speaks a simple truth in a succinct fashion without all the highbrow pretense and wordy euro bullshit...it's not hard to call out these people (well at least not for folks like Charles and yourself and others)...it doesnt seem that complicated to me...it's not that I cant grasp the finer points it's just that I dont have to thanks to this blog...they are underestimating a whole lot of people just like me and eventually this may be their downfall...I hope anyway...imo

You have a wonderful point. Too often 'simplicity' is confused as 'stupidity' when it's anything but. This is so simple even a child can understand it- nazis are bad. Racism and bigotry are bad. We don't need a lot of words, or to tiptoe around the issue. Plain, simple language is very effective.

While I think on it- it may explain the wordiness of fjordman. He used a lot of words to fool us with bullshit. I have always found conciseness to be beneficial and it's my writing style. Not because I can't ramble on and on about a subject, but because short and sweet and to the point works.

521 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:26:17pm

re: #514 Occasional Reader

Oh, come now. Adriana is not an "x-ray" type.

Six of them.

522 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:26:39pm

re: #458 Spiny Norman

Oh, that's right... I forgot the Coast-to-Coast listeners.

On that note, does anyone else get the feeling that George Noory is secretly laughing his ass off?

If he is, he's been doing it since he was a young man, and riding the nutzoid gravy train fo a long time...

[Link: fuzzinstallment.com...]

523 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:26:42pm

re: #521 MandyManners

Six of them.

Six brazillion ribs?

524 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:26:47pm

Rose- you're top dhimmi in my book! ;)

525 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:27:07pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I can count her ribs.

Yes, I see TWO!

526 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:27:37pm

re: #521 MandyManners

Six of them.

She's in good shape. But she ain't anorexic.

527 revobob  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:27:49pm

re: #511 MandyMannersNot all of 'em!

528 wolfie  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:28:14pm

re: #352 3 wood

That CD idea is great one, 3wood. Maybe that's the plan we should be shifting to w/ the kids' college funds.

529 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:29:24pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

You have a wonderful point. Too often 'simplicity' is confused as 'stupidity' when it's anything but. This is so simple even a child can understand it- nazis are bad. Racism and bigotry are bad. We don't need a lot of words, or to tiptoe around the issue. Plain, simple language is very effective.

While I think on it- it may explain the wordiness of fjordman. He used a lot of words to fool us with bullshit. I have always found conciseness to be beneficial and it's my writing style. Not because I can't ramble on and on about a subject, but because short and sweet and to the point works.

and more easily defensible...fjordman drove me nuts with all that windy bullshit...it's just a disguise to me

530 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:29:47pm
531 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:29:49pm

re: #519 Buster Bunny

I do agree with that statement, though there's so much more than the language, which is in case of American English just an expression of the underlying openness and dynamic of the society. England didn't fare so well in that regard, it's still a closed society with a very strong social class order, which even reflects in 'the right accent', you want to have.

532 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:29:54pm

I am out.

533 JohnAdams  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:30:01pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

"Intellectuals" cannot stand simple language because it exposes the facts that 1) Truth is often in plain sight and; 2) They are therefore in many cases not only not needed, but indeed are parasites.

534 hermit  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:30:07pm

re: #449 lifeofthemind

Classical Liberal: it's the new conservative!

535 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:30:47pm

re: #532 Occasional Reader

I am out.

goodnight

536 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:31:22pm

re: #532 Occasional Reader

I am out.

Too small a closet, eh? ;)

Later, OR :)

537 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:31:22pm

re: #530 Iron Fist

There are worse things than war. I hope one can be avoided with honor and freedom intact, but if it can't, well, they can only execute you once.

I should think ORs 'last words' would be so long and convoluted he'd slip out the back while they dozed...haha!

538 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:31:28pm

re: #529 albusteve

and more easily defensible...fjordman drove me nuts with all that windy bullshit...it's just a disguise to me

Exactly. The real message is lost in the wordiness, yet it still serves to encourage readers to the hidden ideals within. He managed to disguise his fascism for a long time with that wordy crap.

539 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:33:14pm

re: #533 JohnAdams

"Intellectuals" cannot stand simple language because it exposes the facts that 1) Truth is often in plain sight and; 2) They are therefore in many cases not only not needed, but indeed are parasites.

I stuck this in my favorites. The next time I need some help understanding intellectuals, I will look at it. Thanks.

540 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:33:27pm

re: #531 2by2

I do agree with that statement, though there's so much more than the language, which is in case of American English just an expression of the underlying openness and dynamic of the society. England didn't fare so well in that regard, it's still a closed society with a very strong social class order, which even reflects in 'the right accent', you want to have.

Actually thats one of the things that made it highly successful when going around conquering other nations. Traditionally the British would allow most of the existing system to remain intact with a pledge of alegience and sovereignty to the monarchy. But the social structures (to a point, think India) would be left largely intact. There are a lot of old Africans who really do yearn for the years of British Colonialism where they had houses, wages and good food on the table.

541 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:34:58pm

re: #526 Occasional Reader

She's in good shape. But she ain't anorexic.

Did I say she was?

542 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:35:36pm

re: #535 Walter L. Newton

goodnight

Night!

543 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:36:01pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

Exactly. The real message is lost in the wordiness, yet it still serves to encourage readers to the hidden ideals within. He managed to disguise his fascism for a long time with that wordy crap.

well in my case I used to just read his stuff and not pay all that much attention...but as time went by and Charles put up more posts and guys like Spencer started to zig zag I paid more attention and finally in the end was not much impressed...he just got to where he couldnt hold back when challenged...now look where he is...loozer

544 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:36:02pm

re: #533 JohnAdams

"Intellectuals" cannot stand simple language because it exposes the facts that 1) Truth is often in plain sight and; 2) They are therefore in many cases not only not needed, but indeed are parasites.

The other reason Intellectuals cant stand simple language is because they have spend so many years and so much of their life expecting to be top notch at the specialisation that they feel to downgrade their standards to match what is simplistic DEMEANS them and all their efforts.

Which is really just elitist BS.

545 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:36:41pm

re: #379 Iron Fist

It certainly can coexist. My senior biology teacher taught evolution, but made it plain that she believed that was the mechanism by which God created life on earth.

That was AP biology. When the AP test came, all but one of the students in the class passed it, the vast majority with a score of 5, which was the highest possible score.

This is Third Grade.

546 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:36:50pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

You have a wonderful point. Too often 'simplicity' is confused as 'stupidity' when it's anything but. This is so simple even a child can understand it- nazis are bad. Racism and bigotry are bad. We don't need a lot of words, or to tiptoe around the issue. Plain, simple language is very effective.

While I think on it- it may explain the wordiness of fjordman. He used a lot of words to fool us with bullshit. I have always found conciseness to be beneficial and it's my writing style. Not because I can't ramble on and on about a subject, but because short and sweet and to the point works.

One should endeavor to be simultaneously precise and concise. I think that one reason that the English language is winning the Darwinian competition between languages is that it facilitates this far better than most other tongues.

547 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:37:54pm

re: #546 Salamantis

One should endeavor to be simultaneously precise and concise. I think that one reason that the English language is winning the Darwinian competition between languages is that it facilitates this far better than most other tongues.

We also tend to be shameless when he hijack foreign words and mangle them to suit our own means. ;)

548 gmsc  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:38:08pm

re: #533 JohnAdams

"Intellectuals" cannot stand simple language because it exposes the facts that 1) Truth is often in plain sight and; 2) They are therefore in many cases not only not needed, but indeed are parasites.

Remember the formula for Simplicity (from Made To Stick):

Simplicity = The core idea + presentation in a compact manner

549 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:38:25pm

re: #547 FurryOldGuyJeans

*PIMF* he = we

550 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:39:02pm

Good evening y'all - sorry to be late but have had a rough day.
Are we still On Topic?

551 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:39:18pm

The anti-jihad movement is in its infancy. The Eurofascist blogs do not translate directly into political power, they still have a long way to go before that happens. How can one be certain that the European blogs will not weed out the fascists? And how does one know that the non-European blogs will not come to their senses before too long?
They are acting like assholes, but there is no basis to completely write off the movement at this point.
Now is a time for iron resolve and patience, and perhaps even to prepare to reach out to the misguided ones when opportunity presents, and help them to return to sanity.

552 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:39:37pm

re: #540 Buster Bunny

Actually thats one of the things that made it highly successful when going around conquering other nations. Traditionally the British would allow most of the existing system to remain intact with a pledge of alegience and sovereignty to the monarchy. But the social structures (to a point, think India) would be left largely intact. There are a lot of old Africans who really do yearn for the years of British Colonialism where they had houses, wages and good food on the table.

yes, I know, but your missing my point, if for example those poor bastards from the colonies would go on and try to live in Britain, they would only be fit to be colorful serves.

553 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:39:44pm

I was once told by someone who had never researched it that the Eskimos have several words for snow. I said that we have several words for the weather too. We have 'cold'. Then we have 'fkin cold'. Then we have 'seriously fkin cold'. After that .. I said .. you really shouldnt be out there even to analyse it.

554 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:39:51pm

re: #542 gmsc

Night!

No, I was saying goodnight to OR. I'm so confused.

555 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:40:07pm

re: #550 realwest

Good evening y'all - sorry to be late but have had a rough day.
Are we still On Topic?

550 posts into a topic and you want to know we we still are On Topic?

Shirley, you can't be serious. ;)

556 phoenixgirl  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:40:13pm

re: #546 Salamantis

One should endeavor to be simultaneously precise and concise. I think that one reason that the English language is winning the Darwinian competition between languages is that it facilitates this far better than most other tongues.

k.i.s.s.

557 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:40:40pm

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans

550 posts into a topic and you want to know we we still are On Topic?

Shirley, you can't be serious. ;)

Don't call me serious.

558 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:40:42pm

re: #550 realwest

Good evening y'all - sorry to be late but have had a rough day.
Are we still On Topic?

Good evening Realwest! Hope tonight finds you well...What's up?
/every topic covered..we'll get you in the loop.

559 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:40:59pm

re: #550 realwest

Good evening y'all - sorry to be late but have had a rough day.
Are we still On Topic?

Depends on what topic you're referring to.

560 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:41:01pm

re: #554 Walter L. Newton

No, I was saying goodnight to OR. I'm so confused.

Think how he confused he feels now. Out [of the closet] and all. ;)

561 JohnAdams  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:41:27pm

re: #539 Sharmuta

I stuck this in my favorites. The next time I need some help understanding intellectuals, I will look at it. Thanks.

Surprising how much of this is age-old wisdom that goes back to Aristotle, great Zen masters, and countless others (and interesting too that it happened of its own accord in different places and in different eras of time). Much owes to basic acceptance of Reality that no person, government, or philosophy was ever the author of--this is the World.

562 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:41:38pm
563 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:41:50pm

re: #550 realwest

Good evening y'all - sorry to be late but have had a rough day.
Are we still On Topic?

Hope you're okay? I think some people are on topic, still. I got lost in the spinoff zone

564 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:42:12pm
565 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:42:29pm

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans
Don't call me Shirley - aside from being incorrect it's almost as old as I am! LOL!
And yes on a science/Creatinism thread we've gone waaay past 500 comments and stayed on topic before, just checking to see if we still are.

566 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:42:37pm

re: #562 rightside

Gotta be Bush's fault

OMG, that is just plan barbaric.

567 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:42:51pm

re: #551 Spare O'Lake

The anti-jihad movement is in its infancy. The Eurofascist blogs do not translate directly into political power, they still have a long way to go before that happens. How can one be certain that the European blogs will not weed out the fascists? And how does one know that the non-European blogs will not come to their senses before too long?
They are acting like assholes, but there is no basis to completely write off the movement at this point.
Now is a time for iron resolve and patience, and perhaps even to prepare to reach out to the misguided ones when opportunity presents, and help them to return to sanity.

exactly...they dont seem to have much power except in their words for now...they need to be exposed and hammered for the marginal jackboot elitist club that they...iron resolve desribes it perfectly and I hope LGF leads the resistance...maybe sanity will prevail

568 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:42:52pm

re: #550 realwest

Good evening y'all - sorry to be late but have had a rough day.
Are we still On Topic?

Good evening Real, how are you?

569 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:43:14pm

re: #552 2by2

yes, I know, but your missing my point, if for example those poor bastards from the colonies would go on and try to live in Britain, they would only be fit to be colorful serves.

Britain has had a funny set of social rigors for the past 200 years. Actually one of the funny ones, it took a serial killer called Jack the Ripper to have both the upper and lower classes co-operating in ways they hadnt for years. But it continues to go in cycles, one minute its 'de rigeur' to mingle with the 'other' classes, the next its .. well .. not a good idea. It fluctuates about every two generations it seems, but its always been there.

570 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:43:22pm

re: #557 Walter L. Newton
ROTFLMAO! I gotta remember that one! How are ya tonight Walter?

571 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:43:56pm

re: #565 realwest

Don't call me Shirley - aside from being incorrect it's almost as old as I am! LOL!
And yes on a science/Creatinism thread we've gone waaay past 500 comments and stayed on topic before, just checking to see if we still are.

I know we have stayed on the straight and narrow a number of times in the past, but not tonight. The ID trolls simply refused to come in out of the cold and get whacked.

572 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:44:01pm

re: #562 rightside

Gotta be Bush's fault

yah. There is so much wrong with that whole sad story, it is hard to know where to start, isn't it.

573 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:44:17pm

To me it's a simple case of haters drawn to other haters. If you let your basest emotions drive you to conclusions you are surely doomed.
We all have natural cognitive bias enough that we aren't able to control even through reason (see Eliezer here,) that to pile automatic knee jerk biases on top of those is to end all sanity.

574 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:45:05pm

re: #566 FurryOldGuyJeans

Since Belgium has no law banning the sale of children...

Can you comprehend that?

575 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:45:40pm

re: #569 Buster Bunny

Britain has had a funny set of social rigors for the past 200 years. Actually one of the funny ones, it took a serial killer called Jack the Ripper to have both the upper and lower classes co-operating in ways they hadnt for years. But it continues to go in cycles, one minute its 'de rigeur' to mingle with the 'other' classes, the next its .. well .. not a good idea. It fluctuates about every two generations it seems, but its always been there.

OK, mingle maybe once in a while, but really accepting 'those people' with the wrong accent, and allow them to move up in society? Nope. Never.

576 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:46:00pm

re: #558 HoosierHoops
I'm just tired is all that's up - and I gotta stay up a while longer for my last meds this evening.
I'm beginning to have serious doubts about Manning v Manning in the SB cause the Giants Manning gets no protection, has lost his #1 receiver and #1 RB and the offensive line is banged up AND WE gotta play the Panthers this weekend.
If we don't beat or at least play REALLY well against the Panthers, we'll be out of the playoffs after the first round.

577 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:46:52pm

re: #559 Irish Rose
HI Rose - well the thread topic or as it's probably been expanded, to creationism, science and ID.

578 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:47:24pm

re: #550 realwest

Good evening y'all - sorry to be late but have had a rough day.
Are we still On Topic?

Bird Lizard. Dead Bird Lizard. Long Dead Bird Lizard. Evil Long Dead Bird Lizard.

Evolved? Created? Dead?

Your Choice.

Just dont spell it. Please .. for me. (see #481)

579 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:47:45pm

re: #577 realwest

HI Rose - well the thread topic or as it's probably been expanded, to creationism, science and ID.

Would you believe we're discussing fascists?

580 Joan  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:47:50pm

re: #573 Thanos

To me it's a simple case of haters drawn to other haters

yes, Creep Calleth Unto Creep.

581 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:48:07pm

re: #576 realwest

I'm just tired is all that's up - and I gotta stay up a while longer for my last meds this evening.
I'm beginning to have serious doubts about Manning v Manning in the SB cause the Giants Manning gets no protection, has lost his #1 receiver and #1 RB and the offensive line is banged up AND WE gotta play the Panthers this weekend.
If we don't beat or at least play REALLY well against the Panthers, we'll be out of the playoffs after the first round.

sorry bro no repeat for Eli...but I do predict they will turn it around against Carolina...the Gints are pretty good just not good enough

582 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:48:08pm

re: #571 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know we have stayed on the straight and narrow a number of times in the past, but not tonight. The ID trolls simply refused to come in out of the cold and get whacked.

we had one, briefly with an incredible video link...re: #38 Cdat88

Yes, but dispute the perfectness of the banana, you ID haters!

Atheists nightmare

583 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:48:22pm

re: #563 Joan
Thanks Joan - yeah, I'm ok just really tired and right shoulder still sore is all.
I can see by skimming that some folks are more or less on topic, others seem to be all over the place!

584 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:48:26pm
585 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:48:34pm
586 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:49:07pm

re: #570 realwest

ROTFLMAO! I gotta remember that one! How are ya tonight Walter?

Fine, staying warm, below zero tonight again. So you didn't miss my raptor, see this link...

Image: DSCN1557.JPG

Maisey the evolution of the dino

587 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:49:43pm

re: #576 realwest

I'm just tired is all that's up - and I gotta stay up a while longer for my last meds this evening.
I'm beginning to have serious doubts about Manning v Manning in the SB cause the Giants Manning gets no protection, has lost his #1 receiver and #1 RB and the offensive line is banged up AND WE gotta play the Panthers this weekend.
If we don't beat or at least play REALLY well against the Panthers, we'll be out of the playoffs after the first round.

oh jeez rw you forgot something..The only reason both of us have a Superbowl trophy( sweet huh?) Is because our Defense came alive at the end of the season. The last 2 sb champions came from the last spot in the Wildcard. Your defense expressed wieryness today..Not good.

588 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:50:22pm

re: #567 albusteve
and #551 Spare O'Lake I asked this on the dead thread, I think, but do we have a list of attendees at that conference in Brussels?

589 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:50:30pm

re: #582 2by2

That one was just a mere blip on the radar, a pimple and an aberration. We spent more time talking about Smurf sex than that one.

590 Pietr  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:50:44pm

re: #577 realwest

Evening RW. Hope you're able to make that final stretch for the evening meds-you sound tuckered.

591 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:51:13pm

re: #568 2by2
I'm ok, just a little tired thanks - how are you doing tonight?

592 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:51:30pm

re: #585 FurryOldGuyJeans


Just wow.

593 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:52:08pm

re: #588 realwest

and #551 Spare O'Lake I asked this on the dead thread, I think, but do we have a list of attendees at that conference in Brussels?

Sharmuta might...she keeps abreast of that stuff

594 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:52:14pm

re: #576 realwest

I'm just tired is all that's up - and I gotta stay up a while longer for my last meds this evening.

Staying up for drugs...now that must be nice. ;)

///

595 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:52:15pm

re: #589 FurryOldGuyJeans

That one was just a mere blip on the radar, a pimple and an aberration. We spent more time talking about Smurf sex than that one.

true, funny video though, (unfortunately it wasn't meant as comedy, as I originally thought, it's just plain and simply stupid)

596 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:52:26pm

re: #587 HoosierHoops

oh jeez rw you forgot something..The only reason both of us have a Superbowl trophy( sweet huh?) Is because our Defense came alive at the end of the season. The last 2 sb champions came from the last spot in the Wildcard. Your defense expressed wieryness today..Not good.

You have a Superbowl trophy? One of our box office volunteers at the theatre has a Rockies World Series ring, 69 diamonds, a bunch of amythest and white gold. She's high up in the front office, only a few of front office personal go team rings.

597 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:52:54pm

re: #593 albusteve

Sharmuta might...she keeps abreast of that stuff

Drink... Boob thread...

598 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:53:26pm

re: #592 rightside

Just wow.

Europe is seriously fucked-up, ain't it? No matter how bad things are in the US they sure don't hold a candle to the Old Country.

599 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:53:27pm

re: #597 Walter L. Newton

Drink... Boob thread...

a thread just for you?

600 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:53:38pm

re: #584 ContraJihadi


As for Israel and the "Palestinians:" F..k the Palestinians and send them to Egypt and Jordan. If their fellow Arabs want to let them die at the borders, that's just too frickin' bad. Once Israel is secure, THEN you can talk to me about the plight of the Palestinians, not before. I was in the past willing to give them a chance, but they have effin' blown it in Gaza: to hell with them. Screw them and the 7th-century donkeys they rode into town on.

Bigel, is that you?

601 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:54:01pm

re: #593 albusteve

Sharmuta might...she keeps abreast of that stuff

I'm telling! You said *GASP* breast! ;)

602 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:54:36pm

re: #591 realwest

thanks, I'm all wired since I came back from playing hockey 2 hours ago, funny feeling head wants to sleep, body wants to jump...

603 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:54:44pm

re: #584 ContraJihadi

So cut to the chase, are you saying Deport all muslims period, or just the Deobandis, or what? Please be specific in response.

604 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:55:06pm

re: #597 Walter L. Newton

Drink... Boob thread...

Cdat was much earlier in the thread...you're late. ;)

605 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:55:30pm

re: #604 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cdat was much earlier in the thread...you're late. ;)

Did she have boobs?

606 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:55:35pm

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

You have a Superbowl trophy? One of our box office volunteers at the theatre has a Rockies World Series ring, 69 diamonds, a bunch of amythest and white gold. She's high up in the front office, only a few of front office personal go team rings.

The only problem is they keep it locked up somewhere in Indianapolis.. Even though I'm sure I own it they have never allowed me a viewing..I think there are Constitutional rights at play..

607 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:55:43pm

re: #604 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cdat was much earlier in the thread...you're late. ;)

Its NEVER too late to drink to a boob thread. :)

Drink !

608 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:56:00pm

re: #579 Sharmuta
Uh, yeah I guess so - maybe we need a thread to properly bash the Fascists though. It's why I asked at #588 if we have a list of attendees at that conference. I distinctly remember someone, maybe Killgore, saying that when speeches denouncing ALL OF ISLAM were made, they were met with thunderous applause and only - iirc - Mark Steyn talked about Islamic Jihadists and received a rather tepid response.

609 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:56:50pm

re: #605 Walter L. Newton

Did she have boobs?

Nah, just WAS one. ;)

610 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:57:51pm

re: #608 realwest

Uh, yeah I guess so - maybe we need a thread to properly bash the Fascists though. It's why I asked at #588 if we have a list of attendees at that conference. I distinctly remember someone, maybe Killgore, saying that when speeches denouncing ALL OF ISLAM were made, they were met with thunderous applause and only - iirc - Mark Steyn talked about Islamic Jihadists and received a rather tepid response.

Daniel Pipes.

611 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:58:15pm

re: #584 ContraJihadi

well that's not gonna fly...Americans wont stand for mass deportations or taking some meaningless oaths...actually it's preposterous...wtf?

612 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:58:32pm

re: #607 Buster Bunny

Its NEVER too late to drink to a boob thread. :)

Drink !

I would rather play with boobs than drink to 'em...much easier on the liver and a lot more pleasurable for both parties involved. ;)

613 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:58:39pm

re: #581 albusteve
Well if our #1 receiver hadn't shot himself in the leg, and our #1 RB (who was in the top 10 rushers this year) hadn't hurt his ankle, and if we didn't have an all-pro defensive end suffer a season ending injury before the first game we might be pretty good.
Course, if my aunt has testicles she'd be my uncle, too!

614 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:58:40pm

re: #598 FurryOldGuyJeans

But I thought we were the worst country on the planet, in all of man's history? Surely George Bush is the worst human evah! Makes Pol Pot look like a neighborhood bully.

615 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:58:49pm

re: #584 ContraJihadi

If we are going to claim to uphold the Constitution, then our actions must follow our words. We cannot support Free Exercise for me but none for thee.

I do believe we can remain Constitutionally grounded and deal with radical islamists, but we cannot deport muslims who may already be citizens. This would lead to a very slippery slope- one I'm not interested in traveling.

Please be cautious in this regard.

616 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:58:55pm
617 Teacake!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:59:02pm

Hey ya'll! My laptop died last week and I need to buy a new one on a very limited budget... any suggestions about where and what to get in the $4oo range? I don't need anything fancy but I'm looking for at least one with a decent dvd burner - i had an acer laptop but it doesn't have to be that.

Love to see what suggestions you guys come up with. thanks!

618 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 8:59:10pm

re: #607 Buster Bunny

Its NEVER too late to drink to a boob thread. :)

Drink !

I am in fact...vodka and banana/strawberry juice

619 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:00:14pm

re: #606 HoosierHoops

The only problem is they keep it locked up somewhere in Indianapolis.. Even though I'm sure I own it they have never allowed me a viewing..I think there are Constitutional rights at play..

This is one, this is from MLB, but shit, what a lousy picture. She wears it everywhere. She says it's valued at 18 thousand.

Image: dXuNC2es.jpg

620 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:00:39pm

re: #611 albusteve

well that's not gonna fly...Americans wont stand for mass deportations or taking some meaningless oaths...actually it's preposterous...wtf?

It did work a number of years ago, sad to say, at this moment in time it would not as easy. Given the right catalyst I can see it happening again, though.

621 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:01:25pm

re: #611 albusteve

Fijordman clone. Don't bother. Report it and let charles handle it.

622 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:01:54pm

re: #586 Walter L. Newton
LOL! What happened to ruffle Maisey's feathers in that photo Walter - or was she just posing?!

623 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:01:58pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

This is one, this is from MLB, but shit, what a lousy picture. She wears it everywhere. She says it's valued at 18 thousand.

[Link: mlb.mlb.com...]

*DROOL*

624 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:02:24pm

re: #584 ContraJihadi

Yeah. Sieg heil, whatever, man.

625 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:02:27pm

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

If he is, he's been doing it since he was a young man, and riding the nutzoid gravy train fo a long time...

[Link: fuzzinstallment.com...]

Ah well. There it is.

There always seems (to me, at any rate) to be a certain, very subtle "you can't be serious" tone in his voice.

626 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:02:38pm

re: #617 Teacake!

Hey ya'll! My laptop died last week and I need to buy a new one on a very limited budget... any suggestions about where and what to get in the $4oo range? I don't need anything fancy but I'm looking for at least one with a decent dvd burner - i had an acer laptop but it doesn't have to be that.

Love to see what suggestions you guys come up with. thanks!

Anything in that price range WITHOUT VISTA. If they insist that it has to have Vista on it, ask for a discount. Try to find a deal with one that has XP with Service Pack 3.

627 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:02:59pm

re: #616 Iron Fist

Hate for a specific individual, or even a specific group like Code Pink might be merited, but hate for a people? Sorry can't go there with you.

628 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:03:11pm

re: #590 Pietr Oh yeah, I'll make it to the final meds, tired though I are! Thanks
Pietr!
What's doing with you tonight?

629 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:03:13pm
630 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:04:08pm

re: #613 realwest

Well if our #1 receiver hadn't shot himself in the leg, and our #1 RB (who was in the top 10 rushers this year) hadn't hurt his ankle, and if we didn't have an all-pro defensive end suffer a season ending injury before the first game we might be pretty good.
Course, if my aunt has testicles she'd be my uncle, too!

oh get over Plaxs' botched suicide attempt...where was Toomer the other night...or Smith? for that matter...I'll tell you where ...shut down by one proven DB and a bunch of kids!...I will say that animal Jacobs not playing makes a difference :)...I got a think about your relatives for a second...ha!

631 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:04:12pm

re: #621 swamprat

I think it's unfair to categorize Contra as a fjordman clone. I do hope he'll consider what I said about our First Amendment rights and reconsider his position. He's always shown himself to open to reason, so a reasoned argument will go further than insults in his case.

632 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:04:21pm

re: #622 realwest

LOL! What happened to ruffle Maisey's feathers in that photo Walter - or was she just posing?!

I had sprayed her with water from a water bottle. It's the way I bathe her.

633 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:04:25pm

re: #629 ContraJihadi

Well, to be honest with you, my reason was saying one thing and my emotions another.

My reason was saying that there should be some standard similar to that in the 1950's regarding (mostly communistic) aliens, a test for their loyalty to the Constitution.

My emotions are saying to Muslims, "Unless you very, very explicitly are willing to abide by the law of our land, the Constitution, and renounce all adherence to Sharia, get the hell out of here."

Slippery. Slope.

634 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:04:31pm

re: #617 Teacake!

get a refurbished mac book or i-book, you might be able to score one here or here
don't buy a Dell, they suck (had two dying with fried mboards, before I became a happy mac user)

635 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:04:38pm

re: #615 Sharmuta

There is the same wordy bullshit you were just talking about. Hell, it might be him. Laced into that post is some nasty stuff.

636 jaunte  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:05:08pm

re: #629 ContraJihadi


I don't think the 1950's loyalty tests were actually effective in preventing communist espionage.

637 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:05:23pm

re: #614 rightside

But I thought we were the worst country on the planet, in all of man's history? Surely George Bush is the worst human evah! Makes Pol Pot look like a neighborhood bully.

Seriously, I don't listen to the bullshit media, leftoids, or the rest of the world to form my opinion on things. I spent my 10 years Naval service going places and doing things that made me appreciate the US, warts and all, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Are we perfect? Hardly. For me we are the best of a bad lot of cranky failed human beings. Enlightened self-interest at its best. :)

638 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:05:30pm

Disgusting is the right word for that crap, and you're not welcome to post it at LGF.

639 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:05:34pm

re: #629 ContraJihadi

A pox upon both your soxes. Begone!

640 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:05:38pm

re: #629 ContraJihadi


My emotions are saying to Muslims, "Unless you very, very explicitly are willing to abide by the law of our land, the Constitution, and renounce all adherence to Sharia, get the hell out of here."

Make them stand on a Koran. If they don't do it, out.

641 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:06:10pm

re: #602 2by2
Ah, well yeah, Adrenalin can have that effect on you.
Don't worry, if that's it, you'll be asleep before I will!

642 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:06:31pm

re: #635 swamprat

Again- I have always found ContraJ to open to reason. It's a better method in his case.

643 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:07:14pm

re: #620 FurryOldGuyJeans

It did work a number of years ago, sad to say, at this moment in time it would not as easy. Given the right catalyst I can see it happening again, though.

I was gonna temper what I said with something like all could change when Long Beach gets nuked...and btw I have never come to terms with the internment of the Japanese-Americans...a very dark time indeed...shameful...I think it was maximum knee jerk...imo

644 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:07:41pm

re: #625 Spiny Norman

Ah well. There it is.

There always seems (to me, at any rate) to be a certain, very subtle "you can't be serious" tone in his voice.

Well, like I said, unless he just realized a good market early on. I've mentioned this before, but in the 70's, I had a once a month talk show from 12 midnight to 5 am on a 50 thousand watt station (KRLD) in Dallas, co-hosted with Sandra Senness, a psychic, and we talked about all kinds of para-normal subjects. I didn't believe any of it, but I certainly could let the callers babble on about it.

645 Teacake!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:08:04pm

refurb mac for $$400 would be a miracle dream! What's with vista? I know nothing about that.

646 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:08:05pm

re: #617 Teacake!


Here's a suggestion.

647 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:08:17pm

re: #641 realwest

Ah, well yeah, Adrenalin can have that effect on you.
Don't worry, if that's it, you'll be asleep before I will!

having a beer right now and feeling it...

648 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:08:40pm

re: #638 Charles

Disgusting is the right word for that crap, and you're not welcome to post it at LGF.

That is fair- it wasn't pretty.

ContraJ- I hope you rethink what you've said. It's not upholding the Constitution like you think it is.

649 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:08:42pm

Hey Night Lizards! I just turned the heat up in my house in Near Iowa. It's F-in' COLD!

One question. I don't get how scientist figure birds split from reptiles, totally. I'd think that a warm-blooded animal would somehow split from another warm blooded-animal. I get lack of live-birth and mammary glands, but still. If the explanation can't be simplified to ggt-level, skip-it. Thanks.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

650 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:08:44pm

re: #635 swamprat

There is the same wordy bullshit you were just talking about. Hell, it might be him. Laced into that post is some nasty stuff.

NOT!

651 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:09:18pm

re: #610 Spiny Norman
Ah, right, Daniel Pipes - thanks Spiny! Do you by any chance have a list of attendees and do you recall whether or not the rest of my post was correct? It was a comment that just sorta flashed by and I had to leave LGF for a much longer time period than I thought.
And good for Daniel Pipes for having some integrity.

652 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:09:29pm

re: #631 Sharmuta

I think it's unfair to categorize Contra as a fjordman clone. I do hope he'll consider what I said about our First Amendment rights and reconsider his position. He's always shown himself to open to reason, so a reasoned argument will go further than insults in his case.

Gonna have a long time to reconsider their position from the outside looking in.

Karma: 520
ContraJihadi
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653 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:09:39pm

re: #640 rawmuse

Make them stand on a Koran. If they don't do it, out.

I don't think that is right. Do you know any Christians that would stand on a cross just to prove that they are not some Christian Identity survivalist group?

654 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:09:43pm

re: #647 2by2

having a beer right now and feeling it...

I just staggered in from the bar. Nice to see this as the last comment.

655 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:09:44pm

re: #637 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, do I know that! You should have seen Vladivostok (if you didn't)

656 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:09:51pm

re: #640 rawmuse

Please don't encourage that.

657 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:10:11pm

re: #645 Teacake!

refurb mac for $$400 would be a miracle dream! What's with vista? I know nothing about that.

go for an i-book, you can find them for around 400-500, if it has to be a laptop, if not get a mac mini.
Vista is a non functional Microsoft concoction posing as an OS...

658 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:10:13pm

I'm finished giving chances to people who advocate mass deportations.

659 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:10:26pm

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

NO ACER!

660 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:10:49pm

re: #649 ggt

Hey Night Lizards! I just turned the heat up in my house in Near Iowa. It's F-in' COLD!

One question. I don't get how scientist figure birds split from reptiles, totally. I'd think that a warm-blooded animal would somehow split from another warm blooded-animal. I get lack of live-birth and mammary glands, but still. If the explanation can't be simplified to ggt-level, skip-it. Thanks.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Do you know Rober Bakker... I posted this earlier...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

661 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:10:52pm

re: #649 ggt

Birds are a form of dinosaur. A lot of research and discoveries from the 80's on suggest that dinosaurs were warm blooded. So there you go.

/now how did cold blooded reptiles become warm blooded dinosaurs. . . .

662 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:11:01pm

re: #588 realwest

and #551 Spare O'Lake I asked this on the dead thread, I think, but do we have a list of attendees at that conference in Brussels?

Sorry, I don't.

663 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:11:03pm

re: #629 ContraJihadi

Sorry can't go there with you either. Now if you are proposing measures to guard against specific groups, specific schools that we know produce jihadis, and members of Political Islamist terror wings that are proscribed legally, then I can support you.

The roots of this are due the flaws and ugliness in Islam, you are singing to the choir. But most muslims don't really support that part, otherwise we would have had not a few attempts at attacks here in the US since 9/11 but instead thousands and thousands and thousands. So to me if we are to win we must stop pimping Zawahiri's takfirism lest it become a self fullfilling prophecy. We must focus on the true murder mullahs and death clerics, we must focus on specific groups, and we must give the moderates room to reform. The strongest and most effective thing Spencer has done is when he did call for that, but he seems to have lost that focus.

664 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:11:17pm

re: #650 albusteve

well what do I know...

665 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:11:32pm

re: #656 Sharmuta

Please don't encourage that.

Fine, done.

666 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:11:47pm

re: #640 rawmuse

ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS?

667 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:11:52pm

re: #659 ggt

NO ACER!

I didn't say an Acer. I said XP, no VISTA.

668 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:12:22pm

re: #642 Sharmuta

OK.
I know the feeling.

669 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:12:33pm

re: #658 Charles

I hope you don't think I was advocating that you should. I merely was hoping if he was still reading that he does reconsider what he said. That was all.

He was always kind to me, but I cannot support what he said tonight. I was just trying to appeal to the reasoned man I thought I'd come to know.

670 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:12:41pm
671 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:12:45pm

re: #666 MandyManners

ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS?

Have you read it? I have. The whole thing. And the Hadiths.

672 Teacake!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:12:47pm

thanks!

673 rwmofo  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:12:48pm

Looks like I showed up during heightened circumstances.

674 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:13:07pm

re: #654 rwmofo

I just staggered in from the bar. Nice to see this as the last comment.

lol,
it will not be much longer for me ...

675 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:13:11pm

re: #655 rightside

Oh, do I know that! You should have seen Vladivostok (if you didn't)

I wish I could have; I was a Pac-ponder, P3s and CV-63.

676 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:13:27pm

re: #617 Teacake!
Hey teacake - I don't know about laptops, but just got an HP Pavillion Desk top and it's been super for the nearly entire week that I've owned it! LOL! Seriously, I've heard good things about HP and about Dell, in the laptop field, but don't know about price range and add-ons - you could googles Best Buy - if there's one near you - that's where I found my new computer.
BUT be prepared - if it's a PC laptop it's gonna come pre-loade with Windows VISTA and not all software is VISTA compatible.

677 Teacake!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:13:29pm

im staying away from acer... that's what died after 3 years!

678 Pietr  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:13:42pm

re: #628 realwest

Trying to stay warm, still. Started out at 53F at 6AM, was at 40F by 10AM, and we now sit at 35F at 11:11 PM. I've probably run the furnace more since Oct., than I have in any previous fall/winter; most times, I don't even have the pilot on. Can i haz a gorebull warming...

679 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:14:13pm

re: #671 rawmuse

Have you read it? I have. The whole thing. And the Hadiths.

That is not the point.

Good grief.

680 Teacake!  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:14:34pm

thanks realwest -- this vista makes me nervous since all my software is xp

681 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:15:13pm

re: #671 rawmuse

Have you read it? I have. The whole thing. And the Hadiths.

Raw, it doesn't matter. Christian Identity groups, white supermist groups etc. all use the bible to advocate war and race battles. Answer my question, do we make Christians stand on a bible to prove that they are not connect to a radical christian group?

682 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:15:38pm

re: #661 BlueCanuck

Birds are a form of dinosaur. A lot of research and discoveries from the 80's on suggest that dinosaurs were warm blooded. So there you go.

/now how did cold blooded reptiles become warm blooded dinosaurs. . . .

warm-bloodedness being a better adaptive mutation, you know. ;)

683 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:15:46pm

re: #660 Walter L. Newton

thanks!

But the article above states they are looking to: someday understand the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths."

I'm confused. Were some reptiles at some point warm-blooded, or is the author confusing dinosaurs and reptiles?

684 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:16:00pm

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

Raw, it doesn't matter. Christian Identity groups, white supermist groups etc. all use the bible to advocate war and race battles. Answer my question, do we make Christians stand on a bible to prove that they are not connect to a radical christian group?

I'm Roman Catholic, and I wouldn't stand on a Bible. I find that disrespectful.

685 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:16:01pm

My apologies again, Charles. I am just shocked by what I've seen. I did not intend any of what I said to be an appeal for reinstatement. I support whatever decisions you make about your guests.

686 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:16:02pm

re: #621 swamprat
Already deleted.

687 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:16:16pm

re: #678 Pietr

Trying to stay warm, still. Started out at 53F at 6AM, was at 40F by 10AM, and we now sit at 35F at 11:11 PM. I've probably run the furnace more since Oct., than I have in any previous fall/winter; most times, I don't even have the pilot on. Can i haz a gorebull warming...

It was -16 here last night, -4 now. That's cold.

688 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:16:36pm

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

Watch it with the implied equivalence there, Walter.

689 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:16:37pm

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

No, but we do take oaths with a Bible. Or used to.

690 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:16:47pm

re: #675 FurryOldGuyJeans


I spent the majority of my career on the east coast, and every deployment was where west coasters would normally go. Go figure!

Last boat we did an 11 month deployment. I got to see so many cool ports.

Every single port, there were plenty of people who spoke Engligh.

691 JohnAdams  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:17:14pm

re: #663 Thanos

Totally agree. But if the British government and other governments of the West are unable or are just plain afraid to call out the extremist Muslims, how are we to expect peaceful Muslims to muster the courage?

I guess bottom line is, it is relatively easy for example to show how crazed conservative Christians are in the wrong because the basis of their religion is Jesus. Far more difficult to show that peaceful Muslims follow a peace-loving leader. Muhammad was not.

692 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:17:17pm

re: #683 ggt

thanks!

But the article above states they are looking to: someday understand the anatomical split that sent birds and reptiles down different evolutionary paths."

I'm confused. Were some reptiles at some point warm-blooded, or is the author confusing dinosaurs and reptiles?

Did you read my link...

"Robert T. Bakker (born March 24, 1945, in Bergen County, New Jersey) is an American paleontologist who helped reshape modern theories about dinosaurs, particularly by adding support to the theory that some dinosaurs were endothermic (warm-blooded). Along with his mentor John Ostrom, Bakker was responsible for initiating the ongoing "dinosaur renaissance" in paleontological studies, beginning with Bakker's article "Dinosaur Renaissance" in Scientific American, April 1975. His special field is the ecological context and behavior of dinosaurs."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

693 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:17:40pm

re: #631 Sharmuta
Uh Sharm - he's been banned.

694 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:17:42pm

re: #680 Teacake!

thanks realwest -- this vista makes me nervous since all my software is xp

hey..99.9% of all software is easily upgraded to Vista..If you have the horsepower in your box or laptop..Vista is cool and the graphics rock..

695 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:17:49pm

Globla warming has struck here. It was 75 today.

696 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:18:06pm

re: #667 Walter L. Newton

Sorry, Walter, I had an Acer cr@p on me after about 3 months. It was in your price-range, so I figured I'd put in my .02.

697 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:18:09pm

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

It was -16 here last night, -4 now. That's cold.

Ah, Colorado!

698 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:18:30pm

re: #683 ggt

I think the authour is confusing the two. IIRC dinosaurs and reptiles are seperate species.

699 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:18:47pm

re: #689 rawmuse

I'm a Roman Catholic and I know that the Bible is "just" a book. I don't worship books.

700 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:18:55pm

re: #690 rightside

I spent the majority of my career on the east coast, and every deployment was where west coasters would normally go. Go figure!

It's the fucking military, no common sense needed! ;)

701 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:18:59pm

re: #698 BlueCanuck

Thanks.

702 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:19:05pm

re: #693 realwest

I realize that. Thanks for telling me what I already knew.

703 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:19:11pm

re: #689 rawmuse

No, but we do take oaths with a Bible. Or used to.

We don't have patriot oaths in this country that are dependent on the bible. Period. End of that story. People obtaining citizen ship take a loyalty oath, but they don't swear on a holy book of any sort.

704 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:19:24pm

re: #670 Iron Fist

They did what they believed was necessary. What if they hadn't done the internments and the Japanese had been able to get saboturs into California? It could have been worse. A bloody lot worse.

speculation...at the time I dont believe there was any reason to suspect subterfuge on behalf of those people and I think history has proven that...but I get your point...it sorta puts the 'T' in total war eh?...a sad footnote from those times...that's why I was aghast at what CJ just posted...course I could be all wet but my IQ 167 ya know?...

705 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:19:49pm

re: #697 MandyManners

Ah, Colorado!

Ah, me.

706 rightside  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:20:10pm

re: #700 FurryOldGuyJeans

True, but not even they could have written a better script!

707 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:20:30pm

re: #691 JohnAdams

I agree to a certain extent, but if we can't get the islamic scholars to a conference again someday this shit just continues ad infinitum.

The British need to elect politicians who will enforce their laws effectively, it's nuts that they let proscribed groups hold demos in Trafalgar square.

708 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:20:42pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

Ah, me.

Walter ,,, you still here form this morning? Do you EVER see the sun ?

709 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:20:51pm

re: #685 Sharmuta

My apologies again, Charles. I am just shocked by what I've seen. I did not intend any of what I said to be an appeal for reinstatement. I support whatever decisions you make about your guests.

your certainly entitled to give the benefit of the doubt...I would have myself FWIW

710 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:21:11pm

re: #694 HoosierHoops

hey..99.9% of all software is easily upgraded to Vista..If you have the horsepower in your box or laptop..Vista is cool and the graphics rock..

they rock even more on the original Mac OS-X Leopard, and they don't crash...
( I know, I should probably shut up, getting annoying, but I'm so happy with my Mac's that I would do the commercials for them for free)

711 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:21:12pm

re: #692 Walter L. Newton

ya.

712 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:21:39pm

re: #697 MandyManners

Ah, Colorado!

Ah, some place I don't want to be in the winter. ;)

I spent two winters freezing my butt off at Adak Naval Air Station, on deployment from Naval Air Station Barbers Point, Hawaii! *BRRR*

713 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:21:42pm

re: #709 albusteve

your certainly entitled to give the benefit of the doubt...I would have myself FWIW

He never showed that side to me before. I'm shocked, but I support Charles.

714 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:22:47pm

re: #650 albusteve

It's ok. You can just ding me down. I'll take it with pride.

715 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:22:54pm

re: #713 Sharmuta

He never showed that side to me before. I'm shocked, but I support Charles.

someone get Stinky Sticked today ?

716 ornery elephant  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:22:55pm

re: #691 JohnAdams

Totally agree. But if the British government and other governments of the West are unable or are just plain afraid to call out the extremist Muslims, how are we to expect peaceful Muslims to muster the courage?

I guess bottom line is, it is relatively easy for example to show how crazed conservative Christians are in the wrong because the basis of their religion is Jesus. Far more difficult to show that peaceful Muslims follow a peace-loving leader. Muhammad was not.

I saw the videos of the muslim protests in London regarding the Danish cartoons - were the thousands in the streets that day ALL extremists?

717 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:23:13pm

re: #713 Sharmuta

He never showed that side to me before. I'm shocked, but I support Charles.

Two meltdowns tonight...I blame the cold.

718 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:23:21pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

Ah, me.

Yes.

719 phoenixgirl  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:23:47pm

re: #717 FurryOldGuyJeans

Two meltdowns tonight...I blame the cold.

it's so cold we're melting

720 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:23:52pm

re: #667 Walter L. Newton
Well good luck finding a NEW PC with anything but VISTA loaded - I mean I really did look high and low for one and couldn't find it. I preferred XP to VISTA, but now that I'm getting used to VISTA it's not bad - just not enough software around that supports it.

721 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:24:03pm
722 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:24:04pm

re: #713 Sharmuta

He never showed that side to me before. I'm shocked, but I support Charles.

c'mon...let's forge ahead...we have a whole planet to save!

723 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:24:06pm

re: #712 FurryOldGuyJeans

Were you there when the moonbat son of the SF Mayor crossed the ice to Russia?

724 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:24:06pm

There are Nirthers still going crazy on the Nirther thread too. What a world.

725 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:24:12pm

re: #708 sattv4u2

Walter ,,, you still here form this morning? Do you EVER see the sun ?

Monday is technically my day off, the "dark" day in theatre. But, yes, I've done other things today.

1) Made 100 dollars for 30 minutes of a programming task for Kaiser (my only programming work I do currently)
2) Went grocery shopping
3) Dug up a laptop for a prop for our next show.
4) Dropped off laptop at theatre for tonight's rehearsal
5) Worked up some membership packages for the theatre
6) Posted on LGF

726 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:24:28pm

re: #717 FurryOldGuyJeans

Two meltdowns tonight...I blame the cold.

Just look at it as a green alternative to keeping the lizard lair warm.

727 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:24:38pm

re: #712 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ah, some place I don't want to be in the winter. ;)

I spent two winters freezing my butt off at Adak Naval Air Station, on deployment from Naval Air Station Barbers Point, Hawaii! *BRRR*

728 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:25:08pm

re: #650 albusteve

NOT!

Oh. I changed my mind. By all means, do go on. In detail please.

729 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:25:25pm

re: #716 ornery elephant

I saw the videos of the muslim protests in London regarding the Danish cartoons - were the thousands in the streets that day ALL extremists?

No.

730 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:25:34pm

re: #714 swamprat

It's ok. You can just ding me down. I'll take it with pride.

I would never do that...and your insight was pretty keen

731 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:25:35pm

re: #725 Walter L. Newton

Monday is technically my day off, the "dark" day in theatre. But, yes, I've done other things today.

1) Made 100 dollars for 30 minutes of a programming task for Kaiser (my only programming work I do currently)
2) Went grocery shopping
3) Dug up a laptop for a prop for our next show.
4) Dropped off laptop at theatre for tonight's rehearsal
5) Worked up some membership packages for the theatre

6) Posted on LGF


All the rest was a waste of time, wasn't it !

732 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:25:41pm

re: #651 realwest

Ah, right, Daniel Pipes - thanks Spiny! Do you by any chance have a list of attendees and do you recall whether or not the rest of my post was correct? It was a comment that just sorta flashed by and I had to leave LGF for a much longer time period than I thought.
And good for Daniel Pipes for having some integrity.

No. I don't, but Killgore posted about that yesterday.

733 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:26:26pm

re: #723 Thanos

Were you there when the moonbat son of the SF Mayor crossed the ice to Russia?

If it was before or after the mid 80's I wasn't.

734 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:26:53pm

re: #730 albusteve

I misunderstood you post. Sorry.

735 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:26:53pm

re: #718 MandyManners

Yes.

BRAIN BLEECH... STAT.

And we host a concert every year at the theatre by John (?something, I forgot his last name)... a John Denver tribute artist who has been doing this for 30 years. Knew Denver personally, performed together at times with him

AHHH... I hate it.

736 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:28:06pm

re: #727 MandyManners

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

John Denver?!? No, I pass, thank you very much, Ma'am. ;)

737 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:28:09pm

re: #724 Sharmuta

There are Nirthers still going crazy on the Nirther thread too. What a world.

Nirthers are as nutty as Troofers, and just as impervious to reason.

738 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:28:12pm

re: #728 swamprat

Oh. I changed my mind. By all means, do go on. In detail please.

no...I'm not looking for a fight...I obviously misjudged

739 JohnAdams  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:28:56pm

re: #707 Thanos

I agree to a certain extent, but if we can't get the islamic scholars to a conference again someday this shit just continues ad infinitum.

The British need to elect politicians who will enforce their laws effectively, it's nuts that they let proscribed groups hold demos in Trafalgar square.

I am totally with you in principle, but I just don't know how you oppose radical Islam with our legal system. Not only do they not respect it, they spit on it, and they make merry while doing so enjoying free speech and every limit of our legal protection system.

The pointed arrow of Islam (behind which all moderate and many unwilling Muslims unknowingly fly) is basically gangster. They have no more respect for Law than the Mob or Communists. We are basically powerless to even confront them until it is boots on the ground warfare. This is the wide open back door of liberal democracy.

I would love to be wrong on this, so if anyone has a solution, please provide.

740 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:29:04pm

re: #670 Iron Fist
Hey Fist! Listen I do understand where you're coming from on this and I can also say that I do HATE any people who wish me or mine harm.
But I have to disagree with you here; we can't have the Constitution "modified" or outright ignored - most of those in the Japanese internment camps were Native Born Americans - and they didn't get the protections of the Constitution that they should have. I understand the "OMG we've just been attacked, round 'em all up" POV right after Pearl Harbor, but understanding it isn't agreeing with it.

741 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:29:16pm

re: #731 sattv4u2

All the rest was a waste of time, wasn't it !

Well no, but I suspect, since it was my day off, I spent the majority of it on the computer, and the most of that time on LGF.

We just came off of 5 performances in 4 days. And then 4 more this week, and then, 2 weeks off (well, almost off, we have some little things to do before Jan. 1st, and our next show opens Jan. 7th).

742 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:29:51pm

re: #736 FurryOldGuyJeans

John Denver?!? No, I pass, thank you very much, Ma'am. ;)

Thank you, thank you, I thought I was going to get slammed for my last comment.

743 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:30:10pm

re: #724 Sharmuta

There are Nirthers still going crazy on the Nirther thread too. What a world.

They are STILL at it?!? Good G'd, where's the orderlies for the inmates?

744 Panhandler  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:30:11pm

re: #712 FurryOldGuyJeans
Landed at Adak one nice Jan day. They said the RCR was 2, they lied. Wheels never turned, just slid. We braked with reverse thrust and steered with differential. You better believe we did some extra careful crew briefing for the takeoff.

745 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:30:12pm

re: #733 FurryOldGuyJeans

If it was before or after the mid 80's I wasn't.

1986

[Link: news.google.com...]

746 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:30:42pm

re: #738 albusteve

I know I'm tired.

747 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:30:44pm

re: #734 swamprat

I misunderstood you post. Sorry.

alot of that goin around lol!...might be time for some of this...

748 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:31:40pm

re: #739 JohnAdams

All criminals spit on the law, that shouldn't stop anyone from enforcing it.

749 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:31:49pm

re: #742 Walter L. Newton

Thank you, thank you, I thought I was going to get slammed for my last comment.

I would prefer doing a pre-frontal lobotomy on myself by shoving cooked peas up my nose than spend even one milli-second voluntarily listening to JD. He is worse than Vogon poetry IMO. ;)

750 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:31:54pm

re: #703 Walter L. Newton

I've read the Constitution, I've read the Koran.
As social contracts go, the two are completely incompatible.
The mullahs and imams would agree, and preach that the Koran should have primacy in the lives of Muslims. They preach that here, in the US.
Just sayin'

751 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:32:28pm

re: #721 Iron Fist

I've got a student who is half Japanese. Her mom was in Japan working in a munitions factory when we did Nagasaki. If the cloud cover had been different it would have been her city that was hit. She would have been killed, my student never born.

War is a terrible thing. But it is not the most terrible thing.

what a story...what a life and youre spot on...I hope we never go back to that future bro

752 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:32:44pm

Good night, Lizards!

I hear her voice...

753 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:32:51pm

re: #678 Pietr
Sorry Pietr, but it's now called Climate Change, not Global Warming.
And I feel for ya - but we were lucky today - it went from 45 this morning to 68 this afternoon and is now 58 - probably won't go below 50 tonight/early this morning.
Same thing for the whole week - but next week it's supposed to get cold, I mean COLD - and yes, we've run our heating system waaay more than in the last few years.

754 swamprat  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:33:28pm

re: #747 albusteve
Semi-zydeco.
Nice.

755 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:34:05pm

re: #750 rawmuse

I've read the Constitution, I've read the Koran.
As social contracts go, the two are completely incompatible.
The mullahs and imams would agree, and preach that the Koran should have primacy in the lives of Muslims. They preach that here, in the US. Just sayin'

And the Christian Identity Movement and their preachers would agree, and preach that the Bible should have primacy in the lives of whites. They preach that here, in the US. Just sayin'

756 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:34:09pm

re: #745 Thanos

1986

[Link: news.google.com...]

Wasn't. Not that we would have known or cared about such crap if we had been. We were too busy writing letters to the Soviet Union and getting Miniature Soviet Flags and Official Soviet-American Friendship Certificates.

That, and drinking mass quantities of Southern Comfort and Squirt. ;)

757 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:34:16pm

re: #754 swamprat

Semi-zydeco.
Nice.

they originated from New Orleans

758 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:34:51pm

re: #756 FurryOldGuyJeans

Don't forget the fried spam...

759 Macker  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:35:01pm

OK Mac Lizards, who's all downloaded and installed 10.5.6?

760 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:35:02pm

The weather in Near Iowa tonite.

761 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:35:56pm

re: #760 ggt

The weather in Near Iowa tonite.

geez! Near Iowa

762 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:36:22pm

re: #758 Thanos

Don't forget the fried spam...

No fried spam on Adak in the galley when I was there. What a shame, I do like the stuff on occasions.

763 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:36:31pm

re: #694 HoosierHoops
I sure wouldn't say 99% - hell my e-mail software hasn't even been upgraded to VISTA - and until VISTA catches on in the business environment, I think a lot of software folks won't bother about compatibility (h/t Walter I. Newton).

764 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:36:52pm

re: #755 Walter L. Newton

The difference being that the Bible does not have actual scriptural passages forbidding submission to civilian governance.

765 Macker  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:37:22pm

re: #721 Iron Fist

I've got a student who is half Japanese. Her mom was in Japan working in a munitions factory when we did Nagasaki. If the cloud cover had been different it would have been her city that was hit. She would have been killed, my student never born.

War is a terrible thing. But it is not the most terrible thing.

Niigata.

766 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:38:05pm

re: #702 Sharmuta
Well when I wrote my comment you didn't know it.

767 JohnAdams  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:38:09pm

re: #748 Thanos

All criminals spit on the law, that shouldn't stop anyone from enforcing it.

Absolutely. But I don't believe it is against the law to say that the Constitution should be burned and replaced with Sharia law. It takes people to stand up and tell those people that they are wrong. It is public square.

My worry is that we are public square/blogosphere libertarians, while radical Muslims are boots on the ground/intimadators/thugs who change hearts and minds the old-fashioned way.

768 lostlakehiker  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:39:05pm

re: #533 JohnAdams

"Intellectuals" cannot stand simple language because it exposes the facts that 1) Truth is often in plain sight and; 2) They are therefore in many cases not only not needed, but indeed are parasites.

Parasites? Geez. Truth is often not in plain sight, but anti-intellectuals think it is. They favor plain and simple language that plainly and simply gets to the point. But does it arrive at the factually correct point? They have no patience for patient digging into the matter, for doubt and second thoughts. As Einstein wrote, everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler.

Almost all of our economy runs on principles which were not understood even 100 years ago and which were in large part the work of scientists.

Writers generally count as intellectuals. They don't raise food, but they provide us food for thought which is important too, especially now that calories are cheap and abundant.

The work of an intellectual is more demanding than generally recognized. Consider Irene Pepperberg, whose studies with Alex the parrot have revolutionized our understanding of bird

(see, I'm not off topic)

brains and their capacity. You could read her book Alex and me. She got by on meager rations, living in a nearly unheated apartment at times. Meanwhile, the movers and shakers of finance have smoothly plundered us [and, good for a chuckle, sometimes each other] at the rate of 50 billion a pop. Factory workers at GM are given employment in "job banks", where they draw wages but don't work. And when they do, how's the quality, guys? And then there are the out and out parasites. The criminals, who are predators until locked away and parasites the rest of the time, the welfare cheats, the sharpers who live by fraud, and the Rod Blagos of this world.

769 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:40:05pm
770 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:40:28pm

re: #718 MandyManners
LOL! That's just the song I was thinking when I read his post! Thanks for the link!

771 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:40:29pm

re: #764 rawmuse

The difference being that the Bible does not have actual scriptural passages forbidding submission to civilian governance.

It doesn't fucking matter. Have you ever read any of the tripe that comes out of those groups. They spin scripture so their members believe their only mission is to promote the white race, over any national interest.

Research these groups.

772 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:41:11pm

re: #764 rawmuse

The difference being that the Bible does not have actual scriptural passages forbidding submission to civilian governance.

we are a nation of laws not scriptual passages...nobody has to worship the federal govt...I sure dont...not that your implying such a thing

773 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:42:15pm

re: #771 Walter L. Newton

It doesn't fucking matter. Have you ever read any of the tripe that comes out of those groups. They spin scripture so their members believe their only mission is to promote the white race, over any national interest.

Research these groups.

Why should I? Have they flown any airplanes in to the Pentagon? Did they knock down the WTC? As far as I can tell the most damage they do is marry their cousins.

774 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:42:59pm

re: #759 Macker

OK Mac Lizards, who's all downloaded and installed 10.5.6?

just clicked on the software update button, still checking, I have 10.5.5, but not much longer, I guess.
Why, anything wrong with it?

775 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:43:12pm

re: #732 Spiny Norman
Yup, that's the comment I was thinking about. Wonder if, nah to hell with it. I'd just like to know who was there for that.

776 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:43:54pm

re: #762 FurryOldGuyJeans

No fried spam on Adak in the galley when I was there. What a shame, I do like the stuff on occasions.

It was about the only non-locally hunted meat substance you could get in Pt. Barrow in the winter for me.

Time to get some sleeps now, some Tom Petty

777 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:44:20pm

re: #766 realwest

Uh- I did, you just didn't know that I did.

778 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:44:28pm

re: #774 2by2

just clicked on the software update button, still checking, I have 10.5.5, but not much longer, I guess.
Why, anything wrong with it?

wow, will take another 15 min with high speed connection to download...

779 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:45:04pm

re: #773 rawmuse

Why should I? Have they flown any airplanes in to the Pentagon? Did they knock down the WTC? As far as I can tell the most damage they do is marry their cousins.

No, but they had Waco, Ruby Ridge, McVey was connected with a number of Identity groups. Where have you been? Is there a difference between violent racist, in your mind.

780 ggt  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:45:20pm

re: #769 FurryOldGuyJeans

luckily at these temperatures, the dogs don't waste

781 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:45:43pm

re: #735 Walter L. Newton
WOW, John Denver "tribute artist" and of course the ever popular Roger McGuinn with the Rickenbacker - you sure get to meet some interesting folks, Walter!

782 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:45:51pm

re: #773 rawmuse

Why should I? Have they flown any airplanes in to the Pentagon? Did they knock down the WTC? As far as I can tell the most damage they do is marry their cousins.

haha!...good point...nevertheless people can read and believe whatever the hell they want as long as they obey the law...that's what makes America great...unfortunately it may also be our soft underbelly but that's the way it has to be

783 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:46:21pm

re: #781 realwest

WOW, John Denver "tribute artist" and of course the ever popular Roger McGuinn with the Rickenbacker - you sure get to meet some interesting folks, Walter!

I could do without the John Denver tribute artist.

784 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:46:54pm

re: #776 Thanos

It was about the only non-locally hunted meat substance you could get in Pt. Barrow in the winter for me.

Time to get some sleeps now, some Tom Petty

sweet Thanos...I'm diggin it

785 2by2  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:47:32pm

yoohoo Macker,
why were you asking about the update?

786 Pietr  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:48:46pm

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

I grew up in Ohio, Walter; But I've called San Antonio home for 31 years. (Tho Uncle Sam sent me to England and Oklahoma for 7 1/2 yrs during that time). The blood thins when one is in a place where you NORMALLY run the A/C right thru winter. Let's say I can survive the cold, but am Bitchin' about it being unusual...LOL.

PS: with wind chill, it is probably more like 25 right now-very breezy.

787 JohnAdams  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:49:14pm

re: #768 lostlakehiker

Parasites? Geez. Truth is often not in plain sight, but anti-intellectuals think it is. They favor plain and simple language that plainly and simply gets to the point. But does it arrive at the factually correct point? They have no patience for patient digging into the matter, for doubt and second thoughts. As Einstein wrote, everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler.

Almost all of our economy runs on principles which were not understood even 100 years ago and which were in large part the work of scientists.

Writers generally count as intellectuals. They don't raise food, but they provide us food for thought which is important too, especially now that calories are cheap and abundant.

The work of an intellectual is more demanding than generally recognized. Consider Irene Pepperberg, whose studies with Alex the parrot have revolutionized our understanding of bird

(see, I'm not off topic)

brains and their capacity. You could read her book Alex and me. She got by on meager rations, living in a nearly unheated apartment at times. Meanwhile, the movers and shakers of finance have smoothly plundered us [and, good for a chuckle, sometimes each other] at the rate of 50 billion a pop. Factory workers at GM are given employment in "job banks", where they draw wages but don't work. And when they do, how's the quality, guys? And then there are the out and out parasites. The criminals, who are predators until locked away and parasites the rest of the time, the welfare cheats, the sharpers who live by fraud, and the Rod Blagos of this world.

It's bedtime and end-thread, but your thoughtful post deserves a response. I am not anti-intellectual in the broad sense, but in the sense that many people from academia proffer horrendously stupid ideas from a pulpit of "intellectualism" and often with full abandonment of simple common sense that good children are taught before the age of ten. And to the contrary I think that science is the biggest victim of this kind of intellectualism. Awhile back I posted a wonderful essay from the late Michael Crichton (you can easily find it on google) that referenced this exact idea--that Science has been too often co-opted by politicians and propagandists for the sake of very narrow, emotional policy goals. Science is the true home of intellectualism because it excepts nothing without demonstrable and easily reproduced evidence.

788 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:49:50pm

re: #782 albusteve

haha!...good point...nevertheless people can read and believe whatever the hell they want as long as they obey the law...that's what makes America great...unfortunately it may also be our soft underbelly but that's the way it has to be

Look, I know you and Rawmuse know how to do this, but here, just in case your lazy...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

789 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:51:06pm

re: #779 Walter L. Newton

No, but they had Waco, Ruby Ridge, McVey was connected with a number of Identity groups. Where have you been? Is there a difference between violent racist, in your mind.

You are going pretty far afield from your original supposition. I am very well read, including all legal precedents. To equate Waco with 9-11 is a big stretch.

I am here to tell you, that the Koran and Hadiths have multiple, and specific, and declarative scriptures that specifically forbid being governed by anything BUT Sharia.

The Bible has no such similar passages.

I am very sorry if that makes for an unpleasant surprise.

790 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:51:07pm

re: #773 rawmuse
"As far as I can tell the most damage they do is marry their first cousins." There, fixed that for you!

791 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:52:20pm

re: #777 Sharmuta
Whatever. I was just trying to be helpful.

792 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:54:37pm

re: #791 realwest

It's a point I think we can both agree to drop.

793 Macker  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:55:14pm

re: #785 2by2

See next thread.

794 realwest  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:55:46pm

re: #792 Sharmuta
Yep.

795 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:58:05pm

re: #789 rawmuse

You are going pretty far afield from your original supposition. I am very well read, including all legal precedents. To equate Waco with 9-11 is a big stretch.

I am here to tell you, that the Koran and Hadiths have multiple, and specific, and declarative scriptures that specifically forbid being governed by anything BUT Sharia.

The Bible has no such similar passages.

I am very sorry if that makes for an unpleasant surprise.

I dont dispute that...but what of it when a Muslim believing Sharia law trumps a civil government wants to emmigrate to the US...are you saying this should not be allowed?...by law?...

796 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 9:59:02pm

re: #788 Walter L. Newton

I read the article. If these groups can claim scriptural justification for their obscene positions, I would like to see them. Sounds like just another form of the KKK to me.

797 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:01:34pm

re: #789 rawmuse

And you can find commentary (which is what the Hadiths are) from Christian Identity preaches and those sorts, who will give you all the foundation you want about where their loyalty lays.

It's just a matter right now of numbers, but the same thing that motivates Islam motivates a number of Christian groups around the world. So, I don't care what's in the book, it's what the marching members believe and are taught.

Making Muslins take loyalty oaths by standing on the Koran is not the answer, it's not anywhere in the fabric of our nation and I can't believe you would suggest it.

But, to each his own.

798 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:04:41pm

re: #795 albusteve

I dont dispute that...but what of it when a Muslim believing Sharia law trumps a civil government wants to emmigrate to the US...are you saying this should not be allowed?...by law?...

Hence my statement that a certain "holy book" should be stood upon, for which I have been scolded. Observant Muslims ALREADY think that their religious creed trumps whatever civil contract they have to swear to obtain citizenship.

It is called Taqiya. They lie. Not only do they lie, they are REQUIRED to lie to the infidel. Most regular readers of this site know that.

That is my ENTIRE point.

799 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:06:03pm

re: #796 rawmuse

I read the article. If these groups can claim scriptural justification for their obscene positions, I would like to see them. Sounds like just another form of the KKK to me.

Hey Raw, you investigate it. I got away from this slime 20 years ago. Do you think I am pulling this out of my ass just to piss you off.

I'm not jumping back in there. What are you implying, that another form of the KKK is not as bad?

Look, if you don't know that there really are some Christian groups that have the same zeal as radical Islam, a zeal to conquer the world, to eliminate all who are not white Christians, then I can't convince you.

I know better. You can hide your head in the sand if you want. Let's have all Christians stand on the bible and swear that they will never use the bible to teach that white people are better than all other people. You may as well, since that's what you think we should do with Muslims and the Koran.

800 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:07:12pm

re: #798 rawmuse

Hence my statement that a certain "holy book" should be stood upon, for which I have been scolded. Observant Muslims ALREADY think that their religious creed trumps whatever civil contract they have to swear to obtain citizenship.

It is called Taqiya. They lie. Not only do they lie, they are REQUIRED to lie to the infidel. Most regular readers of this site know that.

That is my ENTIRE point.

My entire point is your entire proposition is unconstitutional. If you can live with that, fine.

801 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:08:31pm

re: #799 Walter L. Newton

Well, sorry, I have no experience with Christian supremacist groups of any type.
It just never comes up at the Presbyterian coffee klatch, I guess.

802 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:10:10pm

re: #798 rawmuse

... That is my ENTIRE point.

Why don't you admit that your original proposition is unconstitutional and we can drop it right here?

re: #640 rawmuse

Make them stand on a Koran. If they don't do it, out.

803 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:10:48pm

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

OK Walter, you indeed got me there.
Uncle.

804 wolfie  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:12:36pm

re: #796 rawmuse

Yep. These are radical (not "conservative", not traditional, not fundamentalist) pseudo-Christian groups, just like James Cone's black liberationists.
The average Identity guy, just like the average Black Liberationist, would actually have no problem stepping on the Bible.

805 albusteve  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:13:03pm

re: #798 rawmuse

Hence my statement that a certain "holy book" should be stood upon, for which I have been scolded. Observant Muslims ALREADY think that their religious creed trumps whatever civil contract they have to swear to obtain citizenship.

It is called Taqiya. They lie. Not only do they lie, they are REQUIRED to lie to the infidel. Most regular readers of this site know that.

That is my ENTIRE point.

I know that but the words alone, the oaths, and the beliefs cannot trump the principle of personal freedoms and ironically they can believe what they want...I know it's sticky and I dont want to seem argumentative but in the end its not what you say or think it's what you do...if they break the laws of the state they should be made to pay regardless of any religious belief...rant and rave all they want but take down the bag when you come before the court...no you will not stone your daughters in America...you will not persecute gays...whatever...but the state needs to enforce the law regardless...thats my point of view...

I'm outski

806 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:13:20pm

re: #801 rawmuse

Well, sorry, I have no experience with Christian supremacist groups of any type.
It just never comes up at the Presbyterian coffee klatch, I guess.

I don't care what's in the book. It's what you do and teach with the book. The Hebrew scripture tell you to kill gays, but Jews nor Christians teach that.

So, it's not what's in the book, it's what a group decides to teach about what's in the book.

And when you are dealing with a 3000 year old book of religious stories, you can spin them to mean a hell of a lot of nasty things.

Where do you want me to start?

807 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:15:49pm

re: #806 Walter L. Newton

Too late. I already relented. What do you want?

808 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:18:07pm

There is a store in SF, run by Muslims, with a picture of W on the door mat. If you want to go in the store, you have to step on Ws face.
I guess that is what spurred me to my ill considered comment.
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

809 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:19:23pm

re: #807 rawmuse

Too late. I already relented. What do you want?

I was typing while you were posting, I'm done with the subject. Ok.

810 beermeister  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 10:59:36pm

Not very convincing. Snell's law is quite convincing. This fossil isn't. About 6,000 documented cases of human genetic diseases is convincing. This isn't.

Did archaeopteyrx

[Link: [Link: www.mercurynews.com...]...]

survive this?

[Link: findarticles.com...]

811 Buster Bunny  Mon, Dec 15, 2008 11:54:35pm

re: #810 beermeister

Not very convincing. Snell's law is quite convincing. This fossil isn't. About 6,000 documented cases of human genetic diseases is convincing. This isn't.

Did archaeopteyrx

[Link: [Link: www.mercurynews.com...]...]

survive this?

[Link: findarticles.com...]

beermeister ... why do you always arrive at the end of a thread? No-one has been talking about the fossil for nearly 300 kliks and you chime in with dead links? Not very smart !

812 beermeister  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:42am

re: #811 Buster Bunny

Too many beers. That's why I forgot the link. I have some of those Looney Tunes DVD sets.

[Link: findarticles.com...]

813 Salamantis  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:20:05am

re: #810 beermeister

Not very convincing. Snell's law is quite convincing. This fossil isn't. About 6,000 documented cases of human genetic diseases is convincing. This isn't.

Did archaeopteyrx

[Link: [Link: www.mercurynews.com...]...]

survive this?

[Link: findarticles.com...]

Neither of your links work. But spectography is just as precise as is refraction, and both processes obey physical laws. If we can use spectography to analyze the different elements present in distant stars, and we do, we can use it to analyze which elements are left in place when dinos' bodies decay and fossilize - especially when the fossils, unlike stars, aren't stuck being multiple light years away, but are positionable at will right in front of the machine.

I see a lot more of this being done in the future - and a lot more being learned because of it.

814 Cdat88  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:58:32am

Sorry folks. Had I realized I forgot the sarc tags, I would have asked for the post to be deleted or changed. First things first. I am about as far from a belief in ID as Charles is. As a non-theist and card carrying member of the skeptics society and JREF, I find that banana video to be an almost perfect example of the craziness of the ID arguments, and keep it as a handy link for those that follow that belief.
Second, I live on the east coast and go to work early, so I turn in at about 9pm EST. I am not sure why I showed still logged in after that, but do apologize for any confusion it may have caused.
Third, Cdat is a sarcastic term for my previous military profession. The poster who had the acronym listings had stumbled onto it. I became a Computerized Dumb Ass Tanker in 1988. The year of my enlistment in the US Army as MOS 19E.

As a side note, you folks have made me laugh with all your guesses at the source of my nic. I was not intending to generate such a tempest in a teapot. I do understand, and have see the nutcases that have popped up on this site over the past 2.5 years I have been lurking, waiting for my chance at registration. Sorry again for all the confusion. I hope this answers all the questions. It did make for an interesting side note to the thread!

815 Cdat88  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 3:32:37am

Sorry, one more response. This video, when done, was serious. You may recognize Kirk Cameron, a follower of Ray Comforts brand of insanity. If any of you remember the video debate between the Rational Response squad and Cameron/Comfort on Nightline a while back, you will see that the banan team is dead serious about this.

Nightline part 1

816 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 4:37:38am

re: #105 HelloDare

Take a look at that photograph again. I'm not an expert, but I say that Archaeopteryx is gay.

Note that Archaeopteryx was not a direct lineal ancestor of today's birds, but rather a "third cousin once removed" of the actual ancestral species. Which means that, in a sense, Archaeopteryx was a "great-great-great...great-uncle" of birds, rather than being the "great-great-great...grandfather."

Furthermore, since there are no living descendents of Archaeopteryx, you could even argue that the species was, so to speak, one of those "funny" lifelong-bachelor uncles who never had children of his own (if you know what I mean, wink-wink).

817 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 4:55:07am

re: #816 Throbert McGee

Furthermore, since there are no living descendents of Archaeopteryx, you could even argue that the species was, so to speak, one of those "funny" lifelong-bachelor uncles who never had children of his own (if you know what I mean, wink-wink).

In other words, if I were casting the Archaeopteryx in Evolution: The Musical!, the late Christopher Hewett would've been my first pick.

818 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 5:08:58am

re: #215 gmsc

Trivia time kiddies: Almost all the smurfs, as Sharmuta points out, evolved. However, one of them was "intelligently designed". Which one?

The original Evil Smurfette with the Louise Brooks haircut was way sexier than the Farrah version after Papa Smurf's "makeover."

/but then, what would *I* know about sexy dames?

819 Yashmak  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 7:21:08am

re: #810 beermeister

Not very convincing. Snell's law is quite convincing. This fossil isn't. About 6,000 documented cases of human genetic diseases is convincing. This isn't.

What, exactly, is unconvincing about the fossil?

820 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 8:07:26am

re: #814 Cdat88

That's a relief! I changed my downding back to an upding.

821 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 8:09:48am

re: #815 Cdat88

Sorry, one more response. This video, when done, was serious. You may recognize Kirk Cameron, a follower of Ray Comforts brand of insanity. If any of you remember the video debate between the Rational Response squad and Cameron/Comfort on Nightline a while back, you will see that the banan team is dead serious about this.

Nightline part 1

That Ray Comfort is one helluva asshole. Fully deserves every ounce of ridicule that he gets.

822 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 8:09:49am

re: #820 Jimmah

That's a relief! I changed my downding back to an upding.

I did too. Glad Cdat cleared that up, and you were right. My apologies for doubting you.

823 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 8:22:46am

No probs Sharmuta! All concerned were victims of circumstance there.

Btw there was a competition to name the post number of the first claim that archaeopteryx is fake. If anyone chose 810, step forward and receive your prize.

824 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 9:17:01am

One more post on this insidious, illogical, fascist-at-bottom idea that we should start rounding up Muslims and carrying out mass deportations.

If you spend even one minute thinking about this a little deeper than "I don't like 'em, let's get rid of 'em," you'll realize that there is absolutely no way to carry out such an un-American campaign of brutality without mass violence. People aren't going to leave their homes and communities and families without a fight. People will die. A lot of them. And you're proposing that the government should kill them.

Is this the kind of America you want to live in? A place where we round up families in the middle of the night, put them in concentration camps, and kill the ones who won't go quietly?

This is a vile, disgusting idea, and it won't happen because the people of America are way too decent and sane. When you advocate this ugly extremist garbage, you achieve nothing except to discredit yourself and by extension, LGF. I don't want it here, and I won't tolerate it.

825 Yashmak  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 10:35:10am

re: #823 Jimmah


Btw there was a competition to name the post number of the first claim that archaeopteryx is fake. If anyone chose 810, step forward and receive your prize.

What do I get? When I read through the comments, that's exactly what I was looking for . . . And if all I get is a hearty virtual pat on the back, I'll be pissed :)

826 Aye Pod  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 10:45:44am

You had to successfully predict the post number of the comment described - before the comment was published. So, no prize, Yashmak, but I gave you one unit of karma for your cheek anyway :)

827 Zimriel  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 10:57:28am

re: #810 beermeister

Not very convincing. Snell's law is quite convincing. This fossil isn't. About 6,000 documented cases of human genetic diseases is convincing. This isn't.

Did archaeopteyrx

[Link: [Link: www.mercurynews.com...]...]

survive this?

[Link: findarticles.com...]

Well, no; because archaeopteryx lived in the Jurassic (150 mya) and the extinction you mention was 65 mya.

If you're talking about "how did birds survive the extinction", that's almost a hundred million years of time to evolve migratory patterns, which help when one needs to relocate from point A to a warmer point B.

Time to switch to O'Douls...

828 gclaghorn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:53pm

re: #815 Cdat88

Sorry, one more response. This video, when done, was serious. You may recognize Kirk Cameron, a follower of Ray Comforts brand of insanity. If any of you remember the video debate between the Rational Response squad and Cameron/Comfort on Nightline a while back, you will see that the banan team is dead serious about this.

Nightline part 1

Thank you for clearing that up. I've switched my downding to an upding.

829 Cdat88  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 4:06:01pm

Thanks all for redinging (that is a word...now) me for the explanation. My wife always tells me I am a smartass, I guess I just assume everyone knows it...:)


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 Frank says:

Don't mind your make-up, you'd better make your mind up.