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An open thread for the remnants of the morning…

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1 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:18:57am

Toronto lizard lunch was a blast!

Whooo hooo.

2 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:19:42am

Shoe punners - don't tread here!

3 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:19:52am

So when are we doing a San Diego/Southern Cal meet up?

4 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:20:21am

re: #2 karmic_inquisitor

Shoe punners - don't tread here!

If they start up again, they'll have to sit out in the Vans

5 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:21:11am

Peter Falk has Alzheimer's.

A sad and dark irony there, given his Colombo act.

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:21:28am

Apun my word!
A new thread to play in!

7 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:21:39am

Fed rate change due soon

8 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:21:58am

Remnants? Thread?

I'm sew not going there.

9 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:22:04am

re: #2 karmic_inquisitor

Shoe punners - don't tread here!

You were first out of the gait -- run with it!

10 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:22:06am

Watch the contested ballot phase in Al Franken's Quest to Steal a Senate Seat!

/live feed

11 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:22:35am

re: #8 MandyManners

Remnants? Thread?

I'm sew not going there.

Oh come on. Put a stitch in it.

12 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:22:41am

re: #2 karmic_inquisitor

Shoe punners - don't tread here!

You're such a heel... /

13 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:22:41am

re: #1 WriterMom

Toronto lizard lunch was a blast!

Whooo hooo.

I'm jealous, when was it?

I've got my last exam tomorrow and then I'm back in the big city until the second week of the new year.

14 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:22:56am

re: #5 karmic_inquisitor

Peter Falk has Alzheimer's.

A sad and dark irony there, given his Colombo act.

The Inlaws is one of my favorite movies.

"Serpentine Shelly. Serpentine!

15 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:23:19am

re: #8 MandyManners

Remnants? Thread?

I'm sew not going there.

Mend your ways.

16 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:23:43am

3/4 point rate drop

17 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:23:49am

re: #11 Ford_Prefect

Darn, a sock.

18 bloodnok  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:23:50am

re: #15 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mend your ways.

Stop it, knit-wits.

19 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:24:00am

DUDE!

How kewl is that?

20 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:24:16am

(I just posted this in last thread, just as this thread went up)

I need some input from 3 Wood OR a criminal prosecuting attorney.

I just got back from some food shopping. On the radio, while in the car, I hear "Feds may lower interest rate a half point in hopes that it will help banks free up some credit."

Now wait, I thought that was the reason for the bailouts. To free the banks from some bad investments so they would keep the credit pipes open.

Wasn't that one the mandates of the bailout? Who the fuck are these politicians trying to fool (rhetorical question)? Where is the fucking oversight (rhetorical question)?

Isn't it against the law to receive government mandated funds and not use them for what they were alloted for (rhetorical question)?

I know if I were getting government funds as a contractor, I had better be able to prove to the government that I have been using the funds for the purpose they were given (rhetorical question)?

Am I going nuts (not a rhetorical question)?

21 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:24:51am

re: #18 bloodnok

Stop it, knit-wits.

All this punning is a little too much for me.

22 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:24:51am

re: #10 Killian Bundy

The famous challenge that was on Drudge (bubble with X) just got thrown out - was counted for Coleman.

Unreal.

23 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:24:53am

re: #5 karmic_inquisitor

Peter Falk has Alzheimer's.

A sad and dark irony there, given his Colombo act.

Oh no - how sad!
Sad for him, and terrible for his family.

24 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:25:15am

Only in NY folks.. only in New York...

Okay, maybe not only in New York, but few other places do this on as massive a scale. NY's Gov. Paterson (D) claims that he's making budget cuts for the upcoming fiscal year.

Only problem - the budget is still larger than last year. It's just not as big as Paterson had hoped it would be. His policy? Tax and spend, now with more taxes.

If the budget situation were truly as serious as he claims and he was as fiscally responsible as he claims, he would cut all spending to at least last year's bloated levels, if not cut it to where it was a few years ago - when it was bloated, but nothing like it is now.

25 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:25:27am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Inlaws is one of my favorite movies.

"Serpentine Shelly. Serpentine!

He was a great actor.

26 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:25:32am

re: #17 Cap'n DOC

Darn, a sock.

Running off with it again?
We're hosed.

27 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:25:49am

re: #5 karmic_inquisitor

Peter Falk has Alzheimer's.

A sad and dark irony there, given his Colombo act.

Terrible news.

28 bloodnok  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:05am

re: #18 bloodnok

Stop it, knit-wits.

Don't be upset PBMB, just needlin' ya.

29 Cognito  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:12am

re: #2 karmic_inquisitor

Shoe punners - don't tread here!

I agree. Some of those puns get a bit arch for my taste.

30 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:17am

re: #12 lawhawk

You're such a heel... /

I don't have any shoes, I'm sole less...

31 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:29am

Argyle is showing.

32 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:53am

re: #19 WriterMom

That is cool. As I recall superglue was originally developed as instant battlefield suchers.

33 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:53am

Looks like any stray mark on a Coleman vote is getting thrown out on "cannot tell intent" of voter.

Looks like Franken may just steal it after all.

34 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:55am

re: #13 Joo-LiZ

We met this afternoon.

35 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:00am

re: #28 bloodnok

Don't be upset PBMB, just needlin' ya.

HA! You've got me in stitches.

36 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:13am

re: #19 WriterMom

DUDE!

How kewl is that?

Yeah that is really cool.

My dad works in a repair business, and crazy glue is one of the tools of the trade.

I went with him to buy some new supplies, and the clerk at the counter said the crazy glue we were purchasing had been invented by the military to glue soldiers back together in Vietnam

37 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:15am

Shoe punners have no sole!

38 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:30am

re: #22 karmic_inquisitor

The famous challenge that was on Drudge (bubble with X) just got thrown out - was counted for Coleman.

Unreal.

/no, it got thrown out

39 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:35am

re: #35 pre-Boomer Marine brat

that was the needles point

40 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:41am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Inlaws is one of my favorite movies.

"Serpentine Shelly. Serpentine!

Señor Pepé!

41 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:51am

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Looks like any stray mark on a Coleman vote is getting thrown out on "cannot tell intent" of voter.

Looks like Franken may just steal it after all.

unfuckingbelievable

42 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:54am

Blind man turned away from Indian restaurant after owner says guide dog is against his Muslim beliefs

A blind man was allegedly turned away from an Indian restaurant - because the owner said it was against his Muslim beliefs to allow dogs into his establishment.

Alun Elder-Brown, who was among a party of birthday guests, said he was even threatened with a police call if his guide dog Finn didn’t leave – despite showing an animal permit.

43 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:28:08am

re: #37 jcm

Shoe punners have no sole!

That was pretty tongue in cheek.

44 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:28:19am
45 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:28:21am

re: #24 lawhawk

I see a 'D' behind his name ...

No, its not only in NYC, its going to happen here as well, only not in January but in April as thats when our new Tax year starts.
And they are already saying that they have to icnrease our taxes, because of all the lower revenue due to the deteriorating economy ...

46 Wild Knight  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:28:44am

If you don't believe in "Climate Change"/"global warming" you may want to sign this: The Big List... May perk up a few ears if the list becomes big enough...

47 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:28:57am

re: #36 Joo-LiZ

Yeah that is really cool.

My dad works in a repair business, and crazy glue is one of the tools of the trade.

I went with him to buy some new supplies, and the clerk at the counter said the crazy glue we were purchasing had been invented by the military to glue soldiers back together in Vietnam

I truly hope you belted the twit...

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:29:09am

re: #29 Cognito

I agree. Some of those puns get a bit arch for my taste.

But they make the thread flow faster -- white water over the Scholls.

49 ErnieG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:29:15am

I was reminded of this poem by certain recent events:

the song of mehitabel

...

i wake the world from sleep
as i caper and sing and leap
when i sing my wild free tune
wotthehell wotthehell
under the blear eyed moon
i am pelted with cast off shoon
but wotthehell wotthehell
...

By Don Marquis, in "archy and mehitabel," 1927

but wotthehell wotthehell indeed

50 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:29:19am

re: #45 yma o hyd

I see a 'D' behind his name ...

No, its not only in NYC, its going to happen here as well, only not in January but in April as thats when our new Tax year starts.
And they are already saying that they have to icnrease our taxes, because of all the lower revenue due to the deteriorating economy ...

I saw the NY "tax plan". Looks like robbery and extortion to me.

51 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:30:06am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Blind man turned away from Indian restaurant after owner says guide dog is against his Muslim beliefs

I sure hope the whole party left that restaurant?

52 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:30:23am

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But they make the thread flow faster -- white water over the Scholls.

Yeah, sort of spikes it up.

53 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:30:43am

re: #38 Killian Bundy

/no, it got thrown out

Agree - meant that it had been a Coleman voter before the board approved Franken's challenge - so -1 Coleman.

Along with several more since.

And now a similar ballot with stray marks for Franken was approved as a Franken vote.

Well Minnesota - you guys used to have a reputation for clean elections. Gone now. Congratulations.

54 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:30:45am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Blind man turned away from Indian restaurant after owner says guide dog is against his Muslim beliefs

Anytime a Muslim complains of being offended by a dog or christmas lights or what have you, I'd like to see the respondent complain they are offended by the Muslims complaints... and see where that gets 'em.

Granted, you'd need some major global riots and hundreds of deaths on your account to get the same response, but I'd be curious to see the face on the officer.

55 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:30:45am

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I saw the NY "tax plan". Looks like robbery and extortion to me.

Sounds like a normal, every-day NuLab tax plan, then ...

56 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:30:57am

re: #51 Nevergiveup

I sure hope the whole party left that restaurant?

He should have thrown some shoes at him...horse shoes

57 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:31:05am

Madonna has paid her ex-husband British director Guy Ritchie up to 60 million pounds ($92 million) to settle their divorce after eight years of marriage, her spokeswoman said on Monday.

Liz Rosenberg said the singer, 50, had given Ritchie, 40, between 50 and 60 million pounds ($76 million and $92 million) as part of their divorce, which was granted by a British court on November 21.

She said that sum includes the couple's English country estate, Ashcombe, which is valued at about 20 million pounds ($30 million).

SNIP

58 winston06  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:31:14am

re: #1 WriterMom

i missed it. who else was there?

59 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:31:39am

re: #44 buzzsawmonkey

No, we'll keep it strictly on a philosophical level, going from Shoe Pun Hour to Schopenhauer.

When you die, please donate your brain to science. The world needs to know how it works.

60 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:31:41am

re: #37 jcm

Shoe punners have no sole!

You dissin' us again?
You're a Desenex-pert!

61 JohnnyReb  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:31:47am

re: #36 Joo-LiZ

Yeah that is really cool.

My dad works in a repair business, and crazy glue is one of the tools of the trade.

I went with him to buy some new supplies, and the clerk at the counter said the crazy glue we were purchasing had been invented by the military to glue soldiers back together in Vietnam

It actually does work very well in sealing exacto knife wounds. Trust me on that.

62 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:02am

re: #8 MandyManners

Remnants? Thread?

I'm sew not going there.

You need to stitch that up quick!

63 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:04am

re: #51 Nevergiveup

I sure hope the whole party left that restaurant?

The silly assed thing is the web page, using context sensitive ads on the page, had a travel ad for Asia.

Yea, I'll jump all over that. Can I take my guide dog?

64 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:08am

re: #51 Nevergiveup

I was wondering about that too.

65 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:17am

Terrible news - Frosty the Snowman got busted:

[Link: maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com...]

66 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:23am

re: #51 Nevergiveup

In this country it would make the average liberal's head explode. "Respect disabled person's rights or support multiculturalism...respect disabled person's rights or support multiculturalism... respect disabled person's rights or support multiculturalism..."

/andthenblammo!

67 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:42am

re: #43 Ford_Prefect

That was pretty tongue in cheek.

Eye may be a heel, but I must speak from my insole.

68 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:53am

re: #51 Nevergiveup

I sure hope the whole party left that restaurant?

Time to book a dinner with friends at this Restaurant, and release some nice German brown banded cock roachs, then call the health department.

69 ErnieG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:33:15am
70 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:33:17am

re: #57 MandyManners

Probably her most expensive lay.

71 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:33:30am

re: #61 JohnnyReb

It actually does work very well in sealing exacto knife wounds. Trust me on that.

Sure does. Between that and a little duct tape, who needs bandaids?

72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:33:41am

re: #49 ErnieG

mehitabel !

*rimshot*

73 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:33:50am
74 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:33:54am

re: #58 winston06

Me, scaramouche, Blue Canuck, Kenneth and a whole bunch of other assorted infidels.

75 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:34:19am

re: #5 karmic_inquisitor

Peter Falk has Alzheimer's.

A sad and dark irony there, given his Colombo act.

Anyone else see the 1981 German film he was in, Der Himmel über Berlin?

76 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:34:37am

re: #61 JohnnyReb

It actually does work very well in sealing exacto knife wounds. Trust me on that.

Wish I knew about it way back when... When I was about 6 my friend accidentally cut me with an exacto knife -- my thumb needed about 18 stitches.

The clerk said he had glued a filling back into a cavity on his own with the crazy glue -- he may have been just trying to give a sales pitch, but I'd believe it. That glue is some strong stuff.

77 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:34:43am

re: #69 ErnieG

So she paid $92,000,000 for a man to sleep with her? Sounds about right.

She probably borrowed the money from A-Rod.

78 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:34:46am

Anyone know anything about the annual blog awards?

79 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:35:07am

May I ask the massed Lizard memory banks and general knowledge vailable for a leeetle bit of help, please?

A few years ago I got a Christmas e-card. It had reindeer and a Santa Claus, and the reindeer were singing 'I'm dreaming of a White Christmas', and then they were the chorus for Santa Claus.
I bookmarked it then - but a dew months later I had to re-format my harddrive, and all was lost ...
(Yeah, I weren't sooo computer-savvy then ...)

I've tried my best to find it again - to no avail.

Has anybody seen it, and perhaps got a link, pretty please?

80 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:35:12am

re: #73 taxfreekiller

So, on Global Warming.

Its the cause of the snow being more or the same or not being less or
blah, blah, blah, ect. bull shit.

facts are what they are

[Link: www.wolfcreekski.com...]

A list of all things "caused" by Global Warming. Pass it on.

81 winston06  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:36:26am

re: #74 WriterMom

good to hear u had a good time ;-)

82 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:36:36am

A blonde goes to the post office to buy stamps for her Christmas cards.
She says to the clerk, "May I have 50 Christmas stamps?"
The clerk says, "What denomination?"
The blonde says, "God help us. Has it come to this? Give me 6 Catholic, 12 Presbyterian, 10 Lutheran and 22 Baptists."

83 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:36:42am

re: #78 Outrider

Anyone know anything about the annual blog awards?

They have them every year

84 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:04am

re: #79 yma o hyd

May I ask the massed Lizard memory banks and general knowledge vailable for a leeetle bit of help, please?

A few years ago I got a Christmas e-card. It had reindeer and a Santa Claus, and the reindeer were singing 'I'm dreaming of a White Christmas', and then they were the chorus for Santa Claus.
I bookmarked it then - but a dew months later I had to re-format my harddrive, and all was lost ...
(Yeah, I weren't sooo computer-savvy then ...)

I've tried my best to find it again - to no avail.

Has anybody seen it, and perhaps got a link, pretty please?

[Link: www.mesasoftware.com...]

85 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:07am

re: #81 winston06

Totally fun. And we have some cool stuff lined up for Jan and Feb also.

86 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:34am

re: #83 Desert Dog

HAHAHAHHAHAH PERFECT!

87 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:34am

Globalwarming?
I have about 6 inches of it out side my office!
*pimpf*

88 Nylecoj  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:41am

re: #61 JohnnyReb

It actually does work very well in sealing exacto knife wounds. Trust me on that.

We use it here at our shop for that as well. One of many great uses.

89 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:45am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Nobody asked me, but these symptoms are all temporary spasms as we circle the drain. I am not going to concern myself with every little death twitch in the interim. The only thing to do is to be as prepared as possible for the inevitable.

90 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:46am

re: #83 Desert Dog

They have them every year

Excellent! Thanks.

91 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:38:01am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Blind man turned away from Indian restaurant after owner says guide dog is against his Muslim beliefs

A little FYI - Afghan Hounds aren't considered unclean to Muslims. Likewise for another breed of dogs whose name escapes me but is similar to the Afghan Hound.

92 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:38:17am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Suture.

93 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:38:38am

re: #91 bosforus

A little FYI - Afghan Hounds aren't considered unclean to Muslims. Likewise for another breed of dogs whose name escapes me but is similar to the Afghan Hound.

The saluki?

94 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:17am

WM,
If there is another meeting in the next month or so, I'd appreciate an e-mail about it.

Made my nick Blue here.

95 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:17am

Hey, I lost a lot of money to a Nigerian king, this guy I met in an email. Can I call Washington and ask them to cover my lost? (hat tip Glenn Beck)

96 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:18am
97 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:25am

re: #93 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The saluki?

That's the one! Tough name to remember.

98 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:42am

Whoa, the market is up 239. I'm going to go check out this person O selected for the secretary of education. Already don't like the idea he's from Chicago, but what should I have expected. BRB.

99 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:42am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Blind man turned away from Indian restaurant after owner says guide dog is against his Muslim beliefs

Good afternoon everyone!
Killgore, we had a similar situation in Boston a short while ago, a Chinese bus line that runs between Boston and Manhattan refused to let a blind couple and their guide dog on the bus, they were then slammed with a million dollar+ fine. That restaurant will have to pay up, and so they should.

100 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:53am

re: #87 reloadingisnotahobby

It's "Climate Change" you philistine!

101 alegrias  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:57am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

That is cool. As I recall superglue was originally developed as instant battlefield suchers.

* * *
That's "Suture."
/And you made fun of Sarah Palin.

102 ErnieG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:40:01am

re: #91 bosforus

A little FYI - Afghan Hounds aren't considered unclean to Muslims. Likewise for another breed of dogs whose name escapes me but is similar to the Afghan Hound.

the al-chihuaua?

103 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:40:07am

re: #59 karmic_inquisitor

When you die, please donate your brain to science. The world needs to know how it works.

We'll label buzzsaw's brain as "Abby" something...

104 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:40:18am

re: #84 debutaunt

[Link: www.mesasoftware.com...]

Thanks - but linkie sadly not workie ...

105 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:40:29am

re: #93 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The saluki?

Karaoke?

106 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:40:52am

And now, back to the vote stealing.

/live feed

107 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:40:54am

re: #89 rawmuse

Nobody asked me, but these symptoms are all temporary spasms as we circle the drain. I am not going to concern myself with every little death twitch in the interim. The only thing to do is to be as prepared as possible for the inevitable.

I was really asking anyone here, I guess I should not have mentioned 3 Wood. My opening was meant to be sarcastic.

But your proposition indicated that the plug has been pulled and we are like shit in a flushed toilet... heh?

108 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:08am

re: #90 Outrider

Excellent! Thanks.

2008 Bloggies Is this the one?

109 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:19am

re: #100 WriterMom

I'm a Gentile ...
You have me confused with Cog again!

110 JohnnyReb  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:37am

re: #103 Occasional Reader

We'll label buzzsaw's brain as "Abby" something...


Abby Normal?

111 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:39am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

No one wants the hard choices to happen on their watch, so politicians find it politically expedient to maintain the status quo, no matter how unsustainable it may be. I'm all for extending the Presidential term to six or eight years (to allow for Presidential policy to be at least somewhat long term) in exchange for giving every President only one term to get it right.

112 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:45am

re: #99 CapeCoddah

Good afternoon Cape. How are things on the right coast?

113 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:47am

re: #91 bosforus

A little FYI - Afghan Hounds aren't considered unclean to Muslims. Likewise for another breed of dogs whose name escapes me but is similar to the Afghan Hound.

Saluki?

Only snag is - they make absolutely terrible guide dogs, being somewhat challenged in the cleverness and learning departments ...

114 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:49am
115 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:42:43am

re: #69 ErnieG

So she paid $92,000,000 for a man to sleep with her? Sounds about right.

Look in the mirror guys and ask yourself...?
Would you do it?
Are you worth it?

116 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:43:07am

re: #110 JohnnyReb

Abby Normal?

That would explains the random outbursts of "PUDDDIN ON DA WIIITZ!"

117 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:43:24am

re: #104 yma o hyd

Thanks - but linkie sadly not workie ...

[Link: www.mesasoftware.com...]

Trying again...

118 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:43:47am

re: #113 yma o hyd

Saluki?

Only snag is - they make absolutely terrible guide dogs, being somewhat challenged in the cleverness and learning departments ...

No wonder the Muslims like them.

119 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:43:50am

re: #105 eschew_obfuscation

Karaoke?

Crapweasel?

120 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:05am

re: #111 Lizard by the Bay

No one wants the hard choices to happen on their watch, so politicians find it politically expedient to maintain the status quo, no matter how unsustainable it may be. I'm all for extending the Presidential term to six or eight years (to allow for Presidential policy to be at least somewhat long term) in exchange for giving every President only one term to get it right.

And this one was doing what for eight years? I must have missed the fact that he must have been ON vacation for 7 of those years.

Bullshit. They are paying off anyone, everyone, all of them, that is pulling their strings. We're getting fucked.

Wasn't it evident to you that my comment was meant to be sarcastism?

121 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:26am
122 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:26am

re: #67 jcm

Eye may be a heel, but I must speak from my insole.

So, would this be considered an open toed thread?

123 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:47am

Izzy the puppy is having so much fun with the Christmas wrapping papers rolls. They about 4 times her size, but she is carrying them around and trying to put them in her bed (where she 'hides' all her treasured).

124 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:51am

re: #113 yma o hyd

Saluki?

Only snag is - they make absolutely terrible guide dogs, being somewhat challenged in the cleverness and learning departments ...

Isn't a Saluki an Afghan with a Press Agent?

125 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:52am

re: #115 lifeofthemind

Don't be rediculous!
I would never ask myself the second one!

126 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:53am

re: #57 MandyManners

When asked why she was moving to England with her infant (at the time) daughter, Madonna famously said, "Because in England, they read books."

127 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:45:16am

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

I do not now, nor have I ever, had pudding on my wrists.

Thats simply because the restraints get in the way.

128 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:45:33am

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

I do not now, nor have I ever, had pudding on my wrists.

Sounds kinda kinky. Maybe you should try it.

129 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:45:34am

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

Here is what I observe
a) the very people that are responsible for much of the financial difficulties are now at the helm, and b) they never had the preservation of the Republic as their motivation in the first place (far from it) c) they are doing the very opposite of what needs to be done, in all cases.

At this point, we are all just along for the ride.

130 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:45:48am

re: #125 reloadingisnotahobby

Don't be rediculous!
I would never ask myself the second one!

If you have to ask...

131 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:45:54am

re: #108 Desert Dog

2008 Bloggies Is this the one?

I can't remember if this is the one we have all been encouraged to vote for LGF the last couple years or not? Guess I'll check the archives.

132 Buck  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:46:21am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Am I going nuts (not a rhetorical question)?

Not a good test. However if:

1. If you believe everything you read in the media, you might be nuts.
2. If you think that 700 billion is going to be the total of this bailout, you might be nuts.
3. If you think you can be diagnosed properly here, and that we are not also nuts... you might be nuts.

133 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:46:22am

re: #47 Dustyvet

I truly hope you belted the twit...

Killgore agrees with me...

re: #32 Killgore Trout

That is cool. As I recall superglue was originally developed as instant battlefield suchers.

134 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:46:22am

Another Chicago fixer / aide to Blago pleads guilty.

/ He appears to have no affiliation with any political party whatsoever.

135 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:46:28am

re: #117 debutaunt

[Link: www.mesasoftware.com...]

Trying again...

I love that version of White Christmas.

136 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:46:32am

Two year anniversary registered here today.
1,940 comments.
Karma in the black, but not impressive.
Just another brick in the wall...

137 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:46:33am

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sorry, that song has been changed to "I'm dreaming of a racist European hegemonically dominant Christmas," and subsequently banned.

Awww ...

Boo-hoo!

138 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:46:35am

re: #129 rawmuse

Here is what I observe
a) the very people that are responsible for much of the financial difficulties are now at the helm, and b) they never had the preservation of the Republic as their motivation in the first place (far from it) c) they are doing the very opposite of what needs to be done, in all cases.

At this point, we are all just along for the ride.

In a giant handbasket, heading south

139 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:46:59am

re: #126 quickjustice

When asked why she was moving to England with her infant (at the time) daughter, Madonna famously said, "Because in England, they read books."

She gave him the estate so maybe that means she's coming back to America.

140 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:47:24am

re: #112 Ford_Prefect

Good afternoon Cape. How are things on the right coast?

Afternoon Ford, things are good here, overcast, it rained this morning, just gray now. How is everything with you?

141 ryannon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:47:32am

A warm hello to Ojoe from ryannon in Paris, :-) : towercam view of the Mt. Wilson Observatory complex covered under 16 inches of snow:

[Link: www.astro.ucla.edu...]

142 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:47:35am

re: #136 IslandLibertarian

Happy Hatchling Day, now you have +1 more

143 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:47:53am

re: #139 MandyManners

Oh Goody.../

144 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:48:06am

re: #117 debutaunt

[Link: www.mesasoftware.com...]

Trying again...

YESSS!

Thank you! Thats just the one!

Updings galore, if i could!

145 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:48:30am

re: #137 yma o hyd

Awww ...

Boo-hoo!

Did my 117 open for you?

146 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:48:35am

re: #142 Desert Dog

Happy Hatchling Day, now you have +1 more

Dings are valuable, you dont just give them away!

147 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:48:58am

re: #92 Cap'n DOC

Ah, thanks. I couldn't get close enough for spellcheck to correct that one for me.

148 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:05am

re: #106 Killian Bundy

And now, back to the vote stealing.

/live feed

/alternate live feed

149 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:08am

re: #140 CapeCoddah

Afternoon Ford, things are good here, overcast, it rained this morning, just gray now. How is everything with you?

Pretty good, except that I am likely to get fired if I keep laughing out loud. :-)

150 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:13am

re: #139 MandyManners

She gave him the estate so maybe that means she's coming back to America.

What is the market for has beens in a Depression? She's be lucky if she can find a job playing Norma Desmond.

151 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:21am
152 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:27am

re: #136 IslandLibertarian

Two year anniversary registered here today.
1,940 comments.
Karma in the black, but not impressive.
Just another brick in the wall...

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!
Every brick counts! It's the wall that keeps the barbarians at bay, not any one brick.

153 Nylecoj  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:37am

re: #138 Desert Dog

When the election was called for Obama my daughter texted me.."what color do you want your handbasket?"

154 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:41am

The fed lowering the interest rates again? I didn't think they could go any lower. Is it possible to have negative interest rates? Will the banks now be required to pay you for taking out a loan?

155 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:50am

re: #139 MandyManners

Madonna: "Enough with the books, the brogues, and the kilts already!" ;-)

156 equable  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:50am

Sorry if this was already posted, but it would seem that they finally have a suspect in the 1981 murder of poor little Adam Walsh. The Walsh family has done so much to help bring justice to so many people. God be with them.

157 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:49:59am

re: #149 Ford_Prefect

Pretty good, except that I am likely to get fired if I keep laughing out loud. :-)

Well, shut the hell up!

158 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:50:00am

re: #126 quickjustice

Ya know, both her and Gwynneth Paltro(vich) thought it was sooo lovely, dahling, to have more edumacated British husbands-FEH.

159 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:50:11am

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dings are valuable, you dont just give them away!

Rewritten in Blagospeak:

[bleeping] dings are [bleeping] valuable, you don't just [bleeping] give them away!

160 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:50:58am

re: #152 jcm

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!
Every brick counts! It's the wall that keeps the barbarians at bay, not any one brick.

And then...those damn Mongorians come and tear down the shitty wah!

161 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:08am

re: #159 Occasional Reader

Rewritten in Blagospeak:

[bleeping] dings are [bleeping] valuable, you don't just [bleeping] give them away!

Down dings should be called Blagos

162 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:10am

re: #154 vapig

Is it possible to have negative interest rates?

Japan did, for a time, during its last financial crisis, have negative real interest rates.

163 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:11am

re: #159 Occasional Reader

Rewritten in Blagospeak:

[bleeping] dings are [bleeping] valuable, you don't just [bleeping] give them away!

{Bleeping} ding.

164 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:15am

re: #156 equable

Really...wow. That poor family-that poor boy. I hope whoever killed that boy fries.

165 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:18am
166 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:29am

re: #124 lifeofthemind

Isn't a Saluki an Afghan with a Press Agent?

Definitely - employed by Egyptians ...

167 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:37am

re: #156 equable

Sorry if this was already posted, but it would seem that they finally have a suspect in the 1981 murder of poor little Adam Walsh. The Walsh family has done so much to help bring justice to so many people. God be with them.

I think they have had an idea who killed him for a long time, the suspect died in jail, IIRC, I think they just closed the case.

168 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:40am

re: #133 Joo-LiZ

Okay I was wrong, I just looked it up and discovered you two are right.

169 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:42am

How is the Madonna divorce settlement just like the government bailout? They both relied on your money.

170 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:03am

re: #148 Killian Bundy

If anybody needs a refresher on the shit the dems are trying to pull for Franken see this link:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

171 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:04am

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2 years posting on LGF, that's worth an upding, no?

172 Smilla  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:13am

re: #5 karmic_inquisitor

Peter Falk has Alzheimer's.

A sad and dark irony there, given his Colombo act.

I'm so sorry to hear that. My mother has had Alzheimer's for years now and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. We both enjoyed Peter Falk in Colombo very much.

173 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:21am

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

And this one was doing what for eight years? I must have missed the fact that he must have been ON vacation for 7 of those years.

Bullshit. They are paying off anyone, everyone, all of them, that is pulling their strings. We're getting fucked.

Wasn't it evident to you that my comment was meant to be sarcastism?


My very point, Walter, is that Bush had the same problem in his first term Obama does now: How to make the economy look like it's doing better for a few years to get re-elected. Bush didn't know he'd be in office past January of 2005 until November of 2004. No Presidential policies (especially first-term ploicies) are ever enacted based on the long view. Decisions are never made that will benefit the country long term if it means sacrifices up front, because in this world of an election cycle every four years, with campaigns that last two years, no one makes the tough calls.

174 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:44am

re: #158 WriterMom

Ya know, both her and Gwynneth Paltro(vich) thought it was sooo lovely, dahling, to have more edumacated British husbands-FEH.

Of course, their point of reference in this continent was... Hollywood. So, it was probably true that they were surrounded by morons who didn't read books, but that didn't mean what they thought it meant.

175 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:46am

re: #129 rawmuse

Here is what I observe
a) the very people that are responsible for much of the financial difficulties are now at the helm, and b) they never had the preservation of the Republic as their motivation in the first place (far from it) c) they are doing the very opposite of what needs to be done, in all cases. At this point, we are all just along for the ride.

In short... Plutocracy...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

176 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:47am

re: #162 Occasional Reader

Japan did, for a time, during its last financial crisis, have negative real interest rates.

You know you're in trouble when you have to pay people to take your money ;-)

177 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:53:03am
178 Equable  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:53:20am

re: #167 CapeCoddah

I think they have had an idea who killed him for a long time, the suspect died in jail, IIRC, I think they just closed the case.

Thanks CapeCoddah - I feel like a complete ass for not knowing that.

179 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:53:34am
180 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:53:44am

re: #136 IslandLibertarian

Two year anniversary registered here today.
1,940 comments.
Karma in the black, but not impressive.
Just another brick in the wall...

Adding to your Karma - c'mon, lets get this Lizard to 1,000 as a Christmas Present!

181 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:53:53am

re: #158 WriterMom

Hey, I'm old enough to remember when Madonna was the hat check girl at the Russian Tea Room in NYC! ;-)

182 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:54:08am

re: #162 Occasional Reader

Japan did, for a time, during its last financial crisis, have negative real interest rates.

And weren't they in that mess for over ten years? Man! This is gonna be a bumpy ride!

183 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:54:22am

re: #178 Equable

Thanks CapeCoddah - I feel like a complete ass for not knowing that.

I heard that years ago, not recently. I believe it was an interview with dad, who said that.

184 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:54:35am

re: #179 Ford_Prefect

I'm Too Much!

Did John Kerry model for that character?

185 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:54:45am

re: #174 Occasional Reader

The thought of two bimbettes looking down on HOLLYWOOD for not being sufficiently bright and smart and shiny, and then turning to the UK entertainment industry for husband material in this day and age is TOTALLY NUTS.

186 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:54:47am

re: #181 quickjustice

Hey, I'm old enough to remember when Madonna was the hat check girl at the Russian Tea Room in NYC! ;-)


I am old enough to remember when Madonna really was "Like a Virgin".

187 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:03am

re: #181 quickjustice

Hey, I'm old enough to remember when Madonna was the hat check girl at the Russian Tea Room in NYC! ;-)

Now that's old...:)

188 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:06am

re: #181 quickjustice

Hey, I'm old enough to remember when Madonna was the hat check girl at the Russian Tea Room in NYC! ;-)

I'm old enough to remember when I bounced her on my knee.

189 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:18am

re: #145 debutaunt

Did my 117 open for you?

It did indeedy - see my #144!
A million thanks!

191 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:38am

re: #177 MandyManners

Beautiful.

192 ErnieG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:53am

re: #167 CapeCoddah

I think they have had an idea who killed him for a long time, the suspect died in jail, IIRC, I think they just closed the case.

You're right, according to this news article. They are going to officially announce the closing of the case.

193 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #164 WriterMom

Really...wow. That poor family-that poor boy. I hope whoever killed that boy fries.

Too late! They've actually known for some time that a serial killer (who is now dead) confessed in jail. They just kept it out there in case he lied. I guess they've decided that there was enough evidence that he was tgelling the truth.

194 Smilla  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:01am

re: #75 bosforus

Anyone else see the 1981 German film he was in, Der Himmel über Berlin?

Yes, companero.

195 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:09am

re: #160 eschew_obfuscation

And then...those damn Mongorians come and tear down the shitty wah!

Ahhh, had to google that. No cable, no South Park.

196 ryannon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:11am

re: #75 bosforus

Anyone else see the 1981 German film he was in, Der Himmel über Berlin?


Really sorry to hear that.

The English title is 'Wings of Desire', directed by Wim Wenders, and yes, it's a magnificent film.

197 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:15am

re: #181 quickjustice

Bet she got lotsa tips.

198 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:31am

Do y'all remember back when I said "Let there be light!"?

Boy that was some Bang!

199 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:31am

re: #182 vapig

And weren't they in that mess for over ten years? Man! This is gonna be a bumpy ride!

No kidding. We're actually seeing deflation. That's awfully rare. And while it sounds attractive (price of stuff goes down), it's actually the sign of a very sick economy.

200 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:41am
201 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:43am

I forgot to add, today the Fed cut interest rates again. The T Bills are paying almost zero (for a bit they were below zero, meaning, you give the Fed 100 bucks and get back 99, smart, eh?). These are the instruments that finance our debt, now what, in the multiple trillions, I think.

Once the word gets out that there is no money to be made in financing the debt of the US of A, that is when the excrement really starts to hit the rotating device.
Government employees pay checks start to bounce. Social Security payments default or stop altogether. The military pay stops.

Everything goes negative at that point. Lights out.

202 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:50am

re: #193 vapig

Then I hope he burns in Hell.

203 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:53am

Alright people quit posting You Tube videos. I can't open them from here at work and it jsut leading to my frustration during this holiday season.
Merry Christmas Bah Humbug!
/

204 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:56am

I don't like Christmas, it scares me, I'm just a Noel Coward.

205 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:57am

re: #154 vapig

The fed lowering the interest rates again? I didn't think they could go any lower. Is it possible to have negative interest rates? Will the banks now be required to pay you for taking out a loan?

No - you have to pay them for holding your money ...

206 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:57:13am

re: #197 WriterMom

Actually, she was modestly dressed, and had mousy brown hair. I gave her a buck per coat.

207 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:57:16am

re: #190 MandyManners
I apoligize Mandy ...I thought for sure it would be a "Holly"
Half dressed or less!
Forgive me?

208 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:57:28am

re: #199 Lizard by the Bay

No kidding. We're actually seeing deflation. That's awfully rare. And while it sounds attractive (price of stuff goes down), it's actually the sign of a very sick economy.

How 'bout some good ol' Carter stagflation?

209 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:57:37am

re: #106 Killian Bundy

And now, back to the vote stealing.

/live feed

/alternate alternate live feed

210 Sheldon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:57:48am

a genealogy name search on google this showed up, wrong person, but something to digest.
[Link: www.documentingreality.com...]

211 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:58:10am

re: #201 rawmuse

I forgot to add, today the Fed cut interest rates again. The T Bills are paying almost zero (for a bit they were below zero, meaning, you give the Fed 100 bucks and get back 99, smart, eh?). These are the instruments that finance our debt, now what, in the multiple trillions, I think.

Once the word gets out that there is no money to be made in financing the debt of the US of A, that is when the excrement really starts to hit the rotating device.
Government employees pay checks start to bounce. Social Security payments default or stop altogether. The military pay stops.

Everything goes negative at that point. Lights out.

(and that was why I was asking...)

I just got back from some food shopping. On the radio, while in the car, I hear "Feds may lower interest rate a half point in hopes that it will help banks free up some credit."

Now wait, I thought that was the reason for the bailouts. To free the banks from some bad investments so they would keep the credit pipes open.

Wasn't that one the mandates of the bailout? Who the fuck are these politicians trying to fool (rhetorical question)? Where is the fucking oversight (rhetorical question)?

Isn't it against the law to receive government mandated funds and not use them for what they were alloted for (rhetorical question)?

I know if I were getting government funds as a contractor, I had better be able to prove to the government that I have been using the funds for the purpose they were given (rhetorical question)?

Am I going nuts (not a rhetorical question)?

212 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:58:37am

re: #94 Joo-LiZ

re: #202 WriterMom

In case you didn't see it, I decided to make a reply to one of your posts so you'd spot it if you read these threads the same way I do...

Thanks!

213 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:58:43am

Fed Funds Rate is effectively at 0%.

.

214 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:58:56am

re: #207 reloadingisnotahobby

Holly Jolly!

215 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:58:59am

re: #192 ErnieG

You're right, according to this news article. They are going to officially announce the closing of the case.

Yup, that was what I heard a long time ago, May that poor boy rest in peace.

216 ErnieG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:59:21am

re: #205 yma o hyd

No - you have to pay them for holding your money ...

They'll just print more, and your money's value will evaporate. Very simple, nobody has to hold it.

217 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:59:32am

re: #199 Lizard by the Bay

No kidding. We're actually seeing deflation. That's awfully rare. And while it sounds attractive (price of stuff goes down), it's actually the sign of a very sick economy.

As in wheel barrows full of worthless cash - a la Zimbabwe? Juuust GREAT!

218 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:59:39am

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

You must be going nuts, Walter. You just posted the exact same thing in the exact same thread.

219 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:59:44am

re: #212 Joo-LiZ

Yes-I saw it...I'll send you some information.

220 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:59:44am

re: #201 rawmuse

At that point, when the US has major problems, the rest of the world is in really, really, really deep shit.

221 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:00:13pm

re: #218 Lizard by the Bay

You must be going nuts, Walter. You just posted the exact same thing in the exact same thread.

Just checking. Thank you. Meds.

222 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:00:31pm

re: #198 eschew_obfuscation

Do y'all remember back when I said "Let there be light!"?

Boy that was some Bang!

I tried o tell you kids not to play with that entropy, but you wouldn't listen!

223 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:00:43pm

re: #217 vapig

As in wheel barrows full of worthless cash - a la Zimbabwe? Juuust GREAT!


He who has the biggest wheel barrel wins.
Wheel barrels -- not just for cleaning out the stables anymore!

224 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:01pm

re: #136 IslandLibertarian

Two year anniversary registered here today.
1,940 comments.
Karma in the black, but not impressive.
Just another brick in the wall...

You're doing fine in the karma department -- 2-to-1, comments/up-dings.
I'm running at 3-to-1.

225 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:10pm

re: #214 MandyManners

Hey ya!
Would a that ah..be ...work friendly ?

226 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:13pm

re: #185 WriterMom

The thought of two bimbettes

Hey, come on, don't you know that Madonna is one of the world's foremost experts on the Kabbalah?

/

227 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:13pm

re: #213 Dad O' Blondes

Fed Funds Rate is effectively at 0%.

Which encourages even less saving and more borrowing than ever before. Yeah, that's just what a debt-laden economy needs.

228 Eowyn2  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:21pm

re: #29 Cognito

I agree. Some of those puns get a bit arch for my taste.

They're sooo corny.

229 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:40pm

re: #192 ErnieG

You're right, according to this news article. They are going to officially announce the closing of the case.

"Reve searched the aisles, had Adam paged and then police were called. A teenage security guard would later report she had thrown Adam out of the store along with several other children who were bickering."

Wow, I never knew that. How stupid to throw out a 6 year old that was unaccompanied by a parent, and I can only imagine the guilt that person must feel today. Sad story, never let your eyes off your small children!

230 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:44pm

re: #216 ErnieG

They'll just print more, and your money's value will evaporate. Very simple, nobody has to hold it.

The value of the ££ is evaporating already - its now practically at equity with the Euro.
We're soo screwed ...

231 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:45pm

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

You are not nuts. Welcome to the Hand Basket.

BTW, thank you for correcting me last night. I was not aware that my response needed to pass Constitutional muster. Thanks for reminding me. Soon the Constitution may be nothing but a quaint memory anyway. We shall see.

232 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #181 quickjustice

i am old enough to remember a hat. and remember tipping mine to a lady

233 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:02:13pm

re: #204 Dustyvet

I don't like Christmas, it scares me, I'm just a Noel Coward.

Not another pun thread... Yule pay for this, I swear it!

234 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:02:17pm

I find myself getting my daily news input from The Onion.

I've never been happier. Compared to the real world, their stories make more sense to me.

235 alegrias  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:02:18pm

re: #91 bosforus

A little FYI - Afghan Hounds aren't considered unclean to Muslims. Likewise for another breed of dogs whose name escapes me but is similar to the Afghan Hound.

* * *
Basenji?

236 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:02:29pm

Onion: $700 Billion Bailout Celebrated With Lavish $800 Billion Executive Party

Amid the bleak backdrop of imminent economic collapse, worried observers got some good news last October when executives from the nation's top 10 failing companies celebrated the historic $700 billion government bailout with an ultra- extravagant $800 billion party aimed at restoring confidence and bolstering their resolve.

237 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:02:37pm

re: #198 eschew_obfuscation

Do y'all remember back when I said "Let there be light!"?

Boy that was some Bang!

There is no eschew_obfuscation just doesn't sound right.

238 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:02:42pm

re: #201 rawmuse

And another news report I just heard, wall street loves this rate cut. It's up over 200 points. So, if this cut is going to put us on the edge of financial ruin, how come wall street is having a fucking party today?

239 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:02:44pm

re: #205 yma o hyd

No - you have to pay them for holding your money ...

They do that already. Well, they do to the people who don't have very much cash in their accounts.

The interest rate I believe they are talking about is regarding loans, I'm sure of it. Instead of paying 5% interest on a homeloan you now pay, what? .005%?

It's idiotic! They need to RAISE interest rates, not lower them!

240 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:03:08pm

re: #226 Occasional Reader

Oy to the Vey!

241 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:03:21pm

re: #217 vapig

re: #199 Lizard by the Bay

No kidding. We're actually seeing deflation. That's awfully rare. And while it sounds attractive (price of stuff goes down), it's actually the sign of a very sick economy.

As in wheel barrows full of worthless cash - a la Zimbabwe? Juuust GREAT!

Er... no, that's hyper-inflation.

242 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:03:32pm
243 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:03:44pm

re: #235 alegrias

* * *
Basenji?

Salud!

244 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:03:47pm
245 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:03:52pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Wicked!

246 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:03:57pm

re: #156 equable

Sorry if this was already posted, but it would seem that they finally have a suspect in the 1981 murder of poor little Adam Walsh. The Walsh family has done so much to help bring justice to so many people. God be with them.

Link? That was so sad, I was living in FL when that happened. Kept a much closer watch on my two daughters.

247 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:04:03pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

Just checking. Thank you. Meds.

Just remember if your going to take meds while you on here with us, you better have enought for all of us? You know the rules.

248 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:04:07pm

re: #198 eschew_obfuscation

I thought you were old but 14 billion years? Ha

250 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:04:10pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Wall Street is forward looking. They look ahead, about 2 hours. That is about all.

251 Eowyn2  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:04:33pm

re: #139 MandyManners

She gave him the estate so maybe that means she's coming back to America.

and thank YOU for spoiling my afternoon

/

252 ErnieG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:04:36pm

re: #220 Honorary Yooper

At that point, when the US has major problems, the rest of the world is in really, really, really deep shit.

Then the rude awakening will come when George Bush, the ostensible cause of all their problems, goes away, and the really, really, really deep shit is still there and getting deeper.

253 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:05:16pm

re: #231 rawmuse

You are not nuts. Welcome to the Hand Basket.

BTW, thank you for correcting me last night. I was not aware that my response needed to pass Constitutional muster. Thanks for reminding me. Soon the Constitution may be nothing but a quaint memory anyway. We shall see.

That's ok. And I will agree with you, but move the timeline just a little. I think parts of the Constitution is already a quaint memory, considering what the government is doing with our money, at our expense, to our peril.

254 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:05:23pm

re: #214 MandyManners

Holly Jolly!

Why would ratings be disabled for this video?

255 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:05:29pm

re: #230 yma o hyd

The value of the ££ is evaporating already - its now practically at equity with the Euro.
We're soo screwed ...

Just saw your boy Foreign Minister on Charlie Rose, he's a twit.

256 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:06:01pm

re: #237 jcm

There is no eschew_obfuscation just doesn't sound right.

Hey! E_O is REAL! I'm Cereal!

257 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:06:31pm

re: #206 quickjustice

Actually, she was modestly dressed, and had mousy brown hair. I gave her a buck per coat.

Wow, that wasn't a joke. Did she strike you as somebody that would make it big one day?

258 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:06:43pm

KosKids are on the Maddof case!

I'm wondering if this scam was indeed (0+ / 0-)
intended to take money away from progressive causes and bug Democratic party donors as well. Therefore, a pattern may be there if one determines who got into the fund at the beginning and who actually made off with the profits. If they are of a different ilk, such as Republicans, or CIA/CFR connections...

The left has always been infiltrated and managed by the right. Look at how the Dems consistently roll over even when they putatively hold power. Well, money is power...

259 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:06:59pm

re: #256 eschew_obfuscation

Hey! E_O is REAL! I'm Cereal!

No. You do not exist.

[theramin music]

260 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:07:14pm

re: #257 turn

Wow, that wasn't a joke. Did she strike you as somebody that would make it big one day?


Apparently she made A=Rod big...

261 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:07:15pm

re: #241 Occasional Reader

Er... no, that's hyper-inflation.

HEY! I'm no economist! I just spend it!

262 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:07:27pm

re: #225 reloadingisnotahobby

Hey ya!
Would a that ah..be ...work friendly ?

Ho ho ho!

263 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:07:35pm

re: #69 ErnieG

So she paid $92,000,000 for a man to sleep with her? Sounds about right.

That hag got off as cheap as she looks.

264 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:07:38pm

re: #258 Ben Hur

KosKids are on the Maddof case!

I'm wondering if this scam was indeed (0+ / 0-)
intended to take money away from progressive causes and bug Democratic party donors as well. Therefore, a pattern may be there if one determines who got into the fund at the beginning and who actually made off with the profits. If they are of a different ilk, such as Republicans, or CIA/CFR connections...

The left has always been infiltrated and managed by the right. Look at how the Dems consistently roll over even when they putatively hold power. Well, money is power...

Of course, Soros' name has probably never crossed the Koskids lips?

265 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:07:50pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

And another news report I just heard, wall street loves this rate cut. It's up over 200 points. So, if this cut is going to put us on the edge of financial ruin, how come wall street is having a fucking party today?

/the stock market always looks into the future

266 Equable  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:11pm

When I was doing work with New York Attorney General Dennis Vacco's office (tracking online child pornographers/predators) I had the privilege of meeting Mr. Walsh. I can't begin to tell you how intense that man is.

267 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:13pm

re: #256 eschew_obfuscation

I'm Cereal!

Do you REALLY want us to take off on that?

268 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:19pm

MANDY!

This station has an all-Christmas program...I love it.

269 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:21pm

re: #235 alegrias

* * *
Basenji?

The correct answer was the saluki. Honestly, a bensiji's too cute for a Muslim to accept.

270 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:24pm

re: #258 Ben Hur

What idiots the Kooky Kos Kiddies are. Obviously none of them have seen what goes on in a one-party place like Chicago. It's all about money and power to those Democrats. Why should the House and the Senate Democrats be any different?

271 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:35pm

WHOOPS:

[Link: www.ezrock.com...]

272 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:39pm

re: #265 Killian Bundy

/the stock market always looks into the future

That was a sarc comment, right? Becuase if not, I'm not in the mood.

273 Equable  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:55pm

re: #246 newsjunkie_ky

Link? That was so sad, I was living in FL when that happened. Kept a much closer watch on my two daughters.

Sorry, I was watching it on Fox - they're still talking about it.

274 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:08:59pm

re: #265 Killian Bundy

/the stock market always looks into the future

Five minutes into the future.

275 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:00pm

Re: rate cut.

There is more to the action than the rate cut. The rate cuts this year have done virtually nothing, so now the Fed gets to open up their other toolbox. It's this other toolbox that will get things going.

Example: the Fed once again mentioned that they are considering open market purchases of long term treasuries to push rates down. They have not done that since the 1950s.

For the first time all year, we now see long term borrowing rates coming down. The 30 year treasury is now at 2.87%. In October, it was over 4%.

So, mortgage rates will come down, auto loans should come down, PPE loans (plant, property, and equipment) loans should come down.

Those that can and should borrow will see it get cheaper. Those that should not or cannot borrow, well, they'll just continue to vote for Democrats.

276 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:04pm

re: #248 turn

I thought you were old but 14 billion years? Ha

Yeah...California is the only place I seem to be able to have birthday cake now...but somebody's always bitchin' about their house goin' up...and I shoulda blown harder or something...

277 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:05pm

re: #258 Ben Hur

KosKids are on the Maddof case!

Must be interesting dealing with the world in a constant state of blind panic. It is like watching a collection of mice running in circles as a snake eats them one by one.

278 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:07pm

re: #267 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you REALLY want us to take off on that?

That would be flaky, if not downright nutty.

279 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:07pm

re: #213 Dad O' Blondes

Fed Funds Rate is effectively at 0%.

.


I guess it goes negative when it costs more to print the money than what it's worth.

/

280 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:08pm

re: #249 Alouette

Kos declares Bernie Madoff Public Enemy #1

He's a jooo... he was always Kos's public enemy #1

281 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:23pm

re: #267 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #256 eschew_obfuscation

I'm Cereal!

Do you REALLY want us to take off on that?

e_o gets his Kix saying things like that.

282 Eowyn2  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:28pm

re: #229 turn

"Reve searched the aisles, had Adam paged and then police were called. A teenage security guard would later report she had thrown Adam out of the store along with several other children who were bickering."

Wow, I never knew that. How stupid to throw out a 6 year old that was unaccompanied by a parent, and I can only imagine the guilt that person must feel today. Sad story, never let your eyes off your small children!

Do not be too harsh. The security guard probably said she threw out a group of children who were bickering and he may have been in with that group. Only one person is guilty of any crime. The bastard who stole Adam and murdered him. No one else is in the least bit guilty of anything.

283 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:09:51pm

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

That was a sarc comment, right? Becuase if not, I'm not in the mood.

/no, the stock market trades on the future, not the present

284 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:10:06pm

re: #260 Revobob

Apparently she made A=Rod big...


Really, I think even I could put up with her for a few years for that amount of money.

285 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:10:06pm

re: #278 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That would be flaky, if not downright nutty.

/pBMb chexs off the first two on the list

286 alegrias  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:10:10pm

re: #201 rawmuse

I forgot to add, today the Fed cut interest rates again. The T Bills are paying almost zero (for a bit they were below zero, meaning, you give the Fed 100 bucks and get back 99, smart, eh?). These are the instruments that finance our debt, now what, in the multiple trillions, I think.

Once the word gets out that there is no money to be made in financing the debt of the US of A, that is when the excrement really starts to hit the rotating device.
Government employees pay checks start to bounce. Social Security payments default or stop altogether. The military pay stops.

Everything goes negative at that point. Lights out.

* * * *
WHERE ELSE on the planet will people with money to invest put it, especially since Mr. Maddoff's been caught cheating?

This Country First! Compared to the rest of the world, anyway.

287 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:10:16pm

re: #269 bosforus

The correct answer was the saluki. Honestly, a bensiji's too cute for a Muslim to accept.

Heh. Salukis are the mascot for Southern Illinois University, Carbondale.

If anyone can answer why, I'll give them a free karma point.

/I know the answer already.

288 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:10:44pm

re: #270 Honorary Yooper

What idiots the Kooky Kos Kiddies are. Obviously none of them have seen what goes on in a one-party place like Chicago. It's all about money and power to those Democrats. Why should the House and the Senate Democrats be any different?


Kos should know about Chicago politics, he went to high school in the suburbs in the area.

289 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:10:52pm

re: #284 turn

Really, I think even I could put up with her for a few years for that amount of money.

I don't know. Have you seen her lately?

290 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:11:00pm

re: #244 Ford_Prefect

Achmed The Dead Terrorist Carols

That is hilarious!

291 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:11:07pm

re: #281 Occasional Reader

e_o gets his Kix saying things like that.

/pBNb chexs off still ANOTHER bran

292 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:11:22pm

re: #290 MandyManners

That is hilarious!

I thought so. :-)

293 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:11:23pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

Heh. Salukis are the mascot for Southern Illinois University, Carbondale.

If anyone can answer why, I'll give them a free karma point.

/I know the answer already.

Because Obama's a Muslim?
/

294 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:11:30pm

re: #285 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/pBMb chexs off the first two on the list

You can send those talking points off, with a hearty "Cheerio!".

295 ErnieG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:11:34pm

re: #283 Killian Bundy

/no, the stock market trades on the future, not the present

And as Yogi Berra said, "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."

296 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:11:51pm

re: #291 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/pBNb chexs off still ANOTHER bran

Wow, who gave this thread life?

297 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:11:56pm

re: #275 n2stox

Re: rate cut.

... So, mortgage rates will come down, auto loans should come down, PPE loans (plant, property, and equipment) loans should come down.

Those that can and should borrow will see it get cheaper. Those that should not or cannot borrow, well, they'll just continue to vote for Democrats.

What are you talking about? Did you see my earlier question?

I just got back from some food shopping. On the radio, while in the car, I hear "Feds may lower interest rate a half point in hopes that it will help banks free up some credit."

Now wait, I thought that was the reason for the bailouts. To free the banks from some bad investments so they would keep the credit pipes open.

Wasn't that one the mandates of the bailout? Who the fuck are these politicians trying to fool (rhetorical question)? Where is the fucking oversight (rhetorical question)?

Isn't it against the law to receive government mandated funds and not use them for what they were alloted for (rhetorical question)?

The banks have been given money and they are sitting on the credit. How do you explain that?

298 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:12:27pm

re: #291 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/pBNb chexs off still ANOTHER bran

Preview MUST be My Friend, because I can't get my own nic right, and I haven't been into the eggnog today! SHEESH!

299 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:12:28pm

re: #249 Alouette

Kos declares Bernie Madoff Public Enemy #1

Is that suppose to scare him? What is he French or something?

300 Eowyn2  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:12:38pm

re: #249 Alouette

Kos declares Bernie Madoff Public Enemy #1

not really, he's just the warm up for how horrible GW is. You know, its Bush's fault the guy was robbing everyone blind. If Bush had had more oversight of every financial dealing in the world, this never would have happened.

301 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:12:56pm

re: #295 ErnieG

And as Yogi Berra said, "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."

That's because "The future ain't what it used to be."

302 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:12:58pm

re: #285 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/pBMb chexs off the first two on the list


Those would be the first of the Basic 4, right?

303 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:13:03pm

re: #288 opnion

Kos should know about Chicago politics, he went to high school in the suburbs in the area.

Then Kos should know better about Democrats, money, and power. Of course, he seems to worship attaining the latter two while being the first, and claiming to espouse a populist agenda.

Greedy kostard.

304 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:13:11pm

re: #296 Ford_Prefect

Wow, who gave this thread life?

Indeed, it was in Total decline before. But now I guess Alpen a few more quips.

305 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:13:15pm

re: #244 Ford_Prefect

Achmed The Dead Terrorist Carols

Thank you! That was great!

upding!

306 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:13:28pm

re: #293 bosforus

Because Obama's a Muslim?
/

Nope, try again.

307 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:13:33pm

re: #284 turn

Really, I think even I could put up with her for a few years for that amount of money.

A-Rod must be one twisted dude?

308 Eowyn2  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:13:47pm

re: #285 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/pBMb chexs off the first two on the list


Cheerio folks, see you down thread

309 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:13:59pm

re: #296 Ford_Prefect

Wow, who gave this thread life?

*grin*
We're violating trademark statute all over the place!
*rimshot* guys!

310 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:14:14pm
311 alegrias  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:14:26pm

re: #230 yma o hyd

The value of the ££ is evaporating already - its now practically at equity with the Euro.
We're soo screwed ...

* * *
C'mon people. The fundamentals of the economy are strong, said John McCain!

WE are the fundamentals. We have our wits, that's about it, and must keep them in order to survive. Think of the Greatest Generation, all over the world, that survived the Great Depression yet lived to fight & WIN WWII over the Axis powers.

We can survive this.

312 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:14:32pm

re: #282 Eowyn2

Do not be too harsh. The security guard probably said she threw out a group of children who were bickering and he may have been in with that group. Only one person is guilty of any crime. The bastard who stole Adam and murdered him. No one else is in the least bit guilty of anything.

It appeared she said specifically him, but point well taken E. Of course the ultimate blame lies with the perp but you can't help feeling the pain of those who wish they would have done things differently. Point was don't let your eyes off your young children, you have that responsibility above all else.

313 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:14:37pm

re: #307 Nevergiveup

A-Rod must be one twisted dude?

Why would you say that? He's getting his crank dipped and he probably will walk away with more money than he'll ever be worth. Consider it a bailout to Rod.

314 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:14:46pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

Heh. Salukis are the mascot for Southern Illinois University, Carbondale.

If anyone can answer why, I'll give them a free karma point.

/I know the answer already.

I think it is because SIU is in the Cairo/Little Egypt area. The Saluki is an Egytian dog.

315 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:14:50pm

re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We're violating trademark statute all over the place!

Why are you raisin' bran name issues?

316 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:15:39pm
FLASH: Clinton personal secretary, Betty Currie, now answers phones at Obama headquarters... Developing...
317 alegrias  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:15:47pm

re: #243 Occasional Reader

Salud!

* * *
Castillians say "Hay-Sus!".

For really big sneezes, "Haysus, Maria y Jose!"

318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:15:54pm

re: #315 Occasional Reader

Why are you raisin' bran name issues?

Just feellin' my oats.

319 ErnieG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:15:57pm

re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat


We're violating trademark statute all over the place!

Is that like statuary rape?

320 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:16:05pm

re: #310 buzzsawmonkey

People with tired feet = entropods.


And apparently lizards should be reclassified as punnipeds!

321 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:16:22pm

Can we have a smack down fight between -
In this corner "Public Enemy #1" and facing him "The Worst Person in the World."

322 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:16:31pm

re: #314 opnion

I think it is because SIU is in the Cairo/Little Egypt area. The Saluki is an Egytian dog.

Free karma point to Opnion.

323 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:16:44pm

re: #319 ErnieG

Is that like statuary rape?

*BARF*

324 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:17:02pm

re: #303 Honorary Yooper

Then Kos should know better about Democrats, money, and power. Of course, he seems to worship attaining the latter two while being the first, and claiming to espouse a populist agenda.

Greedy kostard.

Willfuly ignorant.

325 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:17:03pm

re: #315 Occasional Reader

Why are you raisin' bran name issues?


Like we don't every time we Post!

326 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:17:16pm

re: #321 lifeofthemind

Can we have a smack down fight between -
In this corner "Public Enemy #1" and facing him "The Worst Person in the World."

I'm pretty sure Chuck D would be up to the challenge.

327 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:17:32pm

re: #222 Revobob

I tried o tell you kids not to play with that entropy, but you wouldn't listen!

Entropy and Inertia

The world tends to go to Hell and stay there.

328 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:17:46pm

re: #286 alegrias

* * * *
WHERE ELSE on the planet will people with money to invest put it, especially since Mr. Maddoff's been caught cheating?

This Country First! Compared to the rest of the world, anyway.

For starters, they will put their money some places that has a return, or at least, does not have a negative return. Provided, of course, that such a place exists, and even that is now doubtful.

329 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:17:47pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

Why would you say that? He's getting his crank dipped and he probably will walk away with more money than he'll ever be worth. Consider it a bailout to Rod.

He had a beautiful ex-wife and has been spotted ( unfortunately even when married ) with bevies of beauties, and Madonna is what he wants?

330 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:17:49pm

No matter what the issue is it is still Bush's fault.

From KOS

* bobswern's diary :: ::
*

Of course, it's easy to blame Madoff. And, I'd like nothing more than for this guy to be taken out back and shot. But, I have to ask: What about the total lack of regulatory supervision that occurred as far as all of this was concerned? The extent to which our markets have gone completely unsupervised under the Bush Administration is beyond the pale! (I'll save that rant for another time. And, despite the title of this diary, the reality is that Bernie Madoff now belongs on the list of "All-time Progressive Enemies;" but George W. Bush still lays claim to the top spot on it.)

331 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:19:06pm

re: #296 Ford_Prefect

Wow, who gave this thread life?

Don't complain - Mikey likes it.

332 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:19:37pm

re: #329 Nevergiveup

He had a beautiful ex-wife and has been spotted ( unfortunately even when married ) with bevies of beauties, and Madonna is what he wants?

Did any one of the bevy of beauties have the total net worth that Madonna has? If your answer to that question is "no," than you have the answer to your other question above.

333 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:19:45pm

Lunch is over, but I wanted to counter with one more shoe pun just to stay instep- with luck it'll be the last!

334 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:20:02pm

re: #275 n2stox

Hey n2, you seem to really know your stuff. I'm thinking of refinancing my house to consolidate debt but am not too desperate. When do you think rates will bottom out?

335 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:20:06pm

re: #329 Nevergiveup

He had a beautiful ex-wife and has been spotted ( unfortunately even when married ) with bevies of beauties, and Madonna is what he wants?

Madonna and A Rod? That's too much testosterone in one room for me.

336 ryannon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:20:10pm

Peter Falk playing Peter Falk in a scene from 'Wings of Desire' (starts @4:27)

337 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:20:22pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

Did any one of the bevy of beauties have the total net worth that Madonna has? If your answer to that question is "no," than you have the answer to your other question above.

It's not as if A-Rod is hurting for cash these days.

338 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:20:29pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

the part of ill. is called little egypt thus a egyptian dog

339 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:20:30pm

re: #331 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Don't complain - Mikey likes it.

He likes it bear naked.

340 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:20:54pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

Did any one of the bevy of beauties have the total net worth that Madonna has? If your answer to that question is "no," than you have the answer to your other question above.

He makes over 25 million a year before endorsements? I mean how much is enough?

341 JHW  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:21:10pm

Anyone else hear of James Grant, of "Grant's Interest Rate Observer"? The bond talk of this thread got me to glancing at a book he wrote in the early '90s, "Minding Mr. Market". Some of his predictions are eerily accurate from what I see at first glance, though I don't pretend to understand bonds and bond trading. Here's a recent (Oct.) article of his in the Washington Post. Not giving me any confidence.
Bad Medicine

342 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:21:14pm

Oldest Spider Web Found, Scientist Says

A British scientist said Monday that the tangled threads seen encased in this prehistoric piece of amber is the world's oldest spider web, at 140 million years old. A microscope revealed the existence of tiny threads about 1/20th of an inch long amid bits of burnt sap and fossilized vegetable matter.

I'm sure they mean "140 million DAYS old."

Just kidding! ;)

343 alegrias  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:21:17pm

re: #297 Walter L. Newton

The banks have been given money and they are sitting on the credit. How do you explain that?

* * *
Maybe banks are trying to establish some minimum borrowing standards for a change?

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:21:39pm

re: #333 Revobob

Lunch is over, but I wanted to counter with one more shoe pun just to stay instep- with luck it'll be the last!

It's now serial getting creamed.

345 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:21:47pm

re: #311 alegrias

* * *
C'mon people. The fundamentals of the economy are strong, said John McCain!

WE are the fundamentals. We have our wits, that's about it, and must keep them in order to survive. Think of the Greatest Generation, all over the world, that survived the Great Depression yet lived to fight & WIN WWII over the Axis powers.

We can survive this.

I love you for saying that {upding} - BUT - we were a different people then. We've had about 60 years of the libs dumbing down our children AND sucking the self-sufficiency out of us.

I still have high hopes, but there's a lot of stupid out there.

346 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:21:59pm

re: #297 Walter L. Newton

The banks have been given money and they are sitting on the credit. How do you explain that?

Tecnically, there is more than 1 "credit crunch." One had to do with LIBOR (the interbank rate). Libor spiked from around 2% to over 4% (and this is for overnight loans, mind you) when banks would not lend to each other. the Feds stepped in and backstopped bank loans between one another. LIBOR is now back to 0.96% (perhaps an all time low).

Then, there's the credit crunch where the commercial paper stopped trading. these are short term debts that companies use to finance operations on an ongoing basis. The Fed backstopped these loans as well, so that market loosened up.

Now, regarding you or me being able to get a loan, I can assure you that anyone with decent credit and some sort of down payment will have no problems borrowing money. I just saw a client refinance with no problems. Banks ARE lending money, but it's just not the free for all that we saw 2 years ago.

The other reason banks were given capital was to avoid the pitfalls of raising capital in the open market. If you need to raise a billion or two, the open market works great. As that sum goes to $10 billion+, the open market becomes difficult. In a recession, it is impossible. So, much of this given money was to shore up banks' tier 1 capital so they are in regulatory compliance.

Credit will flow. remember, this will not get fixed overnight.

347 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:22:08pm

re: #276 eschew_obfuscation


You're lucky they don't sneak in those trick candles that don't blow out. Stay healthy eschew!

348 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:22:13pm

re: #330 father_of_10

Junior High hall monitors, "You better watch out, I'm putting you on my list."
They keep doing it and by projection they obsessively accuse the Republicans of doing it when they don't. Nixon was laughed at for drawing up an "enemies list" and these jerks live it every day.

349 Smilla  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:22:28pm

re: #330 father_of_10

No matter what the issue is it is still Bush's fault.

From KOS

* bobswern's diary :: ::
*

Of course, it's easy to blame Madoff. And, I'd like nothing more than for this guy to be taken out back and shot. But, I have to ask: What about the total lack of regulatory supervision that occurred as far as all of this was concerned? The extent to which our markets have gone completely unsupervised under the Bush Administration is beyond the pale! (I'll save that rant for another time. And, despite the title of this diary, the reality is that Bernie Madoff now belongs on the list of "All-time Progressive Enemies;" but George W. Bush still lays claim to the top spot on it.)

I don't get the total lack of market regulation either. Because, guess what, people can be greedy. Even children know that!

350 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:22:55pm

Gah!

I step away for a minute and the fruit loops have run off with the thread.

351 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:23:10pm

re: #347 turn
Gesundheit!

352 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:23:17pm

This line of puns is just barley stayin' afloat.

353 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:23:36pm

re: #340 Nevergiveup

He makes over 25 million a year before endorsements? I mean how much is enough?

I don't know, ask Congress. Ask Madonna. Why is it so odd to you that he would possibly prostitute himself for the bottom line, money.

All kinds of people have been doing it forever. What the hell makes him any different. For a matter of fact, it's sort of the in thing to do now a days.

Pimp your this, pimp your that. It's a mentality that society is fostering everyday.

354 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:23:41pm

re: #289 Ford_Prefect

I don't know. Have you seen her lately?

Ha! Great body though.

355 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:23:48pm

SIU = SALULKI'S
NIU = HUSKIES

ILL SURE IS GOING TO THE DOGS.

356 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:23:58pm

re: #350 jcm

Gah!

I step away for a minute and the fruit loops have run off with the thread.


Everybody is just up to their old Trix

357 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:24:38pm

re: #350 jcm

Gah!

I step away for a minute and the fruit loops have run off with the thread.

Does it go against the grain with you?

358 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:24:42pm

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

I don't know, ask Congress. Ask Madonna. Why is it so odd to you that he would possibly prostitute himself for the bottom line, money.

All kinds of people have been doing it forever. What the hell makes him any different. For a matter of fact, it's sort of the in thing to do now a days.

Pimp your this, pimp your that. It's a mentality that society is fostering everyday.

Walter you always say your not a real sports fan so I got to ask, do you know who A-Rod is?

359 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:24:45pm

re: #349 Smilla

I don't get the total lack of market regulation either. Because, guess what, people can be greedy. Even children know that!

I don't think there is a total lack of market regulation. It seems pretty well regulated to me. Regulation does not and never will stop corruption and greed. Especially when the crooks are smarter than the regulators, as in this case.

360 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:24:52pm

re: #346 n2stox

Thanks for your detailed answer.

361 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:25:09pm

re: #266 Equable

When I was doing work with New York Attorney General Dennis Vacco's office (tracking online child pornographers/predators) I had the privilege of meeting Mr. Walsh. I can't begin to tell you how intense that man is.

I guess alot of us would be if that happened to one of our kids.

I have some big time respect for Mr. Walsh, and how he was able to turn a tragedy into something good. He's a real hero. And surely he seems like the kind of guy who give it all back, if only he could have his son alive and well.

I actually "hate" that this type of crime happens. I know -- really do know -- that if anything even close to this happened to one of the blondes, then Mom O'Blondes would track that cretin down and tear him limb from limb.

.

362 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:25:48pm

re: #356 Revobob

Everybody is just up to their old Trix

It's nothing substantial. Just a bunch of cuckoo puffs.

363 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:25:50pm

re: #350 jcm

Gah!

I step away for a minute and the fruit loops have run off with the thread.

Most left without so much as a Cheerio!

364 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:26:17pm

re: #352 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This line of puns is just barley stayin' afloat.

Nothing we professional punsters can't milk for a little longer.

365 Smilla  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:26:18pm

re: #359 father_of_10

I don't think there is a total lack of market regulation. It seems pretty well regulated to me. Regulation does not and never will stop corruption and greed. Especially when the crooks are smarter than the regulators, as in this case.

By that logic, then, we may as well not have police, since criminals can be smarter than them, too.

366 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:26:28pm

NOT a lot of people live down that way in littl' egypt and most of them went or work at SIU. OPINION did you go to school there?

367 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:26:29pm

re: #316 Ben Hur

Clintons have to have something on O, shit next Chelsea and their pets will be on O's payroll.

368 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:27:23pm

re: #363 vapig

Most left without so much as a Cheerio!

Maybe he was looking for a BRAN new thread.

369 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:27:26pm

re: #364 bosforus

Nothing we professional punsters can't milk for a little longer.

We'll bowl the rest of 'em over.

370 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:27:38pm

Obama truly establishes his level of sophistication bringing all of this Chicago talent into his administration.
A prime example is incoming Secretary of Education, Chicago Superentendent of Schools Arnie Duncan
The success is so obvious, for every 100 students going through the Chicago Public School experience 6 will go on to attain a Bachelors Degree!

371 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:27:50pm

re: #358 Nevergiveup

Walter you always say your not a real sports fan so I got to ask, do you know who A-Rod is?

I know he's a sports figure. What the difference does that make. We've had presidents getting their dicks sucked in the oval office.

If someone wants something, it doesn't matter who they are, what they are, where they are, they are going to go get it. We see this day after day, year after year.

I don't care if he was a priest. What in hell does that have to do with it. He's not some sort of god, even though I know sports fans that treat sport figures like some sort of demigods.

372 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:27:52pm

re: #364 bosforus

Nothing we professional punsters can't milk for a little longer.

As long as we're up to our usual Trix.

373 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:02pm

re: #364 bosforus

Nothing we professional punsters can't milk for a little longer.


Yeah- Some of us are old enough to remember General Mills when he was newly Posted to Battle Creek as a Captain- THAT was Crunch time!

374 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:07pm

re: #355 yochanan

SIU = SALULKI'S
NIU = HUSKIES

ILL SURE IS GOING TO THE DOGS.

Don't give my beast any ideas, thought I saw him eyeing the computer with a plan to put the job of Doggie Dad up on Ebay. We don't even live in the place.

375 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:10pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

He likes it bear naked.

Boo! Berry bad of you to derail the cereal-puns thread, just when I'd almost thought up something for "Mueslix."

376 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:23pm

re: #329 Nevergiveup

He had a beautiful ex-wife and has been spotted ( unfortunately even when married ) with bevies of beauties, and Madonna is what he wants?

Just her money it would appear...

377 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:32pm

re: #357 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Does it go against the grain with you?

Cream's my wheat it does!

378 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:51pm

re: #368 father_of_10

Maybe he was looking for a BRAN new thread.

Or chasing some pop tart!

379 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:52pm

re: #369 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We'll bowl the rest of 'em over.

I'm Quaker-ing in my boots.

(Combined pun threads!)

380 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:54pm

re: #355 yochanan

SIU = SALULKI'S
NIU = HUSKIES

ILL SURE IS GOING TO THE DOGS.

but no Chief Illiniwik in Champaign.

381 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:28:56pm

re: #342 Ben Hur

Oldest Spider Web Found, Scientist Says

I'm sure they mean "140 million DAYS old."

Just kidding! ;)

Don't get confused.
It's like "Dog Years"
Rational People Years: 1 Year = 1Year
Creationist Years: 1 Year = 5Billion Years +/-

382 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:29:12pm

re: #375 Throbert McGee

Boo! Berry bad of you to derail the cereal-puns thread, just when I'd almost thought up something for "Mueslix."

I could probably go on for hours, since I suspect you and I are looking at the same Wiki page...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Takes all the fun out of it.

383 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:29:31pm

re: #350 jcm

Gah!

I step away for a minute and the fruit loops have run off with the thread.

Crazy wabbit, Trix are for kids...

384 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:29:36pm

re: #375 Throbert McGee

Boo! Berry bad of you to derail the cereal-puns thread, just when I'd almost thought up something for "Mueslix."

We should instead be talking about vote-stealing by Al Franken. Berry important, that topic is.

385 mattm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:29:41pm

I'm preparing for the consecutive snow storms that are supposed to hit the north east soon. So much for warming.

386 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:29:44pm

re: #376 turn

Just her money it would appear...

/No, do you know who A-rod is. He would never do that!

387 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:29:46pm

re: #370 opnion

Obama truly establishes his level of sophistication bringing all of this Chicago talent into his administration.
A prime example is incoming Secretary of Education, Chicago Superentendent of Schools Arnie Duncan
The success is so obvious, for every 100 students going through the Chicago Public School experience 6 will go on to attain a Bachelors Degree!

His HUD guy from NYC has got connections to ACORN.

388 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:30:16pm

re: #334 turn

Hey n2, you seem to really know your stuff. I'm thinking of refinancing my house to consolidate debt but am not too desperate. When do you think rates will bottom out?

Well, the 30 day treasury has already shown a negative yield once ($1 million invested gives you less than $1 million 3 months down the road).

Most mortgages are loosely based on the 30 year treasury.

That rate has dropped in a big way recently, and probably won't come up any time soon, so you probably have some time.

Of course, timing this is impossible, but I would expect rates to come lower over the next month or 2. This is not something you need to rush into.

To track rates, check out bankrate.com. And, of course, always use a reputable, trustworthy lender.

Quick tip: maybe even use 2 mortgage brokers. On my last house purchase, I started the process with 2, and when it came time to lock things in, I went with the one with the best rate. If a lender thinks you are only dealing with them, they may try to monkey around with you. using 2, you're less likely to be forced into a box.

389 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:30:26pm

re: #376 turn

Just her money it would appear...

Like I said, he's not hurting for cash without Madonna. A-Rod's roughly my age & he's probably wanted to bang Madonna since he was in junior high & now he can. The cosmic ballet goes on.

390 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:30:45pm

re: #365 Smilla

By that logic, then, we may as well not have police, since criminals can be smarter than them, too.

I think your taking my comment and really stretching it! come on. I didn't say we should not regulate. I said we ARE regulating. But, regulation will not stop ALL corruption and greed. Regulation stops MOST of it. But! There will always be that one guy . . . the brilliant misguided evil genius that outsmarts the regulators. The guy guy that is smarter than the cops.

Are you denying that? Do you think we should regulate and regulate until EVERY aspect of the market and society is controlled so that absolutely NO crime is EVER committed?

391 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:30:50pm

re: #381 IslandLibertarian

Don't get confused.
It's like "Dog Years"
Rational People Years: 1 Year = 1Year
Creationist Years: 1 Year = 5Billion Years +/-

So when a Creationist asks for 5 minutes of your time that means they really want to take away the rest of your life?

392 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:30:51pm

re: #384 Occasional Reader

We should instead be talking about vote-stealing by Al Franken. Berry important, that topic is.


What do you expect from a state in the corn belt?

393 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:31:11pm

re: #391 lifeofthemind

So when a Creationist asks for 5 minutes of your time that means they really want to take away the rest of your life?

No, it'll just seem like it

394 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:31:50pm

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

Takes all the fun out of it.

True, I cheated on a philosopher pun thread a week or so ago. I felt so ashamed. But there were too many good puns to pass up.

395 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:07pm

re: #389 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Like I said, he's not hurting for cash without Madonna. A-Rod's roughly my age & he's probably wanted to bang Madonna since he was in junior high & now he can. The cosmic ballet goes on.

I don't get it. He doesn't need the money and I can't see him wanting her Lucky Charms.

396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:10pm

re: #384 Occasional Reader

We should instead be talking about vote-stealing by Al Franken. Berry important, that topic is.

I certainly don't want him in the Senate along with Barney Frank. One fruit, brute that he is, is enough.

397 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:14pm

re: #330 father_of_10

Sadly, a cure for BDS will never be found.

398 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:17pm

Bye y'all- time for me to Kashi-out

399 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:26pm

re: #393 Desert Dog

No, it'll just seem like it

Ha ha! A literal LOL from me on that one.

400 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:35pm

re: #387 jcm

His HUD guy from NYC has got connections to ACORN.

Things are going to be interesting.

401 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:35pm

re: #394 bosforus

True, I cheated on a philosopher pun thread a week or so ago. I felt so ashamed. But there were too many good puns to pass up.

You found the Platonic Pun?

402 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:44pm

re: #387 jcm

His HUD guy from NYC has got connections to ACORN.

I worked in IT in an industry that did HUD property work (1986-89). I will assure you that ACORN has HUD in their pocket all over the country. You can't kick the wall at a HUD office without ACORN scattering out from under the woodwork.

403 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:32:55pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

I know he's a sports figure. What the difference does that make. We've had presidents getting their dicks sucked in the oval office.

If someone wants something, it doesn't matter who they are, what they are, where they are, they are going to go get it. We see this day after day, year after year.

I don't care if he was a priest. What in hell does that have to do with it. He's not some sort of god, even though I know sports fans that treat sport figures like some sort of demigods.

I don't think your getting my point. He has everything or can get anything he wants and his choice is Madonna? Nobody gets it? Nobody admires him. We all think he is a jerk.

404 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:33:08pm

re: #370 opnion

Obama truly establishes his level of sophistication bringing all of this Chicago talent into his administration.
A prime example is incoming Secretary of Education, Chicago Superentendent of Schools Arnie Duncan
The success is so obvious, for every 100 students going through the Chicago Public School experience 6 will go on to attain a Bachelors Degree!

Whoa! Sounds like just the results we need! Wow! A whole 6% 4-year degree rate! And you say we can get that fro coast to coast?

405 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:33:09pm

re: #378 vapig

Or chasing some pop tart!

Madonna's available again.

406 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:33:12pm

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

I could probably go on for hours, since I suspect you and I are looking at the same Wiki page...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Takes all the fun out of it.

Hey! No fair! That's cheating!

/stashes link...

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:33:12pm

I have a very talented friend who is releasing a cd.

Made a totally happenstance connection with her a few days ago, (we dated in High School) she is now a Professor of Music (voice) at a reallly big University.

In her words "It is a recording of obscure music by Jewish composers whose lives were affected by the Holocaust... I'm sure it's going to top the charts!"

I think there are some folks at LGF who may be interested. I'll let y'all know when it is coming out.

408 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:33:16pm

All the snap and crackle just went plop.

409 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:33:47pm

re: #398 Revobob

Bye y'all- time for me to Kashi-out

Just dropping in. Have not read the thread, but this Post looks like I missed a Total cereal pun thread. Yes?

410 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:33:57pm

re: #384 Occasional Reader

We should instead be talking about vote-stealing by Al Franken. Berry important, that topic is.

That puffs my cocoas.

411 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:33:57pm
412 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:34:08pm

re: #401 lifeofthemind

You found the Platonic Pun?

Yes, and it was rather Thoreau. I'd rather not relive it.

413 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:34:11pm

re: #374 lifeofthemind

you should be happy they aren't cats the job would have been done already if they were.

414 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:34:31pm

re: #403 Nevergiveup

I don't think your getting my point. He has everything or can get anything he wants and his choice is Madonna? Nobody gets it? Nobody admires him. We all think he is a jerk.

OK. Seriously. You guys are getting into a pissing match over whether or not A-Rod should screw Madonna? Relax guys.

415 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:34:36pm

re: #410 MandyManners

That puffs my cocoas.

Mallow out.

416 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:34:37pm

re: #379 Ford_Prefect

I'm Quaker-ing in my boots.

(Combined pun threads!)

Did you know you could get down-dinged for a combine pun thread? It was in a memo, ya know.

417 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:34:40pm

re: #407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know the subject is of historical importance and I do have a personal connection, but GAWD that sounds depressing. Top the charts? Uhhh mmmkay...

418 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:35:01pm

re: #406 vapig

Hey! No fair! That's cheating!

/stashes link...

well, if nothing else, it has been amusing me reading them ;-)>

419 Revobob  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:35:03pm

re: #409 Creeping Eruption
Yes- OT made any progress getting Mrs Creeping to the range?

420 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:35:11pm

re: #352 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This line of puns is just barley stayin' afloat.

Maybe that's where those swarthy Aussie's picked up the phrase "Cheerio, Mate".

Or is that British? (I can never tell with these speech things)

421 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:35:17pm

re: #414 Ford_Prefect

It's philosophy, silly.

422 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:35:31pm

re: #390 father_of_10

If it gets to that point then transacting any kind of business would be bound to break some law.

423 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:35:50pm

re: #346 n2stox

Money will flow? Hey, when do I get my bailout :.)

424 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:35:50pm

re: #404 father_of_10

Whoa! Sounds like just the results we need! Wow! A whole 6% 4-year degree rate! And you say we can get that fro coast to coast?

The Chicago Public Schools model will soon be available everywhere.

425 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:35:52pm

re: #413 yochanan

you should be happy they aren't cats the job would have been done already if they were.

Cats are dreaming of their owners being the size of mice.

426 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:36:01pm

re: #416 father_of_10

Did you know you could get down-dinged for a combine pun thread? It was in a memo, ya know.

Yeah, but it's worth it!

427 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:36:13pm

re: #405 MandyManners

Madonna's available again.

That was POP TART, not Flop Fart

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:36:24pm

re: #417 WriterMom

She's not a poster here. With reference to "topping the charts". I's sure it did not occur to her to leave a sarc tag.

Silly Writer Mom.

429 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:36:25pm

re: #403 Nevergiveup

I don't think your getting my point. He has everything or can get anything he wants and his choice is Madonna? Nobody gets it? Nobody admires him. We all think he is a jerk.

You don't get it. He doesn't care if you don't admire him, if you think he's a jerk. Isn't that evident? Geeessshhh.

430 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:36:35pm

Discussions on the fed rate cute, cereal puns & why A-Rod would bang Madonna all going on at the same time. This is why I love LGF!

431 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:36:35pm

re: #419 Revobob

Yes- OT made any progress getting Mrs Creeping to the range?

Not even close. We were at a Christmas party the other day and I was discussing various things with a police officer there, who discussed safe handling, etc. Its a start.

432 alegrias  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:36:45pm

re: #384 Occasional Reader

We should instead be talking about vote-stealing by Al Franken. Berry important, that topic is.

* * *
Minnesotan voters are making a laughingstock of their state.

Norm Coleman--NOT Al Franken--stood up to Saddam Hussein's stooge, the joker British politician named "Gorgeous George" who took bribes from Saddam Hussein during the Oil for Food ripoff that rivals Maddoff's ripoff.

Where are the people who really put children first?

433 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:36:55pm

re: #420 Joo-LiZ

Maybe that's where those swarthy Aussie's picked up the phrase "Cheerio, Mate".

Or is that British? (I can never tell with these speech things)

IIRC, it's English, and upper-crust pommie at that. To an Aussie, it's probably an expletive.

434 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:37:01pm

re: #360 Walter L. Newton

No sweat. I find the media doesn't help when they use one term to describe what is at least 3 distinctly different phenomena.

And, if anyone asks, the reasons I stated above are the reasons why the finance sector gets a huge rescue, while other sectors haven't, yet.

Could you imagine if companies like AT&t, Coke, JNJ, IBM, WalMart, and Mcdonalds couldn't make payroll due to commercial paper markets seizing up? They are totally unrelated to this disaster, but would get squashed in it all the same.

435 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:37:02pm

re: #402 Walter L. Newton

I worked in IT in an industry that did HUD property work (1986-89). I will assure you that ACORN has HUD in their pocket all over the country. You can't kick the wall at a HUD office without ACORN scattering out from under the woodwork.

When I saw that announcement, it took less than 2 minutes to track Shaun Donovan's links down. With not a peep in the MSM. Donovan's big on "affordable" home ownership for the poor. The same philosophy that got us into this mess.

436 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:37:22pm

re: #360 Walter L. Newton

Me thinks n2 really know his s@#$ ...

437 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:37:49pm
438 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:38:04pm

re: #99 CapeCoddah

Not if the restaurant has the sign that says, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Honestly, I don't like it either, but that's a private business. The owner can be an ass if he wants.

439 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:38:10pm

re: #432 alegrias

* * *
Minnesotan voters are making a laughingstock of their state.

Norm Coleman--NOT Al Franken--stood up to Saddam Hussein's stooge, the joker British politician named "Gorgeous George" who took bribes from Saddam Hussein during the Oil for Food ripoff that rivals Maddoff's ripoff.

Where are the people who really put children first?

What is the current state with that? Is Franken really going to steal this election!?

440 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:38:10pm

re: #414 Ford_Prefect

OK. Seriously. You guys are getting into a pissing match over whether or not A-Rod should screw Madonna? Relax guys.

I'm not in a pissing match, I don't get Walters point but I am getting a head ache?

441 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:38:31pm

re: #420 Joo-LiZ

Maybe that's where those swarthy Aussie's picked up the phrase "Cheerio, Mate".

Or is that British? (I can never tell with these speech things)

Since they came from the same place, does it matter?

442 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:38:34pm

re: #425 lifeofthemind

Cats are dreaming of their owners being the size of mice.

True. If cats had opposable thumbs they would strangle their owners at night.

443 opinionated  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:38:40pm

Charles: It's being discussed everywhere and I find many of the comments I read interesting and telling for various reasons.

Think we could have a Madoff thread?

444 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:38:42pm

U.S. Court rules Orthodox Jews cannot use the same tax deductions as Scientologists

An American court ruled this week that an Orthodox Jewish couple could not use tax deductions that Scientologists can use (deductions they obtained by way of a secret 1993 agreement with the Internal Revenue Service). In the case Sklar v. Commissioner of the IRS, Michael and Marla Sklar tried to claim their childrens’ tuition for their Jewish day school as a tax deduction but their argument was rejected by the US Ninth Circuit Court because it violates the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, which states in the first sentence that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”.


The Sklars’ main argument was that section 170(f)(8) and 6115 of the IRS code authorized deductions for donations made to religious institutions if they provided “intangible religious benefits”. Scientologists can claim deductions for “religious” services provided by the “Church”, and the Sklars argued that they too should be allowed to utilize this benefit. If the “Church” of Scientology is allowed to violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, then they should be able to do the same thing in the name of consistency. The Ninth Circuit Court rejected this argument because “[t]o conclude otherwise would be tantamount to rewriting the Tax Code, disregarding Supreme Court precedent, only to reach a conclusion directly at odds with the Establishment Clause — all in the name of the Establishment Clause.”.

Seems to me to be a bit of catch 22. If they don't extend the deduction to all religions, but let Scientology keep it, it does seem to establish Scientology as a state religion though...

445 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:38:57pm

re: #438 Dianna

Not if the restaurant has the sign that says, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Honestly, I don't like it either, but that's a private business. The owner can be an ass if he wants.

I want a sign in my restaurant (if I had one) that says: We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone.

446 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:39:12pm

re: #361 Dad O' Blondes

Well said Dad ...

447 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:39:16pm

re: #438 Dianna

Not if the restaurant has the sign that says, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Honestly, I don't like it either, but that's a private business. The owner can be an ass if he wants.

What if the restaurant refuses to serve black people?

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:39:24pm

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course, I'd listen to it before I recommended it.

She is one of the funniest/happiest people I have ever met. I don't think she'd record something overly depressing.

449 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:40:14pm

re: #447 MandyManners

What if the restaurant refuses to serve black people?

I don't know, but I think someone said on an earlier thread that they are kinda salty.

//

450 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:40:14pm

re: #430 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Discussions on the fed rate cute, cereal puns & why A-Rod would bang Madonna all going on at the same time. This is why I love LGF!

*grin*
Seems a fitting moment for ... Turbo Hamster!

451 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:40:19pm

re: #407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey FVB, update. I went to the store, had a list of some of the items that you and the Lizards recommended. Well, forget it. I stuck with my standard canned veggies and frozen veggies.

A RED PEPPER at 2.29 each. Grapes 3.00 a pound. And I could go on.

I got 5 pounds of frozen vegetables, cali, pepper mix, brocoli, stir fry for 1 dollar a pound bag.

Thanks for the tips, but I can't afford to be anything but a bottom shelf veggie eater.

452 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:40:22pm
453 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:40:30pm

re: #409 Creeping Eruption

Just dropping in. Have not read the thread, but this Post looks like I missed a Total cereal pun thread. Yes?

This thread and a cup of milk offers 100% of 14 FDA recommended vitamans and minerals!

454 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:40:36pm

re: #438 Dianna

That raises some interesting issues.

455 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:40:48pm

re: #419 Revobob

Yes- OT made any progress getting Mrs Creeping to the range?

can't say i would want to take mrs y. to the range, i perfer to remain imperferate.

456 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:40:59pm

re: #449 Ford_Prefect

I don't know, but I think someone said on an earlier thread that they are kinda salty.

//


That was white people

457 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:41:00pm

re: #441 vapig

Since they came from the same place, does it matter?

They make a big distinction. When the first prisoners from England arrived at the Botany Bay Colony (Australia). They have P.O.M.E. stenciled on the backs of their prison outfits. "Prisoner Of Mother England". I have an Australian friends that says it's the people back in the UK that are POME's now -stuck there

458 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:41:07pm

re: #445 father_of_10

I want a sign in my restaurant (if I had one) that says: We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone.

Heh. And if it were a seafood restaurant, you'd specifically serve the Wretched Refuse of your Teeming Shore.

459 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:41:20pm

re: #444 MagnaniomousCoward

Wow! That's really messed up!

460 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:41:33pm

re: #424 opnion

The Chicago Public Schools model will soon be available everywhere.

When I taught in the most dangerous school in NY, and I did, it occurred to me that if a student wanted to they could get an individually tutored education in a really bad school. It could be like Oxford University. There are very few students in the classroom, the teachers mostly know something about their subjects and are depressed about never getting to really teach and finally many of the students are perfectly capable immigrants with a background from another society where education is respected.

461 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:41:46pm

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

Hey FVB, update. I went to the store, had a list of some of the items that you and the Lizards recommended. Well, forget it. I stuck with my standard canned veggies and frozen veggies.

A RED PEPPER at 2.29 each. Grapes 3.00 a pound. And I could go on.

I got 5 pounds of frozen vegetables, cali, pepper mix, brocoli, stir fry for 1 dollar a pound bag.

Thanks for the tips, but I can't afford to be anything but a bottom shelf veggie eater.

takes a lot of money to eat healthy

462 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:41:52pm

re: #410 MandyManners

That puffs my cocoas.

That's just cukoo.

463 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:41:59pm

re: #447 MandyManners

What if the restaurant refuses to serve black people?

Then you should look for other items on the menu.

(Not white people, though, apparently we're too salty.)

464 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:17pm

re: #447 MandyManners

The person refused service can sue, if they like. But if that sign is there, well...

I don't like it, either.

465 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:20pm

Five, minutes all I ask is five minutes alone...

Child Writes to Santa, Asks for Molestation to End

*spit*
[deleted]
*spit*

466 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:29pm

re: #328 rawmuse

For starters, they will put their money some places that has a return, or at least, does not have a negative return. Provided, of course, that such a place exists, and even that is now doubtful.

There are good companies and good products available that eliminate downside market risk. The challenge is to know how to research the companies and identify them - the primary rating system is no longer reliable - Enron was A rated.

And then match the appropriate product/s with the investors desired outcome.

467 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:30pm

re: #441 vapig

Since they came from the same place, does it matter?

It matters if one group came via Botany Bay.

/with the exception of the settlers of South Australia, of course

468 ellcon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:32pm

It's good to know our central economic overlords at the Federal Reserve can't give away all the money they are printing without doing so for 0%.

469 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:33pm

re: #444 MagnaniomousCoward

U.S. Court rules Orthodox Jews cannot use the same tax deductions as Scientologists


Seems to me to be a bit of catch 22. If they don't extend the deduction to all religions, but let Scientology keep it, it does seem to establish Scientology as a state religion though...

"Jewish day school" as in not an educational institution but a religious institution? In that case it would seem appropriate to eliminate the tax deduction from Scientology as well. It would make sense.

470 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:34pm

re: #436 turn

Me thinks n2 really know his s@#$ ...

I do too, but I still think we are getting royally screwed by big money interest, and all of "N@'s" knowledge won't help most people squat, because we really are fucked.

471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:41pm

re: #447 MandyManners

There was a Thai restaurant in Florida, black couple was given their check...gratuity was added. Man goes to white guy who was just given his check asks if the tip was added. Was not.

Goes to manager, asks about it...manager says, "Black people don't tip, so we add it."

Notice I began the story with "There was a Thai restaurant..."

472 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:42:56pm

re: #452 buzzsawmonkey

If enough of the restaurant's supplies, or customers, are from out of state, the Interstate Commerce Clause will be invoked to nail the restaurant.

Yes, and it's ridiculous.

473 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:43:08pm

re: #447 MandyManners

What if the restaurant refuses to serve black people?

I call strawman!

474 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:43:12pm

re: #423 turn

I meant credit will flow. Maybe, just maybe, we'll see Obama extend the 2001 tax cuts that are set to expire. Other than that, probably no bailout for most of us.

475 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:43:22pm

re: #464 Dianna

I think that it's illegal though to refuse service to someone because of their service dog. I could be wrong.

476 beblebrox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:43:33pm

re: #462 Honorary Yooper

That's just cukoo.

This just Smacks of silliness.

477 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:43:52pm

re: #449 Ford_Prefect

*whack*

478 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:43:56pm

re: #444 MagnaniomousCoward

U.S. Court rules Orthodox Jews cannot use the same tax deductions as Scientologists


Seems to me to be a bit of catch 22. If they don't extend the deduction to all religions, but let Scientology keep it, it does seem to establish Scientology as a state religion though...

A hole the size of a truck that the Islamists will drive through. Just watch.

479 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Be sure to give us a link when it comes out. I will give it a listen.
I am bored lately. Everything bores me.
It must be a symptom of something, but I know not what.
Lately I have been listening to Pink Martini.
But I have no idea why. Maybe I need a lift.

480 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:44:10pm

BBIAB got to get stuff out of the clothes dryer.

481 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:44:12pm

re: #388 n2stox

Wow, did I say you knew your stuff? Thanks!

This fits right in with what I was hoping, didn't want to deal with it until after the new year (I hate doing stuff like this).

I was thinking about going to Wells since they hold my equity line of credit and they are pretty stable, right?

I'm a bit confused about the Freddie/Fannie stuff. Do they have the lowest rates or will Wells be able to compete?

482 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:44:15pm

re: #462 Honorary Yooper

That's just cukoo.

No, it's SHREDDED!

483 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:44:44pm

re: #465 jcm

Five, minutes all I ask is five minutes alone...

Child Writes to Santa, Asks for Molestation to End

*spit*
[deleted]
*spit*

His bond was set at $100,000

That should have been $100,000,000.

Merry F-ing Christmas *sshole!

484 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:44:53pm

re: #465 jcm

Good they got that MoFo. Poor children.

485 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:01pm

re: #454 WriterMom

That raises some interesting issues.

Unfortunate, isn't it?

Me? My first reaction would be to open a better, cheaper restaurant right next door. But I don't regard suing as the way to fix things, either.

486 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:02pm

re: #465 jcm

Five, minutes all I ask is five minutes alone...

Child Writes to Santa, Asks for Molestation to End

*spit*
[deleted]
*spit*

Scum deserves a barbed hook, rope and a cliff.

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:05pm

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

I just told you to get what you liked. Funny, I too just went to the grocery store, the "Vegetarian Meat Substitutes" I was talking about, are amazingly expensive.

Don't know if is because they know I'll buy the stuff, or if it is because it is expensive to make, or that they just don't sell a huge volume. Perhaps a combination of the three...but damn! that stuff's expensive.

488 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:07pm

re: #473 vapig

I call strawman!

Aren't race and disability protected classes?

489 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:07pm

re: #467 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It matters if one group came via Botany Bay.

/with the exception of the settlers of South Australia, of course

Well, the Brits were dumping their thugs on us too, once upon a time. We kindly asked them to stop and they did.

490 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:17pm

re: #482 father_of_10

No, it's SHREDDED!

Don't be so impatient! Just weetabix, and I'm sure there will be more puns forthcoming.

491 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:17pm
492 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:19pm

re: #330 father_of_10

No matter what the issue is it is still Bush's fault.

From KOS

* bobswern's diary :: ::
*

Of course, it's easy to blame Madoff. And, I'd like nothing more than for this guy to be taken out back and shot. But, I have to ask: What about the total lack of regulatory supervision that occurred as far as all of this was concerned? The extent to which our markets have gone completely unsupervised under the Bush Administration is beyond the pale! (I'll save that rant for another time. And, despite the title of this diary, the reality is that Bernie Madoff now belongs on the list of "All-time Progressive Enemies;" but George W. Bush still lays claim to the top spot on it.)

Even though Madoff is a big-time Democrat donor and most of the clients he ripped off are big-time Democrat donors, it's still a "Booosh/RepubliKKKan" scandal.

Nice little alternate universe the "reality-based community" lives in.

493 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:24pm

re: #483 Ford_Prefect

That should have been $100,000,000.

Merry F-ing Christmas *sshole!

We should turn him over to the same Iraqi cops that "handled" Mr. Shoes

494 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:33pm

re: #477 MandyManners

*whack*

Oh, Mandy. You're such a tease. ;-)

495 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:45:43pm

re: #465 jcm

Five, minutes all I ask is five minutes alone...

Child Writes to Santa, Asks for Molestation to End

*spit*
[deleted]
*spit*

I'd need less than 1.

496 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:22pm

re: #464 Dianna

The person refused service can sue, if they like. But if that sign is there, well...

I don't like it, either.

Well, if they tried it against a person with a service animal, ADA can be used against them easily. The Civil Rights Act can be used against them if they refuse to serve Blacks (and has been used against restaurants in the past).

497 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:27pm
498 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:30pm

re: #473 vapig

I call strawman!

Nope, it's a legitimate question.

499 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:32pm

re: #389 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Like I said, he's not hurting for cash without Madonna. A-Rod's roughly my age & he's probably wanted to bang Madonna since he was in junior high & now he can. The cosmic ballet goes on.

Oh an infatuation sort of romance, got laid and the honeymoon is over. I guess you could say he got a bang for her buck. Ha!

500 beblebrox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:37pm

re: #490 Occasional Reader

Don't be so impatient! Just weetabix, and I'm sure there will be more puns forthcoming.

It's ok. the worst of them seem to come in Clusters.

501 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:51pm

re: #485 Dianna

Indeed. But like I said-I think there is some kind of law about not being able to discriminate against people who use service animals-remember all that stuff in MN with the taxi drivers refusing blind customers with guide dogs?

502 opinionated  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:52pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Blind man turned away from Indian restaurant after owner says guide dog is against his Muslim beliefs

What if the blind man threatened the Muslim owner to return with a Jew as a guide.

503 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:53pm

re: #481 turn

OT - Speaking of Wells my brother-in-law lost his job over the weekend at goldman sachs and is hoping to return to his job at Wells. Until then he's got 5 month's severance. My brother who also recently lost his job found a 3 month contract job in case you were wondering.

504 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:46:55pm

re: #488 MandyManners

Aren't race and disability protected classes?

Which is exactly why I called strawman!

505 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:02pm

Claim: Rahm Emanuel on 21 Different Calls with Blago About Senate Seat, All Taped by the Feds

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Maybe he was just inquiring about the availability of Bears 50 yard line seats?

506 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:14pm

re: #478 lifeofthemind

A hole the size of a truck that the Islamists will drive through. Just watch.

Then the truck explodes.

507 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:15pm

re: #493 Desert Dog

We should turn him over to the same Iraqi cops that "handled" Mr. Shoes

No, they would just say that he has to marry them.

508 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:21pm

re: #485 Dianna

My first reaction would be to open a better, cheaper restaurant right next door.

Cost of entry, etc.

I don't know. I have a strong libertarian streak, but this is an area in which I'm not sure that the market solves the problem. It was not all that long ago in our country that black people had to plan ahead carefully for long road trips, because they had to count on being refused service in many hotels and restaurants along the way.

Off to a meeting...

509 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:31pm

re: #475 WriterMom

I think that it's illegal though to refuse service to someone because of their service dog. I could be wrong.

I don't know, either; but I strongly suspect that such a law only applies to state facilities.

510 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:39pm

ADA anyone?

511 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:40pm

re: #496 Honorary Yooper

Well, if they tried it against a person with a service animal, ADA can be used against them easily. The Civil Rights Act can be used against them if they refuse to serve Blacks (and has been used against restaurants in the past).

It was across the pond I think

512 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:43pm

re: #460 lifeofthemind

When I taught in the most dangerous school in NY, and I did, it occurred to me that if a student wanted to they could get an individually tutored education in a really bad school. It could be like Oxford University. There are very few students in the classroom, the teachers mostly know something about their subjects and are depressed about never getting to really teach and finally many of the students are perfectly capable immigrants with a background from another society where education is respected.

That sounds different than Chicago. Many Chicago school teachers are semi-literate & particularly unqualified in the subject that they teach.
A preference in hiring is extended to grads of Chicago State University which has terrible reputation.
The union cracks the whip & the goal of most teachers is to get out of the classroom either as an administrator or a principal.

513 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:45pm

re: #490 Occasional Reader

Don't be so impatient! Just weetabix, and I'm sure there will be more puns forthcoming.

What? Are puns going to be a Special Klearance item at the store?

514 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:47:46pm

re: #505 Nevergiveup

Claim: Rahm Emanuel on 21 Different Calls with Blago About Senate Seat, All Taped by the Feds

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Maybe he was just inquiring about the availability of Bears 50 yard line seats?

Or, he was checking to see how high the bidding was

515 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:48:08pm

re: #498 Dianna

Nope, it's a legitimate question.

No - it's not. It's illegal.

516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:48:14pm

re: #479 rawmuse

Have you heard Pink Martini's "Que Sera Sera"? I find it to an amazingly odd/bold/smart/brave remake.

Odd (meaning bad, home made video), but the song's here...

517 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:48:17pm

The DOW is up 359, the S&P 500 up 41 and oil is down to $43.93

The discount rate has dropped to near zero. You can basically borrow money for free from the Fed discount window. That means that if you qualify as a bank and can borrow from the Fed window, you can then loan it out at whatever you want and almost all of it is gravy. It's like having a printing press for a bank.

I'm trying to figure out how to get myself considered a bank( and I don't mean the bank of Dad that my kids think I am).

Get ready for inflation late next year.

518 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:48:20pm

re: #488 MandyManners

Aren't race and disability protected classes?

One cannot choose to serve people based on race or disability.

519 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:48:57pm

re: #496 Honorary Yooper

Well, if they tried it against a person with a service animal, ADA can be used against them easily. The Civil Rights Act can be used against them if they refuse to serve Blacks (and has been used against restaurants in the past).

And that is ridiculous. Applied to a chain like Denny's, I guess it makes some sort of sense, but I'm not sure how.

And when ADA runs into somebody's religious beliefs? Who gives way, then?

520 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:49:00pm

re: #510 MandyManners

ADA anyone?

Yes, but my area has nothing to do with guide dogs.

521 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:49:09pm

NO SMORES PUNS!

522 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:00pm

john walsh no one should have the pain he has had. my g-d bless his soul

523 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:02pm

re: #489 vapig

Well, the Brits were dumping their thugs on us too, once upon a time. We kindly asked them to stop and they did.

That's how my ancestors got to the then-new colony of Georgia -- "scummed" out of debtors prison -- indentured servitude.

/speaking of which, why don't I try getting reparations from yma?! WHEE!

524 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:03pm

re: #483 Ford_Prefect

That should have been $100,000,000.

Merry F-ing Christmas *sshole!

Have a similar case close to home, foster parents in our support group had a six year old foster child tell the foster parents she wrote secrets in their diary, and what page the secrets were on, the diary was then left on the bed. The foster parents, being goods ones. took this as hint to look.

The "secret" was about sexual abuse by the father, to that point the case had only been about neglect not abuse.

525 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:04pm

re: #501 WriterMom

Indeed. But like I said-I think there is some kind of law about not being able to discriminate against people who use service animals-remember all that stuff in MN with the taxi drivers refusing blind customers with guide dogs?

Americans with Disabilities Act.

526 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:08pm

re: #475 WriterMom

I think that it's illegal though to refuse service to someone because of their service dog. I could be wrong.

Yes it is and comes with some significant fines as well. You are right.

527 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:14pm

re: #516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, that is quirky. I think it has something to do with the contrast of a happy song being made about/during a very unhappy time. Thus the unsettling re-harmonization.

528 beblebrox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:19pm

re: #513 father_of_10

What? Are puns going to be a Special Klearance item at the store?

no, but they're being bandied about more often than Lucky Charms at a witch doctor's convention.

529 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:33pm

re: #501 WriterMom

I think taxis are different.

I really find this to be nuts, and pretty much self-punishing.

530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:36pm

re: #520 bosforus

Anybody know the joke about the chihuahua seeing eye dog? I can't remember it. Buzz?

531 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:37pm

re: #518 Honorary Yooper

One cannot choose to serve people based on race or disability.


If you accept business from the general public. If you are a "Private" institution such as some clubs, then you may be able to.

532 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:46pm

re: #506 Ben Hur

Then the truck explodes.

Not that metaphorically blowing up the IRS isn't a bad idea.

533 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:51pm

re: #465 jcm

Five, minutes all I ask is five minutes alone...

Child Writes to Santa, Asks for Molestation to End

*spit*
[deleted]
*spit*

You know I'm not even going to go there, things are already too depressing for me this day and age.

534 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:52pm

re: #500 beblebrox

is a Cluster pun anything like a Cluster f...?

535 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:56pm

re: #511 Nevergiveup

It was across the pond I think

I missed the exact story. But if it was across the pond, what was it? Some Brit refusing to serve muslims? Not likely. Or was it muslims refusing to serve infidels? If so, the infidel has no recourse.

536 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:50:57pm

re: #465 jcm

Five, minutes all I ask is five minutes alone...

Child Writes to Santa, Asks for Molestation to End

*spit*
[deleted]
*spit*

I'll say it: This piece of shit and all others like him deserve to die - slowly and painfully.

537 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:01pm
538 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:01pm
539 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:02pm

re: #517 3 wood

The DOW is up 359, the S&P 500 up 41 and oil is down to $43.93

The discount rate has dropped to near zero. You can basically borrow money for free from the Fed discount window. That means that if you qualify as a bank and can borrow from the Fed window, you can then loan it out at whatever you want and almost all of it is gravy. It's like having a printing press for a bank.

I'm trying to figure out how to get myself considered a bank( and I don't mean the bank of Dad that my kids think I am).

Get ready for inflation late next year.

But try getting a loan right now. No one is lending. I tried to get some rental property refinanced and and the bank said to wait, things are still too tight. If the banks would loosen up and loan some $$ out on real estate at about 3%, things would move right along. they don't want to because they are waiting for some more inflation too. IMHO

540 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:07pm

re: #517 3 wood

The DOW is up 359, the S&P 500 up 41 and oil is down to $43.93

The discount rate has dropped to near zero. You can basically borrow money for free from the Fed discount window. That means that if you qualify as a bank and can borrow from the Fed window, you can then loan it out at whatever you want and almost all of it is gravy. It's like having a printing press for a bank.

I'm trying to figure out how to get myself considered a bank( and I don't mean the bank of Dad that my kids think I am).

Up ding for the updates 3 wood. Keep em coming.

Get ready for inflation late next year.

541 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:19pm

re: #519 Dianna

And that is ridiculous. Applied to a chain like Denny's, I guess it makes some sort of sense, but I'm not sure how.

And when ADA runs into somebody's religious beliefs? Who gives way, then?

Usually the religious beliefs must give way, IIRC.

542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:22pm

re: #527 rawmuse

Had you heard it?

543 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:28pm

re: #466 Bobibutu

I have some Enron in my portfolio, yes.
That is because I am really eeevil. :)

544 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:32pm

re: #530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody know the joke about the chihuahua seeing eye dog? I can't remember it. Buzz?

No, but it probably involves several knots on someone's forehead.

545 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:44pm

re: #535 vapig

I missed the exact story. But if it was across the pond, what was it? Some Brit refusing to serve muslims? Not likely. Or was it muslims refusing to serve infidels? If so, the infidel has no recourse.

Muslims refusing to serve an infidel with a dog.

546 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:48pm
547 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:51:49pm

re: #520 bosforus

Yes, but my area has nothing to do with guide dogs.

[Link: www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov...]

548 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:52:03pm

re: #522 yochanan

john walsh no one should have the pain he has had. my g-d bless his soul

Got nothing but respect for the man. He took a tragedy and ended up helping a lot of people thru it. Not many people would be able to do the same.

549 beblebrox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:52:09pm

re: #534 yochanan

is a Cluster pun anything like a Cluster f...?

Only on Tuesdays at night.

550 Irish Rose  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:52:13pm

As we have an open thread here, I wonder if some of you might not be willing to give me feedback on #320, on the "Islamic Law Biased Against Women" thread.

I don't want to be unfairly critical, but I'm concerned about a 'fundraiser' that I read about this morning over at JW. Something about it just doesn't sit right with me, and I'm wondering if anyone else feels the same way.

551 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:52:15pm

re: #521 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NO SMORES PUNS!

Why? Aren't they mueslix to your ears?

552 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:52:16pm

re: #523 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's how my ancestors got to the then-new colony of Georgia -- "scummed" out of debtors prison -- indentured servitude.

/speaking of which, why don't I try getting reparations from yma?! WHEE!


Is that what they call white slaves these days?

553 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:52:30pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes, I have the CD.

554 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:52:49pm

re: #515 vapig

No - it's not. It's illegal.

I find certain things to be absolutely ridiculous. If a business owner wants to exclude some group, I don't have to like it, but I believe that the owner has that right.

Of course, I won't buy from that business, and I'll make sure everyone I know knows the facts. Some people will be off my Christmas card list, but that's the breaks.

I regard bigotry as self-punishing.

555 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:52:53pm

re: #519 Dianna

And that is ridiculous. Applied to a chain like Denny's, I guess it makes some sort of sense, but I'm not sure how.

And when ADA runs into somebody's religious beliefs? Who gives way, then?

Everybody's but islam. Islam trumps all.

{I'd use the sarc tag exept it's not altogether untrue}

556 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:53:08pm

re: #519 Dianna

And that is ridiculous. Applied to a chain like Denny's, I guess it makes some sort of sense, but I'm not sure how.

And when ADA runs into somebody's religious beliefs? Who gives way, then?


ADA compliant foot baths?

557 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:53:20pm

re: #505 Nevergiveup

Claim: Rahm Emanuel on 21 Different Calls with Blago About Senate Seat, All Taped by the Feds

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Maybe he was just inquiring about the availability of Bears 50 yard line seats?

Hah. No one is concerned with seeing the Bears play.

558 astronmr20  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:53:23pm

'taint no more morning remnants left.

559 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:53:29pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

See 474, we are. We don't get squat except empty 401k's and another 10 years before retirement.

560 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:53:42pm

re: #475 WriterMom

A: Under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), privately owned businesses that serve the public, such as restaurants, hotels, retail stores, taxicabs, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities, are prohibited from discriminating against individuals with disabilities. The ADA requires these businesses to allow people with disabilities to bring their service animals onto business premises in whatever areas customers are generally allowed.

561 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:54:03pm

Leave the puns to the professionals.

562 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:54:05pm

Hey, will everybody stop and let me catch up?

563 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:54:12pm

re: #537 MandyManners

Public accomodation.

[Link: www.ct.gov...]

Most if not all states have this in force and there are Fed regs as well.

564 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:54:29pm

re: #531 Nevergiveup

If you accept business from the general public. If you are a "Private" institution such as some clubs, then you may be able to.

Exactly. However, if said "private" club offers services to the general public, they must serve equally. IIRC, there was a Krewe in New Orleans that stopped parading due to their unwillingness to integrate because the parades were seen as a public service.

565 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:54:46pm

re: #545 Nevergiveup

Muslims refusing to serve an infidel with a dog.

HA! I KNEW it!

Infidel is screwed!

566 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:54:49pm

465 jcm

Child Writes to Santa, Asks for Molestation to End

The good news is the child's teacher acted & the man was arrested. May he rot in jail.

567 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:54:51pm

re: #465 jcm

No mercy.

568 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:54:52pm
569 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:55:18pm

Guide pig?
Guide Joo?

We could make a lot of money suing, you know.

570 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:55:35pm

re: #568 buzzsawmonkey

It will be interesting to see how businesses react to my Seeing Eye Komodo Dragon.

My panther doesn't like loud noises.

571 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:55:35pm

re: #568 buzzsawmonkey

It will be interesting to see how businesses react to my Seeing Eye Komodo Dragon.

Or, even scarier - Seeing Eye Lawyer

572 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:55:37pm

re: #558 astronmr20

'taint no more morning remnants left.

Heh. heh, you said "taint."

573 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:56:03pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

The news you read and hear will get worse. However, this is not the 1930s.

Already we're seeing the market react well to news that would be construed as bad. GE announced horrible news for 2009, stock went up 10%. Caterpillar, same thing. What this tells me is that expectations are far too low. Remember expectations for tech stocks in 1999? Well, reverse that mentality and that's what I'm talking about.

1999, Cisco at 82, Oracle at 50, Sun Micro at $250 (split adjusted). They could do no wrong, or so we were told. Reverse that thinking, and that's what you have today.

There are problems, and the numbers are bigger, but the mentality is the same.

Look at Harford Insurance. A while back, they bought Safeco for $6 billion, and 2 weeks ago, the whole company is valued at just over $1 billion. Their revenue this year will be $14 billion. These numbers don't work, but the stock went from $87 to $4 anyway. Then, they announce their expectations for 2009, and 2 weeks later here we are at $16+. A quadrupling.

So, things will get a bit worse in the economy, but markets are already telling us that expectations are way overdone to the downside, just like they were way overdone to the upside not that long ago.

574 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:56:34pm

re: #571 Desert Dog

Or, even scarier - Seeing Eye Lawyer

You win!

575 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:56:37pm

re: #546 Wyatt Earp

I have to stop answering the phone at work . . .

Back before 911 my department dispatched our own calls.
The emergency number was[no phone numbers allowed]
The Bon Marche number was[no phone numbers allowed]

I can't tell you how many calls went like this.

RING!
Dispatcher: Fire Dept. Emergency, what is your emergency?
Caller: Is this the Bon Marche?
Dispatcher: This is Fire Dept. Emergency, what is your emergency?
Caller: Can you connect me to womens wear?
Dispatcher: This is the Fire Department emergency number, DO YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY?

576 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:57:04pm

re: #568 buzzsawmonkey

It will be interesting to see how businesses react to my Seeing Eye Komodo Dragon.

And at almost every restaurant I eat at, I always take the lizard out at least once for a walk to the facilities.

577 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:57:07pm

re: #512 opnion

That sounds different than Chicago. Many Chicago school teachers are semi-literate & particularly unqualified in the subject that they teach.
A preference in hiring is extended to grads of Chicago State University which has terrible reputation.
The union cracks the whip & the goal of most teachers is to get out of the classroom either as an administrator or a principal.

Most teachers were lazy hacks even where I was but if the union and the administration allowed it progress could have been made. The problem is that they do not want to Fail people, they want to string them along until the Federal money arrives then pass them on to Summer school and rubber stamp as many as possible.

Chicago State should be closed.

The difference between a Teacher and an Educator is that a Teacher teaches and an Educator sits behind a desk and plays with paper and telephones,

578 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:57:08pm

re: #572 Wyatt Earp

Heh. heh, you said "taint."

Say it tain't so!

579 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:57:28pm

re: #552 Ben Hur

Is that what they call white slaves these days?

Don't know, but it was one name used back in the 1700's.

580 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:57:42pm

re: #575 jcm

Back before 911 my department dispatched our own calls.
The emergency number was[no phone numbers allowed]
The Bon Marche number was[no phone numbers allowed]

I can't tell you how many calls went like this.

RING!
Dispatcher: Fire Dept. Emergency, what is your emergency?
Caller: Is this the Bon Marche?
Dispatcher: This is Fire Dept. Emergency, what is your emergency?
Caller: Can you connect me to womens wear?
Dispatcher: This is the Fire Department emergency number, DO YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY?

No phone number filter, the prefix was one digit different.

581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:57:51pm

re: #544 bosforus

See if this is right...

Two guys are walking their dogs, one dog's a Labrador, one's a Chihuahua. Want to stop in at a bar, First guy puts on sunglasses and goes in. Bartender says, hey, you can't bring a dog in here!" Guy says, "This is my seeing eye dog." Bartender says "Okay, then."

Second guy puts sunglasses on and goes in. Bartender says, you can't bring a dog in here!" Guy says "This is my seeing eye dog." Bartender says, "What? A chihuahua as a seeing eye dog?"

The guys starts feeling for the end of the leash, says, "What? They sold me a chihuahua?!"

Old Buddy Hackett joke.

582 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:58:00pm

re: #550 Irish Rose

As we have an open thread here, I wonder if some of you might not be willing to give me feedback on #320, on the "Islamic Law Biased Against Women" thread.

I don't want to be unfairly critical, but I'm concerned about a 'fundraiser' that I read about this morning over at JW. Something about it just doesn't sit right with me, and I'm wondering if anyone else feels the same way.

What "fundraiser" is this? Details?

583 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:58:06pm

re: #503 bosforus

turnspawn was a teller at Wells when he was going to college, good company from what I can tell. Sorry about the layoff news (actually I'm hoping to refi before I might loose my job) no sarc tag, ha! or happy face on that.

584 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:58:17pm

should we give virtual pajama grams to all the lizzardettes?

585 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:58:32pm

re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just told you to get what you liked. Funny, I too just went to the grocery store, the "Vegetarian Meat Substitutes" I was talking about, are amazingly expensive.

Don't know if is because they know I'll buy the stuff, or if it is because it is expensive to make, or that they just don't sell a huge volume. Perhaps a combination of the three...but damn! that stuff's expensive.

Oh, I looked at the meat substitutes, and there was a application for a federal bailout that came with each box.

Forget it.

586 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:58:52pm

re: #566 Kenneth

465 jcm

The good news is the child's teacher acted & the man was arrested. May he rot in jail.

Most states Teachers, medically professionals etc... are Required to Report. It's a felony to have knowledge of abuse and not report.

587 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:59:02pm

New Danish Book Draws Jihadist Ire

It is an equation becoming all too familiar. A new book released in Europe contains essays critical of Islam and illustrations of the Prophet Mohammed. In response, some are calling for blood.

Danish journalist Lars Hedegaard's book Groft Sagt (Rough Talk), was released in Denmark Monday. It is a collection of about 100 of his favorite newspaper columns from a Copenhagen daily. Many of the columns are critical of Islam. In addition, the book features 26 new illustrations from Kurt Westergaard, whose drawings of the Prophet Mohammed in the newspaper Jyllands Posten in 2005 sparked a wave of violent protests.

An Israeli security center is sounding the alarm about calls for a violent backlash after noticing a series of incendiary posts on jihadist web sites. According to an International Institute for Counter-Terrorism (ICT) release, someone identifying himself as Abu Salem posted comments about Hedegaard's book on a website called Hanein, "a mouthpiece for Al-Qaeda and other jihad organizations":

"Abu Salem requests that all who love the Prophet Muhammad help spread the news of the upcoming publication and notify religious leaders of what ‘these pigs' are attempting to do. One forum visitor responded to the post, suggesting that Bin Laden attack Copenhagen, repeating the call: ‘Bin Laden, Copenhagen!' several times. Another forum visitor wrote: ‘Our blood... our souls... our children... our money... all that we have... the entire world… anything so that a single hair of your distinguished head [i.e. Muhammad] is not harmed.'"


Irrre!

588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:59:07pm

re: #553 rawmuse

Ooooh. I thought you were cool. Now I have proof!

589 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:59:29pm

re: #575 jcm

Back before 911 my department dispatched our own calls.
The emergency number was[no phone numbers allowed]
The Bon Marche number was[no phone numbers allowed]

I can't tell you how many calls went like this.

RING!
Dispatcher: Fire Dept. Emergency, what is your emergency?
Caller: Is this the Bon Marche?
Dispatcher: This is Fire Dept. Emergency, what is your emergency?
Caller: Can you connect me to womens wear?
Dispatcher: This is the Fire Department emergency number, DO YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY?

When I was stationed at Camp Lejeune, I was temporarily assigned to the MPs for a few months. Our office phone number was one digit off from the base golf course. I can't tell you how many tee times we scheduled.

590 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:59:38pm

re: #587 Ben Hur

New Danish Book Draws Jihadist Ire


Irrre!

Muslim pirate?

591 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 12:59:47pm

re: #517 3 wood

Time to refinance! Sort of good news for turn ...

592 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:08pm

Dow up 371

S&P 500 up 44

593 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:10pm

re: #584 yochanan

should we give virtual pajama grams to all the lizzardettes?

What's a pajama gram?

594 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:11pm

re: #539 father_of_10

And, don't forget, depending on your level of equity, a bank doesn't want to loan on an asset that might drop another 20% in value. They might get stuck holding it, which is why banks are writing down billions on their balance sheets.

I would imagine that that bank might have overexposure to that type of property or property in that area and they don't want anymore if they are forecasting a deteriorating pricing environment.

I'd try another bank, maybe one out of the area.

595 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:17pm

re: #590 Creeping Eruption

Muslim pirate?

That Arrrgh..."Ire" is when you take off your shoe and toss it at the President

596 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:23pm
597 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:33pm
598 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:43pm

re: #577 lifeofthemind

my highschool college track was harder than some of the jr colleges in chicago.

599 astronmr20  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:53pm

re: #590 Creeping Eruption

Muslim pirate?

D'aaar

600 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:53pm

re: #593 monkeytime

What's a pajama gram?

About $200, but I know a guy downtown...oh wait, never mind

601 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:56pm

re: #589 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When I was stationed at Camp Lejeune, I was temporarily assigned to the MPs for a few months. Our office phone number was one digit off from the base golf course. I can't tell you how many tee times we scheduled.

Did you actually schedule tees times?

How many people at Camp Lejune wonder what happen to their tee time?

LOL!

602 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:00:58pm

re: #595 Desert Dog

That Arrrgh..."Ire" is when you take off your shoe and toss it at the President

Ahhh... Thanks for clearing that up.

603 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:01:00pm

re: #465 jcm

Five, minutes all I ask is five minutes alone...

Child Writes to Santa, Asks for Molestation to End

*spit*
[deleted]
*spit*


Should have his dick cut off and stuffed down his throat. 99 years in prison is too good for the SOB.

604 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:01:09pm

Israeli UAVs to fly in Afghanistan

It plays a vital role in IDF operations in the Gaza Strip and in southern Lebanon, and in February the Heron Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) will make its debut in Afghanistan as the main surveillance drone for the Canadian Armed Forces, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

Slideshow: Pictures of the week Last month, Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) supplied a number of Heron UAVs to the Canadian military for operations in Afghanistan. The Heron will replace a small French-built UAV that Canada has been operating in Afghanistan for several years.

Ire!

605 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:01:10pm

re: #469 bosforus

"Jewish day school" as in not an educational institution but a religious institution? In that case it would seem appropriate to eliminate the tax deduction from Scientology as well. It would make sense.

They were trying to deduct only the religious part of their children's Jewish education.

It's tough with Scientology since their religion is all about the courses and psychiatry stuff that they do to each other. They started doing weddings and other "services" in later years, and for a while their managers even wore clerical collars.

re: #478 lifeofthemind

A hole the size of a truck that the Islamists will drive through. Just watch.


Yeah I thought this too. While the Scientologists can force the issue with their lawyers and famous blackmail campaigns, Islamists can just caugh and say "nice lack of riots in the Middle East we are having, we wouldn't want that to change, would we?"

And in Scientology and Islam both it's pretty hard to separate the political from the spiritual - ruling politically is the goal of both, if I understand correctly.

606 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:01:17pm

re: #522 yochanan

john walsh no one should have the pain he has had. my g-d bless his soul

Someone pointed out upthread how he turned that pain into good, what a man!

607 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:01:20pm

re: #534 yochanan

is a Cluster pun anything like a Cluster f...?

almost, just a little less Snap, Crackle, and Pop.

608 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:01:35pm

re: #556 Ben Hur

ADA compliant foot baths?

Actually, that might be an avenue to fight the footbaths. Prove they are ADA compliant or else.

609 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:01:42pm
610 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:01:47pm

re: #502 opinionated

What if the blind man threatened the Muslim owner to return with a Jew as a guide.

I don't think a Jewish Guide would lead someone into a Muslim Restaurant...

611 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:05pm

re: #523 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's how my ancestors got to the then-new colony of Georgia -- "scummed" out of debtors prison -- indentured servitude.

/speaking of which, why don't I try getting reparations from yma?! WHEE!

Heh.

Weren't us Welsh who sent your ancestors there - were the English, and they owe us as well, payback since 1066, b*stards! Building all those castles in our land.
And the French, who sent them here - and the Vikings who started that all (Germans, ay, nothing changes!) - nope, you better get to the back of the queue, in an orderly fashion ...

612 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:06pm

re: #580 jcm

No phone number filter, the prefix was one digit different.

I got the same thing at the Pentagon. We were one digit off an elementary school. I'd answer the phone and the person on the other end would ask if they could talk to their little suzy or johnny.

It always amazed me how many people actually didn't listen to what a person says when they answer the phone.

613 beblebrox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:07pm

I thought it was i're. as in:

"Either I're going to the store or u're going."

614 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:10pm

re: #587 Ben Hur

New Danish Book Draws Jihadist Ire

Jihadist ire? Is the the Islamic version of existential angst?

615 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:25pm

re: #604 Ben Hur

Israeli UAVs to fly in Afghanistan

Ire!

Good training ground. Soon to be flying over Gaza hunting Qassam launchers.

616 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:30pm

re: #588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ooooh. I thought you were cool. Now I have proof!

But I was cool!

617 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:35pm

re: #593 monkeytime

What's a pajama gram?

Would we be crackers not to accept it?

618 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:36pm
619 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:43pm

Franken actually challenged a ballot for "distinguishing mark" because the voter wrote in God for President. The challenge was obviously rejected.

/what an asshole

620 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:46pm

re: #602 Creeping Eruption

Ahhh... Thanks for clearing that up.

We should open up a Famous Footwear store in Iraq, eh? Then advertise in the Daily Jihadi that President Bush will be there for the grand opening!

621 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:02:50pm

re: #593 monkeytime

candy gram
pajama gram

622 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:03:14pm

re: #589 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When I was stationed at Camp Lejeune, I was temporarily assigned to the MPs for a few months. Our office phone number was one digit off from the base golf course. I can't tell you how many tee times we scheduled.

When were you there?

623 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:03:19pm

re: #583 turn

turnspawn was a teller at Wells when he was going to college, good company from what I can tell. Sorry about the layoff news (actually I'm hoping to refi before I might loose my job) no sarc tag, ha! or happy face on that.

My good news for the day was that the contract between my firm and the building I work in remains intact and it includes me, which means at least 7 more months of the company truck for my 80 mile a day commute. Not such a big deal now that gas is down but it saved my wallet over the summer.

624 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:03:31pm

re: #618 buzzsawmonkey

That's not what I usually think of when I hear the phrase "touching Christmas story."

Ain't that the truth.

625 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:03:50pm

re: #608 Honorary Yooper

Actually, that might be an avenue to fight the footbaths. Prove they are ADA compliant or else.

The cab drivers at the Phoenix airport sued the city and now, if you go to the Taxi staging area, there is a brand new shiny foot bath for them...

626 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:04:16pm

OK Lizards, I am off. Have a nice Evening/afternoon. I will hopefully see you all tomorrow. Take care!

627 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:04:49pm

re: #535 vapig

I missed the exact story. But if it was across the pond, what was it? Some Brit refusing to serve muslims? Not likely. Or was it muslims refusing to serve infidels? If so, the infidel has no recourse.

Yes - infidel has, guide dogs are allowed everywhere, by law.
A taxi driver who refused transporting a blind passenger with guide dog in Lonond earlier this year got clobbered.

Disability laws are topping multi-culti 'religious' feelings here.

628 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:04:50pm

re: #517 3 wood

The DOW is up 359, the S&P 500 up 41 and oil is down to $43.93

The discount rate has dropped to near zero. You can basically borrow money for free from the Fed discount window. That means that if you qualify as a bank and can borrow from the Fed window, you can then loan it out at whatever you want and almost all of it is gravy. It's like having a printing press for a bank.

I'm trying to figure out how to get myself considered a bank( and I don't mean the bank of Dad that my kids think I am).

Get ready for inflation late next year.

Obama will crank up the presses?

629 n2stox  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:04:57pm

re: #481 turn

I think if you stick with the household/familiar names, you'll be fine. Most banks have similar rates, you just don't want some fly-by-night huckster showing you a "special loan" that has a bunch of fine print.

Wells is not a "fly-by-night huckster" as far as I can tell. They're one of the biggies that appear to have done a few things correctly this year.

630 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:05:09pm

re: #411 buzzsawmonkey

re: #391 lifeofthemind

Old joke:

Man says to G-d: "G-d, what are a thousand years to You?"
G-d replies, "A thousand years to Me are but a second."
Man says, "G-d, what is a million dollars to You?"
G-d replies, "A million dollars to Me is like a penny."
"G-d," says the man, "Can I have a million dollars penny?"
"Sure," G-d replies. "Just a second."

Fixed it.

631 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:05:11pm

re: #597 buzzsawmonkey

Forget "meat substitutes." Buy tempeh, cut into triangles, fry up in olive oil and garlic with a dash of tamari to add color and saltiness. Nutty, salty, garlicky, proteiny. And even good cold as a snack.

Thanks for the tip, but...

Serving Size 1 cup (166.0 g), Amount Per Serving, Calories 320
Calories from Fat 161

... don't think so.

632 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:05:17pm

re: #611 yma o hyd

*meekly going to the back of the line*

heh!

633 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:05:52pm

re: #604 Ben Hur

Israeli UAVs to fly in Afghanistan

Ire!

Not so IRE for the Taliban

634 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:06:09pm

re: #619 Killian Bundy

Franken actually challenged a ballot for "distinguishing mark" because the voter wrote in God for President. The challenge was obviously rejected.

/what an asshole

Thanks for the link - unbelievable and very painful to watch and listen. Yes Franken=@sshole of infinity and beyond!

635 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:06:24pm

re: #628 debutaunt

Obama will crank up the presses?

That's how Obama plans to pay for his endless programs: print money the Mugabe way!

636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:06:29pm

re: #631 Walter L. Newton

Oh Walter? When you think about asking me for nutrition tips? Look at my nic.

/

637 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:06:43pm

re: #601 jcm

Did you actually schedule tees times?

How many people at Camp Lejune wonder what happen to their tee time?

LOL!

Typical call:

Me: "Provost Marshalls office, Corporal Kragar speaking. How can I help you?"
Caller: "Is this the golf course?"
Me: "...Yes."
Caller: "Can you fit in a tee time around 10:15?"
Me: "I dont see anything on my schedule for that time " (Not a lie, my schedule was wide open)
Caller: "Great, need my name?"
Me: "Nope, we dont need it." (Again, not a lie)
Caller: "Thanks a lot, bye"

My Gunny loved listening in on those calls.

638 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:06pm

Union: Detroit papers plan job cuts, less delivery

Detroit's newspapers plan to cut 9 percent of their work force and offer fewer days of home delivery at a time of slumping revenue industrywide, a union official said Tuesday.

Ding Dong! The MSM is dead. Which old MSM? The Wicked MSM!
Ding Dong! The Wicked MSM is dead.

Buzz, need some help here!

639 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:09pm

re: #625 Desert Dog

The cab drivers at the Phoenix airport sued the city and now, if you go to the Taxi staging area, there is a brand new shiny foot bath for them...

The trick is to up the lawsuit ante. Next step is to sue if they are not compliant with municipal, county, or state codes in any way, shape, or form. The lawsuit game can be played both ways.

640 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:13pm

re: #539 father_of_10

But try getting a loan right now. No one is lending. I tried to get some rental property refinanced and and the bank said to wait, things are still too tight. If the banks would loosen up and loan some $$ out on real estate at about 3%, things would move right along. they don't want to because they are waiting for some more inflation too. IMHO

More inflation?

641 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:25pm

re: #620 Desert Dog

We should open up a Famous Footwear store in Iraq, eh? Then advertise in the Daily Jihadi that President Bush will be there for the grand opening!

Yesterday someone suggested GW send him a nice pair of boots from Texas. Great idea.

642 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:27pm

re: #385 mattm

I'm preparing for the consecutive snow storms that are supposed to hit the north east soon. So much for warming.

Say it aint so! When is this happening? I gotta look at the weather more often!

643 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:28pm

re: #622 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When were you there?

PLEAD THE FIFTH!

644 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:29pm

re: #634 Bobibutu

Thanks for the link - unbelievable and very painful to watch and listen. Yes Franken=@sshole of infinity and beyond!

Franken is so callow and shallow, he'd take fight for a ballot that lists Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck or Goofy

645 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:29pm

re: #611 yma o hyd

Heh.

Weren't us Welsh who sent your ancestors there - were the English, and they owe us as well, payback since 1066, b*stards! Building all those castles in our land.
And the French, who sent them here - and the Vikings who started that all (Germans, ay, nothing changes!) - nope, you better get to the back of the queue, in an orderly fashion ...

Well, you still have Tom Jones. The English have Madonna.

646 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:31pm

re: #5 karmic_inquisitor

Peter Falk has Alzheimer's.

A sad and dark irony there, given his Colombo act.

He's been sadly wack for a couple of years. Love those old Columbos, especially the ones with Patrick McGoohan.

647 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:44pm

re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh Walter? When you think about asking me for nutrition tips? Look at my nic.

/

I really thought your nic was a bit of humor. YOU MEAN IT"S TRUE? ALL OF IT. AAAHHH (runs for cover).

648 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:07:45pm

re: #587 Ben Hur

New Danish Book Draws Jihadist Ire

[snip]

"Abu Salem requests that all who love the Prophet Muhammad help spread the news of the upcoming publication and notify religious leaders of what ‘these pigs' are attempting to do. One forum visitor responded to the post, suggesting that Bin Laden attack Copenhagen, repeating the call: ‘Bin Laden, Copenhagen!' several times. Another forum visitor wrote: ‘Our blood... our souls... our children... our money... all that we have... the entire world… anything so that a single hair of your distinguished head [i.e. Muhammad] is not harmed.'"

Irrre!

Good grief. It IS a cult.

649 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:08:26pm

OK, so, The One has picked the head of schools of Chicago as Ed Sec.

Any world on how he did?

How are the schools in Chicago?

Chicago.
Chicago.
Chicago.
Chicago.

650 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:08:30pm

re: #624 jcm

BTW, I read that article when you posted the link.
Am very deliberately NOT posting my thoughts.
/just sayin' ... now shutting up!

651 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:08:48pm
652 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:09:13pm

re: #634 Bobibutu

Thanks for the link - unbelievable and very painful to watch and listen. Yes Franken=@sshole of infinity and beyond!

Very painful.

/although, so far, there's been less then a handful of rulings that I'd disagree with

653 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:09:14pm

re: #637 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Typical call:

Me: "Provost Marshalls office, Corporal Kragar speaking. How can I help you?"
Caller: "Is this the golf course?"
Me: "...Yes."
Caller: "Can you fit in a tee time around 10:15?"
Me: "I dont see anything on my schedule for that time " (Not a lie, my schedule was wide open)
Caller: "Great, need my name?"
Me: "Nope, we dont need it." (Again, not a lie)
Caller: "Thanks a lot, bye"

My Gunny loved listening in on those calls.

LOL!

I'll bet he had a very hard time not laughing his ass off each time it happened, just as I am. :-)

654 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:09:14pm

re: #625 Desert Dog

The cab drivers at the Phoenix airport sued the city and now, if you go to the Taxi staging area, there is a brand new shiny foot bath for them...

I wish I was flying through there (well, flying through anywhere). Honestly, I would use the foot bath to wash something, anything, damn, if they can, so the fuck can I.

655 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:09:25pm

re: #625 Desert Dog

The cab drivers at the Phoenix airport sued the city and now, if you go to the Taxi staging area, there is a brand new shiny foot bath for them...

I if I claim to be French and mistake it for a pissoir?

656 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:09:27pm

re: #592 3 wood

Dow up 371

S&P 500 up 44

I am really really uncomfortable with this move, and with the Fed's move today.

Moonbat I work with goes on about how another trillion in demand is needed, to restart the economy. Suggesting all these giveaways to the banks, has been wasted money. I don't know that he's wrong.

657 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:09:36pm

re: #621 yochanan

candy gram
pajama gram

Your going to send us lizardettes pajamas? If I don't wear pajamas will you send me chocolate? ;>)

658 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:09:37pm
659 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:09:51pm

re: #654 Walter L. Newton

I wish I was flying through there (well, flying through anywhere). Honestly, I would use the foot bath to wash something, anything, damn, if they can, so the fuck can I.

"...sorry Abu, MY ASS is holy"

660 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:10:16pm

Can anyone explain to me why the White House would have a Chanukkah party this week?

661 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:10:20pm

re: #650 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, I read that article when you posted the link.
Am very deliberately NOT posting my thoughts.
/just sayin' ... now shutting up!

I have to restrain my self...

662 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:10:34pm

re: #658 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe later; I'm in one-liner mode at the moment.

LOL!

663 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:10:47pm

re: #621 yochanan

candy gram
pajama gram

Pajama Gram
Candy Gram

664 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:11:02pm

re: #632 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*meekly going to the back of the line*

heh!

See - that proves that your ancestors came from merry olde England: queueing is genetically fixed in English people ...

665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:11:05pm

re: #637 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Used the answer the phone at my first employer. Had to open with,

"Thank you for calling MY COMPANY NAME, this is FBV. How may I help you?"
Person would say, "Yeah, do y'all have batteries on sale?" (My company obviously did not sell batteries)
I'd say, "1/3 price all day long. Free installation and ten dollar trade in on your old battery."

Wouldn't do that now that star 69 and stuff are around...but had a helluva time back then.

666 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:11:16pm

re: #660 WrathofG-d

Can anyone explain to me why the White House would have a Chanukkah party this week?

Nunchucku?

667 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:11:16pm

re: #625 Desert Dog

The cab drivers at the Phoenix airport sued the city and now, if you go to the Taxi staging area, there is a brand new shiny foot bath for them...

I'll be there in March, coming from muddy and snowy Wisconsin. I'll be sure to wash off my boots before I get into the cab.

668 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:11:43pm

re: #644 Desert Dog

Franken is so callow and shallow, he'd take fight for a ballot that lists Mickey Mouse

There's already been a couple Franken challenges for precisely that.

/you must be watching the play by play

669 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:11:44pm

re: #619 Killian Bundy

Franken actually challenged a ballot for "distinguishing mark" because the voter wrote in God for President. The challenge was obviously rejected.

/what an asshole

I fantasize about taking one of those great big circus bell ringing wooden hammers and smashing the guy right on top of the head and popping those ugly black horn rimmed glasses right off. Even after that he still has that shit ass grin on his face.

670 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:11:49pm

re: #654 Walter L. Newton

I wish I was flying through there (well, flying through anywhere). Honestly, I would use the foot bath to wash something, anything, damn, if they can, so the fuck can I.

I wonder if the foot baths could be mistaken for dog watering stations. (not that I would let my babies drink from there)

671 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:12:11pm

re: #660 WrathofG-d

Can anyone explain to me why the White House would have a Chanukkah party this week?

Who gives a sh*t?

You want a Hanukah party on Hanukah? Go to Jerusalem!

672 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:12:16pm

re: #598 yochanan

A good HS ia always better than a bad Community College. CCs are in two parts, needed vocational training programs with Adult Education are viable but they became jobs programs for unemployed PhDs in the Liberal Arts when they became remedial High School holding pens.

re: #605 MagnaniomousCoward

Both Scientology and Islam depend on having a host society to feed off. Islam's problem is that it expanded so rapidly and was so violent and hostile that killed off or crippled the host. Scientology has not as far as I know aspired to violence or advocated mass anti-Semitism as State policy.

673 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:12:22pm

re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

PLEAD THE FIFTH!

Heh, okay, I was merely curious.
I graduated from CLHS ages ago.
Dad was in the artillery reg't at that time (the 8th?)

674 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:12:43pm

re: #671 Ben Hur

Who gives a sh*t?

You want a Hanukah party on Hanukah? Go to Jerusalem!

I'm sure they will be having the Xmas party in February as well.

675 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:12:49pm

re: #660 WrathofG-d

Can anyone explain to me why the White House would have a Chanukkah party this week?

You think something as irrelevant as accuracy would get in the way of government?

676 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:12:50pm
677 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:12:50pm

re: #612 vapig

I got the same thing at the Pentagon. We were one digit off an elementary school. I'd answer the phone and the person on the other end would ask if they could talk to their little suzy or johnny.

It always amazed me how many people actually didn't listen to what a person says when they answer the phone.

one response - Daves Morgue. "You stab em, we slab em"

678 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:12:50pm

re: #660 WrathofG-d

Can anyone explain to me why the White House would have a Chanukkah party this week?

Because they will be all out of town on December 21?

679 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:13:10pm

re: #671 Ben Hur

Who gives a sh*t?

You want a Hanukah party on Hanukah? Go to Jerusalem!

By the by, you sound a bit hostile...is something up?

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:13:24pm

re: #677 Outrider

one response - Daves Morgue. "You stab em, we slab em"

You kill 'em, we chill 'em!

681 Equable  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:13:33pm

re: #361 Dad O' Blondes

I actually "hate" that this type of crime happens. I know -- really do know -- that if anything even close to this happened to one of the blondes, then Mom O'Blondes would track that cretin down and tear him limb from limb.

I'll tell you what: nothing infuriates me more than the thought of Equable Jr. coming to harm at the hands of an animal. And I can state with every fiber of my being, that if anybody harms him they had better pray that law enforcement gets their hands on him/her before I do.

682 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:13:34pm

re: #644 Desert Dog

Franken is so callow and shallow, he'd take fight for a ballot that lists Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck or Goofy

Just amazing - I'm glad it's available to anyone who wants to watch and get first hand evidence of that.

683 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:13:40pm

re: #655 jcm

I if I claim to be French and mistake it for a pissoir?

You might be charged with public indecency? Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with yours?

684 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:13:45pm

re: #653 Honorary Yooper

LOL!

I'll bet he had a very hard time not laughing his ass off each time it happened, just as I am. :-)

We had a good relationship, still keep in touch. Just reminded me of another time. He would look over to my desk and say something like "Get Adams and Smith in here" I would lean back towards the door and sound off in DI voice, "ADAMS! SMITH! GET IN HERE!" Gunny would just look and say "I could have done that." "But you didn't Gunny."

Good times.

685 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:14:09pm

re: #666 Ben Hur

Nunchucku?

What? No Nutcracker this year?

686 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:14:28pm

re: #680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You kill 'em, we chill 'em!

You slash em', we cash em'.

687 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:14:32pm

re: #592 3 wood

Dow up 371

S&P 500 up 44

Gold up

688 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:14:34pm

re: #586 jcm

Here in Canada, too.

689 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:14:35pm

re: #671 Ben Hur

Who gives a sh*t?

You want a Hanukah party on Hanukah? Go to Jerusalem!

The real honest to goodness answer. It is for all the "BIG" Jewish donors.

690 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:14:42pm

re: #674 WrathofG-d

I'm sure they will be having the Xmas party in February as well.

No.

THat would be AFTER CHRISTmas (effen write it Wrath!).

I've been to 4 CHRISTmas parties already.

Don't overjoo it.

691 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:14:42pm
692 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:14:57pm

re: #665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd love to call a grocery store and ask if they have olive oil in a can. If yes, I'd tell them that they better let her out before Pop Eye found out.

693 astronmr20  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:15:07pm

re: #676 buzzsawmonkey

Because everybody loves a good latke.

And maybe because they have the wrong calendar.

I am off to Grandma's on Saturday. There will be latkes. There will be weight gain.

694 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:15:18pm

re: #679 WrathofG-d

By the by, you sound a bit hostile...is something up?

You've drawn my IRE!

695 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:15:20pm

re: #660 WrathofG-d

Wrath-I got the Chabad Chanukah message today-big deal..and anyway-the White House is under no obligation to have any Chanukah celebration at all...

696 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:15:41pm

re: #637 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Typical call:

Me: "Provost Marshalls office, Corporal Kragar speaking. How can I help you?"
Caller: "Is this the golf course?"
Me: "...Yes."
Caller: "Can you fit in a tee time around 10:15?"
Me: "I dont see anything on my schedule for that time " (Not a lie, my schedule was wide open)
Caller: "Great, need my name?"
Me: "Nope, we dont need it." (Again, not a lie)
Caller: "Thanks a lot, bye"

My Gunny loved listening in on those calls.

And if the voice on the phone introduced itself by saying "This is Colonel Hardass, can you get me and General Gutpuller a tee time this afternoon?" what did you say?

697 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:15:41pm

re: #673 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh, okay, I was merely curious.
I graduated from CLHS ages ago.
Dad was in the artillery reg't at that time (the 8th?)

10th Marines is Arty. I was there 96-02

698 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:15:45pm

re: #660 WrathofG-d

Can anyone explain to me why the White House would have a Chanukkah party this week?

Don't complain. This woul be the last White House Hanukkah party for a long time.

699 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:15:45pm

re: #652 Killian Bundy

Very painful.

/although, so far, there's been less then a handful of rulings that I'd disagree with

Hell of a way to spend money.

700 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:15:52pm

re: #677 Outrider

one response - Daves Morgue. "You stab em, we slab em"

I guess I could've answered: Department of Defense; You paint em, we blow them up...

701 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:16:14pm

re: #623 bosforus

Not high enough up the food chain to get a company car yet, must be executive level. But yeah that must have really helped you out.

702 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:16:16pm

re: #675 bosforus

re: #676 buzzsawmonkey

re: #678 Walter L. Newton

Because they will be all out of town on December 21?

I think "Walter L. Newton" might have actually answered my semi-rhetorical question.

That being said however, it is sure odd to celebrate something before it actually occurs. We wouldn't be having Xmas parties the 1 week of December.

I wonder if someone mentioned it to the White House.

703 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:16:30pm

re: #698 Alouette

YOU SAID IT. It's gonna be a little heavier on the Eid, a little light on the Macabees from now on...

704 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:16:34pm

re: #671 Ben Hur

Who gives a sh*t?

You want a Hanukah party on Hanukah? Go to Jerusalem!

What to people in Jerusalem say during Passover? "Next year, the Upper West Side"?

705 Solomon2  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:16:36pm
“It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.”
- David Ben Gurion, the first Israeli Prime Minister.His words, as printed in the Jewish Chronicle,9 August 1967

Could this quote be true and accurate? I decided to investigate. I discovered that -


A wicked lie exposed: Debunking "Ben-Gurion on Pakistan"

706 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:16:42pm

re: #664 yma o hyd

See - that proves that your ancestors came from merry olde England: queueing is genetically fixed in English people ...

Actually, some were from England, on my mother's side. My family name comes from Scotland -- gutter snipes from Edinburgh.

707 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:16:57pm

re: #696 lifeofthemind

And if the voice on the phone introduced itself by saying "This is Colonel Hardass, can you get me and General Gutpuller a tee time this afternoon?" what did you say?

"Gunny, call for you."

708 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:17:03pm

re: #690 Ben Hur

OverJoo it? LOL.

709 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:17:36pm

re: #690 Ben Hur

No.

THat would be AFTER CHRISTmas (effen write it Wrath!).

I've been to 4 CHRISTmas parties already.

Don't overjoo it.

Not sure how one would "overjoo it", but I'll keep it in mind.

710 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:17:40pm

re: #700 vapig

I guess I could've answered: Department of Defense; You paint em, we blow them up...

It has to rhyme. DOD - you laze 'em, we blaze 'em.

711 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:17:40pm

re: #699 Bobibutu

Hell of a way to spend money.

What can you do?

/some voters are really stupid

712 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:17:56pm

re: #699 Bobibutu

Hell of a way to spend money.

Good god! At least they are doing it out in the open. I still think they should just toss this entire Senatorial race out and start over...I think Coleman would win, which means Franken will never agree to it.

713 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:18:12pm

re: #680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You kill 'em, we chill 'em!

I knew a girl in College who did answer the phone this way:
Barney's abortions
You rape 'em we scrape 'em
No fetus can beat us.

She was ... odd.

714 Mike in Georgia  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:18:25pm

700 comments in 2 hours

715 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:18:34pm

re: #629 n2stox

Thanks again, hey you and 3wood really help us finance clueless lizards out :.)

716 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:18:35pm

re: #677 Outrider

one response - Daves Morgue. "You stab em, we slab em"

I get that all the time, my business line number is apparently very close to a collection agency. I answer the phone clearly " Good Afternoon, XYZ limousine" and the caller starts laying out why they have not paid, or why do they owe, yadda yadda, usually giving me way too much info before I can break in and tell them they are talking to a limo company. Guess they are just happy to hear a human. I get that at least twice a day, and some of them get really mad or rude when I tell them they have the wrong number.

717 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:18:49pm

re: #627 yma o hyd

Wow. Finally something trumping religious 'sensitivity'. Amazing.

718 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:02pm

re: #701 turn

Not high enough up the food chain to get a company car yet, must be executive level. But yeah that must have really helped you out.

Not even close, I'm actually about as low as you can get at an engineering firm, I'm an EIT. I just need to be on site a lot. All over Utah.

719 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:07pm

re: #709 WrathofG-d

Not sure how one would "overjoo it", but I'll keep it in mind.


Ire! I tell you!

720 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:18pm

re: #695 WriterMom

Wrath-I got the Chabad Chanukah message today-big deal..and anyway-the White House is under no obligation to have any Chanukah celebration at all...

I wasn't aware that there was a Chabad newsletter at all, let alone about this subject. I was wondering about it all on my own.

Yes, I am very happy that they have a Chanukkah party at all, they don't have to. (and I wouldn't really be angry if they didn't) I just always find it very very odd when people celebrate things at a time when they haven't occurred. The fact that Chanukkah lasts a week, and thus is easier to schedule around, adds to this feeling.

721 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:19pm

re: #635 Kenneth

That's how Obama plans to pay for his endless programs: print money the Mugabe way!

Quite the genius plan.

722 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:29pm

re: #713 lifeofthemind

That's really effing sick.

723 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:29pm

re: #645 MandyManners

Well, you still have Tom Jones. The English have had Madonna.

Fixed that for you - and good riddance!
We (the Welsh, that is) also have the The manic street Preachers', we had Catatonia and we have the Lost Prophets ...

724 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:36pm

re: #686 Walter L. Newton

You slash em', we cash em'.

Funeral Parlor:

You plug 'em, we plant 'em.

725 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:38pm

re: #691 Desert Dog

Phoenix Airport footbath

That is just wrong.

726 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:19:58pm

re: #710 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It has to rhyme. DOD - you laze 'em, we blaze 'em.

Oh! I likey that! I'll have to pass that along!

727 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:20:09pm

re: #679 WrathofG-d

By the by, you sound a bit hostile...is something up?

Look, I know Jewish families who are big, spread around, I've seen them get together for Hanukkah on days that do not fall with in the 8 days slated by the lunar calender.

Are you saying that all those families shouldn't be doing that. Once again we have a problem here with the meaning of the holiday versus some protocol. Protocol that can't even be historically documented to the tee.

Geeessshhh.

728 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:20:09pm

re: #711 Killian Bundy

What can you do?

/some voters are really stupid

This is quite educational as well when looked at that way.

729 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:20:37pm

re: #704 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Funny. But in Jerusalem, we actually say "Next Year in Jerusalem". And that's a fact!

730 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:20:39pm

Good Afternoon Lizards! Any Chicagoland Lizard driving home tonite PLEASE BE CAREFUL. I stayed in 3rd gear and drove no more than 20 miles an hour on my trek home on surface streets. The Turns were still a dicey.

The snow is accumulating on top of very cold roads and ice. The sky is all white as far as I can see, so once it get's dark, it's not going to be fun.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

731 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:20:42pm

Investigation reveals bus driver had 22 prior traffic offenses and that just minutes before crash he had an argument with another driver. Transportation minister: Crash result of 'aggressive road behavior'

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

And people think the Arabs are our biggest enemies?

732 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:20:47pm

re: #697 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

10th Marines is Arty. I was there 96-02

Omgosh! Subtract about 35 years from that!
*creak*
*groan*
*hobble over to fix another cuppa coffee*
(-:

733 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:20:49pm

re: #680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You kill 'em, we chill 'em!

Daves Meat Market - "You just can't beat our meat"

734 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:21:03pm

re: #718 bosforus

Not even close, I'm actually about as low as you can get at an engineering firm, I'm an EIT. I just need to be on site a lot. All over Utah.

Congrats on being an EIT. How much longer till you can take the PE exam?

735 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:21:05pm

re: #726 vapig

Oh! I likey that! I'll have to pass that along!

With caller id, many times I answer: What the fuck do you want?!(telemarketers). If they don't hang up, I'll string them along.

736 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:21:30pm

re: #712 Desert Dog

Good god! At least they are doing it out in the open. I still think they should just toss this entire Senatorial race out and start over...I think Coleman would win, which means Franken will never agree to it.

Coleman DID win until all the "miracle" ballots started turning up.

737 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:21:36pm

re: #701 turn

But yes, it did help a lot. It sure beat taking the bus three days a week (hour and a half).

738 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:21:42pm

re: #722 WriterMom

That's really effing sick.

Yes she was seriously frightening. My roommate started a relationship with her.

739 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:21:43pm

re: #730 ggt

Good Afternoon Lizards! Any Chicagoland Lizard driving home tonite PLEASE BE CAREFUL. I stayed in 3rd gear and drove no more than 20 miles an hour on my trek home on surface streets. The Turns were still a dicey.

The snow is accumulating on top of very cold roads and ice. The sky is all white as far as I can see, so once it get's dark, it's not going to be fun.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

I am North of you looking at all the snow you are sending this way.

740 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:21:47pm

re: #702 WrathofG-d

re: #676 buzzsawmonkey

re: #678 Walter L. Newton

I think "Walter L. Newton" might have actually answered my semi-rhetorical question.

That being said however, it is sure odd to celebrate something before it actually occurs. We wouldn't be having Xmas parties the 1 week of December.

I wonder if someone mentioned it to the White House.

Bullshit. We have been running our Christmas show since Nov. 7th and we have had groups book their Christmas parties at the theatre BEFORE Thanksgiving.

Even I feel that is a little early, but it does happen. I wouldn't damn them to hell for it.

741 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:22:08pm

re: #691 Desert Dog

Phoenix Airport footbath

Airport user fees VS. tax dollars. Seems to me it all comes out of the same wallet.
That is unbelievable.

742 astronmr20  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:22:11pm

re: #714 Mike in Georgia

700 comments in 2 hours

It's very interesting. I've worked in broadcast media for some time, and in general, holidays in radio- especially talk radio and in news- were really "throw away" times. Sure we still had advertisers and listeners, but people were distracted, traveling, stressed; anything that put them out of their regular routine would affect listenership.

I see quite the opposite effect in internet media; especially with interactive news blogs like this one. When one is finally alone and away from the havoc, will pull out their laptop and sit on here for hours this time of year.

743 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:22:20pm
744 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:22:21pm

re: #732 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

745 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:22:24pm

re: #734 Honorary Yooper

Congrats on being an EIT. How much longer till you can take the PE exam?

Two years before I can take the test, three before I can get the license. In Utah you need 4 years experience.

746 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:22:33pm

re: #696 lifeofthemind

And if the voice on the phone introduced itself by saying "This is Colonel Hardass, can you get me and General Gutpuller a tee time this afternoon?" what did you say?

agree to it. The cal the golf course and set up a real tee time. ;-)>

747 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:23:17pm

re: #739 Creeping Eruption

SORRY, Sorry, sorry . . .

748 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:23:20pm

re: #727 Walter L. Newton

Look, I know Jewish families who are big, spread around, I've seen them get together for Hanukkah on days that do not fall with in the 8 days slated by the lunar calender.

Are you saying that all those families shouldn't be doing that. Once again we have a problem here with the meaning of the holiday versus some protocol. Protocol that can't even be historically documented to the tee.

Geeessshhh.

Ok, well I am not going to comment on this supposed Jewish family you claim to know.

I just find it strange when people celebrate a holiday a week or two before it actually occurs. As for those "for a tee" things that obviously bother you so much, I'll talk to G-d and see if he can move around his Commandments so that they are more accommodating to your schedule.

749 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:23:37pm

Screw it, I am leaving the Christmas lights up all year.
Why not. It's festive.

750 Bob Dillon  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:23:38pm

re: #712 Desert Dog

Good god! At least they are doing it out in the open. I still think they should just toss this entire Senatorial race out and start over...I think Coleman would win, which means Franken will never agree to it.

Agreed.

751 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:24:17pm

re: #702 WrathofG-d

re: #676 buzzsawmonkey

re: #678 Walter L. Newton

I think "Walter L. Newton" might have actually answered my semi-rhetorical question.

That being said however, it is sure odd to celebrate something before it actually occurs. We wouldn't be having Xmas parties the 1 week of December.

I wonder if someone mentioned it to the White House.

actually they do. There have been Christmas parties for the last two weeks here and there about town. And more coming up.

752 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:24:18pm

re: #746 Outrider

agree to it. The cal the golf course and set up a real tee time. ;-)>

Did folks call the golf course hoping to get the Marines?

753 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:24:25pm

re: #731 Nevergiveup

Investigation reveals bus driver had 22 prior traffic offenses and that just minutes before crash he had an argument with another driver. Transportation minister: Crash result of 'aggressive road behavior'

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

And people think the Arabs are our biggest enemies?

Damn, he'd fit in as a regular on my freaking commute. Had an asshole in an SUV in the snow a couple of weeks ago do a U-turn in the middle of the road and act like an ass with his two dipshit buddies in the car.

Then of course, there was the skating rink masquarading as an expressway yesterday morning with the fools who drive 40 on dry pavement, then 90 on the ice.

754 Mike in Georgia  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:24:30pm

re: #742 astronmr20

It's always interesting to read when you have time.

755 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:24:39pm

re: #679 WrathofG-d

By the by, you sound a bit hostile...is something up?

He thought he had his tee time all lined up.

756 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:24:58pm

re: #741 CapeCoddah

Airport user fees VS. tax dollars. Seems to me it all comes out of the same wallet.
That is unbelievable.

Actually, it use to be outdoors and open air, but they have recently built a new indoor bathroom with brand new top of the line foot baths installed. Some other Muslim workers at the airport have now request that the same things be done inside the terminals...no word on that...but, if I was a betting man...they will get that as well. If that happens, I will go down there and use it as my personal bidet every chance I get

757 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:24:58pm
758 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:25:31pm

re: #740 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit. We have been running our Christmas show since Nov. 7th and we have had groups book their Christmas parties at the theatre BEFORE Thanksgiving.

Even I feel that is a little early, but it does happen. I wouldn't damn them to hell for it.

Some of us separate secular and religious celebrations. Christmas parties are fair game from the day after Thanksgiving on, but a Christmas church service wouldn't be right any time other than Christmas Eve or Christmas Day.

No, no one is damned to hell, but one of the points of religion is discipline, and shaping the calendar for personal convenience runs counter to that.

759 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:25:35pm

re: #749 rawmuse

Screw it, I am leaving the Christmas lights up all year.
Why not. It's festive.

My Dad did that one year. We had "Valentine's lights" & "Easter lights", etc. before my Mom made him take the lights down.

760 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:25:39pm

re: #749 rawmuse

Screw it, I am leaving the Christmas lights up all year.
Why not. It's festive.

I am that guy that says every year, "You know, I like matzah, why don't we have matzah in the house all year round."

Never happens.

761 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:25:43pm

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey

A lot of businesses have their "Christmas parties" during the first weeks of December. It doesn't seem that unusual to me.

Personal choice then. I find it very odd. I guess I should take this opportunity to express that I wasn't upset about it, I just find it a bit strange.

I won't be switching nationalities over it any time soon.

762 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:26:04pm

re: #749 rawmuse

Screw it, I am leaving the Christmas lights up all year.
Why not. It's festive.

I already have Holloween decorations still up inside my apartment, and I have decided to just keep a little "cheer" from every holiday up around the apartment. Hell, they start promoting each holiday so soon BEFORE the next one, there's no way I won't just be a few weeks off.

I'm serious, Shirley.

763 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:26:09pm

re: #745 bosforus

Two years before I can take the test, three before I can get the license. In Utah you need 4 years experience.

Same in Illinois, if you went to an ABET accreditied college (which I did). It's eight years if you did not. You get your license here within a few months after passing the exam (via mail).

764 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:26:21pm

re: #713 lifeofthemind

I knew a girl in College who did answer the phone this way:
Barney's abortions
You rape 'em we scrape 'em
No fetus can beat us.

She was ... odd.

I know that one... but was a little reluctant to post it. ;-)>

765 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:26:21pm

re: #718 bosforus

You're in waste water treatment, no? PE here in CA, civil/mechanical design work mostly. Business is way off for the parent co.

766 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:26:26pm

re: #756 Desert Dog

Actually, it use to be outdoors and open air, but they have recently built a new indoor bathroom with brand new top of the line foot baths installed. Some other Muslim workers at the airport have now request that the same things be done inside the terminals...no word on that...but, if I was a betting man...they will get that as well. If that happens, I will go down there and use it as my personal bidet every chance I get

Use it for me every other time, please!

767 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:26:34pm

re: #760 Ben Hur

I am that guy that says every year, "You know, I like matzah, why don't we have matzah in the house all year round."

Never happens.

Even I have matzah in the house all year round.

768 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:26:42pm

re: #751 Outrider

actually they do. There have been Christmas parties for the last two weeks here and there about town. And more coming up.

Well that is a shame then. I imagine this really all just goes to the fact that to most all religious holidays have lost their actual meaning.

769 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:27:11pm

re: #691 Desert Dog

Phoenix Airport footbath

all these demands by moslems for all these special considerations is strictly to force the issue. make their presence known and push us further into accepting the ropma.
this perpetual washing and wuduing is not even done in moslem countries except ritualistically. they don't have water in most places to engage in this splashing around.
and they don't need to do it here either. we need to pull the plug on these demands. let them wash w/ air. like they have always done.
fck stealth jihad.

770 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:27:12pm

re: #753 Honorary Yooper

Damn, he'd fit in as a regular on my freaking commute. Had an asshole in an SUV in the snow a couple of weeks ago do a U-turn in the middle of the road and act like an ass with his two dipshit buddies in the car.

Then of course, there was the skating rink masquarading as an expressway yesterday morning with the fools who drive 40 on dry pavement, then 90 on the ice.

Dumbest I saw was several years ago. A car spun out, full 360, in a snowstorm. Everyone else was going slowly enough and avoided the car.
A minute later, she (it was a she in the car that spun out) passed everyone - on the right.

771 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:27:13pm

re: #706 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Actually, some were from England, on my mother's side. My family name comes from Scotland -- gutter snipes from Edinburgh.

Thats ok then - a fellow Celt!
I liked Edinburgh, bit cold but quite beautiful. There'll be a huge Welsh invasion early next February, the bi-annual trip to Murrayfield, for the ritual rugby slaughter. This time its our turn ... Scottish b*stards beat us two years ago!

772 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:27:30pm

re: #577 lifeofthemind

Chicago Public Education has been abysmal for years.
Way back in the day thare was a Superentendent, Ben Willis that tried to reform the system with teachers being held accountable.
Really got a lot of people angry. He installed modular classrooms at overcrowded schools. They had central heat & air, while the main buildings had no air. Many were placed at overcrowded African/American schools. They were soon branded as "Willis Wagons" & called racist.
Protests all over the place. The guys position became untenable & he just went away.
Later though, the modular classrooms were demanded.

773 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:27:41pm

re: #762 Walter L. Newton

Every year I put them up, and I think to myself "Didn't I just now put these away?"

The Toilet Paper of Time does indeed spin faster toward the end of the Roll.

774 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:27:42pm

re: #447 MandyManners

What if the restaurant refuses to serve black people?

"Race" and "ethnicity" are protected groups under civil rights laws, and "discrimination" based on those factors is prohibited. Dogs, however, are not protected.

However, I would think it would not be legal to refuse service based on the mere fact of a disability (or race).

775 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:27:47pm

re: #744 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

Sure that's not the tester after pBMb's driving portion?

776 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:27:53pm

re: #756 Desert Dog

Actually, it use to be outdoors and open air, but they have recently built a new indoor bathroom with brand new top of the line foot baths installed. Some other Muslim workers at the airport have now request that the same things be done inside the terminals...no word on that...but, if I was a betting man...they will get that as well. If that happens, I will go down there and use it as my personal bidet every chance I get

Watch the brakes get put on as soon as they ask the cab companies to install a foot bath inside the cabs. (I made a pun there I think).

777 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:28:06pm

re: #744 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

YIKES!

{goddess} ... MWAH!

First ... how are you doing today ... ?!?!

Second, since you've brought the subject up, it's time for a reprise.

778 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:28:21pm

re: #716 CapeCoddah

I get that all the time, my business line number is apparently very close to a collection agency. I answer the phone clearly " Good Afternoon, XYZ limousine" and the caller starts laying out why they have not paid, or why do they owe, yadda yadda, usually giving me way too much info before I can break in and tell them they are talking to a limo company. Guess they are just happy to hear a human. I get that at least twice a day, and some of them get really mad or rude when I tell them they have the wrong number.

guess you could be a jerk and give them an extension of their payment over the phone. I can imagine them trying to explain to Guido why they didn't make their payment. ;-)>

779 NY Nana  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:28:35pm

re: #660 WrathofG-d

Kwit yer bellyaching, damn it...I don't remember any president before President Bush having a yearly Hanukka party in the White House, and he cut his trip to the Middle East short to come back for it.

Since the first candle of Hanukka is on the 21st, and Christmas Eve is 3 days later, the Bush family may very well have plans.

/Who are you, Scrooge?

780 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:28:57pm

re: #769 nyc redneck

all these demands by moslems for all these special considerations is strictly to force the issue. make their presence known and push us further into accepting the ropma.
this perpetual washing and wuduing is not even done in moslem countries except ritualistically. they don't have water in most places to engage in this splashing around.
and they don't need to do it here either. we need to pull the plug on these demands. let them wash w/ air. like they have always done.
fck stealth jihad.

That's just a pattern for the City of Phoenix: Here's the latest

781 vapig  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:29:13pm

re: #702 WrathofG-d

That being said however, it is sure odd to celebrate something before it actually occurs. We wouldn't be having Xmas parties the 1 week of December.

I wonder if someone mentioned it to the White House.

What bunk! Christmas parties with co-workers start REALLY early. Christmas parties with friends stagger all over the place. Christmas parties with FAMILY are the ones that are closest to the holiday. Christmas itself is generally never a party, but a family get together. and for those of us who actually celebrate the birth of Christ (secular vs religious), it's a Church service.

782 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:29:20pm

re: #777 pre-Boomer Marine brat

YIKES!

{goddess} ... MWAH!

First ... how are you doing today ... ?!?!

Second, since you've brought the subject up, it's time for a reprise.

I'm ok. The funeral was today. It was a beautiful, moving service. I'm exhausted from crying. I've never wished life had a rewind button more.

783 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:29:32pm

THE HANUKIAH IS JUST A PAGAN TREE!

784 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:29:39pm

re: #765 turn

You're in waste water treatment, no? PE here in CA, civil/mechanical design work mostly. Business is way off for the parent co.

I'm in transportation, actually.

785 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:29:55pm

re: #730 ggt

The Turns were still a dicey ... hey no need to get personal :.)

Lot's of people slipping around on an icy bridge in P-ville CA today, very unusually cold for that elevation.

786 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:30:00pm

re: #770 Kosh's Shadow

People in their BiG SUV's can go much faster on the ice/snow, but they can't stop any faster. I give them a wide berth.

Some guy behind me in his big ford truck was flashing his lights at me today. I just let him. Finally he turned and went down another road. Geez, EVERY one else was going as slow as I was. Hope he made it to his destination all right.

787 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:30:22pm

re: #746 Outrider

agree to it. The cal the golf course and set up a real tee time. ;-)>

Call for Gunny was the right answer. Never promise more than you can deliver and never lie to a boss. "Colonel I don't want to fuck up, let me pass you to my Chief (or Gunny)" is always a polite answer. The most dangerous man in the world is the one who goes off to fix the nuclear power plant without telling anyone so that he can impress the boss.

788 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:30:26pm

re: #717 WriterMom

Wow. Finally something trumping religious 'sensitivity'. Amazing.

Strong disability lobby here - and people are not taking kindly to those who try to score over them with 'religious' feelings, especially when guide dogs are involved, 'Guide Dogs for the Blind' is one of he best-loved charities here.

789 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:30:35pm
790 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:30:38pm

re: #763 Honorary Yooper

Same in Illinois, if you went to an ABET accreditied college (which I did). It's eight years if you did not. You get your license here within a few months after passing the exam (via mail).

I felt lucky to pass the FE on my first try. I should probably start studying for the PE tonight to get ready. ;)

791 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:30:38pm

re: #778 Outrider

guess you could be a jerk and give them an extension of their payment over the phone. I can imagine them trying to explain to Guido why they didn't make their payment. ;-)>

Never thought of that, could be fun, but, I dont like to mess with folks who are already having problems, I just wish they would not charge ahead talking non stop, or at least listen to how I answer the phone!

792 Ron Paul  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:30:45pm

re: #705 Solomon2 They can't even fake a quote without the islamic logic shining through.

793 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:30:50pm

re: #770 Kosh's Shadow

Dumbest I saw was several years ago. A car spun out, full 360, in a snowstorm. Everyone else was going slowly enough and avoided the car.
A minute later, she (it was a she in the car that spun out) passed everyone - on the right.

That happened to me a few years ago driving to Chicago. I had no business - no one had any business being on the roads. I am going down the middle lane of the highway (slowly and carefully) and see an suv in my rea view coming up very fast. I keep watching and it gets close enough that I assume it is about to pass on the right side. Nothing happens. I look in my rear view again and see it about 100 yards behind me spinning around and around and bouncing off the concrete sides like a pinball.

794 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:31:05pm
795 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:31:28pm

re: #730 ggt

Good Afternoon Lizards! Any Chicagoland Lizard driving home tonite PLEASE BE CAREFUL. I stayed in 3rd gear and drove no more than 20 miles an hour on my trek home on surface streets. The Turns were still a dicey.

The snow is accumulating on top of very cold roads and ice. The sky is all white as far as I can see, so once it get's dark, it's not going to be fun.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Tell me about it. 55's gonna be a blast as I make my attempt (yes, I said attempt) to get home. Wonder which assholes will have an accident today along it.

At least I don't have to use 88. Thank goodness for small miracles.

796 astronmr20  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:31:28pm

In regards to Christmas and the holidays in general, thought I'd post this in light of the "intolerance masked as tolerance" here in the 'States.

Just got off the phone with the fiancee in India.

She lives and works in Hyderabad. Mostly Hindu; about 9 percent muslim, and 1-2 percent Christian. At her office, a large consulting firm, people tell each other Merry Christmas. She is Indian and a Christian, and people go out of their way to tell her Merry Christmas They get Christmas day off. And this year, her underlings banded together and made a creche and manger scene in the front lobby out of cardboard boxed, shredded paper, and print-outs.

Just kinda puts things in perspective, in regards to the silliness that happens here.

797 midwestgak  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:31:41pm

re: #646 itellu3times

He's been sadly wack for a couple of years. Love those old Columbos, especially the ones with Patrick McGoohan.

We'll always have him in The Princes Bride {Peter}

798 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:31:48pm

re: #786 ggt

People in their BiG SUV's can go much faster on the ice/snow, but they can't stop any faster. I give them a wide berth.

Some guy behind me in his big ford truck was flashing his lights at me today. I just let him. Finally he turned and went down another road. Geez, EVERY one else was going as slow as I was. Hope he made it to his destination all right.

Those are usually the guys that race by you, and then a few miles down the road, they are stuck in ditch with stupid look on their faces

799 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:32:02pm

So, David J Shwartz.

Maddof?

Yes or no?

800 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:32:08pm

re: #759 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My Dad did that one year. We had "Valentine's lights" & "Easter lights", etc. before my Mom made him take the lights down.

He didn't have to take down the Halloween Tree?

801 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:32:12pm

re: #735 Creeping Eruption

With caller id, many times I answer: What the fuck do you want?!(telemarketers). If they don't hang up, I'll string them along.

i string them along anyway. ask about the weather. their lives. what color underwear they are wearing. see how long it takes to disconnect. i have actually had responses to the underwear question, with two (so far) stating none.

eh, comes from working at home. ;-)>

802 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:32:34pm

re: #773 rawmuse

Every year I put them up, and I think to myself "Didn't I just now put these away?"

The Toilet Paper of Time does indeed spin faster toward the end of the Roll.

My little 3 foot Xmas tree with built in color-changing fiber optics lights is staying up. Maisey the Parrot LOVES the singing/moving snowman on one of my end tables (Maisey sings along). He's staying up. I have a pirate "painting" in the bathroom (Holloween) that talks, sticks out it's tongue and rolls its eyes. Maisey loves listening to that too. I got this and that holiday nicknacks that I will be leaving up.

And no matter what woman I bring in here, at whatever time of the year, she bound to find something festive to get her in the right mood.

803 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:32:39pm

re: #703 WriterMom

YOU SAID IT. It's gonna be a little heavier on the Eid, a little light on the Macabees from now on...

I just can't wait for the first White House Kwanzaa celebrations! So diverse!

804 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:32:47pm

re: #539 father_of_10

No one is lending. I tried to get some rental property refinanced and and the bank said to wait, things are still too tight. If the banks would loosen up and loan some $$ out on real estate at about 3%, things would move right along. they don't want to because they are waiting for some more inflation too. IMHO

I think they are flat out scared to lend out money and have the credit go bad.

This is what I mean when I say that these banks are sitting on all kinds of money and once it cuts loose, look out for inflation.

Some bank is going to see an opportunity to make a large profit and will start moving loans. I'd call around and see if you can find someone willing to move it.

805 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:32:57pm

re: #729 WriterMom

not exactly writer mom in israel they say next year in a rebuilt jerusalem.

806 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:33:02pm

re: #781 vapig

I'd agree. From my (religious) perspective, Christmas starts on Christmas - not the day after Thanksgiving.

807 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:33:17pm

re: #790 bosforus

I felt lucky to pass the FE on my first try. I should probably start studying for the PE tonight to get ready. ;)

Heh. I passed the FE and the PE each on the first try. Heard that's not all that common. I sat next to a lady who was taking the PE for her third time back in April.

808 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:33:39pm

re: #806 Cap'n DOC

I'd agree. From my (religious) perspective, Christmas starts on Christmas - not the day after Thanksgiving.

It starts in August at Wal-mart, Target, et al

809 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:33:39pm

re: #775 jcm

Sure that's not the tester after pBMb's driving portion?

LOL

810 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:33:46pm

re: #783 Ben Hur

THE HANUKIAH IS JUST A PAGAN TREE!

I think you are doing it wrong!

811 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:33:58pm
812 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:00pm

re: #801 Outrider

i string them along anyway. ask about the weather. their lives. what color underwear they are wearing. see how long it takes to disconnect. i have actually had responses to the underwear question, with two (so far) stating none.

eh, comes from working at home. ;-)>

LOL. I'm trying that with the next one.

813 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:11pm

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

My little 3 foot Xmas tree with built in color-changing fiber optics lights is staying up. Maisey the Parrot LOVES the singing/moving snowman on one of my end tables (Maisey sings along). He's staying up. I have a pirate "painting" in the bathroom (Holloween) that talks, sticks out it's tongue and rolls its eyes. Maisey loves listening to that too. I got this and that holiday nicknacks that I will be leaving up.

And no matter what woman I bring in here, at whatever time of the year, she bound to find something festive to get her in the right mood.

Are you another "X"er?

814 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:16pm

re: #795 Honorary Yooper

Tell me about it. 55's gonna be a blast as I make my attempt (yes, I said attempt) to get home. Wonder which assholes will have an accident today along it.

At least I don't have to use 88. Thank goodness for small miracles.

I was suppossed to visit someone in Tinley Park tonite. NOT going to happen. There is no good way to get there from Near Iowa anyway.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL

815 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:20pm

re: #749 rawmuse

Screw it, I am leaving the Christmas lights up all year.
Why not. It's festive.

go for it. I've tried and the wife actually let me get as far as May before she called enough.

816 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:21pm

re: #805 yochanan

not exactly writer mom in israel they say next year in a rebuilt jerusalem.

They should say "B'H for this present miracle that we are NOW living".

817 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:28pm

re: #491 buzzsawmonkey

Nobody noticed my suggestion of Tempest-Tossed Salad with Melting Pot Fondue as an entree a thread or two back, so I'm inflicting it on you again.

Your repeated, cruel attempts to inflict "19th century immigration" puns on us only go to prove Sartre's dictum: Ellis other people.

818 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:37pm

re: #540 monkeytime

Thank you for the very kind words.

819 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:53pm

re: #800 opnion

He didn't have to take down the Halloween Tree?

The indoor decorations are a lot easier to deal with than climbing a ladder & taking down all the outside lights.

820 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:34:58pm

re: #782 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm ok. The funeral was today. It was a beautiful, moving service. I'm exhausted from crying. I've never wished life had a rewind button more.

{ { { { you } } }

821 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:35:09pm

The driver of a bus that crashed near Eilat on Tuesday, killing at least 24 Russian tour guides, said he lost control of the vehicle when an object fell on him while overtaking.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Sounds a little like the dog ate my homework?

822 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:35:12pm

re: #803 Kenneth

I just can't wait for the first White House Kwanzaa celebrations! So diverse!

I'm waiting for the first White House Festivus!

823 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:35:14pm

re: #807 Honorary Yooper

Heh. I passed the FE and the PE each on the first try. Heard that's not all that common. I sat next to a lady who was taking the PE for her third time back in April.

Let's hope that's not me 5 years from now.

824 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:35:40pm

re: #813 Ben Hur

Are you another "X"er?

I don't know what your reference means?

825 monkeytime  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:35:43pm

Asshat drivers come in all makes and models.

826 gregg  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:09pm

Moody's odds on the auto bailout/bankruptcy:

- 70 percent probability that the restructuring plan for U.S. automakers will consist of a prepackaged bankruptcy financed by government loans to get GM and Chrysler LLC through to 2009.

- 25 percent probability the U.S. will bail out the automakers with no bankruptcy.

- 5 percent chance the automakers will go bankrupt without government assistance.

827 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:12pm

I found the best-toy-ever for parents with small kids who are fussy eaters (is there any other kind?)

...in fact, I'm getting one for me too!

828 turn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:13pm

re: #784 bosforus

Really? Sorry about that, must have been someone else. Hey you and I must have a lot in common, I'm in transportation related design as well.

829 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:21pm

re: #798 Desert Dog

We have a lot of immigrants from South of the Border here. You can always tell the ones for whom it is their first winter. I saw a lady driving yesterday with a windshield covered ice. No attempt to chip away at it or let it thaw. Another today still had snow all over his back windshield (he did pass me).

All one can do is shake one's head and pray for them.

830 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:32pm

re: #814 ggt

I was suppossed to visit someone in Tinley Park tonite. NOT going to happen. There is no good way to get there from Near Iowa anyway.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL

It's not me I worry about. It's the 4 million assholes on the expressway (OK, maybe only 2 million, but who's counting?) that I worry about. I can handle snow on the freeway at a fairly high rate of speed (and stop too), but some of them can't.

831 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:36pm

Alternate feed+

/if the KARE feed goes down again

832 opnion  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:42pm

re: #819 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The indoor decorations are a lot easier to deal with than climbing a ladder & taking down all the outside lights.

With no little kids in the house anymore , I just don't get nuts with the lights.

833 yochanan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:46pm

re: #816 WrathofG-d

it is said for passover not channaka

834 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:48pm

re: #824 Walter L. Newton

I don't know what your reference means?

Xmas.

835 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:36:56pm

re: #789 buzzsawmonkey

My sister-in-law trying to switch first-night Seder to the nearest Saturday evening for the sake of her personal convenience (yes, she tried to do this one year) is one thing; I found that stupid and offensive, and it would have rendered the Seder pointless.

A non-Jewish establishment like the White House having a "Chanukah party" that is not on the holiday proper is different; it attempts to give at least a symbolic nod to the holiday, while recognizing that the people for whom it is a religious observance might have other plans for their actual observance.

This is actually pretty funny...I wasn't complaining. I'm not sure why people keep responding to me with such anger as if I were. Your answer makes sense if that is actually the reason. I wonder if they will be lighting menorahs. Would that change your opinion?

836 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:37:12pm

re: #817 Occasional Reader

Your repeated, cruel attempts to inflict "19th century immigration" puns on us only go to prove Sartre's dictum: Ellis other people.

Oh, that's brilliant!

837 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:37:19pm

re: #789 buzzsawmonkey

My sister-in-law trying to switch first-night Seder to the nearest Saturday evening for the sake of her personal convenience (yes, she tried to do this one year) is one thing; I found that stupid and offensive, and it would have rendered the Seder pointless.

A non-Jewish establishment like the White House having a "Hanukkah party" that is not on the holiday proper is different; it attempts to give at least a symbolic nod to the holiday, while recognizing that the people for whom it is a religious observance might have other plans for their actual observance.

Which makes my point that I have know Jewish families who have gotten together for Hanukkah on days out of the range of the 8 day festival.

Right, wrong or indifferent, it happens.

838 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:37:46pm

re: #804 3 wood

all my bank credit cards have increased my limits--some of them have been doubled.

wishful thinking on their part?

839 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:38:13pm

re: #782 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

So sorry about this.
But a moving service helps when looking back.

840 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:38:21pm

re: #768 WrathofG-d

Well that is a shame then. I imagine this really all just goes to the fact that to most all religious holidays have lost their actual meaning.

maybe there is confusion. We celebrate Christmas ON Christmas day. However offices, business, civic organizations, clubs, and groups of friends have "Christmas" parties through out December.

I somehow suspect the Dentist office or local Elks Club would not show up on Christmas day for an office party.

841 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:38:30pm

re: #827 Kenneth

I found the best-toy-ever for parents with small kids who are fussy eaters (is there any other kind?)

...in fact, I'm getting one for me too!

That is awesome!

842 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:38:34pm

re: #834 Ben Hur

Xmas.

Still, What does it mean? ("Are you another "X"er?")

843 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:38:49pm

Was in a bar in Mobile, Alabama. Bartender answered the phone, "Bill's Bar. Wanna buy a bar?"

844 ashan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:39:24pm

re: #660 WrathofG-d

Can anyone explain to me why the White House would have a Chanukkah party this week?

To provide cover while Clueless Condi and the UNSC screw Israel.

845 bosforus  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:39:26pm

re: #828 turn

Really? Sorry about that, must have been someone else. Hey you and I must have a lot in common, I'm in transportation related design as well.

Most interesting. There are a lot of CE's around here it seems.

846 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:39:45pm

re: #836 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, that's brilliant!

Thank you.

[polite cough, bellboy style, as I wait for tip/upding]

847 astronmr20  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:39:51pm

re: #838 ggt

all my bank credit cards have increased my limits--some of them have been doubled.

wishful thinking on their part?

As long as you pay on time, that's pretty typical these days for sneaky credit card companies.

They've done the studies, they have the statistics, they understand the numbers very well.

I paid off my last credit card about 3 weeks ago. So glad. never again. Ever. For any reason. For emergencies, I'm building a cash fund and leaving that alone only for emergencies. that will be my "credit card."

848 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:07pm

re: #841 Creeping Eruption

That is awesome!

No kidding! The shopkeeper says it's been selling like crazy. My boy is going to LOVE IT!

849 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:07pm

re: #825 monkeytime

Asshat drivers come in all makes and models.

GMs answer to the problem
Introducing the 2009 Asshat!

850 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:07pm

re: #628 debutaunt

Obama will crank up the presses?

Count on it. Probably another trillion in spending and hand outs.

851 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:13pm

re: #842 Walter L. Newton

Still, What does it mean? ("Are you another "X"er?")

Will you write, "Christmas?"

852 midwestgak  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:21pm

re: #814 ggt

I was suppossed to visit someone in Tinley Park tonite. NOT going to happen. There is no good way to get there from Near Iowa anyway.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL

It's bumper to bumper in Westchester. Looking out onto 22nd St.

853 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:35pm

re: #829 ggt

All it has to do here is rain and it's the equivalent of a blizzard elsewhere. I thought the worst drivers in the world lived in Colorado, until I move to AZ. One half is going 15 miles an hour, the other is pushing warp factor 4...and, I am in the middle trying to dodge them both.

854 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:43pm
855 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:45pm

NANNY STATE ALERT!

N.C. looks at taxing drivers by the mile

With gas-tax revenues plummeting, the state of North Carolina is looking seriously at taxing motorists for how far they drive.

If the “road-use tax” is implemented, it would at first be simple – with the state checking your odometer annually and taxing you based on how many miles you have driven. But transportation experts say new GPS technology could allow the state to charge people different rates based on when and where they drive, in an attempt to manage congestion.

Talk of a Vehicle Miles Traveled tax has long been discussed as a necessity in a decade or so, because cars are becoming more fuel efficient, and states and the federal government are losing gas-tax revenue.

856 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:40:49pm

re: #827 Kenneth

that got sent to my email list titled, "What Every Man Need."

lol

857 gregg  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:41:01pm

re: #838 ggt

all my bank credit cards have increased my limits--some of them have been doubled.

wishful thinking on their part?

I've had a Citibank card since 1986 that I haven't used in awhile. Citibank canceled it in October (I found out when I tried to use it). Seemed kind of unusual to me.

858 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:42:05pm

re: #847 astronmr20

As long as you pay on time, that's pretty typical these days for sneaky credit card companies.

They've done the studies, they have the statistics, they understand the numbers very well.

I paid off my last credit card about 3 weeks ago. So glad. never again. Ever. For any reason. For emergencies, I'm building a cash fund and leaving that alone only for emergencies. that will be my "credit card."

Pay mine off (or at least down 95+% come January)

859 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:42:20pm

re: #829 ggt

We have a lot of immigrants from South of the Border here.

You mean this guy?

860 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:42:27pm

Tour bus driver had 22 prior convictions in traffic offenses

The problem with Scotland is that it is filled with Scots.

/Lionheart.

861 Smilla  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:42:34pm

re: #390 father_of_10

I think your taking my comment and really stretching it! come on. I didn't say we should not regulate. I said we ARE regulating. But, regulation will not stop ALL corruption and greed. Regulation stops MOST of it. But! There will always be that one guy . . . the brilliant misguided evil genius that outsmarts the regulators. The guy guy that is smarter than the cops.

Are you denying that? Do you think we should regulate and regulate until EVERY aspect of the market and society is controlled so that absolutely NO crime is EVER committed?


I think we are both stretching it a bit. What worries me is that there is not enough regulation to prevent the disasters that leave the ordinary people doing an honest day's work suddenly without a job. The stock market always seems bipolar to me. No balance!

862 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:42:36pm

re: #827 Kenneth

I found the best-toy-ever for parents with small kids who are fussy eaters (is there any other kind?)

...in fact, I'm getting one for me too!

THAT is cool...I know what my sisters twins are getting from Uncle Desert Dog now!

863 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:42:50pm
864 NY Nana  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:43:14pm
865 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:44:14pm

re: #833 yochanan

it is said for passover not channaka

Yes I am aware of that.

The miracle I am speaking about is that the prayer that our ancestors have prayed for (the ability to be in Jerusalem) has been answered. We are living for the first time in over 2000 years during a time when we have this miracle, this opportunity. What our ancestors could only dream about, and pray for...we are actually living.

For this I feel blessed. Thus when in Jerusalem (or even Israel for that matter) over passover, the Jews living there should remember how exceptionally lucky they are to be living the dream of millions of Jews over thousands of years.

866 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:44:36pm

re: #850 3 wood

Count on it. Probably another trillion in spending and hand outs.

How can I be protected other than buying gold?

867 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:44:44pm

re: #860 Ben Hur

Tour bus driver had 22 prior convictions in traffic offenses

The problem with Scotland is that it is filled with Scots.

/LionBraveheart.

Speaking of Scots, has anyone seen the trailer for Frost/Nixon? The actor portraying Nixon sounds like he's doing a bad Sean Connery impression! "I am not a crook. And I'll take 'Famous Titties' for $500, Alex."

868 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:45:09pm

re: #851 Ben Hur

Will you write, "Christmas?"

Sure. I have no problem with Christmas. It's just quicker sometimes to type Xmas.

Hell, I just joined a committee that working with our Golden city council to make recommendations next year about city sponsored Christmas decorations.

And I'm on the "it's ok that the city sponsor's religious symbols on the public display" side of the issue.

And I'm an atheist, Ok?

869 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:45:28pm

re: #863 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Best. Hotel. Ever!

I dated a young Thai woman for a while, about whom it could be more or less literally said, "'Porn' is her middle name".

870 gclaghorn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:45:35pm

re: #864 NY Nana

Heeere's Barney! ;)

That's so cute!

871 LeePro  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:46:04pm

re: #851 Ben Hur

Will you write, "Christmas?"

FYI: Nothing wrong with "Xmas."

872 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:46:08pm

re: #867 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Speaking of Scots, has anyone seen the trailer for Frost/Nixon? The actor portraying Nixon sounds like he's doing a bad Sean Connery impression! "I am not a crook. And I'll take 'Famous Titties' for $500, Alex."

Ah.

That's right.

Longshanks.

Thanks.

873 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:46:14pm

re: #869 Occasional Reader

I dated a young Thai woman for a while, about whom it could be more or less literally said, "'Porn' is her middle name".

Was 'Hardcore' her first?

874 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:46:29pm

re: #859 Occasional Reader

Kinda, only with wearing winter weather gear.

875 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:46:51pm

re: #869 Occasional Reader

I dated a young Thai woman for a while, about whom it could be more or less literally said, "'Porn' is her middle name".

I ate at a Thia restaurant today and had prawns.

876 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:46:53pm

re: #854 buzzsawmonkey

As for the non-Jews, they can do whatever makes them happy. The Chanukkah party however is attended, I would assume mostly, by Jews.

They too can do whatever they want, (I guess). I just find it odd that they would "celebrate" the holiday a week early.

The reasoning you, and others gave however give reasonable explanations of "why" its being done though.

I'm not going to get into the Halacha specifics of lighting candles and "politeness" here.

877 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:47:01pm

re: #860 Ben Hur

The problem with Scotland is that it is filled with Scots.
/Lionheart.

Yes, and would you like a chance to retract that?

*glare*

(-:

878 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:47:06pm

re: #853 Desert Dog

All it has to do here is rain and it's the equivalent of a blizzard elsewhere. I thought the worst drivers in the world lived in Colorado, until I move to AZ. One half is going 15 miles an hour, the other is pushing warp factor 4...and, I am in the middle trying to dodge them both.


The drivers in Indiana speed up in bad weather..I guess to make it home faster..It is Darwinism in action

879 midwestgak  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:47:09pm

re: #857 gregg

I've had a Citibank card since 1986 that I haven't used in awhile. Citibank canceled it in October (I found out when I tried to use it). Seemed kind of unusual to me.

I didn't use one of my cards for 2 years. Then they pulled it.

880 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:47:17pm

re: #857 gregg

I've had a Citibank card since 1986 that I haven't used in awhile. Citibank canceled it in October (I found out when I tried to use it). Seemed kind of unusual to me.

The banks have been cancelling unused cards right and left, or simply lowering the limits on them. My parents found this out with a Target card. They had the limit lowered on it, so they promptly cancelled it and will just pay it off.

881 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:48:04pm

re: #656 itellu3times

I am really really uncomfortable with this move, and with the Fed's move today.

Moonbat I work with goes on about how another trillion in demand is needed, to restart the economy. Suggesting all these giveaways to the banks, has been wasted money. I don't know that he's wrong.

The bank system had top be supported or it was show over for a decade. End of story.

We have to realize that the banking system was shutting down for about a year. I think it will take about a year to get back to "normal", whatever that is.

Your moonbat friend is talking about traditional Keynesian "prime the pump" economics, which works as long as the aggregate supply curve is fairly flat.

I don't think the aggregate supply curve is flat though.

By the time all this fiscal expansion stuff hits, the economy will have self adjusted anyway and then we will have heightened inflation.

As somebody else said upthread, just has the market was over doing the confidence thing a year ago, it now is overdoing the being scared s**tless thing now.

Unemployment is about 6.8% now and should top out at less than 10%, probably more like 7.5 %.

In the Great Depression it was 25%.

The worry now is inflation.

882 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:48:04pm

re: #868 Walter L. Newton

Sure. I have no problem with Christmas. It's just quicker sometimes to type Xmas.

Hell, I just joined a committee that working with our Golden city council to make recommendations next year about city sponsored Christmas decorations.

And I'm on the "it's ok that the city sponsor's religious symbols on the public display" side of the issue.

And I'm an atheist, Ok?

That's all I was asking.

But it's nice to know the rest

883 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:19pm

Any MST3K fans remember the name of the episode where the movie's lead had a ridiculously "manly" name like "Clint McStone" & for the rest of the movie, the guys would shout out even more ridiculously "manly" names like "Rock Hardchest" & "Rod Ironmeat?'

884 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:20pm

re: #877 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, and would you like a chance to retract that?

*glare*

(-:

The plumed hats kind of... throw off the camouflage, don't you think?

885 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:22pm

re: #871 LeePro

FYI: Nothing wrong with "Xmas."

Thanks for posting that reference.

886 LeePro  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:29pm

re: #868 Walter L. Newton

Sure. I have no problem with Christmas. It's just quicker sometimes to type Xmas.

Hell, I just joined a committee that working with our Golden city council to make recommendations next year about city sponsored Christmas decorations.

And I'm on the "it's ok that the city sponsor's religious symbols on the public display" side of the issue.

And I'm an atheist, Ok?

As I said in #871, nothing wrong with Xmas.

887 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:32pm

re: #871 LeePro

FYI: Nothing wrong with "Xmas."

I am aware.

Had a friend with the name Xstos, pronounced Christos.

Thought it was cool.

888 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:40pm

re: #882 Ben Hur

no "Christ" no "Christmas".

(but I went into this last year)

889 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:42pm

re: #691 Desert Dog

Phoenix Airport footbath


This really pi$$es me off bigtime. And the mall of America building prayerrooms is just really stupid. Don't do anything 'religious' for Christmas but put in frickin' prayerrooms, MN has lost its mind.

890 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:45pm

re: #875 Creeping Eruption

I ate at a Thia restaurant today and had prawns.

That would be prawnographic?

891 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:48pm

Hanukah is a minor feast. Not really a big deal. Pumped up as a commercial equivalent of Xmas.

892 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:49:55pm

re: #687 debutaunt

Gold up

That's due to the fear of inflation.

893 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:50:03pm

re: #855 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NANNY STATE ALERT!

N.C. looks at taxing drivers by the mile

New York apparently has a secret plan to reduce population density apparently. Tax them until they leave the state. That can be the only explanation for taxes like this and the "fat tax".

The government taxes the auto industry and forces them to increase milage, then states slap the drivers in order to make up for lost revenue on gas taxes. incredible. lol

894 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:50:33pm

re: #883 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Any MST3K fans remember the name of the episode where the movie's lead had a ridiculously "manly" name like "Clint McStone" & for the rest of the movie, the guys would shout out even more ridiculously "manly" names like "Rock Hardchest" & "Rod Ironmeat?'

Space Mutiny

895 Timbre  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:51:15pm

This shoe-throwing thing has been nagging my soul. Perhaps we could convince Boeing to start building thousands of B-17s, B-24s, and B-29s to rain down millions of fashionable shoes on every Islamist town, city, and province in the world. We could do follow-up sorties with socks, stockings, and arch supports for those really recalcitrant spots. What a political statement and humanitarianism simultaneously!

896 midwestgak  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:51:25pm

bbl

897 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:51:39pm

re: #799 Ben Hur

So, David J Shwartz.

Maddof?

Yes or no?

madoff's approach was that of an understated, calm guy who inspired trust in those he met. he did not come on strong.
he was a master ponzi schemer. he had the ability to make people want him.
to seek him out.
he alluded to great possibilities for performance and left it up to people's natural instinct of greed to magnify what that meant, in their own minds.
he would even turn people away, which made them try harder to get in.
madoff would have been a success at any grifter scheme. he could have done the "paint your barn for the paint"scam. or the pigeon drop at times square.
he seems like a nice easy going person, not a salesman.
it's all abt. how he is going to do something for YOU.
he is a pro at hustling on the top tier of the pyramid game.

898 Solomon2  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:52:02pm

What is an "upding"?

899 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:52:33pm

re: #898 Solomon2

You'll know it when you feel it...

LOL.

900 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:52:38pm

re: #894 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thank you! I'm putting it at the top of my Netflix Q!

901 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:52:46pm

There! I just dinged you up!

902 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:53:04pm

re: #883 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Any MST3K fans remember the name of the episode where the movie's lead had a ridiculously "manly" name like "Clint McStone" & for the rest of the movie, the guys would shout out even more ridiculously "manly" names like "Rock Hardchest" & "Rod Ironmeat?'

Yes, and I believe it was First Spaceship on Venus.

903 gclaghorn  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:53:23pm

re: #898 Solomon2

What is an "upding"?

When somebody clicks the green plus button on your comment, signifying approval.

904 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:53:43pm

re: #891 lifeofthemind

It's all about JOOO WARRIORS, light over darkness, yadda yadda, you attacked us, but we beat you MoFos back WE WIN LET'S EAT.

905 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:54:10pm

re: #827 Kenneth

I found the best-toy-ever for parents with small kids who are fussy eaters (is there any other kind?)

...in fact, I'm getting one for me too!

I've found the best thing for fussy eaters is hunger.

906 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:54:12pm

re: #894 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Space Mutiny

You are right. I am wrong.

I am filled with shame.

907 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:54:18pm

Pumped up or pimped up?

PIMP MY CHANUKAH, BABY!

908 Ron Paul  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:54:21pm

re: #877 pre-Boomer Marine brat he must pronounce Perth "Perff"

909 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:54:30pm

re: #838 ggt

all my bank credit cards have increased my limits--some of them have been doubled.

wishful thinking on their part?

You must have a very good credit rating.

910 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:54:53pm

re: #884 Occasional Reader

The plumed hats kind of... throw off the camouflage, don't you think?

*rolls eyes*
*shrugs at obvious provincialism*

That's the red hackle.

*gives up the fight against colossal ignorance*

/*chuckle*

911 Solomon2  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:54:56pm

Got it! :)

912 maddogg  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:55:14pm

I never bought into the asteroid theory, so I think these findings are important.

913 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:55:22pm

re: #900 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Thank you! I'm putting it at the top of my Netflix Q!

Why wait? I got it here.

914 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:55:29pm

re: #890 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That would be prawnographic?

Well, I did have a foodgasm

915 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:55:48pm

Crow: [the macho names they invent for the films hero] Slab bulkhead!
Tom Servo: Bridge Largemeat!
Mike Nelson: Punt Speedchunk!
Crow: Butch Deadlift!
Crow: Bald Bigplank!
Mike Nelson: Splint Chesthair!
Mike Nelson: Flint Ironstag!
Crow: Bulk Vanderhuge!
Mike Nelson: Thick Mcrunfast!
Crow: Buff Drinklots!
Tom Servo: Slunk Slabchest!
Crow: Fist Rockbone!
Mike Nelson: Stomp Beefmob!
Tom Servo: Smash Lampjaw!
Crow: Punch Rockgroin!
Mike Nelson: Buck Plankchest!
Crow: Stump Chokmen!
Tom Servo: Dirk Hardpeck!
Mike Nelson: Rip Steakface!
Tom Servo: Crud Bonemeal!
Mike Nelson: Brick Hardmeat!
Crow: Rip Slabcheek!
Tom Servo: Bob Johnson! No wait...
Mike Nelson: Smoke Man Muscle!
Mike Nelson: Gristle McThornbody!

916 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:56:51pm

re: #847 astronmr20

I paid off my last credit card about 3 weeks ago. So glad. never again. Ever. For any reason. For emergencies, I'm building a cash fund and leaving that alone only for emergencies. that will be my "credit card."

Good for you.

Best feeling I ever had was when I paid off my house early some years ago.

Getting rid of that mortgage payment every month made a big difference in my life.

917 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:57:00pm

Curses! Space Mutiny is unavailable on DVD!

918 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:57:34pm

re: #917 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Curses! Space Mutiny is unavailable on DVD!

See 913, watched it last night.

919 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:57:47pm

re: #917 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Curses! Space Mutiny is unavailable on DVD!

I'll bet you can get all or most of the ep on Youtube, for free. In parts, of course.

920 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:58:29pm

re: #805 yochanan

Habnuyah-yes...

922 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:58:46pm

re: #915 Occasional Reader

Thank you for that. I needed it!

923 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:59:30pm

re: #799 Ben Hur

Possible. LOL.

924 3 wood  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 1:59:47pm

re: #866 debutaunt

How can I be protected other than buying gold?

I'd keep my cash in shot term insured CD's and be ready to get back into the market in a well diversified portfolio or mutual fund when you feel the corner has turned. These dropping costs will translate into very high profit numbers for some businesses eventually.

That's one reason why I keep doing these updates, is to keep the lizards as informed as possible.

925 WriterMom  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:00:06pm

re: #897 nyc redneck

Massive criminal POS schmuck.

926 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:01:06pm

re: #921 WrathofG-d

"Israel's Best Friend" George W. Bush To Tie Israel's Hands Indefinitely?

I think someone upthread posted an article on this. I got the impression that the vote was today and passed. I could be very wrong. But in answer to your question, yes.

927 ashan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:01:11pm

re: #921 WrathofG-d

"Israel's Best Friend" George W. Bush To Tie Israel's Hands Indefinitely?

Yep. That's why Bush rushed back to the White House for a Chanuka party - covering his tracks and letting Clueless Condi do the talking.

928 gregg  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:02:25pm

re: #892 3 wood

I'm guessing the action by the Fed wasn't good for the U.S. dollar.

929 gmsc  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:04:03pm

Gotta love the news stations . . .

"Our Top Story Today: The latest developmens on the shoe-throwing incident in Iraq! Online games of it now available! Plus, we'll tell you what brand of shoes were used, and where you can get the best price on them just before the holidays! We'll have this and other exciting shoe developments throughout our newscast!

(Oh, and Adam Walsh's murder has officially been solved, and the stock market surged 360 points after the government took key interest rates to an all-time record low, but there aren't any shoes involved in those minor stories, so you don't really have to worry about them.)

930 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:04:17pm

re: #926 Creeping Eruption

re: #927 ashan

With "best friends" like these...I would have preferred Kerry on these issues. With Kerry, at least people would have been aware of what was going on, and possibly fought it.

931 ggt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:05:27pm

later Lizards!

932 Kenneth  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:06:12pm

Cheney Defends Waterboarding: "It's Remarkably Successful" (Video)

Nutroot's. Heads. Explode.

About time somebody speaks frankly without apology for defending the country from Al Qaeda terrorists.

933 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:08:25pm

re: #927 ashan

re: #926 Creeping Eruption

THE PHASED PLAN is going according to plan.

In the October 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Arab states launched a surprise attack against Israel on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar. Once again they tried to eliminate Israel, further motivated this time by the desire to redeem their honor after their major defeat in the 1967 Six-Day War. Though Israel was initially caught off guard, it then regrouped and repelled the Arab attack, but not before incurring heavy casualties.

The war convinced the Arabs that they would not be able to destroy Israel militarily within its post-1967 boundaries. Thus they embarked upon a new three-stage strategy for Israel's destruction, embodied in the PLO's 1974 decision commonly known as the Phased Plan (the text of which is below).

The plan in brief:

Through the "armed struggle" (i.e., terrorism), to establish an "independent combatant national authority" over any territory that is "liberated" from Israeli rule. (Article 2)
To continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations. (Article 4)
To provoke an all-out war in which Israel's Arab neighbors destroy it entirely ("liberate all Palestinian territory"). (Article 8)
Today, the Phased Plan remains relevant. Speaking just after the 1993 revelation of the Israel-PLO accord, PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat announced that the historic agreement "will be a basis for an independent Palestinian state in accordance with the Palestine National Council resolution issued in 1974... The PNC resolution issued in 1974 calls for the establishment of a national authority on any part of Palestinian soil from which Israel withdraws or which is liberated." (Radio Monte Carlo, 1 September 1993)

It is worth noting that the PLO's term for the self-rule council now in place in Gaza and the West Bank is the "Palestinian National Authority," echoing the language of the Phased Plan.

Also note that Articles 5-6 call for a revolution in Jordan to establish a new Jordanian regime which will ally itself with the Palestinian National Authority. Historically, Jordan comprised the bulk of the Palestine territory, and a majority of its residents are of Palestinian origin. The PLO has never recognized the legitimacy of Kingdom of Jordan as a state independent of Palestine.

934 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:09:19pm

re: #903 gclaghorn

When somebody clicks the green plus button on your comment, signifying approval.

The downding is a Blago.

935 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:10:15pm

re: #934 debutaunt

The downding is a Blago.

and a going downding is a "clinton"

936 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:10:36pm

re: #855 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NANNY STATE ALERT!

N.C. looks at taxing drivers by the mile

They are considering that here in Mass. too. There has been talk of outfitting cars with GPS devices to record miles logged.

937 WrathofG-d  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:11:18pm

re: #936 CapeCoddah

They are considering that here in Mass. too. There has been talk of outfitting cars with GPS devices to record miles logged.

oh fun. Nanny State & Big Brother.

938 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:14:50pm

re: #924 3 wood

I'd keep my cash in shot term insured CD's and be ready to get back into the market in a well diversified portfolio or mutual fund when you feel the corner has turned. These dropping costs will translate into very high profit numbers for some businesses eventually.

That's one reason why I keep doing these updates, is to keep the lizards as informed as possible.

I'm concerned about the Obama inflationarama to come.

939 jcm  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:22:46pm

re: #860 Ben Hur

Tour bus driver had 22 prior convictions in traffic offenses

The problem with Scotland is that it is filled with Scots.

/Lionheart.

Doesn't say if the driver was killed.
25 counts of negligent homicide.

940 kcladderman  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:37:31pm

re: #905 father_of_10

I've found the best thing for fussy eaters is hunger.

Yea my wife was always worried about our boy being a fussy eater when he was 3. I always told her in the history of man I think it is safe to say no one has ever starved to death while sitting in front of a plate of food.

941 Dianna  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:50:18pm

re: #887 Ben Hur

I am aware.

Had a friend with the name Xstos, pronounced Christos.

Thought it was cool.

I met a kid named "Zero" by his parents. Really.

942 gmsc  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 2:54:08pm

re: #941 Dianna

I met a kid named "Zero" by his parents. Really.

You've met the President-elect?

943 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 3:43:55pm

re: #672 lifeofthemind

re: #605 MagnaniomousCoward

Both Scientology and Islam depend on having a host society to feed off. Islam's problem is that it expanded so rapidly and was so violent and hostile that killed off or crippled the host. Scientology has not as far as I know aspired to violence or advocated mass anti-Semitism as State policy.

Interesting observation, especially with something pyramid-scheme structured like Scientology.

I don't think Scientology has been violent beyond hitting and shoving people they disagree with, and a few ex-members going postal after feeling scammed, but they do have some pretty disturbing source texts from Hubbard about how undesireble people like homosexuals and critiscs should be "disposed of quietly and without sorrow". If you wanted to be very critical, there are the seeds there of an eugenics-like society, if they get to take over the world as they say they want.

The there's that R2-45 auditing technique which means getting shot in the head. As far as I know it's only been used for suicides, and to publish a couple assassination orders in their magazines, but those orders were never carried out.

It must be a sticky situation if you put out an assassination order on somebody and he dies in an accident. Heh.

I don't think Scientology is an apocalyptic cult like Heaven's Gate, Aum or certain Christian-based cults, so I don't think - for all their creepy infiltration attempts - that they'll end up committing mass murder.

Radical islamism manages to do mass murder and their belifes are indeed apocalyptic.


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