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Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.

H. G. Wells

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1 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:28pm

Catastrophe is winning.

2 GopManHatTanIte  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:26:34pm

Good Evening

3 gmsc  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:20pm

re: #1 stuiec

Catastrophe is winning.

Catastrophe is winning a few battles. It won't win the war.

4 GopManHatTanIte  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:51pm

Catastrophy is always winning...but we are all still here

5 Steve  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:27:55pm

I love history and herstory. Especially since I married her;-)

6 Karridine  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:28:15pm

Open thread from the sundrenched suburbs of Bangkok...

Heidi, y'all...

7 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:30:55pm

There are a lot of books by HG Wells that I haven't read yet.

And I don't believe I've read any of the short stories!

8 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:31:25pm

re: #1 stuiec

Not if we choose to let it. Catastrophe is a state, but we can use that state to advance ourselves. Stasis is death, but chaos is life. And catastrophe is a form of chaos. You just chose to ride the edge that is all.

9 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:31:57pm

This was asked for earlier in the day;

MST3K Space Mutiny

Just hit play all on the right hand side.

And yes, they stole the special effects from the original BSG

10 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:25pm

re: #3 gmsc

Catastrophe is winning a few battles. It won't win the war.

Catastrophe is guaranteed to win the war, because it will swallow up the battlefield and everyone on it. Eventually.

11 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:36pm

re: #9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What's BSG?

12 gmsc  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:32:37pm

I'm happy! I found a documentary online today all about one of my personal idols: Martin Gardner.

If you know who he is, you're already watching it. If you don't know who he is, go and watch it!

13 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:33:34pm

re: #8 BlueCanuck

Not if we choose to let it. Catastrophe is a state, but we can use that state to advance ourselves. Stasis is death, but chaos is life. And catastrophe is a form of chaos. You just chose to ride the edge that is all.

The only thing that will ultimately trump catastrophe is entropy.

14 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:34:21pm

ignorance is bliss, and i'm surrounded by happy people.

(my money's on the cat... %-)

15 gmsc  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:34:31pm

re: #9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This was asked for earlier in the day;

MST3K Space Mutiny

Just hit play all on the right hand side.

And yes, they stole the special effects from the original BSG

Here's the short version, containing just the names given to the hero by Mike and the bots.

16 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:34:50pm

re: #11 gop_patriot

What's BSG?

Battlestar Galactica

17 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:34:59pm

re: #8 BlueCanuck

Not if we choose to let it. Catastrophe is a state, but we can use that state to advance ourselves. Stasis is death, but chaos is life. And catastrophe is a form of chaos. You just chose to ride the edge that is all.

Murphy was an optimist.

18 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:35:32pm

re: #14 redc1c4

ignorance is bliss, and i'm surrounded by happy people.

(my money's on the cat... %-)

It also brings up the question: why did the taxidermist mount the wrong end of the cat on the plaque anyhow?

19 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:36:55pm

Things aren't always the way they seem.
But, they usually are.
Goodnight, Lizards!

20 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:04pm

re: #18 stuiec

It also brings up the question: why did the taxidermist mount the wrong end of the cat on the plaque anyhow?

he didn't know he was being filmed by a security camera?

/white smoke

21 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:37:37pm

re: #16 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Battlestar Galactica

Thanks. I remember watching that show. LOL

22 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:38:27pm

re: #21 gop_patriot

Thanks. I remember watching that show. LOL

i member *not* watching it...

23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:39:12pm

Why you NEVER want libturds running your state or city (Like, oh, maybe New York): All they're good at is raising taxes on everything-

An "iPod tax" that charges state and local sales tax for "digitally delivered entertainment services" - in other words, that new song you download.

State sales tax at movie theaters, sporting events, taxis, buses, limousines and cable and satellite TV and radio.

Costlier driving with the repeal of the 8-cents-per-gallon sales tax cap on motor and diesel motor fuel, plus and increase in the auto rental tax.

Tuition increases at SUNY and CUNY, $620 and $600 a year respectively.

A 50 cent tax on cigars. The current tax is equal to 37% of the wholesale price, or 34 cents a cigar.

No more sales tax break on clothes and shoes worth $110 or less, except during two weeks a year.

Higher taxes on wine, beer and flavored malt beverages. He would also impose an 18% tax on non-nutritional drinks like soda.

The rich would pay more for luxury items through an additional 5% tax imposed on cars costing more than $60,000, aircraft costing more than $500,000, yachts costing at least $200,000 and jewelry and furs costing in excess of $20,000.

In addition, a host of a fees, including those related to motor vehicle licensing and registration, parks and auto insurance, would go up, as would various state-imposed fines.

24 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:40:31pm

was talking with the local Fire dept today... the Bn Chief vehicle crew, and it seems that someone is spending tax $ to come up with a plan for the complete evacuation of the greater LA basin... everybody.

WTF?

25 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:44pm

re: #23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

quit buying stuff, and see how long that lasts...

26 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:51pm

The Wells quote reminds me of the joke about the two hunters who come across a set of tracks in the woods. The first hunter says, "Ah! Moose tracks!"

The second hunter says, "Are you blind? Those are bear tracks!"

"Moose tracks!"

"Bear tracks!"

They might have kept up arguing for hours, if they hadn't both been run over by the train.

Al Gore wants you to agree with him that they're bear tracks. He ignores the train that's building up a head of steam under Yellowstone Lake -- one of many trains barreling down upon us from various quarters of both the globe and the cosmos.

27 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:41:59pm

re: #24 redc1c4

Education for catastrophe?

28 gmsc  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:02pm

re: #16 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Battlestar Galactica

When the new show came out, many of the original-style cylons were put out of work. Sure, there were a few who had success in other areas of show business, but most did not wind up well.

29 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:14pm

Can't wait for Metallica tomorrow!

30 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:44:49pm

re: #24 redc1c4

was talking with the local Fire dept today... the Bn Chief vehicle crew, and it seems that someone is spending tax $ to come up with a plan for the complete evacuation of the greater LA basin... everybody.

WTF?

You never saw Night of the Comet?

31 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:45:47pm

re: #25 redc1c4

quit buying stuff, and see how long that lasts...

Actually, the article quoted one GOP lawmaker who said they're just driving people to go to Jersey and buy their goods. You would think they'd know they're overtaxed when you have to drive from one highly-taxed state run by libs to another highly-taxed state run by libs to save a few bucks.

32 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:45:56pm

re: #22 redc1c4

i member *not* watching it...

Ha! Yes it was totally cheesy, but I was eleven years old- my little brother was 8, and he loved it. So we watched it on our one TV when it came on. lol ;)

33 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:47:04pm

re: #22 redc1c4

i member *not* watching it...

felger karb

34 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:47:10pm

re: #23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Why you NEVER want libturds running your state or city (Like, oh, maybe New York): All they're good at is raising taxes on everything-

An "iPod tax" that charges state and local sales tax for "digitally delivered entertainment services" - in other words, that new song you download.

State sales tax at movie theaters, sporting events, taxis, buses, limousines and cable and satellite TV and radio.

Costlier driving with the repeal of the 8-cents-per-gallon sales tax cap on motor and diesel motor fuel, plus and increase in the auto rental tax.

Tuition increases at SUNY and CUNY, $620 and $600 a year respectively.

A 50 cent tax on cigars. The current tax is equal to 37% of the wholesale price, or 34 cents a cigar.

No more sales tax break on clothes and shoes worth $110 or less, except during two weeks a year.

Higher taxes on wine, beer and flavored malt beverages. He would also impose an 18% tax on non-nutritional drinks like soda.

The rich would pay more for luxury items through an additional 5% tax imposed on cars costing more than $60,000, aircraft costing more than $500,000, yachts costing at least $200,000 and jewelry and furs costing in excess of $20,000.

In addition, a host of a fees, including those related to motor vehicle licensing and registration, parks and auto insurance, would go up, as would various state-imposed fines.

guess it hasn't occurred to the legislators to actually cut spending?

35 Steffan  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:47:30pm

re: #7 gop_patriot

There are a lot of books by HG Wells that I haven't read yet.

And I don't believe I've read any of the short stories!

Just so you'll know, Jonah Goldberg says in his book Liberal Fascism that H.G. Wells is the one who conceived the concept of "Liberal Fascism."

Check out his fiction. He was a great beliver in the State as Keeper and Nurturer. He was a Nanny Statist.

36 gmsc  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:48:13pm

re: #33 stuiec

felger karb

That's feldercarb!

37 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:48:35pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

Education for catastrophe?

the logistical nightmare of even trying to get everyone out in an orderly fashion, let alone where/how are you going to house, feed, water, sewage everyone is ridiculous... the sheer number of people, and the fact that there are only a few ways out, due to physical choke points, not to mention the distance to the next habitable area (other than the San Joaquin Valley) makes this, IMHO, folly beyond folly.

i neglected to ask what scenario they were planning on, but if it's NBC, it's all the dumber, because we're on the ocean, so the only way out is north, unless you want to stay in the plume, and the only routes are the 101 & the 5...

might as well just DIP: you're likely to have more survivors that way.

38 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:50:06pm

re: #34 Outrider

They said they're going to lay off 521 people. Now, how many thousands of employees work loaf for the state of New York doing absolutely nothing? And they can only find 521 to lay off?

39 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:50:08pm

re: #36 gmsc

That's feldercarb!

Nuh-uh! Is not!

40 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:50:45pm

re: #33 stuiec

felger karb

even if i had asked to, my beloved mother would have found something else she *had* to watch at the same time, even if it was a rerun.

i learned not to ask to watch TV... or anything else.

41 redc1c4  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:17pm

re: #38 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

They said they're going to lay off 521 people. Now, how many thousands of employees work loaf for the state of New York doing absolutely nothing? And they can only find 521 to lay off?

those are the one's they caught w*rking... %-)

42 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:51:39pm

re: #35 Steffan

Just so you'll know, Jonah Goldberg says in his book Liberal Fascism that H.G. Wells is the one who conceived the concept of "Liberal Fascism."

Check out his fiction. He was a great beliver in the State as Keeper and Nurturer. He was a Nanny Statist.

Wings Over the World, my friends! And Raymond Massey shall lead us!

43 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:38pm

re: #40 redc1c4

even if i had asked to, my beloved mother would have found something else she *had* to watch at the same time, even if it was a rerun.

i learned not to ask to watch TV... or anything else.

Hmmm... sounds like there could be residual tension at your family gatherings...

44 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:52:46pm

re: #9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Wow, the little fighter ships and the jet/flame thing coming out of it look the same. And weren't the Cylon ships flat like those "enemy" ships? Or am I imagining. It's been years since I've watched Battlestar Galactica.
They seem to be trying to copy Star Wars, too- but there's no chance of them pulling that off. ha.

/why are those women wearing those hideous "bathing suits"? ugh. LOL

45 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:53:43pm

re: #35 Steffan

Just so you'll know, Jonah Goldberg says in his book Liberal Fascism that H.G. Wells is the one who conceived the concept of "Liberal Fascism."

Check out his fiction. He was a great beliver in the State as Keeper and Nurturer. He was a Nanny Statist.

Didn't know that! I will definitely be looking for that as I read more of his work. Thanks.

46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:54:09pm

re: #42 stuiec

Wings Over the World

Excellent Paul McCartney album!

47 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:54:26pm

re: #9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Roger Corman made a Star Wars rip-off called Battle Beyond the Stars. Featured a spaceship shaped vaguely like a nude woman.

48 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:54:48pm

re: #38 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

They said they're going to lay off 521 people. Now, how many thousands of employees work loaf for the state of New York doing absolutely nothing? And they can only find 521 to lay off?

I'm more than sure there is spending that can be cut without layoffs. Government managers always start off cutting the things that will piss people off or get sympathy.

But personally I'm tired of the mindset that government can save money by getting rid of "them lazyassed government employees". All the government employees I know, whether city, county, state or fed are all hard working men and women that earn their pay. ;-)>

49 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:05pm

*mutter mutter* stupid tags *mutter mutter*. Trying to set up some livejournal galleries I have. Think I made a small mess but here's what I am putting up there.

50 stuiec  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:15pm

re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Excellent Paul McCartney album!

Oddly enough, Paul McCartney was not one of the predicted Things to Come.

51 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:55:51pm

re: #49 BlueCanuck

*mutter mutter* stupid tags *mutter mutter*. Trying to set up some livejournal galleries I have. Think I made a small mess but here's what I am putting up there.

Very nice!

52 Kragar  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:00pm

re: #47 stuiec

With "John Boy" Walton, George Peppard and Robert Vaughn, IIRC. Plot was a Sci-fi rip off of Seven Samurai

53 Outrider  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:25pm

re: #49 BlueCanuck

*mutter mutter* stupid tags *mutter mutter*. Trying to set up some livejournal galleries I have. Think I made a small mess but here's what I am putting up there.

nice so far

54 winston06  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:56:37pm

i am staying up to watch the Red Eye on fox news.

Charles, they should have you on Red Eye. ;-)

55 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:57:43pm

re: #12 gmsc

Ugh, it would have to be hosted by Canadian Moonbat extrodinaire David Suzuki. :p

56 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:57:52pm

Well I can't keep my eyes open any longer. Hope everyone has a great evening/night/morning!

Goodnight. :)

57 Silvergirl  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:57:52pm

re: #9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This was asked for earlier in the day;

MST3K Space Mutiny

Just hit play all on the right hand side.

And yes, they stole the special effects from the original BSG

I have seen Space Mutiny so many times I know much of the dialogue. My husband and son sat and laughed their way through it multiple times before I got interested. The reason I paid attention is when I thought I recognized John Phillip Law, and amazingly, yes that was him! He played that handsome Russian in The Russians are Coming, and the angel in Barbarella. You know he died earlier this year. What a strange role he had in Space Mutiny. "Calgon (Kalgan) take me away!"

58 gmsc  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:59:36pm

re: #55 BlueCanuck

Ugh, it would have to be hosted by Canadian Moonbat extrodinaire David Suzuki. :p

Yeah, I know, but it's still worth watching despite Suzuki.

59 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Dec 16, 2008 11:59:47pm

re: #49 BlueCanuck

*mutter mutter* stupid tags *mutter mutter*. Trying to set up some livejournal galleries I have. Think I made a small mess but here's what I am putting up there.

That's a great pic!

60 Kragar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:00:17am

re: #57 Silvergirl

I have seen Space Mutiny so many times I know much of the dialogue. My husband and son sat and laughed their way through it multiple times before I got interested. The reason I paid attention is when I thought I recognized John Phillip Law, and amazingly, yes that was him! He played that handsome Russian in The Russians are Coming, and the angel in Barbarella. You know he died earlier this year. What a strange role he had in Space Mutiny. "Calgon (Kalgan) take me away!"

He was also the lead in the last filmed MST3K Diabolik

61 LynnfromNZ  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:00:18am

Oh come on. Nazi Germany combined both perfectly.

62 William  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:01:00am

Some wacko named his kids the following:

Adolf Hitler Campbell
JoyceLynn Aryan Nation
Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie



Happy birthday, Adolf Hitler! Boy with nazi leader's name denied ShopRite cake

BY LARRY MCSHANE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Tuesday, December 16th 2008, 5:27 PM

This Hitler youth is blond-haired, blue-eyed and just turned three.

Adolf Hitler Campbell is the middle child of three kids given Nazi-themed names by their parents, including a dad who denies the Holocaust occurred and decorates his home with swastikas.

"They're just names, you know," father Heath Campbell told the Easton Express-Times. "Yeah, they (the Nazis) were bad people back then. But my kids are little. They're not going to grow up like that."

Adolf has two sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie. The latter, just eight months old, was named for Nazi leader Heinrich Himmler.

The bizarre names came to public attention after a local ShopRite declined to provide the Holland Township, N.J., family with a cake inscribed "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler."

"Other kids get their cake," Campbell complained. "I get a hard time. It's not fair to my children. How can a name be offensive?"

The kids are growing up in a home festooned with a swastika in every room. The father wears boots that once belonged to a Nazi soldier, and claims a relative was a member of Hitler's feared Schutzstaffel.

The parents insist they are not racist, although they don't believe in mingling the races.

And Heath Campbell claims he doesn't understand why people are shocked when they hear his son's full name.

Someone give him a history book.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

63 LynnfromNZ  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:01:08am

re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Never heard that one, you mean wings over america? Did they do a world tour album too?

64 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:01:59am

re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Excellent Paul McCartney album!

Actually, my bad- The live album was called "Wings Over America" from the "Wings Over The World" tour.

65 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:02:54am

re: #63 LynnfromNZ

Never heard that one, you mean wings over america? Did they do a world tour album too?

Yep, see my #64.

66 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:03:00am

re: #51 gop_patriot

re: #53 Outrider

re: #59 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks all. Took a bit of time just before work to do some experimentation with the colour settings on the camera. Colour, black and white, and of course you have seen the sepia/monochrome.

67 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:04:47am

re: #37 redc1c4

I was just trying to tie it in to the quote, but I understand.

68 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:05:52am

re: #63 LynnfromNZ

What is the reason you chose your avatar, Lynn? I'm just wondering.

69 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:06:17am

Little pigs little pigs! Let me come in!

Boohohahahahaha! :D

70 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:06:31am

re: #15 gmsc

Here's the short version, containing just the names given to the hero by Mike and the bots.

Excellent. Thanks for the link, and the memories. My favorites are Thick McRun Fast, Gristle McThornbody, and Big McLarge Huge.

71 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:06:39am
How can a name be offensive?

Uh... when it belongs to one the most racist, genocidal maniacs of the last century?

72 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:08:54am

re: #69 Boogberg

Little pigs little pigs! Let me come in!

Boohohahahahaha! :D

Three Little Pigs - Green Jelly style!

73 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:09:03am

re: #69 Boogberg

Little pigs little pigs! Let me come in!

Boohohahahahaha! :D

OMG, that scene still gives me the creeps.

74 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:09:24am

Here's my son, John Pol Pot Smith. What's that look for? His sister's name is Mao-ria Stalina. What's the problem?

/idiots

75 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:10:24am

Booberg, you have a reply below...;~)

76 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:13:44am

re: #74 Sharmuta

Here's my son, John Pol Pot Smith. What's that look for? His sister's name is Mao-ria Stalina. What's the problem?

/idiots

How about Jim Pol Pot Jones? 2 for the price of 1!

77 Kragar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:15:02am

re: #74 Sharmuta

Here's my son, John Pol Pot Smith. What's that look for? His sister's name is Mao-ria Stalina. What's the problem?

/idiots

They can play with my daughters, Lucretia Borgia and Elizabeth Bathory.

78 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:17:06am

re: #75 Salamantis

Booberg, you have a reply below...;~)

Cool! Let's go see...

79 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:17:38am

re: #77 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yes- and that nice boy down the street, Benito Fidel.

80 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:18:20am

A little oriental boy was attending a new school on his first day. The teacher asked him what his name was.

"H. S. Mao", he replied.

"And what do your initials stand for, Master Mao?"

The little boy fidgeted uncomfortably. "Hitler Stalin", he replied.

Both the teacher and his classmates gasped. "If you don't mind me getting too personal, H-Hitler, why on earth woud your parents choose such a name for you?"

"Well, teacher, my parents didn't want a kid right then - they weren't even married at the time - but they don't believe in abortion, so when their birth control failed, and Mom got pregnant, they had to get married unexpectedly, right away, or catch hell from my grandparents, and they were massively pissed."

81 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:21:20am

re: #47 stuiec

Roger Corman made a Star Wars rip-off called Battle Beyond the Stars. Featured a spaceship shaped vaguely like a nude woman.

It also managed to rip off The Magnificent Seven.

82 yochanan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:25:13am

GAS meet MATCH (no i am not talking about Gov'r Palin church.)

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

83 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:26:55am

re: #82 yochanan

GAS meet MATCH (no i am not talking about Gov'r Palin church.)

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Charles has already posted that essay, yoch. He considered it to be threadworthy.

84 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:28:03am

re: #43 stuiec

Hmmm... sounds like there could be residual tension at your family gatherings...

what gatherings?

everyone has 2 families: the one you're born to, and the one you choose.

i get along with the 2nd one just fine. %-)

85 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:30:39am

re: #60 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

He was also the lead in the last filmed MST3K Diabolik

Ah. I didn't know about that one. I watched parts 2 and 3 of your link. I'll need to save that for a future showing. So he was in that about 20 years before Space Mutiny.

86 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:31:17am

re: #83 Salamantis

I thought it was an interview with the author that was posted

87 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:33:04am

re: #81 SurferDoc

It also managed to rip off The Magnificent Seven.

but who ripped off your pants?

88 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:33:55am

re: #86 Sharmuta

I thought it was an interview with the author that was posted

Yeah, you're right...but it says much the same thing:

[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

89 stuiec  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:34:52am

re: #52 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yes indeed. (Or The Magnificent Seven, if you will.)

90 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:35:28am

I posted this earlier today in the Palin church-burning thread, and then later tonight I found a picture of the father. I'm really glued to this case, but maybe it's too heavy for late night fare.

Like Father, Like Son

91 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:35:35am

well, since they won't let me name my son "Sue" i guess i'll have to settle for
Drt Che

92 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:35:55am

re: #91 redc1c4

well, since they won't let me name my son "Sue" i guess i'll have to settle for
Drt Che

the second will be Art Che

93 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:36:21am

re: #87 redc1c4

but who ripped off your pants?

They haven't made the pants that can hold me yet.

94 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:36:54am

re: #90 Silvergirl

I posted this earlier today in the Palin church-burning thread, and then later tonight I found a picture of the father. I'm really glued to this case, but maybe it's too heavy for late night fare.

Like Father, Like Son

too bad they didn't actively resist arrest...

/simplifies things.

95 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:37:36am

re: #93 SurferDoc

They haven't made the pants that can hold me yet.

you sure? Spandex comes in pretty big sheets... check any Walmart.

/white smoke

96 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:38:16am

re: #93 SurferDoc

They haven't made the pants that can hold me yet.

Sing the praises of pants!

97 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:38:28am

Btw: I figured that joke would probably cost me karma points, but I didn't care; I'm outrageous and irreverent that way sometimes. I don't post to be popular (or even to be provocative); I post what drops in on my mind from what I read here - like it or not (and some of you obviously didn't).

Sorry if some folks' sacred oxen got sideswiped...;~)

98 stuiec  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:40:58am

re: #92 redc1c4

the second will be Art Che

The second one should be Two Che.

99 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:41:59am

re: #97 Salamantis

Btw: I figured that joke would probably cost me karma points, but I didn't care; I'm outrageous and irreverent that way sometimes. I don't post to be popular (or even to be provocative); I post what drops in on my mind from what I read here - like it or not (and some of you obviously didn't).

Sorry if some folks' sacred oxen got sideswiped...;~)

no worries about the ox: the grill is always fired up on the LNDT:
sacred cows/oxen or gamey buttocks, it's all the same to us.

/pretty sure you're ahead on points, btw, but this round of drinks is on you. %-)

100 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:44:00am

re: #98 stuiec

The second one should be Two Che.

that would be the third son...

Dead Right There
Assuming Room Temperature
(exquisitely bad pun)

to bad we're not going to be having any kids in this house...

(other than my beloved boys)

101 stuiec  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:44:40am

re: #90 Silvergirl

I posted this earlier today in the Palin church-burning thread, and then later tonight I found a picture of the father. I'm really glued to this case, but maybe it's too heavy for late night fare.

Like Father, Like Son

Now I expect Bill Ayers to offer both of them associate professorships at his college, or at least foundation board seats. After all, they are merely carrying on his struggle by targeting bombs against symbols of the power structure. (The only difference is that Ayers's bombs didn't go off in the presence of police officers -- except possibly that one at the Park Presidio police station in San Francisco.)

Maybe this pair took to heart Ayers's plaint that "we didn't do enough."

102 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:46:47am

re: #90 Silvergirl

I'm more than a little disappointed that the two didn't have some sort of 'workplace accident'...

103 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:46:52am

re: #101 stuiec

Now I expect Bill Ayers to offer both of them associate professorships at his college, or at least foundation board seats. After all, they are merely carrying on his struggle by targeting bombs against symbols of the power structure. (The only difference is that Ayers's bombs didn't go off in the presence of police officers -- except possibly that one at the Park Presidio police station in San Francisco.)

Maybe this pair took to heart Ayers's plaint that "we didn't do enough."

Let's hope they don't give the wife-abusing, father-threatening, kid-tazering, drunk-in-the-patrol-car ex-brother-in-law deputy the lead assignment in the case...

104 stuiec  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:48:17am

re: #103 Salamantis

Let's hope they don't give the wife-abusing, father-threatening, kid-tazering, drunk-in-the-patrol-car ex-brother-in-law deputy the lead assignment in the case...

You must be thinking of the Wasilla church arson. Silvergirl and I were discussing the fatal bank bombing in Oregon.

105 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:49:50am

re: #104 stuiec

You must be thinking of the Wasilla church arson. Silvergirl and I were discussing the fatal bank bombing in Oregon.

Oh; okay. My bad.

106 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:52:41am

China Naval Upgrades: things to worry about...

or, sometimes, not.

(at least not any time soon. %-)

107 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:53:38am

re: #103 Salamantis

You mean the guy who was in clear violation of the law several times over but still had the MSM come to bat for him?

I highly doubt the Greek or Euro press would defend the two officers who shot that kid with the molotov cocktail as enthusiastically and passionately as the alpaBet Soup networks defended Gov. Palin's ex brother-in-law.

108 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:57:18am

I hope baby Adolf grows up and marries a black girl.

109 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:59:32am
110 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:02:51am

re: #73 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG, that scene still gives me the creeps.

I'm tellin' ya. Can you frikkin' imagine? Holy crap! :D

111 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:03:54am

re: #108 Sharmuta

I hope baby Adolf grows up and marries a black girl guy.

FTFY!

112 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:05:31am

Boogberg (I got your name right this time), you have been answered again...;~)

113 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:06:32am

Since I'm still awake, I may even be around for the fruitcup! Or is that two words, fruit cup? I'll be hanging around the buffet.

114 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:06:41am

re: #111 redc1c4

Heh!

115 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:08:25am

Nite, lizards. I'm about to doze off right here at the computer.re: #110 Boogberg

I'm tellin' ya. Can you frikkin' imagine? Holy crap! :D

Great movie. Jack did a good job, as usual.

116 Karridine  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:08:51am

re: #113 Silvergirl

Its TWO hours away, Silver!

117 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:10:12am

re: #113 Silvergirl

Since I'm still awake, I may even be around for the fruitcup! Or is that two words, fruit cup? I'll be hanging around the buffet.

gonna be lonely there: we're all over at the bar...

118 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:10:36am

re: #107 Fenway_Nation

You mean the guy who was in clear violation of the law several times over but still had the MSM come to bat for him?

I highly doubt the Greek or Euro press would defend the two officers who shot that kid with the molotov cocktail as enthusiastically and passionately as the alpaBet Soup networks defended Gov. Palin's ex brother-in-law.

Never said they would. Or those two Border Patrol cops convicted and sent to prison for shooting that drug mule in the ass, either.

But Dubya can do something about that before he leaves office. Sadly, I don't think he will.

119 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:10:56am

re: #116 Karridine

Its TWO hours away, Silver!

time flies when you don't know what you're doing!

120 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:11:45am

One word. (Or, oneword.) Yeah, I know that's incorrect, but I'm an artiste! ;-)

Karridine! :-)

49 minutes away.

121 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:14:53am

re: #118 Salamantis

My first thought upon hearing the accusations against Palin's brother-in-law was something along the lines of An abusive prick who threatened to kill a Republican's family? Now there's a cop the MSM can get behind!

122 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:15:25am

re: #120 littleoldlady

One word. (Or, oneword.) Yeah, I know that's incorrect, but I'm an artiste! ;-)

Sometimes with a ™ even.

123 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:15:56am

saw this on Jawa... moonbat grants die

no great loss...

124 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:16:59am

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

My first thought upon hearing the accusations against Palin's brother-in-law was something along the lines of An abusive prick who threatened to kill a Republican's family? Now there's a cop the MSM can get behind!

and, surprisingly enough, they did!

/white smoke

125 Zzyzx  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:21:11am

Just in case it hasn't been mentioned before but YouTube has a Turner Classic Movie clip of actors, actresses and other notables that have passed away this year. Some I completely missed the news on and surprised by, but all will be missed.

126 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:25:19am

heh, going to be an interesting day here. Most Torontonians can't drive worth beans in snow, and it's been snowing all night. Got at least 6 cm's now. Maybe more in areas with drifting.

127 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:28:35am

re: #126 BlueCanuck

heh, going to be an interesting day here. Most Torontonians can't drive worth beans in snow, and it's been snowing all night. Got at least 6 cm's now. Maybe more in areas with drifting.

what is this 'snow' thing you speak of?

128 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:29:59am

re: #127 redc1c4

what is this 'snow' thing you speak of?

Still saving my pennies for that cargo lift. . . .

/white smoke, or is it snow

129 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:31:30am

We're in the middle of an ice storm.

/my personal favorite!
//NOT

My sump pump running going non-stop. All that needs to happen now to make my life absolutely perfect is for the power to go out...

/Nightmare on Elm Street...

130 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:33:20am

Running and Going.

/got coffee?

131 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:35:34am

re: #129 littleoldlady

We're in the middle of an ice storm.

/my personal favorite!
//NOT

My sump pump running going non-stop. All that needs to happen now to make my life absolutely perfect is for the power to go out...

/Nightmare on Elm Street...

since i am lucky enough to have wound up with "Gadget Grrrl" instead of "Gidget", we have a generator...

which reminds me, i need to make the prefab sound baffles i keep talking about...

that and get the cut out panel, so i can route the power through the house wires, not in the window.

132 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:36:12am

re: #128 BlueCanuck

Still saving my pennies for that cargo lift. . . .

/white smoke, or is it snow

go ahead: thermal sights lock on cold as well as hot... %-)

133 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:39:00am

Those two hours dwindled to 49 minutes in a flash!

The bar is where the fruitcup is found? Why did I think buffet? In any case, I'll be checking back since I've been dying for a taste.re: #125 Zzyzx

Just in case it hasn't been mentioned before but YouTube has a Turner Classic Movie clip of actors, actresses and other notables that have passed away this year. Some I completely missed the news on and surprised by, but all will be missed.

That was well done. I got a few chills. Right away I recognized the actor who played Lou in Chinatown ("Make a decision, Lou. You're in charge.") and didn't realize he's gone.

134 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:39:15am

re: #129 littleoldlady

We're in the middle of an ice storm.

/my personal favorite!
//NOT

My sump pump running going non-stop. All that needs to happen now to make my life absolutely perfect is for the power to go out...

/Nightmare on Elm Street...

we had one of those when i was @ Benning in my yout.

no power to the whole Battalion area for 3-4 days.

we were in bed at dark, (blankets, worthless sleeping bags, cold weather gear and all) and ate by flashlight in the mess hall...

even the Eskimos in my platoon said it was a bit cold. %-)

135 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:40:28am

re: #133 Silvergirl

don't worry about it Silver, it's Chinatown...

%-)

136 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:40:42am

I made a mess there combining two comments in one. I forgot I started that first one earlier and got distracted.

137 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:42:22am

re: #120 littleoldlady

One word. (Or, oneword.) Yeah, I know that's incorrect, but I'm an artiste! ;-)

Karridine! :-)

49 minutes away.

littleoldlady! I've been waiting for you!

I saw this comic strip, and immediately thought of you!

138 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:42:25am

re: #135 redc1c4

don't worry about it Silver, it's Chinatown...

%-)

Exactly right.

139 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:44:42am

re: #136 Silvergirl

I made a mess there combining two comments in one. I forgot I started that first one earlier and got distracted.

"Never apologize: it's a sign of weakness..."

140 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:46:33am

re: #131 redc1c4

EVERY year I say I'm going to get a generator.

/sigh

Well at least we have a fireplace, but there's nothing worse than a flooded basement.

re: #137 gmsc

AWESOME is right! :-) :-) :-)

141 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:46:56am

Fruitcup's great, but... I still want some littleoldlady brand brussel sprouts.

/a smurf can dream

142 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:47:27am

re: #138 Silvergirl

Exactly right.

that, two jakes, and Raymond Chandler's writings are my favorites...
well, them and falling down, to live and die in LA, and some others, but you get the drift...

/native son

143 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:47:55am

I haven't been around long enough to get the comic in connection with littleoldlady, but I thought of her because of her fruitcup when I was in the dentist office today looking through a Real Simple magazine that showed jello that is molded in muffin pans using those cupcake liners which you peel away and then serve the luscious looking cups. I know it was made with raspberry jello, whole berry cranberry sauce, crushed pineapple, and I don't know if there was anything else. I don't get the magazine, so I may have to improvise.

144 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:49:10am

re: #141 Sharmuta

Fruitcup's great, but... I still want some littleoldlady brand brussel sprouts.

/a smurf can dream

sorry: we fed all of them to the pigs, so that they would be edible in a month or three...

did you want bacon, ham, pulled pork or ribs from them?

/gawd help us if the flavor comes through... %-P

145 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:50:01am

re: #142 redc1c4

How about L.A. Confidential?

"A whore cut to look like Veronica lake is still a whore"

"That IS Veronica Lake"

146 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:50:10am

re: #139 redc1c4

"Never apologize: it's a sign of weakness..."

Okay, John Wayne.

147 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:50:10am

re: #143 Silvergirl

I haven't been around long enough to get the comic in connection with littleoldlady, but I thought of her because of her fruitcup when I was in the dentist office today looking through a Real Simple magazine that showed jello that is molded in muffin pans using those cupcake liners which you peel away and then serve the luscious looking cups. I know it was made with raspberry jello, whole berry cranberry sauce, crushed pineapple, and I don't know if there was anything else. I don't get the magazine, so I may have to improvise.

and yer definately gonna have to add some vodka or rum to the recipe.

148 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:50:30am

re: #144 redc1c4

I'll take ham! With littleoldlady brand brussel sprouts.

149 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:50:48am

re: #147 redc1c4

LOL

150 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:51:25am

re: #145 Fenway_Nation

How about L.A. Confidential?

"A whore cut to look like Veronica lake is still a whore"

"That IS Veronica Lake"

all of Elroy too...

figured i might be alone.

/aren't we all?

151 zombie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:51:42am

Charles has been posting some Keith Jarrett piano jazz videos recently, but I just stumbled on some Erroll Garner videos on YouTube, and I must say: nobody, and I mean nobody, can hold a candle to Erroll Garner. Just insanely, effortlessly talented and virtuosic. Keep in mind, when watching videos like "I Get a Kick Out of You," that not only did Garner never learn how to read a single note of music, but that (as you will see) he basically never looks at the keyboard when playing. Pay special close attention to the second half of the song -- when you look at his face, he seems to be just goofing around, hardly even paying attention to what his hands are doing -- while he uncorks some of the most creative improvisations ever. Just astounding.

152 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:53:38am

re: #148 Sharmuta

I'll take ham! With littleoldlady brand brussel sprouts.

i should have died many times as a child/yout, swallowing those nasty, foul tasting little stones, just so i wouldn't have to taste them more than necessary.

153 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:54:00am

re: #143 Silvergirl

You're in luck! They have a website.

/which I just found myself - YESTERDAY! :-)

That recipe sounds like something my late, great mother-in-law used to make.

/three mothers-in-law - one husband - and only one GREAT mother-in-law...
//don't ask...

154 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:54:50am

re: #152 redc1c4

More for me- yea!

155 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:55:32am

re: #154 Sharmuta

More for me- yea!

That's exactly what my family says! LOL!

156 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:57:47am

ping Zombie:

made this funny just for you on the last thread...

157 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:58:12am

re: #140 littleoldlady

EVERY year I say I'm going to get a generator.

/sigh

Well at least we have a fireplace, but there's nothing worse than a flooded basement.

re: #137 gmsc

AWESOME is right! :-) :-) :-)

I live on the Gulf Coast, in the Hurricane Belt. Three things that are essential here are 1) a huge supply of stored gasoline, so you can run your electric generator when your power goes out, 2) an electric generator housed in a massively reinforced and externally ventilated outside shed (so the carbon monoxide exhaust doesn't kill you), wired to your electrical grid by an underground line, so the downed trees don't break your generator-house connection and you can always pour gas in and power your house grid up when the hurricane downs your powerlines for beaucoup weeks, and 3) a full tank gas powered chain saw with a brand new spark plug, so when the wind dies down, you can crank it with no problems, cut your way through the downed trees out to the shed, and fuel and fire up your electric generator.

158 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:58:30am

re: #154 Sharmuta

More for me- yea!

some people will swallow anything...

159 zombie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:58:42am

re: #156 redc1c4

ping Zombie:

made this funny just for you on the last thread...

Nice pun~! I'm honored.

160 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:59:55am

re: #157 Salamantis

and a few guns between you and your neighbors to keep the looters and Feds away...

161 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:00:00am

The fruitcupitron 3000 has been sidelined.

162 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
(I am not in charge of the bar)
Help yourselves!

163 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:00:18am

fruit cup!

164 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:00:36am

re: #160 redc1c4

and a few guns between you and your neighbors to keep the looters and Feds away...

I have seven: two rifles, two shotguns, and three pistols.

165 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:01:19am

re: #158 redc1c4

some people will swallow anything...

There's a couple websites that prove that's true.

/white smoke

166 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:01:24am

re: #162 littleoldlady


The timing mechanism still works flawlessly as you can see...

167 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:01:29am

re: #162 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
(I am not in charge of dancing on the bar)
Help yourselves!

and bring ones!

168 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:01:32am

re: #164 Salamantis

I have seven: two rifles, two shotguns, and three pistols.

And plenty of stocked ammo. And did I mention the fact that my brick house has burglar bars?

169 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:01:43am

re: #158 redc1c4

some people will swallow anything...

Lewinsky joke in 3..2..1..

170 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:01:54am

Thanks, {lol}!

171 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:02:34am

re: #164 Salamantis

I have seven: two rifles, two shotguns, and three pistols.

with boo coo ammo, mags, spare parts, cleaning gear, etc...

172 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:03:16am

I thought air conditioning was essential in the Gulf Coast.

173 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:03:52am

re: #167 redc1c4

and bring ones!

Yum! Thanks!

Oh, and here's good news for both Sharmuta AND littleoldlady!

174 redc1c4  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:04:18am

thigs to do in the AM, per HRH...

love to stay, but gotta go.

hasta y'all...

L8r.

175 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:04:39am

re: #166 Fenway_Nation

Fenway! :-)

Show off!

176 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:06:03am
177 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:06:22am

re: #172 Sharmuta

I thought air conditioning was essential in the Gulf Coast.

I remember once asking my grandmother what she thought was the best invention that came to be during her lifetime. I was thinking she might say, "computers", "commercial air travel", "televisions" or something like that.

Her reply? "Air conditioning!"

178 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:06:52am

Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady. You can be the brightest ray of sunshine on the darkest of days. Thank you.

179 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:06:59am

re: #172 Sharmuta

I thought air conditioning was essential in the Gulf Coast.

It is. But I skimp by opening my windows at midnight, and closing them at dawn.

180 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:07:33am

Sharmuta! :-)

/hang in there - recipe coming...

gmsc! :-)

ROTFL!

Neo Con! :-)

'Night, red! :-)

Dancing on the bar?
/film at 11...

181 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:08:13am

BlueCanuck! :-)

Um...are you okay?

182 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:09:22am

re: #125 Zzyzx

Just in case it hasn't been mentioned before but YouTube has a Turner Classic Movie clip of actors, actresses and other notables that have passed away this year. Some I completely missed the news on and surprised by, but all will be missed.

TCM is one of the things that prevent me from despising Ted Turner. I'd still look at him funny though.

183 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:09:37am

re: #179 Salamantis

It is. But I skimp by opening my windows at midnight, and closing them at dawn.

And in the winter, when we have a warm front roll through, I open them at noon, and close them at sunset.

184 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:09:56am

re: #153 littleoldlady

You're in luck! They have a website.

/which I just found myself - YESTERDAY! :-)

That recipe sounds like something my late, great mother-in-law used to make.

/three mothers-in-law - one husband - and only one GREAT mother-in-law...
//don't ask...

Hmmm, I looked around and didn't find it on the site. I'm pretty sure the print edition I saw was December 2008. It had a red cover. Thanks for the site! I'll use it.

185 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:11:58am

Ah fuck. You assholes made me miss Fruitcup!

Dammit.

186 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:12:09am

My first fruitcup! Thanks littleoldlady! I'm so thrilled it's running down my chin!

187 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:12:25am

I don't know what's up, but I hope {Blue's} alright.

188 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:12:26am

Wanna have some real fun?

Check out The Generator Blog. It has a bazillion links to sites where you can customize things like pictures and movies.

The "littleoldlady band Brussel Sprouts" movie I made is just one example of what you can do there!

189 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:13:01am

re: #185 Boogberg

Ah fuck. You assholes made me miss Fruitcup!

Dammit.

Don't worry, there's still some on the bar!

190 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:13:05am

Silvergirl! :-)

Boogberg,

Now, now! All you have to do is scroll up a bit...

/plenty for all!

191 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:15:16am

re: #181 littleoldlady

Doing fine. Just thought that you needed an extra compliment this morning. :)

192 Crux Australis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:15:24am

re: #172 Sharmuta

I thought air conditioning was essential in the Gulf Coast.

And for most of Australia in the summer. I don't have air conditioning in my new place. I haven't had much of a summer so far.

193 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:15:32am

re: #189 gmsc

Don't worry, there's still some on the bar!

And last I saw, somebody was dancing on the bar with ones tucked everywhere!

194 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:16:40am

re: #193 Silvergirl

Yes, things tend to get silly in the wee hours of the dead thread. Then all the coffee junkies show up.

195 Zzyzx  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:18:03am

re: #133 Silvergirl

That was well done. I got a few chills. Right away I recognized the actor who played Lou in Chinatown ("Make a decision, Lou. You're in charge.") and didn't realize he's gone.

Suzanne Pleshette was a shocker for me as I remember her best from the Bob Newhart show.

196 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:18:04am

re: #193 Silvergirl

And last I saw, somebody was dancing on the bar with ones tucked everywhere!

Don't look at me like that. ;)

197 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:18:22am

re: #194 BlueCanuck

Yes, things tend to get silly in the wee hours of the dead thread. Then all the coffee junkies show up.

Coffee? I'm still drinking beer!

198 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:19:03am

Morning Lizards. Thanks for fruitcup lol.

199 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:20:09am

re: #197 Salamantis

Not mentioning any one present. The coffee junkies will be in soon, about an hour or two.

200 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:20:20am

re: #191 BlueCanuck

Doing fine. Just thought that you needed an extra compliment this morning. :)

Oh! It's ME! ;-)

Thanks. I do, in fact.

201 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:21:05am

Erik! :-)

202 TheMatrix31  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:21:14am

Anyone have a heated towel rack? How well do they work?

203 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:21:31am

re: #193 Silvergirl

And last I saw, somebody was dancing on the bar with ones tucked everywhere!

Boy, that paperclip from MS Office can help with ANY problem!
;)

204 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:22:29am

re: #203 gmsc

Hmmm, do you have a better link? That one is a dead end.

205 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:22:32am

re: #202 TheMatrix31

Anyone have a heated towel rack? How well do they work?

The racks can shuck the towels, heated or otherweise, as far as I'm concerned...;~)

206 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:22:47am

Sharmuta,

1-1/2 lbs brussels sprouts
1 tsp salt
4 Tbsp butter, melted
4 Tbsp grated parmesan cheese
4 Tbsp breadcrumbs
1/4 tsp garlic powder
1/4 tsp black pepper
1/4 tsp seasoning salt (like Lawry)

Wash, trim sprouts. Cut an "X" about 1/4" deep on stem end (helps cook them through)

Put sprouts in a pot. Cover with water. (Add salt.) Bring to a boil and simmer for about 6 minutes until tender but not over cooked.

Mix all dry ingredients together. Dip sprouts (one at a time) in butter, then the breading mix.

Place in a casserole dish and put under the broiler (4" away) for about 5 minutes, until lightly browned.

That's the actual recipe. Here's how I've changed it:
More butter, less parmesan, more garlic and seasoning salt.

If my people only knew how frikken EASY most of my Thanksgiving recipes are...well I'M certainly not going to tell them! ;-)

207 TheMatrix31  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:23:40am

re: #205 Salamantis

The racks can shuck the towels, heated or otherweise, as far as I'm concerned...;~)

On second thought, these bastards are expensive. 80 to 130 bucks? Forget that as of now.

I guess I'll just walk buck-naked to the dryer and grab my towel out of there!

208 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:23:42am

re: #151 zombie

Charles has been posting some Keith Jarrett piano jazz videos recently, but I just stumbled on some Erroll Garner videos on YouTube, and I must say: nobody, and I mean nobody, can hold a candle to Erroll Garner. Just insanely, effortlessly talented and virtuosic. Keep in mind, when watching videos like "I Get a Kick Out of You," that not only did Garner never learn how to read a single note of music, but that (as you will see) he basically never looks at the keyboard when playing. Pay special close attention to the second half of the song -- when you look at his face, he seems to be just goofing around, hardly even paying attention to what his hands are doing -- while he uncorks some of the most creative improvisations ever. Just astounding.

Okay, Erroll Garner was impressive, but one thing leads to another, and mythoughts ran to the "I Get a Kick Out of You" scene in Blazing Saddles.

209 Zzyzx  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:23:46am

re: #182 Boogberg

TCM is one of the things that prevent me from despising Ted Turner. I'd still look at him funny though.

It's the colorization of some of the great classic movies isn't it? Yeah, me too.

/Or it could be that "Hanoi Jane" Fonda thingy...

210 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:24:50am

re: #204 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, do you have a better link? That one is a dead end.

I was trying to do a version of this related to the dancing on the bar, but I can't do it directly.

211 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:25:22am

re: #206 littleoldlady

My dearest lady! Saved in my favorites and to be attempted by one little blue lady this weekend. Will let you know how it goes!

212 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:26:52am

re: #209 Zzyzx

It's the colorization of some of the great classic movies isn't it? Yeah, me too.

/Or it could be that "Hanoi Jane" Fonda thingy...

I dunno. I'm always thinking "F*ck her!" And he actually, repeatedly did. When she was too old to reproduce.

213 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:27:47am

re: #212 Salamantis

I dunno. I'm always thinking "F*ck her!" And he actually, repeatedly did. When she was too old to reproduce.

USN 74-77

214 stevieray  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:28:08am

re: #204 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, do you have a better link? That one is a dead end.

Can't hot link to that site.

But you can copy the URL from the address bar and paste it in a new window -- that works.

215 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:29:56am

re: #211 Sharmuta

Oh. Change that 1/4" "X" to an 1/8". The outside leaves tend to fall off the sprouts. Just put them back together as you're dipping and breading.

Honestly, I just throw the breading mix together until "tastes good".

216 Zzyzx  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:32:09am

re: #212 Salamantis

I dunno. I'm always thinking "F*ck her!" And he actually, repeatedly did. When she was too old to reproduce.

Lucky us, no progeny. Unlike...say...the Kennedys!

217 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:32:17am

re: #215 littleoldlady

Oh. Change that 1/4" "X" to an 1/8". The outside leaves tend to fall off the sprouts. Just put them back together as you're dipping and breading.

Honestly, I just throw the breading mix together until "tastes good".

The tongue version of pasta al dente.

218 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:34:18am

re: #197 Salamantis

Coffee? I'm still drinking beer!

Me too! :D

Little Ol' Lady,

I was working at a theater when High Anxiety came out. I got it!...I got it!...I don't got it. :D

219 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:37:46am

re: #218 Boogberg

Me too! :D

Little Ol' Lady,

I was working at a theater when High Anxiety came out. I got it!...I got it!...I don't got it. :D

Boog, I hope you realize that I'm not your enemy. Hell, I'm nobody's enemy; I'm just logic's and empirical evidence's friend...;~)

220 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:39:11am

Thanks, lol. Got run, gang. See you later!

221 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:40:46am

Bye Sharmuta, have yourself a good one.

222 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:40:55am

re: #218 Boogberg

I guess I don't got it either. ;-)

Bye, Sharmuta! :-)

223 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:42:27am

re: #220 Sharmuta

Thanks, lol. Got run, gang. See you later!

See you next time! I need to tuck the day away also.

It was extra thrilling to have live entertainment with the Fruitcup!

224 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:42:34am

re: #219 Salamantis

Boog, I hope you realize that I'm not your enemy. Hell, I'm nobody's enemy; I'm just logic's and empirical evidence's friend...;~)

No worries, bro. If you can't talk shit on LGF, where can you talk shit? ;)

225 stevieray  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:42:37am

New version of Firefox has been released -- 3.0.5

Looks like alot of security bugs fixed -- and the cookie/tab refocus issue too! Yay!

226 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:42:46am

re: #220 Sharmuta

Thanks, lol. Got run, gang. See you later!

Good night, Sharmuta!

227 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:43:35am

I think I'm going to hit the sack, as well.

Good night, all!

228 Silvergirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:44:55am

re: #227 gmsc

I think I'm going to hit the sack, as well.

Good night, all!

G'night to you, too. I'm tuckered. I'm out.

229 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:45:39am

Oh bother looks like everyone is leaving. Night gmsc, silvergirl. It's always lonely on the dead thread.

230 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:48:13am

There's tryptophan in the fruitcup!

/works every time... ;-)

231 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:49:22am

re: #224 Boogberg

No worries, bro. If you can't talk shit on LGF, where can you talk shit? ;)

Logic is kinda like America. In America, you can do whatever you wanna do and not be legitimately incarcerated, so long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of other people (or at least that's the ideal). In logic, you can believe whatever you wanna believe and not be credibly ridiculed, so long as you don't infringe on contradictory empirical evidence.

232 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:56:23am

re: #231 Salamantis

Logic is kinda like America. In America, you can do whatever you wanna do and not be legitimately incarcerated, so long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of other people (or at least that's the ideal). In logic, you can believe whatever you wanna believe and not be credibly ridiculed, so long as you don't infringe on contradictory empirical evidence.

I think Spock ran into some trouble when he commanded a shuttlecraft.

Apparently other factors came into play.

233 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 2:59:24am

re: #232 Boogberg

I think Spock ran into some trouble when he commanded a shuttlecraft.

Apparently other factors came into play.

HeeHee!

But he had his logical reasons. Uncontradicted by credible empirical evidence.

234 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:02:27am

Good Night, All!

235 Boogberg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:03:40am

re: #233 Salamantis

HeeHee!

But he had his logical reasons. Uncontradicted by credible empirical evidence.

Yeah but he really pissed off the crew! :D

236 Luigi  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:03:45am

Interesting. CNN backs off from total assurance in the Global Warming narrative. Note the qualifiers in its page one blurb for it's lead story this morning at the moment..

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Between 1.5 trillion and 2 trillion tons of ice in Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska has melted at an accelerating rate since 2003, according to NASA scientists, in the latest signs of what they say is global warming.

That qualifier doesn't slip in there by accident, or by some personal quirk on the part of the editor such as, say, good journalistic practice. They must be shifting policy to a more cautious stance.

237 littleoldlady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:05:35am
238 Zzyzx  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:12:07am

re: #143 Silvergirl

I haven't been around long enough to get the comic in connection with littleoldlady, but I thought of her because of her fruitcup when I was in the dentist office today looking through a Real Simple magazine that showed jello that is molded in muffin pans using those cupcake liners which you peel away and then serve the luscious looking cups. I know it was made with raspberry jello, whole berry cranberry sauce, crushed pineapple, and I don't know if there was anything else. I don't get the magazine, so I may have to improvise.

This is what we have every Turkey Day and other times of the year.

1 (6 oz.) pkg. cranberry jello (not the instant kind)
1 (16 oz.) can whole cranberry sauce
1 (20 oz.) can crushed pineapple/drained
1 cup flaked coconut
1 cup chopped walnuts
1 tub Cool/Dream Whip (the real kind, not that diet/non-fat crap)

Make Jello according to package directions minus 1/2 cup of water. Slightly cool Jello with 4 to 6 ice cubes in large bowl stirring frequently. (Remove cubes when your arm gets tired).

Dump all remaining ingredients into bowl and mix well.

Pour into a Jello Mold (we use a fluted Bundt Cake pan) and refrigerate until set. I guess you could spoon the mixture into cupcake liners, never thought about that. I guess it would make for nice individual servings though.

Enjoy

239 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:12:59am

Good Morning Lizard Nation. FNC is reporting this morning that Jesse Jackso Jr. has been cooperating with the Feds on Gov Blago since 2002.
Secret Agent man Jr, or did he roll over to cut a deal for himself?
Strange days indeed.

240 Luigi  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:19:37am

Chi Trib reporter stands his ground against Obama at press conference. Nice..

Obama: John, don't waste your question.

Credit Drudge.

241 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:21:44am

re: #240 Luigi

Chi Trib reporter stands his ground against Obama at press conference. Nice..

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Obama: John, don't waste your question.

Credit Drudge.


What he is really saying is,"Don't mention anything that I don't want to hear."

242 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:23:17am

Good morning, Lizards.

243 Luigi  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:24:13am

re: #241 opnion

That worked during the campaign. It's works just a little less well now. But guys like Obama need total control. Let's see if that reporter gets invited back.

244 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:24:32am

Good morning {goddess}. How's the global warming in your area?

245 TheMatrix31  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:24:50am

re: #240 Luigi

Chi Trib reporter stands his ground against Obama at press conference. Nice..

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Obama: John, don't waste your question.

Credit Drudge.

What a fucking asshole.

246 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:25:40am

re: #244 BlueCanuck

Good morning {goddess}. How's the global warming in your area?

{BlueCanuck}
We were under a winter weather advisory, but it warmed up to rain.

247 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:28:34am

re: #246 goddessoftheclassroom

Ah, the only good thing about rain in the early winter is that you don't have to shovel it.

248 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:30:12am

re: #247 BlueCanuck

Ah, the only good thing about rain in the early winter is that you don't have to shovel it.

I like how you think!

Anything but ice.

249 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:35:38am

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

Yeah, comes from living in a snow belt. Looking forward to going home and shoveling my walk.

/or lets not and say we did.

250 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:39:27am

re: #249 BlueCanuck

Yeah, comes from living in a snow belt. Looking forward to going home and shoveling my walk.

/or lets not and say we did.

There's a very grand house in our town built by a guy who bought four surrounding houses, tearing them down, and building the house he wanted. His sidewalks are HEATED.

251 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:39:49am

Joe Paterno has gotten a three year contract extension to coach Penn State unltil he is 85 years old.
Some times nice guys finish first.

252 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:39:57am

Education today is a catastrophe.

253 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:42:58am

re: #252 NYCHardhat

Education today is a catastrophe.

Ahem. That brush is a bit broad...

254 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:44:44am

re: #252 NYCHardhat

Education today is a catastrophe.

If you don't be ejubacated, ain't goona git to be goin nowhere.
(potential essay answer by a Chicago Public School student)

255 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:45:26am

re: #253 goddessoftheclassroom

Ahem. That brush is a bit broad...

I may be generalizing sure, but I am still pissed about the money I spent on my college education. None of this is directed at teachers who push patriotism.

256 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:46:50am

re: #253 goddessoftheclassroom

Ahem. That brush is a bit broad...

And anyway, you are a goddess. ;)

257 summergurl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:47:41am

Good Morning Lizards -
Looks like NYC is about to start taxing everything fun and tastes good..

258 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:48:27am

re: #257 summergurl

Good Morning Lizards -
Looks like NYC is about to start taxing everything fun and tastes good..

They are taxing you too? ;)

259 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:51:33am

re: #255 NYCHardhat

I may be generalizing sure, but I am still pissed about the money I spent on my college education. None of this is directed at teachers who push patriotism.

Oh, HIGHER education is a disaster--I agree. It seems many campuses create and nurture an atmosphere of egocentrism that creates or fosters the "me first" entitlement attitude of many young adults. This egocentrism includes the "I know what's best for everyone" positions.

260 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:55:19am

re: #259 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, HIGHER education is a disaster--I agree. It seems many campuses create and nurture an atmosphere of egocentrism that creates or fosters the "me first" entitlement attitude of many young adults. This egocentrism includes the "I know what's best for everyone" positions.

I'm very scared for my niece and her education. After seeing that woman berate that little girl for supporting McCain.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:57:45am

Whew! I am bushed. Been shoveling rain for an hour!

262 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 3:59:27am

Frank Gaffney is now on FNC. Oh, this is great, AIG took $150 Billion of our money. Part of the cash goes to prop up a subsidiary that sells life Insurance & financial services in a SHRIA compliant way.
So you now own a company that is helping to promote Sharia law.
Have a nice day.

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:01:11am

re: #257 summergurl

Good Morning Lizards -
Looks like NYC is about to start taxing everything fun and tastes good..

Well, at least NYC is not an expensive place to visit.

264 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:02:55am

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, at least NYC is was not an expensive place to visit.

Fixed that for you.

265 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:03:19am

re: #260 NYCHardhat

I'm very scared for my niece and her education. After seeing that woman berate that little girl for supporting McCain.

CONSTANT VIGILANCE! Chat frequently with your niece (it's a great idea, anyway!) and if she shares anything that concerns you, talk to her parents about speaking to the teacher. To be fair, there may be context that mitigates the questionable comment or action.

If the teacher doesn't provide a satisfactory explanation, speak to the principal.

Religion and politics are NOT subjects for debate in school except in very specific circumstances. In addition, students have to be TAUGHT how to use logic to avoid arguing "feelings."

266 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:04:44am

Got to get ready to civilize the Visigoths. Have a great day, Lizards!

267 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:04:47am

re: #265 goddessoftheclassroom

CONSTANT VIGILANCE! Chat frequently with your niece (it's a great idea, anyway!) and if she shares anything that concerns you, talk to her parents about speaking to the teacher. To be fair, there may be context that mitigates the questionable comment or action.

If the teacher doesn't provide a satisfactory explanation, speak to the principal.

Religion and politics are NOT subjects for debate in school except in very specific circumstances. In addition, students have to be TAUGHT how to use logic to avoid arguing "feelings."

Where were you when I was going to school?

268 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:05:39am

Bye goddess, and best of luck with that task.

269 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:05:47am

re: #267 NYCHardhat

Where were you when I was going to school?

Probably sitting in class next to you swearing I would NEVER behave as our teachers were when I became a teacher!

270 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:06:57am

Good morning LGF.
Yippeee! Where do I get my free money?
/

271 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:07:14am

re: #269 goddessoftheclassroom

Probably sitting in class next to you swearing I would NEVER behave as our teachers were when I became a teacher!

Ha! You have a good day goddess.

272 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:09:06am

Morning Spare. How goes it?

/still looking for my free money.

273 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:12:36am

Good morning.

The market jumped yesterday on the prospect of nearly free money being made available to the banks.

The overnight futures are pointed down slightly as profit takers will sell off from the rally.

The Nikkei and Hang Seng were up slightly over night.

274 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:13:59am

re: #272 BlueCanuck

Morning Spare. How goes it?
/still looking for my free money.

Not going too badly, and you?
Too much darn fresh snow on the roads, though.

275 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:19:17am

re: #274 Spare O'Lake

Tired and looking forward to the end of the shift. I am so thankful I don't drive right now. All the idiots will be out in force this morning.

276 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:20:01am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Day 8 of the transit strike and we were on the road at 05:45, driving through blizzard conditions and sheer ice lurking 'neath 3" of freshly fallen snow.

O joy.

277 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:21:16am

In Illinois political news, the Democratically controlled State government has pretty much decided that there will not be a special election to replace Obama, mainly cause they are afraid that a Republican might win. So they are going to go the impeachment/appointment route.

By the way, there will have to be a special election to replace Rahm Emanuel (although that would be a local Congressional election) if/when Emanuel resigns. They can't get around that one, but his seat is in a safe Democratic district.

That is what you get when you have one-party rule with a fairly compliant press.

278 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:21:48am

re: #276 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Day 8 of the transit strike and we were on the road at 05:45, driving through blizzard conditions and sheer ice lurking 'neath 3" of freshly fallen snow.

O joy.

Morning, Miss Trixie!

279 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:23:03am

In mid-Illinois we got 4 inches of white global warming yesterday, and right now we have 13 degrees of cold global warming.

280 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:23:19am

re: #278 gclaghorn

Morning, Miss Trixie!

Morning, toots! It's one week to Christmas Eve - can you believe it?

Another year almost over.

281 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:24:08am

Good morning Miss Trixie. The good news is that the snow will end shortly. And with no buses on the road the snow removal should be easier.

/trying to find a silver lining for you.

282 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:25:32am

re: #279 3 wood

So, when can we string Gore up as a lying pole cat?

/or the tar and feathers route, just run him out of the country on a rail

283 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:27:25am

re: #279 3 wood

In mid-Illinois we got 4 inches of white global warming yesterday, and right now we have 13 degrees of cold global warming.

Stock up on some global warming carols, then!

284 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:28:16am

SEC chief admits failure to act on Madoff warnings

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Christopher Cox, the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, admitted late Tuesday that the regulator had failed to act on warnings about the activities of Bernard Madoff stretching back nearly a decade.

In a statement Cox said an initial probe into how Madoff's alleged fraud remained undetected revealed "multiple failures" by the regulator to thoroughly investigate the former Nasdaq chairman and his firm.

"The Commission has learned that credible and specific allegations regarding Mr Madoff's financial wrongdoing, going back to at least 1999, were repeatedly brought to the attention of SEC staff, but were never recommended to the Commission for action," Cox said in the statement.

And Cox was in charge for a lot of that time.

Absolutely incompetent.

Having the guy repeatedly report 12% yields when the market was flat or dropping was your first clue.

285 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:29:36am

re: #281 BlueCanuck

Good morning Miss Trixie. The good news is that the snow will end shortly. And with no buses on the road the snow removal should be easier.

/trying to find a silver lining for you.

Thanks, Blue. It's not even winter yet, officially and I think it's gonna be a long one. *sigh*

New avatar, BTW. :D

286 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:30:35am

re: #240 Luigi

Chi Trib reporter stands his ground against Obama at press conference. Nice...

What, no shoe throwing?

287 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:31:20am

re: #241 opnion

Can't I just eat my waffle?

288 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:32:11am

Morning all! Any interesting news overnight? Blago still governor? Rahm not under the bus yet?

289 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:33:56am

re: #285 Miss Trixie

New avatar, BTW. :D

MY EYES!
You know I love you but its too early to see something like k that.

290 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:34:21am

re: #288 Jim in Virginia

Morning all! Any interesting news overnight? Blago still governor? Rahm not under the bus yet?

Bleeping right he's still the bleeping governor. Why the bleep do you ask?

291 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:35:01am

re: #289 Jim in Virginia

MY EYES!
You know I love you but its too early to see something like k that.

Whoopsie! Guess I should have waited for the coffee to kick on ... :D

292 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:35:06am

re: #290 opnion

Bleeping right he's still the bleeping governor. Why the bleep do you ask?

Watch your bleeping language!

293 eon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:35:52am

Good morning, Lizards, from beautiful downtown Fairfield County, Ohio.

We're the only county around here that isn't having some sort of delay/cancellation/etc. due to snow and ice.

Of course, AlGore From The Planet Eco isn't anywhere in the vicinity, either.

/Not that there's a connection, or anything

cheers

eon

294 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:36:26am

re: #292 gclaghorn

Watch your bleeping language!

Who the bleep do you think your talking to, bleep it?

295 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:36:37am

re: #285 Miss Trixie

Well, that is rather rude first thing in the morning.

/Time to go home and find the eye bleach.

296 gregg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:37:25am

United States of America is Bankrupt

The United States of America is bankrupt. Don’t believe it? Consider this: Federal obligations now exceed the collective net worth of all Americans, according to the New York-based Peter G. Peterson Foundation. Washington politicians and bureaucrats have essentially mortgaged everything We the People own so they can keep spending our tax dollars like there’s no tomorrow.

Any chance Canada will bail us out?

297 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:37:47am

Rahm Emanuel was pushing Blago to appoint Jarrett

Blago drama for Obama

President-elect Barack Obama's incoming chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, was pushing for Obama's successor just days after the Nov. 4 election, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.

Emanuel privately urged Gov. Blagojevich's administration to appoint Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett, and the Sun-Times learned Tuesday that he also pressed that it be done by a certain deadline.

In addition to the discussions, Emanuel submitted a list of names of candidates suitable to the Obama team to the governor's administration. Jarrett was not among those names because she had pulled herself out of the running at that point, a source with the Obama camp said.

Obama said Monday that an internal report detailing any staff contacts with the embattled governor or his aide would be made public next week.

Emanuel's discussions do not indicate he was involved in dealmaking with the governor. However, his deeper involvement creates a sticky political situation for Obama.

An Emanuel source said it was "possible" that Emanuel discussed the appointment with Harris and that a specific date was mentioned. "Valerie was deciding whether she wanted to go the Senate. Others had talked to her about it. There were plenty of people who talked to her about it and thought she would be a good choice," the source said.

WLS radio in Chicago reported this morning that Emanuel has lawyered up.

298 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:38:32am

re: #296 gregg

United States of America is Bankrupt


Any chance Canada will bail us out?

But who will bail us out?

/time to start going through the sofa cushions again.

299 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:38:52am

re: #273 3 wood
'Morning, 3 Wood. I would appreciate your input on a very unsettling scenario.

I heard an interview yesterday with Stephen Jarislowski, a senior billionaire Canadian fund manager. He indicated his belief that private lenders and borrowers are too shell-shocked to lend/borrow in the normal course, and that individuals and companies are so scared that they will be doing all they can to reduce debt and curtail unnecessary spending. So he concluded that these low rates would not do much good.
Do you agree with this depressing analysis?
And was he correct when he doubted that anything less than a program of massive, unprecedented public spending would be insufficient to inflate the economy enough to lower the debt load and prevent a severe deflation?
This prescription sounds to me like a dream come true for those who like big government.

300 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:38:58am

re: #294 opnion

Who the bleep do you think your talking to, bleep it?

Patti Blago?

301 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:39:15am

re: #294 opnion

Who the bleep do you think your talking to, bleep it?

Calm the bleep down! It was a bleepin' joke! ;)

302 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:39:59am

re: #296 gregg

United States of America is Bankrupt


Any chance Canada will bail us out?


We are heavy in debt to China among others. This is what ya get with people like Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Frank & kennedy calling the shots.

303 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:40:06am

re: #296 gregg

United States of America is Bankrupt


Any chance Canada will bail us out?


Nope. China or the House of Saud.
Seriously - with all the problems we have we are still in better shape long term than anyone except maybe Switzerland.

304 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:41:10am

BIAM.

305 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:41:23am

re: #297 3 wood

That's not the Rahm Emmanuel I know.

306 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:42:22am

re: #300 3 wood

Patti Blago?


Potty Mouth Patty has her own legal issues, her Real Estate dealings with people like Rezko.

307 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:44:06am

O come O come Emanuel
And spill your guts to Fitzgerald, do tell.
What did Blagojevich offer you?
And when and how much did Obama knew?

OK, it needs work.

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:44:21am

re: #282 BlueCanuck

Hey Blue! What? Did you take your 'Lil Abner pill this morning. Pole cat? Tar and feather?

309 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:47:04am

re: #301 gclaghorn

Calm the bleep down! It was a bleepin' joke! ;)

I bleepin know that it's a joke. You don't bleepin think that I know that?
No Senate seat for you , bleep it!

310 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:49:23am

re: #299 Spare O'Lake

'Morning, 3 Wood. I would appreciate your input on a very unsettling scenario.

I heard an interview yesterday with Stephen Jarislowski, a senior billionaire Canadian fund manager. He indicated his belief that private lenders and borrowers are too shell-shocked to lend/borrow in the normal course, and that individuals and companies are so scared that they will be doing all they can to reduce debt and curtail unnecessary spending. So he concluded that these low rates would not do much good.
Do you agree with this depressing analysis?
And was he correct when he doubted that anything less than a program of massive, unprecedented public spending would be insufficient to inflate the economy enough to lower the debt load and prevent a severe deflation?
This prescription sounds to me like a dream come true for those who like big government.

I think there is some of that cash hoarding going on, sure. This "shell-shock" is why I was so supportive of taking action early when this first started, cause once you scare the beegeebers out of the market it takes awhile for investors to recover from that. I think the market was overly positive for a while, now it is overly negative.

But these banks are also not getting any yield on this cash either, so they will not sit on it forever. Once the market settles down and we stop having bankruptcy announcements every week from some major entity, the money will start moving again. Some banks will see an opportunity to make a large profit and will take it. I hear stories of some people who can't get loans, then others tell me their credit card limit was raised without their asking.

Part of the problem is you have a MSM that has totally prostituted themselves to get Obama elected, and part of their role was to spin the economy as bad as possible. 2 years of scare stories have had their effect. I expect some good news to start being published starting January 21st.

Yes, unemployment is up but it is still less than 7%. Rates are low. Gas prices have tumbled lowering costs.

Now, when all this will turn around is the key, and neither I nor anybody else can tell you that for sure. I think things will take off the 2nd half of next year, but I could easily be wrong.

2 years from now I think our problem will be high inflation.

311 opnion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:51:25am

Well Lizards gotta get the bleep out of here.
I need to go out & face all the bleepin Global Warming on the roads, or bleepin Climate Change or whatever the bleep they call it now.
Stay cool & bleepin keep it Obama.

312 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:52:15am

re: #311 opnion

Well Lizards gotta get the bleep out of here.
I need to go out & face all the bleepin Global Warming on the roads, or bleepin Climate Change or whatever the bleep they call it now.
Stay cool & bleepin keep it Obama.

Have a nice bleepin' day!

313 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:52:25am

re: #306 opnion

Potty Mouth Patty has her own legal issues, her Real Estate dealings with people like Rezko.

I expect that Ftizgerald has a deal on her table right now with a clock ticking.

Want to avoid spending the next 15 years talking to your kids through a glass window?

314 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:52:31am

Lets cut the profanity. There's bleepin children bleepin in here.

315 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:53:17am

re: #314 Jim in Virginia

Lets cut the profanity. There's bleepin children bleepin in here.

Why the bleep do you think we're bleeping it out?

316 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:56:35am

re: #285 Miss Trixie

Thanks, Blue. It's not even winter yet, officially and I think it's gonna be a long one. *sigh*

New avatar, BTW. :D

Oh, my. Words fail me.

317 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:58:42am

I'm out, Lizards. BBL

318 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:58:45am

Good Morning Lizards!

It is wet and cold here in CT this morning. The freezing rain is on it's way out, though. Scattered precipitation for the rest of the day.

So, how much do the 12 Days Of Christmas cost this year?

319 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 4:59:29am

re: #316 MandyManners

Oh, my. Words fail me.

There's a first. ;-)

Morning, Mandy.

320 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:01:09am

re: #316 MandyManners

Oh, my. Words fail me.

What? Don't like the Manitoba Snow Fairy?

321 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:01:41am

re: #314 Jim in Virginia

Lets cut the profanity. There's bleepin children bleepin in here.

You bleeping don't like the bleeping profanity? Bleep you, you bleeping motherbleeper. Just bleeping leave then. Bleep.

322 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:01:47am

seems to me it was posted at several thousand dollars. I think the seven swans a swimming was the most expensive item. re: #318 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

It is wet and cold here in CT this morning. The freezing rain is on it's way out, though. Scattered precipitation for the rest of the day.

So, how much do the 12 Days Of Christmas cost this year?

323 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:04:19am

re: #322 apachegunner

seems to me it was posted at several thousand dollars. I think the seven swans a swimming was the most expensive item.

If you scroll through the images on the link it gives all the prices. I would like to know how they got the price for the Maids A Milking. Seems kinda cheap. And how do you get a price on Lords A Leaping? Call Lords R' Us?

324 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:04:25am

re: #310 3 wood

Yeah, and then we'll get screwed by high inflation and high interest rates.
If we're lucky enough to still be around by then.
Thanks a lot.
*slit*
*slit*
/

325 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:05:04am

re: #323 Ford_Prefect

If you scroll through the images on the link it gives all the prices. I would like to know how they got the price for the Maids A Milking. Seems kinda cheap. And how do you get a price on Lords A Leaping? Call Lords R' Us?

Or maybe Lords & Taylor?

326 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:05:24am

probably all minimum wage plus costume expense re: #323 Ford_Prefect

327 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:07:24am

Update on Banking crisis...news from Japan

Following the problems in the sub-prime lending market in America and the run on HBOS in the UK, uncertainty has now hit Japan.

In the last 7 hours Origami Bank has folded, Sumo Bank has gone belly up and Bonsai Bank announced plans to cut some of its branches. Yesterday, it was announced that Karaoke Bank is up for sale and will likely go for a song, while today shares in Kamikaze Bank were suspended after they nose-dived.

Samurai Bank is soldiering on following sharp cutbacks, Ninja Bank is reported to have taken a hit, but they remain in the black. Furthermore, 500 staff at Karate Bank got the chop and analysts report that there is something fishy going on at Sushi Bank where it is feared that staff may get a raw deal.

328 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:07:39am

well ok then, Baileys for each coffee cup in da place :>)

329 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:08:38am

re: #327 TaeJohnDo
very good for an early morning post

330 eon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:10:08am

re: #296 gregg

United States of America is Bankrupt

Any chance Canada will bail us out?

Actually, this is the "elephant in the living room" that will confront the incoming administration. Simply put, there isn't enough money available to do even half of what they want, let alone all of it.

Thomas Jefferson once said that the first duty of government was to show a profit, i.e., not operate in the red financially. Unfortunately, most modern "progressive" types (such as the Obamatrons) either do not believe this, have never heard of Jefferson, or believe that he meant that the way for government to operate was to seize assets from the private sector to balance its own books. The recent appeal to the Senate by a progressive "economist" to seize private 401Ks to shore up Social Security being a case in point of the latter. (When someone starts talking about doing things "for the greater good" a smart person heads for the door, quietly, unobtrusively, and with one hand on their wallet.)

The problem here, of course, is that even if the government had control of the total assets of everyone, they still wouldn't have enough. Which means that, as stated, the nation is in a de facto state of Chapter 11, at least.

Other nations have been in this position before, most notably France under the Directory and, later, Napoleon Bonaparte. And in such a situation, those nations have historically always taken the same course. Namely, they went to war to take someone else's assets to shore up their own failing governments. (Not an option- in a nuclear-armed world.)

And please note, this is not a failure of the economy. We're talking about government debt here (deficit spending). Private debt and Federal deficit spending are two different things, no matter how hard our leaders try to blur and confuse the difference. Businesses and private individuals incur debt to obtain goods and services from other private entities. Government incurs debt to pursue social goals that those in it believe will make them more powerful. (After all, they can always raise taxes to make up the difference, which is a power-increasing procedure in and of itself.)

The crunch will come when the new administration tries to fulfill the wishes of all its enablers- which they will. (They're progressives- it's part of their dogma.) Since they cannot resist the urge to "act", the money will have to come from somewhere. This leaves them with the following realistic options;

1. Borrow it (probably from overseas- think the PRC);

2. Encourage foreign friends to "contribute" it (sort of a reverse "Marshall Plan"); or

3. Take private assets here at home to make up the difference.

The first option is the simplest, and the one that's been in use up to now. Of course, it only works as long as the lender is willing to lend- and not call in the note. The second is appealing in terms of the "we're all one world" mindset, but it has the small drawback that the likely candidates are no better off , and in some cases are in even worse shape (think the UK).

That leaves the third course, which is the one that appeals to the progressives the most on purely emotional grounds. As a rule, they hate and deeply resent the existence of privately-held wealth, and believe that only they are truly qualified to have control of any wealth. (And of course they are "entitled" to do so because of their innate superiority and general wonderfulness.)

Which means that the most likely outcome of all this is a major change in the way the U.S. economy works. Because the new administration, with its partners in Congress, can and very likely will try to solve the problem by taking private assets "in the name of fairness".

To see the most likely outcome of this- read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

cheers

eon

331 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:10:22am

re: #329 apachegunner

very good for an early morning post

Thank you, I can't take credit, got it from a friend at work.

I told him best to nip these type of puns early.

332 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:11:29am

re: #328 apachegunner

well ok then, Baileys for each coffee cup in da place :>)

Ummm, OK... Yea...

333 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:11:30am
334 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:13:50am

why am I not surprised? you hear Baileys and ya run into the room like a crazy guy with the coffee sloshing outta your cup. Here. Settle down. re: #332 doriangrey

335 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:14:23am

re: #319 Ford_Prefect

There's a first. ;-)

Morning, Mandy.

*whack*

336 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:15:00am

re: #333 reine.de.tout

I wonder how accurate this is:
Jackson Jr. Talked to Feds for Years, Spokesman Says

The word I got (Illinois rumors, I'm in Southern Illinois, not really recognized by the Chicago gang as Illinois, but ...) that Blago didn't want to sell the seat to Jackson because Jackson never kept his earlier promises of paybacks, so he could not be trusted to deliver the goods.

337 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:15:12am

re: #335 MandyManners

*whack*


Just how many clue bats do you have anyway?

338 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:17:08am

re: #320 Miss Trixie

What? Don't like the Manitoba Snow Fairy?

Well, this didn't play in my head when I saw him.

339 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:18:24am

re: #337 apachegunner

Just how many clue bats do you have anyway?

Two--one regular and one back-up for when the former is in for refurbishing.

340 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:19:27am

re: #338 MandyManners

Well, this didn't play in my head when I saw him.

I think the guy has to worry about Jack Frost nipping on parts other than his nose ...

341 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:20:12am

re: #330 eon

I hope you're wrong but fear you're not. The meaning of money is changing before our very eyes.

342 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:22:41am

Gotta' drag The Kid into the day. bbl

343 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:22:47am

re: #279 3 wood

In mid-Illinois we got 4 inches of white global warming yesterday, and right now we have 13 degrees of cold global warming.

I believe they are now referring to it as "Climate Change."

We used to call it "Weather."

344 eon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:23:04am

re: #336 TaeJohnDo

The word I got (Illinois rumors, I'm in Southern Illinois, not really recognized by the Chicago gang as Illinois, but ...) that Blago didn't want to sell the seat to Jackson because Jackson never kept his earlier promises of paybacks, so he could not be trusted to deliver the goods.

I just heard on the radio (Fox News) that Blagojevich tried to shake down Jackson for a "campaign contribution" in return for appointing Jackson's wife to a state government position. Blagojevich was apparently miffed that Jackson tried to haggle. (Apparently Jackson accepted the idea of the graft, he just wanted a lower figure.)

And while there are crooks in both parties who are part of the big, private club that exists in Springfield and Chicago, I find it interesting that its existence overwhelmingly benefits Democrats. Today, they are fighting tooth and nail to prevent a special election to replace The Exalted One, because they're afraid that the peons' are just irritated enough that a popular, moderate Republican might have a chance of winning. (Albeit a very small one.)

Illinois politics doesn't need to be cleaned up. It needs to be fumigated.

/Not that it will happen any time soon.

cheers

eon

345 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:24:21am

re: #334 apachegunner

why am I not surprised? you hear Baileys and ya run into the room like a crazy guy with the coffee sloshing outta your cup. Here. Settle down.

Well that certainly explains all the smoking holes in the carpet doesnt it... ;)

346 red satellite  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:26:16am

Let him eat cake. No, somebody bitch-slap you.

347 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:27:14am

re: #335 MandyManners

*whack*

Wow! *whacked* on my second post of the day. That's a personal best!

348 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:27:58am

re: #339 MandyManners

Two--one regular and one back-up for when the former is in for refurbishing.

And by refurbished you obviously mean having the excessive brains and blood scrapped off to return it to it's perfect aerodynamic condition... ;)

349 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:33:42am

re: #344 eon

I just heard on the radio (Fox News) that Blagojevich tried to shake down Jackson for a "campaign contribution" in return for appointing Jackson's wife to a state government position. Blagojevich was apparently miffed that Jackson tried to haggle. (Apparently Jackson accepted the idea of the graft, he just wanted a lower figure.)

And while there are crooks in both parties who are part of the big, private club that exists in Springfield and Chicago, I find it interesting that its existence overwhelmingly benefits Democrats. Today, they are fighting tooth and nail to prevent a special election to replace The Exalted One, because they're afraid that the peons' are just irritated enough that a popular, moderate Republican might have a chance of winning. (Albeit a very small one.)

Illinois politics doesn't need to be cleaned up. It needs to be fumigated.

/Not that it will happen any time soon.

cheers

eon


The local cops rang at my door one night at 10:45 PM. One officer told me they received a call from an old woman who claimed she was locked in a basement and all she could see was an envelope with (my) return address. He apologized and asked if he could look around. I laughed at him and told him the only reason he was here was because I had the Mayor’s opponent’s sign in my lawn. The other officer assured me that they got the call and had to check it out.

I told them to come in and do what they had to do, but that they needed me to go into my son’s room first so the dog wouldn’t bite them. And I also told them, “You know, I just sent out a letter in support of (the Mayor’s opponent) yesterday.”

The first officer stopped, paused, and said “I’m sorry sir; we’re done here, sorry to have disturbed you.”

I wonder how many other calls like that he had to take.

I’m in St. Clair County. Not a very friendly place for opposition against anythin

350 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:39:03am

It's awful quiet in here. Was it something I said?

:P

351 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:39:07am

My son has a project he got the day before the Blogo thing broke -- find a crime in the paper, make a wanted poster, brief it, etc.

I saw his poster this morning:

Wanted! Ron "Sweet Hair" Blagojevich …

OK, off to training, you all have a nice morning!

352 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:39:20am

TIME magazine Obama magazine - just announced they might place Obama FDR on the cover again and name him person of the year. Isn't that exciting?

/


'g morning all.

353 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:40:57am

re: #350 Miss Trixie

It's awful quiet in here. Was it something I said?

:P

Good morning Miss Trixie... Everybody must be refilling their coffee... and Baileys... ;)

354 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:02am

re: #350 Miss Trixie

You rolled out the naked shoveling angel. Bless you.

355 gregg  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:06am

re: #352 FrogMarch

TIME magazine Obama magazine - just announced they might place Obama FDR on the cover again and name him person of the year. Isn't that exciting?
/
'g morning all.

It was a tough decision for the magazine - half wanted Obama and the other half wanter the Baghdad shoe thrower.

356 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:46:09am

re: #355 gregg

It was a tough decision for the magazine - half wanted Obama and the other half wanter the Baghdad shoe thrower.

ah -those poor Time magazine editors. Such tough decisions.
At least one of the TIME magazine employees is now the spokesperson for Gaffe Master Biden. (Not that the MSM is in bed with the democrat party or anything)

357 summergurl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:46:27am

re: #258 NYCHardhat

They are taxing you too? ;)

Yeah, I have to pay a premium tax.

358 summergurl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:48:36am

re: #273 3 wood

Good morning.

The market jumped yesterday on the prospect of nearly free money being made available to the banks.

The overnight futures are pointed down slightly as profit takers will sell off from the rally.

The Nikkei and Hang Seng were up slightly over night.


Would you like me to make another prediction? Let's see we will end 50 bucks up - what's your guess 3 Wood?

359 eon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:49:32am

re: #349 TaeJohnDo

The local cops rang at my door one night at 10:45 PM. One officer told me they received a call from an old woman who claimed she was locked in a basement and all she could see was an envelope with (my) return address. He apologized and asked if he could look around. I laughed at him and told him the only reason he was here was because I had the Mayor’s opponent’s sign in my lawn. The other officer assured me that they got the call and had to check it out.

I told them to come in and do what they had to do, but that they needed me to go into my son’s room first so the dog wouldn’t bite them. And I also told them, “You know, I just sent out a letter in support of (the Mayor’s opponent) yesterday.”

The first officer stopped, paused, and said “I’m sorry sir; we’re done here, sorry to have disturbed you.”

I wonder how many other calls like that he had to take.

I’m in St. Clair County. Not a very friendly place for opposition against anything

As someone whose been there, I can tell you that most cops really, really resent that kind of s**t. Not just because it violates the trust between the police and the public, but because while you're out on a bogus call (for whatever reason), that's one less unit available to respond to a real emergency call.

Without the public's trust, including the trust that they will respond to an emergency call in a timely manner, the police cannot do their job.

That job being "To Protect and to Serve". Regardless of what some political hack thinks it ought to be.

Interestingly enough, here in Ohio, that sort of thing, if it happens at all, usually happens in big city departments, like Columbus and Cleveland. (Of course, Cleveland is a case study in itself- a lot like Chicago, in more ways than one.) The place you'd think it would happen, the county sheriffs' departments, is the place it rarely if ever goes on. This is because of an outfit called the Buckeye State Sheriffs' Association (BSSA), which takes a very dim view of such antics and when they occur, sees to it that it comes to the attention of the State AG (or, if that wight won't act for political reasons, the U.S. Attorney). The result is that here, such holes are "plugged with extreme speed and savagery", as Hunter S. Thompson used to say.

cheers

eon

360 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:52:07am

re: #352 FrogMarch

TIME magazine Obama magazine - just announced they might place Obama FDR on the cover again and name him person of the year. Isn't that exciting?

/


'g morning all.

Well that's just bleepin marvelous. We can bleeping cut out the bleeping cover and make a bleeping collage with the TIME magazine covers of bleeping Stalin and that bleeping bleep Mao.

/Oh, and Good Bleeping Morning to you too!

361 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:52:16am

Morning all... We in NY are certainly on the road to taxing our asses off... Now I am convinced I want to leave here...

Did you see these new taxes? (From the NY Post)
* An "iTunes tax" of 4 percent on videos, music or pictures downloaded from the Internet.

* A 4 percent tax on taxi, limo and bus rides. That means a $10 cab ride would cost 40 cents more.

* A 4 percent entertainment tax on tickets to movies, concerts and sporting events. That would add nearly 50 cents to a $12 movie ticket or $1.80 to the cheapest $44.50 seat at a Knicks game.

* The tax on beer increases 24 cents per gallon, or more than double the current rate, which means about 30 cents a case.

* An 18 percent tax on nondiet soft drinks, which aims to reduce child obesity. A $1.50 can of Pepsi would then cost at least 25 cents more.

* A 4 percent tax on cable TV and satellite services, raising a $100 bill by $4.

* Hiking the cost of "personal" services - including haircuts, manicures, pedicures, massages and gym memberships - by 4 percent.

* A 4 percent sales tax on clothing and shoes under $500, except for two weeks out of the year.

* Elimination of the law that caps the state sales tax on gasoline at 8 cents per gallon.

* Boosting the average vehicle registration fee for drivers by $11, from $44 to $55. Fees for new or renewed licenses also would increase 25 percent, or increase from $50 to about $62 to renew a license over eight years.

In addition, all drivers would have to get new, "reflectorized" license plates at a fee of $25 each.

The plan also calls for the state to allow wine to be sold in grocery stores.

It would introduce video slot machines at Belmont Park.

New York could also join other states in their lottery games.

362 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:54:06am

As I understand it the soda pop tax would only apply to fat kids? re: #361 tfc3rid

363 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:54:46am

re: #346 red satellite

Let him eat cake. No, somebody bitch-slap you.

I especially like this little jewel from the dad:

Heath Campbell said he named his son after Adolf Hitler because he liked the name and because "no one else in the world would have that name."

Yeah, no one else will have that name, except for that one little crazed psychopath way-back-when. But that's just a minor setback.

And by the way, maybe there's a reason no one else names their kid "Adolf" anymore.

364 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:55:02am

re: #360 CIA Reject

Well that's just bleepin marvelous. We can bleeping cut out the bleeping cover and make a bleeping collage with the TIME magazine covers of bleeping Stalin and that bleeping bleep Mao.

/Oh, and Good Bleeping Morning to you too!

Well good bleeping morning to you too then... ;p

365 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:55:39am

Good Morning Lizards!

366 eon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:55:56am

re: #352 FrogMarch

TIME magazine Obama magazine - just announced they might place Obama FDR on the cover again and name him person of the year. Isn't that exciting?

/


'g morning all.

Even worse (or better), while doing an online search for Bob McCall space art last night I ran across a German site that had some guy's artwork of The One as Abraham Lincoln.

I console myself that when this bunch finds out that their Messiah is human after all, most of them won't be able to cope.

/Heads will be exploding like the little green goofs in Mars Attacks.

cheers

eon

367 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:56:00am

re: #365 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!

Morning hoops...

368 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:56:13am

re: #362 apachegunner

As I understand it the soda pop tax would only apply to fat kids?

Nope... Everyone.

369 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:56:17am

re: #365 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!

Morning! How are you today?

370 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:56:52am

re: #366 eon

Even worse (or better), while doing an online search for Bob McCall space art last night I ran across a German site that had some guy's artwork of The One as Abraham Lincoln.

I console myself that when this bunch finds out that their Messiah is human after all, most of them won't be able to cope.

/Heads will be exploding like the little green goofs in Mars Attacks.

cheers

eon

And such a lovely sigh to see it shall be... ;)

371 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:58:46am

Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.
— H. G. Wells

Looks like our educational system is failing in it's mission.


Good Morning All !
A tidbit of our future from politico. H/Tip Instapundit

Nepotism Nation: Dems embrace dynasty politics
The U.S. Senate could end up looking like an American version of the House of Lords
[Link: www.politico.com...]

372 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:02am

re: #352 FrogMarch

TIME magazine Obama magazine - just announced they might place Obama FDR on the cover again and name him person of the year. Isn't that exciting?

/


'g morning all.

On that Person of the Year page, there's a "Six Degrees of Obama" link, where they try to make a connection between Obama and Pope John Paul II, Obama and Ronald Reagan, etc.

Puh-lease.

373 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:36am

Well I'm off to work... Somebody has to pay for the 8 trillion dollar ponzi sachem our wonderful government is pulling on us...

374 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:42am

Morning Dorian, FrogMarch.

Just noshed on a toasted sesame bagel with bacon and tomato and I'm still a starvin' Marvin'.

Maybe these nice red pears will do the trick.

Say, where CtP been lately? I haven't seen him in a while.

375 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:00:22am

re: #360 CIA Reject

/Oh, and Good Bleeping Morning to you too!

Good bleeping morning!

Answer: Stalin/Mao/Casto/Chavez. Q: What is the image that most left-wing movie stars and Madonna have hanging over their bed ?
I hope we are able to leave Obama off. The way the MSM is going, I doubt it.

376 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:00:26am

There's a picture of virulent exoparasite Pamela Geller clutching Wafa Sultan on her blog. Quite a disturbing image. I think Wafa Sultan will be getting an email or two shortly about that...

377 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:01:25am

re: #361 tfc3rid

NY is a Marxist Nanny State.

378 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:01:29am

re: #364 doriangrey

Good Morning to you too!

379 doriangrey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:01:44am

re: #371 notutopia

Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.
— H. G. Wells

Looks like our educational system is failing in it's mission.


Good Morning All !
A tidbit of our future from politico. H/Tip Instapundit

Nepotism Nation: Dems embrace dynasty politics
The U.S. Senate could end up looking like an American version of the House of Lords
[Link: www.politico.com...]

Only if you make the mistake of assuming our educational systems mission is to educate our young, since it is in fact not their mission they are not failing. Their mission is to indoctrinate our young into socialism/communism and at that they are very successful.

380 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:05:44am

re: #377 FrogMarch

NY is a Marxist Nanny State.

Yes, I'm well aware... I've got to get out of here...

381 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:05:53am

re: #333 reine.de.tout

Good Morning Reine.
I question that story too. Why would they make it a public announcement that he has been an informant for years? This just doesn't make good ops sense. Sounds and feels like they are trying to levy some heavy credibility to his past press release saying that he is not culpable in this Blago corruption.

382 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:06:51am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Erik the red, are you here? Time for my report of the first days play of the Test cricket (through Aussie eyes) :-)

383 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:06:51am

re: #379 doriangrey

Agree!

384 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:07:01am

re: #365 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!

Morning HH.

I have been kind of in and out here. Sorry if I fail to respond to anyone quickly.

385 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:08:37am

{aussie} Morning, darls. New avatar for this wintry, blizzardly day. :D

/Hope you've had yer coffee ... :D

386 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:08:55am

re: #375 FrogMarch

Good bleeping morning!

Answer: Stalin/Mao/Casto/Chavez. Q: What is the image that most left-wing movie stars and Madonna have hanging over their bed ?
I hope we are able to leave Obama off. The way the MSM is going, I doubt it.

The MSM is doing it's level best to run itself out of existence. Actually I think this election may have a silver lining in that more people will just turn off the TV and find other, and better, things to do. Mrs. Reject and I have discovered the 1940's music station on XM and have spent more time reading and discussing literature.

/So BO has actually improved our relationship...

//I can't believe I just typed that- it is just so wrong on so many levels...

387 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:09:29am

Why isn't Charlie Rangel forced to step down?

/oh yeah - he's a democrat.

Why is Barney Frank stlll there?

/he's a democrat. corruption and ineptitude are fine and dandy.

388 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:10:02am

re: #373 doriangrey
You'll enjoy this oped piece then...

Who Will Bail Out Uncle Sam?
[Link: www.dcexaminer.com...]

389 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:10:57am

re: #382 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Erik the red, are you here? Time for my report of the first days play of the Test cricket (through Aussie eyes) :-)

Hi aussie I am here. Managed to find a radio link and listened to most of play after lunch. Pretty much even day. S.A allowed the two big partnerships that set AUS. up nicely and once again your tail wagged. If S.A can keep yuor guys below 350 should be ok as long as S.A top order fires.

Who did you enjoy the live cricket?

390 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:12:12am

re: #376 Jimmah

picture of virulent exoparasite Pamela Geller clutching

Thx Jimmah...
What a wonderful mental image to start off my day...
/

391 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:12:14am

re: #386 CIA Reject

The MSM is doing it's level best to run itself out of existence. Actually I think this election may have a silver lining in that more people will just turn off the TV and find other, and better, things to do. Mrs. Reject and I have discovered the 1940's music station on XM and have spent more time reading and discussing literature.

/So BO has actually improved our relationship...

//I can't believe I just typed that- it is just so wrong on so many levels...

LOL! I hear you. BO and the MSM machine have inspired many to walk away from crap TV and bad unprofessional journalism.

392 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:12:21am

re: #384 Ford_Prefect

Morning HH.

I have been kind of in and out here. Sorry if I fail to respond to anyone quickly.

Good Morning Ford and everyone..
Yes it looks like I'll be in and out this morning.

393 ggt  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:12:21am

Good Morning Lizards! It's a little better in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this morning. Still COLD tho.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

394 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:13:41am

re: #381 notutopia

Good Morning Reine.
I question that story too. Why would they make it a public announcement that he has been an informant for years? This just doesn't make good ops sense. Sounds and feels like they are trying to levy some heavy credibility to his past press release saying that he is not culpable in this Blago corruption.

The only reasons you burn a source are to manipulate / motivate other sources or to protect the integrity of the rest of your operation after the source is no longer useful.

Don't know which of these is in play with JJJr.

395 eon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:13:42am

re: #361 tfc3rid

If you subtract the gambling devices and the lottery, you've just described the Value Added Tax (VAT) that was introduced as a "temporary" measure in the UK in 1947 under the postwar Eden regime', which Britons are still paying today, and which has bankrupted most British industries.

I find it interesting that today, the UK's only remaining arms maker, the official government armory at Enfield, is actually operated for the government by Heckler & Koch in Germany. This is because between oppressive taxes and even more oppressive laws against civilian firearms ownership (the two are joined at the hip), every other former gunmaker in England closed its doors years ago (within two years of Blair becoming PM and hijacking Lords with his "Life Peers"). Car makers, etc., can tell similar tales of woe.

Put simply, if things cost more due to a tax, people buy them less. While an effective way to cut consumption (as with the soft drinks and gas), it also tends to actually reduce government tax revenues, both directly (in terms of less sales to collect taxes on) and indirectly (in terms of an overall slowing-down of the economy). You'd be amazed how may progressive types don't understand this. Watch for the people advocating these tax increases to predict constantly rising tax revenue from them.

We see it here in Ohio every time we have Democrats in control of the governorship and the legislature. We're due for another round this coming year, I predict, as we already have a $600M deficit (created in the last two years by the Democratic Strickland Administration- we had a $750M surplus when his GOP predecessor left office), the Dems will control the state House in the new session, and they are already swearing that they won't raise taxes. (Ohio is already the fourth most heavily taxed state in the Union, and the state Dem leadership is insisting that taxes aren't high enough to "properly fund government".)

Oh, BTW- I just mailed in my renewal for my car license. $56.85 if I keep my existing plates (which I did). So NY isn't as far ahead of OH as you might think- in a headlong race to statewide financial Armageddon.

Well, I have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

396 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:14:10am

re: #385 Miss Trixie

Wonderful! Angel cinnabuns for breakfast!
Luv the winter avatar too...
: )

397 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:15:35am

re: #395 eon

The funny thing is that NY'ers will go to NJ for lower taxes on clothing, cheaper fuel, cheaper groceries, etc...

NY's taxation will be a windfall for NJ...

398 DaddyG  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:15:37am

re: #366 eon

Even worse (or better), while doing an online search for Bob McCall space art last night I ran across a German site that had some guy's artwork of The One as Abraham Lincoln.

I console myself that when this bunch finds out that their Messiah is human after all, most of them won't be able to cope.

/Heads will be exploding like the little green goofs in Mars Attacks.

cheers

eon

I fear as the expectations of change vis-a-vis the new administration are greatly underrealized and they don't have their every whim satisfied by the nanny state the intensity of their hatred will increase and their defensive mechanisms will kick in even more. They will blame everything but themselves but their failed ideas and turn with even more rabid hate upon those that disagree with them.

We have seen it already with the current executive taking the hit for situations created by the legislature and local government entities (bad housing credit, graft, election fraud, etc.)

399 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:17:12am

re: #385 Miss Trixie

{aussie} Morning, darls. New avatar for this wintry, blizzardly day. :D

/Hope you've had yer coffee ... :D

Hi {darls}

HAHAHA - saw your avatar! :-D

Yes, plenty of coffee here as always, love the stuff

400 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:19:21am

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (45 degrees, going up to 65 degrees) but rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

401 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:20:19am

Morning realwest!

Check out my post above for the new taxes proposed by Gov. Patterson... They are all the mor ereason to get the heck out of here...

402 vapig  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:20:29am

Good morning, Lizards! Dark, cold, wet and gloomy in the DC metroland!

403 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:21:07am

re: #394 CIA Reject

Do you get the suggestion here that perhaps this corruption goes way up the political chain of command...and that perhaps others who have information are not releasing it yet? Until the FBI offers these informants some cover and safety (and I don't know how making this JJJr story can be viewed as cover), no one else in current government positions is going to be willing to come forward...in Chicago...

404 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:21:21am

re: #389 Erik The Red

Hi aussie I am here. Managed to find a radio link and listened to most of play after lunch. Pretty much even day. S.A allowed the two big partnerships that set AUS. up nicely and once again your tail wagged. If S.A can keep yuor guys below 350 should be ok as long as S.A top order fires.

Who did you enjoy the live cricket?

Hi Erik! I must say it was a shock at the start with those quick wickets

Ricky Ponting out for a duck?

Good recovery...

405 DaddyG  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:23:14am

Overcast skies here in Hotlanta Georgia... but much needed and appreciated rain has been falling on the peach state!

406 ggt  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:23:42am

I think we should all move to Alaska.

407 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:23:47am

re: #404 aussiemagpie

Hi Erik! I must say it was a shock at the start with those quick wickets

Ricky Ponting out for a duck?

Good recovery...

I dont understand a word of this...but I'm amused

408 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:24:06am

re: #397 tfc3rid

The funny thing is that NY'ers will go to NJ for lower taxes on clothing, cheaper fuel, cheaper groceries, etc...

NY's taxation will be a windfall for NJ...

I thought taxation is NJ was just as bad?

409 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:24:49am

re: #406 ggt

Okay. I still have not been there and want to go!

410 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:25:14am

re: #403 notutopia

Do you get the suggestion here that perhaps this corruption goes way up the political chain of command...and that perhaps others who have information are not releasing it yet? Until the FBI offers these informants some cover and safety (and I don't know how making this JJJr story can be viewed as cover), no one else in current government positions is going to be willing to come forward...in Chicago...

Agree with you there, but I don't think we're seeing everything that is going on. The usual approach is the carrot and the stick. I think we're seeing the stick with JJJr- what we're not seeing is why he's getting it, what the carrot is, and to whom the carrot is being offered.

Like St. Paul we only see "through the glass darkly"...

411 DaddyG  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:26:30am

re: #407 albusteve

I dont understand a word of this...but I'm amused

It's the mother tongue for baseball.

/ducks to avoid a bouncer to the head

412 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:26:37am

re: #400 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (45 degrees, going up to 65 degrees) but rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

*Smooch* from Down Under to {you}

413 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:26:57am

re: #374 Miss Trixie

Morning Dorian, FrogMarch.

Just noshed on a toasted sesame bagel with bacon and tomato and I'm still a starvin' Marvin'.

Maybe these nice red pears will do the trick.

Say, where CtP been lately? I haven't seen him in a while.

mmm bacon...
I can't remember the last time I've seen CtP.

414 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:28:18am

re: #410 CIA Reject

Well the clock is ticking... and if they wait until Obama gets in office, I have the strong suspicion that any further prosecutions other than Blag, will just all conveniently fade away...

415 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:29:30am

re: #407 albusteve

I dont understand a word of this...but I'm amused

Hi there, it's the same for me when the baseball and footy talk starts here on LGF although I do understand a bit about baseball, and your footy has similarities to our codes (like they play with an oval ball) :-)

416 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:30:11am

re: #408 FrogMarch

I thought taxation is NJ was just as bad?

Not in some places... Gas is at least 50 cents cheaper. If NY puts tax on clothing back some locations in NJ are 3%...

417 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:31:45am

re: #416 tfc3rid

Not in some places... Gas is at least 50 cents cheaper. If NY puts tax on clothing back some locations in NJ are 3%...

but then NY will tax you to go to NJ and back. I know - Go to NJ and just keep driving s/west.

418 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:32:13am

re: #411 DaddyG

It's the mother tongue for baseball.

/ducks to avoid a bouncer to the head

Hi

Now that's funny :-)

419 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:33:09am

re: #401 tfc3rid
Good morning my friend - hey, rawmuse posted an article about Patterson, taxes and fees late last night and his was my response:
I was born in North Carolina and will probably die here, but I still think of Manhattan as my
"home" so read your link with care and saw that

I was born in North Carolina and will probably die here, but I still think of Manhattan as my
"home" so read your link with care and saw that

Trying to close a $15.4 billion budget gap, Paterson called for 88 new fees and a host of other taxes, including an "iPod tax" that taxes the sale of downloaded music and other "digitally delivered entertainment services."
"We're going to have to take some extreme measures," Paterson said Tuesday after unveiling the slash-and-burn budget.

The proposal, which needs legislative approval, did not include broad-based income tax increases, but relied on smaller ones to raise $4.1 billion from cash-strapped New Yorkers.

Movie tickets, taxi rides, soda, beer, wine, cigars and massages would be taxed under Paterson's proposal. It also extends sales taxes to cable and satellite TV services and removes the tax exemption for clothes costing less than $110.


and that's at the STATE LEVEL! Wait until Mayor Bloomberg gets his mitts out there for cigarettes, trans-fat fast food (and other) places, and all of NYC's various and sundry taxes (income, sales) and fees!

420 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:33:18am

{realwest} Morning, luv. *smoochie-smooch* How are you?

We've got lots of gorebull warming coming down outside. Want some?

{ggt} Manitoba Snow Fairy. :D

421 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:33:51am

re: #415 aussiemagpie

Hi there, it's the same for me when the baseball and footy talk starts here on LGF although I do understand a bit about baseball, and your footy has similarities to our codes (like they play with an oval ball) :-)

footy talk codes?...excuse me?

422 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:34:10am

re: #419 realwest
RATS! It's a lot harder to quote yourself while you're on your first cuppa coffee than I realized! LOL!

423 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:34:30am

re: #417 FrogMarch

but then NY will tax you to go to NJ and back. I know - Go to NJ and just keep driving s/west.

Well that is true... It costs $6 to return to NY from NJ...

424 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:34:43am

Ugh...I have to venture out into the wilds of Scotland now to do some Christmas shopping...judging by the way the walls are billowing, the weather isn't too nice outside...bbl

425 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:35:23am

re: #419 realwest

And don't forget what Chairman Obama is bringing us in terms of hope and change as well...

426 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:35:25am

re: #406 ggt
Hi ggt! OK - you first! And don't forget to send postcards! LOL!

427 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:35:39am

re: #403 notutopia

Do you get the suggestion here that perhaps this corruption goes way up the political chain of command...and that perhaps others who have information are not releasing it yet? Until the FBI offers these informants some cover and safety (and I don't know how making this JJJr story can be viewed as cover), no one else in current government positions is going to be willing to come forward...in Chicago...


This may shape up to be one of the rare occasions where shit really can run up hill!

428 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:35:59am

re: #419 realwest

Mornin" RW and all y'all. That's the ticket. Let's not cut anything let's raise taxes! Our local municipality wants to tax utilities. Thing is they DON"T provide any!

429 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:36:09am

footy talk codes and billiowing walls...hmmm

I love this town...

430 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:36:26am

re: #330 eon

The crunch will come when the new administration tries to fulfill the wishes of all its enablers- which they will. (They're progressives- it's part of their dogma.) Since they cannot resist the urge to "act", the money will have to come from somewhere. This leaves them with the following realistic options;

1. Borrow it (probably from overseas- think the PRC);

2. Encourage foreign friends to "contribute" it (sort of a reverse "Marshall Plan"); or

3. Take private assets here at home to make up the difference.

There is a 4th option, which is to just print the money. The Fed's can expand bank deposits by a mere accounting entry.

Which is exactly what I think they are going to do.

431 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:36:26am

re: #422 realwest

It's okay real...you could quote yourself triple times over.. We still love ya!
Good morning neighbor!

432 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:36:38am

re: #412 aussiemagpie
Hi {aussie} *smoooch* back to you - how are you doing on this early Thursday morning?

433 pbird  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:37:10am

re: #24 redc1c4

was talking with the local Fire dept today... the Bn Chief vehicle crew, and it seems that someone is spending tax $ to come up with a plan for the complete evacuation of the greater LA basin... everybody.

WTF?

Indeed.

434 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:37:55am

re: #428 pingjockey

Mornin" RW and all y'all. That's the ticket. Let's not cut anything let's raise taxes! Our local municipality wants to tax utilities. Thing is they DON"T provide any!

They are going to be cutting resources quite a bit but in the end, it will only lead to a spending increase of 1%...

435 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:38:06am

re: #421 albusteve

footy talk codes?...excuse me?

"Footy" must mean football.
No clue what "codes" means.

436 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:38:35am

The Obama pattern continues.

437 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:39:13am

re: #414 notutopia

Well the clock is ticking... and if they wait until Obama gets in office, I have the strong suspicion that any further prosecutions other than Blag, will just all conveniently fade away...

You're right about that. I think burning JJJr is a way of shaking the trees- letting everybody that JJJr might know something about know that they may have been compromised in the hopes that that knowledge may make one of them nervous enough to either talk or make a stupid mistake.

438 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:39:13am

re: #434 tfc3rid
OK. Hadn't seen anything like that in the media. On a lighter note, the moonbats on the west side of the Cascades are dealing with SNOW! Mwahahahahaha!

439 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:39:35am

re: #358 summergurl

Would you like me to make another prediction? Let's see we will end 50 bucks up - what's your guess 3 Wood?

I think there will be a sell off today. Profit taking.

440 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:39:37am

re: #420 {Miss Trixie} Good morning gorgeous - *Smoooces* back to you!
Just checked your avatar - either you know a lot of nudist type people or that's the same guy with a snowblower, with the photo taken from a different angel!
Actually I prefer the one prior to this one (of the dog that looks like Lil Miss)!

441 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:40:37am

re: #435 reine.de.tout

"Footy" must mean football.
No clue what "codes" means.

I figured it for a sort of sissified word for football...with regard of course

442 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:40:44am

re: #437 CIA Reject

You're right about that. I think burning JJJr is a way of shaking the trees- letting everybody that JJJr might know something about know that they may have been compromised in the hopes that that knowledge may make one of them nervous enough to either talk or make a stupid mistake.

That is just too psychologically complex for me to understand.

443 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:40:52am

re: #421 albusteve

footy talk codes?...excuse me?

LOL! we have a few codes (types) of footy - rugby union, rugby league and Aussie Rules

You're making me laugh here, thanks :-)

444 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:41:38am

re: #420 Miss Trixie

{realwest} Morning, luv. *smoochie-smooch* How are you?

We've got lots of gorebull warming coming down outside. Want some?

{ggt} Manitoba Snow Fairy. :D

Funny funny avatar!
Love it!
What happened to the cute pooch?

445 Crux Australis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:41:41am

re: #435 reine.de.tout

"Footy" must mean football.
No clue what "codes" means.

In Aussie slang footy = football of any description
codes = different types of football - soccer, NFL, Rugby etc.

446 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:41:44am

re: #443 aussiemagpie

LOL! we have a few codes (types) of footy - rugby union, rugby league and Aussie Rules

You're making me laugh here, thanks :-)

I'm making you laugh...well HA!

447 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:42:03am

re: #425 tfc3rid
What on earth are you talking about my friend? After Obama "wins" the war in Iraq and then talks us out of the war in Afghanistan, and then slashes our defense budget by at least 25%, why we'll have a surplus not a deficit! And of course Obama will give us all tax refunds, right?!
/heavy!

448 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:42:29am
449 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:42:36am

re: #443 aussiemagpie
Goddamn ESPN won't show rugby here! Heathens! The wife is from Wales and when they do show rugby she gets wound up!

450 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:42:38am

re: #445 Crux Australis

In Aussie slang footy = football of any description
codes = different types of football - soccer, NFL, Rugby etc.

thank you!

451 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:42:50am

re: #436 FrogMarch

Either Obama is so entrenched in the corruption..OR, he's just been given the Dem party teflon protection of Underbus priviledges, this is just sick...either way!

452 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:43:56am

Dollar Libor falls after Fed decision

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- The London interbank offered rate, which banks charge each other for short-term loans, fell Wednesday -- a day after the U.S. Federal Reserve dropped interest rates to historic lows. Three-month Libor fell to 1.58% -- the lowest since July 2004 -- from 1.85% on Tuesday. Libor spiked higher this fall as banks became reluctant to lend to each other in the wake of the collapse of Lehman Brothers. Before the credit crunch, three-month Libor typically traded within half a percentage point or so of the official Fed funds rate. The Fed on Wednesday dropped the rate to a target between zero and 0.25% from 1%.

453 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:44:04am

re: #432 realwest

Hi {aussie} *smoooch* back to you - how are you doing on this early Thursday morning?

Hi {darls}, I'm happy, it's almost the end of the week, I see my son next week, and the Aussies have recovered well after a disastrous start in the cricket (v South Africa)

How's your sore shoulder? Better I hope!

454 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:44:23am

re: #450 reine.de.tout

thank you!

yes thanks...I feel more worldly now

455 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:44:33am

re: #428 pingjockey
Oh good morning Ping! Hell NYC taxes Con Edison all the time (which, of course,Con Edison passes on to the Consumer) and so does NYState - course the State is the only entity that can approve rate increases for Con Ed so ya can see that NY is struggling, perhaps vainly, for the Most Corrupt state in the United States!
How are ya today?

456 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:44:50am

Now you see Obama and Blago - now you don't.

They disappeared it.

457 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:44:50am

re: #448 bosforus

Bwa ha ha!
Saudis try to break up a camel fight.

that was funny!
There were so many people crowded around there at the end, I couldn't see the camels.

458 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:45:31am

re: #457 reine.de.tout

that was funny!
There were so many people crowded around there at the end, I couldn't see the camels.

The opera music was an odd touch. Those camels are mean suckers!

459 bloodnok  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:45:35am

re: #449 pingjockey

Goddamn ESPN won't show rugby here! Heathens! The wife is from Wales and when they do show rugby she gets wound up!

Setanta sports just became available on Comcast so I'm watching a ton of rugby -Wales included. Great stuff. It's an expensive channel though.

460 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:46:22am

re: #444 reine.de.tout

Funny funny avatar!
Love it!
What happened to the cute pooch?

realwest, reine

After the latest sneaux-storm is pretty much cleaned up, I will re-install that adorable pooch for Christmas. He's a cutie-pie!

461 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:46:24am

re: #446 albusteve

I'm making you laugh...well HA!

Glad it's mutual! :-)

I love talking to foreigners!/

462 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:46:35am

re: #458 bosforus

The opera music was an odd touch. Those camels are mean suckers!

In Saudi Arabia - what is the significance of the red checked head scarves? anybody know?

463 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:46:54am

re: #456 FrogMarch

Now you see Obama and Blago - now you don't.

They disappeared it.

At least they didn't just airbrush Blago out of the photo. That would have been a little too on the nose, no?

464 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:46:58am

re: #462 reine.de.tout

In Saudi Arabia - what is the significance of the red checked head scarves? anybody know?

No idea. Sneaky Purina advertising?

465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:47:31am

re: #462 reine.de.tout

In Saudi Arabia - what is the significance of the red checked head scarves? anybody know?

They come in handy for picnics, or a game of checkers to while away the lazy afternoons.

466 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:47:33am

re: #452 3 wood

Dollar Libor falls after Fed decision

Ok, your clip and paste of this article state that the Lidor fell after the Feds cut the rate.

But I don't see anything that indicates that the banks used this rate cut to start extending credit that they were sitting on.

Am I missing something here?

467 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:47:52am

re: #455 realwest
All good here. Just bloody cold. Single digits and teens till next week. Light snow falling now. Was in tourist central yesterday, Leavenworth Wa. It looks like a transplanted Bavarian Village and they do Christmas Lighting ceremonies every night. Moonbats from the world over come there and get in the way of the locals who're trying to work !

468 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:48:26am

re: #465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They come in handy for picnics, or a game of checkers to while away the lazy afternoons.

And they are also handy if you suddenly have the urge of open up an Italian eatery.

469 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:48:31am

re: #456 FrogMarch

WOW! The Obama spooks are twitchy today!

470 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:48:51am

re: #459 bloodnok
No comcast on the eastside of the Cascades! Or at least hereabouts!

471 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:49:05am

re: #467 pingjockey

All good here. Just bloody cold. Single digits and teens till next week. Light snow falling now. Was in tourist central yesterday, Leavenworth Wa. It looks like a transplanted Bavarian Village and they do Christmas Lighting ceremonies every night. Moonbats from the world over come there and get in the way of the locals who're trying to work !

Do they light the manger every night too!

472 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:49:26am

re: #464 bosforus

No idea. Sneaky Purina advertising?

!re: #465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They come in handy for picnics, or a game of checkers to while away the lazy afternoons.

Ah, thank you both.
The things you learn here on LGF . . . it's just amazing. So many smart (aleck) people

473 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:50:24am

re: #449 pingjockey

Goddamn ESPN won't show rugby here! Heathens! The wife is from Wales and when they do show rugby she gets wound up!

Hi there, and that's a shame!

BTW I must say your post moved me the other day ...the one where realwest wanted you to email him

474 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:50:25am

re: #461 aussiemagpie

Glad it's mutual! :-)

I love talking to foreigners!/

I'm no foreigner!...I'm a New Mexican!...'round here foreigners are like from Vermont or somewhere...wherever that is...

475 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:50:39am

re: #456 FrogMarch

Now you see Obama and Blago - now you don't.

They disappeared it.

Obama got thrown down the memory hole! Bwahahahahahaha

476 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:50:41am

re: #431 notutopia
Good morning back atcha! How are y'all today?

477 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:50:41am

re: #442 reine.de.tout

That is just too psychologically complex for me to understand.

My explanation really sucked- the principle is based on the fact that "there is no honor among thieves". Just suppose that there is a large conspiracy that you want to bring down. You manage to get one of the conspirators to cooperate, at least partially. You then announce publicly that said conspirator is cooperating, has been cooperating for a long time, and is a source for your investigation.

The other conspirators do not know: 1) how much the source knows about their activities 2) what specifically the source has told the investigation.

1 & 2 create a great amount of internal tension in the conspiracy as all the other conspirators fly into "save-ass" mode. A good investigator takes advantage of that tension and uncertainty to further penetrate the conspiracy.

/That explanation is probably worse than my original- sorry...

478 lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:50:50am

"Blagojevich went out of his way to say, 'You know I was considering your wife for the lottery job and the $25,000 you didn't give me? That's why she's not getting the job,'" the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing federal investigation."

This reminds me of the State Sen. in MA who got caught on tape stuffing a cash bribe for a liquor license into her bra while out in the open at a (nice) restaurant.

The commonality being how absolutely vulgar and unsophisticated their graft is. The greed (entitlement, whatever) really is amazing. Not to mention debasing themselves entirely for a few grand. It really is amazing that so many get away with this stuff for so long.

479 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:51:08am

re: #430 3 wood

There is a 4th option, which is to just print the money. The Fed's can expand bank deposits by a mere accounting entry.

Which is exactly what I think they are going to do.

Past is prologue.

480 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:51:27am

Jackson Jr. went to authorities about Illinois governor

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who was cited in a criminal complaint against Rod Blagojevich, went to the U.S. Attorney's office about alleged wrongdoers, including the Illinois governor, a Jackson spokesman said Tuesday.

Jackson rejected being labeled with the term "informant" in a message to CNN contributor Roland Martin.

Spokesman Kenneth Edmonds described Jackson's interaction with federal authorities this way: "As a responsible citizen and elected official, Congressman Jackson has in the past provided information to federal authorities regarding his personal knowledge of perceived corruption and governmental misconduct.

This is good, the son of the ultimate Shake Down Artist going to the FBI about others being corrupt. Anyway, here's the interesting part:

In addition, two sources close to Jackson told CNN that, in 2002, Blagojevich -- then running for governor of Illinois -- solicited a $25,000 campaign donation from Jackson, which he did not get.

At the time, Jackson's wife, Sandi, was a candidate for the job of director of the state's Lottery Commission, a post she did not win, the sources said.

After Blagojevich took office, in early 2003, he told Jackson something to the effect of, "You see what $25,000 would have done?" the sources said.

In 2006, Jackson reported the incident, which he believed to have been an attempt at a shakedown, the sources said.

The report, the sources said, came three three years later because Jackson's memory was jogged by another case -- that of developer Tony Rezko, whose fraud and corruption trial included testimony about $25,000 donations to Blagojevich.

So it slipped the outraged JJJ's mind for 3 years to report the incident. 2006 by the way was when Blago was running for reelection.

481 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:51:33am

Wow...

Time gave Obama the Man of the Year award, and they are using that Marxist styled poster for the cover... see CNN...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I'm surprised he didn't have to share it with Che. If you place a Che poster and the Obama posted together on the cover, you couldn't tell the difference of the art work.

482 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:52:06am

re: #476 realwest

Good morning Real. How are you today?

483 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:52:10am

re: #472 reine.de.tout

Ah, thank you both.
The things you learn here on LGF . . . it's just amazing. So many smart (aleck) people

Sometimes you can just tell when a question's going to be taken seriously. The snark to fact ratio's about 10:1 around here.

484 summergurl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:52:36am

re: #439 3 wood

I think there will be a sell off today. Profit taking.

Okay - see you at 430 ... (smile)

485 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:52:36am

re: #483 bosforus

Sometimes you can just tell when a question's not going to be taken seriously. The snark to fact ratio's about 10:1 around here.

PIMF

486 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:53:27am

Speaking of the Auto bailout. Doesn't GM realize that bankruptcy would be the best solution? Restructuring GM could force the cancerous (but well meaning *pfft*) UAW out and free GM to finally make a profit. (how dare they! /democraps)

GM could re-structure and come out stronger than ever. Purge the UAW, purge bad business practices, purge bloat, purge management, purge cars named "Malibu" etc... and start making cars people want to buy - all while making a profit. Gee- what a concept.

The only thing standing in the way is George Bush and the pay-to-play in-the-pocket-of-the-unions bully boy democrats.

487 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:54:20am

re: #458 bosforus

That was the Saudi equivalent of a cock fight. I'm surprised they weren't laying side bets.
; )

488 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:54:20am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

I am curious. Does Time always pick the winner of the presidential election when it is a new President? Don't get me wrong, I am not defending them, I am just asking if this is unusual.

489 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:54:30am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Wow...

Time gave Obama the Man of the Year award, and they are using that Marxist styled poster for the cover... see CNN...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I'm surprised he didn't have to share it with Che. If you place a Che poster and the Obama posted together on the cover, you couldn't tell the difference of the art work.

if thats the point...then indeed Time can eat shit and die...I despise this whole Che idoltarian thing...simply sickening

490 pingjockey  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:54:31am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton
The churches all have Nativity scenes and we have more churches than bars so there aren't any people raising hell about Nativity scenes. BBL.

491 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:54:53am

re: #463 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

si. must be delicate with the disappearing.

492 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:55:05am
493 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:55:23am

re: #486 FrogMarch

... The only thing standing in the way is George Bush and the pay-to-play in-the-pocket-of-the-unions bully boy democrats.

The only thing standing in the way is the Plutocracy who is demanding that money and they will get it. Next question?

494 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:55:28am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Walter, he's come to save us all from ourselves... He is The One...

495 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:55:38am

re: #476 realwest

Great...just ducky weather...and that is NO underestimation here.
: )

496 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:56:08am

re: #365 HoosierHoops
hiya hoops :>)

497 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:56:22am
498 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:56:28am

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

Ok, your clip and paste of this article state that the Lidor fell after the Feds cut the rate.

But I don't see anything that indicates that the banks used this rate cut to start extending credit that they were sitting on.

Am I missing something here?

Time will tell when they do.

As I posted upthread, I think we need to have some more stability in the market before the banks start cutting loose a whole lot with the funds. Right now the VIX is down to about 51 when it was up inthe 80's just 2 months ago, a drop of 42% in volatility but still high.

It's progress, slow but improving.

499 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:56:42am

re: #488 Ford_Prefect

I am curious. Does Time always pick the winner of the presidential election when it is a new President? Don't get me wrong, I am not defending them, I am just asking if this is unusual.

I don't know, check out the list...

[Link: history1900s.about.com...]

500 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:57:45am

re: #477 CIA Reject

My explanation really sucked- the principle is based on the fact that "there is no honor among thieves". Just suppose that there is a large conspiracy that you want to bring down. You manage to get one of the conspirators to cooperate, at least partially. You then announce publicly that said conspirator is cooperating, has been cooperating for a long time, and is a source for your investigation.

The other conspirators do not know: 1) how much the source knows about their activities 2) what specifically the source has told the investigation.

1 & 2 create a great amount of internal tension in the conspiracy as all the other conspirators fly into "save-ass" mode. A good investigator takes advantage of that tension and uncertainty to further penetrate the conspiracy.

/That explanation is probably worse than my original- sorry...

No, that was a good explanation, and I appreciate your effort to make it.

Sometimes I watch these "reality"-TV cop shows (not the fiction shows, but the ones where they follow cops around as they try to solve a case). Or I read books about various cases, where they have transcriptions of these interviews with suspects.

It's always interesting to me just how well the cops conduct those interviews. In takes a lot of training, a lot of experience, and a lot of "gut instinct" to do those interviews well. I'm not sure I would have the patience for it - well, I know for sure I would not have the patience for it.

But it is interesting to watch or read about.

501 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:57:46am
502 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:58:21am

re: #453 aussiemagpie
Ah, well it sounds like good news, footy wise for y'all!
(btw, y'all aren't gonna get that sport famous or rich if you keep calling it "footy" - everytime I see that word I crack up!). Shoulder is much better, thanks!

503 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:58:48am

re: #484 summergurl

Okay - see you at 430 ... (smile)

I hope I'm wrong and you are right.

504 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:59:09am

re: #498 3 wood

Time will tell when they do.

As I posted upthread, I think we need to have some more stability in the market before the banks start cutting loose a whole lot with the funds. Right now the VIX is down to about 51 when it was up inthe 80's just 2 months ago, a drop of 42% in volatility but still high.

It's progress, slow but improving.

I don't mean this tacky-like, but I am going to hold you to it. As you may have gathered from the tone of my questions, I barely understand squat about the market, but I do know a lot about human nature, and I don't think it's going to happen.

Let's see, I'm interested in the outcome.

505 Miss Trixie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:59:14am
506 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:59:28am

re: #483 bosforus

Sometimes you can just tell when a question's going to be taken seriously. The snark to fact ratio's about 10:1 around here.

And it's one of the reasons this place is so enjoyable.
Plus, it gave me great fodder for the "roflmao" section of the cookbook.

Speaking of which, in case anyone missed, it, COOKBOOK UPDATE.

507 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:00:03am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

The only thing standing in the way is the Plutocracy who is demanding that money and they will get it. Next question?

I beleive we are more of an Oligarchy. I know plenty of wealthy people who have nothing to do with the current state of affairs in DC.

508 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:00:29am
509 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:00:33am

re: #467 pingjockey
Oh, LOL, LOL! Not laughing at you Ping, but at your "Was in tourist central yesterday, Leavenworth Wa." line! LOL!
I NEVER HEARD of Leavenworth Wa.! Leavenworth, Ks, yes, but not Wa.! LOL!

510 DaddyG  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:00:46am

re: #483 bosforus

Sometimes you can just tell when a question's going to be taken seriously. The snark to fact ratio's about 10:1 around here.

A woman at church once told my wife and I that as parents we should never be sarcastic with our children. My kids overheard and it was all they could do to keep from bursting into spasms of laughter.

In our home nothing says "I love you enough to keep you alive in spite of yourself" like sarcasm.

511 MJ  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:01:04am

State Department official at Jimmy Carter's talk in Lebanon:

"Though Carter has strained relations with the Bush administration, the U.S. envoy to Lebanon, Ambassador Michele Sison, appeared for the talk."

Why did Secretary Rice permit any member of the US State Department to attend a talk designed to promote Hamas and Hezbollah by the antisemitic Jimmy Carter?

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

512 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:01:50am

re: #502 realwest

Ah, well it sounds like good news, footy wise for y'all!
(btw, y'all aren't gonna get that sport famous or rich if you keep calling it "footy" - everytime I see that word I crack up!). Shoulder is much better, thanks!

Good to hear that your shoulder is better darls, it's cricket this time of year though - long hot days of summer...and a good cricket match

Footy is a great word, you should use it there too!

513 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:03:12am

re: #492 ploome hineni

that type of manipulation,in the west, may be the most frightening trend to come out of this election cycle
the normalization of revision history

Indeed. This election cycle is the most neo-Marxist showcase we have ever witnessed in modern history. We are so close to state run media. Obama expects it. Just yesterday he says to a reporter: "Don't waste your question".

wow.

514 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:03:51am

Good morning.

So, the Washington DC city council is already starting to screw around with the SCOTUS (Heller)-mandated gun law liberalization.

Big surprise.

Law-abiding DC gun owners to City Council: See you in court.

515 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:03:55am

believe *pimf*

516 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:03:57am

re: #511 MJ

Why did Secretary Rice permit any member of the US State Department to attend a talk designed to promote Hamas and Hezbollah by the antisemitic Jimmy Carter?

I think you answered your own question

517 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:04:17am

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

I don't know, check out the list...

[Link: history1900s.about.com...]

The only newly elected Pres not to get it since Nixon was George Bush the elder. The 'Endangered earth' won it in 1988. However, 'The Two George Bushes' won it in 1990. Surprisingly George Bush the younger won it in 2000 and 2004, while Bill Clinton did not win it in 1996. Reagan shared it in 1983 with Yuri Andropov but did not win it in 1984 (Peter Ueberroth).

518 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:04:56am

we are talking about identical crickets again? re: #512 aussiemagpie

519 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:04:59am

The saga continues, day two. Watch Franken try and steal the election, starting any minute now!

Live feed.

/hosted by Lileks!

520 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:06:22am

re: #505 Miss Trixie

reine

You can start here.

Thanks.
I guess I could've done that myself, eh?

521 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:06:45am

re: #507 FrogMarch

I beleive we are more of an Oligarchy. I know plenty of wealthy people who have nothing to do with the current state of affairs in DC.

It has nothing to do with EVERY wealthy person having their hands in the government pot... see...

The second usage of plutocracy is a pejorative reference to a disproportionate influence the wealthy are said to have on political process in contemporary society. Positive influence includes campaign contributions and bribes; negative influence includes refusing to support the government financially by refusing to pay taxes, threatening to move profitable industries elsewhere, and so on. It can also be exerted by the owners and ad buyers of media properties which can shape public perception of political issues. Recent examples include Rupert Murdoch's News Corp's alleged political agendas in Australia, the UK[2] and the United States or the oil industry oligarchy, and billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, which may back right-leaning political action committees (PACs), as well as billionaire George Soros' efforts to influence US politics by backing left-leaning PACs.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Of course, a hell of a lot of people would disagree with me.

522 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:07:38am

re: #519 Killian Bundy

The saga continues, day two. Watch Franken try and steal the election, starting any minute now!

Live feed.

/hosted by Lileks!

What a joke. Can the Democrats just hand it to him and end this charade? We already know Franken-Joker is going to steal it. enough already.

523 DaddyG  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:08:25am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Wow...

Time gave Obama the Man of the Year award, and they are using that Marxist styled poster for the cover... see CNN...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I'm surprised he didn't have to share it with Che. If you place a Che poster and the Obama posted together on the cover, you couldn't tell the difference of the art work.

Why is it every time I see that retro poster of Obama I can hear the Internationale playing?

524 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:08:51am
525 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:08:54am

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Of course, a hell of a lot of people would disagree with me.

who?...it's an irrefutable truth imo

526 izbliss  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:08:57am

Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.

re: #23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.

527 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:09:24am

re: #519 Killian Bundy

The saga continues, day two. Watch Franken try and steal the election, starting any minute now!

Live feed.

/hosted by Lileks!

/alternate feed

528 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:11:02am

re: #477 CIA Reject
Well I didn't read your original comment, but assume it relates to the revelation that Rahm Emmanuel has been caught, ON WIRETAPS, talking on 21 different different occasions with someone from Blago's staff about filling Obama's Senate Seat!
Someone mentioned over the weekend that maybe Emmanuel had been working for the FBI all along - and that's the kind of thinking which would let Blago walk! If Rahm had been working for the FBI all along (while he is still a member of Congress,no less) then Blago has a great "Entrapment" defense going for him!
BTW, anyone know if Emmanuel finally relinquished his seat in Congress or is he waiting until Obama actually gets sworn in to make sure he (Emmanuel) is more difficult to throw under the bus?!?

529 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:11:02am

re: #526 izbliss

Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.

Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.

Are you trying to say that New Yorkers have no one to blame but themselves?

530 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:11:12am

re: #523 DaddyG

Why is it every time I see that retro poster of Obama I can hear the Internationale playing?

I confronted some middle aged female wearing a Che tee in a Target store last year...only moments after mussing up a bunch for sale...I made quite a scene in the end actually...spit

531 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:11:46am

re: #523 DaddyG

Why is it every time I see that retro poster of Obama I can hear the Internationale playing?

Because the designer of the poster runs a graphic company that feature retro-revolutionary art. I don't have the link, but the artist's web site is scary. You may find the site by googling something like "obama posters art"

532 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:12:15am

Side note - if you ever find yourself believing too much in people and humanity take a stroll through psyih.com (People You'll See in Hell). Some people are just sick. I read about the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs and much to my regret watched some of the video of one of their 21 murders. I've seen some pretty gut-wrenching videos on teh internets but good Lord, it made me nauseous and faint. I hadn't felt that way since 9/11. I'm not trying to pique your curiosity about it either, this is an honest warning to just stay away from it unless you've got something on your resume equivalent to Spanish Inquisition Torturer because that's the level of desensitization you'll need to be able to watch it comfortably. I'm not even joking about that either. Anyways, sorry to bring this up, I just had to get it off my chest to keep my day going normally.

533 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:12:36am

Good morning.

Last night my first cousin-a blood relative-told me on the phone that he had been reading a lot of Chompsky lately-and he really tells it like it is. I thought I was going to die.

534 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:12:37am

re: #518 apachegunner

we are talking about identical crickets again?

LOL!

I try so hard each summer to share the joy of cricket here...:-)

535 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:13:05am

The Secret Life of Syrian Lingerie

Looking for that special spiral bra decorated with butterflies? How about a singing panties covered in feathers? Come on down to the souk!

536 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:14:12am

re: #535 Kenneth

The Secret Life of Syrian Lingerie

Looking for that special spiral bra decorated with butterflies? How about a singing panties covered in feathers? Come on down to the souk!

So what do the women wear?

537 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:15:14am

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

Breaking down your link:

negative influence includes refusing to support the government financially by refusing to pay taxes, threatening to move profitable industries elsewhere

I'm thinking Marc Rich and Charlie Rangel.

Recent examples include Rupert Murdoch's News Corp's alleged political agendas in Australia, the UK[2] and the United States

Rupert Murdoch is a smart media man. The left hate him becasue he owns FOX news. There is no there - there with this guy (IMO. Certainly there is zero evidence that Rupert is doing what Soros is doing.

the oil industry oligarchy, and billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, which may back right-leaning political action committees (PACs), as well as billionaire George Soros' efforts to influence US politics by backing left-leaning PACs.

"Big Oil" tends to contribute to both parties.
George Soros is a limitless sorce of stealth funding for one party.
hmmm.

538 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:15:28am

PLOOMIE - are you here?

I sent an e-mail, don't know if it went through. My e-mail system seems to be - screwed up.

Time to reboot, I guess.

539 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:15:38am

Well isn't this great. We have had a tad more snow and guess what. I'm the only person here?


Me thinks i shoulds have stayed home. 0-:

540 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:16:00am

re: #533 WriterMom

Good morning.

Last night my first cousin-a blood relative-told me on the phone that he had been reading a lot of Chompsky lately-and he really tells it like it is. I thought I was going to die.

Quick send him this book, before it's too late!

541 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:16:07am

yes, I too love crickets in the summers evenings re: #534 aussiemagpie

542 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:16:10am

re: #532 bosforus

Why would you bother? Sick of goodness? Not me-not ever.

543 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:16:36am

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

Because the designer of the poster runs a graphic company that feature retro-revolutionary art. I don't have the link, but the artist's web site is scary. You may find the site by googling something like "obama posters art"

Remember the poster about dogs voting for CBBHO that Zombie found? It was modeled after a Soviet poster.

544 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:16:50am

re: #525 albusteve

who?...it's an irrefutable truth imo

A lot of people who have their finances staked in a lot of big business. I have been listening to high profile conservative all over the country patting the Congress, House and Administration over all this money that they are handing out like soup at the mission.

And even here on LGF, you hear "the bailouts are necessary," "they are good for the country" and so on.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that if you were able to sit down with these pro-big money folks, and they would be honest with you about their stake in it, you will find most of them are into it deep.

I don't blame people for not wanting to lose everything they have worked for, but when does principle work into the equation?

Maybe that's why where I am, I won't compromise simple principles, never, and it will be the death of me.

545 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:16:57am

re: #540 Kenneth

Kenneth, darling-it's hopeless. He is a militant vegan and part of the socialist side of the family.

546 DaddyG  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:17:33am

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

Because the designer of the poster runs a graphic company that feature retro-revolutionary art. I don't have the link, but the artist's web site is scary. You may find the site by googling something like "obama posters art"

I can't decide if it would be more frightening if the similarities of the Obama posters and communist revolutionary posters were intentional or unintentional. Either way it is spooky for anyone who's grasp of the history of political art includes anything earlier than the 2008 election cycle.

547 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:17:41am

re: #480 3 wood
Good morning my friend - I must say y'all have a great system there in Chicago and Illinois - fiduciary jobs up for sale to the highest bidder - every two to four years! LOL!
And the idea of Jr. "reporting corruption" on others is just laughable - he opens his yap about Emmanuel, for example and suddenly Jr won't be able to get anything done for his constitutents (this of course, presupposes he would have tried to get something done for his constitutents but since he's "entitled", I'm not so sure he woulda tried to in the first place!).
BTW, do ya think certain Leftists have confused the terms "Titled" (as in Sir or Lady in GB) and "Entitled"; cause they sure act as if those terms were interchangeable!

548 lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:17:43am

re: #528 realwest

According to the official site, he'still Rep.

549 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:18:11am

re: #504 Walter L. Newton

I don't mean this tacky-like, but I am going to hold you to it. As you may have gathered from the tone of my questions, I barely understand squat about the market, but I do know a lot about human nature, and I don't think it's going to happen.

Holding me to what? I'm not guaranteeing anything. Many events beyond anybody's control or ability to see coming can change things.

I'm reporting the economic datat and trying to explain what I see as best I can.

550 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:18:28am

re: #511 MJ

Why? Because she's a useless idiot when it comes to Israel, and will do anything to ram through another surrender of territory by Israel before Bush leaves office. A final "f9ck you" going away present to the Jews.

551 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:19:16am

re: #276 Miss Trixie

OMG! Your avitar! LOLOLOL

552 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:19:25am

re: #482 Ford_Prefect
Hi ya Ford! I'm doing ok, thanks (do need that second cuppa though!) how are you doing?!

553 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:19:53am

re: #542 WriterMom

Why would you bother? Sick of goodness? Not me-not ever.

Sick of goodness?

Sorry, that was a very dry way to put it.

554 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:06am

re: #528 realwest

Good Morning RW! Actually my original post was in reference to the announcement that Jesse Jackson Jr. has been cooperating with the Blago investigation, but the exact same dynamics can be applied to Emanuel.

At this point I think ANYBODY connected to Blago (and that includes BO in a big way) is sh*tting bricks about what the Feds may know about their activities. This may well cause a feeding frenzy inside the Chicago political machine.

And that feeding frenzy may soon include the President of the United States.

/Interesting times indeed...

555 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:40am

re: #552 realwest


Morning Realwest.

Send warm air please. I'm frezzing here. (-:

556 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:53am

re: #526 izbliss

Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.

Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.Didn't New Yorkers elect this guy? If so, what are they whining about? They have nobody to blame but themselves.

Actually we did not... NY'ers elected Eliot Spitzer...

557 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:57am

re: #500 reine.de.tout

That it is...

558 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:14am

hey RW how ya doing?

559 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:23am
560 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:32am

re: #527 Killian Bundy

/alternate feed

Norm Coleman leads by 265 votes

164 challenged ballots reviewed
as of Wednesday, 9:17 am

561 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:32am

re: #542 WriterMom

Why would you bother? Sick of goodness? Not me-not ever.

I just read the transcript and I am queasy.

562 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:33am

re: #486 FrogMarch
Uh, good morning FrogMarch - you don't understand, "GM" is the CEO, other higher up type management and the Board of Directors and if they go for bankruptcy, there's a good chance (well, we can pray) that they'll lose their jobs!
What'll they do for health care coverage?! LOL!

563 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:37am

re: #553 bosforus

I just think there is enough bad news on every day news web sites and newspapers etc...to browse a web site that actually aggregates the worst news and most horrible things is really too much. Better to spend those moments doing something to change the world for the better-no mater how trivial seeming those actions are.

564 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:45am

re: #546 DaddyG

I can't decide if it would be more frightening if the similarities of the Obama posters and communist revolutionary posters were intentional or unintentional. Either way it is spooky for anyone who's grasp of the history of political art includes anything earlier than the 2008 election cycle.

Here is the link to his WIKI

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And here is his link to his web site. His company's name is Obey.

[Link: obeygiant.com...]

565 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:57am

re: #556 tfc3rid
to bad he couldn't keep his dick in his drawers huh?

566 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:08am

re: #560 Dustyvet

Jezzz, well this re-count ever end? LOL

567 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:20am

re: #549 3 wood

Holding me to what? I'm not guaranteeing anything. Many events beyond anybody's control or ability to see coming can change things.

I'm reporting the economic datat and trying to explain what I see as best I can.

I meant that rhetorically. Sorry to step on your foot.

568 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:33am

Anyone know if Lowe's or HD or any large hardware store would carry voltage-rated gloves? I'm not finding them at their websites.

569 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:40am
570 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:44am

re: #544 Walter L. Newton

A lot of people who have their finances staked in a lot of big business. I have been listening to high profile conservative all over the country patting the Congress, House and Administration over all this money that they are handing out like soup at the mission.

And even here on LGF, you hear "the bailouts are necessary," "they are good for the country" and so on.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that if you were able to sit down with these pro-big money folks, and they would be honest with you about their stake in it, you will find most of them are into it deep.


I don't blame people for not wanting to lose everything they have worked for, but when does principle work into the equation?

Maybe that's why where I am, I won't compromise simple principles, never, and it will be the death of me.

I was being somewhat facecious...those with their vested interests can call it whatever they want...in fact they are part of or support a rising plutocracy...no doublespeak will change the facts...it's not coming it's already here

571 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:23:13am

re: #556 tfc3rid

Actually we did not... NY'ers elected Eliot Spitzer...

Elect a lecher and get a pickpocket - ya gotta love New York! :-)

572 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:23:39am

re: #497 Iron Fist
Great post bro' - thanks!

573 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:23:49am

re: #535 Kenneth

Kinda pretty...for Mardi Gras.

574 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:24:02am

re: #569 buzzsawmonkey

They Live.

Go Rowdy Roddy Piper

575 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:24:25am

re: #568 SummerSong

voltage-rated gloves

You plan on playing with HIGH voltage? Must be some kind of Christmas lights buddy. (-:

576 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:24:36am

re: #565 apachegunner

to bad he couldn't keep his dick in his drawers huh?

Nah... Spitzer probably would have raised income tax...

577 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:25:02am

re: #576 tfc3rid
yeah, it is NY after all

578 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:25:12am

re: #569 buzzsawmonkey

They Live.

Put... on... THE GLASSES! [POW]

579 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:25:25am

re: #571 CIA Reject

Elect a lecher and get a pickpocket - ya gotta love New York! :-)

The electorate has shit for brains here...

580 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:04am

re: #504 Walter L. Newton
I'll bet you money (and I know even less about this stuff than you do!) that right after Obama is sworn in, banks will suddenly find out how important it is to start lending money! Right after - not before!

581 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:07am

re: #547 realwest

BTW, do ya think certain Leftists have confused the terms "Titled" (as in Sir or Lady in GB) and "Entitled"; cause they sure act as if those terms were interchangeable!

Morning real.

I notice JJJ attorney the other day said he was "entitled" to be the Senator.

You see the mindset of these people.

582 razorbacker  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:10am

Whilst the wife and child were cookie-baking the past weekend (final tally 173 dozen cookies and 120 pieces of fudge. The brownies came out crumbly and were deemed unworthy of being gifts. They're deemed good enough for razorbacker, though, so expect to see more of me. If you could see me, that is. You know what I mean, lemme 'lone), they invited Helen to come down and learn how to bake.

Helen is Filipino, and she is the first to tell you that she can't cook. Loves to eat, but can't cook. Says it is because she had to go to work at a young age and left the cooking to her younger sisters. Whatever. Now she's pushing 60 and wants to know how to cook. But because English is her third language, she has problems with processing ideas back into whatever language that she thinks in and making them clear to herself. But sometimes that process lays bare exactly what she is thinking in ways that you seldom see in people who have English as their native tongue.

Anyway, the wife gave Helen copies of all her cookie recipes. Helen took cookies to her job to distribute to certain friends. These friends raved about the chocolate chip cookies and want the recipe. Helen calls to see if she should give out the wife's recipes. Wife says, sure, they're not really mine, I got it from my father, and he got it from an old chocolate chip package back in the 60's.

Helen thinks a minute, then says, "I'm not going to give them the recipe. I like being special."

Words to live by, actually. If you learn what people think it is that makes them 'special' you gain real insight into what makes them tick.

Y'all have a nice day. See you later.

583 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:21am

re: #562 realwest

Uh, good morning FrogMarch - you don't understand, "GM" is the CEO, other higher up type management and the Board of Directors and if they go for bankruptcy, there's a good chance (well, we can pray) that they'll lose their jobs!
What'll they do for health care coverage?! LOL!

No matter- Tom Dashole, Hillary, harry and Nancy will soon have us all covered with state-run health care. should be great.

running a profitable business isn't THAT hard. the democrats, the whiners, the nanny staters, the emotionalists -they make it hard. They [bleep] it up with 2,500 pages of crippling adversarial micro-management "rules".

Perks! who is going to provide the soft fluffy perks. Lord knows no one can afford to pay for their own perks. Dear holy government - I want a new TV for X-mas. Love, your loyal subject.

584 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:21am

re: #579 tfc3rid

The electorate has shit for brains here...

It's my home state - I know it well...

585 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:50am

now if only libor stays low for the next 28 months, i'll have a great interest rate at my mtg ir adjustment!

586 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:27:21am

All this PC crap...and in a draft curriculum for little kiddies in childcare!

Can you imagine some head tilting people, you know the ones, those with a "social conscience" unlike us poor plebs who don't

Draft curriculum for childcare - good for feeding the shredder

CHILDHOOD is an age of innocence, imagination and curiosity. Trust the bureaucracy to spoil it by writing a childcare curriculum infested with politically correct jargon and philosophical gobbledygook.

The "framework curriculum" is meant to apply to babies, toddlers and pre-schoolers from July next year.

It describes play as a "space for politics and power relations", and tells carers to "work with children to challenge power assumptions".

Thankfully it is only a draft, so it is not too late for the bureaucrats and academics writing it to inject a dose of common sense.

Childcare must be more than a babysitting service, so a curriculum is a sensible way for parents and carers to know what tiny tots should be doing and learning.

But the document does not spell out any practical suggestions in language easily understood by parents or even by many of the carers

This article doesn't mention what I heard on radio - power play between babies of different gender, race etc and also something about the sexualisation of play in childcare!

I'm now certain now that there is a parallel universe...

587 lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:27:21am

re: #560 Dustyvet

I should know this, but is there a set-in-stone end for this process? A date and hour? Or do they just go until they declare themselves "done"?

588 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:27:37am

Good Morning!

You bought this...

I present to you...
The Lobster Cam!

Is it me or am I getting sick and tired of watching the government use my hard-earned dollars to fund some frivolous project?

$188,000 by Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and Susan Collins (R-Maine), and Rep. Thomas Allen (D-Maine) for the Lobster Institute. The group’s website says, “The LOBSTER INSTITUTE is a cooperative program of research and education with the lobster industry at the University of Maine…” Not only has the Lobster Institute been working on its “Lobster Cam (TheLobstercam.com),” one its major accomplishments has been lobster dog biscuits: “Your dog can now be a lobster connoisseur. Blue Seal Feeds, Inc. has launched the newest addition to its dog biscuit line Blue Seal Lobster ‘Bisque-its’ based on a concept devised by the Lobster Institute at The University of Maine, and their commercialization partner Saltwater Marketing LLC.” That isn’t much of a treat for taxpayers.

Screw the pork!
I WANT LOBSTER!

589 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:27:37am

MY EEEYES!

Look at the hot sister of the shoe thrower!

h/t Debbie Schlussel

590 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:28:01am

re: #575 Dustoff-507

voltage-rated gloves

You plan on playing with HIGH voltage? Must be some kind of Christmas lights buddy. (-:

Not me. LOL One of my sons does "visual art" at nightclubs and I worry about him plugging, unplugging all his equipment...not the computer part, the electronic stuff.

591 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:28:47am

re: #582 razorbacker

Very sweet story.

592 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:00am

re: #568 SummerSong

Go to Grangers, they carry that stuff, they are expensive though. You may want to look for an electrical supply house in your area.

593 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:08am

re: #589 WriterMom

MY EEEYES!

Look at the hot sister of the shoe thrower!

h/t Debbie Schlussel

her teeth look like he used her for target practice

594 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:11am

re: #580 realwest

I'll bet you money (and I know even less about this stuff than you do!) that right after Obama is sworn in, banks will suddenly find out how important it is to start lending money! Right after - not before!

a very astute observation for a rookie!

595 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:28am

re: #589 WriterMom

MY EEEYES!

Look at the hot sister of the shoe thrower!

h/t Debbie Schlussel

She looks like she is about to eat the shoe.

596 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:28am

Ha...

Drudge has a "Man of the Year" link on his page, with a picture of Obama SMOKING...

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

597 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:45am

re: #567 Walter L. Newton

I meant that rhetorically. Sorry to step on your foot.

OK.

598 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:53am

re: #588 jcm

What NO crabs. LOL


I got 2 inches of snow, how aboout you.

599 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:53am

re: #586 aussiemagpie

This article doesn't mention what I heard on radio - power play between babies of different gender, race etc and also something about the sexualisation of play in childcare!


Well, as long as the toddlers' sex ed instruction is age-appropriate...

/

600 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:55am

re: #587 lincolntf

I should know this, but is there a set-in-stone end for this process? A date and hour? Or do they just go until they declare themselves "done"?

No idea, I'm from Minnesota and have never seen this happen before.

601 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:56am

re: #545 WriterMom

Yeah I suppose so. You can't reason them out of it, because reason has nothing to do with it in the first place.

602 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:26am

re: #575 Dustoff-507

voltage-rated gloves

You plan on playing with HIGH voltage? Must be some kind of Christmas lights buddy. (-:

Voltage rated...
Helicopter!

603 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:29am

re: #533 WriterMom

Good morning.

Last night my first cousin-a blood relative-told me on the phone that he had been reading a lot of Chompsky lately-and he really tells it like it is. I thought I was going to die.

That reminds me, next week I am going to California for my dad's 90th birthday. Lots of moonbat relatives will be in attendance. The only comfort I have is that enough of my mouthy right-wing adult kids will be there to absolutely pulverize them. All I have to do is bring the popcorn.

604 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:42am

re: #589 WriterMom

MY EEEYES!

Look at the hot sister of the shoe thrower!
h/t Debbie Schlussel

Ok, so she's sturdy!

605 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:48am

re: #589 WriterMom

MY EEEYES!

Look at the hot sister of the shoe thrower!

h/t Debbie Schlussel

Doesn't she have a bounty on the head of Han Solo? Or am I confusing her with someone else?

606 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:31:01am

AND a good snowy Happy Wednesday from the middle of Illinois, where the parking lot outside has snow on top of a layer of ice. Just the right thing for falling down, turning your knee, or otherwise flailing in that special Winter Way!

I am stunned to find out that my oh-so-organized sister who always has all her Christmas shopping done by November 1 is *NOT* done this year, while I am! I think I will now gloat on this and hold it over her for at least two years.

607 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:31:11am

re: #598 Dustoff-507

What NO crabs. LOL


I got 2 inches of snow, how aboout you.

Dusting, nothing yet. Moving in slowly from the north.

608 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:31:15am

re: #552 realwest

Hi ya Ford! I'm doing ok, thanks (do need that second cuppa though!) how are you doing?!

I'm good, Real. Kind of in and out though. Ha, today I am the one that is way behind on posts.

Hellooo up there!

609 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:31:19am
610 lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:31:24am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

That picture is hilarious. I don't know why, but it kills me.

611 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:31:38am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

Ok, so she's sturdy!

Big boned I think they say.

612 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:00am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

Ha...

Drudge has a "Man of the Year" link on his page, with a picture of Obama SMOKING...

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

HA!

613 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:01am

re: #514 Occasional Reader
Good morning O.R. - hope you're doing well.
From your link:

Tuesday's bill requires gun owners to spend at least one hour at the firing range and four hours in the classroom with an instructor before registering a weapon.

The legislation also requires residents to have a background check every six years.

I'm not so sure of that six year background check, but I personally don't have a problem requiring gun training and instruction before licensing the user - although obviously this could quickly become the proverbial slippery slope.
But since everyone has to demonstrate an ability to drive an automobile before getting a license, I don't - other than the slipperey slope - see why handgun owners should be treated differently in that regard.

614 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:14am

re: #598 Dustoff-507

What NO crabs. LOL


I got 2 inches of snow, how aboout you.

That's just a dust off. We are slated for 2-3 feet in the western mountains in Colorado.

A little may spill down here at the Front Range today/tonight/tomorrow.

615 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:23am

re: #602 jcm


Yeah baby. One mistake and your dinner! 0-:

616 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:59am

re: #607 jcm


The best part. I'm the only one who came into the office. So alone... LOL

617 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:25am

re: #605 Occasional Reader

She just had her teeth fixed-in Britain apparently.

618 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:33am

re: #589 WriterMom

MY EEEYES!

Look at the hot sister of the shoe thrower!

h/t Debbie Schlussel

Interesting gum-to-tooth ratio.

619 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:36am

re: #589 WriterMom

MY EEEYES!

Look at the hot sister of the shoe thrower!

h/t Debbie Schlussel


She looks familiar.
Poor woman, has to wear those huge shoes, lost about six of her homes in southern lebanon.

620 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:38am

re: #611 Creeping Eruption

Big boned I think they say.

That woman don't have baggage, she got freight...

621 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:53am

re: #613 realwest

but I personally don't have a problem requiring gun training and instruction before licensing the user

On that particular point, I don't either.

But tied together with repeated background checks, and required re-registration every 3 years (and golly, I'll bet they'll charge hefty fees for that)... and yes, this looks to me like Slippery Slope City.

622 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:53am

re: #606 vxbush

AND a good snowy Happy Wednesday from the middle of Illinois, where the parking lot outside has snow on top of a layer of ice. Just the right thing for falling down, turning your knee, or otherwise flailing in that special Winter Way!

I am stunned to find out that my oh-so-organized sister who always has all her Christmas shopping done by November 1 is *NOT* done this year, while I am! I think I will now gloat on this and hold it over her for at least two years.

Wait for Thursday and Friday. I think you are going to get a real snow storm then. For us (SE WI) they have thunderstorms and 8-12 inches of snow on tap.

623 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:34:03am

whats wrong with rubber gloves, they should work shouldn't they?re: #592 Stonemason

624 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:34:16am

re: #603 Alouette

Gevalt! Enjoy!

625 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:34:20am

re: #614 Walter L. Newton

Get out the salt buddy...

626 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:34:59am

re: #524 Iron Fist
"Carter is really, truly, an oxygen thief. "waste of skin.
Thought I'd fix that for ya!

627 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:03am

re: #589 WriterMom

MY EEEYES!

Look at the hot sister of the shoe thrower!

h/t Debbie Schlussel

what a beast. she has nothing to offer the world but ignorance and anger.

628 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:07am

re: #622 Creeping Eruption

Wait for Thursday and Friday. I think you are going to get a real snow storm then. For us (SE WI) they have thunderstorms and 8-12 inches of snow on tap.

I just care about next Monday and Tuesday. I'll be traveling to Indiana then, and I really don't want to have to drive through bad weather or on bad roads. Really. I've had enough experience, I'll be just fine without another taste of it.

629 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:15am

re: #599 Occasional Reader

Well, as long as the toddlers' sex ed instruction is age-appropriate...

/

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

630 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:22am

re: #580 realwest

I'll bet you money (and I know even less about this stuff than you do!) that right after Obama is sworn in, banks will suddenly find out how important it is to start lending money! Right after - not before!

And just about that same time, the MSM will start running stories about how things are not all that bad after all, that there are signs of a recovery and everything is suddenly fine.

631 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:22am

re: #613 realwest

Good morning O.R. - hope you're doing well.
From your link:

I'm not so sure of that six year background check, but I personally don't have a problem requiring gun training and instruction before licensing the user - although obviously this could quickly become the proverbial slippery slope.
But since everyone has to demonstrate an ability to drive an automobile before getting a license, I don't - other than the slipperey slope - see why handgun owners should be treated differently in that regard.

Fundamentally I agree on training.

However, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Before I agree to any new "restriction" however reasonable, I want the right, clearly, fully restored. Chicago, DC, New York etc... are using "reasonable" to virtually eliminate legal arms. I want a roll back first.

632 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:26am

re: #625 Dustoff-507

Get out the salt buddy...

Not for me, I'm in Golden, snuggled against the foothills. That 2-3 feet of snow is about 150 miles west of me.

633 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:28am

Hoping against hope for good weather next Tuesday as my convoy drives from NYC to Madison, WI...

Taking my folks out there to the gf's fams for Christmas... My mom is a huge worry wort and if there is a hint of snow flurries she's not going...

634 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:30am

re: #620 Dustyvet

HAHAHAHAHA

635 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:49am

re: #627 nyc redneck

And terrorist spawn!

636 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:51am

re: #612 FrogMarch

HA!

Is that a funny cigarette he's smoking?

637 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:00am

re: #619 Eowyn2

She looks familiar.
Poor woman, has to wear those huge shoes, lost about six of her homes in southern lebanon.

Didn't she also show some bullets in Iraq?

638 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:07am

re: #592 Stonemason

Go to Grangers, they carry that stuff, they are expensive though. You may want to look for an electrical supply house in your area.

Thank you...I'll google Grangers.

639 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:08am

re: #619 Eowyn2

She looks malnourished, yes?

640 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:12am

re: #625 Dustoff-507

Get out the salt buddy...

P.S. They use mag-chloride here.

641 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:13am

Okay, I just finished my bowl of oatmeal and sliced banana...
Pepsi vs. Coke... taste testers out there.
Have you noticed there is a distinct taste difference in bananas...those from Guatemala and those from Costa Rica ?

642 MJ  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:31am

#550 WriterMom
"re: #511 MJ

"Why? Because she's a useless idiot when it comes to Israel, and will do anything to ram through another surrender of territory by Israel before Bush leaves office. A final "f9ck you" going away present to the Jews."


Yesterday ( De. 16 ), Rice issued a statement at the UN which equated Israeli self-defense measures with Palestinian terrorism:

"SECRETARY RICE: Thank you very much, Mr. President, and thank you, Secretary General. Colleagues, the situation today in the Middle East is very different than when President Bush came to office in 2001. At that time, the Camp David effort had collapsed; Israelis and Palestinians were in a vicious cycle of violence; suicide bombers were murdering innocent Israelis in cafes and restaurants and at Passover Seders, leaving the rest of the population living in constant fear; Israeli military incursions left scores of Palestinians dead and wounded, neighborhoods destroyed, and the economy in shambles. "

Vicious cycle of violence? I suppose the same could be said of the US when it decided to go to war against Nazi Germany.
As for Israel military incursions, perhaps if the Palestinians weren't setting off bombs in Pizza Parlors and Ice Cream stores then there would have been no incursions. I suppose too that the US didn't kill any civilian Iraqis either.

Rice is dirt.

643 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:39am

re: #613 realwest

Good morning O.R. - hope you're doing well.
From your link:

I'm not so sure of that six year background check, but I personally don't have a problem requiring gun training and instruction before licensing the user - although obviously this could quickly become the proverbial slippery slope.
But since everyone has to demonstrate an ability to drive an automobile before getting a license, I don't - other than the slipperey slope - see why handgun owners should be treated differently in that regard.

I'm all for high school Shooters Training...jus sayin

644 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:47am

re: #631 jcm

However, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

And needless to say, DC is skipping the "... and bear" part entirely, and nobody seems to care.

645 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:49am

re: #615 Dustoff-507

Yeah baby. One mistake and your dinner! 0-:

You're one to talk...
Hey look at me I've got a big red cross target on my chopper!
;-)

646 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:51am

Good morning Lizards! From a cold and damp LA. Here's the morning view from the top.

647 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:54am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

That's DANGED FUN-NAYYY!

648 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:12am

re: #632 Walter L. Newton


That's good. My city (Mukilteo) is not good at snow & ice removal. )-:

649 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:13am

re: #619 Eowyn2
I understand the whole family throws shoes

650 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:15am

re: #533 WriterMom
Good morning! Did ya try to get your cousins head straight on Chumpsky?!

651 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:22am

re: #563 WriterMom

Agreed.

652 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:22am

re: #613 realwest

Good morning O.R. - hope you're doing well.
From your link:


I'm not so sure of that six year background check, but I personally don't have a problem requiring gun training and instruction before licensing the user - although obviously this could quickly become the proverbial slippery slope.
But since everyone has to demonstrate an ability to drive an automobile before getting a license, I don't - other than the slipperey slope - see why handgun owners should be treated differently in that regard.

License? Isn't a license given to you by the government as a privilege and not a right?

653 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:31am

re: #628 vxbush

I just care about next Monday and Tuesday. I'll be traveling to Indiana then, and I really don't want to have to drive through bad weather or on bad roads. Really. I've had enough experience, I'll be just fine without another taste of it.

I don't blame you, driving in Indiana is punishment enough (no disrespect to Indiana Lizards, it is your Highway Patrol with whom I take issue).

654 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:49am

re: #541 apachegunner

yes, I too love crickets in the summers evenings


LOL!

The joy of cricket...

655 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:49am

re: #637 MandyManners

Didn't she also show some bullets in Iraq?

Not just bullets, cartridges! Which some evil AmeriKKKan stormtrooper had... well, thrown... at her house, apparently.

656 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:56am

re: #589 WriterMom

you know if my shoes looked like the one she's holding i'd be mad too. i think we should start sending fashion shoes to these people. it might change their outlook on life.

maybe we should send tim gunn over there to help her out.

657 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:56am

re: #637 MandyManners

Didn't she also show some bullets in Iraq?

Now that you mention it, she does look like the bullet lady.

658 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:58am

re: #642 MJ

Hillary will swoop in and solve everything...

659 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:09am

re: #640 Walter L. Newton

I know, just being funny. It's great back up though.

660 razorbacker  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:11am

re: #613 realwest

Good morning O.R. - hope you're doing well.
From your link:

I'm not so sure of that six year background check, but I personally don't have a problem requiring gun training and instruction before licensing the user - although obviously this could quickly become the proverbial slippery slope.
But since everyone has to demonstrate an ability to drive an automobile before getting a license, I don't - other than the slipperey slope - see why handgun owners should be treated differently in that regard.

Because driving a car is not a constitutional right, while the 2nd is. For that slipperey slope, examine the role of 'poll taxes' and the questions asked of prospective voters in the 'jim crow' south.

661 acwgusa  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:18am

Well, you know things are bad in California when:

Santa Barbara County has announced it will furlough its Health and Human Services Division from December 22nd to January 2nd without pay.

662 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:41am

re: #633 tfc3rid

Hoping against hope for good weather next Tuesday as my convoy drives from NYC to Madison, WI...

Taking my folks out there to the gf's fams for Christmas... My mom is a huge worry wort and if there is a hint of snow flurries she's not going...

We are getting 8-12 inches of snow Thursday and Friday - sorry.

663 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:44am

re: #655 Occasional Reader

Not just bullets, cartridges! Which some evil AmeriKKKan stormtrooper had... well, thrown... at her house, apparently.

I love Dissident Frogman.

664 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:48am

re: #606 vxbush

AND a good snowy Happy Wednesday from the middle of Illinois, where the parking lot outside has snow on top of a layer of ice. Just the right thing for falling down, turning your knee, or otherwise flailing in that special Winter Way!

I am stunned to find out that my oh-so-organized sister who always has all her Christmas shopping done by November 1 is *NOT* done this year, while I am! I think I will now gloat on this and hold it over her for at least two years.

I'll be in Marengo(sp) next week through New Years, can you arrange for some warm weather? I'd greatly appreciate it.

665 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:08am

re: #657 Dustyvet

Now that you mention it, she does look like the bullet lady.

Have they ever been seen at the same time in the same place?

666 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:09am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

Ha...

Drudge has a "Man of the Year" link on his page, with a picture of Obama SMOKING...

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

the epitome of cool. lol
(stupid dork)

667 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:23am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

c'mon! he only smokes because the taxes collected on ciggs go to the children health insurance funds. he smokes for the children!

668 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:25am

re: #642 MJ

MJ. You musn't continue that line of discussion. I have a lunch date, Christmas party and basketball tickets today and thinking about that Palestinian loving Beast will ruin my mood-and potentially even my hair!

669 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:42am

re: #549 3 wood
"I'm reporting the economic datat and trying to explain what I see as best I can."
For which I at least thank you very much.

670 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:43am

re: #644 Occasional Reader

And needless to say, DC is skipping the "... and bear" part entirely, and nobody seems to care.

Big town meeting in Seattle on the Mayor illegal (according to the state AG) plan to ban weapons on all city property, parks etc... A bunch showed up open carry.

Heh! Open carry is legal in WA. The law for is displaying weapons with the intent to intimidate. It was aimed at the Black Panthers, who had been marching carrying rifles and shotguns.

671 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:44am

re: #662 Creeping Eruption

We are getting 8-12 inches of snow Thursday and Friday - sorry.

As long as Tuesday is somewhat clear... Interstate driving all the way... I'm not worried about it... My mom is only one who freaks out completely.

672 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:46am

re: #645 jcm


Yeah I could NEVER figure that one out. I did ask a few times (Guys, why does it look like a target)
Then I was put on KP duty. )-:

673 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:46am

re: #661 acwgusa

Well, you know things are bad in California when:

Santa Barbara County has announced it will furlough its Health and Human Services Division from December 22nd to January 2nd without pay.

Merry Fucking Christmas to them.

674 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:40:20am

re: #656 phoenixgirl

Look-I'm 100% with you on the shoe situation. However, I think her heart of darkness is from a different "root" cause, if you get my meaning..

675 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:40:27am

re: #562 realwest

{good morning Realwest} didn't mean to be rude - just ranting as usual.

676 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:40:33am

re: #672 Dustoff-507

Yeah I could NEVER figure that one out. I did ask a few times (Guys, why does it look like a target)
Then I was put on KP duty. )-:

LOL!

677 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:41:29am

re: #650 realwest

Realwest-some of my relatives are clearly too stupid to be Jewish fix.

678 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:41:30am

re: #555 Dustoff-507
Morning my friend! Ok, here ya go - whooomp! Whew, that took a lot out of me (wipes sweat from brow)! Good thing you don't have to share it with anyone at Boeing! LOL!

679 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:41:34am

re: #633 tfc3rid

Hoping against hope for good weather next Tuesday as my convoy drives from NYC to Madison, WI...

Taking my folks out there to the gf's fams for Christmas... My mom is a huge worry wort and if there is a hint of snow flurries she's not going...

I will presage snow. take plenty of warm clothing, keep gas tank at least 1/2 full, take kitty litter or sand. blankets. Its how we travel all the time and if the storm thats supposed to hit here tomorrow does, then it will hit WI, IL the beginning of next week.

680 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:42:02am

re: #671 tfc3rid

As long as Tuesday is somewhat clear... Interstate driving all the way... I'm not worried about it... My mom is only one who freaks out completely.

Then don't let her drive for goodness sake

681 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:42:13am

re: #674 WriterMom

Look-I'm 100% with you on the shoe situation. However, I think her heart of darkness is from a different "root" cause, if you get my meaning..

I got a great idea, check your closets for old hush puppies, then send the over to the shoe tosser. I think he'll like "brushed pig skin"

682 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:42:23am

re: #673 MandyManners


MANDY! LOL

683 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:42:37am

yeah, they would be so ready to throw "fashion" shoes would they. re: #656 phoenixgirl

you know if my shoes looked like the one she's holding i'd be mad too. i think we should start sending fashion shoes to these people. it might change their outlook on life.

maybe we should send tim gunn over there to help her out.

684 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:42:39am

re: #558 apachegunner
Hey Guns, I'm doing ok - though have noticed that since I got my second cuppa, I've fallen waay behind again in the comments! LOL!
How are you doing?

685 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:42:41am

re: #653 Creeping Eruption

I don't blame you, driving in Indiana is punishment enough (no disrespect to Indiana Lizards, it is your Highway Patrol with whom I take issue).

You do realize that I'm a native Hoosier?

/pulls out basketball, tennis shoes, and starts setting up one-on-one court with Creeping

686 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:22am

re: #678 realwest

Morning my friend! Ok, here ya go - whooomp! Whew, that took a lot out of me (wipes sweat from brow)! Good thing you don't have to share it with anyone at Boeing! LOL!

Hold still West, I trying to put C-Rations in your saddle bags...:)

687 badbear  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:23am

re: #622 Creeping Eruption

The folks in Chicago have more than snow to dig out from under. Is anyone shovelling?

688 yma o hyd  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:26am

re: #534 aussiemagpie

LOL!

I try so hard each summer to share the joy of cricket here...:-)

Hiya, {aussiemagpie}

and Hi, Lizard Nation!

Heh - you lot may be into cricket, we're still very heavily into rugby!

How's your rugby captain doing? Our lad has a fractured skull ... but they're all so scared of having to leave the pitch and face up to the backs coach that they stay on until they drop ... (joking! They adore him!).
Sorry we beat you, teeheehee!

689 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:31am
Jeffrey reports: Patrick Tyler's forthcoming book, A World of Trouble, ("about America's tortured relations with the Middle East") has this troubling story about former CIA chief George Tenet: "drunk on scotch, flailing about Prince Bandar's Riyadh pool, [he was] screaming about the Bush Administration officials who were just then trying to pin the Iraq WMD fiasco on him". And the book says this:

"According to one witness, he mocked the neoconservatives in the Bush administration and their alignment with the right wing of Israel's political establishment, referring to them with exasperation as, "the Jews."

CIA chief drunk (in Riyadh), in Prince Bandar's pool, screaming about the Jews.

That's why it's always Iran that is the main supporter of terror...no wait, now it's Pakistan, sorry...that was Iraq...or is it Syria?

Just never Saudi Arabia.

690 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:54am

re: #664 Eowyn2

I'll be in Marengo(sp) next week through New Years, can you arrange for some warm weather? I'd greatly appreciate it.

I already have prayers going up. That's the best I can do.

691 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:54am

re: #678 realwest

I'm doing great Buddy... I'm just ALL alone. (-:
MAYBE it's time to go back home.

692 jorline  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:56am

Good morning, Lizards.

"Man Of the Year" on Drudge.

Too funny...don't inhale.

693 summergurl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:21am

re: #612 FrogMarch

HA!

Looks like he is smoking a doobie and is pimped out...

694 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:35am

re: #680 Creeping Eruption

Then don't let her drive for goodness sake

She was never going to... Me and the gf are driving... She's sitting there...

695 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:39am

re: #649 apachegunner

I understand the whole family throws shoes

the family that throws together, crows together?

696 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:46am

re: #687 badbear

We've already concluded that the shit runs upward in Chicago... you have to use a pressure washer... not a muck shovel.

697 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:48am
698 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:50am

re: #689 Ben Hur

[Link: cgis.jpost.com...]

It bothers me more that he was drunk in Bandi's pool in Riyadh.

What info did they get out of the fat pig infidel with the fire water?

699 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:50am

re: #693 summergurl

Looks like he is smoking a doobie and is pimped out...

That's not the Obama I know!

700 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:01am

re: #613 realwest

Actually it is pretty simple, gun ownership is a right, driving is a privilege

701 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:22am

re: #685 vxbush

You do realize that I'm a native Hoosier?

/pulls out basketball, tennis shoes, and starts setting up one-on-one court with Creeping

[slowly backing away] Like I said, it is your Highway Patrol with whom I take issue. Never once have I been able to drive through your state without being pulled over. . .the first three times were within an hour.

702 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:39am

re: #691 Dustoff-507

I'm doing great Buddy... I'm just ALL alone. (-:
MAYBE it's time to go back home.

Got a few folks here, (mile south of Dustoff). We'll see how many show up.

703 summergurl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:44am

re: #699 Desert Dog

That's not the Obama I know!


//That's because he changed.

704 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:48am

re: #686 Dustyvet


Hey, you trying to KILL my friend! 0-:

MRE's please.

705 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:49am

This little video restores my faith in America's schools somewhat. Very sweet.

706 invictus1  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:50am

re: #626 realwest

"Carter is really, truly, an oxygen thief. "waste of skin.
Thought I'd fix that for ya!

Heh.

707 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:53am

re: #687 badbear

The folks in Chicago have more than snow to dig out from under. Is anyone shovelling?

Someone sold all of the shovels.

708 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:46:08am

re: #667 phoenixgirl

c'mon! he only smokes because the taxes collected on ciggs go to the children health insurance funds. he smokes for the children!

Look, I know it's not easy to quit. I did it in Aug., just put them down, did want another one. And was on my second smoking session 1982-2008, 2-3 packs a day.

But this guy has money, a lot of money. If he wanted to stop, he has enough resources that he could go to. There are meds and other ways that he could watch his habit 24/7.

The bottom line is WANTING to stop. He's lying to himself and the country if he says he is trying to stop. It's not the same.

But I know it's hard.

709 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:46:35am

re: #699 Desert Dog

That's not the Obama I know!


does anyone know him? does he know anyone?

710 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:46:39am

re: #613 realwest

But since everyone has to demonstrate an ability to drive an automobile before getting a license, I don't - other than the slipperey slope - see why handgun owners should be treated differently in that regard.

What about the right to bare arms?

711 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:46:44am

re: #692 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

"Man Of the Year" on Drudge.

Too funny...don't inhale.

Ahhahahahaha...

712 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:47:01am

re: #701 Creeping Eruption

[slowly backing away] Like I said, it is your Highway Patrol with whom I take issue. Never once have I been able to drive through your state without being pulled over. . .the first three times were within an hour.

Even with the higher speed limit there? You can go 70 on the interstates. What were you driving? 90?

713 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:47:10am
714 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:47:31am

re: #687 badbear

The folks in Chicago have more than snow to dig out from under. Is anyone shovelling?

Well, we have a newbie in our midst. Welcome, badbear. As always I will caution you to stay clear of Mandy's cluebat. I got hit after my second comment this morning.

/rubs side of head

715 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:47:47am

re: #702 jcm


Time for a drink... Where is a good place to go. 0-:

716 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:47:48am

re: #708 Walter L. Newton

Nicotine addiction is as strong as cocaine addiction...maybe worse because of the lesser cost and availablity.
I say this as I puff...

717 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:04am
718 jorline  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:08am

re: #711 Bobblehead

Ahhahahahaha...

Looks like Panama Jack.

719 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:09am
720 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:15am

re: #684 realwest

Hey Guns, I'm doing ok - though have noticed that since I got my second cuppa, I've fallen waay behind again in the comments! LOL!
How are you doing?

doing great partner, it's hell falling far, far behind isn't it.

721 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:18am

re: #697 buzzsawmonkey

There's a whole lot of shoveling going on in Chicago right now, but only some of it is snow.

The rest of it is a huge, steaming pile.

722 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:28am

re: #698 Ben Hur

[Link: cgis.jpost.com...]

It bothers me more that he was drunk in Bandi's pool in Riyadh.

What info did they get out of the fat pig infidel with the fire water?

The Medal of Freedom

He should have gotten the "golden boot up his ass"...he sucked at the CIA

723 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:41am

re: #708 Walter L. Newton

Darn hard Walter, I did it a year ago after 28 years. You are dead on when you say trying to quit is not quitting, although calling him a liar on this may be too much. There are many other reasons to call Mr. Obama, starting with the latest scandal, so maybe we shouldn't focus on his habit.

724 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:55am

re: #721 MandyManners

The rest of it is a huge, steaming pile.

So worthy of updinging.

725 Macker  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:55am

re: #692 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

"Man Of the Year" on Drudge.

Too funny...don't inhale.

He kinda looks like a pimp or somethin'...

/Change You Can Believe In™.

726 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:56am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter! Can ya dig the hat he's wearing? And check out those eyes, man I know what he's smoking!
LOL!

727 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:49:28am
728 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:49:31am

re: #703 summergurl

//That's because he changed.

ahh uhmmm ahh uhmmm, I am at peace now

729 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:49:33am

re: #701 Creeping Eruption

[slowly backing away] Like I said, it is your Highway Patrol with whom I take issue. Never once have I been able to drive through your state without being pulled over. . .the first three times were within an hour.

I wonder why?

730 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:49:48am

re: #725 Macker

He kinda looks like a pimp or somethin'...

/Change You Can Believe In™.

I thought he looked like he was trying to be all cool in a zoot suit...Maybe too many Tom and Jerry cartoons?

731 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:49:52am

re: #712 vxbush

Even with the higher speed limit there? You can go 70 on the interstates. What were you driving? 90?

Unfortunately, the car I was driving did 90 very comfortably. You would never know it.

732 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:04am

re: #689 Ben Hur

CIA chief drunk (in Riyadh), in Prince Bandar's pool, screaming about the Jews.

That's why it's always Iran that is the main supporter of terror...no wait, now it's Pakistan, sorry...that was Iraq...or is it Syria?

Just never Saudi Arabia.

Its definately a book I wont be reading.
Is he kinda like the Jackie Collins of Washington DC?
Or looking for a job with the enquirer?

733 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:08am

re: #723 Stonemason

Good for you for quitting. Being a smoker is just not a good example in my opinion. However, I'm more concerned that he's a socialist and an intellectual lightweight with majorly corrupt Chicago baggage and a clear disdain for Israel.

734 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:16am

re: #716 notutopia

Nicotine addiction is as strong as cocaine addiction...maybe worse because of the lesser cost and availablity.
I say this as I puff...

it took surgery and eight days in a hospital for me to quit...and I still want to smoke...

735 MJ  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:29am

re: #689 Ben Hur

CIA chief drunk (in Riyadh), in Prince Bandar's pool, screaming about the Jews.

That's why it's always Iran that is the main supporter of terror...no wait, now it's Pakistan, sorry...that was Iraq...or is it Syria?

Just never Saudi Arabia.


Maybe President Bush can award him another medal?
[Link: www.medaloffreedom.com...]

736 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:53am

That picture is racist.

We all know it's code.

Whites look at that picture and automatically see two white smack head chicks passed out on the floor.

737 jorline  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:54am

re: #684 realwest

Good morning, RW. We're in out third day of cold weather...I'm ready for our southeast winds to kick back in and drive this cold air back north.

738 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:00am

re: #727 buzzsawmonkey

Actually-it would look delightful on his tombstone.

739 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:05am

re: #606 vxbush
Hi ya {vxbush} - now THAT'S the Christmas spirit! LOL!

740 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:05am

re: #690 vxbush

I already have prayers going up. That's the best I can do.

can't hurt.
Why cant my son be in FL?

741 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:24am

re: #736 Ben Hur

YOU DID NOT JUST WRITE THAT!

742 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:25am

re: #721 MandyManners

The rest of it is a huge, steaming pile.

/and then there is that whole corrupt government thing going on

743 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:47am

re: #715 Dustoff-507

Time for a drink... Where is a good place to go. 0-:

Got the Keg a block from me, there's Arnies and Ivar's down by the ferry.

744 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:55am

re: #716 notutopia

Nicotine addiction is as strong as cocaine addiction...maybe worse because of the lesser cost and availablity.
I say this as I puff...

I know, I said it's hard. The only reason I was able to is, well, some people say I'm OCD. I'm not, not clinically, but I do have OCD tendencies.

So, once I tell myself I am going to change something, it just happens. I would be more uncomfortable with myself if I went back on it. Just like when I put down the booze almost 3 years ago. I just put it down, Cold.

So, it's different for everyone. For me, I probably have one habit (OCD tendencies) that is stronger than another habit.

745 jorline  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:52:08am

re: #725 Macker

He kinda looks like a pimp or somethin'...

/Change You Can Believe In™.

He'll be pimping his change come 01-20-09.

746 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:52:22am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the NYC papers are all buzzing about Gov. Paterson's "austerity" budget and how he plans on raising all kinds of taxes, including the one on carbonated beverages. That's all smoke and mirrors.

Every last bit.

This isn't an austerity budget.

It's not even a budget that addresses structural problems with the state's revenue streams.

It's a budget that simply doesn't increase as much as previous years' budgets did.

The Gov's proposal is spending $1.2 billion more than FY 2008-2009. FY 2008-2009 was spending $121 billion. Apparently NY can't live on $121 billion and that anything that keeps spending in check is the demise of life as we know it - at least according to Albany.

This is asinine.

It's also insane.

747 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:52:26am
748 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:05am

re: #733 WriterMom

Those are all great issues, how about the fact that the Chicago School distrcit is near the bottom of the list of districts in Illinois, and now the man that ran that is going to be running the (unconstitutional) education department?

749 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:08am

re: #630 3 wood
AMEN!

750 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:14am

Geez, I really hate snow. No wonder I hate Al Gore.

751 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:46am

re: #734 albusteve

{lbusteve} Empathy here. Those who so easily say..Just quit... perhaps they have other vices that are not so detrimental to their health...
Sex, shopping, religion, coffee, TV, ...ah hell you get my gist.
Mine is an addiction to nicotine.

752 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:52am

re: #729 jcm


LOL... Jezzz how I remember them days.

753 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:52am

re: #747 buzzsawmonkey

You know-it's a shame that will be his final resting place. His remains could easily rot the earth of the honourable people who have graves there.

754 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:57am

re: #746 lawhawk

Lawhawk... Correct me if I'm wrong but FY 2010's budget is Gov. P's first budget...

755 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:05am

re: #723 Stonemason

Darn hard Walter, I did it a year ago after 28 years. You are dead on when you say trying to quit is not quitting, although calling him a liar on this may be too much. There are many other reasons to call Mr. Obama, starting with the latest scandal, so maybe we shouldn't focus on his habit.

Oh, I don't care if he smokes, not in the least. I have nothing against smokers, I wish I could smoke, I enjoyed it, I wish it wasn't unhealthy, it was my favorite friend.

756 kcladderman  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:15am

re: #652 MandyManners

License? Isn't a license given to you by the government as a privilege and not a right?

DING DING DING We have a winner

757 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:18am

re: #736 Ben Hur

That picture is racist.

We all know it's code.

Whites look at that picture and automatically see two white smack head chicks passed out on the floor.

... being menaced by Obama's giant, throbbing cigarrette, which looks exactly like the Tower of Pisa.

758 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:19am

re: #662 Creeping Eruption

We are getting 8-12 inches of snow Thursday and Friday - sorry.

Yeah, you get the snow, we get the 1/2-3/4 inch of ice down in Chicagoland. I just hope to be home Thurdsday before it starts. Last night was an hour and a half trip home from work (normally only half an hour).

Had some dipshit from Texas in front of me on a city street going 10mph, wobbling from side to side. Wound up passing him at 30 (the speed limit).

759 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:21am

re: #747 buzzsawmonkey

As I said a few days ago, I hope that when Carter comes to rest in Arlington his grave bears an eternal flame--as long as it is sculpted in the form of a flaming asshole.

He is the anus that keeps on giving.

760 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:28am

re: #738 WriterMom

Actually-it would look delightful on his tombstone.

LGF epitaph writing contest?

761 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:51am

re: #688 yma o hyd

Hiya, {aussiemagpie}

and Hi, Lizard Nation!

Heh - you lot may be into cricket, we're still very heavily into rugby!

How's your rugby captain doing? Our lad has a fractured skull ... but they're all so scared of having to leave the pitch and face up to the backs coach that they stay on until they drop ... (joking! They adore him!).
Sorry we beat you, teeheehee!

Hello, good to see you! I was just about to go to bed too ..good thing I looked

It was a wonderful game to watch, even though our boys lost I did enjoy watching those tough Welshmen play hard - and your captain playing with a fractured skull!

It was a good tour, good for our new players to settle in

762 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:56am

Today is the day that cigarette are no longer evil.

763 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:58am

re: #734 albusteve

it took surgery and eight days in a hospital for me to quit...and I still want to smoke...

my dad quit when i was a kid, he never lost the craving. wanted one everyday

764 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:08am

re: #748 Stonemason

Those are all great issues, how about the fact that the Chicago School distrcit is near the bottom of the list of districts in Illinois, and now the man that ran that is going to be running the (unconstitutional) education department?

Chicago schools = failure... Is the Chicago public schools guy one of Ayer's guys? Do they teach a lot of 'modern'-type studies?

765 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:18am

re: #757 Occasional Reader

You two are killing me...LOLOLOL.

766 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:33am

re: #762 Ben Hur

They are for the children!

767 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:35am

re: #743 jcm


I can just see me being pulled over by my own officers. 0-:

768 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:39am

This old Vietnam vet, wants to rent a Swift Boat, and take John Kerry water skiing in the North Atlantic.

769 Pyrocles  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:41am

Yeah. The artist's main theme seems to be that peace comes from the guns of the Communist soldier...or something.

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

Because the designer of the poster runs a graphic company that feature retro-revolutionary art. I don't have the link, but the artist's web site is scary. You may find the site by googling something like "obama posters art"

770 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:48am

re: #750 father_of_10

Geez, I really hate snow. No wonder I hate Al Gore.

I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow.

Then again, it helps our economy in Colorado.

771 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:58am

re: #646 Golem Akbar
Good morning Golem! That's a great photo - wish I knew how to make it my screensaver for Winter!
Thanks!

772 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:03am

re: #747 buzzsawmonkey

As I said a few days ago, I hope that when Carter comes to rest in Arlington his grave bears an eternal flame--as long as it is sculpted in the form of a flaming asshole.

Next best thing...

773 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:04am

re: #713 Iron Fist

Don't woory, the Lapdog Media have got Obama's back. They'll never let a story that could really hurt their Lord and Master get any traction.

Initially yes, but the MSM has no more integrity than the Chicago machine. Eventually, maybe in a fit of pique over being stiffed by the administration, maybe even by accident, one outlet or another will publish a juicy little snippet. That snippet will catch fire with a public held devoid of any real news for so long and that will be it. Hunger for attention and popularity will override loyalty to The One and the media will have their feeding frenzy as well...

774 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:09am

re: #746 lawhawk

sounds a lot like the 'cuts' in DC. If the budget doesnt meet the 'extremely high proposed budget' everything is a cut.

and the press run with it.

775 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:18am

re: #740 Eowyn2

can't hurt.
Why cant my son be in FL?

And why don't I live in Pensacola? Seriously, it sounds good to me...

776 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:26am

re: #744 Walter L. Newton

I went from smokes to gum and hard candy, oh, and food. I understand you lost weight recently, I gained it when I quit. The booze was gone in 1990, but the destructive lifestyle remains to this day.

Addictions are a bit*#, but personal responsibility and a heavy dose of willpower can conquer them.

777 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:41am

re: #718 jorline

Looks like Panama Jack.

Drudge changed the banner to: COOL: MAN OF THE YEAR
LOL

778 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:49am

Buck Dharma, lead guitarist of Blue Oyster Cult (he also the writer of Reaper), seriously injured his shoulder recently and is out of commission for several weeks. (I'm allowed to dote on my favorite band.) Mr. Dharma: "I hope you heal up real quick." ("Stairway to the Stars") (Mr. Dharma is also a closet conservative and his son interned for Pacific Legal Foundation.)

779 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:50am

re: #747 buzzsawmonkey

As I said a few days ago, I hope that when Carter comes to rest in Arlington his grave bears an eternal flame--as long as it is sculpted in the form of a flaming asshole.

How can that be done?

780 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:56am

RW, just right click on the body of the pic and select "background" and you'll have it re: #771 realwest

781 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:09am

re: #768 Dustyvet

Can I come alone... "PLEASE"

782 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:10am

re: #758 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, you get the snow, we get the 1/2-3/4 inch of ice down in Chicagoland. I just hope to be home Thurdsday before it starts. Last night was an hour and a half trip home from work (normally only half an hour).

Had some dipshit from Texas in front of me on a city street going 10mph, wobbling from side to side. Wound up passing him at 30 (the speed limit).

I wondered were he was last night.

/

783 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:10am

re: #760 Creeping Eruption

LGF epitaph writing contest?

Here we go the perfect place.

784 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:11am

re: #768 Dustyvet

This old Vietnam vet, wants to rent a Swift Boat, and take John Kerry water skiing in the North Atlantic.

Given that water temp, we could then confer a new military rank on Kerry: Major Shrinkage.

785 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:12am

re: #746 lawhawk

A truly insane budget. By imposing all those taxes, the State will in fact receive even less revenue. Only a bonehead who flunked Economics 101 could imagine this will work. Stupid, stupid, stupid...

786 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:16am

re: #652 MandyManners
So you're saying there's no right to drive a car?

787 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:19am

re: #772 jcm

Jimmy's could say 'finally reverted'.

788 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:27am

re: #747 buzzsawmonkey

As I said a few days ago, I hope that when Carter comes to rest in Arlington his grave bears an eternal flame--as long as it is sculpted in the form of a flaming asshole.

the eye of baradur?

789 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:37am

re: #751 notutopia

{lbusteve} Empathy here. Those who so easily say..Just quit... perhaps they have other vices that are not so detrimental to their health...
Sex, shopping, religion, coffee, TV, ...ah hell you get my gist.
Mine is an addiction to nicotine.

well I really admire folks with willpower to stop...now if I can just not start again...in my mind there is a difference...maybe things will change for you...who so knoweth?

790 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:41am

re: #781 Dustoff-507

Can I come alone... "PLEASE"

Sure...I'll even let you drive...:)

791 MJ  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:42am

re: #747 buzzsawmonkey

As I said a few days ago, I hope that when Carter comes to rest in Arlington his grave bears an eternal flame--as long as it is sculpted in the form of a flaming asshole.

Are you sure he's going to be buried in Arlington and not in Plains where he could be near his favorite copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

792 ciaospirit  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:43am

re: #497 Iron Fist

Compare that fiasco with the heroic efforts of Iowans, et al during the great flood of 1993 (and close to a repeat in 2008). Resilient. Self reliant. Doers.

793 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:51am

re: #763 phoenixgirl

my dad quit when i was a kid, he never lost the craving. wanted one everyday

My Dad quit in Thailand when I was 3. I remember he smoked and one day he stopped. No problemos. My Mom, different story.

794 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:03am

re: #768 Dustyvet

This old Vietnam vet, wants to rent a Swift Boat, and take John Kerry water skiing in the North Atlantic.

give him a little notice. he will need time to decide which sports out fit is most flattering and appropriate.

795 aussiemagpie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:11am

Goodnight to {everyone} and have a wonderful yesterday!

796 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:11am

re: #791 MJ

He should be burried in the Muquata.

797 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:15am
798 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:17am

re: #762 Ben Hur

In North Carolina and Kentucky, Tobacco has NEVER been evil.
This agri crop has been tended and cultivated since the American Indians passed the peace pipe here...

799 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:22am

re: #764 tfc3rid

Chicago schools = failure... Is the Chicago public schools guy one of Ayer's guys? Do they teach a lot of 'modern'-type studies?

I've been trying to figure that out for a couple days.

800 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:34am

re: #784 Occasional Reader
I don't think he has one anyway OR

801 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:40am

re: #776 Stonemason

I went from smokes to gum and hard candy, oh, and food. I understand you lost weight recently, I gained it when I quit. The booze was gone in 1990, but the destructive lifestyle remains to this day.

Addictions are a bit*#, but personal responsibility and a heavy dose of willpower can conquer them.

Yes, I lost about 175 pounds in the last two years, but since Aug. when I quit smoking, I've gained 10 pounds, mainly M&M's. Jonesing for sugar a lot now.

802 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:42am
803 Lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:44am

re: #777 Bobblehead

That works on two levels, "Cool" in emulation of a stoner, and Kool as in menthols.
Might we a hear a peep or two about coded racism?

804 vxbush  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:58am

Gah--gotta get some work done. Later, everyone.

805 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:08am

re: #768 Dustyvet

This old Vietnam vet, wants to rent a Swift Boat, and take John Kerry water skiing in the North Atlantic.

Can I go too? I know everything about boats, water skiing and ropes.

Honest.

What could possibly go wrong?

806 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:11am

re: #783 jcm

DUDE, your having way to much fun right now!

807 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:13am

re: #795 aussiemagpie

Goodnight to {everyone} and have a wonderful yesterday!

I always forget that you live in the Country of The Future!

Good night. Or whatever you call it Down There.

808 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:19am

re: #802 Kenneth

It's really teh funnnaaayy.

809 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:25am

re: #774 Eowyn2

And NY Republicans (a species that if not on the endangered list is already extinct based on their cluelessness and inability to develop new and real talent) are MIA in trying to highlight the fecklessness of the Governor's proposals.

When are GOPers going to stand up against this nonsense? The tax and spenders are busy destroying NY and no one seems to care.

Of course, you could rinse and repeat that about many states around the country, to say nothing of the current federal government situation and Bush's inane economic policy to bail out failed companies that have no business being bailed out.

810 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:26am

re: #723 Stonemason

Darn hard Walter, I did it a year ago after 28 years. You are dead on when you say trying to quit is not quitting, although calling him a liar on this may be too much. There are many other reasons to call Mr. Obama, starting with the latest scandal, so maybe we shouldn't focus on his habit.


Not to stub your enthusiasm for throwing water on Obama's smoking habit...I used to smoke and have been free of cigarettes for...many years (can't count, over 25)...however, I think there are worse things than smoking. I hope Obama's smoking stops the anti-smoking Nazis/health freaks from their fascist tobacco taxes, even though I believe to quit cigarettes is a good thing. [I still enjoy a cigar, now and then]I'd rather we use the most-effective method of guilt, rather than high taxes, to get others to quit smoking.

811 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:28am

re: #760 Creeping Eruption

LGF epitaph writing contest?

not the best of ideas...probably fun tho

812 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:37am
813 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:54am

re: #805 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Can I go too? I know everything about boats, water skiing and ropes.

Honest.

What could possibly go wrong?

Your in LT...:)

814 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:55am

re: #798 notutopia

In North Carolina and Kentucky, Tobacco has NEVER been evil.
This agri crop has been tended and cultivated since the American Indians passed the peace pipe here...

Are you pinning 10s of millions of deaths caused by tobacco on the Indians?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

We gave them the flu, you insensitve bastard!

815 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:00:08am

re: #790 Dustyvet

Cool, but I don't know how. Does it matter? Being that Kerry will be in the back... (-:

816 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:00:32am

re: #802 Kenneth

Can I just finish my doobie?

Good God! He even holds his smoke (joint) like an effete snob or Eurotrash.

817 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:00:44am

re: #793 SFGoth

My Dad quit in Thailand when I was 3. I remember he smoked and one day he stopped. No problemos. My Mom, different story.

My Mom stopped, cold turkey, when I was about 6 or 7. She never even really mentioned it again. Dad quite pipe smoking when I was about 15; same story, didn't seem like a big deal to him.

818 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:00:49am

re: #770 Walter L. Newton

I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow, I love snow.

Then again, it helps our economy in Colorado.

It's a Marshmallow World. Sing it Dino!

819 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:03am

re: #776 Stonemason

Addictions are a bit*#, but personal responsibility and a heavy dose of willpower can conquer them.

For me it was fear and guilt that made me quit smoking cold-turkey 25 years ago.

820 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:19am
821 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:27am

re: #813 Dustyvet


Dusty, by the way. Just how BIG is this boat? LOL

822 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:32am

re: #801 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I lost about 175 pounds in the last two years, but since Aug. when I quit smoking, I've gained 10 pounds, mainly M&M's. Jonesing for sugar a lot now.


It's not the sugar ( I think).

It's probably the habit of repeatedly putting your hand to your mouth like when you smoked.

I tore through a lot of sunflower seeds when I "quit."

823 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:43am

re: #789 albusteve

Thx albusteve. I hear you loudly!
God Bless you for that!

824 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:49am

re: #799 MandyManners

I've been trying to figure that out for a couple days.

I think it's a HUGE potential issue...

825 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:53am

re: #818 Bobblehead

It's a Marshmallow World. Sing it Dino!

And he has a cigarette... on TV.

826 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:16am

re: #820 buzzsawmonkey

Easy; cast a set of bronze buttocks which would be mounted on a granite slab lying flat on the earth (it would appear as if a pair of naked buttocks were protruding above the surface of a granite "pond"), and pipe the gas through the appropriate orifice.

Clearly, you've done a lot of thinking about this.

[shudder]

827 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:26am

re: #825 Walter L. Newton

And he has a cigarette... on TV.

Those were the days...

828 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:27am

re: #764 tfc3rid

Chicago schools = failure... Is the Chicago public schools guy one of Ayer's guys? Do they teach a lot of 'modern'-type studies?


It is where the service stuff comes from, I think if someone were to really look into this, yanno, people who look into things for a living, one would find a serious connection between this guy and Ayers.

829 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:30am

re: #816 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Good God! He even holds his smoke (joint) like an effete snob or Eurotrash.

he's an elitist intellectual mac daddy.

830 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:31am
831 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:35am

re: #821 Dustoff-507

Dusty, by the way. Just how BIG is this boat? LOL

We get enough, and we'll book the QEII...:)

832 yma o hyd  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:36am

re: #761 aussiemagpie

Hello, good to see you! I was just about to go to bed too ..good thing I looked

It was a wonderful game to watch, even though our boys lost I did enjoy watching those tough Welshmen play hard - and your captain playing with a fractured skull!

It was a good tour, good for our new players to settle in

Wasn't our captain playing on - that was one of our young up-and-coming lads. He's a Cardiff boy, and he's studying medicine in is spare time.
Great match - all players really gave their all, they were dead on their feet after the final whistle. Still lots to work on ...
What was really interesting was seeing the two Kiwi coaches pitted against each other, your Robbie Dean and our Warren Gatland. Gotta say that, temperament-wise and in the way he understands the Welsh rugby soul, Warren really has got it.
Did you get to watch the match between our lot and the All Blacks? The Haka stand-off was a thorough classic - the roof had lift-off, i can tell you! And the ABs had to pull out all the stops to get us in the second half - it was the best they had to play all season. so ok, we lost, but what an outstanding game of rugby. Drool ...
Anyway, you beat all the other Europeans, so that was a good result.

833 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:42am
834 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:46am

re: #786 realwest

So you're saying there's no right to drive a car?

Nope.

835 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:52am

re: #822 Ben Hur

It's not the sugar ( I think).

It's probably the habit of repeatedly putting your hand to your mouth like when you smoked.

I tore through a lot of sunflower seeds when I "quit."

Well, maybe I should just put my HAND IN MY MOUTH. That's the ticket.

836 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:07am

re: #771 realwest

Good morning Golem! That's a great photo - wish I knew how to make it my screensaver for Winter!
Thanks!

Good morning RW! On my computer, a right click on the mouse brings up an option to make the photo a background, which can then be saved as a screensaver.

837 ciaospirit  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:11am

re: #692 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

"Man Of the Year" on Drudge.

Too funny...don't inhale.

Don't smoke as I say. Not as I do. Drive small cars as I say. Not as I do. Spread the wealth around as I say. Not as I do.

838 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:13am

Obama Dodges Blago Controversy... Lectures Reporter for "Wasting Question"

The One cuts off the reporter, refuses to answer any questions about Blago. He did say his team is doing a thorough review and will release a statement next week when it's ready.

I'm guessing the statement will be released around 1 am, Dec 25th.

839 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:31am
840 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:51am

re: #660 razorbacker
Well what is and what isn't a constitutional right is up to SCOTUS and they just issued the Heller decision which didn't exactly make it clear that anyone has the RIGHT to own a firearm.
That's the problem with asolutists and "rights" - there are plenty of whackos and mentally ill and drug,booze addicted folks out there I'd suggest that we'd all agree shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a firearm. Once you admit that, it's easy to get to where someone needs to have TRAINING/license to operate what could be (and in the case of guns is frequently) intended to be a deadly weapon.
Which is a long way of saying "NO, we aren't all entitled to the same rights under the Constitution."

841 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:53am

re: #806 Dustoff-507

DUDE, your having way to much fun right now!

It is fun.
My submission for Rabbit's Baits final resting place.

842 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:54am

re: #820 buzzsawmonkey

it would appear as if a pair of naked buttocks were protruding above the surface of a granite "pond"

So it'd be kind of like the nearby "The Awakening", only, well, different.

843 WriterMom  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:57am

re: #822 Ben Hur

Can you open them Israeli style (no hands)?

(THE SUNFLOWER SEEDS)

844 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:58am

re: #831 Dustyvet


By the way, can Kerry ski? (not that it matters)

845 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:09am

re: #834 MandyManners

Nope.

She's correct Real. It's not a right. I believe that has already been decided in court.

846 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:13am

re: #785 Kenneth

A truly insane budget. By imposing all those taxes, the State will in fact receive even less revenue. Only a bonehead who flunked Economics 101 could imagine this will work. Stupid, stupid, stupid...

Oh, but everyone is focusing on either the iPod tax (taxing electronic downloads) or the soft drinks taxes, ignoring all the other taxes and fees that are being increased to get the revenue necessary to increase the state budget to the level Paterson wants.

Even if Paterson doesn't get those two taxes, the state is spending $1.2 (or more) billion than last year. If the budget situation is as serious as he claims, demand that the state impose last year's budget. He is unserious about the problem.

I'd be pushing for a serious reduction in spending - along the lines of a budget from 2 years ago, when the state budget was $7-8 billion less than this year. I'd tell everyone that if the budget was good enough two years ago, it's good enough now. This is how you stay the line and avoid massive tax hikes and get state spending under control. It's a real austerity budget and it makes real demands on state government to reduce spending. It can be done, because the state spent that amount just two years ago.

Of course, all the unions and vested interests would call me the next coming of the Grim Reaper or worse - the Devil himself, but the state must reduce spending. All the taxes in the world wont change the fact that the state will continue to spend more than it takes in. That situation must stop. And it must stop at all levels of government.

847 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:14am

re: #814 Ben Hur

Are you pinning 10s of millions of deaths caused by tobacco on the Indians?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

We gave them the flu, you insensitve bastard!


And they've given us the casino and slot machine (with lousy odds, I might add).

848 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:15am

So. How crazy is bosforus' mom, you might ask? Well. For Christmas she sent me and my wife: a snowman ornament, two mini-chocolate Santas, 4 quarters, 2 dollar coins, and After Bite. Yeah, that's right, she sent us After Bite! I called her and asked her if she was feeling OK. Her response - well, there'll be mosquitoes there in May, right?
She seems to have gotten some kick out of it but I'm still scratching my head over the whole thing.

849 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:22am

re: #820 buzzsawmonkey

Easy; cast a set of bronze buttocks which would be mounted on a granite slab lying flat on the earth (it would appear as if a pair of naked buttocks were protruding above the surface of a granite "pond"), and pipe the gas through the appropriate orifice.

I see you've given this some thought.

850 razorbacker  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:29am

re: #670 jcm

Big town meeting in Seattle on the Mayor illegal (according to the state AG) plan to ban weapons on all city property, parks etc... A bunch showed up open carry.

Heh! Open carry is legal in WA. The law for is displaying weapons with the intent to intimidate. It was aimed at the Black Panthers, who had been marching carrying rifles and shotguns.

Semi-interesting point. Open carry is legal here, too. I won't do it, because I don't want the attention from the cops that follows your exercise of that particular right. Stay low, off the radar, is my philosophy.

But concealed carry is legal only with a permit. That goes back to the days when our state constitution was enacted (1876, IIRC). In those days, honest folk wore their guns on their hip, while only thieves, miscreants, and other folk of low morals concealed their weapons.

And now, I've got the call and must be gone for this morning.

851 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:31am
852 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:40am

re: #835 Walter L. Newton

Well, maybe I should just put my HAND IN MY MOUTH. That's the ticket.

Better yours than someone else's.

Remember, you can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.

853 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:45am

re: #841 jcm


Well, you are having fun. that's for sure.

854 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:50am

OPEC dropping production significantly.

OPEC decides to cut oil output by 4.2 mln barrels a day: WSJ

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries has decided to cut its oil output by 4.2 million barrels a day, the Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Wednesday. The reported cut is much bigger than what markets expected. Most analysts anticipated a cut of about 2 million barrels a day. On Globex, January crude futures were last down 59 cents, or 1.4%, to $43.03 a barrel.

Look for crude prices to jump, and for prices at the pump to do likewise.

855 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:01am

re: #789 albusteve

well I really admire folks with willpower to stop...now if I can just not start again...in my mind there is a difference...maybe things will change for you...who so knoweth?

I'd swap my cigs for a sex addiction:) but for the fact that its a lot easier to pick a brand of smokes than to pick a good sex partner.

856 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:17am

re: #814 Ben Hur

Perhaps the virus was vectored via that shared pipe Ben.

857 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:25am

re: #821 Dustoff-507

Dusty, by the way. Just how BIG is this boat? LOL

We have pictures!

858 HDrepub  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:28am

re: #773 CIA Reject

Initially yes, but the MSM has no more integrity than the Chicago machine. Eventually, maybe in a fit of pique over being stiffed by the administration, maybe even by accident, one outlet or another will publish a juicy little snippet. That snippet will catch fire with a public held devoid of any real news for so long and that will be it. Hunger for attention and popularity will override loyalty to The One and the media will have their feeding frenzy as well...

His arrogance with the press such as when he says "don't waste your question" will be his undoing. I saw it happen to a governor in my state. He tried to bully and intimidate a TV reporter and they got him for it. He needed it badly and got his just reward.

859 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:28am
860 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:29am

re: #829 nyc redneck

he's an elitist intellectual mac daddy.

Like Lincoln said of his generals:

"Why must every general live up to his reputation?"

861 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:33am
862 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:50am

re: #846 lawhawk

Oh, but everyone is focusing on either the iPod tax (taxing electronic downloads) or the soft drinks taxes, ignoring all the other taxes and fees that are being increased to get the revenue necessary to increase the state budget to the level Paterson wants.

Even if Paterson doesn't get those two taxes, the state is spending $1.2 (or more) billion than last year. If the budget situation is as serious as he claims, demand that the state impose last year's budget. He is unserious about the problem.

I'd be pushing for a serious reduction in spending - along the lines of a budget from 2 years ago, when the state budget was $7-8 billion less than this year. I'd tell everyone that if the budget was good enough two years ago, it's good enough now. This is how you stay the line and avoid massive tax hikes and get state spending under control. It's a real austerity budget and it makes real demands on state government to reduce spending. It can be done, because the state spent that amount just two years ago.

Of course, all the unions and vested interests would call me the next coming of the Grim Reaper or worse - the Devil himself, but the state must reduce spending. All the taxes in the world wont change the fact that the state will continue to spend more than it takes in. That situation must stop. And it must stop at all levels of government.

And I remember when the man at the deli in Brooklyn would give ME 2 cents every time I brought a soft drink bottle to him.

863 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:16am

re: #786 realwest

So you're saying there's no right to drive a car?

Mandy may not be, but I am. The only place you have the right to drive a car is on your own property or that of friends that allow you to drive on theirs. Driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right, same as flying or taking a boat ride across the ocean.
Think implied consent, used to test for DUI, if driving was a right, Implied Consent would be unconstitutional.

864 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:29am

re: #677 WriterMom
ROFL! Yeah, I've got a couple of them, too!

865 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:29am

re: #824 tfc3rid

I think it's a HUGE potential issue...

From what I've seen, they're not buddies.

Bill Ayers and co. lost a big battle today with the announcement that Arne Duncan will be Obama's Education Secretary. Duncan is one of the "Big 4," as Ayers calls the four reform oriented school superintendents Arne Duncan, Michelle Rhee, Joel Klein and Paul Vallas. And Ayers has been part of a nationwide effort among certain self-styled "progressive" and "social justice" oriented education activists and educators to lobby against the Big 4. Ayers was, of course, plugging for race theorist, anti-union small schools advocate and education school figure Linda Darling-Hammond.

Ayers helped get Darling-Hammond annointed an Obama advisor, over the objections of several other education policy camps. And Ayers and Darling-Hammond have both been pushing a similar agenda including support for a slavery reparations policy in education, called "repayment of the education debt owed to people of color."

866 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:31am

re: #852 Ben Hur

Better yours than someone else's.

Remember, you can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.


And you can lock me up in jail, too, but you can't keep my face from breaking out.

867 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:35am

re: #754 tfc3rid

He negotiated the FY 2008-2009 budget because he stepped in as Spitzer operated as Client #9. The budget proposal may have started out as Spitzer's but he did the final negotiations.

868 badbear  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:43am

re: #768 Dustyvet

This old Vietnam vet, wants to rent a Swift Boat, and take John Kerry water skiing in the North Atlantic.

Marine detachment standing by.

869 3 wood  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:46am

Heard a good joke:

It's so cold out that Rod Blagojevich has his hands in his own pockets.

870 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:58am

re: #855 Eowyn2

I'd swap my cigs for a sex addiction:) but for the fact that its a lot easier to pick a brand of smokes than to pick a good sex partner.

A good sex partner is only a hand span away.

871 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:07:10am

re: #802 Kenneth

Can I just finish my doobie?

gee, where was that photograph during the election?

872 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:07:14am

re: #850 razorbacker

Semi-interesting point. Open carry is legal here, too. I won't do it, because I don't want the attention from the cops that follows your exercise of that particular right. Stay low, off the radar, is my philosophy.

But concealed carry is legal only with a permit. That goes back to the days when our state constitution was enacted (1876, IIRC). In those days, honest folk wore their guns on their hip, while only thieves, miscreants, and other folk of low morals concealed their weapons.

And now, I've got the call and must be gone for this morning.

Same thing here. Also open carry only protects the carrier and those in the imediate vicinty, bad guys can see who not to pick on. Concealed protects everyone. In WA bad guys have a 1-25 chance of picking someone carrying.

873 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:07:19am

re: #857 jcm


"SWEET"

PS, where does Kerry sit?

874 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:07:21am

re: #843 WriterMom

Can you open them Israeli style (no hands)?

(THE SUNFLOWER SEEDS)

The only way!

The best way is to eat sunflower seeds, wear sandals, drive like a maniac and spit them out the car window while racing a tourbus full of Russian tourists on the cliffs to Eilat.

875 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:07:28am
876 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:07:53am

re: #871 Killian Bundy

gee, where was that photograph during the election?

At the Ministry of Truth.

877 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:07:59am

re: #809 lawhawk

The GOP is effectively dead here... It's so sad...

878 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:08:02am

Good Morning all -

For those following from last night - I decided on a Remington 870 and a Mossberg 835. Will let you know what I think of them in the coming months. Thanks for all of the advice.

879 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:08:05am

re: #682 Dustoff-507
What's so funny about them being "furloghed" from Dec 22 to January 5th or whenever? That means NO MONEY for those workers.

880 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:08:07am

re: #843 WriterMom

Can you open them Israeli style (no hands)?

(THE SUNFLOWER SEEDS)

only while playing softball...that's the rule

881 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:08:10am

re: #857 jcm

We have pictures!

OMG. That redneck needs to look up "CG" in his Official Pontoon Boat Engineering and Design Specs Book.

882 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:00am

re: #868 badbear


This BOAT is getting full fast! (-:


Can you say Party time.

883 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:15am

re: #838 Kenneth

Obama Dodges Blago Controversy... Lectures Reporter for "Wasting Question"

The One cuts off the reporter, refuses to answer any questions about Blago. He did say his team is doing a thorough review and will release a statement next week when it's ready.

I'm guessing the statement will be released around 1 am, Dec 25th.

The Bush administration has been the most secretive, most uncooperative, never answering questions...wait a second!

884 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:17am

re: #838 Kenneth

He will brush off a lot of questions when under fire in the future... The more I see of Obama and hear him, the more of an assclown he is... I cannot believe there were so many people who voted for this fraud.

885 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:18am

re: #871 Killian Bundy

gee, where was that photograph during the election?

john mccain bought the rights to it and hid it in his underwear drawer/

886 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:24am

re: #838 Kenneth

Obama Dodges Blago Controversy... Lectures Reporter for "Wasting Question"

The One cuts off the reporter, refuses to answer any questions about Blago. He did say his team is doing a thorough review and will release a statement next week when it's ready.

I'm guessing the statement will be released around 1 am, Dec 25th.

Not just any reporter, but John McCormick of the Chicago Tribune, who Blagojevich tried to have fired. Wanna bet McCormick's gonna keep dogging Obama about it now? I'd wager a yes.

887 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:41am

re: #692 jorline
Good morning my friend - how are you doing today?

888 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:18am

re: #816 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Good God! He even holds his smoke (joint) like an effete snob or Eurotrash.

LOL. Real men have bongs?

That would be a great photoshop - Obama in a suit sucking on a star spangled bong. Keeping it lit with a burning 100 dollar bill.

889 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:20am
890 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:28am

For those of you that missed it yesterday:

Achmed The Dead Terrorist Christmas Carols

891 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:34am

re: #846 lawhawk

Let's see ... raising taxes, near 0% interest rates, printing money like mad, astronomical levels of bailout cash, billions in stimulus spending. Might that whole dogs breakfast of an economic policy take this recession and drive it into a depression, with hyper-inflation? Can state & federal bankruptcy be in our future?

892 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:40am

re: #886 Honorary Yooper

Not just any reporter, but John McCormick of the Chicago Tribune, who Blagojevich tried to have fired. Wanna bet McCormick's gonna keep dogging Obama about it now? I'd wager a yes.

well, he'll just be put on the "list"

893 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:47am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Wow...

Time gave Obama the Man of the Year award, and they are using that Marxist styled poster for the cover... see CNN...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I'm surprised he didn't have to share it with Che. If you place a Che poster and the Obama posted together on the cover, you couldn't tell the difference of the art work.

Good Morning Lizards ...

Did you see the pictures of The College Years ...where in the hell were these pictures during the campaign ...the pictures of him smoking in the stairwell with the hat on ...geez ...I am going back to bed ...

[Link: www.time.com...]

894 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:11am

re: #890 Ford_Prefect

For those of you that missed it yesterday:

Achmed The Dead Terrorist Christmas Carols

Jingle Bombs!

895 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:16am

re: #883 Ben Hur

The Bush administration has been the most secretive, most uncooperative, never answering questions...wait a second!

Now now.

It is OK if Obama does it. See how that is "Change?"

896 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:17am

re: #854 3 wood

OPEC dropping production significantly.

OPEC decides to cut oil output by 4.2 mln barrels a day: WSJ

Look for crude prices to jump, and for prices at the pump to do likewise.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with this.
1. Members will cheat. They always do.
2. OPEC is not as imprtant as they were in 1973.
3. People have shown that oil demand is very fexible. A cut may do very little for OPEC, and may even be counter-productive.

897 HDrepub  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:22am

re: #852 Ben Hur

Better yours than someone else's.

Remember, you can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.

And, you can pick your friends but you can't pick your relatives.

898 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:36am

So, what are the chances the shoe-thrower honed his skills on his sister's face?

[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

899 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:38am

re: #879 realwest


Got me. I was laughing at Mandy cussing like a MARINE.

900 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:43am

re: #879 realwest

What's so funny about them being "furloghed" from Dec 22 to January 5th or whenever? That means NO MONEY for those workers.

My company is shutting down, take vacation time or go unpaid for those two weeks.

10,000 employees about 75% will be off for those two weeks. That's 30,000 man weeks, that's about 50 million in salaries. Better a couple weeks than a RIF.

901 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:44am

re: #888 karmic_inquisitor

LOL. Real men have bongs?

That would be a great photoshop - Obama in a suit sucking on a star spangled bong. Keeping it lit with a burning 100 dollar bill.

with his face on the bill!

902 MJ  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:44am

Some very funny mugs shots over at the Smoking Gun:

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

903 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:59am

re: #700 Stonemason
Do you think EVERYONE has a right to bear arms? How's about minors? Druggies? Alcoholics? Mentally ill?

904 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:12:00am

re: #838 Kenneth

Obama Dodges Blago Controversy... Lectures Reporter for "Wasting Question"

The One cuts off the reporter, refuses to answer any questions about Blago. He did say his team is doing a thorough review and will release a statement next week when it's ready.

I'm guessing the statement will be released around 1 am, Dec 25th.

look how condescending the O is to that reporter. it was a legitimate question.
the O is so arrogant, he is beginning to bite the hand that has fed him and made his scam possible.
the press won't put up w/ this insulting behavior from the messiah for long.
he is so obnoxious even the msm will get tired of him.

905 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:12:30am

re: #901 albusteve

with his face on the bill!

CHANGE!

906 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:12:50am

re: #812 Iron Fist

I am very confident that I'm correct because the scenario I posit is based on human corruption. I wish I had as much confidence in human virtue as I have in human corruption.

907 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:12:53am

Good Morning fellow Hatchlings and Senior lizards. What are the topics in progress?

908 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:13:30am

re: #901 albusteve

BTW - thanks for the advice last night. Now to get a gun safe ...

909 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:13:34am

re: #819 Spare O'Lake

My mother smoked and so did my grandmother.. europeans.
Grandpa smoked cubans...
The smell of his cigars was heavenly...even as child.
I used to hide my moms cigarettes from her...after the lessons I learned in school which taught me that they would "kill her". I was 5 y/o.
So, with great irony, The urge to smoke "HIT" me when I was going through a series of crisis'. I have quit cold turkey twice since then only to succumb to the return of nicotine.

910 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:13:50am

re: #834 MandyManners

Nope.

So few people realize how insidious state control of our lives had become before 9/11.

911 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:13:55am

It looks like there is going to be a revival of the musical "Chicago" in Washing DC in Jan. 2009.

912 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:14:09am

smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette...

913 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:14:22am
914 HDrepub  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:14:23am

re: #870 Walter L. Newton

A good sex partner is only a hand span away.

Minnie Fingers and Rosie Palm eh Walter?

915 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:14:53am

re: #848 bosforus

So. How crazy is bosforus' mom, you might ask? Well. For Christmas she sent me and my wife: a snowman ornament, two mini-chocolate Santas, 4 quarters, 2 dollar coins, and After Bite. Yeah, that's right, she sent us After Bite! I called her and asked her if she was feeling OK. Her response - well, there'll be mosquitoes there in May, right?
She seems to have gotten some kick out of it but I'm still scratching my head over the whole thing.

Yesterday, I purchased two containers of Anti Monkey Butt Powder as Christmas gifts. Stylish and practical.

916 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:14:55am

re: #890 Ford_Prefect

For those of you that missed it yesterday:

Achmed The Dead Terrorist Christmas Carols

Getting through Check Point B, must be a real bitch...:)

917 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:14:56am

re: #908 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - thanks for the advice last night. Now to get a gun safe ...

you'd probably get a whole new point of view from OR...he's a Mossy user...but you welcome

918 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:26am

re: #841 jcm

It is fun.
My submission for Rabbit's Baits final resting place.

Morning, my favorite.

Here lies the Prelate
Judge and Poet Peter
who broke the laws of
God and Man and Meter

919 yma o hyd  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:37am

re: #904 nyc redneck

look how condescending the O is to that reporter. it was a legitimate question.
the O is so arrogant, he is beginning to bite the hand that has fed him and made his scam possible.
the press won't put up w/ this insulting behavior from the messiah for long.
he is so obnoxious even the msm will get tired of him.

It will take a while, but once that pack smells blood, they will indeed be after him like sharks - even if its just to show the mugs who still believe what they write that they're truly unbiased.

Too late, MSM, should've done it before 4/11 ...

920 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:47am

re: #845 Walter L. Newton

She's correct Real. It's not a right. I believe that has already been decided in court.

Didn't even need to to be decided in court; the very fact that the state can regulate who gets a license abrogates the "right".

921 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:51am

re: #891 Kenneth

I don't think it would push into a depression, but hyperinflation on the backside is a real possibility, along with a major devaluation of the US dollar.

Oh, and this all started because someone had the wonderful idea of "affordable housing".

What a frellin' mess.

922 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:03am

re: #916 Dustyvet

Getting through Check Point B, must be a real bitch...:)

I love that the audience applauds when he talks about getting shot.

923 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:14am

re: #768 Dustyvet

Too bad I can't give you more than one Dinghy - up.

924 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:17am

re: #902 MJ

Some very funny mugs shots over at the Smoking Gun:

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

I missed the circus this year, thanks.

925 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:19am

re: #903 realwest

Do you think EVERYONE has a right to bear arms? How's about minors? Druggies? Alcoholics? Mentally ill?

Where does the Constitution extend rights such as that to minors?

926 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:40am

re: #912 phoenixgirl

smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette...

smoke smoke smoke it til you smoke yourself to death...he's probably not listening

927 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:42am

re: #870 Walter L. Newton

You're correct. Most people assume that it has to be with a partner.
But, most sex addicts take orgasm anyway that they can get stress relief the easiest.

928 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:47am

re: #871 Killian Bundy

gee, where was that photograph during the election?

Same place the name 'Hussein' was...

929 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:52am

I could give a flip if Obama smokes or not ...I just find it strange that pictures of his college years are coming out now ...when we could not even give a second of information about his college days at ANY college ...usually the cover up starts after someone gets in office ...his started the day he moved to Chicago ...

930 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:17:02am

re: #914 HDrepub

Minnie Fingers and Rosie Palm eh Walter?

Are you asking me technique questions?

931 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:17:15am

re: #923 Cap'n DOC

Too bad I can't give you more than one Dinghy - up.

Aww Thanks...:)

932 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:17:29am

re: #910 FurryOldGuyJeans

So few people realize how insidious state control of our lives had become before 9/11.

I realized it.

933 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:38am

re: #927 notutopia

You're correct. Most people assume that it has to be with a partner.
But, most sex addicts take orgasm anyway that they can get stress relief the easiest.

it's good for lowering your BP as well...stroke your way to better health I say...

934 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:42am

re: #929 JacksonTn

I could give a flip if Obama smokes or not ...I just find it strange that pictures of his college years are coming out now ...when we could not even give a second of information about his college days at ANY college ...usually the cover up starts after someone gets in office ...his started the day he moved to Chicago ...

According to the Time captions, the photographer locked them up till after the election so they wouldn't be used for political purposes.

935 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:53am

re: #858 HDrepub

His arrogance with the press such as when he says "don't waste your question" will be his undoing. I saw it happen to a governor in my state. He tried to bully and intimidate a TV reporter and they got him for it. He needed it badly and got his just reward.

"Never fight with a man who buys printer's ink by the barrel" is as good advice now as it was 100 years ago.

Out of curiosity - was the governor in question a Democrat or a Republican? Liberal or Conservative?

936 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:54am

re: #838 Kenneth

His investigation is done, but the prosecutor asked that it's release be delayed until the 22nd.

937 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:04am

re: #919 yma o hyd

It will take a while, but once that pack smells blood, they will indeed be after him like sharks - even if its just to show the mugs who still believe what they write that they're truly unbiased.

Too late, MSM, should've done it before 4/11 ...

his arrogance will be his undoing. especially his acting so rude and dismissive to the msm who created him. pets are not supposed to bite.

938 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:16am

re: #933 albusteve

it's good for lowering your BP as well...stroke your way to better health I say...

[Link: sexuality.about.com...]

939 jcbunga  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:19am

Time once again for the "Mugshots of the Year"...my fave is the guy/girl in the cow suit:

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

940 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:31am
941 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:32am

re: #902 MJ

Some very funny mugs shots over at the Smoking Gun:

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Of course #1 is th best. Uniting America. One mug shot at a time. Yes we can!

942 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:47am

re: #906 CIA Reject

Realist. I appreciate your realism. It saves me from visits to the shrink to only hear validation that most of our society copes by lying to themselves.
The truth is quite painful.

943 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:52am

re: #934 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

According to the Time captions, the photographer locked them up till after the election so they wouldn't be used for political purposes.

Ahhh, the objective media. I wonder if he has any of Obama and Ayers at Columbia "locked up?"

944 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:56am

re: #768 Dustyvet
Oooh, can I come along for the ride? I promise ya I won't get us stuck in Cambodia!

945 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:20:11am

re: #896 Honorary Yooper

They're shooting themselves in the foot with this.
1. Members will cheat. They always do.
2. OPEC is not as imprtant as they were in 1973.
3. People have shown that oil demand is very fexible. A cut may do very little for OPEC, and may even be counter-productive.

You are right on all counts.

I posted an article from an economist who had calmly predicted the price crash. He said that the dynamic in a oil price runup is to be stingy on pumping because the stuff in the ground is appreciating faster than the cash you get for it. After the peak, the stuff in the ground loses value while the cash you get for it gains value (assuming it is invested).

With income producing assets as cheap as they are the Oil ticks that invest have every incentive to pump everything they can that can sells for more than the unit cost to pump it. They are still well above that break even point. Because Iran doesn't invest oil revenue but uses it to subsidize a failed, graft ridden economy and to fund mayhem elsewhere, they are demanding cuts for a higher per barrel price. Same with Chavez. Others are happy to go along if promising to cut raises prices, but they won't actually cut - no incentive.

946 jcbunga  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:20:14am

re: #941 Bobblehead

Of course #1 is th best. Uniting America. One mug shot at a time. Yes we can!

Ha! We're like Nostradamus :)

947 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:20:38am

re: #939 jcbunga

Time once again for the "Mugshots of the Year"...my fave is the guy/girl in the cow suit:

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

That's udderly disgusting.

948 yma o hyd  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:20:40am

re: #937 nyc redneck

his arrogance will be his undoing. especially his acting so rude and dismissive to the msm who created him. pets are not supposed to bite.

Heh.
MSM should've taken a few lessons from the Dog Whisperer ...

949 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:16am

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

[Link: sexuality.about.com...]

explore my shaft?...well thanks for that link buddy...

950 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:19am

re: #944 realwest

Oooh, can I come along for the ride? I promise ya I won't get us stuck in Cambodia!

Your in West...:)

951 Stonemason  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:50am

re: #903 realwest

Do you think EVERYONE has a right to bear arms? How's about minors? Druggies? Alcoholics? Mentally ill?

Everyone starts with the right to bear arms, yes. When one breaks certain laws, one loses that right. If one is found to be mentally unstable that right might be curtailed. Minors may own firearms, yes, how else could a 12 year old hunt with his family? I am a recovering alcoholic, yeah, we get to own guns as do the druggies until they are convicted.
is it black and white? Nope, nothing is, but there is much more of an argument that we have the right to bear arms than there is to the right to drive an automobile.
When the Constitution was written I am sure there were laws regarding where one could operate a wagon, or a horse, where those could be parked and stabled. Conveyance has been regulated forever, the only travel one has a right to is walking, and even that gets dicey when personal property issues come into it.
I am not a lawyer, not by a long shot, so I can't argue those issues.

952 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:57am

re: #670 jcm

Big town meeting in Seattle on the Mayor illegal (according to the state AG) plan to ban weapons on all city property, parks etc... A bunch showed up open carry.

Heh! Open carry is legal in WA. The law for is displaying weapons with the intent to intimidate. It was aimed at the Black Panthers, who had been marching carrying rifles and shotguns.

If more Seattleites were to exercise their Constitutional right of bearing arms, then being intimidated by others would be less of a threat. But then the gun grabbers would just cast about for another reason to try to outlaw them.

953 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:22:31am
954 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:23:02am

re: #836 Golem Akbar
Thanks!

955 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:23:11am
956 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:23:20am

re: #947 jcm

That's udderly disgusting.

I hope that we won't start milking a pun thread.

957 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:23:37am

re: #944 realwest

That's especially important since it's almost Christmas...LOL.

958 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:24:53am

re: #956 karmic_inquisitor

I hope that we won't start milking a pun thread.

I once knew a farmer who quit milking his cows, it was a bad case of udder contempt!

959 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:24:54am

re: #952 FurryOldGuyJeans

If more Seattleites were to exercise their Constitutional right of bearing arms, then being intimidated by others would be less of a threat. But then the gun grabbers would just cast about for another reason to try to outlaw them.

We'll see new tactics in the wake of Heller, high taxes to pay "for the medical costs," following the tobacco pattern, on ammo and firearms. They'll try again to re-class ammo as high explosive making residential storage very costly. And similar tactics.

960 HDrepub  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:24:57am

re: #935 CIA Reject

"Never fight with a man who buys printer's ink by the barrel" is as good advice now as it was 100 years ago.

Out of curiosity - was the governor in question a Democrat or a Republican? Liberal or Conservative?

Democrat, the southern type.

961 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:25:28am
962 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:25:35am

re: #956 karmic_inquisitor

I hope that we won't start milking a pun thread.


Don't try to cow people into silence.

963 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:25:38am

re: #915 OldLineTexan

Yesterday, I purchased two containers of Anti Monkey Butt Powder as Christmas gifts. Stylish and practical.

You and I may have been related in a previous life.

964 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:08am

re: #958 Dustyvet

I once knew a farmer who quit milking his cows, it was a bad case of udder contempt!

Just moovelous! Another pun thread.

965 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:09am

re: #956 karmic_inquisitor

I hope that we won't start milking a pun thread.

We gotta make hay while we can.

966 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:12am

re: #962 Dark_Falcon

Don't try to cow people into silence.

It takes bovine intervention to stop a pun thread here.

967 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:31am

re: #845 Walter L. Newton
Walter, she may be right about a driver's license, but she's wrong about the constitutuional right to bear arms - see my #840 above.

968 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:39am

re: #956 karmic_inquisitor

I hope that we won't start milking a pun thread.

We wouldn't want to horn in on perfectly fine thread would we?

969 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:57am

re: #951 Stonemason

Everyone starts with the right to bear arms, yes. When one breaks certain laws, one loses that right. If one is found to be mentally unstable that right might be curtailed. Minors may own firearms, yes, how else could a 12 year old hunt with his family? I am a recovering alcoholic, yeah, we get to own guns as do the druggies until they are convicted.
is it black and white? Nope, nothing is, but there is much more of an argument that we have the right to bear arms than there is to the right to drive an automobile.
When the Constitution was written I am sure there were laws regarding where one could operate a wagon, or a horse, where those could be parked and stabled. Conveyance has been regulated forever, the only travel one has a right to is walking, and even that gets dicey when personal property issues come into it.
I am not a lawyer, not by a long shot, so I can't argue those issues.

Ummm...the minor doesn't own the gun. The parent does but she lets the child use it and it may be taken away by the parent.

970 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:27:04am

re: #955 buzzsawmonkey

I find it interesting how many of my Obama-supporting friends have tried to collar me and hector me into declaring how good Obama's thus-far-announced Cabinet appointments are.

They seem to be relying on the "See? The appointments aren't so bad" line of argument. This suggests that deep down somewhere they knew exactly what a radical and what a tyro they were voting for, and are hungering now for some sort of adult approval/endorsement of their choice which they knew was stupid but cannot admit to themselves.

Trying to engage them in a serious conversation, though, remains pointless. If one observes that Obama's bland top-level appointments say little about who the backup appointees will be--or his policies, for that matter--they look at you in blank incomprehension.

And if you point out that to the extent his appointees seem to be committed to continuing Bush policies, rendering Obama exactly what they did not, theoretically, vote for, they get very huffy.

It's pathetic, really.

Excellent insight as usual. Let me dilute it a bit by adding that I still get the smug "Oh, you are a child" smile from those that tell me the same and who I caveat with "Don't be shocked when his Chicago roots start showing themselves." So far the Obamatons have no buyers remorse and see the Blago scandal as grease dripping out of the Republican smear machine. Utterly blind.

And these were the same people warning us that Bush's post 9/11 popularity had a dangerous side.

971 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:27:19am

re: #961 Iron Fist

Smoking himself to death is one way of getting rid of Obama. The Problem is that it takes so long for him to croak. Maybe he should take up crack!

No, he is the president (God help us). He needs his full faculties to do the job.

972 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:27:22am

re: #962 Dark_Falcon


I see things are moooving right along, as usual.

973 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:27:31am

re: #958 Dustyvet

I once knew a farmer who quit milking his cows, it was a bad case of udder contempt!

I once knew a guy that was outstanding in his field.
He was a farmer as well.

974 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:27:35am
975 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:28:06am

re: #964 Creeping Eruption

Just moovelous! Another pun thread.

The Secret Service surrounded the President with dozens of cows. They were trying to beef up security. (POW)

976 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:28:10am

re: #971 Dark_Falcon

No, he is the president (God help us). He needs his full faculties to do the job.

He might do a better job too stoned to get out of bed.

/just say'in

977 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:28:11am

re: #854 3 wood
How long do you think it'll take OPEC - or at least some members of OPEC to break that reduction in production?

978 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:28:13am

re: #955 buzzsawmonkey

I've been so confronted as well. The Israelis I know, in particular, really like Emanual, for obvious reasons.

I tell them that I like the Gates appointment and that's it.

The rest of them I'm taking a wait and see approach on. Rohm is turning out to be a common criminal.

979 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:28:22am

re: #962 Dark_Falcon

Don't try to cow people into silence.

I Moooved up your karma for that one.

980 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:28:36am

re: #972 Pietr

I see things are moooving right along, as usual.

GMTA

981 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:08am

re: #979 karmic_inquisitor

I Moooved up your karma for that one.

You shouldn't tell jokes about cows. Nobody likes a cattle-tale.

982 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:20am

I’m dreaming of a black, brown, yellow, red, rainbow and white Christmas,
A politically correct one don’t you know
With biodegradable stencils
And low carbon footprint tinsel And colored CFL’s for show

Politically correct Christmas carols censor 'king', 'son' and 'virgin'

Churchgoers at one carol service will not be allowed to sing the words "all in white" during Once in Royal David's City in case they appear racist, while another cleric has removed the word "virgin" from God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen.
983 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:24am

re: #942 notutopia

Realist. I appreciate your realism. It saves me from visits to the shrink to only hear validation that most of our society copes by lying to themselves.
The truth is quite painful.

The truth is painful, and powerful. The fact that human corruption is powerful does not excuse us from fighting against it. That is the truth...

984 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:38am

re: #975 Dustyvet

The Secret Service surrounded the President with dozens of cows. They were trying to beef up security. (POW)

Or they were trying to hide his bullshit amid that of the cattle.

985 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:45am
986 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:46am

re: #961 Iron Fist

Smoking himself to death is one way of getting rid of Obama. The Problem is that it takes so long for him to croak. Maybe he should take up crack!

it's an old Commander Cody tune about obsession...as for crack I'd bet my paycheck he's at least tried it

987 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:30:32am

re: #981 Dustyvet

You shouldn't tell jokes about cows. Nobody likes a cattle-tale.

I herd you the first time...

988 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:30:34am

re: #916 Dustyvet


That's a riot! LOL

989 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:30:57am

re: #984 Dark_Falcon

Or they were trying to hide his bullshit amid that of the cattle.

When should you throw out your cow milk? When it gives off a peculiar udder.

990 badbear  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:02am

re: #962 Dark_Falcon

Don't try to cow people into silence.

We are not amoosed.

991 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:02am

re: #983 CIA Reject

Fight is my middle name.

992 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:13am

re: #960 HDrepub

Democrat, the southern type.

Heh!

993 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:26am

re: #977 realwest

How long do you think it'll take OPEC - or at least some members of OPEC to break that reduction in production?

Iran and Venezuela need cash, period. If they have no cash, they can't prop up their regimes. However, they want the cuts most of all members. The Saudis on the other hand are not exactly in dire straits, and may follow a cut, but may not. Cash is king, and they may need it. The UAE actually invests what it gets from oil, so they may not give one rat's ass about any cut, and may just ignore it.

A few people on that comment forum were saying that if OPEC sees the need to cut that drastically, we may be so oversupplied that the price of oil will continue its slide.

994 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:31am

re: #959 jcm

We'll see new tactics in the wake of Heller, high taxes to pay "for the medical costs," following the tobacco pattern, on ammo and firearms. They'll try again to re-class ammo as high explosive making residential storage very costly. And similar tactics.

The tactics work because so few people are willing to exercise their Constitutional rights in the first place. Politicians lie about the intent or obfuscate by uttering irrelevancies, and too many people just swallow the swill without doing a sniff check.

995 Lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:05am

re: #985 buzzsawmonkey

That's what I was thinking when people were saying that Obama offering "nothing but appreciation" was a sign of character. It struck me as tough political hardball.

996 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:12am

re: #958 Dustyvet

I once knew a farmer who quit milking his cows, it was a bad case of udder contempt!

Did you hear about the Hollywood star who tried to retire to a dairy farm? Turned into a financial disaster. Seems she gave the livestock an inferiority complex.

997 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:18am

re: #987 karmic_inquisitor

I herd you the first time...

Tsk, Tsk, more fodder for this thread

998 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:19am

re: #985 buzzsawmonkey

I just like to ask people why they believe that One Single Perfect Rose can arise from the manure pile of Chicago politics.

Followup question; how do they know that Obama is that One Single Perfect Rose?

When you get close to scratching through the veneer, they usually give you a shifting argument - 90% of the time it is a Bush rant.

999 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:20am

re: #991 notutopia

Welcome to the Human Race :-)

1000 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:22am

re: #900 jcm
Hey jcm - I'd ordniarily agree with you if that mandatory time off would preclude a RIFF. But of course it can't.
And it's a helluva time of year for them to do that.

1001 Eowyn2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:32am

re: #865 MandyManners

so now we owe everyone the education that I couldn't afford without taking (and repaying) vast student loans?

1002 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:50am

re: #991 notutopia

Fight is my middle name.

You aren't one of those kids who was 6 before he figured out his name wasn't asshole are you?

"Hey, asshole, come in for dinner!"

"Put that hose down and get over here, asshole!"

1003 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:52am

re: #985 buzzsawmonkey

I just like to ask people why they believe that One Single Perfect Rose can arise from the manure pile of Chicago politics.

Followup question; how do they know that Obama is that One Single Perfect Rose?

Buzz ..exactly ...I stopped watching the news during the election except FOX ...then after the vote stopped all news ...started watching a little during this Blagocrapolafest ...I heard one of the women (blonde in morning but not Megan) on FOX say:

"It appears Obama is the only person in Chicago who was not corrupted" ...

I swear she said this ...I turned it off right then ...

1004 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:33:38am

re: #981 Dustyvet


OK you, your getting out of hand. (-:

1005 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:02am

re: #987 karmic_inquisitor


Shouldn't this be moved out to pasture? Mucho grassy us...

1006 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:24am

re: #1003 JacksonTn

Buzz ..exactly ...I stopped watching the news during the election except FOX ...then after the vote stopped all news ...started watching a little during this Blagocrapolafest ...I heard one of the women (blonde in morning but not Megan) on FOX say:

"It appears Obama is the only person in Chicago who was not corrupted" ...

I swear she said this ...I turned it off right then ...

No sarcasm in her statement?

1007 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:38am

re: #925 MandyManners
Well, other than the fact that I don't recall the word "Minors" even appearing in the Constitution, how's about druggies? Mentally Ill?

1008 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:43am

re: #997 Creeping Eruption

Tsk, Tsk, more fodder for this thread

We're just grazing the target with these puns.

1009 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:44am

re: #985 buzzsawmonkey

I just like to ask people why they believe that One Single Perfect Rose can arise from the manure pile of Chicago politics.

Followup question; how do they know that Obama is that One Single Perfect Rose?

Or to strain another cliche, how can an acorn fall so far from the tree of Wright and Ayers?

Followup question; how do they know that Obama is that One Nut?

1010 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:35:04am

re: #1006 bellamags

No sarcasm in her statement?

None at all ...she was dead serious ...

1011 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:35:28am

re: #971 Dark_Falcon

No, he is the president (God help us). He needs his full faculties to do the job.

Faculties? He will have the collective brain power of the Department of Education to count on.

1012 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:35:46am

re: #969 MandyManners

Ummm...the minor doesn't own the gun. The parent does but she lets the child use it and it may be taken away by the parent.

Do we really own guns or just use them with the mercy of the state? The state can take them away if we misbehave.

1013 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:35:47am

re: #985 buzzsawmonkey

I just like to ask people why they believe that One Single Perfect Rose can arise from the manure pile of Chicago politics.

Followup question; how do they know that Obama is that One Single Perfect Rose?

Problem is, the plie of Chicago politics is not made of manure, but rather, of nuclear waste. It's rather toxic, and it has the ability to mutate those who enter its cesspool.

1014 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:35:51am

re: #999 CIA Reject

Yes, I fight for the best of our human race... and against the rest of the human race.
I Fight for Truth, Justice, and The Conservative American way...
: )

1015 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:02am

First five minute break in the ongoing saga of attempted vote stealing by Franken.

Live feed
Alternate feed

/going much faster today

1016 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:03am

re: #1003 JacksonTn

Buzz ..exactly ...I stopped watching the news during the election except FOX ...then after the vote stopped all news ...started watching a little during this Blagocrapolafest ...I heard one of the women (blonde in morning but not Megan) on FOX say:

"It appears Obama is the only person in Chicago who was not corrupted" ...

I swear she said this ...I turned it off right then ...

When a political gang from Chicago asks to reform Washington, the refrain from thinking people ought to be - "Doctors, heal thyselves."

The MSM lacks thinking people.

1017 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:13am

Obama is going to speak momentarily...

1018 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:15am

re: #1010 JacksonTn

None at all ...she was dead serious ...

Was it Gretchen?

1019 Dustoff-507  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:32am

Well, it's time for me to go. Have a great day everyone.

1020 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:59am

re: #1008 Dark_Falcon

We're just grazing the target with these puns.

Well it is an open thread. With all of the various topics around here, it is impossible to corral them into a coherent whole.

1021 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:04am

re: #1017 tfc3rid

Obama is going to speak momentarily...

Garbo speaks!

1022 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:09am

re: #1017 tfc3rid

Obama is going to speak momentarily...

...and say nothing.

/We've seen this schtick before.

1023 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:14am

Colorado have a GOP or D governor?

Salazar named Secy. of Interior...

1024 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:15am

re: #940 Iron Fist
Fist, I'm talking about the "Constitutional Right for citizens to bear firearms" - you can't be seriously arguing that EVERYONE should have that right!

1025 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:18am

re: #1017 tfc3rid

Obama is going to speak momentarily...

(He needs to coordinate this with the sun bursting through the clouds, of course)

1026 Buck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:24am

Setting: Classroom with about 20 students and one teacher. Set in the future, approx the year 2100.

Teacher: Ok class lets review some history. Who freed the slaves?
Class: OBAMA
Teacher: Correct, and who was instrumental for women to get the vote?
Class: OBAMA
Teacher: Correct, and who invented the cell phone?
Class: OBAMA
Teacher: Correct, and who invented electricity?
Class: OBAMA
Teacher: Correct, and ...

Well, you get the idea...

1027 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:36am

First he steals my "first black president" title.

Now he steals, "Slick," too.

/Wild Bill.

1028 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:37am

re: #1017 tfc3rid

Obama is going to speak momentarily...

Oh shit, there goes the market.

1029 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:40am

re: #1018 bellamags

Was it Gretchen?

No ...Martha Maccallum ...

Image: 1_21_350_maccallum_martha.jpg

Friggin nut if she thinks that ...

1030 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:42am

re: #995 Lincolntf

That's what I was thinking when people were saying that Obama offering "nothing but appreciation" was a sign of character. It struck me as tough political hardball.

Obama keeps saying that he was not involved in the discussions.

Emanual talked to the Hot-rod 21 times.

Are we to believe that Emanual is already a renegade?

1031 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:02am

re: #1015 Killian Bundy

First five minute break in the ongoing saga of attempted vote stealing by Franken.

Live feed
Alternate feed

/going much faster today

Norm Coleman leads by 288 votes

234 challenged ballots reviewed
as of Wednesday, 10:26 am

1032 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:06am

re: #1017 tfc3rid

Obama is going to speak momentarily...

I seriously doubt that...Our Holy Messiah-King will drone on and on.

1033 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:11am

re: #950 Dustyvet
Thank you kindly!

1034 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:28am
1035 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:31am

BBL

1036 ciaospirit  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:32am

re: #971 Dark_Falcon

No, he is the president (God help us). He needs his full faculties to do the job.

Assuming he has those to begin with.

1037 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:53am

re: #1020 Creeping Eruption

Open Range might be better than the corral-and allow for target practice!

1038 jwb7605  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:00am

re: #1023 tfc3rid

Colorado have a GOP or D governor?

Salazar named Secy. of Interior...

D governor (Bill Ritter)
Colorado went largely "D" about 4 years ago.
What amazed me was that Hugh Hewitt thought Salazar was a good pick.

1039 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:18am

re: #1030 DeafDog

Obama keeps saying that he was not involved in the discussions.

Emanual talked to the Hot-rod 21 times.

Are we to believe that Emanual is already a renegade?

According to the MSM, yes. According th real life, Rahm is an arm-twisting thug. I'll wager he was twisting Blagojevich's arms as best he could before the deal went south.

1040 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:18am

re: #904 nyc redneck

The Tribune, like Fox News, is one of those disloyal media outlets who don't know their proper place at The One's feet.

1041 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:25am

re: #1029 JacksonTn

No ...Martha Maccallum ...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Friggin nut if she thinks that ...

Well she's symmetrical.

1042 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:28am
1043 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:35am

re: #1028 Honorary Yooper

Oh shit, there goes the market.

Yep, let's see how far it goes down by the time he's done talking.

We're screwed.

1044 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:56am

re: #1029 JacksonTn

No ...Martha Maccallum ...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Friggin nut if she thinks that ...

Yep.

1045 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:23am

Maybe it's because I'm a new father.

This always tears me up.

"Strong men also cry, strong men also cry, Mr. Lebowski."

1046 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:27am

re: #940 Iron Fist

I'm not seeing where the Federal Government has the authority to regulate who can and cannot own a gun. Read US v. Lopez. If they don't have the power to regulate gangbangers who carry guns to school, it is hard to imagin any scenario that does allow the Federal Government that power.

That's a somewhat different subject. We started off talking about Heller and the DC City Council; your point (and case reference) is about federalism.

1047 jcbunga  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:39am

Why is Ben Affleck speaking at the United Nations? I'm making gumbo and laughed so hard I've gumbo'd my sinuses.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

1048 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:41:05am

re: #1043 Dark_Falcon

Yep, let's see how far it goes down by the time he's done talking.

We're screwed.

Why is the FOX logo green?

1049 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:41:59am

re: #1039 Honorary Yooper

What happened to BO promising Fitz he wouldn't talk about it until the 22nd?

1050 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:07am

re: #1042 buzzsawmonkey

Great ! Lol.
The surgery plus the copious use of hormones however, make them awfully
pretty!...

1051 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:07am

re: #1043 Dark_Falcon

Yep, let's see how far it goes down by the time he's done talking.

We're screwed.

His Green agenda sure doesn't mean letting Americans make it or keep it.

1052 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:19am

re: #1040 Kenneth

The Tribune, like Fox News, is one of those disloyal media outlets who don't know their proper place at The One's feet.

The One and his Machine cohorts have thoroughly pissed off the Tribune's editorial board with their attempts to fire the editorial board.

Hell hath no fury in print like an editorial board scorned. John Kass just picked up a bunch of allies.

1053 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:36am

re: #1042 buzzsawmonkey

God rest ye merry transgenders
What e'er stage you be
Remember you can live your dream
Once you get surgery
But no matter what you pretend
There remains the verity
Mutilation won't make a girl into a boy, a boy
And castration won't stop you being a boy

Wonderful!

Now, as an encore, in the area of Modern LBGTBLTw/sideoffries Xmas tunes, let's hear "I Saw Daddy Fisting Santa Claus".

/sorry

1054 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:46am

re: #1048 VegasRick

Why is the FOX logo green?

To save the earth from ManBearPig, silly.

I'm so super serial about this!

1055 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:58am

re: #1049 Pietr

What happened to BO promising Fitz he wouldn't talk about it until the 22nd?

That's still on. This is information coming from sources other than BHO.

1056 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:43:04am
1057 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:43:19am

re: #1044 bellamags

She's a fox newbie...I guess she skipped orientation...

1058 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:08am

re: #1045 Ben Hur

Maybe it's because I'm a new father.

This always tears me up.

[Link: www.gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

"Strong men also cry, strong men also cry, Mr. Lebowski."

Earlier this week one of my local stations showed one of those and the newscasters were crying at the end.

1059 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:10am

re: #1015 Killian Bundy

First five minute break in the ongoing saga of attempted vote stealing by Franken.

Live feed
Alternate feed

/going much faster today

Is this going to be made into a movie "Stuart Smalley Steals the Election"?

1060 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:13am

re: #1039 Honorary Yooper

According to the MSM, yes. According th real life, Rahm is an arm-twisting thug. I'll wager he was twisting Blagojevich's arms as best he could before the deal went south.

What is more, Emanuel was either acting under the direction of Obama or with Obama's approval. Emmanuel was not acting in a vacuum (insert 'he sucks' pun here).

1061 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:18am

re: #974 buzzsawmonkey

Were they Neutral, Baboon-Butt Pink, or in the new Mandrill Blue?

Finger Monkey Yellow.

1062 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:22am

Hmmm... which is more likely:

1) Chicago politicians are corrupt and Illinois politics is corrupt from the top on down and practically everyone involved in Illinois politics is corrupt or engaged in pay to play or is being investigated for wrongdoing, but Obama escaped unscathed and is free and clear of all wrongdoing

or

2) You lie down with dogs and you're going to get fleas - there's no way that Obama could remain clean and didn't engage in the same kinds of shady and illegal activities that everyone around him did - Emanuel, Blago, Rezko, and everyone else in the Chicago machine.

Occam's Razor suggests 2 is the most likely answer. Obama's responses - getting increasingly testy about the Blago mess - suggests that the media is starting to hit a nerve on the Blago mess and that they might uncover something that isn't so squeaky clean.

1063 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:22am

re: #1040 Kenneth

The Tribune, like Fox News, is one of those disloyal media outlets who don't know their proper place at The One's feet.

No they're just in position to attack the Dem machine. The Chicago Tribune was founded as a Republican paper and has never liked the Democratic machine. Until this scandal broke, they could not do much about it. Now they can, and they will. The Tribune prefers Republicans in statewide offices and is working to lay the ground work for a functioning GOP to reemerge in this state.

On a similar vein, check out this article from Michelle Malkin:

The Real Housewives of Crook County

1064 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:47am

re: #1040 Kenneth

The Tribune, like Fox News, is one of those disloyal media outlets who don't know their proper place at The One's feet.

The Tribune's problem is that they are to close to Obama. They could play along with him being a hack liberal but Obama demanded the one thing that corrupt cynical Chicago newsies can't offer a corrupt cynical Chicago pol, Respect.

No man is a hero to his own valet - Montaigne

1065 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:47am

re: #1021 lifeofthemind

Garbo speaks!

Actually I'd like to hear what Garbo would have to say...

Probably some great war stories...

1066 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:45:07am

re: #1059 Kosh's Shadow

Is this going to be made into a movie "Stuart Smalley Steals the Election"?

"I'm smart enough to be a Senator... I'm good enough to be a Senator... and goshdarnit, people like me."

1067 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:45:11am

re: #1047 jcbunga

Why is Ben Affleck speaking at the United Nations? I'm making gumbo and laughed so hard I've gumbo'd my sinuses.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Because Matt Damon was unavailable?

1068 badbear  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:45:27am

re: #1005 Pietr

Shouldn't this be moved out to pasture? Mucho grassy us...

can chicken jokes be far behind?

1069 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:45:38am

re: #1001 Eowyn2

so now we owe everyone the education that I couldn't afford without taking (and repaying) vast student loans?

Beats me. I'm just now getting into the subject.

1070 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:45:38am

re: #1053 Occasional Reader

Smack!

1071 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:45:48am

re: #1055 Honorary Yooper

Thanks-I'm not near the TV, and got the impression he was renigging on his promise.

1072 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:45:50am

re: #1000 realwest

Hey jcm - I'd ordniarily agree with you if that mandatory time off would preclude a RIFF. But of course it can't.
And it's a helluva time of year for them to do that.

We had plenty of warning, several months. What our company will do is cut back on time, keeping people on as long as possible. We things start back up being first out to the gate is important. If a company loses time rehiring, and spinning up, many don't come back.

Agreed it's not the best time of year, especially with little notice.

1073 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:45:58am

re: #951 Stonemason
"When one breaks certain laws, one loses that right. If one is found to be mentally unstable that right might be curtailed." That's precisely the point I've been trying to make - the CONSTITUTION doesn't say you lose that right when you break certain laws. The CONSTITUTION leaves most of the actual "governing" of daily activities to the States, not to the Feds. So if a State says those convicted of certain crimes are not allowed a license to carry a gun, that is consitutionally correct. Same thing with over-regulation - see NY's Sullivan law requiring that you show a need to carry a firearm (concealed or otherwise).
There are no 'ABSOLUTE' rights in the Constitution - hell even the "Right" to freedom of speech has been curtailed by state laws and some SCOTUS decsions.
Given that - again as I think all most out here would agree that convicted felons, drug addicts, individuals found by a court of law to be mentally incompetent ought not to have the legal right to bear arms, where's the beef?

1074 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:15am

re: #1066 Occasional Reader

"I'm smart enough to be a Senator... I'm good enough to be a Senator... and goshdarnit, people like me."

Excuse me, while I harf up a hair ball!

1075 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:17am

re: #1068 badbear

can chicken jokes be far behind?

Now you're just egging us on.

1076 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:17am

re: #1062 lawhawk

Well, it comes back to how did Obama get elected to the Senate in the first place? A judge ordered Ryan's divorce proceedings unsealed, correct? Doesn't that sound a little fishy?

1077 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:24am

re: #1047 jcbunga

Why is Ben Affleck speaking at the United Nations? I'm making gumbo and laughed so hard I've gumbo'd my sinuses.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Selling Duck Insurance?

1078 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:28am

re: #1057 notutopia

She's a fox newbie...I guess she skipped orientation...

It wouldn't matter what her views were -- if they just made sense.

1079 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:36am

re: #1066 Occasional Reader

"I'm smart enough to be a Senator... I'm good enough to be a Senator... and goshdarnit, people like me."

He always reminds me of Fredo Corleone.

1080 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:51am
1081 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:47:05am

re: #1075 OldLineTexan

Now you're just egging us on.

The yolk's on you.

1082 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:47:11am

re: #1039 Honorary Yooper

According to the MSM, yes. According th real life, Rahm is an arm-twisting thug. I'll wager he was twisting Blagojevich's arms as best he could before the deal went south.

what's up w/ him having such a tuff guy reputation?
he looks like a little pip squeak wimp.
someone needs to call him out.

1083 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:47:30am

re: #1068 badbear

can chicken jokes be far behind?

Well, Walter was talking about chocking his awhile back.

1084 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:47:33am

re: #1068 badbear

can chicken jokes be far behind?

Don't cross that road.

1085 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:47:51am

He calls on the first member of the press and says 'It's nice to see you Cynthia...'

He's playing footsie with the press...

1086 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:10am

Sometimes when I see CBBHO, I think of the joke: How does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

1087 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:19am

re: #1072 jcm

Agreed it's not the best time of year

Bah, humbug! Are there no prisons?! Are there no workhouses?!

1088 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:20am

re: #1071 Pietr

Nothing personal, but it's reneging.

/This may save you some trouble in DC one day, LOL

1089 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:25am

Good morning.

Towercam fogged in.
Here is the Old Faithful Webcam. Chilly there too.

Visualize global cooling:

Laurentide Ice Sheet.

1090 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:38am

re: #957 Pietr
LOL! Well, I'd like to rant on Kerry today but I won't.
Just seems to me that the equivalent of a Captain in the Army couldn't navigate worth a shit - and he was in the Navy, no less, is disingenuous at best and a flat out lie at worst.

1091 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:47am

re: #1086 MandyManners

Sometimes when I see CBBHO, I think of the joke: How does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

How?

1092 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:49am

Just heard some guy on Glenn Beck bragging about New Orleans being the only country in the US that's actually growing.
Yeah, when your city's been wiped out is there anything it can do but grow?

1093 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:57am

re: #1056 Iron Fist

I don't know. He's a little old to have been into crack, at least if what he's told us about his use of recreational drugs is true. OTOH, he's done coke, and has basically said that the only reason he hasn't done smack is that he couldn't find any.

I have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, people do stupid things when they are young and dumb. To my knowledge that never went as far as taking someone's life. Unlike a certain Senator from the land og High Taxes and Gay Marriage...

re: #1056 Iron Fist

I don't know. He's a little old to have been into crack, at least if what he's told us about his use of recreational drugs is true. OTOH, he's done coke, and has basically said that the only reason he hasn't done smack is that he couldn't find any.

I have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, people do stupid things when they are young and dumb. To my knowledge that never went as far as taking someone's life. Unlike a certain Senator from the land og High Taxes and Gay Marriage...

I actually dont really care about drug use in general...I dont know why a pol would bring it up or at least just circumvent questions...unless it's a matter of public record...they should just say something like hey I was a typical student or whatever...some aspects of public peoples life should be kept private...imo

1094 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:58am

re: #1083 VegasRick

Well, Walter was talking about chocking his awhile back.

Walter's chicken has wheels?!

1095 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:09am

That Obama photo on Drudge has gotten popular. I've received 11 links from friends and family since it appeared. One sent this video of Cab Calloway singing Reefer Man. Listen to the words. LOL

1096 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:12am

re: #1081 Kosh's Shadow

The yolk's on you.

It's good for a cackle.

1097 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:23am

re: #1086 MandyManners

Sometimes when I see CBBHO, I think of the joke: How does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

OK. I'll bite: How?

1098 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:34am
1099 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:45am

Obama on FOX...

While calling on reporters...

Cynthia, from CBS. Go ahead, Cynthia. Nice to see you, Cynthia.

Cynthia, Cynthia, Cynthia.

What a poser this guy is.

1100 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:04am

re: #1086 MandyManners

Sometimes when I see CBBHO, I think of the joke: How does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

The same goes with Rosie O'Donnel

1101 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:05am

re: #1083 VegasRick

You jumped that like a rooster on a hen.

1102 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:13am

re: #1099 SummerSong

Obama on FOX...

While calling on reporters...

Cynthia, from CBS. Go ahead, Cynthia. Nice to see you, Cynthia.

Cynthia, Cynthia, Cynthia.

What a poser this guy is.

did he call her sweetie?

1103 pink freud  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:20am

re: #1086 MandyManners

Sometimes when I see CBBHO, I think of the joke: How does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

His are mighty large ...be easy to hang onto those. Although ... I've heard

/no. forget it.

1104 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:35am

re: #1099 SummerSong

Obama on FOX...

While calling on reporters...

Cynthia, from CBS. Go ahead, Cynthia. Nice to see you, Cynthia.

Cynthia, Cynthia, Cynthia.

What a poser this guy is.

What is he supposed to say? You, yes bitch . . you?

1105 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:37am

If it took a Hen and a half, a minute and a half, to lay an egg an a half, how long would it take a rooster sitting on a brass door knob to hatch out a hardware store?

1106 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:53am

re: #1102 nyc redneck

did he call her sweetie?

Is he telling to not waste her question? Or, did Cindy toss him a softball?

1107 irongrampa  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:56am

Not watching Obama's pressers, or anything else he's doing.

Gag reflex isn't strong enough.

1108 nobs  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:10am

re: #692 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

"Man Of the Year" on Drudge.

Too funny...don't inhale.

Where are Starsky & Hutch and that bad ass red Ford Gran –Torino.

1109 Lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:17am

re: #1104 Creeping Eruption

I'd love to see it. It goes with the picture.

1110 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:24am

re: #1092 bosforus

I hope they are not actually building new things below sea level. Or repairing things that low.

But I bet they are.

1111 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:28am

re: #1073 realwest

We deprive people of rights all the time.
Do a crime, lose your right to liberty for a period of time.
Murder, lose your right to life.

Society is a compact. Everyone agrees to abide by societies rule's (laws). Breaking the rules is an infringement on the Rights of Others. To maintain the rights of all, society cannot tolerate those who violate the rights of others.

It's self preservation for a society. When society can no longer insure the rights of everyone are respected, then rights no longer functionally exist.

1112 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:39am

re: #1094 Occasional Reader

Walter's chicken has wheels?!

Choke, Choke damnit!
/pimf would not have caught it anyway!

1113 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:42am

By his ears!

1114 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:51am

re: #1106 Desert Dog

Is he telling to not waste her question? Or, did Cindy toss him a softball?

She asked about his transparency and why it's taking so long for him to be transparent...

1115 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:08am

re: #1098 ploome hineni

what's wrong with Salazar, except that he seems too grateful to Nobama?

The stupid hat?

1116 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:08am

re: #1107 irongrampa

Not watching Obama's pressers, or anything else he's doing.

Gag reflex isn't strong enough.

I have the same reaction.

1117 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:12am

re: #1108 nobs

Where are Starsky & Hutch and that bad ass red Ford Gran –Torino.

Huggy Bear! That's IT!

1118 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:14am

re: #959 jcm
Yup, I'm afraid you're right about all of that. I sure wish SCOTUS had let me write the majority opinion in Heller.
Seriously. Part of SCOTUS job is to try to at least make Constitutional rights CLEAR to the people that live under/within those rights and SCOTUS has - and not just on gun laws - always taken the narrowly construed path - maybe good lawyering, but not so great for governing.

1119 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:35am

re: #1087 Occasional Reader

Bah, humbug! Are there no prisons?! Are there no workhouses?!

You expecting visitors next week? Late at night?

;-)

1120 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:46am

re: #1108 nobs

Where are Starsky & Hutch and that bad ass red Ford Gran –Torino.



Reefer Man
, baby.

1121 saberry0530  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:52am

re: #1053 Occasional Reader

Wonderful!

Now, as an encore, in the area of Modern LBGTBLTw/sideoffries Xmas tunes, let's hear "I Saw Daddy Fisting Santa Claus".

/sorry

had to minus ya , just for the pic in my mind.

1122 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:52am

re: #1113 MandyManners

By his ears!


Or 'her' ears, in the case of Rosie

1123 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:58am

re: #1108 nobs

Where are Starsky & Hutch and that bad ass red Ford Gran –Torino.

They're driving a Nissan these days. They got tired of paying for Ford's bad UAW contracts.

1124 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:53:09am

Landshark err Telegram err Candygram for Mongo

1125 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:53:14am

re: #1088 OldLineTexan

Thanks, brain not working fully yet-and spell check didn't catch it either.

1126 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:54:00am

re: #1101 Pietr

You jumped that like a rooster on a hen.

Yep, I've been called "pretty cocky" more than a few times.

1127 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:54:04am

re: #982 jcm That's just fucking outrageous (your link, I mean!).

1128 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:54:08am

re: #1102 nyc redneck

did he call her sweetie?

Not yet!

1129 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:54:12am

re: #1080 Iron Fist

As long as Obama doesn't start praying to Himself or calling for small children to be sacrificed on an alter consecrated to Him...(And the Donks had the nerve to hack on Sarah Palin about her church? WTF is up with that)

Did you hear the feces Our Holy Messiah-King's AgSec was shoveling about people looking up to Obama? 1930's Germany, 1920's Russia, or anytime/anyplace an autocrat rules all over again.

1130 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:54:45am

Anyone see my chicken?

1131 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:22am

re: #1130 Walter L. Newton

Sasquatch eat

1132 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:25am

re: #1114 tfc3rid

She asked about his transparency and why it's taking so long for him to be transparent...

Opaque is the new transparent.

I guess the reporter didn't get the memo...

1133 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:40am

re: #1114 tfc3rid

She asked about his transparency and why it's taking so long for him to be transparent...

I guess his Jedi Mind Trick is not as strong as it used to be...that's what happens when you go to the dark side

1134 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:44am

re: #1130 Walter L. Newton

Anyone see my chicken?

Ain't you done choking it yet?

/// did I really say that?!?

1135 saberry0530  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:46am

re: #1130 Walter L. Newton

Anyone see my chicken?

THink thats illegal in 50 out of the 57 states

1136 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:00am

re: #1104 Creeping Eruption

What is he supposed to say? You, yes bitch . . you?

LOL. That'd be funny.

1137 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:00am

Seems CAIR is peed off again.

Apparently a muslim woman wearing a hijab turned up at an Atalanta area court and tried to get in. Security told her she couldn't go in and she cussed at him, and the judge arrested her.

CAIR got involved.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

1138 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:31am

re: #1132 CIA Reject

With his skin color it is hard for him to be transparent.

1139 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:38am

re: #1099 SummerSong

Wow ...that was short and sweet...he says, too much corruption in the Interior department in the past..regarding lobbyists...and he intends to clean it up.
My, my, my, he is looking OLD already. Aging quickly...

1140 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:51am

re: #1001 Eowyn2
Well of course we do - they are ENTITLED doncha know? Course, they've done NOTHING which would, in a sane world, entitle them to anything doesn't matter!
Wonder what the weather is where they are?!

1141 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:01am

re: #1130 Walter L. Newton

Anyone see my chicken?

No, and I'd rather not.

1142 Lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:05am

I could not cair less.

1143 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:08am

re: #1138 Ojoe

With his skin color it is hard for him to be transparent.

off white is like that

1144 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:31am

re: #1130 Walter L. Newton

Anyone see my chicken?

He's across the road.

*groan*

1145 Bobblehead  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:35am

re: #1143 albusteve

off white is like that

Racist!

1146 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:37am

re: #1127 realwest

That's just fucking outrageous (your link, I mean!).

The sun has set on the empire. Great Dhimmi Britain.

1147 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:41am

re: #1143 albusteve

Off white LOL

1148 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:41am

re: #1133 Desert Dog

I guess his Jedi Mind Trick is not as strong as it used to be...that's what happens when you go to the dark side

The weak minded ain't so good at using Jedi powers, obviously.

1149 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:58am

re: #1110 Ojoe

I hope they are not actually building new things below sea level. Or repairing things that low.

But I bet they are.

Last I heard the new levees they built were below standard like before. So Katrina 2 might just be a matter of time.

1150 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:58am

re: #1135 saberry0530

THink thats illegal in 50 out of the 57 states

But it is mandated in the 3rd grade curriculum in the other 17, including ten where it is still illegal.

1151 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:15am

re: #1011 lifeofthemind
"He will have the collective brain power of the Department of Education to count on."
Oh shit, we're in trouble now!

1152 Tarheel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:16am

For those who are interested in the truth about the climate -- Try this: Watts Up With That

1153 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:39am
1154 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:50am

re: #1142 Lincolntf

I could not cair less.


The security person was concerned that she was not following the guidelines established for entering the court.

1155 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:52am

re: #1139 notutopia

Wow ...that was short and sweet...he says, too much corruption in the Interior department in the past..regarding lobbyists...and he intends to clean it up.
My, my, my, he is looking OLD already. Aging quickly...

I was noticing that, as well.

1156 CIA Reject  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:52am

re: #1138 Ojoe

With his skin color it is hard for him to be transparent.

Dunno about color, but his skin is so thin I'm surprised so many people can't see right through him.

1157 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:59:09am

Regarding Salazar as Interior Secretary...

Salazar is the one who blocked any advancement on Shale oil gassification when oil was over $100 a barrel - preventing America from expointing 1-2 Billion (that's billion with a b) barrels of shale. Shale is reckoned to be profitable at about $40 a barrel.

So we could basically be locked in right now at a $40 per barrel ceiling were it not for Salazar.

Maybe good for the environment (I have my doubts), but he is a destroyer of the economy.

1158 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:59:11am

re: #1149 bosforus

Last I heard the new levees they built were below standard like before. So Katrina 2 might just be a matter of time.

Probably in about 36 years*.

/*It was 40 years between Betsy and Katrina, so it may be as long again.

1159 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:59:13am

re: #1149 bosforus

The Big Easy, is the opposite of Be Prepared.

1160 Lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:01am

re: #1154 shanec99

The security person was concerned that she was not following the guidelines established for entering the court.

Let me elaborate. I could not cair less about the indignant CAIR people.

1161 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:28am

re: #1152 Tarheel

For those who are interested in the truth about the climate -- Try this: Watts Up With That

Great Web Site.

1162 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:52am

re: #1146 jcm

The sun has set on the empire. Great Dhimmi Britain.

With Our Messiah-King already showing He will try to out-Chamberlain on appeasement, can we be all that far behind?

1163 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:01:38am

re: #1160 Lincolntf

Let me elaborate. I could not cair less about the indignant CAIR people.

"I just felt stripped of my civil, my human rights," Valentine told The Associated Press on Wednesday from her home, after she said she was unexpectedly released once CAIR got involved. Jail officials declined to say why she was freed.

How about non-cair peuple that cower to these assholes? Cair bout them?

1164 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:01:55am

re: #1149 bosforus

Last I heard the new levees they built were below standard like before. So Katrina 2 might just be a matter of time.

We won't have to worry since now we have Our Messiah-King!

1165 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:31am

Wow, CNN has a lead story of the female surgeon who did a face transplant.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

What's wrong with this picture?

1166 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:46am

re: #1160 Lincolntf

Let me elaborate. I could not cair less about the indignant CAIR people.


My question is this... why would anyone be upset that this woman was arrested after she cursed out a security officer at a court who was only enforcing the established regulations?
Apparently the woman was released from prison after CAIR got involved. [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

1167 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:50am

re: #1160 Lincolntf

Let me elaborate. I could not cair less about the indignant CAIR people.

Do care, Lic. They have evil designs on us and so we must pay close attention to what they do.

1168 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:57am

re: #1130 Walter L. Newton

Anyone see my chicken?

Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.

1169 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:58am

re: #1164 FurryOldGuyJeans

We won't have to worry since now we have Our Messiah-King!

All hurricanes will stop at the shoreline now.
/

1170 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:03:25am
1171 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:03:28am

re: #1082 nyc redneck

what's up w/ him having such a tuff guy reputation?
he looks like a little pip squeak wimp.
someone needs to call him out.

This tuff guy ...Rahm?

Image: emanuelbalerina.jpg

1172 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:03:31am

re: #1144 SummerSong

He's across the road.

*groan*

Why did it cross the road? ;)

1173 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:03:48am
1174 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:03:50am

If this Isn't Terrorism, What Is?

For some time, many have argued that an element of anti-Semitism has distorted the way the BBC covers the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But now, following the Mumbai events, we can perhaps see that anti-Semitism may even be at work in the way the BBC covers foreign news in general. For much of the Mumbai siege, the BBC went out of its way to avoid reporting that the Jewish community center was one of the seven targets. At one point viewers were told that "an office building" had been targeted (referring to the Jewish center as such).

Then on Friday morning, TV pictures of Indian commandos storming the besieged Jewish center were broadcast by networks around the world. Heavily armed commandos, their faces covered by balaclavas, rappelled from helicopters onto the roof while Indian sharpshooters in buildings opposite opened fire and a helicopter circled overhead. Huge crowds of onlookers could be seen looking aghast as they watched from nearby streets. While Sky News and other channels were gripped by these dramatic pictures, BBC World was not, almost pretending there was no siege at the Jewish center -- even though by then it was one of only two sites that remained under attack in Mumbai. Had the terrorists chosen to besiege a church or mosque instead, can you imagine the BBC ignoring it this way?

Meanwhile -- perhaps even more disgracefully -- a New York Times report on the last day of the siege stated: "It is not known if the Jewish center was strategically chosen, or if it was an accidental hostage scene."

Has the New York Times learned anything since the Holocaust, when, even after the war ended in the spring of 1945, the paper infamously refused to report that the Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Germans and so on killed in the camps had been Jews, and killed as Jews?

Dozens of eyewitness accounts by local Indians said the gunmen shouted "Allah Akbar" from the Jewish center. It is housed in a nondescript block and is not obviously marked from the outside as a Jewish center. It is the one Jewish building in a densely crowded city of millions. And the Times, the self-proclaimed paper of record, wants to let readers think it might have been an accidental target?

Even the Times's British equivalent, the Guardian, began its news story: "The inclusion of the headquarters of an ultra-orthodox Jewish group was obviously intended to send its own message." Does the New York Times think that the seeking out and murder by Muslim terrorists of the only New York rabbi in Mumbai and his wife was "an accidental target"?

If this Isn't Terrorism, What Is? BUILDING HOUSES.

The real reason of course is that the Left, the MSM and the Islamists want you to beleive that "terrorism" against Israel is something completely different than REAL terrorism.

G-d forbid the Jews should try to piggy back.

1175 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:00am

re: #1137 shanec99

Seems CAIR is peed off again.

Apparently a muslim woman wearing a hijab turned up at an Atalanta area court and tried to get in. Security told her she couldn't go in and she cussed at him, and the judge arrested her.

CAIR got involved.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

The headline is wrong. She was not in custody until she cussed at the bailiff but, that's not mentioned until the very last sentence.

1176 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:04am

re: #1165 Walter L. Newton

Wow, CNN has a lead story of the female surgeon who did a face transplant.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

What's wrong with this picture?

I dunno,, but it gives a whole new meaning to the Hockey term "FACE OFF"

1177 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:33am

re: #1169 VegasRick

All hurricanes will stop at the shoreline now.
/

No, there won't be any more hurricanes.

1178 LGoPs  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:34am

re: #1157 DeafDog

Regarding Salazar as Interior Secretary...

Salazar is the one who blocked any advancement on Shale oil gassification when oil was over $100 a barrel - preventing America from expointing 1-2 Billion (that's billion with a b) barrels of shale. Shale is reckoned to be profitable at about $40 a barrel.

So we could basically be locked in right now at a $40 per barrel ceiling were it not for Salazar.

Maybe good for the environment (I have my doubts), but he is a destroyer of the economy.

His allegiance is to a higher calling - the radical environmental movement - one of which's primary tenets is 'the will of the people be damned'...Bastards.

1179 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:40am

re: #1159 Ojoe

With a name like The Big Easy...what do you expect from the Corp of Engineers...The Big Easy...

1180 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:42am

re: #1172 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why did it cross the road? ;)

It was stapled to the punk rocker.

1181 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:56am

re: #1176 sattv4u2

I dunno,, but it gives a whole new meaning to the Hockey term "FACE OFF"

I was thinking that she needed the transplant.

1182 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:05:04am

re: #1154 shanec99

The security person was concerned that she was not following the guidelines established for entering the court.

Would he make a Jewish man remove his yalmuke? A Singh man remove his turban?

1183 noshariaincanada  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:05:15am

...so anyway, the TSX is halted due to "technical issues".

It's been halted since shortly after the open, and I have to close out some trades, but I cannot until they resume.

1184 Lincolntf  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:05:16am

re: #1163 VegasRick

"unexpectedly?" Not to me. As for the mealy mouthed officials who caved immediately, I throw up my hands.

1185 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:05:42am

Huggy Bama?

1186 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:06:42am

re: #1159 Ojoe

The Big Easy, is the opposite of Be Prepared.

I will say this about NO...as a semi-pro party monger...eater/drinker lover of diverse folks and music and history as well as the Gulf in general...I sincerely hope No comes alive and finds some solutions to the myriad of problems that city faces...she is easily one of the two or three most significant towns in the country for my above reasons...I love NO

1187 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:06:43am

yeah, and we are paying for it re: #1092 bosforus

1188 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:06:49am

re: #1106 Desert Dog

Is he telling to not waste her question? Or, did Cindy toss him a softball?

OK, fair is fair. That was not only a softball, it could have been a question Obama wrote. It was something like " isn't it sad you can't be "Obama like" and talk now." That was the CBS reporter trying to kill any negative press about the delay. Although I can't judge the fairness about the comments about the delay, she sure rolled a softball right into his bat.

1189 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:06:56am

1/8 inch of snow and the schools are closed in Vancouver, WA.

1190 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:06:58am

re: #918 lifeofthemind

And Mine...

Here Lies Les More
Two Rounds from a 44
No Les, No More.

1191 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:07:00am

re: #1185 Ben Hur

I envision a new Cabbage Patch Kid ...Huggy Bama...

1192 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:07:00am

It's warm today in Golden, Co. It's up to 28 degrees (f)

1193 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:07:05am

re: #1184 Lincolntf

"unexpectedly?" Not to me. As for the mealy mouthed officials who caved immediately, I throw up my hands.

These double/triple standards need to stop NOW!

1194 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:07:20am
1195 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:07:48am

re: #1086 MandyManners
ROTFL! Uh, waitaminute - how does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

1196 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:07:57am

re: #1175 MandyManners

The headline is wrong. She was not in custody until she cussed at the bailiff but, that's not mentioned until the very last sentence.

I know... why do people think they can cuss at law enforcement officers and not get arrested. Then she gets released after CAIR gets involved... good grief.

1197 Racer X  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:06am

To those of you who who hoped and prayed, and stood naked on a glacier, trying your hardest to reverse this horrible catastrophe called Global Warming™ - Thank You!

Your prayers have been answered.

I hate the cold.


/yes, they're naked on a glacier. NSFW!

1198 irongrampa  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:11am

re: #1172 FurryOldGuyJeans

To show the possum it COULD be done.

1199 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:24am

I'm starting to think Obama already may have peaked. It's all downhill for him from here. He'll spend the first two years fending off scandal allegations, and the last two running for re-election.

He'll be re-elected if the Russians haven't overrun Eastern Europe, and a dirty bomb hasn't detonated in Chicago.

1200 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:29am

re: #1186 albusteve

Cool on the festive aspects !
Worth preserving; I think they should hire some Dutch engineers, and house movers.

1201 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:30am

re: #1189 Steve

1/8 inch of snow and the schools are closed in Vancouver, WA.

3+ inches of snow, and little is closed around Chicagoland. Just a bunch of pissed off commuters wondering where the hell the plows were last night.

1202 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:31am

re: #1180 jcm

It was stapled to the punk rocker.

DO'H! And here I thought because it was trying to get away from Walter since he kept trying to choke it. ;Þ

1203 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:56am

re: #1195 realwest

ROTFL! Uh, waitaminute - how does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

Bye his ears.

1204 Kragar  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:04am

re: #1195 realwest

ROTFL! Uh, waitaminute - how does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

I would assume in a cup or bottle most of the time.

1205 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:33am

re: #1082 nyc redneck

what's up w/ him having such a tuff guy reputation?
he looks like a little pip squeak wimp.
someone needs to call him out.

I've got twenty bucks that says Hillary gives Rahm a wedgie in the Old Executive Office Building Gym within 30 days of Inauguration.

1206 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:40am

re: #1197 Racer X

Edit the dudes out and you have a great photo.

1207 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:53am
1208 Racer X  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:54am

re: #1203 Walter L. Newton

Bye his ears.

Bad. Bad, bad bad bad!

1209 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:55am

re: #1196 shanec99

I know... why do people think they can cuss at law enforcement officers and not get arrested. Then she gets released after CAIR gets involved... good grief.

The conditions of her release concern me. Is there any other civil "rights" group that can get someone released from jail with a phone call? Is CAIR above the law? Did they threaten to sue the court?

1210 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:57am

re: #1182 MandyManners

Would he make a Jewish man remove his yalmuke? A Singh man remove his turban?


I am sure he would have told em to... but that is not the point... she got arrested for cursing a law enforcement official enforcing regulations.

1211 Desert Dog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:10:03am

re: #1197 Racer X

To those of you who who hoped and prayed, and stood naked on a glacier, trying your hardest to reverse this horrible catastrophe called Global Warming™ - Thank You!

Your prayers have been answered.

I hate the cold.


/yes, they're naked on a glacier. NSFW!

Shrinkage

1212 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:10:11am
1213 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:10:42am

re: #1194 Iron Fist

I didn't hear that, but I'm not surprised. I've not been impressed by any of his cabinet picks thus far. It seems likely that he will only appoint people who have already drank his koolaid to any position of real authority. He's got the classic Cult of Personality going. He reminds me a lot of Mussolini.

I turned on FNC just long enough to see this BIG cowboy hatted "dude" wax eloquently about the the qualities of Obama's Messiah-Kingship and why we should all be so worshipful of Him.

1214 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:11:21am

re: #1207 Ben Hur

The Last Days of CAIR

It should be an interesting law review article on sharia financing

1215 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:11:42am

re: #1197 Racer X

To those of you who who hoped and prayed, and stood naked on a glacier, trying your hardest to reverse this horrible catastrophe called Global Warming™ - Thank You!

Your prayers have been answered. I hope they get frost bitten on you know what.

I hate the cold.


/yes, they're naked on a glacier. NSFW!

1216 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:11:51am

re: #1211 Desert Dog

Here we go down hill. Who said boobies?

1217 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:11:53am

re: #1175 MandyManners

The headline is wrong. She was not in custody until she cussed at the bailiff but, that's not mentioned until the very last sentence.

Laws against face coverings go back to the fight against the KKK. They were a good idea then and they would be a good idea now. The threat is no longer confined to a few states. It should be a nationwide rule.

With provision for a medical exemption following appropriate verification by a licensed physician and a court hearing and theatrical exemption by permit, also a halloween waiver clause.

1218 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:12:26am

Thinking of a Degree in Social Work.
Conservatives Need Not Apply.

A former student at the Rhode Island College School of Social Work is suing the school and several of his professors for discrimination, saying he was persecuted by the school's "liberal political machine" for being a conservative.

William Felkner, 45, says the New England college and six professors wouldn't approve his final project on welfare reform because he was on the "wrong" side of political issues and countered the school's "progressive" liberal agenda.

1219 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:12:43am

re: #1165 Walter L. Newton

Wow, CNN has a lead story of the female surgeon who did a face transplant.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

What's wrong with this picture?

That she's capable of doing a face transplant, but seems to come up short in basic dental care?

1220 Buck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:12:47am

re: #1048 VegasRick

Why is the FOX logo green?

Christmas?

1221 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:12:48am

re: #1111 jcm
Right. It's just that the Constitution leaves most of the actual governing of the country to the people, so it is, for the most part, the STATES that decide who regulate gun purchases, rights to carry and the like.

1222 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:12:55am

where is Charles? This string is getting kinda long, don'tcha think?

1223 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:13:03am

re: #1191 notutopia

I envision a new Cabbage Patch Kid ...Huggy Bama...

Looks cute and cuddly and stabs you in the back after it is fully adopted.

1224 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:13:47am

re: #1216 Erik The Red
boobies? did I hear boobies?

1225 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:08am

re: #1209 MandyManners

The conditions of her release concern me. Is there any other civil "rights" group that can get someone released from jail with a phone call? Is CAIR above the law? Did they threaten to sue the court?


You can't sue a court unless the court gives you permission to sue, under the legal theory of soverign immunity... you may however appeal the decision, and hear your appeal heard by a higher court.

1226 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:13am

re: #1189 Steve

1/8 inch of snow and the schools are closed in Vancouver, WA.

Kids today are soft.

1227 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:39am

re: #1197 Racer X

In my part of reality here south of Seattle we are expected to get several inches of some very wet global warming today. Even as I type this I look out the window and see all that global warming falling thick enough to be near whiteout.

1228 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:56am

re: #1224 apachegunner

boobies? did I hear boobies?

You wish!

1229 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:08am

re: #1217 lifeofthemind

Laws against face coverings go back to the fight against the KKK. They were a good idea then and they would be a good idea now. The threat is no longer confined to a few states. It should be a nationwide rule.

With provision for a medical exemption following appropriate verification by a licensed physician and a court hearing and theatrical exemption by permit, also a halloween waiver clause.

So I should be arrested and charged for wearing my balaclava on cold, windy days?

1230 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:28am

re: #1201 Honorary Yooper

3+ inches of snow, and little is closed around Chicagoland. Just a bunch of pissed off commuters wondering where the hell the plows were last night.

Could be they are waiting to clean up after the fall out from your Gov.

1231 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:39am

Noam Chomsky on Obama and his Cabinet Selections

"Many of those who Obama chose for his economic team shouldn't have been getting appointments, they should be getting subpoenas"

"His choices are like selecting Osama Bin Laden to run the war on terror"

"By now Jews in the US are the most privileged and influential part of the population... Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem, fortunately. Its raised, but its raised because privileged people want to make sure they have total control, not just 98% control."

I suggest ignoring the Leftist anti-Semitism in the comments.

1232 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:45am

re: #1228 father_of_10
you know it

1233 cartoonboy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:45am

Shoe-fly guy.

1234 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:47am

re: #1200 Ojoe

Cool on the festive aspects !
Worth preserving; I think they should hire some Dutch engineers, and house movers.

you may be right I dunno...Katrina broke my heart but I'm just so happy that the Quarter went undamaged...truly a unique piece of living history

1235 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:53am

re: #1224 apachegunner

boobies? did I hear boobies?

I didn't even know they made a distinctive noise!
What does it sound like?

1236 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:53am

re: #1224 apachegunner

boobies? did I hear boobies?

Bring it out. I almost got the stick the last time.

1237 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:16:02am

re: #1226 tfc3rid

Kids today are soft.

Ain't the kids; it is the school bureaucrats that are soft.

1238 Buck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:16:10am

re: #1224 apachegunner

boobies? did I hear boobies?

hear? What is this radio?

1239 father_of_10  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:16:23am

re: #1224 apachegunner

boobies? did I hear boobies?

Seriously though, when it comes to boobies, why would you want to HEAR them? Other senses are much applicable.

1240 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:16:34am

re: #1146 jcm
Yeah, and in a lot of ways that's sad, but what surprises me the most about it is the role The Church of England had to play in the downfall of Great Britain.
Just...sad.

1241 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:16:44am

re: #1235 Occasional Reader
heh

1242 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:16:53am

We have a couple of inches of global warming on the road in Massachusetts.
I was driving slowly down a back road (25-30) so I wouldn't slide if I rounded a curve and had to avoid ice storm debris that is still around, and I had an idiot in a pickup 6 inches from my rear bumper. I can tell he was an idiot because the only part of his truck that was cleared of snow was the area of the windshield wipers.

1243 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:00am
1244 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:24am

re: #1224 apachegunner

boobies? did I hear boobies?

A nice pair!


*SFW*
Really.

1245 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:28am

re: #1226 tfc3rid

Kids today are soft.

When I was a kid in Germany and Kansas we went to school regardless. Most of my grade school was in an old style quonset hut.

1246 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:54am

A professor of Labor Law takes issue with the radical education policy of Obama & Ayers,

The Authoritarian Radicals: Barack Obama, Bill Ayers and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (download the pdf at the link)

Ernest Haberkern, a veteran labor and student activist of the period, later wrote about the SDS and the trade union movement:

The problem was that these middle class students thought of themselves as leaders. Without thinking about it - because they didn't think about it explicitly - they rejected the trade union movement because it was already organized, it already had a leadership.

There was no room at the top for them there. At least not in any reasonably near future. The "poor," on the other hand, were not organized and had no leadership.

One could easily see a young Barack Obama making the same calculation -- how to get to the top in a city like Chicago which already had an established political leadership in the Democratic party and the Chicago Federation of Labor. Well, how about the community organizations? And who better to ally oneself with than someone like Bill Ayers, a 20- year veteran of this milieu, himself trying to recover from a violent and controversial past, now remade as an education professor at the University of Illinois’ urban Chicago campus.

The real record or the Chicago Annenberg Challenge:

Among the first of these “external partners” to receive a grant from the CAC (for $175,000 and later for hundreds of thousands more) was the Small Schools Workshop (SSW) that was founded in 1992 by Bill Ayers and directed then, and now, by Mike Klonsky. It was housed in the same building as the CAC at UIC. Klonsky, a former member of SDS and the founder of a maoist sect in the 1970s, had been hired away from his job driving a Chicago cab by Ayers to lead the SSW after he had earned a Ph.D. in education.

The SSW promised “dramatic improvements in student achievement, teacher morale and professionalism, and in the relationships between various stakeholders within school communities.” However, George Schmidt, once a prominent Chicago teachers union activist and now editor of Substance, a union oriented education policy journal in Chicago, described external partners like the SSW as follows:


"At best, they are irrelevant wanderers. At worst, they are teacher bashers and ideologues pushing a political line while collecting political patronage."

Schmidt had direct experience with an SSW program in the mid-1990s when he taught at Chicago’s troubled south side Bowen High School located in the same kind of neighborhoods devastated by closing steel mills where Barack Obama had been a community organizer a few years earlier. Bowen had some 1,400 students, half black and half Hispanic, and overwhelmingly from low-income families. Bowen was on “probation” for low-test scores at the time it was approached by the Klonsky-led Small Schools group. Schmidt says,

"the People they sent…had little or no classroom experience. Their activities ranged from irrelevant to intrusive when it came to discussing things like classroom instruction with people. On a couple of occasions, they sent out their heavyweights (Mike Klonsky and Bill Ayers), who were equally irrelevant, albeit more arrogant (and a bit more polished)…. In the opinion of most teachers, our "external partners" were pesky and underfoot. At worst, they were pushing for nonsense."
1247 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:56am

re: #1240 realwest

Yeah, and in a lot of ways that's sad, but what surprises me the most about it is the role The Church of England had to play in the downfall of Great Britain.
Just...sad.

The leaders of the Church of Great Britain act more like it is the Mosque.

1248 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:09am

re: #1231 Ben Hur

Noam Chomsky on Obama and his Cabinet Selections

I suggest ignoring the Leftist anti-Semitism in the comments.

Love this comment :"Only a bigot could discredit the selfless humility of Chomsky. "

LOL!

1249 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:26am

re: #1242 Kosh's Shadow

I can tell he was an idiot because the only part of his truck that was cleared of snow was the area of the windshield wipers.

Don't you love that? And then when they get up to highway speeds, the snow blows off their car... onto the cars behind them.

1250 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:27am
1251 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:29am
1252 apachegunner  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:49am

exactly what I was talking about, naturally everyone else went the porno way did they. re: #1244 jcm

1253 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:58am

re: #1239 father_of_10

Seriously though, when it comes to boobies, why would you want to HEAR them? Other senses are much applicable.

yeah prefer to touch them, kiss them, even slurp chocolate syrup off them... whole bunch of things rather than hear them.

1254 cartoonboy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:07am

Amazon now stocks flying Aladdin Shoes.

1255 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:29am

re: #1247 FurryOldGuyJeans

The leaders of the Church of Great Britain act more like it is the Mosque.

(There is no "Church of Great Britain", btw.)

1256 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:53am

re: #1231 Ben Hur

Noam Chomsky on Obama and his Cabinet Selections

I suggest ignoring the Leftist anti-Semitism in the comments.

I saw at my local library a while back a DVD about media bias, hosted by him. It was titled something like: The Myth of the Leftist Media.

1257 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:59am

re: #1229 Occasional Reader

So I should be arrested and charged for wearing my balaclava on cold, windy days?

You can tell the rest of the Light Brigade to take their horses out of the court room also.

1258 irongrampa  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:20:59am

Here in upstate New York( Adirondacks) we got a light dusting(3") of global warming, to accompany the 4" from last week.

I just love this shit.

1259 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:21:02am

re: #1213 FurryOldGuyJeans

I turned on FNC just long enough to see this BIG cowboy hatted "dude" wax eloquently about the the qualities of Obama's Messiah-Kingship and why we should all be so worshipful of Him.

Even I was embarrassed by that sermon, it was over the top. I guess the good news is both some on both the right and left are bitching about the appointments. I did notice Obamas mentioned the proud history of hunting too. He'll never miss a chance to toss a political bone when given the chance. That's something that seems a bit self serving to me and I did vote for him.

1260 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #1255 Occasional Reader

(There is no "Church of Great Britain", btw.)

Oh foof, would you quit being such a stickler for trivia details...you know what the frak I meant, didn't you? ;Þ

1261 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:21:44am

re: #1229 Occasional Reader

So I should be arrested and charged for wearing my balaclava on cold, windy days?

Your ski mask is a bad idea at the courthouse. As well as the bank, the convenience store, and the tanning salon.

1262 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:22:25am

Holy shit! I know Charles doesn't like it when we link to Gates of Vienna but I'm going to do it anyways...
The Fjordman Fund
Notice the symbol next to Fjordy's book? I'm pretty sure that's an Odin's cross.

1263 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:23:41am

re: #1170 Iron Fist
OK- don't disagree but that's not what I meant by Convicted Felons - they usually are released on parole and have a certain time period to prove that they have been rehabilitated (or have learned not to be caught) and that is part of their sentence, so until they've completed their sentence, I don't believe convicted felons should be legally allowed to carry firearms.

1264 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:24:37am

re: #1229 Occasional Reader

So I should be arrested and charged for wearing my balaclava on cold, windy days?


Only if you are told you can't wear it into court and you then proceed to cuss out the judge.

1265 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:25:16am

re: #1195 realwest

ROTFL! Uh, waitaminute - how does a sorority girl hold her liquor?

closes her thighs around his head ?!?!?!

1266 Buck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:25:59am

re: #1256 FurryOldGuyJeans

I saw at my local library a while back a DVD about media bias, hosted by him. It was titled something like: The Myth of the Leftist Media.

The proof that it is a myth is that all most everyone in the press doesn't see it...

Now the extreme Right wing bias of Fox News... that is obviously real. Same proof.

1267 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:26:09am
1268 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:26:39am

re: #1190 Cap'n DOC
Hey Cap'n - that's already been used (with some spelling changes) -it's an actual epitath for some guy in Tombstone's old "Boot Hill".

1269 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:26:49am

re: #1240 realwest

Yeah, and in a lot of ways that's sad, but what surprises me the most about it is the role The Church of England had to play in the downfall of Great Britain.
Just...sad.

I've written on this before. The Church of England was designed after the religious wars of the 17th century to be Established but toothless. Incompetence is not a bug it is a feature.

1270 Pietr  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:28:22am

re: #1170 Iron Fist


By banning Felons from having guns, you still have a chance to convict them on any crime involving a gun-for the gun charge alone, even if the rest falls apart. IIRC, they used this to clean up Atlanta a while back.

re: #1255 Occasional Reader

Correct-it's the Church of England.

1271 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:28:25am

re: #1262 Killgore Trout

Addendum from the comments...

Blogger Dymphna said...

@IvanFyodorovichShponka --

That CELTIC cross is displayed there because its owner is a Christian. I have a Celtic cross myself.

The Nazis commandeered many things; that doesn't mean they now own them for eternity. The Flemish party Vlaams Belang, of which the owner is a member, has been excoriated by the thugs in the Belgian police, media and parliament for supposedly being neo-Nazis.

Fjordman has been excoriated for supposedly being racist.

I don't know about the other book -- it's probably considered a very unpolitcally correct children's book in Belgium. Probably TinTin is too.

IOW, the picture is supposed to be a visual ironic joke.

I can see that if one thinks that the Celtic Cross now belongs to the Nazis alone, then this picture would cause alarm. However, as a Celtic Irish woman whose ancestral homeland has thousands of Celtic crosses dating back hundreds of years, I don't permit the Nazis to own that symbol.


Odin's Cross on another VB bookshelf!

1272 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:28:45am

re: #1259 avanti

Even I was embarrassed by that sermon, it was over the top. I guess the good news is both some on both the right and left are bitching about the appointments. I did notice Obamas mentioned the proud history of hunting too. He'll never miss a chance to toss a political bone when given the chance. That's something that seems a bit self serving to me and I did vote for him.

Two questions ...

1. Why did you vote for Obama?

2. Who is the guy you are talking about with Cowboy hat?

1273 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:28:55am

re: #1197 Racer X
Oh, GACK! Someone ought to inform those folks that while freezing cold may, ah, enhance some women's bodies, cold does NOTHING to help a man's appearance, except to show off his shortcomings!

1274 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:30:18am

re: #1262 Killgore Trout

It is stylized like a celtic cross though. Most Odin's crosses tend to be far plainer and simpler from what I've seen thusfar.

It's from the DownEast Blog. I found a bigger picture of it on Flickr, and took a look at the books behind the cross. Interesting collection, IMHO.

1275 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:32:57am

re: #1267 Iron Fist

Where do I sign up? Chompsky is one of the worst people in the world today. In truth, Evil seems to have a pretty shallow bench this day and age. The Mohammedans don't have a lock on it, but they do represent the majority of it. Take Chief Bugaboo George Sorous. Yeah, he's evil alright, but look at what a weak, insipid evil he is. He has nothing on Jack the Ripper, let alone the heavy hitters like Stalin, Hitler, JenJiz Khan, or Vlad the Impaler.

While Vlad was evil and engaged in atrocities, let us not forget what he was fighting. Too few historical documents tell the whole story, he was resisting the barbaric and murderous spread of Islam at the point of the sword. Vlad the Impaler was the guy who saved Romania from the Muslim domination by the Ottoman Turks... on one occasion he apparently nailed a Muslim religious head wear to a fellow's head because the fellow said his religious beliefs prohibited him from removing it.

1276 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:32:57am

re: #1247 FurryOldGuyJeans Yep. Wonder if they can take a "refresher" course on Christianity?

1277 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:35:27am
1278 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:35:53am

re: #1255 Occasional Reader C'mon O.R. - give him a break you and I know he meant the Church of England. Although how you know it I don't know! LOL!
:)

1279 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:37:50am

re: #1269 lifeofthemind
Ah, right and well said, too!

1280 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:39:02am

re: #1223 Kosh's Shadow

oooww... Wasn't there twilight zone about that...a doll coming to life ...

1281 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #1271 Killgore Trout

Odin's Cross on another VB bookshelf!

This is a Celtic Cross

This is Odin's Cross.

Some people pretend there is no difference. There is.

1282 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:40:08am

re: #1274 Honorary Yooper

I found a bigger picture of it on Flickr, and took a look at the books behind the cross. Interesting collection, IMHO.

Yeah, the cross is stylized and not the typical Odin's Cross. It is not a Celtic cross though because the bottom part isn't long enough. It isn't a solar cross because the cross goes over the boarder of the circle. What other books are there? I don't recognize any of them.
BTW, I think this is bait. They want Charles to run a thread on this. It's too obvious. They think it will generate extra publicity. I say we give it to them.

1283 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:40:38am
1284 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:40:55am

re: #1281 Kenneth

Yup.

1285 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:41:01am

re: #1172 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why did it cross the road? ;)

1286 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:45:17am

[Link: downeastblog.blogspot.com...]
Fjordman Fund
Yep Kilgore, Here's a larger plate version. Looks like there's another plate sitting ontop the books and they were purposely arranged like this for the photo shoot... don't you agree...

1287 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:46:09am

re: #1246 Kenneth

The Challenge allowed Barack Obama and Bill Ayers to work together, no doubt closely, in the heat of political battle to help disburse $160 million to allies, particularly in the LSC’s, in the Chicago School system. Under the circumstances, it seems more than a bit disingenuous of Senator Obama to have attempted to dismiss Bill Ayers as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood.”

On a more serious level, of course, the CAC effort raises the question of the
fundamental worldview of Barack Obama. It would appear to have a lot more in common with the perspective of Bill Ayers, a perspective that dates back forty years because of its roots in the New Left of the 1960’s, but continues today, as Ayers pushes for his racially divisive, authoritarian agenda in American schools
.

This is why Obama's choice of Arne Duncan as Education Secretary, the head of the Chicago school system, is of such concern.

1288 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:51:24am
1289 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #1286 notutopia

Agreed.

1290 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:54:16am
1291 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:59:28am

re: #1288 Iron Fist

Yeah, I agree with you. I actually like Vlad in a general kind of way. He was a hard man for hard times. He did things that were, from a 21st Century perspective, morally wrong, reprehensible really. But that was what it took to rule in that time and place. If he had tried to fight the Ottomans by Marquis of Queensburt rules, they would have buried him under heaping piles of dead bodies.

The Khan is another such case. He was brutally ruthless in war, ever expanding his empire by the sword, but he also was very (for want of a better word) progressive for his time. Freedom of religion, for example, was enjoyed in the Mongol Empire. That was not the case for most of the rest of the World.


I dislike everything about Vlad (something about the ends not justifying the means to achieve them), but I also dislike the murder and mayhem that the Muslim forces under the Ottomans used to subjugate and force whole nations to convert to Islam.
My hero in the effort to resist the spread of Islam in Europe was Charles Martel. He stopped the Muslim hordes invading France without engaging in atrocities. He is frequently credited with saving Europe from Muslim domination.

1292 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:59:59am

re: #1290 Iron Fist

A bad AG can do a lot of short term damage. A bad education secretary can do a lot more long term damage. And that is exactly what Obama is planning on: the long term Gramcian degradation of education. A generation raised in the Ayers-Alinsky style authoritarian leftist education system would destroy America for ever.

1293 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:02:23am

re: #1272 JacksonTn

Two questions ...

1. Why did you vote for Obama?

2. Who is the guy you are talking about with Cowboy hat?

1. I was disappointed with Bush and bought the change thing. After reading Obama's books, I liked his ideas about pulling the country together and it's why I'm here It's the first time I've received weekly e-mails from the President elects office keeping me and a few million others up to speed. Only time will tell if my vote was a mistake, but I'll give him a year or two.
2. Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar is to lead the Interior Department.

1294 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:03:13am
1295 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:07:17am

See ya later yall... gotta go... need the beauty sleep.

1296 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #1294 Iron Fist

Just FYI, the Second Amendment isn't about hunting. That is simply what the Left would have you believe. US v. Miller found that it only applied to military weapons or weapons that could be used in a military fashion (useful for the common defense). Heller goes further, establishing the fact that the Second Amendment identifies an individual right, and one that is also tied to personal defense. It also held that this right covers handguns, something that the Miller case left unclear.

I agree, my point was,he never misses a chance to do he political thing. Personally, I don't think Obama is going to threaten most gun owners, the second amendment is pretty much settled law. He may nip a bit on the edges with assault weapons and certain types of ammo, but he could not take your guns away even if he wanted too.

1297 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:21:18am
1298 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:38:14am

re: #1282 Killgore Trout

One struck me as very interesting on his bookshelf.
Carl vonClausewitz, On War.
I'd also like to know what the heck Plop is.

1299 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:39:45am

re: #1298 Honorary Yooper

One struck me as very interesting on his bookshelf.
Carl vonClausewitz, On War.
I'd also like to know what the heck Plop is.

The sequel to Everybody Poops?

1300 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:55:41am

re: #1297 Iron Fist

Obama has said as much himself. I don't know how much political capital he is going to be willing to invest in Gun Control.

No matter how you feel about his politics, he's very politically savvy. He'll only push enough to offend the I want a bazooka crowd on one side and the ban all guns on the other. He'll never make the extremes on both sides happy but I predict he'll try, just for the political expediency if for nothing else.
One hint is his 20 million mail, e-mail list. He'll bounce a idea off the base, test the wind, then act. I know he's fighting to keep his Blackberry, even C Span some cabinet meetings to make some changes Honestly, I don't know if can be done or he's BS'ing us, but the C span thing could open things up a bit. Yea, I swallowed the hope and change thing whole.

1301 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:57:39am

re: #1293 avanti

1. I was disappointed with Bush and bought the change thing. After reading Obama's books, I liked his ideas about pulling the country together and it's why I'm here It's the first time I've received weekly e-mails from the President elects office keeping me and a few million others up to speed. Only time will tell if my vote was a mistake, but I'll give him a year or two.
2. Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar is to lead the Interior Department.

Are you saying you are here at this blog to try to "bring us all together" like in the "Yes, We Can" thing ...if so, is this your personal mission or were you sent by someone ...

As to the Obama's books ...I am still not sure that large amounts of those books would fit into the "fiction" category on the shelf ...

I respect the office ... I have not always and will not with Obama ... respect the man in the Oval Office ...

1302 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:01:46am

re: #1262 Killgore Trout

Holy shit! I know Charles doesn't like it when we link to Gates of Vienna but I'm going to do it anyways...
The Fjordman FundNotice the symbol next to Fjordy's book? I'm pretty sure that's an Odin's cross.


No that's a traditional celtic cross, they are trying to yank your chain and get a rise out of us.
Note that the ends are wider than where they intersect with the base, and the ends pass beyond the circle, it's also "illuminated" with traditional flourishes and on a plate.

1303 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:03:03am

re: #1302 Thanos

No that's a traditional celtic cross, they are trying to yank your chain and get a rise out of us.
Note that the ends are wider than where they intersect with the base, and the ends pass beyond the circle, it's also "illuminated" with traditional flourishes and on a plate.

I agree, they're deliberately trying to provoke with that. Morons.

1304 badbear  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:04:00am

re: #1288 Iron Fist

Yeah, I agree with you. I actually like Vlad in a general kind of way. He was a hard man for hard times. He did things that were, from a 21st Century perspective, morally wrong, reprehensible really. But that was what it took to rule in that time and place. If he had tried to fight the Ottomans by Marquis of Queensburt rules, they would have buried him under heaping piles of dead bodies.

The Khan is another such case. He was brutally ruthless in war, ever expanding his empire by the sword, but he also was very (for want of a better word) progressive for his time. Freedom of religion, for example, was enjoyed in the Mongol Empire. That was not the case for most of the rest of the World.

Good job sticking up for Genghis Khan. We need to be a bit circumspect about calling historical figures "evil". There is a huge "says who" component there.

1305 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:04:28am

re: #1303 Charles

There's nothing unusual about the other books besides Fjordman's on the shelf, any military historian migth have those sames ones (I have two of them.)

1306 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:28:06am

re: #1301 JacksonTn

Are you saying you are here at this blog to try to "bring us all together" like in the "Yes, We Can" thing ...if so, is this your personal mission or were you sent by someone ...

...

Excellent question, and no I was not sent by anyone. I know I'll get more then a few snickers, but I was inspired to come.
One of the things that made sense to me was a chapter in Obama book that talked about today's politics. He talks about the GOP being in charge of the legislature in Ill. and blocking ever Dem bill, then the Dems came in and it was pay back time, doing the same thing. Cross over to the other side to vote your conscience and your party will punish you.
Nothing will ever get done unless we break the cycle and I only have the slightest hope it will happen this time. A lot of what I see here is " I hope he fails" after the way Bush was treated type comments. Off we go for 4-8 years, and then repeat.

1307 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:36:37am

re: #1306 avanti

Excellent question, and no I was not sent by anyone. I know I'll get more then a few snickers, but I was inspired to come.
One of the things that made sense to me was a chapter in Obama book that talked about today's politics. He talks about the GOP being in charge of the legislature in Ill. and blocking ever Dem bill, then the Dems came in and it was pay back time, doing the same thing. Cross over to the other side to vote your conscience and your party will punish you.
Nothing will ever get done unless we break the cycle and I only have the slightest hope it will happen this time. A lot of what I see here is " I hope he fails" after the way Bush was treated type comments. Off we go for 4-8 years, and then repeat.

While I respect your right to vote for any candidate for any office ...the "Change" part of the Obama ...in my opinion ...has been shown not to be so much "change" ...since almost his entire cabinet is filled with Clinton people ...

My family were democrats for three generations ...this was the first year we ever voted republican ...actually the only good thing that came out out of this election for me was that the blinders were taken off of me and I was able to see the majority of democrats (Dean, Pelosi, Reid and yes ...Clintons) for what they really are ...and they made it very clear that they did not want or need any of the "old" democrats that lean more to the right ...

So I say to Obama and Clinton ...you are not about change ...you are more of the same ...I "Hope" to be proven wrong ...but so far ...not so much ...

Good Luck in your "bringing us all together" ... I guess in a perfect world that would happen ...and I "Hope" your expectations come true for you in regards to Obama ...

I support our country and the office of president ...I will always be suspect of Obama and how he got not only the nomination from the democrats but to the office of president ...

My main concern for our country now is how he will keep us safe from harm both from those that want to bomb and kill us and those who will allow sharia to creep into our country ...

1308 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:49:53am

re: #1298 Honorary Yooper

That is interesting...

Another example of this confusion is the idea that Clausewitz was a proponent of total war as used in the Third Reich's propaganda in the 1940s. He did not coin the phrase as an ideological ideal—indeed, Clausewitz does not use the term "total war" at all. Rather, he discussed "absolute war" or "ideal war" as the purely logical result of the forces underlying a "pure," Platonic "ideal" of war.
1309 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:56:27am

re: #1307 JacksonTn

Thanks for at least sharing some hope. If Obama just conned me having having hope for change and we get none, I'll have perhaps voted wrong and not for the first time.
As to the cabinet picks, I feel it's better to pick experienced people from a previous administration then to bring in folks just based on their political support or friendship.

1310 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:57:05am

Also: If you google Stormfront Fjordman the 1st result takes you to a Stormfornt thread advertising Fjordy's new book.

1311 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:07:53pm

re: #1309 avanti

Thanks for at least sharing some hope. If Obama just conned me having having hope for change and we get none, I'll have perhaps voted wrong and not for the first time.
As to the cabinet picks, I feel it's better to pick experienced people from a previous administration then to bring in folks just based on their political support or friendship.

One last thing and then I will end our conversation ...

If you think that he appointed the majority of his cabinet for any other reason than their previous "political support" then ... yes, you have swallowed the whole "Hope and Change" thing in a HUGE way ...Good Luck in your efforts ...and I mean that no joking ...

1312 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 1:41:25pm

re: #1298 Honorary Yooper

One struck me as very interesting on his bookshelf.
Carl vonClausewitz, On War.
I'd also like to know what the heck Plop is.

On War is sitting on my bookshelf.


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Yeah, I tell them to change the channel if they see some guy in a brown suit with a telephone number at the bottom of the screen asking for money. -- on being asked by Tipper Gore if there was anything on the TV he _didn't_ allow his kids to watch ...