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Gay Activists Mad About Warren

US News | Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:00:51 pm PST

Barack Obama picked evangelical minister Rick Warren for the invocation at his inauguration, and gay activists are furious.

Barack Obama’s choice of a prominent evangelical minister to perform the invocation at his inauguration is a conciliatory gesture toward social conservatives who opposed him in November, but it is drawing fierce challenges from a gay rights movement that – in the wake of a gay marriage ban in California – is looking for a fight.

Rick Warren, the senior pastor of Saddleback Church in southern California, opposes abortion rights but has taken more liberal stances on the government role in fighting poverty, and backed away from other evangelicals’ staunch support for economic conservatism. But it’s his support for the California constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage that drew the most heated criticism from Democrats Wednesday.

“Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans,” the president of Human Rights Campaign, Joe Solomonese, wrote Obama Wednesday. “[W]e feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination.”

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1 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:02:17pm
2 Bobibutu  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:02:37pm

Mine is not to wonder why ...

3 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:02:43pm

blowback?...poor BO just cant please anyone...except RINOs

4 Victory Gin For All  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:02:46pm

I feel better already

5 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:03:40pm

Gay activists, you are a minority, get used to it.

6 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:04:06pm
7 capitalist piglet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:04:44pm

Hard to imagine what pastor would be acceptable to the gay community that wouldn't alienate many more millions of people.

Some days it feels like everything in America is a political war.

8 rightymouse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:04:57pm

I'm waiting for my gay friend to reply to my email about this. I suspect it's going to be a very interesting and convoluted reply since he voted for 'O'.

9 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:04:57pm

Change!

(or is it waffle? ... I forget)

10 HelloDare  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:04:59pm

They are pink with anger.

11 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:05:51pm

the fact that obama is mostly pissing off the far left actually DOES say something good about him.

12 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:05:56pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

In other news, delicious LGBT sandwiches (lettuce, guacamole, bacon and tomato) will be served at the post-inaugural buffet.


In even more news, all guests will be asked to remove their shoes at the door to ensure there are no embarrassing incidents.

13 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:06:05pm

Heads are exploding at dailyidiots ...I love it...

14 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:06:52pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

In other news, delicious LGBT sandwiches (lettuce, guacamole, bacon and tomato) will be served at the post-inaugural buffet.

Just remember that the LGBT social scheduled for later is adults only.

15 rightymouse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:07:17pm

Let's see. The Code Pinko anti-war types aren't happy and gays are likely mad now. Too late. Election's over.

16 Pigtown Water Dog  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:08:10pm

Well, he's showing some kind of sense--I dreaded that he would pick the "Gol-durn Amurika" fool.

17 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:08:43pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

In other news, delicious LGBT sandwiches (lettuce, guacamole, bacon and tomato) will be served at the post-inaugural buffet.

doesn't sound hallal to me

18 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:08:50pm

re: #11 _RememberTonyC

the fact that obama is mostly pissing off the far left actually DOES say something good about him.

there is nothing good about BO...he's a slug and I for one will not give him any benefit of the doubt...I know you jest

19 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:09:46pm

It would have been hilarious if Rick Warren had declined, saying that he believed that the office of president was above Obama's "pay grade."

20 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:09:56pm
21 rightymouse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:10:47pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

In other news, delicious LGBT sandwiches (lettuce, guacamole, bacon and tomato) will be served at the post-inaugural buffet.

And if you substitute 'bacon' for 'bat', it should be halal, right?

22 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:10:59pm

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

There will be a halal table, a kosher table, and a treif table.

no Beef-o-Roni table?....pfffft

23 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:11:02pm

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

There will be a halal table, a kosher table, and a treif table.

Not to mention a haram romper room...

24 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:11:38pm

In order to placate the gays, Barney Frank still has time to to become a minister in the Universal Life Church. They even have free online ordination!

25 stevieray  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:11:41pm

I'm still wondering where the LGBT community got the idea Obama was their friend in the first place.

I guess they believed his lack of support was only a ruse to get votes... he'd surely reveal his true nature after the election.

Oops!

26 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:13:01pm

It's positively creepy...it's almost like Obama was a stealth centrist, who now feels okay with lowering his shields...

27 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:13:13pm

Warren's been friendly with Obama for a couple of years. I can't be the only one who remembers a bunch of pro-lifers who got POed at Warren for inviting Obama to a big AIDS event he had at Saddleback a few years ago.

28 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:13:50pm

His choice is probably more about pandering to evangelicals and hiring a high profile than anything else.

29 desertdweller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:14:05pm

Woo-woo!

30 So?  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:14:07pm

I have nothing against gays but...
...it seems as if they are in charge of the nation's agenda. Why?

31 monkeytime  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:14:33pm

re: #24 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

In order to placate the gays, Barney Frank still has time to to become a minister in the Universal Life Church. They even have free online ordination!

No shit? Be right back and when I come back you must all refer to me as Most Reverant Monketime.

32 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:14:35pm

re: #26 Salamantis

It's positively creepy...it's almost like Obama was a stealth centrist, who now feels okay with lowering his shields...

Yeah, that's why he's been close friends with Wright and Ayers for so long.

Unfortunately, he's no centrist, stealth or otherwise.

33 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:14:49pm

What were the results of the "Call in GAY to work" day?

34 stevieray  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:14:51pm

re: #26 Salamantis

It's positively creepy...it's almost like Obama was a stealth centrist, who now feels okay with lowering his shields...

Wouldn't that be sweet!

35 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:14:59pm
36 Thanos  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:15:04pm

So at some point in the future (say the runup to elections 2012) does the Pastor or the Gay activists go under the bus?

37 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:15:17pm

14 minutes until vacation.

38 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:15:36pm

re: #23 Salamantis

Not to mention a haram romper room...

Barney Fwank is invited?

39 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:15:39pm

“Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans...”

Now that's good writing.

40 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:15:40pm

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

Lots of people think that, but it's a phallusy.

Is that pronounced "faloozy"?

41 DEZes  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:15:45pm

Maybe they are really pissed that he didn't ask the Reverend Wright.
/S

42 monkeytime  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:16:02pm

re: #30 So?

I have nothing against gays but...
...it seems as if they are in charge of the nation's agenda. Why?

No, just the fringe loonies that every group seems to have. There are tons of gays that you never hear from because they just live quietly.

43 tgibson1962  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:16:04pm

re: #33 bellamags

I think the people who participated just got more and more behind.

44 talon_262  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:16:05pm

Yet another sweet taste of schadenfreude reading about another special interest group (in this case, gay activists) finding out that Dear Leader used them and tossed them aside after the election...

45 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:16:09pm

OMG a special interest group gets dissed!

THE HORROR!

Is there anyone who could do the invocation where some group wouldn't be consider it a "genuine blow?"


interesting choice of words

46 So?  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:16:23pm

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

Lots of people think that, but it's a phallusy.

Now I understand.

47 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:16:40pm

re: #45 jcm

OMG a special interest group gets dissed!

THE HORROR!

Is there anyone who could do the invocation where some group wouldn't be consider it a "genuine blow?"


interesting choice of words

sweet.

48 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:17:13pm

re: #33 bellamags

What were the results of the "Call in GAY to work" day?

Basic flaw: most of the cause-flinging leftists had no work to call.

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:17:17pm

re: #5 A Kiwi Infidel

Gay activists, you are a minority, get used to it.

True. They also need to realize that pretty much any mainstream pastor, priest, or imam is not going to be pro-gay rights. No matter who Obama picked this would have been an issue.

50 stevieray  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:17:17pm

re: #33 bellamags

What were the results of the "Call in GAY to work" day?

I heard it described as "soft" and "underwhelming".

51 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:17:30pm

re: #32 funky chicken

Unfortunately, he's no centrist, stealth or otherwise.

Only thing he knows anything about is organizing a community of the down & outs.

/Not sure I'm gonna be able to draw an sober breath for the next four

52 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:17:53pm

re: #39 Taqiyyotomist

“Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans...”

Now that's good writing.

They can take a licking or two.

53 HelloDare  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:17:55pm

Warren should say a prayer for the babies in Illinois who died because of Obama's vote on on the Born Alive Infants Protection Act.

As it turns out - and as even Mr. Obama's campaign admitted Monday to the New York Sun - the National Right to Life Committee wasn't lying; Mr. Obama was. The specific difference cited by Mr. Obama in the CBN interview was that the Illinois bill didn't contain the federal legislation's language explicitly stating that it would not "undermine Roe vs. Wade." (This was not merely off-the-cuff, as the campaign had issued a written statement to CNN in June offering the same rationale.) Not only did the bill contain the exact provision from the federal bill, but Mr. Obama voted in favor of adding it as an amendment. After the state bill was changed to be almost identical to the unanimously passed federal law, Mr. Obama voted against it.

54 talon_262  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:18:23pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

True. They also need to realize that pretty much any mainstream pastor, priest, or imam is not going to be pro-gay rights. No matter who Obama picked this would have been an issue.

It is more delicious that Dear Leader asked Rick Warren to do it though...

55 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:18:40pm

Dec 2006

[Link: www.time.com...]

Some time ago, Rick Warren, megapastor of the Saddleback Church in Orange County and author of the mega-seller The Purpose-Driven Life, along with his wife Kay, invited Democratic Sen. Barack Obama to speak today at the second annual AIDS conference at Warren's church. Other politicians were to participate, notably Sen. Sam Brownback, a born-again Christian turned conservative Catholic who, like Obama, may have presidential ambitions. But while Brownback was to speak to his natural constituency, Obama's participation is a divisive issue for one overriding reason: he is pro-choice.

That Warren should lend him a lectern has infuriated the pro-life activists and general hard-liners on the religious right. Conservative talk radio host Kevin McCullough wrote on his blog, "Why would Warren marry the moral equivalency of his pulpit — a sacred piece of honor in evangelical traditions — to the inhumane, sick and sinister evil that Obama has worked for as a legislator?" An open letter signed by Phyllis Schlafly, head of the conservative Eagle Forum, and 17 other less prominent figures, most from anti-abortion groups, contended "If Senator Obama cannot defend the most helpless citizens in our country, he has nothing to say to the AIDS crisis. You cannot fight one evil while justifying another." The din became sufficiently loud that Saddleback posted a response stressing Warren's disagreement with Obama on abortion but noting that "Obama was invited to share his views on AIDS, not abortion or any other issue."

56 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:18:42pm

re: #52 OldLineTexan

They can take a licking or two.

ChapStick will be available for all attending.

What? It'll be January! People chafe!

57 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:19:16pm

"LGBT Americans"

My God. We are through the looking glass.

58 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:19:21pm

re: #44 talon_262

Yet another sweet taste of schadenfreude reading about another special interest group (in this case, gay activists) finding out that Dear Leader used them and tossed them aside after the election...

What, what? No room left under the bus?

59 the_flying_pig  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:19:25pm

My gay friends hate me for digging Rick Warren. Is that a hate crime?

60 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:19:38pm

re: #33 bellamags

What were the results of the "Call in GAY to work" day?

The offices were all very messy, the curtains and carpet patterns clashed, and the new wallpaper....who picked that?

61 Mardukhai  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:19:55pm

I know Rick Warren. I've met him twice, the second time quite informally while doing business. He's a great, back-slapping businessman and self-promoter. He is also a man of secrets, and not a good neighbor. He's no role model.

62 rightymouse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:20:02pm

re: #50 stevieray

I heard it described as "soft" and "underwhelming".

That was because when they called in to call off work in Los Angeles, nobody was there to answer the phone.

/my bad

63 gringo69  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:20:02pm

Hey! What's all the hubbub? Obama has been tappin all kinds of people!

64 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:20:10pm

re: #60 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The offices were all very messy, the curtains and carpet patterns clashed, and the new wallpaper....who picked that?

Other than that, it was FABULOUS!

65 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:20:28pm

re: #40 bellamags

re: #52 OldLineTexan

Ok, guys. That's enough ;-)

66 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:20:51pm

re: #63 gringo69

Hey! What's all the hubbub? Obama has been tappin all kinds of people!

Ssshh ...Don't tell Michelle ...

67 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:21:01pm

re: #33 bellamags

What were the results of the "Call in GAY to work" day?

NASCAR offices were unaffected.

68 badbear  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:21:05pm

Another special interest group with panties in a wad, and....I can't go on.

69 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:21:06pm

re: #66 JacksonTn

Ssshh ...Don't tell Michelle ...

He said "people."

70 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:21:15pm

re: #60 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The offices were all very messy, the curtains and carpet patterns clashed, and the new wallpaper....who picked that?

Crab people. They taste like crab, but they look like people.

71 winston06  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:21:27pm

Brown Shirt LGBTers should go away!

72 Mardukhai  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:21:40pm

Now if he were to tap a Chabad rabbi, that would be very interesting...

73 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:21:54pm

re: #67 Silhouette

NASCAR offices were unaffected.

Construction sites remained fully manned I am sure.

74 pjaicomo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:22:00pm

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves because this pisses off gay people. Rick Warren is an embarassment:

Socially Conservative
Fiscally Liberal

Worst of two worlds IMO.

Also, purpose driven life? I don't need a god to have a purpose. In fact, I don't have a god and I do have a purpose.

75 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:22:02pm

Someone would bitch no matter who was picked, they always do.

76 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #47 bellamags

sweet.

Hi bella.

77 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:22:28pm

re: #76 NYCHardhat

Hi bella.

Hey there sweetie.

78 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:22:46pm

Recipe for the Obama Under-the-Bus-Tossed Salad:

Begin with a base of Jeremiah leaves. Add a few sprigs of Bill Dill and a cup of Tony Croutons. Garnish with assorted relatives, sprinkle with anti-war agitators, then season with a liberal LGBT drizzle.

79 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:22:57pm

re: #77 bellamags

Hey there sweetie.

How was your day?

80 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:23:07pm

re: #73 bellamags

Construction sites remained fully manned I am sure.

Oh yeah? Well who was in the Village People, smartycat?

81 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:24:03pm

re: #80 OldLineTexan

Oh yeah? Well who was in the Village People, smartycat?

yeesh, at the YMCA of course.

duh

82 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:24:15pm

re: #79 NYCHardhat

It was very good. Did real good at the shop. Made lots of money. Had a few new customers and no issues. The only thing is I have been here since 9am and I am kinda tired and I need a foot rub.

83 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:24:52pm

re: #80 OldLineTexan

Oh yeah? Well who was in the Village People, smartycat?

Dude. There was only ONE construction worker and I believe he worked for the DOT.

84 stevieray  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:24:58pm

re: #80 OldLineTexan

Oh yeah? Well who was in the Village People, smartycat?

They weren't gay, they were just very, very friendly!

85 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:25:44pm

Your soul is an appalling dung heap overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable rubbish imaginable, mangled up in

tangled up knotsssssss.

86 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:25:52pm

re: #82 bellamags

It was very good. Did real good at the shop. Made lots of money. Had a few new customers and no issues. The only thing is I have been here since 9am and I am kinda tired and I need a foot rub.

You're baiting me.

87 capitalist piglet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:25:59pm

Don't look now, but Ms. Snoop On JtP has, ummmm...resigned.

[Link: hotair.com...]

88 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:26:01pm

I wonder if gays who worked at businesses that catered to gays called in gay.

/On that day.

89 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:26:23pm

re: #84 stevieray

They weren't gay, they were just very, very friendly!

And STRONG, too. I stopped by the Y for a workout, and I saw the Indian Chief benchpressing Construction Guy in the locker room!

90 Abu Lahab  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:26:40pm

LGBT rights by region
American LGBT: You really have no idea how lucky and privileged you are to be living in the free country you are in. Stop whining about everything for God's sake.

91 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:26:45pm

re: #81 jcm

yeesh, at the YMCA of course.

duh

I stayed at a YMCA once ... (ONCE!)
I'll never ever do that again.

/I should have twisted that asshole's arm out of its socket

92 The Shadow Do  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:27:16pm

Just the latest evidence of what's stylistically ahead for the next four years - or so. It is all political calculus. When he gets enough chips on his side of the table, then, and only then, you will see him go all in for the big lib 'reforms' you just know are coming.

93 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:27:30pm

re: #86 NYCHardhat

You're baiting me.

Who ME?

94 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:27:59pm

Warren boosting Obama:

Obama and Brownback to Speak at Rick Warren AIDS Conference
The New York Times reports that Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Sam Brownback (R-KS) will speak at mega-church pastor Rick Warren's 2006 summit on AIDS and the church on Friday, December 1. A copy of the conference schedule is here.

The NYT asks: "Is [this] a step toward active support for Mr. Obama [by Rick Warren]?" I certainly don't have an answer to that question, but it did remind me of a pitch Warren made before the last presidential election. I don't believe Rick Warren ever explicitly endorsed George W. Bush, but he communicated his support for Bush nonetheless. Warren did so by arguing that there were "five non-negotiable issues" in the campaign. Here's an excerpt from Warren's pre-2004-election pitch to fellow Christians:

Obama boosting Warren:

In his first speech on the intersection of faith and politics as a presidential contender, Obama discussed how religion should inspire people across the Christian spectrum to unite in helping to eradicate social problems rather than divide them.

“I’m hopeful because I think there’s an awakening taking place in America,” said Obama on Saturday at the United Church of Christ’s 50th anniversary convention. “People are coming together around a simple truth – that we are all connected, that I am my brother’s keeper; I am my sister’s keeper.”

During his speech to a crowd of nearly 10,000 people, the senator, a member of Trinity UCC in Chicago, criticized division within the Church, but praised Christian leaders and groups that have worked together to remedy social problems.

“That’s why pastors, friends of mine like Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes and organizations like World Vision and Catholic Charities are wielding their enormous influence to confront poverty, HIV/AIDS, and the genocide in Darfur,” Obama said.

[Link: www.christianpost.com...]

95 stevieray  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:28:15pm

re: #85 Silhouette

Your soul is an appalling dung heap overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable rubbish imaginable, mangled up in

tangled up knotsssssss.

Is the Grinch on TV now?

96 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:28:53pm

re: #89 OldLineTexan

And STRONG, too. I stopped by the Y for a workout, and I saw the Indian Chief benchpressing Construction Guy in the locker room!

I've heard it called many things, but "benchpressing" is a new one.

97 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:28:59pm

re: #91 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I stayed at a YMCA once ... (ONCE!)
I'll never ever do that again.

/I should have twisted that asshole's arm out of its socket

Oh! I forgot you were In the Navy!

*applies for the witness protection program*

98 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:29:04pm

re: #94 funky chicken

I am my brother’s keeper; I am my sister’s keeper.”

To each, according to his needs.

99 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:29:18pm

LGBT. They forgot Q and F. ("Questioning" and "Furry") And what about that subcategory of people whose primary self-identity is a descriptor of what perversion of normalcy they worship, the BDSMs? What about them, huh? Give it a decade, these people will have a 15-letter acronym for their hyphenated-American self-identities. Sheep. Shoes. Diapers. Whatever the hell isn't normal, they want us all to pretend that it is. Through the looking glass.

100 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:29:21pm

re: #93 bellamags

Who ME?

Yeah you! You know I'm going to get us a glass of wine and rub your feet.

101 runrabbitrun  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:29:28pm

Like all Dems, the zerO counted the number of his social conservative voters (his African American base), vs the progressive activist secularist voters (his Koskidz/moonbat base) , and reshaped his image to pander to the majority. That's how he won first the primary and then the election, and it's how Dems make policy decisions most of the time, anyhow.

102 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:29:43pm

re: #95 stevieray

Is the Grinch on TV now?

Yep.

The Grinch is saving the sled from falling off Mount Crumpet right now.

Ahhhh, his heart just grew!

103 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:30:26pm

re: #100 NYCHardhat

Yeah you! You know I'm going to get us a glass of wine and rub your feet.

wow. that sounds great. red or white?

104 rightymouse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:30:36pm

I have always warned my gay friends against politicizing sexual orientation. It's just a very bad idea.

105 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:30:39pm

re: #103 bellamags

wow. that sounds great. red or white?

red

106 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:30:49pm
107 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:30:52pm

They'd prefer an Imam.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:30:59pm

re: #30 So?

I have nothing against gays but...
...it seems as if they are in charge of the nation's agenda. Why?

How so? If they were in charge of the nation's agenda, presumably Rev. Warren would not have this gig. Just because people are voicing their opinion doesn't mean they control anything.

109 RondinellaMamma  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:31:01pm

Once upon a time, many religious leaders took their beliefs seriously and courageously lived accordingly, regardless of the current political atmosphere, standing up to corrupt rulers and exposing them for what they truly stood for/were.

I guess that was before photo-ops were invented.


sigh.

110 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:31:08pm

Coming from someone that fears many on the religious right, I was impressed with Rick Warren. I don't think he's homophobic, just following his faith. Again, a middle of the road choice that may tick off the fringes, but I kinda like the guy, and I am only in church for friends weddings. Unless BO, picked a gay in drag, he'd be unlikely to please the nut jobs in the gay community.

111 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:31:47pm

Tough act to follow.

112 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:32:02pm

re: #105 NYCHardhat

red

nice. red goes good with a foot rub. I like sweet, not too dry.

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:32:21pm

re: #97 jcm

Oh! I forgot you were In the Navy!

*applies for the wit-n-less protection program*

(preview is your friend)

/heh ... what a FABULOUS big GUN ! ... double-heh

114 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:32:40pm

re: #112 bellamags

nice. red goes good with a foot rub. I like sweet, not too dry.

good to know. ;)

115 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:32:51pm

re: #110 avanti

Coming from someone that fears many on the religious right, I was impressed with Rick Warren. I don't think he's homophobic, just following his faith. Again, a middle of the road choice that may tick off the fringes, but I kinda like the guy, and I am only in church for friends weddings. Unless BO, picked a gay in drag, he'd be unlikely to please the nut jobs in the gay community.

You didn't.

You did.

Oh, my.

Oh my my my my my.

116 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:33:29pm

Oh no, he has thrown Rev. Wright under the bus a second time! How can he ignore his SPIRITUAL mentor? Wright was the man who showed him the LIGHT. Plus he got him his following in Chicago. He turned Obama into a "man about town" not just a community service organizer. He made him into a man of the "community". My, my what an insult!

/

117 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:33:32pm

Most of the big socializing stuff has already happened or is sure to soon (banks, mortgage industry, soon the auto industry, with the big credit card companies to follow...). After the socialization of medicine is completed - as it will be - what big moves are left? Socialized dental and optical? Subsidized college tuition? Mere drops in the bucket, compared to the recent deluge.

118 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:33:44pm

re: #114 NYCHardhat

I am going to go home and I will be back online in about 30 min. Will you be online then?

119 odrady  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:33:58pm

Heh, he said "blow"

120 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:34:02pm

I guess this means 0bama hasn't found an acceptable church in DC yet.

121 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:34:03pm

OT: It's half time of the Celtics game..sorry
So I went out with my dog a little while ago to do his business.
( I'm a new dog owner)
We slide across the desk in below freezing temps on ice and get to the back yard..
I'm saying to him 'ok do your thing' And he is looking at me in the biting cold wind saying with his eyes..'Are you F*cking out of your mind?'
Come on Winston go poopy.. I go inside and shut the door and take off 10 layers of clothes and I hear baby Cujo banging his head against the door and crying for mercy.
I let him in and he runs like a mad dog to my den and takes a steamy dump.
I'm guessing this bred has never taken to Indiana.

122 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:34:21pm

re: #118 bellamags

I am going to go home and I will be back online in about 30 min. Will you be online then?

hope so. *kiss*

123 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:34:49pm
124 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:34:51pm

re: #118 bellamags

I am going to go home and I will be back online in about 30 min. Will you be online then?

You two making an announcement soon?

125 Zombie_Killian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:35:22pm

You have to wonder what the Rev Wrong Wright's opinion of the LGBT community is.

126 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:35:25pm

re: #113 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(preview is your friend)

/heh ... what a FABULOUS big GUN ! ... double-heh

LOL!

Something I never noticed before. Not a Village People fan or music video fan.

In YMCA at 2:35 check the name of the club in the background.

127 bellamags  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:35:33pm

re: #122 NYCHardhat

hope so. *kiss*

*kiss*

128 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:37:22pm

Smart. Obama is moving right, consistent with the opinion of a majority of the black community on gay and lesbian issues. It'll be interesting to see if he stays there.

129 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:38:37pm

re: #128 quickjustice

Smart. Obama is moving right, consistent with the opinion of a majority of the black community on gay and lesbian issues. It'll be interesting to see if he stays there.

And Hispanic.

130 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:38:59pm

re: #124 CapeCoddah

You two making an announcement soon?

I wonder?

131 stevieray  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:39:00pm

I think we're gonna see alot of these kind of shocked reactions over the next four years.

The dreaded Tabla Rasa strikes again!

132 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:39:01pm

This is par for the course for a beta-male appeaser. But just wait until he starts signing executive orders on behalf of the abortion industry.

133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:39:18pm
134 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:39:36pm

Rep. Eshoo to push for Fairness Doctrine

Eshoo said she would recommend the doctrine be applied not only to radio and TV broadcasts, but also to cable and satellite services.

How long before internet is added to the list?

135 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:39:47pm

re: #133 ploome hineni

cool

:D

/are we all invited?

I'm usually good for a gravy boat or a place setting.

136 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:40:03pm

re: #133 ploome hineni

cool

:D

/are we all invited?

Shit yeah.

137 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:40:14pm
138 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:40:32pm

re: #126 jcm

LOL!

Something I never noticed before. Not a Village People fan or music video fan.

In YMCA at 2:35 check the name of the club in the background.

Cute! FABULOUS!

(Just want you to know that I went back and watched that crap for YOU! ... *guilt-tripping a friend* ... heh)

139 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:40:45pm

re: #130 NYCHardhat

I wonder?

Limos are on me, but you gotta come here for the festivities!

140 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:41:04pm

re: #138 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cute! FABULOUS!

(Just want you to know that I went back and watched that crap for YOU! ... *guilt-tripping a friend* ... heh)

LOL!

I had rewind to see if what I thought I saw was what I saw.

141 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:41:07pm

re: #136 NYCHardhat

Shit yeah.

I'll bring my accordion. Maybe Rawmuse could but a band together?

142 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:41:19pm

re: #137 ploome hineni

I do toaster

:D

Crock pot.

143 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:41:22pm

re: #134 jcm

Rep. Eshoo to push for Fairness Doctrine

How long before internet is added to the list?

I heard her on tv some time ago and she is batsh*t crazy ...she wants to shut talk radio down ...well, I am sure she will make an exception for Ed Schultz (vomit) and Randi Rhoades (vomit again) ....

144 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:41:29pm
145 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:41:38pm

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

I'll bring my accordion. Maybe Rawmuse could but a band together?

Think Charles can do the ceremony?

146 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:41:43pm

re: #139 CapeCoddah

Limos are on me, but you gotta come here for the festivities!

An LGF party. I'm so there.

147 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:42:01pm

re: #137 ploome hineni

I do toaster

:D

shhhhh. I have 6 fondues I need to regift...

148 rightymouse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:42:04pm

re: #135 Silhouette

I'm usually good for a gravy boat or a place setting.

And I'm good for cheese thingies.

149 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:42:19pm

more evidence that he is not a real leader.
at least not in the direction he promised his ardent followers.
he is thinking of himself here. what is best for the O.
he uses people to get himself positioned.
he is a deceitful grifter.
this choice of rick warren is to play to the rest of us.
i do not trust the O.

150 BigMoo  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:42:23pm

To hell them, they've already hijacked the word 'Gay', now they want to bastardize the word 'marriage. Pick a new word you over-indulged, spoiled little crybabies...'marriage' is already TAKEN.

151 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:42:25pm

re: #142 OldLineTexan

Crock pot.

BBQ Ribs.....

152 Zombie_Killian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:42:42pm

re: #143 JacksonTn

Nothing like subsidizing agitprop that's proven time and again it cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas.

153 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:42:43pm

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

I'll bring my accordion. Maybe Rawmuse could but a band together?

My uncle has an old barn.

And my neighbor knows how to sew.

/mickey rooney

154 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:09pm

re: #125 Zombie_Killian

I'm pretty sure Revered Wright is anti-gay too.

155 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:12pm

re: #130 NYCHardhat

I wonder?

I think there are a few lawyer lizards who could do a pre-nup ...

156 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:33pm

re: #140 jcm

LOL!

I had rewind to see if what I thought I saw was what I saw.

I betcha that was deliberately staged.

157 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:42pm

re: #151 jcm

BBQ Ribs.....

Those are nice, but as a wedding gift?

/

158 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:46pm

re: #128 quickjustice

Nope.

Warren boosting Obama:

Obama and Brownback to Speak at Rick Warren AIDS Conference
The New York Times reports that Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Sam Brownback (R-KS) will speak at mega-church pastor Rick Warren's 2006 summit on AIDS and the church on Friday, December 1. A copy of the conference schedule is here.

The NYT asks: "Is [this] a step toward active support for Mr. Obama [by Rick Warren]?" I certainly don't have an answer to that question, but it did remind me of a pitch Warren made before the last presidential election. I don't believe Rick Warren ever explicitly endorsed George W. Bush, but he communicated his support for Bush nonetheless. Warren did so by arguing that there were "five non-negotiable issues" in the campaign. Here's an excerpt from Warren's pre-2004-election pitch to fellow Christians:


Obama boosting Warren:

In his first speech on the intersection of faith and politics as a presidential contender, Obama discussed how religion should inspire people across the Christian spectrum to unite in helping to eradicate social problems rather than divide them.

“I’m hopeful because I think there’s an awakening taking place in America,” said Obama on Saturday at the United Church of Christ’s 50th anniversary convention. “People are coming together around a simple truth – that we are all connected, that I am my brother’s keeper; I am my sister’s keeper.”

During his speech to a crowd of nearly 10,000 people, the senator, a member of Trinity UCC in Chicago, criticized division within the Church, but praised Christian leaders and groups that have worked together to remedy social problems.

“That’s why pastors, friends of mine like Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes and organizations like World Vision and Catholic Charities are wielding their enormous influence to confront poverty, HIV/AIDS, and the genocide in Darfur,” Obama said.


[Link: [Link: www.christianpost.com...]...]

typical behavoir for both men, and just a continuation of their friendship

159 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:49pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure Revered Wright is anti-gay too.

But only the white American gays. ;-)

160 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:52pm

re: #13 JacksonTn

Heads are exploding at dailyidiots ...I love it...

Let's see what Markos had to say:

Let the people see what invocation is like. This isn't an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Obama's folly.

That said, I feel everything over the selection of Warren. He isn't going to Washington because of orders, or because he is there trying to help Obama make Washington a better place. He is there to say prayers for profit. Screw him.

/

Heh.

161 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:43:54pm
162 neapoi  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:44:09pm

Well, I for one am not surprised by this. Anybody who looked at Obama, or any other political figure, and thought that they were anything OTHER than a two-faced backstabber is kidding themselves.

163 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:44:11pm

re: #134 jcm

Rep. Eshoo to push for Fairness Doctrine

How long before internet is added to the list?

Rep. Eshoo from Palo Alto...no surprise there. People can't even smoke in their own houses! I'm sure she and her cohorts would prefer NO individual
rights at all.

164 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:44:31pm

Atlantic headline:
Gay Group Calls Obama Invocation Pick A "Genuine Dirty Sanchez"

I mean...Gay Group Calls Obama Invocation Pick A "Genuine Blow"

[Link: marcambinder.theatlantic.com...]

165 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:44:44pm

re: #157 OldLineTexan

Those are nice, but as a wedding gift?

/

Hell, yeah, they'll be hungry!

Missed the first post. :-?

166 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:44:53pm

re: #145 CapeCoddah

Think Charles can do the ceremony?

The Captain of the Ship.
Sure.

167 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:44:56pm

re: #153 Silhouette

My uncle has an old barn.

And my neighbor knows how to sew.

/mickey rooney

Cute... want to make it a double ceremony?

168 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:45:03pm
169 CynicalConservative  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:45:22pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

shhhhh. I have 6 fondues I need to regift...

I'll take one!

170 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:45:40pm

re: #132 DistantThunder

This is par for the course for a beta-male appeaser. But just wait until he starts signing executive orders on behalf of the abortion industry.

What I expect him to do first is to repeal some of Dubya's executive orders; particularly his restriction on federal funding for stem cell research to a small number of already-established lines, the global gag rule barring international family planning groups that receive U.S. aid from counseling women about the availability of abortion, even in countries where the procedure is legal, and the denial to California of the authority to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from automobiles, among others.

171 Zombie_Killian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:45:43pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

So being a so-called man of god who hates whites, Jews and his own county is copasetic, but the line is drawn at being against same-sex marrige?

Imagine the outrage if he had a 'Naw naw naw! Gawd Daim Ellen Degeneres!' sermon.........

172 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:45:46pm

re: #152 Zombie_Killian

Nothing like subsidizing agitprop that's proven time and again it cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas.

ZK ...why you want to go using those 50 cent words ...I had to go look it up ...

Didn't Air America go bankrupt once ...like when wannabe senator Franken was on it ...

173 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:45:48pm

re: #161 ploome hineni

touche'

/wish I thought of that

Why? A toaster is very important.

174 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:46:57pm

re: #171 Zombie_Killian

Imagine the outrage if he had a 'Naw naw naw! Gawd Daim Ellen Degeneres!' sermon.........


I'm sure he's given plenty of anti-gay sermons. Homosexuality is very taboo in the black community.

175 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:47:39pm

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Cute... want to make it a double ceremony?

If I'm committing bigamy, Thomas Sowell has first dibs.

176 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:47:41pm

re: #165 jcm

Hell, yeah, they'll be hungry!

Missed the first post. :-?

I saw a wine-soaked footrub turn into a full-up Lizard nuptial ceremony with a gifting competition.

177 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:48:00pm

We're living in a comedy show, right? This is all staged, right? We're on Candid Camera? Anyone?

178 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:48:09pm
179 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:48:10pm

re: #176 OldLineTexan

I saw a wine-soaked footrub turn into a full-up Lizard nuptial ceremony with a gifting competition.

LMAO!

180 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:48:17pm

Ooops, I stand corrected.....
Obama pastor backs gay rights

181 Zombie_Killian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:48:20pm

re: #164 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Atlantic headline:
Gay Group Calls Obama Invocation Pick A "Genuine Dirty Sanchez"

I mean...Gay Group Calls Obama Invocation Pick A "Genuine Blow"

[Link: marcambinder.theatlantic.com...]

Should we do a drinking game for every possible homoerotic double entendre that comes up in these statements?

1 shot for every time the word 'blow' is used

3 shots every time the phrase 'forced down our throats' is mentioned

182 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:48:31pm

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Cute... want to make it a double ceremony?

LOL.

183 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:48:47pm

re: #3 albusteve

blowback?...poor BO just cant please anyone...except RINOs

DING! He's going to keep pulling that wool until he's sure it's over their eyes.

184 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:49:32pm

gone for the evening
jcm ... *waves goodbye*
Y'awl have a very good night!

185 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:49:38pm

The latest LGBT chant: "Know Warren? No Peace"

186 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:49:38pm

re: #181 Zombie_Killian

Should we do a drinking game for every possible homoerotic double entendre that comes up in these statements?

1 shot for every time the word 'blow' is used

3 shots every time the phrase 'forced down our throats' is mentioned

I just looked up "dirty sanzhez" ....pretty bad slam ...Nasty ...

187 LilyGecko  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:49:41pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

I can't keep up with this guy. Too confusing.

188 NYCHardhat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:49:51pm

re: #184 pre-Boomer Marine brat

gone for the evening
jcm ... *waves goodbye*
Y'awl have a very good night!

later

189 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:50:01pm

#181 Zombie

"forced down our throats"

hahahahaha - that's just awful!

Gay Group Calls Obama Invocation Pick A "Hot Karl"

(I confess, I already dropped that at Ace):)

190 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:50:12pm

re: #186 JacksonTn

I just looked up "dirty sanzhez" ....pretty bad slam ...Nasty ...

PIMF ..."dirty sanchez" ...still nasty ...

191 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:50:24pm

re: #166 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Captain of the Ship.
Sure.

So a couple can get married by the Captain of the Staten Island Ferry! Isn't that romantic!

192 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:50:49pm

re: #184 pre-Boomer Marine brat

gone for the evening
jcm ... *waves goodbye*
Y'awl have a very good night!

G'night!

193 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:51:05pm

re: #186 JacksonTn

I just looked up "dirty sanzhez" ....pretty bad slam ...Nasty ...

I'm afraid to look it up at work, because I don't want to lose a job. And I'm afraid to look it up at home - my kids might walk in.

194 LilyGecko  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:51:21pm

re: #187 LilyGecko

Oh...let me clarify. I meant the pastor, not Trout.

195 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:51:21pm

re: #176 OldLineTexan

I saw a wine-soaked footrub turn into a full-up Lizard nuptial ceremony with a gifting competition.

ROFLMAO, fun, huh, we could start a company, "Lizardoid Events LLC."

196 gmsc  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:51:29pm

re: #191 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

So a couple can get married by the Captain of the Staten Island Ferry! Isn't that romantic!

"Who did you find to marry you as a gay couple?"

"A ferry captain!"

*rimshot*

197 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:51:35pm

re: #189 Eric Cartman's Conscience

#181 Zombie

"forced down our throats"

hahahahaha - that's just awful!

Gay Group Calls Obama Invocation Pick A "Hot Karl"

(I confess, I already dropped that at Ace):)


Two guys channeling Mr. Garrison...

198 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:51:45pm

New LGBT Poll: Half the LGBT say that Obama's Warren choice 'sucks'; the other half say that it 'blows'.

199 rightymouse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:52:23pm

re: #168 taxfreekiller

Maybe since there isn't any money to spend, it's going to be difficult to try and ram a 7 trillion dollar 'New Deal' program down our throats.

/I'm praying someone was thinking ahead on potential socialist catastrophe and it will bite the dust.

200 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:52:48pm

re: #134 jcm

Rep. Eshoo to push for Fairness Doctrine

How long before internet is added to the list?

Not going to happen, no how, no way. BO, knows how many votes that would cost him, besides, he'd rather charm Fox news to his side, O'Reily now, Hannity a long term project.

201 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:53:03pm

re: #198 Salamantis

New LGBT Poll: Half the LGBT say that Obama's Warren choice 'sucks'; the other half say that it 'blows'.

Which percentage said it 'bites'?

202 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:53:37pm

re: #191 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

So a couple can get married by the Captain of the Staten Island Ferry! Isn't that romantic!

Better than a drive-up window in Vegas!

203 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:55:00pm

re: #193 Silhouette

I'm afraid to look it up at work, because I don't want to lose a job. And I'm afraid to look it up at home - my kids might walk in.

I suggest you do not ....

204 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:55:02pm

re: #200 avanti

Not going to happen, no how, no way. BO, knows how many votes that would cost him, besides, he'd rather charm Fox news to his side, O'Reily now, Hannity a long term project.

Reid / Pelosi will push a fairness doctrine through congress, of that I have no doubt.

Question is will Obama stick with his buds on the left or steer to the center to charm Fox?

My money is on a leftward course.

205 nightintheruts  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:55:27pm

I suppose it could be that Warren was the only one that would agree to do it.

I'm still trying to get my head around Eddie Murphy playing the Riddler in the next Batman movie...

206 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:56:23pm

re: #200 avanti

Not going to happen, no how, no way. BO, knows how many votes that would cost him, besides, he'd rather charm Fox news to his side, O'Reily now, Hannity a long term project.

Avanti ... I know from what you said today that you are here on a mission to bring us all together but I would not count on Hannity in this lifetime ...

207 Colonel Panik  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:57:00pm

re: #163 Hobbes

Rep. Eshoo from Palo Alto...no surprise there. People can't even smoke in their own houses! I'm sure she and her cohorts would prefer NO individual
rights at all.

When I lived in Shallow Alto, I used to refer to her as "Congresswoman Sneeze."
Eshoo!
Gesundheit!

208 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:57:59pm

re: #201 gclaghorn

Which percentage said it 'bites'?

I don't think they polled the S&M/B&D/D&S community...

/for the vanillas out there:
Sadism & Masochism
Bondage & Detention
Domination & Submission

And no, I'm not a member of any of them. I do note, however, that they're as symbiotic as are exhibitionists and voyeurs.

209 Victory Gin For All  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:58:51pm

re: #67 Silhouette

NASCAR offices were unaffected.

One of my favorite jokes when I was a USMC instructor teaching Navy weapon systems to joint force personnel:

"You know what they say about submariners? 100 men go down, 50 couples come back up."

For two years I got huge laughs from that joke until a couple of people complained to the school commandant. I was admonished not to do gay jokes anymore.

New version:

"100 politically correct men go down. 100 politically correct men come back up."

That one got scattered guffaws, but mostly blank stares.

God I love a P.C. military.

210 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:25pm

Boy!
These gays keep this up and the new administration might go looking for 3 to 4 story buildings to toss them off of.
It's in keeping with ''the 0ne's'' attitude toward allowing the press to question him, after all.

211 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:35pm

re: #32 funky chicken

Yeah, that's why he's been close friends with Wright and Ayers for so long.

Unfortunately, he's no centrist, stealth or otherwise.

LOL, I'm not saying he is, but some of you would think I'm just as left as O based on some of my friends here. Watch the stealth centrist conspiracy theory start spreading on the Left. I doubt it, but why does "growing in office" have to be one way? Why can't he grow a pair in office?

212 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:43pm
213 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:43pm

What a humourous irony...the majority of the gay friends and associates that
my husband and I have in our immediate circle adamantly supported and voted for Obama. The phone and emails will start up in 4..3...2......
We tried convincing them using our best conservative logic and based on the fact that Obama was THE most liberal "present" voter in the Senate and apt to not follow this liberalism in all his decisions if he won the presidency...... that it was just to stay unopinioned purposefully so to enable him to appeal to the masses and a ploy to capture the office.....
I just didn't think it would be on dissing the gay issue.....

214 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:50pm

re: #207 Colonel Panik

When I lived in Shallow Alto, I used to refer to her as "Congresswoman Sneeze."
Eshoo!
Gesundheit!

LOL...And, I like to refer to our Govenor Blago as Howdy Dowdy!

215 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 5:59:53pm

re: #208 Salamantis

I thought B&D is Bondage & Discipline.
/not that I'm an afficianado, but one hears things in one's travels

216 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:01:16pm

re: #215 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I thought B&D is Bondage & Discipline.
/not that I'm an afficianado, but one hears things in one's travels

I do believe you're right about that...

217 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:02:28pm

re: #209 Victory Gin For All

You know the PC term for a letter carrier?

Person Person.

218 Colonel Panik  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:02:53pm

George Bush had to watch out for shoe throwing guy.

Obama's security team will need to keep an eye out for shoe throwing ghey.

219 Victory Gin For All  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:04:15pm

re: #186 JacksonTn

I just looked up "dirty sanzhez" ....pretty bad slam ...Nasty ...

I think I'm going to throw up. I thought a cornholeo was as bad as it got....uh he he he he.....uh he he he he.

220 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:04:48pm

re: #219 Victory Gin For All

I think I'm going to throw up. I thought a cornholeo was as bad as it got....uh he he he he.....uh he he he he.

You have TP for my bunghole?

/

221 Caboose  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:05:16pm

To hell with the country, it is all about my feelings and my genitals! It's all about my 'nads and who can play with 'em!

/queer activists

(I strongly support gays and their rights as fellow Americans and equals, but they gotta get their more radical fringe to stop making the majority of the mainstream homosexual community look bad. I fully believe that if you are gay you are born that way and have no more choice over it than you skin tone and eye color. It is a genetic condition and not one to be condemned for, since they did not choose to be that way in 99.999% of the cases. MHO as a straight white male with many gay and lesbian friends, YMMV.)

222 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:05:26pm

Going to the new posting....
To anal here.....

223 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:05:49pm

re: #218 Colonel Panik

George Bush had to watch out for shoe throwing guy.

Obama's security team will need to keep an eye out for shoe throwing ghey.

Yeah...those stiletto-heeled f*ck-me pumps can be deadly...

224 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:06:11pm

re: #206 JacksonTn

Avanti ... I know from what you said today that you are here on a mission to bring us all together but I would not count on Hannity in this lifetime ...

I thought you might catch that, not sure if I want Hannity with me anyway, a bit too much of Ayers and Wright for my taste.

225 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:06:32pm

re: #223 Salamantis

Yeah...those stiletto-heeled f*ck-me pumps can be deadly...

Is it getting warm in here?

226 nightintheruts  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:07:15pm

re: #209 Victory Gin For All

ex-Air Force here...

I heard it this way...

"What do Marines and submarines have in common?"

"The Navy goes down on both".

ok, that's not very PC. Don't shoot me please! = )

227 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:08:18pm

Well, at least he is throwing the group a bone ...they will be marching in the parade ...

The Lesbian and Gay Band Association said it received the invitation from the Presidential Inaugural Committee.
“We are extremely pleased to announce that the Lesbian and Gay Band Association will be included as a marching contingent in the Inaugural Parade,” the association said on its Web site. “This is the first time that an LGBT group will be represented in a Presidential Inaugural Parade, truly our chance to make history.”

The association said it will select players from its member groups across the country. There are LGBT bands in 18 states plus the District of Columbia.

Nearly 1,400 bands applied to appear in the parade and fewer than 50 were selected.

[Link: www.365gay.com...]

228 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:09:34pm

re: #34 stevieray

Wouldn't that be sweet!

It's about appeasement and getting people to lower their defenses. It's sociopathic - make no mistake.

229 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:10:06pm

re: #204 jcm

Reid / Pelosi will push a fairness doctrine through congress, of that I have no doubt.

Question is will Obama stick with his buds on the left or steer to the center to charm Fox?

My money is on a leftward course.

OK, looked the the FAQ's from my propaganda sheet for what it's worth and found this:

"Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters." , and believe a jog to the left from that quote would be political suicide.

230 kansas  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:10:08pm

Maybe they should have vetted their fucking candidate. Tough shit assholes.

231 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:11:36pm

re: #221 Caboose

To hell with the country, it is all about my feelings and my genitals! It's all about my 'nads and who can play with 'em!

/queer activists

(I strongly support gays and their rights as fellow Americans and equals, but they gotta get their more radical fringe to stop making the majority of the mainstream homosexual community look bad. I fully believe that if you are gay you are born that way and have no more choice over it than you skin tone and eye color. It is a genetic condition and not one to be condemned for, since they did not choose to be that way in 99.999% of the cases. MHO as a straight white male with many gay and lesbian friends, YMMV.)

We have a friend who works with gays with unwanted same sex attraction. He and his associates help them to develop more rounded and complex views of women and move beyond the stereotypes.

232 Caboose  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:12:29pm

re: #215 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I thought B&D is Bondage & Discipline.
/not that I'm an aficionado, but one hears things in one's travels

Gee, and I thought that it meant Black & Decker... (eying certain tools and appliances around Casa Der Clutch with new-found suspicion...) ;-)

233 kynna  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:12:32pm

If Obama doesn't ditch these social conservatives he's toast. TOAST I tell you!

LOL.

I'm not on board with a lot of Rick Warren's philosophy, but I'm enjoying this. He'll probably get thrown under the bus, but for now I'm just gonna chomp some popcorn.

234 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:12:53pm

re: #229 avanti

OK, looked the the FAQ's from my propaganda sheet for what it's worth and found this:

"Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters." , and believe a jog to the left from that quote would be political suicide.

Obama's a man of his word.

"Could no more disown Rev. Wright."
"Will take public campaign money."
"Ayers a guy from the neighborhood."
etc...

235 DistantThunder  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:14:30pm

re: #234 jcm

Obama's a man of his word.

"Could no more disown Rev. Wright."
"Will take public campaign money."
"Ayers a guy from the neighborhood."
etc...

"I never said that I would meet unconditionally, without preconditions..."

236 scott in east bay  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:15:22pm

I have posted on this site for years. I am a gay man.

Let me assure you all that 90% of gay people do not give a flying fuck what "gay leaders" say about anything.

237 nightintheruts  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:17:25pm

re: #234 jcm

Obama's a man of his word.

"Could no more disown Rev. Wright."
"Will take public campaign money."
"Ayers a guy from the neighborhood."
etc...

I believe National Review stated that every statement made by Obama has an expiration date. Every one.

238 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:17:30pm

“[W]e feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination.”

Hey Joe, you ain't seen nuthin yet. And you aren't going to either. Did Obama ever actually talk about what he might do for gay rights ?

I honestly, don't know, but I suspect not. I suspect this to be one of the first in a long long line of people not getting what they fantasized Obama would do for them.

239 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:17:45pm

re: #227 JacksonTn

Well, at least he is throwing the group a bone ...they will be marching in the parade ...

The Lesbian and Gay Band Association said it received the invitation from the Presidential Inaugural Committee.
“

Well, you scared the crap out of me with that post and had to check out the band. No spandex or the like in sight. ( No horn blower comments please) :
Gay Band

240 Silhouette  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:18:48pm

re: #236 scott in east bay

I have posted on this site for years. I am a gay man.

Let me assure you all that 90% of gay people do not give a flying fuck what "gay leaders" say about anything.

Like the National Organization of (a very small subset of) Women.

241 Iron Fist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:19:06pm

He's not even taken the oath of Office yet, and he's already pissing off the Leftwing kooks. I give him six months before his Administration comes apart from all the contradictory positions he has taken. There's no way that he can please everybody. But he might succeed at pissing off everybody.

242 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:19:28pm

re: #236 scott in east bay

I have posted on this site for years. I am a gay man.

Let me assure you all that 90% of gay people do not give a flying fuck what "gay leaders" say about anything.

Jesse Jackson syndrome. I'm sorry about that.

243 kynna  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:19:39pm

re: #238 cincinnati_kid37

“[W]e feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination.”

Hey Joe, you ain't seen nuthin yet. And you aren't going to either. Did Obama ever actually talk about what he might do for gay rights ?

I honestly, don't know, but I suspect not. I suspect this to be one of the first in a long long line of people not getting what they fantasized Obama would do for them.

Obama's on record saying he doesn't support gay marriage. For religious reasons. Course, abortion 'till birth is okay ...

244 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:23:29pm

re: #239 avanti

Well, maybe not in the first video ...did you see the guy heading the band in the second? ...I don't give a flying flip who is in the parade ...I will not be watching but I am sure there will be some explaining to do to some of the young kids watching ...

245 Iron Fist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:24:04pm

re: #243 kynna

Yeah, Obama's position on gay rights was almost indistinguishable from McCains, especially on the gay marriage issue. I don't think that the Left wing was really listening to him. They bought the unicorns and pixie dust, and assumed that he'd come out lockstep with the far Left once he's safely in the White House.

I can kind of understand that. After all, I believe that he's going to go hard Left myself. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

246 fclass308  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:25:25pm

re: #227 JacksonTn

Why do so many gays feel the need to identify themselves as gay and make an issue of it?
I don't feel the need to identify myself as heterosexual in the normal course of a conversation.

Leave your sexual preferences where they belong....in private.

247 Caboose  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:26:38pm

re: #231 DistantThunder

We have a friend who works with gays with unwanted same sex attraction. He and his associates help them to develop more rounded and complex views of women and move beyond the stereotypes.

I don't doubt that is true, since I know several gay men that have felt the same way, but ultimately embraced their attraction for the same sex and found true happiness. Some of them even married and fathered children (and the kids seem OK, at least the ones that I've met. the kids are all adults, BTW). I am happy for the guys and wish them only the best in their relationships. With some of them, their left-wing politics make me more uncomfortable than their homosexuality ever would, but then it is cool to hang with the right-wing, conservative gay gents as they really do exist!

248 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:27:24pm

re: #243 kynna

Obama's on record saying he doesn't support gay marriage. For religious reasons. Course, abortion 'till birth is okay ...

Thanks. Further supporting the idea that many Obama supporters heard "Change", and "Yes, we can", and that was all she wrote. They filled in the blanks for themselves.

249 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:28:43pm
250 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:29:15pm

re: #169 CynicalConservative

I'll take one!

crockpot-o-roni...I'm in

251 nightintheruts  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:30:16pm

re: #246 fclass308

I think Jackson is the wrong guy to say that to...

252 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:30:25pm

More tactical pandering by Obama. The left is just playing along.

253 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:32:04pm

re: #251 nightintheruts

I think Jackson is the wrong guy to say that to...

This Jackson is not a guy ...

254 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:32:32pm

re: #236 scott in east bay

I have posted on this site for years. I am a gay man.

Let me assure you all that 90% of gay people do not give a flying fuck what "gay leaders" say about anything.

A gay Republican ? I heard rumors that there were a few but never had the pleasure of meeting a one. Maybe the tent is bigger then I gave it credit for. BTW, I gave you a up ding for being in the rational 90%, no disrespect for your lifestyle, but some of your "leaders" are off the chart.

255 Caboose  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:32:52pm

re: #246 fclass308

Why do so many gays feel the need to identify themselves as gay and make an issue of it?
I don't feel the need to identify myself as heterosexual in the normal course of a conversation.

Leave your sexual preferences where they belong....in private.

Agree 1000%! It seems that many gays & lesbians identify themselves by their sexual orientation first, when that should be way down the list as to who they are. Unless I'm trying to find a fling for the night (and if i was, I wouldn't be asking a guy! And being very happily married, I ain't looking nohow!), I really don't care what you do behind closed doors! If we are talking sports or cars or music, what does your sexual preference have to do with it, hmmmm?

256 fclass308  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:33:56pm

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

Good point.

It's just so damned narcissistic.

257 Caboose  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:38:12pm

re: #254 avanti

A gay Republican ? I heard rumors that there were a few but never had the pleasure of meeting a one. Maybe the tent is bigger then I gave it credit for. BTW, I gave you a up ding for being in the rational 90%, no disrespect for your lifestyle, but some of your "leaders" are off the chart.

I know at least two IRL. Fine gents, both very spiritual in our church, they are a devoted couple. I consider them great friends and hope that they can happily grow old together.

258 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:41:15pm

re: #244 JacksonTn

Well, maybe not in the first video ...did you see the guy heading the band in the second? ...I don't give a flying flip who is in the parade ...I will not be watching but I am sure there will be some explaining to do to some of the young kids watching ...

I only looked at the first video, but rest assured I'll ask if the band will reflect the 90% of the gay community and not the fringe 10. No, the chosen one does not answer my e-mails personally, but one of his subjects will.
BTW, it may not get me points now, but I once shared a coke with John McCain when he spoke to my small Navy division back in the early 70's. I'll admit I was impressed with his Vietnam stories. Knock his politics if you like, but the guy went through hell for his country.

259 nanook  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:46:48pm

re: #38 OldLineTexan

Barney Fwank is invited?

Wouldn't that make it a hawam womper woom?

260 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:49:43pm
261 OldLineTexan  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:49:57pm

re: #259 nanook

Wouldn't that make it a hawam womper woom?

Oui!

262 Victory Gin For All  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:51:40pm

re: #226 nightintheruts

I love a good slam. That's what made the military so much fun: slamming the hell out of each other. You took it with a grin and you dished it out with a grin. You had to have thick skin. My call sign was Howdy Doody. Our skipper had that disease that makes your hair follicles die. His call sign was "Skull." One of my shipmates had thumbs that were almost as long as his index fingers. Guess what his nickname was? Yep. "Thumbs."

Nowdays, you either whine to your C.O. or call your congressman, especially if you're one of the aggrieved classes in our society.

This was one of my "ice breakers" for one of my classes. It too got banned. That really pissed me off, because it was so funny and harmless really.

Close order swanning about

263 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:53:53pm

re: #257 Caboose

I know at least two IRL. Fine gents, both very spiritual in our church, they are a devoted couple. I consider them great friends and hope that they can happily grow old together.


My wife has a gay friend, they go to the movies together, a occasional dinner, great guy. (At least I hope he's gay )

264 Victory Gin For All  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:54:52pm

re: #257 Caboose

I know at least two IRL. Fine gents, both very spiritual in our church, they are a devoted couple. I consider them great friends and hope that they can happily grow old together.

My church's worship leader is a black conservative republican. That's pretty rare too.

265 rightside  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 6:56:09pm

*read with a lisp*

They must be throwing such a hissy fit!

266 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:04:16pm

re: #260 taxfreekiller

Understand, Obama has lied to himself now for 20 years or more of the beauty of the commie way, he has self-lied himself into the commie conner, no longer can he escape, painted in he is, should he move away one inch, he knows not himself any longer and will have to deal with great self loathing.
What you see now from these wild eyed gays, is the same he will see himself, they are married by the law of the common lie.

Not surprisingly, I disagree. BO has tons of intellectual curiosity and has read everything from Mao to Mein Kempt, but that makes him neither a Commie or a Nazi. I'll give you that he's had a left of center education, and is liberal, but I don't expect him to govern from as far left as you fear.
Having said that, you never know with any politician.

267 guy_philly  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:07:11pm

'...but it is drawing fierce challenges from a gay rights movement that – in the wake of a gay marriage ban in California – is looking for a fight."

In a response that sounded surprisingly Bush-like, Obama was heard saying,"bring it on!" And then he launched the Obama Doctrine: "You are either with the heteros or you are with the enemy!"

/

268 shifty  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:12:38pm

If it were Ahmadinejad giving the prayer, Dailykos would be praising Obama for his tolerance.

269 formercorpsman  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:01pm

re: #266 avanti

I really don't know how to take your post.

I think for political expediency, he realizes in order to be a successful president, he needs to at least appear to have common ground.

But facts are facts. The guy can only be judged by his actions, inaction, and the company he keeps.

Since coming here, I do suspect you have made yourself familiar with the dearth of investigative information so many here have put their time and effort into.

In particular, Zombie. Prairie Fire.

This guy is probably the most shady character ever to win the presidency of our United States. I am still waiting for someone, in an intellectual fashion, show me just one real accomplishment that supports him in his win.

You are giving him way too much credit, and he is not even sworn in yet.

270 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:27:30pm

re: #268 shifty

If it were Ahmadinejad giving the prayer, Dailykos would be praising Obama for his tolerance.

Just dropped in on KOS, some are having a major hissy fit, but the good news is this post got some up dings.
(No, not my post, I got tired of the place in Nov., but it expresses my feelings) In general, they are not much happier about OB, then most on here.


"but maybe Obama was actually serious about with all that stuff about bringing people together and listening to those with different ideas. Having Warren lead the prayer may not be an endorsement of ideas, but an acknowledgment of them. Obama kept on Gates even though they disagree on some issues because Gates has needed knowledge. It's not like Warren will be bashing homosexuals in his prayer."

271 solomonpanting  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:28:31pm
“Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans,” the president of Human Rights Campaign, Joe Solomonese, wrote Obama Wednesday. “[W]e feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination.”

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

272 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:40:59pm

re: #269 formercorpsman

I really don't know how to take your post.

I think for political expediency, he realizes in order to be a successful president, he needs to at least appear to have common ground.

But facts are facts. The guy can only be judged by his actions, inaction, and the company he keeps.

Since coming here, I do suspect you have made yourself familiar with the dearth of investigative information so many here have put their time and effort into.

In particular, Zombie. Prairie Fire.

This guy is probably the most shady character ever to win the presidency of our United States. I am still waiting for someone, in an intellectual fashion, show me just one real accomplishment that supports him in his win.

You are giving him way too much credit, and he is not even sworn in yet.

Point taken, I may well be basing my opinions more on hope then hard data. I read his books, followed the way he ran his campaign, liked what I saw and got involved in politics for the first time in my life. The guy inspired me, and more then a few others. I can only hope that he can lead and is not a "empty suit" that gives a great speech as i often repeated.
If he's as shady as some suggest, I've been taken, but I'll wait to see how he governs. So far his cabinet picks and the rest have not been as left of center as I'd seen predicted, no sign of Ayers or Wright in any post.

273 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:42:57pm
“Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans,” the president of Human Rights Campaign, Joe Solomonese, wrote Obama Wednesday.

Not goin' there. Nope.

274 reesmatt  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:30pm

A non gay agenda is not the same as an anti-gay agenda. Jus' sayin'.

275 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:01pm

The important thing is that they were part of history.

276 spankerfish  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:54pm

so gays took it in the heiney from Obama?

277 formercorpsman  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #272 avanti

I'll ask you, and don't take this as me trying to pile on you, or your opinion.

Set aside how he makes you feel. Right now, our world is truly faced with some extremely serious challenges in which the balance of civilized society might possible walk the along the brink.

Financial, Terrorism, Military, Rogue nations & leaders, you name it.

Iran is set to become a nuclear nation. The structure in place to prevent proliferation has no balls. What do you think an Obama administration is going to do about it?

278 Tenacious  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:19pm

Headline: "Gay Activists Mad About ______________"

Hey gay people, besides marriage, you are allowed to do anything the rest of us are allowed to do. Go live and have fun. Cripes.

279 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:32pm

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

I'll bring my accordion. Maybe Rawmuse could but a band together?

I have performed at many hundreds of weddings, and yes, even some gay ones.
Who needs a group? Anyone we know? Inter-Lizard nuptials?

280 MPH  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:26pm

The Rick Warren forum was better than any of the debates...but the guy is an opportunist...all about the money.

281 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:29pm

re: #277 formercorpsman

I'll ask you, and don't take this as me trying to pile on you, or your opinion.

Set aside how he makes you feel. Right now, our world is truly faced with some extremely serious challenges in which the balance of civilized society might possible walk the along the brink.

Financial, Terrorism, Military, Rogue nations & leaders, you name it.

Iran is set to become a nuclear nation. The structure in place to prevent proliferation has no balls. What do you think an Obama administration is going to do about it?

Surround himself with the best minds he can gather, listen to all of them and make decisions. Unlike some others, he does not seem to want to just hear his opinions reinforced, but encourages all the pros and cons.
You give the President way to much credit, they all listen to experts although even the experts can be wrong. I think the mistake Bush made on Iraq for example was to decide he would invade and had his staff sell the plan. I think some of the movement you are seeing already with Obama is do to some rethinking some of his grand vision in light of some good advice.
As I've said numerous times, the proof will be in the pudding, way to early to predict how he'll do. It's also moot point, since he won, all we can do is wish the best for our country 'and not hope for him, and us to fail.
We can spend the next few weeks arguing about how this new car will go down the road, but until he gets behind the wheel, we're just wasting bandwidth. He will surly fail if half the country fights his every move like we've done recently. Call him out if he swings too far to the left, cut him some slack if he stays toward the middle.
Like it or not, the world likes the guy and if he's smart he'll move fast to take advantage of it and some of it you may not like. For example, my gut tells me he'll open up a dialog with Cuba, lift the embargo and try to open up trade.
A Starbucks on every corner in Havana will spell the end of the Commies faster then the decades old embargo.
Even the younger Cuban American's are moving that way.

282 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:04pm

re: #281 avanti

Oh goodness. You are very young, aren't you?

283 solomonpanting  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:44pm

re: #281 avanti

Like it or not, the world likes the guy

Voted the winner on World Idol.

284 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:37pm

re: #282 funky chicken

"Your only as young as the girls you feel", but my real age is 66.

285 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:03pm

re: #61 Mardukhai

I know Rick Warren. I've met him twice, the second time quite informally while doing business. He's a great, back-slapping businessman and self-promoter. He is also a man of secrets, and not a good neighbor. He's no role model.


This choice says more about Rick Warren than Obama.

286 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:18pm

re: #78 Salamantis

Recipe for the Obama Under-the-Bus-Tossed Salad:

Begin with a base of Jeremiah leaves. Add a few sprigs of Bill Dill and a cup of Tony Croutons. Garnish with assorted relatives, sprinkle with anti-war agitators, then season with a liberal LGBT drizzle.

um, ew.

287 bk97229  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:23:52pm

re: #246 fclass308

Bush the Elder said it best. When he was asked if he would have any gays in his Cabinet, he replied "How would I know?"

288 eclectic infidel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:51:03pm

Eh. Obama chose a creep, what else is new.

289 Throbert McGee  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 1:46:58am

re: #8 rightymouse

I'm waiting for my gay friend to reply to my email about this. I suspect it's going to be a very interesting and convoluted reply since he voted for 'O'.

If your friend claims to be surprised, he shouldn't be -- since Obama's stated position has been that he opposes Same-Sex Marriage using the word "marriage," but supports Same-Sex Civil Union laws of some form or another. And SSCU without SSM is exactly what gays in California now have.

290 Throbert McGee  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 2:16:23am
it is drawing fierce challenges from a gay rights movement that – in the wake of a gay marriage ban in California – is looking for a fight.

If Obama wants to avoid a fight with gay activists over the marriage issue, all he need do is announce that he intends to make passage of ENDA a top priority, or that he will finish what Bill Clinton started by ending the military ban on gays. Whether he actually succeeds in either endeavor is immaterial -- the important thing is that once ENDA or Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell is the new gay political obsession du jour, the marriage debate will be entirely forgotten by 90% of the very same gays who are treating it as a life-or-death issue today.

(ENDA, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, is supposed to ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Among more right-leaning gays, there is a cynical suspicion that left-wing gay activists, who are outwardly the most vocal supporters of ENDA, don't even particularly want it to pass -- since activists would rather keep ENDA in perpetual play as a fundraising theme. Hence the left-wing strategy will forever be to insist on adding more radical provisions to ENDA anytime the current version seems too close to being passed.)

291 Throbert McGee  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 3:43:58am

At wikipedia, there's a detailed breakdown (with an animated map, even!) of how state constitutions stand on legalized same-sex unions, as of post-November 2008. I strongly encourage bookmarking the wiki article to have as a reference the next time someone throws numbers at you.

The state constitutional amendments may be categorized as follows (alphabetical within each group):

A. Bans Same-Sex Marriage (SSM) under the name "marriage": 10 states

(Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Tennessee -- California being the only one of the 10 that DOES have civil union law already)

B. Bans SSM and also bans "same-sex civil unions" (SSCU) and other compromises that don't call it "marriage": 19 states

(Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin)

C. No constitutional bans on same-sex legal union laws, regardless of name: 20 states

(Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming. Of these CT, and MA already have SSM law, while VT already has SSCU)

D. Bans nothing at the constitutional level, but grants the state legislature power to enact bans: 1 state:

(Hawaii -- which currently has a legislative ban on SSM, but no legislation either against or for SSCU)

A + B + C + D = 50 states, and 4 states (CA, CT, MA, VT) already have either SSM or SSCU. Out of the remaining 46 states in which there are currently NO laws recognizing same-sex couplehood, "civil unions" remain non-banned (and thus a viable political option) in 30 states. But a lot of gay "leaders" would rather encourage self-martyred bitching about the hatefulness of SSM opponents, instead of constructively pursuing SSCU.

292 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 7:14:19am

Related.

293 Thom  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 7:20:24am
“[W]e feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination.”

OH YEAH?! Well, *I* "feel a deep level of disrespect" [sic] that you left out Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transgendereds in the last sentence expressing the deep level of disrespect you feel at having someone with whom you disagree given a public forum, brother.

Sister.

Sister, sorry.

In any case, someone so clearly dismissive of LBTs (and BLTs as well in all likelihod) makes me feel a deep level of disrecpect that he's the President of Human Rights Campaign when he so clearly feels no deep level of disrespect at having ignored ¾ of the otherwise-sexually-empowered community.

294 Lynn B.  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 10:00:10am

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Allow me to observe, briefly, that the inclusion of both "bisexuals" and "transgenders" under the "gay and lesbian" umbrella is highly destructive to the so-called "gay identity." LGBT activists include these categories in order to swell their numbers, but both bisexual and transgender people utterly undercut the foundation upon which gay and lesbian identity is based.

Gay/Lesbian identity, in its current political form, is predicated on the article of faith that one cannot choose one's sexual orientation, but that this is hard-wired either from birth or shortly thereafter. The very existence of "bisexuals"--people who are attracted to both sexes--negates this, for these are people who by definition can choose, of their own volition, which gender they will partner with.

First of all, the hard-wired "article of faith" isn't even universally accepted within the gay/lesbian community, let alone the sole predicate for its identity (whatever that means). And even if it was, the existence of bisexuals would no more undercut that argument than the existence of ambidextrous people undercuts the idea that most people are hard-wired to be either right or left handed. (Left-handed and ambidextrous kids used to be encouraged to use their right hand because that generally makes life easier. Don't know if that kind of intervention is still prevalent today but there's a parallel there...)

By the same token, the sad fiction of "transgender" is merely a means by which persons who are psychologically, for whatever reason, unable to accept and be at peace with their same-sex attraction can, through socially-approved self-mutilation become a "member" of the opposite sex. Just as ever-earlier viability of premature newborns undercuts the justification for abortion, the surgical mutilation of individuals in the service of "changing their sex" is antithetical to the notion of accepting one's same-sex attractions.

Transgender usually has nothing to do with sexual orientation but rather with the way some people feel within their own skin. Consequently, there are any number of transgender lesbians and gays. If you're actually interested in the facts about this rather complicated issue, this might help.

Sorry to drop this on a very dead thread but I see you got good marks for a comment that's based on obviously widespread misconceptions. Too bad.

295 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:35:35am
296 nikis-knight  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 12:02:29pm

re: #295 buzzsawmonkey

Interesting. I think that gender roles/identity is in general a good thing, but rigid enforcement of them is terrible.
That's, imo, just a recognition of trends that exist in reality. Men and women have differences, by and large, and so it is useful to train them & have them approach society & themselves differently.
But not having the characteristics of one's sex is very rarely if ever a moral failing, and making a person feel that way is terrible.


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