Daily Astronomy Pics, Through the Magic of RSS (and NASA)

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Science • Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 7:07 pm PST • Views: 482

Added to the RSS feeds in our left sidebar: APOD, the acronym for Astronomy Picture of the Day, where today’s featured image is “The Dumbbells:” gaseous remnants of dying sunlike stars.

Explanation: These two nebulae are cataloged as M27 (left) and M76, popularly known as The Dumbbell and the Little Dumbbell. Not intended to indicate substandard mental prowess, their popular names refer to their similar, dumbbell or hourglass shapes. Both are planetary nebulae, gaseous shrouds cast off by dying sunlike stars, and are similar in physical size, at a light-year or so across. In each panel, the images were made at the same scale, so the apparent size difference is mostly because one is closer. Distance estimates suggest 1,200 light-years for the Dumbbell compared to 3,000 light-years or more for the Little Dumbell. These deep, narrow-band, false-color images show some remarkably complex structures in M27 and M76, highlighting emission from hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen atoms within the cosmic clouds.

Credit & Copyright: Daniel López, IAC.

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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:08:20pm

Lovely! Those are great pictures.

2 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:08:22pm

I'm so spaced-out, man!

3 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:08:22pm

Oooo... lookit the pritty pikchurzzz...! :D :D :D

4 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:08:45pm

Oh man, those pictures are cool! I'm adding APOD to my bookmarks.

Will ZooBorns be added, too?

5 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:09:32pm

Breathtakingly beautiful!

6 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:09:44pm

do you know we are missing Glenn Beck?...will he forgive us do ya think?

7 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:09:46pm

Explanation: These two nebulae are cataloged as M27 (left) and M76, popularly known as The Dumbbell and the Little Dumbbell.

Obama, Biden, is that really you?

8 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:10:11pm

The Discovery Institute does it again!

/

9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:12:04pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Breathtakingly beautiful!

Almost as purdy as a blue chick with blond hair.

(finger)

10 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:12:13pm

I want a vacation spot right up there toward that greenish galaxy toward the left...

11 HelloDare  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:12:17pm

The dumbells? You know, if you squint they do look a little like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer.

12 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:12:38pm

Behold, our future, in those pics. Great stuff.

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:13:01pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

When is someone going to come up with the nic, Karma Electra?

14 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:13:09pm

I use a Firefox add on that lets me surf just my interests with one click, and astronomy is one. Ton's of great pictures and web sites. A addictive program if you're on the couch with a lap top.

Stumble Upon

15 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:13:16pm

re: #11 HelloDare

The dumbells? You know, if you squint they do look a little like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer.

LOL!

16 HelloDare  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:13:26pm

re: #7 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Didn't see your post.

17 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:13:55pm

collective awe...we are awed...awdism

18 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:14:07pm

re: #14 avanti

A addictive program if you're on the couch with a lap top.

Stumble Upon

Pervert!
///

19 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:14:19pm

re: #11 HelloDare

The dumbells? You know, if you squint they do look a little like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer.

Are they near the oil tanker on the left?

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:14:46pm

re: #17 albusteve

collective awe...we are awed...awdism

Auld lang syne?

21 Max Darkside  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:15:03pm

I read somewhere that when our sun dies, it will reach out in a great gaseous cloud as well. The good news is the Earth will survive. The bad news is that nothing on it will. I plan on being around, unless of course I get abducted by aliens to some astral plane, where I'll meet Shirley MacLaine, because certainly, "TRUTH IS OUT OF STYLE".

/MC 900 Ft Jesus

22 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:15:10pm

re: #16 HelloDare

Didn't see your post.

Me Neither.

23 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:15:22pm

re: #14 avanti

I use a Firefox add on that lets me surf just my interests with one click, and astronomy is one. Ton's of great pictures and web sites. A addictive program if you're on the couch with a lap top.

Stumble Upon

That's an evil program that will suck away all your free time and sleep if you let it.

24 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:15:23pm

re: #19 David IV of Georgia

Are they near the oil tanker on the left?

hush...dont be irreverant...

25 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:16:01pm

Baby on the right's got back.

26 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:16:07pm

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Auld lang syne?

fer sure...someday

27 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:17:46pm

Astronomy Picture of the Day is my Safari homepage.

28 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:18:23pm

re: #27 David IV of Georgia

Astronomy Picture of the Day is my Safari homepage.

that's better...

29 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:18:28pm

1,200 light years and 3,000 light years away...I wonder what we'd see if we could actually go there and look. Would there be something new in the place of those old stars?

30 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:19:03pm

There is some really neat stuff out there. So when do we develop the warp drive and go see it firsthand?

31 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:19:56pm

re: #29 davinvalkri

1,200 light years and 3,000 light years away...I wonder what we'd see if we could actually go there and look. Would there be something new in the place of those old stars?

According to the article, what's there, I guess is: planetary nebulae, gaseous shrouds cast off by dying sunlike stars

32 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:02pm

The nebula on the left kind of looks like earth.

33 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:02pm

re: #30 Jetpilot1101

There is some really neat stuff out there. So when do we develop the warp drive and go see it firsthand?

when we finish the bong...pass it over

34 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:19pm

A beautiful reflection out of time, light from yesteryear

35 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:30pm

re: #33 albusteve

when we finish the bong...pass it over

I have some particularly good herb tonight.

36 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:40pm

" popularly known as The Dumbbell and the Little Dumbbell"

What an insult to the nebulae to be named after Obama and Raum...although "gaseous remnants" is very fitting.

37 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:20:59pm

So beautiful...stars gone nova...
WOW! The colors are magnificent in high res...

38 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:11pm

re: #35 Jetpilot1101

I have some particularly good herb tonight.

well then I hate you!...not really

39 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:18pm

Star gazing has always filled me with awe and wonder but it also has the effect of giving me perspective when I'm troubled. My problems really don't amount to a hill of beans.

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:42pm

All the sudden.

Out of nowhere.

Feeling melancholy.

Go figure.

41 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:21:44pm

re: #28 albusteve

that's better...

It has been so for over a year. Cool pics.

42 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:09pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

My problems really don't amount to a hill of beans.

After the day I had, tat is the best thing I have heard all night! Thanks!

43 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:14pm

re: #34 Thanos

A beautiful reflection out of time, light from yesteryear

Yestereon. :D

44 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:41pm

Daily Astronomy Pictures, infinity times better than DailyKos!

45 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:22:56pm

I love APOD. I visit it every day to see the new picture. I've gotten several desktop backgrounds from that website, and this one from NASA.

46 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:23:02pm

If you want some fine quality telescopes try these guys:

[Link: www.telescope.com...]

Quality is great and there support was excellant.

47 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:23:32pm

And for those who are not spaced out enough...

Rocks from Space picture of the day...

[Link: www.rocksfromspace.org...]

48 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:23:39pm

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All the sudden.

Out of nowhere.

Feeling melancholy.

Go figure.

Have a Guinness or two

49 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:23:55pm

Remember Drew Peterson, the retired 54 year old cop from Bolingbrook IL., whose wife 4th wife Stacy, 23, disappeared after his third wife "drowned" in the bathtub? Well, he's engaged to another 23 year old! Problem is, he's still married to Stacy, who he killed disappeared. I bet his fiancee's family is so proud!

50 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:24:16pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Star gazing has always filled me with awe and wonder but it also has the effect of giving me perspective when I'm troubled. My problems really don't amount to a hill of beans.

uh oh...sharmuta's lending perspective here...so my problems are akin to Mt Everest...what should I do?...
/

51 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:24:22pm

re: #42 Jetpilot1101

After the day I had, tat is the best thing I have heard all night! Thanks!

Sorry you had a bad day.

52 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:24:33pm

re: #44 gclaghorn

Daily Astronomy Pictures, infinity times better than DailyKos!

I think you have the square root of a negative number somewhere in your equation...I think it is after the word "than".

53 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:24:45pm

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All the sudden.

Out of nowhere.

Feeling melancholy.

Go figure.

Have a carrot.

54 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:25:11pm

re: #31 reine.de.tout

I mean, say, have the nebulae gotten bigger, or dispersed? If they're that far away, we're seeing the state of that part of the universe as it was three millennia ago.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:25:54pm

Was just thinking of John Gorka's version of Longfellow's "Christmas Bells".

56 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:14pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

Sorry you had a bad day.

It's better now. Just issues at work that I think are unfair but life ain't fair so I'm just going to work a lot harder.

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:34pm

re: #48 Steve

Why do you think I'm melancholy?

58 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:37pm

re: #49 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Remember Drew Peterson, the retired 54 year old cop from Bolingbrook IL., whose wife 4th wife Stacy, 23, disappeared after his third wife "drowned" in the bathtub? Well, he's engaged to another 23 year old! Problem is, he's still married to Stacy, who he killed disappeared. I bet his fiancee's family is so proud!

buzz buster!...I was just starting to feel reverent then you come along...now I gotta start over

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:26:55pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Why do you think I'm melancholy?

60 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:27:37pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Star gazing has always filled me with awe and wonder but it also has the effect of giving me perspective when I'm troubled. My problems really don't amount to a hill of beans.

Thanks, I really needed that. Company laid of everybody for two weeks starting the 22nd. But I had enough vacation to cover it and take this week off as well. One cannot and must not work on their birthday. Birthdays should be a recognized holiday IMHO.

61 Karridine  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:27:38pm

re: #54 davinvalkri

I mean, say, have the nebulae gotten bigger, or dispersed? If they're that far away, we're seeing the state of that part of the universe as it was three millennia ago.

We ARE, indeed, seeing things AS THEY WERE hundreds and thousands of light-years ago... a sort of Time-Travel in and of itself...

But yes, what are things like NOW?

/'now'... what a concept!

62 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:28:31pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do you think I'm melancholy?

outa carrots?

63 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:28:33pm

re: #35 Jetpilot1101

I have some particularly good herb tonight.

That reminded me of the picture on Drudge's "Cool Man of the Year" showing Obama chilling out and smoking it up...it's actually made me hate him 0.000001% less than before.

64 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:28:42pm
65 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:28:54pm

Iowahawk's running for The ONE's Senate seat, but Blago needs some convincing.

66 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:02pm

If he's melancholy don't hand him a rifle, for he's no bore.

67 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:13pm

re: #63 JumpLandPackRepeat

That reminded me of the picture on Drudge's "Cool Man of the Year" showing Obama chilling out and smoking it up...it's actually made me hate him 0.000001% less than before.

I guess he's making progress with the 50 some odd million of us who didn't vote for him.

68 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:40pm

re: #63 JumpLandPackRepeat

That reminded me of the picture on Drudge's "Cool Man of the Year" showing Obama chilling out and smoking it up...it's actually made me hate him 0.000001% less than before.

Wasn't it Kool Man of the year?

69 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:29:59pm

re: #54 davinvalkri

I mean, say, have the nebulae gotten bigger, or dispersed? If they're that far away, we're seeing the state of that part of the universe as it was three millennia ago.

Ah, well, yes, that would be correct.

70 Karridine  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:09pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do you think I'm melancholy?

A random image, word-series or thought TRIGGERED something that your subconscious wants to bring to your attention in this manner...

WE can offer little if any help, for it is YOUR experience, and YOU alone can find meaning in YOUR feelings, Sir...

71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:12pm

re: #62 albusteve

outa carrots?

Someone told me it was "Hassenpfeffer".

72 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:12pm

re: #68 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Wasn't it Kool Man of the year?

Does he smoke Kool's?

73 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:39pm

If there are no dogs in heaven, then I ain't goin'.

74 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:42pm

Nice pair of dumbells on M76.

75 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:30:44pm

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do you think I'm melancholy?

Okay, try this: Three scoops of vanilla ice cream, Baileys Irish Cream and either Rum, Kahlua or E & J Brandy. Put it in a blender and add just enough 1/2 and 1/2 to make it into a milkshake consistency. I personally prefer the brandy.

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:31:30pm

re: #70 Karridine

A random image, word-series or thought TRIGGERED something that your subconscious wants to bring to your attention in this manner...

WE can offer little if any help, for it is YOUR experience, and YOU alone can find meaning in YOUR feelings, Sir...

CALM DOWN!

77 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:31:32pm

re: #72 Jetpilot1101

Does he smoke Kool's?

Yes.

78 2by2  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:02pm

Ha! Thanks Charles, these images are incredibly beautiful!

79 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:02pm

Of course- there is plenty on earth to help me keep perspective too. When I see the handicapped, or homeless, I thank God for the blessings I take for granted.

80 gclaghorn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:26pm

re: #79 Sharmuta

Of course- there is plenty on earth to help me keep perspective too. When I see the handicapped, or homeless, I thank God for the blessings I take for granted.

Amen.

81 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:26pm

OT -Ohio agency head who snooped on Joe the Plumber resigns
Not only is she out, two other managers involved in accessing Wurzelbacher’s records are gone, too.

82 notutopia  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:33pm

Note: Microsoft finally released the security patch update for Internet Explorer 7.0...
Need to reboot...
Nite All!

83 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:32:49pm

I should refrain from making light of peoples moods or fancifying their point of view to amuse myself...sorry...some of my favorite posters are here right now and I know who you are...as for myself I'm working on my Red Stripe...

84 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:10pm

re: #79 Sharmuta

Of course- there is plenty on earth to help me keep perspective too. When I see the handicapped, or homeless, I thank God for the blessings I take for granted.

Or a liberal.
/

85 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:47pm

re: #61 Karridine

We ARE, indeed, seeing things AS THEY WERE hundreds and thousands of light-years ago... a sort of Time-Travel in and of itself...

But yes, what are things like NOW?

/'now'... what a concept!

They are probably like this.

new look

86 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:33:52pm

re: #61 Karridine

Technically it's three thousand years (as you learn in Pokemon, lightyears= distance! = 3 * 10 ^8 m), but yeah, quantum physics is brain-blowing.

87 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:34:06pm

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone told me it was "Hassenpfeffer".

I do not speak Hassenverbo so I wouldnt know

88 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:07pm

re: #79 Sharmuta

Of course- there is plenty on earth to help me keep perspective too. When I see the handicapped, or homeless, I thank God for the blessings I take for granted.

you da bomb...

89 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:10pm

re: #86 davinvalkri

Technically it's three thousand years (as you learn in Pokemon, lightyears= distance! = 3 * 10 ^8 m), but yeah, quantum physics is brain-blowing.

That's meters per second right?

90 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:22pm

From the heights of heaven to the depths of hell, I'm off to read the Pakistan papers.

91 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:35:28pm

re: #85 Steve

BOOO!
Not what I wanted!
/funny, but still no

92 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:19pm

re: #89 Steve

Oh, yeah...so just multiply that by 3600 * 24 * 365.25 and you'll get a light-year. Doy.

93 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:36:23pm

re: #79 Sharmuta

Of course- there is plenty on earth to help me keep perspective too. When I see the handicapped, or homeless, I thank God for the blessings I take for granted.

I have seen those that trudge the highway with a backpack and have said silently to myself...
There but for the grace of God goes me..

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:03pm

re: #79 Sharmuta

Of course- there is plenty on earth to help me keep perspective too. When I see the handicapped, or homeless, I thank God for the blessings I take for granted.


I was sad because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. So I said, "Got any shoes you're not using?"

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:43pm

OT...

My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.

-Steven Wright

96 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:37:52pm

Is this the National Geographic/Narcanon joint group therapy session?

97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:01pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

-Steven Wright, too.

98 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:03pm

re: #92 davinvalkri

Oh, yeah...so just multiply that by 3600 * 24 * 365.25 and you'll get a light-year. Doy.

I had to study physics of light while after one of my Photo degrees. For some reason a lot of it stuck. Just bought my first digital camera and I am working on the attachment for the telescope.

99 NelsFree  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:38:42pm

re: #14 avanti

A friend just sent me a link to StumbleUpon. So, is good?

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:39:02pm

re: #98 Steve

I haven't seen the movie "Body Double" for quite a while.

101 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:40:05pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was sad because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. So I said, "Got any shoes you're not using?"


my dad used to quote that when we bitched he wouldnt buy a convertable...but he caved and came home with a new 59 Impala...black with a red interior...he used it in the Little League parade that year...I was somebody on that day!

102 NelsFree  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:40:29pm

OT Steven Wright:

"I put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room and closed the door. Let them fight it out."

103 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:41:11pm

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT...

My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.

-Steven Wright

Thanks for mentioning Darwin. I had a chance to speak to a historian last night about Newton. Now- for those who've followed ID threads, we often see Newton raised as though the man would have rejected Darwin's theory. They don't say that, but they imply it. THis historian agreed with me that it's unlikely Newton would have rejected evolution had he been able to review the evidence present by Darwin as Newton himself was quite comfortable in bucking religious dogma with his scientific research.

Also- has anyone heard of 'The Baroque Cycle'?

104 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:41:23pm

It's a beautiful universe, and we've barely begun to discover it.

105 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:41:34pm

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I haven't seen the movie "Body Double" for quite a while.

The 1984 version by Brian Depalma

106 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:04pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

Also- has anyone heard of 'The Baroque Cycle'?

That is manufactured by the Italians?

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:12pm

re: #105 Steve

The 1984 version by Brian Depalma

yep. whoa.

108 phoenixgirl  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:13pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

we are currently in the "broke cycle"

109 winston06  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:28pm

Fascinating... My question is what's beyond these stars? I wish I could know

110 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:43:48pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have never seen it but it looks strange.

111 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:05pm

I'd do the math for a light year, but why think when there's google?

[Link: www.google.com...]

1 light year = 9.4605284 × 10^12 kilometers

112 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:09pm

re: #105 Steve

The 1984 version by Brian Depalma

Great movie. And so was "Crimes of Passion" (Directors cut the best)

113 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:48pm

re: #101 albusteve

my dad used to quote that when we bitched he wouldnt buy a convertable...but he caved and came home with a new 59 Impala...black with a red interior...he used it in the Little League parade that year...I was somebody on that day!


And I was the one who threw the spoiled eggs that you couldn't get out of the upholstery.

114 NelsFree  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:51pm

re: #49 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Remember Drew Peterson, the retired 54 year old cop from Bolingbrook IL., whose wife 4th wife Stacy, 23, disappeared after his third wife "drowned" in the bathtub?

How far from Chicago is Bolingbrook?

Well, he's engaged to another 23 year old! Problem is, he's still married to Stacy, who he killed disappeared. I bet his fiancee's family is so proud!

I hope the prenuptual agreement includes a restraining order.

115 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:44:57pm

re: #109 winston06

Fascinating... My question is what's beyond these stars? I wish I could know

VP Cheney's secret undisclosed location.

116 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:19pm

re: #111 itellu3times

I'd do the math for a light year, but why think when there's google?


[Link: www.google.com...]

1 light year = 9.4605284 × 10^12 kilometers


What does that come to in inches?

117 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:35pm

re: #113 shanec99

And I was the one who threw the spoiled eggs that you couldn't get out of the upholstery.

bastid!...I knew that was you!...loozer

118 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:45:42pm
119 NelsFree  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:46:18pm

re: #109 winston06

Fascinating... My question is what's beyond these stars? I wish I could know

You'd have to boldy go where no man has gone before!

120 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:46:48pm

re: #117 albusteve

bastid!...I knew that was you!...loozer


I bet you don't know what I did to your house that Halloween.

121 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:47:08pm

re: #109 winston06

Fascinating... My question is what's beyond these stars? I wish I could know

A Wal-Mart Supercenter?

122 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:47:09pm

re: #30 Jetpilot1101

There is some really neat stuff out there. So when do we develop the warp drive and go see it firsthand?

Use your Google Earth, select "space view" and warp yourself anywhere you like. Lots of space tours from observatories there too.

123 mich-again  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:47:40pm

Does light ever run out of steam and slow down?

124 NelsFree  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:29pm

re: #123 mich-again

Does light ever run out of steam and slow down?

As soon as light slows down, it ceases being light. Light has no rest mass.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:50pm

re: #110 Steve

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

Great movie. And so was "Crimes of Passion" (Directors cut the best)

It is fascinating. I love that movie.

126 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:55pm

re: #123 mich-again

Does light ever run out of steam and slow down?


Yeah it does... every time the universe stops expanding.

127 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:48:58pm

re: #123 mich-again

Does light ever run out of steam and slow down?

Yeah, but then you buy new batteries.
/Problem solved.

128 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:49:41pm

re: #119 NelsFree

You'd have to boldy go where no man has gone before!

Yes, but where is boldly go. They never seem to have gone there.

129 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:02pm

re: #120 shanec99

I bet you don't know what I did to your house that Halloween.

and I was on clean up detail...let me wax eloquent...FRIG YA!

130 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:43pm

re: #119 NelsFree

You'd have to boldy go where no man has gone before!

Rosie O'Donnell's bedroom?

131 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:45pm

re: #123 mich-again

Does light ever run out of steam and slow down?

only in the corners...

132 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:54pm
133 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:50:54pm

re: #81 reine.de.tout

OT -Ohio agency head who snooped on Joe the Plumber resigns
Not only is she out, two other managers involved in accessing Wurzelbacher’s records are gone, too.

Keep an eye on her. She's prime pickins for the incoming administration, what with her lack of inhibition when it comes to "good" domestic spying.

134 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:03pm

re: #111 itellu3times

Which is about 7 orders of magnitude for the value I gave for the distance light travels in a second. Yay I had it!

re: #123 mich-again

If you stick something in its way, like water or glass, it'll slow down. Seeing as how we're talking about vacuum, and various asteroids, planets, etc., light won't be slowing down anytime soon for these photos.

135 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:44pm

re: #123 mich-again

re: #124 NelsFree

Light is strange. It will slow down going through a translucent object but when it exits it resumes it normal speed.

136 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:46pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

Thanks for mentioning Darwin. I had a chance to speak to a historian last night about Newton. Now- for those who've followed ID threads, we often see Newton raised as though the man would have rejected Darwin's theory. They don't say that, but they imply it. THis historian agreed with me that it's unlikely Newton would have rejected evolution had he been able to review the evidence present by Darwin as Newton himself was quite comfortable in bucking religious dogma with his scientific research.

I've never before heard that Newton "would have rejected Darwin", obviously the issue being Newton's clockwork universe and Darwin's "chance", but I don't see any conflict there at all, actually.

Sharmuta, if you have a moment to step into the lounge, I have a message to pass along to you.

137 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:51:50pm

re: #81 reine.de.tout

OT -Ohio agency head who snooped on Joe the Plumber resigns
Not only is she out, two other managers involved in accessing Wurzelbacher’s records are gone, too.

Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish!

138 foxsecret  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:52:08pm

Looks like cosmic jellyfish!

No really...very beautiful sight!

139 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:52:46pm

re: #135 Steve

Strange and AWESOME, you mean.
/Yeah, the quantum mechanics professors here really got to me.

140 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:52:47pm

re: #132 taxfreekiller

if you were the universe
and you had all the power
why would you stop expanding

The riddle of tyranny.

141 NelsFree  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:52:58pm

re: #127 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yeah, but then you buy new batteries.
/Problem solved.

K-Mart Physics

142 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:25pm

re: #111 itellu3times

I'd do the math for a light year, but why think when there's google?

[Link: www.google.com...]

1 light year = 9.4605284 × 10^12 kilometers

1 light years = 5.17307984 × 1015 fathoms
1 light years = 4.70279985 × 1013 furlongs
and of course
1 light years = 2.06923193 × 1016 cubits

Google rocks. When they don't get dissidents jailed.

143 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:53:32pm

re: #129 albusteve

and I was on clean up detail...let me wax eloquent...FRIG YA!

Heh, heh, heh... in my mispent youth, I was a truant, malcontent and a hooligan... please forgive me.
But I still mix Iron Sulfide with dilute hydrochloric acid and put it under people' desks at night.
Some things get better with age.

144 NelsFree  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:00pm

re: #132 taxfreekiller

if you were the universe
and you had all the power
why would you stop expanding


Stop channelling Harry Reid!

145 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:05pm

re: #132 taxfreekiller

if you were the universe
and you had all the power
why would you stop expanding

Gravity.

146 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:54:49pm

re: #145 Fat Jolly Penguin

And then you'd start imploding (the proposed Big Crunch!)

147 Steve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:05pm

Well it has been fun. Short but fun. You are all fun but I have to go play with the kids. 19, 16 and 8.

Good night and Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah

148 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:11pm

re: #142 Taqiyyotomist

Gotta insert some carats after all those 10's. Ctrl-C doesn't do superscript, I see.

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:15pm

Bed. Bye.

Going to sleep with a little "totally effed up a guy tonight at a bar" sheepish grin on my face.

He was being an asshole and I "Mandy Mannered" his dumb ass self.

One of those, "Don't speak, Hilary, just...go" moments.

150 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:23pm

re: #143 shanec99

Heh, heh, heh... in my mispent youth, I was a truant, malcontent and a hooligan... please forgive me.
But I still mix Iron Sulfide with dilute hydrochloric acid and put it under people' desks at night.
Some things get better with age.

I lost my right arm tossing apples at mailboxes back in '67...I hope you have the decency to feel sorry for me...

151 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:55:48pm

re: #132 taxfreekiller

if you were the universe
and you had all the power
why would you stop expanding

You saw a current picture of Rosie?

152 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:08pm

re: #135 Steve

re: #124 NelsFree

Light is strange. It will slow down going through a translucent object but when it exits it resumes it normal speed.

In one episode of History Channel's "The Universe," they described how it was possible, with some specialized apparatus and a particular kind of gas, to bring the speed of light down to almost nil, then restore it to normal speed again.

Weird.

Science!

153 winston06  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:30pm

re: #121 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

possible

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:46pm

re: #150 albusteve

I lost my right arm tossing apples at mailboxes back in '67...I hope you have the decency to feel sorry for me...

So now you row in circles?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

155 winston06  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:46pm

re: #115 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I thought there was Karl Rove

156 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:56:48pm

re: #135 Steve

Light is strange. It will slow down going through a translucent object but when it exits it resumes it normal speed.

Like a wave.

157 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:28pm

re: #142 Taqiyyotomist

1 light years = 5.17307984 × 1015 fathoms
1 light years = 4.70279985 × 1013 furlongs
and of course
1 light years = 2.06923193 × 1016 cubits

Google rocks. When they don't get dissidents jailed.


A pox on google... they are providing images that terrorists are using to target the innocent... read about Mumbai terrorists using Google earth to target and plan assaults.
People have no privacy, even if they bought homes in the most secluded places to escape inquisitive neighbors because of Google.

158 bombay311  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:57:52pm

Looks like some more job cuts in Ohio, good ones though
I wonder who made Strickland pull the trigger

159 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:05pm

re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So now you row in circles?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

cruelty is a virtue...Ha!...good one

160 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:50pm

re: #135 Steve

re: #124 NelsFree

Light is strange. It will slow down going through a translucent object but when it exits it resumes it normal speed.

Hi Steve..This last year there has been some furious theories about the speed of light..
Some have said that if the speed of light was faster at the Big bang than it is now.. The slow down of light speed would explain why we measure the universe expanding faster at this time.
the wars on certain blogs have been brutal. Interesting stuff.

161 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:56pm

re: #150 albusteve

I lost my right arm tossing apples at mailboxes back in '67...I hope you have the decency to feel sorry for me...

I do, Lefty.

162 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:58:59pm

re: #152 NomadOfNorad

Photons are particles, after all. If you clog up their media with enough of them you'll probably get 'em to slow down and/or go bouncy bouncy off the gas particles.

163 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:00pm

re: #150 albusteve

I lost my right arm tossing apples at mailboxes back in '67...I hope you have the decency to feel sorry for me...


Didnt know that... how are you managing today?

164 bombay311  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:45pm

re: #158 bombay311

Sorry for the repeat!

165 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 7:59:54pm

Revisionist down the first Buchanan thread.

166 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:00:20pm

re: #163 shanec99

Didnt know that... how are you managing today?

I get about half as much done...thanks for asking...

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:01pm

re: #159 albusteve

cruelty is a virtue...Ha!...good one

Oh shit! You were serious?

Do I get you out of a tree by waving to you?

168 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:32pm

re: #142 Taqiyyotomist

1 light years = 5.17307984 × 1015 fathoms
1 light years = 4.70279985 × 1013 furlongs
and of course
1 light years = 2.06923193 × 1016 cubits

Google rocks. When they don't get dissidents jailed.

I had a chem prof who like answers in furlongs per fortnight and other odd units.

169 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:01:46pm

Okay so Google doesn't rock.

Human ingenuity rocks!

170 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:05pm

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh shit! You were serious?

Do I get you out of a tree by waving to you?

yes...I'm gonna ask you not to do that again please...

171 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:10pm

re: #166 albusteve

I get about half as much done...thanks for asking...


Well that is about twice as much as UAW workers are gonna get done at GM if things keep going in that direction.
By the way... at least you couldn't lie and say: "I can beat you with one arm tied behind my back!"... unless you were a kick boxer.

172 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:14pm

speed of sound at sea level = 0.717824191 Astronomical Units per decade

You can literally type in "speed of sound in au per decade" and it will give you that.

173 caliredst8r  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:03:25pm

nebulae? I thought they were x-rays of Obama's ears.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:03pm

re: #172 Taqiyyotomist

You could've just asked me.

175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:29pm

re: #157 shanec99

A pox on google... they are providing images that terrorists are using to target the innocent... read about Mumbai terrorists using Google earth to target and plan assaults.
People have no privacy, even if they bought homes in the most secluded places to escape inquisitive neighbors because of Google.

They attacked a freakin' popular 8 story tall popular hotel that took up a whole city block, not Hajii's mudhut on the outskirts of Mumbai. I'd hardly "Blame Google" for this.

176 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:04:34pm

re: #162 davinvalkri

Photons are particles, after all. If you clog up their media with enough of them you'll probably get 'em to slow down and/or go bouncy bouncy off the gas particles.


That is one theory... the other theory says that protons are pure energy that demonstrate wave like properties.

177 Karridine  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:09pm

re: #158 bombay311

Exactly what I WONDER: "Who forced Strickland to do the necessary thing?"

/too much common-sense for an unforced Strickland, Bombay...

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:31pm

re: #170 albusteve

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

Okay. That's all I've got.

179 legalpad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:05:55pm

I just heard Barak Obama say "You Betcha" - on a clip on the O'Reilly factor.

180 gop_patriot  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:12pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You could've just asked me.

So are you not going to tell us what you said to the guy at the bar? Inquiring minds want to know.

181 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:15pm

re: #171 shanec99

Well that is about twice as much as UAW workers are gonna get done at GM if things keep going in that direction.
By the way... at least you couldn't lie and say: "I can beat you with one arm tied behind my back!"... unless you were a kick boxer.

well I do kick habits...but not often enough obviously...

182 Karridine  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:22pm

re: #176 shanec99

That is one theory... the other theory says that protons are pure energy that demonstrate sentient, wave-like properties.

They KNOW when we're observing them...

/cue eerie music

183 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:26pm

re: #175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

They attacked a freakin' popular 8 story tall popular hotel that took up a whole city block, not Hajii's mudhut on the outskirts of Mumbai. I'd hardly "Blame Google" for this.


That was not the only attack they made... they used maps from Google earth to coordinate their attacks, months before leaving Pakistan. A pox on them and Google.

184 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:06:51pm

I've spent about six hours over the past three days typing up summaries of The Kid's science lessons for the next two months. Good gravy. A lot of these terms/concepts I didn't learn in junior high, and he's eight! Convection, radiation, levers, atoms, molecules, chemical changes, thermal whatsisses, complete circuits, inclined planes... it's incredible.

As I mentioned the other day, I like the way his school (private, fundamentalist Christian) is approaching the Solar System. The teacher is teaching the class that God created it all a long, long time ago (billions of years). The preacher (in chapel) is teaching them that God's time is nothing like ours.

185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:07:53pm

re: #171 shanec99

Well that is about twice as much as UAW workers are gonna get done at GM if things keep going in that direction.
By the way... at least you couldn't lie and say: "I can beat you with one arm tied behind my back!"... unless you were a kick boxer.

You know what you call a kick boxer with one leg? Dusty.

186 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:08:00pm

OK, had to post this,... British Bi-Plane hits cow on emergency landing
[Link: www.comcast.net...]

187 gop_patriot  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:08:22pm

re: #179 legalpad

I just heard Barak Obama say "You Betcha" - on a clip on the O'Reilly factor.

Oh you are kidding me. He just assimilates, doesn't he? Morphs right in to whoever he's around/thinking of/whatever. Creepy. And after all the rudeness from his fans about Palin's way of speaking.

188 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:00pm

re: #183 shanec99

That was not the only attack they made... they used maps from Google earth to coordinate their attacks, months before leaving Pakistan. A pox on them and Google.

Why blame Google? It's just a tool. If you blame Google, why not blame the makers of the guns they used, too?

189 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:00pm

re: #175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I think shanec99 might be more thinking about his crops. heh. Or maybe got this Ruby Ridge-Ted Kozinsky thing going on, I don't know.

190 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:04pm

re: #185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You know what you call a kick boxer with one leg? Dusty.


I call him one tired sob.

191 legalpad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:09:21pm

re: #184 MandyManners

As I mentioned the other day, I like the way his school (private, fundamentalist Christian) is approaching the Solar System. The teacher is teaching the class that God created it all a long, long time ago (billions of years). The preacher (in chapel) is teaching them that God's time is nothing like ours.

The best of both worlds -

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:17pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Love it.

Hey Mandy!

193 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:18pm

I hate nature pt.1
Language warning

194 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:26pm

re: #186 CapeCoddah

OK, had to post this,... British Bi-Plane hits cow on emergency landing
[Link: www.comcast.net...]

I love the last line- He says: "I have to say it is the first cow I have ever hit in 22 years' flying."

195 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:35pm

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

Okay. That's all I've got.

re: #184 MandyManners

I've spent about six hours over the past three days typing up summaries of The Kid's science lessons for the next two months. Good gravy. A lot of these terms/concepts I didn't learn in junior high, and he's eight! Convection, radiation, levers, atoms, molecules, chemical changes, thermal whatsisses, complete circuits, inclined planes... it's incredible.

As I mentioned the other day, I like the way his school (private, fundamentalist Christian) is approaching the Solar System. The teacher is teaching the class that God created it all a long, long time ago (billions of years). The preacher (in chapel) is teaching them that God's time is nothing like ours.

bless you...that all beats an erector set anyday...

196 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:41pm

re: #183 shanec99

They would have used a Rand-McNally atlas a decade ago. You'da blamed Rand-McNally?

Damn mapmakers.

197 legalpad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:10:49pm

re: #187 gop_patriot

Oh you are kidding me. He just assimilates, doesn't he? Morphs right in to whoever he's around/thinking of/whatever. Creepy. And after all the rudeness from his fans about Palin's way of speaking.

I think it was an old clip, but I'm not sure how old.

198 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:29pm

re: #188 MandyManners

I'm happy to see he's getting a rational upbringing. Kudos.

199 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:11:45pm

My 5 year old son did a school project each kid contributed to a holiday cookbook.

My son's recipe for Strawberry Cake.

Apples - about 6
Oranges - about 5
Mix them up and put them in the microwave for about 6 minutes.
It will beep, open it up and take them out.
Put in more apples and oranges.
Put in cheese - about 2 big pieces.
Mix them up and after that put it in the microwave - about 5 minutes.
It will beep again.
After that put in 1 apple.
We go to the park and eat it with Grandma and Granpa.

200 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:12:10pm

re: #188 MandyManners

Why blame Google? It's just a tool. If you blame Google, why not blame the makers of the guns they used, too?


For the same reason I blame google for caving in to China and giving up dissidents... after all the database and your electronic records are just tools.
Unfortunately they allow their tools to be used improperly and put people at risk. I want my privacy... and I cant get it now... because google tells everyone what my home looks like.

201 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:12:32pm

re: #197 legalpad

I think it was an old clip, but I'm not sure how old.

Legalpad ...it was a clip from the Blago campaign and he was asked if he was working to get Blago elected and involved in his campaign ... he responded ...

"You Betcha ..."

Bet he would not have liked that clip to come out during the prez campaign while they were making fun of Palin ...

202 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:12:37pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

I'm happy to see he's getting a rational upbringing. Kudos.

fear the clue bat...

203 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:12:48pm

re: #194 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I love the last line- He says: "I have to say it is the first cow I have ever hit in 22 years' flying."

LOL,That was also my favorite part.

204 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:13:26pm

re: #196 Taqiyyotomist

They would have used a Rand-McNally atlas a decade ago. You'da blamed Rand-McNally?

Damn mapmakers.


Lets make it harder for them, not easier.

205 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:13:36pm

re: #191 legalpad

The best of both worlds -

They're into educating the whole child.

206 gop_patriot  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:13:36pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

I hate nature pt.1
Language warning

ROFLMAO

207 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:13:57pm

re: #202 albusteve

Life has a brutal cluebat. Avoid it at all costs.

208 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:16pm

re: #206 gop_patriot

It's pretty funny but I've heard better David Attenborough impressions.

209 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:16pm

re: #157 shanec99

To be fair to Google, there are several other providers of maps like those. Terraserver. Blue Marble. Just sayin.

210 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:25pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

Life has a brutal cluebat. Avoid it at all costs.

Embrace life..

211 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:44pm

Shane it's really hard to disallow Jihadis to do anything at all. They want to use the public library, they can. They want to buy books about chemistry, they can. They want to attend classes, they can. They want to use Google Maps, they can. We don't have the ability to stop them, becuase we don't have the ability to know if they are Jihadis or not. Seems simple.

212 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:15:56pm

re: #204 shanec99

Lets make it harder for them, not easier.

HOW?

213 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:22pm

Here is what he said:

2002: Obama Working Hard For Blagojevich; "You Betcha"
Barack Obama, Blagojevich, Rezko, Fitzgerald, Volcker, Summers and Santa; Obama, 2002 to Present, the long, winding road. from Jeff Berkowitz at Public Affairs blog has an interesting bit from an interview with Barack Obama:

For example, in June of 2002, Obama sounded like just another pol as he cheered on then Cong. Rod Blagojevich in his general election campaign for Illinois Governor against then Illinois Attorney General, Republican Jim Ryan. There was not a hint of the “post-partisan,” attribute that was said, in his presidential campaign, to characterize Obama.
***
State Senator Barack Obama (D-Chicago): …right now, my main focus is to make sure that we elect Rod Blagojevich as Governor, we—

Jeff Berkowitz: You working hard for Rod?

Barack Obama: You betcha.

Jeff Berkowitz: Hot Rod?

Barack Obama: That’s exactly right. You know, I think that having a Democratic Governor will make a big difference. I think that I am working hard to get a Democratic [state] senate and Emil Jones President, replacing [Republican Senate President] Pate Philip and once all that clears out in November, then I think we’ll be able to make some good decisions about the [U. S.] Senate race.

Jeff Berkowitz: So, you want to see a Democratic State Senate, a Democratic State House, a Democratic Governor—

Barack Obama: I am a Democrat.

Jeff Berkowitz: Is that balanced? And I thought we wanted a fair and balanced approach to things.

Barack Obama: I am a Democrat.

Jeff Berkowitz: Card-carrying Democrat?

Barack Obama: Card-carrying Democrat. I really believe that the core Democratic philosophy is one that is—you know—really helps working people, and hopefully you know, we’ll be able to make sure that we carry out a mandate in this next election in November [2002].

214 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:42pm

re: #204 shanec99

Lets make it harder for them, not easier.

So since 99.999% use Google Earth for fun, or to learn, we should shut it down because .001% use it for nefarious reasons? Makes sense to me!

/Not.

215 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:56pm

I think I found the Plane hits cow vid.

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:16:59pm

re: #212 Taqiyyotomist

HOW?

Uh. We could kill them?

217 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:17:10pm

re: #209 bosforus

To be fair to Google, there are several other providers of maps like those. Terraserver. Blue Marble. Just sayin.

I still hate google even if other people are like them... if I can hate one rapist it does not mean I excuse the child porn addicts.

218 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:17:27pm
Youtube Video
219 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:00pm

re: #199 jcm

My 5 year old son did a school project each kid contributed to a holiday cookbook.

My son's kindergarten class did the same. The best recipe was the one for ramen.

My Mom's Recipe

You start some water boiling for five minutes. Then you put the noodles in. Then you go and watch tv. Then you get up and check it. Then you watch tv some more. Then it's done and you eat it.

The best part is the kid is absolutely right, but I could just see that mother. "I cook. You know I cook, right, honey?"

220 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:07pm

re: #217 shanec99

I still hate google even if other people are like them... if I can hate one rapist it does not mean I excuse the child porn addicts.

Big Google is raping the world!

221 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:14pm

re: #165 Thanos

Revisionist down the first Buchanan thread.

There is something about the word "revisionist" that I do not like. It implies that the study of history is written correctly as it stands and cannot be challenged. History is strengthened by challenges even old, crazy Pat's...

222 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:22pm

re: #212 Taqiyyotomist

HOW?


Stop showing peoples houses on google earth. Leave people some anonymity.
Damn I have the right to privacy in my own home.

223 gop_patriot  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:52pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

It's pretty funny but I've heard better David Attenborough impressions.

The impression just missed but what he said was hilarious.

224 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:53pm

re: #222 shanec99

Stop showing peoples houses on google earth. Leave people some anonymity.
Damn I have the right to privacy in my own home.

They took pictures inside your house?

225 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:18:58pm

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love it.

Hey Mandy!

Oh, my stars! His latest project (due Monday) was a model of the Solar System! We went so far as to construct the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter using yarn, spray glue, oat meal and black glitter and silver glitter. Baaad idea. That glitter shit gets EVERYWHERE.

226 legalpad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:01pm

re: #201 JacksonTn

Legalpad ...it was a clip from the Blago campaign and he was asked if he was working to get Blago elected and involved in his campaign ... he responded ...

"You Betcha ..."

Bet he would not have liked that clip to come out during the prez campaign while they were making fun of Palin ...

Ahh- thanks! I didn't catch where it was from.

227 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:19:25pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

Life has a brutal cluebat. Avoid it at all costs.

too late for me...I've got some scars...but I raised two kids and at eight years old we talked about college and life beyond mom and dad...they both loved school and learning so my clue bat did get used much...but youre right in that the ultimate bat is out there somewhere where you least expect it...you gotta start early and I expect Mandy has it all covered...

228 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:20:07pm

Winter driving in Portland OR.

With sound track.

229 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:20:50pm

re: #184 MandyManners

I've spent about six hours over the past three days typing up summaries of The Kid's science lessons for the next two months.

Do you have to do a science project? Those are fun.

230 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:05pm

re: #215 CapeCoddah

I think I found the Plane hits cow vid.

You think? I'd think it would be obvious. Plane hits cow isn't exactly an everyday occurrence. And I doubt youtube is filled with dozens of videos of plane/bovine collisions. : )

231 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:25pm

re: #217 shanec99

I still hate google even if other people are like them... if I can hate one rapist it does not mean I excuse the child porn addicts.

Dude...
It's a tool.. You can go to the hardware store and buy a hammer to build a beautiful house or to bash someone's brains in...
It is a tool...
There is no stopping technology in the world..Embrace it and use it for good.

232 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:26pm

re: #228 jcm

Lol. That about sums it up. We have about another week left of ice and snow. Luckily I have 4 wheel drive but I worry about the other idiots on the road.

233 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:35pm

re: #219 EmmmieG

LOL!

There some priceless one in this book.

Interesting glimpse into a kids eye view of the world.

234 Karridine  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:36pm

re: #221 experiencedtraveller

History may be strengthened, ET, but it is in the refutation of Buchanan's attempts to rewrite what has been accepted FACT, with little more than imaginative assertion and ignorance on his part...

235 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:21:38pm

re: #195 albusteve

bless you...that all beats an erector set anyday...

Well, it's just the stuff that a parent does.

236 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:22:14pm

re: #230 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You think? I'd think it would be obvious. Plane hits cow isn't exactly an everyday occurrence. And I doubt youtube is filled with dozens of videos of plane/bovine collisions. : )

Sorry, Jeeze, I am all doped up on sudafed.

237 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:22:33pm

re: #224 bosforus

They took pictures inside your house?

No but if they could I bet the sumbyches would.
What right do they have to take a photo of my home and send it all over the world?

238 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:22:41pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Lol. That about sums it up. We have about another week left of ice and snow. Luckily I have 4 wheel drive but I worry about the other idiots on the road.

This morning the freeway was BARE AND DRY! People where doing 25, I guess that snow next to the freeway is pretty slick.

239 Zimriel  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:22:44pm

re: #7 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Explanation: These two nebulae are cataloged as M27 (left) and M76, popularly known as The Dumbbell and the Little Dumbbell.

Obama, Biden, is that really you?

It's Buchanan and "straightcircle" from two threads down

240 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:22:48pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

I'm happy to see he's getting a rational upbringing. Kudos.

Aww, thanks, KT. I try!

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:23:02pm

re: #228 jcm

Winter driving in Portland OR.

With sound track.

Farking hysterical!

242 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:23:15pm

re: #237 shanec99

No but if they could I bet the sumbyches would.
What right do they have to take a photo of my home and send it all over the world?

Technically; every.

243 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:24:04pm

re: #237 shanec99

No but if they could I bet the sumbyches would.
What right do they have to take a photo of my home and send it all over the world?

You seen Zillow?

Estimated value, links to tax records, current owners etc...

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:24:24pm

re: #235 MandyManners

Well, it's just the stuff that a good parent does.

Fixed. Bless you, Mandy!

Really. Goodnight!

245 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:24:26pm

re: #217 shanec99

If you are interested in privacy issues read David Brin.

246 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:24:39pm

re: #199 jcm

My 5 year old son did a school project each kid contributed to a holiday cookbook.

My son's recipe for Strawberry Cake.

Apples - about 6
Oranges - about 5
Mix them up and put them in the microwave for about 6 minutes.
It will beep, open it up and take them out.
Put in more apples and oranges.
Put in cheese - about 2 big pieces.
Mix them up and after that put it in the microwave - about 5 minutes.
It will beep again.
After that put in 1 apple.
We go to the park and eat it with Grandma and Granpa.

Ooh. That is so sweet. I'm tearing up here, jcm.

247 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:24:50pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

My sister sent me pictures of her son and daughter playing in the snow last night.. in Las Vegas! It looked like about 3" accumulation. Isn't this really early in the Winter for the snow to stick in Vegas? /

248 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:25:11pm

re: #231 HoosierHoops

Dude...
It's a tool.. You can go to the hardware store and buy a hammer to build a beautiful house or to bash someone's brains in...
It is a tool...
There is no stopping technology in the world..Embrace it and use it for good.

Yes its a tool, and you should not put dangerous tools in the hands of criminals and insane people.
That is why kids, felons and insane people cant buy guns even though they are tools. Damnit.

249 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:25:13pm

This is pretty trippy...
Most Strangest Walking Fish Ever (Rarely Seen)

250 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:25:16pm

re: #228 jcm

Winter driving in Portland OR.

With sound track.


Very good. I had to go out just a couple of times. Drove five mph or less through my neighbordhood. In Portland, it's not worth snowtires unless you are traveling into the mountains a lot, but it is miserable for the two weeks that it matters.

251 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:25:44pm

re: #225 MandyManners

Oh, my stars! His latest project (due Monday) was a model of the Solar System! We went so far as to construct the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter using yarn, spray glue, oat meal and black glitter and silver glitter. Baaad idea. That glitter shit gets EVERYWHERE.

Sounds like fun, Mandy. I still have glitter in a few rugs from when my kids were little. Best way to get around that mess is to buddy up with another classmate and do it at their house.

252 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:06pm

re: #236 CapeCoddah

Sorry, Jeeze, I am all doped up on sudafed.

I'm just kidding...

253 wolfie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:38pm

re: #236 CapeCoddah

Hey, wow, I can dig it! Me too!
Unfortunately, sudafed doesn't put me to sleep.
Except for my brain.

254 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:40pm

re: #248 shanec99

Yes its a tool, and you should not put dangerous tools in the hands of criminals and insane people.
That is why kids, felons and insane people cant buy guns even though they are tools. Damnit.

Somehow I doubt a background check is going to be thrown into the EULA of Google Earth.

255 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:26:58pm

re: #242 bosforus

Technically; every.

And that is what I object to... I want a zone of privacy... I want to be left alone... Google refuses to allow me privacy... not even my home is a refuge anymore... no matter how far away I go into the wilderness.

256 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:27:14pm

re: #200 shanec99

For the same reason I blame google for caving in to China and giving up dissidents... after all the database and your electronic records are just tools.
Unfortunately they allow their tools to be used improperly and put people at risk. I want my privacy... and I cant get it now... because google tells everyone what my home looks like.

Isn't that just a function of the times? If it weren't for Google, some other company would do it. Heck, MicroSoft has it.

[Link: maps.live.com...]

257 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:27:18pm

re: #252 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm just kidding...

I know, lol.

258 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:27:35pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Lol. That about sums it up. We have about another week left of ice and snow. Luckily I have 4 wheel drive but I worry about the other idiots on the road.

If I typed that I'd say I'm worried about just "the idiots" on the road.

/But that's just me. ; )

259 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:28:14pm

re: #204 shanec99

Lets make it harder for them, not easier.

Stop progress?

260 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:03pm

re: #248 shanec99

So if Google Earth is bad, then how about Mapquest? Right now, the Jihadis can just dial up directions from their safe house to the target.

But then again if they use Mapquest most the terrorists would get lost and run out of gas looking for streets that don't actually exist.

261 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:08pm

re: #243 jcm

You seen Zillow?

Estimated value, links to tax records, current owners etc...

A pox on them too

262 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:13pm

re: #210 HoosierHoops

Embrace life..

EMBRACE THE CLUE-BY-FOUR.

263 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:29:18pm

I knew I'd seen this picture before somewhere.

264 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:30:20pm

re: #188 MandyManners

Why blame Google? It's just a tool. If you blame Google, why not blame the makers of the guns they used, too?

Hell! Why not blame the library they got all their books from, too! In fact, blame the ISP that gave them access to the World Wide Web while your at it!

265 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:30:23pm

re: #262 MandyManners

EMBRACE THE CLUE-BY-FOUR.

hahaha!...a timeless metaphore

266 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:30:31pm

re: #254 bosforus

Somehow I doubt a background check is going to be thrown into the EULA of Google Earth.


Does not make it ok to invade people's privacy... and google is giving them the tool to do it. A pox on them.

267 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:30:44pm

re: #261 shanec99

A pox on them too

It's all public info, all online by the local agencies. Zillow just links it and make it easier to find.

Welcome to the information age.

268 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:30:49pm

re: #255 shanec99

And that is what I object to... I want a zone of privacy... I want to be left alone... Google refuses to allow me privacy... not even my home is a refuge anymore... no matter how far away I go into the wilderness.

I respect and completely understand your objection - but only now that I understand the objection as opposed to what seemed like an aimless rant. I will sum up my feelings by saying that I believe it's impossible to legislate programs like google earth into nonexistence. Endless legal battles.

269 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:09pm

re: #261 shanec99

A pox on them too

It's all public information. And it's been available for years. The only thing new is the delivery system.

Do you read newspapers over the internet.

270 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:13pm

re: #264 NomadOfNorad

Hell! Why not blame the library they got all their books from, too! In fact, blame the ISP that gave them access to the World Wide Web while your at it!

in the end just blame yourself...

271 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:26pm

re: #262 MandyManners

EMBRACE THE CLUE-BY-FOUR.

Don't wack me ..I'm on vacation

272 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:31:26pm

anywho...

273 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:31pm

re: #264 NomadOfNorad

Hell! Why not blame the library they got all their books from, too! In fact, blame the ISP that gave them access to the World Wide Web while your at it!


Peopole deserve to have some privacy... if I want to walk around my yard buck nekkid... and I put up high fenses I should be able to without a damned peeping tom taking pictures.
Google is nothing more than a peeping tom masquerading as a legitimate tool.

274 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:35pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

Don't wack me ..I'm on vacation

That gives you more time to recover!

275 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:32:50pm

re: #272 bosforus

anywho...

Yep, reverse directories used to be restricted to public agencies. Not they are online.

276 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:33:37pm

re: #275 jcm

Yep, reverse directories used to be restricted to public agencies. Not they are online.

switchboard.com

277 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:33:43pm

re: #246 MandyManners

But there aren't any strawberries...
It is sweet, though.

278 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:00pm

re: #253 wolfie

Hey, wow, I can dig it! Me too!
Unfortunately, sudafed doesn't put me to sleep.
Except for my brain.

Same here, I took the 24 hour, non drowsy. Only problem with that is, You cannot sleep at night. You don't think of that when you are standing in the aisle, frantically searching for anything that will stop you head from feeling like it HAS to explode any second now, and make it possible to breathe through your nose again. But it still makes me punchy.

279 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:01pm

re: #275 jcm

Yep, reverse directories used to be restricted to public agencies. Not they are online.

Oh, you meant now...sorry.

280 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:15pm

re: #275 jcm

Yep, reverse directories used to be restricted to public agencies. Not they are online.

Ha ha, I was merely expressing my personal desire to move on to a different subject. Had no idea I was saying something relevant. :)

281 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:39pm

Sorry I'm late again y'all - hope you are all having a great eveing!
CHARLES - thank you for both the photo above and the addition to the RSS feeds.

282 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:42pm

re: #273 shanec99

Peopole deserve to have some privacy... if I want to walk around my yard buck nekkid... and I put up high fenses I should be able to without a damned peeping tom taking pictures.
Google is nothing more than a peeping tom masquerading as a legitimate tool.

Google uses a lot of USGS imagery.
It's your tax money taking the pictures, they've been public domain for years.
You could go down to the office, or file a request for the image of a lat. long and get 8x10 glossies.

Google put it all online.

283 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:43pm

re: #256 MandyManners

Isn't that just a function of the times? If it weren't for Google, some other company would do it. Heck, MicroSoft has it.

[Link: maps.live.com...]


Bill Gates and all MicroSoft engineers are men with micro and permanently soft manhoods.

284 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:34:51pm

re: #278 CapeCoddah

Same here, I took the 24 hour, non drowsy. Only problem with that is, You cannot sleep at night. You don't think of that when you are standing in the aisle, frantically searching for anything that will stop you head from feeling like it HAS to explode any second now, and make it possible to breathe through your nose again. But it still makes me punchy.

Do you drink?

285 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:35:22pm

re: #229 Mich-again

Do you have to do a science project? Those are fun.

The latest project was another science project. We've done a previous science project as well as multi-media book reports and social science projects. (Ever tried to get a child to write out the Bill of Rights?)

286 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:35:35pm

re: #280 bosforus

Ha ha, I was merely expressing my personal desire to move on to a different subject. Had no idea I was saying something relevant. :)

Plug in a phone number, and the address and name pop up and it will give you directions.

287 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:35:39pm

re: #278 CapeCoddah

Same here, I took the 24 hour, non drowsy. Only problem with that is, You cannot sleep at night. You don't think of that when you are standing in the aisle, frantically searching for anything that will stop you head from feeling like it HAS to explode any second now, and make it possible to breathe through your nose again. But it still makes me punchy.

oh man...I feel for you...it will pass

288 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:21pm

re: #281 realwest

Sorry I'm late again y'all - hope you are all having a great eveing!
CHARLES - thank you for both the photo above and the addition to the RSS feeds.

Realwest! what up? Hope you are feeling well tonight

289 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:36:23pm

rec'd in email:

A husband and wife are shopping in their local Wal-Mart.

The husband picks up a case of Budweiser and puts it in their cart.

'What do you think you're doing?' asks the wife.

'They're on sale, only $10 for 24 cans,' he replies.

'Put them back, we can't afford them,' demands the wife, and so they
carry on shopping.

A few aisles further on along the woman picks up a $20 jar of face cream
and puts it in the basket.

'What do you think you're doing?' asks the husband.

'Its my face cream. It makes me look beautiful,' replies the wife.

Her husband retorts: 'So does 24 cans of Budweiser and its half the
price.'

On the PA system: 'Cleanup needed on aisle 25, we have a husband down'

290 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:02pm

re: #285 MandyManners

The latest project was another science project. We've done a previous science project as well as multi-media book reports and social science projects. (Ever tried to get a child to write out the Bill of Rights?)

Even worse is when that sprog sasses you with the backing of the Bill of Rights!

291 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:06pm

Seduce her with a whiff of Whopper

STILL can't think what to get him for Christmas? Socks don't seem to cut it any more? Fret no longer because Burger King is here to help.

The mass purveyor of grilled meat is offering, for a limited time only, something even better than its usual piles of beef patties. This week, American men were given the chance to smell like their favourite meat snack with the launch of Flame, Burger King's contribution to the perfume market. The company describes Flame as "the scent of seduction with a hint of flame-broiled meat".

/order yours today!

292 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:13pm

re: #282 jcm

Google uses a lot of USGS imagery.
It's your tax money taking the pictures, they've been public domain for years.
You could go down to the office, or file a request for the image of a lat. long and get 8x10 glossies.

Google put it all online.


Because the government is invading my privacy and google is acting like a high tech peeping tom and distributing my private information does not make it right.

293 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:37pm

re: #229 Mich-again

Do you have to do a science project? Those are fun.

AAAIIIYEEE.

294 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:37:45pm

re: #285 MandyManners
Hey Mandy! Ever try to get an adult to write out the Bill of Rights? Even after giving them a week to "study" for it?!
Just amazing ignorance around.

295 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:00pm

re: #289 Thanos

That's K-Mart, Walmart has a higher class cliental.
;-)

296 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:08pm

re: #284 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Do you drink?

No, I am really boring. Dont like the taste of alcohol, don't use drugs. I do smoke.
I drive for a living, so, no recreational substances.

297 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:38pm

re: #237 shanec99

No but if they could I bet the sumbyches would.
What right do they have to take a photo of my home and send it all over the world?

How much of the air-space above your home do you own?

298 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:40pm

re: #288 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops, yeah I'm feeling ok, just a little tired - how are you doing tonight?

299 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:41pm

re: #245 experiencedtraveller

If you are interested in privacy issues read David Brin.

A quote, from the excerpt that was in WIRED way back when, that I kept:

"What good will cryptography do if some adversary can fly a gnat-sized camera into your room and station it above your desk?"

--David Brin, in his article "The Trasnparent Society," WIRED 4.12US

300 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:42pm

re: #292 shanec99

Because the government is invading my privacy and google is acting like a high tech peeping tom and distributing my private information does not make it right.

Privacy is now a myth. I suggest you get used to it. I know, I used to be in the biz of finding people who did not want to be found.

301 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:38:59pm

re: #296 CapeCoddah

No, I am really boring. Dont like the taste of alcohol, don't use drugs. I do smoke.
I drive for a living, so, no recreational substances.

well thats your problem right there...

302 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:14pm

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fixed. Bless you, Mandy!

Really. Goodnight!

Sweet dreams!

(Thank you.)

303 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:17pm

re: #287 albusteve

oh man...I feel for you...it will pass

Thanks, I think the worst is over.

304 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:26pm

re: #286 jcm

Plug in a phone number, and the address and name pop up and it will give you directions.

I'm not paying a frickin dollar to see if they got my address right!

305 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:43pm

re: #234 Karridine

Yes. PB specializes in 'alternative historical theories assured of generating controversy and further TV time for PB'.

But he must be argued down using methods acceptable to historians.

It is just so darn sad that the Internet has provided a platform for trooferism. But that is the challenge. It cannot be shouted down. It must be argued down.

Hope you are well K.

306 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:47pm

re: #296 CapeCoddah

No, I am really boring. Dont like the taste of alcohol, don't use drugs. I do smoke.
I drive for a living, so, no recreational substances.


yeah... but I am buying stock in coke... and companies that manufacture human pheremones.

307 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:39:52pm

British Muslima serves booze, sue over dress code...
Muslim waitress: I was sacked for refusing to wear 'sexually available' red dress
Bonus: with pics!

308 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:02pm

re: #301 albusteve

well thats your problem right there...

so I have been told, many times. LOL

309 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:13pm

re: #292 shanec99

Because the government is invading my privacy and google is acting like a high tech peeping tom and distributing my private information does not make it right.

How is an overhead imagery at invading your privacy? There's no expectation of privacy from public areas, streets or airspace.

310 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:26pm

re: #297 MandyManners

How much of the air-space above your home do you own?


It should go all the way to infinity. Damn it.

311 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:49pm

re: #221 experiencedtraveller

There is something about the word "revisionist" that I do not like. It implies that the study of history is written correctly as it stands and cannot be challenged. History is strengthened by challenges even old, crazy Pat's...

FWIW I think that "revisionist" is pretty much a pejorative term at this point that applies to those who attempt to re-cast history in order to use that history to support a contemporary viewpoint. It works out to a tautology and is often sold using dishonest "scholarship".

If Buchanan wants to challenge the contemporary view regarding causes and intentions around WWII he ought to attempt to bring some support to his arguments in the form of documentation from that time. Letters, memoranda, meeting notes, and other papers might be helpful. Instead we get a sort of dime store psychological retro profiling of want was really wanted if only we had behaved differently, thus compelling us to adopt that behavior now.

But I agree with you - we need scholarship to rethink past assumptions. But we should demand it meet high standards.

312 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:51pm

re: #306 shanec99

yeah... but I am buying stock in coke... and companies that manufacture human pheremones.

LOL

313 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:58pm

re: #273 shanec99

Peopole deserve to have some privacy... if I want to walk around my yard buck nekkid... and I put up high fenses I should be able to without a damned peeping tom taking pictures.
Google is nothing more than a peeping tom masquerading as a legitimate tool.

Yeah, like they'll see you naked via Google Earth if you're standing outside right now. :P :P :P :P

(Hint: It's NOT a live image...!)

314 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:40:59pm

re: #304 bosforus

I'm not paying a frickin dollar to see if they got my address right!

Anywho reverse is free.

315 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:41:11pm

Still no word from Geert? I guess that was expected.

316 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:41:23pm

re: #309 jcm

How is an overhead imagery at invading your privacy? There's no expectation of privacy from public areas, streets or airspace.


My yard is partr of my home... if I have no expectation of privascy in my own home where can I expect it?

317 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:41:35pm

re: #313 NomadOfNorad

Yeah, like they'll see you naked via Google Earth if you're standing outside right now. :P :P :P :P

(Hint: It's NOT a live image...!)

The image of my house is about 3 years old. I can tell by nearby construction.

318 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:41:41pm

re: #251 CapeCoddah

Sounds like fun, Mandy. I still have glitter in a few rugs from when my kids were little. Best way to get around that mess is to buddy up with another classmate and do it at their house.

What's the half-life of glitter?

319 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:41:48pm

re: #294 realwest

Hey Mandy! Ever try to get an adult to write out the Bill of Rights? Even after giving them a week to "study" for it?!
Just amazing ignorance around.

I'm doing great RW.
As too the previous.. For 350/hr. I could get a lawyer to do whatever I want..
LOL...

320 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:28pm

re: #260 Mich-again

So if Google Earth is bad, then how about Mapquest? Right now, the Jihadis can just dial up directions from their safe house to the target.

But then again if they use Mapquest most the terrorists would get lost and run out of gas looking for streets that don't actually exist.

Big ding!

321 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:40pm

re: #285 MandyManners

(Ever tried to get a child to write out the Bill of Rights?)

ummm. nope.

322 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:43pm

re: #316 shanec99

My yard is partr of my home... if I have no expectation of privascy in my own home where can I expect it?

Unless it's fence it's visible from the street. Unless it's covered it's visible from the airspace.

Don't want folks looking into your living room?
Pull the curtains.

323 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:42:45pm

re: #318 MandyManners

What's the half-life of glitter?

How many millions of years old is the earth?

324 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:43:54pm

re: #314 jcm

Anywho reverse is free.

That's where I was looking. It says cell numbers aren't available and showed no results for the public search yet it also said there was a result in my city. But that was after following the intelius link, which is where the dollar charge would have been. Guess I misunderstood the results.

325 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:36pm

re: #300 rawmuse

Privacy is now a myth. I suggest you get used to it. I know, I used to be in the biz of finding people who did not want to be found.


And that sucks... but tell your position to the Supreme Court about privacy being a myth... the folks at NOW might have something to say about that and Roe v Wade.

326 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:48pm

re: #264 NomadOfNorad

Hell! Why not blame the library they got all their books from, too! In fact, blame the ISP that gave them access to the World Wide Web while your at it!

I blame Gutenberg.

327 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:44:59pm

re: #319 HoosierHoops
Hell, you could look up the Bill of Rights yourself, save some $350 an hour time while you're at it!

328 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:17pm

re: #320 MandyManners

It is a clarifying moment. The point you finally accept that yes, once again, Mapquest was wrong and you are late and have no idea where the hell you are at and will have to find a gas station to either buy a map or buy a pack of gum and ask for directions.

329 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:48pm

re: #311 karmic_inquisitor

Wow. Well said! My point exactly. Thanks!

330 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:46:50pm

re: #324 bosforus

That's where I was looking. It says cell numbers aren't available and showed no results for the public search yet it also said there was a result in my city. But that was after following the intelius link, which is where the dollar charge would have been. Guess I misunderstood the results.

Pulls mine right up.
Don't know about yours.

331 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:47:01pm

re: #313 NomadOfNorad

Yeah, like they'll see you naked via Google Earth if you're standing outside right now. :P :P :P :P

(Hint: It's NOT a live image...!)


If I am standing in my yard nekkid or doing the humpty dumpty in the hot tub, when the sattelite does the pass over... then even in my own home... i gotta hide. A pox on Google.
Leave people alone.

332 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:47:09pm

re: #283 shanec99

Bill Gates and all MicroSoft engineers are men with micro and permanently soft manhoods.

Well, I was at UW in the early 80s to mid 90s so, I beg to differ.

333 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:47:40pm

re: #328 Mich-again

It is a clarifying moment. The point you finally accept that yes, once again, Mapquest was wrong and you are late and have no idea where the hell you are at and will have to find a gas station to either buy a map or buy a pack of gum and ask for directions.

Precisely why I wont use it for jobs or put any of those GPS thingies in the cars. You always go the scenic route. Twice. Can't beat a good map.

334 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:20pm

re: #330 jcm

Pulls mine right up.
Don't know about yours.

Don't know. Don't care.
I will be internet air tight!

335 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:24pm

re: #323 CapeCoddah

How many millions of years old is the earth?

0.006

///

336 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:30pm

re: #294 realwest

Hey Mandy! Ever try to get an adult to write out the Bill of Rights? Even after giving them a week to "study" for it?!
Just amazing ignorance around.

Well, I don't have power over an adult.

337 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:43pm

Kasey's Stick

338 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:48:50pm

If you want privacy here is what you have to do
a) fake your death (I will not provide details)
b) after that, do not touch any assets in banks, etc. Just walk away.
c) change your appearance, including your gait
d) move away, get a cash job, live off the grid to whatever extent possible. Do not even make a phone call. Never again apply for a credit card or a bank account.

339 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:16pm

re: #331 shanec99

They've been known to remove/replace images on request.

340 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:20pm

re: #338 rawmuse

If you want privacy here is what you have to do
a) fake your death (I will not provide details)
b) after that, do not touch any assets in banks, etc. Just walk away.
c) change your appearance, including your gait
d) move away, get a cash job, live off the grid to whatever extent possible. Do not even make a phone call. Never again apply for a credit card or a bank account.

Move to Zimbabwe.

341 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:23pm

re: #335 jcm

Smartass.

342 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:24pm

re: #331 shanec99

If I am standing in my yard nekkid or doing the humpty dumpty in the hot tub, when the sattelite does the pass over... then even in my own home... i gotta hide. A pox on Google.
Leave people alone.

youre too modest...you neednt hide from a satellite...

343 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:35pm

re: #273 shanec99

re: #313 NomadOfNorad

re: #316 shanec99

re: #317 jcm

Actually, if they COULD see your nekkid self in your back yard vie Google Earth, all they'd see was a little person-shaped DOT in the yard. They wouldn't get enough detail to see your inadequately-sized little dingaling.

Actually, they'd barely get enough detail to see YOU that well, nevermind your male member... :P

344 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:38pm

re: #310 shanec99

It should go all the way to infinity. Damn it.

It doesn't. Neither is the ownership of the area beneath it infinite.

345 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:49:41pm

re: #285 MandyManners

The latest project was another science project. We've done a previous science project as well as multi-media book reports and social science projects. (Ever tried to get a child to write out the Bill of Rights?)

My 13 year-old just memorized the Declaration of Independence (minus the 27 grievances), for her class (not a public school class). I'd better get myself up to speed, although I can still discuss with her the events leading up to the Declaration, and how they thought their rights as Englishmen were being violated.

346 wolfie  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:24pm

re: #317 jcm

Any chance it could be even older? Please?
I mean, if I hafta be seen naked in my backyard, could it maybe be fromfifteeen or twenty years ago?

Not that over the hill, mind you. cough cough cough

347 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:26pm

re: #331 shanec99 I emphathize with you; Common Law with resepect to how much of "your land" do you own, held it went to the center of the earth and to the infinity of the Universe.
Regrettably (or not) that all changed with the advent of air travel. Federal government preempted your property rights above your land. Othewise you could charge airlines a license or user fee to fly over your land! LOL!
Hey, just wait until night, make sure the yard is fenced and, ah, use candles - more romantic anyway!

348 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:29pm

re: #338 rawmuse

If you want privacy here is what you have to do
a) fake your death (I will not provide details)
b) after that, do not touch any assets in banks, etc. Just walk away.
c) change your appearance, including your gait
d) move away, get a cash job, live off the grid to whatever extent possible. Do not even make a phone call. Never again apply for a credit card or a bank account.

a - check.
b - check.
d - check.

c is killing me! That's just how I walk!

349 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:44pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

Still no word from Geert? I guess that was expected.

I hope and pray that he is studying this issue very, very closely.

I know you don't pray so, could you kick in some hope?

350 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:50:53pm

re: #327 realwest

Hell, you could look up the Bill of Rights yourself, save some $350 an hour time while you're at it!

Oh boy..I think my lawyer just called his ninja warriors on you my friend..
If you hear any scratching on the windows tonight get out fast..
LOL

351 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:08pm

re: #344 MandyManners

It doesn't. Neither is the ownership of the area beneath it infinite.


I want to own magma! It would be cool!
\

352 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:39pm

re: #322 jcm

Unless it's fence it's visible from the street. Unless it's covered it's visible from the airspace.

Don't want folks looking into your living room?
Pull the curtains.


And that is pathetic... what happens when technology is developed that can create good digital images to see through solid media?
They may even look through walls.
Right now we have technology that can see through human tissue and see structures that are invivo. Like ultra sound... cat scans.
What happens when we develop technology to use it to see into homes?
Then even when your doors are closed... Will you still argue that it is just a tool, get used to it?

353 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:50pm

re: #343 NomadOfNorad

re: #313 NomadOfNorad

re: #316 shanec99

re: #317 jcm

Actually, if they COULD see your nekkid self in your back yard vie Google Earth, all they'd see was a little person-shaped DOT in the yard. They wouldn't get enough detail to see your inadequately-sized little dingaling.

Actually, they'd barely get enough detail to see YOU that well, nevermind your male member... :P

Best they have is 1m resolution IIRC.

354 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:51:58pm

re: #333 CapeCoddah

Oh anyone whose business involved making deliveries could never rely on Mapquest. Ha. The cactus plants would die of thirst while the driver searched for the intersection of Peachtree Boulevard and Cumberland Parkway.

355 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:20pm

re: #342 albusteve

youre too modest...you neednt hide from a satellite...

Heck, live stream it for $29.99 a month...

/capitalist

356 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:22pm

re: #347 realwest

The further into space you got the more "property" you owned!

357 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:22pm

re: #331 shanec99

If I am standing in my yard nekkid or doing the humpty dumpty in the hot tub, when the sattelite does the pass over... then even in my own home... i gotta hide. A pox on Google.
Leave people alone.

They DON'T update the bloomin' image every time a satellite passes over your spot on the Earth, you dope! :P :P :P :P

358 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:23pm

re: #349 MandyManners

I hope and pray that he is studying this issue very, very closely.

I know you don't pray so, could you kick in some hope?

Geert is probably scared to death of Charles and LGF...

359 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:29pm

re: #348 bosforus

a - check.
b - check.
d - check.

c is killing me! That's just how I walk!

Your gait is like a fingerprint. No two people walk alike, when you study it.
To this day I can identify acquaintances from a great distance, long before their faces come in to focus.

360 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:52:57pm

re: #337 Thanos

A dog loves a stick somethin' fierce.

361 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:53:12pm

re: #355 experiencedtraveller

Heck, live stream it for $29.99 a month...

/capitalist

WOOT!...good one

362 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:53:17pm

re: #336 MandyManners
Oh, no, that's not what I meant at all. I mean I taught a course to GRADUATE students - folks with B.A.'s or B.S.'s - gave 'em one week to "study the constitution and warned 'em there'd be at test on the Bill of Rights - the first ten amendments" and still less than 50% could name more than 3 of the 10. To whatever extent your kid is learning the Bill of Rights, good for him - and you for helping him out.

363 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:53:27pm

re: #339 bosforus

They've been known to remove/replace images on request.


They should get permission before publishing them. Damn them

364 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:53:41pm

re: #352 shanec99

And that is pathetic... what happens when technology is developed that can create good digital images to see through solid media?
They may even look through walls.
Right now we have technology that can see through human tissue and see structures that are invivo. Like ultra sound... cat scans.
What happens when we develop technology to use it to see into homes?
Then even when your doors are closed... Will you still argue that it is just a tool, get used to it?

You have an expectation of privacy in your home. Not in your yard, unless you arrange your yard to give you privacy or live in the middle of an large acreage.

365 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:53:53pm

re: #359 rawmuse

Your gait is like a fingerprint. No two people walk alike, when you study it.
To this day I can identify acquaintances from a great distance, long before their faces come in to focus.

How well does a leg injury change the gait?

366 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:54:02pm

re: #349 MandyManners

Sorry, I don't have much hope that Geert will make the right decision.

367 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:54:41pm

re: #321 Mich-again

ummm. nope.

Oh, it can be a lot of fun once you break it down to the basics.

You can wind up with shit like "Mom, get out of my room. You're violating the Fourth Amendment here." "Mom, I don't have to say anything. Fifth. Fifth. Fifth." "I can sass you. The Constitution says so."

*snort*

368 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:54:51pm

re: #353 jcm

Best they have is 1m resolution IIRC.


with todays technology... what happens tomorrow. No no no. Google is a damned peeping tom. A pox on them.

369 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:18pm

re: #338 rawmuse
Hey my friend - how did things go at the hospital today?

370 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:21pm

re: #354 Mich-again

Oh anyone whose business involved making deliveries could never rely on Mapquest. Ha. The cactus plants would die of thirst while the driver searched for the intersection of Peachtree Boulevard and Cumberland Parkway.

LOL, I deliver clients, mainly to airports.

371 jaunte  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:25pm

re: #347 realwest

Hi realwest. Have you ever seen the Luecke farmland in central Texas? People who fly over know who owns it. Just enter "luecke farm smithville texas" in google maps and take a look.

372 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:37pm

re: #364 jcm

You have an expectation of privacy in your home. Not in your yard, unless you arrange your yard to give you privacy or live in the middle of an large acreage.


My yard is a part of my home. Trust me.

373 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:55:41pm

re: #323 CapeCoddah

How many millions of years old is the earth?

According to The Kid, it is at least 1,000 millions.

374 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:08pm

I haven't linked to this in a while...
Hot Chick Makes Pretty Squeaks
G'nite, Y'all

375 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:08pm

re: #365 bosforus

How well does a leg injury change the gait?

It can change it, as a matter of fact, that is what is required for you to change your gait. Or just put an uncomfortable rock in your shoe, and alternate shoes every so often.

376 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:14pm

re: #368 shanec99

with todays technology... what happens tomorrow. No no no. Google is a damned peeping tom. A pox on them.

Keyhole 12's have higher resolution. But that's TS/SAP/SAR Code Word level.

377 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:15pm

re: #365 bosforus

How well does a leg injury change the gait?

I'm an expert...I just had a femoral bypass in my right leg...I've invented a whole new way to walk unlike any other bi pedal hominid...they wont catch me...

378 Karridine  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:45pm

re: #273 shanec99

People deserve to have some privacy... ...
Google is nothing more than a peeping tom masquerading as a legitimate tool.

No big fan of Google's, Shane, but they ARE at least somewhat responsive to pleas for privacy or non-display...

I looked at the pix of the island on the Korean DMZ where I worked doing Top-Secret Stuff, and although the surrounding (recent) housing developments were shown in a clarity that seemed like the observer was 200 meters up from them, the whole mountain and mountain-top where we Army Security Agency dudes worked was in a MUCH DIMINISHED resolution, not amenable to clearing or higher amplification...

And Google seems to defer to Communist and other thug governments which might look unfavorably on Google's high-resolution display of THEIR gas-chambers in Peoples' Re-Education Camp #6... or missile sites, or the like...

379 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:56:52pm

re: #366 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I don't have much hope that Geert will make the right decision.

Geerts gone...bet on it

380 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:20pm

re: #340 jcm Hmmm - well there ARE ways in which you can live under an assumed name, with a birth certificate and obtain a Social Security number (and from there it's all down hill) if you wanted to live aboveground but under a false identity.
Hey, how are you tonight?

381 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:33pm

re: #328 Mich-again

It is a clarifying moment. The point you finally accept that yes, once again, Mapquest was wrong and you are late and have no idea where the hell you are at and will have to find a gas station to either buy a map or buy a pack of gum and ask for directions.

I rarely use Mapquest. I Google the name of the place.

382 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:37pm

re: #377 albusteve

I'm an expert...I just had a femoral bypass in my right leg...I've invented a whole new way to walk unlike any other bi pedal hominid...they wont catch me...

Except now THAT gait is your new ID.

383 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:57:39pm

re: #372 shanec99

My yard is a part of my home. Trust me.

You don't understand the legal concept of expectation of privacy.

It's not what you would like it to be, it's what the courts have determined.

384 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:29pm

re: #380 realwest

The usual way is to get a Social Security number from the recently dead.

385 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:58:33pm

re: #380 realwest

Hmmm - well there ARE ways in which you can live under an assumed name, with a birth certificate and obtain a Social Security number (and from there it's all down hill) if you wanted to live aboveground but under a false identity.
Hey, how are you tonight?

Doing well, little snow cold.

Easiest way is take the name of an dead infant about your age, apply for a SSN and you are off and running.

386 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:59:16pm

re: #376 jcm

Keyhole 12's have higher resolution. But that's TS/SAP/SAR Code Word level.


People have a right to privacy... and every day Google invades it to my constrenation... I hope they go bankrupt, and every person who invests in them. Damned peeping toms.

387 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:59:28pm

re: #375 rawmuse

It can change it, as a matter of fact, that is what is required for you to change your gait. Or just put an uncomfortable rock in your shoe, and alternate shoes every so often.

You think Kathy Bates is too busy for a house call?

388 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 8:59:32pm

Hey, Mr. Spaceman
Won't you please take me along
I won't do anything wrong
Hey, Mr. Spaceman
Won't you please take me along for a ride

389 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:04pm

re: #349 MandyManners
What's all this about Geert? (sorry, I missed a buncha threads today).

390 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:13pm

re: #373 MandyManners

According to The Kid, it is at least 1,000 millions.

Sounds like a good number. Halve that number, and presto!...you have the half life of glitter!
And I think you may have to obtain a law degree before long to counter the boy's arguments. He is getting good, fast. LOL.

391 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:32pm

re: #345 EmmmieG

My 13 year-old just memorized the Declaration of Independence (minus the 27 grievances), for her class (not a public school class). I'd better get myself up to speed, although I can still discuss with her the events leading up to the Declaration, and how they thought their rights as Englishmen were being violated.

Oh, goodness. I know what you mean. We gotta' get crackin'!

392 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:50pm

re: #382 rawmuse

Except now THAT gait is your new ID.

shit...youre right...so how much time do I have?...one gate in 6 billion gates?...I tend not to think these things through and my record proves it...

393 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:51pm

re: #350 HoosierHoops
Screw 'em (h/t Kos) I'm still a lawyer myself - and MY ninja's ain't retired as I am! LOL!

394 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:51pm

re: #386 shanec99

People have a right to privacy... and every day Google invades it to my constrenation... I hope they go bankrupt, and every person who invests in them. Damned peeping toms.

Right to Privacy?

395 legalpad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:00:55pm

re: #293 MandyManners

AAAIIIYEEE.

I googled that, and they asked me

Did you mean: AAAI III EEE

My results?

396 jaunte  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:01:14pm

Future privacy concerns: Japanese invent mind-reading machine.

...Researchers at the ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories succeeded in processing and displaying images directly from the human brain, they said in a study unveiled ahead of publication in the US magazine Neuron.

While the team for now has managed to reproduce only simple images from the brain, they said the technology could eventually be used to figure out dreams and other secrets inside people's minds.

"It was the first time in the world that it was possible to visualise what people see directly from the brain activity," the private institute said in a statement.

"By applying this technology, it may become possible to record and replay subjective images that people perceive like dreams."

When people look at an object, the eye's retina recognises an image that is converted into electrical signals which go into the brain's visual cortex.

[Link: www.physorg.com...]

397 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:01:35pm

re: #351 EmmmieG

I want to own magma! It would be cool!

U b fun ee.

398 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:01:42pm

re: #392 albusteve

gait= gate doesnt it?

399 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:03pm

re: #398 albusteve

gait= gate doesnt it?

No.

400 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:05pm

re: #378 Karridine

No big fan of Google's, Shane, but they ARE at least somewhat responsive to pleas for privacy or non-display...

I looked at the pix of the island on the Korean DMZ where I worked doing Top-Secret Stuff, and although the surrounding (recent) housing developments were shown in a clarity that seemed like the observer was 200 meters up from them, the whole mountain and mountain-top where we Army Security Agency dudes worked was in a MUCH DIMINISHED resolution, not amenable to clearing or higher amplification...

And Google seems to defer to Communist and other thug governments which might look unfavorably on Google's high-resolution display of THEIR gas-chambers in Peoples' Re-Education Camp #6... or missile sites, or the like...

OK so if a rapist only rapes women between 25 and 30 we should excuse him?
Is that your logic... well he doesnt rape 19 year olds so he is not all that bad.
A pox on google... and all who use it.

401 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:17pm

re: #398 albusteve

gait= gate doesnt it?

It's teh internet. Of course it does.

402 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:21pm

re: #358 albusteve

Geert is probably scared to death of Charles and LGF...

I have no idea.

403 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:26pm

re: #399 rawmuse

No.

right...

404 jwb7605  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:02:49pm

re: #375 rawmuse

It can change it, as a matter of fact, that is what is required for you to change your gait. Or just put an uncomfortable rock in your shoe, and alternate shoes every so often.

I am missing 90% of my right adductor magnus muscle (inside thigh muscle).
It took about 3 years, but nobody even notices anything different about my gait, and it doesn't show in my footprints unless you know what to look for.

The uncomfortable rock, though, is sure-fire.

405 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:03:28pm

re: #356 bosforus
Well perhaps theorhetically - I was speaking of old English Common Law and while they certainly knew that the earth wasn't flat, I'm not so sure that they didn't think you could literally take your acre - or whatever - and run imaginary straight lines, straight up!

406 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:04:52pm

re: #362 realwest

Oh, no, that's not what I meant at all. I mean I taught a course to GRADUATE students - folks with B.A.'s or B.S.'s - gave 'em one week to "study the constitution and warned 'em there'd be at test on the Bill of Rights - the first ten amendments" and still less than 50% could name more than 3 of the 10. To whatever extent your kid is learning the Bill of Rights, good for him - and you for helping him out.

That is disgusting. My eight-year-old son knows more than those adults in post-grad studies?

407 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:05:35pm

re: #371 jaunte
Hi juante! Listen my friend, I be too tired to bother googling anything - who owns it?!

408 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:06:19pm

re: #379 albusteve

Geerts gone...bet on it

Why do you say so? Do you have some sort of "in"?

409 legalpad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:06:36pm

re: #362 realwest

Here is one of them

410 pat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:06:52pm

Those pics are just great. (reminder, artificial color is for contrast. In reality to the human eye this would be grades of yellow)

411 ggt  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:07:25pm

hello Night Lizards! It's still cold and icy in Near Iowa.

How do I know what "feedburner" I have? I'm sure my computer want's it to be something that has "Microsoft" in the name.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

412 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:09pm

re: #405 realwest

Conversely, I almost asked "so what happens to the tiny space inbetween properties the higher up they went?"

413 ggt  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:28pm

re: #405 realwest

Hey RW! How you doin' tonite? How's the shoulder?

414 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:34pm

re: #405 realwest

Well perhaps theorhetically - I was speaking of old English Common Law and while they certainly knew that the earth wasn't flat, I'm not so sure that they didn't think you could literally take your acre - or whatever - and run imaginary straight lines, straight up!


That is the problem... our government is too large and it keeps on encroaching on portions of our lives that should be our alone. I believe in a minimalist vision of government. Does that tell you what I think about the pending bailout of the big 3, and how my taxes are to be used?

415 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:38pm

re: #404 jwb7605

Congrats on your recovery!

416 jaunte  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:08:46pm

re: #407 realwest

It's an interesting image; the farmer who owns the land has cut his trees and brush into letters about 3000' tall that spell his name "Luecke."

417 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:13pm

re: #414 shanec99

That is the problem... our government is too large and it keeps on encroaching on portions of our lives that should be our alone. I believe in a minimalist vision of government. Does that tell you what I think about the pending bailout of the big 3, and how my taxes are to be used?

On that there is no argument!

418 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:18pm

re: #390 CapeCoddah

Sounds like a good number. Halve that number, and presto!...you have the half life of glitter!
And I think you may have to obtain a law degree before long to counter the boy's arguments. He is getting good, fast. LOL.

I'm a certified paralegal and a former reporter so, I'm good to go.

It's the math that scares the shit out of me. Thank goodness our football team/cheerleader squad has a bank of turors!

419 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:20pm

re: #385 jcm
Precisely. In many states, most death records are kept seperate from birth records so getting a name off a headstone of your approximate age, then getting a Certified Certificate of Birth is a snap. The SSN is a little trickier when you reach my age(!) but can be done and with both you can BE that person - long as it's somewhere FAR away from that graveyard!

420 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:09:58pm

re: #395 legalpad

My results?

*thud*

421 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:10:03pm

re: #396 jaunte

Future privacy concerns: Japanese invent mind-reading machine.

[Link: www.physorg.com...]

DreamCams would actually be awesome to watch online.
ImagiCams - no thank you.
TrueThoughtCams - also, no thank you.

422 DesertSage  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:10:10pm

What's up homies!

Someone left the cake out in the rain
I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again
Oh, no!

423 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:10:46pm

re: #411 ggt

Privacy concerns; the challenges of historical study, and some astronomy.

/And a million other things :)

424 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:10:55pm

ssshhh

425 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:11:13pm

Someone posted a link here within the past week or so to a video on YouTube of a 13-year-old girl taking apart and putting back together some type of really badass-looking gun (sorry, I am stupid when it comes to guns). Anyone have that link? I wanted to show my son his future wife.

426 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:11:26pm

In Pictures: The Strangest Sights in Google Earth

No, me nekkid in my backyard is not one of them.

427 jaunte  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:11:30pm

re: #421 bosforus

I saw that story reported (yesterday morning I think) on the television news and immediately thought there is a huge future potential for abuse there. Even in the worst tyrannies up until now, the mind has been a final refuge.

428 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:11:58pm

re: #417 jcm

On that there is no argument!


Get google and the goverment out of my back yard. As soon as the technology is available will they be in my bed room too? Good grief... where does the arm of government stop and my individual right to be left alone begin?

429 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:13:02pm

re: #406 MandyManners

IMHO, geography is just as bad. I'd like to think the percentage of kids who can't find their own state or the nation's capital on a map is exaggerated, but who knows? Maybe they're too busy teaching kids how evil and intolerant Christians and Republicans are that they left out some of the basics (like math, U.S. History, geography, civics).

No wonder all these home-schooled kids wind up winnig spelling bees or geography bees...

430 ggt  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:13:19pm

re: #423 experiencedtraveller

thanks!

431 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:13:35pm

re: #418 MandyManners

I'm a certified paralegal and a former reporter so, I'm good to go.

It's the math that scares the shit out of me. Thank goodness our football team/cheerleader squad has a bank of turors!

I hate math too. It is algebra and up that was always incomprehensible to me, not that I broke a sweat over it. But don't worry, sounds like you son will show you...

432 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:13:38pm

re: #406 MandyManners
Yes indeed, I'm afraid he does. And mind you that's after I WARNED 'EM that they'd be tested on it (course I taught was called "American Legal Systems" and I kinda thought the Constitution was important, ya see?!).

433 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:23pm

re: #425 JumpLandPackRepeat

Someone posted a link here within the past week or so to a video on YouTube of a 13-year-old girl taking apart and putting back together some type of really badass-looking gun (sorry, I am stupid when it comes to guns). Anyone have that link? I wanted to show my son his future wife.

/girl field strip Ar 15?

434 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:37pm

re: #422 DesertSage

What's up homies!

Someone left the cake out in the rain
I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again
Oh, no!


Oh, thank you. I needed that.

By the way, what kind of drug would make some think "...and were pressed in love's hot, fevered iron like a striped pair of pants..." is a lyric that belongs in any song anywhere? I'm not sure I know of one that strong.

435 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:47pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Why do you say so? Do you have some sort of "in"?

no of course not...it's just a gut instinct and maybe wishful thinking...I'm not so sure his agenda is more important than his showmanship...he is becoming a celebrity and more and more often being ridiculed for his extreme buddies...like here at this site...he feels he has to align himself with VB to get his seats...all this posturing I think will be his downfall...especially if Charoles stays on his ass...he knows he's been called out here...what's he waiting for?

436 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:48pm

re: #409 legalpad
Thanks, but can't turn on speakers this late at night.

437 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:14:59pm

re: #419 realwest

Precisely. In many states, most death records are kept seperate from birth records so getting a name off a headstone of your approximate age, then getting a Certified Certificate of Birth is a snap. The SSN is a little trickier when you reach my age(!) but can be done and with both you can BE that person - long as it's somewhere FAR away from that graveyard!

Sometimes far is not far enough.

In Oregon in the rural areas first person on a road gets to name it. So you have lots of family name roads. One not far from my parents is Jaquish.

I'm in Minneapolis visiting my uncle in the hospital. I nurse gets on the elevator with a name tag... Jaquish.

I figure that's pretty unique, so I take a shot in the dark.
"You get to visit Oregon very often?"

The look on her face was priceless. "How did you know I was from Oregon?"
"I've driven on your road many times." was my answer.

438 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:00pm

re: #428 shanec99

Get google and the goverment out of my back yard. As soon as the technology is available will they be in my bed room too? Good grief... where does the arm of government stop and my individual right to be left alone begin?

In the courts.

439 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:33pm

re: #422 DesertSage

What's up homies!

Someone left the cake out in the rain
I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again
Oh, no!

RALPH!...

440 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:15:50pm

re: #428 shanec99

Get google and the goverment out of my back yard. As soon as the technology is available will they be in my bed room too? Good grief... where does the arm of government stop and my individual right to be left alone begin?

I refer you back to the legal concept of expectation of privacy, not the mythical right to privacy.

441 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:16:16pm

re: #403 albusteve
Hey albusteve - why'd you say that "Geert is probably scared to death of Charles and LGF..."?

442 DesertSage  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:16:51pm

re: #434 EmmmieG

Oh, thank you. I needed that.

By the way, what kind of drug would make some think "...and were pressed in love's hot, fevered iron like a striped pair of pants..." is a lyric that belongs in any song anywhere? I'm not sure I know of one that strong.

Oh geeez, all the lyrics in that song come straight out of left field.

443 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:15pm

re: #426 jcm

loads of fun, that site.

444 DesertSage  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:25pm

re: #439 albusteve

RALPH!...

Same to you.

445 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:56pm

re: #413 ggt
Hey ggt! Shoulder's fine, thanks! Um what's this about a "feedburner"?!

446 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:17:56pm

re: #433 Killian Bundy

/girl field strip Ar 15?

YES! Thank you!

447 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:01pm

re: #428 shanec99

Get google and the goverment out of my back yard. As soon as the technology is available will they be in my bed room too? Good grief... where does the arm of government stop and my individual right to be left alone begin?

Oh, dear.

448 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:40pm

re: #414 shanec99
Yes, but it doesn't tell me what you think about air travel! LOL!

449 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:18:52pm

re: #428 shanec99

Get google and the goverment out of my back yard. As soon as the technology is available will they be in my bed room too? Good grief... where does the arm of government stop and my individual right to be left alone begin?

Sorry. I know exactly how you feel. I felt the same way until recently. They won, we lost.
Welcome to the Borg. Prepare to be assimilated.

450 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:05pm

re: #438 bosforus

In the courts.


that is right... in the hands of some liberal judge who will hand down some arbitrary decision that favors the entity with the deepest pockets and most expnsive lawyers the peeping toms can hire.
A pox on Google... and all other peeping toms.
Justice should not be a comodity to be purchased if you have great wealth and can get fancy lawyers... or we will have OJ Simpson '95 over and over again.

451 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:20pm

re: #443 rawmuse

loads of fun, that site.

I like #4, Without a doubt, the best thing that ever happened to crop circles.

Ahh, Google, that's a practice SAM site, not a crop circle.

452 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:30pm

re: #429 Fenway_Nation

IMHO, geography is just as bad. I'd like to think the percentage of kids who can't find their own state or the nation's capital on a map is exaggerated, but who knows? Maybe they're too busy teaching kids how evil and intolerant Christians and Republicans are that they left out some of the basics (like math, U.S. History, geography, civics).

No wonder all these home-schooled kids wind up winnig spelling bees or geography bees...

Do you have any experience with education that would lead you to those suppositions?

453 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:38pm

re: #446 JumpLandPackRepeat

YES! Thank you!

Pretty impressive.

/except that when she finishes, she lays the weapon on the table and then proceeds to walk directly in front of the barrel, not good

454 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:19:50pm

re: #428 shanec99

where does the arm of government stop and my individual right to be left alone begin?

In truth? It begins where government is AFRAID to further intrude.

455 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:20:13pm

re: #416 jaunte
WOW! I wonder how he did that? Maybe hadda friend in a chopper fly over and take some photos so he'd know where and how high to cut the trees, etc?!

456 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:20:59pm

re: #446 JumpLandPackRepeat

YES! Thank you!

I think this is the same girl.
She can shoot too.

457 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:20:59pm

re: #440 jcm

I refer you back to the legal concept of expectation of privacy, not the mythical right to privacy.


And I say to sell that to the folks who use the right to privacy are the philosophical underpinning to Roe v Wade.
Throw out the right to privacy and abortion right have no philosophical grounds to stand on.

458 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:22:00pm

re: #431 CapeCoddah

I hate math too. It is algebra and up that was always incomprehensible to me, not that I broke a sweat over it. But don't worry, sounds like you son will show you...

I was in the Chicago schools when math was introduced to me. By the time I got back to Tennessee, I was fucked beyond belief.

459 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:22:11pm

re: #422 DesertSage
Hey Sage! How the hell are ya doing? Long time no see!

460 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:22:15pm

re: #457 shanec99

And I say to sell that to the folks who use the right to privacy are the philosophical underpinning to Roe v Wade.
Throw out the right to privacy and abortion right have no philosophical grounds to stand on.

Roe v. Wade is emanation of a penumbra.

461 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:22:25pm

re: #441 realwest

Hey albusteve - why'd you say that "Geert is probably scared to death of Charles and LGF..."?

I just think he wont respond honestly to an influential blog like LGF who is calling him on his newest alliance with VB...this blog is getting some international cred and when Charles wants to know whats up Geert needs to respond and I dont think he wants to expose himself to us...he's in alliance with facsists...it's a big deal over here...

462 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:22:26pm

re: #452 MandyManners

Actually, very little with the educational process itself, but I've seen some of the byproducts that can quote verbatim the 0bama campaign talking points, but couldn't tell Washington D.C. apart from Washington state. I'm not 100% sure if that's the norm of if I ran into a couple of really extreme examples...

463 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:23:00pm

re: #444 DesertSage

Same to you.

okay...no harm

464 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:23:02pm

re: #449 rawmuse

Sorry. I know exactly how you feel. I felt the same way until recently. They won, we lost.
Welcome to the Borg. Prepare to be assimilated.


I will fight them kicking, screaming and cursing. I will not go quietly into the night.
A pox on them and all their houses. I hope that Google goes bankrupt and takes down every investor they have.

465 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:23:03pm

re: #432 realwest

Yes indeed, I'm afraid he does. And mind you that's after I WARNED 'EM that they'd be tested on it (course I taught was called "American Legal Systems" and I kinda thought the Constitution was important, ya see?!).

Was this in a law school?

466 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:23:23pm

VERY interesting about the gait...I broke my leg in 2003 (1 plate, 6 screws) and the same leg in 2006 (titanium rod replaced marrow from the knee to the ankle, 3 more screws) and I definitely feel a difference in my walk and stance in general, especially in the cold weather or sudden temperature change. I'm a human weather gauge.

/I sense global warming.

467 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:24:16pm

re: #435 albusteve

no of course not...it's just a gut instinct and maybe wishful thinking...I'm not so sure his agenda is more important than his showmanship...he is becoming a celebrity and more and more often being ridiculed for his extreme buddies...like here at this site...he feels he has to align himself with VB to get his seats...all this posturing I think will be his downfall...especially if Charoles stays on his ass...he knows he's been called out here...what's he waiting for?

I am praying and hoping.

468 jaunte  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:24:28pm

re: #455 realwest

I saw something awhile back on google sightseer that I can't find right now; I think he plotted the letters out, then bulldozed the brush with some gps help.

469 ggt  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:24:31pm

re: #445 realwest

the RSS thing Charles refers to above. I don't understand it and everytime I try to do it, I get confused, so I save it for another day.

470 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:24:44pm

re: #426 jcm
Hey, check out #'s 6 and 7!

471 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:24:46pm

re: #466 JumpLandPackRepeat

VERY interesting about the gait...I broke my leg in 2003 (1 plate, 6 screws) and the same leg in 2006 (titanium rod replaced marrow from the knee to the ankle, 3 more screws) and I definitely feel a difference in my walk and stance in general, especially in the cold weather or sudden temperature change. I'm a human weather gauge.

/I sense global warming.

The "land" part gave you problems once?

472 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:25:21pm

re: #422 DesertSage

What's up homies!

Someone left the cake out in the rain
I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again
Oh, no!

YOU ROCK, SAGE.

473 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:25:52pm

re: #454 experiencedtraveller

In truth? It begins where government is AFRAID to further intrude.


Which means... that as the government gets more power and less afraid to incurr the wrath of its citizens, it will become more intrusive... and we will have less privacy... and by extension less liberty.
This cannot be what our founders risked everything for.

474 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:26:27pm

re: #470 realwest

Hey, check out #'s 6 and 7!

Google does have it's advantages.

475 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:26:49pm

re: #447 MandyManners

Oh, dear.

LOL ! ! !

476 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:27:05pm

re: #462 Fenway_Nation

Actually, very little with the educational process itself, but I've seen some of the byproducts that can quote verbatim the 0bama campaign talking points, but couldn't tell Washington D.C. apart from Washington state. I'm not 100% sure if that's the norm of if I ran into a couple of really extreme examples...

Maybe it's time to sit back and watch.

477 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:27:15pm

re: #437 jcm
Waay cool! Who'd a thunk it?!

478 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:27:41pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

British Muslima serves booze, sue over dress code...
Muslim waitress: I was sacked for refusing to wear 'sexually available' red dress
Bonus: with pics!

Another moronic westerner who joined the ROP. The idiot deserves what she gets.

479 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:27:48pm

re: #453 Killian Bundy

I didn't notice that...my brother, a former Marine, might have.

As a sidenote, I was talking to someone a few years back about my brother and referred to him as an EX-Marine...I got my ASS chewed out, up, down, and sideways. Never made that mistake again. : )

480 DesertSage  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:28:06pm

re: #459 realwest

Hey Sage! How the hell are ya doing? Long time no see!

Hey RW...I'm doing well, how the hell are you?

Don't I owe you an e-mail or something?

:')

481 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:28:13pm

re: #460 jcm

Roe v. Wade is emanation of a penumbra.


It may be... but the principal understanding of the right to privacy is what helps it to stand up to challenges... that and the theory of let the precident stand, it is that precident that is giving privacy advocates like me some hope.

482 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:28:38pm

re: #457 shanec99

And I say to sell that to the folks who use the right to privacy are the philosophical underpinning to Roe v Wade.
Throw out the right to privacy and abortion right have no philosophical grounds to stand on.

Wait a minute. You are not saying that life begins at conception are you?

483 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:29:11pm

re: #476 MandyManners

That kind of sums up my feelings for the next four years.

484 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:29:36pm

Time for me to get some sleeps

moonbeam

485 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:30:04pm

re: #464 shanec99

I will fight them kicking, screaming and cursing. I will not go quietly into the night.
A pox on them and all their houses. I hope that Google goes bankrupt and takes down every investor they have.

I just googled your nic. Got about 100 hits.
Yeah, I could find you, with a budget under a grand.
Not that I would do that, of course. Unless someone paid me to. But I don't do that anymore.
But, my point is, the fact that you are more than a little involved on teh internet means you have footprints all over.
So, Emperor, where art thy robe?

486 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:30:16pm

re: #422 DesertSage

What's up homies!

Someone left the cake out in the rain
I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again
Oh, no!

Better link.

487 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:31:20pm

re: #478 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Another moronic westerner who joined the ROP. The idiot deserves what she gets.


She wants the money... going after the money... bet she tries to get employed by Hooters next.

488 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:31:23pm

re: #478 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Another moronic westerner who joined the ROP. The idiot deserves what she gets.

That dress is sexy?, I've seen better looking pup tents, now where did I leave that P-38, it's C-ration time...:)

489 DesertSage  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:31:40pm

re: #486 MandyManners

Better link.

Hehe...she was amazing wasn't she?

490 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:31:46pm

re: #461 albusteve
What has Charles asked Geert that Geert needs to respond to?

491 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:31:54pm

re: #479 JumpLandPackRepeat

I didn't notice that

/the only way to guarantee you'll never get accidentally shot is to never be in front of a gun barrel

492 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:32:09pm

re: #482 experiencedtraveller

Wait a minute. You are not saying that life begins at conception are you?


I think it does... but that was not my argument.

493 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:32:14pm

re: #478 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I've seen more revealing prom dresses. This stinkss of litigation theatrics.

494 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:32:23pm

re: #456 jcm

Holy hell...she is a BAD ASS. Now THAT is education I wouldn't mind funding.

495 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:33:33pm

re: #494 JumpLandPackRepeat

Holy hell...she is a BAD ASS. Now THAT is education I wouldn't mind funding.

I have that in mind for my girl.

No means No.

496 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:33:54pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

I love the first two paragraphs-

A Muslim cocktail waitress who claims she was sacked for refusing to wearing an 'indecent' red dress is suing a bar for £20,000.

Fata Lemes, 33, said the figure-hugging scarlet dress made her look like a nightclub hostess and was 'physically revealing and openly sexual'.

Well, DUHHH!

497 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:34:23pm

re: #481 shanec99

It may be... but the principal understanding of the right to privacy is what helps it to stand up to challenges... that and the theory of let the precident stand, it is that precident that is giving privacy advocates like me some hope.

Stare decisis. Precedent.

498 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:34:39pm

re: #465 MandyManners
Nope, Graduate School where they hadda take my course after SO many professors bitched and moaned to the dean that there students didn't know ANYTHING about the law. Course, that bitching and moaning caused the dean to ask me to come up with the curriculum, and teach the course! LOL!

499 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:35:05pm

re: #485 rawmuse

I just googled your nic. Got about 100 hits.
Yeah, I could find you, with a budget under a grand.
Not that I would do that, of course. Unless someone paid me to. But I don't do that anymore.
But, my point is, the fact that you are more than a little involved on teh internet means you have footprints all over.
So, Emperor, where art thy robe?


Oh you can find me sure... does not mean that when I go home I should not be left alone.
My public life and private lives should be seperate.
Sure if yh ou know my name you will even find articles about me on various sites, I am not famous... but I have done some interesting things.
I still want to be left alone when I go home.

500 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:35:18pm

re: #492 shanec99

I think it does... but that was not my argument.

Thank you. Sadly the issues of privacy and life are entangled.

501 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:36:18pm

re: #489 DesertSage

Hehe...she was amazing wasn't she?

No one right now has her power. The music companies have fucked themselves raw.

502 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:36:31pm

re: #497 MandyManners

Stare decisis. Precedent.


Forgive the miss spelling.

503 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:36:53pm

re: #490 realwest

What has Charles asked Geert that Geert needs to respond to?

he said he was going to e-mail him to explain his new possible alliance to VB at the Jerusalem meetings...there was a thread up a day or two ago

504 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:37:16pm

re: #483 Fenway_Nation

That kind of sums up my feelings for the next four years.

Do what you gotta' do.

505 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:37:21pm

Dustyvet at home...:)

Image: 2007_5_28_desert_rocks_29_lizard_512x.jpg

506 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:37:30pm

re: #481 shanec99

It may be... but the principal understanding of the right to privacy is what helps it to stand up to challenges... that and the theory of let the precident stand, it is that precident that is giving privacy advocates like me some hope.

Roe v. Wade is poor material to pin you hopes on. It's a deeply flawed ruling. Creating things that don't exists and making them law. It's not the functional of the court to create law out of whole cloth like Roe v. Wade. That's a legislative function, and an overstepping by the court.

The courts duty is to rule on Constitutionality of a law, not make a law.

The entire liberal progressive activist court is based on how Roe v. Wade came into to being.

Roe v. Wade is far more damaging to limited government that it is useful in preserving a mythic right.

507 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:37:47pm

re: #474 jcm
WHOA! I'm surprised that the Chinese a) didn't have those boats under cover and/or b) bitch and moan to Google about 'em.

508 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:38:28pm

re: #499 shanec99

I think privacy is going to be under even more assault coming up under the 0bama admin. Once medical records are all centralized, forget about it.

509 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:38:37pm

re: #507 realwest

WHOA! I'm surprised that the Chinese a) didn't have those boats under cover and/or b) bitch and moan to Google about 'em.

LOL! They do have ASAT capability.

510 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:38:51pm

re: #493 Fenway_Nation

I've seen more revealing prom dresses. This stinkss of litigation theatrics.

If she's a muslim- A. What is she doing selling alcohol, and B. Where is her hijab? Am I the only one who believes most muslims cherry-pick which islamic laws they'll follow? And yep, follow the money.

511 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:38:51pm

Kewl, 2000 year old computer rebooted.

Computer

512 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:39:00pm

re: #481 shanec99

It may be... but the principal understanding of the right to privacy is what helps it to stand up to challenges... that and the theory of let the precident stand, it is that precident that is giving privacy advocates like me some hope.

I gather from this that you are pro-choice.

513 CapeCoddah  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:39:47pm

Remember John Walker Lindh, the traitor who went to fight with the Taliban?
Well, his parents want the President to pardon him. He should have been executed.
[Link: foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com...]

514 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:40:12pm

re: #480 DesertSage
I'm glad to hear you're well my friend - I'm doing ok, thanks.
And no, you don't owe me an e-mail unless you want to respond to the last half dozen or so (I exaggerate...a little) that I've written to you.

515 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:40:14pm

re: #486 MandyManners

Better link.

Even without the "1978" included in the title of this YouTube video, you could still tell this song was from the 70s... :D

516 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:40:19pm

Fess up if you're in this video!
Drivers Can't Make it up Icy Hill.

517 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:40:20pm

re: #471 jcm

Oddly enough, no...both freak accidents that did not occur after a jump...you wouldn't believe the second incident!

518 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:41:30pm

re: #488 Dustyvet
ROFL! And of course the Claymore and K-Bar!

519 shanec99  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:41:55pm

re: #506 jcm

Roe v. Wade is poor material to pin you hopes on. It's a deeply flawed ruling. Creating things that don't exists and making them law. It's not the functional of the court to create law out of whole cloth like Roe v. Wade. That's a legislative function, and an overstepping by the court.

The courts duty is to rule on Constitutionality of a law, not make a law.

The entire liberal progressive activist court is based on how Roe v. Wade came into to being.

Roe v. Wade is far more damaging to limited government that it is useful in preserving a mythic right.

On one level you are right... but it is the only straw the holds back a deluge of all the activists who want to encroach on our privacy.
The argument is that is the government can get between the privacy of a woman and her doctor the goverment can go anywhere.
So among other things we have today is the Privacy act that protects medical information.

520 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:42:48pm

re: #518 realwest

ROFL! And of course the Claymore and K-Bar!

Nodding head and grinning...:)

521 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:42:58pm

re: #517 JumpLandPackRepeat

Oddly enough, no...both freak accidents that did not occur after a jump...you wouldn't believe the second incident!

Have to laugh at that... Jumping is safer that regular life.

Sport jumper or Airborne?

522 DesertSage  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:43:26pm

I don't know about the rest of you guys...but I feel love!

:')

523 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:43:41pm

re: #513 CapeCoddah

Remember John Walker Lindh, the traitor who went to fight with the Taliban?
Well, his parents want the President to pardon him. He should have been executed.
[Link: foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com...]

The traitor should be chopped into little pieces. Then President Bush can say "I'm so sorry Mrs. and Mrs. Waker, I thought you wanted him partitioned, not pardoned".

524 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:43:53pm

re: #510 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If she's a muslim- A. What is she doing selling alcohol, and B. Where is her hijab? Am I the only one who believes most muslims cherry-pick which islamic laws they'll follow? And yep, follow the money.


Selling alcohol to the kuffar is probably okey-dokey. I don't know about cherry-picking, but look for her to start working at Hooters and complaining about the 'degrading' orange short-shorts...

525 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:44:25pm

re: #510 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If she's a muslim- A. What is she doing selling alcohol, and B. Where is her hijab? Am I the only one who believes most muslims cherry-pick which islamic laws they'll follow? And yep, follow the money.

bingo!

526 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:45:10pm

re: #522 DesertSage

I don't know about the rest of you guys...but I feel love!

:')

even for me?...

527 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:45:31pm

re: #519 shanec99

On one level you are right... but it is the only straw the holds back a deluge of all the activists who want to encroach on our privacy.
The argument is that is the government can get between the privacy of a woman and her doctor the goverment can go anywhere.
So among other things we have today is the Privacy act that protects medical information.

Medical info is different it can be under the 4th Amend, "papers." Different set of legal principals apply than your backyard.

528 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:45:34pm

re: #503 albusteve
Geert had a possible alliance to VB at the Jerusalem meetings? Do you know if Geert ever e-mailed Charles back?
I'm gonna have to go find that thread.

529 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:45:55pm

re: #483 Fenway_Nation

That kind of sums up my feelings for the next four years.

I get up again.

530 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:46:27pm

re: #505 Dustyvet
Ooh - nice detailing work y'all had done there!
:)

531 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:46:27pm

re: #524 Fenway_Nation

Selling alcohol to the kuffar is probably okey-dokey. I don't know about cherry-picking, but look for her to start working at Hooters and complaining about the 'degrading' orange short-shorts...

Nope, there were muslims who sued some stores in Minnesota for forcing them to sell alcohol.

532 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:47:14pm

re: #489 DesertSage

Hehe...she was amazing wasn't she?

You know it.

533 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:48:23pm

re: #521 jcm

Have to laugh at that... Jumping is safer that regular life.

Sport jumper or Airborne?

For fun and sanity...it has been proven safer than stepping 10 feet out of my home or in the plane itself.

534 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:48:36pm

Life at 7 weeks.

535 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:49:36pm

re: #528 realwest

Geert had a possible alliance to VB at the Jerusalem meetings? Do you know if Geert ever e-mailed Charles back?
I'm gonna have to go find that thread.

I dont think so...Geert implied VB had softened and he was now ready to join up with them...charles didnt post an e-mail he just said he was going to try and get some response from Wilders...that's all I remember

536 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:49:58pm

re: #534 experiencedtraveller

Life at 7 weeks.

Ya see? At one point we were all finger monkeys.

537 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:50:11pm

re: #534 experiencedtraveller

Life at 7 weeks.

Resisting the urge to post photo of life at 61...:)

538 DesertSage  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:50:25pm

re: #526 albusteve

even for me?...

Yes steve...even for you.

539 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:50:36pm

re: #516 bosforus
Hey! Some of 'em made it! LOL! Loved the dude in thr Range Rover (I think) who kept trying and trying!

540 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:50:37pm

Speaking of Bosnia-

3 freed Guantanamo inmates back with families in Bosnia

'Happy ending' comes after six years in captivity

Last updated December 16, 2008 8:17 p.m. PT

By MIKE MELIA AND AIDA CERKEZ-ROBINSON
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- Three Guantanamo prisoners were flown to Bosnia on Tuesday and released to their families in the first detainee transfer ordered by a U.S. federal judge, according to local police and an attorney for the men.

A judge in Washington, D.C., ordered the release of Algerian-born Boudella al Hajj, Mustafa Ait Idr and Mohammed Nechle last month, saying the U.S. government's case was not strong enough to continue holding them.

The order came in the first hearing on the Bush administration's evidence for keeping prisoners at the Navy base in eastern Cuba as "enemy combatants."

An unscheduled Tuesday night flight to the Sarajevo airport delivered a group of men to police, who rushed them out of the building, put them in armored vehicles and took them to state police headquarters.

"This is a great victory. A great day for me and my family," said Nadja Dizdarevic, the wife of al Hajj.

Two hours after the plane landed, a uniformed officer standing outside police headquarters told media that the men were allowed to go home after going through an identification process. The officer did not provide his name.

"It has a very happy ending," said Stephen Oleskey, an attorney for the men. "We are absolutely thrilled."

Six Algerians were detained in Bosnia in 2001 on suspicion of plotting to bomb the U.S. Embassy in Sarajevo and held at Guantanamo since January 2002.

U.S. District Judge Richard Leon said last month that government evidence linking five of them to al-Qaida was not credible because it came from a single, unidentified source.

Leon urged the Justice Department not to appeal because it could delay the men's release.

Leon said there was enough reason to believe the sixth, Belkacem Bensayah, was close to an al-Qaida operative and tried to help others travel to Afghanistan to fight the United States and its allies.

Defense attorneys said they suspected another two of the six men -- Saber Lahmar and Lakhdar Boumediene -- were not released because they do not have Bosnian citizenship.

Boumediene was the plaintiff in a Supreme Court case this year that gave Guantanamo detainees the right to challenge their imprisonment.

Boumediene has been on a hunger strike to protest his continued detention, according to Oleskey.

The cases of more than 200 additional Guantanamo detainees are still pending, many in front of other judges in Washington's federal courts.

Dizdarevic pursued criminal charges against several Bosnian officials and sued the state of Bosnia in the European Court of Human Rights after the country's Supreme Court ruled that authorities there had violated the law by handing the men to the United States without offering evidence against them.

Amnesty International and other human rights groups have supported her.

"My fight for three men to return home is over, but my fight for their human rights continues," she said.

541 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:50:48pm

re: #533 JumpLandPackRepeat

For fun and sanity...it has been proven safer than stepping 10 feet out of my home or in the plane itself.

LOL! I did a number on my knee during training that precluded my learning to jump in the service.

542 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:51:24pm

Gotta go by for now

543 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:52:34pm

re: #516 bosforus

Fess up if you're in this video!
Drivers Can't Make it up Icy Hill.

Link thief!
GMTA!
;-)

re: #228 jcm

Winter driving in Portland OR.

With sound track.

544 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:52:46pm

re: #526 albusteve
Well not for ME!

545 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:53:19pm

re: #539 realwest

Hey! Some of 'em made it! LOL! Loved the dude in thr Range Rover (I think) who kept trying and trying!

Yeah, he tried like 3 times! I love how people would just stop at the bottom and you know they're thinking ok, how can I do this, I'm smarter than this hill and at the brink of slipping back down their clutching the wheel, come on come on come on come on come on. Followed by a NOOO!

546 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:53:37pm

re: #523 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The traitor should be chopped into little pieces. Then President Bush can say "I'm so sorry Mrs. and Mrs. Waker, I thought you wanted him partitioned, not pardoned".

Sometimes I pity that kid. What a young f*ck up.
But then I remember the good men that died in that fight.
I get over it.

547 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:54:12pm

re: #538 DesertSage

Yes steve...even for you.

thanks...really

548 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:54:36pm

re: #531 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


On the flip side of the coin, one of my uncles used to work for a company that serviced gas pumps at gas stations. Apparently this one guy who was a middle-manager for some CostCo type outfit hired on some Lebanese and Sri Lankans to run the various gas stations attached to the store, although they had some sort of monthly 'franchise fee' payable to the middle manager. Turns out that franchise fee was bogus, but the head office didn't find out until one of the Lebanese guys called the head office (since the middle-manager was unavailable) and asked for a few days extension on the 'franchsie fee'.

549 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:54:53pm

re: #543 jcm

Ha ha, yes, GMTA.
re: #545 bosforus

...back down their clutching the wheel...

All time highest grammar pet peeve GAZE!

550 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:55:31pm

re: #535 albusteve
"Geert implied VB had softened and he was now ready to join up with them" - That sucks. I always had the impression that Geert was an intelligent guy.

551 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:56:02pm

re: #549 bosforus

Ha ha, yes, GMTA.
re: #545 bosforus

All time highest grammar pet peeve GAZE!

I do that all the time.
Never see it after I post.
D'oh!

552 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:56:21pm

re: #537 Dustyvet
Ah Dusty? Keep on resisting that urge! LOL!

553 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:56:40pm

re: #551 jcm

I do that all the time.
Never see it after I post.
D'oh!

Once every few months for me. What a downer. I'll sleep restless tonight.

554 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:57:00pm

re: #544 realwest

Well not for ME!

we're all good to go bro...stay tuned...

555 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:57:16pm

re: #540 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


Wow! Can't wait 'til the War on Terror shifts to the decisive Courtroom phase! Lawyers and judges will save us from ourselves, I guess.

556 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:58:32pm

re: #550 realwest

"Geert implied VB had softened and he was now ready to join up with them" - That sucks. I always had the impression that Geert was an intelligent guy.

well that's the point...it's disheartening

557 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:58:45pm

Speaking of sleeping, guess I'll get ready for bed. Mrs. B went out with her gal pals and said she'd bring some home for me. That was three hours ago, I'm starving! All we've got in this house are fruit snacks!

558 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:58:46pm

re: #545 bosforus
Yep! LOL!

559 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:59:15pm

Wyomoing Wind Sock


Image: Wyomingwindsock.jpg

560 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:59:31pm

re: #557 bosforus

Speaking of sleeping, guess I'll get ready for bed. Mrs. B went out with her gal pals and said she'd bring some home for me. That was three hours ago, I'm starving! All we've got in this house are fruit snacks!

Ha ha, said she'd bring some food home for me. I should probably clear that one up. :)

561 avanti  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:59:38pm

re: #357 NomadOfNorad

They DON'T update the bloomin' image every time a satellite passes over your spot on the Earth, you dope! :P :P :P :P

I'm sure you are aware Google Earth has a street view in many areas. You can "drive" by your house and get a 360 degree, panoramic pan.

562 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 9:59:47pm

re: #547 albusteve
Hey you two, getta room would ya?!

563 bosforus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:00:24pm

Until tomorrow.
[bosforus out]

564 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:01:17pm

And yet another one- this one in Atlanta...An American female convert to the ROP. I bet her parents are such proud liberals!

Muslim woman jailed over head scarf
Associated Press
Published: 12/17/2008 3:45 PM

ATLANTA -- A Muslim woman arrested for refusing to take off her head scarf at a courthouse security checkpoint said Wednesday that she felt her human and civil rights were violated.

A judge ordered Lisa Valentine, 40, to serve 10 days in jail for contempt of court, said police in Douglasville, a city of about 20,000 people on Atlanta's west suburban outskirts.

Valentine violated a court policy that prohibits people from wearing any headgear in court, police said after they arrested her Tuesday.

Kelley Jackson, a spokeswoman for Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker, said state law doesn't permit or prohibit head scarfs.

"It's at the discretion of the judge and the sheriffs and is up to the security officers in the court house to enforce their decision," she said.

Valentine, who recently moved to Georgia from New Haven, Connecticut, said the incident reminded her of stories she'd heard of the civil rights-era South.

"I just felt stripped of my civil, my human rights," she said Wednesday from her home. She said she was unexpectedly released after the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations urged federal authorities to investigate the incident as well as others in Georgia.

The group cited a report that the same judge removed a woman and her 14-year-old daughter from the courtroom last week because they were wearing Muslim head scarves.

Jail officials declined to say why she was freed and municipal Court Judge Keith Rollins said that "it would not be appropriate" for him to comment on the case.

Last year, a judge in Valdosta in southern Georgia barred a Muslim woman from entering a courtroom because she would not remove her head scarf. There have been similar cases in other states, including Michigan, where a Muslim woman in Detroit filed a federal lawsuit in February 2007 after a judge dismissed her small-claims court case when she refused to remove a head and face veil.

Valentine's husband, Omar Hall, said his wife was accompanying her nephew to a traffic citation hearing when officials stopped her at the metal detector and told her she would not be allowed in the courtroom with the head scarf, known as a hijab.

Hall said Valentine, an insurance underwriter, told the bailiff that she had been in courtrooms before with the scarf on and that removing it would be a religious violation. When she turned to leave and uttered an expletive, Hall said a bailiff handcuffed her and took her before the judge.

565 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:01:26pm

Here is a fun page if you are a thinking of dying in your bed.
Wiki's List of Unusual Deaths

566 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:02:54pm

re: #565 rawmuse

Here is a fun page if you are a thinking of dying in your bed.
Wiki's List of Unusual Deaths

Raw, how are you?

567 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:02:56pm

re: #565 rawmuse

Here is a fun page if you are a thinking of dying in your bed.
Wiki's List of Unusual Deaths

I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Uncle Ed.
Not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

568 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:03:11pm

re: #548 Fenway_Nation

The other thing they're well known for is collecting taxes on gas and cigs, and not paying them.

569 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:03:44pm

re: #567 jcm

I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Uncle Ed.
Not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

It's got hairs on it JCM.

570 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:03:53pm

re: #559 Dustyvet

Wyomoing Wind Sock


[Link: i162.photobucket.com...]

I've seen people jump in that shit...that's when we get our lawn chairs out of the hangar and grab our video cameras.

571 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:04:29pm

re: #560 bosforus

Ha ha, said she'd bring some food home for me. I should probably clear that one up. :)

I was about to make a smart-ass comment... : )

572 albusteve  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:04:43pm

re: #562 realwest

Hey you two, getta room would ya?!

getthefuckoutahere...it's important to me not to make enemies...iron fist

573 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:05:12pm

re: #569 Walter L. Newton

It's got hairs on it JCM.

You mean I'm not being held over?

574 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:05:50pm

re: #566 Walter L. Newton

Raw, how are you?

I am fine. I lost an old friend today, but he had been ill. It was not unexpected. But, yes, a little blue. I will be OK. Like everyone else who knew this man, I just thank God we had him among us while we did.

575 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:06:06pm

re: #565 rawmuse
Ah, geez, y'all shoulda put up the "Toilet-related injury" link instead! [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

576 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:06:54pm

re: #565 rawmuse

Here is a fun page if you are a thinking of dying in your bed.
Wiki's List of Unusual Deaths

This one is interesting- 1911: Jack Daniel, founder of the Tennessee whiskey distillery, died of blood poisoning six years after receiving a toe injury when he kicked his safe in anger at being unable to remember its combination.

577 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:07:33pm

re: #574 rawmuse

I am fine. I lost an old friend today, but he had been ill. It was not unexpected. But, yes, a little blue. I will be OK. Like everyone else who knew this man, I just thank God we had him among us while we did.

I saw you mentioned this earlier, that's why I asked. A very nice thing you said there. Hug.

578 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:07:42pm

re: #568 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


Actually, it was the guy who hired them who was milking them to the tune of a couple of hundred per month for each location. Apparently the Lebanese didn't suspect anything until they called the corporate headquarters to ask for a deadline extention for a payment they never had to make and were told over the phone 'We don't charge a franchise fee'.

579 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:07:59pm
Current margin:
Coleman
+358
Ballots reviewed:415

The good news is that completes the Franken challenges, pending court rulings.

/the bad news is that Coleman has ~1000 challenges and, statistically, that's bad math for him

580 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:08:20pm

re: #577 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, man.

581 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:08:31pm

re: #574 rawmuse
Ah crap. You talked about this last night - wondering how you would be strong and all. So it wasn't a surprise that he died, but I'll bet still a shock to you system.
My sympathies and condolences to you and prayers for him.

582 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:08:32pm

re: #573 jcm

You mean I'm not being held over?

You're moving to the top of the bill, you can perform for the bartender and the cigarette girl.

583 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:08:40pm

re: #565 rawmuse

Here is a fun page if you are a thinking of dying in your bed.
Wiki's List of Unusual Deaths

You know how people say, "they died, peacefully, in their sleep"?

Yeah, well, I don't believe it. Just because no one was there to hear the screaming doesn't mean it didn't happen!

/

584 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:08:54pm

re: #582 Walter L. Newton

You're moving to the top of the bill, you can perform for the bartender and the cigarette girl.

LOL!

585 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:09:22pm

re: #576 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

This one is interesting- 1911: Jack Daniel, founder of the Tennessee whiskey distillery, died of blood poisoning six years after receiving a toe injury when he kicked his safe in anger at being unable to remember its combination.

The reason it's interesting is when we were kids, we'd drink Jack Daniels and when we'd get trashed we'd say "Uncle Jack kicked my ass". It's rather ironic.

586 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:10:10pm

re: #579 Killian Bundy

I watched the live feed of a lot of Franken's challenges yesterday...it was beyond absurd at best.

587 jcm  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:10:48pm

re: #583 SummerSong

You know how people say, "they died, peacefully, in their sleep"?

Yeah, well, I don't believe it. Just because no one was there to hear the screaming doesn't mean it didn't happen!

/

On the fire department we called it waking up dead.

Usually it would be the wife waking up, and finding the husband had died during the night. Lot of calls 5-7am for that.

588 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:11:21pm

re: #579 Killian Bundy
Killian - sorry for being confused here, but is that 1000 votes for Coleman that the thief Franken is challenging? And if so, why is it bad for Coleman?

589 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:11:26pm

re: #585 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The reason it's interesting is when we were kids, we'd drink Jack Daniels and when we'd get trashed we'd say "Uncle Jack kicked my ass". It's rather ironic.

Not "kids" but in high school and college.

590 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:13:34pm

Damn! I didn't win the $50 million powerball drawing. AGAIN! Can I demand a recount?

591 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:13:37pm

re: #581 realwest

I never got a chance, he expired before I arrived. But, I saw the widow and the family and got to comfort them. This guy was special, I called him my "Mexican Uncle" because he was Mexican, and I am no parts Mexican, anywhere on me ever. We worked a lot together, especially in years past. We made some money together. Shit, I remember a time when we could not STOP making money, even if we tried. That seems like a dim memory now. RIP El Don.

592 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:13:53pm

re: #576 Ozark Mountain Daredevil Heh, how about "George II of Great Britain died on the toilet on October 25, 1760 from an aortic dissection. According to Horace Walpole's memoirs, King George "rose as usual at six, and drank his chocolate; for all his actions were invariably methodic. A quarter after seven he went into a little closet. His German valet de chambre in waiting heard a noise, and running in, found the King dead on the floor."

"American film producer Don Simpson was found dead on the toilet on January 19, 1996. Although his death was officially attributed to natural causes, rumours and tabloid magazines claim he died from a drug overdose."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

593 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:15:05pm

re: #586 JumpLandPackRepeat

I watched the live feed of a lot of Franken's challenges yesterday...it was beyond absurd at best.

You thought Coleman voters couldn't fill out a ballot correctly?

/I can't wait for tomorrow to see what manner of bizarre ballots Franken voters are capable of, unfortunately, if Coleman really does have 1000 challenges, he's not going to win enough to keep the lead

594 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:15:27pm

re: #591 rawmuse
I'm sorry to hear that my friend. It's extremely hard to lose someone you care for so much. Again, my sympathies and condolences.

595 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:16:29pm

re: #592 realwest

Elvis also, rw- The King died on the Throne!

596 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:16:51pm

re: #592 realwest

aortic dissection

That's what my dad died of. Not nice, really nasty way to go. He blew up like a basketball full of blood.

597 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:17:01pm

re: #592 realwest

Heh, how about "George II of Great Britain died on the toilet on October 25, 1760 from an aortic dissection. According to Horace Walpole's memoirs, King George "rose as usual at six, and drank his chocolate; for all his actions were invariably methodic. A quarter after seven he went into a little closet. His German valet de chambre in waiting heard a noise, and running in, found the King dead on the floor."

"American film producer Don Simpson was found dead on the toilet on January 19, 1996. Although his death was officially attributed to natural causes, rumours and tabloid magazines claim he died from a drug overdose."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Orville Redenbacher

Orville Redenbacher, founder of the popcorn company that bears his name, was born in 1907 in Brazil, Indiana. Millions came to know him through his folksy television commercials for the specialty popcorn he invented.

He sold the company to Hunt-Wesson Foods in 1976 but remained as a spokesperson until September 20, 1995, when he was found dead in a whirlpool bathtub in his condominium, having drowned after suffering a heart attack.

598 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:17:37pm

re: #588 realwest

Killian - sorry for being confused here, but is that 1000 votes for Coleman that the thief Franken is challenging? And if so, why is it bad for Coleman?

They're ballots Coleman is challenging. Statistically, he'll lose most of them just like Franken did with his 415 challenges.

/most of 1000 equals not good

599 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:18:20pm

re: #591 rawmuse

I never got a chance, he expired before I arrived. But, I saw the widow and the family and got to comfort them. This guy was special, I called him my "Mexican Uncle" because he was Mexican, and I am no parts Mexican, anywhere on me ever. We worked a lot together, especially in years past. We made some money together. Shit, I remember a time when we could not STOP making money, even if we tried. That seems like a dim memory now. RIP El Don.

Sorry to hear that raw- I like the name "El Don".

600 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:18:50pm

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- President-elect Barack Obama has picked GOP Rep. Ray LaHood of Illinois to be his nominee for transportation secretary, two sources told CNN on Wednesday.

Republican from Ill. That's funny.

601 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:19:57pm

Two rednecks were looking at a Sears catalog and admiring the models.
One says to the other, 'Have you seen the beautiful girls in this catalog?'
The second one replies, 'Yes, they are very beautiful. And look at the price!'
The first one says, with wide eyes, 'Wow, they aren't very expensive. At this price, I'm buying one.'
The second one smiles and pats him on the back. 'Good idea! Order one and if she's as beautiful as she is in the catalog, I will get one too.'
Three weeks later, the youngest redneck asks his friend, 'Did you ever receive the girl you ordered from the Sears catalog?'
The second redneck replies, 'No, but it shouldn't be long now. I got her clothes yesterday!

602 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:20:45pm

re: #596 Walter L. Newton
Gah - I'm sorry to hear that Walter - I'd never heard of it until I'd read it in Wiki.

603 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:21:27pm

re: #597 Dustyvet
That can't be right! I just saw him on a TV commercial!

604 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:22:55pm

re: #597 Dustyvet

Orville Redenbacher

Orville Redenbacher, founder of the popcorn company that bears his name, was born in 1907 in Brazil, Indiana. Millions came to know him through his folksy television commercials for the specialty popcorn he invented.

He sold the company to Hunt-Wesson Foods in 1976 but remained as a spokesperson until September 20, 1995, when he was found dead in a whirlpool bathtub in his condominium, having drowned after suffering a heart attack.

To this day, I still make Orville Redenbacher popcorn the old fashioned way- cooked on the stove in a cast iron pot with coconut oil, and I pour melted butter on it, like movie theaters did in the 1950's.
The house smells so unbelievably good for a few hours afterwards.

605 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:23:53pm

re: #601 JimmyTheClaw

Two rednecks were looking at a Sears catalog and admiring the models.
One says to the other, 'Have you seen the beautiful girls in this catalog?'
The second one replies, 'Yes, they are very beautiful. And look at the price!'
The first one says, with wide eyes, 'Wow, they aren't very expensive. At this price, I'm buying one.'
The second one smiles and pats him on the back. 'Good idea! Order one and if she's as beautiful as she is in the catalog, I will get one too.'
Three weeks later, the youngest redneck asks his friend, 'Did you ever receive the girl you ordered from the Sears catalog?'
The second redneck replies, 'No, but it shouldn't be long now. I got her clothes yesterday!

ROFLMAO!

606 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:25:15pm

re: #604 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

To this day, I still make Orville Redenbacher popcorn the old fashioned way- cooked on the stove in a cast iron pot with coconut oil, and I pour melted butter on it, like movie theaters did in the 1950's.
The house smells so unbelievably good for a few hours afterwards.

12:25 am and I want popcorn...:)

607 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:25:27pm

re: #604 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

To this day, I still make Orville Redenbacher popcorn the old fashioned way- cooked on the stove in a cast iron pot with coconut oil, and I pour melted butter on it, like movie theaters did in the 1950's.
The house smells so unbelievably good for a few hours afterwards.

I'm glad I was eating a bowl of oatmeal when you made this comment else I would have been throwing some clothes on and venturing out in 26 degree weather to get some popcorn.

Bit the bullet on that one!

608 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:26:23pm

re: #598 Killian Bundy
Is it possible for Coleman to quit while he's still ahead - can he call off the challenges or if he does that will they all stand for Franken?

I can't believe we are now one week from Christmas and Minnesotans STILL don't know who their next US Senator is gonna be.
Still and all those are Franken ballots,could be that Coleman had really good reason to challenge them.
He needs to successfully challenge like 616 of 'em, though.
Crap. I kept hoping the Dems wouldn't steal or buy another election.

609 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:27:54pm

re: #606 Dustyvet

re: #607 Walter L. Newton

Nothing is better than Orville Redenbacher popcorn. But never, NEVER the microwave crap. Well, okay, some things are better.

610 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:28:31pm

re: #601 JimmyTheClaw
ROFL! Updinged that one!

611 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:30:08pm

Hall & Oates pay tribute to Alan Colmes

LOL. [Link: www.hulu.com...]

612 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:30:15pm

re: #604 Ozark Mountain Daredevil I hate to say this, but that was a rotten thing for y'all to post at 1:30 AM here.
Damn, gonna be dreaming about that all night tonight!

613 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:30:37pm

re: #608 realwest

Is it possible for Coleman to quit while he's still ahead - can he call off the challenges or if he does that will they all stand for Franken?

I can't believe we are now one week from Christmas and Minnesotans STILL don't know who their next US Senator is gonna be.
Still and all those are Franken ballots,could be that Coleman had really good reason to challenge them.
He needs to successfully challenge like 616 of 'em, though.
Crap. I kept hoping the Dems wouldn't steal or buy another election.

Well neither does Illinois...:p

614 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:31:16pm

re: #613 Dustyvet

Well neither does Illinois...:p

But the bids on Ebay are still coming in...:)

615 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:34:45pm

re: #583 SummerSong

You know how people say, "they died, peacefully, in their sleep"?

Yeah, well, I don't believe it. Just because no one was there to hear the screaming doesn't mean it didn't happen!

/

There is the joke of someone saying "I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather, and not screaming in terror like his passengers"

616 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:36:18pm

re: #611 SummerSong

Hall & Oates pay tribute to Alan Colmes

LOL. [Link: www.hulu.com...]

Was that George Carlin on the 6 string upstage?

617 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:36:20pm

re: #608 realwest

Is it possible for Coleman to quit while he's still ahead - can he call off the challenges or if he does that will they all stand for Franken?

I can't believe we are now one week from Christmas and Minnesotans STILL don't know who their next US Senator is gonna be.
Still and all those are Franken ballots,could be that Coleman had really good reason to challenge them.
He needs to successfully challenge like 616 of 'em, though.
Crap. I kept hoping the Dems wouldn't steal or buy another election.

Every challenge Coleman withdraws will benefit Franken, either directly or by giving up on a perceived Coleman vote. You can be damn sure I'm going to be there at 9:00 a.m. watching the live play be play feed. It's going to be interesting, for sure. As to the fairness, I've been impressed so far. You get to see every ballot they vote on and, after two days, there's been less than a dozen decisions that I would disagree with. The contested ballots are falling where they should.

/oh, and one way or the other, this election will end up being decided in the courts, so don't hold your breath

618 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:39:26pm

re: #611 SummerSong

Hall & Oates pay tribute to Alan Colmes

LOL. [Link: www.hulu.com...]

That was funny? As usual, John Leibovitz, AKA Stewart, shows how stupid he is. It just goes to show all these libtards who slam Fox have never watched it. Colmes the only liberal? And girlie-man Stewart wanting to punch Hannity? The girly-man about 5'4".

619 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:40:40pm

Has anyone seen "FROST/NIXON"?
Hugh Hewitt saw it, and said it was great.

620 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:40:46pm

Two backwoods hick sisters go to get their picture taken...one sister watches the photog mess with his camera as he makes adjustments and she says to her sister, "What's he doin'?". The sister says, "He's tryin' to focus." the other sister says, "Bofe us?"

My oldest son's first joke at the age of 7:

How do you make a tissue dance? Put a little boogie in it.

621 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:41:48pm

re: #612 realwest

I hate to say this, but that was a rotten thing for y'all to post at 1:30 AM here.
Damn, gonna be dreaming about that all night tonight!

Geez, I thought I insulted you. But hey, just look for coconut oil where they sell regular Crisco Oil at your local store.

622 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:41:56pm

In Britain: A Royal Air Force pilot returned to active duty after getting sex change surgery to become a woman. There were no problems in the air. But for some reason—after landing—the pilot no longer knew how to parallel park the plane.

623 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:43:26pm

re: #619 rawmuse

Has anyone seen "FROST/NIXON"?
Hugh Hewitt saw it, and said it was great.

I saw Frost. It was very cold this morning.
/

624 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:43:42pm

re: #621 Ozark Mountain Daredevil No that ain't it - I don't have any popcorn!
Could always try with Crisco or Olive oil, but FIRST I GOTTA HAVE POPCORN! Damn.

625 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:43:52pm

re: #622 Dustyvet

In Britain: A Royal Air Force pilot returned to active duty after getting sex change surgery to become a woman. There were no problems in the air. But for some reason—after landing—the pilot no longer knew how to parallel park the plane.

LMAO...that's the ONLY thing I could do correctly during my first driving exam.

626 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:44:19pm

re: #623 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

We had frost in San Francisco this morning. A rare sight indeed.

627 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:44:55pm

Never let it be said that ground crews and engineers of Qantas lack a sense of humor. Here are some logged maintenance complaints by Qantas pilots and the corrective action recorded by mechanics. By the way, Qantas is the only major airline that has never had an accident. Problem stands for the problem the pilots entered in the log, and Solution stands for the corrective action taken by the mechanics.

Problem: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement.

Solution: Almost replaced left inside main tire

Problem: Test flight OK, except autoland very rough.

Solution: Autoland not installed on this aircraft.

Problem: Something loose in cockpit.

Solution: Something tightened in cockpit.

Problem: Dead bugs on windshield.

Solution: Live bugs on backorder.

Problem: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200-fpm descent.

Solution: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.

Problem: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear.

Solution: Evidence removed.

Problem: DME volume unbelievably loud.

Solution: DME volume set to more believable level.

Problem: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick.

Solution: That's what they're there for.

Problem: IFF inoperative.

Solution: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode.

Problem: Suspected crack in windscreen.

Solution: Suspect you're right.

Problem: Number 3 engine missing. (note: this was for a piston-engine airplane; the pilot meant the engine was not running smoothly)

Solution: Engine found on right wing after brief search.

Problem: Aircraft handles funny.

Solution: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious.

Problem: Radar hums.

Solution: Reprogrammed radar with words.

Problem: Mouse in cockpit.

Solution: Cat installed

628 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:45:31pm

re: #624 realwest

No that ain't it - I don't have any popcorn!
Could always try with Crisco or Olive oil, but FIRST I GOTTA HAVE POPCORN! Damn.

Well geez, realwest, I don't have any here either- I'm out, otherwise I'd email some to you.

629 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:45:37pm

re: #622 Dustyvet
Oh geez, what is it, bring out the old jokes time tonight?
Hell Dusty, I save mine for when there are younger lizards out here cause they may never have heard them before!

Got any more?
:)

630 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:45:57pm

re: #611 SummerSong

Hall & Oates pay tribute to Alan Colmes

LOL. [Link: www.hulu.com...]

"The barest shadow of a person..."

It's always interesting when liberals finally come clean with their true feelings about some of their own.

631 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:46:33pm

re: #626 rawmuse

We had frost in San Francisco this morning. A rare sight indeed.

And I posted above I think, or maybe the previous thread, that Vegas got 8 inches of snow.

632 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:46:37pm

re: #627 Dustyvet

That one always gets a chuckle out of me.

633 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:47:51pm

re: #628 Ozark Mountain Daredevil LOL! Well hell, that's right thoughty of you!

634 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:48:06pm

re: #629 realwest

Oh geez, what is it, bring out the old jokes time tonight?
Hell Dusty, I save mine for when there are younger lizards out here cause they may never have heard them before!

Got any more?
:)

I'm young in lizard years...bring the jokes!

635 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:48:22pm

re: #627 Dustyvet

An oldie but a goodie! Upding for that!

636 BignJames  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:48:46pm

re: #620 JumpLandPackRepeat

Boogie?

637 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:48:55pm

re: #631 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

We've been getting snow here off and on since the end of October. We usually have a green Christmas in my neck of the woods. We have a winter storm watch in effect for tonight and tomorrow (Friday). I am still looking for my global warming.

638 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:49:57pm

re: #633 realwest

LOL! Well hell, that's right thoughty of you!

Ummm, how do I attach popcorn to an email? Wait, I'm out here also. Never mind.

639 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:50:15pm

re: #634 JumpLandPackRepeat

I'm young in lizard years...bring the jokes!

The King of Speed

/joke or truth, you decide

640 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:51:03pm

re: #637 BlueCanuck

We've been getting snow here off and on since the end of October. We usually have a green Christmas in my neck of the woods. We have a winter storm watch in effect for tonight and tomorrow (Friday). I am still looking for my global warming.

You need to go to Las Vegas. They got about 8 inches of glo-bull warmiing.

641 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:51:35pm

A man goes skydiving for the first time. After listening to the instructor for what seems like days, he is ready to go. Excited, he jumps out of the airplane. After a bit, he pulls the ripcord. Nothing happens. He tries again. Still nothing. He starts to panic, but remembers his back-up chute. He pulls that cord. Nothing happens...

He frantically begins pulling both cords, but to no avail. Suddenly, he looks down and he can't believe his eyes. Another man is in the air with him, but this guy is going *up*!

Just as the other guy passes by, the skydiver -- by this time scared out of his wits -- yells, "Hey, do you know anything about skydiving?"

The other guy yells back, "No! Do you know anything about gas stoves?"

642 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:51:50pm

re: #616 Walter L. Newton

Was that George Carlin on the 6 string upstage?

I can't place that guy, but he looked so familiar!

643 Cheechako  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:52:02pm

I like the popcorn the Boy Scouts sell as a fund raiser. Good popcorn and makes a ton of dollars for the Scouts.

644 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:52:34pm

re: #638 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ummm, how do I attach popcorn to an email? Wait, I'm out here also. Never mind.

Wait- isn't there pop-mail?

645 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:53:27pm

re: #638 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ummm, how do I attach popcorn to an email? Wait, I'm out here also. Never mind.

Popcorn

/provide shipping address(es), free two day shipping

646 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:54:50pm

re: #639 Killian Bundy

That was a ripper, that was!

647 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:55:10pm

re: #618 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That was funny? As usual, John Leibovitz, AKA Stewart, shows how stupid he is. It just goes to show all these libtards who slam Fox have never watched it. Colmes the only liberal? And girlie-man Stewart wanting to punch Hannity? The girly-man about 5'4".

Funny to me in that they acknowledge what a douche Colmes was...is.

I loathe Colmes...

648 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:55:35pm

re: #633 realwest


Wait- isn't there pop-mail?

Yep- Post Office Protocol (POP) e-mail. So next time I have some popcorn, check your inbox. You'll need about a quart-sized bag.

649 SpaceJesus  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:55:49pm

I need to stop doing acid

650 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:55:53pm

re: #636 BignJames

OMG...Boogies are the best! Especially if there is a pygmy mau mau. That is a TOP SECRET ceremony, not to be confused with a usual "first", but the more the merrier! For the record, only my husband is 'righteous'...I'm just a regular Pygmy.

651 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:56:29pm

re: #645 Killian Bundy

Popcorn

/provide shipping address(es), free two day shipping

Microwave popcorn, heretic?

/

652 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:57:50pm

re: #634 JumpLandPackRepeat
Well, I meant in actual years, but I'll give it a try:
Mark Twain was walking down the streets of Joplin, Mo. when he chanced upon an old female freind. Mark said "My dear,it's good to see you again, but I must say you don't look very well." She replied "it's good to see you too, but I've been feeling poorly for a couple of weeks now and the doc doesn't know whats wrong with me".
Mark responded "Well my dear, the answer is simple, you must stop drinking a quart of whiskey everyday!" She replied, with great indignation, "Sir, I am a founding member of the Women's Christian Temperance Union and alcohol NEVER passes my lips!" Mark, unruffled, replied "Well then the answer is plain as day: you absolutely must stop smoking big black cigars every few hours!" She drew herself up and said "Kind freind, I never touch tobacco - it's nasty and evil!"
And Mark responded "Well then there is your problem: in times of moral crisis you have no excess baggage to throw overboard."

I always keep a little excess baggage to throw overboard, myself!

653 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:58:15pm

I got a half a six pack of beer, it's dark out, and I'm not wearing sunglasses.

/Channeling the Blues Brothers.

654 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:58:46pm

re: #640 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

heh, we got about that half that yesterday. It's going to be a long winter I think.

655 JumpLandPackRepeat  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 10:59:31pm

re: #641 Dustyvet

What's the difference between a golfer and a skydiver?

Golfer: "Whack!" "Fuck!"

Skydiver: "Fuck!" "Whack!"

656 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:02:02pm

re: #639 Killian Bundy
Hey Killian - I'll take Truth - but it was funny even if it was a joke! LOL!

657 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:02:14pm

re: #655 JumpLandPackRepeat

I could never understand the concept of jumping out of a perfectly servicable aircraft.

658 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:02:16pm

re: #649 SpaceJesus

I need to stop doing acid

People still do that?

659 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:03:13pm

re: #641 Dustyvet
Ah, another oldie but a goodie! Thanks Dusty!

660 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:03:34pm

re: #654 BlueCanuck

heh, we got about that half that yesterday. It's going to be a long winter I think.

Hell, I love winter- Julie and I snuggling up by the fireplace. And the dogs wanted to snuggle up also (That I don't enjoy as much, so they go out in the yard).

661 x-wing  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:04:40pm

re: #649 SpaceJesus

I need to stop doing acid

A minus 46 karma with 121 post. What you need to do is quit posting stupid comments. Or better yet quit posting.

662 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:06:39pm

re: #661 x-wing

A minus 46 karma with 121 post. What you need to do is quit posting stupid comments. Or better yet quit posting.

That has to be a record, and not a good one.

663 x-wing  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:09:26pm

re: #662 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Wish it were a record, but the other night we got a sock puppet with minus 73 and only 12 posts I think, before Charles dropped the hammer. It was fun to watch.

664 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:10:40pm

re: #655 JumpLandPackRepeat
What you didn't like my Mark Twain story in 652?!

665 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:11:05pm

re: #662 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Well there was a poster that got down to -700 before the hammer was dropped. Only was around for about a couple of months. Did it in small increments too.

666 realwest  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:12:49pm

Well hell y'all it's late and I gotta get some sleep!
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

667 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:15:11pm

re: #665 BlueCanuck

Well there was a poster that got down to -700 before the hammer was dropped. Only was around for about a couple of months. Did it in small increments too.

Yeah, it made the mistake of running afoul of the LGF "Dingdown Brigade".

/once you get them frothed up it's pile on every comment, no matter what the comment is!

668 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:16:27pm

re: #666 realwest

Ships passing in the night, goodbye hello.

669 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:17:36pm

Saw the last thread on searches, good , added a request to keep the How To around.

670 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:21:53pm

re: #669 lifeofthemind

Saw the last thread on searches, good , added a request to keep the How To around.

/just add the thread to your favorites (use the heart icon)

671 SummerSong  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:23:15pm

re: #661 x-wing

A minus 46 karma with 121 post. What you need to do is quit posting stupid comments. Or better yet quit posting.

Free your mind, the rest will follow.

672 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:23:18pm

re: #666 realwest

Well hell y'all it's late and I gotta get some sleep!
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Later, rw...

673 shanec99  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 12:41:54am

re: #512 MandyManners
Mandy, I believe that life begins at birth... how can I be that and no be pro life... but because I am pro life does not mean I do not support a right to privacy.
I will use what ever argument comes at my disposal if it has a strong possibililty of passing the smell test.
I believe in Privacy, and this is one area where the Liberals and I agree, some things should be private. Like the God I worship, my sexual orientation and whom I decide to sleep with, and what I do in within the confines of my home.

674 mindy1  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 4:32:26am

What beautiful shots-science is amazing sometimes isn't it?

675 Ron Shaw  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 6:30:22am

...gaseous remnants of dying sunlike stars.

Light a match!

676 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 6:55:42am

Sweet!

677 charles_martel  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 7:31:29am

I always wanted to be an astronomer...

678 EuskalHerria  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 10:56:34am

Kaixo!

What a beautiful picture! As I understand it, the Sun is a typical G-Series star lying on the main sequence of the H-R Diagram. It has roughly 2.5 billion years left as a stable, hydrogen-fueled (via thermonuclear reactions) star amenable to sustaining life on Earth. After this period, it will have "burnt up" 10 percent of its hydrogen and its central core will collapse until fusion moves outwards to a shell surrounding the core, where hydrogen is still plentiful. The Sun will expand and the outer surface cools and appears red-the Sun has become a Red Giant. In the core, nuclear fusion into carbon and oxygen. Eventually the Sun will bake the inner planets (including Earth) and its surface will engulf Mercury. Finally the Sun will become a white dwarf, and after billions of years of cooling, will end up as a black dwarf. Not to worry, though! We won't be around to bask in its warmth and shiver in its ultimate freezing!

Gero arte!

679 realburke  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 12:55:13pm

Sublime

680 sffilk  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 1:37:03pm

KEWL!

681 MagnaniomousCoward  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:36:03am

Where are the globular clusters?

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