We at least they made an attempt for peace!
/

Shocka!

re: #1 WrathofG-d

Yeah. While they reload.

Well?
They're all dressed up!
Lets give 'em what they want!
I need more popcorn!

To Know What Is Really Going On In The Middle East Conflict...READ ABOUT THE PHASED PLAN

The plan has three main articles:

Through the "armed struggle" (i.e., terrorism), to establish an "independent combatant national authority" over any territory that is "liberated" from Israeli rule. (Article 2)

To continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations. (Article 4)

To provoke an all-out war in which Israel's Arab neighbors destroy it entirely ("liberate all Palestinian territory"). (Article 8)

Cease fire to Hamas = Get more ammo!

"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want."
- General William T. Sherman

re: #6 reloadingisnotahobby

Cease fire to Hamas = Get more ammo!

...and more camels.

"The calm is over."

I must have missed that 'calm'...

This is jihad.
Jihad never ends.
Jihad needs to be destroyed.

re: #6 reloadingisnotahobby

Cease fire to Hamas = Get more ammo!

That reminds me...
there added to my to do list.

Why does Israel keep agreeing to these "ceasefires," anyway? They have to know what Hamas is really up to.

Clearly this is all Israel's fault.

//

re: #11 jcm
I have HEAT in my shop now!
WoooHooo!

re: #12 Fat Jolly Penguin

My standard answer for this is: because Israel is currently being "led" by a despicable, leftist dhimmi idiot Jew.

re: #13 Ford_Prefect

Clearly this is all Israel's Bush's fault.

//

Hamas declares the end of a ceasefire?

Alrighty then. IDF - let 'er rip!

Know your HUDNA
(what us stupid Westerners incorrectly refer to as a "cease fire")

yawn

Hamas is now post-peace. Rage-boy has his new, tossable aladin shoes and is ready to hold dead babies for photo-ops.

re: #17 Racer X

Don't hold your breath.

re: #14 reloadingisnotahobby

I have HEAT in my shop now!
WoooHooo!

You taking orders?

as Duke Nukem used to say..."come get some"...
my hero

re: #8 Jetpilot1101

...and more camels.

and goats

Did I miss the "calm" he talks about? I don't think Hamas understands the term "cease-fire".

Hamas crushed Fatah. They consider themselves a victorious army, fully equipped and with high morale. Only military defeat with change this mentality.

Now Israel can go get Shalit without risking international condemnation.
/ItsAthought

re: #9 scottishbuzzsaw

I must have missed that 'calm'...

Yeah, Israelis did too. . .

re: #2 DisturbedEma

In related news the sky is blue and BHO is an african american

re: #18 WrathofG-d

Hudna?
4 cycle?...2cycle...in this case pick a 3 cycle!

NOw, answer me this.

Will the coming military op against SAMAH be easier or harder than if the IDF was allowed to go in 6 months ago?

It's useless to do anything but defeat them. The political leaders of the West that are so repeatedly naive and cynical bear responsibility for not ending the Hamas mess. And letting themselves have their foreign policies defined by a child death cult. I'm thinking Rice, Clinton, Europe, the UN. The UN is not needed anymore.

There was a ceasefire?

re: #29 GopManHatTanIte

and BHO is an african american

NIRTH!

They need to fight a new war to get milk and hearing aid batteries for the starving children of Gaza!

Don't you people watch the news? Geeesh!

/

re: #33 jharada

I think Carter may have brokered it haha

re: #22 jcm

Only from the wife and a wacky cowboy shooter at the moment!
May buy a progressive and mass pro...9,10,mm and .40,.45!

re: #15 WriterMom

My standard answer for this is: because Israel is currently being "led" by a despicable, leftist dhimmi idiot suicidal Jew.

You forgot something...

One sure way to stop Hamas from throwing people off high buildings to flatten Gaza. Its about time.

re: #37 reloadingisnotahobby

Only from the wife and a wacky cowboy shooter at the moment!
May buy a progressive and mass pro...9,10,mm and .40,.45!

LOL!

I don't think I could talk my wife in the outlay for reloading gear.

Hamas will no longer be sending peace-Katusha rockets into Israel. It's war-Katusha rockets time.

After Jan. 20th Israel is not going to have a friend in the White House.
Whatever they need to do to improve their situation, I would suggest do it now.

re: #29 GopManHatTanIte

In related news the sky is blue and BHO is an african american

hmm

God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen.

Sing along with me:

All we are saying is give peace a chance,

All we are saying is give peace a chance,

All we are saying is...Holy shit! That's a rocket!

Fuck this peace BS, where's my damn rifle?!?!?!?

re: #37 reloadingisnotahobbyDillon 650 with the case feeder is the way to go!

Hamas does not know what END means!

re: #47 notutopia

Hamas does not know what END means!

Or peace.

re: #40 jcm

I don't think I could either!
I've had 90% of my equip for 35 years!
Then again...your only looking at 200-300 buck for a nice kit!

re: #39 venezuela lover

One sure way to stop Hamas from throwing people off high buildings to flatten Gaza. Its about time.

don't make me laugh...not only will Israel not flatten Gaza they will not even return fire from the rocket attacks...Israel is very comfortable just to sit on it's ass and do nothing...only civil unrest will move them...I doubt Hamas will move against them in anything less than tiny degrees...why should they?

Video: A protest where it counts

Let them have their shoe-thrower.

THIS is TRUE courage.

THIS is speaking truth to power.

Should be a thread.

Hamas knows that hudnas work. They also know that terrorists will never be held accountable for their actions when everything can be blamed on Israel.

"The calm, which was reached with Egyptian sponsorship on June 19 and expires on December 19, is finished because the enemy did not abide by its obligations," said Hamas official Ayman Taha, who represented the group in talks with other Palestinian factions. "The calm is over."

"We, on the other hand, have no responsibilities or obligations. That's because we hate Jew."

re: #10 WriterMom

This is jihad.
Jihad never ends.
Jihad needs to be destroyed.

Just so.

One's got to wonder why it is that we, not living in the ME, have learned about hudna and taqqia - but that so many politicinas here in the West and apparently in Israel itself seem utterly unaware of this.

I hope some people in the IDF and Mossad have a grasp of these concepts, and their meaning for Israel's survival.

O/T,

..so when do we get to vote on the Fiskie/ Fallaci nominations?

re: #40 jcm

LOL!

I don't think I could talk my wife in the outlay for reloading gear.

Doesn't have to be a lot of bucks- Lee Pro 100 from Midway, simple powder scale, less than $200- catch a sale and it's quite a bit less.
Progressive press, loads a couple 100 rounds an hour easily.

re: #46 revobob
Yes ! It is !

re: #49 reloadingisnotahobby

I don't think I could either!
I've had 90% of my equip for 35 years!
Then again...your only looking at 200-300 buck for a nice kit!

At current ammo prices break even only is only after a few rounds.

re: #3 Bumr50

Yeah. While they reload.

A well-know tactic used by Muhammed himself.

this is just fair warning to 0bama that 1-20-2009 the war starts

Israel will be attacked from all sides

and finally be destroyed

and we can finally live in peace since the reason for all hatred will have been destroyed and Islam will finally be peaceful

/sarcasm !

except the Israel is doomed part

re: #44 MandyManners

God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen.

Pass the tissues please.

re: #55 astronmr20

O/T,

..so when do we get to vote on the Fiskie/ Fallaci nominations?

I asked this the other day and never heard back

gotta be soon

re: #51 Ben Hur

There will never be peace until the left and the MSM publicize dissedents like this Iranian student, more than a feral anti-American (West) "journalist" activist.

re: #48 Ford_Prefect

The religion refers truce as Hudna...which is not cease fire...
No it is not peace either...

re: #47 notutopia

Hamas does not know what END means!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Assassinating Hamas leaders is one option being explored as Israeli troops prepare for the end of the ceasefire, according to a Thursday report in the Israeli daily paper Maariv.

---
This might enlighten them.

Hamas - " Besides education, peace, prosperity, jobs, a pretty darn good irrigation system, agriculture and hope...what have the Israelis done for us?"...
/major league sarc

re: #42 opnion

After Jan. 20th Israel is not going to have a friend in the White House.
Whatever they need to do to improve their situation, I would suggest do it now.

[Link: drybonesblog.blogspot.com...]

re: #60 Adrenalyn

except the Israel is doomed part

They were fine without the US in 1967; they'll be ok again. They have gotten used to the world leaving them in a lurch, and are prepared to do what is necessary.

One of these days, Israel will never allow the Hamsistani's the ability to wave the white flag again...

Hpefully it happens before the Hamasholes and Iranians kill any more Israeli's.

The end of the truce mean that Samantha Powers can order the invasion.
.
.
..
Of Israel.

re: #61 scottishbuzzsaw

Pass the tissues please.

*tissues*

re: #54 yma o hyd

The people in the Shabak (GSS) know what we are up against. There are also a lot of people in the IDF that know. However, the IDF (in my opinion) has become quite politicized to the left in the past few decades and its hands are tied. The Israeli leftist political establishment has also been pushing the bullsh*t line that this is a political problem with a political, or geo-political solution-which it is not. There has been very little effort to explain the problem in religious terms. Also, look at the general demonization of the "right" in Israel.

re: #58 jcm
Less money spent on ammo...more $$ for guns!
Oh yea..For the moment!

re: #51 Ben Hur

Video: A protest where it counts

Let them have their shoe-thrower.

THIS is TRUE courage.

THIS is speaking truth to power.

Should be a thread.

Wow, & this is the danger to the Iranian government, that the people will rise.

re: #68 astronmr20

They were fine without the US in 1967; they'll be ok again.

They were not as reliant on American military hardware in 1967 as they are now.

re: #65 Bobibutu

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Assassinating Hamas leaders is one option being explored as Israeli troops prepare for the end of the ceasefire, according to a Thursday report in the Israeli daily paper Maariv.

---
This might enlighten them.

I like the phrase "extra-judicial means" for some reason.

Countdown to the UN blaming Israel...

re: #65 Bobibutu

Thx Bobibutu...enlighten their arses!

re: #73 reloadingisnotahobby

Less money spent on ammo...more $$ for guns!
Oh yea..For the moment!

:-)

OK, Hamas is in charge in Gaza and declares "war" on Israel.
Israel says, OK and blockades Gaza until Hamas reconsiders, end of story. The world bitches about innocent Gaza civilians, tell them toss out Hamas or stop the rockets and Israel will open the border and let food in.

Jimmy Carter blames Israel in 10...9...8...7...

re: #51 Ben Hur

Updinged and recommended.

The really frustrating part of all of this is the presumption, by the West, that the Arab world wouldn't invade the West if they thought they could get away with it. If the Mexico were muslim, we'd have rockets coming into southern California and Texas as well.

re: #77 ClosetConservative

Countdown to the UN blaming Israel...

Sternly Written Letter (SWL) is already. Just let Israel look meanly at Gaza and it will be released.

re: #44 MandyManners

God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen.

Bless our troops...thank for posting that Mandy.

Oh for the love of G-d, can we give these barbarians something to cry about for real this time?

re: #76 MandyManners

That's a highly biased Palestinian source, quoting a Hebrew newspaper which says 'Arab countries tell Israel to cut Hamas's heads off'.

I wouldn't place too much stock in this. Not the source, and not the plan. Olmert's Israel is too gutless for such a plan.

re: #83 EmmmieG

If the Mexico were muslim, we'd have rockets coming into southern California and Texas as well.

That's right - because Arizona would put up with that kinda shit.

re: #88 karmic_inquisitor

pimf - wouldn't.

Kinda just blows the whole joke.

re: #75 bulwrk

They were fine without the US in 1967; they'll be ok again.

They were not as reliant on American military hardware in 1967 as they are now.

They have the hardware they need if they are willing to use it.

The never-ending succession of fake ceasefires has never seemed more ludicrous.

Makes perfect sense:
A faux people, on a faux premises, wanting a faux state, for a faux purpose, claims it's faux peace.

re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh for the love of G-d, can we give these barbarians something to cry about for real this time?

I often think of this as similar to when you have a tantrum over nothing from a 5 year old...you're patient...you correct...and then *WHACK*..."here, now you have something to cry about"...

re: #44 MandyManners

God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen.

Need a hanky here.

Thank you {Mandy}!

re: #51 Ben Hur

I hope he's still alive.

Hamas is declaring the end of a nonexistent ceasefire...

Crush them.

Peace, Freedom, and Security are three words that describe the same condition in a rational society, the absence of of some asshole who seeks to impose his will upon you or to otherwise use you for his own ends.

Or to put it another way, peace is the absence of enemies.

re: #72 WriterMom

The people in the Shabak (GSS) know what we are up against. There are also a lot of people in the IDF that know. However, the IDF (in my opinion) has become quite politicized to the left in the past few decades and its hands are tied. The Israeli leftist political establishment has also been pushing the bullsh*t line that this is a political problem with a political, or geo-political solution-which it is not. There has been very little effort to explain the problem in religious terms. Also, look at the general demonization of the "right" in Israel.

Yep.
And a few days back Wrath-o-G linked a report about how traditional jews are treated by the Israeli police (badly) as opposed to arabs in israel (mildly).

When there's no political will, and when the lll politicins ahve brainwashed whole segments of the population and their children that peace at any price is the solution - then there will be peace, but the price will be the destruction of Israel.

Oh for the spirit of the first settleres, and the fighters for a state of Israel, in the 1940s!

Just in time for Chanukah. How thoughtful of those Hamass thugs.

re: #91 solomonpanting

Makes perfect sense:
A faux people, on a faux premises, wanting a faux state, for a faux purpose, claims it's faux peace.

ALl they need is a faux king and we could legitimately call them "Faux-king idiots"

re: #87 WriterMom

That's a highly biased Palestinian source, quoting a Hebrew newspaper which says 'Arab countries tell Israel to cut Hamas's heads off'.

I wouldn't place too much stock in this. Not the source, and not the plan. Olmert's Israel is too gutless for such a plan.

I just like the phrase "extra-judicial means".

re: #94 WriterMom

I hope he's still alive.

Indeed. What courage!

I'm sure when it happens the MSM will inform us that "both sides" ended the "cease-fire."

Or Hamas ended it as a response to something, anything Israel did.

Wait for it.

re: #90 astronmr20

They have the hardware they need if they are willing to use it.

Thats not how it appeared in 2006 with Lebanon.

re: #77 ClosetConservative

Countdown to the UN blaming Israel...

UN blaming Israel is a given, no need for a countown, it happens as a daily matter of course.

My prayers are with the people of Israel, and Jews everywhere. May they find safety during their period of persecution, and if the have to fight... well Reverend praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

In this new, more dangerous post-shoe era, what new evils does Hamas have up its sleave? Diaper catapults or day-old matzos sold as fresh to unwitting settlers?

Without the fake cease fire, what excuse will the Kadima/Labor joke of an Israeli government have for not kicking Hamas' ass?

re: #101 Ben Hur

I'm sure when it happens the MSM will inform us that "both sides" ended the "cease-fire."

Or Hamas ended it as a response to something, anything Israel did.

Wait for it.

Israel didn't deliver the falafels on time.

re: #76 MandyManners

I like the phrase "extra-judicial means" for some reason.

You do have a special affinity for words and phrases, Mandy. Probably from all that scrabble.

/

Gee...they should be set-up and rarin'-ta-go for after the Obauguation.

Wonder if they've been getting any advice and help?

re: #25 ssn697

Did I miss the "calm" he talks about? I don't think Hamas understands the term "cease-fire".

I'm not the first to say this, but Israel ceases and Hamas fires. They understand that very well.

give the IAF 20 minutes and Hamas is no more

re: #100 scottishbuzzsaw

Indeed. What courage!

Kind of makes Dan Rather's courage seem a little...insignificant.

Let me see those Code Pink freaks, or the dress up soldier in a mall activists risk their lives over anything.

They'd be too chickensh*t to even buy a plane ticket.

Just in time for Christmas, too. It's for these people we can't say "Merry Christmas" any more.
No one should be surprised. The Israelis beat back the warlike Hamas, someone steps in, they regain their strength and repeat the process. Break the chain by bombing the hell out of them.

Kaixo!

Note to Israeli leadership: When will you ever learn that "peace treaties" and "cease fires" with an implacable enemy with a fervent desire to annihilate you and drive you into the sea are nothing but exercises in futility? The Palestinians are steeped in hatred toward the Jews; their religion of death decrees that the existence of a Jewish state within Dar Al Islam is an affront to Muslims, and it must be eliminated, no matter how long and by whatever means are necessary. There never was an independent state of Palestine, and the "Palestinians" have no claim on Israel. It is sad that there are so many anti-Semites running around Europe, giving aid and comfort to the miserable Hamas and Fatah leaders and their supporters. I hope that the Israelis wake up and elect stalwart leaders along the lines of Benjamin Netanyahu who will truly be dedicated to protecting Israel's freedoms.

Zorionak! (Merry Christmas!)

re: #98 hermit

ALl they need is a faux king and we could legitimately call them "Faux-king idiots"

That designation, and their weapons, are the only real assets they possess.

re: #25 ssn697

Did I miss the "calm" he talks about? I don't think Hamas understands the term "cease-fire".

You need to get a Jihadist dictionary/Koran and it all makes sense.

re: #102 bulwrk

They have the hardware they need if they are willing to use it.

Thats not how it appeared in 2006 with Lebanon.

Indeed. I'm talking about an "all sides" situation, though. While they dicked around in Lebanon in 2006, observe how quickly they took out the syrian nuclear facility.

An event that requires absolute action for their continued survival will most definitely cause them to do what is necessary should the need arise.

I fully expect the AMERICAN funded and trained FATAH terrorist group to fight side by side with the IDF.

re: #80 avanti

OK, Hamas is in charge in Gaza and declares "war" on Israel.
Israel says, OK and blockades Gaza until Hamas reconsiders, end of story. The world bitches about innocent Gaza civilians, tell them toss out Hamas or stop the rockets and Israel will open the border and let food in.

Is that something you're writing for Santa Claus to bring on the 25th?

I'll me hat if the world ever tells the 'innocent civilians' of Gaza to throw out Hamas ...

(Its a very nice hat, and I know there is no danger whatsoever of me having to eat it ...)

well here we go 5,4,3,2,1...

re: #118 Ben Hur

I fully expect the AMERICAN funded and trained FATAH terrorist group to fight side by side with the IDF.

You funny!

re: #118 Ben Hur

I fully expect the AMERICAN funded and trained FATAH terrorist group to fight side by side with the IDF.

What are you smoking... hallucinogenics can get you arrested, thankfully you are anonymous on LGF.

re: #99 MandyManners

I like the phrase, cut Hamas' heads off.

re: #96 yma o hyd

Yes-the settler kids in Hebron were pulverized by the IDF and the miltary police. Jew-on-Jew violence.

In the Middle East today, the Hamas-Israeli cease fire was broken when groups of Hamas militants assaulted checkpoints across the area with thrown shoes and slippers to shouts of 'take that, Godless infidels!'

In response, the Super-Official sounding oOfice of the President-Elect announced that these were not the one-shoed Hamas members that President-Elect Obama had known during his hopey changey tour of the Middle East last year.

Hope you can believe in.
Change you can count on.
More at Eleven...

I'd be careful of flying shoes here for sure

re: #51 Ben Hur

Video: A protest where it counts

Let them have their shoe-thrower.

THIS is TRUE courage.

THIS is speaking truth to power.

Should be a thread.

Automatic Death Fatwa in 5...4...3...

re: #106 Opinionated

Getting group mani/pedis.

re: #111 pegcity

give the IAF 20 minutes and Hamas is no more

right you are...they are more of an irritant than a threat...the Hezz to the north are a differnt matter altogether...they handled the last dustup miserably so presumably they'd make hey this time...

re: #112 Ben Hur

Kind of makes Dan Rather's courage seem a little...insignificant.

Let me see those Code Pink freaks, or the dress up soldier in a mall activists risk their lives over anything.

They'd be too chickensh*t to even buy a plane ticket.

They lack the courage of their convictions, unless they are in a protected environment. Kind of like a kid on the playground that is bold as hell as long as the teacher is around.

re: #123 shanec99

What are you smoking... hallucinogenics can get you arrested, thankfully you are anonymous on LGF.

Anonymous?

I am Ben Hur!

re: #123 shanec99

It's true-America does train Fatah forces and funds the PA forces.

re: #124 WriterMom

I like the phrase, cut Hamas' heads off.

I prefer to cut the scrotom off... If you cut the head off they can still collect ejaculate and impregnate women through artificial insemination... creating geldings or eunuchs is much more likely to prevent the birth of a new crop of terrorists.

GAZA (Reuters) - Hamas Islamists Thursday declared the end of a six-month-old Egyptian-brokered ceasefire with Israel in the Gaza Strip, raising the prospect of an escalation in cross-border fighting.

12:01 am IDF should begin sustained artillery barrages, followed up with troops and airstrikes, driving Hamas into the Sinai or the Med. Hamas can choose which one.

Hamas can't win open war, so give it to them in full measure.

hiya cuz howya doin?

re: #118 Ben Hur

I fully expect the AMERICAN funded and trained FATAH terrorist group to fight side by side with the IDF.

You do know there isn't any Sanity Clause, hmmm?

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

Kipling today, eh Monkey?

re: #134 shanec99

You're disgusting!

I'm in love!

I guess they had to announce it, otherwise how would we know?

re: #101 Ben Hur

I'm sure when it happens the MSM will inform us that "both sides" ended the "cease-fire."

Or Hamas ended it as a response to something, anything Israel did.

Wait for it.

Take your pick:
Hamas Threatens to End Truce Unless Israel Eases Restrictions
Hamas hinting it might extend truce with Israel
Hamas leaders say Israel wrecking Gaza truce
Israel, Hamas up rhetoric as truce nears expiry

A different headline is a bit more telling.
11 Kassams hit Negev, 48 hours before truce set to end

re: #136 apachegunner

hiya cuz howya doin?

Just fine, cousin...how's things with you?

re: #8 Jetpilot1101

...and more camels.

GOATS AND YOUNG BOYS

fixed that for you camels are to mean they would kick the azz of hamas wussies

re: #67 unrealizedviewpoint

[Link: drybonesblog.blogspot.com...]

Interesting point.

re: #133 WriterMom

It's true-America does train Fatah forces and funds the PA forces.

but fighting side by side with IDF... you would need hallucinogenics to imagine that probability.

Israel doesn't need another Bibi, they need Marzel.

re: #117 astronmr20

I think the IDF will be very busy in 2009.

re: #117 astronmr20

Indeed. I'm talking about an "all sides" situation, though. While they dicked around in Lebanon in 2006, observe how quickly they took out the syrian nuclear facility.

An event that requires absolute action for their continued survival will most definitely cause them to do what is necessary should the need arise.

I pray that Israel is seeing the writing on the wall, with the new, incoming administration, and understands that it really is now a question of survival, and that the time for talking and dicking around is running out very quickly indeed.

I don't need to say that I'm more than sorry for all the innocents who will suffer - but imho there is one lot who has suffered enough, by, God, and that is not the Pali lot.

re: #139 WriterMom

You're disgusting!

I'm in love!

Me disgusting... my mother would disagree! Vociferously so...

Now will you marry me?

Revivify Golda!

re: #142 scottishbuzzsaw
Seems like a holiday around here, things are grrreat!

re: #145 shanec99

Well, there were huggy-love bug joint patrols in Gaza, which heralded the Dawn of Peace and Love between the Paletinians and the Jews.

Until one of the PA "soliders', whooops I mean terrorists-killed his co-patrolman. But, WHATEVER! Details!

And actually, if Fatah are the GOOD GUYS (as opposed to Hamas BAD GUYS), then the theory should work...both Fatah and the IDF, fighting BAD HAMAS!

The dellusional thing is that this is what the world has been shoving up Israel's wazoo, and Israel says-THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?

re: #44 MandyManners

God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen.

Thank you for that Mandy. It's bookmarked and I will watch it again and again. Too cool that it's Lorena, also - I love her haunting voice.

re: #125 WriterMom

Yes-the settler kids in Hebron were pulverized by the IDF and the miltary police. Jew-on-Jew violence.

And do tell me - was there an outcry in the World MSM about police brutality against these kids?

Must have passed me by ...

Israel on alert: issuing shoe-resistant helmets to all civilians.

Reminds me of the film "Ground Hog Day" - same thing over and over and over. Now we have to tolerate BHO wanting to go down in history as the boy wonder that made peace. Bush left it alone early on as he knew there is no future in trying to be a hero in Pallywood.

If Netanyahu is elected it will be a bloodbath.

re: #148 yma o hyd

I pray that Israel is seeing the writing on the wall, with the new, incoming administration, and understands that it really is now a question of survival, and that the time for talking and dicking around is running out very quickly indeed.

I don't need to say that I'm more than sorry for all the innocents who will suffer - but imho there is one lot who has suffered enough, by, God, and that is not the Pali lot.

I disagree...time has been 'running out' for eight years with those guys...Gaza can rot...the threat is elsewhere and they do nothing...Israel is very good at doing nothing regardless of all the bravado

re: #101 Ben Hur

Closing the border crossings is the excuse Hamas is currently using I believe.

re: #149 shanec99

Alas, I am taken!

re: #89 karmic_inquisitor

Got it the first time. Hmmm...the Maricopa County Sheriff...hmmm

Wars aren't ended because of treaties or negotiations, they are ended because one side or the other looses the will to fight. So far, the world has stepped in time and time again to force a treaty upon Israel and its enemies, preventing the Arabs/Palis from suffering the total defeat necessary to break their will and put a real end to this.

"This war differs from other wars, in this particular. We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war. - W.T. Sherman"

re: #152 WriterMom
I would tell them where to shove it... and I would be sure that no KY jelly were available.

New pictures are emerging of rage-boy holding an infant struct down by return-shoe fire.

re: #144 opnion

Interesting point.

Yaakov's writeup below the cartoon nails it. The comments need also be read.

re: #153 Russkilitlover

Thank you for that Mandy. It's bookmarked and I will watch it again and again. Too cool that it's Lorena, also - I love her haunting voice.

I love her voice, too...I have her 'Book of Secrets' playing now...beautiful.

re: #163 cartoonboy

New pictures are emerging of rage-boy holding an infant structstruck down by return-shoe fire.

re: #159 WriterMom

Alas, I am taken!

Hey... we can always arrange for him to go to the place where the battle is hottest.. kind of like Bathsheba and David.

re: #167 shanec99

Hey... we can always arrange for him to go to the place where the battle is hottest.. kind of like Bathsheba and David.

Too Jewish.

/Heddy Lamar

re: #118 Ben Hur

I fully expect the AMERICAN funded and trained FATAH terrorist group to fight side by side with the IDF.

Ben Hur -

Judging by their last performance against HAMAS, don't think the IDF would trust FATAH with Latrine Duty, let alone fighting.

-S-

re: #154 yma o hyd

Watch this.

re: #3 Bumr50

Why are all the politicos so bloody stupid about Hamas? Why do they think any one cease-fire will last when the last four or five barely went two weeks or so? Are they that desperate for some kind of "peace" in the Holy Land?

This is just one more thing the O administration can blame on Bush when his own "peace" initiatives fail. "Ah..., uh..., we ah..., um..., I did the best I ah... could with the situation I ah...inherited from the ah...previous administration.

Thinking back to the gambit where they held the Palestinian parliament by candlelight...with the sunlight coming in the tightly shut curtains. Wonder what else they will come up with?

Just for fun...

[Link: www.anorak.co.uk...]

re: #147 bulwrk

I think the IDF will be very busy in 2009.

I think you are correct...

re: #165 scottishbuzzsaw

I love her voice, too...I have her 'Book of Secrets' playing now...beautiful.

I liked the voice on the video, but I'm not familiar with Lorena- full name?

re: #157 albusteve

I disagree...time has been 'running out' for eight years with those guys...Gaza can rot...the threat is elsewhere and they do nothing...Israel is very good at doing nothing regardless of all the bravado

Interesting timeline - eight years ...
It would seem to me as if Israel's politicians have been trying their best to fall in with Pres Bush, and have been trying not to upset the applecart.
Meanwhile the loonie left, like everywhere else in the world, has been agitating for peace-peace-peace ... without understanding that the Que'an does not allow for peace with Israel, ever.

re: #176 revobob

I liked the voice on the video, but I'm not familiar with Lorena- full name?

Mckennet.

Hamas Ready for War

Darn it, I really thought this one would last!
/
Is "How long will the most recent Hamas-Israel ceasefire last?" a question at intrade.com?

re: #174 EmmmieG

Thinking back to the gambit where they held the Palestinian parliament by candlelight...with the sunlight coming in the tightly shut curtains. Wonder what else they will come up with?

Just for fun...

[Link: www.anorak.co.uk...]

Being that it is December, perhaps they can don eskimo gear to battle that harsh ME winter.

re: #175 astronmr20

I think you are correct...

doing what?...evicting settlers?

Jerusalem – Ma’an – Assassinating Hamas leaders is one option being explored as Israeli troops prepare for the end of the ceasefire, according to a Thursday report in the Israeli daily paper Maariv.

The paper quoted military sources as saying Arab countries advised Israel to assassinate major Hamas leaders if they reject the truce.

The story appeared on page two of the Hebrew paper and claims un-named Arab states have given Israel the ‘green-light’ to use extra-judicial means to ensure the disappearance of Hamas leaders in case the party refuses to extend the truce.

The article, by Israeli journalists Ben Kesbit and Amir Raybot, claimed that Arab heads of state sent secret letters to the Israeli government. They hinted that the assassination planning was a major factor regarding why no major military action has been undertaken so far.

Those listed as candidates for assassination are:

De facto Prime Minister in Gaza Ismail Haniyeh
De facto Minister of the Interior Sai’d Siyam
De facto Minister of Foreign Affairs Mahmoud Az-Zahhar
Head of the military wing of Hamas in the Gaza Strip (The Al-Qassam Brigades) Ahmad Aj-Ja’bary
Member of the Palestinian Legislative Council and leader of the Popular Committee against the Siege in Gaza Dr Jamal Al-Khudari
Secondary leaders in the Al-Qassam Brigades Ibrahim Ghandur and Muhammad Deif, who have both survived several assassination attempts, were also on the list.

re: #178 astronmr20
Thank you.

re: #176 revobob

I liked the voice on the video, but I'm not familiar with Lorena- full name?

Loreena McKennitt.

re: #179 bosforus

Nah, let's make a betting pool. I've got $10 saying the next cease fire will last three weeks or less.
/bad taste, BAD!

night everyone... I need the beauty sleep.

If I were in Italy I would say, bona notte, domani amici.

re: #101 Ben Hur

I'm sure when it happens the MSM will inform us that "both sides" ended the "cease-fire."

Or Hamas ended it as a response to something, anything Israel did.

Wait for it.

Hamas will do some murderous thing, Israel will respond, and the "end of the cease fire" will be pinned on the Israeli response and trumpeted worldwide..

re: #175 astronmr20

They may very well be fighting five enemies on four fronts and if thats the case timely resupply of American munitions will be vital,pray for Israel.

This Inflation Cannot Continue!

Inflation has a numbing psychological effect. After a while, as the numbers grow and multiply, people who until recently were aghast and angry at relatively small rises begin to fatalistically accept horrendous increases. They learn to live with the inflation of costs - and they pave the way for learning to perish because of it.

That is what is happening in Israel today, but it is not of that kind of inflation that I write. There is a second kind of inflation that grows today in Israel and it, too, has begun its terrible effect. It is the inflation of terror.

Not a day seems to go by nowadays without an act of terror or attempted terror. Terrorists cut through the fence in Gaza, and Judea/Samaria; by the grace of G-d, they are caught and stopped before they can commit mass murder. Terrorists are stopped as before they can hijack a bulldozer and attempt to attack innocent civilians in Jerusalem. A terrorist is caught off the coast of Israel on its way to murder as many men, women and children as possible. A rocket aimed at downtown Ashklon or Sderot luckily misses its mark. All these are things we know about - how many other incidents are kept from us? All these are things that failed and the Almighty grants us more time and more time to do the things that we should do, to return to Him in faith and sacrifice and courage. But how much longer will He wait and aid?

And then there are the bombs that did not fail to go off. A bomb goes off in the marketplace in Lydda; a Jew is killed and many wounded. A bomb goes off in the market place in Tel Aviv; a Jew is killed and more than a score wounded. How many buses are targets for Arab bombs? The reaction of the Israeli authorities, and Word leaders is to urge greater scrutiny; build a higher security fence, or even move the fence... They are measures that are not calculated to have any effect on the terrorists. They guarantee more Nahariyas.

And the public grows numb. It has come to accept as natural, life with terrorist bombs. That which, years past, led Jews to angrily respond and demand action, now leaves them apathetic and fatalistic in their acceptance. It is the inflation of terror. The more attacks, the greater the acceptance of them as a way of life. The more the dead, the less we seem to be able to look upon them as individuals who lived and left behind families. Their very repetition makes the bombings lose their "newness" and the radio and television reports no longer are "exciting" or "fresh."

But it cannot continue. We cannot allow the situation to continue. Every victim is a beloved one who leaves behind loved ones and sorrow and tragedy. Every victim is a fellow Jew. Every death and outrage is a Hillul Hashem, a desecration of the name of the L-rd. Our apathy, our acceptance of the situation, only guarantees further and worse inflation of terror. It guarantees further deaths, cripples, and agony and anguish. It cannot continue, and it must as long as Arabs are allowed to live and wander freely in the Land, while simultaneously indoctrinating their youth to hatred and violence toward the Jew.

How much is the safety, security, and life of a Jew to live in his land worth?

Hamas is pledging to use a Shoe-clear dirty bomb on Israel.

Hamas to go shuclear

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wars aren't ended because of treaties or negotiations, they are ended because one side or the other looses the will to fight. So far, the world has stepped in time and time again to force a treaty upon Israel and its enemies, preventing the Arabs/Palis from suffering the total defeat necessary to break their will and put a real end to this.

"This war differs from other wars, in this particular. We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war. - W.T. Sherman"

Agree.
Updinged you - the Arabs/Palis need to be taught the lesson that their violence and terrorism will avail them nothing, nay, will make things utterly unendurable for them.

re: #158 Bubblehead II

Closing the border crossings is the excuse Hamas is currently using I believe.

This one is precious form Al Guardian:

Hamas responded to Israel's attack, which destroyed a weapons store and a rocket-making factory, by firing eight rockets and five mortars at Israel's southern towns.

"The calm, which was reached with Egyptian sponsorship on 19 June and expires on 19 December, is finished because the enemy did not abide by its obligations," said Hamas official Ayman Taha, who respresented the group in talks with other Palestinian factions. "The calm is over."

The truce was due to end tomorrow but has been unravelling ever since Israel crossed into Gaza, killed six Hamas fighters and destroyed a tunnel on 4 November.

So far this week Hamas has fired around 50 rockets. On Wednesday one struck a car park near a supermarket in Sderot, the Israeli town that borders Gaza's northern perimeter and bears the brunt of Palestinian missile attacks.

The provocation was that Israel hit a "rocket making factory." It's kind of hard to feel sympathy for folks who complain that they're starving when the use their limited resources to build weapons. It's the old Qassam and butter thing.

And of course this all started when Israel - again! - hit a tunnel that Hamas was building in preparation for an attack against Israeli positions.

So the ceasefire is cool as long as Israel allows Hamas to fortify and threaten unharrassed; otherwise Israel the Zionist enemy is in violation.

re: #185 davinvalkri

Nah, let's make a betting pool. I've got $10 saying the next cease fire will last three weeks or less.
/bad taste, BAD!

Let's bet karma.

Or do you say Shoe-cul-oor?

Good afternoon everyone.
Have a look at this, The indicted Blackwater guards on trial for that "massacre"
have produced logs that show they were fired on first. Hopefully, the governments case will disintegrate.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

re: #164 unrealizedviewpoint

Yaakov's writeup below the cartoon nails it. The comments need also be read.

Commenter #2 is interesting, pointing out that American Jews voting for Obama care more about his liberal agenda than Israeli security.
Nothing else makes sense. I fear that they have made a profoundly bad choice.

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh hell yes! Why does no one remember that lesson; the lesson of a hundred military historians!

re: #187 Sunlight

Hamas will do some murderous thing, Israel will respond, and the "end of the cease fire" will be pinned on the Israeli response and trumpeted worldwide..

Something Bibi would repeat when he was PM.

Why do you blame the reaction to the problem, and NOT the problem that prompted the reaction?

Watch Day Three, The Coleman Challenges, Franken Cruising to Victory

Coleman still up by 166, but he's going to lose most of his 600 remaining challenges.

/live feed (resuming after lunch break)

re: #198 davinvalkri

Oh hell yes! Why does no one remember that lesson; the lesson of a hundred military historians!

Because modern history classes are too busy learning about white imperialist aggression and grievance mongering.

re: #199 Ben Hur

"Oppressed Palestinians oppressed by oppressor JOOOS" fits the national narrative better.

re: #196 CapeCoddah

I thought that would be the case,it made no sense that these professionals would just open fire for no reason,it would be counter productive to the mission they were on.

With all this discussion of the result (Hamas in Gaza) we cannot ignore what preceded or caused this outcome.

(1) Wishful thinking on the part of the U.S., Israel, and the World that the Phakestinianites wanted peace, and if allowed to vote, they would vote in peaceful leadership. We got Hamas.

(2) Wishful thinking on the part of the U.S., Israel, and the World that the Phakestinianites wanted land, but were outraged by the "settlers" "occupying" their land, and if we could just remove the "problem" (ie: Jews from "Palestinian Land") the violence nature would go away. We Got Hamas, and MORE violence.

(3) Israel ethnically cleansed Gaza of its Jewish population.

re: #188 bulwrk

They may very well be fighting five enemies on four fronts and if thats the case timely resupply of American munitions will be vital,pray for Israel.

At least three of those enemies, Hamas, Hezballah, and Syria are tied if not out right controlled by the Mad Mullahs of Iran. Those Mad Mullahs have been at war with the United States for 29 years.

This fight is our fight.

We (collectively) better figure that out pretty damn quick.

re: #192 yma o hyd

Agree.
Updinged you - the Arabs/Palis need to be taught the lesson that their violence and terrorism will avail them nothing, nay, will make things utterly unendurable for them.

talk talk talk...Hamas leaders are like mushrooms...the IDF could go through Gaza like poop through a goose but they wont...too much colateral damage...Gaza will have to be blockaded and ignored...much simpler and easier buy Israel doesnt have the balls to take the heat...meanwhile they have other enemies...fuck Gaza and Hamas...

re: #200 Killian Bundy

Watch Day Three, The Coleman Challenges, Franken Cruising to Victory

Coleman still up by 166, but he's going to lose most of his 600 remaining challenges.

/live feed (resuming after lunch break)

Watch Day Three, The Coleman Challenges, Franken Cruising to Stealing a Victory

Fixed.

re: #206 albusteve

talk talk talk...Hamas leaders are like mushrooms...the IDF could go through Gaza like poop through a goose but they wont...too much colateral damage...Gaza will have to be blockaded and ignored...much simpler and easier buy Israel doesnt have the balls to take the heat...meanwhile they have other enemies...fuck Gaza and Hamas...

Wrong.

War then Transfer!

re: #202 davinvalkri

Did I say "national"? I meant "international".

re: #201 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There's always the internet! We could call up some old pieces from Sun Tzu, Sir Basil Liddell Hart, Victor Davis Hanson, anyone! They all say the same thing--a war is stopped for good when the enemy is completely broken!

re: #200 Killian Bundy

Watch Day Three, The Coleman Challenges, Franken Cruising to Victory

Coleman still up by 166, but he's going to lose most of his 600 remaining challenges.

/live feed (resuming after lunch break)

This is insane... Once Franken is up by 1 vote, this 'recount' will be over...

re: #171 WriterMom

Watch this.

Thank you - words fail me!
And I refrain utterning thos e words which rise in my throat ... LGF rules ..

But hey, its s o much more intereresting to watch Greek anarchists turn Athens ito a battlefield ...

re: #204 WrathofG-d

With all this discussion of the result (Hamas in Gaza) we cannot ignore what preceded or caused this outcome.

(1) Wishful thinking on the part of the U.S., Israel, and the World that the Phakestinianites wanted peace, and if allowed to vote, they would vote in peaceful leadership. We got Hamas.

(2) Wishful thinking on the part of the U.S., Israel, and the World that the Phakestinianites wanted land, but were outraged by the "settlers" "occupying" their land, and if we could just remove the "problem" (ie: Jews from "Palestinian Land") the violence nature would go away. We Got Hamas, and MORE violence.

(3) Israel ethnically cleansed Gaza of its Jewish population.

I find it very telling the only pictures I see of people's homes being destroyed and screaming mothers and children are because IDF troops are "relocating" their fellow Israelis so as to make peace with scum who would slit their throats as soon look at them.

And Just in Time for Hanukkah

re: #200 Killian Bundy

Watch Day Three, The Coleman Challenges, Franken Cruising to Victory

Coleman still up by 166, but he's going to lose most of his 600 remaining challenges.

/live feed (resuming after lunch break)

Are the "600" in Colemans count now, meaning you deduct 600 from his current total, or are they being looked at to see if they are going to be added to his total or not?

ALSO, how many "challenged" votes of Stuart Smiley are they looking at, with the same caveat?

re: #205 jcm

At least three of those enemies, Hamas, Hezballah, and Syria are tied if not out right controlled by the Mad Mullahs of Iran. Those Mad Mullahs have been at war with the United States for 29 years.

This fight is our fight.

We (collectively) better figure that out pretty damn quick.

I agree wholeheartedly...there should be volumes of strategies between the US and Israel for any scenario...fuck the MSM...fuck the UN and anybody elses biased opinion

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I find it very telling the only pictures I see of people's homes being destroyed and screaming mothers and children are because IDF troops are "relocating" their fellow Israelis so as to make peace with scum who would slit their throats as soon look at them.

What about the not used numerous photos of the Arabs torching synagogues after the Jews left Gaza?

Where did I read (recently, too) that hamas is not even popular among palestinains?

re: #205 jcm

We (collectively) better figure that out pretty damn quick.

With the new administration coming in I'm not going to hold my breath.

re: #208 WrathofG-d

Wrong.

War then Transfer!

fine...let er rip!...when does this fight start?

re: #179 bosforus

Darn it, I really thought this one would last!
/
Is "How long will the most recent Hamas-Israel ceasefire last?" a question at intrade.com?

a) 1:5 n/a - it's dead in the water;
b) 1:5 It depends how you define ceasefire;
c) 1:5 About as long as it takes Rosie to eat a party-size bag of cheesies;
d) 1:5 Slightly longer than it takes a bikini-clad Rosie to clear the beach.

re: #171 WriterMom

Watch this.

grrr

re: #80 avanti

OK, Hamas is in charge in Gaza and declares "war" on Israel.
Israel says, OK and blockades Gaza until Hamas reconsiders, end of story. The world bitches about innocent Gaza civilians, tell them toss out Hamas or stop the rockets and Israel will open the border and let food in.

problem is the world itches about innocent Gaza civilians, but no one can hear the Israeli government talk about the rockets, or the threats from Hamas.

Do a search in Google News for rockets strike negev

Nothing from AP, or any other news source except those in Israel.

Israel was established and is important, because we KNOW that the killing of jews is not news anywhere on the planet except Israel.

We always knew this.

We can say stop the rockets, but who is going to hear us?

What? You mean the Islamists - whose religion OKs deceiving non-believers in order to gain advantage - weren't really interested in peace but were just buying time to regroup and reconstitute?

Say it isn't so!

Someone call Obama...so he can "Change!" this with some "Hope!"

re: #200 Killian Bundy

Watch Day Three, The Coleman Challenges, Franken Cruising to Victory

Coleman still up by 166, but he's going to lose most of his 600 remaining challenges.

/live feed (resuming after lunch break)

Franken's getting experienced election stealing help.

re: #216 WrathofG-d

What about the not used numerous photos of the Arabs torching synagogues after the Jews left Gaza?

The photos of the Palis tearing apart the multimillion dollars of green houses so they could grab the scrap metal, which they probably used to make rockets, as well. They deserve every misery and pox which can be heaped on them.

re: #189 WrathofG-d

Just praying that there will be enough Israelis who will say, enough, we do not want to live in the shadow of terror any longer.

As the proverb has it:
Its better to die standing upright than to live on one's knees.

This is not about mindlessly shouting for war and violence, this is a cry to fight for survival, survival of Israel.

re: #189 WrathofG-d

At our Hanukkah festival, I picked up a flier from the JNF table. They are raising funds for the "JNF Sderot Indoor Playground". It looks way cool, but jeeez... I keep thinking we should open all the edge areas as gated Adult Living centers (we can recruit from FL!) and move the families with kids inward. I worry about kids raised under fire and how they will do in life later.

Open Letter To The Arabs Of Israel

Arabs of Eretz Yisrael! We live today in a time of destiny. Through the mercy of the Almighty, the Jewish people have returned home and we live today in the beginning of the Final Redemption, may it come swiftly. And at the same time, there has begun a struggle. It is a struggle between the people of Israel on the one hand, and the Arab people, Ishmael, on the other. Both claim the Land.

We wish to speak to you about this struggle, because we know that so many others speak to you nonsense. We want you to know for yourselves what Jews of real faith and real Judaism believe, intend to do and why. Above all, we want the Jewish-Arab struggle placed within its true perspective. Let the world understand the religious nature of this struggle.

The pity is that most Jews do not understand you or your true feelings. People really believe that you can be bought with economic or social "progress." What contempt for you lies in a person who expects you to give up your national and religious demands in return for electricity and television! Not by bread alone does the Arab live. You are a proud people that truly believes that Jews have stolen the land from you. The fact that this is not true and that the land is Jewish does not change the fact that you truly believe otherwise. You will never give up that claim in return for being bought with materialism.

We know that the issue is not Hebron, or Sh'chem, or Judea or Samaria. We know that it is JERUSALEM, east and west. We know that it is Tel Aviv and Haifa. We know that it is, ultimately, the very existence of the Jewish state you see as a foreign body in the so-called Arab homeland. We know that only a fool or a knave expects you to agree to take half of what you believe to be your entire land. Above all, we know that the struggle for the land, Eretz Yisrael, is a struggle between the truth of Judaism or Islam.

It is not we who "incite" you. It is not "extremist" Jewish groups who cause you to hate Israel, as foolish politicians and writers say. We know that it was Herzl who incited you and Ben Gurion. And Golda, and Begin. And the Kibbutzim of Hashomer Hatzair. And Zionism itself. It is the Israeli soldier and flag and very state that infuriates you and moves you to vengeance.

We know, despite all the self-delusion, that no Arab feels equal in a state whose national anthem speaks of the "soul of a Jew" yearning, and of Hatikva, the Jewish hope of return that was, for you, a nightmare. We know that Israel, which was quite rightly and properly formed as a Jewish state so that we might have what you have in 20 of your own - can never really feel like a home for you.

And we remember how you tried to strangle Israel at birth. Jews remember your refusal to even accept the U.N. Partition Plan of 1947 that would have created a tiny, grotesque state with a population already one-third Arab. Jews remember the 6,000 Jews who fell in that war you began, and we remember the 600 Jews who died in your riots of 1936-38 when there was no Jewish state. And we remember the Mufti, of cursed memory, and al-Kaukji. And we remember the Hebron pogrom of 1929 and the massacres of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and all the others in 1920 and 1921. And we remember Trumpeldor and Tel Hai. And we have not the slightest doubt that you would do it again if we were ever so foolish to allow you. I understand, I understand you.

And because I am of the few who are willing to see and understand, we know, above all, that there can never be real peace. Unlike those who think they can deceive you and who succeed only in deluding themselves, we know that no concessions short of the elimination of Israel will suffice for you. For you, there cannot be peace as long as there is a Jewish state, for the main issue in your minds is NOT peace but what you consider to be your rights, your entire land, your national destiny, your religious victory.

re: #218 bulwrk

We (collectively) better figure that out pretty damn quick.

With the new administration coming in I'm not going to hold my breath.

We can fight them we things are in our favor.
Or later when the outcome may be uncertain.

One way or another the Mad Mullahs are spoiling for a fight.
I vote we give it to them on our terms.
Not later on theirs.

re: #219 albusteve

fine...let er rip!...when does this fight start?

It never will; no one wants to initiate on our side; I suspect Israel will simply be overrun by 2025, and nobody will give a shit here, except maybe to praise the event to the stars because the oppressor Jooos are finally wiped out.

/severe pessimism

re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

Wish I had another upding for that one.

re: #193 dhg4

Yep, and the msm runs with it each and every time.

re: #214 sattv4u2

Are the "600" in Colemans count now, meaning you deduct 600 from his current total, or are they being looked at to see if they are going to be added to his total or not?

ALSO, how many "challenged" votes of Stuart Smiley are they looking at, with the same caveat?

No, the 600 Coleman challenges are mainly to Franken votes and Coleman will lose most of the challenges. That means more Franken votes counted.

/they finished with Franken's challenges yesterday

re: #220 Spare O'Lake

d) 1:5 Slightly longer than it takes a bikini-clad Rosie to clear the beach.

Reports of a beached whale might increase the number of people

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about the idiot Jews who paid for them? I mean-WE are our worst enemies in so many ways.

re: #228 Sunlight

At our Hanukkah festival, I picked up a flier from the JNF table. They are raising funds for the "JNF Sderot Indoor Playground". It looks way cool, but jeeez... I keep thinking we should open all the edge areas as gated Adult Living centers (we can recruit from FL!) and move the families with kids inward. I worry about kids raised under fire and how they will do in life later.

The Jewish mindset of today that tells the Jew to run to cover instead of standing and fighting for what his/her ancestors could only pray for 2000+ years for is an even worse type of abuse on the children.

re: #227 yma o hyd

Just praying that there will be enough Israelis who will say, enough, we do not want to live in the shadow of terror any longer.

As the proverb has it:
Its better to die standing upright than to live on one's knees.

This is not about mindlessly shouting for war and violence, this is a cry to fight for survival, survival of Israel.

what's any different now than at the beginning of the 2nd Intifada?...enough was enough then and Israel presumably had the moral high ground to take down both Hamas and Fatah...the hue and cry your waiting for will only be an eight year old echo

re: #231 davinvalkri

It never will; no one wants to initiate on our side; I suspect Israel will simply be overrun by 2025, and nobody will give a shit here, except maybe to praise the event to the stars because the oppressor Jooos are finally wiped out.

/severe pessimism

Israel will render their neighbors as "parking lots" before they allow themselves to be overrun. They have far superior nukes than anyone on the region

re: #225 jcm

Franken's getting experienced election stealing help.

Watching the feed - why is the Coleman team withdrawing the vast majority of their challenges?

Wow!
That live feed is embarrassing!
That's not what the panel judged, but so what, let's just count it for Franken.

re: #234 Killian Bundy

No, the 600 Coleman challenges are mainly to Franken votes and Coleman will lose most of the challenges. That means more Franken votes counted.

/they finished with Franken's challenges yesterday

thanks

SOOO ,,, Senator Al Franken ,,,

ggeeezzz,, I just threw up in my throat!~

re: #203 bulwrk

I thought that would be the case,it made no sense that these professionals would just open fire for no reason,it would be counter productive to the mission they were on.

Lets hope it actually makes a difference.

re: #240 invictus1

Watching the feed - why is the Coleman team withdrawing the vast majority of their challenges?

/because it's obvious how they'll be ruled on, based on 2 1/2 days of doing this

229 cont.

...All this I understand and I understand you and how you think and why, and because we do, we will not move to commit national suicide in the manner of so many others. We know that every concession and every failure to assert our Jewish rights and obligations is seen by you as weakness and this only emboldens you. I know that Israel's failure all these years to transfer Arabs from Eretz Yisrael has left in our midst a proud and hating people that is a time bomb waiting to explode. I know that the Arab birthrate guarantees the creation of yet another Cyprus or Northern Ireland here, as well as threatening the Jewish majority of Eretz Yisrael. We know that education makes you more dangerous, not less, and that the PA leaders of the future will come from the universities we allow you to attend. I know that our liberal weakness leads to bolder attacks on Jewish women and men, assaults on Jews in Jerusalem. We know that the insane "autonomy" plan must lead to a "Palestine" entity that will be a magnet for the Israeli Arab and his radicalization.

And so, understanding your national and religious pride; knowing that you believe us to be thieves and the land to be yours; certain that there can never be any real peace between us

re: #231 davinvalkri

It never will; no one wants to initiate on our side; I suspect Israel will simply be overrun by 2025, and nobody will give a shit here, except maybe to praise the event to the stars because the oppressor Jooos are finally wiped out.

/severe pessimism

Israel overrun? If it happens, it'll be because of weakness of will, no other reason. Last time the surrounding nations tried to overrun the Israelis en-masse, Israel promptly beat all comers, and increased its territory. Israel's military prowess, relative to its neighbors, is as strong now as it has ever been. Only through a lack of will in Israeli leadership, are they likely to be defeated.

re: #240 invictus1

Watching the feed - why is the Coleman team withdrawing the vast majority of their challenges?

Haven't been following closely, but if it's like WA.
The overwhelming bias of the election board in counting ballots.

In WA they construed the slightest mark as a Gregoire (D) vote. and used the slightest irregularity on a ballot to disqualify a Rossi (R) vote.

re: #90 astronmr20

They have the hardware they need if they are willing to use it.

Hope they've got (or can produce) all the ammo and ordnance they're gonna need, because after 1/20/2009 I'd be worried about resupply if the balloon goes up.

Also, I hope the IDF has been doing the training they're going to need to avoid a repeat of what happened in South Lebanon last time.

re: #242 sattv4u2

thanks

SOOO ,,, Senator Al Franken ,,,

ggeeezzz,, I just threw up in my throat!~

/it doesn't look good, but this election will eventually be settled in court

Doesn't it make sense that Hamas would end its ceasefire at the point where the Bush Administration is no longer around to offer Israel military aid? Wouldn't they understandably think that an Obama Administration would be reluctant to give Israel arms and political support to retaliate against Hamas attacks?

re: #236 WriterMom

What about the idiot Jews who paid for them? I mean-WE are our worst enemies in so many ways.

Too many people asking "How can we make them like us?". Too few people asking, "How do we get them before they get us?".

I joke around a lot, but I'm an asshole and a ruthless SOB when it comes down to it. At the end of the day, I dont give a shit what the Palis grievances are. If it takes burying every one of them to keep friends and families alive, then thats what it takes. If that makes me a bad person, I can live with that, I've been called worse.

The definition of SUPRISE!
While at lunch I had a chance to read my "Rocky and Bullwinkle
Flying Squirel Suit" instructions!
No suprise here!
I'm not goin ANYWHERE this weekend!
Got my 44.5 hours Lizards...unless it snow tomm...
Have a great weekend and DRIVE CAREFUL DAMN IT!
Loader!

re: #240 invictus1

Watching the feed - why is the Coleman team withdrawing the vast majority of their challenges?

Thanks, GOP! I knew you didn't actually manage to grow a pair of testicles.

re: #229 WrathofG-d

so you've identified the problem and called out the Arabs...what's the solution?...talk them into submission with flowery windage?

re: #247 jcm

Haven't been following closely, but if it's like WA.
The overwhelming bias of the election board in counting ballots.

In WA they construed the slightest mark as a Gregoire (D) vote. and used the slightest irregularity on a ballot to disqualify a Rossi (R) vote.

Yeah.
I just watched one with TWO votes, one for a third party candidate and the other for Franken.
There was nothing indicating one over the other...it is now a cote for Franken.
Cheaters.
It should have been tossed.

re: #246 Yashmak

Israel overrun? If it happens, it'll be because of weakness of will, no other reason. Last time the surrounding nations tried to overrun the Israelis en-masse, Israel promptly beat all comers, and increased its territory. Israel's military prowess, relative to its neighbors, is as strong now as it has ever been. Only through a lack of will in Israeli leadership, are they likely to be defeated.

Well, what are we seeing now?

re: #208 WrathofG-d

Wrong.

War then Transfer!

Why not try bribery?
Severence payment to any who leave Gaza and West Bank for neighboring countries (other than Israel). Much cheaper than military action. Would let anybody who actually wants a life on this earth to re-start.

re: #255 mean Gene

Yeah.
I just watched one with TWO votes, one for a third party candidate and the other for Franken.
There was nothing indicating one over the other...it is now a cote for Franken.
Cheaters.
It should have been tossed.

Every vote must be counted - for the Democrat.

re: #255 mean Gene

Yeah.
I just watched one with TWO votes, one for a third party candidate and the other for Franken.
There was nothing indicating one over the other...it is now a cote for Franken.
Cheaters.
It should have been tossed.

Yep, that's an overvote. They happen at a consistent low rate in all elections.
Overvotes should never be counted period.

re: #257 Sunlight

Why not try bribery?
Severence payment to any who leave Gaza and West Bank for neighboring countries (other than Israel). Much cheaper than military action. Would let anybody who actually wants a life on this earth to re-start.

Because the neighboring countries havent taken them in for 50+ years, why would they start now?

re: #213 Eowyn2