Overnight Open Thread

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Open • Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 11:27 pm PST • Views: 160

As frightening as terrorism is, it’s the weapon of losers. The minute somebody sets off a suicide bomb, you can be sure that person doesn’t have ‘career prospects.’ And no matter how horrendous a terrorist attack is, it’s still conducted by losers. Winners don’t need to hijack airplanes. Winners have an Air Force.

P. J. O’Rourke

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1 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:28:20pm

Night all.

2 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:28:50pm

Love the Peej!

3 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:29:20pm

re: #2 rawmuse

Love the Peej!

What. Hurry, I'm going to bed.

4 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:30:07pm

Never mind. P J I see

5 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:30:41pm

P J. I call him the Peej.

6 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:31:04pm

Night. Only three more Christmas shows and then it's over. Thank goodness.

7 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:32:08pm

Correct People: Winners.
Incorrect People: Terrorists

Power to the Correct People!

8 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:32:15pm

Only five more gigs, then my career is over. Until the phone rings again.

9 Silvergirl  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:33:20pm

Do you know that Eliot Spitzer has an article about the auto bailout? It's in Slate Magazine. I skimmed it, not really caring what he had to say, just wanting him to go away for a much, much longer period of time. It's so brazen to be out and about. I want him to sit and roast in some hell reserved for all the politicians who let us down.

His big ideas, whatever they are

10 Silvergirl  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:35:24pm

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

Night. Only three more Christmas shows and then it's over. Thank goodness.

What show are you doing? Sorry for entering the conversation late and wanting to know all the details. Just the name and playwright, if you please.

11 jcm  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:38:20pm

re: #10 Silvergirl

What show are you doing? Sorry for entering the conversation late and wanting to know all the details. Just the name and playwright, if you please.

Since Walter left, this is his show.

12 BlueCanuck  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:38:28pm

Well I am out of here to. Get to sleep early for once. Big snow storm on the way in and I got four walks to shovel when it happens. Have a good night all, stay scaly, warm, and friendly.

13 jcm  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:40:07pm

re: #9 Silvergirl

Do you know that Eliot Spitzer has an article about the auto bailout? It's in Slate Magazine. I skimmed it, not really caring what he had to say, just wanting him to go away for a much, much longer period of time. It's so brazen to be out and about. I want him to sit and roast in some hell reserved for all the politicians who let us down.

His big ideas, whatever they are

The first half he's right...
then it's a train wreck.

14 traderjoe9  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:41:01pm

G'night folks.

15 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:46:04pm
16 Silvergirl  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:46:56pm

re: #11 jcm

Since Walter left, this is his show.

Thanks. The O. Henry? I didn't see Walter's name. Actor? Director? Stage crew? I love the Gift of the Magi, but never cared that much for The Last Leaf. I might have to be part of the dreaded audience leaving at intermission if they have one, and I do believe that's about the tackiest thing.

17 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:51:32pm

I'm out. c ya

19 Mr. E. Train  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:56:06pm

But thats why they do suicide attacks. They KNOW they are losers and the only way they'll get the hot chicks (72 virgins), the big house and bling (the high holy whore house in Allahs hood) is to strap on the vest and 'splode themselves in a group of infidels.

When your entire nation/culture looks like the worse burnt out ghetto in watts, you never see a woman that isnt your mom/sister/wife, there isnt a decent job to be had for love or money and every authority figure around you yammers on and on about how the best thing you can do is be a martyr... Hell, I might 'splode myself to!

20 Silvergirl  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:58:08pm

re: #13 jcm

The first half he's right...
then it's a train wreck.

Okay I read it, and I don't see how it's supposed to end up benefiting the sick economy. One little piggy gets none, and the other two keep draining us? I liked Romney's idea of getting rid of their current management and working their way through this on their own.

21 Karridine  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:58:30pm

O'Rourke ain't just spinning that, he speaks volumes!

Winners WEAR a uniform, winners refrain from shooting women & children, winners help the elderly and frail, winners shelter their handicapped, winners stand tall when they stoop to help a child...

Winners find the godly part of OTHER PEOPLE and serve that god-created essence... and if the can't find it in others, they probably ain't found it in themselves, Splodey-dope LOSERS!

22 Killian Bundy  Thu, Dec 18, 2008 11:59:50pm

Has anyone ever used a Neti pot?

/it sure would be nice not to have a stuffed up nose all the time

23 Silvergirl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:09:29am

re: #22 Killian Bundy

Has anyone ever used a Neti pot?

/it sure would be nice not to have a stuffed up nose all the time

No, but I remember an episode of the Office where Dwight stuck a regular teapot spout in his nostril. It was the teapot that Jim had meant as a gift for Pam.

I've has success with the sprays, either prescription Nasonex or over-the-counter Nasal Crom. After a few days, it starts working. Are these allergies you're talking about?

24 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:11:16am

re: #12 BlueCanuck

Nite, Blue. I am not long for the world either. Glad you get some timely sleep for a change.

25 Silvergirl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:12:12am

re: #18 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If you were a kid growing up in Chicago in the late 60's, you remember this...

I don't remember it, but it's a catchy tune. Hardrock, Coco, and Joe? Today's kids might be too sophisticated for it--their loss--and would think it's a step up from cave drawings.

26 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:13:31am

re: #22 Killian Bundy

Has anyone ever used a Neti pot?

/it sure would be nice not to have a stuffed up nose all the time

I have a liberal acquaintance who swears by that thing. Haven't tried it myself.

27 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:14:11am

re: #23 Silvergirl

Are these allergies you're talking about?

Probably, but I've never been tested. Cats.

/this just seems like a low cost, natural alternative to drugs

28 Silvergirl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:23:04am

re: #27 Killian Bundy

Probably, but I've never been tested. Cats.

/this just seems like a low cost, natural alternative to drugs

Ah yes, I understand that one. Do you live with a cat or two?

You'll probably need some instruction on the neti pot, and some trial and error. I would be squeamish about salt water up the nose, but if it unstuffs you, then it's worth it.

29 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:24:50am

The puppy we were going to adopt had a "parvo" disease so that was the end of him, according to the County. What do we know about this disease?

30 Truck Monkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:27:44am

re: #22 Killian Bundy

Has anyone ever used a Neti pot?

/it sure would be nice not to have a stuffed up nose all the time

It works. I have one that I don't use often but it does help me come ragweed season in late summer.

31 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:29:37am

re: #28 Silvergirl

Ah yes, I understand that one. Do you live with a cat or two?

You'll probably need some instruction on the neti pot, and some trial and error. I would be squeamish about salt water up the nose, but if it unstuffs you, then it's worth it.

They come with instructions, there's even videos, and you can buy a year's supply of pharmaceutical salt for $12.

/cats are best kept in pairs

32 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:31:28am

re: #29 Boogberg

The puppy we were going to adopt had a "parvo" disease so that was the end of him, according to the County. What do we know about this disease?

/quite a bit

33 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:34:13am

re: #12 BlueCanuck

Well I am out of here to. Get to sleep early for once. Big snow storm on the way in and I got four walks to shovel when it happens. Have a good night all, stay scaly, warm, and friendly.

quitter... see if *you* get any fruitcup.

34 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:40:17am

re: #32 Killian Bundy

/quite a bit

Thanks, Killian.

How awful. Highly contagious as well. Jeez.

35 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:43:58am

re: #29 Boogberg

Our daughter bought this wonderful pup...ended up being the love of our lives. He got parvo at seven months, even though we were careful not to take him out to public parks, etc. We even had water and bleach for everyone to put their shoes in before they entered our house. He made it, thanks to a vet that researched. Lots of Vitamin K and some kind of horse serum ($500.00 plus $200.00 at the stupid all-night vet who didn't know what he was doing). He lived 11 years but cancer got him later. He had already had the shots but the good vet said that he sends the vaccine back if the date is bad, demands fresh vaccine and keeps it refrigerated. It's an awful disease. Very rampant here in Calif.

Nite. I was headed for bed when I saw your post. Sorry to ramble.

36 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:46:05am

re: #19 Mr. E. Train

But thats why they do suicide attacks. They KNOW they are losers and the only way they'll get the hot chicks (72 virgins), the big house and bling (the high holy whore house in Allahs hood) is to strap on the vest and 'splode themselves in a group of infidels.

When your entire nation/culture looks like the worse burnt out ghetto in Watts, you never see a woman that isnt your mom/sister/wife, there isnt a decent job to be had for love or money and every authority figure around you yammers on and on about how the best thing you can do is be a martyr... Hell, I might 'splode myself to!

Watts?

WTF?!?!?

you ever drive through there?

the streets are paved. every house has electricity, unless you don't pay the bill, and there are programs to help you with that. the water comes out of the pipe in your house, and you can drink it. (many people don't because you can't where they came from, and you know nothing changes, even when you change countries, so they spend discretionary income to haul pretty much the same water home) billing is the same as the electrical side of the house. yeah, you gotta pay, but there's always a pot of our money to help cover their bill.

you gotta drive slow down the streets, not because they're bad, or because there's raw sewage in the gutters. it's because the streets are lined with cars, trucks, minivans and SUV's owned by the people who live there. it'd be easier to count the houses with out a satellite TV dish, that those with, and you'd still have to check those for a cable hook up.

etc, etc, etc... maybe you meant Detroit or Chicago?

plus the weather *doesn't* suck in Watts.

37 capitalist piglet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:47:20am

re: #22 Killian Bundy

Has anyone ever used a Neti pot?

/it sure would be nice not to have a stuffed up nose all the time

I haven't used one, but you can buy saline in cans (Simply Saline) to use for the same purpose. If I use it routinely, I never get sinus infections.

38 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:47:59am

Remember, your body needs 6 to 8 glasses of fluid daily. Straight up or on the rocks.

O'Rourke, P.J.

39 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:52:03am

re: #36 redc1c4

oh, and i forgot to mention: it's almost all single family homes with yards, or duplexes, with some small apartments (2 story)... and the ocean is just a few miles west, which mediates the weather to pretty much the LA 'norm'.

40 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:53:24am

re: #31 Killian Bundy

They come with instructions, there's even videos, and you can buy a year's supply of pharmaceutical salt for $12.

/cats are best kept in pairs

pharmaceutical salt? you're kidding, right?

NaCl is NaCl...

41 Truck Monkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:55:44am

re: #40 redc1c4

pharmaceutical salt? you're kidding, right?

NaCl is NaCl...

Salt for the Neti Pot has to be non-iodized.

42 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:58:36am

re: #40 redc1c4

pharmaceutical salt? you're kidding, right?

NaCl is NaCl...

/Neti Pot Salt, 99.99% pure non-iodized salt, pharmaceutical grade

43 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:01:55am

Vanishing Point

/just starting on FMC

44 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:03:10am

re: #35 Pvt Bin Jammin

Our daughter bought this wonderful pup...ended up being the love of our lives. He got parvo at seven months, even though we were careful not to take him out to public parks, etc. We even had water and bleach for everyone to put their shoes in before they entered our house. He made it, thanks to a vet that researched. Lots of Vitamin K and some kind of horse serum ($500.00 plus $200.00 at the stupid all-night vet who didn't know what he was doing). He lived 11 years but cancer got him later. He had already had the shots but the good vet said that he sends the vaccine back if the date is bad, demands fresh vaccine and keeps it refrigerated. It's an awful disease. Very rampant here in Calif.

Nite. I was headed for bed when I saw your post. Sorry to ramble.

Ramble all you want, Bro. If it weren't for my co-workers, my niece would be without a puppy this Christmas. They came through at the last minute. She cradles the puppy around like a little baby. Get this- A fucking bulldog!

Bwahahahahahaha!

45 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:06:52am

re: #41 Truck Monkey

Salt for the Neti Pot has to be non-iodized.

non-iodized salt is kosher salt...

it's also available in other forms.

i keep both kinds of Morton's on hand for cooking and serving.

i cook with non, since some claim that it effects flavor, and i serve with iodized, since i don't want to be responsible for anyone getting goiter.

the only "pharmaceutical grade" sodium chloride i've ever seen is 23.4% Sodium Chloride for Injection, USP"

46 Spiritualized  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:07:05am

BILL CLINTON RELEASES DONOR LIST


the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia itself donated between $10 million to $25 million to the William J. Clinton Foundation, the nonprofit that manages his presidential library in Arkansas as well as donate to charities around the world.

Foreign governments directly donated at least $41 million.

In addition, Saudi businessman Nasser Al-Rashid gave between $1 million to $5 million, as did the organizations Friends of Saudi Arabia and the Dubai Foundation.

Other Middle Eastern government donors include Kuwait, Qatar, Brunei and Oman - all of whom gave between $1 million to $5 million. Norway donated $5 to $10 million while Italy and Jamaica gave between $50,000 to $100,000.

Can we see Barry's donor list now?

47 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:07:48am

re: #43 Killian Bundy

Vanishing Point

/just starting on FMC

i've got the DVD: no commercials, no edits...

48 LizardBennet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:08:05am

[Link: fuckyoupenguin.blogspot.com...]

If I could give this above article 100 updings I would. Hilarious.

49 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:09:16am

re: #44 Boogberg

Bin Jammin's a "sis", not a "bro"...

FYI.

50 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:10:56am

re: #47 redc1c4

no commercials, no edits...

/FMC doesn't do either

51 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:11:10am

re: #48 LizardBennet

[Link: fuckyoupenguin.blogspot.com...]

If I could give this above article 100 updings I would. Hilarious.

you could at least credit the Jawas...

52 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:12:11am

re: #50 Killian Bundy

/FMC doesn't do either

yeah, but i can stop for beer runs, etc...

(in either direction too.)

53 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:13:33am

re: #49 redc1c4

Bin Jammin's a "sis", not a "bro"...

FYI.

Ah crap! Sorry. But then again, brotherhood could be metaphorical. :D

54 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:14:08am

Neti pot abuse

/someone has to be the class clown

55 Cognito  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:14:57am

re: #42 Killian Bundy

/Neti Pot Salt, 99.99% pure non-iodized salt, pharmaceutical grade

Doesn't that just describe kosher salt?

I'm curious to try one of those things, just to see what's up.

56 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:15:12am

re: #52 redc1c4

yeah, but i can stop for beer runs, etc...

(in either direction too.)

/my cable does that too, it comes with a DVR

57 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:16:23am

re: #55 Cognito

Doesn't that just describe kosher salt?

/whatever, $12 for a year's supply

58 Cognito  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:18:42am

Retreating now to the sink with some kosher salt and a Sigg bottle with warm water.

Send in SWAT if I'm not back in two minutes.

59 LizardBennet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:24:39am

re: #51 redc1c4
Who are Jawas? It was a "top rated link" from SusanL above. I'm half asleep so your post probly went over my head.

60 Cognito  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:24:50am

Hmmm.

Sigg bottle fail.

The problem, if you're already stuffed-up on one side, is that the water has nowhere to go. Except into your throat and, apparently, brain.

Neti Pot: Yer doin it wrong.

61 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:24:53am

Sorry to be a little late tonight. Some friends invited me to the MGM tonight to see David Copperfield's show with them.

"How was it?" you ask. Well, since you'll be hearing about tonight's Copperfield show in the papers and on TV anyway:

David Copperfield Assistant Rushed to Hospital During Las Vegas Show

One of David Copperfield's magician's assistants was rushed to the hospital with a severe injury during the finale performance of his MGM Grand Las Vegas show Wednesday, a rep for Copperfield tells Usmagazine.com.

"During an illusion where David attempts to walk through the rotating blades of a 12-foot high industrial fan, the fan and its platform were being rotated by one of David's illusion technicians," the rep says. "Just prior to David himself walking through the fan, [the assistant] was accidentally pulled into the vortex of the moving fan blades, causing injury to his arm and face."

The Clark County Fire Department confirms that they received a call at 11:25 p.m. from the theater.

"It was reported that someone’s arm was stuck in a fan prop," Scott Allison, the fire department's spokesperson, tells Us. When paramedics arrived, the assistant's arm was free and had suffered severe bleeding.

Here's a video of how the routine looks when done properly!

62 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:26:08am

re: #60 Cognito

Hmmm.

Sigg bottle fail.

The problem, if you're already stuffed-up on one side, is that the water has nowhere to go. Except into your throat and, apparently, brain.

Neti Pot: Yer doin it wrong.

/Instructional Video

63 Cognito  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:28:19am

re: #62 Killian Bundy

/Instructional Video

Oh, I know. But there are some physics at work, there. The Neti pot, I see now, is shaped that way for a reason. Without the spout coming from the bottom of the pot, you've got to tilt your head too far to the side.

64 redc1c4  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:36:24am

re: #58 Cognito

Retreating now to the sink with some kosher salt and a Sigg bottle with warm water.

Send in SWAT if I'm not back in two minutes.

just hold you head under until you can't blow anymore bubbles.

65 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:45:32am

re: #63 Cognito

Oh, I know. But there are some physics at work, there. The Neti pot, I see now, is shaped that way for a reason. Without the spout coming from the bottom of the pot, you've got to tilt your head too far to the side.

You need to be using the Yeti Pot, a common fixture in Tibetan households that lack inside plumbing.

66 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:53:56am

Omigod, I think I killed the thread.

/slinks away

67 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:54:23am

re: #47 redc1c4
One of the BEST movies from my "yut!"..Was that a D-9 Blade he packed it into in the end?...Me mems is foggy on that.

68 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:55:57am

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

Nah. Everyone just went to the kitchen to get their spoons...

69 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:56:12am

re: #46 Spiritualized


2040 or there abouts...;]

70 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:57:41am

littleoldlady! Howdy!

I'll tip you for the fruitcup, but considering how my night went, I may skip eating for a while.

71 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 1:59:51am

re: #68 littleoldlady

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

Nah. Everyone just went to the kitchen to get their spoons...

...not to mention there's a problem with my spoons.

72 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

73 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:00:17am

re: #72 littleoldlady

Thanks!

74 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:00:43am

re: #68 littleoldlady

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

Nah. Everyone just went to the kitchen to get their spoons...

Good morning, LOL! I'm at work, so I cannot access Youtube from behind the firewall.

Would that be the '80s band by that name? There is also a young woman singer from Vancouver by the name of Rae Spoon, IIRC. She is quite good.

75 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:01:28am

re: #74 Alberta Oil Peon

Good morning, LOL! I'm at work, so I cannot access Youtube from behind the firewall.

Would that be the '80s band by that name? There is also a young woman singer from Vancouver by the name of Rae Spoon, IIRC. She is quite good.

It's a video lesson on how to play the spoons.

76 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:01:45am

re: #71 gmsc

Man, I can't take either kind of gross this early.

/who am I kidding?! I'm world-class squeamish!
//ANY time of day

77 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:02:34am

Sharmuta! :-)

gmsc! :-)

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

78 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:03:44am
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Morning Lizards. Thanks lol.

79 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:04:08am

re: #76 littleoldlady

Man, I can't take either kind of gross this early.

/who am I kidding?! I'm world-class squeamish!
//ANY time of day

Sorry - just be glad you weren't in Vegas tonight.

Actually, be glad you weren't in Las Vegas last night, either - You wouldn't recognize it!

80 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:06:12am

re: #70 gmsc

littleoldlady! Howdy!

I'll tip you for the fruitcup, but considering how my night went, I may skip eating for a while.

I read your earlier post about the incident at the David Copperfield show.

What the H*** is the fascination with big industrial fans, anyway? They have become a cliche in music videos, in movies, even in pr0n flicks, at least so I've been told.

IMHO, they are good things to stay away from, much like helicopter rotors and D9 tracks.

81 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:06:43am

Erik! :-)

re: #79 gmsc

SNOW!? LOL!

/what am I laughing at?! we're about to get hit, too - just when I'm getting ready to hit the dusty trail south...

82 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:06:58am

re: #58 Cognito


Dude, "Water-Pic" has the nasal adapter. Just add a tsp. of "deionized" salt to the reservoir with warm H2O and you can purge the nasal system up to and including the Frontal sinuses of the goo that mocks you. Gotta not be afraid of water coursing through your inner face though...try a glass of ...oranges prior to the attempt...

83 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:08:32am

re: #80 Alberta Oil Peon

I read your earlier post about the incident at the David Copperfield show.

What the H*** is the fascination with big industrial fans, anyway? They have become a cliche in music videos, in movies, even in pr0n flicks, at least so I've been told.

IMHO, they are good things to stay away from, much like helicopter rotors and D9 tracks.

I think it has to do with the fact that they have that "warehouse"/"real industrial world" feel about them.

Besides, Copperfield has been doing that trick for over 10 years (on and off) now, so maybe he started the whole thing!

84 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:08:46am

re: #81 littleoldlady

Erik! :-)

SNOW!? LOL!

/what am I laughing at?! we're about to get hit, too - just when I'm getting ready to hit the dusty trail south...

I'll take your snow, if you will take my -30° C.

Please!

85 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:10:37am

re: #84 Alberta Oil Peon

I'll take your snow, if you will take my -30° C.

Please!

Sorry to rub in in butMy weather

86 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:10:40am

re: #72 littleoldlady

Can I have TODAY fruit-cup?
Yesterday's had some strange green speaks...but I smiled and ate it anyway.

87 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:11:00am

re: #81 littleoldlady

Erik! :-)

SNOW!? LOL!

/what am I laughing at?! we're about to get hit, too - just when I'm getting ready to hit the dusty trail south...

The biggest outdoor attraction in Las Vegas was people taking pictures at the famous "Welcome To Fabulous Las Vegas" sign in the snow!

The real kicker? The Mirage has spent the last few month re-tooling their famous volcano, and last night was set to be opening day! Only in Vegas do you cancel a volcano on account of snow.

88 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:12:14am

re: #87 gmsc

Ah, the joys of global warming!

89 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:12:24am

re: #84 Alberta Oil Peon

I'll take your snow, if you will take my -30° C.

Please!

-30 celsius? That's metric right.

In the imperial system, that's like 45 lbs. or so, isn't it?
;)

90 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:12:31am

re: #85 Erik The Red

Sorry to rub in in butMy weather

Do you take in boarders? I'm housebroken.

91 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:13:23am

re: #60 Cognito

WATER-PIC...I'll send you a demo if ya wish..

92 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:13:28am

re: #90 Alberta Oil Peon

Anytime. Bring sun screen.

93 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:13:34am

re: #86 nightwatch

Can I have TODAY fruit-cup?
Yesterday's had some strange green speaks...but I smiled and ate it anyway.

I hate when that happens...

nightwatch! :-)

94 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:13:45am

re: #88 Sharmuta

Ah, the joys of global warming!

According to the National Weather Service, Las Vegas had it's all-time biggest snowfall of all time last night - 3.6 inches!

Believe me, in a town with only 1.8 million people and 12 snowplows, that's a lot of snow.

95 freetoken  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:13:50am

re: #72 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yummm... but where is the dinosaur meat pie?

96 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:14:51am

re: #89 gmsc

-30 celsius? That's metric right.

In the imperial system, that's like 45 lbs. or so, isn't it?
;)

Let's put it this way: the brass monkeys can be found in the soprano section of the choir.

97 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:15:19am

re: #93 littleoldlady

Ouch and spell-check

98 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:15:37am

re: #95 freetoken

freetoken! :-)

Okay, that's funny!

99 yochanan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:16:24am

the chicago sun times is crediting and linking a story about rham emanual talking to blago to LGF.

WAY TO GO CHARLES

100 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:16:46am

re: #95 freetoken

That might be the dumbest question I've ever seen. I would think it was a joke, but then- there is that creationist museum...

101 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:17:14am

re: #93 littleoldlady

No u-tube for me...filter block for the kiddo's and such..

102 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:17:55am

re: #85 Erik The Red

Sorry to rub in in butMy weather

If we're having a bad weather contest, I'd like to suggest Ojmjakon, Russia for the winner.

Saturday is expected to be party cloudy there, with highs around -43 F/-41 C! Yes, those are the highs! At night, the temperatures will drop down to a level better discussed in degrees Kelvin.

103 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:18:57am

re: #101 nightwatch

Then you missed a talking food bit.

/no prob. I'm sure you'll survive the disappointment... ;-)

104 freetoken  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:20:57am

re: #100 Sharmuta

I never know what to think when I see questions like that. Nevertheless, there is no doubt that there are people who believe such things.

On the other hand... if the older dinos aren't available for snacking... perhaps their offspring will do... anyone up for some pheasant w/ cranberry sauce?

105 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:22:14am

re: #102 gmsc

If we're having a bad weather contest, I'd like to suggest Ojmjakon, Russia for the winner.

Saturday is expected to be party cloudy there, with highs around -43 F/-41 C! Yes, those are the highs! At night, the temperatures will drop down to a level better discussed in degrees Kelvin.

I have actually experienced -50 weather, at Sturgeon Lake, Ontario. I killed a Chevy pickup because of it. Got the engine started with a boost, and drove for a few miles, but the oil was so stiff, it twisted off the drive shaft to the oil pump. Hertz was not amused.

106 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:22:31am

re: #104 freetoken

Mmmm- I love cranberries.

107 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:27:16am

re: #102 gmsc

Sorry I did not cache the article from one of my SCI journals, seems we are in a 50 year weather cycle that will bring "colder" than usual storm systems from the gulf of Alaska into the Pacific NorthWest and Ca. This last system into L.A seems to prove this model accurate. (Had to look out for black ice on my way home from work) AL GORE? COME ON DOWN!

108 gmsc  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:27:29am

Well, time to pack it in for the night.

I'm going to try and get the show out of my mind, and go to sleep.

Good night, all!

109 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:28:56am
110 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:29:54am

re: #108 gmsc

Well, time to pack it in for the night.

I'm going to try and get the show out of my mind, and go to sleep.

Good night, all!

Good night. I hope that you are successful in putting aside the shock of witnessing that event.

111 freetoken  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:33:40am

re: #107 nightwatch

You're probably thinking about the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

112 littleoldlady  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:36:48am

I have a tons of stuff to get done around here, so I'll be back-and-forth a bit...

SHARMUTA!

Starting Sunday I'll be in "may or may not" fruitcup mode. (Depends upon how close I am to a computer.) Sharpen your knife, okay? ;-)

TIA!

113 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:39:50am

O-key

so the weather in Minna-So-Cold is getting Frankenly brutal!

What do you want to "DO" and I don't mean talk..."I" MEAN DO?

Just like the NEW and IMPROVED DONKEY TAXES for the Golden State?

I say.."TEA PARTY!"...with lemon

114 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:40:50am

re: #111 freetoken

THANK YOU!

and yes

115 nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:46:57am

re: #111 freetoken

Is your avatar him? Not judging, just asking, (my eyes not so good, even with the +2.00 readers).

116 blues fan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:48:58am

Last day of work today! As of 3:30 this afternoon, I'm off until Jan 5. Woohoo!

117 freetoken  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:52:23am

re: #115 nightwatch

By clicking on the avatar, you can bring up a larger image.

118 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:52:42am

I hope there's some strawberries in Fruitcup this morning. :D

119 Nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:53:29am

re: #116 blues fan


NICE...
Enjoy the Holidays... From my perspective..."Merry Christmas!"

120 Nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 2:56:03am

re: #117 freetoken


The One...can even see the tobacco stains (fellow smoker)...:)

121 Nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:08:28am

Good Morning Lizards,

Must go out and light the smudge-pots under the Orange tree... the freeze is about tonight.

122 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:08:40am

re: #120 Nightwatch

The One...can even see the tobacco stains (fellow smoker)...:)

You killed the thread Nw.

123 Nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:14:32am

re: #122 Erik The Red

Naw, just adjusted the throttle intake and increased the Fuel/Air mixture a bit...being it so cold and all...;)

124 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:15:24am

re: #121 Nightwatch

Good Morning Lizards,

Must go out and light the smudge-pots under the Orange tree... the freeze is about tonight.

Citrus trees don't like the cold weather, that's for sure.

125 akak  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:21:16am
Russia to axe some weapons if US abandons shield

testing 123, testing 123

126 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:22:18am

re: #125 akak

testing 123, testing 123

I think everyone has gone into hibernation for the winter.

127 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:23:05am

Is this the sweet spot when no one's paying attention? :D

128 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:23:59am

Good Morning Lizards!

129 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:24:48am

Morning!

130 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:25:20am

re: #128 HoosierHoops

Morning HH.

131 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:26:39am

Colts won last night..our team rocks! Manning for MVP!

132 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:28:04am

Good morning, Lizards.

133 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:28:24am

Superbowl predictions?

134 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:29:03am

re: #132 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning gotc

135 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:29:16am

Goddess.

136 Nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:29:16am

re: #124 Boogberg

Not a true smudge...I confess...but 2 propane bases used for turkey frying with sheet metal plates laid atop the flames to diffuse the heat up into the most fav. of orange trees in the entire of my neighborhood. Granted, the Citrus Growers in this state will have a far bigger battle to wage over the next 72 hours and given the current state of the economy...maybe a life or death battle to save their businesses!

137 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:29:29am

re: #132 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning Godess!

138 freetoken  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:30:29am

re: #125 akak

testing 123, testing 123

Well, I've decided to give a try at programming my (new) iMac... so I'm deep into going through the BecomeAnXcoder website... so my attention is, shall we say, divided among many open windows.

139 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:31:41am

re: #133 Boogberg

Superbowl predictions?

I'll go with Broncos/Giants

140 Nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:31:50am

re: #132 goddessoftheclassroom

Wow,

Burned my hand lighting my heaters, and now there you are...

141 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:32:04am

{Erik The Red}
{Boogberg}
{HoosierHoops}

What are your predictions for a white Christmas? I'm in western PA, so I'm always hopeful.

142 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:32:56am

re: #139 TheMatrix31

I'll go with Broncos/Giants

Manning vs. Manning in the Superbowl
weee!

143 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:34:35am

re: #141 goddessoftheclassroom

{Erik The Red}
{Boogberg}
{HoosierHoops}

What are your predictions for a white Christmas? I'm in western PA, so I'm always hopeful.

I haven't had a white Christmas in 26 years. Can't say I miss the horrible white shit. But Christmas is just not the same for me. Maybe I could handle 1 week of the year. My Christmas day will be spent by the pool with plenty of ice cold beer.

144 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:34:36am

re: #141 goddessoftheclassroom

{Erik The Red}
{Boogberg}
{HoosierHoops}

What are your predictions for a white Christmas? I'm in western PA, so I'm always hopeful.

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
Just like the kind I used to know...
/wait a sec.. I grew up in California.. that won't work..

145 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:35:40am

re: #139 TheMatrix31

I'll go with Broncos/Giants

Well I'm cheering for Tampa Bay. It wasn't so long ago that they were the worst team in the NFL.

146 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:35:58am

re: #143 Erik The Red

I haven't had a white Christmas in 26 years. Can't say I miss the horrible white shit. But Christmas is just not the same for me. Maybe I could handle 1 week of the year. My Christmas day will be spent by the pool with plenty of ice cold beer.

I'm coming to your house

147 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:37:43am

I can count my white Christmases on one hand, but for sentimental, idealistic value, I also hope for one.

I actually like snow.

148 Nightwatch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:37:50am

Now I must go out and tend to the orange, lest it dies, could be a long nite...

Merry Christmas Lizards,

And...A Hopeful New Year...

149 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:38:02am

re: #141 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm in western PA, so I'm always hopeful.


Do you know where Choconut is?

150 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:39:11am

re: #148 Nightwatch

Now I must go out and tend to the orange, lest it dies, could be a long nite...

Merry Christmas Lizards,

And...A HopefuFulfilled Hopes New Year...

Just a suggestion!

151 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:39:28am

re: #149 UFO TOFU

Do you know where Choconut is?

No, I don't. Where is it?

152 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:40:29am

re: #144 HoosierHoops

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
Just like the kind I used to know...
/wait a sec.. I grew up in California.. that won't work..

Snow was cool for about two days. Then it sucked. Working service, you can't be tracking that shit in people's houses.

153 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:42:02am

re: #151 goddessoftheclassroom

It's a very small town not too far from Binghamton. I used to visit every summer as a kid. I loved that state.

154 Bubblehead II  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:44:14am

Morning all. From a cold, windy and snow covered Twin falls.

Look for the Left to be in deep mourning today.

W. Mark Felt, 'Deep Throat' of Watergate, dead at 95

155 rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:44:15am

I'm loving life at least once a week the Obamanation pisses off his base. He's gonna end up a 4 year president thankfully and hopefully one who breaks every one of his campaign promises(or at least most).

156 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:46:08am

Good morning.

The overnight market futures are pointing fractionally down, the Nikkei is down about 0.60% and the Hang Seng is down 2.4%

The market is waiting to hear if the auto makers get bailed out or not.

Of course they will. There may be an announcement on that later today.

157 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:46:57am

re: #155 rancher

I'm loving life at least once a week the Obamanation pisses off his base. He's gonna end up a 4 year president thankfully and hopefully one who breaks every one of his campaign promises(or at least most).

I don't know...If he governs as a centrist do nothing a la Clinton, the drones of America will give him another 4.

158 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:47:07am

re: #152 Boogberg

Snow was cool for about two days. Then it sucked. Working service, you can't be tracking that shit in people's houses.

We just had another fellow worker transfer here from California.. She and her boyfriend upgraded from a small apt. in San Diego to a huge house here.
10 of us have transfered here.
The other night after work she was trying to clean thick ice off her windshield with a credit card..
I had to scrap her windshield and she had to run to the store and buy one.
My first winter here i didn't know you needed a snow shovel..big mistake one morning...i called in to work and they laughed at me for weeks...who knew?

159 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:47:21am

We got about an inch of icy global warming coating everything outside here this morning.

160 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:47:54am

re: #155 rancher

I'm loving life at least once a week the Obamanation pisses off his base. He's gonna end up a 4 year president thankfully and hopefully one who breaks every one of his campaign promises(or at least most).

I must admit that I'm not that upset anymore that McCain lost. I really, really, tried to like him, but I will always remember how he seemed to twist a knife in the back of President Bush on the talk show/news circuit. I LOVE Sarah Palin, and I hope she'll be back.

161 NYCHardhat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:48:31am

re: #159 3 wood

We got about an inch of icy global warming coating everything outside here this morning.

Speaking of that...The Big Apple and surrounding areas will be assaulted by an Al Gore monster. 4-6 inches.

162 Crux Australis  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:48:35am

All Australian troops out of Iraq by July. That 's what I heard from several sources today.

163 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:48:56am

re: #158 HoosierHoops

My first winter here i didn't know you needed a snow shovel..big mistake one morning...i called in to work and they laughed at me for weeks...who knew?

I've known people who called in when it rained.

164 Bubblehead II  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:50:51am

re: #159 3 wood

About the same here coupled with a 5-10 mph wind. Highway 93 is going to suck this morning.


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165 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:51:38am

re: #156 3 wood

Good morning.

The overnight market futures are pointing fractionally down, the Nikkei is down about 0.60% and the Hang Seng is down 2.4%

The market is waiting to hear if the auto makers get bailed out or not.

Of course they will. There may be an announcement on that later today.

Am I going to get my 500 shares of GM at 3.00?

166 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:52:22am

Two items this morning.

First: The right front tire on my car has gone flat.

Second: The asshole who betrayed President Nixon and subsequently empowered the commie-peacefreak faction in Congress, thus allowing them to sell South Vietnam and Cambodia to the Reds, has achieved room temperature.

My previous comments on this piece of excrement are here and here.

Burn in Hell motherf***er.
_

167 Bubblehead II  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:53:47am

re: #164 Bubblehead II

Lets try this again.

About the same here coupled with a 5-10 mph wind. Highway 93 is going to suck this morning.


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168 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:55:46am

re: #163 3 wood

I've known people who called in when it rained.

That's funny...As a native from Napa Valley the only time I called in for rain was when Napa had a hundred year flood in the 80's. Last time i saw my car it was floating away in the napa river...The water went up to our first floor of the house to the ceiling...We sat in the upstairs for a couple of days.
We lost everything in the end except the bedroom stuff.

169 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:59:31am

re: #166 The Other Les
How come the MSM never reports the events in Vietnam as such?
/sarc

170 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 3:59:58am

re: #157 NYCHardhat
Yeah he looks to be going centrist but in doing so he's really ticking off his base and I am hoping that ruins him in 2012.

171 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:00:29am

re: #169 Taqyia2Me

How come the MSM never reports the events in Vietnam as such?
/sarc

Yes... I know...

172 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:01:24am

re: #158 HoosierHoops

We just had another fellow worker transfer here from California.. She and her boyfriend upgraded from a small apt. in San Diego to a huge house here.
10 of us have transfered here.
The other night after work she was trying to clean thick ice off her windshield with a credit card..
I had to scrap her windshield and she had to run to the store and buy one.
My first winter here i didn't know you needed a snow shovel..big mistake one morning...i called in to work and they laughed at me for weeks...who knew?

This kind of weather is not for the timid. I lived in St. Louis long enough to see a bank sign say 2 degrees. Florida boys ain't down with that. :D

173 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:02:09am

Drew Peterson getting married again. Looks like hes maybe going Manson-lite.

174 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:02:18am

re: #166 The Other Les

Two items this morning.

First: The right front tire on my car has gone flat.

Second: The asshole who betrayed President Nixon and subsequently empowered the commie-peacefreak faction in Congress, thus allowing them to sell South Vietnam and Cambodia to the Reds, has achieved room temperature.

My previous comments on this piece of excrement are here and here.

Burn in Hell motherf***er.
_

Santa Rosa? down the road from where i grew up..

175 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:04:07am

re: #158 HoosierHoops

We had several inches here in socal when I woke up yesterday. There were so many cars spun out they closed Hwy 38.

176 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:04:42am

Got to run--have a great day!

177 daledog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:05:12am

By definition terrorists are desperate. Yet we often talk as if they are in charge. Terrorism could be severely curtailed in 5 years if the world would have the will and the willingness to see islam as it is.

178 Bubblehead II  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:05:15am

Well this is taking the Biblical edict to be fruitful and multiply to the extreme.

Growing Duggar Family Welcomes 18th Child.

Michelle Duggar delivered the baby girl by Caesarean section Thursday at Mercy Medical Center in Rogers. The baby, named Jordyn-Grace Makiya Duggar, weighed 7 pounds, 3 ounces and was 20 inches long.

179 Bubblehead II  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:06:02am

re: #176 goddessoftheclassroom

Have a good day goddess.

180 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:06:07am

Any links bringing up the hypocrisy of the lack-of-criticism for Caroline Kennedy versus the absolute slaughter of Sarah Palin?

181 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:06:46am

re: #172 Boogberg

This kind of weather is not for the timid. I lived in St. Louis long enough to see a bank sign say 2 degrees. Florida boys ain't down with that. :D

i hear that..I remember in 1974 or 75 we had a light snow in Napa.
Everybody ran outside to be in it.. It was amazing. Not so amazing these days in Indiana. It's really surprising my wife hasn't divorced me and moved home..She makes me clean off her car every morning of snow and ice.

182 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:07:46am

re: #180 TheMatrix31
She's just doing it out of a sense of civic duty. You know like voting which she's managed to miss doing in almost half of the last 38 elections, most of the missed votes were during primaries.

183 Crux Australis  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:08:27am

re: #160 goddessoftheclassroom

I must admit that I'm not that upset anymore that McCain lost. I really, really, tried to like him, but I will always remember how he seemed to twist a knife in the back of President Bush on the talk show/news circuit. I LOVE Sarah Palin, and I hope she'll be back.

If the MSM have their way the United States will never have a female President. Look at how they trashed Sarah Palin and to a lesser extent Hillary Clinton.

Do you think Sarah is willing to let her family be put through the MSM grinder again?

184 Bubblehead II  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:08:31am

Well time to go. Since the roads are going be lousy, want to leave a bit early.
Keep it safe Lizards.

L8R.

185 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:08:57am

re: #175 UFO TOFU

We had several inches here in socal when I woke up yesterday. There were so many cars spun out they closed Hwy 38.

You got snow in Socal? amazing! Not san diego right? are you in the valley?

186 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:10:24am

re: #185 HoosierHoops I'm still amazed about the 3.5 inches of snow in Las Vegas.

187 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:10:31am

re: #146 HoosierHoops

I'm coming to your house

re: #178 Bubblehead II

Well this is taking the Biblical edict to be fruitful and multiply to the extreme.

Growing Duggar Family Welcomes 18th Child.

Michelle Duggar delivered the baby girl by Caesarean section Thursday at Mercy Medical Center in Rogers. The baby, named Jordyn-Grace Makiya Duggar, weighed 7 pounds, 3 ounces and was 20 inches long.

I am speechless.

188 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:11:04am

re: #185 HoosierHoops

Inland Empire, a little east of Redlands.

189 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:11:08am

re: #185 HoosierHoops

You got snow in Socal? amazing! Not san diego right? are you in the valley?

I drove through a snowstorm in New Mexico last February.

It's not fun when you're behind the wheel of someone else's tractor-trailer unit.

190 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:13:08am

re: #186 Rancher

I'm still amazed about the 3.5 inches of snow in Las Vegas.

Are you serious? 3 1/2 inches in Vegas?
It's the end of the world! LOL

191 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:13:47am

Between daddy's name Jim Bob it just bring to mind the prolificly idiotic family at the beginning of idiocracy contrasting the childless intelligent couple.
re: #178 Bubblehead II

192 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:15:32am

From GMSC's 98 above

According to the National Weather Service, Las Vegas had it's all-time biggest snowfall of all time last night - 3.6 inches!
193 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:15:55am

re: #191 Rancher

Between daddy's name Jim Bob it just bring to mind the prolificly idiotic family at the beginning of idiocracy contrasting the childless intelligent couple.


There is not much to say about that family - 18 kids? What were they thinking assumes that they were thinking.

194 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:16:05am

re: #192 Rancher

Number 94 above not 98.

195 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:16:18am

re: #192 Rancher

From GMSC's 98 above

I heard on the news that it was the most since 1979 when they had 8 inches, but I don't know..

196 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:18:20am

re: #187 Erik The Red

I am speechless.

The Superior BeingsTM at FARK have had a long standing running sneer at that family.

197 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:18:44am

re: #188 UFO TOFU

Inland Empire, a little east of Redlands.

huh? Guess i'll need to google the area.
As you very well know us Northern California boys will have nothing to do with you SoCal people. I've been to LA once in my life..and hated it.
You steal all of our water down there..LOL

198 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:20:49am

Globull warming at its finest.

199 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:20:52am

FNC is discussing the whole bankruptcy vs bailout...

The compensation restrictions placed on management and how the UAW would be impacted --previous agreements no longer in effect..


That is why they say "bankruptcy is not an option" (to them)

200 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:21:22am

re: #197 HoosierHoops

huh? Guess i'll need to google the area.
As you very well know us Northern California boys will have nothing to do with you SoCal people. I've been to LA once in my life..and hated it.
You steal all of our water down there..LOL

Us Fresno people feel the same way. Hated LA, moved to LA in 2000 with my family, still hate it.

201 Boogberg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:21:46am

How to get a six-year old to go to school when she's the new proud owner of a puppy? Let the beatings commence!

202 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:23:28am

re: #195 TheMatrix31

It breaks the current december record of 2 inches but fails compared to the 1974 9inch record I'm guessing it was a January storm.

203 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:23:33am

re: #197 HoosierHoops

As you very well know us Northern California boys will have nothing to do with you SoCal people.


That coming from a Napa expatriate?
Just kidding. Gotta run, have to see how bad the ice is before the drivers show up.
Later.

204 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:23:51am

re: #200 TheMatrix31

Us Fresno people feel the same way. Hated LA, moved to LA in 2000 with my family, still hate it.

oh crap.. I hear you.. I was born in Firebaugh.
and a country boy can survive

205 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:24:34am
206 BaseballMom57  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:29:32am

Wow - I may be late to the party on this, but did any of you see the trailerfor the new XMen movie? I just watched it on LawHawk's site. All I can saw is ... WOW.

Watch it here...

207 TheMatrix31  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:30:56am

re: #204 HoosierHoops

oh crap.. I hear you.. I was born in Firebaugh.
and a country boy can survive

I used to drive through Firebaugh on trips with my Dad when I was a kid when he used to come out and do medical equipment repairs at doctor's offices around the area.

208 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:31:40am

The defense team for the Fort Dix 5 is claiming they weren't planning on doing anything.

209 quickjustice  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:36:11am

re: #199 summergurl

Chapter 11 bankruptcy is a chance for Detroit to restructure, downsize, survive, and eventually prosper. Management and the unions are jointly to blame for the current crisis. They're going to have to sacrifice to survive.

Instead, they want US to sacrifice to prolong their current, agonizing death spiral.

210 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:36:55am

re: #208 Rancher

Five of the men arrested, according to news reports, intended to attack the Fort Dix military base and kill as many servicemen as they could.[2] The sixth man arrested, Abdullahu, has been charged with aiding and abetting in the possession of firearms by the Duka brothers.[10] The group revealed to the FBI informant (a conversation which was recorded) that the five other men intended to "hit a heavy concentration of soldiers [...] You hit four, five or six Humvees and light the whole place [up] and retreat completely without any losses".[8]

The men attempted to purchase weapons from an FBI informant, including AK-47s, M16s, M60s, rocket propelled grenades, rockets, semi-automatic Sig Sauer 9 mm handguns, Smith & Wesson 9 mm, C-4 plastic explosive, and nitroglycerin. The informant told them that the weapons would come from an underground military dealer from Baltimore, Maryland who had recently returned from Egypt.

From Wiki take with grain of salt

211 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:37:40am

re: #209 quickjustice
///As long as it's others making the sacrifice it's ok.

212 BaseballMom57  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:37:53am

re: #205 ploome hineni

Antihistimines are for allergic reactions. Decongestants are for stuffy noses.

Antihistimines can dry out your eyes, lungs and even constipate you. If you take antihistimines when you have a head and/or chest cold, it can make it harder to get well becuase it will dry the secretions and make them harder to get out. You want to keep the secretions wet so you blow/cough them out. Taking Mucinex (the plain kind -not DM or the one with the decongestant unless your doctor clears you to take decon's) and powerhousing good old H2O is good for sinus and chest congestion.

I am a Mom of two asthmatic/allergic kids, and a husband with COPD and congestive heart failure. I've been to National Jewish in Denver with them and received huge amounts of education from the allergists, pulmonologists and pharmacologists there.

A neti pot, when used with sterilized salted water, is WONDERFUL. You can also use the saline spray sold in any pharmacy. Brand name Ocean, but there are cheaper store brands.

213 Joan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:38:50am

re: #187 Erik The Red

I am speechless.

To me, it sounds freakish. Of course, since they are clearly fundamentalist Christians, they must be hated and ridiculed. They've made child-rearing and family their life work. Morons.

It's an aberration in today's society, but then, today's society is an abomination in oh so many ways. So, at the Duggars: nobody getting beat up, nobody illiterate, nobody coerced? Maybe a different kind of person will emerge as an adult out that family culture. Maybe a better kind of person, a person made of sterner stuff that the Eloi generations.

214 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:40:10am

re: #212 BaseballMom57 Baseballmom is pushing Dihydrogen Monoxide everyone hide.

215 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:41:55am

Good Morning LGF.
Woke up expecting to see a blizzard but there's no global warming coming down yet.
Gotta love it when they're wrong about the BAD weather for a change - even if it's just a short reprieve?

216 BaseballMom57  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:42:53am

re: #214 Rancher

LMAO...did my "O" look like a "0"? I guess comic font is not preferable when typing chemical compounds!

217 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:44:14am

re: #207 TheMatrix31

I used to drive through Firebaugh on trips with my Dad when I was a kid when he used to come out and do medical equipment repairs at doctor's offices around the area.

When you enter firebaugh there is a big oil storage tank on the side of the road.. We spent all night painting my name on the outside. Half of it we painted from the top with a long paint roller with extended paint wood connections and the same for the bottom.
It took all night to paint my name on it.
I've been told that my name is still there...ah the youth of crazy friends

218 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:45:47am

re: #210 Rancher

From Wiki take with grain of salt

Sounds like Mumbai.

219 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:47:33am

Good morning, group!

220 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:47:34am

re: #218 MandyManners

Sounds like Mumbai.

Or Bill Ayers writ large.

221 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:47:34am

re: #218 MandyManners

Sounds like Mumbai.

Good morning Mandy!
{Mandy}

222 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:47:43am

re: #216 BaseballMom57
Nah H2O's chemical name is Dihydrogen Monoxide, Hydrogen Monoxide, Hydric Acid all 3 are acceptable.

223 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:47:55am
224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:48:14am

Yawn. Stretch. Etc.

225 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:49:15am

re: #222 Rancher

Nah H2O's chemical name is Dihydrogen Monoxide, Hydrogen Monoxide, Hydric Acid all 3 are acceptable.

You're all wet.

226 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:49:30am

re: #201 Boogberg

How to get a six-year old to go to school when she's the new proud owner of a puppy? Let the beatings commence!

Can she take it in with her for impromptu show-and-tell?

227 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:49:48am

Fort Dix 5 timeline allah wiki.

January 31, 2006 - An individual brings a tape to a Circuit City in New Jersey for duplication and transfer to DVD. The video features 10 young men conducting militia style assault training shooting their weapons at a firing range while shouting "God is great". The Circuit City employee, Brian Morgenstern, who saw the video contacted the Mt. Laurel Police who in turn contacted the FBI.
By April 2006, the FBI hired informant Mahmoud Omar to approach the accused.[23]
August 11, 2006 - Shnewer travels to Fort Dix and Fort Monmouth to conduct surveillance.
August 13, 2006 - Shnewer travels to Dover Air Force Base, Delaware to conduct surveillance.
August 13, 2006 - Shnewer travels to the U.S. Coast Guard building in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to conduct surveillance.
August 16, 2006 - Shnewer travels to Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst to conduct surveillance.
November 28, 2006 - Serdar Tartar, who had delivered pizza to Fort Dix before, obtains a map of the Fort Dix military installation through his employer's pizza delivery restaurant, which services the military base.[24]
February 2, 2007 - Dritan Duka, Eljvir Duka and Sulayman Shain Duka conduct weapons training in Gouldsboro, Pennsylvania.[11]
February 4, 2007 - Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, Dritan Duka, Eljvir Duka and Sulayman Shain Duka review terrorist training materials.
February 26, 2007 - Dritan Duka and Eljvir Duka conduct weapons training in Cherry Hill, New Jersey.[11]
March 15, 2007 - Dritan Duka and Sulayman Shain Duka conduct weapons training in Cherry Hill, New Jersey.
April 16, 2007 - Dritan Duka contacts an arms dealer (an FBI informant) for weaponry.
May 7, 2007 - The FBI arrests six members of the group.[11]
228 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:49:55am

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

You're all wet.

And he's leaking information.

229 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:50:40am

re: #220 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Or Bill Ayers writ large.

Did Ayers and his comrades ever attempt anything this large and sosphisticated?

230 legalpad  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:50:43am

Good Morning, people -

231 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:50:48am

re: #228 Wyatt Earp

I'm also sponging off of wiki today.

232 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:51:06am

re: #221 HoosierHoops

Good morning, HH!

233 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:51:25am

re: #227 Rancher

Sounds like a plan.

234 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:51:42am

re: #231 Rancher

I'm also sponging off of wiki today.

While listening to Puddle of Mudd?

235 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:51:52am

re: #226 MandyManners

Great idea, Mandy! You are such a good mommy!

Boog - what kind of puppy?

236 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:52:12am
237 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:52:22am

Good Morning all...:)

238 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:52:49am

You folks may want to see this before you call out sick from work with a head cold: Man Goes To Work With Bullet In Skull.

239 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:53:30am

Where were those Ft. Dix fucks from? Their names don't sound like typical Muslim ones, and they don't sound like typical Arab ones.

240 DistantThunder  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:53:37am

M. Scott Peck in the book "People of the Lie," states that the essence of evil is laziness and selfishness.

So ulitmately the rapist, the white collar thief, the wife beater are all unwilling to do the legitimate hard work of achieving the results they seek, enlightened satisfaction, through civilized means. They all think that the civilized route is too much work without any guaranteed results.

And for those who think that the rapist can't control himself, notice that rapists wait and chose a time when they can be alone with their victims. They have total control - yet they have also chosen to be lazy and selfish.

241 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:53:46am

re: #233 Who Watches the Watchmen?
Yeah but according to Fox News the defence is claiming the 5 were bullied into talking about blowing up Fort Dix. No clue what excuse they have for buying the weapons the FBI provided to sell to em to catch em red handed.

242 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:53:52am

re: #232 MandyManners

Good morning, HH!

Good morning sweetie.. I'm on Vacation...My wife is not that happy.. She has to work...Me and the dog are holding down the fort.

243 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:54:14am

re: #235 ArmyWife

Great idea, Mandy! You are such a good mommy!

Boog - what kind of puppy?

Boog needs to take along a roll of paper towels. Puppies pee at the drop of a hat when excited.

244 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:54:45am

re: #239 MandyManners

The men continued to hold normal jobs. The Duka brothers, Eljvir, Dritan, and Shain (Albanians from ex-Yugoslavia), operated a roofing business known as Qadr. Inc., Colonial Roofing and National Roofing. Agron Abdullahu (Albanian), Serdar Tatar (a Turkish legal immigrant), and Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer (a U.S. citizen from Jordan) held a variety of jobs, including that of a taxi driver and clerk for 7-Eleven.[
245 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:54:53am

re: #229 MandyManners

Did Ayers and his comrades ever attempt anything this large and sosphisticated?

They targeted a military base with nail bombs but they had a work accident.

246 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:55:47am

re: #242 HoosierHoops

Christmas vacation starts today for The Kid. Oh, joy.

247 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:56:15am

re: #245 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Yeah it was a blast up til then.

248 DistantThunder  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:57:19am

re: #239 MandyManners

Where were those Ft. Dix fucks from? Their names don't sound like typical Muslim ones, and they don't sound like typical Arab ones.

I have served dozens of USO missions at FT Dix which is 5 miles from my home. it is surreal that these self-deputized Barney Fife jihadis thought they could get away with this. Evil numbskulls.

249 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:57:37am
250 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:57:45am

re: #244 Rancher

Three Albanians?!

251 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:57:48am

re: #245 Who Watches the Watchmen?
Oddly enough I think Ayers was planning on hitting Fort Dix as well.

252 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:57:52am

re: #183 Crux Australis

If the MSM have their way the United States will never have a female President. Look at how they trashed Sarah Palin and to a lesser extent Hillary Clinton.

Do you think Sarah is willing to let her family be put through the MSM grinder again?

yeah, but what about caroline kennedy?

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:58:07am

re: #226 MandyManners

Can she take it in with her for impromptu show-and-tell?

Kind of worked for Mary and that little lamb she had.

254 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:58:15am

re: #245 Who Watches the Watchmen?

They targeted a military base with nail bombs but they had a work accident.

I'd forgotten that one.

255 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:58:41am

re: #250 MandyManners
4! 3 of em brothers. 1 got a plea deal since he was only helping aquire the weapons.

256 legalpad  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:58:55am

re: #240 DistantThunder

Good book. He says they never admit to an error, never accept responsibility. It's always somebody else. It's not just criminals that have these traits. "Borderline Personality Disorder" people are like this too, (my ex-wife) and maybe some not quite that crazy.

257 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:59:20am

re: #248 DistantThunder

I have served dozens of USO missions at FT Dix which is 5 miles from my home. it is surreal that these self-deputized Barney Fife jihadis thought they could get away with this. Evil numbskulls.

But for the Circuit City employee, they might have got away with it.

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:59:37am

re: #255 Rancher

Well bless hiss little heart. Only trying to get the weapons, sheesh.

259 legalpad  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:59:55am

re: #246 MandyManners

Oh, joy.

So - school vacations are - good?

260 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:59:55am

re: #242 HoosierHoops

I'm on vacation, too. I was supposed to be on this whole week but had a new site director start, so it was only right for me to ensure his first few days went well - most especially considering the tsunami of reorganization he just inherited, something the interview team neglected to mention.

261 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 4:59:58am

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kind of worked for Mary and that little lamb she had.

*groan*

262 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:00:05am

re: #257 MandyManners
Yeah Kudos to the guy at circuit city peeking at what he was copying.

263 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:00:28am

re: #255 Rancher

4! 3 of em brothers. 1 got a plea deal since he was only helping aquire the weapons.

Did he turn state's evidence, too?

264 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:00:44am

anyone with the first, middle or last name of "mohamed should be arrested. might include hussain with that group too. re: #244 Rancher

265 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:01:42am

re: #240 DistantThunder

M. Scott Peck in the book "People of the Lie," states that the essence of evil is laziness and selfishness.

So ulitmately the rapist, the white collar thief, the wife beater are all unwilling to do the legitimate hard work of achieving the results they seek, enlightened satisfaction, through civilized means. They all think that the civilized route is too much work without any guaranteed results.

And for those who think that the rapist can't control himself, notice that rapists wait and chose a time when they can be alone with their victims. They have total control - yet they have also chosen to be lazy and selfish.

I think they're more evil than lazy.

266 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:02:46am

re: #259 legalpad

So - school vacations are - good?

For the teachers and students. For the parents, they can be *ahem* trying. Oh, well. I won't have to get up at the crack of dawn for a few weeks.

267 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:03:09am

re: #262 Rancher

Yeah Kudos to the guy at circuit city peeking at what he was copying.

I wonder what prompted him.

268 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:04:37am

re: #263 MandyManners

The sixth man arrested, Abdullahu, has been charged with aiding and abetting in the possession of firearms by the Duka brothers. Thinking he wasn't in the videos and could only be tied to the acquisition of weapons.

269 legalpad  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:04:43am

re: #266 MandyManners

For the teachers and students. For the parents, they can be *ahem* trying. Oh, well. I won't have to get up at the crack of dawn for a few weeks.

We had seven. My youngest is now 16. 5,4,3, 2,1 - blast off!

270 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:05:04am

re: #267 MandyManners
He was hoping to watch some homemade porno maybe.

271 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:05:07am

re: #264 apachegunner

anyone with the first, middle or last name of "mohamed should be arrested. might include hussain with that group too.

Hold on, I'll get my cuffs and meet you at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue on January 20th.

272 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:05:35am

Gotta' go do some stuff. bbl

273 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:05:58am

re: #270 Rancher
Or maybe the sounded arabic or said allahu akbar in the store.

274 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:06:45am

re: #266 MandyManners

For the teachers and students. For the parents, they can be *ahem* trying. Oh, well. I won't have to get up at the crack of dawn for a few weeks.

Good luck!

275 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:09:34am

Good morning Lizards...

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:09:46am

re: #257 MandyManners

But for the Circuit City employee, they might have got away with it.

Like one of those "meddling kids" on Scooby Doo! So, they were heroes!

277 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:10:26am

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Like one of those "meddling kids" on Scooby Doo! So, they were heroes!

Hopefully, without the daisy-encrusted hippie van!

278 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:10:58am

Iraqi judge: Shoe-tossing reporter was beaten.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

279 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:11:07am

re: #259 legalpad

So - school vacations are - good?

They're not as much fun as when I was a kid.

280 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:11:12am

Some man was pissed at his property takes so he paid em with 400 pounds of Susan B. Anthony dollars. This was in protest of a 48% tax increase since 2004. Next year if things arent better he may pay in quarters nickels or pennies.

NEW ALBANY, Ind. -- A Floyd County man showed up at the city-county building in New Albany to pay his property taxes with more than $21,000 in coins.

Frank Alford, who owns several single-family rental homes, said it's just his way of protesting higher taxes.

When he walked into the Floyd county treasurer's office Thursday morning, a deputy clerk immediately recognized Alford, because last year, he paid his taxes with dollar bills.

Alford loaded a garbage can with $21,333 in Susan B. Anthony dollar coins, and he carried a sign that read, "Property taxes gone wild."

"I'm letting them know I'm a very unhappy taxpayer," he said.

Alford said his property taxes have gone up 48 percent since 2006, and tax relief recently passed by the Indiana Legislature has done nothing for people who own rental property.

"The owner who lives in their property got all kinds of tax breaks. They don't give you no homestead exemption, no mortgage exemption, nothing," he said. "You're paying double what you're paying than owning your own home."

Alford, a retiree with two hip replacements, loaded what he estimated was 400 pounds of coins and then headed inside to the treasurer's office to settle up.

Paul Ahmann/WLKY
Frank Alford paid his property taxes with $21,333 in dollar coins.

Deputy Clerk Bette Buechler did a quick tally of Alford's property taxes.

When asked if the office has to accept the Susan B. Anthony coins, Buechler said, "I think I'm understanding if it comes in pennies, we don't have to."

A Floyd County deputy sheriff was asked to lend a hand getting the money to a nearby bank to be counted. As for Alford, this may not be his last protest.

"If we don't get some relief, it may be in quarters, dimes, or pennies next year," he said. "I'm angry at them."

281 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:13:30am

Copy cat shoeing anyone?

A deranged straphanger attempted to assault the MTA's chief executive with a shoe at a hearing today. Thankfully police apprehended the man and seized his deadly Oxfords.

Stephen A. Millies, an Amtrak worker, stood up at the MTA's public hearing on forthcoming service cuts and fare hikes, and demanded that MTA exec Elliot Sander identify himself.

Saying “this shoe is for you,” Mr. Millies bent over to take off his shoe — apparently in an effort to take off the shoe and, presumably, throw it at Mr. Sander.

But the cops stopped him before he got the Red Wing 10 1/2 off. Millies was given a summons for disorderly conduct. Unfortunately his lack of planning for foresight will prevent him from becoming a folk hero. If you're going to throw a shoe at a public official, try something easy and fast to remove, like a loafer, and don't announce your intention before you've hurled the first one.

282 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:13:54am

re: #278 Dustyvet

Iraqi judge: Shoe-tossing reporter was beaten.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Maybe they beat the crap out of him for missing.

283 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:14:19am

re: #18 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If you were a kid growing up in Chicago in the late 60's, you remember this...

..and Suzy Snowflake! Wow... it has been many years since I've heard those. Thanks for the nostalgic link.

284 legalpad  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:14:59am

re: #279 Who Watches the Watchmen?

They're not as much fun as when I was a kid.

There are certain things that are better. We weren't finished with the semester when we had Christmas holidays. I always intended to study some on the holidays but never did. Now it is at the end of the semester. No courses still in progress.

285 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:15:00am

re: #279 Who Watches the Watchmen?

They're not as much fun as when I was a kid.

I remember going to Downtown Minneapolis, with our family and looking at the Dayton's Christmas windows. Great fun...)

286 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:15:17am

re: #282 Spare O'Lake

Maybe they beat the crap out of him for missing.

Or for wearing such ugly shoes.

287 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:15:36am

hey dorian howya doing?

288 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:16:09am

re: #286 Wyatt Earp

Or for wearing such ugly shoes.

Maybe the shoes where pig skin?

289 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:16:42am

re: #288 Dustyvet

Maybe the shoes where pig skin?

And they smell like hockory-smoked bacon on hot summer days!

290 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:17:14am

re: #289 Wyatt Earp

And they smell like hockory-smoked bacon on hot summer days!

ROFLMAO>!

291 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:17:29am

Morning Dorian.

292 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:17:47am

re: #289 Wyatt Earp

I'd eat my shoes.

293 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:18:32am

re: #44 Boogberg

Ramble all you want, Bro. If it weren't for my co-workers, my niece would be without a puppy this Christmas. They came through at the last minute. She cradles the puppy around like a little baby. Get this- A fucking bulldog!

Bwahahahahahaha!

Ought to be the right size right about dating age. Good choice!

294 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:18:33am

re: #292 Rancher

I'd eat my shoes.

I'd eat your shoes!

295 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:19:21am

re: #292 Rancher

I'd eat my shoes.

A little mayo, some tomato and lettuce on whole wheat.

296 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:19:58am

re: #295 Dustyvet
Pssh you dont cut bacon with fiber.

297 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:20:39am

re: #295 Dustyvet

A little mayo, some tomato and lettuce on whole wheat.

An SLT?

298 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:21:22am

re: #297 Wyatt Earp

An SLT?

ding...:)

299 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:21:28am

re: #297 Wyatt Earp

An SLT?

Sole food.

300 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:21:49am

re: #298 Dustyvet

ding...:)

Thank you, I'll be here all week . . . try the veal!

301 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:22:48am

re: #292 Rancher

I'd eat my shoes.

Mind your tongue.

302 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:22:52am

re: #287 apachegunner

hey dorian howya doing?

Sitting here mournfully looking at my non Baileys coffee... ;(


re: #291 Rancher

Morning Dorian.

Morning Rancher... ;)

303 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:23:04am

re: #299 Spare O'Lake

Sole food.

“I bet they’ll be serving us “shoe-fly pie,”

304 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:23:28am

re: #301 Spare O'Lake
Punny.

305 phoenixgirl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:23:47am

re: #60 Cognito

you have to not be breathing with your nose! breath out of you mouth! no matter how congested you are the "warm" distilled water or your own previously boiled but now "warm" water will get thru.

306 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:24:03am

re: #302 doriangrey
Non Irish coffee whats the matter.

307 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:24:39am

re: #306 Rancher

Non Irish coffee whats the matter.

Waiting for gunner to kick... ;)

308 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:25:41am

Uh oh!

A source with the Obama camp strongly denied Emanuel spoke with the governor directly about the seat, saying Emanuel only spoke with Blagojevich once recently to say he was taking the chief of staff post.

But sources with knowledge of the investigation said Blagojevich told his aides about the calls with Emanuel and sometimes gave them directions afterward. Sources said that early on, Emanuel pushed for the appointment of Jarrett to the governor and his staff and asked that it be done by a certain date.

309 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:26:28am

re: #302 doriangrey
passing da Baileys to dorian

310 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:26:34am

Franken v. Coleman gets interesting...

MN Supreme Court Orders Wrongly Rejected Ballots Included In Recount

Count around the Clock

(sung to Rock Around The Clock – apologies to Bill Haley)

One, two, three ballots, four ballots, count,
Five, six, seven ballots, eight ballots, count,
Nine, ten, eleven ballots, twelve ballots, count,
We're gonna check all of the votes tonight.

Get your ballot box and join me, hon,
We'll count some vote to see who’s won,
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, the ballot box tonight.

Colemans winning by two, three and four,
If the ballots run out we’ll get some more,
Franken found some in his trunk tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, even ballots that aren’t quite right.

If the count get’s close to being even,
We’ll be ready to steal the election.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, or maybe fight.
No dead are disenfranchised in our sight .

When it's eight, nine, ten, eleven too,
That ACORN block will be coming through.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
So dangle your chads and fill your holes right.
We're gonna count, gonna count, around the clock tonight.

If we get the lead, we'll seal it then,
We’ll certify that Franken win.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna stuff that box, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, around the clock tonight.

311 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:27:30am

People are calling 3 boys heroes today after they discovered the bus driver was unresponsive. Then one of the boys opens his mouth and i have to think heroes maybe stupid certainly. He announces we took the keys from the ignition then noticed the bus drifting into the other lane. What kind of person removes the keys from a moving vehicle.

312 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:29:05am

re: #311 Rancher

People are calling 3 boys heroes today after they discovered the bus driver was unresponsive. Then one of the boys opens his mouth and i have to think heroes maybe stupid certainly. He announces we took the keys from the ignition then noticed the bus drifting into the other lane. What kind of person removes the keys from a moving vehicle.


good thing the steering wheel didn't lock like a car would huh?

313 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:31:07am

Finally after 10 years of watching Reba reef Sharf decides to make a leap of faith.

314 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:31:13am

re: #310 DaddyG

Franken v. Coleman gets interesting...

MN Supreme Court Orders Wrongly Rejected Ballots Included In Recount

Count around the Clock

(sung to Rock Around The Clock – apologies to Bill Haley)

One, two, three ballots, four ballots, count,
Five, six, seven ballots, eight ballots, count,
Nine, ten, eleven ballots, twelve ballots, count,
We're gonna check all of the votes tonight.

Get your ballot box and join me, hon,
We'll count some vote to see who’s won,
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, the ballot box tonight.

Colemans winning by two, three and four,
If the ballots run out we’ll get some more,
Franken found some in his trunk tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, even ballots that aren’t quite right.

If the count get’s close to being even,
We’ll be ready to steal the election.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, or maybe fight.
No dead are disenfranchised in our sight .

When it's eight, nine, ten, eleven too,
That ACORN block will be coming through.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
So dangle your chads and fill your holes right.
We're gonna count, gonna count, around the clock tonight.

If we get the lead, we'll seal it then,
We’ll certify that Franken win.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna stuff that box, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, around the clock tonight.

I'll give it an 9.2 Mr. Clark, but you can't dance to it...:)

315 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:31:23am

re: #310 DaddyG

Another step towards a one party Soviet State.

316 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:31:37am

re: #313 Rancher

Reef Shark not Sharf

317 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:32:05am

re: #312 apachegunner
Yeah thank the lord for tractor steering.

318 Desert Dog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:32:54am

I cast my one vote for Franken! Not for Senator, but for the Biggest Asshole in the USA. Should he win, he will move on to the International Asshole competition. I think his odds are good for that one too.

319 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:33:32am

re: #316 Rancher

Reef Shark not Sharf

Hi Ranger!
I'm on Vacation so I control the Baileys today...
Dorian is out cause he has to work.. :)

320 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:34:02am

re: #313 Rancher

Finally after 10 years of watching Reba reef Sharf decides to make a leap of faith.

History comes full circle as shark jumps the Fonz.

321 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:34:34am

re: #319 HoosierHoops

Hi Ranger!
I'm on Vacation so I control the Baileys today...
Dorian is out cause he has to work.. :)

Hey Hoops! Whadda mean you control da Baileys? Ya know thats my job, geeesh. Mornin to ya by the way.

322 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:34:49am

re: #319 HoosierHoops

Hi Ranger!
I'm on Vacation so I control the Baileys today...
Dorian is out cause he has to work.. :)

Hey... It's minus 10 degrees here where I live... Damn it I need some anti-freeze Baileys...

323 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:34:54am

re: #320 DaddyG
Rofl

324 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:35:25am

This Obama thing - the cover up. Will it matter? Will "the people" see that the new age of transparency really means ducking, dodging and diving questions in the hopes we don't remember what happened with the truth comes out? Even if it looks like there is no deal making, the cover up, the use of "I" from The One, thats shady stuff. Why don't the Hounds of the Nirth Certifikit jump on this? At least there is some validity to this one! I think I just answered my own question, actually.

325 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:35:26am

re: #319 HoosierHoops
Heya Hoops.

326 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:35:31am

re: #322 doriangrey

Hey... It's minus 10 degrees here where I live... Damn it I need some anti-freeze Baileys...


haha, i already passed ya the bottle dorian, now you trying to double up huh?

327 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:36:01am

re: #322 doriangrey

Hey... It's minus 10 degrees here where I live... Damn it I need some anti-freeze Baileys...

How do you make Auntie freeze? Take away here nightie...:)

328 phoenixgirl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:36:24am

re: #324 ArmyWife

This Obama thing - the cover up. Will it matter? Will "the people" see that the new age of transparency really means ducking, dodging and diving questions in the hopes we don't remember what happened with the truth comes out? Even if it looks like there is no deal making, the cover up, the use of "I" from The One, thats shady stuff. Why don't the Hounds of the Nirth Certifikit jump on this? At least there is some validity to this one! I think I just answered my own question, actually.

the age of opaque

329 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:36:43am

re: #326 apachegunner

haha, i already passed ya the bottle dorian, now you trying to double up huh?

Hey.. I live in SoCal... It's not suppose to get this cold here... (OK so it's actually 30 degrees, but damn it that's cold for SoCal)...

330 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:36:43am

re: #324 ArmyWife
In this new age of transparency it's the candidate who has done nothing that comes out ahead.

331 Karridine  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:36:53am

re: #315 The Other Les

Another step towards a one party Soviet State.

IIRC, Coleman -vs- Frankenstein is important in and of itself, but ALSO because with the Frankenboob in Senate the Socialists have an undeniable majority and cannot be restrained by commonsense or lip-service to 'The Law'

332 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:37:26am

re: #326 apachegunner
Well it is Dorian I'm surprised he isn't asking someone to pass their daughter.

333 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:37:42am

re: #327 Dustyvet

How do you make Auntie freeze? Take away here nightie...:)

I hope you are wearing your combat helmet cause Mandy is going to give you such a whack for that one... ;p

334 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:38:02am

re: #332 Rancher

Well it is Dorian I'm surprised he isn't asking someone to pass their daughter.


Dorian? Naaa

335 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:38:13am

re: #321 apachegunner

Hey Hoops! Whadda mean you control da Baileys? Ya know thats my job, geeesh. Mornin to ya by the way.

Hi gunner...My post required a PIMF but who cares?
Kind of weird sitting at home alone watching ESPN or the Science channel by myself...Going to go Xmas shopping in awhile...
AMEX is going to be happy in a few hours

336 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:38:30am

re: #333 doriangrey

I hope you are wearing your combat helmet cause Mandy is going to give you such a whack for that one... ;p

Oh Oh...digging in ruck sack for helmet...:)

337 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:38:35am

re: #332 Rancher

Well it is Dorian I'm surprised he isn't asking someone to pass their daughter.

ROTFLMAO... Brain is frozen this morning or I would have thought of that... ;p

338 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:39:05am

re: #335 HoosierHoops
Colts won! Colts won!

339 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:39:46am

re: #338 apachegunner

Colts won! Colts won!

Wish I had said that... Opp's what I meant to say is... Now you're just being mean... ;p

340 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:39:48am

re: #338 apachegunner

Colts won! Colts won!

any news on Smith and Wesson?

341 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:40:44am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Brrr.

Another chilly day, 5 degrees with more snow on the way for the valley.

And it's Firday! Yee-hawww!

SpareO'Lake

Sole food.

Laced with spicy mayo to boot ... :P

342 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:40:46am

re: #340 Dustyvet Preemtively going out of business instead of going bankrupt first.

343 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:41:20am

re: #340 Dustyvet

GMTA...:>)

344 Desert Dog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:41:28am

re: #324 ArmyWife

This Obama thing - the cover up. Will it matter? Will "the people" see that the new age of transparency really means ducking, dodging and diving questions in the hopes we don't remember what happened with the truth comes out? Even if it looks like there is no deal making, the cover up, the use of "I" from The One, thats shady stuff. Why don't the Hounds of the Nirth Certifikit jump on this? At least there is some validity to this one! I think I just answered my own question, actually.

I think the US Military should look into the "deflector shield" our beloved President-Elect seems to deploy whenever he gets a tough question from the lap dog media. I thought Slick Willie could dodge, twist around, brush aside and ignore questions better than any other politician...I think Obama now has an arrogance about him that he does not have to answer certain questions...so much for Hope and Change, it's now King Obama, ruler of all he surveys

345 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:41:39am

re: #281 Rancher

Copy cat shoeing anyone?

I expect that soon we'll start seeing major endorsement deals for these shoechuckers, with logos and teeshirts too.

346 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:41:44am

President Bush is to address the nation about the auto bail out at 8:00 am central time.

My guess is they will get a bridge loan in exchange for a planned bankruptcy and merge of GM and Chrysler.

347 DistantThunder  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:42:22am

re: #265 MandyManners

I think they're more evil than lazy.

They are very busy - but their motivated by their laziness and unwillingness to apply themselves in proscribed ways. It is also a refusal to be held accountable for past crimes. At some point many of them do start to see how things aren't turning out in the best way for them - but they feel they are too far down the road to go back and make restitution for all their past criminality - so they keep going.

348 Desert Dog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:42:57am

re: #346 3 wood

President Bush is to address the nation about the auto bail out at 8:00 am central time.

My guess is they will get a bridge loan in exchange for a planned bankruptcy and merge of GM and Chrysler.

So, will that make the markets go up? Or, should we all be stocking up on canned goods and heating oil?

349 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:43:28am

re: #346 3 wood

President Bush is to address the nation about the auto bail out at 8:00 am central time.

My guess is they will get a bridge loan in exchange for a planned bankruptcy and merge of GM and Chrysler.

I was looking for an excuse not to attend a Landlord/tenant meeting...Thanks!

350 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:43:58am

re: #346 3 wood

Except they just calling it restructuring to avoid the Stigma of bankruptcy.

351 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:44:14am

re: #311 Rancher

Do you have a link for that?

352 gregg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:44:26am

Bush is expected to announce his plan for an auto bailout at 9 a.m. ET.

353 Joan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:44:46am

re: #29 Boogberg

The puppy we were going to adopt had a "parvo" disease so that was the end of him, according to the County. What do we know about this disease?

:( Sad. Hope you are able to adopt a healthy pup, very soon. Puppies in the slammer need homes, so bless you for going that route for you pet.

354 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:45:34am

re: #353 Joan

:( Sad. Hope you are able to adopt a healthy pup, very soon. Puppies in the slammer need homes, so bless you for going that route for you pet.

So do kittys in the slammer...:(

355 Karridine  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:45:44am

re: #344 Desert Dog

I think ... Obama now has an arrogance about him that he does not have to answer certain questions...so much for Hope and Change, it's now King Obama, ruler of all he surveys

Really! We (You and I, Desert) can think of rational, reasonable questions to ask him, but if we cannot get physically near enough to shout them or if we cannot get ANY REPORTER to ask those questions, America is in a world of hurts!

/and people try to tell me honesty, truthfulness, forthrightness and responsibility are not relevant to government!

356 gregg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:45:51am

re: #352 gregg

Bush is expected to announce his plan for an auto bailout at 9 a.m. ET.

Sorry about that - should done a "new comments" before posting.

357 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:46:03am

re: #351 UFO TOFU
Here ya go.

358 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:47:05am

re: #346 3 wood

President Bush is to address the nation about the auto bail out at 8:00 am central time.

My guess is they will get a bridge loan in exchange for a planned bankruptcy and merge of GM and Chrysler.

I imagine Bush saying he had to abandon free market principals to save the free market must have made you do a double take...

359 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:47:39am

re: #348 Desert Dog

So, will that make the markets go up? Or, should we all be stocking up on canned goods and heating oil?

I think you will see a positive reaction by the market. This would eliminate another source of turmoil.

A whole lot of component part businesses and such are hanging inthe balance too.

The big issue long term will be dealing with the legacy costs (I think Obama will have the Gov't assume that in 3 months) and have the US auto makers finally got the message that they can not keep trying to jam 30 year old designs and poorly built cars down the throats of the buying public. This is not 1970 anymore, there are outstanding competitors out there they have to deal with.

360 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:48:12am

re: #358 doriangrey

Next will be McCain saying we have to abondon Conservative ideals to save Conservatism.

361 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:48:13am

re: #338 apachegunner

Colts won! Colts won!

We had a great party.. I was awake this morning at 6am posting that Manning may be the MVP.
We had somebody come over last night with one of my friends..
Words were said..fucking bigot and we almost went to blows..It was a classic shut the fuck up and don't ever say that in my house..Fuck you shit.
Kicked him out of here..But crap.. It was almost a blow by blow fight here.
Fucking Bigot.. I'd kick his ass

362 Joan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:48:54am

re: #44 Boogberg

Ramble all you want, Bro. If it weren't for my co-workers, my niece would be without a puppy this Christmas. They came through at the last minute. She cradles the puppy around like a little baby. Get this- A fucking bulldog!

Bwahahahahahaha!

Ohhh! I've heard that bulldogs are sweet, wonderful dogs! Congrats

363 Desert Dog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:49:08am

Finally, we have an answer to all of this economic "malaise". The USA should start getting into Piracy, I hear it pay is extremely lucrative. And, you get to talk funny and wear cool costumes too!

We should give these guys all the free bullets they want...of course, we should use one of these to deliver them.

364 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:49:14am

re: #353 Joan

It's one of the ones they give puppy shots for, IIRC. Poor dog, or pup, will start losing fluids from both ends (redfdish in color) and dehydration, etc. kills 'em. Surprised it hadn't had its vaccinations, if they had it up for adoption.

365 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:49:22am

re: #344 Desert Dog

Why should he expect to be treated differently now? On the campaign trail he didn't have to answer jack taco - he certainly doesn't feel it necessary now that he is to be crowned. This is what it really means to have chickens come home to roost (are you listening, MSM?). Thanks to them, we have Chicago Thug Goes To Washington (with his Merry Band of Thugettes) for the next 4 years. I just pray those that supported this cat are opening their eyes a bit to what "change" meant.

366 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:49:25am

re: #359 3 wood

I think you will see a positive reaction by the market. This would eliminate another source of turmoil.

A whole lot of component part businesses and such are hanging inthe balance too.

The big issue long term will be dealing with the legacy costs (I think Obama will have the Gov't assume that in 3 months) and have the US auto makers finally got the message that they can not keep trying to jam 30 year old designs and poorly built cars down the throats of the buying public. This is not 1970 anymore, there are outstanding competitors out there they have to deal with.

Nothing is going to save the US auto makers so long as the Unions remain capable of raping them...

367 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:50:22am

re: #360 Rancher

I think he's done that once or a gazillion times. Except he wasn't so strong on the "to save conservatism" part.

368 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:50:24am

Thank you Rancher.

369 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:51:14am

re: #341 Miss Trixie

Sole food.

Laced with spicy mayo to boot ... :P

Can't top that.

370 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:51:28am

re: #363 Desert Dog

We should give these guys all the free bullets they want...of course, we should use one of these to deliver them.

Good god I love that video... ;)

371 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:51:34am

re: #360 Rancher

Next will be McCain saying we have to abondon Conservative ideals to save Conservatism.

His actions have already screamed that more loudly than his words could ever do.

The RNC called last night - thanked me for my $ and asked for more. I replied "when you folks can get a conservative candidate nominated for national office then you will see more of my money."

The poor kid working the phones has probably heard several variations on that speech.

372 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:52:11am

re: #367 ArmyWife

I think he's done that once or a gazillion times. Except he wasn't so strong on the "to save conservatism" part.

ROTFLMAO... My thoughts exactly...

373 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:52:56am

re: #371 DaddyG

Nah his actions just say conservatism is dead nothing about saving it.

374 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:53:06am

re: #361 HoosierHoops

We had a great party.. I was awake this morning at 6am posting that Manning may be the MVP.
We had somebody come over last night with one of my friends..
Words were said..fucking bigot and we almost went to blows..It was a classic shut the fuck up and don't ever say that in my house..Fuck you shit.
Kicked him out of here..But crap.. It was almost a blow by blow fight here.
Fucking Bigot.. I'd kick his ass


good on you!

375 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:53:15am

re: #371 DaddyG

His actions have already screamed that more loudly than his words could ever do.

The RNC called last night - thanked me for my $ and asked for more. I replied "when you folks can get a conservative candidate nominated for national office then you will see more of my money."

The poor kid working the phones has probably heard several variations on that speech.

Sadly they either haven't heard it often enough, or are just plain to arrogant to listen...

376 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:53:30am

re: #370 doriangrey

Good god I love that video... ;)

Impressive!

377 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:54:06am

re: #368 UFO TOFU

No problem. You'd think being high school age they would know better than to remove the keys while the vehicle is in motion, and the e brake is just 1 more example.

378 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:54:50am

re: #376 Dustyvet

Impressive!

Impressive is such a pale and indescriptive word for that video...

379 CapeCoddah  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:55:12am

Good Morning everyone! Getting ready for a blizzard!

380 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:55:33am

re: #367 ArmyWife
Yeah I agree. I'm just expecting he is gonna come out and say it a la Bush to make it seem that he isnt a Rino.

381 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:55:53am

re: #358 doriangrey

I imagine Bush saying he had to abandon free market principals to save the free market must have made you do a double take...

I snickered.

This was the perfect storm though.

The problem is our financial system got turned into a casino about 15 years ago and outpaced the willingness/ability of the SEC to deal with it, and the Community Reinvestment Act in combination with lowering of the discount rate after 9-11 set up the mortgage crisis. Then Greenspan went to sleep his last couple of years on the job and kept jacking up the discount rate for 17 straight quarters. that made all the adjustible rate mortgages get very expensive.

382 Karridine  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:56:08am

re: #365 ArmyWife

"Commie Chicago Thug Goes to Washington"

With opening act, Billie (Putting on) Ayers and the Thuggettes!

Come see America doubled over, as if laughing!
Come see "laws" slipped in, once America grabs its ankles!

You'll laugh at the electoral ignorance and naivete!
You'll cry for ideals and principles trampled, like the American "flag" under Billie Ayer's feet!

Don't wait another day, PAY NOW! Get into the habit! Pay MORE!

"Commie Chicago Thug Goes to Washington"

383 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:56:56am

re: #379 CapeCoddah

Good Morning everyone! Getting ready for a blizzard!

Ba Humbug... My car is idling with the defroster and heater on full blast right now cause it's covered with ice... I dont need no stinking blizzard... ;p

384 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:57:32am

re: #29 Boogberg

The puppy we were going to adopt had a "parvo" disease so that was the end of him, according to the County. What do we know about this disease?

Mind not in gear-replied to Joan instead of boogberg. This is info on Parvvirus...[Link: www.peteducation.com...]

385 CapeCoddah  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:57:58am

LOl, You need a garage! Morning Dorian.

386 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:58:02am

re: #383 doriangrey A cd case if you live in one of those areas that doesn't know what an ice scrapper is makes a nice substitute for removing ice from the wind shield.

387 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 5:59:11am

Almost time for relief to get here be safe scaleys.
///Shakes the snow globe over dorians house.
Rustler out

388 x-wing  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:00:16am

re: #378 doriangrey

Impressive is such a pale and indescriptive word for that video...

LOL.

BOING! Seems to have just the right amount of panache for that video.

/at least I think so.

389 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:00:22am

re: #386 Rancher

A cd case if you live in one of those areas that doesn't know what an ice scrapper is makes a nice substitute for removing ice from the wind shield.

Grrr I live in Southern California, less than 40 miles from the US Mexico border... I shouldn't ever need an ice scraper... I really want to sue Al Gore for this damned Global Warming crap... I'm freezing my ass off... (Well I would be if I had an actual ass... ;p)

390 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:00:47am

re: #363 Desert Dog

Finally, we have an answer to all of this economic "malaise". The USA should start getting into Piracy, I hear it pay is extremely lucrative. And, you get to talk funny and wear cool costumes too!

We should give these guys all the free bullets they want...of course, we should use one of these to deliver them.

How bout we use one of these? Now that's a Gatling gun!

391 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:01:39am

Auto makers set to receive $17.4 bln in U.S. loans: reports

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The White House is prepared to extend $13.4 billion in loans to troubled Detroit auto makers, with an additional $4 billion likely available in February, The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday. The deal could help General Motors and closely held Chrysler LLC avoid bankruptcy and is contingent on the companies showing they are financially viable by March, the newspaper reported. "I think under normal circumstances, no question the bankruptcy court is the best way to sort through credit and debt and restructuring," President Bush reportedly said. "These aren't normal circumstances, that's the problem."

392 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:01:44am

re: #386 Rancher

I remember my first winter in Oklahoma-went to buy chains for the car, and no one knew what I was talking about. Strolled into Sears, opened the catalog, and ordered them from it. Had 'em within the week, and was ready when the first snow hit and stuck...LOL.

393 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:01:48am

re: #374 apachegunner

good on you!

gunner...It was an ugly moment that will have a long range impact here at home. This guy said something that made the hoopster snap.. Which if anyone knows me.. I'm a pretty easy going guy.. I get along with everybody..
I kicked him out of here..and had everyone in an uproar.. Mrs. hoopster ran into the kitchen screaming what is going on? And I'm just effen pissed off.
Other than that..We had a wonderful party...Colts won!

394 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:01:50am

It's Dubya time.

395 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:02:30am

re: #388 x-wing

LOL.

BOING! Seems to have just the right amount of panache for that video.

/at least I think so.

This is a video fitting of the unofficial US military motto... GET SOME...

396 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:03:25am

Well time for me to shuffle off to Buffalo or work... which ever is closer... ;p

397 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:03:29am
398 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:04:01am

Waiting for Dubya to give them the dough...

399 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:04:38am

re: #378 doriangrey

Impressive is such a pale and indescriptive word for that video...

Well sorry, let's try Outstanding! It sure makes what we had in Vietnam pale.

400 doriangrey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:05:06am

re: #393 HoosierHoops

gunner...It was an ugly moment that will have a long range impact here at home. This guy said something that made the hoopster snap.. Which if anyone knows me.. I'm a pretty easy going guy.. I get along with everybody..
I kicked him out of here..and had everyone in an uproar.. Mrs. hoopster ran into the kitchen screaming what is going on? And I'm just effen pissed off.
Other than that..We had a wonderful party...Colts won!

Sorry to hear that hoops... Keep yer chin up though, things can only get worse before they eventually get better... But better they will get...

401 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:05:22am

re: #398 summergurl

Waiting for Dubya to give them the dough...

He's using a lot of words just to say to taxpayers, "We're royally screwing you to make the losers feel better."

402 x-wing  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:05:41am

re: #396 doriangrey

Well time for me to shuffle off to Buffalo or work... which ever is closer... ;p

Be careful and stay safe.

403 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:06:26am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the unions are busy trying to demand that the rich get hammered with still more taxes to balance a budget even though it would take confiscatory rates to balance the mess in NY - precisely because Wall Street's meltdown has reduced state revenues - the rich simply aren't nearly as rich as they were last year. It's bad math all the way around.

The politicians are just as clueless - increasing NYC property taxes by 7% and increasing fares on the subways and bridges.

NJ is actually even worse - Corzine is pushing the idea that localities could avoid fully funding their pension obligations at a time when the state's pensions are already severely underfunded. The reasoning? To avoid having to increase taxes even further.

No one wants to deal with the fact that the localities and government is spending more than it can afford. No one wants to make the tough decisions because the only math these political hacks understand is that they need to win elections and poll well. They couldn't care less about the fiscal health of the municipalities and states.

Not that the federal government is doing any better - they're not. The bailout has thrown a trillion dollars at the problem, and no one has any idea where the money has actually gone. There's no accountability and the solutions keep changing on the fly because Paulson doesn't know what to do. The Fed's solution is to drop interest rates to near zero, and that's going to create a bubble that will come due in 3-5 years as the ARMs that are taken out now reset to higher levels because the interest rates simply cannot remain at these low levels - it was Greenspan's interest rate policy following 9/11 to drive the rates down to historic lows that accelerated the real estate bubble with low interest rates pushing up demand on homes and combined with lending practices that ignored historical precedents (income verification, credit history, etc.) combined with bad policy decisions in Congress to create the market meltdown we've seen.

If the feds were truly serious about fixing the problem, they'd consider a moratorium on ARMs altogether and stabilize the real estate markets with fixed rate mortgages that are at lowish rates (they could be anywhere from 5% to 7% and they'd still be reasonable by historical levels. It would mean that subprimes would either have to get out of the real estate game, or they'd have to improve their credit over time. It would mean that people with good credit could find homes at affordable prices because the market isn't overheated. It would also mean that people in ARMs that reset to higher levels could refinance into fixed rate mortgages at lower levels and stabilize their mortgage payments (it wouldn't address the higher property taxes, but that's a problem that few pundits and experts are willing to tackle despite its effects in many areas - including NYC metro).

404 rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:06:42am

re: #392 Pietr Haha my first winter in NC while stationed at Fort Bragg I made about 1000 bucks after a small snow storm pulling people off the shoulder with a friends 4 wheel drive pick up saved em a ton not having to call a tow truck and my buddy picked up an extra 500 bucks when I split the take with him.

405 Crux Australis  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:07:00am

re: #252 apachegunner

yeah, but what about caroline kennedy?

Look what I found.

406 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:07:03am

re: #386 Rancher

A credit card - that's about all they're good for.

407 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:07:04am

yes, I make chili for the playoffs, they call it "souperbowl chili" and the football parties are sooo much fun. I remember the parrty at my condo on the lake in chicago in 1987 when da bears won. we were shooting off bottle rockets over lakeshore drive and the cops called us on the phone and told us to stop it. what a party. re: #393 HoosierHoops

408 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:09:30am

re: #406 Cap'n DOC
They only work on frost not real ice.

409 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:10:05am

Relief called in they gonna be 30 minutes late hehe happy days I get more OT.

410 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:10:24am

The auto makers got till march 31st to come up with a plan or they are supposed to re-pay their loans (with what I don't know).

Bush is keeping them alive for a few months to give them a chance to restructure, and then is punting it to The Messiah.

411 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:10:26am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Two dugongs 9only 5 in captivity in the world), move to new home in Sydney Aquarium

Gorgeous animals :-)

412 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:10:44am

re: #404 rancher

Haha my first winter in NC while stationed at Fort Bragg I made about 1000 bucks after a small snow storm pulling people off the shoulder with a friends 4 wheel drive pick up saved em a ton not having to call a tow truck and my buddy picked up an extra 500 bucks when I split the take with him.


haha Rancher, hope it wasn't a M151 you were using.

413 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:11:49am

re: #405 Crux Australis
good link, thanks

414 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:12:01am

re: #410 3 wood
Only GM and Crystler getting money tho correct? Or has that since changed so the Car Czar can bully ford as well.

415 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:12:02am

re: #408 Rancher

Two credit cards? That's all I've got.

416 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:12:13am

re: #401 gclaghorn

He's using a lot of words just to say to taxpayers, "We're royally screwing you to make the losers feel better."

Yeah it doesn't matter what the Senate said --- he was doing it

And if America isn't buying them, the cars, now, what makes him think that they will later --- knowing that they are not solvent has pretty much the same effect as if they did go into bankruptcy.

I like the FNC guy that describes it as "a punt to the next Administration with conditions".

417 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:12:30am

re: #412 apachegunner nah buddies F350 and tow bar.

418 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:12:51am

re: #403 lawhawk

If the feds were truly serious about fixing the problem, they'd consider a moratorium on ARMs altogether and stabilize the real estate markets with fixed rate mortgages that are at lowish rates (they could be anywhere from 5% to 7% and they'd still be reasonable by historical levels. It would mean that subprimes would either have to get out of the real estate game, or they'd have to improve their credit over time.

And that would mean that the Democrats would lose votes, so it won't happen.

419 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:13:26am

re: #414 Rancher

Only GM and Crystler getting money tho correct? Or has that since changed so the Car Czar can bully ford as well.

A week or so ago Ford said they did not need the help.

420 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:13:58am

re: #400 doriangrey

Sorry to hear that hoops... Keep yer chin up though, things can only get worse before they eventually get better... But better they will get...

It's funny now thinking we almost went to blows at our party..
And i mean..It was close...
/ The funny thing is..the first thought that came to mind was when I was in High school and was trying out different sports.. When I was young i thought i could be a fighter...You know how we always fought as young boys...
The one and only time I climbed into a ring against somebody I didn't know ut looked like a whimp.
It lasted one round and he beat the living shit out of me..
So I'm thinking..this could go bad real fast and this guy is probably a gold glover.. I am so screwed...

421 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:14:14am
422 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:14:23am

re: #418 3 wood

And that would mean that the Democrats would lose votes, so it won't happen.

Yes, we must have political correctness injected into credit-worthiness.

//rolling eyes

423 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:14:25am

re: #411 aussiemagpie

We call 'em Manatees - or at least that's what they look like.

424 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:14:57am

re: #421 FrogMarch

The Corruptocrats are in charge. oh joy.

try again?

425 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:15:12am

re: #405 Crux Australis

Look what I found.

Hi Crux, good link and thanks

426 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:15:22am

re: #419 3 wood
Yeah but BofA said the same thing and still got included in the bail out.

427 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:15:57am

re: #416 summergurl

And if America isn't buying them, the cars, now, what makes him think that they will later --- knowing that they are not solvent has pretty much the same effect as if they did go into bankruptcy.

Their story, which I don't agree with, is the failure is due more to the poor economy than their fault. Their theory is, if they get carried until the economy improves, and make a few minor adjustments to their costs, then when the economy improves and people buy more cars they will be back in profit.

My guess is Obama will relieve them of their legacy costs by March 31st.

428 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:16:10am

re: #423 Cap'n DOC

Yeah dugong/manitee are related species or maybe same species with different regional name.

429 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:17:12am

re: #392 Pietr

You need a set of these.

430 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:17:20am

re: #427 3 wood
///Well it is the bad economy preventing folks from buying or leasing a new car every 2-3 years.

431 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:17:32am
432 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:17:58am

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (59 degrees going up to 71 degrees) but overcast and drizzily Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

433 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:18:01am
434 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:18:34am
435 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:18:41am

hiya RW, how are you today? re: #432 realwest

436 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:18:47am

re: #419 3 wood
I wonder if Ford can take advantage of the non Bankruptcy restructuring to dump the unions without taking the money tho?

437 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:19:36am

Good morning all.

438 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:19:42am

re: #432 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (59 degrees going up to 71 degrees) but overcast and drizzily Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Wonderful RW..The Colts won! we are so going to the Superbowl..and so are you!
I'm eating leftovers...

439 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:19:53am

re: #432 realwest
Morning RW

440 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:20:07am

re: #423 Cap'n DOC

We call 'em Manatees - or at least that's what they look like.

Hi, just found this while googling

These enormous vegetarians can be found in warm coastal waters from East Africa to Australia, including the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Pacific.

Dugongs are related to manatees and are similar in appearance and behavior— though the dugong's tail is fluked like a whale's. Both are related to the elephant, although the giant land animal is not at all similar in appearance or behavior.
Dugongs graze on underwater grasses day and night, rooting for them with their bristled, sensitive snouts and chomping them with their rough lips.

These mammals can stay underwater for six minutes before surfacing. They sometimes breathe by "standing" on their tail with their heads above water.

Dugongs spend much of their time alone or in pairs,...

!

441 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:20:21am

{realwest} Morning, darls *smoochie* What's on the skeds today?

442 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:20:29am

re: #435 apachegunner
Hi Guns -I'm doing ok, but Mom isn't feeling so hot today. Hope you're doing ok.

443 Crux Australis  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:20:30am

Was John Howard abandoning conservative principles when he eliminated the Australian equivalent of sub-prime mortgages and regulated the Australian Stock Exchange (ASX)?

Or is Australia less conservative than the US?

444 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:20:31am

re: #427 3 wood

Key to that is an improved economy. We will see that win? 2 years should the Republicans get their hineys in gear and put conservatives in once The Royal One royally screws this up? 4 years from now? This depresses me.

445 gregg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:20:41am

Bush had a chance to save the U.S. auto industry by arranging a prepackaged bankruptcy that could have resulted in the restructuring they needed to survive. Instead he punted it to the next administration and now we will have politicians controlling their restructuring. IMO

446 DeafDog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:21:20am

Good morning

On the oil price watch - NYMEX Crude futures are at $34.80 per barrel

447 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:21:36am

re: #432 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (59 degrees going up to 71 degrees) but overcast and drizzily Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Goodness {realwest} You're in the middle of a heatwave there!

*Smooch* from Down Under to {you}

448 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:21:40am

re: #438 HoosierHoops

Wonderful RW..The Colts won! we are so going to the Superbowl..and so are you!
I'm eating leftovers...


Wait a minute, the Giants run up against a great Panther team on Sunday and I'm betting on the Panthers.

449 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:22:01am

re: #403 lawhawk

Lawhawk... I saw that commerical by the SEIU people here calling for the Fair Share Tax, where those making over $250K get taxed higher in NYS so that we can 'save healthcare' for budget cuts...

I am so sick of this crap...

450 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:22:56am

re: #438 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! Well ONE of the Mannings may get to the superbowl, but I really don't see Eli there this year, just too many injuries: all pro running back, best wide receiver, two O linemen down and we get to play the Panthers as they are peaking.
Crap.
You're eating leftovers from last night?!? Did you get to sleep at all? LOL!

451 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:22:58am

re: #410 3 wood

The auto makers got till march 31st to come up with a plan or they are supposed to re-pay their loans (with what I don't know).

Bush is keeping them alive for a few months to give them a chance to restructure, and then is punting it to The Messiah.

The Anointed One is going to keep funneling money in their direction... Why? Because he is indebted to the UAW...

452 Joan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:23:07am

How in the world can a non-scientist sort through the expert findings, to conclude that agw is a hoax? NASA and CNN have such a high degree of credibility among the public. If agw is a hoax, then how in the world can the truth prevail over the massive Goliath of the noise machine?

Note that in the NASA article for we the lowly proletariat, every aspect of the American quality of life is named as the culprit for agw. How can we get at the truth, establish that truth and roll back the process of dismantling our country?

CNN Planet in Peril on global warming
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Source for their presentation:
[Link: eospso.gsfc.nasa.gov...]
Causes of global warming [Link: www.nasa.gov...]
Climatologists (scientists who study climate) have analyzed the global warming that has occurred since the late 1800's. A majority of climatologists have concluded that human activities are responsible for most of the warming. …
The main human activities that contribute to global warming are the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas) and the clearing of land. Most of the burning occurs in automobiles, in factories, and in electric power plants that provide energy for houses and office buildings. ….
A small number of scientists argue that the increase in greenhouse gases has not made a measurable difference in the temperature. They say that natural processes could have caused global warming. Those processes include increases in the energy emitted (given off) by the sun. But the vast majority of climatologists believe that increases in the sun's energy have contributed only slightly to recent warming.

453 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:23:25am

Mornin' all from a frigid and snowy Wenatchee Valley. 6 degrees with a high of 14! How's all the lizards this morning?!

454 DeafDog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:23:38am

re: #449 tfc3rid

Lawhawk... I saw that commerical by the SEIU people here calling for the Fair Share Tax, where those making over $250K get taxed higher in NYS so that we can 'save healthcare' for budget cuts...

I am so sick of this crap...

Punish success, in all its forms.

Reward failure, in all its forms.

What's the problem?

/

455 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:23:40am

re: #439 Rancher
Good morning Rancher - hope you're doing well today.

456 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:25:11am

re: #427 3 wood

Their story, which I don't agree with, is the failure is due more to the poor economy than their fault. Their theory is, if they get carried until the economy improves, and make a few minor adjustments to their costs, then when the economy improves and people buy more cars they will be back in profit.

My guess is Obama will relieve them of their legacy costs by March 31st.

I agree with you - the economy is not the reason for their failure - huge labor costs have impacted the sticker price to consumers and forced them in order to keep the price somewhat on par with their competitors, not outfit vehicles with upgraded interiors or as many bells and whistles.

457 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:26:03am

re: #441 {Miss Trixie} Hey gorgeous! *smooches* back atcha! I don't know what's on the schedule today - I was gonna get a haircut, and buy a wreath and garland and Mom was gonna do some shopping too, but she's feeling kinda not so good so I don't know what's going on today.
What's on your schedule today?

458 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:26:17am

re: #448 apachegunner

Wait a minute, the Giants run up against a great Panther team on Sunday and I'm betting on the Panthers.

Interesting view.. The World Champions against a team that has always been hyped but never come through...Don't be fooled by a good game last week.
unless you get a ton of points don't bet against the World Champions.

459 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:26:59am

re: #452 Joan

don't forget "farting" Joan. Errr, I don't mean you I mean people :>)

460 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:27:01am

re: #432 realwest

Morning RW-San Antonio at 67F, with a 76F expected. Drizzling tho, has been for 3 days; damp and dreary. My feral cats and Jack Russel mix are missing the sun-especially the kittens.

461 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:27:40am

re: #447 aussiemagpie
Good morning {aussie} thank you and *smooches* back to you! How late is it your time?!

462 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:27:47am

re: #452 Joan I just got into it with a moonbat over globull warming this weekend and showed him the Ice shelf growth and declining average annual global temps and he said the science was bad. Then brought up some kook lefty blog talking about the shrinking Ice shelfs. I asked him where the science or facts associated with the conclussion were and he had nothing.

463 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:28:08am

Look for the union label
when you are bailing out Chrysler or GM.
Remember somewhere our union's lobbying,
our dues are going to elect more protectionism.
We hardly work, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the U.A.W. our pensions safe!
So always look for the union label,
it says US taxpayer’s wallets fair game to rape!

464 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:28:16am

re: #458 HoosierHoops

Interesting view.. The World Champions against a team that has always been hyped but never come through...Don't be fooled by a good game last week.
unless you get a ton of points don't bet against the World Champions.


awww Hoops.

465 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:28:33am

re: #455 realwest
Morning Doing quite well today.

466 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:28:51am

re: #446 DeafDog

Good morning

On the oil price watch - NYMEX Crude futures are at $34.80 per barrel

Holy crap... So why is gas in Queens, NY still $2.00/gallon? When last a barrel of oil was this cheap, gas was like $1.50...

467 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:29:04am

re: #448 apachegunner
HEY! YOU! I'm taking back my #442 for that. I can say things like that cause I'm a lifelong Giants fan, you and you're stupid Panthers can kiss my ass!

468 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:29:09am

Well, President Bush just announced that UAW bailout. I think I'm done with the big 4... what a shame...

469 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:29:39am

re: #466 tfc3rid
Last time Oil was this low was early 90's late 80's wasn't it?

470 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:29:43am

re: #450 realwest

Hey Hoops! Well ONE of the Mannings may get to the superbowl, but I really don't see Eli there this year, just too many injuries: all pro running back, best wide receiver, two O linemen down and we get to play the Panthers as they are peaking.
Crap.
You're eating leftovers from last night?!? Did you get to sleep at all? LOL!

I agree, my friend... Cowboys (ugh) and Colts... I think the Giants are toast as we speak...

471 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:29:44am

re: #466 tfc3rid

Holy crap... So why is gas in Queens, NY still $2.00/gallon? When last a barrel of oil was this cheap, gas was like $1.50...

Diet or regular? It could be that new soda tax.

472 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:30:00am

re: #453 pingjockey
Hey Ping, doing ok, I guess - how's about you?

473 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:30:27am

Heh - my post #666 was an evil pun.

474 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:30:48am

re: #470 tfc3rid
Don't think it'll be the Cowboys either.

475 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:30:49am

re: #462 Rancher

I just got into it with a moonbat over globull warming this weekend and showed him the Ice shelf growth and declining average annual global temps and he said the science was bad. Then brought up some kook lefty blog talking about the shrinking Ice shelfs. I asked him where the science or facts associated with the conclussion were and he had nothing.


I used to have a column where they disputed global warming due to the fact that none of the monbats tables incorporated solar cycles, trends, temps into the equation. It was quite interesting...

476 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:31:01am

re: #461 realwest

Good morning {aussie} thank you and *smooches* back to you! How late is it your time?!

1.30am here and it's Saturday :-)

Hope your mum feels better soon darls!

477 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:31:08am

re: #454 DeafDog

Punish success, in all its forms.

Reward failure, in all its forms.

What's the problem?

/

Share the wealth... Your good fortune keeps another person down... Come on man...

And they call it the 'Fair Share Tax'... As if those making over $250K pay nothing right now... They pay to keep this dumb-ass state operating...

478 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:31:36am

re: #474 Rancher
Not sure who from the NFC will do it tho. I expect the giants to fold week 2 after their bye week.

479 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:32:15am

re: #446 DeafDog

Good morning

On the oil price watch - NYMEX Crude futures are at $34.80 per barrel

Gas has gone up .20 here the past few days. I'm keeping my car full.

480 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:32:16am

re: #460 Pietr
Hey Pietr! Yeah, it's been relatively "warm" here too and rainy - heavy to just drizzly like now. I want some Sun damnit! Or at last SNOW! LOL! I'm easy to please.

481 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:32:45am

re: #477 tfc3rid
Got into it with moonbat over taxes too he didn't understand raising operating costs for corporations would make his walmart trips more expensive.

482 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:32:49am

re: #469 Rancher

Last time Oil was this low was early 90's late 80's wasn't it?

Nah, 2002.

483 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:33:08am

re: #466 tfc3rid

Taxes are a part, but it also depends on whether a particular gas station is a high volume station. If it is, the prices will tend to drop faster because it can pass on the savings quicker based on new shipments at a lower price. If they don't have high volume, the prices tend to remain higher for longer.

Oh, and I'd watch for the Democrats to start raising the idea of increasing the motor fuels taxes to raise revenues and to further reduce consumption. They've had to abandon the windfall profits taxes because there aren't the profits to tax, but everyone still needs fuel... just watch.

484 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:33:18am

re: #467 realwest

HEY! YOU! I'm taking back my #442 for that. I can say things like that cause I'm a lifelong Giants fan, you and you're stupid Panthers can kiss my ass!


Golly RW your rant is beyond friendly. I'll be sure and stay on my side of the line.

485 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:33:22am

re: #467 realwest

HEY! YOU! I'm taking back my #442 for that. I can say things like that cause I'm a lifelong Giants fan, you and you're stupid Panthers can kiss my ass!

You know what will e cool is the talk about our defenses in the Superbowl.
You guys are just a manhandling monster players and we are pure speed.
we bend but don't break as a defense.. You guys just beat the shit out of the offense.

486 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:33:23am

re: #465 Rancher
Hey, I'm glad to hear it! Any special reason or just a normal I-feel-good kinda day (I remember those! LOL!)?

487 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:33:43am

re: #482 tfc3rid
Ahh ok thought it was longer than that.

488 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:33:53am

re: #481 Rancher

Got into it with moonbat over taxes too he didn't understand raising operating costs for corporations would make his walmart trips more expensive.

I have a buddy here at work who is hoping for Card Check to pass so that Wal Mart goes out of business...

489 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:34:36am

re: #468 Amer-I-Can
What did President Bush announce? I mean, what's he doing for the Big 2?

490 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:34:40am

re: #478 Rancher

Not sure who from the NFC will do it tho. I expect the giants to fold week 2 after their bye week.

Let the Vikings go to the Super Bowl, under the conditions that they use Al Frankin as the ball!

491 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:35:16am

re: #472 realwest
Good. We'll see next month. The wifes' shop is going to 3 day work weeks to keep some of their trained people employed until production ramps back up in March! Goddamn union assholes. This is duem to the Boeing machinist going on strike. I have no sympathy, none for union people making over 25 bucks and hour then they go on strike!

492 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:35:35am

re: #483 lawhawk

Well I am surprised because this station is very high volume... Lots of traffic...

Oh they will do whatever it takes to curb use of fuel... Windfall profits will not be in chic when the Quarterly earnings come out and they aren't records for the Oil and Gas companies. Perhaps the Dems will force the Oil and Gas companies to share profits with the Auto Makers to bail them out?

493 gregg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:35:36am

re: #468 Amer-I-Can

Well, President Bush just announced that UAW bailout. I think I'm done with the big 4... what a shame...

It's kind of like capitalism lying in a hospital bed on life support and Bush walks up to offer comfort and just happens to stumble over the electric cord - knocking it out of the socket. Flatline.

494 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:36:06am

re: #486 realwest
Shift almost over weather looks nice no more 50 mile an hour winds and its pretty warm out. Cold weather and high winds wreck havoc on my knees. It's just a general feel good kinda day.
Rustler btw not rancher.

495 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:36:13am

re: #476 aussiemagpie
Thanks darls - I assume, given the hour and day that you've got some Chardy handy?!
:)

496 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:36:18am

re: #489 realwest

What did President Bush announce? I mean, what's he doing for the Big 2?

13.4 billion.

497 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:36:43am

re: #489 realwest
Pawning em off on Obama by giving em a bridge loan.

498 DeafDog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:36:49am

re: #466 tfc3rid

Holy crap... So why is gas in Queens, NY still $2.00/gallon? When last a barrel of oil was this cheap, gas was like $1.50...

Interesting question. I offer 3 theories:

1. This week was a BIG, 20% decline. There is probably a week or two delay before those lower prices hit the retail level.
2. The refiners are probably getting a bigger margin. With less gasoline being processed, they need to get a bigger price per gallon % to maintain their fixed costs.
3. Is gasoline one of the areas where NY state and city are increasing taxes?


Is that one of the areas where NY has increased taxes?

499 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:37:12am
500 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:37:21am

DOW is up 111

501 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:37:23am

re: #497 Rancher

Pawning em off on Obama by giving em a bridge loan.

A bridge to NoBama

502 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:37:34am

re: #459 apachegunner

No worries. The One will institute mandatory Beano.

503 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:37:38am

re: #478 Rancher
Don't think the Giants will get the bye week to be honest with you, not unless they get past the Panthers anyway.

504 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:37:55am

re: #490 Dustyvet
Make it Tackling dummy and you have a deal.

505 DeafDog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:38:04am

re: #470 tfc3rid

I agree, my friend... Cowboys (ugh) and Colts... I think the Giants are toast as we speak...

I don't think so. The Cowboys will lose to E's and won't make the playoffs.

506 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:38:33am

re: #504 Rancher

Make it Tackling dummy and you have a deal.

Done deal..:)

507 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:38:49am

re: #436 Rancher

I wonder if Ford can take advantage of the non Bankruptcy restructuring to dump the unions without taking the money tho?

Of course, they are free to go to bankruptcy court anytime they think they can prove their case for needing court protection.

508 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:39:11am

re: #499 FrogMarch
Ya notice the ones promoting the 'unfairness doctrine' are all donks?

509 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:39:21am

re: #499 FrogMarch

the corruptocrats/ neo-Stalinists want to remove free speech from radio.

test

New nickname for the Democratic party: "The Ministry of Truth."

Their new slogan: "We have always been at war with Eastasia..."

510 Maximu§  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:40:19am

re: #500 3 wood

DOW is up 111

Have we hit bottom yet?

511 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:40:24am

re: #505 DeafDog
The Cowboys aren't getting to the Super Bowl. Panthers/Giants vs Indy or Pittsburgh.

512 DeafDog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:40:24am

re: #489 realwest

What did President Bush announce? I mean, what's he doing for the Big 2?

Larry Kudlow calls them the 'little 3' car companies.

Chuckle. I think that's funny.

513 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:40:29am

re: #495 realwest

Thanks darls - I assume, given the hour and day that you've got some Chardy handy?!
:)

LOL! Life support right here in the glass :-)

514 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:40:43am

re: #451 tfc3rid

The Anointed One is going to keep funneling money in their direction... Why? Because he is indebted to the UAW...

They are reported to have given him $400 million in this last campaign.

It's time for them to get a payback on that investment.

515 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:40:53am

re: #507 3 wood
Yeah but Bush was making it sound like non bankruptcy restructuring for GM/Chrystler was wondering if Ford could take advantage without taking money.

516 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:41:06am

These enormous vegetarians can be found in warm coastal waters and fully paid for, basements of parental homes from East Africa to Australia, Seattle to Massachussets, including the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Pacific many suburbs where sloth and laziness are paramount.

Dugongs are related to manatees smelly Hippies of the 1960's and are similar in appearance and behavior (not to mention aroma) — though the dugong's tail is fluked like a whale's head is pointy like a Democrat's. Both are related to the elephant donkey, although the giant land animal this braying a**hat is not at all similar in appearance or behavior, they are the very same.

Dugongs graze toke on under water bongs grasses day and night, rooting for teating on them with their bristled, sensitive snouts quivering lips and chomping them with their rough lips dopily scrounging for Cheetos.

These mammals a**hats can stay bing-a-bong underwater for six minutes before surfacing bawling at Mom for Cheetos. They Their filthy clothes sometimes breathe often stay "standing" on their tail with their heads above own with the benefit of soap and water.

Dugongs spend much of their time alone or in pairs,...

Fixed that fer ya. :D

517 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:41:15am

re: #511 pingjockey
Unless Tennessee gets its Mojo back.

518 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:41:39am

re: #484 apachegunner
Sorry Guns, just in a bad mood today. And of course this place is SURRROUNDED by Panthers' fans and all the newsbroadcasts are about how Wonderful the Panthers are and how the Giants have - for some mysterious reason - gone downhill fast.
Effin' dumbshits. When your offense can't run the ball AND you have no downfield threat, everytime Eli walks up to the line of scrimmage he see's a 7 or 8 man box, calls a time-out and uses his cellphone to increase both his health and life insurance policies.

519 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:41:53am

Morning, everyone. 3 wood mentioned the ice we got in the area, but out in my neck of the woods NO ONE is traveling at all. While the major road near my house seems clear--I see lots of traffic moving--the side roads have been pretty much ignored, and I haven't heard a car yet.

Work is closed today, but I brought my work computer home. I have two projects that I have to get started on, whether I'm off work or not.

520 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:42:05am

re: #507 3 wood

If I were Ford, I would capitalize (pun in tended) on the unpopularity of this, dinging the other 2 in the process. Ford could say they backed out because its "UnAmerican to pawn your woes off on others, this company was founded in American ideals and its with those ideals it will get better" Use lots of terms like "American ingenuity" and then do something like declare bankruptcy as a negative to get toward a more positive end - but not accepting Government welfare...you guys get the point. Buy Ford - we didn't force you to use your money to save our skins!

521 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:42:31am

PIMF

"with OUT the benefit of soap and water ..."

Sheesh.

522 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:42:46am

re: #510 Maximu§

Have we hit bottom yet?

Depends on how much more bad news comes.

I think we have, but that does not mean we will not bounce around and keep challenging the bottom.

We need about a month of no more real bad news to settle the markets down.

Also, the banks will start letting some cash out in loans after they get past the Dec 31 financial reporting date. Until then, they are holding their cash to make their numbers look as strong as possible.

523 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:43:00am

re: #500 3 wood

DOW is up 111


The Big 3 and their distributors is in a lot of portfolis

Morning 3Wood ( I am more of a Rescue Club kind of gal-lol)

524 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:43:04am

re: #514 3 wood

Wouldn't the 400 million have been helpful in saving their jobs?

oh, sorry. I was using logic.

525 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:43:16am

re: #518 realwest

All is well..Brandon is back Sunday night

526 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:43:26am

re: #520 ArmyWife
You need to get propietary rights to that and sell it to Ford!

527 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:43:34am

s'ok partner, it's just a game such as life :>)re: #518 realwest

528 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:43:47am

re: #526 pingjockey

You guys are my witnesses that I thought of it, ok?

529 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:43:47am

re: #489 realwest

What did President Bush announce? I mean, what's he doing for the Big 2?

$17 billion loan to punt them into Obama's lap.

530 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:44:12am

re: #520 ArmyWife

If I were Ford, I would capitalize (pun in tended) on the unpopularity of this, dinging the other 2 in the process. Ford could say they backed out because its "UnAmerican to pawn your woes off on others, this company was founded in American ideals and its with those ideals it will get better" Use lots of terms like "American ingenuity" and then do something like declare bankruptcy as a negative to get toward a more positive end - but not accepting Government welfare...you guys get the point. Buy Ford - we didn't force you to use your money to save our skins!


I like that idea - it would have alot of appeal to the masses

531 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:44:19am

re: #520 ArmyWife

If I were Ford, I would capitalize (pun in tended) on the unpopularity of this, dinging the other 2 in the process. Ford could say they backed out because its "UnAmerican to pawn your woes off on others, this company was founded in American ideals and its with those ideals it will get better" Use lots of terms like "American ingenuity" and then do something like declare bankruptcy as a negative to get toward a more positive end - but not accepting Government welfare...you guys get the point. Buy Ford - we didn't force you to use your money to save our skins!

Ford - liquidity is job #1

532 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:44:25am

re: #528 ArmyWife
Sho' nuff!

533 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:44:27am

re: #501 DaddyG

LMAO! Thanks, hope you don't mind if I steal that today, that was classic.

534 HoosierHoops  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:44:29am

re: #519 vxbush

Morning, everyone. 3 wood mentioned the ice we got in the area, but out in my neck of the woods NO ONE is traveling at all. While the major road near my house seems clear--I see lots of traffic moving--the side roads have been pretty much ignored, and I haven't heard a car yet.

Work is closed today, but I brought my work computer home. I have two projects that I have to get started on, whether I'm off work or not.

Ice everywhere here VX.. Home on vacation

535 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:44:33am

re: #519 vxbush
your location?

536 DeafDog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:44:41am

re: #511 pingjockey

The Cowboys aren't getting to the Super Bowl. Panthers/Giants vs Indy or Pittsburgh.

If the E's sneak into the playoffs, I think they will represent the NFC. If the E's don't sneak in, then I go Panthers.

For the AFC, Pitt has a great D, but Rothlesburger just sucks. I like Tennessee.

537 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:45:04am

re: #516 Miss Trixie

These enormous vegetarians can be found in warm coastal waters and fully paid for, basements of parental homes from East Africa to Australia, Seattle to Massachussets, including the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Pacific many suburbs where sloth and laziness are paramount.

Dugongs are related to manatees smelly Hippies of the 1960's and are similar in appearance and behavior (not to mention aroma) — though the dugong's tail is fluked like a whale's head is pointy like a Democrat's. Both are related to the elephant donkey, although the giant land animal this braying a**hat is not at all similar in appearance or behavior, they are the very same.

Dugongs graze toke on under water bongs grasses day and night, rooting for teating on them with their bristled, sensitive snouts quivering lips and chomping them with their rough lips dopily scrounging for Cheetos.

These mammals a**hats can stay bing-a-bong underwater for six minutes before surfacing bawling at Mom for Cheetos. They Their filthy clothes sometimes breathe often stay "standing" on their tail with their heads above own with the benefit of soap and water.

Dugongs spend much of their time alone or in pairs,...

Fixed that fer ya. :D

HAHAHA! Hey, get back to work :-)

538 itellu3times  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:45:06am

OK, just who is nuts here.

All this talk of loans to the auto makers says, if they are not blah blah blah, then the loans will be called back, they will have to repay the money immediately.

What are they smoking? If they are not blah blah blah there is a Detroit Lion's chance (zero) that the loan *can* be repaid. Right?

Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life on this planet.

539 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:45:26am

re: #531 DaddyG

Ford - liquidity is job #1

LOL! I worked at a company back in the 80's that fed parts to Ford. Man, we had so much quality control stuff sent at us I slept for weeks.

540 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:45:33am

re: #533 Amer-I-Can
I would be honored.

541 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:45:35am

re: #499 FrogMarch

the corruptocrats/ neo-Stalinists want to remove free speech from radio.

test

The alternative to open political discourse in not political submission, it is political violence.

As Ayn Rand used to say, a gun is not a substitute for an argument.

Once force is openly used against those who speak out against the Left then the gloves will come off and force WILL be openly used against the Left. Once the Left openly repudiates the rules for living in a civil society then their victims will no longer see themselves as subject to those same rules.

Or to put it another way to the Left, break the rules of civil society and you will have left us no choice but to break you.

It's called a civil war. And cars with bumper stickers, tee-shirts, and other examples of open posturing will make target identification very easy.

542 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:45:51am

re: #535 apachegunner

your location?

Middle of Illinois, not that far from 3 wood.

543 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:45:58am

re: #452 Joan

Note the very unscientific rhetoric used by the AGW faction:

A majority of climatologists have concluded that human activities are responsible for most of the warming. …
A small number of scientists argue that the increase in greenhouse gases has not made a measurable difference in the temperature. But the vast majority of climatologists believe ...

...as if facts are decided by the number of people who repeat a particular point of view. That's a form of argument by authority.

544 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:46:12am

re: #515 Rancher

Yeah but Bush was making it sound like non bankruptcy restructuring for GM/Chrystler was wondering if Ford could take advantage without taking money.

I think Bush was telling them that they are going to have to restructure and make painful changes one way or the other.

I think the auto companies will blow that off and take their chances with Obama.

545 Maximu§  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:46:20am

re: #522 3 wood

At least oil is low...imagine all of this going down and gas is at $4.50 a gallon?

546 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:46:56am

re: #492 tfc3rid
Hey tfc3rid and Lawhawk! It's simple: most of the far left - i.e., the Democrats - live in urban areas where there is mass transit and they think only rich (usually white males) drive and that we all drive SUV's - so a) it's no skin off their noses if the price of gas jumps 100% cause of taxes and b) it'll punish those folks who's states were foolish enough to go for McCain.
They also think food and clothing and BEER and other essentials of life just "magically" appear on their store shelves, too. Sometimes the Dems are SO STUPID I wanna bang my head against the wall!

547 DeafDog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:47:01am

re: #523 summergurl

The Big little 3 and their distributors is in a lot of portfolis

Ya gotta call it like it is.

548 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:47:09am

re: #519 vxbush

Morning, everyone. 3 wood mentioned the ice we got in the area, but out in my neck of the woods NO ONE is traveling at all.

I made it in :)

549 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:47:20am

re: #544 3 wood

ya think?

550 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:47:24am

re: #528 ArmyWife Dinged it and it's sorta poor man copywritten allthough better still would be to mail your self a copy certified mail and sending one to Ford at the same time. This way if they use your idea and fail to provide appropriate compensation you have your copy unopened with the certified mail reciept as well as your reciept from Ford's copy.

551 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:47:51am

re: #541 The Other Les

As Ayn Rand used to say, a gun is not a substitute for an argument.

And as Mao said, "Political power flows from the barrel of a gun."

552 Rancher  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:48:17am

Yay relief just walked in I'm really out now be safe.

553 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:48:26am

re: #518 realwest

Sorry Guns, just in a bad mood today. And of course this place is SURRROUNDED by Panthers' fans and all the newsbroadcasts are about how Wonderful the Panthers are and how the Giants have - for some mysterious reason - gone downhill fast.
Effin' dumbshits. When your offense can't run the ball AND you have no downfield threat, everytime Eli walks up to the line of scrimmage he see's a 7 or 8 man box, calls a time-out and uses his cellphone to increase both his health and life insurance policies.

Well, you have the HIDE to tell me my English is "funny" ? :-)

What language is this eh? 7 or 8 man box...?

8 men in a box? Cardboard?

554 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:48:34am

re: #494 Rancher
Ah, well Rustler, I can sympathize with ya about your knees! This damp weather is playing havoc with mine!

555 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:48:35am

re: #546 realwest

Good grief, RW. The beer will get there using the oil pipeline that will be obsolete.

Do I hafta explain everything around here?

///times infinity

556 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:48:53am

re: #546 realwest
Should've seen mass transit in action in Seattle yesterday. People ride the bus to work, it snows, no busses. So the city tells the mass transit riders to find 'alternate' ways home!

557 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:49:06am

re: #548 3 wood

I made it in :)

And I think you live--what, four blocks from work? :D

558 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:49:18am

Bush the democrats are economic idiots.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

559 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:49:29am

re: #545 Maximu§

At least oil is low...imagine all of this going down and gas is at $4.50 a gallon?

You know you may have something there--- when gas was so expensive it really drove home the point that we need to drive something other than gas guzzlers. Case in point, my daughter refuses to buy a new car , and she has the money to purchase one now, until there is a vehicle out there with better gas mileage. No one wants to get stuck with a car that gets only 20 something or less mpg when gas is almost 5 bucks a gallon. It doesn't matter that gas in well under 2 bucks now, you still remember how vulnerable you were and are.

560 3 wood  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:49:56am

re: #545 Maximu§

At least oil is low...imagine all of this going down and gas is at $4.50 a gallon?

That drop in gas price is going to be a major help in recovering from this downturn. It is the equivalent of a major tax cut, except it does not cost the Government that much for this to happen (yes, Motor Fuel Taxes drop a bit).

this is pumping hundreds of billions back into the economy and will make future profit numbers jump for corporations.

561 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:49:57am

re: #550 Rancher

I think I'll make it a bit more coherent - you guys read through my stream of conscious thinking 'cause you "know" me. I'll seriously work on it. What is the worst that could happen?

562 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:50:16am

re: #553 aussiemagpie
American football lingo! Foreign language like the rules of Cricket!

563 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:50:56am

re: #497 Rancher
a "bridge loan"?! I thought they only used those in real estate deals - to bridge the gap between construction completion and renting up.
What the hell are they gonna use to pay back this bridge loan?
I don't BTW, think Bush is bailing out the UAW, I just think he doesn't want to go down in history as the guy who was President when GENERAL MOTORS went under.

564 DeafDog  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:51:21am

re: #520 ArmyWife

If I were Ford, I would capitalize (pun in tended) on the unpopularity of this, dinging the other 2 in the process. Ford could say they backed out because its "UnAmerican to pawn your woes off on others, this company was founded in American ideals and its with those ideals it will get better" Use lots of terms like "American ingenuity" and then do something like declare bankruptcy as a negative to get toward a more positive end - but not accepting Government welfare...you guys get the point. Buy Ford - we didn't force you to use your money to save our skins!


I will note, here, that the guy running Ford (Mullaly?) came from outside the car business (he's from Boeing). As a result, Ford is in better shape than the other little 2.

LGFers spend a lot of energy blasting the unions. That's deserved to a point, but the unions are not the only incompetents. The in-bred senior management also deserves blame. The corporate boards and senior management from the GM needs to go, too.

565 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:51:27am

re: #508 pingjockey

Ya notice the ones promoting the 'unfairness doctrine' are all donks?

Donks = little Stalins

566 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:51:57am

re: #558 FrogMarch

Bush AND the democrats are economic idiots.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

fixed

567 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:52:00am

re: #500 3 wood
Hey 3 wood - how are you this morning? Didja get my e-mail yesterday about "the Chicago Way"?!

568 x-wing  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:52:00am

re: #553 aussiemagpie

Well, you have the HIDE to tell me my English is "funny" ? :-)

What language is this eh? 7 or 8 man box...?

8 men in a box? Cardboard?


It means the Quarterback is about to meet the turf...the hard way

569 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:52:33am

re: #564 DeafDog

I will note, here, that the guy running Ford (Mullaly?) came from outside the car business (he's from Boeing). As a result, Ford is in better shape than the other little 2.

LGFers spend a lot of energy blasting the unions. That's deserved to a point, but the unions are not the only incompetents. The in-bred senior management also deserves blame. The corporate boards and senior management from the GM needs to go, too.

I seriously think that these management types never put to mind the thought that there might be a problem with the markets and therefore they needed to have a backup plan and certain cash in the bank in case the economy took a dive. I seriously don't think that ever crossed their minds.

570 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:52:38am

re: #564 DeafDog

The spinless management that allowed the Unions to have such incredibly anti-competitive contracts deserve blame, too. Its called a strike, people. Used well, it can have positive outcomes.

571 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:52:41am

re: #558 FrogMarch

Bush the democrats are economic idiots.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Democrats: Takes one to know one!

572 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:52:46am

re: #500 3 wood

DOW is up 111

Well, that figures. The markets like it when they get money - and since GM is a Dow component, it figures that the markets would be up on the news that GM is getting a bailout (oh, I'm sorry, I mean a loan to the UAW).

573 summergurl  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:52:53am

Time to log off and work on some other stuff ---

Later Lizards---

574 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:53:10am

re: #564 DeafDog
Correct it is was team effort to crash the auto industry that should be fairly healthy. Don't forget a ton of congressional CAFE shit too.

575 notutopia  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:53:18am

As frightening as terrorism is, it’s the weapon of losers. The minute somebody sets off a suicide bomb, you can be sure that person doesn’t have ‘career prospects.’ And no matter how horrendous a terrorist attack is, it’s still conducted by losers. Winners don’t need to hijack airplanes. Winners have an Air Force.

— P. J. O’Rourke

US: Missile Defense Systems
Russia: Sore Losers, who now share their jet wealth in attempt to make the other Losers...Winners:
Russia to Cut Arms if U.S. Drops Missile Defense
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

576 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:53:36am

re: #565 FrogMarch

Donks = little Stalins

Stuart Smalley's Daily Affirmations for the Inner Communist

Monday:

"I'm going to execute and expropriate today just for the heck of it because, gosh darn it, I deserve to have a good time."

Tuesday:

"I am not a fraud, a Marxist yes, but not a fraud."

Wednesday:

"I deserve all the mass adulation from the people I can get without feeling ashamed or being grandiose."

Thursday:

"I will express my feelings today. I will not hide them behind my mustache. My mustache is not a mask for my feelings, but rather a small patch of facial hair that covers my inadequacies."

Friday:

"When I rob a bank for the cause, I will not be playing those parent tapes in my head: "You wield a revolver like a girl" . . . "Why can't you be more like Stalin?" . . . "Philosophy? What kind of major is that? It's useless!"

Saturday:

"Just because I execute Christians and counter-revolutionaries does not mean I'm an mass-murdering psychopath like my father."

Sunday:

"If I must violently put down a counter-revolution today, it is not because I am a bad person or that I am not worthy of love; it is because my people are a bunch of religion-addicted capitalist sons-of-bitches--and I am mean enough, ruthless enough, and dog gone it, people fear me."

577 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:54:45am

re: #570 ArmyWife
Oak Harbor freight lines here has been on strike for at least 4 months. I am surprised that the Teamsters have took it lying down.

578 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:54:55am

Rabbi will light 15-ft. Menorah made out of salami.

"They tried to kill us."
"They didn't succeed."
"Let's eat!"

579 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:55:06am

re: #556 pingjockey

Should've seen mass transit in action in Seattle yesterday. People ride the bus to work, it snows, no busses. So the city tells the mass transit riders to find 'alternate' ways home!

I feel their pain - we're in day 10 of a transit strike and have to use alternate methods of getting around.

580 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:55:48am

re: #562 pingjockey

American football lingo! Foreign language like the rules of Cricket!

LOL! Thanks!

Now have I mentioned today's play in the cricket Test? :-)

581 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:55:49am

re: #579 Miss Trixie

I feel their pain - we're in day 10 of a transit strike and have to use alternate methods of getting around.

No reason to fear - Obama will send out a fleet of unicorns. ;)

582 Maximu§  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:56:18am

re: #560 3 wood

That drop in gas price is going to be a major help in recovering from this downturn. It is the equivalent of a major tax cut, except it does not cost the Government that much for this to happen (yes, Motor Fuel Taxes drop a bit).

this is pumping hundreds of billions back into the economy and will make future profit numbers jump for corporations.


3wood and Summergurl

Low oil prices also weakens enemies like Putin, Chavez and that little Iranian Hitler. Less money in their pockets weakens their hold on power. I don't relish regular citizens of these countries suffering, because we are suffering also.

583 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:56:20am

re: #525 HoosierHoops
Wonder how far back Brandon has come? IF he's like 95% then the Giants have a chance - anything less, though, and Eli's on that telephone again! LOL!

584 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:56:20am

re: #577 pingjockey

You have to be careful and follow all the appropriate rules so you can replace your workers if you take a strike - the end result is a more robust business because no one with a union mentality will cross a picket line. There is collateral damage, though, make no mistake. Many good people lose their jobs.

585 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:56:21am

re: #579 Miss Trixie
Well the only alternative to mass transit is your own car or a cab!

586 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:56:44am

re: #580 aussiemagpie
God forbid!

587 Maximu§  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:56:51am

Have to go take care all...woohoo its Friday!

588 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:56:56am

re: #512 DeafDog

I've been calling them the smallish three for some time now... Ford is in the best financial shape of the three, and Chrysler is in the worst, despite its owners - Cerebus having the money to put into it (but isn't because they know a dead horse when they see one).

So, we're supposed to cheer that GM and Chrysler are getting loans? How are they going to repay if they're going to be in substantially the same position 3 months from now? They're going to be declaring bankruptcy sooner or later, and with it the billions are gone. Bush is simply punting those decisions to Obama. Let the Anointed One deal with the UAW and the mess they've made.

Let's also ignore that even when the factories are being shut down, the workers are getting paid 85% of their regular salary. That sounds to me like they're being paid not to work. It's just another manifestation of how and why the automakers are in the mess they're in. They can't improve their financial picture because they're hemorrhaging money at every turn no matter what they do. It's a structural problem that can't be fixed by throwing money at the problem.

589 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:57:37am

Hello.

My name is Ben Hur and I'm a Wrathaholic.

It's been 12 hours since I've read his last post.

590 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:57:52am

re: #584 ArmyWife
They were running ads in the paper for drivers with Class A CDLs'.

591 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:58:11am

re: #527 apachegunner
FOOTBALL IS JUST A GAME? Whaddya nuts or something? FOOTBALL is LIFE...until baseball season, anyway! LOL!
Again, I'm sorry - just a little more tense than usual today.

592 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:58:27am

re: #589 Ben Hur
WTF?

593 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:58:39am

re: #568 x-wing

It means the Quarterback is about to meet the turf...the hard way

Thanks, and in previous discussion here I discovered your quarterback is our halfback (in rugby league) and scrum half in rugby union

I'd say your quarterback is being shortchanged a quarter :-)

594 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:59:03am

re: #589 Ben Hur

Hello.

My name is Ben Hur and I'm a Wrathaholic.

It's been 12 hours since I've read his last post.

Wrath was banned.

595 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:59:14am

re: #576 The Other Les

That reminds me of my observation that CBBHO's references to his present "campaign" is very similar to Communism's perpetual revolution.

596 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:59:17am

re: #591 realwest
Did you watch the ESPN special on the 1958 NFL Championship game?

597 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:59:43am

Via Debbie Schlussel:

Ironical

Working from the deep, respectable, cushioned inside, Bernard Madoff inflicted more damage and misery on Jewish families, charities, and institutions than all of the homegrown cells of jihadists running wild in the imaginations of Pamela Geller, Debbie Schlussel, Francis Porretto, Michelle Malkin, David Horowitz, and the flat sodas at Pajamas Media. These great bloggers have been scanning the horizon for pirates, oblivious to the bomb about to go off below deck.

Anti-Semitism at Vanity Fair. (That would be LEFTIST.)

598 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 6:59:51am

re: #594 gclaghorn
Really?!

599 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:00:03am

re: #536 DeafDog
Panther will absolutely KILL the Eagles - no doubt about that. They (the Panthers) really are a very good football club and they are hitting on all 8 cylinders right now.

600 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:00:10am

re: #582 Maximu§

3wood and Summergurl

Low oil prices also weakens enemies like Putin, Chavez and that little Iranian Hitler. Less money in their pockets weakens their hold on power. I don't relish regular citizens of these countries suffering, because we are suffering also.

Maybe the suffering will prompt some home-grown efforts at regime change.

601 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:00:30am

re: #598 pingjockey

Really?!

Had a meltdown on the evolution thread last night. Started picking fights with everyone.

602 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:01:11am

re: #588 lawhawk

Agreed. They management team would tell you a shut down saves in overhead costs, though, such as Admin support. It would also save in utilities (not running = less steam, electricity, natural gas, etc). I would imagine they would force the salaried staff to use vacation, so that eliminates cost related to Overtime. On those same lines, the workers being paid for nothing are not covering shifts on overtime because they are not running. It lowers inventory, product is not shipping (saving on logistics costs) etc. etc. etc.

What would be helpful is if the company was saving on all those things, PLUS not paying the workers to sit on thier butts.

603 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:01:28am

re: #601 gclaghorn

Had a meltdown on the evolution thread last night. Started picking fights with everyone.

Damn. We've lost a lot of folks over the evolution threads.

604 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:01:39am

re: #597 Ben Hur

Via Debbie Schlussel:

Ironical


Anti-Semitism at Vanity Fair. (That would be LEFTIST.)

Flat sodas at Pajamas Media? What does that mean?

605 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:01:43am

re: #563 realwest

a "bridge loan"?! I thought they only used those in real estate deals - to bridge the gap between construction completion and renting up.
What the hell are they gonna use to pay back this bridge loan?
I don't BTW, think Bush is bailing out the UAW, I just think he doesn't want to go down in history as the guy who was President when GENERAL MOTORS went under.

You are absolutely correct. Of course, it is BS that GM or Chrysler would fail if they filed Chapter 11. The UAW would take a hit, and then strike as they pout and lick their wounds... but the car companies would not fail.

They have excess inventory now which has created the reason for the factory shut downs for the next 38 days. The UAW members continue to get paid though... REALLY shut them down and refuse to pay the workers if they don't work... that will bring talk to the table pretty quickly.

It pisses me off that I am paying for retirees for a corrupt organization because nobody has the stones to stand up to them. I have a family to support, I don't need to support theirs. I can't figure out my own retirement plan, but I'm supposed to make theirs solid with my tax dollars? I don't think so.

I will NEVER purchase another GM or Chrysler product; and I'm sure that I'm not alone. The truth will be told on the show room floor when this is all over. I do not believe that they will ever see the market share that they used to enjoy... and that is a good thing in my humble opinion.

/rant off

606 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:01:55am

re: #603 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Damn. We've lost a lot of folks over the evolution threads.

They just couldn't adapt.

607 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:01:57am

re: #601 gclaghorn
Those evo threads have the ability to drive some folks mad! They are never dull and I get a kick out of them. Plus they're damn educational.

608 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:02:05am

re: #586 pingjockey

God forbid!

OK, I'm going to start my minute by minute report of all seven hours of today's play...

609 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:02:15am

re: #604 MandyManners

Flat sodas at Pajamas Media? What does that mean?

They're like three-dimensional sodas, only flatter.

610 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:02:31am

re: #543 Kenneth
Hi Kenneth - hope you're doing well, eh? So what the hell is this - are we gonna have a vote of scientists as to whether or not there's climate change?
Funny, from all the ID threads I thought science was, well...scientific, ya know?!

611 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:02:59am

re: #608 aussiemagpie
You are an evil, evil person! :)

612 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:03:00am

re: #604 MandyManners


He's trying to be clever, I gather.

613 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:03:23am

re: #598 pingjockey

Really?!

Yup.
That thread was unpleasant ... worse than most Creationist "discussions".

614 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:03:36am

re: #605 Amer-I-Can

Hence my Ford marketing plan! See, Ford? I got you another customer.

615 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:04:14am

re: #563 realwest

a "bridge loan"?! I thought they only used those in real estate deals - to bridge the gap between construction completion and renting up.
What the hell are they gonna use to pay back this bridge loan?
I don't BTW, think Bush is bailing out the UAW, I just think he doesn't want to go down in history as the guy who was President when GENERAL MOTORS went under.

Exactly! The Auto makers are bleeding 6 billion a month. The UAW will not back down. In Jan the corruptocrats take over. Which means the UAW can relax becasue their pay-to-play donk payback is coming.

= we the tax payer are screwed.

616 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:04:46am

re: #589 Ben Hur

Hello.

My name is Ben Hur and I'm a Wrathaholic.

It's been 12 hours since I've read his last post.

"Hi, Ben!"

Someone had to say it.

617 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:05:00am

re: #613 jwb7605
Well just poop! Sounds as if it was very contentious.

618 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:05:13am

re: #612 Ben Hur

He's trying to be clever, I gather.

I know it's an insult but, I still don't understand what he meant. They have no bubbles?

619 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:05:39am

re: #614 ArmyWife

Hence my Ford marketing plan! See, Ford? I got you another customer.

LOL, and you have NO idea how much that pains me... I have never liked Ford... until now.

620 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:05:42am

Discover Financial Services made $535 million in the 4Q of '08 and they're demanding TARP money.

Discover posts Q4 profit; applies for government funds

The insanity continues.

621 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:05:44am

re: #618 MandyManners
PJ Media has no fizz!

622 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:05:47am

The U.S. House Of Lords?

"I don't know what Caroline Kennedy's qualifications are. Except that she has name recognition, but so does J-Lo."

623 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:06:12am

re: #617 pingjockey

Well just poop! Sounds as if it was very contentious.

Wrath was wound up for no reason that I could see.

624 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:06:32am

re: #541 The Other Les
"As Ayn Rand used to say, a gun is not a substitute for an argument.", just before she went down in a hail of bullets! LOL!
Seriously, I think your post is very thought provoking - what would be the tipping point?

625 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:06:42am

re: #616 Occasional Reader

"Hi, Ben!"

Someone had to say it.

H*llo, to you too, FR*END!

626 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:07:01am

re: #618 MandyManners

not fizzy? Don't make us burp? My Daddy always gave us flat soda to soothe our tummies.

627 pingjockey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:07:18am

Later folks. See ya this evening!

628 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:07:51am

re: #611 pingjockey

You are an evil, evil person! :)

The umpires are walking out onto the ground... (ist minute)

Hey, you don't know what you're missing out on!

Days of entertainment and that's just one match :-)

629 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:07:54am

re: #603 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Perhaps this is Charles' take on giving evolution a nudge? Thinning the herd you might say.

630 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:08:01am

re: #622 Ben Hur

The U.S. House Of Lords?

Come on Ben... Caroline is a mother, an advocate and a Kennedy... She's a Kennedy Democrat, a Clinton Democrat, a Schumer Democrat and an Obama Democrat...

She's everything to everyone... Just like The One...

631 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:08:13am

re: #621 pingjockey

PJ Media has no fizz!

I have a copy of December's VF but I've yet to crack the spine. Maybe I'll just toss it.

632 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:08:59am
633 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:09:34am

re: #630 tfc3rid

Come on Ben... Caroline is a mother, an advocate and a Kennedy... She's a Kennedy Democrat, a Clinton Democrat, a Schumer Democrat and an Obama Democrat...

She's everything to everyone... Just like The One...

But she's a chick.

634 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:09:36am
635 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:09:42am

re: #553 {aussiemagpie}
No, plastic - geez, doncha know anything about American "footy"?! And what the heck do you mean when you say I have the "hide"? I'm a lizard and I gots SCALES! LOL!

636 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:09:53am

re: #622 Ben Hur

The U.S. House Of Lords?

I hate to be a good-government scold, but wasn't the American experiment a rather firm renunciation of government by pedigree?

Yes, the Founders were not democrats. They believed in aristocracy. But their idea was government by natural -- not inherited -- aristocracy, an aristocracy of "virtue and talents," as Jefferson put it.

Zing!

637 Lincolntf  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:10:24am

re: #516 Miss Trixie

Hilarious.

638 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:10:37am

re: #626 ArmyWife

not fizzy? Don't make us burp? My Daddy always gave us flat soda to soothe our tummies.

My nanny did the same. That, and peppermint candy.

639 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:10:50am

Hmmm... Karma drops below # of posts. I've got to lay off the puns.

640 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:10:53am

I have to wonder who put together Bill Clinton's website? Charles Rangel's son? It's abysmally slow (even on a FiOS 20m line) and times out. I guess they're overwhelmed with everyone checking to see who contributed - and whether there are any names (beyond the ones we all expected) that should be raising red flags.

641 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:10:58am

re: #632 Ben Hur

World Bank: Russia may need help if oil falls more

No.

I think we need to give them a "bridge loan" until the ONE takes ascendancy.
Then send the UAW over to finish them off.

642 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:11:13am
643 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:11:28am

re: #564 DeafDog
"The corporate boards and senior management from the GM needs to go, too."
Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winnah here! Just add Chrysler and watch out for Ford's board as well.

644 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:11:34am

re: #597 Ben Hur

Via Debbie Schlussel:

Ironical

Anti-Semitism at Vanity Fair. (That would be LEFTIST.)


Flat sodas. ?

seriously - the biggest news is that Chuck Schumer gained THE MOST campaign money form Madoff. So - Chuck Schumer wants to re-instate the "Fairness Doctrine" (says free speech is like pornography) and not a word about all the campaign contributions he received from Madoff.

Where is the press on this?

645 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:12:00am

re: #624 realwest

"As Ayn Rand used to say, a gun is not a substitute for an argument.", just before she went down in a hail of bullets! LOL!
Seriously, I think your post is very thought provoking - what would be the tipping point?

I would think that it would be actual violence against an actual dissenter.

(Parroting the orthodox Leftist line in the Stalinist fashion, contrary to what the other side wants to believe, is not dissent.)

646 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:12:40am

Coleman just minutes away know from officially going underwater.

/watch live and PREPARE TO DRINK HEAVILY

647 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:13:45am

re: #644 FrogMarch

Flat sodas. ?

seriously - the biggest news is that Chuck Schumer gained THE MOST campaign money form Madoff. So - Chuck Schumer wants to re-instate the "Fairness Doctrine" (says free speech is like pornography) and not a word about all the campaign contributions he received from Madoff.

Where is the press on this?

Doing the Monica. So to speak...

648 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:14:31am

re: #588 lawhawk
Whoa

Let's also ignore that even when the factories are being shut down, the workers are getting paid 85% of their regular salary. That sounds to me like they're being paid not to work. It's just another manifestation of how and why the automakers are in the mess they're in. They can't improve their financial picture because they're hemorrhaging money at every turn no matter what they do. It's a structural problem that can't be fixed by throwing money at the problem.

absolutely SPOT ON POST.

649 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:14:47am

Well it's another DAMN cold morning here. Plus No power.
Yes taking a shower by candle light can really get you going in the morning. )-:

650 notutopia  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:15:06am

Good Morn All!
Bleary Dreary Yucky Mucky Muggy Weather in Piedmont, NC...Fog is so thick you can't see 1/8th mile on the roads...
I'm feeling like the weather today...under it, ...and not feeling well...thinking about tucking in under the down comforter today with a carafe of hot spiced tea next to the bed and a pick from the selection off my seems to be auto-populating, 'To Read' stack of books... that I swear, are multiplying in the corner...Glad the lil' flat buggers can't talk or eat...competing with my cats is difficult enough to get a word in edgewise...
So, I'm off to fix my cholesterol fighting bowl of oatty meal with banana...
after you eat it...your stomach feels like it's fighting something in there...

Ya'll have a great day and play safe ...No .50 calibers allowed in the Lizard lounge...
: )

651 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:15:08am

re: #648 realwest


Got your card buddy. Thanks (-:

652 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:15:14am

re: #647 The Other Les

But will anyone produce the 'stained' blue dress, as evidence, in time?

653 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:15:22am

re: #589 Ben Hur
Morning Ben - I heard last night that Wrath was banned.

654 vapig  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:15:23am

Happy Friday, Lizards!

655 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:15:59am

re: #635 realwest

No, plastic - geez, doncha know anything about American "footy"?! And what the heck do you mean when you say I have the "hide"? I'm a lizard and I gots SCALES! LOL!

OK, here's the deal, scaly one

It's called the Footy Fairness Doctrine

I demand equal time for cricket talk :-)

656 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:16:08am

And for those in the NYC metro area or are heading here today... it's now snowing in Bergen County... where we're expected to get anywhere from 3-10 inches depending on who you talk to.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we're going to get about 5 inches in the Paramus/Fair Lawn/Ridgewood area (prime shopping destination in Northern NJ). Much less as you head to the City and points south as the rain/snow line pushes up from the coast.

657 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:16:09am

re: #646 Killian Bundy

In a close race, the democrat candidate can make up over 700 votes. /Easy when you have all sorts of corrupt corruptocrats installed in the highest rankings of the MN government.

658 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:16:14am

re: #640 lawhawk

Like Ahmadinejad? Seriously, wouldn't that be hysterical?

659 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:16:26am

Oh boy, Franken just took the lead, [expletive deleted]!

/it was nice having you as my Senator Norm, good luck in your future endeavors

660 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:16:32am

Hey Everyone!

35 degrees, ice on the ground, raining (sort of).

What's not to like?

The kids are out of school again, second time this week, finals cancelled till January.

I got your Global Warming right here, fella!

661 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:16:45am

re: #639 DaddyG

Hmmm... Karma drops below # of posts. I've got to lay off the puns.

I just up-dinged you.
/don't go normal on us

662 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:09am

re: #596 pingjockey
Yeah. Once. LOL! OTOH, I watched Phil Simms out quarterback John Elway in the superbowl about a dozen times now! LOL!

663 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:11am

re: #659 Killian Bundy

So if Franken takes this, what will the backlash be? Are the locals up in arms over the corruptness going on?

664 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:19am

re: #660 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)


I'm without power. What a morning... LOL

665 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:26am

re: #653 realwest

Morning Ben - I heard last night that Wrath was banned.

Which Wrath?

666 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:34am

re: #655 aussiemagpie

OK, here's the deal, scaly one

It's called the Footy Fairness Doctrine

I demand equal time for cricket talk :-)

Fair request.
Post something about that, and then listen to

[crickets]

667 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:43am

re: #610 realwest

///Actually, the vote has already been held, & the majority of votes say global warming is real. Too bad if a lot of scientists didn't get to vote or had their votes disqualified because they voted against AGW. They should have known better.

When ever an issue is argued with the phrase "the vast majority of scientists agree..." be very suspicious. The science should stand on it's own merits: facts, data & logic.

668 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:47am

re: #659 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, Franken just took the lead, [expletive deleted]!

/it was nice having you as my Senator Norm, good luck in your future endeavors

Was there any doubt the democrats in MN would deliver Franken-Joker his seat?

669 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:52am

re: #655 aussiemagpie

Dang 'Cricket Libbers' give ya heartburn...

...pops White Smoke...

670 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:17:59am

re: #665 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Which Wrath?

This one

671 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:18:01am

re: #660 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Raining here. Guess I won't go to the barn. Soon I need to remove myself from this chair and clean my house. I don't wanna.

672 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:18:21am

Have you seen the 2009 Kim Kardashian Calendar?

WOW

673 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:18:26am

re: #664 Dustoff-507

I'm without power. What a morning... LOL

Fingers crossed here.

We lose power when the wind works up to a stiff breeze, so I was thinking we'd wake up without... but not yet.

674 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:18:30am

re: #646 Killian Bundy

Coleman just minutes away know from officially going underwater.

/watch live and PREPARE TO DRINK HEAVILY

This is unbelievable. They are literally stealing the election in front of the country's eyes. Coleman was 200+ ahead and they magically "find" all these votes- all for Franken?

675 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:18:40am

re: #659 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, Franken just took the lead, [expletive deleted]!

/it was nice having you as my Senator Norm, good luck in your future endeavors

Franken-stein is alive!

676 Lincolntf  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:18:51am

re: #646 Killian Bundy

It was Franken +2 when I looked. Makes me want to throw something.

677 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:18:57am

re: #653 realwest

Morning Ben - I heard last night that Wrath was banned.

Yes.

678 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:19:08am

re: #646 Killian Bundy

Coleman just minutes away know from officially going underwater.

/watch live and PREPARE TO DRINK HEAVILY

Wasn't the election result certified?

679 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:19:08am

Repeat post in honor of Al Franken's newfound lead...

Count around the Clock

(sung to Rock Around The Clock – apologies to Bill Haley)


One, two, three ballots, four ballots, count,
Five, six, seven ballots, eight ballots, count,
Nine, ten, eleven ballots, twelve ballots, count,
We're gonna check all of the votes tonight.

Get your ballot box and join me, hon,
We'll count some vote to see who’s won,
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, the ballot box tonight.

Colemans winning by two, three and four,
If the ballots run out we’ll get some more,
Franken found some in his trunk tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, even ballots that aren’t quite right.

If the count get’s close to being even,
We’ll be ready to steal the election.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna count, count, count, or maybe fight.
No dead are disenfranchised in our sight .

When it's eight, nine, ten, eleven too,
That ACORN block will be coming through.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
So dangle your chads and fill your holes right.
We're gonna count, gonna count, around the clock tonight.

If we get the lead, we'll seal it then,
We’ll certify that Franken win.
We're gonna count around the clock tonight,
We're gonna stuff that box, 'til broad daylight.
We're gonna count, gonna count, around the clock tonight.

680 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:19:30am

re: #670 gclaghorn

This one

Sh*t.

I won't ask what happened.

681 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:19:53am

re: #661 pre-Boomer Marine brat


M*rning!

682 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:20:02am

re: #659 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, Franken just took the lead, [expletive deleted]!

/it was nice having you as my Senator Norm, good luck in your future endeavors

Franken!

683 vapig  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:20:03am

re: #653 realwest

Morning Ben - I heard last night that Wrath was banned.

Why so? He's one of my favorite lizards and he's always so respectful.

684 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:20:09am

Morning Lizards. Spent 2 hours this morning shoveling 10 inches of global warming so I could get out of my driveway. Thankfully they are forecasting another 3-5 inches for Saturday and another batch for Tuesday.

685 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:20:11am

re: #678 tfc3rid

Wasn't the election result certified?

The Minnesota Supreme Court is in on the scam.
Lot's o'Donks there.

686 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:20:38am

re: #625 Ben Hur

Awww...now sing kumbaya!

687 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:20:43am

re: #672 Ben Hur

Blocked at my office... Damn...

688 notutopia  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:21:41am

re: #601 gclaghorn

Actually the fighting seems to be with himself...I wish he could have held his keyboard just for a few more ID/creationist postings... he was offensive and confused IMHO and projecting...lashing out last night...
Keyboard abuse of your fellow lizards and to Charles is not tolerated...
he knew that...and stilll just kept looping in ill logic and firing away the insults...
I will MISS him and his LOGICAL MIND postings...
{WRATH}

689 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:22:31am

Watching that vote count should really be a drinking thread.

Heavy drinking.

690 x-wing  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:22:32am

re: #676 Lincolntf

It was Franken +2 when I looked. Makes me want to throw something.

+8 now, make that +11

691 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:22:33am

re: #673 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yep, for what ever reason. One of our MAIN powerlines came down?
Most of my city is dark.

692 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:22:39am

re: #685 The Other Les

The Minnesota Supreme Court is in on the scam.
Lot's o'Donks there.

There has GOT to be a little more outrage over this... I mean, it's like freaking Zimbabwe... We count and count and count until we get the result we want? Are you fucking kidding me? What the hell? And we allow this to happen? Where is the outrage? There is nothing... This is why we have failed... Incredible.

693 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:22:46am

re: #615 FrogMarch
You know, a lot of folks could learn a helluva lot from NYC history - 30 years or so ago, NYC had about 14 DAILY newspapers - but the unions (pressers and typesetters) kept going on strike. Net effect, today NYC as all of what - 4 daily newspapers (NYTimes, Post, News and WSJ) and less than 20 of the union workforce. Competition played a part in that (are y'all listening Toyota, Honda, Kia et.al.?) but really the Unions did those newspapers in.

694 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:22:46am

re: #681 Ben Hur

M*rning!

H*llo!

695 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:23:11am

re: #694 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What's with the * * * ?

696 DistantThunder  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:23:19am

Everyone has to read the Romney Turn around plan for the economy. Gosh, wouldn't it be great to be welcoming in a Romney administration coming in the next 5 weeks headed by a true financial genius who understands Detroit like few others, and KNOWS how to create wealth and prosperity?

A Republican Stimulus Plan by Mitt Romney

Republicans should also lay down a gauntlet: All new spending projects should be selected by the responsible federal agency according to published criteria, not by congresspersons and senators based upon favors and politics. Republicans should commit to vote no on any stimulus bill with earmarks that have not been voted upon by their entire body.
697 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:23:19am

re: #664 Dustoff-507

I'm without power. What a morning... LOL

Woke up without power here, too. Back on now, someone must have hit a pole or something. It's 61 and sunny. lol

Two days ago it was freezing rain and 28. Getting up to 70 today, hopefully gets colder later in the week. Merry Christmas- bleah on warm weather in December. ;)

698 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:23:30am

Video: A Protest Where It Counts - Iran

The MSM and the left idolize the Iraqi shoe thrower and fail to recognize this brave soul. Two weeks ago, this Iranian student ripped Ali Larijani to his face at a speech and denounced Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

So is Code Pink out protesting in support of him?

699 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:01am

re: #688 notutopia

Actually the fighting seems to be with himself...I wish he could have held his keyboard just for a few more ID/creationist postings... he was offensive and confused IMHO and projecting...lashing out last night...
Keyboard abuse of your fellow lizards and to Charles is not tolerated...
he knew that...and stilll just kept looping in ill logic and firing away the insults...
I will MISS him and his LOGICAL MIND postings...
{WRATH}

I second that.

700 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:14am

You know it was only a matter of time before the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on slimy leftist lawyers paid off. Franken is the worst of the worst in my opinion. Of course, NOW the Dems will try to call the election final since they are in the lead. I hope that our GOP hopeful will continue to battle on...

701 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:14am

re: #692 tfc3rid

I agree. I am just floored by this.

702 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:16am

re: #672 Ben Hur

Have you seen the 2009 Kim Kardashian Calendar?

WOW

HAHA

/*whack*

703 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:25am

re: #632 Ben Hur
Make that "FUCKING NO!".

704 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:30am

re: #683 vapig

Why so? He's one of my favorite lizards and he's always so respectful.

Sorry, he wasn't respectful- he was being quite rude last night saying things like LGFers were mindless sycophants.

705 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:31am

re: #691 Dustoff-507

Yep, for what ever reason. One of our MAIN powerlines came down?
Most of my city is dark.

Any idea on when they will get it back?

706 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:38am

re: #686 WriterMom

YOU!

707 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:24:53am

Gah--need to switch laptops. I'll be back in a bit.

708 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:25:01am

re: #690 x-wing

+8 now, make that +11

It's like magic! A Christmas Miracle!

/barf

709 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:25:03am

re: #700 Amer-I-Can

You know it was only a matter of time before the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on slimy leftist lawyers paid off. Franken is the worst of the worst in my opinion. Of course, NOW the Dems will try to call the election final since they are in the lead. I hope that our GOP hopeful will continue to battle on...

It's a subversion of Democracy...

710 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:25:07am

re: #692 tfc3rid

There has GOT to be a little more outrage over this... I mean, it's like freaking Zimbabwe... We count and count and count until we get the result we want? Are you fucking kidding me? What the hell? And we allow this to happen? Where is the outrage? There is nothing... This is why we have failed... Incredible.

Some people are slow learners.
The state originally brought us Jesse Ventura.
This new selection, though, has more "national" impact.

711 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:25:20am

re: #666 jwb7605

Fair request.
Post something about that, and then listen to

[crickets]

I'm contacting Cair (Cricket Always Is Right) and reporting you for discrimination :-)

712 nyc redneck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:26:07am

re: #674 gop_patriot

This is unbelievable. They are literally stealing the election in front of the country's eyes. Coleman was 200+ ahead and they magically "find" all these votes- all for Franken?

here's hoping that coleman doesn't now just behave like a polite little republican and shake that assh*le's hand and congratulate him on a well run campaign.
franken is a fcking beast. this is a travesty.
he is not fit to be anywhere except at the end of a chain, barking, in a junk yard.

713 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:26:35am

re: #708 gop_patriot

It's like magic! A Christmas Miracle!

/barf

Golly, it just warms my heart!

/no, wait, the feeling passed

714 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:26:48am

re: #695 WriterMom

What's with the * * * ?

Heh. It's teasing, back and forth. Last night, Ben was a refugee from the ID thread. Came back to the prior thread. Walked in and said "Hello". Several Lizards immediately hyperventilated on it. *gasp* How could he SAY such a thing?! et cetera

715 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:26:51am

re: #697 gop_patriot

61 deg's... I would kill for that! LOL

716 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:26:54am

re: #669 Pietr

Dang 'Cricket Libbers' give ya heartburn...

...pops White Smoke...

LOL! Just standing up for a minority (about 3 of us here on LGF) :-)

717 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:27:21am

re: #710 jwb7605

Some people are slow learners.
The state originally brought us Jesse Ventura.
This new selection, though, has more "national" impact.

I would say it's embarrasing. I will be embarrassed if Kennedy is picked here in my state. I am embarrassed of Chucky Schumer and Mike Bloomberg... But to have a no talent hack who IS a commie and a loon to win an election against a moderate Republican because they kept counting until he had a lead is a complete subversion of election 'ethics'. It is no less than an electoral coup.

718 vapig  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:27:33am

re: #704 Sharmuta

Sorry, he wasn't respectful- he was being quite rude last night saying things like LGFers were mindless sycophants.

Really? That doesn't sound like him. I'm very sorry to hear this.

719 Lincolntf  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:27:40am

re: #692 tfc3rid

The Third Worlding of America continues apace. It's a travesty and nobody will say what is plainly true: There are hundreds of people in Minnesota (counters, "voters", checkers, politicians, Judges) who have acted to perpetrate this fraud. Minnesotans of good faith should demand a reckoning.

720 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:27:41am

re: #705 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)


Got me, I drove by it and their must of been 15 PUD trucks out there.
Were talking huge power lines.

721 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:27:55am

re: #709 tfc3rid

It's a subversion of Democracy...

And if he wins, Franken will be all over the press and we will have to listen to his sniveling, whiny ass for quite a while. The press will call on him as an "expert" for everything from Global Warming to snotty noses. My stomach is queezy over this deal...

722 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:27:59am

It's a write-in

No, it's an identifying mark!

No, it's a motto!

/Bejesus! It's a reject regardless, idiots!

723 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:28:18am

re: #714 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh. It's teasing, back and forth. Last night, Ben was a refugee from the ID thread. Came back to the prior thread. Walked in and said "Hello". Several Lizards immediately hyperventilated on it. *gasp* How could he SAY such a thing?! et cetera

Yeah, well, it wasn't that he just said "Hello".
It was the tone of his keyboard.
And the look of his monitor.

724 nyc redneck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:28:27am

re: #692 tfc3rid

There has GOT to be a little more outrage over this... I mean, it's like freaking Zimbabwe... We count and count and count until we get the result we want? Are you fucking kidding me? What the hell? And we allow this to happen? Where is the outrage? There is nothing... This is why we have failed... Incredible.

you are exactly right. we have gone 3rd world in this election process.
allowing franken to cheat and scheme. he is a thief. this is precisely what mugabe did. he lost. and then he kept counting.

725 yochanan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:28:34am

re: #698 Kenneth

Video: A Protest Where It Counts - Iran


So is Code Pink out protesting in support of him?

code pinko would be there putting the noose around his neck or turning the key on the crain to hang him mumzarium

726 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:28:47am

re: #720 Dustoff-507

Got me, I drove by it and their must of been 15 PUD trucks out there.
Were talking huge power lines.

Got your lawn chair and popcorn? Make a tailgate out of it.

727 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:28:52am

re: #704 Sharmuta

Sorry, he wasn't respectful- he was being quite rude last night saying things like LGFers were mindless sycophants.

Didn't someone mention that he'd been cranky/unusual for the past week or so?

728 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:28:54am

re: #722 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It's a write-in

No, it's an identifying mark!

No, it's a motto!

/Bejesus! It's a reject regardless, idiots!

"A write-in for God? That goes to Franken!"

Geez!

729 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:29:20am

Good Morning Lizards! It's not as horrible as predicted in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this morning. The snow that did fall is frozen, so the dogs walked on top of it when they did their sniffing.

oh, and the mosquito index is low.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

730 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:29:24am

re: #710 jwb7605

Good morning.
Is the after mess deck still serving? I'm hungry.

731 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:29:32am

re: #721 Amer-I-Can

And if he wins, Franken will be all over the press and we will have to listen to his sniveling, whiny ass for quite a while. The press will call on him as an "expert" for everything from Global Warming to snotty noses. My stomach is queezy over this deal...

He's an expert on Luvs.

732 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:29:53am

re: #642 Ben Hur
And the Dems Leftists are still punishing us for that!

733 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:29:57am

re: #731 MandyManners

He's an expert on Luvs.

MY EYES!

734 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:05am

re: #692 tfc3rid

There has GOT to be a little more outrage over this... I mean, it's like freaking Zimbabwe... We count and count and count until we get the result we want? Are you fucking kidding me? What the hell? And we allow this to happen? Where is the outrage? There is nothing... This is why we have failed... Incredible.

I'm sorry to say that's its a bit too cold for a proper riot up here.

Not that I'm advocating it...

735 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:09am

re: #724 nyc redneck

you are exactly right. we have gone 3rd world in this election process.
allowing franken to cheat and scheme. he is a thief. this is precisely what mugabe did. he lost. and then he kept counting.

And what can be done about it? Nothing. Just be happy that the Political Establishment lets you have even a token minority of Republican seats, because they can rob as many elections as they want.

736 x-wing  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:17am

re: #708 gop_patriot

It's like magic! A Christmas Miracle!

/barf

This just aint right. If they have to dicker this much(at all for that matter) over a ballot,it needs to be thrown out.

Minn. is turning into a banana republic

737 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:24am

Think it's going to be easy for Obama to close Gitmo? Think again

The trouble is that Guantanamo fills a useful purpose. When the United States started scooping up terrorists and jihadists from foreign fields after Sept. 11, 2001, it faced a conundrum. Treating them as ordinary prisoners of war was not on. To begin with, they weren't. They wore no uniform and usually fought for no country. PoW status would have prevented their captors from interrogating them, robbing Washington of potentially life-saving information about terrorist networks and future attacks.

My guess is Obama will rename it "Camp Happy Unicorn" and carry on as before. Nothing will change, because there is no acceptable alternative.

738 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:34am

re: #731 MandyManners

He's an expert on Luvs.

Look! He has his big-boy pants!

739 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:34am

re: #704 Sharmuta

Sorry, he wasn't respectful- he was being quite rude last night saying things like LGFers were mindless sycophants.

I just saw that post. Wow. So apparently if Charles suddenly switched over to Creationism, "80%" of us would immediately declare our support for it. Quite astonishing!

It was also interesting how Wrath implied that it's somehow inappropriate for Charles to voice his own opinion on his own frickkin' blog.

740 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:37am

re: #723 jwb7605

Yeah, well, it wasn't that he just said "Hello".
It was the tone of his keyboard.
And the look of his monitor.

Now don't go giving him the old "hardware malfunction" excuse!

741 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:38am

re: #710 jwb7605

Some people are slow learners.
The state originally brought us Jesse Ventura.
This new selection, though, has more "national" impact.

My vote for Saxby Chambliss is looking even more valuable today in light of the Frankencoup.

This is a travesty. It is a real sign of the times when Richard Nixon can be held up as an example of graciousness and fair play in elections.

742 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:39am

Writermom,

What's with the * * * ?

*** *** *** *** **.

743 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:51am

re: #731 MandyManners

He's an expert on Luvs.

LOL, that image is priceless!

744 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:30:59am

re: #646 Killian Bundy
You don't think Coleman will go to court over this?

745 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:31:01am

re: #706 Ben Hur

Dude!

746 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:31:15am

re: #730 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good morning.
Is the after mess deck still serving? I'm hungry.

Good morning!
Yup ... all the powdered eggs and sterilized milk you can handle.
Coffee was made fresh about 0130 hrs, too.

747 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:31:26am

re: #726 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)


Not at 21 deg's outside. Poor guys I just know their hand are frozen.

748 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:32:05am

re: #651 Dustoff-507
Morning Dustoff - like that cold shower, didja?

749 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:32:08am

re: #731 MandyManners

He's an expert on Luvs.

OH MY GOSH. And people voted for this for a position in government?

That sound you just heard was the Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves.

/you KNOW if they were around, they'd take him out back and kick his ridiculous behind for even *thinking* he was fit for public office

750 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:32:12am

re: #743 Amer-I-Can

LOL, that image is priceless!

Was it for an SNL skit?

751 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:32:14am

re: #727 MandyManners

Didn't someone mention that he'd been cranky/unusual for the past week or so?

NY Nana did. She was pretty accurate in her pst I thought.

752 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:32:36am

re: #730 pre-Boomer Marine brat


I'm So hungry. Our Cafe is closed because of the snow. )-:

753 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:32:48am

re: #749 gop_patriot

OH MY GOSH. And people voted for this for a position in government?

That sound you just heard was the Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves.

/you KNOW if they were around, they'd take him out back and kick his ridiculous behind for even *thinking* he was fit for public office

Well, he was a comic at the time.

754 Macker  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:32:50am

Good Morning Lizards!

THE 12 DAYS OF GLOBAL WARMING

So much for Beer in a Tree, eh.

755 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:05am

re: #737 Kenneth

He isn't closing it.

He's not going to do half the crap he claimed during the conception.

I'm sure he shat himself during his first security briefing.

756 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:15am

Okay, I'm back. What did I miss?

757 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:15am

re: #751 Sharmuta

NY Nana did. She was pretty accurate in her pst I thought.

She gave him a good tongue-lashing.

758 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:20am

re: #750 MandyManners

Was it for an SNL skit?

Probably. I don't watch SNL since the departure of the original cast. Too much drivel for my liking.

759 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:29am

re: #756 vxbush

Okay, I'm back. What did I miss?

Image: al_franken_bunny_web.jpg

760 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:36am

re: #754 Macker

Good Morning Lizards!

THE 12 DAYS OF GLOBAL WARMING

So much for Beer in a Tree, eh.

I love that video! Posted it a few days ago.

761 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:36am

re: #731 MandyManners

I was going to make some toast for breakfast, but now - nevermind.

762 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:39am

re: #722 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It's a write-in

No, it's an identifying mark!

No, it's a motto!

/Bejesus! It's a reject regardless, idiots!

The whole idea of trying to "discern a voter's intent" on a spoiled ballot is an absolute joke. With voting rights come voting responsibilities, and those responsibilities are quite minimal; indicate a clear preference on your ballot during the legally-allotted ballotting period. The "discern intent" idiocy really treats the voters as infants; "he made some sort of gurgle... does it mean 'I'm tired' or 'burp me' or 'one vote for Franken'?"

763 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:44am

re: #742 Dirk Diggler

Ahhh! All is clear to me now.

;)

764 vapig  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:51am

re: #727 MandyManners

Didn't someone mention that he'd been cranky/unusual for the past week or so?

You just plucked the thought right out of my head. I was just wondering if there was some outside influence contributing to his "crankiness." It is just so out of character for him to be rude. I've seen him under attack more than once and he's always demonstrated grace under fire.

765 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:52am

I'm watching an American Senatorial election get stolen on a live feed.

/My body is in shock, my jaw is on the floor. I cannot believe what I'm watching.

766 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:33:59am

OR,

I just saw that post. Wow. So apparently if Charles suddenly switched over to Creationism, "80%" of us would immediately declare our support for it.

If that were the case, I would support Creationism. I tend to go with the flow.

/

767 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:34:03am

re: #746 jwb7605

Good morning!
Yup ... all the powdered eggs and sterilized milk you can handle.
Coffee was made fresh about 0130 hrs, too.

Oh great!
The coffee can walk right up here to the shop!
Saves me the trip.

768 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:34:08am

re: #739 Occasional Reader


That's why I just leave when this talk comes up. Not worth it.

769 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:34:22am

re: #739 Occasional Reader

I just saw that post. Wow. So apparently if Charles suddenly switched over to Creationism, "80%" of us would immediately declare our support for it. Quite astonishing!

It was also interesting how Wrath implied that it's somehow inappropriate for Charles to voice his own opinion on his own frickkin' blog.

If that's not insulting, I'm not sure what is.

Oh- and pass the kool-aid.

770 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:34:22am

re: #659 Killian Bundy
Wonder if there's anyway we can make Minnesota secede from the Union?
I'm overwhelmingly embarrassed that an asshole like Franken could be elected a United States Senator.

771 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:34:24am

re: #758 Amer-I-Can

Probably. I don't watch SNL since the departure of the original cast. Too much drivel for my liking.

IIRC, he was with SNL a long time ago.

772 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:35:00am

re: #761 ArmyWife

I was going to make some toast for breakfast, but now - nevermind.

Got pablum?

773 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:35:14am

re: #748 realwest


My waterheater is gas so the shower was warm. Just had a hard time shaving.. 0-:

774 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:35:19am

re: #719 Lincolntf

The Third Worlding of America continues apace. It's a travesty and nobody will say what is plainly true: There are hundreds of people in Minnesota (counters, "voters", checkers, politicians, Judges) who have acted to perpetrate this fraud. Minnesotans of good faith should demand a reckoning.

The Democrats are in the process of degenerating into a Third-World Ruling Party. It's only a matter of time before we see them convert the Federal government into a full blown Third-World kleptocracy.

775 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:35:30am

re: #765 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm watching an American Senatorial election get stolen on a live feed.

/My body is in shock, my jaw is on the floor. I cannot believe what I'm watching.

Do you have a link?

776 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:35:38am

re: #755 Ben Hur

He isn't closing it.

He's not going to do half the crap he claimed during the conception.

I'm sure he shat himself during his first security briefing.

Obama was conceived? I thought he sprang, fully formed, from the head of Zeus.

777 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:35:54am

re: #731 MandyManners

He's an expert on Luvs.

They should put that on every billboard in Minnesota.

778 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:03am

re: #764 vapig

You just plucked the thought right out of my head. I was just wondering if there was some outside influence contributing to his "crankiness." It is just so out of character for him to be rude. I've seen him under attack more than once and he's always demonstrated grace under fire.

He confused me and Sharmuta at one point but he gracefully apologized.

779 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:05am

Hi Lizard Nation!

Its 'Black Friday' here in the UK today.

Not because of the economy, but because of all the office Christmas Parties. The whole population between 18 and 40 will be dead drunk by midnight, and the police and ambulance services everywhere are preparing for that.
There'll be tents with paramedics to detoxify all the drunks ...

If it was me in control, I'd let them suffer the consequences wherever they happen to fall over, but then I'm not very compassionate in regards to self-inflicted damage ...

780 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:15am

re: #751 Sharmuta

NY Nana did. She was pretty accurate in her pst I thought.

After a snarky comment or three, then this, I sensed that it was going to be a dark and stormy night.

781 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:19am

Obama chooses Adm. Blair as intel chief

Obama has chosen retired Navy Adm. Dennis Blair as the top U.S. intelligence official and could make an announcement as early as Friday, a source familiar with the nomination said on Thursday.

As director of national intelligence, Blair would oversee the entire U.S. intelligence apparatus and be responsible for delivering Obama's daily intelligence briefing.

Blair, a four-star admiral and former top U.S. military commander in the Pacific region, has for some time been considered the front runner for the intelligence job. Blair's nomination would keep an experienced military leader in the post, and he has a reputation as a smart thinker.

Opinions on this guy?

782 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:33am

re: #750 MandyManners

Was it for an SNL skit?

No, that's how he goes to bed every night.

783 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:38am

re: #744 realwest

You don't think Coleman will go to court over this?

Oh he'll go to court alright.

/but he'll be the one behind by hundreds of votes

784 notutopia  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:50am

re: #683 vapig
He truly forgot his mutual tolerance and respect for himself and for ALL his fellow lizards last night.

785 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:55am

re: #769 Sharmuta

If that's not insulting, I'm not sure what is.

Oh- and pass the kool-aid.

My eyebrows about crawled up into my hairline reading those posts.

786 cathypop  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:36:57am

re: #649 Dustoff-507

Well it's another DAMN cold morning here. Plus No power.
Yes taking a shower by candle light can really get you going in the morning. )-:


That just does not sound very romantic

787 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:37:02am

re: #775 VegasRick

Do you have a link?

here

788 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:37:14am

re: #683 vapig
Don't know, wasn't there - just "heard" it out here.

789 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:37:21am

re: #777 Alouette

They should put that on every billboard in Minnesota.

Too late.

790 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:37:43am

re: #736 x-wing

This just aint right. If they have to dicker this much(at all for that matter) over a ballot,it needs to be thrown out.

Minn. is turning into a banana republic

When I was in the Army I called it the Soviet Socialist Republic of Minnesota.

791 UFO TOFU  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:37:43am

re: #762 Occasional Reader

Damn, Or; I don't want to encourage the haughty and prideful thing, but that was good.

792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:37:50am

They just accepted a ballot from the PRIMARY.

/I'm going to be sick.

793 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:16am

re: #735 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And what can be done about it? Nothing. Just be happy that the Political Establishment lets you have even a token minority of Republican seats, because they can rob as many elections as they want.

A Franken victory here will prove that any election can be stolen by the Donks and their minions...

794 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:17am

re: #779 yma o hyd

Hi Lizard Nation!

Its 'Black Friday' here in the UK today.

Not because of the economy, but because of all the office Christmas Parties. The whole population between 18 and 40 will be dead drunk by midnight, and the police and ambulance services everywhere are preparing for that.
There'll be tents with paramedics to detoxify all the drunks ...

If it was me in control, I'd let them suffer the consequences wherever they happen to fall over, but then I'm not very compassionate in regards to self-inflicted damage ...

Couldn't some of those consequences be folks killed by drunk drivers?

795 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:18am

re: #776 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Obama was conceived? I thought he sprang, fully formed, from the head of Zeus.

Creationist!

796 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:22am

re: #787 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

here

Thanks, I think. This is something though.

797 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:22am

re: #776 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Obama was conceived? I thought he sprang, fully formed, from the head of Zeus.

*WHACK*
Athena was my favorite back when I was reading mythology.
Do NOT commit that sacrilege again!

798 x-wing  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:32am

re: #756 vxbush

Okay, I'm back. What did I miss?


Franken up +24

799 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:49am

re: #753 MandyManners

Well, he was a comic at the time.

I know. But damn.

If he was a Republican, this would have been the picture they used every time they spoke of him on the news, in the papers, etc. He would have been mocked mercilessly.

/And I still think the FF would kick his ass. ;)

800 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:49am

re: #782 Alouette

No, that's how he goes to bed every night.

He likes his bunny!

801 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:38:49am

re: #779 yma o hyd

Hi Lizard Nation!

Its 'Black Friday' here in the UK today.

Not because of the economy, but because of all the office Christmas Parties. The whole population between 18 and 40 will be dead drunk by midnight, and the police and ambulance services everywhere are preparing for that.
There'll be tents with paramedics to detoxify all the drunks ...

And this is different from most weekends in the UK?

802 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:39:12am

re: #770 realwest

Not to worry buddy. Franken will make such a fool of himself in two years.

803 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:39:14am

This is not looking good...

Pakistan airs grievances with India

PAKISTAN summoned an Indian envoy to complain formally about violations of its airspace over the weekend - an about-face after playing down the alleged breaches by Indian aircraft as not deliberate.

The move came after cricket became the first diplomatic casualty of the tension between Islamabad and New Delhi when India cancelled next month's tour of Pakistan.

Indian deputy ambassador Manpreet Vohra said he would pass along the complaint but added: "Our Government, after holding an inquiry, has already said that there was no airspace violation from our side, and I reiterated this stance."

India alleges a Pakistan-based Islamic group, Lashkar-e-Toiba, sponsored the attacks on hotels, a train station and markets in Mumbai last month and has demanded that Islamabad move against the militants.

Pakistan has arrested some suspects and clamped down on a charity, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, purportedly linked to the previously outlawed LET.

But officials say that to do more, they need evidence of the group's complicity - a demand India says it cannot fulfil until the investigation is over.

Amid the ill feelings, cricket became the victim. The Board of Control for Cricket in India called the tour "not feasible in the prevailing circumstances".

Recently retired Indian cricket captain Anil Kumble said yesterday it was a good decision.

"We had known that we won't be travelling to Pakistan under the present situation," he was quoted as saying by the Press Trust of India agency.

But Pakistanis were unhappy at the move.

"It's a big disappointment and a setback to Asian cricket," former player Sarfraz Nawaz said in Islamabad. "The terrorism acts could happen anywhere in the world, but that does not mean that sports activities should come to a halt."

In the decades since gaining independence from Britain in 1947, Pakistan and India have fought three wars and teetered on the brink several more times. Yet cricket is a national obsession for both countries and has helped thaw tensions.

When cricket is affected, things are getting very serious indeed...

804 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:39:49am

re: #779 yma o hyd

The whole population between 18 and 40 will be dead drunk by midnight

I thought Americans had a problem with binge drinking, until I lived in the UK.

(Well, actually both our countries have the problem. We could both take a lesson from the Mediterraneans.)

805 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:39:56am

re: #799 gop_patriot

I know. But damn.

If he was a Republican, this would have been the picture they used every time they spoke of him on the news, in the papers, etc. He would have been mocked mercilessly.

/And I still think the FF would kick his ass. ;)

FF?

806 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:40:10am

First of all-this blog has an owner and he decides who is in or out. PERIOD.

Having said that, I think it totally sucks to talk about people who have been banned. First of all, they have no way of defending themselves here in this forum. Second of all, it's pretty boring and tired and makes the people talking about it look even more petty and vile than the people they accuse of rudeness in abentia. Just as people shouldn't waste space here trying to pick fights, or whining about how boring or insulting they find a topic-I think it's also a good idea not to waste space talking about people who have been banned.

807 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:40:20am

re: #800 MandyManners

He likes his bunny!

He LUVS his bunny.

808 nyc redneck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:40:29am

re: #735 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And what can be done about it? Nothing. Just be happy that the Political Establishment lets you have even a token minority of Republican seats, because they can rob as many elections as they want.

coleman can fight this flagrant abuse of the election process in court.
and he has a duty to do it. rolling over and accepting this kind of strong- arm b.s. from the dems is unacceptable. why let them set a precedent for how to steal elections? ? ?

809 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:40:30am
810 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:40:36am

re: #797 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Athena was my favorite back when I was reading mythology.

She was a little butch for my tastes. More of an Aphrodite/Venus man, myself.

811 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:40:45am

re: #803 aussiemagpie

This is not looking good...

Pakistan airs grievances with India

When cricket is affected, things are getting very serious indeed...

Well, Festivus begins with The Airing of Grievances.

812 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:41:06am

Okay. I could have done without that shot of Franken. Aiyee.

813 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:41:28am

re: #754 Macker

Good Morning Lizards!

THE 12 DAYS OF GLOBAL WARMING

So much for Beer in a Tree, eh.

LOL! Thanks for the link!

814 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:41:45am

re: #779 yma o hyd
There'll be tents with paramedics to detoxify all the drunks

Ahhh as a medic myself. That's kind of hard. Granted we can give you and IV... but when your drunk, your drunk. LOL

815 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:41:50am

re: #810 Occasional Reader

Not into Uranus?

816 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:41:51am

re: #785 MandyManners

My eyebrows about crawled up into my hairline reading those posts.

Did your eyebrows get permission from Charles first before they did that? ;)

817 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:42:16am

re: #736 x-wing
"Minn. is turning into a banana republic" There, fixed that for you.
Freakin' Al Franken - in a true democracy he wouldn't even have come close.

818 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:42:19am

re: #644 FrogMarch

Flat sodas. ?

seriously - the biggest news is that Chuck Schumer gained THE MOST campaign money form Madoff. So - Chuck Schumer wants to re-instate the "Fairness Doctrine" (says free speech is like pornography) and not a word about all the campaign contributions he received from Madoff.

Where is the press on this?


The press?
What is that?

///

819 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:42:58am

re: #792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)


Jezzz lawsuit time.. all the way to the Supreme.

820 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:43:14am

re: #809 buzzsawmonkey

More to the point, we also have a post-literate public that does not read compulsively, as it used to. It looks at pictures, on TV, on the Web, on its cell phones and gameboys. Print makes its head hurt; most have never learned to read particularly well--listen to the people around you; read their business letters, etc.; these are not literate people. They don't like having to struggle through print when they can be hypnotized and anodized by quick-cut pictorial blips.

Up-dinged for this!

821 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:43:39am

Morning

I have a programming task for Kaiser, so I may only be monitoring off and on for a bit.

Id Bush give me my money for a new car? I heard he had given out some money this morning. Actually I heard that he gave away more than what was asked for.

A Christmas bonus?

822 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:43:51am

re: #805 MandyManners

FF?

The Fantastic Four?

823 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:43:51am

WhoTF is bankrolling Franken?

824 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:44:06am

re: #806 WriterMom

Having said that, I think it totally sucks to talk about people who have been banned.

What about Athena? Is it okay if I make fun of Athena?

Look, I missed that thread, and am offering my opinion on a couple of Wrath's posts. He put them out in the blogosphere, he shouldn't be terribly surprised if people comment on them (again, that responsibility theme).

Personally, if this were my blog I would not have banned Wrath, but it's not my blog.

825 vapig  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:44:12am

Well, I'm sorry to hear about both Wrath and the fraud in Minnesota. Seems the world is a gloomy day today and not just in my backyard.

I think I'll sign off for now and try to make it to the bank before the heavens really let loose.

See you in a bit, Lizard Buddies!

826 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:44:17am

Al Franken.

Senator Al Franken.

Senator Franken.

Senator Smalley.

Senator Dickhead.

Dickhead.

/Trying to get my arms around this

827 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:44:18am

re: #727 MandyManners

He, Pluume, and others took a beating in the Cop/bicyclist thread- defending Davesax the night b4, IIRC. So he probably came into the thread with a head of steam already built up-and the boiler exploded.

It would probably have been better for him to take some time, b4 jumping back into the deep end of the pool...

828 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:44:28am

Gotta' reboot. bbiab

829 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:44:31am

re: #792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They just accepted a ballot from the PRIMARY.

/I'm going to be sick.

Franken was down by over 200, now he's UP by 30+. It is so ridiculous.

WHERE did they find all these votes all of a sudden?

/"Hey, look! More votes!"
"Where'd you get them?"
"I Found them in a basket on the front porch along with a little note that they should be taken care of..."

830 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:44:42am

re: #811 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well, Festivus begins with The Airing of Grievances.

Heh.

Let's hope that Pak and India don't get to the "feats of strength" stage... that could get ugly.

831 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:44:51am

re: #810 Occasional Reader

She was a little butch for my tastes. More of an Aphrodite/Venus man, myself.

I always liked the Hindu goddesses. Those extra arms could be fun!

832 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:45:10am

re: #815 WriterMom

Not into Uranus?

Not on the first date, certainly.

833 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:45:16am

re: #755 Ben Hur

What are the alternatives to Gitmo?

1. Deport them to their home countries.

But some countries don't want them back and other countries are sure to torture them. So that's out.


2. Try them in regular law courts.

But the evidence against them will be inadmissible and the "defendants" will be acquitted & released. So that's out.


3. Execute them.

Civil liberties groups and human rights organizations go bizerk. Congress will block it. So that's out.

There is no alternative to Gitmo.

I have one alternative and rather innovative solution: return them to the "battlefield" in say, Afghanistan. Give them very small guns. Declare them actively hostile armed insurgents. Then drop a big bomb on them.

834 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:45:28am

re: #824 Occasional Reader

I'm not saying not to mention it, like 'oh what happened', or even refer people to specific comments and give them the link. But trying to psychoanalyze why he was cranky and stuff like that is silly in my opinion.

835 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:45:34am

re: #792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They just accepted a ballot from the PRIMARY.

/I'm going to be sick.

I just woke up an hour ago and I'm already drinking.

/special occasion for putting on a stupor after watching this train wreck for all four days

836 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:45:52am

re: #819 Dustoff-507

Jezzz lawsuit time.. all the way to the Supreme.

This is a fucking joke. A very bad fucking joke.

837 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:45:59am

re: #832 Occasional Reader

Your such a moderate!

838 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:46:00am

re: #805 MandyManners

FF?

Sorry, Founding Fathers.

839 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:46:16am

re: #831 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I always liked the Hindu goddesses. Those extra arms could be fun!

Good point. She could get a few of those arms involved in helping out making with the hey-hey!, while the rest made you a sandwich.

840 cathypop  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:46:45am

re: #833 Kenneth

What are the alternatives to Gitmo?

1. Deport them to their home countries.

There is no alternative to Gitmo.

I have one alternative and rather innovative solution: return them to the "battlefield" in say, Afghanistan. Give them very small guns. Declare them actively hostile armed insurgents. Then drop a big bomb on them.

Very good idea.

841 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:46:52am

re: #839 Occasional Reader

[WHACK]

842 gregg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:47:05am

If Franken wins, I expect a big push to have MN license plates changed from "10,000 Lakes" to "Land of Franken".

843 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:47:23am

re: #835 Killian Bundy

I just woke up an hour ago and I'm already drinking.

/special occasion for putting on a stupor after watching this train wreck for all four days

I don't know how you could take this BS for four days..

844 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:47:23am

re: #789 MandyManners

Too late.

With the caption MINNESOTA IS THE FREAKING LOOSER

845 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:47:25am

re: #836 VegasRick

Very true. )-:

846 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:47:25am

re: #696 DistantThunder

Everyone has to read the Romney Turn around plan for the economy. Gosh, wouldn't it be great to be welcoming in a Romney administration coming in the next 5 weeks headed by a true financial genius who understands Detroit like few others, and KNOWS how to create wealth and prosperity?

A Republican Stimulus Plan by Mitt Romney

How did we end up with McCain? Rudy and Romney understand economics. Now we have a government run by self-obsessed pay-to-play socialists who don't understand how to create prosperity.
They only know how to re-distribute it.

847 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:47:48am

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

"The White House announced a $17.4 billion rescue package for the troubled Detroit auto makers that allows them to avoid bankruptcy and leaves many of the big decisions for the incoming Obama administration."

GB giving up on free market principles.

Al Franken stealing election.

Juan McLame turning his back on his VP pick, who was the only true conservative in the whole bunch.

We are being had spectacularly by all fronts and to be honest there is every day less and less hope.

And the Zero hasn't even *gotten*started*yet.

Yes call me the troll then. Call me the moron.

This has gotten beyond crazy. I truly am afraid for the future.

848 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:47:51am

re: #802 Dustoff-507
He'll be a United States Senator for God's sake. What a friggin' joke Minnesota is.

849 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:47:54am

re: #802 Dustoff-507

Franken will make such a fool of himself in two years.

/except U.S. Senator is a six year term

850 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:48:27am

Ugh... Debit card has $270 of pending transactions not from me... Cancelled my account... ING re-sending new card/new account number...

Pain the ass...

851 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:48:32am

re: #847 Harry Tuttle

I feel like I'm living in a chapter of Atlas Shrugged.

852 nyc redneck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:48:39am

re: #793 tfc3rid

A Franken victory here will prove that any election can be stolen by the Donks and their minions...

the message to republicans is why waste your time even running.
even if you win, we will steal it.

853 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:49:03am
854 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:49:36am

re: #842 gregg

If Franken wins, I expect a big push to have MN license plates changed from "10,000 Lakes" to "Land of Franken".

Change it from "Land of 10,000 lakes" to "What a bunch of assholes".

855 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:49:51am

re: #802 Dustoff-507

Not to worry buddy. Franken will make such a fool of himself in two years.

re: #849 Killian Bundy

/except U.S. Senator is a six year term

I agree with Dustoff.
Minnesotans will have 4 years to review the error of their ways.

856 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:49:57am

re: #829 gop_patriot

Franken was down by over 200, now he's UP by 30+. It is so ridiculous.

WHERE did they find all these votes all of a sudden?

/these are all part of the 900 votes that Coleman challenged, statistically he'll lose most of them

857 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:50:11am

re: #822 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The Fantastic Four?

LOL Founding Fathers. I'd mentioned it in my previous post and just didn't spell it out the second time. Just being lazy. ;)

858 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:50:20am

re: #806 WriterMom
GREAT COMMENT!
Wish I could give you a hundred updings for that.
Might be instructive to see who did and didn't give you up-dings on that comment.

859 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:50:31am

re: #854 VegasRick

Change it from "Land of 10,000 lakes" to "What a bunch of assholes".

Reminded me of another Coulter column: Land of 10,000 Fakes

860 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:50:44am

So let me see, there are four catagories ballots go into:

1) Designate Franken

2) Designate Undervote

3) Designate Overvote

4) Designate Other

/shouldn't there be a "Designate Coleman" in there someplace?

861 yochanan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:50:55am

re: #770 realwest

realwest now you know how i must feel living in chicagostan, crook county

862 ArmyWife  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:51:11am

re: #792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wow. The stuff they are moving for Franken is incredible. Are they seeing the same thing I am?

863 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:51:23am

re: #848 realwest

He'll be a United States Senator for God's sake. What a friggin' joke Minnesota is.

From what I've seen of Minnesota politics, having Norm Coleman as a Senator was an exceptional case of sobriety, bookended by the usual socialist shtick.

864 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:51:37am
865 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:51:37am

re: #850 tfc3rid

Ugh... Debit card has $270 of pending transactions not from me

Hey, I got a robo-call informing me that, due to suspicious activity my card has been suspended. Of course, I've never heard of the alleged card issuer. But I'm supposed to call "security" right away, and, doubtless, provide them with my card number, full name and security code. Nice try, losers.

866 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:51:50am

re: #794 MandyManners

Couldn't some of those consequences be folks killed by drunk drivers?

Nope.
They all know better than to drive into town for those drunk-feasts.
No car parking, for starters, and police down on drivers like so many tons of bricks.
Its a city-centre thing anyway, not a wide-spread blanket of drunkenness.
Thats why the have those tents and stuff ...

867 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:51:57am

re: #861 yochanan

realwest now you know how i must feel living in chicagostan, crook county

Also home to Obama, of the DaleyKos

868 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:52:16am

re: #862 ArmyWife

Wow. The stuff they are moving for Franken is incredible. Are they seeing the same thing I am?

No, they seem to have a script that has been pounded into them by repetition.

They can't be thinking any more.

/Fitting right in with the Dem Party Plan.

869 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:52:29am

National Geographic TV Takes Aim At Your Guns

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone:[no phone numbers allowed] / FAX:[no phone numbers allowed]
[Link: www.gunowners.org...]

Wednesday, December 17, 2008


National Geographic Channel ran a show last night entitled, "Gun In
America." According to the program, there are millions of misguided
gun owners across the nation. Why? Because your guns are supposedly
more likely to harm you than to help you in an emergency.

"As a society, we're totally out of control with weapons," said one
Philadelphia cop who was interviewed during the show. "You need to
limit access that people have to these type of firearms."

That was the basic thrust of the program. National Geographic
recited the usual worn-out factoids that are peddled by the Brady
Campaign. It only cited anti-gun cops. And for every person who was
filmed stating he or she believed in a right to own firearms for
self-defense, the program would cite "facts" to prove that such a
hope was misplaced.

Gun owners should let the President and CEO of National Geographic
know that the channel should stick to showing pictures of kangaroos
and foliage -- images that we normally attribute to National
Geographic's magazine -- and keep his personal, anti-gun views to his
private conversations around the Christmas dinner table.

The National Geographic Channel presents itself as an educational,
unbiased alternative. But "Guns in America" was hardly unbiased, as
can be seen by the following agenda items that were pushed during the
program:

1. "Guns in America" would have you believe that the guns in your
home are 22 times more likely to kill a family member than to protect
you. This statistic can (surprise, surprise!) be found on the Brady
Campaign website, but its source has been highly discredited. The
factoid originates with Arthur Kellerman, who has generated multiple
studies claiming that guns are a net liability.(1) But Kellerman has
been found guilty of fudging his data, and even the National Academy
of Sciences has stated that his "conclusions do not seem to follow"
from his data.(2)

The truth of the matter is actually quite encouraging for gun owners.
Anti-gun researchers for the Clinton Justice Department found that
guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense, which
means that each year, firearms are used more than 50 times more often
to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.(3)

Isn't that strange? You would think anti-gunners wouldn't mind
citing a study that was commissioned by the Clinton Justice
Department! Apparently, the results of the study didn't fit their
agenda.

2. "Guns in America" overstates the number of children who die by
unintentional gunfire. The program would have viewers believe that a
child dies by accidental gunfire, once every two days. But you can
only reach that figure if you count violent-prone teens as
"children."

In fact, when you look at the statistics involving younger children
(ages 0-14), you see that kids have a greater chance of dying from
choking on things like the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that
you feed them.(4) Hmm, why doesn't National Geographic want to
report on those killer peanuts?

3. "Guns in America" portrays twelve times as many negative uses of
guns as positive uses -- even though in the real world, the truth is
quite the opposite (as guns are used at least 50 times more often to
save life than take life). The program does start with a
dramatization of a legitimate self-defense story with an actual 911
call playing in the background. But after that, every dramatization
is about drive-by-shootings or cops being shot or gang-related
warfare.

The lesson for the viewer is: Guns are bad.

870 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:52:39am

4. "Guns in America" only quotes anti-gun
"authorities," thus leaving
the impression that all law-enforcement support gun control. Never
mind the fact that when one looks at polls of the police community,
they overwhelmingly hold pro-gun attitudes:

* Should any law-abiding citizen be able to purchase a firearm for
sport or self defense? -- 93% of law-enforcement said yes.(5)

* Do you believe law-abiding citizens should be limited to the
purchase of no more than one firearm per month? -- 70.1% of
law-enforcement said no.(6)

* Do you agree that a national concealed handgun permit would reduce
rates of violent crime as recent studies in some states have already
reflected? -- 68.2% of law-enforcement said yes.(7)

It's bad enough that a liberal teacher's union controls the education
of our kids in the public schools, and that many of them are being
brainwashed with politically correct thinking. We don't need
supposedly neutral programs like National Geographic peddling the
Brady Campaign's favorite factoids to an unsuspecting public.

ACTION: Please contact Tim T. Kelly, the President and CEO of
National Geographic Ventures (which includes their television
division), and urge him to steer the NatGeo channel away from
politics. If the National Geographic Channel can't run a balanced
program -- where they use real statistics -- then they just need to
stick to filming those cute little animals that helped make their
magazine so famous.

You can go to [Link: channel.nationalgeographic.com...]
to cut-and-paste the sample letter below into their webform. Since
you will need to select a Topic, please choose "I have a
complaint."
And for "Department," we would suggest selecting
"Factual Questions"
or "General."

871 traderjoe9  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:52:42am

The fake truce is officially over.

Israeli aid since June 18. Notice how they send tons and tons of things virtually most of the time. All this while we get showered with rockets.

872 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:52:51am

re: #801 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And this is different from most weekends in the UK?

Only in regard to the size of the crowds, and the age ...

873 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:53:14am

re: #848 realwest

YEP... let's hope he screws up so bad they kick him

874 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:53:18am

re: #865 Occasional Reader

Hey, I got a robo-call informing me that, due to suspicious activity my card has been suspended. Of course, I've never heard of the alleged card issuer. But I'm supposed to call "security" right away, and, doubtless, provide them with my card number, full name and security code. Nice try, losers.

Hmmm, did the robocall give a number for "security"?

875 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:53:23am

re: #792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They just accepted a ballot from the PRIMARY.

You have got to be shitting me.

876 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:53:40am

re: #860 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

shouldn't there be a "Designate Coleman" in there someplace?

That was the most common choice during the first two days when they went through the Franken challenges.

/these are all Coleman challenges now

877 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:53:49am

re: #865 Occasional Reader

Hey, I got a robo-call informing me that, due to suspicious activity my card has been suspended. Of course, I've never heard of the alleged card issuer. But I'm supposed to call "security" right away, and, doubtless, provide them with my card number, full name and security code. Nice try, losers.

I contacted ING Direct and they were very good about it... I have to wait and see if they 'post' before I can officially dispute. However, the charges on there are a lot of $1.00 transactions, which added up brought my balance into the Red...

878 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:53:51am

re: #792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They just accepted a ballot from the PRIMARY.

/I'm going to be sick.

It's official. We're screwed.

879 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:54:22am

re: #855 jwb7605


It's all they can do... 0-:

880 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:54:26am

re: #804 Occasional Reader

I thought Americans had a problem with binge drinking, until I lived in the UK.

(Well, actually both our countries have the problem. We could both take a lesson from the Mediterraneans.)

Heh.
I blame all those Viking and Anglo-Saxon genes - tribes formerly well known for their drinking prowess ...

881 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:54:33am

re: #878 gclaghorn

It's official. We're screwed.

Why is it we can all watch this and WE CAN'T PREVENT IT?!?!?!?

882 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:54:58am

re: #844 Alouette
Actually, it's the United States of America is the loser.

883 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:55:04am

re: #881 vxbush

Why is it we can all watch this and WE CAN'T PREVENT IT?!?!?!?

I have no idea what's going on with MN republicans. You'd think they would defend themselves.

884 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:55:12am

re: #875 Occasional Reader

You have got to be shitting me.

Nope, I literally watched it happen. They even showed the damn thing on the tube.

885 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:55:17am

re: #811 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well, Festivus begins with The Airing of Grievances.

Yes you're right :-)

Put your grievances on paper...

886 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:55:18am
887 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:55:24am
888 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:55:39am

re: #696 DistantThunder

Everyone has to read the Romney Turn around plan for the economy. Gosh, wouldn't it be great to be welcoming in a Romney administration coming in the next 5 weeks headed by a true financial genius who understands Detroit like few others, and KNOWS how to create wealth and prosperity?

A Republican Stimulus Plan by Mitt Romney

The first is that tax cuts are part of the solution. Harvard professor and economist Greg Mankiw points out that recent research confirms that tax cuts have a greater multiplier effect than new spending — more economic bang for the federal buck. We should lower tax rates for middle-income families and eliminate their tax on savings altogether — no tax on interest, dividends or capital gains. Let’s also align our corporate tax rate with those of competing nations. These actions will rapidly expand consumption and investment, and right now, time is of the essence.

Tax cuts make economically illiterate socialist/stalinist corruptocrat heads explode. It will never happen under Obama/Reid/Pelosi regime.

889 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:55:49am

re: #883 gclaghorn

I have no idea what's going on with MN republicans. You'd think they would defend themselves.

How?

890 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:55:52am

re: #860 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

So let me see, there are four catagories ballots go into:

1) Designate Franken

2) Designate Undervote

3) Designate Overvote

4) Designate Other

/shouldn't there be a "Designate Coleman" in there someplace?

These people suck. I see ALOT of those votes as anybody BUT Franken and these scumbags rate them under/over vote. fuckers.

891 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:56:57am

re: #883 gclaghorn

I have no idea what's going on with MN republicans. You'd think they would defend themselves.

Standing up for yourself is not the way the GOP does things. We don't want to be seen as "mean." Mean people suck, after all.

892 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:57:00am

re: #806 WriterMom

Well said. I miss a number of people who have been banned. Not that I disagree with Charles decision. I just liked their other good posts. That said, I have been thrown out of a bar more than once, so it does happen that otherwise well meaning people get out of line. I won't judge Wrath's by his ill-considered posts last night.

893 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:57:31am
894 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:57:45am

re: #883 gclaghorn

I have no idea what's going on with MN republicans. You'd think they would defend themselves.

We do what we can.

/although pretty tough to do, seeing as we live in the deepest part of the deep blue sea

895 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:58:14am

About to cross the +50 mark...

896 nyc redneck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:58:25am

it is disgusting that a loser like franken is even on the ballot.
it just shows how a little notoriety puts even a worthless asshole ahead of more qualified candidates.
and it is absurd that the election is even this close so that the failed comic and airhead america host, thinks he has a chance to steal.
this is very disturbing.

897 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:58:42am

re: #889 The Other Les

How?

By protesting the ballots Al Franken is cherry-picking? A write-in for God counting for Franken? Come on!

898 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:58:44am

re: #814 Dustoff-507

There'll be tents with paramedics to detoxify all the drunks

Ahhh as a medic myself. That's kind of hard. Granted we can give you and IV... but when your drunk, your drunk. LOL

Its better than having most ambulances carrying them drunkards to the A&E departments, where they clog up space and get into fights.

Bit of rehydration and seeing they don't aspirate their vomit is all they need.

Our A&E departments are pretty busy, flu epidemic starting, as predicted, and our pensioners need to be looked after a bit better than having to wait just because some people don't know when they've had enough drink.

899 LilyGecko  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:58:44am

re: #895 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What is?

900 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:58:50am

re: #861 yochanan
Yeah, I do yochanan - always have, actually. I still consider NYC my "hometown" and the corruption there is at least as bad as it is in Chicago, just more sophisticated.
But it's interesting - NYC and Chicago are prime examples of single party rule - especially when that party is called "Democrat".

901 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:58:55am

This article DISPROVES EVOLUTION.
/

Dinosaurs were better fathers than Barack Obama Sr.

902 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:59:02am

re: #895 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

About to cross the +50 mark...

Where can I watch it?

903 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:59:04am

re: #892 Kenneth


That's why if Charles posts something I may disagree with. I leave. Not worth getting all upset over it.

904 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:59:12am

re: #853 gclaghorn

Coulter: One Plus One Equals 20 Extra Votes for Franken

Ha, Ann beat me to it. :)

Then one heavily Democratic town miraculously discovered 100 missing ballots. And, in another marvel, they were all for Al Franken! It was like a completely evil version of a Christmas miracle.

905 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:59:16am

That Writer Mom chick is kwazy.

906 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 7:59:22am

re: #874 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hmmm, did the robocall give a number for "security"?

I think I was supposed to pick up the phone (if I was home) to be transferred to the "security department", now that I recall.

I'm pretty sure the "security department" is located in Nigeria...

907 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:00:06am

re: #899 LilyGecko

What is?

The degrees of list on the ship of state as it slips under the waves...

/The vote differential between Franken and Coleman.

908 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:00:29am

re: #902 gclaghorn

Where can I watch it?

here

909 invictus1  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:00:59am

re: #895 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

About to cross the +50 mark...

+57 now.

910 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:00:59am

re: #902 gclaghorn

Where can I watch it?

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

911 LilyGecko  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:01:01am

re: #906 Occasional Reader

I'm pretty sure the "security department" is located in Nigeria...

Hello...I would like to speak with you with very important information. If you can help me transfer my $3,000,000, I will share some of it with you...

912 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:01:06am

re: #895 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

About to cross the +50 mark...

I take this as a truly positive sign.
By the time everything is counted, Franken will have earned himself a clear decisive victory.
Coleman should issue an immediate apology for contesting what was obviously the choice of the people.

/that will probably happen, too.

913 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:01:13am

UN split over homosexuality laws

Sixty other countries of the UN's 192 member states, including a number of Arab and African states, rejected the non-binding declaration.

They said laws on homosexuality should be left to individual countries.

I don't even know where to start.

914 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:01:28am

OR,

Hey, I got a robo-call informing me that, due to suspicious activity my card has been suspended. Of course, I've never heard of the alleged card issuer. But I'm supposed to call "security" right away, and, doubtless, provide them with my card number, full name and security code.

If you get another robo call, give them fake information. I'm totally serious.

If everyone did that, then the fraudsters and phishers would effectively be put out of business. They'd have to sort through tens of thousands of bogus names, card numbers, and security codes to access a accounts with a couple of thousand dollars in them.

It would be so much work that it would destroy the value proposition for them.

915 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:01:39am

re: #906 Occasional Reader

I think I was supposed to pick up the phone (if I was home) to be transferred to the "security department", now that I recall.

I'm pretty sure the "security department" is located in Nigeria...

I see. Yeah.
/just want to be fully briefed in case I get one

916 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:01:48am

re: #891 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Standing up for yourself is not the way the GOP does things. We don't want to be seen as "mean." Mean people suck, after all.

We have this thing up here called "Minnesota Nice." And that to the fact that Republicans in general are simply too nice and you can definately say that we are f***ed.

917 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:01:50am

re: #897 gclaghorn

By protesting the ballots Al Franken is cherry-picking? A write-in for God counting for Franken? Come on!

Minnesota law requires that they try and discern the intent of the voter.

/I've watched all four days and, believe it or not, the canvassing board has been extremely consistent in their ruling for both sides

918 Dustoff-507  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:02:07am

re: #898 yma o hyd


Bit of rehydration and seeing they don't aspirate their vomit is all they need.
___

If they aspirate. You'll need a ER real quick. Medic units don't have that type of eqp to handle that.

919 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:02:31am

re: #792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They just accepted a ballot from the PRIMARY.

/I'm going to be sick.

What? Open cheating. Oh yeah - no problem there. The corruptocrats are so brazen - they can do whatever they want. Constitution and rules be damned.

920 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:02:39am

re: #795 Occasional Reader careful OR

Creationist!

921 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:02:41am
922 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:02:55am

re: #897 gclaghorn

By protesting the ballots Al Franken is cherry-picking? A write-in for God counting for Franken? Come on!

They actually did that?!

923 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:03:21am

re: #922 The Other Les

They actually did that?!

Yep. I'll look for the link.

924 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:03:38am

I've found the perfect Christmas gift for the grumpy conservative on your list!

The Maggie Thatcher Nut Cracker

925 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:03:52am
926 LilyGecko  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:03:53am

re: #914 Dirk Diggler


Scam Hall of Shame...

927 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:04:33am

Gaza groups will not renew truce


The Egyptian-brokered deal began on 19 June but has been tested regularly by Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel and Israeli operations in Gaza.

Uh...what?

Broken by Palestinian rocket attacks AND Israeli operations to STOP ROCKET ATTACKS?

928 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:04:45am

re: #880 yma o hyd

Heh.
I blame all those Viking and Anglo-Saxon genes - tribes formerly well known for their drinking prowess ...

Weren't Celts known for their partying? Galatians was written to them.

929 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:04:47am

re: #915 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see. Yeah.
/just want to be fully briefed in case I get one

Never, ever, ever give your real card information to someone calling you and purporting to be your card issuer. If you think there may be something wrong with your account, call your issuer using the number that appears on your statement.

930 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:04:51am

Franken +60...

931 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:04:54am

Who is Tshup?

Been downdinging in the spin-offs.

932 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:05:18am

re: #917 Killian Bundy

Minnesota law requires that they try and discern the intent of the voter.

/I've watched all four days and, believe it or not, the canvassing board has been extremely consistent in their ruling for both sides

I would count a write-in for God as a vote for Eric Clapton.

/obscure cultural reference

933 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:05:30am

I'm out... can't take this "recount" any more.

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

934 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:05:34am

re: #892 Kenneth

You? Thrown out of a bar? Say it isn't so!

935 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:05:58am

re: #905 Ben Hur

You don't know the half of it...

936 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:06:09am

re: #930 gclaghorn

Franken +60...

what?

I repeat , WTF ?

937 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:06:16am

re: #924 Kenneth

I've found the perfect Christmas gift for the grumpy conservative on your list!

The Maggie Thatcher Nut Cracker

(I did NOT see that!)
LOL!

938 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:06:33am

re: #936 Shug

what?

I repeat , WTF ?

MN recount. Franken ahead by 60.

939 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:06:39am

re: #927 Ben Hur

Gaza groups will not renew truce

Uh...what?

Broken by Palestinian rocket attacks AND Israeli operations to STOP ROCKET ATTACKS?

Jews fighting back is highly provocative.

940 yochanan  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:06:40am

re: #871 traderjoe9

The fake truce is officially over.

Israeli aid since June 18. Notice how they send tons and tons of things virtually most of the time. All this while we get showered with rockets.

GET RID OF THE DHIMMI GOV'T IN THE COMING ELECTION

941 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:06:47am

re: #913 Ben Hur

UN split over homosexuality laws

I don't even know where to start.

They're against protecting homosexuals from persecution, but they're all for Man Love Thursdays!

942 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:06:48am

re: #870 ggt
So I gather that you think that that NatGeo program sucked, is that about it?!

943 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:07:06am

re: #938 gclaghorn

MN recount. Franken ahead by 60.


I repeat , WTF ?

cheating or what ?

944 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:07:23am
945 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:07:48am

re: #942 realwest

So I gather that you think that that NatGeo program sucked, is that about it?!

I didn't watch it. I'm just passing on the info to those who may be interested.

946 LilyGecko  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:07:53am

re: #943 Shug

I've decided to just ignore it for now.

947 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:07:58am

re: #939 Occasional Reader

Absolutely. If only those uppity Jews would just DIE DIE DIE already, there would be peace in the Middle East.

/must I?

948 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:07:58am

So, the NYT reports that the truce ends between Hamas and Israel. They also have this golden nugget:

A window shattered by a Palestinian rocket fired on Wednesday from Gaza into Sderot, a town near the Gazan border. Although Hamas drastically reduced the number of rocket attacks on Israel, the rockets never completely stopped during the truce, which expires Friday.

It's not a truce if the rockets never stopped. Hamas simply kept the conflict on a low simmer rather than a boil. They were wearing down the Israelis and showing that they could continue to attack Israel with impunity.

None of that comes across in the so called NYT analysis. /what'd you expect?

949 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:08:05am
950 notutopia  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:08:12am

re: #806 WriterMom

First of all-this blog has an owner and he decides who is in or out. PERIOD.

WriterMom,
I agree with this and abide by it and respect Charles and his decisions and respect my fellow lizards.

I do disagree with you suggesting that it is not our right to discuss what truthfully occurred. It is an insult to suggest silence...both to our intelligence and our rights to speak our individual concerns. No one here other than Charles has the right to make that decision. I do not wish to allow that this silencing prerogative, which is HIS alone, be condoned to anyone else but to HIM.

Silencing a lizard who has had a contributing history of value to others here, is not taken by me as a slight of judgement, of swift hand, or of ill conscience. It is SERIOUS and a lesson to be used in reasoning for others to know what occurred and to learn the boundaries of dissent.
This site that Charles has built is based on the values and contributions of everyone of us...it is a lizard community.
One lizard has EARNED himself banished, of his own privileges of speech on this blog. Others will miss him, irregardless, of whether you think they should not speak his name again...Also, However, many were not there when the offensive behavior occurred and will inquire what happened.
It is like losing a member of your community... some grieve...some clap in happiness...

951 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:08:22am

re: #929 Occasional Reader

Never, ever, ever give your real card information to someone calling you and purporting to be your card issuer. If you think there may be something wrong with your account, call your issuer using the number that appears on your statement.

I think learning to speak Esperanto just for these folks would be worth the effort.

952 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:08:41am

re: #913 Ben Hur

START WITH JOKE ABOUT SPLIT!

953 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:08:41am
954 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:08:48am

re: #929 Occasional Reader

Never, ever, ever give your real card information to someone calling you and purporting to be your card issuer. If you think there may be something wrong with your account, call your issuer using the number that appears on your statement.

Yes. Absolutely.
I wouldn't fall for something like that.
"being briefed" meant hanging up faster -- recognizing it.

955 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:09:12am

re: #925 buzzsawmonkey

You could start by changing the headline to "Member Countries Tell UN to Bugger Off."


U.S. Joins Muslim Nations In Refusing To Sign UN Declaration To Decriminalize Homoseuxuality

956 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:09:25am

re: #918 Dustoff-507

Bit of rehydration and seeing they don't aspirate their vomit is all they need.
___

If they aspirate. You'll need a ER real quick. Medic units don't have that type of eqp to handle that.

Thats why they do have one ambulance (I'm speaking of my own city, Cardiff, which isn't that big) on stand-by - hospital is only a few minutes away.
This is still better than any of them having to wait without any paramedical help because - you guessed it! - all ambulances are carrying drunks to the hospital and aren't available right now.

957 kcjd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:09:36am

Strange how the last name on the Clinton Donor list is James Franklin. Where are the other 20 letters of the alphabet for the donors who gave $250.00 and under?
Guess thier site ran out of room at 2922 pages of donors.

958 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:09:36am
959 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:09:43am

re: #934 WriterMom

You? Thrown out of a bar? Say it isn't so!

Sorry to say, in my misspent youth.

Alcohol was involved.

960 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:09:57am

re: #929 Occasional Reader

Never, ever, ever give your real card information to someone calling you and purporting to be your card issuer. If you think there may be something wrong with your account, call your issuer using the number that appears on your statement.

Exactly... Never, ever accept a call and give out a card number...

I do have to add that the folks at ING Direct are very nice and a human from America answers the phone all the time...

961 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:10:00am

re: #943 Shug

I repeat , WTF ?

cheating or what ?

No, Coleman had 900 challenges and Franken only had 400. Both sides, as expected, lost most of their challenges.

/do the math, Norm was only up 190 going into the ballot challenges

962 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:10:01am

re: #950 notutopia

who got banned ?

963 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:10:06am

re: #933 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm out... can't take this "recount" any more.

I, for one, welcome our new insect fat, un-funny asshat overlords.

964 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:10:17am

re: #932 The Other Les

The question's been haunting me ... did you finally get into your frozen car okay the other day? You went out to try again, and didn't come back.

965 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:10:50am

re: #930 gclaghorn

Franken +60...

It's over folks... 59 Dems in Senate... Of course, with Snowe and Collins and Hagel and McCain, it's more like 63.

966 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:11:06am

re: #924 Kenneth

I've found the perfect Christmas gift for the grumpy conservative on your list!

The Maggie Thatcher Nut Cracker

How I wish she'd be in her former good health and was swinging her handbag at certain people ..

967 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:11:30am

re: #953 buzzsawmonkey

All through the long Minnesota night
Counting the votes--'til they add up right.

Morning Buzz... You see my #310?

968 Buck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:11:46am

re: #19 Mr. E. Train

But thats why they do suicide attacks. They KNOW they are losers and the only way they'll get the hot chicks (72 virgins), the big house and bling (the high holy whore house in Allahs hood) is to strap on the vest and 'splode themselves in a group of infidels.

When your entire nation/culture looks like the worse burnt out ghetto in watts, you never see a woman that isnt your mom/sister/wife, there isnt a decent job to be had for love or money and every authority figure around you yammers on and on about how the best thing you can do is be a martyr... Hell, I might 'splode myself to!

Sorry the poor splodydope is a myth. The hijackers from Saudi could have had a very nice life. Some suicide bombers are students, most are tricked and talked into it, but none are starving and lonely with no other choices.

Again, neither the Saudi 15, nor UBL himself came from a 'burnt out getto'.

969 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:12:28am

re: #950 notutopia

I do disagree with you suggesting that it is not our right to discuss what truthfully occurred. It is an insult to suggest silence

The problem is some Lizards delight in dancing on the graves of the banned.

/usually because they had some part in provoking it

970 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:12:33am

re: #925 buzzsawmonkey

You could start by changing the headline to "Member Countries Tell UN to Bugger Off."

Hah!
Precedent!

Now other member countries can tell the UN to bugger off as well!

971 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:12:34am

re: #924 Kenneth

I've found the perfect Christmas gift for the grumpy conservative on your list!

The Maggie Thatcher Nut Cracker

Gotta' get me one of those.

972 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:12:54am

re: #952 WriterMom

START WITH JOKE ABOUT SPLIT!


AUTOREPLY?

973 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:12:54am

re: #950 notutopia

I do disagree with you suggesting that it is not our right to discuss what truthfully occurred.

First of all, there are no "rights" here. We're all guests of the host. Secondly, you should read more closely what I wrote-which is my opinion-and mine alone. I am suggesting that people might just want to refer other posters to specific links or quotes, or give a brief summary of what happened instead of speculating on their motivation for posting whatever. None of us are mind-readers, and very few of us know each other PERSONALLY. This is a BLOG. This is CYBERSPACE. And it looks PETTY to speculate on motivation. And the person being accused of whatever can't defend themselves in this particular forum. So, I would say that is pretty petty and gutless and I would be concerned that the people doing that excessively need to focus on their own real lives, and their own behaviour or step away from the keyboard themselves.

974 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:12:55am

re: #962 Shug

who got banned ?

Wrath

975 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:12:57am
976 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:13:11am

re: #931 ggt
Either someone who never has anything to say, or - more than likely - someone's sock puppet.

977 LilyGecko  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:13:17am

re: #962 Shug

who got banned ?

Wrath.

978 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:13:23am

re: #958 ploome hineni

Oooh! Hubba hubba! Solider thread?

979 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:13:52am
980 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:14:19am

Loser says "BOOM!"

P.J. O'Roarke

981 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:14:27am

It's our worst nightmare of 2000 coming back in 2008.

982 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:14:29am

re: #964 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The question's been haunting me ... did you finally get into your frozen car okay the other day? You went out to try again, and didn't come back.

I parked it out in the sun Thursday and the doors thawed out.

Now the right front tire went flat.

Ugh...

983 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:14:39am

re: #928 MandyManners

Weren't Celts known for their partying? Galatians was written to them.

Yeah - but never like those Germanic tribes!
Celts were in for the long haul - trhee days of feasting at a minimum. So whats the use to get blotto in the shortest possible time? No fun in that.

Vikings and Anglo-Saxons, on the other hand ...

984 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:14:43am

re: #973 WriterMom

instead of speculating on their motivation for posting whatever

You're probably just saying that because of PMS.

KIDDING! PUT DOWN THAT PIPE WRENCH!

985 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:14:49am
986 gclaghorn  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:14:49am

Franken ahead by 80 now.

987 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:14:53am

re: #976 realwest

Either someone who never has anything to say, or - more than likely - someone's sock puppet.

Yeah, I know. Bugger is messing with my karma!

LOL

988 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:15:05am

re: #965 tfc3rid

It's over folks... 59 Dems in Senate... Of course, with Snowe and Collins and Hagel and McCain, it's more like 63.

Hagel is being replaced by an actual republican...Mike Johanns.

989 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:15:11am

re: #982 The Other Les

YECH!

990 notutopia  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:15:32am

re: #962 Shug

Wrath of G-D. Please go see the posts above...and read his comments.
Make up your own mind...it's called the... self inflicted consequences of freedom of speech with no MIND connected to your tongue.

991 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:15:35am

re: #979 buzzsawmonkey

If Franken takes the seat, I guess it can truly be said that Democratic election fraud is now the Norm.

I hovered over the down-ding button just for the sheer badness of the pun - but decided to upding for quality and ingenuity.

I still think Charles needs to install a groan button.

992 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:15:50am

re: #984 Occasional Reader

OMG! Too funny...HAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAA

Hermones! Hermones!

993 E.T.  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:15:55am

Watching the news conference on the auto-bailout ... I am pissed.
Over at Ace they are suggesting only by Ford as they are the only one that refused the bailout. Sounds like a good idea to me ... I wish I would have known this a couple weeks ago when I bought a new Jeep. I certainly would have gone to Ford.

994 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:16:11am
995 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:16:38am

re: #994 ploome hineni

why not

where is Mandy's deam fellow?

I'm right here. Married tho.

996 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:16:45am
997 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:16:52am

re: #959 Kenneth

Sorry to say, in my misspent youth.

Alcohol was involved.

The only time I was booted out of a bar was the night I got arrested for knocking out the guy who called me that "c" word.

998 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:17:04am

re: #986 gclaghorn

Franken ahead by 80 now.

/and there's still hundreds of Coleman challenges left to sort through

999 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:17:37am

re: #990 notutopia

Wrath of G-D. Please go see the posts above...and read his comments.
Make up your own mind...it's called the... self inflicted consequences of freedom of speech with no MIND connected to your tongue.

I'll pass.
Not my decision or my place to question why somebody was banned or not

1000 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:17:38am

re: #997 MandyManners

The only time I was booted out of a bar was the night I got arrested for knocking out the guy who called me that "c" word.

Charming?

1001 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:17:58am
1002 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:17:59am

Has Anyone seen any Man on the Street interviews in MN?
Why arent the people of MN up in arms about this?

Primary votes
Unsealed votes in the back of cars

If this happened here, I would be screaming bloody murder.

1003 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:18:09am

re: #913 Ben Hur

UN split over homosexuality laws

I don't even know where to start.

Allah hates fags too.

1004 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:18:14am

re: #981 gclaghorn

It's our worst nightmare of 2000 coming back in 2008.

I posted about that several threads ago, musing that I almost wished that Gore had won in 2000.
It would have been one of those "suck snot out of a dead horse till his face caves in versus slide down a fifty foot razor blade" choices.

I have no idea whether I got down-dinged or not.
I'm really tired of sucking snot, though.

1005 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:18:23am

re: #997 MandyManners

Congenial? I'm glad you slugged him.

1006 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:18:35am
1007 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:18:41am

re: #997 MandyManners

The only time I was booted out of a bar was the night I got arrested for knocking out the guy who called me that "c" word.

C word? What is that?

Cuddly, cute, corporate, Coors drinker?

1008 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:18:44am
1009 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:18:58am

re: #997 MandyManners

The only time I was booted out of a bar was the night I got arrested for knocking out the guy who called me that "c" word.

Calling you cute is offensive?

1010 Pietr  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:02am

re: #1000 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cute/Cuddly/Curvaceous?

1011 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:07am

re: #1006 ploome hineni

17 fucking billion going to Chrysler

could I please have 100,000


They won't have it for long.

1012 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:13am

re: #1007 DaddyG

C word? What is that?

Cuddly, cute, corporate, Coors drinker?

That'd be enough for me to strike someone!

1013 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:15am
1014 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:16am
1015 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:25am
1016 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:30am

re: #994 ploome hineni

why not

where is Mandy's deam fellow?

Right here. Or, here.

1017 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:31am

re: #1006 ploome hineni

17 fucking billion going to Chrysler

could I please have 100,000

17.4 between GM and Chrysler.

So, it's okay.

1018 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:32am

re: #973 WriterMom

Agree wholeheartedly with this and your previous post.

1019 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:41am
1020 nyc redneck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:51am

re: #979 buzzsawmonkey

If Franken takes the seat, I guess it can truly be said that Democratic election fraud is now the Norm.

and that is going to leave me cole, man.

1021 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:19:55am

re: #950 notutopia
Sorry neighbor - but saying someone has been banned and indicating where or why he or she was banned is one thing; it's entirely different to speculate on that individual's reasons for posting whatever made him or her get banned.
And doing some "dissing" of someone you know has been banned and therefore can't repond is just cowardly.
It IS Charles Blog and he doesn't do it; don't see where some posters should be able to.

1022 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:20:00am

re: #1000 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charming?

Ummm...not quite.

1023 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:20:05am

Charles should be awake soon.

1024 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:20:46am

re: #1005 WriterMom

Congenial? I'm glad you slugged him.

Yeah, well, NO ONE calls me "congenial".

1025 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:21:06am
1026 notutopia  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:21:15am

re: #999 Shug

Exactly.. That is prerogative of Mr. Johnson's judgement and actions and his alone. And, I would like to keep it that way.

1027 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:21:22am

re: #1016 MandyManners

Right here. Or, here.

I wouldn't mess with the first one. First one could totally own the second one.

First one appears to love the smell "of Napalm in the morning". Total bad-ass.

1028 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:21:31am

re: #997 MandyManners

The only time I was booted out of a bar was the night I got arrested for knocking out the guy who called me that "c" word.

crazy? cute? conservative? crabby?

1029 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:21:36am

re: #1024 MandyManners

Damned straight.

You know, I had a colleague recently tell me in an e-mail that I was NICE. I was so offended-it's like the kiss of death in my line of work...

1030 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:21:40am
1031 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:21:52am
1032 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:22:00am

re: #1007 DaddyG

C word? What is that?

Cuddly, cute, corporate, Coors drinker?

re: #1007 DaddyG

C word? What is that?

Cuddly, cute, corporate, Coors drinker?

All of the above.

1033 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:22:06am
1034 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:22:39am

re: #1025 ploome hineni

sigh...they look like skinny kids to me

Exactly! ...all gristle and chewy. What women should really be going for is the well rounded man like myself. Soft with a warm gooey center!

1035 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:22:56am

re: #951 MandyManners

I think learning to speak Esperanto just for these folks would be worth the effort.

Start with

Oh, I'm so glad you called. I was at the mall and my card was declined. So I checked my other card and it had also been declined. I know I had a 5000 dollar limit, or was it 500?

Talk rapidly without giving out any information.

1036 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:23:12am
1037 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:23:12am

Oh, we talking thrown out of bars stories now?

In grad school over lunch we went to a local bar that had decent food. I didn't order any alcohol, but they were carding anyway. The *one* time I didn't have my ID on me, they started to kick me out, even though I had five personal witnesses to my age and the fact that I had two kids.

The guy finally relented. But that's as close as I've ever gotten. I'm too boring.

1038 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:23:16am

re: #1034 DaddyG

Ewww.

1039 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:23:21am

re: #1025 ploome hineni

sigh...they look like skinny kids to me

No effin' way. Lotsa' muscles to grab onto. Did you see the oblique on Mr. August? Humminah humminah humminah.

1040 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:23:22am

re: #1013 taxfreekiller

Thank you - that is brilliant!

1041 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:23:29am

re: #1029 WriterMom

LOL! You, nice? ROFLMAO!

Good one.

1042 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:23:56am
1043 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:24:13am

re: #997 MandyManners

The only time I was booted out of a bar was the night I got arrested for knocking out the guy who called me that "c" word.

take the boots to him!

1044 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:24:23am

re: #1041 Kenneth

{Kenneth}

1045 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:24:32am

re: #955 Ben Hur
Yes, but from your link:

The truth of the matter is that the United States is actually at the forefront of "gay rights". There are only seven nations in the entire world where gay people can get married. One of those seven nations is the United States.


Same-sex marriage
Belgium
Canada
Netherlands

Norway (2009-1-1)
South Africa
Spain



Recognized in some regions
United States (CT, MA)


It will be interesting to see whether the AP has buried some very reasonable American objection to this resolution.


[emphasis added, realwest]

I'd need to hear from the US Ambassador to the UN on our reasons for not joining in on the right side here before condemning my own country.

1046 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:24:38am

When smokers are asked by their doctors how many cigarettes they smoke per day, the actual number is about double what they admit to.

but for the government, the bail out money they say they are giving is probably 10 times more than they actually say.

they are throwing good money after bad to Chrysler and GM. I hate to say it. I buy american cars, and will continue to do so because I like them, but as a taxpayer I think I'm getting ripped off here

1047 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:24:44am

re: #1027 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wouldn't mess with the first one. First one could totally own the second one.

First one appears to love the smell "of Napalm in the morning". Total bad-ass.

I'd mess with either.

1048 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:24:59am

re: #1028 Kenneth

crazy? cute? conservative? crabby?

Yes.

1049 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:25:00am
1050 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:25:02am

re: #1029 WriterMom

You know, I had a colleague recently tell me in an e-mail that I was NICE. I was so offended-it's like the kiss of death in my line of work...

What are you, like a bouncer or hit-woman or something?

1051 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:25:12am
1052 x-wing  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:25:16am

re: #1016 MandyManners

Right here. Or, here.

I guess we'll just stay friends then ;>}

///

1053 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:25:19am

re: #1029 WriterMom

Damned straight.

You know, I had a colleague recently tell me in an e-mail that I was NICE. I was so offended-it's like the kiss of death in my line of work...

Didja' kick his ass?

1054 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:25:50am

re: #1050 Occasional Reader

[cracks knuckles]

I could tell ya, but den I hadda kills ya.

1055 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:25:58am

re: #1030 buzzsawmonkey

...unless, of course, you actually are hanging out with a Spanish genie.

At one point he mentioned the genie in his pants.

1056 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:26:07am

re: #1033 Iron Fist

But the problem is now that there IS a method of recount where Franken-stein has won... That means the Dems will scream 'stolen election' till the cows come home...

1057 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:26:35am

re: #1037 vxbush

The *one* time I didn't have my ID on me, they started to kick me out,

When I turned 21, went to the Enlisted Men's club and ordered a pitcher of beer. The bartender didn't card me! Drank half the pitcher and went back to the barracks -- evening thoroughly ruined!

1058 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:26:45am

re: #1053 MandyManners

Actually, I was speechless! WITHOUT SPEECH! ME!

So, I whined to her boss that I was certainly not $&*%^*#$% nice and we had a good laugh.

1059 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:26:52am

re: #1035 Eowyn2

Start with

Oh, I'm so glad you called. I was at the mall and my card was declined. So I checked my other card and it had also been declined. I know I had a 5000 dollar limit, or was it 500?

Talk rapidly without giving out any information.

Sprinkle liberally with "ohmygosh" and "youknow" and "Imeanlike" for full effect.

1060 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:27:04am
1061 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:27:25am

re: #1049 buzzsawmonkey

The Minnesota debacle could have been foreseen.

After all, Al Franken made his name as a jokester, tale-teller and general recounteur.

Worst misspelling of "racketeer" I've ever seen.

1062 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:27:53am

re: #1060 Iron Fist

I forgot to say it. We are well and truly fucked now. I don'tt think that the Supreme Court is going to help us. Goddamn Kennedy is just plain not fucking trustworthy.

Oh forget it... Hell meet handbasket.

1063 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:28:07am
1064 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:28:07am

DC HOUSEHUNT

OPRAH Winfrey wants to be as close to Barack Obama as possible. Insiders say Winfrey has started a preliminary search for a home in Washington, DC. A nine-bedroom Georgetown mansion she's said to have asked about is listed at $50 million, but another source said, "She has never personally been to see it." We're sure Winfrey will try to swing by during Inauguration week. Her rep didn't return calls.

The circus is coming to town.

The next four years is going to be an embarrassment.

1065 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:28:08am

re: #1043 Eowyn2

take the boots to him!

A round-house right to the jaw. Went down like a sack of shit.

1066 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:28:31am

re: #1037 vxbush

Oh, we talking thrown out of bars stories now?

In grad school over lunch we went to a local bar that had decent food. I didn't order any alcohol, but they were carding anyway. The *one* time I didn't have my ID on me, they started to kick me out, even though I had five personal witnesses to my age and the fact that I had two kids.

The guy finally relented. But that's as close as I've ever gotten. I'm too boring.

I bartend one night a week. I card everyone. Since smoking and gambling are allowed in the bar, if anyone is under 18 (whether drinking or not) or does not have their id on them, I have to kick them out. If the cops come in and start asking people in their 30s 40s etc for ID, I can wind up with a 500 dollar fine and nobody is worth 500 bucks (not even my kids - all well over 21 - get through the door without an id)

1067 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:28:48am

re: #1051 ploome hineni

hang on to?

lol

I like em for comfort

/had enough speed

They both look highly capable of both.

1068 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:28:54am

re: #1050 Occasional Reader

What are you, like a bouncer or hit-woman or something?

Sort of.. WriterMom works as a kind of guard at a prison cell block of hardened criminal dykes.

1069 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:29:00am

re: #1065 MandyManners

A round-house right to the jaw. Went down like the sack of shit he was.

Little better.

1070 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:29:21am

re: #1052 x-wing

I guess we'll just stay friends then ;>}

///

Platonic is a good thing.

1071 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:29:36am

re: #1066 Eowyn2

You in Tennessee. They started that last year.

Revenue enhancement.

1072 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:29:39am

re: #1039 MandyManners

No effin' way. Lotsa' muscles to grab onto. Did you see the oblique on Mr. August? Humminah humminah humminah.

post number?

1073 notutopia  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:29:46am

re: #1021 realwest

No need to apologize Real. I will personally refrain from making any further comments about personally missing the logical participation postings of someone who has contributed to this site and who by his own volition of behavior gets banned.
: )

1074 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:30:01am

re: #1059 MandyManners

Sprinkle liberally with "ohmygosh" and "youknow" and "Imeanlike" for full effect.

Reminds me of this... Valley Girl

1075 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:30:07am

re: #1058 WriterMom

Actually, I was speechless! WITHOUT SPEECH! ME!

So, I whined to her boss that I was certainly not $&*%^*#$% nice and we had a good laugh.

You? Speechless? Isn't that one of the four horsemen?

1076 ggt  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:30:47am

I'm going to start my day.

Have a great one Lizards!

1077 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:30:47am

re: #1068 Kenneth

OHGAWD that is funny!

1078 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:30:53am

Good morning all.

Glad to see that the People of Minnesota will have peace and prosperity in perpetuity now that their canvasing board has succeeded in reversing the Senatorial election results!

The revolutionary will of the People will not be stifled by the bourgeois capitalist pigs!

Viva Franken Comrades!

/

1079 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:30:54am

re: #1064 Ben Hur

Winfrey has started a preliminary search for a home in Washington, DC. A nine-bedroom Georgetown mansion she's said to have asked about is listed at $50 million

That's odd, I don't remember putting my house on the market.

1080 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:30:58am

re: #1071 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You in Tennessee. They started that last year.

Revenue enhancement.

mt - same revenue enhancement.

1081 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:31:24am

re: #1072 Eowyn2

No. 1016.

1082 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:31:28am

re: #1075 MandyManners

Yes. Luckily, I was only hallucinating the part about the guy on the donkey, yelling about the dawning of the messianic age...

1083 BlueCanuck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:31:35am

Good morning all. Just stepped out for my morning smoke and saw our heavy fall of Global warming. Wouldn't be so bad IF I wasn't out of tea.

1084 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:31:35am

re: #1068 Kenneth

Sort of.. WriterMom works as a kind of guard at a prison cell block of hardened criminal dykes.

Wait, I think we watched this movie at my bachelor party...

1085 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:32:00am

re: #1063 buzzsawmonkey

That's not a true genie. With a real genie, you rub the lamp and he grants you wishes.

Rub the genie in someone's pants, and you're granting his wish.

I wouldn't have rubbed it with a 10-foot pumice stone.

1086 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:32:03am

re: #1065 MandyManners

A round-house right to the jaw. Went down like a sack of shit.

*blink*

1087 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:32:09am

re: #1079 Occasional Reader

That's odd, I don't remember putting my house on the market.

No, it's next door... Won't that be fun?

1088 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:32:14am

re: #1081 MandyManners

No. 1016.

Guys? Looks like we'll be alone for a while. Howabout those Colts?

1089 Pyrocles  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:32:18am

A weak, limp-wristed and "Oprahfied" America coming right up... God :(

re: #1064 Ben Hur

DC HOUSEHUNT

The circus is coming to town.

The next four years is going to be an embarrassment.

1090 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:32:30am

Crikey. Looks like the keyboard on my personal laptop has gone bad. It's going to cost $250 to replace it *if* it's just the keyboard. If it's the wiring going to the keyboard, then it's time to call the insurance.

And I simply don't have the money to deal with this right now.

1091 realwest  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:32:38am

Well gotta head on out and get some chores done. Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

1092 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:32:47am

re: #1084 Occasional Reader

You think I was joking...

1093 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:33:00am
1094 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:33:10am

Let me guess... Franken's first legislation will be the return of the Fairness Doctrine... since the Air America failure, he's gotta show the proletariat their places.

1095 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:33:28am

re: #1064 Ben Hur

Well, I'd rather hear about her house hunting than her fucking yo yo dieting. Could there be many things LESS INTERESTING than that wretched woman's flab fluxuations?

1096 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:33:30am

re: #1082 WriterMom

Yes. Luckily, I was only hallucinating the part about the guy on the donkey, yelling about the dawning of the messianic age...

If you'd have seen him on a unicorn, that'd be something else.

1097 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:34:26am

re: #1086 Spare O'Lake

*blink*

I don't know where it came from. Less than a split-second decision. It wasn't rage so much as outrage.

1098 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:34:32am

re: #1096 MandyManners

If you'd have seen him on a unicorn, that'd be something else.

that would be Obama.

1099 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:34:33am

re: #1081 MandyManners

No. 1016.

thanks, I needed that

1100 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:34:48am

re: #1096 MandyManners

There was a unicorn farting, and this bloated dude was running around trying to tax and measure the farts at the same time...don't know what THAT was all about.

1101 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:34:55am

re: #1093 Ojoe

The cold good morning Towercam view of the San Gabriel Mountains of California in the Pacific time zone.

There I got it all into one sentence.

Beautiful!

Seems a bit of the fluffy, cold and white stuff is lying around ...

1102 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:35:17am

re: #1094 eschew_obfuscation

Let me guess... Franken's first legislation will be the return of the Fairness Doctrine... since the Air America failure, he's gotta show the proletariat their places.

I'm glad I don't live antwhere near Minn.

1103 gregg  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:35:20am

re: #986 gclaghorn

Franken ahead by 80 now.

Not only will he be a senator, with an 80 vote margin, he'll claim a mandate from the people!

1104 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:35:26am

re: #1098 Kenneth

that would be Obama.

Oh, you know it.

1105 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:35:43am

re: #1002 Eowyn2

Has Anyone seen any Man on the Street interviews in MN?
Why arent the people of MN up in arms about this?

Primary votes
Unsealed votes in the back of cars

If this happened here, I would be screaming bloody murder.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1106 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:35:58am

Cheaters never prosper

fixed

1107 LilyGecko  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:36:08am

re: #1093 Ojoe

Lovely view. Thanks for the picture. :)

1108 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:36:09am

re: #1088 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Guys? Looks like we'll be alone for a while. Howabout those Colts?


did the colts win.

1109 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:36:19am

re: #1090 vxbush

Crikey. Looks like the keyboard on my personal laptop has gone bad. It's going to cost $250 to replace it *if* it's just the keyboard. If it's the wiring going to the keyboard, then it's time to call the insurance.

And I simply don't have the money to deal with this right now.

Can't you buy a $15 USB keyboard and plug it in?

1110 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:36:23am

re: #1099 Eowyn2

thanks, I needed that

Here's another.

1111 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:36:30am
1112 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:36:54am

re: #1064 Ben Hur

Winfrey has started a preliminary search for a home in Washington, DC. A nine-bedroom Georgetown mansion

And I just can't help but noticing... Georgetown? Chock full o' white folks, in a city that's 70%+ black. What's up with that, Oprah?

1113 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:03am

re: #1100 WriterMom

There was a unicorn farting, and this bloated dude was running around trying to tax and measure the farts at the same time...don't know what THAT was all about.

No self-proclaimed movie genius who could take Rosie in a fight?

1114 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:09am

re: #1110 MandyManners

Mandy!

1115 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:15am

re: #1095 WriterMom

Well, I'd rather hear about her house hunting than her fucking yo yo dieting. Could there be many things LESS INTERESTING than that wretched woman's flab fluxuations?

BUTT CRACK JOKE.

1116 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:24am

Well, crap. It's going to be 64 degrees on Christmas Day. That's just not right.

/Central Arkansas... I was at least hoping for temps below 50 degrees, you should be able to wear a sweater on Christmas. Ugh.

1117 LilyGecko  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:34am

re: #1110 MandyManners

Here's another.

January's picture is weird...

1118 Kragar  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:43am

re: #1090 vxbush

Crikey. Looks like the keyboard on my personal laptop has gone bad. It's going to cost $250 to replace it *if* it's just the keyboard. If it's the wiring going to the keyboard, then it's time to call the insurance.

And I simply don't have the money to deal with this right now.

Wife's video card burned out about 2 weeks ago. Merry Christmas honey.

1119 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:45am

re: #1100 WriterMom

There was a unicorn farting, and this bloated dude was running around trying to tax and measure the farts at the same time...don't know what THAT was all about.

In my world...

1120 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:47am
1121 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:57am

re: #1112 Occasional Reader

And I just can't help but noticing... Georgetown? Chock full o' white folks, in a city that's 70%+ black. What's up with that, Oprah?

Same thing that's up with Jeremiah White and CBBHO in Chicago.

1122 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:37:57am

re: #1112 Occasional Reader

Racist!

1123 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:38:05am

re: #1109 jwb7605

Can't you buy a $15 USB keyboard and plug it in?

Yes, but I actually use my laptop as a portable laptop, emphasis on portable. Slogging around an extra keyboard isn't really feasible. And in talking to the tech there are other possible issues to contend with. Let's just say, I can't even have the battery in it right now because of potential damage that will happen.

What was the cause for all this, you may ask? A husband who wasn't paying attention and spilled his drink ON MY COMPUTER.

/grrr

1124 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:38:40am
1125 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:40:00am
1126 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:40:16am

re: #1114 WriterMom

Mandy!

I'm gonna' short-circuit my computer if I don't wipe up all this drool.

Oh, my stars and bars. THANK YOU!

1127 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:40:20am

re: #1101 yma o hyd

Beautiful!

Seems a bit of the fluffy, cold and white stuff is lying around ...

I-15 main north south artery
Elk Park
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

1128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:40:22am

re: #1108 Eowyn2

yep! I'm a Peyton fan (Cowboys first tho!)

1129 Macker  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:40:23am

re: #1123 vxbush

Hopefully, hubby won't be in the doghouse for long...especially if HE buys the keyboard!

1130 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:40:34am

re: #1107 LilyGecko

Thanks are due to the astronomers at the University of Southern California, they put up the high resolution web cam.

1131 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:40:46am

re: #1125 ploome hineni

I thought her boyfriend was Gayle...

1132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:03am

re: #1111 buzzsawmonkey

People in Congress making news with their man dates usually happens after they've served a few years.

Let's see how good you are at TV series trivia. What other Peoples had a "mandate" -- or, in what show?

1133 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:06am

re: #1123 vxbush

Yes, but I actually use my laptop as a portable laptop, emphasis on portable. Slogging around an extra keyboard isn't really feasible. And in talking to the tech there are other possible issues to contend with. Let's just say, I can't even have the battery in it right now because of potential damage that will happen.

What was the cause for all this, you may ask? A husband who wasn't paying attention and spilled his drink ON MY COMPUTER.

/grrr

My husband practically destroyed my laptop by installing all kinds of stuff on it that doesn't belong on a laptop, so I'm giving it to him.

/buying myself a brand-new one that NOBODY, but NOBODY touches except me.

1134 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:13am

re: #1129 Macker

Hopefully, hubby won't be in the doghouse for long...especially if HE buys the keyboard!

He can't. He doesn't work but takes care of our adult disabled son. So he knows he seriously screwed up and has no way to pay for it.

1135 AuntAcid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:23am

re: #1068 Kenneth

Sort of.. WriterMom works as a kind of guard at a prison cell block of hardened criminal dykes.

Plaids and stripes. Cool

1136 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:25am

re: #1123 vxbush

Yes, but I actually use my laptop as a portable laptop, emphasis on portable. Slogging around an extra keyboard isn't really feasible. And in talking to the tech there are other possible issues to contend with. Let's just say, I can't even have the battery in it right now because of potential damage that will happen.

What was the cause for all this, you may ask? A husband who wasn't paying attention and spilled his drink ON MY COMPUTER.

/grrr

This may sound like BS, but I've fixed a couple of laptops with generous applications of Everclear (the booze) in a spray bottle, aimed at the offending area.

The reason you use Everclear is because there are no "de-naturizing" contaminants in it.

1137 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:26am

re: #1117 LilyGecko

January's picture is weird...

Really? You could scrub his BDU's on his abs.

1138 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:30am

re: #1120 buzzsawmonkey

She wants people to come to her parties without armed escort.

But I thought violent crime in the US was all caused by rich, white suburban teen school spree-shooters?

1139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:43am

re: #1129 Macker

Hopefully, hubby won't be in the doghouse for long...especially if HE buys the keyboard!

Doghouse Commercial

1140 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:41:54am
1141 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:42:26am

re: #1110 MandyManners

Here's another.

I should get my sons, a couple of nephews and some their buddies together and make a calander. I could exploit them:)

1142 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:42:32am

re: #1136 jwb7605

This may sound like BS, but I've fixed a couple of laptops with generous applications of Everclear (the booze) in a spray bottle, aimed at the offending area.

The reason you use Everclear is because there are no "de-naturizing" contaminants in it.

I've taken the problematic keys off, cleaned underneath and used compressed air to blow it out, and no dice. The problem seems to be *under* the keys.

1143 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:42:59am

Gotta' run. bbl

1144 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:43:06am

re: #1139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Doghouse Commercial

My sister sent me that.

1145 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:43:38am

re: #1136 jwb7605

but I've fixed a couple of laptops with generous applications of Everclear (the booze) in a spray bottle, aimed at the offending area.

So booze really is the solution to our computers' problems?!

1146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:43:42am

re: #1141 Eowyn2

I should get my sons, a couple of nephews and some their buddies together and make a calander. I could exploit them:)

You can exploit me! (of course needs a pretty good size page)

Pasty white. No muscle definition.

CALM DOWN LADIES!

1147 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:43:56am

its easy to forgive a "good" man don't you think? re: #1134 vxbush

He can't. He doesn't work but takes care of our adult disabled son. So he knows he seriously screwed up and has no way to pay for it.

1148 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:43:57am

re: #1128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yep! I'm a Peyton fan (Cowboys first tho!)

you poor thing

1149 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:44:06am

re: #1146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can exploit me! (of course needs a pretty good size page)

Pasty white. No muscle definition.

CALM DOWN LADIES!

Okay, it's time to work today's crossword...

1150 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:44:41am

The New York Times on the McMinn County War of 1946:

"...quite obviously - though we hope erroneously - felt that there was no city, county, or State agency to whom they could turn for justice.

... "There is a warning for all of us in the occurrence...and above all a warning for the veterans of McMinn County, who also violated a fundamental principle of democracy when they arrogated to themselves the right of law enforcement for which they had no election mandate. Corruption, when and where it exists, demands reform, and even in the most corrupt and boss-ridden communities there are peaceful means by which reform can be achieved. But there is no substitute, in a democracy, for orderly process." (NYT, 3 Aug 1946, p. 14.)


Golly...what a surprise.

1151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:44:44am

re: #1144 vxbush

Funny commercial. I always tell my wife, "If I say something to you that can be taken two ways?... I MEANT THE GOOD ONE!"

1152 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:45:11am
1153 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:45:17am

re: #1147 apachegunner

its easy to forgive a "good" man don't you think?

I know it was an accident. I really do. But getting this machine for me was a big deal, because it was going to be *mine*. I could live with it better if I had screwed up, I suppose, but it just annoys me to no end as I watch my savings account dwindle with these kinds of stupid mistakes.

1154 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:46:51am

The growing storm
There is progress in Afghanistan, but the danger is increasing

1155 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:47:01am

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Under/over on "F" bombs - 6 1/2 minus 110.

1156 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:47:12am

re: #1127 Eowyn2

I-15 main north south artery
Elk Park
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

Nice!

Wish I could reciprocate - but its night now here in Wales, and the Snowdon webcam is in pitch darkness ...

1157 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:47:20am

re: #1146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can exploit me! (of course needs a pretty good size page)

Pasty white. No muscle definition.

CALM DOWN LADIES!

thats what airbrushes are for:)

1158 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:47:55am

re: #1114 WriterMom

Mandy!

Front cover, September, and October, YUM.

*hot flash* lol

1159 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:48:48am

re: #1145 Occasional Reader

So booze really is the solution to our computers' problems?!

Generally it takes less than the whole bottle on the computer.
When half a bottle on the PC fails ... :-)

1160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:49:34am

re: #1157 Eowyn2

thats what airbrushes and circus tents are for:)

1161 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:49:36am

re: #1154 Kenneth

The growing storm
There is progress in Afghanistan, but the danger is increasing

When you back a wild animal into a corner, the more dangerous it gets.
The trick is to make sure it stays in the corner and doesn't get around you.

1162 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:49:52am
1163 Macker  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:50:11am

re: #1139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OWOOO...

1164 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:50:16am

re: #1152 FrogMarch

Snatching Defeat From the Jaws of Victory. thanks, George.

Can we still get onboard the impeachment movement. This guy has become such a disappointment. He did keep us safe for the last 7 1/2 yrs though.

1165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:50:35am

re: #1163 Macker

heh

1166 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:50:49am
1167 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:51:37am

re: #1158 gop_patriot

Front cover, September, and October, YUM.

*hot flash* lol

i'll take June

1168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:51:38am

BBL

1169 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:52:04am

re: #1154 Kenneth

The growing storm
There is progress in Afghanistan, but the danger is increasing

I like this moonbat call and anti-idiotarian response from the comments section:

Call:

To paraphrase Sting, the Taliban love their children too.

I am shocked by what passes for cultural norms in tribal Afghanistan, but last time I checked, they didn’t ask for my opinion.

Response:

They didn’t ask for your opinion? I dunno. I rather think they demanded our opinion when they decided to host a gang of fundamentalist Islamist crackpots who went around blowing up embassies and office towers in various Western countries.

1170 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:52:06am

Morning/Evening Lizards. What's everyone talking about? Is aussie or crux in the house?

1171 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:52:19am

gosh, seems like a bunch of horney lizardettes in here! re: #1167 Eowyn2

1172 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:52:40am

re: #1162 Iron Fist

$5 million is a rounding error that wont be missed. /

1173 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:54:22am

re: #1167 Eowyn2

i'll take June

I always liked June as well, used to get all excited when she'd say "Geez Ward, you were a little rough on the beaver last night".

1174 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:55:01am

re: #1173 VegasRick

I always liked June as well, used to get all excited when she'd say "Geez Ward, you were a little rough on the beaver last night".


LOL

1175 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:55:13am

re: #1164 VegasRick

Can we still get onboard the impeachment movement. This guy has become such a disappointment. He did keep us safe for the last 7 1/2 yrs though.

The impeachement movement is filled with idiots like Glen Greenwald (socky sock puppet) and excitable Andy. So I won't be climbing on board that crazy train. Bush is a mixed bag. Like you say - he has kept us safe, but this last move is really bad. It should make the pro-UAW crowd happy. (which are the democrats)
ironic.

1176 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:55:19am

Later.

1177 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:56:20am

re: #1175 FrogMarch

The impeachement movement is filled with idiots like Glen Greenwald (socky sock puppet) and excitable Andy. So I won't be climbing on board that crazy train. Bush is a mixed bag. Like you say - he has kept us safe, but this last move is really bad. It should make the pro-UAW crowd happy. (which are the democrats)
ironic.

and idiotic.

1178 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:56:27am

This is not the Taliban that we all know and love.

“The work of life and hope continues in Afghanistan. So does the work of unimaginable savagery. Each task has drawn practitioners of uncommon dedication. Even today, seven years into this mess, it is not clear who is winning. If victory has any decent meaning, we are nowhere close to being able to claim it. And a very dangerous year lies just ahead. Afghans will elect a new government in 2009. The Taliban and other insurgents will try to stop the voting. Drug lords will try to corrupt it. And a massive influx of American troops, perhaps 20,000 by 2010, will mark the arrival of a new American president determined to tip the balance of a stalemated war.

Even soldiers who eagerly await the arrival of U.S. reinforcements worry about what will happen when they arrive. Many—though certainly not all—believe the level of violence will skyrocket in the short term and that the heart of the carnage will be the country’s south, including Kandahar, where most of the soldiers in the Canadian deployment are already stationed. It may be salutary violence; perhaps this war needs to get worse before it gets better. But one U.S. general put it this way,

"If you put three brigades in the heart of the Pashtun south, the insurgents are gonna come from Baluchistan, they’re gonna come from far and wide. And you’re going to see a level of violence that we have not seen in a long time. This is not the Taliban that we all know and love. You know, one little IED [improvised explosive device] takes a wheel off a vehicle, everybody gets bumped up but they’re all okay. You’re going to be seeing world-class IEDs. You’re going to be seeing [rocket-propelled grenade] fire that is incredibly accurate. You’re going to be seeing mortar fire that is incredibly accurate. And my belief is, you’re going to see new weapons introduced into the theatre.”

1179 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:56:36am

Goodnight to {everyone} from Down Under, and have a great yesterday!

1180 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:57:18am

Bush is only delaying the inevitable.

1181 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:57:42am

re: #1179 aussiemagpie

Goodnight to {everyone} from Down Under, and have a great yesterday!

Hey aussie you still here?

1182 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:57:43am

This is really bad news.

Card check = cripple non-union industry with pay-to-play democrat pay back mission.

1183 Kragar  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:57:59am

re: #1180 Hard Right

Bush is only delaying the inevitable.

Going for the dubious "They didn't go under on MY watch!" honor.

1184 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:58:41am

re: #1175 FrogMarch

The impeachement movement is filled with idiots like Glen Greenwald (socky sock puppet) and excitable Andy. So I won't be climbing on board that crazy train. Bush is a mixed bag. Like you say - he has kept us safe, but this last move is really bad. It should make the pro-UAW crowd happy. (which are the democrats)
ironic.

Bush lost me with immigration. I like the guy, and think he was a decent POTUS, but the immigration thing . . . Ugh!

1185 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:58:45am

re: #1180 Hard Right

Bush is only delaying the inevitable.

I agree.
Legacy Preservation.
Doesn't want to go out with GM and Chrysler going under.

He's really leaving the problem for Barry.

Kind of surprising to me. that's not the Bush I knew

1186 gop_patriot  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:58:53am

I should have asked for this for Christmas. I'm sure my hubby would have run right out and bought me one. Oh well, there's still Valentine's Day.

1187 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:58:54am

Shoe throwing: the latest craze in journalism...
Journalist Throws Boot At Ukrainian Pro-NATO Speaker.

I can't wait for Bill ORielly and Chris Matthews to start doing this.

1188 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:58:57am

re: #1182 FrogMarch

This is really bad news.

Card check = cripple non-union industry with pay-to-play democrat pay back mission.


"Employee Free Choice Act" has got to be one of the more Orwellian names I've heard recently for legislation - and there have been a lot to compete with.

1189 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:59:03am

Sorry about that, all you Roman Catholics:

Wales’ rugby Grand Slams linked to papal deaths!


(Ahem - its a bit tongue-in-cheek, see, and we will effen well go on winning as many Grand Slams a we possibly can!)

1190 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:59:27am

re: #1169 Occasional Reader

good catch. The moonbat actually quoted Sting? Now there's an authority. Oh, my Sting says the Taliban love children, so never mind the 13 year old they used to blow up a "suicide" bomb on a bunch of UK troops last week, they loved that child!

1191 DaddyG  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:59:28am

re: #1185 Shug

I agree.
Legacy Preservation.
Doesn't want to go out with GM and Chrysler going under.

He's really leaving the problem for Barry.

Kind of surprising to me. that's not the Bush I knew


Is Bush throwing BHO under the bus manufacturer?

1192 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:59:39am

re: #1182 FrogMarch

This is really bad news.

Card check = cripple non-union industry with pay-to-play democrat pay back mission.

And it wil be the death of business...

1193 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:59:44am
1194 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:59:52am

re: #1187 Killgore Trout

Shoe throwing: the latest craze in journalism...
Journalist Throws Boot At Ukrainian Pro-NATO Speaker.

I can't wait for Bill ORielly and Chris Matthews to start doing this.


O'reilly willl throw a loofah
Whatever Matthews throws will be thrown like a girl

1195 Hard Right  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 8:59:52am

re: #1183 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Going for the dubious "They didn't go under on MY watch!" honor.

Exactly. The left will still blame him, yet they give Clinton a full pass on 9/11.

1196 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:00:05am

re: #1187 Killgore Trout

Shoe throwing: the latest craze in journalism...
Journalist Throws Boot At Ukrainian Pro-NATO Speaker.

I can't wait for Bill ORielly and Chris Matthews to start doing this.


Well, if anyone needs a boot to the head, it's Chrissy Matthews.

1197 AuntAcid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:00:07am

re: #1173 VegasRick

I always liked June as well, used to get all excited when she'd say "Geez Ward, you were a little rough on the beaver last night".

Walking funny was she?

1198 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:00:31am

re: #1197 AuntAcid

Walking funny was she?

Like a ladder

1199 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:00:41am

what you said re: #1184 Wyatt Earp

1200 Shug  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:00:44am

re: #1169 Occasional Reader

the taliban do love their children...in a NAMBLA sort of way

1201 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:00:56am

re: #1191 DaddyG

Is Bush throwing BHO under the bus manufacturer?

Instant updings! (meaning I wasn't "first", or some variation, etc)

1202 VegasRick  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:01:06am

re: #1180 Hard Right

Bush is only delaying the inevitable.

With $17B of our money. The poor UAW workers are going to be out of work for the holidays, a month without working! (oh , and at 95% of their normal pay). You folks all get that as well, right?
Screw Bush on this giveaway.

1203 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:01:45am

Global warming run amok

Lookout Pass (I-90)

[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

McDonald Pass (hwy 287)
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

Homestake Pass (I-90)
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

Boulder Hill (I-15)
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

1204 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:02:50am

re: #1203 Eowyn2

Global warming run amok

Lookout Pass (I-90)

[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

McDonald Pass (hwy 287)
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

Homestake Pass (I-90)
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

Boulder Hill (I-15)
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

City of Milwaukee: Traveling Snowcam

1205 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:03:42am
1206 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:04:11am

re: #1188 DaddyG

"Employee Free Choice Act" has got to be one of the more Orwellian names I've heard recently for legislation - and there have been a lot to compete with.

They hit it hard in Colorado. The entire "Employee Free Choice Act" campaign was a hall of mirrors-- masking the true colors of the agenda behind firemen and teachers. The dems used emotional blackmail and half-truths to sell their anti-business snake oil. and it worked.

The democrats do know how to fool the politically uneducated. (which is an unfortunate majority)

1207 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:04:21am

re: #1204 Creeping Eruption

City of Milwaukee: Traveling Snowcam


LOL I think its stuck

1208 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:04:35am

re: #1171 apachegunner

gosh, seems like a bunch of horney lizardettes in here!

Its been a couple years. A girl can dream!
Besides, he has a bit of a Gary Sinese thing going.

1209 Golem Akbar  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:04:36am

Good morning, Lizards, and gutn morgn/boker tov to the Lizardim out dorten.

1210 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:04:55am

re: #1192 tfc3rid

And it wil be the death of business...

It will. Just what we need in a failing economy.

1211 noraono  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:05:18am

According to Lileks, Franken up 63...

1212 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:05:33am

re: #1202 VegasRick

With $17B of our money. The poor UAW workers are going to be out of work for the holidays, a month without working! (oh , and at 95% of their normal pay). You folks all get that as well, right?
Screw Bush on this giveaway.

This is treasonous.

This is outside the bounds of the constitution.

And it's not just GB, he is just the most recent and the one who I didn't expect to be doing this.

But nobody cares.

1213 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:05:37am

re: #1211 noraono

According to Lileks, Franken up 63...

Son of a bitch.

1214 lostlakehiker  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:06:02am

re: #19 Mr. E. Train

But thats why they do suicide attacks. They KNOW they are losers and the only way they'll get the hot chicks (72 virgins), the big house and bling (the high holy whore house in Allahs hood) is to strap on the vest and 'splode themselves in a group of infidels.

When your entire nation/culture looks like the worse burnt out ghetto in watts, you never see a woman that isnt your mom/sister/wife, there isnt a decent job to be had for love or money and every authority figure around you yammers on and on about how the best thing you can do is be a martyr... Hell, I might 'splode myself to!

It's not actually that bad. Life goes on, somehow. Young folk find a way to flirt, folk with a sense of dignity find a way to live dignified lives, and there is work to be done if you're willing to demean yourself by working. The suicide attackers of 9/11 weren't from the Gaza strip. They weren't from any run down burnt out place. They were from oil-solvent Saudi Arabia, mostly. They could have settled into sinecures, raised a family, and lived normal decent human lives.

They decided to send themselves to hell, and thousands of victims to wherever they would end up; but in this world, they just killed a lot of people and touched off a war. They had alternatives.

1215 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:06:28am

re: #1211 noraono

According to Lileks, Franken up 63...


Clicked the link: Franken up 102.

It's a mandate fer sure, fer sure!

1216 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #1203 Eowyn2

More here in Salt Lake...

1217 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:06:39am

re: #1207 Creeping Eruption

LOL I think its stuck

That can happen when you get that much wet, heavy snow.

1218 hermit  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:06:48am

re: #1189 yma o hyd

Ahhhahahahahahhaaa! Good morning, Lizards!

Oh, how loverly...schools are closed, morning sun illuminating the snow,...awesome bookmarked links of handsome fellas (Thanks Mandy & Mom!) and now a little welsh chuckler to really wake me up (yma!)

What a great way to start the DAY! [for a hermit anyway... a celibate hermit]

1219 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:07:16am

re: #1207 Creeping Eruption

LOL I think its stuck

I couldnt bring it up. Is it up to its armpits in snow?
Its about 5 below here right now.

1220 yma o hyd  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:07:21am

re: #1206 FrogMarch

They hit it hard in Colorado. The entire "Employee Free Choice Act" campaign was a hall of mirrors-- masking the true colors of the agenda behind firemen and teachers. The dems used emotional blackmail and half-truths to sell their anti-business snake oil. and it worked.

The democrats do know how to fool the politically uneducated. (which is an unfortunate majority)

Yep - democrats/NuLab, all neo-stalinists.

It'll take about ten years of full-on, industrial strength neo-stalinist rule before people will become 'educated' as to what they've let themselves in for ...

For the sake of your great country, I hope the people learn a bit faster than the lot here in the UK.

1221 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:07:28am

re: #1217 Honorary Yooper

That can happen when you get that much wet, heavy snow.

It was a bitch. I was out at 5:00 am for two hours to get ahead of it. Driving to work was surreal with the whiteout conditions. Very beautiful.

1222 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:07:57am

re: #1210 FrogMarch

It will. Just what we need in a failing economy.

I personally have spoken with two people who own a small manuafacuring business who will lose if they have to Unionize the shop.

1223 noraono  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:08:25am

re: #1215 jwb7605

re: #1213 Wyatt Earp


I love the Lileks tweets because they're normally irreverant...today's have been depressing.

1224 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:08:33am

re: #1219 Eowyn2

I couldnt bring it up. Is it up to its armpits in snow?
Its about 5 below here right now.

about a Foot of snow since midnight. 20-30 mph winds. Not cold at all - about 28-30 degrees.

1225 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:08:49am

Corruption in Afghanistan

Some Western authorities still doubt the good faith of President Hamid Karzai’s government in training the police. “You get all the Afghan leadership together, from Karzai on down,” one senior NATO officer said. “Put ’em in Ghazi stadium [Kabul’s main athletic venue] and ask them, ‘Do you want a competent, professional, dedicated police force?’ And give them some sort of truth serum. My guess is that fewer than 30 per cent of them would say yes. Shaking down a corrupt police force is how these guys make their money. People say, ‘Clean up the police.’ It’s a cop-out. We need to clean up the government.”

1226 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:08:55am

re: #1180 Hard Right

Bush is only delaying the inevitable.

He just kicked the can down the road to Obama... The only thing that will fix the American auto industry is restructuring of the expense side of the income statement.

1227 vxbush  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:09:11am

Okay, some of the ice has melted, and it looks like I can help the hubby clear off the driveway. Later, folks.

1228 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:09:19am

re: #1223 noraono

re: #1213 Wyatt Earp


I love the Lileks tweets because they're normally irreverant...today's have been depressing.

Depressing, but not surprising. Why Coleman is not making a stink out of these ballots boggles the mind. Apparently, the GOP has lost its mind . . . and its fight.

1229 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:09:38am

re: #1211 noraono

According to Lileks, Franken up 63...

Man, he should have found

1230 tfc3rid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:10:05am

re: #1226 eschew_obfuscation

He just kicked the can down the road to Obama... The only thing that will fix the American auto industry is restructuring of the expense side of the income statement.

It will never happen with the 2009-2011 configuration of the US Congress and Executive branch..

1231 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:10:06am

re: #1228 Wyatt Earp

Depressing, but not surprising. Why Coleman is not making a stink out of these ballots boggles the mind. Apparently, the GOP has lost its mind . . . and its fight.

He did. These are Colman's challenged ballots. They are rejecting his challenges.

1232 noraono  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:10:06am

re: #1228 Wyatt Earp

It's a scary thing when people lose the will to fight.

This whole deal makes me want to scream!

1233 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:10:41am

re: #1178 Kenneth

one U.S. general put it this way,

"If you put three brigades in the heart of the Pashtun south, the insurgents are gonna come from Baluchistan, they’re gonna come from far and wide. And you’re going to see a level of violence that we have not seen in a long time. This is not the Taliban that we all know and love. You know, one little IED [improvised explosive device] takes a wheel off a vehicle, everybody gets bumped up but they’re all okay. You’re going to be seeing world-class IEDs. You’re going to be seeing [rocket-propelled grenade] fire that is incredibly accurate. You’re going to be seeing mortar fire that is incredibly accurate. And my belief is, you’re going to see new weapons introduced into the theatre.”

Who is this anonymously quoted U.S. general in this Maclean's article?
Is this alleged quote from one of those retired back-biting generals?
Please pardon my skepticism.

1234 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:10:43am

re: #1231 Creeping Eruption

He did. These are Colman's challenged ballots. They are rejecting his challenges.

I DECLARE SHENANIGANS!

1235 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:10:54am

re: #1228 Wyatt Earp

Depressing, but not surprising. Why Coleman is not making a stink out of these ballots boggles the mind. Apparently, the GOP has lost its mind . . . and its fight.

When the "judges" accept a vote from the primary, what's the point?

1236 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:11:07am

re: #1218 hermit

Ahhhahahahahahhaaa! Good morning, Lizards!

Oh, how loverly...schools are closed, morning sun illuminating the snow,...awesome bookmarked links of handsome fellas (Thanks Mandy & Mom!) and now a little welsh chuckler to really wake me up (yma!)

What a great way to start the DAY! [for a hermit anyway... a celibate hermit]


the schools there have snow days? wow, you must be in vegas or something.

1237 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:12:09am

re: #1229 Eowyn2

Man, he should have found


what happend to the rest of my post.

1238 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:12:15am

re: #1230 tfc3rid

It will never happen with the 2009-2011 configuration of the US Congress and Executive branch..

Sadly, I think you're right. But with bond rates near zero, how much more will we be able to borrow from the Chinese to prop them up?

1239 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:12:26am

re: #1236 Eowyn2

the schools there have snow days? wow, you must be in vegas or something.

Everything but my office is closed today.

1240 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:12:33am

re: #1221 Creeping Eruption

It was a bitch. I was out at 5:00 am for two hours to get ahead of it. Driving to work was surreal with the whiteout conditions. Very beautiful.

We didn't get so much snow SW of Chicago, as we did sleet and ice. Saw 1/2 inch of ice on the trees and plants this morning, about a quarter after 5 when I attempted to shovel the walks. I say "attempted" because there was no way to remove the inch or so of sleet and ice on the sidewalks without a jackhammer.

Then, an hour later, the power went out. Wound up staying home until it came back on around 9:30. The trip in was easy, as it was after the dipsticks were off the expressway. :-)

1241 JumpLandPackRepeat  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:13:05am

So now someone's trying to give a vote to Franken where the oval was filled in and then very obviously X'd out...stating that the X is there to put EMPHASIS on the fact that they want to vote for Franken. WTF? Luckily, it did go to Coleman. Wow.

1242 jorline  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:13:28am

Captain, GM and Chrysler fell overboard...man overboard!

Quick...someone fetch a pail and start bailing.

Patching a sinking ship with our tax money.

1243 hermit  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:13:31am

re: #1236 Eowyn2

the schools there have snow days? wow, you must be in vegas or something.

Not a hermit in the desert! Pacific NW, Island...we never see much snow that sticks. Probably had 10 snow days in the last ten years.

1244 LGoPs  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:13:43am

re: #1206 FrogMarch

They hit it hard in Colorado. The entire "Employee Free Choice Act" campaign was a hall of mirrors-- masking the true colors of the agenda behind firemen and teachers. The dems used emotional blackmail and half-truths to sell their anti-business snake oil. and it worked.

The democrats do know how to fool the politically uneducated. (which is an unfortunate majority)

The key to winning is to capture the language - and use emotional terms that resonate with people. It doesn't matter what the underlying content is. This capitalizes on the fact that most people are paying scant attention. A classic Stalinist technique and the Libs are masters of it. Unless we figure out how to do the same, we lose...

1245 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:13:52am

re: #1240 Honorary Yooper

We didn't get so much snow SW of Chicago, as we did sleet and ice. Saw 1/2 inch of ice on the trees and plants this morning, about a quarter after 5 when I attempted to shovel the walks. I say "attempted" because there was no way to remove the inch or so of sleet and ice on the sidewalks without a jackhammer.

Then, an hour later, the power went out. Wound up staying home until it came back on around 9:30. The trip in was easy, as it was after the dipsticks were off the expressway. :-)

I saw that you guys got lots of sleet. That sucks. It has been pure snow up here in Wisconsin.

1246 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:14:28am
1247 Buck  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:14:40am

re: #1162 Iron Fist

I'm only asking for $5 million. That's not enough money for them to miss it when it is given to me.

With your taste for American Steel, I suggest you go for 6 million. You are probably gonna need it.

I kinda like the idea of China needing our economy to be doing well. They need us to continue to make payments on our debt, and buy goods. It is crucial for them for us to do well. They are a supplier, we are the customer...

1248 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:15:45am

Ah, it's just a bit of global warming coming down. Nothing to see here.

1249 AuntAcid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:15:52am

re: #1226 eschew_obfuscation

He just kicked the can down the road to Obama... The only thing that will fix the American auto industry is restructuring of the expense side of the income statement.

Obama is the only one with a magic stick.

1250 apachegunner  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:16:44am

re: #1249 AuntAcid


Obama is the only one with a magic stick.


shouldn't that be "schtick"?

1251 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:18:25am

re: #1247 Buck

With your taste for American Steel, I suggest you go for 6 million. You are probably gonna need it.

I kinda like the idea of China needing our economy to be doing well. They need us to continue to make payments on our debt, and buy goods. It is crucial for them for us to do well. They are a supplier, we are the customer...

Yours is a point many seem to miss. As with the Chinese, the oil ticks need us as much or more than we need them. If the Chinese were to call in our debt, they would collapse their own economy. And shaky as it is, our economy is still one of the strongest in the world. You can feel the panic from OPEC now as they struggle to keep the price of a barrel up.

1252 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:19:54am
1253 jwb7605  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:21:45am

New thread looks interesting.
Bye all.

1254 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:26:47am

re: #1233 Spare O'Lake

My guess is the general being quoted is in Afghanistan. And I think the description of the coming year is accurate. As the war in Iraq is winding down, many AQ terrorists are making their way to Afghanistan. We have already seen an increase in the numbers of Arab fighters there, and of more sophisticated IEDs. The total number of attacks is increasing.

I don't think stinking your head in the sand is a winning strategy.

1255 AuntAcid  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:28:44am

re: #1250 apachegunner

shouldn't that be "schtick"?

'Tis better to be poked with a schtick. So yes.

1256 FrogMarch  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:29:05am

re: #1244 LGoPs

The key to winning is to capture the language - and use emotional terms that resonate with people. It doesn't matter what the underlying content is. This capitalizes on the fact that most people are paying scant attention. A classic Stalinist technique and the Libs are masters of it. Unless we figure out how to do the same, we lose...

You got it.

1257 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:32:09am
1258 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:55:29am
1259 Eowyn2  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:55:31am

re: #1189 yma o hyd

Sorry about that, all you Roman Catholics:

Wales’ rugby Grand Slams linked to papal deaths!


(Ahem - its a bit tongue-in-cheek, see, and we will effen well go on winning as many Grand Slams a we possibly can!)

kinda like Death is the major cause of Death?

1260 Empire1  Fri, Dec 19, 2008 11:27:57am

re: #951 MandyManners

I think learning to speak Esperanto just for these folks would be worth the effort.

I'd be delighted to help anyone who wants to learn it! "Ne blagu al mi!" just before hanging up is one useful phrase.

If feeling particularly strongly about it, you can substitute "blagaĉu" or "mensogu" for "blagu".

1261 Sheepdogess  Sun, Dec 21, 2008 10:12:41am

And then there is this idiot...
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Don't ask, don't tell?


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