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I'm a former Lodge Junior Deacon, as well as a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason and a York Rite Knight Templar. So I've pretty much seen the entire Masonic world from the inside, and know all the "secrets" (not revealing anything here, but they essentially concern how we identify ourselves to each other.)
My question for Mr. Yahya: How the hell can we Freemasons run the world, if we can't even figure out how much to charge dues for our members?
The Freemason thing is in some of their paperwork... charters or something. I never heard of them before I read that. Kiwanis, Rotary, Civitan, ok. But never came across Freemasons.
Usually I stay out of ID/Evolution threads, but Mr. Yahya's promotion of hoary anti-Freemasony canards pretty much shows where he's coming from, and I had to comment.
Freemason kookery is as weird as it gets, I stumbled across a whack job site today that detailed their "secret handshakes". It was a long crazy series of photos of celebrities, religious leaders, and world leaders shaking hands... the slightest odd position in grip in the photo was explained.
Usually I stay out of ID/Evolution threads, but Mr. Yahya's promotion of hoary anti-Freemasony canards pretty much shows where he's coming from, and I had to comment.
This is an ID thread? I thought it was a civic organization thread. Ok then. TTFN.
Freemason kookery is as weird as it gets, I stumbled across a whack job site today that detailed their "secret handshakes". It was a long crazy series of photos of celebrities, religious leaders, and world leaders shaking hands... the slightest odd position in grip in the photo was explained.
Trying to throw us off...
You must be one of THEM!
If I'm going to join a conspiracy, I'd want something out of it, and I seem to recall the freemasons had some darn good stuff stored somewhere under...oops, was it Boston or Philadelphia? Anyway, I'll join if I can get one of those lovely statues they had stashed down there for my front hall.
/Or cookies. Do freemasons do cookies?
On a serious note, my grandfather was a mason. My mother still has his ring.
And the anti-Freemasonry stuff becomes less amusing when one considers that historically it's usually been associated with anti-Semitism. A particular strain of the latter delusion sees the Craft as a front for International Zionism -- a way to seduce good Gentile men into devious cabbalistic activities under the guise of "brotherhood" and community work.
The only problem is, if you meet people who are into conspiracy theory, they actually believe that.
It tends to fill me with gloom. It also makes me seriously paranoid - they're the sort of people who will someday go off their rockers in a dangerous way.
Emmmie, I take it you're female? That disqualifies you from membership in regular Masonry, although I suppose you could get into Eastern Star if you married a Brother. However, the Theosophical Society runs something called "Co-Masonry," which is a coed version of what we do. It's not recognized as legit by regular Masons, but is still historically and ritualistically interesting, and I have a couple of pals who are involved.
Before you know it, we won't know which way to look, so many secret organizations are out to get us!
Not a surprise. The Morlocks were mining and supplying those organizations with massive quantities of Administranium and Obtuseium. When we made the gamey buttocks of Morlocks a regular part of the lizard army diet, we cut into those organizations supplies. Ever since then they've been out to get us. :)
Trying to throw us off...
You must be one of THEM!
*cue eerie music*
Ok you asked for it, it was written by this Texe Marrs Freakazoid:
The Mattel Toy Co.
In March 1997, Texe Marrs stated:
“ Even our children are being stealthily indoctrinated into the new faith... The Mattel Toy Co. has introduced its new 'Goddess of the Sun' Barbie doll. Is this the Whore of Babylon spirit, alive and with us today? ”
[edit] New International Version of the Bible
In August 1997, he claimed that the New International Version of the Bible is a feminist book for the New Age.
[edit] American government and the FBI
In a Power of Prophecy radio program on Feb 16, 2008 in a show title, The Rise of the Illuminati Psychopaths and The Savage Horror of America’s Coming Gloom, Marrs states that the FBI shoots people's pets such as was the case at Ruby Ridge. He also claimed that the USA lies about terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and further hinted that the American government could be making up bombing incidents in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom.[2]
Marrs is quoted as saying from the program, The Rise of the Illuminati Psychopaths and The Savage Horror of America’s Coming Gloom show:
“ America is a psycopathic nation[2] ”
“ A church can become dysfunctional because a psycopath gains control, and it's not always the pastor...soon the whole church goes insane[2]
Ah, the great Texe Marrs - the David Icke of Know-Nothing fundamentalism.
That last paragraph sounds like it could have been written by any left-wing moonbat during the last eight years, which is a great example of the "moronic convergence" of political paranoia.
And the anti-Freemasonry stuff becomes less amusing when one considers that historically it's usually been associated with anti-Semitism. A particular strain of the latter delusion sees the Craft as a front for International Zionism -- a way to seduce good Gentile men into devious cabbalistic activities under the guise of "brotherhood" and community work.
Hey, Texe Marrs, professional Kookspiricist, says they don't hate the jews, they want to save them:
John Hagee
On the Power of Prophecy radio program show on Feb 23, 2008 titled, “Jesus Is Not Israel's Messiah”—A Profile of John Hagee, Marrs criticized televangelist John Hagee for his claims that Jesus is not the Jewish messiah with these statements:
“ He may be possessed by Satan[3] ”
“ Most of these fakers have diploma mill [degrees][3] ”
“ His books are ghost written[3] ”
“ John Hagee is a faker[3] ”
Marrs also claimed on that show that John Hagee is a false prophet, part of the Judaizer movement, an apostate and an Antichrist. He also stated that Hagee attacks the word of God and is in bed with Jews, Lucifer, Satan, and the serpent.
The only problem is, if you meet people who are into conspiracy theory, they actually believe that.
It tends to fill me with gloom. It also makes me seriously paranoid - they're the sort of people who will someday go off their rockers in a dangerous way.
Very true, what cracks me up the most is, the lack of evidence of a conspiracy is evidence!
You need to follow the flawed logic.
1. If you don't believe the literal reading of The Bible Or the Koran, you are not a true believer.
2. If you re not a believer, you don't have a moral compass.
3. If you don't have a moral compass, you'll do bad things.
4. If you can do bad things, you blow up people.
Of course you have to factor in that more people have been killed because of their faith or lack there of in the equation. Go back to the dark ages and have this debate and meet your friend the rack.
Sorry Mikalm, wrong kookspiracy quote lunacy above, here's the right part:
Marrs has been accused of being anti-Catholic,[5][6] critical of Freemasonry[6][7], and the New Age movement[6]. His critics, like Edward L. King[7], have accused him of anti-Semitism[7]. Marrs' website offers copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion for sale, saying:
“ The Illuminati's March of Death as I call it was revealed in advance in the satanically prophetic textbook of terror called The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Read what the Zionist monsters said they were going to do.[8] ”
Texe Marrs denies harboring anti-Semitic views. In his video, Thunder Over Zion, he states:
“ If we hated the Jews, we wouldn't want to see them in Heaven with us, would we? We'd want to see them go to Hell. But it's the Christian who truly loves the Jews, who truly wants the best for them. And that's why we preach to the Jews, as well as to gentiles.
Well, Lizards, Sir Knight and Prince of the Royal Secret MikalM, 32nd Degree, has to make an important phone call (gotta chat with the Bros about that Federal Reserve thing, as well as that new war we're cooking up.) I'll check back later on you cowan jokers!
The name Texe Marrs seemed familiar, so I want into my library. Turns out I have Dark Secrets of the New Age , probably given to me 20 years ago by a Bircher. It's useful to know something about the fringe so one can refute outlandish claims.
Can we get a flowchart or something going so I can keep track of all the conspiracies out there.
Just yesterday I was told by a woman that the entire financial situation was created by the Jews so the could buy up the US and turn it into a new Israel. That way they can have a second base to try and take over the world from.
Now I find out its the dang Freemasons! Are the Jews part of the Freemasons? Like some sort of AAA farm club for global conspiracies? ? I'm so fucking confused...
Hizbullah's been busy in Lebanon indoctrinating hatred of Israel and the US.
Meanwhile, things must be so tough in Gaza that the kids are busy playing with radio controlled toys. I'm sure Hamas or Islamic Jihad will find a way to exploit that rather innocent activity and use it for their terror purposes before long.
Can we get a flowchart or something going so I can keep track of all the conspiracies out there.
Just yesterday I was told by a woman that the entire financial situation was created by the Jews so the could buy up the US and turn it into a new Israel. That way they can have a second base to try and take over the world from.
Now I find out its the dang Freemasons! Are the Jews part of the Freemasons? Like some sort of AAA farm club for global conspiracies? ? I'm so fucking confused...
Oh yeah! When the market crashed, 4000 Jooos on Wall St stayed home and shorted the S&P!
Can we get a flowchart or something going so I can keep track of all the conspiracies out there.
Just yesterday I was told by a woman that the entire financial situation was created by the Jews so the could buy up the US and turn it into a new Israel. That way they can have a second base to try and take over the world from.
Now I find out its the dang Freemasons! Are the Jews part of the Freemasons? Like some sort of AAA farm club for global conspiracies? ? I'm so fucking confused...
80 to 90 percent of these tie back to White Nationalism, and "It's da jooos" that's all ya gotta remember :)
I don't think a single Christian believes the Bible in its entirety should be read literally. There is much poetic and allegoric language. For example, when Jesus is quoted as saying "I am the door" - a literal reading is that he is made of wood. I believe you painted with too broad a brush, which is also a trait of the extremist fringe.
Half the Supreme Court is filled with Freemasons. That's why the Nirth Certifikit case went no where. The other half is filled with Darwinists. It was doomed from the beginning. Can't you all see that?!
Anyone come across that silly Fisher Price "Islam is the light" doll kookspiracy that's been doing the rounds lately? The usual suspects were all over it, needless to say. I found this apparently racist preacher bellyaching about it here.
What's interesting about this serious nutjob is that he's from Austin, and a lot of our serious repeatedly whacked socks are from Austin.
Please clue me in on the "nut job from Austin" And I am not being sarcastic. I spent a week with my aunt, who lives just north of Austin, the week after Thanksgiving. It was not the same person I lived with 20 years ago! lol.
Half the Supreme Court is filled with Freemasons. That's why the Nirth Certifikit case went no where. The other half is filled with Darwinists. It was doomed from the beginning. Can't you all see that?!
The Freemasons are holding Obama's nirth certifikit in a special vault in area 51.
That's a guy who knows how to follow the stoopids around. A sucker born every minute, and he'll be right there with the Barnum&Bailey to sell them their snake oil.
Please clue me in on the "nut job from Austin" And I am not being sarcastic. I spent a week with my aunt, who lives just north of Austin, the week after Thanksgiving. It was not the same person I lived with 20 years ago! lol.
I'm talking about Texe Marr, a Freemasonry conspiracy nut, he's full bull goose loon, you can get a copy of the protocols of the elders of zion off his site for instance.
A while back I found a weird ass site that said all symbols were from the devil. That was some whacked out sh*t, because I mean every symbol. They even gave reasons why each specific symbols was from the devil. There's some really nutty sh*t out there.
Harun has a whole chapter even in this nascent work dedicated to the collapse of Evolution, from which he says all spiritual evil comes... now that sounds darned familiar.
A while back I found a weird ass site that said all symbols were from the devil. That was some whacked out sh*t, because I mean every symbol. They even gave reasons why each specific symbols was from the devil. There's some really nutty sh*t out there.
You mean, all symbols, including the Magen David, Cross, Crescent, swastika, and Hello Kitty?
Is nothing sacred?
Look, now, I'm looking at my schedule, and I'm just booked up with these conspiracies.
Monday night we've got the special meeting of the Freemasons on the motion to raise the price of argyle socks.
Tuesday night we've got the regular meeting of the nirth certifikit holders, and I really do think it is someone else's turn to hide the real birth certificate in their tupperware for a while. I don't mean to complain, but it's been three weeks now!
Wednesday night is the annual mixer between the Cloud Elders and the Knights of Doppler, and I really don't mind bringing the punch, but is Sue really going to bring those awful cookies with the green frosting? Could someone talk to her?
Thursday is my alien group, and while the photos are quite lovely, and our guests always so charming, it does go late. If those dear creatures from the Sirius system don't get rest, why they'll just get jet lag.
Friday is our date night. I really do insist. We're doubling with Elvis and Amelia to the bowling alley.
Saturday is, as always, reserved for the VRWC group. We'll be working on growing some cultures from that tissue BHO left behind. I do hope Marge remembers to pick up the blue dress.
Sunday I will have to insist on getting some sleep. Really. All of this conspiracizing is just wearing me out!
Our soon to be president has chosen Elizabeth Alexander to write and read a poem for the inauguration. Alexander is a professor of African American studies at Yale.
Her poetry is as lightweight as her scholarship. Her poems fluctuate between maudlin ramblings about being a woman -- like these opening lines from "Neonatology":
Is
funky, is
leaky, is
a soggy, bloody crotch, is
sharp jets of breast milk shot straight across the room,
is gaudy, mustard-colored poop, is
postpartum tears that soak the baby's lovely head.
Then everything dries and disappears
Then everything dries and disappears
Look, now, I'm looking at my schedule, and I'm just booked up with these conspiracies.
Monday night we've got the special meeting of the Freemasons on the motion to raise the price of argyle socks.
Tuesday night we've got the regular meeting of the nirth certifikit holders, and I really do think it is someone else's turn to hide the real birth certificate in their tupperware for a while. I don't mean to complain, but it's been three weeks now!
Wednesday night is the annual mixer between the Cloud Elders and the Knights of Doppler, and I really don't mind bringing the punch, but is Sue really going to bring those awful cookies with the green frosting? Could someone talk to her?
Thursday is my alien group, and while the photos are quite lovely, and our guests always so charming, it does go late. If those dear creatures from the Sirius system don't get rest, why they'll just get jet lag.
Friday is our date night. I really do insist. We're doubling with Elvis and Amelia to the bowling alley.
Saturday is, as always, reserved for the VRWC group. We'll be working on growing some cultures from that tissue BHO left behind. I do hope Marge remembers to pick up the blue dress.
Sunday I will have to insist on getting some sleep. Really. All of this conspiracizing is just wearing me out!
Hi Lynn B! I owe you a thanks. A while back I mentioned I was going to talk about hannukah to my cubs and you mentioned latkes as a traditional recipe. Went over great.
Hi Lynn B! I owe you a thanks. A while back I mentioned I was going to talk about hannukah to my cubs and you mentioned latkes as a traditional recipe. Went over great.
Thanks!
You're most welcome EmmieG. They're a delicious part of the holiday! I'm so glad your cubs enjoyed them.
That's another common one -- that we control the judicial bench. It pops up in the strangest places, too. Ex: during his trial, Charles Manson made a big deal of throwing what he thought were Masonic hand signals at the judge to bait him.
This is a golden oldie in the white supremacist movement, going all the way back to the Nazis, whose hate literature often featured conspiracies involving Freemasons and Jews.
Makes you wonder what Oktar reads when not writing islamic creationist books.
That's another common one -- that we control the judicial bench. It pops up in the strangest places, too. Ex: during his trial, Charles Manson made a big deal of throwing what he thought were Masonic hand signals at the judge to bait him.
Texe Marrs is only for true kook connoisseurs btw, don't recommend him for most xtians either since he also attacks every televangelist that ever existed with regularity (they are all mini Antichrists)
Regular Freemasonry has in its core ritual a formal obligation: to be quiet and peaceable citizens, true to the lawful government of the country in which they live, and not to countenance disloyalty or rebellion.[31] A Freemason makes a further obligation, before being made Master of his Lodge, to pay a proper respect to the civil magistrates.[31] The words may be varied across Grand Lodges, but the sense in the obligation taken is always there. Nevertheless, much of the political opposition to Freemasonry is based upon the idea that Masonry will foment (or sometimes prevent) rebellion.
Freemasonry in the United States faced political pressure following the disappearance of William Morgan in 1826. Reports of the "Morgan Affair", together with opposition to Jacksonian democracy (Jackson was a prominent Mason) helped fuel an Anti-Masonic movement, culminating in the formation of a short lived Anti-Masonic Party which fielded candidates for the Presidential elections of 1828 and 1832.
Even in modern democracies, Freemasonry is still sometimes accused of being a network where individuals engage in cronyism, using their Masonic connections for political influence and shady business dealings. This is officially and explicitly deplored in Freemasonry.[31] It is also charged that men become Freemasons through patronage or that they are offered incentives to join. This is not the case; no one lodge member may control membership in the lodge and in order to start the process of becoming a Freemason, an individual must ask to join the Fraternity "freely and without persuasion."[31]
Conspiracy theorists have long associated Freemasonry with the New World Order and the Illuminati, and state that Freemasonry as an organisation is either bent on world domination or already secretly in control of world politics. Historically, Freemasonry has attracted criticism - and suppression - from both the politically extreme right (e.g. Nazi Germany)[80][81] and the extreme left (e.g. the former Communist states in Eastern Europe).[62] The Fraternity has encountered both applause for supposedly founding, and opposition for supposedly thwarting, liberal democracy (such as the United States of America).
In some countries anti-Masonry is often related to anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. For example, In 1980, the Iraqi legal and penal code was changed by Saddam Hussein's ruling Ba'ath Party, making it a felony to "promote or acclaim Zionist principles, including Freemasonry, or who associate [themselves] with Zionist organisations.
The preserved records of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (the Reich Security Main Office) show the persecution of Freemasons.[84] RSHA Amt VII (Written Records) was overseen by Professor Franz Six and was responsible for "ideological" tasks, by which was meant the creation of anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. While the number is not accurately known, it is estimated that between 80,000 and 200,000 Freemasons were killed under the Nazi regime. Masonic concentration camp inmates were graded as political prisoners and wore an inverted red triangle.[85]
I must protest. EmmieG is ahead of her class and deserves the credit. The satire is strong with this scrappleheaded one. Iowahawk her wares amongst the satirists of LGF lore.
What will give the economy traction? Simple things will. The new economy is going to be all about simple things. Ingenuity will rule just like every other time like this.
And crazy as it sounds I think the USA's biggest advantage in the next world economy is that we had the most waste to cut, so it will be simpler for us to do.
Texe Marrs is only for true kook connoisseurs btw, don't recommend him for most xtians either since he also attacks every televangelist that ever existed with regularity (they are all mini Antichrists)
He's also ferociously anti-Catholic. One of those equal-opportunity bigots.
I have one I'm saving for the next white supremacist thread. By the time I got it worked out in my head, the last thread was dead, so I'm holding on to it.
The Masonic/Illuminati conspiracy has kept knowledge of the space aliens away from the American public! And I have numerological proof!
The Roswell, New Mexico alien remains were moved from Hangar 18, in Wright-Patterson AFB near Dayton, Ohio, to Area 51, near Groom Lake Nevada.
And what is 51-18?
That's right, it's 33! The highest Masonic degree, and the only one that can be bestowed, but not earned.
Coincidence? I don't think so...(muttters darkly)
The human alien contact conspiracy of silence dates back farther than many are aware...all the way to one of their Presidential plants, and a widow's son-of-a-gun, Bohemian Grover Cleveland!
So Mote It Be! Remember the Four Powers of the Mage! Those who Know do not say, those who say do not Know.
And if you ever run into Hiram Abiff, run. Run like hell. That guy eats Cthulhu for breakfast.
May the Dead Rise and Smell the Incense! And when the government turns off the Sun, it is bad - very bad - to be caught outside your den. Your TV will report your absence.
(Now where did my thorazine and tinfoil get to? They're listening...I know they are. I have to dampen down the signals any way I can...)
The funniest ever parody of Freemasonry was the "Stonecutters" episode of The Simpsons. In it, the secret society that Homer joined sang this song:
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do! We do!
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do! We do!
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do! We do!
Who robs cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do! We do!
I have one I'm saving for the next white supremacist thread. By the time I got it worked out in my head, the last thread was dead, so I'm holding on to it.
Wow, some people are just over-achievers. I don't think about what I'm writing until two posts afterwords.
Salamantis, you do realize that because you revealed that, I'm going to have to bury you headfirst in the mudflats of Lake Titicaca and have wolverines nibble you to death from the feet down?
re: #211 mikalm
Interesting, because Wiki also states
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Benedict Pope XVI), as the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, issued Quaesitum est, which states: "...the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion." Thus, from a Catholic perspective, there is still a ban on Catholics joining Masonic Lodges. For its part, Freemasonry has never objected to Catholics joining their fraternity. Those Grand Lodges in amity with UGLE deny the Church's claims and state that they explicitly adhere to the principle that "Freemasonry is not a religion, nor a substitute for religion."[27]
In contrast to Catholic allegations of rationalism and naturalism, Protestant objections are more likely to be based on allegations of mysticism, occultism, and even Satanism.[66] Masonic scholar Albert Pike is often quoted (in some cases misquoted) by Protestant anti-Masons as an authority for the position of Masonry on these issues. However, Pike, although undoubtedly learned, was not a spokesman for Freemasonry and was controversial among Freemasons in general, representing his personal opinion only, and furthermore an opinion grounded in the attitudes and understandings of late 19th century Southern Freemasonry of the USA alone. Indeed his book carries in the preface a form of disclaimer from his own Grand Lodge. No one voice has ever spoken for the whole of Freemasonry.[67]
Less we forget the initiation process:
CROSSING THE DESERT: Being paddled on the butt
THE UNBLINKING EYE: Same as Crossing the Desert, only in reverse order.
WRECK OF THE HESPERUS: Same as The Unblinking Eye.
THE PADDLING OF THE SWOLLEN ASS...WITH PADDLES: A paddling of the swollen ass...with paddles.
Our soon to be president has chosen Elizabeth Alexander to write and read a poem for the inauguration. Alexander is a professor of African American studies at Yale.
Salamantis, you do realize that because you revealed that, I'm going to have to bury you headfirst in the mudflats of Lake Titicaca and have wolverines nibble you to death from the feet down?
I'm a former Lodge Junior Deacon, as well as a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason and a York Rite Knight Templar. So I've pretty much seen the entire Masonic world from the inside, and know all the "secrets" (not revealing anything here, but they essentially concern how we identify ourselves to each other.)
My question for Mr. Yahya: How the hell can we Freemasons run the world, if we can't even figure out how much to charge dues for our members?
"To Be One Ask One"... can I join? Would you recommend me?
Perfect for the well-dressed Lizard on your Christmas shopping list.
A coworker of mine used to work for the Jerry Garcia estate. He's got some amusing anecdotes, including one about having to transport this huge hoard of unique, live Dead/JGB tapes for hundreds of miles...
A coworker of mine used to work for the Jerry Garcia estate. He's got some amusing anecdotes, including one about having to transport this huge hoard of unique, live Dead/JGB tapes for hundreds of miles...
I owned some of those ties, back when I bothered to wear ties.
I've said too much...I hear an odd swishing sound, and strange footsteps on my roof. An unearthly light is leaking inside my windows. And dire wolves howl and whine and scratch at my door.
Remember me! And pray for my soul; I fear it's much too late for my body!
(wait...something's entered my room. It looks like...like...AARGGHHH! For the Blessed Mercy of Whatever Gods May Be!)
OK, somebody needs to get this for the Lizard clubhouse. It's a title 1 firearm, just like a regular rifle or pistol. And it'd be cheap at twice the price :-)
Since the Church began to declare her mind concerning Freemasonry, her negative judgment has been inspired by many reasons, both practical and doctrinal. She judged Freemasonry not merely responsible for subversive activity in her regard, but from the earliest pontifical documents on the subject and in particular in the Encyclical Humanum Genus by Leo XIII (20 April 1884), the Magisterium of the Church has denounced in Freemasonry philosophical ideas and moral conceptions opposed to Catholic doctrine. For Leo XIII, they essentially led back to a rationalistic naturalism, the inspiration of its plans and activities against the Church. In his Letter to the Italian people Custodi (8 December 1892), he wrote: «Let us remember that Christianity and Freemasonry are essentially irreconcilable, so that enrolment in one means separation from the other».
It really is a good deal. That's the prettiest Gatling I've ever seen. Someone has taken real good care of her. I'd be afraid to shoot it, though. Afraid I'd scuff the finish.
Several of my Lodge Brothers were Latino Catholics. One of them told me that he'd once asked his priest if it was okay to join a Masonic Lodge, and the padre told him, "That is fine, so long as you don't neglect your duties as a Catholic Christian." Then he asked the bishop, and he told him, "Do that, and you're excommunicated." That's common in the Roman Church -- the local prelates make allowances for their parishioners because they know them and can see a lot of gray areas in their ministries, while the pointy-hat guys enforce Church doctrine to the letter.
No shit, the last time I ever did the "Santa" thing as a child I asked for a 20mm Vulcan cannon. Dude didn't know quite what to think. I guess I was eight years old or so.
That's like something I once heard from Rev. Ivan Stang of The Church of the SubGenius: "The Conspiracy has 20,000 nuclear warheads. We at the Church only have two. But we know where we're putting them!"
... the local prelates make allowances for their parishioners because they know them and can see a lot of gray areas in their ministries, while the pointy-hat guys enforce Church doctrine to the letter.
God Bless the Good Shepherds out there...I've never had to investigate this concept. It appears to be a very old misunderstanding between two global brotherhoods. Looks like a battle for allegiance...but the link I put was worthwhile for me to read...
/most days it's good to be a hermit - church politics sux
Yeah, I hate being cynical about the season, but you do see a lot of bad behavior this time of year. People just let the pressures get the best of them. Me, I try to be on especially good behavior, partly to offset this, and partly because I never really lost the magic spirit of Christmas I picked up in childhood, and always enjoy indulging my Inner Kid around now.
God Bless the Good Shepherds out there...I've never had to investigate this concept. It appears to be a very old misunderstanding between two global brotherhoods. Looks like a battle for allegiance...but the link I put was worthwhile for me to read...
/most days it's good to be a hermit - church politics sux
How can you be a hermit if you are communicating with Lizards?
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Good evening my friend...Did you read this morning where I almost got into a fist fight at our colts party last night?
Crap.that never happens.. A friend of a friend came over and said some shit.
I'm still jacked up about it and 1 am the next day
God Bless the Good Shepherds out there...I've never had to investigate this concept. It appears to be a very old misunderstanding between two global brotherhoods. Looks like a battle for allegiance...but the link I put was worthwhile for me to read...
/most days it's good to be a hermit - church politics sux
Just human nature, my friend. It's always the five percent of professional politicians and agenda-addicts screwing things up for the rest of us. The Church, whether in its Roman, Orthodox, Anglican or Protestant varieties, is still a human institution (despite its divine origins), so a certain amount of this is just unavoidable.
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
WOW, Walter I'm really surprised to "hear" that! Why would they want to treat the staff and facility like shit?
Too much imbibing of "holiday cheer" maybe? And what is it that they do to the facility and how do they act to the staff to earn your scorn?
So many Scrooges, so few spirits of Xmas to visit them
LOL.
Our stage is surrounded by audience on three sides. The are two aisles, and a 2 foot high knee wall around the stage on those three side. Two openings in the knee wall at the ends of the aisles enable actors to make entrances down the aisle and walk onto the stage.
We put velvet ropes up across those openings, so the audience who are seating do not walk across the stage to get to another part of the theatre.
We also stations two ushers in the room, at the end of the aisle.
Do you think that stops anyone? You would be surprised how many people who try to step over the velvet ropes, so they can walk across the stage. And they manage to do it.
And if you try to stop them, they give you a look like you just called them satan or something.
/I've given the ushers permission to body slam the patrons any time they want
re: #305 Russkilitlover
"Goes along with the honking of horns and shouting in mall parking lots. It just isn't Christmas until there is a near fist-fight for a parking spot."
There! Fixed that for ya!
Now you know why I do MOST of my Christmas shopping by catalog.
...and some of them prove that even the body of christ has an a**hole
/I am so gettin' whacked for that
Not necessarily, Hermit. No less a figure than St. John Chrysostom said, way back around 400 A.D., "the streets of Hell are paved with the skulls of bishops."
re: #308 ggt
Hi ya ggt - nope, non-drinking alcoholic here, gonna have to find some other way to get that cannib...uh, well y'all know what I mean!
How are you doing?
That must have been a pretty surly audience indeed. At every concert or play I've ever attended, from tiny basement twenty-seaters to football stadiums, attendees have treated the stage as near-sacred ground and rarely even touch the risers. The only exceptions I can think of have been punk rock shows, where you get the stage-diving and similar antics.
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re: #315 CheDub
No shit. I'd just love to fire a few dozen rounds through it though.
Don't know where the hell we'd get the ammo, though.
BTW, did you notice it was built sorta like an old time cannon on a wheeled carriage? Can you imagine trying to swing that sucker left to right or vice-versa while it's firing?!
No shit. I'd just love to fire a few dozen rounds through it though.
Don't know where the hell we'd get the ammo, though.
BTW, did you notice it was built sorta like an old time cannon on a wheeled carriage? Can you imagine trying to swing that sucker left to right or vice-versa while it's firing?!
Weren't the Freemasons and Skull and Bones supposed to be somehow connected -- in some Illuminati web of cunning and power? Back when GWB was running against Gore and S&B was supposed to be this wicked, evil cult. Then Jenjiss vs GWB made it two S&B alums and suddenly ... it's just a club.
Yeah, see, they wouldn't dare if the Cat Overlords were running loose. Even so, Cat Overlords don't need cell phones to communicate with each other. I'm thinking officials in Canada are going to be finding the bodies of dead mice for months. All of the deaths will seem to be of natural causes, but we know better.
re: #328 HoosierHoops
Huh, no I didn't - only thing I heard from you was that you were eating leftovers this morning! What happened? Did you have to *whack* him?!
Back again.My girlfriend called, she was at her companies little Christmas party and she called me from the parking lot half crying. She forgot where she parked her car.
re: #339 Walter L. Newton
Geez Walter: "I've given the ushers permission to body slam the patrons any time they want" that wouldn't appear to me to be the way to attract audiences!
Seriously though, I can see how that'd piss you off; too bad you can't put a sold gate in there instead of the velvet rope and only unlock it after the performance starts. Somebody tries to walk across the stage while the performance is going on, SHOOT 'EM!
Strangely enough, but that pretty much is how you use a gatling. One cool little toy I've seen was a tripple mount for 7.62 Miniguns. It was on a big tripod, and could fire any one of the guns independantly, or all three of them together.
I never got to see it fired, but it really made an impression just sitting there. Load a tracer every fifth round or so, and I'm sure it would be quite the sight. It was the neatest weapon in the whole show. This was at the 1994 Soldier of Fortune convention. Lots of exotic toys. Sarah Brady would shit herself if she ever saw it.
Yep, something happened over the summer (son's 13th birthday). I walked into his room one day and --geeeshhh. I ended-up giving him a lecture about removing his dirty clothing from the room daily and gave him an air freshener.
re: #343 Noam Sayin'
"Keep the Gatling gun out of his hands until I get out of sight."
Me? Keep the Gatling gun out of Iron Fist's hands? No way - I love ya like a brother but I ain't that stupid!
Geez Walter: "I've given the ushers permission to body slam the patrons any time they want" that wouldn't appear to me to be the way to attract audiences!
Seriously though, I can see how that'd piss you off; too bad you can't put a sold gate in there instead of the velvet rope and only unlock it after the performance starts. Somebody tries to walk across the stage while the performance is going on, SHOOT 'EM!
It's never happen during a show, just pre-show, when they are trying to seat.
I once had a woman, at intermission, walk up on stage, grab an afghan that was on the set, brought it back to her seat and curled it around her legs. And this was a 30's something woman.
I'm thinking alcohol plays a part in this type of behavior?
We have a fully stocked bar, beer, wine and hard stuff. But no, we rarely have really tipsy folk. An average bar take with 80 patrons will be under 200 dollars.
I mean, honestly. We have M240s all over the place. Look. This one's holding up the end of the bar! Can we get a carpenter in here to fix this? Maybe Sage can work off my bar tab. It's his Mezcal I'm drinking, anyway.
re: #359 jcm
Holy crap! I wouldn't say you were a chicken for staying home on a night with roads like that! I'd say you were smart as hell!
Can you IMAGINE what the passengers in those two busses - and especially the front passengers in the bus
on the left were thinking?!
Holy crap! I wouldn't say you were a chicken for staying home on a night with roads like that! I'd say you were smart as hell!
Can you IMAGINE what the passengers in those two busses - and especially the front passengers in the bus
on the left were thinking?!
re: #360 Teacake!
That IS amazing! Uh, what's a LENVO? Not putting you on or down, but don't think I've ever seen one - ya don't by any chance have a link to one do ya?!
Holy crap! I wouldn't say you were a chicken for staying home on a night with roads like that! I'd say you were smart as hell!
Can you IMAGINE what the passengers in those two busses - and especially the front passengers in the bus
on the left were thinking?!
Actually, it's not to hard to imagine what they were thinking cause the local stations having been playing interviews of the passengers during most of the newscasts...pretty much everyone thought they were going to die until they were completely out of the bus.
That IS amazing! Uh, what's a LENVO? Not putting you on or down, but don't think I've ever seen one - ya don't by any chance have a link to one do ya?!
Lenovo, IBM sold off it's PC division, a Taiwan out fit bought it out.
re: #370 jcm Well you could be right about that, but it looked to me like something to control elevation - I mean look how close those boxes and wheels are - where the hell is the guy firing it supposed to stand?!
Well you could be right about that, but it looked to me like something to control elevation - I mean look how close those boxes and wheels are - where the hell is the guy firing it supposed to stand?!
Elevation is on the pivot up in the yoke (the Y shaped part). There's another locking handle up on that.
I know, I've seen that one over and over. It could also be radar confusing chaff released from a military aircraft.
But the drifting pattern, starting out in a line that gently drifted apart, no, not a controlled craft.
When I was stationed at the Air Force Academy, Fort Carson was due South. used to sit up at night, drink beer and watch the flared during night exercises.
When I was stationed at the Air Force Academy, Fort Carson was due South. used to sit up at night, drink beer and watch the flared during night exercises.
I love seeing the jets, flying in the valley, west of I25 in the Springs at the AFA. You can watch them as you drive down the interstate. That valley is much wider than it looks, and those planes look like little toys.
Damn! But that thing probably runs as much as a semi-auto one in .50 would run. A local gun store around here had a semi M2 with a couple of thousand APIT rounds for sale this summer. They only wanted $24 grand for it. It sold so damn fast I didn't even make it down to the store to scope it out.
I'd love to have one, but I don't have a room in my house big enough to actually set it up. I've never gotten to shoot an M2. i've done Barretts, and they are way cool, but the M2 is such a classic. They have one for rent at Knob Creek. IIRC it was $300 for either a fifty round belt or a hundred round belt. You could shoot it in smaller quantities, but it just wouldn't be the same.
I did get to shoot an M-60 light machinegun. It was like $50 for a hundred round belt. It was money well spent.
If we won the lotto we'd be broke in a hurry but have one hell of a gun room!
I don't keep up with that stuff anymore. I use to have a once a month, over night talk show on KRLD, Dallas, which I co-hosted with a female psychic. This was back in the 70's. KRLD was a 50 thousand watt station, so we reached all around the southwest.
It was a riot having the cowboys call from west Texas or New Mexico. They were always seeing something in the sky.
It's amazing how those sightings that people called in about were with in a 1/2 hour after the bars closed at 2:00am.
I don't keep up with that stuff anymore. I use to have a once a month, over night talk show on KRLD, Dallas, which I co-hosted with a female psychic. This was back in the 70's. KRLD was a 50 thousand watt station, so we reached all around the southwest.
It was a riot having the cowboys call from west Texas or New Mexico. They were always seeing something in the sky.
It's amazing how those sightings that people called in about were with in a 1/2 hour after the bars closed at 2:00am.
I had a "sighting" a few months ago. Driving home Venus seemed much brighter than normal. Suddenly Venus split and one part took off to the right and the other stayed put.
After a momentary WTF? I realized a plane on the downwind leg was directly inline between Venus and me. When the plane turned onto the base leg, Venus "split."
I had a "sighting" a few months ago. Driving home Venus seemed much brighter than normal. Suddenly Venus split and one part took off to the right and the other stayed put.
After a momentary WTF? I realized a plane on the downwind leg was directly inline between Venus and me. When the plane turned onto the base leg, Venus "split."
When I was keeping up with UFOlogy, I preferred the term UAO. Unidentified Aerial Object. Flying indicates control, and unless you can prove there is something controlling something you see in the sky, then you don't know.
UAO cover a broader range of sightings, and is a more accurate term.
I don't keep up with that stuff anymore. I use to have a once a month, over night talk show on KRLD, Dallas, which I co-hosted with a female psychic. This was back in the 70's. KRLD was a 50 thousand watt station, so we reached all around the southwest.
It was a riot having the cowboys call from west Texas or New Mexico. They were always seeing something in the sky.
It's amazing how those sightings that people called in about were with in a 1/2 hour after the bars closed at 2:00am.
Walter, I posted an offer to you on another thread about a week ago, but I think you'd already left. Would you like a specimen of mid-Devonian stromatoporoid reef rock? From the Kee Scarp Formation at Norman Wells, NWT, this is the stuff that makes up the reservoir rock of the oilfield there. Stroms aren't very showy fossils, but in this case they are economically significant.
Walter, I posted an offer to you on another thread about a week ago, but I think you'd already left. Would you like a specimen of mid-Devonian stromatoporoid reef rock? From the Kee Scarp Formation at Norman Wells, NWT, this is the stuff that makes up the reservoir rock of the oilfield there. Stroms aren't very showy fossils, but in this case they are economically significant.
Yes, and I know what they are. Very interesting. I read an article sometime in the last year.
If you click on my name, you will see my address. I will compensate in return and send you some meteorite samples and some reading material on meteorites.
Damn! But that thing probably runs as much as a semi-auto one in .50 would run. A local gun store around here had a semi M2 with a couple of thousand APIT rounds for sale this summer. They only wanted $24 grand for it. It sold so damn fast I didn't even make it down to the store to scope it out.
I'd love to have one, but I don't have a room in my house big enough to actually set it up. I've never gotten to shoot an M2. i've done Barretts, and they are way cool, but the M2 is such a classic. They have one for rent at Knob Creek. IIRC it was $300 for either a fifty round belt or a hundred round belt. You could shoot it in smaller quantities, but it just wouldn't be the same.
I did get to shoot an M-60 light machinegun. It was like $50 for a hundred round belt. It was money well spent.
glad i was in the Guard then... the 50 is fun as hell, but a bitch to carry and clean.
i was state champ 3 years running with the 60. firing stuff like that is what i miss most about being out. living indoors with a soft bed, warm wife and flush plumbing are what i like best about being out. %-)
as for weapons i wish i'd bought when i had the chance, a few years back Shotgun News had an ad for NIB ChiCom flame throwers, no paperw*rk needed... i didn't get one. %-(
When I was keeping up with UFOlogy, I preferred the term UAO. Unidentified Aerial Object. Flying indicates control, and unless you can prove there is something controlling something you see in the sky, then you don't know.
UAO cover a broader range of sightings, and is a more accurate term.
It is. I'm agnostic on the whole thing, possible but I haven't seen anything convincing. Some sighting are are a puzzle, but like so much, nothing solid.
It is. I'm agnostic on the whole thing, possible but I haven't seen anything convincing. Some sighting are are a puzzle, but like so much, nothing solid.
Exactly, same here. And that was my stance on the radio show. Yes, it's possible. Do we have ANY proof, not yet. Do people see things in the sky that they can't explain? All the time. Are they from another planet? No one knows what they are.
I had a "sighting" a few months ago. Driving home Venus seemed much brighter than normal. Suddenly Venus split and one part took off to the right and the other stayed put.
After a momentary WTF? I realized a plane on the downwind leg was directly inline between Venus and me. When the plane turned onto the base leg, Venus "split."
i was on my way home to the P's house one night years ago with a 747 turning onto the LAX north approach, when a couple large flaming objects came out of one of the engine: looked like flares at Club Bob, but without the chute.
never saw anything in the paper, but they obviously landed on 3 engines.
i was on my way home to the P's house one night years ago with a 747 turning onto the LAX north approach, when a couple large flaming objects came out of one of the engine: looked like flares at Club Bob, but without the chute.
never saw anything in the paper, but they obviously landed on 3 engines.
Bird strike, unusual at night. Or an engine just pitched a blade.
Well hell, Charles just put up an open thread and I gotta go to bed and SLEEP!
Good night to anyone still out here! I hope you have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
Now I find out its the dang Freemasons! Are the Jews part of the Freemasons?
As far as I know, the reason that anti-Masonic and anti-Jewish conspiracy nuttery often go hand in hand is that the Freemasons historically had a tendency to be vocally critical of "organized religion" -- and in particular Christianity since it was the most significant "organized religion" within the Anglo-European sphere, and most especially the Roman Catholic Church.
Bear in mind that a lot of this goes back to the days when "organized Christianity" had a lot more earthly political power than it does today and sometimes used this power to trample harshly on its critics -- in other words, Masons saw themselves as voices of The Enlightenment, speaking against abuses of political power by the Catholic Church and other Christian bodies.
So, naturally, some of Masonry's critics concluded that if the Masons were saying mean things about Christianity, it must only serve to prove that the true organizers and controllers of Freemasonry were, ultimately, those awful Christ-killing Jooos.
My late Stepfather, the man who raised me, was Grandmaster of Masons in Indiana, my home state. I was also a Master Councilor of my Demolay Chapter when I was a teenager--and hey, that happens to be the only thing Bill Clinton and I have in common. While not a Freemason as an adult, I think I can attest with some confidence the whole 'conquer the world' conspiracy has been postponed until after the annual Oyster Stew Dinner and before the Summer Fish Fry.
Scientology, how about that? You hold on to the tin cans and then this guy asks you a bunch of questions, and if you pay enough money you get to join the master race. How's that for a religion? -- Concert at the Rockpile, Toronto, May 1969