Don't believe any of 'em until they show you their Nearth Certifikit.

Well this should be fun, I look forward to reading the comments.

re: #2 DEZes

Well this should be fun, I look forward to reading the comments.

There won't be "comments".
There will only be irrefutable things, like my opinion.
Just you wait ...

I take some global warming about now.

re: #3 jwb7605
LOL, right you are.

re: #4 jcm

I take some global warming about now.

That's weather, not global warming. And snow and ice is proof of global warming, dontcha know! /

Manbearpig is RIPPING us off!

re: #3 jwb7605

There won't be "comments".
There will only be irrefutable things, like my opinion.
Just you wait ...

In my opinion you're wrong, except when we agree.

I hope Santa brings me a lump of coal for Christmas- I want to burn it and contribute to global warming.

re: #6 lawhawk

That's weather, not global warming. And snow and ice is proof of global warming, dontcha know! /

Pah! Details.....

There is no god but Gaia, and Algorecle is Her Profit.

re: #8 David IV of Georgia
In my opinion, obambi and his krew are gonna fubar this country!

Two global warming threads in a row?!?!? I already said everything I have to say on the previous thread.

Ah, thus, it's back to the end-of-the-year paperwork for me.

re: #6 lawhawk

That's weather, not global warming. And snow and ice is proof of global warming, dontcha know! /

And fire still cant melt steel...... ;p

Oh, and apparently it's going to be too cold to ski in Aspen. Take heed Al Gore. Bundle up when you decide to hit the slopes.

re: #13 zombie
Paperwork is a vile word!

re: #9 Sharmuta

I hope Santa brings me a lump of coal for Christmas- I want to burn it and contribute to global warming.

Next Christmas (2009) coal lumps may be a valuable commodity.

re: #7 pingjockey

Manbearpig is RIPPING us off!

I heard MBP was sighted recently in a small suburb in Colorado...

re: #13 zombie

Two global warming threads in a row?!?!? I already said everything I have to say on the previous thread.

Ah, thus, it's back to the end-of-the-year paperwork for me.

Well, you could, like, you know... Post your deleted article...... ;)

re: #12 pingjockey

In my opinion, obambi and his krew are gonna fubar this country!

Snafu?

Leading contributor to CO₂ emissions is the ocean, and you know what that means:

BAN THE OCEAN!

re: #10 jcm

Yeah, right back atcha! We've got another possible ice event tomorrow into Monday!

re: #14 doriangrey
That statement right there should be enough to prove to anyone that most Hollyweird types are morons!

re: #18 Colonel Panik

I heard MBP was sighted recently in a small suburb in Colorado...

He won't fit in a small suburb. Bogus sighting.

re: #20 David IV of Georgia
That too!

re: #15 lawhawk

Oh, and apparently it's going to be too cold to ski in Aspen. Take heed Al Gore. Bundle up when you decide to hit the slopes.

Manbearpig only comes out when it snows. Otherwise he stinks too much from his own sweat.

re: #22 lawhawk

Yeah, right back atcha! We've got another possible ice event tomorrow into Monday!

Here's to firewood and hot toddies.

I like hot chocolate with peppermint schnapps.

re: #21 Sharmuta

Leading contributor to CO₂ emissions is the ocean, and you know what that means:

BAN THE OCEAN!

Tax the Oceans....

re: #23 pingjockey

That statement right there should be enough to prove to anyone that most Hollyweird types are morons!

Heh heh heh they is what they is.... ;)

re: #13 zombie

Some shit bears repeating and repeating until it sinks into the vacuum pocket in their ass that they call a brain.

re: #17 David IV of Georgia

Next Christmas (2009) coal lumps may be a valuable commodity.

... and Santa will hand out stock certificates for U.S. companies to bad little girls and boys.

Later folks. Better half just got home with groceries!

re: #28 jcm

That works. When I want something real special, I'll do a spiked wicked hot chocolate.

Jacques Torres wicked hot chocolate mix (includes spicy chili pepper in the mix), and add sambuca or schnaps to top off. Delicious!

re: #12 pingjockey

In my opinion, obambi and his krew are gonna fubar this country!

I wonder these days if all the crazed half-starved survivalists who fled civilization before the end didn't have some inside information...

Somehow the concept that humans are unnatural has been allowed to spread.

Oddly, most political AGW proponents are not yet convinced of their own dispensable status.

We need to call this what it is.....GloBull Warming.

The end result of Obama's GW policies will be devastating tax hikes and increases in energy prices which will devastate the lower middle class, the 'working families' he claims to revere.

science should never be political.

as my post doc mentor drummed into my head : the data are the data

Obama's policies will bankrupt this country. Once we throw in the towel, he'll blame Bush.

When you assert anthropogenic global warming, it would help your cause if you had more evidence than a moderate heating cycle that exactly coincided with a solar increase in radiation , which heating cycle promptly contracted into a cooling trend immediately upon the termination of the solar cycle.

Do these scientists ever use anything to back up their research besides Algorithms?

Why do chi-coms give democrats money?

BTW

I have 18 inches of new gorebul warming in my yard today.

re: #44 FrogMarch

They're developing a space program, and need information.

If the AGW adherents really cared about the planet, they would zero out their "carbon footprint".

re: #43 DEZes

Do these scientists ever use anything to back up their research besides Algorithms ALGOREithms?

Fixed it for you.

re: #42 pat

When you assert anthropogenic global warming, it would help your cause if you had more evidence than a moderate heating cycle that exactly coincided with a solar increase in radiation , which heating cycle promptly contracted into a cooling trend immediately upon the termination of the solar cycle.

You want both the theory and relevant supporting data? What kind of sadist are you?

re: #44 FrogMarch

Why do chi-coms give democrats money?

Because China is exempt from the treaties the dems keep clamoring for.

re: #48 Jetpilot1101
Thanks. :)

re: #39 MrPaulRevere

The end result of Obama's GW policies will be devastating tax hikes and increases in energy prices which will devastate the lower middle class, the 'working families' he claims to revere.

That's exactly right but it won't matter because the cause will have been served....which is all that committed leftists care about. The effects are for someone else to worry about.........bastards.

re: #39 MrPaulRevere

He will attempt to offset these devastating costs by sending out government checks to those he deems worthy, further tying the lower middle class to the yoke of government. Say what you will about Obama, its a clever strategy.

Thanks for posting this. Watching now........

re: #38 LGoPs

And Algore has made millions out of this hoax. I could live with that, but when they want to push my standard of living back to what it would have been before the Industrial Revolution, well, fuck that shit. I don't see them living in a one-room cabin with no power or water in the middle of fucking nowhere in the name of saving the Planet.

At least the Unibomber really believed his own bullshit. The Global Warmists don't. They just want to wreck the economy, and Global Warmism is a convenient wrecking bar.

re: #53 MrPaulRevere

He will attempt to offset these devastating costs by sending out government checks to those he deems worthy, further tying the lower middle class to the yoke of government. Say what you will about Obama, its a clever strategy.

I said (in post 3, I think) that irrefutable stuff would appear.
GTMA.

re: #47 Wendya

Make them one with the enviroment? Works for me.

re: #55 Iron Fist

And Algore has made millions out of this hoax. I could live with that, but when they want to push my standard of living back to what it would have been before the Industrial Revolution, well, fuck that shit. I don't see them living in a one-room cabin with no power or water in the middle of fucking nowhere in the name of saving the Planet.

At least the Unibomber really believed his own bullshit. The Global Warmists don't. They just want to wreck the economy, and Global Warmism is a convenient wrecking bar.

Target, cease fire...as we used to say in the army when our gunners were dead on......

re: #29 DEZes

Tax the Oceans....

Are you mocking my drastic measures?!

I am finding the arguments on both sides to be over the top so far, having just finished the first. The claim that CO2 isn't a climate agent is blatantly false, the other side likening CO2 to the Ebola virus is egregious as well.

If we are to progress in the discussion of AGW it must be in the area of "How much?" "to what degree?" and that is really the only argument. What's our timeline before the greenhouse gets us is a valid question, and it will only be answered by true science. The hysterical political facets of the debate on both sides is merely delaying the answers.

re: #59 Sharmuta

Are you mocking my drastic measures?!

We will tolerate no mocking of measures.

re: #29 DEZes

Tax the Oceans....

Drain the oceans or fill them in.

I raise another glass of Pilsner to toast Czech President Vaclav Klaus.

Vaclav Klaus vs. the Warm Mongers on Glenn Beck.

Cow flatulence is the number one cause of global carbon dioxide emissions, far exceeding the output by petroleum-driven engines.

My solution to global warming: eat more steak! ;-)

re: #28 jcm

Here's to firewood and hot toddies.

I like hot chocolate with peppermint schnapps.

Sounds like a nice song lyric.

re: #59 Sharmuta

Are you mocking my drastic measures?!

No, I was not mocking you, sorry if it came off that way, I should have used the sarcasm tag.

re: #60 Thanos

I am finding the arguments on both sides to be over the top so far, having just finished the first. The claim that CO2 isn't a climate agent is blatantly false, the other side likening CO2 to the Ebola virus is egregious as well.

If we are to progress in the discussion of AGW it must be in the area of "How much?" "to what degree?" and that is really the only argument. What's our timeline before the greenhouse gets us is a valid question, and it will only be answered by true science. The hysterical political facets of the debate on both sides is merely delaying the answers.

A greenhouse is a small, enclosed static environment. They have won already by defining the debate in winning (to them) terms from the start. The Earth is not a greenhouse.

re: #67 Shay4l

A greenhouse is a small, enclosed static environment. They have won already by defining the debate in winning (to them) terms from the start. The Earth is not a greenhouse.

Will you please stop throwing rocks!
/ ;-P

I've been out of touch the last few days. Anyone get banned or any burning controversies?

re: #66 DEZes

I was joking too, so don't worry about it.

re: #62 David IV of Georgia

Drain the oceans or fill them in.

Whip the waves until the oceans obey.

I am the great Goreholio!

Global warming! Global warming! I need taxes for my global warming!

My people, they were poor, they had no global warming!

re: #69 Nevergiveup

I've been out of touch the last few days. Anyone get banned or any burning controversies?

Global warming is a big fat fake.

re: #71 Shay4l

Whip the waves until the oceans obey.

That will cause tides of fury.

re: #70 Sharmuta
No worries, but if the barkbiters can tax the oceans, they will.
I should not give them any ideas.:)

re: #68 jcm

Will you please stop throwing rocks!
/ ;-P

OK

re: #52 LGoPs

That's exactly right but it won't matter because the cause will have been served....which is all that committed leftists care about. The effects are for someone else to worry about.........bastards.

Hate to quote myself but to carry on the thought about leftists not caring about the little people they claim to represent look at school vouchers......70%+ of the African-American community supports them but the Democrats refuse to even countenance the thought. Remember $4.50/gallon gas just recently. Think that hurt little people? The Democrats went on break rather than voting on drilling or any measure to alleviate the strain. I could go on, but the fact remains that liberals are dangerous and will pay any price (as long as somebody else actually pays it) to enact their agenda. Bastards.

re: #74 David IV of Georgia

That will cause tides of fury.

Well, the idea IS all wet, if you aske me.

re: #73 debutaunt

Global warming is a big fat fake.

Yeah I kinda figured that when it took me 7 1/2 hours to get home from the Base yesterday for a 2 1/2 hour trip. But then I'm not expert?

re: #42 pat

Oh ye of little faith...

Global Warmism is no more science than Scientology or Santeria is. Global warmists just scatter high-dollar chicken bones, and try to read the future in them.

re: #78 Shay4l

Well, the idea IS all wet, if you aske me.

We'll seas about that......

But, what about the hockey stick graph? Aren't we doomed?

re: #21 Sharmuta

Leading contributor to CO₂ emissions is the ocean, and you know what that means:

BAN THE OCEAN!

re: #29 DEZes

Tax the Oceans....

I mock you both.
In accordance with the ONE's plans to enhance the infrastructure, I propose that we construct dams to prevent the rivers from flowing into the oceans.
This will cause the oceans to quit rising, simultaneously solving the fresh water supply problems, and increasing the amount of wetlands to support wildlife.
Upon completion of the project, we then get the Army Corps of Engineers to monitor all the dams, which will then prevent further catastrophes, regardless of weather patterns.

Rookies.
/

re: #81 LGoPs

We'll seas about that......

I better not ever run into Algore, there'll be some salty language sailing around.

re: #81 LGoPs

We'll seas about that......

I fear a hidden undercurrent of disagreement will break out into a riptide of dissent.

re: #39 MrPaulRevere

re: #53 MrPaulRevere

This will also serve to limit social mobility, which the left is not fond of anyway, as voters tend to move to the center right as they become more prosperous. As for the science of it all, I'll listen to Charles and Thanos, they seem to be the most informed.

re: #83 jwb7605

I mock you both.
In accordance with the ONE's plans to enhance the infrastructure, I propose that we construct dams to prevent the rivers from flowing into the oceans.
This will cause the oceans to quit rising, simultaneously solving the fresh water supply problems, and increasing the amount of wetlands to support wildlife.
Upon completion of the project, we then get the Army Corps of Engineers to monitor all the dams, which will then prevent further catastrophes, regardless of weather patterns.

Rookies.
/

Dam you

re: #27 taxfreekiller

Each day, the sun comes up, each day the sun warms you up, live with it, and or die of it.

Global warming, climate change is a commie loon liberal, earth first,
John Kerry
Al Gore
Bill Clinton
Ms Clifton
Obama
Harry Ried
Nancy Pelosi
Democrat Party Lie.

In fairness add Bush, Newt and others on the right to your commie loon list supporting climate change.

re: #83 jwb7605
We will we will mock you.
Am I a mock up now?
/;)

re: #82 Shay4l

But, what about the hockey stick graph? Aren't we doomed?

Nope just Mann.....re: #85 David IV of Georgia

I fear a hidden undercurrent of disagreement will break out into a riptide of dissent.

I don't like the drift of this thread.

re: #82 Shay4l

But, what about the hockey stick graph? Aren't we doomed?

al gore accidentally put up the graph his doctor made of the yearly increase of gore's waistline—he just ad libbed after that to make it fit the rest of the presentation.

“I am fully in favour of oil-rich countries having nuclear reactors,” Dr Blix said. “Long-term, I am more scared about global warming than I am about weapons of mass destruction.” - Hans Blix

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081124/BUSINES S/812960891/-1/NEWS

re: #85 David IV of Georgia

I fear a hidden undercurrent of disagreement will break out into a riptide of dissent.

You're worried about a riptide of the highest form of patriotism?

re: #90 jcm

I don't like the drift of this thread.

Who's Mann, and why is he doomed?

Anyway, if you don't like the currents of this discussion you can wave goodbye to this thread.

Waves of crashing dissent?

I am finding the arguments on both sides to be over the top so far, having just finished the first. The claim that CO2 isn't a climate agent is blatantly false, the other side likening CO2 to the Ebola virus is egregious as well.

The debate for me isn't about whether or not the earth is warming or whether or not CO2 is a cause. The debate for me is strictly about how much (if at all) mankind has contributed to it. Seems to me that, given the huge economic consequences of "battling climate change" any burden of proof lies on the side of those who claim that global warming is due to mankind and the only evidence I've seen from their side of the argument is tenuous at best. My own opinion is that "battling climate change" makes about as much sense as trying to stop plate tectonics. Maybe it's just me though.

re: #95 DEZes

Waves of crashing dissent?

A veritable tsunami of dissent.

I just tell people, "I'm doing my part for global warming. I always make sure my house uses less energy than Al Gore's house!"

re: #92 kingkenrod

“I am fully in favour of oil-rich countries having nuclear reactors,” Dr Blix said. “Long-term, I am more scared about global warming than I am about weapons of mass destruction.” - Hans Blix

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081124/BUSINES S/812960891/-1/NEWS

Hans Blix is a Doctor of Stupidity, apparently.

re: #93 gmsc

You're worried about a riptide of the highest form of patriotism?

We're getting into treachorous waters here........

re: #96 The Dude

The debate for me isn't about whether or not the earth is warming or whether or not CO2 is a cause. The debate for me is strictly about how much (if at all) mankind has contributed to it. Seems to me that, given the huge economic consequences of "battling climate change" any burden of proof lies on the side of those who claim that global warming is due to mankind and the only evidence I've seen from their side of the argument is tenuous at best. My own opinion is that "battling climate change" makes about as much sense as trying to stop plate tectonics. Maybe it's just me though.

We still haven't solved plate tectonics?
Crap.

re: #94 Shay4l

Who's Mann, and why is he doomed?

Anyway, if you don't like the currents of this discussion you can wave goodbye to this thread.

Mann, who did the hockey stick chart. Falsified the data, and tweaked the model to get the hockey stick.

re: #96 The Dude

The debate for me isn't about whether or not the earth is warming or whether or not CO2 is a cause. The debate for me is strictly about how much (if at all) mankind has contributed to it. Seems to me that, given the huge economic consequences of "battling climate change" any burden of proof lies on the side of those who claim that global warming is due to mankind and the only evidence I've seen from their side of the argument is tenuous at best. My own opinion is that "battling climate change" makes about as much sense as trying to stop plate tectonics. Maybe it's just me though.

But they're getting rich off it. That's pretty much what matters.

re: #99 Shay4l

Hans Blix is a Doctor of Stupidity, apparently.

Ignorance is Blix?

re: #101 jwb7605

We still haven't solved plate tectonics?
Crap.

We can't even figure out how to keep asphalt from cracking, much less the whole Earth.

re: #102 jcm

Mann, who did the hockey stick chart. Falsified the data, and tweaked the model to get the hockey stick.

AH, thank you.

re: #101 jwb7605

We still haven't solved plate tectonics?
Crap.

Stop Plate Tectonics!
Re-unite Pangaea!

re: #105 David IV of Georgia

We can't even figure out how to keep asphalt from cracking, much less the whole Earth.

I thought that's what the asphalt was for!
They've most recently improved it with plastic screen in the middle ...

Even if you accept the questionable premises that the earth is warming, and that human activity has caused the warming, there is little we can do about it. One expert has estimated that it would take 40 years to reduce the earth's temperature by one degree if the human race ceased to exist.

There are many other serious environmental and health problems that could be remedied with the resources the global warming fanatics want to pour into this bottomless rat hole.

re: #104 gmsc

Ignorance is Blix?

Now that's a bumper sticker!

re: #103 Shay4l

I suppose I'm just pissed off because I didn't get in on the ground floor of that gravy train. I actually work for a living. What a shmuck I am, eh?

8^)

re: #107 jcm

Stop Plate Tectonics!
Re-unite Pangaea!

Apparently, you've got some support.

re: #96 The Dude

The debate for me isn't about whether or not the earth is warming or whether or not CO2 is a cause. The debate for me is strictly about how much (if at all) mankind has contributed to it.

CO2 is the crux of the alarmists debate. There is zero evidence that an increase in CO2 levels cause increases in surface temperature. The data actually suggests that an increase in temperatures causes an increase in CO2 levels. That is an extremely important point and has been glossed over or ignored by the AGW fanatics.

re: #112 gmsc

Apparently, you've got some support.

Power to the correct people!
;-P

The ABC presenter in the debate, Tony Jones, is a huge climate change believer, as you may have gathered from his demeanour while interviewing Durkin.

re: #99 Shay4l

Hans Blix is a Doctor of Stupidity, apparently.

Agreed, Blix is an idiot and this Video of him proves it.

/Language warning.

A few good global warming skeptic links here:

The 60-Second Climate Skeptic

A Layman’s Guide to Anthropogenic (Man-Made) Global Warming

'Climate change' is undeniable-and it's been undeniable for hundreds of millions of years. I was glad to hear the CNN weather guy finally state the obvious that it's arrogant to state that humans are the prime cause. But then, arrogance seems to be a prime characteristic of the left.
Wonder how much longer the CNN guy will be on the payroll...

Speaking of temperatures, it's going down to -1 degrees of global warming here tonight.

Don't be a larmist. Be a lert. This country needs more lerts.....
:)

As I mentioned on the earlier thread, this is really all about shifting the social balance by empowering local academic and media elites and their numerous hangers-on and sycophants.

On the global scale, traditional captitalist and aristocratic elites have merged with their former enemies on the far left in a kind of Hitler/Stalin pact between ruthless power-seekers. How else would we be seeing the crown prince of England mouthing leftist eco-propaganda like a Hollywood strumpet?

re: #67 Shay4l

A greenhouse is a small, enclosed static environment. They have won already by defining the debate in winning (to them) terms from the start. The Earth is not a greenhouse.

Greenhouse theory was around before the term "global warming" was coined by Isaac Asimov and others. The major difference in a greenhouse and earth is scale, not whether it's "static" or not. (e.g. there are solar variances in both are there not?)

Caroline Kennedy Expresses Support for Gay Marriage
Taking questions from Politico, Caroline Kennedy shared her thoughts on some political issues such as gay marriage and the war in Iraq.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Well the War was 5 years ago, but knowing how General Kennedy? would have voted is sure reassuring?

re: #119 3 wood

Speaking of temperatures, it's going down to -1 degrees of global warming here tonight.

you missed my comment (now in the top 10) of how I can cure your -1 degree Climate Change "problem"!

re: #119 3 wood

Speaking of temperatures, it's going down to -1 degrees of global warming here tonight.

And i can't see my driveway thru all that white stuff?

re: #116 DEZes

Agreed, Blix is an idiot and this Video of him proves it.

/Language warning.

'Blix', adjective suggesting lack of independent, logical thought.
Example- "The Iranians have a nuke ? Boy, what a Blix I was"...

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

A fascinating take on things. I always look forward to your posts.

re: #96 The Dude

The debate for me isn't about whether or not the earth is warming or whether or not CO2 is a cause. The debate for me is strictly about how much (if at all) mankind has contributed to it. Seems to me that, given the huge economic consequences of "battling climate change" any burden of proof lies on the side of those who claim that global warming is due to mankind and the only evidence I've seen from their side of the argument is tenuous at best. My own opinion is that "battling climate change" makes about as much sense as trying to stop plate tectonics. Maybe it's just me though.

I agree, but the side arguing for drastic measures has presented their evidence. Flawed or not, it's been accepted by large volumes of the public and political spectrum. If we are to hope to overcome that then our weapons must be truth and science, not anecdote and lies.

re: #67 Shay4l

re: #122 Thanos

I thought back in my Hippie Dippie 70's days they convinced me that man had created a hole in the atmosphere (basically,,we broke the sky) by our pollutants. If that were so, how did all these "greenhouse gases" gat trapped in!?!? Wouldn't they have just left via the hole?

re: #126 BigMoo
Careful, Blix will send you a letter letting you know how much you upset him.:)

re: #125 Nevergiveup

And i can't see my driveway thru all that white stuff?

That white stuff is mother nature's way of providing an insulating blanket, which provides the positive feedback necessary to maintain the frightening slope currently being seen on the hockey stick.

I got that from reading a lot of scientific stuff on the internet, so it has to be true.

Another piece of my youth is gone:

Ex-pitcher Ellis dies of liver disease

Dock Ellis, the former major league pitcher best remembered for his flamboyance and social activism as a member of the great Pittsburgh Pirates teams of the 1970s, died Friday of a liver ailment in California, his former agent, Tom Reich, confirmed. Ellis was 63.

In his autobiography, "Dock Ellis in the Country of Baseball,'' Ellis revealed that he threw a no-hitter against the San Diego Padres in June 1970 while under the influence of LSD.

I remember watching that game.

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

Good observation.
Do you think this represents the 'guilt thing' playing out from the 'well-to-do' set ?

Have you noticed that when a Global Warming advocate appears on TV he's presented as a public service and shown in a documentary format, but when an opponent appears it becomes imperative that his statements are followed with others that explain the truth of the matter? Apparently, to the AGW crowd, balance is only important when your opponent is trying to get a word in edgewise.

re: #118 BigMoo

'Climate change' is undeniable-and it's been undeniable for hundreds of millions of years. I was glad to hear the CNN weather guy finally state the obvious that it's arrogant to state that humans are the prime cause. But then, arrogance seems to be a prime characteristic of the left.
Wonder how much longer the CNN guy will be on the payroll...

If you think about it, the AGW movement is extremely narcissistic.

EIGHT! New inches on snow here in Washington! EIGHT INCHES! Blizzard warnings for all of Washington. Global Warming my @$$!

re: #132 3 wood

Another piece of my youth is gone:

Ex-pitcher Ellis dies of liver disease

I remember watching that game.

I don't think there ever was such a game, drug boy.

re: #136 conservativeChick

EIGHT! New inches on snow here in Washington! EIGHT INCHES! Blizzard warnings for all of Washington. Global Warming my @$$!

State or DC?

re: #130 DEZes

Careful, Blix will send you a letter letting you know how much you upset him.:)

Ohhhh, a sanction from Blix, now THAT'S a enough to drive a change in behavior-and national policy.
NOT

re: #86 MrPaulRevere

What you said.

Any Yankees fans out there?

Sabathia to get $9.5 million from Yankees before season opener

NEW YORK -- CC Sabathia will receive $9.5 million from the New York Yankees before he throws his first official pitch in pinstripes.

His $161 million, seven-year contract includes a $9 million signing bonus. By the time the Yankees open at Baltimore on April 6, he already will have received $6 million of that bonus plus $3.5 million of next year's salary.

So, Sabathia will have $9.5 million in his pocket before he ever reports to spring training.

I keep seeing Carl Pavano in my mind when I think of this deal.

re: #129 sattv4u2

re: #122 Thanos

I thought back in my Hippie Dippie 70's days they convinced me that man had created a hole in the atmosphere (basically,,we broke the sky) by our pollutants. If that were so, how did all these "greenhouse gases" gat trapped in!?!? Wouldn't they have just left via the hole?

When that happened, millions of women (Rosie O'Donnell comes to mind) quit using deodorant. The hole healed over. Actually it didn't, it just got smaller before it got bigger, and now smaller.
That's why the process stopped and reversed itself.
(Largely because of Rosie O'Donnell not using deodorant)

The ultimate question that most AGW proponents fail to address is how many people (poor people, naturally) on Earth will they require to die before balance can be maintained.

re: #136 conservativeChick

EIGHT! New inches on snow here in Washington! EIGHT INCHES! Blizzard warnings for all of Washington. Global Warming my @$$!

You don't understand....
Warming causes the oceans to evaporate, putting more mosture into the atmosphere. The warming cause expected climatic shifts, all directly traceable to YOUR SUV!

/see how easy AGW kool-aid is!

re: #141 3 wood

Any Yankees fans out there?

Sabathia to get $9.5 million from Yankees before season opener

So, Sabathia will have $9.5 million in his pocket before he ever reports to spring training.

I keep seeing Carl Pavano in my mind when I think of this deal.

That's funny, being a Yankee fan, I keep seeing Cy Young. A fat Cy Young, but still....

re: #138 Nevergiveup

State or DC?

State.... Blizzard Warnings.

I like Bjorn Lomborg's ideas. His main point is that even if global warming is as bad as some scientists predict, the costs of fighting it do not come close to justifing the expense.

[Link: lomborg.com...]

re: #142 jwb7605

When that happened, millions of women (Rosie O'Donnell comes to mind) quit using deodorant. The hole healed over. Actually it didn't, it just got smaller before it got bigger, and now smaller.
That's why the process stopped and reversed itself.
(Largely because of Rosie O'Donnell not using deodorant)

Thats an urban myth! Know how I know it is ?

For it to be true would have meant that at some time Rosie actually USED deodorant!

FEH !

re: #53 MrPaulRevere

He will attempt to offset these devastating costs by sending out government checks to those he deems worthy, further tying the lower middle class to the yoke of government. Say what you will about Obama, its a clever strategy.

That has been their strategy for generations. Give people JUST ENOUGH to get by, making sure that they have to do as little real work as possible, and you will have their vote for eternity.

re: #146 jcm

State.... Blizzard Warnings.

I was stuck in the snow storm yesterday here on the east coast. Took me 7 1/2 hours for a 2 1/2 hour trip.

re: #135 Wendya

Like.... 'opiate of the people' as well ?

By the way, Doc Ellis gave up the famous "roof Shot" to Reggie Jackson in the All Star game.

I used to laugh about that till I gave up a blast longer than that in college.

re: #135 Wendya

If you think about it, the AGW movement is extremely narcissistic.

Consensus is more important than common sense to the AGW movement.

re: #148 sattv4u2

Thats an urban myth! Know how I know it is ?

For it to be true would have meant that at some time Rosie actually USED deodorant!

FEH !

OK. Back to research....

re: #145 Nevergiveup

That's funny, being a Yankee fan, I keep seeing Cy Young. A fat Cy Young, but still....

Well, time will tell.

On the third video, the host says re. the debate ..."festering in the dark corners of the internet where bloggers will argue". Am I the only one who caught that? It seems to me the best debates happen right here on LGF. I resent his elitism.

re: #150 Nevergiveup

I was stuck in the snow storm yesterday here on the east coast. Took me 7 1/2 hours for a 2 1/2 hour trip.

YOW, that can be brutal.

My 2 cents from the last creationism thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You guys should watch this debate in full; it is not just Al Gore who's been lying to you. The anti AGW side is festering with the same sort of lies and dishonesty as you will find among the ID crowd.

re: #153 gman

Consensus is more important than common sense to the AGW movement.

I recall somewhere a noted scientist was quoted for saying something like 'consensus makes bad science'-or some such thing- Einstein ?

re: #156 MrPaulRevere

Yes, I caught that too. Sounds (from his adjectives) like he's feeling threatened.

re: #132 3 wood

Another piece of my youth is gone:

Ex-pitcher Ellis dies of liver disease

I remember watching that game.

According to Ellis:

I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria. I was zeroed in on the (catcher's) glove, but I didn't hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters and the bases were loaded two or three times. The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn't. Sometimes I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn't hit hard and never reached me.

Attempting to hit every batter in the Cincinnati Reds lineup on May 1, 1974. In an effort to prove a point to teammates, Ellis hit Pete Rose, Joe Morgan, and Dan Driessen in the top of the first. The clean-up batter Tony Perez avoided Ellis' attempts, instead drawing a walk, and after two pitches aimed at the head of Johnny Bench, Ellis was removed from the game by manager Danny Murtaugh. Ellis' box score for the game reads: 0 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K.

re: #149 MrSnuggles

That has been their strategy for generations. Give people JUST ENOUGH to get by, making sure that they have to do as little real work as possible, and you will have their vote for eternity.

That is the essence of the Democratic Party........don't teach people how to fish, just promise to keep giving them fish.
And by definiton they reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator.

The fault I find on the AGW side is their fundamental failures in two areas:
1. What don't I know about AGW and Compensating factors, and how do I find out *They need to fund some contrary studies*
2. How accurate are the measurements I'm using? *they need to find more data sets and correlate all of them before they project computer modeled hockey sticks, they haven't learned from the Club of Rome models. Like archeological dating methods even two sets of data are suspect, multiple means must be used and the disparities if seen must be pursued.*

Even if people are causing some global warming, we are probably staving off the next ice age.

I would like to see the research that convincingly shows that the planet has really quit the glacial-interglacial cycle.

And here are the San Gabriel Mountains of sunny California, with snow. (Towercam, Pacific time zone.)

Got to go play a music gig.

Later.

re: #145 Nevergiveup

re: #155 3 wood

As a lifelong Red Sox fan, i'll bet Sabathia will be great for the Yankees for this year But next, somewhere in the middle, the combo of his contract (he'll hit a bad stretch and the "is he worth it " crowd will decend) , media, and weight will have him begging out

re: #130 DEZes

Careful, Blix will send you a letter letting you know how much you upset him.:)

He might threaten to conduct a Blixkrieg....and everyone would die laughing.........

re: #166 sattv4u2

re: #155 3 wood

As a lifelong Red Sox fan, i'll bet Sabathia will be great for the Yankees for this year But next, somewhere in the middle, the combo of his contract (he'll hit a bad stretch and the "is he worth it " crowd will decend) , media, and weight will have him begging out

He don't need to beg, he has an opt out clause after 3 years.

Sir David Attenborough - AGW in a nutshell

Dinner time for me...bbl.

re: #168 Nevergiveup

He don't need to beg, he has an opt out clause after 3 years.

He'll beg to pay to get out after 2!

re: #159 BigMoo

I recall somewhere a noted scientist was quoted for saying something like 'consensus makes bad science'-or some such thing- Einstein ?

“To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.”

Margaret Thatcher

re: #167 LGoPs

He might threaten to conduct a Blixkrieg....and everyone would die laughing.........

And wasn't 'Blixen' one of Santa's reindeer ?

re: #168 Nevergiveup

re: #170 sattv4u2

He'll beg to pay to get out after 2!

Some people are New York City type o' people,,, some are not!

re: #163 Thanos

The fault I find on the AGW side is their fundamental failures in two areas:
1. What don't I know about AGW and Compensating factors, and how do I find out *They need to fund some contrary studies*
2. How accurate are the measurements I'm using? *they need to find more data sets and correlate all of them before they project computer modeled hockey sticks, they haven't learned from the Club of Rome models. Like archeological dating methods even two sets of data are suspect, multiple means must be used and the disparities if seen must be pursued.*

I had lunch with a friend a couple weeks ago who mentioned that before the collapse of the Soviet Union, there were 3500 temperature sensors (rough number) there, all government sanctioned.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, 1500 of the government sensors were discontinued.
All of those were in Siberia.
Russia used -- then and now -- averaged data from all sensors to publish temperature data.

re: #170 sattv4u2

He'll beg to pay to get out after 2!

Actually I don't think so. He seems relatively level headed. But I still think the Ynaks need another hitter to prtotect that bumb A-Rod.

re: #171 gman

Thx for digging that up. Not Einstein, but a great person none the less.

re: #163 Thanos

The fault I find on the AGW side is their fundamental failures in two areas:
1. What don't I know about AGW and Compensating factors, and how do I find out *They need to fund some contrary studies*
2. How accurate are the measurements I'm using? *they need to find more data sets and correlate all of them before they project computer modeled hockey sticks, they haven't learned from the Club of Rome models. Like archeological dating methods even two sets of data are suspect, multiple means must be used and the disparities if seen must be pursued.*

You are describing using the scientific method and while correct it fails in light of the fact that to AGW believers this is an article of faith, since this is a religion to them.

Global warming?

Didn't it snow in Las Vegas this week?

re: #159 BigMoo

I recall somewhere a noted scientist was quoted for saying something like 'consensus makes bad science'-or some such thing- Einstein ?

"In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results."

MICHAEL CRICHTON.

I'm glad this is now a topic of debate here on LGF. I'm a global warming skeptic but I always cringe when I see all the anti-global warming links in the science section of the spinoffs.

The video does a good job of exposing some of the inaccuracies of The Swindle but doesn't really address the topics that he's right for criticizing global warming. As most of us have concluded, neither side of this debate is being honest.

I'm still a skeptic, I'm much less worried about CO2 than I am about mercury, pesticides, and other pollutants. I suspect Man Made Global Warming hysteria will calm down in the next few decades when we get a clearer picture of what's really going on with the climate.

Repost from the thread downstairs:

It is worth remembering that the absolute worst polluters in the entire history of Earth are the cyanobacteria -- i.e., little germs that photosynthesize as plants do, taking in carbon dioxide and farting out oxygen. There used to be very little free oxygen gas (O₂) in the Earth's atmosphere, and the earliest bacterial life not only didn't need oxygen, but couldn't tolerate it. Then cyanobacteria came on the scene about 3 billion years ago, and after maybe 2 billion years of their oxygen-farts, the Earth's atmosphere became so oxygen-enriched that 99% of the bacterial life existing at the time went extinct because of all that nasty poisonous O₂ floating around. (Conveniently for us, the same chemical properties that made oxygen so toxic to those primitive bacteria also make multicellular life possible.)

Also, raise your hand if you "get" my new avatar... (I'm just trying to decide if it's worth the trouble of putting on a T-shirt).

re: #174 jwb7605

I had lunch with a friend a couple weeks ago who mentioned that before the collapse of the Soviet Union, there were 3500 temperature sensors (rough number) there, all government sanctioned.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, 1500 of the government sensors were discontinued.
All of those were in Siberia.
Russia used -- then and now -- averaged data from all sensors to publish temperature data.

Side note: Those remote Siberia sensors had RTGs for power, there have been attempts to steal the RTGs for the radioactive materials to sell on the black market.

re: #178 alexknyc

Global warming?

Didn't it snow in Las Vegas this week?

And New Orleans the week before. But we can discount that because that was clearly the work of that fiend Bush......
/

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Mercury --hum--is that a shot at dentists?

re: #128 Thanos

I agree with that approach. Hysteria isn't best answered with more hysteria. There are certainly credible folks like this guy who have taken the rational approach. Somehow their words seem to get drowned out by those with a political agenda that favors global warming being man made. It's really sad that the debate has become more political than scientific, but that's reality unfortunately.

re: #181 Throbert McGee

Do you love chromosomes?

re: #179 DEZes

"In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results."

MICHAEL CRICHTON.

'State of Fear' I'm guessing. What a great book. I can't imagine how angry the Hollywood-enviro crowd must've been at him for that.

re: #180 Killgore Trout

You're right, the focus on CO2 obscures some possibly worse near-term pollution problems:
[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

re: #181 Throbert McGee

Hand raised.......
:)

re: #29 DEZes

Tax the Oceans....

Fee, not taxes. Fees, offsets, and regulations that put you out of business if you haven't "paid to play". Nothing to do with taxes.

re: #174 jwb7605

I had lunch with a friend a couple weeks ago who mentioned that before the collapse of the Soviet Union, there were 3500 temperature sensors (rough number) there, all government sanctioned.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, 1500 of the government sensors were discontinued.
All of those were in Siberia.
Russia used -- then and now -- averaged data from all sensors to publish temperature data.

I'm going to ask the standard question, not because I wish to be contentious, but rather because we've seen both sides exagerate in this debate. Got a link?

re: #29 DEZes

Tax the Oceans....

Tax my patience.....
:)

Maybe it would be a nice idea to get somebody from ScienceBlogs to write a piece explaining global warming to skeptics. They could hang out for an hour or so and field questions/abuse.

I'm surprised we haven't seen any meltdowns on this topic yet. How the hate mail, Charles?

re: #181 Throbert McGee

*raising hand*
And yes, it's definitely worth putting on a t-shirt!

re: #193 Killgore Trout

The idea that weather can stay the same is very silly.

Here's some light reading on our water supply issues:
"Water Implications of Biofuels Production in the United States," click [Link: books.nap.edu...]

It is possible to show warming.
It is not possible to show causation.

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Maybe it would be a nice idea to get somebody from ScienceBlogs to write a piece explaining global warming to skeptics. They could hang out for an hour or so and field questions/abuse.

I'm surprised we haven't seen any meltdowns on this topic yet. How the hate mail, Charles?

I could email fraser from the universetoday and ask him if he would be willing.

re: #181 Throbert McGee

Also, raise your hand if you "get" my new avatar... (I'm just trying to decide if it's worth the trouble of putting on a T-shirt).

"I love xylene?" It's pretty toxic stuff but I use it for cleaning violins sometimes (it disolves many types of dirt and rosin but usually doesn't melt varnish).

re: #183 LGoPs

And New Orleans the week before. But we can discount that because that was clearly the work of that fiend Bush......
/

You can not isolate one weeks climate, or even a cooling trend for a year or two to disprove a 100 year warming trend.
It's the main reason climate change is a better phrase then global warming. Warming can cause greater snow fall, and change weather patterns.

re: #197 under the whip

I was thinking the same thing. This all seems to boil down to the old causation vs. coincidence argument.

re: #196 jaunte

Here's some light reading on our water supply issues:
"Water Implications of Biofuels Production in the United States," click [Link: books.nap.edu...]

Oh, you mean how ethanol production is a MAJOR fresh water hog?

re: #199 Killgore Trout

"I love xylene?" It's pretty toxic stuff but I use it for cleaning violins sometimes (it disolves many types of dirt and rosin but usually doesn't melt varnish).

I think he's referring to women......

I just got an e-mail from my son-in-law.
The "famous exploding pumpkin videos" have been uploaded to YouTube.

#1: an entertaining dud.
#2: a good boom.
#3: surprise!

(These were taken 2 Halloweens ago)
My wife did most of the videos. Pumpkin demolition was done by various and sundry rocket scientists and electronic engineers.
Blast shields and alcohol were involved in the making of the film, and only one camera was injured (terminally).

re: #193 Killgore Trout

I'm surprised we haven't seen any meltdowns on this topic yet.

Maybe we'll have freeze-ups instead.

re: #184 Nevergiveup

Mercury --hum--is that a shot at dentists?

Nah, I eat a lot of fish and mercury is a problem. Especially in long lived large fish like tuna. Their bodies store mercury and then we eat it.

re: #195 debutaunt

The idea that weather can stay the same is very silly.

I don't think anybody is arguing that.

re: #185 The Dude

Ummmm. There's a lot of data there which I'll have to digest, however I will point out two things:

1. He's arguing semantics for the first part, it truly doesn't matter what we call it if the effect is real and demonstrated.
2. He's pimping the video that's been shown to be false in parts above.

re: #200 avanti

Quit moving the goal posts. Do you have a comment about the Global cooling that was being screamed by scientists back in the 70's?

/yes I was there, yes I remember all the hysteria in news and fiction.

Just checking something...

re: #203 LGoPs

I think he's referring to women......

Or not.

re: #210 Charles

Just checking something...

Can you put that in the form of a question?

(music plays)

re: #207 Killgore Trout

I don't think anybody is arguing that.

They changed their chant from global warming to weather change. Silly to think it could be argued.

re: #210 Charles

Ouch

re: #209 BlueCanuck

Quit moving the goal posts. Do you have a comment about the Global cooling that was being screamed by scientists back in the 70's?

/yes I was there, yes I remember all the hysteria in news and fiction.

I remember it as well, it was used in this Pournelle/Niven/Griffen book.

Hole in the Ozone layer?

I'll take global weather change for a thousand Alex...

re: #202 Taqyia2Me

Oh, you mean how ethanol production is a MAJOR fresh water hog?

Downstream polluter, too:
Chesapeake Bay Foundation. 2006. The Chesapeake Bay’s Dead Zone: Increased Nutrient Runoff Leaves Too Little Oxygen in 40 Percent of the Bay’s Mainstem in July. Online fact sheet (.pdf) available at [Link: www.cbf.org...]

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Nah, I eat a lot of fish and mercury is a problem. Especially in long lived large fish like tuna. Their bodies store mercury and then we eat it.

Shit there goes my sushi tonight!

re: #120 LGoPs

Don't be a larmist. Be a lert. This country needs more lerts.....
:)

ping...that's a ding up...:)

re: #215 Thanos

That's an old one. There was one written even earlier. I think it was called "Ice"? Read it back in public school. Very similar to "The Day After Tomorrow".

re: #218 jaunte

Downstream polluter, too:
Chesapeake Bay Foundation. 2006. The Chesapeake Bay’s Dead Zone: Increased Nutrient Runoff Leaves Too Little Oxygen in 40 Percent of the Bay’s Mainstem in July. Online fact sheet (.pdf) available at [Link: www.cbf.org...]

Anybody who promotes increased ethanol production ought to be summarily fired and never allowed to hold a position of any authority ever again.

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Maybe it would be a nice idea to get somebody from ScienceBlogs to write a piece explaining global warming to skeptics.

The scientists should be the skeptics. AGW theories should be greeted with a high degree of skepticism and a requirement for proof that is based on solid evidence. Instead, people who point out the dearth of solid data and the wild conjectures passed off as "evidence" are called "deniers".

re: #220 Dustyvet

ping...that's a ding up...:)

And for people who are overly excited about the whole lert thing...we need more loofs. Be a loof.......

*shamelessly going for another ding*
:)

re: #200 avanti

Warming can cause greater snow fall, and change weather patterns.

That is a very very tendacious claim.

For warming to account for more snow anywhere at all, you have to say the heat evaporates more water over here, and then a great deal of extra COOLING takes place to make it fall as snow. That argues for a lot of extra capacity in keeping an equilibrium.

It is true that, with enough cooling, there is no snow, when the entire world is kept at absolute zero. But then it's also true that, with enough warming, there is no snow, just steam.

For the moment, I just assume anyone who claims that warming accounts for more snow, is a moron, or at least a lot more focused on politics than science. Have a nice day.

re: #200 avanti

Warming can cause greater snow fall, and change weather patterns.

So..... will cooling cause extreme record high temperatures?

Pardon me but, what is AGW?

re: #222 Taqyia2Me

There's the 'water-mining' problem (water removed from aquifer at a rate greater than recharge) with ethanol production as well:
[Link: books.nap.edu...]

re: #227 MandyManners

Pardon me but, what is AGW?

Anthropomorphic Global Warming, us vertical apes being the anthros. Anthropogenic? Something like that.

re: #223 Wendya

I've struggled to keep an open mind on this issue, but when GW skeptics were compared to Holocaust deniers, a huge red flag went up. Its nothing less than intellectual gangsterism.

Holiday sex: Christmas season is peak for mating

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

Speaking of global warming? I wonder, has there actually ever been a match here on LGFs. A real one in person I mean?

re: #229 itellu3times

Anthropomorphic Global Warming, us vertical apes being the anthros. Anthropogenic? Something like that.

I like Asshat Global Warming better.......

re: #227 MandyManners

Pardon me but, what is AGW?

Anthropogenic Global Warming.

re: #200 avanti

You can not isolate one weeks climate, or even a cooling trend for a year or two to disprove a 100 year warming trend.
It's the main reason climate change is a better phrase then global warming. Warming can cause greater snow fall, and change weather patterns.

You can't isolate 1 year from 100 years, but you can isolate 100 years from 4 and a half billion years?

Al Gores Warming.

Looks interesting. A bit hectic at the moment, but I look forward to watching the series.

re: #231 Nevergiveup

Holiday sex: Christmas season is peak for mating

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

Speaking of global warming? I wonder, has there actually ever been a match here on LGFs. A real one in person I mean?

Met my husband on New Years Eve and we were together from that night on for 28 years

re: #55 Iron Fist

And Algore has made millions out of this hoax. I could live with that, but when they want to push my standard of living back to what it would have been before the Industrial Revolution, well, fuck that shit. I don't see them living in a one-room cabin with no power or water in the middle of fucking nowhere in the name of saving the Planet.

At least the Unibomber really believed his own bullshit. The Global Warmists don't. They just want to wreck the economy, and Global Warmism is a convenient wrecking bar.

if the situation is as desperate as these elitists proclaim, w/ extinctions imminent and geological catastrophes just around the corner, how in the hell can these people look themselves in the mirror?
the huge private jets, the fleets of gas guzzling cars, the monstrous ostentatious homes.
the stupid hollywood moonbats polluting to their hearts content.
the algores at the top of this vile scheme to flimflam the public.
the dishonest 'scientists' pushing misinformation as their religion.
so many of these people are so arrogant as to be above the requirements that we must meet.
or else they don't even believe the propaganda.
wouldn't the high echelon hootenannies really conserve if they truly thought the earth was in danger?
and this hoax abt. buying someone else's 'carbon credits' so you can pollute all you want is pure b.s.
that should not be done by anyone who really is a steward of the earth.
it is a stupid and dangerous time we are living in.

re: #233 jcm

Al Gores Whining

re: #234 invictus1

You can't isolate 1 year from 100 years, but you can isolate 100 years from 4 and a half billion years?

Please, let's keep it within the most recent one billion.

re: #179 DEZes

re: #179 DEZes

"In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results."

MICHAEL CRICHTON.

That is the definition of scientific theory. However, there are multiple fields of study out there that can not be empirically reproduced and must be based on computer models and certain basic assumptions. That unfortunately makes such arguments very difficult to refute, even in the face of contradictory evidence (i.e. anthropogenic global warming is now called "climate change" which explains 2008 being a cold year, etc . . .)

Breaking News! !
sun still asleep!

Its all about power and control.

One side wants to show that man has more power and is in control of the environment. The other side says nonsense and that there is a higher power in control of everything.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

What discourages me is the politics and money side of it. You can't turn on the TV or pick up a magazine without getting bombarded with ads for some type of Global Warming reduction product. The infliction of guilt is starting to piss me off.

There is also the fact that scientists who do not follow the AGW line end up with fewer funds to do their work. Throw in Al Gore and his ties to Carbon Credits for profit and I see a huge conflict of interest.

Thanks, Lizards! I thought it was Al Gore Warming.

re: #224 LGoPs

Shamelessly giving you one!

This reminds me of some years ago when my daughter was about 4 and I overheard her tell a little friend that "haive" means "good." She evidently thought "behave" was two words! :)

re: #227 MandyManners

Pardon me but, what is AGW?

"Anthropogenic (man made) Global Warming" as opposed to "Anthropomorphic (man imagining he's the root of all things) Global Warming.

Any serious truth-seeker will admit that AGW is an untestable theory. Period.

re: #241 kafir lover

re: #179 DEZes

That unfortunately makes such arguments very difficult to refute, even in the face of contradictory evidence (i.e. anthropogenic global warming is now called "climate change" which explains 2008 being a cold year, etc . . .)

That's not quite the case; 'climate change' isn't a new thing. And it's completely legitimate.

re: #238 nyc redneck

if the situation is as desperate as these elitists proclaim, w/ extinctions imminent and geological catastrophes just around the corner, how in the hell can these people look themselves in the mirror?
the huge private jets, the fleets of gas guzzling cars, the monstrous ostentatious homes.
the stupid hollywood moonbats polluting to their hearts content.
the algores at the top of this vile scheme to flimflam the public.
the dishonest 'scientists' pushing misinformation as their religion.
so many of these people are so arrogant as to be above the requirements that we must meet.
or else they don't even believe the propaganda.
wouldn't the high echelon hootenannies really conserve if they truly thought the earth was in danger?
and this hoax abt. buying someone else's 'carbon credits' so you can pollute all you want is pure b.s.
that should not be done by anyone who really is a steward of the earth.
it is a stupid and dangerous time we are living in.

The libtard credo is 'Do as I say, not as I do"...........bastards.

re: #231 Nevergiveup

This is not a new trend. My birthday is in late August.

Climate change is not a "commie lie." Earth's climate is not a static thing, it is a dynamic system that is always changing. At various times during the earth's geological past, the climate has been both warmer and cooler than now and has oscillated between cold and hot many times. The potential impact of human activity on the earth's atmosphere is also not a "commie lie." We know we have affected the opacity of the atmosphere to UV light by releasing large amounts of CFCs, for example. In this instance the effect was an undesirable chemical reaction between CFCs and ozone molecules. There is no reason human activity could not affect the opacity of the atmosphere to IR light by releasing large amounts of CO2. In this case, the effect is to make the atmosphere less transparent or more lossy in the infrared wavelengths. The reason the atmosphere is sensitive is because the transmission light rays moving through lossy materials is attenuated along an exponentially decaying curve. Small increases in greenhouse gases can, in time, add up to significant amounts of thermal energy being absorbed by the atmosphere.

The greenhouse effect is well-understood. However, the topic is so politicized, that it is nearly impossible to talk about it in dispassionate terms. In the mainstream press the dialog verges on catastrophism. Popular movies such as Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth and The Day After Tomorrow exaggerate the picture through visions of hurricanes and tidal waves. The real picture of long term climate change is very different. The truth is within a long, but undetermined length of time (centuries, millenia?) we will face a climate that will support alligators and palm trees in Seattle, Washington, and an Antarctic continent able to support evergreen forests. But no one truly knows exactly what shape weather pattens will take, except that it will be warmer and wetter, and low-lying coastal areas will be covered by rising seas. All of this is, of course, highly disruptive to economic activity because so much of the human population lives close to the sea shore. However, it is not as if we won't be able to adapt to the change, because it will happen gradually.

The answers supplied by current political leadership (carbon credits, command economics) are wrong answers because the politicians aren't asking the right questions. They're asking "how do we stop change" when they should be asking "how should human civilization cope with change." It may already be too late to stop any long term warming trend, and even if we are at the cusp, good luck getting the developing world to sign on to stopping industrial activity. We can't even stop slash and burn agriculture.

Little Green Footballs seems reasonable on science when it comes to biology and evolution. I hope people realize the swindle in the global warming debate is not the notion that the climate will change, or even the cause behind any change. It is the policies that governments establish to combat such change that are likely to be wasteful and non-productive. Also, over-hyped global warming catastrophism diverts the public's attention from genuine environmental issues such as nitrogen and phosphorous runoff from agriculture causing plankton blooms in coastal fishing waters, or the monitoring and management of underground aquifers, or other air or water quality issues.

re: #243 Racer X

Its all about power and control.

One side wants to show that man has more power and is in control of the environment. The other side says nonsense and that there is a higher power in control of everything.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

What discourages me is the politics and money side of it. You can't turn on the TV or pick up a magazine without getting bombarded with ads for some type of Global Warming reduction product. The infliction of guilt is starting to piss me off.

There is also the fact that scientists who do not follow the AGW line end up with fewer funds to do their work. Throw in Al Gore and his ties to Carbon Credits for profit and I see a huge conflict of interest.

This AGW Bu*&*#$%it is all about money. Follow the money.

re: #248 Cognito

Explain please

re: #253 kafir lover

Explain please

I'm not sure what you're asking me to explain...

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re: #243 Racer X

Its all about power and control.

One side wants to show that man has more power and is in control of the environment. The other side says nonsense and that there is a higher power in control of everything.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

What discourages me is the politics and money side of it. You can't turn on the TV or pick up a magazine without getting bombarded with ads for some type of Global Warming reduction product. The infliction of guilt is starting to piss me off.

There is also the fact that scientists who do not follow the AGW line end up with fewer funds to do their work. Throw in Al Gore and his ties to Carbon Credits for profit and I see a huge conflict of interest.

I'm beginning to hate the color green.

re: #255 Charles

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Fence sitter!

(Me too.)

re: #254 Cognito

My point was that "anthropogenic" global warming has now become synonymous with "climate change" - meaning any weather related change can be attributed to man's activities. Is that what you meant by legitimate?