Free the Music, Man!
/

No Black Sabbath?

THOSE
BASTARDS,
R

Free the Man, Music!

I wonder how quickly stuff will get pulled.

this blatant greed is getting out of control.

Will they want a piece of the pie if I walk down the street humming one of their tunes?

Just for the "record" 90 percent of my $ comes from live performances.

They want a bigger piece so they can divide it up and share with the rest of us, right?

Watch videos all of the time on youtube. This sucks. But, I'm not the guys who made the music, videos etc. So I get it. But it sucks.

Song in my nic is still there- whew!

PAY UP GOOGLE, YOU FRICKIN' CHEAP SKATE BASTARDS!

NEVER
SAY
DIE,
R

To me, it just seems You Tube gives more exposure to a particular piece of music which would result in more sales. Naivete, I guess.

Good for them, I've been wondering about it for a while.

It may not *work*, but on principle, I'm with them.

Oh, and for the obligatory "GO COWBOYS!"

This will just lead to a rise in 'unauthorized' videos of the ones that are pulled. When one is yanked another will go up.

re: #6 rawmuse

Just for the "record" 90 percent of my $ comes from live performances.

Are you on Youtube?

I guess it's just angry cats from now on...

Who all is getting pulled?

Well, time to re-edit my play lists yet again.
/wish they kept it the way it was couple of months ago.
//out of here, time to shovel some global warming.

Sure. Every time a tune plays, a nickel should drop into a corporate cup somewhere. Sounds reasonable.

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

I guess it's just angry cats from now on...

That's one of the scariest sounds ever.

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

I guess it's just angry cats from now on...

that is one pissed off cat. Check out them ears.

I fully support artists getting paid for their work. We need rich entertainers making as much as possible to support 0bama's tax increases.

This is still up.

re: #18 MandyManners

Who all is getting pulled?

Anyone that is recorded by Warner Music.

A list from wikipedia, I'm sure this isn't nearly all of them:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #6 rawmuse

I'm pretty sure even guys with recording contracts make most of their money from live performances. Recorded music mostly lines the pockets of the label and its executives.

re: #18 MandyManners

Who all is getting pulled?

/leave it alone, Noam...

re: #23 Sharmuta

I fully support artists getting paid for their work. We need rich entertainers making as much as possible to support 0bama's tax increases.

I have no problem with artists getting paid for their work. But over and over and over again every time it is played somewhere? What is reasonable?

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure even guys with recording contracts make most of their money from live performances. Recorded music mostly lines the pockets of the label and its executives.

We need them to support 0bama's tax increases too.

It's our music.

/and you can't see it

I wonder if they know how much music I end up buying after watching the video on YouTube or similar sources...

re: #18 MandyManners

Who all is getting pulled?

It's a big list, I used to work there, and they used to have a partial list online but I can't find it now. The thing is, if they pull it off Youtube, they should host the equivalent on their own site, but do they, no. Hollywood suits.

brb, gonna clip the chihuahua's nails.

re: #22 Outrider

that is one pissed off cat. Check out them ears.

/sounds just like Geddy Lee

re: #27 Noam Sayin'

/leave it alone, Noam...

Ditto...

The Navy wishes to offer counter argument...

re: #31 David IV of Georgia

I wonder if they know how much music I end up buying after watching the video on YouTube or similar sources...

Yes that's a valid argument, but. I'm sure all they're asking for is an accounting and a token payment in the penny range. Problem is if you don't do that, you are threatening the strength of your own copyrights. Yada yada.

Are either Atlantic or Epic part of Warner?

re: #25 middlecon

Anyone that is recorded by Warner Music.

A list from wikipedia, I'm sure this isn't nearly all of them:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks!

re: #32 itellu3times

It's a big list, I used to work there, and they used to have a partial list online but I can't find it now. The thing is, if they pull it off Youtube, they should host the equivalent on their own site, but do they, no. Hollywood suits.

Capitalism sucks at times.

re: #32 itellu3times

It's a big list, I used to work there, and they used to have a partial list online but I can't find it now. The thing is, if they pull it off Youtube, they should host the equivalent on their own site, but do they, no. Hollywood suits.

One of my gripes is not being able to find older music. The labels will not record it for purchase and the labels don't want you downloading or listening to somewhere else? Moms Mabley for example. That leaves a person with piracy or hoping to find a friend with a copy.

re: #27 Noam Sayin'

/leave it alone, Noam...

You're no fun.

What the labels and most of the musicians fail to understand is that the days of selling recorded music is pretty much gone. Musicians can still make a good living performing and licensing music for movies, etc. but album sales are longer going to be the cash cow they once were.
I think this will soon cause a renaissance in cool new music because artists no longer have to go through record companies to be heard.

This is why, whenever I find something on YouTube that is really rare and that I really want, I immediately download a copy to my hard drive. 80% of the time, the video ends up later disappearing from YouTube. But at least I saved my personal copy. There are a few that I didn't download that I'm still regretting today, since they're now gone.

re: #38 David IV of Georgia

Atlantic does seem to be part of Warner, Epic is owned by Sony.

re: #36 Noam Sayin'

The Navy wishes to offer counter argument...

impressive.

re: #36 Noam Sayin'

The Navy wishes to offer counter argument...

AWESOME!

re: #36 Noam Sayin'

The Navy wishes to offer counter argument...

How phallic.

re: #34 Killian Bundy

/sounds just like Geddy Lee

Almost identical...

re: #41 Outrider

One of my gripes is not being able to find older music. The labels will not record it for purchase and the labels don't want you downloading or listening to somewhere else? Moms Mabley for example. That leaves a person with piracy or hoping to find a friend with a copy.

That's the "long tail" theory, that the Internet especially makes it practical to keep old stuff online and available. I tried to do an analysis of that when I worked there, and it seemed to be valid.

Like I said, Hollywood suits, have to be dragged kicking and screaming into a new paradigm that will after all make them richer than ever.

re: #44 zombie

This is why, whenever I find something on YouTube that is really rare and that I really want, I immediately download a copy to my hard drive. 80% of the time, the video ends up later disappearing from YouTube. But at least I saved my personal copy. There are a few that I didn't download that I'm still regretting today, since they're now gone.

How does one download to the hard drive?

re: #43 Killgore Trout

What the labels and most of the musicians fail to understand is that the days of selling recorded music is pretty much gone. Musicians can still make a good living performing and licensing music for movies, etc. but album sales are longer going to be the cash cow they once were.
I think this will soon cause a renaissance in cool new music because artists no longer have to go through record companies to be heard.

That's one of the really cool things about Weezer- they embraced the new technology. Released a couple of songs on their website, allowed fans to download them for free- and that album they sold through the roof. Can't remember which album it was now though... the green one?

i support the artists on this one free in this case is stolen.

You may be freezing, but we're "ALL ABUZZ!"

The Big"0" has landed...

re: #49 Noam Sayin'

Almost identical...

Brings back of cruising down country roads, smoking a joint.

Crap! Hope Bjork's not Warner- I love her stuff.

At least they aren't getting this one.

re: #54 IslandLibertarian

Does Obama surf?

re: #51 MandyManners

I have used this site to download from Youtube, works well:

[Link: www.techcrunch.com...]

Grinches!

re: #55 MandyManners

Brings back of cruising down country roads, smoking a joint.

You crack me up Mandy!

re: #48 MandyManners

How phallic.

Heh™

re: #48 MandyManners

How phallic.

This is my rifle,
This is my gun.

Those were guns...

re: #43 Killgore Trout

It brings up an interesting moral and ethical issue: Are some professions simply not the kind of professions one ought to become wealthy from? I'm thinking specifically of musicians and doctors. The socialized medicine debate comes down to the question: Is providing medical care a "right" that everyone deserves to receive free of charge; or is it merely a way for doctors to become rich? Same applies to music and musicians, in a sense. One could sensibly argue that some musicians and doctors have become wealthy beyond all reasonable measure.

re: #58 Iron Fist

I hated to see the battleships go. I know cruise missiles and such are better weapons, but there is something about a battleship that commands respect.

My feelings exactly.

re: #50 itellu3times

That's the "long tail" theory, that the Internet especially makes it practical to keep old stuff online and available. I tried to do an analysis of that when I worked there, and it seemed to be valid.

Like I said, Hollywood suits, have to be dragged kicking and screaming into a new paradigm that will after all make them richer than ever.

I would love to see it. Most CDs or Albums you buy there is one or two hits, a couple mediocre songs and a couple losers. By adopting a new internet system maybe it will force artists to put out good songs and weed the album "fillers"

On a related note, sat down and watched Mama Mia with my wife on BluRay.

I am no critic, but some things just stand out as award worthy.

The Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences needs a new category: "Double Entendre of the Year" which should go to Pierce Brosnan singing "SOS".

As in "SOS - I need a voice coach badly".

Regrettably, this song has not been pulled from YouTube - judge for yourself.

re: #58 Iron Fist

Too many peeps, to much $

re: #37 itellu3times

Yes that's a valid argument, but. I'm sure all they're asking for is an accounting and a token payment in the penny range. Problem is if you don't do that, you are threatening the strength of your own copyrights. Yada yada.

I'm far more likely to buy an album (or cd) if I've actually heard the music and know something about the album. I rarely buy albums, even from bands and performers I like, if I don't know what I'm buying. Just one less way to preview music. At least iTunes will let me hear about 45 minutes of a song before I buy it. (I then subsequently remove all right protection so that I can make fair use of the song and make backups as is my legal right to do so.)

re: #11 Render

RENDER!

re: #41 Outrider

One of my gripes is not being able to find older music. The labels will not record it for purchase and the labels don't want you downloading or listening to somewhere else? Moms Mabley for example. That leaves a person with piracy or hoping to find a friend with a copy.

I have pretty good luck, because I often am looking for "older" music as well, and I don't give up easily. I will admit to occasionally using "P2P" programs like Limewire, where on a good day, you can indeed find very old and obscure stuff. And there are a few blogs, like "I'm Learning to Share," that often uploads very obscure old stuff that is otherwise not for sale.

re: #55 MandyManners

Brings back of cruising down country roads, smoking a joint.

... steering with your knee, 'cuz you know all the turns by feel.

You big city folks missed out on something.

re: #44 zombie

This is why, whenever I find something on YouTube that is really rare and that I really want, I immediately download a copy to my hard drive. 80% of the time, the video ends up later disappearing from YouTube. But at least I saved my personal copy. There are a few that I didn't download that I'm still regretting today, since they're now gone.

Someone had placed all of the "Yes, Minister" and "Black Adder" episodes on you tube and I had assumed they'd just be there on demand. Wanted to watch Yes Minister last week and they were gone (already own the Black Adder series on DVD).

If you are a talented musician and can't make money, I think thats a YOU problem :(

I know back in the day people got robbed from, but with so many ways to sell your music nowadays and venues to perform it would seem like the money making part wouldn't be that hard.

Take Guitar playing for instance, with all the kids into Guitar Hero, there has to be some kind of surge in demand for kids wanting guitar lessons, you could make some dough at that if nothing else.

re: #60 middlecon

I have used this site to download from Youtube, works well:

[Link: www.techcrunch.com...]

Higher than my pay grade. I'll try to figure it out. Thanks!

re: #62 HoosierHoops

You crack me up Mandy!

Memories are funny things. I can smell a certain perfume and go back in time.

re: #65 zombie

It brings up an interesting moral and ethical issue: Are some professions simply not the kind of professions one ought to become wealthy from? I'm thinking specifically of musicians and doctors. The socialized medicine debate comes down to the question: Is providing medical care a "right" that everyone deserves to receive free of charge; or is it merely a way for doctors to become rich? Same applies to music and musicians, in a sense. One could sensibly argue that some musicians and doctors have become wealthy beyond all reasonable measure.

Well, it's a problem. If ten million people want to spend their lunch money on an album, it's only fair the artist gets a reasonable piece of the money, and yet, it adds up to a big number for a long haired, overfed, leaping gnome. Meanwhile, a doctor may save lives and ease pain, and still get rich, if at a slower pace. OTOH, the doctor to some extent extorts big payments from ill people, not beguiling lunch money from some spoiled kids. Is it fair? Danged if I know. Just wish I could pull a few more kilobucks/year out of da system.

re: #63 Noam Sayin'

Heh™

Well, it is.

re: #51 MandyManners

How does one download to the hard drive?

Well, with Safari on a Mac, which I use:

Go the the YouTube page in question;
quickly choose "Activity" from the "Window" menu in Safari;
look for the biggest file listed;
double-click it.

The video will download to your hard drive. The you add the ".flv" extension to the end of the file name. Done.

re: #64 jcm

This is my rifle,
This is my gun.

Those were guns...

I wish we'd point those at some pirates.

re: #65 zombie

It brings up an interesting moral and ethical issue: Are some professions simply not the kind of professions one ought to become wealthy from? I'm thinking specifically of musicians and doctors. The socialized medicine debate comes down to the question: Is providing medical care a "right" that everyone deserves to receive free of charge; or is it merely a way for doctors to become rich? Same applies to music and musicians, in a sense. One could sensibly argue that some musicians and doctors have become wealthy beyond all reasonable measure.

As soon as we determine what is "reasonable" we'll all be poor.

re: #58 Iron Fist

There's always the chance they could be re-commissioned, and re-purposed with intelligent projectiles - something that could be launched 10-12 miles into the sky and wait for a target of opportunity. I've only heard of such speculation.

Mandy, I think that "hanging" scene is about to pop up on Wizard of Oz...

Looks like my nic song is safe, as is Killgore's Birthday Boy's

re: #78 MandyManners

Memories are funny things. I can smell a certain perfume and go back in time.

I can hear a certain song and be there in that exact moment...

re: #69 Iron Fist

Riding shotgun. With a shotgun...

Nah. I was a care-free kid, with the exception of blowing up mailboxes.

re: #84 Noam Sayin'

Nope. It's over.

re: #58 Iron Fist

I hated to see the battleships go. I know cruise missiles and such are better weapons, but there is something about a battleship that commands respect.

Deep respect!

I can point to dozens of albums in my vinyl collection that were never released in any other form.

I find it difficult, if not impossible, to believe that those artists really wanted their hard work hidden from public view.

While I understand Lars Ulrichs point, I still think he's a hypocrite. He would never have heard the Persian Risk album if somebody hadn't made him a bootleg tape of it.

*Persian Risk founder Phil Campbell is currently the guitar slinger for Motorhead.

STILL
AIN'T,
R

re: #74 Noam Sayin'

... steering with your knee, 'cuz you know all the turns by feel.

You big city folks missed out on something.

I'm 5'2". My knees didn't reach.

re: #51 MandyManners

How does one download to the hard drive?

If you're not using Safari, then simply add the word "kiss" directly before "youtube" in the address bar, and you'll get a download link.

For example, if you want to download this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRzTfgds0UI

re: #81 zombie

Well, with Safari on a Mac, which I use:

Go the the YouTube page in question;
quickly choose "Activity" from the "Window" menu in Safari;
look for the biggest file listed;
double-click it.

The video will download to your hard drive. The you add the ".flv" extension to the end of the file name. Done.

I've a PC. I'll figure out something. Thanks!

re: #85 Sharmuta

Heh, my nic used to link to that one. I think you were the one that tipped me off to that song.

re: #92 gmsc

If you're not using Safari, then simply add the word "kiss" directly before "youtube" in the address bar, and you'll get a download link.

For example, if you want to download this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRzTfgds0UI

...you would use the following URL:
http://www.kissyoutube.com/watch?v=tRzTfgds0UI

I think public domain laws should be shortened to say even 40 or 50 years?

There is so much 'forgotten' music that if it was available maybe it would find a new audience.

re: #93 MandyManners

I've a PC. I'll figure out something. Thanks!

See message #95 for the solution.

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Heh, my nic used to link to that one. I think you were the one that tipped me off to that song.

I was- you changed it?! It was so... you.

re: #86 HoosierHoops

I can hear a certain song and be there in that exact moment...

Styx Sailing Away: senior prom.

re: #84 Noam Sayin'

There's always the chance they could be re-commissioned, and re-purposed with intelligent projectiles - something that could be launched 10-12 miles into the sky and wait for a target of opportunity. I've only heard of such speculation.

Mandy, I think that "hanging" scene is about to pop up on Wizard of Oz...

Missed it.

re: #80 MandyManners

Well, it is.

Absolutely.

Also- the greatest music video ever made is safe.

re: #98 Sharmuta

I've been reading a lot of Chuck Palahniuk lately so I switched to the Fight Club song.

re: #92 gmsc

If you're not using Safari, then simply add the word "kiss" directly before "youtube" in the address bar, and you'll get a download link.

For example, if you want to download this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRzTfgds0UI

Awww. I wonder if Petey likes popcorn.

re: #41 Outrider

One of my gripes is not being able to find older music. The labels will not record it for purchase and the labels don't want you downloading or listening to somewhere else? Moms Mabley for example. That leaves a person with piracy or hoping to find a friend with a copy.

Although it is very easy to pirate almost any song, I only pirate music when there is no other legal means that I have to acquire a copy or to test a new program. Pirated music I own that I find a legal way to acquire I usually, but not always delete and buy. I have ordered music from Japan through a British vendor because it was the best legal source without pirating. Seeing a favorite band's album with Japanese script all over it is quaint.

bbiab

re: #58 Iron Fist

a small ship from a two bit hell hole can now sink the battlewagons.

ww2 was the end of the battleship

re: #65 zombie

Is providing medical care a "right" that everyone deserves to receive free of charge; or is it merely a way for doctors to become rich?

Good doctors should be paid well - otherwise, what' the incentive to go through all those years of medical school?

If medical care becomes a "right" (which it already is (Medicare) )
then we have to brace ourselves for lower quality heath care (as the pool of good doctors shrinks)

re: #90 Render

I can point to dozens of albums in my vinyl collection that were never released in any other form.

I find it difficult, if not impossible, to believe that those artists really wanted their hard work hidden from public view.

I'd say that well over 50% of the old vinyl (and acetate) I own contains music that was never digitized. That's why I keep it. I got thousands of songs that are essentially inaccessible to anyone except me and the few other people on the globe who happen to own whichever obscure 45, 78 or 33. I'd be a crying shame to lose it forever because some corporate schmuck has a stick up his butt about getting royalties. Hey, you're not getting royalties for it now anyway, so if i digitize one of these (for example) Rhodesian coal miner chorus 78s, I ought to be able to give it away.

re: #56 Sharmuta

Crap! Hope Bjork's not Warner- I love her stuff.

My son's band has the same label as hers/ Ind. English recording co. Nothing to do w/Warners as far as I know. BTW, I recall him forever listening to other bands on youtube, for whatever that's worth :)/

re: #100 MandyManners

Missed it.

Me, too. I've seen the video on Youtube, and watched the deconstruction. There's nothing there.

re: #85 Sharmuta

Looks like my nic song is safe, as is Killgore's Birthday Boy's

didn't Charles post this (see below) once?

so cool

re: #73 zombie

I have pretty good luck, because I often am looking for "older" music as well, and I don't give up easily. I will admit to occasionally using "P2P" programs like Limewire, where on a good day, you can indeed find very old and obscure stuff. And there are a few blogs, like "I'm Learning to Share," that often uploads very obscure old stuff that is otherwise not for sale.

thanks, I haven't aggressively pursued many of the songs I'm looking for as I'm still trying to get my own vinyl onto the hard drive. But I will check out the ones you mentioned. ;-)>

re: #114 FrogMarch

See #102

re: #55 MandyManners

Brings back of cruising down country roads, smoking a joint.

Was that you in the back seat?

/rush fan sarc

re: #113 Iron Fist

Who defines what is "reasonable" if not the market itself?

That's easy - Barack Obama. We don't need a market anymore!

/

A few days back someone posted an old song from YouTube that was a 78rpm single. When's the last time you've seen a 78 (not including my Mom's collection) even in an old record store?

There is something sentimental about the hiss and pops of those old records.

re: #116 Sharmuta

See #102

*must learn to read up-thread* Best. Video. Ever.

re: #115 Outrider

thanks, I haven't aggressively pursued many of the songs I'm looking for as I'm still trying to get my own vinyl onto the hard drive. But I will check out the ones you mentioned. ;-)>

Here's I'm Learning To Share!

It's one of several similar blogs that specialize in digitizing very old and obscure music, and offering the mp3s for free.

re: #109 zombie

She's Not There

43 years, for cryin' out loud!

re: #81 zombie

Well, with Safari on a Mac, which I use:

Go the the YouTube page in question;
quickly choose "Activity" from the "Window" menu in Safari;
look for the biggest file listed;
double-click it.

The video will download to your hard drive. The you add the ".flv" extension to the end of the file name. Done.

re: #92 gmsc

If you're not using Safari, then simply add the word "kiss" directly before "youtube" in the address bar, and you'll get a download link.

For example, if you want to download this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRzTfgds0UI

...you would use the following URL:
http://www.kissyoutube.com/watch?v=tRzTfgds0UI

Besides these two approaches, another good program is Miro, which acts sort of like a TiVo for your computer. It will search more video sites than you probably knew were out there, as well as many other video sources and "channels", let you know of the results, and will download them to your hard drive for you to keep and watch.

If you don't tell it otherwise, it will remove the files after a specified number of hours, days, or weeks, to help keep your hard drive space as usable as possible. If you like a particular video, though, you can easily tell it to keep the video on your hard drive permanently.

re: #59 itellu3times

He tries to body-surf...all form, no function...

Bastids!

There's always Charlie Brown...

re: #111 Dustyvet

I wiil be eating at Long John Silver's tomorrow despite the billion milligrams of salt. You're in a different country and culture now get over it or move somewhere you feel comfortable.

On a "who cares?" tangent ...

I made pasta from scratch last night for the first time last night. It was easier than I thought it would be and quite tasty when it is fresh.

Now I'm in a Your text to link...Fatboy funk, Maybe I should go dancing.

/Last one's going out to Bearhead Bob

re: #121 zombie

Here's I'm Learning To Share!

It's one of several similar blogs that specialize in digitizing very old and obscure music, and offering the mp3s for free.

Very cool site .. thanks for sharing! :)

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

She's Not There

43 years, for cryin' out loud!

I love the Zombies! Although I wasn't thinking of them when I chose my online user name.

I have a nice little cache of totally rare Zombies 45s.

re: #120 FrogMarch

*must learn to read up-thread* Best. Video. Ever.

First time I saw it, I was bowling.

I wish I had enough hard drive space for the really rare old TV shows. For example:

Uh, oh! Chongo! It's Danger Island!

re: #119 David IV of Georgia

I have a gramaphone. I buy 78's at thrift stores. There's some great old music out there that I've never heard.

re: #128 karmic_inquisitor

On a "who cares?" tangent ...

I made pasta from scratch last night for the first time last night. It was easier than I thought it would be and quite tasty when it is fresh.

I care. How'd you do that? Sounds good.

re: #128 karmic_inquisitor

On a "who cares?" tangent ...

I made pasta from scratch last night for the first time last night. It was easier than I thought it would be and quite tasty when it is fresh.

I recently had some "spaghetti alla ghitarra" (the original kind of homemade Italian pasta). Mmmm-mmm good!

re: #107 yochanan

Actually, not true. Modern anti-shipping missiles would do little more then scuff the paint on an Iowa class battleship. However the Iowas had long since reached a point where they could not be modernized enough to keep up with electronics and propulsion. In addition nobody makes replacement barrels for the 16inch rifles.

Having reached the conclusion that the Iowas are now passed their retirement age, I'm proposing a new battleship class.

Same size, weight, speed, and armor thickness (this is a must). All modern electronics and weapons (including new 16inch rifles), and nuclear powered.

Most people aren't aware that there is a Congressional law that requires that the Navy have the ability to provide massive overkill levels of off-shore fire support (my wording, not theirs) for the USMC.

The US Navy has been in violation of that law since the day the last of the Iowas went into mothballs.

IWO
JIMA,
R

Actually- I have to take back what I said about the Fatboy Slim video- it's a tie for greatest music video ever made. This is it's equal.

re: #134 Killgore Trout

I have a gramaphone. I buy 78's at thrift stores. There's some great old music out there that I've never heard.

I too collect 78s, but I just have a standard turntable with a 78 setting -- not an actual Gramophone! That takes dedication.

Yes, there is some great music on 78s that has never ever ever been rereleased in any format.

re: #132 Sharmuta

First time I saw it, I was bowling.

literally- bowling? At the bowling alley?
The song is great too.. Makes me want to wiggle my fanny.

re: #128 karmic_inquisitor

Do you have an Atlas? It's a little pricey but it's worth the investment. Also if you have one of those Seal-a-meal type things you can make a large batch of dough, separate into smaller lumps, seal it and it will store in the fridge for 4-6 weeks (maybe longer). When you want fresh pasta just open one up and roll it out. I do it all the time.

re: #111 Dustyvet

In November, a Muslim family visited a Long John Silver's restaurant at the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minn., and ordered a children's meal for their three-year-old son. They noticed that the toy that came with the meal was a small notepad with the phrase "Build with Jesus" written at the top along with a quote from the Bible.[...]

Oh my sweet Lord! My poor child is probably traumatized for life and will probably require extensive therapy. Crap. As Jesus is also a recognized prophet in their "religion" why should this create a problem for them?

“We simply cannot accept terms that fail to appropriately and fairly compensate recording artists, songwriters, labels and publishers for the value they provide,” Warner said in a statement.

Oh puh-lease. Like the artists, songwriters, etc. would ever see a dime from that, even if Warner began rolling in revenue from such ventures.

re: #121 zombie

Here's I'm Learning To Share!

It's one of several similar blogs that specialize in digitizing very old and obscure music, and offering the mp3s for free.

I thought I was the only one who read that thing!

re: #138 Sharmuta

Actually- I have to take back what I said about the Fatboy Slim video- it's a tie for greatest music video ever made. This is it's equal.

The more important question is: what is the WORST video ever made?

Here's my nomination, which will be hard to top.

re: #119 David IV of Georgia

I think I saw that youtube video. It's from some guy named Zefrenm or something like that. And if I remember correctly he posted the song because some recently released video game has it in the soundtrack!

re: #133 gmsc

I wish I had enough hard drive space for the really rare old TV shows. For example:

Uh, oh! Chongo! It's Danger Island!

You can go out and buy a 500 GB portable hard drive for under $200. That'll hold a lot of TV shows.

Google's a bunch of damn Scrooges. They should get a visit from the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future.

Also the Ghosts of Independence Day.

re: #140 VegasRick

YUM!'s response skould be "We at YUM! believe in Jesus as the Son of God and will continue to run OUR business as we see fit". "Enclosed please find a 10% off coupon for any of our delicious pork products".
"In closing, let me say we do appreciate the input".
"Fuck you very much"
YUM!

Substitute the pork part for "off the cost of your meal" and you have a winner. I find offering up gratuitous insults counterproductive. That said, you have the right of it. Yum! should concede nothing and essentially tell CAIR to pound sand.

Yes I am now on YouTube, in several different groups spanning several decades.

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Do you have an Atlas? It's a little pricey but it's worth the investment. Also if you have one of those Seal-a-meal type things you can make a large batch of dough, separate into smaller lumps, seal it and it will store in the fridge for 4-6 weeks (maybe longer). When you want fresh pasta just open one up and roll it out. I do it all the time.

I have one. I used to make fresh pasta all the time, which spoiled me for non-fresh pasta. I don't use it much now, since I don't cook much anymore (I nuke).

re: #146 zombie

The more important question is: what is the WORST video ever made?

Here's my nomination, which will be hard to top.

That's easy- anything with Morrisey in it- like this.

re: #146 zombie

The more important question is: what is the WORST video ever made?

Here's my nomination, which will be hard to top.

How about the rickroll?

re: #149 Sharmuta

Google's a bunch of damn Scrooges. They should get a visit from the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future.

Also the Ghosts of Independence Day.

After I read on TMZ that Brittany Spears makes 680,000.00 a month..
I prefer my Artists poor and starving..

re: #146 zombie

The more important question is: what is the WORST video ever made?

Here's my nomination, which will be hard to top.

that's not just a bad video - It's a horrid song!

Another.

re: #138 Sharmuta

Actually- I have to take back what I said about the Fatboy Slim video- it's a tie for greatest music video ever made. This is it's equal.

Ever see the Futurama episode where the Beastie Boys perform? You haven't lived until you've heard Sabotage done barbershop style!

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

I guess it's just angry cats from now on...

I much prefer the talking cats.

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Substitute the pork part for "off the cost of your meal" and you have a winner. I find offering up gratuitous insults counterproductive. That said, you have the right of it. Yum! should concede nothing and essentially tell CAIR to pound sand.

I'll give you that. These perennial victims and whiners make me want to puke. BTW, pound sand? Fruedian or Punster?
/

re: #152 Cattt

It's a fine piece of machinery. I use mine so often that I just leave it attached to the counter top.

re: #137 Render

4 words: They cost 2 much.

Thats it, they are cool, love to have em, best ever.

re: #153 Sharmuta

That's easy- anything with Morrisey in it- like this.

I think I had an epileptic fit and I don't have epilepsy from that thing.

This may not count as the best video ever made, but it is highly entertaining and fall into the "how the hell did they do that?" category, if you try to ponder how they went from scene to scene. Plus, if you're not familiar with Halcali, prepare to have your mind opened to a style of music you may never had heard before -- Japanese mambo teenybopper rap!

When I go to hell, it will be nothing but Morrisey and all the office equipment that hates me.

re: #158 Cattt

I much prefer the talking cats.

My cat Tiger would have nothing to do with this...

re: #162 David IV of Georgia

I think I had an epileptic fit and I don't have epilepsy from that thing.

Behold the power of Morrisey!

re: #154 davinvalkri

How about the rickroll?

I like the rickroll.

re: #159 VegasRick

I'll give you that. These perennial victims and whiners make me want to puke. BTW, pound sand? Fruedian or Punster?
/

Punster. My father has always been in love with puns and he passed some of the trait on to me.

re: #146 zombie

The more important question is: what is the WORST video ever made?

Here's my nomination, which will be hard to top.

OK, if you want to start nominating worsts, may I suggest:

Nominee A

Nominee B

Nominee C

Nominee D

Nominee E (Or, if that's not bad enough, how about the same song by the same artist, but on Helium!)

re: #167 Cattt

I like the rickroll.

Here's your Rick then.

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Punster. My father has always been in love with puns and he passed some of the trait on to me.

I love them as well.

re: #146 zombie

The more important question is: what is the WORST video ever made?

Here's my nomination, which will be hard to top.

Impressive.
How about this?

re: #167 Cattt

I like the rickroll.

Even this version?
;)

Robert A. Bailey, 87, of Hendersonville was awarded the Silver Star today after he saved a fellow serviceman’s life 63 years ago during World War II in Germany.

The Silver Star is the third highest military decoration that can be awarded to a member of the U.S. Armed Forces. It is for “gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States.”

Bailey will be reunited with the man he saved today in Washington D.C. for the first time since the two men, along with the rest of their unit, were ambushed by Germans on March 19, 1945.

re: #135 Daisy

I care. How'd you do that? Sounds good.

Plenty of recipes out there - I used:

2 cups bleached flour (because I only had bleached flour)
3 large eggs
1 tablespoon of olive oil
1 tablespoon of water
a "dash" of salt (I used ground sea salt)

I have a KitchenAid mixer and simply mixed on a low setting using a dough mixer. To do it without a mixer just put the flour in a pile on a board and use your hand to make a bowl in the top of the pile, crack the eggs in the "bowl" and add the water and oil, mix with a fork by pushing more flour in as you go.

Once you get a decent consistency (either from the mixer or the board) , start kneading with your hands. At first it will be a bit sticky - just keep working it till it is smooth and not sticky - it is almost a leather like texture when fully kneaded. Then wrap in plastic and let sit for 30 minutes.

After 30 minutes the dough is much more pliable and rolls easily. I used the roller attachment on the mixer to roll but you can to it by hand. If you use a mechanical roller, cut the dough into six equal parts and roll those. Rolling actually stretches the dough thinner and thinner. When you have the thinness you want you can use a mechanical cutter or slice the dough into strips by hand. The strips are your pasta, ready to cook.

Cooking takes a lot less time than dried pasta - about 3 minutes or so.

re: #50 itellu3times

Itu3t -

The NEXT generation of suits will be the WEALTHY ones. This group will be blown out when the Chapter 11 reorganizations hit the recording industry - at which time the "Doors" to and of Warner Brothers will hit their asses - HARD!

By the way everyone, am posting on a system I put together from "Garbage."
An old eMachines "Monster 500a," with various peripherals scrounged from here and there, a bit of fun, and it works - a bit slow - but well enough.

-S-

re: #164 Sharmuta

When I go to hell, it will be nothing but Morrisey and all the office equipment that hates me.

lol, morrisey is morrisey! listening to hair dresser on fire right now!

Keeping with the bad music videos, how about a 2008 song that's little more than a re-write of a '70s Saturday morning show's theme song?

re: #173 gmsc

Even this version?
;)

No, BHO ruins any music he's added to. Nothing like a verse of "Hope & Change" to get me irritated.

re: #169 gmsc

OK, if you want to start nominating worsts, may I suggest:

Nominee A

Nominee B

Nominee C

Nominee D

Nominee E (Or, if that's not bad enough, how about the same song by the same artist, but on Helium!)

I was going to nominate your nominee D. Good choice.

re: #172 Spare O'Lake

Impressive.
How about this?

WTH was that, now my cats are hiding.

re: #146 zombie

The more important question is: what is the WORST video ever made?

Here's my nomination, which will be hard to top.

The worst, yet somehow also the best:

Boeing 737 Goes Off Runway At DIA

A Boeing 737 went off the end of a runway at Denver International Airport Saturday evening and smoke was coming from the aircraft, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

re: #182 Charles

The worst, yet somehow also the best:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I like the "S" move.

This one may not be the worst, but it is really annoying.

re: #146 zombie

The more important question is: what is the WORST video ever made?

Here's my nomination, which will be hard to top.

This is the worst video ever made. Ever.

re: #163 zombie

This may not count as the best video ever made, but it is highly entertaining and fall into the "how the hell did they do that?" category, if you try to ponder how they went from scene to scene. Plus, if you're not familiar with Halcali, prepare to have your mind opened to a style of music you may never had heard before -- Japanese mambo teenybopper rap!

Ah, Japanese. A combination of insanely wonderful and terrifyingly stark raving mad.

Honestly- when Zombie asked, this was the first video that came to my mind as worst:

re: #172 Spare O'Lake

Impressive.
How about this?

You win.

re: #186 Alouette

This is the worst video ever made. Ever.

*gak*
*urk*
*thud*

re: #182 Charles

The worst, yet somehow also the best:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Super best of all time.

re: #181 DEZes

WTH was that, now my cats are hiding.

I rest my case.

This is my kind of Japanese pop:

re: #182 Charles

The worst, yet somehow also the best:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Here's another one that falls into that category.

(I'd love to find the episode of the sitcom Head of the Class where they created a video for this song.)

re: #185 Cattt

As a teenage boy, that song was ok. I'm just sayin, and I don't think I am alone...

re: #173 gmsc

Uh...what?!

re: #172 Spare O'Lake

Impressive.
How about this?

Have you no pity, man? Yoko Ono? Sticking knitting needles in my eyes is better than that.

re: #193 Charles

This is my kind of Japanese pop:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Ever get into Shonen Knife?

my nomination: Apache!

re: #189 MandyManners

You win.

Not only did she break up the Beatles, she broke my eardrum!

That Yoko thing - worst. Definitely the worst.

re: #198 Sharmuta

Ever get into Shonen Knife?

re: #193 Charles

This is my kind of Japanese pop:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

you are so bad Charles,,:)

re: #184 Sharmuta

I like the "S" move.

That's my Nomineee C in #169! Good choice!

re: #188 Sharmuta

Honestly- when Zombie asked, this was the first video that came to my mind as worst:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I love that one!

Guilty pleasures

Guilty Pleasures

re: #195 eddiespaghetti

As a teenage boy, that song was ok. I'm just sayin, and I don't think I am alone...

I was never a teenage boy - and I still love it. Something about it -

And it reminds me of this one - Morris Dancing!

And the best goes to: OOGA CHAKA!

(I AM SO KIDDING!) But top THAT, Zombie!

re: #182 Charles

The worst, yet somehow also the best:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Between that and Sharmuta's No. 188, I'm dancing myself silly.

I really do like Melt Banana. Yoko Ono was completely untalented. These guys are crazy talented, but warped.

There's a variant of the "in hell, the British do the cooking, etc." joke that says the Japanese choose the music. I'm not sure what the other countries do, though.
/no offense intended to Japan.

re: #169 gmsc

OK, if you want to start nominating worsts, may I suggest:

Nominee C

C is a guilty pleasure. I'm too sexy for my cat.

re: #161 eddiespaghetti

Not hardly. It cost the Navy just 1.7 billion to "modernize" all four of the Iowa class ships in the 1980's.

The new LCS ships (with a single 57mm popgun) are costing over half a billion each and Congress is calling for over 50 of them.

The USS Ford (CVN 78), when completed will cost over 5 billion, minus its aircraft.

There are some who are calling for the scrapping of all of our carriers as well, with the same lame ass excuse.

"It costs too much wahhh*."

(*bwah! spellcheck thinks I meant "Warhol.")

STAR
SHIPS,
R

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Do you have an Atlas? It's a little pricey but it's worth the investment. Also if you have one of those Seal-a-meal type things you can make a large batch of dough, separate into smaller lumps, seal it and it will store in the fridge for 4-6 weeks (maybe longer). When you want fresh pasta just open one up and roll it out. I do it all the time.

I bought the attachments for my kitchen aid mixer that does the trick. I was quite happy with the results and plan to make a big batch o dough this next week and do just what you are suggesting.

Can't beat the flavor and texture.

Have you tried any spinach doughs?

Meanwhile , in Syria, these gals probably make mullahs' heads explode.
Azab al Hawa

I'm melting! Melting! What a world! Who would've thought that a little girl lik you could destroy my beautiful wickedness?!

re: #207 Cattt

That was Ter-bul (like Charles Barkley says).

re: #193 Charles

This is my kind of Japanese pop:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Another genre of contemporary jpop you might like is the "We're obsessed with the Osaka World's Fair in 1970" genre, in which they combine catchy lounge dance-jazz with crazed retro styles:

Les Stereo-Phonic Theatre-Holiday Afternoon Drive

It's actually an entire category of music, these Osaka World's Fair obsessives.

re: #136 zombie

I recently had some "spaghetti alla ghitarra" (the original kind of homemade Italian pasta). Mmmm-mmm good!

OK - what is "alla ghitarra?" (yes - I could search for it but I'd rather get your spin on it).

re: #208 ArmyWife

And the best goes to: OOGA CHAKA!

(I AM SO KIDDING!) But top THAT, Zombie!

I really prefer Blue Swede.

AhhhHHhhhaaa...

re: #215 JHW

Meanwhile , in Syria, these gals probably make mullahs' heads explode.
Azab al Hawa

There's hope for Syria.

re: #79 itellu3times

As the SIL of two doctors, if they didn't make big money, we wouldn't have any. Yes, residency is that hard.

re: #199 ArmyWife

my nomination: Apache!

I like the remix.

h/t Desertsage... sometime last year.

re: #221 MandyManners

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at all the blonde ladies there.

re: #213 Render

The issue is # of peeps on the ship. Cost = 1 million per day at last estimate, and that was 10 years ago...

re: #216 MandyManners

I'm melting! Melting! What a world! Who would've thought that a little girl lik you could destroy my beautiful wickedness?!

I'm betting that you and I are watching the Wizard of Oz.. Once a year..
It's the law

How about a song about dancing, as performed by a guy who can't dance?

re: #199 ArmyWife

my nomination: Apache!

Winner.

Please, let me view no more.

re: #224 JHW

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at all the blonde ladies there.

You sound so innocent.

Hearts will never be practical until they are made unbreakable.

re: #193 Charles

This is my kind of Japanese pop:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Interesting.

Here's some Ex-girl Tofu song

re: #224 JHW

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at all the blonde ladies there.

Peroxide knows no borders.

re: #229 Cattt

:) That's me, Cattt.

re: #219 karmic_inquisitor

OK - what is "alla ghitarra?" (yes - I could search for it but I'd rather get your spin on it).

It's when you hand-make the dough, then press it through a rack strung tightly with wires, to produce "square" spaghetti. The rack was thought to look like a medieval-era "guitar" (what with all the strings), hence "alla ghitarra".

This was before they invented extrusion pasta machines, which allowed for round shapes.

re: #226 HoosierHoops

I'm betting that you and I are watching the Wizard of Oz.. Once a year..
It's the law

You know it.

I think I just found the winner!

Hint: What happens when lounge singers cover heavy metal?

re: #199 ArmyWife

my nomination: Apache!

Ha! Beat me to it! I was about to nominate Apache myself.

re: #227 gmsc

How about a song about dancing, as performed by a guy who can't dance?

I expected Wiliam Shatner.

As someone who watched an unreal number of MTV back in the mid-80's, I still find my personal favorite video to be:

The worst is a crowded, crowded field. It probably involves some dude with too much hairspray and not enough talent.

re: #84 Noam Sayin'

There's always the chance they could be re-commissioned, and re-purposed with intelligent projectiles - something that could be launched 10-12 miles into the sky and wait for a target of opportunity. I've only heard of such speculation.

Reality check. Battleships were designed to slug it out on the high seas with other heavily armored battleships. It takes a lot of people to operate one, and the max range of the main battery is nothing compared with TLAM (Tomahawk Land Attack Missle). Wishful daydreaming aside, we need a nuclear-powered cruiser with AEGIS, TLAM, SM-3 ABMs, and low radar signature. Battleships can be useful in only very limited scenarios. Sorry, Cher...

you guys are crazy.

re: #208 ArmyWife

And the best goes to: OOGA CHAKA!

(I AM SO KIDDING!) But top THAT, Zombie!

The Blue Swede recording of Hooked on a Feeling (audio only) is fabulous.

These greedy record companies made a killing on vinyl. I remember paying $29 for a Jeff Beck album because it wasn't mainstream. And when CDs came out, what $15-25. So I say F***K EM... They are shooting themselves in the foot. They ripped me off enough over 3 decades. I went to YouTube to watch bands I never saw in person. Wanna pull them, go right ahead. Lot of good they'll do sitting up your executive arses. The sickest thing about all this is that the baby boomers who experienced the best music period in the 20th century are now the power elite of these mega record corporations and man, have they lost there way. Keep puttin out that booty, girlie girlie BS. Warner Bros. can kiss my royal hiney.

re: #240 Jim in Virginia

I expected Wiliam Shatner.

Oh you mean that Canadian canned ham?

re: #235 zombie

It's when you hand-make the dough, then press it through a rack strung tightly with wires, to produce "square" spaghetti. The rack was thought to look like a medieval-era "guitar" (what with all the strings), hence "alla ghitarra".

This was before they invented extrusion pasta machines, which allowed for round shapes.

Cool. I am going to have to try that.

re: #240 Jim in Virginia

I actually remembered all the words and started belting them out! Mr. ArmyWife just said "WTF?!?!?"

That, my friends, is impressive as I was 8 when that song came out.

On a serious note, I actually have bought songs on itunes after watching the video on youtube.

YouTube will never be boring as long as we have THIS:

Here's one that's great the first time you hear and see it, but you want to watch it so much that it becomes bad:

re: #237 MandyManners

You know it.

We have a friend that can sing and play somewhere over the rainbow in a jazz style on guitar. It is simply amazing and deeply moving..Other than that the dude is a piece of shit..explain that...
Every year we make him play and sing it..pretty much ignore him the rest of the time.I wish i had talent

re: #222 EmmmieG

As the SIL of two doctors, if they didn't make big money, we wouldn't have any. Yes, residency is that hard.

I go to my doctor's office. It has a lab, x-ray equipment, an EKG machine, physicians and nurses who are part of the greatest health-care system in the world, all the latest equipment and technology and expertise is right there, in my doctor's office, office staff to file insurance, office staff to keep things pretty close to on time . . .

I don't begrudge one bit the cost of an office visit.

re: #230 ploome hineni

I think the place I bought them from has gone out of business. It was called Frog Farms (or something like that). It's a little tricky to grow and slugs love it. I don't see anyone online who has live plants for sale. It might m=just be a winter thing, try again in a few months and I'll bet somebody will have plants for sale. What area of the country are you in?

re: #250 NelsFree

YouTube will never be boring as long as we have THIS:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I want one!...:)

re: #241 EmmmieG

As someone who watched an unreal number of MTV back in the mid-80's, I still find my personal favorite video to be:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

The worst is a crowded, crowded field. It probably involves some dude with too much hairspray and not enough talent.

Excellent!
If the category is bad (or at least silly) videos, yI nominate The Weathergirls.

I'm in the roofing business. I think that I should get a residual check every time it rains and a roof that my company put up sheds the rain and keeps the building in the dry.
I just do not understand why entertainers believe that they should be able to record one performance and get paid for the rest of their lives of it. They made the record and get a cut when one sells that should be it.

re: #186 Alouette

This is the worst video ever made. Ever.

That was some puketastic disco dancing.

So I'll expand my horizons and listen to music like this.

re: #248 ArmyWife

I actually remembered all the words and started belting them out! Mr. ArmyWife just said "WTF?!?!?"

That, my friends, is impressive as I was 8 when that song came out.

Way to keep your age a secret there, ArmyWife!
;)

Recently, on World's Dumbest (on truTV), they had Leif Garrett cracking jokes about a person who was pulled over by the cops, but started dancing for some weird reason. Todd Bridges then says, "Hey, Leif, if you like that clip, you'll love this next one!" The next one was that "I was made for dancing" video. Poor Leif had to sit there and take all his co-host's jokes about it.