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Malone: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

Opinion | Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:34:03 pm PST

Here’s an interesting piece for the Wall Street Journal by Michael Malone, who says the government is strangling technological innovation by over-regulating the entrepreneurship-venture capital-IPO cycle: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley.

It has been a system of amazing efficiency, its biggest past weakness being that it sometimes (as in the dot-com “bubble”) creates too many companies of dubious viability. Now, this very efficiency may be proving to be its downfall.

From the beginning of this decade, the process of new company creation has been under assault by legislators and regulators. They treat it as if it is a natural phenomenon that can be manipulated and exploited, rather than the fragile creation of several generations of hard work, risk-taking and inventiveness. In the name of “fairness,” preventing future Enrons, and increased oversight, Congress, the SEC and the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) have piled burdens onto the economy that put entrepreneurship at risk.

The new laws and regulations have neither prevented frauds nor instituted fairness. But they have managed to kill the creation of new public companies in the U.S., cripple the venture capital business, and damage entrepreneurship. According to the National Venture Capital Association, in all of 2008 there have been just six companies that have gone public. Compare that with 269 IPOs in 1999, 272 in 1996, and 365 in 1986.

Also see:
ABC News’ Malone: Ashamed To Be Known As a ‘Journalist’

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:34:56pm

Lord knows they do well on their own.

2 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:35:09pm

If it works? Regulate it!

3 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:37:56pm

re: #2 Outrider

If it works? Regulate it!

/X10 starting next month, watch major U.S. corporations trip over each other in a race to reincorporate in more business friendly countries

4 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:37:59pm

Washington..... Where no good deed shall go unpunished.... No success un-imprisoned....

5 quickjustice  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:38:01pm

Washington's specialty: Strangling the goose that lays the golden eggs!

6 davinvalkri  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:38:44pm

Why must you kill every business you touch, government! Why can't you just keep your bloody hands off!

/emotional. Silicon Valley is one of the greatest places for growth and business evah! What's Washington doing!

7 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:39:07pm
8 quickjustice  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:39:59pm

Ironically, the tech industry supports Democrats in overwhelming numbers, so they are the cause of their own misfortunes. It'll get worse for them, not better-- except for the "winners" Obama purports to pick.

9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:41:32pm

Silicon Valley isnt the only market they're killing.

10 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:42:09pm

re: #2 Outrider

If it works? Regulate it!

Full Ronald Reagan quote:

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

11 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:42:19pm

when the government should have over-sight - no can do.

when the government smothers business with it's nanny-state socialism - it's signals certain collapse. Thank, idiots.


Barney Frank is the biggest idiot of them all:

"These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

-Barney Frank
Supreme corrupt economy-killing idiot

[Link: www.usnews.com...]

12 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:43:08pm

The wrecking of America.

13 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:43:16pm

re: #2 Outrider

If it works? Regulate it!

If it's corrupt (and run by corruptocrats) leave it alone!

14 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:43:20pm

we need less government.

15 winston06  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:43:34pm

Washington kills any successful business in no time!

16 zombie  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:43:45pm

As someone who has been peripherally involved in the Silicon Valley entrepreneurship scene, I will say: a greater concern to us small fry is attracting the venture capital in the first place!

But yes, having to cope with insane paperwork and regulations makes the venture capitalists less enthusiastic to get involved with something risky.

17 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:43:54pm
-it signals certain collapse
18 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:44:39pm

I get the sense Washington is damned if they do and damned if they don't. When they maintain a hands off climate, an incident along the lines of Enron or FMae/FMac occur and everyone goes nuts. If they get into the regulating mode, they will do so as good little bureaucrats, dotting every i and crossing every t, in other words covering every contingency; which has the impact of stifling whatever it was they were attempting to fix.

I know there is a happy balance, but it will take someone smarter than I to figure it out.

19 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:45:18pm

Business is evil to them, especially so when it is "Big" but only tolerated when small because it isn't too terribly bad.

Time for some Coolidge quotes:

Advertising is the life of trade.

After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world.

All growth depends upon activity. There is no development physically or intellectually without effort, and effort means work.

Civilization and profit go hand in hand.


Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery.

Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.

And of course

The business of America is business.
20 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:45:49pm

re: #14 nyc redneck

we need less government.

No can do. We just elected democrats.

21 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:45:54pm

re: #10 Occasional Reader

or the anonymous soldier, "if it moves? Salute it. If it doesn't move? Paint it."

22 P. Aaron  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:46:27pm

Every minute congress is in session, our liberty is in danger.

23 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:46:58pm

re: #18 Outrider

I was thinking the same thing, Outrider. Everyone is angry at lack of regulation in the Fannie Freddie debacle, but also upset with over-regulating.
I think the issue MAY be that we have lost our sense of what is ethical, both on the government side as well as the side of business.

24 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:47:28pm

Whenever Washington tries to regualte, they go overboard. Just wait until they try to tell Silicon Valley how they should write their programs. They'll mandate how much RAM a computer can have, and how large or small a program can be. Why won't they? They've already done as much with the auto industry.

25 kwyck44  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:47:32pm

Yes, highly overregulated. But this story is dramaticized by the lack of IPOs in general in 2008.

26 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:48:01pm

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

Whenever Washington tries to regualte, they go overboard. Just wait until they try to tell Silicon Valley how they should write their programs. They'll mandate how much RAM a computer can have, and how large or small a program can be. Why won't they? They've already done as much with the auto industry.

Will I have to belt up to log on?

27 zombie  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:48:44pm

re: #26 Wishing

Will I have to belt up to log on?

No, but you will need a "V-Ship" pre-installed in your brain.

28 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:49:35pm

re: #9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Silicon Valley isnt the only market they're killing.

CAFE comes to mind.

29 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:49:40pm

re: #11 FrogMarch

-Barney Frank
Supreme corrupt economy-killing idiot

[Link: www.usnews.com...]

How dare you blaspheme Congressman Frank!

Barney Frank has been called the smartest guy in Congress, which is lucky for us, since he works on some of the thorniest issues around. The 14-term, 68-year-old Harvard-educated Democratic congressman from Massachusetts is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which means his portfolio includes banks, housing, and now the auto industry... even the most hardened Republicans give him good reviews.

/60 Minutes, anchor Lesley Stahl

30 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:50:19pm

re: #28 Honorary Yooper

CAFE comes to mind.

BIG JUAN VALDEZ IS RIPPING US OFF!

31 Bobibutu  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:50:20pm

re: #3 Killian Bundy

/X10 starting next month, watch major U.S. corporations trip over each other in a race to reincorporate in more business friendly countries

This is great news for India and Brazil.

32 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:50:32pm

re: #23 Wishing

I was thinking the same thing, Outrider. Everyone is angry at lack of regulation in the Fannie Freddie debacle, but also upset with over-regulating.
I think the issue MAY be that we have lost our sense of what is ethical, both on the government side as well as the side of business.

Ethics are much harder to regulate. When we were instructing foreign military students down south, that was a primary thread of the instruction and the hardest for many of them to comprehend. It also has to be taught to our own soldiers as many kids enter the service with zero concept of any kind of ethics that actually serve the common good.

33 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:50:45pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

How dare you blaspheme Congressman Frank!

You can do that? Seriously?

34 DeafDog  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:50:47pm

re: #18 Outrider

I know there is a happy balance, but it will take someone smarter than I to figure it out.

Booms and Busts are an inherent part of capitalism. We keep trying to smooth out the low points in cycle because they are painful. The downside with that approach is that trying to smooth out the low points also retards the high points, which - in turn - makes the newly smoothed out low points more painful. It's a viscious circle. Better to let the cycles go.

35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:51:54pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

" The 14-term, 68-year-old Harvard-educated Democratic congressman from Massachusetts is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which means his portfolio includes banks, housing, and now the auto industry... "

Pretty much puts the whole thing perspective.

36 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:52:02pm

re: #20 FrogMarch

No can do. We just elected democrats.

we just elected socialists. they will try to insinuate themselves into everything.
controlling and dominating.
and destroying the spirit of industrious citizens.

37 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:52:15pm

re: #30 Occasional Reader

BIG JUAN VALDEZ IS RIPPING US OFF!

Bullshit.... Juan is my friend... He keeps my coffee cup filled to the brim..... I loves me some Juan Valdez early in the morning.... ;)

38 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:52:48pm

re: #34 DeafDog

Booms and Busts are an inherent part of capitalism. We keep trying to smooth out the low points in cycle because they are painful. The downside with that approach is that trying to smooth out the low points also retards the high points, which - in turn - makes the newly smoothed out low points more painful. It's a viscious circle. Better to let the cycles go.

well, that is my basic concept of the business world, let it sort itself out and let the market decide.

39 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:53:41pm

re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

" The 14-term, 68-year-old Harvard-educated Democratic congressman from Massachusetts is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which means his portfolio includes banks, housing, and now the auto industry... "

Pretty much puts the whole thing perspective.

Coincidence? Hmmm I think not. ;-)>

40 Muadib  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:54:13pm

Our government is killing freedom. We've got to throw the socialist bastards off of our backs. Free enterprise works and socialism does not.

41 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:54:18pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

/60 Minutes, anchor Lesley Stahl

barney frank is a con man.
and lesley stahl is commenting above her pay grade.

42 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:54:38pm

re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

" The 14-term, 68-year-old Harvard-educated Democratic congressman from Massachusetts is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which means his portfolio includes banks, housing, and now the auto industry... "

Pretty much puts the whole thing perspective.

/oh yeah, I forgot the lnky

43 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:55:06pm

re: #41 nyc redneck

barney frank is a con man.
and lesley stahl is commenting above her pay grade.

There is no propaganda above a liberals pay grade.... ;p

44 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:55:24pm

re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

" The 14-term, 68-year-old Harvard-educated Democratic congressman from Massachusetts is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which means his portfolio includes banks, housing, and now the auto industry... "

Pretty much puts the whole thing perspective.

Can we put him in charge of Iran? 'Cause everything Barney Frank touches, he fucks up in some way, shape, or form.

45 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:55:59pm

re: #32 Outrider

Ethics are much harder to regulate. When we were instructing foreign military students down south, that was a primary thread of the instruction and the hardest for many of them to comprehend. It also has to be taught to our own soldiers as many kids enter the service with zero concept of any kind of ethics that actually serve the common good.

You cannot regulate ethical behavior. Either you have it, or you dont. Sadly, along with the fear of God, ethics are out the window, by and large, in this country. One of the reasons I really enjoy LGF is that many of the posters here are men and women of integrity and excellent ethics. I am not so sure we could say that across the board in the US anymore.

46 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:56:29pm
47 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:58:06pm

re: #41 nyc redneck
{nyc redneck}
Replied on the open thread to you. A neighbor stopped by and then I took Izzy for her afternoon walk.
I'm making the chocolate puppy chow tomorrow. I'm worried as well. It is so good and so addictive, I fear I will OD before Christmas.

48 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 2:59:22pm

re: #47 newsjunkie_ky

{nyc redneck}
Replied on the open thread to you. A neighbor stopped by and then I took Izzy for her afternoon walk.
I'm making the chocolate puppy chow tomorrow. I'm worried as well. It is so good and so addictive, I fear I will OD before Christmas.

Hi NJK! How are you and Izzy getting along? I am sure the honeymoon is over by now, are you still in love? =)

49 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:01:09pm

re: #47 newsjunkie_ky

chocolate puppy chow

I hope you're kidding.

/chocolate is toxic to dogs

50 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:02:02pm

re: #48 Wishing

Hi NJK! How are you and Izzy getting along? I am sure the honeymoon is over by now, are you still in love? =)


Yep, she is a little love and keeps me laughing with her antics.
Last night, Izzy had me in stitches. Granddaughter and I were sitting on the floor and playing with Izzy and her 'toys'. I threw a big wrapping paper roll down the hallway and Izzy went bounding after it. She captured the roll and held it in her mouth right in the middle of the roll. Here she came prancing up the hallway with the ends of the roll almost touching the walls. She then attempted to take the roll into her bed. She jumped in with the roll and of course it flopped out of the bed. Then she reached out and grabbed the end of it and tried to drag it in the bed. And, of course, it flopped out again. This went on for probably 5 minutes. I laughed so hard, which probably encouraged Izzy to continue.

51 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:02:36pm

If Malone thins this is bad, wait until congress starts building our cars!

52 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:03:05pm

re: #51 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

PIMF-

If Malone thinks this is bad, wait until congress starts building our cars!
53 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:03:23pm

re: #49 Killian Bundy
It's for people, just the name. And it so gooooooddddd.
CHOCOLATE-COVERED PUPPY CHOW


2 sticks real butter
1 (12 oz.) pkg. chocolate chips
1 c. peanut butter
3 c. powdered sugar
1 reg. box Rice Chex cereal

Melt together first 3 ingredients and pour over Rice Chex into large bowl; stir until coated. Put powdered sugar in large paper grocery sack and add chocolate coated mix; shake until coated with powdered sugar.

This is a chocolate lover's delight!

54 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:03:26pm

re: #50 newsjunkie_ky

I am so happy for you that Izzy is all the dog you needed! Sounds like fun fun fun!

55 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:04:27pm

re: #52 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

PIMF-

Darn! I was already trying to get ahold of Malone- I've put on the usual holiday pounds and could use some 'thins' meself!

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:05:08pm

re: #32 Outrider

Ethics are much harder to regulate. When we were instructing foreign military students down south, that was a primary thread of the instruction and the hardest for many of them to comprehend. It also has to be taught to our own soldiers as many kids enter the service with zero concept of any kind of ethics that actually serve the common good.

A thousand up-dings!
Developing character in the people is the end solution, NOT regulation.

57 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:05:27pm

re: #47 newsjunkie_ky

{nyc redneck}
Replied on the open thread to you. A neighbor stopped by and then I took Izzy for her afternoon walk.
I'm making the chocolate puppy chow tomorrow. I'm worried as well. It is so good and so addictive, I fear I will OD before Christmas.

hey {newsjunkie_ky}
i love the technique of shaking it up in a brown paper grocery bag.
reminds me somehow of my aunts using newspaper to flour chicken on before they threw it in the skillet. how is izzy doing?

58 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:05:41pm

re: #54 Wishing

I am so happy for you that Izzy is all the dog you needed! Sounds like fun fun fun!


She is and thanks again for helping me get through my grief over Meggie. I still cry some but Izzy is so much fun that she is helping me remember the good times with Meg.
How are you doing this evening? It is very, very cold in KY.

59 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:06:43pm

re: #53 newsjunkie_ky

How about a kitty litter box cake?

60 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:06:48pm
61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:07:03pm

re: #45 Wishing

One of the reasons I really enjoy LGF is that many of the posters here are men and women of integrity and excellent ethics.

I second that!

62 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:07:20pm

re: #57 nyc redneck

hey {newsjunkie_ky}
i love the technique of shaking it up in a brown paper grocery bag.
reminds me somehow of my aunts using newspaper to flour chicken on before they threw it in the skillet. how is izzy doing?

We used paper bags to coat the chicken back then too. lol.
We are having lots and lots of fun.
How are things in NYC? Still have snow?

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:07:25pm

re: #59 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Crap. Well the Pelosi is funny too!

64 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:08:04pm

re: #53 newsjunkie_ky

It's for people, just the name. And it so gooooooddddd.
CHOCOLATE-COVERED PUPPY CHOW


2 sticks real butter
1 (12 oz.) pkg. chocolate chips
1 c. peanut butter
3 c. powdered sugar
1 reg. box Rice Chex cereal

Melt together first 3 ingredients and pour over Rice Chex into large bowl; stir until coated. Put powdered sugar in large paper grocery sack and add chocolate coated mix; shake until coated with powdered sugar.

This is a chocolate lover's delight!

Duh, wrong link- kitty litter box cake

65 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:08:09pm

re: #23 Wishing

I was thinking the same thing, Outrider. Everyone is angry at lack of regulation in the Fannie Freddie debacle, but also upset with over-regulating.
I think the issue MAY be that we have lost our sense of what is ethical, both on the government side as well as the side of business.

Old rule of thumb I learned long ago. If you have to ask yourself the question "Is this right?" then you've already answered yourself and probably shouldn't do it.....

66 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:08:34pm

re: #58 newsjunkie_ky

She is and thanks again for helping me get through my grief over Meggie. I still cry some but Izzy is so much fun that she is helping me remember the good times with Meg.
How are you doing this evening? It is very, very cold in KY.

Very cold here in TN as well, 22 currently, though it is suppo9sed to warm up to near 60 by Christmas.
I am doing well, thanks, enjoying my two dogs and cat. They never stop making me laugh.

67 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:08:36pm

re: #59 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

How about a kitty litter box cake?

Came up the pelousie congressional motors.

68 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:09:44pm

re: #67 newsjunkie_ky

Yeah, my bad- See my #64.

69 3 wood  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:10:28pm

In other media news:

New York Times Apologizes for Publishing Phony Letter From Paris Mayor

NEW YORK -- The New York Times admitted Monday it published a fake letter purportedly from the mayor of Paris criticizing Caroline Kennedy's bid for a U.S. Senate seat as "appalling" and "not very democratic."

In a note posted Monday on its Web site, the Times said the letter signed by Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe was a fake and should not have been published because it violated the paper's standards and procedures for publishing signed letters.

"We have already expressed our regrets to Mr. Delanoe's office and we are now doing the same to you, our readers," the Times said.

News of the hoax was first reported by France-Amerique, which published its story on its Web site Monday.

They only apologized cause it was an untruth involving the Kennedy's.

I'm still waiting for their regrets about lying about our troops.

I'll be waiting a long time, they don't put that kind of time into watches.

70 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:10:49pm

re: #64 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Duh, wrong link- kitty litter box cake


Thanks, bookmarked. Like the brain gelatin, too.

71 Reluctant Democrat  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:11:34pm

Malone, the last honest man in journalism.

72 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:11:55pm

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

73 Racer X  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:12:25pm

So, I'm driving around today and some guy cuts me off. I spent a few seconds trying to ding him down.


/I need to step away from the computer more often.

74 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:12:45pm

re: #66 Wishing

{Wishing}
Have a Merry Christmas and keep warm. Give the 'kids' a hug from me and The Izanator.

75 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:12:53pm

re: #45 Wishing

You cannot regulate ethical behavior. Either you have it, or you dont. Sadly, along with the fear of God, ethics are out the window, by and large, in this country. One of the reasons I really enjoy LGF is that many of the posters here are men and women of integrity and excellent ethics. I am not so sure we could say that across the board in the US anymore.

True. You can however teach ethical behavior and whack the peepees of those that fail to comply. ;-)>

76 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:13:11pm

re: #73 Racer X

So, I'm driving around today and some guy cuts me off. I spent a few seconds trying to ding him down.

I've been reading a book, wondered what time it was, and looked in the lower right hand corner of the book for the time.

77 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:13:18pm

re: #72 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

ROTFLMAO..... Good thing I slammed the door on his.... er family jewels in the last thread...... ;p

78 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:13:36pm

re: #62 newsjunkie_ky


bitterly cold. snow almost gone.
wed. it is supposed to be nearly 50 degrees.
back to t-shirt weather.

79 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:14:52pm

re: #77 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO..... Good thing I slammed the door on his.... er family jewels in the last thread...... ;p

This one's just for you, {doriangrey}!

80 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:15:00pm

re: #53 newsjunkie_ky

It's for people, just the name. And it so gooooooddddd.
CHOCOLATE-COVERED PUPPY CHOW


2 sticks real butter
1 (12 oz.) pkg. chocolate chips
1 c. peanut butter
3 c. powdered sugar
1 reg. box Rice Chex cereal

Melt together first 3 ingredients and pour over Rice Chex into large bowl; stir until coated. Put powdered sugar in large paper grocery sack and add chocolate coated mix; shake until coated with powdered sugar.

This is a chocolate lover's delight!

Sounds like this stuff. lol

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:16:27pm

re: #72 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

Goddess? I wanted to show you this. But want to make sure you don't know it is meant for you. It is funny.

It is for Sharmuta...

82 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:16:35pm

re: #78 nyc redneck

bitterly cold. snow almost gone.
wed. it is supposed to be nearly 50 degrees.
back to t-shirt weather.

Same here. Got down to around 0 last night with wind chill well below. And, the wind was UNREAL. Had no trouble getting outside cat to come it, but she wanted out this morning. Dumb cat. Finally got her back in before the sun went down tonight.
Keep warm until then and have a Merry Christmas. Give S a hug from me.

83 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:16:42pm

re: #59 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

How about a kitty litter box cake?

Dang! You beat me to the post again! I'm putting my tin foil cap back on, you got ESP devices around here somewhere. ;-)>

84 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:16:46pm

Saddleback Pastor Rick Warren to speak at King memorial

Just one day before giving the invocation at President-elect Barack Obama's inauguration, a local pastor will be the keynote speaker at the Martin Luther King Jr. Annual Commemorative Service, officials at Saddleback Church said.

Rick Warren – pastor of the 22,000-member Saddleback Church – made national headlines in recent days when proponents of gay marriage criticized the selection of Warren to give the invocation at President-elect Barack Obama's inauguration.

The service is scheduled for Jan. 19 at the historic Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta and is included in the official program of the 10-day King Center's Martin Luther King Jr. Celebration, which begins on Jan. 10.

/oh yeah, way to throw gasoline on the already exploding LLL heads!

85 descolada9  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:17:31pm

Read this article earlier and it scares me more than just a little as I am looking to start looking for venture capital for a business proposal that I've been working on for the past couple of months. I've been trying to get the numbers right, look into all of the different environmental regs that I'll have to deal with, etc etc. So, of course, now I have to worry about busybodies in Washington going out of their way to create new regs and laws that will keep me from producing anything successful. Maybe it is time to start looking for other countries to go to where there's still some entrepreneurial freedom. Of course, most other countries are just as far, if not farther, down the socialist track than we are.

Where do I go to get the number stamped onto my forehead?

86 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:18:08pm

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am just waiting for the day you two meet in person.

/probably won't be mean and nasty, but still . . . . . ;)

87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:18:19pm

A Christmas Carol from Aerosmith guitarist (And Republican) Joe Perry recorded in his home studio. Perry sings and plays all the instruments. He has a damn nice home studio, too!

88 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:18:19pm

re: #74 newsjunkie_ky

{Wishing}
Have a Merry Christmas and keep warm. Give the 'kids' a hug from me and The Izanator.

Thank you so much! By Christmas it should be tolerable weather again! And mine say thanks! to you and the Izanator. LOLOL
Mine are SweetPea, a redbone coonhound, 8mos, Remington, a Jack Russell/beagle cross, 14 yrs, and KITTEN, ageless, who runs the place.

89 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:18:59pm

re: #80 Outrider
Thanks, bookmarked and will try that. The chocolate puppy chow tastes like a butterfinger covered in powdered sugar. YUM! and addictive.

90 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:19:04pm

re: #79 goddessoftheclassroom

This one's just for you, {doriangrey}!

;)...... MHAW........

91 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:20:58pm

re: #86 BlueCanuck

I am just waiting for the day you two meet in person.

/probably won't be mean and nasty, but still . . . . . ;)

ROTFLMAO.... Sharmuta is a genuine sweetheart.... but I wouldn't get between FVB and a Lettuces tomato and Avocado sandwich.... ;p

92 Dianna  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:22:24pm

re: #91 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... Sharmuta is a genuine sweetheart.... but I wouldn't get between FVB and a Lettuces tomato and Avocado sandwich.... ;p

Don't tease me with one of those, either. I'm not a vegetarian, but my passion for avocado is a terrible thing!

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:22:34pm

re: #91 doriangrey

Sharmuta and I will shoot each other the finger. Then hug. Then stand back and shoot each other the finger again.

94 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:22:42pm

re: #69 3 wood

NYT closed today at 6.66 a share.

/Just sayin...

95 golly_wog  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:23:06pm

Tennessee bourbon balls:
3 cups crushed vanilla wafers
1 cup finely chopped pecans
1 cup confectioners sugar
3 tablespoons Karo lite syrup
1 1/2 tablespoons coco powder
1/2 cup bourbon or whiskey.

Go ahead and make a double batch and make that 1 1/2 cup of Wild Turkey if you want to watch your relatives explode. Once mixed, with powdered sugar on your hands, roll into balls 3/4" balls and plop into more powdered sugar as you work. Tin them up and refrigerate. Most people say, "thanks for the shot." These have been highly popular for the last 60 years around here. Hic.

96 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:23:29pm

re: #75 Outrider

True. You can however teach ethical behavior and whack the peepees of those that fail to comply. ;-)>

Ethical behavior is demonstrated when no one is watching. What we are seeing all over the USA is people doing whatever is best for THEM, especially when no one is watching.
No one seems to understand that the best leaders are servants.

97 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:24:41pm

re: #88 Wishing

Thank you so much! By Christmas it should be tolerable weather again! And mine say thanks! to you and the Izanator. LOLOL
Mine are SweetPea, a redbone coonhound, 8mos, Remington, a Jack Russell/beagle cross, 14 yrs, and KITTEN, ageless, who runs the place.

LOL! There always has to be the one alpha. Izzy is trying to assert herself all the time. My neighbor came over today and meet Izzy for the first time. She said, when she dies she wants to come back as one of my dogs. They are special.

98 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:24:56pm

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sharmuta and I will shoot each other the finger. Then hug. Then stand back and shoot each other the finger again.

I would demand satisfaction if I were you.... Whiskey shot's at 20 paces at high noon.... ;p

99 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:25:02pm

re: #96 Wishing

Ethical behavior is demonstrated when no one is watching. What we are seeing all over the USA is people doing whatever is best for THEM, especially when no one is watching.
No one seems to understand that the best leaders are servants.

My (not yet but not soon enough) ex complained that I was "too good" and saw "everything in black and white."
That was a clue...

100 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:25:10pm

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sharmuta and I will shoot each other the finger. Then hug. Then stand back and shoot each other the finger again.

If you don't be nice, I'll just shoot you the finger:)

101 Hobbes  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:25:27pm

In the suburbs of Chicago, 4 degree high today with -20 wind chill. New snow storm coming in about 3:00 A.M. reportedly lasting until midday Wednesday.
The good thing is that we'll have a white Christmas! Plus temperatures will rise by then. Of course, that's going to bring in another storm on Friday-Saturday.

I wonder how the weather will effect tonight's Bears game?

102 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:25:31pm

Evening, hope all have had a good time. Saw the Ode to Joy on the old thread, hope you find a better version. Also saw The Great McGinty, brilliant movie, wish the whole thing was up on Youtube.

103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:25:46pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

Loves ya Walter!

104 Outrider  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:26:27pm

re: #99 goddessoftheclassroom

My (not yet but not soon enough) ex complained that I was "too good" and saw "everything in black and white."
That was a clue...

far too many people seem to have a gift for rationalizing the behavior that best suits them at the moment.

105 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:26:56pm

re: #96 Wishing

Ethical behavior is demonstrated when no one is watching. What we are seeing all over the USA is people doing whatever is best for THEM, especially when no one is watching.
No one seems to understand that the best leaders are servants.

I remember an example years back when one of the TV news shows had a special on kids cheating in school. The tone of the piece was ho-hum, what do you expect....
When we set our standards to the lowest common denominator, it shoudn't come as a shock when we hit the target......

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:27:07pm

Think I'm going to start singing....

107 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:27:17pm

re: #99 goddessoftheclassroom

My (not yet but not soon enough) ex complained that I was "too good" and saw "everything in black and white."
That was a clue...

Oh dear...... I had a girlfriend tell me that once..... right before she tried to kill me and then dumped me because I was offended by her trying to kill me.... That cant be good goddess.... ;O

108 Geepers  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:27:42pm
An astonishing thing happened in Baghdad on Saturday: Christians, apparently for the first time in the city's history, publicly celebrated Christmas.

Will Media Report Baghdad's First Public Christmas Celebration?

109 opnion  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:27:56pm

re: #101 Hobbes

In the suburbs of Chicago, 4 degree high today with -20 wind chill. New snow storm coming in about 3:00 A.M. reportedly lasting until midday Wednesday.
The good thing is that we'll have a white Christmas! Plus temperatures will rise by then. Of course, that's going to bring in another storm on Friday-Saturday.

I wonder how the weather will effect tonight's Bears game?


Well thank goodness the Bears are playing a warm weather team, the Packers. You know, Bear weather.

110 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:28:27pm

re: #96 Wishing

Ethical behavior is demonstrated when no one is watching. What we are seeing all over the USA is people doing whatever is best for THEM, especially when no one is watching.
No one seems to understand that the best leaders are servants.


So very true. Every person I know that votes for democrats and The Zero did so not for the good of the Country but for what they could get. Makes me sick.

111 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:28:30pm

re: #107 doriangrey

Oh dear...... I had a girlfriend tell me that once..... right before she tried to kill me and then dumped me because I was offended by her trying to kill me.... That cant be good goddess.... ;O

Not for the first time have I wished that we lived closer to each other.

112 quickjustice  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:28:55pm

re: #18 Outrider

Enron was a flat-out fraud in a publicly held company subject to the most stringent of regulations. It's not exactly a poster child for failure to regulate.

The three layers of internal protection built into regulation of publicly held companies all failed in the case of Enron: (1) the board of directors, which was supposed to be keeping on eye on the managers, but failed to do so; (2) the auditors; and (3) the lawyers.

These three layers are supposed to tip off the government regulators if something is going wrong. They failed to do so, probably because they were bought to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing.

113 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:28:59pm
114 BlueCanuck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:29:23pm

re: #91 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... Sharmuta is a genuine sweetheart.... but I wouldn't get between FVB and a Lettuces tomato and Avocado sandwich.... ;p

I will just hold up a steak to ward him off. If that doesn't work I will resort to a meat shield. :)

115 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:29:40pm

Clearly Obama has done with using Chicago and is ready to move on. If he sets up camp more permanently in Hawaii I wouldn't be surprised if his staff, bored and arrogant, pus to move sports franchises out there.

116 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:30:03pm

re: #110 newsjunkie_ky

So very true. Every person I know that votes for democrats and The Zero did so not for the good of the Country but for what they could get. Makes me sick.

Democrats are the gimme party......

117 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:30:32pm

re: #108 Geepers

Will Media Report Baghdad's First Public Christmas Celebration?

It would have happened anyway, like the Soviet Union would have collapsed anyway without Reagan's actions.

/

118 quickjustice  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:30:36pm

re: #95 golly_wog

Isn't Wild Turkey a Kentucky bourbon? Just askin' ;-)

I mean, Tennessee has Jack Daniels and other distinguished distilleries. Where is Rebel Yell distilled?

119 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:30:52pm

re: #99 goddessoftheclassroom

My (not yet but not soon enough) ex complained that I was "too good" and saw "everything in black and white."
That was a clue...

Stand firm for the black and white! Sounds like an anthem!
IT SHOULD BE!

120 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:31:41pm

re: #110 newsjunkie_ky

So very true. Every person I know that votes for democrats and The Zero did so not for the good of the Country but for what they could get. Makes me sick.

How are you doing?
"Ask not what you can do for your country ask what I can get the country to gove to you." - needs work.

121 CapeCoddah  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:31:50pm

My great grandma's molasses cookies:

3/4 cup shortening
1 cup sugar
2 cup flour
4 teaspoons molasses
1 egg
2 teaspoons baking soda
pinch salt
1 teaspoon each:
cinnamon
ginger
ground cloves

Pre-heat oven to 350f /grease cookie sheet
mix well, take a rounded teaspoon and roll into a ball (little smaller than a ping pong ball)

when you have a tray full of dough balls, take a small 3 inch or so glass bottom,
wet it, and dip the glass bottom in sugar, then flatten the dough balls..repeat wet and sugar dip for each doughball. bake 350f for 8-10 minutes. 8 mins chewier, 10 mins crispy. **WARNING: Very Addictive** Great with morning tea and coffee anytime.

122 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:31:58pm

re: #111 goddessoftheclassroom

Not for the first time have I wished that we lived closer to each other.

Sigh... I hear you..... but dog gone it... Chicago get's way to damned cold for this SoCal boy...... ;O Besides I still haven't gotten over my last visit to the windy city.... Everybody in the club loved me while I was playing guitar.... As soon as I walked out the door some damned fool took a shot at me.....

123 Hobbes  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:32:31pm

re: #109 opnion

Well thank goodness the Bears are playing a warm weather team, the Packers. You know, Bear weather.

The game should be interesting...what a let down if the Packers beat them again!

124 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:32:31pm
125 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:33:05pm

re: #114 BlueCanuck

I will just hold up a steak to ward him off. If that doesn't work I will resort to a meat shield. :)

ROTFLMAO..... yup that would do the trick.... lol...lol...lol...

126 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:33:28pm

re: #122 doriangrey

Everybody in the club loved me while I was playing guitar.... As soon as I walked out the door some damned fool took a shot at me.....

Not like that means it was anything personal. Happens all the time.

127 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:33:42pm

re: #122 doriangrey

Sigh... I hear you..... but dog gone it... Chicago get's way to damned cold for this SoCal boy...... ;O Besides I still haven't gotten over my last visit to the windy city.... Everybody in the club loved me while I was playing guitar.... As soon as I walked out the door some damned fool took a shot at me.....

I'm outside Pittsburgh--even further than Chicago.

128 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:34:03pm

re: #116 LGoPs

Democrats are the gimme party......


So very true. It's all about them.

129 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:34:04pm

re: #124 buzzsawmonkey

If you see everything in black and white, you must really miss out when they show the Wizard of Oz...

Remember Dorothy was happier when she went home.

130 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:35:33pm

re: #120 lifeofthemind

How are you doing?
"Ask not what you can do for your country ask what I can get the country to gove to you." - needs work.

{lifeofthemind} JFKennedy would be a Republican.
You stay warm.

131 Racer X  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:35:41pm

re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Think I'm going to start singing....

I think I better dance now...

132 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:35:41pm

re: #101 Hobbes

In the suburbs of Chicago, 4 degree high today with -20 wind chill. New snow storm coming in about 3:00 A.M. reportedly lasting until midday Wednesday.
The good thing is that we'll have a white Christmas! Plus temperatures will rise by then. Of course, that's going to bring in another storm on Friday-Saturday.

I wonder how the weather will effect tonight's Bears game?

I'm curious, and this is not directed at you, but what in the world is all this "news" about snow and cold. It's fucking winter. Sure, there has been a few unusual snowfalls, but in most of the country, it's business as usual.

Yet my gosh, you would think the glaciers are pushing up New York harbor.

I really think most of this is generated the same way as AGW. It's the damn media that has turned this into "infotaiment."

133 opnion  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:35:58pm

re: #123 Hobbes

The game should be interesting...what a let down if the Packers beat them again!

Can't let that happen. The Bears have a chance to go through the back door into the playoffs. I don't care how they make it , I just want them to get in.
They could get lucky & pull Arizona in the first round. The Cardinals have collapsed.

134 Hobbes  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:36:03pm

re: #122 doriangrey

Sigh... I hear you..... but dog gone it... Chicago get's way to damned cold for this SoCal boy...... ;O Besides I still haven't gotten over my last visit to the windy city.... Everybody in the club loved me while I was playing guitar.... As soon as I walked out the door some damned fool took a shot at me.....

Good Grief!

135 golly_wog  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:36:10pm

...

136 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:36:10pm

re: #126 lifeofthemind

Not like that means it was anything personal. Happens all the time.

Yea, the get the fuck out of our town you hunkey mother fucker probably wasn't personal either..... lol...lol...lol... Funny, the cabby thought it was personal though.... He wanted to know what I did to piss those mother fuckers off.... I said... Beats me, I must have played the wrong note or something.... ;O

137 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:36:34pm

re: #3 Killian Bundy

starting next month, watch major U.S. corporations trip over each other in a race to reincorporate in more business friendly countries

yah, good point, but good luck finding any, even so, entrepreneurship has worked 1000x better in the US than anywhere else. don't want to kill it - and yet, there was a whole lot of fraud in the dotcom bubble, not to speak of idiocy, I mean, what else is a bubble but just that? a little more regulation may well be in order. my heart does not bleed for the silicon valley VCs. I mean seriously, does anybody think that there might just have been some stuff going on in the financial markets during 2008, besides regulation, that might be relevant?
/good grief

138 wolfie  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:36:38pm

re: #105 LGoPs

There's a new ad......from Ford, I think....that promotes a truck by saying it's designed by one of those smart kids we all copied off in school. Something like that. It's a cute ad, but I was disturbed by the public, nonchalant attitude toward cheating. It's taken for granted and nothing to be ashamed of. "Everyone does it! "

139 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:36:42pm

re: #124 buzzsawmonkey

If you see everything in black and white, you must really miss out when they show the Wizard of Oz...

LOL, leave it to you to get a laugh out of that statement.

140 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:37:23pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

Yet my gosh, you would think the glaciers are pushing up New York harbor.

LOLOLOL

141 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:37:35pm

re: #127 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm outside Pittsburgh--even further than Chicago.

Brrrrrr... I'm getting cold just thinking about that..... ;)

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:39:04pm

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

Actually was thinking...little more "Whooville"

A business I wanna start up
(just to many regulations)
So I can give my family an overflowing cup
(just to many regulations)
Things they do get awful c-c-cold
(just to many regulations)
Hope I get my bail-out before they get old
(just to many regulations)

Well. I tried.

143 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:39:12pm

re: #141 doriangrey

Brrrrrr... I'm getting cold just thinking about that..... ;)

Yeah, here in OC it's so bitterly cold that I'm seriously thinking of putting on a long-sleeved tee shirt!

144 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:39:38pm

re: #95 golly_wog

Tennessee bourbon balls:
3 cups crushed vanilla wafers
1 cup finely chopped pecans
1 cup confectioners sugar
3 tablespoons Karo lite syrup
1 1/2 tablespoons coco powder
1/2 cup bourbon or whiskey.

Go ahead and make a double batch and make that 1 1/2 cup of Wild Turkey if you want to watch your relatives explode. Once mixed, with powdered sugar on your hands, roll into balls 3/4" balls and plop into more powdered sugar as you work. Tin them up and refrigerate. Most people say, "thanks for the shot." These have been highly popular for the last 60 years around here. Hic.

LOL, i'll them.
thank you for the delightful post.

145 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:40:18pm

re: #138 wolfie

There's a new ad......from Ford, I think....that promotes a truck by saying it's designed by one of those smart kids we all copied off in school. Something like that. It's a cute ad, but I was disturbed by the public, nonchalant attitude toward cheating. It's taken for granted and nothing to be ashamed of. "Everyone does it! "

I think it (the culture) establishes an undercurrent,.... a background noise so to speak that is so pervasive that it bcomes almost invisible, and thus hard to combat. The effect is a steady erosion to the point where one day we wake up and say 'How the hell did we get here. I don't remember voting for this?"...........

146 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:40:23pm

Later Lizards.

147 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:41:10pm

re: #143 revobob

Yeah, here in OC it's so bitterly cold that I'm seriously thinking of putting on a long-sleeved tee shirt!

You actually had to put on a shirt? Ouch... I cant remember when it was this bad here..... ;p San Diego County..... Thank you very much...... ;p

148 Wishing  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:41:17pm

re: #146 newsjunkie_ky

Later Lizards.

Have a great evening, NJK

149 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:42:03pm

re: #146 newsjunkie_ky

Later Lizards.

Merry Christmas....Happy Holidays....
:)

150 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:42:45pm

re: #145 LGoPs

I think it (the culture) establishes an undercurrent,.... a background noise so to speak that is so pervasive that it bcomes almost invisible, and thus hard to combat. The effect is a steady erosion to the point where one day we wake up and say 'How the hell did we get here. I don't remember voting for this?"...........

Hush! You're not supposed to notice the water getting hotter...

(Froggie)

151 Hobbes  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:42:53pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

I'm curious, and this is not directed at you, but what in the world is all this "news" about snow and cold. It's fucking winter. Sure, there has been a few unusual snowfalls, but in most of the country, it's business as usual.

Yet my gosh, you would think the glaciers are pushing up New York harbor.

I really think most of this is generated the same way as AGW. It's the damn media that has turned this into "infotaiment."

Yeah, you're right it's winter. But, we haven't had this kind of weather that's lasted more than a few days, in many, many moons. Also, when it does occur it's later in the season. We'll get a few snow storms in early December, but by Christmas it's warmed up and if we get anything it's usually rain. I'm not so much complaining about the cold, as much as where's our portion of "Global Warming"...oops, sorry, Climate Change. Ha, ha.

152 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:43:26pm
153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:44:12pm

re: #150 revobob

"Does froggie love daddy? Daddy love froggie!"

154 opnion  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:44:16pm

Obama worked out at the Marine gym on Oahu yesterday, with our new Jackie Kennedy, Michelle. When he left the gym in his sweaty tee shirt, he spotted two Marines standing outside & saluted them.
Uh huh, nice Barry, you are not yet president & those Marines did not owe you a salute. I am sure that they snapped salutes though.

155 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:44:17pm
156 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:44:21pm

re: #147 doriangrey

You actually had to put on a shirt? Ouch... I cant remember when it was this bad here..... ;p San Diego County..... Thank you very much...... ;p


The way I look I always wear a shirt- run afoul of indecent exposure laws otherwise- children puke, women scream, and strong men avert their eyes...

157 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:44:53pm

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

As we rocket into the New Ice Age, I want to know where I can get my very own wooly mammoth.

I want a cashmerey one.

158 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:45:10pm

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

You're right; the rock beat goes better than the neo-folkie whine in this case.

Rock... That sounds more like a neo-classical blues metal fusion than any thing else..... ;)

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:45:14pm

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

You're right; the rock beat goes better than the neo-folkie whine in this case.

I'll leave that shit up to you. Little mind-racking for me.

160 pat  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:45:35pm

These moonbats voted for libs for the last 20 years. Now they are closing the doors behind them to the detriment of the nation.

161 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:45:49pm

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Does froggie love daddy? Daddy love froggie!"


Shut up and get back in the pot- Daddy DOES love froggie, but then dady is not a vegetarian!

162 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:45:54pm

re: #150 revobob

Hush! You're not supposed to notice the water getting hotter...

(Froggie)

You're right. It's very insidious because it is so gradual. At any given point the effects seem harmless enough where if you jump up and say stop, you look like the hard case and thus are easily dismissed.
Only thing I don't know is if this is a natural evolution of things or if it is calculated. Being the skeptic I am, I suspect the latter......

163 The Shadow Do  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:46:06pm

Just wonderin', can we trade Cognito and some Lizards to be named later for Michael Malone?

/kidding Cog! kidding!

164 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:46:30pm

re: #157 goddessoftheclassroom

I want a cashmerey one.

Sure you wouldn't settle for a naked mole rat former rock star?

165 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:46:32pm
166 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:47:13pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Soft and cuddly!

I wish they'd clone those "dwarf mammoths" (love that oxymoron) from that island off Siberia, if there's any usable DNA lying around. Be nice to have a cute little mammoth about the size of a Shetland pony.

I hear they eat jumbo shrimp.

167 rexatosis  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:47:13pm

The problem with Washington is they completely ignore what the purpose of the regulation of capitalism is. It is to create essentially firewalls between segments of the economy so if one segment goes bust after a boom it won't bring down the whole structure (that was the lesson of the '29 crash). The use of regulations to micromanage each segment of the economy does not work and is often protectionism in disguise. It would be nice if the powers that be in Washington would actually read (that means the whole book not a synopsis written by some aide) Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations.

168 Hobbes  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:47:24pm

Time to eat. See you all later!

169 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:47:32pm
170 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:47:35pm

re: #163 The Shadow Do

Just wonderin', can we trade Cognito and some Lizards to be named later for Michael Malone?

/kidding Cog! kidding!

Sigh.... If only there were someone who would consider cog in a trade..... ;(

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:47:42pm

re: #150 revobob

Hush! You're not supposed to notice the water getting hotter...

(Froggie)

Froggy

172 lifeofthemind  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:48:21pm

later

173 Peter Verkooijen  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:48:27pm

It's the European model everybody here in New York loves so much; government support for established companies, vested interests and the poor, high taxes and barriers to the market for the rest of us. Economically clueless conservatives laid the foundation, Obama will finish the job.

174 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:48:37pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Soft and cuddly!

I wish they'd clone those "dwarf mammoths" (love that oxymoron) from that island off Siberia, if there's any usable DNA lying around. Be nice to have a cute little mammoth about the size of a Shetland pony.

They claim we had those here on the islands off the coast of Cali.... who knew.....

175 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:48:53pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Soft and cuddly!

I wish they'd clone those "dwarf mammoths" (love that oxymoron) from that island off Siberia, if there's any usable DNA lying around. Be nice to have a cute little mammoth about the size of a Shetland pony.


Still need a heckuva fence 'round the backyard!

176 FlakMusic  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:50:03pm

re: #18 Outrider

I get the sense Washington is damned if they do and damned if they don't. When they maintain a hands off climate, an incident along the lines of Enron or FMae/FMac occur and everyone goes nuts. If they get into the regulating mode, they will do so as good little bureaucrats, dotting every i and crossing every t, in other words covering every contingency; which has the impact of stifling whatever it was they were attempting to fix.

I know there is a happy balance, but it will take someone smarter than I to figure it out.

As Sowell makes clear over and over in his timeless classic, A Conflict of Visions, reality is all about trade-offs...and the left doesn't understand that.

They legislate to establish utopia, and interpret the unintended consequences as either the price to be paid for said utopia, or, more often, as the need for even more regulation.

It's better to live with the occasional abuse of liberty, than to try to eliminate the abuses by eliminating liberty.

177 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:50:27pm
178 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:50:40pm

re: #175 revobob

Still need a heckuva fence 'round the backyard!


And hafta drive a BobCat when ya take him out fer a walk..

179 opnion  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:51:03pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Soft and cuddly!

I wish they'd clone those "dwarf mammoths" (love that oxymoron) from that island off Siberia, if there's any usable DNA lying around. Be nice to have a cute little mammoth about the size of a Shetland pony.

It's kind of like being told by your coach that you get to play a full half.

180 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:51:03pm

re: #151 Hobbes

Yeah, you're right it's winter. But, we haven't had this kind of weather that's lasted more than a few days, in many, many moons. Also, when it does occur it's later in the season. We'll get a few snow storms in early December, but by Christmas it's warmed up and if we get anything it's usually rain. I'm not so much complaining about the cold, as much as where's our portion of "Global Warming"...oops, sorry, Climate Change. Ha, ha.

I said this was not directed at you. Just because your area is having some early snow and cold, doesn't mean anything is wrong and that's it's anything to get all worked up about.

Have you seen the story links on Drudge? You would think it's the end of the world. Check the figures, just because it hasn't happened in your lifetime, or in 10-20 years, doesn't indicate any trend.

181 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:51:56pm

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, but that would be paid for when you docked the tusks.


Ivory grips for all my handguns!(And maybe a few clue balls for my liberal friends)

182 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:52:30pm
183 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:52:31pm

re: #154 opnion

Obama worked out at the Marine gym on Oahu yesterday, with our new Jackie Kennedy, Michelle. When he left the gym in his sweaty tee shirt, he spotted two Marines standing outside & saluted them.
Uh huh, nice Barry, you are not yet president & those Marines did not owe you a salute. I am sure that they snapped salutes though.

Hi There! you know I've said this for along time.. Barack is a good Baller..
Forget politics...
I remember about 6 months ago Barry was playing at Duke with Coack K. and some players.. One player dropped Barry in the Lane.
Coach K. went to that player and said..You know the secret service is here right? I wouldn't do that again.
I have no issues with a future president that works out and plays Ball to keep in shape..That's really cool..And to tell you the truth I'd love to cut him on a rebound...But i absolutely love having an athletic president.

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:52:41pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

I think human years are pretty insignificant. Hell, 6000 have passed already since the earth was formed.

/

185 The Shadow Do  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:53:04pm

re: #170 doriangrey

Sigh.... If only there were someone who would consider cog in a trade..... ;(

Good point. Gonna have to sweeten the deal with some Zionist checks or some such.

186 opnion  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:55:02pm

re: #183 HoosierHoops

Hi There! you know I've said this for along time.. Barack is a good Baller..
Forget politics...
I remember about 6 months ago Barry was playing at Duke with Coack K. and some players.. One player dropped Barry in the Lane.
Coach K. went to that player and said..You know the secret service is here right? I wouldn't do that again.
I have no issues with a future president that works out and plays Ball to keep in shape..That's really cool..And to tell you the truth I'd love to cut him on a rebound...But i absolutely love having an athletic president.

That's cause you love basketball. Let's shut the season down & go directly to March Madness! I want to do my brackets.

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:55:12pm

re: #181 revobob

One of my favorite "Far Side"s; elephant at a phone booth, on crutches, missing a leg, says..."They turned it into a what?"

188 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:55:39pm

re: #183 HoosierHoops

Hi There! you know I've said this for along time.. Barack is a good Baller..
Forget politics...
I remember about 6 months ago Barry was playing at Duke with Coack K. and some players.. One player dropped Barry in the Lane.
Coach K. went to that player and said..You know the secret service is here right? I wouldn't do that again.
I have no issues with a future president that works out and plays Ball to keep in shape..That's really cool..And to tell you the truth I'd love to cut him on a rebound...But i absolutely love having an athletic president.

Welllll- so far he has run his mouth and jumped a.) to conclusions, b.) the gun, c.) the shark.
As a hoopster, do you suppose he dribbles before he shoots?

189 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:56:38pm

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

As we rocket into the New Ice Age, I want to know where I can get my very own wooly mammoth.

the O can give you one. get on the list now tho.
as you know i'm still waiting on my unicorn and i put in for it, quite a while ago.
right around the time that he said, when he is elected, the "rise of the oceans will begin to slow and the planet will begin to heal"
a guy who can do that, can get you a wooly mammoth.
what are you going to name it?

190 doriangrey  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:57:02pm

re: #185 The Shadow Do

Good point. Gonna have to sweeten the deal with some Zionist checks or some such.

Hmmm, sadly I doubt even god himself has that much money.....

191 Nylecoj  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:57:24pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

I'm curious, and this is not directed at you, but what in the world is all this "news" about snow and cold. It's fucking winter. Sure, there has been a few unusual snowfalls, but in most of the country, it's business as usual.

Yet my gosh, you would think the glaciers are pushing up New York harbor.

I really think most of this is generated the same way as AGW. It's the damn media that has turned this into "infotaiment."

Well it is kind of news here as we are about 25 degrees below average, but then again as my dad says that's what averages are. Maybe next year we will have a heat wave to make up the difference. The white Christmas, also quite unusual, is sure welcome though.

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:58:17pm

re: #191 Nylecoj

Oh yeah. Your mom was a looker!

193 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:58:21pm

re: #189 nyc redneck

the O can give you one. get on the list now tho.
as you know i'm still waiting on my unicorn and i put in for it, quite a while ago.
right around the time that he said, when he is elected, the "rise of the oceans will begin to slow and the planet will begin to heal"
a guy who can do that, can get you a wooly mammoth.
what are you going to name it?

KSM? :)

194 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:59:03pm

re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One of my favorite "Far Side"s; elephant at a phone booth, on crutches, missing a leg, says..."They turned it into a what?"


I've always envied people like Gahan Wilson who can turn mental derangement into a lucrative career- and WITHOUT entering politics or being born a Kennedy!

195 Spiny Norman  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:59:04pm

re: #18 Outrider

I get the sense Washington is damned if they do and damned if they don't. When they maintain a hands off climate, an incident along the lines of Enron or FMae/FMac occur and everyone goes nuts. If they get into the regulating mode, they will do so as good little bureaucrats, dotting every i and crossing every t, in other words covering every contingency; which has the impact of stifling whatever it was they were attempting to fix.

I know there is a happy balance, but it will take someone smarter than I to figure it out.

Here's the problem: Big Government NEVER takes small steps. It's all or nothing.

196 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:59:27pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think human years are pretty insignificant. Hell, 6000 have passed already since the earth was formed.

/

Don't go down that yellow brick road right now, I'm just calming down.

197 Cathypop  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:59:28pm

re: #178 revobob

And hafta drive a BobCat when ya take him out fer a walk..


A bobcat to clean up after the little dude!

198 opnion  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:59:28pm

re: #188 revobob

Welllll- so far he has run his mouth and jumped a.) to conclusions, b.) the gun, c.) the shark.
As a hoopster, do you suppose he dribbles before he shoots?

In all fairness the guy is not that good. He never started a game in high school & he did not go to an elite baskeball school.
He would like to square up on the arc & try to hit threes. He did not like to mix it up under the boards. In typical Barry fashion, he thought that he was entitled to start. His whole life & his wife's have been dominated by a sense of entitlement.

199 stevieray  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:59:41pm

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Froggy

Froggy

200 The Shadow Do  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 3:59:51pm

re: #190 doriangrey

Hmmm, sadly I doubt even god himself has that much money.....

Well, if we can't trade him we'll just have to sit him. Eh coach?

201 razorbacker  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:00:15pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Soft and cuddly!

I wish they'd clone those "dwarf mammoths" (love that oxymoron) from that island off Siberia, if there's any usable DNA lying around. Be nice to have a cute little mammoth about the size of a Shetland pony.

Sorta on topic here...

Elephants with tuskless gene beat poachers

2005-07-18 - Beijing, China


"More male Asian elephants will be born without tusks because poaching of tusked elephants is reducing the gene pool, Chinese researchers say. The tusk-free gene, which is found in between 2 and 5% percent of male Asian elephants, has increased to between 5 and 10% in elephants in China, says zoology researcher Associate Professor Zhang Li, from Beijing Normal University."

Also noted in the Ugandan herds.

202 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:01:46pm

Great 18 second video- Reporting in a Winter Wonderland!

203 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:02:19pm

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Froggy

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:02:26pm
205 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:03:37pm

re: #154 opnion

Obama worked out at the Marine gym on Oahu yesterday, with our new Jackie Kennedy, Michelle. When he left the gym in his sweaty tee shirt, he spotted two Marines standing outside & saluted them.
Uh huh, nice Barry, you are not yet president & those Marines did not owe you a salute. I am sure that they snapped salutes though.

i bet he has a goofy stupid salute. unmanly.
( i can't even imagine the guy saluting. actually)

206 Peter Verkooijen  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:05:04pm

re: #8 quickjustice

Ironically, the tech industry supports Democrats in overwhelming numbers, so they are the cause of their own misfortunes. It'll get worse for them, not better-- except for the "winners" Obama purports to pick.

The tech sector is in total denial. On the basis of his web-heavy campaign they believe Obama is an innovator, the first digital president. They really see him as one of them, even though he's always been hostile to business, has no entrepreneurial experience whatsoever and is now proposing big 1930s-style "shovel-ready" public works, roads and bridges etc.

207 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:05:43pm

re: #186 opnion

That's cause you love basketball. Let's shut the season down & go directly to March Madness! I want to do my brackets.

I really do love the Ball. March Madness is the greatest month of all sports.
But don't get me wrong.. My oldest son is 6'3" 265 lbs and given the chance I'd cut him on a rebound and make him go crying to mama that daddy is being mean. I love sports and it creates character.
Wouldn't it be nice to have the sh*t knocked out of you and thrown out below the basket by Shaq? I would love being beat by the best...
But sports and politics are different and I know that.
Kind regards,
/unless you bull rush the lane..
:)

208 revobob  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:07:16pm

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

And, in other news, there is a factory in China producing synthetic tusks out of extruded plastic so that the tuskless elephants do not develop an inferiority complex.

Loxodonta polycarbonata chiniensis?

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:08:58pm

Anybody see the movie "Burn After Reading"?

Freaking fabulous. Coming out on DVD, ad campaign for it...it is great.

Moonbats in it, sure, but a buttload of fun.

210 nyc redneck  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:09:25pm

re: #193 Bloodnok

KSM? :)

LOL,
perfect.

211 Killian Bundy  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:09:47pm

As Oil Sinks, U.S. Officials Plan to Fight Speculation

Washington appears poised to forge ahead with new commodity-trading rules. There are already 30-plus proposals for greater commodity regulation, and lawmakers in both chambers are writing legislation that would at the very least give regulators authority to set position limits in over-the-counter markets.

"Even if speculators only had a small impact [on price], that's not right. Our job is to guard against fraud and abuse," said CFTC Commissioner Bart Chilton, a Democratic appointee. "Congress should act expeditiously to prevent the type of excessive speculation and leveraging we have seen."

/so much for free markets

212 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:13:55pm

re: #198 opnion

In all fairness the guy is not that good. He never started a game in high school & he did not go to an elite baskeball school.
He would like to square up on the arc & try to hit threes. He did not like to mix it up under the boards. In typical Barry fashion, he thought that he was entitled to start. His whole life & his wife's have been dominated by a sense of entitlement.

He plays a good wing position..Has a nice left handed shot and enjoys sports.
I don't know anyone in my lifetime that could even ball and be a president.
We can cut him on his politics but not on being an athlete.
/ I hope this doesn't destroy my karma..But I like him as a baller.
I don't like his politics

213 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:15:54pm

re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Think I'm going to start singing....

Me too.

214 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:20:26pm

Can ya'll beer me? ***tap-tap-tap***

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:24:13pm

re: #212 HoosierHoops

Love his opinion of NCAA Football (he is for some type of a play-off system).

216 Nylecoj  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:24:43pm

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh yeah. Your mom was a looker!

Thank-you Sir!
I always think my folks look like movie stars in that photo.
I am told I look just like her, although that gets said now that she is 70. Hmmm :)

217 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:28:46pm

Peace, Joy and Happy Holidays to all my lizard friends. Flying to Chicago tomorrow to spend Christmas with Mom and the whole family. Probbly be off the air for a few days......

218 yamster  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:39:21pm

anyone read the story by Fox on how Al Franken is going to end up stealing the Minn senate seat by 78 votes?...just f*cking unbelievable...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

219 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:52:24pm

IMO

Mega-church, mega-pastor, mega-president, mega-compromise.

220 Empire1  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 4:58:21pm

re: #154 opnion

Obama worked out at the Marine gym on Oahu yesterday, with our new Jackie Kennedy, Michelle. When he left the gym in his sweaty tee shirt, he spotted two Marines standing outside & saluted them.
Uh huh, nice Barry, you are not yet president & those Marines did not owe you a salute. I am sure that they snapped salutes though.

He saluted first? ::snicker::

221 Empire1  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 5:09:27pm

re: #220 Empire1

Oh, for the civilians among us: the lower in rank salutes the senior, and the senior then returns the salute. The One, by saluting the Marines first, acted as the lower-ranking person (well, compared to Marines, YEAH!), and they had to return the salute as a matter of military courtesy.

Oh, there's one exception: if the junior has earned the Medal of Honor, he is the one who is saluted and returns the salute.

222 Colonel Panik  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 5:13:01pm

When is Malone going to make the connection between the hordes SillyClone Valley techno-dweebs with Bush-hate paraphernalia all over their cubicles who vote Democrat in overwhelming numbers and the over-regulation he decries?

High tech morons.

The Bush hate is real group think in the cubicle farms.

223 Hobbes  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 5:27:08pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

I said this was not directed at you. Just because your area is having some early snow and cold, doesn't mean anything is wrong and that's it's anything to get all worked up about.

Have you seen the story links on Drudge? You would think it's the end of the world. Check the figures, just because it hasn't happened in your lifetime, or in 10-20 years, doesn't indicate any trend.

Dear Walter,
I didn't take your comment personally. You said you were curious, so I told you why I had mentioned our weather in my earlier comment. I didn't realize you didn't want an answer. I'm sorry if I hit a sore spot. I've seen the links on Drudge, but I'm not Drudge. And, I'm not stupid or young enough to believe one winter makes a trend! That logic goes with the Global Warming nuts.

I guess I'll have to agree with the Lizard yesterday who said that in polite society you use to be safe discussing the weather or sports...now, it's just sports.

224 mich-again  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 7:46:59pm
Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

Welcome to our nightmare.

Signed, Detroit.

225 kansas  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 7:58:05pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

/60 Minutes, anchor Lesley Stahl

Barney Frank has been called the smartest guy in Congress, which is lucky for us, since he works on some of the thorniest issues around. The 14-term, 68-year-old Harvard-educated Democratic congressman from Massachusetts is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which means his portfolio includes banks, housing, and now the auto industry... even the most hardened Republicans give him good reviews.

Hardened Republicans? Yeah, I bet Barn likes them.

226 kansas  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 8:00:29pm

re: #220 Empire1

He saluted first? ::snicker::

Seems to me the guy is trying. I remember when the Hillary Clinton was said to ignore the military men.

227 Archimedes  Mon, Dec 22, 2008 8:39:46pm

re: #5 quickjustice

Washington's specialty: Strangling the goose that lays the golden eggs!

And blaming it on the goose!

228 Marlin925  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:18:22am

re: #52 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

PIMF-

Brilliant parody ad...
Yee-Haw, our chance to tump the East German Trabant and the Usetislavia (Used to be Yugoslavia) Yugo...

229 snuffyword  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:48:50am

re: #225 kansas

Barney Frank has been called the smartest guy in Congress, which is lucky for us, since he works on some of the thorniest issues around. The 14-term, 68-year-old Harvard-educated Democratic congressman from Massachusetts is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which means his portfolio includes banks, housing, and now the auto industry... even the most hardened Republicans give him good reviews.

Hardened Republicans? Yeah, I bet Barn likes them.

Of course he does. He has become a hardened criminal from what he has done or is responsible for.


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