NPR Rewrites Rathergate History to Cover Up Fraud

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Media • Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 8:49 am PST • Views: 1,926

National Public Radio does their best to rewrite history in this shockingly disingenuous piece on the Rathergate affair, told from Dan Rather’s perspective as he openly states (and NPR doesn’t challenge) that the memos in his infamous 60 Minutes II piece were never proven to be fakes: Dan Rather Hopes To Tell His Bush Story In Court.

The Sept. 8, 2004, report was aired just eight weeks before Election Day. Conservative bloggers slammed CBS and Rather immediately — poring over decades-old typefaces and fonts to charge the documents were forgeries. Former Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, the key source who provided the copies of the records — supposedly from the personal files of young Lt. Bush’s commanding officer — changed his story about how he got them. Other sources, seemingly vouching for the records, said they were taken out of context. …

Before the report was concluded, Rather announced he would voluntarily relinquish the anchor’s desk the next spring. But he now says he was called in the day after the election and told he was out as anchor. After a bit more than a year as a little-used correspondent, Rather left CBS in 2006. He now says the story about Bush’s military service record was true.

“Nobody has ever proven the documents to be anything but what they purported to be,” Rather says. “What the documents stated has never been denied — by the president or anyone around him.”

Rather’s attorneys also point to public statements by Michael Missal, a lawyer in Thornburgh’s law firm who helped conduct the investigation.

“It’s ironic that the blogs were actually wrong when they had their criticism,” Missal said in a speech back in March at Washington and Lee’s law school.

“We actually did find typewriters that did have the superscripts, did have proportional spacing, and on the fonts, given that these are copies, it’s really hard to say,” Missal said. “But there were some typewriters that looked like they could have some similar fonts there, so the initial concerns didn’t seem as though they would hold up.”

There’s no polite way to put it; this is a steaming pile of unvarnished crap. The documents were indeed proven to be frauds, beyond a shadow of a doubt, and Rather and his lawyers know it. It’s disgusting to watch these people try to lie their way back into respectability.

There was no “poring over decades-old typefaces.” It was obvious to me that these documents were not created on a typewriter within seconds of the first time I saw them.

They never found a typewriter that could produce a match for those documents, and they never will — because such a typewriter does not exist. The documents were created in Microsoft Word and printed on a modern printer.

And here’s the simple, undeniable proof, obvious to anyone with eyes and a brain that hasn’t been warped by the dishonest media; our animated GIF alternating between the CBS version of the “18 August 1973” document, and the version we created in Microsoft Word using its default settings:


As I wrote on September 9, 2004:

The spacing is not just similar—it is identical in every respect. Notice that the date lines up perfectly, all the line breaks are in the same places, all letters line up with the same letters above and below, and the kerning is exactly the same. And I did not change a single thing from Word’s defaults; margins, type size, tab stops, etc. are all using the default settings. The one difference (the “th” in “187th” is slightly lower) is probably due to a slight difference between the Mac and PC versions of the Times New Roman font, or it could be an artifact of whatever process was used to artificially “age” the document. (Update: I printed the document and the “th” matches perfectly in the printed version. It’s a difference between screen and printer fonts.)

There is absolutely no way that this document was typed on any machine that was available in 1973.

Curious, isn’t it, that none of these articles trying to rehabilitate Rather ever mention the actual bloggers who exposed the fraud by name? Instead, they’re just unnamed “conservative bloggers” — or if it’s the New York Times, “right wing bloggers.”

None of the writers ever contact me, and none of the articles ever include the animated GIF that demonstrates the fraud conclusively.

The reason why they leave out this important information is simple: if they tell people where to find the debunkers and their proof, the pathetic tissue of lies they’re constructing would fall apart — because people could go on the Internet and see the truth with their own eyes.

(Hat tip: Occasional Reader.)

UPDATE at 12/23/08 10:57:34 am:

Some more thoughts:

Whether superscript, proportional spacing, or some other typographical detail was possible on a typewriter in the 1970s is actually irrelevant, because the output produced by Microsoft Word is as distinctive as a fingerprint.

I did an experiment and entered the “18 August 1973” document into Apple’s TextEdit program, after changing the defaults to match MS Word’s as closely as possible, and the resulting document was completely different. You can see the results in this post.

Word processing programs make all kinds of decisions about how to display and print fonts, and they are not all the same. Each program has its distinctive ways of determining what the document is supposed to look like, and it’s really difficult to get them to match with the degree of accuracy we see in the throbbing memo GIF, even with lots of tweaking and adjusting of settings. You can even see differences in different versions of the same program.

And since it’s so difficult to get a close match even with a similar modern word processor, to maintain that a 1970s-era typewriter could have done it is ludicrous.

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1 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:52:09am

Sweet jumpin' Jebus, I can't remember the last time I had a hat tip. I think it was during the Truman administration. Thank you, Santa!

2 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:52:37am

I think he's lost his mind.

3 turn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:52:39am

Good on ya OR!

4 coquimbojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:53:02am

I love the smell of throbbing memo in the morning.

5 saylorfam  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:53:49am

It is amazing how time passing will permit such blatant revision and falsehood. They will never let this one go as it was the bellweather for the collapse for the credability of the mainstream media for most people.
Get ready for a lot more of this type of thing.

6 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:53:57am

re: #3 turn

Good on ya OR!

Finally, torturing myself with NPR in the morning while I'm getting ready for work paid off!

7 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:54:17am

Hell YES...the throbbing MEMO returns.

8 firepilot  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:55:37am

I heard that story on NPR last night. He is living in some kind of delusional Rather-land if he still believes all of his tripe.

9 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:55:41am

Dan Rather is a boil on the ass of history.

10 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:55:48am

And let me just reiterate the two most hilarious lines in the piece:

Internal memos show the journalists at least discussed for the panel were largely ideological figures on the right — including Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and others.

Ultimately, CBS chose Louis Boccardi, the former CEO of The Associated Press, the non-ideological wire service.

And:

Rather and his team were also exonerated of any political agenda.

11 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:55:54am

re: #1 Occasional Reader

I can't get over that bit about the "the non-ideological wire service" re: AP.

12 joncelli  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:56:21am

Why is the left investing so much energy in exonerating Rather?

13 coquimbojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:56:22am

re: #5 saylorfam

Its a lot like Alger Hiss. He was guilty of spying for the Soviets, it was proven, yet the left still whistles past the graveyard.

The left does love their Rosenbergs.

14 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:56:24am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dan Rather is a boil on the ass of history.

Don't libel boils.

15 OldDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:56:39am

We have always been at war with Eurasia!

/smoke

16 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:56:50am

Would it be ironic if I pointed out that the Fairness Doctrine would actually favor Charles and LGF in this instance?

17 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:56:53am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dan Rather is a boil on the ass of history.

No, he is a carbuncle on the boil on the ass of history. (Sorry, I had to slip the word carbuncle in somewhere today)

18 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:57:17am

re: #12 joncelli

Why is the left investing so much energy in exonerating Rather?

It's not just Rather that took a beating but also the MFM.

19 Babydoc97  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:57:25am

The Minitruth would be just so dang PROUD of Dannie Boy and his ambulance chasing scumbag associates.

All I want for Christmas this year, Santa, is a new country where the principles of our Founding Fathers are upheld, and evryone is smart enough to reject both socialism and the satanic death cult known as islam.

I've been really good this year, Santa...PLEASE!

20 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:57:34am

re: #5 saylorfam

It is amazing how time passing will permit such blatant revision and falsehood. They will never let this one go as it was the bellweather for the collapse for the credability of the mainstream media for most people.
Get ready for a lot more of this type of thing.


History is written rewritten by the victors. At the moment the victors are the MSM.

21 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:57:41am

But the letter from the Mayor of Paris WAS REAL.

22 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:57:43am

Rather seems to be still going with the "what the documents stated has never been denied" bit.

How stupid does he think we are?
or, how stupid is he?
Or is he just lost in a land of delusion?

23 coquimbojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:57:49am

re: #12 joncelli

Because if he was wrong on many things and worldview assumptions, so are they?

I'm just spitballin' here

24 turn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:58:06am

"Former Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, the key source who provided the copies of the records — supposedly from the personal files of young Lt. Bush’s commanding officer — changed his story about how he got them."

Lucy, where are you? What a disgusting attempt to cover for Rather. The only time I listen to NPR is when I'm camping near the SF bay area. Ha, I wake the turnwife up cussing at the radio early in the morning. That's about the time I have a vodka and OJ to start the day out on the right track. And the taxpayers pay for the shit? Insane.

25 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:58:13am

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Rather seems to be still going with the "what the documents stated has never been denied" bit.

How stupid does he think we are?
or, how stupid is he?
Or is he just lost in a land of delusion?

I think the man needs help.

26 coquimbojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:58:22am

re: #14 MandyManners

Don't libel history's ass.

27 Dave the.....  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:58:28am

Charles, you made a good point about three weeks ago, when the syndicated column was in several papers...that this is an attempt to change history. You just repeat the lie over and over, and soon people believe it.

Remember what happened to Clarence Thomas. At the time, most people rightly believed him, not Hill. After roughly two years, with NO NEW INFORMATION coming out about the issue, the opinion polls showed a flip flop. This was due to MSM presenting Hill's story as the truth.

Bush derangement Syndrome is so intense, that the left wants to believe this story. GWB flying jet fighters over the Gulf of Mexico does not fit the image they have of him.

28 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:58:50am

re: #11 MandyManners

I can't get over that bit about the "the non-ideological wire service" re: AP.

I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of that line here at LGF. It's a keeper.

29 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:59:20am

I sometimes turn on NPR when stuck on the freeway, and it never takes more than five minutes to make me howl, and ten minutes before the rancid stupidity (not to mention turgid smugness) of the hosts sends me surfing back to the alternative music stations.

30 turn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:59:36am

re: #6 Occasional Reader

Finally, torturing myself with NPR in the morning while I'm getting ready for work paid off!


See my 24, actually I enjoy listening to this shit. It gives my BS detector a work out.

31 saberry0530  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:59:55am

Well it is the only thing that Dan Rather has had to throb since the Johnson Administration!

32 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:00:25am

From last thread:

In the meantime, my sister in law is reading the Audacity of Hope and the New York Times downstairs in my kitchen. She and Mr DT already had one major blow up about it. She said Bill Ayers was a "prankster" not a terrorist. Mr DT hit the roof.

33 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:00:53am

Thanks, OR. I could use a little throbbing memo this morning.

34 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:00:54am

re: #30 turn

See my 24, actually I enjoy listening to this shit. It gives my BS detector a work out.

Listening to NPR does make me feel morally superior - then dirty.

35 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:00:55am

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Rather seems to be still going with the "what the documents stated has never been denied" bit.

How stupid does he think we are?
or, how stupid is he?
Or is he just lost in a land of delusion?

Yes.

36 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:01:36am

So lets strop up Occam's razor here...so we are to believe that either:

A. There are some very obscure, rare typewriters from the '70's that presciently mimic Microsoft word...typewriters that to this day remain very rare and hard to find even though the US MILITARY probably owned a bizzillion of them or...

B. It was a fake done on a modern printer with Microsoft word that looks exactly like Microsoft word.


Well all I can say is that Rather better hope for an OJ jury stupid enough to fall for this.

37 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:01:49am

re: #28 Occasional Reader

I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of that line here at LGF. It's a keeper.

The mere fact that they wrote that shows that they know they're full of shit. Or, maybe they are just that ignorant.

38 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:01:53am

re: #34 DistantThunder

Listening to NPR does make me feel morally superior - then dirty.

I can only take National Palestinian Radio in metered doses

39 simonml  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:02:00am

I'm not a big cusser, but how dare those f#ckers?! These people are self righteous as hell. They make OJ look innocent

40 kynna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:02:01am

Hurray for the Throbbing Memo!

Jeers for NPR and their ilk who blatantly lie and obfuscate. Grrr.

41 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:02:06am

re: #32 DistantThunder

From last thread:

In the meantime, my sister in law is reading the Audacity of Hope and the New York Times downstairs in my kitchen. She and Mr DT already had one major blow up about it. She said Bill Ayers was a "prankster" not a terrorist. Mr DT hit the roof.

Planning exterminations of millions of your fellow citizens, car bombs, and rapes are not a prank.

42 gymnast  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:02:11am

Perhaps NPR could do a piece on Dan Rather and Mary Mapes attempt to co-opt the Presidential election by using false documents. NPR is a pernicious organization and Dan Rather is a sack of crap that will be forgotten by history except as an example of a prevaricating left wing shitbird.

43 Dave the.....  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:02:24am

Distant Thunder

She and Mr DT already had one major blow up about it. She said Bill Ayers was a "prankster" not a terrorist. Mr DT hit the roof.


Ask her if the Birmingham church bombers were pranksters. Or were they activists in troubled times?

44 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:02:49am

re: #32 DistantThunder

From last thread:

In the meantime, my sister in law is reading the Audacity of Hope and the New York Times downstairs in my kitchen. She and Mr DT already had one major blow up about it. She said Bill Ayers was a "prankster" not a terrorist. Mr DT hit the roof.

Are there on-line instructions on how to build a nail-bomb? Showing her those might give her pause.

45 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:02:56am
46 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:03:06am

You can listen to this story too. The audio varies somewhat from the text. This part is best in Rather's own, husky, paranoid voice:

"Pause and absorb that for a moment," Rather says, leaning in. "It can't be an independent panel if your goal is to mollify one political segment — in this case, the segment that's in power at this time."
47 simonml  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:03:45am

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Rather seems to be still going with the "what the documents stated has never been denied" bit.

How stupid does he think we are?
or, how stupid is he?
Or is he just lost in a land of delusion?

It had a truthiness to it, even if the memos were faked

48 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:03:56am

re: #2 Sharmuta

I think he's lost his mind.

Rather, yes.

But what of NPR?

49 nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:08am

This is really no different than the democrats rewriting the sub prime mortgage mess?

50 coquimbojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:19am

re: #29 itellu3times

I sometimes turn on NPR when stuck on the freeway, and it never takes more than five minutes to make me howl, and ten minutes before the rancid stupidity (not to mention turgid smugness) of the hosts sends me surfing back to the alternative music stations.

If I were to register a sock puppet today, and I am not saying I would, at all, ever... I think 'turgid smugness' would be at the top of my list for nics. Just sayin...

(The writer of this post does not in anyway shape of form endorse the registering or use there of of sock puppets, Italian names for William Jefferson Blythe Clinton, or anything that would rouse the Lizard king from his peaceful slumber to hunt down, and ban the above mentioned sockity sock puppet).

51 Bloodnok  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:28am

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Rather seems to be still going with the "what the documents stated has never been denied" bit.

How stupid does he think we are?
or, how stupid is he?
Or is he just lost in a land of delusion?

It's not a lie...if you believe it.

/Costanza

52 Dave the.....  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:34am

I always have said, Dan Rather reminds me of the captain on the Caine Mutiny, when he finally looses it at the end of the movie. Charles must have stole Rather's strawberries.

53 turn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:34am

I just want to say one more time, thanks for keeping an election from getting tipped Charles.

54 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:48am

re: #17 Creeping Eruption

No, he is a carbuncle on the boil on the ass of history. (Sorry, I had to slip the word carbuncle in somewhere today)

Is it your "word of the day"?

55 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:52am

re: #36 Big Steve

So lets strop up Occam's razor here...so we are to believe that either:

A. There are some very obscure, rare typewriters from the '70's that presciently mimic Microsoft word...typewriters that to this day remain very rare and hard to find even though the US MILITARY probably owned a bizzillion of them or...

B. It was a fake done on a modern printer with Microsoft word that looks exactly like Microsoft word.


Well all I can say is that Rather better hope for an OJ jury stupid enough to fall for this.

Chances for getting such a jury - pretty high, are they?

56 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:55am

More hilarity ensues:

Hamas 'might renew' truce in Gaza

Hamas would consider renewing the expired Gaza truce if Israel respected its initial conditions, leaders of the Palestinian militant group have said.

Hamas was ready to stop firing rockets if Israel stopped its "aggression" in Gaza and opened up border crossings, spokesman Fawzi Barhoum told the BBC.

On Sunday Hamas said it would stop rocket fire into Israel for 24 hours at the request of Egyptian mediators.

Some 50 rockets and mortars have been fired since the truce ended on Friday.

But most of those were launched before the 24-hour lull was announced.

Time to show Hamas what a real artillery barrage looks like.

57 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:05:13am

And Mandy that nail bomb was for a Fort Dix officers DANCE - how twisted is that?

She is delusional.

58 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:05:18am
59 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:05:27am

re: #52 Dave the...

I always have said, Dan Rather reminds me of the captain on the Caine Mutiny, when he finally looses it at the end of the movie. Charles must have stole Rather's strawberries.

LOL!

60 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:06:11am

re: #52 Dave the...

I always have said, Dan Rather reminds me of the captain on the Caine Mutiny, when he finally looses it at the end of the movie. Charles must have stole Rather's strawberries.

Or Captain Ahab.

61 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:06:49am

re: #54 Dianna

Is it your "word of the day"?

Something made me think of it today while I was driving (I think I called another driver a weeping carbu . . . oh you get it) and I though I would try to slip it into polite conversation. Dan Rather, boils, and asses seemed appropriate.

62 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:07:15am

re: #52 Dave the...

I always have said, Dan Rather reminds me of the captain on the Caine Mutiny, when he finally looses it at the end of the movie. Charles must have stole Rather's strawberries.

"old yellow stain" I believe the crew called him.

63 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:07:15am

Good morning, Lizard world. I've been trying for over 2 hours to get in...lots of wheels just a' spinnin' round. Finally I'm in. Meanwhile, I've enjoy Hannukah music.

64 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:07:22am
65 dhg4  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:07:27am

What did you expect? He's got millions riding on this, plus his reputation for posterity. Look Cronkite lied about Tet, but he's still fondly remembered as the "most trusted man in America." No one challenged Cronkite.

His successor has the burden of having his reputation destroyed by rank amateurs. No way he can live that down easily.

Newsfolks are very protective of their unique skill to determine what's really news. Did you read Leonard Downie's Could we undercover Watergate today?

There's not a word in the article about Rathergate, fauxtography, al-Dura or any other blog dominated scandal (except for Josh Marshall's U.S. Attorney firing "scandal") and lots of self-congratulations to the MSM (especially Washington Post). Instapundit was right that the question is "would" not "could."

But the MSM isn't interested in ceding its perceived high ground to any other media. I'm sure that's at least part of what's driving Rather. (IOW, if he'd been unmasked by the National Review, for example, he might not be as adamant in claiming vindication.)

66 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:07:44am

OT - No surprise here, but if you are looking for confirmation on where the next round of bailouts will go, the evidence is mounting...California will be broke in 70 days

67 gymnast  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:08:05am

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

If Rather works really, really hard, he might get Bush out of office. Maybe even soon.

Regardless of reality, Rather will claim credit and vindication. NPR will do a feature on it, and thus it will be written, and thus by left wing shitbirds of all hues of plumage, it will be said.

68 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:08:15am

re: #49 nevergiveup

This is really no different than the democrats rewriting the sub prime mortgage mess?

They didn't have to rewrite. Sadly, no comprehensible explanation (one that Joe Six-pack understands) has been been offered up.

69 godfrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:08:20am

The throbbing memo left a permanently stinging mark.

70 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:08:27am

Dan Rather is crazier than a Texas bullfrog hopping across a hot Texas highway while tripping on Texas 'shrooms in the Texas sun...in Texas.

/We get it Dan. You're from Texas, too.

71 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:08:29am

Gaaah!

My EYES...

It THROBS!

72 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:09:01am

Charles,

You're going to be old and gray and still needing to pull out the throbbing memo on a regular basis because the media will still claim that the memos were somehow not fraudulent.

Heck, you'll be dead and buried and the media will still try to make the claim that Rather didn't lie and that the memos were fake but accurate or that they were somehow authentic.

Problem is that they were authentic forgeries. All they show is that someone who created them on Microsoft Word was an asshat of the first order and no one at CBS bothered to authenticate them as to being from the era of Bush's service in the TANG.

73 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:09:08am

re: #48 Dianna

Rather, yes.

But what of NPR?

They're just doing what they & their ilk do- propagating distortions.

74 Pyrocles  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:09:17am

OR, have you ever listened to NPR's "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!" on Sunday mornings? They've joked many times with their media guests about their "supposed" liberal bias. NPR and the media in general don't see their own liberal bias; they're too close. And they'll laugh at anyone who suggests it's there.

re: #10 Occasional Reader

And let me just reiterate the two most hilarious lines in the piece:

75 pat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:09:21am

What a bunch of delusional nonsense. It relies upon the public's ignorance as to what the IBM Selectric could and could not do. What is worse, it ignores the fact that the IBM Selectric and all of its fonts are still commonly used and therefore this theory of a identical font, proportional spacing (which did not exist except in a very primitive way that changed the font a bit), etc. could be freely tested. And was, much to the chagrin of Rather.

76 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:09:48am

Never
Proven
Relevant

77 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:09:59am

Most Americans would have forgotten about the entire affair by now except that Rather keeps bringing it up every few months. By trying to convince everyone of an obivious untruth he's only succeeding in proving himself to be a fruitcake.

78 saberry0530  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:10:15am

re: #66 DeafDog

OT - No surprise here, but if you are looking for confirmation on where the next round of bailouts will go, the evidence is mounting...California will be broke in 70 days


COOL< Maybe I can get a bargain at the clearance sale!

79 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:10:21am

re: #70 Ben Hur

String Cheese fan?

80 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:10:49am

re: #66 DeafDog

OT - No surprise here, but if you are looking for confirmation on where the next round of bailouts will go, the evidence is mounting...California will be broke in 70 days

New Jersey is in a similar boat - and Corzine is warning of cuts. I wont hold my breath on job cuts or spending cuts. The budget will probably still end up bigger than last year.

Oh, and NJ and NY have the highest property tax burdens in the nation. Don't forget that when deciding where to live.

81 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:11:08am

re: #66 DeafDog

OT - No surprise here, but if you are looking for confirmation on where the next round of bailouts will go, the evidence is mounting...California will be broke in 70 days


California has a Republican governor (Ahhnohld), and a clear Democratic majority in both state houses. The Dems love to spend spend spend. There needs to be some kind of 12-step program for these shopaholic/politicians.

82 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:11:09am

re: #66 DeafDog

OT - No surprise here, but if you are looking for confirmation on where the next round of bailouts will go, the evidence is mounting...California will be broke in 70 days

California deserves it.

Damned fools keep reelecting the same idiots, and here we are.

83 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:11:41am

re: #78 saberry0530

Hey, I was thinking of putting an offer in on GM. $1.

Might get more value for the entire state of CA, but all I want is Napa, Sonoma, and a nice view of Yosemite and Death Valley. /

84 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:11:42am

re: #70 Ben Hur

Dan Rather is crazier than a Texas bullfrog hopping across a hot Texas highway while tripping on Texas 'shrooms in the Texas sun...in Texas.

/We get it Dan. You're from Texas, too.

I gave you TWO updings for that.

Well, I tried to.

85 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:11:58am

I think I've mentioned it before but, the Rathergate scandal was one of the issues that started moving my mother along the road to abandoning the Democrats. She already liked Pres. Bush and this attempt to lie about him hacked her off. I cannot recall if she already had stopped watching CBS altogether but, I know she was a fan of FNC.

So, thank you, Charles, for helping rescue my mother from the Democrats.

86 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:12:07am

I love a throbbing memo at Yuletide!

And fuck NPR.

87 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:12:28am

re: #66 DeafDog

OT - No surprise here, but if you are looking for confirmation on where the next round of bailouts will go, the evidence is mounting...California will be broke in 70 days

Crazy ideas, quit shelling out human services to illegals, try implementing programs which actually encourage businesses to come in rather than drive them out like lepers and fucking DRILL THE FUCKING OIL THATS RIGHT OFFSHORE!

/pissed in San Diego

88 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:13:02am

re: #80 lawhawk

New Jersey is in a similar boat - and Corzine is warning of cuts. I wont hold my breath on job cuts or spending cuts. The budget will probably still end up bigger than last year.

Oh, and NJ and NY have the highest property tax burdens in the nation. Don't forget that when deciding where to live.

To late!

89 godfrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:13:27am

New
PPravda
Ratbastards

90 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:13:41am

One outlet of the FMSM defending another outlet. I am not surprised the propagandists want to rewrite history to whitewash their dirty tricks.

91 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:13:43am

re: #74 Pyrocles

OR, have you ever listened to NPR's "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!" on Sunday mornings?

Yep. One thing I noted; in that quiz portion, when they have a liberal guest, they give him/her a softball news quiz. When they recently had CIA Director Hayden, they gave him a quiz about, literally, 90 year old breakfast cereal advertising slogans. He got them all wrong (of course), and they ridiculed him. Fair and balanced!

Gotta go for now.

92 Silvergirl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:13:50am

re: #77 Ringo the Gringo

Most Americans would have forgotten about the entire affair by now except that Rather keeps bringing it up every few months. By trying to convince everyone of an obivious untruth he's only succeeding in proving himself to be a fruitcake.

Hey, those of us trash-talking fruitcakes in a thread from last night, never trashed them that low.

93 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:14:00am
It’s disgusting to watch these people try to lie their way back into respectability.

yep. and OJ is still looking for the real killer.

the most sickening part is that NPR is pushing it. Not surprising, though. National Propaganda Radio.

94 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:14:12am

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Crazy ideas, quit shelling out human services to illegals, try implementing programs which actually encourage businesses to come in rather than drive them out like lepers and fucking DRILL THE FUCKING OIL THATS RIGHT OFFSHORE!

/pissed in San Diego

I updinged you, and I couldn't agree more!

/really irate in San Jose.

95 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:14:24am

I love the sight of a throbbing memo in the morning...
I looks like the death of the MSM.


Snow pics from Casa JCM

96 shane  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:14:34am

I would like him to show it in court, then show it was false. Have the experts testify, then show him as rather stupid.

97 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:14:37am

re: #78 saberry0530

re: #80 lawhawk

re: #81 Golem Akbar

Right. The next round of bailouts will be to states (mostly blue ones) that have blown their budget. It will be, more or less, a direct wealth transfer from the red states to the blue state. Pretty funny if you think about it.

98 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:14:51am

re: #66 DeafDog

OT - No surprise here, but if you are looking for confirmation on where the next round of bailouts will go, the evidence is mounting...California will be broke in 70 days

Will the state government stop spending? Anxiously waiting...

99 saberry0530  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:15:03am

re: #83 lawhawk

Hey, I was thinking of putting an offer in on GM. $1.

Might get more value for the entire state of CA, but all I want is Napa, Sonoma, and a nice view of Yosemite and Death Valley. /

Was thinking of putting in a bid on the Highway to/from Vegas. SET ME UP A TOLL ROAD. ANd also put in a bid on Big Bear. Always liked hiking that part of the state back in the late 70'S.

100 simonml  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:15:12am

re: #89 godfrey

New
PPravda
Ratbastards

'Nother
Punk
Ratherlover

101 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:15:49am

re: #98 debutaunt

That's like asking if a junkie can cold turkey quit.

102 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:16:02am

re: #32 DistantThunder

From last thread:

In the meantime, my sister in law is reading the Audacity of Hope and the New York Times downstairs in my kitchen. She and Mr DT already had one major blow up about it. She said Bill Ayers was a "prankster" not a terrorist. Mr DT hit the roof.

Buy her Liberal Fascism for Chirstmas. Then wait for fireworks.

103 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:16:10am

re: #81 Golem Akbar

California has a Republican governor (Ahhnohld), and a clear Democratic majority in both state houses. The Dems love to spend spend spend. There needs to be some kind of 12-step program for these shopaholic/politicians.

CA to raise taxes utilizing loophole in law that requires a 2/3 majority vote.
I ask meself - How does any dem ever win an election.

104 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:16:11am

National Progressive Radio uses public funds to resurface a blatant attempt at fraud & character assaination. Yet you hear that we need the "Fairness Doctrine" to curb the evil right wing talk radio hosts.

105 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:16:20am

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Crazy ideas, quit shelling out human services to illegals, try implementing programs which actually encourage businesses to come in rather than drive them out like lepers and fucking DRILL THE FUCKING OIL THATS RIGHT OFFSHORE!

/pissed in San Diego

Ain't gonna happen with the Governator and Our Messiah-King in office.

106 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:16:41am

re: #95 jcm

I love the sight of a throbbing memo in the morning...
I looks like the death of the MSM.


Snow pics from Casa JCM

Are those your wee ones? (awww) They better pick of a snow shovel and get busy! ;-)

107 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:16:54am

Just great!
Calif goin to get a big tax hike!
Utah is the fastest growing pop.. now!
Guess where they all come from?
All I can say is SHIT!

108 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:17:40am

re: #93 FrogMarch

yep. and OJ is still looking for the real killer.

the most sickening part is that NPR is pushing it. Not surprising, though. National Propaganda Radio.


I'm actually glad NPR is keeping this issue alive. It may be time to remind them how they didn't report the facts, and that Dan Rather lied (and NPR cried!).

109 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:17:47am

re: #103 unrealizedviewpoint

CA to raise taxes utilizing loophole in law that requires a 2/3 majority vote.
I ask meself - How does any dem ever win an election.


because republicans are racist white guys who don't care about the environmnet, human rights, or the right to privacy...look it up!

/

110 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:18:12am

News this morning the female anchors were having a Obasim.

111 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:18:16am

Seattle refuses to use salt; roads "snow packed" by design

The icy streets are the result of Seattle's refusal to use salt, an effective ice-buster used by the state Department of Transportation and cities accustomed to dealing with heavy winter snows.

"If we were using salt, you'd see patches of bare road because salt is very effective," Wiggins said. "We decided not to utilize salt because it's not a healthy addition to Puget Sound."

/moonbat priorities, environment trumps human lives

112 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:18:25am

re: #99 saberry0530

Big Bear is nothing like it was in the 70's...
Sorry to say!

113 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:18:30am

"The truth was erased, the erasure forgotten, the lie became truth."

~George Orwell, 1984.

114 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:18:32am

re: #106 FrogMarch

Are those your wee ones? (awww) They better pick of a snow shovel and get busy! ;-)

That's the two youngest.

115 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:18:48am

re: #89 godfrey

New
Pravda
Ratbastards

Nothing but
Progressive
Rubbish

116 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:18:49am

re: #82 Dianna

California deserves it.

Damned fools keep reelecting the same idiots, and here we are.

Fools re-electing the same idiots ain't just confined to the Golden State, but it does seem to be a major way of politics there, the adequate or successful never seem to enjoy more than one term.

117 saberry0530  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:19:19am

WOOO HOOO Louisiana is #1! Only state in the US of A to LOSE population since 2000! -1.3% growth.

118 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:19:20am

re: #94 Dianna

I updinged you, and I couldn't agree more!

/really irate in San Jose.

Honked off in the Santa Cruz mountains.

119 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:19:36am

re: #82 Dianna

California deserves it.

Damned fools keep reelecting the same idiots, and here we are.

We should blame gerrymandering which is the corrupt tool the idiots control which assures their continued re-election.

120 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:19:51am
121 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:19:51am

re: #107 reloadingisnotahobby

When your tax base is fleeing in droves its best to tax the crap out of those that stay.

More are moving out of California than in

122 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:20:01am

re: #107 reloadingisnotahobby

Just great!
Calif goin to get a big tax hike!
Utah is the fastest growing pop.. now!
Guess where they all come from?
All I can say is SHIT!

Utah is just experiencing what WA State experienced during the 70's, we all got Californicated and are still suffering the consequences.

123 saberry0530  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:20:09am

re: #112 reloadingisnotahobby

Big Bear is nothing like it was in the 70's...
Sorry to say!


Thats gotta suck.

124 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:20:12am

re: #37 MandyManners

The mere fact that they wrote that shows that they know they're full of shit. Or, maybe they are just that ignorant.

They're far from ignorant. This is quite deliberate.

125 simonml  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:20:54am

re: #117 saberry0530

WOOO HOOO Louisiana is #1! Only state in the US of A to LOSE population since 2000! -1.3% growth.

That's where most of Texas' growth prob came from. Just saying. I think they're mostly in Houston, but up in Big D we have our share.

126 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:21:11am

re: #99 saberry0530

Was thinking of putting in a bid on the Highway to/from Vegas. SET ME UP A TOLL ROAD. ANd also put in a bid on Big Bear. Always liked hiking that part of the state back in the late 70'S.

Charge a lot to go into Vegas. Give "lucky tokens" in return.
Then let losers out of Vegas cheap; they're broke.

Reminds me of an old joke:
I went to Vegas in a $20,000 car.
I left in a $250,000 ... bus.

127 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:21:27am

re: #111 Killian Bundy

Seattle refuses to use salt; roads "snow packed" by design

/moonbat priorities, environment trumps human lives

Earth to Seattle, Earth to Seattle, if you're gonna use sand, you need to use enough of it. If the temps are near freezing, a salt (yes, salt)/sand mixture works wonders.

128 Silvergirl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:21:41am

re: #110 jcm

News this morning the female anchors were having a Obasim.

Oh for the old days when Bill Clinton would jog into McDonald's with his way too short shorts hitting about mid beefy thigh and we'd all go "Ewww!"

129 simonml  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:21:50am

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

She voted for Obama. She was told that's all she had to do

130 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:21:52am

re: #6 Occasional Reader
And we salute you for listening to that trash NPR on our behalf!

131 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:22:24am

re: #111 Killian Bundy

Seattle refuses to use salt; roads "snow packed" by design

/moonbat priorities, environment trumps human lives

I guess gasoline and diesel spilled in crashes is OK.

132 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:22:37am

re: #48 Dianna

Rather, yes.

But what of NPR?

See my comment #124.

133 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:22:49am

re: #113 SlartyBartfast

"The truth was erased, the erasure forgotten, the lie became truth."

~George Orwell, 1984.

Yet the Left and the FMSM constantly accuse Republicans and Conservatives of being the Masters of the Big Lie. The Left learned the tactics of the propagandist very well; Josef Goebbels would be green with envy of the distortions being spouted now.

134 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:22:54am

this lying by the left has reached epidemic proportions.
it is a disease. not just a syndrome. it is an out and out serious mental disorder.
they remind me of spoiled children who have never been taught right from wrong.
it seems, that as truth on the internet grows stronger, these assholes grow crazier. blatantly trying to rewrite history.
they have lost their monopoly and power of manipulation.
they are useless and have no idea what to do abt. it,
except cry and flail, as they think abt. a distant time when their opinions seemed to matter.
rather will be a footnote in history abt. deceit and stupidity.

135 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:23:07am

re: #124 Son of the Black Dog

They're far from ignorant. This is quite deliberate.

That's scarier.

136 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:23:09am

Curious, isn't it, that none of these articles trying to rehabilitate Rather ever mention the actual bloggers who exposed the fraud by name?

None of the writers ever contact me, and none of the articles ever include the animated GIF that demonstrates the fraud conclusively.

My theory is that it's because if they tell people where to find the debunkers and their proof, the pathetic tissue of lies they're constructing would fall apart -- because people could get on the Internet and see it for themselves.

137 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:23:12am

re: #111 Killian Bundy

BTW, I love that line:

"We decided not to utilize salt because it's not a healthy addition to Puget Sound."

Puget Sound is fricking salt water, you twits. Adding salt will do little to its quality, and sure as hell won't affect drinkability.

138 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:23:16am

the traitor john f'in kerry and blather on npr.

but we got a memo that throbs keeping the traitor out of the White House.

like that.

/wishing tfk was here

139 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:23:21am

re: #49 nevergiveup

This is really no different than the democrats rewriting the sub prime mortgage mess?

Amen!

140 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:23:54am

re: #127 Honorary Yooper

"We never use sand," said Ann Williams, spokeswoman for Denver's Department of Public Works. "Sand causes dust, and there's also water-quality issues where it goes into streets and into our rivers."

Instead, it sprays an "anti-icing" agent on dry roads before the snow falls and then a combination of chemicals to melt the ice.

"anti icing agent" and a mix of chemicals, sound infinately more GREEN, and less destructive to the environment than SAND AND SALT.

141 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:24:01am

re: #121 bulwrk

When your tax base is fleeing in droves its best to tax the crap out of those that stay.

More are moving out of California than in

Hmmm...as a Texas resident, this is troubling. No offense intended to the California Lizards and the Lizard-in-Chief, but we don't need an influx of folks who are going to turn us socialistic. I want to institute a draft so we can pick which Californians are allowed in...lizards to the front of the line, if you want.

142 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:24:16am

re: #136 Charles

And they'd come here, and their eyes would be opened. The spells of the 0bamanation and liberalism would be broken.
And they'd stop listening to NPR and buying the MSM. Can't have that.

143 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:24:26am

not only is altering history (especially on this scale) unethical but it is also immoral...it is a slam on our society and even worse it lies to our children...it is beyond even criminal...imo
the media is my dire enemy...

144 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:24:45am

re: #130 realwest

And we salute you for listening to that trash NPR on our behalf!

Real, Morning.

Killian had this after you signed off last night.
Text to speech built into windows.

145 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:24:54am

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're discussing NPR, I have to mention that I heard a real sob-story there this morning, about a young woman (mid-30s) who is losing her house to foreclosure because of "the mortgage crisis." She and her aged father, suffering from Alzheimer's, and her four children (no husband/partner/sig other mentioned) may well be out on the street.

OK, here's the kicker: she bought the house, with no down payment, for something over $500,000 two years ago, at the top of the market. The house, we are told, is "worth much less today."

This woman makes $22,000 a year. She and her kids were formerly living together in one room of someone else's apartment.

Where does someone making $22,000 a year get off thinking they can buy a half-million dollar house with monthly mortgage payments of $3000? She "managed to make the payments with her mother's help" for a while (interestingly, it was not clear whether or not the mother lived with her)--but how the hell did she expect to keep this up for half a million?

She just needs a loan modification.
/

146 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:03am

re: #117 saberry0530

WOOO HOOO Louisiana is #1! Only state in the US of A to LOSE population since 2000! -1.3% growth.

Really? I thought for sure Michigan or New Jersey would have that honor.

147 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:23am

re: #131 Kosh's Shadow

I guess gasoline and diesel spilled in crashes is OK.

It's a conspiracy with BIG INSURANCE REPAIR!

148 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:25am

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're discussing NPR, I have to mention that I heard a real sob-story there this morning, about a young woman (mid-30s) who is losing her house to foreclosure because of "the mortgage crisis." She and her aged father, suffering from Alzheimer's, and her four children (no husband/partner/sig other mentioned) may well be out on the street.

OK, here's the kicker: she bought the house, with no down payment, for something over $500,000 two years ago, at the top of the market. The house, we are told, is "worth much less today."

This woman makes $22,000 a year. She and her kids were formerly living together in one room of someone else's apartment.

Where does someone making $22,000 a year get off thinking they can buy a half-million dollar house with monthly mortgage payments of $3000? She "managed to make the payments with her mother's help" for a while (interestingly, it was not clear whether or not the mother lived with her)--but how the hell did she expect to keep this up for half a million?


HUD admits that at least five million of the toxic sub prime loans were to illegal aliens. If that's what they will admit to, you have to figure that it was more.
These are people wotking for less than minimum wage & sending remmitances back home, what could go wrong?
Now because of of government misconduct & corporate greed you must bail them out & screw up your own kids future & nobody goes to jail.

149 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:26am

re: #140 Ben Hur

"anti icing agent" and a mix of chemicals, sound infinately more GREEN, and less destructive to the environment than SAND AND SALT.

Actually, there is some anti-icing agent that is relatively benign; it is made from byproducts of beer brewing.

150 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:33am

re: #127 Honorary Yooper

Earth to Seattle, Earth to Seattle, if you're gonna use sand, you need to use enough of it. If the temps are near freezing, a salt (yes, salt)/sand mixture works wonders.

Greg Nickels, the mayor of the Socialist Republic of Seattle, thinks he can repeal the laws of physics, nature, and economics to achieve that communist Utopia.

151 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:35am

As I've said before, as recently on the prior (Dead) thread, what Charles did was to PREVENT CBS, Dan Rather and Mary Mapes from throwing the Presidential election to John Effin' Kerry with a made up story and knowingly false documents.

That is a HUGE accomplishment Charles and I thank you for doing it.
Though it does make one wonder how often the damned MSM have in fact helped THROW elections for President of the United States and haven't been caught or exposed.
GOOD ON YOU CHARLES!

152 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:44am

re: #136 Charles

Curious, isn't it, that none of these articles trying to rehabilitate Rather ever mention the actual bloggers who exposed the fraud by name?

None of the writers ever contact me, and none of the articles ever include the animated GIF that demonstrates the fraud conclusively.

My theory is that it's because if they tell people where to find the debunkers and their proof, the pathetic tissue of lies they're constructing would fall apart -- because people could get on the Internet and see it for themselves.

Let's hope curious people Google this issue.

153 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:44am

re: #136 Charles

Curious, isn't it, that none of these articles trying to rehabilitate Rather ever mention the actual bloggers who exposed the fraud by name?

None of the writers ever contact me, and none of the articles ever include the animated GIF that demonstrates the fraud conclusively.

My theory is that it's because if they tell people where to find the debunkers and their proof, the pathetic tissue of lies they're constructing would fall apart -- because people could get on the Internet and see it for themselves.


I'm surprised they want to relive the embarrassment and humiliation of showing how Rather lied and his media buddies tried to cover for him. But, so be it...

154 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:25:59am

re: #141 DeafDog

That's the reason why Nevada is getting so screwed up.

155 Pyrocles  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:26:14am

I knew some moonbat city start this sooner or later. Without salted roads, we'd be screwed here in Buffalo. Eventually Lake Erie's (remaining) life will surely be deemed more important than the people's ability to freely traverse the roads.

"If citizens want to move about the region, they should use public transport." - some future Liberal politician

re: #111 Killian Bundy

Seattle refuses to use salt; roads "snow packed" by design

/moonbat priorities, environment trumps human lives

156 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:26:22am

re: #149 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, there is some anti-icing agent that is relatively benign; it is made from byproducts of beer brewing.

Are those the trucks with the long line of pickups flying the Confederate flag behind them?
//

157 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:26:27am

re: #32 DistantThunder

From last thread:

In the meantime, my sister in law is reading the Audacity of Hope and the New York Times downstairs in my kitchen. She and Mr DT already had one major blow up about it. She said Bill Ayers was a "prankster" not a terrorist. Mr DT hit the roof.

ask her abt. those 3 people who blew themselves up in greenwich village.
one of whom was ayer's girlfriend. i wonder if they would think the s.o.b is a 'prankster'?

158 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:26:43am

re: #138 Sharmuta

the traitor john f'in kerry and blather on npr.

but we got a memo that throbs keeping the traitor out of the White House.

like that.

/wishing tfk was here

You're channeling him.

159 simonml  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:27:08am

re: #140 Ben Hur

"anti icing agent" and a mix of chemicals, sound infinately more GREEN, and less destructive to the environment than SAND AND SALT.

Its actually probably a sugar substance since sugar works about half as well as salt in melting ice. Or maybe I'm way off. I don't know. Sometimes trying to get inside a moonbat's mind is like trying to sit down on the ceiling

160 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:27:19am
161 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:27:22am

re: #149 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, there is some anti-icing agent that is relatively benign; it is made from byproducts of beer brewing.


That's true. After drinking a lot of beer, I usually flush those byproducts down the toilet, but hell, I could just as soon pee in the roadway, if they that's what they want...

162 godfrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:27:24am

NPR doesn't want to acknowledge anyone by name who hasn't demonstrated proper Stalinist credentials or utility.

163 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:27:27am

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

That story demonstrates a level of stupidity I cannot imagine being compatible with life.

164 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:27:43am

re: #149 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, there is some anti-icing agent that is relatively benign; it is made from byproducts of beer brewing.

I'm sure it and a mix of chemicals is not as benign as sand and salt.

165 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:27:59am

re: #119 experiencedtraveller

We should blame gerrymandering which is the corrupt tool the idiots control which assures their continued re-election.

I know. It's a tragedy.

166 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:27:59am
"poring over decades-old typefaces and fonts"

That's freak'in hilarious.. I just downloaded the memo PDFs from CBS, opened word with all the defaults, and started typing as Charles suggested. Instantly knew they were forged.

Seems to me it was Dan's defenders "poring over decades-old typefaces and fonts" to try and find something to match modern day Microsoft word.

167 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:28:10am

re: #2 Sharmuta

I think he's lost his mind.

It's not lost. Kenneth has it.

168 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:28:20am

OK, F*CK the anti icing agent and concentrate on the MIX OF CHEMICALS.

169 Silvergirl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:28:22am

re: #136 Charles

Curious, isn't it, that none of these articles trying to rehabilitate Rather ever mention the actual bloggers who exposed the fraud by name?

None of the writers ever contact me, and none of the articles ever include the animated GIF that demonstrates the fraud conclusively.

My theory is that it's because if they tell people where to find the debunkers and their proof, the pathetic tissue of lies they're constructing would fall apart -- because people could get on the Internet and see it for themselves.

It's because naming you makes you human, and you're too easy to dismiss as a Conservative blogger who has no life other than poring over decades-old typefaces and fonts so you can slam CBS and Rather.

No way are they going to include anything that demonstrates the fraud conclusively. That's the way it is.

170 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:28:40am

re: #154 bulwrk

Nevada is not doin well either ...but Calif? Goin down the drain!
I hope all the Cali Lizards have the fortitude to make it!

171 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:28:59am

re: #136 Charles
Absolutely correct Charles - why if folks could see how the bloggers beat the you-know-what out of CBS and Dan Rather, they might *gasp* look to those blogs (primarily LGF) for news analysis as well as news.

172 saberry0530  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #146 doppelganglander

Really? I thought for sure Michigan or New Jersey would have that honor.

LINKY

173 Silvergirl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:30:16am

re: #166 Yankee Division Son

That's freak'in hilarious.. I just downloaded the memo PDFs from CBS, opened word with all the defaults, and started typing as Charles suggested. Instantly knew they were forged.

Seems to me it was Dan's defenders "poring over decades-old typefaces and fonts" to try and find something to match modern day Microsoft word.

You got it!

174 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:30:18am

re: #92 Silvergirl

Hey, those of us trash-talking fruitcakes in a thread from last night, never trashed them that low.

Even as someone that might be considered a leftie on here, I have only one thing to say about Rather on this issue. He's a fruitcake, and a bad one at that. Both sides have a few, but they need to be called out.
As to NPR, the only good thing they've done for me was a unbiased interview with me about Studebakers a few years back.

Studebaker interiew

175 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:30:26am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Another example of how adjectives which are intended to strengthen or amplify actually reveal the lie they are trying to conceal.

"People's Democratic Republics" are not democratic, not republics.

"Social justice" is not justice, but a perversion of justice to achieve social objectives.

"Human rights" is a term meant to cover up suppressions of liberty, whether by governments or by ideologues.

And our new kid on the block, "non-ideological wire-service AP?" Well, if you have to stress that AP is "non-ideological," you're already backing and filling to cover the fact (oft revealed on this site, among other places) that it is very ideologically-driven indeed.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

176 gman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:30:53am

re: #136 Charles

Curious, isn't it, that none of these articles trying to rehabilitate Rather ever mention the actual bloggers who exposed the fraud by name?

None of the writers ever contact me, and none of the articles ever include the animated GIF that demonstrates the fraud conclusively.

My theory is that it's because if they tell people where to find the debunkers and their proof, the pathetic tissue of lies they're constructing would fall apart -- because people could get on the Internet and see it for themselves.

Charles, your animated GIF is currently posted on wikipedia under the entry
"Killian documents authenticity issues".

177 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:31:05am

ok Dan, let's play your game

so has 0bama denied being born in Kenya ?

gee, then I guess we're to believe the troofers who think he really was born there since he won't deny it

let's ask CBS to do a piece on "that" shall we ?

and while we're at it
let's ask John Kerry again if Nixon was President in 1968 when he supposedly ordered him to take CIA operatives into Cambodia

since Nixon never disputed this claim, it must be true
and since 60 Minutes never proved Nixon was NOT POTUS in 1968 then again, it's double true

178 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:31:10am

re: #154 bulwrk

That's the reason why Nevada is getting so screwed up.

Harry Reid has been in elected office how long?

Started small in 1967.
I'd concede that movement from California is a reason, but not the reason.

179 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:32:00am

re: #137 Honorary Yooper

BTW, I love that line:

Puget Sound is fricking salt water, you twits. Adding salt will do little to its quality, and sure as hell won't affect drinkability.

The decline in quality can be attributed to Starbucks, in part or in whole, what with all their mobile carts and coffee spillage going into the Seattle drain system emptying into the Sound. Researchers in the past had used minute amounts of caffeine to study flow patterns, but now they find that levels are at near toxic levels that fish and other wildlife are dying off just so people can suck on their lattes without traveling too far to get 'em.

/ I really hate the yuppie obsession with being green and drinking coffee that contradict each other.

180 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:32:09am

re: #159 simonml

Its actually probably a sugar substance since sugar works about half as well as salt in melting ice. Or maybe I'm way off. I don't know. Sometimes trying to get inside a moonbat's mind is like trying to sit down on the ceiling

There are deicing agents that do work well, but no anti-icing agent (salt included) will work well below 10F. IIRC, it isn't that cold in Seattle, so salt should work well if enough is applied. Plowing the streets kinda helps too.

181 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:32:26am
The reason why they leave out this important information is simple: if they tell people where to find the debunkers and their proof, the pathetic tissue of lies they’re constructing would fall apart — because people could go on the Internet and see the truth with their own eyes.

The other reason is that they are loosing traffic to the internet. Within the next two years the internet as a source for news will overtake Network news in market share. Also note that NPR has already been passed by the internet.

182 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:33:02am

re: #151 realwest

As I've said before, as recently on the prior (Dead) thread, what Charles did was to PREVENT CBS, Dan Rather and Mary Mapes from throwing the Presidential election to John Effin' Kerry with a made up story and knowingly false documents.

That is a HUGE accomplishment Charles and I thank you for doing it.
Though it does make one wonder how often the damned MSM have in fact helped THROW elections for President of the United States and haven't been caught or exposed.
GOOD ON YOU CHARLES!

I think we have one good example from the last election.

183 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:33:36am

re: #157 nyc redneck

ask her abt. those 3 people who blew themselves up in greenwich village.
one of whom was ayer's girlfriend. i wonder if they would think the s.o.b is a 'prankster'?

Any edgy prank gone awry.

184 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:34:24am
“Nobody has ever proven the documents to be anything but what they purported to be,” Rather says. “What the documents stated has never been denied — by the president or anyone around him.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Fake but accurate.

It must really grind on his ego to have been humiliated like this. The Kind of the Newsroom reduced to Court Jester by bloggers who are grounded in sanity and facts.

What a freaking putz.

185 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:34:25am

re: #144 jcm
Hey thanks jcm - it's a tad different on VISTA SP1 but it's there under accessories, ease of access, narrator!

186 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:34:40am

re: #172 saberry0530

LINKY

Okay. The summary paragraph is only talking about 2007-2008, when Michigan and Rhode Island were the only states to lose population. The 58K loss in Louisiana seems consistent with outmigration after Katrina. Louisiana's loss is Texas's gain, if you can call it that.

187 simonml  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:35:10am

re: #180 Honorary Yooper

There are deicing agents that do work well, but no anti-icing agent (salt included) will work well below 10F. IIRC, it isn't that cold in Seattle, so salt should work well if enough is applied. Plowing the streets kinda helps too.

Maybe their "green snow plow" broke down.

Or maybe there isn't an electric/hybrid deuce and a half yet

188 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:35:11am

re: #181 Thanos

The other reason is that they are loosing traffic to the internet. Within the next two years the internet as a source for news will overtake Network news in market share. Also note that NPR has already been passed by the internet.

It always amused me greatly that public funded media was intended to provide an alternate viewpoint from the commercial outlets and yet never deviated from the collective.

189 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:35:28am

PIMF
"Kind" should be "King"

Gahhh..

190 pat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:35:36am

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're discussing NPR, I have to mention that I heard a real sob-story there this morning, about a young woman (mid-30s) who is losing her house to foreclosure because of "the mortgage crisis." She and her aged father, suffering from Alzheimer's, and her four children (no husband/partner/sig other mentioned) may well be out on the street.

OK, here's the kicker: she bought the house, with no down payment, for something over $500,000 two years ago, at the top of the market. The house, we are told, is "worth much less today."

This woman makes $22,000 a year. She and her kids were formerly living together in one room of someone else's apartment.

Where does someone making $22,000 a year get off thinking they can buy a half-million dollar house with monthly mortgage payments of $3000? She "managed to make the payments with her mother's help" for a while (interestingly, it was not clear whether or not the mother lived with her)--but how the hell did she expect to keep this up for half a million?

I saw her on TV, she has not been paying her mortgage for months. The neighborhood is terrible, and the house worth 20% of what she paid for it. She was supposed to refinance but cannot because of valuation of equity. It is a sad story because I believe this woman was sold a dream and it is falling apart.

191 dhg4  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:36:15am

re: #136 Charles

Curious, isn't it, that none of these articles trying to rehabilitate Rather ever mention the actual bloggers who exposed the fraud by name?

None of the writers ever contact me, and none of the articles ever include the animated GIF that demonstrates the fraud conclusively.

My theory is that it's because if they tell people where to find the debunkers and their proof, the pathetic tissue of lies they're constructing would fall apart -- because people could get on the Internet and see it for themselves.

Not to be rude, Marvin Kalb deserves some credit on this count. Granted it was Fauxtography not Rathergate that he was writing about and this is the exception that proves the rule.

BTW, here's a cute post that I just accidentally found that confirms your point that the MSM view themselves as the sole guardians of the truth.

192 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:36:18am

re: #182 FurryOldGuyJeans
One? Which one are YOU talking about?!

193 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:37:05am

I think that we may be missing the point about the NG Rathergate memo.
There are different truths. The memo may not be literally true as it were, but so what? This is Rather's truth & Mary Mapes truth, NPR's truth and a whole host of guys living in their mothers basement.
See even fake , but accurate is an aspersion. It is just alternate truth.
Now lets get out our Obama decoder rings & get today's message.

194 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:37:17am

re: #138 Sharmuta
You're channeling him quite well Sharm! Thanks.

195 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:37:35am

re: #110 jcm

News this morning the female anchors were having a Obasim.

Our crass society has hit bottom.
i'm not offended by a shirtless man. But this is the president. Oh wait - this is our new "Entertainment tonight - Inside Hollywood" glamour Messiah dood.

196 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:37:39am

re: #186 doppelganglander

Okay. The summary paragraph is only talking about 2007-2008, when Michigan and Rhode Island were the only states to lose population. The 58K loss in Louisiana seems consistent with outmigration after Katrina. Louisiana's loss is Texas's gain, if you can call it that.

Also, North Dakota lost a whopping 714 residents. That hurts when you've only got 640K to begin with.

197 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:37:49am

re: #75 pat

What a bunch of delusional nonsense. It relies upon the public's ignorance as to what the IBM Selectric could and could not do. What is worse, it ignores the fact that the IBM Selectric and all of its fonts are still commonly used and therefore this theory of a identical font, proportional spacing (which did not exist except in a very primitive way that changed the font a bit), etc. could be freely tested. And was, much to the chagrin of Rather.

Admittedly I was Army, not Air Force, but every orderly room or other office I was in during my time in the service (same period) had anything other than the equivalent of an antique black Underwood typewriter with individual hammers for each letter. I was several years out of the service before I even saw an IBM Selectric, much less use one. And it was in a very upscale office, the secretary for a Sr. VP of a company where I was having an interview. In the mid-1970's a Selectric was still a "luxury" or "high status" typewriter.

198 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:37:53am

re: #177 Adrenalyn

ok Dan, let's play your game

so has 0bama denied being born in Kenya ?

gee, then I guess we're to believe the troofers who think he really was born there since he won't deny it

let's ask CBS to do a piece on "that" shall we ?

and while we're at it
let's ask John Kerry again if Nixon was President in 1968 when he supposedly ordered him to take CIA operatives into Cambodia

since Nixon never disputed this claim, it must be true
and since 60 Minutes never proved Nixon was NOT POTUS in 1968 then again, it's double true

Give me a few minutes... I came up with Obama's Kenyan Nirth Certifikat using MS Word...

199 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:38:32am

Rush is talking about Seattle not using salt on snow/ice.

200 Silvergirl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:38:38am

re: #174 avanti

Even as someone that might be considered a leftie on here, I have only one thing to say about Rather on this issue. He's a fruitcake, and a bad one at that. Both sides have a few, but they need to be called out.
As to NPR, the only good thing they've done for me was a unbiased interview with me about Studebakers a few years back.

Studebaker interiew

That was fun. Mean sound on that Studebaker engine. So you have the disease? Well, we all have one or another.

201 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:38:46am

re: #136 Charles

Pretty much. Truth is scary to the big media lie.

202 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:38:49am
203 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:38:58am

re: #190 pat

I saw her on TV, she has not been paying her mortgage for months. The neighborhood is terrible, and the house worth 20% of what she paid for it. She was supposed to refinance but cannot because of valuation of equity. It is a sad story because I believe this woman was sold a dream and it is falling apart.

When banks made people prove they could repay the loans and put up 20%, defaulting was relatively rare.

204 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:40:02am

re: #32 DistantThunder

From last thread:

In the meantime, my sister in law is reading the Audacity of Hope and the New York Times downstairs in my kitchen. She and Mr DT already had one major blow up about it. She said Bill Ayers was a "prankster" not a terrorist. Mr DT hit the roof.

My daughter, who played her first pratical joke at 18 months (it wasn't terrible sophisticated), and I have had multiple conversations about what is and is not okay in a prank:

No property destruction. Everybody has to be laughing--including the prankee. No pranking those without a sense of humor. No malice.

On how many counts does Ayers fail? All of them?

205 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:40:03am

re: #191 dhg4

Not to be rude, Marvin Kalb deserves some credit on this count. Granted it was Fauxtography not Rathergate that he was writing about and this is the exception that proves the rule.

Kalb's essay was excellent -- but that was a paper for Harvard, not a media article, and as far as I know was never published anywhere else.

206 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:40:32am

re: #190 pat

I saw her on TV, she has not been paying her mortgage for months. The neighborhood is terrible, and the house worth 20% of what she paid for it. She was supposed to refinance but cannot because of valuation of equity. It is a sad story because I believe this woman was sold a dream and it is falling apart.

no, this woman was not sold a dream

she though she could get rich quick, like the tens of millions who voted for 0bama - thinking there really is a free lunch

Americans have to abandon the idea that they can sue their way to prosperity (voters for 0bama) or race-bait their way to power (Democrats) (with a nod to Shakedown Jaskson as the star)

and just work for a freaking living

and stop believing a pill is going to make your willy a whopper
or a capsule will endow you with melon-sized breasts
or you can exercise 5 minutes a day and look like Jack LaLane

207 father_of_10  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:40:38am

Rather and Memo-gate=Epic Fail! but, I guess the MSM still can't get over their failure. What a bunch of losers. How can anyone EVER trust ANYTHING from NPR and the MSM? EVER?!?!

208 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:40:47am

re: #193 opnion

I think that we may be missing the point about the NG Rathergate memo.
There are different truths. The memo may not be literally true as it were, but so what? This is Rather's truth & Mary Mapes truth, NPR's truth and a whole host of guys living in their mothers basement.
See even fake , but accurate is an aspersion. It is just alternate truth.
Now lets get out our Obama decoder rings & get today's message.

Faulty perception of reality doesn't alter reality

209 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:41:04am

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

In Wisconsin we call them land contracts.

210 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:41:15am

A UN-Approved Christmas Dinner

The year-end news isn't pretty. The dictatorship-dominated United Nations has its eye on our Christmas hams as a key source of allegedly man-made global warming and planetary suicide.

"We haven't come to grips with agricultural emissions," warned Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, head of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in a front page article in the New York Times on December 4, "From Hoof to Plate, a New Bid to Cut Emissions."

. . .

Farm flatulence and belching will be "one of the main issues" on the agenda in Poland, reported the New York Times, explaining that "the trillions of farm animals around the world generate 18 percent of the emissions that are raising global temperatures, according to United Nations estimates, more than from cars, buses and airplanes."

Going into this year's Thanksgiving and Christmas holiday season, the USDA reported that frozen ham stocks in the U.S. totaled 160.5 million pounds, only about 2.2 million pounds below the record high pre-holiday figure for that date of 162.66 million pounds.

To control our carbon footprint, says Dr. Pachauri, we should "reduce meat consumption." A good world-saving lunch would be an internationally sanctioned broccoli burger, minus the cheese, unless we can find some zero-emitting heifers or develop some kind of methane-capturing cow diapers.

/now that Obama's elected, this lunacy will only accelerate and be encouraged

211 Rednek  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:41:21am

If NPR could show the "trobbing memo" would they?

Not a chance.

NPR and CBS: Same boat, different rats.

212 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:41:21am
213 godfrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:41:49am

re: #195 FrogMarch

Drudge put his picture up against Putin's. Heh. When will Obama get his pet tiger?

214 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:41:52am

Here's a feel-good story that will warm the coldest of hearts...

The princess...

215 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:41:59am

re: #155 Pyrocles

I knew some moonbat city start this sooner or later. Without salted roads, we'd be screwed here in Buffalo. Eventually Lake Erie's (remaining) life will surely be deemed more important than the people's ability to freely traverse the roads.

"If citizens want to move about the region, they should use public transport." - some future Liberal politician



Yet that thinking nearly killed two busloads of kids earlier this week in Seattle
.

216 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:42:19am

Good morning, Lizards! Nothing here surprises me. After all, there are people that are still trying to rehabilitate the image of Hitler. They are just not well placed journalists. Yet.

217 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:42:40am

re: #195 FrogMarch

Our crass society has hit bottom.
i'm not offended by a shirtless man. But this is the president. Oh wait - this is our new "Entertainment tonight - Inside Hollywood" glamour Messiah dood.

The photo is neither here nor there IMHO.

It was female anchors, and their comments. Sounded like jr. high girls in the bathroom with a playgirl.

218 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:42:43am

Be sure to buzz this up, Lizards and use the other Share features.

219 godfrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:43:00am

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

Whatever happened to "let the buyer beware"?

220 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:43:09am

re: #213 godfrey

Drudge put his picture up against Putin's. Heh. When will Obama get his pet tiger?

He already has WAB.

221 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:43:19am

re: #185 realwest

Hey thanks jcm - it's a tad different on VISTA SP1 but it's there under accessories, ease of access, narrator!

/go to Control Panel/Speech to customize it

222 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:43:22am

re: #136 Charles

Curious, isn't it, that none of these articles trying to rehabilitate Rather ever mention the actual bloggers who exposed the fraud by name?

None of the writers ever contact me, and none of the articles ever include the animated GIF that demonstrates the fraud conclusively.

They don't know from pajamas.

They don't want to know from pajamas.

Their listeners have no pajamas.

Yes, we have no pajamas, we have no pajamas, today!

223 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:44:11am

re: #192 realwest

One? Which one are YOU talking about?!

I was thinking about the most obvious, Our Messiah-King since that was a convergence of nearly all media country wide, but do know WA State had a few races FMSM decided.

224 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:44:29am

re: #110 jcm

News this morning the female anchors were having a Obasim.


Hmmm...probably the same goofy MSM types who made fun of Bush and his bicycling, etc. to stay in shape.

225 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:44:57am

re: #220 MandyManners

He already has WAB.

Pet tiger not vicious tiger!

226 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:45:16am
227 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:45:17am

re: #208 debutaunt

Faulty perception of reality doesn't alter reality

No, it doesn't.

You just try arguing your perception of reality with a train!

228 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:45:59am

re: #215 FurryOldGuyJeans


Yet that thinking nearly killed two busloads of kids earlier this week in Seattle
.

Apparently that is a shorcut progammed into the buses GPS. Drivers just followed the GPS not looking down the road they were about to turn onto and ask themselves if going down a steep icy hill with a dead end with a 30 drop would be a good idea. Last summer a bus driver following his GPS ripped the roof off his bus on a low bridge.

The street the buses used is a small side street and not likely to be sanded.

I put this one on the drivers, not the city.

229 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:15am

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

She was "sold a dream?" She had mortgage payments bigger than her annual income, for crying out loud.

That's not buying a dream; that's taking a leap into fantasyland.

Yes, it is taking a leap into fantasyland.
What institution loaned her that kind of money, knowing what sort of income she had?

230 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:21am

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

re: #203 debutaunt

In all fairness.. folks in all income brackets abused the system.

231 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:21am

re: #215 FurryOldGuyJeans


Yet that thinking nearly killed two busloads of kids earlier this week in Seattle
.

We don't use salt, we ride the bus.

/Never mind the bus rides on roads that need to be cleared.

232 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:24am

re: #224 rightymouse

Hmmm...probably the same goofy MSM types who made fun of Bush and his bicycling, etc. to stay in shape.

The FMSM is already in a swoon at our Beefcake Presidential Elect.

233 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:26am

Rather was in a documentary/report on IFC recently that made the same argument. I think it was from this series.

With the legal route exhausted they're using their media friends to rewrite history. Orwellian times...

234 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:38am

re: #206 Adrenalyn

and stop believing a pill is going to make your willy a whopper

It won't? Another $49.95 out the window...

235 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:46am

re: #220 MandyManners

MM, click my nic, pics of two munckins in the snow.

236 UFO TOFU  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:50am

re: #215 FurryOldGuyJeans

No chains on those buses? WTH?

237 pat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:46:51am

re: #197 Son of the Black Dog

Admittedly I was Army, not Air Force, but every orderly room or other office I was in during my time in the service (same period) had anything other than the equivalent of an antique black Underwood typewriter with individual hammers for each letter. I was several years out of the service before I even saw an IBM Selectric, much less use one. And it was in a very upscale office, the secretary for a Sr. VP of a company where I was having an interview. In the mid-1970's a Selectric was still a "luxury" or "high status" typewriter.


An excellent point. Which reminds us that no one has confirmed that the Air Nat Guard has such a typewriter and the the theory of the Selectric was introduced long after the fraud was exposed. As I remember it office personnel could not remember such a typewriter.And the only Selectric that fir the bill was a 1000 pound monstrosity that was used for newspaper publishing, and that did not have subscript.
And there were other issues. Like the date was wrong for Bush's attendance.

238 godfrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:47:05am

re: #226 buzzsawmonkey

It just doesn't take a lot of brains to work a few sums. More like "Crainior Emptor."

239 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:47:12am

re: #190 pat
"It is a sad story because I believe this woman was sold a dream and it is falling apart." I agree it's a sad story and I do feel empathy for her, but there is a document that MUST be read and signed at all mortgage loan closings called a HUD-1 or RESPA statement that lays out all the expenses the seller is paying/buyer is paying and now what the monthly mortgage payment will be (usually doesn't include the insurance, although sometimes does include the lenders escrow for Real Estate Taxes).
Her loan amount's monthly payment - excluding taxes and insurance, was more than her take home pay. I have no doubt she was hustled into this deal by a buy/sell broker, a mortgage broker and a truly predatory lender, but she is an adult and she ought to have recognized that fact.
And if you're wondering why a lender would even bother to make a loan to someone who had NO CHANCE at even making the monthly payments, look no farther than the Democrats' damned Community Reinvestment Act which PUNISHED LENDERS who didn't make x% of their total home mortgage loans to people who couldn't afford it based on income/credit history.
And so, why it's a sad story, and I do feel for her, there comes a point at which adults MUST be treated as ADULTS and held accountable for their own actions. NO ONE FORCED HER TO BUY THAT HOUSE OR TAKE THAT MORTGAGE LOAN.

240 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:47:44am

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

but how the hell did she expect to keep this up for half a million?

With her bailout, silly!

241 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:47:55am

re: #181 Thanos

The other reason is that they are loosing traffic to the internet. Within the next two years the internet as a source for news will overtake Network news in market share. Also note that NPR has already been passed by the internet.

Which is why fox news never gives LGF any credit. The bastards.

242 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:47:58am

re: #195 FrogMarch

Looks like we're in for Camelot II, but with even more media hype. In a way, I feel badly for BHO and his family, especially his cute kids with the modern press use of choppers and long lenses to invade their privacy. It's not like posing for pictures, or a snapshot at a event. Look for one of them caught picking their nose from 500 yards away.
Back in the Kennedy days the press showed some restraint, but with he right photo's bringing big bucks, look for more.

243 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:48:23am

re: #226 buzzsawmonkey

It used to be "Caveat Emptor," "let the buyer beware."

Today's watchword is "Caviar Emptor"--in other words, the buyer wants, nay, demands caviar, regardless of whether or not he can pay for it.

And then wonders why he/she cannot afford health insurance.
Health insurance is indeed expensive . . . but it's downright impossible if one of modest means insists on buying $500,000 homes or luxury cars.

244 Cutting Edge  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:48:37am

Charles/Lizards,

Someone,with skills I don't have, should create a Youtube clip of the Throbbing Memo.

I just did a quick search there and couldn't find it.

245 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:48:54am

re: #228 jcm

I still blame the city as well for such inadequate snow removal and/or closing off obviously steep hilly sections.

246 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:48:55am

re: #234 experiencedtraveller

It won't? Another $49.95 out the window...

oh, and Arnold is going to make the Democrats in California stop overspending

man, we believed him too
how effing stupid we were

247 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:48:55am

re: #235 jcm

MM, click my nic, pics of two munckins in the snow.

Awww. Darling!

248 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:49:19am

it is amazing how bad they want these lies to be true.
they are like drug addicts, willing to give up anything to get what they want.
rather is literally throwing away any shred of respectability to get his lies accepted as truth.
and these leftist loons have no one in their midst to shake any sense into them.
no one to make any sound judgments abt. this pathology of lying they're engaging in.
abt. how desperate and vulgar they look.

249 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:49:25am

This is the epitome of MSM elitist corruption. Having been caught deceiving the American public they made the deliberate choice to temporarily concede that they were being fraudulent knowing full well that they could simply wait until the story went cold and then rewrite their own narrative and the majority of the public having forgotten would accept it as the truth. This they learned from the master of propaganda Josef Goebbels.

The only question remaining now is, how long has the MSM been so completely corrupt and devoid of morals and ethics. Personally I believe that it is a hell of a lot longer than any of us wish to believe.

250 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:50:00am

re: #216 rawmuse

Good morning, Lizards! Nothing here surprises me. After all, there are people that are still trying to rehabilitate the image of Hitler. They are just not well placed journalists. Yet.

So many people (largely conservative people) have been compared to Hitler recently (the last few years) that the image of Hitler is losing it's core meaning.

I've recently heard on talk shows phrases like "stop it with the lame Hitler comparisons -- they get tiresome".
The above came from Bob Beckel. When Beckel has to say that, you know things have gone over the top.

When you get something to lose the core value, rehabilitation or redefinition are trivial tasks.

251 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:50:07am

re: #214 DeafDog

*sniff*

One of my fondest memories was of taking a 4 year-old in a blue satin princess dress to the ER because she had a gold bead stuck up her nose.

252 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:50:39am

re: #232 FurryOldGuyJeans

The FMSM is already in a swoon at our Beefcake Presidential Elect.

And that's what it is - a swoon. Sort of like reading a teen magazine.

253 DrCruel  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:50:42am

NPR is a shill for the Limousine Left. It's never been anything else in my memory. Of course they would try to whitewash Rathergate.

As for Rather's apologia now, I'd have more respect for it if he had not got his source on TV immediately after the "throbbing memo" crisis broke, and grilled him repeatedly to make it clear the whole business was Burkett's fault, and not his.

254 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:50:43am

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

In my view the enfocement of the Community Reinvestment Act by intimidation of Barney Frank & others really caused this housing crisis
The banks were forced to make loans to illegals, people on public assistance & those who got in way over their heads.
The lenders quickly figured out that tis might not be so bad. Write the bad paper, bundle them, call them derivatives & sell back and forth to each other earning comissions.
They knew that the Government (you) would stand good for the toxic paper & they would get a bail out. Everybody wins, well not you so much.

255 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:50:52am

re: #197 Son of the Black Dog

Admittedly I was Army, not Air Force, but every orderly room or other office I was in during my time in the service (same period) had anything other than the equivalent of an antique black Underwood typewriter with individual hammers for each letter. I was several years out of the service before I even saw an IBM Selectric, much less use one. And it was in a very upscale office, the secretary for a Sr. VP of a company where I was having an interview. In the mid-1970's a Selectric was still a "luxury" or "high status" typewriter.

My mother actually had a Selectric during the '70's, with interchangeable font ball. Fonts came in Elite and Pica, and you could also order Courier and Lettergothic, an even italic (which required its own font ball) All were monospaced, and the only way to achieve superscript was to adjust the rollbar 1/2 space. Superscripting did not change the font size. The Selectric could not do justify or proportional spacing.

256 stevieray  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:50:57am

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

Interestingly, that was the terrible secret of Whitewater -- those vacation homes were sold under mortgages, carried by Whitewater itself, that functioned the same way. If a homebuyer missed a few payments, the home reverted back to Whitewater, and the buyer lost their built-up equity.

They were sold under a simple purchase agreement, and on the bottom of the contract it read, "In the event the default continues for 30 days... payments made by the purchaser shall be considered as rent for the use of the premises"

In short, you built up no wealth until the entire contract was fulfilled!

[page 109 "Do As I Say (Not As I Do)", Peter Schweizer]

257 TimothyJ  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:51:17am

The really stupid part of all this is that MS Word has a typewriter type available. If Rather and Co. weren't so stupid, they would have used the, if I remember correctly, New Courier font.

258 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:51:17am

re: #217 jcm

The photo is neither here nor there IMHO.

It was female anchors, and their comments. Sounded like jr. high girls in the bathroom with a playgirl.

well yes. Without seeing what you saw I'm sure the female anchors forgot they were producing a professional news show and instead love-struck fans on "Inside Hollywood."

259 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:51:24am

re: #249 doriangrey

This is the epitome of MSM elitist corruption. Having been caught deceiving the American public they made the deliberate choice to temporarily concede that they were being fraudulent knowing full well that they could simply wait until the story went cold and then rewrite their own narrative and the majority of the public having forgotten would accept it as the truth. This they learned from the master of propaganda Josef Goebbels.

The only question remaining now is, how long has the MSM been so completely corrupt and devoid of morals and ethics. Personally I believe that it is a hell of a lot longer than any of us wish to believe.

since they got Nixon, if you ask me

and don't tell me he deserved it or whatever...
what Clinton did was far more corrupt in that he was the active instigator, Nixon was caught up in something he did not initiate

260 Racer X  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:51:46am

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

261 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:52:02am

re: #233 Peter Verkooijen

Rather was in a documentary/report on IFC recently that made the same argument. I think it was from this series.

With the legal route exhausted they're using their media friends to rewrite history. Orwellian times...

bingo.

262 Cutting Edge  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:52:22am

Dan Rather= Jimmy Carter

Revising history to sanitize a rotten "legacy".

263 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:52:46am

re: #257 TimothyJ

The really stupid part of all this is that MS Word has a typewriter type available. If Rather and Co. weren't so stupid, they would have used the, if I remember correctly, New Courier font.

SHHH! Don't tell them!
Oh, wait, they don't read LGF.

264 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:52:55am

I curse NPR, half-truth liars.

LLL friends of mine, good people all, who get almost all of thie news from a NPR station, did not know that Obama smoked, the other night at dinner when I told them.

He smokes?

We cannot go on like this in this country, we will end up with some dictator.

265 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:53:11am

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey
Excellent post buzz - truly excellent. But when King was marching for Open Housing, it was much different than the burdens placed on lenders by the Community Reinvestment Act.
For me, the CRA put the final nail in the coffin of a lot of American's dreams of "owning their own home."

266 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:53:13am

One more thing, "curly quotes" did not exist on any typewriter ever made, yet you see them in the "throbbing memo." That in and of itself should debunk the memo.

267 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:53:17am

re: #257 TimothyJ

The really stupid part of all this is that MS Word has a typewriter type available. If Rather and Co. weren't so stupid, they would have used the, if I remember correctly, New Courier font.

No one ever said Progressives were smart.

268 Pyrocles  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:53:22am

Oh my God... /slaps forehead.

And pork is halal! A reason for the UN to attack "meat" for reasons of "religious tolerance"...

re: #210 Killian Bundy

A UN-Approved Christmas Dinner

/now that Obama's elected, this lunacy will only accelerate and be encouraged

269 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:53:36am

In a way, I feel badly for BHO and his family,

the guy wanted it so bad he and his minions probably broke the law to get the presidency...he is a liar and a cheat...I could care less about him and his family...they dont give a shit about me...

270 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:54:16am

re: #200 Silvergirl

That was fun. Mean sound on that Studebaker engine. So you have the disease? Well, we all have one or another.

Like any hobby, we like to hang out with others infected with the love of doing one thing or another, even if others outside the hobby don't get it. I met a barb wire collector one day they did not get my collecting Studebaker's, go figure.

271 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:54:19am

re: #260 Racer X

Youtube Video target="_blank">What's the frequency, Kenneth?

/live in Wiesbaden

272 johnnyreb  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:54:36am

re: #237 pat

An excellent point. Which reminds us that no one has confirmed that the Air Nat Guard has such a typewriter and the the theory of the Selectric was introduced long after the fraud was exposed. As I remember it office personnel could not remember such a typewriter.And the only Selectric that fir the bill was a 1000 pound monstrosity that was used for newspaper publishing, and that did not have subscript.
And there were other issues. Like the date was wrong for Bush's attendance.

I was in the Active side of the Army from 1975-78. Granted I was with an Artillery Battalion in Germany, but I did get to go to DIVARTY HQ quite often. Not even those guys had an IBM Selectric typewriter. We are talking secretaries and clerks for one star Generals.

If the Active side did not have that stuff, there is no way the NG guys had it. We were all pretty much still with manuals back then. Maybe one or two people on a specific post had electric typewriters, but not IBM's, and there was not any fancy superscript or jazz on the ones that we had.

273 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:54:48am

re: #242 avanti

Looks like we're in for Camelot II, but with even more media hype. In a way, I feel badly for BHO and his family, especially his cute kids with the modern press use of choppers and long lenses to invade their privacy. It's not like posing for pictures, or a snapshot at a event. Look for one of them caught picking their nose from 500 yards away.
Back in the Kennedy days the press showed some restraint, but with he right photo's bringing big bucks, look for more.

I wish for Obama & Michelle to get the same respect afforded to Bush & Palin respectively, but they need to leave the kids alone.

274 pat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:54:50am

re: #255 Alouette

The scientific, legal, and medical balls had some superscipt, subcsript, and notations, but did not come in all fonts. Only one as I remember. And you are spot on the proportional spacing issue.
Our office still uses the Selectric for forms, as do many offices.

275 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:55:01am

re: #259 Adrenalyn

since they got Nixon, if you ask me

and don't tell me he deserved it or whatever...
what Clinton did was far more corrupt in that he was the active instigator, Nixon was caught up in something he did not initiate

Sadly I believe they were corrupt and lying to the American people long before that. Perhaps even before JFK died.

276 sattv4u2  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:55:12am

re: #260 Racer X

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Being in the TV broadcast business and knowing whats needed behind the cameras, the funny thing about that (What's the frequency, Kenneth) is that is was about the only sane thing Rather said at that time!

277 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:55:37am

re: #269 albusteve

In a way, I feel badly for BHO and his family,

the guy wanted it so bad he and his minions probably broke the law to get the presidency...he is a liar and a cheat...I could care less about him and his family...they dont give a shit about me...

Well said, but may I clarify: They definitly broke campaign finance laws - no 'probably' about it.

278 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:55:46am

re: #246 Adrenalyn

oh, and Arnold is going to make the Democrats in California stop overspending

man, we believed him too
how effing stupid we were

He took on the dems in the legislature early on, and lost big time. He tried to get a bunch of propositions passed that really would have made the difference. It's too bad. I for one think he's doin the best he can up against the tax/spend clowns.

279 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:55:50am

re: #245 FurryOldGuyJeans

I still blame the city as well for such inadequate snow removal and/or closing off obviously steep hilly sections.

It's a trade off. Buy enough snow removal gear for a once a decade snow fall, or deal with the snow when it happens. We we usually get snow it a warm wet front displacing cold air and the snow last 24 hours max we're at 6 days now, which is highly unusual.

I hold zero sympathy for the morons running local government. Sure they could do better, but it's not a that friggin' bad.

Closed street signs? Seattle drivers can't read, from the number blowing by closed signs.

I had to go out in it yesterday. Road conditions are not that bad. The biggest single problem IMHO is MORONS in all wheel drive who think the laws of physics do not apply to all wheel drive.

280 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:56:09am

Ghost of Ratergate past
Too bad they can't do it all in one night

281 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:56:24am

re: #260 Racer X

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Whoops, take two.

/live in Wiesbaden

282 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:56:29am

re: #255 Alouette

My mother actually had a Selectric during the '70's, with interchangeable font ball. Fonts came in Elite and Pica, and you could also order Courier and Lettergothic, an even italic (which required its own font ball) All were monospaced, and the only way to achieve superscript was to adjust the rollbar 1/2 space. Superscripting did not change the font size. The Selectric could not do justify or proportional spacing.

I owned manual typewriters and several Selectrics in my misspent youth. The real point is not whether superscript or proportional spacing was possible, though -- the output produced by Microsoft Word is as distinguishable as a fingerprint. I did an experiment and typed up the same document in Apple's Textedit program, after changing the defaults to match MS Word's, and the resulting document was completely different.

Word processing programs make all kinds of decisions about how to display and print fonts, and they are not all the same. Each program has its distinctive ways of figuring out what the document is supposed to look like, and it's really difficult to get them to match with the degree of accuracy we see in the throbbing memo.

283 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:56:32am

re: #233

Rather was in a documentary/report on IFC recently that made the same argument. I think it was from this series

It was Episode #3 called "Dumbing Down", based almost entirely on an interview with Dan Rather, with the starting point that his memo story was buried by evil capitalist powers that be (and their right wing blogging lackeys).

284 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:56:35am

re: #268 Pyrocles

Oh my God... /slaps forehead.

And pork is halal! A reason for the UN to attack "meat" for reasons of "religious tolerance"...

And:Why Obama Really Might Decriminalize Marijuana

[Link: www.esquire.com...]

I better be stoned if their gonna take my meat away?

285 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:57:06am

re: #250 jwb7605
"Tiresome" isn't the point - they TRIVIALIZE the Holocaust - and there's more than a touch of Anti-Semitisim in those comparisons as well.

286 Babydoc97  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:57:15am

re: #86 Who Watches the Watchmen?

OT - but I am so looking forward to the upcoming Watchmen movie that I would have updinged you anyway, even if I disagreed with you...which I don't...

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HANNUKAH!

/passes brandy-spiked eggnog around...

287 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:57:27am

re: #241 Sharmuta

Which is why fox news never gives LGF any credit. The bastards.

Well I don't know about that, I think it's because they want the credit and aren't used to the convention of Hat Tips. The only three growing sources if you look close at the survey are Cable, Internet, and National Newspapers. Fox fits under Cable.

288 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:57:49am

re: #276 sattv4u2

Being in the TV broadcast business and knowing whats needed behind the cameras, the funny thing about that (What's the frequency, Kenneth) is that is was about the only sane thing Rather said at that time!

For pity's sake, Rather never said it! It was said by the crazy person who attacked him, and it's not funny.

289 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:58:00am

Obama will need, but probably will not have, a sign on his desk that says:

"Affirmative action stops here."

290 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:58:00am
memos in his infamous 60 Minutes II piece were never proven to be fakes...

The Nirth Certifikat has never been proven to be true either.
/

291 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:58:40am

re: #265 realwest

Excellent post buzz - truly excellent. But when King was marching for Open Housing, it was much different than the burdens placed on lenders by the Community Reinvestment Act.
For me, the CRA put the final nail in the coffin of a lot of American's dreams of "owning their own home."

To the left, owning a home is a "right" like health care.

Own a home is part of the American "Dream." The "Dream" is achieved by hard work, good decisions, and personal responsibility.

The dream is made available to all who would reach for it. Not handed out for being here.

292 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:58:43am

re: #285 realwest

"Tiresome" isn't the point - they TRIVIALIZE the Holocaust - and there's more than a touch of Anti-Semitisim in those comparisons as well.

Exactly.
All that stuff is already trivial to the majority of inattentive listeners.

Ergo, history is ripe for the rewriting.

293 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:59:17am

re: #230 unrealizedviewpoint

re: #203 debutaunt

In all fairness.. folks in all income brackets abused the system.

The system was changed - it used to work beautifully, except that poor people couldn't buy expensive homes.

294 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:59:19am

re: #210 Killian Bundy

You'll get my Christmas ham from me when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Actually, wouldn't a true UN dinner consist of beans & rice, and a really expensively decorated Christmas tree? A really ugly and expensively decorated tree.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

295 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #264 Ojoe

My new screen saver is the pic of Obama with the hat and the spleef.

296 JacksonTn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:59:46am

re: #273 opnion

I wish for Obama & Michelle to get the same respect afforded to Bush & Palin respectively, but they need to leave the kids alone.

I have no respect for anyone who is a "media whore" only when it suits their needs ...

/all children should be off limits regardless of political party

297 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:59:58am

re: #278 unrealizedviewpoint

Well I remember Ahnold's early efforts at fiscal sanity; he was turned down by both the legislature and the electorate.

298 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:00:22am

re: #274 pat

The scientific, legal, and medical balls had some superscipt, subcsript, and notations, but did not come in all fonts. Only one as I remember. And you are spot on the proportional spacing issue.
Our office still uses the Selectric for forms, as do many offices.

I remember old-fashioned manual typewriters having special keys for ½, ¼, and ¢.

299 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:00:48am

re: #288 Dianna

For pity's sake, Rather never said it! It was said by the crazy person who attacked him, and it's not funny.

Diana ,there is a really good chance that Rather made the whole thing up. He also claimed that he was kidnaped by a cab driver in Chicago.
Many don't know the differnce betwen Wrigley Field & The Wrigley Building, but I have never heard of anyone actually being kidnaped

300 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:00:55am

re: #275 doriangrey

Sadly I believe they were corrupt and lying to the American people long before that. Perhaps even before JFK died.

you know, I have to agree
the whole Camelot bullshit and all

good call

301 Amer-I-Can  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:04am

This is no shocker... it's NPR after all. Rant ther can try as he will but he is a dead fish in a cesspool of blindfolded "journalists" who all have the same agenda... smash conservatism because conservatism is BAD. They have no clue why it is bad, just that it is.

302 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:09am

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans
Ah, ok - that's the one I thought you meant, but ya know the election cheating/stealing was SO WIDESPREAD this year, what with ACORN helping out Franken and others and encouraging college students to break the law by voting twice - once where they attended college (probably by absentee ballot) and again where their parents lived, that it's hard to pin down just one, since the MSM ignored so many, although obviously Obama was the biggest by far

303 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:12am

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

Where does someone making $22,000 a year get off thinking they can buy a half-million dollar house with monthly mortgage payments of $3000?

Maybe she didn't.

Maybe she paid an extra $2500 to some "Get rich through real estate" plan that *instructed* her to do exactly what she did.

May not have been true in her case, but was true in plenty of others.

304 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:12am

re: #257 TimothyJ

The really stupid part of all this is that MS Word has a typewriter type available. If Rather and Co. weren't so stupid, they would have used the, if I remember correctly, New Courier font.

rather was probably so sure the public would welcome the damning evidence, that no one would look too closely.
this just shows that rather is not an intelligent, well informed person.
he has always been a hack w/ an agenda.

305 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:16am

re: #293 debutaunt

The system was changed - it used to work beautifully, except that poor people couldn't buy expensive homes.

FASCISTS!

306 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:30am

re: #294 EmmmieG

You'll get my Christmas ham from me when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Actually, wouldn't a true UN dinner consist of beans & rice, and a really expensively decorated Christmas tree? A really ugly and expensively decorated tree.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

No beans - they cause methane emissions which leads to global warming.
Tofu and rice.

307 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:37am

re: #278 unrealizedviewpoint

He took on the dems in the legislature early on, and lost big time. He tried to get a bunch of propositions passed that really would have made the difference. It's too bad. I for one think he's doin the best he can up against the tax/spend clowns.

this is way beyod just stealing an election...the federalization of business and other institutions is almost inevitable...the scope of this fraud is beyond any other in modern times if you ask me...just consider the ramifications...I know you have...jus sayin tho

308 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #296 JacksonTn

I have no respect for anyone who is a "media whore" only when it suits their needs ...

/all children should be off limits regardless of political party

Just so

309 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:01:49am

re: #299 opnion

Diana ,there is a really good chance that Rather made the whole thing up. He also claimed that he was kidnaped by a cab driver in Chicago.
Many don't know the differnce betwen Wrigley Field & The Wrigley Building, but I have never heard of anyone actually being kidnaped

What's this tale of Rather being kidnapped in Chicago?

310 Buck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:02:15am
"Former Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, the key source who provided the copies of the records — supposedly from the personal files of young Lt. Bush’s commanding officer — changed his story about how he got them."

Isn't that proof that the documents were NOT what CBS and Rather purported them to be?

Originally they were purported to know the source of the documents. They now must admit they have no clue where they came from before Burkett.

Case closed in my mind.

311 sattv4u2  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:02:49am

re: #288 Dianna

re: #299 opnion

Diana ,there is a really good chance that Rather made the whole thing up. He also claimed that he was kidnaped by a cab driver in Chicago.
Many don't know the differnce betwen Wrigley Field & The Wrigley Building, but I have never heard of anyone actually being kidnaped

There were also strong indications that he was "attacked" by the husband of a woman Rather was involved with, and Rather made up the entire "crazy person attacked me for no reason" scenario so Rather wouldn't take a hit to his image

312 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:02:51am

re: #298 Alouette

I remember old-fashioned manual typewriters having special keys for ½, ¼, and ¢.

I still have a manual typewriter that doesn't have a numeral 1; you use lower case L (l)
This is an antique; open-frame cast iron Underwood standard; I believe from the 1920's.

313 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:03:03am

re: #221 Killian Bundy
Uh oh - "customize it" - Killian if I have to do more than turn it on or off, I'm in trouble! LOL!
But I'll give it a shot this afternoon.
And THANK YOU and JCM for pointing this out to me!

314 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:03:14am

re: #306 Kosh's Shadow

No beans - they cause methane emissions which leads to global warming.
Tofu and rice.

Fuck that. I want my turkey! They can keep their damn bean curds.

315 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:03:45am

re: #312 Kosh's Shadow

And your Underwood will still work after an EMP attack.

As will my rifle.

316 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:04:14am

re: #52 Dave the...

I always have said, Dan Rather reminds me of the captain on the Caine Mutiny, when he finally looses it at the end of the movie. Charles must have stole Rather's strawberries.

Dan "Old Memostain" Rather as quite a ring to it

317 UFO TOFU  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:04:18am

re: #314 Honorary Yooper

Fuck that. I want my turkey! They can keep their damn bean curds.

Amen!

318 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:04:39am

re: #273 opnion

I wish for Obama & Michelle to get the same respect afforded to Bush & Palin respectively, but they need to leave the kids alone.

I agree with the you on the kids, but I might include Michelle too. Laura Bush seemed to be given some respect even from the MSM. All bets are off if Michelle is as politically active as Hillary though.
The press has no shame, I recall a "upskirt" shot of Hillary and was surprised they did not get one of Palin. I'm sure they won't miss a chance.

319 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:04:46am

re: #299 opnion

So far as I can tell, Rather actually was attacked, and the fellow who did it may have attacked others.

In any case, "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" shouldn't be attributed to Rather.

320 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:04:47am

re: #314 Honorary Yooper

Fuck that. I want my turkey! They can keep their damn bean curds.

Meat will be sold on the black market. You'll have to visit Louie at night; cash only.

321 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:04:59am

re: #295 rawmuse

My new screen saver is the pic of Obama with the hat and the spleef.

spleef!...HA!

322 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:05:16am

re: #290 Oh no...Sand People!

The Nirth Certifikat has never been proven to be true either.
/

Conspiracies are immune to proof.

323 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:05:23am

re: #282 Charles

Didn't you have an image of the poor match between the cbs memo and the Apple version?

324 Lincolntf  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:05:31am

To expose myself as a total neophyte, can I ask a dumb question? Was this the story that put LGF into the headlines/news coverage for the first time?

325 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:05:38am

re: #309 Honorary Yooper

What's this tale of Rather being kidnapped in Chicago?

He claimed that a cab driver kidnapped him by not letting him out of the cab & just driving around. According to Rather's account, he heroically escaped at a red light or something. The story reeked of bull shit.

326 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:05:42am
327 MadJadBad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:06:01am

Courage, Dan. Courage.

328 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:06:12am

re: #319 Dianna

So far as I can tell, Rather actually was attacked, and the fellow who did it may have attacked others.

In any case, "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" shouldn't be attributed to Rather.

isnt it a song title by REM?

329 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:06:21am

re: #257 TimothyJ

The really stupid part of all this is that MS Word has a typewriter type available. If Rather and Co. weren't so stupid, they would have used the, if I remember correctly, New Courier font.

I think the fraud still would have been exposed. It might not have been so immediately obvious, but there are still HUGE differences between typewriter output and word processor output, even if you use a typewriter font like Courier.

330 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:06:30am

re: #239 realwest

I write training for prospective real estate salespeople and I just finished a lesson on this very topic. Usually the seller (who is really an unscrupulous investor who bought the house on the cheap) has an appraiser and a lender in cahoots with him. The crooked appraiser produces an inflated opinion of value, which the lender accepts with a wink and a nod. The seller splits the ill-gotten gains with his partners and moves on to the next scam. Meanwhile, when the buyer/sucker defaults, the mortgage insurer gets stuck with the loss. HUD implemented a rule in 2003 prohibiting FHA financing of a flipped house (one being sold less than 90 days after purchase). So ignorant buyers were led into outlandish subprime mortgages instead. Same song, different verse.

331 pat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:06:48am
332 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:07:15am

re: #311 sattv4u2

re: #299 opnion

There were also strong indications that he was "attacked" by the husband of a woman Rather was involved with, and Rather made up the entire "crazy person attacked me for no reason" scenario so Rather wouldn't take a hit to his image

I remember that some people snickered and said that; I've never had the faintest clue (I'm no insider) if that was just the usual smarminess or true.

333 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:07:18am

re: #323 Sharmuta

Didn't you have an image of the poor match between the cbs memo and the Apple version?

Yep:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

334 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:07:29am

re: #329 Charles

Too bad he didn't make the "memo" from cut and paste newspaper scraps.
Ha ha.

335 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:07:39am

re: #12 joncelli

Why is the left investing so much energy in exonerating Rather?

Put on a dog and pony show for MSM, while their elsewhere committing mischief!

336 JacksonTn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:07:39am

re: #318 avanti

I agree with the you on the kids, but I might include Michelle too. Laura Bush seemed to be given some respect even from the MSM. All bets are off if Michelle is as politically active as Hillary though.
The press has no shame, I recall a "upskirt" shot of Hillary and was surprised they did not get one of Palin. I'm sure they won't miss a chance.

If Michelle doesn't want any media attention ...I suggest she shut her pie hole about wanting to take more of my pie ...

/sorry but I just cannot take much of her - I think she has a very large chip on her shoulder ...

337 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:08:24am

re: #328 albusteve

isnt it a song title by REM?

/yes

338 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:08:50am

re: #318 avanti

I agree with the you on the kids, but I might include Michelle too. Laura Bush seemed to be given some respect even from the MSM. All bets are off if Michelle is as politically active as Hillary though.
The press has no shame, I recall a "upskirt" shot of Hillary and was surprised they did not get one of Palin. I'm sure they won't miss a chance.

If Michelle is a good girl, then I agree, but she has a history, "First time in my adult life that have been proud of my country," "America is a mean couintry." I doubt that Laura Bush made similar statements.

339 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:08:51am

re: #328 albusteve

isnt it a song title by REM?

It is! A nice, loud piece!

340 sattv4u2  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:08:51am

re: #319 Dianna

So far as I can tell, Rather actually was attacked, and the fellow who did it may have attacked others.

In any case, "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" shouldn't be attributed to Rather.

he claimed his attacker uttered "Kenneth, whats the frequency" repeatedly during the attack.The rock group REM later wrote a song titled
"Whats The Frequency Kenneth" and Rather appeared on stage with them as they performed it during the Letterman Show

341 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:09:05am

re: #256 stevieray
Hi stevieray! Y'all should know that virtually the same language exists in all TimeShare vacation contracts/financing documents. That's the good news now.
Now - with the real estate economy in tatters, folks are defaulting on their timeshare contracts left and right to cut monthly expenses and while the sponsor or developer takes those timeshares back, they have no market within which to re-sell them!
And the really good news is that the developer's by putting that language in their contracts/financing documents, CAN'T sue the defauted timeshare owners!

342 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:09:06am

re: #335 Dustyvet

Put on a dog and pony show for MSM, while their elsewhere committing mischief!

Like stealing an election in Minnesota.

343 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:09:10am

re: #335 Dustyvet

"Anything but to try and see the current big picture" is why.

344 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:09:10am

re: #333 Charles

Yep:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Pretty convincing.

345 Buck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:09:34am

re: #255 Alouette

My mother actually had a Selectric during the '70's, with interchangeable font ball. Fonts came in Elite and Pica, and you could also order Courier and Lettergothic, an even italic (which required its own font ball) All were monospaced, and the only way to achieve superscript was to adjust the rollbar 1/2 space. Superscripting did not change the font size. The Selectric could not do justify or proportional spacing.

There are a lot of documents that we can confirm came from the office of the officer in question. They look typed. The letters do not line up along the bottom very well, and the typeface is very different.

No one has typed a copy of this document and made it match up in any way. If someone could they would be famous, and Rather would probably pay a small fortune in consulting / witness fess.

However the idea that all the other documents from that office look one way, and this one document looks so different cannot be explained in any way other that it is a forgery.

It really is a simple as that.

346 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:09:35am

re: #336 JacksonTn

If Michelle doesn't want any media attention ...I suggest she shut her pie hole about wanting to take more of my pie ...

/sorry but I just cannot take much of her - I think she has a very large chip on her shoulder ...

I even have a phrase for them, I call them The Permanent Grievance Class. The Grievance is dead, Long Live the next Grievance.

347 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:10:22am

You know, there are lots of lurkers from the MSM, and they must know about Charles' throbbing memo comparison. I wonder what they are now saying about Rather's feeble attempt at redemption.

348 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:10:42am

we're all doomed...time for some REM and a spleef

349 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:10:59am

My junior year of college I was supposed to do a report on a prominent member of the elite. I did one on Rather. My professor was not a liberal, in fact, he's the one who started me reading National Review.

Anyway, the defining moment was during the scheduled interview with the prof to talk over the paper, and I mentioned a story that was part of one of Rather's memoirs. The teacher just looked at me, sighed, then told me that was a really old chestnut.*

It was a reality-mugging experience. Could he actually have...lied...in his autobiography? Possibly?

*Although not of the kind that could be proven or dispoven.

350 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:11:37am

re: #340 sattv4u2

I like the song. I like the album.

I still can't stand Dan Rather.

351 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:11:52am

They will not go away. The lies just crawl back out from under a rock.

Charles I believe that you have been subjected to a real slanderous attack. You reputation, your income rests largely on the work you did in exposing this fraud. By attacking the credibility of arguments about Rather's evidence for his story they are attacking you. Have you talked to a lawyer about this? If Rather and the NPR have deliberately conspired to defame you then you should be able to sue them.

352 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:11:56am

re: #336 JacksonTn

If Michelle doesn't want any media attention ...I suggest she shut her pie hole about wanting to take more of my pie ...

/sorry but I just cannot take much of her - I think she has a very large chip on her shoulder ...

Like Hillary, it's the nail sticking up that gets the hammer. If she spends her time taking care of the kids, the press will leave her alone. If she takes up a lot of causes, she's polarize at least a few factions and get hammered.

353 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:12:44am

re: #344 Sharmuta

Pretty convincing.

The other piece is that every person in the AF, Reserve or Regular who saw those memos. Their first reaction, mine included, was "those are not AF memos," formating, headers, and all the other trivial details that are in a memo from the 70's are missing.

354 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:12:45am

re: #302 realwest

With ACORN being the hidden hand behind so much of the election shenanigans we could say it was just all one event since it was so well coordinated. Add on the FMSM being propagandists of the first water for the Messiah-King to make the fraud much more palatable by making it far less obvious for the masses to notice.

355 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:12:49am

Good Afternoon Lizards! Happy Chanukah!

I hope everyone is well today.

356 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:12:50am

re: #242 avanti

Looks like we're in for Camelot II, but with even more media hype. In a way, I feel badly for BHO and his family, especially his cute kids with the modern press use of choppers and long lenses to invade their privacy. It's not like posing for pictures, or a snapshot at a event. Look for one of them caught picking their nose from 500 yards away.
Back in the Kennedy days the press showed some restraint, but with he right photo's bringing big bucks, look for more.

The press won't need long lenses or helicopters. The Obamas seem to have no problem putting their girls on display on carefully selected occasions (i.e. anytime it serves to polish their image). Remember that "spontaneous" birthday party for his daughter in Montana? It was staged for a film to be used at the convention.

357 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:12:54am

re: #249 doriangrey

... The only question remaining now is, how long has the MSM been so completely corrupt and devoid of morals and ethics. Personally I believe that it is a hell of a lot longer than any of us wish to believe.

This has been going on for decades, not just by the media, but also by overwhelmingly left-leaning academia. They write history.

For example, they've turned Democratic presidents into towering heroes and Republican presidents into miserable failures.

FDR: Sure, his 3rd (!) war-time term deserves respect, but what the hell did he do in his first two terms? FDR turned a bad recession into a Great Depression that lasted a decade. He did nothing to stop the rise of fascism and nazism until it plunged the whole world into war.

JFK: Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, weakness and indecisiveness that let us to the brink of nuclear war in the Cuban Missile Crisis, in his personal life a sickly philanderer. JFK and his supporters turned the American presidency into the beginnings of an American monarchy.

358 turn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:13:04am

re: #347 Golem Akbar

You know, there are lots of lurkers from the MSM, and they must know about Charles' throbbing memo comparison. I wonder what they are now saying about Rather's feeble attempt at redemption.

Did cognito ever chime in on Rathergate?

359 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:13:23am

re: #336 JacksonTn

If Michelle doesn't want any media attention ...I suggest she shut her pie hole about wanting to take more of my pie ...

/sorry but I just cannot take much of her - I think she has a very large chip on her shoulder ...


I agree. She had a fit over not being able to move into Blair House until the customary date of Jan 15. Can you say entitlement. Sure I know you can.

360 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:13:28am
361 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:14:09am

re: #355 Ford_Prefect

There's no work

362 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:15:22am

Latest in the MN vote theft saga.

Ballot Madness: Tipping the Scales in Minnesota's Senate Recount

The Canvassing Board overseeing the vote recount for Minnesota’s tightly contested U.S. Senate race isn’t quite done examining disputed ballots, but using their numbers the Minnesota Star Tribune issued a projection Saturday night that Al Franken will pick up 270 votes when the board is finished. Currently the board is determining voter intent in disputed ballots. If the projection proves correct, Franken will beat incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman by 78 votes.


Welcome to the 3rd world ballot counting.

363 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:15:34am

re: #324 Lincolntf

To expose myself as a total neophyte, can I ask a dumb question? Was this the story that put LGF into the headlines/news coverage for the first time?

There are several links to the fraud exposure, one in the body of the article at the top, with a link to another just a few posts above. Charles posted both.

364 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:15:45am

re: #361 Ojoe

There's no work

Soon, there will be work for everyone! The government will pay one team of men to dig holes and another to fill them in! Problem solved.

365 JacksonTn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:16:21am

re: #352 avanti

Like Hillary, it's the nail sticking up that gets the hammer. If she spends her time taking care of the kids, the press will leave her alone. If she takes up a lot of causes, she's polarize at least a few factions and get hammered.

I don't give a flying flip what Michelle does ...but you can't have it both ways ...Words ...just ...Words ...nobody make up any of the crap she spewed during the election ...she was even bitchy when she was talking about Hillary ...read her thesis ...her feelings were not born yesterday ...

/rant off about Michelle which I make no bones about not liking ...

366 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:16:55am

re: #362 jcm

Latest in the MN vote theft saga.

Ballot Madness: Tipping the Scales in Minnesota's Senate Recount


Welcome to the 3rd world ballot counting.

Franken learned the Gregoire lessons very well.

367 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:17:14am

re: #362 jcm

Latest in the MN vote theft saga.

Ballot Madness: Tipping the Scales in Minnesota's Senate Recount


Welcome to the 3rd world ballot counting.

I wish some talking head would have the nerve to ask peanut head Carter about that one...be good for some laughs

368 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:17:22am
poring over decades-old typefaces and fonts to charge the documents were forgeries.

Is this in defense of Dan Rather or what could really be written about the attack machines onslaught on Joe the Plumber?

369 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:17:40am

re: #330 doppelganglander
Same song, different verse, but with an "added feature".
I used to represent more Time Share developers (Disney, Vistana, Marriot, etc.) than any other lawyer in NYC (admittedly it's a small nitch, but it was mine!) and also repped the FDIC and the RTC in the early 90's S&L and Federal Savings Bank Debacle - WE put crooked appraisers, lenders (usually Presidents of "small time" S&L's IN JAIL. AND GOT RESTITUTION in many many cases. And the FDIC changed it's rules, so you had to have at least a 10% downpayment). CRA gutted even that "minor" requirement and allowed appraisers to go so far out that it was a standing joke that an M.A.I. Appraiser (Metropolitan Appraisal Institute) actually stood for Made As Instructed.
But STILL - NO ONE WAS FORCED into taking loans THEY, AS ADULTS, SHOULD HAVE and certainly COULD HAVE KNOWN THEY COULDN'T POSSIBLY PAY.
And, philosophically, our "working out" these loans with taxpayer money is just an obscenity.

370 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:17:55am

re: #366 FurryOldGuyJeans

Franken learned the Gregoire lessons very well.

A few folks from King Co. (D) party went to MN to "help" Franken.

371 Lincolntf  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:17:58am

re: #362 jcm

How can this stand? The "watchmen" have never before been so obviously in need of being watched.
Somebody tell me there's some realistic legal remedy for this travesty.

372 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:18:01am

The opposition will believe anything except the truth... because the truth is that they are the bad guys.

373 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:18:08am

re: #362 jcm

Latest in the MN vote theft saga.

Ballot Madness: Tipping the Scales in Minnesota's Senate Recount

The Canvassing Board overseeing the vote recount for Minnesota’s tightly contested U.S. Senate race isn’t quite done examining disputed ballots, but using their numbers the Minnesota Star Tribune issued a projection Saturday night that Al Franken will pick up 270 votes when the board is finished. Currently the board is determining voter intent in disputed ballots. If the projection proves correct, Franken will beat incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman by 78 votes.


Welcome to the 3rd world ballot counting.

Do the Republicans in power even care at all about this?

374 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:18:23am

re: #354 FurryOldGuyJeans
Agree completely.

375 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:18:55am

re: #370 jcm

A few folks from King Co. (D) party went to MN to "help" Franken.

Democrat is now objectively a synonym for criminal.

376 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:18:57am

re: #367 albusteve

I wish some talking head would have the nerve to ask peanut head Carter about that one...be good for some laughs

He's too busy advising Hamas on what they should ask for in return for releasing Gilad Shalit.

377 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:19:07am

re: #370 jcm

A few folks from King Co. (D) party went to MN to "help" Franken.

I am sure Ron Sims was more than happy to share his experience.

378 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:19:11am

Darwin Award nominee:

379 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:19:23am

re: #362 jcm

Latest in the MN vote theft saga.

Ballot Madness: Tipping the Scales in Minnesota's Senate Recount


Welcome to the 3rd world ballot counting.

Hey I found a bunch of ballots all marked "Life sucks. I can't stand it any more. Signed, the Dead Guy." What do I do?

Count 'em for Franken.

380 tigger2005  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:19:31am

I sure miss the old America, where more people changed their minds when presented with undeniable proof, instead of going into hyper-pretzel mode.

381 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:19:34am

re: #362 jcm

Latest in the MN vote theft saga.

Ballot Madness: Tipping the Scales in Minnesota's Senate Recount

Welcome to the 3rd world ballot counting.

In Chicago they'd have just gone ahead and tampered with the ballots before they were counted. Easier to commit the fraud that way. Just as Todd Stroger how he became Cook County Board President.

382 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:19:55am

re: #354 FurryOldGuyJeans

With ACORN being the hidden hand behind so much of the election shenanigans we could say it was just all one event since it was so well coordinated. Add on the FMSM being propagandists of the first water for the Messiah-King to make the fraud much more palatable by making it far less obvious for the masses to notice.

And with that said the Repubs are busy completing the fraud by blaming themselves and wanting to cripple the party by laying blame when on all accounts the republican party did the very BEST it could with the hand given.

383 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:20:25am

Decades ago, I enjoyed NPR. It's morphed into an unabashed, taxpayer funded left-wing propaganda machine. Too bad the GOP lacked the guts to strip them of their government funding entirely.

384 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:20:34am

re: #376 Kosh's Shadow

He's too busy advising Hamas on what they should ask for in return for releasing Gilad Shalit.

I'm sorry but he needs a banana peel under his shoe...

385 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:20:55am

re: #373 Oh no...Sand People!

Do the Republicans in power even care at all about this?

It's going to end up in court.

/what more do you want?

386 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:21:06am

re: #380 tigger2005

I sure miss the old America, where more people changed their minds when presented with undeniable proof, instead of going into hyper-pretzel mode.

When did they ever do that? People have gone into hyper-pretzel mode since water first became wet. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing new under the sun.

387 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:21:06am

re: #381 Honorary Yooper

In Chicago they'd have just gone ahead and tampered with the ballots before they were counted. Easier to commit the fraud that way. Just as Todd Stroger how he became Cook County Board President.

The most dangerous place in the world is the space between a stack of unmarked ballots and a Cook County Democrat.

388 kansas  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:21:25am

Doesn't this really hinge on what the meaning of "Proven" is?

389 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:21:29am

re: #241 Sharmuta

Which is why fox news never gives LGF any credit. The bastards.

And sometimes when I watch Special Report on Fox News, I could swear that they've picked up at least half their stories from LGF. Maybe more than half.

390 Pyrocles  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:21:39am

In Buffalo, the Permanent Grievance Class (PGC) actually has a yearly party known as the Infringement Festival. A yearly festival of artists, lecturers, and shouters celebrating the infringement of their rights.

re: #346 rawmuse

I even have a phrase for them, I call them The Permanent Grievance Class. The Grievance is dead, Long Live the next Grievance.

391 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:21:45am

re: #383 quickjustice

Decades ago, I enjoyed NPR. It's morphed into an unabashed, taxpayer funded left-wing propaganda machine. Too bad the GOP lacked the guts to strip them of their government funding entirely.

The current NPR will be the norm under the 'Fairness Doctrine' for all radio stations.

392 tigger2005  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:21:57am

re: #373 Oh no...Sand People!

Do the Republicans in power even care at all about this?

There are no Republicans in power.

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:22:03am

Ah yes. The reason why I found LGF.

Now y'all have another reason to hate Rather.

394 wiffersnapper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:22:41am

NPR, Considering All Things? I highly doubt it.

395 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:22:49am

re: #390 Pyrocles

In Buffalo, the Permanent Grievance Class (PGC) actually has a yearly party known as the Infringement Festival. A yearly festival of artists, lecturers, and shouters celebrating the infringement of their rights.

Help help, I'm being surpressed.

Did you see that?

396 tigger2005  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:22:58am

re: #386 Honorary Yooper

When did they ever do that? People have gone into hyper-pretzel mode since water first became wet. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing new under the sun.

Note I just said "more" people. Used to be just enough people to keep us from being like the rest of the world.

397 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:23:06am

re: #387 The Other Les

The most dangerous place in the world is the space between a stack of unmarked ballots and a Cook County Democrat.

2004 proved King County wins that distinction now.

398 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:23:14am

re: #385 Killian Bundy

It's going to end up in court.

/what more do you want?

I would like even just the slightest obligatory feigned frustration in the form of a press conference before the next cocktail party they attend.

Is that too much to ask?

399 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:23:29am

re: #242 avanti

Looks like we're in for Camelot II, but with even more media hype. In a way, I feel badly for BHO and his family, especially his cute kids with the modern press use of choppers and long lenses to invade their privacy. It's not like posing for pictures, or a snapshot at a event. Look for one of them caught picking their nose from 500 yards away.
Back in the Kennedy days the press showed some restraint, but with he right photo's bringing big bucks, look for more.

Bet you that the press pretty much leaves the Obama girls alone.

400 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:23:38am

re: #390 Pyrocles

In Buffalo, the Permanent Grievance Class (PGC) actually has a yearly party known as the Infringement Festival. A yearly festival of artists, lecturers, and shouters celebrating the infringement of their rights.

It is a great racket, and it works. They probably have good writers for Grant applications, get all kinds of funding from well meaning Liberal folks, etc.

401 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:23:38am

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah yes. The reason why I found LGF.

Now y'all have another reason to hate Rather.

just dont tell us Dan is a better man than you...:)

402 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:23:48am

Wondering if there's any market for Dan Rather Voo-Doo Dolls on Ebay?

403 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:23:52am

re: #392 tigger2005

There are no Republicans in power.

Oops. Republicans in power of the (R) party.

404 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:24:05am

re: #376 Kosh's Shadow

He's too busy advising Hamas on what they should ask for in return for releasing Gilad Shalit.

Would prefer they send Gene Shalit instead. ;)

405 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:24:10am

re: #357 Peter Verkooijen

LBJ and The Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:24:52am

re: #401 albusteve

just dont tell us Dan is a better man than you...:)

Don't concern yourself with that; however he is better than me in some ways.

407 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:25:12am

re: #371 Lincolntf

How can this stand? The "watchmen" have never before been so obviously in need of being watched.
Somebody tell me there's some realistic legal remedy for this travesty.

In the aftermath of the WA '04 theft of the governorship. The (R)s took it to court. The precedent set, which will no doubt be used in MN is this.

First you have to tie a particular questionable ballot to a particular voter.
That is impossible since we have secret ballots, and mail ballots have two envelopes, the other contains the return address and voter signature, this is verified and the inner envelope is unmarked and goes in the counting piles, so it's disassociated from the voter.

Second, once a voter is identified for a particular questioned ballot. That voter must on the stand in court wave their 5th Amend right and testify to and admit to vote fraud.

This essentially puts court challenges as a complete waste of time.

408 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:25:19am

re: #394 wiffersnapper

NPR, Considering All Things? I highly doubt it.

All Things Obfuscated.

409 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:25:28am

re: #111 Killian Bundy

Seattle refuses to use salt; roads "snow packed" by design


/moonbat priorities, environment trumps human lives

And salt on the roads might pollute Puget Sound's SALT water! Oh, the horror!
///

410 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:25:46am

re: #380 tigger2005

I sure miss the old America, where more people changed their minds when presented with undeniable proof, instead of going into hyper-pretzel mode.

I call that "pretzel logic".

411 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:25:46am

re: #249 doriangrey

Thomas Jefferson was the secret owner of some kind of radical newspaper, IIRC.

412 BigMac  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:26:00am

Who are you going to believe? Dan Rather or your lyin' eyes?

413 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:26:22am

re: #397 FurryOldGuyJeans

2004 proved King County wins that distinction now.

Oh, the Cook County crowd should be back in form shortly.

414 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:27:04am

OK, off topic and maybe posted already today, but here is the Media Research Center's top quotes of the year.

Quote of the Year
Co-anchor Chris Matthews: “I have to tell you, you know, it’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My — I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.
”Co-anchor Keith Olbermann: “Steady.”
Matthews: “No, seriously. It’s a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment.”
— Exchange during MSNBC’s coverage of the Virginia, Maryland and Washington D.C. primaries, February 12.

Objective? Hah!
Some are funny and some are down right scary.

415 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:27:12am

re: #408 debutaunt

"Small Things Considered"

416 AndyMacOP  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:27:26am

re: #4 coquimbojoe

I love the smell of throbbing memo in the morning.

It's a Christmas Miracle! The throbbing memo puts a smile on my face every time.

The throbbing memo is proof of evolution. From a PC, MSWord, a printer and an absolute lie {morph time}---> to an absolute truth and proof that W is a pathetic loser. Rather and company have no shame at all. Is there any wonder why people constantly deny what is painfully obvious.

I think I will write a Christmas song:

It throbbed upon a midnight clear
to hear Dan Rather scream...

417 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:27:28am

re: #356 doppelganglander

The press won't need long lenses or helicopters. The Obamas seem to have no problem putting their girls on display on carefully selected occasions (i.e. anytime it serves to polish their image). Remember that "spontaneous" birthday party for his daughter in Montana? It was staged for a film to be used at the convention.

OK, time for taking the contrary side. While I agree Obama used his cute kids, he was not alone. If you recall, Palin passed Trig around at every event for a photo opp. They flew in the father of her teenage daughter's illegitimate kid as some sort of hero and more. They made the point that the dad was marrying the daughter at the time, but I missed the wedding. It's politics, pure and simple. Dogs, kids and babies, good PR and not a left right issue.
Having said that, Obama was a lot better at the PR spin then McCain, much of it over the top even for me.

418 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:27:32am

re: #412 BigMac

Who are you going to believe? Dan Rather or your lyin' eyes?

Seriously. I always go back to "Mars Attacks" where the aliens have megaphones and are spouting, "We come in peace!" as they are making mincemeat of the populace by blasting them with their lasers.

It's the INTENTION that counts!

419 Lincolntf  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:27:35am

re: #407 jcm

I was afraid of something like that. So I guess that means I live in a world where Al Franken can be a United States Senator.

420 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:27:46am

re: #409 Cygnus

And salt on the roads might pollute Puget Sound's SALT water! Oh, the horror!
///

Having see cars in areas where salt is used, my auto body is thankful.
semi/

421 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:27:52am

Georgia: Police to get sensitivity training after arrest of headscarf wearer.


Oh joy...:(

422 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:28:09am

re: #411 itellu3times

Thomas Jefferson was the secret owner of some kind of radical newspaper, IIRC.

Alexander Hamilton founded the NY Post. A clear statement to be guided by his legacy would be a start for rebuilding the Republican party. Perhaps we can form a Hamiltonian Society?

423 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:28:23am

re: #392 tigger2005

Until January 20, that's not correct, but that assumes that President Bush remains a Republican after commencing the nationalization of U.S. industry.

424 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:28:25am

re: #357 Peter Verkooijen

Let's also not forget Woodrow Wilson in there. He was much admired by Mussolini for his actions during WWI in controlling the press and clamping down on dissent. Almost everything the moonbats accuse George W. Bush of doing, Wilson himself did do during and after WWI.

And it was Wilsonites who populated FDR's cabinet and administration (including FDR himself) and gave us the Rotten New Deal.

Remind anyone of anything current? A former administration providing people for an incoming administration?

425 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:28:45am

re: #419 Lincolntf

I was afraid of something like that. So I guess that means I live in a world where Al Franken can be a United States Senator.

Ayn Rand could not write in something so ridiculous in her worst nightmares.

426 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:28:54am

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah yes. The reason why I found LGF.

Now y'all have another reason to hate Rather.

I oughta' kick your butt.

427 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:29:02am

re: #369 realwest

You're right. Every predator needs a sucker. Combining the CRA, massive illegal immigration, virtual illiteracy and innumeracy among the native born, and general greed and stupidity all around, the crisis was almost inevitable. The NYT got one thing right in that hit piece on Bush and the mortgage crisis: Home ownership for all is NOT an achievable or even desirable goal.

428 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:29:21am

re: #150 FurryOldGuyJeans

Greg Nickels, the mayor of the Socialist Republic of Seattle, thinks he can repeal the laws of physics, nature, and economics to achieve that communist Utopia.

This is the same guy who wants to ban all handguns from city property and all plastic water bottles from stores.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:30:05am

re: #426 MandyManners

Now that you know I have eaten family, our relationship seems to have changed.

/

430 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:30:06am

re: #329 Charles

I think the fraud still would have been exposed. It might not have been so immediately obvious, but there are still HUGE differences between typewriter output and word processor output, even if you use a typewriter font like Courier.

Line breaks, for example, since typewriters didn't have automatic word wrap -- the typist could choose to manually hyphenate a word, or to release the right-margin stop to let the last one or two letters of a long word extend a little into the margin.

431 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:31:34am

re: #428 Cygnus

This is the same guy who wants to ban all handguns from city property and all plastic water bottles from stores.


Same jackass who wrote to the kids if they didn't their parents to use CFL bulbs Santa would drown. Same brain dead moron who wants to make downtown Seattle car free.

432 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:32:09am

re: #291 jcm
AMEN! And that is also part of the problem facing certain "immigrants" today - they don't want to assimilate, to become Americans, but they want all that America affords those who EARN IT.

The whole concept of individual Responsibility is almost already out the door - thank you Democrats.

433 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:32:29am

re: #419 Lincolntf

Why not elect a second-rate left-wing comedian to the U.S. Senate? He can join the Illinois Senator who bought and paid for his seat, or the N.Y. Senator, whose DNA guaranteed her the job. In the past, Minnesotans were more serious about their elected officials. Then they elected "the Body" as their governor.

Do any of these people understand how ridiculous they are? If they weren't wielding real power, they'd simply be absurd.

434 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:32:41am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now that you know I have eaten family, our relationship seems to have changed.

/

*snicker*

435 apb1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:33:12am

Way to go, Charles -

Your proof of the fraud was outstanding - shame that the shitheels at NPR refuse to recognize their superiors, and continue to hang with gutter trash.

Merry Christmas!

436 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:33:24am

re: #414 Ford_Prefect

OK, off topic and maybe posted already today, but here is the Media Research Center's top quotes of the year.

Quote of the Year
Co-anchor Chris Matthews: “I have to tell you, you know, it’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My — I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.
”Co-anchor Keith Olbermann: “Steady.”
Matthews: “No, seriously. It’s a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment.”
— Exchange during MSNBC’s coverage of the Virginia, Maryland and Washington D.C. primaries, February 12.

Objective? Hah!
Some are funny and some are down right scary.


And that is all that matters.
/

437 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:33:48am

re: #417 avanti

OK, time for taking the contrary side. While I agree Obama used his cute kids, he was not alone. If you recall, Palin passed Trig around at every event for a photo opp. They flew in the father of her teenage daughter's illegitimate kid as some sort of hero and more. They made the point that the dad was marrying the daughter at the time, but I missed the wedding. It's politics, pure and simple. Dogs, kids and babies, good PR and not a left right issue.
Having said that, Obama was a lot better at the PR spin then McCain, much of it over the top even for me.

Sure, both sides do it. My point was just that the press won't have to lurk around like the paparazzi pack on Britney Spears, hoping for a clear shot. The Obamas will make it easy for them, as long as they can keep control of the image. Considering what sycophants are in the press corps, it should work out swimmingly for them.

438 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:33:58am

re: #110 jcm

News this morning the female anchors were having a Obasim.

He looks like he needs a man-bra. Ick.

439 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:34:44am

Checking out to go wrap my wife's presents, wish me luck and less cursing at the tape dispenser, the ribbons, and the paper that tears than last year.

Red-Blooded male lizards might want to stop at this joint next time they are in Chandler AZ:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

440 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:35:04am

re: #265 realwest

Excellent post buzz - truly excellent. But when King was marching for Open Housing, it was much different than the burdens placed on lenders by the Community Reinvestment Act.
For me, the CRA put the final nail in the coffin of a lot of American's dreams of "owning their own home."

The original CRA (Carter Admin.) was passed to address geographic redlining. Probably a worthwhile thing. Then, during the Clinton admin. it was redefined (at the request of Jesse Jackson, ACORN, et al) to include "economic" redlining, initially to address the fact that minority loan applicants tended to have far fewer financial assets (savings, etc.) than non-minority applicants with similar incomes. Finally, the floodgates were opened for any minority applicants, regardless of income, assets, or general creditworthiness. Once that happened, the whole world became eligible for the sub-prime mortgages we now have to deal with. As far as I'm concerned, the whole sub-prime mortgage mess can be laid at the feet of the Democrats.

441 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:35:07am

I wonder if we're going to get a Festivus thread?

442 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:35:15am

re: #422 lifeofthemind

Alexander Hamilton founded the NY Post. A clear statement to be guided by his legacy would be a start for rebuilding the Republican party. Perhaps we can form a Hamiltonian Society?

I'm in.

443 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:35:26am

re: #351 lifeofthemind

Charles I believe that you have been subjected to a real slanderous attack. You reputation, your income rests largely on the work you did in exposing this fraud. By attacking the credibility of arguments about Rather's evidence for his story they are attacking you. Have you talked to a lawyer about this? If Rather and the NPR have deliberately conspired to defame you then you should be able to sue them.

That's some argument. As much as I despise both NPR & Rather, I don't think they are conspiring to defame Charles. Defending themselves and their actions, maybe. Rewriting history to benefit themselves, surely. But conspiring to defame Charles, unlikely.

444 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:35:36am

re: #436 Oh no...Sand People!

And that is all that matters.
/

Feelings!

445 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:35:45am

re: #414 Ford_Prefect

OK, off topic and maybe posted already today, but here is the Media Research Center's top quotes of the year.

Quote of the Year
Co-anchor Chris Matthews: “I have to tell you, you know, it’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My — I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.
”Co-anchor Keith Olbermann: “Steady.”
Matthews: “No, seriously. It’s a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment.”
— Exchange during MSNBC’s coverage of the Virginia, Maryland and Washington D.C. primaries, February 12.

Objective? Hah!
Some are funny and some are down right scary.

He talks about tingles and feelings yet claims that's objective?!

446 ggt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:35:46am

Good Afternoon Lizards! It's Blizzard -ing in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

Well, only two shopping days left until Christmas. If I mailed something today Priority Mail, do you think it will make it into Santa's Sleigh?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

(BTW, did I tell you that I think Dan Rather is a sad creature?)

447 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:36:12am

re: #231 Honorary Yooper

We don't use salt, we ride the bus.

/Never mind the bus rides on roads that need to be cleared.

During the November snowstorm two years ago, I was stuck on a bus for 7 frickin' hours! Hell on wheels.

448 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:36:38am

OT: Quick and easy Thai soup...
1 quart chicken stock
rice noodles
green curry past ( contains chillies, ginger, lemon grass, etc)

heat stock in pan, add noodles. Cook 5-6 minutes. add 1 teaspoon curry paste. garnish with cilantro and basil (optional)
You can also add some veggies and sliced pork, chicken, or beef is you have some laying around.

449 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:37:19am

re: #438 Cygnus

He looks like he needs a man-bra. Ick.

We have a studly man instead of the flabbly white oil Texan in the WH!
Rejoice we are saved.

///

Going wash my mind out, then sterilize my computer after that!

450 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:37:40am

re: #437 doppelganglander

Sure, both sides do it. My point was just that the press won't have to lurk around like the paparazzi pack on Britney Spears, hoping for a clear shot. The Obamas will make it easy for them, as long as they can keep control of the image. Considering what sycophants are in the press corps, it should work out swimmingly for them.

During his lifetime FDR was never photographed in his wheelchair. And as far as I can tell even the enemy propagandists didn't make an issue of it. (Of course I may be mistaken on that.)

451 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:37:55am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

I think that should read "paste" (as opposed to "past")...

452 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:02am

Yo DAN -

You were COLD BUSTED - Own it and Live with it. You had wiggle room to say you were duped by sources, and apologize. You blew that chance AND your credibility. The rest is history.

-S-

453 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:10am

re: #439 Thanos

Checking out to go wrap my wife's presents, wish me luck and less cursing at the tape dispenser, the ribbons, and the paper that tears than last year.

Red-Blooded male lizards might want to stop at this joint next time they are in Chandler AZ:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Don't fret the cursing. When I was a wee lass, I thought that the name of the Christmas tree was "damn tree". Thanks, Dad!

454 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:23am
455 Silvergirl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:25am

re: #439 Thanos

Checking out to go wrap my wife's presents, wish me luck and less cursing at the tape dispenser, the ribbons, and the paper that tears than last year.

Red-Blooded male lizards might want to stop at this joint next time they are in Chandler AZ:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

That one-handed Duck brand invisible tape dealy saved part of my mind this year. Comes in a 2 pack. Nice.

456 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:28am

re: #451 J.S.

PIMF
/I stink

457 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:34am

re: #362 jcm
I really hate to say this, and mean no offense to Minn. lizards, but Minnesota is looking more and more like a freakin' banana republic.

458 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:34am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

OT: Quick and easy Thai soup...
1 quart chicken stock
rice noodles
green curry past ( contains chillies, ginger, lemon grass, etc)

heat stock in pan, add noodles. Cook 5-6 minutes. add 1 teaspoon curry paste. garnish with cilantro and basil (optional)
You can also add some veggies and sliced pork, chicken, or beef is you have some laying around.

Cruel, your a cruel man KT...
Sounds yummy especially with the temperatures outside.

459 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:34am

re: #445 MandyManners

He talks about tingles and feelings yet claims that's objective?!

Dante should have a place for him for all the damage he does to the country there.

460 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:35am

Not to go OT or nothing but I am getting amusement out of the Left attacking Caroline Kennedy. Huff and Puff Post is nearly beside itself trying to paint Caroline negatively. My theory is that they almost have to after what they wrote about Sarah Palin. Any other theories out there?

461 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:42am

re: #445 MandyManners

He talks about tingles and feelings yet claims that's objective?!

Here's another good one.

The Obamagasm Award

“Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope...Barack Hussein Obama did not win because of the color of his skin. Nor did he win in spite of it. He won because at a very dangerous moment in the life of a still young country, more people than have ever spoken before came together to try to save it. And that was a victory all its own.”
— Time’s Nancy Gibbs, Nov. 17 cover story.

462 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:53am

re: #431 jcm

Same jackass who wrote to the kids if they didn't their parents to use CFL bulbs Santa would drown. Same brain dead moron who wants to make downtown Seattle car free.

Same craphead that thinks Seattle's and King County's fair share of state transportation funds is more money coming in than was paid in taxes by a good chunk. Same pinhead that touted the anti-smoking laws as good for the city and its residents and yet complained not enough people were smoking when the tax revenues plummeted.

463 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:39:02am

Time to take out my political frustrations on a shovel, a driveway, and some snow.

later all,

Merry Christmas.

464 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:39:06am

Whoops, meant to say that the last link I posted is an example of the type of reporting that CBS still does well, maybe they should stick to it.

465 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

OT: Quick and easy Thai soup...
1 quart chicken stock
rice noodles
green curry past ( contains chillies, ginger, lemon grass, etc)

heat stock in pan, add noodles. Cook 5-6 minutes. add 1 teaspoon curry paste. garnish with cilantro and basil (optional)
You can also add some veggies and sliced pork, chicken, or beef is you have some laying around.

Fat Bastard had some under his stairs when he was a kid!

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:39:11am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

Here's a nice soup recipe...

Open can, add water (read directions first!) pour into microwavable bowl...heat... (careful, contents HOT!) add crackers (if needed). Enjoy.

467 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:39:27am

re: #433 quickjustice

Why not elect a second-rate left-wing comedian to the U.S. Senate? He can join the Illinois Senator who bought and paid for his seat, or the N.Y. Senator, whose DNA guaranteed her the job. In the past, Minnesotans were more serious about their elected officials. Then they elected "the Body" as their governor.

Do any of these people understand how ridiculous they are? If they weren't wielding real power, they'd simply be absurd.

This is the point where I should jump in and defend Franken, but I'm as confused as the rest of you. Was the Republican that weak a candidate or were the voters determined that they were going to vote Dem regardless of the candidate ? BTW, I never vote a straight ticket, and don't get this race being close.

468 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:39:51am

re: #442 doppelganglander

Count me in. But I'm not dueling anyone with anything stronger than a banana cream pie at 30 feet.

469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:39:56am

re: #451 J.S.

I think that should read "paste" (as opposed to "past")...

No, it's Christmas. The Ghost of Green Curry Past!

470 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:40:02am

re: #460 Big Steve

Not to go OT or nothing but I am getting amusement out of the Left attacking Caroline Kennedy. Huff and Puff Post is nearly beside itself trying to paint Caroline negatively. My theory is that they almost have to after what they wrote about Sarah Palin. Any other theories out there?

They got Hillary's ear maybe?

471 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:40:05am

re: #454 buzzsawmonkey

Every day is Festivus here; we have the Airing of Grievances, and the Feats of (analytical) Strength. Every thread is its own Festivus Pole.

SCROOGE!

472 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:40:12am

re: #454 buzzsawmonkey

Every day is Festivus here; we have the Airing of Grievances, and the Feats of (analytical) Strength. Every thread is its own Festivus Pole.

Just as long as there are no women named Candy with super-high heels and thongs hanging around...

473 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:40:16am

re: #457 realwest

I really hate to say this, and mean no offense to Minn. lizards, but Minnesota is looking more and more like a freakin' banana republic.

HA! They only stole a measly Senate Seat. WA they stole the whole governorship!
Amateurs!
//

474 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:40:40am

re: #470 unrealizedviewpoint

They got Hillary's ear maybe?

as in taking direction from..

475 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:40:42am

re: #468 EmmmieG

I like pie. Wish someone would hit me with a coconut cream pie about right now.

476 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:40:53am
477 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:40:53am

re: #459 Ojoe

Dante should have a place for him for all the damage he does to the country there.

What do MSNBC's ratings look like compared to FNC's ratings?

478 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:41:09am

re: #435 apb1

Way to go, Charles -

Your proof of the fraud was outstanding - shame that the shitheels at NPR refuse to recognize their superiors, and continue to hang with gutter trash.

Merry Christmas!

They recognize it, just refuse to acknowledge it or redouble their efforts to do better to overcome the deficiency. Lazy and lying, thy name is FMSM.

479 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:41:34am

re: #461 Ford_Prefect

Here's another good one.

The Obamagasm Award

“Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope...Barack Hussein Obama did not win because of the color of his skin. Nor did he win in spite of it. He won because at a very dangerous moment in the life of a still young country, more people than have ever spoken before came together to try to save it. And that was a victory all its own.”
— Time’s Nancy Gibbs, Nov. 17 cover story.

I feel much dumber after reading that.

480 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:41:37am

re: #457 realwest

I really hate to say this, and mean no offense to Minn. lizards, but Minnesota is looking more and more like a freakin' banana republic.

Palm trees with 15 feet of drifting snow, I like it...:)

481 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:41:39am

re: #475 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*splat*

482 Spar Kling  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:41:56am

The first time I ever (accidentally) tuned into NPR, I thought it was a dry political satire! I was entertained at their hilarious way that they ridiculed the vacuous rationalizations of the socialist Left. Then it dawned on me that they were serious.

There's a huge difference between intense political, religious, or scientific disagreement and blatant propaganda. Honest disagreement is due to different values, presuppositions, world views, paradigms, priorities, and interpretation of "facts." I respect this kind of debate.

In contrast, the propaganda spewed out by NPR and the old media is now increasingly obvious as the deliberate distortion of facts and events, ad hominem attacks, misquotes, scoffing, and lies used simply to manipulate people to a viewpoint for a hidden purpose.

Thus, I think the Rathergate document should be widely and repeatedly published as an excellent example of the on-going propaganda war being waged by the unrepentent media against the American people.

-sk

483 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:42:10am

re: #380 tigger2005

I sure miss the old America, where more people changed their minds when presented with undeniable proof, instead of going into hyper-pretzel mode.

everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone's opinion matters
/
(now my head is spinning)

484 ggt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:42:15am

Our unelected 4th branch of government refuses to acknowedge that Freedom of Speech includes the voters.

485 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:42:25am
486 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:42:28am

re: #479 MandyManners

I feel much dumber after reading that.

Obama aint no prince.

487 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:42:37am

re: #470 unrealizedviewpoint

They got Hillary's ear maybe?

That could be. I have wondered how Hillary felt about Kennedy's in general after Ted abandoned her and Caroline went off the reservation.

488 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:42:59am

re: #461 Ford_Prefect

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

489 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:43:00am

re: #476 buzzsawmonkey

I think OR would insist that we do.

And, Dirk. Peacekeeper, too.

490 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:43:02am

re: #458 jcm

The fountain in my pond has frozen into giant 6 foot tall block of ice. The humming birds could hear the water flowing inside and have been trying to figure out how to get a drink. I went out with a propane torch and melted a hole in the top so they could get a drink. Within 15 minutes I had 7-10 humming birds zooming around chirping and clicking like crazy. Quite a sight on such a snowy day.

491 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:43:06am

re: #467 avanti

This is the point where I should jump in and defend Franken, but I'm as confused as the rest of you. Was the Republican that weak a candidate or were the voters determined that they were going to vote Dem regardless of the candidate ? BTW, I never vote a straight ticket, and don't get this race being close.

When the Senate turns into a joke then you need a bad comedy writer to get elected to it.
/

492 ggt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:43:51am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

The fountain in my pond has frozen into giant 6 foot tall block of ice. The humming birds could hear the water flowing inside and have been trying to figure out how to get a drink. I went out with a propane torch and melted a hole in the top so they could get a drink. Within 15 minutes I had 7-10 humming birds zooming around chirping and clicking like crazy. Quite a sight on such a snowy day.

How cool is that! Do you have one of those special camera gadgets that would allow to get to a picture of them?

493 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:43:55am

re: #485 buzzsawmonkey

Imagine how dumb you would feel if you'd written it.

What? And bruise my brain?

494 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:44:22am

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a tough time enjoying canned soup since I started making my own chicken stock. Waaay too much salt in canned soups for my taste.

495 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:44:24am

re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama aint no prince.

In the realm between his two ears he is.

496 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:44:30am

OT - I am so damn proud, my youngest nephew just bagged his first deer, with a 50 cal muzzle loader. Just got the pics.

497 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:44:44am

re: #439 Thanos

An 8,000 calorie burger,that's livin.

498 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:44:46am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

OT: Quick and easy Thai soup...
1 quart chicken stock
rice noodles
green curry past ( contains chillies, ginger, lemon grass, etc)

heat stock in pan, add noodles. Cook 5-6 minutes. add 1 teaspoon curry paste. garnish with cilantro and basil (optional)
You can also add some veggies and sliced pork, chicken, or beef is you have some laying around.

I love Vague Soup - toss in whatever leftovers are hanging around.

499 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:44:56am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

The fountain in my pond has frozen into giant 6 foot tall block of ice. The humming birds could hear the water flowing inside and have been trying to figure out how to get a drink. I went out with a propane torch and melted a hole in the top so they could get a drink. Within 15 minutes I had 7-10 humming birds zooming around chirping and clicking like crazy. Quite a sight on such a snowy day.

Awww.

*smoochies*

500 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:00am

re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama aint no prince.

But He will soon be anointed and crowned as Our Messiah-King, so prince might have been His exercise of such stellar power in the Office of the Presidential Elect.

501 tackle  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:04am

re: #213 godfrey

Drudge put his picture up against Putin's. Heh. When will Obama get his pet tiger?

Yes, you can vote for the better pecs. I can't bring myself to vote. Nevermind, I'll just vote "present".

502 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:07am
503 Cygnus  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:09am

re: #378 Thanos

Darwin Award nominee:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

"This week on Extreme Home Makeover..."

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:19am

re: #481 EmmmieG

WTF?! That sugar free!?

505 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:24am

re: #487 Big Steve

That could be. I have wondered how Hillary felt about Kennedy's in general after Ted abandoned her and Caroline went off the reservation.

Do we want Caroline?
Can Rudy beat Caroline?

506 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:33am

You gotta hear the song parody "Feed Caroline" sung by 'al sharpton' on Rush. LOL

507 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:36am

re: #437 doppelganglander

Sure, both sides do it. My point was just that the press won't have to lurk around like the paparazzi pack on Britney Spears, hoping for a clear shot. The Obamas will make it easy for them, as long as they can keep control of the image. Considering what sycophants are in the press corps, it should work out swimmingly for them.

I agree, look for the kids playing with the new puppy coverage on all the channels. Obama is a master at promotion, I'm not going to try and spin that.

508 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:45:57am

re: #480 Dustyvet

Palm trees with 15 feet of drifting snow, I like it...:)

Minnesota has always been a wee strange:

Land of the liberal loon, 10,000 treatment centers.

and State Troopers drive maroon cars:

Image: MSPO9.jpeg

509 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:46:02am

re: #493 MandyManners

What? And bruise my brain?

Writing like that requires total removal, no bruising needed.

510 coloradobuff  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:46:02am

Why don't they just give it up already? Insinuating the memo is real is even worse than the "fake but accurate" doctrine. Pushing this line seems dangerous to me. Most of the media will continue to be Rather's friend, but my guess is that CBS will have no choice but to present all evidence of the fraud to support the firing, thus possibly destroying what is left of Rather's reputation.

511 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:46:21am

Instalanche incoming ...

(The new server isn't even slowing down. Heh.)

512 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:46:24am

re: #502 buzzsawmonkey

No, I don't think that's such a good idea. It's all right to "brews" your brain with the occasional beer, though.

It's better to pour it on my hair.

513 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:46:33am

re: #492 ggt

I do have a digital camera, I'll try to get a shot of them when they come back. It's weird that you can't see their colors when it's really overcast, they appear dark brown or black in low light. You can only see the bright colors in sunlight.

514 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:46:50am

Must eat. bbiaw

515 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:47:05am

re: #504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WTF?! That sugar free!?

I don't do sugar free. That was the special oregon strawberry and huckleberry surprise.

516 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:47:15am
517 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:47:18am

re: #499 MandyManners

It's a Festivus miracle!

518 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:47:55am

Glenn linked us!

519 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:47:59am

re: #440 Son of the Black Dog Spot On. The CRA CREATED SUB-PRIME mortgages in the first place.
The sub-prime market was the "brain" child of idiots on "Wall Street" who bundled hundreds if not thousands of those sub-prime mortgages into pools, with which to guarantee repayment of bonds those Wall Street folks conjured up.
Yeah, thanks a lot DEMOCRATS - you gave HOPE to the lower middle class and the poor, who are now faced with foreclosure and probably eviction - not taking away their resposibilies as ADULTS for their own actions - but the DEMOCRATS are truly at the bottom of this frickin' mess.

520 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:48:01am
521 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:48:32am

re: #467 avanti

This is the point where I should jump in and defend Franken, but I'm as confused as the rest of you. Was the Republican that weak a candidate or were the voters determined that they were going to vote Dem regardless of the candidate ? BTW, I never vote a straight ticket, and don't get this race being close.

Norm Colman was originally a Democrat when he was Major of St. Paul. He switched parties in order to run for Governor against Jesse Ventura and Skip Humphrey1. Lost that of course and won the Senate seat after Paul Wellstone died in a aviation mishap.

So a case could be for saying that Norm is a RINO.


1. Comrade Skippy was about one black leather trench-coat short of being a proper Soviet thug.

522 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:48:36am

re: #516 Charles

He put up the throbbing memo too. Heh.

523 JacksonTn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:48:44am

re: #513 Killgore Trout

I do have a digital camera, I'll try to get a shot of them when they come back. It's weird that you can't see their colors when it's really overcast, they appear dark brown or black in low light. You can only see the bright colors in sunlight.

Killgore ..Hummingbirds are my favorite ...I have so many feeders in my yard at the farms ...I could watch them for hours ...they come back every year ...they can be really devils to each other ...the ones with the red on their throats are the meanest at my house ...

524 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:48:45am

re: #479 MandyManners

I feel much dumber after reading that.

They just keep getting dumber.

Politics of Meaninglessness Award for the Silliest Analysis

“Not doing it [fighting global warming] will be catastrophic. We’ll be eight degrees hotter in ten, not ten but 30 or 40 years, and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. Civilization will have broken down.”
— CNN founder Ted Turner on PBS’s Charlie Rose, April 1.

525 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:48:46am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

What a nice image, Killgore!

526 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:49:14am

re: #520 buzzsawmonkey

Haiku!

527 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:49:15am

re: #511 Charles

Instalanche incoming ...

(The new server isn't even slowing down. Heh.)

Charles: Did the issue of that website using your logo get resolved to your satisfaction?

528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:49:18am

re: #516 Charles

Holy Crap!

I don't know what that meant. But, Holy Crap!

Oh Holy Crap
The liberal press is whiiining.

529 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:49:19am

re: #500 FurryOldGuyJeans

CNN's schedule for Dec 24 and Dec 25 features Christian stories/docs, and the mockumentary -- "Obama Revealed" (Obama/Messiah will be aired on both the 24 and 25th)... coincidence?

530 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:49:24am

re: #506 newsjunkie_ky

You gotta hear the song parody "Feed Caroline" sung by 'al sharpton' on Rush. LOL


Found it on youtube. give it a minute to start the song.

531 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:49:34am

re: #516 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wow - thats cool!

532 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:49:40am

re: #480 Dustyvet

Palm trees with 15 feet of drifting snow, I like it...:)

There are office buildings with palm trees inside.

533 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:49:54am

Throbbing memo instalanche.
excellent.

534 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:50:26am

re: #461 Ford_Prefect

Here's another good one.

The Obamagasm Award

“Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope...Barack Hussein Obama did not win because of the color of his skin. Nor did he win in spite of it. He won because at a very dangerous moment in the life of a still young country, more people than have ever spoken before came together to try to save it. And that was a victory all its own.”
— Time’s Nancy Gibbs, Nov. 17 cover story.

Okay, Obama is the Messiah. We won't going into that particular mental illness, putting that much faith and hope in a Marxist Chicago Machine Pol. Political naif.

Dangerous moment? Revolution, a Civil War, two World Wars, the depression. This is dangerous? This is POLITICAL MALFEASANCE! It at it's worst it's a monumental pain in the ass, but dangerous? Dipwap biggest risk in life is eating an orange from the store with out washing it. Economic illiterate.

Still young country? Other countries may be older, but ours is longest existing form of government on the planet right now. The world is coming around to our way of doing things. Historical ignoramus.

GAH! Stupidity on display for all to see.

535 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:50:32am

re: #511 Charles

Instalanche incoming ...

(The new server isn't even slowing down. Heh.)

Here's to hoping for a drudge link! ;)

536 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:50:36am

re: #523 JacksonTn

They aren't timid birds. I don't seem to bother them and they sometimes buzz right up to me to check me out.

537 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:02am

re: #461 Ford_Prefect

Here's another good one.

The Obamagasm Award

“Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope...Barack Hussein Obama did not win because of the color of his skin. Nor did he win in spite of it. He won because at a very dangerous moment in the life of a still young country, more people than have ever spoken before came together to try to save it. And that was a victory all its own.”
— Time’s Nancy Gibbs, Nov. 17 cover story.

All around the globe evil men read that blew their noses and said OK, give it a try.

538 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:08am

re: #520 buzzsawmonkey

You need to break that up into metered lines, with perhaps a rhyme or two.

Very slightly edited, it's a poem.

Perhaps a haiku,
Then we could all enjoy it,
that would be quite nice.

539 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:09am

re: #511 Charles
Charles - can you tell where it's coming from?!

540 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:22am

Fart be it from me to deny Rather his day in court.

/just giving him air time

541 MadJadBad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:34am

re: #319 Dianna

So far as I can tell, Rather actually was attacked, and the fellow who did it may have attacked others.

In any case, "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" shouldn't be attributed to Rather.

The "What's the frequency, Kenneth" mystery was solved a while ago. It was some nutcase that should have been institutionalized.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

542 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:38am

re: #532 The Other Les

There are office buildings with palm trees inside.

But there plastic...:) but then so's Frankin...

543 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:56am

re: #405 bulwrk

LBJ and The Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

In years past the great unwashed masses, (Yup that's us), had no advocate. No one we could turn to for the truth. No one we could turn to to champion our causes. That has changed with the advent of the internet age, we now have people like Charles Johnson who can, will and do take up a rallying call for the truth, who can expose the lies and deceptions of the self appointed elitist bastard guardians of the truth known as the MSM.

This rewrite of history isn't so much about white washing Dan Rather's fraud as it is about writing the likes of Charles Johnson and the other citizen journalists out of the public narrative. As the peer reviewed paper on this subject clearly pointed out Charles and his fellow citizen journalists represent a paradigm shift in power and influence, something that threatens the MSM and therefore must be attacked and destroyed.

544 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:57am

re: #524 Ford_Prefect

They just keep getting dumber.

Politics of Meaninglessness Award for the Silliest Analysis

“Not doing it [fighting global warming] will be catastrophic. We’ll be eight degrees hotter in ten, not ten but 30 or 40 years, and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. Civilization will have broken down.”
— CNN founder Ted Turner on PBS’s Charlie Rose, April 1.

Anyone who goes and marries Hanoi Jane ought not be trusted in what he says or does, IMHO.

545 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:58am

re: #517 Killgore Trout

It's a Festivus miracle!

Shine some light on 'em so we can see the red and green coloring!

546 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:51:58am

re: #524 Ford_Prefect

They just keep getting dumber.

Politics of Meaninglessness Award for the Silliest Analysis

“Not doing it [fighting global warming] will be catastrophic. We’ll be eight degrees hotter in ten, not ten but 30 or 40 years, and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. Civilization will have broken down.”
— CNN founder Ted Turner on PBS’s Charlie Rose, April 1.

Goodness gracious me - we're doomed, I say, we're all doomed!

/what a frickin idiot!

547 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:52:03am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

The fountain in my pond has frozen into giant 6 foot tall block of ice. The humming birds could hear the water flowing inside and have been trying to figure out how to get a drink. I went out with a propane torch and melted a hole in the top so they could get a drink. Within 15 minutes I had 7-10 humming birds zooming around chirping and clicking like crazy. Quite a sight on such a snowy day.

That's good, my MIL keeps a humming bird feeder and water under the eves close to a window, just enough warming to keep it from freezing. They hang out there all the time.

548 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:52:30am

re: #536 Killgore Trout

They aren't timid birds. I don't seem to bother them and they sometimes buzz right up to me to check me out.

Saw the post about the torch on the ice.
I'd LOVE to see this!

549 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:53:21am

re: #516 Charles
WOW!

550 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:53:23am

re: #529 J.S.

CNN's schedule for Dec 24 and Dec 25 features Christian stories/docs, and the mockumentary -- "Obama Revealed" (Obama/Messiah will be aired on both the 24 and 25th)... coincidence?

Not at all...the FMSM has their New King.

551 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:53:52am

re: #461 Ford_Prefect

Here's another good one.

The Obamagasm Award

“Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope...Barack Hussein Obama did not win because of the color of his skin. Nor did he win in spite of it. He won because at a very dangerous moment in the life of a still young country, more people than have ever spoken before came together to try to save it. And that was a victory all its own.”
— Time’s Nancy Gibbs, Nov. 17 cover story.

Gawd, was the original written with chapter and verse markings? For lo, unto us this day was elected in the City of Washington a Savior, which is Barack the O.

552 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:54:07am

The ship is starting to vibrate from the incoming tidal wave.

Captain I no be sure she can handle the strain.

553 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:54:53am

re: #516 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It's just your deserts.

/hmmm ... how'd that go again ... ?

554 Buck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:55:07am

re: #539 realwest

Charles - can you tell where it's coming from?!

Instalanche means Instapundit

555 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:55:47am

Well all y'all - at the slight risk I may not be able to get back in cause of the Instalanche, I still gotta go eat lunch!
I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

And Charles - thanks again.

556 Sunlight  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:56:23am

OT An interesting report:
Task force: Military training, money needed to prevent genocide

I'm wondering if the Holocaust Foundation will call in the URJ (Reform) and USCJ (Conservative) organizations in order to call to their attention that serving as Democrat Party PACs is not as important as stopping slaughters when we can. And that their holier-than-thou pacifism and military sliming may help them avoid doing military service themselves (or their kids), but it does not meet the criteria put forward in this report for preventing genocide using military resources.

You notice that they put all lefties on the panel, and they STILL came to the conclusion that the military needs to be the main method of stopping slaughters. But of course, the Holocaust Museum waits until after the election to release the report, perhaps putting their own role as yet another Dem Party PAC ahead of their anti-genocide mission. I'll also be interested to see whether they acknowledge that stopping the mass graves and paper shredder dictator in Iraq was a worthy enterprise, according to the genocide prevention mission.

I am very disillusioned with these people.

557 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:57:14am

Charles, the work you've done on the site is MUCH admired!
*salute*

/kills an old hardware fart's soul to compliment software, but it's deserved!

558 bushleague  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:58:06am

I just wanted to share how happy the throbbing memo makes me. It cracks me up that the MSM and lesser lights, such as NPR, give this any credence.

559 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:58:15am

Oppsie...

Russia's missile defense defeating missile?
FAIL!

A test launch of Russia's new submarine-based missile Bulava has failed, Interfax news agency said on Tuesday, quoting a source in the military-industrial complex.
560 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:58:30am

re: #519 realwest

And the tipping point of all this mess, as I see it, was the escalating gas prices that put a pinch into people's already precarious budgets. And just who are primarily responsible for our ever increasing dependence on foreign oil that allowed for us to be taken hostage through our wallets?

/ if I need to tell ya, you ain't been paying attention to anything except the FMSM.

561 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:58:43am

re: #529 J.S.

CNN's schedule for Dec 24 and Dec 25 features Christian stories/docs, and the mockumentary -- "Obama Revealed" (Obama/Messiah will be aired on both the 24 and 25th)... coincidence?

'Obama will be aired' - like as, hung out to dry?

/didn't think so, but couldn't resist ...

562 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:59:14am

re: #557 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Charles, the work you've done on the site is MUCH admired!
*salute*

/kills an old hardware fart's soul to compliment software, but it's deserved!

Software? Wasn't that the stuff that they gave away when you bought the hardware?

563 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:59:43am

re: #547 jcm

The house across the street has feeders but I think they're all frozen solid. I saw a hummingbird yesterday licking the leftover Kiwis on my front arbor trying to get some sugar.

564 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:00:31am

re: #511 Charles

Instalanche incoming ...

(The new server isn't even slowing down. Heh.)

Over the last 3 minutes, I couldn't even get the server. FYI.

565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:00:54am

re: #564 Walter L. Newton

What Walter said.

566 right Brain  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:01:10am

This entire episode underlines the utter contempt the main stream media has for the American public; the only difference is now we can do something about it. Previously the fundamental line held true "The press is free only to those who own one," and such hit jobs could pass for journalism and affect current events. Now they cannot, at least not as easily.

Well guess what Mr. Rather, now we all own a press, and you and your fabulist ilk have been put out to pasture.

567 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:01:12am
568 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:01:19am

re: #563 Killgore Trout

The house across the street has feeders but I think they're all frozen solid. I saw a hummingbird yesterday licking the leftover Kiwis on my front arbor trying to get some sugar.

Careful, I just heard a radio news report of some dude using a blowtorch somewhere on his front porch and he just burnt down his house.

569 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:01:28am

re: #524 Ford_Prefect

We’ll be eight degrees hotter in ten, not ten but 30 or 40 years, and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. Civilization will have broken down.”

I love it when they make predictions.

So, Ted, if 2048 rolls around and we are not even 1 degree hotter, will you agree (in your will since likely you and possibly I will not be living) to donate all your millions (held in trust to that date) to the GOP, with a remainder used to purchase full page ads in major papers (or billboards if newpapers have ceased to exist) admitting that you were w-r-o-n-g?

570 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:01:35am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What Walter said.

What he said ...

571 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:01:50am

re: #545 debutaunt

I have a sitting Buddha statue out there too. He now looks like he's wearing a white robe and a big cone shaped dunce cap on his head. I'll get a pic of that too.

572 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:01:58am

I think Matthews and Olberman were probably holding hands while they said this, and then afterward they broke in to "Kumbaya".

MSNBC = Maudlin Sycophantic Nutty Blathering Chris Award

Keith Olbermann: “For 42 minutes, not a sour note and spellbinding throughout in a way usually reserved for the creations of fiction. An extraordinary political statement. Almost a fully realized, tough, crisp, insistent speech in tone and in the sense of cutting through the clutter...I’d love to find something to criticize about it. You got anything?”
Chris Matthews: “No. You know, I’ve been criticized for saying he inspires me, and to hell with my critics!...You know, in the Bible they talk about Jesus serving the good wine last, I think the Democrats did the same.”
— MSNBC live coverage of Obama’s Democratic convention speech, August 28.

573 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:12am

re: #568 Walter L. Newton

Thanos linked it earlier...nominee for Darwin Award.

574 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:13am
575 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:20am

re: #563 Killgore Trout

The house across the street has feeders but I think they're all frozen solid. I saw a hummingbird yesterday licking the leftover Kiwis on my front arbor trying to get some sugar.

Don't know where you live Killgore but I thought Hummingbirds migrated to warmer climes in the winter?

576 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:28am

re: #560 FurryOldGuyJeans

And the tipping point of all this mess, as I see it, was the escalating gas prices that put a pinch into people's already precarious budgets. And just who are primarily responsible for our ever increasing dependence on foreign oil that allowed for us to be taken hostage through our wallets?

/ if I need to tell ya, you ain't been paying attention to anything except the FMSM.

I still think Soros had a piece of market manipulation in all this.
1) He did it Hungary, and the Bank of England.
2) He loathes GWB.
3) He paid for Obama.
4) He was positioned for market and futures manipulation and willing to take the hit, for a bigger prize.
5) I wonder how much of the offshore credit card donations came from Soros funded sweat shops to funnel cash to BHO.

Can't prove a g-ddamn thing, but a lot of pieces line up.

577 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:29am

The throbbing memo makes me feel adequacy issues. I think I need expensive therapy and rehabilitation on a beach with round the clock nursing.

578 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:33am

re: #564 Walter L. Newton

Over the last 3 minutes, I couldn't even get the server. FYI.

Which server? You trying to order another piece of pie Walter?

579 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:33am

re: #564 Walter L. Newton

Over the last 3 minutes, I couldn't even get the server. FYI.

I saw a momentary (less than 15 seconds) server lag, nothing like what you experienced.

580 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:52am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What Walter said.

Do you live in my fucking head or something. Every time I jump in here, I make a single comment, and you're right on my ass like a really good friend. You don't even give me a chance to catch my breath. :)

581 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:02:59am

re: #461 Ford_Prefect

Here's another good one.

The Obamagasm Award

“Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope...Barack Hussein Obama did not win because of the color of his skin. Nor did he win in spite of it. He won because at a very dangerous moment in the life of a still young country, more people than have ever spoken before came together to try to save it. And that was a victory all its own.”
— Time’s Nancy Gibbs, Nov. 17 cover story.


Please tell me that nancy Gibbs is a 12 year old guest columnist.
I really want to believe that an adult didn't write that.

582 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:03:00am

re: #561 yma o hyd

yeah, the "Obama Revealed" is a repeat of a program originally broadcast in August; it's just another love fest with Suzanne Malveaux talking with The Messiah...

583 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:03:05am

Good Morning/Afternoon!
Dan Rather is so pathetic I almost feel sorry for him. And NPR sucks, but we already knew that.

584 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:03:20am

re: #93 FrogMarch

yep. and OJ is still looking for the real killer.

Guess he is finally in the right location to find them...;-)>

585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:03:44am

re: #580 Walter L. Newton

*blinking in the bright light of discovery*

586 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:03:57am

re: #569 Silhouette

Heh.
Fat chance.

What I want to know is - what about his bison? Don't they fart, and thus contribute to this doom he predicts? Or are only the plebejan cows the culprits?

587 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:04:00am

re: #568 Walter L. Newton

That's a pretty common thing. People heat up the pipe so much catches the wood on fire. I don't think there's much danger of my pond going up in flames. I'm in more danger of Barbecuing an over eager humming bird.

588 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:04:19am

re: #563 Killgore Trout

ahh...poor little guys (I've read that what kills more wild birds during the winter is lack of water...they die of thirst...)

589 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:04:32am

re: #562 lifeofthemind

Software? Wasn't that the stuff that they gave away when you bought the hardware?

Ur, not computer hardware -- electronics hardware, as in soldering irons, oscilloscopes, meters -- my career.

Traditionally, in project meetings inside the manufacturing companies, the hardware guys and the software guys face off across the table, blaming each other for why the product's development isn't on schedule.

/Of course, we ALL know it's software's fault!

/jcm will agree in just a moment ... heh

590 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:04:41am

re: #587 Killgore Trout

That's a pretty common thing. People heat up the pipe so much catches the wood on fire. I don't think there's much danger of my pond going up in flames. I'm in more danger of Barbecuing an over eager humming bird.

Tasty.

591 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:04:59am

re: #580 Walter L. Newton

Didn't you realize he is your long lost twin, the sole survivor from childhood? ;)

592 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:02am

BLANKLEY: Teaching religion
U.S. textbooks distort history, Christianity

I recently read a book that deserves the widest possible readership. The book is "The Trouble with Textbooks - Distorting History and Religion" by Gary A. Tobin and Dennis R. Ybarra. I have never met or talked with either of these gentlemen, but I can't say enough good things about this book. For all who believe that there is a fairly objective rendition of history that we are obliged to teach our children, this book reveals how shockingly far from that objective American education-and particularly school textbooks-have fallen.

In their conclusion, the authors quote the great historian of Islam, Bernard Lewis' observation concerning the willful bending of history: "We live in a time when great efforts have been made, and continue to be made, to falsify the record of the past and to make history a tool of propaganda; when governments, religious movements, political parties, and sectional groups of every kind are busy rewriting history as they wish it to have been, as they would like their followers to believe that it was."

snip

The grievance group that has become particularly adept at influencing textbook publishing is the organized Muslim lobby. The founder of the Council on Islamic Education, the chief Islamic group for vetting textbooks in the United States, refers to his work as a "bloodless revolution … inside American junior high and high school classrooms."

He is, regrettably, right. While these days one may expect "sensitive deference" to Muslim sensitivities, the authors show how American textbooks have gone so far as to outright proselytize Islam.

593 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:06am

re: #578 doriangrey

Which server? You trying to order another piece of pie Walter?

In case i don't get to chat with you tomorrow Dorian.
Merry Christmas and have a Happy new year.

594 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:14am

re: #589 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ur, not computer hardware -- electronics hardware, as in soldering irons, oscilloscopes, meters -- my career.

Traditionally, in project meetings inside the manufacturing companies, the hardware guys and the software guys face off across the table, blaming each other for why the product's development isn't on schedule.

/Of course, we ALL know it's software's fault!

/jcm will agree in just a moment ... heh

We have more fun.
Design. Hardware. Software.

595 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:21am

re: #575 Big Steve

It's very strange but there are humming birds that overwinter here in the Northwest. I have no idea how they survive these ice storms but they seem to do just fine.

596 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:28am

re: #461 Ford_Prefect

Barack Hussein Obama did not win because of the color of his skin. Nor did he win in spite of it.

"It had nothing to do with his skin. Yet I felt compelled to mention it in two complete sentences."

597 ggt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:29am

Have a great day all!

598 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:33am

So I see by looking around the internet today that our choices are looking at Obama's chest or Amy Winehouse's.

599 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:34am

re: #581 opnion

Please tell me that nancy Gibbs is a 12 year old guest columnist.
I really want to believe that an adult didn't write that.

She doesn't look 12 to me.

600 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:35am

re: #542 Dustyvet

But there plastic...:) but then so's Frankin...

Um...no. Real palm trees in an office building in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. Worked there once.

601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:40am

re: #590 Walter L. Newton

A very weak broth, or a very small soup.

Wait! Is a hummingbird actually a bird? Thought it was an insect.

602 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:41am

re: #589 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ur, not computer hardware -- electronics hardware, as in soldering irons, oscilloscopes, meters -- my career.

Traditionally, in project meetings inside the manufacturing companies, the hardware guys and the software guys face off across the table, blaming each other for why the product's development isn't on schedule.

/Of course, we ALL know it's software's fault!

/jcm will agree in just a moment ... heh

Its those bastards in engineering giving the people in operations crap to work with!

/Oh, thats just my office.

603 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:51am

re: #567 ploome hineni

that throbbing memo gives me palpitations

I hear heavy breathing.
Are you going into heat?

*duck*

604 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:52am

re: #583 redstateredneck

Good Morning/Afternoon!
Dan Rather is so pathetic I almost feel sorry for him. And NPR sucks, but we already knew that.

Wonder if the Chicago NPR finally got their archives to come back up after they all disappeared? Great timing on their part. bah.

That was right after Zombie had everyone combing through as many on-line archives as could be found just before the election.

605 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:05:58am

re: #587 Killgore Trout

That's a pretty common thing. People heat up the pipe so much catches the wood on fire. I don't think there's much danger of my pond going up in flames. I'm in more danger of Barbecuing an over eager humming bird.

Too small...even a burp wouldn't tell you what it was you had eaten. ;)

606 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:06:12am

re: #582 J.S.

yeah, the "Obama Revealed" is a repeat of a program originally broadcast in August; it's just another love fest with Suzanne Malveaux talking with The Messiah...

Am I glad that we only get the usual Beeb repeats, and no Obama, over here!

You've got all my sympathy!

607 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:06:14am

re: #580 Walter L. Newton

Do you live in my fucking head or something. Every time I jump in here, I make a single comment, and you're right on my ass like a really good friend. You don't even give me a chance to catch my breath. :)

I put him up to it...
*Wicked Laugh*

608 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:06:15am

re: #593 HoosierHoops

In case i don't get to chat with you tomorrow Dorian.
Merry Christmas and have a Happy new year.

Merry Christmas to you and your family as well Hoops... ;)

609 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:06:19am

re: #14 MandyManners

Don't libel boils.

Pustulist!

/

610 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:06:39am

MN Senate winner won't be known in 2008


[Link: www.kare11.com...]

611 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:06:52am

re: #588 J.S.

My pond is very popular during these freezes. It's probably the only unfrozen water for a mile or so.

612 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:07:33am

re: #587 Killgore Trout

That's a pretty common thing. People heat up the pipe so much catches the wood on fire. I don't think there's much danger of my pond going up in flames. I'm in more danger of Barbecuing an over eager humming bird.

the guy does a really super job with his land reclamation projects...I give him credit for that...and it's very costly...

613 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:07:51am

re: #580 Walter L. Newton

Do you live in my fucking head or something. Every time I jump in here, I make a single comment, and you're right on my ass like a really good friend. You don't even give me a chance to catch my breath. :)

Did you read what he did with the close friend in the DT? Be careful.

614 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:07:58am

They have been predicting up to 3 inches of Fluffy White Global Warming Crystals (TM) for the last three days around here. That's the common way of saying they don't know what it's going to do.

But it is finally clouding up around Golden. I did any chores I needed to do this morning, just in case. Updates to come.

Oh, OT...

Dan Rather is a ancient piece of lying shit.

615 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:08:21am

re: #594 jcm

We have more fun.
Design. Hardware. Software.

Bruises.

616 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:09:13am

re: #611 Killgore Trout

a regular bird/chick magnet, eh?

617 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:09:15am

re: #601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! Is a hummingbird actually a bird?

Oh please tell me it's a bird.

I just came to terms with the disconnect that Bambi is a stripper name yet the original Bambi was a boy. Don't make me deal with some other disconnect in associations.

/

618 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:09:26am

re: #609 DaddyG

Pustulist!

/

Screw lunch.

619 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:09:42am

re: #616 J.S.

Heh. Chicks dig me.

620 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:09:47am

re: #601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A very weak broth, or a very small soup.

Wait! Is a hummingbird actually a bird? Thought it was an insect.

A small crunchy bird.

621 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:10:11am

OT: FNC just announced Our Messiah-King has chosen the Bible He will use during His coronation and crowning. FNC said it is a Bible with lots of historical importance (story after the break).

622 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:10:20am

re: #602 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its those bastards in engineering giving the people in operations crap to work with!

/Oh, thats just my office.

It's not us. Our designs work just fine. It's Manufacturing.

/*nose growth overturning monitor in front of me*

623 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:10:27am

Oh dear oh dear oh dear...


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Al-RotoReuters is peeking in on us...

624 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:10:43am

re: #620 debutaunt

A small crunchy bird.

Goes well with a Robin's egg omelet.

625 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:10:43am

I imagine it would take quite a few hummingbirds to make a decent meal.

Like crawfish.

626 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:11:06am

re: #621 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT: FNC just announced Our Messiah-King has chosen the Bible He will use during His coronation and crowning. FNC said it is a Bible with lots of historical importance (story after the break).

He wrote it himself.

627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:11:25am

Obama chartered a 767 to fly to Hawaii. Nice.

If I could, I would too.

628 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:11:33am

re: #599 Ford_Prefect

She doesn't look 12 to me.


No, but at least she's not hot. I know that is shallow, but it's something

629 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:11:36am

re: #572 Ford_Prefect

I think Matthews and Olberman were probably holding hands while they said this, and then afterward they broke in to "Kumbaya".

MSNBC = Maudlin Sycophantic Nutty Blathering Chris Award

Keith Olbermann: “For 42 minutes, not a sour note and spellbinding throughout in a way usually reserved for the creations of fiction. An extraordinary political statement. Almost a fully realized, tough, crisp, insistent speech in tone and in the sense of cutting through the clutter...I’d love to find something to criticize about it. You got anything?”
Chris Matthews: “No. You know, I’ve been criticized for saying he inspires me, and to hell with my critics!...You know, in the Bible they talk about Jesus serving the good wine last, I think the Democrats did the same.”
— MSNBC live coverage of Obama’s Democratic convention speech, August 28.

Comparing Jesus Christ's first miracle to the abomination that resulted in CBBHO? That's a redefinition of blasphemy.

OTOH, WAB certainly knows a good whine.

630 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:11:42am

re: #626 Silhouette

He wrote it himself.

no its only just about him

631 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:02am

re: #615 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bruises.

No kidding, especially when a $300,000 mask change (photo masks for etching silicon wafers) is on the line. Design, says the design worked in simulation! The test hardware is wrong! Hardware (me) says, the hardware is testing correctly it must be the software! Software says the Design must be wrong! Software is golden!

Bruises is right.

*click my nic, munchkins in the snow* (if you haven't already)

632 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:03am

re: #621 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT: FNC just announced Our Messiah-King has chosen the Bible He will use during His coronation and crowning. FNC said it is a Bible with lots of historical importance (story after the break).

same one Lincoln used...get it?...
spit

633 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:17am

re: #594 jcm

We have more fun.
Design. Hardware. Software.

My only programming gig I have is an off and on project with Kaiser. Yesterday, I spent 5 hours and over 40 emails, trying to explain to them that a certain formula inside the application is calculating exactly as they specified during the design phase.

At the end of all this, they sent me back new specs to totally change the formula. It cost them 300 dollars to be told everything was correct, in order for them to decide they were wrong.

I told then right up front what they needed to do if they were looking for a different outcome to the calculations.

Five hours later, they agreed.

And you wonder why health care is so expensive.

634 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:26am

re: #625 Silhouette

I imagine it would take quite a few hummingbirds to make a decent meal.

Like crawfish.

The French eat some small bird. They drown it in cognac, cook it whole, and then eat it with a napkin over the head so they get all the aroma.
Illegal now; the bird is endangered.
(If they took the bones out it wouldn't be crunchy!)

635 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:29am

re: #627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Obama chartered a 767 to fly to Hawaii. Nice.

If I could, I would too.

You wanna' go on vacation with CBBHO?

636 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:40am

re: #29 itellu3times

I sometimes turn on NPR when stuck on the freeway, and it never takes more than five minutes to make me howl, and ten minutes before the rancid stupidity (not to mention turgid smugness) of the hosts sends me surfing back to the alternative music stations.

A representative NPR public interest segment...Audio Only

637 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:47am

re: #627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Obama chartered a 767 to fly to Hawaii. Nice.

If I could, I would too.

I bet its full of trunks ofr Michelle's clothes ... now that she's gotta show the world that she's Jackie O #2

638 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:54am

Today's missive from mybarackobama.commie:

Happy holidays
Name Redacted --

This holiday season, the grassroots movement you helped build can make a big difference for those in need.

I hope you will join me in supporting your favorite charity or contributing to causes that are especially meaningful to me and my family.

While many of us will spend the holidays counting our blessings and sharing dinner with loved ones, millions of people around the country won't be so fortunate. Donating to your local food bank will help provide a holiday meal to people in your community who can't afford one.

Talking with the families of deployed troops was one of the most rewarding experiences I had during the campaign. Giving to Operation USO Care Package is a great way to send members of our military stationed around the world a reminder that someone back home is thinking of them.

This is a time to celebrate our blessings, the new year, and a new era for our country. But it's also a time to come together on behalf of those who need our help.

Do what you can to help today by locating your local food bank and giving your support:

[Link: my.barackobama.c...]

Or send a care package to an American in uniform:

[Link: my.barackobama.c...]

Thank you for all that you do and have a very happy holiday season,

Michelle

639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:12:55am

re: #633 Walter L. Newton

Milk it Walter! Milk it.

640 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:13am

Obama picks the Lincoln Bible for the inauguration.

Bible.

641 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:22am

re: #621 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT: FNC just announced Our Messiah-King has chosen the Bible He will use during His coronation and crowning. FNC said it is a Bible with lots of historical importance (story after the break).

It's been the family a long time...
Michelle just ran down to a book store and picked one up.

642 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:31am

re: #601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A very weak broth, or a very small soup.

Wait! Is a hummingbird actually a bird? Thought it was an insect.

Well, someone your size could easily mistake something that small as an insect.

643 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:33am

re: #589 pre-Boomer Marine brat


/jcm will agree in just a moment ... heh

James Hacker - So the answer is?
Rep of Roads  - There can be only one answer
Rep of Rail     - Yes, there can be only one answer
Rep of Air      - Of course there can only be one answer
Sir Humphrey Appleby - Good, I like to end on a note of agreement. Thank you.

644 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:34am

re: #635 MandyManners

You wanna' go on vacation with CBBHO?

No thanks...I'll look at my own man-boobs if you don't mind.

645 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:40am

re: #634 Kosh's Shadow

and then eat it with a napkin over the head so they get all the aroma.

I can't stop guffawing.

646 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:47am

re: #632 albusteve

same one Lincoln used...get it?...
spit

Obama will not be using the GD America bible given to him by his religious mentor?

647 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:54am

does anyone remember what the msm said abt. the alleged original documentation that was in pres. bush's personal file. from which the copies were made.

648 HDrepub  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:13:56am

re: #621 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT: FNC just announced Our Messiah-King has chosen the Bible He will use during His coronation and crowning. FNC said it is a Bible with lots of historical importance (story after the break).

Is it the Gideon Bible Rocky Racoon found in his room?

Rocky Racoon fell back in his room
only to find Gideon's Bible

///

649 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:14:05am

re: #632 albusteve

same one Lincoln used...get it?...
spit

Will he also use the presidential Box at Ford's Theater?

650 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:14:06am

I'm housebound here, but with electricity, thankfully. I see by the news that this will be the White Christmas from Hades for a lot of the US. Power outages, broken water mains, icy freeways, etc. etc...

Meanwhile, the President-elect is in Hawaii. None of this touches him.

Do I smell a portent of things to come?

651 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:14:07am

re: #633 Walter L. Newton

Sounds very, very familiar.

652 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:14:08am

re: #632 albusteve

same one Lincoln used...get it?...
spit

They didn't say, and now they (FNC) is babbling about the number of pardons Bush will do (19, Scooter Libby or those two border patrols officers not listed), but nothing Our Messiah-King does to augment His Holiness would surprise me.

653 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:14:33am

re: #631 jcm

Great!
Happy Munchkins!

654 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:14:37am

re: #634 Kosh's Shadow

The French eat some small bird. They drown it in cognac, cook it whole, and then eat it with a napkin over the head so they get all the aroma.
Illegal now; the bird is endangered.
(If they took the bones out it wouldn't be crunchy!)

Hummingbird a la peche.

655 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:14:44am

re: #635 MandyManners

You wanna' go on vacation with CBBHO?

Hell yeah! Hawaii. And you know access would be greatly limited (he'd have to make an appointment)...So, I wouldn't even have to see him.

Ah me, the sun, the sand, the quiet...and my boobies are bigger than his (barely)!

Settle down ladies. Pasty is the new tan!

656 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:14:46am

re: #640 avanti

Obama picks the Lincoln Bible for the inauguration.

Bible.

Because Lincoln freed the slaves, and Obama's ancestors went from chains to the White House.

Except they didn't.

657 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:15:00am

re: #631 jcm

I did - they're sweet!
and don't worry about the ydrangeas - one has to cut the dead flowerheads off in February/March, when the first new buds are starting to show.

658 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:15:02am

re: #623 doriangrey

Oh dear oh dear oh dear...

Al-RotoReuters is peeking in on us...

Hey, Reuters! You suck.

Maybe Santa will bring you a clue or two for Christmas.

If not, enjoy what he does bring.

659 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:15:03am

re: #644 Big Steve

No thanks...I'll look at my own man-boobs if you don't mind.

WE DO NOT DO MOOB THREADS AT LGF!
*stomps foot for emphasis!*

660 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:15:31am

re: #639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Milk it Walter! Milk it.

That's why I can't make a living as an independent contractor. It's not in my nature to string a client along like that. I have actually worked for IT contracting firms where I have been "let go" because I worked do efficiently.

661 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:00am

re: #625 Silhouette

I imagine it would take quite a few hummingbirds to make a decent meal.

Like crawfish.


But would you suck the head and pinch the tail?

662 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:07am

re: #656 Silhouette

Because Lincoln freed the slaves, and Obama's ancestors went from chains to the White House.

Except they didn't.

Just more painting the lily or gilding refined gold from Our Messiah-King.

663 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:09am

re: #649 Dustyvet

Will he also use the presidential Box at Ford's Theater?

HAHA!...no comment

664 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:26am

re: #621 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT: FNC just announced Our Messiah-King has chosen the Bible He will use during His coronation and crowning. FNC said it is a Bible with lots of historical importance (story after the break).

Hmmm, lost the family koran?

665 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:27am

re: #659 jcm

WE DO NOT DO MOOB THREADS AT LGF!
*stomps foot for emphasis!*

Someone looking for man boobs?

666 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:28am

re: #638 wrenchwench

Today's missive from mybarackobama.commie:

Hey, Michelle? We've been doing that for years, long before CBBHO came upon the scene. We don't need your stinking links.

Now, go fix me a waffle, woman.

667 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:29am

re: #624 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Goes well with a Robin's egg omelet.

Blue plate special?

668 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:45am

re: #657 yma o hyd

I did - they're sweet!
and don't worry about the ydrangeas - one has to cut the dead flowerheads off in February/March, when the first new buds are starting to show.

You mean I did it right by accident? I wait till I see buds and trim it back to the bud. Bloody thing just goes crazy putting out shoots and blossom almost covers the front steps.

669 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:50am

re: #661 redstateredneck

But would you suck the head and pinch the tail?

I would eat them very very slowly.

For the irony.

670 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:16:58am

re: #649 Dustyvet

Careful
(seriously)

671 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:17:13am

re: #644 Big Steve

No thanks...I'll look at my own man-boobs if you don't mind.

AAAIIIYEEE!

672 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:17:19am

re: #665 Walter L. Newton

Someone looking for man boobs?

Why I oughta'...

673 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:17:22am

re: #536 Killgore Trout

Do you look like a red flower? Just curious as to what's attracting them to you.

674 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:17:31am

re: #666 MandyManners

Hey, Michelle? We've been doing that for years, long before CBBHO came upon the scene. We don't need your stinking links.

Now, go fix me a waffle, woman.

I wouldn't mind going to to the islands with Michelle.

675 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:17:44am

re: #661 redstateredneck

But would you suck the head and pinch the tail?

Kinky

676 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:17:52am

re: #669 Silhouette

I would eat them very very slowly.

For the irony.

hahahahhhaahahahaa

677 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:17:53am

re: #656 Silhouette

Because Lincoln freed the slaves, and Obama's ancestors went from chains to the White House.

Except they didn't.

quite honestly they probably sold slaves...

678 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:18:07am

re: #646 debutaunt

Obama will not be using the GD America bible given to him by his religious mentor?

I thought he was going to use the Necronomicon.

679 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:18:13am

re: #659 jcm

WE DO NOT DO MOOB THREADS AT LGF!
*stomps foot for emphasis!*

Y'mean we gotta pech sumpthin' else?

680 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:18:13am

re: #659 jcm

WE DO NOT DO MOOB THREADS AT LGF!
*stomps foot for emphasis!*


oh really...Don't Look if at Work

681 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:18:29am

re: #650 EmmmieG

I'm housebound here, but with electricity, thankfully. I see by the news that this will be the White Christmas from Hades for a lot of the US. Power outages, broken water mains, icy freeways, etc. etc...

Meanwhile, the President-elect is in Hawaii. None of this touches him.

Do I smell a portent of things to come?

You do.
Cogratulations on your sense of smell!

682 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:18:34am

re: #647 nyc redneck

does anyone remember what the msm said abt. the alleged original documentation that was in pres. bush's personal file. from which the copies were made.

I don't, but I bet if you go back to the original LGF posts on this, you could find whatever it is you're looking for.

683 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:18:43am

re: #658 MandyManners

Hey, Reuters! You suck.

Maybe Santa will bring you a clue or two for Christmas.

If not, enjoy what he does bring.

ROTFLMAO... spewing Baileys out my nose... That is beautiful beyond words... May the entire MSM wake up Christmas morning to find that Santa likewise brought them gifts... Thank you for making my entire Christmas Mandy... ;)

684 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:18:50am

re: #649 Dustyvet

*whack*

685 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:18:58am

re: #673 Cap'n DOC

No, I just have running water when everything else is frozen.

686 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:04am

re: #671 MandyManners

AAAIIIYEEE!

*WHACK*

687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:13am

re: #680 Big Steve

What a troubled woman. I think "Rehab" was a great song.

688 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:20am

re: #668 jcm

You mean I did it right by accident? I wait till I see buds and trim it back to the bud. Bloody thing just goes crazy putting out shoots and blossom almost covers the front steps.

Cut back to the green wood.

689 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:28am

re: #655 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell yeah! Hawaii. And you know access would be greatly limited (he'd have to make an appointment)...So, I wouldn't even have to see him.

Ah me, the sun, the sand, the quiet...and my boobies are bigger than his (barely)!

Settle down ladies. Pasty is the new tan!

*blink...blink...blink*

690 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:29am

i just can't even think abt. this person getting sworn in as potus, no matter what he puts his hand on.
god help us.

691 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:33am

re: #678 Kosh's Shadow

I thought he was going to use the Necronomicon.

/ booga-booga

692 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:34am

re: #625 Silhouette

I imagine it would take quite a few hummingbirds to make a decent meal.

Like crawfish.

MINIMUM 5 lbs of crawfish needed per person.
Before purging.

693 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:37am

bbib

694 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:56am

re: #664 opnion

Hmmm, lost the family koran?

Nah. He'd do it over a copy of Prairie Fire, I think.

695 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:19:59am

re: #677 albusteve

quite honestly they probably sold slaves...

Kenya imagine where?

696 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:20:05am

Will Our Messiah-King using a Bible at His Coronation and Anointment silence the "Obama is a Secret Muslim" conspiracy believers?

697 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:20:07am

re: #689 MandyManners

*wink...wink...wink*

I'm sure you meant to say...

698 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:20:18am

re: #677 albusteve

quite honestly they probably sold slaves...

I believe it has been documented that his American ancestors owned slaves.

699 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:20:34am

re: #680 Big Steve

oh really...Don't Look if at Work

She looks like Mic Jagger with boobs.

700 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:20:51am

re: #682 reine.de.tout

thanks reine.
i'm just thinking that the originals were conveniently misplaced/lost.
they would reveal everything.

701 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:20:55am

re: #678 Kosh's Shadow

I thought he was going to use the Necronomicon.

I think he is goind old school and looking for Al Azif.

702 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:21:06am

Beware the monitor lizards...
Komodo Dragons eats whole pig

703 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:21:07am

re: #671 MandyManners

AAAIIIYEEE!

Mandy..it is now time to post the picture of the fireman..
/ It will get the women lizards relief

704 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:21:10am

re: #692 reine.de.tout

{reine}!

705 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:21:20am

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

I wouldn't mind going to to the islands with Michelle.

I bet she could crack coconuts between her knees.

706 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:21:27am

re: #656 Silhouette

Because Lincoln freed the slaves, and Obama's ancestors went from chains to the White House.

Except they didn't.


On his fathers side they were slavers. Obama should pay reparations

707 herdingcats  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:21:28am

Oh sure, Bill Burkett changed his story, but did Lucy Ramirez ever change her story? Did anyone at NPR think to contact her? Anyone? Bueller?

708 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:21:31am

re: #668 jcm

You mean I did it right by accident? I wait till I see buds and trim it back to the bud. Bloody thing just goes crazy putting out shoots and blossom almost covers the front steps.

Yep - you did it right.
You can be quite ruthless in pruning back - they do like to take over, given half a chance. But they do look utterly fabulous in flower.

709 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:21:55am

re: #683 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... spewing Baileys out my nose... That is beautiful beyond words... May the entire MSM wake up Christmas morning to find that Santa likewise brought them gifts... Thank you for making my entire Christmas Mandy... ;)

MERRY CHRISTMAS, DORIAN!

710 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:22:07am

re: #680 Big Steve

oh really...Don't Look if at Work

I can't believe you posted a link to a naked picture on LGF. Where is Albusteve and Yoch when you need them?

711 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:22:36am

re: #686 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*WHACK*

You wanna' look at his man-boobs?

712 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:22:38am

re: #702 Killgore Trout

KT! Wow.

To make it funny? There's an ad right over the top that says, "Find a sexy partner in Lynchburg."

Uh...No thanks.

713 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:22:58am

Gates asks to keep 150 appointees on staff, Obama approves.


Staff.

714 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:23:01am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

I can't believe you posted a link to a naked picture on LGF. Where is Albusteve and Yoch when you need them?

I was thinking the same thing considering the lynching you suffered last night. ;)

715 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:23:09am

re: #708 yma o hyd

Yep - you did it right.
You can be quite ruthless in pruning back - they do like to take over, given half a chance. But they do look utterly fabulous in flower.

LOL! I whack it back pretty far to keep it out of the way. It toys with me, taking over half the front stairs.

716 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:23:14am

re: #702 Killgore Trout

Cool

717 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:23:30am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

I can't believe you posted a link to a naked picture on LGF. Where is Albusteve and Yoch when you need them?

Still blinking their eyes in disbelief at what you posted last night... ;p

718 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:23:40am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

I can't believe you posted a link to a naked picture on LGF. Where is Albusteve and Yoch when you need them?

I just posted to a legitimate newspaper...and you peeked!

719 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:23:44am

re: #680 Big Steve

oh really...Don't Look if at Work

Bless her heart! She's looking good.

720 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:23:53am

re: #698 Silhouette

I believe it has been documented that his American ancestors owned slaves.

I'd like to hear a straight foreward discussion on reparations or entitlements...hold his feet to the fire...no double talk

721 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:24:26am

re: #696 FurryOldGuyJeans

Will Our Messiah-King using a Bible at His Coronation and Anointment silence the "Obama is a Secret Muslim" conspiracy believers?

No way.
Its taqqia, see ...

///

722 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:24:31am

re: #702 Killgore Trout

Beware the monitor lizards...
Komodo Dragons eats whole pig

Image: win.png

723 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:24:31am

re: #711 MandyManners

You wanna' look at his man-boobs?

Yawn.
I can always go into the bathroom and take off my shirt.

/however, the belly is a GREAT distraction! ... ugh

724 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:24:44am

re: #720 albusteve

Double talk is the only language these guys speak.

725 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:24:45am

re: #704 redstateredneck

{reine}!

Hiya, RedState!
Studying up for the next scrabble game?

726 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:24:49am

re: #719 MandyManners

Bless her heart! She's looking good.


She didn't have anywhere to go but up. Well, she could have gone dead I suppose.

727 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:24:56am

re: #699 Walter L. Newton

She looks like Mic Jagger with boobs.

Mick was quite pretty in his heyday...

728 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:24:59am

re: #714 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was thinking the same thing considering the lynching you suffered last night. ;)

I got lynched? All I remember was arguing over whether Hitler was a Christian or not and then I went to bed. What did I miss?

729 HDrepub  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:01am

re: #712 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

KT! Wow.

To make it funny? There's an ad right over the top that says, "Find a sexy partner in Lynchburg."

Uh...No thanks.

It has your geographical location by your IP address. The ad says the same for my little town. All the sexy partners are already taken here of course.

730 Red Pencil  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:04am

Without any knowledge of typefaces (or indeed even seeing this in print) I was struck by the general "wrongness" of this memo "to file" the second I heard it. In substance as well as in detail it was a complete anachronism --- the sort of "here's what I think" note that someone might've incriminated themselves and others with with via E mail in the 1990's or later, but NOT something they would have had a secretary type up and "file" in the 1970s. What would be the point exactly?

Anyone old enough to remember manual typewriters, secretaries and filing cabinets that are actual pieces of furniture should have known better than to accept this memo at face value.

731 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:13am

re: #719 MandyManners

Bless her heart! She's looking good.

Amy is a hell of a talent.. I hope she stays off the drugs

732 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:15am

re: #626 Silhouette

He wrote it himself.

*golf clap*

733 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:23am

re: #680 Big Steve

oh really...Don't Look if at Work

Poor innocent Bit Steve...
Those are Boobs.
I'm talking moobs.

A world of difference!
;-)

734 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:26am

re: #718 Big Steve

I just posted to a legitimate newspaper...and you peeked!

The UK Daily Mail legitimate?!? Wow, you sure do know how to lay on thick that sarcasm. ;)

735 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:27am

re: #718 Big Steve

I just posted to a legitimate newspaper...and you peeked!

Steve, this wasn't targeted at you. It's another matter. I was simply using your link as a point.

736 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:29am

re: #696 FurryOldGuyJeans

Will Our Messiah-King using a Bible at His Coronation and Anointment silence the "Obama is a Secret Muslim" conspiracy believers?

There is an underground tunnel form his Hyde Park mansion to the mosque across the street!
I either read that somewhere or made it up.

737 Tigger2005  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:29am

re: #423 quickjustice

Until January 20, that's not correct, but that assumes that President Bush remains a Republican after commencing the nationalization of U.S. industry.

Back in my day, they called it Communism!

738 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:50am

re: #725 reine.de.tout

Hiya, RedState!
Studying up for the next scrabble game?

Ha! I should be.
;-)

739 Sunlight  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:25:55am

Here's the actual genocide prevention report:
Preventing Genocide; Madeleine Albright & William Cohen, Co-Chairs

So if the words "preventing genocide" and "employ military options" are recommended together, doesn't that mean going back to Bush's cowboy ways? Isn't it pre-emptive action, just what President Bush did and these same Democrats had temper tantrums about? They'll need to explain this approach.

And the task force members are lots of the same people who let Al Qaida keep on bombing until they finally hit NYC. How does that fit?

740 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:26:13am

re: #728 Big Steve

I got lynched? All I remember was arguing over whether Hitler was a Christian or not and then I went to bed. What did I miss?

Not you, Walter.

741 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:26:27am

re: #729 HDrepub

Oh, I know. Just seeing an entire pig being devoured by a giant lizard does not make me think of sexy ladies.

Does that mean I'm gay?

742 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:26:59am

re: #721 yma o hyd

No way.
Its taqqia, see ...

///

You have to play the song.

TAQIYYA!

743 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:27:10am

re: #718 Big Steve

I just posted to a legitimate newspaper...and you peeked!

pretty tasteless...junior high stuff

744 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:27:23am

Back on thread topic (sort of)

Charles vs. the MSM! The video!

745 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:27:54am

re: #727 albusteve

Mick was quite pretty in his heyday...

Well, gee Steve, did you actually click on the link a LOOK at a naked picture on LGF. Where the fuck is your outrage today?

Those pictures certainly looks like paparazzi pictures, taken with out her permission, and appearing in a public source.

What was it you asked me not to call you yesterday?

746 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:28:00am

re: #715 jcm

LOL! I whack it back pretty far to keep it out of the way. It toys with me, taking over half the front stairs.

Dunno if you've got problems with slugs and snails - I do, its very bad here. Hydrangeas never ever become snail-food, don't know why ...

747 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:28:02am

re: #744 jcm

Back on thread topic (sort of)

Charles vs. the MSM! The video!

Trying to hijack the thread, eh? :)

748 HDrepub  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:28:10am

re: #719 MandyManners

Bless her heart! She's looking good.

Nice perky nips too! I couldn't help but notice them being on high beam, being the dirty ol' man I am.

749 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:28:12am

re: #740 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not you, Walter.

Oh I remember that fight too...I tried to egg it on but Walter retreated to a beer...a red stripe if I recall rightly.

750 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:28:18am

re: #736 opnion

There is an underground tunnel form his Hyde Park mansion to the mosque across the street!
I either read that somewhere or made it up.

I thought it was an underground chamber where he and the other members of the Chicago machine make sacrifices to unspeakable deities, as they await the time when the creatures will rise from the slime and enslave all mankind. At least those they don't eat.

751 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:28:19am

re: #724 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Double talk is the only language these guys speak.

that's true but maybe less than honest...next!

752 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:28:42am

re: #748 HDrepub

Nice perky nips too! I couldn't help but notice them being on high beam, being the dirty ol' man I am.

Water was probably cold.

753 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:28:54am

re: #744 jcm

Back on thread topic (sort of)

Charles vs. the MSM! The video!

Nice. Howabout...Charles vs. the MSM! The video!

754 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:29:11am

re: #670 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Careful
(seriously)

Sorry, that was supposed to be sarcasm. My apologies to LGF and my fellow lizards...:(

755 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:29:38am

re: #747 FurryOldGuyJeans

Trying to hijack the thread, eh? :)

Who? Me? Never!
*fingers crossed*

756 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:29:48am

re: #749 Big Steve

Oh I remember that fight too...I tried to egg it on but Walter retreated to a beer...a red stripe if I recall rightly.

I don't drink anymore.

757 HDrepub  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:29:53am

re: #741 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, I know. Just seeing an entire pig being devoured by a giant lizard does not make me think of sexy ladies.

Does that mean I'm gay?

Nah, it means you are probably quite normal.

758 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:29:58am

re: #745 Walter L. Newton

I would bet good money you get a similar reaction from the other Bobsie twin today regarding this babe link.

Or I could be wrong and he gets just as outraged. I just don't care. ;)

759 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:30:00am

re: #753 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice. Howabout...Charles vs. the MSM! The video!

LOL! That's good too!

760 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:30:25am

re: #702 Killgore Trout

Beware the monitor lizards...
Komodo Dragons eats whole pig

My goodness.

761 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:30:58am

re: #739 Sunlight

Here's the actual genocide prevention report:
Preventing Genocide; Madeleine Albright & William Cohen, Co-Chairs

So if the words "preventing genocide" and "employ military options" are recommended together, doesn't that mean going back to Bush's cowboy ways? Isn't it pre-emptive action, just what President Bush did and these same Democrats had temper tantrums about? They'll need to explain this approach.

And the task force members are lots of the same people who let Al Qaida keep on bombing until they finally hit NYC. How does that fit?

They don't need to explain this approach - they're democrats, that changes everything!

762 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:31:06am

re: #750 Kosh's Shadow

I thought it was an underground chamber where he and the other members of the Chicago machine make sacrifices to unspeakable deities, as they await the time when the creatures will rise from the slime and enslave all mankind. At least those they don't eat.

Yeah, that could be what I read. yeah thats it, thats the ticket!

763 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:31:08am

re: #744 jcm

I double-dare Daddy to show that to the munchkins, and tell them it's a COMMODE dragon!

764 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:31:09am

re: #745 Walter L. Newton

Well, gee Steve, did you actually click on the link a LOOK at a naked picture on LGF. Where the fuck is your outrage today?

Those pictures certainly looks like paparazzi pictures, taken with out her permission, and appearing in a public source.

What was it you asked me not to call you yesterday?

playing whack a mole is futile...I give in

765 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:31:17am

re: #739 Sunlight

Preventing Genocide; Madeleine Albright & William Cohen, Co-Chairs

Sounds like a very biased panel, I mean, are they decided in advance, that genocide should be prevented? Where is their open-mindedness, I mean, how hard can it be to prevent genocide, you just stop killing people, it takes two co-chairs to debate that? I just don't understand these people, so closed-minded and dense.
/

766 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:31:34am

re: #758 FurryOldGuyJeans

I would bet good money you get a similar reaction from the other Bobsie twin today regarding this babe link.

Or I could be wrong and he gets just as outraged. I just don't care. ;)

You notice that it appears that Albusteve has seen the link, since he is commenting on it. I just posted a comment to him, let's see if he answers and what he has to say.

At least I suspect that Yochahan wouldn't click on the link. He stick to his level or morals.

767 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:32:16am

re: #764 albusteve

playing whack a mole is futile...I give in

Settled. Friends?

768 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:32:18am

re: #702 Killgore Trout

Beware the monitor lizards...
Komodo Dragons eats whole pig

Yah beat me too it...

769 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:32:20am

Work. Stop being mean to each other. Can't...can't we all...just...get along?

770 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:32:23am

re: #760 Charles

Lizards aren't really known for their table manners.

771 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:32:27am

re: #742 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gah - I knew my spelling was wrong, somehow ...
Senior moment - thats my excuse!

(Nice song!)

772 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:32:55am

re: #761 yma o hyd

They don't need to explain this approach - they're democrats, that changes everything!

Just the proposal is more than sufficient. Why worry about implementation? Understanding of means and methods is not required nor encouraged.

773 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:33:14am

re: #763 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I double-dare Daddy to show that to the munchkins, and tell them it's a COMMODE dragon!

LOL! My wife yelled at me for talking about wolves last night!

774 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:33:16am

re: #771 yma o hyd

Gah - I knew my spelling was wrong, somehow ...
Senior moment - thats my excuse!

(Nice song!)

Or in this case, it could be a Senor moment.

775 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:33:22am

re: #702 Killgore Trout

Beware the monitor lizards...
Komodo Dragons eats whole pig

Good grief!
Who would have the courage to get close enough to that thing to film it?

776 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:33:44am
777 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:33:58am

re: #768 jcm

If you were scrolling through liveleak you might have noticed this one too...
Even Baby Elephants Like The Snow
He sure looks like he's having a good time.

778 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:33:59am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

Settled. Friends?

of course you nut...and I didnt open the link

779 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:34:26am

re: #776 buzzsawmonkey

Heh, good idea.

780 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:34:47am

re: #744 jcm

Back on thread topic (sort of)

Charles vs. the MSM! The video!

How do you give it a Bromo?

781 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:34:49am

re: #776 buzzsawmonkey

Is this an ad for the Lizard Cookbook?

Reine oughta' whack you one.

782 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:34:54am

re: #775 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
Who would have the courage to get close enough to that thing to film it?

That is what they make telephoto lenses for my dear... So you don't have to get close to photograph it... ;)

783 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:34:54am

re: #776 buzzsawmonkey

Is this an ad for the Lizard Cookbook?

Movie guy voice (RIP).

In a world where Lizards eat well, you can now buy the cookbook!

784 FredWM  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:34:58am

"...But there were some typewriters that looked like they could have some similar fonts there..."

Conclusive proof if I ever heard any. Did they both produce letters of the alphabet? Were their commas and periods similar? Presto, Chango - Then it looks like they could just possibility have some very slight similarities indeed!

785 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:35:16am

re: #753 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice. Howabout...Charles vs. the MSM! The video!

ROFLMAO!
I'm tempted to send that to my 38-year-old daughter -- who, yes, got a bit disturbed waaay back in that theater when ...

786 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:35:35am

re: #720 albusteve

I'd like to hear a straight foreward discussion on reparations or entitlements...hold his feet to the fire...no double talk

The whole idea of reparations goes against the essense of America.

Unlike the places our ancestors escaped from, we decided as a society that it didn't matter who your daddy was, but rather that "all men were created equal." Meaning everyone started with a fresh clean slate, at the moment of their creation, and are not responsible for any sins of parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and so on.

People here on LGF use arguments that they are not liable for reparations because their families hadn't emigrated here yet, or their ancestors fought for the north, or so on. But these obscure the ultimate reason. Even IF every single one of your ancestors, from 1607 to 1865, owned slaves and lots of them, no one alive today is guilty of that.

787 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:35:45am

OT: This sucks!

Merry Fucking Christmas: Workers watch last Chevy Tahoe roll of line in Janesville plant

788 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:35:46am

re: #777 Killgore Trout

If you were scrolling through liveleak you might have noticed this one too...
Even Baby Elephants Like The Snow
He sure looks like he's having a good time.

Awww! Too cute!

789 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:36:17am

re: #776 buzzsawmonkey

Is this an ad for the Lizard Cookbook?

speaking of which
UPDATE for those of you who are interested and have not yet seen the 12/15/08 update.

790 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:36:27am

re: #788 jcm

I've always had a soft spot for elephants.

791 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:36:30am

re: #772 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just the proposal is more than sufficient. Why worry about implementation? Understanding of means and methods is not required nor encouraged.

True, dat.

792 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:36:52am

re: #787 Creeping Eruption

OT: This sucks!

Merry Fucking Christmas: Workers watch last Chevy Tahoe roll of line in Janesville plant

I hope come election '10 they remember where the blame for all this lays.

793 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:37:30am

re: #787 Creeping Eruption

OT: This sucks!

Merry Fucking Christmas: Workers watch last Chevy Tahoe roll of line in Janesville plant

Why? what sucks about it? The worker's are responsible more than anyone else.

794 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:38:32am

re: #778 albusteve

of course you nut...and I didnt open the link

Well, you should, nice... never mind.

795 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:38:41am

re: #782 doriangrey

That is what they make telephoto lenses for my dear... So you don't have to get close to photograph it... ;)

well, yeah but seems to me you still have to be in the general vicinity. Would still be too close for my comfort that's for sure.

btw - earlier today (or maybe yesterday evening) I saw you acknowledge a lack of sensitivity from a few days ago, and, well, good for you!

796 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:38:42am

re: #786 Silhouette

The whole idea of reparations goes against the essense of America.

Unlike the places our ancestors escaped from, we decided as a society that it didn't matter who your daddy was, but rather that "all men were created equal." Meaning everyone started with a fresh clean slate, at the moment of their creation, and are not responsible for any sins of parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and so on.

People here on LGF use arguments that they are not liable for reparations because their families hadn't emigrated here yet, or their ancestors fought for the north, or so on. But these obscure the ultimate reason. Even IF every single one of your ancestors, from 1607 to 1865, owned slaves and lots of them, no one alive today is guilty of that.

I want to hear BO say those words...then I want to hear his point of view regarding Affimative Action...I want to hear just where he compromises himself...

797 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:38:52am

re: #791 yma o hyd

True, dat.

Wanting accountability of our elected officials is so old school. Now we should just be worshipful of the messianic.

798 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:39:05am

re: #793 doriangrey

Why? what sucks about it? The worker's are responsible more than anyone else.

Sorry if I feel sad that a whole fucking town is going to dry up and blow away during Christmas.

799 htom  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:39:05am

It is entirely possible that the allegations of Bush receiving special treatment are true. He wouldn't be the only politically-connected male of those times to receive such. That has nothing to do with the obvious fact that the documents presented can not be what they claim on their face to be.

If Mr. Rather was to attempt to show that the documents had been produced by Republican operatives to quiet discussion of the topic ... but that would require that he admit that they were false.

I'm afraid that this topic has actually become, well, boring.

800 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:39:06am

re: #739 Sunlight

Preventing Genocide:

T-SHIRTS AND RIBBONS.

801 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:39:09am

re: #777 Killgore Trout

If you were scrolling through liveleak you might have noticed this one too...
Even Baby Elephants Like The Snow
He sure looks like he's having a good time.

look at that cute little innocent adorable creature. just having fun.
i'm always amazed that the babies don't get stepped on.
but the mother is so aware of it's presence and so gentle w/ it.

802 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:39:11am

re: #777 Killgore Trout

If you were scrolling through liveleak you might have noticed this one too...
Even Baby Elephants Like The Snow
He sure looks like he's having a good time.


Speaking of snow and burrr factor...Old Faithful Live Cam

803 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:39:14am

re: #754 Dustyvet

Sorry, that was supposed to be sarcasm. My apologies to LGF and my fellow lizards...:(

Even as sarc.
I'm thinkin' 'bout the guys in dark suits with wireless gizmos behind their ears ... if you get what I mean.

804 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:39:42am
805 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:39:52am

re: #790 Killgore Trout

I've always had a soft spot for elephants.

there's two here at the ABQ zoo...I go there just to watch them do what they do

806 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:40:34am

re: #787 Creeping Eruption

OT: This sucks!

Merry Fucking Christmas: Workers watch last Chevy Tahoe roll of line in Janesville plant

yeah.
I had a Tahoe at one time and it was the best vehicle I've ever owned.

807 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:40:52am

re: #798 Creeping Eruption

Sorry if I feel sad that a whole fucking town is going to dry up and blow away during Christmas.

Evolution!

808 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:41:23am

re: #787 Creeping Eruption

OT: This sucks!

Merry Fucking Christmas: Workers watch last Chevy Tahoe roll of line in Janesville plant

The horse tack companies had just as much sorrow, and the employees then didn't have a union that willfully and repeatedly bit the hand that fed them.

809 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:41:31am

re: #781 MandyManners

Reine oughta' whack you one.

Heh, she oughta imbed it at the top of the cookbook web site!

810 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:41:33am

re: #807 albusteve

Evolution!

More like devolution.

811 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:41:39am

re: #781 MandyManners

Reine oughta' whack you one.

I have permission to use the *whack*?
I have indeed arrived . . .!

812 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:42:00am

re: #773 jcm

LOL! My wife yelled at me for talking about wolves last night!

Why?

Wolves are fantastic - brilliant - amazing - and absolutely wonderful!

Here's a true story about wolves;

It was the first Christmas our late Big Dog celebrated with us. He was about 2 years old.
On the TV there was a re-run of Dr Shivago. It was the scene where one could hear the wolves howling around the house.
Big Dog got up - went into the hall, hair standing on end - he thought the wolves were at the door! He didn't bark, though.
We had to laugh ...
A few years later, at another re-run (yeah sad, we watched it again ...) he wasn't fooled a second time, he now knew about TV!

813 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:42:11am

re: #809 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh, she oughta imbed it at the top of the cookbook web site!

Not a bad idea.
Let's see if I can figure it out.

814 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:42:17am

re: #702 Killgore Trout

Beware the monitor lizards...
Komodo Dragons eats whole pig

I guess "pig" could be a new nickname for some of the trolls out there then.

/Wow.

815 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:42:30am

re: #739 Sunlight

Here's the actual genocide prevention report:
Preventing Genocide; Madeleine Albright & William Cohen, Co-Chairs

So if the words "preventing genocide" and "employ military options" are recommended together, doesn't that mean going back to Bush's cowboy ways? Isn't it pre-emptive action, just what President Bush did and these same Democrats had temper tantrums about? They'll need to explain this approach.

And the task force members are lots of the same people who let Al Qaida keep on bombing until they finally hit NYC. How does that fit?

Because reports and a bunch of speeches demanding action aren't the same as actually acting.

These people will demand action in places like Darfur, Zimbabwe, Congo, or anywhere else, but the moment that military force is put on the table as an option, they curiously get all quiet and start opposing military action and demand that the diplomatic options be given time to work. They ignore that the diplomatic option has done nothing to save any lives in Darfur, Congo, or Zimbabwe, and many people are put in jeopardy by the inaction of the world, its international organizations, the African Union or any other NGO for that matter. What works? Killing dictators and eliminating genocidal regimes.

How does that happen? Force. Military force. And when the US is involved, it's got a damned fine chance of success.

816 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:42:32am

I apologize if this has been posted before...

Get a hankie:
There are some games where cheering for the other side feels better than winning.

They played the oddest game in high school football history last month down in Grapevine, Texas.

It was Grapevine Faith vs. Gainesville State School and everything about it was upside down. For instance, when Gainesville came out to take the field, the Faith fans made a 40-yard spirit line for them to run through.

Did you hear that? The other team's fans?

They even made a banner for players to crash through at the end. It said, "Go Tornadoes!" Which is also weird, because Faith is the Lions.

It was rivers running uphill and cats petting dogs. More than 200 Faith fans sat on the Gainesville side and kept cheering the Gainesville players on—by name.

"I never in my life thought I'd hear people cheering for us to hit their kids," recalls Gainesville's QB and middle linebacker, Isaiah. "I wouldn't expect another parent to tell somebody to hit their kids. But they wanted us to!"

And even though Faith walloped them 33-14, the Gainesville kids were so happy that after the game they gave head coach Mark Williams a sideline squirt-bottle shower like he'd just won state. Gotta be the first Gatorade bath in history for an 0-9 coach.

But then you saw the 12 uniformed officers escorting the 14 Gainesville players off the field and two and two started to make four. They lined the players up in groups of five—handcuffs ready in their back pockets—and marched them to the team bus. That's because Gainesville is a maximum-security correctional facility 75 miles north of Dallas. Every game it plays is on the road.

Read the whole thing. Merry Christmas... :)

817 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:42:40am

re: #407 jcm

In the aftermath of the WA '04 theft of the governorship. The (R)s took it to court. The precedent set, which will no doubt be used in MN is this.

First you have to tie a particular questionable ballot to a particular voter.
That is impossible since we have secret ballots, and mail ballots have two envelopes, the other contains the return address and voter signature, this is verified and the inner envelope is unmarked and goes in the counting piles, so it's disassociated from the voter.

Second, once a voter is identified for a particular questioned ballot. That voter must on the stand in court wave their 5th Amend right and testify to and admit to vote fraud.

This essentially puts court challenges as a complete waste of time.

Can they challenge on the basis that there was no chain of custody of the ballots that were "found" in the car trunk or behind the counting machine?

818 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:42:51am

re: #798 Creeping Eruption

Sorry if I feel sad that a whole fucking town is going to dry up and blow away during Christmas.

That sentiment is exactly why we are paying 7 trillion dollars to bail out companies that did their damnedest to screw over everyone they could.

819 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:43:13am

re: #806 reine.de.tout

yeah.
I had a Tahoe at one time and it was the best vehicle I've ever owned.


Mine was the GMC Yukon (same thing). Loved it. I think I kept that vehicle longer than any other.

820 Big Steve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:43:28am

re: #811 reine.de.tout

I have permission to use the *whack*?
I have indeed arrived . . .!

I thought *whack* was copywrited like Charles Lizard?

821 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:43:38am

re: #796 albusteve

I want to hear BO say those words...then I want to hear his point of view regarding Affimative Action...I want to hear just where he compromises himself...


Obama will not renounce Affirmative Action, it could make he & his wife look like hypocrites. He was a less than stellar high school student by hi own admission & Michell complains about writing a poor SAT.
No problem, they both go to the Ivy League.

822 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:43:44am

When even rank semi-pros like Charles can see the obvious from the get-go; I notice an eery silence from authentic forensic types. The DNC, party of lawyers can't come up with even ONE forensic expert to back their absurd claim?

Reeks of desperation.

823 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:44:02am

re: #806 reine.de.tout

yeah.
I had a Tahoe at one time and it was the best vehicle I've ever owned.

Came real, real close to buying one. Wife didn't like how she had to lift kids into the car seats.

That was quite a seen, go into the dealer, put car seats into the show room Tahoe. Put the kids in take the kids out.

I loved the Tahoe.

824 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:44:21am

re: #808 FurryOldGuyJeans

The horse tack companies had just as much sorrow, and the employees then didn't have a union that willfully and repeatedly bit the hand that fed them.

There is more horse tack sold now - and more horses in the us than at the time of henry Ford. Just read that somewhere.

825 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:44:49am

re: #812 yma o hyd

Why?

Wolves are fantastic - brilliant - amazing - and absolutely wonderful!

Here's a true story about wolves;

It was the first Christmas our late Big Dog celebrated with us. He was about 2 years old.
On the TV there was a re-run of Dr Shivago. It was the scene where one could hear the wolves howling around the house.
Big Dog got up - went into the hall, hair standing on end - he thought the wolves were at the door! He didn't bark, though.
We had to laugh ...
A few years later, at another re-run (yeah sad, we watched it again ...) he wasn't fooled a second time, he now knew about TV!

She thought it might scare the kids...
We have gotten into Grims Fairy Tales...
;-)

826 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:45:18am

re: #822 DistantThunder

When even rank semi-pros like Charles can see the obvious from the get-go; I notice an eery silence from authentic forensic types. The DNC, party of lawyers can't come up with even ONE forensic expert to back their absurd claim?

Reeks of desperation.

CBS tried to cover up their nonsense by farming out bits of the paperwork to "experts" but even they had to confess they weren't seeing originals and couldn't authenticate a damned thing that Rather put on air.

827 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:45:57am

re: #818 doriangrey

That sentiment is exactly why we are paying 7 trillion dollars to bail out companies that did their damnedest to screw over everyone they could.

And that is possibly going to be just the tip of the iceberg when it is all done and over. So many people looking for governmental bread and circuses.

828 Wm T Sherman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:45:57am

re: #82 Dianna

California deserves it.

Damned fools keep reelecting the same idiots, and here we are.

The reason that the same sort of hacks get re-elected over and over in California is due to rampant gerrymandering of districts. Until now, the law has been the the state legislature sets the boundaries - a clear conflict of interest.

Proposition 11, which passed on Nov. 4, puts disticting in the hands of a commission:

Proposition 11 will create a 14-person independent citizens commission comprised of five Democrats, five Republicans and four individuals not registered as a member of either major party to draw district boundaries for the Senate, Assembly and Board of Equalization. The measure creates a more open and transparent redistricting process, takes the power to draw district lines out of the hands of lawmakers and puts into place a non-partisan process that requires respecting existing city boundaries, county boundaries and communities.

[Link: joinarnold.com...]

Say what you will about Schwarzenegger, he has pulled off two great things: reform of the absurdly generous California worker's comp program, and Proposition 11.

829 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:46:05am

re: #818 doriangrey

That sentiment is exactly why we are paying 7 trillion dollars to bail out companies that did their damnedest to screw over everyone they could.

I should have kept my mouth shut - my bad. I'll stop now before I write something I will later regret. Lets agree to disagree.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you out of work Lizards out there. God speed in finding ways to support you and your family during this crisis that you created.

830 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:47:01am

W00t, just printed out my boarding pass. Now just hoping the airports are all functioning, tomorrow I will be in L.A.!

831 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:47:11am

re: #802 Big Steve

There's a pretty good crowd there today.

832 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:47:27am

re: #809 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh, she oughta imbed it at the top of the cookbook web site!

OK. It's there.

833 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:48:17am

Ooh, ooh. Just heard that Mark Stein is going to guest host Rush's show on January 2.

834 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:48:17am

re: #830 Alouette

W00t, just printed out my boarding pass. Now just hoping the airports are all functioning, tomorrow I will be in L.A.!

You actually want to be IN L.A.?!? Masochist! ;)

835 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:48:46am

re: #819 redstateredneck

Mine was the GMC Yukon (same thing). Loved it. I think I kept that vehicle longer than any other.

I kept mine for a very long time.
The only reason I got rid of it was because young Reine got her learner's permit and it just was not a good vehicle to learn to drive in.

836 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:48:55am

re: #832 reine.de.tout

OK. It's there.

The recipe is real easy.
1) Catch pig.
2) Swallow.

837 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:49:00am

re: #832 reine.de.tout

OK. It's there.

Link? PLEEEASE! ;)

838 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:49:08am

re: #821 opnion

Obama will not renounce Affirmative Action, it could make he & his wife look like hypocrites. He was a less than stellar high school student by hi own admission & Michell complains about writing a poor SAT.
No problem, they both go to the Ivy League.

I know he wont renounce it therefore I want to hear his justification of such a racist program...I want to hear an in depth interview on wealth redistribution...the guy is a racist imo...

839 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:49:35am

My father just called from Portland where they have a foot of snow. He said, "This looks like Chicago." I should have reminded him - Chicago is always worse - regardless of the category.

840 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:49:51am

re: #837 FurryOldGuyJeans

Link? PLEEEASE! ;)

LGF Cookbook.

Just happened to have it open.

841 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:50:05am

re: #829 Creeping Eruption

I should have kept my mouth shut - my bad. I'll stop now before I write something I will later regret. Lets agree to disagree.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you out of work Lizards out there. God speed in finding ways to support you and your family during this crisis that you created.

I see personal responsibility isn't considered a virtue by you. If I ever drive the company I work for out of business then I will deserve to be unemployed. I work damned hard to ensure that the company that pays me is able to continue to do exactly that.

842 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:50:11am

re: #835 reine.de.tout

I kept mine for a very long time.
The only reason I got rid of it was because young Reine got her learner's permit and it just was not a good vehicle to learn to drive in.

My older daughter took out the Sonic menu with mine!

843 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:50:43am

Just got a nasty gram from a co-worker wondering what the hold up on a task was saying he was waiting for me to get off my ass so he could do what he needed to do, which he CCd to the entire office to vent his frustration.

So I attached the email I sent out yesterday to the whole office showing the task was completed ahead of schedule back to him and CCd the group to make sure everyone saw that as well.

My manager just came over laughing his ass off. The other guy has always been a prick.

844 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:50:59am

re: #838 albusteve

I know he wont renounce it therefore I want to hear his justification of such a racist program...I want to hear an in depth interview on wealth redistribution...the guy is a racist imo...

Racisim and Marxism, fellow travelers. Marxists need to blame someone for the woes of others. Jews are the historical favorite.

845 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:51:01am

re: #839 DistantThunder

True. I've lived in Portland and Chicago. Chicago is far worse.

846 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:51:26am

re: #821 opnion

Obama will not renounce Affirmative Action, it could make he & his wife look like hypocrites. He was a less than stellar high school student by hi own admission & Michell complains about writing a poor SAT.
No problem, they both go to the Ivy League.

Why renounce the program that got Him where He is? If anything Our Messiah-King will use His elevation as justification to expand the program to undreamed of extents.

847 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:51:58am

re: #845 Killgore Trout

True. I've lived in Portland and Chicago. Chicago is far worse.

Neither are places I would willingly chose to live...

848 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:52:03am

re: #843 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just got a nasty gram from a co-worker wondering what the hold up on a task was saying he was waiting for me to get off my ass so he could do what he needed to do, which he CCd to the entire office to vent his frustration.

So I attached the email I sent out yesterday to the whole office showing the task was completed ahead of schedule back to him and CCd the group to make sure everyone saw that as well.

My manager just came over laughing his ass off. The other guy has always been a prick.

My first question would be, is your manager going to talk tot his guy. It seems that this is not productive in any sort of way.

849 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:52:08am

Christmas Gift from Mr DT to all Lizards

Monty Pythons Argument Sketch - a classic.

John Clease in fine form.

850 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:52:36am

re: #816 gop_patriot

I apologize if this has been posted before...

Get a hankie:
There are some games where cheering for the other side feels better than winning.

Read the whole thing. Merry Christmas... :)

A MILLION up-dings!

851 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:53:04am

Okay this one might be thread worthy.

Iranian Contest Of Throwing Shoes At A Bush Effigy.
Complete with chants of Death to American!

852 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:53:33am

re: #832 reine.de.tout

OK. It's there.

AllRIGHT!
:D

853 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:53:42am

re: #829 Creeping Eruption

I should have kept my mouth shut - my bad. I'll stop now before I write something I will later regret. Lets agree to disagree.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you out of work Lizards out there. God speed in finding ways to support you and your family during this crisis that you created.

parting shot?...I had no role perpetrating this crisis and conversely will not benefit one dime from the outcome...

854 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:54:08am

re: #837 FurryOldGuyJeans

Link? PLEEEASE! ;)

Here. ya go.

855 Kragar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:54:49am

re: #848 Walter L. Newton

My first question would be, is your manager going to talk tot his guy. It seems that this is not productive in any sort of way.

Different Dept. The other guy is the other Dept head.

856 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:55:07am

re: #850 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A MILLION up-dings!

So glad you liked it. :) My 18 yo son sent it to me.

I have to re-do my makeup after reading it, just awesome. The Faith coach is an amazing person.

857 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:55:07am
858 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:55:37am

re: #841 doriangrey

I see personal responsibility isn't considered a virtue by you. If I ever drive the company I work for out of business then I will deserve to be unemployed. I work damned hard to ensure that the company that pays me is able to continue to do exactly that.

Dorian, I truly should have stopped when I was ahead if I ever was. I was sarcastic after offering a truce and that is lame.

Personal responsibility is a virtue of mine, as is honesty, hard work - all of the things that have allowed me to claw my way to the comfortable position I now occupy. I do not lament the asshole unions that helped cause this, or the workers who supported and drove them, I think about the families, their kids - the innocent ones who are now collateral damage to others foolish mistakes. I think about the people who have to decide whether to buy new winter coats for their kids or pay the utility bill.

859 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:55:46am

re: #812 yma o hyd

On the TV there was a re-run of Dr Shivago. It was the scene where one could hear the wolves howling around the house.

One of my favorite scenes in Dr. Zhivago. Sends chills up your spine. It shows both literally and metaphorically what was happening in Russia.

860 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:55:50am

re: #851 jcm

Okay this one might be thread worthy.

Iranian Contest Of Throwing Shoes At A Bush Effigy.
Complete with chants of Death to American!

Heh heh heh, well ya know... Christmas just wouldn't be Christmas without psychopathic homicidal Muslims chanting Death to America... ;p

861 snopercod  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:55:57am

The famous Post #47 posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:59:43 PM by Buckhead on FreeRepublic which started it all.

862 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:56:13am

re: #829 Creeping Eruption

I created this crisis?!? Sweet JEEBUS! I am worse than the McChimpyHaliburtonBusHitler now! Thank you for your kind words.

Asshole.

863 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:56:16am

re: #844 jcm

Racisim and Marxism, fellow travelers. Marxists need to blame someone for the woes of others. Jews are the historical favorite.

I wish someone had the guts to take BO to task...screw this complex and smack him in the mouth a few times...

864 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:56:23am

re: #838 albusteve

I know he wont renounce it therefore I want to hear his justification of such a racist program...I want to hear an in depth interview on wealth redistribution...the guy is a racist imo...


Of course BHO is a racist. His foramtive years were spent in his room reading Baldwin, Ellison, Malcom X etc. He was mentored in Hawaii by racist poet & activist Frank Marshall Davis.
He converts in his mid 30's to Christianity & joins a radical church with a profoundly racist pastor.
He disdains his white blood in one of his crappy auto bio's.

865 Maximu§  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:56:25am

re: #787 Creeping Eruption

OT: This sucks!

Merry Fucking Christmas: Workers watch last Chevy Tahoe roll of line in Janesville plant

Jesus help our country, its been run into the ground.

866 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:56:28am

re: #834 FurryOldGuyJeans

You actually want to be IN L.A.?!? Masochist! ;)

Beats being in Detroit this time of year.

867 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:56:42am

re: #843 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just got a nasty gram from a co-worker wondering what the hold up on a task was saying he was waiting for me to get off my ass so he could do what he needed to do, which he CCd to the entire office to vent his frustration.

So I attached the email I sent out yesterday to the whole office showing the task was completed ahead of schedule back to him and CCd the group to make sure everyone saw that as well.

My manager just came over laughing his ass off. The other guy has always been a prick.

Nice touch.

868 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:56:46am

re: #856 gop_patriot

So glad you liked it. :) My 18 yo son sent it to me.

I have to re-do my makeup after reading it, just awesome. The Faith coach is an amazing person.

Thank you VERY much for posting it!

869 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:57:03am

re: #860 doriangrey

Heh heh heh, well ya know... Christmas just wouldn't be Christmas without psychopathic homicidal Muslims chanting Death to America... ;p

I have the perfect gift for them!
Rabbit Bait.

870 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:57:14am

re: #853 albusteve

parting shot?...I had no role perpetrating this crisis and conversely will not benefit one dime from the outcome...

Ignore the post Steve, at least the sarcastic bit at the end. The rest was genuine.

871 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:57:15am

re: #840 jcm

re: #854 reine.de.tout

Thankies to you two.

Now, where's the damned cookbook? ;)

872 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:57:39am

re: #849 DistantThunder

Christmas Gift from Mr DT to all Lizards

Monty Pythons Argument Sketch - a classic.

John Clease in fine form.

John Cleese - How to Irritate People - Airplane Sketch

873 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:57:59am

re: #847 doriangrey

Neither are places I would willingly chose to live...

I grew up 150 from Chicago and to this day really love to visit...that's visit...awsome town

874 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:58:08am

re: #842 redstateredneck

My older daughter took out the Sonic menu with mine!

Oh, golly!
so there, you see, I was right to get rid of the Tahoe and get the Toyota RAV4. Have been a little disappointed with the Toyota.

I let daughter drive to the mall when she first started driving. She had a really hard time getting in straight in parking spaces. She just about hit a car that had somebody sitting in it, then had to do the back up-pull forward-back up-pull forward thing a couple of times. When we finally got out of the car, the guy in the car she almost hit was literally rolling around and laughing at her. Had tears in his eyes, he was laughing so hard.

I was always thankful he had a sense of humer and wasn't a complete asshole about the near-hit.

875 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:58:14am
876 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:58:44am

re: #866 Alouette

Beats being in Detroit this time of year.

Ewww, Detroit at any time is bad enough. L.A. is marginally better, but just barely. ;)

877 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:58:53am

re: #846 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why renounce the program that got Him where He is? If anything Our Messiah-King will use His elevation as justification to expand the program to undreamed of extents.

That's what I think. he favors his vision of fairness over justice.

878 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 11:59:32am

re: #858 Creeping Eruption

Dorian, I truly should have stopped when I was ahead if I ever was. I was sarcastic after offering a truce and that is lame.

Personal responsibility is a virtue of mine, as is honesty, hard work - all of the things that have allowed me to claw my way to the comfortable position I now occupy. I do not lament the asshole unions that helped cause this, or the workers who supported and drove them, I think about the families, their kids - the innocent ones who are now collateral damage to others foolish mistakes. I think about the people who have to decide whether to buy new winter coats for their kids or pay the utility bill.

as my old dad used to say "twas ever thus"...I get you...

879 Sunlight  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:00:03pm

re: #815 lawhawk

Also see 556.

880 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:00:12pm

re: #851 jcm

Allahu Shoebar!

881 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:00:14pm

re: #862 FurryOldGuyJeans

I created this crisis?!? Sweet JEEBUS! I am worse than the McChimpyHaliburtonBusHitler now! Thank you for your kind words.

Asshole.

I apologize to you, Dorian, Steve and any other with my callous remarks. It has been a rough day and the I responded without thinking. As I indicated to Steve above (or below - not sure at this point) my thoughts were genuine until the last parting shot which was not warranted on my part. Again, accept my apologies, and truly have a merry Christmas.

882 saberry0530  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:00:18pm

re: #866 Alouette

Beats being in Detroit this ANY time of year.

bett

883 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:00:45pm

re: #859 Occasional Reader

One of my favorite scenes in Dr. Zhivago. Sends chills up your spine. It shows both literally and metaphorically what was happening in Russia.

I thought that was showing wolves around a house?

884 hazzyday  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:00:50pm

Dan Rather thinks he has more credibility to throw away? I didn't think it was possible. He has fallen into Troofer/Nirther land I believe. His only friends are ones of common cause.

885 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:01:40pm

CNN header: President Bush grants 19 pardons; Vice President Cheney's former Chief of Staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby is not among them.

886 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:01:50pm

re: #880 Killgore Trout

Allahu Shoebar!

A glimpse into the sole of Islam!

887 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:01:56pm

re: #875 Iron Fist

I just want my fucking bailout.

To paraphrase (and invert) the Dodo in Alice in Wonderland:

"EVERYBODY has failed, and all must have bailouts."

888 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:02:00pm

re: #858 Creeping Eruption

Dorian, I truly should have stopped when I was ahead if I ever was. I was sarcastic after offering a truce and that is lame.

Personal responsibility is a virtue of mine, as is honesty, hard work - all of the things that have allowed me to claw my way to the comfortable position I now occupy. I do not lament the asshole unions that helped cause this, or the workers who supported and drove them, I think about the families, their kids - the innocent ones who are now collateral damage to others foolish mistakes. I think about the people who have to decide whether to buy new winter coats for their kids or pay the utility bill.

I applaud your compassion, I genuinely do. I just think much of it is misplaced. Many in that town will suffer unjustly, but rather than feel sorry for those who will suffer unjustly I feel anger at those who brought that suffering upon them. The workers at that plant had a primary obligation to their families to ensure their futures and instead chose a path of short term profits with no regard to the future. Now they and their innocent families are suffering the consequences of that greed and lack of planning.

889 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #871 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #854 reine.de.tout

Thankies to you two.

Now, where's the damned cookbook? ;)

We're waiting for the cover art to be finished. We knew enough not to use copyrighted images. Jaunte is producing original cover art. He just recently volunteered for this and the cover will be great.

Patience!

890 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:02:21pm

re: #851 jcm

Okay this one might be thread worthy.

Iranian Contest Of Throwing Shoes At A Bush Effigy.
Complete with chants of Death to American!

Will 0bama join in when he meets with them without preconditions?

891 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:03:12pm

re: #883 Walter L. Newton

I thought that was showing wolves around a house?

Er, yes. That's the scene we're referring to. Maybe I don't understand your question.

892 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #857 Iron Fist

A while ago (Sept. 8, 2008), when the first news about the Governor of Illinois attempting to sell Obama's senate seat made headlines, CNN had on Paul Begala...in "The Situation Room" -- and what did Begala say (re: Obama and Illinois politics)? Begala came to The Messiah's defense by quoting the bible (some NT phrase), along the lines of, "Obama is not of this world" -- and that Obama/Messiah is somehow "above" petty politics...(i was lmao...)

893 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:03:42pm
894 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:03:48pm

re: #891 Occasional Reader

Er, yes. That's the scene we're referring to. Maybe I don't understand your question.

Drink some more, it will come to you :)

895 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:03:51pm

re: #890 Kosh's Shadow

Don't worry, they'll be throwing shoes at an Obama effigy soon enough.

896 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:03:58pm

re: #860 doriangrey

Heh heh heh, well ya know... Christmas just wouldn't be Christmas without psychopathic homicidal Muslims chanting Death to America... ;p

Three shoes for a dinar?

897 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:04:52pm

re: #895 Killgore Trout

Don't worry, they'll be throwing shoes at an Obama effigy soon enough.

Which would probably mean that he is doing something right. I guess we can hope.

898 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:04:52pm

re: #885 Killgore Trout

CNN header: President Bush grants 19 pardons; Vice President Cheney's former Chief of Staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby is not among them.

Neither is Pollard, I bet.

899 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:05:12pm

It's time to take The Kid to see Santa's brother, and then pick up the ingredients for Reindeer food (oats and glitter to light the way with Rudolph's nose) and for our dog's home-made doggie biscuits.

To all the Lizards I will not see before Thursday,

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

900 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:05:22pm

re: #889 reine.de.tout

We're waiting for the cover art to be finished. We knew enough not to use copyrighted images. Jaunte is producing original cover art. He just recently volunteered for this and the cover will be great.

Patience!

Me? Show patience? Surely you jest. ;)

I just wish I had known about the cookbook earlier, I might have submitted a few recipes I have mangled over the years.

901 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:05:24pm

re: #885 Killgore Trout

Here's the 19 pardons and commuted sentences:

Included in the latest list is Charles Winters, who died in the 1980s in Florida. Winters helped ship arms and aircraft to Jews trying to found their own state in the Middle East. He was convicted of violating the Neutrality Act and served 18 months in prison. Two others, Herman Greenspun and Al Schwimmer, also were convicted but did not serve time. They were later granted presidential pardons.

The only other presidential pardon granted posthumously in recent times was given to Henry O. Flipper, the first black graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Flipper was drummed out of the Army after white officers mistakenly accused him of embezzling about $3,800 from commissary funds.

In addition to Winters, others granted pardons were:

—William Alvis III, of Flushing, Ohio.

—John Allen Aregood of Riviera, Texas.

—Eric Charles Blanke of Parker, Colo.

—Steve Doyle Cavender of The Villages, Fla.

—Marie Elena Eppens of Lynden, Wash.

—Lydia Lee Ferguson of Sun City, Ariz.

—Eduviges Duvi Gonzalez-Matsumura of Clovis, Calif.

—George Clarence Greene Jr. of Gray, Ga.

—James Won Hee Kang of South Barrington, Ill.

—Alan Stephen Maiss of Reno, Nev.

—Richard Harold Miller of Tallahassee, Fla.

—Delano Abraham Nixon of Neosho Rapids, Kan.

—John H. Overholt of Black Hawk, S.D.

—Robert Truman Reece of Redondo Beach, Calif.

—Donald Edward Roessler of Harrison, Ohio.

902 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:05:37pm

re: #892 J.S.

A while ago (Sept. 8, 2008), when the first news about the Governor of Illinois attempting to sell Obama's senate seat made headlines

September 8?

903 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:05:38pm

re: #899 MandyManners

It's time to take The Kid to see Santa's brother, and then pick up the ingredients for Reindeer food (oats and glitter to light the way with Rudolph's nose) and for our dog's home-made doggie biscuits.

To all the Lizards I will not see before Thursday,

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

and to you and yours.

904 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:05:54pm

re: #890 Kosh's Shadow

Will 0bama join in when he meets with them without preconditions?


Wait until Barry rides in to negotiate on a unicorn & sprinkles fair dust.
All will be 'cool"

905 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:05:59pm

re: #899 MandyManners

It's time to take The Kid to see Santa's brother, and then pick up the ingredients for Reindeer food (oats and glitter to light the way with Rudolph's nose) and for our dog's home-made doggie biscuits.

To all the Lizards I will not see before Thursday,

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Indeed a Very Merry Christmas to you and your household Mandy... ;)

906 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:06:20pm

*sigh* Give it up, Rather. your credibility is less than zero at this point

907 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:06:41pm

re: #899 MandyManners

It's time to take The Kid to see Santa's brother, and then pick up the ingredients for Reindeer food (oats and glitter to light the way with Rudolph's nose) and for our dog's home-made doggie biscuits.

To all the Lizards I will not see before Thursday,

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

And to you and yours, Mandy. Please don't WHACK! Santa!

908 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:06:59pm

re: #899 MandyManners

It's time to take The Kid to see Santa's brother, and then pick up the ingredients for Reindeer food (oats and glitter to light the way with Rudolph's nose) and for our dog's home-made doggie biscuits.

To all the Lizards I will not see before Thursday,

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Merry Christmas Mandy...

909 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:07:06pm

re: #907 Occasional Reader

And to you and yours, Mandy. Please don't WHACK! Santa!

Mrs. Claus would be very pissed off.

910 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:07:07pm
911 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:07:09pm
912 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:07:48pm

re: #833 redstateredneck

Ooh, ooh. Just heard that Mark Stein is going to guest host Rush's show on January 2.

Steyn?

913 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:07:57pm

re: #893 Iron Fist

I don't think that there's any question that Obama is a racist or that he hates white people (especially white Americans). He couldn't go to Wright's fucking church for twenty years if he wasn't. The level of ranting would be enough to make a corpse puke if you didn't believe essentially the same thing.

One ball among many that McCain dropped on his way to losing the White House.

concur...now lets here him explain it all away...I know I'm pissin into the wind...to bad in such a once great country it aint gonna happen...I've dismissed myself from the govt so I really dont count I guess

914 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:08:23pm

re: #896 Dustyvet

Three shoes for a dinar?

As a sidebar to your comment. As a collector of ancient coins, I have an interesting fact for you.

Do you know the denomination "dinar" goes back over 2000 years. It is the longest use of a name for a coin denomination in the history of coinage.

Dracham, denerius, dinar, disme, dime and so on. There are actually many more variations on the name that has been used in many cultures.

915 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:08:32pm

re: #911 Iron Fist

Maybe I need to run up another $20-30 grand in credit card debt. Then the government would have to step in and help me out. Wouldn't it?

Tack at least five more zeroes on that figure, and you've got it made.

916 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:09:25pm

re: #889 reine.de.tout

Patience!

I'll run to the store and buy a ham hock to "munch" on while I'm waiting.
heh

917 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:09:28pm
918 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:09:48pm

re: #893 Iron Fist

One ball among many that McCain dropped on his way to losing the White House.

That sure has been one of the man's strong suits, losing and quite spectacularly at that.

This opinion piece, Vote For Bush, from Seattle's The Stranger in 2000 just makes for prophetic reading now. Rush and his Operation Chaos was not an original thought after all.

919 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:10:35pm

re: #906 Jewels (AKA Julian)

*sigh* Give it up, Rather. your credibility is less than zero at this point

Ah... but you see, Dan Rather wants to ensure that his legacy remains intact... He is not content to be the anchorman disgraced by attempting to pass a fraudulent document off on the American people while simultaneously altering the outcome of a US Presidential election. He desperately desires to be firmly and permanently associated in the minds of all Americans as the face of journalistic corruption.

920 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:10:36pm

Wow, just one thread today? Charles must be out Christmas shopping.

921 hazzyday  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:10:43pm

re: #843 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ask him why he was sleeping instead of reading his emaire: #799 htom

My theory is that only boring people say they are bored. Derived out of lazy.

922 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:11:31pm

re: #901 lawhawk

Another bailout. If I got busted for an once of grass, my ass would be in the slammer for years.

923 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:11:31pm

re: #917 buzzsawmonkey

And nowadays, Iraqis can take their dates out for dinar and a movie.

I don't give a fig about Iraqi dates.

924 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:11:40pm

re: #900 FurryOldGuyJeans

Me? Show patience? Surely you jest. ;)

I just wish I had known about the cookbook earlier, I might have submitted a few recipes I have mangled over the years.

Not a particularly patient person myself, but there were basically only two of us working on this, and of course, we both had other things going on.

The final sticking point was the cover art and Jaunte graciously volunteered last week when we made it known.

925 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:11:47pm

re: #901 lawhawk

So it looks like he didn't pardon Ramos and Compean...

Damn it.

926 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:12:01pm

re: #911 Iron Fist

Maybe I need to run up another $20-30 grand in credit card debt. Then the government would have to step in and help me out. Wouldn't it?

Why not go 20-3o Billion? Think Big my friend...
/ get the Canary Yellow Bentley.. a customized 767 Airplane.. and that mansion on the hill you've always wanted

927 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:12:02pm

re: #899 MandyManners

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

928 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:12:26pm

re: #902 Occasional Reader

Correction...December 8, 2008...

Transcript reads:

BEGALA: In Delaware.

But this is telling. Jesus said you should be in the world but not of the world. Right? I think Barack Obama is in Illinois politics but he is not of Illinois politics. When he was in Springfield he was a reformer and a tough place to reform. [snip]

BLITZER: The only taint he had a hint of political scandal with his relationship with Tony Rezko, this businessman now in jail. That was the only hint of political scandal that he had over the years.

929 hazzyday  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:12:34pm

re: #921 hazzyday

My error there kragar, was replying to htom and fiddled comments around somehow.

930 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:12:34pm

re: #920 Ward Cleaver

Wow, just one thread today? Charles must be out Christmas shopping.

Or sitting in front of his computer drinking some very serious Egg Nog... ;)

931 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:12:37pm

re: #917 buzzsawmonkey

And nowadays, Iraqis can take their dates out for dinar and a movie.

I thought paid prostitution was illegal in Iraq?

932 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:13:02pm

re: #912 debutaunt

Steyn?

Yes, natch. In my excitement I misspelled.

933 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:13:27pm

re: #901 lawhawk

Even the pardons are lame duck legacy crap. No pardons that really would have mattered, such as Scooter Libby, Ignacio Ramos, or Jose Compean.

934 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:13:28pm
935 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:13:35pm
936 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:13:59pm

re: #914 Walter L. Newton

As a sidebar to your comment. As a collector of ancient coins, I have an interesting fact for you.

Do you know the denomination "dinar" goes back over 2000 years. It is the longest use of a name for a coin denomination in the history of coinage.

Dracham, denerius, dinar, disme, dime and so on. There are actually many more variations on the name that has been used in many cultures.

You collect ancient/old coins? I have for years.. My oldest is from 1361.

937 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:14:46pm

MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone, don't ever forget about us, I spent two Christmas's in the 'Nam Jungle with Great Warriors beside me in my youth and this is what I think about every year at this time. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

938 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:14:55pm

re: #935 buzzsawmonkey

Well, if it's unpaid it's not really prostitution, is it?

Pro bono prostitution?

(Yes, I said bono, not... you know)

939 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:15:10pm
940 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:15:14pm

re: #923 Occasional Reader

I don't give a fig about Iraqi dates.

You can't palm that off on us!

941 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:15:34pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

GRUNT!

Holy Crap!

Where you been hiding?

942 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:15:35pm
943 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:15:39pm

re: #936 HoosierHoops

You collect ancient/old coins? I have for years.. My oldest is from 1361.

Damned numismatists... Dont you guys understand? Old coins just want to be spent... ;p

944 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:16:15pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

Hey, {'Nam}, Merry Christmas.

945 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:16:18pm

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

I thought paid prostitution was illegal in Iraq?

Just as prostitution is illegal in the Philippines; legality doesn't seem to matter.

946 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:16:20pm

re: #940 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You can't palm that off on us!

I only share these posts with you guys because I'm very frond of all of you.

947 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:16:20pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone, don't ever forget about us, I spent two Christmas's in the 'Nam Jungle with Great Warriors beside me in my youth and this is what I think about every year at this time. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

Thank you and Merry Christmas

948 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:16:27pm
949 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:16:29pm

re: #934 Iron Fist

It's kinda like the old adage about atheism: The atheist says he doesn't believe in God, and that's all well and good, but it don't matter much. God still believes in him. You may have dismissed yourself from the government, but don't think for a minute that goverment has dismissed itself from you.

If it were that easy to skirt federal law, I'd have done it years ago.

they seem to have given up running me down...they hounded me for 6 or 8 years then pretty much stopped...I'm not a big fish and they dont intimidate me...my lifestyle is a little different tho...wouldnt appeal to very many people I dont suppose...

950 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:16:59pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone, don't ever forget about us, I spent two Christmas's in the 'Nam Jungle with Great Warriors beside me in my youth and this is what I think about every year at this time. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

My Son is a grunt with the 3/5 Marines...

951 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:17:21pm

re: #898 Kosh's Shadow

Neither is Pollard, I bet.

Not Ramos and Compean, either.

952 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #933 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even the pardons are lame duck legacy crap. No pardons that really would have mattered, such as Scooter Libby, Ignacio Ramos, or Jose Compean.

I disagree on the importance of pardons. Bush is incredibly stingy with the pardon power, having used it less than half as much as Clinton or Reagan. He has directed the Office of Pardon Attorney to select only those extraordinary cases to date.

So far, nothing overly political or egregious such as a Marc Rich or all of Clinton's cronies as Clinton had done.

I'd be real interested to see if he goes ahead and pardons Ramos and Compean; Libby's sentence was already commuted.

953 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:17:27pm

re: #946 Occasional Reader

I only share these posts with you guys because I'm very frond of all of you.

Leaf it alone!

954 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:17:31pm

re: #941 Occasional Reader

Hey friend,

Just be happy that I'm happy out here in the Texas pasture, joyous Christmas to you and yours. ;-)

955 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:17:32pm

re: #936 HoosierHoops

You collect ancient/old coins? I have for years.. My oldest is from 1361.

My collection is very small now, and inexpensive. Over the last 5 years, since my career went south, I have had to sell most of my high powered stuff.

I have 50 or so plain vanilla stuff.

My area of expertise was ancient Greece and Rome. Appox. 400B.C.E through the end of the Roman Empire.

Even though I don't have much of a collection left, I still have a small decent library of books on the subject and I still have all the knowledge in my head.

956 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:17:59pm

re: #928 J.S.

argh...another senior moment...the date is December 9, (not sept and not the 8), December 9, 2008...

957 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:18:19pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

958 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:18:25pm

re: #950 HoosierHoops

My Son is a grunt with the 3/5 Marines...

It's terrible that racist AmeriKKKa only counts a black serviceman as 3/5 of a Marine!

/moonbat

959 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:18:41pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

re: #950 HoosierHoops

I linked this earlier, but here goes again: Marine making 250-mile trek in support of the Troops

960 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:19:05pm

re: #954 'Nam Grunt

Hey friend,

Just be happy that I'm happy out here in the Texas pasture, joyous Christmas to you and yours. ;-)

Ah, so they finally put you out to pasture...

:P

Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to you, man.

961 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:19:09pm
962 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:19:51pm
963 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:20:06pm

re: #887 Occasional Reader

To paraphrase (and invert) the Dodo in Alice in Wonderland:

"EVERYBODY has failed, and all must have bailouts."

Might I suggest that the top executives at the banks involved should each and all be sacked, and presented with an elegant thimble as a severance package?

964 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:20:10pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone, don't ever forget about us, I spent two Christmas's in the 'Nam Jungle with Great Warriors beside me in my youth and this is what I think about every year at this time. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

You have made me cry sir... No easy task I tell you. Merry Christmas SIR and thank you for your service.

965 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:21:04pm
966 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:21:28pm

re: #952 lawhawk

So far, nothing overly political or egregious such as a Marc Rich or all of Clinton's cronies as Clinton had done.

I'd be real interested to see if he goes ahead and pardons Ramos and Compean; Libby's sentence was already commuted.

Cronyism...ugh. You got that one right.

To this non-lawyer a commutation ain't a pardon, you just don't get poked with the stick as hard.

967 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:09pm

re: #851 jcm

Okay this one might be thread worthy.

Iranian Contest Of Throwing Shoes At A Bush Effigy.
Complete with chants of Death to American!

These Shoes are Made for Throwin’

You keep saying you've got Democracy.
something you call free, but confess.
You've been nation building, in an oily sandbox
and having to put up with hostile press.

These shoes are made for throwing, and that's just what they'll do
Your lucky that one of these ingrates isn’t flinging poo at you.

Press keeps lying, when they oughta be truthin'
Haven’t found a story they won’t spin.
They keep slamin' you and obfuscating.
Now what's right is right, but they’re relativism.

These shoes are made for throwing, and that's just what they'll do
They love their new free speech rights (just not for Yankees and for Jews).

968 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:19pm

re: #964 doriangrey

TY,

I've spent more than great Christmas's with my two sons when they were growing and still do, but none compare to the Brave Warriors I spent those two years with. ;-)

969 UFO TOFU  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:23pm

re: #925 gop_patriot

Damn, I was hoping for that too.

970 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:29pm

re: #946 Occasional Reader

Thank you berry much.

971 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:35pm

re: #962 buzzsawmonkey

Sadly, once I got the piece home, pried the "coin" out of the setting, and compared it with pictures of the actual coin, it was clear that fake indeed it was.

Your first clue should have been the date on the front, marked "66 C.E.". But no, you wouldn't listen. (Not to mention the depiction of Mount Vernon on the back.)

972 Freedom Fan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:35pm

The Charles' Flashing Rathergate Memo was a blog-wide sensation when it first came out; it put LGF on the map.

Charles' investigative research on this matter is one of those historic events which brought into clear focus the importance of blogs as vital information sources while doubly demonstrating that the MSM was not only guilty of peddling fraud but also its shameful cover up.

Rather's lies become crystal in view of the fact that he never mentions Charles or LGF or tries to deconstruct the logic dramatically demonstrated by the Flashing Memo. Instead he ignores this damning evidence while attempting to smear some vague right wing blogosphere.

Also Dan Rather appeared centrally in Bernie Goldberg's classic tome "BIAS" which specifically demonstrated the systemic dearth of credibility and moral bankruptcy which infected the MSM long before 2008's leg-tingling "Obama Mania Media" became a national embarrassment.

Dan Rather and Mary Mapes continue to pursue a mission of deceit via eager accomplices in the MSM such as National Public Radio.

Now after Obama and his fellow Lib national planning commissars pass the "Fairness Doctrine", NPR still would never be forced to offer Charles an opportunity to counter Rather's tripe. Instead the first amendment-smashing "Fairness Doctrine" will be used to bludgeon only conservatives like Limbaugh and Fox into silence.

Today blogs are king while many MSM players are filing chapter 11. This the legacy of Dan Rather's decadent career. Rather was the leader of the pack who guided the MSM over the cliff. RIP.

973 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:48pm
974 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:53pm

re: #952 lawhawk

I disagree on the importance of pardons. Bush is incredibly stingy with the pardon power, having used it less than half as much as Clinton or Reagan. He has directed the Office of Pardon Attorney to select only those extraordinary cases to date.

So far, nothing overly political or egregious such as a Marc Rich or all of Clinton's cronies as Clinton had done.

I'd be real interested to see if he goes ahead and pardons Ramos and Compean; Libby's sentence was already commuted.

I'm waiting to see if he pardons poor ol' Edwin Edwards, former Gov of La. - served four 4-year terms; 2 4-year terms one time, then a break, then 2 more 4-year terms.

975 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:23:58pm

Please ignore: test

976 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:24:26pm

re: #967 DaddyG

These Shoes are Made for Throwin’

You keep saying you've got Democracy.
something you call free, but confess.
You've been nation building, in an oily sandbox
and having to put up with hostile press.

These shoes are made for throwing, and that's just what they'll do
Your lucky that one of these ingrates isn’t flinging poo at you.

Press keeps lying, when they oughta be truthin'
Haven’t found a story they won’t spin.
They keep slamin' you and obfuscating.
Now what's right is right, but they’re relativism.

These shoes are made for throwing, and that's just what they'll do
They love their new free speech rights (just not for Yankees and for Jews).

So who do you think you are? Buzzmonkey?

977 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:24:29pm

re: #962 buzzsawmonkey

I was poking around a flea market once years ago and found what appeared to be a First Revolt silver half-shekel, set into a fairly crappy silver ring setting which had traces of gold wash, in a pile of other silver and silver-plated junk. The guy selling the stuff wanted about $20 for the ring.

On the off-chance that the coin was real--First Revolt coins were not nearly as valuable and sought after 30-40 years ago, and the wear on the ring setting indicated it was at least that old--I figured it would be better to blow the $20 on a fake than spend the rest of my life wondering.

Jewish ancient coinage has become very popular in the last 20 years (and very pricey). 1st and 2nd revolt coins, especially silver, has skyrocketed.

I only have one Jewish piece left, it's Hasmonean. As I mentioned above, my speciality was Greek/Roman, but that did include Jewish coinage because they were a "colony" of both Greece and Rome.
Sadly, once I got the piece home, pried the "coin" out of the setting, and compared it with pictures of the actual coin, it was clear that fake indeed it was. But I'd do it again.

978 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:24:35pm

re: #946 Occasional Reader

I only share these posts with you guys because I'm very frond of all of you.


Well played. Take a bough.

979 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:24:42pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

Hey! Same to You and Yours from Me and Mine!

980 MikeG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:24:44pm

When is this going to trial? I wonder the throbbing memo will be introduced as evidence, it's just as damning to the defense as they were complicit in releasing this story with fake documents. Perhaps if they do CJ will get the credit where credit is due.

981 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:26:31pm

re: #974 reine.de.tout

I'm waiting to see if he pardons poor ol' Edwin Edwards, former Gov of La. - served four 4-year terms; 2 4-year terms one time, then a break, then 2 more 4-year terms.

And they'd re-elect him in a heartbeat if they could!

982 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:26:34pm

re: #973 Iron Fist

I've always preferred a good, old-fashion whorehouse.


"Bordello" is such a nicer-sounding word...

983 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:27:21pm

re: #981 redstateredneck

And they'd re-elect him in a heartbeat if they could!

prolly.
I never ever knew anyone who voted for him - but he kept winning. Go figure.

984 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:28:49pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone, don't ever forget about us, I spent two Christmas's in the 'Nam Jungle with Great Warriors beside me in my youth and this is what I think about every year at this time. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

Thank you for a Merry Christmas.
Because of all the 'Nam vets, a critical battle in the Cold War was won (we won't talk about what DC did)
Because of the vets, I can have a Merry Christmas.
Thank you all the vets.

985 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:28:57pm

re: #962 buzzsawmonkey

I would have done the same thing Buzz.. Sometimes you just have to separate the wheat from the chaff...

986 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:29:28pm

re: #983 reine.de.tout

prolly.
I never ever knew anyone who voted for him - but he kept winning. Go figure.

Girl, I worked with a lot of people in South Louisiana (New Iberia, St. Martinville, Carencro, Jeanerette). They loved the man.

987 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:29:31pm
988 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:30:48pm

re: #982 Occasional Reader

"Bordello" is such a nicer-sounding word...

Just like "garage" sounds so much nicer than "car-hole."

989 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:30:53pm
990 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:30:55pm

re: #333 Charles

Yep:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

How you've grown!
That link indicates only 372 comments.
You'd get ten times that many today.
(for good reason)

991 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:31:38pm

re: #988 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just like "garage" sounds so much nicer than "car-hole."

That was just wrong.

992 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:31:44pm

re: #986 redstateredneck

Girl, I worked with a lot of people in South Louisiana (New Iberia, St. Martinville, Carencro, Jeanerette). They loved the man.

His home territory, that.

993 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:31:55pm

Sorry - got sidetracked - phone call - where are we at, now?

994 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:32:14pm

re: #993 yma o hyd

Sorry - got sidetracked - phone call - where are we at, now?

New thread just up; not sure who's left here.

995 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:32:48pm

re: #994 reine.de.tout

New thread just up; not sure who's left here.

Shall we swish upstairs then?

996 redstateredneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:33:04pm

Gotta run and get some work done. See y'all upthread.

997 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:33:24pm

re: #885 Killgore Trout

CNN header: President Bush grants 19 pardons; Vice President Cheney's former Chief of Staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby is not among them.

Well, it's still only December 23rd. I think there will be more on January 19th or 20th. I don't believe Ramos and Compean will get pardons though, because Bush has stood behind the prosecutor. Truthfully, I don't think he gives a flip about Ramos and Compean.

998 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:33:40pm

re: #996 redstateredneck

Gotta run and get some work done. See y'all upthread.

bye, hon!

999 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:34:05pm

re: #995 yma o hyd

Shall we swish upstairs then?

Yep, I'm already there, just switching (not swishing) back and forth.

1000 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:34:10pm

re: #997 Ward Cleaver

Well, it's still only December 23rd. I think there will be more on January 19th or 20th. I don't believe Ramos and Compean will get pardons though, because Bush has stood behind the prosecutor. Truthfully, I don't think he gives a flip about Ramos and Compean.

I doubt Pollard will be pardoned, either. But he should be.

1001 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:34:58pm

re: #975 Killgore Trout

Please ignore: test

You do know the "please ignore" thing is going to get you a record number of hits.

1002 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:35:34pm

re: #987 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, the prices have gone wild. Even a badly corroded bronze coin of the Bar Kochba revolt goes for hundreds now, and the First Revolt shekels and half-shekels, which are really beautiful, are in the thousands. Shekels of Tyre are pricy too.

It's still occasionally possible to find the small bronzes from the Hasmonean era up through the First Revolt--the vine leaf and amphora prutah--for as little as $30. I like to give them as bar mitzvah presents when I can find them and the kid seems receptive (13 being prime coin-collecting age), since it gives the kids a physical connection to Jewish history and the time before the Second Temple was destroyed.

Where as Meshor (sp?) got the ball rolling on ancient Jewish coins, David Hendin really increased the knowledge base (working on top of Meshor) and also made those coins a very marketable item.

And of course, the creation of businesses like Ebay has greatly effect the popularity of certain collectible and the price.

Although, for ancient coins (and other collectibles) you really have to know what you are looking at or really know the dealer or you will get screwed.

I can browse page after page of ancient coins on Ebay and show you tons of fakes being sold as authentic.

Buyer beware.

1003 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:36:00pm

re: #982 Occasional Reader

"Bordello" is such a nicer-sounding word...

"Bordello" got borrowed into Russian (and russified a bit) as bordák -- which means simply "an incredibly messy and chaotic place" without any necessary implications of sexual shenanigans.

But the cool/funny part is that the diminutive form, bordachók, became their standard term for an automobile's "glove compartment"!

1004 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:36:18pm

re: #976 doriangrey

So who do you think you are? Buzzmonkey?

Imitation is the sincerest form of parasite.

1005 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:36:51pm

re: #989 buzzsawmonkey

And if it had been real...$20 to get a $1500 coin would have been a big thrill.

If you want a good book on ancient coin fakes, get Classical Deceptions by Sayles.

1006 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:37:09pm

myspace.com/hannajahanforooz

interesting music from a Iranian Jewish women living in Israel.

1007 MadNachos  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:37:13pm

The 'sure its a fake but it does not mean its not true' comments on NPR's website...such flawless logic ;-) The left can be so pathetic when driven by hate.

1008 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:38:19pm

re: #982 Occasional Reader

"Bordello" is such a nicer-sounding word...

So is legislature.

1009 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:38:29pm

re: #1003 Throbert McGee

"Bordello" got borrowed into Russian (and russified a bit) as bordák -- which means simply "an incredibly messy and chaotic place"

Huh. Interesting. Is there a very similar word "bardak" which means "chaos"? Or is it the same word?

1010 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:38:45pm

re: #971 Occasional Reader

Your first clue should have been the date on the front, marked "66 C.E.". But no, you wouldn't listen. (Not to mention the depiction of Mount Vernon on the back.)

You mean I shouldn't trust these MREs labeled quite clearly "World War I"?

1011 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:39:47pm

re: #1010 Silhouette

You mean I shouldn't trust these MREs labeled quite clearly "World War I"?

No. And I have bad news about your authentic "100 B.C." Roman coin collection...

1012 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:39:47pm

re: #999 reine.de.tout

Yep, I'm already there, just switching (not swishing) back and forth.

You're a girl, you are allowed to swish... ;)

1013 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:39:56pm

re: #1002 Walter L. Newton

the same thing applies to jewish postal history, esp the early stuff and holocoust material easy to fake. as most of it that is real was printed letter press or using hand stamps and that would be easy to fake.

1014 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:40:59pm

re: #1010 Silhouette

You mean I shouldn't trust these MREs labeled quite clearly "World War I"?

And now this rings a bell... wasn't there a movie that takes place during WWI, in which one of the characters casually mentions how we're in "World War One"?

1015 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:42:26pm
1016 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:44:32pm

re: #1013 yochanan

the same thing applies to jewish postal history, esp the early stuff and holocoust material easy to fake. as most of it that is real was printed letter press or using hand stamps and that would be easy to fake.

If you are ever looking for a source of holocoust material, a trusting source, see Bill Rosenblum Rare Coins...

A very good friend of mine, and expert on both ancient coinage, including Jewish, and he sells holocoust related material.

[Link: www.rosenblumcoins.com...]

1017 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:45:04pm

buzzsawmonkey, if you're really interested in this sort of historic Judaica, I have an authentic First Revolt word processor I can let go to you for a stunningly reasonable price.

/semi back on topic

1018 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:45:53pm
1019 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:49:25pm

re: #1015 buzzsawmonkey

Until a few years ago, I would have said the small bronzes were probably not part of the fake market, insofar as they show too much variation (the Hasmoneans in particular were really lousy at making well-struck coins, and half-strikes were common) and were not really selling for enough money to make faking them worthwhile.

Given the number of more recent pieces of Judaica I have seen that are forged (especially spice boxes and supposed examples of the ornate "community wedding rings" which were produced in small quantities two or three hundred years ago), I am no longer so sure. It would be possible for a clever metalworker to make multiple variants and crank them out in quantity, and aggregate selling might make it worthwhile for someone in Russia or the Middle East to do so even if the price of an individual piece was not very high.

The "Belgium" boys are knocking out even the common stuff. It's a matter of demand. If you can only sell a 4th century Roman fake for 5 dollars once in a while, it's not worth it. But now, when you have outlets like Ebay, where you can reach millions of potential buyers, those 5 dollar fakes become profitable.

Really, I've seen 4th century Constentine stuff faked, plain vanilla stuff (most of that era is plain vanilla) on sale on Ebay.

And most of the "artist" learned from the Belgium forgers, who have been doing it for a hundred years. There is actually a school for forgers.

1020 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:50:36pm
1021 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:52:03pm

re: #1020 buzzsawmonkey

The question is, can you trust their diplomas?

And did the guy who did the Bush letter this is a thread about flunk out? Or was rejected?

1022 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:52:44pm

re: #1020 buzzsawmonkey

The question is, can you trust their diplomas?

Faking their diploma is the final.
/

1023 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:52:52pm

re: #1018 buzzsawmonkey

Ha! You can't fool me; there's no Hebrew font!

Hey, this is an authentic "MacAbeeBook". Trust me.

1024 Buck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:53:07pm

re: #702 Killgore Trout

Beware the monitor lizards...
Komodo Dragons eats whole pig

Reminds me of my in-laws at Christmas dinner...

1025 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 12:56:37pm

re: #1023 Occasional Reader

Hey, this is an authentic "MacAbeeBook". Trust me.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL... oops... choke.

1026 Ty85719  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:10:18pm

The entire story also ignores the fact that timelines, peoples' titles, and personal associations between people mentioned within the letter as well as those who supposedly handled the letter were found to be completely innacurate, which was corroborated by reports that the very people mentioned within the letter, as well as those who handled the original letter deny its authenticity and accuracy.

I suppose the memory of a geriatric Mr. Rather is not what it once was...perhaps by choice.

I am still dying to know the source of the forgery.

1027 mean Gene  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:14:11pm

Weren't there ''chain of custody'' problems with these ''documents,'' as well as the font problems?
Did the person (was it a women?) ever come forward who dropped these off at a County Fair?
I think Dan knows he's defending crap.
He's just been in it so long he's forgotten that there are people who are clean.

1028 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:20:10pm

NPR has it all wrong—That was a vote for Franken.

1029 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:27:59pm

re: #937 'Nam Grunt

MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone, don't ever forget about us, I spent two Christmas's in the 'Nam Jungle with Great Warriors beside me in my youth and this is what I think about every year at this time. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

One of my favrite Christmas's was The Bob Hope Show at Bearcat Base December 1967.

1030 Indefatigable  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:57:23pm

Someone needs to have a massive email decrying this fraud to the masses. Seriously, the MSM is becoming Minitruth willingly and few seem to care.

1031 rb4269  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:06:52pm

This (along with sooo many other reasons) is why NPR is rightfully considered the AMTRAK of the broadcast industry

1032 Paul  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:04:04pm

The greatest strength of the Left is they never give up. They'll never admit to Rather's lies, they will always insist and keep insisting that the memos are true. They'll repeat and repeat their lies until their opponents lose interest, give up or die. Then they'll trumpet that they were right all along.

1033 J'accuzzi  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:26:12pm

Oh god, this is like "Groundhog Day" for the left losers. Dan got one thing right, the "fake" word. The hot stuff were fabrications, not forgeries. If they had managed to get access to authentic correspondence, paper stock and typewriters from the period they might have been able to pull it off with the aid of a few skillful forgers.

A lot of revisionist stuff like this will eventually crowd out the truth if the left has its way.

1034 Special Forces Grunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:28:30pm

Just a thought: Has anyone measured the size of the paper used? Military correspondence for some strange reason back then has always been 8x10 1/2 (as opposed to 8 1/2x11). I suspect that the reduced size of the paper was an attempt at cost cutting, but if the supposedly actual letter was on the larger letterhead sheet then it was a fake.

1035 karl__lembke  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:52:31am

Interestingly enough, when I linked to Scott Johnson's piece at Powerline, I got a comment, allegedly from Marcel B. Matley who, I am apparently to believe, took time out from his busy day to peruse my blog and leave a comment:

Mr. Johnson is invited to compare a copy of the Killian documents to Times New Roman on his computer. The design of letters differs, such as lower case "r." In Times New Roman the finish of the "r" branches from the vertical stem. In the Killian documents it is almost level across the top. The capital letters in the Killian documents have dimples at the top, but the tops of Times New Roman capitals are straight without dimples. And there are other differences.

If one takes any given letter in the copies available originally, and if one enlarged all instances of this letter, the wide variation due to toner loss and toner build-up would show the impossibility of identifying the font. However, it is easy to eliminate most fonts, such as Times New Roman, merely by showing at least one character is differently designed.


And indeed, examination of the first letters of "Harris" and "Hodges" shows they have a distinctly different design, and so the Killian memo used a different font than the Killian memo does.


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 Frank says:

It's not pretty, also you can't dance to it.