Wow! Didn't see that coming.
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They may be waiting to make sure it's not from the Mayor of Paris before printing it.

That's because the NY Times agrees with Ayers' philosophy, and rejects the government version of events.

The NYT: Only the news we like do we print.

Second "op-ed" they've refused to run, isn't it? Well, that we know about.
Wasn't the first one by McCain, after they ran a piece by The One?

What liberal bias?

Ayers is a despicable murderer, and the NY Times is complicit in his crimes by covering up for him.

From 1969 to 1981, the NY Times fairly neutrally reported on Ayers criminal whirlwind. Since then, they have passed over to the dark side.

NYT....
Commie loving, freedom hating, fellow traveling bastards with blood on their hands since 1932.

A Merry Bankruptcy, and Happy Foreclosures to them all.

Pajamas Media eats NYT's lunch. I hope they have something more substatial for dinner.

Gee, how many more subscriptions, and jobs, will this cost you, Pinchie?

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What liberal bias?

It's not bias when the FMSM does it. That slur is for Republicans.

Previous thread topic: "Fake, but accurate."

Current thread topic: "True, but inconvenient."

Robert Kennedy, possibly the most notable anti-Vietnam war leader of the late 60s, was assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan in 1968. The Weather Underground published Prairie Fire in 1974 and dedicated it to Sirhan Sirhan. Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dorhn, and others signed this dedication but now they would ask us to accept their explanation that all they wanted to accomplish was an end to the war in Vietnam.

Looks like someone read LGF.

re: #7 zombie

Ayers is a despicable murderer, and the NY Times is complicit in his crimes by covering up for him.

From 1969 to 1981, the NY Times fairly neutrally reported on Ayers criminal whirlwind. Since then, they have passed over to the dark side.

But, he's a close friend of the messiah. He must be telling the truth.
//nyslimes editorial board.

I like Grathwohl's final paragraph:

"I must conclude by acknowledging that in one respect Bill is probably being absolutely truthful. When he says that “I never killed or injured anyone,” he is most likely being totally honest. Bill, like Charles Manson, never exposed himself to any kind of danger. He always gave orders and then left it to his then-girlfriend, Diane Oughton, and others to implement his plan. If you listen closely you can even hear the similarities in the arguments Manson and Billy use today to justify what they did: the 60s made me do it."

re: #5 reine.de.tout

Second "op-ed" they've refused to run, isn't it? Well, that we know about.
Wasn't the first one by McCain, after they ran a piece by The One?

I think that's the second highly publicized item.
Might be a different guy, but Fox had somebody on a talk show when the Ayers stuff was threatening to get some serious public attention, complaining about exactly this issue.

Went ... nowhere.

re: #15 zombie

I like Grathwohl's final paragraph:

"I must conclude by acknowledging that in one respect Bill is probably being absolutely truthful. When he says that “I never killed or injured anyone,” he is most likely being totally honest. Bill, like Charles Manson, never exposed himself to any kind of danger. He always gave orders and then left it to his then-girlfriend, Diane Oughton, and others to implement his plan. If you listen closely you can even hear the similarities in the arguments Manson and Billy use today to justify what they did: the 60s made me do it."

Just like Hitler or Himmler never personally kills anyone. Ugh, the moral relativism is gag-reflex inducing.

Bill, like Charles Manson, never exposed himself to any kind of danger. He always gave orders and then left it to his then-girlfriend, Diane Oughton, and others to implement his plan. If you listen closely you can even hear the similarities in the arguments Manson and Billy use today to justify what they did: the 60s made me do it.

And this is how we let terrorists go free.

re: #13 Sharmuta

Looks like someone read LGF.

LGF was not around when I first heard about that.
Back then, newspapers and magazines would actually print the references.

Of course, back then, Ayers was considered dangerous.

Pravda marvels at the NYSlimes ability to do the kind of intentional deceitful propaganda that they only dreamed of doing.

Ayers deserves a short fall with a quick stop.

Totally unsurprising. Why would they print something bad about a terrorist?

Grathwohl heard with his own ears Ayers and his pals offhandedly planning the mass execution of 25 million conservative Americans who might resist brainwashing in the Weather Overground's Indoctrination Camps, once Ayers' revolution was successful.

But Grathwohl gets no credibility because he was working for the government.

Ayers gets credibility because he was working to destroy the government.

That is the topsy-turvy value system of the NY Times.

re: #22 simonml

Totally unsurprising. Why would they print something bad about a terrorist?

What terrorist? He was an "activist".

re: #19 jwb7605

LGF was not around when I first heard about that.
Back then, newspapers and magazines would actually print the references.

Of course, back then, Ayers was considered dangerous.

And he's far more dangerous now, influencing educational practices around the country.

Not
Your
Tale to tell

I must conclude by acknowledging that in one respect Bill is probably being absolutely truthful. When he says that “I never killed or injured anyone,” he is most likely being totally honest. Bill, like Charles Manson, never exposed himself to any kind of danger. He always gave orders and then left it to his then-girlfriend, Diane Oughton, and others to implement his plan. If you listen closely you can even hear the similarities in the arguments Manson and Billy use today to justify what they did: the 60s made me do it.

Also very similar to other famous terrorists like osama, and yaser arafat. Bunch of damn cowards if you ask me.

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What terrorist? He was an "activist".

He's a community disorganizer.

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What terrorist? He was an "activist".

And a community organizer, too, wasn't he?

The old gray lady fair and balanced as usual......

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re: #15 zombie

I like Grathwohl's final paragraph:

"I must conclude by acknowledging that in one respect Bill is probably being absolutely truthful. When he says that “I never killed or injured anyone,” he is most likely being totally honest. Bill, like Charles Manson, never exposed himself to any kind of danger. He always gave orders and then left it to his then-girlfriend, Diane Oughton, and others to implement his plan. If you listen closely you can even hear the similarities in the arguments Manson and Billy use today to justify what they did: the 60s made me do it."

I'm not sure I would agree. Manson didn't design bombs or set others to build bombs on his say-so. Ayers did. It was an Ayers designed bomb that killed Oughton and two other terrorists in that Greenwich Village explosion, which sent the Weather Underground terrorists actually underground and out of sight until the Brinks heist in Nanuet NY.

And Ayer's agenda remains unchanged. It's just being pursued sans explosives now.

re: #30 vapig

The old gray lady fair and balanced as usual......

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Senile and unbalanced is more like it.

re: #20 doriangrey

Pravda marvels at the NYSlimes ability to do the kind of intentional deceitful propaganda that they only dreamed of doing.

At least with Pravda everyone knew it was all propaganda.

re: #27 Sharmuta

Also very similar to other famous terrorists like osama, and yaser arafat. Bunch of damn cowards if you ask me.

It's far too easy to find groups who feel "disenfranchised" to do their dirty work, while they sit back in Dacha's and plan Utopia while keeping a "clean conscience" knowing it's all for the good of the people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

"One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."

And they publish the op-eds of terrorists because it is "important to "get all sides, even those at war with America."

It would seem it is important to them to ONLY get the side of those at war with America.

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ayers deserves a short fall with a quick stop.

Nope, that's far to good for him, I rather see either how long he can hold his breath (San Quentins gas chamber) , or how much he can arch his back (Rikers Island's electric chair)... Oh yea, ride the fucking lightning William Ayers....

re: #23 zombie

Grathwohl heard with his own ears Ayers and his pals offhandedly planning the mass execution of 25 million conservative Americans who might resist brainwashing in the Weather Overground's Indoctrination Camps, once Ayers' revolution was successful.

But Grathwohl gets no credibility because he was working for the government.

Ayers gets credibility because he was working to destroy the government.

That is the topsy-turvy value system of the NY Times.

But they weren't serious about it though....

/

re: #34 Jinx

At least with Pravda everyone knew it was all propaganda.

Pinch is making a comic book character J. Jonah Jameson look more and more human and reasonable with every new edition of the NYT published.

re: #19 jwb7605

I think you might be misunderstanding- it was because of zombie and LGF that Prairie Fire was re-introduced on the ayers stage. hannity picked it up and ran it on fox- I highly doubt this FBI agent recalled this one tidbit of ayers information on his own. It's likely this agent did get this off Fox, but it would be because of Charles and zombie that it was noticed.

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

Bill Ayers is Charles Manson--with a trust fund, a better education, better connections and a better line of guff.

And he is the Fort Dix Five.

re: #15 zombie

I like Grathwohl's final paragraph:

"I must conclude by acknowledging that in one respect Bill is probably being absolutely truthful. When he says that “I never killed or injured anyone,” he is most likely being totally honest. Bill, like Charles Manson, never exposed himself to any kind of danger. He always gave orders and then left it to his then-girlfriend, Diane Oughton, and others to implement his plan. If you listen closely you can even hear the similarities in the arguments Manson and Billy use today to justify what they did: the 60s made me do it."

And the Eighties made me join the Army.

:)

re: #39 doriangrey

Nope, that's far to good for him, I rather see either how long he can hold his breath (San Quentins gas chamber) , or how much he can arch his back (Rikers Island's electric chair)... Oh yea, ride the fucking lightning William Ayers....

It all depends on how you set the knot.

NY Slime is worth a penny but still I would not read it.

re: #7 zombie

Ayers is a despicable murderer, and the NY Times is complicit in his crimes by covering up for him.

From 1969 to 1981, the NY Times fairly neutrally reported on Ayers criminal whirlwind. Since then, they have passed over to the dark side.

From my vantage the hippy-dippy-commie SDS types graduated from and then got teaching jobs with "higher education".

And proceeded to 'teach' a new younger set of 'journalists'.
This went largely unnoticed for 25 years ... a complete "generation".
Personally, I think it probably went on longer than that, since the behavior and philosophies were tolerated and somewhat encouraged, beginning with 'prestigious' universities.
Who was it said the "chickens are coming home to roost"?

This, on top of the blatantly one-sided piece on Sunday on the mortgage mess that the Times blamed squarely on Bush with no mention of Democrats protecting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and taking their campaign contributions by the boatload, just shows you how far the New York Times has fallen.

They are like the Völkischer Beobachter, the Nazi newspaper.

If it doesn't fit their agenda, they don't print it. If the facts don't fit the agenda, they ignore it, or just make it up.

Hey, whaddya know, I play a very minor role in this op-ed. From Grathwohl's letter:

Personally, I can think of nothing that would justify the activities of the Weather Underground and am astonished by Bill Ayers’ attempts to corrupt the historical facts by making himself a misunderstood leader of the anti-war movement. Robert Kennedy, possibly the most notable anti-Vietnam war leader of the late 60s, was assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan in 1968. The Weather Underground published Prairie Fire in 1974 and dedicated it to Sirhan Sirhan.

That was first pointed out in my essay!

The ripples keep expanding.

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

Bill Ayers is Charles Manson--with a trust fund, a better education, better connections and a better line of guff.

I equate him more as being the American bin Laden, do whatever it takes to destroy the US.

.........NYT...FACTS? WE DON NEED NO STINKING FACTS!

Thanks to Bob Owens for securing the Op Ed piece and running it on PJM. Thanks Mr. Grathwohl for having the guts to continue to speak out against Ayers.
Thanks Charles for taking the ball and running with it.
This piece needs to be passed on to every blog that wishes to make a dissent statement to Ayers and to The NYTimes. That is: You can't stop the truth or the signal!

So, where does the 'Fairness Doctrine' come into play? These are the same people bitching and moaning about it for broadcast media, but not for their own nonsense they publish. Something about a mote and a beam in eyes....

re: #49 zombie

Hey, whaddya know, I play a very minor role in this op-ed. From Grathwohl's letter:

That was first pointed out in my essay!

The ripples keep expanding.

Just don't go and hold your breath awaiting for credit.

The Huffington Post Slammed for Content Theft

The Huffington Post, a venture-capital-backed new media site that mixes links to other sites content with hundreds of celebrity and volunteer blogger posts, is being accused of slimy business practices by a handful of smaller publications who say the site is unfairly copying and publishing their content.

Whet Moser, an editor at alternatative weekly Chicago Reader wants to know why The Huffington Post's newly formed Chicago-focused venture is stealing their copyrighted concert reviews and reprinting them in whole in order to get search engine traffic. And he found other examples taken wholesale from The Onion and Time Out Chicago.

re: #47 jwb7605

From my vantage the hippy-dippy-commie SDS types graduated from and then got teaching jobs with "higher education".

And proceeded to 'teach' a new younger set of 'journalists'.
This went largely unnoticed for 25 years ... a complete "generation".
Personally, I think it probably went on longer than that, since the behavior and philosophies were tolerated and somewhat encouraged, beginning with 'prestigious' universities.
Who was it said the "chickens are coming home to roost"?

You see the effect in Media, Journalism and the churches who espouse Liberation Theology.

But it was not terrorism; we were not engaged in a campaign to kill and injure people indiscriminately, spreading fear and suffering for political ends.
William Ayers
He [the devil] was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies (John 8:44).

re: #25 jcm

And he's far more dangerous now, influencing educational practices around the country.

You're seeing the difference between being and perceived now. Apparently, society needs the simultaneous occurrence of perception and reality to respond to things.

re: #30 vapig

The old gray lady fair and balanced as usual......

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And apparently near bankruptcy, too!

/stroke, stroke stroke, bail, bail, bail.

Somebody must have told the Times they can't get bailout money until they're not selling any papers.

re: #41 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pinch is making a comic book character J. Jonah Jameson look more and more human and reasonable with every new edition of the NYT published.

J. Jonah Jameson had redeeming qualities. Plus he employed Peter Parker.

re: #59 Conservative in Liberal Hands

And apparently near bankruptcy, too!

/stroke, stroke stroke, bail, bail, bail.

If only that old bitch would have a fatal stroke....

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

Your point is salient.

The 800 pound Gorilla when it comes to the NYT, is that they felt obligated to print stories that exposed covert operations in hunting terrorists. Un-effing-believable. The publishers/editors/managers deserve to rot in h#ll for that. If Bill Kristol had real principal, he would not have accepted his gig with them.

This kind of stuff I suppose adds to the damning evidence against them, but it's background noise compared to their big crime, IMO.

re: #63 doriangrey

Soon enough!

re: #66 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Soon enough!

No, far far far overdue. The damage they have done is utterly staggering.

Billy Ayers is Manson with a shave and a bath...and a tilty head (see mugshot)

re: #58 jwb7605

You're seeing the difference between being and perceived now. Apparently, society needs the simultaneous occurrence of perception and reality to respond to things.

A society with a 30 minute sitcom attention span is doomed.

re: #23 zombie

Grathwohl heard with his own ears Ayers and his pals offhandedly planning the mass execution of 25 million conservative Americans who might resist brainwashing in the Weather Overground's Indoctrination Camps, once Ayers' revolution was successful.

But Grathwohl gets no credibility because he was working for the government.

Ayers gets credibility because he was working to destroy the government.

That is the topsy-turvy value system of the NY Times.

It would seem to be the topsy-turvy value system of the general public.

Boy- between outing national security secrets and giving op-ed space to a known domestic terrorist, I'd almost think the nyt is biased. Slightly. /

Irony? Check out the Code of Ethics published by the Society of Professional Journalists

Seek Truth and Report It
Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.
Journalists should:
— Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
— Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources' reliability.
— Always question sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
— Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
— Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
— Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
— Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
— Never plagiarize.
— Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
— Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
— Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
— Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
— Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
— Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
— Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
— Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public's business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.

(there is much more)

re: #47 jwb7605

From my vantage the hippy-dippy-commie SDS types graduated from and then got teaching jobs with "higher education".

And proceeded to 'teach' a new younger set of 'journalists'.

Behold some of the 45 Goals of The Communist Party

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
...
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

NYTimes:

All the news that's shit to print.

re: #68 jcbunga

Billy Ayers is Manson with a shave and a bath...and a tilty head (see mugshot)

Hammer and sickle on his forehead?

re: #36 solomonpanting

And Obama considered this man a friend as well as an important political connection. I don't really know which one of these scares me more. Not that that really matters. Obama's a fellow traveler with these terrorists, no matter how you dress it up. To quote the Messiah "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."

Part of the dinosaur media's problem is that they spend way too much money and ink trying to rewrite history, or rehabilitate the image(s) of bad guys.
Dan Rathers, Ayers, et al.

re: #71 Sharmuta

Boy- between outing national security secrets and giving op-ed space to a known domestic terrorist, I'd almost think the nyt is biased. Slightly. /

The NYSlimes is a textbook on how to go from being a upstanding member of the Fourth Estate to treasonous member of the Fifth Column.

re: #42 Sharmuta

I think you might be misunderstanding- it was because of zombie and LGF that Prairie Fire was re-introduced on the ayers stage. hannity picked it up and ran it on fox- I highly doubt this FBI agent recalled this one tidbit of ayers information on his own. It's likely this agent did get this off Fox, but it would be because of Charles and zombie that it was noticed.

This was some guy involved in the investigation at the time.
Not the undercover guy, though.
He said that his article, letter, I forget what was rejected.

If your point is that the Praire Fire stuff was resurrected by LGF, OK, no argument.
I'm just saying that apparently there are a lot of things that never see the NYT (and several other papers) light of day.

re: #72 Outrider

Irony? Check out the Code of Ethics published by the Society of Professional Journalists

(there is much more)

Code of Ethics....something current journalists have never wanted any hint of being associated with.

re: #72 Outrider

Does Dan Rather know rule #1?

— Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.

Interestingly, I just saw a documentary about Hans-Joachim Klein, who essentially was the German Bill Ayers. Their life-arcs are fairly identical. Same age, radicalized at the exact same time, both became communist terrorists in the same year, both got in over their heads, both went underground and formed terror cells, both participated in heinous fatal terror acts, both tried to call it quits in 1975, etc. etc.

The difference is this: Klein, after being finally caught decades later and serving a fairly short sentence, now realizes the error of his ways and totally rejects his previous philosophy. Furthermore, he admits culpability, and takes responsibility for what he did.

In that regard, he is the exact opposite of Bill Ayers, who still tries to feign innocence, who still hews to the same murderous philosophy, unchanged.

Interesting contrast.

re: #80 FurryOldGuyJeans

Code of Ethics....something current journalists have never wanted any hint of being associated with.

And wouldn't recognize if it ran them over at 120 mph...

re: #72 Outrider

What do ethics matter we you are changing world?

re: #76 Iron Fist

One can only hope Obama is vetted before his Administration is finished.
But I'm not holding my breath.

If only we had a media water carrier around here who could explain this to us.

re: #86 solomonpanting

Cool avatar

Ayers to this day is a nasty little punk. His wife may actually be worse.

re: #87 Sharmuta

If only we had a media water carrier around here who could explain this to us.

Say cognito three times and he'll probably oblige you.

re: #69 jcm

re: #69 jcm

A society with a 30 minute sitcom attention span is doomed.

I truly don't think that the majority of our society can focus on one issue for longer than 5 minutes now....

re: #87 Sharmuta

If only we had a media water carrier around here who could explain this to us.

No, we don't! ;)

re: #73 Silhouette

Behold some of the 45 Goals of The Communist Party

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
...
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

Thanks.
I'm going to keep a sharp eye out now in case that starts to happen.
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Do you need to be scum to work in the press and media or does working in the press and media turn normal people into scum.

And is the effect accelerated if you work for the NY Times, LA Times, Wash Post, CNN, ...............oh hell the list is too long.

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

It's always nice to be compared to Charles Manson. After all, he's a deep thinker and political prisoner. Or something like that.

How long before this sleazy rag fianlly just fades off into oblivion?

What a P.O.S.

re: #90 doriangrey

Say cognito three times and he'll probably oblige you.

LOL!

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

I compare him with Manson not only because they are contemporaries in time, and committed crimes around the same time, and because Ayers' wife Bernardine Dohrn expressed her approval of the Manson killings, but because both Manson and Ayers' Weathermen were obsessed with race war. Also, Ayers, like Manson, found others--particularly pliant women--to do his dirty work for him.

Very eerie parallels, indeed.

Except our entire educational system, and now our president elect, are part of the "Ayers Family."

Helter Skelter²

re: #88 Creeping Eruption

Cool avatar

Why thank you. A sign o' the times.

To paraphrase Mark Twain: someone who doesn't follow the news at all is uninformed, whereas regular readers of the New York Times are merely misinformed.

re: #90 doriangrey

Say cognito three times and he'll probably oblige you.

NNNOOOOO!
LOL
/ I said Beetlejuice three times once and all kinds of crap happened

re: #90 doriangrey

Say cognito three times and he'll probably oblige you.

*thump* No, thank you very much, we don't need that. ;)

re: #100 solomonpanting

Why thank you. A sign o' the times.

Ain't that the truth

re: #95 opinionated

Do you need to be scum to work in the press and media or does working in the press and media turn normal people into scum.

And is the effect accelerated if you work for the NY Times, LA Times, Wash Post, CNN, ...............oh hell the list is too long.

You dont need to be scum at the time you are hired, but you do need to be scum to avoid being fired...

re: #99 zombie

Very eerie parallels, indeed.

Except our entire educational system, and now our president elect, are part of the "Ayers Family."

Helter Skelter²

What could possibly go wrong?

re: #91 notutopia

re: #69 jcm

I truly don't think that the majority of our society can focus on one issue for longer than 5 minutes now....

I seem to recall an AP study a few years back that stated the vast majority of Americans read only headlines and the first paragraph. This is what USA Today based their paper on. I'm goggling for it now.

Ayers and his ilk were children of privilege and as such had everything they wanted but lacked the needed direction and self-discipline that comes from working for your rewards. They looked for meaning in a counter-culture (anti-social) movement which found its expression in escapist drug abuse and violent murderous acts and plots. Many of these rebels without a clue were even spared the consequences of the most heinous acts by their well connected and well heeled families.

Fast forward a few decades and they are now "in charge" of teaching whole generations of kids who were raised with as much ease and as little responsibility as them. I fear that we are raising generations of people who feel it is their right to get what they want from others and damn the consequences. It is a recipe for the destruction of free civilizations.

re: #83 zombie

Your link shows a possible reaso : Klein was neither from a well-to-do background (ahem, rich, if you like), and he was not an intellectual. He didn't go to college, he was an actual working-class lad, and became a mechanic befroe he ebcame a terrorist.

That non-intellectual upbringing perhaps made him think honestly for himself, when he gave himself up.
The adulation heaped upon Ayers by all his intellectual 'friends' would in contrast make Ayers feel that he was and is right, all the time ... no need to take honest stock of what he did.

re: #105 doriangrey

You dont need to be scum at the time you are hired, but you do need to be scum to avoid being fired...

Would the NY Times even hire you if you don't demonstrate that you can write and also that you are already scum?

In financial difficulty can they afford to spend the money to turn an applicant into their type of scummy person?

re: #49 zombie

Hey, whaddya know, I play a very minor role in this op-ed. From Grathwohl's letter:

That was first pointed out in my essay!

The ripples keep expanding.

This is because you are the only one who was willing to actually read the book cover to cover. Everyone else could even get through the rambling of the dedication.

Congrats.

re: #83 zombie

Perhaps Germany is unlike the USA, crime here is a business. Prisons are a business. Rehab is a business.
We also don't value or demand personal accountability.
Responsibility is falling by the wayside here...
Very sad indeed.

re: #95 opinionated

Do you need to be scum to work in the press and media or does working in the press and media turn normal people into scum.

I think it naturally attracts those that want to tell others what to do, rather than do things themselves.

How many say they want to "make a difference?"

But clearly, the opposite must also be true as newcomers to the work are likely young and their status very junior; therefore, more easily influenced, molded, or changed.

re: #23 zombie

Grathwohl heard with his own ears Ayers and his pals offhandedly planning the mass execution of 25 million conservative Americans who might resist brainwashing in the Weather Overground's Indoctrination Camps, once Ayers' revolution was successful.

But Grathwohl gets no credibility because he was working for the government.

Ayers gets credibility because he was working to destroy the government.

That is the topsy-turvy value system of the NY Times.

So now we know what Ayers will be doing in the 0bama administration -
Secretary of Re-education

Well, gotta go shovel the global warming.

re: #86 solomonpanting

I think he'll take the mask off eventually. But only after he thinks it is safe for him to. I think his first task is (or at least should be) the Economy. If he fucks that up, the voters will turn on him no matter what else he tries to do.

Likewise, if he succeeds at stabilizing the economy without a round or two of hyperinflation, the voters will let him have a pass on even the most egregious acts.

re: #107 Outrider

I seem to recall an AP study a few years back that stated the vast majority of Americans read only headlines and the first paragraph. This is what USA Today based their paper on. I'm goggling for it now.

I can recall things like that too.

A mantra of the left in the '60s was "question authority"

WTF happened.

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

The "counter-culture" has now gone mainstream: it's the over-the-counter culture.

You should copyright that. Fookin' brilliant.

re: #118 jcm

I can recall things like that too.

A mantra of the left in the '60s was "question authority"

WTF happened.

They never meant their authority.

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

re: #77 rawmuse

Part of the dinosaur media's problem is that they spend way too much money and ink trying to rewrite history, or rehabilitate the image(s) of bad guys.
Dan Rathers, Ayers, et al.

To do otherwise would be to admit that their "social consciousness" is a fraud and their careers have been wasted on lies. They will fight tooth and nail to delude themselves and the more people they can convince that the delusion is real the easier it is for them maintain their self made mirage. Besides it pays to have adoring sheeple - just ask Al Gore.

re: #108 DaddyG

Ayers and his ilk were children of privilege and as such had everything they wanted but lacked the needed direction and self-discipline that comes from working for your rewards. They looked for meaning in a counter-culture (anti-social) movement which found its expression in escapist drug abuse and violent murderous acts and plots. Many of these rebels without a clue were even spared the consequences of the most heinous acts by their well connected and well heeled families.

Fast forward a few decades and they are now "in charge" of teaching whole generations of kids who were raised with as much ease and as little responsibility as them. I fear that we are raising generations of people who feel it is their right to get what they want from others and damn the consequences. It is a recipe for the destruction of free civilizations.

"I fear that we are raising generations of people who feel it is their right to get what they want from others and damn the consequences."

Have you noticed more and more that people aren't bothering to park their cars in parking spaces anymore and just choosing to say 'screw you all' and park right next to the front door of the store where it says 'Fire Zone - NO PARKING'.

Or they just trample security guards to death to get their hands on a $199 WII.

Or vote for guys like Obama.

Im jus sayin.

So by Ayers' logic, he never actually killed anyone, so it's OK. My question is: what's his beef with GWB, then? He never actually killed anyone either in the Iraq or Afghanistan wars. Oh wait, I forgot. When liberals make decisions, we must only look at their intentions. He was just trying to stop America from bombing people by bombing America. How warm and fuzzy. When conservatives make decisions, we must read into them what we know their intentions are, even if there are absolutely no signs that said conservative has ever believed such a thing. A war against Iraq obviously means that we're racist bastards. Case closed.

re: #110 opinionated

Would the NY Times even hire you if you don't demonstrate that you can write and also that you are already scum?

In financial difficulty can they afford to spend the money to turn an applicant into their type of scummy person?

Oh come on, you don't honestly think they managed to shrink their reader base some 90% in the last 40 years without knowing how to spend money like a crack addict do you?

re: #95 opinionated

I don't think they start as scum - however, I think modern journalism is still drunk off the power exerted during Watergate; now, all the journalism bozos can dream of is toppling another (R) President. Frankly, I'd consider the NYSlimes a military target based on their treasonous exposure of the programs used to trap terrorists, including the bank-centric ones. It would be extremely cool to see F15 sorties taking out Pinch's Tower of Terror-enablers.

re: #118 jcm

I can recall things like that too.

A mantra of the left in the '60s was "question authority"

WTF happened.

They became the authority.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

You can definitely pre-salt it. The incoming ice will dilute the mixture, so you may have to salt again later depending on how much you get, but it should greatly improve the safety for a while.

re: #83 zombie

Here's a Red Army Faction member from Germany who was just released after serving 26 years. His group murdered 34 people and injured hundreds and he, like Ayers, never expressed regret.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

Sympathy, from 3000 miles away! Not only does falling like that hurt, but it's embarrassing, too!

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

My mom cracker her tailbone doing that.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Oh, no! Sorry you fell. I know how bad that hurts. Don't know the answer to your salt/ice question, sorry...

(((gentle hugs)))

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

The "counter-culture" has now gone mainstream: it's the over-the-counter culture.

Now that the counter-culture is the establishment will they be tolerant of any protests against them, or will they act the same as the prior establishment they rebelled against?

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

Eggnog or some alcoholic variant, lots of tylenol or variant, and yes, salt the hell out of it.

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

The "counter-culture" has now gone mainstream: it's the over-the-counter culture.

Excellent!

Why don't we see the same crap from other journalists, such as sports writers or economists?

"News" journalists have become like movie critics...they don't produce, don't direct, don't star but they want to. They sit on the periphery and snipe and the ones in the arena.

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My mom cracker her tailbone doing that.

cracked it even.

re: #118 jcm

I can recall things like that too.

A mantra of the left in the '60s was "question authority"

WTF happened.

They are now the authority and have learned their lessons to stay in power. Stifle questions.

re: #107 Outrider

I seem to recall an AP study a few years back that stated the vast majority of Americans read only headlines and the first paragraph. This is what USA Today based their paper on. I'm goggling for it now.

There's a good reason for that. There's nothing worthwhile past that point in most of the media!

re: #129 solomonpanting

Here's a Red Army Faction member from Germany who was just released after serving 26 years. His group murdered 34 people and injured hundreds and he, like Ayers, never expressed regret.

Disgusting. Shocking. That guy was even worse than Klein.

Thanks for that link.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

Salt what? I'd suggest the rim of your drinkie glass.

Bill Ayers was a child of privilege. His father was Thomas Ayers, Chairman of Commonwealth Edison & friend of Richard J Daley.
Fast forward & Chicago Mayor Richie Daley gives Ayers a citizen of the year award to try to impart respectability.
Richie's father might have liked Thomas Ayers, but bet ya he hated Billy

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

homemade remedies: Hot buttered Rum. (take two, and post until morning)
yes, you can salt while it's coming down. Helps prevent the "solid sheet of ice on the bottom" problem, too.

Most of us feel for ya!

From my perspective, I truly cannot figure out how people like Ayers live with themselves. If I had been involved in the things he has done, I probably would have offed myself years ago, instead of trying to promote some kind of "alternate reality" to boost my flagging reputation. Incredible.

re: #130 zombie

Sympathy, from 3000 miles away! Not only does falling like that hurt, but it's embarrassing, too!

I'm 57 and beyond embarrassment anymore.

re: #139 Outrider

They are now the authority and have learned their lessons to stay in power. Stifle questions.

Well, then it's our turn.....

All The News That Fits* We Print.

*Our agenda

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

Bill Ayers is Charles Manson--with a trust fund, a better education, better connections and a better line of guff.

Bill Ayers is just an incompetent Timothy McVeigh, or to carry the analogy a bit further; is just as incompetent as the Fort Dix Six in carrying out terror attacks against Fort Dix, but more competent in the realm of press relations and image/spin control.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

My elderly mother fell in her home three weeks ago and was in excruciating pain that is only now a little less excruciating.

Take comfort in what we took comfort. Could have broken something and it could be a hell of a lot worse.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

I'm so sorry news..
For your injury alternate ice packs and heat every 20 minutes or so.
The ice prevents swelling and the heat helps healing.

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My mom cracker her tailbone doing that.

That musta hurt something awful. Not sure how you would know if you broke something, but I don't think I did. But the ole right cheek is swollen. And new definition of the redass. lol

re: #124 Ann Nonymous

So by Ayers' logic, he never actually killed anyone, so it's OK. My question is: what's his beef with GWB, then? He never actually killed anyone either in the Iraq or Afghanistan wars. Oh wait, I forgot. When liberals make decisions, we must only look at their intentions. He was just trying to stop America from bombing people by bombing America. How warm and fuzzy. When conservatives make decisions, we must read into them what we know their intentions are, even if there are absolutely no signs that said conservative has ever believed such a thing. A war against Iraq obviously means that we're racist bastards. Case closed.

Huh. His justification and rationalization is incompetence? Because it sure wasn't a lack of effort and desire on his part, for example; the planned bombing of the Fort Dix NCO club with an anti-personnel bomb filled with nails.

N.Y. Times does willingly and voluntarily what newspapers fought to not do but only under threat of violence by the communist machine.

Speaking of entitlements, socialism and terrorism, the latest in the Al Franken fiasco. It looks like Franken is going to win one recount (out of how many?) and thus be declared the winner of Minn. No further recounts will be necessary or permitted. I can't really say what I think about the situation.

re: #134 Creeping Eruption

Eggnog or some alcoholic variant, lots of tylenol or variant, and yes, salt the hell out of it.

Will do. Going to walk around the house, so don't get stiff.
BBL

re: #107 Outrider

I seem to recall an AP study a few years back that stated the vast majority of Americans read only headlines and the first paragraph. This is what USA Today based their paper on. I'm goggling for it now.

Like the latest arsenic scare piece.

The headlines and first paragraphs talk about As pollution over 460 thousand times the legal limit, but waaaay down (17 paragraphs down) at the bottom, they note that all samples collected in backyards and urine samples collected from residents came back with no elevated levels for arsenic.

re: #118 jcm

I can recall things like that too.

A mantra of the left in the '60s was "question authority"

WTF happened.

I fight authority, authority always wins

/John Mellencamp

re: #42 Sharmuta

I think you might be misunderstanding- it was because of zombie and LGF that Prairie Fire was re-introduced on the ayers stage. hannity picked it up and ran it on fox- I highly doubt this FBI agent recalled this one tidbit of ayers information on his own. It's likely this agent did get this off Fox, but it would be because of Charles and zombie that it was noticed.

sharmuta -

AH, YES, -"STEAL THIS .pdf" - makes an interesting read.

-S-

As an ex-SDSer, I am particularly sensitive to this story. Bill Ayers is a despicable liar [as opposed to just an ordinary liar] because of the harm he either directly or indirectly caused. It is one thing to protest a war (Vietnam in this case), and quite another to use terror tactics.

His efforts made this country a little less free, and as an American I am ashamed that my president-elect is admitting friendship to this monster.

re: #111 Buck

This is because you are the only one who was willing to actually read the book cover to cover. Everyone else could even get through the rambling of the dedication.

Congrats.

A big GOOD JOB ZOMBIE....thanks.

Lets give the Washington Post equal time to prove they too are bastards just as much as the Times.

Today they advice Israel that rockets fired on them are not that bad and if Israel wants it maybe to stop then give Hamas everything they want.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

re: #123 Harry Tuttle

"I fear that we are raising generations of people who feel it is their right to get what they want from others and damn the consequences."

Have you noticed more and more that people aren't bothering to park their cars in parking spaces anymore and just choosing to say 'screw you all' and park right next to the front door of the store where it says 'Fire Zone - NO PARKING'.

Or they just trample security guards to death to get their hands on a $199 WII.

Or vote for guys like Obama.

Im jus sayin.

My wife was recently stuck at a gas station having forgotten her purse without a cell phone and an empty tank. She had to ask several people over a period of 15 minutes just to use a cell phone to call me. (She was not dirty or ragged looking - but a clean, neatly dressed suburban housewife). Finally a rough hewn young construction worker gave her his phone and waited for her until she could get through to me. He then waited until I arrived 20 minutes later to help her out. All I could think was "wow, all of these people around and only this one's mama raised him right."

I can't tell you how many people act surprised when I hand them some spare change or hold a door open. It is as though there are whole communities of people who are unaware that the universe doesn't revolve around them.

On the other hand - there are some remarkable people who would give the shirt off their back in a hailstorm to anyone who asked. Fortunately they are frequent enough to regularly restore my faith in humanity as a whole.

And you can pre-salt. Our town does it all the time. Spread the salt before a big snowfall.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies?

I think you deserve a bailout!

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

You poor thing!
You've got all my sympathy - try arnica ointment, if you have it - and some warmth.

As for salt - dunno about that, do you have ashes from an open fire? Much more efficient to provide some grip.
Take good care of yourself!

The same fishwrap that refused to print McCain's Op-ed?

re: #147 buzzsawmonkey

Sadly, you can't copyright short phrases.

Says who?©

re: #156 Iron Fist

Speaking of entitlements, socialism and terrorism, the latest in the Al Franken fiasco. It looks like Franken is going to win one recount (out of how many?) and thus be declared the winner of Minn. No further recounts will be necessary or permitted. I can't really say what I think about the situation.

If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat

re: #77 rawmuse

Part of the dinosaur media's problem is that they spend way too much money and ink trying to rewrite history, or rehabilitate the image(s) of bad guys.
Dan Rathers, Ayers, et al.

And ... "Robert Kennedy, possibly the most notable anti-Vietnam war leader of the late 60s".

If RK was so anti-war - he must have had zero influence as Atty General on his bro JFK who escalated the hell out of it.

BS - RK was just a political hack flip flopping with the latest wind al la Clinton and Zero.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

I could think of a therapy but we'd have to know each other much better.

re: #118 jcm

re: #118 jcm

I can recall things like that too.

A mantra of the left in the '60s was "question authority"

WTF happened.

Sensitization.....

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

cracked it even.

Cracked tailbone - no therapeutic consequences, in 'doctor speak'. Means, they won't do anything like putting you in a palster cast, just let nature take her course.

Which reminds me - comfrey ointment helps as well.

re: #161 Golem Akbar

As an ex-SDSer, I am particularly sensitive to this story. Bill Ayers is a despicable liar [as opposed to just an ordinary liar] because of the harm he either directly or indirectly caused. It is one thing to protest a war (Vietnam in this case), and quite another to use terror tactics.

His efforts made this country a little less free, and as an American I am ashamed that my president-elect is admitting friendship to this monster.

Your president-elect is admitting friendship? The only thing I saw him do is dis the guy saying he was just some guy in the neighborhood... The admitting of friendship was Ayers saying something about the Obamas being family friends in his book dedication. I didn't see the admission from Obama.

re: #86 solomonpanting

One can only hope Obama is vetted before his Administration is finished.
But I'm not holding my breath.

John Kerry still hasn't been vetted, and now he's going to be head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

re: #177 Promethea

John Kerry still hasn't been vetted, and now he's going to be head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Good point. Boy o boy, is the world gonna love the US of A again, or what?

re: #177 Promethea

John Kerry still hasn't been vetted, and now he's going to be head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

He should be vetted, he should be wormed, deloused and fixed.

re: #126 apb1

I don't think they start as scum - however, I think modern journalism is still drunk off the power exerted during Watergate; now, all the journalism bozos can dream of is toppling another (R) President. Frankly, I'd consider the NYSlimes a military target based on their treasonous exposure of the programs used to trap terrorists, including the bank-centric ones. It would be extremely cool to see F15 sorties taking out Pinch's Tower of Terror-enablers.

If not your solution, at least some legal activity against their traitorous actions, followed by actual jail time.

i despise bill ayers. i despise him for arrogantly stepping on the flag.
i despise that he was a bomb making american terrorist trying to destroy his own country that had afforded him so many rights and opportunities.
he is a spoiled and putrid bastard.
a worm, now trying to rewrite his loathsome self so he can be accept as a regular guy and use that acceptance to further his assault on america in more devious sophisticated ways.
he is a true enemy of our country. a committed terrorist.
i would love to see that sob get a dose of justice.

In tough times, it is common for troubled companies to cut jobs. The New York Times, in a bold experiment, is cutting readership instead.

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It all depends on how you set the knot.

Not death by hanging but hung by the neck until dead—& let him be able to touch the ground with his toes.

re: #180 Promethea

Dang straight on the legal recourse - but you'd have to agree a well-coordinated military strike would be pretty suh-weet...

re: #129 solomonpanting

Here's a Red Army Faction member from Germany who was just released after serving 26 years. His group murdered 34 people and injured hundreds and he, like Ayers, never expressed regret.

When I see these kinds of sentence, I know that justice was not done. How long can "civilization" exist when justice is not done? Tribal vendettas and gangland activities occur where there is no governmental authority to establish rules and enforce justice.

re: #177 Promethea

John Kerry still hasn't been vetted, and now he's going to be head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Promethea -

IMHO - Sen. Kerry replacing Sen. Biden will be a sight to see. The Comic replaced by the Malignant. Yhat is all.

-S-

re: #184 apb1

Dang straight on the legal recourse - but you'd have to agree a well-coordinated military strike would be pretty suh-weet...

Well sure, it would be fun to watch on You-Tube! ;-)

John Kerry is now an Old man in a Hurry. He will smash anything he can when he gets his hands on any levers.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

You can salt anytime, including during the storm.

You will be sore, and reminded about this for days, if not longer. Do not be afraid of pain killers like Advil, Tylenol or anything that seems to work for you.

can't wait till they NYT goes bankrupt....

The NYT refusal is not censorship--that would be the government (state, local or fed) making it illegal.

What it is the NYT making it very, very clear what they believe, what they stand for, and what they wish for us to think and believe.

Thank you, NYT, once again, for being so blatant.

re: #185 Promethea

It's Euro social justice.
Ptooie...

And now back to the shop.

re: #188 lifeofthemind

John Kerry is now an Old man in a Hurry. He will smash anything he can when he gets his hands on any levers.

i agree. he is bitter, he feels slighted. he has been pushed aside.
he will vent his anger on america.
he is as committed as ever.

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Just took a 'bummer' down my front steps. ICE. Going to have a massive bruise on the old bum and right hand. Heading to get the mail (across the street and down 6 houses, hate those frickin' cluster boxes) took one step on the stoop and down I went four steps. Sat there and cried like a baby.
Didn't break anything but sore bum for days I'm sure.
Any homemade remedies? And can you salt while ice is still coming down?

Sorry to hear that. Homemade remedies for a bruised and swollen pride? Bend over and ask a liberal to kiss it better for you.

As for salting while ice is still coming down? Yes, but remember your basic chemistry and equilibrium. As more ice comes down, the more salt you'll have to toss on it, and if temps continue to drop you'll still have the slush turn to ice. Salt it, let it slush, shovel the slush off, resalt.

re: #185 Promethea

When I see these kinds of sentence, I know that justice was not done. How long can "civilization" exist when justice is not done? Tribal vendettas and gangland activities occur where there is no governmental authority to establish rules and enforce justice.

One of the essential laws for all righteous people, that is, the seven Nohaide laws (those Noah obeyed), is to have a system of justice.

The N.Y. Times is protecting the murderous Ayers, who directed a cop-killer, Dohrn, and intended murder of our troops at Ft. Dix with a nail bomb. That's because Ayers is close to Obama, and doubtless will surface as an "education adviser" during the Obama Administration.

Of course, Ayers dedicated his "Prairie Fire" book to Sirhan Sirhan, who murdered Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg's uncle, Bobby Kennedy. Yet Caroline worships Obama and his buddies. I guess Uncle Bobby is dead and gone, but Obama is taking power. Caroline has her priorities right!

As for the N.Y. Times, may they be tossed on the ash bin of history by their former readers sooner rather than later.

re: #195 taxfreekiller

This you see, post and talk about, all via the RINO'S in the Republican Party, and yes that includes the soon to be unPresident Bush.

If they had just done the right thing, the RINO's and the rest, none of this would have happened, Pres. Regan left it easy for them, but they
had to reach across the isle and get bitch slapped, they just had to over spend, they just had to take huge amounts of lobby money.

Ya I blame the Democrats for being loon commie thugs, but, the ones who know best are the Republicans who live in D.C. with them, they knew better and thus are the more guilty. Democrats are just doing what the commie money class tell them to. The Republicans are cutting off their on nose's, stomping on their own feet, pissing in the wind and smiling as it blows back in their silly ass faces.

just needed to say that
tfk

/ Forest Gump..... Stupid is as stupid does....

re: #145 coloradobuff

From my perspective, I truly cannot figure out how people like Ayers live with themselves. If I had been involved in the things he has done, I probably would have offed myself years ago, instead of trying to promote some kind of "alternate reality" to boost my flagging reputation. Incredible.

It's kind of hard for a pathological sociopath like Ayers (this goes for Dohrn as well) to feel remorse, shame, and regret, so I seriously doubt thoughts of eating a bullet or even just sincerely apologizing to his group's victims and admitting the error of his ways have ever crossed his mind.

But I digress...

re: #195 taxfreekiller

This you see, post and talk about, all via the RINO'S in the Republican Party, and yes that includes the soon to be unPresident Bush.

If they had just done the right thing, the RINO's and the rest, none of this would have happened, Pres. Regan left it easy for them, but they
had to reach across the isle and get bitch slapped, they just had to over spend, they just had to take huge amounts of lobby money.

Ya I blame the Democrats for being loon commie thugs, but, the ones who know best are the Republicans who live in D.C. with them, they knew better and thus are the more guilty. Democrats are just doing what the commie money class tell them to. The Republicans are cutting off their on nose's, stomping on their own feet, pissing in the wind and smiling as it blows back in their silly ass faces.

just needed to say that
tfk

Even back then, Reagan was an anomaly. He knew what conservatism was about, but few others did. Both parties are leading us to ruin. The 'leaders' have forgotten where the money for the public purse come from.

Remember, it's not just Ayres, it's an entire generation of radical assholes who are protected by the media curtain.

I was one of 404 students that the Black Students Union of SF State tried to kill on Nov. 6, 1967.

Officially, it never happened, and the university honored the bastards two months ago at a week long celebration.

I hope they enjoy making mortgage payments on their enormous monolith in Manhattan in order to finance their lies.

NYT Quislings

re: #204 taxfreekiller

All lies.

re: #204 taxfreekiller

And the perversion of it all is that they will admit what they did, and the lie they attach to it is that what they did was the right thing, and good.

RFK and MLK died true in their beliefs regardless of their politics. I salute them.

Bill Ayers is a washed up coward.

Here's another voice that doesn't get heard enough.

I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.

Of course they did...it doesn't fit the narrative they're projecting and it undercuts the image of sincerity, honesty and integrity for the Annointed One--who is a southside Chicago politician, after all.

I still can't believe that my alma mater, the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, tried to bring in Bill Ayers to speak to their Teachers College and then were flummoxed when people were pissed about it. They later cancelled the speech over "safety concerns" for Bill Ayers. It disgusts me that this man is allowed to run loose and is given a pedestal from which to publish in inanity.

The New York what? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to something that still mattered in the world today or something believable. *whew* you had me scared there for a moment...

Out here in my neck of the woods, there are many people who feel intellectually superior because they religiously read The Times. Some people, feeling even more superior yet, won't read it ...because they believe it to be a...."conservative news outlet." ( I am not making this up!)

As for me, I laugh at their arrogance and wonder if there's a way I can make a buck off their outright stupidity.

The NYTimes new motto: "All the news that fits, we print."

In one of the one of the Superman movies, Louis Lane barked.

"You dint get great stories, you make stories great."

Thats not an exact quote, but close enough to make my point, the news media is a propaganda machine, they are not as interested in fact as they would like us to believe, They have a preconceived notion of the world and they present the news from their own myopic view.
Fair and balanced is not on the agenda.
Ayers is and was a terrorist, and the fact that he is unrepentant shows he is comfortable in his acts, his lies show that he understands that decent people would use him to test the tensile strength of rope.
The New York Slimes agrees with Ayers hate for America, and so are willing to be complicate.

complicit/ PIMF

their all scum and they all know it. deep down.

no one at the times who read the op-ed rebuttal by the informant believes ayers iether.

they are just carrying water for him and trying to help him rehabilitate his image, but they know everything he said is all lies

When Karma comes to bite Bill Ayers, I hope it's a media event of epic proportions.

re: #219 Wilderstad

When Karma comes to bite Bill Ayers, I hope it's a media event of epic proportions.

I hope its teeth are of epic proportions as well.

The New York Slimes- pinko commie rag.

Big suprise. The New York Times likes terrorists. It just a matter of time when Al-queda sends them there next bought from Iran nuke device. Why should American GI's constantly be insulted by these left wing nutjobs. You want to be such a bunch of smart asses, have at it. But don't come here to complain.

Didn't I post this link?

That is the NYT I don't wish to know.
It is surely the NYT Bill Ayers knows.
Is NYT stock headed-in-a-hurry towards penny stock status?
How long before the NYT begs the country they love to hate for a bailout?
But, then again, that's not unusual. Plenty of folks green-feeding at the Uncle Sam treasury trough hate the Uncle that feeds them and more than a few of the hungry, hungry hippos are killing US, literally.

...way too many peeps and creeps pine to play Che-for-a-Day!

re: #225 Ron Shaw

...way too many peeps and creeps pine to play Che-for-a-Day!

If only they were playing the last second of his last day....