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1 zombie  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:10:43pm

23, that's how many.

2 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:10:58pm

Angels we have heard on high...

3 zombie  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:11:00pm

Last I counted, at least.

4 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:11:16pm

re: #1 zombie

23, that's how many.

Nah, 42

5 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:11:19pm

42. Now what is the question?

6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:11:28pm

IT'S A FESTIVUS MIRACLE!

7 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:11:54pm
8 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:12:00pm

re: #5 Kosh's Shadow

42. Now what is the question?

Why are you even questioning it?

9 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:12:12pm

re: #2 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Angels we have heard on high...

Tell us to go out and buy!
--Tom Lehrer

Not looking forward to the trip home. I work near a major mall and another small one, and the roads around here back up really bad right now.

10 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:12:39pm

A couple of thread back, the discussion was started on the subject of Dan "I'd rather lie" Rather. I wonder if after testifying, he could be thrown in jail for P U R G E R Y?

11 EmmmieG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:13:05pm

It's not how many angels, it's how many lizards. A lot, but it would be a noisy pin.

12 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:13:18pm

re: #7 rawmuse

I Won't Dance

Your avatar. CHANGE!

13 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:13:22pm

Now I have seen everything: Buy new car, get used one for free

14 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:13:32pm

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

Tell us to go out and buy!
--Tom Lehrer

Not looking forward to the trip home. I work near a major mall and another small one, and the roads around here back up really bad right now.

Can we trade?...right now we have essentially no roads the snow and ice are so thick.

15 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:13:36pm
How many open threads can dance on the head of a pin?

I'm not sure, but I do know that the answer will contain 1s and 0s once converted to binary.

16 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:13:43pm

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

Had to give you a up ding! Is the good Doctor Lehrer still teaching Math?

17 zombie  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:14:18pm

I think I can safely say I am the only person on this thread currently eating a Nepalese lunch.

18 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:14:36pm

Dear Santa,

Bring me a shiny new bailout.

Timmy

19 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:14:50pm

How many pinheads what?

20 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:15:02pm

re: #17 zombie

I think I can safely say I am the only person on this thread currently eating a Nepalese lunch.

Does fried yak count?

21 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:15:11pm

re: #17 zombie

I think I can safely say I am the only person on this thread currently eating a Nepalese lunch.

Made with real Nepalese?

22 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:15:18pm

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Your avatar. CHANGE!

Yeah, I may change back.

23 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:15:28pm

re: #17 zombie

I think I can safely say I am the only person on this thread currently eating a Nepalese lunch.

Probably; my knowledge of Nepalese cuisine is minor.

It doesn't involve tea and yak butter, does it?

24 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:15:31pm

re: #14 FurryOldGuyJeans

Can we trade?...right now we have essentially no roads the snow and ice are so thick.

Had the snow and ice last week; actually, the side roads are still bad around here.
Yesterday, I left at 6:45 and it took 45 minutes to get to the highway; I can usually get home in 50.

25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:15:41pm
26 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:16:32pm

Question...

How people in BHO administration picked so far have worked in the private sector?

27 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:16:54pm

re: #10 Conservative in Liberal Hands

A couple of thread back, the discussion was started on the subject of Dan "I'd rather lie" Rather. I wonder if after testifying, he could be thrown in jail for P U R G E R Y?

What does molasses making have to do with Dan Rather's lies in a court of law?

Purgery vs. Perjury. I was surprised to find out that purgery was an actual word. ;)

28 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:17:07pm
29 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:17:09pm

re: #3 zombie

Last I counted, at least.

you missed the short one hiding behind them two large ones with all the spin-offs. ;-)>

30 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:17:36pm

Posted earlier, I thought this was hysterical.

The Dysfunctional Family Letter Generator.

31 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:17:59pm

re: #26 jcm

Question...

How people in BHO administration picked so far have worked in the private sector?

None, but they hope to change the world just the same...

32 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:17:59pm

The answer to everything. 42.

33 zombie  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:18:09pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Does fried yak count?

re: #23 Dianna

Probably; my knowledge of Nepalese cuisine is minor.

It doesn't involve tea and yak butter, does it?

No, I'm having Alu Tama. Bamboo-shoot and potato curry.

Pretty good, actually!

34 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:18:23pm

re: #16 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Had to give you a up ding! Is the good Doctor Lehrer still teaching Math?

I'm not sure. If he's writing papers, is he still taking Lobachevsky's advice?

Another line from his Christmas carol:
G-d rest ye merry merchants,
May you make the Yuletide pay.

[so we don't have to bail you out, too]

35 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:18:24pm

Of course it makes a noise. It's a freaking tree!

36 Jonas Parker  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:18:44pm

How many pinheads can dance on an open thread?

37 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:19:05pm

re: #36 Jonas Parker

How many pinheads can dance on an open thread?

You would have to go ask over at KOS or Huffpo

38 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:19:21pm

We wish you a Merry Fitzmas
We wish you a Merry Fitzmas
We wish you a Merry Fitzmas
And a Happy Indictment!

Jail time we bring
To Rod and his kin
Jail time for Fitztmas
And a Happy Indictment!

39 winston06  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:19:33pm

good afternoon every one

40 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:19:45pm

re: #24 Kosh's Shadow

Had the snow and ice last week; actually, the side roads are still bad around here.
Yesterday, I left at 6:45 and it took 45 minutes to get to the highway; I can usually get home in 50.

At least you can get around. 5 straight days in the house here with 4 to 6 more inches starting tonight. I would trade you in a heartbeat; or just out and out mug ya without the trade. ;)

41 winston06  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:19:50pm

re: #36 Jonas Parker

not so many

42 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:20:01pm

re: #26 jcm

Question...

How people in BHO administration picked so far have worked in the private sector?

What ez deez wurd "work" you speek uf?

43 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:20:10pm

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

What does molasses making have to do with Dan Rather's lies in a court of law?

Purgery vs. Perjury. I was surprised to find out that purgery was an actual word. ;)

Some days a Guy can't make a pun...

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:20:41pm

re: #26 jcm

Question...

How people in BHO administration picked so far have worked in the private sector?

The private sector is only allowed to keep the government solvent.

45 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:21:14pm

re: #40 FurryOldGuyJeans

At least you can get around. 5 straight days in the house here with 4 to 6 more inches starting tonight. I would trade you in a heartbeat; or just out and out mug ya without the trade. ;)

Where are you?

46 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:21:43pm

re: #38 Honorary Yooper

We wish you a Merry Fitzmas
We wish you a Merry Fitzmas
We wish you a Merry Fitzmas
And a Happy Indictment!

Jail time we bring
To Rod and his kin
Jail time for Fitztmas
And a Happy Indictment!

Good grief, everybody thinks they are buzzmonkey now... ;p

47 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:22:46pm
48 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:23:12pm

re: #13 Creeping Eruption

Now I have seen everything: Buy new car, get used one for free

Maybe they'll start giving away free toasters with the purchase of an oil change. How about Green Stamps?

49 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:23:57pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

If Obama ends up being an incompetent in office, can we start calling him BHO Diddley?

Or just call BO...stinky.

50 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:23:58pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

If Obama ends up being an incompetent in office, can we start calling him BHO Diddley?

Considering what he wants to accomplish, I hope™ he is incompetent.

51 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:24:19pm

FDR had the Great Society.
LBJ had the New Deal.
BHO has the Psst, Buddy, do I have a deal for you!

52 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:24:22pm

re: #40 FurryOldGuyJeans

At least you can get around. 5 straight days in the house here with 4 to 6 more inches starting tonight. I would trade you in a heartbeat; or just out and out mug ya without the trade. ;)

OK. That's worse than what we had; an ice storm followed by either two 10-12" snowstorms or one 20-24" one. At least I got it cleared, despite a broken shear pin on the snowblower.
Now, all the trees that came down in the ice storm are buried in snow, and the small dogs can't find enough space to go.

Where are you?

53 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:24:43pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

Where are you?

South of Seattle, south of Tacoma, Lakewood WA, at the top of a suburban hilly area with only two steep roads out to a more trafficked area. The snow on the cul-de-sac is still 4+ inches thick. Even chains and/or studded tires are an iffy bet.

54 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:24:57pm

re: #48 Golem Akbar

Maybe they'll start giving away free toasters with the purchase of an oil change. How about Green Stamps?

Interesting - I had never heard of those.

55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:25:04pm

re: #51 jcm

FDR had the Great Society.
LBJ had the New Deal.
BHO has the Psst, Buddy, do I have a deal for you!

Switch the first 2

56 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:25:19pm

re: #46 doriangrey

Good grief, everybody thinks they are buzzmonkey now... ;p

Another Spartacus moment? I remember the "I am Mandy" epic.

57 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:25:32pm

re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans

South of Seattle, south of Tacoma, Lakewood WA, at the top of a suburban hilly area with only two steep roads out to a more trafficked area. The snow on the cul-de-sac is still 4+ inches thick. Even chains and/or studded tires are an iffy bet.

Do you usually get much snow there?

58 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:26:02pm

re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans

South of Seattle, south of Tacoma, Lakewood WA, at the top of a suburban hilly area with only two steep roads out to a more trafficked area. The snow on the cul-de-sac is still 4+ inches thick. Even chains and/or studded tires are an iffy bet.

Isn't the local city or country plowing the roads?

59 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:26:02pm

re: #51 jcm

FDR had the Great Society.
LBJ had the New Deal.
BHO has the Psst, Buddy, do I have a deal for you!

PIMF

FDR had the New Deal.
LBJ had the Great Society.
BHO has the Psst, Buddy, do I have a deal for you!

*sigh* back to remedial history class*

60 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:26:03pm
61 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:26:18pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

If Obama ends up being an incompetent in office, can we start calling him BHO Diddley?

Only if you are willing to risk the wrath of genuine Blue's fan world wide... Bo Diddley

62 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:26:32pm

re: #46 doriangrey

Good grief, everybody thinks they are buzzmonkey now... ;p

I've been accused of that, but I can assure you, I am not.

63 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:26:58pm

re: #17 zombie

I think I can safely say I am the only person on this thread currently eating a Nepalese lunch.

Snow cones?

64 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:27:27pm

re: #48 Golem Akbar

Maybe they'll start giving away free toasters with the purchase of an oil change. How about Green Stamps?

No. He'll start distributing counterfeit Karma Green Stampstm. Karma Green Stampstm are given whenever you do a "good deed". They are counterbalanced by "Oh Shit"s.

/what comes of a college education lost in the '80's...

65 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:28:01pm

re: #57 Kosh's Shadow

Do you usually get much snow there?

Not even close. This is a real once in a century thing happening here.

Western Washington so rarely gets snow, except for the foothills of the mountain ranges, that if someone even thinks they have seen a flake let along have it stick all drivers instantly freak.

66 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:28:16pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Isn't the local city or country plowing the roads?

Commie

67 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:29:02pm

Merry Christmas, Lizards!

This is my favourite Christmas Card - thought you'd all deserve to have it as well!

68 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:29:15pm

I want to take this beepin opportunity to wish Blago & Potty Mouth Patti a beepin great Christmas!

69 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:29:33pm

re: #48 Golem Akbar

Maybe they'll start giving away free toasters with the purchase of an oil change. How about Green Stamps?

Our Messiah-King will introduce the new AlGore Green Stamps, Carbon Credits. You will buy them, or else.

70 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:29:35pm

re: #64 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Aren't carbon credits the karma green stamps? Plant a tree, no, scratch that. Pay someone else to plant a tree and then you can fly to Sweden without guilt.

71 doppelganglander  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:29:42pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

IT'S A FESTIVUS MIRACLE!

It's always Festivus among the moonbats, because every day is the Airing of Grievances.

72 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:31:27pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Isn't the local city or country plowing the roads?

HA! I wish. Only the main roads here get any attention. All I keep hearing is the whines and moans of local government saying why they can't do jack about the snow because of cutbacks, even with increased tax revenues despite the worsening economy here.

73 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:31:41pm

re: #46 doriangrey

Good grief, everybody thinks they are buzzmonkey now... ;p

The LGF frustrated artist cooperative.

74 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:32:22pm

re: #67 yma o hyd

Merry Christmas, Lizards!

This is my favourite Christmas Card - thought you'd all deserve to have it as well!

That has got to be the coolest Christmas card on-line I've ever seen

75 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:32:22pm

re: #73 DaddyG

The LGF frustrated artist cooperative.

Of which I should be President... ;p

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:32:54pm

re: #46 doriangrey

Good grief, everybody thinks they are buzzmonkey now... ;p

I know I don't have the talent. I am just an impatient curmudgeony old furry dude. ;)

77 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:33:48pm

re: #75 doriangrey

Of which I should be President... ;p

You might be more qualified than the current POTUS Elect. ;)

78 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:34:37pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know I don't have the talent. I am just an impatient curmudgeony old furry dude. ;)

Mah... Talent smalent... I gots enough talent for everyone here, sept for the Lizard King of course, who gots talent for whomever I miss plus everyone I can cover... ;p

79 MJ  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:34:44pm

Bush pardons man who helped Israel during wartime


WASHINGTON – In a gesture of forgiveness for an American considered a hero in Israel, President George W. Bush on Tuesday granted a pardon posthumously to a man who broke the law to supply aircraft to Jews fighting in Israel's 1948 war of independence.
Charles Winters was listed in a batch of 19 pardons and one commutation that Bush issued before leaving for Camp David to spend the holidays. No high-profile lawbreakers were on the list.
In the summer of 1948, Winters, a non-Jewish Miami businessman who exported produce, worked with others to transfer two converted B-17 "Flying Fortresses" to Israel's defense forces. He personally flew one of the aircraft from Miami to Czechoslovakia, where that plane and a third B-17 were retrofitted for use as bombers.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

80 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:34:47pm

Merry Christmas to those of you who celebrate it.
Happy Hanukkah to those of you who celebrate it, too!
Happy Holidays to everyone else and everyone too!

My prayer for everyone and your families for a Safe, Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year!

81 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:35:16pm

re: #77 FurryOldGuyJeans

You might be more qualified than the current POTUS Elect. ;)

ROTFLMAO... I certainly cant be less qualified... ;p

82 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:35:41pm

re: #77 FurryOldGuyJeans

You might be more qualified than the current POTUS Elect. ;)

Along with the first 100 posters in an LGF thread

/I miss W.F.Buckley

83 Bloodnok  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:35:51pm

re: #67 yma o hyd

Merry Christmas, Lizards!

This is my favourite Christmas Card - thought you'd all deserve to have it as well!

That was so cool. And I love the name Chudleigh for a dog! Thanks!

84 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:36:18pm

re: #72 FurryOldGuyJeans

HA! I wish. Only the main roads here get any attention. All I keep hearing is the whines and moans of local government saying why they can't do jack about the snow because of cutbacks, even with increased tax revenues despite the worsening economy here.

That sound like a dereliction of public duties to provide safety and comfort. Do that have any contingency plans to get senior citizens out of their homes if necessary? Do they have a way to deliver food or water in case the it warrants it?

Is your town or county doing anything that would indicate that they have anything under control?

I bet I know the answer to that.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:36:23pm

re: #81 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... I certainly cant be less qualified... ;p

I know that this boil on my butt might be as qualified. ;)

86 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:36:51pm

I mentioned this yesterday, but it still bugs me.
Obama worked out at the Marine gym on Oahu Sunday.
When he left he spotted two Marines standing near by & snaped them a salute. They of course felt compelled to salute him.
My problem is, he does not rate a salute & will not until he is sworn in.

87 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:36:54pm

re: #78 doriangrey

Mah... Talent smalent... I gots enough talent for everyone here, sept for the Lizard King of course, who gots talent for whomever I miss plus everyone I can cover... ;p


Nice suckup! You must have corporate middle management experience.

/evil grin

88 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:37:15pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

That sound like a dereliction of public duties to provide safety and comfort. Do that have any contingency plans to get senior citizens out of their homes if necessary? Do they have a way to deliver food or water in case the it warrants it?

Is your town or county doing anything that would indicate that they have anything under control?

I bet I know the answer to that.

Do I really need to answer? ;)

89 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:37:47pm

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Ev'rywhere you go
Take a look in the federal pen,
Glistening once again
With police canes and silver lanes aglow

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Writs in ev'ry box
But the prettiest sight to see
is the warrant that will be
On Blago's own front door

A gubanatorial seat and a choice of Sens
Is the wish of Lisa and Quinn
Dolls that won't talk and will go for a walk
Is the hope of Daley and Jan
And Jack and Mike can hardly wait for sessions to start again

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Ev'rywhere you go
There's a wire in the Lincoln Hotel,
One in the office as well
The sturdy kind that doesn't mind the bull

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Soon the bells will start
And the thing that will make them ring
Is the carol that you sing
Right within your heart

90 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:37:48pm

re: #85 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know that this boil on my butt might be as qualified. ;)

Left or Right cheek?

91 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:38:16pm

re: #90 DaddyG

Left or Right cheek?

Yes. ;)

92 Buck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:38:17pm

re: #17 zombie

I think I can safely say I am the only person on this thread currently eating a Nepalese lunch.

Mmmm Momo...

93 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:38:30pm

re: #87 DaddyG

Nice suckup! You must have corporate middle management experience.

/evil grin

Well, I haven't quite risen to the highest level of my incompetence yet... I am still a mere lowly production supervisor... ;p

94 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:39:42pm

re: #18 Oh no...Sand People!

Dear Santa,

Bring me a shiny new bailout.

Timmy

And on Christmas Morning, Timmy found himself being tossed out a C-130 with a parachute hooked to a static line...:)

95 Dianna  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:40:17pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

If Obama ends up being an incompetent in office, can we start calling him BHO Diddley?

No, because Bo could play guitar.

96 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:40:20pm

I just dumped a bunch of science links up top for those who are interested.

97 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:40:33pm

re: #85 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know that this boil on my butt might be as qualified. ;)

**SPEW***

/did you have to do that? lol!

98 JacksonTn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:41:28pm

Okay...Obama released documents on Blagocrapolafest ...nothing to see here ... move along ...there are pictures of me without a shirt on to look at ...

/okay ...now show us your blackberry records ...

99 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:41:29pm

re: #97 rightymouse

**SPEW***

/did you have to do that? lol!

Yes, I did. ;)

100 Gearhead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:41:49pm

Overheard on a recently-intercepted satellite phone call from Ayman al Zawahiri:

"...Oh what fun to laugh and sing a slaying song tonight!
Oh, Jihad bombs,
Jihad bombs,
Jihad all the way.
Oh what fun it is to kill infidels each day!"

A recording of the call ends abruptly, just as al Zawahiri said, "Hey, I think I hear an airpl..."

101 Mardukhai  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:42:08pm

The proper question is, "How many pins can dance on the head of an angel?"

102 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:42:18pm

re: #85 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know that this boil on my butt might be as qualified. ;)

I would have to disagree. I'm pretty sure the boil on your ass is more qualified... ;p

103 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:42:38pm

re: #101 Mardukhai

The proper question is, "How many pins can dance on the head of an angel?"

How many pinheads end up being in Congress?

104 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:42:38pm

re: #98 JacksonTn

Okay...Obama released documents on Blagocrapolafest ...nothing to see here ... move along ...there are pictures of me without a shirt on to look at ...

/okay ...now show us your blackberry records ...

Obama's doing damage control. Unfortunately for him, the damage is out of his control.

105 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:42:45pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And now;

Santa Claus conquers the Martians with the special bonus of "A Patrick Swayze Christmas"

My favorite episode.

"He was the McGyver of his day..."

106 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:42:46pm

re: #91 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yes. ;)

If the boil on the butt is neither on the left or right it would be in between.

In between would make it a hemorrhoid.

Thus we must conclude that all moderates are a pain in the...

107 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:42:47pm

re: #100 Gearhead

Overheard on a recently-intercepted satellite phone call from Ayman al Zawahiri:

"...Oh what fun to laugh and sing a slaying song tonight!
Oh, Jihad bombs,
Jihad bombs,
Jihad all the way.
Oh what fun it is to kill infidels each day!"

A recording of the call ends abruptly, just as al Zawahiri said, "Hey, I think I hear an airpl..."

Oh no not the lads at check point B again...:)

108 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:42:58pm

re: #48 Golem Akbar

Maybe they'll start giving away free toasters with the purchase of an oil change. How about Green Stamps?

WOW. Wayback machine time, Sherman.
My mom would set a goal, and only trade at stores that issued them.

109 UFO TOFU  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:43:04pm

Has anyone read this book? It looks pretty funny.

110 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:43:07pm

Bad news in my opinion that the Feds want to slow down Blanko's impeachment.

Feds.

111 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:43:14pm

re: #103 FurryOldGuyJeans

How many pinheads end up being in Congress?

535 as of right now.

112 badbear  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:43:46pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know I don't have the talent. I am just an impatient curmudgeony old furry dude. ;)

I'm learning curmudgeonry at the feet of masters here on LGF.

113 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:43:46pm

H*llo.

114 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:44:16pm

re: #99 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yes, I did. ;)

Totally cracked me up. :)

115 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:44:36pm

re: #110 avanti

Bad news in my opinion that the Feds want to slow down Blanko's impeachment.

Feds.

Fitz is after even bigger game than Blago, if you can believe that. He's after Jimmy DeLeo (D-How You Doin') and Richard M. Daley (D-Godfather).

116 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:44:38pm

re: #110 avanti

Bad news in my opinion that the Feds want to slow down Blanko's impeachment.

Feds.

Why bad news?

117 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:44:54pm

re: #113 Ben Hur

Gr**tings!

118 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:45:16pm

re: #102 doriangrey

Speaking of Vett-ing... I heard GM was going to sell off their collection of 1st-off-the-line - to - well - balance the books so to speak. Have you heard about it? I'm wondering what the '53 will go for. How many miles? 2, maybe?

119 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:45:21pm

re: #106 DaddyG

You asked if it was on the left or the right cheek, and I answered in the affirmative that it indeed is on one or the other. ;)

120 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:45:39pm

re: #113 Ben Hur

H*llo.

I'll bite.

What's wrong with an "e"?

122 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:45:47pm

re: #112 badbear

I'm learning curmudgeonry at the feet of masters here on LGF.

That makes you a:
Curmudgeonly
Lizardoid
In
Training

/oh wait...

123 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:46:00pm

re: #112 badbear

I'm learning curmudgeonry at the feet of masters here on LGF.

Shortage of curmudgeonry masters here you shall not find young padawan... ;p

124 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:46:03pm

re: #113 Ben Hur

H*llo.

You did that a few nights ago.
Slow learner?
GET THE ROPE, Lizards!

125 EmmmieG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:46:13pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Where?

126 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:46:17pm

re: #110 avanti

Bad news in my opinion that the Feds want to slow down Blanko's impeachment.

Feds.


I had a thought about this and have no clue if it's accurate or not - but wouldn't the feds prefer federal charges on Blago vs. state ones? It's Illinois too. And the state guys could impede what the Feds are trying to do?

127 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:46:19pm

re: #86 opnion


My problem is, he does not rate a salute & will not until he is sworn in.

A salute is a courteous greeting, the equivalent of tipping your hat. The rule is that you return a salute at any time to avoid embarrassment even if the strict regulations would not have you salute. For example, the Navy only salutes in uniform and never salutes uncovered but the Army does salute when a junior meets a senior regardless of uniform or cover so the rule is that when you meet an Army officer who would expect a salute you salute and smile. Also Obama while not in any official capacity at the moment is a former Senator. You salute the office, not the man.

128 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:46:56pm

re: #86 opnion

I mentioned this yesterday, but it still bugs me.
Obama worked out at the Marine gym on Oahu Sunday.
When he left he spotted two Marines standing near by & snaped them a salute. They of course felt compelled to salute him.
My problem is, he does not rate a salute & will not until he is sworn in.

and it is not up to him to initiate the salute as Commander in Chief at that time even. The subordinate initiates the salute-the senior returns it. He needs a little more study time.

On the other hand, it took Clinton awhile before he would even do that much. He pretty much treated the support solders with disdain... his wife was worse.

129 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:46:58pm

re: #108 jwb7605

WOW. Wayback machine time, Sherman.
My mom would set a goal, and only trade at stores that issued them.

Mine, too.

130 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:47:18pm

re: #122 DaddyG

That makes you a:
Curmudgeonly
Lizardoid
In
Training

/oh wait...

Oh you are sooo going to get "Whacked" when Mandy see that... ;p

131 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:47:35pm

re: #119 FurryOldGuyJeans

You asked if it was on the left or the right cheek, and I answered in the affirmative that it indeed is on one or the other. ;)

People's minds are like cat toys to you aren't they?! :-p

132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:47:46pm

re: #122 DaddyG

That makes you a:
Curmudgeonly
Lizardoid
In
Training

/oh wait...

Lizard
Awaiting
Basic
Instructional
Advice

/DOH!

133 Gearhead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:48:19pm

re: #122 DaddyG

T-shirts might be problematic.re: #113 Ben Hur

H*llo.

This is your keyboard on Vista Service Pack 1

134 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:48:21pm

re: #94 Dustyvet

And on Christmas Morning, Timmy found himself being tossed out a C-130 with a parachute hooked to a static line...:)

What a hell of a great Christmas present! Airborne! ;-)>

135 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:48:35pm

re: #115 Honorary Yooper

Fitz is after even bigger game than Blago, if you can believe that. He's after Jimmy DeLeo (D-How You Doin') and Richard M. Daley (D-Godfather).


Yup, Daley is the prize. The pressure on Obama to get Fitzgerald out of Chicago has to be immense.
He said during the campaign that he would not replace him.
If he does expect the MSM to say something like, "This does look bad, but you know Obama is clean.'

136 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:48:39pm

re: #128 Outrider

and it is not up to him to initiate the salute as Commander in Chief at that time even. The subordinate initiates the salute-the senior returns it. He needs a little more study time.

On the other hand, it took Clinton awhile before he would even do that much. He pretty much treated the support solders with disdain... his wife was worse.

You mean our future sec of state? Spit!

137 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:48:42pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

In the spinoff links at the top of this thread.

138 gregg  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:48:45pm

re: #13 Creeping Eruption

Now I have seen everything: Buy new car, get used one for free

I'm waiting for: Buy a used car, get a new one for free.

139 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:48:58pm

re: #130 doriangrey

Oh you are sooo going to get "Whacked" when Mandy see that... ;p

Big time, and she's off for Christmas, so you still have time to hide...:)

140 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:49:08pm

re: #108 jwb7605

WOW. Wayback machine time, Sherman.
My mom would set a goal, and only trade at stores that issued them.

I personally remember green stamps and other such incentives stores used to use. I even remember banks offering things for opening accounts. Movie give-aways were a bit before my time, though.

/ man, I suddenly feel old.

141 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:49:10pm

re: #121 Ben Hur

Report: Hedge Fund Founder Who Lost $1.4B in Madoff Scandal Dead in Apparent Suicide

It begins.

I'm sorry for him ... unless he'd been paying himself millions per year for his wisdom, in which case he could still have tried to make amends instead of offing himself.

142 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:49:19pm

re: #138 gregg

I'm waiting for: Buy a used car, get a new one for free.

Buy GM and get Chrysler for free...

143 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:49:28pm
144 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:49:46pm

It took Obama how many days to release that not suprisingly, his office had many conversations with Blago.

An internal review from Barack Obama's transition team released Tuesday shows that the president-elect's chief of staff had a number of conversations with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his top aide
145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:50:12pm

re: #131 DaddyG

People's minds are like cat toys to you aren't they?! :-p

I just apply logic to what people say, and speak accordingly. ;)

146 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:50:18pm

re: #139 Dustyvet

Big time, and she's off for Christmas, so you still have time to hide...:)

I bet if we could get a good video of that whacking we could make a fortune off it... ;)

147 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:50:28pm

re: #126 rightymouse

I had a thought about this and have no clue if it's accurate or not - but wouldn't the feds prefer federal charges on Blago vs. state ones? It's Illinois too. And the state guys could impede what the Feds are trying to do?

Turning over evidence and revealing all players would provide a nice platform upon which to conceal and redirect attention.

I still think they should have let Blago do the deals, get people appointed and elected, then bring out the charges.

Many more kingdoms would have fallen.

148 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:50:34pm

re: #133 Gearhead

T-shirts might be problematic.

Not nearly as problematic as shorts...

/digging deeper by the post

149 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:51:01pm

re: #146 doriangrey

I bet if we could get a good video of that whacking we could make a fortune off it... ;)

Yeah...:)

150 cagney  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:52:00pm

Justice, UK socialist style:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

"Four in 10 crimes go uninvestigated
Almost four in 10 crimes are not being investigated because police officers believe they cannot be solved.

The offences include sex attacks, violent robberies, harassment, burglary and drug incidents.

The Metropolitan Police, the country's largest police force, decided that more than half of crimes did not warrant full investigation as there was little chance of the culprit being caught, according to The Daily Mail.

The Met said that in the 2007/8 financial year it "screened out" a total of 437,888 offences. These included 26,709 violent offences, 338 sex attacks, 5,562 robberies and more than 60,000 burglaries.

For burglary, the Met only investigates one in three cases reported to them. In Bedfordshire, which last year screened out 42 per cent of crimes, one in three burglaries do not get a full investigation, while in Norfolk, 113 sex attacks were among the 42 per cent of crime screened out.

Although the percentage of screened out crime falls for more serious offences the force still excluded 290 offences of violence, 12 sex attacks, 32 robberies and 16 drugs offences.

It was found that across the country, of the 16 forces who replied to a Freedom of Information request, 39 per cent of crimes were screened out - an equivalent of 1.9 million out of the five million crimes reported.

A spokesman for Victim Support said: "Even if this process is justified by lack of evidence, the figures are likely to undermine confidence in the police among victims.

"If victims feel that their experience of crime is being dismissed by the very agencies that are meant to deal with the situation, that risks adding insult to injury."

The Tories have blamed the Government's "target culture", arguing that police forces now target resources almost exclusively on cases with the best chance of success.

Many of the most common offences are routinely filed "not for action" by telephone operators at the first possible stage, after the first initial call reporting the crime.

On average, only 27 per cent of crimes are solved.

By recording it as a crime, the officer is acknowledging the law has been broken.

The main reasons the investigation is dropped are if there are no obvious leads, such as the name of the suspected offender.

Shadow home secretary Dominic Grieve told The Daily Mail: "This is a consequence of Labour's target culture which has resulted in our police being forced to chase Whitehall diktats instead of criminals.

"Conservatives would replace police authorities with elected police commissioners so that the priorities of the police reflect the priorities of the people they serve.'

Serious crimes such as murder or rape are always investigated, as are crimes where there is a named suspect or obvious forensic evidence.

A Home Office spokesman said the Government had reduced centrally-set targets and planned to cut red tape to free up officers.

Norfolk police's deputy chief constable Ian Learmonth said: "We are making best use of our resources by investigating only those crimes which have some hope or opportunity of being solved."

A spokesman for Bedfordshire Police said: "Before any crime is 'screened out' it will have been through a rigorous evaluation procedure."

The disclosure comes a month after Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, said she supports a policy that every crime victim should be seen by a police officer no matter how minor the offence.

She spoke after two chief constables, Roger Baker of Essex and Matt Baggott of Leicestershire, said that an officer should be sent to every crime.

In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, Ms Smith admitted there is a gap between the results police are delivering and the impact the public believe it is having.

151 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:52:06pm

re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans

I personally remember green stamps and other such incentives stores used to use. I even remember banks offering things for opening accounts. Movie give-aways were a bit before my time, though.

/ man, I suddenly feel old.

Now we have rewards cards where they can track what you buy.

152 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:52:19pm

re: #136 Nevergiveup

You mean our future sec of state? Spit!

The one who wants to have more influence on domestic affairs as well, yeah.

153 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:52:23pm

re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans

I personally remember green stamps and other such incentives stores used to use. I even remember banks offering things for opening accounts. Movie give-aways were a bit before my time, though.

/ man, I suddenly feel old.

I have glasses we got at Mobile gas stations

154 cagney  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:52:28pm

cont..

"Miss Smith said "They want visible policing, they want people, if they have been involved in crime that they want the police to actually come and talk to them about it, to take action, to tell them what action they have taken, to communicate that not just to them as an individual but to the community as a whole."

Since she made the comments, five more police forces have pledged to visit every victim of crime. Officers from Merseyside, Thames Valley, North Wales, Staffordshire and Dyfed-Powys have all told The Daily Telegraph they will visit every victim who requests it."

As can be seen, crime is steadily falling in the UK.

155 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:52:29pm

So I missed this. Obama saluted at a Marine Base? Did he snap it off smartly? And I here he initiated the salute? I got a couple books on being an Officer he could read? Was this on film? I need a good laugh.

156 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:52:40pm

re: #127 lifeofthemind

A salute is a courteous greeting, the equivalent of tipping your hat. The rule is that you return a salute at any time to avoid embarrassment even if the strict regulations would not have you salute. For example, the Navy only salutes in uniform and never salutes uncovered but the Army does salute when a junior meets a senior regardless of uniform or cover so the rule is that when you meet an Army officer who would expect a salute you salute and smile. Also Obama while not in any official capacity at the moment is a former Senator. You salute the office, not the man.


Let me guess, Obama was not saluting anybody when he was a senator.
I have never seen a senator give & recieve a salute. Obama is doing this in his capacity of President Elect & does not rate a salute.
As a side issue Marines are always covered when they salute

157 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:53:26pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

The one who wants to have more influence on domestic affairs as well, yeah.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Obama must have been high on something wanting her at State?

158 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:53:42pm

re: #155 Nevergiveup

So I missed this. Obama saluted at a Marine Base? Did he snap it off smartly? And I here he initiated the salute? I got a couple books on being an Officer he could read? Was this on film? I need a good laugh.

There is a video of him saluting his genitals.

159 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:53:51pm

re: #155 Nevergiveup

So I missed this. Obama saluted at a Marine Base? Did he snap it off smartly? And I here he initiated the salute? I got a couple books on being an Officer he could read? Was this on film? I need a good laugh.

He'll probably have the same "Col. Klink" half-assed wave-salute that Clinton had...if he even salutes at all

160 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:53:56pm

re: #141 itellu3times

I'm sorry for him ... unless he'd been paying himself millions per year for his wisdom, in which case he could still have tried to make amends instead of offing himself.

Barring cases of imminent painful death or untreatable debilitating disease, I can't understand suicides.

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:54:21pm

re: #151 Kosh's Shadow

Now we have rewards cards where they can track what you buy.

The reason I refuse to personally EVER get any of the fool things. I have all of my mother's discount cards since I do all the shopping for her anyway.

162 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:54:23pm

re: #146 doriangrey

I bet if we could get a good video of that whacking we could make a fortune off it... ;)

I'm sure MommyG would supply the stick.

163 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:54:38pm

re: #128 Outrider

and it is not up to him to initiate the salute as Commander in Chief at that time even. The subordinate initiates the salute-the senior returns it. He needs a little more study time.

On the other hand, it took Clinton awhile before he would even do that much. He pretty much treated the support solders with disdain... his wife was worse.


You got it. My issue is that I think that this is hubris on the part of Obama ,who really does not seem to respect the military that much

164 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:54:45pm

re: #158 debutaunt

There is a video of him saluting his genitals.

You mean he is waving at his wife's refrigerator?

165 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:55:54pm

re: #163 opnion

You got it. My issue is that I think that this is hubris on the part of Obama ,who really does not seem to respect the military that much at all

166 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:55:58pm

re: #153 lifeofthemind

I have glasses we got at Mobile gas stations

I got a plastic Noah's Ark set from the local Arco station. That was back in the 60's.

167 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:56:17pm

re: #134 Outrider

What a hell of a great Christmas present! Airborne! ;-)>


For all you Trooper who haven't seen this, enjoy (not sure who wrote it, but it's good)

‘Twas the jump before Christmas and all through the plane, the Jumpmaster is crazy, the Safety’s insane.

The static lines hung on the cables with care, in hopes that a green light soon would be appear.

At the one minute warning not a word would be said, while malfunctions and entanglements danced through their heads.

With the door bundles rigged, I hooked up my pack, Let’s pull this jump off without a racetrack!

When out on the wing there rose such a clatter, I opened the door to see what was the matter.

And what to my night-visioned eyes did appear, but a single towed jumper all bundled in fear.

I leaned out the door and grabbed hold of my knife, I slashed through his static line saving his life.

He fell through the night ‘Till I saw him no more, I came back inside and yelled, “Stand in the door.”

Some jumpers were happy and some full of fright, but the green light came on and they all jumped that night.

The bundle, the jumpers, all exited the door, one thousand, two thousand, three thousand, four!

As I jumped in the blast with my knees in the breeze, I prayed to St. Michael as I slipped from the trees!

Dark skies full of chutes and strong winds did they blow, I heard a faint Laughter, From the DZSO.

I lowered my ruck and prepared to land, the slip that I have is now hand over hand.

I land with a crash the PLF is now moot, take a leak, find my gear, then roll up my chute

I looked for the stiner, it’s a mile away. I put on my kit and start heading that way.
The assembly point strobe light so bright, I knew all the troopers, would find it that night.

No matter where or when, be it Desert or Snow, The Airborne Trooper is ready to go.

Then I noticed the trooper holding that light, he had just been towed and wishing me a good night.

Have a Merry Airborne Christmas

168 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:56:40pm

re: #163 opnion

You got it. My issue is that I think that this is hubris on the part of Obama ,who really does not seem to respect the military that much

I think Our Messiah-King has as much respect for the military as Clinton did. *SPIT*

169 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:56:43pm

re: #163 opnion

You got it. My issue is that I think that this is hubris on the part of Obama ,who really does not seem to respect the military that much

How can you possibly think such a thing?
He actually considered joining, once.
Said so himself.
Didn't because there wasn't a war going on, or anything.

170 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:56:52pm

re: #155 Nevergiveup

So I missed this. Obama saluted at a Marine Base? Did he snap it off smartly? And I here he initiated the salute? I got a couple books on being an Officer he could read? Was this on film? I need a good laugh.


THe Chicago Tribune reported it yesterday without photo.
Barry did initiate the salute which is improper , but more that that he is not yet president.

171 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:56:55pm

re: #159 Desert Dog

He'll probably have the same "Col. Klink" half-assed wave-salute that Clinton had...if he even salutes at all

I don't know if you ever saw the movie "Stripes" with bill Murry. They had an officer in that the really saluted in a funny way. Kinda had his arm go off at an angle and down.

172 Gearhead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:57:02pm

re: #164 doriangrey

You mean he is waving at his wife's refrigerator?

**spew**

If I had a sock puppet, I'd double upding.

173 badbear  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:57:16pm

Curmudgeon in training anticipates with glee the coming righteous wrath of the estimable Mandy.

174 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:57:36pm

re: #156 opnion

Let me guess, Obama was not saluting anybody when he was a senator.
I have never seen a senator give & recieve a salute. Obama is doing this in his capacity of President Elect & does not rate a salute.
As a side issue Marines are always covered when they salute

Read what I said, you do not decline to return a salute because "he does not rate" just as you do not decline to return a salute because you are uncovered. You show courtesy for the Good of the Service. That does not mean that you have to put yourself out. For example if Obama asked them to join him in a game of basketball they could politely demure.

175 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:58:15pm

There are still things like green stamps.

The best example being "rewards" credit cards. Buy your groceries every week with the card instead of cash, but pay it off with cash, and voila, you earn some points for cash, travel, etc.

Online, there are places like MyPoints where you sign up an account, and if you are going to buy something online anyway, if you buy through a link from the mypoints site, you earn points that are redeemable for prizes.

I've earned a few $10 gift certificates to Red Lobster this past year.

176 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:58:55pm

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

What does molasses making have to do with Dan Rather's lies in a court of law?

Purgery

purgery: n. The part of a sugarhouse where the molasses is drained off from the sugar.

Ew, that reminds me -- when I was in sixth grade (on Kadena AFB in Okinawa), we had a class field trip off-base to a local sugarcane-processing factory. I was surprised by how incredibly vile it smelled!

(Okay, maybe "vile" is too strong a word -- I mean, it wasn't like a rotting animal carcass or curry-farts or pissing on a campfire. But it was really unpleasant in a way you wouldn't expect; not "like molasses, but stronger," for instance.)

177 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:59:10pm

A result of my fall down the icy steps, I now have a J-Lo bum. Unfortunately it is only on the right cheek. Not sure how this looks but it sure feels funny.

178 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:59:14pm

re: #141 itellu3times

I'm sorry for him ... unless he'd been paying himself millions per year for his wisdom, in which case he could still have tried to make amends instead of offing himself.

He probably figured out too late that investing all your hedgefund $ into one fund was probably a bad idea.

179 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:59:23pm

re: #173 badbear

Curmudgeon in training anticipates with glee the coming righteous wrath of the estimable Mandy.

Mandy is not curmudgeony, she is irascible. ;)

/ runs now since I need miles and miles of distance to hide

180 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 1:59:26pm

re: #151 Kosh's Shadow

Now we have rewards cards where they can track what you buy.

Now we have credit cards and credit agencies that have you profiled down to seven decimal places.

181 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:00:02pm

re: #166 FurryOldGuyJeans

I got a plastic Noah's Ark set from the local Arco station. That was back in the 60's.

Best gas station premium ever! My parents sent mine for my children. It stays in the box as a museum piece.

182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:00:38pm

Hmmm, I expected more buzz with the labia joke

183 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:00:39pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup

I don't know if you ever saw the movie "Stripes" with bill Murry. They had an officer in that the really saluted in a funny way. Kinda had his arm go off at an angle and down.

I can't see obama saluting anyone except his own reflection.

184 badbear  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:01:35pm

re: #177 newsjunkie_ky

A result of my fall down the icy steps, I now have a J-Lo bum. Unfortunately it is only on the right cheek. Not sure how this looks but it sure feels funny.

much sympathy, but please spare us the photo.

185 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:01:46pm

re: #159 Desert Dog

He'll probably have the same "Col. Klink" half-assed wave-salute that Clinton had...if he even salutes at all

Or being a control freak he is practicing in front of the mirror to look extra "military", just hope he doesn't go with the palm up to go with the Il Duce head tilt.

186 Gearhead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:01:50pm

re: #176 Throbert McGee

Ew, that reminds me -- when I was in sixth grade (on Kadena AFB in Okinawa), we had a class field trip off-base to a local sugarcane-processing factory. I was surprised by how incredibly vile it smelled!

(Okay, maybe "vile" is too strong a word -- I mean, it wasn't like a rotting animal carcass or curry-farts or pissing on a campfire. But it was really unpleasant in a way you wouldn't expect; not "like molasses, but stronger," for instance.)

Kind of like my grandfather's favorite fishing hole, downwind from a rendering plant.

187 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:01:56pm

re: #174 lifeofthemind

Read what I said, you do not decline to return a salute because "he does not rate" just as you do not decline to return a salute because you are uncovered. You show courtesy for the Good of the Service. That does not mean that you have to put yourself out. For example if Obama asked them to join him in a game of basketball they could politely demure.

In the Medical/Dental Corp we are pretty lax with saluting when we are in our own units. But I have been on an Active Duty base recently alot and I got to get my mind right real fast when I do. I am getting saluted by Sailors almost out of my range of Peripheral vision.

188 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:02:03pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup

I don't know if you ever saw the movie "Stripes" with bill Murry. They had an officer in that the really saluted in a funny way. Kinda had his arm go off at an angle and down.

Haven't seen the movie in quite some time, but if I remember the salute you speak of I would say it was a Brit-style salute.

189 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:02:08pm

BBL.

Have a g**d evening, lizards.

190 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:02:17pm

re: #179 FurryOldGuyJeans

Mandy is not curmudgeony, she is irascible. ;)

/ runs now since I need miles and miles of distance to hide

ROTFLMAO... No one has ever successfully hidden from Mandy's Clue-by-Four...

191 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:02:28pm

re: #151 Kosh's Shadow

Now we have rewards cards where they can track what you buy.

on the plus side, at least unsolicited advertisements are more personalized as opposed to sending me, say Kotex coupons or baby formula coupons. ;-)>

192 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:02:32pm

Bush Grants Posthumous Pardon to Florida Man Who Aided Israel

A deceased Florida man who aided the fight for Israel's independence by helping send aircraft to Jewish fighters in the 1940s was pardoned by President Bush Tuesday for his conviction on violating a U.S. arms embargo.
193 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:02:54pm

Obama couldn't wait to be president, thus "The Office of the President-elect", couldn't wait to move into Blair, and of course he just cannot wait to be saluted.

He wasn't going to get a salute unless he started it, thus he started it.

194 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:02:56pm

re: #147 jwb7605

Turning over evidence and revealing all players would provide a nice platform upon which to conceal and redirect attention.

I still think they should have let Blago do the deals, get people appointed and elected, then bring out the charges.

Many more kingdoms would have fallen.


Am wondering if we'll ever find out the circumstances around Fitzgerald's timing.

195 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:03:37pm

re: #184 badbear

much sympathy, but please spare us the photo.


What, you don't want to see my lopsided bum? LOL

196 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:03:39pm

re: #188 FurryOldGuyJeans

Haven't seen the movie in quite some time, but if I remember the salute you speak of I would say it was a Brit-style salute.

maybe but real exaggerated.

197 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:03:40pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm, I expected more buzz with the labia joke

Dinged ya! I'm a dead poster walking as it is for starting the whole thing.

198 badbear  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:03:54pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm, I expected more buzz with the labia joke

I loved it, but was ducking to avoid fallout from those who didn't.

199 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:03:58pm

re: #190 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... No one has ever successfully hidden from Mandy's Clue-by-Four...

She wields that thing better than Thor ever did Mjolnir.

200 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:03:59pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm, I expected more buzz with the labia joke

Oh you will get plenty of buzzing in your head when Mandy introduces you to her Clue-by-Four... ;p

201 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:04:18pm

re: #174 lifeofthemind

Read what I said, you do not decline to return a salute because "he does not rate" just as you do not decline to return a salute because you are uncovered. You show courtesy for the Good of the Service. That does not mean that you have to put yourself out. For example if Obama asked them to join him in a game of basketball they could politely demure.

I did read what you said. I am not questioning the Marines, they got put in a no win situation. I am questioning the inappropriateness of the President Elect. He solicited a salute & I am simply saying that he does not yet rate one.
I am not making an issue over who is covered or not, I only responded to your post on that. And let's get real, do you really think that these Marines could have politely declined an invitation to play hoops with BHO?

202 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:04:53pm

re: #175 Silhouette

There are still things like green stamps.

The best example being "rewards" credit cards. Buy your groceries every week with the card instead of cash, but pay it off with cash, and voila, you earn some points for cash, travel, etc.

Online, there are places like MyPoints where you sign up an account, and if you are going to buy something online anyway, if you buy through a link from the mypoints site, you earn points that are redeemable for prizes.

I've earned a few $10 gift certificates to Red Lobster this past year.

Young-un: there is nothing like Green Stamps.
You got the book, which had the selection of items, with pictures, and how many Green Stamps were needed to get it.

Then, every time you went to a participating store, you got Green Stamps. Loose amounts. One, ten, whatever.

Then you came home, and used a sponge (if you were smart) to wet the back of the things, and paste them into the Green Stamp book.

When you had the requisite number of books, you went to the Green Stamp place, turned in the books, and they had your selection shipped to that Green Stamp place. The person at the Green Stamp place would, in fact, examine each sheet of each book to make sure there were enough Green Stamps pasted on.

A week to ten days later, you went back to get your selection.

The "rewards" system pales in comparison.

203 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:01pm
204 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:03pm

re: #199 FurryOldGuyJeans

She wields that thing better than Thor ever did Mjolnir.

True dat... ;)

205 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:08pm

re: #194 rightymouse

Am wondering if we'll ever find out the circumstances around Fitzgerald's timing.

Apparently, money had exchanged hands. I think Fitz saw the opportunity and took it, knowing full well he needs to get these indictments under way before Obama takes office. It's a lot harder for Obama to stop the court proceedings than it is to stop an investigation.

206 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:12pm

re: #177 newsjunkie_ky

A result of my fall down the icy steps, I now have a J-Lo bum. Unfortunately it is only on the right cheek. Not sure how this looks but it sure feels funny.

So women can do this at home? hmmm I foresee many accidents as lads are helping lasses to negotiate the steps.

207 Captain Amercia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:14pm
WASHINGTON: Even before taking office, Hillary Rodham Clinton is seeking to build a more powerful State Department, with a bigger budget, high-profile special envoys to trouble spots and an expanded role in dealing with global economic issues at a time of crisis.

Clinton is recruiting Jacob Lew, the budget director under President Bill Clinton, as one of two deputies, according to people close to the Obama transition team. Lew’s focus, they said, would be on increasing the share of financing that goes to the diplomatic corps. LINK


I think this is hilarious. Bigger budget? More power? Nah, not Hillary! Ha! While dopey Joe Biden looks to DECREASE his power as Vice President, along comes Hillary looking to INCREASE her power as Secretary of State!

Here’s a bit of advice for dopey Joe: If you wnat to be taken the least bit seriousl over the next four years here’s what you your going to have to do:

At the very first Presidential Cabinet Meeting, as soon a Hillary opens her yap and starts cackleing, lean over, grab her by the scruff of the neck and SMASH HER FACE on the table. Then stand up, look every other sissy in the room directly in the face and ask if anyone else has anything to say. Make sure the Marine General is in the head at the time. That way he’ll have plausible denaiability and you can buy him some beers afterward.

208 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:27pm

re: #67 yma o hyd

Merry Christmas, Lizards!

This is my favourite Christmas Card - thought you'd all deserve to have it as well!

Heh... I was waiting for Chudleigh the dog to turn the "Snowdog" into a Golden Retriever, if you know what I mean.

209 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:28pm

re: #200 doriangrey

Oh you will get plenty of buzzing in your head when Mandy introduces you to her Clue-by-Four... ;p

and little birdies, and stars...:) And you'll keep trying to answer the phone...:)

210 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:34pm

re: #190 doriangrey

Babe Ruthless.

211 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:05:47pm

re: #196 Nevergiveup

maybe but real exaggerated.

Colour Sergeant salutes were really exaggerated during the Imperial days.

Wish I had the movie on DVD so I could answer the "question" one way or the other as I spend my enforced snow entrapment here.

212 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:06:01pm

re: #167 Dustyvet

For all you Trooper who haven't seen this, enjoy (not sure who wrote it, but it's good)

‘Twas the jump before Christmas and all through the plane, the Jumpmaster is crazy, the Safety’s insane.

The static lines hung on the cables with care, in hopes that a green light soon would be appear.

At the one minute warning not a word would be said, while malfunctions and entanglements danced through their heads.

With the door bundles rigged, I hooked up my pack, Let’s pull this jump off without a racetrack!

When out on the wing there rose such a clatter, I opened the door to see what was the matter.

And what to my night-visioned eyes did appear, but a single towed jumper all bundled in fear.

I leaned out the door and grabbed hold of my knife, I slashed through his static line saving his life.

He fell through the night ‘Till I saw him no more, I came back inside and yelled, “Stand in the door.”

Some jumpers were happy and some full of fright, but the green light came on and they all jumped that night.

The bundle, the jumpers, all exited the door, one thousand, two thousand, three thousand, four!

As I jumped in the blast with my knees in the breeze, I prayed to St. Michael as I slipped from the trees!

Dark skies full of chutes and strong winds did they blow, I heard a faint Laughter, From the DZSO.

I lowered my ruck and prepared to land, the slip that I have is now hand over hand.

I land with a crash the PLF is now moot, take a leak, find my gear, then roll up my chute

I looked for the stiner, it’s a mile away. I put on my kit and start heading that way.
The assembly point strobe light so bright, I knew all the troopers, would find it that night.

No matter where or when, be it Desert or Snow, The Airborne Trooper is ready to go.

Then I noticed the trooper holding that light, he had just been towed and wishing me a good night.

Have a Merry Airborne Christmas

Excellent! Favorited. Thanks.

213 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:06:20pm

re: #194 rightymouse

Am wondering if we'll ever find out the circumstances around Fitzgerald's timing.

I'm thinking "compromise" would be accurate.

214 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:06:32pm

re: #193 Silhouette

Obama couldn't wait to be president, thus "The Office of the President-elect", couldn't wait to move into Blair, and of course he just cannot wait to be saluted.

He wasn't going to get a salute unless he started it, thus he started it.


That was my point.

215 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:06:34pm

Tina Fey voted AP Entertainer of the Year

That's the best entertainment has to offer?

216 Alouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:06:54pm

re: #192 jcm

Bush Grants Posthumous Pardon to Florida Man Who Aided Israel

Pollard would appreciate it more than some dead guy.

217 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:07:05pm

re: #190 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... No one has ever successfully hidden from Mandy's Clue-by-Four...

i am the LGF curmudgeon & PROUD OF IT

218 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:07:15pm

re: #212 Outrider

Excellent! Favorited. Thanks.

Welcome...:)

219 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:07:24pm

re: #206 lifeofthemind

So women can do this at home? hmmm I foresee many accidents as lads are helping lasses to negotiate the steps.


Can just picture the ad now. Madison Ave. are you reading?

220 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:07:38pm

re: #205 Honorary Yooper

Apparently, money had exchanged hands. I think Fitz saw the opportunity and took it, knowing full well he needs to get these indictments under way before Obama takes office. It's a lot harder for Obama to stop the court proceedings than it is to stop an investigation.


Am not sure I trust Fitzgerald to have the most honorable of intent. I guess we'll have to see how this one plays out.

221 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:07:41pm

re: #215 jcm

Tina Fey voted AP Entertainer of the Year

That's the best entertainment has to offer?

And Obama is the best America has to offer? just saying.

222 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:08:05pm

re: #215 jcm

Tina Fey voted AP Entertainer of the Year

That's the best entertainment has to offer?

Obviously the AP lacks taste, but we already knew that.

223 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:08:14pm

re: #187 Nevergiveup

In the Medical/Dental Corp we are pretty lax with saluting when we are in our own units. But I have been on an Active Duty base recently alot and I got to get my mind right real fast when I do. I am getting saluted by Sailors almost out of my range of Peripheral vision.

Some troops think it is fun to torture Junior Officers by making them return salutes or almost saluting and then turning away when they see a new JO. When a Chief or a Gunny sees that training happens quick.

224 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:08:22pm

re: #216 Alouette

Pollard would appreciate it more than some dead guy.

Pollard did not do anything so honorable.

225 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:08:28pm

re: #221 Nevergiveup

And Obama is the best America has to offer? just saying.

Hear you on that one...

226 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:08:43pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup

I don't know if you ever saw the movie "Stripes" with bill Murry. They had an officer in that the really saluted in a funny way. Kinda had his arm go off at an angle and down.

I think a lot of future officers, while in ROTC attempt to stylize and personalize their own salute. Usually last until they hit their first real Platoon Sergeant or First Sergeant. "Uh... Lieutenant! A word please... What in the name of all that is holy do you call that limp wristed movement?"

227 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:09:08pm

re: #207 Captain Amercia

I think this is hilarious. Bigger budget? More power? Nah, not Hillary! Ha! While dopey Joe Biden looks to DECREASE his power as Vice President, along comes Hillary looking to INCREASE her power as Secretary of State!

Here’s a bit of advice for dopey Joe: If you wnat to be taken the least bit seriousl over the next four years here’s what you your going to have to do:

At the very first Presidential Cabinet Meeting, as soon a Hillary opens her yap and starts cackleing, lean over, grab her by the scruff of the neck and SMASH HER FACE on the table. Then stand up, look every other sissy in the room directly in the face and ask if anyone else has anything to say. Make sure the Marine General is in the head at the time. That way he’ll have plausible denaiability and you can buy him some beers afterward.

Too violent. He should just offer her a cigar at every cabinet meeting.

228 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:09:19pm

re: #173 badbear

Curmudgeon in training anticipates with glee the coming righteous wrath of the estimable Mandy.

I AM THE LGF CURMUDGEON you must pass my muster to even be in the training program.

229 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:09:24pm

I got no fear of Mandy. She knows I like the whacking.

*WHACK*

OOO!

Do it again!

230 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:09:38pm

re: #203 Nevergiveup

Bush Grants Posthumous Pardon to Florida Man Who Aided Israel

Well done. Well done.

Agreed.

Yet, isn't it odd?

First, that he even *can* pardon someone retroactively, who acted and died long before Bush took office.

Second, that he would so favor one in spite of the non-approval such an act might get from his and our Saudi friends.

Harumph.

231 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:09:42pm

re: #215 jcm

Tina Fey voted AP Entertainer of the Year

That's the best entertainment has to offer?

Yeah, Kung-fu Panda should have gotten it, but he was deemed ineligible since he was a part-time cook.

232 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:10:29pm

re: #213 jwb7605

I'm thinking "compromise" would be accurate.

It's going to be interesting, that's for sure. Especially with MSM 'reporting'.

233 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:10:41pm

re: #193 Silhouette

Neat I didn't know about the < sub > tag

234 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:10:48pm

re: #220 rightymouse

Am not sure I trust Fitzgerald to have the most honorable of intent. I guess we'll have to see how this one plays out.

If it is any consolation, he put up to the Plame case by the Illinois pols in order to piss off Bush. Yes, it was they who suggested that he become the special prosecutor. They had hoped that Fitz would be fired by Bush for persuing the Plame case and Scooter Libby. It backfired on them.

235 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:10:52pm

re: #215 jcm

Tina Fey voted AP Entertainer of the Year

That's the best entertainment has to offer?

She made fun of a Republican.

That has earned Oscars, Emmys, and a Nobel prize or two.

236 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:10:59pm

re: #223 lifeofthemind

Some troops think it is fun to torture Junior Officers by making them return salutes or almost saluting and then turning away when they see a new JO. When a Chief or a Gunny sees that training happens quick.

We once had a 2nd LT who packed around more junk, three ring binders, files, other assorted junk in one hand, and a cup of coffee in the other. We used to get in line to toss him salutes...:)

237 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:11:04pm
238 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:11:05pm

re: #223 lifeofthemind

Some troops think it is fun to torture Junior Officers by making them return salutes or almost saluting and then turning away when they see a new JO. When a Chief or a Gunny sees that training happens quick.

Well I've never seen that with me, but then these guys/gals are probably gonna get a tooth ache one day and I got a long memory.

239 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:11:34pm

re: #215 jcm

Tina Fey voted AP Entertainer of the Year

That's the best entertainment has to offer?


And SNL got more viewers because of Sarah Palin. The night she was on set a record.
Must admit '30 Rock' is a funny show.

240 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:12:12pm

re: #234 Honorary Yooper

If it is any consolation, he put up to the Plame case by the Illinois pols in order to piss off Bush. Yes, it was they who suggested that he become the special prosecutor. They had hoped that Fitz would be fired by Bush for persuing the Plame case and Scooter Libby. It backfired on them.


Interesting. I didn't know that the Illinois pols did that.

241 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:12:17pm

re: #201 opnion

I did read what you said. I am not questioning the Marines, they got put in a no win situation. I am questioning the inappropriateness of the President Elect. He solicited a salute & I am simply saying that he does not yet rate one.
I am not making an issue over who is covered or not, I only responded to your post on that. And let's get real, do you really think that these Marines could have politely declined an invitation to play hoops with BHO?

or it could be he feels intimidated by those Marines and really is unsure of himself around young men that are not quite so...metrosexual. Thus jumped the gun out of insecurity.

242 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:12:22pm

re: #201 opnion

I did read what you said. I am not questioning the Marines, they got put in a no win situation. I am questioning the inappropriateness of the President Elect. He solicited a salute & I am simply saying that he does not yet rate one.
I am not making an issue over who is covered or not, I only responded to your post on that. And let's get real, do you really think that these Marines could have politely declined an invitation to play hoops with BHO?

Peace.
Yes though I do think that a Marine could say "No thank you Sir"

243 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:12:29pm

re: #236 Dustyvet

We once had a 2nd LT who packed around more junk, three ring binders, files, other assorted junk in one hand, and a cup of coffee in the other. We used to get in line to toss him salutes...:)

my father when he was a master sarg. thought 2nd LT. ranked up there with the boils on a e-8 touckas

244 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:12:32pm

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Well I've never seen that with me, but then these guys/gals are probably gonna get a tooth ache one day and I got a long memory.


Root canals!

245 NelsFree  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:12:34pm

Tina Fey has been proclaimed "America's Sweetheart"

[Link: extratv.warnerbros.com...]

I propose a contest for "LGF Sweetheart". Contestants include:

Sharmuta
MandyManners
Any Other Lizard of the Female Persuasion

Contestants are requested to submit a photo or provide a link of a photo to the LGF Sweetheart Contest thread, which Charles will have to start once everyone reads this. A panel of four judges shall be nominated by Charles, except me, because I thought of it. Charles will be the tiebreaker.
Contestants shall write an essay of between 200 and 500 words describing how best to return America to Traditional Conservtive Values. Bonus points for a great apple pie recipe. Entries must be complete by 31 January 2009, with results released on or about 14 February 2009.
Oh, prizes. What do you think we should have besides the honor and glory stuff?

246 Gearhead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:13:03pm

re: #215 jcm

Tina Fey voted AP Entertainer of the Year

That's the best entertainment has to offer?

Dennis Miller far outdid her as SNL News anchor.

247 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:13:16pm

re: #233 lifeofthemind

Neat I didn't know about the < sub > tag

<sup> tag is handy if you need stuff like oF, and things.

248 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:13:34pm

jcm,
Loved the picture of your girls in the Seattle snow.

249 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:13:38pm
250 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:13:58pm

re: #217 yochanan

i am the LGF curmudgeon & PROUD OF IT

Get back in line, recruit! Pass muster with me before you can call yourself that! ;)

251 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:14:10pm

How many open threads can dance on the head of a pin?

Okay...I am a quilter. At a quilting bee we tried this...yes, we were genuinely interested in trying this out...
The winner on a #10 needle was 8 treads stacked.
We also found that it was possible to stack more thread without it falling off, if we ran the 4" length of thread through a beeswax block first.
This is a true story!
: )

252 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:14:13pm

re: #224 Nevergiveup

Pollard did not do anything so honorable.

He was a freaking spy that betrayed his country.

253 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:14:32pm

re: #244 opnion

Root canals!

On teeth that dont even need them... ;O

254 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:14:33pm

re: #243 yochanan

my father when he was a master sarg. thought 2nd LT. ranked up there with the boils on a e-8 touckas

I once had a Chief of Firing Battery (E-7) who felt the same way.

255 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:14:37pm

re: #223 lifeofthemind

Some troops think it is fun to torture Junior Officers by making them return salutes or almost saluting and then turning away when they see a new JO. When a Chief or a Gunny sees that training happens quick.

We used to space out when we saw an officer. It was one salute for us, but we could keep him busy for a good 3-4 minutes.

Hated Naval bases. Kept thinking "OH! Shiny collar, better salute. FUCK! Another Chief!"

256 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:14:37pm

re: #242 lifeofthemind

Peace.
Yes though I do think that a Marine could say "No thank you Sir"

We are at peace :) Perhaps the Marine could decline , but his Commanding Officer would no doubt be most unhappy.

257 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:14:44pm

re: #211 FurryOldGuyJeans

Colour Sergeant salutes were really exaggerated during the Imperial days.

Wish I had the movie on DVD so I could answer the "question" one way or the other as I spend my enforced snow entrapment here.

Then there is the "Benny Hill"

258 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:15:18pm

re: #251 notutopia

How many open threads can dance on the head of a pin?

Okay...I am a quilter. At a quilting bee we tried this...yes, we were genuinely interested in trying this out...
The winner on a #10 needle was 8 treads stacked.
We also found that it was possible to stack more thread without it falling off, if we ran the 4" length of thread through a beeswax block first.
This is a true story!
: )

I had no idea quilters were so wild.

259 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:15:32pm

re: #245 NelsFree

Tina Fey has been proclaimed "America's Sweetheart"

[Link: extratv.warnerbros.com...]

I propose a contest for "LGF Sweetheart". Contestants include:

Sharmuta
MandyManners
Any Other Lizard of the Female Persuasion

Contestants are requested to submit a photo or provide a link of a photo to the LGF Sweetheart Contest thread, which Charles will have to start once everyone reads this. A panel of four judges shall be nominated by Charles, except me, because I thought of it. Charles will be the tiebreaker.
Contestants shall write an essay of between 200 and 500 words describing how best to return America to Traditional Conservtive Values. Bonus points for a great apple pie recipe. Entries must be complete by 31 January 2009, with results released on or about 14 February 2009.
Oh, prizes. What do you think we should have besides the honor and glory stuff?

I vote for Goddessoftheclassroom... ;)

260 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:15:34pm

re: #253 doriangrey

On teeth that dont even need them... ;O

Yeah yeah , right! & no novicane!

261 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:15:43pm

re: #245 NelsFree

Gift certficate for a lizard tattoo.

Forged Hawaiin birth certificate.

A copy of "The Selfish Gene".

A complete set of steel guitar strings.

A webcam.

262 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:15:59pm

re: #249 ploome hineni

Pollrd never went to trial

he accepted a plea...which the government reneged on

Pollard may have broken some laws, but does not deserve what he got

He got life. As do almost all betrayers of this country.

263 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:16:32pm

re: #229 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I got no fear of Mandy. She knows I like the whacking.

*WHACK*

OOO!

Do it again!

TMI

264 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:16:38pm

re: #257 lifeofthemind

Then there is the "Benny Hill"

[Link: www.jesseshunting.com...]

265 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:16:47pm

re: #240 rightymouse

Interesting. I didn't know that the Illinois pols did that.

They suggested it. This includes former Speaker Dennis Hastert, as well as Senator Dick Durbin. It's a grouping of Republicans and Democrats that John Kass has christened The Combine. The Illinois Republicans involved were already pissed that Fitz put former Governor George Ryan behind bars, and the Democrats were pissed that Fitz was on the tail of the Machine. The Dems also did not like seeing Ryan in jail. Something about scratching backs.

It's a right royal mess in this state, and the corruptocrats cross the party lines.

266 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:16:54pm

re: #250 FurryOldGuyJeans

Get back in line, recruit! Pass muster with me before you can call yourself that! ;)

WHO SAYS YOU? ROFLMAO

267 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:17:09pm

re: #259 doriangrey

I vote for Goddessoftheclassroom... ;)

I'll hold out for the swimsuit competition.
(with accompanying articles, of course!)

268 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:17:09pm

re: #249 ploome hineni

Pollrd never went to trial

he accepted a plea...which the government reneged on

Pollard may have broken some laws, but does not deserve what he got

Maybe. He got screwed by Weinberger for sure, but he had a security clearance and took some type of oath I am sure. I am Jewish but also in the Armed Forces and it is hard for me to work up all that much sympathy for him. And then to top it off the idiot ran, ran I say, to the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC. Could he have been any more obvious?

269 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:17:09pm

re: #67 yma o hyd

Merry Christmas, Lizards!

This is my favourite Christmas Card - thought you'd all deserve to have it as well!

how lovely,
thank you for sharing that.

270 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:17:23pm

re: #236 Dustyvet

We once had a 2nd LT who packed around more junk, three ring binders, files, other assorted junk in one hand, and a cup of coffee in the other. We used to get in line to toss him salutes...:)

Grrr

271 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:17:35pm

re: #253 doriangrey

On teeth that dont even need them... ;O

Well not on the troops.

272 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:17:58pm

re: #260 opnion

Yeah yeah , right! & no novicane!

Novocaine what Novocaine, they dont need no stinkin Novocaine...

273 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:17:59pm

re: #224 Nevergiveup

Pollard did not do anything so honorable.

But he has a sentence as bad as those who caused significant damage to the US, not just passing on to an ally information that they were supposed to get under agreements.
Some people who did damage to the US got significantly shorter sentences.

274 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:18:08pm

re: #257 lifeofthemind

Then there is the "Benny Hill"

See the movie "Zulu" for what I meant, the non-comedic version. Inaccurate as to historical details and very Un-PC, but still one excellent action drama.

Considering it was Bill Murray I have to revise what I was thinking into the realm of Benny Hill, though. ;)

275 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:18:13pm

re: #258 DaddyG

Heh, never underestimate us little ole gray haired's...

276 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:18:27pm

re: #249 ploome hineni

Pollard may have broken some laws, but does not deserve what he got

Pollard committed espionage. He deserved every minute of the sentence he got.

It makes absolutely no difference that he was passing secrets to a friendly nation.

277 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:18:51pm

re: #270 lifeofthemind

Grrr

Oh no is that you LT? ...:)

278 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:18:57pm

re: #265 Honorary Yooper

They suggested it. This includes former Speaker Dennis Hastert, as well as Senator Dick Durbin. It's a grouping of Republicans and Democrats that John Kass has christened The Combine. The Illinois Republicans involved were already pissed that Fitz put former Governor George Ryan behind bars, and the Democrats were pissed that Fitz was on the tail of the Machine. The Dems also did not like seeing Ryan in jail. Something about scratching backs.

It's a right royal mess in this state, and the corruptocrats cross the party lines.

GOV'RCROOK, CONGRESSCROOK, ALDERCROOK (I know that is redundant)

279 badbear  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:19:07pm

re: #228 yochanan

I AM THE LGF CURMUDGEON you must pass my muster to even be in the training program.

This retired jarhead has grumped from one end of the world to the other, but I'll willing to pick up a few tricks from the few, the vile, and the unsound. Permission to come aboard the dojo, Obicurmudge...

280 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:19:26pm

re: #262 Outrider

He got life. As do almost all betrayers of this country.

True that.

Any way Bush can Rescind the Marc Rich pardon.

281 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:19:47pm

re: #249 ploome hineni

Pollrd never went to trial

he accepted a plea...which the government reneged on

Pollard may have broken some laws, but does not deserve what he got

Bull pucky.

282 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:19:49pm

re: #273 Kosh's Shadow

But he has a sentence as bad as those who caused significant damage to the US, not just passing on to an ally information that they were supposed to get under agreements.
Some people who did damage to the US got significantly shorter sentences.

It's still not all that clear what he did and did not do.

283 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:19:49pm

re: #265 Honorary Yooper

They suggested it. This includes former Speaker Dennis Hastert, as well as Senator Dick Durbin. It's a grouping of Republicans and Democrats that John Kass has christened The Combine. The Illinois Republicans involved were already pissed that Fitz put former Governor George Ryan behind bars, and the Democrats were pissed that Fitz was on the tail of the Machine. The Dems also did not like seeing Ryan in jail. Something about scratching backs.

It's a right royal mess in this state, and the corruptocrats cross the party lines.


Oh, boy! I best get more popcorn then. :)

284 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:19:52pm

re: #248 newsjunkie_ky

jcm,
Loved the picture of your girls in the Seattle snow.

The 9 mo old the one in the wagon, she would tilt her head back and stick her tongue out trying to catch snowflakes, it was just a riot! Wish I brought the video camera for just that.

285 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:20:12pm
286 MJ  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:20:40pm

Jimmy Carter, America's premier antisemite, bemoans the fact that Hezbollah can't shoot down Israeli aircraft which fly over Lebanon to keep on eye on those terrorists:

"The general showed us a graph of the many flights of Israeli planes over all parts of Lebanon, averaging about a dozen each day. Neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese Armed Forces have any anti-aircraft weapons for defense."

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

287 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:20:46pm

re: #279 badbear

This retired jarhead has grumped from one end of the world to the other, but I'll willing to pick up a few tricks from the few, the vile, and the unsound. Permission to come aboard the dojo, Obicurmudge...

granted

288 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:20:51pm

re: #276 lobo91

Pollard committed espionage. He deserved every minute of the sentence he got.

It makes absolutely no difference that he was passing secrets to a friendly nation.

I believe he deserved more than he received, lots more, since he was a spy working for a foreign power, especially since it was a friendly nation.

289 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:21:17pm
290 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:21:18pm

re: #252 Outrider

He was a freaking spy that betrayed his country.

Yup

291 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:21:51pm

re: #285 ploome hineni

And don't think for a minute that Pollard did not make it harder for every member of the Armed Forces that are Jewish.

292 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:21:53pm

4:48 EST BREAKING NEWS
OBAMA releases INFO on his AIDES

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Obama aide talked with governor; no deal discussed

293 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:21:59pm

re: #286 MJ

Jimmy Carter, America's premier antisemite, bemoans the fact that Hezbollah can't shoot down Israeli aircraft which fly over Lebanon to keep on eye on those terrorists:

"The general showed us a graph of the many flights of Israeli planes over all parts of Lebanon, averaging about a dozen each day. Neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese Armed Forces have any anti-aircraft weapons for defense."

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

What a sockcucker.

294 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:22:03pm

re: #286 MJ

Jimmy Carter, America's premier antisemite, bemoans the fact that Hezbollah can't shoot down Israeli aircraft which fly over Lebanon to keep on eye on those terrorists:

"The general showed us a graph of the many flights of Israeli planes over all parts of Lebanon, averaging about a dozen each day. Neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese Armed Forces have any anti-aircraft weapons for defense."

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

Shhh, the Russian's Might hear you...

295 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:22:08pm

re: #276 lobo91

Pollard committed espionage. He deserved every minute of the sentence he got.

It makes absolutely no difference that he was passing secrets to a friendly nation.

So you think that passing secret knowledge of OTHER COUNTRIES to an ally, which resulted in no damage to the US, deserves the same sentence as passing secrets about the US to an enemy, resulting in compromised communications, dead agents, etc.?

296 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:22:55pm

re: #282 Nevergiveup

It's still not all that clear what he did and did not do.

Bah! It's pretty clear that he had a security clearance and then sold secrets that he was sworn to hold.

297 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:23:14pm

re: #288 FurryOldGuyJeans

I believe he deserved more than he received, lots more, since he was a spy working for a foreign power, especially since it was a friendly nation.

For reasons discussed previously, I put Bill Clinton in the same category, with reference to what he let the Chinese get through various methods.

298 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:23:18pm

re: #256 opnion

We are at peace :) Perhaps the Marine could decline , but his Commanding Officer would no doubt be most unhappy.

Yeah he'd have to "punish" him.

Lance Corporal Jones you really stepped in it, need to get you off base. Here do this courier run to Thailand and don't show your face here for two weeks."

299 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:23:19pm
300 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:24:09pm
301 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:24:18pm

re: #293 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What a sockcucker.

Jimmy should not be allowed to travel farther then 20 miles in any direction from his peanut farm.

302 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:24:33pm

A Haiku about My Backyard Buddha...

The Buddha sits in winter
Bamboo weeps behind
A silly hat made of snow

303 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:24:37pm

re: #280 DeafDog

True that.

Any way Bush can Rescind the Marc Rich pardon.

From my admittedly sketchy knowledge of presidential pardon law; once someone is pardoned it is as if they never committed the crime, legally. New charges would have to be filed.

304 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:24:59pm

re: #299 ploome hineni

like the USA does not have spies in Israel? or France or England?

And that makes it ok. Relative morality, yep that's the ticket.

305 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:25:00pm

re: #301 Dustyvet

Jimmy should not be allowed to travel farther then 20 miles in any direction from his peanut farm.

Disagree.
Jimmy should not be allowed within 20 miles of our border.

306 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:25:04pm

re: #296 DeafDog

Bah! It's pretty clear that he had a security clearance and then sold secrets that he was sworn to hold.

I am not disagreeing with you. Someone made the statement that what ever he did he only gave the information to a friendly country. I was only responding that we really don't know what he did. I ain't no fan of Pollards. And he also did it for money. Not much but still.

307 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:25:18pm

everybody spies on each other, that being said they should never have used an American citizen. If an American citizen was gather intell on islamo fascists in America I have no problem with that but against the gov'rment they should have used Israeli's or other non americans.

America spys on Israel all the time.

308 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:25:19pm

re: #295 Kosh's Shadow

So you think that passing secret knowledge of OTHER COUNTRIES to an ally, which resulted in no damage to the US, deserves the same sentence as passing secrets about the US to an enemy, resulting in compromised communications, dead agents, etc.?

Coming from a government contract with a security clearance, it doenst matter who you give the information too. You take an oath and guarantee you will keep the information secure. It doesn't matter who he gave it to, its the fact he gave it away at all.

309 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:25:24pm

re: #177 newsjunkie_ky

A result of my fall down the icy steps, I now have a J-Lo bum. Unfortunately it is only on the right cheek. Not sure how this looks but it sure feels funny.

i'm so sorry to hear abt. the fall you took. did you get any salt on the the steps.
and an ice pak on your bruise. and something refreshing and alcoholic to drink?

310 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:25:28pm

re: #298 lifeofthemind

Yeah he'd have to "punish" him.

Lance Corporal Jones you really stepped in it, need to get you off base. Here do this courier run to Thailand and don't show your face here for two weeks."

My point is that no matter who likes it, BHO is going to be Commander in Chief. Rudeness to him will not result in a promotion.

311 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:26:28pm

re: #295 Kosh's Shadow

So you think that passing secret knowledge of OTHER COUNTRIES to an ally, which resulted in no damage to the US, deserves the same sentence as passing secrets about the US to an enemy, resulting in compromised communications, dead agents, etc.?

Breaking security clearance is abhorant. Period. End of story. You do it, you pay.

Do you think it's ok for security analysts to decide when it's ok to sell national secrets?

312 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:26:35pm

re: #295 Kosh's Shadow

So you think that passing secret knowledge of OTHER COUNTRIES to an ally, which resulted in no damage to the US, deserves the same sentence as passing secrets about the US to an enemy, resulting in compromised communications, dead agents, etc.?

It doesn't matter what I think. It does matter, however, what the law says.

If you look up the relevant section of the US Code, you'll note that it doesn't mention whether or not the foreign power involved is an ally, or what effect the act may or may not have had on US national security.

313 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:27:01pm

re: #297 jwb7605

For reasons discussed previously, I put Bill Clinton in the same category, with reference to what he let the Chinese get through various methods.

I put Mr. Clinton in a much worse category since he had access to everything, no limits.

314 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:27:32pm
315 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:27:36pm

re: #300 ploome hineni

and before Pollard, it was a piece of cake?

and collective punishment is verboten, but always good when it come to Jews?

I don't want want to get into an augment with you. But it wasn't that easy for me to get my security clearance.

316 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:27:45pm

re: #273 Kosh's Shadow

But he has a sentence as bad as those who caused significant damage to the US, not just passing on to an ally information that they were supposed to get under agreements.
Some people who did damage to the US got significantly shorter sentences.

Do some more research on the damage he did please! Particularly in regards to the releasing of Signal Intelligence data. Somehow.. it ended up in Soviet bloc hands... they took action.

317 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:27:53pm

re: #312 lobo91

Long time, no hear from. Merry Christmas.

318 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:28:04pm

re: #299 ploome hineni

like the USA does not have spies in Israel? or France or England?

Don't like spies or spying, so I won't fall for moral relativism.

319 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:28:41pm

comparing dhimmi carter to a sockcucker now you have done it you need to go to linda lovelace and ask for forgiveness.

320 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:28:53pm

re: #215 jcm

Tina Fey voted AP Entertainer of the Year

That's the best entertainment has to offer?

It's offical, we have reach it.

She is funny and all...but the Entertainer of the Year? Perhaps that award should have been MOONBAT Entertainer of the Year?

321 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:28:59pm

re: #301 Dustyvet

Jimmy should not be allowed to travel farther then 20 miles in any direction from his peanut farm.

Jimmy has been advising Hamas on making a deal for Shalit.
Therefore, he should be locked up for the total length of time Shalit is imprisoned, and be released in the same condition.

322 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:29:44pm
323 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:30:04pm

re: #312 lobo91

It doesn't matter what I think. It does matter, however, what the law says.

If you look up the relevant section of the US Code, you'll note that it doesn't mention whether or not the foreign power involved is an ally, or what effect the act may or may not have had on US national security.

EXACTLY!

You're supposed to take the word of a covert operative working for a foreign government who is asking you to funnel him national security information that he in fact isn't lying about where the information is going to end up?

"Thanks for the missile plans. What? North Korea? Not me, I work for Canada. No worries. The cash drop is in the usual bus terminal locker."

324 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:30:05pm

re: #321 Kosh's Shadow

Jimmy has been advising Hamas on making a deal for Shalit.
Therefore, he should be locked up for the total length of time Shalit is imprisoned, and be released in the same condition.

Jimmuh would be better off making a deal for Gene Shalit. ;)

325 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:30:32pm

re: #285 ploome hineni

re: #285 ploome hineni

I suggest you research a little more than the NYT for the down and dirty on him. I repeat. He betrayed our country. He sold secrets for money and gems.

326 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:30:57pm

re: #311 DeafDog

Breaking security clearance is abhorant. Period. End of story. You do it, you pay.

Do you think it's ok for security analysts to decide when it's ok to sell national secrets?

I didn't say it was OK; he deserves punishment. I just think he doesn't deserve AS MUCH as the Walkers, etc. I believe he has been held well beyond the term of his plea bargain.

327 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:31:12pm

re: #319 yochanan

comparing dhimmi carter to a sockcucker now you have done it you need to go to linda lovelace and ask for forgiveness.

Well, my goodness. It appears that Yochanan loves to complain when I link to some nude pictures, but, it's certainly ok for him to use cute "metaphors" and make sly comments about blowjobs and Linda Lovelace.

Another case of moral relativism.

328 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:31:25pm

re: #289 ploome hineni

you did not read what I wrote

I read it. I disagree. I repeat. He is a traitor.

329 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:31:36pm

re: #324 FurryOldGuyJeans

Jimmuh would be better off making a deal for Gene Shalit. ;)

I think we should trade him.
More publicity, fewer people that give a shit.

330 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:31:41pm

re: #310 opnion

My point is that no matter who likes it, BHO is going to be Commander in Chief. Rudeness to him will not result in a promotion.

Promotions will be reserved for the friends of Weasely Clark. If I was the skipper and I heard a gripe for that I hope I would stand by my troops insofar as the were polite and have civil rights, I would not buy them a beer individually, I would see to it the Command Top Kick took care of them and let them know they were OK.

331 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:31:54pm
332 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:31:59pm

re: #299 ploome hineni

like the USA does not have spies in Israel? or France or England?

I sure hope we fucking do. And I hope they're smart enough not to get caught. And if I were Israeli, French or British, I'd be doing everything I could to make it hard on them and track them down.

333 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:32:05pm

re: #314 ploome hineni

Israel was legally entitled to this vital security information according to a 1983 Memorandum of Understanding between the two countries.

But Pollard's job description didn't include making decisions about releasing classified information to foreign governments, so the rest of the quote from his website is irrelevant (not to mention self-serving).

334 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:32:09pm

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

Remember what I say a couple of thread ago, Walter? Was I right, or was I right? ;)

335 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:32:11pm

re: #316 Outrider

Do some more research on the damage he did please! Particularly in regards to the releasing of Signal Intelligence data. Somehow.. it ended up in Soviet bloc hands... they took action.

It really was never made clear what he did exactly. I have heard various things but I certainly don't know. But I don't think what Ploomi wrote in 314 is accurate.

336 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:32:25pm
337 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:32:29pm

re: #299 ploome hineni

like the USA does not have spies in Israel? or France or England?

and if they got caught? I thought so.

338 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:32:32pm

of course America spys on Israel. and if i was Israel i would spy on America I would just not use American citizens to do it.

339 MJ  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:32:51pm

More on what Carter wrote:

"In the afternoon Bob, Hrair, and I met with Khaled Mashaal and his fellow Hamas politburo members, all of whom are scientists, medical doctors, or engineers – none trained in religion. It was the anniversary of Hamas' founding, and they were watching Prime Minister Haniya's speech in Gaza to an enormous crowd. We discussed items on my agenda that included an extension of the ceasefire in Gaza, life there under the Israeli sanctions, the Arab peace initiative, reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah, the future of Palestinian leadership and elections in the West Bank and Gaza, and formulas for prisoner exchange to obtain the release of Corporal Shalit. Like the Syrians, they are patient, relatively satisfied with the status quo, and putting all their eggs in Obama's basket. We had to caution them about expecting too much of an immediate change in U.S. Middle East policy."

The only thing not on Carter's agenda were the rockets being lobbed into Israel by Hamas.
I hate Jimmy Carter.
[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

340 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:33:14pm

re: #322 ploome hineni

and accepting a plea which the government then abrogates is ok?

Since there is a legal appeal process, yes, that is ok.

Are you going to start crying for the judicial rights of all the Guantanamo detainees, too? Or is Pollard special just because he was lakey for Israel?

341 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:33:29pm

re: #295 Kosh's Shadow

So you think that passing secret knowledge of OTHER COUNTRIES to an ally, which resulted in no damage to the US, deserves the same sentence as passing secrets about the US to an enemy, resulting in compromised communications, dead agents, etc.?

So I take it you would not have a problem with an Arab American in the defense dept passing secrets to Saudi Arabia or India.

342 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:33:58pm
343 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:34:10pm

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

did i post a pic of it? NO .

344 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:34:19pm

re: #341 bulwrk

So I take it you would not have a problem with an Arab American in the defense dept passing secrets to Saudi Arabia or India.

We already have that...they are called Jihadis.

345 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:34:19pm

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

Well, my goodness. It appears that Yochanan loves to complain when I link to some nude pictures, but, it's certainly ok for him to use cute "metaphors" and make sly comments about blowjobs and Linda Lovelace.

Another case of moral relativism.

What nude pictures? Provide me with links. I need proof.
(How offended would you like me to be?)
... You're not referring to those lame things from last night, are you?

346 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:34:20pm

re: #334 FurryOldGuyJeans

Remember what I say a couple of thread ago, Walter? Was I right, or was I right? ;)

Agree. And it seems like there is a lot of that going on here this afternoon. Must be the holiday season. I suspect in a few weeks everyone will be back on their moral high horses and we can get back to thread policing and snotty assed topic monitoring.

347 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:34:22pm

re: #314 ploome hineni

[Link: www.jonathanpollard.org...]

this article was written by the damn ATTORNEYS attempting to GET HIM OFF!

348 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:35:16pm

re: #343 yochanan

did i post a pic of it? NO .

would you?

349 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:35:18pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Long time, no hear from. Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas to you, too.

Got stuck on a last-minute training mission to Ft Bliss. Came back just in time to freeze my fur off at home...

350 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:35:30pm

re: #331 ploome hineni

I asked these questions in a civil manner

if you find them INCONVENIENT to answer, that is your problem

who on earth is suggesting an argument, except you?

Jews always have a hard time getting security clearance and promotions

I had a hard time because I have been in Israel over 25 times and the Navy ( well DOD really) wanted to know why in great detail. Fine no problem, it just meant a few interviews and dragged the process out. But what Pollard did, wasn't a help and I don't know many Jewish members of the Armed Forces who feel to much sympathy for Pollard.

351 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:35:46pm

re: #116 Nevergiveup

Why bad news?

I want Blanco gone ASAP.

352 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:36:02pm

AND THE PERSON IN SAID PIC WOULD HAVE TO GIVE PERMISSION AS WELL. and you know she didn't.

353 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:36:02pm

re: #343 yochanan

did i post a pic of it? NO .

Like I say, moral relativism. Gee Yochanan, do you actually have to make my point for me a second time? Are you serious or don't you ever look in a mirror for a second.

354 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:36:04pm
355 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:36:14pm

re: #326 Kosh's Shadow

I didn't say it was OK; he deserves punishment. I just think he doesn't deserve AS MUCH as the Walkers, etc. I believe he has been held well beyond the term of his plea bargain.

he received a life sentence with no chance for parole.

356 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:36:29pm

Why does the pic in my #302 look better with IE than it does with Firefox? In firefox it looks a little out of focus.

357 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:36:29pm

re: #348 jwb7605

NO!

358 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:36:37pm

re: #344 FurryOldGuyJeans

And when caught I expect their heads on a silver platter.

359 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:36:58pm

re: #341 bulwrk

So I take it you would not have a problem with an Arab American in the defense dept passing secrets to Saudi Arabia or India.

The penalty should depend on what they transmitted, and what damage they did. As I said, Pollard deserves some punishment; since he accepted the plea deal, that is probably a fair sentence.
Getting the SAME sentence as someone who passed info to the Soviets and compromised our agents and our communications, is like giving the same sentence to someone who stole $100,000 as given to someone who stole $100,000,000.

360 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:37:04pm

re: #352 yochanan

AND THE PERSON IN SAID PIC WOULD HAVE TO GIVE PERMISSION AS WELL. and you know she didn't.

Do you even have a clue as to what moral relativism is?

361 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:37:06pm

re: #351 avanti

I want Blanco gone ASAP.

Why. let them drag it out. Bad for Democrats.

362 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:37:18pm

re: #275 notutopia

Heh, never underestimate us little ole gray haired's...

In all seriousness we have several "little ole gray haired ladies" that have befriended our family. They are a formidable group.

The kids are sad about our adopted "Bubbie" who recently moved to California. It was a good move for her and got her settled in much better circumstances, but we miss her very much. My 9 yo boy was crying at Thanksgiving because she was not at our table for the first time since he was born.

We sent a big box of homemade candies to her new address and that seemed to make his day. I hope it makes hers.

We all have homemade menorahs she helped us make and fire in her kiln. It was quite the sight every year - a big family of Mormons lighting the candles and remembring the miracle in Maccabees, making potato latkes and knoshing on homemade Hamentoshen. (Bubbie joined the LDS Church prior to us meeting her. Her lessons in her heritage opened my eyes to how much Christianity owes its current form to much more ancient roots.)

363 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:37:24pm

re: #326 Kosh's Shadow

I didn't say it was OK; he deserves punishment. I just think he doesn't deserve AS MUCH as the Walkers, etc. I believe he has been held well beyond the term of his plea bargain.


There is a legal appeals process and Israel is lobbying for him. If the guy truly deserves a break, he would have caught one by now.

Lots in his case is still sealed, but his case seems to me to be one of pure greed. He was open to the highest bidder. Let him do his time honorably and God can judge his soul.

364 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:37:30pm

re: #349 lobo91

Merry Christmas to you, too.

Got stuck on a last-minute training mission to Ft Bliss. Came back just in time to freeze my fur off at home...

Well, welcome your cold freezing ass back.

365 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:37:43pm

re: #331 ploome hineni

I asked these questions in a civil manner

if you find them INCONVENIENT to answer, that is your problem

who on earth is suggesting an argument, except you?

Jews always have a hard time getting security clearance and promotions

oh poop. I worked with a few of them and I had a TS/SI with other compartmented accesses.

366 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:37:46pm

re: #355 Outrider

he received a life sentence with no chance for parole.

Yes, I was comparing time currently served with the time of the plea bargain, which the government reneged on.

367 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:38:43pm

re: #347 Outrider

this article was written by the damn ATTORNEYS attempting to GET HIM OFF!

Don't tell me you're implying that they might not be telling the complete, unbiased truth?!

368 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:39:06pm

re: #354 ploome hineni

why do you think it is not accurate?

It just is my understanding that what he did involved other information. But since it has NEVER been made clear what he did and did not do, it is all supposition.

369 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:39:11pm

Could we have separate Flame War threads?

later

370 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:39:48pm

re: #335 Nevergiveup

It really was never made clear what he did exactly. I have heard various things but I certainly don't know. But I don't think what Ploomi wrote in 314 is accurate.

One major item he STOLE was the Radio Signals Notation which was an incredibly classified document relating to the collection of signals intelligence throughout the world. He stole over one million documents in total.

371 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:39:56pm
372 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:40:37pm

POLLARD was guilty as hell, but he also got screwed. Did he do the right thing? hard to say. could he have pointed Israel in the right direction with out breaking the law? HOW WOULD I KNOW.
IF ISRAEL had used a member of its diplomatic corp to spy I would not have a problem with it.

a ship that will not be named was a SPY SHIP.

373 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:41:24pm

re: #360 Walter L. Newton

frankly i could careless at this point. i know i have rubbed some the wrong way live with it

374 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:41:27pm
375 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:41:32pm

re: #352 yochanan

AND THE PERSON IN SAID PIC WOULD HAVE TO GIVE PERMISSION AS WELL. and you know she didn't.

Look, you made comments about blow jobs and Linda Lovelace. I don't care if you posted a picture. Hell, we know what they look like. The point of the matter is you sit on your ass passing judgement on links to pictures of a naked woman, but at the same time you have no problem making jokes about oral sex.

Do you know that Lovelace had admitted that her past career was wrong and she wishes she had never worked in the porn industry.

So, I think you should apologize for making a joke about her. She has given up that life.

376 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:41:58pm

re: #359 Kosh's Shadow

The penalty should depend on what they transmitted, and what damage they did. As I said, Pollard deserves some punishment; since he accepted the plea deal, that is probably a fair sentence.
Getting the SAME sentence as someone who passed info to the Soviets and compromised our agents and our communications, is like giving the same sentence to someone who stole $100,000 as given to someone who stole $100,000,000.

You are arguing for anarchy in the intellegence community.

Wiki

“ Pollard pleaded guilty and therefore never was publicly tried. Thus, the American people never came to know that he offered classified information to three other countries before working for the Israelis and that he offered his services to a fourth country while he was spying for Israel. They also never came to understand that he was being highly paid for his services... ”

377 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:42:42pm

re: #373 yochanan

frankly i could careless at this point. i know i have rubbed some the wrong way live with it

That's right, run away now, since you just talked your way into a corner. Just give it up.

378 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:43:10pm

Paul Begala on CNN just made a libelous statement about "Joe the Plumber."

/par for the course at CNN

379 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:43:30pm

re: #376 DeafDog

You are arguing for anarchy in the intellegence community.

Wiki

“ Pollard pleaded guilty and therefore never was publicly tried. Thus, the American people never came to know that he offered classified information to three other countries before working for the Israelis and that he offered his services to a fourth country while he was spying for Israel. They also never came to understand that he was being highly paid for his services... ”

I have to say I don't trust Wikipedia any more than I trust the site his lawyers wrote.

380 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:43:56pm

re: #372 yochanan

In international waters.

381 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:44:57pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

i reacted to someone elese joke i did not post a pic of it. i draw the line with photo's esp photo's were the person in the photo did not give permission for said post.

i made a joke about a verbal post no more.

382 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:45:19pm

re: #380 bulwrk

In international waters.

Well lets not absolve the Navy for putting that ship in harms way without any protection.

383 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:45:32pm

Wait a minute...

"Emanuel had one or two conversations with Blagojevich and four with Harris on the subject of the Senate seat, according to the review. The report said Obama authorized Emanuel to pass on the names of four people he considered to be highly qualified to take over his seat - Illinois Comptroller Dan Hynes, Illinois Veterans' Affairs Director Tammy Duckworth, Rep. Jan Schakowsky and Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr."

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

I thought Obama said he didn't arthorize anyone on his staff to talk to anyone about the senate seat?

384 faraway  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:45:38pm

True?

Bombshell: Obama, Rahm and Jarrett interrogated by US Attorney office last week

385 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:45:40pm

re: #380 bulwrk

In international waters.

How did you come up with your avatar .. what does it represent?

386 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:45:43pm

re: #380 bulwrk

In international waters.

in the middle of a war at about the same location that a eyptian military ship was sunk.

387 MJ  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:45:49pm

re: #339 MJ

""In the afternoon Bob, Hrair, and I met with Khaled Mashaal and his fellow Hamas politburo members, all of whom are scientists, medical doctors, or engineers ..."

Yeah, such educated men.
Khaled Mashaal is a terrorist.

388 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:46:08pm

re: #371 ploome hineni

To be sure, the espionage statute contemplates no legal distinction between spying for an enemy, which clearly would satisfy the "to the injury of the United States" prong of the law, and spying for an ally; both are theoretically subject to the same penalties. But legal equivalence is not moral equivalence.

You know, when your own lawyer admits that you broke the law, and attempts to argue moral equivalence, you're pretty much screwed.

389 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:46:09pm

re: #336 ploome hineni

I did research

what DO YOU know that you think I do not?

The sheer volume of material stolen from the US Government and tranported outside out control.

The fact he was PAID for his "services" $10,000 and gems up front and $1,500 a month after that.

He had approached South Africa and Pakistan also.

What else?

390 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:46:34pm

re: #381 yochanan

i reacted to someone elese joke i did not post a pic of it. i draw the line with photo's esp photo's were the person in the photo did not give permission for said post. i made a joke about a verbal post no more.

I thought you were over this?

391 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:46:58pm

re: #379 Kosh's Shadow

I have to say I don't trust Wikipedia any more than I trust the site his lawyers wrote.

There are legal appeals processes for the guy and Israel lobbies on his behalf. If he deserved a break, he would have caught one by now. The US legal system is lenient. Since his appeals are denied, it's pretty clear to me that the extent of his treachery was pretty deep.

392 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:47:26pm

re: #385 jwb7605

1st Marine Division

393 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:48:04pm

re: #391 DeafDog

There are legal appeals processes for the guy and Israel lobbies on his behalf. If he deserved a break, he would have caught one by now. The US legal system is lenient. Since his appeals are denied, it's pretty clear to me that the extent of his treachery was pretty deep.

The only thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is Casper Weinbergers involvement. I don't trust him.

394 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:48:11pm

re: #391 DeafDog

There are legal appeals processes for the guy and Israel lobbies on his behalf. If he deserved a break, he would have caught one by now. The US legal system is lenient. Since his appeals are denied, it's pretty clear to me that the extent of his treachery was pretty deep.

His appeals were denied because his lawyer missed a deadline. No further appeals are allowed.
And I haven't heard that Israel is pushing too hard for him.

395 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:49:11pm

re: #394 Kosh's Shadow

His appeals were denied because his lawyer missed a deadline. No further appeals are allowed.
And I haven't heard that Israel is pushing too hard for him.

Bibi did once. When he was PM and at that Whye River thing I think.

396 cherryblossoms  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:49:24pm

Re:#30 rawmuse

What a letter you could write with some of those choices! haha

397 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:49:29pm

re: #381 yochanan

I'll tell you this much. Yesterday, when I apologized to you, Albusteve, Ploome and anyone on the thread that had taken offense to my remarks, I meant it.

But, I don't feel any need to to treat you with care, when you come back her today and prove that you are just being a hypocrite.

As Charles said yesterday, paraphrasing, the public arena is not always civil.

Deal with it yourself.

398 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:49:49pm

re: #342 ploome hineni

exactly

so he PLEAD GUILTY...TO SERVE A SENTENCE

NO TRIAL

AND THE GOVERNMENT RENEGED

WENT BACK ON THEIR WORD

IGNORED THE AGREEMENT AFTER THEY HAD HIS PLEA

he broke the conditions first by giving the press conference with his wife. He also broke the conditions when he published without consent and while in jail an article for the Washington Post claiming he was not a bungler.

What conditions did the US violate? Other than dropping most of the charges they were going to charge him with, which I might add could have resulted in the death sentence.

399 Shug  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:50:03pm
How many open threads can dance on the head of a pin?

White threads can't dance

400 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:50:11pm

re: #382 Nevergiveup

True,I do not believe the attack was intentional and attribute it to the fog of war.

401 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:50:23pm

if you break the law no matter what your motivation you should be prepared for your punishment.

frankly lots of things were wrong about this. from one end to the other.

402 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:50:45pm

re: #395 Nevergiveup

Bibi did once. When he was PM and at that Whye River thing I think.

Tenet threaten to resign if Clinton pardon Pollard. In retrospect, maybe it would have been a good thing to get rid of Tenet?

403 MJ  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:51:04pm

Arabs lavish jewels on Secretary of State Rice

WASHINGTON – President George W. Bush's foreign policies may be unpopular in the Middle East, but Arab leaders showered his top diplomat with jewelry worth far more than a quarter of a million dollars last year.
While Bush himself didn't fare nearly as well, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice raked in at least $316,000 in gem-encrusted baubles from the kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia alone, making her one of top recipients among U.S. officials of gifts from foreign heads of state and government and their aides in 2007.
In January, Jordan's King Abdullah II gave Rice an emerald and diamond necklace, ring, bracelet and earrings estimated to be worth $147,000, according to the State Department's annual inventory of such items released Monday just in time for Christmas.
The king and his wife, Queen Rania, also gave Rice a less expensive necklace and earrings along with a jewelry box valued at $4,630, the document shows...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Between Jimmy Carter sucking off Khaled Mashaal, Bill Clinton accepting bribes from Saudi Arabia, and Condi Rice whoring herself, is there anyone who actually takes American National Interest seriously when it comes to defending us against Arab radicalism?

404 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:51:05pm

re: #395 Nevergiveup

Bibi did once. When he was PM and at that Whye River thing I think.

Yes, but the word here is once - as I said, not too hard.

405 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:51:18pm

re: #392 bulwrk

1st Marine Division

Sweet!
My son is a Marine.
YATYAS.
Sound familiar?

406 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:51:25pm

re: #383 Walter L. Newton

Wait a minute...

"Emanuel had one or two conversations with Blagojevich and four with Harris on the subject of the Senate seat, according to the review. The report said Obama authorized Emanuel to pass on the names of four people he considered to be highly qualified to take over his seat - Illinois Comptroller Dan Hynes, Illinois Veterans' Affairs Director Tammy Duckworth, Rep. Jan Schakowsky and Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr."

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

I thought Obama said he didn't arthorize anyone on his staff to talk to anyone about the senate seat?

All that really matters is that Our Messiah-King has absolved Himself from any wrong doing. Anyone else is fair game if they threaten His reign.

407 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:51:36pm

re: #366 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, I was comparing time currently served with the time of the plea bargain, which the government reneged on.

see my 398

408 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:52:02pm
409 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:52:09pm

re: #67 yma o hyd

Merry Christmas, Lizards!

This is my favourite Christmas Card - thought you'd all deserve to have it as well!

I am a big fan of Jacquie Lawson! thanks!

410 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:52:32pm

re: #368 Nevergiveup

It just is my understanding that what he did involved other information. But since it has NEVER been made clear what he did and did not do, it is all supposition.

it is a matter of record exactly what was disclosed. ;-)>

411 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:52:36pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

L

Do you know that Lovelace had admitted that her past career was wrong and she wishes she had never worked in the porn industry.

So, I think you should apologize for making a joke about her. She has given up that life.


Excuse my skepticism, but that is known as the "Linda syndrome" , porn stars that repudiate their career once they are to old to work in it. She is not the only one to do so.
Look for Hefner to stop sleeping with young women once the Viagra stops working.

412 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:52:50pm
413 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:53:21pm

re: #86 opnion

My problem is, he does not rate a salute & will not until he is sworn in.

No, but if you're familiar with military customs and courtesies, you know that the junior salutes the senior, who then returns the salute. So he properly saluted the Marines, who returned it as courtesy requires. ::big grin::

414 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:53:22pm

re: #404 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, but the word here is once - as I said, not too hard.

I am not so sure about that. Inquiries have been made repeatedly but when it is an unpopular subject with your biggest, strongest, and sometimes only supporter in the world, you don't have to much leverage?

415 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:53:38pm

re: #403 MJ

Arabs lavish jewels on Secretary of State Rice

WASHINGTON – President George W. Bush's foreign policies may be unpopular in the Middle East, but Arab leaders showered his top diplomat with jewelry worth far more than a quarter of a million dollars last year.
While Bush himself didn't fare nearly as well, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice raked in at least $316,000 in gem-encrusted baubles from the kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia alone, making her one of top recipients among U.S. officials of gifts from foreign heads of state and government and their aides in 2007.
In January, Jordan's King Abdullah II gave Rice an emerald and diamond necklace, ring, bracelet and earrings estimated to be worth $147,000, according to the State Department's annual inventory of such items released Monday just in time for Christmas.
The king and his wife, Queen Rania, also gave Rice a less expensive necklace and earrings along with a jewelry box valued at $4,630, the document shows...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Between Jimmy Carter sucking off Khaled Mashaal, Bill Clinton accepting bribes from Saudi Arabia, and Condi Rice whoring herself, is there anyone who actually takes American National Interest seriously when it comes to defending us against Arab radicalism?

And your point is? None of these gift were kept by the recipients, and there is a BIG difference between someone paying a person for speaking engagement after speaking engagement, after you have served your term (ala Clinton) versus state to state gifts which is a tradition as old as this country.

I don't see the point you are trying to make.

416 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:54:08pm

re: #394 Kosh's Shadow

His appeals were denied because his lawyer missed a deadline. No further appeals are allowed.

Which is a convenient fallback for a judge in such a case. A judge will look at the evidence. Evaluate that the guy is guilty as hell. And deny the request on a technicality.

And I haven't heard that Israel is pushing too hard for him.

Ask yourself why that is. If the guy was a true patriot and did no harm, wouldn't Israel be much more public about it?

417 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:54:34pm

re: #410 Outrider

it is a matter of record exactly what was disclosed. ;-)>

Well as I said I have no sympathy for him.

418 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:54:37pm

re: #372 yochanan

POLLARD was guilty as hell, but he also got screwed. Did he do the right thing? hard to say. could he have pointed Israel in the right direction with out breaking the law? HOW WOULD I KNOW.
IF ISRAEL had used a member of its diplomatic corp to spy I would not have a problem with it.

a ship that will not be named was a SPY SHIP.

and was shot up with many resulting deaths. That isn't the issue as they were where they were not supposed to be involving themselves in something they were not supposed to be getting involved with.

419 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:55:08pm

re: #356 Killgore Trout

Why does the pic in my #302 look better with IE than it does with Firefox? In firefox it looks a little out of focus.

Looks good in IE - have you posted the hummingbirds?

420 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:55:11pm

I will admit to hypocracy when it comes to crude humor but the potential addiction to and abuse that goes into creating pornographic images is not nearly as benign.

Having said that I hope this can be let go...

As dear old dad says: People in pi**ing contests only end up with wet shoes.

421 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:55:48pm

re: #405 jwb7605


LVT guy.

422 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:55:50pm

re: #403 MJ

Between Jimmy Carter sucking off Khaled Mashaal, Bill Clinton accepting bribes from Saudi Arabia, and Condi Rice whoring herself, is there anyone who actually takes American National Interest seriously when it comes to defending us against Arab radicalism?

You are aware, I hope, that gifts given to current officials of our government by foreign leaders become the property of the US government?

I'd hardly put that in the same class as Carter's or Clinton's antics.

423 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:56:01pm

re: #412 ploome hineni

Now your arguing an insanity defense?

424 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:56:44pm

re: #379 Kosh's Shadow

I have to say I don't trust Wikipedia any more than I trust the site his lawyers wrote.

in this case. check out the references used ex to anything you doubt. The vast majority of the article was written by people involved.

425 faraway  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:56:50pm

Foreign Corrupt Practices Act stopped gifts

426 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:57:11pm

re: #416 DeafDog

Which is a convenient fallback for a judge in such a case. A judge will look at the evidence. Evaluate that the guy is guilty as hell. And deny the request on a technicality.

And I haven't heard that Israel is pushing too hard for him.

Ask yourself why that is. If the guy was a true patriot and did no harm, wouldn't Israel be much more public about it?

Well Israel was caught between a rock and a hard place. And his Israeli handlers were jerks also. All the Public pushes for any leniency for Pollard back fired. It should have been done in only in back channels or not at all.

427 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:58:08pm

Rep. Jan Schakowsky and Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr." Jan S. husband was convicted of bank and tax fraud and who knows what JJJ is guilty of. but the local MSM will never remind the voters of the conviction of jan's hubby his punishment was house arrest. I wonder if a republican would have gotten that.

428 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:58:36pm

re: #421 bulwrk

LVT guy.

I was Navy (did you know John Kerry was in VietNam?)
My son just went on a cruise -- is either back, or will be in a few days.
Kept getting e-mail horror stories about how boring it was at sea, and questions on how I could stand it.

I have no idea where I went wrong ...

429 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 2:59:07pm

re: #356 Killgore Trout

Why does the pic in my #302 look better with IE than it does with Firefox? In firefox it looks a little out of focus.

My Firefox 2.0.0.20 does automatic scaling of pictures if they are too big to fit on the page; that might be why it doesn't look so good. If the pointer is a magnifying glass when over the pic FF scaled it.

430 MJ  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:00:01pm

re: #415 Walter L. Newton

And your point is? None of these gift were kept by the recipients, and there is a BIG difference between someone paying a person for speaking engagement after speaking engagement, after you have served your term (ala Clinton) versus state to state gifts which is a tradition as old as this country.

I don't see the point you are trying to make.

These "gifts" are made with the expectation that something will be returned in exchange.
Doesn't matter if they keep them or not. The expectation is still there otherwise they would give minor gifts whose value nominal. They could just as easily exchange books as expensive jewelry.

431 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:00:06pm

re: #428 jwb7605

I was Navy (did you know John Kerry was in VietNam?)
My son just went on a cruise -- is either back, or will be in a few days.
Kept getting e-mail horror stories about how boring it was at sea, and questions on how I could stand it.

I have no idea where I went wrong ...

And don't forget Lt. Kerry single handily defeated the enemy in Cambodia?
/

432 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:00:11pm

re: #420 DaddyG

I will admit to hypocracy when it comes to crude humor but the potential addiction to and abuse that goes into creating pornographic images is not nearly as benign.

Having said that I hope this can be let go...

As dear old dad says: People in pi**ing contests only end up with wet shoes.

What the fuck are you talking about? Now you got this to the level of "pornographic addiction."

I don't know if you are referring to me, but I don't even have a single salacious image of a naked woman or man on my computer, nor do I frequent sites that cater to that sort of "entertainment."

And on top of that, the images of Dr. Laura where not pornographic. They were snapped by her boyfriend while she was cheating on her husband. They were nothing anymore than you would have found in a nudist magazine in the 50's.

Where are you going to take this next?

433 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:00:16pm

re: #428 jwb7605

During wartime, boring is good.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:00:42pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

Hi Walter.

435 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:00:56pm

re: #412 ploome hineni

Alan Dershowitz has defended Pollard (in the past anyway)...(i also suspect that Pollard is cuckoo by now -- that's due to the original prison he was sent to, and the continuous solitary confinement...)

436 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:01:21pm

re: #428 jwb7605

I was Navy (did you know John Kerry was in VietNam?)
...

Yes, and Rear Admiral Zumwalt had him shipped back to the US after a mere six months because according to R.A. Zumwalt, Lt. John Kerry was a greater danger to his own men then the Vietcong were.

437 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:01:36pm

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hi Walter.

So, you got a problem?

438 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:01:42pm

re: #426 Nevergiveup

Well Israel was caught between a rock and a hard place. And his Israeli handlers were jerks also. All the Public pushes for any leniency for Pollard back fired. It should have been done in only in back channels or not at all.

Yeah, Israel was caught red-handed stealing from the USA. That's a pretty tough spot to be in, and they should never have done it. Absolute stupidity.

Pollard - a US citizen with a security clearance - was their lackey. Pollard got what he deserved.

If Israel ever gets caught pulling that shit to the US again, they will be on their own.

439 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:01:49pm

re: #433 rawmuse

During wartime, boring is good.

I discovered that on my second cruise.

440 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:02:05pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

i did not know she did repentance so in that case i should have used another example
you win that one on a technicality but that does not mean the first pics were OK they were and still are wrong

441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:02:41pm

re: #437 Walter L. Newton

Got any porn?

442 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:02:57pm

re: #440 yochanan

My, you backpedal nicely.

443 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:03:18pm

re: #441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Got any porn?

You want some?

444 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:05pm

re: #428 jwb7605

lol they let you above deck,you Navy guys kept use in the bowls of the ship were we couldn't break anything expensive.

445 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:17pm

re: #436 doriangrey

Yes, and Rear Admiral Zumwalt had him shipped back to the US after a mere six months because according to R.A. Zumwalt, Lt. John Kerry was a greater danger to his own men then the Vietcong were.

I did not know that. (upding, though).
What I do remember was that our Admiral Morrrison would not allow music by the Doors to be played.
I found that strange, because Crosby/Stills/Nash and similar groups were just fine with him.

446 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:22pm

re: #429 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ah, thanks.

447 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:25pm

re: #430 MJ

These "gifts" are made with the expectation that something will be returned in exchange.
Doesn't matter if they keep them or not. The expectation is still there otherwise they would give minor gifts whose value nominal. They could just as easily exchange books as expensive jewelry.

Why would anyone give something in return for a gift that both parties know the receiver doesn't get to keep? That's actually the whole point of the law barring officials from keeping valuable gifts, in case you hadn't figured it out.

Sorry, but your assertion makes no sense.

448 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:25pm

re: #440 yochanan

i did not know she did repentance so in that case i should have used another example
you win that one on a technicality but that does not mean the first pics were OK they were and still are wrong

Do you spend you're whole life splitting hairs? It must be a tedious profession.

449 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:54pm
450 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:06:04pm

re: #443 FurryOldGuyJeans

You want some?

Everybody wants some.

451 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:06:13pm

re: #446 Killgore Trout

Ah, thanks.

Did that "solve" the problem?

452 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:06:37pm

re: #441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Got any porn?

I really don't. I have a pretty healthy sex life, being single, even at the age of 56 (well, 56 tomorrow). Porn doesn't do much for me, unless I making it.

453 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:06:41pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck are you talking about? Now you got this to the level of "pornographic addiction."

I don't know if you are referring to me, but I don't even have a single salacious image of a naked woman or man on my computer, nor do I frequent sites that cater to that sort of "entertainment."

And on top of that, the images of Dr. Laura where not pornographic. They were snapped by her boyfriend while she was cheating on her husband. They were nothing anymore than you would have found in a nudist magazine in the 50's.

Where are you going to take this next?

Please let me clarify. I was saying that posting nude images is more offensive or shocking to some people than crude humor because images are potential triggers to those who are addicted. What goes into producing those images is also harmful to real flesh and blood human beings. That is where I sympathized with Yochanon's position.

I said nothing of your being addicted, et al. I didn't even come close to implying that. If that was the impression I gave I apologize.

However, you are coming across pretty strong. I will back out of this - I shouldn't have commented in the first place as a third party to the argument. My bad.

454 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:07:45pm

i don't trust the coming obama regime on it's position on the Mideast and Israel Israel has to gather intell. just use your own citizens. only a fool thinks that we don't spy on our friends.

455 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:07:52pm

re: #419 debutaunt

No hummingbirds yet, the little buggers are quick. I tried to catch one here but he didn't show up.

456 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:08:16pm

re: #444 bulwrk

lol they let you above deck,you Navy guys kept use in the bowls of the ship were we couldn't break anything expensive.

"let me above the deck".
I was a plane captain. It was my job to make sure the expensive stuff wasn't broken, because the pilot got to do that part.
The guys you refer to came up once a month to worship the bright orb-thing up in the sky.

Marines used to host trap shoots off the fantail once a week. They also shot sharks during garbage dump time.

457 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:08:35pm

re: #453 DaddyG

This is an on-going personal feud since at least yesterday...wise move retreating.

458 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:08:52pm

re: #448 Walter L. Newton

and you seem to spend your time being a tic on my touckas

459 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:08:56pm

re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans

It doesn't really solve the problem but it explains it. In the future I'll just resize pics more carefully.

460 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:09:02pm

re: #431 Nevergiveup

And don't forget Lt. Kerry single handily defeated the enemy in Cambodia?
/

what a stud! What a stud! heh heh... where is TFK? lol

461 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:09:05pm

re: #330 lifeofthemind

Promotions will be reserved for the friends of Weasely Clark. If I was the skipper and I heard a gripe for that I hope I would stand by my troops insofar as the were polite and have civil rights, I would not buy them a beer individually, I would see to it the Command Top Kick took care of them and let them know they were OK.

OK, that is the scenario if yo were the CO, until it got bad press ypou got a call from the Commandant. As far as troops having Civil Rights , I would refer you to the UCMJ. They do not enjoy teh same rights that we do, they just defend them. As henious as it is, Obama is weeks away from becoming Commander & Chief. The military has to coexist with a guy who has little use for them.

462 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:09:15pm

re: #456 jwb7605

"let me above the deck".
I was a plane captain. It was my job to make sure the expensive stuff wasn't broken, because the pilot got to do that part.
The guys you refer to came up once a month to worship the bright orb-thing up in the sky.

Marines used to host trap shoots off the fantail once a week. They also shot sharks during garbage dump time.

And were was green peace?

463 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:09:32pm

re: #457 FurryOldGuyJeans

This is an on-going personal feud since at least yesterday...wise move retreating.

Would've been wiser for me to STFU and stay out of it... mumble. Damn advice giving will get you every time.

464 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:09:42pm

re: #452 Walter L. Newton

I really don't. I have a pretty healthy sex life, being single, even at the age of 56 (well, 56 tomorrow).

Happy (early) birthday!

I'll be 48 on Thursday, myself.

465 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:11:26pm

re: #438 DeafDog

Yeah, Israel was caught red-handed stealing from the USA. That's a pretty tough spot to be in, and they should never have done it. Absolute stupidity.

Pollard - a US citizen with a security clearance - was their lackey. Pollard got what he deserved.

If Israel ever gets caught pulling that shit to the US again, they will be on their own.

Israel only accepted what they were offered. It would be entirely different if they had solicited Pollard as an agent, They didn't.

466 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:12:01pm

re: #462 Nevergiveup

And were was green peace?

Getting their college degrees.
See my post in the previous thread.

467 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:12:03pm

re: #459 Killgore Trout

It doesn't really solve the problem but it explains it. In the future I'll just resize pics more carefully.

If you get the Firefox magnifying glass just click the picture and it get resized to 100%. Click and again and it is reduced back to client area filling size. Just look at the center of the magnifying glass for a + or - to see which resizing it has already done, or at the title area of the FF window to see if the pic has been scaled.

468 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:12:30pm

re: #461 opnion

As henious as it is, Obama is weeks away from becoming Commander & Chief. The military has to coexist with a guy who has little use for them.

Ugh. Did you have to remind me that his picture's going to be up in the hallway?

I was trying to enjoy the holiday season...

470 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:13:20pm

re: #449 ploome hineni

looky here doggy

Pollard was guilty...he and the government reached a plea agreement regarding sentencing

happens every day

he pled, the gov't said fuck you

in passing, YOU quoted the iki article, which contains descriptions of Pollard...BY HIS SUPERIORS, AS UNBALANCED

I am not arguing any defense...he pled guilty and is serving a sentence

it is the sentence that is excessive

Where do you get the government said F you? He violated the conditions TWICE! And you will find almost all of the traitors get life sentences.

471 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:13:47pm

re: #463 DaddyG

Would've been wiser for me to STFU and stay out of it... mumble. Damn advice giving will get you every time.

Hasn't stopped me from sticking my nose into things here in the past. I learned to beat a hasty retreat when there is a clash of two or more humongous egos going on.

472 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:15:13pm

re: #461 opnion

Our Messiah-King will have just as much to do with the military as Mr. Clinton did. Look for an expanded meals-on-wheels style intervention in the near future or an all-out invasion of Pakistan.

473 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:15:29pm

re: #469 doriangrey

Skip to comments.
Setting Straight Kerry’s War Record (Admiral Zumwalt on Kerry)
New York Sun ^ | February 27, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 7:43:00 AM by Clodia Pulcher

"Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’"

(Excerpt) Read more at daily.nysun.com ...

How I managed to miss that as a member of a group that now has it's own verb escapes me.
NYSun was the only paper that ever printed stuff like that, too!

474 MJ  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:16:31pm

re: #447 lobo91

Why would anyone give something in return for a gift that both parties know the receiver doesn't get to keep? That's actually the whole point of the law barring officials from keeping valuable gifts, in case you hadn't figured it out.

Sorry, but your assertion makes no sense.

Your assertion makes zero sense my friend. Why give a very expensive gift if they didn't expect something in return? You think because she doesn't get to keep it today means that she won't be offered the same thing after she leaves office?
You are being naive.

475 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:17:34pm

re: #471 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hasn't stopped me from sticking my nose into things here in the past. I learned to beat a hasty retreat when there is a clash of two or more humongous egos going on.

Are you saying I have a humongous ego! }:-p

/kidding

476 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:18:01pm

re: #468 lobo91

Ugh. Did you have to remind me that his picture's going to be up in the hallway?

I was trying to enjoy the holiday season...

Don't look , it will burn your eyes.

477 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:18:16pm

re: #474 MJ

Your assertion makes zero sense my friend. Why give a very expensive gift if they didn't expect something in return? You think because she doesn't get to keep it today means that she won't be offered the same thing after she leaves office?
You are being naive.

Proof pleas. Link please. Right now you are making this up as far as I'm concerned.

478 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:18:36pm

this is the 2nd time today i have heard the "D" word mentioned on the radio.
something like "the collapse is reminiscent of the great depression"
it sure went from a fine economy to a recession to a 'depression' kind of fast.
is anyone else hearing the "D" word.

479 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:18:48pm

re: #475 DaddyG

Are you saying I have a humongous ego! }:-p

/kidding

If the shoe fits just don't throw it. ;)

/ How can I know what others are meaning when I don't know what I mean?

480 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:01pm

re: #362 DaddyG
Ay, your whole family is now much for the wiser from your
friend " Bubbie" and I am positive she misses you and yours right now, as much as you miss her.
I think you have just best described this sharing and caring Holiday Season!
Bless you and your family with warmth and love!
Happy Channukah! and Merry Christmas!

481 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:40pm

re: #474 MJ

Your assertion makes zero sense my friend. Why give a very expensive gift if they didn't expect something in return? You think because she doesn't get to keep it today means that she won't be offered the same thing after she leaves office?
You are being naive.

You have any facts to back up your assertions you just made? Or are they just opinion?

482 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:54pm

re: #472 FurryOldGuyJeans

Our Messiah-King will have just as much to do with the military as Mr. Clinton did. Look for an expanded meals-on-wheels style intervention in the near future or an all-out invasion of Pakistan.

I fear that you have nailed it. He will misuse the military & the Libs wil;l cheer him on.

483 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:36pm

re: #478 nyc redneck

this is the 2nd time today i have heard the "D" word mentioned on the radio.
something like "the collapse is reminiscent of the great depression"
it sure went from a fine economy to a recession to a 'depression' kind of fast.
is anyone else hearing the "D" word.

wouldn't know it from the size of the check out lines.

484 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:50pm

re: #478 nyc redneck

this is the 2nd time today i have heard the "D" word mentioned on the radio.
something like "the collapse is reminiscent of the great depression"
it sure went from a fine economy to a recession to a 'depression' kind of fast.
is anyone else hearing the "D" word.

I have been hearing it for a number of weeks now, growing in strength and number since 4 November 2008.

485 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:21:05pm

re: #480 notutopia

Ay, your whole family is now much for the wiser from your
friend " Bubbie" and I am positive she misses you and yours right now, as much as you miss her.
I think you have just best described this sharing and caring Holiday Season!
Bless you and your family with warmth and love!
Happy Channukah! and Merry Christmas!

You and yours too!

486 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:22:20pm

re: #482 opnion

I fear that you have nailed it. He will misuse the military & the Libs wil;l cheer him on.

Only if He doesn't do anything that is actually effective in keeping America and Americans safe, that is. He does that and the Left will turn on Him like they did on LBJ.

487 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:22:36pm

re: #468 lobo91

Ugh. Did you have to remind me that his picture's going to be up in the hallway?

Practice there words. "I think he is an unbelievable President."

Insult or respectful? Only you know for sure. ;-)

488 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:23:38pm

re: #478 nyc redneck

this is the 2nd time today i have heard the "D" word mentioned on the radio.
something like "the collapse is reminiscent of the great depression"
it sure went from a fine economy to a recession to a 'depression' kind of fast.
is anyone else hearing the "D" word.

...all over the freaking place. I think they are teeing up the justification for the O's big domestic spending plans.

I was at the mall Saturday with my eldest daughter to pick up a present for mom. When I can do that without risk of being crushed by a stampede of soccer moms and pubescent teenage girls I will concede more serious economic problems.

489 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:24:09pm

re: #436 doriangrey

Yes, and Rear Admiral Zumwalt had him shipped back to the US after a mere six months because according to R.A. Zumwalt, Lt. John Kerry was a greater danger to his own men then the Vietcong were.

Please link to that statement from the Admiral, not from his son nor the swift boat guys speculation. Zumwalt defended Kerry in 1996 and there is this.

"Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam, personally selected the Silver Star award for Kerry and personally pinned the Silver Star on Kerry's chest at a ceremony at our Coastal Division 11 base in An Thoi, South Vietnam just days after the action. A decoration, like every other award for heroism, that was recommended by his Division Officer and endorsed by then Captain Roy L. Hoffmann. According to Zumwalt, he actually wanted to give Kerry an even higher award, the Navy Cross, but decided upon a Silver Star because he wished to make the award as expeditiously as possible. These points were publicly reiterated by Admiral Zumwalt in 1996, in defense of Kerry's military record."

490 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:24:47pm

re: #487 Silhouette

Practice there words. "I think he is an unbelievable President."

Insult or respectful? Only you know for sure. ;-)

Fortunately, I'm already an E-9, so I don't have to kiss up to anyone anymore.

And besides, I'd be amazed if more than about three people in my unit voted for him, anyway.

491 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:24:58pm

re: #478 nyc redneck

Yes. CNN has repeatedly used the "D" word -- especially with regard to a report on the declining value of homes ("blah, blah blah percentage of Americans now hold mortgages in excess of the value of their homes, something not seen since the "D", etc." not a direct quote there, but that's what's being reported.)

492 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:25:52pm

an interesting facet of this Pollard argument is he was spying for a friendly country so it is less damaging? That may go for moral arguments but holds no water legally.

If I go an commit an armed bank robbery and donate all $25,000 to a local children's charity, I am still guilty of armed robbery and numerous other charges. The judge may or may not consider the final recipient (the charity) as a mitigating factor but is not legally obligated to do so.

493 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:26:43pm

re: #491 J.S.

Yes. CNN has repeatedly used the "D" word -- especially with regard to a report on the declining value of homes ("blah, blah blah percentage of Americans now hold mortgages in excess of the value of their homes, something not seen since the "D", etc." not a direct quote there, but that's what's being reported.)

Talking heads with degrees in journalism trying to explain complex economic ideas. Tragic and gut-busting funny at the same time.

494 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:27:20pm

re: #484 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have been hearing it for a number of weeks now, growing in strength and number since 4 November 2008.

bet you dollars to doughnuts any mention of "depression" ends in a couple of months and the economy is reported as drastically improving. Just my opinion on the media and these reports.

495 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:16pm

re: #493 FurryOldGuyJeans

Talking heads with degrees in journalism trying to explain complex economic ideas. Tragic and gut-busting funny at the same time.

Almost as amusing as listening to members of Congress doing the same thing.

On second thought, maybe that's not so amusing...

496 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:26pm
497 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:29:39pm

re: #496 ploome hineni

what's an E9?

The highest enlisted pay grade in the US military. In my case, a Sergeant Major.

498 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:31:26pm

re: #494 Outrider

bet you dollars to doughnuts any mention of "depression" ends in a couple of months and the economy is reported as drastically improving. Just my opinion on the media and these reports.

I expect to hear it even longer as long as the FMSM, the Dem-controlled Congress, and Our Messiah-King can convince enough people it is still the fault of the previous administration. The minute people stop seeing the clothes on the Emperor is when they all get real serious about trumpeting how good things are no matter the reality on the ground.

499 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:49pm

re: #495 lobo91

Almost as amusing as listening to members of Congress doing the same thing.

On second thought, maybe that's not so amusing...

The FMSM can only talk about things, Congress gets to actually do things. Infinitely worse in my opinion, Congress doing.

500 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:52pm

re: #497 lobo91

The highest enlisted pay grade in the US military. In my case, a Sergeant Major.

Did the Christmas party shake out ok?

501 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:33:48pm

re: #492 Outrider

Sooo, the U.S. spies on Israel, and Israel discovers it, and so decides to put the American spy into jail -- and give the spy a life sentence. yeah, all right..

502 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:35:24pm

re: #500 Walter L. Newton

Did the Christmas party shake out ok?

Yeah, we got lucky and were able to piggyback onto the menu that a much larger gathering was having in an adjacent room, so it ended up being pretty reasonable. We ended up having it at the Hyatt down at the Tech Center.

503 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:36:03pm
504 talon_262  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:36:03pm

re: #245 NelsFree

Tina Fey has been proclaimed "America's Sweetheart"

[Link: extratv.warnerbros.com...]

I propose a contest for "LGF Sweetheart". Contestants include:

Sharmuta
MandyManners
Any Other Lizard of the Female Persuasion

Contestants are requested to submit a photo or provide a link of a photo to the LGF Sweetheart Contest thread, which Charles will have to start once everyone reads this. A panel of four judges shall be nominated by Charles, except me, because I thought of it. Charles will be the tiebreaker.
Contestants shall write an essay of between 200 and 500 words describing how best to return America to Traditional Conservtive Values. Bonus points for a great apple pie recipe. Entries must be complete by 31 January 2009, with results released on or about 14 February 2009.
Oh, prizes. What do you think we should have besides the honor and glory stuff?

Pictures...we must have pictures of the contestants!

;-P

505 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:36:12pm

re: #493 FurryOldGuyJeans

And, then, there's Biden (Biden's been using the "D" word too)...

506 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:39:11pm

re: #505 J.S.

And, then, there's Biden (Biden's been using the "D" word too)...

Just listening to Biden brings on the "D" word, depressing! ;)

507 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:39:22pm

re: #486 FurryOldGuyJeans

Only if He doesn't do anything that is actually effective in keeping America and Americans safe, that is. He does that and the Left will turn on Him like they did on LBJ.

i remember when the left called LBJ a nazi

508 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:44:05pm

re: #498 FurryOldGuyJeans

I expect to hear it even longer as long as the FMSM, the Dem-controlled Congress, and Our Messiah-King can convince enough people it is still the fault of the previous administration. The minute people stop seeing the clothes on the Emperor is when they all get real serious about trumpeting how good things are no matter the reality on the ground.

probably correct. ;-/>

509 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:44:30pm

re: #473 jwb7605

How I managed to miss that as a member of a group that now has it's own verb escapes me.
NYSun was the only paper that ever printed stuff like that, too!

The NY Sun archives are gone now. They saved nothing. I once asked Seth Lipsky to see if PJM could save the archives and add the web presence but he just shook his head.

510 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:44:54pm

re: #501 J.S.

Sooo, the U.S. spies on Israel, and Israel discovers it, and so decides to put the American spy into jail -- and give the spy a life sentence. yeah, all right..

what? Where does this come from?

511 talon_262  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:45:59pm

re: #378 J.S.

Paul Begala on CNN just made a libelous statement about "Joe the Plumber."

/par for the course at CNN

Is it really surprising that "The Forehead" would trash a conservative of any stripe?

512 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:46:44pm

re: #507 yochanan

i remember when the left called LBJ a nazi

So do I, but for a time he was respected because he took office after JFK. That feeling certainly didn't last.

513 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:46:59pm

Sergeant Major of the Army Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
E-9 Command Sergeant Major

Sergeant Major

514 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:48:27pm

re: #513 yochanan

Are you calling for reinforcements?

515 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:50:42pm

re: #501 J.S.

If Israel caught an Israeli citizen spying for the U.S. I have no doubt they would put him away for a long time,as they should.

516 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:10pm

re: #514 lobo91

Are you calling for reinforcements?

lately i could use some

517 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:52pm

re: #515 bulwrk

usually when diplomats get caught spying they just get expelled

518 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:52:22pm

re: #511 talon_262

"The Forehead" -- lol -- (oh, I guess, technically speaking, Begala slandered Joe the Plumber...and, o yeah, while slandering Joe the Plumber, The Forehead was defending CNN's "journalistic integrity.." watching CNN is a laugh a minute...)

519 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:53:39pm

re: #517 yochanan

Yes,but besides immunity agreements diplomats are not citizens of the country where they are serving.

520 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:54:14pm

re: #513 yochanan

Sergeant Major of the Army Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
E-9 Command Sergeant Major

Sergeant Major

and to further complicate it--- Staff Sergeant major or Command Sergeant Major. (CSM)
Battalion CSM, Brigade CSM, Division CSM, Corps CSM, Army CSM and some other Command Sergeants Major tossed in various other units falling in between these organizations but variously named, such as Squadron CSM or Hospital Command CSM.
Then some of those higher elements would have staffs and have a Staff Sergeant Major running the day to day operations of that shop.
Gotta love it! lol

521 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:54:35pm

re: #514 lobo91

well you could shot for Sergeant Major of the Army but i think there is only one of those.

522 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:54:50pm

re: #515 bulwrk

If Israel caught an Israeli citizen spying for the U.S. I have no doubt they would put him away for a long time,as they should.

cost of doing business. certain jobs or occupations run inherent risks.

523 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:55:33pm

re: #520 Outrider

my father was a e-8 but then i think with his MOS that is as high as he could get.

524 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:55:34pm

re: #518 J.S.

"The Forehead" -- lol -- (oh, I guess, technically speaking, Begala slandered Joe the Plumber...and, o yeah, while slandering Joe the Plumber, The Forehead was defending CNN's "journalistic integrity.." watching CNN is a laugh a minute...)

First of all, CNN has no "journalistic integrity."

And if they did, I don't see how having a non-journalist like Paul Begala "defending" it does them much good.

525 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:55:38pm

re: #520 Outrider

Give me the Navy any day...it is just Master Chief there. ;)

526 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:56:14pm

re: #521 yochanan

well you could shot for Sergeant Major of the Army but i think there is only one of those.

yup and he has to be an Infantryman by MOS (military occupational skill) with a lot of other CSM assignments along the way.

527 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:56:22pm

re: #518 J.S.

"The Forehead" -- lol -- (oh, I guess, technically speaking, Begala slandered Joe the Plumber...and, o yeah, while slandering Joe the Plumber, The Forehead was defending CNN's "journalistic integrity.." watching CNN is a laugh a minute...)

Journalistic Integrity and CNN...textbook definition of oxymoron if I ever saw one.

528 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:58:34pm

re: #523 yochanan

my father was a e-8 but then i think with his MOS that is as high as he could get.

all MOSs when they reach that point usually merge into a consolidated MOS for them to reach E9. For example most of the signal intell MOSs merge into one called 98Z (Senior Intell Chief) when pay grade E8 is attained.

Of course, the normal disclaimer, I retired in 93 and things may have changed a little. The Sergeant Major up above will know for sure.

529 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:59:25pm

re: #521 yochanan

well you could shot for Sergeant Major of the Army but i think there is only one of those.

There is, and it's an appointed position (not technically a different pay grade, although they do get paid extra). Besides, I'm USAR, not AC, so I don't think I'm eligible. All we have is a CSM.

Anyway, I have no particular interest in a CSM position, since it just means more work for the same money.

530 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:59:46pm

re: #525 FurryOldGuyJeans

Give me the Navy any day...it is just Master Chief there. ;)

I hate to say it, I never could figure out many of them Navy ranks and ratings. I've even saluted some of them because them silly khaki things looked like officers. (sheepish) lol

531 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:59:54pm

is the use of the "D" word to demoralize us? and do a 'sky is falling routine' so that anything the O does ,will look good.
like a miraculous improvement.
we are being swindled.

532 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:22pm

re: #524 lobo91

Well, exactly. Having a Paul Begala (clearly Begala was pretending to have been "outraged" by a suggestion that CNN was a Leftist-leaning media outlet) "defend" CNN (while simultaneously slandering Joe) does damage to CNN (imo)...although watching Begala's meltdown is unintentionally hilarious..

533 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:40pm

my earliest memory was when my father was stationed 3 k. from the border of east Germany when the mp;'s came to the part of the base were the Dependants were living and told us we had 15 mins to pack one bag and get on the bus to bremerhaven. seems the soviets were having a little problem with one of there puppet states and they were worried that they would attack the west to take off the pressure on the Hungarian commies.

534 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:41pm

re: #522 Outrider

Yep,I really don't see what the argument is here.The reason the law is ambiguous about the difference between friendly and hostile nations is because alliances change.

535 Doctor Bulldog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:01:33pm

How many open threads can fit on the head of a pin... Hmmm... About 5x10^12 hydrogen atoms fit on the head of an average size pin, so if we are using an open thread (string) theory, then we might be able to deduce this:

The average size of a string should be somewhere near the length scale of quantum gravity (if string theory is to be a theory of quantum gravity).

So, that puts us at the Planck length of about 1X10^-33 centimeters.

Which would also put the length of a thread (string) at one Planck length; 1x10^-33 cm. Unfortunately, I am unable to calculate the width of a thread. However, if we consider the possibility that a thread vibrates, rotates, tumbles, and spins in all directions along a central point of axis, then we can assume it occupies a spherical shape; so, the width of the thread is unimportant in our calculation.

Now, the diameter of a hydrogen atom is about 1x10^-8 centimeters. So, how many strings would fit in a hydrogen atom? We can get a rough idea by using a little math:

# of threads in the diameter of a Hydrogen Atom = (1x10^-8) / (1x10^-33) = 1x10^25

So, now we need to calculate the thread volume of the Hydrogen Atom:

Thread Volume of H atom = (pi x d^3)/6 = (3.14159265 x (1x10^25)^3)/6 = (3.14159265 x 1x10^78)/6 = 3.14159265x10^78/6 =

5.23598775x10^77

That is to say, there are 5.23598775x10^77 threads in an atom (that is, of course, assuming that the threads are spinning in a spherical fashion and will occupy space in the fashion of bubbles clumped together).

So, now we just need to find out how many threads on the head of a pin.

To do that, we just multiply the number of threads in a single Hydrogen atom by the number of Hydrogen atoms that fit on the head of a pin.

Remember, 5x10^12 Hydrogen atoms fit on the head of a pin.

Number of threads that fit on the head of a pin = 5x10^12 X 5.23598775x10^77 = 2.617993875x10^90

So, if I did my math right (I'm using a cheap little calculator that doesn't have an exponent function - I'm doing the exponents in my head), the answer is:

2.617993875x10^90 Open Threads on the head of a pin!

Cheers

536 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:01:41pm

re: #528 Outrider

It still works that way. There's a career path to E-9 for every MOS.

CSMs are MOS non-specific (actually, they have their own MOS, 00Z).

537 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:02:38pm

re: #533 yochanan

my earliest memory was when my father was stationed 3 k. from the border of east Germany when the mp;'s came to the part of the base were the Dependants were living and told us we had 15 mins to pack one bag and get on the bus to bremerhaven. seems the soviets were having a little problem with one of there puppet states and they were worried that they would attack the west to take off the pressure on the Hungarian commies.

That was in 56? I went through the same thing in 68 when we were stationed in Bindlach with the 2 ACR and the Soviets stomped the Czechs.

538 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:03:26pm

re: #535 Doctor Bulldog

How many open threads can fit on the head of a pin... Hmmm... About 5x10^12 hydrogen atoms fit on the head of an average size pin, so if we are using an open thread (string) theory, then we might be able to deduce this:

The average size of a string should be somewhere near the length scale of quantum gravity (if string theory is to be a theory of quantum gravity).

So, that puts us at the Planck length of about 1X10^-33 centimeters.

Which would also put the length of a thread (string) at one Planck length; 1x10^-33 cm. Unfortunately, I am unable to calculate the width of a thread. However, if we consider the possibility that a thread vibrates, rotates, tumbles, and spins in all directions along a central point of axis, then we can assume it occupies a spherical shape; so, the width of the thread is unimportant in our calculation.

Now, the diameter of a hydrogen atom is about 1x10^-8 centimeters. So, how many strings would fit in a hydrogen atom? We can get a rough idea by using a little math:

# of threads in the diameter of a Hydrogen Atom = (1x10^-8) / (1x10^-33) = 1x10^25

So, now we need to calculate the thread volume of the Hydrogen Atom:

Thread Volume of H atom = (pi x d^3)/6 = (3.14159265 x (1x10^25)^3)/6 = (3.14159265 x 1x10^78)/6 = 3.14159265x10^78/6 =

5.23598775x10^77

That is to say, there are 5.23598775x10^77 threads in an atom (that is, of course, assuming that the threads are spinning in a spherical fashion and will occupy space in the fashion of bubbles clumped together).

So, now we just need to find out how many threads on the head of a pin.

To do that, we just multiply the number of threads in a single Hydrogen atom by the number of Hydrogen atoms that fit on the head of a pin.

Remember, 5x10^12 Hydrogen atoms fit on the head of a pin.

Number of threads that fit on the head of a pin = 5x10^12 X 5.23598775x10^77 = 2.617993875x10^90

So, if I did my math right (I'm using a cheap little calculator that doesn't have an exponent function - I'm doing the exponents in my head), the answer is:

2.617993875x10^90 Open Threads on the head of a pin!

Cheers

IF THAT WERE THE GOV'T IT MIGHT BE REAL MONEY.

539 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:05:00pm

re: #526 Outrider

yup and he has to be an Infantryman by MOS (military occupational skill) with a lot of other CSM assignments along the way.

There's no requirement for the SMA to be Infantry.

The current one, Kenneth Preston, is a tanker/cav scout.

540 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:05:09pm

re: #534 bulwrk

Yep,I really don't see what the argument is here.The reason the law is ambiguous about the difference between friendly and hostile nations is because alliances change.

like Panama? Iraq? Iran? for example? Good point though.

I'm pretty sure we would stay tight with Israel. They are really the only allies we have besides our First Party nations. And they have consistently voted with us in the UN, more so than virtually any other country.

541 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:06:33pm

re: #530 Outrider

I hate to say it, I never could figure out many of them Navy ranks and ratings. I've even saluted some of them because them silly khaki things looked like officers. (sheepish) lol

Every service's ratings and ranking are confusing to the others. I just adopted the policy of when in doubt salute it. Only got told a couple of times I was wrong and was then laughed at. ;)

542 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:07:21pm

re: #536 lobo91

It still works that way. There's a career path to E-9 for every MOS.

CSMs are MOS non-specific (actually, they have their own MOS, 00Z).

thanks. I never made CSM. I was satisfied with 1SG as that was what I had wanted since I the first time I saw an old western and saw the cavalry 1SG and that big old diamond. ;-)>

543 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:06pm

re: #537 Outrider

YEP 56 we were transfered to ft benning in 1960. He was the head of one of the mess halls during the Cuban missile thingie he was sent to key west units attached to ground to ground steel tubes got to eat too. honest john.

glad the soviet shoe banger blinked which is what i heard him say to my mom. as the thingie at the tip of the steel tube made a real loud bang

544 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:19pm

re: #539 lobo91

There's no requirement for the SMA to be Infantry.

The current one, Kenneth Preston, is a tanker/cav scout.

ahh like I said, things change. Wonder when that requirement dropped?

545 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:59pm

re: #541 FurryOldGuyJeans

seamen must salute marine bull dogs alot

546 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:09:32pm

re: #539 lobo91

There's no requirement for the SMA to be Infantry.

The current one, Kenneth Preston, is a tanker/cav scout.

Dang. He ain't Airborne either. Wow.

547 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:10:55pm

re: #540 Outrider

Definitely,although I am not very sure how Israel will feel about us in a few years,with good reason.

548 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:11:00pm

re: #541 FurryOldGuyJeans

Every service's ratings and ranking are confusing to the others. I just adopted the policy of when in doubt salute it. Only got told a couple of times I was wrong and was then laughed at. ;)

(sigh) been there. The Navy (senior?) NCOs used to have some kind of khaki suit that looked like a business suit almost with no visible rank. I saluted a couple of them puppies a time or two. arggh.

549 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:11:19pm

re: #546 Outrider

the job has a bit more clout than your ave 2ed lt. for sure.

550 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:12:29pm

re: #542 Outrider

They're actually toying with the idea of adding another enlisted pay grade, although I'm not sure what they'd call the rank that went with it.

The Army's been having trouble retaining E-9s, because once you make CSM, that's pretty much it. Some people manage to do that in as little as 18 years or so, so why would they want to stick around knowing that they'll never be promoted again (aside from the pay raises, of course).

The idea I saw was for battalion and brigade CSMs to be E-9s, and for division and above to be E-10s. Don't know if it will ever happen.

551 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:12:35pm

re: #543 yochanan

YEP 56 we were transfered to ft benning in 1960. He was the head of one of the mess halls during the Cuban missile thingie he was sent to key west units attached to ground to ground steel tubes got to eat too. honest john.

glad the soviet shoe banger blinked which is what i heard him say to my mom. as the thingie at the tip of the steel tube made a real loud bang

scary times for dependents. Or soldiers put on alert and deploying to wartime positions as opposed to training alert positions on the border.

552 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:13:58pm

re: #547 bulwrk

Definitely,although I am not very sure how Israel will feel about us in a few years,with good reason.

I'm hoping the bureaucrats will keep everything running smoothly and handle the Executive Branch to minimize damage. I think our relations will weather the storm.

553 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:14:06pm

re: #546 Outrider

Dang. He ain't Airborne either. Wow.

Not much call for airborne tankers, especially since they retired the Sheridans.

554 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:15:53pm

re: #550 lobo91

They're actually toying with the idea of adding another enlisted pay grade, although I'm not sure what they'd call the rank that went with it.

The Army's been having trouble retaining E-9s, because once you make CSM, that's pretty much it. Some people manage to do that in as little as 18 years or so, so why would they want to stick around knowing that they'll never be promoted again (aside from the pay raises, of course).

The idea I saw was for battalion and brigade CSMs to be E-9s, and for division and above to be E-10s. Don't know if it will ever happen.

for status? If I was a CSM, I would not be satisfied with a mere Battalion CSM position. I would want to go as far as I could. I think many feel the same way.

But, like I said, wanted the diamond... not the star. ;-)>

555 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:16:44pm

re: #548 Outrider

(sigh) been there. The Navy (senior?) NCOs used to have some kind of khaki suit that looked like a business suit almost with no visible rank. I saluted a couple of them puppies a time or two. arggh.

Nah, nah, nah, the Navy doesn't have Senior NCOs, only Chiefs (Chief Petty Officers, actually E7-E9). The only true NCOs are Petty Officers (E4-E6), and they look like junior squids, same dungaree uniforms.

556 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:17:04pm

re: #553 lobo91

Not much call for airborne tankers, especially since they retired the Sheridans.

82nd Airborne has a gang of them. And cannon cockers. Don't know what they use anymore though.

557 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:19:51pm

re: #554 Outrider

for status? If I was a CSM, I would not be satisfied with a mere Battalion CSM position. I would want to go as far as I could. I think many feel the same way.

But, like I said, wanted the diamond... not the star. ;-)>

There was a time when I would have been interested in a CSM position, but I've reached the point in my career where I'm more interested in making it to retirement. I'm getting too old for all the TDYs and deployments.

558 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:20:23pm

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nah, nah, nah, the Navy doesn't have Senior NCOs, only Chiefs (Chief Petty Officers, actually E7-E9). The only true NCOs are Petty Officers (E4-E6), and they look like junior squids, same dungaree uniforms.

hmmm ok. (sigh) been there. The Navy (senior?) NCOs Chiefs used to have some kind of khaki suit that looked like a business suit almost with no visible rank. I saluted a couple of them puppies a time or two. arggh.
;-)>

559 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:22:50pm

re: #556 Outrider

82nd Airborne has a gang of them. And cannon cockers. Don't know what they use anymore though.

Not anymore. The Sheridans are all gone now, replaced with armored Humvees.

There are still airborne FA battalions, though.

560 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:23:13pm

navy seamen might salute one of these
[Link: www.usmcbulldog.com...]

561 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:23:27pm

re: #489 avanti

Please link to that statement from the Admiral, not from his son nor the swift boat guys speculation. Zumwalt defended Kerry in 1996 and there is this.

"Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam, personally selected the Silver Star award for Kerry and personally pinned the Silver Star on Kerry's chest at a ceremony at our Coastal Division 11 base in An Thoi, South Vietnam just days after the action. A decoration, like every other award for heroism, that was recommended by his Division Officer and endorsed by then Captain Roy L. Hoffmann. According to Zumwalt, he actually wanted to give Kerry an even higher award, the Navy Cross, but decided upon a Silver Star because he wished to make the award as expeditiously as possible. These points were publicly reiterated by Admiral Zumwalt in 1996, in defense of Kerry's military record."

The quote does not come from his son nor the swift boat guys speculation, it comes from W. Scott Thompson, an adjunct professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Boston.

For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

In legal terms this is a first hand account of a personal conversation, it is not hearsay, but genuine evidence acceptable in a court of law.

562 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:23:29pm

re: #557 lobo91

There was a time when I would have been interested in a CSM position, but I've reached the point in my career where I'm more interested in making it to retirement. I'm getting too old for all the TDYs and deployments.

I know the feeling, which is why I retired. The last two years I spent over 500 days deployed on various exercises, deployments, and TDYs. None of them lasting longer than two months. Then home for a week ora couple of days before out again. Most of my career was like that.

You hit a stage where you know you have done al you can do. Any longer and you would be a detriment.

563 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:24:36pm

just kidding you squids i was born at great lakes and my father was in the navy for 5 years even had the luck of being at pearl harbor on that dec 7th

564 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:25:57pm

re: #563 yochanan

just kidding you squids i was born at great lakes and my father was in the navy for 5 years even had the luck of being at pearl harbor on that dec 7th

luck like that I could do without. ;-)>

565 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:27:41pm

re: #564 Outrider

he was also on the USS ENTERPRISE cv-6 lot of 'luck' there too
after the war he tried civilian life did not like it my mom did not want him gone all the time so he went army for 20 years.

566 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:28:35pm

he went over seas twice but it was to europe not asia

567 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:29:12pm

currently one son is in the I.D.F.

568 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:37:43pm

re: #558 Outrider

hmmm ok. (sigh) been there. The Navy (senior?) NCOs Chiefs used to have some kind of khaki suit that looked like a business suit almost with no visible rank. I saluted a couple of them puppies a time or two. arggh.
;-)>

In the Navy Chiefs have more power and pull than junior officers. And the khakis are to separate Chiefs from the rest of the enlisted slimes.

569 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:40:58pm
570 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:43:48pm

re: #565 yochanan

he was also on the USS ENTERPRISE cv-6 lot of 'luck' there too
after the war he tried civilian life did not like it my mom did not want him gone all the time so he went army for 20 years.

lots of variety in his life eh?

571 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:45:30pm

re: #568 FurryOldGuyJeans

In the Navy Chiefs have more power and pull than junior officers. And the khakis are to separate Chiefs from the rest of the enlisted slimes.

unofficially, it was much the same in the Army.

572 lobo91  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:56:42pm

re: #571 Outrider

unofficially, it was much the same in the Army.

Still is. My boss (an O-6/COL) asks my opinion about things long before he consults any of our captains or even some of the majors (we don't have any lieutenants, fortunately).

573 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:00:20pm
574 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:15pm

re: #570 Outrider

yep he only lived to be 43 but spent 25 years in the military seems he lied about his age and joined the navy at 15 was at pearl at 16.

575 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:16pm

re: #572 lobo91

Still is. My boss (an O-6/COL) asks my opinion about things long before he consults any of our captains or even some of the majors (we don't have any lieutenants, fortunately).

I like Lieutenants. Every Lieutenant I trained, with the exception of one, went on to achieve at least Full Colonel before retirement and a couple of them got stars.

The one got nada and left the Army when he was passed over one too many times.

So many good jobs and opportunities in the country and he just picked the wrong one. In my defense, I think he would fail at any occupation he tried unless he got his head out of his fourth point of contact.

576 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:07:12pm

re: #574 yochanan

yep he only lived to be 43 but spent 25 years in the military seems he lied about his age and joined the navy at 15 was at pearl at 16.

happened a lot back then. 'm guessing the young men looked older then and recruiters weren't aggressive on checking ages. Not sure they had the capabilities back then.

577 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:08:18pm

re: #572 lobo91

my father told me of one 90 day wonder (2ed lt) who was smarter than most who said I don't really know what i am doing yet so he asked my father to run the place and jest give him the paper work to sign. i remember my father ended up liking the guy

578 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:09:22pm

re: #576 Outrider

my grand mother signed the papers saying he was 17 when he was in fact 15 but he was 6' and 200 lb at the time

579 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:10:33pm

re: #575 Outrider

lol the insertion is easier than the extraction

580 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:11:12pm

re: #577 yochanan

my father told me of one 90 day wonder (2ed lt) who was smarter than most who said I don't really know what i am doing yet so he asked my father to run the place and jest give him the paper work to sign. i remember my father ended up liking the guy

I had a few start that way, but no way was I going to let that continue. They have their responsibilities and they will carry them out. Your father had the right idea for short term though.

581 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:12:55pm

re: #579 yochanan

lol the insertion is easier than the extraction

insertions are almost always easier than extractions just hairier. Especially if they are a hot extractions. I know- different contexts. lol

582 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:14:17pm

re: #580 Outrider

my father MOS was to run a mess hall i suspect the 2ed lt did not know which end you put into a big pot.

583 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:15:21pm

twice a year we would go to the mess hall and eat with the gi's which i think they liked because they were given more stuff to work with so the meal was better

584 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:22:19pm

re: #561 doriangrey

In legal terms this is a first hand account of a personal conversation, it is not hearsay, but genuine evidence acceptable in a court of law.

OK, not from the Admiral directly then. I certainly won't debate the swifties on a right wing blog. I actually admire the political savy that allowed a attack on a vet's patriotism to win a election, especially with Bush's avoiding the unpleasantness. I'm not being sarcastic, it was a impressive campaign tactically.

585 badbear  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:23:25pm

re: #439 jwb7605

I discovered that on my second cruise.

Three squares, a rack, and nobody shootin' at you. Any Marine would call that having a nice day.

586 Basho  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:35:48pm

YAY! After a month Pat Condell finally posts a new video! His best one yet, I believe:

"Merry Christmas to everyone, especially to all you Islamists crackpots you think celebrating Christmas is a sin. Of course it is, that's why it's so much fun!"

587 Basho  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:36:34pm

re: #586 Basho

PIMF
"...Islamists crackpots who** think..."

588 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:37:17pm

re: #585 badbear

Three squares, a rack, and nobody shootin' at you. Any Marine would call that having a nice day.

three hots and a cot? And showers (such as they are) to boot? Damn skippy.

589 Outrider  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:38:12pm

re: #583 yochanan

twice a year we would go to the mess hall and eat with the gi's which i think they liked because they were given more stuff to work with so the meal was better

I think many of the soldiers enjoyed seeing families present also.

590 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:52:47pm
591 yochanan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:49:46pm

Kerry sort of caused it all esp after he came to the convention and wrapped himself all up in the flag, since his anti war stuff after the war as well as going to the commies in France was so well known.

hypocrite

592 Sloppy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:02:24pm

I recall walking down a sidewalk at Fort Sam Houston in 1957 with a couple of other guys and our barracks sergeant when we met a newly-minted lieutenant who failed to return our salutes. The sergeant spun on his heel, said, "Excuse me, sir," and delivered the most respectful and effective ass-chewing I ever heard. I bet that lieutenant never again failed to return a salute.


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 Frank says:

Yes, Ladies and gentleman, even in this agricultural enviroment, We're gonna' play a love song -- This was about 1974 in Harrisburg Pa. at the Farm Show Arena, a week after the Farm show had left town... Frank never admitted to playing there, and I can't say as I blame him. But, I will never forget what a magical night that was.

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