Warren seems to have strange bedfellows.

re: #1 Thanos

*Visual Denied*

Is anybody paying attention but us?

Of course the comeback will be that there were a lot of religious groups there. ISNA is however a political as well as religious group.

No he didn't.

/post memory-hole

re: #1 Thanos
That's not the un-indicted co-conspirator I knew!

re: #1 Thanos

Warren seems to have strange bedfellows.

Bedfellows. An odd word.

re: #6 swamprat

That's not the un-indicted co-conspirator I knew!

I did not have spiritual relations...

re: #3 Noam Sayin'

Is anybody paying attention but us?

I doubt it. No one cares; Warren is associated with Obama and is thus an ambassador of peace, regardless of who he cavorts with.

Damnit, I need a new score card to keep track of 'em all.

re: #7 Opilio

Bedfellows. An odd word.

Standard political coinage, I use it a lot - no sexual innuendo intended.

e.g. When Pat Buchanan and Jeremy Rifkin both agree on crossfire they are strange bedfellows.

That Warren is some kinda nut.

Jihadists lead the ultimate "Purpose Driven Life".

I really didn't know alot about this Warren cat. But the more I am finding out, Obama can keep his ass. He's sounding like Jimmah in a robe or something.

re: #14 x-wing

Jimmah - now there is the perfect comparison. Very apt observation.

He loves muslims! ...oh, yeah ...gays too ...

Mpac and now this. Twice is a trend.

It would have been nice if the President's handlers could have noticed this beforehand too.

We had MAJOR Plunbming troubles here, over Thanksgiving, and the crew was very much members of Rick Warrens Church. Very religious, prompt, hard working, and, almost innocent. Great work, nice men, would have them back again, anytime!

re: #15 Thanos

I haven't heard his true feelings about Joos, but he seems pretty cozy with Joo haters.

re: #11 Thanos

Standard political coinage, I use it a lot - no sexual innuendo intended.

e.g. When Pat Buchanan and Jeremy Rifkin both agree on crossfire they are strange bedfellows.

I'm familiar with the word. It's just sometimes a word strikes me as odd, even if I've seen it a thousand times. I guess tonight that word is bedfellow.

Looks like there's a bit of similarity between Christian and Muslim fundies.

Oh. This has promise. /

re: #21 Opilio

Noun 1. bedfellow - a temporary associate; "politics makes strange bedfellows"
associate - a person who joins with others in some activity or endeavor; "he had to consult his associate before continuing"

Who can represent Islam at events like this? Its a short list.

Pastor Warren is sure showing a lot of cluelessness that will mean lots of overtime for Obama Team to bury down the memory hole.

re: #25 Mich-again

... and most of the list are unindicted co-conspirators.

re: #18 Bloodnok

It would have been nice if the President's handlers could have noticed this beforehand too.

Could Obama have known? After seeing what people dug up on his Reverend of choice, Wright, and then being embarrassed with the "above his pay grade" thing at Saddleback, could this be his way of getting back at Warren--forcing the media to look at every aspect of his ministry?

Fundamentalism sucks whether it answers to Mohammed or Allah.

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Fundamentalism sucks whether it answers to Mohammed or Allah.

...Or Jesus.

re: #28 Palandine

Could Obama have known? After seeing what people dug up on his Reverend of choice, Wright, and then being embarrassed with the "above his pay grade" thing at Saddleback, could this be his way of getting back at Warren--forcing the media to look at every aspect of his ministry?

Are you implying Our Messiah-King is Vengeful? Blasphemy, you Heretic! ;)

re: #7 Opilio

Bedfellows. An odd word.

As I recall the history, people actually used to share beds for reasons other than sex. A very good friend of the same sex might share your bed right up through about 1700 with no one thinking twice about it.

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Fundamentalism sucks whether it answers to Mohammed or Allah.

...?

/I get the idea

Correction: Fundamentalism sucks whether it answers to Christ or Mohammed.

I'm getting my prophets mixed up!

re: #19 Floral Giraffe

We had MAJOR Plunbming troubles here, over Thanksgiving, and the crew was very much members of Rick Warrens Church. Very religious, prompt, hard working, and, almost innocent. Great work, nice men, would have them back again, anytime!

The majority of his congregation are probably very genuine in their faith. My read is Warren has let his "fame" take control and let things that matter slip.

More on Bedfellows:

Party politics, like poverty, bring men ‘acquainted with strange bedfellows’.
[1839 P. Hone Diary 9 July (1927) I. 404]
The Doolittle raspberries have sprawled all over the strawberry-beds: so true is it that politics makes strange bed-fellows.
[1870 C. D. Warner My Summer in Garden (1871) 187]
Ashley Wilkes and I are mainly responsible. Platitudinously but truly, politics make strange bedfellows.
[1936 M. Mitchell Gone with Wind lviii.]
Even enemies have something in common. Statecraft produces strange bedfellows.
[1980 P. Van greenaway Dissident vii.]
Politics makes strange bedfellows, if Mr. Hyde will forgive the unforgivable but irresistible metaphor.
[1995 Washington Times 31 Mar. A4]

re: #22 Boogberg

Looks like there's a bit of similarity between Christian and Muslim fundies.

Well, not all. Some are very worried about islam's spread.

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pastor Warren is sure showing a lot of cluelessness that will mean lots of overtime for Obama Team to bury down the memory hole.

Time to fire up the bus again.

re: #27 Thanos

... and most of the list are unindicted co-conspirators.

Another Inconvenient Truth.

re: #3 Noam Sayin'

Is anybody paying attention but us?

I am thinking, no.

re: #39 Mich-again

Another Inconvenient Truth.

The most Inconvenient Truth of all!

A couple of points:
Sleep in the same bed as anti-Semitic rodents, wake up with fleas

Secpmd. I know Charles doesn't like end times stuff, even that from the Jewish perspective, so I'll just say that one indication is when all the nations of the world are heretical.

re: #28 Palandine

Could Obama have known? After seeing what people dug up on his Reverend of choice, Wright, and then being embarrassed with the "above his pay grade" thing at Saddleback, could this be his way of getting back at Warren--forcing the media to look at every aspect of his ministry?

Could be. But I'm leaning more towards 0bama trying to find a popular Christian voice to which he can hitch his wagon. And Warren, for his part wants to be this generation's Billy Graham. IMHO.

re: #30 Boogberg

...Or Jesus.

Really? Why? Not that I am a fundamentalist by any means. But really. What is it about what J* said that scares you so much?

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pastor Warren is sure showing a lot of cluelessness that will mean lots of overtime for Obama Team to bury down the memory hole.

Or make for a big bump for The Bus when he is thrown under same.

re: #38 Ward Cleaver

Time to fire up the bus again.

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Or make for a big bump for The Bus when he is thrown under same.

GMTA

The term "strange bedfellows" dates back to Shakespeare (The Tempest)

Rick Warren is not to be trusted. He is interested in building up Rick Warren. Humility is not his bag. There are some people one should associate with, but the publicity is so worth it. Gag.

I have to say I did like what Barney Frank (the jerk) said the other day about not being in the business of having conversations all over the place, but being in the business of actually doing something. Not that he would know.

re: #35 jcm

The majority of his congregation are probably very genuine in their faith. My read is Warren has let his "fame" take control and let things that matter slip.

I've thought for awhile that Warren wants to be the next Billy Graham, but he'll never fill those shoes. Hobnobbing with presidents isn't what it's all about.

Something about this guy doesn't smell quite right. Can't quite put my finger on it though.

I would be okay with Rick Warren addressing this group ...if he would show a video to them of the murderous acts of their fellow muslims and then ask what they hell they are doing to fight it ...but no ...that never seems to come up ...

Until the majority of muslims in this country get vocal about what their fellow muslims are doing ...I have no respect ...where are the marches by muslims in protest of what murders have been committed in the name of their faith ...

Warren is getting way too cozy with these people who deny the fundamental tenets of his faith. There's more to this than meets the eye.

/not to overstate the obvious...

PIMF . . . there are people one should NOT associate with. Good grief. :(

I *wonder* if any of the people complaining about how Charles isn't focusing on jihadists enough and "just stop with the Christian bashing already, Charles!" will bother to pause and ask themselves if the connections the jihadist front groups have are problematic and if it's not important to their overall goals, or if these whiners will continue to shoot the messenger.

re: #47 Thanos

"A very ancient and fish-like smell."
Act ii. Scene. 2

re: #47 Thanos

The term "strange bedfellows" dates back to Shakespeare (The Tempest)

Yes, but I gave the reason for the phrase.

Not that anyone noticed. Sigh.

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Or make for a big bump for The Bus when he is thrown under same.

Or maybe Obama wants everyone to know there are nutty white preachers just like there are nutty black preachers and who could argue with that.

re: #54 Sharmuta

I *wonder* if any of the people complaining about how Charles isn't focusing on jihadists enough and "just stop with the Christian bashing already, Charles!" will bother to pause and ask themselves if the connections the jihadist front groups have are problematic and if it's not important to their overall goals, or if these whiners will continue to shoot the messenger.

You make too much sense with all that logic, Sharm. That won't stop the die-hard critics.

re: #56 Dianna

I noticed

re: #43 Bloodnok

Well, Clinton latched onto Tony Campolo when things went bad for him.

I feel neither one way or the other about Warren. I think Obama's choice of him was NOTHING but calculation. They do not share a denomination, and it looks like he's trying to play the part of what he believes "the center" is. That lack of strength in one's own beliefs is a little disconcerting.

I could go through the St. Louis Yellow Pages and find 10 more appropriate ministers for Obama.

re: #51 JacksonTn

I would be okay with Rick Warren addressing this group ...if he would show a video to them of the murderous acts of their fellow muslims and then ask what they hell they are doing to fight it ...but no ...that never seems to come up ...

Until the majority of muslims in this country get vocal about what their fellow muslims are doing ...I have no respect ...where are the marches by muslims in protest of what murders have been committed in the name of their faith ...

I think with all the missions he's got going on in Africa (health care and anti-poverty stuff), he doesn't want to piss off the muslims, since they could make trouble for him there.

re: #56 Dianna

Yes, but I gave the reason for the phrase.

Not that anyone noticed. Sigh.

Guess I'm nobody then since I did notice. *hugs*

re: #61 Ward Cleaver

Ward Cleaver hows you been? I aint seen you forever.

re: #56 Dianna

Yes, but I gave the reason for the phrase.

Not that anyone noticed. Sigh.

I did notice, but you do not want to know what was going through my mind ;>}

//

re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans

Guess I'm nobody then since I did notice. *hugs*

me too..

re: #56 Dianna

Yes, but I gave the reason for the phrase.

Not that anyone noticed. Sigh.

I noticed, too, Dianna.

re: #44 Mich-again

Really? Why? Not that I am a fundamentalist by any means. But really. What is it about what J* said that scares you so much?

You're afraid to spell out "Jesus" and you're asking what I'm scared of? Come on now. :D

re: #51 JacksonTn Well I certainly agree with you about Rick Warren saying and doing that.
But an awful lot of Muslims - including two friends of mine from Pakistan (one of whom became a US Citizen long before 9/11 and is "assimilated" as you can get) both of whom have family and friends back in Pakistan and they are genuinely afraid to come out against the Jihadist because of what they fear those jihadists will do to their families and friends.
So I can understand why many Muslims don't protest what goes on.

re: #32 Dianna

As I recall the history, people actually used to share beds for reasons other than sex. A very good friend of the same sex might share your bed right up through about 1700 with no one thinking twice about it.

Hey, I saw that.

re: #54 Sharmuta

I *wonder* if any of the people complaining about how Charles isn't focusing on jihadists enough and "just stop with the Christian bashing already, Charles!" will bother to pause and ask themselves if the connections the jihadist front groups have are problematic and if it's not important to their overall goals, or if these whiners will continue to shoot the messenger.

They're counting on people failing to connect the dots. And the whiners (at best) are their unwitting allies.

re: #50 freedombilly

Something about this guy doesn't smell quite right. Can't quite put my finger on it though.

And I know my smells!

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

I've thought for awhile that Warren wants to be the next Billy Graham, but he'll never fill those shoes. Hobnobbing with presidents isn't what it's all about.

Don't think so. Graham stopped in Teheran in 70-72' (IIRC) while we lived there, one of his revivals was out of the question and he did meet with the Shah to lay the ground work for one. Graham also met with the local pastors and missionaries privately at his hotel. My dad was invited and I got to tag along, to be seen and not heard.

Graham was ever unique and genuine, it was never about Billy Graham, it was alway about the message.

What the Hell?!?

Warren gives a PEACE medal to BUSH (infuriating the moonbats), and invites ISNA to the ceremony (infuriating the wingnuts); he hangs out with Oprah and Obama (enraging the conservatives) and then turns around and supports Proposition 8 (enraging the liberals).

Is there anybody left in America who isn't mad at Rick Warren?

It's like he's on a one-man crusade to piss EVERYBODY off.

re: #67 Boogberg

You're afraid to spell out "Jesus" and you're asking what I'm scared of? Come on now. :D

No you come one now. I asked first.

re: #69 jaunte

Hey, I saw that.

But at 5:00 sharp you best be up and dressing for dinner in the great hall!

re: #68 realwest

Well I certainly agree with you about Rick Warren saying and doing that.
But an awful lot of Muslims - including two friends of mine from Pakistan (one of whom became a US Citizen long before 9/11 and is "assimilated" as you can get) both of whom have family and friends back in Pakistan and they are genuinely afraid to come out against the Jihadist because of what they fear those jihadists will do to their families and friends.
So I can understand why many Muslims don't protest what goes on.

I respect your opinion ...but where does it end ...the fear of them ...

Also, the "Newseum" (where the ceremony was held) is a joke -- a place that glorifies the MSM and the newspaper business.

re: #64 x-wing

I did notice, but you do not want to know what was going through my mind ;>}

//

Prevert! [sic]

/

re: #22 Boogberg

Looks like there's a bit of similarity between Christian and Muslim fundies.

Christian 'fundies' don't go around blowing up buildings with airplanes.

re: #64 x-wing

I did notice, but you do not want to know what was going through my mind ;>}

//

Smutty little perv, quit reading my mind! ;)

re: #77 zombie

Also, the "Newseum" (where the ceremony was held) is a joke -- a place that glorifies the MSM and the newspaper business.

I have thought about going even for a good laugh. Is it a complete waste of time or will at least get a chuckle? I do live right down the street so effort would be minimal.

re: #32 Dianna

As I recall the history, people actually used to share beds for reasons other than sex. A very good friend of the same sex might share your bed right up through about 1700 with no one thinking twice about it.

Remember the opening to Moby Dick. Ishmael gets lodging, and shares a be with Queequeg. Just the way accommodations worked.

re: #79 Cygnus

Booberg is an ass that won't answer a simple question.

re: #68 realwest

Well I certainly agree with you about Rick Warren saying and doing that.
But an awful lot of Muslims - including two friends of mine from Pakistan (one of whom became a US Citizen long before 9/11 and is "assimilated" as you can get) both of whom have family and friends back in Pakistan and they are genuinely afraid to come out against the Jihadist because of what they fear those jihadists will do to their families and friends.
So I can understand why many Muslims don't protest what goes on.

Then they are part of the damn problem, the cowards, and I shall have no alternative but to place the blame squarely where it belongs. I'm sorry, I have heard this bit before and I think they are serving you a big pile of Taqiya.

re: #32 Dianna

A very good friend of the same sex might share your bed right up through about 1700 with no one thinking twice about it.

But after 5 PM people start to ask questions...

re: #82 jcm

Remember the opening to Moby Dick. Ishmael gets lodging, and shares a be with Queequeg. Just the way accommodations worked.

Yes - most places, people shared beds.

re: #85 Opilio
(See my #75 :))

re: #63 Mich-again

Ward Cleaver hows you been? I aint seen you forever.

I'm doing okay. Been on vacation the last couple of weeks, home with the kids for the holidays. Been so busy at home that I don't get to post much.

re: #73 zombie

What the Hell?!?

Warren gives a PEACE medal to BUSH (infuriating the moonbats), and invites ISNA to the ceremony (infuriating the wingnuts); he hangs out with Oprah and Obama (enraging the conservatives) and then turns around and supports Proposition 8 (enraging the liberals).

Is there anybody left in America who isn't mad at Rick Warren?

It's like he's on a one-man crusade to piss EVERYBODY off.

Hey, He's unifying America! That why Obama likes him.

Unity! Hope! Change! Puke!

re: #86 Dianna

Yes - most places, people shared beds.

Only in America do the Puritan ideals about sex still prevail, to our detriment.

re: #74 Mich-again

No you come one now. I asked first.

I'm not scared of anything Jesus said. What gave you the impression I was?

re: #87 revobob

(See my #75 :))

GMTA.

re: #56 Dianna
Hi Dianna - I noticed! But it's funny, as I was reading your comment, I was thinking of the old time practice of bundling - where a man and a woman would sleep in the same bed, but with something that sorta blocked any kind of physical contact.

re: #77 zombie

Also, the "Newseum" (where the ceremony was held) is a joke -- a place that glorifies the MSM and the newspaper business.

Like a horse and buggy museum.

re: #83 Mich-again

Booberg is an ass that won't answer a simple question.

So who is alpine lizard?

re: #73 zombie
Hi zombie - and he's certainly doing a GREAT job of it, too! LOL!

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Hey, He's unifying America! That why Obama likes him.

Unity! Hope! Change! Puke!

Pastor Warren sure does make for a timely diversion for Our Messiah-King.

re: #90 FurryOldGuyJeans

Only in America do the Puritan ideals about sex still prevail, to our detriment.

Even the Puritans had a lot of early first babies according to the records.

re: #93 realwest

Hi Dianna - I noticed! But it's funny, as I was reading your comment, I was thinking of the old time practice of bundling - where a man and a woman would sleep in the same bed, but with something that sorta blocked any kind of physical contact.

The mother in law?

//white smoke

re: #70 Lynn B.

They're counting on people failing to connect the dots. And the whiners (at best) are their unwitting allies.

Intellectual honesty would suggest that it at least be considered problematic and worthy of mention. When these groups are linked to an FBI conference or something similar, no one complains about it being a front page post. It's a fascinating phenomenon.

re: #98 jcm

Even the Puritans had a lot of early first babies according to the records.

Heh, ideals sure have a way of getting perverted at times, don't they? ;)

You like how Obama releases his own report on his administrations involvement with the Blago BS at 4:30 pm on December 23rd? Not that it is different than any other President before him but I thought the Messiah was supposed to be different and above politics.

Change!

re: #90 FurryOldGuyJeans

Only in America do the Puritan ideals about sex still prevail, to our detriment.

The Puritans had "bundling."

They were not the prudes people think they were.

re: #72 jcm
Very fine post jcm - too many people compare Billy Graham and Rick Warren simply because they are both "named" preachers, but Rick Warren does seem to be all about Rick Warren and of course, Billy Graham was always about the message.

re: #72 jcm

Don't think so. Graham stopped in Teheran in 70-72' (IIRC) while we lived there, one of his revivals was out of the question and he did meet with the Shah to lay the ground work for one. Graham also met with the local pastors and missionaries privately at his hotel. My dad was invited and I got to tag along, to be seen and not heard.

Graham was ever unique and genuine, it was never about Billy Graham, it was alway about the message.

Well, that's what I meant. Billy Graham has always been the real deal, and Warren is just a wannabe. I've always had a great deal of respect for Billy Graham.

re: #91 Boogberg

I'm not scared of anything Jesus said. What gave you the impression I was?

Huh? Upthread in response to this ...

Fundamentalism sucks whether it answers to Mohammed or Allah.

you posted this reply..

...Or Jesus.

re: #101 Boogberg

Watch your mouth, m*f*. Don't start s*t and there won't be s*t.

And thank you for elevating the level of discourse

re: #104 Dianna

The Puritans had "bundling."

They were not the prudes people think they were.

Consistency in flawed human beings is hard to find.

re: #105 realwest

There will never be another one like Billy Graham. 'Nuff said.

re: #101 Boogberg

Watch your mouth, motherfucker. Don't start shit and there won't be shit.

That "motherfucker" is one of the five to ten most articulate people in this here forum in one man's opinion.

re: #93 realwest

Hi Dianna - I noticed! But it's funny, as I was reading your comment, I was thinking of the old time practice of bundling - where a man and a woman would sleep in the same bed, but with something that sorta blocked any kind of physical contact.

Oh, yes. Usually, they tied the girl's legs together.

Clearly, no one ever heard of positions other than missionary.

re: #90 FurryOldGuyJeans

Only in America do the Puritan ideals about sex still prevail, to our detriment.

Interesting thing about the Puritans- read some time ago that someone studied marriage, birth and death records (infant and childbirth mortality) in the early colonies. Found that essentially half (IIRC 49.5%, but it's a while ago) of brides were pregnant at their weddings.
Some of the old timers were pretty pragmatic about the ability to produce heirs (usually multiple- life was deadly, and children were expected to provide for their elders when they became unable to work). A woman who couldn't at least conceive was unlikely to attract a choice mate.

re: #101 Boogberg

Watch your mouth, motherfucker. Don't start shit and there won't be shit.

Smack! You made a questionable comparison and then didn't explain it when asked. Then you posted this. You're getting close to GAZE country, buddy.

re: #101 Boogberg

Don't start shit and there won't be shit.

Ha. Like I give a crap about dumbness like that.

re: #84 rawmuse

Then they are part of the damn problem, the cowards, and I shall have no alternative but to place the blame squarely where it belongs. I'm sorry, I have heard this bit before and I think they are serving you a big pile of Taqiya.

I just want to know how much water we have to carry for other countries before they will even carry one cup for us ...

/I now there are a few but not many ...

re: #98 jcm

Even the Puritans had a lot of early first babies according to the records.

Which just proves - so far as I am concerned - that tying a girl's legs together is not the solution it seems.

re: #110 Cygnus

There will never be another one like Billy Graham. 'Nuff said.

Agreed. I also like Franklin Graham, as he tells it like it is regarding islam.

"We are such stuff as dreams are made on, rounded with a little sleep."

Goodnight all. Time to get round.

re: #118 Ward Cleaver

Agreed. I also like Franklin Graham, as he tells it like it is regarding islam.

I was in the choir at Franklin Graham's Festival here in WA state recently. What a great experience.

re: #109 FurryOldGuyJeans

Consistency in flawed human beings is hard to find.

No, you misunderstand me. The Puritans weren't particularly prudish, unless you think of them as Victorians.

re: #106 Ward Cleaver

Well, that's what I meant. Billy Graham has always been the real deal, and Warren is just a wannabe. I've always had a great deal of respect for Billy Graham.

Wasn't disagreeing, just affirming your point.

re: #112 Dianna

Oh, yes. Usually, they tied the girl's legs together.

Clearly, no one ever heard of positions other than missionary.

Well, they left England because of their religious zealotry...

re: #76 JacksonTn I wish I knew - and I know they wished they knew. Took being friends with 'em - seeing them 2 or 3 times a week for over a year before they'd talk about damn near anything about Islam or jihadist. Of course, big mouth realwest brought it up first and the first time I did they both sorta dodged it. The second time big mouth me asked about it, it was like opening the floodgates - THEY ARE TRULY SCARED my friend, and from some of the things they've told me, I don't blame them one bit. We'd have to root out and KILL all the jihadists in Paksitan AND Afgahnistan to make them feel safer for their families.
And the things they've told me raised the hair on MY neck.

re: #117 Dianna

Which just proves - so far as I am concerned - that tying a girl's legs together is not the solution it seems.

Yep, my big thing is the guys.
Guys should take care of their offspring.
PERIOD! END OF STORY!

re: #121 Dianna

No, you misunderstand me. The Puritans weren't particularly prudish, unless you think of them as Victorians.

I never did say I thought the Puritans were prudish, that seems to have been inferred by others. All I said was I thought the Puritan ideals about sex has been a detriment to us in present day America.

Aiii, don't let me get started on the Victorian ideas about sex, please! ;)

So then just who was GWB's"spiritual adviser" these last 8 years?

re: #107 Mich-again

re: #91 Boogberg

I'm not scared of anything Jesus said. What gave you the impression I was?

Huh? Upthread in response to this ...

Fundamentalism sucks whether it answers to Mohammed or Allah.

you posted this reply..

...Or Jesus.

How the hell does this indicate that I'm scared of something Jesus said?

re: #125 realwest

I wish I knew - and I know they wished they knew. Took being friends with 'em - seeing them 2 or 3 times a week for over a year before they'd talk about damn near anything about Islam or jihadist. Of course, big mouth realwest brought it up first and the first time I did they both sorta dodged it. The second time big mouth me asked about it, it was like opening the floodgates - THEY ARE TRULY SCARED my friend, and from some of the things they've told me, I don't blame them one bit. We'd have to root out and KILL all the jihadists in Paksitan AND Afgahnistan to make them feel safer for their families.
And the things they've told me raised the hair on MY neck.

I understand they are scared ...but I am pretty sure our soldiers are scared every time they go on patrol ...maybe it is time for them to assist more in taking their own countries back ...when you say WE ... I think it should include THEM also ...

re: #125 realwest

I helped bust a big Columbian cocaine ring. These were people that would take a chain saw to you if you opposed them.

There were people that measured my life expectancy in hours. So, I got no respect for cowards. None. Their lives are already over, they just don't know it.

Nite all- wheat dreams

re: #124 revobob

Well, they left England because of their religious zealotry...

I should have appended a sarc tag.

re: #84 rawmuse
You are entitled to your opinion rawmuse. But how many muslims do you have as friends? How many do you talk to - in person, several times a week.
Sure they could be feeding me a big pile of Taqiya.
But a lot of what they've said have jived with a lot of what I've read in Michael Yon's blog and in other places.
That said, you could be right. But I'm NOT gonna ask them to do something that they are TERRIFIED of doing, just to satisfy your curiousity. Period.

re: #100 Sharmuta

Intellectual honesty would suggest that it at least be considered problematic and worthy of mention. When these groups are linked to an FBI conference or something similar, no one complains about it being a front page post. It's a fascinating phenomenon.

Fascinating and frightening. It's becoming increasingly obvious that while this country has slept contentedly under the umbrella of its powerful nuclear deterrent, it's been bombarded daily with an invisible hailstorm of disinformation that's working to erode the foundations of our democracy and our republic. It's been going on for a long, long time.

We need to become much more agile and adept at recognizing the information attacks and we need to do it quickly or we're going to lose this war. It's as simple as that.

**OT*** I got a situation. Any Cincy lizards here?

re: #131 rawmuse

I helped bust a big Columbian cocaine ring. These were people that would take a chain saw to you if you opposed them.

There were people that measured my life expectancy in hours. So, I got no respect for cowards. None. Their lives are already over, they just don't know it.

True, but don't hold everyone to your standards. Most people will not resist terrorist intimidation unless they are armed. For an average Pakistani, opposing these monsters is a death sentence.

re: #125 realwest

Iran is the same way. My dad works getting short wave gospel broadcasts into Iran. They have a circuitous rat line to get mail in and out. Being a Christian in Iran is not very healthy or conductive to a long life. But it's the same thing. A lot of people are very fed up. But also very, very afraid. The brutality is truly beyond our imagining.

re: #127 FurryOldGuyJeans

I never did say I thought the Puritans were prudish, that seems to have been inferred by others. All I said was I thought the Puritan ideals about sex has been a detriment to us in present day America.

Aiii, don't let me get started on the Victorian ideas about sex, please! ;)

Puritan ideals about sex were? In your opinion?

It was an era that understood that adultery was dangerous to the fabric of their society, and regarded out-of-wedlock births as a bad thing; but sex itself? Whoo-eee! Go on! Have a good time!

Just be married (or at least engaged - see "bundling")!

re: #136 UberInfidel67

**OT*** I got a situation. Any Cincy lizards here?

Minneapolis. Is that close enough?

Seems I'm the go-to guy tonight for problem-solving. Not you guys, but I'm getting all kinds of phone calls and text messages from friends with one issue or another tonight.

re: #95 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM! How are you my friend? Uh, who is
"alpine lizard"?
Oh and when you get a chance, please check your e-mail!

re: #139 Dianna

Why do you keep arguing my talking points about this, eh? I don't disagree with anything you have said, you know. :)

re: #129 Boogberg

How the hell does this indicate that I'm scared of something Jesus said?

You said his followers' fundamentalism sucked. Which is typically a bad connotation.

re: #134 realwest

I have several Muslim "acquaintances" (I don't trust them).
I have already caught them feeding me the standard taqiya BS, called them on it.
Your friends have got to man up and oppose Evil. Evil has to be opposed, even in the smallest way. We can't carry their jock forever. If they can't find the way to do that while our service people are being killed, then, I have zero sympathy for them, they are finished one way or the other.

There ain't nothing but road kill in the middle of the highway.

re: #141 realwest

Checking now, my brother...

re: #123 jonahsand

Jonah you missed a couple questions or you are ignoring them from the previous thread you posted in tonight.

Why do you think Rick Warren dissappeared those pages down the memory hole?

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

Then they can be informants.

re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans
LOL! As Woody Allen - playing a convicted wanabee bank robber said - sitting in his jail cell, to the shrink who had just asked him "Do you think sex is dirty?" to which Woody replied, after some thought "Well it is if you're doing it right!"
ROTFLMAO!

re: #123 jonahsand

Keep dinging away while you can. I suspect your tenure here will be brief.

re: #140 Noam Sayin'Thanx Noam but I need Cincy. My sister has been sitting in traffic for 4 hours trying to get INTO Cincy from Nashville. Traffic has stopped and no one knows why. She is with my 10 year old nephew and on her way here. Anyone know where I can get an accurate up to the minute traffic report? I'm ttrying to see what I can find out for her.

William Penn, the founder and mayor of Philadelphia, had two aunts - Hattie and Sophia - who were skilled in the baking arts. One day, "Big Bill" was petitioned by the citizens of his town because the three bakeries in the town had, during the Revolution, raised the price of pies to the point that only the rich could afford them.

Not wanting to challenge the bakeries directly, he turned to his aunts and asked their advice. But when they had heard the story, the two old ladies were so incensed over the situation that they offered to bake 100 pies themselves, and sell them for 2 cents lower that any of the bakeries were charging.

It was a roaring success. Their pies sold out quickly, and very soon they had managed to bring down the price of all kinds of pastry in Philadelphia.

In fact, even to this very day, their acheivements are remembered as the remarkable Pie rates of Penn's aunts.

re: #135 Lynn B.

Fascinating and frightening. It's becoming increasingly obvious that while this country has slept contentedly under the umbrella of its powerful nuclear deterrent, it's been bombarded daily with an invisible hailstorm of disinformation that's working to erode the foundations of our democracy and our republic. It's been going on for a long, long time.

We need to become much more agile and adept at recognizing the information attacks and we need to do it quickly or we're going to lose this war. It's as simple as that.

Now we can see that this attack takes many different forms, but it all comes to the same juncture- it's anti-American at it's core in that it's undermining our founding ideals. Freedom has many foes, and sunlight is our friend.

re: #142 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why do you keep arguing my talking points about this, eh? I don't disagree with anything you have said, you know. :)

I'm purely curious, not disagreeing!

re: #148 realwest

Good one-and Good Evening, RW. Seasons Greetings to all those of scaley persuasion...:>)

There are two guys who have been lost in the desert for weeks, and they're at death's door. As they stumble on, hoping for salvation in the form of an oasis or something similar, they suddenly spy, through the heat haze, a small tree off in the distance.
As they get closer, they can see that the tree is draped with rasher upon rasher of bacon. There's smoked bacon, crispy bacon, life-giving juicy nearly-raw bacon, all sorts. And the smell... oh, the glorious smell!"
"Look Pepe," says the first man. "It's a bacon tree!"
"You're right!" says Pepe, "We're saved!"
Pepe doesn't wait another second. He runs up to the tree salivating at the prospect of food. But just as he gets to within five feet of the tree, there's the sound of machine gun fire, and he is shot down in a hail of bullets.
His friend quickly drops down on the sand, and calls across to the dying Pepe.
"Pepe! Pepe! What on earth happened?"
And with his dying breath Pepe calls back: "Ugh, run, run! It's not a Bacon Tree after all..."

"...its a ham bush!"

Ack!

The black mutt has farted, and I must flee for a few minutes!

Ack!

It's after midnight here, so it's nearing Christmas eve. Someone post that Norad link again...

re: #116 JacksonTn Well, as I said, one of them became a US Citizen and has thoroughly assimilated - the other has maintained his Pakistani citizenship but has assismilated quite well, too.
Neither one of them anticipates or wants the US to save Pakistan - they want Pakistan to do it for itself.
Needless to say,neither of them have had anything good to say about any of Pakistan's leaders since 9/11.

re: #155 Dustyvet

There are two guys who have been lost in the desert for weeks, and they're at death's door. As they stumble on, hoping for salvation in the form of an oasis or something similar, they suddenly spy, through the heat haze, a small tree off in the distance.
As they get closer, they can see that the tree is draped with rasher upon rasher of bacon. There's smoked bacon, crispy bacon, life-giving juicy nearly-raw bacon, all sorts. And the smell... oh, the glorious smell!"
"Look Pepe," says the first man. "It's a bacon tree!"
"You're right!" says Pepe, "We're saved!"
Pepe doesn't wait another second. He runs up to the tree salivating at the prospect of food. But just as he gets to within five feet of the tree, there's the sound of machine gun fire, and he is shot down in a hail of bullets.
His friend quickly drops down on the sand, and calls across to the dying Pepe.
"Pepe! Pepe! What on earth happened?"
And with his dying breath Pepe calls back: "Ugh, run, run! It's not a Bacon Tree after all..."

"...its a ham bush!"

LMAO!

re: #151 Dustyvet

Groan! :O

re: #157 Thanos

It's after midnight here, so it's nearing Christmas eve. Someone post that Norad link again...

This one?

re: #119 jaunte
Good night juante - sleep well my friend.

re: #156 Dianna

Ack!

The black mutt has farted, and I must flee for a few minutes!

Ack!

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[Link: www.noradsanta.org...]

re: #143 Mich-again

You said his followers' fundamentalism sucked. Which is typically a bad connotation.

Wrong. More like fundamentalist followers. Plenty of Christians who aren't fundamentalist assholes. I'm sorry for calling you a motherfucker, btw.

re: #158 realwest

Your friends could be of immediate and invaluable service to our intelligence services, which are in dire need of linguistic assistance. Whatever money they are making in the US, it could be doubled or better.

re: #153 Dianna

I'm purely curious, not disagreeing!

In a nutshell I know the Puritans were not the prudish group historians like to paint them as, but I still don't find their attitudes and ideals about sex to be all that commendatory. Rather worldly even, given their expressed ideals of trying to be holy and religious. It is that schizophrenic dichotomy that has been detrimental to America, in my opinion.

And I was not saying you were disagreeing with me; in fact you were agreeing with me by arguing talking points I would have expressed.

Ok? ;)

re: #160 jonahsand

I asked why you think he pulled the pages, you are being coy. Why do you think he flushed those pages? Do you think he might be going from apolitical to political, from religious to areligious, or do you think he's just worried about blowing the Oprah endorsement for his next book? What's your theory since you complained so much?

re: #150 UberInfidel67

Thanx Noam but I need Cincy. My sister has been sitting in traffic for 4 hours trying to get INTO Cincy from Nashville. Traffic has stopped and no one knows why. She is with my 10 year old nephew and on her way here. Anyone know where I can get an accurate up to the minute traffic report? I'm ttrying to see what I can find out for her.

Is she coming up 75 from Kentucky? You could try calling the KY or OH state police.

re: #146 Thanos

Jonah you missed a couple questions or you are ignoring them from the previous thread you posted in tonight.

Why do you think Rick Warren dissappeared those pages down the memory hole?

I don't know- I liked your Oprah theory, though.

re: #155 Dustyvet

Double groan! :D

re: #150 UberInfidel67

Open this page - Your text to link... -change the map to Cincinnati-and then click traffic. That is one suggestion, the other would be to google for a cicinnati online station

re: #171 Sharmuta

I don't know- I liked your Oprah theory, though.

What is the latest Oprah Conspiracy theory tonight? ;)

re: #167 rawmuse

Your friends could be of immediate and invaluable service to our intelligence services, which are in dire need of linguistic assistance. Whatever money they are making in the US, it could be doubled or better.

But, they probably know that.

re: #150 UberInfidel67

Thanx Noam but I need Cincy. My sister has been sitting in traffic for 4 hours trying to get INTO Cincy from Nashville. Traffic has stopped and no one knows why. She is with my 10 year old nephew and on her way here. Anyone know where I can get an accurate up to the minute traffic report? I'm ttrying to see what I can find out for her.

Cincy Traffic.

re: #164 Dustyvet

[Link: www.hazmatrocks.com...]

Once, after four of us had been forced to run outside after one of her farts, a friend affixed a sign to her crate:

Caution! Air Hazard. Wear mask.

NORAD TRACKS SANTA...

[Link: www.noradsanta.org...]

re: #174 jonahsand

So what was your beef then? This is a political blog if you haven't noticed. Charles tends to point out a lot of people's hypocrisy. Why the rumbling in a long dead thread about what Charles should or shouldn't post if it was indeed political? Do you think we ought to ignore front groups like ISNA and MPAC?

Welcome home!
USS Ohio SSGN-726

The submarine USS Ohio returned to Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor on Monday after 14 months of what its former commander called "action-thriller movie" missions in the western Pacific Ocean.

The Ohio, the oldest of 18 Trident ballistic subs, was the first of four to be converted to carry conventional cruise missiles and special forces.

A job well done! I sleep better knowing this ship and other like it are out there.

re: #174 jonahsand

Again, he pulled the pages to appease Obama, who has been hearing grief from gays and secularists about the choice. I agree, he's politicizing (and sanitizing) his theology as he enters the political arena. Not terribly surprising.

And that doesn't concern you about his motives? I know I certainly find such shenanigans to be very suspicious.

re: #177 jcm

Cincy Traffic.

This one shows a jam factor of 7.4 on I-71 northbound.

I see that meltdown coming, coming down the line...

re: #181 jonahsand

WTF does that even mean?

re: #181 jonahsand

Uh- your mask is slipping there just a bit.

re: #184 Ward Cleaver

This one shows a jam factor of 7.4 on I-71 northbound.

Much better.

re: #188 jcm

Much better.

Link that is not, traffic.

re: #156 Dianna

Ack!

The black mutt has farted, and I must flee for a few minutes!

Ack!

So that's where Saddam hid the WMDs.

re: #184 Ward Cleaver

This one shows a jam factor of 7.4 on I-71 northbound.

Ouch :(

The Supreme Court has ruled that they cannot have a nativity scene in Washington, D.C. This wasn't for any religious reasons. They couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.

re: #174 jonahsand

Again, he pulled the pages to appease Obama, who has been hearing grief from gays and secularists about the choice. I agree, he's politicizing (and sanitizing) his theology as he enters the political arena. Not terribly surprising.

Why is this not surprising? Is this the way you expect a man of faith to act? Why should he care what Obama thinks? Why should he care what gay and secularist Americans think? He never has before. Either he's a cold, calculating opportunist whose faith takes a back seat to fame and fortune or he's got a spiritual agenda that differs from the one he projects to the people who lavish him with their trust and their treasure.

Either way, your support of him is suspect.

re: #181 jonahsand

Is there a chance Santa is a creationist?

Perhaps not...flying reindeer sounds like the result of mutation and natural selection.

This is your idea of "reform from within"?

re: #190 Cygnus

So that's where Saddam hid the WMDs.

I've thought so!

Though I do admit, there is little funnier in the world than four people fleeing a room, coughing and gagging, while a medium black mutt looks embarrassed.

re: #151 Dustyvet

BOOO!

/snicker

re: #128 Mich-again
God.

re: #188 jcm

Much better.

I was just reading the news from Dayton, and they've had some icy weather, too. Not good.

re: #194 Sharmuta

Naw, he just showed up to piss on Santa Claus on Christmas eve.

re: #167 rawmuse
And your reason for believing they are not is ?

re: #199 Thanos

Naw, he just showed up to piss on Santa Claus on Christmas eve.

Guess who's getting coal in their stocking!

re: #199 Thanos

Naw, he just showed up to piss on Santa Claus on Christmas eve.

Is this official Whack a Troll time now? ;)

re: #199 Thanos

Naw, he just showed up to piss on Santa Claus on Christmas eve.

Even my eight-year-old still believes in Santa. Don't know how long she'll keep the faith.

re: #200 realwest

And your reason for believing they are not is ?

Your own writings.

re: #202 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is this official Whack a Troll time now? ;)

Without Mandy, I'm not sure it's official.

re: #204 rawmuse

May I ask if you and realwest are arguing?

re: #202 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is this official Whack a Troll time now? ;)

Last one wasn't very filling was it?

re: #193 Lynn B.
Well,

Either he's a cold, calculating opportunist whose faith takes a back seat to fame and fortune or he's got a spiritual agenda that differs from the one he projects to the people who lavish him with their trust and their treasure.

I dibs the former, not the latter.

re: #205 Lynn B.

Without Mandy, I'm not sure it's official.

Party pooper! *BOO* ;)

re: #206 Macker

May I ask if you and realwest are arguing?

No, we are reasoning together.

re: #207 jcm

Last one wasn't very filling was it?

Less filling and tasted like crap...Troll Lite it was. ;)

re: #192 Dustyvet

The Supreme Court has ruled that they cannot have a nativity scene in Washington, D.C. This wasn't for any religious reasons. They couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.

They could, however, find plenty of sheep.
/Sheeple, that is.

re: #209 FurryOldGuyJeans

Party pooper! *BOO* ;)

Hey, official isn't everything ...

re: #210 rawmuse

No, we are reasoning together.

I heard quieter dog and cat fights. ;)

re: #211 FurryOldGuyJeans

Less filling and tasted like crap...Troll Lite it was. ;)

LOL!

re: #150 UberInfidel67

Could it be this?

re: #202 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, no, not yet. We have to fatten him up first. Remember?

re: #201 jcm

Guess who's getting coal in their stocking!

Or maybe some nice fresh reindeer doo-doo.

Gotta hit the sack. Everyone else is out like a light, and tomorrow night we'll be wrapping Christmas gifts (that usually keeps us up until 1:00 or 2:00am). Oh joy.

re: #217 BlueCanuck

No, no, not yet. We have to fatten him up first. Remember?

Fattened Troll just doesn't sound all that appetizing, you know. ;)

Jonahsand, yesterday:

My quarrel therefore is with the sheer volume of creationist posts compared with radical Islam posts. I feel like the latter remains the more pressing threat that demands lots more attention than it has been getting recently.

1) I'm sick of my schools, which I pay freaking taxes for, teaching bull-baloney non-science. Or hearing other kids aren't getting a quality education in my own freaking country because you nuts think your ideology is far superior than proven science

2) You douchebags keep bringing up the crazy whenever we talk about creationism, and it almost blinds me in rage that you morons cannot disprove a damn thing we say, and somehow, somehow you guys end up controlling some political post that again reaches our kids. Or these guys' kids, cause I don't have any... You get the point.

So Jonah -- if Rick Warren believes those things, is he being dishonest by taking them down? Does a pastor owe it to their church to be honest? If he believes those things shouldn't he still be proselytizing them, or are you saying he's a politician now, and not a pastor?

A little village of Trids (like Smurfs only green) had built their water well on
the top of a hill. An evil troll took over the hill and wouldn't let the Trids
get any water. Every Trid that went up the hill was kicked down by the troll.
Frustrated, the Trids asked the local Rabbi for help. He climbed the hill and
got the water without any trouble from the troll. When he went back up the hill he
asked the troll why he had not kicked him down the hill. The troll replied:
Silly rabbi, kicks are for Trids.

re: #219 Ward Cleaver
Y'all unwrap your Christmas presents on Christmas Eve?
Well, whateve, have a good night Ward, sleep well.

re: #208 realwest

Well,

I dibs the former, not the latter.

You've got dibs.

I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop.

re: #220 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fattened Troll just doesn't sound all that appetizing, you know. ;)

Yeah, I know. But it tenderizes better on the BBQ. Besides it's all in how it's brined and seasoned first.

re: #150 UberInfidel67

This might help, too!

re: #216 LeePro

Could it be this?

Yep, I'll bet it's the ice. We had a little bit in areas here this morning (around Dallas), and it caused a ten-car pileup this morning in Frisco, on TX 121.

re: #221 SWPaul

You do know remembering what trolls have said previously is considered boorish and uncouth of you.

But what the hell, it sure is fun watching the scurrying of the cockroaches from the suddenly turned-on light. ;)

re: #224 realwest

Y'all unwrap your Christmas presents on Christmas Eve?
Well, whateve, have a good night Ward, sleep well.

No, June and I will be up late wrapping them, after the kids are in bed. Fun.

re: #227 jonahsand

You're not a creationist, you just like to complain about creationist posts.

/sounds about as honest as Rick Warren

re: #222 Thanos
"or are you saying he's a politician now, and not a pastor?"
I don't know if he's actually saying that, but I think that's what he means.
In any event Rick Warren is a politician now, far more than he is a pastor, as far as I'm concerned.

re: #214 FurryOldGuyJeans

I heard quieter dog and cat fights. ;)

I want it to be known that I have nothing but respect for RealWest.

But, these friends of his are another matter. It is possible they are what he says, but if they are here in the US, making USA money, enjoying USA freedoms and security, sending that money back to Obscuristan, and at the same time NOT helping us defeat these murderous jihadi bastards, WHILE at the same time they bitch about them in the safety of the USA, well, I have the lowest opinion of them. At best, they are cowards.

At worst, they are collaborators.

re: #223 Dustyvet

Groan...

/white smoke...

re: #227 jonahsand

Buddy, you support Warren, I'll lump you wherever I feel like it.

Question: if you aren't a creationist, and you feel so strongly about Charles not posting more about the Islamic fringe, why get into creationist discussions?

re: #227 jonahsand

I hate to break this to you, but- we weren't born yesterday. Your first handful of posts were complaints about what gets posted on this blog. Then you tell us you believe in "reform from within". We've seen this before, and it's the same old soft shoe.

re: #232 Thanos

You're not a creationist, you just like to complain about creationist posts.

/sounds about as honest as Rick Warren

At least he can't disappear any inconvenient previous talking points down the memory hole like Paster Warren has done recently.

re: #234 rawmuse

You better wake up that dead leg I was pulling on so hard, you know. ;)

re: #239 jonahsand

Then why are you complaining about it?

re: #237 Sharmuta

I hate to break this to you, but- we weren't born yesterday. Your first handful of posts were complaints about what gets posted on this blog. Then you tell us you believe in "reform from within". We've seen this before, and it's the same old soft shoe.

Can't be soft shoe since the smell from all that putrid filth previously posted is gag-reflex inducing.

re: #239 jonahsand

Maher? Who's that?

re: #177 jcmThat one was perfect. Thank you. Seems there was a bottleneck...moving smoothly now.Thanks again : )

Santa sighted doing a warmup trip...

re: #243 Thanos

Maher? Who's that?

I would SWAG it out to be Bill Maher, not that I can see the connection since he is not an ordained minister that I know of, nor a widely recognized spiritual adviser either.

re: #216 LeePro
That's exactly what was happening to her. All better now

re: #244 UberInfidel67

That one was perfect. Thank you. Seems there was a bottleneck...moving smoothly now.Thanks again : )

Good news!

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'm thinking it's Bill as well, but want to be sure

re: #243 Thanos

I think he means Bill Maher, which now makes him the expert about everything. We owe him apologies and milkshakes.
/

re: #231 Ward Cleaver
AH, now I understand! Good luck tomorrow night and sleep well tonight and if I don't get the chance to see you tomorrow, I wish you and yours a MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY, HEALTHY NEW YEAR!
Now get some sleep my friend, you'll need your rest for tomorrow night!

re: #249 jonahsand

Because frankly I find it dull. It's too easy a target. I also do not buy the slippery slope theory that Christians and Islamists are linking up over creationism now, terrorism later. Creationism is a bad thing and should be opposed, whether peddled by Islamists or Christians. But to have posts about creationism standing next to posts about bombings in Mumbai and Tel Aviv are sometimes jarring.

Then quit reading the stuff you are finding dull. This ain't your blog where you get to dictate your whims.

re: #249 jonahsand

Right. but you've spent 20+ posts on them, if you cared about terrorism wouldn't you be talking about that instead?

What did Mullah Omar say today? Who is JeM and what happened with them today? Do you know ?

re: #251 SWPaul

I think he means Bill Maher, which now makes him the expert about everything. We owe him apologies and milkshakes.
/

jonahsand can't keep from digging himself deeper past bedrock, it appears. Yeesh!

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, and haven't been very active here lately, but this Warren guy seems to have problems in every direction. He doesn't seem to have a clue about anything.

re: #227 jonahsand

I'm not a creationist. Don't "you people" me.

He didn't say, "you people."
He said, "you douchebags," "you morons," and "you nuts."
Try to pay attention, you person.

re: #239 jonahsand

Yes, he is being dishonest. He is a dishonest Christian fundamentalist preacher. Add him to the pile.

He will be seduced by the trappings of political power. He will be corrupted, and he will make alliances that make more political sense than spiritual sense. He is a fraud, like Robertson, like Falwell, like Sharpton and Jackson.

Look, I'm a big Maher watcher so you can tell where I'm coming from. The notion that Christian preachers can be corrupt and hypocritical is nothing novel to me.

"Maher" equals "yuck." Why do you watch that idiot?

re: #256 Bacchus's daddy

Right on that! So it's plenty fair to administer some cluebat.

re: #256 Bacchus's daddy

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, and haven't been very active here lately, but this Warren guy seems to have problems in every direction. He doesn't seem to have a clue about anything.

That's what happens when you start pandering.

BTW, I am well aware that there's a difference between politeness and pandering.

re: #234 rawmuse
As I've said before, you certainly have your right to your opinions, even though I don't share them.

re: #249 jonahsand

Complaining that posts on creationism/creationists are boring is not "reform from within", but rather they're usually a short, one way ticket.

re: #260 Dianna

That's what happens when you start pandering.

BTW, I am well aware that there's a difference between politeness and pandering.

The Worldly Gospel sure is more attractive to Warren now.