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Baptist Pastor/Nirther: 'God Will Punish' Rick Warren

US News | Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:35:46 pm PST

He’s a nirth certifikit Truther and a Southern Baptist pastor, and he says God is going to punish Rick Warren.

God was unavailable for comment.

BUENA PARK — Southern Baptist Pastor Wiley Drake bashed Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren this week, saying “God will punish” Warren for agreeing to give the invocation at President-elect Barack Obama’s inauguration next month.

“I pray He is kind to you in this punishment that is coming,” Drake wrote in a widely-released e-mail. In it, the First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park pastor criticizes Warren’s “recent plan to invoke the presence of almighty God on this evil illegal alien,” a reference to Obama.

Drake, who made last November’s ballot as a vice-presidential candidate for the American Independent party, is a party to a lawsuit claiming Obama was born outside of the U.S., and is therefore ineligible to serve as president. Obama has a Hawaiian birth certificate, which Hawaiian officials have said is genuine.

Drake said Warren, also a Southern Baptist minister, is “hurting our denomination, and the Lord’s work.”

He continued: “God will deal with you on this ... God will not wink at this.”

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1 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:37:01pm

It's a winter solstice moonbat convergence!

2 little boomer  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:38:01pm

He could've picked a better day for his pronouncements on what the supreme being will or will not do!

3 Bobibutu  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:38:20pm

God - if there is one - does not work on this level. This is human stuff.

4 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:40:04pm

Merry Christmas!

5 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:40:46pm

Dear Reverend Drake: Check your Bible. Only prophets get to announce God's punishment on people. Are you now claiming to be a prophet?

Just asking.

6 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:41:16pm

Jesus didn't have a birth certificate.

7 HelloDare  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:42:00pm
"God will punish Rick Warren"

That begs the question, what the hell did Pastor Wiley Drake do to be made such an idiot.

8 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:42:01pm

The punishment that seems sufficient is taking away Warren's donuts and making him do some sit ups......And to you, Mich-again.

9 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:42:48pm

How does that joke about Southern Baptists in Heaven go? Something about a dark room and believing they're the only ones up there...

10 notutopia  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:44:26pm

Now This is somewhat comical to me....
Two pastors, both scheming One is bashing and criticizing
the other with the punishment of God. Priceless and audacious of Drake!
And when and where did you get your powers Drake?

11 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:44:33pm

I mean just in those two people, we have dino-human walk-together young earth creationists, hate-the-sin-not-the-sinner homophobes, meet-with-unindited-jihadi-fundraising-coconspirat ors useful idiots, Illegal Aliobama nirth certifikat truthers, and calling-divine-wrath-down-from-God holy cursers!

The corucopia has cracked wide open! It's an idiotarian smorgasbord!

A real nutball buffet. And they're eating their own.

12 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:44:53pm

re: #1 Salamantis

It's a winter solstice moonbat convergence!

And they left their guano all over the floor.

13 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:46:05pm

re: #11 Salamantis

I mean just in those two people, we have dino-human walk-together young earth creationists, hate-the-sin-not-the-sinner homophobes, meet-with-unindited-jihadi-fundraising-coconspirat ors useful idiots, Illegal Aliobama nirth certifikat truthers, and calling-divine-wrath-down-from-God holy cursers!

The corucopia has cracked wide open! It's an idiotarian smorgasbord!

A real nutball buffet. And they're eating their own.

LMAO! Concise, well-written, and very funny. Thank you, Sal, and Merry Christmas!

14 Bobibutu  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:46:16pm

re: #10 notutopia

Now This is somewhat comical to me....
Two pastors, both scheming One is bashing and criticizing
the other with the punishment of God. Priceless and audacious of Drake!
And when and where did you get your powers Drake?

Follow the money.

15 notutopia  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:46:32pm

re: #11 Salamantis

Most Excellent Sal !

16 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:46:47pm

Idiot fight!

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:47:12pm

re: #6 Mich-again

Virgin Nirth!

18 jcm  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:47:57pm

re: #11 Salamantis

I mean just in those two people, we have dino-human walk-together young earth creationists, hate-the-sin-not-the-sinner homophobes, meet-with-unindited-jihadi-fundraising-coconspirat ors useful idiots, Illegal Aliobama nirth certifikat truthers, and calling-divine-wrath-down-from-God holy cursers!

The corucopia has cracked wide open! It's an idiotarian smorgasbord!

A real nutball buffet. And they're eating their own.

ROFLMAO!

19 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:48:55pm
21 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:50:34pm

re: #11 Salamantis

I mean just in those two people, we have dino-human walk-together young earth creationists, hate-the-sin-not-the-sinner homophobes, meet-with-unindited-jihadi-fundraising-coconspirat ors useful idiots, Illegal Aliobama nirth certifikat truthers, and calling-divine-wrath-down-from-God holy cursers!

The corucopia has cracked wide open! It's an idiotarian smorgasbord!

A real nutball buffet. And they're eating their own.

That's...quite a description of Warren and Drake! Heh heh!

22 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:51:24pm

re: #20 HelloDare

Pastor Wiley Drake has an on-line radio show. You can call in or email your questions.

First question: Who made you God's primary spokesman? Wouldn't God have chosen someone who isn't an asshat?

23 notutopia  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:51:25pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Sounds like Barney Frank...re: #19 Killgore Trout

ding fries are done

24 jcm  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:52:50pm
25 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:53:15pm

re: #23 notutopia

Heh, it's oneof those clips that have been so circulated I'm not sure anyone knows where it came from.

26 notutopia  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:54:24pm

[Link: www.noradsanta.org...]
Santa just passed over my house!....Damn!

27 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:55:07pm

Hey Charles - wasn't on LGF most of the day so I don't know when you put up the Christmas tree, but thank you!

28 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:55:37pm
29 notutopia  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:55:52pm

re: #27 realwest
Real, Santa just flew over Charlotte!

30 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:56:15pm

re: #26 notutopia
Uh, y'all live in Northern Canada?!

31 HelloDare  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:56:28pm

Pastor Drake is looking for sponsors.

CALL IN AND SHARE YOUR OPINION, OR ASK QUESTIONS

WILEY "HOT LINE" During Show ---1-xxx-xxx-xxxx

Wiley Drake in Buena Park

Join us on the "Wiley Drake in Buena Park" show Monday thru Thursday at 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. California time. [Link: www.crusaderadio.com...]

The theme of the show is Do Justice, Love Mercy, and Walk with God. This theme is based on Micah 6:8 and Matthew 23:23.

From time to time we broadcast the show live on location. Much of this has been done from outside courtrooms as we stand for justice, and against injustices.

If you would like us to broadcast live with you let us know, we have studio will travel.

Another feature of our show is to highlight ministries and businesses that serve the christian community. If you would like to be on the show let us know. You can e-mail me at wileydrake@hotmail.com or call[no phone numbers allowed]

We would love to have your ministry or business sponser our show.

32 Teacake!  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:56:41pm

LOL Rick Warren - wonder how many Rick Warrens there are . As if there aren't some truly evil humans ahead in the line. lolol and the pastor thinking he knows what's on the priority list. Hysterical. I think my neighbor is worse than this dude, but his name is not easily as pronounceable.

33 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:56:59pm

re: #6 Mich-again

Jesus didn't have a birth certificate.

Are we going to start that again? Whoops sorry...that's Hopey-Changie...

34 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:57:03pm

re: #24 jcm

"I thought about it for 5 days and did the job in 1."
/Heh

35 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:57:33pm

re: #11 Salamantis

hate-the-sin-not-the-sinner homophobes

Um...no.

You may be a homophobe, or you may hate the sin but not the sinner.

Your remark is unjust.

36 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:57:55pm

re: #33 Dustyvet

Changey Hopemas!

37 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:58:00pm

What a freaking unbiblical moron this twit is. Jesus hung out with hookers and tax collectors who were good of heart. What's this nozzle's problem?

38 notutopia  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:58:10pm

re: #28 MandyManners

Link broken.

39 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:58:13pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

"I thought about it for 5 days and did the job in 1."
/Heh

He really thought about it for 6 days and did it in one...:)

40 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:58:32pm

I'm a Southern Baptist, and I don't remember seeing this man at any of the staff meetings....!

/Seriously, Rev, just chill. You're making the rest of us look bad

41 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:59:37pm

re: #37 Quilly Mammoth

What a freaking unbiblical moron this twit is. Jesus hung out with hookers and tax collectors who were good of heart. What's this nozzle's problem?

Hubris.

42 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:59:50pm

And I thank God that it won't be Wiley Drake's judgment I face on that day of reckoning.

43 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:59:55pm

re: #35 Dianna

Um...no.

You may be a homophobe, or you may hate the sin but not the sinner.

Your remark is unjust.

Saying you hate homosexuality but not homosexualis is like saying you hate femininity but not women, or blackness but not blacks.

44 winston06  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:00:05pm

what god?

45 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:00:25pm

re: #39 Dustyvet

It's an interesting scene to watch. Burns is sharp, Denver is out of his league.

46 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:00:26pm

re: #29 notutopia
Well actually he flew over it about 20 minutes or so ago - sure didn't stay long and stayed even less in NYC! LOL!

47 jcm  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:00:26pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

"I thought about it for 5 days and did the job in 1."
/Heh

Earth is only 1000 years old!

48 little boomer  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:14pm

Merry (EST) Christmas!

49 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:18pm

re: #31 HelloDare

Pastor Drake is looking for sponsors.

Maybe Wiley Drake Coyote can get the Acme Company to sponsor him! Though that might make Barack Obama the Roadrunner. That might work however: since Wiley Coyote often ends up under the bus.

50 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:25pm

of God's mad at Warren, I can only guess how much trouble the Reverend Fred Phelps of Westboro baptist Church is in...:)

51 favorednation  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:35pm

I ever got my "nirth" hat tip..... hmmmmm

52 LEGION  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:36pm

MERRY CHRISTMAS! From the East Coast- first in the US! Ho Ho Ho!

53 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:37pm

re: #43 Salamantis

Saying you hate homosexuality but not homosexualis is like saying you hate femininity but not women, or blackness but not blacks.

Don't be an ass.

I know any number of christians who disapprove, whole-heartedly, of homosexuality. They would never dream, however, of being even mildly unkind to the homosexuals of their acquaintance.

I know it's really comforting to see the world in simple, black and white terms, but that isn't how it is.

54 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:40pm

At times like this, it just seems that being an atheist makes a lot of sense.

55 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:42pm

BOGIE!

Six miles out, closing fast. Radar reads as flying deer pulling sleigh. All Children report to your bedrooms, this is not a drill!

56 favorednation  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:01:55pm

and I've been patient.

57 notutopia  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:02:04pm

Hre: #46 realwest

He's in Greenland now....slow warp speed... The reindeer are getting a little tired.

58 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:02:16pm

re: #37 Quilly Mammoth

He didn't really "hang out" with them; He entered their lives with the intention of changing them. He wasn't "cool," but more like a bucket of ice-cold water over their heads.

59 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:02:33pm

Oh, and by the way, Chappy Channukah.

60 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:02:53pm

Merry Christmas.

Well, I've been driving around, to the country hospital to get my BP medications, and to blockbuster to get a box set for my girlfriends and I LOST marathon.

Gee, those drivers are so fucking nice, trying to help me move over to the shoulder, or getting right up on my rear end so I they can help use thier lights so I can see better.

And the guy at blockbuster, where I was PURCHASING a 50 dollar box set, asked me for my Blockbuster card, and when I told him I didn't have it on me, then he wanted my drivers liceinse. Gosh, you thought I was purchasing a car.

How's all of you in Lizard land?

Walter in Thorton Colorado at his girlfriends, waiting fer her to get home from work.

61 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:03:21pm

Like I'm sure this guy knows what brand of mayonnaise God uses too.

62 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:03:26pm

re: #53 Dianna

Don't be an ass.

I know any number of christians who disapprove, whole-heartedly, of homosexuality. They would never dream, however, of being even mildly unkind to the homosexuals of their acquaintance.

I know it's really comforting to see the world in simple, black and white terms, but that isn't how it is.

I guess compartmentalization can be a blessing; it sure avoids the curse of cognitive dissonance...

63 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:03:26pm

re: #38 notutopia

Link broken.

[Link: www.joe-ks.com...]

64 HelloDare  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:03:32pm
He continued: “God will deal with you on this ... God will not wink at this.”

I got 20 bucks that says God winks.

65 albusteve  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:03:46pm

on second thought I'm gonna have another drink and wait for Gods op/ed on this one....

66 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:03:48pm

re: #48 little boomer
HEY, INDEED - Merry Christmas to you and all Eastern Time Zone Lizards!

67 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:04:41pm

re: #62 Salamantis

I guess compartmentalization can be a blessing; it sure avoids the curse of cognitive dissonance...

You must have to compartmentalize madly, then! (this is a joke)

Sal, give it a rest, will you? Your determination to demonize views you don't agree with tires me.

68 albusteve  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:04:46pm

re: #54 SFGoth

At times like this, it just seems that being an atheist makes a lot of sense.

ho ho ho...best line of the week!....nooo shit amigo...

69 rain of lead  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:04:49pm

Hey Mandy.
got a great christmas book for the kid
santa's twin
it is about two girls who save christmas from santa's evil twin Bob
did not know there was a part 2 but I am getting it asap for next year

70 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:05:10pm

re: #43 Salamantis

Saying you hate homosexuality but not homosexualis is like saying you hate femininity but not women, or blackness but not blacks.

Ditto Dianna's response above, and I will also add that I despise the victimhood, white-laws-don't-apply-to-us culture that way too many blacks have adopted. Likewise the fake "feminism" that Phyllis Chesler opposes at every turn.

71 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:05:28pm

re: #62 Salamantis

I guess compartmentalization can be a blessing; it sure avoids the curse of cognitive dissonance...

Can you not separate an action from an actor?

72 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:05:37pm

"And this just in to the newsroom, a rash of thefts were reported during the night. Glasses of milk and plates of cookies were reported missing from several locations, we'll have a live report at 7:00 PM."

73 stuck in california  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:05:43pm

Have a great Christmas everyone!

74 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:05:56pm

re: #53 Dianna


I know it's really comforting to see the world in simple, black and white terms, but that isn't how it is.

Good points Diana, but be careful; That last sentence came across as sniping and Salamantis deserves better than that. You don't want get into it with him, his wit is fairly sharp.

75 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:06:06pm

re: #71 MandyManners

Oh, interesting!

The very thing I wish to do...

76 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:06:15pm

re: #66 realwest

HEY, INDEED - Merry Christmas to you and all Eastern Time Zone Lizards!

Santa may have a problem in Illinois, Blogo wants a $100,000 for the fly over.

77 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:07:19pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

Good points Diana, but be careful; That last sentence came across as sniping and Salamantis deserves better than that. You don't want get into it with him, his wit is fairly sharp.

It's joshing, not sniping. To say nothing of ironic commentary.

78 Steffan  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:07:30pm

I've driven by that church more than once, when I lived in OC and when I've visited the area (my parents moved to the west end of Fullerton when I was 10). It's a fairly nice church.

Too bad they have such a loon as that for a pastor.

Of course, sunny SoCal has had more than its share of fruitcake religious leaders. Garner Ted Armstrong, Gene Scott, and Robert Schuller are or were from here. So is the Trinity Broadcasting Network.

79 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:07:41pm

re: #72 SteveC Uh oh - run for it Mandy! LOL!
I actually think the "chewed up" carrot sticks you left were a really nice touch! Your kid is lucky to have you for a mom and I hope he knows it.

80 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:08:01pm

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

I had traditional Jewish Christmas cuisine (Chinese takeout). Cats ate leftover rockfish. Fireplace lit, snowing outside. Wine, violent video games, LGF, did some varnish work earlier and replaced some purfling on an 18th century Swedish cello earlier.

81 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:08:01pm

re: #76 Dustyvet

Santa may have a problem in Illinois, Blogo wants a $100,000 for the fly over.

Anything for the kids! I've got $5, anyone else got a little they can add?

82 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:08:39pm

re: #58 victor_yugo

He didn't really "hang out" with them; He entered their lives with the intention of changing them. He wasn't "cool," but more like a bucket of ice-cold water over their heads.

Yes, he did hang with them. The two lowest forms of life were those who deliberately broke the commandments (hookers) and those who collected money(tax collectors) that wasn't tithe. These were damned people, who in that age were "not to be associated with". This was true, even if the scales fell off their eyes, to the majority of the populace. Once a whore always a whore, eh?

But Jesus saved them and took them under his arm showing that even the most reviled of us are worthy of saving.

You ought to get a grip on Biblical reality before you show your ignorance.

83 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:08:42pm

re: #78 Steffan

Good heavens! Gene Scott's still around?

He was my grandmother's favorite insomniac entertainment, back in the 70's and early 80's.

84 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:09:26pm

re: #81 SteveC

I should have a rusty old pair of legirons around here someplace.

85 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:09:26pm

re: #76 Dustyvet
No Sweat - Santa can drop LUMPS of coal from 50,00 feet with surprising accuracy! Blago better hide under his bed.....in his house.....in the basement of his house....long as there's no water leak, I mean!

86 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:09:38pm

re: #62 Salamantis

I guess compartmentalization can be a blessing; it sure avoids the curse of cognitive dissonance...

Nice try, but the freedom to disagree without resorting to violence or even deadly force to resolve the differences is the beginning of a civilized, law-based society. Ever heard of "I do not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to say what you will"?

So, Salamantis, if you want to be part of the movement to marginalize Republicans into irrelevance, be my guest. You'll only succeed in marginalizing yourself and a few of your echo-chamber cadre.

87 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:09:38pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

I had traditional Jewish Christmas cuisine (Chinese takeout). Cats ate leftover rockfish. Fireplace lit, snowing outside. Wine, violent video games, LGF, did some varnish work earlier and replaced some purfling on an 18th century Swedish cello earlier.

So you're a fan of Christmas Story? Fa ra ra ra...

88 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:10:10pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

....replaced some purfling on an 18th century Swedish cello earlier.

I have a friend who would be your friend forever if you allowed her to play that cello!

/Yes she knows how!

89 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:10:48pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon Gee, I didn't think it came across as sniping.
Just as part of a discussion.

90 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:10:50pm

re: #67 Dianna

You must have to compartmentalize madly, then! (this is a joke)

Sal, give it a rest, will you? Your determination to demonize views you don't agree with tires me.

When those views are views that demonize others whom the demonizers have never met or who have never harmed them, they deserve my disapproval.

It was the French philosopher Paul Ricoeur who said that the one thing that truly tolerant people could not in all good conscience tolerate and remain tolerant people is the coercive intolerance of others. From there, it is only a few slippery slope steps to first defending those others' intolerance, and then embracing it oneself.

91 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:11:33pm

re: #54 SFGoth

At times like this, it just seems that being an atheist makes a lot of sense.

Sometimes atheism becomes a sect all its own and jumps into the fight. And then poor agnostics like me get shot at from all sides for not being resolute in our religious beliefs!
/oh, boo hoo, yeah right. By the way, someone a few threads back thought I was a goth, apparently.

92 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:12:12pm

re: #76 Dustyvet

Santa may have a problem in Illinois, Blogo wants a $100,000 for the fly over.

re: #81 SteveC

Anything for the kids! I've got $5, anyone else got a little they can add?

Don't worry guys. I hear Santa actually has spent thousands at a coal mine downstate. He needed extra coal in order have enough to put in Blago's stocking.

93 Steffan  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:12:17pm

re: #55 SteveC

BOGIE!

Six miles out, closing fast. Radar reads as flying deer pulling sleigh. All Children report to your bedrooms, this is not a drill!

Just don't stand underneath them as they fly over.....

94 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:13:04pm

re: #93 Steffan

Just don't stand underneath them as they fly over.....

Grandma got run over by a reindeer...walking home from our house Christmas Eve...

95 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:13:09pm

re: #86 victor_yugo

Gee, the Taliban had a very polite society. Not much domestic viol;ence ...unless you count the women toted off to the soccer field for their last goal.

You really don't know much about anything, do you?

96 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:13:09pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

I had traditional Jewish Christmas cuisine (Chinese takeout). Cats ate leftover rockfish. Fireplace lit, snowing outside. Wine, violent video games, LGF, did some varnish work earlier and replaced some purfling on an 18th century Swedish cello earlier.

I spent the whole after noon folding clothes. This woman has more clothes than RuPaul and she washes it an then it get piled up on the floor. I actually filled 9 laundry baskets. The are now neatly stacked along a wall, since she had no where to store that many items of clothing.

This includes a 4 sided walk in closet. And I swear, if she doesn't won over 200 bottles of cosmetics, she owns none.

It's almost frighting. Between the cosmetics and the colthing, I'm not sure what this woman really looks like.

Scary.

97 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:13:17pm

I know it's been said many times, many ways, but can you say it enough these days?
MERRY CHRISTMAS !

98 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:13:18pm

re: #86 victor_yugo

Nice try, but the freedom to disagree without resorting to violence or even deadly force to resolve the differences is the beginning of a civilized, law-based society. Ever heard of "I do not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to say what you will"?

So, Salamantis, if you want to be part of the movement to marginalize Republicans into irrelevance, be my guest. You'll only succeed in marginalizing yourself and a few of your echo-chamber cadre.

Since when did Republicanism and homophobia become synonymous?

People have the right to hold their opinions. And I have the right to have opinions about those opinions.

99 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:13:18pm

re: #93 Steffan
ROTFL!

100 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:13:30pm

re: #91 davinvalkri

Sometimes atheism becomes a sect all its own and jumps into the fight. And then poor agnostics like me get shot at from all sides for not being resolute in our religious beliefs!
/oh, boo hoo, yeah right. By the way, someone a few threads back thought I was a goth, apparently.

I'm a druid, reformed I can pray to small bushes.

Tuttles the name, Capt. Tuttle...

102 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:14:45pm

re: #90 Salamantis

Let me give this a try: Christians believe we are all sinners. Every single one of us, except Jesus Christ. There are also sins, and we are not supposed to embrace sin.

Therefore, we can either learn to love a person while hating an action, and setting aside that kind of judgment that belongs to God*, or we can hate everyone, ourselves and our own children included.

You don't love people because they are good. You are supposed to love people because you are emulating Christ, and He is good.

*As opposed to common sense judgment, like not letting child molesters babysit.

103 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:14:52pm

Hello Night Lizards! It's above Zero in Near Iowa tonite.

Everyone ready for tomorrow morning? Do you leave milk and cookies for Santa. I hear he likes Cheese. I'd think he'd like something a little, er, more adult?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

104 Steffan  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:15:03pm

re: #83 Dianna

Good heavens! Gene Scott's still around?

He was my grandmother's favorite insomniac entertainment, back in the 70's and early 80's.

He died a few years ago, but his widow is running the church now.

I used to love the monkey band.

105 rain of lead  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:15:59pm

Minneapolis alert
santa just entered your airspace

106 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:16:04pm

re: #94 davinvalkri

Grandma got run over by a reindeer...walking home from our house Christmas Eve...

But as for me and Grandpa, we believe.

107 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:16:59pm

re: #101 SteveC

Tonight, 40 years ago: "For all the people on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message we would like to send you."

Thanks! That one got sent to my email list.

108 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:17:03pm

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

Walter, this is a client? Or love interest? If a Love Interest...RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

109 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:17:05pm

re: #105 rain of lead

Minneapolis alert
santa just entered your airspace

Coal Frankin!

110 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:17:07pm

Hey Killgore, nice evening. (BTW, what's your name in reference to? There's one like you on the S.F. Comical site.) I just finally replaced my home computer, which had utterly crapped out on me, with something way more powerful than I need (and to be honest, I don't like movie-screen format screens; I prefer the 4:3 tv size) but at least I can surf and not have the damn thing slow to a crawl after 10 minutes - fan burned out and CPU fried up. Anyway, managed to get connected and here I am. Now to finish loading some software, including Hearts of Iron II (love playing the Wehrmacht) and Civ IV, etwas Deutsch lerne, etwas Wein trinke, und mit dem Katte spiele. Later on I'll pour some Johnnie Walker Gold and plan out tomorrow's Hash House Harriers trail - I always set the run that's closest to Xmas. I'm a Xmas pag (sort of like a Shabbos goy). Then it's head over to the goth club in my new 18th century upper crust outfit - black coat and breeches with a swirl pattern, black and purple waistcoat (sort of a fleur de lys pattern). I really do like being oggled and mentally undressed by women. :->

111 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:17:14pm

re: #103 ggt

Hello Night Lizards! It's above Zero in Near Iowa tonite.

Everyone ready for tomorrow morning? Do you leave milk and cookies for Santa. I hear he likes Cheese. I'd think he'd like something a little, er, more adult?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Our chimney has been blocked by debris since forever, the windows are locked, and I don't think Santa is in good enough shape to break down doors.

And we're talking about some Southern Baptist preacher/idiot who thinks Rick Warren is going to hell.

112 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:17:42pm

re: #90 Salamantis

When those views are views that demonize others whom the demonizers have never met or who have never harmed them, they deserve my disapproval.

It was the French philosopher Paul Ricoeur who said that the one thing that truly tolerant people could not in all good conscience tolerate and remain tolerant people is the coercive intolerance of others. From there, it is only a few slippery slope steps to first defending those others' intolerance, and then embracing it oneself.

Sal...look, you're quite blind to what you do. I figured that out a long time ago; it's like describing water to a rabid creature. But I feel I must try, one more time.

You're wrong about who's intolerant anb demonizing. I think you need to start taking a deep breath and recognizing that, while others may disagree with you about the principles and indeed what constitutes a principle, most civilized human beings (which - shock and outrage! - includes evangelical and even - gasp! - pentecostal Christians) actually focus on the person, first. That is, they love the sinner, whatever they think of the sin.

You are more in danger of falling into the unacceptable category than all too many of the people you dismiss with such disdain.

113 transient  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:17:54pm

Merry Christmas and Happy Cinco de Hanukkah!

114 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:17:56pm

re: #88 SteveC

Your friend would be my friend forever if they bought it. It's not going to be cheap. I've promised it to a dealer in Minnesota but other arrangements can be made. It should be done in about 6-9 months.

115 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:18:23pm

re: #100 Dustyvet
"Will Capt Tuttle please report to the Chaplain's tent?"
I repeat, will Capt Tuttle please report to the Chaplain's tent"!

116 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:19:02pm

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

Chicks are weird about folding clothes, making beds and putting the toilet seat down. I just don't get it.

117 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:19:08pm

re: #91 davinvalkri

I fear that someone was using "goth" to be polite; he didn't want to say "emo."

(Again, this is a joke, a mild poke and mockery, gentle).

118 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:19:10pm

re: #91 davinvalkri

Sometimes atheism becomes a sect all its own and jumps into the fight. And then poor agnostics like me get shot at from all sides for not being resolute in our religious beliefs!
/oh, boo hoo, yeah right. By the way, someone a few threads back thought I was a goth, apparently.

If you like girls in dark make up and tight corsets, you might be.

119 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:19:16pm

re: #111 davinvalkri

Our chimney has been blocked by debris since forever, the windows are locked, and I don't think Santa is in good enough shape to break down doors.

And we're talking about some Southern Baptist preacher/idiot who thinks Rick Warren is going to hell.

Santa will find a way!

I don't know about the preacher or Rick Warren, I'm not G-d.

120 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:19:17pm

It just reminds me of folks who deny they hate the Jews, while attacking the very existence of the Jewish state of Israel.

121 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:19:27pm

re: #110 SFGoth

Off topic:
Civilization IV eh? Do the spearmen still kill tanks?

122 little boomer  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:19:31pm

re: #103 ggt

Hello Night Lizards! It's above Zero in Near Iowa tonite.

Everyone ready for tomorrow morning? Do you leave milk and cookies for Santa. I hear he likes Cheese. I'd think he'd like something a little, er, more adult?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

He likes Romana Sambuca at the Boomer household- and cookies.

123 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:20:19pm

re: #110 SFGoth

My nic is a misspelling of Kurt Vonnegut's alter ego.

124 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:20:20pm

re: #82 Quilly Mammoth

Yes, he did hang with them.

You are projecting western social practices on the Middle East of 2,000 years ago. In that, you are being very ethnocentric.

You ought to get a grip on Biblical reality before you show your ignorance.

'Scuse me? You really need to take a look into church history before you start defaming a fellow believer with that kind of libel.

And your #95 shows how selectively you are reading comments:

Gee, the Taliban had a very polite society. Not much domestic viol;ence ...unless you count the women toted off to the soccer field for their last goal.

You really don't know much about anything, do you?

You completely ignore my quote in #86, about disagreeing and affirming the right to disagree, something the Taliban completely oppose (but that doesn't server your purpose to defame me). I think that's called a "straw man argument," and you are showing yourself quite adept at using it.

125 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:20:32pm

re: #108 Quilly Mammoth

Walter, this is a client? Or love interest? If a Love Interest...RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!


What do you mean by client? Someone I have to play romantic with? No, she is my girlfriend. I known her for two months, and yes, I'm beginning to see some habits that are a little inmature for a 58 year ol woman, but, I'm midly OCD, so picking up after her is actually fun.

How's that for tap dancing. Hey, I'm 56 and frisky. Do you know how hard it is to find a woman my age that hasn't turned into a cat lady or cut her hair shorter than Rosie McDonald?

126 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:20:41pm

re: #118 SFGoth

If you like girls in dark make up and tight corsets, you might be.

Nah, it's because I was saying something about how all the carolling and cries for "peace on earth" won't stop Iran, the Saudis, North Korea, or anything like that.

127 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:20:42pm

re: #115 realwest

"Will Capt Tuttle please report to the Chaplain's tent?"
I repeat, will Capt Tuttle please report to the Chaplain's tent"!

After this, things get out of hand. Pierce and McIntyre, "realizing" Tuttle hasn't been paid in fourteen months, have all his finances transferred to Sister Theresa's orphanage. General Clayton was so impressed with this act that he proceeds to personally award Tuttle by placing his picture in the newspaper.

When Clayton arrives, Pierce explains how Tuttle accidentally jumped off a helicopter without a parachute. Pierce delivers Tuttle's eulogy, including the cheeky line "There's a little bit of Tuttle left in all of us--in fact, you might say that all of us together made up Tuttle."

When Radar asks Pierce and McIntyre where they came up with Tuttle's dog tags and parachute, McIntyre claimed they were from Major Murdock. When asked who Major Murdock was, McIntyre replied he was Tuttle's replacement, to which Pierce chimed in, "Oh yeah, I had breakfast with him this morning."

128 albusteve  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:20:53pm

re: #100 Dustyvet

I'm a druid, reformed I can pray to small bushes.

Tuttles the name, Capt. Tuttle...

I just think arguing religious doctrine and theology is an exercise in futility...what's the point?...to make yourself heard?...seems a little self serving to me but OTOH I can understand one's interest to defend their point of view...pass the Red Stripe

129 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:21:14pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Chicks are weird about folding clothes, making beds and putting the toilet seat down. I just don't get it.

Thou shalt make the bed and keep the toilet seat down. If not, many deaths to follow. The living shall envy the dead.

130 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:21:18pm

re: #103 ggt
Hi ggt! Well I'm really chilly here in North Carolina, we're down to 62 degrees!
And we're talking about Christmas Spirit!

131 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:21:28pm

Lizards,
Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah and belated Solstice Greetings. There is a Higher Power...you just have to look. The mere act of looking makes you a better person, for it informs yourself that there is more than just _you_ in this world we share.

Good Night, Be Safe and Manyana!

132 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:21:41pm

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

Walter? This lady never reads over your shoulder, right?

Because I guarantee that she will not be associating with you if she ever realizes you told all of us those details!

133 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:22:04pm

re: #127 Dustyvet

You sure that wasn't Frank who then claimed to have had breakfast with him?

134 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:22:11pm

re: #129 rawmuse

Yeah, that's a problem for me.

135 albusteve  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:22:13pm

re: #105 rain of lead

Minneapolis alert
santa just entered your airspace

if he visits the zoo Rudolph wont wanna leave I bet....

136 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:22:13pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

My nic is a misspelling of Kurt Vonnegut's alter ego.

God bless you, Mr. Rosewater.

137 PSGInfinity  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:22:50pm

About the article: "Sigh"
About the day: "Merry Christmas!"
Also: "Happy Hanukkah!"

138 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:22:50pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Chicks are weird about folding clothes, making beds and putting the toilet seat down. I just don't get it.

I don't understand why guys (and I am one) leave the seat up. I don't want to walk into my bathroom seeing and smelling a dirty toilet bowl. Hell, a girl I knew would leave it up b/c she assumed I did as a guy. No, I put it down. It's gross.

139 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:23:00pm

re: #130 realwest

Hi ggt! Well I'm really chilly here in North Carolina, we're down to 62 degrees!
And we're talking about Christmas Spirit!

oh, RW, cold?

I've got cold!

other than that, how you doin' tonite?

140 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:23:24pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton
How's that for tap dancing. Hey, I'm 56 and frisky. Do you know how hard it is to find a woman my age that hasn't turned into a cat lady or cut her hair shorter than Rosie McDonald?

LOL! Have fun then. I wish you my best.

141 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:23:29pm

re: #113 transient
LOL! Same back atcha!

142 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:23:46pm

re: #117 Dianna

I fear that someone was using "goth" to be polite; he didn't want to say "emo."

(Again, this is a joke, a mild poke and mockery, gentle).

LOL, emo's fightin' words!

143 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:23:49pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that's a problem for me.

2 bedrooms, 2 baths. Problem solved.

144 EmmmieG  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:24:56pm

I think Santa is coming very soon. Good night.

145 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:25:16pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Your friend would be my friend forever if they bought it. It's not going to be cheap. I've promised it to a dealer in Minnesota but other arrangements can be made. It should be done in about 6-9 months.

She's a recent college graduate with an entry level job, so it's probably a good idea to hang on to that dealer's phone number. :(

146 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:25:25pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

After all these years my favorite Vonnegut book has ended up being Mother Night. Intentions and results aren't always the same thing. A very underrated book.

147 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:25:37pm

I thought you left the toilet seat up if you had a dog.

/could explain a few things in my life

148 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:26:08pm

re: #100 Dustyvet

I'm a druid, reformed I can pray to small bushes.

What if the bush is on fire, and you're not wearing your new Birkenstocks?

149 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:26:24pm

eep!

This, you have to see!

Vulgar, but funny.

150 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:26:50pm

I Believe in Father Christmas

/just don't listen to the lyrics too closely

151 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:27:22pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Chicks are weird about folding clothes, making beds and putting the toilet seat down. I just don't get it.

The most interesting thing is her whole life changed about three years ago (like mine did). Her husband died and she went from making 80 thousand plus a year to now making 10.50 an hour retail. Long story how it came to that.

But, bottom line, she doesn't want to accept that she is poorer. She never has any money, is behind in all her bills, will probably loose a 1/2 million dollar house that she only has a 1500 month mortgage etc.

BBut she hasn't accepted that her life has changed. She will still purchase a 50 bottle of skin lotion, and then wonder (and I really mean she has no clue), she will wonder where all her money goes.

I like her, but at the same time, I realize that she will have to learn for herself. I certainly don't have the finances to "rescue" her. So, my best bet is to let her reach "bottom" and when it finally hit's her that things have certainly changed, she hopefully will start coming around.

152 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:28:27pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Uh, I don't give a tinkers damn about folded clothes or made beds, but if I stumble into the bathroom half asleep in the middle of the night and make a splash into the toilet, there will be hell to pay....

153 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:28:35pm

re: #127 Dustyvet
ROFL! I can't believe you know all that dialogue by heart, but the Captain Tuttle was one of my favorite MASH shows!

154 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:28:56pm

re: #150 Killian Bundy

I Believe in Father Christmas

/just don't listen to the lyrics too closely

Too late. But remember, it's kind of in line with that post-Vietnam era fatalism of the 70's.

155 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:29:05pm

re: #149 Dianna

eep!

This, you have to see!

Vulgar, but funny.

Looks like somebody didn't want to hang up all the lights.

156 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:29:07pm

re: #118 SFGoth

If you like girls in dark make up and tight corsets, you might be.

Hon, they all like girls in dark make-up and tight corsets. It's sort of encoded on the Y chromosome.

The problem is getting them to admit to it.

157 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:29:50pm

re: #142 SFGoth

I know.

I just couldn't resist.

158 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:29:50pm

re: #153 realwest

ROFL! I can't believe you know all that dialogue by heart, but the Captain Tuttle was one of my favorite MASH shows!

Hawkeye: "Frank's gone! He took his gun and his toothbrush."

B.J.: "Shooting his mouth off again, huh?"

159 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:30:03pm

re: #132 Dianna

Walter? This lady never reads over your shoulder, right?

Because I guarantee that she will not be associating with you if she ever realizes you told all of us those details!

Well, no she doesn't. but she is very honest, and she know that her situation is what I related. She admists to finding it very hard to adjust to her changes in life.

I am not the kind of person to say anything to friends (which I consider Lizards) which I would not say face to face to others. I've discussed this with her.

It's going to be a growing process. We'll make it. And I always like advice from you all.

160 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:30:15pm

re: #145 SteveC

The Swedish National Museum has also expressed some interest in this one. There are only a handful of cellos left by this guy. I've never negotiated with a museum before but they have some stuff I'd love to take on trade.

161 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:30:35pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! Hey - if those are her "worst" habits, you are a lucky guy if you like her and she likes you - and yes indeed I do know how difficult it is for someone your age........or older!

162 Steffan  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:31:15pm

re: #120 Salamantis

It just reminds me of folks who deny they hate the Jews, while attacking the very existence of the Jewish state of Israel.

The PC name for that is "anti-Zionism." Spewed by those who refuse to acknowledge that Israeli Arabs have far more freedom than Saudi or Pali Christians.

I think GLBT couples should qualify for Federal survivor benefits. I don't think they should redefine marriage, but that's just my opinion. I also don't think they've thought it through.... gay marriages would have to be dissolved in divorce court, an expensive proposition.

What's the Bar Association's stance on gay marriage, hmmmm?

163 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:31:43pm

re: #156 Dianna

Hon, they all like girls in dark make-up and tight corsets. It's sort of encoded on the Y chromosome.

The problem is getting them to admit to it.

Well, I guess that depends on how tight the corset is...
/Not really, corsets went out of fashion in the 19th century, right?

I'm pretty sure you're right Dianna, the guy who thought I wore "goth black makeup" probably thought I was emo and/or needed to get laid. And I guess I do need to get laid sometime...

164 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:32:08pm

Excuse my typing. I'm on a strange keyboard and I'm not use to it. It's very hard, long keystrokes.

165 stevieray  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:32:48pm

re: #110 SFGoth

On on.

/not a HHH myself, just know a few.

166 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:33:24pm

re: #139 ggt
I'm doing ok, thanks - it turned Christmas here about a half-hour or so ago, so I'm actually feeling quite well!
How's about yourself?

167 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:33:26pm

re: #150 Killian Bundy

That's the piece I was quoting earlier, wasn't it?

The Christmas we get, we deserve.

168 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:33:29pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

That's a tough situation. I've always been poor my entire adult life so I'm used to it, I know how to do it and it doesn't bother me. If I had money I wouldn't know what to do with it. However, I do understand that not everybody knows how to live on the cheap. It's an acquired skill and a lost art. Not everybody can do it. Good luck.

169 Steffan  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:33:39pm

re: #131 Quilly Mammoth

Lizards,
Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah and belated Solstice Greetings. There is a Higher Power...you just have to look. The mere act of looking makes you a better person, for it informs yourself that there is more than just _you_ in this world we share.

Good Night, Be Safe and Manyana!

Quilly, be well and have a happy.

170 albusteve  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:33:45pm

re: #158 SteveC

Hawkeye: "Frank's gone! He took his gun and his toothbrush."

B.J.: "Shooting his mouth off again, huh?"

Hawkeye- Igor whats for dinner? dont tell me it's liver or fish...

Igor- it's liver or fish sir

Hawkeye- I've eaten a river of liver and an ocean of fish! I cant make love unless I'm smothered in onions and I'm not gonna take it anymore!

171 solomonpanting  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:34:18pm

re: #162 Steffan

What's the Bar Association's stance on gay marriage, hmmmm?

My guess is that most attorneys are in favor of same-sex marriage. It would increase their pool of potential clients in matters of divorce.

172 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:34:25pm

re: #163 davinvalkri

Well, I guess that depends on how tight the corset is...
/Not really, corsets went out of fashion in the 19th century, right?

I met a woman a few years ago who makes her own corsets, including shaping the bones. There was no mistaking that she was wearing a corset, but she actually looked like she could be on the street and not violate any public indecency laws. Yes, it looked that good on her.

Madonna, eat your heart out!

173 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:34:37pm

re: #166 realwest

I'm doing ok, thanks - it turned Christmas here about a half-hour or so ago, so I'm actually feeling quite well!
How's about yourself?

hangin' in there. Warm on my couch with puppies next to me.

Another 1/2 hour so until Christmas is officially here in Near Iowa.

174 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:34:41pm

re: #167 Dianna

That's the piece I was quoting earlier, wasn't it?

The Christmas we get, we deserve.

Ah, that's where that line came from!

175 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:34:51pm

re: #149 Dianna
ROTFLMAO! That's hilarious! Hey, how are you doing tonight Dianna?

176 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:35:03pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

In some ways, money is like electricity. It is useful in the proper amounts, and harmful when you increase the voltage past what your circuits can handle.

177 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:36:29pm

re: #163 davinvalkri

We all need to get laid, properly, by the right person, as frequently as possible!

178 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:36:33pm

re: #176 rawmuse

In some ways, money is like electricity. It is useful in the proper amounts, and harmful when you increase the voltage past what your circuits can handle.

"May God smite me with it!" -- Tevye (speaking of money, not electricity, couldn't afford that)

179 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:37:11pm

re: #101 SteveC

Tonight, 40 years ago: "For all the people on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message we would like to send you."

Madalyn Murray O'Hair later sued NASA over the crew's reading from Genesis that night, wanting the courts to ban astronauts from public prayer since they were government employees.

180 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:37:12pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

That's a tough situation. I've always been poor my entire adult life so I'm used to it, I know how to do it and it doesn't bother me. If I had money I wouldn't know what to do with it. However, I do understand that not everybody knows how to live on the cheap. It's an acquired skill and a lost art. Not everybody can do it. Good luck.


Thanks. She'll work it out, with my help. But as I say, she's going to have to come to some realizations on her own, or else it's not going to really become part of her way of thinking. It took me almost 5 years to work out the details. I was living high on the hog for over 25 years.

Never was wanting for anything. Wife and I go out to an ancient coin club meeting, see a nice ancient Greek silve coin we wanted, drop a grand like we were buying something at McDonalds.

Life a real fun ride.

181 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:37:37pm

How are you doing tonight, rawmuse?

I have a special treat for you.

182 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:37:51pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

The Swedish National Museum has also expressed some interest in this one. There are only a handful of cellos left by this guy. I've never negotiated with a museum before but they have some stuff I'd love to take on trade.

I've worked in a (small) museum. If the "stuff" you're interested in is already logged into their records ("assessioned") it will be a major task to claim it; most museums have pretty strict guidelines about items coming in and going out. Once it's in the system, there has to be a good reason for it to leave and there has to be paperwork associated with it. A lot of the organizations that fund grants like for the paperwork to be in order, so they have proof their investments are not being squandered.

183 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:37:59pm

re: #177 Dianna

We all need to get laid, properly, by the right person, as frequently as possible!

Haiku Orgasm

Syneaesthesia
A symphony of textures
Technicolor moans

184 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:38:15pm

re: #162 Steffan
"What's the Bar Association's stance on gay marriage, hmmmm?"
I don't know, but I bet the Divorce Lawyers are all in favor of Gay Marriage - just more business for them!

185 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:38:40pm

re: #175 realwest

ROTFLMAO! That's hilarious! Hey, how are you doing tonight Dianna?

Very well, thank you!

I see, from above, how yours is. I'm glad you're having a good evening.

186 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:39:14pm

re: #170 albusteve

Hawkeye- Igor whats for dinner? dont tell me it's liver or fish...

Igor- it's liver or fish sir

Hawkeye- I've eaten a river of liver and an ocean of fish! I cant make love unless I'm smothered in onions and I'm not gonna take it anymore!

WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE! :)

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:39:21pm

re: #177 Dianna

We all need to get laid, properly, by the right person, as frequently as possible!

You looking for volunteers? ;)

188 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:39:34pm

re: #162 Steffan

What's the Bar Association's stance on gay marriage, hmmmm?

Not sure about them, but I'm sure the Gay Bar Association is all for it!

/ducks

189 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:39:59pm

re: #183 Salamantis

Haiku Orgasm

Syneaesthesia
A symphony of textures
Technicolor moans

I quite like that!

190 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:40:09pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout
"If I had money I wouldn't know what to do with it."
Um, well, I wouldn't mind if you threw some my way!
Just a suggestion, ya unnerstand?!
:)

191 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:40:35pm

re: #183 Salamantis

I'm hearing images,
I'm seeing sounds
No poet has ever painted...

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:40:39pm

realwest? you still there?

193 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:40:40pm

re: #188 victor_yugo

Not sure about them, but I'm sure the Gay Bar Association is all for it!

/ducks

Ah the Gay Bars! Where "happy hour" is from opening time to closing time--and sometimes after! Where the talk flows free and the booze flows freer...I'm using the wrong definition of "gay", aren't I?

194 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:40:43pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

You looking for volunteers? ;)

Got my very own already. Thanks, though.

195 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:40:48pm

re: #188 victor_yugo

Not sure about them, but I'm sure the Gay Bar Association is all for it!

/ducks

196 albusteve  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:40:53pm

re: #186 SteveC

WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE! :)

I used to watch a little MASH here and there...just enough

197 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:41:37pm

re: #149 Dianna

/Are you trying to steal Mandy's avatar? ;)

198 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:41:49pm

re: #179 FurryOldGuyJeans

Madalyn Murray O'Hair later sued NASA over the crew's reading from Genesis that night, wanting the courts to ban astronauts from public prayer since they were government employees.

What happened?

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:42:16pm

re: #198 MandyManners

What happened?

She died.

heh.

200 Macker  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:42:24pm

re: #5 EmmmieG

Dear Reverend Drake: Check your Bible. Only prophets get to announce God's punishment on people. Are you now claiming to be a prophet?

Just asking.

That'll piss off the Muslims too....

201 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:42:40pm

re: #198 MandyManners

What happened?

No more "prayers" in space.

202 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:42:41pm

re: #197 NY Nana

/Are you trying to steal Mandy's avatar? ;)

No! I wouldn't dream of it!

The woman grates carrots to convince her son Santa and his reindeer visited; I'm not getting in the way of that sort of dedication!

203 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:42:48pm

re: #185 Dianna
Thank you, so am I!

204 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:42:50pm

Rev. Drake, for your information, Jesus hung out with the prostitutes and the tax collectors.

205 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:42:56pm

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mooooooooooooo.

206 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:42:58pm

Good evening Lizards...Dinner is over, The presents all unwrapped, Everyone has gone home and mama is in bed...
I'm glad it's done...it's always a wonderful time but exhausting..
Great Basketball games on tomorrow!

207 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:43:00pm

It's a crazy wild world; Madelyn Murray O-Hair's son is a Christian, and Fred Phelps' son is an atheist...

208 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:44:06pm

re: #201 rawmuse

No more "prayers" in space.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:44:15pm

re: #205 MandyManners

Orphan Annie sez Mooooooooooooo.

Fixed it for ya! Merry Christmas Mandy!

realwest? You there?

210 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:44:32pm

Ms. rawmuse is asleep in the chair by the christmas tree, blanket over her legs, cat on her lap, tv remote in one hand. I just took the cutest couple of pics.

211 israellycool  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:44:50pm

Merry Christmas to all the Christian lizards!

212 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:44:59pm

re: #202 Dianna

No! I wouldn't dream of it!

The woman grates carrots to convince her son Santa and his reindeer visited; I'm not getting in the way of that sort of dedication!

I draw the line at scat.

213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:01pm

re: #210 rawmuse

Wait til she starts drooling... take some more!

214 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:06pm

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Yes I am FBV - how are you tonight?

215 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:13pm

re: #149 Dianna

eep!

This, you have to see!

Vulgar, but funny.

That's a good one. Just about the fanciest shed I've ever seen, too.

216 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:21pm

re: #182 SteveC

I figure that some of their holdings have been gifted or granted to them with strings attached. It will be complicated but business is business, money is money. It will depend on currency exchange rates, red tape, etc. I just hope I finish before my contacts die or retire.

217 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:27pm

It's time to hit the hay.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

218 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:36pm

re: #201 rawmuse

No more "prayers" in space.

Believe me, as long a we ask men and women to take off on five gazillion gallons of explosive liquid and oxygen, there will be prayers in space.

219 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:39pm

re: #207 Salamantis

It's a crazy wild world; Madelyn Murray O-Hair's son is a Christian, and Fred Phelps' son is an atheist...

I think the term you're looking for is "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad World."

Or maybe it's a marshmallow world. But I'm pretty sure it's a mad world.

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:42pm

re: #211 israellycool

Thanks Cool!

221 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:45:59pm

re: #198 MandyManners

What happened?

The SCOTUS threw out the case based on lack of jurisdiction, but the suit scared NASA witless about any religious expression for the rest of the Apollo program.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:46:05pm

re: #214 realwest

Yes I am FBV - how are you tonight?

I am great. Check yer karma!

223 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:46:06pm

re: #190 realwest

I'll keep you in mind if I find myself with more money than I can use.

224 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:46:37pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She died.

heh.

Actually, she was murdered.

225 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:47:04pm

re: #201 rawmuse
Or at least not out loud.

226 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:47:08pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She died.

heh.

She was murdered, and her remains stuffed in a barrel. Yuck.

227 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:47:15pm

re: #218 unclassifiable

Believe me, as long a we ask men and women to take off on five gazillion gallons of explosive liquid and oxygen, there will be prayers in space.

Hence the quotation marks.

228 Airborn Swine  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:47:19pm

Have a very merry Christmas, Lizards, may God bless us every one.

229 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:47:24pm

re: #221 FurryOldGuyJeans

The SCOTUS threw out the case based on lack of jurisdiction, but the suit scared NASA witless about any religious expression for the rest of the Apollo program.

You mean SCOTUS doesn't have jurisdiction over outer space?
Finally a problem Congress can handle.

230 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:47:27pm

re: #217 MandyManners

It's time to hit the hay.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Merry Christmas to you too, Mandy.

231 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:48:00pm

re: #202 Dianna

Mandy is a great mother, and Kiddo is very lucky...don't tell her I said anything!

Whoops, uh, hi, Mandy.

I just realized! A very merry Christmas to all Lizards on the East Coast!

232 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:48:16pm

re: #206 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - the presents are all unwrapped already?!

233 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:48:28pm

re: #207 Salamantis

It's a crazy wild world; Madelyn Murray O-Hair's son is a Christian, and Fred Phelps' son is an atheist...

Serves both parents right.

234 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:49:04pm

re: #207 Salamantis

It's a crazy wild world; Madelyn Murray O-Hair's son is a Christian, and Fred Phelps' son is an atheist...

It is indeed a crazy world.

235 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:49:19pm

re: #217 MandyManners
Merry Christmas Mandy!

236 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:50:07pm

Hey Dianna; since you liked that one, here's another!

Honest Proposition

Let us embark on courtship's dance
Begin romance

And let us kindle passion's fire
Enflame desire

Then let us ride the rising tide
A-rage inside

And precious ecstasy purloin:
Let us conjoin.

Let your thighs squeeze my stone caress
Feel my thickness

Let my tongue tease your buds to bloom
Taste your perfume

And let us shudder with delight
Exalt the night

Then let us slumber till the morn
Renewed, reborn.

237 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:50:08pm

A crazed Southern Baptist pastor...
Christmas wishes....
Goths....
MASH....
Sexual activity....
and Madelyn Murray O-Hair.


It's been quite a thread already!

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:50:36pm

re: #226 Ward Cleaver

She was murdered, and her remains stuffed in a barrel. Yuck.

A shame too. She seemed swell.

239 Thanos  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:50:38pm

re: #20 HelloDare

Pastor Wiley Drake has an on-line radio show. You can call in or email your questions.

The streaming internet channel he's on has a "New World Order" show every Sunday...

240 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:50:57pm

had a good day went to lacal bars/clubs a friend of mine who was bartending was dressed up with green face paint and a santa suit so i went and had Mr Grinch draw me a few drafts and pour a few healthy shots oh and MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone next on comedy central will be the cencored version of dennis leary's merry fucken christmas

241 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:51:01pm

re: #237 SteveC

A crazed Southern Baptist pastor...
Christmas wishes....
Goths....
MASH....
Sexual activity....
and Madelyn Murray O-Hair.


It's been quite a thread already!

But no boobies yet. Just a bunch of boobs.

242 Bobibutu  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:51:08pm

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

Two Brothers
Feature Film|1:45:02|
Two tiger brothers are separated as cubs and taken into captivity. Years later, the brothers find themselves reunited, but as forced enemies pitted against each other.

Free and worthwhile.

243 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:51:46pm

re: #212 MandyManners

I draw the line at scat.

Good. I quail at the thought of your kid and scat.

Mostly because I remember, all too well, what I was like.

Consider Skippy Rule #87, and that my mother wishes she'd thought of it.

244 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:51:50pm

re: #232 realwest

Hey Hoops - the presents are all unwrapped already?!

We have always done Christmas Eve..
It's a tradition with us...

245 USBeast  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:51:57pm

Merry Christmas all.

Now that the day is actually here I can enjoy it. The "Christmas Season" is always unmitigated hell, but the day itself is a day of joy.

246 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:52:23pm

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Huh! How the hell did that happen- Santa Claus?!
:)
Thankew for you campaign and support!

247 Fenboy  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:52:37pm

Merry Christmas to all the lizards this fine Christmas Day!

248 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:52:40pm

I got ms. rawmuse the coolest thing for christmas. It is a hand made, fired ceramic serving platter with the image of her face on it. She is smiling and looking over the piano music stand at me, playing the bass. I snapped it one night, and I got a local artist to transfer the image on to the platter, lacquer it. It kind of looks like those high contrast dot images like what the Wall St. Journal uses for their head shots. It is cobalt blue on off white. It is amazing.

When we are not using it, it goes over the fireplace mantle.

I like it so much, I may get one done of myself, so we can have His & Hers.

249 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:52:59pm

re: #237 SteveC

A crazed Southern Baptist pastor...
Christmas wishes....
Goths....
MASH....
Sexual activity....
and Madelyn Murray O-Hair.


It's been quite a thread already!

I'm a bad influence for #3, I'm sorry.

250 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:53:41pm

re: #229 HoosierHoops

You mean SCOTUS doesn't have jurisdiction over outer space?
Finally a problem Congress can handle.

Hard to say really since I ain't a lawyer and the exact reason is:

U.S. Supreme Court
O'HAIR v. PAINE , 397 U.S. 531 (1970)

397 U.S. 531

Madalyn Murray O'HAIR et al.
v.
Thomas O. PAINE et al.
No. 1190.

Supreme Court of the United States

April 6, 1970

James H. Anderson, Jr., for appellants Society of Separationists, Inc ., and others.

Solicitor General Griswold, for appellees.

PER CURIAM.

The motion to dismiss is granted and the appeal is dismissed for want of jurisdiction.[ O'Hair v. Paine 397 U.S. 531 (1970) ]

Any of our legal lizards care to enlighten us here?

251 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:53:48pm

re: #225 realwest

Or at least not out loud.

"Oh, Lord, please don't let me screw the pooch."

252 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:54:17pm

re: #248 rawmuse

What a great idea Raw!

253 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:54:35pm

re: #198 MandyManners

What happened?

re: #221 FurryOldGuyJeans

The SCOTUS threw out the case based on lack of jurisdiction, but the suit scared NASA witless about any religious expression for the rest of the Apollo program.

On Apollo 13, they prayed to G-d, Buddha, the Dali Lama, Isis, Pharaoh, Mohammad, and they even made up a few! They even contemplated just shifting the capsule into park, getting out, and walking home!

254 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:54:53pm

re: #242 Bobibutu

Have you yet seen Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning?

255 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:55:12pm

re: #236 Salamantis

Careful - I may start quoting Prufrock!

256 Thanos  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:55:44pm

Dinner done, stockings stuffed, gifts wrapped, except for the one or two we probably bought in July and forgot about... I tuckered out and I"m going to hit the hay.

We have to get up early, make breakfast, unwrap gifts, then we are all hitting the movies. Think we are seeing "The Spirit" but I'm trying to talk the kids into Defiance instead, doubt I'll win that one though... [but me talking about it so much guarantees they will watch it on cable when it pops up...]

Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah; sleep well and wake with joy.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:56:09pm

I'm going to bed. Real quick though...Left my church's candlelight service tonight at Midnight. They still had another 20 minutes left (supposed to end at midnight).

Don't these people who plan these things own stopwatches? Geez. Organist is determined to play ever verse of every song. Even the obscure verses only written because the author did not understand brevity.

Hey soloists! (especially Soprano soloists) just because you can hit a note, does not mean you should hit a note. There were some shrieks tonight. You know where I'm talking about... Oh Night, Oh (stomp yourself on the foot) HOOOOOOOOLY NIGHT.

SHEESH.

But, I love my church folks. And I'm not as bitter as I sound.

258 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:56:37pm

re: #255 Dianna

Careful - I may start quoting Prufrock!

I'm quoting Salamantis...;~)

259 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:56:52pm

re: #224 victor_yugo
Whoa - from your link

"Despite pleas from O'Hair's son, William J. Murray, several briefings from federal agents, and solid leads developed by members of the press, the Austin Police Department (APD) sat on the sidelines of the O'Hair investigation...Meanwhile, investigators from the Internal Revenue Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the Dallas County Sheriff's Office are working together on the case....a federal agent was asked to discuss APD's actions in the O'Hair case. His only response was to roll his eyes in amazement."[18]

Can you say "unprofessional" and
neglient? And perhaps even - depending on what the APD knew and when - accessories after the fact? I knew you could.

260 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:57:30pm

re: #156 Dianna

Hon, they all like girls in dark make-up and tight corsets. It's sort of encoded on the Y chromosome.

The problem is getting them to admit to it.

Some guys really are clueless. As for me, I like 'em with dark purple hair, a silky black corset with real boning, and some kind of dark jewel-toned bustle dress ala 1870's. To me, that's porn. And if they can lead, all the better. Excuse me....

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:57:31pm

re: #248 rawmuse

I had a plate with my face on it. But then the cake crumbs were gone. So I took my face off.

262 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:57:49pm

re: #258 Salamantis

I'm quoting Salamantis...;~)

I admire you, then. I cannot - to save my soul - write poetry.

263 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:57:55pm

re: #228 Airborn Swine
Amen!

264 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:58:16pm

re: #255 Dianna

Careful - I may start quoting Prufrock!

Let us go then you and I
With the evening spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherized upon a table...
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk along the beach,
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

I do not think that they will sing to me...
That Prufrock?

265 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:58:22pm

re: #121 davinvalkri

Off topic:
Civilization IV eh? Do the spearmen still kill tanks?

No. Long fixed. And the Arabs thought they had a chance!

266 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:58:49pm

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey soloists! (especially Soprano soloists) just because you can hit a note, does not mean you should hit a note. There were some shrieks tonight. You know where I'm talking about... Oh Night, Oh (stomp yourself on the foot) HOOOOOOOOLY NIGHT.

SHEESH.

But, I love my church folks. And I'm not as bitter as I sound.

We have a lady in our church who can sing O Holy Night and knows better than to try to break the stained glass. It's beautiful. It's not OFFICIALLY Christmas until I hear her sing that song.

267 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:59:02pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a plate with my face on it. But then the cake crumbs were gone. So I took my face off.

there may be some discussion of whether or not to use it as a wall hanging or with baby carrots and celery sticks on either side. Either way is OK with me.

268 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:59:11pm

Christmas for me now.

I go over to my sister's.

Me: What do you and you husband want?
Sis: I dunno.
Me: Cash?
Sis: Sure. What about you?
Me: Cash is fine.
Sis: So you give me cash, you give it back?
Me: Then we go and have a nice lunch somewhere and relax.
Sis: Great.
Me: I thought so. Merry Christmas!
Sis: Absolutely perfect! What do we tell the folks?
Me: I got you a wall length mirror and you got me uh -- a palm tree. They are just too big to fly with so we will get them later.
Sis: Beautiful. Best Christmas ever.
Me: Yeah I thought so too.

269 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 9:59:25pm

re: #264 davinvalkri

Let us go then you and I
With the evening spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherized upon a table...
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk along the beach,
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

I do not think that they will sing to me...
That Prufrock?

Yes.

Some of the most evocative lines in modern poetry, to my mind.

I love the part about the mermaids.

270 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:00:32pm

I know. I love it too. I just wish I could remember more of it after having studied it for lit classes at least three times!

271 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:00:35pm

re: #253 SteveC

On Apollo 13, they prayed to G-d, Buddha, the Dali Lama, Isis, Pharaoh, Mohammad, and they even made up a few! They even contemplated just shifting the capsule into park, getting out, and walking home!

Jim Lovell, the Commander of Apollo 13, was Command Module Pilot on Apollo 8; William Anders was Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 8 and so was just basically excess baggage since they had no Lunar Module for Apollo 8's Trans-Lunar flight.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:00:56pm

re: #262 Dianna

I admire you, then. I cannot - to save my soul - write poetry.

"I gave my love, a rubber peach".

Could have sworn I saw that in a movie once. It is the line I use when I am illustrating "hack" poetry.

Can't find the movie on the internets tho. Love to see it again. Old 60's movie.

273 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:01:03pm

re: #244 HoosierHoops
Ah! Germanic background? My grandfather did that too and his father who immigrated from Germany passed that tradition down to him!
Anyway, what kinda loot gifts did Santa give you?!

274 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:01:07pm

Good morning, Merry Christmas, and Happy Hanukkah. Finally managed to catch up to the bottom of the thread. Should be a fun night at work here. Had a small party in the early evening and imbibe one too many beers I think.

/sleep is my friend
//and for the beers, zantac is my bestest friend. :)

275 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:01:53pm

re: #270 davinvalkri

Fall back on:

In the rooms the women come and go,
talking of Michaelangelo.

Follow up with talking about Emmy Lou's Michaelangelo.

It's both impressive and touching.

276 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:02:28pm

re: #248 rawmuse
Sounds beautiful - and certainly thoughtful of you!

277 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:02:30pm

re: #259 realwest

Whoa - from your link

Can you say "unprofessional" and
neglient? And perhaps even - depending on what the APD knew and when - accessories after the fact? I knew you could.

concur yr analysis in spades

and any LEO not wanting to pursue the case with all professional strength should be fired on the spot

278 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:02:36pm

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I haven't a clue about the movie, but that makes me laugh.

279 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:03:20pm

re: #269 Dianna

Yes.

Some of the most evocative lines in modern poetry, to my mind.

I love the part about the mermaids.

You might like some Vogon poetry, then. ;-)

280 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:03:55pm

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is the line I use when I am illustrating "hack" poetry.

Carnation Milk is the best in the land,
here I sit with a can in my hand.
No tits to pull, no hay to pitch;
I just pull the tab on the sonovabitch!

281 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:04:08pm

re: #279 victor_yugo

You might like some Vogon poetry, then. ;-)

I'll threaten you with my own. That would serve you right!

282 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:04:16pm

re: #262 Dianna

I admire you, then. I cannot - to save my soul - write poetry.

Here are a couple more; Bon Appetit!

Only Human

If I were Herne the Hunter, or satyr Pan divine
I’d melt through you until our spines
Like serpents met and intertwined
And penetrate you like a dart
Until I held your heaving heart
Caressed your soul and thrilled your mind
And your sweet love forever bind.
But I am only human; the best that I can do
Is give you all the human love it’s in my power to.
I’ll necklace you with kisses till you sprinkle me with sighs
And drink the lava torrents pouring from your searing eyes.
I’ll woo you with an ardor at once steady and intense
And lay my heart between your feet not asking recompense
And watch you as you’re sleeping, smiling your Goddess smile
And thank the Gods you granted me your favor for a while.
For I am only human, no avatar on high –
All I can do is try.


The Topography of Love

Love can’t let go
For true love can’t constrain.
Love can’t condemn
For true love harbors all.
Love can’t withhold
For true love lives to share.
Love can’t complete
For true love overflows.
Love can’t demand
For true love ever gives.

Love is a buffalo blanket
Warm beside a winter campfire
Love is a mellow sun
Beaming on a balmy afternoon.

Love is seeing the perfect Being whom one’s Beloved is
Shining in luminous eyes
And seeing reflected in that beholding
One’s own self transfigured
Into a being more radiant than one might hope to dream.

Love is when two people see each other
More clearly than they see themselves
It is when two souls touch
And revel in the touching.

283 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:05:10pm

For those of you who may be interested in such an item, here is the biz

284 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:05:26pm

re: #279 victor_yugo

You might like some Vogon poetry, then. ;-)

T.S. Eliot is a long way off of Vogon poetry, I'd imagine!

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:05:51pm

re: #280 SteveC

What about that is "hack". I'm drying tears over here.

286 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:06:49pm

re: #273 realwest

Ah! Germanic background? My grandfather did that too and his father who immigrated from Germany passed that tradition down to him!
Anyway, what kinda loot gifts did Santa give you?!

You know my last name..doesn't get anymore german than that..Course i was adopted and really very little idea of who or what i really am..
I got lots of sports gear..(surprise ) and I didn't know that the NFL has official team tennis shoes really cool.Kobalt tools.. A DVD burner...
Guess what? No Ties...Thankfully.. LOL

287 Thanos  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:07:06pm
288 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:07:41pm

re: #284 davinvalkri

T.S. Eliot is a long way off of Vogon poetry, I'd imagine!

I think so, but...I actually like The Wasteland, and "Preludes" is a huge favorite.

Not everyone agrees. That's fine.

And you read your Emily Dickenson
And I, my Robert Frost,
And we mark our place with bookmarkers
That measure what we've lost.

289 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:07:41pm

re: #284 davinvalkri

T.S. Eliot is a long way off of Vogon poetry, I'd imagine!

According to a professor I had fifteen years ago, Prufrock was so obtuse it left even Eliot's poetic contemporaries and close associates scratching their heads.

290 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:08:10pm

re: #256 Thanos
Hey Thanos - Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah to you, too. Sleep well.

291 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:08:15pm

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What about that is "hack". I'm drying tears over here.

I swear that poem was in an 8th grade Lit book... kinda hard to forget that one!

A previous student had written some of his own heartfelt lines on the inside front cover: "In case of fire, throw this in too!"

292 Bobibutu  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:08:22pm

re: #283 rawmuse

For those of you who may be interested in such an item, here is the biz

You changed your icon - how come?

293 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:09:12pm

re: #170 albusteve

Hawkeye- Igor whats for dinner? dont tell me it's liver or fish...

Igor- it's liver or fish sir

Hawkeye- I've eaten a river of liver and an ocean of fish! I cant make love unless I'm smothered in onions and I'm not gonna take it anymore!

"Boy, I sure could use a belt."

294 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:09:12pm

re: #289 victor_yugo

According to a professor I had fifteen years ago, Prufrock was so obtuse it left even Eliot's poetic contemporaries and close associates scratching their heads.

"Obtuse"? What?

Obscure, I can see. There are referents that, if you don't have the background, you can miss. But I have always loved it.

295 rumcrook  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:09:33pm

god will not wink at this? ...... .......wink wink nudge nudge, sounds awfully similar to a monty python skit....

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:09:51pm

I love the song "Oh Holy Night". It just happens that everyone want's a key change so they can hit a high K sharp at the end of it.

Sung simply, and straight it is wonderful.

(oh yeah, and the vibrato so wide you could drive a Vogon ship through it.)

But I'm not bitter.

297 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:10:05pm

re: #288 Dianna

re: #289 victor_yugo

How about "The Hollow Men"? (since the thread is going "Poetry Corner" on us--thank you Salamantis...)

The Hollow Men

I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom
Remember us — if at all — not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death’s dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind’s singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death’s dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat’s coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer –

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man’s hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death’s other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death’s twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o’clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow

For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow

Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

298 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:10:33pm

re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love the song "Oh Holy Night". It just happens that everyone want's a key change so they can hit a high K sharp at the end of it.

Sung simply, and straight it is wonderful.

(oh yeah, and the vibrato so wide you could drive a Vogon ship through it.)

But I'm not bitter.


Typo? LOL

299 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:10:36pm

re: #292 Bobibutu

You changed your icon - how come?

I thought the clay figures were cute.

Oh, yeah, and that restraining order thing from Warner Bros. ;)

300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:10:53pm

re: #292 Bobibutu

You changed your icon - how come?

It's clay.

301 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:11:38pm

re: #294 Dianna

"Obtuse"? What?

Obscure, I can see. There are referents that, if you don't have the background, you can miss. But I have always loved it.

I'm really fond of Prufrock, too.

And I like this one a lot:

[Link: www.boppin.com...]

302 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:12:50pm

Just because:

And the afternoon, the evening, sleeps so peacefully!
Smoothed by long fingers,
Asleep ... tired ... or it malingers.
Stretched on on the floor, here beside you and me.
Should I, after tea and cakes and ices,
Have the strength to force the moment to its crisis?
But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed,
Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald)
brought in upon a platter,
I am no prophet--and here's no great matter;
I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker,
And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker,
And in short, I was afraid.

303 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:13:14pm

re: #297 davinvalkri

I like "The Hollow Men."

Imagine it read by Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith.

304 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:13:21pm

Byzantine Hymn of the Nativity (watch to the end to see the list of images shown)
Merry Christmas, y'all

305 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:13:38pm

re: #297 davinvalkri

Oh, one of my favorite sections of The Wasteland!

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:14:19pm

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Typo? LOL

Nope. That is what I call impossible (or improbable at best) high notes.

One of my best friends can hit a lovely G above high C. Dead on, no screaming, she can crescendo and decrescendo it while holding it out. Can trill it. Seriously, she can make it do tricks.

And I still hate the notes.

307 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:14:24pm

re: #208 MandyManners

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Ya know, If I were a gazillion feet above the Earth, outside it's atmosphere, having been launched their by a high-powered explosive, and I only had a few inches of science between me and the cold, cold, vastness of space . . .

I'D PRAY.

308 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:15:30pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Merry Christmas, KT!

309 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:15:45pm

re: #286 HoosierHoops
I hear you on the no ties! My grandmother used to give me ties and "dress" socks EVERY Christmas after I turned about 12 or so. And for a woman with otherwise excellent taste, her taste in ties and socks was all in her mouth! LOL!
Uh, what are Kobalt tools?
And I didn't know you were adopted; do you mind if I ask how old you were when you were adopted?

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:15:45pm

re: #303 victor_yugo

I like "The Hollow Men."

Imagine it read by Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith.

Youtube has Poe's "The Raven" read by Christopher Walken. Really cool.

311 SteveC  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:16:12pm

Well now its time to say good by to Jed and all his kin;
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin in.
You're all invited back again to this locality,
To have a heapin helpin of their hospitality!

Hillybilly that is. Set a spell, take your shoes off...

Y'all come back now, y'hear?

GOODNIGHT, EVERYBODY!

312 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:16:17pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Byzantine Hymn of the Nativity (watch to the end to see the list of images shown)
Merry Christmas, y'all

Sonova...! It's either Christmas Eve or Christmas around ther world, and here I am posting all of these existential poems on Little Green Footballs! Life is definitely weird, isn't it?

Heck it needs to be said more: Merry Christmas!

/and nelly was right...I'm emo...wah!

313 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:17:02pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now, that's just cool.

I don't suppose you know if there's a youtube of someone good reading The Bells?

314 rawmuse  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:17:09pm

Good night all! I hope all your Lizard wishes come true.

315 Bobibutu  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:17:13pm

re: #299 rawmuse

I thought the clay figures were cute.

Oh, yeah, and that restraining order thing from Warner Bros. ;)

I thot the pipe was classic.

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:17:56pm

re: #313 Dianna

Now, that's just cool.

I don't suppose you know if there's a youtube of someone good reading The Bells?

Bells has reading on Wiki.

317 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:18:02pm

re: #312 davinvalkri


Heck it needs to be said more: Merry Christmas!

/and nelly was right...I'm emo...wah!

Ah, suck it up or we will give you real reason to be emo. ;)

/emo's == goths with no hope of getting some.

318 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:18:22pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

The structure at the beginning of that hymn is parallel to the Hymn of the Crucifixion sung on Good Friday. A fitting pair of brackets commemorating the birth and death of Issa al-Masseh.

319 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:18:29pm

re: #224 victor_yugo

Actually, she was murdered.

Geezz, that lady was some piece of work!

320 Pietr  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:19:06pm

Merry Christmas to the Lizard Nation! (and a continuing Happy Hannukah)
May all enjoy peace, happiness, and prosperity in the forthcoming year....:>) :>) )>)

321 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:19:20pm

OK, I couldn't resist. This is the last section of Prufrock.

No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
Am an attendant lord, one that will do
To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
Deferential, glad to be of use,
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous--
Almost, at times, the Fool.

I grow old ... I grow old ...
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

I do not think that they will sing to me.

I have seen them riding seaward on the waves
Combing the white hair of the waves blown back
When the wind blows the water white and black.

We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.

322 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:19:41pm

re: #317 BlueCanuck

Ah, suck it up or we will give you real reason to be emo. ;)

/emo's == goths with no hope of getting some.

Well I don't think I'm a goth (right taste in poetry but wrong taste in music and fashion, nowhere close to Rome), but I don't think I have a chance of getting some. Eh. No matter.

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:20:11pm

re: #313 Dianna

I love Poe!

324 USBeast  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:21:31pm

re: #307 ggt

Ya know, If I were a gazillion feet above the Earth, outside it's atmosphere, having been launched their by a high-powered explosive, and I only had a few inches of science between me and the cold, cold, vastness of space . . .

I'D PRAY.

I'm sure I don't have this quote exactly right: "I was sitting on top of the low bid of a government contract with over a million moving parts. How do you think I felt?" John Glenn.

325 SFGoth  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:21:52pm

Ok guys and gals, I have scotch to drink and software to load, so's your on your own.

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:22:35pm
327 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:22:39pm

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!

328 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:22:47pm

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When I was a kid, and my mom was in classes and my brother uninterested, my dad would read me poems. He always claimed he wasn't good at it, but I owe my love of poetry to him, not my English teacher mom.

He read me The Bells when I was about six, and the wind was blowing like mad outside. I still remember sitting on the floor by his feet and trying to match the bells, bells, bells...

329 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:23:17pm

re: #309 realwest

I hear you on the no ties! My grandmother used to give me ties and "dress" socks EVERY Christmas after I turned about 12 or so. And for a woman with otherwise excellent taste, her taste in ties and socks was all in her mouth! LOL!
Uh, what are Kobalt tools?
And I didn't know you were adopted; do you mind if I ask how old you were when you were adopted?

Kobalt tools are the Cadillac of hand tools....Very nice
My Mother was an unwed 17 yr. old that gave me away when i was a baby.
I could have not been more blessed than being adopted to the most loving, coolest family around.. I have been blessed more than many..And I'll never forget that.

330 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:24:39pm

re: #311 SteveC
Good night SteveC - Sleep well and Happy Holidays!

331 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:25:13pm

This is one of my favorites; it's by Theodore Roethke:

Elegy

Her face like a rain-beaten stone on the day she rolled off
With the dark hearse, and enogh flowers for an alderman,-
And so she was, in her way, Aunt Tilly.

Sighs, sighs, who says they have sequence?
Between the spirit and the flesh, - what war?
She never knew;
For she asked no quarter and gave none,
Who sat with the dead when the relatives left,
Who fed and tended the infirm, the mad, the epileptic,
And, with a harsh rasp of a laugh at herself,
Faced up to the worst.

I recall how she harried the children away all the late summer
From the one beautiful thing in her yard, the peachtree;
How she kept the wizened, the fallen, the misshapen for herself,
And picked and pickled the best, to be left on rickety doorsteps.

And yet she died in agony,
Her tongue, at the last, thick, black as an ox’s.

Terror of cops, bill collectors, betrayers of the poor,-
I see you in some celestial supermarket,
Moving serenely among the leeks and cabbages,
Probing the squash,
Bearing down, with two steady eyes,
On the quaking butcher.

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:25:15pm

re: #328 Dianna

Do not like most poetry. But have always enjoyed Poe. I like some of the popular poetry, but most of it just sounds like,

"I gave my love a rubber peach..."

Glad you get enjoyment out of it.

333 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:25:53pm

re: #314 rawmuse
Goodnight rawmuse - Sleep well, I hope all your dreams come true, too!

334 zombie  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:26:14pm

Y'know the LGF "rotating titles" that used to be on the top of the page but are now on the sidebar? Well, I just got one of the original old-timey classics:

"I've got it! toasters!"

A question I've been meaning to ask since 2003:

Did that phrase come about as a satirical jab at MoveOn.org founder Wes Boyd?

(Who made his fortune creating screensavers for his computer software business Berkeley Systems, the most famous one of which was the famous "Flying Toasters" design -- which he ripped off directly from the cover from a Jefferson Starship album, later getting him into legal hot water -- though not enough hot water to stop him from retiring early and using his millions to found MoveOn.org in the late '90s.)

I've just always though the phrase came from the imagined scene when Wes Boyd was trying to think up a design for his screensaver, saw the Starship album, and said, "I've got it! toasters!"

Anybody know? Charles?

335 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:26:19pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Seeing that video, especially the view of the Virgin Mary (credited at 6:18) reminds me of my time in Europe, where I attended a university built around an Andalusian-era Catholic chapel. The chapel had a background for Mary very similar to that one, gold stars on a bright blue field.

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:26:25pm

Good Evening my friends. Merry Everything!

337 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:27:34pm

re: #319 ggt
Well, except for the word "lady" I'd agree with you.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:27:37pm

re: #334 zombie

Logical.

I've got it! Bedtime!

Merry Christmas Zombster!

339 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:27:43pm
340 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:28:17pm

re: #320 Pietr
Thank you Pietr - and the same Holiday wishes to you!

341 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:28:33pm

re: #324 USBeast

I'm sure I don't have this quote exactly right: "I was sitting on top of the low bid of a government contract with over a million moving parts. How do you think I felt?" John Glenn.

Yep, that is about it.

342 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:28:51pm

re: #339 ggt

Does Anyone Know What Christmas is All About?

"Lights, please?"

I cry every year.

343 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:29:11pm

Some people have way too much time and money. :)

344 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:29:53pm

re: #324 USBeast
ROFL! Well I remember him saying something like that too and I'm sure what you think he said is close enough for jazz!

345 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:30:05pm

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do not like most poetry. But have always enjoyed Poe. I like some of the popular poetry, but most of it just sounds like,

"I gave my love a rubber peach..."

Glad you get enjoyment out of it.

I'm not easy about poetry. There's stuff I love, but I think most modern stuff qualifies as "burn before reading." I'm thrilled when I read something good. I know when it is, because the hair stands up on the back of my neck, and my stomach drops.

It's why I was always so disappointed by Sylvia Plath. She'd have an opening line:

What a thrill -
My thumb instead of an onion.

And I'd get that sensation, and then the poem fell apart into mess and stupidity. There should be some way to get past all the "oh, I must be tormented" idiocy, and get back to writing actual poetry.

346 ggt  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:30:05pm

Have a great Day all! Whatever your Faith.

weet dreams!

347 Chicken Kiev  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:30:32pm

Ah God! to see the branches stir
Across the moon at Grantchester!
To smell the thrilling-sweet and rotten
Unforgettable, unforgotten
River-smell, and hear the breeze
Sobbing in the little trees.
Say, do the elm-clumps greatly stand
Still guardians of that holy land?
...
And sunset still a golden sea
From Haslingfield to Madingley?
And after, ere the night is born,
Do hares come out about the corn?
Oh, is the water sweet and cool,
Gentle and brown, above the pool?
And laughs the immortal river still
Under the mill, under the mill?
Say, is there Beauty yet to find?
And Certainty? and Quiet kind?
Deep meadows yet, for to forget
The lies, and truths, and pain?... oh! yet
Stands the Church clock at ten to three?
And is there honey still for tea?

Rupert Brooke, 1912

348 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:30:55pm

re: #343 BlueCanuck

Some people have way too much time and money. :)

Just as a point of order.. You can never have too much time or money.
LOL

349 USBeast  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:31:13pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Basil Rathbone Reads "The Bells"

Well, that was cheery.

350 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:31:49pm

re: #329 HoosierHoops
Ah geez, Hoops - my monitor is a little hazy right now.
But I am SO happy for you. Truly, Merry Christmas to you.

351 zombie  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:33:34pm

Correction: it was the very last Jefferson Airplane album before they became Starship:

30 Seconds over Winterland.

As a point of comparison:

Sample of the Berkeley Systems "After Dark" flying toaster screensaver.

352 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:33:48pm

re: #334 zombie
Good evening zombie - ya know sometimes you think of, ah, unusual things. But what you said makes sense to me, but I really don't know if it's true.

353 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:33:49pm

re: #349 USBeast

Well, that was cheery.

Only if you listen to the first two stanzas and stop.

354 zombie  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:35:11pm

re: #352 realwest

I think the only person who knows is Charles.

355 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:35:17pm
I am moved by fancies that are curled
Around these images, and cling:
The notion of some infinitely gentle
Infinitely suffering thing.

Or, why I forgive Eliot in four lines.

356 Pietr  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:35:46pm

Seems we're OT and on poetry; I therefor submit:

Tiger Tiger. burning bright,
In the forests of the night;
What immortal hand or eye.
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies.
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand, dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder, & what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat.
What dread hand? & what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain,
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp.
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile His work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?

Tiger Tiger burning bright,
In the forests of the night:
What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

357 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:36:01pm

re: #353 davinvalkri

Only if you listen to the first two stanzas and stop.

It's Poe. I can't think of a poem of his that stays happy.

358 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:36:26pm

Okay to get that "Ding fries are done" out of my head, I give you the original as done by the Celtic Women. Carol of the Bells.

359 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:36:48pm

re: #356 Pietr

Blake!

I want Jerusalem, though!

I have to walk dogs, so you have plenty of time.

360 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:36:59pm

re: #358 BlueCanuck

Okay to get that "Ding fries are done" out of my head, I give you the original as done by the Celtic Women. Carol of the Bells.

Let's try this again with the link. :p

361 USBeast  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:37:51pm

re: #353 davinvalkri

Only if you listen to the first two stanzas and stop.

I read all the stanzas years ago and have yet to read some happy Poe.

362 loveguru  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:38:01pm

Merry Christmas! :)

363 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:38:24pm

re: #355 Dianna

Or, why I forgive Eliot in four lines.

I am moved by fancies that are curled
Around these images, and cling:
The notion of some infinitely gentle
Infinitely suffering thing.

Moved to tears or to laughter?

/I am so so sorry, but it must be said.

364 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:39:03pm

re: #343 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue - you're right - the power companies! LOL!
HGTV has had an hour long show on the wildest Christmas lights houses - have y'all ever heard of Candy Cane Lane? Its several blocks in, iirc, L.A. (where else) where all the neighbors spend gazillions of bucks on stuff like that - only more so. And if you buy a house there, ENORMOUS social pressure is put on you to join in the fun!
Last years winner was on the show this year and it turns out he's Jewish, but got so caught up in it he wound up stringing something like 110,000 lights, with Santa Clauses, Reindeer and all the rest of it!

365 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:39:05pm

re: #360 BlueCanuck

Let's try this again with the link. :p

Wrong link! This isn't Celtic Woman!

366 SWPaul  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:40:37pm

God will not be winking at us? What is God making a pass at us? I'm glad to see my "insane Southern Baptist" stereotype is still intact.

On a lighter note, Merry Christmas everyone! I hope the big man breaks and enters to deliver wonderful items!

367 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:40:39pm

re: #346 ggt
Good night ggt - weet dreams to you too!

368 Pietr  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:41:05pm

re: #359 Dianna

Hmm...a Christmas challenge...Santa sent this...

And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon England’s mountains green
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On England’s pleasant pastures seen
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold:
Bring me my Chariot of fire!
I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In England’s green and pleasant Land.

369 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:42:22pm

re: #365 davinvalkri

Wrong link! This isn't Celtic Woman!

OOOOOppppps. Excuse me I am a little out of sorts right now. Too much Chrismas cheer before work. Here's the correct link.

370 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:42:39pm

Here are a couple of seasonal poems I wrote:

Winter Day

Brown leaves skitter on hard-skinned snow
As black arms clack in a cold dry breeze.
The grey sky sheaths the sun's hidden glow
And drifts have stacked atop gnarled knees.

The pond is coated with a solid shield;
Its frigid wetness trapped below,
And the dark woods loom beyond bare fields;
Their fence posts cloaked round blanketed rows.

The firewood is split and piled in lumps
With a path well-trodden from fuel to door
And a wood-axe nestles its head in a stump;
With finger grooves well in handle worn.

The cabin is boxy and strongly built
Secure beneath its quiescent crown;
Its roof lies covered with a pallid quilt
That seems to bed the homestead down.

The chimney reels out a cheerful trail -
A sign of the toasty warmth within;
The windows are clad in silver veils
And crystals dangle from eaves of tin.

Its logs are sealed with chink and joint
Which bar the chill and contain the heat
That radiates from the cozy hearth
Into the den and through bare feet.


Icicle Moon

The cave was a toasty cozy place
With a blaze of branches well alit
The blizzard raging outside its space
Could not intrude within one bit.
The blowing wind was broken by
Cascades of frozen waterfall
And even the wolves knew not the way
Inside this den tucked in the cliff wall.

But then the snow clouds blew beyond
As silvery flickers leaked inside
And gazing through the warped pane fronds
I was the source of the glow I'd spied.
A gibbous shining did hugely hang
As if 'twere poised to give birth soon
And my heart invaded my throat and sang
To the wondrous sight of that crystal moon.

371 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:43:01pm

re: #360 BlueCanuck
The link helps! LOL!

372 ladycatnip  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:43:05pm

343 Blue Canuck

That video had me laughing last December - I LOVED it!. Here's a couple of new ones - this one from Perth and this one is also cool.

Merry Christmas everyone!

373 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:43:45pm
374 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:43:46pm

re: #362 loveguru
Merry Christmas to you, too!

375 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:44:35pm

Carol of the Bells, sung in the original Ukrainian. (This uses an M3U playlist, so you need a working MP3 player.)

376 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:45:24pm

Umm...I SAW the source PIMF

377 SWPaul  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:47:22pm

Wait, I just remembered! Crazy Southern Baptist preacher means he has a smoking hot daughter who rejects everything he says! *tightens up the tie* Oh boy! Lol.

BTW, I was watching a show on TLC tonight and some couple had like 18 kids! 18! Brave, brave souls. I couldn't be trusted with a cat, much less 18 children.

378 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:47:51pm

re: #372 ladycatnip
Very cool ladycatnip - Merry Christmas to you!

379 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:48:10pm

re: #368 Pietr

Another one performed by ELP.

380 Pietr  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:48:24pm

re: #373 Ojoe

Milne and a very seasonal poem-one of hope, and a dream realized. Thank you.

381 zombie  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:49:11pm

re: #377 SWPaul

BTW, I was watching a show on TLC tonight and some couple had like 18 kids! 18! Brave, brave souls. I couldn't be trusted with a cat, much less 18 children.

That would be the Duggars. Famous for being the subjects of the most offensive column ever published in a mainstream newspaper -- by Mark Morford of the SF Chronicle, naturally.

382 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:49:17pm

Who knows about the five constipated men in the Bible?

383 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:49:28pm

re: #355 Dianna

Or, why I forgive Eliot in four lines.

I don't understand poetry..fancy word with little meaning ( to me )
Probably too complex for the hoopster.. Fancy words that tickle the ears
yet don't mine the depths of human emotions.. I write poetry all the time but I always strive to dig into human feelings and situations..
So I submit a little poem of mine....

When I think of all those nights
All those games we played
all those times I tried to leave
But all those Times I stayed
I still hear your laughter
and it cuts me like a blade
I live on a thin line
When I think of lovers
you are the finest in the world
moonlight through your window
Left you shinning like a pearl
You illuminate the difference
between a woman and a girl
I live on a thin line
yes..It's a thin line
between what is..and what is not
It's a thin line
Between what you need
and what you got..
I live on a thin line

Anyhoo..that's all i can remember without digging it up in my little books.
And I know I suck but i love writing stuff about the human condition

384 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:50:10pm

re: #377 SWPaul

Wait, I just remembered! Crazy Southern Baptist preacher means he has a smoking hot daughter who rejects everything he says! *tightens up the tie* Oh boy! Lol.

I'm pretty sure that's only in media, I'm afraid. I wish, though.
/death gaze to Drake.

385 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:51:02pm

re: #384 davinvalkri

I'm pretty sure that's only in media, I'm afraid. I wish, though.
/death gaze to Drake.

Uh, nope, it's a cliche based in reality.

386 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:51:31pm

re: #381 zombie
FAMOUS FOR IT? What the hell did he say zombie? (Y'all don't have to quote him, but a summary or link would be nice!).

387 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:52:01pm

re: #385 victor_yugo

Uh, nope, it's a cliche based in reality.

Since when?!

388 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:52:55pm

re: #363 davinvalkri

Named after the Swedish home furniture retail chain, IKEA Erotica describes the tendency of badly written sex scenes to be nothing more than "insert tab A into slot B" ad nauseam, as though the readers actually didn't know what goes where. The result is that the participants might as well be doing nothing more interesting than assembling a flat-pack wardrobe, the kind of affordable, Swedish, some-assembly-required crap IKEA is known for.

I am about to cry, I'm laughing so hard!

389 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:53:07pm

re: #387 davinvalkri

Since when?!

Since there have been "preachers' kids".

390 davinvalkri  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:54:00pm

re: #388 Dianna

I am about to cry, I'm laughing so hard!

Be careful, that site can be addicting. I've sunk an hour and a half straight following the links.

391 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:56:51pm

re: #390 davinvalkri

That's fine. I don't think I'm sleeping soon, anyway.

But I shall never, ever forget Ikea Erotica!

392 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:59:30pm

re: #381 zombie
Ah, found that disgusting pile of crap: [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

393 Pietr  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:59:55pm

re: #391 Dianna

re: #368 Pietr

Hmm...a Christmas challenge...Santa sent this...

And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon England’s mountains green
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On England’s pleasant pastures seen
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold:
Bring me my Chariot of fire!
I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In England’s green and pleasant Land.

394 Airborn Swine  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:00:39pm

re: #385 victor_yugo

Uh, nope, it's a cliche based in reality.

Indeed...My southern baptist Uncle has a classic PK daughter...multiple ink works including tramp stamp and a baby conceived several months prior to the private wedding performed by daddy himself. Typical blonde cutie rejecting the years of being under the thumb of a 6'4 man who BELIEVES that his voice is the voice of GOD. She was the model congregation member for about 15 years, and then the dam broke.

Then again I like her much better then her super thumper little brother who constantly calls her "whore" and "slut" during every family get together...pompous little shit.

395 loveguru  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:01:06pm

re: #374 realwest

Merry Christmas to you, too!

had u checked the link with my name ?

396 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:02:30pm

The Soothsmith's Song

I shall blast the bellows of hours past
Smelting ores of pain and joy, belief and desire
Of both baser and rarer mettle
And work to craft my Hammersongs.
Clarity is a kiln-pane, to be seen through, not seen.
The white-hot moments when shapes are beaten
Illumine by their intensity;
The subtly wrought point stings like serpents' truth.
And I shall be the soothsmith
And forge facsimile lives
And drive my spikes deep
That, cleaving to contrary hooves
They may yet hold fast my intentions.

Mine is not the alchemist's Art.
I do not blend, but bind and bend
A weighty matter with clumsy tools.
Quicksilver flees the casting pour
Forsaking pig slag, should the solve lack fervour.
Then should one rather render anew
Than palm dross arcs riven at a glance.
Still the pure issue must be fashioned.
A handcramp of anvilling follows
With heat and hammer precisely applied
And clear eye and caring ear
Seeking clean line and true ring.
Neglect is measured in a stricken gait:
The misshapen shoe curses its maker


The Tempest

A man was sitting upon a chair
In a red rut shotgun shed
Chin on palm and a thousand mile stare
Hearing voices inside his head.
"TRY and ignore us!" the voices cried
As the thunderheads mushroomed dark and wide
"We will not be bottled here up inside."
As the cannon boomed o'erhead.

"We know your soul's triumphs and despairs"
As the wind-whipped rafters moaned
"And the depths of the good and the evil there"
As foundations creaked and groaned.
"We know all the things that you've never tried"
As dark torrents drenched the world outside
"And the dreams from which your hopes have dried
And where lost years have blown."

"You know we know and you know we care"
As the lightning fell all aground
"Because we're you!" And though thunder blared
The little man heard not a sound.
And though blast and brilliance raged through the blind
O'ershadowed they were by his raging mind
As his thoughts of things lost, and left behind
Spun him wond'ring round and round.

397 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:04:47pm

re: #395 loveguru
Nope - just responded to what I thought was a generous statement by you. Well, I've been wrong before, and no doubt will be again, but still

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU!
;')

398 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:05:20pm

re: #393 Pietr

Ah...I updinged you the first time?

Thank you, it's lovely to see.

399 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:05:41pm

re: #394 Airborn Swine

Then again I like her much better then her super thumper little brother who constantly calls her "whore" and "slut" during every family get together...pompous little shit.

A regular chip off the ol' shoulder.

400 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:05:47pm

re: #380 Pietr

You are welcome.

Good Night All.

401 realwest  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:06:19pm

Well y'all I'm off to sleep now - I hope you all have a GREAT CHRISTMAS EVENING/EARLY CHRISTMAS DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

402 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:06:54pm

re: #394 Airborn Swine

Nobody's decked him?

Clearly, not. But a boy who did that in my presence would find out that actions have consequences.

403 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:07:56pm

re: #402 Dianna

Nobody's decked him?

Clearly, not. But a boy who did that in my presence would find out that actions have consequences.

Accourse, he'd just throw that attitude right back in your face.

Met 'em before, and I'll oppose them every time.

404 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:08:59pm

re: #329 HoosierHoops

Kobalt tools are the Cadillac of hand tools....Very nice
My Mother was an unwed 17 yr. old that gave me away when i was a baby.
I could have not been more blessed than being adopted to the most loving, coolest family around.. I have been blessed more than many..And I'll never forget that.

As a fellow adoptee, I second that emotion.

405 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:09:14pm

Good night realwest. Merry Christmas to you and yours. I hope you have a good turkey dinner tomorrow.

/thinking about having a jewish Christmas dinner myself. ;)

406 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:10:03pm

re: #402 Dianna

Suggestion:

A video camera, a TV, a chair, and some rope. Ball-gag optional.

407 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:11:05pm

re: #403 victor_yugo

Accourse, he'd just throw that attitude right back in your face.

Met 'em before, and I'll oppose them every time.

I'm an independent femme. Who I sleep with is my business; I do not interfere in marriages, I keep my hands off children, and I've never taken money for sex. No one has the right to question me beyond that.

Anyone who calls me - or any woman - names gets placed face-first on the floor, and I request a readjustment of their attitude.

408 Dianna  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:11:48pm

re: #406 victor_yugo

Suggestion:

A video camera, a TV, a chair, and some rope. Ball-gag optional.

He'd like it too much.

409 Salamantis  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:11:58pm

re: #406 victor_yugo

Suggestion:

A video camera, a TV, a chair, and some rope. Ball-gag optional.

The Ludovico Technique?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

410 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:12:11pm

Chinese Food on Christmas.

/hat tip littleoldlady

411 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:12:46pm

Are we getting an overnight thread here? Maybe Charles could feature a quote from Santa Claus vs The Martians instead of Plan 9 From Outer Space....

412 SWPaul  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:13:11pm

re: #392 realwest

I have this weird idea. I mean call me crazy as all hell here. Once upon a time I heard this wild theory that we lived in a free country where, within limits of the law and common sense, we made our own choices and did what we damn well felt like doing. If someone wanted to have 20 kids, then what the hell, who am I to care who, what, where, and why? They don't affect me, and they don't influence my life in any way. They're living in the country where they have free will to make their own choices.

Then these liberal fascists come along like Morford come along and decide they need to impose their own creepy views on a family they've never met, never will meet, and will never be imposed on by the Duggars. I've known the type all my life. Even when I was a leftist these people sickened me, and frankly, scared the hell out of me. If possible, they would regulate everyone's life to mirror their own. Their own pathetic, insecure, worthless life where all they can do is write stupid crap and laugh about it to their drone friends. They don't get freedom, they don't understand it, and they sure as hell don't want it for anyone different than themselves.

Someday, I hope idiots like Morford on the left and the right and apolitical ones and even moderate ones finally understand that they should just leave everyone the hell alone. Don't be a weird freak writing about a family thousands of miles away that don't mean jack to you. Man, one thing that really burns me up all the time.

Rant done.

413 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:14:13pm

re: #409 Salamantis

The Ludovico Technique?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yes, basically.

414 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:18:09pm

re: #392 realwest

Ah, found that disgusting pile of crap: [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

As a long time reader of the SF Chron.. You have to realize that Mark came on board to stir up radical view and look at things a little different in the Bay Area.
I liked him at first but then became discredited with me in the late 90's. If you ever link to Mark M. on the Internet realize this is a reader beware material.. I don't respect Marks work.. period..
But overall.. I love the Chon.. I always have and always will.. I read it every day. Love the Sporting Green! The best sports page in America..
oh..And do you want to get up in the morning and get jacked up and get ready for the day? without 10 cups of Italian Roast at 6am?
Read the letters to the Editor every day..
I love the SF Chron

415 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:19:05pm

re: #411 Fenway_Nation

Are we getting an overnight thread here? Maybe Charles could feature a quote from Santa Claus Conquers The Martians instead of Plan 9 From Outer Space....

Fixed.

416 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:19:40pm

Okay, all, I gotta bail. I'm up too late for my current lot in life.

417 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:20:10pm

re: #415 victor_yugo

Damn......I was only familiar with it in its MST3K context

418 SWPaul  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:22:19pm

re: #417 Fenway_Nation

Peak of Joel's work, IMO. Although I am a Mike guy....

419 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:22:34pm

Well....it ain't getting any earlier here! Think I'm gonna get me some shuteye....Merry Christmas everyone!

420 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:23:57pm

Merry Christmas Fenway. Should I give littleoldlady your regards?

421 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:24:53pm

Looking for a particular song, found this though. The top 20 Christmas songs and such.

422 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:25:39pm

re: #404 doppelganglander

As a fellow adoptee, I second that emotion.

{Doppel}
Several years ago.. I was contacted by my unknown Sister that our mom had right after me.. she is one year younger.
She paid like 20 grand to find our parents and me..
It blew me and of course my family away.
It was quite the reunion and we are very close now.
Her report is that our dad is still really a piece of trash...I will never call either of them.

423 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:25:44pm
424 Pietr  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:28:29pm

re: #398 Dianna

My bad-I refresh comments usually, so I thought you missed it. Just hitting 'new comments' doesn't refresh the page...:>O

425 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:29:40pm

re: #420 BlueCanuck

By all means, Blue....

Also, if Aussiemagpie or Crux Australias show up later on, I'm dying to know if the Aussies generally bother with fake snow on their Christmas decorations, since it falls in the middle of summertime down there,

426 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:32:02pm

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

Will do, and I will ask them.

427 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:36:16pm

Need some help here Lizards..
I just saw Realwest's head thump on his keyboard..
I need Some help here to carry him to Bed...
night RW

428 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 11:38:37pm

re: #427 HoosierHoops

Man Down, Man Down.

/yeah, I know it's a total different meaning, but the title