Overnight Open Thread

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Open • Fri Dec 26, 2008 at 10:42 pm PST • Views: 294

This is Eros, a space soldier from a planet of your galaxy. I fully realize our language differences, however I also know you finally have perfected the dictorobitary, or as you on Earth put it, the language computer. So you can now understand that which I speak. Since the beginning of your time, we have been far beyond your planet. It has taken you centuries to even grasp what we developed eons of your years ago. Do you still believe it impossible we exist? You didn’t actually think you were the only inhabited planet in the universe? How can any race be so stupid?

Plan 9 from Outer Space

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1 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:42:21pm

/next!

2 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:45:06pm

Seven Spanish Angels

Thought I'd get into it...

3 HelloDare  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:46:26pm

'Snowzilla' Wreaks Havoc in Alaska
A giant snowman named Snowzilla has mysteriously appeared again this year, despite a cease-and-desist order. Someone built the giant snowman in a man's front yard in Anchorage, Alaska.

4 aquariumly  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:48:02pm

I was JUST pondering this very thing... Everyone at the Christmas gathering had a cell phone in their pocket and a laptop for every couple. When I am 102, I will be saying to my 32 great grand kids, "I remember when I was little and had a military-issued cellular phone package that we only had for emergencies (and we didn't even have a land line) and to call your great great grandparents on Christmas day, sunny! Kids these days!"

5 ggt  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:49:14pm

Other plants may be inhabited -- is that for real?

/channelling troofers and ID'ers

6 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:51:58pm

re: #2 Noam Sayin'
Huh, you don't like to use that new-fangled thingie that Charles created for us on the prior thread?!

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:52:17pm

re: #1 Killian Bundy

You. Sonova. Bitch.

I already had that lined up when this embedded video thing jumped off, just waiting for the opportunity to be the first to post it like that, and you beat me to it.

Well played.

8 Semi Cartman  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:52:38pm
9 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:54:36pm

Huh. Ya know I've heard of Eros before, but not as a space soldier from our galaxy!
Hey Eros, c'mere, I got your stupid right here!

10 Emperor Norton  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:54:57pm

In the most advanced civilizations of our galaxy, there is no You Tube.

11 jaunte  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:55:19pm

Ha. PuffyJacket45.

12 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:57:05pm

re: #11 jaunte
Hey juante - how are ya doing? Uh que es un "PuffyJacket45"?

13 jaunte  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:58:14pm

re: #12 realwest

Just a funny line from Killian's 'first' post, above. One of the 'first poster's' nics from the video.

14 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 10:59:54pm

re: #13 jaunte Ah. I can't listen to YouTube videos now - make too much noise and wake mom up.

15 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:01:16pm

re: #6 realwest

Huh, you don't like to use that new-fangled thingie that Charles created for us on the prior thread?!

Huh? I thought I was. I always embed video links into some text that gives an indication of what it is. Guess Charles' new toy doesn't work that way.

16 ggt  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:01:44pm

So, the dogs go upstairs to sleep with the family and the cat decides I am , therefore, fair game. . . .

such is life.

17 Athens Runaway  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:02:05pm

Today, our archaeologists look through the trash of ruined civilizations to learn about them.

In the future, their archaeologists will look through Youtube to learn about us.

So really, the same effect.

18 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:02:06pm

re: #14 realwest

Do you have headphones?

19 Pietr  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:03:31pm

re: #16 ggt


If the cat chose you-you're good people...LOL.

20 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:03:31pm

I know it's Moby but, I like this song.

21 ggt  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:03:40pm

re: #17 Athens Runaway

Today, our archaeologists look through the trash of ruined civilizations to learn about them.

In the future, their archaeologists will look through Youtube to learn about us.

So really, the same effect.

In the future, there will be no electricity to run computers (bad for the environment, ya know). Everything will be transmitted via osmosis.

/tough on archaeologists. better for bambi.

22 ggt  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:04:06pm

now the cat is sitting next to me purring loudly.

What have I done to deserve this?

23 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:04:18pm

re: #18 Noam Sayin'
Nah, just some crappy little earnubs or somesuch.
Sure glad you got back from Fargo, ok though. Read your description on the prior thread - white knuckle all the way!
How long did it take ya?

24 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:04:22pm

re: #15 Noam Sayin'

Huh? I thought I was. I always embed video links into some text that gives an indication of what it is. Guess Charles' new toy doesn't work that way.

/you just copy/paste the raw YouTube browser URL into the LGF comment box

25 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:04:36pm

Viagra: Secret weapon in war with Taliban

WASHINGTON - The Afghan chieftain looked older than his 60-odd years. His bearded face bore the creases of a man burdened with duties as tribal patriarch and husband to four younger women. His visitor, a CIA officer, saw an opportunity, and reached in his bag for a small gift.

Four blue pills. Viagra.

"Take one of these. You'll love it," the officer said. Compliments of Uncle Sam.

The chieftain was a clan leader in southern Afghanistan who had been wary of Americans. He had extensive knowledge of the region and his village controlled key passages through the area. U.S. forces needed his cooperation.

Four days later, the American returned. "He came up to us beaming," the CIA officer said. "He said, 'You are a great man.'"

This should help us put up stiff resistance against the Taliban.

26 ggt  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:04:37pm

re: #19 Pietr

If the cat chose you-you're good people...LOL.

No, I think he likes the warmth. . .

27 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:05:11pm

re: #22 ggt
Uh, didja have a tuna fish sandwhich as a snack or something?!

28 HelloDare  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:06:46pm

re: #1 Killian Bundy

Isn't that a variation on the word "first"? Methinks you're banking on Stinky's yuletide goodwill.

29 Pietr  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:07:10pm

re: #22 ggt

now the cat is sitting next to me purring loudly.

What have I done to deserve this?


Think real hard...and GEE the cat comes to you...LOL. Cats are Purrsons,and they only allow certain humans to grace their presence-even fewer are allowed to touch them. Think on that...

30 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:07:18pm

re: #25 Noam Sayin'
"This should help us put up stiff resistance against the Taliban."
Why wood it?!
:)

31 just another four-letter word  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:07:28pm

Sorry, Eros, we ARE that stupid.

We elected the Obamination, didn't we?!? We re-elected the same dumbasses that got us into this mess, didn't we?!?

I rest my case.

JAFLW

32 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:07:32pm

re: #20 MandyManners

It's one of the only tunes I've purchased off of iTunes.

I'm a Bourne fan.

33 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:08:11pm

Why didn't I buy the kids a wii this year? If I could buy this accessory I would have.Cool

34 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:08:40pm

re: #25 Noam Sayin'

Viagra: Secret weapon in war with Taliban

This should help us put up stiff resistance against the Taliban.

That's an awesome article.

/got bitched at 12 hours ago for posting it for the umpteenth time myself

35 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:09:45pm

re: #23 realwest

How long did it take ya?

About fours, as usual. Just unnerving. Got better toward the Twin Cities, as the temps got up to 40 by the time I got home.

36 tommygum  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:10:02pm

re: #30 realwest

"This should help us put up stiff resistance against the Taliban."
Why wood it?!
:)

Heh-heh heh-heh. You said wood.

37 Pietr  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:10:19pm

re: #25 Noam Sayin'

I wooden bet on it...seems like a soft frail, thing (that's what she said...Dangit)...mind, I'm only discussing the 'Other Guys' lack of hornitiative...LOL.

38 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:10:46pm

re: #28 HelloDare

Isn't that a variation on the word "first"? Methinks you're banking on Stinky's yuletide goodwill.

/I don't think so, the word first is nowhere in that comment

39 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:11:30pm

re: #35 Noam Sayin'

Give your mousie a kiss good night from me.

40 ggt  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:11:43pm

re: #27 realwest

Uh, didja have a tuna fish sandwhich as a snack or something?!

LOL --no

41 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:11:47pm

Ok y'all - I gotta get some sleep here! Hope you all have a GREAT EARLY EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.


Good night, all.

42 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:11:48pm

re: #23 realwest

When you plug in your earbuds, the sound on your computer cuts out the main speakers, doesn't it?

43 ggt  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:13:09pm

weet dreams all!

44 realwest  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:13:41pm

re: #42 Noam Sayin'
Yeah, but the sound from these earbuds sucks really badly.
NOW I'm off to sleep!

45 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:14:03pm
46 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:14:14pm

re: #34 Killian Bundy

That's an awesome article.

/got bitched at 12 hours ago for posting it for the umpteenth time myself

I've been out of town for a couple days; was somewhere East of Alexandria 12 hours ago.

47 Pietr  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:14:22pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Miss Manners! Do you realize what you just posted (and Noam is probably like all us males, if he could. he would)...

/white smoke...seeking my bunker...LOL

48 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:14:24pm

Nighty-night, Lizards!

49 just another four-letter word  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:14:38pm

re: #42 Noam Sayin'

When you plug in your earbuds, the sound on your computer cuts out the main speakers, doesn't it?

Yes.

JAFLW

50 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:15:17pm

re: #47 Pietr

Nothing dirty on my part. Noam is in a duel with a mouse in his house.

51 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:15:43pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Give your mousie a kiss good night from me.

So...

many...

options...

Let's go with this one:

I'll kiss yours if you kiss mine.

52 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:16:46pm

re: #47 Pietr

re: #50 MandyManners

Oh, shit.

Run, Pietr!

53 LeePro  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:16:57pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Give your mousie a kiss good night from me.

Uh oh.
Can we get video of that?

54 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:18:24pm

re: #46 Noam Sayin'

I've been out of town for a couple days; was somewhere East of Alexandria 12 hours ago.

That's no excuse, you we're in your brother's basement yesterday and, besides, you're required by law to go through all the links on all the threads to make sure you're not posting a duplicate.

/how to catch a mouse without a mousetrap, seems pretty foolproof

55 Pietr  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:19:56pm

re: #50 MandyManners


He needs one of those glue trap things...it live traps them until you can move them elsewhere. No violence/blood involved...I've caught and released a lot of critters. I've also killed a bunch before they could actually harm mine-place and time are everything...'Night Ms Manners...Weet dreams...

56 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:21:01pm

re: #34 Killian Bundy

It is a good article.


"If you give an asset $1,000, he'll go out and buy the shiniest junk he can find, and it will be apparent that he has suddenly come into a lot of money from someone," said Jamie Smith, a veteran of CIA covert operations in Afghanistan and now chief executive officer of SCG International, a private security and intelligence company. "Even if he doesn't get killed, he becomes ineffective as an informant because everyone knows where he got it."

The key, Smith said, is to meet the informant's personal needs in a way that keeps him firmly on your side but leaves little or no visible trace.

/except for the four-hour boner showing through his tunic.

That whole story could produce an entire pun thread.

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:23:07pm

re: #28 HelloDare

Precisely why I wanted to be the first to post that vid, embedded style, but Killian beat me to it by just more than a hair.

It's only clever/original the first time. It will get old quick, and likely be a regular deletion.

:sigh: Someone scuffed up my shiny new widget, I don't want it no more.

58 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:26:08pm

re: #54 Killian Bundy

You're right. My bad. One demerit for me in the official log.

That is an ingenious mouse catcher. Of course, I'd rather just kill them and throw them in the garbage.

What are your cats doing this weekend?

59 tommygum  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:27:49pm

re: #45 MandyManners

I saw this here earlier today.

Countdown until Obama leaves Office
1485 Days, 09 Hours, 46 Minutes, 39 Seconds.

Upding and green heart.

60 Pietr  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:29:53pm

re: #58 Noam Sayin'

You're right. My bad. One demerit for me in the official log.

That is an ingenious mouse catcher. Of course, I'd rather just kill them and throw them in the garbage.

What are your cats doing this weekend?

I'll reply for Killian, as 1 of the 'cat owned'...eating, drinking, and sleeping-with occassional demands for petting/total subservience...LOL.

61 HelloDare  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:29:59pm
62 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:31:20pm

re: #55 Pietr

Actually, glue traps are pretty cruel. The mouse is unable to get the glue off his paws, which makes him incapable of surviving. I'd rather just give the li'l bugger a swift, time-honored demise.

Haven't seen much activity, so perhaps the poison baits have done their work. I'm going to reset traps this weekend with a mix of peanut butter and bread crumbs. I've discovered the peanut butter I buy is far too creamy to offer any sort of resistance, and the dude can lick the trap plate clean without tripping it.

He's also known to move the traps out of his way.

63 pat  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:31:55pm

Hey? Did that fellow land on Islamoplanet?

64 LeePro  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:32:47pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

Hi, {Slumbering B}!

I thought it was funny enough, I guess... 'bout the most intelligent remark in the whole thing was at 2:37.

65 Outrider  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:33:25pm

re: #55 Pietr

He needs one of those glue trap things...it live traps them until you can move them elsewhere. No violence/blood involved...I've caught and released a lot of critters. I've also killed a bunch before they could actually harm mine-place and time are everything...'Night Ms Manners...Weet dreams...

I found Decon worked best when field mice invaded my house one Winter. The glue traps were to slow for the sheer numbers that showed up. The Decon desiccated them so there was no odor or rotting carcasses either.

The only qualifier I would add...if you have pets/kids, put the bait where they do not go. In my case, the garage and attic. They were gone, literally overnight.

66 HelloDare  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:33:34pm

Wonder if you could adapt the Squirrel Melts recipe and make Mouse Melts.

67 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:35:47pm

re: #62 Noam Sayin'

so perhaps the poison baits have done their work

Inside the wall.

/what's that smell?

68 Pietr  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:36:27pm

re: #62 Noam Sayin'


As a catch and release type-take a jar of alcohol with you-and let it slowly run thru the trap, once you are where you wanna be. Once the mouse/rat gets loose from the cardboard trap-they will book. Just my $.02 worth...

69 Erik The Red  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:37:15pm

re: #66 HelloDare

Wonder if you could adapt the Squirrel Melts recipe and make Mouse Melts.

OMG now I think I have seen it all.

70 Pietr  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:37:45pm

re: #65 Outrider


Evenin', Outrider-wassup?

71 LeePro  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:37:45pm

re: #66 HelloDare

Ewww!

And now I gotta go to bed with that in my head!
G'nite, {good Lizards}



~ Love the new toy, Charles! Can we have still photos and graphics now?

...running...ducking

72 Outrider  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:38:54pm

re: #70 Pietr

Evenin', Outrider-wassup?

Daughter and her family got home late last night, so we celebrated Christmas today. It was a great day.

Yours?

73 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:40:01pm

re: #67 Killian Bundy

Inside the wall.

/what's that smell?

I've done it before, with no smell. I usually find them under a piece of furniture, all dehydrated and unsmelly.

I'm going to clean up the baits this weekend, and go back to the traps. I prefer a confirmed kill, and occasionally cat sit, so I don't like that stuff laying around.

74 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:40:55pm

Time for bed, y'all.

Catch ya in the morning.

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:42:58pm

re: #64 LeePro

I saw that vid (maybe linked here) a long while back, and it was the first thing I thought of when Charles started working on this embedded video thing. I wanted to be the first Lizard to post the "First" video in the first comment on such a thread, just for the laughs. But KB beat me to it. He was first.

{LeePro} I hope you had a Merry Christmas, with lots of food and family and what-not. Hows the chompers?

76 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:46:03pm

re: #54 Killian Bundy

That's no excuse, you we're in your brother's basement yesterday and, besides, you're required by law to go through all the links on all the threads to make sure you're not posting a duplicate.

/how to catch a mouse without a mousetrap, seems pretty foolproof

you read the comments?

77 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:46:39pm

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

I saw that vid (maybe linked here) a long while back

/it's definitely not the first time I've linked that video, it's good for shaming first posters, if they survive long enough

78 Killian Bundy  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:48:57pm

re: #76 JimmyTheClaw

you read the comments?

/now I have, why?

79 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:50:53pm

re: #78 Killian Bundy

/now I have, why?

was tempted to go post 10 ways to use a bassmatic 2000 with humanely cought mice

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:53:06pm

re: #77 Killian Bundy

Heh. First posters have no shame.

81 Rustler  Fri, Dec 26, 2008 11:59:32pm

Another good mouse trap is to take a coffee can cut out the bottom spread peanut butter on outter edge and run a bit of clothes line thru it and sit in a tup of water. Mouse will run accross rope for the peanut butter the can spins dumping him in water and resets leaving mouse to drown. Non humane version.

82 stevieray  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:02:57am

re: #77 Killian Bundy

/it's definitely not the first time I've linked that video, it's good for shaming first posters, if they survive long enough

I think we had a thread based on that video about a year ago...iirc.

83 winston06  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:10:59am

for cat lovers

84 gmsc  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:12:09am

re: #61 HelloDare

According to Barack, he gets to be President 8 to 10 years.

I heard that. As a matter of fact, the footage of him saying that is the last segment on this obama blooper reel:

85 winston06  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:12:42am

re: #61 HelloDare

he wishes...

86 gmsc  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:21:56am

And now for something completely different: The similarities between Britney Spears' new single "Womanizer" (2008), and the theme from the show "Lidsville" (1971):

87 silas  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:29:30am

Obama can say a gaff a minute, and the as whole media will completely ignore it.
Thanks libs.

88 abolitionist  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:30:02am

re: #84 gmsc

And the one where he promised that, as President, he'd begin troop withdrawls from Iraq by December 2008 ... somewhere in the great MSM memory hole, I guess.

89 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:30:16am

Here duckie duckie.

/don't even think about it

90 gmsc  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:35:26am

re: #89 Killian Bundy

Here duckie duckie.

/don't even think about it

Rubber ducks and music don't mix.

Everyone knows you gotta put down the duckie if you wanna play the saxaphone!

91 freetoken  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:36:07am

Well... if Charles is still exploring the great depths of Plan 9... I feel compelled to link to the following great exposition on the meaning of life... with vocal accompaniement by none other than the ピーナッツ !

92 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:36:17am

re: #72 Outrider


I cooked a ham amd veggies, and the missus did other veggies. Spent a lot of time caring for my feral kitties and my dog, My indoor cats were Pi**ed off-but they got love 2...LOL. Non-typical Christmas-but what would you expect with me...LOL. Glad your's has been pleasant so far. 1 electronic wiz 2 another...:>) :>) :>)

93 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:45:25am
94 freetoken  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:52:45am

re: #93 Killian Bundy

Hey... nice links.

95 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:53:48am

re: #93 Killian Bundy

Being a sarcastic SOB-I'd wanna say you're hung up on young asian girls. But these young ladies play something other than guitar and drums! And it has a definite Asian flavor-musicwise...I liked it. Do I need to say more...not sure?

96 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 12:57:37am

re: #95 Pietr

Being a sarcastic SOB-I'd wanna say you're hung up on young asian girls. But these young ladies play something other than guitar and drums! And it has a definite Asian flavor-musicwise...I liked it. Do I need to say more...not sure?

Nope, just good musicians.

/I'm a blonde addict

97 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:00:06am

re: #96 Killian Bundy

Hmmm-guess I missed the blonde...LOL

/white smoke...

98 shiplord kirel  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:02:20am

The really frightening thing about the latest India Pakistan reports: It is the most reliable military journalists whose reports are the most alarming.

Bill Roggio-Pakistan deploys troops from tribal areas to the Indian border
Orbat.com-Analysis of Pakistani troop movements

My estimation: India will strike within 72 hours, before Pakistan can consolidate the defenses in the Multan sector. There is no future in gradual escalation, either, so they will come with everything they have except their nuclear weapons. The latter must be withheld for political reasons, putting the onus of first use on the Pakistanis.

99 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:06:02am

re: #98 shiplord kirel

Good assesment-I felt te same. Pray we are both wrong, because this could escalate/destroy any sane rule in Pakistan. Not something the world needs...:>(

100 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:08:50am

re: #98 shiplord kirel

There is no future in gradual escalation, either, so they will come with everything they have except their nuclear weapons. The latter must be withheld for political reasons, putting the onus of first use on the Pakistanis.

It won't go nuclear. Pakistan's warheads aren't stored mated to delivery vehicles and we'll prevent that from happening by any means possible.

/India wins a conventional war in a landslide

101 Karridine  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:12:50am

re: #99 Pietr

Good assesment-I felt te same. Pray we are both wrong, because this could escalate/destroy any sane rule in Pakistan. Not something the world needs...:>(

I agree that no sane person WANTS war, and yet we have turned away from constructive, unifying peace for so long (150+ years now) that IF India-Pakistan triggers it, the conflagration could very well spread to other seriously dysfunctional regimes for a final cleanout, allowing world-wide healing...

Its like vomiting the sick-causative OUT, or a fever that burns the pathogen OUT...

We only have one world, and we can surely benefit from learning to live in justice, courteous respect, equality of men & women, the oneness of humankind and with independent investigation of the truth allowed for all humans...

102 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:14:52am

In fact, given the situation in Pakistan and the possibility of a radical Islamic overthrow, it'd be strategic military malpractice for us not to have multi-layered contingency plans to spike their nuclear capability.

/otherwise, what the [expletive deleted] am I paying taxes for?

103 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:18:06am

re: #98 shiplord kirel

The really frightening thing about the latest India Pakistan reports: It is the most reliable military journalists whose reports are the most alarming.

Bill Roggio-Pakistan deploys troops from tribal areas to the Indian border
Orbat.com-Analysis of Pakistani troop movements

My estimation: India will strike within 72 hours, before Pakistan can consolidate the defenses in the Multan sector. There is no future in gradual escalation, either, so they will come with everything they have except their nuclear weapons. The latter must be withheld for political reasons, putting the onus of first use on the Pakistanis.

India is not likely to use nukes first, if for no other reason then they are in the down wind pattern of any explosion in Pakistan.

104 shiplord kirel  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:18:37am

re: #102 Killian Bundy

In fact, given the situation in Pakistan and the possibility of a radical Islamic overthrow, it'd be strategic military malpractice for us not to have multi-layered contingency plans to spike their nuclear capability.

/otherwise, what the [expletive deleted] am I paying taxes for?

I think you're probably right. There are many options, with the grotesque consequences of failure justifying the most extreme measures.
Patriotic and sane Pakistanis may be in a position to sabotage any orders for nuclear deployment, we might be feeding the necessary intel for a pre-emptive strike to the Indians, or we might be prepared to use our own forces in such a strike.

105 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:19:00am

re: #102 Killian Bundy

In fact, given the situation in Pakistan and the possibility of a radical Islamic overthrow, it'd be strategic military malpractice for us not to have multi-layered contingency plans to spike their nuclear capability.

/otherwise, what the [expletive deleted] am I paying taxes for?

if we had any plans, the NYT would have published them by now, just to protect your right to know of them...

/white smoke

106 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:27:37am

re: #104 shiplord kirel

we might be feeding the necessary intel

We have a pretty good track record, dating back to at least GWI, of of getting way inside foreign C3I networks, reading the mail and feeding false data as if it were reality.

/you could ask Saddam how well that worked, but he's dead

107 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:27:44am

re: #105 redc1c4
The ad crunch for the NYT is making them lay off payed informants in the Govt I hope.

108 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:29:33am

Whale wars is funny. This one chick well we do this cause you know whales are much better and more helpful to the environment than people are.

109 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:30:26am

re: #105 redc1c4

They probably woukd've, red. But this would be a MORE classified plan-and the leak would be known-because of the "tell" on the released document. IMHO-and knowledge of TSC-SCI handling. I'd LOVE to see 1 of these suckers get burnt for treason, but don't want the USA burnt because of such traitors-because Americans would probably die...:>(

110 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:32:19am

re: #109 Pietr

Yeah it's alway nice that everyone gets a slightly different format on the real high end stuff to make leaks easier to trace.

111 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:34:14am

Omg now they are printing up phony un warrants. What's gonna happen when one of these morons gets shot raiding foreign ships or even arrested for piracy or terrorism for sabotage.

112 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:35:34am

re: #109 Pietr

They probably woukd've, red. But this would be a MORE classified plan-and the leak would be known-because of the "tell" on the released document. IMHO-and knowledge of TSC-SCI handling. I'd LOVE to see 1 of these suckers get burnt for treason, but don't want the USA burnt because of such traitors-because Americans would probably die...:>(

i'm guessing you're referring to subtle wording/phrasing changes on individual copies of document "x" so that if the subject is broached, the list of potential leakers can be narrowed by examining the text released...

(unless, of course, the leakers reword the document themselves, prior to release. %-)

and no, i'm *not* fishing for TTP's, since i have no need, nor desire to know.

113 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:36:55am

re: #112 redc1c4
Not only that but between agencies they will sometimes change the name on the plan to help.

114 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:36:59am

re: #111 Rustler

Omg now they are printing up phony un warrants. What's gonna happen when one of these morons gets shot raiding foreign ships or even arrested for piracy or terrorism for sabotage.

they're gonna die if they get shot, and they'll try for a media circus if they get arrested.

(i see you made it, finally... %-)

115 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:39:31am

re: #114 redc1c4 Lol was more a question on what the Govt responce would be to either situation. Its funny the boarding party is gonna be all female maybe because it seems less threatening.

116 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:39:36am

re: #110 Rustler

That's one way to know-but there are more 'tells' in each document, when it gets that classified. My only question-why haven't certain informers and their reporter been tried? The crap the NYT has USED to UNDERMINE the security of this country is documented-and the Adinistration and DOJ SHOULD know who BETRAYED their country, in time of war. Why aiint it been done!?

117 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:41:20am

Damn these people are big time amateurs. Can't launch a boat maybe they should reconsider what they are doing.

118 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:42:09am

re: #116 Pietr
Same reason Obama and Pelosi weren't tryed for Logan act violations.

119 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:43:10am

Treason and America Hate are the new "in thing", patriotism is out.

120 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:43:12am

Good morning all. How goes the thread and stuff?

121 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:44:22am

hey Blue how's the weather.

122 freetoken  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:45:15am

re: #120 BlueCanuck

We were having a bit of a YouTube embedding contest earlier...

123 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:45:50am

Haha they turned off the sat phone and put it in hte dry bag so no Comm's with the ship. Capt just told em if you don't answer you can't go back out. And they are calling for a Doc now.

124 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:46:06am

re: #121 Rustler

hey Blue how's the weather.


Hey Blue...
Rustler, Bet he says 'Cold'...

/white smoke

125 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:46:58am

re: #116 Pietr

That's one way to know-but there are more 'tells' in each document, when it gets that classified. My only question-why haven't certain informers and their reporter been tried? The crap the NYT has USED to UNDERMINE the security of this country is documented-and the Adinistration and DOJ SHOULD know who BETRAYED their country, in time of war. Why aiint it been done!?

Cheer up, Obama's the incoming CINC and hundreds of his rabble posse will get significant security clearances, even though, aside from being POTUS, Obama himself couldn't get within 50 light years of obtaining one. What's not to like?

/I fully expect to find out about the aliens before the end on January

126 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:47:53am

The Obama coin is up to a 4 coin set. Maybe I should buy a set to melt down or use as target practice.

127 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:48:57am

re: #123 Rustler

Haha they turned off the sat phone and put it in hte dry bag so no Comm's with the ship. Capt just told em if you don't answer you can't go back out. And they are calling for a Doc now.

/what are you watching/listening to?

128 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:49:07am

re: #125 Killian Bundy

But can we get to visit Area 51? Can't believe, without visual ID...

129 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:49:33am

Worst thing is one coin appears to show from Hawai'i other has Illinois.

130 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:50:29am

re: #127 Killian Bundy
Whale wars just stopped as I was flipping and couldn't believe the crap I started hearing so started watching.

131 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:51:07am

re: #128 Pietr
Area 51 sure but getting to sub area 51b is impossible.

132 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:51:57am

re: #121 Rustler
Well last time I checked it was raining.

re: #122 freetoken

Gah, I think the new imbedding tool slows down ff on me and my computer. cool stuff though.

133 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:52:36am

Washington and Kennedy must be free spinning in their graves over the Obama picture next to em on their respective coins.

134 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:52:39am

re: #128 Pietr

But can we get to visit Area 51? Can't believe, without visual ID...

Old news.

/Dulce, New Mexico is where the action is

135 Pietr  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:52:52am

re: #126 Rustler


Like the "O" promises, they are worth 1/20th what is portrayed-and some/all, may even be fake...Oops, did I just say that?...:> )

136 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:53:19am

re: #132 BlueCanuck
Be glad your on FF not IE since IE has problems with more than 25 embedded vids.

137 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:54:07am

re: #130 Rustler

Whale wars just stopped as I was flipping and couldn't believe the crap I started hearing so started watching.

/alright, I get it

138 Salem  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:55:02am

My Vampira and Tor portrait. Still needs work but I don't know when I'd finish it. Meh...

139 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:55:09am

re: #136 Rustler

Not looking forward to the work computer then. Uses Internet Exploder 6. Boss refuses to upgrade any of the software. :p

/would like at least a more improved browser and chat programs. . . .

140 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:56:28am

Actual location for Area 51 is groom lake in Nevada.re: #134 Killian Bundy

141 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:57:23am

Dulce is called Location b i think.

142 shiplord kirel  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:57:48am

I have been to "Area 51" and I have even told the truth about it in public. Problem is, none of the thousands of A-51 devotees are willing to believe me.

The truth: There are no ETs there, alive, dead, fragmentary, petrified, hibernating, or in stasis. There are no ET artifacts there. Elvis Presley is not there. JFK is not there. Sasquatch I am not sure about.

See?

143 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 1:58:19am

re: #136 Rustler

Be glad your on FF not IE since IE has problems with more than 25 embedded vids.

/actually, if you go back and look, IE was the one browser that didn't have problems chewing on the bandwidth before Charles bypassed the drain

144 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:00:10am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

145 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:00:53am

littleoldlady has no access today, probably won't till Tuesday.

146 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:01:20am

re: #143 Killian Bundy
Wow lol my home desktop which is way worse than the laptop and has about 20% the bandwidth for internet was loading and running faster than the laptop I use at work.

147 Salem  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:01:49am

Vampira Tribute

148 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:02:00am

re: #144 BlueCanuck
Oh Oh now we have blue brand fruit cup.

149 Mel Lono  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:02:40am

Just Singing A Song

Is this thing on?

150 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:04:58am

re: #138 Salem

My Vampira and Tor portrait. Still needs work but I don't know when I'd finish it. Meh...

/that style reminds me of Kevorkian and those sell

151 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:05:02am

re: #148 Rustler

Yeah, it is kinda of fun. Watch out for the Blue Curaco though. It can pack a mean punch.

152 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:07:49am

Thought Blue Curacao was just added as flavor to mixed drinks?

153 Mel Lono  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:07:52am

re: #144 BlueCanuck

How does embed vid work again?

154 Mel Lono  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:08:57am

re: #152 Rustler

When it's raining, it adds color to a Blue Hawaiian!

155 Salem  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:09:13am

re: #150 Killian Bundy

/that style reminds me of Kevorkian and those sell

Yeah, his stuff is interesting, alright.

156 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:10:14am

re: #153 Mel Lono

How does embed vid work again?

/just copy/paste the raw browser URL for a YouTube video into a LGF comment box

157 Mel Lono  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:14:13am

re: #156 Killian Bundy

Saw that post. Didnt seem to work. ohhh wait... without the linky thing.

158 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:15:27am

let's try this new thing out. Cats chasing tails.

159 Mel Lono  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:16:43am

re: #158 BlueCanuck

Kinda like a chocolate box.. you never what you're gonna get.

160 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:17:45am
161 Salem  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:18:09am

Join the Order of GREEN BLOOD!

162 Mel Lono  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:18:28am

You know what I missed this holiday season... Sandler's Hannukah song. Didnt hear it once on the radio..

163 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:19:20am

re: #162 Mel Lono

I heard it at least once. Always get a chuckle out of it.

164 Abu Boo Boo  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:22:39am

Israel finally launches a series of airstrikes against the PaliNazis...

165 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:23:52am

re: #160 Iron Fist Yeah especially concidering all the other morons they have had to deal with.

166 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:23:59am

re: #144 BlueCanuck

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

morning Lizards well done Blue. Where is Shamuta?

167 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:25:00am

re: #166 Erik The Red
Haven't seen her recently maybe she ran afoul od Azreal and Gargamel.

168 Abu Boo Boo  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:25:26am

Hamas claims 40 dead.

169 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:25:56am

Where? re: #168 Abu Boo Boo

170 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:26:47am

re: #166 Erik The Red

Don't know. One reason why I am up so early is that I got the message from realwest that littleoldlady had internet connection issues. Actually thinking about going to bed and getting some more sleep. It's quiet and peaceful now, and I could always use more sleep. :)

171 Abu Boo Boo  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:27:02am

Gaza... Hamas compound one of the targets.

172 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:28:03am

Ahh so 40 dead Hamas members they didn't kill 40 Isrealis.

173 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:29:01am

How much you want to bet by this evening it ends up being less than 10 Hamas members and a large number of innocent civilians.

174 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:29:25am

re: #164 Abu Boo Boo

Israel finally launches a series of airstrikes against the PaliNazis...

Hamas says Israeli strikes hit compounds in Gaza

Hamas says a series of Israeli strikes targeted its compounds throughout the Gaza Strip, causing widespread panic.

TV footage showed bodies of more than a dozen black-clad security men lying on the ground in one area.

/stop launching rockets dumbasses, hell, Pavlov's dogs are quicker on the uptake responding to negative reinforcement

175 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:32:39am

re: #166 Erik The Red

Where is Shamuta?

/why, is there some petulant down dinging needed?

176 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:33:45am

re: #171 Abu Boo Boo

Good to hear that Israel has finally punished the Hamas terrorists for their rocket attacks. Only question I have is what took them so long?

177 Abu Boo Boo  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:34:33am

re: #174 Killian Bundy

Actually, Israel has been absorbing these atacks for month after month.

Unfortunately, these airstrikes are just jockeying for the upcoming elections.

Israel will be condemned, the airstrikes will be halted, and the rocket attacks will just continue.

178 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:34:38am

re: #176 BlueCanuck An eye for an eye doesn't fly in the court of public opinion if you are Isreal or the US.

179 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:34:45am

re: #175 Killian Bundy

/why, is there some petulant down dinging needed?

No lol gave her the fruitcup duties. Haven't seen her for the last 2 days. Everyone missed fruitcup yesterday.

180 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:36:43am

re: #179 Erik The Red

I was in no shape yesterday for fruitcup. Think I was snoring at the time. Made sure I was here today.

181 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:37:33am

re: #179 Erik The Red

No lol gave her the fruitcup duties. Haven't seen her for the last 2 days. Everyone missed fruitcup yesterday.

/BlueCanuck dispensed the fruit cup this morning

182 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:38:34am

Be back later gonna make security checks etc now.

183 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:39:27am

re: #180 BlueCanuck

I was in no shape yesterday for fruitcup. Think I was snoring at the time. Made sure I was here today.

I was here but got pulled away and by the time I got back it was 20 late.

184 Abu Boo Boo  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:47:25am

Latest report: 120 dead.

185 tappin52  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:48:12am

Are there any blue fruits?

186 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:49:15am

re: #185 tappin52

Are there any blue fruits?

Blueberries?

187 tappin52  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:51:00am

That was so easy, I can't believe I overlooked it. I guess I'd better go make coffee...

188 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 2:55:21am

John invented the scalloped fretboard, because the basic fretboard couldn't contain his speed. Don't believe me?

/watch him school Al Di Meola

189 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:02:14am

re: #177 Abu Boo Boo

Israel will be condemned, the airstrikes will be halted, and the rocket attacks will just continue.

/but Israel got quite a bit here, in one fell swoop, lots of dead terrorists, all carefully targeted

190 surly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:03:11am
Pavlov's dogs are quicker on the uptake responding to negative reinforcement

I think the negative conditioning of bombs raining down on their heads is outweighed by the positive reinforcement of international condemnation of Israel, more "humanitarian" aid, and the inevitable stampede of sympathetic statesmen who themselves come oozing out of their offices like slobber from a Pavlovian dog's mouth whenever Israel has the gall to fight back.

191 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:04:23am

re: #177 Abu Boo Boo

cant help wondering if the airstrikes are linked to this story...

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

"Report: Iran preps humanitarian aid ship to Gaza Strip "
"The cargo contains over 2,000 tons of food, medicine and appliances and it will be accompanied by 12 Iranian doctors and relief workers," he told AFP.

ship is due to arrive in Gaza Jan 6th.

i wonder if Mossad have gotten information on the REAL contents on that ship...

192 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:05:57am

re: #189 Killian Bundy

/but Israel got quite a bit here, in one fell swoop, lots of dead terrorists, all carefully targeted

indeed... and they got the police chief as well. really does appear to be a "decapitation" attack, designed to wipe out the leadership of Hamas in one go.

193 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:06:43am

re: #190 surly

I think the negative conditioning of bombs raining down on their heads is outweighed by the positive reinforcement of international condemnation of Israel, more "humanitarian" aid, and the inevitable stampede of sympathetic statesmen who themselves come oozing out of their offices like slobber from a Pavlovian dog's mouth whenever Israel has the gall to fight back.

It's definitely a multi-track conflict.

/tonight, lots of the correct people were killed, wholesale

194 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:09:10am

re: #193 Killian Bundy

I'm now waiting for Hamas to start parading a dead baby or have a baby milk factory type video, to show how indiscriminately Israeli pilots kill in Gaza.

195 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:09:15am

hmmm... interesting.

sky news has quoted an IDF spokesman as saying that the "bombardment is only beginning"...

196 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:09:58am

re: #195 buzzdroid
Good follow it up with ground troops to root out everything left in gaza and deport em to Syria/Iran.

197 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:10:08am

re: #194 Rustler

I'm now waiting for Hamas to start parading a dead baby or have a baby milk factory type video, to show how indiscriminately Israeli pilots kill in Gaza.

already done. endless-loop-hospital-scene on sky news now, complete with two obviously uninjured children being carried to the hospital...

198 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:11:04am

re: #197 buzzdroid Ok now time to go make the coffee.

199 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:16:23am

re: #196 Rustler

Good follow it up with ground troops to root out everything left in gaza and deport em to Syria/Iran.

that could well be want Hamas actually WANT. it would be a disaster for the IDF as they are lured into that hornets nest.

just think of the time Hamas have had to turn Gaza into a death trap for any IDF ground force...

its a tough one. and i sure as hell am glad i'm not an Israeli commander making these intensely difficult decisions.

200 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:16:24am

re: #194 Rustler

I'm now waiting for Hamas to start parading a dead baby or have a baby milk factory type video, to show how indiscriminately Israeli pilots kill in Gaza.

For sure, Israel will take [expletive deleted] for this simultaneous coordinated strike on multiple targets.

/the dozens of targeted terrorists Israel killed tonight will still be dead after all the hand wringing's over

201 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:18:57am

oh dear god - some Pallywood spokesman on sky news now using the "most densely populated place in the world" as if THATS an excuse to launch rocket attacks on israel.

no it isnt - Hong Kong sure as hell is vastly more densely populated, and they arent launching rocket attacks on China FFS!

202 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:19:22am

Okay, I am out of here for awhile. Stay scaly lizards.

203 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:21:27am

re: #200 Killian Bundy

For sure, Israel will take [expletive deleted] for this simultaneous coordinated strike on multiple targets.

/the dozens of targeted terrorists Israel killed tonight will still be dead after all the hand wringing's over

only going by the sky news hospital scenes - but i noticed that there are none of the usual black clothed Hamas heavies with AK47s in any of the coverage.

all wiped out?

i sure as f**k hope so.

israelis timed the attacks to coincidence with a Hamas "police" graduation ceremony...

204 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:21:57am

Blago's Attorney wants Rahm and Valerie Subpeopnaed.

205 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:22:13am

sorry - typo... "to conicide with..." is what i meant to type.

206 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:22:23am

re: #202 BlueCanuck

Okay, I am out of here for awhile. Stay scaly lizards.

later Blue

207 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:23:36am

re: #202 BlueCanuck

Okay, I am out of here for awhile. Stay scaly lizards.

I have a you tube video just for you can you hang for a few? It is crude but I love the comedian.

208 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:25:50am

Gaza death count over 140 now.

209 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:28:07am
A statement from Islamic Jihad said: "All fighters are ordered to respond to the Israeli slaughter."

Umm jackasses Israel was responding to the Rockets you were firing during the ceasefire.

Sky correspondent Rachel Younger said: "Hamas blamed Israel for that collapse.

"They said Israel was not letting enough food and medical suppliers through into Gaza."

She added that the role of Egypt would now be vital, as the Egyptians "feel Hamas has been ignoring their efforts to broker a peace deal."

210 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:28:28am

ok - breaking news...

initial reports referred o "police buildings" , or "police compounds"

Lion Ben-Dor, Israeli Embassy spokesman (in the UK), is on Sky News and has made it VERY clear - the IAF has targetted training camps, factories producing Qassam rockets, and the command and control centres of Hamas itself.

its not JUST the "police compounds"... this truely is a decapitation attack on a huge scale.

211 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:30:50am

israeli embassy spokesman - hamas are deliberately installing military compounds in densely populated areas.

yup - sounds like human shielding to me.

212 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:31:22am

re: #210 buzzdroid

Timed when kids were getting out of school, which means neither they nor their parents were likely home tho Hamas officials used the getting out of school thing to try and make it seem like kids were targeted.

213 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:32:59am

re: #211 buzzdroid

israeli embassy spokesman - hamas are deliberately installing military compounds in densely populated areas.

yup - sounds like human shielding to me.

Asymmetrical warfare.

/it's the proper thing to do using that strategy

214 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:34:05am

re: #213 Killian Bundy
Sell Israel more smart bombs. Surgical building destruction works for me.

215 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:34:55am

Lion Ben D'or : "Hamas have shot 5,000 rockets in past the 3 years, with 200 being fired in the last week".

and in Haaretz:
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

"The statement said the military strikes were predicated on precise intelligence amassed in recent months. The IDF said it is targeting a wide array of top Hamas officials."

sky news update: Egypt has opened border with Gaza. more rockets fired from gaza at southern israel.

216 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:36:05am

re: #214 Rustler

Sell Israel more smart bombs. Surgical building destruction works for me.

Guided Bomb Unit-12 (GBU-12)
Paveway II

/lethal "plinking"

217 blueboy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:36:11am

Israeli forces have responded to the Kassam attacks with airstrikes on Gaza and the fakery has already begun. The TV pictures show lots of grown men arriving at hospital generally with no visible injuries. A couple of bloodied guys have been seen arriving on foot, one in uniform, the other in suit and mackintosh. No doubt more fauxtography will follow.
British TV commentators are falling for the propaganda hook line and sinker and giving the Israeli spokesman a hard time, virtually labelling him a baby killer.

218 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:36:45am
The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more waves followed.

Hamas security compounds are often located in civilian areas. The first air strikes took place as children were leaving school. Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the streets and women frantically looked for their children.

One man sat in the middle of a Gaza City street, close to a security compound, alternately slapping his face and covering his head with dust from the bombed-out building. "My son is gone, my son is gone," wailed Sadi Masri, 57. The shopkeeper said he sent his son out to purchase cigarettes minutes before the airstrikes began and now could not find him. "May I burn like the cigarettes, may Israel burn," Masri moaned.

From WGN channel 9 in chicago.

219 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:37:06am

re: #212 Rustler

Timed when kids were getting out of school, which means neither they nor their parents were likely home tho Hamas officials used the getting out of school thing to try and make it seem like kids were targeted.

interesting. so the schools would be away from the semi-residential "Hamas compounds"... and thus the civilian casualties were lessened enormously.

220 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:37:18am

Just saw this for the first time. A bit late

221 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:38:34am

re: #219 buzzdroid
Yeah that was my thinking when i saw it look at my 218 above tho for Chicago's take on the timing.

222 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:39:24am
In one of the Hamas compounds, the bodies of more than a dozen uniformed security officers were seen lying on the ground. One survivor raised his index finger in a show of Muslim faith, uttering a prayer. Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber, witnesses said.

Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed. Hamas said it would seek revenge, including launching new rocket attacks on Israel and sending suicide bombers to Israel.

"Hamas will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood," said Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum, speaking on a Gaza radio station.

Also from WGN channel 9

223 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:40:03am

Looks like all Hamas compounds were taken out.

224 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:42:16am
225 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:42:58am

sky is showing another scene - main gaza police station apparently.

only one car blown up. other cars in the car park untouched.

thats odd - an airstrike wouldnt do that.

carbomb attacks as well , in order to provoke utter fear in the Hamas leadership?

226 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:43:57am

re: #224 Killian Bundy

/need more precision with less "bang"?

see my 225 above...
maybe the israeli airforce already has sometime like that.

either that, or thats a carbomb.

227 surly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:44:47am

So is Tzipi Livni acting PM? I must say I didn't think she had it in her.

228 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:45:52am
Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed. Hamas said it would seek revenge, including launching new rocket attacks on Israel and sending suicide bombers to Israel.

/from Hell's heart I stab at thee, for Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee

229 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:46:20am

found it - media fakery is already on yahoo news via AFP

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"In this image taken from APTN video, Palestinian men carry two injured children into hospital after Israeli aircraft struck Hamas security compounds"

230 surly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:48:03am

re: #228 Killian Bundy

"And he piled upon the whale's white hump, the sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it." -Herman Melville, Moby Dick.

231 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:50:07am

sorry.. linky doesnt allow me to link to photos directly.
try photo 15 .


more fakery at photo 23 - dusted policement, clearly walking , and is somehow so "injured" that he needs to be taken to hospital...

232 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 3:55:02am

another weird clip on sky news...

two dead hamas guys ., in the middle of the road, near the entrance to the police station.

NONE of the surrounding buildings have any damage.

233 surly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:02:07am

re: #232 buzzdroid

Satellite-based death rays?

234 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:02:35am

sky news : reuters : rocket fired from gaza has killed one israeli.

235 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:03:10am

re: #233 surly

Satellite-based death rays?

No , they must be EVIL ZIONIST satellite based death rays.

236 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:05:11am

re: #234 buzzdroid It will be called justified because of the Israeli attack even tho Israel was responding appropriately after having just sat and taken it on the chin for the last 6 months.

237 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:05:17am

sky news seems to be falling for the faux propaganda hook , line and sinker..
dont these media types have any brains?

and the gall of them - some sky reporter saying "and these images broadcast will only led to an increase in violence"...

yeah - BECAUSE YOU BROADCAST THEM, WITHOUT A CRITICIAL EYE, YOU PILLOCK!

238 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:09:25am

just saw another replay of that clip of the hamas police station car park...

yup - just ONE car blown up. buildings untouched. obviously extremely targetted.

car bomb? or maybe targetted with a Predator drone armed with a machine gun?

239 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:12:11am

fox news camera : airstrikes STILL going on. another blast has just gone off...

240 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:12:44am

re: #238 buzzdroid Depends car bomb likely would have blown car outwards and you'd be able to tell the explosion was internal. Can't seem to find any footage on Sky's website tho and no access to the televised footage.

241 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:15:18am

live camera has just shown another blast - in central gaza city.

obviously this IAF operation is still going on.

242 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:16:57am

re: #240 Rustler

Depends car bomb likely would have blown car outwards and you'd be able to tell the explosion was internal. Can't seem to find any footage on Sky's website tho and no access to the televised footage.

might be on yahoo news photo slideshow. the car chassis is intact, but burned out.

machinegun attack igniting the petrol tank?

243 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:18:03am

Israel's military won't confirm or deny report on practice run for Iran strike

A New York Times report published Friday quoted U.S. officials as saying more than 100 Israeli F-16s and F-15s staged the maneuver over the eastern Mediterranean and Greece in the first week of June. It said the aircraft flew more than 900 miles, roughly the distance from Israel to Iran's Natanz nuclear enrichment facility, and that the exercise included refueling tankers and helicopters capable of rescuing downed pilots.

/no rest for the weary

244 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:21:16am

[Link: news.sky.com...]


slideshow at bottom...

photo 18: lots of dead terrorists...

245 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:25:13am

re: #244 buzzdroid
Photo 18 looks like it took 2 or 3 bomblets from a cluster bomb.

246 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:26:10am

fox news guy , on the israeli side of the border, was asked by sky news why he wasnt reporting from gaza.

he said that its incredibly difficult to do that , unless your are a palestinian journalist.

bear that in mind with all the camera footage being shown... its obvious that this is all hamas approved footage.

247 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:27:44am

And the 2 dead girls in photo 39 are a result of a palestinian mortar misfire.

248 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:27:59am

re: #245 Rustler

Photo 18 looks like it took 2 or 3 bomblets from a cluster bomb.

if you scroll through that photo set, you'll see more of the dead terrorists.

wouldnt a cluster bomb burn out a car, but not explode it? that cluster bomb idea sounds the most likely, with regards to the hamas central police station.
(hardly any damage to the buildings, beyond shrapnel... no large crater)

249 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:34:50am

/invoking the 48 hour rule

250 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:35:02am

re: #248 buzzdroid
Depends on the type of munition used some contain shrapnel others just small explosive packets whick cause wide spread but not sever damage from the picture one bomblet may have hit above passengers seat and one passenger side on hte hood and one fairly central on hood near headlights.

251 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:35:34am
252 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:36:44am
Sky please stop misleading the people of Britain! These are not attacks against "Hamas" these are attacks against innocent unarmed Palestinian citizens. Fighter jets bombing schools and children on their way home. Stop this pro-Israeli propoganda and just try to be unbiased for once in your history.
Posted By :Nathan

This guy needs to open his eyes.

253 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:37:57am

re: #251 taxfreekiller

your credit score is 730

/what did you do wrong?

254 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:38:49am

Looks like I lost link to slide show that i was looking at a minute ago bah.

255 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:41:16am
256 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:44:25am
Hamas deputy chairman Mousa Abu Marzook told Sky News: "We act against Israeli aggression. The Israelis hit some people and we react against them with rockets."
257 akak  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:44:38am

re: #246 buzzdroid

fox news guy , on the israeli side of the border, was asked by sky news why he wasnt reporting from gaza.

he said that its incredibly difficult to do that , unless your are a palestinian journalist.

bear that in mind with all the camera footage being shown... its obvious that this is all hamas approved footage.

Call CNN maybe they can contact some their terrorist sniper pals for a favor.

258 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:47:35am

re: #257 akak
CNN will have an hour long tribute for all the palestinian men in uniformed killed in the Horrendous Israeli airstrike. With staged photos courtesy of their Hamas home office.

259 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:47:56am

re: #255 taxfreekiller

Border Patrol Officer Ramos spent Christmas in solitary confinement, so called guilty, ya protecting you and your national border.

He discharged his weapon, policed his brass, and pretended nothing happened, that's a crime, so say the jury and the appelate courts. What happened to his partner anyway?

/that said, he's suffered enough, 20 days left to lobby for a pardon

260 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:50:18am

re: #257 akak

Call CNN maybe they can contact some their terrorist sniper pals for a favor.

/Juba

261 akak  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:53:21am

What is a "military passing out ceremony"?

Sounds like a palliwood production.

262 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:56:29am
263 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:57:47am

re: #262 taxfreekiller

#259

bull shit

rigged trial
there was no proof it was Ramos bullet that was in the drug dealer
they gave a life long drug dealer immunity in order to convict Ramos
the whole trial was dirty.

Bush and his little todie buddies are guilty as hell.

/what happened to his partner?

264 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:57:49am

re: #252 Rustler

This guy needs to open his eyes.

Hamas THEMSELVES have just confirmed that "all security compounds" in gaza have been hit.

265 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 4:58:47am
266 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:00:42am

re: #261 akak A locked knees production.

267 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:03:54am

re: #264 buzzdroid
Yeah killian linked video about an hour ago and I'd mntioned All compounds destroyed around same time.

268 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:03:57am
269 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:04:11am

dead terrorist count has gone up to 155 now.

sky news have announced that Arab governments are going to have an "emergency meeting" in response to that IAF attacks.

funny that - they didnt bother having an "emergency meeting" when hamas was merrily firing off rockets every day...

watch now for the UN and EU condemnation of Israel's "disproportionate response" in 3...2...1...

270 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:07:34am

re: #265 taxfreekiller

On trials and convictions in Texas.

19 convictions in Dallas county Texas have been over turned with DNA evidence in the last year alone,,

19

Ramos isn't going anywhere, without a pardon.

/it's now well beyond guilt or innocence, it's what can be done by 1/20, although I see Obama more sympathetic to the cause

271 akak  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:08:18am

re: #269 buzzdroid

dead terrorist count has gone up to 155 now.

sky news have announced that Arab governments are going to have an "emergency meeting" in response to that IAF attacks.

funny that - they didnt bother having an "emergency meeting" when hamas was merrily firing off rockets every day...

watch now for the UN and EU condemnation of Israel's "disproportionate response" in 3...2...1...


That's a shame, clearly needs to be much higher number.

272 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:09:21am

Drive by link drop:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

155 Killed by Air Strikes in Gaza

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Israeli aircraft launched air attacks across Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 155 people, including the Hamas police chief and other officials, according to Israeli and Palestinian sources.


Smoke rises from the Gaza town of Rafah after Israeli airstrikes on Saturday.

The Hamas military wing issued a statement saying it had fired a rocket toward the Israeli city of Askelon, and Israeli sources confirmed one Israeli was killed and two hurt when the rocket made a direct hit on a house.

Palestinian medical sources said 250 people were wounded in the air raid in Gaza.

The strikes followed several days of rocket attacks from Gaza into Israel.

A statement from the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Israeli aircraft attacked "a series of Hamas targets and infrastructure facilities."

273 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:10:09am

re: #271 akak Might only be 155 dead but a lot of there training compounds, Qassam manufacturing plants, and bases of operation were destroyed along with what looks to be Hamas' security chief and other high level operatives. I could live with cutting the head off the snake.

274 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:10:27am
275 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:11:09am

re: #270 Killian Bundy
I don't see Obama helping Compean or Ramos.

276 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:11:26am

i still cant help wondering if the IAF attack is something to do with the Iranian freighter on its way to Gaza that i linked to earlier

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

of course , you need to put on your IranoIslamic translation goggles on - for "humanitarian aid" read "weapons, and LOTS of them"...


of course, attacking and sinking that iranian ship would give iran a pretext for launching attacks on israel via Hezbollah, or even directly, via their missiles.

much better , right now, for israel to go after the iranian proxy that will be in receipt of that iranian shipment - namely Hamas in Gaza.

277 Crux Australis  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:11:49am

Gaza is like a hornets nest. Just giving it an occasional "whack" from time to time won't do. All you do is anger the hornets and they attack again.

278 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:12:56am

re: #275 Rustler

I don't see Obama helping Compean or Ramos.

/then it's ten more years, because Bush will be gone

279 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:13:16am

re: #277 Crux Australis
Which is why I earlier said the air strikes need to be followed by ground troops picking everyone up and sending them to Syria/Iran.

280 akak  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:13:49am

re: #276 buzzdroid


Hamas does not need a pretext, nor Hezbashitza, nor al-Qaeda, Iran, Pakistan etc etc.

281 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:15:20am

re: #278 Killian Bundy
Yeah they will serve their sentences for doing their jobs. Some protocol was violated but should have resulted in only Administrative actions taken on them, possibly including firing and barring from further border patrol work. But they definately shouldn't have received jail time.

282 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:15:41am

re: #274 taxfreekiller

8 of the top 10 auto theft cities in the U.S. are full of illegals and close to the border.

You are paying the cost in your ins bill.

/tell me something I don't know, what's the solution and who do we turn to for it?

283 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:16:09am

haaretz news ticker...
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

rockets are STILL being fired at israel..
14:23 Sirens sound in city of Ashdod (Channel 10)
14:22 Palestinian rocket explodes in Negev town of Kiryat Gat for first time (Channel 10)

( thats about 1 hour ago... roughly)

284 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:16:31am

re: #281 Rustler

Yeah they will serve their sentences for doing their jobs. Some protocol was violated but should have resulted in only Administrative actions taken on them, possibly including firing and barring from further border patrol work. But they definately shouldn't have received jail time.

/what are you going to do about it?

285 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:16:53am

re: #283 buzzdroid ///These are just retaliations from an unjustified Israeli attack.

286 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:17:29am

re: #277 Crux Australis

Gaza is like a hornets nest. Just giving it an occasional "whack" from time to time won't do. All you do is anger the hornets and they attack again.

i think you're right.. see my 283 above.

287 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:17:40am

re: #284 Killian Bundy
///I'm gonna sit down and shut my mouth.

288 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:20:33am

re: #276 buzzdroid
More than likely predators or some other Intelligence gathering source did show Weapons and Equipment being loaded on and hidden under the aid package things.

289 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:20:58am
290 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:21:58am

re: #287 Rustler

///I'm gonna sit down and shut my mouth.

/the ACLU/Obama people should relish breaking these persecuted border patrol heroes out of jail, no?

291 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:23:13am

re: #290 Killian Bundy Instead it'll be Mustard gas for em.

292 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:25:45am

"extremely overcrowded" gaza strip

google maps close up

[Link: maps.google.com...]

293 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:26:30am

I will never again stop on the side of the road to help accident victims. Some young lady in CA sueing her friend for paralyzing her while pulling her from a burning car.

294 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:26:47am
295 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:26:58am

re: #288 Rustler

More than likely predators or some other Intelligence gathering source did show Weapons and Equipment being loaded on and hidden under the aid package things.

yes indeed... that's why i find the israeli response so peculiar..

it aint usual for them to make such a HUGE air attack.
almost feels like a race against time.

296 eaglewingz08  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:27:49am

Pardon me while I wipe a crocodile tear from my eye about the poor palis all snuggled in their beds while Hannukah Harry rained bombs from the skies. They were warned, they chose to escalate and now they reap what they sowed. I am only waiting for Obama to say that both sides should restrain themselves, in his classic morally relatavistic immoral manner.

297 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:28:37am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the IAF has been terrorist hunting in Gaza. 120+ dead; most admittedly terrorists (according to the NYT at that) although watch for Hamas and their media minions to hype the women and children angle as soon as possible.

Hamas already has Egypt and PA calling Israel's attacks war crimes. Figures. Israel defending itself is a war crime, but Hamas firing kassams to kill and maim Israelis is a heroic struggle.

Israel warns that this was just the opening salvo. Let's see if Israel has the staying power to completely obliterate Hamas in Gaza, or whether they'll succumb to international pressure within days. I'm betting on the latter, even though Israel's best chance for improving its security posture is to beat Hamas into dust.

298 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:28:53am

re: #296 eaglewingz08 In this case Obama will unilaterally blame Israel and make Palestine out to be an innocent victim, I can alread taste it.

299 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:30:17am

re: #297 lawhawk

If they have days they can make a good headway into crippling hamas at least. My worry is that this good start will be the finish becasue of international pressure.

300 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:31:12am

re: #295 buzzdroid

Well, Hamas fired 100+ rockets and kassams at Israel in the past three days. I'd say that was pretty much a race against time too; they knew that Israel would eventually rain down hell on Gaza (more than it already is Hell) and destroy what kassams and mortars are stockpiled there.

I haven't gone though all the photos yet (and many are quite gory), but I'm interested in seeing just how much of the damage was due to secondaries - Israel hit weapons caches, and if some of those explosions detonated the caches, that could explain some of the additional damage.

301 akak  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:31:42am

?

re: #298 Rustler

In this case Obama will unilaterally blame Israel and make Palestine out to be an innocent victim, I can alread taste it.

"if the political winds change, I will side with Islam."

302 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:33:06am

re: #299 Rustler

That's why I fear the pause is a big mistake. Israel needs to follow on with continued airstrikes against Hamas - both inside Gaza and in the West Bank. I'd say go after Hamas in Syria, but that's not going to happen because of strategic concerns (and it's also why it's laughable that Hamas says that its leaders are not afraid to die).

Israel needs to drop the hammer on Hamas hard - and repeatedly. I give them until Monday before the UN starts its inevitable rumblings.

303 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:33:27am

re: #300 lawhawk
100 in the last 3 days over 5000 since 2005, yet israel will be seen as the aggressor.

304 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:33:27am

Good Morning LGF
Israel's initial attack on Hamas has exceeded most expectations of the current Kadima government. Let's hope it is finally a line in the sand which signals Israeli unwillingness to tolerate the daily terror attacks from the Gazan terrorist entity.
If the IDF destruction of Hamas infrastructure continues at this rate then current terrorist rocket-firing capability will be temporarily destroyed.
However it will also be necessary for Israel to occupy a strip of land in south Gaza to cut off the Egyptian supply routes in order to put a stop to the resupply of missiles and other weapons of terror and resumption of the terror attacks.
It will be critical to see if Israeli leadership will finally show the resolve to ignore the expected world-wide chorus of cries for them to stop this long overdue operation to protect their citizens from the daily terror attacks.

305 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:33:50am

re: #302 lawhawk
They are continuing currently.

306 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:35:09am

re: #304 Spare O'Lake If Israel cuts off egyptian supplies from Gaza it will cause an Incident. Even tho Egypt sends virtually no food or medicine.

307 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:36:43am

re: #295 buzzdroid

yes indeed... that's why i find the israeli response so peculiar..

it aint usual for them to make such a HUGE air attack.
almost feels like a race against time.

Or the opening stage of a wider operation.

308 akak  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:37:36am

al-BBC has full blown Palliwood productions already

309 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:38:04am

Why, despite the Chicken Littles, Britain will not fail.

/Live At Wembley Stadium

310 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:41:20am

Disapointing

JERUSALEM, Dec. 27 (Xinhua) -- Israel has no plan to invade the Gaza Strip in its efforts to end the continuing rocket attacks from the Hamas-ruled enclave, President Shimon Peres said in an interview published Saturday.

"Israel will take all steps demanded of it in order to stop the rocket fire," he told the London-based newspaper Asharq al-Awsat, adding that "We will not go into Gaza. There are other ways. We didn't leave Gaza in order go back.

311 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:44:06am

re: #306 Rustler

If Israel cuts off egyptian supplies from Gaza it will cause an Incident. Even tho Egypt sends virtually no food or medicine.

I'm hoping Livni told Mubarak the facts of life when they recently met, and that Egypt's response will be lip service only.

312 Rustler  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:47:03am

re: #311 Spare O'Lake

We can hope.

313 quickjustice  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:50:20am

NPR is lamenting the deaths of children in Gaza. These attacks on Israel can't stop until the tentacles in Syria and Iran are cut off.

As Iran gets its bomb, look for an arms race involving nuclear proliferation in the Persian Gulf. The Arab states will all want their own bombs. We're the most likely source of such proliferation technology, but Israel could become a player.

Ironically, Iran's bomb could become the basis for Israeli peace with the Arabs.

314 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:52:37am

re: #308 akak

al-BBC has full blown Palliwood productions already

same on sky news. they just had a Islamonutter going on and on and on, comparing Israel to the Nazis, and "warcrimes" and on and on and on and so forth.

you know the drill.

315 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:54:13am
RAMALLAH, West Bank (AFP) — Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas said on Saturday that he was in "urgent contact" with numerous countries over the deadly Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip.

"We have carried out urgent contacts with numerous Arab countries and other nations to stop the cowardly aggressions and massacres in the Gaza Strip," Abbas told AFP from Saudi Arabia which he is currently visiting.

Heh, pound sand asshole.

316 bp sf  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:54:38am

Hey IAF! Over Here! Teaneck, NJ needs Hamas Removal!

[Link: jpeg-pile.tripod.com...]

317 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:57:14am

Sarkozy calls Israeli strike on Gaza 'disproportionate'

Paris - French President Nicolas Sarkozy accused Israel of using disproportionate violence in its attacks on the Gaza Strip Saturday. The bombardment must stop immediately, Sarkozy, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency, said in Paris.

Sarkozy also condemned the launching of rockets by Palestinian militants on Israel from the Gaza Strip and called for an end to the "unjustifiable provocation" that had led to the current situation.

There was no military solution in the Gaza Strip, he said.

Why didn't he say anything before when the missiles were flying into Israel?

318 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:58:55am

re: #312 Rustler

We can hope.

Good Morning Lizards! Hey Rustler

319 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 5:59:03am

and as night follows day, the BBC toes the pro-Hamas line
note the use of language:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

"Israeli F-16 bombers have launched a series of air strikes against key targets in the Gaza Strip, killing at least 155 people, medical chiefs say."

here's the buzzdroid translation guide:
"F-16 bomber" - the F-16 multi role jet fighter
"key targets" - Hamas military compounds in residential areas
155 "people" - 155 terrorists, mostly Hamas
"medical chiefs" - Hamas operatives.

320 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:00:55am

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

Sarkozy calls Israeli strike on Gaza 'disproportionate'

Why didn't he say anything before when the missiles were flying into Israel?

because Sarkozy wants to be the Head of a Mediteranean European Union, which will include Arab states.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

321 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:00:55am

Good morning y'all - from a cool (43 degrees goin up to 56 degrees) cloudy and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone today?

322 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:01:33am

re: #318 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! How are you today?

323 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:01:54am

re: #321 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a cool (43 degrees goin up to 56 degrees) cloudy and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone today?

Good Morning! just got here myself RW

324 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:03:10am

UK foreign office
"We urge maximum restraint to avoid further civilian casualties."

325 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:03:21am

re: #323 HoosierHoops
LOL! 21 seconds!

326 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:05:12am

Huffpo:

Christmas Spirit Shattered in the Holy Land

...Today, a tense atmosphere in anticipation of more bad news and an air of sadness engulfed East Jerusalem in the aftermath of the Gaza attacks. The spirit of Christmas has all but died.

Israel has killed the spirit of Christmas.

327 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:05:25am

re: #325 realwest

LOL! 21 seconds!

Had fun last night.. Dinner, Clubbing, Dancing..My super secret illegal handgun i keep in my waistband did not misfire.. So that's good thing.. LOL

328 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:06:09am

So Hoops - how the heck are you today?!

329 summergurl  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:06:27am

Morning Everyone -

Catching up to speed on the Gaza/Israel sitch ---

330 Gang of One  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:07:03am

re: #324 buzzdroid

UK foreign office
"We urge maximum restraint to avoid further civilian casualties."

Did these yobs say this while the Katyushas were coming in from Hamasistan?

/didn't think so

331 akak  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:08:20am

There should definitely be more BBC/CNN on-site coverage of Gaza, who knows what could happen.

332 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:08:37am

re: #327 HoosierHoops
Ah you youngin's - out eating and dancing and shooting yourself in the leg!
Uh, sorry, watched the NY GIANTS 1997 DVD last night, and it makes me think we'll suit up and play everyone the way we always do (there's been speculation that we would "rest our starters").

333 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:08:52am

Interesting report in the TIMES/London:

"Around 30 missiles destroyed security compounds run by the militant group Hamas in the centre of Gaza City, killing dozens and leaving many buried under the rubble. "

And:
"An Israeli military statement claimed the operation targeted “Hamas terror operatives” as well as training camps and weaponry storage warehouses. "

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Hi Lizard Nation - something compelled me to go online, waiting for my visitors which will arrive in a few minutes ...

334 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:10:16am

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

Huffpo:

Christmas Spirit Shattered in the Holy Land

...Today, a tense atmosphere in anticipation of more bad news and an air of sadness engulfed East Jerusalem in the aftermath of the Gaza attacks. The spirit of Christmas has all but died.

Israel has killed the spirit of Christmas.

Since when has Israel become a Christian nation?

Oh - and I suppose the Hamas rockets were all lovely Christmas gifts, too...

//

335 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:10:35am

Did someone say that Israel killed a few civilians in Gaza last night?!
Wonder what the headlines will read when Egypt start killing 'em by the truckload when Israel "invades" Gaza?

336 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:11:30am

Good morning all!

Israel vs. Hamas? Get that crap off my TV, what's up with Brad Pitt?!?!

/you know someone's thinking it!

337 surly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:11:54am

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, those Jews and Muslims really need to be more Christmasy. They're making HuffPo writers sad.

338 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:12:00am

Israeli Airstrikes FTW!

339 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:12:30am
340 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:12:34am

re: #332 realwest

Ah you youngin's - out eating and dancing and shooting yourself in the leg!
Uh, sorry, watched the NY GIANTS 1997 DVD last night, and it makes me think we'll suit up and play everyone the way we always do (there's been speculation that we would "rest our starters").

Our game sunday is a waste.. We'll start everybody then sit em down...Get some rest for the playoffs...I really enjoyed the celtics/lakers basketball game the other night.. Great ball was played..

341 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:12:35am

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning and how are you? Haven't seen you around lately - hopefully that means you've been on vacation for a while?

342 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:13:21am

this passes for intelligent comment in the UK media

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

read it and weep.
and bear in mind that the Telegraph is a British conservative newspaper.

quote:
"Every nation state has the right to defend itself against terrorism and wanton aggresion but this attack is both disgraceful and disproportionate, and Israel, a nation which has endured much suffering in its relatively short history, should recognise this. Imagine the international response if the UK committed such an act in today in Afghanistan."

yeah - but Afghanistan hasnt launched 5000 f**king missiles at the UK in the past few years, has it?

dumbass.

343 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:13:33am

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

Huffpo:

Christmas Spirit Shattered in the Holy Land

...Today, a tense atmosphere in anticipation of more bad news and an air of sadness engulfed East Jerusalem in the aftermath of the Gaza attacks. The spirit of Christmas has all but died.

Israel has killed the spirit of Christmas.

Funny, but the Christmas spirit didn't die as Hamas fired off more than 100 kassams and mortars at Israel; Israel's response killed Christmas. Gotcha!

Hey HuffPo - buy a frellin' clue. Or just come out and admit you're Palestinian useful idiots who side with terrorists over nations and their right to defend themselves from incessant attacks.

344 summergurl  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:13:36am

Hamas keeps on poking the bear and when the bear swipes back it is all the bear's fault. Typical.

345 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:14:10am

re: #341 realwest

Good morning and how are you? Haven't seen you around lately - hopefully that means you've been on vacation for a while?


Permanent vacation right now. Got laid off.

How are you my friend?

346 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:14:10am

Here are a few photos on the Beeb website.
Note that one shows the obligatory child being carried away, injured (No 6).

347 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:15:23am

re: #334 yma o hyd
Good morning afternoon yma!
Well if it wasn't for the source of the news which is highly suspect, isn't East Jerusalem where the majority of the remaining (about 26 or 27,iirc) Christians remain in the Holy Lands? So I suppose for them the spirit of Christmas may have been struck down, but I somehow doubt even that "refined" report!

348 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:15:25am

Good morning, Lizards!

349 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:16:12am

re: #348 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

Good morning Goddess! Hope today find you well

350 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:16:41am

al-Reuters:

REACTION-Israeli attacks on Gaza

GAZA, Dec 27 (Reuters) - Israeli war planes and combat helicopters pounded the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Here are some of the key comments:

ISRAELI DEFENCE FORCE STATEMENT:

"The IDF will continue its operations against terror in accordance with constant status assessments by the IDF Chief of General Staff. This operation will be continued, expanded and intensified as much as required."

ISRAELI DEFENCE MINISTER EHUD BARAK:

"We face a period that will be neither easy nor short, and will require determination and perseverance until the necessary change is achieved in the situation in the south."

ISLAMIC JIHAD:

"All fighters are ordered to respond to the Israeli slaughter."

HAMAS ARMED WING SPOKESMAN ABU UBAIDA:

The group will "teach the enemy a lesson they will never forget".

NABIL ABU RDAINAH, AIDE TO PALESTINIAN PRESIDENT MAHMOUD ABBAS:

"President Abbas demands that the Israeli government stop this aggression immediately to spare our people its painful effects, and calls on the international community to intervene to stop the aggression."

WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN GORDON JOHNDROE:

"Hamas' continued rocket attacks into Israel must cease if the violence is to stop. Hamas must end its terrorist activities if it wishes to play a role in the future of the Palestinian people.

"The United States urges Israel to avoid civilian casualties as it targets Hamas in Gaza."

SPOKESMAN FOR EU FOREIGN POLICY CHIEF JAVIER SOLANA

"We are very concerned at the events in Gaza. We call for an immediate ceasefire and urge everybody to exert maximum restraint."

ARAB LEAGUE SECRETARY-GENERAL AMR MOUSSA:

"We are facing a continuing spectacle which has been carefully planned. So we have to expect that there will be many casualties. We face a major humanitarian catastrophe".

EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT HOSNI MUBARAK, QUOTED BY MENA:

"Egypt condemns the Israeli military attacks."

"Egypt will continue its contacts to prepare an atmosphere conducive to restoring the period of calm and achieving reconciliation between the Palestinian groups."

IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN HASAN QASHQAVI QUOTED BY STATE TELEVISION:

"Iran strongly condemns the Zionist regime's (Israel) wide-ranging attacks against the civilians in Gaza."

"The raids agains innocent people are unforgiveable and unacceptable."

RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY STATEMENT:

"Moscow deems it necessary to stop large scale military action against Gaza, which had already led to big casualties and suffering among civilian Palestinian population. At the same time we call on Hamas leadership to stop shelling Israeli territory."

FRENCH PRESIDENCY STATEMENT:

"He (French President Nicolas Sarkozy) demands an immediate stop to the firing of rockets on Israel and to the Israeli bombings in Gaza and calls for all parties to use restraint."

BRITISH FOREIGN OFFICE STATEMENT:

"The only way to achieve lasting peace in Gaza is through peaceful means. Whilst we understand the Israeli government's obligation to protect its population we urge maximum restraint to avoid further civilian casualties"

"We also call on miltants in the Gaza Strip to immediately cease all rocket attacks on Israel."

351 surly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:16:53am

re: #346 yma o hyd

Hey, is that Mohamed Al-Dura carrying the child?

352 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:17:54am

There was a blurb on the evening news last night about Israel allowing food/medicine through the checkpoints. My dad sits up and says, "Are the Israelis stupid? I was in charge and they were firing missles, I'd lock the boarder down so tight that the Palis would be lucky to see a squirrel carrying a nut!"

353 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:18:13am

re: #342 buzzdroid

Too right - weep!
I read the comments on that 'Christmas speech' by Mr A from Iran. It was shameful.

All I can offer as a possible explanation is that the islamic fraction has taken over the comments section while the Brits were celebrating Christmas with their families, and are now out in force to take advantage of the sales.

Still - shameful and disgusting.

354 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:18:47am

re: #342 buzzdroid
What utter bullshit is coming out of the UK - hell and France too.
The fact is that the response by Israel has been, in any REAL WORLD sense of things, EXTREMELY RESTRAINED.
It's just the deeply inbedded streak of Anti-Semitism raising it's ugly head again in Europe.

355 Gang of One  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:20:16am

Why does Israel even give a flying phuque what the rest of the world thinks? Israel and the Jews will be hated no matter what they do or don't do.

356 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:20:58am

re: #346 yma o hyd

Here are a few photos on the Beeb website.
Note that one shows the obligatory child being carried away, injured (No 6).

I called it when I posted this AM. The terrorists will get their media lackeys to propagandize for them. They'll cover the kids and women being carried away, but ignore the fact that the terrorists have only themselves to blame for the carnage. No kassams hitting Israel - no response.

It is that simple - but Hamas sees things a little differently.

The Hamas worldview is as follows: If Israel didn't exist, we wouldn't have to fire kassams and mortars at Israel with the intent to kill and maim Israelis.

Sadly, all too many around the world agree with Hamas.

357 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:21:28am

re: #347 realwest

Good morning afternoon yma!
Well if it wasn't for the source of the news which is highly suspect, isn't East Jerusalem where the majority of the remaining (about 26 or 27,iirc) Christians remain in the Holy Lands? So I suppose for them the spirit of Christmas may have been struck down, but I somehow doubt even that "refined" report!

Hiya, {rw}!

It never ceases to amaze me how everything Israel does in self defense is against the spirit of this, that and the next, according to the Hamas- and Pali-lovers.
Anything the Palis and Hamas do, is totally understandable, forgivable, and if some Israeli civilians die, weelll ...

I think I'm gonna switch the central heating off - I'm hot with anger.

358 summergurl  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:22:00am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

Hamas was even called out by Russia to stop. Whereas France.."show restraint"? I think Israel has shown tremendous restraint ---

Interesting comparing the statements from different sources/countries.

359 Gang of One  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:22:43am

If Israel were a fraction of the 'Nazi' the Euroweenies, Islamists and other assorted Jew-haters claim, Hamasistan, Syria, Hizballah and all the rest would be gone.
Fuck them. Fuck them all.

360 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:23:08am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

Very nice statement from the White House!

361 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:23:22am

re: #357 yma o hyd

Hiya, {rw}!

It never ceases to amaze me how everything Israel does in self defense is against the spirit of this, that and the next, according to the Hamas- and Pali-lovers.
Anything the Palis and Hamas do, is totally understandable, forgivable, and if some Israeli civilians die, weelll ...

I think I'm gonna switch the central heating off - I'm hot with anger.

I'd begin drawing up articles of war.. And give notice...
Time to end the shit with these animals...

362 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:23:47am

re: #351 surly

Hey, is that Mohamed Al-Dura carrying the child?

Why not - he's been under-employed lately ...

363 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:24:19am

AND! HEY y'all - WTF is the value of a "proportionate response" anyway?! You chuck a few hundred missiles at our civilians, we target a hundred or so of the terrorists in Gaza!
Seems to me that that sort of "proportionate response" simply encourages the aggressor. Now if Hamas had to face the fury of an IDF full tilt boogie retaliatory strike, then maybe it'd be a worthwhile response for the Israeli's to do.
But then again, Hamas and the Pali's (and a surprising to me significant minority of Europeans) won't stop attacking Israel until either Israel is destroyed (which is totally unacceptable) or Hamas is totally destroyed - and Fatah too, while we're at it.

364 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:24:36am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

al-Reuters:

REACTION-Israeli attacks on Gaza

Excellent, the surprise is the Russian statement, more balanced than the Europeans'.

365 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:24:43am

I like this headline:

Washington requires HAMAS to cease attack of terrorism on Israel

Washington required HAMAS to cease bombing the territory of Israel, describing it as an attack of terrorism, and called the leaders of the Movement to seat for the table of talks with Israel.

Today HAMAS launched two Kassam missiles to the Israeli territory in response to the Israeli air strikes across the Gaza Strip.

Of course they had to add this to the story:

On Saturday the Air Forces of Israel bombed the military and administrative facilities of HAMAS, killing 180 people, majority of whom are innocent civilians.

366 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:26:58am

re: #345 NJDhockeyfan
Ah crap, I'm sorry to hear that. What are the job prospects like for you? What sort of work do you do?
I'm doing ok, thanks.

367 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:27:18am

re: #361 HoosierHoops

I'd begin drawing up articles of war.. And give notice...
Time to end the shit with these animals...

There is only one solution 2H and no one has the balls or stomach to do it. Thank G_D. It would be horrendous. There is no solution that is acceptable to mankind.

368 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:27:37am

re: #356 lawhawk

It is that simple indeed - but people sitting in their warm houses, drinking herbal tea with their moonbat friends, have such a good time to condemn Israel for eveything. This attitude is taken in to work, in to the media, the offices of our elect representatives - perhaps they should all be forced to spend some time in Sderot or Ashkelon while their friends are playfully sending a few rockets across - see how they like it ...

As for this act by israel - I pray its not going to be too little too late. I hope this time they persevere, and let World Opinion go piss up a rope (sorry, Mandy!).

369 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:27:55am

Any rocket landing on Kiryat Gat would be a trip wire.

370 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:29:15am

re: #348 goddessoftheclassroom Hey good morning back atcha {goddess} - I hope you're well today?

371 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:29:30am

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan


Funny, but the NYT reported that the majority of those killed were Hamas terrorists (okay,they called them Hamas militants) but you get the idea.

These terrorists are not exactly in uniforms and hide behind civilians. The Hamas thugs operating the hospitals will puff the numbers to suit their interests. If they thought they could get away and say that 1,000 were killed - all of them little children and old ladies - they'd do so.

372 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:29:39am

Take back the Land - "Liberating Foreclosed Housing for People"

In other words, breaking and entering.

Asswipe on FOX is saying that "A homeowner in a foreclosed home will maintain the property," and "After GMAC has become a bank, I'm not entirely certain that the bank itself is a legal institution."

/don't get too close, the stupidity is contagious!

373 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:29:39am

re: #367 Erik The Red

There is only one solution 2H and no one has the balls or stomach to do it. Thank G_D. It would be horrendous. There is no solution that is acceptable to mankind.

Hi Erik..good seeing you today.

374 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:29:43am

re: #367 Erik The Red

There is only one solution 2H and no one has the balls or stomach to do it. Thank G_D. It would be horrendous. There is no solution that is acceptable to mankind.

Why not do what the Yeminis are doing to their Jewish citizens (whom someone here called "foreigners" even though they've been there the whole time) and offer up $$ to anyone in Gaza who moves out of Gaza.

375 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:30:10am

re: #349 HoosierHoops

Good morning Goddess! Hope today find you well

{HoosierHoops}

I'm fine, thanks!
I enjoy the end-of-year stock taking of my life.
As for Israel, I'd like to tell them that civilized, merciful responses mean nothing to barbarians. They are not interested to peace; they are only after Israel's destruction. Proceed accordingly.

Sort of a metaphor for the status with my EH...

376 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:30:21am

re: #364 lifeofthemind

Yeah, well, oil revenues have taken a tumble in Putin's Russia, he's gotta be careful now.

377 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:30:50am

Samson Strikes Gaza Again

Some people never learn. I mean this about the current Israeli government and the Palestinians. I take no joy in any Palestinian civilian casualties yet I know to the core of my being Hamas is incapable of peace and it is their failure to stop daily war crimes against Israel, rather than perpetrate them is why there is a war today. I also know that Israel will do whatever she can to minimize civilian casualties unlike Hamas which seeks to maximize them.

Today's massive strike on Gaza will hopefully be the first of several military incursions that will end with the Israeli Army invading Gaza and handing it over to the international community Egypt and or the PA to govern. Some governments are too evil to let exist and Hamas is evil in spades. They are for all intents and purposes, an al Qaeda affiliate, in league with Iran and this is their charter, they are racist murdering scum and must be destroyed. They never learn and cannot be fixed only killed.

The Israel's biggest mistake was the willingness to do nothing in the face of serial rocket attacks. It is immoral for any government to permit even a single rocket attack on its people and do nothing. The failure to hold Hamas accountable for so long is why we are where we are. Hamas rightly believed they could get away with rocketing Jews and the Israeli governments let it happen.

The blame entirely belongs to Hamas. It takes despicable people to fire rockets at civilians; but that is who Hamas is. Their war crimes were done with the hope of attracting retaliation against their own. This is true measure of their monstrous natures. They had a state, they used it for terror and war. Hamas counted on Israel being too afraid to really do what it takes to stop them. They over escalated.

Israel gave Hamas a taste of the true imbalance of power between Gaza and Israel. Israel really is a first rate military power and, when she isn't afraid to use it, can bring the military A game. The IDF hit 40 targets in a flash and did some real damage to the terror/military infrastructure Iran and Hamas have built up over the last couple years.

What happens next is hard to say. Will the war widen and bring in Hezbollah? It depends on how Iran pictures things. Iran may not want to risk another war, not when, on the magical day of January 21st, President Chamberlain is prepared to let them run out the clock to the bomb. But their calculus is deeply affected by lower oil prices which threaten the stability of the Iranian government. Oil is heading to crushing these low prices. Iran's government cannot survive with oil much below $60 and a mideast war usually does wonders for oil prices.

Might Israel use the current war as an excuse to hit Iran's nuclear/domestic gasoline facilities? I certainly hope so and the timing could not be better for it. There is no indication the Obama folks will ever let Israel defend herself. George Bush will be delighted if $40 billion in Iranian infrastructure were bombed into oblivion. Iran funds Hamas' rockets and Israel is totally within her rights to retaliate against Tehran's barbarian government. If reports of deliveries or the imminent delivery of Russian S300 missiles are true, Israel's window to attack is narrowing. Now is good.

Israel has let the air force off the tether. Based on the preliminary casualty counts, it looks like Hamas did not count on this hard a strike. Hamas can back down, which is hard for hard core Jihadis to do or they will escalate hoping Israel will run out of air targets but not be willing to send in troops and rip Hamas out by the roots. Hamas has 1.5 million civilian hostages and is more than willing to starve them to stay in power. My advice to Hamas would be to stand down and pray worse does not happen. I am fairly sure they won't. I think invasion is next.

Our thoughts and prayers are with hostage Gilad Shalit- be well brother, come home soon.

378 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:31:16am

re: #366 realwest

Ah crap, I'm sorry to hear that. What are the job prospects like for you? What sort of work do you do?
I'm doing ok, thanks.

Anything in sales. I have 2 banks wanting to interview me so far and a mortgage company who wants to hire me. I am applying for everything right now and will see how it goes.

379 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:31:34am

re: #352 SteveC
Huh, you're Dad was partially right - Jerusalem Post or some other Israeli source said that Egypt had closed down and tightened the screws at it's border crossings with Gaza.
Guess they don't want those stinking Palestinians either.

380 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:31:37am

re: #363 realwest

Morning friend. We've discussed proportional response and disproportionate response at length, and we both know that in a military conflict, there is no such thing as disproportionate response.

The only response that is sufficient is one that destroys the enemy and brings victory. Anything short of that is insufficient force. Right now, the Israelis are still using insufficient force, even though at first blush it sounds like a huge and massive response.

381 LindaMarie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:31:40am
King Abdullah II called for an immediate halt "all military actions" in a statement issued by the royal palace, saying the attacks "targeted innocents among the civilians including women and children."

Here they call them "involuntary martyrs"
Guess it depends on who fires the shot/missile or pulls the string on the vest.
Muslim - martyrs... non- Mulsim murders.

382 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:32:20am

re: #374 Sunlight

Why not do what the Yeminis are doing to their Jewish citizens (whom someone here called "foreigners" even though they've been there the whole time) and offer up $$ to anyone in Gaza who moves out of Gaza.

Who would take the fuckers. Good idea find them some where to go. Cheaper to pay everyone than to carry on this shit.

383 yma o hyd  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:34:15am

My friends and family are just arriving - later, Lizards!

384 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:35:06am

According to Debka (so this must be discounted until fully verified) Israel hit a Hamas terrorist parade!

Someone finally bombed a mini-Nuremberg rally.

385 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:35:44am

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan
Who the hell is Trendnews anyway? I mean did one of their intrepid reporters go over there and actually see that the Israeli's had targetted innocent civilians?
Mofos.

386 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:36:03am

re: #377 ayatollah ghilmeini

I believe that Hizbullah was ready to open a second front with katyushas yesterday, but they were thwarted when the rockets were discovered by the LAF; no doubt those officers will get a stern talking to by their Hizbullah masters in Beirut.

Hamas hoped to get Hizbullah in the game, open the second front, and restart the multifront campaign against Israel, but Hamas will have to go it alone for the moment, unless Hizbullah still decides to initiate a northern front.

Should that happen, the IDF better look to the Bekaa Valley and Syria, and not just focus on Hizbullah and the Litani River. The terror groups are proxies for their masters in Tehran and Damascus, and they are nothing short of a hydra. You must kill the body if you want to destroy the groups. Eliminate the rat lines and send a real warning to Tehran by way of Damascus.

387 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:36:20am

re: #384 ayatollah ghilmeini

According to Debka (so this must be discounted until fully verified) Israel hit a Hamas terrorist parade!

Someone finally bombed a mini-Nuremberg rally.

What? Are you sure it wasn't a wedding party?

388 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:36:51am

re: #384 ayatollah ghilmeini

That's quite possible, given some of the photos on Daylife *warning - some very graphic images*.

389 Globular Cluster  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:37:21am

Hot damn! So great to wake up to this! Go IDF!

390 Globular Cluster  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:38:07am

re: #380 lawhawk

Morning friend. We've discussed proportional response and disproportionate response at length, and we both know that in a military conflict, there is no such thing as disproportionate response.

The only response that is sufficient is one that destroys the enemy and brings victory. Anything short of that is insufficient force. Right now, the Israelis are still using insufficient force, even though at first blush it sounds like a huge and massive response.

Baby steps, baby, baby steps.

391 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:38:11am

re: #367 Erik The Red
Well Erik - as one who was an adult - and carrying a rifle through a rice paddy in the '60's - I can tell you ONE acceptable outcome: the Palestinians go back to where they came from: Jordan(mostly) and Egypt.
Voluntarily or otherwise.
There is NO acceptable solution that allows rockets and mortars to be fired into Israel. NONE.

392 Gang of One  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:39:51am

re: #384 ayatollah ghilmeini

According to Debka (so this must be discounted until fully verified) Israel hit a Hamas terrorist parade!

Someone finally bombed a mini-Nuremberg rally.

That is a target-rich environment. Should have done this earlier and more often.

393 Globular Cluster  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:39:55am

Merry Christmas from the IDF.

394 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:40:15am

re: #384 ayatollah ghilmeini

According to Debka (so this must be discounted until fully verified) Israel hit a Hamas terrorist parade!

Someone finally bombed a mini-Nuremberg rally.

Style points for sinking multiple balls on a bankshot?

395 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:40:19am

re: #372 SteveC
That whole thing is just too preposterous to discuss, sorry.
Shooting fish in a barrel was never my idea of a good time!

396 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:40:39am

re: #81 Rustler

Another good mouse trap is to take a coffee can cut out the bottom spread peanut butter on outter edge and run a bit of clothes line thru it and sit in a tup of water. Mouse will run accross rope for the peanut butter the can spins dumping him in water and resets leaving mouse to drown. Non humane version.

*whack*

Big Momma' Mouse is gonna' git you.

397 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:41:41am

This should produce many new car swarm photos today.

398 Globular Cluster  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:41:48am

re: #384 ayatollah ghilmeini

According to Debka (so this must be discounted until fully verified) Israel hit a Hamas terrorist parade!

Someone finally bombed a mini-Nuremberg rally.

Seriously, we've been clamoring for the IDF to start bombing target-rich environments for many years now. Higiya Zman.

399 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:42:23am

re: #374 Sunlight
Good morning Sunlight - there are two problems with your solution I'm afraid: 1. who's gonna put up the dough - especially in today's economic climate and 2. What makes you think the Pali's won't just take the money, vacation somewhere in the ME, then RETURN TO GAZA?!

400 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:42:56am

re: #387 HoosierHoops

Do they hold weddings in military compounds?


re: #394 SteveC

It was a Minnesota Fats special

401 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:43:00am

re: #396 MandyManners

*whack*

Big Momma' Mouse is gonna' git you.

Should be a good day when Mandy Walks into the room with her clue by 4.
Morning Mandy

402 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:43:08am

re: #391 realwest

Well Erik - as one who was an adult - and carrying a rifle through a rice paddy in the '60's - I can tell you ONE acceptable outcome: the Palestinians go back to where they came from: Jordan(mostly) and Egypt.
Voluntarily or otherwise.
There is NO acceptable solution that allows rockets and mortars to be fired into Israel. NONE.

Real I don't disagree with you. The Pali's need to go away. Not one country in the world wants them and until someone does this conflict will not end. I honestly see no end to this. We are to civilized in the west to do what needs to be done.

403 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:43:46am

re: #395 realwest

That whole thing is just too preposterous to discuss, sorry.
Shooting fish in a barrel was never my idea of a good time!

I'm glad you didn't get to see the video of the squatter saying "This be my house now!"

I had to do some stress therapy:

1) Draw circle on piece of paper

2) Place paper with circle on table in front of me

3) pound head in circle!

404 Erik The Red  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:44:33am

re: #396 MandyManners

Good morning 2M

405 legalpad  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:45:09am

re: #377 ayatollah ghilmeini

My feelings exactly.

406 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:46:49am

re: #401 HoosierHoops

re: #404 Erik The Red

Good morning to the both of you!

407 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:47:11am

To Israel: Send them all packing back to Jordan and Eqypt. Thank you for stepping up to Hamas and for protecting your people!

remember this ole' college cheer:
Push 'em back
Push 'em back
Way Back !

408 fclass308  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:47:33am

re: #391 realwest

You know...Alexander had the right idea...too bad we modern peoples have become too "civilized" to annhilate an enemy instead of hurting them just bad enough to make them stop. It is a crude but effective tactic and appears to be the only answer to the continuing muslims versus the rest of the world war we see being played out all over the globe.

"The only thing a shark fears is a bigger shark"
The Equalizer (AKA Edward Woodward)

409 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:47:40am
410 sngnsgt  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:47:48am

A friend's PC w/ XP had a virus and brought me the problem. After trying other free-ware programs, I found www.download.com...] target="_blank">SUPERAntiSpyware

After a short PC scan, it pulled up the virus in a dialog box. Checked the box, it asked if I wanted to delete and clicked yes, problem gone.

411 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:48:40am

re: #386 lawhawk

The issues of escalation are interesting. It is hard to know because you are dealing with Islamist command and control structures (an oxymoron if there was ever one). The attempted rocket attack on the north came out of Hezbollah's missile stocks but it was clearly interfered with by the LAF who would NEVER go against Hezbollah's wishes. It follows that some Hezbos are itching for a fight and going off and trying to start the Jihad NOW even if their Iranian commanders have not gotten orders to go to war.

Am Yisroel Chai!

412 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:48:41am

re: #407 notutopia

remember this ole' college cheer:
Push 'em back
Push 'em back
Way Back !

We ain't bad
We ain't cocky
Gonna run you over
Like a Kawasaki!

Voom! Voom!

413 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:48:48am

re: #399 realwest

Good morning Sunlight - there are two problems with your solution I'm afraid: 1. who's gonna put up the dough - especially in today's economic climate and 2. What makes you think the Pali's won't just take the money, vacation somewhere in the ME, then RETURN TO GAZA?!

1. It would be way cheaper than military ops.
2. I agree with you. It goes to show how passive Jews in the region have been in finding a fabulous life in Israel rather than "resisting" in their native countries. And how solutions need to be found for the Yemeni Jews to get them to go to Israel or the U.S. or Australia (or somewhere) rather than taking the $$ offered (for their own safety, dontcha know) to move into a "gated community". I hope the Jewish Agency will work on this as well as they did on the Ethiopian immigration. They did a great job on that. As far as I'm concerned, the Yemenis should move the people attacking the Jews into the gated community, not the people being attacked. Re Gaza, no one would take most of them because, unfortunately for them, they have lost the art of civilized living.

414 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:49:17am

re: #377 ayatollah ghilmeini Hello - another spot on post! I'd just add that President Chamberlain can stick it up his ass if he doesn't like Israel's defending itself - and in the process make it extremely unlikely, if not downright impossible for Hamas or Fatah to ever hope to win anything militarily.
And I would simply hope and pray for an Israeli government that felt the same way. Screw Obama - we don't have a strong enough military that isn't otherwise engaged elsewhere to do anything at all to "restrain" Israel. But I'm sure the One will make pretty, mayhap saber-rattling type speeches about how everyone should sit down and talk without any preconditions.

415 Mich-again  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:50:27am

From an AP story this morning..

Israel left Gaza in 2005 after a 38-year occupation, but the withdrawal did not lead to better relations with Palestinians in the territory as Israeli officials had hoped.

What, appeasement didn't work? Who could have seen that coming?

416 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:51:03am
417 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:51:09am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan
Well, fwiw,I've been hearing a lot lately about how lenders are gonna be jumping back into the mortgage lending business after January 20th, 2009 so that may be of some hope to you. In the meantime, I wish you the best of luck in those interviews!

418 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:52:10am

re: #414 realwest

Actually, given modern IFF Identification Friend or Foe systems, AWACS and huge US military presence in the Gulf, the US can significantly prevent Israel from striking Iran; let's hope it never comes to it.

419 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:52:38am

On 413,

It goes to show how passive Jews in the region have been in finding a fabulous life in Israel rather than "resisting" in their native countries.


I mean that as a huge compliment. (I've been to Israel and have seen the fantastic country they've created.) I can see that it could be read otherwise.

420 sngnsgt  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:53:09am

re: #409 ploome hineni

Ditto. A used one as a second car, maybe. A new one, no.

421 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:54:44am

re: #416 ploome hineni

377 ayatollah ghilmeini

the international community

including the USA

will begin throwing money and 'aid'to the GAZA ARABS tomorrow

/can we all stop calling them palestinians, and call them arabs?

Gaza arabs or yesha Arabs

lol

I prefer Jordyptians.

422 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:54:51am

re: #418 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Actually, given modern IFF Identification Friend or Foe systems, AWACS and huge US military presence in the Gulf, the US can significantly prevent Israel from striking Iran; let's hope it never comes to it.

Now that's truly an ugly thought.
On a long range strike it wouldn't take much to abort a mission like that.

423 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:55:27am

re: #418 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Actually, given modern IFF Identification Friend or Foe systems, AWACS and huge US military presence in the Gulf, the US can significantly prevent Israel from striking Iran; let's hope it never comes to it.

The new U.S. radar system deployed in Israel makes me nervous if Israel had to give up their codes and IT autonomy to get it.

424 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:55:35am

re: #380 lawhawk
Yes we have and yes we're right. But I wonder just how "massive" those attacks were. And I'm thinking Israel needs more than airborne attacks - I think they need them ahead of and in support of a ground offensive, one that takes back Gaza, chucks the Palestinians back to Egypt and Jordan, and shows the middle finger of Israels mailed glove covered hand to Shortshit and the rest of the ME/Arab world.

425 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:56:35am

dead terrorist count is up to 195 now (sky news)...

good shooting IAF. well done.

426 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:58:14am

re: #384 ayatollah ghilmeini "Someone finally bombed a mini-Nuremberg rally target rich environment." There, fixed that for you!
And I sure hope that's true. I'd love it if all the Hamas supporting Palestinians were afraid to come out in a parade or "rally" to show support for Hama or Fatah.

427 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 6:59:08am
428 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:00:33am

re: #417 realwest

Well, fwiw,I've been hearing a lot lately about how lenders are gonna be jumping back into the mortgage lending business after January 20th, 2009 so that may be of some hope to you. In the meantime, I wish you the best of luck in those interviews!

Thanks. I hope to find something soon. I had to file for unemployment for the first time in my life.

429 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:01:36am

re: #412 SteveC

We ain't bad
We ain't cocky
Gonna run you over
Like a Kawasaki!

Voom! Voom!

notutopia
remember this ole' college cheer:
Push 'em back
Push 'em back
Way Back !

I do not take this strike in glee Steve C. I am tho
supporting Israel to literally PUSH them back. Send them packing up and moving on to Egypt.

430 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:01:45am

re: #424 realwest

Yes we have and yes we're right. But I wonder just how "massive" those attacks were. And I'm thinking Israel needs more than airborne attacks - I think they need them ahead of and in support of a ground offensive, one that takes back Gaza, chucks the Palestinians back to Egypt and Jordan, and shows the middle finger of Israels mailed glove covered hand to Shortshit and the rest of the ME/Arab world.

I don't see Israel taking back Gaza and tossing the Palestinians out. I do see them striking hard and eliminating Hamas as an operating force in Gaza, enabling the PA to sweep in. Replacing the worse with the bad. I have to believe that Olmert and the Israeli government believes that replacing Hamas with the PA is preferable to all other outcomes, and they'll accept the PA in control of Gaza, even if the PA continues its own jihad against Israel's existence.

Destroying Hamas would give a leg up to Fatah, and Fatah has to play word games to remain as a white knight for the Palestinians in Gaza. They're already viewed as collaborators with Israel, which is why they're so vociferously opposed to Israel's actions in Gaza. Still, I also think that Fatah gave a wink and nod to Israel going after Fatah's mortal enemies (after all, Hamas took a liking to defenestrating Fatah thugs in Gaza and Fatah wants payback).

431 LindaMarie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:02:17am

re: #425 buzzdroid

dead terrorist count is up to 195 now (sky news)...

good shooting IAF. well done.

Good shooting indead, but soon it will be

19 freedom fighters
100 innocent children
30 innocent women
and
the rest old men

Betya!

432 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:02:36am

re: #427 ploome hineni

that is ok also

anything but palestinains

why should we support their lies

Gypsies of the Arab World. If the Arabs didn't have Israel to kick around, they'd be kicking the Pali's around. Deep down, it delights them no end to use the Pali's as pawns in the game against Israel.

We could go back to the old British Worker On Government Service.
/on the last one

433 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:03:11am

Going to be a long weekend for the Palis...

Strikes on Gaza are only beginning of "previously-set" operation: Israel

GAZA, Dec 27 (KUNA) -- Israeli Army on Saturday said strikes on Gaza Strip were only the beginning of a "previously-set wide scale and long operation." Hamas did not evacuate its headquarters in the strip despite having the knowledge of possible attacks on security centers belonging to it, an army spokesman told Israeli radio.

He added that the army was no longer in quest of elements of Izz al-Din Al-Qassam Brigades; the military wing of Hamas, yet, it would strike major sites of the movement in a bid to weaken its ability to resist. The spokesman pointed out that 30 to 40 targets in the strip were hit so far.

434 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:04:31am

re: #409 ploome hineni
Me either - well, as long as you just mean Chrysler,GM and Ford. Toyota's and Hondas are all made here too, but the UAW isn't getting rich off of 'em.
That article was DISGUSTING in the extreme.

435 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:04:40am

re: #414 realwest

Hello - another spot on post! I'd just add that President Chamberlain can stick it up his ass if he doesn't like Israel's defending itself - and in the process make it extremely unlikely, if not downright impossible for Hamas or Fatah to ever hope to win anything militarily.
And I would simply hope and pray for an Israeli government that felt the same way. Screw Obama - we don't have a strong enough military that isn't otherwise engaged elsewhere to do anything at all to "restrain" Israel. But I'm sure the One will make pretty, mayhap saber-rattling type speeches about how everyone should sit down and talk without any preconditions.

I think it's prudent for Israel to make Obama react to their own initiative...show him that he's a kid with little part in the game if he's reluctant to agree that it's in everyones interest to destroy Hamas

436 sngnsgt  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:05:44am
Sen. Reid Hits the Ground Running in Uphill Re-Election Bid

WSJ Politics

I'm moving back to Vegas soon, throw the bum out!

437 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:05:48am

Morning all!

Any electronics (raw, as in solder and wire...) experts out there? Particularly those that might understand how to wire pots properly?

438 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:06:10am

re: #422 JCM

exactly

439 fclass308  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:07:52am

re: #437 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'll be glad to try...37 years a ham operator...

440 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:09:17am

re: #437 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

Any electronics (raw, as in solder and wire...) experts out there? Particularly those that might understand how to wire pots properly?

Check out High Times magazine for some mail-order hydroponic systems?

441 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:09:57am

re: #437 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

Any electronics (raw, as in solder and wire...) experts out there? Particularly those that might understand how to wire pots properly?

You have a dataheet? Pot are usually 3 pin, Ground, Power In, Power Out, if you've got a DMM, you can check the resistance. R will change as you change the pot, when you've got the power pins. Most pots it doesn't matter which direction the current flows.

442 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:10:16am
443 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:10:29am

re: #418 Ayatollah Ghilmeini You may be correct about striking Iran, but not about other places in the ME (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc.) not unless the US was willing to trade an aircraft carrier battle group or two in the effort. Mind you I have NO DOUBT that if the US wanted to take Israel out they could, but there are waaay too many reasons why that won't happen, even with a President Obama.

444 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:10:30am

re: #440 MandyManners

Check out High Times magazine for some mail-order hydroponic systems?

I've been so waiting for the chance for this...


*whack*

;-P

445 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:10:43am

>blockquote>This is Eros, a space soldier from a planet of your galaxy. I fully realize our language differences, however I also know you finally have perfected the dictorobitary, or as you on Earth put it, the language computer. So you can now understand that which I speak. Since the beginning of your time, we have been far beyond your planet. It has taken you centuries to even grasp what we developed eons of your years ago. Do you still believe it impossible we exist? You didn’t actually think you were the only inhabited planet in the universe? How can any race be so stupid?

General: Please, we see our mistakes now. It's our nature, and it has been our downfall in the past, but our Ego, Eros, is strong in our species. But we can govern ourselves. If we try real hard, we can overcome our hostile nature. Please, before you leave, take the Goreacal back. He will only cause confusion and anger among our people.

446 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:11:30am

re: #437 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

Any electronics (raw, as in solder and wire...) experts out there? Particularly those that might understand how to wire pots properly?


Are you referring to potentiometers?

447 sngnsgt  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:11:51am

re: #444 JCM

LOL!

448 Karridine  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:11:59am

re: #442 ploome hineni

Well, THAT's some good news...

449 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:12:51am

re: #437 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

Any electronics (raw, as in solder and wire...) experts out there? Particularly those that might understand how to wire pots properly?

What do you need to know.

450 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:14:14am

Now if this won't warm the cockles of your heart, nothing will:

Apparently, an intelligence tip indicating that members of the Hamas military wing were convening for a meeting expedited the decision-making process on giving the go-ahead to act. According to initial reports from Gaza, a number of senior Hamas officials were hit, yet the scope of the harm done to the group's leadership has yet to be precisely determined. The Israeli objective is clear: deal as serious a blow as possible to the Hamas chain of command in order to throw its operating capabilities off kilter. Ostensibly, it will not prevent heavy rocket fire on the Negev towns, but it will likely make it more difficult for Hamas to carry out more damaging attacks against Israe

That's gotta hurt!

451 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:14:38am

re: #442 ploome hineni

Malnutrition? Give me a break.

Hamas plays the media and the media willingly takes what they're given. Hamas manufactures crisis after crisis, but it's all Israel's fault (well, to Hamas, everything is Israel's fault but for Israel's existence, Hamas wouldn't need to engage in terrorism, mass carnage, or send Palestinians to die as cannon fodder).

452 Spider Mensch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:14:50am

All the best to the brave men and women of the IDF. may they stay safe in completion of their mission.

I hope they are watching the northern border well. shitzbollah may take it as an opportunity to use all the weapons they've been stock piling under the UN's eyes.

and as far as any response from obama...well lets just say one thing..he's not president yet so his words are nothing ...I'm sure, as another lizard pointed out above, he'll babble some bull shit about compromise and hope...so full of shit he is.

453 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:14:56am

re: #439 fclass308

I'll be glad to try...37 years a ham operator...

OK... short version of story: I'm building a game keyboard/controller set up. It has a number of switched and several sliders and rotary pots. The whole thing feeds into a small board that allows it to plug into the computer via USB.

After two years of (very slow, intermittent) work, I got it finished yesterday and plugged it in for a full-up test. The machine was aware of the controller and some (not all) switches worked (I have some more connections to check there, nothing big).

The pots were a different story. It saw two of the three sliders (poorly, and they would not calibrate) but none of the rotary pots.

My major worry is I didn't wire the pots correctly wrt their ground. So, the question is what to look for on the potentiometer tester to know I've identified the actual ground...

454 leftover54  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:15:13am

"Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!"

455 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:15:31am

re: #440 MandyManners

Check out High Times magazine for some mail-order hydroponic systems?

*Whack*

456 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:15:54am

re: #442 ploome hineni

Yet a few months ago, we had pictures of fully stocked shelves and no reports or pictures of shortages since.

It is BS and Israel does not care about what the BBC thinks, Israel cares about protecting Israel.

457 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:16:34am

Doctor resigns over state executions
Corrections’ top medical officer points to ethics conflict

Dr. Marc Stern, who lives in Olympia, said the American Medical Association and Society of Correctional Physicians oppose physician involvement in executions, "and they say physicians should not supervise somebody who is involved in executions."


Hey, Doc, WA has had the death penalty since 1976, you either took the job knowing about it, or have had 32 years and 4 executions to figure it out.

It's not conscience you jackass it's a political stunt.

458 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:16:47am

re: #446 notutopia

Are you referring to potentiometers?

Exactly.

459 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:17:46am
460 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:19:08am

re: #458 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Exactly.

Ground is usually the first terminal, looking from left to right on a 3 terminal pot.

461 FightingBack  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:19:36am

A friend on Oahu tells me there is a power outage, including no land lines.
Now is the time for The One to shine.

462 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:20:35am

re: #442 ploome hineni

this blurb perfectly sums up the entire Pali experience for the last 40 years...there is little reason to hope that anything would change in the next 40...time to alter the paradigm regardless of how painful it will be

463 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:20:51am
464 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:22:50am

re: #458 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Exactly.

[Link: www.bcae1.com...]

465 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:22:53am
466 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:22:59am

re: #453 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... short version of story: I'm building a game keyboard/controller set up. It has a number of switched and several sliders and rotary pots. The whole thing feeds into a small board that allows it to plug into the computer via USB.

After two years of (very slow, intermittent) work, I got it finished yesterday and plugged it in for a full-up test. The machine was aware of the controller and some (not all) switches worked (I have some more connections to check there, nothing big).

The pots were a different story. It saw two of the three sliders (poorly, and they would not calibrate) but none of the rotary pots.

My major worry is I didn't wire the pots correctly wrt their ground. So, the question is what to look for on the potentiometer tester to know I've identified the actual ground...

Got a hand held or bench DMM?
Power the board, and see if the pot's output V changes with the moving the pot control. If if goes up and down correctly.

Biggest hand soldering problem is a cold joint, google "cold solder joint" or just reflow the joints in question.

467 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:22:59am

re: #450 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

re: the reports the Israelis bombed a parade - some of the Hamas thugs were killed in a courtyard as they were training. The NYT calls them traffic cops, but they're terrorists.

According to Hamas own spokesthug: 140 Hamas were killed:

Later, some of the dead, rolled in blankets, were laid out on the floor of Gaza's main hospital for identification. Hamas police spokesman Ehad Ghussein said about 140 Hamas security forces were killed.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that three major Hamas thugs were killed:

The bombing hit and destroyed Hamas security structures across Gaza, the group said. A training base of the Hamas military wing, the Ezzedine Al-Qassam Brigades, was pounded in the north.

Hamas said three of its senior officials -- the Gaza police chief, the police commander for central Gaza and the head of the group's bodyguard unit -- were killed in the blitz.

468 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:23:00am

re: #430 lawhawk
Well I certainly agree with you re: the Hamas v Fatah angle, but don't forget that Hamas was elected by an overwhelming majority of Palestinian voters ( in a vote ruled fair and democratic by that Anti-Semitic s.o.b. Jimmy Carter). I sincerely believe that the Palestinians are either unable or unwilling to get off the dime here and, ya know WORK to make a better place for themselves [You honor,I'd like to call as my first witness, Mr. Bill Gates] and while Israel MAY find it easier to deal with a Fatah government, I'm not so sure that Fatah will not have to emulate Hamas to a significant degree just to get a bare majority of Pali's to support it.
I do wish I could come up with a better plan, but I just can't - the Palestinians are, I believe, incapable of governing themselves as a civilized nation.

469 LindaMarie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:23:13am

re: #461 FightingBack

A friend on Oahu tells me there is a power outage, including no land lines.
Now is the time for The One to shine.


He needs Gore to light up the Internet however since Gore invented it!

470 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:24:03am

re: #461 FightingBack

A friend on Oahu tells me there is a power outage, including no land lines.
Now is the time for The One to shine.

OH MY GOSH. I ope that doesn't shut down any filming of LOST, that could be a disaster.

471 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:24:13am
472 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:24:46am

re: #471 ploome hineni

Drudge says, Australia may take the Gitmo dreck

wonder why?

Hungry Great Whites off the Barrier Reef?

473 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:24:51am

Good morning PLOOOoooOOOme
And everyone else, too!

I was asleep when it happened, but last night's refinement to the you-tube feature was such a relief to see this morning when I got up. All that white space in the thread was driving me nuts.

474 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:25:10am
475 quickjustice  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:25:22am

Sarkozy has a very large French-Arab population to deal with at home. In the past, the French have made no effort to integrate large segments of the Arab immigrant community into their workforce. Unemployment is high, and car torchings are frequent.

Ironically, Britain which has a smaller Arab population, may have a higher proportion of Muslim extremists than the French, and lacks the will to contain them.

Lack of will to defend their civilization is the reason the Europeans are doomed, not the presence of Muslims per se.

476 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:25:34am
477 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:26:02am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.bcae1.com...]

Looks like the wiper element in both designs is the "ground" and common link, yes?

In that case, the middle one on the round pots and the #2 on the sliders is the winner.

Bad, because that's what I used.

478 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:26:54am

re: #435 albusteve
Oh I agree, but the question is HOW does Israel convince the most narcissistic President we've had - and that includes LBJ, Nixon, and Clinton - in my lifetime? Especially a POTUS whom I honestly believe, Rahm Emmanuel to the contrary notwithstanding, has instincts to trust the Muslim Arab world far more than the Jewish State of Israel.

479 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:27:57am

re: #477 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Looks like the wiper element in both designs is the "ground" and common link, yes? In that case, the middle one on the round pots and the #2 on the sliders is the winner. Bad, because that's what I used.

Yes, the wiper is common. The other two terminals are there so you can have the pot "turn" toward resistance or away from resistance.

480 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:28:04am

re: #466 JCM

I'm using a hand held... it's entertaining. :-)

481 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:28:48am

re: #465 ploome hineni

he is a drone who simply cannot fathom what his 'leaders' have done to reduce his life to this existance...this is the same boy tossing rocks at the IDF 25yrs ago...a textbook case of the irrational and destructive mind meld with jihad...imo

482 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:29:15am

re: #478 realwest

Oh I agree, but the question is HOW does Israel convince the most narcissistic President we've had - and that includes LBJ, Nixon, and Clinton - in my lifetime? Especially a POTUS whom I honestly believe, Rahm Emmanuel to the contrary notwithstanding, has instincts to trust the Muslim Arab world far more than the Jewish State of Israel.

Add to that he inbred anti-semitism of the Marxist ideology he's been exposed to all his life.

Not good, not good at all.

483 jorline  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:29:36am

Good morning, Lizards.

Mexican says cops threatened him with lion.

"They kept saying, where is he? And that they were going to throw me to the lions, they were going to throw me to the tigers, which had not eaten," the newspaper quoted Maya as saying. "I told them they should just kill me."

Such a stupid story...everyone knows the Lion's couldn't hurt anyone this year.
//

484 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:30:29am

re: #480 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm using a hand held... it's entertaining. :-)

Been there, hold the board, hold the DMM, hold the probes.
Damn evolution for only giving me two hands!

485 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:30:59am
486 Mich-again  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:31:20am

This story is from yesterday. All part of setting up the pins..Israel opens Gaza border for humanitarian aid

Pressure has been mounting in Israel for the military to strike forcefully against Gaza militants and Israeli leaders have been voicing strong threats in recent days. But on Friday, military officials said the army was planning a routine rotation of its troops along the Gaza border in the coming week. That, coupled with winter weather, made an imminent operation seem unlikely, they said.
487 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:31:40am

re: #477 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

And on the common 3 terminal rotary pot, the center is the wiper (common, ground) and...

with wiper starting at far left, turning clockwise.

wire the left terminal, turn pot clockwise, add resistance
wire the right terminal, turn pot clockwise, decrease resistance

488 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:31:54am

Happy Saturday, everyone. Do I go out into the rare December storm and attempt to get a haircut today and some shopping done, or do I stay at home and put the Christmas decorations away? Choices, choices.

Where's the chocolate...

489 Truck Monkey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:32:29am

re: #475 quickjustice

Sarkozy has a very large French-Arab population to deal with at home. In the past, the French have made no effort to integrate large segments of the Arab immigrant community into their workforce. Unemployment is high, and car torchings are frequent.

Ironically, Britain which has a smaller Arab population, may have a higher proportion of Muslim extremists than the French, and lacks the will to contain them.

Lack of will to defend their civilization is the reason the Europeans are doomed, not the presence of Muslims per se.

Isn't it the Americans job to protect European civilization?

490 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:33:05am
491 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:33:38am

re: #428 NJDhockeyfan
"I had to file for unemployment for the first time in my life."
HEY! YOU paid into that unemployment fund all the years you were working your ass off - there is NO SHAME in tapping it when you HAVE to do so. I know it feels shitty - hell, no one could feel shittier than I did when I first got my Social Security Disability Insurance check - I've always supported myself and my family on my own, thankew very much.
But I had to accept some changed realities in my life - the first being that my life wasn't going to be as long as I thought it was gonna be, but the second was that I am no longer capable of working. And, of course, I paid into Social Security FAR more than I'll ever get out of it. So don't feel badly about taking unemployment - crap, everyone hit's rough patches in their lives, you just do what you have to until you can stand up entirely on your own again.
There's no shame in that, none at all.

492 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:33:50am

re: #490 ploome hineni

leave the decorations, take the cannoli

If only I could! Alas, what's a good barely-Italian to do when you have a wheat sensitivity?

493 irongrampa  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:07am

re: #488 vxbush

If it's an ice storm, like we got going currently, stay home. All that'll mean is longer hair gets cut.

494 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:08am

re: #488 vxbush

Happy Saturday, everyone. Do I go out into the rare December storm and attempt to get a haircut today and some shopping done, or do I stay at home and put the Christmas decorations away? Choices, choices.

Where's the chocolate...


good morning..Chocolate covered Strawberrys.. We are doing the health-kick today.

495 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:15am

re: #488 vxbush

Happy Saturday, everyone. Do I go out into the rare December storm and attempt to get a haircut today and some shopping done, or do I stay at home and put the Christmas decorations away? Choices, choices.

Where's the chocolate...

Good morning, VX!
Here's the chocolate!

I will be going out today to buy next year's Christmas decorations and supplies. It's all 30-70% off regular prices just after Christmas!

496 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:29am

re: #478 realwest

Oh I agree, but the question is HOW does Israel convince the most narcissistic President we've had - and that includes LBJ, Nixon, and Clinton - in my lifetime? Especially a POTUS whom I honestly believe, Rahm Emmanuel to the contrary notwithstanding, has instincts to trust the Muslim Arab world far more than the Jewish State of Israel.

dont know...it's bad rabbit all around...put the ball in BO's court and see what he does I guess...I hope Israel is prepared to simply tell him to fuck off when the time comes...maybe Hilary will get out and show some leadership in Israels favor

497 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:29am

re: #479 Walter L. Newton

Yes, the wiper is common. The other two terminals are there so you can have the pot "turn" toward resistance or away from resistance.

Ugh... OK, more work ahead.

(Would have been easier if I had screwed it up).

As for cold solders, all the circuits were checked for both operation and shorts before final assembly. The exception was the final linkage between the mass of incoming wires and their connection to the small clip that attaches them to the board.

The circuit mass goes into a little screw-down bridge, and the circuit checked out good that far, one lead wire comes out of each of the 12 bridges that connects to the plug ins.

I need to see if the functional switches show me a pattern in which of those 12 junctions work and which do not.

Thankfully, this is pretty simple stuff (just a lot of it).

498 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:50am

re: #491 realwest

Morning, Real! I hope you had a good Day After Christmas?

499 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:35:24am

re: #488 vxbush

Happy Saturday, everyone. Do I go out into the rare December storm and attempt to get a haircut today and some shopping done, or do I stay at home and put the Christmas decorations away? Choices, choices.

Where's the chocolate...

Put the Christmas decorations away? Hell, leave them up to Easter. For a matter of fact, since they overlap holidays and mass market them months ahead of time, I have no intention of removing any decorations around my apartment. I still have halloween stuff up, and it's staying.

500 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:35:52am

re: #495 reine.de.tout

If you want really good deals, you might try Christmas Tree Shops if they're in your area. They usually have great prices to begin with.

501 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:35:57am

re: #484 JCM

Been there, hold the board, hold the DMM, hold the probes.
Damn evolution for only giving me two hands!

That's why I have sons. :-)

Unfortunately, they seem to be made of some kind of conductive alloy.

502 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:37:04am

re: #493 irongrampa

If it's an ice storm, like we got going currently, stay home. All that'll mean is longer hair gets cut.

No, no ice; just a thunderstorm from the unusually warm air invading the Midwest today. Clear starting tomorrow, but colder. Rats. We might hit 50 today.


re: #494 HoosierHoops

good morning..Chocolate covered Strawberrys.. We are doing the health-kick today.

Not bad, not bad. But the strawberries do take room away from the chocolates, you realize?


re: #495 reine.de.tout

Good morning, VX!
Here's the chocolate!

I will be going out today to buy next year's Christmas decorations and supplies. It's all 30-70% off regular prices just after Christmas!

No, I'm not going to buy any decorations or supplies. I have plenty from last year's sales. But the daughter needs shoes before she heads out of town and goes back to school.

503 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:37:11am

re: #441 JCM Uh, WHAT?!
LOL! The number of folks with truly unusual skill sets in LGF never ceases to amaze me!
How are you today JCM?

504 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:37:20am

re: #500 lawhawk

If you want really good deals, you might try Christmas Tree Shops if they're in your area. They usually have great prices to begin with.

Ah, not here, darn it!

505 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:38:00am

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

Put the Christmas decorations away? Hell, leave them up to Easter. For a matter of fact, since they overlap holidays and mass market them months ahead of time, I have no intention of removing any decorations around my apartment. I still have halloween stuff up, and it's staying.

you musy have a very festive pad!

506 Spider Mensch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:38:21am

re: #489 Truck Monkey

Isn't it the Americans job to protect European civilization?

you forgot your sarc tag..oh wait..WW I & II, Nato, Berlin airlift.Kosovo, Ron Reagan taking down the ussr, missle sheilds, etc, etc...nevermind my bad.

507 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:38:29am

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

Put the Christmas decorations away? Hell, leave them up to Easter. For a matter of fact, since they overlap holidays and mass market them months ahead of time, I have no intention of removing any decorations around my apartment. I still have halloween stuff up, and it's staying.

LOL! Except that would drive me absolutely *crazy*, and my son would think it's Christmas every day. A nice sentiment, but then he'll want presents every day, and that causes a problem.

508 Ben Hur  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:38:48am

All women and children.

509 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:39:03am

Merry Christmas. heh. Dang - gov. Lingle to the rescue.


Good morning all.

510 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:39:04am
511 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:39:43am

re: #489 Truck Monkey

Isn't it the Americans job to protect European civilization?

Gee Whiz! You pick up after them once and they expect you to do it forever. But are they grateful?

512 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:40:06am

re: #501 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That's why I have sons. :-)

Unfortunately, they seem to be made of some kind of conductive alloy.

LOL! Come to my play ground...mV and nA ranges...

513 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:40:45am

re: #461 FightingBack
Yep, maybe he can walk over to Maui and do something to get the power restored to Ohahu!

514 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:40:59am
515 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:41:04am

re: #503 realwest

Uh, WHAT?!
LOL! The number of folks with truly unusual skill sets in LGF never ceases to amaze me!
How are you today JCM?

The thaw is on!

It's a slushy mess out there. If I had 2 gallons of cherry syrup...

516 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:41:18am

Okay, so I had the Today show on (I know, how could I, but I was waiting for Jane and the Dragon) and they showed video from Gaza. What do they show but the video of a 2- or 3-year-old, laying on a table, supposedly hurt by the attack from Israel. Except the kid just looked at the camera, and I didn't see any blood, or any distress on the part of the child. It was rather odd. If this was AP video, which I'm guessing it was, then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the staging.

517 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:42:38am

Thanks guys & Mandy (even though she thinks I'm into herb pursuits).

I'll get my switches working and then spend some time evaluating the pot wiring.

518 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:42:42am

Defense minister, Ehud Barak has made a statement

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"There is a time for cease-fires and a time to fight, and now is the time to fight"

for my fellows lizards who dont know who Ehud Barak is - he was the commander of that Israeli commando raid on Beirut, portrayed in the film "Munich".

yeah - THAT Ehud Barak.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

he's one tough cookie that guy...

519 FightingBack  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:03am

re: #461 FightingBack

So, news from 1 minute ago; it's a storm: Oahu Power Outage Requires Generator for The One

520 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:18am

re: #516 vxbush

It's precisely as I noted above. The terrorists were hit hard, but the media and Hamas will get everyone to focus attention on a few civilians hurt (or not hurt as the case may be). Hamas has all but admitted that they got hammered by the opening IAF salvos, but the media naturally congregated around the few civilians hit - because Hamas hides behind women and children and wouldn't have it any other way.

521 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:19am

re: #471 ploome hineni
Why? Probably cause a) its Drudge and b) if true, maybe Australia needs someone, anyone, to populate the Outback!

522 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:46am

re: #502 vxbush

Tornado watch?

523 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:48am

re: #519 FightingBack

So, news from 1 minute ago; it's a storm: Oahu Power Outage Requires Generator for The One

He can't simply say, "Let there be light?"

524 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:56am

re: #519 FightingBack

So, news from 1 minute ago; it's a storm: Oahu Power Outage Requires Generator for The One

Wait... can't he... like... fix it?

525 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:58am

re: #513 realwest

Yep, maybe he can walk over to Maui and do something to get the power restored to Ohahu!

I feel so bad for them. I guess without power everybody will just have to take food and drink and surf boards to the beach and hang 10 all day.
/

526 Spiny Norman  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:59am

re: #475 quickjustice

Sarkozy has a very large French-Arab population to deal with at home. In the past, the French have made no effort to integrate large segments of the Arab immigrant community into their workforce. Unemployment is high, and car torchings are frequent.

Ironically, Britain which has a smaller Arab population, may have a higher proportion of Muslim extremists than the French, and lacks the will to contain them.

Lack of will to defend their civilization is the reason the Europeans are doomed, not the presence of Muslims per se.

Muslim immigrants in Frawnce: Algerian peasants fleeing murderous extremist rebels. Their children are now the rioters (because they can get away with smashing sh!t).

Muslim immigrants in Britain: Pakistani extremists fleeing secular government "repression". Their children have been indoctrinated at home and are now just as radical as they are.

Probably overly simplistic, but I believe there's some truth in it.

527 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:26am

re: #522 MandyManners

Tornado watch?

We are under one... 58 degrees. I love it.

528 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:40am
529 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:51am

re: #514 ploome hineni

One phrase in passing about the Arab aggression.

530 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:00am

re: #516 vxbush

Okay, so I had the Today show on (I know, how could I, but I was waiting for Jane and the Dragon) and they showed video from Gaza. What do they show but the video of a 2- or 3-year-old, laying on a table, supposedly hurt by the attack from Israel. Except the kid just looked at the camera, and I didn't see any blood, or any distress on the part of the child. It was rather odd. If this was AP video, which I'm guessing it was, then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the staging.

Even if there wasn't any collateral damage, the palis would make some up for the media. The media will slurp it up like a dog at it's own vomit.

531 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:18am

re: #518 buzzdroid

He was one tough cookie. He's had a mixed history as a leader of Israel. He practically gave away the farm at Camp David in 2000, and Arafat turned down his offer for nearly all of West Bank and Gaza without a counterproposal. Barak has not acted until now, despite thousands of rockets hitting Israel over the course of 2008. It took the last three days of attacks to finally bring Barak to act. Better late than never? Perhaps, but it eroded Israel's security and showed that Israel would accept being targeted at a low level. That was unacceptable.

532 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:25am

re: #520 lawhawk

It's precisely as I noted above. The terrorists were hit hard, but the media and Hamas will get everyone to focus attention on a few civilians hurt (or not hurt as the case may be). Hamas has all but admitted that they got hammered by the opening IAF salvos, but the media naturally congregated around the few civilians hit - because Hamas hides behind women and children and wouldn't have it any other way.

The news actually admitted that the Hamas centers were in civilian areas, like that was no big deal. I wish they would hold Hamas accountable for their own choices, but that's begging the unbelievable, I know. All we'll hear for the next week are how horrible it was that civilians were hurt, as opposed to the MONTHS of shellings on Sderot.

And did Israel give any warning this time so civilians could move away? I know they have in the past.

533 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:46am

re: #522 MandyManners

Tornado watch?

We did have one until 9:00 CST. I think it's expired now.

534 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:46:19am

re: #514 ploome hineni

THE HOTHOUSES THE ISRAELIS LEFT IN GAZA SUPPLIED 2/3 OF VEGETABLES TO ISRAEL...THE ARABS DESTROYED THEM

My understanding is that the hothouses were destroyed as they were being used to hide the building of secret tunnels into Israel.

Destroying Israel was more important to those folks than feeding their own, or creating an economy.

No surprises there.

535 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:46:27am

re: #532 vxbush

From what I can tell, Israel did no such thing, which probably explains why Israel hit so many Hamas for a change. Hamas didn't get wind of the attacks until the bombs were already dropping on their heads.

536 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:46:38am

re: #527 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

We are under one... 58 degrees. I love it.

Where are you?

537 FightingBack  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:03am

re: #519 FightingBack

Trying Again

538 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:24am

re: #534 reine.de.tout

The Palestinians destroyed the greenhouses in a fit of rage moments after Israel disengaged from Gaza. They had since turned the former Israeli communities in Gaza into terror training camps.

539 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:42am

re: #523 JCM

He can't simply say, "Let there be light?"

Yes He Can!

540 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:48:13am

re: #488 vxbush
Hey good morning {vxbush} I'd opt for "stay at home and put the Christmas decorations away? enjoy a lazy day"!
I would but Mom insists that we do chores today that we could easily do on Monday or Tuesday when we HAVE to go out!

541 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:48:19am

74 now, going up to a high of 83 here today.

We're having a heat wave!

542 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:48:51am

re: #490 ploome hineni
ROTFL! Great one ploome!

543 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:48:53am

re: #531 lawhawk

He was one tough cookie. He's had a mixed history as a leader of Israel. He practically gave away the farm at Camp David in 2000, and Arafat turned down his offer for nearly all of West Bank and Gaza without a counterproposal. Barak has not acted until now, despite thousands of rockets hitting Israel over the course of 2008. It took the last three days of attacks to finally bring Barak to act. Better late than never? Perhaps, but it eroded Israel's security and showed that Israel would accept being targeted at a low level. That was unacceptable.

I still think that the good news about Barak is that he is one mean hombre when he gets down to it. And because of his lefty political leanings, he will have tried everything without military ops first. Now that he's down to military ops, I would be very glad to have him as Defense Minister if I were in Israel.

544 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:49:51am

re: #541 reine.de.tout

74 now, going up to a high of 83 here today.

We're having a heat wave!


Youtube Video

545 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:49:51am

The Gazans are holding themselves hostage.

546 Aye Pod  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:50:02am
This is Eros, a space soldier from a planet of your galaxy. I fully realize our language differences, however I also know you finally have perfected the dictorobitary, or as you on Earth put it, the language computer. So you can now understand that which I speak. Since the beginning of your time, we have been far beyond your planet. It has taken you centuries to even grasp what we developed eons of your years ago. Do you still believe it impossible we exist? You didn’t actually think you were the only inhabited planet in the universe? How can any race be so stupid?

Eros, for the good of all those complicated little bones in your face, don't ever try to pull this shit in Glasgow. Just sayin'.

547 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:50:29am

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

Where are you?

Central Illinois

548 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:50:37am

re: #498 vxbush
Yep! Ate leftovers, napped. Ate some more, napped some more, ate dinner and fell asleep while watching new dvds!
All in all a pretty darned good day!

549 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:51:26am

re: #534 reine.de.tout

My understanding is that the hothouses were destroyed as they were being used to hide the building of secret tunnels into Israel.

Destroying Israel was more important to those folks than feeding their own, or creating an economy.

No surprises there.

I've told this story before, many years ago a close friend of the family was with the Peace Corp in the Pali controlled areas, as a first project for general health was improvements was sewage improvements.

The Mayor of that particular area said it was impossible, if he suggest such a thing he'd be killed. Making improvements would make blaming Israel harder, and show the Palis have some control.

550 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:51:26am

re: #548 realwest

Yep! Ate leftovers, napped. Ate some more, napped some more, ate dinner and fell asleep while watching new dvds!
All in all a pretty darned good day!

You too, huh?

551 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:51:42am

re: #540 realwest

Hey good morning {vxbush} I'd opt for "stay at home and put the Christmas decorations away? enjoy a lazy day"!
I would but Mom insists that we do chores today that we could easily do on Monday or Tuesday when we HAVE to go out!

Heh. I'm trying to take advantage of my daughter being here. I already asked her to help me put everything away, and she foolishly said yes!

552 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:51:58am

re: #549 JCM

I've told this story before, many years ago a close friend of the family was with the Peace Corp in the Pali controlled areas, as a first project for general health was improvements was sewage improvements.

The Mayor of that particular area said it was impossible, if he suggest such a thing he'd be killed. Making improvements would make blaming Israel harder, and show the Palis have some control.

Absolutely no surprise.

553 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:52:14am

re: #547 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Central Illinois

LT you near Lake County?

554 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:52:31am

re: #544 albusteve

Steve - didja wanna say something there?

555 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:53:12am

re: #548 realwest

Yep! Ate leftovers, napped. Ate some more, napped some more, ate dinner and fell asleep while watching new dvds!
All in all a pretty darned good day!

An excellent day, indeed! We watched movies, and the son watched more movies while the rest of us read until our eyes were so bloodshot we could read no more. Oh, and we ate so much chocolate the trash cans are nearly full of wrappers!

556 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:54:44am

Good Morning my fellow Lizards, hows everybody this fine day? Morning Realwest, LT?

557 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:54:55am
558 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:55:04am

re: #556 Dustyvet

Good Morning my fellow Lizards, hows everybody this fine day? Morning Realwest, LT?

Good morning, Dustyvet!
Everyone seems to have disappeared.

559 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:55:35am

Well y'all I gotta run and get those damned chores done.
I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

560 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:55:57am

re: #558 reine.de.tout

Good morning, Dustyvet!
Everyone seems to have disappeared.

Well, I'm contemplating actually getting off my hiney and doing some work. But I'm fightin' it as much as I can.

561 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:56:08am

re: #553 Dustyvet

LT you near Lake County?

Champaign county, Lake is far north of me (IIRC).

562 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:56:28am

re: #558 reine.de.tout

Good morning, Dustyvet!
Everyone seems to have disappeared.

Morning Reine, everybody went AWOL eh...call the MP's...:)

563 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:56:40am

re: #543 Sunlight

I still think that the good news about Barak is that he is one mean hombre when he gets down to it. And because of his lefty political leanings, he will have tried everything without military ops first. Now that he's down to military ops, I would be very glad to have him as Defense Minister if I were in Israel.

and dont forget that the original Israeli state had (and still has) very strong leftist leanings.

just look at the whole concept of the Kibbutz - and all communal farming... and used to be frequented by lefty European students before they went all moonbat with the Pallywooders.

564 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:56:44am

re: #554 reine.de.tout

Steve - didja wanna say something there?

yeah...I was complaining about the weather then goofed it...it's bitter cold in ABQ...just a bitch for me...I'm in a breezy old bunkhouse and the warm air gushes right out through the walls!...I've got alot of work to do on this old place...I'd really love to sitting at Du Monds right now

565 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:57:10am

re: #25 Noam Sayin'

Viagra: Secret weapon in war with Taliban


This should help us put up stiff resistance against the Taliban.

Power Projection

566 Aye Pod  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:00am

Unsupervised internet access to end for UK and US netizens?

Net Loss

Mr Burnham also believes that the inauguration of Barack Obama, the President-Elect, presents an opportunity to implement the major changes necessary for the web.

“The change of administration is a big moment. We have got a real opportunity to make common cause,” he says. “The more we seek international solutions to this stuff – the UK and the US working together – the more that an international norm will set an industry norm.”

567 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:03am

re: #556 Dustyvet

Good Morning my fellow Lizards, hows everybody this fine day? Morning Realwest, LT?

Good Morning! How was Christmas Dusty?

568 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:15am

re: #565 NelsFree

Not again...I've seen that story hear over and over...

569 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:24am
570 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:26am

re: #561 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Champaign county, Lake is far north of me (IIRC).

Ahhh... The Champaign County skyline

corn...corn...cow...corn...University of Illinois...corn...corn...cow...

(My B.S. is from UofI)

571 Ben Hur  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:55am

The FoxNews website headline is very disappointing.

Et le people that strafe African CIVILIAN protesters with le Helicopter de Gun are upset.

572 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:59:37am

re: #568 vxbush

Not again...I've seen that story hearhere over and over...

It never stops. Keeps going, and going...

573 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:59:46am

re: #570 DaddyG

Ahhh... The Champaign County skyline

corn...corn...cow...corn...University of Illinois...corn...corn...cow...

(My B.S. is from UofI)

You forgot--Barns!

574 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:59:47am

re: #564 albusteve

yeah...I was complaining about the weather then goofed it...it's bitter cold in ABQ...just a bitch for me...I'm in a breezy old bunkhouse and the warm air gushes right out through the walls!...I've got alot of work to do on this old place...I'd really love to sitting at Du Monds right now

Come on over to my place. The girlfriend an I will be watching the second half of season 4 of LOST. I just introduced her to the show recently and she is trying to get caught up enough so she can enjoy season 5 with me when it starts up in Ja. 2008.

We have a couch you can live on.

575 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:59:48am

re: #568 vxbush

Not again...I've seen that story hear over and over...

It just keeps popping its head . . .

Heh.

576 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:00:22am

re: #572 NelsFree

It never stops. Keeps going, and going...

Oops, sorry for the typo, but I'm on vacation. :D

577 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:00:43am

re: #573 vxbush

You forgot--Barns!

My Bad... Round Barns

578 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:00:45am

re: #574 Walter L. Newton

I must be forgetting to close my HTML tags. And I thought I was awake.

579 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:01:28am

re: #561 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Champaign county, Lake is far north of me (IIRC).

Ahh, that's where I am, a wee place called Round Lake Beach. Where the Illinois founding fathers got stuck on dumb, we got Round Lake, Round Lake Beach, Round lake heights, ETC.

580 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:01:35am

re: #570 DaddyG

My condolences... me, too. Grad in 1986 (Dec).

Morning Dusty, Hoosier, Real... getting sloppy this morning worrying about electronics, don't mean to be rude.

581 fclass308  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:01:40am

re: #453 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

looks like Walter summed it up just fine. Sorry for being late with the reply.

582 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:01:54am

re: #579 Dustyvet

Ahh, that's where I am, a wee place called Round Lake Beach. Where the Illinois founding fathers got stuck on dumb, we got Round Lake, Round Lake Beach, Round lake heights, ETC.

Is it all near Round Lake?

///

583 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:02:00am

re: #576 vxbush

Don't worry, VX, you just keep inserting your posts anytime you want.

584 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:02:01am

re: #574 Walter L. Newton

Come on over to my place. The girlfriend an I will be watching the second half of season 4 of LOST. I just introduced her to the show recently and she is trying to get caught up enough so she can enjoy season 5 with me when it starts up in Ja. 2008.

We have a couch you can live on.

heh...thanks and thats mighty generous Walter...it's bitter cold down here and when I get grumpy I'll think about your offer?

585 Ben Hur  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:02:29am

So, how long before Olmert folds?

586 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:02:36am

re: #583 NelsFree

Don't worry, VX, you just keep inserting your posts anytime you want.

And re-inserting . . .

587 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:02:44am

re: #583 NelsFree

Grrr...

588 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:02:46am

re: #567 HoosierHoops

Good Morning! How was Christmas Dusty?

Great, How was yours...:)

589 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:03:34am

re: #566 Jimmah

Unsupervised internet access to end for UK and US netizens?

Net Loss

I can police The Kid's Internet access just fine, government. However, I do wish the industry would stop the airing of child porn.

590 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:03:52am

re: #582 Wyatt Earp

Is it all near Round Lake?

///

I been here 6 years, I can't find the lake...:) I know it's out there someplace:)

591 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:19am

re: #589 MandyManners

I can police The Kid's Internet access just fine, government. However, I do wish the industry would stop the airing of child porn.

They'll just claim "freedom of speech," no matter how despicable the "speech" may be.

592 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:20am

re: #589 MandyManners

I can police The Kid's Internet access just fine, government. However, I do wish the industry would stop the airing of child porn.

Or at least move it to its own domain, like .xxx so I know I can avoid it.

593 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:34am

re: #579 Dustyvet

Ahh, that's where I am, a wee place called Round Lake Beach. Where the Illinois founding fathers got stuck on dumb, we got Round Lake, Round Lake Beach, Round lake heights, ETC.

Is the lake round?

594 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:50am

re: #579 Dustyvet

Ahh, that's where I am, a wee place called Round Lake Beach. Where the Illinois founding fathers got stuck on dumb, we got Round Lake, Round Lake Beach, Round lake heights, ETC.

When I was growing up in the Chicago Burbs, Lake (along with Wendall, and Kane counties) were those mysterious places where, while we did not really know where they were, we knew all about the massive storms and tornadoes headed your way for the apocalypse the weather man told us was going to happen to you.

595 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:05:07am

re: #584 albusteve

heh...thanks and thats mighty generous Walter...it's bitter cold down here and when I get grumpy I'll think about your offer?

Er, I'll share the couch. LOL

596 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:05:10am

re: #589 MandyManners

I can police The Kid's Internet access just fine, government. However, I do wish the industry would stop the airing of child porn.

Morning Mandy...:)

597 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:05:29am

re: #585 Ben Hur

So, how long before Olmert folds?

Now that they've started, I don't think Olmert will be dithering like he did in Leb II. He may have stalled a response before now, but he has real military people running Defense, not labor organizers (i.e., Peretz). The military will prop up his nerves.

598 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:05:49am

re: #585 Ben Hur

So, how long before Olmert folds?

Isn't he out in March?

599 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:06:20am

re: #593 MandyManners

Is the lake round?

I not have a clue Mandy...:)

600 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:06:49am

re: #588 Dustyvet

Great, How was yours...:)

Well I thought it was going to be kindof a downer with Jordan getting deployed to Afghanistan.. But last month we found out he is going to Japan.
It was maybe the best Christmas EVAH!

601 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:07:03am

re: #581 fclass308

looks like Walter summed it up just fine. Sorry for being late with the reply.

No problem, I knew somebody here would be a wire-head.

/Not that you can find quality nerds at Radio Shack any more. Ask the teenage girl there about switches or wires and you'll get a blank stare. They pushed all their nerd equipment into the corner to make more room for cell phone chargers and such.

602 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:07:11am

re: #591 Wyatt Earp

They'll just claim "freedom of speech," no matter how despicable the "speech" may be.

Child porn is NOT a free speech issue. It is inherently harmful.

603 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:07:39am

re: #601 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No problem, I knew somebody here would be a wire-head.

/Not that you can find quality nerds at Radio Shack any more. Ask the teenage girl there about switches or wires and you'll get a blank stare. They pushed all their nerd equipment into the corner to make more room for cell phone chargers and such.

And the teenage girl knows EVERYTHING about those!

604 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:07:51am

re: #600 HoosierHoops

Well I thought it was going to be kindof a downer with Jordan getting deployed to Afghanistan.. But last month we found out he is going to Japan.
It was maybe the best Christmas EVAH!

So have we set a date for ending the occupation of Japan?

/

605 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:08:11am

re: #592 vxbush

Or at least move it to its own domain, like .xxx so I know I can avoid it.

It's illegal. It should not be aired. Period. I'm all for punishing servers who allow it.

606 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:08:25am

re: #602 MandyManners

Child porn is NOT a free speech issue. It is inherently harmful.

Oh, I know that. Just trying to extrapolate where the libs and the ACLU will go with the argument.

607 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:08:32am

re: #596 Dustyvet

*grunt*

608 Ben Hur  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:08:37am

He won't stand up to the "one Palestinian photograph" vs "200 rocket attacks per week" test.

609 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:08:44am

re: #603 Wyatt Earp

And the teenage girl knows EVERYTHING about those!

I have to admit, I'd love to be able to make my own circuit boards, just to say I can do it. But I don't have that kind of ability. My brother-in-law does, and one year for Christmas he put together his own "Merry Christmas" sign where the lights blinked to music. He wired it all himself. Very cute.

610 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:13am

re: #606 Wyatt Earp

Oh, I know that. Just trying to extrapolate where the libs and the ACLU will go with the argument.

Fuck them.

611 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:13am

re: #604 DaddyG

So have we set a date for ending the occupation of Japan?

/

Murtha wants us to redeploy to Pearl Harbor.

/

612 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:29am

re: #600 HoosierHoops

Well I thought it was going to be kindof a downer with Jordan getting deployed to Afghanistan.. But last month we found out he is going to Japan.
It was maybe the best Christmas EVAH!

Great! What branch of Service is Jordon in?

613 Ben Hur  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:39am

re: #598 MandyManners

Isn't he out in March?

IIRC.

And he thinks he still has a mandate to hock the Golan Heights to a dictator that could lose power at any time.

614 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:42am

re: #605 MandyManners

It's illegal. It should not be aired. Period. I'm all for punishing servers who allow it.

I agree with you regarding child porn. The other stuff should be moved to its own domain so you know what it is before you click on a link.

615 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:47am

re: #592 vxbush

Or at least move it to its own domain, like .xxx so I know I can avoid it.


wasn't that suggested or presented at the 'guys who rule the internet' conferences?...seems I recall it...an excellent idea

616 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:58am

re: #608 Ben Hur

He won't stand up to the "one Palestinian photograph" vs "200 rocket attacks per week" test.

You mean Olmert?

617 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:10:02am

Santa gave The Kid this snap circuit things. He can power a fan, run a clock, et cet.. Pretty cool stuff.

618 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:10:18am

re: #604 DaddyG

So have we set a date for ending the occupation of Japan?

/

The battle hardened Marines that took down Fallujah are heading to Japan..Must be some bad shit going down there..or uncle sam is saying thank you

619 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:10:39am

re: #603 Wyatt Earp

And the teenage girl knows EVERYTHING about those!

lol.

I asked one of them for a specific recommendation about something once. She stared at the wall of pre-fab, plastic cased items (which I already looked at and did not find anything like what I needed)...

... She eventually pulled off a package of wires in three colors and said "Well, this is wire... is that what you are after?"

Clueless.

620 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:10:44am

re: #601 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No problem, I knew somebody here would be a wire-head.

/Not that you can find quality nerds at Radio Shack any more. Ask the teenage girl there about switches or wires and you'll get a blank stare. They pushed all their nerd equipment into the corner to make more room for cell phone chargers and such.

I don't do much "hard wire" projects anymore, since I now live in a 500 square foot apartment, and there really isn't a lot of room for all the "parts" and tools etc. But, you're right, Radio Shack is not the place anymore for advice on "projects." I don't really know why they even dedicated the few feet of display space that they do to the raw parts.

621 Ben Hur  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:10:49am

re: #616 Sunlight

You mean Olmert?

Yes.

One pristine Mickey doll in the rubble will turn him.

Even though I think the Arabs are screaming as window dressing.

622 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:10:50am

re: #609 vxbush

I have to admit, I'd love to be able to make my own circuit boards, just to say I can do it. But I don't have that kind of ability. My brother-in-law does, and one year for Christmas he put together his own "Merry Christmas" sign where the lights blinked to music. He wired it all himself. Very cute.

I can barely send an e-mail, let alone make my own circuit boards! That's real talent.

623 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:22am

re: #592 vxbush

Or at least move it to its own domain, like .xxx so I know I can avoid it.

It should have it's own domain, .xxx, .adl or something, it would make life some easier.

624 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:32am

re: #612 Dustyvet

Great! What branch of Service is Jordon in?

first platoon, Kilo Company 3/5 Marines

625 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:41am

re: #609 vxbush

I have to admit, I'd love to be able to make my own circuit boards, just to say I can do it. But I don't have that kind of ability. My brother-in-law does, and one year for Christmas he put together his own "Merry Christmas" sign where the lights blinked to music. He wired it all himself. Very cute.

Does he make house calls?

626 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:42am

re: #613 Ben Hur

IIRC.

And he thinks he still has a mandate to hock the Golan Heights to a dictator that could lose power at any time.

Which one? The chinless opthamologist?

BTW, did you read about the rockets a Lebanese farmer found that were on timing devices? He alerted the cops/army and they took them down.

627 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:45am

re: #595 Walter L. Newton

Er, I'll share the couch. LOL

ha!...the only time I've been toasty in the last few days is buried under two big ass comforters at night

628 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:14am

I was just looking up Scotland, in hopes of finding the The Net Loss Monster, Loch Net Loss...:)

629 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:18am

re: #619 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

... She eventually pulled off a package of wires in three colors and said "Well, this is wire... is that what you are after?"

Clueless.

Bawahahahahahahaha! I'll bet you were thinking, "My kingdom for a nerd!"

630 Aye Pod  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:26am

re: #589 MandyManners

I can police The Kid's Internet access just fine, government. However, I do wish the industry would stop the airing of child porn.

Yes, I'm all for taking down websites that engage in criminality; unfortunately our culture secretary seems to be thinking about limiting access to sites that are deemed 'offensive' as well.

This is not a campaign against free speech, far from it; it is simply there is a wider public interest at stake when it involves harm to other people.

It will be interesting to find out exactly what is meant here.

631 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:30am

re: #614 vxbush

I agree with you regarding child porn. The other stuff should be moved to its own domain so you know what it is before you click on a link.

If it's doable, it should be done. Yesterday.

632 Ben Hur  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:36am

re: #626 MandyManners

Which one? The chinless opthamologist?

BTW, did you read about the rockets a Lebanese farmer found that were on timing devices? He alerted the cops/army and they took them down.

Crack team, that UN.

633 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:50am

re: #625 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Does he make house calls?

Alas, no. He's now completely disabled, so he doesn't mess with the stuff anymore. Kind of dangerous with oxygen tanks around.

634 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:59am

re: #618 HoosierHoops

The battle hardened Marines that took down Fallujah are heading to Japan..Must be some bad shit going down there..or uncle sam is saying thank you

The Surgeon General needs to declare Karioke bars suitable treatment for combat fatigue!

635 Ben Hur  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:13:21am

BBL

636 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:13:59am

re: #634 DaddyG

The Surgeon General needs to declare Karioke bars suitable treatment for combat fatigue!

Nothing like drunken Marines singing Wang Chung.

637 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:14:08am

re: #617 MandyManners

Santa gave The Kid this snap circuit things. He can power a fan, run a clock, et cet.. Pretty cool stuff.

I have a snap circuit styled toy here. I picked it up at a garage sale for a few buck. I purchased it just to remind me of my childhood days when I use to salvage all sorts of electrical and electronic junk so I could piece together this and that.

638 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:14:10am

re: #630 Jimmah

It will be interesting to find out exactly what is meant here.

"Hate" sites that piss off the Muslims.

639 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:14:24am

re: #629 Wyatt Earp

Bawahahahahahahaha! I'll bet you were thinking, "My kingdom for a nerd!"

Damn right. I went in there wanting some greasy dude with thick glasses and a calculator on his hip.

The guy I'd have to say "slow down" to when he starts spilling his guts on all the things to do and watch out for.

640 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:14:42am

re: #617 MandyManners

Santa gave The Kid this snap circuit things. He can power a fan, run a clock, et cet.. Pretty cool stuff.

I'm jealous...can I come over and play?

641 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:14:45am

re: #560 vxbush

Well, I'm contemplating actually getting off my hiney and doing some work. But I'm fightin' it as much as I can.

LOL!
Me too, actually.

642 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:14:59am

re: #631 MandyManners

If it's doable, it should be done. Yesterday.

ICANN could do it by itself, I think, but it's getting a lot of flak from the porn sites and their "representatives". So they haven't done anything.

643 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:15:05am

re: #634 DaddyG

The Surgeon General needs to declare Karioke bars suitable treatment for combat fatigue!

Please don't give The Veterans Administration any ideas...

644 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:15:09am

re: #639 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Damn right. I went in there wanting some greasy dude with thick glasses and a calculator on his hip.

The guy I'd have to say "slow down" to when he starts spilling his guts on all the things to do and watch out for.

In short, a 40-year old virgin.

645 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:15:14am

re: #637 Walter L. Newton

I'd considered a chemistry set but, that could be very, very messy--it's not like I have nothing to clean already.

646 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:15:34am

re: #633 vxbush

Alas, no. He's now completely disabled, so he doesn't mess with the stuff anymore. Kind of dangerous with oxygen tanks around.

Sorry to hear that. Didn't mean to make an inappropriate quip.

647 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:15:39am

re: #627 albusteve

ha!...the only time I've been toasty in the last few days is buried under two big ass comforters at night

I'm a little confused. What do you live in, a summer tourist bungalow or something?

648 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:15:47am

re: #640 albusteve

I'm jealous...can I come over and play?

He's not sharing nicely lately.

649 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:16:28am

re: #646 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Sorry to hear that. Didn't mean to make an inappropriate quip.

No, it's okay. He would love to walk you through it, I'm sure. But his energy level is never the same from day to day, so it's hard to predict what he'll be up to.

650 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:16:30am

re: #644 Wyatt Earp

In short, a 40-year old virgin.

He (or she) could be 18 for all I care...

651 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:16:42am

re: #642 vxbush

ICANN could do it by itself, I think, but it's getting a lot of flak from the porn sites and their "representatives". So they haven't done anything.

But, why?! It's not as if it would disappear.

652 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:16:48am

re: #645 MandyManners

I'd considered a chemistry set but, that could be very, very messy--it's not like I have nothing to clean already.

They still make those? Cools...:)

653 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:03am

re: #651 MandyManners

But, why?! It's not as if it would disappear.

I can't truly answer that. Because it's creating a new top-level domain, it requires a bit more work than you might think. They created the .tv and .biz domains, so it can be done. But it's a mystery to me why it's taken so long.

654 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:03am

re: #619 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

lol.

I asked one of them for a specific recommendation about something once. She stared at the wall of pre-fab, plastic cased items (which I already looked at and did not find anything like what I needed)...

... She eventually pulled off a package of wires in three colors and said "Well, this is wire... is that what you are after?"

Clueless.

We we moved into our house, Qwest came out to start phone service. Guy came out... nothing... 2nd guy came out... nothing... after the 4th guy came out. I said screw went out and opened the "phone company only" box.

4 wires, black, red, green yellow.
4 screws, black, red, green yellow.

Wired up wrong.
Matched the colors.

Phones worked.

655 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:12am

re: #651 MandyManners

But, why?! It's not as if it would disappear.

They wouldn't be able to easily ambush people with pop-up links or lure in youth with semi-lewd sites that link to the harder stuff. It's all about drawing the audience. Grrr...

656 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:21am

re: #634 DaddyG

The Surgeon General needs to declare Karioke bars suitable treatment for combat fatigue!

Oh you have no idea.. Those 3am phone calls from a satt phone from some roof top in Fallujah were stressful.
Anything going on?
No..just chilling here.. Love you guys...
Shoot anybody..
Naah..pretty quiet here
Lazy bum..do some work..
Love you Dad.. Will call again when i can..
The firefights were fierce and he never wanted to worry us...

657 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:24am

re: #645 MandyManners

I'd considered a chemistry set but, that could be very, very messy--it's not like I have nothing to clean already.

Besides, chemistry sets are NO fun anymore. When Iwas growing up, they at least had some stuff in them that could do minor harm or cause some illness if used improperly.

You can't really get anything FUN in chemistry kits anymore.

658 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:31am

re: #652 Dustyvet

They still make those? Cools...:)

Someone (Kilgore?) gave me the link to a really cool set that wasn't wimpy.

659 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:19:13am

re: #653 vxbush

I can't truly answer that. Because it's creating a new top-level domain, it requires a bit more work than you might think. They created the .tv and .biz domains, so it can be done. But it's a mystery to me why it's taken so long.

Maybe a parental group should ride their asses for a while.

660 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:19:57am

the real reason Caroline Kennedy won't get it.

No pay to play bona fides.

661 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:19:59am

re: #655 DaddyG

They wouldn't be able to easily ambush people with pop-up links or lure in youth with semi-lewd sites that link to the harder stuff. It's all about drawing the audience. Grrr...

Wouldn't parental control settings stop that crap?

662 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:20:06am

re: #658 MandyManners

Someone (Kilgore?) gave me the link to a really cool set that wasn't wimpy.

Wow, would you still have the link?

663 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:20:22am

re: #656 HoosierHoops

Oh you have no idea.. Those 3am phone calls from a satt phone from some roof top in Fallujah were stressful.
Anything going on?
No..just chilling here.. Love you guys...
Shoot anybody..
Naah..pretty quiet here
Lazy bum..do some work..
Love you Dad.. Will call again when i can..
The firefights were fierce and he never wanted to worry us...

Those guys (and gals) are incredible. And all for someone elses freedom! Thanks for raising a good one.

664 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:21:01am

re: #659 MandyManners

Maybe a parental group should ride their asses for a while.

To be honest, most of those family groups don't have a good clue about technology. And I respect most of them for all the good work they do.

665 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:21:14am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

I'm a little confused. What do you live in, a summer tourist bungalow or something?

old bunkhouse out on the back forty...a sprawling old beater but it has an almost new, brick floored adobe sun room off the back...20x20...full of my rocks and cactus etc...very isolated for albuquerques north valley...I just love it here...but I've got plenty of work to do...

666 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:21:22am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

Besides, chemistry sets are NO fun anymore. When Iwas growing up, they at least had some stuff in them that could do minor harm or cause some illness if used improperly.

You can't really get anything FUN in chemistry kits anymore.

Safety! It's for the chiiillldreennn.

667 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:21:27am

re: #654 JCM

ROFLMAO.

When the last of us real nerds die off, the world is going to collapse.

668 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:21:49am

re: #654 JCM

We we moved into our house, Qwest came out to start phone service. Guy came out... nothing... 2nd guy came out... nothing... after the 4th guy came out. I said screw went out and opened the "phone company only" box. 4 wires, black, red, green yellow. 4 screws, black, red, green yellow. Wired up wrong. Matched the colors. Phones worked.

Phone connections, in most sense, hasn't change since the beginning. Two wires going from your phone to the person you are talking too, and two wires for the 5 volts DC needed to power he misc. stuff on the line.

669 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:22:41am

re: #667 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

ROFLMAO.

When the last of us real nerds die off, the world is going to collapse.

Yes, because no one else knows how to keep the universe together.

Who's going to hold on to the last roll of duct tape for me?

670 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:22:53am

re: #662 Dustyvet

Wow, would you still have the link?

I don't think so. I'm back near my 2,500 limit, and things have been scrambled.

671 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:05am

re: #648 MandyManners

He's not sharing nicely lately.

well me neither...but he will

672 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:13am

Later, guys... off to start the day and start troubleshooting the black box from hell.

673 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:17am

re: #665 albusteve

old bunkhouse out on the back forty...a sprawling old beater but it has an almost new, brick floored adobe sun room off the back...20x20...full of my rocks and cactus etc...very isolated for albuquerques north valley...I just love it here...but I've got plenty of work to do...

MY ROCKS. You collect minerals/rocks/buy/sell/ a business?

674 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:17am

re: #661 MandyManners

Wouldn't parental control settings stop that crap?


Nope. They always create new sites. It's a shell game and the protection software can't be updated fast enough to catch them all. I finally had to have a sit down with one child and convince them that the only way they could protect themself was with self-control and self-discipline because not even dad could prevent them from seeing bad stuff if they were poking around testing the limits of the software. Fortunately they listened and we aren't having problems (I do monitor where the browser has been on a random basis just to make sure).

675 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:19am

re: #664 vxbush

To be honest, most of those family groups don't have a good clue about technology. And I respect most of them for all the good work they do.

No net-savvy Tipper?

676 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:20am

re: #654 JCM

Sad commentary on the state of generation E.

677 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:24:22am

And now - Google videos too:

678 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:24:43am

re: #674 DaddyG

Nope. They always create new sites. It's a shell game and the protection software can't be updated fast enough to catch them all. I finally had to have a sit down with one child and convince them that the only way they could protect themself was with self-control and self-discipline because not even dad could prevent them from seeing bad stuff if they were poking around testing the limits of the software. Fortunately they listened and we aren't having problems (I do monitor where the browser has been on a random basis just to make sure).

Parenthood: it's not just wiping snotty noses and kissing boo-boos.

679 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:24:49am

re: #675 MandyManners

No net-savvy Tipper?

It's not just net savvy--it's also a need to understand how domains are set up and work. More of a business acumen to technology, if you will.

680 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:25:25am

re: #670 MandyManners

I don't think so. I'm back near my 2,500 limit, and things have been scrambled.

I'll do a web search, I'd like to get my Grand Son something a wee better, then these junk toys they got out now...100 bucks, the kid plays with it once, and it's broken.

681 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:25:26am

re: #677 Charles

And now - Google videos too:

How do you want to handle the quoting of those comments that have video that has been played, like here?

682 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:25:56am

re: #681 vxbush

How do you want to handle the quoting of those comments that have video that has been played, like here?

Guess I got my answer...

683 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:26:30am

re: #677 Charles

And now - Google videos too:

[Video]

Google's got videos? Go Figure...:)

684 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:26:58am

re: #677 Charles

And now - Google videos too:



Grave robbers from outer-space!

685 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:27:12am

re: #673 Walter L. Newton

MY ROCKS. You collect minerals/rocks/buy/sell/ a business?

nothing like that...just gather up wierd stuff I find lying around...but I do have a coupla very nice petrified sea shells...dont even know the names of them...I like old rusted iron too..stuff laying around old mines etc...it's all just junk!

686 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:27:30am

re: #679 vxbush

It's not just net savvy--it's also a need to understand how domains are set up and work. More of a business acumen to technology, if you will.

What's Bill Gates up to lately?

687 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:27:38am

re: #684 MandyManners

Grave robbers from outer-space!

The Chicken that ate Cincinatti...

688 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:28:12am

bbiab

689 vxbush  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:28:28am

Gotta sign off; daughter wants her laptop back. I couldn't reach mine...later!

690 DaddyG  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:28:44am

re: #680 Dustyvet

I'll do a web search, I'd like to get my Grand Son something a wee better, then these junk toys they got out now...100 bucks, the kid plays with it once, and it's broken.

I got out an old toy train and the boys went nuts. I don't know how much they run these days but the HO guage stuff is relatively easy to use and loads of fun.

We also got the two younger boys some Mega-blocks (the ships from Pirates) and those were a hit.

The Chemistry set reminds me. My brother and I got one in the early 70's when they still had some fun stuff. We got up early on the day after Christmas and did an experiment called "Kitty Gas". Turned out to be skunk smell. It got Mom and Dad out of bed pretty fast!

691 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:29:09am

re: #677 Charles

The Future! co-staring Dudley Manlove. (what a great name)

692 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:29:26am

re: #683 Dustyvet

Google's got videos? Go Figure...:)

Google owns the world..Lucky for us they lease parts of it back to us.
/

693 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:29:44am

Good morning Lizards...

694 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:30:01am

re: #690 DaddyG

I got out an old toy train and the boys went nuts. I don't know how much they run these days but the HO guage stuff is relatively easy to use and loads of fun.

We also got the two younger boys some Mega-blocks (the ships from Pirates) and those were a hit.

The Chemistry set reminds me. My brother and I got one in the early 70's when they still had some fun stuff. We got up early on the day after Christmas and did an experiment called "Kitty Gas". Turned out to be skunk smell. It got Mom and Dad out of bed pretty fast!

Kitty gas? On Second thought...:)

695 JCM  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:31:04am

re: #693 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards...

It's Dorian! The almost famous Rock Star!
Can I have your autograph?

Good Morning to you!

696 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:31:34am

Hi folks.
Death to the Gazan Islamofascist terrorist entity.
And a Happy New Year.

697 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:31:57am

Israel strikes demolish Hamas compounds, kill 192


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

698 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:32:14am

re: #677 Charles

And now - Google videos too:


[Video]

699 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:32:46am

Quoting a comment containing a video is now a little nicer too. (You'll have to reload.)

700 Aye Pod  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:04am

Harold Pinter :(ex) Milosevic apologist

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

The playwright Harold Pinter has joined a campaign to free the former Serb leader Slobodan Milosevic.

Pinter, who was a fierce opponent of the Nato bombing of Serbia and once defined US policy to the former Yugoslavia as "kiss my arse or I'll kick your head in", said that Mr Milosevic's extradition to face trial at the war crimes tribunal in the Hague was illegal.

"I believe his arrest and detention by the international criminal tribunal is unconstitutional, and goes against Yugoslav and international law. They have no right to try him," he said.

His decision to lend his name to the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic, a loose coalition of leftwingers, human rights activists and Serb sympathisers formed in March, follows years of criticism of what he sees as the west's selective morality in the Balkans and its "persecution" of Serbs.

Wow.

701 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:37am

re: #695 JCM

It's Dorian! The almost famous Rock Star!
Can I have your autograph?

Good Morning to you!

Sure, but it will cost you a cup of coffee and a shot of Baileys... ;)

702 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:36:03am

re: #701 doriangrey

Sure, but it will cost you a cup of coffee and a shot of Baileys... ;)

You really shouldn't have stopped drinking last night, that's your problem.

703 Sunlight  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:36:24am

re: #677 Charles

And now - Google videos too:

[Video]

You think he must still be sleeping and he's rolling out whole new features...

704 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:37:04am

re: #703 Sunlight

You think he must still be sleeping and he's rolling out whole new features...

Blame it all on Mountain Dew

705 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:37:55am

re: #702 Walter L. Newton

You really shouldn't have stopped drinking last night, that's your problem.

And here I had the termidity to think my problem was being old single and poor... Silly me... ;p

706 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:39:01am
707 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:39:04am

re: #705 doriangrey

And here I had the termidity to think my problem was being old single and poor... Silly me... ;p

as for myself it's all one and the same!...

708 rightside  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:40:15am

re: #693 doriangrey

morning dorian

709 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:41:07am

re: #708 rightside

morning dorian

Good morning rightside... ;)

710 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:42:02am

re: #677 Charles

Thanks Charles! I've been wanting to see this movie!

711 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:43:51am

Deletion already?

712 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:44:53am

re: #680 Dustyvet

I'll do a web search, I'd like to get my Grand Son something a wee better, then these junk toys they got out now...100 bucks, the kid plays with it once, and it's broken.

I remember that thread. It was Killgore. I'm sure he remembers where he found it.

713 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:45:07am

re: #711 MandyManners

Deletion already?

Yup, somebody didnt get the memo about not linking to a certain Robert Spencer blog..

714 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:46:31am

re: #705 doriangrey

And here I had the termidity to think my problem was being old single and poor... Silly me... ;p

Poor Dorian, you have termites too?
;D

715 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:47:28am

re: #714 Spare O'Lake

Poor Dorian, you have termites too?
;D

Yup, afraid so, But at least my ole noggin aint totally empty any more... ;P

716 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:49:45am

re: #715 doriangrey

Yup, afraid so, But at least my ole noggin aint totally empty any more... ;P

I wooden have believed it.

717 Aye Pod  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:49:57am

Time for a quick music vid, then I'm off to do some stuff.

Lush: Deluxe

718 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:50:44am

re: #715 doriangrey

Yup, afraid so, But at least my ole noggin aint totally empty any more... ;P

still some doriangreymatter up there?...

719 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:52:26am

re: #716 Spare O'Lake

I wooden have believed it.

You trying to cut against my grain?

720 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:52:48am

And now, Liveleak too:

721 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:53:38am

re: #719 doriangrey

You trying to cut against my grain?

I saw that one coming.

722 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:53:42am

re: #718 albusteve

still some doriangreymatter up there?...

These days it's more like dark matter... Everybody is sure it's there, but nobody know exactly what or where exactly it is... ;p

723 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:53:42am

I'm board with puns

724 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:53:52am

re: #719 doriangrey

You trying to cut against my grain?

willy woodpacker
worked in a lumber yard
when asked why he was never bored
scratched his head hard
and said "Beats me, I'm stumped!".

725 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:54:04am

re: #720 Charles

I should have my Male read your tech notes. Perhaps then I'd be able to hear what's on these videos.

Though it's still interesting to watch.

726 jcm  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:54:09am

Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels gives himself a "B" for his "response" to the snow, the Times reports.

Allowing a city of 500,000+ people to be all but shut down for an entire week (by design!) earns a B only in the sort of school where the students arrive in a short bus and everyone is told that they are above average.

We should shove the snow down his shorts, lord knows theirs enough room...

727 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:54:13am

re: #721 Spare O'Lake

I saw that one coming.

Heh it just kind of splintered off...

728 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:54:42am

re: #722 doriangrey

These days it's more like dark matter... Everybody is sure it's there, but nobody know exactly what or where exactly it is... ;p

ha!...at least it's dark matter and not anti-matter like mine!

729 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:55:06am

re: #727 doriangrey

Heh it just kind of splintered off...

Got wood?

730 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:55:45am

re: #720 Charles

My favorite LiveLeak.

731 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:56:08am

re: #726 jcm

Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels gives himself a "B" for his "response" to the snow, the Times reports.


We should shove the snow down his shorts, lord knows theirs enough room...

ROTFLMAO... Cause lord knows that lack of something else down there is going to provide plenty of extra space... ;p

732 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:56:44am

re: #729 Dustyvet

Got wood?

Only until I take a leak in the morning... ;p

733 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:57:00am

re: #726 jcm

Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels gives himself a "B" for his "response" to the snow, the Times reports.


We should shove the snow down his shorts, lord knows theirs enough room...

That is incredibly stupid.

734 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:57:54am

Israeli air strikes recorded on camera

735 noshariaincanada  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:57:56am

I'm waiting for the "Gaza 'Massacre' Open Thread"

736 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:58:01am

re: #732 doriangrey

Only until I take a leak in the morning... ;p

Sleeping Beauty Wood Pun


He came from the seed of despair just a short time ago, in which he thought to pine away for his true love, to this moment of joy as he looked upon her soft sleeping beauty. He knew with the plant of a kiss, their dreams wood come true.

Her limbs regained life and her sight fell upon the one she wood marry. She had no need to spruce herself, for her roots were in beauty and song, the gifts of fairies in a fairytale come true.

As they descended the stairs, his father, who had just accepted that his son would branch out with a new life, now barked his confusion. He played the sap as he realized a trunk full of treasure was nothing to this, the true love of those who met before, once upon a dream.

Everything turned out oak a. It is right that the wicked sorceress was dead. After all, Melethasent was evil and evergreen with envy.

737 jcm  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:00:24am

re: #733 MandyManners

That is incredibly stupid.

I think that's the mayor middle name...

738 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:01:47am

re: #736 Dustyvet

Sleeping Beauty Wood Pun


He came from the seed of despair just a short time ago, in which he thought to pine away for his true love, to this moment of joy as he looked upon her soft sleeping beauty. He knew with the plant of a kiss, their dreams wood come true.

Her limbs regained life and her sight fell upon the one she wood marry. She had no need to spruce herself, for her roots were in beauty and song, the gifts of fairies in a fairytale come true.

As they descended the stairs, his father, who had just accepted that his son would branch out with a new life, now barked his confusion. He played the sap as he realized a trunk full of treasure was nothing to this, the true love of those who met before, once upon a dream.

Everything turned out oak a. It is right that the wicked sorceress was dead. After all, Melethasent was evil and evergreen with envy.

I'm all a weeping willow over that tale of loving taking root in such a black forest of tangled wood and gnarled despair.

739 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:02:21am

Your media is dying!

740 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:02:40am

re: #738 doriangrey

I'm all a weeping willow over that tale of loving taking root in such a black forest of tangled wood and gnarled despair.

You win...:)

741 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:03:21am

re: #734 Killgore Trout

Israeli air strikes recorded on camera

Liveleak Video

Oh, goodness gracious! I feel very bad for those little kids. I wish I could bring them all to America for a decent up-bringing.

742 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:03:35am

re: #737 jcm

I think that's the mayor middle name...

And there are other chemicals that can be used. Mag Chloride for a start. That's what we use in the Denver area. We already went through the "salt is bad" routine around here years ago.

Your mayor and city council was unprepared, nothing more or less, and the population should not let them spin it.

743 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:03:48am

re: #734 Killgore Trout

That reminds me. We should be watchful for fauxtography and Paliwood coming out of this.

744 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:04:39am

re: #739 lawhawk

I cant get over what a cool new feature this is!...thanks again Charles

745 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:04:48am
746 kansas  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:05:29am

Headline of Day "Hamas Threatens to Unleash Hell". I got news buttboys. Hell has been unleashed and it's been unleashed on your asses. And if there is any justice in the world all the whining and political correctness you can muster won't make it stop .

747 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:05:39am
748 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:06:14am
749 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:06:43am

re: #743 Noam Sayin'

That reminds me. We should be watchful for fauxtography and Paliwood coming out of this.

The Green Helmut guy is on his way

750 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:07:00am

re: #741 MandyManners

Oh, goodness gracious! I feel very bad for those little kids. I wish I could bring them all to America for a decent up-bringing.

Haven t we brought enough poison here already?

751 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:07:36am

re: #747 ploome hineni

oh please

not here...send them to Yemen

What's your problem? Not here? I would be nice if we could bring them her and un-brainwash them.

752 kansas  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:08:39am

re: #741 MandyManners

Oh, goodness gracious! I feel very bad for those little kids. I wish I could bring them all to America for a decent up-bringing.

Boy, Allah must be really pissed at them.

753 jcm  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:08:48am

re: #742 Walter L. Newton

And there are other chemicals that can be used. Mag Chloride for a start. That's what we use in the Denver area. We already went through the "salt is bad" routine around here years ago.

Your mayor and city council was unprepared, nothing more or less, and the population should not let them spin it.

80% of Seattle votes for McDimwitt. They think banning cars is a good idea.

They got what they voted for and will suck up the spin, and their empty little heads will nod, nod, nod.

754 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:08:55am

re: #751 Walter L. Newton

What's your problem? Not here? I would be nice if we could bring them her and un-brainwash them.

Sorry Walter, that will never happen. Our own liberals would ensure they became even more brain washed then their own parents would have made them.

755 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:09:09am

re: #741 MandyManners

It's always tough to see the kids hurt and scared.

756 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:09:21am

re: #745 ploome hineni

...expecting peace


where else would this be a considered a normal thing to build?

Nowhere in the world.

757 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:10:18am

re: #745 ploome hineni

...expecting peace


where else would this be a considered a normal thing to build?

They are more concerned about ancient bones than living people?!

758 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:10:22am

re: #743 Noam Sayin'

I just took a look through the Yahoo pics. Nothing unusual yet.

759 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:10:22am
760 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:10:53am

re: #747 ploome hineni

oh please

not here...send them to Yemen

They wouldn't learn jihad in Oklahoma.

761 jcm  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:11:02am

re: #754 doriangrey

Sorry Walter, that will never happen. Our own liberals would ensure they became even more brain washed then their own parents would have made them.

They only thing that will work...
Give them war...
until they want war no more.

762 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:11:16am

re: #750 doriangrey

Haven t we brought enough poison here already?

THEY'RE LITTLE KIDS!

763 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:11:18am

re: #749 Desert Dog

The Green Helmut guy is on his way

just curious...if a news organization is blatently altering facts and photos for propaganda purposes, would that make them a legit military target...would it be 'legal' to take out facilities and dishes etc?

764 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:11:34am

re: #755 Killgore Trout

It's always tough to see the kids hurt and scared.

Yes, Killgore it is. But you cannot hold fire against your breast and not get burned. These children's parent are responsible for what is happening to them. And only their parents can correct that situation.

765 rw in san diego  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:11:39am

re: #745 ploome hineni

I was in Israel recently and learned that they also included plans for protection against biological and chemical attacks when building or remodeling hospitals.

766 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:12:17am

re: #762 MandyManners

THEY'RE LITTLE KIDS!

A point we need to remember.

767 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:12:38am

re: #755 Killgore Trout

It's always tough to see the kids hurt and scared.

Fucking Hamas assholes probably think it's a good thing.

768 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:13:31am

re: #753 jcm

80% of Seattle votes for McDimwitt. They think banning cars is a good idea.

They got what they voted for and will suck up the spin, and their empty little heads will nod, nod, nod.

Then they deserve it. And they deserve any deaths or injuries that happened because of the weather. Most of the time people get what they ask for, even though they may not have the intelligence to know what they are getting into.

A lot of cities have gone through the "salt and certain chemicals" are bad debates, and much of this has already been solved. If you mayor and city council has been spending too much time on worrying about the dwindling supply of tree bark and patchouli, then they can expect these sort of problems.
Piss on them.

769 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:14:21am

re: #767 MandyManners

Yup. Hamas is very happy to see kids hurt because they think it's good press for them.

770 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:14:24am
771 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:14:30am

re: #764 doriangrey

Yes, Killgore it is. But you cannot hold fire against your breast and not get burned. These children's parent are responsible for what is happening to them. And only their parents can correct that situation.

True but, HOW? Hamas will slaughter them.

772 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:14:52am

My BP is spiking. bbiab

773 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:17am

re: #770 ploome hineni

lol

only in Florida, Virginia and NewYork State?

You forgot Minnesota...

774 jcm  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:30am

re: #762 MandyManners

THEY'RE LITTLE KIDS!

Just remember, who put them there, and keeps them their.

There is one, and only place for blame.

Grieve for the children, but don't feel guilt where there is none.

775 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:31am

re: #766 Dianna

A point we need to remember.

A point seemingly missed by some people here this morning.

776 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:43am

i would like to see israel clean out more hamas rat's nest.
the sooner the better.
and also to not even give a second thought to 'world opinion'
israel will never get approval from the world.
even its existence is disapproved of in favor of the barbarians.
when will the left learn that backing monsters is a bad move.
look at zimbabwe and mugabe, the beast, carter brought in.
anyone backing the moslem terrorists is a criminal.

777 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:48am

re: #767 MandyManners

Fucking Hamas assholes probably think it's a good thing.

I'm sure they do...trial by fire...some sick ritualistic event to harden them to jihad...these people are depraved...their treatment of women and children ices the deal for me...Hamas simply must be detroyed

778 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:16:32am

re: #762 MandyManners

THEY'RE LITTLE KIDS!

Mandy, with all due respect, they are little Palestinian kids. Taught to hate from birth. And anywhere on earth they are taken that teaching will continue. Where ever they grow up, they will grow up as poisonous creatures because that is their identity. Unless you advocate telling them they are something other than Palestinians they will continue to grow up Palestinians and will infect what ever surroundings they are in with their poisonous identity. You can take the child out of Palestine, but you cant take the poisonous Palestinian out of the child.

779 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:16:43am
780 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:17:26am

re: #773 Dustyvet

You forgot Minnesota...

Dearbornistan

781 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:17:28am

re: #779 ploome hineni

who can keep track?

True...

782 FrogMarch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:17:49am

re: #742 Walter L. Newton

And there are other chemicals that can be used. Mag Chloride for a start. That's what we use in the Denver area. We already went through the "salt is bad" routine around here years ago.

Your mayor and city council was unprepared, nothing more or less, and the population should not let them spin it.

I believe Mag Chloride kills grass.. & salt kills concrete. Gravel pollutes the air. I say let the slippin and sliding commence. If you can't handle slippery roads, stay home.

783 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:18:07am
784 96RoadKing  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:18:28am

re: #773 Dustyvet

You forgot Minnesota...

So far, it seems they merely raise the kids here, then export them back to the Old Country for terrorist activities. It's just a matter of time before the puppet masters decide to save money on plane fare and have them start their activities here...

785 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:19:24am

re: #778 doriangrey

Any second now, someone's going to say something like "nits make lice." That was skating very close to it.

Every single human being is able to change, and insisting that little kids can't be changed is dismissing said kids as being less-than-human.

786 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:21:56am
787 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:22:00am

re: #775 Walter L. Newton

A point seemingly missed by some people here this morning.

oh purlease... we've gone down this route already.

if you havent read it already, have a read of the definitive expose of "Green Helmet Guy"

[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]

There are NO western news agencies reporting from Gaza - all of the footage you are seeing is by pro-Hamas Palestinian "journalists" and "cameramen".

788 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:22:19am

re: #771 MandyManners

True but, HOW? Hamas will slaughter them.

You forget, Hamas only represents 10 percent of the Palestinian people, Hamas came to power because over 70 percent of the Palestinian people 100 percent agree with Hamas' goals, another 25 percent agree with 75 percent of Hamas' goals, and 99.3 percent of Palestinians want to destroy Israel and kill the Jewish people. Hamas' action are not occurring in a vacuum, they are carrying out the will of the of the Palestinian people.

789 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:23:24am
790 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:23:54am

re: #762 MandyManners

THEY'RE LITTLE KIDS!

at least the Nazis didnt build military targets near schools and residential areas. thats Hamas for you - even worse than the Nazis.

they couldnt give a stuff about their own casualties - its all fodder for Western media, and the more kids that are dead, the more they like it.

791 96RoadKing  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:24:27am

re: #785 Dianna

Any second now, someone's going to say something like "nits make lice." That was skating very close to it.

Every single human being is able to change, and insisting that little kids can't be changed is dismissing said kids as being less-than-human.

At a certain age, the damage is done, the seed is planted, and the maleable mind takes on a rigidity. It would be 'nice' to remove those kids from their environment and raise them to believe in fairness and proper behavior. But it's a naive concept. Even if there was a solution to bring those kids over to be brought up to adulthood, the result would be accusations that we were 'brainwashing' them (feeding Hamas and other terrorist model that they're the victims).

792 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:25:25am
793 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:25:30am

re: #789 ploome hineni

great, you take them home to raise

and see if you can give up your HOURS on computer blogs while your kid gets antsy

Not what I was saying, ploome.

I was making another point entirely.

794 Silvergirl  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:25:43am

Any form of non-sympathy for kids wounded or killed in this event or any other is a step in the direction of Col. Chivington and his infamous remark about the children at Sand Creek, "Nits make lice." We don't want to go there or anywhere near it.

795 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:26:18am

Ceasefire ends. Hamas lobs missiles. Israeli bombs the crap out of them. Hamas threatens violence. Just another day for the religion of peace.

796 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:26:40am

re: #783 ploome hineni

you vulgar POS

/spit

I just want Lizards to remember this comment by Ploome Hineni. All I did was suggest that we cannot blame the Palestinian children in the same why we blame the adults, and this is the comment I get in return.

"you vulgar POS /spit"

And we wonder why we have such hatred in the world.

797 Silvergirl  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:27:44am

I see I was late with my Chivington comparison, but that's okay, no harm in the reiteration.

798 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:28:01am

re: #785 Dianna

Any second now, someone's going to say something like "nits make lice." That was skating very close to it.

Every single human being is able to change, and insisting that little kids can't be changed is dismissing said kids as being less-than-human.

Before you go getting on your high horse, have you ever met any Palestinians raised here in the United States? I have, and they are just as hateful and anti-semitic as their relatives in Palestine. They send tens of millions of dollars to organizations like Hamas every year to continue the fight. No, bringing them here does not change who and what they are. Thinking that you can change them is the kind of foolish self deceit that liberals love to indulge in.

799 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:28:02am

re: #792 ploome hineni

yeah, we are better than that, we MUST allow them to kill our children, but any reaction by us is condemned

You are not better than that, considering your comment to me.

800 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:28:14am

re: #791 96RoadKing

At a certain age, the damage is done, the seed is planted, and the maleable mind takes on a rigidity. It would be 'nice' to remove those kids from their environment and raise them to believe in fairness and proper behavior. But it's a naive concept. Even if there was a solution to bring those kids over to be brought up to adulthood, the result would be accusations that we were 'brainwashing' them (feeding Hamas and other terrorist model that they're the victims).

"Nice" isn't my point. Nor am I advocating taking every child under 5 out of Gaza or anything as "idealistic" as that.

I am pointing out that Hamas and its supporters have subscribed to an ideology that declares every single Jew and non-muslim to be less than human, no matter their age. It might be a good thing if we avoided doing the same.

801 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:28:44am
802 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:29:36am

re: #798 doriangrey

Before you go getting on your high horse, have you ever met any Palestinians raised here in the United States? I have, and they are just as hateful and anti-semitic as their relatives in Palestine. They send tens of millions of dollars to organizations like Hamas every year to continue the fight. No, bringing them here does not change who and what they are. Thinking that you can change them is the kind of foolish self deceit that liberals love to indulge in.

Not the point I was making. For about the eighth time of speaking.

803 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:29:42am
804 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:30:02am

re: #794 Silvergirl

Any form of non-sympathy for kids wounded or killed in this event or any other is a step in the direction of Col. Chivington and his infamous remark about the children at Sand Creek, "Nits make lice." We don't want to go there or anywhere near it.

sadly he spoke for more than a few back in Denver...he was lionized as a hero while he trotted out scalps and body parts at a local theater...a widely accepted sentiment...jus sayin

805 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:30:15am

- February 2002 - Nora Shalhoob, a 16-year-old Palestinian girl, was killed while charging a group of Israeli soldiers at a military checkpoint with a knife in her hand.

- March 2002 - A 16-year-old Palestinian girl named Ayat Akhras walked into a Jerusalem supermarket and detonated a bomb concealed under her clothing, killing two Israelis and wounding 22 others.

- April 2002 - 17-year-old Andaleeb Taqataqah was recruited by a terror squad and sent to her death in a suicide attack on a crowded Jerusalem market.

- April 2002 - Three teenagers - Anwar Hamduna, Yusef Zakut, and Abu Nada
- from Gaza, attempted to crawl under the perimeter fence and attack the residents of the Jewish community of Netzarim, only to be shot dead by guards.

- May 2002 - For over a month, Palestinian children as young as 10 barricaded themselves in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, alongside Palestinian gunmen.

May 2002 - A 16-year-old Palestinian boy was arrested in a taxi near Jenin with a suicide bomb on his body.

- June 2002 - A 15-year-old Palestinian girl, arrested for throwing a firebomb at IDF soldiers, admitted during interrogation that she had previously been recruited as a suicide terrorist.

- July 2002 - Israeli security forces arrested another 15-year-old
Palestinian girl who admitted to having agreed to carry out a suicide attack in Israel.

806 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:30:48am

re: #801 ploome hineni

the arabs have a total scorched earth policy

they deliberately provoke Israel, position the already dead and disabled in the path of any military response

in order to get reaction like yours

And, their hatred has certainly gotten to you since you see their children as nothing more than the fodder for more blood letting.

If you have even given up on their children, your soul has gone cold.

807 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:31:11am

re: #725 Dianna

I should have my Male read your tech notes. Perhaps then I'd be able to hear what's on these videos.

Though it's still interesting to watch.

I had the problem yesterday - I shut down and restarted, problem fixed.

808 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:31:15am

re: #801 ploome hineni

the arabs have a total scorched earth policy

they deliberately provoke Israel, position the already dead and disabled in the path of any military response

in order to get reaction like yours

Ploome, back up a bit, here, will you?

I am talking about a mind set that I regard as particularly dangerous. I am not advocating sympathy for the devil.

809 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:31:28am

re: #791 96RoadKing

At a certain age, the damage is done, the seed is planted, and the maleable mind takes on a rigidity. It would be 'nice' to remove those kids from their environment and raise them to believe in fairness and proper behavior. But it's a naive concept. Even if there was a solution to bring those kids over to be brought up to adulthood, the result would be accusations that we were 'brainwashing' them (feeding Hamas and other terrorist model that they're the victims).

how many German kids got killed because of WW2?

does it make the fight against Nazism morally wrong because we fire bombed Hamburg? or Dresden?

war sucks - people die. i understand that. but sometimes, when you are fighting complete and utter evil, sometimes the innocent do get killed. that is a fact of life.

but doing nothing is not an option - because in the long term, Hamas will most certainly get a rocket from the Iranians that is capable of hitting Tel Aviv. and might even be nuclear tipped - and when that happens, millions will die.

i would rather a bare minimum of civillian casualties now, to a holocaust in the future.

810 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:32:40am

re: #794 Silvergirl

Any form of non-sympathy for kids wounded or killed in this event or any other is a step in the direction of Col. Chivington and his infamous remark about the children at Sand Creek, "Nits make lice." We don't want to go there or anywhere near it.

i agree - that sort of sentiment is completely OUT OF ORDER...

we should be better than that.

and judging by the actions of the IAF today - Israel is better than that.

811 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:33:30am

re: #807 reine.de.tout

I had the problem yesterday - I shut down and restarted, problem fixed.

It's evidently something in Fedora. I'd ask him to change everything to something else, but I'm finally able to do most normal computer actions, and I don't want to have everything go all wahoonie shaped.

812 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:34:35am
813 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:34:40am

re: #803 ploome hineni

you are the most crass individual, ignore me, I can;t stand you

What kind of nerve do you have? You make horrible statements about Palestinian children, I do not agree with you, so you call me a vulgar piece of shit and a crass individual and then you tell me to IGNORE YOU.

You make these statement and then you want me to leave you alone. Well, I'm sorry, but this is a public forum. You make a statement, I (and some others) disagreed with you, and now you want US to run away and leave you along.

Tough shit.

814 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:35:08am

re: #812 ploome hineni

your point is a red herring

no one is dehumanizing EVERYONE who is not CHristian or JEwish

No, but things were skating in that direction. Rapidly.

815 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:35:47am

re: #807 reine.de.tout

I had the problem yesterday - I shut down and restarted, problem fixed.

Same. When the video embeds first came out, I could only play the first five seconds of the videos.

816 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:36:54am

re: #806 Walter L. Newton

And, their hatred has certainly gotten to you since you see their children as nothing more than the fodder for more blood letting.

If you have even given up on their children, your soul has gone cold.

i can somewhat understand his sentiment...

have a look at this image...

Image: hizbullah_in_nazi_salute.jpg

those are kids. in the hezbollah youth wing.
doing the nazi salute.

i think you should understand the context from which ploome is coming from - maybe you are unaware of the neo-Nazi indoctrination of the Pally youth.

817 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:37:59am

"All the Jews are targets, whether military or civilian. It's our land and they are in the wrong place. It's their duty to pay attention to safety of their own families and move them away from the battlefield."

818 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:39:04am

re: #816 buzzdroid

i can somewhat understand his sentiment...

have a look at this image...

[Link: freund.typepad.com...]

those are kids. in the hezbollah youth wing.
doing the nazi salute.

i think you should understand the context from which ploome is coming from - maybe you are unaware of the neo-Nazi indoctrination of the Pally youth.

You evidently don't know me, who I am or what I know. The suggestion what started this was the fact that the children there do not deserve to be brain washed like this and it's too bad that they couldn't be taken out of there and treated like children.

And it seems that some people on here would rather see them rot in that hell that is Palestine.

819 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:39:42am
820 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:40:24am
821 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:40:37am

re: #818 Walter L. Newton

You evidently don't know me, who I am or what I know. The suggestion what started this was the fact that the children there do not deserve to be brain washed like this and it's too bad that they couldn't be taken out of there and treated like children.

And it seems that some people on here would rather see them rot in that hell that is Palestine.

and there are certainly Islamists who prefer to have them rot there too.

it does beggar belief that an organisation like, say, UNICEF, is not screaming from the rooftops about this.

why cant those kids be evacuated to somewhere safe, like Sinai or Jordan?

822 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:40:44am

re: #819 ploome hineni

you should not speak about some imaginary "us"

..it is YOU

(corrected)

What kind of nerve do you have? You make horrible statements about Palestinian children, I do not agree with you, so you call me a vulgar piece of shit and a crass individual and then you tell me to IGNORE YOU.

You make these statement and then you want me to leave you alone. Well, I'm sorry, but this is a public forum. You make a statement, I (and some others) disagreed with you, and now you want ME to run away and leave you along.

Tough shit.

823 Dianna  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:41:17am

re: #820 ploome hineni

in you mind, nowhere else

Whatever, ploome.

824 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:43:04am
825 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:43:41am

hey folks - back off.
for all we know, ploome might be an IDF guy getting ready to fight those sons of bitches.

bear in mind that in WW2 we were all brainwashed into hating ALL Germans and ALL Japanese...

thats war for you. thats just the way it works.. you have to get your side to fight effectively and not have any remorse.

826 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:44:23am

re: #823 Dianna

Whatever, ploome.

No ploome, in your mind, For a matter of fact, in your statements, in this thread, which can be read by anyone who cares to. Clear as day.

827 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:45:38am

Hi Walter, Dianna and whomever else is on this thread (still)!

828 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:47:58am

i think the children are innocent. at what point they become irretrievable is the question. a child under 10 yrs. old could be given love and shown kindness.
and most likely would be a productive citizen. a teenager is probably a lost cause.
the problem is, because islam does not allow adoption to a non-moslem, saving these children may not be possible.

829 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:49:16am

re: #824 ploome hineni

he is a crass, narcissistic, exhibitionist, blowhard and it is not his family and his children targeted daily by Hamas it is only the JEws after all /he really should stfu

If the statement you made above really reflect what you think about the children over there, then guess what, they have already won, because they have poisoned your brain and you can only think of one thing, revenge.

I have damn well aware of what is going on over there, and yes, the children there are taught from birth to hate the Jews. But that does not mean that they don't deserve a change (if there ever was some sort of chance) to be children, normal children, the way we, in the west, understand what a healthy childhood is all about.

You seem ready to dismiss those children as lost, with no way to ever be changed. That is unacceptable in my mind.

830 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:50:22am
831 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:51:34am

re: #828 nyc redneck

i think the children are innocent. at what point they become irretrievable is the question. a child under 10 yrs. old could be given love and shown kindness.
and most likely would be a productive citizen. a teenager is probably a lost cause.
the problem is, because islam does not allow adoption to a non-moslem, saving these children may not be possible.

No one was suggest adoption. It was more of a "thought exersise" as to wouldn't it be nice if these children could be brought to the U.S. and have the chance to live like normal children.

That was the original suggestion. Not that it was possible.

832 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:51:59am
833 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:52:01am

re: #828 nyc redneck

i think the children are innocent. at what point they become irretrievable is the question. a child under 10 yrs. old could be given love and shown kindness.
and most likely would be a productive citizen. a teenager is probably a lost cause.
the problem is, because islam does not allow adoption to a non-moslem, saving these children may not be possible.

probably true but as someone said up above where is UNICEF?...why is there no international outrage?...I'm mystified that Hamas sacrifices their children and hardly anybody says a word...not even the Israelis...some good old fashioned screaming just might make at leasy some difference

834 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:52:55am
835 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:54:22am
836 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:55:02am
837 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:55:16am

re: #830 ploome hineni

what are you saying? Israel should not retalliate, until every kid in Gaza is evaluated and counselled? send in the social workers and shrinks? what are you saying?

What is your problem? None of those things you mention above was ever suggested. You are making things up. It was a suggestion, more of a "thought exersize" as to wouldn't it be nice if these children could be brought to the U.S. and have the chance to live like normal children. That was the original suggestion. Nothing was ever said about evaluating and counseling every child in Gaza.

838 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:55:51am
839 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:56:12am

re: #835 ploome hineni

because the issue the destruction if ISrael

the goal of the EU, UN and MSM

all telling us to ignore reason, and start FEELING THE PAIN OF THE ARABS

just another reason I utterly despise the UN...and the MSM is my dire enemy

840 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:56:22am
841 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:57:37am

re: #836 ploome hineni

AND THE POOR ARAB BABIES THE NAZI ISRAELIS ARE KILLING

You are crazy. You keep making statements as if they were the sentiments being stated here, and they are not.

I am not going to debate with someone who is making up statements and using hyperbole, as you are. Forget it Ploome. Hate all you want. Hate who you want.

842 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:58:30am

re: #840 ploome hineni

by our resident useful idiots

Since you have used the plural "idiots" would you care to name names? Afraid?

843 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:58:45am

re: #836 ploome hineni

AND THE POOR ARAB BABIES THE NAZI ISRAELIS ARE KILLING

That's just absurd. No one ever equated the Israelis to nazis.

844 Call me Infidel  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:59:23am
by our resident useful idiots


pot kettle?

845 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:01:38am

re: #843 gclaghorn

That's just absurd. No one ever equated the Israelis to nazis.

Of course it's absurd. All anyone suggested, that started this, is it would be nice if these brainwashed Palestinian children could be afforded the chance of growing up her in America.

That was the ONLY issue that started Ploome on her hateful rant.

846 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:02:29am

re: #831 Walter L. Newton

No one was suggest adoption. It was more of a "thought exersise" as to wouldn't it be nice if these children could be brought to the U.S. and have the chance to live like normal children.

That was the original suggestion. Not that it was possible.

well, a 'thought exercise' leads to ideas for implementing a plan.
i agree it would be nice to save young kids from the clutches of these savages who see them only as cannon fodder.
i think the young ones could be saved.
i thought that was the issue.
it is sad to see them as collateral damage. but at this point, israel needs to drop bombs. war is hell and many innocent people suffer.
hamas needs to learn that lesson. they need to learn to love their children.

847 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:04:24am
848 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:05:18am

re: #846 nyc redneck

well, a 'thought exercise' leads to ideas for implementing a plan.
i agree it would be nice to save young kids from the clutches of these savages who see them only as cannon fodder.
i think the young ones could be saved.
i thought that was the issue.
it is sad to see them as collateral damage. but at this point, israel needs to drop bombs. war is hell and many innocent people suffer.
hamas needs to learn that lesson. they need to learn to love their children.

None of my statement in this thread indicated that Hamas and the whole rest of the nut cases there didn't deserve what they get. I didn't even make the first suggestion that it would be nice if those children could be raised somewhere else beside there.

849 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:06:29am

re: #833 albusteve

probably true but as someone said up above where is UNICEF?...why is there no international outrage?...I'm mystified that Hamas sacrifices their children and hardly anybody says a word...not even the Israelis...some good old fashioned screaming just might make at leasy some difference

i think all their children should be taken away. it is a death cult.
not a society for families.
children born to those monsters don't have a chance.
it is criminal that no one is speaking out.

850 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:07:02am

re: #847 ploome hineni

what is absurd is your ignorance about this subject...why don;t you google?

What I said:

That's just absurd. No one ever equated the Israelis to nazis.

Why don't you find me a single comment in this thread where the Israelis were equated to nazis for killing Arab children? The burden of proof is on you for making that kind of statement, not me.

851 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:12:03am
852 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:14:30am
853 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:14:52am

re: #851 ploome hineni

my statement reflected the sympathetic reaction towards gaza society and their children, the result of overwhelming anti Israeli propaganda, often masquerading as 'news,',and the ovrwelming condemnation of Israel and accusation of 'nazi like' behavior of ISrael towards the arabs, I see you were unable to comprehend my allusion, and you were thinking in a concrete literal way

Well in my opinion, most critical thinkers deal in concrete literal ways of thinking, not emotionally charge rhetoric like yours.

854 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:17:24am
855 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:18:45am

the leftie moonbats of Ireland in all their glory...

[Link: www.ipsc.ie...]

"To protest the latest Israeli atrocities perpetrated on the people of Gaza (at the time of writing over 200 people are reported dead) the IPSC is organising a series of Emergency Demonstrations around the country. We urge you to come along and stand in solidarity with the people of Gaza who are suffering unimaginable brutality at the hands of the Israeli War Machine."

these folks truely are downright f**king evil. for the sympathise with such an anti-semitic , hate filled bunch of thugs like Hamas, means you are truely warped.

856 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:19:26am

re: #854 ploome hineni

but no one cares about your opinion

I do. There's one person, thus disproving your statement.

857 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:22:41am

by the way - the IPSC has also called for the boycott of Israeli goods and services.

so , let me their leftoid moonbat logic right:

israel bombs hamas: lets boycott israel

hamas bombs israel: oh dear.. the poor oppressed pallywooders. lets give them even MORE aid and money... must be something to do with their poverty and being sooo "overcrowded"... why , look at the car swarms!

858 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:25:25am

re: #856 gclaghorn

I do. There's one person, thus disproving your statement.

i care about ALL opinions.

as long as we agree who the enemy is.
once we agree that , i couldnt give a stuff if you are Christian Evangelical, Orthodox Jew, Karl Popper existentialist atheist, Hunter S Thompson weirdo hippie beatnik, Jehovah Witness, syndalistic anarcho-capitalist, or even tree hugging Enviro-Weirdo... Islamism is the enemy. And we can all say goodbye to diversity of opinion if the Islamists take over.

859 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:27:05am

I care about Walter and I also care about you, Ploome. There's pressing someone else's buttons and then there's jumping up and down on someone else's buttons. We're clearly observing the latter here.

It's over the huge battle for the civilized world and I would hope we could at least see it as that.

860 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:30:34am

BBIAB

Ploome, we have argued over topics before and we have agreed over topics before. Let's not have this one drive a wedge into future topics.

Everything anyone discusses on LFG is important, because it's important to each of us, in what ever certain way.

Let's keep that point in mind. Even when we don't agree.

861 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:31:53am

re: #860 Walter L. Newton

BBIAB

Ploome, we have argued over topics before and we have agreed over topics before. Let's not have this one drive a wedge into future topics.

Everything anyone discusses on LFG is important, because it's important to each of us, in what ever certain way.

Let's keep that point in mind. Even when we don't agree.

Very good advice Walter, thank you for suggesting it.

862 buzzdroid  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:32:47am

re: #860 Walter L. Newton

BBIAB

Ploome, we have argued over topics before and we have agreed over topics before. Let's not have this one drive a wedge into future topics.

Everything anyone discusses on LFG is important, because it's important to each of us, in what ever certain way.

Let's keep that point in mind. Even when we don't agree.

and i promise i wont do the obligatory Voltaire quote.

lets keep that in mind folks - its BECAUSE we disagree that makes OUR way of life so much better than misogynistic , freedom hating, Jew hating Islamism.

863 gogogodzilla  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:03:22pm

A ha!

Now we finally know who 'set us up the bomb'!

:-P


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