Better late...

It's a good start. I hope the Israli's don't weaken.

If you were under a delusion that France with Sarkozy was now different- dream on.

France's President Nicolas Sarkozy went further in his criticism calling Israel's reaction to Hamas's provocations "disproportionate."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Apparently several top HAMAS commanders KIA already.

And how many car swarms?

OK, lizards, let's keep our eyes open for the next edition of fauxtography or the Green Helmet Guy. We all know that it's coming. It's only a question of when.

What would any reasonable country do if it's neighbour started lobbing rockets onto it's citizens? Why will the leftholes take hold of this ad naseum and let their socialist hero Mugabee just keep rolling along? Wake up and smell the humus.

It is about time that Israel stopped talking and started doing something about the incessant terror on their border. The blood of those killed is on Hamas' head.

I notice that all of the other countries criticizing Israel in that article fail to mention the fact that Hamas boldly gloats about firing scores of missiles into Israel. They all act like this was an unprovoked act. Would Egypt sit idly by if Hamas started firing rockets into Cairo? I think not.

It always hard to tell but I don't think Hamas miscalculated. I think Israeli retaliation was the intended outcome.

re: #3 Opinionated

If you were under a delusion that France with Sarkozy was now different- dream on.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Israel needs to tell the world (including assholes in the USA like jimma) to fuck off.

Israel hammered Hamas targets in Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 205 people in retaliation for ongoing rocket fire in one of the bloodiest days of the decades-long Middle East conflict.

A mention of the Jordyptians' culpability inthe first sentence?!

I would like to see what "the graduating class" of police were doing five minutes before the strike. How long til a video like that is released ?

Soon--chutzpah--pleading victimization because the Israelis' responded.

Perhaps, it is time for a REALLY violent response--just so the 'slimes learn there's not going to be any more f--king around!

"the impoverished, overcrowded territory" oh, i see. if you're impoversihed & overcrowded its OK to lob rockets whenever the mood strikes? our watchdog media. always on the side of evil. why is that?

And before this goes down the memory hole, note that Hamas admits that most of those killed are their own people. These are terrorists dedicated to Israel's destruction. Israel is fighting back. Finally.

These terrorists have launched hundreds of rockets at Israel, and that they haven't killed more Israelis than they have does not diminish their intent to commit mass murder and terrorize Israelis living within range of those rockets and mortars.

The terrorists sought to end the hudna and carry on their war with Israel. War is what they got. I expect that they'll be demanding a ceasefire within hours now, and the UN will meet on Monday to declare that Israel acted precipitously and used disproportionate force to attack the terrorists who have rained down thousands of kassams and mortars on Israel since the start of the year, many during the hudna (or ceasefire as the diplomats and media would love to call it - which never was much of a ceasefire since the terrorists violated the terms on a near daily basis).

Watch now too for the propagandists and terrorist sympathizers to complain about Israel's reprisals, and that Israel killed so many Palestinians with their actions - that so many were civilians, etc.

Also watch for the world leaders to engage in harsh rhetoric against Israel, despite the fact that absolutely no other nation on the planet would tolerate terrorists - a nation for all intents and purposes in Gaza - attacking their countries with rockets, mortars, and infiltration attempts on a daily basis. All would have carried out these massive reprisals long ago - and would have done so with far more collateral damage and inflicted far more damage to all of Gaza and beyond - including the terror masters in Damascus and Iran, from which Hamas takes its orders.

HAMAS: We keeel you! No more truce! All out war!

ISRAEL: Okay.

Is their any mention of what the targets were? Israel does not randomly fire into Gaza...they were aiming at something (someone?)

excellent start...

Take Hamas at their own words...

they will not surrender...

FINE...

keep blasting till they die...

Kill every Hamas leader and the cannibalistic rabbit too.

"UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said he was "deeply alarmed" by the violence and bloodshed, and called on both sides to restore calm."

"Restore calm" is UN speak for "unresponded to rocketing of Israeli cities".

Well, we'll see how long it takes for the UN to weigh in and tell Israel to stop defending itself. It tooks a few weeks during the Hezbollah conflagration, maybe this time they'll do it by Tuesday or Wednseday.
I like the strategy of hitting all securit installations at the same time. This tells me theu know exactly who is really responsible for thise missiles.

Happy Chanukah HAMAS!

#3--you may be right, however, France has how many million 'slimes?
Soon to increase exponentially.

Israel desperately needs to hammer Hamastan relentlessly to restore credibility to its eroded deterrence. This defensive action has huge implications beyond just the fight against Islamist terror emanating from Gaza - it will be seen as a message to Hezbollah, Syria, and last but not least, the mullahs of Iran.

Go IDF!

The shot of the police station looks like they caught the guys assembled in the yard. All those goofy excersizes and jumping through firey hoops doesn't appear to help defend against airstrikes.

This is going to be a great thread, thanks for posting it Charles.

Fox News just had on a Democrat who said," This will be a chance for Obama to try something new, like talking to them".

/Gag, Head Explodes

re: #6 Blackacre

OK, lizards, let's keep our eyes open for the next edition of fauxtography or the Green Helmet Guy. We all know that it's coming. It's only a question of when.

Yes yes yes! We must monitor all the usual suspects - Reuters, The AP, Agence-whatever. Its only a matter of time.

re: #3 Opinionated

Mr. Sarkozy... isn't disproportionate force in military operations the point of using your military?

In 2.5 years leading troops in WWII, Patton never once gave a defensive order because he recognized, unrelenting force now, prevents many more deaths later.

Isn't the Israeli/Palestinian conflict case in point of this?

re: #25 Li'l Mamzer

Israel desperately needs to hammer Hamastan relentlessly to restore credibility to its eroded deterrence. This defensive action has huge implications beyond just the fight against Islamist terror emanating from Gaza - it will be seen as a message to Hezbollah, Syria, and last but not least, the mullahs of Iran.

Go IDF!

Amen!

Wonder if Barry had to change his shorts when he got the news.

re: #18 Desert Dog

Is their any mention of what the targets were? Israel does not randomly fire into Gaza...they were aiming at something (someone?)

Palestinian sources in Gaza report that 40 targets were destroyed in a span of three to five minutes. This was a massive attack much along the lines of what the Americans termed "shock and awe" during their invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Simultaneous, heavy bombardment of a number of targets on which Israel spent months gathering intelligence. The military "target bank" includes dozens of additional targets linked to Hamas, some of which will certainly come under attack in the coming days.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

They should tell that asshole of the century, Khaled Mashal, that there's a missile with his name on it, and it's coming soon, so he should prepare to meet Allah in Hell.

re: #3 Opinionated

If you were under a delusion that France with Sarkozy was now different- dream on.

Surrender monkeys don't understand that "disproportionate" is how you WIN.

re: #18 Desert Dog

Is their any mention of what the targets were? Israel does not randomly fire into Gaza...they were aiming at something (someone?)

They're going after the Hamas leadership, infrastructure, and logistics.

re: #18 Desert Dog

Yes, they attacked Hamas security compounds throughout Gaza:

The bombing hit and destroyed Hamas security structures across Gaza, the group said. A training base of the Hamas military wing, the Ezzedine Al-Qassam Brigades, was pounded in the north.

Hamas said three of its senior officials -- the Gaza police chief, the police commander for central Gaza and the head of the group's bodyguard unit -- were killed in the blitz.

I suspect that the Hamas training base was one of the former Israeli towns evacuated in 2005.

Finally a response.

Israel has announced that it accepts that it has lost the new war with Hamas...

And as such will continue to use overwhelming force and destruction in order to prove they are infact the "losers"

Hamas has announced it has won and will be importing new teeshirts sporting a new photoshopped logo...

re: #32 Russkilitlover

Wonder if Barry had to change his shorts when he got the news.

It was 6am, he had to finish his waffle first.

re: #21 Lyric

"UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said he was "deeply alarmed" by the violence and bloodshed, and called on both sides to restore calm."

"Restore calm" is UN speak for "unresponded to rocketing of Israeli cities".

Whew, I feel better now that the UN has sprung into inaction.

Hamas swiftly responded by continued firing several dozen rockets into the Jewish state, killing one Israeli.

Fixed it

re: #28 NelsFree

Fox News just had on a Democrat who said," This will be a chance for Obama to try something new, like talking to them".

/Gag, Head Explodes

conversation. /That always seems to help.

re: #18 Desert Dog

Is their any mention of what the targets were? Israel does not randomly fire into Gaza...they were aiming at something (someone?)

From Reuters: "Black smoke billowed over Gaza City, where the dead and wounded lay scattered on the ground after Israel bombed more than 40 security compounds, including two where Hamas was hosting graduation ceremonies for new recruits."

re: #30 natbumpo

Mr. Sarkozy... isn't disproportionate force in military operations the point of using your military?

What Israel has is disproportionate patience to take the Arabs and the World's crap.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

It always hard to tell but I don't think Hamas miscalculated. I think Israeli retaliation was the intended outcome.

Looks like they're getting it in spades.

Hey, Hamas! Happy Hanukkah! *boom*

More disproportionate military force please!

Israel's hammer blow in Gaza

The bomb and missile strikes by F16 warplanes this morning hit Hamas compounds and positions from Gaza City to Khan Yunis in the south of the coastal strip. Civilian casualties, on a normal school and working day, must have been inevitable in the densely populated area.

re: #21 Lyric

"UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said he was "deeply alarmed" by the violence and bloodshed, and called on both sides to restore calm."

"Restore calm" is UN speak for "unresponded to rocketing of Israeli cities".

Where was this idiot when Hamas was threatening Israel?

re: #40 jcm

It was 6am, he had to finish his waffle first.

That would be funny if, you know, it weren't so dang possible!

re: #6 Blackacre

OK, lizards, let's keep our eyes open for the next edition of fauxtography or the Green Helmet Guy. We all know that it's coming. It's only a question of when.

Like this?

re: #23 moogie

Happy Chanukah HAMAS!

...I guess it would be a good thing to read the thread before I open my mouth, eh? GMTA, and an upding for beating me to it.

I wonder what Joe Bidladen is thinking now?

This bears repeating.

There is no such thing as disproportionate force in war.

There is only sufficient force to defeat the enemy and win or insufficient force that leads to a loss. Killing terrorists is what is at issue here, and the Israelis are good at it when they take off the gloves. Let's hope that it lasts long enough for Hamas to cease to exist - but hope isn't realistic. The fact is that Israel will call off the airstrikes before long because international opinion will force Israel to stop short of its goal and allow Hamas to claim victory - even as the bodies and streets run red with Hamas terrorist blood.

Looks like this is shaping into The Obama's first international crisis.

A quick test if Israel is serious:

The bombing doesn't stop until Shalit is unconditionally released.

re: #44 sbvft contributor

From Reuters: "Black smoke billowed over Gaza City, where the dead and wounded lay scattered on the ground after Israel bombed more than 40 security compounds, including two where Hamas was hosting graduation ceremonies for new recruits."

Cool! More realistic flaming hoop exercises, can't wait for the slide show.

re: #22 spirochete

Well, we'll see how long it takes for the UN to weigh in and tell Israel to stop defending itself

Wait no longer...
UN chief calls for immediate halt of violence in Gaza, southern Israel

re: #52 Happy Fun Ball

Like this?

Fake...
But accurate!
ROFL!

The Palestinians are cannon fodder for the other Arab states, and in some cases, for Iran. The violence will cease only when those states supporting the Palestinian thugs tell them to stop, or cease support because they fear for their own safety.

re: #49 jcm

Civilian casualties, on a normal school and working day, must have been inevitable in the densely populated area.

In Gaza "civilian" means they left their gun in their other pants or misplaced their bomb vest.
No such fucking thing!

re: #57 Opinionated

Upding!

re: #18 Desert Dog
Ya, Israel destroyed 6 police stations, weapons warehouses and caches. Much of the death was a result of secondary explosions due to the targets being stocked with rockets, ammo etc.

This is according to Channel 2 news in Israel

re: #54 NelsFree

I wonder what Joe Bidladen is thinking now?

He is thinking, "What is Hamas and where is Israel? Beau, can you get me my globe!"

Following the mid-morning wave of attacks, which saw some 60 aircraft bomb the impoverished, overcrowded territory, Hamas swiftly responded by firing several dozen rockets into the Jewish state, killing one Israeli.

And the propaganda continues.

Continue until the bellicose statements stop, and offers of surrender - not truce - begin.

Doesn't anybody here know how to play this game?

I predict that one of Obama's first acts as President will be to command the Israelis to stop their attacks. In twenty days' time, enough damage will have been inflicted on Hamas that the Israelis will be able to agree, making O look good for a little while.

Since the IDF is in motion, this may be a good time to deal with Iran as well.

Bomb them back to the stone age...oh wait

Of course I'm applauding these Hamas scum get what they deserve. But, as I see it, this is a cynical attempt to look presidential by Kadima in advance of the election. As in Lebanon, it's a government flailing away-- doing a job that should be done-- but for all the wrong reasons. What good is bombing Gaza unless it's at the service of a broader strategy? To bomb Hamas one day and promise to bend over for Abbas on the next? It's a disgrace.

re: #69 vagabond trader

Since the IDF is in motion, this may be a good time to deal with Iran as well.

It saves on overtime.

Hamas press conference after Israeli Gaza strikes

re: #61 quickjustice

The Palestinians are cannon fodder for the other Arab states, and in some cases, for Iran. The violence will cease only when those states supporting the Palestinian thugs tell them to stop, or cease support because they fear for their own safety.

They are the poor pathetic victims they prop up to the world to show how evil Israel is...why is it that only about 1/2 of the USA sees this and a much smaller portion of the rest of the world sees HAMAS, ASSAD, HEZBOLLAH, IRAN, et al for what they really are? Is the hatred for Israel really that bad across the world?

Impoverished? Bring the screen doors back. Stop making rockets, get a real job.

re: #44 sbvft contributor

From Reuters: "Black smoke billowed over Gaza City, where the dead and wounded lay scattered on the ground after Israel bombed more than 40 security compounds, including two where Hamas was hosting graduation ceremonies for new recruits."

"Security compounds"? Now there's a good euphemism.

re: #69 vagabond trader

Since the IDF is in motion, this may be a good time to deal with Iran as well.

Umm, no. One war at a time is easier. Once THAT one is over, though...

re: #70 ROP?LOL

Bomb them back to the stone age...oh wait

into submission.

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Wait no longer...
UN chief calls for immediate halt of violence in Gaza, southern Israel

Was there a reference to any specific violence?

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Wait no longer...
UN chief calls for immediate halt of violence in Gaza, southern Israel

What a moron. He says he's "disappointed" that repeated calls for Hamas to stop launching rockets into Israel have gone unheeded. Guess all that "talking" just didn't get the job done.

Go Israel.

re: #62 VegasRick

Civilian casualties, on a normal school and working day, must have been inevitable in the densely populated area.

In Gaza "civilian" means they left their gun in their other pants or misplaced their bomb vest.
No such fucking thing!

Such collateral casualties are solely the responsibility of Hamas for co-locating targets with civilians.

Re-write - truth included.

Civilian casualties will be high because of human rights violations on the part of Hamas for co-locating military and civilian facilities.

re: #50 gclaghorn

Where was this idiot when Hamas was threatening Israel?

I'm sure he was doing everything in his power as UN Head Cheese to convince the Hama's leadership that violence isn't the answer.

re: #70 ROP?LOL

Bomb them back to the stone age...oh wait

Bomb them back to the primordial soup age.

/carl sagan

Reuters: "At the main Gaza City graduation ceremony, uniformed bodies lay in a pile and the wounded writhed in pain. Some rescue workers beat their heads and shouted "God is greatest." One badly wounded man quietly recited verses from the Koran."

Why would they beat their heads? Is this some new kind of resuscitation technique?

re: #50 gclaghorn

Where was this idiot when Hamas was threatening Israel?

In a threesome with Dinnerjacket and Kim.

re: #84 sbvft contributor

Reuters: "At the main Gaza City graduation ceremony, uniformed bodies lay in a pile and the wounded writhed in pain. Some rescue workers beat their heads and shouted "God is greatest." One badly wounded man quietly recited verses from the Koran."

Why would they beat their heads? Is this some new kind of resuscitation technique?

...trying to knock some sense into them?

re: #77 NelsFree

Heh. Bombing Hamas terror camps in Gaza is not war, it's target practice.

re: #84 sbvft contributor

Reuters: "At the main Gaza City graduation ceremony, uniformed bodies lay in a pile and the wounded writhed in pain. Some rescue workers beat their heads and shouted "God is greatest." One badly wounded man quietly recited verses from the Koran."

Why would they beat their heads? Is this some new kind of resuscitation technique?

Muslim medical science in action- they're not sure where lungs are, but know where a lot of air is collected (as in airheads!)/

BKM of course has issued the obligatory statement for Israel to quit, but it will take a few days to get the security counc all in the same room to issue a written response.

re: #87 vagabond trader

Heh. Bombing Hamas terror camps in Gaza is not war, it's target practice.

Wait till they see war for real...

It's an impoverished territory because the inhabitants have chosen to make it so.

They spend their time figuring out new ways to attack Israel, not on making their lives better.

Too bad.

re: #23 moogie

Happy Chanukah HAMAS!

Follow up by bombarding them with an endless loop of The Dreidel Song, played through loudspeakers.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

These guys need to decide one way or the other. Are they growing a beard or not?

re: #3 Opinionated

If you were under a delusion that France with Sarkozy was now different- dream on.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I'd say that proportionality is vastly overrated.

re: #85 jcm

In a threesome with Dinnerjacket and Kim.

Naa, he was at a dinner party in the Upper East Sid toasting with Champagne with members of he UN Human Rights Commission: Syria, Sudan, Iran, N. Korea, Russia...you know the countries with outstanding track records of Human Rights

re: #86 NelsFree

...trying to knock some sense into them?

Finishing them off? With delicacy and subtlety?

re: #55 lawhawk

This bears repeating.

There is no such thing as disproportionate force in war.

There is only sufficient force to defeat the enemy and win or insufficient force that leads to a loss. Killing terrorists is what is at issue here, and the Israelis are good at it when they take off the gloves. Let's hope that it lasts long enough for Hamas to cease to exist - but hope isn't realistic. The fact is that Israel will call off the airstrikes before long because international opinion will force Israel to stop short of its goal and allow Hamas to claim victory - even as the bodies and streets run red with Hamas terrorist blood.

I wish Olmert would take his phone off the hook.

Operation Cast Lead

Ooh, I like that name. Right to the point.

re: #89 spirochete

BKM of course has issued the obligatory statement for Israel to quit, but it will take a few days to get the security counc all in the same room to issue a written response.

Maybe the US could be absent...
And a bulldozer accident pushes the Security Council into the river.

UN out of the Middle East! Everywhere there's a UN presence, there's a breeding ground for terrorists. The UN should get out of Lebanon, out of the "refugee" camps (how old are they now? Fifty-five years?), and out of everywhere else in the Middle East. At their best, they're little better than human shields.

The Gazans are Not Jordanians. Over three quarters of them came from Egypt where they were happy to offload unemployed fedayeen onto the Jewish mandate of Palestine. The Christians (who have dwindled as they have in all areas under Hamas or PA control) and a small minority of Moslems are descended from natives to the area. Most of the so-called Palestinians ancestors came from Syria or Lebanon between 1870 and 1920.

re: #95 Desert Dog

Naa, he was at a dinner party in the Upper East Sid toasting with Champagne with members of he UN Human Rights Commission: Syria, Sudan, Iran, N. Korea, Russia...you know the countries with outstanding track records of Human Rights

Even more disgusting...

Hamas is promising more suicide bombings inside Israel - as if they've been holding off from these NOT because Israel has made it nearly impossible for them to carry them off.

Abu Massen was just in Egypt. I'll bet Egypt and Massen knew about this in advance or at least suspecting that it was coming. Massen hates hamas too.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

It always hard to tell but I don't think Hamas miscalculated. I think Israeli retaliation was the intended outcome.

Yes.
When Israel's defense of herself is reported, as it is, as Israel "hammering" when Hamas is reported as "responding" - I have no doubt at all that what you said is true.

Look at the snippet Charles posted:

GAZA CITY (AFP) – Israel hammered Hamas targets in Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 205 people in retaliation for ongoing rocket fire in one of the bloodiest days of the decades-long Middle East conflict.

Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said “Operation Cast Lead,” which has also left some 300 wounded, would continue “as long as necessary.”

“The battle will be long and difficult, but the time has come to act and to fight,” he said.

Following the mid-morning wave of attacks, which saw some 60 aircraft bomb the impoverished, overcrowded territory, Hamas swiftly responded by firing several dozen rockets into the Jewish state, killing one Israeli

It was Israel responding to begin with - but they are reported to have "hammered" Hamas targets, and Hamas is reported to have "swiftly responded".

It seems to be only peripherally mentioned that Israel's "hammering" of Hamas was in fact a response to the Hamas attack.

Hamas has the instincts of Cock Roaches, they are all scurrying around to find a dark place to hide now...

re: #84 sbvft contributor

Reuters: "At the main Gaza City graduation ceremony, uniformed bodies lay in a pile and the wounded writhed in pain. Some rescue workers beat their heads and shouted "God is greatest." One badly wounded man quietly recited verses from the Koran."

Why would they beat their heads? Is this some new kind of resuscitation technique?

Allah controls all - so why would Allah allow this? is Allah choosing sides?

Reuters: "White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said in a statement that urged Israel to avoid civilian casualties but stopped short of calling for an end to the Israeli air strikes."

Thank you George Bush. I wonder if Obama will reflect same sentiment? ...Should I not hold my breath?

re: #6 Blackacre

OK, lizards, let's keep our eyes open for the next edition of fauxtography or the Green Helmet Guy. We all know that it's coming. It's only a question of when.

This may be one? Child victims

Good Morning Lizards! It's Melting in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

How are you-all this morning and what are we talking about?

Wow... a 3 minute bombing run...

give them 3 weeks of bombing...

re: #106 DistantThunder

That's a good question to drop into the comments threads at Sky and BBC.

re: #95 Desert Dog

Naa, he was at a dinner party in the Upper East Sid toasting with Champagne with members of he UN Human Rights Commission: Syria, Sudan, Iran, N. Korea, Russia...you know the countries with outstanding track records of Human Rights

Where was Jimmy Carter?

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I think you're right, but here's hoping they get more than they bargained for. Israel will receive criticism and condemnation from the world community no matter what they do, so they may as well meet the obligation they have as a sovereign state to protect their citizens.

re: #71 dreaboi

Of course I'm applauding these Hamas scum get what they deserve. But, as I see it, this is a cynical attempt to look presidential by Kadima in advance of the election. As in Lebanon, it's a government flailing away-- doing a job that should be done-- but for all the wrong reasons. What good is bombing Gaza unless it's at the service of a broader strategy? To bomb Hamas one day and promise to bend over for Abbas on the next? It's a disgrace.

In Lebanon the IDF relied to much on air power as precision artillery and then lost a half assed ground campaign they were not properly trained, equipped or planned for. Barak should know better. If Olmert repeats he gets lynched so he should let the professionals do it right this time.

re: #109 ggt
Hi ggt! Just got back from doing some chores and I don't know, bu it seems as if everyone is still On Topic!

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Hamas press conference after Israeli Gaza strikes

Oh, noez! It's the ferocious Zionists!

Are all the Muslim leaders now calling Israelis "Zionists" in an attempt to strip Israel of its image as a sovereign nation?

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Where was Jimmy Carter?

Under the table...

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Where was Jimmy Carter?

In Plains, GA, taking his Alzheimers pills...dreaming of his glory days as Worst President of the 20th Century?

If the only way you learn a lesson in life is by way of humiliation and defeat, your life is gonna be rough.

The Palis seem to be channeling Nietzsche.
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."

re: #73 Killgore Trout

That "press conference" was almost unbearable to sit through...what a bunch of losers

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Where was Jimmy Carter?

Check low and behind some World tyrant.

re: #98 Basho

Ooh, I like that name. Right to the point.

I like Operation Kill the Fucking Terrorist better.

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Where was Jimmy Carter?

Didn't you see him in the Hamas presser video upthread?

/

re: #10 Killgore Trout

It always hard to tell but I don't think Hamas miscalculated. I think Israeli retaliation was the intended outcome.

Yeah, they always play the game of provoking retaliation, but I doubt Hamas expected a counterattack of this magnitude.

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan
Jimmy was working hard to take out the obvious Anti-Semitic remarks from his next speech. Bet he doesn't get 'em all though.

Over 205 Pal. Martyred, 400 Hurt in IAF Gaza Strikes

Check out this al Jazeera article. Complete with martyrs, all of Israel referred to as occupied territory and so on.

re: #123 kcladderman

I like Operation Kill the Fucking Terrorist better.

That has a nice ring to it.

re: #115 realwest

Hi ggt! Just got back from doing some chores and I don't know, bu it seems as if everyone is still On Topic!

Yeah, I get that impression as well.

How you doin' RW?

re: #107 sbvft contributor

Thank you George Bush. I wonder if Obama will reflect same sentiment? ...Should I not hold my breath?

Not unless oxygen deprivation strikes you as fun.

re: #125 Charles

Yes I think their plan worked a little too well. I imagine the palis version of OH SHIT was said several times this morning.

re: #127 zionist-crusader

Over 205 Pal. Martyred, 400 Hurt in IAF Gaza Strikes

Check out this al Jazeera article. Complete with martyrs, all of Israel referred to as occupied territory and so on.

Reading that, you'd think everyone in Gaza has a big bright halo and the Israelis are demons from hell...Wonder how they got that switched around so badly?

Call me a sceptic, but I'm pretty sure this was politically motivated. Kadima has been struggling to catch Likud in the polls and with the election 2 months away, they need to show the public that they care. Truth is, Kadima should have acted months ago, but didn't. They know the public is likely to support the government during wartime, so here is the war. Not surpisingly, Kadima is neck and neck with Likud according to the Jerusalem Post today. If they fool the Israeli public in to voting for them again, then shame on the Israelis for being led again by the same regime that failed to act all along.

re: #132 Desert Dog

Reading that, you'd think everyone in Gaza has a big bright halo and the Israelis are demons from hell...Wonder how they got that switched around so badly?

It's second nature.

LONG over due in my opinion. How come only Hamas civilians count, are Jewish people still none people in the MSM's eyes. Long live Israel and it's people.

re: #132 Desert Dog

Reading that, you'd think everyone in Gaza has a big bright halo and the Israelis are demons from hell...Wonder how they got that switched around so badly?

Allah-nebriated

re: #113 rw in san diego
Hi rw! Hope you're doing well today!
Actually, in the DT, aside from the inevitable Anti-Semistism of the BBC, most of the comments I saw from the world media seemed to blame Israel but also acknowledged that Hamas must stop firing rockets and mortars into Israel.
Strange seeing them at least trying to be even-handed.
I think NJDhockeyfan had a summary or round up of the media's reaction around the world. Maybe I can find it...be back in a minute!

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Where was Jimmy Carter?

Building "Habitat for Hamas" houses?

It breaks my heart to see little children injured or killed, but the Palestinians bring this upon themselves.

They reap the seed which they sow.

re: #117 jcm

Under the table...

and all the Hamas leaders sitting at the table were smiling for some strange reason.

re: #127 zionist-crusader

Over 205 Pal. Martyred

Just in time. So many seventy two virgins were about to get laid off they were coming to Washington for a bailout.

Hello to you all,

I can give some data in regard to what is being stated in Israeli TV, as this isn't being shown on Reuters. If you watch channel 22 or (Arutz 2) the attack was actually 2 waves. The with around a total of ~80 aircraft (mix of Helicopters and Jets, but doesn't state the exact composition). There were around or probably more 100 targets all hit simultaneously in a time frame of 5-10 minutes.

Israel has made it's demands for a renewed cease-fire that it stop rockets, no acquisition of weapons, no suicide bombings, no cross border shootings, no planting of explosives on the border, and generally a stop in terror activities.

Currently the toll is 205 dead and another 200 injured, but is believed to be as high as 350 dead(or even more) and I can't really give any numbers in regard to injuries. Also with pretty much all 'security compounds' in Gaza gone.

Hamas launched approximately 50 rockets into Israel, killing one man Netivot, and another seriously in a Synagogue in the same town. All Israeli's in the Western Negev or the Gaza belt have been ordered to be in or nearby there bomb shelters. Depending if you are in a 10,20, or 30km away from Gaza you have around 15, 30, or 45 seconds respectively to get to you're bomb shelters.

Generally most people in Israel are put simply extraordinarily surprised at the strike due to the general impotence of the Government and the obvious attempt by the Kadima-Labor coalition to save this for max election impact.

One extra point that should be noted is that Hamas is threatening to launch 300 rockets a day. However they haven't there are three possible explanations for this.
1. Hamas is in complete disarray and is now just trying to re-organize itself for a major bombardment
2. Hamas is waiting for a better time, such as tomorrow in the afternoon at the beginning of a new Israeli work week. (Sunday in Israel is the first day of the week)
3. The best case: the IAF basically took out a huge proportion of the stockpiles and now Hamas is simply trying to scramble to find remnants but is concerned of UAV tracking.

Final Point: OF COURSE THIS ATTACK WAS DISPROPORTIONAL: Israel only launched 100 missiles while Hamas launched 200 in the past week. The IAF needs to catch up!

re: #107 sbvft contributor
Bush is still President, in spite of The One's and his press regime's efforts to ignore that. Just a few more days of knowing we've got a CIC who's really in charge.

re: #114 lifeofthemind

I disagree - the Israelis telegraphed every last move, and then pushed a ground offensive in the most half-assed and asinine fashion (operating in a race against the UN clock), instead of breaking off the supply lines and the Hizbullah center of operations in the Bekaa on their own schedule, and they ignored the Bekaa while going after South of the Litani and Beirut. Hizbullah had prepared for the Israeli ops, digging in deep among the civilians, and the outcome was assured to give Israel a black eye regardless of the ground campaign. Israel's leaders only made the situation worse by not dealing swiftly and harshly to the Hizbullah operations from the outset.

re: #125 Charles

Yeah, they always play the game of provoking retaliation, but I doubt Hamas expected a counterattack of this magnitude.

And tragically the Israeli's haven't and will not employ the magnitude of attack required to accomplish their goals. They will be hamstrung by useful idiots who even after witnessing 50 years of deceit and bloodshed from the Palestinians and their Muslim Arab enablers/neighbors still refuse to believe what the Palestinian/Muslim Arab agenda is. That goal is the total destruction of Israel and the deaths of as many Israeli/Jewish people as is possible.

A question, is it even Hamas, as such, that is launching the rockets at Israel?

How many people does it take to move an ambulance gurney with somebody on it with no apparent injuries? With the camera rolling?
6- 8 guys.
The kids being shuffled around, do they look injured?
And why are kids near Hamas Security stations, anyway? Was it bring your infant to work day in Gaza?

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Where was Jimmy Carter?

Under the table...

JCM

Did you mean Jimmy was hiding or performing his special kind of of "negotiiting"?

re: #133 mikeytrix

A Wag the Dog scenario? Perhaps it was a little...I think they waited way to long to do this...they let Hamas shoot at them for months before doing anything.

re: #127 zionist-crusader

Over 205 Pal. Martyred, 400 Hurt in IAF Gaza Strikes

Check out this al Jazeera article. Complete with martyrs, all of Israel referred to as occupied territory and so on.

At least two people were killed and 30 wounded from an attack in Khan Younis, a refugee camp in the south of Gaza.

A refugee camp in their own nation?! That alone shows that Hamas doesn't have those people's best interests at heart.

re: #142 Manker

Thank you, and that last point was quite cogent.

re: #146 itellu3times

A question, is it even Hamas, as such, that is launching the rockets at Israel?

Yes, they have been, they took credit for the attacks during the past three days, although to be sure, Islamic Jihad has been busy right alongside them.

re: #146 itellu3times

A question, is it even Hamas, as such, that is launching the rockets at Israel?

Gaza is Hamas contolled, tightly controlled. Not a rocket goes off with a nod from Hamas.

re: #55 lawhawk

Just so.
Saw that video on top - and got these photos:

Hamburg 1945

Cologne 1945

Berlin 1945

According to today's FMSM, that looks mightily 'disproportionate', doesn't it ...

Well, I'm sorry if I sound bloodthirsty, but in my not so humble opinion, Hamas and the Arabs may start wailing when Gaza looks like the pictures above.
Until then, let the IDF do whats necessary - and just pray they don't stop!

re: #142 Manker

Thanks for keeping us up to date on this Manker.

re: #148 RoyalCanadian

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Where was Jimmy Carter?

Under the table...

JCM

Did you mean Jimmy was hiding or performing his special kind of of "negotiiting"?

Would I suggest such a thing?
*innocent look*

What else does he do?
Khomeini.
Mugabe
Kim
Arafish
all have been, ahh, serviced by Rabbit Bait.

re: #131 kcladderman

Yes I think their plan worked a little too well. I imagine the palis version of OH SHIT was said several times this morning.

Nope, the one thing you can be certain of is that Hamas owns the worlds media in this respect. They know with indisputable certainty that the harder Israel hit's them the better it is for their cause. They were not saying OH SHIT... They were praising Allah with all their hearts.

re: #146 itellu3times

A question, is it even Hamas, as such, that is launching the rockets at Israel?

Yes. Nothing happens in Gaza without Hamas approval

re: #113 rw in san diego
Hey rw - this is from NJHockeyDevils' post #350 in the DT

REACTION-Israeli attacks on Gaza

GAZA, Dec 27 (Reuters) - Israeli war planes and combat helicopters pounded the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Here are some of the key comments:

ISRAELI DEFENCE FORCE STATEMENT:

"The IDF will continue its operations against terror in accordance with constant status assessments by the IDF Chief of General Staff. This operation will be continued, expanded and intensified as much as required."

ISRAELI DEFENCE MINISTER EHUD BARAK:

"We face a period that will be neither easy nor short, and will require determination and perseverance until the necessary change is achieved in the situation in the south."

ISLAMIC JIHAD:

"All fighters are ordered to respond to the Israeli slaughter."

HAMAS ARMED WING SPOKESMAN ABU UBAIDA:

The group will "teach the enemy a lesson they will never forget".

NABIL ABU RDAINAH, AIDE TO PALESTINIAN PRESIDENT MAHMOUD ABBAS:

"President Abbas demands that the Israeli government stop this aggression immediately to spare our people its painful effects, and calls on the international community to intervene to stop the aggression."

WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN GORDON JOHNDROE:

"Hamas' continued rocket attacks into Israel must cease if the violence is to stop. Hamas must end its terrorist activities if it wishes to play a role in the future of the Palestinian people.

"The United States urges Israel to avoid civilian casualties as it targets Hamas in Gaza."

SPOKESMAN FOR EU FOREIGN POLICY CHIEF JAVIER SOLANA

"We are very concerned at the events in Gaza. We call for an immediate ceasefire and urge everybody to exert maximum restraint."

ARAB LEAGUE SECRETARY-GENERAL AMR MOUSSA:

"We are facing a continuing spectacle which has been carefully planned. So we have to expect that there will be many casualties. We face a major humanitarian catastrophe".

EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT HOSNI MUBARAK, QUOTED BY MENA:

"Egypt condemns the Israeli military attacks."

"Egypt will continue its contacts to prepare an atmosphere conducive to restoring the period of calm and achieving reconciliation between the Palestinian groups."

IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN HASAN QASHQAVI QUOTED BY STATE TELEVISION:

"Iran strongly condemns the Zionist regime's (Israel) wide-ranging attacks against the civilians in Gaza."

"The raids agains innocent people are unforgiveable and unacceptable."

RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY STATEMENT:

"Moscow deems it necessary to stop large scale military action against Gaza, which had already led to big casualties and suffering among civilian Palestinian population. At the same time we call on Hamas leadership to stop shelling Israeli territory."

FRENCH PRESIDENCY STATEMENT:

"He (French President Nicolas Sarkozy) demands an immediate stop to the firing of rockets on Israel and to the Israeli bombings in Gaza and calls for all parties to use restraint."

BRITISH FOREIGN OFFICE STATEMENT:

"The only way to achieve lasting peace in Gaza is through peaceful means. Whilst we understand the Israeli government's obligation to protect its population we urge maximum restraint to avoid further civilian casualties"

"We also call on miltants in the Gaza Strip to immediately cease all rocket attacks on Israel."

Notice the interesting contrast between JAVIER SOLANA and the Russians (the Russians!).

re: #142 Manker

Thanks for the scoop!

re: #147 PowerFlip

How many people does it take to move an ambulance gurney with somebody on it with no apparent injuries? With the camera rolling?
6- 8 guys.
The kids being shuffled around, do they look injured?
And why are kids near Hamas Security stations, anyway? Was it bring your infant to work day in Gaza?

The place their operations in residential areas for this reason...so their is maximum collateral damage. They probably hope Israel will restrain themselves knowing this fact. It's the same with Hezbollah in Lebanon...they operate as close to civilians as they can...

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Wait no longer...
UN chief calls for immediate halt of violence in Gaza, southern Israel

I hope the Israeli Government does just as Sudan, Dem.Rep of Congo, Zimbabwe are doing: do not listen to him!

re: #146 itellu3times

A question, is it even Hamas, as such, that is launching the rockets at Israel?

No. It's the fucking Girl Scouts.

What I would like is for Israel to line up 200 artillery tubes starting at the shore near Zikim and eat its way forward one sixteenth of a mile each day until peace, real peace not a hudna, is accepted. Shell and advance, then pause and then shell and advance. They should make it very clear that as of now any land that is taken from hostile arabs will never be given up.

about time

bbiab

re: #84 sbvft contributor

Likely their own heads... a greiving mechanism?

re: #150 MandyManners

A refugee camp in their own nation?! That alone shows that Hamas doesn't have those people's best interests at heart.

No Mandy, it is anti-Israeli propaganda because the Palestinians dont have their own country, according to the narrative, Israel is their country and the evil Jews are occupying their country so anywhere Palestinians live is a refuge camp.

re: #163 MandyManners

No. It's the fucking Girl Scouts.

Damn Girl Scouts! If it wasn't for those cookies, I say start bombing them too!

CNN, also known as "Al-Jazeera English," is now blaring this headline on the front page of their website:

Israeli air attacks on Gaza kill 170

The article is complete with pictures of injured Palestinian children.

No yellow journalism here!

The #1 recommended DKos Diary...
Israel's ongoing war on Palestinian self-determination

There is clearly very little incentive for Gazans to ditch Hamas as long as the the West Bank remains under the iron fist of the IDF and its most fertile lands in the hands of the colonial settlers. There is also no real incentive for Hamas to end its rocket attacks on Israel as long as we make regime change a condition for removing the blockade on Gaza.
...
We should remember that Hamas largely stuck to the ceasefire while it was going on and even arrested members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades for shooting rockets into Israel. If Israel continues to play with fire, then the incoming Obama administration should consider withholding military assistance.

There's no excuse for putting up with Israel's bullshit anymore.

Don't you guys get it? This is Hamas and Israel working together to destabilize the region even more in order to boost oil prices. The Arab leaders will publicly bitch and moan about their poor poor Palestinian brothers but do nothing except rub their hands together over tea with their whores as the traders spike oil for at least a few weeks if not hopefully longer. Iran can get into the mix with a couple of poorly aimed missiles, and voila, back to at least $80-$100 in a matter of days. Russia then gets to sell even more outdated missiles to Iran at inflated prices to help with its current economic implosion. Of course, the Mossad is behind all of this as even though there is not one drop of oil in Israel with the blessings of lame ducks Bush and Cheney. The semi-secret underground bullet train between Tel Aviv and Tehran (with stations along the way in Amman and Baghdad) is going to be very busy this week as the various puppet-masters decide on how to capitalize and maximize the return for the escalation in Gaza. So, look for a gallon a gas to rise quickly in the next few days.

Of course, another explanation is that Israel is finally growing a freaking pair and hopefully will permanently neuter Hamas and Nahoul the Bee too.

You know, I would have scoffed and let out a few chuckles and chortles at the first scenario a few months ago, but given the recent thieving and mismanagement of our economy by all the politicos, I don't put anything past them anymore.

re: #12 Mandy Manners

A mention of the Jordyptians' culpability inthe first sentence?!

I know. I was surprised as heck myself. I'm even more surprised that so far most of the articles I've read have written about Hamas' rockets early in their coverage. And no where -- so far -- have I read that Hamas' recent rockets were in retaliation for three Gazans killed by Israel while setting up an IED.

I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to start whining and screeching about Israel's "disproportionate" response, and how dare the Jews respond any way.

re: #159 realwest

If I were POTUS.

For years Israel has shown great restraint in the face of thousands of rockets fire from Gaza. Israel has an inalienable right to self defense. If the Palestinians truly wish for a cease fire, a real binding cease fire, they have my phone number.

re: #168 doriangrey

No Mandy, it is anti-Israeli propaganda because the Palestinians dont have their own country, according to the narrative, Israel is their country and the evil Jews are occupying their country so anywhere Palestinians live is a refuge camp.

From what I read in the MFM, Hamas is the government of Gaza.

re: #142 Manker
Hey Manker - thanks a lot for that comment! I would just say - even though I'm repeating myself - I see no value at all in a "proportional response"; that will do NOTHING to deter those murderous s.o.b.'s in Hamas; I think Israel did a good job, but I also think it needs to go further, faster and harder.
Again, thanks for that comment!

the willingness to act - finally - speaks loudly in the only language understood by the arabs.

re: #163 MandyManners

No. It's the fucking Girl Scouts.

"You won't buy another box of shortbreads? Take this!"

It's about damned time Israel struck back.

A populace that elects Hamas as its political leadership deserves what it gets.

re: #171 Killgore Trout

The #1 recommended DKos Diary...
Israel's ongoing war on Palestinian self-determination

There is only one word for that: IDIOT

Well, if I ever want to know what side of an issue I should be on, I should just go over to KOS and see what the "enlightened ones" think...then take the opposite side.

re: #157 doriangrey

Nope, the one thing you can be certain of is that Hamas owns the worlds media in this respect. They know with indisputable certainty that the harder Israel hit's them the better it is for their cause. They were not saying OH SHIT... They were praising Allah with all their hearts.

Well the ones who were saying OH Shit were the one who saw the missiles launched in their direction. They are at this point introducing themselves to the other inhabitants of hell.

re: #137 realwest

Hi real! Good to 'see' you. I hope you and your mother had a wonderful Christmas and I wish you both a healthy and happy new year.

I think the 'world community' will show some understanding up until the time that Israel's retaliation starts having an effect on the Palestinians themselves. Could they possibly start to question the wisdom of electing thugs to govern them? At that point the criticisms and condemnations of Israel will become thunderous.

re: #171 Killgore Trout

The #1 recommended DKos Diary...
Israel's ongoing war on Palestinian self-determination

Oh, dear. I guess it's predictable, but I get so tired of that attitude.

re: #144 lawhawk

I disagree - the Israelis telegraphed every last move, and then pushed a ground offensive in the most half-assed and asinine fashion (operating in a race against the UN clock), instead of breaking off the supply lines and the Hizbullah center of operations in the Bekaa on their own schedule, and they ignored the Bekaa while going after South of the Litani and Beirut. Hizbullah had prepared for the Israeli ops, digging in deep among the civilians, and the outcome was assured to give Israel a black eye regardless of the ground campaign. Israel's leaders only made the situation worse by not dealing swiftly and harshly to the Hizbullah operations from the outset.

Where do you disagree with me? Was I unclear? The blame was on Olmert.
Let us hope Barak does better.

re: #172 mfarmer1

You know, I would have scoffed and let out a few chuckles and chortles at the first scenario a few months ago, but given the recent thieving and mismanagement of our economy by all the politicos, I don't put anything past them anymore.

Might want to loosen that tin-foil hat for a few minutes, pardner.

re: #182 rw in san diego

Hi real! Good to 'see' you. I hope you and your mother had a wonderful Christmas and I wish you both a healthy and happy new year.

I think the 'world community' will show some understanding up until the time that Israel's retaliation starts having an effect on the Palestinians themselves. Could they possibly start to question the wisdom of electing thugs to govern them? At that point the criticisms and condemnations of Israel will become thunderous.

Doubtful.
Two factors.
3 generations of brainwashing.
Inshallah, Allah wills this to be their lot in life, don't argue with Allah.

re: #173 samsgran1948

I know. I was surprised as heck myself. I'm even more surprised that so far most of the articles I've read have written about Hamas' rockets early in their coverage. And no where -- so far -- have I read that Hamas' recent rockets were in retaliation for three Gazans killed by Israel while setting up an IED.

I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to start whining and screeching about Israel's "disproportionate" response, and how dare the Jews respond any way.

It's already happening.

re: #183 Dianna

The Koskidz have been working very hard to hide their antisemitism over the past year or so. It still slips out sometimes.

re: #185 MandyManners

Might want to loosen that tin-foil hat for a few minutes, pardner.

I thought the sarcasm was obvious enough. Sorry about that.

re: #174 jcm
Hey there jcm!
If I were POTOUS: "Prime Minister Olmert, what can we do to help Israel defend itself more thoroughly?
Name it and if it can be done before January 20th, you've got it!"

re: #172 mfarmer1

I like it, do you have a three movie deal?

re: #181 kcladderman

Well the ones who were saying OH Shit were the one who saw the missiles launched in their direction. They are at this point introducing themselves to the other inhabitants of hell.

Which is exactly what they should be doing... However the OH SHIT's only began when they were introduced to their Virgins... Demons who had as yet not had the pleasure of ripping a human soul to shreds...

re: #180 Desert Dog

There is only one word for that: IDIOT

You're being too kind. The term "idiot" implies that it's mere stupidity at work, ignoring the evil intent behind their propaganda.

re: #189 mfarmer1

I thought the sarcasm was obvious enough. Sorry about that.

I got the sarcasm the second time I read it, but it might be nice if you used "/sarc" tags after sarcastic statements.

I updinged you anyway.

re: #189 mfarmer1

I was giving you extra batty points for the 'underground bullet train' concept.

re: #188 Killgore Trout

It does, doesn't it?

Tiresome. Ridiculous.

re: #189 mfarmer1

I thought the sarcasm was obvious enough. Sorry about that.

'Sokay. I was being facetious.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

It always hard to tell but I don't think Hamas miscalculated. I think Israeli retaliation was the intended outcome.

Actually probably just a diversion to tide them over to Obama.

If Israel attacks the Iranian nukes, who would they rather be backing Israel - Noboma or Bush?

I've got a bunch of terrorist sympathizers commenting about how Israel is carrying out genocide with today's attacks.

I've had to slam 'em hard (when not deleting them outright for violating my prime directives - no cursing and not being civil). The only ones talking genocide are the terrorists now on the receiving end of high explosives courtesy of Israel.

Hamas and Fatah, along with the terror masters in Damascus and Tehran would love nothing less than to see Israel rid from the planet and Israelis scattered to the winds. Hamas doesn't hide its agenda, despite the media doing its usual sympathetic heroic portrayal of terrorists plotting attacks and preparing to kill Israelis with their kassams, mortars, and explosives.

Hamas got the war it wanted, just not at the time and place of its choosing.

Too bad. So sad.

The Palestinian people got the government they deserved. They voted for Hamas and nihilism. They're getting it in spades, and they will face a choice.

Either accept defeat and Israel's continued existence (along with the economic and social and political benefits of a true peace), or continue to deal with death and destruction of their own choosing.

Why can't the leftards make it to Gaza to act as human shields?

re: #190 realwest

Hey there jcm!
If I were POTOUS: "Prime Minister Olmert, what can we do to help Israel defend itself more thoroughly?
Name it and if it can be done before January 20th, you've got it!"

Heh! Even better!

Put a few B-1Bs, loaded to the gills with JDAMS in a low supersonic race track over Gaza.

re: #174 jcm

If I were POTUS.

For years Israel has shown great restraint in the face of thousands of rockets fire from Gaza. Israel has an inalienable right to self defense. If the Palestinians truly wish for a cease fire, a real binding cease fire, they have my phone number.

you'd have my vote...if BO says anything short of giving full support to Israeli aggression...Israel should tell hin to fuck off...Dick Chaney style...I'm really hoping BO keeps his pie hole shut

re: #142 Manker

Thank you for that - especially your last sentence!
Let Israel finally catch up with all the rockets Hamas has shelled them with since they took over Gaza!

re: #197 MandyManners

'Sokay. I was being facetious.

You :O facetious? Mandy... I just cant believe it... ;p

Tomorrow's Headlines Today

Obama mounted his unicorn and flew in a single night to Jerusalem, where he declared 1,000 years of peace would begin immediately.

Unfortunately, violence continued in Gaza for the next 2,000 years.

RACH KACH TZHAL

WAR IS THE ANSWER
ONLY THUS THE I.D.F.

re: #192 doriangrey

Which is exactly what they should be doing... However the OH SHIT's only began when they were introduced to their Virgins... Demons who had as yet not had the pleasure of ripping a human soul to shreds...

The final Judgment. The one that matters the most.

re: #200 johnny_t

Why can't the leftards make it to Gaza to act as human shields?

The outgoing administration should provide them with free transportation. I'd consider it a good use for my taxes.

Chre: #201 jcm

Heh! Even better!

Put a few B-1Bs, loaded to the gills with JDAMS in a low supersonic race track over Gaza.

Subsonic

re: #206 yochanan

RACH KACH TZHAL

WAR IS THE ANSWER
ONLY THUS THE I.D.F.

Like I posted last thread.

If they want war...
Give them war...
till they want war no more.

re: #193 Abu Al-Poopypants

You're being too kind. The term "idiot" implies that it's mere stupidity at work, ignoring the evil intent behind their propaganda.

Two word then: Evil IDIOT :-)

re: #2 VegasRick

It's a good start. I hope the Israli's don't weaken.

A good thought. But Israel will pussy up immediately, give Hamas time to regroup and rearm, yada yada yada...

It's like watching some bizarre, perverse Kabuki dance.

re: #172 mfarmer1

No...

re: #199 lawhawk

The Palestinian people got the government they deserved. They voted for Hamas and nihilism. They're getting it in spades, and they will face a choice.

Either accept defeat and Israel's continued existence (along with the economic and social and political benefits of a true peace), or continue to deal with death and destruction of their own choosing.

And because they are members of a death cult, they will choose death and destruction every single time.

re: #199 lawhawk

I've got a bunch of terrorist sympathizers commenting about how Israel is carrying out genocide with today's attacks.

I've had to slam 'em hard (when not deleting them outright for violating my prime directives - no cursing and not being civil). The only ones talking genocide are the terrorists now on the receiving end of high explosives courtesy of Israel.

Hamas and Fatah, along with the terror masters in Damascus and Tehran would love nothing less than to see Israel rid from the planet and Israelis scattered to the winds. Hamas doesn't hide its agenda, despite the media doing its usual sympathetic heroic portrayal of terrorists plotting attacks and preparing to kill Israelis with their kassams, mortars, and explosives.

Hamas got the war it wanted, just not at the time and place of its choosing.

Too bad. So sad.

The Palestinian people got the government they deserved. They voted for Hamas and nihilism. They're getting it in spades, and they will face a choice.

Either accept defeat and Israel's continued existence (along with the economic and social and political benefits of a true peace), or continue to deal with death and destruction of their own choosing.

I just read some of the comments. It doesn't look like any of those moonbats had the stomach to back up their statements after you slammed 'em.

This would be a perfect opportunity for Obama to put his shirt back on and head to Egypt to bring an ever lasting peace to the region. The world can't wait, isn't that the line? Hurry Mr. President-Elect, and show us your stuff. No...not your glistening pecs.

re: #201 jcm

Put a few B-1Bs, loaded to the gills with JDAMS in a low supersonic race track over Gaza.

Sonic booms are good, and I know a guy who probably earns about a dollar every time DoD puts out another acquisition for Paveways (the modern JDAM).

OTOH, for these purposes, I'd really prefer artillery, and it is cheaper.

re: #208 Abu Al-Poopypants

I think we should add that into the financial rescue package! One way tickets...

F*** Condi Rice. Foxnews reported that State Dept is now demanding a cease fire.

And I'm yelling back at the TV:

NO MORE CEASE FIRES!

re: #209 lifeofthemind

Ch

Subsonic

Come on, a nice repetitive sonic boom does wonders for the nerves...

Speed: 900-plus mph (Mach 1.2 at sea level)
You would have to refuel... often, very often.

I applauded the news this morning. Now I want Israel to finish up this mess with about 30 days of unrelenting bombing until Gaza is plowed and ready for planting.

re: #212 SixDegrees

If Olmert follows his regular pattern, that is exactly what will happen, I fear...If he was serious, they would be doing more runs right now...continue until Hamas says "No Mas"...I don't think we'll see that with the current leadership in Israel.

'proportional' is relative...I'm hoping Israel calls the shots here and vehemantly disreagrds anyone else...especially the UN who must be made to know they have no role in this conflict...I despise the UN

Charles,
Sometimes the new comments goes into permanent spin, when the wifi drops temporarily on my end, and I have to reload eating your bandwidth. Is it possible to put in a cancel the new comments button so it rests without reloading?

re: #182 rw in san diego
Thanks for the holiday wishes and wishes for a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous for the New Year for you!
I am somewhat confused, however at this:

I think the 'world community' will show some understanding up until the time that Israel's retaliation starts having an effect on the Palestinians themselves. Could they possibly start to question the wisdom of electing thugs to govern them? At that point the criticisms and condemnations of Israel will become thunderous.

If the Pali's ever effin' wake up to the fact that they've overwhelmingly elected a bunch of murderous barbarians to govern them (i.e., it starts to REALLY HURT the everyday Pali) why would the condemnations of Israel become thunderous? I'd think it would be the opposite: praise for the Pali's for waking the hell up, but no credit to Israel for setting off the alarm clock!

re: #217 itellu3times

Sonic booms are good, and I know a guy who probably earns about a dollar every time DoD puts out another acquisition for Paveways (the modern JDAM).

OTOH, for these purposes, I'd really prefer artillery, and it is cheaper.

Couple of years back after hitting a terror base in Syria IAF did a supersonic low level run over Assads palace. Just a little message on the way home.

re: #219 Broomer

F*** Condi Rice. Foxnews reported that State Dept is now demanding a cease fire.

And I'm yelling back at the TV:

NO MORE CEASE FIRES!

I hope that's just for international consumption, and that Pres. Bush has been on the phone with Olmert telling him to do what he needs to do.

re: #228 ploome hineni

yeah, I miss those

This time we'll get a Hamas HQ swarm...

re: #219 Broomer

F*** Condi Rice. Foxnews reported that State Dept is now demanding a cease fire.

And I'm yelling back at the TV:

NO MORE CEASE FIRES!

Probably just for show. She's probably on the phone cheering them on right now. Just my quess.

re: #171 Killgore Trout

The #1 recommended DKos Diary...
Israel's ongoing war on Palestinian self-determination

Don't forget the Huffpo piece blaming Israel for killing the spirit of Christmas.

Christmas Spirit Shattered in the Holy Land

...Today, a tense atmosphere in anticipation of more bad news and an air of sadness engulfed East Jerusalem in the aftermath of the Gaza attacks. The spirit of Christmas has all but died.

The some of the comments are priceless.

re: #227 MandyManners

I hope that's just for international consumption, and that Pres. Bush has been on the phone with Olmert telling him to do what he needs to do.

Am I fucking nuts?! Why should the head of a sovereign nation need the approval of the head of another sovereign nation? Sure, we're allies but, the first duty of a state is to protect its citizens.

For those of you who are into this sort of thing, the IDF is starting to roll out pre-strike recon photos of the targets struck today:

[Link: dover.idf.il...]

And Google translation now does Hebrew.

re: #193 Abu Al-Poopypants

You're being too kind. The term "idiot" implies that it's mere stupidity at work, ignoring the evil intent behind their propaganda.

Stupidity is an intellectual failure but Idiocy can be moral failure.

Pedantically,
LOTM

So what will be the tone of the first statement from Obama?

re: #186 jcm

You're probably right. Logic is not a Palestinian trait. As long as they continue to teach hatred and promote 'martyrdom' (actually murder) I see no hope for peace.

This is a good response by Israel, but I still think they should let their people build and fire rockets at Gaza.. an eye for an eye.

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

The comments there aren't too bad. Surprising.

re: #222 Desert Dog

If Olmert follows his regular pattern, that is exactly what will happen, I fear...If he was serious, they would be doing more runs right now...continue until Hamas says "No Mas"...I don't think we'll see that with the current leadership in Israel.

what?...oh man...I hope youre wrong...Hamas has to go to the mat this time

re: #188 Killgore Trout
Gee Killgore - I refuse to go to Kos and appreciate your getting yourself so dirty by doing so, but my impression is that they haven't really been trying to hide their Anti-Semitism very hard at all; and they don't appear to have made ANY effort to hide their anti-Israel stance.

re: #232 MandyManners

Am I fucking nuts?! Why should the head of a sovereign nation need the approval of the head of another sovereign nation? Sure, we're allies but, the first duty of a state is to protect its citizens.

Didn't Hamas ask Bush and Condi for permission, before they launched their missiles?
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re: #225 realwest

Thanks for the holiday wishes and wishes for a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous for the New Year for you!
I am somewhat confused, however at this:

If the Pali's ever effin' wake up to the fact that they've overwhelmingly elected a bunch of murderous barbarians to govern them (i.e., it starts to REALLY HURT the everyday Pali) why would the condemnations of Israel become thunderous? I'd think it would be the opposite: praise for the Pali's for waking the hell up, but no credit to Israel for setting off the alarm clock!

Except that the Palestinians will never wake up, Mohammad has commanded them to make unceasing war on the Jews. They will never wake up because they love death more than life. They cannot wake up because they are already wide awake and following their Prophet of death's teaching to the very letter.

Go IDF!

About time to stop putting up with Hamas' crap.

re: #169 Desert Dog

Damn Girl Scouts! If it wasn't for those cookies, I say start bombing them too!

Do not interfere with cookies. THE COOKIES MUST FLOW.

re: #239 ploome hineni

{Aaron}

Happy Channukah to you and the Family

{ploome}

chag sameach to you too:-)

re: #219 Broomer

F*** Condi Rice. Foxnews reported that State Dept is now demanding a cease fire.

And I'm yelling back at the TV:

NO MORE CEASE FIRES!

I don't mind Condi calling for a cease fire..What bothers me is she hasn't called for that for weeks on the Pali's..
If you are going to be fair and measured then be that way when militants launch against civilians...
Otherwise Condi.. Shut the hell up

re: #236 Opinionated

It will be: "Hey, Buddy, don't waste your question"

Ban-Ki Moon wants a "return to calm". Wait, was it ever calm?

re: #247 badbear

Do not interfere with cookies. THE COOKIES MUST FLOW.

He who controls the cookies controls the universe...

How would all of these #*$^#$^s calling Israel's response "disproportionate" react it Israel had responded by randomly targeting civilian areas like the "Palestinians" do?

Does extended operations against Hamas preclude any operations against the Iranian nuclear facilities?

re: #243 ploome hineni

let me eat my waffle?

Almost

There was no immediate comment on the Israeli air strikes on Gaza from Obama, who is vacationing with his family in Hawaii, or his staff.

How Presidential!

re: #251 ClosetConservative

Ban-Ki Moon wants a "return to calm". Wait, was it ever calm?

Ban-Ki Moon can kiss my ASS!

re: #251 ClosetConservative

Ban-Ki Moon wants a "return to calm". Wait, was it ever calm?

Yes, in the year 2102 BC, there was calm for 1 month...let's return to that golden month, shall we?

re: #242 realwest

They used to be much worse. Remember about a year or two ago we'd have a dkos antisemitism thread about once a week. One of the Koskidz even went to Gaza , hung out with Hamas and wrote about what nice folks they are. That kind of diary is rare these days.

re: #247 badbear

Do not interfere with cookies. THE COOKIES MUST FLOW.

thin mints

re: #236 Opinionated

So what will be the tone of the first statement from Obama?

He will hand out shirtless photos of himself and then leave without taking questions.

re: #237 rw in san diego

You're probably right. Logic is not a Palestinian trait. As long as they continue to teach hatred and promote 'martyrdom' (actually murder) I see no hope for peace.

I lived in Iran for 10 years.
Inshallah is a HUGE culture / religious factor. Some we in the west tend to overlook. Churchill in The River War, said "there is this fearful fatalistic apathy... Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property..." Life is completely pre-detemined by Allah, to try to change things is to go against Allah.

What a nice way to wake up this morning! :)

I sincerely hope that Israel will keep it up for as long as it takes...no mercy any more (should have happened LONG, LONG, LONG ago!).

That's the danger, though...will they be persuaded/pressured to stop (as has happened every single time previously)?

Please, Israel...do not stop this time! We who see this situation for what it truly is know that you are doing what HAS to be done!

All my good will to Israel!

re: #219 Broomer

F*** Condi Rice. Foxnews reported that State Dept is now demanding a cease fire.

Don't think of it as Rice calling for a cease fire, think of it as Rice asking the Saudis for a larger retirement bonus.