The Five-Year Terror Forecast

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US News • Sat Dec 27, 2008 at 7:23 pm PST • Views: 202

Here’s your cheerful five-year forecast from the Department of Homeland Security.

WASHINGTON — The terrorism threat to the United States over the next five years will be driven by instability in the Middle East and Africa, persistent challenges to border security and increasing Internet savvy, says a new intelligence assessment obtained by The Associated Press.

Chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear attacks are considered the most dangerous threats that could be carried out against the United States. But those threats are also the most unlikely because it is so difficult for al-Qaeda and similar groups to acquire the materials needed to carry out such plots, according to the internal Homeland Security Threat Assessment for the years 2008-13.

The al-Qaeda terrorist network continues to focus on U.S. attack targets vulnerable to massive economic losses, casualties and political “turmoil,” the assessment said.

On Dec. 3, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction remains “the highest priority at the federal level.” Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons. “The other side is going to continue to learn more about doing things,” he said.

The report, marked “For Official Use Only,” does not specify its audience, but the assessments typically go to law enforcement, intelligence officials and the private sector. When determining threats, intelligence officials consider loss of life, and economic and psychological consequences.

Intelligence officials also predict that in the next five years, terrorists will attempt a destructive biological attack. Officials are concerned about the possibility of thousands of U.S. citizens being infected, overwhelming regional health care systems.

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1 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:25:30pm

More reassuring news.
arg.

2 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:25:45pm

Wait - I thought that once The One took office there would be instant world peace? We've been dupped!

3 stevieray  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:25:47pm

But... but... this can't be true!

We elected Obama! The world loves us again!

4 ratherdashing  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:26:02pm

ssdd

5 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:26:08pm
6 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:26:13pm

At least I live outside of Washington DC. They wouldn't ever hit there.

7 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:26:16pm

re: #3 stevieray

What a smart man you are! (I hope you are a man)

8 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:26:40pm

re: #3 stevieray

But... but... this can't be true!

We elected Obama! The world loves us again!

CHANGE!

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:26:50pm

The cardinal question: What does Barack Obama intend to do to prevent these risks from becoming realities?

10 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:27:05pm

If we adhere to our Constitution and honor the men and women who defend our great Republic, we will defeat this terrorist scourge.

We are stronger than them. But freedom is not free.

11 stevieray  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:27:09pm

re: #7 ArmyWife

GMTA!

12 jcm  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:27:15pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

The cardinal question: What does Barack Obama intend to do to prevent these risks from becoming realities?

Talk nice to them.

13 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:27:33pm
The al-Qaeda terrorist network continues to focus on U.S. attack targets vulnerable to massive economic losses, casualties and political "turmoil," the assessment said.

I could've told them that. Why did the AP need a government report to come to this startling revelation?

14 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:27:34pm
15 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:27:46pm

Don't forget the leftists...

Officials also predict that domestic terrorists in the forms of radical animal rights and environmental extremists will become more adept with explosives and increase their use of arson attacks.
16 gwillie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:27:46pm

I went to todays anti-Israel protest this is a interview I got from a guy who is obsessed with the Iraqi sanctions. I get in on the conversion too.

17 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:28:10pm

re: #10 experiencedtraveller

If we adhere to our Constitution and honor the men and women who defend our great Republic, we will defeat this terrorist scourge.

We are stronger than them. But freedom is not free.

When you make that much sense you are bound to piss off the moonbats.

18 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:28:16pm

I am frankly SHOCKED that the word "Islamic" appears in this at all.

19 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:28:47pm

Bumpy Road ahead. Seatbelt use is mandatory.

20 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:28:52pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

The cardinal question: What does Barack Obama intend to do to prevent these risks from becoming realities?

He says mass distribution of unicorns will have to begin sooner than expected.

21 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:28:55pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Give great speeches with big, huge columns. He doesn't want to do something rash like send a strongly worded letter least he be seen as a "warmonger", you know.

22 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:29:41pm

re: #20 gclaghorn

He says mass distribution of unicorns will have to begin sooner than expected.

LOL!

23 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:29:50pm
24 stevieray  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:30:09pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

The cardinal question: What does Barack Obama intend to do to prevent these risks from becoming realities?

Surrender?

25 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:31:17pm

re: #21 ArmyWife

Give great speeches with big, huge columns. He doesn't want to do something rash like send a strongly worded letter least he be seen as a "warmonger", you know.

I have taken to using big, huge columns when asking my wife for big favors. Thus far it has not worked as well for me as it did for The Messiah.

26 moogie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:31:52pm

Jeeze -- this is EXACTLY the reason I did NOT vote for Obama!

27 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:32:19pm

re: #25 freedombilly

I have taken to using big, huge columns when asking my wife for big favors. Thus far it has not worked as well for me as it did for The Messiah.

I have good news: your wife is smarter than the average Democratic voter.

28 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:32:28pm

Aw, damn.

Mortar hit killed one of our best surgeons in Iraq:

updated 12:07 a.m. ET, Sat., Dec. 27, 2008

TRENTON, N.J. - A prominent New Jersey doctor has been killed in Iraq, the Defense Department said Friday.

Maj. John P. Pryor was a well-known trauma surgeon at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. According to the Pentagon, Pryor died Christmas Day when a mortar round hit near his living quarters.

Pryor's colleagues say they're devastated by the loss of the New York City native. Pryor, who was 42, was a married father of three.

He wrote of his experiences as a surgeon confronting violence in Iraq and inner-city Philadelphia in articles published in The Philadelphia Inquirer and The Washington Post.

29 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:32:29pm

re: #25 freedombilly

Perhaps your "big, huge" is not the same as her "big, huge"? ;)

30 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:32:53pm

I think a major well planned attack in unlikely. Al Qaeda has been seriously weakened. We might see a smaller scale less elaborate attack like the 7/7 or Madrid bombing. The training camps in Pakistan are still operating but I just don't think Al Qaeda has the resources for another big attack.
Also, if al Qaeda were to attack there's just no chance we'd let them stay in Pakistan. They'd have to all make it to Somalia. There aren't many places left for them to go.

31 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:33:23pm

re: #23 Iron Fist

They talk about all the bad immigrants and organizations, but I don't see the "M" word.

32 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:33:30pm

re: #29 ArmyWife

Perhaps your "big, huge" is not the same as her "big, huge"? ;)

I have never laughed harder while being so shot down. Take a bow!

33 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:33:39pm

re: #16 gwillie

Good work. The moonbat mind at work.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:33:46pm

re: #24 stevieray

Surrender?

Hopefully not. That said, I share the group's dim assessment of Obama's probable reactions to the threats we face. I hope he awakens from his delusions, though, and that the price of his awakening is not too high for America.

35 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:02pm

re: #28 SteveC

My prayers that his family finds comfort.

36 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:07pm

re: #21 ArmyWife

He doesn't want to do something rash like send a strongly worded letter least he be seen as a "warmonger", you know.

Aide: "Let me read this back to you, Mr. President. `Dear Bad Guy - ' "

Obama: "You think that's a little much?"

37 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:19pm

re: #27 gclaghorn

I have good news: your wife is smarter than the average Democratic voter.

And she's a teacher who didn't vote for The Messiah. Don't tell the union!

38 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:34:45pm

re: #28 SteveC

Oh that's horrible. May his memory be a blessing. Just awful.

39 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:35:05pm

Never fear, Janet Napolitano will keep us safe.

/right?

40 pat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:35:13pm

Chertoff has proven himself a mediocre presence. He has no originality, would stand on form versus substance, and places ideology over fact. Hillary was right. He is more than a disappointment, he has allowed the thinking of the terrorists to dictate his offices. He hired the most inept bureaucrats in America when presented with the opportunity to start anew. He should leave in disgrace.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:35:18pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I also think that understanding that we will f**k them and their families up plays into the mix as well.

(you can substitute 'hope' for 'think' in the above sentence.)

42 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:35:30pm

re: #29 ArmyWife

Perhaps your "big, huge" is not the same as her "big, huge"? ;)

Did she just go there?!?! :0

... I think she went there...

43 yochanan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:36:39pm

re: #20 gclaghorn

He says mass distribution of unicorns will have to begin sooner than expected.

[Link: www.democraticstuff.com...]

44 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:36:41pm

I posted this a couple of days ago. It allows you to enter in your address and/or zip code, select a bomb fromthe pulldown, and hit enter.
Google Maps Mashup Combines Your Address,
Nuclear Blast
[Link: blog.wired.com...]

Ground Zero Downloads
[Link: www.carloslabs.com...]

45 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:36:44pm

re: #42 SteveC

She went there, got the t-shirt and bought real estate.

46 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:36:56pm

re: #37 freedombilly

And she's a teacher who didn't vote for The Messiah. Don't tell the union!

Good on her!

47 USBeast  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:37:07pm

"We had a kettle. We let it leak.
Our not repairing it made it worse.
We haven't had any tea for a week.
The bottom is out of our universe."
Rudyard Kipling.

We keep expecting that, by responding to madness with sanity, madness will respond in kind. This is madness.

The only thing that would surprise me from here on out would be the West getting up on its hind legs and saying: "The hell with this!"

48 albusteve  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:38:44pm

the solution to a relatively peaceful next five years is very simple...but does the US have the wherewithall to protect ourselves?...what a bummer when we get socked and it was all so preventable...I'm losing faith...there are Americans that want us hit...who will prevail?

49 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:39:20pm

re: #45 WriterMom

She went there, got the t-shirt and bought real estate.

But did she try the food?

50 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:39:55pm
51 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:39:58pm

This is a head in the sand report, depressing as it is. The two main axis of terror remain the same, Iran and Saudi Arabia, and they hit the right spots with Africa and the middle east, but they are ignoring the third theatre, the sub continent of Asia.

52 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:40:00pm

re: #16 gwillie

Next time someone tells you that the Israelis are starving the Palestinians you should remind them that the southern border to Gaza is controlled by Egypt.
Egypt in tight spot enforcing blockade of Gaza

Basically, Egypt is happy to keep the border sealed because they'd rather Israel pay for the humanitarian aid and Egypt fears the Muslim Brotherhood will team up with Hamas and increase terrorism in Egypt.

53 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:40:13pm

re: #49 gclaghorn


Yikes! You know, the door was WIDE open. I just walked on through.

54 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:40:29pm

Homeland Security os schizophrenic. A small number of serious professionals and a vast army of the unemployable.

55 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:40:50pm

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons

Who else does he think wants to learn how to make dirty bombs,, the Cub Scouts? The Mormon Tabernacle Choir? The Boston Red Sox !?!?!?!?

56 sneezey  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:40:55pm

Why did I not see the word Islam mentioned?

57 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:41:29pm

re: #47 USBeast

"We had a kettle. We let it leak.
Our not repairing it made it worse.
We haven't had any tea for a week.
The bottom is out of our universe."
Rudyard Kipling.

We keep expecting that, by responding to madness with sanity, madness will respond in kind. This is madness.

The only thing that would surprise me from here on out would be the West getting up on its hind legs and saying: "The hell with this!"

That might happen, but it would take a paradigm shift to make it happen. And I fear that such a shift would come at a dreadful cost.

58 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:41:34pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Buddhist monks.

59 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:42:07pm

G-d forbid we ever mention the enemy by name.

60 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:42:43pm

re: #58 ArmyWife

Buddhist monks.

Those Aborigines in Australia!

61 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:42:44pm

re: #51 Thanos

This is a CYA report.
(cover your ass)

62 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:42:57pm

re: #59 WhiteRasta

G-d forbid we ever mention the enemy by name.

Not to get too technical but as of the first Tuesday in November we don't have any enemies.

63 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:10pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons

Who else does he think wants to learn how to make dirty bombs,, the Cub Scouts? The Mormon Tabernacle Choir? The Boston Red Sox !?!?!?!?

Well, if they lose badly enough, the Red Sox can be said to be producing a dirty bomb. :)

64 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:12pm

re: #56 sneezey

There was one mention of 'Islamic', but not Islam, or Muslim.

65 USBeast  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:15pm

re: #56 sneezey

Why did I not see the word Islam mentioned?

Shhh. Do you want to be branded an Islamophobe?

66 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:22pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons

Who else does he think wants to learn how to make dirty bombs,, the Cub Scouts? The Mormon Tabernacle Choir? The Boston Red Sox !?!?!?!?

Sox will do anything to put those Yankees in their place!

67 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:27pm

From the last thread.
Israel originally got military help from Czechoslovakia. That was as the Soviets were taking over. Then the French supplied weapons. Then the Americans.

68 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:28pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons

Who else does he think wants to learn how to make dirty bombs,, the Cub Scouts? The Mormon Tabernacle Choir? The Boston Red Sox !?!?!?!?

The Newport Beach Choral Society.

69 yochanan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:29pm

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

it is a start
my son is currently in the I.D.F. my G-D protect him and guide his aim.

70 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:41pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Those fucking Girl Guides.

71 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:43:49pm
72 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:01pm

re: #62 freedombilly

Ah yes. silly me.

73 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:02pm

re: #56 sneezey

Why did I not see the word Islam mentioned?

RACIST!

74 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:15pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons

Who else does he think wants to learn how to make dirty bombs,, the Cub Scouts? The Mormon Tabernacle Choir? The Boston Red Sox !?!?!?!?

Door-to-door Girl Scout cookie sellers.

75 occasional reader  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:27pm

Save us, Obamessiah! Make the bad men stop! Tell them about Hope and Change!

76 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:50pm

re: #56 sneezey

Why did I not see the word Islam mentioned?

Maybe you missed it when you read the rest of the story.

77 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:44:55pm

re: #69 yochanan

May G-d Bless him and keep him safe.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:03pm

re: #71 ploome hineni

Islam must defend reform itself

fixed.

79 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:14pm

re: #75 occasional reader

YOU! Did those nasty ferigners steal your capital letters again?

80 pat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:21pm

re: #71 ploome hineni

islam must defend itself

Against all accusations that it is not peaceful. The very thought throws me in rage!

81 gwillie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:33pm

re: #69 yochanan

re: #77 WhiteRasta

Amen.

82 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:34pm

re: #74 gclaghorn

Door-to-door Girl Scout cookie sellers.

Dirty bomb? *gulp* I guess I will be buying some cookies this year...

83 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:44pm

re: #61 notutopia

This is a CYA report.
(cover your ass)

Whose ass are they covering by ignoring the fact that most large terror plots foiled and unfoiled in recent history originated in Pakistan?

84 doppelganglander  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:45:53pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons

Who else does he think wants to learn how to make dirty bombs,, the Cub Scouts? The Mormon Tabernacle Choir? The Boston Red Sox !?!?!?!?

That would make a very interesting merit badge.

85 Silhouette  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:46:01pm

re: #79 WriterMom

Capital punishment.

YOU! Did those nasty ferigners steal your capital letters again?

86 SteveC  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:46:23pm

re: #75 occasional reader

Save us, Obamessiah! Make the bad men stop! Tell them about Hope and Change!

He's not coming, is he? Momma, I'm scared!

87 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:46:51pm

re: #74 gclaghorn

Door-to-door Girl Scout cookie sellers.

Will the shrapnel be shards of Thin Mints? That sounds rather enjoyable.

88 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:46:52pm

re: #86 SteveC

He's not coming, is he? Momma, I'm scared!

*curls up into the fetal position, begins sucking thumb*

89 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:46:59pm

re: #84 doppelganglander

Bomb Making
Kidnapping
Car Swarming
"Inspecting"
Gathering 'Round Badge

HAHAHAHHAHHA just to name a few.

90 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:03pm

re: #69 yochanan

I will keep him in my prayers, as well as you. My heart is with you right now, the feeling of a loved one in a combat situation is hard to explain to someone who hasn't experienced it - the only words I can come up with is a mix of incredible fear and pride, but that doesn't really do it justice.

91 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:28pm

re: #83 Thanos

They don't want to offend muslims by accusing them of being terrorists.

92 Silhouette  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:38pm

On behalf of the report, people besides terrorists who might try to learn how to build such weapons: hostile nation-states, whose actions, if one defines terrorists as non-state actors, would be violent, would be evil, but may not be labeled terrorist depending on your point of view.

93 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:44pm
94 USBeast  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:50pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

That might happen, but it would take a paradigm shift to make it happen. And I fear that such a shift would come at a dreadful cost.

Yes, a very dreadful cost, the kind of cost one runs up when one ignores the facts and bets on "Beautiful Truth".

95 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:47:57pm

re: #77 WhiteRasta

amen!

96 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:48:20pm

re: #91 WhiteRasta

They don't want to offend muslims terrorists by accusing them of being terrorists Muslims.


wha ?!?!?!?!

97 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:48:35pm

re: #86 SteveC

Oh he will be there, but that in itself is something to fear.

98 pat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:48:59pm

Muslims can scrap together an IED, a rocket, even a biological weapon. All done with science they have not understood or contributed to. But they cannot create a candy bar on their own. Parasites.

99 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:49:21pm

re: #98 pat

Or grow a flower when all the tools were handed to them.

100 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:49:28pm

re: #91 WhiteRasta

They don't want to offend Muslims by suggesting that something within Islam might-just might-be a root cause of terror.

101 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:49:41pm

re: #95 WriterMom

Good evening Writer Mom. I hope you and your family are keeping well.

102 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:49:54pm

Anyone else notice this was from "sign on San Diego"?
That's just wierd. IMHO...

103 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:50:10pm
104 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:50:13pm

re: #69 yochanan

THE WORLD owes your son and your entire family a debt that we could never repay. May God be with you.

105 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:50:17pm

re: #101 WhiteRasta

Hi, we're good. A little out-latke-fied...but good.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:50:25pm

re: #94 USBeast

Yes, a very dreadful cost, the kind of cost one runs up when one ignores the facts and bets on "Beautiful Truth".

Agreed. Facing unpleasant facts is a necessity for wisdom and freedom. It is a lesson I try to live by, though I often have trouble doing so.

107 doppelganglander  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:50:54pm

re: #89 WriterMom

Bomb Making
Kidnapping
Car Swarming
"Inspecting"
Gathering 'Round Badge

HAHAHAHHAHHA just to name a few.

Pretty good. You should take a stab at the Boy Scout oath.

108 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:51:13pm
109 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:51:51pm

re: #105 WriterMom

Hi, we're good. A little out-latke-fied...but good.

I fucked-up latkes so badly last year that I didn't even try this year.

110 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:52:52pm

This is predictable...

CAIR Condemns Israeli 'Massacre' in Gaza


"Despite the public 'green light' given to the Israeli military by theBush administration, American Muslims join our fellow citizens who respectinternational law and the sanctity of human life in repudiating this massacrecarried out using U.S. taxpayer-funded weapons.

...
"We therefore call on President-elect Obama to demonstrate his commitmentto change our nation's current one-sided Mideast policy by speaking out now infavor of peace and justice for all parties to this decades-long conflict.

111 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:53:19pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

Shocking.

112 occasional reader  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:53:34pm

re: #79 WriterMom

YOU! Did those nasty ferigners steal your capital letters again?

Using iPhone ... No time to capitalize...

113 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:53:53pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons

Who else does he think wants to learn how to make dirty bombs,, the Cub Scouts? The Mormon Tabernacle Choir? The Boston Red Sox !?!?!?!?

Chertoff is an Attorney - we need a warrior in this position.

114 freedombilly  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:54:11pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

Sad.

115 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:54:38pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

This is predictable...

CAIR Condemns Israeli 'Massacre' in Gaza

How surprising. Not.

116 traderjoe9  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:54:41pm

re: #69 yochanan

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

it is a start
my son is currently in the I.D.F. my G-D protect him and guide his aim.

That's great! I hope the best for him.

I have two cousins in the IDF - one in the Golani. He's on the next bus to Gaza if they end up doing the ground operation.

117 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:54:56pm

re: #83 Thanos
Agree on that they are ignoring, so far.

The cover thy arse part is to make sure that they have informed the general citizenry here that they need to prepare themselves for probable
bio, chemical, or dirty bombings from within the confines of the USA.

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons. �The other side is going to continue to learn more about doing things,� he said.

118 Semi Cartman  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:55:02pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

That might happen, but it would take a paradigm shift to make it happen. And I fear that such a shift would come at a dreadful cost.

But an unavoidable cost. Pay dreadfully today, triple the price later.

119 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:55:07pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

This is predictable...

CAIR Condemns Israeli 'Massacre' in Gaza

Dark_Falcon to CAIR: Drop Dead.

120 jaunte  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:55:40pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

Nothing says 'cut n pasted boilerplate language' like wordsrunningtogether in an official release.

"We also call on world leaders to take direct action to end Israel'scounterproductive and wildly disproportionate attacks and to end thehumanitarian siege of Gaza, which led to the recent breakdown of theceasefire."

121 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:56:14pm
122 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:56:34pm

re: #48 albusteve

the solution to a relatively peaceful next five years is very simple...but does the US have the wherewithall to protect ourselves?...what a bummer when we get socked and it was all so preventable...I'm losing faith...there are Americans that want us hit...who will prevail?

"abs" -

WE WILL PREVAIL - After Getting Hit Again - Especially if LA, SF or Chicago is Hit the Next Time - ESPECIALLY CHICAGO!

-S-

123 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:56:55pm

re: #118 Semi Cartman

But an unavoidable cost. Pay dreadfully today, triple the price later.

I understand that the price may have to be paid, but I still mourn its cost. Illogical, but human.

124 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:57:04pm

re: #120 jaunte

Nothing says 'cut n pasted boilerplate language' like wordsrunningtogether in an official release.

Idon'tunderstand.

/

125 occasional reader  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:57:25pm

re: #105 WriterMom

Hi, we're good. A little out-latke-fied...but good.

You'd better ask yourself just one simple question, punk; "do I feel latke?"

126 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:57:52pm

re: #121 Iron Fist

Crabs in a bucket.

127 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:57:57pm

What will be your code?

128 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:57:59pm

re: #125 occasional reader

You'd better ask yourself just one simple question, punk; "do I feel latke?"

Was it five latkes, or was it six?

129 jaunte  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:57:59pm

re: #124 gclaghorn

Justaminorpoint.

130 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:05pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

American Muslims join our fellow citizens who respectinternational law and the sanctity of human life in repudiating this massacrecarried out using U.S. taxpayer-funded weapons.

Couple O Things

I do NOT respect an "international law' that doesn't condemn the attackers of Israel. I do NOT respect the sanctity of a human life when that life's sole purpose is the destruction of a sovereign nation. There is no "massacre". What there is is a retaliatory precision strike against indiscriminate bombings. Lastly, best money my taxes have been spent on in a long time

131 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:16pm

re: #129 jaunte

Justaminorpoint.

IthinkIgetitnow.

132 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:31pm

re: #125 occasional reader

You'd better ask yourself just one simple question, punk; "do I feel latke?"

LOL!

133 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:33pm
134 Silhouette  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:33pm

re: #120 jaunte

Nothing says 'cut n pasted boilerplate language' like wordsrunningtogether in an official release.

I wonder if we'd find the same typos in other press releases from them.

135 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:58:36pm

re: #113 Bobibutu

Chertoff is an Attorney - we need a warrior in this position.

"Bobbity" -

AND - You expect a Warrior under President 0? Think again.

-S-

136 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:59:36pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Mandy, you need my fool proof latke recipe:

Peel 4-5 Yukon Gold potatoes and put through Cuisinart. Put medium onion through, too. Mix in 3 eggs. Add salt and pepper to taste. Fry table spoon size amounts in hot oil. Drain on paper towel. Makes about 30 latkes.

Then, slop on generous amount of either apple sauce, sour cream or a sprinkle of sugar.

137 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 7:59:38pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

When are you Americans going to shut down those terrorists?

(Probably not for the next 4 years..)

138 jcm  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:00:22pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

Chertoff told reporters that more people, such as terrorists, will learn how to make dirty bombs, biological and chemical weapons

Who else does he think wants to learn how to make dirty bombs,, the Cub Scouts? The Mormon Tabernacle Choir? The Boston Red Sox !?!?!?!?

I know how, doesn't mean I want too, I know the basics of a full nuc, doesn't mean I want to.

Knowing and doing are different animals.
Only a few people both want to learn and use this types of things.

139 notutopia  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:00:52pm

Preparations for:
Biological and Chemical Weapons


* Anthrax
* Anthrax Treatment
* CBRN
* Cyanide
* Mustard
* Plague
* Ricin
* Sarin
* Smallpox
* Soman
* Tabun
* Tularemia
* Viral Hemorrhagic Fever
[Link: www.nationalterroralert.com...]

140 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:00:54pm

re: #125 occasional reader

I've always gotten latke when I'm in the mood.

141 USBeast  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:01:25pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Facing unpleasant facts is a necessity for wisdom and freedom. It is a lesson I try to live by, though I often have trouble doing so.

Who doesn't? The main problem with the West is that it cannot conceive of a mind-set that reveres Dogma over Reason. In every attempt to make peace with Islam the West has tried Reason and Islam has stuck to Dogma and the West has ended up with the dirty end of the stick.

This must not be regarded as proof that Dogma is superior to Reason. It just means that Reason and Dogma cannot coexist. Once that fact has been established Reason has a decision to make. Dogma has already decided.

142 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:01:40pm

re: #136 WriterMom

Damn! That sounds fabulous.

I'm doing saltfish and ackee for breakfast, tomorrow.

143 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:02:18pm

re: #112 occasional reader

You're the last person on teh blog that needs me to underscore the importance of capitals. Period.

144 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:02:22pm

re: #136 WriterMom

Mandy, you need my fool proof latke recipe:

Peel 4-5 Yukon Gold potatoes and put through Cuisinart. Put medium onion through, too. Mix in 3 eggs. Add salt and pepper to taste. Fry table spoon size amounts in hot oil. Drain on paper towel. Makes about 30 latkes.

Then, slop on generous amount of either apple sauce, sour cream or a sprinkle of sugar.

I don't have that THANG. For some reason, I have a freaky objection to that THANG.

I'm into doing the slicing/dicing wif my hands.

145 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:03:11pm

re: #135 Dr. Shalit

"Bobbity" -

AND - You expect a Warrior under President 0? Think again.

-S-

Well - I said "need" and I sure don't expect it. But I'm willing to be surprised - as Zero gets his briefs.

146 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:03:27pm

I'm about done reading The Fist of God by Forsythe. Good stuff.

147 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:03:32pm
148 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:07pm

re: #144 MandyManners

Oh. No food processor? Not even a little mandolin slicey thing? Then I would say use a hand grater-to make it more like a paste, rather than pieces. It needs to be pretty fine to cook properly-not chunks.

149 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:13pm

OT: The media offensive to rehabilitate Dan Rather gathers steam...CBS newsman's $70m lawsuit likely to deal Bush legacy a new blow [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

150 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:49pm

re: #147 Iron Fist

I'm afraid you are 100% correct.

151 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:53pm

re: #146 MandyManners

I'm reading Ibn Warraq's Why I am not A muslim and "Henry Ford and the Jews".

152 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:04:54pm

re: #148 WriterMom

Oh. No food processor? Not even a little mandolin slicey thing? Then I would say use a hand grater-to make it more like a paste, rather than pieces. It needs to be pretty fine to cook properly-not chunks.

NOW YOU TELL ME.

153 davinvalkri  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:05:00pm

At least the report mentions "Al-Queda" by name...

154 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:06:19pm

re: #147 Iron Fist


I don't see how we can continue to share a planet with these nice folks in the long run.

Via an Islamic reformation.

155 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:06:56pm

re: #145 Bobibutu

Well - I said "need" and I sure don't expect it. But I'm willing to be surprised - as Zero gets his briefs.

"Bobbity" -

When he gets his paper briefs, he will be pooping in his cotton ones. Hillary won' t be. The question in her case is "rentability."

-S-

156 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:07:07pm

Watching the movie Failure to Launch...
Great movie..But it reminds me of the time i flew to Europe on a redeye and drank about 60 cups of coffee..at least 20 lattes..Knowing I was going to work at 7am. I'm sitting on the plane watching this movie laughing my butt off making a fool of myself..people are trying to sleep and i'm trying to not laugh.
I'll never be able to watch this movie again not thinking how I Keep half a plane awake at 3am..Stone Sober...

157 Luigi  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:07:13pm

PR stuff...

-Drudge never seems to quite 'get it' when it comes to Israel. He positions himself conservative on most political issues, especially recently, but he has a whiff of progressive sentiment where Israel is concerned, it seems to me.

-The timing of the Israeli operation is good, coming early Saturday morning when nobody reads the papers in America. The most potent force in the world is American public opinion, and Americans by and large will have only the most vague awareness of the situation until Monday. I see the world media is throwing the usual sh*t at Israel in a carefully coordinated but tediously predictable effort to sway American public opinion (CNN headline now: U.N. asked to condemn Israeli assault on Gaza), but it ain't going to do anything on a Saturday or a Sunday. It will just spin around and around like an idiotic clockwork.

-Kudos to Fox for this lead: "Israeli air strikes continue against Hamas positions in Gaza," Yes, yes. "Against Hamas positions". That is accurate. Not 'against Palestinians', but 'against Hamas positions'. That is accurate. That is journalistic.

-It is discouraging to see the complicity of most American major media. MSNBC now has this headline: Israeli bombs rain death on Gaza . Yeah, death on enemy combatants in uniform. And they have the most absurd photo imaginable of some guy crawling out of a doorway. Check it out: [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
As ever we are left to wonder, Why can't the media show up when rockets are raining down on innocent Israelis by the score? As ever, most American media are pretty much as bad as the Iranian press office or Pravda.

158 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:07:20pm

re: #71 ploome hineni

Hey Ploome - still waiting for the link on the last thread to support your comment.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

159 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:07:55pm

re: #149 MrPaulRevere

Is that washed up old hack not dead yet?

I'm looking forward to peeing on his grave.

I actually wouldn't do that, lest it dirty my urine.

160 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:02pm

re: #151 WriterMom

I'm reading Ibn Warraq's Why I am not A muslim and "Henry Ford and the Jews".

Oy. Such a list!

I'm helping my parents deal with my mother's chronic, wasting disease while trying to keep all kinds of other stuff up in the air. I'm busier than a one-legged woman in an ass-kicking contest!

161 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:09:13pm

re: #157 Luigi

Hey Luigi-long time no see.

162 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:10:05pm

re: #160 MandyManners

Wow. Wishing your mom a full recovery and don't let the balls fall!

(heh)

163 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:10:32pm

re: #149 MrPaulRevere

OT: The media offensive to rehabilitate Dan Rather gathers steam...CBS newsman's $70m lawsuit likely to deal Bush legacy a new blow [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

That is never OT here. It was Charles' signature victory; We must not allow it to be dropped down the memory hole.

164 Perplexed  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:01pm

After witnessing how Chertoff runs TSA, he has zero credibility with me. Both DHS and TSA are rogue organizations that answer to no one and abuse the power given to them.

165 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:03pm

Breaking: Israel hits Hamas TV offices...

166 Luigi  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:13pm

Hi, WriterMom. Thanks for noticing.

167 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:11:37pm

re: #166 Luigi

But of course...how have you been?

168 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:08pm

re: #165 WriterMom

Good stuff. Excellent.

169 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:28pm

re: #165 WriterMom

I hope Nahoul the Jew killing bee is ok.

170 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:47pm

re: #157 Luigi

Good post! I would not accuse Drudge of being anti-Israeli per se, but he frequently did soft ball interviews with Pat Buchanan on his radio show, perhaps he absorbed some of his thinking.

171 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:12:49pm

hrmmm.

I've now seen two versions of this "Israeli soldiers run away" photo.
One appeared to be daylight, and said it was teargas thrown by one of their soldiers, the other is this one...

172 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:13:02pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

I hope Nahoul the Jew killing bee is ok.

Hamas took him to an undisclosed hive!

173 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:13:03pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

That is never OT here. It was Charles' signature victory; We must not allow it to be dropped down the memory hole.

Dark -

Let's flood them at letters@observer.co.uk - The Guardian could use a BAD HAIR DAY every once in awhile, someone please send them the throb.

-S-

174 USBeast  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:13:06pm

re: #151 WriterMom

I'm reading Ibn Warraq's Why I am not A muslim and "Henry Ford and the Jews".

I read Warraq's book two years ago. It is a hard, but worthwhile slog.

175 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:13:33pm

Al Jazeerah claiming a mosque was hit. LOL.

176 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:13:46pm

re: #155 Dr. Shalit

"Bobbity" -

When he gets his paper briefs, he will be pooping in his cotton ones. Hillary won' t be. The question in her case is "rentability."

-S-

I do think he already is.

Interesting times ahead.

177 Silhouette  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:13:56pm

re: #165 WriterMom

Breaking: Israel hits Hamas TV offices...

Breaking out the pom-poms.

Go, Team, Go!

178 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:14:30pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Nahoul and his murderous barbarian Jihadi overlords are shitting in their pants, quite underground right now.

179 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:15:14pm
driven by instability in the Middle East and Africa


I know how to make the Middle East, at least, stable, but I'd get banned for suggesting it.

180 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:15:58pm

re: #175 WriterMom

Al Jazeerah claiming a mosque was hit. LOL.

According to Hamas, EVERY building in the Gaza strip is either a mosque, hospital or school!

181 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:16:05pm

re: #175 WriterMom

Al Jazeerah claiming a mosque was hit. LOL.

You mean an armory with a minaret?

182 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:16:37pm

re: #175 WriterMom

That's as predictable as the sun rise.

183 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:17:08pm

re: #162 WriterMom

Wow. Wishing your mom a full recovery and don't let the balls fall!

(heh)

LOL! The balls fall where they will.

Mom will never recover--COPD is the end.

184 Silhouette  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:17:16pm

re: #180 sattv4u2

According to Hamas, EVERY building in the Gaza strip is either a mosque, hospital or school!

Choke full o' weddings and mentally handicapped persons.

185 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:17:48pm

re: #184 Silhouette

Choke full o' weddings and mentally handicapped persons.

not to mention puppies

186 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:17:55pm

Palestinian Authority ready to take over Gaza if Hamas ousted.

187 Bubblehead II  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:14pm

This report has been out for at least 2 days. Why is it now news?

- Ding for Charles

188 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:16pm

re: #164 Perplexed

After witnessing how Chertoff runs TSA, he has zero credibility with me. Both DHS and TSA are rogue organizations that answer to no one and abuse the power given to them.

You get a Captain Obvious up-ding for that - well said.

189 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:25pm

re: #186 WriterMom

Palestinian Authority ready to take over Gaza if Hamas ousted.

Out with the Bad ,, In with the Bad

190 Perplexed  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:29pm

re: #185 sattv4u2

They killed the puppies for being un islamic.

191 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:34pm

The television station that gave us Farfour is completely destroyed.

[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]

192 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:39pm

re: #183 MandyManners

Sorry to hear that Mandy-COPD is horrendous.

193 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:18:57pm

re: #186 WriterMom

Abbas is undoubtedly loving every minute of this.

194 WriterMom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:19:22pm

re: #191 Thanos

Thanos-the targets send VERY clear messages.

195 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:19:59pm

re: #175 WriterMom

Israel claims the same thing;

Hiding in a mosque ain't gonna save your ass.

196 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:20:28pm

Hi y'all - hope everyone is ok tonight. I haven't read all of the comments, but I sincerely doubt that the intelligence estimation takes into account how much more inviting a target the US and it's allies will be with a President Obama.
Unless, of course, he sucks it up and retailiates with enormous force for any attack on the US or its allies like Israel.
And while I'm hoping he does do that, I'm sure as hell not holding my breath on it.
All in all, though, I thought it was a reasonable estimate given the facts in the ME and especially in Africa now. And I think Africa is the real potential
HOT SPOT in the next 5 years.

197 PoorMan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:20:30pm

re: #156 HoosierHoops

Pretty much the Jewish-American experience...
From latkes to lattes in four generations!

198 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:20:38pm

re: #191 Thanos

The television station that gave us Farfour is completely destroyed.

[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]

Cool. And I lament any loss of life.

199 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:20:39pm

re: #171 Thanos

Weird. Here's the daylight version...
Yahoo pic


Israeli soldiers take cover after a tear gas canister was mistakenly thrown at them by a comrade during scuffles with Palestinian stone-throwers at Qalandiya checkpoint near the West Bank city of Ramallah December 27,

Maybe the Israelis are clumsy with their grenades.

200 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:21:05pm

re: #183 MandyManners


Takes awhile. Use the time.

201 Silhouette  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:21:10pm

I'm thinking that "Israel hits Hamas offices" and "Mosques hit" are the same story.

202 David Simon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:22:19pm

re: #16 gwillie

I'm sitting here gape-mouthed at the bit about Saddam's palaces. I'm trying to picture that man saying, "The car company execs aren't to blame. Their salaries and perks don't amount to a hill of beans in the overall scheme of things."

Liberalism truly is a mental disease.

203 Luigi  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:22pm

I'm good, WM. I work at it. I'm my own hobby.

I noticed earlier the BBC was especially objectionable in their coverage. I can't help remembering how the BBC's only Gaza reporter was kidnapped, held and savagely terrorized for some long weeks before being allowed to crawl home, pale and shaking, through Israel so he could tell the story of Palestinian suffering. Still, the BBC invests in the humanity of Hamas over the Jewish state every single time. And, they still dutifully report what Hamas tells them.

Look at the potential for mischief in these sidebar topics the BBC is running now:

-Israel's mixed motives for strikes
-Eyewitness: Chaos in Gaza
-Voices: Reaction to Israeli raids
-In pictures: Gaza under attack
-UK voices concern over Gaza
-In quotes: World reaction
-Your views on Israeli strikes

204 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:23pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ploome - still waiting ...

205 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:25pm

re: #192 WriterMom

Sorry to hear that Mandy-COPD is horrendous.


Oh,yes it is.

206 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:23:32pm

re: #196 realwest

Good evening, West. Nice to see you .

207 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:24:35pm

re: #196 realwest

Hi y'all - hope everyone is ok tonight. I haven't read all of the comments, but I sincerely doubt that the intelligence estimation takes into account how much more inviting a target the US and it's allies will be with a President Obama.
Unless, of course, he sucks it up and retailiates with enormous force for any attack on the US or its allies like Israel.
And while I'm hoping he does do that, I'm sure as hell not holding my breath on it.
All in all, though, I thought it was a reasonable estimate given the facts in the ME and especially in Africa now. And I think Africa is the real potential
HOT SPOT in the next 5 years.

Evening, real!

208 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:25:08pm

re: #200 swamprat

Takes awhile. Use the time.


The time is a blessing.

Oh, fuck. I'm gonna' cry. Shut up.

209 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:25:19pm

re: #203 Luigi

Anyone who accuses the BBC of being biased is sadly mistaken.

They are not biased. They are firmly on the side of the enemy.

210 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:25:22pm

re: #191 Thanos

The television station that gave us Farfour is completely destroyed.

[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]

Good riddance. May "The Young Pioneers" never blacken the airwaves again!

211 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:25:33pm

Firing from civilian areas...
Yahoo pic

212 Perplexed  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:25:37pm

re: #208 MandyManners

Take care Mandy.

213 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:26:02pm

re: #206 WhiteRasta
Evening Rasta! Good to see you too - how've you been (other than that flare up last night, I mean)?

214 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:26:26pm

re: #200 swamprat

:-)

215 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:26:54pm

re: #213 realwest

Hell, West we were having a lively discussion.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:26:55pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

I hope Nahoul the Jew killing bee is ok.

I have never felt the same about him as I did Farfour--not the same personality.

Of course, I'm the one who, when I read that he was dead, went through the whole first paragraph before I realized that the man in the mouse suit had not been whacked by, I assumed, Fatah.

I miss Farfour. Nothing has ever matched that amazing clip with the old grandfather telling the giant mouse about the family home in Tel Aviv.

217 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:26:56pm

re: #212 Perplexed

Take care Mandy.

You, too.

218 USBeast  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:27:16pm

re: #183 MandyManners

LOL! The balls fall where they will.

Mom will never recover--COPD is the end.

Dear Mandy, there is no comfort I can offer here. All I can say is that I lost my father and my mother is not far behind. You are not without friends and I'm sure I speak for all...whatever we can do...

219 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:27:24pm

May I suggest a 5 year plan to deal with terrorists to go along with the 5 year Threat Assessment?
All terrorists should be terminated with extreme prejudice.
No exceptions.
Then...Peace.

220 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:27:32pm

re: #207 gclaghorn
Evening gclaghorn! How are you doing tonight?

221 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:27:49pm

re: #213 realwest

We have agreed to meet up in Jamaica and drink some beer.

222 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:28:10pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

Weird. Here's the daylight version...
Yahoo pic


Maybe the Israelis are clumsy with their grenades.

Thanks, just got back from looking for it.

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

223 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:28:39pm

re: #220 realwest

Evening gclaghorn! How are you doing tonight?

Just fine, thank you!

224 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:28:48pm

re: #215 WhiteRasta
You WERE having a lively discussion? Is you implying that I interrupted that mon?!
:)

225 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:28:50pm

re: #120 jaunte

Nothing says 'cut n pasted boilerplate language' like wordsrunningtogether in an official release.

DidtheZioniststealCAIR'sspacebar?

226 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:29:03pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Firing from civilian areas...
Yahoo pic

Scum. I pray that they repent of their deeds, for if they do not, they shall surely burn in Hell.

227 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:29:43pm

re: #208 MandyManners

I regret that I never repaid my my mother for her Christmas gift, in kind;

underwear


Lost opportunites!


Gee, thanks mom
wherever you are

228 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:29:43pm
229 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:30:02pm

re: #218 USBeast

Dear Mandy, there is no comfort I can offer here. All I can say is that I lost my father and my mother is not far behind. You are not without friends and I'm sure I speak for all...whatever we can do...

Oh, you sweetie! Thank you.

230 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:30:27pm

re: #224 realwest

I'd never imply such a thing, my friend.

231 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:30:33pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

Out with the Bad ,, In with the Bad

"Satt4" -

"...Garbage In - Garbage Out?..."

-S-

232 Wendya  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:30:36pm
But those threats are also the most unlikely because it is so difficult for al-Qaeda and similar groups to acquire the materials needed to carry out such plots, according to the internal Homeland Security Threat Assessment for the years 2008-13.

I'm sure they also thought it was completely unlikely that any group could simultaneously hijack 4 aircraft and use them as missiles either.

233 Perplexed  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:30:44pm

re: #217 MandyManners

You've got your hands full. My mother-in-law died earlier this year from respiratory issues and it was difficult watching a formerly healthy woman decline. G_d give you the strength during this crisis.

234 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:30:44pm

re: #225 Neo Con since 9-11

DidtheZioniststealCAIR'sspacebar?

Whostoledaspacebar?

235 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:31:37pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout
I could be wrong Killgore, but I believe that's the FIRST and ONLY photo I've seen of a rocket being fired from Gaza into Israel.
And its an AP photo at that!

236 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:31:40pm

re: #222 Thanos


Both are in daylight
That is one BRIGHT grenade!
They had to adjust the picture.

237 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:31:52pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Still waiting Ploome ... Link please.

238 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:32:07pm

They are two different photos, two different periods of day, same location. Just a coincidence, maybe this is the closest journos can get, and I"m wondering if that's really "friendly grenade fire"...

239 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:32:10pm

re: #227 swamprat

I regret that I never repaid my my mother for her Christmas gift, in kind;

underwear


Lost opportunites!


Gee, thanks mom
wherever you are

Get your butt down to the nearest Domestic Violence shelter or the nearest Homeless Shelter.

BUY AND GIVE SOME STUFF.

240 Gray Skies  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:32:53pm

re: #14 Iron Fist

It appears that he may have lost his magical touch - despite his Presence, the island of Oahu went without power for over 12 hours.

241 traderjoe9  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:33:27pm

re: #240 Gray Skies

It appears that he may have lost his magical touch - despite his Presence, the island of Oahu went without power for over 12 hours.

In his $9,000,000 home, too.

242 scuba mom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:33:54pm

In New York, the U.N. Security Council called a rare weekend meeting for 10 p.m. EST Saturday to discuss the violence.

"This collective punishment is inhumane, immoral and should be stopped immediately," Palestinian U.N. observer Riyad Mansour said as he headed into the session.

now that's funny

243 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:33:54pm

re: #233 Perplexed

You've got your hands full. My mother-in-law died earlier this year from respiratory issues and it was difficult watching a formerly healthy woman decline. G_d give you the strength during this crisis.


Oh, thank you. I do appreciate your words.

244 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:07pm

re: #240 Gray Skies

It appears that he may have lost his magical touch - despite his Presence, the island of Oahu went without power for over 12 hours.

None was needed.

The LIGHT was visiting!

245 Luigi  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:07pm

re: #228 Iron Fist

I think he'll be sorely tested over the next six months to a year. It isn't just the Mohammedan terrorists and Iran (but I repeat myself). Russia is looking less friendly by the day.

The world is not big enough for Obama and Putin. I've been worried about this. Obama is used to getting what he wants, and so is Putin. I fear there is huge danger just around the corner.

246 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:08pm

re: #240 Gray Skies

It appears that he may have lost his magical touch - despite his Presence, the island of Oahu went without power for over 12 hours.

Obama = Dim Bulb

247 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:10pm

re: #240 Gray Skies

It appears that he may have lost his magical touch - despite his Presence, the island of Oahu went without power for over 12 hours.

A vision of things to come?

*shudder*

248 Perplexed  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:18pm

re: #240 Gray Skies

It appears that he may have lost his magical touch - despite his Presence, the island of Oahu went without power for over 12 hours.

A taste of things to come for the rest of us when the ONE shuts down coal fired power plants through his mis-guided administration.

249 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:25pm

re: #228 Iron Fist I'd bet he isn't going to get 8 months, much less 8 years. The only brake on terrorist activities is the dramatic drop in the cost of oil, which of course means less income for the Banks of Terrorism Saudi Arabia and Iran.

250 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:34:36pm
251 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:35:02pm

re: #242 scuba mom

In New York, the U.N. Security Council called a rare weekend meeting for 10 p.m. EST Saturday to discuss the violence.

"This collective punishment is inhumane, immoral and should be stopped immediately," Palestinian U.N. observer Riyad Mansour said as he headed into the session.

now that's funny

was he talking about Gaza , or the UN meeting he was going too?

252 Wilderstad  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:35:18pm

re: #191 Thanos

Alright! Hit it again just to make absolutely sure.

253 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:35:47pm

re: #250 Iron Fist

You know, I really thought the Secret service should have whacked the shoe-throwing dude. They didn't know what he'd thrown at Bush. It could have been a grenade instead of a shoe. They should hqave made sure he couldn't have thrown a second item before they determined what he actually had thrown.

Yes, we were lucky it wasn't a Reid shoe.

254 traderjoe9  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:35:56pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

LOL!

255 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:36:03pm

re: #234 gclaghorn

Their copy editor is currently being held (shhh) in a basement room at the Denver Airport.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

256 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:36:23pm

re: #239 MandyManners

OK


skin specialist came in;
"when did she get those tattoos?"
"2 years ago"
"You don't mind if I tell others..."

she was in her 80's

257 yochanan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:36:35pm

just got off the phone talking to my son in israel, seems he will be on guard duty at his base as he hasn't finished his advanced training, may G-D protect him and his comrades under arms were ever they are fight islmo fascism.

same war different fronts

258 Formercorpsman  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:36:53pm

Samah..

259 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:36:56pm

re: #250 Iron Fist

They didn't know what he'd thrown at Bush. It could have been a grenade instead of a shoe.

There was an incident when some guy threw a grenade at Bush. Turned out to be a dud but still. Most other men would have spent the last 6 years in "an undisclosed location."

260 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:37:12pm
261 Macker  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:37:45pm

re: #260 Iron Fist

BOOO!

262 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:37:50pm

re: #250 Iron Fist

You know, I really thought the Secret service should have whacked the shoe-throwing dude. They didn't know what he'd thrown at Bush. It could have been a grenade instead of a shoe. They should hqave made sure he couldn't have thrown a second item before they determined what he actually had thrown.

If they had done that, the MSM would have gone crazy and the front page stories would be about the "brave reporter's murder at the hands of Bush's thugs" for a week. It would be used to blacken America's image.

263 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:38:33pm

re: #260 Iron Fist

Reid-boks?

(OK, that was bad :-)

A-Reid-as?

264 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:38:43pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

With the NYTs leading the blackening effort.

265 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:39:17pm

re: #256 swamprat

OK


skin specialist came in;
"when did she get those tattoos?"
"2 years ago"
"You don't mind if I tell others..."

she was in her 80's

Why would that doctor ask that?

266 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:39:30pm

re: #250 Iron Fist

I'm thoroughly annoyed at the flippant attitude the dinosaur media have about that incident.

That brain dead fuckwit Letterman particularly.

267 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:39:37pm

re: #243 MandyManners
Hey Mandy - I've been sorta figuring out what's going on - was your mom recently diagnosed with COPD or has she had it for a while?
Either way it sucks, big time. And as someone said above, you do have friends here - please let us know if we can do anything - would you like me to ask goddess to add your mom to the LGF Prayer List?

268 yochanan  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:40:11pm

i should mention that the base is just outside of jinnin

269 Gray Skies  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:40:55pm

re: #183 MandyManners

We went through this with my father. Your mother is in my thoughts, as are you.

270 Promethea  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:40:59pm

re: #122 Dr. Shalit

"abs" -

WE WILL PREVAIL - After Getting Hit Again - Especially if LA, SF or Chicago is Hit the Next Time - ESPECIALLY CHICAGO!

-S-

I seriously doubt that Obama cares much about Chicago. It's not his birthplace, and he went there only so he could become "more black" en route to his goal of becoming senator, then President.

He doesn't even talk like a Chicagoan.

271 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:41:02pm
272 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:41:07pm

re: #265 MandyManners

If they looked fresh, he was probably curious. A 2 year old tat is much brighter than a 65 year old one. It probably made for a really great story, and good on her for getting them.

For the record, I am also here for you, Mandy. You've been through so much and still have that wit and humor. You are an inspiration.

273 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:41:08pm

re: #240 Gray Skies
Yeah, but I heard he walked over to Maui and arranged to get the power turned back on in Oahu!

274 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:41:18pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

This is predictable...

CAIR Condemns Israeli 'Massacre' in Gaza

F*** CAIR!

275 solomonpanting  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:41:23pm
The terrorism threat to the United States over the next five years will be driven by instability in the Middle East and Africa

Given the instability of these areas since forever, the threat will always be looming.

276 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:41:27pm

re: #265 MandyManners


Unusual for a woman in her 80's to have a recent tattoo, no old ones, just two recent ones. She was delighted.

277 scuba mom  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:41:54pm

sattv4u2

LOL both presumably

278 Promethea  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:42:01pm

#Re my 270 . . .

Nobody in Chicago says "Pawkeeston."

279 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:42:13pm

re: #272 ArmyWife

You got it.

280 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:42:16pm

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Image: dontlettheshadowtouchthem.jpg

[Link: obamaclock.org...]

Figure it out for yourself.

281 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:42:33pm

re: #264 ArmyWife

With the NYTs leading the blackening effort.

Indeed. Sadly the NYT has now darkened the building in which I live. There are now 2-3 copies downstairs each day with subscribers names labeled on them. I dislike the sight of the NYT now, and that people in my building read it saddens me.

282 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:43:01pm

Now this is funny!

The Obama Loyalty Test

283 Gray Skies  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:43:25pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

LOL!

284 Racer X  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:43:31pm

re: #270 Promethea

He doesn't even talk like a Chicagoan.

Doesn't sound like a Hawaiian either.

285 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:43:34pm

re: #257 yochanan" may G-D protect him and his comrades under arms were ever they are fight islmo fascism."
Amen.

286 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:43:46pm

re: #270 Promethea

He went there because without Chicago politics, he'd be as noteworthy as the McDonald's drive through attendant.

287 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:44:18pm

re: #273 realwest

Yeah, but I heard he walked over to Maui and arranged to get the power turned back on in Oahu!

No, actually, Hawaiian Electric set The Big "0" up with a generator...he stayed in his compound.
There are still some here without electrical power.
Islands are funny like that.

288 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:44:40pm

Hi, Lizards. Note that the first comment in the featured article has a sighting of the rare and oft discredited "root causes" parrot. The brightly colored creature squawked about the root causes of terrorism (without naming any) and then was gone. These are becoming more rare, and are ever elusive, but sightings are still possible to the vigilant.

289 Luigi  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:44:49pm

re: #274 Dustyvet

F*** CAIR!

Can CAIR ever think like Americans? If they're that far outside of mainstream American opinion that they prefer Hamas over America's ally why don't they just leave? What they hell are they doing in my country? Why did they come here?

290 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:45:18pm

re: #284 Racer X

Doesn't sound like a Hawaiian either.

He's not. He's a "Tourist".

291 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:45:19pm

re: #289 Luigi

They have offices in Canada. Can't they just go there?

292 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:45:26pm
293 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:46:02pm

re: #289 Luigi

I'd happily swap my non American status with them any day.

294 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:46:38pm

re: #271 Iron Fist No new attacks on the the USA since 9/11 about says it all for me.

295 WhiteRasta  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:46:44pm

re: #291 ArmyWife

We don't want them here.

296 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:47:29pm

re: #284 Racer X

Doesn't sound like a Hawaiian either.

True in that nothing seems natural, like even his speech is practiced, I'm sure that some mouth breathers on the Freepers or such, Not me Charles, are hot with theories that he was raised in some Soviet Potemkim Village.

297 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:47:52pm

re: #295 WhiteRasta

We don't want them here.

YOU WILL TAKE THEM AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!

/s

298 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:47:58pm

re: #282 gclaghorn

Now this is funny!

The Obama Loyalty Test

I scored a 52

299 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:48:22pm

re: #286 ArmyWife

He went there because without Chicago politics, he'd be as noteworthy as the McDonald's drive through attendant.

Racist!

/kidding

300 David Simon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:48:24pm

re: #250 Iron Fist

You know, I really thought the Secret service should have whacked the shoe-throwing dude. They didn't know what he'd thrown at Bush. It could have been a grenade instead of a shoe. They should hqave made sure he couldn't have thrown a second item before they determined what he actually had thrown.

Indeed:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

301 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:48:44pm

re: #298 rawmuse

I scored a 52

I got a 13, putting in honest answers.

302 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:49:40pm

re: #248 Perplexed

A taste of things to come for the rest of us when the ONE shuts down coal fired power plants through his mis-guided administration.

There goes over 1/2 of our electricity.
How many unicorns will it take to replace that power?

303 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:50:08pm

re: #301 gclaghorn

I got a 13, putting in honest answers.

I got a 17. The difference might have been question 2: 'Are you bitter?" I'm not, so I said no.

304 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:50:14pm

re: #301 gclaghorn

I got a 13, putting in honest answers.

I put in the correct answers, such as, there are 57 states, and even if Obama says it is a lie, it is the truth, which, is going to be the truth, I think.

305 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:50:37pm

re: #298 rawmuse

I scored a 14 and have been labeled an "embarrassment" to The One.

306 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:50:39pm

re: #302 Kosh's Shadow

"Put on a sweater."
Jimmy Carter

307 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:50:48pm

re: #302 Kosh's Shadow

There goes over 1/2 of our electricity.
How many unicorns will it take to replace that power?

A million of them, running in wheels like Charles' hamsters.

308 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:50:59pm

re: #298 rawmuse

I scored a 52

I got a 31, was trying for zero...:)

309 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:51:23pm

re: #306 IslandLibertarian

"Put on a sweater."
Jimmy Dhimmi Carter

fixed

310 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:51:27pm

re: #302 Kosh's Shadow

Depends. Are they the pink, purple or blue ones?

311 srb1976  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:52:14pm

Evening folks...
haven't been around in awhile, did I miss anything good?

312 USCMSNE  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:52:24pm

Five Year Terror Forecast sounds like the next volume in the How To for Dummies book that Obama got for Christmas.

313 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:52:29pm

re: #292 Iron Fist

Only a week? Of course, just before 9-11 happened al Qaeda used a reporter to get close enough to the main Northern Alliance guy to assassinate him. this could have easily been something like that.

The Media would probably still whine if the Secret Service whacked him.

If it were up to me, I'd declare the fucking press as an international terrorist organization, and say "open season". The Media are the Enemy.

The Lion of Pansjir

314 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:52:32pm
315 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:52:47pm

re: #289 Luigi
"CAIR ever think like Americans?" I think that's unduly harsh, given that they aren't really Americans at all. And I think they should move to Canada. Someplace near the Artic Circle, and have a North American Office.

316 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:52:51pm

re: #282 gclaghorn

Now this is funny!

The Obama Loyalty Test

18. What an embarrassment to the 0ne.

317 nightwatch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:53:01pm

Happy New Year Lizards!

(lifting wine glass...:])

318 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:54:51pm

Waving the Al Qaeda flag,

burning tires

waving "toy" guns...

/all in a day's play for Palestinian children in Lebanon

319 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:55:02pm
320 Wilderstad  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:55:19pm

re: #315 realwest

No, don't put them up here! We've already got them and we don't want them either.

321 Luigi  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:55:51pm

Probably nobody cares bout this, I've been meaning to post this thought.

It is said Christmas sales are way down in the stores. That probably refers to total sales revenues. But keep in mind that prices for things have been falling:
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

It is possible that people have been buying the same amount of stuff, or maybe even more, and they're just paying less money for it.

322 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:55:55pm

re: #306 IslandLibertarian

"Put on a sweater."
Jimmy Carter

I can deal with the cold; it is the heat. No AC, and I will be only semi-conscious by the time the temperature reaches 80.
I guess I'll just have to move to Alaska.

323 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:56:13pm

re: #265 MandyManners

Why would that doctor ask that?

Possible infection - poisoning.

324 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:56:23pm

re: #316 Kosh's Shadow

18. What an embarrassment to the 0ne.

Can't do the test again, I must start cramming for my VA blood test on Monday...:)

325 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:56:27pm

re: #308 Dustyvet

I got a 31, was trying for zero...:)

Please report to your nearest indoctrination center. You will find friendly people there that are ready to help you with the coming necessary adjustments in your awareness. Leave your wallet with the receptionist.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:56:40pm

re: #250 Iron Fist

You know, I really thought the Secret service should have whacked the shoe-throwing dude. They didn't know what he'd thrown at Bush. It could have been a grenade instead of a shoe. They should hqave made sure he couldn't have thrown a second item before they determined what he actually had thrown.

Why didn't they? I realize I didn't see this play out, but aren't these guys supposed to take the bullet for the president? How does some journalist get off TWO shoes?

327 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:57:43pm

re: #325 rawmuse

Please report to your nearest indoctrination center. You will find friendly people there that are ready to help you with the coming necessary adjustments in your awareness. Leave your wallet with the receptionist.

No, no, no...they'll never take me alive...:)

328 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:58:31pm
329 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:59:20pm

re: #316 Kosh's Shadow

18. What an embarrassment to the 0ne.

I am ashamed.

/

330 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 8:59:26pm

re: #318 Thanos

Waving the Al Qaeda flag,

burning tires

waving "toy" guns...

/all in a day's play for Palestinian children in Lebanon

Damn the monsters who taught them to do that. Repost from the prior thread: Education for Death

331 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:00:41pm
332 Luigi  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:01:22pm

One more thought. Take this for what it's worth, but when I speak against CAIR I'm attacking CAIR and not everybody in the Muslim religion, such as our allies in Iraq who have our backs.

333 stevieray  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:01:27pm

Damn. I just saw that Samuel Huntington died. His "Clash Of Civilizations" is essential reading.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:01:46pm

re: #328 Iron Fist

Thanks. I think we can let him slide on being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. I realize that winning it these days means you are a genocidal bastard who's trying to destroy the world, but since he was dead when he was nominated...

When I was about to turn thirty, I suffered a brief bout of angst about not having a Nobel Prize by the time I turned 30. I briefly annoyed all my friends and relatives with a campaign for the Peace Prize. My argument was that they'd given it to Arafat for failing to make peace in the Middle East. I contended that I also had failed to make peace in the Middle East, but with a substantially lower body count.

Stockholm was unimpressed.

335 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:02:02pm

re: #331 Thanos

Well, duh. Egypt doesn't want Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood joining up and going nuts.

336 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:02:19pm

re: #302 Kosh's Shadow

There goes over 1/2 of our electricity.
How many unicorns will it take to replace that power?

A good woodstove has internal turbulance so the air and smoke will mix properly to burn. And set up so that all the heat doesn't just run up the chimney.

You may need to know this!

337 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:04:06pm

The most ironic Christmas gift evah

Good lord. It’s like getting a Bible autographed by the Pope.

I'm jealous.

338 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:04:39pm

re: #319 Iron Fist Yes to both propositions. It's strange to recall Bush saying that we'd go after Al-Q wherever they were and hunt them down, keep 'em on the run so they didn't have the time to recruit, raise funds, train and plan out such operations and that's exactly what we did. And the Dem's feathers got ruffled with FISA, Gitmo, Afghanistan (some of 'em anyway) and Iraq -where Al-Q made the horrible misjudgment that US Armed Forces would be afraid of so many "Foreign Fighters" coming into battle and instead discovered that we were delighted to kill their top leadership and many if not most of their "troops" by the truckloads. And when the Iraqi people FINALLY got the chance to vote, we on the right cheered all those purple thumbs, those on the Left (i.e. the Democratic Party) sniffed and turned up their noses at the DEMONSTRATED desire of the Iraqi people for a Democracy.
Lord knows I've disagreed with President Bush on a lot of things, but NEVER on his protecting the United States from another terrorist attack like 9/11.

339 ArmyWife  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:05:27pm

I'm out. Its been a long day in the (diesel guzzling) truck and I am really looking forward to being able to sleep in my own bed again!

340 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:05:56pm

re: #320 Wilderstad
OK, if they HAVE to have a North American Branch, send 'em down to Mexico. And shut those damn borders TIGHT.

341 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:06:03pm
342 legalpad  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:06:09pm
Chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear attacks are considered the most dangerous threats that could be carried out against the United States. But those threats are also the most unlikely because it is so difficult for al-Qaeda and similar groups to acquire the materials needed to carry out such plots -

"Unlikely" or not -

Intelligence officials also predict that in the next five years, terrorists will attempt a destructive biological attack.

So naturally, we should leave the borders open so the wildlife and "immigrants" can roam freely. ///

f-ing idiots.

343 Dustyvet  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:06:44pm

Shoplifting Dog - Dog walks into drug/food store in Utah, steals dog bone then walks out.

344 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:08:12pm

re: #341 Iron Fist

I really don't know. The Secret Service are exceptional at stopping these kinds of things before the get close enough to be a real danger to the President, but they surely screwed the pooch here. It'd probably be impossible to get a gun that close, but shoe-bombs?

I'd have drilled the son of a bitch if it'd been me.

Water boarding?

345 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:08:28pm
346 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:08:29pm

re: #341 Iron Fist

I really don't know. The Secret Service are exceptional at stopping these kinds of things before the get close enough to be a real danger to the President, but they surely screwed the pooch here. It'd probably be impossible to get a gun that close, but shoe-bombs?

I'd have drilled the son of a bitch if it'd been me.

Be glad then that it was not. For killing a reporter, Obama would throw you under the bus and have you prosecuted, saying "That is not the Secret Service I knew."

347 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:10:19pm

re: #336 swamprat

A good woodstove has internal turbulance so the air and smoke will mix properly to burn. And set up so that all the heat doesn't just run up the chimney.

You may need to know this!

Heating isn't the problem. Anyone know how to cool without electricity?
My comfortable temperature range is 60-72

348 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:11:57pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Be glad then that it was not. For killing a reporter, Obama would throw you under the bus and have you prosecuted, saying "That is not the Secret Service I knew."

Ah, We live in interesting times.

It's going to be more interesting.

349 srb1976  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:12:09pm

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

Heating isn't the problem. Anyone know how to cool without electricity?
My comfortable temperature range is 60-72

I don't have any great ideas about how to do it...I'm just glad it's not just me freezing my family out of the house year round = )

350 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:13:19pm
351 Darkwing1  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:14:55pm

Folks, don't panic. Common sense says they will try again. When and where is unknown. Your guess is as good as mine and I am a retired Intelligence Analyst. This leaked report is nothing more then some bureaucrat clown justifying his position for at least the next five years.

352 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:06pm

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

Heating isn't the problem. Anyone know how to cool without electricity?
My comfortable temperature range is 60-72

Throw another log on the air conditioner.

353 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:18pm

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

dig a cave

very close, about 8 degrees off

354 GrammatonCleric  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:33pm
355 teleskiguy  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:15:40pm

With Mr. 'Appeasement' Obama in office soon, we might see Israel nuked, India and Pakistan nuked, LA an NY nuked, Obama is going to destroy the world!

356 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:16:40pm

re: #350 Iron Fist

That remionds me of something Winston Churchill once said. Someone said to him that if he were her husband she'd serve him poison and he said something to the effect of "Madam, if I were your husband, I'd drink it!"

If it had been Obama...

I imagine that it would be hard to be willing to take a bullet for the guy.

Do not discount the SS commitment.

357 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:16:45pm

re: #350 Iron Fist
"I imagine that it would be hard to be willing to take a bullet for the guy."
Ah, no. The USSS is a truly professional organization and no matter who is POTUS, they'll take the bullet.

358 gclaghorn  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:17:07pm

re: #351 Darkwing1

Folks, don't panic. Common sense says they will try again. When and where is unknown. Your guess is as good as mine and I am a retired Intelligence Analyst. This leaked report is nothing more then some bureaucrat clown justifying his position for at least the next five years.

I would really like to meet whoever made up this report. It has to be the stupidest collection of obliviously obvious statements I've ever read in my life.

359 Dan G.  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:17:15pm

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

Unless you have a cold ground water source... no.

360 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:17:19pm

re: #355 teleskiguy

With Mr. 'Appeasement' Obama in office soon, we might see Israel nuked, India and Pakistan nuked, LA an NY nuked, Obama is going to destroy the world!

Change!

With that, I sign off.

361 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:18:13pm

re: #335 Killgore Trout

Well, duh. Egypt doesn't want Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood joining up and going nuts.

Both groups are already nuts separately, but combining the insanity wouldn't be good.

362 gmsc  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:19:19pm

re: #352 rawmuse

Throw another log on the air conditioner.

*SNORT*

363 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:19:22pm

re: #357 realwest

Quiet and observant, and they don't talk much. They do not initiate conversation. They listen.

364 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:21:20pm

I'm checking out early tonight, see you all on the morrow.

I'll leave you with Penn Jillette Juggling snowballs in Vegas

365 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:21:22pm
366 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:21:43pm

re: #361 FurryOldGuyJeans
Hmm. Wonder about that. I mean there can, by definition, only be ONE top dog - would Hamas and The Muslim Brotherhood ever agree on who that should be? And we KNOW how they settle the differences of opinion they have with others (see, e.g., Abbas and Fatah).

367 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:21:54pm

re: #357 realwest

"I imagine that it would be hard to be willing to take a bullet for the guy."
Ah, no. The USSS is a truly professional organization and no matter who is POTUS, they'll take the bullet.

The USSS is interested in Continuity of Government, so taking a bullet even if the POTUS is an ass or worse they will do what is necessary to ensure there is no breakdown of government.

368 Darkwing1  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:22:22pm

re: #358 gclaghorn

I would really like to meet whoever made up this report. It has to be the stupidest collection of obliviously obvious statements I've ever read in my life.

Most likely it came from an Executive Summery used to brief someone in Obama's Transition team. The lack of specific information tells me it was someone without a security clearence.

369 lostlakehiker  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:22:49pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

The cardinal question: What does Barack Obama intend to do to prevent these risks from becoming realities?

The first thing to do would be to continue the work on early detection of epidemics. That's valuable whether they're man-made or not. Next would be continued R&D into biology; again, dual use. Third, keep working on intel. Nip it in the bud if possible. Finally, try to arrange that Pakistan doesn't tip into the enemy camp. Finally, enact laws permitting the govt to take drastic measures to stop epidemics, and practice them.

370 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:22:58pm

OK Ploome - I get that you gave an emotional response and have no facts to back it up with.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Or?

371 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:23:14pm

re: #366 realwest

Hmm. Wonder about that. I mean there can, by definition, only be ONE top dog - would Hamas and The Muslim Brotherhood ever agree on who that should be? And we KNOW how they settle the differences of opinion they have with others (see, e.g., Abbas and Fatah).

The level of infighting would be stupendous until they collectively see a better external threat to temporarily band together to fight.

372 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:26:23pm

re: #343 Dustyvet

Shoplifting Dog - Dog walks into drug/food store in Utah, steals dog bone then walks out.


[Video]

The dog is a member of an oppressed minority that has struck a revolutionary blow against the oppression of consumerism and Big Pharma. The dog is righteous.

or

The Golden Retriever is oozing his racist sense of entitlement.

373 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:27:10pm
374 Maximu§  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:29:02pm

re: #351 Darkwing1

This old soldier thinks the punk Muslim terrorists will keep striking the West as long as we continue to show weakness.

375 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:29:35pm

re: #365 Iron Fist
Hey Bro'

He's more likely to hurt America by trying to push through unpopular and even Unconstitutional domestic policies, than he is to hinder the Mohammedan threat.

It is conceivably worse than that. Under the pretext of making the US less dependent on foreign sources of energy, he's gonna spend a Trillion buckos or more, in a variety of ways, NOT strengthening our defensive/offensive capabilities, but by screwing around with Wind Power, Solar Power, power from bags on cows assholes (methane) ANYTHING but Clean Coal and nuclear power - both of which technologies are HERE NOW.
Solar DOES show some promise but there's a long way to go to get there and windmill power is pretty much the same, but not as well advanced as Solar.
So he'll weaken us militarily UNDER THE GUISE of making us stronger by becoming energy independent.

376 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:31:05pm

re: #367 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yep, that's what I said!

377 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:32:19pm

re: #376 realwest

Yep, that's what I said!

I know, just thought it best to make mention of CoG, though. ;)

378 Wishing  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:32:20pm

re: #316 Kosh's Shadow

18. What an embarrassment to the 0ne.

Hey I got an 18 too...did anyone get any other score?

379 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:33:44pm

re: #373 Iron Fist
And with respect my friend, that's one reason why you aren't in the USSS nor on the Presidential Protection Unit.
The other reason, of course, is that you didn't apply to become a memeber of the USSS!
:)

380 Darkwing1  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:34:26pm

re: #374 Maximu§

This old soldier thinks the punk Muslim terrorists will keep striking the West as long as we continue to show weakness.

This retired SNCO agrees.

381 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:34:36pm

re: #373 Iron Fist

re: #357 realwest

I don't discount their professionalism, but I don't understand it, either. I'm not entirely sure that it is a good thing. It is a little too much suspension of judgement for me. Don't get me wrong. There are things I'd be willing to lay down my life for, but a venal and corrupt man, just because he won a vote one time, isn't one of those things.

Protecting the elected POTUS is what the SS does - amongst other things.

We shall see how corrupt this man is - till then - guys and gals put their bods in harms way.

Bless them all.

382 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:34:56pm
383 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:35:00pm

re: #374 Maximu§
And this is one older soldier who thinks if we don't keep after 'em - any and everywhere they may be, THAT will be seen as a sign of weakness.

384 Wishing  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:35:23pm

re: #380 Darkwing1

This retired SNCO agrees.

This newly employed nobody agrees as well.

385 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:35:48pm

Good evening, y'all. Hey I just watched "The Dark Knight" for the first time. First hour is good, last 90 minutes is like three other movies, half-written, ending in garbage.

Like this five year forecast, that's just bureaucratic boilerplate, any child of five could have written it.

OK, Keith Ledger was outstanding.

386 Fearless Fred  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:36:01pm

re: #5 Iron Fist

A five-year plan? Where do I remember that from...


Heh, ... hehe

387 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:37:03pm

re: #215 WhiteRasta

Hell, West we were having a lively discussion.

Howdy do mi bredrin...

388 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:39:47pm

re: #378 Wishing

Hey I got an 18 too...did anyone get any other score?

101 (Barack is pleased!) when I answered as if I were an Obamabot, and 13 (You're an embarrassment to Barack) when I answered the way I truly felt.

389 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:40:00pm

re: #282 gclaghorn

Now this is funny!

The Obama Loyalty Test


I earned a 14!

390 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:40:07pm

re: #382 Iron Fist

Yeah, I don't see how you can take nuclear power out of the equasion and still be considered serious when looking for an energy policy for the next twenty or so years. And it takes time to ramp those things up. If we started a crash program to build nuke plants, I doubt that they could even finish one before the end of Obama's first term.

And the Messiah is on record for saying that he intends to bankrupt the coal industry. He's either dumb as a stump, batshit crazy, or anti-American, and I know he's not dumb.

Nope - I think he wanted to get in the records books - history - etc.

Going down in flames -

391 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:40:31pm

re: #384 Wishing

This newly employed nobody agrees as well.

You ain't a nobody if you post here. ;)

392 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:41:15pm

How many islamic countries are we letting them have as sanctuaries where they can build any weapon, raise any army, hatch any plot?

"Outreach" will be effective?

...

"You cannot avoid war, you can only put it off to the advantage of your opponent."

— Niccolo Machiavelli.

393 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:41:47pm

Is it really entirely beyond Hollywood to write any kind of modern villain, say some well-meaning but heavily indoctrinated and ridiculously mis-educated Islamic clan, sponsored by indecently rich religious zealots conveniently out of the line of fire, both threatened and encouraged by violent, psychopaths?

If "The Dark Knight" is supposed to confuse here and villain, how about a little real life?

394 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:42:27pm

re: #393 itellu3times

hero and villain, sheesh.

395 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:42:55pm

re: #392 Ojoe

"You cannot avoid war, you can only put it off to the advantage of your opponent."
— Niccolo Machiavelli

Gotta love him.

396 grassrootsrally  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:43:24pm

Just checking in. Hello everyone. I'm baking a pie and watching a "Great Expectations". Tonight I accomplished my first "print an internet page" at Kinko's.
Stay healthy!

397 Wishing  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:43:54pm

re: #391 FurryOldGuyJeans

You ain't a nobody if you post here. ;)

LOL ok then!

Is anyone from Pennsylvania? They just had a 3.4 earthquake.

398 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:44:16pm

re: #395 Bobibutu

Mr. Obama should read "The Prince" by Sig. Niccolo.

399 doppelganglander  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:44:35pm

re: #282 gclaghorn

Now this is funny!

The Obama Loyalty Test

I scored a 16. Sorry, I'm sure I could have made it lower with a little effort.

400 grassrootsrally  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:44:44pm

re: #397 Wishing

Populated or unpopulated region of PA.?

401 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:45:15pm

re: #397 Wishing

3.4? That's a twiddly earthquake.

(Ojoe, California)

402 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:45:48pm

re: #399 doppelganglander

I scored a 16. Sorry, I'm sure I could have made it lower with a little effort.

After extensive testing I think the basement is 12 with a ceiling of 109.

403 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:46:16pm

re: #395 Bobibutu

"You cannot avoid war, you can only put it off to the advantage of your opponent."
— Niccolo Machiavelli

Gotta love him.

And Sun Tzu

404 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:47:06pm

re: #395 Bobibutu

"You cannot avoid war, you can only put it off to the advantage of your opponent."
— Niccolo Machiavelli

Gotta love him.


Yes you can avoid war, there is no question in my mind, R. Reagan demonstrated it, the principle is called peace through strength.
If you adversary knows with absolute certainty that he will be annihilated, not just take limited losses, he will be restrained in his conduct and belligerent behavior.

405 Wishing  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:47:32pm

re: #400 grassrootsrally

Populated or unpopulated region of PA.?

Close to Ephrata, Columbia and York...widely felt, I guess.

406 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:47:42pm

re: #382 Iron Fist

One of his talking points was clean coal technology; He was against the coal industry before has was for it!

I believe him about coal. I believe he will say anything depending on who is listening and what the outcome is. ...But I also believe he will do what is best for our country because everybody is looking at him. The problem is he has been soaked in left-wing idealism for so long that reality just might give him whiplash. Look at what is happening to his "punish-the-rich-for-being-successful" taxes; oops! Reality time! Tax cuts for the rich encourages business! ...Who coulda seen that one coming! Another socialist standard goes into the toilet.
I keep hoping for the best.

407 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:48:12pm

Homeland Security trots out an occasional distinguished looking expert for the cameras but the fact is that it is stuffed with thousands of Managers, Directors, Deputies other staff who earn from $80,000 to $200,000 a year and who often have at best a Community College education that may have evolved into a BA at some state college extension. It isn't that the job shouldn't be done, although Libertarians can make arguments. It isn't that the equipment, doctrine and contract training are bad, it often isn't. Contractors aren't simply ripping the gov't off, they deliver what they promised. The problem is internal. The people they have and the managers they have are simply not up to the job. Obviously it varies by unit but if I was in an outfit like the USSS I would be very unhappy at being in the same Department as TSA.

408 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:48:12pm

re: #404 shanec99

Yes you can avoid war, there is no question in my mind, R. Reagan demonstrated it, the principle is called peace through strength.
If you adversary knows with absolute certainty that he will be annihilated, not just take limited losses, he will be restrained in his conduct and belligerent behavior.

Or, he will attack - and be annihilated.

409 Wishing  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:48:18pm

re: #401 Ojoe

3.4? That's a twiddly earthquake.

(Ojoe, California)

LOL not for Pennsylvania!

410 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:49:02pm

re: #382 Iron Fist Well unlike a lot of folks out here who I'm sure would disagree with me, I don't think Obama is in fact very smart. Cunning and clever yes, smart no. And he hasn't taken nuclear power off the table just yet - just concerned about nuclear waste and since a bi-partisan scientific panel of experts reviewed all the possible sites for the disposal of nuclear waste as being in some teeeny bit of Land in Reid's Nevada, I think he WILL look for someplace else - he feels he needs Reid now. And I suspect if Obama said build those nuclear power plants NOW - there'd be little if any opposition from the Left - he is, after all, their Superstar and I think we could probably get 20 nuke plants built and on-line in 3 years if we had some sort of crash building course (I DO regret the use of Crash and Building with respect to nuclear power plants, but you know what I mean!). Hell FRANCE,
FRANCE gets more than 70% of ALL their electrical power from nuclear power plants - maybe Obama will ask them what do they do with their nuclear waste and do they have room for more!
But if he doesn't go for nuclear, we are royally screwed. And if he was sincere about Coal we are doubly fucked.

411 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:49:45pm

re: #408 itellu3times
and after he is anhilated then there is no more war.

412 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:50:27pm

re: #398 Ojoe

Mr. Obama should read "The Prince" by Sig. Niccolo.

Or any translation -

In my bookshelf and reread over 40 years.

Profound insights.

413 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:51:32pm

re: #403 rawmuse

And Sun Tzu

The primary insight.

414 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:51:44pm

re: #411 shanec99

and after he is anhilated then there is no more war.

"never" is a long time.

415 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:52:09pm
416 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:52:09pm

re: #397 Wishing
A 3.4 isn't big by any stretch of the imagination, but do you know where it hit in Pa?

417 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:52:49pm

re: #403 rawmuse

Here's Niccolo Machiavelli, the larger context of that quote above in No. 392:

...Because the Romans did in these instances what all prudent princes ought to do, who have to regard not only present troubles, but also future ones, for which they must prepare with every energy, because, when foreseen, it is easy to remedy them; but if you wait until they approach, the medicine is no longer in time because the malady has become incurable; for it happens in this, as the physicians say it happens in hectic fever, that in the beginning of the malady it is easy to cure but difficult to detect, but in the course of time, not having been either detected or treated in the beginning, it becomes easy to detect but difficult to cure. This it happens in affairs of state, for when the evils that arise have been foreseen (which it is only given to a wise man to see), they can be quickly redressed, but when, through not having been foreseen, they have been permitted to grow in a way that every one can see them, there is no longer a remedy. Therefore, the Romans, foreseeing troubles, dealt with them at once, and, even to avoid a war, would not let them come to a head, for they knew that war is not to be avoided, but is only to be put off to the advantage of others; moreover they wished to fight with Philip and Antiochus in Greece so as not to have to do it in Italy; they could have avoided both, but this they did not wish; nor did that ever please them which is for ever in the mouths of the wise ones of our time:--Let us enjoy the benefits of the time--but rather the benefits of their own valour and prudence, for time drives everything before it, and is able to bring with it good as well as evil, and evil as well as good.


Good Night All.

418 revobob  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:52:53pm

re: #373 Iron Fist

re: #357 realwest

I don't discount their professionalism, but I don't understand it, either. I'm not entirely sure that it is a good thing. It is a little too much suspension of judgement for me. Don't get me wrong. There are things I'd be willing to lay down my life for, but a venal and corrupt man, just because he won a vote one time, isn't one of those things.

Would it help to think in terms that their loyalty is to the office of POTUs, not to the specific holder of that office? This sentiment has been expressd here by several since the election and I agree with it. I suspect that the only way they can go to work each day is with the viewpoint that they are protecting the office-holder, less so the person.

419 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:52:57pm

re: #408 itellu3times
That is how we ended the war in Europe... we practically anhilated Nazism, the majority of the Nazi leadership was killed or jailed... anhilated as a practical matter, and the world achieved peace.

420 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:53:15pm
421 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:53:34pm

re: #404 shanec99

Yes you can avoid war, there is no question in my mind, R. Reagan demonstrated it, the principle is called peace through strength.
If you adversary knows with absolute certainty that he will be annihilated, not just take limited losses, he will be restrained in his conduct and belligerent behavior.

The primary effort of any warrior is too avoid war and killing.

422 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:54:28pm

re: #415 Iron Fist

That's what I am afraid of. I don't think that Obama really expected to win this time out. I think he tossed his hat in the ring to gain experience in running for President so that when 2012 or 2016 rolled around he'd have some credible experience behind him. He couldn't have anticipated that the MSM would coronate him after having been in the tank for all things Clinton for the better part of twenty years.

Now he's like the dog that caught the car it was chasing - he doesn't know where to go from here. All that shit that Biden said about him before he was nominated VP about the Presidency not needing on-the-job-training, etc. was true.

If it were just watching Obama crash and burn, I'd just make popcorn, but when this guy goes down, he's liable to bring everything down with him.

I'm not at all joking when I say that I am worried for our country.

No shit!

423 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:54:35pm

re: #404 shanec99
Uh, that's only true if your enemy gives a damn about staying alive. If he thinks, for example, dying while fighting the Infidels is gonna get him up to the right hand of Allah, I don't think what you stated is true.
The USSR DID NOT have a death wish or worship death; the Jihadists manifestly do.

424 grassrootsrally  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:54:52pm

re: #405 Wishing

Ojoe is in error. It could be destructive, but the small ones are not usually as bad as small ones AFTER a big one. My son is a geologist. You can go on the USGS website to check or leave messages of damage. Thanks for posting this.

425 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:54:56pm

re: #410 realwest

Yes but. Wish we had more certified welders, really don't want the friendly guys from Honest Al's Auto Repairs putting up nuke plants in a hurry. We should have been much more attentive to the national security aspects of our industrial and mobilization base. Base Realignment and Closing was an obvious opening to corrupt real estate interests. Does that sound familiar this year? We should have worked at keeping supply lines open for ships, planes, ammunition and armor.

426 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:55:19pm

re: #419 shanec99

And you believe the world has been at peace since VE day?

Eternal vigilance, friend, that's all I'm saying.

"Even Sauron himself is but an emissary," as Gandalf put it.

427 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:55:23pm

re: #405 Wishing

Close to Ephrata, Columbia and York...widely felt, I guess.

Mild earthquake shakes Lancaster County

USGS

428 revobob  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:55:27pm

re: #378 Wishing

Hey I got an 18 too...did anyone get any other score?


14 here- I'm also an embarassment to Obama. Nothing new to me- I was to mom and dad too/

429 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:56:01pm

re: #415 Iron Fist

Well said

430 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:56:06pm

re: #424 grassrootsrally

Well in Pa. they don't build for earthquakes much, so a smaller one there could cause some damage.

431 grassrootsrally  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:56:49pm

re: #416 realwest

Please see my #424.

432 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:57:10pm

re: #414 itellu3times

"never" is a long time.


Yes, there are always new totaltarian threats to peace and world stability that will have to be dealt with over time. There must be vigilance in observing them, and we must resist them with all our strength when they threaten our homes and try to kill our families as the sleep helplessly in the night.

433 grassrootsrally  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:58:30pm

When I get my pie in the oven, I'll check out U.S. Geological Survey site.

434 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:59:09pm

re: #425 lifeofthemind
Well I think we could cobble together enough folks, sufficently able to do the necessary work, if we had the WILL TO DO IT.

435 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:59:19pm

re: #427 FurryOldGuyJeans

Lots of Amish in Lancaster.

436 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 9:59:35pm

Already did so...#427

437 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:00:02pm

re: #427 FurryOldGuyJeans

Mild earthquake shakes Lancaster County

USGS

Hope no one is hurt.
Still it is a good time to drag out the "World's Dullest Headline"

Small Earthquake in Peru, not many dead.

438 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:00:04pm
439 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:00:06pm

re: #421 Bobibutu

The primary effort of any warrior is too avoid war and killing.


I agree, that is why we must demonstrate resolve to end conflicts as soon as possible when the other side will not be reasonable. Ending conflict sometimes means destroying the ideology that created the conditions that led to the instability, like the allies did with the Nazis.

440 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:00:47pm

re: #427 FurryOldGuyJeans
Thank you for that comment and those links.

441 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:01:20pm

re: #435 rawmuse

Lots of Amish in Lancaster.

My, that was a nice non-sequitur. ;)

442 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:02:56pm

re: #426 itellu3times

And you believe the world has been at peace since VE day?

Eternal vigilance, friend, that's all I'm saying.

"Even Sauron himself is but an emissary," as Gandalf put it.


The world has been at peace against Nazism... just not aginst the other totalitarian movements. Nazism was anhilated, the others were not... but they have not threatened worls survival, so it has not been necessary to wage the kind of war against them that was waged against the Nazis.

443 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:03:15pm

re: #440 realwest

Thank you for that comment and those links.

I live in Earthquake Central North (CONUS), so I tend to be "mildly" interested if there is an shaking activity elsewhere.

444 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:04:32pm

re: #443 FurryOldGuyJeans
Huh? I always thought that CONUS was an acronym for "Continental United States". No?

445 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:04:52pm

re: #434 realwest

Well I think we could cobble together enough folks, sufficently able to do the necessary work, if we had the WILL TO DO IT.

Yes just don't want it to be treated as another Jobs Program with sloppy Chicago machine standards. Remember the first McCormick place turned out be less fireproof than advertised.

446 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:05:09pm

re: #438 Iron Fist
The Nazis were not rational either, infact they followed Hittler's fanatical leadership, but we dealt with them... we have the capability to deal with them... it is a matter of political willingness.

447 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:05:20pm
448 Macker  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:05:54pm

re: #68 gclaghorn

The Newport Beach Choral Society.

I hope they won't become members of this choir any time soon...

449 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:06:49pm

re: #444 realwest

Huh? I always thought that CONUS was an acronym for "Continental United States". No?

It does, and I live in the Seattle area, so that is the Northern part of Earthquake Central...I tried to put too much information with few words and got bit.

I mentioned CONUS because Alaska is more Northernly. ;)

450 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:07:40pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ploome - still waiting ...

451 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:11:42pm
452 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:13:16pm
453 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:14:14pm

re: #442 shanec99

{cough} cold war {cough}

{cough} gulf war I {cough}

{cough} 9/11 {cough}

{cough} gulf war II {cough}

If commies and Islamofascists aren't nazis, what the hey.

454 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:14:32pm

re: #450 Bobibutu
Hey Bobibutu - what are you waiting on ploome for?
I thought you answered that question in your link at your #370, no?

455 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:15:28pm

re: #452 Iron Fist
Good night Bro' - sleep well.

456 zombie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:16:52pm

Five-year Terror Forecast:
Biological and dirty bombs on the horizon!

100-year Climate Forecast:
The tide will rise by four feet! Palm trees will grow in Canada!

1 Day Financial Forecast:
Buy! Sell! Panic! Help! WE HAVE NO IDEA!

457 Promethea  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:17:27pm

re: #180 sattv4u2

According to Hamas, EVERY building in the Gaza strip is either a mosque, hospital or school!

I wish we would have hit a few mosques in Iraq so that the Muslim world would get the idea that Americans will hit their mosques, if necessary, just like we hit the German cathedrals during WWII.

I normally would respect people's religious sites, but this awe of mosques--with Israelis and Americans--is just totally ridiculous.

Ditto hospitals and ambulances. If the other side respects them, then we'll respect them. If the other sides uses them for warfare, then kabooom.

458 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:18:44pm

re: #453 itellu3times

{cough} cold war {cough}

{cough} gulf war I {cough}

{cough} 9/11 {cough}

{cough} gulf war II {cough}

If commies and Islamofascists aren't nazis, what the hey.

And here I keep reading stuff on lgf about resurgent Neo-Nazism...was I mistaken in thinking we only beat back evil, or what?

459 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:19:32pm

re: #453 itellu3times
Uh, yes, please see my #423.

460 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:20:36pm

re: #451 Iron Fist

That is certainly true. At the end of his life, Hitler wanted to pull all of Germany down with him. At the same time, we pretty much did destroy all of Nazi Germany. Yes, there were survivors, but we pretty well flattened every major city, industrial center, and cluster of mud huts around a well in most of Europe to bring him down.

I don't think we have the willingness to do it at this time. We didn't have the willingness to do it in 2001. I don't know what it would take to change that. In truth, I hope I never have to find out.


It would change if the majority of the world's population felt they were threatened with enslavement, totalitarianism and subjugation. There is not that sense of urgency today. Remember in WWII France, Poland, China, all of N. Africa, Somalia, Ethiopia, Burma, Korea were conquered, England, USSR, Australia and the US were under attack and fighting for their survival... no such condition exists today. The threat is not as imminent so people dont sense the urgency, they feel safe especially in the US homeland, remember there have been no really successful attacks on the homeland since 9/11.

461 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:21:11pm

re: #456 zombie
ROTFLMAO! Evening zombie!

462 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:21:35pm

re: #456 zombie

You need the services of my Director of Strategic, Long Term Planning,
Ms. Kay Serah Serah.

463 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:21:41pm

Meanwhile, our friends at the Discovery Institute must be intent on pissing off moi, misrepresenting philosophy of mind stuff regarding Jerry Fodor, and promoting the atavistic rantings of John Searle, in a recent article, My Reply to Dr. Novella’s Critique of Intentionality as a Property of the Mind

Dr. Novella’s other assertion — that intentionality can arise from computation — is an argument developed most notably by philosopher Jerry Fodor several decades ago (it’s called the “computational/representational theory of thought” — CRTT), and it has been, in the view of many philosophers, thoroughly demolished, in two ways.

Well, it turns out Fodor was never entirely describing "intention" so much as debunking it or naturalizing it, and Fodor never considered himself successful at even that - and also has a new book out on it, I only just discovered (sic). Other than that, and a few other things, good reference, not.

OTOH, whatever point this silly article was trying to make, I would happily take the opposite argument - though OTOOH, what he says, that "Fodor's" argument has been "demolished", is probably the consensus view out in the world, and probably would be here at LGF, too. I can be quite the eliminative materialist, when I get going, on a scientific basis.

And with that rant, I bid you all goodnight!

464 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:21:50pm

re: #453 itellu3times

{cough} cold war {cough}

{cough} gulf war I {cough}

{cough} 9/11 {cough}

{cough} gulf war II {cough}

If commies and Islamofascists aren't nazis, what the hey.

Totalitarian regimes that are incapable of doing what the axis powers almost achieved.

465 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:23:33pm

re: #464 shanec99

Totalitarian regimes that are incapable of doing what the axis powers almost achieved.

Just what the hell were the Axis Powers then? They were Totalitarian Regimes writ large.

466 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:24:26pm

re: #465 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just what the hell were the Axis Powers then? They were Totalitarian Regimes writ large.


They were more of a threat to world survival than anything we face today.

467 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:24:30pm

re: #459 realwest

Uh, yes, please see my #423.

Yes, my point exactly, and perhaps "The Bush Doctrine" writ large, if they insist they love death, then so be it.

And I will click off here in a moment, really.

468 zombie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:26:31pm

In the last month or so, I've now seen three films that were considered "radical" and revolutionary and outré and sexy when they first came out (late '60s- early '70s):

I Am Curious Yellow/Blue
WR: Mysteries of the Organism
Mr. Freedom

My assessment: they're all total crap. Every single one of them was astoundingly bad. Not revolutionary, not sexy, not nothing but amateurish.

/Watching commie hippie films so you don't have to.

469 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:26:53pm

re: #464 shanec99

Totalitarian regimes that are incapable of doing what the axis powers almost achieved.

Come now, the Soviets with nukes had easily 10x the power of the Third Reich. The Chinese could, if they wished. The oil ticks might buy a few nukes. For that matter, Israel threatens the Arabs with probably as much destructive force as Nazi Germany held against the rest of Europe - lucky for Israel!

Not to even get into bioweapons.

The world is a dangerous place, and I suppose always shall be.

470 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:28:34pm

re: #464 shanec99
Ah yes and no - please see my #423 - the ONLY reason we truly have to fear Jihadists is that they WANT to die fighting Infidels; their worship of death as a martyr is extremely well known. Consequently I believe that shortshit would in fact use nuclear weapons on Israel and possibly US troops in Iraq. Indeed, I wouldn't put it past him to launch a dirty bomb or biological war on the United States, either (and btw, when I say Shortshit, I mean the Mullah's behind him too).

471 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:29:16pm

re: #466 shanec99

They were more of a threat to world survival than anything we face today.

You have a very limited grasp of what we face, apparently.

To name just one:

A Nuclear Iran is far worse than anything we have so far faced because the mullahs and their puppet leader have absolutely NO restraints to using nukes to achieve their religious objectives.

472 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:29:22pm

THis sounds terribly pedantic but the problem may be in set theory or definitions,
Nazism was a subset of Fascism which was a variant on Totalitarian Socialism. Baathism is another offspring of the fascist lie. There has been considerable cross pollination between different variants of socialism, Communism reacted against Nazism but also absorbed elements and then influenced the ideologies of the various nationalist movements.

473 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:29:39pm

Last time I checked, France still had its government, Poland did not have concentration camps, there is no rape of Nan-king, Haile Selassie is not hiding in Djibouti and running to England to beg the world to assist him against Mussolini's treachery and conquest, and the Russians are not freezing to death while their fields are burned. Theh scale of the threat in WWII cannot be compared to today... the threat today is real but infinately smaller than what we faced in WWII.

474 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:30:27pm

Zombie I think I kicked your Karma over 20,000! Wooo Hooo.

475 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:30:42pm

re: #454 realwest

Hey Bobibutu - what are you waiting on ploome for?
I thought you answered that question in your link at your #370, no?

For the defense of the comment on xrays - and yes - I answered it - but still waiting for Ploomie's source for the comment made.

I am willing to be wrong and be educated - but BS is BS.

476 Promethea  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:31:24pm

re: #319 Iron Fist

I sure wouldn't have bet on it in September of 2001. I also wouldn't have bet that the Democrats would become a de facto propaganda arm of the Jihad the way they've done in the last eight years. I've never thought very highly of Democrats, but I wouldn't have expected that to happen the way it did.

On September 12, 2001, the farthest thing from my mind was that I would within a few years come to view the Democrats as traitors and my friends and family as idiots.

/I hope no one from my social circle knows who "Promethea" is.

477 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:31:54pm

re: #469 itellu3times

Come now, the Soviets with nukes had easily 10x the power of the Third Reich. The Chinese could, if they wished. The oil ticks might buy a few nukes. For that matter, Israel threatens the Arabs with probably as much destructive force as Nazi Germany held against the rest of Europe - lucky for Israel!

Not to even get into bioweapons.

The world is a dangerous place, and I suppose always shall be.


Yes, but they were unwilling to test us because Nagasaki and Hiroshima were recent memories in the 50s and 60s... and the principal deterrent was MADD during the cold war... they were scared that they would have been anhilated.

478 NY Nana  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:32:06pm

OT, but for anyone who has held off buying a new computer because of Vista?

Good news! Microsoft extends XP life... again, until May,2009.

NY Grampa bought a new one, with Windows XP, a few months ago, in Costco. It is excellent, and was at a really great price, and best of all? It is made in America!

This is one of them, but not the one he bought. which was less expensive.

479 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:32:51pm

re: #468 zombie
Huh, I saw "I Am Curious Yellow" and then "Blue" when they first came out and seem to remember the primary reason that they were considered "ground breaking" films was the nudity.
Didn't see the other films you mentioned but do distinctly remember being VERY disappointed in the I Am Curious movies.

480 solomonpanting  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:33:49pm

Israel's strike against Hamas may be a test for a future strike against Iran.

481 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:33:57pm

re: #471 FurryOldGuyJeans

You have a very limited grasp of what we face, apparently.

To name just one:

A Nuclear Iran is far worse than anything we have so far faced because the mullahs and their puppet leader have absolutely NO restraints to using nukes to achieve their religious objectives.


They are not the threat to worls suvival that Japan, Germany and Italy combined posed in WWII. Not even close.
In WWII the Germans were even closer to achieving nuke weaps than Iran is today.

482 zombie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:34:01pm

re: #474 lifeofthemind

Zombie I think I kicked your Karma over 20,000! Wooo Hooo.

Hey, thanks!

20,002 karmas. I'm still not entirely sure what that means or indicates, but hey, 20,000 is better than nothing.

Does it mean I can avoid 20,000 rebirths being born as a cockroach or a botulism bacterium, and reach Nirvana that much sooner?

If so: Whoo-hoo!

483 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:34:16pm

re: #471 FurryOldGuyJeans
GACK! Get outta my head! (#470)!
:)

484 Archimedes  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:34:37pm

Alvin Lee -- The Bluest Blues:

485 DisturbedEma  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:35:00pm

re: #460 shanec99

It would change if the majority of the world's population felt they were threatened with enslavement, totalitarianism and subjugation. There is not that sense of urgency today. Remember in WWII France, Poland, China, all of N. Africa, Somalia, Ethiopia, Burma, Korea were conquered, England, USSR, Australia and the US were under attack and fighting for their survival... no such condition exists today. The threat is not as imminent so people dont sense the urgency, they feel safe especially in the US homeland, remember there have been no really successful attacks on the homeland since 9/11.

I agree to a point. . .the real threat now comes from within. . .and the stealth factor of this kind cannot be underestimated. . .Britian, if you read Melanie Phillips, is already surrendering. . . they just do not know it yet. The "threat" is not Luftwaffa, it is political correctness and multiculturalist debate. . .

486 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:35:09pm

Gah. TV just ran some footage of Obama with his baseball hat on backwards.
We have a complete dork for POTUS.

487 DisturbedEma  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:35:43pm

re: #471 FurryOldGuyJeans

You have a very limited grasp of what we face, apparently.

To name just one:

A Nuclear Iran is far worse than anything we have so far faced because the mullahs and their puppet leader have absolutely NO restraints to using nukes to achieve their religious objectives.

They actually want to USE the weapons. . .as opposed to a "deterrent"

488 Archimedes  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:36:17pm

re: #486 rawmuse

Gah. TV just ran some footage of Obama with his baseball hat on backwards.
We have a complete dork for POTUS.

At least it wasn't side ways!

489 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:36:27pm

re: #486 rawmuse

Gah. TV just ran some footage of Obama with his baseball hat on backwards.
We have a complete dork for POTUS.

My knees quiver.

490 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:36:35pm

re: #485 DisturbedEma
On that point we have agreement.

491 DisturbedEma  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:36:59pm

re: #488 Archimedes

At least it wasn't side ways!

I would feel better if it was. . .NOT

492 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:37:05pm

re: #482 zombie


Does it mean I can avoid 20,000 rebirths being born as a cockroach or a botulism bacterium, and reach Nirvana that much sooner?

If so: Whoo-hoo!

It means lunch is on you.

493 zombie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:37:10pm

re: #479 realwest

Huh, I saw "I Am Curious Yellow" and then "Blue" when they first came out and seem to remember the primary reason that they were considered "ground breaking" films was the nudity.
Didn't see the other films you mentioned but do distinctly remember being VERY disappointed in the I Am Curious movies.

Actually, both of the "Curious" films, but "Blue" especially, are filled with unapologetic communist propaganda. It's amazing that this "detail" is never mentioned in descriptions of the film. Everyone was too distracted by the naked Swedish girl to notice that the entire film was flat-out Soviet agitprop!

494 DisturbedEma  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:37:48pm

re: #489 Bobibutu

My knees quiver.

As the stomach churns. . .

495 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:38:10pm

re: #483 realwest

GACK! Get outta my head! (#470)!
:)

I'm done playing with someone that is so expert at being willfully stupid; ignorant I can handle.

You can poke at him if you want, with my blessings. ;)

496 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:39:17pm

re: #493 zombie
Huh, "unapologetic communist propaganda." I don't even remember there being any dialogue in the Curious films!
;')

497 DisturbedEma  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:39:46pm

re: #480 solomonpanting

Israel's strike against Hamas may be a test for a future strike against Iran.

G-d willing. . .

498 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:39:52pm

As far as that waking up as a cockroach thing and Karma goes. If you are really bad you don't even get to come back in Kafka's nightmares. You only get to come back in Woody Allen's.

499 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:39:58pm

re: #493 zombie

Actually, both of the "Curious" films, but "Blue" especially, are filled with unapologetic communist propaganda. It's amazing that this "detail" is never mentioned in descriptions of the film. Everyone was too distracted by the naked Swedish girl to notice that the entire film was flat-out Soviet agitprop!

I might be interested in seeing the films just for the retro agitprop. ;)

500 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:40:28pm

re: #486 rawmuse
Well not if he was working on his truck at the time!
I mean, er, ah,
nevermind.

501 NY Nana  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:40:46pm

re: #486 rawmuse

A very dangerous dork...

502 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:41:17pm

re: #487 DisturbedEma

They actually want to USE the weapons. . .as opposed to a "deterrent"


If Israel really feels threatened... I believe that the weapons sites would be destroyed... see Iraq 1980s... there is also suspision about such an attack in Syria recently.
I do not believe that the Israelis will stand by and allow themselves to be murdered while they have the power to prevent it.

503 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:42:01pm

re: #493 zombie

You may be the only person who ever noticed that.

504 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:42:53pm

re: #482 zombie

Glad to speak to you again.
I saw your info about how crooked the press was when you reported about what really hapened at the protest at berkley when the papers didn't even tell you about the commies puting on that broadway play. Like that female wearing the red chinese commie stared t-shirt. You still do excellent work

505 zombie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:43:37pm

re: #496 realwest

Huh, "unapologetic communist propaganda." I don't even remember there being any dialogue in the Curious films!
;')

See what I mean?

In "Blue," she walks around Stokholm interviewing middle-class Swedes, asking them how crappy capitalism makes their lives; then she holds a protest with signs that say "Down with the Meritocracy." And then she reads aloud from communist manifestos! Etc.

See how effective it was? You were mesmerized and the messages went straight to your subconscious.

if you saw it now, you'd be shocked at what you didn't notice the first time around.

506 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:43:37pm

re: #486 rawmuse

Gah. TV just ran some footage of Obama with his baseball hat on backwards.
We have a complete dork for POTUS.

How about a megalomaniac - narcissist - dildo breath - ah words escape me ...

I beg pardon.

507 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:45:20pm

re: #470 realwest

Ah yes and no - please see my #423 - the ONLY reason we truly have to fear Jihadists is that they WANT to die fighting Infidels; their worship of death as a martyr is extremely well known. Consequently I believe that shortshit would in fact use nuclear weapons on Israel and possibly US troops in Iraq. Indeed, I wouldn't put it past him to launch a dirty bomb or biological war on the United States, either (and btw, when I say Shortshit, I mean the Mullah's behind him too).


My friend... I trust our intel specialists are doing the job and vigilantly preparing for any crisis. I am confident that if the need arises we can take appropriate action.
9/11 was a fluke, our intel folks won't allow it again. Its not that the other side is not trying, its that our side are frustrating their efforts.

508 realwest  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:45:35pm

Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta get some sleep.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

509 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:45:52pm

re: #505 zombie

See what I mean?

In "Blue," she walks around Stokholm interviewing middle-class Swedes, asking them how crappy capitalism makes their lives; then she holds a protest with signs that say "Down with the Meritocracy." And then she reads aloud from communist manifestos! Etc.

See how effective it was? You were mesmerized and the messages went straight to your subconscious.

if you saw it now, you'd be shocked at what you didn't notice the first time around.

Did you notice all this when you first saw the films when they were released, or are you just now noticing all the agitprop? ;)

510 zombie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:45:58pm

re: #504 hous bin pharteen

Glad to speak to you again.
I saw your info about how crooked the press was when you reported about what really hapened at the protest at berkley when the papers didn't even tell you about the commies puting on that broadway play. Like that female wearing the red chinese commie stared t-shirt. You still do excellent work

Thank you!

Though, with the election of the O, the whole rationale and purpose behind street protests is now completely changed, so I have no idea what the future will bring, zombietime-wise. There may never be another protest worth reporting on ever again! May have to re-focus.

511 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:46:02pm

re: #499 FurryOldGuyJeans

I might be interested in seeing the films just for the retro agitprop. ;)

Planning a career as shameless faculty packing in the undergraduates with "Clap for Credit" classes focused on Pron with heavy doses of Gender Studies bluenosing ladled on for cover?

512 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:46:17pm

re: #494 DisturbedEma

As the stomach churns. . .

And we all go down together - if we choose to participate.

513 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:46:44pm

re: #508 realwest

Sleep well dude.

514 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:48:08pm

re: #510 zombie

I think that Obama is already drawing fire from his own Left. You may be busier than you think. One element of revolution is that the revolution never ends.

515 zombie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:48:18pm

re: #509 FurryOldGuyJeans

Did you notice all this when you first saw the films when they were released, or are you just now noticing all the agitprop? ;)

I didn't see them until just a few weeks ago. I wasn't quite in shape for watching them when they first came out, either still being in utero, or not yet a twinkle in my mother's eye, or possibly too young to watch an X-rated film (as these were).

516 Archimedes  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:48:42pm

Maybe Obama should wear a court jester hat and amuse himself.

517 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:49:46pm

re: #511 lifeofthemind

Planning a career as shameless faculty packing in the undergraduates with "Clap for Credit" classes focused on Pron with heavy doses of Gender Studies bluenosing ladled on for cover?

I find porn boring, especially common 60's porn which has been outstripped by even broadcast TV for what gets shown; but good and effective agitprop is something I like to watch for the artiface.

518 zombie  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:50:00pm

re: #514 rawmuse

I think that Obama is already drawing fire from his own Left. You may be busier than you think. One element of revolution is that the revolution never ends.

You can say that again: Instapundit linked to this bumper sticker outlet today:

Disillusioned with Obama.

Let the disillusionment commence!

519 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:50:37pm

re: #515 zombie

I didn't see them until just a few weeks ago. I wasn't quite in shape for watching them when they first came out, either still being in utero, or not yet a twinkle in my mother's eye, or possibly too young to watch an X-rated film (as these were).

So you were "primed" to noticing the agitprop...I thought so. ;)

520 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:50:53pm

re: #510 zombie
The "protests" will keep going. Obama is bad, but I think he is not Stalin, Che, or Hoe (did I spell it right? Hoe Chi Minh?} At least I hope so. Time will tell.

521 Archimedes  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:51:59pm

re: #520 hous bin pharteen

The "protests" will keep going. Obama is bad, but I think he is not Stalin, Che, or Hoe (did I spell it right? Hoe Chi Minh?} At least I hope so. Time will tell.

Thankfully we have lots of people to keep that sort of thing in check. The president isn't a dictator ... yet.

522 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:52:18pm

re: #519 FurryOldGuyJeans
What is agitprop?

523 Macker  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:52:27pm

re: #518 zombie

You can say that again: Instapundit linked to this bumper sticker outlet today:

Disillusioned with Obama.

Let the disillusionment commence!

The disillusionment...the corruption...and the guy hasn't even taken the Oath of Office yet!
Is this not Schadenfreude?

524 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:52:54pm

re: #520 hous bin pharteen

The "protests" will keep going. Obama is bad, but I think he is not Stalin, Che, or Hoe (did I spell it right? Hoe Chi Minh?} At least I hope so. Time will tell.

Ho, actually, even though I think 'Ho is much more appropriate. ;)

525 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:53:06pm

re: #522 shanec99

What is agitprop?

agitate with propaganda

526 Archimedes  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:53:26pm

re: #524 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ho, actually, even though I think 'Ho is much more appropriate. ;)

Those damn hos!

527 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:53:52pm

re: #522 shanec99

What is agitprop?

Agitprop

528 gmsc  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:54:52pm

re: #518 zombie

You can say that again: Instapundit linked to this bumper sticker outlet today:

Disillusioned with Obama.

Let the disillusionment commence!

Does that mean that we're ahead of the curve? After all, we were disillusioned with 0bama before he was even elected!

529 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:54:59pm

a link from "carl in jerusalem"

Fako stories already starting.
Hamas got this one through, but then it got caught.
Wonder why they fact-checked themselves?
Must be tough, seeing the end of a monopoly...

530 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:55:18pm

re: #525 rawmuse

agitate with propaganda

For someone who is trying to claim expertise in world affairs, his not knowing simple terms is rather revealing. ;)

531 Archimedes  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:55:51pm

re: #514 rawmuse

I think that Obama is already drawing fire from his own Left. You may be busier than you think. One element of revolution is that the revolution never ends.

All of these leftists have these endless revolutions in support of reduction in liberties, but the revolution from 1776 had real meaning and real value for men on earth... That revolution ended well.

532 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:56:49pm

re: #527 FurryOldGuyJeans

So the Soviets were using nekkid women to spread propaganda?

533 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 10:59:03pm

I think we Lizards should get one of these for Charles. It would be a hoot.

534 shanec99  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:00:08pm

re: #530 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am not an expert, have never claimed to be one, all I am is a reader of history, I have a lot to learn. What I have read extensively is WWII especially the impact of WWII in shaping modern Africa.

535 wiffersnapper  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:00:37pm

What terror color is higher than Red? I'm sure Homeland Security is taking suggestions starting 2009

536 nightwatch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:02:28pm

Do I do oranges...
or maybe...ORANGES! Hell the NEW YEAR AND ALL!


Maybe back to the cave...

537 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:03:19pm

re: #476 Promethea

On September 12, 2001, the farthest thing from my mind was that I would within a few years come to view the Democrats as traitors and my friends and family as idiots.

/I hope no one from my social circle knows who "Promethea" is.

You echo my thoughts exactly.

And most of my friends are soc-, er, uh, liberals, too.

538 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:04:15pm

re: #521 Archimedes

Yeah, I know. Put the left never knew how really evil and disgusting their politics were. (and are). I, unfortunately, still have an intelligent, but severely stupid, liberal sister. She went to a semi-ivy league collage. I went to a Big Ten university with a scholarship from the government. They paid for my tuitian, while at the same time teaching me how to kill people and break things. It was a blast.

539 NY Nana  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:04:50pm

G'night, all!

Off to sleep as the invasion for the family Hanukka party is this afternoon!

Sweet dreams!

540 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:07:06pm

re: #533 rawmuse
OH...MY...GOD...

IM IN!

541 lifeofthemind  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:09:14pm

re: #517 FurryOldGuyJeans

I find porn boring, especially common 60's porn which has been outstripped by even broadcast TV for what gets shown; but good and effective agitprop is something I like to watch for the artiface.

Concur, Intel Officers tend to be the guys who actually read Marx and Lenin and watch agitprop for fun.

542 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:11:40pm

re: #535 wiffersnapper

What terror color is higher than Red? I'm sure Homeland Security is taking suggestions starting 2009

It is all BS. We will always be orange. They will never move to level: "Panic", and they will never say we are absolutely safe.
"Safe" means they are out of a job, or if an attack occurs, that they were off the mark;
"Panic" means they are not doing their job well enough, and would cause a downturn economically.
We are Orange. We will always be Orange. Less will bring out the kooks, or lead to unemployment, more will mean lead to criticism and chaos. We will be Orange to the end of our days; get used to it.

543 nightwatch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:16:38pm

re: #542 swamprat

Witch is why I drink under the orange tree...simple...yet quaint...

544 nightwatch  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:18:20pm

night to ya...

545 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:18:34pm

re: #533 rawmuse

I think we Lizards should get one of these for Charles. It would be a hoot.

Concur - did you not offer this once before?

I am still a taker.

546 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:18:55pm

re: #542 swamprat

The yellow is for caution. The red for an accident that blocks the way. The geen is for go. My favorite is blue with a yellow stripe. It means "get the fuck out of the way. There is much faster cars behind you. If your not carefull, they are going to run you the hell over."
Sorry everybody. I was always a nut job. But I like it!

547 Bob Dillon  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:19:40pm

re: #539 NY Nana

G'night, all!

Off to sleep as the invasion for the family Hanukka party is this afternoon!

Sweet dreams!

Weet dreams - Nana

548 swamprat  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:22:17pm

re: #546 hous bin pharteen


Sounds like a "stock" answer.

Roundy-de-round, mostly turning left

549 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:37:49pm

re: #548 swamprat

"Stock" answer?
or "Stock Car" answer?
or "Stock Marker" answer?

(sorry. I just could not help it)

550 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Dec 27, 2008 11:39:16pm

Stock Market.
Sorry.
My spelling still sucks. But I am working on it!

551 Totally Berserk  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:23:04am

The Five-Year Plan calls for minimal terroristic activity, comrades! Do not deviate from it and all will be well!

552 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:58:30am
553 jwb7605  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:48:05am

Dave Barry's year in review
He might be kidding.

554 derbigdog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 9:00:03am

re: #389 NelsFree

I earned a 14!

I got a 96 but I may have told an Obama truth or two.

555 path  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 9:07:30am

re: #298 rawmuse
I did even better with a 22.

556 path  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 9:24:51am

re: #404 shanec99
You are SO right! I wish everyone in America felt the same.

557 Arby Dwiar  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:47:25pm

re: #14 Iron Fist

You have just been awarded "Best Post of 12.28.2008" by me.

(OK - so it doesn't mean much - but I appreciate it nonetheless...)


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