Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

Oh, cool, an open thread.
Merry (belated) Christmas, everyone! (And a Happy Hanukkah to our Jewish Lizardoids).

re: #1 rawmuse

Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

I want my antigravity bailout!

re: #1 rawmuse

Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

What is the fine if someone gets caught breaking the law?

Good evening, everyone.

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

What is the fine if someone gets caught breaking the law?

You just go ahead and try it, Mister. We'll see what happens.

re: #5 Noam Sayin'

Good evening, everyone.

Just what's so good about it? ;)

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

What is the fine if someone gets caught breaking the law?

Either way, the perp is brought down.

re: #1 rawmuse

Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

Gravity is neither a good idea nor the law -- it's a misperception by our limited sensory organs of the natural curvature of space-time!

re: #6 Noam Sayin'

You just go ahead and try it, Mister. We'll see what happens.

Who's to say I haven't already done it? All I will say is I ain't be caught, yet. ;)

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

What is the fine if someone gets caught breaking the law?

Eternal fame and unlimited riches!

re: #9 zombie

Gravity is neither a good idea nor the law -- it's a misperception by our limited sensory organs of the natural curvature of space-time!

Nah, the earth just sucks.

re: #11 zombie

Eternal fame and unlimited riches!

I'll just take a small fortune. ;)

With all these new urls to U-tube, don't know if this has been seen. Funny!
[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

re: #11 zombie

Eternal fame and unlimited riches!

Thanks for blowin' it, Zombie. I was hoping to make a buck off of that...

re: #9 zombie

Gravity is neither a good idea nor the law -- it's a misperception by our limited sensory organs of the natural curvature of space-time!

Oh, yeah? Just try losing 15 pounds after age 50.

Zombie, why didn't you attend the hatefest at SF State last October?

It isn't every day a Hollywood movie star is honored for beating up journalists and involvement in a massive firebomb attack.

I wish I could have been there, but I couldn't travel.

re: #12 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nah, the earth just sucks.

does it spit or swallow?

ME BAD

#19 Yochanan -- YOU VERY BAD!

; - ))

wish you all a great night/evening

Hello, I must be going
I'd like to stay but
I just came to say
I must be going.

Evening all. Night shift lurking in. Got a tantalizing hint of a great documentary in the science spinoffs about the "Race to Absolue Zero". It was a youtube link for PBS. Checked the PBS site, but couldn't watch the videos due to me being in Canada. Did find the whole thing on google video though, so I have been. . . . distracted.

/will be distracted for another hour or so, fascinating stuff.
//will link the videos up top shortly, too much for the thread to watch

re: #16 rawmuse

Easy, give up caffeine for starters.

re: #23 BlueCanuck

I'm recording my second viewing of this! I love this program!

re: #23 BlueCanuck

Saw it, absolutely fascinating. The scientists behaved themselves, exchanging tips and good advice as they closed on absolute zero by competing methods.

re: #9 zombie

Gravity is neither a good idea nor the law -- it's a misperception by our limited sensory organs of the natural curvature of space-time!

A bit old, but some light reading for ya, Zombie.

re: #19 yochanan

does it spit or swallow?

ME BAD

If you have to ask you don't want to know. ;)

Actually, my dream of a documentary is one one the invention of the personal computer, one that doesn't ignore people like Garry Kildall, the guy who really did the most to change the world.

re: #24 grassrootsrally

Easy, give up caffeine for starters.

Let's review the list:
Cigarettes
Pot
Booze
Blow
LSD
Crack
Huffing glue
Sugar
White Flour
Pr0n
news programs
and now, caffeine?
Dang, that list is getting long.

re: #29 Mardukhai

CP/M was so much more innovative than MS-DOS; fie on IBM for choosing the worst of the two, and totally crapping on OS/2.

Speaking of which:

What is the flaw in this perpetual motion machine design?

(Note: If there is a flaw at all.)

Take a tank of water about six feet high, like, say, a water-heater. It has no cover on top, and on the bottom is a cylindrical hole lined with high-gloss teflon-coated plastic.

Now imagine a loop of bendable styrofoam, like the kind they make pool exercise toys or flotation devices out of -- it's very lightweight and floats, but is easily bendable.

Now imagine that the loop passes through the hole, goes up the tank of water, out the top, and loops back down outside the tank, and enters the hole at the bottom.

Let it go. What happens?

On one half of the system, the styrofoam floats upward in the tank, pulling the whole loop in one rotational direction. On the other half of the system, the natural wieght of the styrofoam in air pulls it downward -- in the same rotational direction. So that, unlike in most systems where the two halves have forces that cancel each other out, in this case both halves are pulling the same way.

Hence, it will spin and spin and spin on its own.

The drawbacks/problems are these:

The hole must be loose enough to allow the loop to glide through, but tight enough to be at least semi-water-tight. But with modern materials, such as teflon-like plastics, and smooth bendy styrofoam, it is possible with minimal friction.

Also, the loop will be wet when it emerges from the top, thereby dragging some water with it, thus eventually necessitating the tank to be refilled periodically. But the energy required to do so is probably vastly less than the energy of the spinning loop.

Scientists, sharpen your pencils!

Ready, set: debunk!

(Or is it a valid perpetual motion machine design, as some concede?)

re: #17 Mardukhai

Zombie, why didn't you attend the hatefest at SF State last October?

It isn't every day a Hollywood movie star is honored for beating up journalists and involvement in a massive firebomb attack.

I was just too busy! October was a frenzied month for me -- finishing a huge work project. Sorry I missed it!

The Disgusting English Candy Drill (from Gravity's Rainbow):

[Link: foner.www.media.mit.edu...]

Still haven't read "Against the Day" and I'm not sure I will. The Pynchon effort/reward ratio is pretty high.

re: #28 FurryOldGuyJeans

JUST NEED A LAUGH
as i worry if i am not laughing right about now.

Why is booze a strike thru?

re: #36 nightwatch

bad booze
now great booze not a problem

re: #32 zombie

Adding water is adding energy, so no perpetual motion.

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

A bit old, but some light reading for ya, Zombie.

Very interesting!

...and now, the top 10 effects of global warming in 2008:

10. Killer Stingray Invasion

9. Frozen Penguin Babies

8. Black Hawk Down (Happened in 1993, but blamed on global warming in 2008)

7. Shark Attacks

6. Skinny Whales

5. Kidney Stones

4. Pythons Take Over America

3. Beer Gets More Expensive

2. The Death of the Loch Ness Monster

1. Cannibalism

re: #32 zombie

The air trapped inside the loop float will overcome the force of gravity pulling the float down on the outside section of the loop. Motion will not continue.

Then there's the whole water-tight seal at the bottom that could be a problem.

re: #39 zombie

Very interesting!

I thought you might find it so.

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

A bit old, but some light reading for ya, Zombie.

...and here's even more ground-breaking work in understanding of time.
;)

re: #38 FurryOldGuyJeans

Adding water is adding energy, so no perpetual motion.

But the energy require to add the water is likely to be far far less than the energy generated by it.

re: #43 gmsc

Wow, some one needs to follow that person. With a butterfly net.
I seriously distrust people who feel the need to put whole paragraphs of 128 point type in to HTML.

re: #44 zombie

But the energy require to add the water is likely to be far far less than the energy generated by it.

Doesn't matter, adding energy period offsets the perpetual. True perpetual works without adding any energy.

The center of gravity of the foam loop will not remain at the center of the loop, but rather will be pushed towards the side opposite half that is in the tank. Hence the sum of the moments relative to this new axis will rapidly balance to zero, and motion will stop.

Serious,

Booze has settled more conflicts than created. Just look at the last few World Wars my friend...BOOZE is GOOD...at least when it comes to putting WORLD CONFLICTS to bed...check your deep history on the subject. You will be most surprised! Toasting and more toasting!

re: #45 rawmuse

Wow, some one needs to follow that person. With a butterfly net.
I seriously distrust people who feel the need to put whole paragraphs of 128 point type in to HTML.

Anyone that has their entire website on one page is someone I want to avoid, period. The webmaster makes Bedlam inmates look rational in comparison.

re: #45 rawmuse

Wow, some one needs to follow that person. With a butterfly net.
I seriously distrust people who feel the need to put whole paragraphs of 128 point type in to HTML.

Isn't that just the greatest wacko conspiracy theory?

(I saw it on the internet in 128-point type, so it must be true!)

re: #40 gmsc

OUCH,

kidney stones...The version of man having a baby...

And for the techy-donks amongst us:

Cracking a tough nut for the semiconductor industry

re: #51 nightwatch

OUCH,

kidney stones...The version of man having a baby...

Try having kidney stones so large they can't move out into the ducts, but they try for about 5 years. *YOUCH*

re: #41 Racer X

The air trapped inside the loop float will overcome the force of gravity pulling the float down on the outside section of the loop. Motion will not continue.

What? I don't get that objection at all. Even if the styrofoam is 90% trapped air, it's still partly solid material, and so will "fall" down. The trapped air bubbles don't act like helium balloons. If you dropped a piece of styrofoam from your hand, it would fall to the floor, would it not?

Then there's the whole water-tight seal at the bottom that could be a problem.

True, but I'm thinking modern materials science could ovecome the problem.

This design, by the way, was first envisioned in the Victorian era, but the materials of the day made it impossible. But someone realized that the objections to the design "disproving" it back then were no longer valid objections, because new material science made possible what was impossible in the Victorian era.

re: #46 FurryOldGuyJeans

Doesn't matter, adding energy period offsets the perpetual. True perpetual works without adding any energy.

OK, then redefine it as a device that produces more energy than it consumes.

re: #30 rawmuse

Let's review the list:
Cigarettes
Pot
Booze
Blow
LSD
Crack
Huffing glue
Sugar
White Flour
Pr0n
news programs
and now, caffeine?
Dang, that list is getting long.

re: #47 Totally Berserk

The center of gravity of the foam loop will not remain at the center of the loop, but rather will be pushed towards the side opposite half that is in the tank. Hence the sum of the moments relative to this new axis will rapidly balance to zero, and motion will stop.

Explain more clearly, please! I'm not visualizing what will happen according to this theory.

Speaking of bad things, in . . .
Too funny too ignore, but i think Dave misses 24

DECEMBER

. . . the National Bureau of Declaring Things That Make You Go ''Duh'' declares that the nation has been in a recession since December of 2007. The bureau also points out that, according to its statistical analysis, ``for some time now, bears apparently have been going to the bathroom in the woods.''

The CEOs of the Increasingly Small Three auto makers return to Washington to resume pleading for a bailout, this time telling Congress that if they can reach an agreement that day, they will throw in the undercoating, the satellite-radio package AND a set of floor mats. ''We're actually LOSING MONEY on this deal!'' they assure Congress. Finally they reach a $13.4 billion agreement under which the car companies will continue to provide jobs, medical insurance and pension benefits, but will cease producing actual cars. The agreement will be overseen by the federal government, using its legendary ability to keep things on budget.

President-elect Obama, continuing to bring change in the form of fresh-faced Washington outsiders, announces that his secretary of state will be Hillary Clinton. The position of secretary of defense, currently held by Bush appointee Robert Gates, will be filled by Bush appointee Robert Gates. Responding to rumors that he also plans to retain Dick Cheney, Obama insists that he has tried to ask the vice president to leave, ``but nobody knows where he is.''

In other political news, federal authorities arrest Democratic Illinois Gov. Rod ''Rod'' Blagojevich after wiretaps reveal that he was . . . OK, that he was being the governor of Illinois. Everybody is very, very shocked. Meanwhile the recount in the extremely tight Minnesota Senate race between Norm Coleman and Al Franken is thrown into disarray with the discovery that more than 13,000 of the ballots were cast by residents of Palm Beach County, Fla.

But the economy remains the dominant issue, with retailers reporting weak holiday sales as many shoppers pass up pricier gifts such as jewelry and big-screen TVs in favor of toilet paper and jerky. As the year draws to a close, the president's Council of Economic Advisers warns that the current recession ''could spiral downward into a full-blown depression,'' leaving the U.S. with ``no viable economic option but to declare war on Japan.''

In another troubling note, U.S. intelligence sources report that Iran is developing ``a gigantic rocket-powered shoe.''

Adding to the year-end gloom is a congressionally appointed bipartisan commission on terrorism, which releases a troubling report asserting that there is an 80 percent chance that within the next two years, a major U.S. city will be struck, with devastating consequences, by ``an 18,000 mile-per-hour tool bag from space.''

The point is, if you have any money left, you should spend it soon.

And happy New Year.

re: #43 gmsc

Whoever owns this blog needs their vision examined.

Space goes on forever.

Except for that brick wall that ends forever.

Problem is, something is on the other side of that brick wall.

Nobody knows what it is.

Probably just more of that forever stuff.

re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans

Damn...there is a pill used for prostate issues that is an "out of the box"
cure for the BIG stones...YES...YES FLOMAX! 0.4mg twice a day!
Spare ya the scope for even the stuck stones (unless they be HUGH)

re: #59 Cheechako

Whoever owns this blog needs their vision examined.

They need their internet access revoked. ;)

re: #32 zombie

Sorry, zombie. Can't buy it. The friction required to keep water from leaking out the bottom of this engine would overcome any possible energy created by the buoyancy of the foam or gravity acting on the rest of it. Plus, I think the foam tube would be in stasis since an equal amount of its mass exists outside the water as contained therein - for every action, there must be an equal and opposite reaction.

Check out Dr. Pericone on cortisol levels. He's been on KPBS.

re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans

They need their internet access revoked. ;)

Yeah, but then he'd see that as a conspiracy against the cubic 4-Day wisdom by the believers of the queer white god...er sumpin'.

Hi there lizards, just stopping by for a couple of drive-by posts.

Noam, I "pretended" to tackle Sage for ya the other night. He got it.

We were all together at a party tonight, much fun and great food.

re: #32 zombie

Dear Zomb;

This won't work.

For reasons which are spectacularly non-intuitive:

You have to do work to push the styrofoam into that hole in the bottom of the fluid filled container. Even if there's no friction, etc.

What there is, is water pressure on the other side of the hole, and even though the styrofoam is continuous in the water from the hole to the surface, you have to push the styrofoam in against that water pressure.

The work you have to do to push it in is exactly equal (ignoring friction, etc) to the work the styrofoam does in floating upward, so the perpetiual motion machine doesn't perpetually mote.

Sorry.

re: #61 nightwatch

Damn...there is a pill used for prostate issues that is an "out of the box"
cure for the BIG stones...YES...YES FLOMAX! 0.4mg twice a day!
Spare ya the scope for even the stuck stones (unless they be HUGH)

Flomax wasn't around in the last 80's, at least not from that cursed brown-nosing veterinarian school graduate Naval flight surgeon; and yes, they were HUGE. Large enough they permanently crippled kidney function before I had lithotripsy.

re: #59 Cheechako

No one OWNS this thread, we just Co-Opt each other (respectfully)...till we get tired of posting or a NEW THREAD evolves...just my view...

re: #67 thelongblogger

You got it. The water would be trying to shove the styrofoam back out the hole.

Where Is New Horizons?

The computer-generated images below are simulated views of New Horizons' location in the solar system...

What Is an AU? The graphics on these pages note New Horizons' distance from Earth, Jupiter and Pluto in AU, or Astronomical Units. One AU is the average distance between the Sun and Earth, about 93 million miles or 149.6 million kilometers.

It you turned on a light and aimed it back toward Earth it would take 100 minutes for New Horizons light to reach Earth. It takes sunlight 8 minutes to reach earth.

re: #65 gmsc

Yeah, but then he'd see that as a conspiracy against the cubic 4-Day wisdom by the believers of the queer white god...er sumpin'.

As long as I don't have to be subjected to the ranting I am perfectly copasetic with his blathering about conspiracies. ;)

re: #69 nightwatch

No one OWNS this thread, we just Co-Opt each other (respectfully)...till we get tired of posting or a NEW THREAD evolves...just my view...

He was referring to whomever own timecube.com.

re: #57 zombie

In a normal wheel, with the spokes at the center, and the center of gravity of the wheel at the center, the time which the wheel spins when subjected to a push is dependent on the frictionlessness of the bearings. In other words, the center of the wheel coincides with its center of gravity, and no force impedes its rotation, except that of (a) friction at the bearing, and (b) friction in the air.

Now picture the loop as a wheel. (I may need to drag out some sort of drawing software and make an illustration?) The center of gravity does not remain at the center of the wheel-loop, because the left-hand side (the side in the tank) weighs less that the right-hand side (the side outside the tank) so now the loop wants to rotate about this new axis, which is pushed to the right. The exact location of the new center of gravity will be such that the force of rotation on the left side (being the sum of the moments of part of the wheel in the tank, which push it up, added to the parts of the wheel not in the tank but left of the axis, pushing down) will balance with the sum of the moments on the right-hand side, which push entirely down, hence the sum of the moments is zero, which is the basis of statics.

If we somehow could make spokes on this wheel, and sever the connection to the wheel's rim just as it goes in the tank, and re-connect it just as it leaves the tank, maybe we'd be onto something. Sounds easy enough, right?

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

X Corpsman...80's...and...most sorry...:{

re: #69 nightwatch

No one OWNS this thread, we just Co-Opt each other (respectfully)...till we get tired of posting or a NEW THREAD evolves...just my view...

It was a rather poor choice of wording, but I do believe he meant the owner of the timecube website, not lgf.

re: #66 Pvt Bin Jammin

Sweet.

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

It was a rather poor choice of wording, but I do believe he meant the owner of the timecube website, not lgf.

Well the Ebay bidding on this thread is now .7 cents...:)

re: #73 gmsc

Work is...very tough, lots of very sad cases in the E D this time of year...which is why I post little if at all...

re: #77 Noam Sayin'

Sweet.

Wish we could all party with you!

re: #75 nightwatch

X Corpsman...80's...and...most sorry...:{

Kept getting accused of malingering by that cow-plop for brains flight surgeon. "Too big to move," he said. Yet, I kept getting referred to him by other officers because I kept passing out from the pain and the vomiting of bile.

When I was finally seen by an Army full-bird colonel urologist, the urologist "wrote up" my command doctor (the flight surgeon) for dereliction of duty. I was told if I had waited even one more month I probably would have lost both kidneys.

re: #78 Dustyvet

Well the Ebay bidding on this thread is now .7 cents...:)

Too expensive by at least double! ;)

re: #79 nightwatch

Work is...very tough, lots of very sad cases in the E D this time of year...which is why I post little if at all...

Ummm, E D ?

re: #33 zombie

Zombie, I'm outlining a book about my adventures up there when I was 19, much too young to be a history maker.

re: #80 Pvt Bin Jammin

Wish we could all party with you!

Maybe I come out for a visit one of these days. I've got my sights set on Puerto Rico for my next vacation, but if I got a cheap flight out there, and Sage would let me crash on his couch, it's doable.

Random Thoughts for December 2008
by Thomas Sowell

Read the whole thing. Below are some of my favorite quotes from the piece:

Maybe the current bailout fever is Congress' way of getting into the spirit of the season-- saying in effect, "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus." They will undoubtedly also be saying, "Yes, New Jersey, there is a Santa Claus... Yes, Ohio, there is a Santa Claus. . ."

An e-mail from a reader whose job requires him to take urine tests, to make sure he is drug-free, wonders why he is taxed to provide money to people on welfare who are also on drugs. He thinks they should have to take urine tests too, before they get his money.

Ronald Reagan had a vision of America. Barack Obama has a vision of Barack Obama.

re: #67 thelongblogger

This perpetual motion machine tries to take advantage of the energy imparted by moving a medium-density object from a high-density environment to a low-density environment. Unfortunately, it takes exactly the same amount of energy to get the medium-density object back into the high-density environment as you get by letting it escape originally. The force of gravity is a red herring -- it acts on both sides of the styrofoam wheel equally and can be ignored.

re: #54 zombie

What? I don't get that objection at all. Even if the styrofoam is 90% trapped air, it's still partly solid material, and so will "fall" down. The trapped air bubbles don't act like helium balloons. If you dropped a piece of styrofoam from your hand, it would fall to the floor, would it not?

Sorry - I was not clear. The buoyancy of the trapped air on the liquid side of the loop would overcome the gravity side.

re: #85 Noam Sayin'

Maybe I come out for a visit one of these days. I've got my sights set on Puerto Rico for my next vacation, but if I got a cheap flight out there, and Sage would let me crash on his couch, it's doable.

Come on out! I have feelers out for a bottle of "Mescal" for the Sage. LOL That stuff is hard to find. I've had a friend looking for three weeks.

From Plan 9 to Pynchon... Crikey!

re: #33 zombie

It would have been cool if you had gone. Pictures of those scoundrels getting laurels...

re: #87 stevieray

Indeed.

And the reason this whole thing is so non-intuitive is that most people have never given any thought to how buoyancy actually works.

It's kind of like 'centrifugal' force: There really isn't any such thing as 'buoyancy', only water pressure acting on submerged objects.

The object does nothing and has no 'buoyant' force - the water pressure pushes it.

re: #88 Racer X

Sorry - I was not clear. The buoyancy of the trapped air on the liquid side of the loop would overcome the gravity side.

But they're both pulling in the same direction. I still don't understand this particular objection.

For some reason I find this to be somewhat unsettling:

Snails and humans use same genes to tell right from left

re: #91 Mardukhai

It would have been cool if you had gone. Pictures of those scoundrels getting laurels...

Sorry! I do sometimes feel the responsibility for being the "citizen journalist of record" for stuff in the Bay Area, but then I remember -- I'm only human, and have a life to lead! So I can't be at every event. I've missed plenty of things I regret having missed.

Nite, Lizards. Take care.

I could be wrong though. I'm suddenly having a hard time seeing how the force of bouyancy can work on something if the fluid cannot get underneath it to counteract the lower density. IOW if you were to push a glass down into a bowl filled with water, and could seal out any water from getting underneath the glass to push it up, I am surmising that it would stay stuck there. At normal atmospheric pressure that is. Or normal gravity I can't figure out which.

Heh. Good question though.

re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans

For some reason I find this to be somewhat unsettling:

Snails and humans use same genes to tell right from left

So, snails put their hand over their heart and say, "I pledge allegiance..." like me? That's the way I figure it out...

re: #78 Dustyvet

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

Did I mis-speak? Posting is CONVERSATION with people of like minded or differing points of VIEW. That is the reason we post here? The give and take is what draws us to this site is it not? Charles set this up just ...so...we could a have a place for conversation on so many different topics and levels. I do like this site, even though I have been a bit of an ASS in past posts, it remains for me on of my most FAV sites. Actually, the ONLY site I post on these days...truth said.

Goodnight Lizards. I just got back from a fabulous party for my father's 90th birthday party. No celebrities were there, just a bunch of relatives and my parent's closest and dearest friends. It was just to freaking sweet. My kids, especially my son's bride of 7 weeks, all had a real blast. The food was great, and everyone was happy.

And now, I'm just pooped.

re: #95 zombie

"citizen journalist of record"

You are hereby promoted to Lizard Of Record

re 95
thought you were undead
how do you have a "life"

re: #63 Noam Sayin'

re: #67 thelongblogger

re: #74 Totally Berserk

re: #88 Racer X

Notice how, in these four comments, there are four "definite" disproofs of the machine's viability -- but none of the four agree with each other, and some are mutually contradictory.

This always happens when I bring up this design: everyone is quite sure it won't work, but everyone's stated reason is different from everyone else's!

Actually, the best refutation I ever heard has not yet been elucidated here. And that explanation precludes all but one of the ones put forth on this thread!

Keep in kind that I did not come up with this design -- the fundamentals were concocted over 100 years ago, and were refined fairly recently.

re: #99 nightwatch

Someone is in need of a sarcasm transfusion, stat! ;)

re: #98 stevieray

So, snails put their hand over their heart and say, "I pledge allegiance..." like me? That's the way I figure it out...

I still remember the way I was taught right from left: Put both your hands palms away from you (so you're looking at the backs of your hands), with the thumbs pointing towards each other. Now, which hand makes an 'L'? That's your left hand!

(Incidentally, that helped me remember that L in Roman Numerals is 50, too!)

re: #83 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sorry,

Emergency Department...I'm an LVNII 25+ years

re: #106 nightwatch

Sorry,

Emergency Department...I'm an LVNII 25+ years

Oh joy, more gobbledygook acronyms! ;)

re: #99 nightwatch

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

Did I mis-speak? Posting is CONVERSATION with people of like minded or differing points of VIEW. That is the reason we post here? The give and take is what draws us to this site is it not? Charles set this up just ...so...we could a have a place for conversation on so many different topics and levels. I do like this site, even though I have been a bit of an ASS in past posts, it remains for me on of my most FAV sites. Actually, the ONLY site I post on these days...truth said.

I was being funny, remark was not ment for you in general...otays?

re: #106 nightwatch

Sorry,

Emergency Department...I'm an LVNII 25+ years

That can't be right. I don't know my Roman numerals well enough to know what "N" is, but LVII is already 57 . . .
;)

I, II. III. IV, V, VI, VII, 8, 9,...10...:)

re: #92 thelongblogger

re: #87 stevieray

When I was a kid we actually did a "science" experiment that demonstrated this a little bit.

Get a deep container with a smooth, flat bottom. Then get a short cup/tumbler and place on the bottom with a whatever trapped air you can get. If you can get the seal tight enough to prevent water from getting "under" the tumbler too easily then it won't float to the top... the pressure will all be on the top/side with nothing underneath to cause it to rise.

Basically, a rigid material suction cup.

re: #106 nightwatch

Sorry,

Emergency Department...I'm an LVNII 25+ years

re: #107 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh joy, more gobbledygook acronyms! ;)

It means nightwatch has suffered from Left Ventricular Noncompactions - 2 (II) of them, to be precise.

re: #108 Dustyvet

I was being funny, remark was not ment for you in general...otays?

Someone is going through sarcasm withdrawal symptoms. ;)

re: #107 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sorrry again,

Nurse not RN one level below...that help?

re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans

Someone is going through sarcasm withdrawal symptoms. ;)

Yeah, I noticed...:)

re: #97 Totally Berserk

I could be wrong though. I'm suddenly having a hard time seeing how the force of bouyancy can work on something if the fluid cannot get underneath it to counteract the lower density. IOW if you were to push a glass down into a bowl filled with water, and could seal out any water from getting underneath the glass to push it up, I am surmising that it would stay stuck there.

That is actually closest to the "true" refutation. Apparently, according to fluid dynamics, there would be no buoyancy at all with this precise design.

HOWEVER, there is yet another refined design that overcomes that problem, as well as Totally Berserk's "off-center" flaw pointed out in #74:

The styrofoam loop could actually be made out of a series of undulating ins-and-outs, instead of a straight tube, and these "bumps" could fit into essentially gear-pulleys at the top and bottom to keep the whole thing centered. While this fixes the lack-of-bouyancy problem and the going-off-center problem, it creates a new problem with keeping the water-tight seal at the bottom; but once again new materials can solve it, with an expandable stretchy seal that "grips" the sides of the smoothly-going-in-and-out tube, enough to prevent much leakage without hopefully too much friction. But in this scenario, the "grip" may need to be too tight, tight enough to prevent free rotation.

re: #110 Dustyvet

I, II. III. IV, V, VI, VII, 8, 9,...10...:)

Then why do a lot of Roman Numeral clocks have III for 4 instead of IV?

re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then why do a lot of Roman Numeral clocks have III for 4 instead of IV?

I blame the Ju's.
;)

re: #114 nightwatch

Sorrry again,

Nurse not RN one level below...that help?

Oh, so almost a doctor, eh? ;)

re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then why do a lot of Roman Numeral clocks have III for 4 instead of IV?

Hey I spend a lot of time at the VA Hospital and I happen to like IV's...ROFLMAO...:)

re: #118 gmsc

I blame the Ju's.
;)

You are more right than I think you know.

re: #103 zombie

Well, how about we solve this problem empirically?

It would be easy enough to build an experimental set up: all we would have to do is replace the tiny stretch of the styrofoam that goes through the hole in the bottom of the tank with a rod of equal density but solid, so that it could seal perfectly in the sides of the hole, with the water forming the lubricating fluid, and exactly the right size gap between the rod and the hole so that capillary tension kept the water from leaking out.

Bet you someone has already done it...

re: #120 Dustyvet

Hey I spend a lot of time at the VA Hospital and I happen to like IV's...ROFLMAO...:)

I spend a bit of time now and then at the local VA hospital, and I prefer NOT having the danged things. ;)

re: #121 FurryOldGuyJeans

You are more right than I think you know.

No, I made that joke because I know exactly why, but didn't want to give it away too soon.

re: #124 gmsc

No, I made that joke because I know exactly why, but didn't want to give it away too soon.

Cheeky bugger! ;)

re: #112 gmsc

Hey...I give righteous care to my patients...can YOU start an I V line on a 7 day old infant?...

re: #116 zombie

Nope.

You still have to do work to get the buoyant stuff into the hole in the bottom of the container - no matter what shape it is.

There is evidence that William Tell and his family were avid bowlers, but unfortunately all the league records were destroyed in a fire.
Thus we'll sadly never know for whom the Tells bowled.

re: #122 thelongblogger

Well, how about we solve this problem empirically?

It would be easy enough to build an experimental set up: all we would have to do is replace the tiny stretch of the styrofoam that goes through the hole in the bottom of the tank with a rod of equal density but solid, so that it could seal perfectly in the sides of the hole, with the water forming the lubricating fluid, and exactly the right size gap between the rod and the hole so that capillary tension kept the water from leaking out.

Bet you someone has already done it...

I would be very interested to see the results!

I'm completely lame at constructing mechanical things, so you can count me out as far as building it myself...

re: #127 thelongblogger

Nope.

You still have to do work to get the buoyant stuff into the hole in the bottom of the container - no matter what shape it is.

Plus you are going to get turbulence from the friction as the fluid travels through the container which converts the energy of the system to unusable heat radiation.

re: #127 thelongblogger

Nope.

You still have to do work to get the buoyant stuff into the hole in the bottom of the container - no matter what shape it is.

I can't visualize how it would take work to fit stuff into the hole in the bottom, because the column of styrofoam underwater at any given time is always the same, so no water needs to be displaced or pushed up.

re: #126 nightwatch

Hey...I give righteous care to my patients...can YOU start an I V line on a 7 day old infant?...

Boy, you make one noncompaction joke, and they turn on you!

Yes, I know LVN = Licensed Vocational Nurse (Of course, that title presents a problem here in Las Vegas. What do you call them here? LVLVNs?)

A pig lived in a very run-down pig-house.
He looked up one night at the gaping holes in the roof, and said "Look at all the scars in the sty."

re: #132 gmsc

Boy, you make one noncompaction joke, and they turn on you!

Yes, I know LVN = Licensed Vocational Nurse (Of course, that title presents a problem here in Las Vegas. What do you call them here? LVLVNs?)

Someone needs a sarcasm transplant, but quick! ;)

re: #127 thelongblogger

Nope.

You still have to do work to get the buoyant stuff into the hole in the bottom of the container - no matter what shape it is.

You're correct. I don't know about Zombie's claim about "best refutation"... the lack of buoyancy is caused by equal and opposing forces.

re: #133 Dustyvet

A pig lived in a very run-down pig-house.
He looked up one night at the gaping holes in the roof, and said "Look at all the scars in the sty."

*THUMP*

*thump-thump-thump-thump-thump*

re: #130 FurryOldGuyJeans

Plus you are going to get turbulence from the friction as the fluid travels through the container which converts the energy of the system to unusable heat radiation.

Who says it's unusable!

In addition to the rotating wheel powering a generator, the heated up water can be used as a temperature diferential to power some of those "drinking bird" type doohickeys that rock back and forth when the liquid inside is raised by just a few degrees.

There are also other subtle ways to derive energy from temperature differentials like that.

re: #130 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well yes, but the fundamental rule of explaining away perpetual motion machines is that you have to asume friction can be reduced to irrelevant levels.

Otherwise, the idiots believe that their devices would work if they could only build them better.

I once knew a fellow whose uncle built 'perpetual motion' machines for decades. Each one had less friction and rotated longer than the last. I believe he died thinking he would someday succeed...

re: #134 FurryOldGuyJeans

Someone needs a sarcasm transplant, but quick! ;)

Makes me glad I didn't go with the first joke that came to mind when I saw "LVN". The whole "Louis Vuitton" thing was too tough to work in, anyway.

re: #132 gmsc

Thought of going to NEV. at one point but they would except my NAV. training, only excepted ARMY...go figure

re: #137 zombie

Who says it's unusable!

In addition to the rotating wheel powering a generator, the heated up water can be used as a temperature diferential to power some of those "drinking bird" type doohickeys that rock back and forth when the liquid inside is raised by just a few degrees.

There are also other subtle ways to derive energy from temperature differentials like that.

You take energy away from the system by any means and that makes it unusable for the purposes of perpetual motion. Plus you are introducing turbulence which restricts the flow of the fluid.

Ack, I can't explain things worth a poop.

Boy, get distracted for an hour plus and people try to break the laws of thermodynamics. Zombie one reason why that device won't work is friction. Yes friction. Even though water seems like a lubricant there is still friction between it and the "noodle" this would be one of the many factors in slowing down motion to a dead stop. No matter how good the materials are there will still be some friction where two materials meet, and with the water you are talking three materials. Hate to burst bubbles but we can't make a perpetual motion machine.

re: #136 FurryOldGuyJeans

*THUMP*

*thump-thump-thump-thump-thump*

I got knots on me head...:)

re: #138 thelongblogger

Well yes, but the fundamental rule of explaining away perpetual motion machines is that you have to asume friction can be reduced to irrelevant levels.

Otherwise, the idiots believe that their devices would work if they could only build them better.

I once knew a fellow whose uncle built 'perpetual motion' machines for decades. Each one had less friction and rotated longer than the last. I believe he died thinking he would someday succeed...

ANY amount of friction is relevant, but then I believe you already know this. ;)

re: #143 Dustyvet

I got knots on me head...:)

Watch out for woodpeckers then! ;)

re: #142 BlueCanuck

Hate to burst bubbles but we can't make a perpetual motion machine.

Oh, we can make them. They just won't function as such.

A HA!

I just found the original Victorian design:

Chain Pump perpetual motion machine.

Now, imagine that, but not made of metal, and not with discrete spheres, but a smooth styrofoam loop, possibly undulating; and lacking the complicated mechanism at the bottom.

re: #145 FurryOldGuyJeans

Watch out for woodpeckers then! ;)

We won't talk about the bats in the belfry...:)

re: #146 gmsc

Oh, we can make them. They just won't function as such.

If they don't function as one, then they ain't one. I could call an apple a potato, but the rest of the world would think I'm crazy.

re: #131 zombie

I can't visualize how it would take work to fit stuff into the hole in the bottom, because the column of styrofoam underwater at any given time is always the same, so no water needs to be displaced or pushed up.

Many years ago, when I was even more of an a**hole than I am now, I was sitting in a restaurant talking to a very talented sailboat racer who couldn't understand how sailboats go upwind (something he did every day.)

At some point I realized the problem went further and I asked him if he knew why boats floated. He answered "Because they displace water."

So I moved my water glass from one side of my plate to the other and I said "I just displaced water. Am I floating?"

As I said above -- nothing is 'buoyant' . And as I showed at that restaurant the question of whether water is displaced is irrelevant.

Focus on the water. Where does it push on the styrofoam? In what direction? How hard?

re: #148 Dustyvet

We won't talk about the bats in the belfry...:)

You looking to tie up some loose brain cells? ;)

re: #146 gmsc

Oh, we can make them. They just won't function as such.

Yes we can, a Slinkie on an escalator...

Night Gents...

re: #152 Dustyvet

Yes we can, a Slinkie on an escalator...

Adding external energy to the system.

re: #103 zombie

re: #67 thelongblogger

re: #74 Totally Berserk

re: #88 Racer X

Notice how, in these four comments, there are four "definite" disproofs of the machine's viability -- but none of the four agree with each other, and some are mutually contradictory.

This always happens when I bring up this design: everyone is quite sure it won't work, but everyone's stated reason is different from everyone else's!

Actually, the best refutation I ever heard has not yet been elucidated here. And that explanation precludes all but one of the ones put forth on this thread!

Keep in kind that I did not come up with this design -- the fundamentals were concocted over 100 years ago, and were refined fairly recently.

I must disagree yet again. I thought my explanation was merely a dumbed-down version of Totally Berzerk's, which I'll hold up as the definitive rebuttal. Furthermore, your premise ignores what longblogger notes in #67, that it is the water pressure itself that acts on the buoyancy of an object or substance that gives it its buoyant property. Given that, certainly a solid mass, consider the ground on which we walk, provides more of that buoyant property. Lay your styrofoam tube in the water, and no matter how buoyant it might be, it will displace some water. Lay that same piece of styrofoam on the ground, and it will merely make a very slight depression in the dirt - also proving its displacement.

Are you fucking with us?

;)

re: #147 zombie

Where all perpetual motion machines break down is in the drive shaft. In order to get anything useful out the machine it has to connect to something else to generate power. Oft times the friction overcomes the motion and grinds the device to a halt. Newer materials, slicker materials only delay the inevitable. One good example is the old generators for bikes that was driven by the front wheel. Unwieldy as all get out and a pain to bike. Newer devices are out there that do the same thing, but it still requires more energy then a non generating hub. Saw a youtube vid where a guy discusses this when he made a light generator out of his hamsters exercise wheel. Too many magnets and the wheel could not be turned by his hamster.

re: #142 BlueCanuck

Boy, get distracted for an hour plus and people try to break the laws of thermodynamics. Zombie one reason why that device won't work is friction. Yes friction. Even though water seems like a lubricant there is still friction between it and the "noodle" this would be one of the many factors in slowing down motion to a dead stop. No matter how good the materials are there will still be some friction where two materials meet, and with the water you are talking three materials. Hate to burst bubbles but we can't make a perpetual motion machine.

OK, add "friction" to the growing list of mutually contradicting refutations!

re: #156 BlueCanuck

Where all perpetual motion machines break down is in the drive shaft. In order to get anything useful out the machine it has to connect to something else to generate power. Oft times the friction overcomes the motion and grinds the device to a halt. Newer materials, slicker materials only delay the inevitable. One good example is the old generators for bikes that was driven by the front wheel. Unwieldy as all get out and a pain to bike. Newer devices are out there that do the same thing, but it still requires more energy then a non generating hub. Saw a youtube vid where a guy discusses this when he made a light generator out of his hamsters exercise wheel. Too many magnets and the wheel could not be turned by his hamster.

Entropy

re: #157 zombie

OK, add "friction" to the growing list of mutually contradicting refutations!

The other refutations are just blind men describing the friction elephant.

re: #159 FurryOldGuyJeans

The other refutations are just blind men describing the friction elephant.

*PIMF!*

The other refutations are just blind men describing single parts of the entire friction elephant.

Newtons laws of motion. Can't remember which one. An object in motion will remain in motion until acted upon by another force. Two common forces that effect motion are gravity, and friction.

This is fun. Haven't stretched my mind like this in a long time.

/please sir, can I have some more?

re: #152 Dustyvet

Yes we can, a Slinkie on an escalator...

That thought just scares me.

No, not the "Slinky on an escalator" part - the "Yes we can" part!

re: #161 BlueCanuck

Newtons laws of motion. Can't remember which one. An object in motion will remain in motion until acted upon by another force. Two common forces that effect motion are gravity, and friction.

And external to the system addition of energy, such as sunlight.

re: #131 zombie

I can't visualize how it would take work to fit stuff into the hole in the bottom, because the column of styrofoam underwater at any given time is always the same, so no water needs to be displaced or pushed up.

Which is the rub for the whole idea... "bouyancy" is essentially just an unequally pressurized fluid moving an object of relatively static volume/density towards equilibrium within that fluid. It does this by displacing the static object with higher pressure fluid and forcing the object to displace lower pressure fluid. If nothing is being displaced, the object has essentially reached equilibrium and "bouyancy" will no longer result in motion.

Hope that sort of sums it up decently...

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The family of Sahar Daftary, 23, have revealed that she lost her baby two months after she wed businessman Rashid Jamil.

They say she had found out that Jamil was already married under Muslim law and living with marketing executive Narhisa Amjad, 29, the mother of his two children.

re: #162 BlueCanuck

This is fun. Haven't stretched my mind like this in a long time.

/please sir, can I have some more?

And I am sitting here watching Howard The Duck on Hulu...;)

re: #167 Dustyvet

And I am sitting here watching Howard The Duck on Hulu...;)

Oh Lawdy, Brain Shrivel Time! ;)

re: #168 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh Lawdy, Brain Shrivel Time! ;)

You got that right, who filmed this thing?

re: #155 Noam Sayin'

Are you fucking with us?

re: #142 BlueCanuck

Hate to burst bubbles but we can't make a perpetual motion machine.

Wait, people are seemingly thinking that I am advocating the reality and viability of this perpetual motion machine design.

Whoa Nellie!

All I am doing is presenting an intellectual challenge. I make no claims myself as to whether or not it works. Hell, I do not have a degree in physics or anything even close, so I have no real standing to discuss the issue at all. I just find it an interesting topic!

re: #155 Noam Sayin'

Are you fucking with us?

;)

Dear Noam;

I'm sure the great Zombie is not "fucking with us". (I would never use such language about the zomb)

I never cease to be amazed at how many otherwise intellegent and funtional people can't understand the most basic priciples if mechanics, much less physics. But so it is...

re: #169 Dustyvet

You got that right, who filmed this thing?

Willard Huyck was the director but George Lucas was Executive Producer, his first movie that "laid an egg."

re: #152 Dustyvet

Yes we can, a Slinkie on an escalator...

Then again, there's the Panama Canal, which powers itself (a man, a plan, a canal, panama) and is really cool and all that, but it does rely on the energy input by the rain falling at the top of the system.

Hmm...

re: #147 zombie

But what force is going to pull the bottom ball up into the fluid?

re: #170 zombie

re: #171 thelongblogger

Chill, both of you. It's me, Noam. You know I luvs ya. That line was meant in jest.

I was looking for a video or audio clip of Homer Simpson, actually:

"Young lady, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

Three am, here. Must turn in.

re: #170 zombie

It's good to know that. But it's still a good exercise of what good and bad science is. Fortunately we have all had adequate schooling for most of us that post here. And knowing why something doesn't work and trying to explain why is good exercise. Like I said, I like stretching the old gray matter. Keeps it fresh.

/wait one second. . . .

Sleep time!

Try not to destroy the underpinnings of the universe while I'm gone... I've got things to do tomorrow, and I don't want to do them in a timeless, spaceless void!

Good night

re: #174 Totally Berserk

But what force is going to pull the bottom ball up into the fluid?

The attraction for an opposite sexed ball? ;)

re: #177 stevieray

Sleep time!

Try not to destroy the underpinnings of the universe while I'm gone... I've got things to do tomorrow, and I don't want to do them in a timeless, spaceless void!

Good night

But if that happens then you have no time and no where to do it. Where's the downside. Time is no longer a problem, and you are always where you need to be.

re: #165 Unboldened

Which is the rub for the whole idea... "bouyancy" is essentially just an unequally pressurized fluid moving an object of relatively static volume/density towards equilibrium within that fluid. It does this by displacing the static object with higher pressure fluid and forcing the object to displace lower pressure fluid. If nothing is being displaced, the object has essentially reached equilibrium and "bouyancy" will no longer result in motion.

Hope that sort of sums it up decently...

That's pretty close to [half of] the "definitive" refutation I once heard. Basically, there are two requirements for the machine to work, but you can never have both at the same time. In order for there to be bouyancy at all, you can't have a continuous column of styrofoam (or any other material), because if the column is continuous, there's no way for the water to ever get "underneath" the lower-density stuff, and thus it will never be pushed upwards. So, to avoid that problem, you make the rotating material be non-uniform in some way (e.g. like "floats" in the original design). But then you encounter the "need to push the rotating stuff into the bottom hole" problem, which entails displacing the entire volume of water upward just to squeeze one float in the bottom, etc. Hence, you either have a bouyancy problem, or a water-pressure-at-the-bottom problem, and each attempt to solve one only makes the other worse. The end result: stasis.

re: #177 stevieray

Sleep time!

Try not to destroy the underpinnings of the universe while I'm gone... I've got things to do tomorrow, and I don't want to do them in a timeless, spaceless void!

Good night

Good night, stevieray!

Q: What did god do before he created the universe?

A: He was busy figuring out when to start time and where to put space.

Well, I'm out, as well!

Good night!

Try the veal!

re: #95 zombie

I'm only human

Say it ain't so, Z!

re: #181 gmsc

Try the veal!

Veal makes me gassy. ;)

I popped out at half time during this Gaza war to get some more candy coated popcorn. Now I'm back ... whats the score?

re: #180 zombie

An interesting way of saying what I (and stevieray and unboldened) have been saying. Only not as elegant. And with more 'hand waving'.

That's the problem with discussions on the web:

"On the web, no one knows you're a dog". But then, on the web, no one knows you're a god, either.

On which note, I too am going to bed.

Like Zombie, I am only human.

I guess a good refutation drained everyone. *sigh* I hope some of the early morning crew shows up soon.

Night, lovely thinking people.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if littleoldlady will be online this morning?

Hello? Anyone there?

re: #188 BlueCanuck

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if littleoldlady will be online this morning?

Morning Lizards. Are you serving fruitcup this am. Blue?

re: #189 BlueCanuck

Hello? Anyone there?

I think evereyones brain exploded.

re: #190 Erik The Red

Looks like it, and with all the exploding brains I am safe from zombie.

/*whew*

re: #180 zombie

I think that's pretty much the explanation wot us buoyancy-haters were envisioning. What's the other half of the refutation? Or do we have to keep working for it? I'll check back in a few hours to see where this has gone. :-)

Thanks for that web-site, btw. Cool collection of perp-mote ideas.

Blue I have a video from a comedian I like it is very crude and language is very bad. It asks a question about Canada and I was wondering if it is true or not. Would you be offended if I post it?

re: #194 Erik The Red

Go ahead and post it. I tend not to get offended by comedians. Well unless they are really stupid and unfunny.

The concept of Perpetual Motion has always been fascinating.

Here are a few free-energy magnetic motor experiments designed to tickle the imagination:

Very simplified non-working demo of necessary magnet layout and design:

Australian Magnetic Motor Electric Generator -- Lutec Australia, Ltd

Comments?
.

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Kevin Bloody Wilson "You can't say c__t in Canada"
NSFW +18 Language.

re: #197 Erik The Red

ROFLMAO, I have heard only about half those expressions. And no it's not true at all. But it is pretty damn rude to say. :D

re: #198 BlueCanuck

Your vocab. is better than mine. I have never heard of most of them. KW is very crude and rude but I always LMAO at most of his stuff.

I killed the thread with that video. oops.

re: #194 Erik The Red

Blue I have a video from a comedian I like it is very crude and language is very bad. It asks a question about Canada and I was wondering if it is true or not. Would you be offended if I post it?

i'd be offended if you didn't...

/worried about canuckistan?

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Go ahead and post it. I tend not to get offended by comedians. Well unless they are really stupid and unfunny.

and yet, you read the LNDT's...

/thanks!

re: #202 redc1c4

and yet, you read the LNDT's...

/thanks!

You on friutcup duty red?

Fruitcup over there...>
Help yourself

fruitcupbonaza over here --->

blenders, shakers, smoothies... hep yo sef!

I washed my hands I promise.

re: #204 Erik The Red

Fruitcup over there...>
Help yourself

Hey...thanks... but I just had some fruitcake in the belief that LOL would not be able to visit us tonight!

re: #205ta redc1c4

fruitcupbonaza over here --->

blenders, shakers, smoothies... hep yo sef!

Yours sounds better than mine. You have rum?

uh-oh! It looks like redc1c4 only thought about washing hands, after - if at all. ;)

Mornin folks.

Where are all the regular insomniacs?

re: #173 gmsc

So much for idea, I guess I'll just slink away...:)

re: #204 Erik The Red

Thanks Erik, got tied up here at work. :p

re: #212 BlueCanuck

No problem don't know if lol would like my concoction but it is my first attempt.

I haven't seen lol or Sharmuta the last few days. Maybe they are the same person.

re: #208 Erik The Red

Yours sounds better than mine. You have rum?

but of course... tonight it's Gosling Gold, because we raided a nice stash, but there's always something in the Cav locker.

/if not, there's always Canuckisatn!

(long on booze, short on navy! %-(

Two Red fruitcups. (Nice job guys)

AN
OMEN?
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re: #210 Erik The Red

Where are all the regular insomniacs?

Well, I've been doing some research on some photo gear... plus thinking about what to eBay next to clean out my storage unit... and so forth and so on... such as reviewing my Japanese by watching commercials:

yre: #214 Erik The Red

No problem don't know if lol would like my concoction but it is my first attempt.

no worries: they're still so fried from having tried mine all this time that you're safe...

(unless you've been reading this, of course. %-)

/insidious fruitcup, while you wait.

re: #217 Render

Two Red fruitcups. (Nice job guys)

AN
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re: #213 Iron Fist

Doesn't a breeder reactor provide more energy than it consumes? Especially if you make bombs out of the "waste".

i guess that depends on where you use the fissile material...

/don't tempt me

re: #221 redc1c4

i guess that depends on where you use the fissile material...

/don't tempt me

Come on red tell us how you feel/think.

'The Cruise Of The USS Codfish'

re: #216 redc1c4

/if not, there's always Canuckisatn!

(long on booze, short on navy! %-(

Alas, you are so right. :(

/and our air force ain't much either.

re: #224 BlueCanuck

Alas, you are so right. :(

/and our air force ain't much either.

[Link: www.ajokes.com...]

re: #222 Erik The Red

Come on red tell us how you feel/think.

no problemo, GI:...i'll take the fifth.

/scotch, whiskey, tequila, rum, rot gut...

I am watching USA sports center on ESPN and they are talking about the NHL. Don't see much hockey here. So who is going to the Stanley Cup and who is going to win?

re: #225 Dustyvet

[Link: www.ajokes.com...]

You owe me a new laptop and a refreshed drink.

re: #227 Erik The Red

I am watching USA sports center on ESPN and they are talking about the NHL. Don't see much hockey here. So who is going to the Stanley Cup and who is going to win?

Do I give a puck? (rim shot)

re: #226 redc1c4

no problemo, GI:...i'll take the fifth.

/scotch, whiskey, tequila, rum, rot gut...

ROTF

re: #228 Erik The Red

You owe me a new laptop and a refreshed drink.

sowary...sniff...:(

A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.

— Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow

Just sounds like music to me:

"The Five Most Dangerous Things in the US Navy"
A Seaman saying, "I learned this in Boot Camp..."
A Petty Officer saying, "Trust me, sir..."
A Lieutenant JG saying, "Based on my experience..."
A Lieutenant saying, "I was just thinking..."
A Chief chuckling and saying, "Watch this shit..."

re: #224 BlueCanuck

Alas, you are so right. :(

/and our air force ain't much either.

it may seem a pittance, but they do their bit.

i'll be the first to fight anyone who says otherwise.

"The Chief and the Gunny"
An old Chief and an old Gunny were sitting at the VFW arguing about who'd had the tougher career.
"I did 30 years in the Corps," the Gunny declared proudly, "and fought in three of my country's wars. Fresh out of boot camp I hit the beach at Okinawa, clawed my way up the blood soaked
sand, and eventually took out an entire enemy machine gun nest with a single grenade.
"As a Sergeant, I fought in Korea alongside General MacArthur. We pushed back the enemy inch by bloody inch all the way up to the Chinese border, always under a barrage of artillery and small arms fire.
"Finally, as a Gunny Sergeant, I did three consecutive combat tours in Vietnam. We humped through the mud and razor grass for 14 hours a day, plagued by rain and mosquitoes, ducking under sniper fire all day and mortar fire all night. In a fire fight, we'd fire until our arms ached and our guns were empty, then we'd charge the enemy with bayonets!"
"Ah," said the Chief with a dismissive wave of his hand, "all shore duty, huh?"

re: #225 Dustyvet

[Link: www.ajokes.com...]

Nah, that can't be our navy. His moral is too high, and he's missing the two-four.

/Besides it's two guys in a canoe. . . .

Gotta go lunch guests have arrived. See you all later.

re: #236 BlueCanuck

Nah, that can't be our navy. His moral is too high, and he's missing the two-four.

/Besides it's two guys in a canoe. . . .

I been looking for a canoe for a half hour...:)

re: #238 Dustyvet

I been looking for a canoe for a half hour...:)

must be the white smoke...

/outta here!

"Hello, is this the RCMP?"
"Yes. How may I help you?"
"I'm calling to report my neighbour, Mike Fitzpatrick! He's hiding drugs
inside his firewood."
"Thank you very much for the call, sir."
The next day, the RCMP SWAT team officers descended on Mike's house.
They searched the shed where the firewood was kept. Using axes, they busted
open every piece of wood, but found no drugs. They swore at Mike, he swore at
them, and then they left.
The next day, the phone rang at Mike's house...
"Hey, Mike! Did the RCMP come to your house?"
"Yeah!"
"Did they chop your firewood?"
"Yep."
"Merry Christmas, buddy."

And happy new year.

More music to my ears:

Gaza got hit again...:)

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said on television: "There is a time for calm and a time for fighting, and now the time has come to fight."

At last.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

The IDF has officially called up the reserve soldiers, what is known here as Tzav Shmoneh. They have also officially called a state of emergency in the south, which means that the Home Front command is on duty, and the emergency supplies including food and medical equipment, is ready to be delivered to Israeli cities that need it.

I have also heard on IDF radio that there are families in the north of Israel that are inviting people from the south to stay over at their houses to get away from the rockets.

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Erik, I see you've gone...but we went to see Kevin Bloody Wilson a few years back , the language was so bad I almost washed my mouth out with soap after the show :-)

And Erik, I'm sorry you're not here because I wanted to discuss today's play in the cricket Test with you

And there's no-one else here who's a cricket fan ...or is there?

re: #245 aussiemagpie

Only cricket I know goes by the name Jiminy. ;)

good morning lizards! hmm, seems like people are sleeping in today.

aussiemagpie, no, sorry, americans know nothing about cricket. But I have a question to ask you. Can you tell me what gov't agency in Australia maps/monitors your natural water resources? I need to do some research for my job. Thanks.

re: #246 BlueCanuck

Only cricket I know goes by the name Jiminy. ;)

Hi there, Blue! LOL!

Oh well, there's always the cricket blogs :-)

re: #247 wahabicorridor

good morning lizards! hmm, seems like people are sleeping in today.

aussiemagpie, no, sorry, americans know nothing about cricket. But I have a question to ask you. Can you tell me what gov't agency in Australia maps/monitors your natural water resources? I need to do some research for my job. Thanks.

Hi, water resources are the responsibilty of State governments, however lthe Feds have a stake in this as well

Try these sites for starters

The Federal Government

NSW Government

Queensland

South Australia

Western Australia

Northern Territory

Tasmania

ACT

Hope this will help you with your project :-)

picked thisup over at Tim Worstall's place:

You can see this at work in the decision sneaked out by the US Federal Reserve on Christmas Eve to recognise GM’s financing arm, GMAC, as a “bank”, thus making it eligible to receive the subventions hitherto given to, well, banks. GMAC’s chairman, one J Ezra Merkin, also happens to be head of a hedge fund which put all – repeat, all – of its investors’ cash into Bernard Madoff’s gargantuan Ponzi scheme. Of course Merkin was merely a dupe of his old friend Mr Madoff; but it is remarkable that the US authorities are so desperate to do GM’s bidding that they would enable the taxpayers’ billions to be handed over to J Ezra Merkin’s brand new “bank”.

More on auto bailouts

re: #249 aussiemagpie

*mwah*

re: #244 westbankmama

Thanks for that information: just the generalities are getting through to the MSM.

Unless you're interested in cricket, of course.

re: #252 ryannon

Thanks for that information: just the generalities are getting through to the MSM.

Unless you're interested in cricket, of course.

Did I hear CRICKET? :-)

Good Morning LGF.
Death to the intifadastructure of the Gazan Islamofascist Terrorist Entity.

[Link: www.fmft.net...]