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Another Pallywood Production?

Media | Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:46:52 am PST

Associated Press Palestinian photographer Khalil Hamra seems to be the AP’s inside man when it comes to pictures of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and this photo (shown below) that he filed yesterday has all the marks of being staged. Were these apparently unhurt children deliberately arranged on a stretcher next to a wounded man for propaganda purposes? Notice that the caption is vague about whether the children are injured. (Click the thumbnail image for a larger version.)

Palestinian children and a man wounded in Israeli missile strikes are seen in the emergency area at Shifa hospital in Gaza City, Saturday, Dec. 27, 2008. Israeli warplanes demolished dozens of Hamas security compounds across Gaza on Saturday in unprecedented waves of simultaneous air strikes. Gaza medics said at least 145 people were killed and more than 310 wounded in the single deadliest day in Gaza fighting in recent memory.

(Hat tip: I*Consult.)

Also see:
Augean Stables » Something Smells

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1 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:48:21am

Kids, choose your parents carefully.

2 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:49:14am

If we complain, next time they will injure the children to make it look better.

Or at least spill some ketchup on them, good grief.

3 Charles  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:49:25am

That may not even be the kids' father... caption doesn't say it is.

4 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:49:46am

It would be news if they published an actual picture, rather than the "posed" ones they always seem to throw out there.

5 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:50:01am

Not even well-staged.
This one rates a Bronx cheer for "production values".

6 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:50:06am

They use their children for worse- all of it is disgusting.

7 jorline  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:51:32am

I thought the same thing when I first saw this photo...staged!

On the other hand I've seen a lot of pictures of dead terrorist...appears that Israel's response has hit it's mark.

8 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:52:06am

For victims of missile strikes, the children's clothes are amazingly well-kept.

9 NeoKong  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:52:12am

If young children are injured or killed it is because Hamas surrounds themselves with civilians so they can show the brutality of the Israelis.

Maybe firing rockets at Israel wasn't such a good idea.

10 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:52:27am

We can't even see for sure if the man is actually injured. If so, how seriously? Did he cut his hand on something?

Is that hydraulic fluid on his pants? Was he working on his car?

I call provisional bullshit on the whole photo

11 Racer X  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:52:51am

Scumbags.

12 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:52:52am

With all the supposed dead and dying, they can still spare hospital beds for propaganda?

Hooray for Pallywood.

13 jaunte  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:52:53am

The middle child on the stretcher was also featured in a video clip someone linked to yesterday.

14 ggt  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:53:04am

Sad that "old guys in the pajamas" can see the obvious, but the uber-educated and sophisticated AP can't.

15 Racer X  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:53:47am

The kids are suffering all right. They suffer from being raised by assholes.

16 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:54:06am

re: #10 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We can't even see for sure if the man is actually injured. If so, how seriously? Did he cut his hand on something?

Is that hydraulic fluid on his pants? Was he working on his car?

I call provisional bullshit on the whole photo

If they were smart, they would have sprinkled hydraulic fluid on the kids' clothes, too. Of course, that would ruin their Martha Stewart Originals.

17 Blackacre  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:54:27am

Well that didn't take long:

re: #6 Blackacre

OK, lizards, let's keep our eyes open for the next edition of fauxtography or the Green Helmet Guy. We all know that it's coming. It's only a question of when.

18 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:54:45am

These people take their kids to look at fatah torture rooms and blown up car wreckage- why deny them the thrill of a gaza ER in war mode? Where else would the propaganda pictures be getting taken?

19 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:55:14am

re: #8 Wyatt Earp

For victims of missile strikes, the children's clothes are amazingly well-kept.

Also for a population that is supposed to be destitute.

20 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:55:40am

Fuck Hamas.

21 000G  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:55:43am

Are they supposed to be crying? The bottom one seems to have some kind of tear streak on his or her left cheek and the middle one looks recently slapped or denied candy.

22 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #19 Bloodnok

Also for a population that is supposed to be destitute.

I can't let my children see this. They'll think I'm a terrible father.

23 Killian Bundy  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:56:18am
a man wounded in Israeli missile strikes

He doesn't look particularly wounded to me.

/does he have a missile induced hangnail?

24 notutopia  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:56:23am

Children are used to evoke sympathy for the devil who caused the injuries to the "innocents".
If this is staged, it is sickly exploitive and borders on child abuse.

25 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:56:26am

re: #20 MandyManners

Fuck Hamas.

And the camels they rode in on.

26 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:56:50am

They stack em like so much garbage.

How difficult would it be for them to tumble off that crowded bed and really get hurt?

Call the set designer and order rail guards, assholes.

27 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:56:53am

OT:

Hey Steeler fans...

Ben Roethlisberger Taken Off Field On Stretcher

PITTSBURGH -- Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was carried away on a stretcher after taking a hit against the Cleveland Browns on Sunday.

Roethlisberger lay motionless on the Heinz Field turf for about 15 minutes, until medical personnel were able to unscrew his face mask, remove his helmet, strap him onto a stretcher, lift him onto a cart and drive him into the locker room.

Browns linebackers Willie McGinest and D'Qwell Jackson hit Roethlisberger as he attempted a pass with 1:48 left in the first half and the Steelers leading the game 7-0.

The exact nature and extent of Roethlisberger's injury is unknown. Replays on television showed the back of his head slamming onto the turf as he took the hit.

He remained conscious the entire time he was down and stuck his right thumb in the air while he was being taken away.

In a meaningless game as well.

28 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:57:37am

re: #16 Wyatt Earp

If they were smart, they would have sprinkled hydraulic fluid on the kids' clothes, too. Of course, that would ruin their Martha Stewart Originals.

Hey! I got it! Raspberry jam!

/could I make money consulting for Paliwood?! ... WOW! ... I'm outta here!

29 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:57:48am

folks - i bring you - "pointed finger pallywood man in front of smoke"...

[Link: www.imgfreehost.com...]


this also needs to be on the front page of LGF...

30 LEGION  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:58:52am

So when are we going to do something about the same photographers and newspapers that print these staged lies? We are SO tired of the same old non-sense.

31 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:58:55am

re: #29 buzzdroid

folks - i bring you - "pointed finger pallywood man in front of smoke"...

[Link: www.imgfreehost.com...]

this also needs to be on the front page of LGF...

I remember seeing that guy at the grassy knoll . . .

32 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:59:02am

re: #29 buzzdroid

folks - i bring you - "pointed finger pallywood man in front of smoke"...

[Link: www.imgfreehost.com...]

this also needs to be on the front page of LGF...

left-handed, for whatever exactly that adds.

33 MJ  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:59:15am

Goes along with this story:

Israel is addicted to violence

The attack on the Gaza strip is proof that Israel is addicted to violence. Slaughtering 155 civilians, many of whom are women and children, can not be justified.
[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

The sub-context to these stories is the Blood Libel.
It's pure antisemitism.

34 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:59:25am

re: #8 Wyatt Earp

For victims of missile strikes, the children's clothes are amazingly well-kept.

Their mother obviously dressed them up for their big photo shoot.

35 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 11:59:25am

They killed Chuckie

[Link: cache.daylife.com...]

36 VegasRick  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:00:06pm

re: #29 buzzdroid

folks - i bring you - "pointed finger pallywood man in front of smoke"...

[Link: www.imgfreehost.com...]


this also needs to be on the front page of LGF...


As someone pointed out earlier, "Night Fever, Night Feveeeeerrrr"!

37 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:00:09pm

i find it somewhat delicious, that as i am drinking a glass of wine, whilst watching those Vixens from the pop band "Girls Aloud" on british telly, Hamas and Islamofascism is being destroyed and eliminated.


Ahh... let me sit back, sip some wine, and revel in it for a bit.

thank YOU Israel!

38 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:00:09pm

re: #35 Opinionated

They killed Chuckie

[Link: cache.daylife.com...]

Oh brother.

39 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:00:37pm

re: #34 doriangrey

Their mother obviously dressed them up for their big photo shoot.

Big smile. BIG SMILE!

40 jaunte  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:00:43pm

You can see the middle child in this photo in the Reuters video Charles linked yesterday, from :39 to :41, being carried in by a woman, and rapidly laid down on the gurney. No examination, just a plunk-down.

41 000G  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:00:48pm
Results 1 - 10 of about 20,900 for "Khalil Hamra" OR "Hamra, Khalil"

That dude is already a minor celebrity. Some B movie stars get less google hits than him.

Insightful search results:

[Link: www.warphotoltd.com...]
[Link: snappedshot.com...]
[Link: www.google.com...]

42 VegasRick  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:01:13pm

re: #32 itellu3times

left-handed, for whatever exactly that adds.

Posing, the right hand would have covered part of their face, way less dramatic!

43 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:01:15pm

Professional victims, they could get jobs doing this, in fact they have.
If they got to America they could get hooked up with a sleazy lawyer like John Edwards and run innumerable scams. Its just business.

44 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:01:29pm

re: #41 000G

That dude is already a minor celebrity. Some B movie stars get less google hits than him.

Insightful search results:

[Link: www.warphotoltd.com...]
[Link: snappedshot.com...]
[Link: www.google.com...]

He's Bin GAZArra!

45 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:01:42pm

re: #24 notutopia

Children are used to evoke sympathy for the devil who caused the injuries to the "innocents".
If this is staged, it is sickly exploitive and borders on child abuse.

That whole fucking region is child abuse.

46 swamprat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:02:12pm

Hamas is being chastised by the militant wing of the Israeli Defense Force.

47 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:02:40pm

re: #46 swamprat

heh.

48 OldDog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:02:57pm

Duh, the kid in the middle is smiling!

49 MJ  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:02:59pm

re: #35 Opinionated

They killed Chuckie

[Link: cache.daylife.com...]

Looks more like Chatty Cathy.
Wrong doll in either case. Should have used this one for their staged photos:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

50 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:03:21pm

re: #33 MJ

Goes along with this story:

Israel is addicted to violence

The attack on the Gaza strip is proof that Israel is addicted to violence. Slaughtering 155 civilians, many of whom are women and children, can not be justified.
[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

The sub-context to these stories is the Blood Libel.
It's pure antisemitism.


I have the impression that the antisemitism has noticeably increased, not just in the FMSM but in the comments from people on various blogs as well, when compared to the Lebanon war two years ago.

51 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:03:38pm

re: #48 OldDog

Duh, the kid in the middle is smiling!

That's because he just got his SAG card!

52 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:03:55pm

look at the treachery. look how they don't give a shite abt. their children.
what a belligerent 'religion' that fosters deceit and abuse of innocence as a means to further its spread around the world.
crushing anyone and anything to dominate.
rather than co-exist.
ropma.

53 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:04:31pm

re: #24 notutopia

If this is staged, it is sickly exploitive and borders on child abuse.


borders? BORDERS?You are nuanced aren't you?

54 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:04:39pm

re: #21 000G

Shame on you.

55 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:04:54pm

Has anyone seen a picture with a Mickey Mouse doll carefully placed on top of a pile of rubble yet?

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:05:22pm

re: #33 MJ

The attack on the Gaza strip is proof that Israel is addicted to violence. Slaughtering 155 civilians, many of whom are women and children, can not be justified.
[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

From the column: "slaughter on such a wholesale scale"

We have a hole in the ground in Manhattan, Mr. Rayment.
What is it about the definition of "wholesale" that you don't get?

57 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:05:46pm

re: #30 LEGION

So when are we going to do something about the same photographers and newspapers that print these staged lies? We are SO tired of the same old non-sense.

What can we do?

58 pegcity  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:05:46pm

anyone else taking a hiatus from watching any so called news programs on tv or reading their daily propaganda in paper form?

59 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:05:51pm

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

Has anyone seen a picture with a Mickey Mouse doll carefully placed on top of a pile of rubble yet?

I prefer this one.

60 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:06:25pm

worth linking again... "the corruption of the media".

qanagate expose of the hez war by the EU Ref blog

WELL worth bookmarking and reading.. its lengthy..

[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]

the current Hamas fauxtography isnt new - its well disciplined, trained and calculated for maximum media impact.

read the link.

61 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:06:27pm

Know what's great?

Pallywood is just BS.

And this picture is BS. And there will be more of this BS and propaganda.

But in this action, one thing is true.

Many of the Hamas mother******* are in fact injured and dead.

62 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:06:31pm

re: #50 yma o hyd

I have the impression that the antisemitism has noticeably increased, not just in the FMSM but in the comments from people on various blogs as well, when compared to the Lebanon war two years ago.

You see it everywhere, even in the casual way that people now talk offensively on the subway or push past people who look jewish. They feel empowered, particularly since the election.

63 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:06:32pm

re: #58 pegcity

anyone else taking a hiatus from watching any so called news programs on tv or reading their daily propaganda in paper form?

I've been doing that for over a year now.

64 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:06:41pm

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

Has anyone seen a picture with a Mickey Mouse doll carefully placed on top of a pile of rubble yet?

Won't happen this time - Mickey Mouse is haram, or so the Imams said ...

Might be a rabbit, though, from that TV series Hamas is so fond of broadcasting to their children.

65 pat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:07:36pm

What a pretty smile on #2.

66 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:07:41pm

re: #52 nyc redneck


ropma.

ROTFLMAO...... (Religion of peace my ass) Funny you should mention it that way, cause that is exactly what Islam has in mind.... A piece of your ass, and a piece of your skull, a piece of your arm, a piece of your back, and maybe a piece of your soul if they can get it....

67 000G  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:08:04pm

re: #54 MandyManners

Shame on you.

what the hell?

68 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:08:04pm

re: #56 pre-Boomer Marine brat

From the column: "slaughter on such a wholesale scale"

We have a hole in the ground in Manhattan, Mr. Rayment.
What is it about the definition of "wholesale" that you don't get?

Why worry about the definition of 'wholesale' when he obviously doesn't even get the meaning of slaughter.

69 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:08:29pm

re: #58 pegcity

anyone else taking a hiatus from watching any so called news programs on tv or reading their daily propaganda in paper form?

Only print media I've read regularly the last several years is WSJ, and sometimes they piss me off majorly, too - but have been pretty good recently, maybe I should resubscribe ... waiting for their $99 offer.

70 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:08:36pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

I've been doing that for over a year now.

25 years (with the exception of the WSJ in times past)

71 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:09:11pm

re: #67 000G

what the hell?

Joking about slapping a child is not funny.

72 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:09:20pm

The article where I saw this picture yesterday, as part of the AP slide show, mentioned that the Egyptians had opened a few crossings to allow ambulances in because of the lack of hospital beds. At the time I thought it was curious that unhurt kids were there.

Naturally I should have guessed a willing propaganda arm of Hamas in the AP.

73 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:09:38pm

re: #70 pre-Boomer Marine brat

25 years (with the exception of the WSJ in times past)

If it's not on the net, it's not news.

74 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:10:06pm

re: #58 pegcity

anyone else taking a hiatus from watching any so called news programs on tv or reading their daily propaganda in paper form?

Me.
And I've given up on reading comments on the online editions as well - this antisemitism in practically every second comment is so sickening, its not even worth debating with such filth any longer.

75 MJ  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:10:39pm

re: #50 yma o hyd

I have the impression that the antisemitism has noticeably increased, not just in the FMSM but in the comments from people on various blogs as well, when compared to the Lebanon war two years ago.

You might be right. It will just be matter of a day or two, maybe a week, until some Jewish gravestones in the UK are defaced by Swastikas and some other antisemitic incidents occur. The BBC and other media outlets promotes these kinds of responses. The politicians in the UK will remain silent as they always do when antisemitism explodes in the UK as will Church leaders.
It's all very predicable.

76 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:11:03pm

re: #64 yma o hyd

Won't happen this time - Mickey Mouse is haram, or so the Imams said ...

Might be a rabbit, though, from that TV series Hamas is so fond of broadcasting to their children.

Is it a Killer Rabbit?

77 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:11:27pm

re: #72 Quilly Mammoth

The article where I saw this picture yesterday, as part of the AP slide show, mentioned that the Egyptians had opened a few crossings to allow ambulances in because of the lack of hospital beds. At the time I thought it was curious that unhurt kids were there.

Naturally I should have guessed a willing propaganda arm of Hamas in the AP.

Hamas is not allowing the wounded to be taken to Egypt now.

78 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:11:32pm

re: #76 Desert Dog

Is it a Killer Rabbit?

Run, Jimmah, Run!

79 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:11:37pm

re: #68 yma o hyd

Why worry about the definition of 'wholesale' when he obviously doesn't even get the meaning of slaughter.

Not to mention the differences between the genders, or between children and adults. This is my first time to see one of his columns, but from looking at its rhetorical structure, I'm guessing that Rayment is a self-inflated politicized *ss.

80 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:12:04pm

I'm so sick of the blatent propaganda. The mainstream media has become the most unreliable source of news there is. I may as well be reading The Onion or something.

81 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:12:21pm

re: #30 LEGION

So when are we going to do something about the same photographers and newspapers that print these staged lies?

Share the honest truth

82 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:12:40pm

re: #58 pegcity

anyone else taking a hiatus from watching any so called news programs on tv or reading their daily propaganda in paper form?

yup. count me in . have given up on sky news... i thought they would be better than the obviously anti-israel BBC... as for the telegraph or any british paper - not a chance. sticking with jpost and israeli blogs.


rupert murdoch needs to have a word or two with the folks at sky - at times it was non stop Hamas propaganda bollocks...

83 Killian Bundy  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:13:01pm

Gaza attacks like war crimes - Tutu

Israel's bombardment of Gaza "bears all the hallmarks of war crimes", Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said in a statement on Sunday.

"In the context of total aerial supremacy, in which one side in a conflict deploys lethal aircraft against opponents with no means of defending themselves, the bombardment bears all the hallmarks of war crimes."

Or maybe they're strikes against legitimate military targets in self defense, take your pick.

/hey, someone toss Mr. Tutuman another Nobel peace prize

84 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:13:25pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Hamas is not allowing the wounded to be taken to Egypt now.

Neither is Egypt, they are shooting Palestinians attempting to cross the Egyptian border.

85 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:13:27pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Hamas is not allowing the wounded to be taken to Egypt now.


Yeah but wouldn't it be a nice touch if Egypt got medieval with Hamass as well? It would never happen in a million years but this being the holiday season, "it's the thought that counts".

86 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:13:42pm

Kossack showing love for the USA...

Who's The World's Leading Terrorists? Looks Like It's Uncle Sam
by joeyess
Sun Dec 28, 2008 at 09:51:46 AM PST

You're gonna love this. Looks like our beloved government agency the DoD is really the world's largest, best funded terrorist organization.

That's right. Here in this diary I will give to you in black and white , the words our government uses in their fight against the terrerristsssss.

So, without further fanfare and a jaw on the floor I give you our country's solution to fighting the "greatest threat to freedom that the world has ever known................."

TERRORISM!

That's right. Written down in black and white is the admission that we engage in terrorist activities.

Terrorism! In the name of fighting Terrorism! I mean, what. the f@#$!?

87 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:13:43pm

re: #80 baconeatingkaffir

The Onion is far superior.

88 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:14:04pm

re: #33 MJ

Remarkable mindset:

Hamas is not without blame. The group's leaders have cynically goaded the Israeli government with hundreds of rocket attacks in the past six weeks, 80 of which struck the Jewish state on Wednesday,

When Israelis are under rocket attack from hundreds of missles they are just being goaded?

"If you prick us, do we not bleed?" If you rocket us, are we just being "goaded"?

89 cicero05  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:14:07pm

I. Call. Bullshit.

90 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:14:25pm

re: #84 doriangrey

Neither is Egypt, they are shooting Palestinians attempting to cross the Egyptian border.

I'm so glad we have a secure border that we don't have to shoot at people coming through . . .

///

91 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:14:38pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

Gaza attacks like war crimes - Tutu

Or maybe they're strikes against legitimate military targets in self defense, take your pick.

/hey, someone toss Mr. Tutuman another Nobel peace prize

He is still alive? He should go to the Congo or the Sudan and stop he butchering his fellow Africans are partaking in.

92 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:14:47pm

re: #75 MJ

You might be right. It will just be matter of a day or two, maybe a week, until some Jewish gravestones in the UK are defaced by Swastikas and some other antisemitic incidents occur. The BBC and other media outlets promotes these kinds of responses. The politicians in the UK will remain silent as they always do when antisemitism explodes in the UK as will Church leaders.
It's all very predicable.

and when some Jewish kid in north london gets murdered, they'll sleep easy in their beds wont they?

scum.
the lot of them.

(and deeply shameful, for i am a british citizen..)

93 pegcity  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:14:49pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

Gaza attacks like war crimes - Tutu

Or maybe they're strikes against legitimate military targets in self defense, take your pick.

/hey, someone toss Mr. Tutuman another Nobel peace prize

that old fart needs to shut his mouth, way to keep silent on the whole you know 50 million dead in Africa in the last decade asshole

94 pat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:14:56pm

re: #33 MJ

Goes along with this story:

Israel is addicted to violence

The attack on the Gaza strip is proof that Israel is addicted to violence. Slaughtering 155 civilians, many of whom are women and children, can not be justified.
[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

The sub-context to these stories is the Blood Libel.
It's pure antisemitism.

Good find. From the article antiIsrael propganda:

Hamas is not without blame. The group's leaders have cynically goaded the Israeli government with hundreds of rocket attacks in the past six weeks, 80 of which struck the Jewish state on Wednesday, knowing that the Israelis response would be extreme - but even they couldn't have been prepared for slaughter on such a wholesale scale. What is most worrying is that more violence from both sides seems certain.


So let me get this straight. Hamas intentionally attempted to start a Lebanon/Hezbollah war by indiscriminately killing Jews, and they have repeatedly said they wish to kill each and every Jew on Earth, but Israel is at fault for Hamas purposely putting the population at risk.
Hamas is just lucky I am not in charge. I would order in arty. There would be no people within 20 miles of the border after 10 days.

95 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:15:02pm

re: #88 Opinionated

Remarkable mindset:

When Israelis are under rocket attack from hundreds of missles they are just being goaded?

"If you prick us, do we not bleed?" If you rocket us, are we just being "goaded"?

Actually, the "prick" in the story is Hamas. :)

96 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:15:06pm

re: #84 doriangrey

Neither is Egypt, they are shooting Palestinians attempting to cross the Egyptian border.

The article another Lizard linked earlier today stated that the Egyptians want to help the wounded.

97 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:15:08pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

If it's not on the net, it's not news.

And even if it's news, it just might not matter very much.

/curmudgeon retreats further into his cave ... (-:

98 pegcity  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:15:42pm

re: #92 buzzdroid

id tell any jew in England or hell Europe to get the hell out now, in 10 years we'll see how freely jews are allowed to travel

99 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:15:54pm

re: #85 baconeatingkaffir

Yeah but wouldn't it be a nice touch if Egypt got medieval with Hamass as well? It would never happen in a million years but this being the holiday season, "it's the thought that counts".

Yes, it is a nice thought.

100 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:16:11pm

re: #62 lifeofthemind

You see it everywhere, even in the casual way that people now talk offensively on the subway or push past people who look jewish. They feel empowered, particularly since the election.

I've asked myself how it is possible, after the Holocaust, that this is happening yet again.
But then - reading the daily din of the FMSM and the moonbat commments about 'Nazi Israel', 'Apartheid Israel', 'Palestinian Holocaust', it is clear that this islamic and leftist propaganda has taken root, and is believed by far too many people.
Insanity has indeed wiped out rationality and reason.

101 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:16:55pm

re: #91 Desert Dog

AMEN to that.

102 Watcher  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:16:57pm

Looks like the dude in the photo has a bleeding nose. Must be life threatening if he was brought to the ER.

103 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:17:32pm

re: #82 buzzdroid

yup. count me in . have given up on sky news... i thought they would be better than the obviously anti-israel BBC... as for the telegraph or any british paper - not a chance. sticking with jpost and israeli blogs.

rupert murdoch needs to have a word or two with the folks at sky - at times it was non stop Hamas propaganda bollocks...

HRH Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud has money invested in Newscorp/Fox, do not count on the Murdoch Press. Ever since Conrad Black got railroaded there is no voice for the truth.

104 pegcity  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:18:21pm

re: #103 lifeofthemind

so true, they used to call terrorists just that now its "militants"

Fox news sucks now

105 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:18:57pm

re: #98 pegcity

id tell any jew in England or hell Europe to get the hell out now, in 10 years we'll see how freely jews are allowed to travel

sad to say - that would be my advice too. preferably to america, where they will be extremely safe, and armed. texas is a good bet.

i'm non-jewish, but i can see where this is heading.

shaking my head here... its the 1930s all over again.
europe is losing its best and brightest to what ? a bunch of islamonazi lunatics...

106 cicero05  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:18:58pm

re: #94 pat

So let me get this straight. Hamas intentionally attempted to start a Lebanon/Hezbollah war by indiscriminately killing Jews

I believe you misred the quote. Hamas isn't firing rockets at innocent Israeli civilians. It is only firing rockets at "the Jewish state."

In the MSM world, it's only the Israelis who attack people.

107 SurferDoc  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:19:56pm

re: #14 ggt

Sad that "old guys in the pajamas" can see the obvious, but the uber-educated and sophisticated AP can't.

The prick-bastards at the AP are happy to go along with it!

108 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:20:02pm

re: #103 lifeofthemind

HRH Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud has money invested in Newscorp/Fox, do not count on the Murdoch Press. Ever since Conrad Black got railroaded there is no voice for the truth.

yeah - was kinda wondering why Conrad Black got targetted... that figures.

that guy was pro-israel TO THE FRIGGIN BONE...

nah - cant have that.. a media mogul who is pro-israel...

109 albusteve  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:20:09pm

re: #57 MandyManners

What can we do?

invade with extreme prejudice....

110 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:20:21pm

re: #75 MJ

You might be right. It will just be matter of a day or two, maybe a week, until some Jewish gravestones in the UK are defaced by Swastikas and some other antisemitic incidents occur. The BBC and other media outlets promotes these kinds of responses. The politicians in the UK will remain silent as they always do when antisemitism explodes in the UK as will Church leaders.
It's all very predicable.

Predictable - and it won't be reported in the national media either. A notice in some local rag, perhaps, for what its worth.

Haven't there been attacks on Jewish gravestones in France recently?

Gawd - its ironic that the one country where there would be public outrage in the media, by politicians and Church leaders would probably be Germany.

111 fclass308  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:20:26pm

re: #94 pat

So let me get this straight. Hamas intentionally attempted to start a Lebanon/Hezbollah war by indiscriminately killing Jews, and they have repeatedly said they wish to kill each and every Jew on Earth, but Israel is at fault for Hamas purposely putting the population at risk.
Hamas is just lucky I am not in charge. I would order in arty. There would be no people within 20 miles of the border after 10 days.

amen to that.

112 ScottG  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:20:37pm

re: #76 Desert Dog

Is it a Killer Rabbit?

Don't worry! We have the Holy Hand Grenade!

113 gymnast  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:21:01pm

The media's veracity and the stock prices of the media both seem to be in a state of synchronized free fall. I assume that pulp paper prices are falling as well.

114 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:21:01pm

re: #76 Desert Dog

Is it a Killer Rabbit?

Yep - a killed killer rabbit!

115 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:21:03pm

The photographer's bio is here.

Khalil Hamra was obviously hired for his journalistic objectivity.

Khalil continues covering the Intifada for the Associated Press where his images are published regularly in major newspapers and magazines worldwide.


**KOFF**

116 Wyatt Earp[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:21:16pm
117 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:21:26pm

re: #109 albusteve

invade with extreme prejudice....

He was talking about the MFM.

118 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:21:33pm

re: #96 MandyManners

The article another Lizard linked earlier today stated that the Egyptians want to help the wounded.

Try this one then Mandy... Egyptians open fire on Palestinians

119 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:22:04pm

re: #79 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not to mention the differences between the genders, or between children and adults. This is my first time to see one of his columns, but from looking at its rhetorical structure, I'm guessing that Rayment is a self-inflated politicized *ss.

Too many of them about, unfortunately.

120 albusteve  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:22:09pm

re: #102 Watcher

Looks like the dude in the photo has a bleeding nose. Must be life threatening if he was brought to the ER.

he was trampled int he stampede to the Egyptian border...

121 DEZes  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:22:36pm

...

122 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:23:01pm

re: #115 rightymouse

The photographer's bio is here.

Khalil Hamra was obviously hired for his journalistic objectivity.


**KOFF**

Khalil Hamra a photographer based in Rafah covers the southern Gaza Strip for the Associated Press. Born in Kuwait 1979 to Palestinian parents, Khalil grew up in Qatar, Egypt and Palestine. He settled in Rafah (Gaza Strip) in 1995 and joined the Islamic University in Gaza in 1997 till his graduation from the Faculty of Journalism in 2001. At the beginning of the ongoing uprising (the 2nd Intifada) Khalil worked as a trainee photojournalist for a local press office for a year. In 2002 Khalil began his career as a photojournalist, freelancing with the Associated Press news agency, covering events in southern Gaza Strip. Khalil continues covering the Intifada for the Associated Press where his images are published regularly in major newspapers and magazines worldwide.

123 suntory_boss  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:23:02pm

I'm still trying to figure out the jihadi logic behind this one:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

124 nyc redneck  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:23:16pm

it is so fashionable to bash israel.
all these fools who are slaves to the most egregious fashions of the day.
who know nothing. who just want to follow the crowd. to fit in.
and the others who should know better.
none thinking abt. what is really going on.
how dangerous the world is because of islam.
i have no respect for these ignorant assholes.
they are stupid enablers and a menace to us all.

125 albusteve  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:23:40pm

re: #117 MandyManners

He was talking about the MFM.

I got confused...my bad

126 ClosetConservative  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:23:43pm

Even the man looks to be minorly injured. I don't see any holes.

127 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:24:24pm

re: #118 doriangrey

Try this one then Mandy... Egyptians open fire on Palestinians

It doesn't state that they're shooting at ambulances or wounded.

128 pat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:24:43pm

Hamas' new found concern for the health of their subjects is touching.

129 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:24:44pm

another thought - its a pity that Israel doesnt allow non-nationals to help their cause. sure, the security risk would be greater because of potential infiltration,... but surely somebody in Israel must be thinking about how they could use an army of lizards in their defense?

i'd sign up. even if it was just monitoring Jihad websites, i sure can help them out in my own little way...

any israeli lizards care to coment? good idea or not?

130 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:24:48pm

re: #118 doriangrey

I'm gonna' find the article I mentioned. bbiab

131 akak  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:24:52pm

IAF Attacks Haniyeh

praying!

132 gymnast  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:25:15pm

Are any any pali lovin' potential pancake candidates trying to block the Pali bulldozers from bashing their way into Egypt? Thought not.

133 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:25:17pm

re: #126 ClosetConservative

Even the man looks to be minorly injured. I don't see any holes.

Just the ones in the photographer's story.

134 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:25:39pm

re: #129 buzzdroid

Didnt a group go to Israel to help out during the first Gulf War? I vaguely remember hearing about that.

135 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:26:18pm

re: #133 Wyatt Earp

Just the ones in the photographer's story.

Reminds me of the Sam Kinnison sketch about the starving african kids and Sally Struthers "don't feed him the sandwich yet.. he's not crying hard enough".

136 SurferDoc  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:26:25pm

re: #100 yma o hyd

I've asked myself how it is possible, after the Holocaust, that this is happening yet again.
But then - reading the daily din of the FMSM and the moonbat commments about 'Nazi Israel', 'Apartheid Israel', 'Palestinian Holocaust', it is clear that this islamic and leftist propaganda has taken root, and is believed by far too many people.
Insanity has indeed wiped out rationality and reason.

Yes! And for all of the above, Americans must do two things: Support Israel and let it be known that "Never Again" means something to us!

137 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:26:35pm

re: #91 Desert Dog

He is still alive? He should go to the Congo or the Sudan and stop he butchering his fellow Africans are partaking in.

Och, he thinks Mugabe isn't nice, letting his people die of cholera.
As for the other countries - well, its internal African affairs, see. No war crimes ...

///

138 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:26:49pm

re: #106 cicero05

I believe you misred the quote. Hamas isn't firing rockets at innocent Israeli civilians. It is only firing rockets at "the Jewish state."

In the MSM world, it's only the Israelis who attack people.

Yes, and all of those Hamas rockets are carefully and surgically aimed at only military and command and control centers within Israel.....whereas the evil Israelis just fire randomly, hoping to kill as many Palestinians as possible...right?

/

139 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:27:14pm

re: #134 baconeatingkaffir

Didnt a group go to Israel to help out during the first Gulf War? I vaguely remember hearing about that.

yeah they did - christian evangelicals. medical supplies and medical help for the casualties of the Iraq scud missiles, as far as i can recall...

140 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:27:24pm

re: #136 SurferDoc

Am I wrong for thinking its not a good thing for the US to shut down most of our military installations in Europe? Sometimes they need to be protected from themselves.

141 Griffon  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:27:44pm

re: #59 Wyatt Earp

I prefer this one.

I couldn't figure out how to submit a caption for that picture, so I just left a comment instead.

142 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:27:55pm

re: #135 baconeatingkaffir

Reminds me of the Sam Kinnison sketch about the starving african kids and Sally Struthers "don't feed him the sandwich yet.. he's not crying hard enough".

The irony being that Sally the Blimp could have used a little starving, too.

143 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:27:57pm

I'm all for boycotting the MSM. Why give them a dime?
But the fact is that the media, especially the big TV networks, have the power to shape events.
The USSR knew this. The NVietnamese knew it. The Palestinians know it. The Islamists know it. Wars are fought on the TV screen. All that matters is propaganda.

144 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:29:20pm

re: #140 baconeatingkaffir

Am I wrong for thinking its not a good thing for the US to shut down most of our military installations in Europe? Sometimes they need to be protected from themselves.

Putin would not complain, then he could really start bullying the wimpy Euros around

145 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:29:35pm

re: #143 wolfie

I agree with you. I wonder what CNN or CBS would have done if they had been at Guadalcanal with my grandads brother or at the Battle of the Bulge etc etc.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:29:48pm

IAF Warplanes Seen Flying Over Lebanon

(IsraelNN.com) IAF warplanes flew over Lebanon Sunday following a vow by Hizbullah terrorist chief Hassan Nasrallah to attack northern Israeli communities in retaliation for the IDF military operation against terrorists in Gaza.

According to Lebanese Army officials, four IAF aircraft were spotted flying in southern Lebanese air space. The aircraft, which appeared to be combat planes, remained in the Lebanese skies for more than an hour.

...

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned the Lebanese guerrilla organization in his speech to Israel's citizens on Saturday night not to be misled into thinking that because the IDF was engaged in military operations in the south, it might leave the north unprotected.

Medical staff at Ziv Hospital in Tzefat were placed on alert and have been asked not to leave the area; in addition, bomb shelters were once again prepared for possible action as well.

Something big is brewing.

147 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:29:53pm

re: #100 yma o hyd

I've asked myself how it is possible, after the Holocaust, that this is happening yet again.
But then - reading the daily din of the FMSM and the moonbat commments about 'Nazi Israel', 'Apartheid Israel', 'Palestinian Holocaust', it is clear that this islamic and leftist propaganda has taken root, and is believed by far too many people.
Insanity has indeed wiped out rationality and reason.

My take on the sources of current anti-Semitism and anti-Israel posturing, they are the same thing of course.

1) Genuine hatred of Western Civilization and the values it represents. I call this the honest opposition.
2) Anti-Semitism that was sublimated or nurtured privately under duress but that now feels encouraged to come out again in public. This is empowered partly by the alliance of Arab money and old fashioned aristocratic snobbery. I call this the traditional opposition.
3) Fear, the suspicion that the bien pessants are more likely to be killed as Theo van Gogh was than by an offended Jew. I call this the dishonest opposition.

148 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:30:04pm

re: #134 baconeatingkaffir

Didnt a group go to Israel to help out during the first Gulf War? I vaguely remember hearing about that.

I recall President Clinton bravely volunteering to grab a rifle & defend Israel...

149 gatorbait  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:30:23pm

What would Jimmy Carter say?

150 fclass308  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:30:29pm

re: #144 Desert Dog


How old is your Golden? Nice looking dog. :)

151 rightymouse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:31:00pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Khalil Hamra a photographer based in Rafah covers the southern Gaza Strip for the Associated Press. Born in Kuwait 1979 to Palestinian parents, Khalil grew up in Qatar, Egypt and Palestine. He settled in Rafah (Gaza Strip) in 1995 and joined the Islamic University in Gaza in 1997 till his graduation from the Faculty of Journalism in 2001. At the beginning of the ongoing uprising (the 2nd Intifada) Khalil worked as a trainee photojournalist for a local press office for a year. In 2002 Khalil began his career as a photojournalist, freelancing with the Associated Press news agency, covering events in southern Gaza Strip. Khalil continues covering the Intifada for the Associated Press where his images are published regularly in major newspapers and magazines worldwide.

But..but..he's an unbiased photographer for the AP! He wouldn't DREAM of staging a photoshoot for $$$ since the AP would never, ever publish such photos. C'mon!

/

152 fclass308  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:31:16pm

re: #149 gatorbait

What would Jimmy Carter say?

le to


Something completely asinine, I'm guessing.

153 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:31:17pm

re: #143 wolfie

I'm all for boycotting the MSM. Why give them a dime?
But the fact is that the media, especially the big TV networks, have the power to shape events.
The USSR knew this. The NVietnamese knew it. The Palestinians know it. The Islamists know it. Wars are fought on the TV screen. All that matters is propaganda.

i'm up for that. pass the word onto your neighbours... and watch those nielsen ratings sink big time.

email advertisers, with your objections.

such things can start small - but they can end up being big... case in point - the election of Obama. which was pure internet driven. its time we did something similar.. for israel.

154 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:31:37pm

re: #118 doriangrey

Try this one then Mandy... Egyptians open fire on Palestinians

From that link:
"Dr Abdel Qader Higazi, a representative of the Egyptian Doctor's Syndicate in Rafah said Egyptian authorities closed the border crossing after allowing several trucks of medical supplies into Gaza."

So medical supplies ahve gone into Gaza, so why did the doctor in one of the reports say they have nothing, and its a crisis?

Ah - sure, forgot: its all used to treat the 'civilian' hamas-thugs.

155 MJ  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:31:39pm

re: #131 akak

IAF Attacks Haniyeh

praying!

Where did you see/read this?

156 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:31:45pm

re: #143 wolfie

I'm all for boycotting the MSM. Why give them a dime?
But the fact is that the media, especially the big TV networks, have the power to shape events.
The USSR knew this. The NVietnamese knew it. The Palestinians know it. The Islamists know it. Wars are fought on the TV screen. All that matters is propaganda.

Everywhere I look, I see scads and scads and scads of photos of injuried people and devastation in Gaza, attributed to being the result of Israeli bombing - I have yet to find photos of what's happening in Israel as a result of the Hamas bombing.

Does Israel keep those sorts of photos out of the press, or is there truly that much lack of interest?

157 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:31:55pm

re: #148 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I recall President Clinton bravely volunteering to grab a rifle & defend Israel...

Actually he said he'd defend some of the IDF babes.

158 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:32:11pm

re: #143 wolfie

I'm all for boycotting the MSM. Why give them a dime?
But the fact is that the media, especially the big TV networks, have the power to shape events.
The USSR knew this. The NVietnamese knew it. The Palestinians know it. The Islamists know it. Wars are fought on the TV screen. All that matters is propaganda.

You forgot the 0bama campaign.

I agree- and they'll continue to shape events so long as they have revenue.

159 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:32:23pm

re: #145 baconeatingkaffir

I agree with you. I wonder what CNN or CBS would have done if they had been at Guadalcanal with my grandads brother or at the Battle of the Bulge etc etc.

If a CNN camera crew had been at Chosin, it would have ridden back in trucks, with the heaters running.

160 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:32:29pm

re: #142 Wyatt Earp

The irony being that Sally the Blimp could have used a little starving, too.

World Hunger

161 SurferDoc[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:33:03pm
162 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:33:57pm

re: #136 SurferDoc

Indeed!
And please, don't forget to teach your children (1) the true history of Israel and (2) how to find news sources to balance the MSM view.

163 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:34:14pm

re: #145 baconeatingkaffir

I agree with you. I wonder what CNN or CBS would have done if they had been at Guadalcanal with my grandads brother or at the Battle of the Bulge etc etc.

"U.S. Forces in Retreat

By our correspondent in France.

U.S. Forces are in full retreat from the onslaught of the German army, and onslaught that some say is in response to the firebombing of Hamburg, which the UN has said is a war crime.

German people were dancing in the streets as they burned American flags, whilst the UN asked America to restrain itself from a disproportionate response to the German attacks."

and more bollocks like that...

still find it amazing that the U.S. army actually won the war in Iraq..

164 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:34:22pm

re: #150 fclass308

How old is your Golden? Nice looking dog. :)

JD is 12, he's a mutt, a mix of Chow, Golden and some other unidentified breed (according to my vet). He's the best dog I've ever had....smart, friendly, good with kids and cats....I can only hope to have another like him in the future....

165 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:34:28pm

re: #161 SurferDoc

Better quote?
HellIsComing

Damn. How did I not post that first.

*feels shame*

166 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:35:06pm

re: #118 doriangrey

I give up. All I could find was this.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

167 SurferDoc  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:35:09pm

re: #162 wolfie

Indeed!
And please, don't forget to teach your children (1) the true history of Israel and (2) how to find news sources to balance the MSM view.

Abso-frakkin'-lutely!

168 Killian Bundy  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:35:14pm

It's Official, the Vikings Suck! Tarvaris Jackson doesn't really care which team he throws the ball to which makes every pass play an adventure.

/Go Texans!

169 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:35:17pm

re: #124 nyc redneck

it is so fashionable to bash israel.
all these fools who are slaves to the most egregious fashions of the day.
who know nothing. who just want to follow the crowd. to fit in.
and the others who should know better.
none thinking abt. what is really going on.
how dangerous the world is because of islam.
i have no respect for these ignorant assholes.
they are stupid enablers and a menace to us all.

True!

I've now started to change my tactics when speaking with people about this. I'm no longer waiting politely for them to declare their anti-semitic sh*t, I'm now being impolite and speak first, in no uncertain terms.
They either agree - or walk away.
They know better not start argueing back.

Age has some advantages, after all.

170 traderjoe9  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:35:51pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

Everywhere I look, I see scads and scads and scads of photos of injuried people and devastation in Gaza, attributed to being the result of Israeli bombing - I have yet to find photos of what's happening in Israel as a result of the Hamas bombing.

Does Israel keep those sorts of photos out of the press, or is there truly that much lack of interest?

All of these photos exist...Israel doesn't hide them. Like you mentioned, its simply a lack of interest in Israeli suffering. The MSM goes out of its way to paint Israel as the big, mean, war machine, the superior force against the "oppressed" Palestinian Arabs. Yet they forget to mention that Israel is surrounded by about 1.5 billion hostile Arabs who are dedicated to its destruction.

171 SurferDoc  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:35:56pm

re: #165 Wyatt Earp

Damn. How did I not post that first.

*feels shame*

I was jes' helpin' ya a bit!

172 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:36:16pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

Everywhere I look, I see scads and scads and scads of photos of injuried people and devastation in Gaza, attributed to being the result of Israeli bombing - I have yet to find photos of what's happening in Israel as a result of the Hamas bombing.

Does Israel keep those sorts of photos out of the press, or is there truly that much lack of interest?

its just the lazy media.. taking every Hamas photo as a given and not fact checking it.

there are NO INDEPENDENT WESTERN JOURNALISTS in gaza right now. none whatsoever...

173 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:36:58pm

re: #170 traderjoe9

All of these photos exist...Israel doesn't hide them. Like you mentioned, its simply a lack of interest in Israeli suffering. The MSM goes out of its way to paint Israel as the big, mean, war machine, the superior force against the "oppressed" Palestinian Arabs. Yet they forget to mention that Israel is surrounded by about 1.5 billion hostile Arabs who are dedicated to its destruction.

They have a narrative to promote, after all.

174 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:37:23pm

re: #150 fclass308

How old is your Golden? Nice looking dog. :)

Golden and "nice looking dog" ----redundant!

175 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:37:36pm

re: #171 SurferDoc

I was jes' helpin' ya a bit!

And I appreciate it!

176 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:37:46pm

re: #58 pegcity

anyone else taking a hiatus from watching any so called news programs on tv or reading their daily propaganda in paper form?

Yes. It has contributed greatly to my mental well being.

177 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:37:53pm

re: #172 buzzdroid

its just the lazy media.. taking every Hamas photo as a given and not fact checking it.

there are NO INDEPENDENT WESTERN JOURNALISTS in gaza right now. none whatsoever...

The only goal of any journalist in Gaza these days seems to be making the palis look like victims. Poor, pathetic victims...

178 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:38:03pm

re: #149 gatorbait

What would Jimmy Carter say?

You don't have to guess. He would lament that the terrorists are lacking in sophisticated weapons to repel the Israeli "aggressor".

The general showed us a graph of the many flights of Israeli planes over all parts of Lebanon, averaging about a dozen each day. Neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese Armed Forces have any anti-aircraft weapons for defense.

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

179 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:38:13pm

re: #143 wolfie

I'm all for boycotting the MSM. Why give them a dime?
But the fact is that the media, especially the big TV networks, have the power to shape events.
The USSR knew this. The NVietnamese knew it. The Palestinians know it. The Islamists know it. Wars are fought on the TV screen. All that matters is propaganda.

Yep - and propaganda of the most blatant sort works best: something, even the most ridiculous thing, will be remembered.
Time for Israel and all her friends to stop being so effen polite.

180 MJ  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:38:24pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

Everywhere I look, I see scads and scads and scads of photos of injuried people and devastation in Gaza, attributed to being the result of Israeli bombing - I have yet to find photos of what's happening in Israel as a result of the Hamas bombing.

Does Israel keep those sorts of photos out of the press, or is there truly that much lack of interest?

The problem is that the photographs themselves would be, to use the phrase being currently promoted in media, asymmetrical.
A photo of a hole in the ground or damage to an apartment building cannot capture to terror of living with hundreds of those rockets being fired at your home, your school, your children during the course of days or weeks. Living in fear cannot be captured by a photograph.

One dead Palestinian is always going to be more dramatic, more "journalistic", than a photograph of an exploded rocket on the ground.
The Palestinians know this and exploit it. And the MSM happily allows itself to be exploited.

181 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:39:07pm

re: #158 Sharmuta

Indeed.

182 rexatosis  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:39:23pm

Unfortunately there are enough weepy fools who will look at that photo and get suckerd in by it, the facts be damned. I'm glad to see Israel standing up to defend itself against Hamas. I just hope they don't stop until the job is done.

183 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:39:30pm

re: #143 wolfie

I'm all for boycotting the MSM. Why give them a dime?
But the fact is that the media, especially the big TV networks, have the power to shape events.
The USSR knew this. The NVietnamese knew it. The Palestinians know it. The Islamists know it. Wars are fought on the TV screen. All that matters is propaganda.

2nd thing Israel did was bomb the TV studio, smart move.

184 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:39:48pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

IAF Warplanes Seen Flying Over Lebanon


Something big is brewing.

Shut the fuck up, Nassie.

185 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:40:00pm

Not too many pictures of the actual targets around, I notice. They do not publish the pictures of the dead Hamas "Soldiers", do they?

186 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:40:14pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

IAF Warplanes Seen Flying Over Lebanon

Something big is brewing.

Perhaps by the grace of god the IA now has the GPS coordinates of Hassan Nasrallah's underground bunker, and a 5000lbs JDAM with Nasrallah's name on it.

187 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:40:42pm

re: #149 gatorbait

What would Jimmy Carter say?

Was that mild mannered "rabbit bait" Carter or the steely eyed "cat killer" Carter?

188 sneezey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:40:46pm

Does anyone have a link to a post that Charles put up last year which spoke about a major poll taken among Muslim leaders in the US, and how many said Islam was partly if not at all to blame for 9/11?

189 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:41:10pm

re: #145 baconeatingkaffir

I agree with you. I wonder what CNN or CBS would have done if they had been at Guadalcanal with my grandads brother or at the Battle of the Bulge etc etc.

And I wonder how WWII would have ended, if the BBC, CNN and all the FMSM had reported from inside the German cities under Allied Bomber attacks.
To be sure - they would have known nothing about any extermination camps, and would probably have praised the humanity of the ones they were guided through ...

Gah.

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:41:25pm

re: #6 Sharmuta


Hi Sharmuta!

191 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:41:38pm

re: #176 rawmuse

I agree. I listen to shortwave from time to time and look at the web. I cant watch the mainstream news anymore. It insults my intelligence. I actually did sit through the turkish news tonight watching footage of anti Israel and US protests by the beardie wierdies in Ankara and Istanbul. For the life of me I cant undestand why the Turks have so much sympathy for the Palis when turkey was one of the first countries to recognize the state of Israel in 1948. Really bizarre. The Turks only catch Al Qaeda people or Taliban douchebags a few times a month yet the public feels so sorry for them. However, I did enjoy the footage of one of the Chechen warlords and his family being deported. They sent his scarfie wife and daughters back but had to take him to the police station after he ripped up his passport. I hope he got a good thorough "interrogation" again.

192 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:41:51pm

re: #186 doriangrey

Perhaps by the grace of god the IA now has the GPS coordinates of Hassan Nasrallah's underground bunker, and a 5000lbs JDAM with Nasrallah's name on it.

Or, they are showing the Hezbollah assholes they are only a flight away from continuing the pounding they took the last time. So, they better think long and hard if they wish to get way more back than they could possible dish out.

193 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:42:04pm

re: #154 yma o hyd

Dustyvet posted the claim earlier today but I've found no article to back it up.

194 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:42:08pm

re: #170 traderjoe9

All of these photos exist...Israel doesn't hide them. Like you mentioned, its simply a lack of interest in Israeli suffering. The MSM goes out of its way to paint Israel as the big, mean, war machine, the superior force against the "oppressed" Palestinian Arabs. Yet they forget to mention that Israel is surrounded by about 1.5 billion hostile Arabs who are dedicated to its destruction.

It is true that Israel is the superior force - but it is not because they are "oppressing" the Palestinian arabs - if they did that, there would be no time to build a superior force.

Israel is a superior force because of their culture of "life", because it desires to build and to be productive, to provide for itself, to defend itself obviously, to avoid whining and looking for a handout - just basically, the entire life force of Israel is superior to that of the Palestinian arabs.

Our local paper had an interesting article yesterday about letter to "God", even letters to "Santa", that arrive in Israel. They are collected and once a year, volunteers to go the Western Wall and place all those letters into the wall, on behalf of those who wrote them, whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim - whatever. The letters are delivered to the wall by volunteers.

I cannot fathom that any Palestinian arab would care enough about anyone else to do such a thing.

195 Militant-Infidel  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:42:14pm

I wonder when Green Helmet™ will make a guest appearance.

MI

196 fclass308  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:42:41pm

re: #164 Desert Dog


His Golden lineage really shows through in the pic.

Good dogs are a real treasure. I miss my Golden that died a few years back at the ripe old age of 15.

197 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:42:57pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

IAF Warplanes Seen Flying Over Lebanon

Something big is brewing.

Looks like it, doesn't it.
I hope Hezbollah, like Hamas, are miscalculating very very badly!

198 fclass308  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:43:04pm

re: #174 wolfie

True. :)

199 debutaunt  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:43:29pm

re: #195 Militant-Infidel

I wonder when Green Helmet™ will make a guest appearance.

MI

I get a kick out of rage boy! He cracks me up every time!

200 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:43:38pm

re: #183 lifeofthemind

2nd thing Israel did was bomb the TV studio, smart move.

I did not know that! Yes, that is damned smart.

201 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:43:43pm

re: #183 lifeofthemind

2nd thing Israel did was bomb the TV studio, smart move.

my fault..

i told an israeli blogger about it as it was happening - a Hamas guy broadcasting LIVE on Sky News UK yesterday.

informed him that i think he should tell someone in charge to do something about that. voila - that was the ONLY live broadcast they managed to get out.

now it might not be as a result of me doing that - maybe they knew already. but the timing was weird. tv studio got bombed about 1 hour after my alert.

good job IAF.

202 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:43:47pm

The latest from the LA Times...

Israel broadens attacks along Gaza border

REPORTING FROM GAZA CITY AND JERUSALEM -- Israeli warplanes expanded their assault on the Gaza Strip today, launching missile strikes on the network of cross-border tunnels to Egypt that serve as a vital lifeline for the besieged coastal enclave.

Israeli tanks massed along the Gaza border as the Jewish state called up more than 6,000 army reservists in possible preparation for a land assault against the Hamas movement, which controls the strip.

As darkness fell over Gaza this evening, the situation on the territory's southern border with Egypt was chaotic and fluid. Egyptian border police traded sporadic gunfire with Gazan militants amid reports that a large group had tried to breach the border fence that Egypt has kept sealed for more than a year.

"About 100-150 Palestinians jumped over the border fence to the Egyptian side," said Gaza resident Ahmed Radwan, speaking on the phone from the town of Rafah. "They are about 300 meters into the Egyptian side but have been prevented by Egyptian forces from going any further."

Fighters from Gaza's various militant factions launched at least 30 rockets toward southern Israel, according to the Israeli army. That number was less than half the size of the barrage launched on Saturday, when Israel began its aerial assault with strikes targeting police stations and security compounds throughout Gaza.

Army Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi reportedly told the Cabinet today that 50% of Hamas' rocket-launching capabilities had been destroyed.

However, two of the Gazan rockets reached deeper into Israel than than most previous strikes, landing near the coastal city of Ashdod, 23 miles north of Gaza.

No serious injuries were reported, but the expansion of the rockets' range seemed to confirm Israeli concerns that the militant group Hamas was developing the ability to target some of the Israel's largest cities.

203 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:43:54pm

re: #183 lifeofthemind

2nd thing Israel did was bomb the TV studio, smart move.

Not going to make a dent. Pallywood headquarters may be damaged but the subsidiary offices at the NY Times, Wash Post, AP, Reuters, CNN, etc, are fully functional.

204 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:44:02pm

re: #191 baconeatingkaffir

I agree. I listen to shortwave from time to time and look at the web. I cant watch the mainstream news anymore. It insults my intelligence..

Bingo. They assume that I am as stupid as their average viewer.
Plus, they lie. Not only do they lie, but they do it, again and again and again, even after we have totally humiliated them by exposing their lies.
And as for cable news, you must be joking. The very thought of PAYING someone to pipe that bilge right in my living room is repulsive to me.

205 albusteve  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:45:07pm

re: #183 lifeofthemind

2nd thing Israel did was bomb the TV studio, smart move.

I was impressed...very smart move indeed and a hell of a message to send the freedom fighters...all comms should be destroyed

206 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:46:03pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

what a touching story! wow...

just shows the utter humanity of the Jewish people.

207 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:47:10pm

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

The latest from the LA Times...

Israel broadens attacks along Gaza border

VITAL LIFELINE?

208 psyop  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:47:14pm

re: #180 MJ


One dead Palestinian is always going to be more dramatic, more "journalistic", than a photograph of an exploded rocket on the ground.
The Palestinians know this and exploit it. And the MSM happily allows itself to be exploited.

Believe me, I wish that the United States PSYOP soldiers and marines had the same complicity in the media (local and international) that the Palestinians do. It would have made my life a whole lot easier.

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:47:36pm

Cool job of wordsmithing on that caption.

210 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:48:01pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Islam has its volunteers, ya' know. SPLODEYDOPES!

211 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:48:33pm

re: #189 yma o hyd

And I wonder how WWII would have ended, if the BBC, CNN and all the FMSM had reported from inside the German cities under Allied Bomber attacks.
To be sure - they would have known nothing about any extermination camps, and would probably have praised the humanity of the ones they were guided through ...

Gah.

There was a virtual ban on printing or showing images of dead American soldiers at the beginning of WWII. The government asked for that and the media did it. But, towards the middle of the war, they started showing pictures. Tarawa was one of the first. By the end of the war, the images were there. Newsreels showed our fallen soldiers to movie goers to remind them the war was a stark reality.

I think sometimes we need to be reminded of who we are fighting and what they want to do and have done to us. I would show the Sept 11th attacks more often. People have forgotten or have put all of that in a place in their memories they prefer not to access...We have kicked radical Islam is the teeth for years now, but they are still there....plotting and planning something even worse than 9-11. We should be vigilant in our determination to fight these monsters.....

212 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:48:37pm

re: #172 buzzdroid

its just the lazy media.. taking every Hamas photo as a given and not fact checking it.

there are NO INDEPENDENT WESTERN JOURNALISTS in gaza right now. none whatsoever...

They might at least report about the damage done by the Hamas rockets, people were injured, one was killed.
Nothing at all - and its reported at the bottom of the page, in half a sentence.
Thats balanced, that is ...

213 jaunte  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:48:44pm

re: #207 MandyManners

Looks like 'vital lifeline' is another one of those boilerplate phrases:
[Link: www.google.com...]

215 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:48:49pm

re: #201 buzzdroid

Bravo!
Maybe it had nothing to do with you, but then, who knows?
The point is, you did what you could and made the effort.
That is the thing, only thing that makes a difference!

216 psyop  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:49:12pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Islam has its volunteers, ya' know. SPLODEYDOPES!


Oooooooohhhhh..... I hate those #$*&@..........

217 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:49:24pm

re: #208 psyop

Yeah. My brother is at FT. Bragg now crosstraining into PSYOPS. HE's doing an intensive/media arabic course now. He can read it and write it to an extent but his speaking skills are pretty basic and the folks from DLI are going to be evaluating him on speaking. Arg!

218 bloodnok  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:49:33pm

re: #207 MandyManners

VITAL LIFELINE?

Protect the milk tunnels!
/

219 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:49:37pm

re: #201 buzzdroid

It was almost certainly on the target list, this is a well planned and crafteds operation, they could respond to an emergency but in Gaza I would bet that every structure, hole and vehicle is in a database.

220 guftafs  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:49:41pm

Uncritically relaying any information from Palestinian sources is dubious. But then the MSM is highly dubious when it comes to certain subjects, so I'll guess we'll just have to let this one pass.

221 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:49:41pm

re: #196 fclass308

His Golden lineage really shows through in the pic.

Good dogs are a real treasure. I miss my Golden that died a few years back at the ripe old age of 15.

I hear that....he has some hip problems. We walk him alot and keep his weight down, but that will be his undoing one day.....It will be very hard to find another dog like him.

222 wolfie  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:49:57pm

re: #203 Opinionated

Not going to make a dent. Pallywood headquarters may be damaged but the subsidiary offices at the NY Times, Wash Post, AP, Reuters, CNN, etc, are fully functional.

I would flatten them.

223 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:50:26pm

re: #185 Desert Dog

Not too many pictures of the actual targets around, I notice. They do not publish the pictures of the dead Hamas "Soldiers", do they?

Heh.
Perhaps because they don't look sufficiently civilian?

224 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:50:57pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Islam has its volunteers, ya' know. SPLODEYDOPES!

They brainwash the children to think it's holy.

225 exredtory  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:51:09pm

Maybe the photographer didn't have one of those 'throw-down' teddy bears on him to plant in the rubble, so he just grabbed a few kids for this set-up shot.

Also, reine.du.tout said: "I have yet to find photos of what's happening in Israel as a result of the Hamas bombing. Does Israel keep those sorts of photos out of the press, or is there truly that much lack of interest?"

The wire services don't shoot or run anywhere near the number of Israeli wounded in rocket attacks, as there are fewer of them, and Israelis do not indulge in the sort of death-cult corpse shows for propaganda purposes as do the Arabs. There was a photo yesterday that AP moved of the Israeli man killed by a Hamas rocket. It was gory enough, you couldn't see his face, but it's not the sort of thing most MSM care to run. They would sooner show injured or dead Palis, of course, but they don't run the goriest shots of them, either, even though they are available, with content warnings to editors. Those decisions are made at the local level, mindful of public taste, and the worst pictures are rarely run.

That said, the AP, Reuters, etc., editors really ought to be as skeptical about a lot of these photos as are as the lizardoids et al of the LGF, the blogosphere in general, and the public at large. But the MSM is populated by dullards who run in their well-worn ruts and and dislike having the received narratives changed. I know, I work there.

226 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:51:34pm

re: #203 Opinionated

Not going to make a dent. Pallywood headquarters may be damaged but the subsidiary offices at the NY Times, Wash Post, AP, Reuters, CNN, etc, are fully functional.

full spectrum warfare theory requires that they are next - not in terms of actually blowing them up - more along the lines of folks in dark suits having "meetings" with the editors. a meeting with security services can clear the mind of even the most moonbat of media types.

my bet - watch the western media coverage get progressively less and less as the military offensive intensifies.

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:51:45pm

re: #216 psyop

Oooooooohhhhh..... I hate those #$*&@..........

What voice should I use in my head for that Oooooooohhhhh? I'm thinking Elmer Fudd.

Elmer's funny.

228 traderjoe9  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:51:46pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

It is true that Israel is the superior force - but it is not because they are "oppressing" the Palestinian arabs - if they did that, there would be no time to build a superior force.

Israel is a superior force because of their culture of "life", because it desires to build and to be productive, to provide for itself, to defend itself obviously, to avoid whining and looking for a handout - just basically, the entire life force of Israel is superior to that of the Palestinian arabs.

Our local paper had an interesting article yesterday about letter to "God", even letters to "Santa", that arrive in Israel. They are collected and once a year, volunteers to go the Western Wall and place all those letters into the wall, on behalf of those who wrote them, whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim - whatever. The letters are delivered to the wall by volunteers.

I cannot fathom that any Palestinian arab would care enough about anyone else to do such a thing.

Indeed. I can't imagine any country being so outnumbered, always being in a constant state of threat and war, and yet being so successful and productive.

No amount of "aid" could have saved Israel. In 1948, Holocaust survivors and refugees literally FOTB formed a substantial part of Israel's nascent army; hardly half of Israels soldiers had any weapons; they had no air force to speak of, no navy, terrible communications, and no organized command. Winning that war was nothing short of a miracle.

Unfortunately, that drive - that desire - to fight for Israel and keep the Jewish nation alive is rapidly dissipating these last few years. A record number of Israelis are evading the military, leaving early, etc. Its sad and pathetic, almost like the base of American Jewry. Israel needs an effective leadership that can not only bring back that pride to Israelis, but to Jews worldwide - just as they did following the 1967 war.

229 psyop  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:51:52pm

re: #217 baconeatingkaffir

Green Beret?

230 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:53:09pm

re: #191 baconeatingkaffir

Isn't their Prime Minister an open islamist, as is his party?
And isn't he trying to overthrow Kemal Ataturk's secular state?
That might be a reason why they're so arab-friendly ...

231 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:53:19pm

re: #225 exredtory

I have to agree with you. Wasn't it David Hackworth (RIP) who busted the nose of one of the CNN reporters for talking smack live from Saudi Arabia and the guy went on the air and said something about being caught in a Scud alarm? Maybe we need more former military people in the media.... not just the retired generals who sold out .

232 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:53:43pm

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

The latest from the LA Times...

Israel broadens attacks along Gaza border

What vital lifeline? Just don't commit crime and you can trade legally through two countries. They insist on making everything criminal and threatening. Compare Gaza with Singapore.

233 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:53:50pm

re: #215 wolfie

Bravo!
Maybe it had nothing to do with you, but then, who knows?
The point is, you did what you could and made the effort.
That is the thing, only thing that makes a difference!

thats exactly my point - we army of lizards can help israel.

israel cant keep track of the media - we certainly can. for them.

234 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:53:52pm

OTL: like I was saying yesterday - why I think Rush Limbaugh's songs hurt the republican party.

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

235 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:54:42pm

re: #229 psyop

No, he's in the 82nd. I think he has plans to go through selection again. He was failed the last time because he broke his arm and refused to go on profile and failed his PT test.

236 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:54:46pm

Looking good, Nassie.

237 psyop  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:55:00pm

re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elmer works.

*sung to the tune of "Kill the Wabbit"*

Kill the martyr, kill the martyr, kill the MAAAARTYR!

238 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:55:52pm

With all their bellicose talk, I would have imagined that Hezbollah would have gotten into the fight. At least to open up a two front conflict for Israel.

That they haven't- and likely won't- is proof that Islam's threats- when they are not terrorising defenseless innocents- are empty and confronting the bastards on our terms is the only way to deal with them.

239 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:55:59pm

re: #236 MandyManners

Looking good, Nassie.


isn't that Mrs. Nassie? (pre-tweezer)

240 notutopia  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:56:11pm

re: #53 lifeofthemind

nuanced? The question has not been answered yet. IS this actual injury or staged sympathy?
There is a vast difference in my personal perpective of actual child abuse depending upon whether you are viewing this moral/ethical abuse dilemma from the eyes and laws of an American, an African, an Indian, a Chinese. Each country has it's boundaries of what is acceptable or not for child exploitation. This is a fact and not a nuance.
I am an American. It's exploitative. This however, is occurring in Gaza. To them it's acceptable.
If I were that American working in China or Africa or Gaza, it would not be considered child abuse. That is a sad fact. I have worked in numerous countries where the children are still considered just "property" and incidentals of the family. In my case, I have had to treat abused children and send them right back out into the family that perpetrated that abuse. It is very difficult to work in this type of socially skewed environment.
What we view and call abuse here in the USA, we think it is ALL abhorrent if it involves child exploitation. Those US judgement rules do not apply around the globe. (Unless you are stateside making that judgement.)

241 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:56:18pm

re: #221 Desert Dog

I hear that....he has some hip problems. We walk him alot and keep his weight down, but that will be his undoing one day.....It will be very hard to find another dog like him.

Looks like a sweetie

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:57:00pm

re: #236 MandyManners

Of course, he would have been pissed if someone photo-shopped him like that.

243 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:57:17pm

re: #215 wolfie

Bravo!
Maybe it had nothing to do with you, but then, who knows?
The point is, you did what you could and made the effort.
That is the thing, only thing that makes a difference!

by the way - sky news has been RE-RUNNING that live broadcast from the Hamas studio all day today. the SAME CLIP

its bloody obvious that they couldnt do another one... and sky never mentioned why.

hah!

if i ever meet the IAF pilot that did the business, i'll buy him a pint or two or three.. job well done.

244 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:58:18pm

re: #234 FrogMarch

OTL: like I was saying yesterday - why I think Rush Limbaugh's songs hurt the republican party.

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

a) they are not his songs b) they are PARODY c) Rush is not running for office.

245 guftafs  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:58:53pm

What media bias?

* 2008 Jun: With Egyptian mediation, Hamas and Israel agree to a six- month ceasefire in Gaza with militants saying they will stop firing rockets while Israel says it will stop offensive operations.

* 2008 Nov: Israel breaks ceasefire by sending ground troops into Gaza. Rocket fire resumes sparking exchanges.

* 2008 Dec 19: Attempts to renew ceasefire fail amid mutual recriminations.

* 2008 Dec 27: Israel launches operation Cast Lead attacking buildings and facilities connected to Hamas.

Damn them.

246 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:59:16pm

re: #241 lifeofthemind

Looks like a sweetie

That's a fine look dog in your avatar too. Those are great dogs!

247 jaunte  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 12:59:52pm

Interesting bit about the economy of starving Gaza:


The goods that come through the tunnels include livestock, cement, steel rods, refrigerators and computer screens, along with Coca-Cola, cigarettes and pharmaceuticals such as the erectile-dysfunction drug, Viagra. At a mobile-telephone store in Gaza City, a smuggled Apple iPod Nano 4-gigabyte model sells for $500. It lists for $149.99 on Amazon.com.


[Link: tribes.tribe.net...]
So who has the disposable income for a $500 iPod Nano?

248 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:00:14pm

the Iranian government likes to brainwash children too.
[Link: www.hyscience.com...]

249 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:00:35pm

re: #193 MandyManners

Dustyvet posted the claim earlier today but I've found no article to back it up.

I can't find it any longer either - it was a paragraph in a report, probably jpost, but seems to have been taken out.

250 albusteve  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:01:12pm

re: #238 Opinionated

With all their bellicose talk, I would have imagined that Hezbollah would have gotten into the fight. At least to open up a two front conflict for Israel.

That they haven't- and likely won't- is proof that Islam's threats- when they are not terrorising defenseless innocents- are empty and confronting the bastards on our terms is the only way to deal with them.

I think they are just waiting to see what happens in Gaza...thier chances would improve somewhat if the IDF goes in on the ground...still if the IDF ravages Hamas face to face you'd think Hez would shit they're pants...

251 Militant-Infidel  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:01:15pm

re: #199 debutaunt

I get a kick out of rage boy! He cracks me up every time!

Now that the action seems to be spreading north (to Lebanon) as well, I suspect we will also see a newly painted ambulance with a big hole in it as well. Can't let that old junk go to waste you know.

MI

252 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:01:22pm
"In the context of total aerial supremacy, in which one side in a conflict deploys lethal aircraft against opponents with no means of defending themselves, the bombardment bears all the hallmarks of war crimes."

In the context of total aerial inferiority, in which one side in a conflict lacks aircraft against opponents and attacks anyway, we have a population that bears all the hallmarks of record-breaking stupidity and desire for death.

253 lifeofthemind  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:01:31pm

re: #240 notutopia

Wrong, every functioning human society, anywhere has two taboos:
1) incest
2) child abuse
The definitions of what is a child or how close a blood relative can vary but the principle appears to be almost hard wired. Violate those norms and your society dies.

254 yochanan  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:02:07pm

[Link: www.funnychill.com...]

GIVE ME A BEER

255 psyop  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:02:16pm

re: #235 baconeatingkaffir

No, he's in the 82nd. I think he has plans to go through selection again. He was failed the last time because he broke his arm and refused to go on profile and failed his PT test.

Excellent, I had the pleasure of working with some guys from the 2-325 PIR (if memory serves) in Mosul during OIF 3.

Give him my best, and a rousing "AIRBORNE!"

256 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:02:20pm

re: #236 MandyManners

Looking good, Nassie.

Now we know what kind of beefcake turns you on.

/

257 Desert Dog  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:02:38pm

re: #247 jaunte

Interesting bit about the economy of starving Gaza:


[Link: tribes.tribe.net...]
So who has the disposable income for a $500 iPod Nano?

Oh, I don;t know...maybe someone taking aid money for personal gain...I hear that has happened a few times in the past in Gaza...

258 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:03:19pm

re: #238 Opinionated

With all their bellicose talk, I would have imagined that Hezbollah would have gotten into the fight. At least to open up a two front conflict for Israel.

That they haven't- and likely won't- is proof that Islam's threats- when they are not terrorising defenseless innocents- are empty and confronting the bastards on our terms is the only way to deal with them.

i have two theories about hezbollah..

a) hezbollah portray themselves as "defenders of the lebanese against the zionist agressor"... that is important. to go into action on behalf of the pallywooders would undermine that propaganda. nationalism trumps islam everytime.

and theory b) and this is more worrying for israel...

hamas is luring the IDF into a trap. an urban warfare trap. which israel will have to respond to and move northern forces south to deal with it.

THEN, Iran will say to Hez - "go"...

my analysis is that the IDF cannot be lured into gaza. the siege option is the best strategy. and that will keep Hez at bay.

259 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:04:29pm

re: #206 buzzdroid

what a touching story! wow...

just shows the utter humanity of the Jewish people.

I can't find the article online - it was written by Michelle Chabin of the Religion News Service, and newspapers that ran it apparently do not have permission to reproduce the article in their online version.

260 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:04:55pm

re: #244 rawmuse

a) they are not his songs b) they are PARODY c) Rush is not running for office.

The men running for the chairmanship of the RNC used his song. The song that could-be-construed-as-racist - "Magic Negro". (yes I know that phrase originated from a columnist at the LA times - not the point)
It was a distasteful, unprofessional and stupid stunt. The RNC chairmanship is not the Rush Limbaugh show.

and ... from the link

The rest of the nation must rightly wonder who the hell these Southern white guys are running for RNC Chairman and what their problem is. Let’s face it, the song is really innocuous, but it’ll take forever to explain why. If perception is reality, and it is in cases like this, Saltsman has suffered a very significant self-inflicted wound.

And Newt Gingrich didn’t mince words: “This is so inappropriate that it should disqualify any Republican National Committee candidate who would use it.”

261 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:05:56pm

re: #240 notutopia

what you just wrote is called "moral relativism". and that is a philosophy that allows evil to fester.

i have no time for such bollocks.

262 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:06:01pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

Gaza attacks like war crimes - Tutu

How does he feel about the Detroit Lions?

263 albusteve  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:07:05pm

re: #252 itellu3times

In the context of total aerial inferiority, in which one side in a conflict lacks aircraft against opponents and attacks anyway, we have a population that bears all the hallmarks of record-breaking stupidity and desire for death.

perfectly worded....Hamas could do better...underground bunkers and hardened targets etc if they were smart...they could maul the IDF in a defensive fight if they were smart....but they are a phoney bunch of gansters tho and will go down in heaps if the IDF so chooses

264 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:07:34pm

re: #260 FrogMarch

Get used to being defeated on a regular basis then, because I promise you that EVERY Republican objection to ANY Obama action is going to be called Racist.

265 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:08:43pm

re: #259 reine.de.tout

I can't find the article online - it was written by Michelle Chabin of the Religion News Service, and newspapers that ran it apparently do not have permission to reproduce the article in their online version.

if you find a link can you post it?

who are the volunteers? do they post photos of the letters on the wall to something like flickr.com?

just thinking here - this could be a way for all kids to connect to israel. even my kids...

it is SUCH a great idea...

now a letter to "God" would be a bit much to expect of a 5 year old... but a letter to "Baby Jesus" would be an idea... works doesnt it? goes along with the traditional "letter to santa"

just a thought.

266 albusteve  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:09:00pm

re: #258 buzzdroid

i have two theories about hezbollah..

a) hezbollah portray themselves as "defenders of the lebanese against the zionist agressor"... that is important. to go into action on behalf of the pallywooders would undermine that propaganda. nationalism trumps islam everytime.

and theory b) and this is more worrying for israel...

hamas is luring the IDF into a trap. an urban warfare trap. which israel will have to respond to and move northern forces south to deal with it.

THEN, Iran will say to Hez - "go"...

my analysis is that the IDF cannot be lured into gaza. the siege option is the best strategy. and that will keep Hez at bay.

game time...I'd like to get into this more buy suffice to say Israel can handle both easily...if they drop all pretenses and fight....

267 notutopia  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:09:31pm

re: #253 lifeofthemind
If you are in Gaza as a palistinian, islamic, and you used your children to stage this photo would you be lawfully charged with child abuse?

268 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:09:55pm

re: #260 FrogMarch

I suggest you direct your anger toward the people who are responsible for the use of the song, not Rush. Rush is entertainment. He is not an elected official. He is not even in the RNC.

And BTW, I think that Paul Shanklin is hysterical funny.

269 yma o hyd  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:11:21pm

"Defense Minister Ehud Barak allowed crossings into Gaza to be opened on Sunday for humanitarian aid to go through, signaling to the world that Israel was fighting a war against Hamas in Gaza but not against the civilian population.

Thirty humanitarian aid trucks were set to pass into the Gaza Strip Sunday. Defense officials said that the number of trucks was decided upon in coordination with international aid groups.

Israel also planned to allow some Palestinians wounded in Saturday's offensive on Hamas to enter Israel to receive medical treatment.

Officials said the decision to open the crossings and offer assistance to the wounded was part of Israel's effort to create international legitimacy for its continued operations against Hamas.

The military reported that a very low percentage of civilians were killed in the strikes, citing on 15 known cases of collateral damage."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

270 albusteve  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:11:26pm

re: #262 itellu3times

How does he feel about the Detroit Lions?

dont know but I'm starting to think the Lions should genocide themselves...

juuuust kidding...?

271 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:12:13pm

re: #266 albusteve

game time...I'd like to get into this more buy suffice to say Israel can handle both easily...if they drop all pretenses and fight....

Do not be too optimistic, Israel did not handle Hezboolah very well in Lebanon, and I would say that they would do equally poorly in any advance into prepared territory - though Lebanon was an extreme case, it showed the way.

I hope Israel has changed tactics and could do a little better, but seriously better will require B-52 loads of smart (or dumb) bombs, that they just don't have. And do not assume that the opposition is standing still, there are evermore of the damnable anti-tank rockets getting ove there, and other cheap shaped-charge weapons that are just too powerful against any armor.

272 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:12:24pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

Gaza attacks like war crimes - Tutu

Or maybe they're strikes against legitimate military targets in self defense, take your pick.

/hey, someone toss Mr. Tutuman another Nobel peace prize

sounds like Tutu is still seething over Israeli - S. African military links before the ANC took over...

as far as i know the pre-anc white government has never told Mbeke and the ANC how to build a nuke.

yeah.... bit jealous there... thus the seething.

273 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:13:41pm

re: #264 rawmuse

Get used to being defeated on a regular basis then, because I promise you that EVERY Republican objection to ANY Obama action is going to be called Racist.

If the democrats want to play that game, they can. We know Obama can use the race card whenever he wants. I predict that tactic will wear thin.
The Republicans do not need self-inflicted wounds. The republicans do not need to give the left opportunities. Using that song was not helpful. so yes - if the Republicans are going to use Rush Limbaugh songs as the backbone of their platform, say goodbye to the Republican party's chances.
The republicans need to learn how to get their message out without looking like idiots.

274 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:13:48pm

re: #238 Opinionated

With all their bellicose talk, I would have imagined that Hezbollah would have gotten into the fight. At least to open up a two front conflict for Israel.

That they haven't- and likely won't- is proof that Islam's threats- when they are not terrorising defenseless innocents- are empty and confronting the bastards on our terms is the only way to deal with them.

Hezbollah is fully aware that attacking Israel while Israel is dealing with Hamas would result in Israel opening a industrial sized can of Whoop Ass on them. Hezbollah want's to kill Israeli's and Jew's, they dont want to get wiped off the face of the earth for striking at Israel while Israel has her gloves even part way off.

275 notutopia  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:14:13pm

re: #261 buzzdroid

Agree. And that is why I no longer volunteer my medical services to third world countries. It is a travesty to watch
children abused because of neglect of clean food and water or the refusal to accept basic immunizations because the family believes they are evil.

276 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:14:35pm

re: #266 albusteve

well, based on the fighting talk from Livni and Barak, i agree with you.

sure as hell appears as if they've gone into "destroy hamas" mode , and f**k international opinion.

and good on them too for doing so. about bloody time.

277 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:15:56pm

re: #273 FrogMarch

The entire problem is not Rush's. It lies with the RNC. Rush gets to run whatever song he wants. If you want to lay this at Rush's feet, that is just plain wrong.

278 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:17:01pm

re: #275 notutopia

Agree. And that is why I no longer volunteer my medical services to third world countries. It is a travesty to watch
children abused because of neglect of clean food and water or the refusal to accept basic immunizations because the family believes they are evil.

cuts me up when i read such stories.
get one of those stories in front of me and i am reduced to tears. honestly...

my only answer to such a thing is that it is PURE EVIL.
what other explanation is there?

279 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:17:14pm

re: #268 rawmuse

I suggest you direct your anger toward the people who are responsible for the use of the song, not Rush. Rush is entertainment. He is not an elected official. He is not even in the RNC.

And BTW, I think that Paul Shanklin is hysterical funny.

Re-read the post. The anger from all of my above posts on this subject is toward the folks who used the song. and I have every right to feel anger towards Rush, too. He created the dumb thing. Lately I think Rush has gone down hill. In fact I think he needs to retire and give his show to Jason Lewis. (with all due respect to Rush for all the great things he has done) I just don't think most of the songs are helpful. Rush has a problem with saying things that end up biting the overall cause in the ass. and I'm sick of it.

down ding away!

280 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:18:47pm

re: #276 buzzdroid

well, based on the fighting talk from Livni and Barak, i agree with you.

sure as hell appears as if they've gone into "destroy hamas" mode , and f**k international opinion.

and good on them too for doing so. about bloody time.

Here's the problem with that: you can't beat something with nothing. Destroy Hamas, and who or what governs Gaza?

281 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:20:08pm

re: #275 notutopia

Agree. And that is why I no longer volunteer my medical services to third world countries. It is a travesty to watch
children abused because of neglect of clean food and water or the refusal to accept basic immunizations because the family believes they are evil.

of course - you will never see a Bono or Bob Geldof or a "Feed the World" celeb bash for such children.

oh dear - the Africans can be evil bastards rather than puppy eyed famine victims?

sad isnt it. i trust that the christian charities are doing something about it.. i sure hope they are.

282 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:20:27pm

re: #279 FrogMarch

You described them as "Rush Limbaugh's songs, in which you are factually incorrect. You did that in your original post.

Repeat, you were factually incorrect.

283 buzzdroid  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:20:49pm

re: #280 itellu3times

Here's the problem with that: you can't beat something with nothing. Destroy Hamas, and who or what governs Gaza?

Fatah.

they were in charge of Gaza before the Hamas takeover.

284 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:21:09pm

re: #279 FrogMarch

I haven't been able to listen to Rush now for several months, but the snippets I catch are that he is still politically smart and sharp - but maybe not so much on the economy, not technically nor emotionally, he just has too much money of his own (criticism he gets a lot and has acknowledged and tries to offset, though not so far with any real success IMHO).

285 itellu3times  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:22:11pm

re: #283 buzzdroid

Fatah.

they were in charge of Gaza before the Hamas takeover.

But Fatah proved unable to face down Hamas at the ballot box or on the battlefield. I'm afraid Fatah is still - nothing.

286 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:22:41pm

re: #282 rawmuse

You described them as "Rush Limbaugh's songs, in which you are factually incorrect. You did that in your original post.

Repeat, you were factually incorrect.


Paul Shanklin's songs - given life on the Rush Limbaugh show. there.
That better?

To me they are Rush Limbaugh's babies.

287 unclassifiable  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:27:15pm

What a load of crap CNN is.

First this morning we see a picture of a Palestinian tossing rocks at the IDF as if this what the entire Gaza provication amounts to.

Then a picture of an IDF soldier with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth as if there was some evil idiotic symbolism there.

Of course at the top of the of the CNN stories in the U.S. edition (stories = narrative in CNN-speak) are the following:

Official: Gaza humanitarian plight 'disastrous'
Obama closely monitoring Gaza, adviser says

The first is BS and the second is WGAFF.

288 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:27:24pm

re: #284 itellu3times

I haven't been able to listen to Rush now for several months, but the snippets I catch are that he is still politically smart and sharp - but maybe not so much on the economy, not technically nor emotionally, he just has too much money of his own (criticism he gets a lot and has acknowledged and tries to offset, though not so far with any real success IMHO).


If you tune into his show and take anything out of context, it could be construed as totally outrageous. Paul Shanklin has this song called "We hate the U...S..A..." and they play it and it sounds like The Rush Limbaugh show hates the USA. The man is tone def.
I agree, he is sharp but not technically. It's all from his gut. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it's really off-putting. I prefer his guest hosts.

289 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:28:13pm

re: #280 itellu3times

Here's the problem with that: you can't beat something with nothing. Destroy Hamas, and who or what governs Gaza?

Fatah. And the downside of all this is that they in fact are more dangerous to Israel.

If Hamas is so defeated that Fatah can retake Gaza, Israel will be under tremendous pressure to surrender to the "moderates" of Fatah up to the pre-1967 borders. As a first step.

290 Opinionated  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:30:30pm

re: #285 itellu3times

But Fatah proved unable to face down Hamas at the ballot box or on the battlefield. I'm afraid Fatah is still - nothing.

Fatah is something. They are terrorists.

They are also embraced by the West, by the US and by some Israelis.

They are a Trojan Horse for Israel.

291 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:31:32pm

re: #286 FrogMarch

There is always NPR, you know. May be more to your liking. :)
/

292 guftafs  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:35:17pm

re: #280 itellu3times

Here's the problem with that: you can't beat something with nothing. Destroy Hamas, and who or what governs Gaza?

Who cares? The Palestinians are not an entity to grant the status of "statehood" or "authoritarianhood" to, especially since they are so keen on killing non-Palestinians when allowed to. Their rights as individuals would in fact be amply protected under the state of Israel, as those Palestinians who live under Israeli rule would admit were they free to.

293 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:36:43pm

re: #291 rawmuse

There is always NPR, you know. May be more to your liking. :)
/

I think my frustration stems form the fact that the democrat party is so full of bad ideas and corruption - and the republicans still can't get their act together. Rush is a huge influence. I want Rush to be a fabulous influence. I no longer think he is... (just my own opinion) (of course the pathetic freedom of speech killing democrats still want to silence him.)

National Propaganda Radio sucks! Please don't make me listen to it.
;-)

294 notutopia  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:48:26pm

re: #278 buzzdroid

Ignorance in some cases. Religious beliefs/ideology in some. Fear in some cases. Ethnic culture in some.
Evil is a moral dilemma. The outcome of any of these causes is the effect of neglect and abuse and death.

295 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:51:06pm

re: #293 FrogMarch

No one is making you listen to anything. We have free choice here in America, at least for the time being.

296 WriterMom  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 1:59:30pm

Terrorists.

297 WriterMom  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:00:20pm

re: #191 baconeatingkaffir

beardie weirdies?

LOL

298 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:01:42pm

My diagnosis is that the guy was picking his nose with untrimmed fingernails.

I mean, seriously, that's an amazingly small amount of blood on his clothes for someone who was allegedly wounded in a missile attack.

I'm speaking as someone who once had to go to the ER to get a scalp laceration looked at (and closed -- with FIVE stitches!), after a large marble wall tile dislodged and bonked me on the head while I was helping a friend move into a pre-WWII building in Spanish Harlem. Even though my injury wasn't particularly serious, my clothes ended up looking a lot worse than that Palestinian guy's!

299 WriterMom  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:02:01pm

re: #129 buzzdroid

Maybe get in touch with Aaron-Internet Hagannah. Also there are opportunities for non-citizens to volunteer-see Volunteers for Israel, non-combat volunteer roles.

300 WriterMom  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:04:44pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Yes, every note that gets addressed to "G-D", or Jesus, that ends up in Israel gets taken care of by the Israeli postal service and volunteers who work with the Rabbi of the Kotel and they put every note into the Kotel.

301 WriterMom  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:05:59pm

re: #75 MJ

Actually the Israeli GSS and police and army are on high alert for terrorist attacks within Israel.

302 WriterMom  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:07:25pm

re: #57 MandyManners

I often write letters to the MSM head honchos that I specify are not for publication even-but about concerns about editorial wording. Just to let them know someone is watching-if you can make a good case, and seem impartial sometimes it has an influence.

303 Green Helmet Guy  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:11:37pm

re: #29 buzzdroid

folks - i bring you - "pointed finger pallywood man in front of smoke"...

[Link: www.imgfreehost.com...]

this also needs to be on the front page of LGF...


"De Plane boss, look, de plane!"

304 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:14:20pm

re: #298 Throbert McGee

But he's got his hand on his oozing pancreas. come on!

/

305 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:14:23pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

Gaza attacks like war crimes - Tutu

Or maybe they're strikes against legitimate military targets in self defense, take your pick.

/hey, someone toss Mr. Tutuman another Nobel peace prize

"K-B" -

And now you know why the Late President Reagan's opinion of Tutu was "So-So." In other news, Gaza newsmen are busily looking for THE BINKY before taking their next batch of pictures.

-S-

306 Reluctant Democrat  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:16:52pm

I thought "staged" when I saw the usual pictures on the news of Palis running with "bodies" right past the waiting cameras. Only saw blood on one. Of course the media did not question the whole kabuki--or didn't tell their sucker viewers that they questioned it.

307 talon_262  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:21:16pm

re: #279 FrogMarch

Re-read the post. The anger from all of my above posts on this subject is toward the folks who used the song. and I have every right to feel anger towards Rush, too. He created the dumb thing. Lately I think Rush has gone down hill. In fact I think he needs to retire and give his show to Jason Lewis. (with all due respect to Rush for all the great things he has done) I just don't think most of the songs are helpful. Rush has a problem with saying things that end up biting the overall cause in the ass. and I'm sick of it.

down ding away!

OK...

308 jordash1212  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:41:17pm

Kids don't look too happy to be there.

309 Truck Monkey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:48:16pm

Quickly Aisha. Lay down next to the bloody man!

310 RobCon  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 2:58:44pm

Hoo-Ray for Paliwood!

311 daveycrockett  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:05:12pm

These "palestinians" are absolutely pathetic, Israel needs to take an even stronger position with the current situation before BHO takes office if they plan on lasting another decade.

312 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:11:15pm

re: #230 yma o hyd

Isn't their Prime Minister an open islamist, as is his party?
And isn't he trying to overthrow Kemal Ataturk's secular state?
That might be a reason why they're so arab-friendly ...

Its a strange situation for Turkey. I've seen Israeli tourists here and a few times when I visited a friend of mine who is an officer in the Turkish army, there were some Israelis at the Officer's club. There was/is joint cooperation between the Turkish armed forces and the IDF.
The Prime Minister and his cronies are all Islamists. They're being investigated now for vote rigging. There are 6 million "excess votes" from the last election. This is going to be interesting. The Arabs have money. Since Turkey is in a sever financial crisis now, anything with money gets a voice. This isnt the same country I came back to in 1997 nor the same country I first visited in 1990. Anywhere with a dominant Islamic government becomes a thirdworld shithole.

313 dahozho  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:17:56pm

These look a whole lot like the kids in a photo of a car with the back window smashed out. (On Carl in Jerusalem's site?) I'm going to see if I can find that one again and compare/contrast...

That said, those people seem not to have a problem using their kids (dead or alive, remember the fauxtography story in S. Lebanon with that poor dead child being moved for *days* from site to site and photographed?) for propaganda. The reports one can get re: abuse in the 'territories' are just astounding.

314 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:30:41pm

Pathetic staged photo of a doll in barbed wire.

A doll with a Palestinian flag representing children killed in Gaza, is seen hung by protesters on the barbed wire in front the the Egyptian embassy, during a demonstration held by leftist and Palestinian groups to protest Israel's attacks against the Gaza Strip, in Beirut, Lebanon, Sunday Dec. 28, 2008.
315 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:30:48pm

re: #279 FrogMarch

Re-read the post. The anger from all of my above posts on this subject is toward the folks who used the song. and I have every right to feel anger towards Rush, too. He created the dumb thing. Lately I think Rush has gone down hill. In fact I think he needs to retire and give his show to Jason Lewis. (with all due respect to Rush for all the great things he has done) I just don't think most of the songs are helpful. Rush has a problem with saying things that end up biting the overall cause in the ass. and I'm sick of it.

down ding away!

Frog -

Am aware of the entire background of Shanklin, THE Tune, and the CD. It WAS satire, and taken as such by President Elect Obama himself during the campaign. Was it POOR TASTE to distribute the CD with THE Tune at this time, probably so with regard to respecting the Office of the President during this transition time. I have a CD of Thomas Dolby - bought legitimately through Napster - that has "Blinded Me With Science" burnt to it Twice. Saltsman probably should have cut a version sans - THE Tune. That he hasn't says more about Saltsman than anything else. He will rise or fall as a result. Meanwhile, I give the President Elect credit for having a sense of humor beyond that of his acolytes. In my world, a person who can not laugh at jokes about themselves - and parry back - is more problematical emotionally than one who can. My "problems" with the President Elect are strictly "political" - as opposed to personal. To date, by his appointments, he has both reassured me AND given me pause, mostly on domestic "Green" and Tax Policies, which I SHALL OPPOSE. As to the RNC Chairmanship - "...Make Mine a STEELE..."

-S-

316 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:33:46pm

re: #312 baconeatingkaffir

Its a strange situation for Turkey. I've seen Israeli tourists here and a few times when I visited a friend of mine who is an officer in the Turkish army, there were some Israelis at the Officer's club. There was/is joint cooperation between the Turkish armed forces and the IDF.
The Prime Minister and his cronies are all Islamists. They're being investigated now for vote rigging. There are 6 million "excess votes" from the last election. This is going to be interesting. The Arabs have money. Since Turkey is in a sever financial crisis now, anything with money gets a voice. This isnt the same country I came back to in 1997 nor the same country I first visited in 1990. Anywhere with a dominant Islamic government becomes a thirdworld shithole.

"bek" -

As to your last sentence "...becomes a third world shit hole..." let me add
VERY QUICKLY! That is all.

-S-

317 infidel4ever  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:51:10pm

re: #313 dahozho

You mean this one?

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

318 dahozho  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 3:59:46pm

re: #317 infidel4ever

Yes, that's the one! Still can't really tell, but the same type of propaganda.

319 infidel4ever  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 4:16:13pm

re: #318 dahozho

Yes, they are really just staged propaganda. Happily printed by our MSM.
Good grief!

320 tackle  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 4:24:44pm

re: #317 infidel4ever
Imagine for a moment if we were to do the same and parade our children around ground zero at the time of the attacks. It simply would not stand. I'm so tired of this propaganda and the media that supports it.

321 rawmuse  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 4:51:17pm

re: #279 FrogMarch

Re-read the post. The anger from all of my above posts on this subject is toward the folks who used the song. and I have every right to feel anger towards Rush, too. He created the dumb thing. Lately I think Rush has gone down hill. In fact I think he needs to retire and give his show to Jason Lewis. (with all due respect to Rush for all the great things he has done) I just don't think most of the songs are helpful. Rush has a problem with saying things that end up biting the overall cause in the ass. and I'm sick of it.

down ding away!

Your agenda is transparent, which is OK with me. But you tried to pull it off with mendacity, which is not only not OK, but is right out if the Democraps playbook.
So, shame on you. You should know better than to try and get away with that here.

You don't like Rush, fine, don't listen to him. But don't try to hang responsibility for an asinine PR stunt around his neck.

And don't ally with frikin' Chuckie Shumer and try to get the tyrannical power of the government to get him shut down.

322 Kenneth  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:01:54pm

The kids in the picture up top look a lot like these kids in another obviously staged scene

We should search for all the Pali-prop pictures of kids and see if we find the same 4 adorable little prop-tots.

323 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:02:50pm

re: #321 rawmuse

Do you actually read my posts?

324 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:04:57pm
325 Kenneth  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:06:28pm

re: #302 WriterMom

You! Greetings from snowing Vancouver!

326 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:07:33pm
327 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:08:44pm
328 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:12:32pm

re: #321 rawmuse

I think you have a comprehension problem.

I can't stand chuck Schumer and have railed against him here on many occasions.
read this: via Instapundit:
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
I agree with it 100%. In it, no mention of hanging anything on Rush.

Just becasue I don't have blind faith allegiance in Rush Limbaugh doesn't make me a "democrap" with an agenda. (I suppose next you will accuse me of being a seminar caller?) LOL! My only agenda is that I think Shanklin's songs are unhelpful. Add to that the idiotic use of those songs by RNC chair hopefuls. I want to defeat "democraps". This is not how you do it.

329 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:37:25pm

re: #328 FrogMarch

Frog -

As regards Sen. Schumer - Had the Jews a Pope, I would suggest excommunication - along with Sen. Boxer, Sen. Feinstein, Sen. Feingold, Rep. Frank and others. We do not, which may be for the best - Faith is Personal, Politics are Public - That which is Caesar's belongs to Caesar - Hashem might have other ideas - which same ideas I SHALL leave to Hashem. That is all.

-S-

330 FlagPony  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:38:55pm

so why did hamas decide to 'end the ceasefire/truce'?
(other than the fact that they are murderous thugs)
What is their official line on why they decided to return to rocket fire?

331 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:45:12pm

re: #330 FlagPony

so why did hamas decide to 'end the ceasefire/truce'?
(other than the fact that they are murderous thugs)
What is their official line on why they decided to return to rocket fire?

"Flagster" -

They thought they could GET AWAY with it. GWB had only +/- 25 days to go as POTUS, and Israel in the midst of an electoral campaign. They saw OBAMA as a friend at minimum. Without getting further into it, which I could for frame after frame - THEIR BAD - THEIR SAD.

-S-

332 FlagPony  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:48:22pm

re: #331 Dr. Shalit

thanks for the insightful commentary...i'm currently, unfortunately living in he belly of the beast here in the bay area and need as much edumacation as i can get to combat these fools lies.....
flagster

333 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 5:57:29pm

re: #332 FlagPony

thanks for the insightful commentary...i'm currently, unfortunately living in he belly of the beast here in the bay area and need as much edumacation as i can get to combat these fools lies.....
flagster

"Flagster" -

Take heart - the original "Belly of the Beast" dweller that I know of was JONAH. I am worse, like David Horowitz, I WAS an appendage of the BEAST. Follow your own "Different Drummer" even if all it gives you are two hands full of POOP. POOP washes off, truth lives forever.

-S-

334 FlagPony  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 6:06:38pm

re: #333 Dr. Shalit


Thanks man! I'm actually working at the VA here so I'm surrounded by at least some reasonable peeps. I travel all around the country to the different va's though and the footprint of the american chicken is much more prevalent here than in any other va i've been around!

335 doriangrey  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 6:08:23pm

re: #333 Dr. Shalit

"Flagster" -

Take heart - the original "Belly of the Beast" dweller that I know of was JONAH. I am worse, like David Horowitz, I WAS an appendage of the BEAST. Follow your own "Different Drummer" even if all it gives you are two hands full of POOP. POOP washes off, truth lives forever.

-S-

Hmmm, arm of the beast? Would you by any chance care to elaborate on that?

336 WriterMom  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 6:51:05pm

re: #325 Kenneth

Hi Kenneth!

It's pretty nice here.

337 Silas  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 6:53:16pm

re: #33 MJ

Goes along with this story:

Israel is addicted to violence

The attack on the Gaza strip is proof that Israel is addicted to violence. Slaughtering 155 civilians, many of whom are women and children, can not be justified.
[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

The sub-context to these stories is the Blood Libel.
It's pure antisemitism.


I sure hope the guy that wrote this article isn’t representative of the British people now days. The British people are a tough resilient lot who faced down Hitler, their symbol is the bulldog. The sissy that wrote that article is nothing but a Yorkie.

338 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:02:10pm
339 Bill Jefferson  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:04:40pm

Huh, "waves of simultaneous air strikes" -- isn't that paradoxical? Perhaps westerners are expected to read "simultaneous" and be reminded of al Qaeda.

340 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:05:14pm
341 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:06:13pm
342 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:06:30pm
343 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:08:54pm

Dorian -

No Problem - I was that far out then - My Mom and Dad were Depression Kids.
Essentially "Social Democrats" - Made Me a "Pink Diaper Doper Baby" - especially since my mom's older sister went through a "Loyalty Hearing" in the early 1950's - after working for Eastern Aircraft - (GM Building Grumman __Cat Naval Fighter Aircraft in Linden, NJ) because she could read and write RUSSIAN - She was Born there - and taught ME the Cyrillic Alphabet when I was 3 years old!, along with the Latin Alphabet. Quite a Woman she was, unheralded and unsung AND - HERE MEMORIALIZED. She returned to US Gov't. Employment late in her life at the former "INS" - now - "ICE" and never ceased to complain about "Middle Easterners" being allowed in "anyhow" after initially NOT meeting requirements. Does that tell you something?
From that background, I got older, matured and learned - 'nuff said.

-S-

344 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:12:54pm

re: #338 ploome hineni

you have never had a yorkie

and Churchill was rejected by the people in 1945

the Brits had no choice but to ENDURE the assault of the Nazis

Ploomie -

Not I - BUT - My Sister had a Yorkie - Proof Positive - of the maxim that the "fight in the dog" is More Important than which dog fights. Melech, the Wonder Shepherd found THAT out in his Puppyhood.

-S-

345 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:14:44pm

re: #341 ploome hineni

the Brots are so consumed by hatred of, and contempt for Jews, that they become incoherent

Ploomie -

Take the "Brit Position" you stated above as ENVY/FEAR. Be guided acccordingly.

-S-

346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:25:29pm
347 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:26:21pm
348 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:30:57pm

re: #329 Dr. Shalit

Frog -

As regards Sen. Schumer - Had the Jews a Pope, I would suggest excommunication - along with Sen. Boxer, Sen. Feinstein, Sen. Feingold, Rep. Frank and others.

Just to avoid confusion, "excommunicated" Catholics are not declared to be non-Catholics. (Baptism is regarded as irreversible -- so even if the Pope wanted to declare me a non-Catholic because of my unrepentant fondness for noshing on another dude's corndog, not even the Pope himself has the authority to do so.)

The excommunicated are, however, banned from attendance at public worship services, and may not receive any of the Sacraments, including Communion, i.e. the bread and wine that have been blessed by a priest.

But they're still Catholics.

349 Areopagitica  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 7:56:09pm

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

How the hell is it that the Palestinians are always on the verge of a massive humanitarian crisis? They seem to have ample amounts of cash and time devoted to smuggling expensive weapons by tunnel into Gaza; seem to have enough intelligence and cash to make homemade rockets; have the ability to knock that wall down with Egypt and come back with essential supplies such as motorcycles, radios, cars, NOT BAGS OF FOOD OR MEDICINE; and seem to live in these refugee camps consisting of street after street of highrise apartments that resemble condos, (although I'm sure they need some rehabbing)...What is this humanitarian crisis the UN and leftists keep talking about?

I thought events like the Holocaust, the Darfur massacres, the crap that the Serbs did in Balkans, the Armenians getting killed by the Turks, that seems to me like a real refugee/humanitarian problem.

A population that democratically elects (that's Jimmy Carter) a terrorist organization to be its government that openly launches attacks on another sovereign country in the name of its people and religion sure doesn't seem like its a humanitarian crisis.

And what gall of Europe and the UN ...errr...League of Nations to tell a sovereign country that it must use "proportionate" force to defend itself. If Hamas were Pakistan and Israel were India, there would be a nuclear war going on right now. Just because Hamas doesn't have F-16's and smart bombs doesn't mean Israel cannot use them to defend itself. Can someone explain to me where this whole concept of proportionality came from?

I just watched CNN where one of the Palestinian parliament officials was talking about occupation this and Israel provoked Hamas that...the first thought that runs through my mind was Germany's clandestine operation to stage a polish attack on a German radio transmitter in 1939. You know, so what if Israel controls the northern and eastern Gaza borders. Are they obligated to let the border be porous and let all the islamist freaks into the country to blow stuff up? Heck no....that's the same reason the Egyptians shot at Palestinians trying to breach the southern Gaza border this afternoon.

Until the world can recognize that Hamas is a tyrannical sharia adhering band of fanatics, this is not going to stop. Kudos for Israel for telling the Arab and international communities to go cram it with walnuts. Lets see how many resolutions drafted by the OIC come out of the security counsel this coming week-the same group of spineless idiots who can't even agree that what the Sudanese Muslims are doing to the Darfur tribes is on par with what Radavan Karadzic and his ilk were doing. How many resolutions have come out against Sudan?...the silence is deafening.

I think the Israeli official who went on CNN as a counterpoint said it best..."I don't have a problem if a people want a dictatorship for a government. I have a problem when the dictatorship launches missiles against us."

350 Kenneth  Sun, Dec 28, 2008 8:46:28pm

re: #346 ploome hineni

so the arabs are crying about women and children wounded

see this

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

the Israelis hit a rocket launching site, and the subsequent explosion of arab stored ammunition gets launched

Pali ammunition which was stored in a secret Hamas military location hidden in a residential area, in violation of the Geneva Conventions. Hamas is using the entire population of Gaza as a vast human shield.

351 annak  Mon, Dec 29, 2008 1:00:42am

yes, the picture is certainly propaganda. the children ARE used to evoke sympathy. most people just do not get how much the media distorts public opinion by methods such as these. they look at the picture and it strikes them a "certain" way. it impacts them emotionally, yet they don't see the manipulation in it. it's just like the palin tukey interview, if that wasn't staged i don't know my own middle name.

i just can't get over how this whole thing has been covered. hamas has been bombing israel since the so-called truce ended. the media barely even mentioned it. israel warned hamas again and again that if they kept it up there would be a response. hello? if ya don't want to get bombed then maybe you shouldn't, um, lob a bomb? i'd say bombing israel was a classic act of provocation. hello? the thing that galls me the most is that the minute israel responds it's suddenly front page news! it's the BIG story! noone cares when israel gets bombed though. but boy should israel once hit back after being kicked repeatedly look out! israel can simply do no right. no matter what they do they will be vilified. it makes me ill!

annak

352 menachem  Mon, Dec 29, 2008 4:42:42am

If anyone out there wants to show support for the Israelis soldiers, we are again you the opportunity to do so, with your warm messages, by sending them Pizza or Burgers.

Just go to PizzaIDF and send your message and treat.

Thanks in advance for your support of our soldiers.

Menachem

353 cherryblossoms  Mon, Dec 29, 2008 5:31:07pm

This photo does tug at the heart strings but one has to wonder if it's staged for just that purpose. hmmm


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