Hamas Fuck You!

"Nuts".

The lot of them.

Israel is off script. Hamas was apparently expecting a truce offer by now.

#1
Ditto.

Moussa Abu Marzouk has told The Associated Press in an interview in Damascus...

He can run, but cannot hide.

I suppose that he will refuse the Heisman Trophy that is not being offered too.

Tough talk from a coward hiding in Damascus.

Go IDF... do the hard work we are unwilling to do.

the assholes are praying for a truce.
i thought they wanted all the war they could get.
i hope israel sticks w/ that plan. and gives it to them.

AP reporter: "Why are you in Damascus at this critical time, Mr. Marzouk?"
/

What bothers me about this statement from Ehud Barak was that the intent of the IDF two years ago was to crush the Hezbos...and look how that turned out.

re: #11 Macker

What bothers me about this statement from Ehud Barak was that the intent of the IDF two years ago was to crush the Hezbos...and look how that turned out.

Maybe they mean it this time?

re: #8 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Go IDF... do the hard work we are unwilling to do.

There's some good ways to help.

Nice try.

re: #11 Macker

What bothers me about this statement from Ehud Barak was that the intent of the IDF two years ago was to crush the Hezbos...and look how that turned out.

They have learned, won't happen again.

re: #5 Golem Akbar

He can run, but cannot hide.

But Israel's unlikely to hit him in Damascus. Unfortunately back in '97 or so Israel - then under Netanyahu - refused to extradite him from the U.S., which is why he is still free.

re: #10 jaunte

AP reporter: "Why are you in Damascus at this critical time, Mr. Marzouk?"
/

Umm,Hiding from an IDF Hunter Killer Team...?

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Key words here are 'hiding in Damascus' ...

Its always easy to call on one's soldiers to fight on to the end when one sits in a safe, warm, secure shelter far away from the action.

Hitler and Stalingrad come to mind ...

"I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today".
J. Wellington Wimpy

re: #16 dhg4

But Israel's unlikely to hit him in Damascus. Unfortunately back in '97 or so Israel - then under Netanyahu - refused to extradite him from the U.S., which is why he is still free.

Live and learn (I hope) on Bibi's part.

re: #16 dhg4

But Israel's unlikely to hit him in Damascus. Unfortunately back in '97 or so Israel - then under Netanyahu - refused to extradite him from the U.S., which is why he is still free.

Israel's reach includes Damascus. Remember that terrorist that blew up the Marine Barracks? But this guy is probably cowering in some basement.

I just hope the IDF is allowed to take this "to the bitter end" this time. It is the only thing Hamas might understand.

This should be the policy EVERY time rockets or suicide bombers are launched into Israel.

re: #12 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
and
re: #15 VegasRick

I sure hope so!

re: #18 menachem

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Moussa Abu Marzouk has told The Associated Press in an interview in Damascus

Any "Palestinian" care to notice that the man with the big mouth is hiding in Damascus?

Palestinian gunmen have a right to strike everywhere in Israel in response to the assault on Gaza

Thats ok. Mossad has the right to strike everywhere in response to Hamas thugs.

Sleep tight scumball.

re: #11 Macker

What bothers me about this statement from Ehud Barak was that the intent of the IDF two years ago was to crush the Hezbos...and look how that turned out.

Unlike Hezbollah and Hamas, who now think they're invincible, I have the very strong suspicion that the IDF have learnt their lessons from that desaster.
Above all - I think this time round they will not cave in to world opinion. I think Olmert is being kept very quiet and he knows that he's got nothing more to do or say in regard to this all.

re: #22 Nevergiveup

Israel's reach includes Damascus. Remember that terrorist that blew up the Marine Barracks? But this guy is probably cowering in some basement.

I don't believe that Israel hit Mughniyeh. I believe it was some intramural dispute.

Terrorist nazi Hamas (and the leftists who support the death cult) can take their propaganda and shove it.

Moussa Abu Marzouk has told The Associated Press in an interview in Damascus that Palestinian gunmen have a right to strike everywhere in Israel in response to the assault on Gaza.

Oh, do let us know how that turns out for them, will you Moussa?

re: #31 dhg4

I don't believe that Israel hit Mughniyeh. I believe it was some intramural dispute.

Well we are unlikely to know for a long time. But his departure from this earth was still a welcomed occurrence.

The Iranian influence is obvious. This whole episode comes right out of the Mad Mullahs playbook. Hamas will claim victory no matter what happens.

the Israeli defense minister has declared this a “war to the bitter end.”

Is it too early in the morning to use the term carpet bomb?

Best wishes and prayers (if you pray) for the IDF soldiers doing the ground assault.

Time for Israel to rid itself of some of the older artillery rounds.

Hamas wants another hudna? They're crying uncle and they know it. They're hoping that the hudna meme takes hold - because they know that it will never be reported as a hudna but as a call for a truce or ceasefire, which will provide Hamas the opportunity to regroup and rearm.

Israel should provide no such opportunity. Israel can and should make its demands clear. Israel will not stop until it has the unconditional surrender of Hamas. The Israeli leadership wont come out and do this, but that is essential for Israel's long term security, and is the only road to even the possibility of peace. Everything else will result in nothing more than a lull between rounds of fighting.

re: #36 bosforus

Is it too early in the morning to use the term carpet bomb?

Nope because it's:

6:43pm Monday (IST) - Time in Israel

re: #29 yma o hyd

"Above all - I think this time round they will not cave in to world opinion."

I'd like to believe that but this is the Israeli government we're talking about.
I give it another 4 or 5 days, maybe another week, and everyone from Bush on down will be calling it to end.

Actually Israel can reach out and touch him in Damascus

re: #40 Dustyvet

Nope because it's:

6:43pm Monday (IST) - Time in Israel

That's what I like to hear.

re: #21 Golem Akbar

Live and learn (I hope) on Bibi's part.

One would hope. Here's a little more via Daniel Pipes:

For example, Netanyahu's trademark issue throughout his career was a policy of tough antiterrorism--he founded an institute dedicated to this goal, wrote a book on the topic, and made it the subject of innumerable public appearances. But, when the U.S. government offered to extradite to Israel a suspected Hamas terrorist, Musa Abu Marzook, Netanyahu took a bye (seemingly scared of the trouble this would cause). Abu Marzook now lives as a free man and a high Hamas official in Amman, Jordan.

Here's the NYT's account of the incident.

Later that year the Mossad failed to kill Meshaal in Amman and that caused an international incident that led to the release of Yassin from an Israeli prison.

Netanyahu got some stuff right as PM, but under his watch Hamas was strengthened.

re: #36 bosforus

Is it too early in the morning to use the term carpet bomb?

I think something else is afoot.

White House says:

"In order for the violence to stop, Hamas must stop firing rockets into Israel and agree to respect a sustainable and durable ceasefire."

Pfft.

White House Condemns Violence.

re: #34 Nevergiveup

Well we are unlikely to know for a long time. But his departure from this earth was still a welcomed occurrence.

No disagreement there.

I give it until the first IDF member steps foot in Gaza for Hamas to begin screaming for a truce.

You know we all have a stake in this. If Israel does not have a clear victory, every head case in the World with a Koran & aq weapon will be inspired.

Hamas is doing a Nasralluh and claiming victory regardless of the facts. Dead Hamas terrorists are a bit harder to hide in Gaza.

re: #44 dhg4

Here's the NYT's account of the incident.

Later that year the Mossad failed to kill Meshaal in Amman and that caused an international incident that led to the release of Yassin from an Israeli prison.

Netanyahu got some stuff right as PM, but under his watch Hamas was strengthened.

He may get a second chance, and if so, I hope he doesn't make the same mistakes.

Hamas is taking foreign policy cues from the Three Stooges.

[Moe slaps Larry and Curly]
Larry: "What's that for?"
Curly: "We didn't do nothin'!"
Moe: "That's in case you do and I'm not around

Martin Kramer has a typically spot-on piece:

"...A lot has changed since 1992, and this Bush administration, having waged its own "war on terror," seems to understand the obvious: that this is the last chance to reduce Hamas to its true proportions, lest the "peace process" finally become the lost cause it's often appeared to be. But will the United States hold the line alone? Already the British foreign secretary, David Miliband, a kid think-tanker back in 1992, has decided that the level of civilian casualties in Israel's operation is "unacceptable." (More precisely, he said that "any innocent loss of life is unacceptable," which sets a new standard for modern warfare—one that Britain has never once upheld.) The West is forming a line to throw yet another life preserver to a terrorist gang that has become a terrorist entity, and that needs just a little more indulgence to become a terrorist state.

Twice, presidents named Bush have done Hamas big favors. These favors were inadvertent, but they were game-changers. It's time for a President Bush to do Israel a favor, and let it shove Hamas up against the wall, or right through the wall, depending on what's still feasible. No doubt President Bush would have preferred to leave office with a tidy "peace process," good to go. But who couldn't hear the Hamas bomb ticking in the corner? Better Israel defuse it now, than have it go off under Barack Obama just when he's trying to defuse an even bigger bomb-making operation—in Iran."

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

re: #50 venezuela lover

Hamas is doing a Nasralluh and claiming victory regardless of the facts. Dead Hamas terrorists are a bit harder to hide in Gaza.

Nasrallah was able to claim victory because he continued to exhale and issue proclaimations. Hamas will do the same; targeting Haniyeh and the other top terrorists is necessary, as is going after the Hamas "legislators" who are terrorists in suits. The charade of "military" and "political" wings of terrorist groups must cease. They're terrorists. Period. End stop.

As if Hamas would ever honor a truce in the first place. Finish them, Isreal.

re: #39 lawhawk

Hamas wants another hudna? They're crying uncle and they know it. They're hoping that the hudna meme takes hold - because they know that it will never be reported as a hudna but as a call for a truce or ceasefire, which will provide Hamas the opportunity to regroup and rearm.

Israel should provide no such opportunity. Israel can and should make its demands clear. Israel will not stop until it has the unconditional surrender of Hamas. The Israeli leadership wont come out and do this, but that is essential for Israel's long term security, and is the only road to even the possibility of peace. Everything else will result in nothing more than a lull between rounds of fighting.

It looks to me as if the IDF has certainly understood 'hudna' by now.
Further, it looks as if the Israeli government is keeping very tight-lipped about their actual aims. Its the generals who are speaking about getting rid of Hamas, root and branch - without giving away how they're going to do this.

It has a totally different 'feel' than the 2006 Lebanon war, and I can only applaud all they've done so far and are still doing, and the way in which this has been done.

hamas is living in a dream world. ever trying to be macho and arrogant.
they just aren't grounded in reality.
islam is a desperate proposition.
the barbarians are now getting their ass kicked and they pretend to be calling the shots and making decisions.
there is no rational thinking in jihad.
just rage and craziness.
keep going israel.. you are the 'palis' only hope. ironically.

re: #29 yma o hyd

Unlike Hezbollah and Hamas, who now think they're invincible, I have the very strong suspicion that the IDF have learnt their lessons from that desaster.
Above all - I think this time round they will not cave in to world opinion. I think Olmert is being kept very quiet and he knows that he's got nothing more to do or say in regard to this all.

all the good guys should zip it...let Israel do the thing and see how it turns out...let the wailing fall on deaf ears...

I just love this - an EXILED Hamas leader says.....
Yeah, like he's gonna get involved in the fighting!

re: #18 menachem

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Thats not fair, Telling us how to send a pizza to the IDF and not to Hamas. How can I send a pizza to Hamas with sausage, bacon, and ham toppings?

"War to the bitter end", or until Olmert chickens out.

re: #41 MJ

I'd like to believe that but this is the Israeli government we're talking about.
I give it another 4 or 5 days, maybe another week, and everyone from Bush on down will be calling it to end.

Not so sure about that - the only people who are talking are Barak and the generals. I cannot see them cave in - and Livni, Bibi and Olmert of course are well aware of the coming elections. They know that caving in would be fatal to their careers - a much better incentive than appeasing world opinion.

"Moussa Abu Marzouk has told The Associated Press ... that Palestinian gunmen have a right to strike everywhere in Israel in response to FILL IN THE BLANK"

"The assault on Gaza" is just their latest excuse of convenience for the genocidal goals they proclaim in their charter.

re: #56 yma o hyd
That's funny yma, I've had the feeling since this started that Israel is going ALL THE WAY to destroying Hamas in Gaza - no quarter, no ceasefires, no surrender accepted.
Hamas has shown itself, and apparently not just to Israel but to other sane nations, that they exist solely to kill Israelis - and I truly hope Israel kicks ass and takes no prisoners.

re: #53 MJ

"...Already the British foreign secretary, David Miliband, a kid think-tanker back in 1992, has decided that the level of civilian casualties in Israel's operation is "unacceptable." (More precisely, he said that "any innocent loss of life is unacceptable," which sets a new standard for modern warfare—one that Britain has never once upheld.)

Given the fact that Hamas adheres to the terrorist practice of locating command sites, arsenals and training facilities in heavily populated areas, the results suggest that the IDF - supported by first-rate intelligence work - may have executed the most accurate wave of airstrikes in history, with a 15-to-1 terrorist-to-civilian kill ratio.

Ralph Peters

DAMNED IF THEY DO: BUT ISRAEL'S DEAD IF THEY DON'T

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

re: #56 yma o hyd

Different feel? I'm not entirely convinced. We'll see just how different it is in the after action reports. After all, I recall that the Hizbullah war involved plenty of scenes of Israeli airstrikes against Hizbullah in Beirut resulting in many Hizbullah installations being turned into rubble. They looked plenty impressive and Israel destroyed thousands of rockets and launchers and killed hundreds of Hizbullah. Hizbullah managed to avoid destruction because of the feckless leadership of Olmert, Halutz, and the rest of the cabinet. The current defense team may have learned the lessons, but unless Israel fights to win and not a stalemate, Hamas will still manage to claim victory even if all of Gaza is reduced to rubble and all terrorists save one are killed.

Still, I do understand the difference between Lebanon and Gaza - the geographical difference is more than sufficient to foster a different outcome - no shared border with a terror-sympathizer/terror master providing relief and assistance.

Israeli assault targets symbols of Hamas power

Like other Hamas leaders, Haniyeh is in hiding.

Excellent news, I think.

re: #60 JustABill

Thats not fair, Telling us how to send a pizza to the IDF and not to Hamas. How can I send a pizza to Hamas with sausage, bacon, and ham toppings?

And Bacon...:)

Along with a case of C-Rat Ham and Lima Beans...

Moussa Abu Marzouk.

I just love that name. The mocking quotient is high.

re: #61 Ward Cleaver

"War to the bitter end", or until Olmert chickens out.

coup time....well maybe not

Is that a moussa in your pants or are you just scared to see me?

re: #61 Ward Cleaver
Hi Ward - hope all is well in the Cleaver household today!
Somehow - against all that history teaches me, I really don't see Olmert fucking up backing down on this, especially not with an election coming up very soon in Israel (February, I think?).
Not that I'm cynical or anything!

re: #62 yma o hyd

Not so sure about that - the only people who are talking are Barak and the generals. I cannot see them cave in - and Livni, Bibi and Olmert of course are well aware of the coming elections. They know that caving in would be fatal to their careers - a much better incentive than appeasing world opinion.

That's the same Barak who shipped 415 Hamas terrorists to Lebanon, some who killed four Israeli soldiers, and its abduction-murder of a border policeman. Those expelled included Ismail Haniyeh, now the Hamas "prime minister," and Mahmud az-Zahar, today its "foreign minister. All were back in Israel within a year because of Barak and Rabin ( then ) gave in to international pressure.

re: #64 realwest

That's funny yma, I've had the feeling since this started that Israel is going ALL THE WAY to destroying Hamas in Gaza - no quarter, no ceasefires, no surrender accepted.
Hamas has shown itself, and apparently not just to Israel but to other sane nations, that they exist solely to kill Israelis - and I truly hope Israel kicks ass and takes no prisoners.

Real, if Hamas makes a public declaration of surrender, Israel will be forced to negotiate their terms. If Hamas does not meet their terms then the predicate foe war remains.

re: #45 Golem Akbar

I think something else is afoot.

Well, I have no experience as member of any Armed Force, so if I come across as an armchair general, I hope you all will give me a deserved dressing-down.

But ...

Is it possible that the IDF may be planning a night incursion?

re: #61 Ward Cleaver

I would love to see Hamas destroyed. Judging from recent Israeli patterns they'll follow up the air raids with ground forces, wander around gaza for a week or two, bulldoze some buildings and then leave. Hamas will probably survive just fine.

What does "Abu" mean? Son of? No. That's "bin" I think.

re: #54 lawhawk

Nasrallah was able to claim victory because he continued to exhale and issue proclaimations.

I'd say he was able to claim a victory because, in Clausewitzian terms (if not in tactical ones), Hizballah won. Or at least didn't lose. Israel cannot afford to make that same mistake in Gaza.

Go IDF/IAF; git 'er done.

Israel, do not let up.

hamass sounds like the armless and legless Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

"Come back and fight!"

What brand moussa does he use in his beard?

If we see a lot of Plai yoots with rifles, backward White Sox caps making shaka signs , we will then have every reason to suspect that they were not neutral in our last election..

the Israeli defense minister has declared this a “war to the bitter end of Hamas.”

There.

re: #81 MandyManners

You can get a lot of mileage out of that name...lol...

He makes a fine moussa cake...

re: #80 paybacktime

hamass sounds like the armless and legless Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

"Come back and fight!"

re: #66 lawhawk
You know lawhawk, even though I agree with your

Still, I do understand the difference between Lebanon and Gaza - the geographical difference is more than sufficient to foster a different outcome - no shared border with a terror-sympathizer/terror master providing relief and assistance.

I just have this sense that this time around - if for no other cyncial reason than the elections coming up - but really it's more than that, I think Israel is gonna pound Hamas into total abject submission or total destruction. I have the feeling that this sentiment has been felt in Israel for a while now.

re: #39 lawhawk

Hamas wants another hudna? They're crying uncle and they know it. They're hoping that the hudna meme takes hold - because they know that it will never be reported as a hudna but as a call for a truce or ceasefire, which will provide Hamas the opportunity to regroup and rearm.

Israel should provide no such opportunity. Israel can and should make its demands clear. Israel will not stop until it has the unconditional surrender destruction of Hamas. The Israeli leadership wont come out and do this, but that is essential for Israel's long term security, and is the only road to even the possibility of peace. Everything else will result in nothing more than a lull between rounds of fighting.

Hamas delenda est.

I can't wait for the intramural to start.

That is when Israel stops shooting and Fatah attempt to take back control in Gaza from Hamas.

You'll know when that is happening because the World and media will lose interest in "Palestinian" casualties.

re: #58 albusteve

all the good guys should zip it...let Israel do the thing and see how it turns out...let the wailing fall on deaf ears...

Absolutely!
But let us ask why the MSM report these wailings in depth, but not the wailings of those killed by the Taleban in Pakistan ... or do these women not wail?

re: #84 LilyGecko

You can get a lot of mileage out of that name...lol...

He makes a fine moussa cake...

His last name reminds me of Eddie Barzook in Devil's Advocate.

re: #1 notutopia

Hamas Fuck You!

MEGA DITTO'S

Moussa said "Gadzook! I'm getting out of here!"

Note how overwhelmingly pro-Pali & anti-Israel the AP photo spread is (embedded in the "bitter end" article). Big surprise (not).

re: #88 Opinionated

I can't wait for the intramural to start.

That is when Israel stops shooting and Fatah attempt to take back control in Gaza from Hamas.

You'll know when that is happening because the World and media will lose interest in "Palestinian" casualties.

You're very observant.

re: #75 yma o hyd

Well, I have no experience as member of any Armed Force, so if I come across as an armchair general, I hope you all will give me a deserved dressing-down.

But ...

Is it possible that the IDF may be planning a night incursion?

Oh I'm no expert, either, but they've used targeted bombing for years, giving warnings ahead of time, and going into Arab neighborhoods and warning civilians that they were coming. It's an Israeli thing to do (a Jewish thing, actually). Now, as the software gets more sophisticated, they can send in the smart bombs and not let the Hamasies hide behind the civilians, like they've done in the past.

re: #74 opnion

Real, if Hamas makes a public declaration of surrender, Israel will be forced to negotiate their terms. If Hamas does not meet their terms then the predicate foe war remains.

turn around is fair play...allow Hamas freedom fighters and legislators surrender to war crimes trials....otherwise no deal....really Israel must ignore the tripe that's gonna fly

re: #60 JustABill

Thats not fair, Telling us how to send a pizza to the IDF and not to Hamas. How can I send a pizza to Hamas with sausage, bacon, and ham toppings?

Don't worry...Cynthia McKinney will deliver the pizzas with her medical shipment from Cyprus.

re: #77 MandyManners

What does "Abu" mean? Son of? No. That's "bin" I think.

Father

re: #80 paybacktime

hamass sounds like the armless and legless Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

"Come back and fight!"

"None shall pass!"

Yeah, right, Hamas. Just wait until the IAF softens you up.

re: #67 LilyGecko
Yep, especially this quote "Shlomo Brom, a former senior Israeli military official, said it was the deadliest force ever used in decades of Israeli-Palestinian fighting."

"Hamas official Moussa Abu Marzouk, hiding in Damascus, says..."

Charles, you forgot to add

LA Times Columnist

Moussa Abu Marzouk...

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

I've been a little out of the news lately; has Obama made any hopey-changey sounds about the Gaza operation? Anyone know?

re: #39 lawhawk

Hamas wants another hudna? They're crying uncle and they know it. They're hoping that the hudna meme takes hold - because they know that it will never be reported as a hudna but as a call for a truce or ceasefire, which will provide Hamas the opportunity to regroup and rearm.

Israel should provide no such opportunity. Israel can and should make its demands clear. Israel will not stop until it has the unconditional surrender of Hamas. The Israeli leadership wont come out and do this, but that is essential for Israel's long term security, and is the only road to even the possibility of peace. Everything else will result in nothing more than a lull between rounds of fighting.

Yup.

Like Barry Rubin wrote:
But then Israel does fight back. Its planes bomb military targets which have been deliberately put amidst civilians. If there is a high danger of hitting civilians, Israel doesn't attack. But there is a line below which risk that will be taken, and rightly so.

The smug smiles are wiped off the faces of Hamas leaders. Yet they have one more weapon, their reserves, they call up the media.

Or Treppenwitz.

Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in 1956, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to this tried and true formula for military success:

Instigate a war with whatever you have at hand; terror attacks, rocket fire or an actual invasion.
Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers or the UN to force your opponent into a cease fire.
Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.
Once a truce has been called, you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.

This tactic has never failed. Not once!

re: #93 Occasional Reader

I noticed about 30% of Fox's pictures were of dead Palestinian women/children and the other 70% were of Palestinian supporters.

Is green helmet guy is on his way to gaza?

re: #88 Opinionated

I can't wait for the intramural to start.

That is when Israel stops shooting and Fatah attempt to take back control in Gaza from Hamas.

You'll know when that is happening because the World and media will lose interest in "Palestinian" casualties.

Possible, but I think not likely, at least not soon; Fatah ain't going anywhere near Gaza unless/until the IDF stops shooting.

Moussa Abu Marzouk has told The Associated Press in an interview in Damascus that Palestinian gunmen have a right to strike everywhere in Israel in response to the assault on Gaza.

I thought Hamas already claimed that "right", like when they blew up a bomb in "occupied Tel Aviv" a few years ago.

re: #89 yma o hyd

Absolutely!
But let us ask why the MSM report these wailings in depth, but not the wailings of those killed by the Taleban in Pakistan ... or do these women not wail?

I'm sure the mothers of those school kids killed by that car bomb are still wailing.

re: #77 MandyManners

"abu" means "father of"

re: #93 Occasional Reader

Note how overwhelmingly pro-Pali & anti-Israel the AP photo spread is (embedded in the "bitter end" article). Big surprise (not).

The media, in my opinion, can't hide who the Pali's are forever. If Israel wiped them out I think that would be the only time Israel and sane people would be able to have a voice and make the case for who the Pali's really are/were.

re: #86 realwest

You know lawhawk, even though I agree with your

I just have this sense that this time around - if for no other cyncial reason than the elections coming up - but really it's more than that, I think Israel is gonna pound Hamas into total abject submission or total destruction. I have the feeling that this sentiment has been felt in Israel for a while now.

And possibly a lack of confidence in the incoming US administration (not that the current one has done much for them).

re: #104 LilyGecko

I noticed about 30% of Fox's pictures were of dead Palestinian women/children and the other 70% were of Palestinian supporters.

And almost all the photos showing someone waving an Israeli flag are of soldiers hoisting the flag on a tank. That's because the Joos are all mindless militaristic killbots, doncha know.

/

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I've been a little out of the news lately; has Obama made any hopey-changey sounds about the Gaza operation? Anyone know?

I believe Biden again bemoned Bush's failure to send NATO troops into Gaza after the French kicked Hezbollah out of lebennon, or something like that.

re: #77 MandyManners

What does "Abu" mean? Son of? No. That's "bin" I think.

Abu may have the following meanings.

* Abu, a common part or Arabic-derived names, meaning "father of" in Arabic.
* Abu (volcano), a volcano on the island of Honshū in Japan.
* Mount Abu is the highest mountain in the Indian state of Rajasthan.
* Abu, Yamaguchi is a town in Japan.
* Abu (god), a minor god of vegetation in Sumerian mythology
[snip]

re: #66 lawhawk

Yes - Lebanon has left deep scars on the collective minds of the IDF and on all of us who have been following the reports at that time.

This time round, the politicians seem to be kept firmly in the background - and Olmert especially seems to have been bypassed.

I think the IDf top brass has made it crystal clear to the politicians that this will be done their way or not at all. Looks like this is what has been happening.

But then again - it will look different when they do start a ground incursion. We've got to wait and see how thigns play out then.

re: #95 Golem Akbar

Oh I'm no expert, either, but they've used targeted bombing for years, giving warnings ahead of time, and going into Arab neighborhoods and warning civilians that they were coming. It's an Israeli thing to do (a Jewish thing, actually). Now, as the software gets more sophisticated, they can send in the smart bombs and not let the Hamasies hide behind the civilians, like they've done in the past.

Hasn't the IDF been experimenting with itsy-bitsy spy drones?

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I've been a little out of the news lately; has Obama made any hopey-changey sounds about the Gaza operation? Anyone know?

He's too busy flashing hand signals in Hawaii.

re: #96 albusteve

turn around is fair play...allow Hamas freedom fighters and legislators surrender to war crimes trials....otherwise no deal....really Israel must ignore the tripe that's gonna fly

Exactly, pay lip service to it & continue fighting.
Make the conditions for acceptance of surrender the complete turning over of senior Hamas & international peacekeepers in Gaza form Nato.
Hamas won't go for it, so the IDF can finish it.

"War to the bitter end."

Good, to the bitter end of Hamas, I hope. Half measures with Hamas, like termites, has proven to be a waste of time, lives, and resources.

re: #110 bosforus

"Wiped them out"?

Think before you type things like that.

re: #74 opnion
I would ordinarily agree with you opnion, but since it was Hamas who declared that the truce was over and (kept on) proceeded to launch large numbers of missiles and mortar barrages at Israel, the world community (whatever the fuck that is) may say to Israel "accept a ceasefire" but I don't think Israel will.
Regardless of world opinon, I think Israel is going all the way here - and I hope that's not just wishful thinking on my part.

I think it's now all under control. Top of the hour radio report says Bush is asking Israel to agree to a cease fire.

Should be over in a few minutes.

/s

re: #113 DeafDog

I believe Biden again bemoned Bush's failure to send NATO troops into Gaza after the French kicked Hezbollah out of lebennon, or something like that.

Heh.

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I've been a little out of the news lately; has Obama made any hopey-changey sounds about the Gaza operation? Anyone know?

He's said "there is only one President" so he's not responding. Probably, he doesn't want to tip off Jews to how anti-Israel he'll be, even though he's been elected already.

I want Israel to tell Damascus that they need to hand over Moussa Abu Marzouk. That he will be tried as a war criminal. I want Israel to explain to Damascus that by harboring a war criminal, they are open to attack as well.

The rocket fire is, and has always been a war crime. Holding soldiers without giving them access to the red cross, and updating the status... a war crime.

Damascus cannot have this both ways. They are coming to the time where they have to make a choice.

re: #87 Macker
YES!

re: #102 Occasional Reader

He's supposed to "speak with his team."

re: #117 Dianna

He's too busy flashing hand signals in Hawaii.

Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Uber-Cool!

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I've been a little out of the news lately; has Obama made any hopey-changey sounds about the Gaza operation? Anyone know?

Obama blessed this Israeli action. Although he didn't know it at the time.

When he visited Sderot last Summer, for campaign purposes, he said:

"if someone was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that, and I would expect Israelis to do the same thing."

Everything in their power. The One spoke and Israel listened.

re: #73 MJ

That's the same Barak who shipped 415 Hamas terrorists to Lebanon, some who killed four Israeli soldiers, and its abduction-murder of a border policeman. Those expelled included Ismail Haniyeh, now the Hamas "prime minister," and Mahmud az-Zahar, today its "foreign minister. All were back in Israel within a year because of Barak and Rabin ( then ) gave in to international pressure.

Yep - and I'm not hailing either him or the others as sort of 'messiahs'.
I would give Barak his due that he's more comfortable working with the IDF top brass, and more comfortable with the thought of not interfering politically with what they're trying to achieve.

As for caving in - I fervently hope they ahve learnt their lessons, but things will look different when or if the ground incursion goes ahead.

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow

He's said "there is only one President" so he's not responding.

Really? I'll actually give him partial credit for S'ingTFU at an appropriate time.

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I've been a little out of the news lately; has Obama made any hopey-changey sounds about the Gaza operation? Anyone know?

Not publicly. He's deferred to Bush/Rice as he should. The Left is unhappy about that, of course.
He doesn't really have his Mid-East team in place yet. If he names Dan Kurtzer as "special envoy", then expect to see a pro-Hamas policy emerge.

re: #114 abolitionist

I'm sure in the case of Moussa Abu Marzouk, this is the one intended:

* Abu (god), a minor god of vegetation in Sumerian mythology

I'm getting real sour about this, but as long as "Chocolate" Moussa Abu Marzouk or any other self-annointed Hamas spokesjihadi cares to continue to make noises under the Hamas label, it is not destroyed. Attacking "Hamas" only validates it.

In Clausewitzian terms, or Sun Tzu terms, the wrong war is being fought.

re: #113 DeafDog

I believe Biden again bemoned Bush's failure to send NATO troops into Gaza after the French kicked Hezbollah out of lebennon, or something like that.

man would I ever love to see a national debate between Biden and Chaney regarding the ME and geopolitics in general....maybe toss in some Con law for shits and giggles....exspose that doofus

re: #129 Opinionated

Obama blessed this Israeli action. Although he didn't know it at the time.

When he visited Sderot last Summer, for campaign purposes, he said:

"if someone was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that, and I would expect Israelis to do the same thing."

Everything in their power. The One spoke and Israel listened.

No, he was talking about HIS house! So it doesn't count.

/

re: #118 opnion

Exactly, pay lip service to it & continue fighting.
Make the conditions for acceptance of surrender the complete turning over of senior Hamas & international peacekeepers in Gaza form Nato.
Hamas won't go for it, so the IDF can finish it.

anything much less is theater...imo

re: #102 Occasional Reader
Hey O.R. - glad to see ya! As far as I know, President-Elect Putz hasn't really said anything at all about this.
HEY, he IS on vacation, ya know?!

re: #98 Opinionated

Father

He's the father of Marzouk? What if there is more than one Marzouk? Was he born a Marzouk? His mother knew he'd name her grandson Marzouk?

Man, this is confusing.

re: #120 Occasional Reader

"Wiped them out"?

Think before you type things like that.

I'm saying that's what it would take.

re: #121 realwest

I would ordinarily agree with you opnion, but since it was Hamas who declared that the truce was over and (kept on) proceeded to launch large numbers of missiles and mortar barrages at Israel, the world community (whatever the fuck that is) may say to Israel "accept a ceasefire" but I don't think Israel will.
Regardless of world opinon, I think Israel is going all the way here - and I hope that's not just wishful thinking on my part.

I am not saying to accept a surrender when you know that Hamas is just rebooting.
Israel would have to be seen as negotgiating while they continue to kick the livin shit out of em.

re: #116 MandyManners

Hasn't the IDF been experimenting with itsy-bitsy spy drones?

The ones that climb up the waterspout?

re: #106 Occasional Reader
Yup, I agree.

re: #136 Occasional Reader

No, he was talking about HIS house! So it doesn't count.

/

But can he see Gaza from his house?

Don't think so.

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

I think it's now all under control. Top of the hour radio report says Bush is asking Israel to agree to a cease fire.

Should be over in a few minutes.

/s

right after this commercial break!....
spit

re: #135 albusteve

man would I ever love to see a national debate between Biden......

I'll settle for seeing Biden on "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader"

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow

He's said "there is only one President" so he's not responding. Probably, he doesn't want to tip off Jews to how anti-Israel he'll be, even though he's been elected already.

Wants to see which way the wind blows.

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

I think it's now all under control. Top of the hour radio report says Bush is asking Israel to agree to a cease fire.

Should be over in a few minutes.

/s

I think the radio sound bite might be misleading.

The Bush administration called Monday for an end to the new flare up in Mideast violence, saying Hamas has "once again shown its true colors as a terrorist organization" with attacks on Israel.

White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said Hamas organization had chosen not to renew a six-month cease-fire agreement arranged by Egypt. At the same time, he said the United States has asked Israel to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza.

Asking them to be careful and kill as few civilians as possible is not the same as asking them to stop firing.

The State Dept, however, thinks the way things were before (with Hamas firing rockets at Israel and Israel doing nothing) was fine.

"We are encouraging all the nations in the region to take an active part in rebuilding the ceasefire so that we can return to the relative calm that was enjoyed in the region over the past six months

In fairness, they follow this statement with a call for Hamas to stop rocket attacks.

Best Time For Israel to Do This -

Lame duck Bush cannot really do too much. 0bama's best choice is to avoid commitment until he is president. This is the best and perhaps last chance for Israel to regain its reputation and self-confidence. Please no Hudna....I am hopeful but not confident...

re: #117 Dianna
ROTF! How are you today Dianna?

re: #101 MJ

Moussa Abu Marzouk...

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

I've been looking for something from the Times on this, in their editorial pages, and as yet, nothing. This opinion piece from Marzouk is from July of 2007. The Times has yet to comment on the Hamas missiles or the Israeli airstrikes. hmmmm...curious.

Here's my solution:

Map out Gaza into a grid, about 2000-3000 squares, labeled sequentially. For every missile that lands in Israel, the next square becomes Israel's...forever. Whatever is on that square gets demolished.

Publish the list, send it to everyone who would care. Give them 48 hours notice of when it begins.

re: #146 Opinionated

I'll settle for seeing Biden on "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader"

c'mon Joe!...stand up!
I'l just never forget that one....what a jerktoid

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

I think it's now all under control. Top of the hour radio report says Bush is asking Israel to agree to a cease fire.

Should be over in a few minutes.

/s

Well, they may not, immediately.

And certainly, the kassams will not stop.

So, just what will have been proved?

Well, Israel got the win on points in Lebanon, by destroying several billion dollars in infrastructure (that it probably cost Israel several billion in defense expenditures to get there, is another matter, not to mention the lives on both sides, but things are what they are). Perhaps they will have made some point or other, in Gaza, by this exercise. But they have certainly not achieved their larger aims, and Hamas will claim a great victory.

CBC had a reporter "on the ground" (outside Gaza) and noted that no journalists were allowed into Gaza, thus the casulty count could not be confirmed. Next, the CBC then immediately aired another "report" from a "reporter" from the New York Slimes...with an Arabic name....soooo, was the "reporter" "reporting" from her armchair in NY City? complete with file footage circa 2000-200X? or maybe she was in London....who knows...

re: #153 albusteve

c'mon Joe!...stand up!
I'l just never forget that one....what a jerktoid

There are so many Biden classics, how can you pick just one?

Prayers for IDF, IAF and anyone in range of Gaza missiles/mortars.

re: #133 wrenchwench

I'm sure in the case of Moussa Abu Marzouk, this is the one intended:

God of parsley, apparently. ;-)

re: #122 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter - how are you today?! I almost missed that sarc tag!
It wouldn't matter even if Bush was stupid enough to ask Israel to agree to a ceasefire, cause I don't expect Israel to do any such thing REGARDLESS of who asks for it.

re: #156 Opinionated

There are so many Biden classics, how can you pick just one?

true enough....

Death to the Islamofascist Terror Entity in Gaza.
Death.

re: #152 spirochete

Here's my solution:

Map out Gaza into a grid, about 2000-3000 squares, labeled sequentially. For every missile that lands in Israel, the next square becomes Israel's...forever. Whatever is on that square gets demolished.

Publish the list, send it to everyone who would care. Give them 48 hours notice of when it begins.

I was thinking about the same thing--a square block for every rocket. Zero tolerance. One rocket, one block of Gaza.

re: #147 opnion

Wants to see which way the wind blows.

He should ask Ayres.
You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
-- Bob Dylan
(the line that the Weathermen got their name from)

re: #105 bulwrk

Is green helmet guy is on his way to gaza?

And is Wailing Woman going to be standing in front of yet another burning house?

re: #162 SurferDoc

I love in Omert's response (linked above somewhere) he "reminded" the world community that they de-occupied Gaza and looked what happened. I wondered if that wasn't his strategy all along.

re: #134 itellu3times
Well then, what do you think Clausewitz or Sun Tzu would consider the "right war"?

re: #11 Macker

What bothers me about this statement from Ehud Barak was that the intent of the IDF two years ago was to crush the Hezbos...and look how that turned out.

The intent this time isn't to crush Hamas. It's to chasten Hamas and prove that Israel "stands like an iron wall". Once that is established, Hamas has scriptural permission to conclude a truce and cease its rocket barrage against Israel.

Hamas can't be crushed, because Hamas is an expression of the (hateful and deluded) will of the people of Gaza, and Israel isn't made of the kind of people who would undertake the kind of Final Solution that would be needed to once and for all crush that will and that malice.

Drastic measures that mostly kill people who aren't directly part of the fight are morally fraught. If Russia is fighting Napoleon, then having the Cossacks burn out all the Russian peasant villages in the path of la Grande Armee is a cruel measure but necessary. But this war hasn't got to that point. Most wars don't. When they do, there's hell to pay. Israel isn't Russia and doesn't have the reserves of population and land to play that game. So there are practical as well as moral reasons why Israel must exercise some kind of restraint and forbearance.

The idea is to make a mess of Hamas' tunnel net and its array of small rocket factories, to shoot up its leadership, to kill the rocket artillery crews at their launchers at every opportunity, and to impress upon the fellow-travelers, summer soldiers and sunshine patriots of Gaza that it's not summer and the sun isn't shining on Hamas.

When this is achieved, if it works, Israel will have gained a respite of some years from the rocketry against its southern perimeter. As to whether it can be achieved, the "objective correlation of forces" is favorable. Hezbollah's Lebanese fortress was sited in mountains, and with open supply lines to Syria and indirectly to Iran. Gaza is not even partially under somebody's SAM-missile air defense umbrella, it doesn't occupy "high ground", it's not nearly as well fortified, and Hamas fighters aren't as good at war as Hezbollah's Iranian-trained, Iranian-officered army.

re: #152 spirochete

Here's my solution:

Map out Gaza into a grid, about 2000-3000 squares, labeled sequentially. For every missile that lands in Israel, the next square becomes Israel's...forever. Whatever is on that square gets demolished.

Publish the list, send it to everyone who would care. Give them 48 hours notice of when it begins.

That's similar to my "No peace, then no land" plan.

re: #165 spirochete

I love in Omert's response (linked above somewhere) he "reminded" the world community that they de-occupied Gaza and looked what happened. I wondered if that wasn't his strategy all along.

I'm pretty sure he knew it would go something like it has.

re: #141 opnion
Ah, good, we agree!

re: #170 realwest

Ah, good, we agree!

We do

re: #147 opnion
Yup, he's already pissed off a lot of HIS "base" and needs to be careful not to side with Israel unless it's absolutely necessary for him to do so politically.

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I've been a little out of the news lately; has Obama made any hopey-changey sounds about the Gaza operation? Anyone know?

Obama is wearing his baseball cap backwards - that must signify something.

re: #166 realwest

Well then, what do you think Clausewitz or Sun Tzu would consider the "right war"?

I don't think either of them ever fought an Islamic foe.

(darn, I'm at work and can't double-check that, re Clausewitz)

The people of Gaza have to surrender. Period. This probably means they must disown Hamas, turn over the Hamas leaders in chains, to Israel.

Nothing less will work.

You may use your imagination, as to how to get them to that point.

re: #148 Silhouette
Yes, and that's just one of the reasons I think that Israel will destroy Hamas - totally and completely. Even the US State Department has finally recognized that it's unrealistic to expect Israel to allow Hamas to continue to chuck unguided missles (meaning they are intended to cause civilian OR military casualties) into Israel.
I honestly do sense that this time around Israel has got it right. And again, I hope that's not just wishful thinking on my part.

re: #173 debutaunt

Obama is wearing his baseball cap backwards - that must signify something.

Just trying to show that he's really down with his homies.

re: #165 spirochete
Mmm, that may be the way it plays out, but I think you're giving Olmert waaay too much credit here for long range (strategic) thinking here.

re: #173 debutaunt

Obama is wearing his baseball cap backwards - that must signify something.

His head is cross-threaded on his neck.

re: #177 realwest

Mmm, that may be the way it plays out, but I think you're giving Olmert waaay too much credit here for long range (strategic) thinking here.

I think it was Sharon's idea that after Gaza was given to the Palis, the world would see them for the terrorists they are. But he ended up in a coma.

re: #174 itellu3times
Well

The people of Gaza have to surrender. Period. This probably means they must disown Hamas, turn over the Hamas leaders in chains, to Israel.

Nothing less will work.

I agree completely. But I don't see that the Gazan Pali's will do that. After all, THEY are the ones who not only OVERWHELMINGLY elected Hamas, they are also the ones who've allowed Hamas to use, literally, their own backyards to set up rocket launchers.

re: #152 spirochete

Here's my solution:

Map out Gaza into a grid, about 2000-3000 squares, labeled sequentially. For every missile that lands in Israel, the next square becomes Israel's...forever. Whatever is on that square gets demolished.

Publish the list, send it to everyone who would care. Give them 48 hours notice of when it begins.

Instead of carpet bombing, it would be kind of floor tile bombing?

re: #180 realwest

I agree completely. But I don't see that the Gazan Pali's will do that. After all, THEY are the ones who not only OVERWHELMINGLY elected Hamas, they are also the ones who've allowed Hamas to use, literally, their own backyards to set up rocket launchers.

They need to be sufficiently motivated.

Or else, are you suggesting Israel - give up?

re: #178 itellu3times

His head is cross-threaded on his neck.

hahahahaahahhahahaaa

re: #173 debutaunt

Obama is wearing his baseball cap backwards - that must signify something.

It was a signal to the Zionists! "Engage", said The One!

via haaretz
"Witnesses say Saudi police broke up pro-Palestinian protest injuring 8 people (Reuters)"

now thats a VERY interesting development.
if israel truely has the "look the other way" green light from her Arab neighbours, then Hamas truely is toast.

re: #185 buzzdroid

via haaretz
"Witnesses say Saudi police broke up pro-Palestinian protest injuring 8 people (Reuters)"

now thats a VERY interesting development.
if israel truely has the "look the other way" green light from her Arab neighbours, then Hamas truely is toast.

Iran supports Hamas, and Saudi Arabia doesn't want Iran to be powerful, as the Shi'ites would be a threat to the Sunni Wahabis.
Thus, they'd like Israel to keep Iran down, and destroying an Iranian proxy would be good.
However, they don't want Israel to be completely victorious against the Palis; keeping the conflict going keeps the Wahabis from turning on the Saudi princes.

"War to the bitter end"

Thus the hot part of WW3 commences.

re: #186 Kosh's Shadow

There were more Worldwide protests (riots) about the Danish cartoons then about this Israeli action.

Because they were caught by surprise.

As we know, "spontaneous" Arab/Islamic protests need to be pre-organized.

re: #26 Dustyvet

Screw the C-Rat Ham and Lima Beans!

Mystery meat ain't Kosher

re: #31 dhg4

I don't believe that Israel hit Mughniyeh. I believe it was some intramural dispute.

That's just what those "tricky" jooooooooooos want you to believe

Iran's "Combatant Clergy Society" signing up volunteers to fight jihad against Israel.

Here's hoping that they don't let up until the terrorist bastards are dead. No repeat of Lebanon. My Isreali friends, you can't afford that. If you are going to go for it, as you are now, go all the way. Don't stop until they are all dead, not a single hamas idiot alive.

I happened to see the Arab video report earlier today that was later reported on Israel's Channel 2: Rescuers in Gaza were pulling a 13-year-old girl from the rubble of bombed building. A microphone was pushed forward toward the girl, and she was asked, "Who do you blame for this?" She answered, "Hamas." Cut.

Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak has declared this a “war to the bitter end.”

I've heard this so many times. I'll believe it when I see it. But if history is any indication, the waffling will commence within a couple of days, at the most.

I would so love to be wrong this time.

The London Israeli Embassy is certainly under siege by what the Brits usually call ''Asians.''
But today all I hear them called are ''Palestinians!"
Odd how that happened.
Then, too, just who do they think they are appealing to?
Not the Israeli's.
Do they expect the British government to do their dirty work for them and attack Israel?
I don't think anything more than a harshly-worded letter will come from any non-Muslim state.
And what about those 60 Muslim states on earth?
Nuttin honey!
I heard Iran was GOING to send a humanitarian supply ship to Gazza someday, but not yet.
A toothless general fatwa was issued but no Muslim government is standing up for Gaza and Hamas.
EVEN CNN is saying the Palestinians of Gaza will be (not might be) better off if Hamas is destroyed!

"Moussa Abu Marzouk has told The Associated Press in an interview in Damascus that Palestinian gunmen have a right to strike everywhere in Israel in response to the assault on Gaza."

umm... isn't Israel assaulting Gaza because of the Palestinians habit of striking everywhere with their rockets? Doesn't this seem a little hypocritical?

Just Asking....

Ok, dunno if it's been mentioned already, but Per yahoo News, Debka is saying that Iran steps up, and demands it's own slice of whupass?

[Link: ibloga.blogspot.com...]

GO, IDF!
Doing the job American Lefties won't do!

re: #196 Amer-I-Can

Because of your ambiguous language, I cannot understand your point. Who, precisely, do you figure is being "hypocritical?" (obviously, if you've been following the situation in the Arab World -- the Palestinians under HAMAS have repeated advocated the genocide of Israelis...they routinely fire missiles, designed to murder Jews, into Israel...Sderot alone has suffered thousands of rockets -- thousands of rockets fired into Israel...What the hell do you expect Israelis to do? Sit idly by while their citizens are murdered by genocidal Fascist Terrorists? So, Israel decised to act and defend itself -- O the Horror! Fuck the UN! Fuck the EU! and every other Terrrist loving, murderous bastard. And, if you find that hypocritcal -- tough shit.

re: #198 J.S.

My apologies... I was referring to the statement by Moussa Abu Marzouk as being hypocritical... so calm down. I didn't find the point that difficult to follow, but obviously I was mistaken.

re: #199 Amer-I-Can

Ok. My apologies, likewise...(it's just that I'm getting all the pro-terrorist propaganda up here...so, it's always a question...the double standards..so whenever even the word "terrorist" is used, here in Canadah -- it's ambiguous -- does it mean Israel (sans any evidence?) or does it mean Palis...complete/absolute reversals going on.)

re: #23 ProUSA

I just hope the IDF is allowed to take this "to the bitter end" this time. It is the only thing Hamas might understand.

This should be the policy EVERY time rockets or suicide bombers are launched into Israel.

If it were the policy every time, then it would only need to be the policy one time. Instead, it's happy ground hog day to all.

The thought of a mangy terrorist idiot being soundly beaten about the head and shoulders while frantically attempting to accept Israel's surrender kinda makes me giggle.

Giggle like watching a Chihuahua bark at a Doberman.

re: #200 J.S.

It's all good. My opinion about this is pretty straight forward. I have no patience for Islamic terrorists, or any other type of terrorists. I also have no tolerance for stupid people, which is obviously the category that Hamas falls into right now.

Didn't Israel recently announce that they would retaliate if provoked further? Didn't they warn Hamas that this would happen?

How stupid do you have to be to keep kicking the neighbor's rottweiler, and then act shocked when you get bit? These guys are idiots, and I have NO sympathy for them or their current "plight".

/rand off