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Washington Post: 'Amateur' Rockets 'Nagging' Israel

Media | Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:19:05 am PST

The Washington Post gives column space today to Palestinian shill Daoud Kuttab, who turns in one of those very predictable whiny pieces claiming that fighting against terrorists “only makes them stronger:” Daoud Kuttab - Has Israel’s Gaza Attack Revived Hamas?

Includes this absolute howler of an opening sentence:

JERUSALEM — In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine.

Kuttab’s nasty work for the Washington Post was previously featured at LGF when they published an article by him arguing that “Israel is a Liability for the US.”

This kind of hateful propaganda in the pages of the Washington Post should come as no surprise; they have been deliberately promoting the views of Islamists (including leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah) for years, and earlier this year their managing editor explained that they were actively trying to hire more Muslim journalists. So extreme anti-Israel views are to be expected.

Also see:
Soccer Dad: The media assault on israel

UPDATE at 12/30/08 9:44:34 am:

Another ludicrous and completely false headline at the Post: Israel Rejects Truce, Presses on With Gaza Strikes.

Israel did not reject any truce — Hamas never offered one. In fact, Hamas specifically said they were rejecting a truce yesterday.

There’s some bad craziness going on at the Washington Post.

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1 bosforus  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:20:00am
Israel appears to have given new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine.

Yeah, the afterlife.

2 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:20:22am

WaPo - All the news that's fit to wrap fish.

3 jamgarr  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:20:28am

Spit!

4 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:21:01am

The WashedUpPost is treasonous.

5 maddogg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:21:06am

So, how exactly are dead terrorists stronger? I need a clue.

6 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:21:45am

Typical and disgustingly predictable. The WaPo does not understand or care about what is going on. They just want to purvey their fantasies and ideology.

7 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:22:12am

The WaPo is an amateur paper.

8 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:22:25am

re: #5 maddogg

So, how exactly are dead terrorists stronger? I need a clue.

Their smell is stronger, as if that were possible.

9 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:22:27am

Some Native Americans should start lobbing rockets at the Washington Pissed building, and insist they get the land back. They have much more right to it than the Palis have to Gaza.
If the WaPo tries to have them arrested, they should point out the hypocrisy.

10 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:22:55am

re: #7 rawmuse

The WaPo is an amateur paper.

Their paper has been nagging the residents...

11 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:23:11am

re: #5 maddogg

So, how exactly are dead terrorists stronger? I need a clue.

Maybe they're like Obi-Wan Kenobi. "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine."

///

12 maddogg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:24:07am

re: #11 Wyatt Earp

Maybe they're like Obi-Wan Kenobi. "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine."

///


Like Dark falcon said, only in aroma....

13 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:24:27am

Fire one at his house and one at the Washingtion Post headquarters.

14 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:24:37am

I have to admit I'm surprised by the extent to which WaPo is in the tank for the Palis on this one. They used to represent at least the quasi-reasonable left. But for this past week they've been all Pali propaganda, all the time.

15 avanti  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:25:22am

He could have added that the amateur rockets slightly killed a few Israelis civilians by accident. A perfect example of using benign words to slant your opinions.

16 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:25:34am

I read this PoS article this morning whilst on the toilet. My wife had to remind me that the WaPo doesn't flush all that well.

17 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:25:37am

What is their share price? Same as the NYFT?

18 pat  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:25:42am

Muslim Logic = resisting terrorists makes terrorists stronger.
The unsaid threat here is that if you protect yourself, all Muslims will go Jihad on you. The Muslims themselves believe this. That one day they will overwhelm all resistance, and rape and plunder the entire world. This is preached daily from Mosques.

19 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:25:47am

Shame on the Washington Post.

Palestinian propaganda is like a cancer.
kicked off YouTube

20 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:26:00am

Then may the 'professionals' show the 'amateurs' the curb with the help from a boot to the back of the head.

21 dcbatlle  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:26:13am

If Israel fighting against islamic terror makes "only makes them stronger," then why do islamic terror shills oppose Israel fighting islamic terror? That makes no sense at all.

22 jcm  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:26:27am

I'd like to nag his house with one of these amateur rockets.

23 jaunte  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:26:29am

There's that word "disproportionate" again. Yet Daoud would be complaining if just one Hamas leader was assassinated each time a Kassam rocket was fired.

24 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:26:33am

Given new life?

This moron even knows that he is lying.

Olso gave them new life.
The hudna gave them new life.

Send him to Gaza. I'm sure they're partying it up.

25 bosforus  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:26:44am

re: #18 pat

Muslim Logic = resisting terrorists makes terrorists stronger.
The unsaid threat here is that if you protect yourself, all Muslims will go Jihad on you. The Muslims themselves believe this. That one day they will overwhelm all resistance, and rape and plunder the entire world. This is preached daily from Mosques.

It's called the Law of Conservation of Seething.

26 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:26:47am

re: #16 unreconstructed rebel

I read this PoS article this morning whilst on the toilet. My wife had to remind me that the WaPo doesn't flush all that well.

Hope you didn't waste good toilet paper?/

27 Wood Man  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:26:53am

I'm confused. If fighting against terrorists makes them stronger, does capitulation make them weaker? I guess I'm not smart enough to be a lefty

28 astronmr20  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:27:04am

So has anyone heard from BHO on any of this?

Anyone?

Bueller?

29 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:27:33am
In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the residents of some of its southern cities

"Nagging" them, eh? You mean, the rockets just carry messages saying "take out the trash" and "don't forget to fix the garage door this weekend"?

Sorry, this is not "nagging".

30 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:27:37am
In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine.

Speechless. Just speechless.

31 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:27:52am

those "amateur" rockets are deadly and the knowledge that they can come at anytime and at anyplace is a a frightening, demoralizing way for people to live.
imagine that this situation can happen where we live.
w/ us constantly on edge abt. impending death and destruction.
we would not allow it for a second.
why should israel have to live like this.
just because these assholes hate israel and want to harm them?
fck that.

32 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:27:58am

Wow,
Daoud Kuttab is a Palestinian journalist and a former Ferris professor of journalism at Princeton University.

I agreed with him up until the point where he said this is giving Hamas new life. However, Israel may have that result if they lose their nerve and stop before the job is done.

33 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:00am

Nagging? WTF?

Oh, maybe like:

"You kids pipe down back there or I'll pull this tank over right now!"

"I mean it."

"Not kidding here."

34 wltzacrsstxs  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:05am

I think it would be great if more terrorists actually showed themselves and took up arms. Makes for more targets. Maybe they could be wiped out once and for all.

35 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:07am

So what the WaPo is saying - Hamas should be able to nag Israel with missiles any old time it wants to.

36 Blackacre  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:11am

Exploding shrapnel, whether from an IED or an "amateur" rocket, is such a ... nag(!) ... yeah, that's the ticket!

37 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:18am

And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that the US used 30 million dollar missiles on guys with $20 guns in Afghanistan.

Their hypocrisy is not surprising.

38 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:20am

re: #28 astronmr20

So has anyone heard from BHO on any of this?

Anyone?

Bueller?

He's said there is only one sitting president.
I think to himself, he's saying "Holy shit, what have I gotten myself into. Joe? What should I do now?"

39 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:26am

It's amazing how the tides change in terms of public outlets and their support for Israel or Terrorists.

As the WaPo continues to be pro-terrorist, the EU is about to enter an era of pro-Israel support.

"Why am I one of the few that have expressed understanding for Israel? ... I am enjoying the luxury of telling the truth," Schwarzenberg told the daily.

40 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:33am

re: #26 Erik The Red

Hope you didn't waste good toilet paper?/

Outsida having to go find the plunger, that was the brite side.

41 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:52am

Since killing terrorists only makes the terrorists stronger, by that logic I hope the terrorists become the strongest force in the world.

Heh.

42 astronmr20  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:54am

After the inauguration, I expect this paper to go down in flames like many others are doing.

43 CodePirate  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:55am

I love how they make it sound like neighborhood kids shooting off bottle rockets on the fourth of July... As always, the Juice must be blowing things all out of proportion.

44 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:28:56am

re: #21 dcbatlle

If Israel fighting against islamic terror makes "only makes them stronger," then why do islamic terror shills oppose Israel fighting islamic terror? That makes no sense at all.

There you go, assuming terror shills pay attention to logic. All they care about is taking freedom and hope from others.

45 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #32 Desert Dog

Daoud Kuttab is a Palestinian journalist

A journalist from an imaginary country! Cool!

Me, I want to be Chief Correspondent from Never-NeverLand.

46 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:29:35am

Washington Post: "Professional" Journalist "Lying" to Everyone.

Eradicating terrorists most definitely does not make them stronger, Daoud. Your twisted propaganda doesn't work on people with more than two brain cells to rub together.

47 simonml  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:29:37am

I'd love to "nag" some terrorists with a rocket or two to the face

48 gclaghorn  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:29:46am

re: #33 subsailor68

Nagging? WTF?

Oh, maybe like:

"You kids pipe down back there or I'll pull this tank over right now!"

"I mean it."

"Not kidding here."

Don't make me turn this tank around!

49 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:29:46am

re: #37 Ben Hur

And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that the US used 30 million dollar missiles on guys with $20 guns in Afghanistan.

Their hypocrisy is not surprising.

Twenty dollar AKs?!

Damn, I need to find out where those guys have been shopping!

50 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:29:52am
Daoud Kuttab is a Palestinian HAMAS journalist

FATAH is loving what the IDF is doing.

51 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:29:56am

Amateur? Meaning amateur rockets don't main and kill... they only sting a little?

Good grief.

The 9/11 hijackers were amateur airline pilots, too.

52 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:30:00am
the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine


In my mind, that directly equates unfocused violence to the entire religion.

53 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:30:08am

re: #45 Occasional Reader

A journalist from an imaginary country! Cool!

Me, I want to be Chief Correspondent from Never-NeverLand.

No way, you'll be hanging out with Tinkerbell and the Mermaids too much!

54 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:30:34am

re: #43 CodePirate

I love how they make it sound like neighborhood kids shooting off bottle rockets on the fourth of July... As always, the Juice must be blowing things all out of proportion.

I hope they have, will, and are.

Leave not one stone on another in Gaza.

55 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:30:42am

re: #45 Occasional Reader

A journalist from an imaginary country! Cool!

Me, I want to be Chief Correspondent from Never-NeverLand.

Sorry, but Michael Jackson already holds that position.

56 albusteve  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:31:10am

re: #29 Occasional Reader

"Nagging" them, eh? You mean, the rockets just carry messages saying "take out the trash" and "don't forget to fix the garage door this weekend"?

Sorry, this is not "nagging".

talking rocket bombs!....send one to your boyfriend!

57 Westward Ho  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:31:13am

I read that Olmert is considering a 48 hour truce and if the Hamas don't stop nagging south Israel.... they will seriously consider a ground invasion.

58 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:31:18am

re: #14 Occasional Reader

I have to admit I'm surprised by the extent to which WaPo is in the tank for the Palis on this one... this past week they've been all Pali propaganda, all the time.

Could this be their way of indicating their preferred direction for the Obama administration?

59 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:31:32am

"Nagging" rockets reminds me of the journos who still refer to the 2001 anthrax "scare". A "scare" which killed five people.

60 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:31:32am

Friggin' amateurs.

You wanna toe?

I can get you a toe (looks at watch) in less than 24 hrs.

61 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:31:37am

re: #48 gclaghorn

Don't make me turn this tank around!

"You should have thought about going way back before we left camp!"

62 Pyrocles  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:31:42am

Daoud Kuttab is an islamaphobe!

re: #52 jwb7605

In my mind, that directly equates unfocused violence to the entire religion.

63 MJ  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:31:45am

US to donate 85 million dollars to the antisemitic and pro-terrorist UNRWA:

Media Note
Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
December 30, 2008

The United States Contributes $85 Million for Humanitarian Assistance to Palestinian Refugees
The United States announces its plan to contribute $85 million to the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) for its 2009 appeals. Of the $85 million announced today, $25 million will go to UNRWA’s Emergency Appeal for the West Bank and Gaza; $60 million to UNRWA’s General Fund.

Through this contribution to the Emergency Appeal for the West Bank and Gaza, Palestinian refugees, who comprise 70 percent of the population in Gaza and 30 percent in the West Bank, will receive urgently needed food, medicines, and other critical humanitarian assistance. The contribution to UNRWA’s General Fund will support the provision of basic and vocational education, primary health care, and relief and social services to more than 4.6 million registered Palestinian refugees in Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria.


The United States reiterates its deep concern about the escalating violence in Gaza and commends UNRWA’s important work meeting the emergency needs of civilians in Gaza at this very difficult time. We hold Hamas fully responsible for breaking the ceasefire and for the renewal of violence. We call on all concerned to protect innocent lives and to address the urgent humanitarian needs of the people of Gaza, by facilitating necessary access into Gaza for UNRWA and other humanitarian organizations. We also encourage other states to provide urgently needed funding to UNRWA and other international organizations providing lifesaving care to civilians in Gaza.


The United States is UNRWA’s largest bilateral donor, and contributed $184.68 million to UNRWA towards its 2008 Appeals, including $99.87 million for UNRWA’s General Fund and $84.81 million for its emergency appeals for Lebanon, the West Bank, and Gaza. The United States plans to provide additional funding for UNRWA's 2009 appeals in the future.
2008/1105


Released on December 30, 2008

For more on UNRWA, see here:
[Link: www.gloriacenter.org...]

64 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:32:14am

Isn't the Washington Post called the nation's "newspaper of record"?

65 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:32:16am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

"Nagging" rockets reminds me of the journos who still refer to the 2001 anthrax "scare". A "scare" which killed five people.

Or the BBC reporting on the OUTBREAK of mad cow in the US.

That OUTBREAK was one cow brought in from Canada.

66 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:32:16am

WaPo: transl -- Israeli self-defense is evil.

67 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:32:23am

Must admit I love the Juice. Keeps the sand fleas away.

68 maddogg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:32:36am

They use the word amateur to minimize the perceived threat to Israelis. Wasn't Tim McVeigh an amateur?

69 RaiderDan  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:32:40am

My mother-in-law, a native Washingtonian explained the WaPo's anti-Israel sentiments well, noting that the nexus between the WaPo's WASPish, Yalie elite editors and the CIA's WASPish, Yalie, but anti-Israel ex-analysts like Ray McGovern is particularly strong.

Self-hating liberal Jews like Dan Froomkin are welcome in the upper-crust world of the Post, but not pro-Israel ones.

70 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:32:43am

re: #30 reine.de.tout

Speechless. Just speechless.

the stupidity is infuriating. i'm just shaking my head in disbelief.

71 gclaghorn  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #61 subsailor68

"You should have thought about going way back before we left camp!"

"We'll drive the tank around the block a few times in case we remember anything we forgot."

72 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:33:08am

re: #39 Joo-LiZ

It's amazing how the tides change in terms of public outlets and their support for Israel or Terrorists.

As the WaPo continues to be pro-terrorist, the EU is about to enter an era of pro-Israel support.

Even better headline would have been: Schwarzenberg whacks Euromedia with cluebat.

73 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:33:10am

re: #68 maddogg

They use the word amateur to minimize the perceived threat to Israelis. Wasn't Tim McVeigh an amateur?

But he was a white Christian.

They're all professional killers.

74 Bubbaman  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:33:25am

What's worse is that the WaPo is acting like the propaganda arm of the Palestinian ministry. You think that Daoud's column is bad? Look at the front page of the e-version: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

At least one person in the comments section nailed the WaPo's editorial policies right when he compared their current reporting to Nazi sympathizers.

75 Opinionated  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:33:38am

I was seething when I read that this morning. Then I read so much more with the same theme.

As certain as the fact that the Sun rises, there is near universal consensus that Israelis/Jews must tolerate a chronic condition of Arab/Islamic hatred and terror spiked with occasion episodes of murder.

Turn the other cheek has been twisted and adapted as a cosmic order that only Jews must obey.

Fuck that.

76 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:33:55am

Honestly, Fatah and Hamas are crammed into a patch of land and then we are to believe that the palestinians are a separate entity from both?

Puh leaze. I do not believe that the Palis are different from Hamas and Fatah.

77 maddogg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:34:06am

re: #73 Ben Hur

But he was a white Christian.

They're all professional killers.

Oh yeah, I fergot...

78 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:34:06am

"nagging" hey? Well I hope the IDF nag Hamas and Gaza the same way, but double down on it.
Stupid pos.
And of course we could NEVER expect anything more reasonable for the WAPO.

79 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:34:10am
the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine

So how did that "fledgling" movement manage to a) win an election and b) win a mini-civil war against Fatah?

80 gclaghorn  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:34:26am

re: #45 Occasional Reader

A journalist from an imaginary country! Cool!

Me, I want to be Chief Correspondent from Never-NeverLand.

I have dibs on assignment editor from Fairytopia.

81 califleftyb  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:34:38am

Pray that Israel continues to "revive" Hamas till the point Kuttab can issue a birth announcement in the WaPo.

82 Bubbaman  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:01am

The best thing that could happen to the WaPo is that it goes into bankruptcy and the journalists move to Gaza where they would feel right at home.

83 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:01am

re: #71 gclaghorn

"We'll drive the tank around the block a few times in case we remember anything we forgot."

"Okay, where are the claymores? Bobby, what'd I tell you?"

84 Dovid  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:09am

Please spread the word, there is a pro-Israel demo at the Boston Consulate,
today (Tuesday) @ 5 pm

Boston Park Plaza Hotel
50 Park Plaza SQ
One Block from Boylston St

This is not only to show support for Israel but to counter the Pro-Hamas demo that will be there. PLEASE come if possible!

Dovid

85 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:19am

re: #63 MJ

Self Smack! When will we learn?

86 stanleymberg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:31am

A letter to the editor in the StarTribune today (Minneapolis)....I trust LGF readers are smart enough to see the utter folly in the analogy being made:

ASSAULT ON GAZA
Israel should realize pressure's not working
I hate my neighbors. It goes back a long way.

Lately I've been parking the Hummer my uncle gave me in front of their driveway. They can't even get groceries!

Well, their teenage brat started chucking Skoal tins over the fence at my house. He even broke a window.

That was it! I gave them both barrels of the shotgun my Uncle Sam also bought me. Turns out I killed their other son training to be on the police force. Imagine! One of them on the police force! That'll teach 'em.

YUSUF REED, FRIDLEY

87 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:33am

re: #74 Bubbaman


By Sudarsan Raghavan and Islam Abdel Kareem

Ahh...the cost of Saidism.

It would be culturally imperialistic to have a non-Muslim report on Muslim affairs.

Of course, it's not when it's about Israel.

Not many Israeli journalists reporting on Israel for foreing rags.

88 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:37am

re: #82 Bubbaman

The best thing that could happen to the WaPo is that it goes into bankruptcy and the journalists move to Gaza where they would feel right at home.

Then they can get a bailout too! Hooray!

/

89 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:40am

re: #45 Occasional Reader

A journalist from an imaginary country! Cool!

Me, I want to be Chief Correspondent from Never-NeverLand.

As long as you don't try to scoop me on news from Planet Unicorn -- that's my beat.

90 looking closely  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:35:59am

re: #41 Oh no...Sand People!

Since killing terrorists only makes the terrorists stronger, by that logic I hope the terrorists become the strongest force in the world.

Heh.

I think, in situations like this, the Curtis LeMay principle probably applies:

If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting.

91 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:36:00am

re: #30 reine.de.tout

Speechless. Just speechless.

Same here. I've written several posts but have deleted all. How do you address such blatant and willful idiocy?

92 pat  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:36:00am

The Palestinian Amateur Rocket Club is proud to announce its yearly award to the Rocketeer who has nagged the most Evil Zionists .

93 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:36:04am

re: #64 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Isn't the Washington Post called the nation's "newspaper of record"?

Nah, THAT distinctive lie belongs to the NY Times.

94 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:36:14am

re: #79 Occasional Reader

So how did that "fledgling" movement manage to a) win an election and b) win a mini-civil war against Fatah?

It's been around since the late 80's IIRC.

That's brand new!

95 Cheese Eater  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:36:31am

Would it be against the law to shoot homemade rockets against Kuttab?

Would he call the police and say, those pesky Jews are NAGGING me with rockets?

Where is the fair play?

Israel call off your expensive precision rockets....

PLEASE ISRAEL USE CONTROL!

Just shelling random rockets at Gaza the SAME WAY THAT HAMAS DOES....

NO MORE DISPROPORTIONATE BOMBINGS!

Israel needs to kill the palestinians in the same % as Hamas kills of Israeli's

Let's do the math...

Hamas has shot over 400 rockets in the past several days, killing 4...

ONE was a soldier... thus 75% of all Hamas KILLS are civilians

Israel has killed 400 and 20 or so are civilians...

ISRAEL STOP AT ONCE!

Israel, BY HAMAS LOGIC MUST KILL MORE CIVILIANS to EVEN THE PERCENTAGES!

Stop the CRIME OF ISRAEL NOT KILLING THE RIGHT % of Civilians!

96 Bubblehead II  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:36:32am

re: #19 FrogMarch

And this surprises you?

97 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:36:51am

WashPo is worth $3 billion less than 1 year ago - a whopping 54% drop.

Now that's change you can believe in.

98 looking closely  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:37:02am
In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine.

I suppose to the Palestinians, launching rockets is analagous to an Olympic sport, but this begs the question:

At what point do the rocket launchers go professional?

99 ThinkRight  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:37:04am

Dinner Jacket will not like his rockets called Amateur. !

100 dcbatlle  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:37:11am

re: #73 Ben Hur

re: #73 Ben Hur

But he was a white Christian.

They're all professional killers.

Not even McVeigh ever claimed to be a christian. That's just Leftwing disinformation which can easily be disproved, and has been done so repeatedly.

101 J.S.  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:37:36am

That Toronto-born CNN desk jockey, John Roberts, read portions of the Kuttab article today (during an interview with Benjamin Netanyahu), with Roberts arguing that fighting terrorism makes terrorism grow stronger -- a fine thesis that one is (a real howler). Netanyahu's response was to suggest that what Roberts really wants Israel to do is offer no defense, zero resistance, in the face of murderous assaults (the "typical" reportage from CNN -- that's the claim that terrorists are all powerful and must be assuaged and given into and appeased and that any, any form of opposition to terrorists harms the innocent -- how much more cockeyed a "theory" to adhere to, it is difficult for me to imagine...but, hey, that's CNN moonbats par excellance. ).

102 stanleymberg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:37:37am

My favorite part:
"Well, their teenage brat started chucking Skoal tins over the fence at my house. He even broke a window."

"chucking Skoal tins" = rockets from Hamas that have killed dozens of innocent Israelis and maimed countless others

I ask you all - how do you even reason with people who think such an analogy is apt? You don't.

103 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:37:41am

re: #64 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Isn't the Washington Post called the nation's "newspaper of record"?

With all of their Israel-bashing, they're fast becoming "The Newspaper of Broken Record."

104 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:37:52am

re: #93 realwest

Nah, THAT distinctive lie belongs to the NY Times.

Thanks, knew it was one of them. Couldn't remember which.

/as if I really gave a shit in the first place ... (-:

105 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:38:07am

re: #91 MandyManners

Same here. I've written several posts but have deleted all. How do you address such blatant and willful idiocy?

heh.
I did the same thing - wrote up several sentences, deleted, several more, and finally just figured I would say what I felt - speechless, mostly at the thought that there are those who will actually buy that line of bullshit.

106 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:38:10am

re: #89 Throbert McGee

You'll have to fight it out with gclaghorn (#80).

107 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:38:13am

re: #75 Opinionated
And Fuck Them. "Amateur" was only used to try to distance Hamas from it, and that's the only reason.

108 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:38:23am

re: #95 Cheese Eater

Would it be against the law to shoot homemade rockets against Kuttab?

Would he call the police and say, those pesky Jews are NAGGING me with rockets?

Where is the fair play?

Israel call off your expensive precision rockets....

PLEASE ISRAEL USE CONTROL!

Just shelling random rockets at Gaza the SAME WAY THAT HAMAS DOES....

NO MORE DISPROPORTIONATE BOMBINGS!

Israel needs to kill the palestinians in the same % as Hamas kills of Israeli's

Let's do the math...

Hamas has shot over 400 rockets in the past several days, killing 4...

ONE was a soldier... thus 75% of all Hamas KILLS are civilians

Israel has killed 400 and 20 or so are civilians...

ISRAEL STOP AT ONCE!

Israel, BY HAMAS LOGIC MUST KILL MORE CIVILIANS to EVEN THE PERCENTAGES!

Stop the CRIME OF ISRAEL NOT KILLING THE RIGHT % of Civilians!


Turn off the guidance systems!

109 Dovid  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:39:01am

Please spread the word, there is a pro-Israel demo at the Boston Consulate,
today (Tuesday) @ 5 pm

Boston Park Plaza Hotel
50 Park Plaza SQ
One Block from Boylston St

This is not only to show support for Israel but to counter the Pro-Hamas demo that will be there. PLEASE come if possible!

Dovid

110 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:39:43am

re: #82 Bubbaman

The best thing that could happen to the WaPo is that it goes into bankruptcy and the journalists move to Gaza where they would feel right at home.

They have expensive Bars and Restaurants in Gaza?!

111 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:39:53am

re: #29 Occasional Reader

"Nagging" them, eh? You mean, the rockets just carry messages saying "take out the trash" and "don't forget to fix the garage door this weekend"?

Sorry, this is not "nagging".

and my ex's world famous line " You Know what you did!"

112 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:40:01am

re: #94 Ben Hur

It's been around since the late 80's IIRC.

That's brand new!

No, it's been around a long, long time.

113 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:40:08am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

"Nagging" rockets reminds me of the journos who still refer to the 2001 anthrax "scare".

Let's not forget the "disasters" "incidents" of September 11.

114 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:40:09am

re: #100 dcbatlle

re: #73 Ben Hur


Not even McVeigh ever claimed to be a christian. That's just Leftwing disinformation which can easily be disproved, and has been done so repeatedly.

I didn't mean Christian, as in "Christian."

If you're white, European, they don't give a shit what you call yourself, or if you think you're a Athiest, Agnostic, whatever.

You are Christian.

You are Crusader.

115 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:40:24am

re: #91 MandyManners

Same here. I've written several posts but have deleted all. How do you address such blatant and willful idiocy?

I am simply not writing my thoughts here.
I know Stinky would use a bazooka, instead of his pipe wrench, on them.
Why bother.

116 So?  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:40:30am

Amateur rockets don't kill people, the Washington Post does.

117 Green Helmet Guy  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:40:37am

I have said it before and I will say it again:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Funny how all the Paleostinian supporter arguments go like so:

2nd place on the BBC's have your say:

"Number of Israelis killed by Hamas rockets since the end of the truce and until the Israeli strike: zero (so this means if you shoot and miss its OK?). Number of Palestinians killed by Israeli strike: 200 and counting. A proportionate response? Only to those who are deluded, racist or brainwashed.

The real shame of it is that the media is only reporting half the story. Israel continues to steal land and to expand its illegal settlements every day. Didn't land grabs start WW2? Shame on Israel!"
Birdseye View, Atlantis

[Link: newsforums.bbc.co.uk...]


If some one shoots at you and misses what do you do?
A. you stand there and wait for him to hit you like this genius above states?
or B. you defend yourself and disarm the shooter

but if your a raving antisemitic no matter what the Joooooooo does its never justified.

and "birdseye view" is certainly picked a great location, Atlantis, just perfect. He definitely is living in a fantasy land.

118 Tumulus11  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:40:57am
'... [Israel] wants to show toughness to a public unhappy with the nuisance of the Qassam rockets.'

. The IDF was 'unhappy' with the 'nuisance' so it blew up Nahoul's hive.
Nahoul was 'martyred'. The position's available.
Daoud.

119 pat  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:00am

Do not forget the Left's desperate efforts to save Hezbollah in the last go around. which allowed Hezbollah to announce its victory as its brave leader hid out in Syria. And then there was the Left's cry for George H Bush to end the The First Gulf War because we were like killing too many poor Iraqi soldiers. Pattern.

120 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:02am

Israel should pull back, stop all air sorties....and, then start randomly firing 5000-7000 missiles packed with ball bearing and nails into Gaza.

121 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:05am

It's good to see that the WaPo comments thread is not entirely filled with lefty sheep. E.g.:

Why this Palestinian terrorist apologist is even in this country is a mystery to me and no doubt many others. Oh, wait. he's at Princeton - just one of many Ivy League terrorist apologist universities.

122 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:12am

re: #90 looking closely

Curtis Lemay. As long as the military still has those types I have confidence for the future.

123 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:14am

re: #109 Dovid

Please spread the word, there is a pro-Israel demo at the Boston Consulate,
today (Tuesday) @ 5 pm

Boston Park Plaza Hotel
50 Park Plaza SQ
One Block from Boylston St

This is not only to show support for Israel but to counter the Pro-Hamas demo that will be there. PLEASE come if possible!

Dovid

I'll be there in spirit!

124 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:22am

re: #112 MandyManners

No, it's been around a long, long time.


Upding! Great use of this vid.

125 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:28am

re: #113 Throbert McGee

Let's not forget the "disasters" "incidents" of September 11.

Also "tragedy".

How about "dastardly, unprovoked Islamic terrorist attacks"

126 looking closely  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:37am

re: #108 Ben Hur

Turn off the guidance systems!

As matter of semantic accuracy, "rockets" (by definition) lack guidance systems. "Missles" are guided.

So the things you launch from your backyard 4th of July, are properly termed "rockets". The ones the Palestinians launch aren't really all that different conceptually, they're just bigger.

127 Sol Roth  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:45am

re: #90 looking closely

Quadruple updingy for quoting Curtis. The only way to prosecute a war IMHO.

128 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:47am

re: #105 reine.de.tout

heh.
I did the same thing - wrote up several sentences, deleted, several more, and finally just figured I would say what I felt - speechless, mostly at the thought that there are those who will actually buy that line of bullshit.

I think most of us have done the same. Self censorship because if we really had to say what we want we would make LGF and Charles look bad. And risk being deleted or banned.

129 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:41:51am

re: #105 reine.de.tout

heh.
I did the same thing - wrote up several sentences, deleted, several more, and finally just figured I would say what I felt - speechless, mostly at the thought that there are those who will actually buy that line of bullshit.

I can't think of them lest my head goes *pop*.

130 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:42:08am

Daud was taken by quicksand if I remember correctly.

Awrence never got over it.

131 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:42:47am

re: #121 Occasional Reader

It's good to see that the WaPo comments thread is not entirely filled with lefty sheep. E.g.:


Of course, there's also this:

Now to the simple logic of it all !

Jews consists of 0.02% of the World's population.

Islam consists of 23% of the World's population.

How do Jews or ANYONE think that 0.02% of the World's population killing 23% of the World's population at will is acceptable ?

Da Juice is killing all da Muslims! Oh noes!

132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:43:20am

re: #103 Wyatt Earp

With all of their Israel-bashing, they're fast becoming "The Newspaper of Broken Record."

Newspaper of Wretched?

133 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:44:04am

re: #115 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I am simply not writing my thoughts here.
I know Stinky would use a bazooka, instead of his pipe wrench, on them.
Why bother.

That was one reason I deleted repeatedly. Another was the drain I felt in my brain.

134 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:44:17am

re: #132 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Newspaper of Wretched?

Ha! Even better!

135 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:44:25am

re: #113 Throbert McGee

Let's not forget the "disasters" "incidents" of September 11.

I actually had a relative over Christmas refer to "those hotel fires" in Mumbai. Sigh.

136 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:44:44am

re: #130 Ben Hur

Daud was taken by quicksand if I remember correctly.

Lawrence never got over it.

PIYF

137 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:45:07am

re: #130 Ben Hur

Daud was taken by quicksand if I remember correctly.

Awrence never got over it.

We've taken Aqaba!

138 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:45:10am

re: #112 MandyManners
Indeed and great post and link!

139 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:45:10am

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Upding! Great use of this vid.

Thanks!

140 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:45:16am

How about Fuck them. They made this bed and let Israel wash the sheets and remake it.

141 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:45:28am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

PIYF

Er, no. That was intentional. See the movie.

142 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:46:09am

re: #140 Erik The Red

How about Fuck them. They made wet this bed and let Israel wash the sheets and remake it.

Fixed.

143 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:46:42am

re: #126 looking closely

As matter of semantic accuracy, "rockets" (by definition) lack guidance systems. "Missles" are guided.

So the things you launch from your backyard 4th of July, are properly termed "rockets". The ones the Palestinians launch aren't really all that different conceptually, they're just bigger.

I meant that Israel should respond with 100% proprtionality and SHUT OFF THE GUIDANCE SYSTEMS on their weapons.

The proportionality arguement is BS.

During the suicide bombing campaigns in the 90's when Israel (urged by Clinton) would only hit empty buildings (which is why Clinton only hit an empty building in the Sudan after the first WTC bombing) there were screams of disproportionality.

So I figured that the proportionate response to a suicide bombing on a bus that killed 26 people and wounded 50 would be to enter a Pali village, randomly select 26 people for death, and take an additional 50 and shoot them in the leg.

That is proportionality.

But not for the Left and the Euroweenies.

For them it's about power - much like the left's "minorities can't be racist because they have no power, BS.

6-7 million Jews are the reason 500 million Arabs live in the stone age.

That's what they think.

144 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:46:43am

re: #138 realwest

It was rather fitting.

145 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:46:47am

re: #141 Occasional Reader

Er, no. That was intentional. See the movie.

Is that the one about the guy in the desert?

146 lostlakehiker  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:46:48am

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times: pick up your socks. And----------rrrrrrrrrratsch-Booom! And another thing; don't eat with your mouth -------------szszszs-Crash!----------open.

Don't you just hate that kind of nagging? It's enough to drive a nation to distraction.

But what, exactly, is "amateur" about Grad specs here rockets?

147 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:46:50am

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Fixed.

Works for me.

148 So?  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:47:01am

I'm pissed about YouTube removing IDF videos while Hamass drek stays.

149 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:47:13am

None other than Barack Obama stated the following in Sderot, Israel in July of 2008:

Q:Do you think Israel should negotiate with Hamas in Gaza?

OBAMA: I don't think any country would find it acceptable to have missiles raining down on the heads of their citizens.

The first job of any nation state is to protect its citizens. And so I can assure you that if -- I don't even care if I was a politician. If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that. And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing.

In terms of negotiations with Hamas, it is very hard to negotiate with a group that is not representative of a nation state, does not recognize your right to exist, has consistently used terror as a weapon, and is deeply influenced by other countries. I think that Hamas leadership will have to make a decision at some point as to whether it is a serious political party seeking to represent the aspirations of the Palestinian people. And, as a consequence, willing to recognize Israel's right to exist and renounce violence as a tool to achieve its aims. Or whether it wants to continue to operate as a terrorist organization. Until that point, it's hard for Israel, I think, to negotiate with a country that -- or with a group that doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist at a country -- OK.

Meanwhile, the IDF YouTube channel is getting hit with terms of service violations, taking videos off the service until they're restored. No doubt the jihadis hate seeing their own terminated in extreme prejudice even as they proffer their own videos showcasing terrorists in action

150 Opinionated  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:47:29am

Guess the author of another piece:

About Israel's right and duty to defend its border towns, there is no dispute. When Hamas permits Gaza to be used as a launch pad for rockets, it must expect retaliation. Nor can Hamas claim some right to dictate the limits of that retaliation.

Yet the wisdom of so savage a retribution for rockets that killed not one Israeli is open to question. And crass Israeli politics seems to be behind this premeditated and planned blitz

Notice the description of an Israeli Blitz as a clue.

151 SummerSong  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:47:44am

Ah, nagging rockets?

Nothing more than an annoyance, then, eh WaPo?

152 looking closely  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:47:46am

re: #117 Green Helmet Guy
Nobody can really say what the "proportionate" response to terrorist rocket attacks on Israeli civilians is, because the concept is intrinsically flawed.

"Proportionality" has nothing whatever to do with this.

Simply put, the Gazans are launching indiscriminate attacks against Israeli civilians. The appropriate response is whatever response is necessary to get those attacks to stop, with reasonable deference given to minimizing Gazan civilian casualties, where practicable.

153 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:47:48am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

PIYF

No no no!

They called him Arwence, not Lawrence.

154 So?  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:48:28am

Let's see rocks don't kill people, amateur rockets don't either, so maybe Hamas should begin doing stand-up comedy. That should kill everyone.

155 Dianna  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:48:29am

re: #100 dcbatlle

re: #73 Ben Hur

Not even McVeigh ever claimed to be a christian. That's just Leftwing disinformation which can easily be disproved, and has been done so repeatedly.

McVeigh claimed to be an atheist, right up to the end, when he did request last rites. I refuse to judge that, but there's a little voice in the back of my head screaming, "Coward! Hypocrite!"

156 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:48:35am

re: #93 realwest

Isn't the Washington Post called the nation's "newspaper of record"?

Nah, THAT distinctive lie belongs to the NY Times.

I remember, back in the '90s when I first moved to NYC from DC, hearing this joke and finding it very droll and appropriate:


Q: What's the difference between NYC and DC?
A: In NYC, smart people read the Times and laugh at the Post...

But in the words of Reno Sweeney, "Ti-i-i-imes have changed..."

157 Cicero05  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:49:09am
In its efforts to stop amateur rockets from nagging the residents of some of its southern cities, Israel appears to have given new life to the fledging Islamic movement in Palestine.

And they're not terrorists; they're hobbyists. Just like the harmless nerds in the high school Rocketry Club.

158 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:49:11am

Blago naming someone to Senate today

159 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:49:20am

re: #148 So?

I'm pissed about YouTube removing IDF videos while Hamass drek stays.

WHAT?

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:49:37am

Ray Nagin? What does he have to do with it?

161 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:49:37am

re: #153 Ben Hur

No no no!

They called him Arwence, not Lawrence.

Oh. I once rented Lowrance of Arabia. Turned out to be a video about fish finders. Quite boring.

162 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:49:58am

re: #153 Ben Hur

No no no!

They called him Arwence, not Lawrence.

Sorry, I didn't know.

163 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:50:15am

I remember sitting through a 'critical thinking' English class during college. The moonbat teacher brought up a picture showing a small pali child with a rock getting ready to throw it at an Israeli tank.

She was all expecting us to be all sympathetic to the pali propaganda. "U.S. given weapons, 'disproportionate', and occupation" Just a few of her leftist code words...

She didn't know what hit her. We had a nucleus of self educated students in the class and we systematically destroyed the class and repelled it's 'groupthink'. It was one of the greatest days of college I ever had.

*wipes at misty eyes...*

164 jim in virginia  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:50:19am

OT- Fox News reports that Blago will make Senate appointment.
Twenty quatloos says it is--himself.

165 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:50:40am

re: #158 faraway

Blago naming someone to Senate today

Link?

166 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:50:44am

re: #149 lawhawk

I'd feel a lot better about Obama's remarks if they didn't contain this nugget of blinding idiocy:

I think that Hamas leadership will have to make a decision at some point as to whether it is a serious political party seeking to represent the aspirations of the Palestinian people.

Gosh, do you see any evidence that Hamas has already "made a decision" about who they are? I dunno... their charter, two decades of terrorist attacks, repeated calls for genocide... stuff like that?

167 J.S.  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:50:50am

re: #108 Ben Hur

btw, Netanyahu also asked John Roberts of CNN what Roberts would consider to be "proportional" (Netanyahu proposed the answer was to have, in the event that HAMAS fires 40 rockets into Israel, that Israel, in proportion, returns fire, launching 40 rockets into Gaza...ta dah! -- proportionality achieved! media applauds?)

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:50:51am

Just got in from yard chores (60f freaking degrees here). Blago's naming someone. That been talked about?

169 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:50:56am

Roland Burris

170 SFGoth  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:04am

What do you expect from a newspaper that got caught printing utterly phony stories resulting in a prize? The Post, living off Watergate glory since 1974.

171 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:08am

Ehud Barak should quote U.S. Grant, "no terms except unconditional and immediate surrender can be accepted. I propose to move immediately upon your works."

172 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:12am
173 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:20am

re: #28 astronmr20

So has anyone heard from BHO on any of this?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Leave Barack Obama alone! He's trying to figure out if the baseball cap is worn bill front or bill backwards.

174 Opinionated  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:37am

re: #152 looking closely

Nobody can really say what the "proportionate" response to terrorist rocket attacks on Israeli civilians is, because the concept is intrinsically flawed.

Here is a damn good response to a need for proportionality.

Israel's Response Is Disproportionate

I condemn Israel's disproportionate attack on Hamas because, so far, it has only lasted four days and I would like to see a proportionate response that terrifies Hamas for seven years, the years that have filled Sderot and neighboring towns with nightmares, death, amputations and trauma coming from rockets and mortars fired from Gaza.

Perhaps a proportionate response would have Gaza's leaders fearful of being killed every day for the next two years, as Gilad Shalit has been terrified of torture and death every day for the last two years in his solitary Gaza dungeon.

A proportionate response would have Hamas mothers and fathers as fearful for their children's lives as Shalit's mother and father have been fearful for Gilad's life.

More:

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

175 jim in virginia  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:38am

re: #163 Oh no...Sand People!
It's so sad when moonbats are confronted by reality.

176 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #153 Ben Hur

No no no!

They called him Arwence, not Lawrence.

177 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #153 Ben Hur

No no no!

They called him Arwence, not Lawrence.

I heard it more as "awrrance".

Do Arabs really have trouble pronouncing "L"?

(One of my favorite movies, by the way.)

178 gclaghorn  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:51:57am

re: #164 jim in virginia

OT- Fox News reports that Blago will make Senate appointment.
Twenty quatloos says it is--himself.

It's supposed to be Roland Burris.

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:52:04am

re: #164 jim in virginia

State Comptroller, according to Drudge. Roland Burris.

180 Dianna  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:52:14am

re: #157 Cicero05

And they're not terrorists; they're hobbyists. Just like the harmless nerds in the high school Rocketry Club.

Clearly, they didn't know some of my friends. Or some of the Rocketry Club types I have.

181 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:52:23am

re: #163 Oh no...Sand People!

I remember sitting through a 'critical thinking' English class during college. The moonbat teacher brought up a picture showing a small pali child with a rock getting ready to throw it at an Israeli tank.

She was all expecting us to be all sympathetic to the pali propaganda. "U.S. given weapons, 'disproportionate', and occupation" Just a few of her leftist code words...

She didn't know what hit her. We had a nucleus of self educated students in the class and we systematically destroyed the class and repelled it's 'groupthink'. It was one of the greatest days of college I ever had.

*wipes at misty eyes...*

I knocked down lefty propaganda a few times myslef when I was in college. Good times, friend, good times.

182 Muadib  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:52:24am

Israel should "nag" the Paleostinians with millions of "amateur rockets", just to make things fair.

183 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:52:35am

More wasted money.....
US gives 85 million dollars to Palestinian refugees


The United States announced Tuesday it is providing Palestinian refugees with 85 million dollars, including a portion to help ease the plight of Palestinians under siege in the Gaza Strip.

The State Department said the funds would be channelled through the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNWRA) whose role it commended in "meeting the emergency needs of civilians in Gaza at this very difficult time."

184 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:52:45am

When you're a Jew/Israelis, proportionality is important.

It keeps the Jew from defending himself.

We like weak Jews. That's why we love Holocaust flicks.

If you're not a Jew or Jewish State, disproportionality is called THE POWELL DOCTRINE.

Powell expanded upon the Doctrine, asserting that when a nation is engaging in war, every resource and tool should be used to achieve decisive force against the enemy, minimizing US casualties and ending the conflict quickly by forcing the weaker force to capitulate. This is well in line with Western military strategy dating at least from Carl von Clausewitz's On War.

The Doctrine has been used to compare the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, and the Iraq War.[2]

185 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:52:47am

re: #153 Ben Hur

No no no!

They called him Awrence, not Lawrence.

In other words, "Lawrence" got arabicized to al-Awrence.

186 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:53:04am

re: #149 lawhawk

None other than Barack Obama stated the following in Sderot, Israel in July of 2008:

Meanwhile, the IDF YouTube channel is getting hit with terms of service violations, taking videos off the service until they're restored. No doubt the jihadis hate seeing their own terminated in extreme prejudice even as they proffer their own videos showcasing terrorists in action

How fast til Obama throws his own words under the bus... He's pretty good at that.

/Change!

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:53:06am

re: #182 Muadib

Israel should "nag" the Paleostinians with millions of "amateur rockets", just to make things fair.

Shoot. Ain't nothin amateur about Israel's rockets.

188 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:53:13am

re: #143 Ben Hur
Hey Ben - ya know - and I've said this before - I've never understood the value of a "proportional response". They shoot unguided rockets into Israel, clearly not caring (and probably hoping) that they'll hit and kill/maim Israeli civilians.
Israel should hit 'em with guided weapons intended to kill/maim as many of them as possible.
Fuck "Proportional Response".

189 So?  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:53:15am

re: #159 Ben Hur

WHAT?

They've already removed a number of videos placed on YT by the new Israeli channel.

190 ThinkRight  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:53:27am
Blago naming someone to Senate today

re: #158 faraway


Who ?
McKinney ?
Rev Wright ?
Michelle O ?

191 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:53:34am

There will be newspapers in hell printed on asbestos

192 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:53:53am

re: #144 MandyManners
Damn right it was!

193 So?  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:54:03am

re: #173 debutaunt

He's holding a nine iron now...he's busy.

194 jim in virginia  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:54:07am

re: #178 gclaghorn

So what did he bleepin pay for it?
It's valuable, you don't just give it away.

195 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:54:12am

re: #183 Killgore Trout

More wasted money.....
US gives 85 million dollars to Palestinian refugees

Just think of all the good will that'll buy us!

/////

196 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:54:16am

re: #163 Oh no...Sand People!
Honey..Why don't you be a good girl and go out and throw rocks at the juice Tanks while mommy sleeps..

197 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:54:17am

The Seate will refuse to seat anyone that Blago Names. He could ressurect Everrett Dirkson and they would still say no. He could name himself and then laugh like Herb Lom in the Pink Panther movies or name Farrakhan just to be obnoxious.

198 gclaghorn  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:54:27am

re: #190 ThinkRight

Who ?
McKinney ?
Rev Wright ?
Michelle O ?

State comptroller, Roland Burris.

199 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:54:28am

Here we have the journalism of amateurs coalescing around the religion of nags. Party on...

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:54:31am

re: #193 So?

He's holding a nine iron now...he's busy.

Glad he's keeping his mouth shut. Ain't his turf...yet.

201 Muadib  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:55:11am

re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shoot. Ain't nothin amateur about Israel's rockets.

How about Experimental rockets?

202 Opinionated  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:55:15am

re: #182 Muadib

Israel should "nag" the Paleostinians with millions of "amateur rockets", just to make things fair.

No. Israel should destroy the barbarians with all the power at their disposal.

Because the animals have demanded War and war is not fair.

203 maddogg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:55:19am

The only thing worse than a terrorist is a lunatic left wing liberal, they make being a terrorist possible and profitable.

/No, I don't like 'em, not a bit.

204 So?  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:55:34am

re: #183 Killgore Trout

More wasted money.....
US gives 85 million dollars to Palestinian refugees

WTF are they still refugees after 60 years?

205 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:55:40am

Blago is sending a message to someone with this pick. (Don't know what it is though)

206 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:55:47am

re: #171 lifeofthemind

Ehud Barak should quote U.S. Grant, "no terms except unconditional and immediate surrender can be accepted. I propose to move immediately upon your works."

Concur. And he should invoke General W.T. Sherman in response to questions about disproportionality: "War is cruelty and you cannot refine it."

207 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:55:48am

re: #143 Ben Hur

For them it's about power - much like the left's "minorities can't be racist because they have no power, BS.

I have had a Lefty justify suicide bombing to my face because "they don't have any other weapons."

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:56:00am
209 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:56:01am

re: #149 lawhawk
Why are Israeli videos violating terms of service and Hamas videos aren't?
Cause Israeli videos are made by Jews, that's why.
So Fuck YouTube, too.

210 jcbunga  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:56:07am

And now a reality check from a real journalist...here's what Edward R. Murrow said while broadcasting from Buchenwald, April 15, 1945:

"I pray you to believe what I have said about Buchenwald. I have reported what I saw and heard, but only part of it. For most of it I have no words. If I've offended you by this rather mild account of Buchenwald, I'm not in the least sorry."

What has happened to the entire profession?

211 Dianna  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:56:17am

re: #198 gclaghorn

State comptroller, Roland Burris.

Poor man.

212 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:56:27am

re: #183 Killgore Trout

More wasted money.....
US gives 85 million dollars to Palestinian refugees

Looks like Swiss Banks will be working over time, with Hamas secret numbered accounts.

213 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:56:44am

re: #177 Occasional Reader

I heard it more as "awrrance".

Do Arabs really have trouble pronouncing "L"?

(One of my favorite movies, by the way.)

I don't know about the "L," but I know they have a problem with "V."

Tel Abib, etc.

214 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:56:46am

Israel's new video channel "JuiceTube"

215 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:56:49am

re: #131 Occasional Reader

Da Juice is killing all da Muslims! Oh noes!

Heh.
That person seems to have overlooked the fact that the 23% are doing quite a lot of killing themselves off, all by their own selves, with no help from the 0.02%.

Mind, this numerical comparison implies that getting rid of those pesky 0.02%, as the 23% so fervently wish, would be no big deal.

Asshats will always betray themselves ...

216 Muadib  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:03am

re: #202 Opinionated

No. Israel should destroy the barbarians with all the power at their disposal.

Because the animals have demanded War and war is not fair.

I agree.

217 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:04am

re: #190 ThinkRight

Who ?
Michelle O ?

I like it, gives her a salary and gets her out of the house.

218 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:08am

re: #207 Ojoe

I have had a Lefty justify suicide bombing to my face because "they don't have any other weapons."

Well they got knives.. They could just stab themselves.

219 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:12am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Also, WTS:

"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen and I say let us give them all they want."

220 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:15am

re: #207 Ojoe

I have had a Lefty justify suicide bombing to my face because "they don't have any other weapons."

I've had a lefty self-proclaimed "pacifist" say that very same thing.

221 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:16am

This is like saying a rapist was harassing his victim.
Rapists rape and terrorist terrorize - not nag.
Disgusting.

222 ThinkRight  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:27am

re: #198 gclaghorn

State comptroller, Roland Burris.

Too bad Obama Hussein cant Pardon Blago now so he could take the seat himself

223 Westward Ho  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:33am

I too saw that ridiculous headline about Israel rejecting truce and clicked on it thinking that Hamas had offered a truce.

But a 48 hour truce is actively being considered

224 Desert Dog  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:40am

re: #212 Dustyvet

Looks like Swiss Banks will be working over time, with Hamas secret numbered accounts.

Merry Christmas Hamas....now the leaders (that are still alive) can get new Rolex watches and trade in those older model Mercedes for a new shiney ones...

225 fish  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:47am
226 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:50am

re: #185 Throbert McGee

In other words, "Lawrence" got arabicized to al-Awrence.

Similarly, various locales named Alexandria, after Alexander the Great, later became arabicized as al-Iskandar (and sometimes simply Iskandar) because the first syllable al was misinterpreted as the Arabic definite article.

227 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:57am

re: #189 So?

They've already removed a number of videos placed on YT by the new Israeli channel.

Unbelievable.

228 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:57:57am

re: #205 faraway

Blago is sending a message to someone with this pick. (Don't know what it is though)

It's a message to all honest people and in it he's telling us to FOAD.

229 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:58:01am

re: #193 So?

He's holding a nine iron now...he's busy.

Between waffle bites.

230 maddogg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:58:20am

re: #218 HoosierHoops

Well they got knives.. They could just stab themselves.

Real men cut themselves up first....

231 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:58:29am

re: #205 faraway

Blago is sending a message to someone with this pick. (Don't know what it is though)

Roland Burris? If he wanted to send a message, he should have picked Rollo Tomasi.

;-)

232 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:58:38am

I have linked to this on the LNDT. Worth reading.
Conclusion: The problem with no solution

Of course, Israel does not win a complete victory. Hamas does not fall. The problem is not gone. For Hamas will define survival as victory. Hamas, like the PLO before it, wins one "victory" after another and always ends up worse off.

The conflict will be back, however it ends this round, on whatever day it ends. Quiet will return, the supplies will flow back into Gaza. And so many months in the future the process will be repeated.

There is, however, an important difference. Israel uses its time not only for military preparations but to educate its children, build its infrastructure, raise its living standards. Hamas doesn't.

"We believe in death," Hamas says, "You believe in life."

Be careful what you wish for, you will get it.
Read the whole thing Hamas's Strategy: The Rockets or the Media

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:58:39am

re: #202 Opinionated

No. Israel should destroy the barbarians with all the power at their disposal.

Because the animals have demanded War and war is not fair.

Far Side once had a cartoon, Settlers behind a covered wagon circle...flaming arrows hitting the wagons...one says to the other...

"Hey! They're lighting the arrows! Can they do that?"

234 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:59:04am

You cannot argue with those who deliberately lie.

The options for dealing with such people are extremely limited.

235 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:59:08am

There is no such thing as disproportionate force in war.

There is only sufficient force to win or insufficient force which results in defeat.

Israel is still using insufficient force to eliminate Hamas. They continue to play games as to whether they will engage in ceasefires or allow some form of hudna to continue. Neither is peace, but a prelude to war.

This war was six months in the making - if you look back to the past six months. It was a war in the making since Hamas came to power in Gaza and set upon a course of death and destruction for all those around them in 2005 - when Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza. Palestinians chose war. They chose Hamas.

Now, they chose this war, and they don't like being on the receiving end. They complain that Israel isn't fighting fair - that they aren't sending in ground forces or that they're using only airstrikes or that they're hitting civilians.

Hamas couldn't care about any of that. If they did, they would have fought Israel on a field of battle in proper uniform and not attacked civilians for six months during a so-called ceasefire. This war is about furthering the objectives of jihad - to destroy Israel and supplant it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And it's past time that the diplomats and the Israelis themselves see this. It's almost too late for the Gazans; they're still backing the weak horse, which thinks Israel's restraint is a show of weakness to be exploited.

236 golly_wog  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:59:42am

I'm going to blindfold myself and sit across the table from your family. I am then going to launch bent paperclips with a strong rubber band blindly toward your family because I want you to leave. Each hit will cause bleeding and pain, possibly putting an eye out. I'm going to do this for hours and hours no matter what you say. When you come over and beat the crap out of me with a beer pitcher, I'm going to say that you started it, and that moonbat at the other table is going to say your response was disproportionate -- it was just paperclips.

See how much sympathy that analogy will get you, you jerkwater moonbat journalists.

237 laxmatt1984  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:59:47am

Good lord!

Hamas is the Incredible Hulk!

238 stanleymberg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 9:59:57am

"I have had a Lefty justify suicide bombing to my face because "they don't have any other weapons."

Yep, that's the one that kills me. It's morally debased on so many levels, it's hard to know how to respond. I tend to just utter a sound of disgust and walk away - why even dignify such an asinine argument?

239 Ben Hur  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:00:07am

Remember, the same MSMers attacking Israel for using TOO MUCH FORCE were attacking Bush for not using enough, then not admitting not using enough, then using too much (surge) which brought victory.

BBL

240 looking closely  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:00:26am

re: #143 Ben Hur

I meant that Israel should respond with 100% proprtionality and SHUT OFF THE GUIDANCE SYSTEMS on their weapons.


Turning $25,000 missles into $25 rockets is a waste of ordnance.

Apart from degrading Israels capabilities, that wouldn't accomplish anything anyway, since cries of "disproportionate" amount to nothing more than assertions that Israel shouldn't defend itself from terrorism. Israel could launch spitballs at Gaza and the same ones whining about "disproportionality" would still complain.

Israel should simply disregard disingenuous claims of "disproportionality" and do whatever is practically necessary to shut down HAMAS's ability to launch rockets. If that entails killing HAMAS members, or destroying property, so be it, so long as Israel makes good-faith efforts to minimize collateral damage.


The proportionality arguement is BS.

No argument there.

So I figured that the proportionate response to a suicide bombing on a bus that killed 26 people and wounded 50 would be to enter a Pali village, randomly select 26 people for death, and take an additional 50 and shoot them in the leg. That is proportionality.


Again the concept of "proportionality" is utterly irrelevant here.

If someone pulls out a gun and shoots you with the intent to kill you, but only hits you in the arm, you're supposed to respond by shooting them in the arm? That's "proportionality".

Ipso facto, in some situations, the ONLY appropriate response is a disproportionate one.

241 AuntAcid  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:01:10am

re: #183 Killgore Trout

More wasted money.....
US gives 85 million dollars to Palestinian refugees


I heard that the UNWRA has 11,000 employees in Gaza.

242 DistantThunder  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:01:30am

re: #236 golly_wog

I'm going to blindfold myself and sit across the table from your family. I am then going to launch bent paperclips with a strong rubber band blindly toward your family because I want you to leave. Each hit will cause bleeding and pain, possibly putting an eye out. I'm going to do this for hours and hours no matter what you say. When you come over and beat the crap out of me with a beer pitcher, I'm going to say that you started it, and that moonbat at the other table is going to say your response was disproportionate -- it was just paperclips.

See how much sympathy that analogy will get you, you jerkwater moonbat journalists.

It's what all criminals do - justify their actions as the only "reasonable" option open to them.

243 maddogg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:01:46am

re: #239 Ben Hur

Remember, the same MSMers attacking Israel for using TOO MUCH FORCE were attacking Bush for not using enough, then not admitting not using enough, then using too much (surge) which brought victory.

BBL

Right, left wing morons are who should be directing military combat maneuvers, they have such a winning record.

244 Erik The Red  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:01:55am

re: #236 golly_wog

I'm going to blindfold myself and sit across the table from your family. I am then going to launch bent paperclips with a strong rubber band blindly toward your family because I want you to leave. Each hit will cause bleeding and pain, possibly putting an eye out. I'm going to do this for hours and hours no matter what you say. When you come over and beat the crap out of me with a beer pitcher, I'm going to say that you started it, and that moonbat at the other table is going to say your response was disproportionate -- it was just paperclips.

See how much sympathy that analogy will get you, you jerkwater moonbat journalists.

Great analogy

245 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:02:07am

re: #221 DistantThunder

This is like saying a rapist was harassing his victim.
Rapists rape and terrorist terrorize - not nag.
Disgusting.

Oh, but you think logically...not allowed in them parts. We all know this but I'll repeat it. Girl gets raped by a group. Doesn't have the three other witnesses necessary to testify on her behalf...is found guilty of adultery and subsequently stoned, pull her out of the pit 3 times to see if she is dead, not found dead, family member who finally gets an ounce of lucid thought back jumps in to protect her, gets shot! Religion of PEACE! Hooray for 'doublethink', or in moonbat terms, another day at the office of mental backwards contortions.

*SPIT*

246 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:02:28am

re: #169 faraway

Roland Burris

Roland? Does he still have his head?

247 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:03:12am

Blogojevich (D) is the modern face of politics in America:
Corrupt, above the law, in it for himself, in it for what he can get.

Appalling.

248 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:03:22am

Oh, and another thing.

Every one of those Hamas rockets and mortars - amateurish as the idiots in the media and the terror-sympathizers claim - is fired with the intent to kill and maim.

That's 4,000 this year. Hundreds fired during the hudna.

Every last one was fired with the intent to murder and mutilate Israelis.

Every last one.

That they didn't is a testament to Israel's ability to protect its own, and even there, Israel has failed the people living within range of those rockets. After all, who wants to live under conditions that have now gone on longer than the Blitz?

249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:03:58am

Someone needs to deliver a serious ass kicking to the WaPo

250 stanleymberg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:04:22am

Let's face it, the Jihadists and the crazy Leftists really just want the Israelis to submit or commit suicide by not fighting back. We're all kidding ourselves if we think they have any other "end game" for the Israelis. The Left only likes "victim Jews". Holocaust victims are to be felt sorry for, but Jews who arm themselves are to be despised. This will, sadly, never change.

251 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:04:38am

Roland Burris

He was National Executive Director and Chief Operating Officer for Operation PUSH
252 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:04:39am

The Ethiopian people don't have the 1.5 tons of flour given the Palestinians...PER PERSON, and yet I see a dearth of suicide bombers from among them...

Hmmmm...

253 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:06:06am

Aha, he ran against Daley

In 1995, he ran for mayor of Chicago, losing to incumbent Richard M. Daley.

Sticking his thumb in Daley's eye, maybe?

254 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:06:07am

re: #205 faraway

Blago is sending a message to someone with this pick. (Don't know what it is though)

The guy is 71 years old.
"somebody to keep the seat warm", as I recall.

255 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:06:08am

I'm out. I've got to go to work. I'll be back tonight.

256 J.S.  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:06:23am

YouTomb at MIT features videos which have been taken off YouTube...here's the website featuring IDF footage...

257 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:06:25am

re: #248 lawhawk

Good point about the Blitz.
So if anyone else complains about "disproportionality", we can ask if the Allies were justified in going after the V-1 and V-2 bases, since they weren't targeted (no more than the rockets from Gaza), and did not cause that many casualties (compared with bombers)?
(BTW, each V-2 took the same amount of effort to build as a fighter aircraft, and caused much less damage. The Germans would have been better served to build more fighters instead.)

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:06:40am

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

I'm out. I've got to go to work. I'll be back tonight.

Me too. Y'all keep it Obama, now.

259 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:07:15am

And to answer OR's question, Arabic does distinguish the "L" and "R" sounds -- but when borrowed foreign nouns start with "l," it has sometimes been (mis)taken for the Arabic definite article.

Similarly, in English, "an apron" and "an orange" originally entered our language as naperon (from French) and naranja (from Spanish), but the initial "n" later got split off and attached to our indefinite article "a" -- for reals!

260 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:07:18am

When all is said and done, I don't read these articles because they insult my intelligence, and I loathe that. I loathe paying for it even more.

261 yochanan  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:07:22am

re: #2 Wyatt Earp

WaPo - All the news that's fit to wrap fish.

wipe butt

fixed that for you fish r'good

262 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:07:42am

re: #223 Westward Ho

I too saw that ridiculous headline about Israel rejecting truce and clicked on it thinking that Hamas had offered a truce.

But a 48 hour truce is actively being considered

Operative sentence from that link:

"The IDF issued a statement that it was not recommending a ceasefire. "

Lets hope the IDF is going to bang some 'Defense establishment' heads together.

263 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:07:46am

re: #238 stanleymberg

I am no longer friends with that person & feel a visceral disgust for her.

264 Bubblehead II  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:08:52am

re: #172 faraway

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada previously warned Blagojevich, following the governor's Dec. 9 arrest, that Senate Democrats would not seat any appointment the two-term Democratic governor made. Reid's warning was contained in a letter signed by all 50 sitting Democratic senators, including the No. 2 Democrat in Senate leadership, Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois.

This ought to be fun to watch. The Democrats eating their own.

265 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:09:04am

re: #209 realwest

Why are Israeli videos violating terms of service and Hamas videos aren't?
Cause Israeli videos are made by Jews, that's why.
So Fuck YouTube, too.

From the IDF's Youtube page:

The IDF Spokesperson's Unit is the Israel Defense Forces' professional body responsible for media and public relations in Israel and around the world. This is our new site that will help us bring our message to the world.

We are saddened that YouTube has taken down some of our exclusive footage showing the IDF's operational success in operation Cast Lead against Hamas extremists in the Gaza Strip. As the State of Israel again faces those who would see it destroyed, it is imperative that we in the IDF show the world the inhumanity directed against us and our efforts to stop it. It is also worth noting that one of the videos removed had the highest number of hits (over 10,000) at the time of its removal.

As it stands now we are working on opening up new channels on alternative sites, when we are done we will post the addresses here

266 maddogg  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:09:07am

Don't worry, Obammy gonna fixit. Behold the age of peace, love and prosperity. Behold the glory of The One! Children stop your crying, dogs stop your barking! Bammy gonna make it alright.

/vacuum skulled moonbat

267 The Other Les  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:09:23am

Speaking of a different Charles.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

268 dgd  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:09:57am

I wonder how this Kuttab guy would feel if somebody was "nagging" him and his family with explosive devices every day.

269 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:10:27am

re: #98 looking closely

I suppose to the Palestinians, launching rockets is analagous to an Olympic sport, but this begs the question:

At what point do the rocket launchers go professional?

When they GRADuate, of course.

270 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:10:33am

re: #265 lifeofthemind

As it stands now we are working on opening up new channels on alternative sites, when we are done we will post the addresses here

Hopefully, the beginning of the end for YouTube

271 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:10:54am

re: #262 yma o hyd

Someone posted an article about Israel's deception before the air raids. They sent signals to Hamas that there was no chance of airstikes any time soon then caught them by surprise. I'd guess this talk of a 48 hour truce means that ground forces are going in soon.

272 Dianna  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:11:03am

re: #268 dgd

I wonder how this Kuttab guy would feel if somebody was "nagging" him and his family with explosive devices every day.

He'd feel right at home?

273 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:11:38am

re: #235 lawhawk
Spot on comment and I especially thought this bears underscoring: "And it's past time that the diplomats and the Israelis themselves see this.
[emphasis added, realwest]

274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:11:51am

re: #265 lifeofthemind

Liveleak incoming is my bet

275 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:12:01am

The Confederate Yankee site had a recommendation for [Link: toutomb.mit.edu...] where I did a search on IDF. Did not find the new stuff, found others some OK and most foaming hate.

276 MJ  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:12:02am

Hamas shooting wounded civilians. BBC and CNN do not find it newsworthy:

On Monday, Dr. Ashour was not the only official in charge. Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was internal bloodletting under way.

In the fourth-floor orthopedic section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head.

Mr. Hajoj, like five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the central prison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed the prison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital. But their trials were short-circuited.

A crowd at the hospital showed no mercy after the shooting, which was widely observed. A man in his 30s mocked a woman expressing horror at the scene.

“This horrified you?” he shouted. “A collaborator that caused the death of many innocent and resistance fighters?”

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

277 albusteve  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:12:31am

>

278 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:12:33am

re: #257 Kosh's Shadow

(Germans had run out of fighter pilots by that time ...)

279 albusteve  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:13:05am

re: #277 albusteve

greater than?

280 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:13:09am

re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Liveleak incoming is my bet

Who owns Liveleak? Isn't Youtube owned by Google?

281 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:13:17am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Someone posted an article about Israel's deception before the air raids. They sent signals to Hamas that there was no chance of airstikes any time soon then caught them by surprise. I'd guess this talk of a 48 hour truce means that ground forces are going in soon.

SHHHH!
I was thinking something similar when the radio was reporting about all the tanks outside Gaza, but how there were no immediate plans to send them in.

The only cease-fire should be when there is nothing left to fire at.

282 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:13:17am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Someone posted an article about Israel's deception before the air raids. They sent signals to Hamas that there was no chance of airstikes any time soon then caught them by surprise. I'd guess this talk of a 48 hour truce means that ground forces are going in soon.

Heh ... (-: ... hmmmm ... ya think?

/Godspeed to the IDF, it'll get sticky!

283 mean Gene  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:13:18am

Diane Bhutto, legal eagle for Palestinians says BUT Hamas' rockets don't even have explosive heads!
So it is not fair that Israel targets Gaza back, the victims of all of this.
What a tool!

284 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:13:41am

re: #235 lawhawk


"You're not fighting fair!" is the playground huckster-ism of a fifth grade bully. As long as you get the black eye or bloody nose, everything is right with the world. If you bust his nose, it is unfair, and teacher must step in and separate you. That shit didn't impress me when I was ten. It sure don't impress me now.

I liked the part in the Unforgiven where Eastwood walks into the bar and guns down the unarmed barkeep. When the others whine that he'd just shot an unarmed man, he responds that if he wanted to behave in the manner that he did, he should have armed himself.

I like that. A fair is a place they give ribbons to prize hogs. it has no place in a fight. Martial arts is all about learning how to "cheat" so effectively that you annihilate your opponent before he's able to land his first punch.

Do it well enough, and he'll never whine about how unfair you are. Ever.

285 Hard Right  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:13:50am

re: #252 Oh no...Sand People!

The Ethiopian people don't have the 1.5 tons of flour given the Palestinians...PER PERSON, and yet I see a dearth of suicide bombers from among them...

Hmmmm...

Flour causes suicide bomings!
///

286 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:14:34am

re: #280 lifeofthemind

Who owns Liveleak? Isn't Youtube owned by Google?

Dont know. I do know that when all the other media pulled out on Geert Wilder's video, liveleak stepped up to air it.

287 faraway  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:14:36am

New Channel - YouJuice

288 J.S.  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:14:55am

re: #275 lifeofthemind

I've found this at YouTomb...IDF and lots more (all taken off YouTube but posted at the MIT website.)

289 Earth56  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:14:58am

re: #238 stanleymberg

"I have had a Lefty justify suicide bombing to my face because "they don't have any other weapons."

Yep, that's the one that kills me. It's morally debased on so many levels, it's hard to know how to respond. I tend to just utter a sound of disgust and walk away - why even dignify such an asinine argument?


They used that back in 1967-Six-Day War even when the Israelis wrere outnumbered 450-1.

Any which way that the MSM can turn the Palis into victims serves their sick purpose.

290 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:15:33am

OT: LGF has been nominated for Best Conservative Blog....
2008 Weblog Awards Finalists

Congratulations to conservative lizards.

291 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:15:34am

re: #283 mean Gene

Diane Bhutto, legal eagle for Palestinians says BUT Hamas' rockets don't even have explosive heads!
So it is not fair that Israel targets Gaza back, the victims of all of this.
What a tool!

It's Israel's fault Hamas can't field a more lethal rocket?

292 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:16:01am

re: #287 faraway

New Channel - YouJuice

Post that on the new thread.

293 Westward Ho  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:16:09am

re: #262 yma o hyd

I hope too that the IDF has its way but I saw an Israeli professor on Al Jazeera saying that the Idea was to not overthrow Hamas but change the cost benefit equation to them for firing those rockets.

A ground invasion is the only way to topple Hamas but that is another military and political dimension alltogether.

294 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:16:11am

re: #257 Kosh's Shadow
Well yes and no - fighters do much more damage before they are shot down, but they also require pilots. Ya know Pilots who are willing to put their lives on the line (no, I'm not supporting or justifying the Nazi's, just pinting out a truism about unguided missles/rockets).
That's not the Hamas style.

295 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:16:28am

The only thing I can do in my own sphere is to love my wife, kids, family, and neighbors all the more. Prayers to Israel and whatever TRULY innocent Pali's there might be.

Off to a museum.
Later all.

296 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:16:30am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Someone posted an article about Israel's deception before the air raids. They sent signals to Hamas that there was no chance of airstikes any time soon then caught them by surprise. I'd guess this talk of a 48 hour truce means that ground forces are going in soon.

Yes - especially since the IDF top brass hat has said that there are difficult times ahead.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

297 looking closely  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:16:34am

Stories of "disproportionality" aside, the real fun hasn't even started yet.

Air campaigns are one thing, but if Israel really wants to clean out Gaza (which is presumably the purpose of this "War"), its going to have to do so with boots on the ground.

298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:16:56am

re: #284 Iron Fist

"You're not fighting fair!" is the playground huckster-ism of a fifth grade bully. As long as you get the black eye or bloody nose, everything is right with the world. If you bust his nose, it is unfair, and teacher must step in and separate you. That shit didn't impress me when I was ten. It sure don't impress me now.

I liked the part in the Unforgiven where Eastwood walks into the bar and guns down the unarmed barkeep. When the others whine that he'd just shot an unarmed man, he responds that if he wanted to behave in the manner that he did, he should have armed himself.

I like that. A fair is a place they give ribbons to prize hogs. it has no place in a fight. Martial arts is all about learning how to "cheat" so effectively that you annihilate your opponent before he's able to land his first punch.

Do it well enough, and he'll never whine about how unfair you are. Ever.

Sword of Truth series, the lead character explains the difference between a fight and a war. In a war, if you can sneak into the enemy camp and slit every throat and cave in skulls while they're all asleep, then you do it.

299 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:16:58am

re: #252 Oh no...Sand People!

I've never heard of a Hatian suicide-bomber. And there is no question that the plight of the people in Hati is awful beyond words. Desperation doesn't cause suicide bombers. Islam causes suicide bombers.

300 looking closely  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:17:02am

re: #287 faraway

New Channel - YouJuice

Not "Juicetube"?

301 Irenike  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:18:40am

Speaking of that corrupt Chicago politician (Blago, not the other one), I have a leftist friend who seriously argued with a straight face that it is a greater violation of ethics for a doctor to prescribe a drug that gives him financial renumeration from a pharmeceutical company than it is for Blago to sell a Senate seat.

I am convinced he only says this because it is the Dems doing the buying and selling. They are so superior to everybody else, they can do no wrong -- it is all in the service of the "greater good." If, on the other hand, it were the Republicans selling a Senate seat, well, that would just show how greedy and corrupt those damned Republicans are.

302 mean Gene  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:19:01am

Diane Bhutto was shredded by Greg Garrett at Fox just now.
Apparently she assumed he had never been to Gaza, never talked with Hamas and never saw how rockets were made there, but he had done all three!
And as a result of what he saw with his own eyes he was able to destroy her argument.
He also pointed out the tunnels and ships Hamas uses to try to bring in more lethal rockets with payloads and longer ranges.

303 viciouscircledammit  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:19:15am

Do any LGF'ers actually write to the WaPo about things like this? I know it may seem like speaking to a brick wall, but there are some very articulate people on this site and maybe if a few of us reacted every time some article like this came out, it might actually get through to someone.

304 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:19:18am

re: #290 Killgore Trout
Well as usual they've got it all wrong - again. We are the Best Blog and the Best Community Blog and probably the best Political Blog. And while LGF does have a rightward tilt, it's hardly a "conservative blog".

305 vapig  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:19:39am

re: #114 Ben Hur

I didn't mean Christian, as in "Christian."

If you're white, European, they don't give a shit what you call yourself, or if you think you're a Athiest, Agnostic, whatever.

You are Christian.

You are Crusader.

Sometimes I wish we still had that crusader gene. Then we would really get medieval on their asses!

306 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:19:41am

re: #284 Iron Fist


I like that. A fair is a place they give ribbons to prize hogs. it has no place in a fight. Martial arts is all about learning how to "cheat" so effectively that you annihilate your opponent before he's able to land his first punch.

Do it well enough, and he'll never whine about how unfair you are. Ever.

Upding
"First let's get the rules straight" Butch & Sundance

307 yma o hyd  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:20:58am

re: #293 Westward Ho

I'm inclined to disregard what talking heads, even Israeli ones (amogst whom there are quite a number of LLL) have to say.
The IDF is the one who is doing the talking, with their airplanes and ammo - and the occasional word from the rop brass.

Its a war, for real, not for media pundits to bloviate about.

308 Golem Akbar  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:21:03am

Here's to the Juice!

309 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:21:18am

re: #293 Westward Ho
How did said professor propose to change the cost-benefit equation for them?
My way is simple: Kill 'em until no more rockets fall in Israel.
Of course, I'm not an academic so that may be a little too simple.

310 Motti  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:21:26am

The IDF you tube channel showing video from the Gaza operation is up and running . see " [Link: www.youtube.com...]

311 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:22:14am

re: #310 Motti
Y'all ought to post that on the new thread!

312 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:22:26am

re: #283 mean Gene

Diane Bhutto, legal eagle for Palestinians says BUT Hamas' rockets don't even have explosive heads!
So it is not fair that Israel targets Gaza back, the victims of all of this.
What a tool!

I guess the photographic evidence says otherwise:

[Link: cgis.jpost.com...]

[Link: www.sott.net...]

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

[Link: i.usatoday.net...]

[Link: www.bicom.org.uk...]

313 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:23:05am

The National Association of Rocketry and Tripoli Rocket Association need to go after these guys. These aren't amateur rockets, they a terrorist weapons.

314 Ty85719  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:24:07am

You know, Mr. Kuttab might be correct, except for the little nagging problem of having EVERY FACT COMPLETELY ASS-BACKWARDS

315 So?  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:24:15am

re: #256 J.S.

YouTomb at MIT features videos which have been taken off YouTube...here's the website featuring IDF footage...

Those aren't recent videos. Besides, the point of the whole YouTube channel was that was Israel finally getting into the PR web game that has worked so well for the Islamists & Jihadis. YouTube's reach is far and wide and will be watched by dimwits who know nothing except what the MSM feeds them.

316 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:25:04am

re: #312 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty, don't confuse 'em with the facts for cryin' out loud!
/heavy

317 Westward Ho  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:25:30am

re: #309 realwest


Realwest,

That is what he said in academic speak, he was a grumpy old sod.

318 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:25:50am

Moral midgets don't seem to realize, if the rockets were nothing but stinkbombs, at some point the "amateur" efforts motivate "disproportionate" methods to mitigate.

I'll bet WaPo reporters object when "amateur" cockroaches crawl around their kitchens.

Civilization depends on eliminating any number of "minor" annoyances. Civilization is under attack. It is puerile to complain about the scale involved.

319 yochanan  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:27:08am

back when reporters told the truth
edward r. marrow on buckenwald

[Link: search.yahoo.com...]

320 uncc_compman  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:27:28am

OT:

Not sure if this has been posted on not.

Blagojevich to name Roland Burris to Obama's Senate seat.

321 yochanan  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:27:56am
322 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:28:16am

re: #317 Westward Ho
Yeah, well I reckon I'm a grumpy old sod too, then.

323 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:29:33am

re: #284 Iron Fist

"You're not fighting fair!" is the playground huckster-ism of a fifth grade bully. As long as you get the black eye or bloody nose, everything is right with the world. If you bust his nose, it is unfair, and teacher must step in and separate you. That shit didn't impress me when I was ten. It sure don't impress me now.

I liked the part in the Unforgiven where Eastwood walks into the bar and guns down the unarmed barkeep. When the others whine that he'd just shot an unarmed man, he responds that if he wanted to behave in the manner that he did, he should have armed himself.

I like that. A fair is a place they give ribbons to prize hogs. it has no place in a fight. Martial arts is all about learning how to "cheat" so effectively that you annihilate your opponent before he's able to land his first punch.

Do it well enough, and he'll never whine about how unfair you are. Ever.

the problem w/ the 'fair fight' b.s. is that it is often invoked when the party losing, wants to squall that instead of saying uncle.
they just want another chance.
they want some pity from you and then the opportunity to gather their strength and fight again.
why give this advantage to an enemy who wants you dead.
if the tables were turned and hamas somehow got the upper hand they wouldn't even consider being fair.
they would crush israel ruthlessly and completely.
look how these terrorists are celebrated by their hideous culture when they bash in a child's head w/ the butt of a rifle.
and that is fair fight for them. any murder they commit is fair.
monsters like this need to be confronted.
israel needs to put them down for the count.

324 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:30:35am

re: #319 yochanan
Thanks for that one and for #321.
It's hard to comprehend, today, that there once was a thing called "journalism" which meant reporting the facts without interjecting one's own political point of view.

325 Bobibutu  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:31:26am

re: #304 realwest

Well as usual they've got it all wrong - again. We are the Best Blog and the Best Community Blog and probably the best Political Blog. And while LGF does have a rightward tilt, it's hardly a "conservative blog".

Amen brother.

326 Westward Ho  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:31:48am

re: #322 realwest


No body would call you grumpy Realwest after sampling your posts.. cheers and a happy new year to you and all lizards and their loved ones.
I have to log out.

327 Amer-I-Can  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:32:04am

re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone needs to deliver a serious ass kicking to the WaPo

That's already happening, have you seen their subscription numbers lately? They will be going the way of the NY Times, three papers a week.

328 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:32:30am

re: #323 nyc redneck
Upding on that one. But I'd like to suggest one little change to something you wrote there:
"monsters like this need to be confronted killed."
I think that's a tad more accurate, no?

329 So?  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:33:00am

No response by Israeli seems to be the only "acceptable" response. Israel should become Hamas' penny arcade where terrorist thugs throw rockets at Israeli citizens and try to knock them down.

330 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:33:41am

re: #325 Bobibutu
Thank you.

331 DisturbedEma  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:34:00am

The path to articles like this is littered with the unmourned, unremarked Israeli Jews, I mean Juice. . .

Really- once the greater public relaized just how horrific human bombs were, when US men and women were killed as well as those they were trying to protect in Iraq- notice how few, if any have occured in Israel. . .

Now that MSM have gotten dear leader elected, they can now go back to demonizing Israeli "targets". . .and watch as the mentality of "disproportion" takes hold. . .and ever the astute watcher of polls. . .dear leader will turn on the Jews stupid enough to believe he supported Israel's very life. . .

332 realwest  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:34:20am

re: #326 Westward Ho
Thanks and a Happy New Year to you and yours!

333 yochanan  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:38:13am

moonbats in the media

334 ArmyWife  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:40:51am

From the comments:

Muslims has always treated Jews with kindness despite the historical religious disagreements, as a prove, talk to the Jews living in the Muslim countries, like Morocco, Tunis, Egypt, despite the boiling tensions, Muslim have never harmed the Jews living amongst them.

I let you think about it.

huh?

335 jmaimarc  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:41:31am

My comments on the site:

Thanks for this op-ed piece, WaPo! It really clearly illustrates why your paper's net worth has dropped over 50% in the last year.

Keep it up and I'll be sure to buy your last published issue as a memento for my grandchildren. "See this, kids? This is what failure looks like!"

Fishwrap.

336 J.S.  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:47:44am

re: #315 So?

I agree. The whole point was for obtaining a wider audience (and to counter the MSM's vile level of reportage). In the meantime, though, the deleted/censored videos could be noted/seen (at least until some alternative site is found). (I'd also note that the YouTube "censorship" is actually far more vile than "censorship" as such -- some videos are truly obscene and deserve to be taken down, imo -- in Canada they'd be classified as "hate" videos -- but the IDF videos are not in this category, yet the friends of terrorists, of course, wish to claim that they are, etc.).

337 eon  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:50:38am

re: #294 realwest

Well yes and no - fighters do much more damage before they are shot down, but they also require pilots. Ya know Pilots who are willing to put their lives on the line (no, I'm not supporting or justifying the Nazi's, just pinting out a truism about unguided missles/rockets).
That's not the Hamas style.

Also, on the subject of the V-1 and V-2, they were built because of der Fuhrer's obsession with destroying London. This also caused the Me-262 to be delayed over a year, because he insisted it be modified as a high-speed bomber, not for tactical support, but to attack- you guessed it- London. On the other side of the ledger, a V-1 or V-2 carried about one ton of HE (usually Amatol), which was about the effective throw weight of an He-111 or Ju-88 during a night raid over London, the difference being that you didn't have to have an aircrew for either of the two guided missiles. or worry about replacing them when they ended up dead or in a POW camp in Canada.

The most (strategically) effective use of the V1 and V-2 was when over 2,400 (total) of both were fired into Antwerp, Belgium, to cripple its use as an invasion support port. And it very nearly worked, causing over 4,000 KIAs among Allied personnel. (Source; The Hill Report, 1946.)

The moral being that if all you care about is inflicting random death and destruction, and don't care whether you actually hit a "strategic" point target or not, even an inaccurate weapon system (like the V-2 and the "buzz bomb") are good enough. Just like unguided rockets fired from Gaza into Israel.

cheers

eon

338 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:51:10am

mean gene,

Diane Bhutto was shredded by Greg Garrett at Fox just now.
Apparently she assumed he had never been to Gaza, never talked with Hamas and never saw how rockets were made there, but he had done all three!
And as a result of what he saw with his own eyes he was able to destroy her argument.
He also pointed out the tunnels and ships Hamas uses to try to bring in more lethal rockets with payloads and longer ranges.

That was a beautiful eviscersation by Greg Garrett. My favorite part her jawdropping comment that the Gazan rockets didn't have warheads on them. Fortunately Greg didn't let her get away with that. However he could've pointed out that, even if the rockets didn't have warheads on them, they are lethal all the same and that firing hundreds of them (along with mortars) constitutes an act of war.

339 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 10:55:17am

re: #290 Killgore Trout

OT: LGF has been nominated for Best Conservative Blog....
2008 Weblog Awards Finalists

Congratulations to conservative lizards.


Bad astronomy blog was nominated! Congrads Phil!

340 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 11:00:39am

re: #193 So?

He's holding a nine iron now...he's busy.

He's such a crappy athlete.

341 AuntAcid  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 11:03:22am

re: #259 Throbert McGee

Thanks! You are "bookmarked".

342 AuntAcid  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 11:07:26am

"... the Gazan rockets didn't have warheads on them..."

Gaza rockets got peaceheads.

343 Jamfish  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 11:20:47am

Headline has been changed ("Israel Presses on With Gaza Strikes").

However, the original headline is still in Google cache.

Nice try, Washington comPost

344 Miss Molly  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 11:42:45am

Which one of the 3000 plus rockets launched into Israel were the "nagging rockets"? If Hamas could explain maybe all this could be worked out.

345 SpiritOf1683  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 11:57:41am

If these missiles were dropping on Washington DC, would the Washington Post describe it as 'Amateur' Rockets 'Nagging' Washington? Somehow, I doubt it.

346 mean Gene  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 11:59:00am

Who once said that Gaza's rockets were simply like little firecrackers going off during a celebration?
Nothing to get all ''up in arms'' about.

347 jayzee  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 12:10:07pm

Anti semites

348 Smilla  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 12:12:31pm

re: #298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All's fair in love and war - and this is war.

349 hazzyday  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 12:14:45pm

I guess getting stabbed at the Post Office with a knife would just be an amateur attempt at murder.

We had an atrocious news report on late night ABC last night about how shocking it is to see the might of Israel applied against the poor weak palestinians. And that the US is the only supporter of Israel and we as viewers should make the correct informed choices. It was pure propoganda by ABC

350 MikeyHunt  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 12:34:05pm

After trying to leave a comment at the WaPo on this story, the comments go into perpetual 'loading'

hmmmm ...Wonder why?

351 mean Gene  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 12:37:29pm

Related to the idea of ''amateur'' weapons is this article about ''The World's Deadliest Conventional Weapons."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

They list five.

The AC-130 aerial gunship
The 'bunker buster' bomb
Laser-guided bombs
The .50-caliber sniper rifle
Anti-personnel mines

352 madisonsfriend  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 12:37:49pm

e
re: #334 ArmyWife
Jews were forced to leave Egypt with no more than $200 for each family- no matter how wealthy they had been- 500,000 Jews were forced out of Arab countries after the creation of the State of Israel , their possessions and money taken by the govt.

353 J. Lichty  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 12:44:02pm

unfortunately, the Jerusalem Post also fouls its pages with Kuttab's rantings from an alternate universe.

While it is not surprising, the WaPo really seems to be the dishonest reporting leader this round. NYT and LAT I am sure are working hard to bridge the gap, but they have a long ways to go to catch up.

354 gop_patriot  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 12:53:51pm

Someone's probably already mentioned this, but the article in the update, above

UPDATE at 12/30/08 9:44:34 am:

Another ludicrous and completely false headline at the Post: Israel Rejects Truce, Presses on With Gaza Strikes.

has been edited to say:

Israel Presses on With Gaza Strikes

Changed it when they got caught, I suppose.

355 hans ze beeman  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 1:06:47pm

Merkel Blasts Hamas for Middle East Violence

Domestically, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has often been criticized for trimming her positions to take advantage of whichever direction the political wind might be blowing. On Monday, though, she was very clear about where the blame should lie for the renewed Palestinian-Israeli violence in the Middle East.

She appears to be the most pro-Israel European leader these days. Nice!

356 transient  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 1:52:52pm

So let me get this straight: when Hamas fires rockets on Israeli children, it's a "nuisance," but when Israel fires targeted missiles on Hamas terrorists, their weapons, and their infrastructure, it's a war crime?

/I don't speak Double Standard.

357 Flavia  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 2:36:41pm

Luckily, all the comments to the article seem to be sane.
Or is it you guys going over & TCB? :-)

358 ReneeJoy  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 2:42:17pm

I got this from the Israel Presses on With Gaza Strikes article:

Earlier in the day, Isreali officials gave no indication that they were considering a truce.


Note the spelling of Israeli. I wonder how much else in the article is correct. I'm guess not that much.

359 Rodent  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 3:42:42pm
"There’s some bad craziness going on at the Washington Post."

That's in the running for understatement of '08, Charles...

360 David Block  Tue, Dec 30, 2008 8:08:52pm

Well, duh, this IS the Washington Compost you're talking about after all.

I mean, come on now. You were expecting accuracy? Surely not.

361 Perplexed  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 8:42:05am

Hey, a 10,000 yr old flint knife can make you as dead as any modern weapon. So can a so called Katusha rocket built in a machine shop by 'amateur' rocket scientists. Dead is dead regardless who built and fired the weapon.

362 Jimbo1970  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:27:44am

So I'm guessing the "amateur rocketeers" were merely seeking their Level 3 certification for their "Hobby".


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