Change! Hope!

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It's sad that people like this insist on waxing poetic about things they don't have a clue about. It is in the Hamas charter that they do NOT negotiate. Period. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

That is the challenge for the new administration assholes in Washington and for its European allies bitches.

WAFI

Maybe they could sit down and bore each other to death.

I got 4000+ reasons why William Sieghart is a brain dead fellow traveler and terrorist ass kisser.

So letting Hamas kill the 1000 top Jooos will solve everything?

Finish the job, IDF!

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WAFI

What A Fucking Imbecile?

Oh Mr. William Sieghart, I have something for you.
ShudUp

"without preconditions"

Where have we heard that before?

/ "Bringing no weapons is a precondition! We must have our beheading implements ceremonial swords or our honor will be violated!"

Please, someone try to convince me that the far left is not clinically insane.

re: #8 Abu Bin Squid

So letting Hamas kill the 1000 top Jooos will solve everything?

Finish the job, IDF!

DEATH TO ALL JUICE!

these two groups sit down together without preconditions

Now where have I heard that one before?

re: #13 formercorpsman

Please, someone try to convince me that the far left is not clinically insane.

Ahhh, ummm, errr, mmm, ...
Sorry, no can do.

I'd like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company...

Yes, everyone just sit down at the table.

Let's ignore the Hamas charter that calls for genocide and the annihilation of Israel. Hamas doesn't want a two-state solution. It wants to eliminate Israel.

That's the only proposal that the terror scum will find acceptable.

Israel defends itself from genocidal terrorists, and they're the ones that have to put down their weapons and make concessions in the name of peace.

What the frack?

Seriously, how about demanding Hamas make humanitarian gestures. Okay who am I kidding - everyone including these useful idiots know that Hamas and the other terrorists are incapable of ever engaging in humanitarian gestures. Period. They simply heap scorn and derision on Israel for existing and not doing enough to placate genocidal terrorists.

As such, they too support the terrorists.

Why shouldn't he be writing this crap? People pay him for it.

/look at the Editors, dammit

Well Bill, I suppose Hamas isn't any worse than the IRA when they were murdering people in London with car bombs. Wouldn't you agree?

Keep your eyes open for William Sieghart's new book, Everything I Know About Dealing With Genocidal Terrorists I Learned In Kindergarten.

Maybe they can all meet in a tunnel.

Come on Gabi knock over the sewage pool in Gaza! A little hip check should do it!

re: #13 formercorpsman

Please, someone try to convince me that the far left is not clinically insane.

But... they are clinically insane!

I would offer my solution, however I fear I would be deleted and banned.

Besides being a gang of psychopathic, antisemitic, Nazi worshiping, sexist, homophobic, racist, murderous, child killing, hostage taking, lying, thieving jihadists whose goal is to set up an Islamic dictatorship in the middle east I guess Hamas isn't all that bad.

I'm just shocked. Absolutely flabbergasted.

The Times of London is still in print?

It is said that this conflict is impossible to solve. In fact, it is very simple. The top 1,000 people who run Israel - the politicians, generals and security staff - and the top Palestinian Islamists have never met. Genuine peace will require that these two groups sit down together without preconditions. But the events of the past few days seem to have made this more unlikely than ever.

Gosh darn - if only he'd thought of this a few days earlier the world could have been saved. So simple!

re: #16 jcm
just watch mathews,olberass.

re: #13 formercorpsman

Please, someone try to convince me that the far left is not clinically insane.

Their females make nice banging bags. Still insane though.

With preconditions ...um, where have I heard that before ...

Leftie asshat moderators at the Tomes still haven't published my comment - nor have they published any new comments in the last six, seven hours ...

Cowards.

re: #9 VegasRick

What A Fucking Imbecile?

I was thinking idiot, but that works too.

re: #14 jcm

I nearly wet myself when I first saw that. Jihadis kan't spel.

re: #15 Occasional Reader

Now where have I heard that one before?

I like : going to sit down without preconditions, what, not even a metal detector at the door?

re: #29 killerjoe

just watch mathews,olberass.

I value my sanity too much...

Obviously he's a graduate from the Barney and Friends School of Foreign Relations.

Let their leaders just sit down and talk it out.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Let the Holy Lord Obama President of the World help them achieve everlasting peace.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

re: #25 MrSilverDragon

I would offer my solution, however I fear I would be deleted and banned.

You're not the only one.

re: #35 Abu Bin Squid

I nearly wet myself when I first saw that. Jihadis kan't spel.

I hope he was a plant...
Just to embarrass them. But somehow I don't think so.

This author and this article ranks in the top 10 stupidest journalistic piece of 2008.

Sieghart, your ignorance of islam will be your civilizations downfall and you have been a part of that downfall. What is it going to take to get you idiots to see that islam is only interested in speading their religious cancer.

Articles like this one prove to me that PETRODOLLARS can buy just about anything and anybody.

re: #31 JacksonTn

With preconditions ...um, where have I heard that before ...

PIMF ...

Without preconditions ...um, where have I heard that before ...

Genuine peace will require that these two groups sit down together without preconditions.

Nevermind the Hamas Charter.

/I think I'm going to coin a phrase and just start calling these naive morons "unicorn people"

Anyone ready for a second pro-Hamas "article"?

This editorial today in my local paper by syndicated columnist Froma Harrop contains this gem (among many others):

But peace and occupation cannot co-exist for long. A political solution must give Palestinians full control of their space and an approximate return to the borders before the 1967 war. That ultimately has to be the deal, and the violent confrontation in Gaza changes none of it.

*spit*

I don't know if this guy could be more naive:

Most of its leadership have been educated in our universities and harbour no ideological hatred towards the West.

Because it's not like mosques in the west don't have hate preachers.

I have to say I like the idea talks between the leadership of Hamas and the Israelis, especially if those Israelis are the IDF and they let they're rifles do all the talking.

re: #32 yma o hyd

Leftie asshat moderators at the Tomes still haven't published my comment - nor have they published any new comments in the last six, seven hours ...

Cowards.

PIMF.
Its the TIMES.
I'm just tad cross ...

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Plant on premises?

Well, the intelligence of a geranium, anyway.

ROFL!

What's so bad about Hamas? Hmm.

Maybe the fact that they use humanitarian supplies, intended to go to the people of Gaza, and use those supplies to create rockets to fire randomly into Israel to kill any man, woman, or child that finds himself or herself in its path.

Maybe the fact that Hamas enters ceasefires it has no intentions of honouring.

Maybe the fact that Hamas is intentionally worsening the situation of Gaza for its on purposes -- and maybe the fact that Hamas are a group of lying, murderous, traitorous terrorist scum, and an organization that does not deserve to exist at all.

William Sieghart.

An appropriate name.

The actual headline of the Times story is

We must adjust our distorted image of Hamas

... so ...

We must adjust our distorted image of Hitler
We must adjust our distorted image of Pol Pot

We MUST. Because ... uh ... because I said so.

re: #39 Chicken Kiev
Hey watch it buddie. Never spell the "ONE" that way. Just kneel and genuflex) spell check, anyone seen my speeelll check?

There is only one reasonable thing to do if you have 1000 of Hamas's top officials in one place.

53 Me,

Apparently, I was wrong. I thought the word "sieg" meant something else. But, it means victory.

So, it is an innappropriate name.

The Writer actually has it sorta right. Top Israeli Commanders SHOULD meet with their Palestinian Counterparts. Much as Gens. Eisenhower and MacArthur met with their opposite numbers. What he left out was a small concept called SURRENDER.

-S-

...and if the lions just sit down and talk to the hyenas, everything will work out just peachy.

William Sieghart... whatta maroon.

In the five years that I have been visiting Gaza and the West Bank, I have met hundreds of Hamas politicians and supporters. None of them has professed the goal of Islamising Palestinian society, Taleban-style

Next up: "We must adjust our distorted image of the Taleban"

Why, many of the Taleban leaders like to, um, play Frisbee, n' stuff.

re: #18 lawhawk

Even the Guardian has begun to admit this unavoidable fact in it's assessment of the situation.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

It is not just Israel that does not talk to Hamas. The EU and US also refuse contact.

That is because Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Its founding charter claims the Holy Land exclusively for Islam and calls for the complete annihilation of Israel. For all that the international community might wish for Israeli restraint, no government in the world would tolerate an enclave on its border run by an organisation ideologically motivated and heavily armed to kill its citizens.

(They still arrive at the wrong conclusion of course, but it's an improvement on the naive idiocy of this guy in the Times)

I'm truly ashamed for this:
UK's FreedomCall informs Israeli company of decision via email, blames Gaza operation

I hope other firms have taken up the slack - and are going to run this disgusting lot out of business!

William Siegheil obviously doesn't have to spend a quarter of each day hunkered down in a bomb shelter with rockets screaming around his pus-filled head.

Friggin moonbat.

Again, this is why I am beginning to lose hope for the future of western civilization.

It is obvious people like this have spent time in school, allowed the tax payers to fund their educations, and still they know nothing.

What he is proposing was already attempted by way of Oslo, only to be undermined by the very group he suggests the Israelis should sit down with.

I think I'll have the Samah, well done.

OMFG.

Look at what Fisk is writing today.

Boiled down - Hamas is wasting resources fighting Israel because they aren't as good at killing Jews as Hizballah. And Israel is wasting resources because they are incompetent at fighting in cities.

So Fisk sees a tragedy because Hamas cannot liquidate Jews efficiently and thus contributes to suffering in Gaza.

During the second Palestinian "intifada", I was sitting in the offices of Hizbollah's Al-Manar television station in Beirut, watching news footage of a militiaman's funeral in Gaza. The television showed hordes of Hamas and PLO gunmen firing thousands of rounds of ammunition into the air to honour their latest "martyr"; and I noticed, just next to me, a Lebanese Hizbollah member – who had taken part in many attacks against the Israelis in what had been Israel's occupation zone in southern Lebanon – shaking his head.

What was he thinking, I asked? "Hamas try to stand up to the Israelis," he replied. "But..." And here he cast his eyes to the ceiling. "They waste bullets. They fire all these bullets into the sky. They should use them to shoot at Israelis."

His point, of course, was that Hamas lacked discipline, the kind of iron, ruthless discipline and security that Hizbollah forged in Lebanon and which the Israeli army was at last forced to acknowledge in southern Lebanon in 2006. Guns are weapons, not playthings for funerals. And Gaza is not southern Lebanon. It would be as well for both sides in this latest bloodbath in Gaza to remember this. Hamas is not Hizbollah. Jerusalem is not Beirut. And Israeli soldiers cannot take revenge for their 2006 defeat in Lebanon by attacking Hamas in Gaza – not even to help Ms Livni in the Israeli elections.

Not that Hizbollah won the "divine victory" it claimed two years ago. Driving the roads of southern Lebanon as the Israelis smashed the country's infrastructure, killed more than a thousand Lebanese – almost all of them civilians – and razed dozens of villages, it didn't feel like a Hizbollah "victory" to me, theological or otherwise. But the Israelis didn't win and the Hizbollah were able to deploy thousands of long-range rockets as well as a missile which set an Israeli warship on fire and almost sank it. Hamas have nothing to match that kind of armoury.

Nor do they have the self-discipline to fight like an army. Hizbollah in Lebanon has managed to purge its region of informers. Hamas – like all the other Palestinian outfits – is infected with spies, some working for the Palestinian Authority, others for the Israelis. Israel has successively murdered one Hamas leader after another – "targeted killing", of course, is their polite phrase – and they couldn't do that without, as the police would say, "inside help". Hizbollah's previous secretary general, Sayed Abbas Moussawi, was assassinated near Jibchit by a missile-firing Israeli helicopter more than a decade ago but the movement hasn't suffered a leader's murder in Lebanon since then. In the 34-day war of 2006, Hizbollah lost about 200 of its men. Hamas lost almost that many in the first day of Israel's air attacks in Gaza – which doesn't say much for Hamas' military precautions.

As if hamas has preconditions other than inhalation Israel... I'm sure at that point they would be happy to sit down and have a nice chat...

This beauty from the article:

Further, 45 Hamas MPs are still being held in Israeli jails.

For jaywalking, no doubt. Maybe Israel could let them free to join the fight? Save 3 squares a day X 45.

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Next up: "We must adjust our distorted image of the Taleban"

Why, many of the Taleban leaders like to, um, play Frisbee, n' stuff.

Don't like the truth? Then delude yourself! Why- it's practically harmless.

Sieghart, you are an idiot.

Sieghart for Fiskie!

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

Boy, you are not off the mark there.

If only the Brits had elected the British Union of Fascists to office instead of Churchill on the eve of WWII, they could have sat down with Hitler and avoided war entirely.

It's all so simple. ;-)

re: #58 Dr. Shalit

The Writer actually has it sorta right. Top Israeli Commanders SHOULD meet with their Palestinian Counterparts. Much as Gens. Eisenhower and MacArthur met with their opposite numbers. What he left out was a small concept called SURRENDER.

-S-

Nice one, Dr Shalit!

I likes it!

Their asses must be sore from all the sitting down they've done since '48

No preconditions?
Hamas gives up their charter full of pre-conditions? And they say so out loud?
Let's see that happen, and we'll have a meeting.
Bwahahahahahaha

Genuine peace will require that these two groups sit down together without preconditions.

He means they should sit and schmooze. Oh yeah baby!

"Can't they all...just get along?"

What a moron.

A Meet-and-Greet? Is he for real?

re: #66 karmic_inquisitor

Fisk is a waste of resources.

It's the same kind of logic that would dictate that the top 1000 leaders of the Third Reich and the top 1000 leaders of the Jewish community should have just sat down, without preconditions, and then a genuine peace would have been in the making.

Absolute fucking idiocy.

Maybe we can convince Hamas that this guy is an enemy of Islam so that they can use their nice new Sharia to nail him to a cross. I doubt he is even aware of the fact that they instituted that stuff. I do feel sorry for the Christians in Gaza though. I suspect there are about a half dozen left.

re: #1 CynicalConservative

Change! Hope!

/

Change! Hope! Yup, I hope I got enough change to do my laundry...

The top 1,000 people who run Israel - the politicians, generals and security staff - and the top Palestinian Islamists have never met.

William Sieghart, What color is the sky on your little planet?

re: #78 MandyManners

A Meet-and-Greet? Is he for real?

What does your dryer say?

I just have one question for Mr. Seighart.

Hamas will want to serve up Juice.

re: #85 Sharmuta

What does your dryer say?

It has the warm-and-fuzzies.

If they gave Nobel Prize for clueless credulous idiocy, this man would win EVERY SINGLE YEAR!

This guy just doesn't get Islam, does he?

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

Indeed.

Perhaps I will imbibe tonight.

There's no solution? Ahem, try not lobbing rockets into Israel and see what happens. Try not voting for and supporting terrorists and terrorist activities for a change (there's that creepy word again - Oy!). Try living in peace with your neighbors and see how many solutions come about .. can anybody besides me say "the palis don't want peace"?

re: #88 MandyManners

It has the warm-and-fuzzies.

"Fluff the magic dryer lived by the sea..."

I don't think that anyone has the right to tell Israel to stop fighting. They have the right to defend their country.

How anyone could make excuses for a terrorist group is beyond me. I also notice that so many articles conveniently forget to mention that the border crossings are closed because if left open the suicide bombers would have a field day.

I notice that the apologists for Hamas also forget suicide bombers, the destroyed greenhouses, the failed sewer plants, using their own people as human shields and crying when these people are killed, etc. I can only hope that Israel is willing to finish this fight.

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is only one reasonable thing to do if you have 1000 of Hamas's top officials in one place.

In a tunnel use this...

re: #94 Dustyvet

"Fluff the magic dryer lived by the sea..."

And wrung out all the wah-ater in the clothes of Man-an-dy!

So, um, we are only going to list one egregiously pro-terrorist article a day. as opposed to say, one every hour?

Well, at least there will be fierce competition for that title for the forseable future.

Jeez, I hope Isreal doesn't wimp out again.

Genuine peace will require that these two groups sit down together without preconditions.

There's only one man for that job... With that in mind, I hope the Israelis keep kicking hamas' ass until inauguration day.

I have followed, as best I can, all of the political punditry and editorials and Op-Ed's that were available on-line. And that includes a lot of the "reporting" of events now unfolding. But I never have seen anything quite so stupid as this.
William Sieghart says

Six months ago the Israeli Government agreed to an Egyptian- brokered ceasefire with Hamas. In return for a ceasefire, Israel agreed to open the crossing points and allow a free flow of essential supplies in and out of Gaza. The rocket barrages ended but the crossings never fully opened, and the people of Gaza began to starve.

And what I'd like to ask him is this: if Hamas wasn't firing those rocket barrages and mortar attacks on Israel, who the hell was? There was no SIX MONTH period of no attacks on Israel.
And, yet again, we get this "sit down and talk without preconditions" bullshit. Has he ever read Hamas' charter? Has he ever asked Hamas to publicly and in writing, renounce their calls for the destruction of the State of Israel? No. And I suspect he hasn't because he knows what Hamas' answer would be.
As I said, this is fairly close to the most stupid opinion column anyone has written to date about this war.

re: #88 MandyManners

It has the warm-and-fuzzies.

Your dryer is in heat.

Ahh, 2008, what a year.

Can I trade in Sieghart and get Harvey Korman and George Carlin back?

If seething death-cult nazi barbarians were launching missiles at William Sieghart's house - would he want to sit down and have a chat?

In the words of the great Rodney King..."Can't we all just get-along ?"

LMAO-it always amuses me when 'pundits' postulate about how to deal with people who refuse to be reasoned with. Daniel Pearl found out.

The top 1,000 people who run Israel - the politicians, generals and security staff - and the top Palestinian Islamists have never met.

Well, yeah. But let's not be snobs. The bottom are meeting (right now.) How' s that working out, Sieghart?

Sit and Talk and sit and talk with NO preconditions...
Haven't we heard this approach before...
Kinda sounds like he, Obama and El Baradai all went to the same schoos of misuse of logic.

re: #65 formercorpsman

Look, he's Bwitish. All the people with brains left Bwitain long ago or are looking for their tickets out on the next plane. The net export of professionals is running around 1/3 million a year if I remember my numbers correctly. I sure wouldn't want to live there. Best thing that happened to me was that my Dad's parents got on the boat around 1880 and got out via Canada to the states. [No, that is not a typo.]

Well y'all I gotta go eat some lunch. I hope to get the chance to see you all down the road, but if I don't I do wish all of you a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year!

The top 1,000 people who run Israel - the politicians, generals and security staff - and the top Palestinian Islamists have never met. Genuine peace will require that these two groups sit down together without preconditions.

Sounds like the new liberal D.C. thought process.

Let's see. Paleo-Nazi's want to exterminate the Jew (see Hamas charter). Jews don't want to be exterminated. I really don't see how a sit and chat is going to arrive at a middle ground.

Even if Israel allows the Palestinians to kill 50% of the Jews, the Hamas crowd will not be happy yet (see Poland, circa 1944).

If I were the DJ...

re: #107 notutopia

Sit and Talk and sit and talk with NO preconditions...
Haven't we heard this approach before...
Kinda sounds like he, Obama and El Baradai all went to the same schoos of misuse of logic.

Would you like some more tea?

re: #109 realwest

Well y'all I gotta go eat some lunch. I hope to get the chance to see you all down the road, but if I don't I do wish all of you a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year!

Happy and Prosperous to you too!

re: #95 HippieforLife

How anyone could make excuses for a terrorist group is beyond me.

I have a few theories.
1) They're antisemites
2) They're incredibly stupid.
3) They're incredibly naive.
4) They're terrified.

Which one Seighart is I don't know.

re: #101 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Your dryer is in heat.

Big Dryers are ripping us off!

re: #3 dachew

It's sad that people like this insist on waxing poetic about things they don't have a clue about. It is in the Hamas charter that they do NOT negotiate. Period. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

The entire idea of negotiation is simple- compromise: You give this, and we'll give this. The problem is, it is impossible to negotiate with people who do not put value on anything, not even their own life, or the life of their friends, or the life of their family. It's impossible to negotiate with people like this. They might sign a treaty, but the only thing you're doing is wasting perfectly good paper and ink.

I don't think people like the one writing this article will ever realize this.

sieghart is like obama. he thinks by the sheer will of his 'good intentions' he can work miracles.
he knows nothing abt. islam or hamas.

here's an edict from the koran:
"KILL those who join w/ other gods wherever ye shall find them; seize them and besiege them, and lay in wait for them w/ every kind of ambush. . ." koran, surah 9:0-10.

the top 1000 hamas thugs will show up concealed w/ knives.

William Sieghart is just Rachel Corrie in drag.

re: #14 jcm

DEATH TO ALL JUICE!

So they don't like O.J. Simpson either!

My solution to Sieghart's incredibly naive position?

Reading Dershowitz and Totten.

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

I never meant to imply that they were mutually exclusive.
Number 2 is a prereq for number 1 after all.

re: #113 notutopia

Would you like some more tea?

DIE YOU ZIONIST PIG!

re: #115 paradox42

I have a few theories.
1) They're antisemites
2) They're incredibly stupid.
3) They're incredibly naive.
4) They're terrified.

Which one Seighart is I don't know.

He's 1) - 4)
Incredibly stupid and naive people don't get terrified.

re: #116 HoosierHoops

Big Dryers are ripping us off!

I'm not grasping the spin you put on that.

re: #115 paradox42

I have a few theories.
1) They're antisemites
2) They're incredibly stupid.
3) They're incredibly naive.
4) They're terrified.

Which one Seighart is I don't know.

5.) All of the above

(or at least a mix of some!)

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat Thank you very much - you have NO IDEA of how long it took me to write my #100 - just didn't want to say anything that would get deleted, including me!
Oh, and btw, I'll take Healthy New Year - that will ensure a Happy one!

So he thinks that if they just sit down and talk, everything will be OK?

Just like the movie The Road Warrior?

"He's a reasonable man!"

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re: #115 paradox42

I have a few theories.
1) They're antisemites
2) They're incredibly stupid.
3) They're incredibly naive.
4) They're terrified.

Which one Seighart is I don't know.

you forgot 5) ALL OF THE ABOVE

The top 1,000 people who run Israel - the politicians, generals and security staff - and the top Palestinian Islamists have never met.

Wait just a sec, didn't they meet? Over and over? Wasn't Arafish the top guy?
Wasn't he offered everything? And, how did that work out, Siegy?

re: #112 MandyManners

'Most of [Hamas'] leadership have been educated in our universities and harbour no ideological hatred towards the West.
...
It has consistently offered a ten-year ceasefire to give breathing space to resolve a conflict that has continued for more than 60 years.'
// Wm. Sieghart

. Fool.

re: #22 karmic_inquisitor

Maybe they can all meet in a tunnel.

And be sure to tell the IAF which tunnel.

it's pretty clear to me that england is toast, they will go one beyond surrendering and covert to islam on mass.

re: #128 realwest

Thank you very much - you have NO IDEA of how long it took me to write my #100 - just didn't want to say anything that would get deleted, including me!
Oh, and btw, I'll take Healthy New Year - that will ensure a Happy one!

A very VERY healthy new year to you, sir!

re: #126 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm not grasping the spin you put on that.

It's how I launder puns

re: #130 WriterMom

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re: #118 nyc redneck

...'good intentions' ...

He's just repaving the road to Hell. It's his way of making a difference.

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Plant on premises?

Well, the intelligence of a geranium, anyway.

Don't insult geraniums.

Not surprised at all.

The Palestinian people elected Hamas as their government. That says everything you need to know about them.

More bad news...

The American people elected the most inexperienced person ever to be the leader of the free world. He has not even taken office yet and already he is looking at the most corrupt presidency ever.

"In fact, it is very simple. The top 1,000 people who run Israel - the politicians, generals and security staff - and the top Palestinian Islamists have never met. Genuine peace will require that these two groups sit down together without preconditions."

Beyond the absurdity of "the top 1,000 people," and then what, bud? A rousing chorus of Kumbaya will break out?

re: #100 realwest

As I said, this is fairly close to the most stupid opinion column anyone has written to date about this war.

This may just be the stupidest opinion column anyone has written in the whole of human history.

Charles, I nominate this guy for Idiotarian of the Year.

William Sieghart, like so many other elitist intelligencia ilk (Obama) simply cannot extract themselves from the cushioned halls of academia and have theorized themselves into imbecility. They wrongly presume civility in all people and then live in denial when reality consistently contradicts them. They ignore the tennants of the Koran that legitimize intolerance and martyrdom, because they believe that all human motivation can somehow be influenced through political and economic means.

re: #108 Shr_Nfr

When you really boil his assertion down, it is no different than him insisting like Buchanan did, that somehow Chamberlain's approach could have worked. Somehow, it is our fault by not working more with people who dip their fingers in the blood of dead innocents, or jump for joy at the images of people jumping the twin towers, that our fate is sealed due to the lacking of our own thought process.

This only delays the eventual.

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re: #112 MandyManners

re: #144 paradox42

I agree. This is a bad one.

re: #118 nyc redneck

sieghart is like obama. he thinks by the sheer will of his 'good intentions' he can work miracles.
he knows nothing abt. islam or hamas.

here's an edict from the koran:
"KILL those who join w/ other gods wherever ye shall find them; seize them and besiege them, and lay in wait for them w/ every kind of ambush. . ." koran, surah 9:0-10.

the top 1000 hamas thugs will show up concealed w/ knives.

And there are people in Israel today, who ought to know about islam and hamas, who are doing this:
Meretz campaigns for end to Gaza op

Words fail me!

re: #130 WriterMom

COMPUTER HELP NEEDED!

HELP! My computer is infected with a nasty malware program called "RegClean" and RegScan. They don't let you uninstall them. I have run Spybot-and it can't get them off because I need to be the "administrator" of my network (which I already have configured). I also am running Malwarebytes.

Can anyone advise me please how to get rid of this SOB program? It's slowing my connection to mollasess and crashing my computer every few minutes.

Until I find the malware software I use:

RegClean Removal Instructions

re: #138 HoosierHoops

It's how I launder puns

I see.
You were agitating.

re: #66 karmic_inquisitor

Fisk - again with the word "I" in the opening sentence. You can almost feel the whole planet begin to revolve - around him - as you read.

re: #149 FightingBack

I'm hoping its publication was a mistake, that he e-mailed it to his editor accidentally instead of attaching it to his job application for The Onion.

re: #141 Cygnus

Don't insult geraniums.

Control yourself.
No need to resort to violents here.

re: #130 WriterMom

[Link: www.download.com...]

Hitler and Churchill never met. Maybe they should have sat down over tea and crumpets.

re: #151 gclaghorn

awesome. I am going to try this now with WriterDaughter.

re: #120 Blackacre

William Sieghart is just Rachel Corrie in drag.

To do RC in drag, you need a bulldozer.

This is a thought process with which I am unfamiliar. It's not unique to America, but you see it wherever hippie children have aged, free from any sense of obligation to their liberty or the success of their nation.

These brats with access to print and broadcast would not only celebrate their own murders, but would schedule wall to wall coverage of the event. Today's media would sit on the deck of the Titanic and root for the iceberg, while suing the crew and debating whether transgendered passengers should be allowed seats in the lifeboats.

Today's media has become the Pravda of a death cult movement, and no amount of logic, facts or dwindling ad revenues will sway them from their task.

I say let's pay for their plane tickets to the land of the misunderstood victims of their choice, and to paraphrase Sam Adams, "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!"

re: #159 WriterMom

awesome. I am going to try this now with WriterDaughter.

I couldn't find anything on RegScan, other than websites that confirm that it is in fact malware. I'll keep searching.

re: #112 MandyManners

re: #152 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see.
You were agitating.

Next year I'm giving up pun threads for lint.

re: #130 WriterMom

COMPUTER HELP NEEDED!

HELP! My computer is infected with a nasty malware program called "RegClean" and RegScan. They don't let you uninstall them. I have run Spybot-and it can't get them off because I need to be the "administrator" of my network (which I already have configured). I also am running Malwarebytes.

Can anyone advise me please how to get rid of this SOB program? It's slowing my connection to mollasess and crashing my computer every few minutes.

Have you tried removing them from Control Panel/Add/Remove Software?

/otherwise, you'll probably need to just delete their directories and then run Windows/regedit and remove all the registry entries for both programs wherever they appear (CAUTION: don't try editing your registry unless you know what you're doing)

Well, there has to be at least one precondition: Israelis have the right to live. But Hamas will never agree to that. How do you sit down and negotiate with people whose starting point is your death? It's already been said...

re: #70 Ward Cleaver

Sieghart, you are an idiot.

re: #94 Dustyvet

That is anti-dryer! The PC police will be there shortly.

"Palestinians did not vote for Hamas because it was dedicated to the destruction of the state of Israel or because it had been responsible for waves of suicide bombings that had killed Israeli citizens. They voted for Hamas because they thought that Fatah, the party of the rejected Government, had failed them."

Says who? You? Any facts to back up that net opinion?

That willful blindness must explain the lack of guns on parade at the Hamas rallies that are filled with these same voters.

re: #158 Steve

Hitler and Churchill never met. Maybe they should have sat down over tea and crumpets.

And, streudel!

Is William Sieghart, by any chance, going to be an advisor for Kumbaya Obama? He seems to fit in perfectly.

/fit_in_what?

re: #164 Gearhead

Next year I'm giving up pun threads for lint.

All the static is getting to you?

I would be willing too bet that he was sitting in a hotel bar working on his 5th gin and tonic when this brilliant idea struck him.

re: #159 WriterMom

awesome. I am going to try this now with WriterDaughter.

What operating system do you use? If you use XP, you can just click Start->Search->All Files and Folders and type in regscan.exe. When the search tool finds it, you can delete it.

re: #151 gclaghorn

Forgive me, but my first reaction to WriterMom's dilemma was:

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled computer help section.

I just can't stop comparing the pali-wog murderers to this:

Brit company puts out the "No Jews allowed" sign...
British telecom firm severs ties with Israeli counterparts

British telecommunications firm FreedomCall has terminated its cooperation with Israel's MobileMax due to the IDF operation in Gaza.

"We received an email from the British company informing us that it is severing all ties with us and any other Israeli company following Israel's strike in Gaza," said CEO Raanan Cohen.

"We weren't expecting this from them and there was no prior warning. I don't intend to appeal to them or answer the letter."

The email from FreedomCall said, "As a result of the Israeli government action in the last few days we will no longer be in a position to consider doing business with yourself or any other Israeli company."

re: #164 Gearhead

Next year I'm giving up pun threads for lint.

I'll bet we could still wring one or two out of you.

re: #156 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Control yourself.
No need to resort to violents here.

Don't worry. Things are looking rosy.

re: #174 Dianna

Forgive me, but my first reaction to WriterMom's dilemma was:

Nuke it from orbit!

That just may work!

re: #174 Dianna

Forgive me, but my first reaction to WriterMom's dilemma was:

We now return you to your regularly scheduled computer help section.

I got that crap on my old computer a year ago. I had to replace it.

re: #115 paradox42

I think that 5) all of the above is just right.

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Have you tried removing them from Control Panel/Add/Remove Software?

/otherwise, you'll probably need to just delete their directories and then run Windows/regedit and remove all the registry entries for both programs wherever they appear (CAUTION: don't try editing your registry unless you know what you're doing)

Look for something you'd never have. I once found a piece of malware had installed itself in my documents under the heading "gay porn."

Let's not discuss some of what it put on my hard drive, all right? No matter how funny you may think it, it wasn't funny to me. Not one bit.

re: #171 pre-Boomer Marine brat

All the static is getting to you?

Just trying not to cling to old habits in the new year.

re: #182 Dianna

Look for something you'd never have. I once found a piece of malware had installed itself in my documents under the heading "gay porn."

Ah, the hackers were going for subtlety.

more media bias...

Gaza children traumatised as Israeli bombs rain down

GAZA CITY (AFP) — "We are scared... that we can die at any moment," said 11-year-old Mohammed Ayyad, still terrified hours after a massive Israeli bombardment of Hamas government buildings next to his house in Gaza.

Like the rest of Gaza's children, he has been traumatised by the four-day assault on Islamist Hamas targets which has transformed many areas of the overcrowded territory into piles of rubble and shattered glass.

"As they were hitting the centre (of Gaza City), we heard an enormous explosion and our house was filled with dust," he said. "We immediately ran towards the ground floor."

His six-year-old brother Ahmad "peed his pants. We were all scared because the planes are in the sky all the time and we could die at any moment."

re: #179 gclaghorn

That just may work!

Yeah.

A friend is currently frantically saving his documents while preparing to completely nuke his hard drive. Sometimes, it's the only way.

re: #183 Gearhead

Just trying not to cling to old habits in the new year.

I agree.
Let nothing detergent-al behavior.

Rocket hits near a man in Ashkelon

re: #186 Dianna

Yeah.

A friend is currently frantically saving his documents while preparing to completely nuke his hard drive. Sometimes, it's the only way.

Every once in a while, say every 2 years, I format the hard drive and re-install the OS. After saving everything I want to save, of course.

It works, I've never had major major problems, but it's a pain.

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

Where were the hundreds of articles along the same lines when Israelis have to run for shelters as the kassams came slamming into Sderot, Askhelon, and dozens of other areas around Gaza within range of the Hamas thugs? I must have missed them. /

Yes, I always sit down with someone who wants to knock my block off.

A wee something for the moon bats!

re: #180 MandyManners

Yes, that's why I'm currently suffering under the reign of Fedora. We were having too much fun with Youtube and various links one Saturday night, and I fear that one of us downloaded a really bad virus.

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Brit company puts out the "No Jews allowed" sign...
British telecom firm severs ties with Israeli counterparts

Is this so surprising considering England's dhimmitude?

re: #188 Killgore Trout

That's one lucky dude.

re: #186 Dianna

Yeah.

A friend is currently frantically saving his documents while preparing to completely nuke his hard drive. Sometimes, it's the only way.

Dumb question - what do you save the documents to?

re: #184 gclaghorn

Ah, the hackers were going for subtlety.

I don't know about that. But I never would have thought to look for such a heading.

re: #178 Cygnus

Don't worry. Things are looking rosy.

Whew! I'm glad.
I'm always worried that Killgore will resort to violins.
For a moment, I thought we had another.

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Rocket hits near a man in Ashkelon

If he'd stopped to tie his shoes, he'd be dead.

re: #196 debutaunt

Dumb question - what do you save the documents to?

Whenever I have to do it, I use a flash drive. But when I connect it after nuking, I run anti-virus on the flash drive before I take files off of it.

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

Hey, put the rocket launchers next to schools, hospitals, and homes with kids, so if the Israelis take them out, you'll have civilian and kiddie casualties for sure! Perfect fodder for the Jew-hating media. The entire civilian population of Gaza is comprised of voluntary human shields!

Israel has a chance to teach the world a lesson. They should humiliate these monsters, put a boot on their throat and make them surrender, renounce their cult and tell the world what a travesty this whole radical muslim ideology has been. Make them beg for forgiveness from the world and tell the MSM assholes how stupid they are. Israel has the opportunity, will they do it?

re: #196 debutaunt

Dumb question - what do you save the documents to?

Thumb drive?

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nope, he is just stringing you along.

re: #191 So?

Yes, I always sit down with someone who wants to knock my block off.

And, I thought the new mandatory mediation system for divorce was a bitch!

re: #193 Dianna

Yes, that's why I'm currently suffering under the reign of Fedora. We were having too much fun with Youtube and various links one Saturday night, and I fear that one of us downloaded a really bad virus.

While all that was going on a year ago, I really contemplated not going back on the Internet.

re: #196 debutaunt

Dumb question - what do you save the documents to?

A secondary hard drive connected via a USB cable.

I'm not technical, as I've said all too often, but my Male is supervising this activity, and making sure that it's just the data, not the virus being copied.

re: #204 HippieforLife

Nope, he is just stringing you along.

HEH!
With Killgore, probably so!

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Whew! I'm glad.
I'm always worried that Killgore will resort to violins.
For a moment, I thought we had another.

Can't Handel it?

re: #150 yma o hyd

And there are people in Israel today, who ought to know about islam and hamas, who are doing this:
Meretz campaigns for end to Gaza op

Words fail me!

you really need to know your enemy.
and you really need to know when to quit playing around and realize that your life is in danger.
they don't get either concept.

re: #209 Cygnus

Can't Handel it?

Oh c'mon... Bach off of it.

re: #206 MandyManners

While all that was going on a year ago, I really contemplated not going back on the Internet.

I understand that.

Ernest T Bass Courts Charlene

re: #130 WriterMom

COMPUTER HELP NEEDED!

HELP! My computer is infected with a nasty malware program called "RegClean" and RegScan. They don't let you uninstall them. I have run Spybot-and it can't get them off because I need to be the "administrator" of my network (which I already have configured). I also am running Malwarebytes.

Can anyone advise me please how to get rid of this SOB program? It's slowing my connection to mollasess and crashing my computer every few minutes.

It is a pain, but can be removed. It is mostly harmless but is tenacious. I got rid of it thru the control panel where it was hiding under an assumed name. But I found it.

re: #211 MrSilverDragon

Oh c'mon... Bach off of it.

Stop it this minuet...

lol

That's all I got.

re: #21 Occasional Reader

Keep your eyes open for William Sieghart's new book, Everything I Know About Dealing With Genocidal Terrorists I Learned In Kindergarten.

Does it include Farfur, the Bee, and the Rabbit from Ham-ass TV?

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Whew! I'm glad.
I'm always worried that Killgore will resort to violins.
For a moment, I thought we had another.

There's an awful lot of violins on television.

re: #211 MrSilverDragon

Oh c'mon... Bach off of it.

Bach was found erasing his music, he was decomposing...

re: #176 Killgore Trout

The name FreedomCall says it all.

re: #160 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To do RC in drag, you need a bulldozer.

Ouch!

re: #215 jcbunga

Stop it this minuet...

lol

That's all I got.

I don't want to be sharp, but this conversation is falling flat. It's only natural.

re: #209 Cygnus

Can't Handel it?

Let's not go down that road.
It's a strat o' various meanings.

/I'm not really comfortable with that, but these damned thread move fast!

re: #211 MrSilverDragon

Oh c'mon... Bach off of it.

Take a fugue minuets to settle down before you start shooting canons at each other.

re: #209 Cygnus

Can't Handel it?

Bach off.

It has often been Israel's complaint that it has no negotiation partner. Israel would probably be quite happy to have its top 1000 meet attend such a meeting if it thought that any responsible delegation from the Palestinian side would attend. So Sieghart's issue is actually with the Palestinians.

re: #215 jcbunga

Stop it this minuet...

lol

That's all I got.

Look at you just waltzing through life!

ot- Did Harold Meyerson (leftist Wapo op-ed hack) Really Just Compare Toyota to a Slave Owner?

answer: yes.

response:

No one is forcing auto workers in Kentucky and Alabama to do anything they do not want to do. To compare their current gainful employment to slavery just shows how completely intellectually bankrupt organized labor’s defenders are.

Look at this.

The thread is baroque.

re: #217 gclaghorn

There's an awful lot of violins on television.

I bought a TV once which came wrapped in cellophane

re: #223 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let's not go down that road.
It's a strat o' various meanings.

/I'm not really comfortable with that, but these damned thread move fast!

Got a friend who's so dumb, he thinks a semi-conductor is a short orchestra leader

re: #196 debutaunt

Dumb question - what do you save the documents to?

You can buy an external Hard hard for 99 bucks. Plug it into the USB port and off you go saving documents to your hearts content.

re: #190 lawhawk

Where were the hundreds of articles along the same lines when Israelis have to run for shelters as the kassams came slamming into Sderot, Askhelon, and dozens of other areas around Gaza within range of the Hamas thugs? I must have missed them. /

I've only seen one. Surprisingly it's from the BBC (looking out the window for flying pigs)...

Taking cover on Sderot front line

The alarm goes and suddenly the whole street is moving in the same direction - to the bomb shelter.

It is by now a well-practised routine for the residents of Sderot. It has to be.

There can be as little as 15 seconds warning of an incoming rocket fired from Gaza.

We were eating in a cafe when one of the day's many sirens sounded.

The nearest shelter happened to be just across the road, a tiny, squat concrete building which looked like a public convenience. We crowded in as another missile landed.

re: #227 vapig

Look at you just waltzing through life!

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

None of you music punners have allegro to stand on.

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Brit company puts out the "No Jews allowed" sign...
British telecom firm severs ties with Israeli counterparts

Does FreedomCall use the Hamas flag as its logo?

re: #222 MrSilverDragon

I don't want to be sharp, but this conversation is falling flat. It's only natural.

So give it a rest.

re: #224 Kosh's Shadow

Take a fugue minuets to settle down before you start shooting canons at each other.

*rimshot*

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Don't Strauss about it man.

re: #176 Killgore Trout

I suspect a lot of their business is from british muslims talking to friends and family in various parts of Asia and Africa. Mr Cohen will have to hope that they are more pleased with his action than they are displeased with his name, which he has drawn attention to with this move.

I may have to leave soon.

Who will hold down the forte?

re: #207 Dianna

A secondary hard drive connected via a USB cable.

I'm not technical, as I've said all too often, but my Male is supervising this activity, and making sure that it's just the data, not the virus being copied.

Like i said earlier.. There isn't anything I've found that defender could not clean up.

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

Had he been wearing proper Arabic robes, he would not have had any pants to pee.

Considering the Israeli's habit of dropping leaflets telling the arabs, "We will be bombing HERE at THIS time," I find it hard to believe any arab child would be afraid. Unless, of course, the men-folk are holding them hostage (as they did in Lebanon) to make sure there is a body count to show western cameras.

re: #222 MrSilverDragon

I don't want to be sharp, but this conversation is falling flat. It's only natural.

You sure have some pluck.

re: #231 Dustyvet

Got a friend who's so dumb, he thinks a semi-conductor is a short orchestra leader

Now we've come full circle, back to silicon and geranium.

re: #130 WriterMom

COMPUTER HELP NEEDED!

HELP! My computer is infected with a nasty malware program called "RegClean" and RegScan. They don't let you uninstall them. I have run Spybot-and it can't get them off because I need to be the "administrator" of my network (which I already have configured). I also am running Malwarebytes.

Can anyone advise me please how to get rid of this SOB program? It's slowing my connection to mollasess and crashing my computer every few minutes.

You might also want to scan the system with rootkit removal software such as Panda Anti-Rootkit (it's free; there may also be a more up-to-date scanner from someone else - suggestions, lizards?). Rootkits are very difficult to remove completely. The only surefire way is a complete format and reinstall.

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Brit company puts out the "No Jews allowed" sign...
British telecom firm severs ties with Israeli counterparts

Since cell phone technology was invented in Israel, they should go back to using telegraphs or something else.

I'm doing my end-of-year deep cleaning. I'll see you Lizards later this afternoon.

re: #234 MrSilverDragon

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

LOLOL!

re: #242 gclaghorn

I may have to leave soon.

Who will hold down the forte?

What's fermata with you? Are you in treble again?

re: #224 Kosh's Shadow

Take a fugue minuets to settle down before you start shooting canons at each other.

I think the relationship is Pachelbel.

re: #249 Kosh's Shadow

Since cell phone technology was invented in Israel, they should go back to using telegraphs or something else.

They should give up on instant messaging since ICQ was invented by an Israeli firm and bought out by an American firm... /

re: #250 MandyManners

I'm doing my end-of-year deep cleaning. I'll see you Lizards later this afternoon.

Kinky. ;)

OT ... But I think Blagojevich's nomination of that fellow to take BO's senate seat is a nice little attempt at stirring up racial trouble in Chicago. Does anyone else get that vibe?

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

Had he been wearing proper Arabic robes, he would not have had any pants to pee.

I like this part...

"We are scared... that we can die at any moment," said 11-year-old Mohammed Ayyad, still terrified hours after a massive Israeli bombardment of Hamas government buildings next to his house in Gaza.

re: #226 2dogs

It has often been Israel's complaint that it has no negotiation partner. Israel would probably be quite happy to have its top 1000 meet attend such a meeting if it thought that any responsible delegation from the Palestinian side would attend. So Sieghart's issue is actually with the Palestinians.

So lets say they did meet..and agreed on a long term agreement.. The Pali's return home and get beheaded.

re: #222 MrSilverDragon

I don't want to be sharp, but this conversation is falling flat. It's only natural.

I type as I talk, with a clef palate

re: #252 Cygnus

What's fermata with you? Are you in treble again?

I'm beat. So, so tired.

One more music pun, and I'll throw my self off a treble cleft!

re: #260 gclaghorn

I'm beat. So, so tired.

Maybe your G-string is too tight.

Someone make a pun with the word "pentatonic." I dare you.

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

The media seemed remarkably unconcerned about the traumas experienced by the children of Sderot during all the years that rockets were raining down on them.

I know. I wonder if that's why I'm so callously unconcerned with the welfare of the arabs now? I don't mean to be - I don't like death and violence. It's just my sense of justice is rather outraged by the unrepentant antisemitic bias. Plus, I think if you act like a murdering bastard madman there should be some consequences for your actions.

re: #256 _RememberTonyC

OT ... But I think Blagojevich's nomination of that fellow to take BO's senate seat is a nice little attempt at stirring up racial trouble in Chicago. Does anyone else get that vibe?

Since they brought up the race card at the announcement i have to agree with you

re: #261 Dustyvet

One more music pun, and I'll throw my self off a treble cleft!

That sounds pretty offbeat to me. Compose yourself!

re: #263 gclaghorn