Evolving Into 2009

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Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world’s data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away while scientists debate rival theories for explaining them. Einstein’s theory of gravitation replaced Newton’s, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air pending the outcome. And human beings evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered. […] Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science, “fact” can only mean “confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.” I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.

— Stephen Jay Gould, “Hen’s Teeth and Horse’s Toes”

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1 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:04:48pm

Greetings all you last year people out west

2 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:04:54pm

Happy New Year!

3 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:05:02pm

and Happy New Year!

4 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:05:32pm

re: #1 Shug

Greetings all you last year people out west

howdy from ABQ...did I miss something?

5 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:06:03pm

re: #4 albusteve

you missed the Clintons dancing.
I envy you

6 Sarge1984  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:06:10pm

Somebody pass the popcorn, please?

7 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:06:32pm

2010 can't come fast enough.

8 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:06:56pm

Stephen Jay Gould, despite being a hardcore leftist when it came to human politics, knew quite a thing or two about the scientific method.

9 NelsFree  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:06:58pm

Happy New Year all!

Hey, let's start the new year with the LGF Sweetheart Contest!

10 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:07:09pm

re: #5 Shug

you missed the Clintons dancing.
I envy you

ha!...I dont do the Clintons or television

11 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:07:15pm

Blasphemy!
/Behead those who insult the Turtle Stack!

12 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:07:51pm

Is it really 2009 until King Obama celebrates the New Year out in Hawaii?

13 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:08:39pm

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

2010 can't come fast enough.

Seconded. 2009 is going to be a long year.

14 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:09:13pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Blasphemy!
/Behead those who insult the Turtle Stack!

Behold Stackable Turtles!

15 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:09:42pm

albusteve, in case you missed it...yes, the Idler is still afloat. I don't do bars, but there, in the same place, is a bar called York's Landing, where many good bands play in the summer...I listen to them from the Hotel Nichols across the street...usually chilling with the owner and an iced coffee.

16 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:09:56pm

Wow! Messages from the future!

17 jaunte  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:10:00pm

Risible apples.

18 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:10:03pm

It's New Year. This thread should bring out the freaks and night walkers.

19 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:10:55pm

re: #15 Taqiyyotomist

albusteve, in case you missed it...yes, the Idler is still afloat. I don't do bars, but there, in the same place, is a bar called York's Landing, where many good bands play in the summer...I listen to them from the Hotel Nichols across the street...usually chilling with the owner and an iced coffee.

I've spent many a lazy summer day and evening in South Haven...it's definately part of me...I'm from kalamazoo

20 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:11:21pm

HAPPY NEW YEAR LIZARDS. *sniff* I may be stuck at work now, but at least Charles was thoughtful. We may even get a trollBQ tonight to celebreate.

/cheers.

21 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:11:46pm

re: #18 Erik The Red

It's New Year. This thread should bring out the freaks and night walkers.

in that regard it's nice to see you here...

22 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:11:53pm
Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact.

What he means by this, of course, is:

It is a proven fact that species have evolved, one into the other, over the epochs.

It is a theory that the mechanism for this evolution is exclusively natural selection.

The word "evolution" (a bit confusingly) refers to both the physical fact of evolution and to the theory which explains the known facts.

And, as he says, the concept of a "theory" is no less impressive (and in some ways much more impressive) than the concept of "fact."

A theory is only so good as it is superior to all other rival theories. Natural selection, at this stage, essentially has no rivals at all.

23 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:11:54pm

There really is a Kalamazoo?

heh. I was born here, raised in Covert, one town south.

24 Salem  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:11:56pm

Ghasp! Oh no, It's a godless thread for New Years!

25 Timbre  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:11:58pm

I say again, you deaf, blind infidels! It is 4 Muharram A.H.! It is not a New Year! AHHH!

/off Islamist rant

26 hillbilly geek  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:19pm

happy new year all!

27 Dianna  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:24pm

re: #8 zombie

Stephen Jay Gould, despite being a hardcore leftist when it came to human politics, knew quite a thing or two about the scientific method.

He was the first writer I ever ran across who not only claimed the South could have won the Civil War, but should have.

It was shocking to me, then, that anyone could be so morally bankrupt.

28 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:25pm

Evolution as Fact and Theory
by Stephen Jay Gould

[Link: www.stephenjaygould.org...]

29 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:40pm

2009 is tough folks!
Those of you out west, drive west. Drive fast. Fast as you can!

just don't cross the international date line.

30 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:59pm

Broke down and watched the ball drop on Earth Cam.

Now I'm turning it off - they're playing really sappy music. Probably trying to bore the crowd into leaving. Lowlight - the dancing Clintons. Geez.

Happy new year, and God bless America.

31 Dianna  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:13:34pm

re: #18 Erik The Red

It's New Year. This thread should bring out the freaks and night walkers.

Leaving us to wonder into which category each of us falls?

32 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:13:36pm

re: #13 sngnsgt

Seconded. 2009 is going to be a long year.

Teleprompter Jesus will save us!

33 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:13:54pm

re: #23 Taqiyyotomist

There really is a Kalamazoo?

heh. I was born here, raised in Covert, one town south.

I know Covert...indeed we used to hang out in the dunes before there was a state park over there...Thunder Mountain and the like...good times for a teenager

34 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:14:34pm

re: #18 Erik The Red

It's New Year. This thread should bring out the freaks and night walkers.

You say that as if it's a bad thing. :D

35 Timbre  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:14:50pm

Happy New Year, Charles, Stinky, and all Lizards! May the weather be hot and the crevices dry!

36 jaunte  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:14:56pm

re: #31 Dianna

There's no real dividing line.

37 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:15:09pm

re: #29 Shug

2009 is tough folks!
Those of you out west, drive west. Drive fast. Fast as you can!

just don't cross the international date line.

pedal to the metal bro...my Jettas pickin up speed!

38 Dianna  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:15:25pm

re: #36 jaunte

There's no real dividing line.

And people wonder why I do so well, here...

39 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:15:45pm

My domestic shorthair came over to sit next to me right at new year's, but I think it's because I have a heating pad on my leg.

40 hillbilly geek  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:16:06pm

paddle faster... I hear banjos!

41 Dianna  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:16:35pm

re: #39 Cattt

My domestic shorthair came over to sit next to me right at new year's, but I think it's because I have a heating pad on my leg.

That's a cat for you.

Is it that cold where you are, or have you done yourself a mischief?

42 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:17:37pm

Kathy Griffin says Hillary Clinton is such a wonderful role model for women

A doormat to a cheating husband.

something every girl should aim for

43 Dianna  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:17:49pm

Quiche time!

44 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:17:53pm

re: #39 Cattt

My domestic shorthair came over to sit next to me right at new year's, but I think it's because I have a heating pad on my leg.

>^..^< Happiness is a warm mistress/master...:)

45 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:18:07pm

KAILUA — President-elect Barack Obama made his usual trek to the gym this morning, the last full day of his vacation in the Islands.

his usual trek...not a man of the people...hid out in his compound...'can't wait for him to go HOME.

/ask me how I really feel...

46 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:18:10pm

From wikipedia:

[Stephen} Pinker accuses Gould, Lewontin and other opponents of evolutionary psychology of being "radical scientists," whose stance on human nature is influenced by politics rather than science.[41]

On this point, I'm firmly in Pinker's camp. Gould know a lot about biology and scientific theory; he wan't so wise when it came to human beings. He let his socialist utopian emotions interfere with what should have been his scientific realism about how evolution has created the human mind.

47 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:18:13pm

re: #42 Shug

Kathy Griffin says Hillary Clinton is such a wonderful role model for women

A doormat to a cheating husband.

something every girl should aim for

Kathy Griffin is stupid.

48 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:18:38pm

re: #41 Dianna

That's a cat for you.

Is it that cold where you are, or have you done yourself a mischief?

It's cold, but yes to the latter also - mangled sciatic nerve in my right hip, down my leg. Much better, but I still am hobbling. Glad I don't have to drive much (it's my right leg, and driving hurts a lot).

49 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:18:46pm

re: #16 Fenway_Nation

Wow! Messages from the future!

So far in 2009 the Pats, Celtics, Sawx and B's are winless.

Hey, you curious to watch that game at Wrigley tomorrow?

50 vinnymeyer  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:19:44pm

re: #39 Cattt

My domestic shorthair came over to sit next to me right at new year's, but I think it's because I have a heating pad on my leg.

My miniature dachsund came over and sat next to me.. she likes to cuddle but has gas tonight! Happy New Year!

V.

51 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:20:06pm

re: #20 BlueCanuck

HAPPY NEW YEAR LIZARDS. *sniff* I may be stuck at work now, but at least Charles was thoughtful. We may even get a trollBQ tonight to celebreate.

/cheers.

Same to you Blue. Glad to see someone else also at work.

52 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:20:19pm

re: #51 Erik The Red

Same to you Blue. Glad to see someone else also at work.

me too

53 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:20:28pm

re: #33 albusteve

Good gravy. My grandfather, for a time, owned Thunder Mountain. A company called Auto Specialties bought it, now there's a gate and NOBODY gets to see the beauty of it. I climbed Thunder Mountain (big sand dune from which one can see Chicago, for the other lizards), oh a few hundred times as a preteen/teen. Grandpa built that whole neighborhood with his brother after the War. How cool is that! You're the first person I've ever heard mention even passing knowlege of Covert or Thunder Mountain, outside of Covert (or South Haven) itself.

The Dunes are unique. When I moved back here years ago from Boston, I was struck by the smell...sassafrass dust is in the sand, and it's quite fragrant, and evocative of memory. We used to have something called the Sand-o-Rama, a dunebuggy/jeep/blazer/bronco extravaganza, in my backyard...the event grew too big for the local infrastructure, so they moved it...but it was on my grandma's land (which trails are now forested, and you can hardly tell they raped the poor earth with their toys..(sarc))...so us kids got to see it all for free.

54 nnw59  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:20:53pm

"human beings evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered". Hmmm. I wonder what other possible mechanism Gould might have dreamed of? It seems that any challenge or even investigation into challenging Darwin's mechanism is quickly dismissed, whatever the source, as Discovery Institute crack-pot theory. I can only wonder what the posts would be were a alternative mechanism "discovered" to replace Darwin's. Oh but the heresy of even considering the possibility. It seems that Gould himself could imagine one. Happy New Year to all. And Natural Selection and Randomness Bless You All.

55 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:01pm

re: #39 Cattt

My domestic shorthair came over to sit next to me right at new year's, but I think it's because I have a heating pad on my leg.

all mine were ally or barn cats...they would growl at me and rip my flesh...non of that sissy lap bullshit...but I liked them for it

56 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:08pm

Happy 1430 everyone!

We'll get out of the Dark Ages soon, at this rate!

57 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:17pm

re: #49 JammieWearingFool

So far in 2009 the Pats, Celtics, Sawx and B's are winless.

Hey, you curious to watch that game at Wrigley tomorrow?

Looking forward to it being a hockey fand ADN a Cubs fan.

Best of both worlds!

58 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:22:16pm

I don't believe man evolved from apes.

59 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:22:40pm

re: #45 IslandLibertarian

KAILUA — President-elect Barack Obama made his usual trek to the gym this morning, the last full day of his vacation in the Islands.

his usual trek...not a man of the people...hid out in his compound...'can't wait for him to go HOME.

/ask me how I really feel...

Every day, same story. But he doesn't want any attention, mind you. I'm surprised he doesn't start flexing during the photo ops.

60 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:23:51pm

Courtney Friel is so hot.

61 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:21pm

re: #54 nnw59

As soon as anybody proposes a theory that matches the facts as well as or better than "natural selection," it will be seriously entertained by science.

So far, since 1859, no one has. In fact, no one has proposed a theory that explains the facts even 1% as well as "natural selection."

It is not bias and prejudice that keeps people Darwinists; it is the cogency of the theory.

(And no, "A miracle happened every time a species appeared" does not count as a valid theory.)

62 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:26pm

re: #58 cincinnati_kid37

I don't believe man evolved from apes.

Where did we come from aliens?

63 vinnymeyer  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:32pm

re: #58 cincinnati_kid37

I don't believe man evolved from apes.

Hmmm.. hard to tell. After the last election and the continuing drama, it might be that they evolved from us. :-)

V.

64 Shay4l  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:50pm

"I will kill him!"

Sting- Dune

65 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:25:01pm

re: #58 cincinnati_kid37

I don't believe man evolved from apes.

Neither do I.

Man and modern apes both evolved from a common ancestor.

66 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:25:09pm

re: #53 Taqiyyotomist

Good gravy. My grandfather, for a time, owned Thunder Mountain. A company called Auto Specialties bought it, now there's a gate and NOBODY gets to see the beauty of it. I climbed Thunder Mountain (big sand dune from which one can see Chicago, for the other lizards), oh a few hundred times as a preteen/teen. Grandpa built that whole neighborhood with his brother after the War. How cool is that! You're the first person I've ever heard mention even passing knowlege of Covert or Thunder Mountain, outside of Covert (or South Haven) itself.

The Dunes are unique. When I moved back here years ago from Boston, I was struck by the smell...sassafrass dust is in the sand, and it's quite fragrant, and evocative of memory. We used to have something called the Sand-o-Rama, a dunebuggy/jeep/blazer/bronco extravaganza, in my backyard...the event grew too big for the local infrastructure, so they moved it...but it was on my grandma's land (which trails are now forested, and you can hardly tell they raped the poor earth with their toys..(sarc))...so us kids got to see it all for free.

I have many tales from those old times...we'd trudge up that MF and pitch camp...3 or 4 tents...beer and chow and girlfriends...right at the top...others would come with the same intention but once up there you ruled the whole dune...deflate the tires and ramble around with a car...diving off the top and tumbling nearly to the bottom...all the woods and water and sand...pretty cool

67 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:25:17pm

What if primative apes mated with spacemen to create humans?

As a child I read this book Chariots of the Gods. It made a lot of sense to me at the time.

68 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:25:43pm

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

2010 can't come fast enough.

I'm so looking forward to 2012 (November, that is, not 23 December).

69 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:25:57pm

re: #62 Erik The Red

Where did we come from aliens?

dont feed him ideas bro...

70 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:22pm

re: #67 Shug

What if primative apes mated with spacemen to create humans?

As a child I read this book Chariots of the Gods. It made a lot of sense to me at the time.

As I child I read this book called Where the Wild Things Are. It made a lot of sense to me at the time.

71 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:32pm

re: #57 NJDhockeyfan

Looking forward to it being a hockey fand ADN a Cubs fan.

Best of both worlds!

The game in Orchard Park last year was great. This ought to be even better considering the venue.

Maybe in a couple years they can have the Rangers and Devils at the new Giants Stadium (for lack of a better name).

I'd go.

72 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:42pm

re: #49 JammieWearingFool

So far in 2009 the Pats, Celtics, Sawx and B's are winless.

Hey, you curious to watch that game at Wrigley tomorrow?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict the sawx will probably be winless until at least Febuary...

I do plan on getting up 'early' and catching that game @ Wrigley on New Year's Day.

I mentioned on another thread that I was having pizza and chowder in the Back Bay Fens this time last week...a couple of blocks from Fenway and wistfully hoping that preperations were being made for a Bruins/Habs or Bruins/Leafs game in America's Most Beloved Ballpark by this time next year...

73 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:46pm

re: #56 zombie

Happy Gregorian Calendar New Year Zombie! Not Islamic 2009!

74 Shay4l  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:27:18pm

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

Courtney Friel is so hot.

Why, yes. Yes, she is.

75 Salem  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:27:27pm

No, apes evolved from men and back again. It's a madhouse, A MADHOUSE!

76 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:27:31pm

re: #73 notutopia

Happy Gregorian Calendar New Year Zombie! Not Islamic 2009!

I say piffle to the Gregorians! Give me my Julian Calendar or give me snow in July!

77 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:27:35pm

I see trees of green, red roses too...

78 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:27:55pm

re: #71 JammieWearingFool

The game in Orchard Park last year was great. This ought to be even better considering the venue.

Maybe in a couple years they can have the Rangers and Devils at the new Giants Stadium (for lack of a better name).

I'd go.

That would be PERFECT. I would go.

79 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:28:00pm

re: #62 Erik The Red

Where did we come from aliens?


According to this freak of nature, yup.

Zecharia Sitchin (wikipedia)

If you ever torture yourself by reading one of his ridiculous-beyond-words books, be prepared to toss all logic, reason, and everything you ever thought you knew out the window. I've known people who worship this dude.

80 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:28:01pm

Happy New Year y'all! (in the Eastern Time zone, of course)!

81 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:28:09pm

Happy New Year!

Where the hell is that crazy Matt? This is cheerful as all get out.

Youtube Video
82 Sarge1984  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:29:37pm

re: #67 Shug

What if primative apes mated with spacemen to create humans?

As a child I read this book Chariots of the Gods. It made a lot of sense to me at the time.

Can you imagine the looks on the spacemen's faces?

83 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:29:44pm

re: #66 albusteve

Did you ever get a motorized vehicle up to the top, from the front? My uncle did, with his cousin, back in the 60s...he claims they were the first to do so. Said it was the scariest ride of his life coming back down...in fact I think he jumped ship. That is one steep hill.

85 jaunte  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:29:48pm

Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty aliens!

86 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:29:57pm

re: #76 zombie

my bad...you're correct. It's Julian.

87 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:30:00pm

Happy New Years, Lizards.

And until we meet again face to face or on the intratubes may G-d take a likin' to ya!

88 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:30:31pm

Oh great, looks like the new year is already in the crapper. Some one hasn't shown up for his shift yet.

89 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:30:50pm

re: #82 Sarge1984

Can you imagine the looks on the spacemen's faces?

No doubt they required the apes to get brazilian wax jobs

90 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:31:30pm

Happy New Year Lizards!


Image: 2-2925_No_Fuel_Sign.jpg

91 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:31:38pm

re: #83 Taqiyyotomist

Did you ever get a motorized vehicle up to the top, from the front? My uncle did, with his cousin, back in the 60s...he claims they were the first to do so. Said it was the scariest ride of his life coming back down...in fact I think he jumped ship. That is one steep hill.

no...impossible...now go smack your uncle for telling you that wild story...but give him a kiss from me for the effort!

92 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:05pm

Happy New Year Realwest!

93 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:06pm

re: #86 notutopia

my bad...you're correct. It's Julian.

No no no, I was kidding. The Western World currently uses the Gregorian calendar. The Julian calender slowly goes out of whack a few days per century. the Gregorian Calendar is the modern refinement of the Julian Calendar.

94 Sarge1984  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:07pm

re: #89 Shug

Then they'd look like...baboons...?

95 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:23pm

re: #89 Shug

No doubt they required the apes to get brazilian wax jobs

96 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:28pm

re: #20 BlueCanuck

HAPPY NEW YEAR LIZARDS. *sniff* I may be stuck at work now, but at least Charles was thoughtful. We may even get a trollBQ tonight to celebreate.

/cheers.

Cheers to you and a very Happy New Year!

97 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:40pm

re: #76 zombie

I say piffle to the Gregorians! Give me my Julian Calendar or give me snow in July!

Happy 2454466.50000!

98 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:44pm

re: #95 albusteve

good one!...

99 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:56pm

re: #91 albusteve

LOL, I'll relay the message.

100 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:33:02pm

re: #77 Joan
Happy New Year Joan - I've always preferred this version myself

Youtube Video
101 Crux Australis  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:33:07pm

It's already 16 1/2 hours into 2009 downunder. Damn timezones.

102 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:33:20pm

re: #93 zombie

And needless to say, the Islamic Calendar is a total joke, and is an entire season out of whack after only one decade.

103 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:33:31pm

re: #97 FurryOldGuyJeans

Happy 2454466.50000!

Is that a Stardate?

104 Salem  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:33:35pm

TZ: "You're in a toybox, dude! Give it up!"

105 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:01pm

re: #63 vinnymeyer

Hmmm.. hard to tell. After the last election and the continuing drama, it might be that they evolved from us. :-)

V.

Good point :)

106 snowcrash  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:16pm

Any Lizards torturing themselves watching local Dallas WFAA New Years Eve coverage? Lame

107 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:26pm

re: #93 zombie

I'll blame it on the Guiness xstout...
Either way, snow in July sounds nice.
Happy New Year Zombie!

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:50pm

re: #103 Taqiyyotomist

Is that a Stardate?

Today's Julian Date (actually would be for GMT at midnight).

109 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:35:01pm

re: #88 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue - do you mean an LGFer hasn't show up for his "shift" or a co-worker?

110 traderjoe9  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:35:02pm

Anybody interested in a little readin...? Check out my article!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

111 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:35:30pm

snowcrash! Goddess and I were just discussing Neal Stephenson novels a thread back. Your name came up. Seriously good author.

112 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:35:56pm

re: #106 snowcrash

Any Lizards torturing themselves watching local Dallas WFAA New Years Eve coverage? Lame

well New Years Eve is lame...to me anyway...it's a calender thing...a timely coincidence

113 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:36:03pm

re: #62 Erik The Red

Where did we come from aliens?

We may have come from Man.

No? Then - Where did apes come from ? Where did any other species come from? Primordial soup for all species? I don't buy it.

114 Shay4l  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:36:45pm

"The purpose of argument is to change the nature of truth."

115 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:36:50pm

re: #65 zombie

Neither do I.

Man and modern apes both evolved from a common ancestor.

I can go with that.

116 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:36:51pm

re: #72 Fenway_Nation

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict the sawx will probably be winless until at least Febuary...

I do plan on getting up 'early' and catching that game @ Wrigley on New Year's Day.

I mentioned on another thread that I was having pizza and chowder in the Back Bay Fens this time last week...a couple of blocks from Fenway and wistfully hoping that preperations were being made for a Bruins/Habs or Bruins/Leafs game in America's Most Beloved Ballpark by this time next year...

Now that would be cool, a game at Fenway. I suspect you're on to something there.

I'm planning one of my occasional trips to Fenway this spring. Just waiting on the schedule release to see if I can line up a Yankee game. Always a fun time.

117 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:36:51pm

re: #113 cincinnati_kid37

We may have come from Man.

No? Then - Where did apes come from ? Where did any other species come from? Primordial soup for all species? I don't buy it.

NO SOUP FOR YOU !

118 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:37:26pm

Goodnight lizards. May 2009 be a better year for you than 2008.

119 snowcrash  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:37:43pm

re: #111 Taqiyyotomist

Went to school with author for a couple of years. His new book is too long for me though.

120 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:37:52pm

Hey Blue fire up the bbq.

121 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:38:07pm

re: #113 cincinnati_kid37

We may have come from Man.

No? Then - Where did apes come from ? Where did any other species come from? Primordial soup for all species? I don't buy it.

I dare you to convince me that I should even care...

122 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:38:17pm

Holy cow, I just got an actual respectful and helpful email from a Muslim fundamentalist, correcting a small detail in one of my captions at the Mo Archive! Will wonders never cease? :

"In your section about "Islamic depictions of Muhammad(SallAllahu Alayhi wa Salaam)" the painting of RasulAllah(SAWS) and the black stone...

"The legends tell how, after the people of Mecca converted to Islam, they wanted to re-dedicate the Kaaba, turning it from a polytheistic pagan shrine into a monotheistic shrine to Allah. When several Meccans argued over who had the right to lift the Black Stone into place as the culmination of the ceremony, Mohammed resolved the argument by placing the stone in a cloth and having all the men lift the cloth together."

This incident happened Before Muhammad(SAWS) was blessed with the Messengership and Prophethood by Allah 'Ta Ala to lead all of mankind into guidance and far before the conquest of Makkah.

recheck your history...just trying to help you keep things accurate."

Well, this 1430 is promising to be a year of brotherhood already!

123 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:38:28pm

re: #118 Alouette
Goodnight Alouette! Happy New Year!

124 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:38:30pm

2008 was the best year of my life.

but I think 2009 will be better.

125 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:39:00pm

re: #116 JammieWearingFool Hey Jammie - Happy New Year to you!
You'd actually go to a Bosox-Yanks game in BOSTON?
You are a braver man than I am!

126 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:39:06pm

re: #110 traderjoe9

Anybody interested in a little readin...? Check out my article!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I'm gonna guess (I'll read it all and the comments tomorrow, promise) that your article went over at Kos like a fart in a spacesuit. Looks good, and much kudos for posting it there, where truth is most needed and least accepted.

127 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:39:51pm

Enters cautiously.
I don't see any blood yet but the year is young.

128 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:39:59pm

re: #111 Taqiyyotomist

snowcrash! Goddess and I were just discussing Neal Stephenson novels a thread back. Your name came up. Seriously good author.

Oh, and I missed it. Yes, he is. It's funny - the evening I started Cryptonomicon, which I'd checked out of the library purely out of curiousity, a math guy (doctorate) who works at the NSA was fixing me dinner (I'd turned my ankle, and he is a much better cook than I am anyway). I read parts of it to him - talk about synchronicity.

After reading that, I got all his books. Great stuff.

129 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:40:03pm

re: #121 albusteve

I dare you to convince me that I should even care...

BINGO.

130 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:40:35pm

re: #124 Shug
Hey Shug - I'm glad to hear 2008 was the best year of your life and hope that you're right about 2009! Happy New Year!

131 Shay4l  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:40:46pm

re: #127 lifeofthemind

Enters cautiously.
I don't see any blood yet but the year is young.

Get 'em!

132 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:40:48pm

re: #100 realwest

Happy New Year Joan - I've always preferred this version myself

Ohhh, yeah...too sweet. Happy New Year, Real!

133 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:41:16pm

re: #115 cincinnati_kid37

I can go with that.

Well, there ya go!

I think if most people who "don't believe in evolution" actually knew the facts of what was being disputed, they wouldn't "disbelieve" so vehemently. Reasonableness abounds tonight!

134 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:41:28pm

re: #78 NJDhockeyfan

That would be PERFECT. I would go.

I'll see you there. BTW, the new building is up, right next to the existing one. They're just working on the interior. Expected to be ready by March or April 2010. If they have a blimp for the Giants game next week I imagine you'll get the aerial shot.

135 traderjoe9  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:41:45pm

re: #126 Taqiyyotomist

I'm gonna guess (I'll read it all and the comments tomorrow, promise) that your article went over at Kos like a fart in a spacesuit. Looks good, and much kudos for posting it there, where truth is most needed and least accepted.

Its my third article there...the previous two ones didn't go over well because I didn't provide any sources. I sourced the hell out of this one though and more people are responding better...

Although check out the first comment...I posted my article at 8:14 and he responded simply with "propaganda" at 8:16, not even reading it. Frickin idiots.

I put up a poll yesterday asking them if the U.S is a terrorist nation, and 65% said the U.S is a terrorist nation...

136 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:42:24pm

re: #124 Shug

2008 was the best year of my life.

but I think 2009 will be better.

you know, that's a damned good way to look at it...I'm glad for you and feel the same way...I measure my heartbeats...not current events or someone elses grief or what the media has to say...the great west was good to me for another year...lots of sky and clean air and fine people...fuck the rest of it

137 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:42:35pm

re: #101 Crux Australis

It's already 16 1/2 hours into 2009 downunder. Damn timezones.

Well, consider this a sort of "sneak preview." And, if I miss you, Happy New Year!

138 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:43:16pm

re: #135 traderjoe9

Does Kos ban diarists who write as you do? That is, something other than echoes...? I didn't realize that you'd even be allowd to post a second, let alone a third.

139 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:43:48pm

re: #126 Taqiyyotomist

I'm gonna guess (I'll read it all and the comments tomorrow, promise) that your article went over at Kos like a fart in a spacesuit. Looks good, and much kudos for posting it there, where truth is most needed and least accepted.

Firefox refuses to let me see the comments to the posted article, for which I think I should be eternally grateful.

140 Shay4l  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:44:37pm

re: #134 JammieWearingFool

I'll see you there. BTW, the new building is up, right next to the existing one. They're just working on the interior. Expected to be ready by March or April 2010. If they have a blimp for the Giants game next week I imagine you'll get the aerial shot.

[Link: www.stadiumsofnfl.com...]

141 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:44:59pm

re: #113 cincinnati_kid37

We may have come from Man.

No? Then - Where did apes come from ? Where did any other species come from? Primordial soup for all species? I don't buy it.

Stephen Jay Gould wrote a great book, whose name eludes me at the moment, which explains in perfect detail how each phylum and each genera etc. branched off from each other, going back to the very beginning. If everybody read and understood this book, it would defuse about 90% of the arguments.

Only one (or perhaps a very few) original ultra-primitive lifeforms emerged from the primordial soup. We are all descended from those original forms. ALL of us -- all extent species, plant and animal. There need not have been a fresh round of natural creation for each species.

142 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:45:12pm

re: #132 Joan
I thought you might like it - and thanks really goes to Charles for educating me - I'd never heard of him before Charles put him on playlist back in the days when we'd have playlists!

143 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:46:36pm

re: #133 zombie
"Reasonableness abounds tonight!" Must be all that New Years Eve good cheer! Happy New Year zombie!

144 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:46:51pm

re: #65 zombie

Neither do I.

Man and modern apes both evolved from a common ancestor.

Yes.
Thank you.

145 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:46:59pm

re: #22 zombie

zombie -

First came the TORAH - Then the TALMUD - and since the arguments have NOT ceased.

-S-

146 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:47:03pm

re: #124 Shug

2008 was the best year of my life.

but I think 2009 will be better.

One of my ex in-laws - I thought he was a twit until one day when we all tubed down the Guadalupe. It was hot, the river was crowded, drunk couples were fighting, but they had to stick together, since they were in a river instead of a car, and the water was really sluggish, so it took hours. We all had sunburns, blisters, and sore muscles.

When we got home, someone who wasn't there said "how'd it go?" My in-law says "Great!"

I thought - yeah, it was great, now that I think about it.

147 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:47:16pm

re: #141 zombie

Stephen Jay Gould wrote a great book, whose name eludes me at the moment, which explains in perfect detail how each phylum and each genera etc. branched off from each other, going back to the very beginning. If everybody read and understood this book, it would defuse about 90% of the arguments.

Only one (or perhaps a very few) original ultra-primitive lifeforms emerged from the primordial soup. We are all descended from those original forms. ALL of us -- all extent species, plant and animal. There need not have been a fresh round of natural creation for each species.

"The Structure of Evolutionary Theory"?

148 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:47:22pm

re: #125 realwest

Hey Jammie - Happy New Year to you!
You'd actually go to a Bosox-Yanks game in BOSTON?
You are a braver man than I am!

Hey, my friend, a happy new year to you.

Yes, I've done quite a few games at Fenway. I love the place. We have some good natured fun. Always plenty of Yankee fans there. Doesn't matter to me. I'll go to a Sox game against whoever. It's just a good time up there no matter who they're playing.

149 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:47:52pm

re: #140 Shay4l

[Link: www.stadiumsofnfl.com...]

wow! what a cool new park...but I hate the Gints

150 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:47:54pm

re: #143 realwest

"Reasonableness abounds tonight!" Must be all that New Years Eve good cheer! Happy New Year zombie!

Happy New Year back atcha!

151 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:12pm

re: #109 realwest

Hey Blue - do you mean an LGFer hasn't show up for his "shift" or a co-worker?

A co-worker. One of my underling minions. Now my boss is coming in to cover off. Needless to say that tonight is not going to go well for me. As well, I won't have access to the net when he arrives.

/I hate when my new years start crappy like this.

152 pink freud  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:26pm

Best wishes to all of you for a happy upcoming year! :-)

Thank you, Charles, for providing this rock-solid gathering place for us.

153 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:34pm

re: #147 FurryOldGuyJeans

"The Structure of Evolutionary Theory"?

Let me check!

154 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:49pm

WOw. Idiots abound at Kos. Pure, unadulterated idiocy. Traderjoe, you rock...hopefully you'll get through to even one of them. Keep civil, even when they do not. It's hard, I know. I pretty much quit debating moonbats of late. My temper is not controllable with them.

155 traderjoe9  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:49:39pm

re: #138 Taqiyyotomist

Does Kos ban diarists who write as you do? That is, something other than echoes...? I didn't realize that you'd even be allowd to post a second, let alone a third.

I'm sure a banning isn't too far away...I'll keep you updated.

156 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:49:42pm

re: #8 zombie

Stephen Jay Gould, despite being a hardcore leftist when it came to human politics, knew quite a thing or two about the scientific method.

[Link: www.nap.edu...]
Science, Evolution & Creation
free pdf download

awesome document AND I still think to myself, what a wonderful world!
Happy New Year, Zombie.

157 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:49:48pm

my good buddy Eagles fan says I evolved from a cockroach...can that be true?...what should I do?...oh my...

158 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:16pm

Weapons Hidden in Mosque Neutralized by Israel Air Force 31 Dec. 2008


Youtube Video
159 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:44pm

re: #110 traderjoe9

Anybody interested in a little readin...? Check out my article!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I can't get to the comments.

160 SurferDoc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:52pm

Happy New Year, Lizards! Two hours and ten minutes left of 2008 here in the Mojave. Ooorah!

161 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:54pm

re: #141 zombie
The Book of Life
By Stephen Jay Gould
[Link: books.google.com...]

162 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:02pm

re: #148 JammieWearingFool

Hey, my friend, a happy new year to you.

Yes, I've done quite a few games at Fenway. I love the place. We have some good natured fun. Always plenty of Yankee fans there. Doesn't matter to me. I'll go to a Sox game against whoever. It's just a good time up there no matter who they're playing.

Jammie -

And who - Pray Tell - will the 'SOX sell or Trade to the Yankees to renew THE CURSE?

-S-

163 Shay4l  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:03pm

Off to celebrate the Central time new year.

In the New Year, may your right hand always be stretched out in friendship but never in want.

164 traderjoe9  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:11pm

re: #154 Taqiyyotomist

WOw. Idiots abound at Kos. Pure, unadulterated idiocy. Traderjoe, you rock...hopefully you'll get through to even one of them. Keep civil, even when they do not. It's hard, I know. I pretty much quit debating moonbats of late. My temper is not controllable with them.

Thanks. Did you read the article?

I'm trying to stay civil...I'm trying to convince this guy that terrorists are actually...BAD!

165 Shug  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:23pm

re: #130 realwest

Hey Shug - I'm glad to hear 2008 was the best year of your life and hope that you're right about 2009! Happy New Year!

Same to you. Wishing you health and happiness for 2009.

remember that thing we did last year with the frequent flier miles?

Don't know how we pulled that off but it was great.

166 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:38pm

re: #148 JammieWearingFool I'd have to agree with you on that (though I've never had the guts to go there and cheer for the Yankess!) I have seen the Bosox play other teams there - it's a great old stadium with pretty good fans, too.
And I am NEVER gonna forgive the Yankees for tearing down the House That Ruth Built - even if it had been changed on the inside over the years, it was - and to me will always be - Yankee Stadium!

167 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:45pm

I'm going to risk a downding or twenty here.

Anyone ever read a big fat coffee-table book full of Salvador Dali's paintings, in chronological order? I have. It's interesting watching how they evolved over the years of his working life.

Goodnight all.

168 legalpad  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:52:08pm

I went to see Stephen Jay Gould back in 2000. I wanted to hear him talk about Biology. He made smug and moronic political remarks. Bored the hell out of me.

169 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:52:27pm

re: #147 FurryOldGuyJeans

"The Structure of Evolutionary Theory"?

No, it's not that one -- the one I[m thinking of was a hardcore science book, thousands of pages long, that was basically nothing but a chronological listing of all the branching points of evolution, starting at the present and going back and back and back.

170 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:52:45pm

re: #164 traderjoe9

Thanks. Did you read the article?

I'm trying to stay civil...I'm trying to convince this guy that terrorists are actually...BAD!

You would have more success trying to convince him that the moon is made of cheese and the sun can be switched on and off like a light bulb.

171 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:52:45pm

re: #152 pink freud

Best wishes to all of you for a happy upcoming year! :-)

Thank you, Charles, for providing this rock-solid gathering place for us.

Hear, hear! And: kudos to pink for an awesome nic

172 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:53:00pm

re: #151 BlueCanuck
Well hell Blue - look at it this way - your new year can only go up from here!

173 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:53:03pm

re: #116 JammieWearingFool

Now that would be cool, a game at Fenway. I suspect you're on to something there.

I'm planning one of my occasional trips to Fenway this spring. Just waiting on the schedule release to see if I can line up a Yankee game. Always a fun time.

There was some talk a few years ago of setting up a rink in Fenway and having the Michigan and Notre Dame hockey teams come out and play BC and BU, but nothing's come of that yet.

In all honesty, I think Kraft would be more willing to go along with an outdoor NHL game at Gillette than Henry or Lucchino would for one at Fenway. There's nothing wrong with that IMHO, but between the two, Fenway is more recognizable and centrally located (as a venue, Gillette would win hands-down for capacity, but it's roughly halfway between Boston and Providence).

Still, Red Sox management is known for encouraging 'overlap' in Boston/New England sports (having Bobby Orr, Bill Russel, Teddy Bruschi & Richard Seymour on hand for the 2005 Opening Day Ring ceremony or having members of last season's Celtics throw out the first pitch...). An outdoor Bruins game at Fenway would be the next logical step.

/But the opponent MUST be an original 6 team.

174 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:53:40pm

re: #164 traderjoe9

I scanned it, I admit. I have it bookmarked, and will keep reading the thread in the AM. (ok, LATER in the AM.) :)

I have firefox3 and I have no problem with getting to the comments. I wonder what the problem is for others here?

175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:53:42pm

re: #169 zombie

No, it's not that one -- the one I[m thinking of was a hardcore science book, thousands of pages long, that was basically nothing but a chronological listing of all the branching points of evolution, starting at the present and going back and back and back.

Here's wiki's listing of all of Gould's books.

176 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:53:44pm

re: #161 notutopia

The Book of Life
By Stephen Jay Gould
[Link: books.google.com...]

Nope. And it's not listed on Amazon, that I could see.

177 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:54:46pm

re: #157 albusteve

my good buddy Eagles fan says I evolved from a cockroach...can that be true?...what should I do?...oh my...

Okay, a hearty handshake to the first Lizard to name the novel, author and main character in which the protagonist slowly transforms into a cockroach...

heh. this'll take about 5...4...3...2...BINGO!

178 traderjoe9  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:55:24pm

re: #170 FurryOldGuyJeans

You would have more success trying to convince him that the moon is made of cheese and the sun can be switched on and off like a light bulb.

Some guy is trying to convince me that all Hamas wants is to live in peace...

179 jaunte  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:55:25pm

re: #176 zombie

You're not thinking of The Ancestor's Tale, are you?

180 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:55:35pm

Could it be Metamorphosis, by that one dude?

181 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:55:40pm

re: #177 Joan

Okay, a hearty handshake to the first Lizard to name the novel, author and main character in which the protagonist slowly transforms into a cockroach...

heh. this'll take about 5...4...3...2...BINGO!

Meta, meta, menta...aww nuts!

182 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:55:52pm

re: #158 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty - thanks for that great video and Happy New Year to you!
Say, how are those vicodin working for your pain?!

183 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:55:59pm

Problem is, I'm only 80% sure it was by Gould. I can't recall the name of the book for the life of me. And I of all people should know it.

184 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:56:02pm

Thinking thinking...
Now I know its time for bed.

185 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:56:32pm

re: #178 traderjoe9

Some guy is trying to convince me that all Hamas wants is to live in peace...

Definitely a "True Believer", *SPIT*

186 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:56:37pm

re: #182 realwest

Hey Dusty - thanks for that great video and Happy New Year to you!
Say, how are those vicodin working for your pain?!

Great, noticed how ad the typing was eh?:)

187 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:56:56pm

re: #168 legalpad

I went to see Stephen Jay Gould back in 2000. I wanted to hear him talk about Biology. He made smug and moronic political remarks. Bored the hell out of me.

He was terrible about politics, and not good with people.

But he was good as a scientist.

188 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:03pm

re: #183 zombie

Problem is, I'm only 80% sure it was by Gould. I can't recall the name of the book for the life of me. And I of all people should know it.

You're no help now! ;)

189 Sarge1984  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:06pm

re: #177 Joan

Metamorphasis, Franz Kafka, and...

Damn.

190 stuiec  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:08pm

As Mr. Spock said, "if I let go of a hammer on a planet that has positive gravity, I need not see it fall to know that it has, in fact, fallen."

191 traderjoe9  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:10pm

re: #174 Taqiyyotomist

I scanned it, I admit. I have it bookmarked, and will keep reading the thread in the AM. (ok, LATER in the AM.) :)

I have firefox3 and I have no problem with getting to the comments. I wonder what the problem is for others here?

Alright. Hope you enjoy it.

192 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:12pm

GREGOR!

193 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:16pm

re: #186 Dustyvet

Great, noticed how ad the typing was eh?:)

*bad* the typing was...:)

194 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:26pm

OK, New Year's resolutions, who's got 'em?

Mine is to move from the cold NE to the warm, sunny SW.

195 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:46pm

re: #165 Shug
How could I ever forget - you're the one who made it all possible!
A good thing we all did there my friend, a very good thing!

196 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:48pm

re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans

Here's wiki's listing of all of Gould's books.

Strangely, I don't see it there.

197 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:51pm

re: #190 stuiec

As Mr. Spock said, "if I let go of a hammer on a planet that has positive gravity, I need not see it fall to know that it has, in fact, fallen."

Link, please! ;)

198 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:57:57pm

Happy New Year everyone!

It's already Thursday morning (nearly 8:00) here in Israel.

Just wondering - did anyone nominate Lauren Booth for the Fiskie yet? (Lauren Booth is Tony Blair's moonbat sister-in-law who sailed into Gaza on the first 'mission of mercy,' stayed when the boat left and then made a big stink when Israel wouldn't let her cross its border).

199 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:58:02pm

re: #189 Sarge1984

Metamorphasis, Franz Kafka, and...

Damn.

Damn indeed. My brain is dead right now.

For the eighteenth time: Goodnight lizards!

200 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:58:09pm

re: #185 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pablo Escobar built housing and soccer fields for the poor in Medellin for idiotic chumps exactly like that one...

201 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:58:30pm

re: #110 traderjoe9

Anybody interested in a little readin...? Check out my article!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

That was interesting, wonder how Kos hasn't tossed you yet, Is "mick" Pat Buchanan?

202 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:58:30pm

re: #177 Joan

Okay, a hearty handshake to the first Lizard to name the novel, author and main character in which the protagonist slowly transforms into a cockroach...

heh. this'll take about 5...4...3...2...BINGO!

Um - I don't think they ever specifically name the bug, do they? but The Metamorphosis, Franz Kafka, Gregor. Yes? That one?

203 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:59:05pm

Is that Cynthia McKinney singing on Fox News?

204 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:59:19pm

re: #194 sngnsgt

OK, New Year's resolutions, who's got 'em?

Mine is to move from the cold NE to the warm, sunny SW.

I'm pretty secure there...but I hope to spend less time on plitical blogs

205 traderjoe9  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:59:25pm

re: #198 Carl in Jerusalem

Happy New Year everyone!

It's already Thursday morning (nearly 8:00) here in Israel.

Just wondering - did anyone nominate Lauren Booth for the Fiskie yet? (Lauren Booth is Tony Blair's moonbat sister-in-law who sailed into Gaza on the first 'mission of mercy,' stayed when the boat left and then made a big stink when Israel wouldn't let her cross its border).

Carl!

I love your blog!

If you don't mind, can you give me your opinion on the quality of my articles arguments?

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

You don't have to read this right now...you can respond later...hell you don't have to read it at all. Up to you.

Shana Tova!

206 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:59:31pm

re: #166 realwest

I'd have to agree with you on that (though I've never had the guts to go there and cheer for the Yankess!) I have seen the Bosox play other teams there - it's a great old stadium with pretty good fans, too.
And I am NEVER gonna forgive the Yankees for tearing down the House That Ruth Built - even if it had been changed on the inside over the years, it was - and to me will always be - Yankee Stadium!

realwest -

"OLD" Yankee Stadium, internally, is just over 20 years old. It took that long for the Steinbrunners to get the City to go along with what was their Original Plan. On this one - ED KOCH had the right Idea - MIKE BLOOMBERG - Not So Much.

-S-

207 legalpad  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:59:41pm

Happy New Year Central Time Zone! Whooppee!

208 Mardukhai  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:59:47pm

Danny Glover for idiotarian of 1967, for beating up my friends.

209 snowcrash  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:00:06pm

Happy New Year fellow Central Time Zone Lizards!

210 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:00:29pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

My hands automatically reached for a nearby dull, rusty butterknife to gouge out my eardrums at the combinations of the words 'Cyntia McKinney Singing'

211 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:01:02pm

Happy New Year Central Time Zone Lizards!
Happy 2009!

212 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:01:10pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

Is that Cynthia McKinney singing on Fox News?

If so, I'm glad I am not watching Fox News.

213 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:01:36pm

re: #121 albusteve

I dare you to convince me that I should even care...

I don't insist that you should care about anything. Though pursuit of the truth will ultimately benefit you as it has me.

214 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:01:52pm

re: #178 traderjoe9
Well y'all ought to ask him, if that's true, why does the Hamas Charter call for the destruction of Israel and all the Israelis?
And ya might want to study up by reading the still superb Nekamas's Troll Hammer (upper left under LGF Resources).

215 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:02:24pm

Benetton store torched in Iran over 'link with Zionist network'

216 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:03:39pm

Sorry to take a dump all over the party here, but I just wanted to let everyone know some good news and bad news:

Good news: Israeli government has been rejecting any cease fire initiatives by many countries and stated the operation will continue ramping up.

Bad news: Gilad Shalit isn't included in any part of any conditions, at all. Israel's conditions are to permanently stop the firing on Israel, and an international body, like that shitty toothless U.N "peace" force, to monitor smuggling and effectively bleed the terrorist organizations dry serve as their testicular slurpers. Basically applying 1701 peace in our time, again.

Happy new year.

217 traderjoe9  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:04:01pm

re: #214 realwest

Well y'all ought to ask him, if that's true, why does the Hamas Charter call for the destruction of Israel and all the Israelis?
And ya might want to study up by reading the still superb Nekamas's Troll Hammer (upper left under LGF Resources).

Yah I already asked him that...no response.

I'll check that out. Thanks.

218 Mardukhai  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:04:31pm

re: #202 Cattt Gregor Samsa, I think.

219 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:04:55pm

re: #186 Dustyvet
Actually no, no I didn't ("People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" ya know?) I was just curious to see if they'd really helped you with the pain.

220 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:05:02pm

re: #213 cincinnati_kid37

I don't insist that you should care about anything. Though pursuit of the truth will ultimately benefit you as it has me.

how so?...how will my existence be enrichened when I realize I'm decendent from branch of ancestor or another...how will I benefit?

221 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:05:11pm

re: #202 Cattt

Um - I don't think they ever specifically name the bug, do they? but The Metamorphosis, Franz Kafka, Gregor. Yes? That one?

Yes Kafka's Metamorphosis, one day you wake up and discover that you have become a Chicago politician.

222 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:05:32pm

re: #218 Mardukhai

Gregor Samsa, I think.

Yeah. Super depressing story.

223 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:05:41pm

re: #140 Shay4l

[Link: www.stadiumsofnfl.com...]

That looks like it. A few times I've sat in the upper end zone, next to last row. It appears by the design I'd at least be covered.

Here's a good piece on the bells and whistles.

I might be thinking ahead already but since they have at least one playoff game coming up it's never too late to think about "final" playoff games and all that at the current building. I'm just hoping that's next year at this time.

224 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:05:59pm

re: #204 albusteve

Ditto that, I resolve to spend less time in front of this thing in general.

225 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:05:59pm

re: #221 lifeofthemind

Yes Kafka's Metamorphosis, one day you wake up and discover that you have become a Chicago politician.

OMG - that would be much worse than a bug!

226 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:07:21pm

re: #224 sngnsgt

Ditto that, I resolve to spend less time in front of this thing in general.

I'm injured and cannot walk let alone work...what's your excuse?
:)

227 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:07:56pm

re: #133 zombie

Well, there ya go!

I think if most people who "don't believe in evolution" actually knew the facts of what was being disputed, they wouldn't "disbelieve" so vehemently. Reasonableness abounds tonight!

A small case in point. Otsie, the 'Iceman'. (Odd it's hard to find much on search on this man) was a carbon dated 5,000 year old human discovered on the mountain peaks betwen Italy and Switzerland(I believe) and the countries fought over ownership of his remains for a while..)

In any case, a 5000 yr old human, with a fine tailored leather 'suit', carrying a copper axe, bow and arrows, and medicinal herbs and mushrooms in his pouch. Though to be a flint tradesman travelling between villages on either side of Italy and Switzerland and killed by oden day muggers, he was anything but the drooling, bad toothed, hairy ape-ish 'caveman' that acadamia would have us believe.

228 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:07:57pm

re: #198 Carl in Jerusalem
Hey Carl! Happy New Year to you! I'm pretty sure she was indeed nominated several times!
BTW, I've been reading your blog, but for some reason Google/Blogger no longer reconizes my password, so I haven't left any comments there. But you're righting some great stuff!

229 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:08:02pm

Israel continues helping mankind...

'Young' blood may help cancer patients

TEL AVIV, Israel, Jan. 1 (UPI) -- Researches at Israel's Tel Aviv University have determined that transfusions of fresh blood can help a patient fight cancer.

Study leader Shamgar Ben-Eliyahu discovered that a transfusion of "young" blood -- blood stored for less than nine days -- increased the odds of survival in rats with leukemia and breast cancer.

The finding, reported in the journal Anesthesiology, may solve an age-old mystery as to why some blood transfusions during cancer-related surgeries may lead to an increased recurrence of cancer and others do not.

"There is anecdotal evidence pointing to the fact that some surgeons really prefer to use younger blood units. They insist on it. Our research shows their reasoning might be sound," Ben-Eliyahu said in a statement. The oldest blood in a blood bank usually sits on the shelf anywhere from 40 to 42 days before it expires.

The idea that transfusions of "older" blood may increase cancer metastasis remains controversial and negative effects might be limited to specific cancers or special circumstances, Ben-Eliyahu added.

230 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:09:00pm

re: #221 lifeofthemind

Yes Kafka's Metamorphosis, one day you wake up and discover that you have become a Chicago politician.

A cockroach would be a major karmic up-ding from a Chicago politico.

231 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:09:21pm

Remember the Star Trek NG episode where Captain Picard almost screws up the primordial soup?

232 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:09:53pm

re: #230 FurryOldGuyJeans

A cockroach would be a major karmic up-ding from a Chicago politico.

HAHA!...

233 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:10:18pm

re: #231 Cattt

Remember the Star Trek NG episode where Captain Picard almost screws up the primordial soup?

Last episode. "All Good Things".

/my god, I can't believe that I knew that off the top of my head. . . .

234 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:10:36pm

My Siamese thinks I bought the heating pad for him (it came today from Amazon). He's sitting on it and looking at me like I'm the goddess of all good things.

235 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:10:59pm

re: #141 zombie

Stephen Jay Gould wrote a great book, whose name eludes me at the moment, which explains in perfect detail how each phylum and each genera etc. branched off from each other, going back to the very beginning. If everybody read and understood this book, it would defuse about 90% of the arguments.

Only one (or perhaps a very few) original ultra-primitive lifeforms emerged from the primordial soup. We are all descended from those original forms. ALL of us -- all extent species, plant and animal. There need not have been a fresh round of natural creation for each species.

If you say so. Believe what you will. It's not my intention to change your mind. We are simply discussing. After all, 'I' wasn't there.

But I also don't believe much of what is accepted as fact today, just as many people should not have accepted as fact a mere few hundred years ago.

236 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:11:13pm

re: #227 cincinnati_kid37

A small case in point. Otsie, the 'Iceman'. (Odd it's hard to find much on search on this man) was a carbon dated 5,000 year old human discovered on the mountain peaks betwen Italy and Switzerland(I believe) and the countries fought over ownership of his remains for a while..)

In any case, a 5000 yr old human, with a fine tailored leather 'suit', carrying a copper axe, bow and arrows, and medicinal herbs and mushrooms in his pouch. Though to be a flint tradesman travelling between villages on either side of Italy and Switzerland and killed by oden day muggers, he was anything but the drooling, bad toothed, hairy ape-ish 'caveman' that acadamia would have us believe.

You need to do a lot more reading if you think any reputable scientist says people were Neanderthalic 5,000 years ago. That is just so much BS.

237 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:11:28pm

re: #233 BlueCanuck

Last episode. "All Good Things".

/my god, I can't believe that I knew that off the top of my head. . . .

That's so freaky. I forgot the name of the episode, but I just used that exact phrase. Synchronicity city.

238 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:11:40pm

re: #234 Cattt

My Siamese thinks I bought the heating pad for him (it came today from Amazon). He's sitting on it and looking at me like I'm the goddess of all good things.


My Cat Tiger does the same with heating pad, and a hot water bottle...:)

239 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:11:42pm

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

There was some talk a few years ago of setting up a rink in Fenway and having the Michigan and Notre Dame hockey teams come out and play BC and BU, but nothing's come of that yet.

In all honesty, I think Kraft would be more willing to go along with an outdoor NHL game at Gillette than Henry or Lucchino would for one at Fenway. There's nothing wrong with that IMHO, but between the two, Fenway is more recognizable and centrally located (as a venue, Gillette would win hands-down for capacity, but it's roughly halfway between Boston and Providence).

Still, Red Sox management is known for encouraging 'overlap' in Boston/New England sports (having Bobby Orr, Bill Russel, Teddy Bruschi & Richard Seymour on hand for the 2005 Opening Day Ring ceremony or having members of last season's Celtics throw out the first pitch...). An outdoor Bruins game at Fenway would be the next logical step.

/But the opponent MUST be an original 6 team.

Of course it would have to be an Original Six. It just wouldn't have the same effect at Foxboro. An NHL game at Fenway, now that would be an event.. Heck, I've spent enough New Year's in New England (including the dreaded Y2K), I would definitely do a hockey game at Fenway if only for the historical significance.

240 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:11:46pm

zombie, was wondering if you had seen this:
JEW HATE IN SF: DEMONSTRATION IN FRONT OF THE ISRAELI CONSULATE TUESDAY DECEMBER 30, 2008

Must read for you. Found while checking the liveblogging at Muqata.

-Taq

241 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:13:15pm

bbq lit.

242 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:13:33pm

re: #198 Carl in Jerusalem
BTW, didja have a chance to read the comments here on William Sieghart, idiot academist or whatever the hell he's supposed to be?

243 Catttt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:14:22pm

re: #241 Erik The Red

bbq lit.

bbq lit? Different from English lit, I assume? Oh, great. Now I'm hungry.

244 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:15:09pm

re: #240 Taqiyyotomist

zombie, was wondering if you had seen this:
JEW HATE IN SF: DEMONSTRATION IN FRONT OF THE ISRAELI CONSULATE TUESDAY DECEMBER 30, 2008

Must read for you. Found while checking the liveblogging at Muqata.

-Taq

Thanks for the link. Reading it now.

I knew about the protest, but couldn't go myself due to family responsibilities.

245 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:15:23pm

re: #239 JammieWearingFool

Of course it would have to be an Original Six. It just wouldn't have the same effect at Foxboro. An NHL game at Fenway, now that would be an event.. Heck, I've spent enough New Year's in New England (including the dreaded Y2K), I would definitely do a hockey game at Fenway if only for the historical significance.

who's the Original 6?

246 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:15:41pm

re: #238 Dustyvet

My Cat Tiger does the same with heating pad, and a hot water bottle...:)

My punkin'pie kitty nags me to turn in, starting at 9 pm, because cat's know what's what...Land's End: heated mattress pad...ahh...

247 jaunte  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:15:53pm

re: #240 Taqiyyotomist

Good link; I hope someone was at the scene with a camera.

"The anti-Israel side had one slogan in English, and several more in Arabic.

The English-language slogan: "Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea" - which frankly states the intent to destroy the Jewish state and ethnically cleanse the land.

The Arabic slogans: "Itbach al Yahud" (slaughter the Jews), "Falastin balad'na w'al Yahud qalab'na" (Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs), "ba ruh, ba dam, nafdeek ya Falastin" (with our soul, with our blood, we will cleanse you oh Palestine), "al mawt al Yahud" (death to the Jews), "Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud, jaish-Muhammad saya'ud" (Khaybar Khaybar oh Jews, the army of Muhammad will return)."


[Link: atthebackofthehill.blogspot.com...]

248 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:16:03pm

re: #206 Dr. Shalit
Hey - when Mike Bloomberg DOES have a good idea, let me know, will ya?!

249 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:17:24pm

re: #239 JammieWearingFool

Weather would be much more hit-or-miss in Boston than it would for Chicago or Buffalo. For a couple of days last week it was in the 50's and raining steadily...I imagine that would play havoc with some of the preperations if an outdoor game was being held in those conditions.

250 neapoi  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:17:50pm

What a wonderful quote. I think I just might try to read more of that.

251 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:17:53pm

re: #75 Salem

No, apes evolved from men and back again. It's a madhouse, A MADHOUSE!

'"it yer hands OFF me, you damned Dirty Ape!"

252 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:17:55pm

Siamese Kitten Warms Up on a Heating Pad


Youtube Video
253 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:18:52pm

re: #207 legalpad

re: #209 snowcrash

Happy New Year to you both and to all Central Time LGFer's!

254 angrymimi  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:19:08pm

Just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in AND say Happy New Year's to all!

255 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:19:18pm

re: #244 zombie

Just finished it. My blood boils.

The anti-Israel side had one slogan in English, and several more in Arabic.

The English-language slogan: "Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea" - which frankly states the intent to destroy the Jewish state and ethnically cleanse the land.

The Arabic slogans: "Itbach al Yahud" (slaughter the Jews), "Falastin balad'na w'al Yahud qalab'na" (Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs), "ba ruh, ba dam, nafdeek ya Falastin" (with our soul, with our blood, we will cleanse you oh Palestine), "al mawt al Yahud" (death to the Jews), "Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud, jaish-Muhammad saya'ud" (Khaybar Khaybar oh Jews, the army of Muhammad will return).

[That last slogan refers to the battle of Khaybar where the prophet Muhammad opportunistically attacked and slaughtered the Jews who had been hospitable to another Arab tribe. The subsequent sacking of Khaybar by Muhammad's forces re-energized the brigands who had flocked to his cause, and persuaded several Bedouin tribes to join Muhammad's forces in hopes of fun and profit.]

2009 oughta be a fun year. I will have pro-Israel clothing soon. I have no car for bumper-stickers, so my person will have to suffice. Come try to deface me, you f&&ks.
-Taq

256 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:19:23pm

re: #231 Cattt

Remember the Star Trek NG episode where Captain Picard almost screws up the primordial soup?

Actually he did screw it up such that the amino acids didn't combine. It didn't help having Q with him, who did stick his hand in the "goo", and a huge backwards expanding anomaly, though.

And it was the series finale episode.

257 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:19:24pm

How about this?
I like the concept.

258 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:19:47pm

re: #245 albusteve

who's the Original 6?


From the 1930s to 1967, there were only 6 NHL franchises- the Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks, New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs and Montreal Canadiens. Now there's 30 teams, but the Six aforementioned teams are still in existence and referred to as the Original 6.

259 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:20:57pm

re: #244 zombie

Thanks for the link. Reading it now.

I knew about the protest, but couldn't go myself due to family responsibilities.

There is a big article about it on PJM, see my #372 last thread.

260 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:21:12pm

re: #236 FurryOldGuyJeans

You need to do a lot more reading if you think any reputable scientist says people were Neanderthalic 5,000 years ago. That is just so much BS.

Neanderthal and caveman are two distinctly different lines

261 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:21:16pm

re: #258 Fenway_Nation

From the 1930s to 1967, there were only 6 NHL franchises- the Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks, New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs and Montreal Canadiens. Now there's 30 teams, but the Six aforementioned teams are still in existence and referred to as the Original 6.

That's only 5.

262 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:22:00pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan
Hey, Happy New Year to you - a happier one than last year, for sure!
Have y'all noticed that when Shortshit called on all Muslims to join in jumping up and down on Israel, the response was pretty much *crickets*?

263 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:23:02pm

re: #258 Fenway_Nation

From the 1930s to 1967, there were only 6 NHL franchises- the Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks, New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs and Montreal Canadiens. Now there's 30 teams, but the Six aforementioned teams are still in existence and referred to as the Original 6.

I dont follow hockey but have a regard for tradition...those are storied franchises...icons...pretty cool

264 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:23:16pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan


Left out that other team from the midwest...the Flint Flywheels or something.

265 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:23:30pm

re: #260 cincinnati_kid37

Neanderthal and caveman are two distinctly different lines

You just described Neanderthalic though, so I still say you need to do a lot of reading about what truly is the state of the science. No reputable scientist would ever say 5,000 years ago man was anything but essentially modern man.

266 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:24:09pm

re: #202 Cattt

Um - I don't think they ever specifically name the bug, do they? but The Metamorphosis, Franz Kafka, Gregor. Yes? That one?

Allow me to shake your hand, Cattt! Yes! and, it was a trick question: the bug and Gregor are one and the same. The horror, the horror!

267 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:24:09pm

re: #262 realwest

Hey, Happy New Year to you - a happier one than last year, for sure!
Have y'all noticed that when Shortshit called on all Muslims to join in jumping up and down on Israel, the response was pretty much *crickets*?

LOL...None of them like Iran. I bet they would love to see Israel destroy Iranian nuke sites.

268 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:24:36pm

re: #262 realwest

The cartoon riots were planned months in advance. Give it time. Maybe Euro cities will burn again this summer. Most likely. In all probability. And it will be billed as "spontaneous", per usual, by the world's deceived/deceivers, the MSM.

269 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:24:41pm

Hamas Official: We Didn't Fire Rockets Into Israel, Collaborators With Israel Did.

Anybody seen my hip waders...Hamas bull shit is getting deep...

270 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:25:11pm
271 Joan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:25:26pm

re: #218 Mardukhai

Gregor Samsa, I think.

Wow! you get extra hearty handshake for getting first and last name.

272 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:25:39pm

re: #269 Dustyvet

Hamas Official: We Didn't Fire Rockets Into Israel, Collaborators With Israel Did.

Anybody seen my hip waders...Hamas bull shit is getting deep...

Getting deep?!? Been deep for years.

273 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:25:40pm

re: #148 JammieWearingFool

Hey, my friend, a happy new year to you.

Yes, I've done quite a few games at Fenway. I love the place. We have some good natured fun. Always plenty of Yankee fans there. Doesn't matter to me. I'll go to a Sox game against whoever. It's just a good time up there no matter who they're playing.

Went to Fenway once for a bar mitzvah party. Very nice park.

274 Inquisitive  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:25:56pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

That's only 5.


St Louis Blues is considered one of the 6

275 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:26:13pm

I mean, you can't give every Muslim male in Europe a molotov in 2 days. Come on! Logistics, planning. Sign-printing.

276 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:26:18pm

re: #272 FurryOldGuyJeans

Getting deep?!? Been deep for years.

Oh sorry I've been away...:)

277 Inquisitive  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:28:10pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

That's only 5.

Sorry...meant to say in last post...he forgot the Blues...they are considered on of the 6

278 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:30:10pm

The Original Six is a well-known term for the group of six teams that composed the National Hockey League (NHL) for the 25 seasons between the 1942-43 season and the 1967 NHL Expansion. The name is something of a misnomer, since there were other NHL franchises which went defunct before 1942. Only two of the six teams were members of the NHL in the inaugural 1917-18 season, but all six do date from the NHL's first decade, and predate the other 24 teams currently in the league by over forty years.

The Original Six teams are:

* Montreal Canadiens (founded 1909; charter member of the NHL in 1917)
* Toronto Maple Leafs (original Toronto franchise was charter member of the NHL in 1917; renamed Maple Leafs in 1927)
* Boston Bruins (founded 1924)
* New York Rangers (founded 1925)
* Detroit Red Wings (founded 1926)
* Chicago Blackhawks (founded 1926, known as the "Black Hawks" throughout the period)

279 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:30:18pm

re: #274 Inquisitive

St Louis Blues is considered one of the 6

Nope the missing team is the Detroit Redwings. Couple years ago they actually did an original six train travel. All the orginal six travelled from game to game by train, like they did back in the original era.

280 avanti  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:31:22pm

Interesting tie in with evolution and the search for E.T. Even if there are billions of planets the are habitable, life would have evolved only on some. Then,over billions of years some may have dies off. Also, evolution does not need to favor intelligent life, the cockroach and shark are very successful species that have changed little in millions of years.
It's a lucky accident that we have both a big brain and are able to make and use tools.

281 Copano_Texian  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:31:26pm

Happy New Year to all!
This open thread and the thoughts about evolution Vs. creationism made me think of Joseph Campbell's works, and a passage from the book "Thou Art That". Talking about an exchange he had with a radio host, Campbell says,"It made me reflect that half the people in the world think the metaphors of their religious traditions, for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies."
I don't believe in Christian, or Jewish dogma, but I try to take the good lessons from their traditions. I would hope that those who identify with religion could try to look at the world without using the filter of their religious beliefs. Science does not need to be filtered when it uncovers realities like our obvious evolution and connections to other animals. But just as you shouldn't throw out science for religion, I think it's a mistake to throw out religion for science.
Learn all you can, and respect others who show respect you. To all who come to this page, or keep it going, giving us so much knowledge and a place to learn and share, good luck in the new year, and may all the gods bring you many blessings.

282 Inquisitive  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:31:56pm

re: #279 BlueCanuck

Nope the missing team is the Detroit Redwings. Couple years ago they actually did an original six train travel. All the orginal six travelled from game to game by train, like they did back in the original era.

Yep...Looked back at the dates first poster listed...and blues did not start until 1967...yep I missed on that one

283 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:32:05pm

re: #279 BlueCanuck

Some Major League Baseball teams in the Northeast still do.

284 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:32:13pm

re: #226 albusteve

I'm injured and cannot walk let alone work...what's your excuse?
:)

I'm on disability because of my Epilepsy and can't work, that doesn't mean I can't find something more constructive to do than sit behind this thing.

285 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:32:15pm

re: #247 jaunte

Good link; I hope someone was at the scene with a camera.


[Link: atthebackofthehill.blogspot.com...]

Read the wiki regarding the chant and see the discussions tab.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

286 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:32:17pm

A ten-team league in the 1920s, the NHL had a period of retrenchment during the Great Depression, losing the Pittsburgh Pirates, Ottawa Senators, and Montreal Maroons in succession to financial pressures. The New York Americans – one of the league's original expansion franchises, along with the Bruins and Maroons – lasted longer, but World War II provided its own economic strains and also severely depleted the league's Canadian player base, since Canada entered the war in September 1939 and many players left for military or naval service. The Americans suspended operations in the fall of 1942, leaving the NHL with just six teams. Despite various efforts to initiate expansion after the war, including attempted restarts of the Maroons and Americans franchises, the league's membership would remain at six teams for the next twenty-five seasons.

287 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:32:43pm

Happy New Year, Lizards!

Oh, that shooting I ran out to a few hours ago? Pronounced:

NORTH PHILADELPHIA - December 31, 2008 (WPVI) -- Police are investigating a homicide in North Philadelphia on New Year's Eve.

It happened at 25th and Clearfield Streets around 7:30 p.m. Wednesday.

Police say a 34-year-old man was shot in the head.

He was taken to Temple University Hospital where he was pronounced dead.

I believe the victim was the last of 2008. Our 333rd of the year.

288 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:33:45pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

re: #279 BlueCanuck


I wonder if that was voluntary on my part. My obnoxious pseudo brother-in-law is a HUGE Red Wings (and Broncos- go figure) fan.

289 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:33:56pm

re: #287 Wyatt Earp

Happy New Year, Lizards!

Oh, that shooting I ran out to a few hours ago? Pronounced:

NORTH PHILADELPHIA - December 31, 2008 (WPVI) -- Police are investigating a homicide in North Philadelphia on New Year's Eve.

It happened at 25th and Clearfield Streets around 7:30 p.m. Wednesday.

Police say a 34-year-old man was shot in the head.

He was taken to Temple University Hospital where he was pronounced dead.

I believe the victim was the last of 2008. Our 333rd of the year.

A grim statistic, something no one should be.

290 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:34:07pm

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan
Hey, I have no doubt AT ALL that the would all like to see Israel destroy Iranian nuke sites.
After all, Iranians ARE Persians, not Arabs!

291 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:34:09pm

re: #287 Wyatt Earp

Glad your safely back.

Happy New Year!

292 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:34:37pm

re: #284 sngnsgt

I'm on disability because of my Epilepsy and can't work, that doesn't mean I can't find something more constructive to do than sit behind this thing.

sorry to hear that...there is alot to learn and many things to accomplish for people like us!...lets do it!

293 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:34:49pm

re: #289 FurryOldGuyJeans

A grim statistic, something no one should be.

Agreed, but we're down about 60 from last year. The snark in me would attribute that to less people in the city because of last year's number, but . . .

294 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:35:14pm

re: #291 NJDhockeyfan

Glad your safely back.

Happy New Year!

And to you, too! Watching the Winter Classic tomorrow?

295 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:35:30pm

re: #268 Taqiyyotomist
Good very well be true, but I just have a gut feeling that that kinda shit by the yutes won't go over so big in France this year - and I doubt Merkel would tolerate that crap in Germany, either.

296 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:35:42pm

re: #18 Erik The Red

It's New Year. This thread should bring out the freaks and night walkers.

It taken 280 odd comments but here they come.

297 CalBear84  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:35:48pm

Happy 2009 to all!
2008 was a good year (stock market a notable exception).
How nice it is to have a refuge of sanity like LGF.
As we say goodbye to 2008, I offer thanks to President George W. Bush for protecting our greatest nation on Earth from the wrath of Islam.
Let's keep the faith in 2009 and remember that Americans are the toughest, bravest, most charitable people in the history of the world.
See you all in '09...

298 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:35:49pm

re: #287 Wyatt Earp

Happy New Year, Lizards!

Oh, that shooting I ran out to a few hours ago? Pronounced:

NORTH PHILADELPHIA - December 31, 2008 (WPVI) -- Police are investigating a homicide in North Philadelphia on New Year's Eve. It happened at 25th and Clearfield Streets around 7:30 p.m. Wednesday. Police say a 34-year-old man was shot in the head. He was taken to Temple University Hospital where he was pronounced dead. I believe the victim was the last of 2008. Our 333rd of the year.

Well, the Colorado Department of Transportation predicted 12 traffic deaths due to drunk driver this New Years Eve, and so far there has been 5.

Come on folks, you're not trying

299 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:35:50pm

re: #293 Wyatt Earp

Agreed, but we're down about 60 from last year. The snark in me would attribute that to less people in the city because of last year's number, but . . .

it's the Curse of Billy Penn...

300 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:35:57pm

:yawn: eh :snort: wuzzat? Um, uh :rubs eyes: Happy New Year, Lizards!

:glug, glug, thud:

301 Gearhead  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:36:35pm

Headline from Drudge:

Americans Under 70 May Find 2008 Was Their Least Favorite Year...

No shit.

Bye bye 2008. Good riddance.

302 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:36:46pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Colorado Department of Transportation predicted 12 traffic deaths due to drunk driver this New Years Eve, and so far there has been 5.

Come on folks, you're not trying

5 is bad enough.

303 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:37:18pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Colorado Department of Transportation predicted 12 traffic deaths due to drunk driver this New Years Eve, and so far there has been 5.

Come on folks, you're not trying

Five, TONIGHT? Jesus!

304 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:37:36pm

re: #274 Inquisitive
I thought the Detroit Red Wings were one of the original 6?

305 Opilio  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:38:22pm

re: #244 zombie

Thanks for the link. Reading it now.

I knew about the protest, but couldn't go myself due to family responsibilities.

Zombies have families?

Who knew?

306 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:38:24pm

23 minutes to 2009 in Salt Lake City. Happy New Year, Lizardia!

Youtube Video

(Yes, the video says 2007. To it I say, feh.)

307 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:38:31pm

re: #292 albusteve

Thanks, sounds like a plan! Happy and prosperous new year to you!

308 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:38:54pm

re: #301 Gearhead

Headline from Drudge:

No shit.

Bye bye 2008. Good riddance.

I suspect that people will quite soon be looking back at 2008 as not all that bad in comparison to 2009 and beyond.

309 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:39:16pm

re: #304 realwest

I thought the Detroit Red Wings were one of the original 6?

They are. Montreal, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, NY Rangers, Toronto.

310 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:39:28pm

re: #294 Wyatt Earp

And to you, too! Watching the Winter Classic tomorrow?

You bet! I wish I could go. Stuck in Virginia.

311 Gearhead  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:39:30pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

Well, the Colorado Department of Transportation predicted 12 traffic deaths due to drunk driver this New Years Eve, and so far there has been 5.

Come on folks, you're not trying

That's why I chose to stay home and play with my Wii.

312 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:39:31pm

re: #287 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt! Happy New Year to you! Was 333 more or less than in 2007?

313 Inquisitive  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:39:32pm

re: #304 realwest

I thought the Detroit Red Wings were one of the original 6?

They were...I was corrected in an earlier post...I went back and looked at the dates...Blues didn't start until 1967...

314 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:39:44pm

re: #309 Wyatt Earp

They are. Montreal, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, NY Rangers, Toronto.

PFFFT! Sports! PAGH! ;)

315 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:40:32pm

re: #302 FurryOldGuyJeans

5 is bad enough.

predicting holliday drunk driving deaths...what a morbid preoccupation...is someone actually paid to do this?...hahaha!

316 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:41:04pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! Happy New Year to you!

317 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:41:25pm

re: #305 Opilio

Zombies have families?

Who knew?

Sure they do...their all family. Didn't you see Dawn of the Dead?

318 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:41:31pm

re: #308 FurryOldGuyJeans

At least the next 4 beyond for sure.

319 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:41:37pm

re: #312 realwest

Howdy Wyatt! Happy New Year to you! Was 333 more or less than in 2007?

About 60 less. Still too many, though. Happy New Year to you, too sir!

320 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:41:37pm

There are pics of burning cars in Strasbourg's western suburb of Hautepierre from REUTERS/Jean Marc Loos at Yahoo news. Seems weird to me there's not some explanation for the fires. Seems like an interesting way to celebrate the new year. Some of the other pics are weird too ... it's a pictorial from Yahoo of various happenings around the world over the last few hours relating to the new year. It sorta looks like Yahoo news is for idiots and children.

321 Gearhead  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:41:48pm

re: #308 FurryOldGuyJeans

I suspect that people will quite soon be looking back at 2008 as not all that bad in comparison to 2009 and beyond.

I may one day look back on it as "the good old days". My kids are young and healthy; my last remaining grandparent is still living. But, geez, it's been a rough one. I'm ready for the new year.

322 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:42:00pm

re: #315 albusteve

predicting holliday drunk driving deaths...what a morbid preoccupation...is someone actually paid to do this?...hahaha!

Insurance companies do it, but when the state does it the whole idea takes on a much more sinister pallor.

323 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:42:29pm

re: #295 realwest

I hope you're right.

324 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:42:33pm

re: #311 Gearhead

That's why I chose to stay home and play with my Wii.

I heard that makes hair grow on the back of your hand.

325 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:42:40pm

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

You bet! I wish I could go. Stuck in Virginia.

Me, too. No way the game beats last year's. But if it snows in Chi-Twon tomorrow, that would be sweet!

I like the idea they bandied around of having the Flyers and Pens play at Beaver Stadium at Penn State. I'd go to that.

326 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:43:45pm

Stay safe, folks. Friends don't let friends drive drunk.

327 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:43:49pm

re: #313 Inquisitive
Yeah, sorry, but I typed and posted my comment before the seeing the comments in between!

328 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:43:59pm

Happy New Year, everyone! May you all have the best year ever!

I am off to sleep at a semi-reasonable hour (for me) as it is the only New Year's resolution I made. I should be able to keep it for, oh, about 3 days at the most...if I'm lucky!

329 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:44:12pm

RoP in action (again)...

Hamas Suicide Bombers Intentionally Targets Civilians

Liveleak Video
330 snowcrash  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:44:33pm

re: #320 Fearless Fred
A New Years eve car-b-que. Just youths having fun.

331 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:44:36pm

re: #327 realwest

Yeah, sorry, but I typed and posted my comment before the seeing the comments in between!

Hard to keep up with the lizardoid army, ain't it? ;)

332 Gearhead  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:44:52pm

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan

I heard that makes hair grow on the back of your hand.

Yeah, but it gets me off the couch and gets my heart pumping.

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:45:24pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

RoP in action (again)...

Hamas Suicide Bombers Intentionally Targets Civilians


[Video]

Those weren't civilians; them was jooos!

///

334 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:45:28pm

re: #322 FurryOldGuyJeans

Insurance companies do it, but when the state does it the whole idea takes on a much more sinister pallor.

well your right of course and profit/loss must be determined to assure investments etc...I'm a hayseed

335 Inquisitive  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:46:49pm

re: #327 realwest

Yeah, sorry, but I typed and posted my comment before the seeing the comments in between!

That's quite okay...
and by the way HAPPY NEW YEAR...to all. It is good to be back here at LGF...I had alot to do this month...so I made myself stay away from here...once I come here...it's just hard to get away, if you know what I mean...LOL

336 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:47:12pm

Thats the second time I've tried to watch a liveleak vid through LGF, and had to CTRL-ALT-DEL my locked-up browser. Guess I won't be watching liveleak vids here.

337 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:47:53pm

re: #323 Taqiyyotomist
Yeah, me too - it would be nice to see the Europeans grown some balls, ya know. But thats more of a hope of mine, rather than an educated guess.

338 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:48:19pm

Be nice to see the whole world grow some.

339 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:49:01pm

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan
No it doesn't! That's just silly.
It makes ya go blind!

340 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:49:15pm

re: #280 avanti

It's a lucky accident that we have both a big brain and are able to make and use tools.

We are also unlucky in that our intelligence has enabled us to invent tools, such as nuclear weapons or genetically engineered viruses, which just might cause our extinction. Intelligence is no guarantee of successful evolution.

On that cheery note, Happy New Year to all my LGF friends. Best wishes for 2009!

341 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:49:16pm

Sleep well, all, and dream of large women.

342 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:49:57pm

OT. Here I am sitting with my husband on New year's Eve watching TV in the near suburbs of Obama land and there is only one station carrying the local "celebrations". And that station, channel 7 ABC, has only shown a few parties, one at a casino in Indiana and one at a club in another suburb of Chicago. Past years the same station has shown several parties throughout Chicago. Wouldn't you think in the "New Year of Obama" this city, of all, would be celebrating like there's no tomorrow? Just curious.

343 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:50:18pm

got my Stoeger washed up...a few chrysanthemum rounds, a box of repeater cakes and a whole bunch of valley behind me...I get to celebrate New Years just like those maniacs in the ME!

344 melinwy  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:51:16pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

bastards

345 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:51:34pm

re: #341 Taqiyyotomist

Sleep well, all, and dream of large women.

Are you calling all of us Fezzik?!? ;)

346 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:51:36pm

Those without an itch don't know the joys of scratchin'.
/G'nite, y'all
//Happy new year
///Cheers

347 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:51:48pm

re: #333 FurryOldGuyJeans

Those weren't civilians; them was jooos!

///

Strasbourg has history with Jews too ... (I still can't find anything about the cars burning) ...

A revolution in 1332 resulted in a broad-based city government with participation of the guilds, and Strasbourg declared itself a free republic. The murderous bubonic plague of 1348 was followed on February 14, 1349 by one of the first and worst pogroms in pre-modern history: several hundred Jews were publicly burnt to death, and the rest of them expelled from the city.[10] Until the end of the 18th century, Jews were forbidden to remain in town after 10 pm. The time to leave the city was signaled by a municipal herald blowing the Grüselhorn (see below, Museums, Musée historique)[11]; a high-pitched Cathedral bell still rings today. A special tax, the Pflastergeld (pavement money) was furthermore to be paid for any horse that a Jew would ride or bring into the city while allowed to[12].

~~wiki

348 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:51:59pm

Nite lizards...time for bed.

349 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:52:10pm

re: #344 melinwy

bastards

Nothing new about Hamas, though.

350 Sarge1984  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:52:26pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

Weet dreams, Killgore. And happy New Year.

351 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:53:12pm

OK, just for edification, the Original Six are

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

352 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:53:19pm

re: #316 realwest

Hi Walter! Happy New Year to you!

I Real, a happy new year to you. I just got in from work. We had a rental tonight at the theatre, a comedy-troupe that writes bawdy adult comedies, complete with gays, lesbians and all sort of in between. The name of the show was...

The Shaming of the True... a western about the Fartwright Brothers on the Pound-his-rosa in a gay part of the wild west.

It was a fund raiser for a charity, and they do a show like this in a different theatre every year. We make money, they make money and the charity makes money and the people have some bawdy fun. Think Bennie Hill but a little raunchier.

We also supply two tables of food and free champaign. They were gone by 10:30, too till about 11:30 for 3 of us to clean up.

This coming Sat. we have a concert, younger folks, sold out and then on Jan 7th, we start our new season with the regional premier of Irish Playwright Conner Mcpherson's new play "Shining City."

And that will run 6 weeks.

So not much happy tonight, making others happy. You all make me happy.

353 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:53:51pm

The time to leave the city was signaled by a municipal herald blowing the Grüselhorn...

Not many people playing the Grüselhorn these days.

354 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:55:31pm

re: #353 Taqiyyotomist

The gruselhorn was never as popular as the sackbut.

355 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:55:42pm

re: #331 FurryOldGuyJeans
Hard, try impossible for me!

356 Macker  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:56:28pm

Happy New Year! WOO-HOOO!

357 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:56:34pm

re: #342 Hobbes

OT. Here I am sitting with my husband on New year's Eve watching TV in the near suburbs of Obama land and there is only one station carrying the local "celebrations". And that station, channel 7 ABC, has only shown a few parties, one at a casino in Indiana and one at a club in another suburb of Chicago. Past years the same station has shown several parties throughout Chicago. Wouldn't you think in the "New Year of Obama" this city, of all, would be celebrating like there's no tomorrow? Just curious.

Watch what you wish for ... they could be burning cars.
// Maybe lefties aren't so happy with O so far ... that's what Walter E. Williams said today.

358 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:57:00pm

re: #354 Kenneth

The gruselhorn was never as popular as the sackbut.

You guys sure would make a lot of San Franciscans happy. ;)

359 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:58:01pm

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan
Goodnight - sleep well!

360 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:58:14pm
361 Gearhead  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:58:35pm

re: #352 Walter L. Newton

I Real, a happy new year to you. I just got in from work. We had a rental tonight at the theatre, a comedy-troupe that writes bawdy adult comedies, complete with gays, lesbians and all sort of in between. The name of the show was...

The Shaming of the True... a western about the Fartwright Brothers on the Pound-his-rosa in a gay part of the wild west.

It was a fund raiser for a charity, and they do a show like this in a different theatre every year. We make money, they make money and the charity makes money and the people have some bawdy fun. Think Bennie Hill but a little raunchier.

We also supply two tables of food and free champaign. They were gone by 10:30, too till about 11:30 for 3 of us to clean up.

This coming Sat. we have a concert, younger folks, sold out and then on Jan 7th, we start our new season with the regional premier of Irish Playwright Conner Mcpherson's new play "Shining City."

And that will run 6 weeks.

So not much happy tonight, making others happy. You all make me happy.

Happy New Year, Walter. If you ever make it to Montgomery, there'll be two tickets to the Alabama Shakespeare Festival waiting on you.

362 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:58:39pm

re: #355 realwest

Hard, try impossible for me!

I just left the draft drag me along as the train goes speeding through the tunnel. ;)

363 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:58:52pm

Very interesting.
Translated page on the very Shofar-like Gruselhorn.

364 snowcrash  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:59:01pm

My 16 year old son just made it home before curfew. I can sleep now. Goodnight and Happy New Year fellow lizards.

365 Macker  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:59:42pm

re: #357 Fearless Fred

Watch what you wish for ... they could be burning cars.
// Maybe lefties aren't so happy with O so far ... that's what Walter E. Williams said today.

Wouldn't this qualify for schadenfreude?

366 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:59:49pm

re: #357 Fearless Fred

Watch what you wish for ... they could be burning cars.
// Maybe lefties aren't so happy with O so far ... that's what Walter E. Williams said today.

I missed Walter today. Forgot he was going to be fill-in for Rush. Damn. Usually like what he has to say. What's the word with Walter?

367 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:00:53pm

re: #352 Walter L. Newton
Well I'm glad we make you happy Walter and hey - all that work is sorta like job security for you if that programmers job doesn't eventuate, right?

368 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:01:25pm

Unlike Obama, Walter E. Williams is actually black. Also, I would vote for him for president in a heartbeat.

369 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:01:39pm

re: #356 Macker
LOL! HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU TOO!

370 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:02:56pm

re: #368 Taqiyyotomist

Unlike Obama, Walter E. Williams is actually black. Also, I would vote for him for president in a heartbeat.

Too many people wouldn't do so now that the novelty has been satisfied.

371 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:04:56pm

re: #361 Gearhead

Happy New Year, Walter. If you ever make it to Montgomery, there'll be two tickets to the Alabama Shakespeare Festival waiting on you.

And if you ever are coming this way, let me know and you have two tics to whatever our current show is. We do 7 shows a year, about 8 concerts and misc. special events.

Thanks.

372 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:05:05pm

Well y'all I gotta get some sleep - I hope you all had a Great New Years Eve (especially you all on PST who haven't seen the New Year in yet) and I hope to get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

373 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:06:38pm

re: #360 ploome hineni

I wish you supervised Yahoo News and Reuters' Jean Marc Loos.

374 Tarkus289  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:07:17pm

re: #366 Hobbes

His wife died last December, no more gift jokes...

375 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:08:07pm

Night realwest, may you have a good nights sleep.

376 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:08:17pm
377 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:08:32pm

re: #367 realwest

Well I'm glad we make you happy Walter and hey - all that work is sorta like job security for you if that programmers job doesn't eventuate, right?

I'm always applying for programmers work. I was checking my saved email boxes last wee. For the last 2005,6,7 communicated in over 2300 emails about possible jobs. In 2008, I just did the theatre stuff full time, and had a little contract programming job for Kaiser, which brought me a few grand last year.

But, I have started sending new resumes for full time programming work since the economy is getting the entertainment business in a slump, and I can never bee sure if I'll always be at the theatre.

But the programming jobs still don't look good.

We'll see.

378 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:09:15pm

re: #366 Hobbes

I missed Walter today. Forgot he was going to be fill-in for Rush. Damn. Usually like what he has to say. What's the word with Walter?

His wife died this year.

379 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:09:42pm

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

I'm always applying for programmers work. I was checking my saved email boxes last wee. For the last 2005,6,7 communicated in over 2300 emails about possible jobs. In 2008, I just did the theatre stuff full time, and had a little contract programming job for Kaiser, which brought me a few grand last year.

But, I have started sending new resumes for full time programming work since the economy is getting the entertainment business in a slump, and I can never bee sure if I'll always be at the theatre.

But the programming jobs still don't look good.

We'll see.

Even Microsoft is hurting, big time.

380 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:10:04pm

re: #8 zombie

Stephen Jay Gould, despite being a hardcore leftist when it came to human politics, knew quite a thing or two about the scientific method.

Every time communism is tried, it fails, but Mr. Gould couldn't be bothered to acknowledge this simple fact. If he was that selective about applying the scientific method, why should I trust his judgment on anything?

His "scientific truths" mattered more to him than the suffering caused by those who declared themselves gods over nations, yet he aligned with those who arrested and executed his colleagues who refused to submit their research to the States' dogmata.

Consider the source. Would you trust Charles Manson if he told you "one plus one is two," or CNN if they told you George W. Bush is heterosexual? No, neither case would make the source more trustworthy. And so should it be with so-called "scientists" who espouse elimination of the freedoms that true scientists require for their work.

381 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:10:08pm

re: #372 realwest

good night & a happy new year to you, real!

382 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:14:29pm

re: #379 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even Microsoft is hurting, big time.

They did that to themselves, between their horrible Vista release, followed by Jerry Seinfeld convincing BillG to wiggle his butt on world-wide television. The former hurt the Microsoft brand, badly, while the latter showed how disoriented and desperate Microsoft has become.

383 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:14:30pm

re: #374 Tarkus289

His wife died last December, no more gift jokes...

No! I didn't know. That's just awful! No wonder he hasn't been on much.
That just makes me want to cry. His discussions of their relationship were just so touching! His supposed disrespect was so compassionate. You could tell she was the love of his life. I feel sad for him.

384 Tarkus289  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:15:41pm

Topic from earlier, Laura Bush.

Laura Bush

385 Tarkus289  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:17:28pm

re: #383 Hobbes

He has handled it well, he said the first few months were tough, but he sounded pretty comfortable discussing it now,1 year on Dec. 29.

386 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:20:07pm

re: #385 Tarkus289

He has handled it well, he said the first few months were tough, but he sounded pretty comfortable discussing it now,1 year on Dec. 29.

Wow! I just don't know what to say. This has thrown me for a loss. It's so seldom these days when see that kind of love.

387 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:20:18pm

OT: On behalf of the city of Las Vegas, I would like to apologize for bringing you the world's stupidest motorcycle jump, specifically the one performed tonight by Robby Knievel.

It was built up as him jumping over the Mirage volcano, but it actuality, it was a jump over the same section of sidewalk from where people watch the Mirage volcano show.

What a waste of promotional time.

First, the video of the jump itself:

Youtube Video

At first, I thought it was strange that he was starting from in front of the pedestrian bridge from the Mirage/TI to the Venetian.

The picture at the following link was taken from almost exactly the point where Robby Knievel's ramp hits the sidewalk.

[Link: photos.vegastripping.com...]

The reason I thought it was strange is due to the layout, as seen in the following Google Maps link (the starting pedestrian bridge is seen at the top, right near the "S" in "Las Vegas Blvd S"):

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

If he starts from any point on the sidewalk, and actually goes OVER the Mirage volcano, he'll fly right into the overhang over the Mirage entrance, and possibly into the front glass doors of the Mirage. It's also possible he could simply miss and crash into the Mirage/TI tram (or tram track).

Watch the video, and you'll see that, due to the flames he jumps over, it sure looks like he goes over the volcano, but he lands on the same sidewalk (albeit a farther distance down), and lands near the part of the map just left of where it says "3424" on the street.

Those stacks of hay you see on the video are placed to prevent Knievel from crashing into the plants and planters in front of the Caesars Palace Forum Shops.

After all the hype, this was quite a letdown.

388 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:20:45pm

I hate working New Years Eve/Day. The usual amount of idiots/morons/baldricks seem to multiply tenfold. :(

389 Jaded  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:21:54pm

I don't buy the humans from apes theory myself but not being a religious person I don't buy that we were made from two people either I am if I care about it at all come from the we are the martians we are looking for ie: the planet was dying and we found a more hospitable planet Earth but I don't spend a lot of time giving a crap and just am grateful to be a Conservative human being in the best damn country in the whole of the universe...that's right The United States of America!

Happy New Years LGFers and lets get to work on getting some TRUE CONSERVATIVE candidates to run in 2010 and 2012!

390 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:22:20pm

re: #388 BlueCanuck

I hate working New Years Eve/Day. The usual amount of idiots/morons/baldricks seem to multiply tenfold. :(

Like whoever torched a house down the road.

Yep, it happened tonight. And now I'm waiting up until someone gets up, and then I'll go to bed.

391 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:22:28pm

re: #383 Hobbes

Me too.

392 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:22:29pm

It has been a tradition of mine on LGF, to post some of my short column length humorous tales. So, for those so inclined, have fun reading them, and for those not interested, scroll away...

I notice on a dating site, the strange ways the ladies would describe them self, and I always had a snappy answer... these are actual postings and my answers.

Lady: "and have a Spanish look to me"
Me: What does that mean? Do you look like a burrito?"

Lady: "I am an attractive woman with dark hair and eyes myself"
Me: Well, that's a relief. Having your own eyes help.

Lady: "I'm the type of person who has fun no matter what I'm doing."
Me: Would that include cleaning a cesspool?

Lady: "I think that a Dominant male would be a good balance for me - but as of yet I haven't found the right man."
Me: If you are REALLY looking for a Dom male, HE WILL FIND YOU.

Lady: "I appreciate our differences of opinion but I've found that is makes relationships difficult."
Me: yes, having a partner that thinks for themselves can get in the way of your selfish needs.

Lady: "I have a dog who is extremely smart and I love taking for walks."
Me: if he is so smart, why do YOU have to walk him? Can't he walk himself?

Lady: "I have an interesting sense of humor which everyone seems to find funny at some point."
Me: Duh, if it wasn't funny, it wouldn't be a sense of humor.

Lady: "I'm hoping to start off as friends and have it turn into something more, and if not, "ob-la-di, ob-la-da life will go on". "
Me: No shit. Satre you're not.

Lady: "I want to feel those sparks I haven't felt in an extremely long time."
Me: Put your finger in a wall socket.

Lady: "I want someone to look at me and just...well, want me right then and there!"
Me: That could be a problem on the Light Rail.

393 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:23:07pm

re: #390 victor_yugo

Ouch, I hope no one was home when that happened.

394 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:23:34pm

re: #387 gmsc

Saw the beginning of that, decided it was going to be stupid, turned it off.
If I'm going to watch any "dare devil" in Las Vegas, it will be Chris Angel.

395 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:26:19pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

Lady: "I want to feel those sparks I haven't felt in an extremely long time."
Me: Put your finger in a wall socket.

Lady: "I want someone to look at me and just...well, want me right then and there!"
Me: That could be a problem on the Light Rail.

Actually, the last one could be a boost for the one before it.

396 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:26:36pm

re: #389 Jaded

That doesn't sound so Jaded.

397 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:28:07pm

re: #393 BlueCanuck

Ouch, I hope no one was home when that happened.

No, it's been abandoned for about fifteen years now. But the fact that it stood for that long, without catching fire, makes me very suspicious that it was arson, maybe caused by a vagrant, or more likely NYE hooliganism.

398 coquimbojoe  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:29:39pm

Happy New Year from Las Vegas (Henderson), home of the lamest motorcycle jump ever!

399 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:30:14pm

re: #398 coquimbojoe

Of course!

400 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:30:29pm

re: #394 Hobbes

Saw the beginning of that, decided it was going to be stupid, turned it off.
If I'm going to watch any "dare devil" in Las Vegas, it will be Chris Angel.

If you want to see the Criss Angel/Cirque du Soliel show at the Luxor, you'd better do it quick. Judging by the reviews of both pro reviewers and actual paying customers, the show won't be playing for much longer.

401 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:31:50pm

The more I hear about this motorcycle jump (or lack thereof), the happier I am that I left the TV off tonight.

402 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:32:49pm

re: #401 Fenway_Nation

The more I hear about this motorcycle jump (or lack thereof), the happier I am that I left the TV off tonight.

From what I can gather, even though you left your TV off, he jumped anyway.

403 BlueCanuck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:33:41pm

re: #401 Fenway_Nation

T.V.? What is this t.v. that you speak of?

404 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:33:48pm

re: #402 Walter L. Newton


Yes, but apparently whatever he was jumping over was greatly overstated.

405 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:35:00pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

(after the first three) ... sooo, she looks like a sandwich, she's eying herself, and she's on acid? . . .

406 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:35:22pm

re: #398 coquimbojoe

Happy New Year from Las Vegas (Henderson), home of the lamest motorcycle jump ever!

Yeah, but Henderson is the site of the world's most impressive ammonium perchlorate explosion (even if the announcer can't pronounce "Nevada" correctly):

Youtube Video
407 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:35:56pm

A deckhand came running into the pilot house, flustered and talking a mile a minute. The first mate, unable to make out a word the deckhand was saying, said commandingly, "Sing it out, sailor! Sing it out!" The deckhand took a deep breath and obeyed his order:

"Should auld acquaintance be forgot and ne'er brought to mind?
The captain's fallen overboard, and he's half a mile behind!"

408 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:36:35pm

Lady: "I think that a Dominant male would be a good balance for me - but as of yet I haven't found the right man."

She's commie.

409 Fearless Fred  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:38:58pm

Lady: "I appreciate our differences of opinion but I've found that is makes relationships difficult."

She 'appreciates' that those whom she has pre-condemned do exist.

410 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:39:17pm

re: #401 Fenway_Nation

The more I hear about this motorcycle jump (or lack thereof), the happier I am that I left the TV off tonight.

To be fair, Robbie Maddison of Australia performed a great Motorcycle jump in Las Vegas tonight, over at the Paris:

Youtube Video
411 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:40:10pm

re: #406 gmsc

I hate that, it's pronounced Nevada, not Navawda.

412 coquimbojoe  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:41:45pm

re: #406 gmsc

Yeah, but Henderson is the site of the world's most impressive ammonium perchlorate explosion (even if the announcer can't pronounce "Nevada" correctly):


[Video]

We do have that going for us!

413 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:41:47pm

The hamster on the LGF servers tried their New Years Eve motorcycle jump...


Youtube Video
414 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:42:01pm

re: #411 sngnsgt

I hate that, it's pronounced Nevada, not Navawda.

Exactly! A little tip for anyone even thinking of visiting or even publicly discussion the state of Nevada:

Youtube Video
415 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:44:26pm

re: #400 gmsc

If you want to see the Criss Angel/Cirque du Soliel show at the Luxor, you'd better do it quick. Judging by the reviews of both pro reviewers and actual paying customers, the show won't be playing for much longer.

That's what I heard on the Larry King Show two nights ago. (Never watch Larry
unless Chris is on). I'm a fan, as though you couldn't tell. I know Vegas is in trouble, but I thought Chris would bring people in. I do have to admit, I think Chris is not as good as he use to be. The Playboy girlfriend and other flashy stuff has not helped him. IMHO. I first ran across him several years ago quite by accident on A&E. Thought he was great. I even bought his DVD's. I still think he's great and very, very cute! But, I think he's going in the wrong direction.

416 coquimbojoe  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:44:29pm

re: #410 gmsc

That was cool!

417 victor_yugo  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:46:15pm

re: #411 sngnsgt

I hate that, it's pronounced Nevada, not Navawda.

Funny, I pronounce it "no place I'd want to raise my kids."

I'd also say "different strokes for different folks," but that would take on a whole different meaning in this context.

418 coquimbojoe  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:49:27pm

re: #417 victor_yugo

Funny, I pronounce it "no place I'd want to raise my kids."

I'd also say "different strokes for different folks," but that would take on a whole different meaning in this context.

Surprisingly, it really isn't that bad. It get bad near the strip, but out here in the 'burbs, its as clean and quiet as you could want. Convenient too. Don't get me wrong, it not like i love Vegas, but i refuse to live in California, the wife won't move back to Utah, and the rest of the nation is out of the question too - so here we make our stand.

419 Sarge1984  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:50:12pm

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

The hamster on the LGF servers tried their New Years Eve motorcycle jump...

[Video]

Charles drinks Corona?

420 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:50:21pm

re: #418 coquimbojoe

Surprisingly, it really isn't that bad. It get bad near the strip, but out here in the 'burbs, its as clean and quiet as you could want. Convenient too. Don't get me wrong, it not like i love Vegas, but i refuse to live in California, the wife won't move back to Utah, and the rest of the nation is out of the question too - so here we make our stand.

Why is Utah bad?

421 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:51:51pm

re: #415 Hobbes

That's what I heard on the Larry King Show two nights ago. (Never watch Larry
unless Chris is on). I'm a fan, as though you couldn't tell. I know Vegas is in trouble, but I thought Chris would bring people in. I do have to admit, I think Chris is not as good as he use to be. The Playboy girlfriend and other flashy stuff has not helped him. IMHO. I first ran across him several years ago quite by accident on A&E. Thought he was great. I even bought his DVD's. I still think he's great and very, very cute! But, I think he's going in the wrong direction.

You know, I remember Criss Angel when he was performing his own stage show back in the late '80s and '90s. You know what? He had a killer show that was totally original, and presented him as how he should be presented.

When he got his TV series on A&E, and threw out what we in the magic trade call "the Mark Wilson rules" (TV magic is shot live in front of a studio audience, no trick photography/edits, etc., preferably done in a single shot, and no magic tricks performed that cannot be done in a live situation), I knew he was headed for trouble.

Criss Angel can be (and has been) a GREAT magician, but he decided that fame and money were more important than sticking to the basic principles that made him stand out in the first place.

422 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:53:24pm

re: #414 gmsc

I lived there for 11 years, and am now living in NW PA for family reasons. Brrr! What a mistake this was, I'll be back out in 6-8 months. Already looking @ houses there. From the looks of things, they're giving 'em away out there! ;-)

423 coquimbojoe  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:53:53pm

re: #420 Hobbes

Why is Utah bad?

Too cold. In-laws reside there (mine and hers) I would move there in a second. I love the outdoors there all year round and the sense of community. Utah is a 'good', cold for her, a 'bad'.

424 sngnsgt  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:54:04pm

re: #417 victor_yugo

No kids for me, just sunshine!

425 melinwy  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:54:15pm

Goodnight Lizard Nation
Happy New Year.
May 2009 be better for all of us.
May Israel finish what it has started,
regardless of international opinion, which
is crap considering they would never tolerate
what Israel has and no one would raise
any outcry about it.
Thank you Charles for an awesome site.
But I thank the Lizard nation for the
wonderful intelligent and funny posts.
There is no better place on the web!

426 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:54:34pm

re: #420 Hobbes

Why is Utah bad?

Quick note on this topic: If anyone is thinking of moving from Salt Lake City to Las Vegas to avoid a large Mormon population, you're doing it wrong.

In Salt Lake City, the Mormons are a higher percentage of the population than any other US city. The city with 2nd highest percentage of Mormons? Las Vegas, Nevada.

427 Hobbes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:54:50pm

re: #421 gmsc

What a shame.

428 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:55:45pm

re: #422 sngnsgt

I lived there for 11 years, and am now living in NW PA for family reasons. Brrr! What a mistake this was, I'll be back out in 6-8 months. Already looking @ houses there. From the looks of things, they're giving 'em away out there! ;-)

Welcome back! We still have our cold days - this is just 2 weeks after our famous snow storm!

429 zombie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:56:04pm

re: #380 victor_yugo

Every time communism is tried, it fails, but Mr. Gould couldn't be bothered to acknowledge this simple fact. If he was that selective about applying the scientific method, why should I trust his judgment on anything?

His "scientific truths" mattered more to him than the suffering caused by those who declared themselves gods over nations, yet he aligned with those who arrested and executed his colleagues who refused to submit their research to the States' dogmata.

Consider the source. Would you trust Charles Manson if he told you "one plus one is two," or CNN if they told you George W. Bush is heterosexual? No, neither case would make the source more trustworthy. And so should it be with so-called "scientists" who espouse elimination of the freedoms that true scientists require for their work.

I don't accept evolution-through-natural-selection because Stephen Jay Gould tells me so. I accept because I see the evidence with my own eyes.

This is not an "argument from authority." If it was, the scientists would lose, because the other side is claiming the the ultimate authority -- God -- is on their side. No, evolution-through-natural-selection is simply the best (and currently only) theory to explain the known facts. Doesn't matter who says so -- whether it be Stephen Jay Gould, Charles Manson, CNN, or the biggest idiot in the world. It remains a valid theory, regardlesss of who professes it.

430 gmsc  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:59:47pm

re: #427 Hobbes

What a shame.

True, it is a shame. David Blaine's first TV special largely followed the Mark Wilson rules, but did play a little loose with them at parts. It got much worse in the later specials - to the point where I was glad when his most recent special contained very little magic.

David Blaine can also be good, but he doesn't stay true to his art when he goes on TV.

Years from now, it will be interesting to see how people remember David Copperfield, Doug Henning, and so on, as compared to Angel and Blaine.

431 Erik The Red  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:59:59pm

Happy New Year West Coast Lizards. I hope you all have a prosperous 2009 and all your dreams and wishes come true.

432 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:00:37am

It is now 2009 all over the continental US!

(How're things back in 2008, Hawaii?)

433 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:01:12am

re: #426 gmsc

Quick note on this topic: If anyone is thinking of moving from Salt Lake City to Las Vegas to avoid a large Mormon population, you're doing it wrong.

In Salt Lake City, the Mormons are a higher percentage of the population than any other US city. The city with 2nd highest percentage of Mormons? Las Vegas, Nevada.

First: Why would anyone want to avopid a large Mormon population? (I completely understand the sentimernt, but really...)

Second its only about 7% here...Can't swing a dead cat without hitting one!

Happy new year!

434 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:02:25am

re: #433 coquimbojoe

First: Why would anyone want to avopid a large Mormon population? (I completely understand the sentimernt, but really...)

Second its only about 7% here...Can't swing a dead cat without hitting one!

Happy new year!

It's just a way of bringing up more of my useless trivia!
;)

435 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:02:25am
436 Hobbes  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:02:34am

re: #423 coquimbojoe

Too cold. In-laws reside there (mine and hers) I would move there in a second. I love the outdoors there all year round and the sense of community. Utah is a 'good', cold for her, a 'bad'.

We love the outdoors also. If it hadn't been for my husband's job we would have moved somewhere out west long ago. Our vacations were mostly to the mountains and west. Now we are stuck in Illinois. The time to move has passed. But, trying to keep up with the politics here...Oh Hell, you might as well be climbing up a mountain...not as pretty though!

437 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:02:38am

re: #429 zombie

I don't accept evolution-through-natural-selection because Stephen Jay Gould tells me so. I accept because I see the evidence with my own eyes.

This is not an "argument from authority." If it was, the scientists would lose, because the other side is claiming the the ultimate authority -- God -- is on their side. No, evolution-through-natural-selection is simply the best (and currently only) theory to explain the known facts. Doesn't matter who says so -- whether it be Stephen Jay Gould, Charles Manson, CNN, or the biggest idiot in the world. It remains a valid theory, regardlesss of who professes it.

Hiya Zombie! Hope you have a good new year. My guess is an Obama admin will only encourage the fools and you will have many things to photograph in the near future.

438 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:04:29am

People firing guns in the neighborhood and i can hear the fireworks from the Strip going off.

439 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:04:32am

re: #428 gmsc

Welcome back! We still have our cold days - this is just 2 weeks after our famous snow storm!

LOL! My younger brother is out there, he had to call just to tell me how he was sharing our "misery" here in dreary Eire, PA. I told him, "Wait 'til I get back there, I'm going to kick your ass!"

440 Floral Giraffe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:04:41am

Happy West Coast Time Zone New Year, All!
I hope that the New Year brings health, happiness, prosperity, and a total SHOCK of what a good year it is, to you all.
Charles & Zombie especially!
Hampsters too!
God Bless.

441 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:05:51am

re: #438 coquimbojoe

People firing guns in the neighborhood and i can hear the fireworks from the Strip going off.

I'm sorry. I'll stop shortly.
;)

442 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:06:08am

Since there are an inordinate number of evolution type posts on the front page, I assume Charles is very interested in the subject.

Evolution is a theory and a bad one at that.
Although looking at some of the submenials I come in daily contact with, it might just be 'spot on'.
But no, the human species, (well, most of us) are from a higher seed, put here on this earth, by power(s) greater than us.
Whether from another dimension, or from another planet.
We arrived here pretty much in our present form. Not evolved from apes, or any other animal in the jungle.

Believe it!

443 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:06:12am

re: #441 gmsc

I'm sorry. I'll stop shortly.
;)

You here in the valley?

444 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:06:57am

re: #442 MikeyHunt

Since there are an inordinate number of evolution type posts on the front page, I assume Charles is very interested in the subject.

Evolution is a theory and a bad one at that.
Although looking at some of the submenials I come in daily contact with, it might just be 'spot on'.
But no, the human species, (well, most of us) are from a higher seed, put here on this earth, by power(s) greater than us.
Whether from another dimension, or from another planet.
We arrived here pretty much in our present form. Not evolved from apes, or any other animal in the jungle.

Believe it!

Good luck with that!

445 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:08:49am

re: #432 gmsc

(How're things back in 2008, Hawaii?)

Oh...I'm sure it involves 0bama at the gym, getting good and ripped for innauguration day.

/These MSM reports on Teleprompter Jesus' frequent visits to the gym never get old!

446 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:09:29am

re: #443 coquimbojoe

You here in the valley?

Of course!

That's why I began post #387 with:

OT: On behalf of the city of Las Vegas

447 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:10:13am

re: #446 gmsc

Near where if i may ask?

448 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:10:22am

re: #445 Fenway_Nation

Oh...I'm sure it involves 0bama at the gym, getting good and ripped for innauguration day.

/These MSM reports on Teleprompter Jesus' frequent visits to the gym never get old!

I just read that on the Official Office of the Preseident Elect on Vacation web page.

449 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:11:14am

re: #447 coquimbojoe

Near where if i may ask?

Sunrise Mountain.

450 JacksonTn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:16:03am

re: #110 traderjoe9

Anybody interested in a little readin...? Check out my article!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Trader Joe ...how brave of you to go into the belly of the beast .. you posted a very good and informative diary ...

I have never posted at Kos ... I thought about it many times during the almost two year campaign ..but I got to the point that I could not compete with the love affair ...my family of three generations democrats were thrown aside when Donna Brazile declared on CNN that the party did not need us any longer because they could do it "without us" ... you know the "old" democrats ... the democrats by tradition of my parents and their parents...mostly children of the depression ...yes, they replaced us with the more "urban" "elite" democrats that they would bring into the fold ...she didn't need to say what she really meant ... we got it ...

But to Donna Brazile and Howard Dean ... I say thank you ... because without the slap in the face that you gave us ...I would never have really looked at the party of my parents ... and their parents ... I see you now for what you are ...and I am ashamed ...ashamed for the years I believed what the party said ...to hold allegiance to anything just because you are told that is the way it is ...told that because Roosevelt was the one that took care of the people during the depression we had to always be democrats ...

I wish I could say that I am stupid ...but I am not ...I am not as educated as most here ...but I know what is right from wrong ... I just denied it ...for the party ...

I am now and will forever be ... an Independent ...

/a great New Year's Eve was had by all on Broadway in Nashville ... Happy New Year's to all Lizards ...

451 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:16:07am

re: #449 gmsc

Sunrise Mountain.

Ahh, been there. There's a few Vegas lizards, we should plan a meet up sometime in the future... Just an idea.

452 LeePro  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:17:41am

      { { { Lizards } } }

Hours late drive-by HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Video from across the pond, but beautiful nonetheless...

Youtube Video

Later, {Lizards}... too whacked (tired... not sauced!) to stay up!
;D

453 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:17:51am

re: #439 sngnsgt

Erie, not Eire /doh!

454 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:18:38am

re: #442 MikeyHunt

Since there are an inordinate number of evolution type posts on the front page, I assume Charles is very interested in the subject.

Evolution is a theory and a bad one at that.
Although looking at some of the submenials I come in daily contact with, it might just be 'spot on'.
But no, the human species, (well, most of us) are from a higher seed, put here on this earth, by power(s) greater than us.
Whether from another dimension, or from another planet.
We arrived here pretty much in our present form. Not evolved from apes, or any other animal in the jungle.

Believe it!

With that comment you are either fucking nuts or from mars.

455 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:18:55am

Good night {LeePro} Happy New Year to you and weet dreams.

456 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:18:59am

...continued from #442

If you want to believe that you are evolved from apes , be my guest.

No 'luck' needed.

457 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:20:39am

Happy New Year to all...

Anyway, enough of the cheer... now onto reality...

With the final production numbers from the EIA for the year 2008, it turns out that in 2008 US crude oil production fell bellow 5 million barrels per day on average.

The last time that happened was 1946... yes, 62 years ago!

This seems like it should be headline news... but I've not found any news items to put up in the spin-off links, but I'll keep looking...

458 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:20:46am

re: #451 coquimbojoe

Ahh, been there. There's a few Vegas lizards, we should plan a meet up sometime in the future... Just an idea.

Sounds like a good idea. I was jealous when I heard there was a lizard get together in a town in California, and one in which I lived before Vegas!

459 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:21:33am

re: #456 MikeyHunt

Are you looking for a controversy?

460 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:23:27am

re: #458 gmsc

Sounds like a good idea. I was jealous when I heard there was a lizard get together in a town in California, and one in which I lived before Vegas!

theres you me Vegas rick. Air Force Wife lives here, but I think shes been given the broom I think... probably a few others.

461 Hobbes  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:23:42am

re: #430 gmsc

True, it is a shame. David Blaine's first TV special largely followed the Mark Wilson rules, but did play a little loose with them at parts. It got much worse in the later specials - to the point where I was glad when his most recent special contained very little magic.

David Blaine can also be good, but he doesn't stay true to his art when he goes on TV.

Years from now, it will be interesting to see how people remember David Copperfield, Doug Henning, and so on, as compared to Angel and Blaine.

I love Magic, always have. Having said that, I've always been leary of magic shows. I know that sounds stupid. But, until David Copperfield, Doug Henning, etc. the shows were always a little creepy. Some slick guy trying to pull the wool over your eyes. But then they became less scary with the elegant Copperfield and the funny Henning. Unfortunately, most of my experience with magic is with TV. I've seen very few performances live, one in Las Vegas. Someone I can't remember...long ago, starting act for Edie Gorme and Steve Lawrence. I guess what I'm trying to say is that to a uninformed bystander I have been impressed by Chris's stuff on TV. And I'm sorry to learn that what I have thought about his recent performances
is felt by others too. (Specially people who know the art!)

462 Cheechako  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:23:46am

Hey Lizards! Please wait for me. I'm stuck in 2008 while you'all have moved up to 2009!

My one New Years wish is that we all have more "Change" in our pockets when we enter 2010 than we do now.

463 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:23:48am

re: #456 MikeyHunt

I may not be evolved from an ape, but I do believe that we are close cousins.

/I wonder what trolls evolved from?

464 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:28:15am

re: #462 Cheechako

Hey Lizards! Please wait for me. I'm stuck in 2008 while you'all have moved up to 2009!

My one New Years wish is that we all have more "Change" in our pockets when we enter 2010 than we do now.

OK, but we'll only give you a few hours to hurry and catch up!
;)

465 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:28:31am

re: #463 BlueCanuck

I may not be evolved from an ape, but I do believe that we are close cousins.

/I wonder what trolls evolved from?

Something gamey?

466 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:29:18am

Fire up the bbq Blue. We may be having a snack

467 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:30:17am

Happy New Year to all of you guys!

468 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:31:22am

re: #467 TheMatrix31

Happy New Year to all of you guys!

And to you too Matrix.

469 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:33:22am

re: #58 cincinnati_kid37

I don't believe man evolved from apes.

It's not a matter of believing or not believing (that's the realm of dogmatic religion, not evolutionary science); it's a matter of objectively and dispassionately perusing the mountains of empirical evidence that great apes and humans share common ancestors, and coming to accept and know the facticity of it:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

470 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:33:54am

re: #205 traderjoe9

Carl!

I love your blog!

If you don't mind, can you give me your opinion on the quality of my articles arguments?

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

You don't have to read this right now...you can respond later...hell you don't have to read it at all. Up to you.

Shana Tova!

Thanks Trader Joe,

At the moment, I am totally overwhelmed with the war stuff going on here, but will try to take a look.

471 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:34:00am

re: #461 Hobbes

I love Magic, always have. Having said that, I've always been leary of magic shows. I know that sounds stupid. But, until David Copperfield, Doug Henning, etc. the shows were always a little creepy. Some slick guy trying to pull the wool over your eyes. But then they became less scary with the elegant Copperfield and the funny Henning. Unfortunately, most of my experience with magic is with TV. I've seen very few performances live, one in Las Vegas. Someone I can't remember...long ago, starting act for Edie Gorme and Steve Lawrence. I guess what I'm trying to say is that to a uninformed bystander I have been impressed by Chris's stuff on TV. And I'm sorry to learn that what I have thought about his recent performances
is felt by others too. (Specially people who know the art!)

I'd love to hear that these recent experiences would wake him up. A wise man once said:

Success is the result of experience.
Experience is the result of good judgement.
Good judgement is often the result of bad judgement.

472 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:34:42am

Sooo...

Any special New Year's Resolutions? Mine is the same as it has been for many years now: I've resolved not to make any pointless resolutions. So far, so good; I have a perfect record of never breaking that resolution.

/wait, what?

473 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:35:36am

Drive By Post:

Happy 2009!

And good luck to us all.

Later.

474 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:35:43am

re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth

Any special New Year's Resolutions?

Mine is 1680 x 1050.
;)

475 SurferDoc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:35:44am

My neighbors in the desert are ringing in the New Year in the time-honored California way--fireworks, shotgun blasts, more than a few pistol shots. It sounds a little like a firefight.

476 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:35:53am

re: #228 realwest

Hey Carl! Happy New Year to you! I'm pretty sure she was indeed nominated several times!
BTW, I've been reading your blog, but for some reason Google/Blogger no longer reconizes my password, so I haven't left any comments there. But you're righting some great stuff!

Thanks and Happy New Year to you too.

I have long since given up on trying to understand Google. They kicked me out of Adsense two and a half years ago when my traffic kicked up because of the war, and when I suggested that they look at my site meter to see who was clicking and how many times, they ignored me. So I gave up on them.

477 Hobbes  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:36:06am

re: #471 gmsc

Amen.

478 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:36:36am

re: #67 Shug

What if primative apes mated with spacemen to create humans?

As a child I read this book Chariots of the Gods. It made a lot of sense to me at the time.

I wonder if goats think jihadis are spacemen?

479 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:37:30am

re: #468 Erik The Red

And to you too Matrix.

Thanks bud!

480 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:38:02am

re: #242 realwest

BTW, didja have a chance to read the comments here on William Sieghart, idiot academist or whatever the hell he's supposed to be?

Not yet. As soon as I finished with him, Megan McArdle came up. I went to sleep at 3:30 and was up by 6:00 - it's been like that every day this week. Luckily, my year-end deals finished early or I'd be swamped with work too.

481 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:38:09am

re: #459 freetoken

Nope, just expressing my beliefs.

Sorry if I stepped on anyones toes.

Keep on believing what you want to believe.

We can agree to disagree. Yes?

I know I'm not evolved from primates, no matter what the New Yorker or some of you guys say.

482 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:38:13am

re: #474 gmsc

Mine is 1680 x 1050.
;)

Mine is 106cm Plasma (dunno what that is in inches) with a screen resolution grand enough to host a whole LGF list in one hit.

Nah .. its only about 1280 x 1024 ... but it looks bigger.

483 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:38:17am

Ahhh, I think I have found a troll that we all have dealt with at one time.

/too scrawny though.

484 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:38:55am

re: #475 SurferDoc

My neighbors in the desert are ringing in the New Year in the time-honored California way--fireworks, shotgun blasts, more than a few pistol shots. It sounds a little like a firefight.

Sounds like the 'Palestinians' to me...

485 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:38:56am

re: #478 Salamantis

I wonder if goats think jihadis are spacemen?

Lousy backdoor lovers?

486 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:38:58am

re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth

I made that resolution over 15 years ago. Haven't broken it yet.

487 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:39:52am

re: #474 gmsc

Mine is 1680 x 1050.
;)

iMac?

489 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:40:15am

re: #113 cincinnati_kid37

We may have come from Man.

No? Then - Where did apes come from ? Where did any other species come from? Primordial soup for all species? I don't buy it.

Tough. The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible. Through many mutations, we all share a small set of ancient common ancestors.

490 Sarge1984  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:40:17am

re: #463 BlueCanuck

I may not be evolved from an ape, but I do believe that we are close cousins.

/I wonder what trolls evolved from?

Heh.

They haven't evolved yet!

491 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:40:31am

re: #469 Salamantis

Humans have souls.

Apes do not.

Big Difference!


btw...Happy New Year!

492 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:41:06am

re: #475 SurferDoc

I must live in the boring part of Cali. I only heard a few subdued "pops" from lightweight firecrackers. Not a single "bang". Ho hum.

493 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:41:11am

re: #487 freetoken

iMac?

OK - that was an impressive (and correct) guess.

494 SurferDoc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:41:32am

re: #484 Carl in Jerusalem

Sounds like the 'Palestinians' to me...

The only difference is the name of the desert?
/

Stay safe and Happy New Year!

495 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:42:40am

re: #493 gmsc

I read minds... remotely...

/OTOH, I just bought a new iMac

496 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:43:19am

re: #489 Salamantis

"The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible. "

Link to said 'evidence'

credible news source

TIA

When animals die, they are dead. Is that the same for humans?

497 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:44:16am

re: #496 MikeyHunt

Credible source? Pick up a biology text book. Possibly one on genetics as well. It's old science and has been proven time and time again.

498 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:44:19am

re: #496 MikeyHunt

"The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible. "

Link to said 'evidence'

credible news source

TIA

When animals die, they are dead. Is that the same for humans?

No .. everyone knows that once a human dies .. he goes on to be an extra in a Zombie thrill picture.

499 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:44:32am

re: #491 MikeyHunt

How does one test for that? You know, with conclusive evidence and what-not.

Happy New Year back atchya, btw.

500 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:44:55am

re: #485 Buster Bunny

some humour to the proceedings! LOL

501 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:45:07am

re: #496 MikeyHunt

"The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible. "

Link to said 'evidence'

credible news source

TIA

When animals die, they are dead. Is that the same for humans?

You picked the right fight with the right person. Good luck with this.

502 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:46:37am

re: #499 Slumbering Behemoth

I guess that would be the problem of the person that posted that sentence.

I was thinking the same thing.

Apparently there's been a scientific breakthrough, I am completely unaware of.

503 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:47:54am

As a tip of the hat to the "suggested" topic, it's time for my standard list of favorite ID/Creationist argument links:

reDiscovery Institute (Parody site)

The Holy Book for Turtles-all-the-way-downism (Thanks, jcm!)

Using creationist/ID arguments against them:
Why We Believe in a Designer!
Organisms that Look Designed
Oolon Colluphid's Guide to Creation

Talk.Origins archive

Need To Know: Charles Darwin (5 Minute documentary on Charles Darwin)

People involved in spreading Darwin's discoveries as a philosophy, whom Ben Stein mysteriously neglects to mention:
Ernst Haeckel
William Sumner
Vladmir Ulyanov

Is There An Artifical God? (essay by Douglas Adams)

Get A-Life (essay on using artificial life to study evolution)

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker (video about a-life)

The Day The Universe Changed - "Fit To Rule" (Episode 8)

504 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:49:25am

Meanwhile in a small shanty refugee town called Gaza ...

Hundreds of Jordanians and Lebanese did not celebrate the new year according to the BBC, instead protesting against the Gaza halftime show.

Which of course made sense .. since neither group follows the Christian calendar and base their chronology on the Hegira .. which means they just left the byzantines high and dry in Crusaderland on their calendar ...

700AD .. a lousy year for Islamic whine.

505 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:50:00am

re: #502 MikeyHunt

Perhaps we have our wires crossed. You typed:

Humans have souls.

Apes do not.

I typed:


How does one test for that?

So... I don't think we're thinking the same things you think we're thinking.

506 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:50:14am

re: #503 gmsc

As a tip of the hat to the "suggested" topic, it's time for my standard list of favorite ID/Creationist argument links:

reDiscovery Institute (Parody site)

The Holy Book for Turtles-all-the-way-downism (Thanks, jcm!)

Using creationist/ID arguments against them:
Why We Believe in a Designer!
Organisms that Look Designed
Oolon Colluphid's Guide to Creation

Talk.Origins archive

Need To Know: Charles Darwin (5 Minute documentary on Charles Darwin)

People involved in spreading Darwin's discoveries as a philosophy, whom Ben Stein mysteriously neglects to mention:
Ernst Haeckel
William Sumner
Vladmir Ulyanov

Is There An Artifical God? (essay by Douglas Adams)

Get A-Life (essay on using artificial life to study evolution)

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker (video about a-life)

The Day The Universe Changed - "Fit To Rule" (Episode 8)

Should keep mikey busy for awhile. If he even bothers to follow the links.

507 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:51:32am

re: #491 MikeyHunt

Humans have souls.

Apes do not.

Big Difference!

Ok .. well if I sell my ape to Satan and he rejects it .. its time for me to run !

508 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:52:27am

bbl. Please leave me a morsel of meat.

509 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:52:37am

re: #481 MikeyHunt


We can agree to disagree. Yes?

Perhaps the big picture is often lost here...

Besides Mandy's well spoken refrain (re: when upon entering a hosts' home, the guests informing the hosts of their poor taste in furniture...)... in other words, the science/evolution interest of the blog owner are what they are regardless of what anyone else thinks...

Beyond all of that, an overriding theme here is one of the rational, modern man fighting back the hordes who prefer medieval or ancient ways of thinking and living.

Key to modern civilization, and the ascent of Western society, is the scientific method, or more generally, critical thinking skills.

When this worldview is applied to the study of life... the answer has turned out to be... evolution.

Even though some people may not like it, that is the result of many centuries of the development of science.

To reject it is to reject a tremendous amount of thinking and accumulation of evidence of the last 5 or 6 centuries or so, all of which has been built upon the logical approach to the world (rationality) that itself was the product of many centuries and civilizations (not just the ancient Greeks, though they had an important role.)

So yes, when people come on here and try to trash "evolution" they can expect some feedback.

510 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:53:04am

re: #508 Erik The Red

bbl. Please leave me a morsel of meat.

Come back too much later and there will be nothing left but fruit cup.

511 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:54:18am

re: #497 BlueCanuck

Then list just one "conclusive and incontrovertible" study from a respected biology or gentetic textbook.

Just one.

"The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible. " you said.

So this should be a no brainer for you.


Look fellow lizard, If you want to believe you are related to an ape, like I said..be my guest.
I believe differently, as I stated before.
Neither of us is going to change the others mind.
Just be accurate when you post things such as "The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible."
That is your (and many others) OPINION.

PEACE

512 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:55:00am

re: #179 jaunte

You're not thinking of The Ancestor's Tale, are you?

Ya know what -- I was! You gave the correct answer, indentifying the book I was trying to think of, and I didn't realize it!

Thank you. Turns out it's by Dawkins, not Gould.

Here it is:

The Ancestor's Tale

Not a good title, I will admit. You can't tell from the title the it outlines the entire history of the evolution of life, in precise detail.

It is not light reading. Very heavy, long and dense. But it really opens one's eyes to how it all happened. Part of the problem is that people can't visualize how we went from single-celled organisms to human kind. This books lays it out, every step of the way.

513 rightwinger3  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:56:20am

Happy 2009 everybody. I for one am not looking forward to it. I guess we'll see.

514 freedomplow  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:00:32am

You fraught so hard... Where did that get you?

515 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:00:48am

re: #509 freetoken

"So yes, when people come on here and try to trash "evolution" they can expect some feedback."

I didn't come here to 'trash' evolution... I just said I believe differently.
No I'm not a 'creationist' (as it's popularly defined) either.
But, I do know there is a difference between humans and animals.
Thats what I believe.
Humans have souls. Animals do not.
Souls don't 'evolve' over time.
Respect my beliefs , just as I respect yours.
We can agree to disagree, as I said before.

hey, we are all lizards ...right? LOL

516 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:01:46am

re: #437 coquimbojoe

Hiya Zombie! Hope you have a good new year. My guess is an Obama admin will only encourage the fools and you will have many things to photograph in the near future.

Ugh. I certainly hope not! My sincere hope is they realize they have nothing left to validly complain about. What're they gonna do -- start calling for Obama to be impeached?

517 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:03:11am

re: #511 MikeyHunt

Beliefs are funny. Everyone can have their own beliefs. Facts are a different thing. Though facts can sometimes be funny, they are universal. In other words, and to paraphrase an oft quoted quip, "You are entitled to your own beliefs, but not your own facts."

Does this fact help clear anything up for you?

518 gmsc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:05:49am

Good night, all!

I'm glad to see the New Year in, but I'm going to have to get some sleep now!

519 Outrider  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:05:58am

re: #516 zombie

Ugh. I certainly hope not! My sincere hope is they realize they have nothing left to validly complain about. What're they gonna do -- start calling for Obama to be impeached?

haven't some on the left called for just that... before he was even inaugurated. I saw calls for his impeachment before the electoral college had reported - in fact, it was someone on LGF that linked to it. Granted it was from a very few of the left wing but... Seems he was starting to drift to far for their tastes?

520 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:07:43am

re: #505 Slumbering Behemoth

ahhh .but an answer.. Do you believe that when you die, you are dead - that's it?
No... ? Then you have a soul, a spirit. T

hat's what makes you different from animals

When animals die they are dead - end of the line.

believe it or don't

521 SurferDoc  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:08:50am

Good night, Lizards. Be safe and well.

522 JacksonTn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:11:09am

re: #520 MikeyHunt

ahhh .but an answer.. Do you believe that when you die, you are dead - that's it?
No... ? Then you have a soul, a spirit. T

hat's what makes you different from animals

When animals die they are dead - end of the line.

believe it or don't

Uh, were you ever an animal? How do you know what they have and don't have ...geez ..you assume ...

523 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:11:54am

re: #511 MikeyHunt

Look fellow lizard, If you want to believe you are related to an ape, like I said..be my guest.
I believe differently, as I stated before.
Neither of us is going to change the others mind.

Yes, people are free to believe what they want. But their beliefs don't alter reality.

In reality, you are related to apes. Very closely related. And so am I. And all other humans.

Sorry to be the one to have to break the news to you.

Now, you are free to go your merry way and "believe" otherwise, but you will be believing a delusion. Which, this being a free country, you are free to do.

524 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:13:36am

re: #520 MikeyHunt

ahhh .but an answer.. Do you believe that when you die, you are dead - that's it?
No... ? Then you have a soul, a spirit. T

hat's what makes you different from animals

When animals die they are dead - end of the line.

believe it or don't

You mean -- there's no doggie heaven?!? I can't accept that!

525 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:14:26am

re: #520 MikeyHunt

How do you know that humans have a soul and animals do not? Were is the testable evidence for this? How is this falsifiable? How does this supposition even remotely relate to the theory of evolution, let alone debunk it?

What you seem to be dabbling in here is philosophy, not science. Best not to get them confused.

526 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:14:31am

re: #515 MikeyHunt


I didn't come here to 'trash' evolution... I just said I believe differently.

Hopefully I didn't give the impression that you are trashing around LGF...

OTOH, I just wanted to encourage you to think about what indeed you are rejecting (it is more than you may realize.) And, what the difference is between "opinion" and fact.

527 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:14:50am

re: #511 MikeyHunt

Well, here's one page from the net that should help you get started on that research. And yes chimpanzee's are apes. And here's another page from a science journal. Do you need any more? It may take a bit longer to find a text book but I will if you still require it.

/stokes the Weber to a higher heat.

528 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:16:20am

Lassie, Ol' Yeller, Toto --you mean to tell me they are extirpated forever?

If there aren't dogs in heaven, then it's just not worth waiting in line to get in.

529 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:18:19am

Cats, however, obviously go to Limbo.

530 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:18:33am

Actually this whole "soul" thing is rather bizarre. If I remember my religous upbringing ALL creatures have souls. But man has SPIRIT which is more than just a soul. A soul defines personality and quirks, but the spirit we have is what was bestowed upon us by god. Now do I know what happens to me after I die? No. Should I care? Maybe. But I will find out when that happens and not a moment before. Anything else is just arguing how many pins can dance on the head of an angel.

531 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:20:53am

re: #528 zombie

What, haven't you seen that Disney film "No Dogs Go To Heaven"?

Yeah, me neither, but I do remember seeing this episode of "The Twilight Zone".

/hard science

532 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:24:45am

re: #520 MikeyHunt

Oh, and Mikey (you clever nic-picker, you), what of my earlier question? Does this fact help clear anything up for you?

533 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:26:22am

The very fact the certain animals -- in particular, dogs, horses, chimpanzees, gorillas, elephants, among others -- so clearly seem to exhibit emotions, often quite complicated and touching emotions, only serves to prove that "consciousness" and "soul awareness" or whatever you want to call it, is a continuum. It doesn't seem to be the case the humans have "it" and no other creatures have "it" at all. Quite the opposite -- various animals do seem to have something like a soul, or something similar to or approaching a soul, showing in yet another way that we are similar to other species on our planet. It is sheer hubris to declare that we have a soul and no other creature can possibly have a soul, based on no evidence whatsoever. Until you can "become" a horse or a gorilla and feel what a horse or a gorilla feels, you'll simply never know.

534 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:27:31am

Well, I have to agree.

I'm happy to see the new ball drop.

I'm also happy that I slept through the actual ball drop.

I do plan to get a much longer nap - the Rose Parade is not on my to-do list.

My day, by definition, is going to be slow.

535 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:29:12am

Ah, finally a scientific paper talking about the similarities of chimps and humans.

/but not trolls.

536 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:29:39am

re: #227 cincinnati_kid37

A small case in point. Otsie, the 'Iceman'. (Odd it's hard to find much on search on this man) was a carbon dated 5,000 year old human discovered on the mountain peaks betwen Italy and Switzerland(I believe) and the countries fought over ownership of his remains for a while..)

In any case, a 5000 yr old human, with a fine tailored leather 'suit', carrying a copper axe, bow and arrows, and medicinal herbs and mushrooms in his pouch. Though to be a flint tradesman travelling between villages on either side of Italy and Switzerland and killed by oden day muggers, he was anything but the drooling, bad toothed, hairy ape-ish 'caveman' that acadamia would have us believe.

Academia would not have us believe that about 3000 BC people. The first massive temple was built before 8000 BC, and the first major city was settled around 6000 BC.

But Homo Sapiens from 50,000 BC were indeed pretty primitive by our standards, even though they made clothes and icons and weapons and other tools, and built dwellings. Don't confuse them with Neanderthals.

537 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:30:54am

re: #67 Shug

Sounds like earth girls are easy.

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:31:24am

re: #504 Buster Bunny

Lots of Christians in Lebanon, who I would guess do a New Year's bash, as French-influenced as they are.

539 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:31:51am

I don't usually plug my own spin-off links, but you have really got to see this one, from the Palestinian Ma'an propaganda agency. Among other things, they claim that Israeli planes targeted a donkey cart and three money-changers in Gaza. No word yet on sinners and publicans.

540 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:33:30am

re: #235 cincinnati_kid37

If you say so. Believe what you will. It's not my intention to change your mind. We are simply discussing. After all, 'I' wasn't there.

But I also don't believe much of what is accepted as fact today, just as many people should not have accepted as fact a mere few hundred years ago.

A mere few hunderd years ago, what was accepted as fact was dogmatically dictated by a coercive totalitarian clericy. These days, they can't threaten those who proffer empirical evidence contradicting their doctrinaire claims with death any more.

541 rabidfox  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:33:44am

Downdinged ya, Nicky. Scientific theories need to have some sort of predictive quality to them. "Trust me" doesn't cut it.

542 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:34:08am

re: #533 zombie

The very fact the certain animals -- in particular, dogs, [...] so clearly seem to exhibit emotions, often quite complicated and touching emotions, [...]

Did you see my link last week... from China, that I labeled as the "definition of sad"?

543 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:35:24am

re: #260 cincinnati_kid37

Neanderthal and caveman are two distinctly different lines

Homo Erectus, the cavemen, weren't still around 5000 years ago, either.

544 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:35:27am

re: #536 Salamantis

Academia would not have us believe that about 3000 BC people. The first massive temple was built before 8000 BC, and the first major city was settled around 6000 BC.

But Homo Sapiens from 50,000 BC were indeed pretty primitive by our standards, even though they made clothes and icons and weapons and other tools, and built dwellings. Don't confuse them with Neanderthals.

Or the GEICO cavemen.

545 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:35:56am

re: #542 freetoken

Did you see my link last week... from China, that I labeled as the "definition of sad"?

No, I missed that one. Though I did see the dog in South America that dragged his dead buddy off the freeway, in the face of onrushing traffic.

546 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:35:58am

re: #540 Salamantis

A mere few hunderd years ago, what was accepted as fact was dogmatically dictated by a coercive totalitarian clericy. These days, they can't threaten those who proffer empirical evidence contradicting their doctrinaire claims with death any more.

and what do you think all this creationism is about?

They are missing that power in society .. and they want back in.

547 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:37:43am

re: #537 Mr Secul

Ah loved that movie. Had some great songs too. ;)

Youtube Video
548 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:38:01am

re: #543 Salamantis

Homo Erectus, the cavemen, weren't still around 5000 years ago, either.

Homo Sapiens Sapiens has been around for like 130,000 years if I recall correctly.

549 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:40:42am

re: #545 zombie

You mean this video?

550 Crux Australis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:40:56am

I don't mean to put my nose in here. What about both both Jesus's and Paul's reference to Adam and Eve being real people? Does that effect whether evolution is real or not?

I am not a young earth creationist but I believe in a literal Adam and Eve. As for when they existed it is not important.

How does one reconcile evolution with a literal Adam and Eve.

551 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:41:22am

re: #389 Jaded

I don't buy the humans from apes theory myself but not being a religious person I don't buy that we were made from two people either I am if I care about it at all come from the we are the martians we are looking for ie: the planet was dying and we found a more hospitable planet Earth but I don't spend a lot of time giving a crap and just am grateful to be a Conservative human being in the best damn country in the whole of the universe...that's right The United States of America!

Happy New Years LGFers and lets get to work on getting some TRUE CONSERVATIVE candidates to run in 2010 and 2012!

That just kicks the evolutionary can down the road without kicking it off the road, because such aliens would still have had to evolve somewhere. And they could not have taken more than 13.7 billion years to do so, because that's how old the Universe is. We've been evolving here for more than 3 1/2 of the Earth's 4.6 billion years.

552 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:43:51am

To provide some context, the Great Pyramid at Giza was built about 4500 years ago. In a world with that kind of engineering, I don't find it odd that people were making nice clothes and trading flint.

553 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:45:59am

re: #550 Crux Australis

I don't mean to put my nose in here. What about both both Jesus's and Paul's reference to Adam and Eve being real people? Does that effect whether evolution is real or not?

I am not a young earth creationist but I believe in a literal Adam and Eve. As for when they existed it is not important.

How does one reconcile evolution with a literal Adam and Eve.

The problem is that we have indeed genetically derived the existence of both a Y Chromosomal Adam (from which all males descended) and a Mitochondrial Eve (from which all people descended). But they lived 80,000 years apart. And Eve was first, living 140,000 years ago, while Adam lived only 60,000 years ago:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

554 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:47:13am

re: #550 Crux Australis

How does one reconcile evolution with a literal Adam and Eve.

I honestly don't know, but the 'mitochondrial Eve' theory does seem to suggest that we are indeed all descendents of one woman. That's good enough for me.

555 Silas  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:48:32am

re: #546 Buster Bunny

and what do you think all this creationism is about?

They are missing that power in society .. and they want back in.


The people that are in power now are the dogmatic atheists, and are just as ruthless with their power as the clergy of hundreds of years ago. How have things changed?

556 Crux Australis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:51:24am

So whereabouts (or more appropriately when) in scripture do we draw the line between metaphorical and literal interpretation. Abraham? Moses?

557 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:52:54am

re: #555 Silas

The people that are in power now are the dogmatic atheists, and are just as ruthless with their power as the clergy of hundreds of years ago. How have things changed?

How are atheists in power and using it ruthlessly? It's de rigeur for political and military leaders to profess faith, freedom of religion is the order of the day (at least round here), and theistic people are prominent in every field, profession and area of expertise. I have never felt even slightly ruthlessly overpowered by an atheist. Sort of bored by them, yes, sometimes.

558 Karridine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:53:20am

re: #556 Crux Australis

So whereabouts (or more appropriately when) in scripture do we draw the line between metaphorical and literal interpretation. Abraham? Moses?

Perhaps there are more recent publications from the same Author, dating from May 23, 1844 onward?

These would clarify and elucidate, as well as reveal for THIS Day and Age, wouldn't they...

559 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:53:24am

re: #380 victor_yugo

Every time communism is tried, it fails, but Mr. Gould couldn't be bothered to acknowledge this simple fact. If he was that selective about applying the scientific method, why should I trust his judgment on anything?

His "scientific truths" mattered more to him than the suffering caused by those who declared themselves gods over nations, yet he aligned with those who arrested and executed his colleagues who refused to submit their research to the States' dogmata.

Consider the source. Would you trust Charles Manson if he told you "one plus one is two," or CNN if they told you George W. Bush is heterosexual? No, neither case would make the source more trustworthy. And so should it be with so-called "scientists" who espouse elimination of the freedoms that true scientists require for their work.

umm...because of the thousands upon thousands of empirical scientists who would dearly love to make their careers by proving him wrong? Empirical science is self-correcting that way.

560 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:55:36am

re: #556 Crux Australis

Why is said "line" needed?

561 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:55:59am

re: #556 Crux Australis

So whereabouts (or more appropriately when) in scripture do we draw the line between metaphorical and literal interpretation. Abraham? Moses?

I think that's a matter of faith.

562 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:56:28am

re: #456 MikeyHunt

...continued from #442

If you want to believe that you are evolved from apes , be my guest.

No 'luck' needed.

People don't actively want to believe that we are evolved from apes.

Its just that the evidence strongly suggests that we are.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest that we are descended from apes, why does it bother you?

563 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:57:15am

re: #442 MikeyHunt

Since there are an inordinate number of evolution type posts on the front page, I assume Charles is very interested in the subject.

Evolution is a theory and a bad one at that.
Although looking at some of the submenials I come in daily contact with, it might just be 'spot on'.
But no, the human species, (well, most of us) are from a higher seed, put here on this earth, by power(s) greater than us.
Whether from another dimension, or from another planet.
We arrived here pretty much in our present form. Not evolved from apes, or any other animal in the jungle.

Believe it!

Explain this, then:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

Looks like a conclusive demonstration of common ancestry between humans and great apes to me, and to everybody else who dispassionately and objectively peruses the empirical evidence.

564 Karridine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:57:37am

re: #560 freetoken

Why is said "line" needed?

Yes, why is it necessary to have some Authoritative Declaration stating "THIS part of Scripture is metaphor and THIS -over here- is literal..."

Can't we figure it out for ourselves?

565 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:57:58am

What happened to Mickey Hunt? Did he run away?

566 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:58:17am

re: #562 Mr Secul

People don't actively want to believe that we are evolved from apes.

Its just that the evidence strongly suggests that we are.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest that we are descended from apes, why does it bother you?

If it had been left in my hands, we would have been related to, I dunno, wolves, or something pretty, with good family values.

But I'm OK with being a great ape--or at least the best ape I can be.

567 Hobbes  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:59:20am

re: #545 zombie

No, I missed that one. Though I did see the dog in South America that dragged his dead buddy off the freeway, in the face of onrushing traffic.

I'm about to call it a night...hubby's very patient...but, I have to chime in here.
Zombie's right. People who think humans are the only creatures who feel, in my IMHO, are wrong. Have you ever watched any animal or bird closely? I don't care whether it's domestic or wild. These critters think and feel! How arrogant of humans to assume they are the only ones that can evaluate a situation and then respond. Yeah, I know, it's INSTINCT...right.

568 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:59:29am

re: #456 MikeyHunt

...continued from #442

If you want to believe that you are evolved from apes , be my guest.

No 'luck' needed.

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

It's not a matter of belief; it's a matter of checking out the empirical evidence, and being honest with yourself concerning what you find.

569 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:59:54am

I hope the distribution of fruitcup isn't going to be overlooked in this ongoing debate...

570 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:00:05am

This God-fearing great ape is going to bed. Happy New Years, good night to all.

571 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:00:21am

Happy New Year Lizards

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.
Fruitcup is served...>
Please help yourself.

572 Karridine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:02:00am

Well, its 5PM here in jasmine-scented, suburban Bangkok... over a hundred revelers dead in a night-club fire near me last night, and blood all over the highways, but Hey! we are having the time of our lives, eh?

/bbiaw, chores to do

573 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:02:32am

re: #481 MikeyHunt

Nope, just expressing my beliefs.

Sorry if I stepped on anyones toes.

Keep on believing what you want to believe.

We can agree to disagree. Yes?

I know I'm not evolved from primates, no matter what the New Yorker or some of you guys say.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

574 Karridine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:03:38am

re: #573 Salamantis

Bada-bing!

Opinion? Yes.
My own FACTS? Nope, sorry, doesn't work that way...

575 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:03:49am

re: #531 Slumbering Behemoth

What, haven't you seen that Disney film "No Dogs Go To Heaven"?

Yeah, me neither, but I do remember seeing this episode of "The Twilight Zone".

/hard science

Ah, a great episode! Yes, truly there are dogs in heaven!

576 Hobbes  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:04:03am

re: #571 Erik The Red

Happy New Year Lizards

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.
Fruitcup is served...>
Please help yourself.

Thanks. I'll give it to my husband who, I think, is feeling ignored.

577 freetoken  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:04:08am

re: #572 Karridine

Isn't there now a big demonstration of red-shirted rebels going on?

578 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:05:27am

re: #549 freetoken

You mean this video?

No, a different one -- more dramatic!

579 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:06:15am

re: #571 Erik The Red

Well done Erik. Work keeps getting in the way of posting the fruitcup. Seems less tainted this morning for some reason.

/uh-oh, hope I don't get the shakes. . . .
//white smoke

580 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:07:19am

re: #552 SanFranciscoZionist

To provide some context, the Great Pyramid at Giza was built about 4500 years ago. In a world with that kind of engineering, I don't find it odd that people were making nice clothes and trading flint.

Were you at the protest on Montgomery Street on Tuesday Night? I missed it. What was it like?

581 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:07:36am

re: #491 MikeyHunt

Humans have souls.

Apes do not.

Big Difference!

btw...Happy New Year!

What you call a soul is what is known in cognitive psychology as self-conscious awareness, a property that evolutionarily emerged as we evolved larger more complex brains - a material substrate that could maintain it.

And great apes do indeed have the rudiments of self-awareness (they pass the same mirror test that people do - realizing that mirror images are reflections of themselves rather than others behind glass); they are just unable to engage in the abstractions that we are, mainly because they lack a language, and the ability to speak, although they can be taught sign system vocabularies raking in the hundreds of words.

582 Hobbes  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:09:04am

re: #572 Karridine

Well, its 5PM here in jasmine-scented, suburban Bangkok... over a hundred revelers dead in a night-club fire near me last night, and blood all over the highways, but Hey! we are having the time of our lives, eh?

/bbiaw, chores to do

I hope you are kidding.

583 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:09:15am

I think Mikey has run away with his tail between his legs.

584 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:10:36am

re: #583 Erik The Red

I think Mikey has run away with his tail between his legs.

As most trolls do. They stop by here, take their shit, and leave without even cleaning it up.

585 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:10:52am

re: #496 MikeyHunt

"The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible. "

Link to said 'evidence'

credible news source

TIA

When animals die, they are dead. Is that the same for humans?

It weas in the link I gave you.

Excerpt:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

“If Charles Darwin reappeared today, he might be surprised to learn that humans are descended from viruses as well as from apes,” Weiss wrote.

Darwin’s surprise almost certainly would be mixed with delight: when he suggested, in “The Descent of Man” (1871), that humans and apes shared a common ancestor, it was a revolutionary idea, and it remains one today. Yet nothing provides more convincing evidence for the “theory” of evolution than the viruses contained within our DNA. Until recently, the earliest available information about the history and the course of human diseases, like smallpox and typhus, came from mummies no more than four thousand years old. Evolution cannot be measured in a time span that short. Endogenous retroviruses provide a trail of molecular bread crumbs leading millions of years into the past.

Darwin’s theory makes sense, though, only if humans share most of those viral fragments with relatives like chimpanzees and monkeys. And we do, in thousands of places throughout our genome. If that were a coincidence, humans and chimpanzees would have had to endure an incalculable number of identical viral infections in the course of millions of years, and then, somehow, those infections would have had to end up in exactly the same place within each genome. The rungs of the ladder of human DNA consist of three billion pairs of nucleotides spread across forty-six chromosomes. The sequences of those nucleotides determine how each person differs from another, and from all other living things. The only way that humans, in thousands of seemingly random locations, could possess the exact retroviral DNA found in another species is by inheriting it from a common ancestor.

Molecular biology has made precise knowledge about the nature of that inheritance possible. With extensive databases of genetic sequences, reconstructing ancestral genomes has become common, and retroviruses have been found in the genome of every vertebrate species that has been studied. Anthropologists and biologists have used them to investigate not only the lineage of primates but the relationships among animals—dogs, jackals, wolves, and foxes, for example—and also to test whether similar organisms may in fact be unrelated.

Sal: And no one has ever come back from brain death to attest to the veracity of the belief that self-conscious awareness can survive the dissolution of its material substrate brain.

586 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:11:07am

re: #579 BlueCanuck

Well done Erik. Work keeps getting in the way of posting the fruitcup. Seems less tainted this morning for some reason.

/uh-oh, hope I don't get the shakes. . . .
//white smoke

Thanks Blue. Looks like you are the only one who is having today.

587 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:11:38am

re: #582 Hobbes

I hope you are kidding.

No, there was a horrific nightclub fire in Bangkok, 100 burned to death. For real.

Apparently it was near Karridine's place! I didn't know!

588 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:14:25am

re: #502 MikeyHunt

I guess that would be the problem of the person that posted that sentence.

I was thinking the same thing.

Apparently there's been a scientific breakthrough, I am completely unaware of.

You cannot morph an absence of evidence for the contention that self-conscious awareness does NOT survive physical death into evidence for the contention that it DOES. It's kinda like asserting that dwarfs must be fellating unicorns beneath the mountains of the moon, because no one has conclusively proven that they aren't.

589 Winslow  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:15:07am

There is only one creature in this world, known to have no soul.

This lifeless, deathless, heartless, soulless ghost
That feeds upon the teeming leftist host

590 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:15:43am

re: #575 zombie

Serling was an unique genius, IMAO. Though I am a youngun' by Lizard standards, I have always been a fan of the Twilight Zone series. Still am.

Sadly, I've been watching re-runs of the Night Gallery series, and they don't hold up nearly as well. No where near as good as I thought they were when I was a kid.

591 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:21:55am

re: #547 BlueCanuck

Ah loved that movie. Had some great songs too. ;)

I have it somewhere. I'm going to watch it later.

592 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:22:08am

re: #511 MikeyHunt

Then list just one "conclusive and incontrovertible" study from a respected biology or gentetic textbook.

Just one.

"The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible. " you said.

So this should be a no brainer for you.


Look fellow lizard, If you want to believe you are related to an ape, like I said..be my guest.
I believe differently, as I stated before.
Neither of us is going to change the others mind.
Just be accurate when you post things such as "The DNA evidence is conclusive and incontrovertible."
That is your (and many others) OPINION.

PEACE

I have just cited such evidence. Artifactual retroviral DNA sequences were spliced into organisms' genomes from outside, via retroviral infection. The statistical probability that thousands of the same artifactual retroviral DNA sequences showing the same degree of genetic degradation were spliced into identical sites in the 3 billion plus base pair genomes of human and great apes in the absence of such common ancestry - that is, that we got infected with the same diseases at the same times, every time - are vanishingly smaller than the chances that you could win every lottery and horse race for the rest of your life, by buying a single ticket in each, while willing every jackpot in every one-armed bandit in the world by sticking a single coin in each slot.

593 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:24:12am

re: #579 BlueCanuck

Well done Erik. Work keeps getting in the way of posting the fruitcup. Seems less tainted this morning for some reason.

/uh-oh, hope I don't get the shakes. . . .
//white smoke

try some of this one...

/stealth cup

the Cav is everywhere. %-)

594 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:25:15am

re: #593 redc1c4

try some of this one...

/stealth cup

the Cav is everywhere. %-)

Morning red. Your late. Sleeping in today?

595 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:25:57am

re: #593 redc1c4

*whew* Nothing like catching a case of the DT's. ;)

596 Hobbes  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:27:54am

re: #587 zombie

No, there was a horrific nightclub fire in Bangkok, 100 burned to death. For real.

Apparently it was near Karridine's place! I didn't know!

My god! I guess it's about time to call it a night! Didn't want to celebrate tonight, but, I did. Life's too short to let others dictate it, but what a sad way to end the night! I guess, the best thought is to be thankful for what we have.

Thank you Lizards for the last couple of months. I've been able to vent some of my frustrations. I'm new to the blog thing, LGF's was the first blog I ever "lurked". Thought it was pretty cool and was very excited when I could register. Thank you Charles for the open and Happy New Year!

597 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:28:15am

re: #581 Salamantis

And great apes do indeed have the rudiments of self-awareness (they pass the same mirror test that people do - realizing that mirror images are reflections of themselves rather than others behind glass)

Elephants do too. You probably knew that but its still cool. :-)

598 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:29:14am

re: #515 MikeyHunt

"So yes, when people come on here and try to trash "evolution" they can expect some feedback."

I didn't come here to 'trash' evolution... I just said I believe differently.
No I'm not a 'creationist' (as it's popularly defined) either.
But, I do know there is a difference between humans and animals.
Thats what I believe.
Humans have souls. Animals do not.
Souls don't 'evolve' over time.
Respect my beliefs , just as I respect yours.
We can agree to disagree, as I said before.

hey, we are all lizards ...right? LOL

Ours are not beliefs, they are knowledge. We have tsunamis of empirical evidence supporting our knowledge; you have not a single shred of empirical evidence to support your beliefs. That's why what we accept - on the basis of mountains of supporting empirical evidence - is knowledge, and why what you embrace - in the absence of any empirical evidence whatsoever, and in the face of massive and vast contrafacutal empirical evidence - is belief. There is much empirical evidence that falsifies your contention that humans and great apes don't share common ancestors. They manifestly and demonstrably do. Empirically proven falsehoods neither merit nor deserve the respect of people possessing honesty, decency and integrity. And they shall not receive it from me.

599 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:29:38am

got here late, since i decided to waste the evening re watching Animal House

it appears i missed the operational debut of "MikeyHunt", but that name alone should be a poster initiated green smoke.

why?

say "Mike Hunt" to yourself out loud, and get back to me.

now, can we pry open the hatch and drop a satchel full of WP and CS in on him?

/same shit, different year

600 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:31:40am

re: #520 MikeyHunt

ahhh .but an answer.. Do you believe that when you die, you are dead - that's it?
No... ? Then you have a soul, a spirit. T

hat's what makes you different from animals

When animals die they are dead - end of the line.

believe it or don't

You cann neither empirically prove that humans survive physical death, or that great apes don't. Both of these assertions are beliefs you harbor and hold in the absence of any empirical evidence whatsoever.

601 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:32:37am

re: #584 Walter L. Newton

As most trolls do. They stop by here, take their shit, and leave without even cleaning it up.

I don't think that the guy was a troll. Have I missed other posts on other threads?

I think he was stating his honest opinions. Disagreeing with the room doesn't make you a troll.

To me the defining characteristic of trolls is that they want the attention and they want to offend. They don't care for the particular argument. They want to spread heat, not light.

602 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:33:21am

re: #594 Erik The Red

Morning red. Your late. Sleeping in today?

i was trying to be good and user friendly and...
lets just say it was a fucking waste of time.

then i watched some old movies on TV.
now it's a race between the ETOH & the meds to see which put me to sleep.

/may be stuck with me for awhile

603 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:33:40am

re: #597 Mr Secul

Elephants do too. You probably knew that but its still cool. :-)

That is pretty cool.

604 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:34:11am

re: #601 Mr Secul

Well, when something states that there is no evidence for X, and you say yes, and they come back and say prove it. When you do the poster shuts up and is not heard from again, I call troll.

605 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:35:47am

re: #523 zombie

Yes, people are free to believe what they want. But their beliefs don't alter reality.

In reality, you are related to apes. Very closely related. And so am I. And all other humans.

Sorry to be the one to have to break the news to you.

Now, you are free to go your merry way and "believe" otherwise, but you will be believing a delusion. Which, this being a free country, you are free to do.

He seems to believe that when everybody believed that the earth was flat and circled by the sun, that this was indeed the case, and that reality only changed when a majority of people came to accept a spherical earth circling the sun. In other words, he seems to believe that empirical facticity is a matter of consensus opinion subject to a popularity contest.

This belief is quantums beyond emotionally motivated self-delusion, and all the way into the realm of willful ignorance.

606 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:40:31am

re: #601 Mr Secul

I don't think that the guy was a troll. Have I missed other posts on other threads?

I think he was stating his honest opinions. Disagreeing with the room doesn't make you a troll.

To me the defining characteristic of trolls is that they want the attention and they want to offend. They don't care for the particular argument. They want to spread heat, not light.

as opposed to "mission posters" which are trolls by another name...

funny how all but two of your most recent comments are on ID threads.
(click on the nick for the rundown...%-)

i call bullshit.

/green smoke out

607 zombie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:43:50am

re: #589 Winslow

There is only one creature in this world, known to have no soul.

This lifeless, deathless, heartless, soulless ghost
That feeds upon the teeming leftist host

You keep imortalizing me!

So it's your fault I'm trapped in this undead netherworld!

608 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:47:27am

re: #607 zombie

You keep imortalizing me!

So it's your fault I'm trapped in this undead netherworld!

there is no future,
no reason for hope,
so lets give up and smoke some dope.

hows the IP freely crusade going with SF Gate?

609 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:49:54am

re: #608 redc1c4

there is no future,
no reason for hope,
so lets give up and smoke some dope.

hows the IP freely crusade going with SF Gate?

IP freely? Sounds like a good brand name for a diuretic.

Happy New Year, all you Lizards!

610 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:51:07am

Good morning Alberta Oil Peon. Happy New Year. Hope you are at home and not stuck at work.

611 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:52:37am

re: #610 BlueCanuck

Good morning Alberta Oil Peon. Happy New Year. Hope you are at home and not stuck at work.

I am at home, thank you very much, fat and happy, and just arrived home from a (walking) trip to the neighbours's where much rum and good cheer were consumed. Life is good!

612 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:54:12am

re: #604 BlueCanuck

Well, when something states that there is no evidence for X, and you say yes, and they come back and say prove it. When you do the poster shuts up and is not heard from again, I call troll.

I don't think that he understood Sal's evidence. If you don't know the underlying science then its just a collection of techno-babble.

You need to actually know what DNA is, how cells work (transcription, translation, etc). Know what viruses are and how they work. Understand that some viruses can insert their DNA into the host's genome. Have a clear understanding that what gets into the genome gets passed down.

You need to understand about pseudo-genes, paleovirology. Understand that we can read the exact sequences, how easy it is, and that we are not guessing about them.

There is a lot to take in and the verbose and arcane terms don't help.

Maybe he got a couple of paragraphs in and just gave up.

But I don't want to get caught up in this. He may be a troll. But I think he may not have realized how much work he would have to put in if he really wants to press his case.

Mikey, if you want me to explain any part of Sal's post then ask and I will try my best.

613 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:54:23am

Hawaiian Campaign Poster for Juggy

614 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:08:16am

Well, it's getting late, and I'm off like a bride's nightie. See you all in the new Year. Keep well, and stay safe.

615 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:10:52am

Good night AOP, weet dreams to you.

616 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:22:03am

Where is everyone? Still partying or sleeping it off.

617 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:23:15am

Blue I need 2 more up dings for 400 care to help?

618 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:24:27am

oy. [morning, ALL!]

Updinged your fruitcup, Erik. :-)

619 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:24:29am

Make that 1 thanks who ever gave me 399.

620 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:25:08am

re: #618 littleoldlady

oy. [morning, ALL!]

Updinged your fruitcup, Erik. :-)

lol thank you. Happy New Year.

621 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:26:49am

Happy New Year to you, too, Erik! And BlueCanuck! :-)

622 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:28:47am

No one is here. Still sleeping it off.

623 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:30:02am

re: #621 littleoldlady

Happy New Year littleoldlady. So good to see you this morning.

624 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:30:49am

re: #617 Erik The Red

Done. Nothing like gratious dinging. ;)

625 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:30:51am

Good morning, everyone! May you have a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year.

626 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:31:13am

Thanks Blue.

627 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:32:12am

Empire1! :-) Back atcha!

628 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:33:21am

re: #625 Empire1

Good morning, everyone! May you have a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year.

Same to you E1

629 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:33:25am

Morning Empire1, may yours be better then the last year.

630 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:35:44am

Did anyone have fun last night?

631 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:37:30am

re: #630 littleoldlady

Did anyone have fun last night?

It was OK. I'm not a great one for New Years. Fairly quiet but did consume some very fine scotch.

632 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:38:27am

re: #630 littleoldlady

BWAAAHHHAAAHHHAAA!


/not in the good definition at all.
//it's good that I am not issued weapons at work. :(

633 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:38:59am

re: #630 littleoldlady

Did anyone have fun last night?

Sorry forgot to add how was yours?

634 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:43:05am

re: #632 BlueCanuck

Ruh roh. :-(

Erik,

We were kinda whooped after the funeral. Shared a wine cooler with MNTS. Then up and down all night with revelers on the beach and all around the complex.

635 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:45:42am

re: #634 littleoldlady

Yeah, for some reason people don't understand that LOCKED DOORS mean something.

/and not to mention that my boss has the memory of a gold fish.

636 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:46:02am

re: #630 littleoldlady

Did anyone have fun last night?

Depends on how you define fun -- we had a nice quiet evening, just the way we like. And we didn't lose power, so I guess it wasn't too drunk out!

(Scuse any delays, please; I'm trying to type around my dachsie.)

637 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:59:21am

Yikes! Looks like I killed the thread!

638 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 3:59:29am

Well then.

639 MJBrutus  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:01:51am

"confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent"

This has long been one of my favorite quotes. It captures, so eloquently, the spirit of what science can say.

640 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:02:41am

re: #638 littleoldlady

Did you make any relolutions? The last one I made (and have kept!) was not to make any more ...

641 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:03:35am

Morning all and a Happy New Year. Looks like the Russian Bear is getting feisty again.

Gazprom cuts off Ukraine's gas supply

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian energy monopoly Gazprom said Thursday it had cut off supplies of natural gas to Ukraine after a payment deadline expired.

642 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:05:56am

Too much going on around here for 7 am in the morning...

This is our last day here and I have lots to do before heading home tomorrow, so I guess I'd better extricate the butt from the chair.

Good day and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year, ALL!™

re: #640 Empire1

I just read in an email that 62% of "the people" resolved not to make any resolutions, so you're in good company. :-)

Me, same as every year - CHANGE! ;-)

*p00f*!

643 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:07:45am

re: #641 Bubblehead II

Ouch -- those Ukrainians are going to be really hurting, especially in areas where natural gas is used for heating. At least the rural folks should still be able to keep warm.

644 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:10:39am

re: #502 MikeyHunt Think he was asking for proof Humans continue to exist after death there is none.

645 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:10:40am

re: #642 littleoldlady

I just read in an email that 62% of "the people" resolved not to make any resolutions, so you're in good company. :-)

A lot less stressful to just not make any, than to make ones you're not likely to live up to anyway, I've found. :)

646 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:11:01am

Does anyone need this help?

Youtube Video
647 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:11:11am

re: #640 Empire1

Hmm, a lot of people seem to do that. I did it years ago before it was fashionable. Only one I have kept too.

648 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:13:48am

re: #647 BlueCanuck

Hmm, a lot of people seem to do that. I did it years ago before it was fashionable. Only one I have kept too.

I can't remember exactly when I made that one, but it was before we moved to this house, so it was ... hmm. Christmastime 1999 ... OK, at least 10 years.

649 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:15:57am

re: #643 Empire1

I just hope they learned from the last time Russia cut gas supplies and have alternative sources of heat.

650 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:22:38am

re: #550 Crux Australis Mitochondial Eve.

651 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:22:42am

Ah yes, the joys of free health care

///

Medics Caught on Tape Allegedly Decided Disabled Man Not Worth Saving

Two EMT workers in Britain were arrested after they were heard allegedly discussing whether they should bother to resuscitate a disabled man who had collapsed at home and subsequently died.

652 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:23:07am

re: #649 Bubblehead II

I do, too, but that's not an easy thing to do in an urban environment, especially an apartment. Space heaters, maybe, but anything except electric can be pretty dangerous in a well-built building. Country folk generally have some sort of back-up as a matter of course, at least.

653 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:24:09am

re: #650 rustler
Bah here with linky Mitochondrial Eve, and Y chromosomal Adam shouldn't leave him out hehe.

654 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:25:39am

Good morning LGF.
As the Gazan Islamofascist Terror Entity stubbornly continues to fire missiles into Israel even while its infrastructure is bombed into the stone age, the absolute inevitability of a massive IDF ground operation is being confirmed. By Hamas' own actions it has become clear that until and unless the firing of missiles into Israel stops, the IDF will have no choice but to retake Gaza and to pursue a policy whereby the Hamas death cult will be methodically hunted down, uprooted and killed or captured.

My fervent hope is that the IDF will employ tactics in the coming search and destroy mission which will err on the side of minimizing Israeli casualties rather than trying in vain to satisfy the unrealistic double standards sought to be imposed by the various and sundry anti-Semitic and hypocritical international organizations.

Am Yisrael Chai.

655 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:28:17am

Good morning Rustler, Spare O'Lake. How were your evenings?

656 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:30:25am

re: #652 Empire1

True, we heat with electricity, but have a kerosene space heater as a back up. We never run it while we sleep and have CO detectors (as well as smoke) to warn us in the event of a problem.

657 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:31:11am

re: #651 Bubblehead II

You know, I think this part only hits someone like myself, especially because my line of work is in orthopaedics.

Even more interesting in the article, is the fact the description of the man being disabled.

He walks with sticks? Now I admit, I don't know anything about this fellow's medical history, but hip replacement surgery should allow you to ambulate minus any assist devices.

658 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:31:49am

re: #655 BlueCanuck

Oy, and yours?

659 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:32:12am

re: #654 Spare O'Lake

{DELETED}

660 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:33:46am

re: #654 Spare O'Lake

You can ask for responsibility, you can plead for sanity, you can beg for normalcy.

But when it comes to the welfare and wellbeing of your children and loved ones thats called WAR.

And there aint no fairness or love in WAR.

661 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:34:02am

re: #658 Spare O'Lake

Add a few more of those in and heaps of words four letters long.

662 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:34:34am

Well I got to go to work :-(

May all you Lizards have a Happy and prosperous New Year.

L8R

663 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:36:53am

re: #655 BlueCanuck
Good worked Chrismas and new years.

664 Empire1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:39:55am

re: #656 Bubblehead II

True, we heat with electricity, but have a kerosene space heater as a back up. We never run it while we sleep and have CO detectors (as well as smoke) to warn us in the event of a problem.

We have heating oil, but of course it takes electricity to run the furnace. Ditto the radiator-type space heaters for occupied rooms, so we also have kerosene heaters for those no-power days (like 5 days in an ice storm back in '93!). This old house is leaky enough we don't have much real concern about CO build-up, but we take the precautions you mention anyway.

665 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:40:50am

re: #651 Bubblehead II
Isn't this called triage. Should a first responder be second guessed if it is determined that there is nothing that could be done other than keep the man alive for a few days or hours before he passes again. Tho if it played out as stated in the News story they were wrong.

666 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:44:12am

Big question for the early risers ... will the 2009 fruit cup still have the same fruity goodness? Or will it be mixed with cheap imported mix to make it cheaper for the LGF consumer?

Only time will tell.

667 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:45:34am

re: #666 Buster Bunny

With the way red doctors it, who cares?

/weee the colours. . . .

668 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:45:48am

re: #666 Buster Bunny
Red will be adding more home grown additives to his to save on costs. Not sure what LoL will be doing with hers.

669 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:46:01am

re: #666 Buster Bunny

Big question for the early risers ... will the 2009 fruit cup still have the same fruity goodness? Or will it be mixed with cheap imported mix to make it cheaper for the LGF consumer?

Only time will tell.

It's all cheap and imported unless made by littleoldlady.

670 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:47:40am

Why oh why did the 13 year old troll have to leave before I got here. Nice tender troll buttocks that likely hasn't gone bad from to much time under pressure would have made a good breakfast.

671 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:48:35am

re: #670 rustler

Why oh why did the 13 year old troll have to leave before I got here. Nice tender troll buttocks that likely hasn't gone bad from to much time under pressure would have made a good breakfast.

You like em young rustler?

672 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:49:25am

re: #671 Erik The Red
Only when its on the menu old troll is to tough and stringy.

673 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:49:28am

hey rustler how about getting an icon?

674 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:50:14am

re: #673 Erik The Red
It's on the Agenda for this year.

675 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:50:40am

re: #671 Erik The Red

It is too early still, don't do that to me.

damn..

676 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:55:05am

re: #673 Erik The Red

How are the Wickets and such falling your teams way on the Cricket field.

677 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:55:07am

Ok, I'm sitting here trying to reconstruct my girlfriend's sales route all over the southwest. IRS would like to see proof of millage and some other expenses for her 2004 tax return. Of course, she never did any of the accounting, her dead husband did, and she has no clue as to what he did, how he did it, or where the backup records are.

So, I'm building a route, using her contacts from her contact database, attaching latitude and longitude to the zip codes and running them through an algorithm that figures mileage from point A to point B, using the geo coordinates.

Then I figure out mileage from each zip to the next, the same as she would have routed out her sales stops.

Last night we had a special event at the theatre, but I managed to get home by 11:30 mountain time, so I missed all the fun on the roads.

Took a short nap, and then this mileage programming project was running through my brain, I kept waking up, so I decided to spend most of the early morning working on it.

Shit, they are still talking about Mike Shanahan, 6:00am in the morning. I know there must be some other news going on out there.

Oh, Happy News Years lizards.

678 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:56:25am

re: #674 rustler

It's on the Agenda for this year.

How about
this one
or this
or this one
I think the first one may suit you just fine/

679 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:56:46am

Well my relief is here and it's time for me to go. Off to visit friends and family up north from me. It's going to be a cold day.

680 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:57:46am

re: #676 rustler

Just great. Wicket is not sticky. Wait maybe that is not so good/

681 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:58:49am

re: #677 Walter L. Newton

Happy New year Walter.. May the new year bring you peace, love and happiness.

682 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:58:58am

re: #679 BlueCanuck

Well my relief is here and it's time for me to go. Off to visit friends and family up north from me. It's going to be a cold day.

later Blue drive safe.

683 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:59:46am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

Happy New year 2H. How's the head?

684 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:01:04am

re: #683 Erik The Red

Happy New year 2H. How's the head?

Just got home...it's 8am here..party was a friggin blow out...

685 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:01:35am

re: #679 BlueCanuck
Later blue be safe.

686 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:02:04am

re: #679 BlueCanuck

Well my relief is here and it's time for me to go. Off to visit friends and family up north from me. It's going to be a cold day.

Have a good one.
And stay off the ice - we had a big meltdown last weekend.

687 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:02:21am

re: #678 Erik The Red
First one has my scare do, Cant see the 3rd tho stupid websense.

688 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:05:13am

Yay Olmert is saying no peace in Gaza til Hamas rockets stop. Hopefully they will stick it out and the commonfolk in Gaza will learn a lesson and think about who they elect. Too bad commonfolk in the US have to learn that lesson now.

689 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:07:39am

wasn't we talking about the sticky wickett earlier last week? Seems Mandy was wondering WTF it was. Happy New Year lizards/lizardettes, I am glad we all made it. re: #680 Erik The Red

Just great. Wicket is not sticky. Wait maybe that is not so good/

690 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:07:55am

weren't I mean

691 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:08:36am

re: #690 apachegunner

weren't I mean

Happy new year gunner

692 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:09:21am

gotta post this to change a number :>(

693 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:10:08am

re: #691 HoosierHoops

Happy new year gunner


yeaaa Hoops, HNY to you to. Party last nite?

694 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:10:39am

2009 begins with the first salvo to bail out the Mainstream Media with your tax money. But get this: Reuters quotes the Connecticut pol who broaches the subject without naming his party.

Yes, they are playing Name That Party with the first story about bailing out the liberal media!

Rest assured, he is a Democrat.

The story has lots and lots of happy talk about how important a 'free press' is for a functioning democracy. All presented without irony, since we do not have much of a free press left and our democracy is in tatters because of that fact. A federal bailout would only serve to complete the construction of a physical Ministry Of Truth (built with union labor no doubt) to objectify the psychological Ministry Of Truth that already exists in the heads of today's journalists.

But there is another level of corruption here beyond the usual liberal media bias so many of us have learned to filter out. What Reuters does not tell you is that Reuters itself is, like AP, in business to provide content to the media, especially local media. When local media goes south, Reuters goes with them.

Reuters is not honest enough to provide some sort of disclaimer informing you they are shilling for a bailout for themselves.

695 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:10:55am

re: #688 rustler

Yay Olmert is saying no peace in Gaza til Hamas rockets stop. Hopefully they will stick it out and the commonfolk in Gaza will learn a lesson and think about who they elect. Too bad commonfolk in the US have to learn that lesson now.

I like the idea of a 48 hr truce...Not for the reason most do.
once the truce starts the drones can watch where all the rats scurry too.
After 2 days we have a bunch more targets and intel.
BOOM!

696 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:11:03am

re: #689 apachegunner Morning gunner and Happy new Year.

697 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:12:25am

re: #693 apachegunner

yeaaa Hoops, HNY to you to. Party last nite?

got home about and hour ago...Head is fuzzy..mama is passed out and I'm putting on a pot of coffee...

698 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:12:51am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

Happy New year Walter.. May the new year bring you peace, love and happiness.

That was a nice selection of possibilities. I'll take one or all, even one would keep me happy.

And the same for you. And don't forget ORACLE PROGRAMMER. Did I shout that too loud>

699 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:12:57am

re: #695 HoosierHoops I'm all for a temporary drawdown to let the rats scurry or even stop firing rockets. I'm just happy Israel is sticking to it's guns.

700 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:13:32am

re: #562 Mr Secul

People don't actively want to believe that we are evolved from apes.

Its just that the evidence strongly suggests that we are.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest that we are descended from apes, why does it bother you?

My HS biology teacher said that we aren't descended from apes. If we were, she said, there wouldn't be any apes. A common ancestor, she could buy. Which might, after all, explain why a chimpanzee has 99% of our DNA.

On a similar note, in the words of General George Pickett: "I challenge the man who says that General Robert E. Lee is descended from a ape."

701 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:13:48am

re: #698 Walter L. Newton
As longe as said oracle predicts the downfall of the Obamanation I'm all for it.

702 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:14:06am

re: #689 apachegunner

wasn't we talking about the sticky wickett earlier last week? Seems Mandy was wondering WTF it was. Happy New Year lizards/lizardettes, I am glad we all made it.

A sticky wicket
Meaning
A difficult situation.
Origin

A wicket is, of course, the playing surface used in cricket. This phrase is a direct allusion to the difficulty of playing on a wet and sticky pitch. The earliest citations of the expression refer specifically to cricket. For example, Bell's Life in London, July 1882:

"The ground... was suffering from the effects of recent rain, and once more the Australians found themselves on a sticky wicket."

For the figurative use of the phrase we need look no further than the cricket-playing countries of the British Empire and Commonwealth. The first such citation that I've found is from the Jamaican newspaper The Gleaner, April 1930:

"Your Excellency, Sir William Morrison, and gentlemen. I am afraid tonight, owing to the rain we have had in this island of Springs, I am batting on rather a sticky wicket. We have just heard Sir William Morrison make, in my opinion, a magnificent speech. I do not hope or think of living up to that."

In slang it also means sloppy seconds.
/White smoke

703 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:14:43am

re: #686 Spare O'Lake

Have a good one.
And stay off the ice - we had a big meltdown last weekend.

Yep, have fun, and in the immortal words of FZ, don't eat the yellow snow.

704 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:14:53am

re: #696 rustler

Morning gunner and Happy new Year.


and a HNY to you too Rustler, glad you finaly can appear in person, kinda huh?

705 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:15:12am

re: #700 Steffan
The ape we and current great apes decended from no longer does exist. We are branches of it's line like modern great apes are.

706 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:16:25am

re: #704 apachegunner Ayeup.

707 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:16:46am

re: #697 HoosierHoops

got home about and hour ago...Head is fuzzy..mama is passed out and I'm putting on a pot of coffee...


my wife and i were extremely good last nite. stayed home with the grandson and his cuz, kissed at midnite and had a glass of merlot. thats all, i feel mighty fine this morning, got up at 6am without a alarm.

708 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:17:05am

re: #698 Walter L. Newton

That was a nice selection of possibilities. I'll take one or all, even one would keep me happy.

And the same for you. And don't forget ORACLE PROGRAMMER. Did I shout that too loud>

owww.my ears!
Next week I can send you a link to the job board..I dread deploying R12 on the 17th...We use so many custom forms..hopefully WMS will work

709 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:17:17am

See you all in 2 or 3. Going for a kip.

710 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:17:23am

This Reuters link is more informative about what Reuters does for a living...

[Link: sales.reuters.com...]

They are content providers for the media. A bailout for the media is a bailout for Reuters.

711 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:17:47am

re: #701 rustler

As longe as said oracle predicts the downfall of the Obamanation I'm all for it.

I don't want to see him fail. I really want to see him find that leading the country is bigger than some of his ideals, which there's no reason not to have, but let's hope the realities are what guides him.

If that becomes the case, then if he has the realities in hand, he can hope and pray for the idealism, and he may get some of that.

It's balance, when done correctly, that works best.

Let's see what happens.

712 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:18:18am

re: #703 Steffan

Yep, have fun, and in the immortal words of FZ, don't eat the yellow snow.


i thought zappa said that cause he choked on a lemon sno cone.

713 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:18:47am

hey eric

714 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:19:04am

re: #711 Walter L. Newton
I'm not pushing for him to fail persay, rather that the Campaign promises he made to get elected do. We are likely shooting at a target quite close.

715 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:20:04am

re: #707 apachegunner

my wife and i were extremely good last nite. stayed home with the grandson and his cuz, kissed at midnite and had a glass of merlot. thats all, i feel mighty fine this morning, got up at 6am without a alarm.

Sounds like a great night..All my buddies rushed over to kiss my wife at midnight...I like jealous friends! LOL

716 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:20:19am

re: #705 rustler

The ape we and current great apes decended from no longer does exist. We are branches of it's line like modern great apes are.

True. We just learned to screw up our environment better than they did.

/recalling stories of apes learning ASL and having pets

717 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:21:19am

re: #708 HoosierHoops

owww.my ears!
Next week I can send you a link to the job board..I dread deploying R12 on the 17th...We use so many custom forms..hopefully WMS will work

Please do, I like to work, I am really good at what I do, and even though playing "the starving artist" at the theatre is sort of insightful and interesting, I still wouldn't mind locking into a solid programming job again.

I make due with what I can, and keep rather healthy in spirit and mind, but there are things I prefer to do over other things, and programming is one of them.

So, keep me in mind.

718 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:21:23am

re: #716 Steffan You damn dirty APES.

719 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:22:04am

re: #712 apachegunner

i thought zappa said that cause he choked on a lemon sno cone.

Nannok..no no watch out where the husky's go
and don't you eat that yellow snow...

720 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:22:19am

makes ya a proud husband doesn't it.

re: #715 HoosierHoops

721 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:23:59am

re: #716 Steffan

True. We just learned to screw up our environment better than they did.

/recalling stories of apes learning ASL and having pets


steffen they screwed up the enviornment too didn't they. they were breathing and causing great carbon deposits in the sky.

722 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:24:47am

re: #715 HoosierHoops

Sounds like a great night..All my buddies rushed over to kiss my wife at midnight...I like jealous friends! LOL

Well, I was working at the theatre last night, a rental by a zany theatre troupe doing a gay/straight/cd/tv/bawdy take off on "Bonanza." And we catered, had open cash bar and champaign toast, about 100 patrons. Busy, but we had them out by 10:00, but it took the producers, the artistic director and myself another hour to clean up.

So, I didn't get a chance to nail anyone at midnight.

723 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:26:23am

re: #700 Steffan

My HS biology teacher said that we aren't descended from apes. If we were, she said, there wouldn't be any apes. A common ancestor, she could buy. Which might, after all, explain why a chimpanzee has 99% of our DNA.

On a similar note, in the words of General George Pickett: "I challenge the man who says that General Robert E. Lee is descended from a ape."

This is false. Some species groups can be geographically isolated from others of their kind, where one of the groups needs to evolve in order to adapt to a changed ecological niche, and the other does not.

724 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:26:26am

re: #717 Walter L. Newton

Please do, I like to work, I am really good at what I do, and even though playing "the starving artist" at the theatre is sort of insightful and interesting, I still wouldn't mind locking into a solid programming job again.

I make due with what I can, and keep rather healthy in spirit and mind, but there are things I prefer to do over other things, and programming is one of them.

So, keep me in mind.


lotsa luck on that Walt, the new year will certainly be better. HNY

725 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:29:33am

re: #711 Walter L. Newton

I don't want to see him fail. I really want to see him find that leading the country is bigger than some of his ideals, which there's no reason not to have, but let's hope the realities are what guides him.

If that becomes the case, then if he has the realities in hand, he can hope and pray for the idealism, and he may get some of that.

It's balance, when done correctly, that works best.

Let's see what happens.

I hope he's at least as successful as George Bush the Elder. Or maybe Herbert Hoover. He wants to be a second coming of FDR, but I don't think people will stand for the liberal-fascist New Deal redux. Read up a bit on Hugh Johnson and the NRA. Such a person nowadays would need a serious bodyguard.

re: #712 apachegunner

i thought zappa said that cause he choked on a lemon sno cone.

The complete quote, from "Nanook of the North":

Watch out where the Huskies go
And don't you eat that yellow snow.

726 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:30:02am

re: #722 Walter L. Newton

Well, I was working at the theatre last night, a rental by a zany theatre troupe doing a gay/straight/cd/tv/bawdy take off on "Bonanza." And we catered, had open cash bar and champaign toast, about 100 patrons. Busy, but we had them out by 10:00, but it took the producers, the artistic director and myself another hour to clean up.

So, I didn't get a chance to nail anyone at midnight.

Total bummer!
Next week let's hook up and I'll blue my nic and get you some leads as a PL/SQL Programmer...

727 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:31:02am

Here is Reuters blatantly, nakedly, voluntarily shilling Hamas propaganda whose ultimate goal is to strengthen the forces to complete Hitler's Holocaust..

[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

Do you want your tax money to go to Reuters by a federal bailout of the liberal press? How much of your tax money should go to supporting Reuters' liberal bias towards these guys?

728 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:31:27am

re: #725 Steffan

The complete quote, from "Nanook of the North":

Watch out where the Huskies go
And don't you eat that yellow snow.

Steffan.. Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears Poncho?

729 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:31:37am

re: #718 rustler

You damn dirty APES.

Think maybe that's why Heston joined the NRA?

730 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:34:03am

re: #728 HoosierHoops

Steffan.. Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears Poncho?

It's a real poncho -- I mean, it's a Mexican poncho.

Don't go to Sears for ponchos. :p

Can I interest you in a pair of zircon-encrusted tweezers?

731 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:35:18am

re: #727 Luigi

Here is Reuters blatantly, nakedly, voluntarily shilling Hamas propaganda whose ultimate goal is to strengthen the forces to complete Hitler's Holocaust..

[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

Do you want your tax money to go to Reuters by a federal bailout of the liberal press? How much of your tax money should go to supporting Reuters' liberal bias towards these guys?

I can't believe that article called the Pali's similar to William Wallace.
What a joke..
Reuters! Mayday! Mayday!
We are not buying the bullshit

732 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:36:19am

re: #719 HoosierHoops

Nannok..no no watch out where the husky's go
and don't you eat that yellow snow...


I guess I forgot to sarc tag that.

733 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:38:11am

re: #726 HoosierHoops

Total bummer!
Next week let's hook up and I'll blue my nic and get you some leads as a PL/SQL Programmer...

Or, you can always click on my name, it takes you to my playwright web site, and my address, phone number and email links are there.

734 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:40:27am

re: #733 Walter L. Newton
Beware the Floating apples they are seeking the decendants of he who caused them to fall to earth with his silly theories in the first place.

735 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:44:57am

re: #729 Steffan Nah Dirty Harry joined the NRA because theres just something about holding the 24oz of steel that is a .357mag that just makes for a happy feeling in your pants.

736 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:45:42am

re: #735 rustler
Well til you try storing said piece of steel in your waistband.

737 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:46:27am

re: #735 rustler

Nah Dirty Harry joined the NRA because theres just something about holding the 24oz of steel that is a .357mag that just makes for a happy feeling in your pants.

Plaxico had that warm feeling in his pants.. didn't work out so well :)

738 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:46:42am

re: #731 HoosierHoops

I can't believe that article called the Pali's similar to William Wallace.
What a joke..
Reuters! Mayday! Mayday!
We are not buying the bullshit

I sent them an email asking what color the sky is on their planet.

I wasn't particularly kind to them. My bet is that they don't publish it.

739 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:46:58am

re: #737 HoosierHoops
Yeah look above I realized it quick.

740 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:47:03am

re: #734 rustler

Beware the Floating apples they are seeking the decendants of he who caused them to fall to earth with his silly theories in the first place.

No relative. My grandfather on my dad's side was Walter Hess. In 1928, he was in the Navy, surgical assistant, went awol 3 times, stopped sending money to his wife and two kids, they attached his pay, he disappeared for good.

Showed up two years later in New York City, married a woman, told her his name was Walter Philip Newton. He ran up and down the east coast doing little medical jobs for the mob.

In the last 40's, he settled down and became a procurement officer for the Navy, working in Nova Scotia, purchasing items fro the building of the Dew Line.

He died in 1952, same year I was born.

So, Newton is just a made up name, never even really legal.

741 Steffan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:48:25am

re: #735 rustler

Nah Dirty Harry joined the NRA because theres just something about holding the 24oz of steel that is a .357mag that just makes for a happy feeling in your pants.

The one foolishness of my youth that I regret the most is selling my .44 mag to my cousin.

742 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:48:49am

re: #740 Walter L. Newton
Ahh cool just hope the apples are Smart enough to find the dissociation and don't just go off name.

743 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:50:33am

re: #731 HoosierHoops

I can't believe that article called the Pali's similar to William Wallace.
What a joke..
Reuters! Mayday! Mayday!
We are not buying the bullshit

A lot of people do buy it. People depend on the news for the news. Those surveys and interviews after the election provided evidence that the media is capable of keeping people in the dark. Reuters and AP pump this sh*t onto the doorsteps of Americans everywhere. They read it over their coffee and hear it at dinner on the tv news. They sort of believe it even though most of us learned during the Iraq War that the media has a liberal bias that favors radical Muslims over America and its allies.

744 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:51:09am

re: #727 Luigi

Here is Reuters blatantly, nakedly, voluntarily shilling Hamas propaganda whose ultimate goal is to strengthen the forces to complete Hitler's Holocaust..

[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

Do you want your tax money to go to Reuters by a federal bailout of the liberal press? How much of your tax money should go to supporting Reuters' liberal bias towards these guys?

a pox on Reuters - nazi sympathizers.

745 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:51:18am

re: #739 rustler

Yeah look above I realized it quick.

How to mess up the night
1. Take an unregistered gun into NYC
2. Put it in your waistband
3. Have a shell chambered
4. Don't use the safety
Have a nice evening

746 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:51:59am

Ok we've bailed out the Banks, GM/Crystler, And now the media when is it time for the Comman citizen to recieve his bailout.

747 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:53:56am

re: #745 HoosierHoops
Don't forget step 3b Drink a few beers. Really helps increase the enjoyability of the evening. A night in the Town the Plaxico way.

748 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:54:07am

re: #746 rustler

Ok we've bailed out the Banks, GM/Crystler, And now the media when is it time for the Comman citizen to recieve his bailout.

I got my check for 2 Billion last week..where the hell were you?
/

749 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:54:09am

Happy New Year:

May the Old Media ES&D this year. no bailout for hacks and Vietnam era propagandists.

Old media — and old Medea — threw everything they had at George Bush and the military in their quest for failure. They can arguably be blamed for encouraging Iraq’s terrorists to keep fighting when they might otherwise have quit, extending the war, and costing us hundreds of billions of dollars. But ultimately and fortunately, it is they who failed, and the hated George Bush and the Iraqi people who prevailed.

That result deserves a hearty New Year’s Eve toast. Bottoms up.

750 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:54:52am

re: #748 HoosierHoops
New Mexico they probably think we are just an Illegal Alien waiting room, not really a state tho.

751 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:55:48am

Shift almost over all be safe and stay scaley.

752 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:56:50am

re: #751 rustler

Shift almost over all be safe and stay scaley.

Chat with you soon..Happy new year!

753 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:57:00am

/driveby

Happy New Year Lizardia!

Hubby and I are absolute losers. We were conked out by 10:30 pm.

I blame it on the champagne (much better than blaming it on our dotage).

Very busy today - hope to be back later, but in any event, hugs, smooches and prayers for y'all.

754 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:57:23am

Happy New Year, Lizard Nation!

I hope you all enjoyed your parties, and that the hang-overs are bearable!

It was very quiet here, only the official fireworks, and a very few small ones. a great contrast to past years - but then, if the temperatures are in the low 20s, all the little hooligans and vandals are too wimpish to get out and terrorise the dogs, cats and elderly for days and days wth tehir illegal fireworks.

There remains just one more thing to say:

Happy New Year, Charles, and thank you so much for this blog, and the privilege accorded to us for posting here.

As long as LGF and the Lizard Army are up and running strong, even the bad things are bearable, be they on a global, national or just personal level.

755 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:57:32am

The news story I really want to see this year is a follow up on Mrs. "I don't need to pay my car note or mortage anymore. If I take care of him he gonna take care of me."

756 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:59:24am

re: #754 yma o hyd

Happy new year!
May you have a wonderful year

757 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:59:26am

re: #755 rustler

The news story I really want to see this year is a follow up on Mrs. "I don't need to pay my car note or mortage anymore. If I take care of him he gonna take care of me."


odds are the stupid woman didn't even vote :>)

758 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:59:55am

Hey there y'all - HAPPY NEW YEAR! from a cold (21 degrees going up to 44 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this year?

759 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:00:55am

re: #754 yma o hyd
HNY yma, fed the sheltie pasta last nite and there were hardly any fireworks in the neighborhood last nite. she loved it anyway

760 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:00:56am

CNN says Israel got a big Hamas fish. But see how they couch it -- not an attack on the guy but an attack on a so-called "refugee camp".

Airstrike on refugee camp kills Hamas commander
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Leaving aside the absurdity that people can be "refugees" for two generations, CNN assures us the attack was on the so-called camp and then goes on to affirm "the Israeli missile hit his house."

761 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:02:03am

re: #758 realwest

Hey there y'all - HAPPY NEW YEAR! from a cold (21 degrees going up to 44 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this year?


Happy New Year RW, stay up late last night?

762 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:02:43am

re: #759 apachegunner
Hey Guns - Happy New Year to you! How are you?

763 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:03:48am

re: #762 realwest

Hey Guns - Happy New Year to you! How are you?


man oh man, I am as cold as you partner

764 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:03:51am

Happy New Year!

765 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:04:19am

re: #764 ArmyWife
HAPPY NEW YEAR

766 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:04:24am

re: #756 HoosierHoops

Happy new year!
May you have a wonderful year

Thank you very much, HH!

Are you still up - or up already?

767 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:04:39am

re: #761 apachegunner
Whoa, 40 seconds apart! Well I stayed up long enough to welcome the New Year with the Central Time zone lizards, staggered to the Mountain Time zone and hadda go to sleep. So I guess I was up until a little after 2 AM here!

768 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:05:04am

Good morning real.

And a Happy New Year.

769 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:05:32am

re: #764 ArmyWife
Happy New Year to you, too!

770 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:05:34am

re: #746 rustler

Ok we've bailed out the Banks, GM/Crystler, And now the media when is it time for the Comman citizen to recieve his bailout.

They won't. I come from a credit background that was so perfect, I could shit money in a banks office. That all started to fall apart about 5 years ago, although I made good efforts to throw as much money as I could to the obligations, as I saw things go south.

So, I didn't take a giant hit, but I'm personally responsible for a 3 accounts, in my name, accounts that we A+ on payment history for over 8 years.

One is a equity line of credit on the home I lost. That company took a settlement and are working on a small monthly payoff plan.

But, the two other accounts are both related to HSBC and HFC, through one of their many revolving credit programs. You know, pay 60 dollars, one dollar goes off principal, and this goes on for 25 years.

I have been sending those two account a half payment for a number of months, with a 3 page letter telling them my whole financial situation. They have enough information about me to marry me.

Every month, for the last three months, they call, call, call and simply want the full payments. They won't set any alternate payment plan with me, even though I have offered it in writing.

And they won't send me anything in writing. HFC says they can put me on a "hardship" plan, but all they want me to do is give them a ton of info over the phone. I asked them to send the "plan" in writing, and they won't do it.

It's not like dealing with a "personal" loan officer anymore. It's almost like they are set up to LOOSE money, their money, because they can't bend their rules.

In the 70's, I worked 7 years in credit and collections. I remember working with people having problems, working things out. We had the ability to actually make a difference in the way a person "restructured" their finances.

Not now. It's no wonder these companies need a bailout. They don't have the skills, or programs, or training, or ability to work with their clients anymore.

Once you sign that piece of paper, a human never really has any meaningful input on that agreement again.

Basically it's Namaste all the way.

771 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:05:38am

re: #755 rustler

Me too. Really, I want to see that. I want the question to be "Has Obama picked up that mortgage payment for you yet?"

772 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:05:51am

re: #767 realwest
pretty late you devil

773 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:06:35am

re: #768 Village Idiot's Apprentice Hi VIA! Wishes for you and yours for a very Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year my friend!
Are you still at home?

774 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:06:36am

re: #766 yma o hyd

Thank you very much, HH!

Are you still up - or up already?

LOL
Got home about 7:30am today..Mama is asleep..great blow out party..
I wonder how long I'll be up...Vegas has odds

775 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:07:51am

re: #771 ArmyWife

Me too. Really, I want to see that. I want the question to be "Has Obama picked up that mortgage payment for you yet?"

Happy new year!
Kind regards

776 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:08:01am

re: #770 Walter L. Newton

We bailed out the media? Seriously?

777 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:08:01am

re: #759 apachegunner

HNY yma, fed the sheltie pasta last nite and there were hardly any fireworks in the neighborhood last nite. she loved it anyway

Funny that - I did the same, and we also only had the one big official one, and one small neighbourhood one.
Hardly anything during the day and evening.

It was perishing here, in the low 20s - I'm sure that was one reason!

Mind - I found that Madame was more apprehensive when I started to sneeze my head off than from any fireworks. So - pasta doesn't work in all instances!

778 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:08:51am

re: #773 realwest

I head back to the ship on the 6th.
Good to be home with family for a while though.

It's cold out...the cigar is done.
It's time to go inside and warm up.

779 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:09:24am

re: #777 yma o hyd
well, between you and me it works for me :>)

780 jim in virginia  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:09:32am

Happy New Year! Rustler, congratulations on making it in.

781 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:09:46am

re: #770 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter - Happy New Year to you (again!). Sorry to hear about your financial plight - have you ever considered bankruptcy?
The bankruptcy referee will MAKE them take a payoff plan and if they refuse, totally wipe out the debt you owe them.
Just a thought...

782 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:09:54am

re: #778 Village Idiot's Apprentice

I head back to the ship on the 6th.
Good to be home with family for a while though.

It's cold out...the cigar is done.
It's time to go inside and warm up.

What ship sailor?
Happy new year!

783 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:10:29am

re: #775 HoosierHoops

I am glad you had a good time last night! We went to my sister's. I should have taped my husband, my brother and my brother-in-law paying Rock Band on the Wii. It was hysterical! My brother had a band in high school and he told my youngest (the one who is taking over the world) that this would be a piece of cake for him because he had been a rock star. She says "Riiiggghhht. In basements." It was great.

784 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:10:48am

Bah no relief arrived for me yet so I'm sorta back til they show up.

785 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:11:20am

re: #772 apachegunner
Well the truth is I fell asleep after dinner and desert for about an hour, so I got some sleep then; but today is gonna be a big nap day for sure! LOL!
How's about yourself - how late were you up?

786 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:11:25am

re: #776 ArmyWife
Not yet they next up for bailout tho.

787 Lincolntf  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:11:30am

Happy New Years all! (A wee bit hungover here in the Piedmont...)

788 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:12:30am

re: #786 rustler

Well quick! Let's form a guild and start a paper! We have Walter - he is a pro writer, after all. Some of the ammies on here aren't too shabby either!

789 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:13:14am

re: #785 realwest

Well the truth is I fell asleep after dinner and desert for about an hour, so I got some sleep then; but today is gonna be a big nap day for sure! LOL!
How's about yourself - how late were you up?


kissed the wife at midnight, finished a glass of merlot and we went to bed shortly afterward. woke up at 6 this morning bright eyed and bushy tailed

790 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:13:24am

re: #770 Walter L. Newton
Doh sorry to hear it, but yeah they are biting themselves in the foot by failing to negotiate and just passing the losses on to others.

791 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:13:38am

re: #778 Village Idiot's Apprentice Ah crap - the 6th? Wish for your sake it was a longer visit. You mean to tell us y'all came outside for a stogie and started blogging too?
Woof - it's too damn cold for me to go outside unless the house is on fire - and then I'd stand as close to it as I could for as long as I could! LOL!

792 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:13:40am

re: #776 ArmyWife

We bailed out the media? Seriously?

From headlines at HotAir:
Government aid could save U.S. newspapers, spark debate

By Robert MacMillan - Analysis

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Connecticut lawmaker Frank Nicastro sees saving the local newspaper as his duty. But others think he and his colleagues are setting a worrisome precedent for government involvement in the U.S. press.

Nicastro represents Connecticut's 79th assembly district, which includes Bristol, a city of about 61,000 people outside Hartford, the state capital. Its paper, The Bristol Press, may fold within days, along with The Herald in nearby New Britain.
[snip]

793 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:14:09am

MSNBC comes close to not blatantly lying to us in this piece about how the Gaza war is further dividing the Palis

Israel's attacks on Gaza deepen Palestinian rift
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

As I've said before, there is a strong up-side to leaving Hamas in place in Gaza. It hopelessly divides the primary front against Israel, making it impossible for the Palis to unify. This puts back, year after year, the establishment of a united terror state that would inevitably find a national purpose in killing Jews.


"The fragmentation has really frustrated the population," said Qais Abdul Karim, a Palestinian Legislative Council member who belongs to neither Fatah nor Hamas. "There is no unity in the national movement and no unity in the street. These attacks have increased the divisions. They should have done the opposite."

That dynamic may explain, at least in part, why public reaction to the Gaza strikes in the Israeli-occupied West Bank has been milder than many analysts predicted.


The PR may be "milder" in the West Bank, but here in America the WaPo still describes Hamas' unprovoked and indiscriminate rocket attacks against their neighbor Israel as "armed resistance."

794 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:14:16am

re: #787 Lincolntf

Happy New Years all! (A wee bit hungover here in the Piedmont...)


HAPPY NEW YEAR Lf

795 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:15:15am

re: #780 jim in virginia
Hey Jim - Happy New Year to you! It's been a long time since I've been up early enough to catch you out here!
How are you and yours doing?

796 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:15:19am

re: #757 apachegunner
Yeah Obama girl failed to register at least for the Dem Primaries no coverage on whether she actually showed up for the Nov election tho.

797 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:15:54am

re: #778 Village Idiot's Apprentice

I head back to the ship on the 6th.
Good to be home with family for a while though.

It's cold out...the cigar is done.
It's time to go inside and warm up.


ya gotta be texting with gloves on Village guy

798 Lincolntf  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:16:01am

re: #792 abolitionist

Talk about "give them an inch, they'll take a mile". These never-ending bailout proposals could be stories from The Onion. Ridiculous.

799 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:16:01am

re: #782 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! Happy New Year to y'all! You've been up all night?!

800 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:16:57am

... and we're off to a good start in 2009:

Israeli air strike kills Hamas political leader

"Nizar Rayyan, who advocated renewal of suicide bombings against Jewish state, killed with four other people, including members of his family ..."

Read the rest - he fully deserved this.

801 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:17:09am

re: #783 ArmyWife

I am glad you had a good time last night! We went to my sister's. I should have taped my husband, my brother and my brother-in-law paying Rock Band on the Wii. It was hysterical! My brother had a band in high school and he told my youngest (the one who is taking over the world) that this would be a piece of cake for him because he had been a rock star. She says "Riiiggghhht. In basements." It was great.

That sounds like so much fun.. I got Rock Band last year for the 16yr at Christmas.. We had a party for new years eve and my totally drunk SIL was singing and I told my son..If you want a truck this summer you'll video every bit of this..He was on it for the next hour..
This stuff is priceless..total blackmail material...

802 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:17:30am

re: #787 Lincolntf
Happy New Year to you - and it's a shame you're only a "tad" hungover; if you have to suffer from a hangover, it might as well be a big one (at least that was my theory back in the day when I used to drink)!

803 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:17:39am

re: #782 HoosierHoops

Morning HooserHoops

I'm on one of the ones out of Japan.
Around april I finish two years there and head back to CONUS for a final tour before I retire.

Man...the years have flown by in a flash.
I remember Boot Camp like it was just last year.

Now...I'm the old guy that gets all the questions like "back in the old days did they really...?"

Insert Ancient Mariner joke here

804 Karridine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:18:14am

re: #577 freetoken Many AM and FM news outlets are NOT CARRYING updates about the Taksin counter-Mob demonstrations, at least in part because Thais are so angry and hurt because of The Mob (Pukes Against Democracy) usurping power from the legitimate government and SCREWING THAI TOURISM so badly, that they just want to party for New Year's and quietly celebrate with friends.

Hoping yours is a happy, memorable and SAFE New Year's celebration, FreeToken...

805 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:18:16am

re: #799 realwest
Are you Saying Hoops is An Afgani tribal chief recieving Viagra, to keep his 4 teenage wives happy, from uncle sam in return for information on Al Qaeda.

806 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:18:23am

Israeli army tells foreign journos to blog off

Russian war correspondent Sergei Grankin has reported from Iraq, Kosovo and West Bank, but right now he can’t get into Gaza - and it’s not because he’s afraid to go there.

Since Monday journalists have been unable to film these tanks on the Gaza-Israel border, as the area has been declared a closed military zone.

Sergei has been discussing with his editor what to do. Each day he goes to the border but is stopped by the Israeli army who say it’s for his own protection.

“All the pictures that are coming out of Gaza are being filmed by Hamas’ people, or people under the control of Hamas. Many of the pictures have been censored, like sometimes when the Israeli army shoots and dozens of people are left dead. The only pictures we see are pictures of dead children. If there were independent journalists inside, maybe they’d be criticising the Israeli operation, but at least they’d be giving a different side about what is happening,” Grankin says.

He has a point. The media is using Paliwood pics & videos for their reports. I would tell the press to enter at their own risk and Israel would not be responsible for and reporter deaths.

807 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:19:18am

re: #792 abolitionist

"I truly believe that no democracy can remain healthy without an equally healthy press," said Fiedler, now dean of Boston University's College of Communication. "Thus it is in democracy's interest to support the press in the same sense that the human being doesn't hesitate to take medicine when his or her health is threatened."

No analysis at all that a healthy press does exist - just no longer in the form of rags like NYT or the Washington Compost. As proof, we just read that article, didn't we?

808 Lincolntf  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:19:33am

re: #802 realwest

I figure if I don't move from this chair except to refill my coffee cup, I'll be able to avoid finding out how "major" the hangover really is. ...baby steps...

By the way, it's friggin' cold outside.

809 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:20:34am

we ever have grown up Wii parties in the hood here. what a workout the tennis match is. re: #801 HoosierHoops

810 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:20:35am

re: #808 Lincolntf

I figure if I don't move from this chair except to refill my coffee cup, I'll be able to avoid finding out how "major" the hangover really is. ...baby steps...

By the way, it's friggin' cold outside.

Then you shouldn't have drank so much booze last night. Boo-Hoo.

811 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:20:41am

Hamas shooters, Chinese rockets

Good morning, everyone!

812 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:20:49am

re: #792 abolitionist
Huh, ya know I quickly scanned that link and didn't see the good Frank Nicastro's party affiliaion. Wonder why?!
Oh and Happy New Year!

813 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:22:10am

re: #803 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Morning HooserHoops

I'm on one of the ones out of Japan.
Around april I finish two years there and head back to CONUS for a final tour before I retire.

Man...the years have flown by in a flash.
I remember Boot Camp like it was just last year.

Now...I'm the old guy that gets all the questions like "back in the old days did they really...?"

Insert Ancient Mariner joke here

Very nice meeting you.. I was recruited out of College to work for the Navy. I spent 20 years building Nuclear Subs at Mare Island Navy Shipyard.
My heart loves the Navy.. And I stand in awe of the brave Sailors and Marines...

814 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:22:25am

re: #805 rustler
they all grew up?

815 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:23:10am

re: #814 apachegunner
And up but it was a temporary 4 hour thing.

816 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:23:23am

re: #806 NJDhockeyfan

Israeli army tells foreign journos to blog off

He has a point. The media is using Paliwood pics & videos for their reports. I would tell the press to enter at their own risk and Israel would not be responsible for and reporter deaths.

Hostages. Foreign Journalists make great hostages and have little or no direct influence in Pali Propoganda value because they cant be easily directed.

817 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:24:51am

As the FMSM report about the starving in Gaza, here's a nice bit of refutation:

"The World Food Programme has informed Israeli authorities that it has a full 2 week supply of food and does not want Israel to send any more food to them in Gaza."

From Elder of Ziyon, who has mroe stuff on the lies of UNRWA in that post.

818 jim in virginia  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:24:52am

Realwest my friend! How are you buddy?
My alma mater had its first post season bowl win since 1954. I'm so proud.

819 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:24:58am

re: #804 Karridine
Hey there my friend! Happy New Year to you Karradine! I sure wish y'all could get some peace and tranquility over there.

820 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:25:07am

re: #812 realwest

Party affilliation? Doubt there's any need to. It's Connecticut.

Happy New Year, RW.

821 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:25:16am

re: #812 realwest

Huh, ya know I quickly scanned that link and didn't see the good Frank Nicastro's party affiliaion. Wonder why?!
Oh and Happy New Year!

I think he's with the Amish Homeboys, isn't he?

822 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:25:25am

breaking news out of my hotel room in Ottawa, Can:

I am at Crowne Plaza hotel on Lyon St in Ottawa and there's probably a bomb threat out of our hotel. Police have the streets blocked. Fire fighters are out there and the explosive unit is on the scene.

823 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:25:35am

re: #805 rustler
LOL! No, that wasn't what I was saying, but I like the way you think!

824 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:26:10am

re: #813 HoosierHoops
HooserHoops,
While never a sub Sailoe myself, I know you guys built some mighty fine boats up there.

Thank you for your dedication and skills.
Many Sailors came back from the sea because of you and the people you worked with, and their committment to nothing but the best workmanship.

825 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:26:25am

Just watching Heidi the CNN moron who said "IDF is of course the Israeli Defence Fund.
And no subsequent correction.
twit

826 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:26:35am

re: #822 winston06

Wow. Keep us up to date on what is going on!

827 Karridine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:26:35am

re: #582 Hobbes

I hope you are kidding.

Actually, I do NOT kid about death by fire (or trampling or crushing) in a night club... or the deaths and maimings on the Thai freeways and byways... there are HUMANS here, and a sad number of them ingest alcohol or amphetamines before they drive, and a few of THOSE eat BOTH, and so offer especially hazardous options to oncoming or nearby drivers & pedestrians and bystanders...

No kidding, they're having the time of their lives, as are you.

And I.

/we just ain't doped up and driving, s'all...

828 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:26:59am

re: #806 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning and Happy New Year (again!) - ya know they can't do that, cause then the worldwide MSM would be against Israel! oh, wait...nevermind!

829 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:27:49am

re: #822 winston06

breaking news out of my hotel room in Ottawa, Can:

I am at Crowne Plaza hotel on Lyon St in Ottawa and there's probably a bomb threat out of our hotel. Police have the streets blocked. Fire fighters are out there and the explosive unit is on the scene.

Holy crap! Be safe.

830 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:27:50am

Good morning and Happy New Year.

Had a great evening, took the wife, youngest daughter and a friend of hers to a hockey game, then to a square dance, then home by 11pm for some snacks and the count down, A kiss from the Mrs. at midnight and fast asleep by 12:30.

Feeling great this morning and ready for 2009 to be a much better year in many respects than 2008 was.

831 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:28:08am

no rustler, i meant the teenage wifes grew up, they were married at 5 years old. re: #815 rustler

And up but it was a temporary 4 hour thing.

832 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:28:18am

Sailoe = Sailor

PINMF
(preview is not my friend)

833 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:28:27am

re: #822 winston06

Be very careful and take cover.

834 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:28:29am

re: #826 ArmyWife

can't see much from here but i m also curious to know whats going on. I am in downtown Ottawa which is the capital of Canada, as you kno

835 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:28:36am

re: #831 apachegunner Haha ahh my bad.

836 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:28:50am

Wha? New Huh?

837 Karridine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:29:04am

re: #819 realwest

You'n me and several tens of millions of upset Thais, Buddy!

Wish I could stay, but its been a LONG Jan One, so I'll catch you later, Realwest! You stay safe, y'hear? :D

838 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:29:16am

re: #799 realwest

Hey Hoops! Happy New Year to y'all! You've been up all night?!

Yea...I'm saying that..Can't you tell? LOL
My favorite part was about 3am when all the girls were dancing to some country song called walking the streets of Bakersfield by somebody...By 4am we were all dancing to crazy bitch...Then it got really fun..We were doing shots of some thing..and then mama called our 16yr to wake up and drive us home..she's asleep and I'm gracing your presence..Do you like the lampshade? Custom made...

839 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:29:26am

re: #818 jim in virginia

Realwest my friend! How are you buddy?
My alma mater had its first post season bowl win since 1954. I'm so proud.


go Vandy

840 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:29:46am

re: #836 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wha? New Huh?

Ahhh...

841 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:30:03am

Kevin Rudd ready for Guantanamo Bay inmates

TERROR suspects held at Guantanamo Bay could be secretly resettled in Australia within the year as the Rudd Government joins the British in moving to help Barack Obama shut down the notorious military prison.

The federal Government is preparing to quietly accept detainees but insisted yesterday there would be no wholesale intake of former terror suspects, as each of up to 250 prisoners would be assessed on an individual basis.

842 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:30:15am

i wish i could find out whats going on

843 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:30:25am

re: #817 yma o hyd
Hi there {yma} - Happy New Year to you! and I gotta say that if UNRWA wasn't lying it woudn't be talking, ya know - just a bunch of liars and theives and frankly better organized than our Congress is about the lying and stealing!

844 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:30:29am

re: #827 Karridine

Karridine

I never got a chance to say thank you for taking the time to show me around your area.

And of course...my e-mail crapped a bunch of my contacts right after our visit.

I hope you and yours are well.
And Happy New Year.

845 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:30:30am

Hamas leader killed in air strike

A senior Hamas leader has been killed by an Israeli air strike on his home in the Gaza Strip, Hamas officials say.

Nizar Rayyan, the most senior Hamas figure to be killed since 2004, had urged suicide attacks against Israel.

News of the strike came on the sixth day of Israeli strikes on Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip.

I like this year so far.

846 jim in virginia  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:30:35am

re: #795 realwest
We're all fine. Wife's Irish band played at First Night last night, daughters danced, we were home and to bed by 0100. Girls will be 14 on Saturday.
Oy.

847 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:30:45am

re: #845 3 wood

just posted this

848 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:31:02am

re: #822 winston06

breaking news out of my hotel room in Ottawa, Can:

I am at Crowne Plaza hotel on Lyon St in Ottawa and there's probably a bomb threat out of our hotel. Police have the streets blocked. Fire fighters are out there and the explosive unit is on the scene.

Keep safe, winston!
But do report if you can without annoying the police!

Happy New Year to you, bombs or not.

849 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:31:23am

re: #828 realwest

Good morning and Happy New Year (again!) - ya know they can't do that, cause then the worldwide MSM would be against Israel! oh, wait...nevermind!

Howdy!

I'm hoping for a much better 2009 than 2008.

850 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:31:24am

re: #818 jim in virginia
I'm doing ok my friend - uh, who's your alma mater?!

851 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:31:32am

I just made a New Year's omelet for my dog. Is that nuts? Put little bit of cheddar and half a pupperoni in it.

852 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:31:48am

a black van is entering the zone... several paramedic vehicles are on the scene. A bomb squad too

853 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:31:52am

re: #845 3 wood
Except the whole reporting of his home being in a refugee camp.

854 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:32:04am

re: #830 3 wood

happy new year 3

855 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:32:11am

Winston 06 this just popped up on Twitter:

"OK at Crowne Plaza at Shipyard Plantation Room 402"

The only problem with monitter is that you can monitor Twitter one word at a time.

856 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:32:34am

re: #851 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just made a New Year's omelet for my dog. Is that nuts? Put little bit of cheddar and half a pupperoni in it.

You made a New Years omelet out of your pup? What kind of sick shit are you into this morning?

857 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:32:52am

re: #855 SteveC

hmmm... weird

858 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:32:59am

re: #852 winston06
Good maybe it will be over soon go hang out in the tub for a while just in case.

859 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:33:18am

re: #856 Walter L. Newton

You made a New Years omelet out of your pup? What kind of sick shit are you into this morning?

Well, it is a New Year.

860 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:33:37am

re: #824 Village Idiot's Apprentice

HooserHoops,
While never a sub Sailoe myself, I know you guys built some mighty fine boats up there.

Thank you for your dedication and skills.
Many Sailors came back from the sea because of you and the people you worked with, and their committment to nothing but the best workmanship.

Thank you..The work force at MINSY was I think.. The most talented and dedicated group in the world...We built the best Subs in the world..

861 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:34:19am

re: #858 rustler

lol... i m going to take a shower any ways. hehe

862 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:34:21am

re: #806 NJDhockeyfan

Israeli army tells foreign journos to blog off


He has a point. The media is using Paliwood pics & videos for their reports. I would tell the press to enter at their own risk and Israel would not be responsible for and reporter deaths.


What, is it like he wants to provide some honest balanced reportage?
Sergei can go fuck himself.
Give me a break.

863 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:34:27am

re: #860 HoosierHoops

We built the best Subs in the world..

You worked at Quiznos?

864 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:34:47am

re: #838 HoosierHoops

Yea...I'm saying that..Can't you tell? LOL
My favorite part was about 3am when all the girls were dancing to some country song called walking the streets of Bakersfield by somebody

Streets of Bakersfield - Dwight Yoakam

./wish I had been there when the dance team got going

865 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:35:49am

re: #841 NJDhockeyfan

Kevin Rudd ready for Guantanamo Bay inmates

Heh.

So is Gordon Brown!

He wouldn't help Pres. Bush, doing this - but he's falling voer himself helping that nice young man, B0.

And, btw, these people are getting pocket money of £42 per week.
Our gracious government have raised the pocket money for old-age pensioners in state- or council-run care homes to ... £22 (just under) per week.

Something very wrong here!

866 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:35:55am

Thai nightclub fire being reported now 58 dead most from trampling. Per CNN Dumb hotel policy.

867 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:36:35am

re: #866 rustler

how many western pedophiles died in there?

868 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:36:37am

-29 C in Ottawa. Dry off before leaving hotel!

869 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:36:56am

re: #868 SteveC

freaking cold here

870 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:36:58am

re: #864 SteveC

Streets of Bakersfield - Dwight Yoakam

./wish I had been there when the dance team got going

Steve you have no idea...Lots of girls having fun..
I got my ass kicked in Hot shots 4 golf video..It was a fun blow out party.

871 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:37:00am

re: #867 winston06
Hopefully 56 of the 58 at least.

872 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:37:22am

re: #871 rustler

Amen! ;-)

873 jim in virginia  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:37:45am

re: #850 realwest

I'm doing ok my friend - uh, who's your alma mater?!


Rice Owls.

874 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:38:14am

Jews Targeted by Belgian Islamist Group

According to Belgian newspaper "La Dernière Heure", a list of possible Jewish personalities was found in the apartment of Islamist belgian-Moroccan Abdelkhader Belliraj during a search of his apartment, in conjunction with the arrest of some members of the Islamist Belgian movement.

This alleged "hit list" included other prominent Jewish figures such as Josy Eisenberg, producer of a TV program called "A Bible ouverte", (an open bible) on Channel France ; Simone Süsskind, an important figure of the Belgian Jewish community, and jurist Markus Pardes. Two additional names which were scribbled on the list were that of a journalist, Edmond Blattchen, host of a program called "Noms de dieux" (names of Gods) and of a Belgian writer living in Paris, Jean-Claude Bologne.

The list has been confirmed by the Belgian District Attorney's Office. No further details have been given.

The suspect has been in Morocco since February 2008 after his arrest. He was due to undergo a trial on January 9th on charges of having assassinated or having ordered the assassination of six people in Belgium during the 80's and on arms trafficking charges.

With this new development, one of his lawyers, Vincent Lurquin, has not received authorization to contact his client in Morocco or have access to his dossier in that country. He is equally not privy to the defendant's case files in Belgium, which has been pending for several months.

In Morocco, he was accused of having incited an operation to destabilize the current administration and of creating Islamist networks. He is known to have rubbed elbows with Al Qaeda and other radical groups. He has also served as an informer to Belgian Security Services. Apparently a man of many talents.

875 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:38:26am

re: #821 SteveC
LOL! Funny, I thought he was a Menonnite 'banger!
Happy New Year to you!

876 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:38:32am

was that "for" your dog or "from" your dog? re: #851 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just made a New Year's omelet for my dog. Is that nuts? Put little bit of cheddar and half a pupperoni in it.

877 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:38:33am

re: #843 realwest

Hi there {yma} - Happy New Year to you! and I gotta say that if UNRWA wasn't lying it woudn't be talking, ya know - just a bunch of liars and theives and frankly better organized than our Congress is about the lying and stealing!

Happy New Year to you, too, {rw}!

There are so many blatant lies peddled by these organisations and the MSM, one doesn't know where to start efuting them.
The real scandal is that it would take just a couple of minutes in the web for those jounlalists to find and read official Israeli sources which give the true picture.
But no ...

878 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:39:25am

re: #822 winston06
HOLY CRAP! Has the hotel given the guests any news? Can you get any news on CNN?

879 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:39:52am

Confirmed:

Big fire in Radisson Hotel here in Ottawa...

880 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:40:02am

Hate to poke fun at a serious story but would

Jean-Claude Bologne.

be Oscar Meyer in the US?

881 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:40:18am

re: #878 realwest

no... but i talked to front desk and they said it is a big fire in radison hotel across the street.

882 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:40:44am

re: #879 winston06

Ahh so fire no Bomb?

883 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:41:24am

re: #865 yma o hyd

Heh.

So is Gordon Brown!

He wouldn't help Pres. Bush, doing this - but he's falling voer himself helping that nice young man, B0.

And, btw, these people are getting pocket money of £42 per week.
Our gracious government have raised the pocket money for old-age pensioners in state- or council-run care homes to ... £22 (just under) per week.

Something very wrong here!


Britain is preparing to receive foreign terror suspects from Guantánamo Bay so that Barack Obama can shut it down, The Times has learnt.

Government sources say that Britain now supports moves to rehouse the detainees, despite previous refusals to help President Bush.

We have high school students in charge. Is Gordon Brown a total asshole, or what?

884 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:41:48am

re: #882 rustler i doubt it but there's an explosive unit vehicle on the scene...

885 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:42:07am

re: #879 winston06

Confirmed:

Big fire in Radisson Hotel here in Ottawa...

That is horrible news!
Come on 2009... it's already time for a come back

886 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:42:24am

re: #885 HoosierHoops

hopefully no one s hurt

887 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:42:36am

re: #845 3 wood

Hamas leader killed in air strike

I like this year so far.

The last line in that BBC story is this:

Israel is refusing entry to Gaza for international journalists.


Whatever irony challenged grunt at the BBC wrote that ought to ask around the water cooler if anyone ever heard of a chap named ALAN JOHNSTON. He's the last "international journalist" the BBC had in Gaza. He was kidnapped and terrorized for 114 days in 2007 until Hamas let him crawl back to the safety of the Jewish state babbling paeans to the Palestinian people and Hamas.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

888 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:42:44am

okay lads... i gotta go... have a wonderful day every one

889 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:43:50am

re: #884 winston06 Might have bomb Squad there as a precaution do the the large amounts of chemicals most hotels keep on hand for cleaning etc. Or maybe a suspicious item was seen prior to the fire.

890 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:44:33am

Penn State/So Cal should be a good game. Whatcha thinkin' Hoops? Wood?

C'mon take a shot...we can all make fun of the wrong people later.

Picking USC by 14.

891 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:45:03am

re: #830 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood - and Happy New Year to you!
I sure hope 2009 turns out to be a lot better than 2008, though I'm not laying odds just yet!

But waitaminute - you took your wife to a squaredance for New Years Eve? Y'all didn't even go out club hopping or anything like that?!? LOL!

892 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:45:38am

Dog ate the omelet up, came and sat beside me...leaned close and farted. He's happy.

893 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:45:40am

re: #875 realwest

LOL! Funny, I thought he was a Menonnite 'banger!
Happy New Year to you!

And to you, friend!

If you are curious, my alma mater is the Charleston Southern University Buccanneers. Never been to a bowl; went to the first round of March Madness, where UCLA used us as toilet paper.

/25 to 3 with 18:36 to go in the first half? Can I trade my soda for some hard liquor?

894 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:45:46am

re: #890 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Penn State/So Cal should be a good game. Whatcha thinkin' Hoops? Wood?

C'mon take a shot...we can all make fun of the wrong people later.

Picking USC by 14.

I have to go with USC..But Penn really travels well..should be a great game.

895 jim in virginia  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:46:05am

re: #859 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A dog eating vegetarian? You must be Korean.

896 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:46:06am

re: #891 realwest

You're surprised?

897 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:46:13am

re: #892 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He's just showing his appreciation for a great meal.

898 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:46:27am

re: #837 Karridine
You too, my friend - no joking about that - y'all stay safe.

899 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:46:27am

Ottawa Radisson evacuated; fire extinguished; 4 hurt

[Link: www.ottawasun.com...]

900 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:47:39am

Good New Year Morning to all! I hope everybody had a safe and lovely time last night!

901 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:47:44am

re: #838 HoosierHoops
ROTFLMAO! You called and woke up your 16 year old to come and get ya?! LOL!
And that lampshade is very becoming!

902 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:47:58am

re: #900 vapig
Morning and Happy new year to you as well.

903 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:48:25am

i'd go 21 or more for usc re: #890 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Penn State/So Cal should be a good game. Whatcha thinkin' Hoops? Wood?

C'mon take a shot...we can all make fun of the wrong people later.

Picking USC by 14.

904 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:49:03am

re: #842 winston06
Do the phones in the room work? Y'all might call CBC or someone and ask 'em what the hell is going on!

905 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:49:20am

re: #892 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dog ate the omelet up, came and sat beside me...leaned close and farted. He's happy.


your dog sits funny FBV

906 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:49:24am

South Carolina 10, Iowa 17.

Got an Ironclad bet on this one. Friend of mine is an Iowa girl who was on How to Look Good Naked last year. Loser buys the winner lunch.

No matter the score, food and female friendship is involved!

907 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:49:33am

re: #903 apachegunner Penn State by 3 according to my magic random result generator.

908 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:49:53am

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

/appropriate avatar included. :)

909 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:50:34am

Berlin defends Merkel stance on Gaza fighting

Berlin - A spokesman for German Chancellor Angela Merkel rejected criticism Thursday of her forthright support for Israel during the conflict with Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

Merkel's assessment, offered during her New Year address, matched that of the European Union foreign ministers, the spokesman said.

She had made it clear that she too desired a truce in the fighting as soon as possible, he added.

'However conditions have to be met, and the most important condition in the view of the chancellor is that Israel's security must be secured,' said the spokesman at her office.

910 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:50:39am

re: #846 jim in virginia
14?! OY indeed! LOL! Damn, time sure does fly by when you're having fun, doesn't it?!

911 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:51:13am

re: #904 realwest

[Link: www.ottawasun.com...]

912 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:51:15am

1-900-Bet-It-All says the team that scores the most points wins. Claims they are never wrong.

/I paid $9.95 a call for this?!?!?!

913 eon  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:52:00am

re: #899 Spare O'Lake

Ottawa Radisson evacuated; fire extinguished; 4 hurt

[Link: www.ottawasun.com...]

Good Morning, and Happy New Year, Lizards.

According to the Sun story, only one of the four victims was seriously injured, but those are life-threatening. Still, Thank G-d no one was killed.

Let's hope this year gives us more reasons to thank Him than otherwise, if you take my meaning.

cheers

eon

914 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:52:04am

re: #851 Fat Bastard VegetarianHey FBV! Happy New Year to you!
Uh, what's a pupperoni?

915 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:52:14am

re: #912 SteveC
Bah they told me the defense that holds the opposing team to the fewest points wins. They must not know whatthey are talking about.

916 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:52:18am

re: #906 SteveC

South Carolina 10, Iowa 17.

Got an Ironclad bet on this one. Friend of mine is an Iowa girl who was on How to Look Good Naked last year. Loser buys the winner lunch.

No matter the score, food and female friendship is involved!


all right, I love that score. the gamecocks have won there last two against Ohio State at the Outback SEC go for THREE

917 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:52:36am

re: #899 Spare O'Lake

Ottawa Radisson evacuated; fire extinguished; 4 hurt

[Link: www.ottawasun.com...]

Sorry about the 4 hurt..I haven't read the story so let me give you the details.
It was a wild new years eve party in Canada
There were 2 people in a room having wild sex.
Somebody lost their cigarette during their Congress
Hundreds of people standing out in the cold
Somebody says ' does this sheet make me look fat?'

918 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:52:37am

re: #854 apachegunner

Happy New year to you too

Sorry for the delay, had to walk the dogs.

919 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:52:53am

re: #914 realwest
Pepporoni flavored doggy treat from the same company as Beggin(bacon) Strips.

920 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:53:05am

re: #907 rustler

Penn State by 3 according to my magic random result generator.


man oh man. that would be USC with 3? what a gamble.

921 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:53:07am

re: #914 realwest

Hey FBV! Happy New Year to you!
Uh, what's a pupperoni?

Little doggie treat. Looks like a slim jim.

Rocky (the dog) is 4 and half pounds of thunder. He is so damn happy right now he could just shit.

Oh. BRB.

922 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:54:10am

re: #921 Fat Bastard Vegetarian To late clean up time.

923 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:54:41am

Hamas accepts truce "under conditions"

These guys are so funny! They think they can ask for CONDITIONS while they are getting their asses kicked!

924 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:55:16am

re: #865 yma o hyd
"these people are getting pocket money of £42 per week.
Our gracious government have raised the pocket money for old-age pensioners in state- or council-run care homes to ... £22 (just under) per week."
Something wrong there? Yeah, his name is Gordon Brown - did he even TRY to justify or rationalize that?

925 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:55:21am

re: #919 rustler According to a friend taste like pepperoni and bacon respectively. The peanut butter ones taste right too.

926 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:55:27am

re: #918 3 wood

Happy New year to you too

Sorry for the delay, had to walk the dogs.


I was prepared to wait till 2010

927 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:55:56am

re: #925 rustler

A friend, huh. heh.

928 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:56:04am

re: #891 realwest

But waitaminute - you took your wife to a squaredance for New Years Eve? Y'all didn't even go out club hopping or anything like that?!? LOL!

That's our idea of club hopping. We love square dancing, we don't drink, and we know all the musicians and regular dancers so it's fun to visit.

Plus it's reasonably good exercise.

929 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:56:25am

re: #923 SteveC

Hamas accepts truce "under conditions"

These guys are so funny! They think they can ask for CONDITIONS while they are getting their asses kicked!

Israel didn't offer a truce, did they?

HAMAS: "We accept your truce offer."

ISRAEL: "No truce offer was made."

HAMAS: "So, where do we sign?"

930 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:56:26am

Happy New Year to all! Looking forward to the Rose Parade.

931 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:57:13am

BTW, morning, lizards, and happy New Year!

932 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:57:19am

re: #927 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually my Aunt, but shes really easy to convince to do things when drunk.

933 legalpad  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:57:39am

I stumbled across this: Kennedy's Berlin Speech. Amazing how his views, stated in this speech are thoroughly reviled by the left. They criticized Reagan for calling Communism evil. But so did Kennedy.

934 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:57:47am

re: #908 rightymouse

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

/appropriate avatar included. :)

No! No! No! That avatar was last night! This is the appropriate avatar for this morning!

935 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:58:28am

Aljezeera's Gaza report is about the most unbiased piece of journalism I've seen today. That's how bad things are.

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

936 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:58:34am

Rooting for Joe Pa big time. Don't think I'll help much tho.

937 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:59:33am

re: #866 rustler
Duh, what nightclub fire and why does Winston06 at 867 think it was full of pedophiles?!
(still tryin' to wake up here!).

938 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:59:38am

Morning everyone!

I had a quiet, subdued NYE -- half a shot of tequila around 8:30 and nothing but seltzer until almost midnight and accepted a half flute of bubbly. Came home at 12:15, went to bed. No imperial entanglements, went to bed. No hangover, no stomach ache. Let's see how long I can manage this ...

939 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:59:46am

"The BBC's Mike Sergeant, in Jerusalem, says this may further strengthen the determination of Hamas to resist the Israeli air assault."

Not if they're all dead.

940 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:59:52am

The worst inform commercial in the world is for the snuggies..
My new years wish is that they go under and I'll never see those ads again.
BTW.. You don't need a snuggie if you own a sweater...

941 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:00:18am

Morning all!

Everyone survive the birthing process of "2009: Year of the One" intact?

19 days left with the adults in charge.

942 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:00:30am

re: #873 jim in virginia
Huh, I hadn't realized it's been that long a drought for Rice - they used to have some pretty good teams, as I recall!

943 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:00:39am

re: #923 SteveC

Hamas accepts truce "under conditions"

These guys are so funny! They think they can ask for CONDITIONS while they are getting their asses kicked!

"Hamas accepts this initiative on the condition that the aggression stops, that the blockade is lifted, that all the border crossings are opened and that it gets international guarantees that the occupier will not restart its terrorist war," spokesman Fawzi Barhum said in a statement.

"A ceasefire deal must be part of a global agreement including a ceasefire, the lifting of the blockade and the reopening of all the border crossings," he said.

The Rafah border terminal between Egypt and Gaza - the enclave's sole crossing that bypasses Israel - should no longer function under a restrictive 2005 agreement, he said.

Would someone please pop a cap in this guy's ass?

944 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:00:59am

P.S.:

Happy New Year from Northern Virginia.

Red Wings & Black Hawks are playing outdoors at Wrigley Field.

Awesome.

945 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:02:07am

re: #941 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

Everyone survive the birthing process of "2009: Year of the One" intact?

19 days left with the adults in charge.

You're such a buzz-kill!

946 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:02:18am

re: #937 realwest
Was a Thai nightclub. Thailand is host to many of the west's pedophiles.

947 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:02:37am

re: #940 HoosierHoops

The worst inform commercial in the world is for the snuggies..
My new years wish is that they go under and I'll never see those ads again.
BTW.. You don't need a snuggie if you own a sweater...

You! Yes, you, the idiot who is too stupid to move his arms once he puts them under the blanket! Now you too can own a Snuggie!

Or how about the little bluetooth looking thing that lets you hear a butterfly fart in a hurricane on the other side of the planet?

948 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:02:42am

re: #944 jcbunga

P.S.:

Happy New Year from Northern Virginia.

Red Wings & Black Hawks are playing outdoors at Wrigley Field.

Awesome.

Hockey the way it was meant to be played! Beautiful... I hope they fight.

949 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:02:48am

I saw the Big Apple Circus in Lincoln Center last night. The performance was timed to end at midnight, and then they handed out champagne, party hats, noisemakers, and clown noses. We were encouraged to dance in the ring with the performers to retro music performed by the circus band. I can tell you first hand, clown noses are the way to go! And there's something special about a lizard with a clown nose! ;-)

Great circus and great party!

950 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:02:51am

re: #945 vapig

You're such a buzz-kill!

OK... in 20 days you get your Unicorn.

/That better?

951 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:03:13am

re: #877 yma o hyd
What, you expect "journalists" to actually, ya know, do research or something?
Sheeesh, next time you'll be saying as how they ought to just report the who, what,where, when and why of a story and let the editors do the editorializing!
:)

952 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:03:30am

Will Hillary Clinton be the most corrupt Secretary of State in American History?

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]


[Link: www.ibtimes.com...]

953 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:03:36am

Okay, my day to talk about the dog.

Last night, wife out of town being a "fag hag" for a big gay New Years Bash.
Daughter out of town with friends for New Years.

I was at a friends house with some other folks. Got down in the living room floor with their (big GORGEOUS) dog and played with her. Had a total, paralyzing guilt attack about my little dog sitting at home alone, jumped up, went home.

Watched the ball come down at home, blanket over my lap, dog on the blanket. Alone.

Was surreally satisfying.

954 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:03:37am

re: #934 vapig

No! No! No! That avatar was last night! This is the appropriate avatar for this morning!


lol!

I saved my liver for today. Going to over to see friends for major party time.

955 eon  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:04:32am

re: #909 NJDhockeyfan

Berlin defends Merkel stance on Gaza fighting

There seems to be a sea change in European opinion about the MidEast (except of course among the "sixty-eighters" and the rest of the "enlightened elite'"). The general opinion now is that in Gaza, Hamas and Fatah had a chance to show they could actually be a legitimate government. Instead, they decided to have a civil war, and then the winners (Hamas) went back to trying to kill Israelis at random and wholesale. Now that they are reaping the whirlwind from the wind they sowed, they are falling back on the standard gambit of claiming victim status. Except this time around, the majority of Europeans, and the majority of their governments, aren't buying it.

The bottom line being that at some point, a liar always tells one lie too many.

And that in an age when Europeans are finding out first-hand how irrational Islamists can be in Europe itself, the traditional "conventional wisdom" of the intelligentsia (Palestinians= innocent/good, Israel= evil/bad) is looking less and less supportable- and more like the anti-Semitism it always really has been but that no one dared to mention in "polite conversation".

I personally look for that very subject to come "out of the closet" in Europe in the near future. I just don't expect the same from our home-grown "enlightened ones". That would require honesty, and facing facts as opposed to trying to force the world into conformance with their fantasies- two things our "intelligentsia" will do anything else rather than acquiesce to.

It's going to be an interesting year.


cheers

eon

956 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:04:36am

re: #946 rustler

Was a Thai nightclub. Thailand is host to many of the west's pedophiles.

So is the west.

957 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:04:45am

California governor offers new budget fix plan

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday proposed closing a $42 billion budget gap by shortening the school year, borrowing nearly $5 billion, raising the sales tax and tapping the state lottery.

But even if legislators agree with proposals to cover the next 18 months, California might run out of cash in February and have to defer some payments and resort to IOUs -- promises to pay.

California, the most populous U.S. state, is a social trendsetter that is also at the leading edge of local governments failing to come to terms with an economic crisis.

The state expects unemployment of more than 9 percent in 2009 and 2010 on top of a mortgage crisis that has already dented tax revenue.

"We are facing a major crisis," Finance Director Mike Genest said, showing the plan to reporters. "These are really difficult choices. These are substantial tax increase. These are major program reductions, and even with all of that we couldn't quite get there," he added, explaining the decision to try to tap the bond markets for $4.7 billion in July.

There is a great opportunity here for a clear thinking Governor to jump to the fore front of economic development. A lot of these twits are raising taxes, instead I would be cutting taxes, cutting spending and welcoming business to move to my state to boost revenues and employment.

You will also likely see a stampede of special interest groups running to court to try to get their interests made an entitlement (if they are not already that) to insure funding.

It is going to be very interesting to see what happens in California.

958 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:05:05am

re: #923 SteveC

Hamas accepts truce "under conditions"

These guys are so funny! They think they can ask for CONDITIONS while they are getting their asses kicked!

"The Rafah border terminal between Egypt and Gaza - the enclave's sole crossing that bypasses Israel - should no longer function under a restrictive 2005 agreement"

He's just pissed coz all his precious tunnels have been blowed up!

959 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:05:21am

re: #941 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

Everyone survive the birthing process of " 2009: Year of the One of the One" intact?

FTFY

960 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:05:49am

re: #948 Sharmuta

Happy New Year. I'd give you the finger, but Rustler is already shooting one at you. Really. I saw him.

961 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:06:12am

re: #951 realwest

What, you expect "journalists" to actually, ya know, do research or something?
Sheeesh, next time you'll be saying as how they ought to just report the who, what,where, when and why of a story and let the editors do the editorializing!
:)

There are only 2 phrases the modern journalist needs to ply his or her craft--

"Well, ya, know, that's interesting."
and
"There are some who say..."

These 2 phrases alone can be strung together to make an entire newscast.

Well ya know, there are some who say that's interesting...etc.

962 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:06:15am

re: #900 vapig
Good morning and Happy New Year to you!

963 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:06:19am

re: #956 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Yeah but many western Pedophiles see Thailand as their Mecca.

964 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:06:36am

re: #947 SteveC

Or how about the little bluetooth looking thing that lets you hear a butterfly fart in a hurricane on the other side of the planet?

But that butterfly fart will change the weather patterns over the Gulf and give us another Katrina, right?

/chaos theory geek

965 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:06:43am

re: #953 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Image: fetch_this-1968.gif

966 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:07:15am

re: #965 Sharmuta

Perfect.

967 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:07:33am

re: #964 Gang of One

But that butterfly fart will change the weather patterns over the Gulf and give us another Katrina, right?

/chaos theory geek


Right! And for only $19.95, you can hear it!

But wait, there's MORE...!

968 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:07:59am

re: #953 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, my day to talk about the dog.

Last night, wife out of town being a "fag hag" for a big gay New Years Bash.
Daughter out of town with friends for New Years.

I was at a friends house with some other folks. Got down in the living room floor with their (big GORGEOUS) dog and played with her. Had a total, paralyzing guilt attack about my little dog sitting at home alone, jumped up, went home.

Watched the ball come down at home, blanket over my lap, dog on the blanket. Alone.

Was surreally satisfying.

That is so cool..upding!

969 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:08:05am

re: #950 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... in 20 days you get your Unicorn.

/That better?

ROTFLMAO! What? No fairy castle with knights in shining armour that grant my every whim?

970 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:08:08am

Really don't see anyone more deserving of capital punishment as one who would abuse a child.

971 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:08:18am

re: #908 rightymouse
Hey there {righty} Happy New Year to you too - great avatar, but I'm afraid SOME lizards out here (those suffering from hangovers) won't enjoy it as much as I did!

972 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:08:22am

re: #944 jcbunga

Red Wings & Black Hawks are playing outdoors at Wrigley Field.

Awesome.

Bleacher seats are over $200 a piece to go freeze in the cold and watch that.

Somebody still has money.

973 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:08:50am

CAIR Launches Gaza 'Peace and Justice' Petition Drive

WASHINGTON, Dec. 31 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today launched an online petition drive to collect one million signatures urging our nation's leaders to speak "in favor of peace and justice for all parties in the current humanitarian crisis unfolding in the Gaza Strip."

When completed, the petition will be sent to elected officials nationwide and will be given to members of the current and incoming administrations.

Read the petition:

[Link: petition.cair.com...]

I think Porky Pig may sign that petition.

974 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:09:03am

re: #966 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I knew you'd love it.

975 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:09:28am

re: #951 realwest

What, you expect "journalists" to actually, ya know, do research or something?
Sheeesh, next time you'll be saying as how they ought to just report the who, what,where, when and why of a story and let the editors do the editorializing!
:)

That whole 'who-what-where-when-how-why' pyramid thing is not in their job description.

976 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:09:47am

re: #909 NJDhockeyfan
Good on Merkel! Now if some of the other Europeans would get on board that train she's driving, methinks Hamas would give up the ghost here.

977 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:10:21am

re: #957 3 wood

The only way the governator can fix the state is to get the hell out of it and let someone with half a clue have a crack at it.

/Grey Davis must be laughing his arse off!

978 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:10:31am

re: #964 Gang of One

But that butterfly fart will change the weather patterns over the Gulf and give us another Katrina, right?

/chaos theory geek

Those things work very well. Hearing aids (for me) are two thousand dollars each. I love these things. Use them in theaters. Seriously. They are great.

979 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:10:48am

re: #948 Sharmuta
Morning blue one.

980 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:10:49am

This is getting more precious by the moment!

Hamas, Line Two!

981 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:10:52am

re: #911 Spare O'Lake
Ah, thank you Spare O'Lake - and Happy New Year to you!

982 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:11:02am

Dang. YouTube never has the video I want to post when I want to post it. So everyone that has John Coltrane's "Spiritual" in their collection, please play it now. It sounds great on my iPod right now whilst sitting in my favorite coffee shop in the North End.

Happy New Year everybody.

983 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #971 realwest

Hey there {righty} Happy New Year to you too - great avatar, but I'm afraid SOME lizards out here (those suffering from hangovers) won't enjoy it as much as I did!

Happy New Year!

Spent a nice, comfy, cosy evening in front of the fire and went to bed before midnight.

Today is partayyy time!

984 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:12:41am

re: #921 Fat Bastard Vegetarian ROTFL!

985 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:14:02am

re: #975 Gang of One
It's now Who that know's Bush is involved, What can we tie to Bush, How can we make this stick, Where Has the good ol USA gone, When will we finally get bush impeached, Why do Bush and the Jews hate Islam so much.

986 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:14:13am

re: #982 Bloodnok

Dang. YouTube never has the video I want to post when I want to post it. So everyone that has John Coltrane's "Spiritual" in their collection, please play it now. It sounds great on my iPod right now whilst sitting in my favorite coffee shop in the North End.

Happy New Year everybody.

Happy New Year to you too!

987 vascaino4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:14:38am

Nice way to start 2009:

Hamas leader killed by the IDF.

988 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:15:00am

re: #978 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Those things work very well. Hearing aids (for me) are two thousand dollars each. I love these things. Use them in theaters. Seriously. They are great.

I'm probably going to need something like this soon -- have lost my high-end spectrum hearing, and have had severe tinnitus for at least ten years now.

And my eyesight ain't so hot. Thinking about lasik. Anyone got some first hand knowledge?

989 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:15:12am

re: #928 3 wood
Ok, I actally liked squaredancing the few times I've done it, but, my friend, MOST people don't go out on New Year's Eve because " it's reasonably good exercise."
Just saying...!

990 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:15:42am

I have a question for our Jewish friends. I know your new year is a little different than ours - but don't you call it george or ralph or something.

Really sorry for my ignorance - I really want to know the when and what.

991 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:16:06am

re: #983 rightymouse

Happy New Year!

Spent a nice, comfy, cosy evening in front of the fire and went to bed before midnight.

Today is partayyy time!

DRINK!

992 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:16:07am

Good Morning.
Anything happen while I was out?

lgf just made me log back in.

993 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:16:22am

re: #930 Crimsonfisted
and
re: #931 gclaghorn
Good morning and Happy New Year to each of you!

994 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:16:30am

re: #989 realwest

Ok, I actally liked squaredancing the few times I've done it, but, my friend, MOST people don't go out on New Year's Eve because " it's reasonably good exercise."
Just saying...!

You've never done Fridge Door Pulls and 12 Ounce Curls?

995 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:16:43am

My Black Lab loves Pupperoni's...on the other hand she eats everything except celery.

996 akak  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:16:56am

re: #988 Gang of One

I'm probably going to need something like this soon -- have lost my high-end spectrum hearing, and have had severe tinnitus for at least ten years now.

And my eyesight ain't so hot. Thinking about lasik. Anyone got some first hand knowledge?

The $500 ad you see is only for the martians.

997 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:17:16am

re: #983 rightymouse

Happy New Year!

Spent a nice, comfy, cosy evening in front of the fire and went to bed before midnight.

Today is partayyy time!

Well, then. You did pick the right avatar after all. My mistake!

998 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:17:26am

re: #934 vapig
ROTFL! Well,for those lizards who drink to excess, anyway! LOL!

999 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:17:44am

re: #988 Gang of One

Those things work well for me. Although I don't have the ones that look like bluetooths, just a receiver on a clip and ear buds.

I have 40/60 hearing loss.

Tinnitus has to suck. Do you ever yell, "Will somebody please answer that damn phone!?"

1000 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:17:59am

re: #990 vapig

I have a question for our Jewish friends. I know your new year is a little different than ours - but don't you call it george or ralph or something.

Really sorry for my ignorance - I really want to know the when and what.

What, I look like a reporter?

Lunar calendar, year starts at the autumnal equinox. It is called Rosh Hashanah -- head of the year.

1001 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:18:08am
A Hamas military commander in Gaza was among 10 people killed in an Israeli airstrike on a refugee camp Thursday, Hamas and medical officials said.


re: #987 vascaino4 Only problem is it shouldn't be called a refugee camp.

1002 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:18:41am

This is such a great people-watching morning. Everyone looks like such shit. Muahahahaa!

1003 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:18:59am

re: #941 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Good morning and Happy New Year LT!
Please, though,don't remind us!

1004 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:19:47am

re: #991 Spare O'Lake

DRINK!


I second that emotion!

1005 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:19:59am

1hr 20minutes into over time here already for this shift. And my poor manager hates paying the OT. Assist MNGR was supposed to relieve me today not answering phone so big boss has to come in.

1006 Jimmah  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:20:15am

Happy New Year!

Survived ceilidh and weather - -6 outside here in Glasgow last night - despite having to wear a stupid kilt. Had a good time, and no hangover.

1007 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:20:25am

re: #946 rustler Ah, thankew! I didn't know that about Thailand. Wonder why Thailand is so popular with those monsters?

1008 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:20:29am

re: #979 rustler

Morning blue one.

Morning, Darlin'.

1009 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:20:35am

Nobody home but me, think I should clean or something. BBIAW.

1010 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:20:50am

re: #995 jcbunga

My Black Lab loves Pupperoni's...on the other hand she eats everything except celery.

My dog does too! I'm a new pet owner..had Winston for about 6 weeks..
But he takes those pupperonis and puts them in his mouth and walks around like it's a cigar...Funny as hell

1011 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:21:12am

re: #1007 realwest Partly the culture partly the corrupt police etc I think it is.

1012 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:21:13am

Flat Fatima. Now available in white!

1013 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:21:23am

re: #1000 Gang of One

What, I look like a reporter?

Lunar calendar, year starts at the autumnal equinox. It is called Rosh Hashanah -- head of the year.

So around October 20th? I've heard of Rosh Hasanah before, but I was referring to something people here were talking about last year. It was some sort of German tradition they brought with them to Israel.

Anybody?

1014 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:21:33am

re: #947 SteveC
Well if Billy May goes off TV this year, that alone will make it a better year than last year.
Geez I really hate that guy!

1015 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:21:59am

re: #1000 Gang of One

What, I look like a reporter?

Lunar calendar, year starts at the autumnal equinox. It is called Rosh Hashanah -- head of the year.

PS - Thank you!

1016 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:22:02am

re: #999 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tinnitus has to suck. Do you ever yell, "Will somebody please answer that damn phone!?"

It sux alright. Sometimes, I can't listen to anyone talking, especially on the phone, as the sound actually is perceived as a series of tones and hard clicks or thumps. It literally feels like someone is playing drums on my well, eardrums. It is painful. And most of the time there is that incessant high-pitched squealing noise.

1017 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:22:32am

re: #1014 realwest
He seems to have picked up a new product. Saw the first Commercial not sure on the product the day after Christmas.

1018 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:22:41am

Man of the Year: Geert Wilders

By FrontPage Magazine
Thursday, January 01, 2009
It’s a safe bet that Geert Wilders won’t be Time magazine’s Man of the Year any time soon. If anything, the unusually coiffed Dutch MP is a favorite hate figure of the Western media, which has spent years vilifying him as a “reactionary,” a “particularly dangerous type of demagogue,” a “racist” and an “Islamophobe.” Wilders would almost certainly plead guilty to the last charge, and with ample reason. His tireless campaign to sound the alarm about the growing threat of Islamic radicalism in the West has turned him into a target of Islamic jihadists and the object of untold assassination plots.

1019 eon  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:23:14am

re: #957 3 wood

California governor offers new budget fix plan

There is a great opportunity here for a clear thinking Governor to jump to the fore front of economic development. A lot of these twits are raising taxes, instead I would be cutting taxes, cutting spending and welcoming business to move to my state to boost revenues and employment.

You will also likely see a stampede of special interest groups running to court to try to get their interests made an entitlement (if they are not already that) to insure funding.

It is going to be very interesting to see what happens in California.

Ohio is facing a similar problem. And the answer is likely to be the same- raise taxes (in a state that is already the fourth most heavily taxed state in the Union).

I don't think it's a coincidence that for the last decade (as shown by a United Van Lines survey) there are more people moving out of Ohio than are moving in. Five years ago, the main destination was California; today, it's the Pacific Northwest. And those moving are mainly new college grads and white-collar workers in high-tech industries, who can't afford to pay the state and local taxes here even after a couple of statewide cuts- that the new Democratic majority in the State House now wants to rescind preparatory to yet another tax hike. Their own governor, Ted Strickland, is opposed to any tax increase- but he's expected to lose this fight with his own state party delegation.

In five years, Ohio could look a lot like California, and I'm not talking about the weather.

Well, have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

1020 Mich-again  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:23:16am

re: #1014 realwest

Well if Billy May goes off TV this year, that alone will make it a better year than last year.
Geez I really hate that guy!

He could market the super absorbent Sham-Wow towels to the Palis and their supporters to soak up all those crocodile tears.

1021 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:24:29am

re: #1017 rustler

He seems to have picked up a new product. Saw the first Commercial not sure on the product the day after Christmas.

Billy's also doing a parody of himself, hawking ESPN.com. The problem is, if you aren't paying attention, you can't tell it's a parody!

1022 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:25:01am

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Palestinian woman holding sign that says, "We love Americans...only those like Rachel Corrie."

Methinks its time for this unflattering picture of Corrie as an "American," yet again.

1023 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:25:08am

re: #1013 vapig

So around October 20th? I've heard of Rosh Hasanah before, but I was referring to something people here were talking about last year. It was some sort of German tradition they brought with them to Israel.

Anybody?

It usually varies -- true enough the seasonal changes are solar, but the Hebrew calendar is lunar -- it will take place a new moon; usually closest to the equinox.

Not sure what tradition you are referring to, though.

1024 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:25:41am

re: #1018 abolitionist

By FrontPage Magazine

Wonder who that is.

1025 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:26:20am

re: #997 vapig

Well, then. You did pick the right avatar after all. My mistake!

It's so much more fun to party in the afternoon. :)

Am not a night person anyway.

1026 Jimmah  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:26:38am

Richard Dawkins reads his hate mail

Youtube Video

Foamer alert!

1027 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:26:41am

Hizbollah LOVES Rachel Corrie (so does Yahoo). Oh, and where'd she get the printer to print out that placard? ALebanese prtester (sic)

1028 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:26:43am

re: #948 Sharmuta
Hi ya Sharm! Happy New Year to you. I went to a fight once at Madison Square Garden and a hockey game got started right in the middle of it all!
:)

1029 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:26:47am

re: #1007 realwest Not sure if it's a real belief or misinformation but this twisted SoB I attending A class with was waiting on a thailand trip for the girls.

1030 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:26:48am

Just had the first visitors of 2009 ...

What are ye talking about now, then?

1031 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:26:57am

re: #989 realwest

Ok, I actally liked squaredancing the few times I've done it, but, my friend, MOST people don't go out on New Year's Eve because " it's reasonably good exercise."
Just saying...!

Understood, but for us that is a lot of fun.

Actually I was hoping we'd get a music gig for last night but that did not pan out.

I feel great today. If it warms up over 25 degrees I may go out for a bit of a bike ride this afternoon.

1032 rustler  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:27:01am

Later all relief here.

1033 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:27:15am

re: #1032 rustler

Later all relief here.

Later, {rustler}!

1034 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:27:26am

re: #1016 Gang of One

It sux alright. Sometimes, I can't listen to anyone talking, especially on the phone, as the sound actually is perceived as a series of tones and hard clicks or thumps. It literally feels like someone is playing drums on my well, eardrums. It is painful. And most of the time there is that incessant high-pitched squealing noise.

I have that high pitch thing too! Sometimes so loud the pain feels like an itch. Mine has made me very susceptible to loud noise - can't stand it. Have to have the TV or radio down real low. Loud phone calls actually bring tears to my eyes.

1035 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:27:27am

re: #1022 gclaghorn

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Palestinian woman holding sign that says, "We love Americans...only those like Rachel Corrie."

Methinks its time for this unflattering picture of Corrie as an "American," yet again.

Hey! Claim jumper... :-)

1036 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:28:04am

Happy New Year! I want my first post of 2009 to be the Prayer List:

Lizard Prayer List 1/1/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Community issues:
Israel
Our country going forward
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

Thanksgivings
Lizard friends
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

Health issues:
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
BaseballMom57: husband in acute care but responding to treatment
Dublin(CA)Dude – extensive cancer and new treatment
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Yochanan: d-i-l (ronite bas golda) undergoing surgery.
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Steve C: Baby Katie’s heart surgery
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
mikeymom: sister suffered a stroke
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
/cont’d

1037 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:28:17am

re: #1004 rightymouse

I second that emotion!

Mug of coffee, jigger Kahlua, jigger Crown Royal - mix and sip!

1038 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:28:27am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:

Family, friend, and life situations:

Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
laZardo: strength of purpose
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom coming home from the hospital put still dealing with issues
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
mama winger: family (especially stepfather) dealing with stepbrother’s suicide.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
neocon hippie: grieving for big black kitty, Ripple
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
HoosierHoops: 3/5th Marines deploying to Afghanistan in January (son Jordan is a platoon leader)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: 7-month-old foster daughter who went to life with extended family; best result for another foster daughter
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

1039 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:28:40am

re: #1006 Jimmah

Happy New Year!

Survived ceilidh and weather - -6 outside here in Glasgow last night - despite having to wear a stupid kilt. Had a good time, and no hangover.

Happy New Year to you - wasn't it a bit cold for wearing a kilt, the Scottish way?

1040 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:28:49am

re: #952 FrogMarch
Happy New Year to you and thanks for that. It almost reads like Judicial Watch put some Republicans in there for balance, at least two of 'em being "former" elected office holders, and yet it still tallies out to SIX Dems - all currently active ('cept for "frozen Bill" Jefferson).

1041 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:28:52am

re: #1023 Gang of One

It usually varies -- true enough the seasonal changes are solar, but the Hebrew calendar is lunar -- it will take place a new moon; usually closest to the equinox.

Not sure what tradition you are referring to, though.

Thank you and no problem. I'm sure it'll come up again. I can always try googling it!

1042 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:29:09am

Something for the MSM to work on for 2009:

Hamas doesn't have "military leaders".

Chesty Puller was a military leader.

Sgt. Paul Smith was a military leader.

This guy excelled at murder and, ultimately, stopping a rocket.

There's a coffee table book just crying to be written: "Great Military Leaders of the ROP, and other fictional characters."

1043 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:29:11am

re: #1030 yma o hyd

Just had the first visitors of 2009 ...

Mormons? Jehovah's Witnesses? Campfire Girls?

1044 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:29:26am

re: #1034 vapig

I have that high pitch thing too! Sometimes so loud the pain feels like an itch. Mine has made me very susceptible to loud noise - can't stand it. Have to have the TV or radio down real low. Loud phone calls actually bring tears to my eyes.

I have found that melatonin at night helps, and so does doing Qi Gong and Tai Chi. It is really a neurological disorder due to damaged cilia in the ear. False nerve signals in the brain ...

1045 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:29:56am

re: #1028 realwest

Happy New Year, realwest.

1046 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:30:03am

re: #1038 goddessoftheclassroom

Yoch's son is in the IDF.

1047 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:30:16am

re: #1024 Sharmuta

Wonder who that is.

?!? Time's person of the year was not the subject.

1048 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:30:28am

re: #1041 vapig

Thank you and no problem. I'm sure it'll come up again. I can always try googling it!

You are welcome. Good luck with the search.

1049 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:30:55am

re: #1044 Gang of One

I heard it can also be associated with TMJ. But, I may be remembering horse-shit.

1050 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:31:46am

re: #1036 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you and Bless your heart, dear. You are a gem!

1051 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:31:47am

re: #969 vapig

ROTFLMAO! What? No fairy castle with knights in shining armour that grant my every whim?

Of course, and paying for things like gas and the mortgage will be worries of the evil past.

Remember, real life was only tough because Republicans were in the White House.

1052 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:31:53am

re: #1049 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I heard it can also be associated with TMJ. But, I may be remembering horse-shit.

What is TMJ?

I am sure mine is the result of playing in very loud rock bands most of my life.

1053 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:31:56am

re: #1038 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, and Good Morning and Happy New Year GOTCHA!

1054 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:32:13am

Argh! "Muslim Demonstrators shout slogans as they demonstrate"

No mention of the guy making the "throat-slitting or head-cutting-off" gesture of course.

1055 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:32:16am

re: #1037 Spare O'Lake

Mug of coffee, jigger Kahlua, jigger Crown Royal - mix and sip!

Bailey's and brandy too!

Goes great with pork tenderloin and saurkraut.

1056 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:32:20am

re: #1038 goddessoftheclassroom

Good Morning, {goddess}! Thank you for maintaining the prayer list.

1057 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:33:23am

re: #1054 Bloodnok

Argh! "Muslim Demonstrators shout slogans as they demonstrate"

No mention of the guy making the "throat-slitting or head-cutting-off" gesture of course.

Those guys are the mythical moderate (sic) Muslims, right?

1058 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:33:36am

re: #1052 Gang of One

Temporomandibular Joint and Muscle Disorders

Had it. Sucks.

1059 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:34:21am

re: #1043 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mormons? Jehovah's Witnesses? Campfire Girls?

Heh.
Friends, actually, he's Scottish.
So it wasn't quite First Footing, but near enough!

1060 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:34:28am

re: #975 Gang of One
Yeah and Edward R. Murrow is spinning in his grave right now, too.

1061 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:34:32am

re: #1024 Sharmuta

Oh, "By FrontPage Magazine" --that would be David Horowitz and associates. Not sure who authored the article or decided the Man Of The Year attribution.

1062 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:34:43am

Charles Barkley has a date with a judge:

Barkley released after DUI arrest

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- Charles Barkley was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol early Wednesday.

An officer with a task force that targets drunken driving saw the former NBA star run a stop sign about 1:30 a.m., Gilbert police Lt. Eric Shuhandler said. Barkley was in Scottsdale's Old Town area, a trendy spot in the Phoenix area.

"I am disappointed that I put myself in that situation," Barkley said in a statement to The Associated Press. "The Scottsdale police were fantastic. I will not comment any further as it is a legal matter."

The 45-year-old Barkley, now an NBA television commentator, failed standard field sobriety tests after the officer smelled alcohol on him, and he was arrested. Barkley declined to submit to a breath test but was given a blood test. The results weren't immediately available.

Get some counseling, Charles.

1063 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:35:23am

re: #1027 Bloodnok

Hizbollah LOVES Rachel Corrie (so does Yahoo). Oh, and where'd she get the printer to print out that placard? ALebanese prtester (sic)

Same place they get their weapons...Iran.

1064 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:35:25am

re: #1054 Bloodnok

Argh! "Muslim Demonstrators shout slogans as they demonstrate"

No mention of the guy making the "throat-slitting or head-cutting-off" gesture of course.

He may be indicating who dealt it.

1065 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:35:36am

re: #1061 abolitionist

Oh, "By FrontPage Magazine" --that would be David Horowitz and associates. Not sure who authored the article or decided the Man Of The Year attribution.

Yeah- I'm curious about it, but I have a good idea already, so I'll leave it at that.

1066 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:36:17am

re: #982 Bloodnok
Happy New Year Bloodnok - sorry, I don't have it available!

1067 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:36:51am

Man Sought in Aspen Bomb Scare Found Dead

ASPEN, Colo. — A man wanted for questioning after two banks received bomb threats and suspicious packages in holiday wrapping was found dead early Thursday, police said.

The threats shut down this resort town on New Year's Eve, one of its busiest nights of the year as the evacuation stretched into the new year.

The man, Jim Blanning, was found dead early Thursday just east of Aspen in rural Pitkin County, said police officer Stephanie Dasaro. She couldn't say how he died or exactly where his body was found.

Police cleared a 16-block area Wednesday afternoon after two banks reported receiving the threats and packages. Police also found clear plastic boxes containing holiday wrapped packages and pizza boxes on a black sled in a downtown alley.

Police released surveillance tape from one bank showing 71-year-old Blanning and asked the public to help find him. Dasaro said the man was recognized quickly by police as a former Aspen resident, though he was living in Denver.

It was unclear Thursday what the packages contained. Dasaro said they were destroyed early Thursday, but she could not say whether they contained explosives.

1068 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:36:58am

Happy New Year to you, {goddess}, and thank you for all your work with the prayer list!
My poor friend Anne was rushed to hospital yesterday - am waiting for news.

1069 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:37:14am

re: #1035 Bloodnok

Hey! Claim jumper... :-)

I is sorry! Came in late, I guess.

1070 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:37:29am

re: #1052 Gang of One

TMJ Stuff

Of special note, two listed symptoms...

Clicking, or popping sounds in the jaw joint when opening or closing the mouth (which may or may not be accompanied by pain)

Ear pain in front of or below the ear, but without any signs of infection (hearing loss or ear drainage). Hearing problems like fullness and noise or ringing in the ear (tinnitus) may also be symptoms of tmj disorders.

1071 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:37:45am

re: #1044 Gang of One

I have found that melatonin at night helps, and so does doing Qi Gong and Tai Chi. It is really a neurological disorder due to damaged cilia in the ear. False nerve signals in the brain ...

Oh, don't I know it! All that loud rock n' roll as a teen/young adult coming back to haunt me! Since I know the physical exercises will never happen, do you know of any foods/teas that contains melatonin naturally?

1072 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:38:01am

re: #1068 yma o hyd

Happy New Year to you, {goddess}, and thank you for all your work with the prayer list!
My poor friend Anne was rushed to hospital yesterday - am waiting for news.

I hope your friend is okay.

1073 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:38:12am

Oh, and for very little reason Yahoo decided to slip a picture of Olmert and Bush shaking hands in May as the last photo of their slideshow. Y'know, because Bush is bad and Israel likes Bush.

/spit!

1074 itellu3times  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:38:23am
Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty.

Make up yer mind, SJG. Sheesh.

1075 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:38:58am

re: #1051 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Of course, and paying for things like gas and the mortgage will be worries of the evil past.

Remember, real life was only tough because Republicans were in the White House.

You forgot free health care! Remember?

1076 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:39:07am

re: #1058 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Temporomandibular Joint and Muscle Disorders

Had it. Sucks.

Ahhh. No, mine is definitely due to high decibel trauma. It gets worse when I get overly stressed out. That is why I try to throw in some inner Chi martial arts with my other training.

1077 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:39:16am

re: #953 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

awww. I love my little dogs. I love my big dog, too. My little dogs are currently curled up under a quilt on the couch with just their noses sticking out.

1078 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:40:23am

re: #1017 rustler
Fucker is all over TV down here - actually pushing some kind of super glue with which he "mends" an American Flag.
Stupid shit. I really hate him...a lot.

1079 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:40:36am

re: #1075 vapig

You forgot free health care! Remember?

Right. You don't need health care now.

Disease was McChipBushitler's fault, too.

1080 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:40:47am

re: #1077 ArmyWife

I don't remember having that much of a "moment" about my damn kids. Was kind of silly. But it's what it was.

1081 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:41:00am

Top Hamas leader killed in Gaza air strike

the scumbag coward was using his own wife and children as human shields.

1082 Jimmah  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:41:07am

re: #1039 yma o hyd

Happy New Year to you - wasn't it a bit cold for wearing a kilt, the Scottish way?

You bet! My solution is simply to not wear it that way...LOL

I'm a terrible heretic when it comes to observing scottish taboos. I also put sugar on my porridge, and violate single malts with such things as coke and on occassion, even ice cream. But that's the way I like these things. The way I see it, national stereotypes are things to have fun with, not conform to.

1083 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:41:17am

re: #1078 realwest

Here, have a cold one, Real. It'll be OK.

1084 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:41:41am

re: #1058 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Temporomandibular Joint and Muscle Disorders

Had it. Sucks.

Me too. Got it from clenching my jaw from stress.

1085 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:41:52am

re: #1078 realwest

First New Years Resolution was DO NOT PURCHASE ANYTHING THAT BILLY MAYS TALKS ABOUT!

Then? Son of a bitch does a commercial campaign for ESPN.

POOP!

1086 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:42:00am

re: #1078 realwest

Fucker is all over TV down here - actually pushing some kind of super glue with which he "mends" an American Flag.
Stupid shit. I really hate him...a lot.

Good Lord, I hate him and the shit he peddles. How long before he starts doing commercials for those gawdawful snuggies?

1087 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:42:50am

re: #1086 gclaghorn

Went looking for one in stores for my daughter. She hates those commercials so bad, would have been an awesome gift!

1088 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:42:52am

re: #1068 yma o hyd

Happy New Year to you, {goddess}, and thank you for all your work with the prayer list!
My poor friend Anne was rushed to hospital yesterday - am waiting for news.

I'm sorry about your friend. I hope it's nothing serious and she'll be home soon.

1089 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:21am

John Daly has successfully destroyed a once golden career.

Daly calls suspension a career low point

John Daly smashed one tee shot off the top of a beer can during a pro-am. At another tournament, he returned from a rain delay with Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden as his caddie. And his most memorable photo this year came in an orange jail suit, eyes half-closed.

Daly said Wednesday that such unwelcome publicity is why the PGA Tour suspended him for six months.

The two-time major champion confirmed his suspension to The Associated Press, calling this the low point of an 18-year career during which he has made as much news off the course as he has with his prodigious game.

"Is it fair that I got suspended?" he said. "It's not fair in reality, but it's probably fair in perception."

No Daly, it is completely "fair" and about time that you got thrown off the tour. You have become a complete joke and a very tragic figure. You have been given chance after chance after chance but people connected to golf to get your act together, to help you out of your financial troubles and the like. all you had to do was stay away from the bottle.

Time and time again you would accept the help, agree to the conditions, and then spit in the face of those helping you by going out of your way to been seen drinking in public and causing trouble. You would give interviews in which you would brag about drinking again.

You are a disgrace to the PGA Tour and the many honorable and kind people connected to it. Your not good enough anymore to make it even on the European Tour.

Unless you clean up your act, the only tour you will see much of in the future is skid row.

1090 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:33am

re: #1084 Bloodnok

Me too. Got it from clenching my jaw from stress.

Diagnosis? Billy Mays causes TMJ. Please notify the CDC.

1091 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:40am

re: #1087 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Went looking for one in stores for my daughter. She hates those commercials so bad, would have been an awesome gift!

I'm sorry, I just don't get snuggies. A blanket with arms? It's called a sweatshirt or a robe. Seriously.

1092 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:42am

re: #1077 ArmyWife

awww. I love my little dogs. I love my big dog, too. My little dogs are currently curled up under a quilt on the couch with just their noses sticking out.

Yesterday around midnight I attacked the beast with merciless tummy and ear rubs until the paws came up and he became grunty happy.

1093 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:58am

re: #1087 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Went looking for one in stores for my daughter. She hates those commercials so bad, would have been an awesome gift!

I don't watch much TV. What are "snuggies"?

1094 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:24am

re: #1093 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't watch much TV. What are "snuggies"?

Blankets with arms.

1095 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:25am

re: #1093 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't watch much TV. What are "snuggies"?

Blanket with sleeves. For the professional couch potato.

1096 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:55am

re: #1079 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Right. You don't need health care now.

Disease was McChipBushitler's fault, too.

Doh! You're right! What was I thinking!

1097 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:07am

re: #1093 goddessoftheclassroom

see 1091. They are truly a useless invention that is making someone a millionaire. I love America, but we can be such saps.

1098 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:21am

re: #1022 gclaghorn

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Palestinian woman holding sign that says, "We love Americans...only those like Rachel Corrie."

Methinks its time for this unflattering picture of Corrie as an "American," yet again.

At our family reunion last week, the following conversation took place:

ALOUETTE'S SISTER (AKA "AUNTIE MOONBAT"): So, I understand that you were in the Israeli army

ALOUETTE'S SON (AKA "IDF BOY"): Yeah, that's right.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: Did you ever hear of Rachel Corrie?

IDF BOY (Thinking: WTF?): Yeah, I know who that is.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: She was from Washington State, where I live.

IDF BOY: Really?

AUNTIE MOONBAT: What do you think of her?

IDF BOY: (Thinking: That she was a not too bright fucked up nazi bitch who got herself squashed into pancakes by playing "chicken" with heavy equipment, but if I say this to Auntie Moonbat she'll have a meltdown) That happened before my time.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: Did you know they made a play about her?

IDF BOY: Yeah, I heard about that. Did you see it?

AUNTIE MOONBAT: No, I didn't see it.

IDF BOY: I didn't see it either. (Wanders off to get a beer)

1099 Joan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:34am

re: #189 Sarge1984

Metamorphasis, Franz Kafka, and...

Damn.

Good work, you get the Queen Elizabeth wave for that.

1100 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:37am

re: #1093 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess? Did you see my note about Yochanan's son?

1101 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:40am

re: #1093 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't watch much TV. What are "snuggies"?

Something Billy Mays would sell.

1102 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:47am

re: #1036 goddessoftheclassroom Hi {goddess} Happy New Year to you and again I thank you very much for being the keeper of The List.
Thank you.

1103 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:53am

re: #1089 3 wood

John Daly has successfully destroyed a once golden career.

Daly calls suspension a career low point

No Daly, it is completely "fair" and about time that you got thrown off the tour. You have become a complete joke and a very tragic figure. You have been given chance after chance after chance but people connected to golf to get your act together, to help you out of your financial troubles and the like. all you had to do was stay away from the bottle.

Time and time again you would accept the help, agree to the conditions, and then spit in the face of those helping you by going out of your way to been seen drinking in public and causing trouble. You would give interviews in which you would brag about drinking again.

You are a disgrace to the PGA Tour and the many honorable and kind people connected to it. Your not good enough anymore to make it even on the European Tour.

Unless you clean up your act, the only tour you will see much of in the future is skid row.

I agree. I remember this one nauseating cover story in the ESPN magazine a few years ago entitled "Will I Ever Stop Partying: not until they turn the lights out for good!" with a picture of his smug, bloated face. And I am supposed to feel sorry for him?

1104 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:46:07am

re: #1097 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

we can be such saps.

Yes We Can!

1105 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:46:33am

re: #1097 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

see 1091. They are truly a useless invention that is making someone a millionaire. I love America, but we can be such saps.


The one shot in the commercial that shows a guy with an orange snuggie that makes him look like a monk is truly hilarious.

1106 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:46:45am

re: #1104 lifeofthemind

MOAD

(Mother Of All Dings)

1107 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:19am

re: #1070 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #1071 vapig

Thanks for the link, FBV. I'll check that out.

Vap, I'm certainly not one to prod, but is not doing exercise a life-style choice or from a medical condition? I ask only because Qi Gong is so very low-impact. It is mostly stretching, breathing, focusing. It is the warm up, if you will, to Tai Chi which is also low impact. I have convinced my 75-year-old mom to start Qi Gong next week, and she is a couch potato.

1108 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:27am

re: #1098 Alouette

Very impressive self-control. I'm proud of him and never met the man!

1109 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:29am

re: #1105 rightymouse

The one shot in the commercial that shows a guy with an orange snuggie that makes him look like a monk is truly hilarious.

I call him "Friar Schmuck".

1110 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:38am

Realwest, Sharmuta, FBVeg, Goddess, yma o hyd, Vet mp, ArmyWife, 3 Wood, Gang of One, ... and anybody else I missed...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

1111 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:51am

re: #1094 gclaghorn

Blankets with arms.

Those are terrifying. Clut-ish even. I love the people at the ballgame with those on.

Don't they already have bathrobes for this purpose?

1112 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:48:01am

re: #1095 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Blanket with sleeves. For the professional couch potato.

Worst ad in the entire history of TV..top 5 at least..
Here is a warning.. Let's say you go to a Cowboys Game in a snuggie..You will probably get the crap beat out of you...
You would have better luck dressing up in a dress and claiming you thought it was a redskins game...

1113 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:48:15am

re: #1098 Alouette

LOL! How I would handle it if I were IDF boy:

Auntie Moonbat: Have you ever heard of Rachel Corrie?

IDF Boy: You mean St. Pancake?

*awkward silence*

Auntie Moonbat: So, how've you been?

1114 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:48:25am

re: #1109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I call him "Friar Schmuck".

That is hilarious.

1115 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:48:36am

re: #1109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I call him "Friar Schmuck".

LMAO!

1116 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:48:57am

re: #1090 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Diagnosis? Billy Mays causes TMJ. Please notify the CDC.

But, but, but...my jaw reflexibly clenches everytime I heard "The Ones" voice. I somehow don't believe the CDC will be sympathetic to my agonizing plight.

1117 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:49:11am

re: #1065 Sharmuta
Aw, come on, Sharm, share with us!

1118 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:49:15am

re: #1112 HoosierHoops

Is Dallas going to lose that game, too?

/duck.

1119 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:49:39am

re: #1111 Bloodnok

Those are terrifying. Clut-ish even. I love the people at the ballgame with those on.

Don't they already have bathrobes for this purpose?

Snuggies are the Sham-Wow! of all blankets.

1120 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:04am

re: #1110 Kenneth

Thank you and Happy New Year yourself

1121 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:09am

re: #1036 goddessoftheclassroom

Happy New Year! I want my first post of 2009 to be the Prayer List:

Lizard Prayer List 1/1/09

Steve C: Baby Katie’s heart surgery

Goddess -- Katie didn't make it. I thought I had updated every one, I'm sorry.

Allow me to stand on my soapbox for a moment: Congenital Heart Defects affect 1 in every 120 live births in the United States. A child is born with a heart defect every 14 minutes. But rapid progress is being made - the first Congenital Heart surgery was performed in 1944, and today, there are slightly more adult survivors of Heart Defects than there are children!

Heart Defect research and prevention is one of the most underfunded causes that there is - mainly because it is invisable. Neither the March of Dimes nor the American Heart Association funds research into Congenital Heart Defects. (AHA's main cause is stroke prevention). But if everyone could give $1 a month to a Heart Defect support group or research project, it could make a world of difference.

My first heart surgery in 1967 was the Glenn Shunt, a "new operation" and certainly a product of Heart Defect research. I was the fifth person in the world to survive the surgery and today, a variation known as the Bi-directional Glenn Shunt saves thousands of lives each year.

*puts away soapbox*

1122 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:29am

re: #1100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Goddess? Did you see my note about Yochanan's son?

Yes, and I've added him. Thanks!

Lizards, remember that ALL OF YOU are encouraged, invited, welcomed (whatever verb you like) to be on the prayer list, for yourself or someone in your life. I only add those who ask me to to avoid being presumptuous.

I do ask that you let me know when the time is right to take you off the list or move you to a different category. I ESPECIALLY like those moves to the "Thanksgivings" section.

I've "blued" my nic is you'd rather email me privately.

1123 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:42am

re: #1098 Alouette

For an Israeli, he's quite restrained, neh?

1124 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:48am

re: #1115 rightymouse

LMAO!

Friar Schmuck, Dances with Merry Men...

1125 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:25am

re: #1081 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth! Happy New Year to you!
Uh, that story's been out here about a dozen times already this year!
Ya snooze ya lose!

1126 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:38am

re: #1110 Kenneth

Thanks, Kenneth. Happy New Year to you too.

1127 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:39am

re: #1098 Alouette

At our family reunion last week, the following conversation took place:

ALOUETTE'S SISTER (AKA "AUNTIE MOONBAT"): So, I understand that you were in the Israeli army

ALOUETTE'S SON (AKA "IDF BOY"): Yeah, that's right.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: Did you ever hear of Rachel Corrie?

IDF BOY (Thinking: WTF?): Yeah, I know who that is.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: She was from Washington State, where I live.

IDF BOY: Really?

AUNTIE MOONBAT: What do you think of her?

IDF BOY: (Thinking: That she was a not too bright fucked up nazi bitch who got herself squashed into pancakes by playing "chicken" with heavy equipment, but if I say this to Auntie Moonbat she'll have a meltdown) That happened before my time.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: Did you know they made a play about her?

IDF BOY: Yeah, I heard about that. Did you see it?

AUNTIE MOONBAT: No, I didn't see it.

IDF BOY: I didn't see it either. (Wanders off to get a beer)

Your son is the epitome of a gentleman. You have yet another reason to be proud of him. The tongue is the most difficult muscle in the body to control.

1128 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:40am

re: #1119 gclaghorn

Snuggies are the Sham-Wow! of all blankets.

Or the Aqua-Globe of blankets. If those globes aren't selling well it certainly isn't due to lack of advertising.

1129 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:52:03am

re: #1106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MOAD

(Mother Of All Dings)

Thank you. Does it feel like a New Year to you?
Shouldn't it come with that New Year smell?

1130 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:52:50am

re: #1117 realwest

Aw, come on, Sharm, share with us!

It doesn't take much looking around Front Page to figure out who over there would promote a European politician as "Man of the Year"...

1132 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:05am

re: #1121 SteveC

{SteveC}
I am so sorry. Please accept my deepest sympathy.

1133 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:13am

re: #1072 gclaghorn

I hope your friend is okay.

Thank you.
Just been on the phone to her daughter.
Its not looking good, I'm afraid.

1134 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:18am

re: #1083 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thanks LT, but I don't drink and it's too damn cold down here in the "Southland" for anything cold! (currently 30 degrees!).

1135 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:19am

Lunch on the table!

If you like Chili, it's hot and it's READY!

1136 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:36am

re: #1129 lifeofthemind

Sorry that was me. No! The Dog! It was the Dog!

1137 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:54am

Not the Friar Schmuck is question...:)

Youtube Video
1138 Jimmah  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:14am

re: #1057 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Those guys are the mythical moderate (sic) Muslims, right?

There are indeed moderate muslims - I know a few personally, and there are prominent examples on the web like Irshad Manji. However, there are a great many who pretend to be moderate while agreeing with 90% of Al Quaeda's manifesto. This guy does a great job of bursting the arse of one of the most annoying ones on youtube.

Youtube Video
1139 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:17am

Gotta go, peoples. BBL

1140 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:24am

re: #1131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ya know? I was just thinking that this room is in entirely too good of a mood. Let's kick off 2009 y'all!

Government owned and controlled newspapers... that would be under to control of Reichsminister Goebbles, right?

1141 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:28am

re: #1133 yma o hyd

Thank you.
Just been on the phone to her daughter.
Its not looking good, I'm afraid.

{yma o hyd}

You and she are in my prayers.

1142 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:36am

re: #1121 SteveC

My condolences, Steve. I am sorry to hear this.

1143 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:39am

re: #1103 Bloodnok

I agree. I remember this one nauseating cover story in the ESPN magazine a few years ago entitled "Will I Ever Stop Partying: not until they turn the lights out for good!" with a picture of his smug, bloated face. And I am supposed to feel sorry for him?

He has given interviews where he bragged about drinking behind the wheel while driving his motor home to the next tournament.

People have tried to do things to help him that are not publicly known about, and he has never failed to spit in their face over it after accepting the help.

He has damaged the image of the PGA Tour with his antics. He needs to be relegated to the "Total Loser" file and be done with.

This guy had it all, a multi-million dollar swing and talent many players can only dream of being gifted with. And he threw it all way for the bottle.

1144 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:42am

Happy New Year Everyone

Day 6

Very short and sweet today. Nice shooting on Hamas' Mr. Rayyan. This guy was not Jack Ryan the fictional hero of Tom Clancy novels he was just murdering scum and he died murdering his family in the process. Let us be 100% clear- Sheikh Rayyan was a legitimate military target under the laws of war, the death of the people immediately the his vicinity of his death are HIS responsibility, not Israel. It is a violation of the laws of war for combatants to use civilians as a shield. The world is a better place without this very special person, he was a very skilled terrorist and almost certainly got Iranian training.

Today will be a day of more rockets, I think the ground war begins over the weekend when the sky clear and all Israeli aerial assets can be brought to bear

As always, Gilad Shalit, you are in our thoughts and prayers.

1145 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:55:02am

re: #1098 Alouette

Oohhh, LAWDY! Congrats to your boy and his tact (mummy raised him well!). I'm afraid I would have said the very thing he was thinking without a second thought or qualm.

Of course, while I realize she's your sister (you have my sympathies), I like watching moonbat heads explode!

1146 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:55:06am

re: #1134 realwest

Thanks LT, but I don't drink and it's too damn cold down here in the "Southland" for anything cold! (currently 30 degrees!).

Got some coffee on, if you prefer. :-)

1147 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:55:38am

re: #1141 goddessoftheclassroom

{yma o hyd}

You and she are in my prayers.

Thank you, {goddess}

BBIAB, Lizards - have some phone calls to make.

1148 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:56:03am

re: #1131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ya know? I was just thinking that this room is in entirely too good of a mood. Let's kick off 2009 y'all!

I'm doing my part, I haven't paid for a newspaper since the NY Sun died.
I'm MSM free, and biodegradable.

1149 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:56:06am

re: #1146 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Got some coffee on, if you prefer. :-)

We could warm up some C-Rats...

1150 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:56:12am

re: #1118 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Is Dallas going to lose that game, too?

/duck.

Since i was a baby..I have always hated the Cowboys.. They were my bad guys to root against..Which is great fun..
This last may I met Steve Wright ex Cowboy LB great at Camp P. in California..In his retirement he councils married couples when the spouse returns from the war...It was a great privilege to met him and I tip my hat to another unsung sports hero...
I kindof don't hate the cowboys these days..But i want to.

1151 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:56:14am

re: #1123 Gang of One

For an Israeli, he's quite restrained, neh?

He's not an Israeli, he is an American who served in the IDF but his aliyah application was turned down.

1152 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:57:24am

re: #1151 Alouette

He's not an Israeli, he is an American who served in the IDF but his aliyah application was turned down.

I see. He is still a superb role model, ma'am. Thank him for me.

1153 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:57:52am

re: #1094 gclaghorn
and
re: #1095 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yeah, ther're blankets with sleeves with one size fits all, which means LOTS of couch potatoes are gonna trip and fall down when they get up to go to the kitchen or wherever.
Probably see Billy Fuckin' May peddling some sorta alarm button you can wring to tell people you've fallen down while wearing one!

1154 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:58:07am

Happy New Year Lizards! I just finished shoveling 12 inches of Global Warming out of my driveway. Why can't Al Gore be right just once?

1155 vxbush  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:58:27am

Morning, everyone. I was really hoping 2009 would be better than 2008, but it hasn't turned out so. My daughter really screwed up while she was overseas and now has a huge bill that has been bumped to a collection agency. She's already called them and started working with them, but I don't know how she's going to pay it. She has no job, she's student teaching this semester, and so her time is going to be very limited.

For those who pray, please lift her up. She's really upset and knows she's screwed up. She also has about $200 in gift cards and cash to her name right now and that's it.

1156 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:59:05am

re: #1149 Dustyvet

Let's not.

re: #1150 HoosierHoops

Sounds like therapy is called for...

1157 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:59:24am

re: #1155 vxbush

Morning, everyone. I was really hoping 2009 would be better than 2008, but it hasn't turned out so. My daughter really screwed up while she was overseas and now has a huge bill that has been bumped to a collection agency. She's already called them and started working with them, but I don't know how she's going to pay it. She has no job, she's student teaching this semester, and so her time is going to be very limited.

For those who pray, please lift her up. She's really upset and knows she's screwed up. She also has about $200 in gift cards and cash to her name right now and that's it.

{vxbush}
I'm on it...

1158 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:59:36am

re: #1155 vxbush

She's in the prayer book.

Dave Ramsey might be a really good resource for her right now. He is chock full of good ideas for people in her situation.

1159 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:59:44am

re: #1151 Alouette

He's not an Israeli, he is an American who served in the IDF but his aliyah application was turned down.

How does that happen? I thought they accepted every Jew except for Meyer Lansky and Crazy Eddie.

1160 vapig  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:59:48am

re: #1131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ya know? I was just thinking that this room is in entirely too good of a mood. Let's kick off 2009 y'all!

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Arrrggghhh!

gggrrr...mission accomplished

1161 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:00:13am

re: #1151 Alouette

BTW, interesting website. I hope to spend some time reading there. My mom and sister will appreciate it, too.

1162 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:00:16am

re: #1153 realwest

Cool... let's make some money marketing a snuggie with an alarm switch built-in...

You hire Billy Mays, I'll get to work on the wiring diagram.

1163 vxbush  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:00:24am

re: #1158 Jetpilot1101

She's in the prayer book.

Dave Ramsey might be a really good resource for her right now. He is chock full of good ideas for people in her situation.

Yes, he is good. I'll see if I can find a summary of his suggestions on his web site and send that to her.

1164 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:01:15am

re: #1101 gclaghorn
Billy May and his ilk are the reasons why whoever invented the "mute" button ought to get a Nobel Prize!

1165 Jimmah  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:01:28am

BBL.

1166 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:01:33am

re: #1153 realwest

and
re: #1095 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yeah, ther're blankets with sleeves with one size fits all, which means LOTS of couch potatoes are gonna trip and fall down when they get up to go to the kitchen or wherever.
Probably see Billy Fuckin' May peddling some sorta alarm button you can wring to tell people you've fallen down while wearing one!

Help me.. I'm in my Snuggies and I've fallen down

1167 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:01:52am

re: #1159 lifeofthemind

How does that happen? I thought they accepted every Jew except for Meyer Lansky and Crazy Eddie.

He protested the Gush Katif expulsion and was deemed an "extremist."

1168 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:02:11am
1169 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:02:34am

re: #1105 rightymouse
Yeah, that orange snuggie makes him look like a disco monk!

1170 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:02:53am

re: #1164 realwest

Billy May and his ilk are the reasons why whoever invented the "mute" button ought to get a Nobel Prize!

His pointless screeching can penetrate even the most sturdy mute button.

1171 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:03:03am

re: #1166 HoosierHoops

Help me.. I'm in my Snuggies and I've fallen down and can't get up!

Fixed

1172 Silas  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:03:12am

Someone mentioned Eva Cassidy in one of the posts. She passed away in 1996, I never heard of her when she was alive, but I wish I did.
Her version of “What a Wonderful World” is haunting.

Youtube Video
1173 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:03:26am

re: #1156 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Let's not.

re: #1150 HoosierHoops

Sounds like therapy is called for...


Okay LT, yours is in the fridge when you want it...:)

Image: T-Bone%20Steaks%20with%20Black%20Olive%20Butter.jpg

1174 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:04:01am

re: #1168 mikehrp

Oh yeah... Now I remember why I stopped reading LGF.

Why did you stop reading? Seems like you just started posting.

1175 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:04:13am

re: #1168 mikehrp

Not much of a first post, there...

1176 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:04:45am

re: #1173 Dustyvet

Much better, thanks!

1177 vxbush  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:04:46am

Ack--son needs something. Back in a minute.

1178 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:08am

re: #1168 mikehrp

Oh yeah... Now I remember why I stopped reading LGF.

And why would that be?

1179 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:23am

re: #1155 vxbush

Sorry to hear that. Like your blog.

1180 notutopia  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:23am

re: #1131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ya know? I was just thinking that this room is in entirely too good of a mood. Let's kick off 2009 y'all!


Party pooper...

1181 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:35am

re: #1168 mikehrp

Oh yeah... Now I remember why I stopped reading LGF.

Do you have stairs in your house?

1182 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:36am

re: #1113 gclaghorn
And at that IDF Boy woulda gotten off easily. Had someone come up to me at a kinda cocktail and snack party after I came home from Vietnam and ask me "So, what's it like to kill somebody?". My dad, rip, pulled me away before I could answer.

1183 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:36am

re: #1168 mikehrp

mikehrp

Registered since: Nov 18, 2007 at 12:42 pm
No. of comments posted: 1

We've really missed you too.

1184 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:40am

re: #1157 goddessoftheclassroom

{vxbush}
I'm on it...

You didn't ask for advice, but I feel compelled to offer some.

1. Student teaching is demanding, I know, but she can work weekends. ANYTHING thing is a step in the right direction, A bad credit report can hurt a job search later.

2. Unless you can comfortably do so, do NOT take on this debt yourself. If you can bail her out by lending her the money to pay it off, draw up a contract to spell out the terms and expectations for repayment, even if you can offer it interest free. DO NOT dip into your retirement or other savings. Is there a grandparent with the disposable income to help out, again with clear expectations of repayment?

3. She can sell some of her things on eBay.

She musn't despair. She must grit her teeth and get through this. She can do it.

1185 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:46am

re: #1131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And to show just how that money will be well spent, let me ad this gem!

1186 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:05:55am

re: #1163 vxbush

Yes, he is good. I'll see if I can find a summary of his suggestions on his web site and send that to her.

My wife and I just started his total money makeover and are on baby step 2. We're hoping to be debt free with a partially funded emergency fund by January 2010.

1187 Fearless Fred  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:06:06am

445 véhicules incendiés durant la nuit de la Saint-Sylvestre
153 lizards logged in ... can anyone here read French?

1188 Joan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:06:10am

re: #1014 realwest

Well if Billy May goes off TV this year, that alone will make it a better year than last year.
Geez I really hate that guy!

you'll thank me later...

1189 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:06:17am

re: #1168 mikehrp

and we wish you the very best 2009 possible. Happy New Year!

1190 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:07:29am

Need support to counter anti-Israel rally, Friday, January 2, 2009, in Westwood, Los Angeles

There is going to be a huge anti Israel rally this Friday January 2, at 11 am. in front of the Federal Building in Westwood LA. We need to get the message of support for Israel and

Democracy out and bring a huge counter demonstration with signs, flags, and bullhorns.

Now is the time for Jews, Christians, Copts, and all people who have suffered from terrorism and radical Islam to support Israel. I need your help. There will be over a thousand protesters carrying signs that equate the Israeli flag to a Swastika, and calling for the elimination of the Jewish State. We are at war. What will it take for the Jews and others to get up, get out and make sure we have a chance to battle the media war too. We are losing the media war, and all of us are busy.

Go to standwithus.com for the signs

1191 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:07:30am

re: #1130 Sharmuta
Ah, gotcha!

1192 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:08:24am

re: #1160 vapig

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Arrrggghhh!

gggrrr...mission accomplished

You. Are. Welcome.

1193 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:08:47am

re: #1133 yma o hyd
I'm so sorry to hear that {yma} - prayers going up now.

1194 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:08:55am

Sports Note:

The Chicago Bears decided who was at fault for their failure to make the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row despite getting every break possible this season.

Was it the Offensive Coordinator Ron Turner who's game plans would not have challenged a reasoanbly bright 10 year old to figure out?

No.

Was it multi-million dollar linebacker Uralcher who had as many QB sacks this year as I did, and repeatedly got blocked by light running backs?

No.

Was it the Defensive Coordinator Babbich who's defensive schemes gave up 455 yards in the last game of the season and repeatedly gave up yards in huge chucks and thought a pass rush was somenting you did on your way to the paycheck window?

No.

Was it the General Manager who has repeatedly blown high draft picks over the past 4 years, overpaid to resign aging current players who then do not produce, and has the worst receiving corps in the NFL that I have ever seen in my life?

No.

The decided that the fault was the cornerbacks coach, Steve Wilks, who was fired the other day.

Expect the now fired Head Coach of the 0 and 16 Detroit Lions, Rod Marinelli, to be haired as a defensive coach with the Bears. He and Bears Head Coach Lovie Smith are good friends, and the best way to get hired as a coach by the Bears is to be a good friend of Smith.

1195 gop_patriot  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:09:09am

re: #1180 notutopia

Party pooper...

Well, here's some better news (probably already been discussed):

Strike Kills Hamas Leader as Israel Demands Global Monitors For Truce

Israel assassinated a Hamas strongman on Thursday in its first assault on the top leadership of the territory's ruling group, escalating a crushing aerial offensive even as it declared itself ready to launch a ground invasion.

While turning up the heat on the battlefield, Israel appeared to be sounding out a possible diplomatic exit from its campaign, demanding international monitors as a key term of any future truce with Gaza militants. The operation is meant to crush Gaza militants who have been terrorizing southern Israel with increasingly menacing rocket fire.

In launching the campaign on Saturday, Israel made it clear that no one in Hamas was immune, and the air attack on the eight-story apartment building where Nizar Rayan lived sent that message home.

Take that, Hamas POSs.

And a Happy New Year to all you Lizards! :)

1196 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:09:28am

re: #1167 Alouette

He protested the Gush Katif expulsion and was deemed an "extremist."

OIC, the self inflicted pain while the enemy smiles. Damn hope we win one, make something worth the sacrifice.

Everyone's web site is better than mine.

1197 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:09:38am

re: #1168 mikehrp

Oh yeah... Now I remember why I stopped reading LGF.

That was your only comment in like 2 years? I am very impressed..
That must have been hard for you..Did you spend all day on the Vet's day thread and couldn't reply though the tears? Maybe it was the ID threads that drew you to science or deeply held religious beliefs..maybe in the last couple years you read about lizards going through great life issues and you had not one word to say..even good luck.. Maybe during the entire election you didn't have one fucking thing to say for either side?
I'm impressed...

1198 Joan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:09:51am

re: #1155 vxbush
Parents earn every grey hair. God bless you.

1199 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:10:05am

re: #1187 Fearless Fred

445 véhicules incendiés durant la nuit de la Saint-Sylvestre
153 lizards logged in ... can anyone here read French?

I'm a little rusty but I think it says something to the effect that the number of vehicle fires jumped 20% from 372 to 445. Basically more cars were torched during the night of St. Sylvester this year than last year.

1200 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:10:46am

re: #1187 Fearless Fred

445 véhicules incendiés durant la nuit de la Saint-Sylvestre
153 lizards logged in ... can anyone here read French?

Yes, I can. The gist is that more cars were burned this year than last. St. Sylvestre is what the French call New Years. Would you like more details?

(I must confess I kind of giggled at "voitures brûlées"--it sound like a dessert.)

1201 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:11:06am

re: #1133 yma o hyd

Thank you.
Just been on the phone to her daughter.
Its not looking good, I'm afraid.

Prayers going up right now.

1202 ArmyWife  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:11:25am

re: #1199 Jetpilot1101

It probably points out the surge in Amish immigrants as well, spelling out the nexis between the incidents. Right?

1203 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:11:28am

re: #1200 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, I can. The gist is that more cars were burned this year than last. St. Sylvestre is what the French call New Years. Would you like more details?

(I must confess I kind of giggled at "voitures brûlées"--it sound like a dessert.)

...and a really good one at that. Something classy that you eat with arugula.

1204 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:12:18am
"voitures brûlées"

Car fires?

/trying to recall long suppressed college Fwench...

1205 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:12:26am

re: #1182 realwest

And at that IDF Boy woulda gotten off easily. Had someone come up to me at a kinda cocktail and snack party after I came home from Vietnam and ask me "So, what's it like to kill somebody?". My dad, rip, pulled me away before I could answer.

Once I rented a large house with 5 other's, while collecting rent for the month, one of my "roommates", started a dispute which ended with his calling me a Vietnam Baby Killer. He was "ahem" evicted about 5 minutes later, by a couple of Paramedics.

1206 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:12:28am

re: #1168 mikehrp

Oh yeah... Now I remember why I stopped reading LGF.

Oh and we missed you so much.

1207 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:12:44am

re: #1204 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Car fires?

/trying to recall long suppressed college Fwench...

Burnt cars, but you've got the idea.

1208 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:12:54am

re: #1144 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Good day to you, and Happy New Year to you as well.
Not so sure if the IDF will wait past today to kick off the ground assault - no special resources for saying this, just gut instinct.
And I am SO glad they killed that murdering S.O.B.

1209 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:07am

re: #1098 Alouette

At our family reunion last week, the following conversation took place:

ALOUETTE'S SISTER (AKA "AUNTIE MOONBAT"): So, I understand that you were in the Israeli army

ALOUETTE'S SON (AKA "IDF BOY"): Yeah, that's right.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: Did you ever hear of Rachel Corrie?

IDF BOY (Thinking: WTF?): Yeah, I know who that is.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: She was from Washington State, where I live.

IDF BOY: Really?

AUNTIE MOONBAT: What do you think of her?

IDF BOY: (Thinking: That she was a not too bright fucked up nazi bitch who got herself squashed into pancakes by playing "chicken" with heavy equipment, but if I say this to Auntie Moonbat she'll have a meltdown) That happened before my time.

AUNTIE MOONBAT: Did you know they made a play about her?

IDF BOY: Yeah, I heard about that. Did you see it?

AUNTIE MOONBAT: No, I didn't see it.

IDF BOY: I didn't see it either. (Wanders off to get a beer)


this sounds like the beginning of a play that would be worth seeing.
:)

1210 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:08am

re: #1155 vxbush

On my prayer list, vx.

1211 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:08am

re: #1200 goddessoftheclassroom


(I must confess I kind of giggled at "voitures brûlées"--it sound like a dessert.)

Sounds like 'broiled vultures' or something.

1212 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:24am

re: #1207 goddessoftheclassroom

Burnt cars, but you've got the idea.

Thanks. I'll assume in advance they taste like chicken.

1213 vxbush  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:42am

re: #1184 goddessoftheclassroom

You didn't ask for advice, but I feel compelled to offer some.

1. Student teaching is demanding, I know, but she can work weekends. ANYTHING thing is a step in the right direction, A bad credit report can hurt a job search later.

2. Unless you can comfortably do so, do NOT take on this debt yourself. If you can bail her out by lending her the money to pay it off, draw up a contract to spell out the terms and expectations for repayment, even if you can offer it interest free. DO NOT dip into your retirement or other savings. Is there a grandparent with the disposable income to help out, again with clear expectations of repayment?

3. She can sell some of her things on eBay.

She musn't despair. She must grit her teeth and get through this. She can do it.

I paid her school bill (which she also didn't pay), and now I've earned the right to walk her through this. I've said she's going to meet with me on the 15th and 30th of each month and we're going to go over expenses, income, etc. She's put together a list of places to go to for employment and she's going to be hitting them this weekend.

No grandparents available, and I don't have the money to pay this bill (I was willing to pay the school bill because it's her last semester). So I've already told her to start thinking about what her expenses will be so she can start figuring out how much she can pay each month toward this loan.

But my stomach is still in knots, despite all my prayers. So I need peace about all of this.

1214 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:56am

re: #1212 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Thanks. I'll assume in advance they taste like chicken.

I am seriously laughing out loud here!

1215 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:59am

Did I just feel a draft? DLTDHYOTWO

1216 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:14:15am

re: #1202 ArmyWife

It probably points out the surge in Amish immigrants as well, spelling out the nexis between the incidents. Right?

Actually it says they were Buhdists.

/

Looks like 17 folks were arrested. Is dix sept 17 Goddess?

1217 vxbush  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:15:02am

re: #1210 3 wood

On my prayer list, vx.

Many thanks...

1218 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:15:09am

re: #1149 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty! Happy New Year to you! Warm up c-rats? Hmmm, you have any special way of doing that? Cause that way ain't the smart way if you're still taking that vicodin - shave off too much and YOU'RE the one who'll get "warmed up"! LOL!

1219 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:15:18am

re: #1216 Jetpilot1101

dix is 10, non?

1220 big steve  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:15:52am

Not to bring everyone back to the start of this thread last night...the wonderful Stephen Gould quote...but I have an analogy. This past week I had three large Loblolly pine trees cut down in my yard. These three trees had been planted in a triangle from each other about three feet apart and also they are between my house and a neighbor so somewhat shaded by the houses. They had to compete for sunlight which caused them to grow fast and tall. We have often wondered who would plant three trees so close into the houses when we have a two acre lot behind it but they were nice trees and dropped pine cones and smelled pleasant so we enjoyed them.

During hurricane Ike this past summer, these three trees got whipped pretty bad by the wind but they stayed in place however Mrs Big Steve spent the entire night worrying about them crashing down on the house or worse on the elderly neighbor's house. Pine trees tend to break like broken arrows and fly like harpoons in storms. While the trees did fine they committed the cardinal sin of causing The Wife to worry so she ordered their execution and added this task to my winter honey do list. I decided to have it done this past week and arranged for a service to come an do the deed which was very tricky due to their 70 foot height, three trees close, and between two houses. Once cut, we counted the rings on the stumps and each tree had exactly 26 rings...that is a fact, the trees were 26 years old. Fact number two, the house is 26 years old in that I have the deed which shows the transfer of the original farm land to the builder in 1982 and then the transfer of the sub-lot with dwelling to the first owner in 1984...that is fact two.

So as a theory, I propose that the original owner planted them as seedlings, when they moved in or within the first year and in fact, the local school district is fond of giving grade school children loblolly pine seedlings to take home. Most likely they were planted with no thought of what would happen when they grew.

Now one could hire an army of PhD's and pay them for a year to research tree rings or my house deed but it is incredibly long odds that they would find anything but a match. One could argue fine points of my theory such as these were not from the school or they grew wild in an exact triangle pattern with the exact same type of tree but I still would bet the farm on my original theory. If someone could come up with a better fit for the facts, I would be all ears. This is what Gould is saying about evolution of humans and evolution overall.

1221 Fearless Fred  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:07am

re: #1199 Jetpilot1101

I'm a little rusty but I think it says something to the effect that the number of vehicle fires jumped 20% from 372 to 445. Basically more cars were torched during the night of St. Sylvester this year than last year.

Yep --

Tonight across France there will be 35,000 policemen and 50,000 firemen on duty. In a few of the nation’s major towns and cities over the last few years, New Year celebrations have been an excuse to ibndule in that vvery recent tradition of « car burning ». The New year car burning capitalm of France is Strasbourg. For roughly five years now, youths in Strasbourg have use the New Year festivities as an excuse to torch hundreds of cars. If you have an old wreck that you want to get rid of for the insurance money, it is still not too llate to drive to Strasbourg

~~fabfrog.blog

1222 albusteve  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:08am

re: #1164 realwest

Billy May and his ilk are the reasons why whoever invented the "mute" button ought to get a Nobel Prize!

true enough but on the other hand he's an example of what American capitalism is all about...sort of like a modern day snake oil salesman...I get a kick out him myself and the rest of em...they are harmless enough

1223 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:14am

re: #1213 vxbush

You have a plan. Stick with it ,it will all work out as long as she does not ignore the problem.

1224 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:19am

re: #1219 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

dix is 10, non?

Oui, and I think sept is seven but my French is rusty.

1225 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:27am

re: #1218 realwest

Hey Dusty! Happy New Year to you! Warm up c-rats? Hmmm, you have any special way of doing that? Cause that way ain't the smart way if you're still taking that vicodin - shave off too much and YOU'RE the one who'll get "warmed up"! LOL!

Oh Oh...:)

1226 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:30am

There are a lot of zombified couples in this coffee shop getting to know each other this morning. "Uh, so do you like...stuff?"

1227 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:32am

re: #1078 realwest

Fucker is all over TV down here - actually pushing some kind of super glue with which he "mends" an American Flag.
Stupid shit. I really hate him...a lot.

You have to admit, though, he is immaculately coiffed.

1228 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:45am

re: #1213 vxbush

{ { { {vxbusH} } }

I just dedicated a prayer to you. You're doing all the right things, so trust that all will be well.

Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

1229 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:16:49am

re: #1218 realwest

Hey Dusty! Happy New Year to you! Warm up c-rats? Hmmm, you have any special way of doing that? Cause that way ain't the smart way if you're still taking that vicodin - shave off too much and YOU'RE the one who'll get "warmed up"! LOL!

#1197 realwest..what's up with that post i replied to?

1230 3 wood  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:17:56am

I hear my State of Illinois has a new slogan:

Illinois - Where our Governors make the license plates.

1231 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:18:11am

re: #1224 Jetpilot1101

Oui, and I think sept is seven but my French is rusty.

You and me both (its still a matter of speculation how I survived the required 4 semesters... not helped in the least by the fact that the course was taught by a paranoid Romanian national teaching French to English speaking students... kinda makes your head spin, did mine).

1232 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:18:13am

re: #1162 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Nah, LT, it'd be better if you hired him, cause if it was up to me, I jack one in the chamber and then we'd need another spokesperson!

1233 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:19:19am

Sad, sad dhimmi in Tehran

1234 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:19:56am

re: #1232 realwest

It's your money, pal, you can off him if you want... just get that Sham-wow idiot to take his place.

1235 chicken kiev  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:20:10am

1187 fearless fred

I can't read French really, but based on my ability to read Spanish, which is kinda like French, here's a bit of what it says about those car burnings; forgive me if I'm wrong:

There were more burnings this NYE than last NYE. And...

Most of the burnings happened in the urban zone around Strasbourg.

Seventeen persons were arrested for arson.

In Toulouse, twelve cars were burned before midnight in the neighborhoods of Bagatelle and La Reynerie.

In the city of Nantes, around ten cars burned.

There is more but I can't really read French. But I bet if we Googled those neighborhoods in Toulouse, we might see how "diverse" they are.

1236 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:20:15am

re: #1224 Jetpilot1101
Only French I know army=surrender.

1237 Fearless Fred  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:20:24am

re: #1200 goddessoftheclassroom

I just wondered if the youths were of any particular ethnicity, and why they have chosen this rather startling way to begin the new year.

1238 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:20:41am

re: #1236 kcladderman

Forgot the /

1239 big steve  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:20:41am

re: #1222 albusteve

true enough but on the other hand he's an example of what American capitalism is all about...sort of like a modern day snake oil salesman...I get a kick out him myself and the rest of em...they are harmless enough

Where DID this guy come from. Somehow is everywhere now. He is only a slight notch above the Shamwow guy for sleazyness.

1240 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:20:46am

Hey Wait a minute - # 1168 was deleted and had 0 comments, 0 links and a Karma of Negative Four!
Don't know who it is, but that's gotta be somekind of record for horrid behavior out here!

1241 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:20:59am

re: #1233 Alouette

Sad, sad dhimmi in Tehran

You think this came from a [proverbial] gun pointed at his head?

1242 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:21:15am

Goddess? May sound silly, but can we add the snipey snipers to the prayer list? Those who seldom post, but only do post when they want to add a snarky comment, and those who never post, but just down ding.

Something like this...

"And help the unknowns find fulfillment.".

1243 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:21:22am

re: #1236 kcladderman

Only French I know army=surrender.

Oddly, the same word they use for "attack", "defend" and "hold to the last".

1244 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:21:34am

re: #1231 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

paranoid Romanian national

One of there leading exports.
"Enter of your own free will"

1245 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:21:38am

re: #1168 mikehrp

And now you can stop commenting here too!

No need to thank me. Just trying to help out.

1246 opnion  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:21:52am

Happy New Year!

1247 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:22:02am

The Erie (Democrat) Times News in the moonbat city Erie, PA, my "home" town" which I live in for family reasons for at least the next 6 months (I'm getting the hell out of here!) actually printed this letter to the editor:

Bush makes bad decision

Thanks to George W. Bush for rushing an 11th-hour decision that allows health-care takers to refuse treatment to sick patients if they don't have the same belief system as the caretaker.
Rejecting health care is immmoral in my book, just like attacking a nation under false pretenses.

(Name given, but I will not post here)
Erie

They print this letter, but of course the writer doesn't site when, where, or how this "refusal" of treatment took place. I would write a sternly written letter to the editor, but there's NO way the editor of this one sided news paper would even think about printing it, or even get passed the first line reading it. I can't wait to get out of this Kool-Aid drinking moonbat city. I've written letters to the editor that, of course, have never made the light of day, but they will print flat out lies like this.

1248 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:22:10am

re: #1245 Charles

And now you can stop commenting here too!

No need to thank me. Just trying to help out.

You aim to please!

1249 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:22:36am

re: #1245 Charles

Your generosity knows no bounds. I am awed.

1250 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:22:40am

re: #1240 realwest

Hey Wait a minute - # 1168 was deleted and had 0 comments, 0 links and a Karma of Negative Four!
Don't know who it is, but that's gotta be somekind of record for horrid behavior out here!

Like a typical Detroit Lions drive he was one-and-out.

1251 Joan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:22:42am

re: #1025 rightymouse

Happy New Year, righty!

1252 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:22:55am

re: #1236 kcladderman

Only French I know army=surrender.

LOL
That is so 20th Century .. They got like all these nuclear bombs now so you really have to weigh the options of invading for the wine and cheese booty.

1253 vxbush  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:23:21am

re: #1228 goddessoftheclassroom

{ { { {vxbusH} } }

I just dedicated a prayer to you. You're doing all the right things, so trust that all will be well.

Thanks. The one thing that currently has me concerned is that she couldn't register for classes until her bill was paid, and she can't register until Monday. Classes start Wednesday. I'm concerned now that this may throw everything out with regard to her student teaching. She's the one who screwed up and waited until the last minute, so she'll pay for it. But I'm really hoping this isn't the case.

1254 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:10am

re: #1243 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Kinda like the French version of Aloha.

1255 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:13am

Later Lizards... time to go start the real new year... Ugh.

1256 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:18am

re: #1240 realwest

That was the trolloid mikehrp who, in more than one year registered, posted only once -- toda -- disparaging LGF. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

1257 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:29am

re: #1188 Joan
"you'll thank me later..." and then again, maybe not! LOL!

1258 chicken kiev  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:34am

Oui, there is a major mosque in La Reynerie, Toulouse, where the cars burned.

Car-burnings have been a frequent occurrence in that district in previous years as well.

1259 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:48am

re: #1245 Charles

And now you can stop commenting here too!

No need to thank me. Just trying to help out.

Good thing you remembered why you started blocking assholes.

1260 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:54am

re: #700 Steffan

My HS biology teacher said that we aren't descended from apes. If we were, she said, there wouldn't be any apes. A common ancestor, she could buy. Which might, after all, explain why a chimpanzee has 99% of our DNA.

On a similar note, in the words of General George Pickett: "I challenge the man who says that General Robert E. Lee is descended from a ape."

We are descended from vertebrates and there are still vertebrates around, lots of them.

But if you're looking for someone to take issue with then try this guy. he was the first one to call us primates.

But I suppose that Darwin was the first to say that we were descended from apes.

Either way, you will need to start with a shovel.

Can anyone spot the connection?

Youtube Video
1261 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:56am

re: #1169 realwest

Yeah, that orange snuggie makes him look like a disco monk!


Wouldn't be surprised if they all felt like dorks making the commercial. lol!

1262 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:25:30am

re: #1242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Goddess? May sound silly, but can we add the snipey snipers to the prayer list? Those who seldom post, but only do post when they want to add a snarky comment, and those who never post, but just down ding.

Something like this...

"And help the unknowns find fulfillment.".

That's a beautiful thought. I've added it--it applies to so many situations. It is the empty soul that wants to drain the contentment of others.

1263 opnion  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:25:38am

re: #1230 3 wood

I hear my State of Illinois has a new slogan:

Illinois - Where our Governors make the license plates.

We are certainly showing our good side to the rest of the country.
Blago's "appointee" Roland Burris plans to show up at the Senate on Tuesday to be sworn in & seated. Blago may accomany him, as sitting governors get floor privileges.
Burris says that he will not make a scene or play the race card.
Well, showing up will create a scene & the race card is already on the table

1264 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:25:46am

Good morning, everyone, and Happy New Year!

{vxbush} - things will turn out OK in the end, truly . . . but prayers for you & your daughter for the strength to get through the tough times!

1265 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:26:02am

OMG! Just got an email from...ready?...

SNUGGIE! THE BLANKET WITH SLEEVES!

Absolutely have to fix my spam filter.

1266 big steve  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:26:42am

I have a question for the audience here. Watch one of those year in review things last night and there was a clip of a woman animatedly saying how the economic downturn had caused her to not be able to feed her family. The woman saying this was morbidly obese. Some how come when the MSM interviews people they just accept what they say without question for a good sound bite? And as a follow-up, how come people who scream on TV that they can't feed their family are always grossly overweight?

1267 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:26:49am

re: #1265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OMG! Just got an email from...ready?...

SNUGGIE! THE BLANKET WITH SLEEVES!

Absolutely have to fix my spam filter.

No effin' way. I would delete it, restore it to the inbox, delete it again, and repeat at least 72 times.

1268 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:26:55am

jumping on the thread late here ... but has this story been discussed:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

major hamasshole killed in gaza

1269 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:26:56am

re: #1240 realwest

Hey Wait a minute - # 1168 was deleted and had 0 comments, 0 links and a Karma of Negative Four!
Don't know who it is, but that's gotta be somekind of record for horrid behavior out here!

On the other hand, he's neither a Karma suck nor a bandwidth hog.

1270 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:27:10am

re: #1194 3 wood
ROTFLMAO! I am sorry for Da Bears, but that was really funny!
Be funnier yet if Lovie did hire him!

1271 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:27:13am

re: #1265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OMG! Just got an email from...ready?...

SNUGGIE! THE BLANKET WITH SLEEVES!

Absolutely have to fix my spam filter.

It looks like an untied straightjacket.

1272 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:27:21am

&#9834 &#9836 Happy New Year, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

{realwest} *New Year smoochie* :D

1273 loveguru  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:27:30am

Happy new year volks :)

1274 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:27:42am

re: #1245 Charles

And now you can stop commenting here too!

No need to thank me. Just trying to help out.

Holy crap, that was fast.

1275 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:27:45am

re: #1267 gclaghorn

No effin' way. I would delete it, restore it to the inbox, delete it again, and repeat at least 72 times.

I can forward it to you. Blue your nic...(if you dare)...

Nah, don't bother. I don't know how to do that anyway.

1276 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:27:50am

re: #1265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OMG! Just got an email from...ready?...

SNUGGIE! THE BLANKET WITH SLEEVES!

Absolutely have to fix my spam filter.

hee-hee!

Snuggie Blanket Official Web Site.

Watch TV in total warmth and comfort. But don't get up or you'll trip on the long edges.

1277 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:28:11am

re: #1266 big steve

I have a question for the audience here. Watch one of those year in review things last night and there was a clip of a woman animatedly saying how the economic downturn had caused her to not be able to feed her family. The woman saying this was morbidly obese. Some how come when the MSM interviews people they just accept what they say without question for a good sound bite? And as a follow-up, how come people who scream on TV that they can't feed their family are always grossly overweight?

It fits the victimhood narrative being pushed by the LLL media.

1278 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:28:23am

re: #1272 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Happy New Year, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

{realwest} *New Year smoochie* :D

Love 'yer avatars.

/sounds so suggestive!

1279 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:28:37am

re: #1263 opnion

We are certainly showing our good side to the rest of the country.
Blago's "appointee" Roland Burris plans to show up at the Senate on Tuesday to be sworn in & seated. Blago may accomany him, as sitting governors get floor privileges.
Burris says that he will not make a scene or play the race card.
Well, showing up will create a scene & the race card is already on the table


Can he leave the state while on Bail? Blugo and a couple of Bounty hunters...what a mental picture that makes...

1280 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:28:47am

re: #1275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can forward it to you. Blue your nic...(if you dare)...

Nah, don't bother. I don't know how to do that anyway.

No thank you. You can have all the fun this time. I'm disabling my spam filter and signing up for the Snuggies listserv just for that purpose. ;)

1281 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:29:00am

re: #1265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OMG! Just got an email from...ready?...

SNUGGIE! THE BLANKET WITH SLEEVES!

Absolutely have to fix my spam filter.

The old man in that commercial looks like the Heaven's Gate leader.

1282 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:29:25am

re: #1253 vxbush

Thanks. The one thing that currently has me concerned is that she couldn't register for classes until her bill was paid, and she can't register until Monday. Classes start Wednesday. I'm concerned now that this may throw everything out with regard to her student teaching. She's the one who screwed up and waited until the last minute, so she'll pay for it. But I'm really hoping this isn't the case.

I'm a cooperating teacher, the "real "teacher who trains the student teacher. If she's student teaching this spring, the placement has probably already been made and is just awaiting the payment confirmation to be formalized.

1283 Fearless Fred  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:29:40am

re: #1235 chicken kiev

1187 fearless fred ...
"But I bet if we Googled those neighborhoods in Toulouse, we might see how "diverse" they are.

That's what I was wondering.

1284 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:29:51am

re: #1241 Gang of One

You think this came from a [proverbial] gun pointed at his head?

His options are rather limited.

1285 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:29:55am

re: #1281 NJDhockeyfan

The old man in that commercial looks like the Heaven's Gate leader.

In the orange? We're calling him "Friar Schmuck".

1286 Sunlight  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:30:12am

OMG. Over 40 rockets fired into Israel again today.
Israellycool is still liveblogging. A public service!

1287 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:30:33am

re: #1284 Alouette

His options are rather limited.

Point taken.

1288 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:30:49am

re: #1266 big steve

I have a question for the audience here. Watch one of those year in review things last night and there was a clip of a woman animatedly saying how the economic downturn had caused her to not be able to feed her family. The woman saying this was morbidly obese. Some how come when the MSM interviews people they just accept what they say without question for a good sound bite? And as a follow-up, how come people who scream on TV that they can't feed their family are always grossly overweight?

The media will tell you it is because it is much cheaper to eat unhealthy than it is to eat healthy.
Though I think laziness has more to do with the success of McDonalds $1 menu than anything.

1289 opnion  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:31:26am

re: #1265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OMG! Just got an email from...ready?...

SNUGGIE! THE BLANKET WITH SLEEVES!

Absolutely have to fix my spam filter.


I love the part when they say "One size fits all" after you have seen the family at the football game & you see that the little girls arms go about half way down the sleeves

1290 loveguru  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:31:27am

hey, anyone has any idea about IFYC , and this guy EBoo patel ?

1291 stevieray  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:32:26am

Yay!

Just got my cable/internet back! Why do these things always die at the worst times -- like 11:30 p.m. New Year's Eve?

1292 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:33:03am

New avatar, BTW. :D

1293 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:33:15am

re: #1292 Miss Trixie

New avatar, BTW. :D

Love it.

1294 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:33:17am

re: #1229 HoosierHoops
Sorry Hoops - I don't understand what you're talking about - read my post but not any direct response from you?!

1295 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:33:19am

re: #1292 Miss Trixie

Funny as heck.

1296 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:33:22am

re: #1291 stevieray

Bushs' fault.

1297 opnion  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:33:30am

re: #1279 Dustyvet

Can he leave the state while on Bail? Blugo and a couple of Bounty hunters...what a mental picture that makes...


That is a good question. The paper never coverd whether or not he could leave Il while on bail. I suspect that there may some kind of official duties exception.

1298 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:33:46am

re: #1251 Joan

Happy New Year, righty!

Happy New Year!

We're going over to teenlets godparents' home this afternoon to partaayyy like it's 2009.

1299 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:34:01am

Well Happy New Year everyone. Not much has changed I see. PLO propaganda on Fox. I made my first bagel run of 2009. And soon the first daddy bus of 2009 will get underway.

1300 albusteve  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:34:14am

re: #1239 big steve

Where DID this guy come from. Somehow is everywhere now. He is only a slight notch above the Shamwow guy for sleazyness.

that's the point...it's theater, part of the way we do business in this country...you get to witness modern day miracles!...

1301 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:34:15am

Uncle Jay reviews 2008

In 3.5 minutes.

Youtube Video
1302 gclaghorn  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:34:17am

re: #1298 rightymouse

Happy New Year!

We're going over to teenlets godparents' home this afternoon to partaayyy like it's 2009.

And look at that...it is 2009!

;)

1303 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:34:27am

re: #1278 Bloodnok

Love 'yer avatars.

/sounds so suggestive!

Upschwingding! :D

1304 loveguru  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:34:42am

re: #1286 Sunlight

hezbullah is also considering attack, and they might strike any minute

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

anyways there is a terrible escalation now. No one knows, were it's going.
I think Israel must include Teheran and Iranian military facilities to resolve this conflict. Rockets hit the south everywhere. Beer Sheva, Ashdod, Yane, Kiriat Malachi. There is a warning also for Tel Aviv area. it's places that were never hit before. The rockets are Iranian-made. So that's why I think we should pre-empt on Iran, while Israel is at war anyway.

1305 vxbush  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:35:09am

re: #1282 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm a cooperating teacher, the "real "teacher who trains the student teacher. If she's student teaching this spring, the placement has probably already been made and is just awaiting the payment confirmation to be formalized.

I hope you're right. I've made the school payment, and she knows which school she's teaching in. She's trying to contact the teacher because she believes she has to start Monday, and that would be really hard as she needs to register Monday.

1306 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:35:12am

More cleaning...

1307 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:35:18am

Gee the PLO putz on Fox is quoting CNN. How much lower can you go?

1308 stevieray  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:35:20am

re: #1296 sngnsgt

Bushs' fault.

The bastid!

1309 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:35:49am

re: #1195 gop_patriot


awesome story ... now is the time for our most "special" Americans and their iranian friends to start wreaking some havoc inside iran. Press them! The price of oil is down, so what better time to POUND them wherever we can.

1310 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:35:51am

re: #1304 loveguru

hezbullah is also considering attack, and they might strike any minute

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

anyways there is a terrible escalation now. No one knows, were it's going.
I think Israel must include Teheran and Iranian military facilities to resolve this conflict. Rockets hit the south everywhere. Beer Sheva, Ashdod, Yane, Kiriat Malachi. There is a warning also for Tel Aviv area. it's places that were never hit before. The rockets are Iranian-made. So that's why I think we should pre-empt on Iran, while Israel is at war anyway.

And do so before Jan 20th.

1311 The Hoopster  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:36:15am

re: #1294 realwest

Sorry Hoops - I don't understand what you're talking about - read my post but not any direct response from you?!

Sorry..post was deleted by Charles..It's not often you get to behold human stupidity in all its glory.. Just a heads up bro..
/I'm getting sleepy now

1312 Luigi  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:36:37am

Via HotAir

The American public is responding to the Gaza war about the way the media wants them to.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

Sixty-two percent (62%) of Republicans back Israel’s decision to take military action against the Palestinians, but only half as many Democrats (31%) agree.


Although we are a fair, clever and just people, we can only operate on the basis of the information we are given. The machine that was turned against Sarah Palin is now aimed at Israel.

This is why the best hope for Israel is to stay out of the news. The news is in enemy hands, just as in the Iraq war. The healthiest way to do that now is succeed with the Iron Dome project in order to achieve some protection from Hamas and Hezbollah missiles. Israel needs to disengage from Hamas with a missile defense, just as it disengaged from Fatah with the security fence. I'm not saying that's easy.

Success with Iron Dome also plays strongly to American interests. Despite what the media says, the American public will be served if our ally developed a workable anti-missile defense.

1313 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:37:02am

re: #1304 loveguru

hezbullah is also considering attack, and they might strike any minute

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

anyways there is a terrible escalation now. No one knows, were it's going.
I think Israel must include Teheran and Iranian military facilities to resolve this conflict. Rockets hit the south everywhere. Beer Sheva, Ashdod, Yane, Kiriat Malachi. There is a warning also for Tel Aviv area. it's places that were never hit before. The rockets are Iranian-made. So that's why I think we should pre-empt on Iran, while Israel is at war anyway.

That's really bad. My daughter lives in Safed. They had to evacuate during the 2006 war.

1314 yochanan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:37:30am

re: #1159 lifeofthemind

they can't prevent him from going what they can do is not loan him the money since the jewish agency is the one who does that. and politics offen applies depending on who the buracrat is that does the paper work

1315 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:37:34am

{rightymouse} Happy New year, mousie! *MWAH*

Your new avatar is cute - updingywingy! :D

1316 opnion  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:37:38am

re: #1276 reine.de.tout

hee-hee!

Snuggie Blanket Official Web Site.

Watch TV in total warmth and comfort. But don't get up or you'll trip on the long edges.


They should have Billy Mays pitch the Snuggie. He does the "Slider" cooker now. He could demonstrate how to consume a slider without getting your Snuggie sleeve full of grease.

1317 loveguru  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:38:05am

re: #1310 Nevergiveup

And do so before Jan 20th.

whats on jan 20 ? anyways attacking iran is not a pure solution..and this will not solve the problem of course. as the problem is Islam

1318 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:38:08am

re: #1288 kcladderman

The media will tell you it is because it is much cheaper to eat unhealthy than it is to eat healthy.
Though I think laziness has more to do with the success of McDonalds $1 menu than anything.

I've done an unscientific and unofficial debunking of this.

Snack foods and processed foods are calories dense and more expensive, I think menu planning should be some of the services offered to public assistance recipients. Healthy and affordable eating does take some thought and planning.

For instance, we had a fresh turkey that cost $40 from a local farm for Christmas. In addition to Christmas dinner, I froze five 1-pound portions for later meals PLUS I made a huge pot of soup from the stock from the carcass--at least four more meals (family of 4) from that. My point is that each meal for the turkey--more expensive than the Butterball at the supermarket--figures out to be $4 a meal or a dollar a person per meal.

1319 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:38:19am

Afghan Women Remove Viagra Burkas As Men Bite The Magic Bullet


ANORAK has long believed that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are peopled by men who don’t get enough sex.

The Washington Post reports on goings on Afghanistan:

“Take one of these. You’ll love it,” the officer said. “Compliments of Uncle Sam.”

The enticement worked. The officer, who described the encounter, returned four days later to an enthusiastic reception. The grinning chief offered up a bonanza of information about Taliban movements and supply routes - followed by a request for more pills.

The pills are of course, Viagra tablets, and America’s candy man is chucking them about in a bid to keep the locals happy, or at least half of them. Anorak also notes how the favoured head-to-toe burka is a light blue, a Viagra blue. The local woman are not repressed, rather dressed up like a sex lozenge.

Now the menfolk have the mighty blue pill, the women have no need for such kinks and can take off their come hither attire and wear their traditional peek-a-boo nighties, Y-fronts and roller blades.

Heh.

1320 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:38:33am

re: #1292 Miss Trixie

New avatar, BTW. :D

Good one!

Happy New Years, toots!

1321 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:38:43am

re: #1236 kcladderman

Only French I know army=surrender.

I'll defend the honor of the French. God I know being a contrarian can be a vice.
They can be plenty tough, they bled at Verdun and frankly they have been more willing to go into former colonies in Africa and kick ass when in their interests than anyone else. What rankles are four things.
1) The hypocrisy when they condemn others doing the same thing
2) The hypocritical veneer of intellectualism and luxury aristocratic elitism over anti-Semitism, anti-Capitalism, oil for food corruption and mob violence
3) Their inability to sanely confront the consequences of their failed policy in Algeria that opened the European floodgates to Islamist immigration and to extremist politics.
4) The pretensions of standing for democracy while building the regulatory fraud of the EU in defiance of the will of the people.

Aren't you glad I'm on their side?

1322 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:39:03am

re: #1264 reine.de.tout
Good morning {riene} and Happy New Year to you, too!

1323 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:39:11am

re: #1313 Alouette

That's really bad. My daughter lives in Safed. They had to evacuate during the 2006 war.

But were to evacuate to now with fire coming from both sides? And when ( and it is going to be when not if ) they start firing from Judea and Samaria then what. I say finish this thing in Gaza now and send a strong and unambiguous message.

1324 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:39:42am

NDJHockey

The old man in that commercial looks like the Heaven's Gate leader.

:D

1325 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:40:00am

re: #1317 loveguru

whats on jan 20 ? anyways attacking iran is not a pure solution..and this will not solve the problem of course. as the problem is Islam

Jan 20th? That is when the children will be in charge.

1326 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:40:08am

re: #1304 loveguru

hezbullah is also considering attack, and they might strike any minute
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
anyways there is a terrible escalation now. No one knows, were it's going.
I think Israel must include Teheran and Iranian military facilities to resolve this conflict. Rockets hit the south everywhere. Beer Sheva, Ashdod, Yane, Kiriat Malachi. There is a warning also for Tel Aviv area. it's places that were never hit before. The rockets are Iranian-made. So that's why I think we should pre-empt on Iran, while Israel is at war anyway.

All in good time.
No need to panic or make unfounded statements.

1327 albusteve  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:40:09am

re: #1304 loveguru

hezbullah is also considering attack, and they might strike any minute

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

anyways there is a terrible escalation now. No one knows, were it's going.
I think Israel must include Teheran and Iranian military facilities to resolve this conflict. Rockets hit the south everywhere. Beer Sheva, Ashdod, Yane, Kiriat Malachi. There is a warning also for Tel Aviv area. it's places that were never hit before. The rockets are Iranian-made. So that's why I think we should pre-empt on Iran, while Israel is at war anyway.

that would be super stupid of Hizi...and Tehran...one threat from either and I'd pounce...they know this...not a good time for them to open up a 'northern front'

1328 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:40:43am

re: #1302 gclaghorn

And look at that...it is 2009!

;)

Why, yes. Yes it is. lol!

1329 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:41:11am

re: #1317 loveguru

whats on jan 20 ? anyways attacking iran is not a pure solution..and this will not solve the problem of course. as the problem is Islam

True, but to be a fly on the wall, and see the look on dinner jackets face, just as a missile comes crashing through the ceiling would be priceless.

1330 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:41:27am

re: #1305 vxbush

I hope you're right. I've made the school payment, and she knows which school she's teaching in. She's trying to contact the teacher because she believes she has to start Monday, and that would be really hard as she needs to register Monday.

Can she register online? If not, have her explain the situation to the co-op, be in line to register when the office opens, then get back to the school as soon as she can. It will work.

FWIF, my student teacher doesn't start until the 12th, but your daughter's college probably has a different calendar.

1331 Gang of One  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:41:29am

re: #1317 loveguru

whats on jan 20 ? anyways attacking iran is not a pure solution..and this will not solve the problem of course. as the problem is Islam

Bush's last day in office, 12:00 noon.

1332 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:42:47am

New, hair o' the dog thread upstairs.

1333 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:42:59am

re: #1269 Spare O'Lake
LOL! Well, there is that!

1334 rightymouse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:43:32am

re: #1315 Miss Trixie

{rightymouse} Happy New year, mousie! *MWAH*

Your new avatar is cute - updingywingy! :D

It's just for today. Am in my laboratory working on a new one for tomorrow.

1335 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:44:36am

re: #1272 {Miss Trixie}
Hey there gorgeous! Happy New Year to you, too and many *smoooches* with which to celebrate!

1336 Sunlight  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:44:42am

re: #1312 Luigi

Via HotAir

The American public is responding to the Gaza war about the way the media wants them to.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]


Although we are a fair, clever and just people, we can only operate on the basis of the information we are given. The machine that was turned against Sarah Palin is now aimed at Israel.

This is why the best hope for Israel is to stay out of the news. The news is in enemy hands, just as in the Iraq war. The healthiest way to do that now is succeed with the Iron Dome project in order to achieve some protection from Hamas and Hezbollah missiles. Israel needs to disengage from Hamas with a missile defense, just as it disengaged from Fatah with the security fence. I'm not saying that's easy.

Success with Iron Dome also plays strongly to American interests. Despite what the media says, the American public will be served if our ally developed a workable anti-missile defense.

Luigi, you said it EXACTLY! I keep waiting for an item in the news (or on a blog since the MSM will NOT want to report this) that Israel has knocked down even a single rocket in flight back over Gaza. I waited for it in Leb II and was hoping they would field something (anything!) to do this during this Gaza op. Before the ground guys go in. TODAY! I'm not sure what the holdup is, because I'm thinking they have the pieces, but maybe not put together as a system. Go Israel! Do this!

1337 vxbush  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:45:39am

re: #1330 goddessoftheclassroom

Can she register online? If not, have her explain the situation to the co-op, be in line to register when the office opens, then get back to the school as soon as she can. It will work.

FWIF, my student teacher doesn't start until the 12th, but your daughter's college probably has a different calendar.

She doesn't think so, although I thought she could. It may be that you can only register online before a certain date. But I told her to contact her teacher at her site and see if she can at least take half a day off Monday to go register. Apparently the student teachers are expected to show up for the first day of classes in January, just like regular teachers, even before the university school year starts.

1338 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:51:27am

re: #1318 goddessoftheclassroom

I've done an unscientific and unofficial debunking of this.

Snack foods and processed foods are calories dense and more expensive, I think menu planning should be some of the services offered to public assistance recipients. Healthy and affordable eating does take some thought and planning.

For instance, we had a fresh turkey that cost $40 from a local farm for Christmas. In addition to Christmas dinner, I froze five 1-pound portions for later meals PLUS I made a huge pot of soup from the stock from the carcass--at least four more meals (family of 4) from that. My point is that each meal for the turkey--more expensive than the Butterball at the supermarket--figures out to be $4 a meal or a dollar a person per meal.

Exactly!

1339 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:53:57am

re: #1276 reine.de.tout
As I said in my #1153; one size fits all, means lots of couchpotatoes are gonna get up to walk to the kitchen, fall and go BOOM! LOL!

1340 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:56:50am

re: #1278 Bloodnok
HEY! Back off there dude, she's done spoken for!
:)

1341 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:57:55am

re: #1281 NJDhockeyfan
Holy Crap, you're right, he does look like whatisname!

1342 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:58:59am

re: #1285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Huh, I thought we were calling him the Disco Friar?!

1343 realwest  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:00:12am

re: #1286 Sunlight
Sonsabitches - just another reason why I HOPE Israel starts the ground offensive TODAY.

1344 J.S.  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:11:48am

What a brilliant mind Stephen Jay Gould had! I wish he were still alive...

1345 Super-ego  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:12:30am

Happy New Year to all of ya lizards!

It took me forever to get through all of these posts. This topic, Evolution, always seems to gather heat. I can learn a little from each one of you I am sure. So far I have learned that I need to be very aware of my surroundings.

This is a topic that is very important to me. I am trying to learn all I can so I can create a thoughtful, well educated, and balanced foundation for my beliefs. Although I believe in an Intelligent Designer I also support the theory of Evolution.

There have been lots of good links posted to help me on my way.

Thanks!

1346 SteveC  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:13:48am

re: #1343 realwest

Sonsabitches - just another reason why I HOPE Israel starts the ground offensive TODAY.

There was a report of rain in Gaza yesterday, made the ground mud. They'll wait until it all dries out.

1347 BaseballMom57  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:43:41am

re: #384 Tarkus289

Topic from earlier, Laura Bush.

Laura Bush

That was a wonderful article. I wholeheartedly agree.

1348 BaseballMom57  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:48:24am

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

EXCELLENT! Thanks for posting them, Walter!

1349 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 10:18:01am

re: #1022 gclaghorn

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Palestinian woman holding sign that says, "We love Americans...only those like Rachel Corrie."

Methinks its time for this unflattering picture of Corrie as an "American," yet again.

Oddly enough, in that comment thread "He Who Must Not Be Named" aka "Ranbutan" was having a rare moment of clarity.

I miss Ariel, btw. And zulubaby, and quite a few others who posted on that thread...

1350 J.S.  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:07:25am

re: #46 zombie

What? What? What? Pinker? pfft, please. Do you understand what was being debated? (from your comment above, I don't think so...but, this whole debate about Gould vs many others, imo, falls outside of the "blog" world and is far too complex/complicated to be addressed in this sort of forum-- so I won't argue it here). On a different topic, was the text you were trying to remember "Animal Evolution: Interrelationships of the Living Phyla" by Claus Nielsen?

1351 stretch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:26:49am

And human beings evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered..."

Gould is hoping to put a good face on a major controversy within the evolutionist movement: he's a fan of "punctuated equilibrium" which says that there were long periods of stasis punctuated by rapid evolutionary progress. He posits this because of the dearth of transitional forms, and the rapid appearance of so many species in the fossil record, with fully formed and fully functional appendages and the like (i.e., we don't see 'many transitional forms' because we're not supposed to see them - how convenient!). The biologists/geneticists oppose this paleontological approach, simply because the genetics require gradualism (like most have learned in school)

1352 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:45:45am

re: #1351 stretch

He posits this because of the dearth of transitional forms, and the rapid appearance of so many species in the fossil record, with fully formed and fully functional appendages and the like (i.e., we don't see 'many transitional forms' because we're not supposed to see them - how convenient!).

A very incomplete list of transitional fossils.

1353 J.S.  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:13:27pm

re: #1351 stretch

You are wrong on several points. First of all, Stephen Jay Gould coined the term "punctuated equilibrium". No one else used this phrase prior to Stephen Jay Gould. Secondly, Stephen Jay Gould was NOT a "fan" of creationists, nor was he a fan of those who attempted to misrepresent or distort his writings (especially those who attempted to claim that he was somehow negating Darwin's Theory of Evolution.) (To attempt to explain to you how punctuated equilibrium fits into Evolutionary Theory is, i suspect, not a worthwhile enterprise on my part; hence, I won't attempt it. There are, however, any number of published scientific papers available -- look them up).

1354 stretch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:21:35pm

re: #1352 Charles

A very incomplete list of transitional fossils.

putting aside for a moment the debate on what constitues a transitional form (which the wiki link says to be a "misconception"), and how a true 'transitional' varies from a mosaic, such as a platypus - I was pointing out how SJG's fav approach with punctuated equilibrium constrasts to gradualism (the mechanism of evolution proposed by Darwin). To me, its a joke to say that evolution is a scientifically proven fact, but that the mechanism for how one species can change into another species is still debatable/theory. There is no other area of science where this kind of nonsense would be given the time of day.

1355 stretch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:23:25pm

re: #1353 J.S.

You are wrong on several points. First of all, Stephen Jay Gould coined the term "punctuated equilibrium". No one else used this phrase prior to Stephen Jay Gould. Secondly, Stephen Jay Gould was NOT a "fan" of creationists, nor was he a fan of those who attempted to misrepresent or distort his writings (especially those who attempted to claim that he was somehow negating Darwin's Theory of Evolution.) (To attempt to explain to you how punctuated equilibrium fits into Evolutionary Theory is, i suspect, not a worthwhile enterprise on my part; hence, I won't attempt it. There are, however, any number of published scientific papers available -- look them up).

? please reread my post - I did not say that SJG did not coin the term (i.e. "posits"), nor did I say that he was a fan of anyone, including creationists. What are you talking about?

1356 stretch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:29:56pm

I should follow up by saying that SJG's 'conflicts' with Darwinian gradualism are stunning in the sense that, in a court of law, the testimony of a hostile witness is viewed as the most credible (such as a witness for the defense saying something incriminating)

1357 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:30:56pm

Stephen Jay Gould, 'Evolution as Fact and Theory' 1994:

Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists—whether through design or stupidity, I do not know—as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups. Yet a pamphlet entitled "Harvard Scientists Agree Evolution Is a Hoax" states: "The facts of punctuated equilibrium which Gould and Eldredge ... are forcing Darwinists to swallow fit the picture that Bryan insisted on, and which God has revealed to us in the Bible."

1358 stretch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:42:08pm

re: #1357 Charles

Stephen Jay Gould, 'Evolution as Fact and Theory' 1994:


"it is infuriating to be quoted.." Why? He doesn't claim that he was misquoted. SJG would like to have everyone believe that there's no faction in the camp, and that everyone on his side believes the same thing. But there are irreconcilable differences between gradualism and punctuated equilibrium on genetic levels. From his paleontology approach, he would like to say that the arm of a frog and the wing of a bird are descendant (relying solely on homology), disregarding that the genes code from entirely different chromosomes.

1359 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:09:19pm

re: #580 zombie

Were you at the protest on Montgomery Street on Tuesday Night? I missed it. What was it like?

Sorry, I was gone last night by the time you posted this. Yes, I was there for that.

The biggest problem I saw was that the opposition took both sides of the street, and the cops, despite several requests, would not help the counterprotest establish a separate zone. So basically it was a couple of thousand screaming ANSWERniks, and about forty pro-Israeli people, and they were so thoroughly spread through our zone that it was hard to see our numbers. I thought it was poor police work--I saw a couple of near-fistfights, and I heard about more later.

More ANSWER signs than anything else. Lots of 'from the river to the sea' and 'Free free Palestine'. The big paper mache heads were there, but I didn't see them 'on'. Usual stuff. A couple of very hyped up guys in khaffiyehs, running around screaming and being very aggressive. Teenage girls pulling non-khaffiyeh fashion scarves over their faces, jhadi-style, and giggling. Hyped-up women bashing into me and then screaming 'back off, lady'. TONS of fun.

We waved flags and yelled "no more rockets, no more Hamas" for about an hour, and then the opposition formed up to march down Market. This led to a sort of gauntlet-type encounter where they streamed past us as we stood behind the police barricade. Lots of screaming and bird-flipping, no real problems. (Except that the lady next to me spotted a friend in the crowd, leading to a yelling match in Russian.)They said they had five thousand, I say no more than two.

I've usually been much more impressed with SFPD.

1360 LarryG  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:10:08pm

RE: "And human beings evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered."

Hmmm... This sounds to me more like 'religious faith' than anything else. Yet, who am I - nobody, certainly I'm not a scientist able to either prove or disprove much of anything.

1361 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 1:21:02pm

re: #1358 stretch

"it is infuriating to be quoted.." Why? He doesn't claim that he was misquoted.

Probably something to do with this:

Faced with these facts of evolution and the philosophical bankruptcy of their own position, creationists rely upon distortion and innuendo to buttress their rhetorical claim. If I sound sharp or bitter, indeed I am—for I have become a major target of these practices.

Practices that continue to this day.

1362 stretch  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:22:46pm

re: #1361 Charles

Practices that continue to this day.

yeah he sounds upset alright - quite a bit of rhetoric (philosophical-bankruptcy-distortion-innuendo-buttress-sharp-bitter "I have become a major target of these practices") for someone who knows that all the facts and truth are on his side.

1363 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 4:08:37pm

re: #1358 stretch

"it is infuriating to be quoted.." Why? He doesn't claim that he was misquoted.

He did:

“Punctuated equilibrium, catastrophic theories of mass extinction, hopeful monsters, and a variety of hypotheses about rapid rates of change in continuous sequences, not about unintelligible abrupt appearances, are part of scientific debate and bear no relationship to the nonscientific notion of abrupt appearance, despite pernicious and willful attempts by many creationists to distort such claims by MISQUOTE and halfquote to their alien purposes. Punctuated equilibrium, in particular, is a claim that evolutionary trends have a geometry that resembles a climb up a staircase rather than a slide up an inclined plane. It is, in other words, an alternate theory about the nature of intermediate stages in evolutionary trends not, as creationists have claimed, a denial of these stages. As a term, ‘creation science’ is an oxymoron, a self-contradictory and meaningless phrase, a whitewash for a specific, particular, and minority religious view in America—Biblical literalism.”

But there are irreconcilable differences between gradualism and punctuated equilibrium on genetic levels. From his paleontology approach, he would like to say that the arm of a frog and the wing of a bird are descendant (relying solely on homology)

What is your definition of homology?

1364 karmasherabwangchuk  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:35:06pm

the truth is neither bought nor sold.
although you bring up an interesting point of contention. how life began. we still don't have a very clear idea on this as it is lost in the murk of deeptime
re: #113 cincinnati_kid37

1365 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 5:56:23pm

re: #937 realwest

Thailand is the destination for pedophiles...

1366 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:04:06pm

re: #1360 LarryG

RE: "And human beings evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered."

Hmmm... This sounds to me more like 'religious faith' than anything else.

Have you not been paying attention to the previous threads on ID?

There is ample evidence that we are descended from apes.

1367 Shug  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:26:20pm

re: #481 MikeyHunt

I know I'm not evolved from primates ,.

I agree.

I see no distinction

1368 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 6:28:41pm

re: #1354 stretch

putting aside for a moment the debate on what constitues a transitional form (which the wiki link says to be a "misconception"), and how a true 'transitional' varies from a mosaic, such as a platypus

What is your definition of a transitional fossil and what do you mean when you say that a platypus is a mosaic?

I was pointing out how SJG's fav approach with punctuated equilibrium constrasts to gradualism (the mechanism of evolution proposed by Darwin). To me, its a joke to say that evolution is a scientifically proven fact, but that the mechanism for how one species can change into another species is still debatable/theory.

We know that evolution is a fact because we don't see Dinosaurs in our back yards, we know when they appeared earth's history and when they disappeared.

the mechanism for how one species can change into another species is still debatable/theory. There is no other area of science where this kind of nonsense would be given the time of day.

Is a photon a wave or a particle?

And all scientific theories are debatable. That is one of the strengths of science.

1369 Mr Secul  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:00:19pm

re: #1368 Mr Secul

What is your definition of a transitional fossil and what do you mean when you say that a platypus is a mosaic?

Is this the source?

I'd still like to know what you meant when you said that the platypus was a mosaic.

1370 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:40:58pm

re: #1362 stretch

yeah he sounds upset alright - quite a bit of rhetoric (philosophical-bankruptcy-distortion-innuendo-butt ress-sharp-bitter "I have become a major target of these practices") for someone who knows that all the facts and truth are on his side.

People are quite naturally upset when others cynically and gratuitously try to twist their words in order to make it appear as though they embrace a position which they in fact abhor. This has happened repeatedly in LGF threads, not only with respect to Gould and Darwin, but also with Einstein, when monotheists strove to claim him as one of their own on the basis of his statement that "God does not play dice with the Universe", even though it was merely a poetically phrased defence of determinism (a dispute with Feynmann whihc Einstein lost, btw).

Here's what Einstein himself had to say about such pernicious attempts at mischaracterizing his position:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

1371 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:41:33pm

re: #904 realwest

this is what was going on

[Link: www.canada.com...]

1372 winston06  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:42:11pm

it was probably an arsonist

1373 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:11pm

re: #1360 LarryG

RE: "And human beings evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered."

Hmmm... This sounds to me more like 'religious faith' than anything else. Yet, who am I - nobody, certainly I'm not a scientist able to either prove or disprove much of anything.

Artifactual retroviral DNA conclusively demonstrates that humans and great apes evolutionarily diverged from common ancestors:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

1374 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:31pm

re: #1358 stretch

"it is infuriating to be quoted.." Why? He doesn't claim that he was misquoted. SJG would like to have everyone believe that there's no faction in the camp, and that everyone on his side believes the same thing. But there are irreconcilable differences between gradualism and punctuated equilibrium on genetic levels. From his paleontology approach, he would like to say that the arm of a frog and the wing of a bird are descendant (relying solely on homology), disregarding that the genes code from entirely different chromosomes.

Gradualism and punctuated equilibrium are not mutually exclusive either/ors. Rather, they are poles on a continuum. And they are both examples of evolution.

Different genes affect different physical characteristics to different degrees. In some cases, changes in many related codons gradually accumulate a summation of minor anatomical differences, as with the gradual honing of hand-eye coordination and the simultaneous gradual increase in hominid brain volume sustaining such changes; in others, a single mutation can result in profound configurational changes, as when a metamutation allowed the highly elaborated hand-eye coordination system to also be employed by the mouth-ear nexus, permitting the parsing and production of speech.

I note that you most probably obtained your homology argument from the creationist propaganda site maintained by the Turkish Islamocreationist organization Harun Yahya, led by Adnan Oktar:

[Link: www.harunyahya.com...]

And his contention, like most of his contentions, is false; the genetic expressions for forearms and wings are grounded in genes that are now obviously different (since their expression results in similar yet nonidentical structures), but which also differentially evolved from common base genes:

Developmental Basis of Limb Evolution
J. RICHARD HINCHLIFFE
University of Wales, Aberystwyth, UK

[Link: www.ijdb.ehu.es...]

I would hazard to wager that this 2002 peer-reviewed paper published by the International Journal of Developmental Biology is a bit more contemporary, current and credible than the 1971 paper that Oktar cites. After all, now such things can be verified via genome sequencing, which was not available in 1971.

1375 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:19:43pm

re: #1350 J.S.

What? What? What? Pinker? pfft, please. Do you understand what was being debated? (from your comment above, I don't think so...but, this whole debate about Gould vs many others, imo, falls outside of the "blog" world and is far too complex/complicated to be addressed in this sort of forum-- so I won't argue it here). On a different topic, was the text you were trying to remember "Animal Evolution: Interrelationships of the Living Phyla" by Claus Nielsen?

Steven Pinker was born in 1954 in the English-speaking Jewish community of Montreal, Canada. He earned a bachelor's degree in experimental psychology at McGill University and then moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1976, where he has spent most of his career bouncing back and forth between Harvard and MIT. He earned his doctorate at Harvard in 1979, followed by a postdoctoral fellowship at MIT, a one-year stint as an assistant professor at Harvard, and in 1982, a move back to MIT that lasted until 2003, when he returned to Harvard. Currently he is Harvard College Professor and the Johnstone Family Professor in the Department of Psychology. He also has spent two years in California: in 1981–82, when he was an assistant professor at Stanford, and in 1995–96,when he spent a sabbatical year at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

In 1994 he published the first of five books written for a general audience. The Language Instinct was an introduction to all aspects of language, held together by the idea that language is a biological adaptation. This was followed in 1997 by How the Mind Works, which offered a similar synthesis of the rest of the mind, from vision and reasoning to the emotions, humor, and art. In 1999he published Words and Rules: The Ingredients of Language, which presented his research on regular and irregular verbs as a way of explaining how language works in general. And in 2002 he published The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature, which explored the political, moral, and emotional colorings of the concept of human nature. His latest book The Stuff of Thought: Language as a Window into Human Nature was published in hardcover in 2007 and paperback in 2008. Pinker frequently writes for The New York Times, Time, The New Republic, and other magazines on subjects such as language and politics, the neural basis of consciousness, and the genetic enhancement of human beings.

Pinker is the Chair of the Usage Panel of The American Heritage Dictionary and has served as editor or advisor for numerous scientific, scholarly, media, and humanist organizations, including the American Association the Advancement of Science, the National Science Foundation, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the American Psychological Association, and the Linguistics Society of America. He has won many prizes for his books (including the William James Book Prize three times, the Los Angeles Times Science Book Prize, and the Eleanor Maccoby Book Prize), his research (including the Troland Research Prize from the National Academy of Sciences, the Early Career Award from the American Psychological Association, and the Henry Dale Prize from the Royal Institution of Great Britain), and his graduate and undergraduate teaching. He is also a Humanist Laureate, the 2006 Humanist of the Year, recipient of the 2008 Innovations for Humanity Award from La Ciudad de las Ideas in Mexico, the 2008 Honorary President of the Canadian Psychological Association, and the recipient of six honorary doctorates.

1376 alteredbeat  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:57:37pm

the way I look at it Charles, it's more like "Creating Into 2009." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

1377 J.S.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:34:51am

re: #1375 Salamantis

You are not telling me anything I'm not already aware of.

1378 J.S.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:04:11am

I am not a "fan" of evolutionary psychology nor of sociobiology ("sociobiology" is a term coined by E.O. Wilson). Stephen Jay Gould repeatedly warned biologists of the pit-falls of applying biological concepts (such as "adaptation") willy-nilly to human behavior. Gould warned of the "just-so" stories (that is, the human capacity to 'invent" stories (seemingly providing "explanations"), but, in reality, when examined more closely, one discovers the lack of evidence to support said "theory.") A prime example of this by the way is in the text, "The Natural History of Rape." This text received scathing reviews from Nature...Here's Kenan Malik's review... (this is when MIT does bad "science.")

1379 sfcmac  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:43:43am

I'm not sure what the New Year has to do with debating the theory of evolution as opposed to creationsm, but I think it's a good bet that our (ape-like?) ancestors never dwelt on their origins.

Anyway, Happy New Year, fellow lizzards.

1380 Salamantis  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:46:59am

re: #1377 J.S.

You are not telling me anything I'm not already aware of.

And were you aware of this?

Pinker is an experimental psychologist who is interested in all aspects of language and mind. Much of his initial research was in visual cognition, the ability to imagine shapes, recognize faces and objects, and direct attention within the visual field. But beginning in graduate school he cultivated an interest in language, particularly language development in children, and this topic eventually took over his research activities. Aside from his experimental papers in language and visual cognition, he wrote two fairly technical books early in his career. One outlined a theory of how children acquire the words and grammatical structures of their mother tongue. The second focused on one aspect of this process, the ability to use different kinds of verbs in appropriate sentences, such as intransitive verbs, transitive verbs, and verbs taking different combinations of complements and indirect objects. For the next two decades his research focused on the distinction between irregular verbs like bring-brought and regular verbs like walk-walked. The reason is that the two kinds of verbs neatly embody the two processes that make language possible: looking up words in memory, and combining words (or parts of words) according to rules. He has also studied language development in twins and the neuroimaging of language processes in the brain, and has recently begun lines of research on the nature of reminding and on the function of innuendo and other forms of indirect speech.

Sal: Not 'just so' stories. Experimental, empirical science.

1381 Spar Kling  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:51:40pm

re: #1220 big steve

Snip . . .


So as a theory, I propose that the original owner planted them as
seedlings, when they moved in or within the first year and in fact, the
local school district is fond of giving grade school children loblolly
pine seedlings to take home. Most likely they were planted with no
thought of what would happen when they grew.

Now one could hire an army of PhD's and pay them for a year to
research tree rings or my house deed but it is incredibly long odds
that they would find anything but a match. One could argue fine points
of my theory such as these were not from the school or they grew wild
in an exact triangle pattern with the exact same type of tree but I
still would bet the farm on my original theory. If someone could come
up with a better fit for the facts, I would be all ears. This is what
Gould is saying about evolution of humans and evolution overall.

Great story! Your analogy actually works as an argument for Intelligent Design. Let me show you why.

Evolutionists would argue that the age and location of the trees was a combination of chance and natural selection. The presumed other seeds that germinated closer together died off years ago, and your noticing that the trees are in a triangle is simply a human tendency to notice patterns while ignoring randomness.

PhDs would publish papers in peer-reviewed journals demonstrating that the trees are not exactly in an equilateral pattern as previously thought and that scalene triangles are by far the most likely arrangement of any three trees, thus proving that no intelligence needs to have been involved. Additional papers on the Natural Interactions of Sciurus niger with the Dissemination of Seeds of Pinus taeda and Global Warming would be published. Grant money would be awarded for further research.

Thus, the natural origin of the location of your loblolly pines would be established as a scientific fact that only nutcases and creationists would consider challenging.

-sk


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