Death from the Skies

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Science • Thu Jan 1, 2009 at 7:37 pm PST • Views: 279

An interesting New York Times science article on new discoveries about a possible catastrophic meteor strike about 13,000 years ago: New Evidence of Meteor Bombardment.

At least once in Earth’s history, global warming ended quickly, and scientists have long wondered why.

Now researchers are reporting that the abrupt cooling — which took place about 12,900 years ago, just as the planet was emerging from an ice age — may have been caused by one or more meteors that slammed into North America.

That could explain the extinction of mammoths, saber-tooth tigers and maybe even the first human inhabitants of the Americas, the scientists report in Friday’s issue of the journal Science.

The hypothesis has been regarded skeptically, but its advocates now report perhaps more convincing residue of impact: a thin layer of microscopic diamonds found in rocks across America and in Europe.

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1 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:37:48pm

Oh, those sneaky juice!

2 notutopia  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:39:11pm

Time to start digging the bunkers!

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:39:43pm

Microscopic diamonds- beautiful, but deadly.

4 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:40:30pm

sounds like a very intelligent designm to end global warming...

/white smoke

5 jcm  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:40:45pm

OMGWEAREALLGOINGTODIERUNFORYOURLIVES!

6 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:41:01pm

I thought for sure this thread was about the Israeli air force. But, everyone knows that the Zionist controls the meteors.

7 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:41:33pm

If I recall correctly another train of scientific thought on the that period is that a massive volcanic explosion in the western US region was the actual cause for mass extinction/mini-cooling period etc.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:42:17pm

Diamonds from Heaven

9 Outrider  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:42:59pm

Awww And I was sure this was going to be an Airborne thread. ;-)>

10 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:35pm
At each site the scientists looked at, the diamond layer in the rocks correlates to the date of the hypothesized impact. Within the layer, the scientists report finding a multitude of diamond particles, all encased within carbon spheres. “We’ve yet to find a single diamond above it,” Dr. West said. “We’ve yet to find a single diamond below it.”

Wow- that's really cool.

11 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:47pm

Death from above?

I want to be an Airborne Ranger
I want to jump from tall airplanes

Jody Thread!

12 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:43:58pm

how is it the climate was warming without modern technology to create all the 'greenhouse gases'?

13 Salem  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:12pm

So what's Al Gore doing to protect us from space-rocks?

14 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:30pm

re: #6 Alouette

I thought for sure this thread was about the Israeli air force. But, everyone knows that the Zionist controls the meteors.

That's what I thought, too. I don't know if it says something about myself or the New York Times.

But really, meteor strikes? Anyone care to place bets where ground zero was?

15 Outrider  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:37pm

re: #12 redc1c4

how is it the climate was warming without modern technology to create all the 'greenhouse gases'?

bovine flatulence

16 jones  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:38pm

re: #12 redc1c4

how is it the climate was warming without modern technology to create all the 'greenhouse gases'?

Men building fires- I kid you not.

17 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:58pm

re: #11 lifeofthemind

Death from above?

I want to be an Airborne Ranger
I want to jump from tall airplanes

Jody Thread!

i wannabe a Chairborne Ranger,
filling out forms for the young and old...

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:44:59pm

Honestly? I don't care. Stand me at ground zero with a chocolate cake (very moist please). I'll give the meteor a chocolaty toothy smile as it approaches.

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:23pm

It wasn't meteors. It was:

Ghost Riders in the Sky

20 jones  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:34pm

re: #13 Salem

So what's Al Gore doing to protect us from space-rocks?

Watching "Starship Troopers" to get pointers.

21 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:44pm

re: #9 Outrider

Awww And I was sure this was going to be an Airborne thread. ;-)>

beautiful streamer, please open for me.
blue sky above and no canopy...

22 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:45:56pm

Meteors?

Rats!

I thought we were gonna make fun of chemtrails...

23 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:46:00pm

Are we currently experiencing microscopic diamonds? Because it's colder than a witches you-know-what out there.

24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:46:14pm

re: #20 jones

"You wanna live forever?"

(and Conan)

25 Outrider  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:46:15pm

re: #17 redc1c4

i wannabe a Chairborne Ranger,
filling out forms for the young and old...

Chairborne Stranger? or if he works for the agricultural station? Chairborne Granger?

26 Bubbaman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:46:23pm

Could we drop a small meteor on Gaza and a larger one on Iran? No, I'm not kidding.

27 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:46:26pm

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly? I don't care. Stand me at ground zero with a chocolate cake (very moist please). I'll give the meteor a chocolaty toothy smile as it approaches.

Seconded please! That would be one heck of a way to go--watching a meteor make landfall!
Maybe they'd name the crater after you.

28 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:00pm

re: #6 Alouette

I thought for sure this thread was about the Israeli air force. But, everyone knows that the Zionist controls the meteors.

No, they control the diamond trade.

The hypothesis has been regarded skeptically, but its advocates now report perhaps more convincing residue of impact: a thin layer of microscopic diamonds found in rocks across America and in Europe.

29 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:12pm

Microscopic diamonds = Zionist plot

30 marwan's daughter  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:36pm
31 Catttt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:47:43pm

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Diamonds from Heaven


[Video]

Diamonds from Heaven, slammed into you at a gazillion mph.

32 Outrider  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:48:15pm

re: #21 redc1c4

beautiful streamer, please open for me.
blue sky above and no canopy...

that would ruin the moment. ;-)>

33 jcm  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:48:58pm

re: #22 CIA Reject

Meteors?

Rats!

I thought we were gonna make fun of chemtrails...

Hey, don't make fun of Chemtrails! I work very hard on the planning and execution of Chemtrials for the Northwestern Division, CTW-186! It's good work, and helps everyone!

34 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:49:07pm

a yellow bird
with a yellow bill
was sitting on
my window sill

i lured him in
with a piece of bread
and then i smashed
his f**king head!

/harmony church hymns

35 Palandine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:49:13pm

Well, in 1816 the eruption of Mt. Tambora caused the Year Without a Summer. Massive climate change, caused by one volcano. As soon as I learned about that one, I stopped worrying too much about man-made global warming. The planet is capable of far greater changes than we tiny critters could ever cause.

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:49:17pm

This may sound odd...I love my wife/kids/family/lizards/dog. But everybody being wiped out doesn't bother me nearly as much some of us going.

37 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:49:40pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

Microscopic diamonds = Zionist plot

but a very small one...

38 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:22pm

re: #14 davinvalkri

That's what I thought, too. I don't know if it says something about myself or the New York Times.

But really, meteor strikes? Anyone care to place bets where ground zero was?

Tunguska, Siberia?

39 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:33pm

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Diamonds from Heaven


[Video]

Geese - I kept waiting for the Godzilla Meets Bambi moment.
/

40 jaunte  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:47pm

re: #35 Palandine

Mt. Tambora's eruption led to Frankenstein:
[Link: www.kimwoodbridge.com...]

41 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:50:56pm

re: #37 redc1c4

There's a rumor Stinky had one of your fruitcups last night.

42 Bubbaman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:11pm

Did anyone see that video of the anti-Semitic/anti-Israel protests in Ft. Lauderdale? Some really sick and serious stuff. I urge everyone to email this link to their lawmakers.

43 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:19pm

Earth suffered at that time from a hemorrhage of asteroids. Astronomers call them "hemorrhoids".

44 notutopia  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:34pm

Here's the supporting material for this article
Very Kewl Maps showing nanodiamond distribution in
North America

[Link: www.sciencemag.org...]

45 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:36pm

re: #32 Outrider

that would ruin the moment. ;-)>

one of the many reasons i'm glad i'm a 'leg'

46 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:51:55pm

My Father taught me a clean Jody when I was a boy, and he lead a squad through North Africa and Italy in WW-II.

Left my wife and 48 kids
starving together without any bread
because I thought I was right
right by golly by jesus by gum
because I thought I was right
right left right

repeats

47 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:52:09pm

OT: From the "If this hasn't been mentioned already file", the IDF has their own blog now [Link: idfspokesperson.com...] The content is fine, but the layout leaves something to be desired. Perhaps someone could help them?

48 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:52:46pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

There's a rumor Stinky had one of your fruitcups last night.

that's likely the problem: you can't have just one...

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:06pm

The movie "Deep Impact" (yeah, it was crappy) but, anyway...asteroid about to hit, man and daughter go to the beach, look toward the water, wait on the wave.

What a way to go.

50 PSGInfinity  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:29pm

re: #37 redc1c4

but a very small one...

Ahhh, but very very widespread. Sneaky Diamond People!
:)
/Must I?

51 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:53:55pm

re: #42 Bubbaman

Did anyone see that video of the anti-Semitic/anti-Israel protests in Ft. Lauderdale? Some really sick and serious stuff. I urge everyone to email this link to their lawmakers.

Why don't those pukes move to Gaza?

52 kestrel  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:05pm

Velikovsky was right after all.

53 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:13pm

re: #46 lifeofthemind

My Father taught me a clean Jody when I was a boy, and he lead a squad through North Africa and Italy in WW-II.

Left my wife and 48 kids
starving together without any bread
because I thought I was right
right by golly by jesus by gum
because I thought I was right
right left right

repeats

a "clean jody"?... what fun are they?

/horrified

54 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:17pm

re: #33 jcm

Hey, don't make fun of Chemtrails! I work very hard on the planning and execution of Chemtrials for the Northwestern Division, CTW-186! It's good work, and helps everyone!

Heh...

55 Mich-again  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:54:50pm

Earth's ecosystem has enough natural correction factors to help control the climate. But they can't deal with big transients like meteors.

And it kind of shows how the phrase "survival of the fittest" can be misleading. Luck helps too.

56 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:55:03pm

re: #31 Cattt

Diamonds from Heaven, slammed into you at a gazillion mph.

Well, that'll sure stop all those cows from farting. :D :D :D ;D

57 Kragar  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:55:13pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The movie "Deep Impact" (yeah, it was crappy) but, anyway...asteroid about to hit, man and daughter go to the beach, look toward the water, wait on the wave.

What a way to go.

And then Frodo out runs it on a dirt bike

58 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:55:19pm

In related news Roseanne Barr slips and rolls down the mountain at Vail, new supercomputers are on order to calculate the climactic effect.

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:55:55pm

re: #57 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

hahahahaha! Really? That was Frodo?

60 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:56:12pm

re: #58 lifeofthemind

In related news Roseanne Barr slips and rolls down the mountain at Vail, new supercomputers are on order to calculate the climactic effect.

Why wasn't she with her good buddy Cynthina McKinney?

61 ConservativeAtheist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:56:15pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The movie "Deep Impact" (yeah, it was crappy) but, anyway...asteroid about to hit, man and daughter go to the beach, look toward the water, wait on the wave.

What a way to go.

I kind of liked "Deep Impact." It beat the hell out of the stupid Bruce Willis movie "Armageddon" which came out the same year.

62 Desert Dog  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:56:40pm

We can't eat all we want, drive big SUV's, keep our houses at 70 all the time and not expect some meteor to come crashing down on us and wipe out the entire planet to punish us for harming Mother Gaia, can we?

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:56:56pm

re: #61 ConservativeAtheist

They could have been spliced together. But, Red made a very good pretend President.

64 Macker  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:57:28pm

re: #53 redc1c4

a "clean jody"?... what fun are they?

/horrified

Napalm sticks to kids:

65 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:57:33pm

re: #60 MandyManners

Why wasn't she with her good buddy Cynthina McKinney?

The only had a 65' boat.

66 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:57:37pm

re: #42 Bubbaman

That's some seriously creepy stuff. Thanks for passing it on!

67 Kragar  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:57:47pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hahahahaha! Really? That was Frodo?

Yup

68 swamprat  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:57:48pm

re: #52 kestrel

Velikovsky was right after all.

Any relation to the user, kestrel3000?

69 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:57:53pm

re: #62 Desert Dog

We can't eat all we want, drive big SUV's, keep our houses at 70 all the time and not expect some meteor to come crashing down on us and wipe out the entire planet to punish us for harming Mother Gaia, can we?

No, only Al Gore can do that. The rest of us will have to conserve.

/Right.

70 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:58:39pm

re: #9 Outrider

Awww And I was sure this was going to be an Airborne thread. ;-)>

/same but very different

71 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:58:57pm

re: #58 lifeofthemind

In related news Roseanne Barr slips and rolls down the mountain at Vail, new supercomputers are on order to calculate the climactic effect.

What about Michael Moore? Wouldn't he make a bigger impact? Why do the leftist women seem to get all the weight jokes? Not picking on you personally, lifeofthemind, just noticing that's just the way it is.

72 Desert Dog  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:59:00pm

re: #61 ConservativeAtheist

I kind of liked "Deep Impact." It beat the hell out of the stupid Bruce Willis movie "Armageddon" which came out the same year.

I prefer more "realistic" sci-fi:

73 Palandine  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:59:26pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The movie "Deep Impact" (yeah, it was crappy) but, anyway...asteroid about to hit, man and daughter go to the beach, look toward the water, wait on the wave.

What a way to go.

I find that sort of thing troubling. I'm preparedness minded, and ready for recession, zombies (bad zombies, not SF Zombie), etc. Then stuff like this swarm of earthquakes happens at Yellowstone. That's completely unsurvivable. If Yellowstone goes, even folks like me in the 'Lou, 1500 miles away, are going to die from the effects, and there's nothing to be done about it.

Oh well, there's nothing to be done about it... ;)

74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 7:59:31pm

re: #67 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I've always thought Tea Leoni was cute.

BTW...I knew Tai Collins.

75 Boy Hits Car  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:00:18pm

Charles,

Think I found a bug. I was not logged in and was reading the comments. The - + were grayed out. When I hit the "new comments" button the new comments had the - + in color (rollovers did nothing btw), all previous comments were grayed out. Reloaded the page and the - + on both the old and new comments were grayed out.

76 Kestrel  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:00:20pm

swamprat: nope

77 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:00:49pm

Oooo... lookee... The registration door is open! :D :D :D

We're gonna be getting some new trolls to munch! Muahahahahaha!

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:00:55pm

re: #73 Palandine

Exactly. That's precisely why I don't give a shit. C'mon Vogons!

79 Archimedes  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:01:37pm

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Diamonds from Heaven

Harping on diamonds, I see.

80 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:02:36pm

re: #71 Silvergirl

What about Michael Moore? Wouldn't he make a bigger impact? Why do the leftist women seem to get all the weight jokes? Not picking on you personally, lifeofthemind, just noticing that's just the way it is.

I'd say are right but the best answer is that there is nothing funny about Michael Moore.

81 ConservativeAtheist  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:03:05pm
I prefer more "realistic" sci-fi:

Heh. Sort of along the lines of "Mars Attacks."

82 spirochete  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:03:25pm

Going to the site the IDF have set up, I see the second video down is a group of terrorists shooting mortars from the UNRWA "Beit Hanoun boys school". Why is the UNRWA agency running a school, how can terrorists shoot mortars from there and why is Karen Abu Zayd not commenting on these incidents?

This whole UNRWA thing is starting to smell very funny. Ideological preference is one thing, but harboring terrorists...come on.

83 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:04:03pm

re: #42 Bubbaman

Did anyone see that video of the anti-Semitic/anti-Israel protests in Ft. Lauderdale? Some really sick and serious stuff. I urge everyone to email this link to their lawmakers.

Good grief. Have you seen the comments on that one? It's attracted anti-Semites like moths to a flame.

84 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:06:49pm

re: #42 Bubbaman

Did anyone see that video of the anti-Semitic/anti-Israel protests in Ft. Lauderdale? Some really sick and serious stuff. I urge everyone to email this link to their lawmakers.

"Nuke nuke Israel.
Nuke nuke Israel.
There is no Israel."

Alrighty then.

85 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:08:26pm

re: #53 redc1c4

a "clean jody"?... what fun are they?

/horrified

It was good enough for my Father, care to argue the point?

86 alibey  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:08:38pm

Hey Hey Captain Jack
Meet me down by the railroad track
With that bottle in your hand
Your gonna be a drinking man
Up on your left
Up on your left your right.
Hey Hey Captain Jack
Meet me down by the railroad track
With that rifle in your hand
Your gonna be a shooting man
a drinking man
Up on your left
Up on your left your right.

add to and repeat. The hard part is remembering the thing you called and the order they are in.

87 jcm  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:10:01pm

re: #54 CIA Reject

Heh...

You laugh, Bill's my boss...
;-)

88 Mich-again  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:10:17pm

Al Gore's alarmism has given us the the Cult of Snuggie.

89 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:13:51pm

re: #85 lifeofthemind

It was good enough for my Father, care to argue the point?

sure!

/white smoke

90 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:21:26pm

The earth started with a very long period as completely hostile, uninhabitable by any form of life, and will thus end, scorched to a cinder.

We occupy an impossibly brief window of time where conditions are suitable for our lives, in between those two very long events.

Which leads me to conclude that we mere humans are not in charge.

That inalterable fact is the toughest thing to accept. Or the easiest, depending.

91 PuritanicalRightWingNutjob  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:21:48pm

re: #6 Alouette

They're not called Aster-Oy!-ds for nothin'

92 shanec99  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:21:54pm

re: #26 Bubbaman

Could we drop a small meteor on Gaza and a larger one on Iran? No, I'm not kidding.

No, please don't, a certain group of people would say they were a sign from heaven. They would put a Mosque around it and call the land holy ground. Then they would say it came from the people who were carrying out the devine's wishes to destroy the great satan.

93 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:24:35pm

re: #88 Mich-again

Not a single comment there, gee I wonder why?

94 beermeister  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:25:48pm

How dare the earth cool or warm without Al Gore's say so. How dare the sun, oceans, volcanoes and even cows get in the way of Gore's true believer agenda.

95 shanec99  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:28:31pm

Hamas leader and his four wives killed during Israeli air attack, there were secondary explosions from his house as a result of stored weapons detonating. This so called leader had previously sent his own son on a suicide mission.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Why do people do this kind of thing?

96 shanec99  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:29:45pm

re: #86 alibey

Hey Hey Captain Jack
Meet me down by the railroad track
With that bottle in your hand
Your gonna be a drinking man
Up on your left
Up on your left your right.
Hey Hey Captain Jack
Meet me down by the railroad track
With that rifle in your hand
Your gonna be a shooting man
a drinking man
Up on your left
Up on your left your right.

add to and repeat. The hard part is remembering the thing you called and the order they are in.

Did you just finish boot camp? I have not heard that song in more than 20 years.

97 Salamantis  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:38:31pm

re: #86 alibey

Hey Hey Captain Jack
Meet me down by the railroad track
With that bottle in your hand
Your gonna be a drinking man
Up on your left
Up on your left your right.
Hey Hey Captain Jack
Meet me down by the railroad track
With that rifle in your hand
Your gonna be a shooting man
a drinking man
Up on your left
Up on your left your right.

add to and repeat. The hard part is remembering the thing you called and the order they are in.

I prefer the Billy Joel version:

I even liked this song more than the title song, Piano Man. I don't think that Billy Joel ever equalled that first album.

98 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:38:57pm

Freaky

99 alibey  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:43:54pm

re: #96 shanec99

Did you just finish boot camp? I have not heard that song in more than 20 years.

I went through boot in 84. I retired in November 05 after 21 years. it was one of my faves when I was in.

100 CharlieBravo  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 8:53:23pm

"may have been caused by" "The hypothesis has been" Always reminds me of the definition of history = something written by somebody who wasn't there about something that didn't happen. Helps keep the PhD folks off the streets anyway...

101 Boxy_brown  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:19:53pm

re: #95 shanec99

Why do people do this kind of thing?


Because, in the case of Nizar Rayan they are dirty savages who have fully embraced the worst aspects of human nature and have used the words of a long dead pedophile, slave owner, rapist and murderer as an excuse for their atrocities.

Once upon a time someone said: "any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind." Nope, getting rid of the likes of Nizar Rayan is a service done to the human race by by whomever dropped that 2k.

102 Clarke County  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:26:37pm

In re number 46 from lifeofthemind: I heard a different version of the rhyme from my grandfather who got it from his grandfather who was in Confederate service. It went like this:
I left my wife alone in the kitchen with thirteen children in starving condition and no corn meal left,
Left, left right left, etc.

Different war, same tune. It may go farther back than that but I have no evidence.

That particular great,great grandfather had six grown sons who went to war. Three were in Tennessee service and three in federal service. The bit about starving was fairly accurate from what I understand.

103 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:42:49pm

Following the link Charles provided, the NYT website wanted me to register. Being naturally somewhat cynical about the Times, I don't want to do that. So I found another link to the NYT article through Google and am currently reading it.

Teh weirod.

104 blangwort  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 9:46:03pm

re: #42 Bubbaman

Did anyone see that video of the anti-Semitic/anti-Israel protests in Ft. Lauderdale? Some really sick and serious stuff. I urge everyone to email this link to their lawmakers.

Nuke Israel? These idiots have no idea what a nuke would do. What's the use of having a religious site if it looks like a great big hole in the ground? What's the use of having the land, when it is so radioactive that you couldn't live there for thousands of years?

This is blind hate. Not only is it blind, it is ignorant and stupid too.

They've just demonstrated to the world what they are. Let's give them a country. Oh, wait...

105 Sigfried  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 10:28:43pm

re: #46 lifeofthemind

SF writer Henry Kuttner wrote a short story about a man who devised an "earworm" song that in its German original got so stuck in the mind that it made the Nazi brass unable to think straight, ending the war months earlier than it otherwise would have. The English translation was
"Left
Left
Left a wife and seventeen children in starving condition
With nothing but gingerbread left!
Left
Left
Left a wife and seventeen children...
(repeat ad infinitum)
Wish I could remember the name of the story-he wrote it during the war. It's in a collection "The Best Short Stories of Henry Kuttner". Very funny scenes of Germans trying to plan counterattacks but their conversation keeps going back to the song. "Why would he leave them with gingerbread? If they have gingerbread why are they starving?"

106 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 10:38:10pm

Paratrooper & the Child

As a crowded airliner is about to take off, the peace is shattered by a 5-year-old boy who picks that moment to throw a wild temper tantrum. No matter what his frustrated, embarrassed mother does to try to calm him down, the boy continues to scream furiously and kick the seats around him.

Suddenly, from the rear of the plane, an elderly man in the uniform of a U.S. Army Paratrooper is seen slowly walking forward up the aisle. Stopping the flustered mother with an upraised hand, the rugged looking, courtly, soft-spoken soldier leans down and, motioning toward his chest, whispers something into the boy's ear.

Instantly, the boy calms down, gently takes his mother's hand, and quietly fastens his seat belt. All the other passengers burst into spontaneous applause.

As the Paratrooper slowly makes his way back to his seat, one of the cabin attendants touches his sleeve. "Excuse me, Sergeant," she asks quietly, "but could I ask you what magic words you used on that little boy?"

The Paratrooper smiles serenely and gently confides, "I showed him my master jump wings, service ribbons, and explained that they entitle me to throw one passenger out the plane door on any flight I choose."

107 Spar Kling  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:00:13pm

re: #55 Mich-again

Earth's ecosystem has enough natural correction factors to help control the climate. But they can't deal with big transients like meteors.

And it kind of shows how the phrase "survival of the fittest" can be misleading. Luck helps too.

I've read that the consensus among evolutionists is that natural selection provides about a 3-5% advantage. The rest is luck. But "survival of the luckiest" sounds alarmingly like a tautology, so the expression is not used.

Your point is well taken, and might have seen this already: [Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

But the difference between catastrophism and uniformitarianism is a matter of scale--perhaps it's high time that life on Earth started over again.

-sk

108 arcatan  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:09:15pm

I've been telling my Liberal friends that nuclear winter might just be the solution they're looking for.

109 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:14:43am
110 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:17:36am
111 OtherBrotherDarrell  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:26:51am

Just ask any Journalist, The last Ice Age was caused by George Bush and his Electric Time Machine. Oh yeah, and the Juice.

112 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:09:40am

I think we are due.

113 NelsFree  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:21:10am

Gee, no one has yet said...

Microscopic diamonds are a petite girl's best friend.

Why is that?

114 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:23:49am

I'm waiting for a asteroid to smash into this man.

115 coloradoeagle  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:50:32am

If you remember when "Deep Impact" came out a few years ago the discovery channel had some really good shows on about meteors and comets. They interviewed the Shoemakers who have found hundreds of impact sites and of course, shoemaker-levy 9 is named after Dr. Shoemaker. If you saw a map of all known impacts on earth it isn't much different than the moon. They also said that the "Dark Ages" could be a similar type event of climate change caused by a meteor but the global warming charge is just global warming true believers trying to link to their pet subject. The older I get the more I realize how much we don't know and there's a lot more involved then we first thought. Somewhere else on the links you find that the solar wind is the lowest ever recorded and that sunspots are at a century low minimum but the global warming true believers don't seem to think that the sun has much impact on climate, just man.

116 MacGregor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:20:47am

Jeez, we're prolly have to evolve more after one of those to adapt to the new environment. Dern pain in the ass.

At least we'll be saved from global warming!

117 strangelove  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:21:12am

Too bad Kirok wasn't there to turn on the meteor deflector machine.

I hope Shatner remembers his lines when we need him this time.

118 Zimriel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:30:07am

re: #71 Silvergirl

What about Michael Moore? Wouldn't he make a bigger impact? Why do the leftist women seem to get all the weight jokes? Not picking on you personally, lifeofthemind, just noticing that's just the way it is.

Don't you worry, Moore gets his share of the weight joke pie. c.f. Team America and (more to the point) American Carol (because it had an O'Donnell parody which passed up that opportunity).

Mmm, pie.

119 Zimriel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:33:44am

re: #115 coloradoeagle

If you remember when "Deep Impact" came out a few years ago the discovery channel had some really good shows on about meteors and comets. They interviewed the Shoemakers who have found hundreds of impact sites and of course, shoemaker-levy 9 is named after Dr. Shoemaker. If you saw a map of all known impacts on earth it isn't much different than the moon. They also said that the "Dark Ages" could be a similar type event of climate change caused by a meteor but the global warming charge is just global warming true believers trying to link to their pet subject. The older I get the more I realize how much we don't know and there's a lot more involved then we first thought. Somewhere else on the links you find that the solar wind is the lowest ever recorded and that sunspots are at a century low minimum but the global warming true believers don't seem to think that the sun has much impact on climate, just man.

By "Dark Ages" we mean 535 - 750 AD: Justinian's Plague, Avars, Arabs, Merovingians, and the collapse of Teotihuacan. A miserable time was had by all. David Keys blamed Krakatoa but there is a contrary theory by Baillie that a meteor did it.

120 Zimriel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:56:26am

re, the diamonds - are we dealing here with a carbonaceous chondrite? I was reading about meteorites last night. (If I can't sleep, a dense work of astronomical physics often helps.)

The trajectories of observed meteors which leave a trace on the ground typically point from the asteroid belt. Meteors that burn up are more likely comet dust, from the Oort cloud beyond Eris.

Iron meteorites are the residue of asteroids which had (like Vesta) differentiated into an iron core and a rock mantle; but were more destroyed than is Vesta, so that the core bits are now orbiting separately. Achondrites are the differentiated rocks from the rest of the asteroid, like the aforementioned Vestan mantle; rocks from the surfaces of Mars and the Moon may qualify.

Chondrites are nondifferentiated, independent rocks which were formed when the planets formed. But there was some kind of solar flare which subsequently burnt all the volatiles (including carbon) off the closer asteroids. A carbonaceous chondrite, then, orbits more closely to Jupiter than to Mars. Since they also have water it's thought that a bombardment of these gave us our ocean. The latter, further, unburnt sort are less common on Earth than the burnt sort.

Since we're being pointed both to diamond carbon and to iridium metal, I'm wondering about carbonaceous chondrites...

121 Guy_Philly  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:07:52am

How 'bout we make this another evolution/creationist thread and just say the microscopic diamonds prove man evolved from mammoths?

122 anotherindyfilmguy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:10:52am

re: #121 Guy_Philly

How 'bout we make this another evolution/creationist thread and just say the microscopic diamonds prove man evolved from mammoths?

Would that make this the "wild and woolly" thread?

123 Guy_Philly  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:16:14am

re: #122 anotherindyfilmguy

Would that make this the "wild and woolly" thread?

hahaha...

It's a very cutting edge theory is we focus on the diamonds!

124 DanVanSmak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:19:46am
The hypothesis has been regarded skeptically, but its advocates now report perhaps more convincing residue of impact: a thin layer of microscopic diamonds found in rocks across America and in Europe.

Wow...science doing its job here...treating a new supposition as interesting but unproven. Had only anthropogenic global warming been given similar treatment at first. But, as this article shows, inquiring minds are no longer sure "the science is settled," and that there's more to the story than the well-funded propagandists would like you to believe.

*out*

125 Zimriel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:24:22am

re: #112 FrogMarch

I think we are due.

If your plan is to stock up on ammo and canned goods, don't move to Wyoming.

126 FredWM  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:06:05am

Actually, this report has a political side to it as the disappearance of the mammoths has long been put down to the arrival of humans on the North American continent. As this fits right in with the liberal world-view of "humans bad, animals good" it was an item of believe and an example of what awaits us if we do not follow Al Gore's every word. That the disappearance of all the large animals in North America 13,000 years ago was not connected to over-hunting will send waves of depression through every faculty lounge from New York to LA.

127 CofactorMatrix  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:21:30am

Dang. I thought this was going to be a story about Israeli Apaches hitting Ham-ass-holes.

128 drool  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:44:20pm

This can't be true if the world is only 6000 years old.

129 Sabnen  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:29pm

That could explain the extinction of mammoths, saber-tooth tigers and maybe even the first human inhabitants of the Americas.

And here I was thinking man had hunted them to extinction like my teacher taught me.

I'll be busy awhile trying to get my 'educated' brain around this. Is it maybe man is not responsible for all things that happen on Earth?


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