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His speech is clumsy, with a toadlike indolence, long winded, pedantic, choppy. The words tumble from his mouth in sentence fragments, which he holds back as much as possible, as if they were earning interest. It takes forever and a day for him to push out a clump of hardened brain snot. Then he writhes in painful ecstasy, as if he had sugar on his rotten teeth. A very slow blab machine. An obsolete model with a non-working switch— it can’t be turned off unless you cut off the electric power altogether. So I’d have to smash him in the kisser. No, I’d have to knock him unconscious. But even if he were unconscious he’d keep talking. Even if his vocal cords were sliced through, he’d keep talking like a ventriloquist. Even if his throat were cut and his head were chopped off, speech balloons would still dangle from his mouth like gases emitted by internal decay.

Klaus Kinski, on Werner Herzog

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1 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:22:05pm

Now that is one well-worded insult.

2 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:22:28pm

That is one colorful quote.

3 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:23:42pm

"clump of hardened brain snot"
I've got to favorite that one...

4 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:24:30pm
It takes forever and a day for him to push out a clump of hardened brain snot.

Just beautiful.

5 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:25:14pm

/FOX NEWS ALERT!

6 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:25:19pm

This could be applied to the comments section of ABC's hero of 2009 we were talking about in the last thread.

7 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:27:06pm

Off-screen, Kinski often appeared as a wild-eyed, sex-crazed maniac. He chronicled his exploits in the autobiography—Kinski: All I Need Is Love, which, according to Werner Herzog's My Best Fiend, a documentary about the pair's experiences working together, was largely fabricated to generate sales. (A libel suit from Marlene Dietrich due to Kinski depicting her as a lesbian resulted in the book being withdrawn from circulation until her death).

From Wiki

8 ohiogirl  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:27:20pm

Too late again - just once I want to be poster number one

9 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:29:28pm

re: #8 ohiogirl

Too late again - just once I want to be poster number one

I've done it only 8 times in a year...your time will come.

10 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:30:04pm

re: #6 Silvergirl

This could be applied to the comments section of ABC's hero of 2009 we were talking about in the last thread.

Gallop...:)

11 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:30:48pm

The quote undoubtedly comes from his experience in this movie, which was a rather tortured affair.

12 stevieray  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:31:07pm

... but other than that, he's a great guy. Sheesh!

Do any actors like any directors?

13 jim_beam  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:31:36pm

re: #8 ohiogirl

8th is pretty good. by the time i show up the threads are usually pushing 150

14 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:31:56pm

re: #6 Silvergirl

This could be applied to the comments section of ABC's hero of 2009 we were talking about in the last thread.

15 stuiec  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:34:10pm

I wonder what it was that compelled Werner Herzog to make the post-mortem biography of the Grizzly Man.

16 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:36:44pm

From my wiki article link above

"On one occasion, irritated by the noise from a hut where cast and crew were playing cards, the explosive Kinski fired three gunshots at it, blowing the top joint off one extra's finger.[3] Subsequently, Kinski started leaving the jungle location (over Herzog's refusal to fire a sound assistant), only changing his mind after Herzog threatened to shoot first Kinski and then himself. The latter incident has given rise to the legend that Herzog made Kinski act for him at gunpoint. However, Herzog has repeatedly debunked the claim during interviews, explaining he only verbally threatened Kinski in the heat of the moment, in a desperate attempt to keep him from leaving the set.[8] The famous incident is parodied in Incident at Loch Ness, which Herzog co-wrote.[9]"

LOL! Not boring.

17 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:38:34pm

think we'll need the the grill for any of the hatchlings tonight?

18 ohiogirl  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:38:51pm

Of course as the self esteem teachers tell us, 8th place is just as good as first because what matters is you tried, and everyone is a winner.

19 Ledger1  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:38:56pm

When asked how they feel about President-elect Barack Obama as commander in chief, six out of 10 active-duty service members say they are uncertain or pessimistic, according to a Military Times survey. In follow-up interviews, respondents expressed concerns about Obama’s lack of military service and experience leading men and women in uniform.

“Being that the Marine Corps can be sent anywhere in the world with the snap of his fingers, nobody has confidence in this guy as commander in chief,” said one lance corporal who asked not to be identified.

2008 Military Times poll Wary about Obama

Why should the military be wary? Obama just wants to cut their funding and gut them.

/

20 Kragar  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:39:13pm

re: #5 Killian Bundy



/FOX NEWS ALERT!

ROFLMAO

21 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:39:23pm

Anyone here catch that Blackhawks/Red Wings game at Wrigley today? Any thoughts?

22 ohiogirl  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:39:48pm

Hatchling - the other white meat

23 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:40:49pm

re: #15 stuiec

I wonder what it was that compelled Werner Herzog to make the post-mortem biography of the Grizzly Man.

Respect and friendship.

24 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:41:43pm

Was Kinski a schizophrenic?

25 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:41:59pm

Gaza rockets put Israel’s nuclear plant in battle zone

Things are heating up. "Gaza rockets put Israel’s nuclear plant in battle zone," by James Hider in the Times, January 2 (thanks to Sr. Soph):

There were growing fears in Israel last night that Hamas missiles could threaten its top-secret nuclear facility at Dimona.

Rocket attacks from Gaza have forced Israelis to flee in ever greater numbers and military chiefs have been shaken by the size and sophistication of the militant group’s arsenal.

In Beersheba, until a few days ago a sleepy desert town in southern Israel, there is little sign of the 186,000 inhabitants. Schools are closed and the streets of shuttered shops echo with the howl of sirens warning of incoming rockets...

Israeli officials say that Hamas has also acquired dozens of Iranian-made Fajr-3 missiles with an even longer range. Many fear that as the group acquires ever more sophisticated weaponry it is only a matter of time before the nuclear installation at Dimona, 20 miles east of Beersheba, falls within its sights. Dimona houses Israel’s only nuclear reactor and is believed to be where nuclear warheads are stored.

Israel’s worst nightmare is that soon all its cities will be within range either of the Hezbollah Katyushas arrayed on the Lebanese border to the north or the increasingly sophisticated missiles stockpiled by Hamas to the south. Both groups have links to Israel’s archenemy Iran.

Israel has said that its aim is to smash Hamas’s rocket-firing capability but also to topple the hardline Islamist regime that seized power in the Gaza Strip in 2007 after bloody street battles with its secular rivals Fatah. Until that goal is achieved, many in Beersheba are packing their bags and heading for Tel Aviv or Eilat.

“Maybe 30 or 40 per cent of people have left the city,” said Ron Shukron, 26, running one of the few grocery shops still open. As he spoke a siren echoed through the empty streets. With only 15 seconds to take cover, he stepped under a reinforced support beam in the ceiling. Seconds later came the dull thud of a rocket exploding on the edge of town.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

26 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:43:16pm

LOL Jay Leno is talking about snuggies.

27 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:43:45pm

re: #21 Fenway_Nation

Anyone here catch that Blackhawks/Red Wings game at Wrigley today? Any thoughts?

made me glad i was in LA where it was over 70 in the back yard while the game was on...

28 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:44:43pm

re: #24 MandyManners

Was Kinski a schizophrenic?

The guy was definitely a hoot. One of his daughters is Natassja.

29 ggt  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:44:50pm

weet dreams all!

30 Kragar  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:44:58pm

re: #26 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL Jay Leno is talking about snuggies.

I saw those on TV today. The made for TV family looked like a group of Fransiscan monks hanging around at home

31 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:45:26pm

re: #25 Dustyvet

Remember when the Palis were busy killing each other in a protracted dispute over who hated the Jews more?

/*sigh* those were the days...

32 Kragar  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:45:29pm

re: #29 ggt

weet dreams all!

You either forgot a letter or added a letter, but thanks either way

33 anat  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:46:14pm

re: #11 rawmuse

The quote undoubtedly comes from his experience in this movie, which was a rather tortured affair.

Oh Yes,
Aguirre, the Wrath of God
An incredible film. While critics flagged it as a parable on war, to my understanding it is a psychological film concerning the growth of mental illness.

34 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:46:17pm

And, oh yes, Mr. Kinski was a Nazi soldier, he was a British POW in 1944. He discovered his acting ability while in POW camps.
With that, I retire.

35 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:47:29pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You either forgot a letter or added a letter, but thanks either way


that's the traditional LNDT speeling...

36 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:47:45pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL They were talking about them on the last thread. Maybe Leno is a lizard.

Not getting one myself. I am still laughing over those titanium knives they had a few years ago. One of our friends got his set and another set free which he gave to us. Not much titanium coating left.

37 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:48:03pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Kind of says something when people in your own family won't even step up and buy you the 'As Seen on TV' merchandise, but instead gets you something that's 'Similar To As Seen on TV'...

38 traderjoe9  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:48:11pm

re: #25 Dustyvet

This might become much more serious than I ever thought...over two millions Israelis (including my family in northern Israel) are now potentially threatened by rockets, and Hamas and other organizations are getting their hands on better and much more accurate weapons...there is a threat that they might even start targeting the Dimona nuclear reactor...

39 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:49:06pm

re: #34 rawmuse

And, oh yes, Mr. Kinski was a Nazi soldier, he was a British POW in 1944. He discovered his acting ability while in POW camps.
With that, I retire.

He deserted.

40 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:49:34pm

re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL They were talking about them on the last thread. Maybe Leno is a lizard.

Not getting one myself. I am still laughing over those titanium knives they had a few years ago. One of our friends got his set and another set free which he gave to us. Not much titanium coating left.

You mean they lied?!

41 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:50:11pm

re: #38 traderjoe9

This might become much more serious than I ever thought...over two millions Israelis (including my family in northern Israel) are now potentially threatened by rockets, and Hamas and other organizations are getting their hands on better and much more accurate weapons...there is a threat that they might even start targeting the Dimona nuclear reactor...

How are those new rockets? Are they new?

42 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:50:56pm

re: #41 MandyManners

How are those new rockets getting to Hamas? Are they new?

43 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:51:23pm

re: #38 traderjoe9

This might become much more serious than I ever thought...over two millions Israelis (including my family in northern Israel) are now potentially threatened by rockets, and Hamas and other organizations are getting their hands on better and much more accurate weapons...there is a threat that they might even start targeting the Dimona nuclear reactor...

This is getting real scary.

44 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:51:30pm

re: #28 rawmuse

The guy was definitely a hoot. One of his daughters is Natassja.

did he have a son named Boris?

/white smoke

45 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:52:31pm

I'm up way past my bed time. Nighty!

46 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:52:56pm

re: #40 MandyManners

You mean they lied?!

Our poor elderly friend that bought them passed away before his fell apart. He never knew. What doubly ticks me off is the fact that that was the only thing on TV in 2001 when I was in the hospital with a broken femur. I sure hope my surgeon didn't get my titanium plate from those guys.

47 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:53:12pm

re: #45 MandyManners

I'm up way past my bed time. Nighty!

flannel or lace?

/white smoke

48 Smilla  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:53:38pm

Werner speaks well of you, Klaus.

/not

49 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:54:18pm

re: #42 MandyManners

they're traditional Middle Eastern humanitarian aid...

50 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:54:28pm

re: #45 MandyManners

Nite, Mandy. It's late for me too won't last more than a few more minutes. We are working tomorrow.

51 traderjoe9  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:55:07pm

re: #41 MandyManners

How are those new rockets? Are they new?

[Link: www.google.com...]

Militants once relied on crude homemade rockets that could fly just 12 miles to terrorize Israeli communities near the border with Gaza. Now they are firing more accurate weapons manufactured in China and Iran that have dramatically expanded their range, Israeli defense officials say.

Its not a lot of information...but with rockets now reaching 40 kilometers in, its pretty obvious that Hamas is receiving upgrades in their arsenal.

52 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:56:46pm

re: #47 redc1c4

flannel or lace?

/white smoke

She won't find you in all this smoke...cough!

53 pat  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:57:11pm

re: #51 traderjoe9

well yes. Syrian, Chinese, and Iranian rockets have been identified.

54 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:57:57pm

Morning Lizards. Watch this totally insane.

Red Bull Peak 2 Peak Base Jump

55 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:58:51pm

re: #25 Dustyvet

Israel has said that its aim is to smash Hamas’s rocket-firing capability but also to topple the hardline Islamist regime

Well, after five days of airstrikes, Israel is 0 for 2 as to her objectives. If they're serious, they're going to have to stomp the Terra or they may as well just quit wasting their time.

/and I really wouldn't worry too much about the Dimona facility, it's ground secure and hardened against a nuclear first strike

56 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:59:01pm

re: #52 Dustyvet

She won't find you in all this smoke...cough!

that's kinda the plan... she's wicked good with the clue by four.

57 shanec99  Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:59:31pm

re: #47 redc1c4

flannel or lace?

/white smoke


If she had told you in the buff what would you have done?

58 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:02:08am

re: #55 Killian Bundy

Well, after five days of airstrikes, Israel is 0 for 2 as to her objectives. If they're serious, they're going to have to stomp the Terra or they may as well just quit wasting their time.

/and I really wouldn't worry too much about the Dimona facility, it's ground secure and hardened against a nuclear first strike

Hopefully Israel learned its lesson from Lebanon and will realize that they can't fight their wars with lawyers present...we need to finish the job that we started. Or else we will just be back where we started in six more months.

59 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:02:34am

re: #55 Killian Bundy

Well, after five days of airstrikes, Israel is 0 for 2 as to her objectives. If they're serious, they're going to have to stomp the Terra or they may as well just quit wasting their time.

/and I really wouldn't worry too much about the Dimona facility, it's ground secure and hardened against a nuclear first strike

Be patient... war is a slow process and rushing to achieve an objective can of itself get in the way of achieving overall mission success. Let the war fighters do their jobs... if you want to do something useful, then send them some care packages and wish them well.

60 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:04:47am

re: #57 shanec99

If she had told you in the buff what would you have done?


i would have figured that she didn't get the pun either...

61 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:06:46am

re: #57 shanec99

If she had told you in the buff what would you have done?

I'd guess that would have been a buff, err I mean a bluff...:)


/any color smoke i can get my paws on...

62 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:07:08am

re: #59 shanec99

Pizza, Anyone?

63 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:07:36am

re: #59 shanec99

Be patient... war is a slow process and rushing to achieve an objective can of itself get in the way of achieving overall mission success. Let the war fighters do their jobs... if you want to do something useful, then send them some care packages and wish them well.

/prepping the battle space is one thing, but ain't no war ever been won yet without a ground component

64 ohiogirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:08:38am

re: #47 redc1c4

flannel or lace?

/white smoke

It's January guys! gotta think sensible. If Carhardt made pajammas I'd be wearing them now.

65 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:09:45am

Just finished paying bills. What a damper that put on the start of a new year.

66 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:09:53am

re: #64 ohiogirl

It's January guys! gotta think sensible. If Carhardt made pajammas I'd be wearing them now.

Nope, I not going to ask, I'm a good little lizard who minds his P's and Q's...

67 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:11:53am

re: #14 Dustyvet

Thanks, Dustyvet. I found it in the 11th clip of the 15. The scene where Mortimer tells Elaine about his family's insanity starts at about 1:25. I don't know if it's an urban legend, but supposedly Cary Grant donated his salary for this film to help the WWII effort.

68 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:11:56am

re: #65 Erik The Red

OMG I don't have to do that until tomorrow. Getting distressed already.

69 ohiogirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:12:02am

Hey I'm camping this weekend, so I know all about sensible sleeping attire.

70 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:13:58am

re: #59 shanec99

Be patient... war is a slow process

Oh yeah, and did I mention the mounting international political pressure, with Obama looming on the horizon?

/it's Kadima in charge, the "land for peace people", they'll eventually cave just like they did two years ago in Lebanon

71 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:15:24am

Angelica Huston as Mae Rose in Prizzi's Honor for great jammies.

72 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:17:30am

re: #67 Silvergirl

Thanks, Dustyvet. I found it in the 11th clip of the 15. The scene where Mortimer tells Elaine about his family's insanity starts at about 1:25. I don't know if it's an urban legend, but supposedly Cary Grant donated his salary for this film to help the WWII effort.

Thinks for finding it, and I'm not sure about Cary Grant and his salary. It'll be fun to research it.

73 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:19:27am

re: #69 ohiogirl

Hey I'm camping this weekend, so I know all about sensible sleeping attire.

1st Hunter "Do you hunt bear?"

2nd Hunter "No, I ware clothes"

Rim shot...


/green smoke...

74 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:19:59am

re: #64 ohiogirl

It's January guys! gotta think sensible. If Carhardt made pajammas I'd be wearing them now.

closest thing i found was the thermals...

not exactly sexy %-)

75 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:20:30am

re: #62 Fenway_Nation

Pizza, Anyone?

I'd like to do that. I do the Soldiers' Angels thing so that would be great.

76 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:21:02am

re: #69 ohiogirl

Hey I'm camping this weekend, so I know all about sensible sleeping attire.

there's no room service at the hotel?

77 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:21:19am

re: #70 Killian Bundy

Oh yeah, and did I mention the mounting international political pressure, with Obama looming on the horizon?

/it's Kadima in charge, the "land for peace people", they'll eventually cave just like they did two years ago in Lebanon

This operation is actually nerving me a little bit. Since this was Barak's mastermind, Labor and Kadima are gaining in popularity in Israel. Likud is still in front though...It'll be an interesting election.

78 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:23:25am

re: #63 Killian Bundy

/prepping the battle space is one thing, but ain't no war ever been won yet without a ground component


The people who keep saying that keep fighting yesterday's wars over and over again.
The question is does the Israeli side want to capture ground and become an occupying force, and bleed slowly, or minimize its losses and ensure the attacking force loses an unacceptable large portion of its combat capability.
The objectives should the dictate tactics... not the other way around. Let the isrealis do their thing, they have been successfully defending themselves for more than 60 years. I would be wrong to question their tactics when they are under fire and fighting for survival.

79 ohiogirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:23:35am

re: #74 redc1c4

closest thing i found was the thermals...

not exactly sexy %-)

Poor single lizard - sniff (pauses to wipe away tear) - no one to look sexy for.

80 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:26:50am

Israel wants to stop the mortars/rockets. The only realistic chance they have of actually accomplishing that objective is an urban ground operation, losing vehicles, taking casualties, and risking live troop capture by Hamas.

/Catch 22

81 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:27:00am

re: #74 redc1c4

closest thing i found was the thermals...

not exactly sexy %-)

That's $72 for a set of Carhatt women's thermals?

82 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:28:22am

re: #79 ohiogirl

Poor single lizard - sniff (pauses to wipe away tear) - no one to look sexy for.

get ready now, and you'll be prepared for when you do...

i gotta agree with my better 2/3rds... this is the ONLY way to camp...

83 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:28:44am

re: #78 shanec99

The people who keep saying that keep fighting yesterday's wars over and over again.
The question is does the Israeli side want to capture ground and become an occupying force, and bleed slowly, or minimize its losses and ensure the attacking force loses an unacceptable large portion of its combat capability.
The objectives should the dictate tactics... not the other way around. Let the isrealis do their thing, they have been successfully defending themselves for more than 60 years. I would be wrong to question their tactics when they are under fire and fighting for survival.

Its really an interesting situation since there can never be a permanent solution. We know that Palestinians will never (or at least not in a very looong time) accept coexistence with the Jews...and replacing hamas with Fatah would also be a stupid move, since Fatah is just as determined to get rid of Israel (no matter how "moderate" the media portrays them to be).

I would propose keeping Hamas in power (figuratively) but literally crush every single tunnel and weapons caches they have, and watch their every move (making sure they don't construct new tunnels). If we can keep them bogged down...I don't think Israel has too much to worry about (except UN condemnations). I'm fairly certain that Egypt would cooperate, since Mubarak is scared shitless of Hamas gaining an influence there.

84 ohiogirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:28:56am

re: #81 Silvergirl

That's $72 for a set of Carhatt women's thermals?

With the price of clothes, no wonder I can't afford a hotel to wear them to.

85 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:29:53am

re: #81 Silvergirl

That's $72 for a set of Carhatt women's thermals?

i wasn't looking at the prices...

86 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:31:04am

re: #80 Killian Bundy

Israel wants to stop the mortars/rockets. The only realistic chance they have of actually accomplishing that objective is an urban ground operation, losing vehicles, taking casualties, and risking live troop capture by Hamas.

/Catch 22


I disagree, the only real way of stopping the attacks is to make the other side pay a price for each rocket attack. The price they pay must be greater than they are willing to endure. At some point as you continue to escalate the response you will arrive at a point where the price they are paying is too great and the attacks will stop. It is just that Hamas has not arrived at that point as yet.

87 ohiogirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:31:25am

re: #82 redc1c4

get ready now, and you'll be prepared for when you do...

i gotta agree with my better 2/3rds... this is the ONLY way to camp...

Oh wow - that looks nice - sure beats sleeping in my truck in a parking lot this weekend. The things we do to save money.

88 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:32:34am

re: #84 ohiogirl

With the price of clothes, no wonder I can't afford a hotel to wear them to.

:-)

I see you haven't fallen for that old line about how much warmer it is to sleep naked in a sleeping bag.

Myth dispelled

89 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:32:36am

re: #83 traderjoe9

Its really an interesting situation since there can never be a permanent solution. We know that Palestinians will never (or at least not in a very looong time) accept coexistence with the Jews...and replacing hamas with Fatah would also be a stupid move, since Fatah is just as determined to get rid of Israel (no matter how "moderate" the media portrays them to be).

I would propose keeping Hamas in power (figuratively) but literally crush every single tunnel and weapons caches they have, and watch their every move (making sure they don't construct new tunnels). If we can keep them bogged down...I don't think Israel has too much to worry about (except UN condemnations). I'm fairly certain that Egypt would cooperate, since Mubarak is scared shitless of Hamas gaining an influence there.

Thanks for your insight. Sometimes I don't feel like I know enough about all of the inner-politics, etc.

90 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:32:45am

re: #78 shanec99

The people who keep saying that keep fighting yesterday's wars over and over again.

There's a reason for that, lessons learned.

The question is does the Israeli side want to capture ground and become an occupying force, and bleed slowly, or minimize its losses and ensure the attacking force loses an unacceptable large portion of its combat capability.
The objectives should the dictate tactics... not the other way around.

/five days ago the clear objective was to stop the mortar/rocket attacks, now the objective seems to be lost somewhere in the weeds

91 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:33:06am

re: #83 traderjoe9

Its really an interesting situation since there can never be a permanent solution. We know that Palestinians will never (or at least not in a very looong time) accept coexistence with the Jews...and replacing hamas with Fatah would also be a stupid move, since Fatah is just as determined to get rid of Israel (no matter how "moderate" the media portrays them to be).

I would propose keeping Hamas in power (figuratively) but literally crush every single tunnel and weapons caches they have, and watch their every move (making sure they don't construct new tunnels). If we can keep them bogged down...I don't think Israel has too much to worry about (except UN condemnations). I'm fairly certain that Egypt would cooperate, since Mubarak is scared shitless of Hamas gaining an influence there.

I think you are right, and I believe based on what I see the Isrealis doing that they also agree with you.
Let us hope that the Israelis are not walking into a dead end without any real solution.

92 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:34:48am

re: #87 ohiogirl

Oh wow - that looks nice - sure beats sleeping in my truck in a parking lot this weekend. The things we do to save money.

and you'd have to save a bundle to check in there, at these rates...

93 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:35:51am

re: #85 redc1c4

i wasn't looking at the prices...

You're easily pleased. A Carhartt catalog, women's thermal section, please.

94 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:36:09am

If your looking for an external HD to backup your computer, do yourself a favor -- stay the hell away from Maxtor/Seagate!

Ugh!

95 ohiogirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:37:24am

re: #92 redc1c4

and you'd have to save a bundle to check in there, at these rates...

One night in the safari cabin is more than my mortgage! Gee maybe I'll just stay here and close my eyes.

96 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:38:08am

re: #86 shanec99

I disagree, the only real way of stopping the attacks is to make the other side pay a price for each rocket attack. The price they pay must be greater than they are willing to endure. At some point as you continue to escalate the response you will arrive at a point where the price they are paying is too great and the attacks will stop. It is just that Hamas has not arrived at that point as yet.

They're riding it out in underground bunkers. Notice how the death toll has barely risen in the last three days, stuck at 400.

/do you really believe that airstrikes are going to break Hamas?

97 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:38:19am

re: #76 redc1c4

there's no room service at the hotel?

At this point in my life, roughing it is a Bed & Breakfast.
/but I know camping...

98 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:38:44am

re: #91 shanec99

I think you are right, and I believe based on what I see the Isrealis doing that they also agree with you.
Let us hope that the Israelis are not walking into a dead end without any real solution.

I'm very concerned about the IDF potentially proceeding with the ground operation. They would incur large casualties and I don't think that there's anything they can do that the IAF cannot take care of. The IAF has certainly shown they are capable of taking care of tunnels and weapon storage's...

Killian said that no war has been won without sending ground troops in, but perhaps this isn't a war that's going to be won. Even if Israel gets rid of every Hamas terrorist in Gaza, someone else will replace them. Because of that I strongly believe that the only thing Israel can do is watch every move they make. Israel has some of the most advanced technology and surveillance systems in the world, I'm sure they can do a great job of it.

99 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:38:47am

re: #95 ohiogirl

One night in the safari cabin is more than my mortgage! Gee maybe I'll just stay here and close my eyes.

Isn't that what they call a 'stay-cation'?

100 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:40:24am

re: #96 Killian Bundy

They're riding it out in underground bunkers. Notice how the death toll has barely risen in the last three days, stuck at 400.

/do you really believe that airstrikes are going to break Hamas?

I'm completely fine with them hiding. Keep em' that way.

101 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:41:27am

The BBC has prominent studios on the southern peripheries of Manchester city centre, from which it broadcasts a number of its many national and local radio shows and TV programmes, and which in fact is due to form the BBC HQ along with new purpose built offices by the ship canal, and one annoying thing I have noticed is that hard left and Islamist protests take advantage by staging their protests just outside where they will be noticed. This is pretty common, I know, protesting outside media offices, but I wonder if every organisation would be quite so sympathetic as is the BBC. A show I was on during the last Lebanon war was almost entirely given over to one of these protesters who had just been invited in, much to the chagrin of the well-prepared (and on our side) Lebanese guest and myself. And the protests currently being organised in Manchester for tomorrow again congregate near and march past the BBC. I shall expect biased coverage. It's infuriating because we can't very well call up the Beeb and get all, or any, of its producers to see they are being played and should ignore the protests, and because that's tomorrow's news, quite unmovable.

102 dadog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:41:48am

ot anybody see a slow moving alling star

103 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:43:49am

re: #100 traderjoe9

I'm completely fine with them hiding. Keep em' that way.

They still communicate.

It's really expensive to keep up the airstrikes 24/7.

/and the Hamas mortars and rockets keep coming anyway, deeper into Israel every day it seems

104 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:44:05am

re: #96 Killian Bundy

They're riding it out in underground bunkers. Notice how the death toll has barely risen in the last three days, stuck at 400.

/do you really believe that airstrikes are going to break Hamas?

sooner or later, traffic will reveal those bunkers, and then it's penetrator time...

105 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:44:29am

re: #90 Killian Bundy

/five days ago the clear objective was to stop the mortar/rocket attacks, now the objective seems to be lost somewhere in the weeds


My friend, this not a video game, the results will take time, 5 days is not such a long time.

Nothing undermines an creates a greater likelyhood of military failure than the combination of:
underestimating the enemy
poor planning
inability to respond to changing conditions on the battle field
and impatience during periods when results are not coming as quickly as you would like.

Let the Israelis fight their battles the way they see fit. If they need help as ask for it, we should provide it, and if they don't we should butt out and let them take care of their security. They are the ones who have been dealing with suicide bomber, rocket attacks and people committed to destroying them for decades. Not us.
Far be it from me to dictate to or "Monday morning Quarterback" the Israeli military response while they are in the field and facing an enemy that is determined to anhilate them.

106 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:44:31am

re: #102 dadog

ot anybody see a slow moving alling star


I had a dream about something like that. It was pretty weet...

107 ohiogirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:45:36am

Yikes! Just realized I'm getting up in 4 hours - guess I should go to bed before the alarm goes off. Goodnite all!

108 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:45:47am

re: #102 dadog

ot anybody see a slow moving alling star

which network were you watching?

109 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:45:55am

re: #96 Killian Bundy

They're riding it out in underground bunkers. Notice how the death toll has barely risen in the last three days, stuck at 400.

/do you really believe that airstrikes are going to break Hamas?


Let us see in a few weeks. I trust the Israelis to do what is necessay to preserve their nation. If they believe a change in tactics is necessary in this ongoing war of national survival they will make the necessary adjustments.

110 dadog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:46:56am

about 15 mintes ao hangun in the back yard (Phoenix) there was an extreme slow moving bright object. no shxx

111 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:47:15am

re: #105 shanec99

Nothing undermines an creates a greater likelyhood of military failure than the combination of:
underestimating the enemy
poor planning
inability to respond to changing conditions on the battle field
and impatience during periods when results are not coming as quickly as you would like.

/see: Lebanon, 2006

112 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:47:42am

re: #103 Killian Bundy

They still communicate.

It's really expensive to keep up the airstrikes 24/7.

/and the Hamas mortars and rockets keep coming anyway, deeper into Israel every day it seems

But once Israel goes into Gaza and cleans up the mess...what then? Someone else will take their place and start firing more rockets into Israel.

The only solution is to make it impossible for Hamas to do virtually anything. They're still sending rockets but if we completely destroy all tunnels and all their communication with the outside world, they're going to run out of rockets and weapons.

113 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:48:15am

re: #110 dadog

about 15 mintes ao hangun in the back yard (Phoenix) there was an extreme slow moving bright object. no shxx

Meteor? Space junk?

114 AmeriDan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:48:16am

re: #102 dadog

ot anybody see a slow moving alling star

Global Warming has taken all the f's... and Obama has slowed the falling of stars. Interesting times we live in.

115 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:48:55am

re: #110 dadog

Iron Fist rule...

116 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:49:46am

re: #113 Smilla

Meteor? Space junk?

the ISS?

117 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:50:09am

Holy shit. I think YNET was just hacked. Can someone confirm this?

118 dadog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:50:10am

It was not like a shooting star... It was across the sky for about 4 seconds before it disinegrated

119 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:50:19am

re: #112 traderjoe9

The only solution is to make it impossible for Hamas to do virtually anything. They're still sending rockets but if we completely destroy all tunnels and all their communication with the outside world, they're going to run out of rockets and weapons.

/well, good luck with that

120 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:51:05am

that's it: i'm off to mixup some fruitcup for later and hit the rack.

i have a bidness meeting with 2H6 tomorrow, so i'd best be presentable.

hasta y'all...

L8r!

121 AmeriDan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:51:12am

re: #116 redc1c4

the ISS?

The new toilet has to flush to somewhere.

122 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:51:54am

re: #121 AmeriDan

The new toilet has to flush to somewhere.

The toolbag!

123 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:52:41am

re: #117 traderjoe9

Holy shit. I think YNET was just hacked. Can someone confirm this?

looks that way to me...

124 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:52:57am

re: #111 Killian Bundy

/see: Lebanon, 2006


Israel achieved the overwhelming majoity of its goals in 06, the Hezballah may talk big now, but they have not fired on Israel since the Isrealis bombed their butts.

They can no longer operate in the border area like they did before the 06 war, because if they do the are aware that the response will be immediate and devastating.

Israel did not destroy them, but its nothern border is no longer under the attacks that it was before. That my friend is success, not fancy speaches and demonstrations calling for Israeli destruction.

125 AmeriDan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:53:06am

re: #122 Smilla

The toolbag!

Priceless.

Dinged ya.

126 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:54:11am

re: #117 traderjoe9

Holy shit. I think YNET was just hacked. Can someone confirm this?

Yep.

127 gmsc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:54:12am

This is Milton Berle on the Muppet Show. I especially like the section from 2:55 to 5:35 -

128 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:56:05am

re: #126 stevieray

I got on to it just fine but not through the LGF link.

129 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:59:43am

re: #128 Pvt Bin Jammin

I got on to it just fine but not through the LGF link.

I got there by highlighting "YNET" and google-searching for it. It locked up my pc for a few minutes -- thought I'd have to reboot, but it released it eventually.

130 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:00:00am

re: #126 stevieray

Yep.

Whats ynet and is there a link?

131 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:01:23am

re: #130 Erik The Red

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

132 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:01:33am

re: #128 Pvt Bin Jammin

Do you see a regular YNET page, or do you see a Pali propaganda page?

133 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:02:24am

re: #131 Pvt Bin Jammin

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Thanks

134 AmeriDan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:03:29am

re: #124 shanec99

They can no longer operate in the border area like they did before the 06 war, because if they do the are aware that the response will be immediate and devastating.

Seen any alling stars lately?

135 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:03:37am

re: #131 Pvt Bin Jammin

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I went to w w w.ynet.c o m [without the spaces, of course]

136 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:05:12am

re: #124 shanec99

They can no longer operate in the border area like they did before the 06 war, because if they do the are aware that the response will be immediate and devastating.

Really, Hezbollah doesn't operate in the border area? Hell, they're poised to take over the Lebanese government.

Israel vowed to destroy Hezbollah's rocket capabilities in the 2006 war, but while it inflicted heavy losses on the movement's fighters, it couldn't stop missile firing. And Hezbollah's leaders boast the group has rebuilt its arsenal to some 30,000 rockets.

/whistling past the graveyard

137 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:05:16am

re: #132 stevieray

These are the last two paragraphs of the top article:
Palestinian sources reported that Israeli aircraft hit 15 houses belonging to Hamas militants early Friday morning.

They said the Israelis either warned nearby residents by phone or fired a warning missile to reduce civilian casualties. Twelve people were hurt in the attacks, hospital officials said.

138 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:07:26am

Now there's speculation that Israel hasn't proceeded with the ground operation because Olmert, Livni, and Barak are concerned that if the operation was for some reason unsuccessful - that would hurt their chances come reelection.

Fuck politics.

139 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:08:34am

re: #137 Pvt Bin Jammin

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

140 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:08:59am

Fuck politics, indeed.

I am out lizards, working tomorrow.

Happy New Year.

141 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:09:40am

re: #140 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good night.

142 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:10:28am

re: #137 Pvt Bin Jammin

YNET's homepage is hijacked, the index page [your link] is still fine. Try going to w w w.ynet.c o m / and see what is there.

143 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:10:59am

re: #140 Pvt Bin Jammin

Goodnight!

144 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:12:11am

re: #142 stevieray

YNET's homepage is hijacked, the index page [your link] is still fine. Try going to w w w.ynet.c o m / and see what is there.

Looks Japanese to me.

145 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:12:31am

re: #136 Killian Bundy

/Israel vowed to destroy Hezbollah's rocket capabilities in the 2006 war, but while it inflicted heavy losses on the movement's fighters, it couldn't stop missile firing. And Hezbollah's leaders boast the group has rebuilt its arsenal to some 30,000 rockets.

/oops, linky for that

146 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:14:13am

ynetnews.com is fine for me

re: #142 stevieray

YNET's homepage is hijacked, the index page [your link] is still fine. Try going to w w w.ynet.c o m / and see what is there.

Was that previously a ynet address? It doesn't come up as a top Google result. And is that the address everyone's saying is hacked?

147 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:15:25am

re: #146 Dom

ynetnews.com is fine for me

Was that previously a ynet address? It doesn't come up as a top Google result. And is that the address everyone's saying is hacked?

Really? I get a black page with a bunch of anti-Israel photos.

Hacked BY

JURM-TEAM & CYBER-TERRORIST & TEAM-Evil

148 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:15:27am

So, ynet.com is not the same thing as the ynet we know. That one isn't a hack at all.

149 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:15:34am
150 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:16:16am

www. ynetnews.c o m seems ok

151 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:16:54am

re: #149 stevieray

Hacked YNET link.

Nasty.

152 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:17:17am

re: #134 AmeriDan

Seen any alling stars lately?


Havn't been looking for any.

153 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:17:53am

re: #147 traderjoe9

Here's my screenshot Image: ynetscreeenshotrr8.jpg

154 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:18:02am
155 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:18:18am

re: #149 stevieray

Hacked YNET link.

/looks normal to me

156 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:19:13am

re: #148 Dom

So, ynet.com is not the same thing as the ynet we know. That one isn't a hack at all.

You're right, its a different address entirely. I usually go to YNET via bookmark, not a google search. The fake YNET address is the top search return on my google page!

157 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:20:28am

re: #156 stevieray

I don't doubt you're seeing a hack at the real ynet address but I'm perplexed I see everything as normal.

158 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:22:07am
159 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:22:35am

Perhaps ynet has already fixed the problem.

160 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:23:35am

Thats weird...some can see it and some can't.

161 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:23:43am

re: #155 Killian Bundy

/looks normal to me

/okay, there we go, got the hack third time I clicked it, it's working hard to download malware so be careful

162 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:23:55am

re: #158 traderjoe9

[Link: img119.imageshack.us...]

I just tried in Firefox to be sure, and to me it's completely normal. Most odd.

163 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:25:00am

[Link: www.israellycool.com...]

I believe that blog is being hacked as we speak...the comments in the first article are being deleted.

164 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:26:11am

re: #163 traderjoe9

[Link: www.israellycool.com...]

I believe that blog is being hacked as we speak...the comments in the first article are being deleted.

F***!

165 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:27:06am

re: #136 Killian Bundy

/whistling past the graveyard


Who governs the Lebanses people is a decision for Lebanese people. They will suffer or prosper based on the government they choose. Israel cannot decide who will govern Lebanon any more than we can decide who will govern China.
Hezballah may have increased thier inventory of rockets, but they are not shooting them at Israel... and I can tell you this for certain, it is not because they believe that Israeli citizens deserve peace.
If Hezballah figured that they could fire on Israel without a risk to them and their forces, Israeli citizens would even now be living in fear of attacks from both directions.
06 made believers of the Hezballah leadership regarding Israel's willingness to use force when provoked. It is not a lesson they will soon forget... they may talk big... but they are not stupid... all they will do is talk.

166 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:29:28am

On Israelycool


11:20AM: Muslim hackers are hacking various Israeli sites.

I wonder which others (if not his too).

167 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:30:05am

The real YNET is w w w.ynetnews.c o m, the "hacked" site a counterfeit, w w w.ynet.c o m. Different addresses.

Its a fake to draw in searches for YNET.

168 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:32:12am

re: #165 shanec99

Hezballah may have increased thier inventory of rockets, but they are not shooting them at Israel...

Yet.

/they're not defensive rockets and they didn't rearm themselves because they're deterred by Israel, they take the long view of the situation

169 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:32:16am

re: #167 stevieray

The real YNET is w w w.ynetnews.c o m, the "hacked" site a counterfeit, w w w.ynet.c o m. Different addresses.

Its a fake to draw in searches for YNET.

Look at my image...that's the address I used.

Image: hackerslf4.gif

170 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:35:20am

re: #169 traderjoe9

Look at my image...that's the address I used.

[Link: img119.imageshack.us...]

Is anyone apart from Joe seeing this when they click on [Link: www.ynetnews.com...] ?

171 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:36:14am

re: #170 Dom

Is anyone apart from Joe seeing this when they click on [Link:

172 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:36:57am

re: #171 Smilla

Don't know what happened there: I am seeing the hacked site now, not earlier.

173 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:37:30am

re: #170 Dom

OK... now both addresses are hacked. The ynetnews one was fine a few minutes ago... now its the same as the ynet address!

174 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:37:38am

re: #172 Smilla

Don't know what happened there: I am seeing the hacked site now, not earlier.

Ok good...so they aren't just targeting me.

175 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:38:31am

re: #174 traderjoe9

Ok good...so they aren't just targeting me.

Bastards!

176 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:40:24am

re: #170 Dom

Is anyone apart from Joe seeing this when they click on [Link: www.ynetnews.com...] ?

I'm seeing anti-Zionest crap. same thing you have at :
[Link: img119.imageshack.us...]

Supposed to be different?

177 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:40:53am

re: #168 Killian Bundy

Yet.

/they're not defensive rockets and they didn't rearm themselves because they're deterred by Israel, they take the long view of the situation


They are not shooting at Israel because they know the Israelis will respond and destroy their arsenal. Its that simple, if they believed they could attack with impunity, they would. If they believe they could murder every Jew and wipe Isreal off the face of the map they would. What stands between Israel and an attack from Hezballah is the memory of 06 and the destruction that came to thier military infrastructure following thier stupidity.

178 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:43:55am

re: #166 traderjoe9

11:20AM: Muslim hackers are hacking various Israeli sites.

Not J-Date! Nooo!

179 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:45:47am

Alright...I'm going to call it a night.

Good night!

180 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:46:23am

re: #179 traderjoe9

'night

181 stevieray  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:49:28am

I'm calling it quits too.

G'night all.

182 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:52:19am

I'm still seeing the regular site!

But I'm pleased for Joe it isn't just him!

'Night Americans.

183 opilio  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:57:09am

Gee, it's quiet in here.

184 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:58:36am

its OK... its better not to say anything if you dont have something important or relevant to say.

185 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:00:00am

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards

Fruitcup is on the table...>

Please help yourself.
Not many people here tonight so should be plenty left over.

186 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:00:10am

But who shall stay for the fruitcup?

187 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:00:29am

re: #185 Erik The Red

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards

Fruitcup is on the table...>

Please help yourself.
Not many people here tonight so should be plenty left over.

w00t

188 opilio  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:00:36am

Nothing is particularly relevant at 3 AM. == Except fruitcup.

189 Smilla  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:02:57am

re: #188 opilio

Nothing is particularly relevant at 3 AM. == Except fruitcup.

In the wee small hours of the morning, when the whole world seems fast asleep, you lie awake...

190 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:05:35am

FYI per Hack in the Box
Muslim hackers have launched a massive cyberattack, defacing more than 300 Israeli websites since the Jewish state began pounding Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, a computer forensics expert said this week.

And operators of pro-Israeli websites operating in the United States should expect similar assaults to come their way, said Gary Warner, director of research in computer forensics at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

"In the current situation, the hackers supporting Gaza clearly believe Israel and the U.S. are culpable," he wrote on his blog. "That means American webmasters may wish to be especially vigilant right now." Warner called the spate of defacements a "Propaganda War," in which the Muslim hackers replace legitimate content with anti-Israeli and anti-United States messages.

191 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:08:05am

re: #190 Outrider

Also from SC magazine
Muslim hackers attack Israeli websites as Gaza strikes continue
(more at link)

192 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:15:11am

Ynet, a major Israeli news outlet, has been hacked.

Why don't they at least shut the site down?

193 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:17:13am

Ynet now playing IslamoNazi propaganda.

194 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:20:48am

re: #193 Abu Boo Boo

Ynet now playing IslamoNazi propaganda.

This coming from a bunch of pathetic ass hats that want to drag the world back to the 7th Century,

RoP...

/spit...

195 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:29:12am

re: #194 Dustyvet

This coming from a bunch of pathetic ass hats that want to drag the world back to the 7th Century,

RoP...

/spit...

guess some of them are willing to use 21st century means eh?

196 opilio  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:32:40am

re: #192 Abu Boo Boo

Ynet, a major Israeli news outlet, has been hacked.

Why don't they at least shut the site down?

Good Question. According to this site the domain is hosted in Massachusetts.

197 opilio  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:36:26am

BTW, they seem to be un-hacked now.

198 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:40:37am

re: #197 opilio

BTW, they seem to be un-hacked now.

Don';t seem to be. This the right one?

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199 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:42:37am

I still get the

Hacked BY
JURM-TEAM & CYBER-TERRORIST & TEAM-Evil

page, even if I reload with the shift key.

200 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:45:33am

re: #199 Abu Boo Boo I'm just getting the normal webpage. Maybe the initial hack contained malware that keeps you going to hacked site?

201 opilio  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:45:36am

Odd. I was getting that one earlier, but now I'm getting the real deal.

202 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:47:45am

re: #200 Rustler

I'm just getting the normal webpage. Maybe the initial hack contained malware that keeps you going to hacked site?

I get the hacked page even if I type in the URL. It could be that my ISP mirrors the site and hasn't updated yet.

203 opilio  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:48:42am

Nope. It's hacked again. But it was there for 10-15 minutes or so.

204 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:52:23am

Notice the IslamoNazi hackers admit--actually brag--that they are evil.

Their music is pathetic. It shows what simple-minded creatures they are.

205 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:52:29am

Try as I might on various browsers and with cache cleanouts, I don't see the hack. I'll try on my phone. Users seeing the hack, have you tried cleaning the cache, and if I were still getting it I would also run CCleaner, to see if the hacked version is complemented by some locally stored cookies or malware.

206 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:53:21am

Hacked BY

JURM-TEAM & CYBER-TERRORIST & TEAM-Evil


The above is what I just got.

207 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:53:39am

Aha! On my phone the hack shows up!

208 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:55:47am

re: #205 Dom

Try as I might on various browsers and with cache cleanouts, I don't see the hack. I'll try on my phone. Users seeing the hack, have you tried cleaning the cache, and if I were still getting it I would also run CCleaner, to see if the hacked version is complemented by some locally stored cookies or malware.

I;m getting it on all three of my computers.

209 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:56:05am

Well they aint hacked this one yet.


[Link: idfspokesperson.com...]

210 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:56:06am

I'm not getting it using XP with Chrome, Firefox or IE. On my phone I'm not getting it on Opera, only on the Blackberry browser. Is that a weird hack?

211 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:57:13am

re: #205 Dom

Try as I might on various browsers and with cache cleanouts, I don't see the hack. I'll try on my phone. Users seeing the hack, have you tried cleaning the cache, and if I were still getting it I would also run CCleaner, to see if the hacked version is complemented by some locally stored cookies or malware.

I deleted temporary Internet files. I typed in "ynetnews.com." I still get the hacked page.

212 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:58:16am

January 2nd, 2009


Summary of Overnight Events


Israeli air and naval forces attacked some 20 Hamas targets throughout the Gaza Strip during late night and early morning hours.

Among the sites targeted by the IDF:

· A mosque in Jabaliya used as a terror hub by Hamas. The mosque was used as a storage site for a large amount of Grad missiles and additional weaponry. The strike set off a lengthy series of secondary explosions and a large fire, caused by the munitions stockpiled in the mosque. The mosque was also used as a center of operations for Hamas, as a meeting place for its operatives and a staging ground for terror attacks.

· Headquarters of the military wing of Hamas

· A vehicle transporting anti-aircraft missiles

· A tunnel used to smuggle weaponry

· Rocket launchers armed and prepared for use

· Weaponry manufacturing and storage facilities

The IDF will continue to target infrastructure utilized by Hamas and the other terror organizations in Gaza, and will not hesitate to strike those involved both directly and indirectly in attacks against the citizens of the State of Israel.

213 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:58:40am

over 300 Israeli sites have been hacked. Us sites are expected to be targeted.

214 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:01:52am

re: #213 Outrider

over 300 Israeli sites have been hacked. Us sites are expected to be targeted.

Muslim hackers have launched a massive cyberattack, defacing more than 300 Israeli websites since the Jewish state began pounding Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, a computer forensics expert said this week.

And operators of pro-Israeli websites operating in the United States should expect similar assaults to come their way, said Gary Warner, director of research in computer forensics at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

"In the current situation, the hackers supporting Gaza clearly believe Israel and the U.S. are culpable," he wrote on his blog. "That means American webmasters may wish to be especially vigilant right now." Warner called the spate of defacements a "Propaganda War," in which the Muslim hackers replace legitimate content with anti-Israeli and anti-United States messages.

215 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:03:20am

They can hack websites.

We are blowing up their leaders, their ammo depots (a.k.a. "mosques"), and their rat holes (a.k.a. "tunnels")

216 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:04:59am

Hamas Terror Academy

Image: hamas_terror_academy.JPG

217 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:05:00am

re: #215 Abu Boo Boo

They can hack websites.

We are blowing up their leaders, their ammo depots (a.k.a. "mosques"), and their rat holes (a.k.a. "tunnels")

hell of a tradeoff isn't it? We can do a virus scan. They can...what? lol

218 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:05:12am

Thanks to everyone who joined in the hack-checking. I don't know why I can only see it on my phone browser - I'm not strong on this stuff but is it possibly to do with geographical routing, bearing in mind I'm in the UK?

219 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:05:53am

re: #216 Dustyvet

Hamas Terror Academy

[Link: conservablogs.com...]

He probably wants to add; Clear your backblast area.

220 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:06:44am

re: #217 Outrider

hell of a tradeoff isn't it? We can do a virus scan. They can...what? lol

Die...pure and simple, enter paradise in the company of 72 virgin goats.

221 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:08:47am

They can loop bad music...

We can watch awesome videos of laser-guided missiles and secondary explosions.

222 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:09:05am

re: #218 Dom

Thanks to everyone who joined in the hack-checking. I don't know why I can only see it on my phone browser - I'm not strong on this stuff but is it possibly to do with geographical routing, bearing in mind I'm in the UK?

Dom by chance have you ever played Astro Empires?

223 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:09:05am

re: #220 Dustyvet

Die...pure and simple, enter paradise in the company of 72 virgin goats.

I heard that virgin wool was expensive? ;-)>

224 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:09:54am

re: #223 Outrider

I heard that virgin wool was expensive? ;-)>

ding..and a rim shot...

225 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:12:05am

re: #222 Dustyvet

Dom by chance have you ever played Astro Empires?

lol no, I had to Google it - I'm not getting the reference though.

226 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:12:41am

It's interesting that so much dislike for Hamas is emerging among Arabs. They still hate Israel, but some of them seem to hate Hamas even more. Why is that?

227 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:16:16am

re: #225 Dom

lol no, I had to Google it - I'm not getting the reference though.

Oh okay, when I was playing we had a Dom in our Guild from Manchester UK.

228 rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:16:39am

I'll have to check Ynet when i get home not getting it on work comp with hack on XP with IE.

229 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:17:06am

Does your dog bite?


230 rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:17:28am

Maybe the hack will only display with Vista run browsers?

231 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:18:05am

re: #227 Dustyvet

Oh, OK. I play a bit of conquerclub (Risk), but not as Dom from Manchester.

232 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:19:12am

re: #231 Dom

Oh, OK. I play a bit of conquerclub (Risk), but not as Dom from Manchester.

Well I thought you may be he, oh well sorry...:)

233 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:19:55am

Perhaps I am fantasizing, but is it possible educated Arabs are beginning to see a few simple facts:

* Israel bombs terrorist targets only
* Israel warns nearby civilians
* Israel sends humanitarian aid to Gaza even while attacking terrorists

Notice that Egypt controls its border with Gaza, but only Israel sends aid convoys into Gaza.

234 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:23:06am

For what it is worth, I've just run a deep scan by Avanquest and found zilch from the hacked sites left on my computers

235 Outrider  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:25:47am

time to pull pitch. night all

236 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:26:55am

re: #235 Outrider

time to pull pitch. night all

Nighters Outrider...

237 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:27:57am

Ok then who's deal is it...:)

238 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:30:52am

re: #237 Dustyvet

Ok then who's deal is it...:)

Whats the game? Hold em or stud?

239 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:32:49am

re: #237 Dustyvet

Ok then who's deal is it...:)

Dustyvet, I'd like to thank you for posting that video the other night - the Seekers one with our Aussie troops starring in it

Much appreciated!

240 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:33:01am

re: #238 Erik The Red

Whats the game? Hold em or stud?

No idea, everybody left...:)

241 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:34:04am

re: #240 Dustyvet

No idea, everybody left...:)

This is the quietest I have seen for awhile. None of the usual suspects are here today.

242 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:35:59am

re: #239 aussiemagpie

Dustyvet, I'd like to thank you for posting that video the other night - the Seekers one with our Aussie troops starring in it

Much appreciated!

Your welcome...Oh wish I could find the one of the service for the victims of the Bali Bombings. not sure where it was done, but it was a very moving rendition of "Waltzing Maltilda" I've ever heard.

243 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:36:47am

re: #241 Erik The Red

This is the quietest I have seen for awhile. None of the usual suspects are here today.

Did Little Old Lady leave us, not seen her in weeks...:(

244 eon  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:38:18am

re: #226 Abu Boo Boo

re: #233 Abu Boo Boo

Good Morning, Lizards.

Or it may be even simpler than that. The rest of the Arab world may have finally noticed that the overwhelming majority of victims of Hamas' "Jihad operations against the Zionists"- are Palestinian Muslims who are unfortunate enough to be within range when Hamas sets off a car bomb, etc. To say nothing of the number of Muslims killed during Hamas' coup in Gaza.

No matter what the stated objectives of Islamic radicalism are, the majority of those who die at the hands of Islamist radicals every year are Muslims. (Pakistan being a case in point.) After the Islamic revolution in Iran, the Revolutionary Guard "kept busy" by putting to death any Iranians they even suspected of not being 100% absolutely, verifiably "their" brand of Islamist. The result was a replay of the Terror in revolutionary France on a larger and bloodier scale.

Arab states should think very carefully about just what the "true followers" of their Prophet would do if they ever had the absolute power they crave- and Israel and the U.S. were no longer available as scapegoats for their overall societal failings.

cheers

eon

245 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:38:31am

re: #243 Dustyvet

Did Little Old Lady leave us, not seen her in weeks...:(

She is on vacation and has limited internet access. Checks in but left fruitcup up to who ever is around at the time. She said she would be back on Tuesday, I think.

246 Luigi  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:38:57am

BBC is always competing against itself for the most f*cked up thinking of any news outlet. Unless they're doing this stuff on purpose. Here is a headline that represents an example of why the Beeb enjoys the reputation it does:

Cuba marks 50 years of revolution
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

There ain't any revolution going on in Cuba. If there was, they would throw those bums out. What the headline really means is 50 years without a revolution. Or, 50 years in need of a revolution. Or, 50 years of repression and suppression.

Sixty years after the publication of Nineteen Eighty-Four and the Ministry Of Truth lives.

247 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:39:27am

re: #243 Dustyvet She was on Yesterday morning.

248 jhrhv  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:40:57am

I don't have much faith in what the One is going to do as POTUS. I won't go into the details of why I am of that line of thought but will say for an incoming president that is looking at his nation at war on two fronts, facing an unprecedented threat on the homeland from terror attacks, a world on the verge of financial depression I think those are the main things anyway. And what does he find most important to do in the weeks coming up to the job of the most powerful person in the world? Going to Hawaii for a couple of weeks holiday at an exclusive luxury home, doing some photo ops at the gym and planning some kind of dog and pony show inauguration. This guy has next no real governing experience and has never done anything even close to being involved in leading men and women in uniform. I hope he enjoys his inauguration event I because he is in way over his head and the world is going to pay for the inexperience this guy has for the job he's been given.

249 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:42:10am

re: #247 Rustler

She was on Yesterday morning.

I missed her then...:(

250 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:42:53am

re: #245 Erik The Red

She is on vacation and has limited internet access. Checks in but left fruitcup up to who ever is around at the time. She said she would be back on Tuesday, I think.

Cools, I'll see her then...:) thanks...:)

251 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:46:26am

re: #248 jhrhv
I wonder what he's gonna think when he can't vote present as the president.

252 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:48:05am

re: #242 Dustyvet

Your welcome...Oh wish I could find the one of the service for the victims of the Bali Bombings. not sure where it was done, but it was a very moving rendition of "Waltzing Maltilda" I've ever heard.

I'll have a look for it as well then, and if you do find it firstcould you send it to me, my nic is blue most of the time :-)

253 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:49:25am

re: #244 eon

re: #233 Abu Boo Boo

Good Morning, Lizards.

Or it may be even simpler than that. The rest of the Arab world may have finally noticed that the overwhelming majority of victims of Hamas' "Jihad operations against the Zionists"- are Palestinian Muslims who are unfortunate enough to be within range when Hamas sets off a car bomb, etc. To say nothing of the number of Muslims killed during Hamas' coup in Gaza.

No matter what the stated objectives of Islamic radicalism are, the majority of those who die at the hands of Islamist radicals every year are Muslims. (Pakistan being a case in point.) After the Islamic revolution in Iran, the Revolutionary Guard "kept busy" by putting to death any Iranians they even suspected of not being 100% absolutely, verifiably "their" brand of Islamist. The result was a replay of the Terror in revolutionary France on a larger and bloodier scale.

Arab states should think very carefully about just what the "true followers" of their Prophet would do if they ever had the absolute power they crave- and Israel and the U.S. were no longer available as scapegoats for their overall societal failings.

cheers

eon

I think the Arab street had very mixed feelings about Hamas in the first place, but I don't think they are "coming round" on the subject. Easy to forget what very different newspapers we read.

And I am reminded of that watching the post-strike videos that Palestinians disseminate, and I am talking about stuff that quite clearly isn't Pallywood, and considering that this, combined with material from the Arab press and the left wing press, will not be balanced out for many a Muslim even if they do stumble upon a great editorial in The Telegraph.

254 eon  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:49:58am

re: #248 jhrhv

I don't have much faith in what the One is going to do as POTUS. I won't go into the details of why I am of that line of thought but will say for an incoming president that is looking at his nation at war on two fronts, facing an unprecedented threat on the homeland from terror attacks, a world on the verge of financial depression I think those are the main things anyway. And what does he find most important to do in the weeks coming up to the job of the most powerful person in the world? Going to Hawaii for a couple of weeks holiday at an exclusive luxury home, doing some photo ops at the gym and planning some kind of dog and pony show inauguration. This guy has next no real governing experience and has never done anything even close to being involved in leading men and women in uniform. I hope he enjoys his inauguration event I because he is in way over his head and the world is going to pay for the inexperience this guy has for the job he's been given.

When the Blagojevich scandal blew up in his face, I was fascinated to see how fast The Exalted One morphed from "Abe Lincoln from Illinois" to "Surfer Dude from Hawaii". This guy can "Do The Chameleon" faster than Woody Allen in Zelig. Which makes me wonder if we have ever seen the "real" Obama, and what it really looks like.

My guess is we won't until after he takes the Oath of Office. I'm hoping that the real thing does not in any way resemble Jack Napier in the first Batman movie (1989).

As it is, someone should tell him to ditch his "serious" look. And especially lose the "outstretched arm with palm down" part of it. When he does that, he looks almost exactly like Ben Stiller doing his "Blue Steel" look in Zoolander- which gets my vote for the single worst and unfunniest so-called "comedy" ever made by alleged professionals.

The first rule of leadership is, Thou Shalt Not Make A Laughingstock Of Thyself, Or Thy Country.

/It encourages the jackals, and whets their appetites.

cheers

eon

255 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:50:21am

re: #252 aussiemagpie

I'll have a look for it as well then, and if you do find it firstcould you send it to me, my nic is blue most of the time :-)

I just tried Slim Dusty singing it, and he's not the singer i heard do it for the Bali Service...:(

256 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:55:25am

re: #254 eon
You won't see the real Obama until you realize there is no Obama. Only then will you realize its not Obama that changes every 3 seconds but rather our own perceptions changing.

257 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:01:41am

re: #256 Rustler
Doh I may have watched the Matrix 1 to many times and tryed calling obama a spoon.

258 jhrhv  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:06:35am

re: #254 eon

The real Obama is a frightening thought. I expect he's something of a Ayers, Rev. Wright and other radicals mixed with good'ol Chicago politician Frankenstein monster.

Rustler:
Obama voting method when unsure think what would Jimmah Carter do then do that. Okay I'm trying to be funny just then but now I'm scaring myself.

259 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:07:07am

re: #257 Rustler

Morning all, just dropped by for a bit.

Rustler, well he is a tool. Just who's tool is is the question.

/ Soros

260 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:11:41am

re: #259 Bubblehead II

Actually I'm beginning to think Obama's biggest problem is he is a community tool belonging to the like of Ayers, Wright, Phleger, and Soros among others and all the Waffling is based off who has their hand up the puppet at that particular date and time.

261 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:12:08am

re: #255 Dustyvet

I just tried Slim Dusty singing it, and he's not the singer i heard do it for the Bali Service...:(

Now I'm going through a zillion Bali bombing links - what have you started me on? :-)

It's now one of those things I have to find - though I have found Tommy Emmanuel singing I Still Call Australia Home at a Washington DC memorial service for the Bali victims

262 Aussie Stinger  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:15:14am

Hamas English Website Forum:

[Link: www.almoltaqa.ps...]

Get in there and give 'em a piece of your mind!

Everything we say here, we can say directly to the bastards there!

Even if it just gets them down, it's worth it for sure.

263 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:15:58am

re: #261 aussiemagpie

Now I'm going through a zillion Bali bombing links - what have you started me on? :-)

It's now one of those things I have to find - though I have found Tommy Emmanuel singing I Still Call Australia Home at a Washington DC memorial service for the Bali victims

I believe this took place in your national capital Canberra? I'm a wee rusty on Australia.

Not as bad as a friend of mine who thinks New Zealand is a Sydney suburb...:)

264 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:18:16am

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

she is the other white meat

265 jhrhv  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:20:29am

re: #260 Rustler

He does look a bit like one of those ventriloquist dummies. You could be onto something.

266 eon  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:22:01am

re: #256 Rustler

You won't see the real Obama until you realize there is no Obama. Only then will you realize its not Obama that changes every 3 seconds but rather our own perceptions changing.

Which would mean that his "policies" will be merely him parroting the prejudices of all his "advisors".

Hmm, let's see...

We have Stephen Chu at Energy who, after winning a Nobel Prize at Stanford for trapping atoms with a laser, spent five years at Lawrence Berkeley Labs gutting their nuclear research program, and producing nothing except "peer-reviewed" screeds about AGW. Aside from that, running DOE is a job for an engineer, not a theorist. (Having a physicist deciding how to meet our energy needs on a day-to-day basis makes about as much sense as having a physicist design a starship. Leah Brahms didn't do too well at that- check out stardestroyer.net for the gory details.) I don't expect much except California-style rolling blackouts from this guy and his minions.

Eric Holder over at Justice was rapped on the knuckles so many times by SCOTUS when he was Janet Reno's deputy that I'm sure a lot of legal scholars were going "Huh? What?" when The One tapped him for AG. About his only "qualification" for the job is his earnest desire to eat gun owners with Fava beans and a nice Chianti- which sort of flies in the face of The One's insistence that he "respects" the Second Amendment.

Janet Napolitano seems like a good choice for DHS- but the last time she had a confrontation with Mexico over illegal border crossings, she decided that being "unavailable" was a better course than actually backing up the National Guard troops she'd already sent to the state line. Add in the fact that she will be under the supervision of a former member of the National Council of La Raza, and I expect the border will continue to be a "safety valve" for Mexico's dis non-functional, kleptocratic "government". (Which seems to consist mainly of drug gangs these days, ala' Columbia in the Miami Vice days.)

Bill Richardson, former Governor, former Energy Secretary, at Health and Human Services will, I suspect, do for HHS what he did for DOE. Namely, gut it to remake it in his own image. For eight years under Clinton, Richardson stonewalled any improvements in this country's energy production/delivery system, and personally supervised a program of dismantling hydroelectric dams across the country at the behest of the environmentalist radicals (he was the one who coined the phrase, "to make rivers wild again"). And then, when the grid started to fail in the 2003-08 timeframe (most notably in California), he went on talk shows piously proclaiming, "we left the Bush administration a perfectly functioning power grid, and look what they've done to it, boo-hoo-hoo, sniff-sniff." I look for him to be similarly "effective" at HHS.

The moral being, the true index of what a POTUS will do is who gets appointed to the "nuts and bolts" Cabinet posts which do the day to day work. They are significantly more important domestically than who is Secretary of State, or National Security Advisor. Because they make the decisions which affect the everyday lives of Americans.

From what I can see, The Exalted One's choices for these "nuts and bolts" positions- are mainly nuts.

cheers

eon

267 jhrhv  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:22:23am

I've never got in on one of these open threads before. This is sort of therapeutic :). I'm glad I got my 2 cents worth out.

268 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:24:04am

re: #267 jhrhv

I've never got in on one of these open threads before. This is sort of therapeutic :). I'm glad I got my 2 cents worth out.

You owe us $.3 cents...:)

Image: lucy%20doctor%20stand.jpg

269 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:24:12am

re: #267 jhrhv

I've never got in on one of these open threads before. This is sort of therapeutic :). I'm glad I got my 2 cents worth out.

Opens are fun. Pretty much say what you want. If it interests people then it runs. Nothing to serious most of the time.

270 Luigi  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:26:21am

In approximately the same time frame as the Gaza war, the Ugandan Lord's Resistance Army rebels has massacred more than 400 people in the Democratic Republic of Congo. And I mean massacred, as in the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians.

[Link: news.google.com...]

There is no cause for their slaughter of civilians. And they are leaving behind a humanitarian crisis of substantial proportions.

The LRA actually does exactly what the world wrongly accuses Israel of doing. They are a real example of exactly that. And they do it within the same chronological time frame. And nobody pays any attention. It is not covered by the majors, or only in their back pages.

If you googlenews Ban Ki-moon there are about 37,000 articles on his statements on Gaza, and about eleven hundred on his statements on the real atrocities of the LRA.

I think Israel has to do what it has to do while staying out of the news. The news is a no-go zone for Israel, and that is not likely to change soon. As I said yesterday, the same weapon that was turned on Sarah Palin is now aimed at Israel. The more Israel is exposed in the media, the more sharply focused the weapon becomes, and the more damage it does. I know of no defense against it; certainly not the truth. The more the truth is on Israel's side, the louder and more shrill is the attack.

There is one way around the damaging media assault, and that would be deployment of their "Iron Dome" missile shield. Even if they could only swat down a significant percentage of incomings, that would do for Israel in their Hamas (and Hezbollah) situations what the security fence did for the West Bank -- create a boring news situation. Without rocket attacks Gaza can be managed from the air. Hamas can stew in its own juices and the media would not know how to handle it. When victims become losers, they don't even want the press.

271 Dom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:26:41am

re: #262 Aussie Stinger

Hamas English Website Forum:

[Link: www.almoltaqa.ps...]

Get in there and give 'em a piece of your mind!

Everything we say here, we can say directly to the bastards there!

Even if it just gets them down, it's worth it for sure.

I dinged it up but I have enough experience of wading into hardline waters to believe that while those sites are good for certain information, opposing comments lead to flame wars that, no matter how you choose to conduct your argument, make no difference to them at all. If they let you embed media you can mess with their heads a bit - I used to embed 1x1pixel YouTube videos featuring sex noises and the like on my signature on a similar website and they wouldn't know what invisible bug was causing these sounds on certain pages - but it was only safe for a few hours at a timeb or I'd have been caught out, bit of fun.

272 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:27:04am

re: #268 Dustyvet

You owe us $.3 cents...:) $.03

[Link: bltchemistry.base-hill.com...]

fixed that for you

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:27:16am
"His speech is clumsy, with a toadlike indolence, long winded, pedantic, choppy. The words tumble from his mouth in sentence fragments, which he holds back as much as possible, as if they were earning interest. It takes forever and a day for him to push out a clump of hardened brain snot. Then he writhes in painful ecstasy, as if he had sugar on his rotten teeth. A very slow blab machine. An obsolete model with a non-working switch— it can’t be turned off unless you cut off the electric power altogether. So I’d have to smash him in the kisser. No, I’d have to knock him unconscious. But even if he were unconscious he’d keep talking. Even if his vocal cords were sliced through, he’d keep talking like a ventriloquist. Even if his throat were cut and his head were chopped off, speech balloons would still dangle from his mouth like gases emitted by internal decay."

Well, that is kind of harsh.

274 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:27:51am

re: #260 Rustler

You may have just hit the nail on the head. Now I have to go to work.

Hope everyone has a good day and I will see you L8R.

275 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:27:58am

re: #263 Dustyvet

I believe this took place in your national capital Canberra? I'm a wee rusty on Australia.

Not as bad as a friend of mine who thinks New Zealand is a Sydney suburb...:)

I've just found Tommy Emmanuel singing Waltzing Matilda at the Washington DC memorial service

Canberra is our national capital! Well done :-)

276 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:30:22am

re: #275 aussiemagpie

I've just found Tommy Emmanuel singing Waltzing Matilda at the Washington DC memorial service

Canberra is our national capital! Well done :-)

Did I win a wombat? ...:)

277 ElChimpy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:31:05am

That Klaus Kinsky is a car wreck: Terrible but you cannot look away. Insulting the best director he has ever worked for. Klinsky, Cobra Verde, rocks.

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:32:38am

re: #275 aussiemagpie

Seriously. Y'all just made up words, right? The sillier, the better.

279 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:33:42am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hello f.b.v.

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:34:31am

re: #275 aussiemagpie

Can anybody explain how/why Tom Waits tossed Waltzing Matilda into Tom Traubert's Blues?

Never got it. Love it! But, just don't get it.

281 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:35:04am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously. Y'all just made up words, right? The sillier, the better.

Morning aussie. No offense but I hate Waltzing Matilda. I cringe every time I hear it. Not that SA have anything better.

282 jhrhv  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:35:45am

re: #266 eon

You seem to be wise in the ways of governing. Don't forget politician training.

1)Coat self in think but transparent layer of industrial strength Teflon.
2)Never do anything that can be tracked back to you.
3)Wear sunglasses and sit in the back with your head down so you won't get noticed.
4)When you get voted out and your do nothing waste money policy blows up on the incoming get stuff done government blame them for all your failures.

283 eon  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:36:22am

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, that is kind of harsh.

There's a reason Herzog's documentary about his long time working relationship with Kinski was titled My Best Fiend;


My Best Fiend (1999-German-British) C-95m ***1/2 D; Werner Herzog.
Klaus Kinski starred in many of Werner Herzog's most notable films, but his intensity, ego and near-demented behavior made the productions tough going for everyone; at times the director and star actually plotted to murder each other. Hosting this unique documentary, Herzog revisits the locations of his Kinski films, musing over the actor's bizarre behavior. Funny, insightful, touching and deeply engrossing, it can't really explain Kinski, but it's a grand journey. Claudia Cardinale and Eva Mattes are among those interviewed. (videocasette/laserdisc)

-Leonard Maltin's 2005 Movie Guide

Well, have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

284 Crux Australis  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:36:32am

re: #263 Dustyvet

Not as bad as a friend of mine who thinks New Zealand is a Sydney suburb...:)

LOL May as well be. There are a lot of Maoris living near me.

Actually there are more people living in Sydney than in all of New Zealand and the economy of only the western suburbs of Sydney is bigger than New Zealand's.

285 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:37:41am

re: #281 Erik The Red

Morning aussie. No offense but I hate Waltzing Matilda. I cringe every time I hear it. Not that SA have anything better.

286 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:38:18am

re: #285 Dustyvet

[Video]

Not even going there Dv.

287 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:38:29am

Good Morning Lizards. I hope one and all have recovered from any New Years festivities.

288 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:38:54am

re: #286 Erik The Red

Not even going there Dv.

It's not Waltzing Maltilda...:)

289 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:39:05am

re: #276 Dustyvet

Did I win a wombat? ...:)

No, just a Drop Bear :-)

290 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:39:06am

re: #287 Jetpilot1101

Good Morning Lizards. I hope one and all have recovered from any New Years festivities.

Morning Jp. The room is waking up.

291 Crux Australis  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:40:28am

re: #281 Erik The Red

Morning aussie. No offense but I hate Waltzing Matilda. I cringe every time I hear it. Not that SA have anything better.

I know how you feel. A song about a vagrant who steals sheep and then commits suicide to avoid arrest. Not a good image to portray to the rest of the world?

292 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:40:36am

re: #289 aussiemagpie

No, just a Drop Bear :-)

Nice fangs...:)

293 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:40:38am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously. Y'all just made up words, right? The sillier, the better.

Hi, and the words make total sense! (To us Aussies)

294 Aussie Stinger  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:41:08am

re: #271 Dom

I dinged it up but I have enough experience of wading into hardline waters to believe that while those sites are good for certain information, opposing comments lead to flame wars that, no matter how you choose to conduct your argument, make no difference to them at all. If they let you embed media you can mess with their heads a bit - I used to embed 1x1pixel YouTube videos featuring sex noises and the like on my signature on a similar website and they wouldn't know what invisible bug was causing these sounds on certain pages - but it was only safe for a few hours at a timeb or I'd have been caught out, bit of fun.

___

Yeah true. Well, can be a spot of fun at times.

Nevertheless, there are other things we can do to help Israel for sure.

I feel like when we're only hanging around here, talking amongst ourselves, that we're not really effecting any change.

Guys and gals, we can counter the media onslaught against Israel.

- Write a considered, well worded Letter to the Editor of mainstream newspapers. (I've already been published here in Oz)

- Call popular talkback radio stations
(not just Conservative ones)

- Send an email to your local Congressman or Member of Parliament.

If we ALL did it, or at least MOST of us, we can give Israel a voice. We can do something instead of sitting helpless.

While it's great that we share our beliefs here, it's just preaching to the converted.

Public opinion will determine international pressure on whether Israel is forced to stop.

295 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:41:24am

re: #285 Dustyvet

LOL

296 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:41:30am

re: #291 Crux Australis

I know how you feel. A song about a vagrant who steals sheep and then commits suicide to avoid arrest. Not a good image to portray to the rest of the world?

Shoot Straight you...oh never mind...:)

297 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:43:10am

wow, is that quite an piece. any idea who Kinsle was speaking of or was it in a written piece of his. morning lizards/lizardettes. Baileys in the corner here bring your own cup :>)

298 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:43:32am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can anybody explain how/why Tom Waits tossed Waltzing Matilda into Tom Traubert's Blues?

Never got it. Love it! But, just don't get it.

Goodness, haven't heard that one before - very creative I must say !

299 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:43:53am

re: #297 apachegunner He was Talking about Werner Herzog.

300 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:44:16am

re: #289 aussiemagpie

you forgot the Canberra version of the drop bear IT GOES FOR THE WALLET

301 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:44:42am

re: #298 aussiemagpie

Goodness, haven't heard that one before - very creative I must say !

You should hear my Grandson's version...:)

302 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:44:46am

hiya eric!

303 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:45:37am

re: #302 apachegunner

hiya eric!

Hey apache.

304 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:46:03am

re: #281 Erik The Red

Morning aussie. No offense but I hate Waltzing Matilda. I cringe every time I hear it. Not that SA have anything better.

Hi Erik! It's not everyone's favourite...but I do love it :-)

BTW I'm just putting together our survival pack to take to the cricket later today

305 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:46:43am

re: #299 Rustler

He was Talking about Werner Herzog.

morning Rustler. Herzog huh? I don't think I've ever seen his work :>(

306 BaseballMom57  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:47:01am

Good morning Lizards! Just stopped in for this, then I need to get ready for work.

I posted the Amber Alert for these two children last night, and thought I'd let you know the good news:

Children found safe after three N.C. slayings
Posted: 06:57 AM ET
(CNN) — Two children of a woman who was among three people found dead at a home near Asheville, North Carolina, were found safe Friday morning with their father in Taylorsville, police there said.

There was no immediate confirmation on what happened to the father, Richard Doughlas Heatwole, 45. Police earlier said he had abducted the children and that he should be considered armed and dangerous.

An Amber Alert issued Thursday for Haley Heatwole, 10, and Hayes Heatwole, 6, was cancelled early Friday after the children were found in Taylorsville, about 60 miles east of Asheville.

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:47:51am

re: #298 aussiemagpie

Goodness, haven't heard that one before - very creative I must say !

That means you aren't familiar with Tom Waits (who is entirely an acquired taste.

On Wiki, a critic is quote on Wait's voice, "(sounds) like it was soaked in a vat of bourbon, left hanging in the smokehouse for a few months, and then taken outside and run over with a car."

Just found an explaination for the song. He uses "Waltzing Matilda" as a metaphor for alcoholism. Huh.

308 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:48:27am

re: #304 aussiemagpie

Hi Erik! It's not everyone's favourite...but I do love it :-)

BTW I'm just putting together our survival pack to take to the cricket later today

Good luck. How many days are you going for? What is in the survival pack? Hope in has lots of booze and tissues./
I expect your boys to come back strong and hope SA is still not celebrating the series win.

309 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:51:03am

re: #300 yochanan

you forgot the Canberra version of the drop bear IT GOES FOR THE WALLET

LOL! Thanks for the laugh :-)

310 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:51:12am

re: #305 apachegunner
He was Kinski's most common director.

311 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:51:28am

re: #309 aussiemagpie

good evening aussie :>)

312 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:52:12am

re: #310 Rustler

He was Kinski's most common director.


did he do any stuff that a normal person might know of?

313 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:52:57am

Just had an idea for a remake of Dragnet, this time Sgt. Friday is an Australian, working the day watch on the robbery division of The Alice Springs PD...:)


"This is the Outback..."

Dum De Dum Dum...

314 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:54:27am

re: #312 apachegunner
Heres a link to his IMDB page. Not sure what he's done that can really be called mainstream.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:54:48am

Virginia Tech won the Orange Bowl last night. 20-7. Wasn't nearly that close. Just whooped up on 'em.

316 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:57:00am

Later Lizards. Going to the bar to kill what is left of my liver. Must make the most of it. I go on my annual booze sabbatical on Monday.
See you in a couple of hours.

317 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:57:11am

re: #313 Dustyvet So does Paul Hogan play Sgt Friday and recieve royalties on it from Subaru.

318 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:57:14am

Hey! re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

319 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:57:23am

re: #307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That means you aren't familiar with Tom Waits (who is entirely an acquired taste.

On Wiki, a critic is quote on Wait's voice, "(sounds) like it was soaked in a vat of bourbon, left hanging in the smokehouse for a few months, and then taken outside and run over with a car."

Just found an explaination for the song. He uses "Waltzing Matilda" as a metaphor for alcoholism. Huh.

I've heard him - but you're right I'm not that familiar with his music (OK my homework this weekend - listen to Tom Waits)

320 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 4:57:39am

re: #316 Erik The Red
cya

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:00:47am

re: #318 apachegunner

HI.

322 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:03:13am

re: #308 Erik The Red

Good luck. How many days are you going for? What is in the survival pack? Hope in has lots of booze and tissues./
I expect your boys to come back strong and hope SA is still not celebrating the series win.

Tissues
Book to read
Pillow
Radio
Booze smuggled in thermos :-)

We're hoping for a good day too, especially for Hayden if the Aussies win the toss

323 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:04:09am

re: #311 apachegunner

good evening aussie :>)

Hello to you too :-)

324 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:04:46am

re: #319 aussiemagpie

I've heard him - but you're right I'm not that familiar with his music (OK my homework this weekend - listen to Tom Waits)

Don't look now, but a Drop Bear just took off with your cricket bag...

325 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:05:28am

re: #309 aussiemagpie

WELL WE HAVE THE SAME THING IN THE STATES.

326 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:07:12am

GOOD MORNING F.B.V.

327 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:08:14am

re: #325 yochanan
Only here its called a Democrat.

328 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:08:19am

re: #313 Dustyvet

Just had an idea for a remake of Dragnet, this time Sgt. Friday is an Australian, working the day watch on the robbery division of The Alice Springs PD...:)


"This is the Outback..."

Dum De Dum Dum...

Hey you've hit on something there :-)

329 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:10:34am

There is something that the American west and Australian outback have in common. which makes us more alike than most other countries.

330 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:12:44am

in reality Canadians are more like us that they realize but they still have this eurocentric outlook. something the Yanks and Aussies have much less of.

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:13:46am

re: #326 yochanan

Hey! How are you? I asked the "Goddess" to add your son to the "LGF Prayers-Wishes-Good Thoughts" page. Hope that is okay with you.

332 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:13:55am

re: #329 yochanan

I do think all america loves the aussies, I always have and I have a great aussie friend, Von Erpsen, what a gas.

333 akak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:16:14am
Fatah leaders want to join Hamas

quack quack

send US Aid money quick

334 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:17:02am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

been a rough week between the one son in the I.D.F. and the other's son's wife having a preg. with complications and a induced delivery which at this time hasn't finished and i not knowing what the hell is going on with either of them. and not being able to do anything either.

335 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:17:23am

re: #333 akak

quack quack

send US Aid money quick

Take a number and get in line...

336 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:18:35am

re: #335 Dustyvet If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, Shoot it it's one of those new fangled duck imitators just dont eat it after.

337 Crux Australis  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:19:10am

I can't believe that the Australian government sent $5 million to the Palestinians. Why?

338 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:19:17am

re: #336 Rustler

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, Shoot it it's one of those new fangled duck imitators just dont eat it after.

Oh...Thanks...:)

339 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:20:03am

re: #336 Rustler

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, Shoot it it's one of those new fangled duck imitators just dont eat it after.

rustler you mean you ate one once? is this from personal experience?

340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:20:13am

re: #334 yochanan

Hows the DIL?

341 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:21:36am

really don't know all that much F.B.V. everytime i try to call the son he is always in a hurry or can't talk.

342 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:21:47am

re: #339 yochanan Yeah Duck imitators walk outta the muck that is Chicago politics and taste accordingly.

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:23:09am

Don't know how to feel about this...

9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

That is profiling. And profiling is WRONG RIGHT!

Fixed that for me.

344 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:24:09am

rustler it all depends on which end of the hog you get served, the pols seem to be getting rather fat from it. we of the fleeced classes not so much.

345 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:24:13am

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't know how to feel about this...

9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

That is profiling. And profiling is WRONG RIGHT!

Fixed that for me.

Bet Cair starts another John Doe Law Suit.

346 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:26:14am

re: #344 yochanan
Yeah i guess its a matter of taste I'm not to fond of caviar or other foods well liked by the elites either, maybe Muck Duck is an acquired taste.

347 Corona  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:27:10am
— Klaus Kinski, on Werner Herzog

Wow, the subtlety. I've seen and enjoyed Fitzcarraldo and Nosferatu. The Making Of Fitzcarraldo was also intriguing.

348 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:27:36am

re: #345 Dustyvet
No need the 29 year old Brother is a lawyer.

349 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:28:58am

the last time i took a flight i got the T.S.A. V.I.P. treatment. next time i might just take the train.

350 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:29:47am

Hell I wouldn't feel comfortable boarding a plane with a bunch of muslims talking about airport security arrangements either. 1 bad apple spoils the bunch but I have yet to see 1 good apple turn a barrel of bad apples good.

351 akak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:32:12am

re: #350 Rustler

Hell I wouldn't feel comfortable boarding a plane with a bunch of muslims talking about airport security arrangements either. 1 bad apple spoils the bunch but I have yet to see 1 good apple turn a barrel of bad apples good.

yeah those moderate muslim protests against Hamas are doing a great job aren't they?

352 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:33:56am

re: #351 akak
I still love the Harold and Kumar escape from Guantanamo bay seen with the paranoid old lady on the plane tho.

353 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:34:31am

re: #347 Corona

Wow, the subtlety. I've seen and enjoyed Fitzcarraldo and Nosferatu. The Making Of Fitzcarraldo was also intriguing.

reading about fitzcarraldo and find it quite interesting, where might it be available?

354 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:35:00am

re: #337 Crux Australis

I can't believe that the Australian government sent $5 million to the Palestinians. Why?

Hello Crux, and I'm dumbfounded at this stupid act

Of course the money will be used for humanitarian projects...

355 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:36:57am

re: #349 yochanan

Has your grandson been born yet?

356 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:37:13am

re: #353 apachegunner Amazon has it might be able to rent from netflix too.

357 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:38:03am

re: #354 aussiemagpie
Yep like the rebuilding of training facilities and storage facilities.

358 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:38:32am

re: #356 Rustler
thanks, we do Netflik and I'll look for it.

359 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:39:22am

re: #355 MandyManners In her post here she mentions delivary still not complete.

re: #334 yochanan

360 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:39:22am

re: #356 Rustler
it is english, right?

361 summergurl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:40:26am

re: #348 Rustler

No need the 29 year old Brother is a lawyer.

All but one of them were US born, after 9-11, any American, but especially Muslim Americans, should be very aware that discussing air plane safety and where to sit if a plane explodes is not a good topic to embark on where others can overhear.

Noticed they said the people were "paranoid"? I'll take paranoid and in one piece any ole day of the week over being pc and putting my life in danger.

362 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:41:29am

re: #360 apachegunner
Yes.

363 yochanan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:42:06am

re: #355 MandyManners

don't know doubt it

364 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:42:11am

re: #357 Rustler

Yep like the rebuilding of training facilities and storage facilities.

Hi, no,no,no...it's to help those poor women and babies who have been refugees for two generations!

365 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:42:13am

Hopefully link works Video blocked at work.

366 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:44:24am

re: #363 yochanan

Well, just hold on, GPa.

367 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:45:45am

thanks. see this is why I love the lizard kingdom. One learns so much here, every day. No wonder theres so many wanna be lizards. Fitzcarraldore: #362 Rustler

Yes.

368 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:46:01am

re: #361 summergurl

Bingo.

369 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:46:57am

re: #367 apachegunner
I tryed linked the Theatrical trailer above as well not sure it works tho had to mine the addy without opening because of websense.

370 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:47:34am

1st link worked, I can't get Utube either.

re: #369 Rustler

371 kcladderman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:48:36am

re: #357 Rustler

Yep like the rebuilding of training facilities and storage facilities.

We had a pro pali demonstration here in Kansas City yesterday. The organizer was on the news talking about the Israelis targeting civilians. Of course the numb nuts who was reporting just held the mic and let her spew her propaganda and misinformation. He finished his report with a little opinion about how the fighting will never stop until both sides get over their hatred of each other. Then went on to say both sides are hopeful that Obama can bring peace. Then closed with, but he doesn't take office for three weeks.
Started to yell but the kid was asleep and wife was in her sickbed so I just turned off the news. Probably just a coincidence that this was a CBS affiliate .

372 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:49:04am

re: #370 apachegunner
Probably cause I screwed up transcribing the addy like I said stupid work blocks everything so I had to try without opening the page.

373 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:49:51am

re: #371 kcladderman

*spit

374 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:50:10am

re: #371 kcladderman
Just wait til the dear leader bails out the media and Gaza.

375 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:50:17am

re: #372 Rustler
you did well :>)

376 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:51:41am

Hmmm...No guns, no boobs, and only moderate drinking. Is everyone hung over? Oh, and G'Morning Lizard Nation...:>)

377 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:52:21am

re: #376 Pietr
mornin pietr

378 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:52:53am

re: #377 apachegunner

mornin pietr

we were discussing Fitzcarraldo

379 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:53:15am

re: #376 Pietr Kcladderman has enough boob in his post for 2 or 3 threads worth.
re: #371 kcladderman

Oh wait you mean Mammories.

380 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:55:31am

re: #379 Rustler

Obvioiusly, mammary failed you, Rustler...Heh Heh.

381 Rustler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:55:36am

relief here later all

382 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:56:42am

Good Morning LGF.

383 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:56:47am

re: #381 Rustler

Enjoy your downtime, Rustler.

384 irish rose  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:57:13am

Good morning, lizards.
First login in 2009.

Had a great time on New Years eve, but made the mistake of overdoing it on the wine and champagne.

Oy, what a hangover I had yesterday...

385 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:58:09am

re: #382 Spare O'Lake


I just noticed, Spare O'Lake-your initials are S O L...coinkydink?

386 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:59:36am

re: #382 Spare O'Lake

hi

387 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:59:48am

re: #384 irish rose
hello irish

388 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:01:00am

re: #385 Pietr

I just noticed, Spare O'Lake-your initials are S O L...coinkydink?

It was not intelligently designed. LOL.

389 irish rose  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:01:02am

re: #387 apachegunner

hello irish

Hello, and a very good morning to ya.

390 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:02:54am

re: #378 apachegunner

we were discussing Fitzcarraldo

I played the one trailer on it, gunner. I can't say I've seen the film though.

391 Cato  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:04:26am

Hamas supporters in Fort Lauderdale

392 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:09:40am

A belated happy new year, Lizard Nation!

Israel's Policy Is Perfectly 'Proportionate'
Alan Dershowitz


Hamas are the real war criminals in this conflict.

Israel's actions in Gaza are justified under international law, and Israel should be commended for its self-defense against terrorism. Article 51 of the United Nations Charter reserves to every nation the right to engage in self-defense against armed attacks. The only limitation international law places on a democracy is that its actions must satisfy the principle of proportionality.

Since Israel ended its occupation of Gaza, Hamas has fired thousands of rockets designed to kill civilians into southern Israel. The residents of Sderot -- which have borne the brunt of the attacks -- have approximately 15 seconds from launch time to run into a shelter. Although deliberately targeting civilians is a war crime, terrorists firing at Sderot are so proud of their actions that they sign their weapons.

When Barack Obama visited Sderot this summer and saw the remnants of these rockets, he reacted by saying that if his two daughters were exposed to rocket attacks in their home, he would do everything in his power to stop such attacks. He understands how the terrorists exploit the morality of democracies.

Not to be bossy, but...read it all! :~)

393 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:11:08am

re: #392 loppyd

A belated happy new year, Lizard Nation!

Israel's Policy Is Perfectly 'Proportionate'
Alan Dershowitz


Not to be bossy, but...read it all! :~)

And a happy New year to you Lopps!

394 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:12:35am

re: #393 Bloodnok

And a happy New year to you Lopps!

Thank you!

Did you brave the elements and go out?

I've always been a fan of staying in and having a quiet night...which is exactly what we did.

395 Jim in virginia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:15:25am

re: #379 Rustler

Kcladderman has enough boob in his post for 2 or 3 threads worth.
re: #371 kcladderman

Oh wait you mean Mammories.

reminds me of Barbara Streisand's song from The Way We Were:

/cue music...

Mammaries...light the corners of my mind
Misty water colored mammaries...
396 Irish Rose  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:16:33am
When Barack Obama visited Sderot this summer and saw the remnants of these rockets, he reacted by saying that if his two daughters were exposed to rocket attacks in their home, he would do everything in his power to stop such attacks. He understands how the terrorists exploit the morality of democracies.

I'll believe it when I see it.

397 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:17:14am

Well good morning y'all - from a cold (34 degrees, going up to 50 degrees with a lot of rain in the forecast) overcast and cloudy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

398 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:17:49am
Mammaries...light the corners of my mind
Misty water colored mammaries...


re: #395 Jim in virginia

The breast of Streisand album, huh? Too bad she's such a boob politically...:>)

399 Jim in virginia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:18:01am

realwest!
Como esta, mi amigo?

400 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:18:11am

I had a cold so's I stayed in (well, have -b*stard won't go away). I don't think I would have gone out though. I'm not that old, but I'm feeling my age when I go out these days!

401 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:18:26am

re: #397 {realwest}

Well good morning y'all - from a cold (34 degrees, going up to 50 degrees with a lot of rain in the forecast) overcast and cloudy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

Happy New Year, handsome!

I would kill for 34 going up to 50 today! It's f-ing freezing on Boston's North Shore again today.

402 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:19:13am

re: #397 realwest

Mornin', RW. San Antone is 49F right now, but we're supposed to make the 70's later...

403 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:19:41am

re: #400 Bloodnok

I had a cold so's I stayed in (well, have -b*stard won't go away). I don't think I would have gone out though. I'm not that old, but I'm feeling my age when I go out these days!

I'm not that old either, but I can relate. The BF has been bar tending for extra money and he feels ancient serving drinks to kids born while we were in high school!

404 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:20:29am

Gov. Palin rises to defense of grandson’s father


ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Gov. Sarah Palin spent part of Wednesday countering what she considers inaccurate descriptions of how much education her daughter’s fiance has, an effort culminating at the end of the day with her first public statement about her new grandson.

Palin was in touch with a celebrity magazine, a national news service and the Anchorage Daily News to question reports that her future son-in-law, Levi Johnston, is a dropout.

405 Jim in virginia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:20:55am

re: #402 PietrPietr, have you had snow this year?
I was in SA in 1986 when they got a 12" snowfall.
Ah, global climate change.

406 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:22:12am

re: #392 loppyd

A belated happy new year, Lizard Nation!

Israel's Policy Is Perfectly 'Proportionate'
Alan Dershowitz


Not to be bossy, but...read it all! :~)

Israeli intelligence learned that a family's house in Gaza was being used to manufacture rockets. The Israeli military gave the residents 30 minutes to leave. Instead, the owner called Hamas, which sent mothers carrying babies to the house.

Hamas knew that Israel would never fire at a home with civilians in it. They also knew that if Israeli authorities did not learn there were civilians in the house and fired on it, Hamas would win a public relations victory by displaying the dead. Israel held its fire. The Hamas rockets that were protected by the human shields were then used against Israeli civilians.

SNIP

How did Israel know that those mothers w/ babies would show up? Is their intel that good? If so, I hope they will know where every Hamas leader/lieutenant is when they go in on the ground and will eliminate every single one of them. No quarter.

Happy New Year to you, too!

407 Irish Rose  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:22:22am

re: #402 Pietr

Mornin', RW. San Antone is 49F right now, but we're supposed to make the 70's later...

My USMC son is home on leave, and he brought his lovely lady friend home with him to meet the family. She's lived in LA all of her life, and this is her first exposure to snow and the realities of a Northern winter.

Last time I asked, she told me that she was wearing three layers... and she's still cold.

408 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:22:27am

No good deed goes unpunished...

Man tries to deter drunk driving with paintballs


KENNEWICK, Wash. — A man in Washington state who reportedly told police he was trying to deter a friend from driving drunk by blasting the friend’s windshield with paintballs wound up in jail.
409 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:23:10am

re: #396 Irish Rose

I'll believe it when I see it.

I tend to think that was for the consumption of American Jews.

410 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:24:41am

re: #391 Cato

Its interesting how the one Hamas supporter being interviewed was speaking about how we (infidels) will accept the "peaceful religion of Islam once we realize it is part of our nature" when earlier one Hamas demonstrator was yelling at the Jewish supporters "you need an oven, thats what you need"

BTW this is my christmas present from my dad

fun fun fun

411 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:25:09am

re: #405 Jim in virginia

Pietr, have you had snow this year?
I was in SA in 1986 when they got a 12" snowfall.
Ah, global climate change.

No measurable snow in about 9-10 years. They had a dusting north of us in December. But, I've probably run the heat 2/3's of the evenings (and some days), since about Oct 5th-that's more than I've run it 'total' in the last 10 years...

412 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:25:21am

re: #406 MandyManners

SNIP

How did Israel know that those mothers w/ babies would show up? Is their intel that good? If so, I hope they will know where every Hamas leader/lieutenant is when they go in on the ground and will eliminate every single one of them. No quarter.

Happy New Year to you, too!

I'm with you, Mandy!

413 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:26:22am

re: #408 loppyd

No good deed goes unpunished...

Man tries to deter drunk driving with paintballs

A paint-ball gun is a weapon? As far as the designated driver, those things must be set up in advance. Would the cops have been pleased if the driver had crashed and hurt someone?! Pinheads.

414 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:26:24am

re: #403 loppyd

I'm not that old either, but I can relate. The BF has been bar tending for extra money and he feels ancient serving drinks to kids born while we were in high school!

I swear this whole city is between 21 and 24...

415 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:27:51am

re: #399 Jim in virginia
Muy bien, gracias, y tu?

Actually pretty exciting day around here - got a recording from our little town's police department stating that a bank at xxx,xxx pkwy (which is OUR branch bank) had been robbed by a "white male, 5'5" To 5'6", wearing a ski mask and latex gloves and armed with a handgun and was last seen headed for our apartment complex and if we saw him not to approach him because he was armed and considered dangerous and to just call the XXX Police Department.!"
So naturally I start looking out the windows to see if I can see anyone, and while I'm looking out one set of windows, mom is closing the blinds on the others! LOL!
Anyway, that was enough excitement for the day for me, thankew very much!

416 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:28:53am

re: #413 MandyManners

A paint-ball gun is a weapon? As far as the designated driver, those things must be set up in advance. Would the cops have been pleased if the driver had crashed and hurt someone?! Pinheads.

Not sure about WA, but in MA the gun offense would carry a more severe sentence than the DUI. That being said, MA has one of the toughest drive driving laws in the country. Go figure...

417 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:29:09am

re: #401 loppyd
Hey {loppyd} good looking! How cold is it up by you? Do y'all have any snow in the forecast (or coming down?!)? Happy New Year to you,too!

418 loppyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:29:40am

re: #414 Bloodnok

I swear this whole city is between 21 and 24...

LOL! Those were the days...

419 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:30:29am

re: #402 Pietr
Morning back atcha Pietr - that's almost pleasant weather for me ( I prefer 60 for a low and 75 or so for a high!). How are you doing otherwise?

420 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:31:10am

re: #416 loppyd

Not sure about WA, but in MA the gun offense would carry a more severe sentence than the DUI. That being said, MA has one of the toughest drive driving laws in the country. Go figure...

I wonder what the suspect's previous charge was.

I hope he gets off with probation and, if he also was drunk, maybe some alcohol classes.

421 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:33:53am

re: #410 bellamags


Nice firearm! My weapons all got turned over to my daughter and SIL, years back. I wanted to be sure they were protected, and that the weapons passed down. Now the Missus wants me to get a handgun again, for home defense. Not wanting to go expensive, I'm going to see if H&R still makes their .22 revolver. It had a 9 shell cylinder, and was supposed to take .22 shorts/longs/long rifle AND Magnum-I only fired longs thru it, for rat hunting. .22 Mag ammo is easy to get as well...

422 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:34:18am

re: #407 Irish Rose
Good morning Rose - Happy New Year - I know how your son's GF feels - now that I've been down south here for almost three years, if the temp drops below 50 degrees I put on another layer, 35 degrees a third and the heat and any lower I rush to turn on the heat and jump back - well, ok, get back as quickly as I can - into bed with the sheet, thermal blanket and Duvet on top of me! LOL!

423 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:35:35am

re: #410 bellamags
Ooooh, nice! Say, does he want to adopt an older guy?! LOL!

424 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:37:25am

Good morning, {all y'all} and belated Happy New Year!

425 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:37:40am
426 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:37:52am

re: #419 realwest

Can't complain, RW-we aren't far enough into the new year for me to say whether it'll be good or bad...LOL.

427 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:39:49am

Greets and saluts and a happy, healthy, safe and prosperous New Year to the lizard minions!

The new year is starting off the same way that it ended for Gaza - with Israel continuing to pound Gazan terrorists and their weapons caches. The usual suspects are busy complaining about Israel's response; the media continues to play up the fact that Israel is attacking homes and mosques all while ignoring that both are used by Hamas to hide, plot terror attacks, and store weapons and equipment.

The anti-Israel demonstrations around the world reveal nothing new - it's the same anti-Israel sentiment as always - the demonstrators hate Israel when Israel does nothing and when Israel responds in self-defense. The anti-war demonstrators are silent about Hamas precipitating the conflict, but demand Israel stop responding.

It's anti-Semitism and a need to see Israel destroyed. Nothing less.

428 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:39:49am

re: #421 Pietr

re: #423 realwest

Thanks. RW - he would love to have a son! LOL

429 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:40:14am

re: #416 loppyd

Not sure about WA, but in MA the gun offense would carry a more severe sentence than the DUI. That being said, MA has one of the toughest drive driving laws in the country. Go figure...

Well I gotta tell ya, I think folks who are really loaded (you know the kind, he or she had twice the blood alcohol level allowed by law) and drive a car anyway, ought to spend some time in the county lockup and lose his/her license for a year or so. I've lost some friends to drunk drivers and take no pity on them at all.
And if this paint gun guy was his friend and trying to get him not to drive, then either the dude was really drunk or the paint gun guy was!

430 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:41:02am
431 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:42:09am

re: #424 redstateredneck
Hey there {red} - Happy New Year to you, too! How's it going today?

432 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:42:36am

re: #430 Iron Fist

Holder is an atrocious pick for AG. The Republicans should filibuster him. I suspect that that is why Obama tapped him: if he sails through comformation, Obama will have learned how far his control really reaches. OTOH, if the Republicans do block him he can nominate anyone to the Right of Stalin, and still honestly say that he changed his position to the better

Niccolo, is that you?

433 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:44:03am

re: #431 realwest

Hey there {red} - Happy New Year to you, too! How's it going today?

Had to come into work.
:-(
Not much going on here, though, so I should be able to play a lot today!

434 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:44:10am

re: #425 ploome hineni
Morning ploome - say, would those "hostages" in Gaza be the same ones that elected Hamas with an overwhelming majority of the vote a couple years back?!
*spit*

435 Macker  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:44:45am

re: #395 Jim in virginia

Man, such huge ta-tas Barbra had, but what a moonbat!

436 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:44:57am

CAIR is about to get busy.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

437 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:45:13am

Good morning all. Checking in from chilly central Ontario here. How is everyone this morning?

438 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:45:57am

re: #428 bellamags
Oh, good, where do I apply? LOL! That is a sweet looking .45!
Woulda come in handy if our local armed bank robber had run into our apartment complex,too!

439 Hard Right  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:45:59am

re: #435 Macker

Man, such huge ta-tas Barbra had, but what a moonbat!

They don't look so good now. They point straight down. Ick.

440 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:46:23am

Just got home from the Philly airport - put one daughter back on the plane to Wyoming - while MR DT took the other daughter for her driver's test. She didn't pass - hit a cone. So now I have an unhappy teenager who has to wait 2 weeks to try again. I'm rather relieved.

441 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:46:53am

re: #392 loppyd

A belated happy new year, Lizard Nation!
Israel's Policy Is Perfectly 'Proportionate'
Alan Dershowitz

Not to be bossy, but...read it all! :~)

If the likely physical location of a missile-firing terrorist with blood on his hands can be identified then surely that location is a legitimate target, regardless of whether or not there happen to be innocent civilians there as well.
Otherwise, terrorists can fire the missiles at Israeli civilian targets and then after their bloody work is done for the day, they can go home to the wives and kids and have a nice relaxing evening at home.
I don't think so.

442 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:48:19am

re: #437 BlueCanuck
Good morning Blue other than an armed robber runnin' around our garden apartment complex...say, ain't you supposed to be on the night shift here? Whaddya mean "good morning? - where ya been?! LOL!

443 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:49:54am

Hi, Lizard Nation!

Hope you're all well!

In case you haven't seen this yet, here's a new blog:
[Link: idfspokesperson.com...]

Title says it all - some pretty good new IDF videos on it.

Do the FMSM actually report about all these secondary explosions? Or how many are killed or injured by those explosions as opposed to IAF strikes?

Didn't think so ...

Btw - to counter all the seething-after-Friday-paryers, I'm in seething mode as well!

444 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:50:41am

Good Morning Lizards! TGIF
Looks like I survived NYE. Amazing if you ask me.. :)

445 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:51:10am

re: #443 yma o hyd
Good afternoon {yma} well don't tell us, get out there and seethe in public (call the Beeb first, of course!)!
:)

446 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:51:10am
447 saylorfam  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:51:39am

Happy New Year everybody. Here's hoping this is better than last. I am at work and it is VERY quiet. At least it will be somewhat relaxing.
Getting the damned cold that it going around and feel like my head is inflated.

448 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:51:50am

re: #444 HoosierHoops
Hey there Hoops - why surprising that you survived NY Eve anyway?!

449 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:52:51am

re: #410 bellamags

Its interesting how the one Hamas supporter being interviewed was speaking about how we (infidels) will accept the "peaceful religion of Islam once we realize it is part of our nature" when earlier one Hamas demonstrator was yelling at the Jewish supporters "you need an oven, thats what you need"

BTW this is my christmas present from my dad

fun fun fun

What an amzing coincidence! I have that exact model!

450 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:52:54am
451 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:53:35am

re: #427 lawhawk

Greets and saluts and a happy, healthy, safe and prosperous New Year to the lizard minions!

The new year is starting off the same way that it ended for Gaza - with Israel continuing to pound Gazan terrorists and their weapons caches. The usual suspects are busy complaining about Israel's response; the media continues to play up the fact that Israel is attacking homes and mosques all while ignoring that both are used by Hamas to hide, plot terror attacks, and store weapons and equipment.

The anti-Israel demonstrations around the world reveal nothing new - it's the same anti-Israel sentiment as always - the demonstrators hate Israel when Israel does nothing and when Israel responds in self-defense. The anti-war demonstrators are silent about Hamas precipitating the conflict, but demand Israel stop responding.

It's anti-Semitism and a need to see Israel destroyed. Nothing less.

More's the pity that such anti-semitic protests actually take place in israel itself:
Left-wing activists arrested after attempting to block entrance to Sde Dov military airfield in bid to prevent pilots from 'taking off to bombard Gaza civilians'.

452 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:53:40am

re: #446 Iron Fist
Good morning bro' - say that's a nice .45, too - but alas it's out of stock (and I have a feeling it's gonna be out of stock for awhile the way gun and ammo sales have been going!). Happy New Year to ya!

453 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:54:33am

well i am seething with ya Yma re: #443 yma o hyd

454 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:54:52am

Good morning and happy new year to all of Lizardom.
We saw Valkyrie, yesterday. It was actually very good, and a hearty pppssbbbttt to all the critics who panned it. It shows that there were a few Germans leaders who actually stuck out their necks to kill Hitler, and how the cowardice and duplicity of others destroyed what little chance they had to succeed. Not a great movie, but very watchable.

455 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:54:54am

re: #448 realwest
morning RW, good to seeya

456 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:55:02am

re: #447 saylorfam
Hey there! ZINC. Take loads of Zinc and Vitamin C and it ought to shorten the length of time you have that damn cold from two weeks to about 14 days (h/t, Mark Twain)!

457 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:55:14am

re: #443 yma o hyd


Interesting looking site...I've booked it and hope it gets some comments soon...thanks

458 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:55:33am

re: #454 Golem Akbar
yes, worth a cd wait i suppose

459 SurferDoc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:55:59am

Good Morning from the lovely Mojave Desert! How is everyone doing?

460 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:56:12am

re: #456 realwest

Hey there! ZINC. Take loads of Zinc and Vitamin C and it ought to shorten the length of time you have that damn cold from two weeks to about 14 days (h/t, Mark Twain)!


use Zicam, its the very best. knocks em out quickly

461 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:56:25am
462 rw in san diego  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:56:28am

Good morning, everybody. I wish you all a healthy and happy new year.

463 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:56:30am

re: #459 SurferDoc
doc

464 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:56:56am

re: #445 realwest

Good afternoon {yma} well don't tell us, get out there and seethe in public (call the Beeb first, of course!)!
:)

Hiya, {rw}!

I'm seething all over the comments pages - nothing ever gets published, while the 'defenders' of Hamas are allowed full rein.

Still, a granny gotta do what a granny gotta do ...

465 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:56:59am

re: #462 rw in san diego
oh no! another rw, whats one to do?

466 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:57:59am

re: #451 yma o hyd
Holy Crap - those were ISRAELI'S protesting the IAF bombings! Where the fuck were they when Hamas was chucking rockets and mortars into Israel?
What is WRONG with these people?

467 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:58:44am

re: #461 Iron Fist

Yeah, no one can accuse the One of being stupid. A neo-communist terrorist hugging narcisist with delusions of grandure, sure. He's that in spades. But he's not stupid.

RACIST!

Is he really that smart or does Soros have someone next to him?

468 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:00:57am

re: #443 yma o hyd

Hi, Lizard Nation!

Hope you're all well!

In case you haven't seen this yet, here's a new blog:
[Link: idfspokesperson.com...]

Title says it all - some pretty good new IDF videos on it.

Do the FMSM actually report about all these secondary explosions? Or how many are killed or injured by those explosions as opposed to IAF strikes?

Didn't think so ...

Btw - to counter all the seething-after-Friday-paryers, I'm in seething mode as well!

When will the destructive impact of media distortion be recognized? If they but reported things accurately, it would be hard for Hamas, et al, to feign righteousness and continue with their sordid murder.

469 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:01:44am

re: #453 apachegunner

well i am seething with ya Yma

Thanks - seething just jumped up a level after I read bellamags quote further up, about some protesters telling Jews they need an oven.
Why can't we let people who say such things (and Hamas in general) ahve a nice extended holiday in one of those camps - no ovens, just for them to try staying alive under the same 'living' conditions the Nazis imposed on Jews.

470 SurferDoc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:02:07am

re: #466 realwest

Holy Crap - those were ISRAELI'S protesting the IAF bombings! Where the fuck were they when Hamas was chucking rockets and mortars into Israel?
What is WRONG with these people?

I guess Israel has it's nutballs too...

471 SueG  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:02:28am

It's funny to realize that while I'm awake already for several hours elsewhere in the world people just woke up are going to bed again.

May I wake you up or let you go to sleep with a glimpse of daily life in Gaza, dated December 3rd, 2008:

472 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:03:09am

re: #442 realwest

Hey, even I deserve some time off. :) Spending the first part of the new year with friends and family. Just getting ready to go to my mom's to start saving old family pictures.

/guess you can say this is a snowmobile by. . . .
//two feet of hydric acid crystals up here still from previous dumpings.

473 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:03:12am

re: #450 Iron Fist

Bigger is not necessarily better. Personally, I wouldn't fuck Streisand with your dick. There's no telling where that thing has been...

Good grief... how old is Barbara Streisand?
Does she still engage in aerobic nocturnal activities?
She must be old enough to be a good candidate for the osteoporosis watch list.
Streisand and sex should not be mentioned in the same sentence.

474 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:03:23am

re: #466 realwest

Holy Crap - those were ISRAELI'S protesting the IAF bombings! Where the fuck were they when Hamas was chucking rockets and mortars into Israel?
What is WRONG with these people?

They are moonbats - the same that is wrong with all moonbats.
Police 'detained' them ...

475 SueG  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:03:42am

Charles, I really like this embedded youtube video tool.

476 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:04:23am

re: #446 Iron Fist

Now that is a nice weapon. I've about decided that some form of Kimber is in my near future. I like the Raptor. When given a choice I prefer to go with stainless steel. I alsoprefer double-stack .45s, but I don't think Kimber makes a double-stack gun.

That gun looks very similar to the Kimber. The Kimber has a very easy trigger. It is easy to shoot.

477 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:05:21am

re: #468 legalpad

When will the destructive impact of media distortion be recognized? If they but reported things accurately, it would be hard for Hamas, et al, to feign righteousness and continue with their sordid murder.

Israel herself would have to organize a monster PR campaign somehow to get the tide turned...ironically so much of the truth just sits here on the internet yet people refuse to seek it out...it's willful ignorance and there is probably no cure...Israel will just have to move foreward hounded by all the lies and half truths...

478 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:05:28am

re: #466 realwest

Holy Crap - those were ISRAELI'S protesting the IAF bombings! Where the fuck were they when Hamas was chucking rockets and mortars into Israel?
What is WRONG with these people?

Here's a moonbat who is actually starting to see reality. Maybe there is hope.

479 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:06:13am

re: #467 MandyManners

RACIST!

Is he really that smart or does Soros have someone next to him?

I was wondering if that'd bite Iron Fist in the butt...LOL. I mispelled reneging, wondering about Obama the other day-FBV was kind enough to correct me. I believe he also advised me to watch out even voicing that word around BO and his followers...Heh Heh

PS: spell check did not correct my mispelling...LOL

480 rw in san diego  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:06:23am

re: #465 apachegunner

oh no! another rw, whats one to do?

Don't worry, the 'real' rw and I are cool with it.

Real, are you here this morning? Wishing you and your mother a healthy and happy new year.

481 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:06:25am

re: #449 legalpad

What an amzing coincidence! I have that exact model!

I haven't fired it with ammo yet. I am going this weekend and I hope to have fired enough ammo to get the gun powder booger thing. I know that was totally gross. How does it fire?

482 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:07:11am
483 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:08:07am

re: #436 shanec99

CAIR is about to get busy.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Well what do you know...

AirTran Passengers Cry Discrimination

...Some of the nine passengers who were not allowed back on that flight said they feel they were profiled because of their religion. According to the Council on American Islamic Relations known as CAIR, the Muslims were also refused rebooking with the airline.

484 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:08:08am

re: #454 Golem Akbar
Hey, Thanks for the review Golem! But at $10 a ticket, I want a VERY GOOD movie to go see! LOL!

485 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:08:11am

At least 'The Times' (London) had this as headline on their printed paper today:
Gaza rockets put Israel’s nuclear plant in battle zone

But there are still people pooh-poohing Hamas' capabilities, its unbelievable!

(And, no, my comment there didn't make it past the censor's beady eyes ...!)

486 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:08:58am

re: #455 apachegunner
Good morning Guns, good to see you, too! How are ya doing?

487 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:09:27am

What have we been hearing over and over about the Madoff scandal? If something sounds too good to be true - it usually is. I've started applying that same phrase to Obama when posting on news websites:

Obama is too good to be true - and the majority of the American people have fallen for his scam in spite of the fact that he has

No governing experience,
No military experience,
No business experience,
No energy experience,
No foreign policy nor foreign trade experience, and
No corruption-fighting experience!

Gavin de Becker, who wrote the "Gfit of Fear,"in describing how to spot criminals before they victimize you said that the error people make is that they look for something familiar in a person, and once they find that something, they feel good about him, and disregard any information that would alter that initial judgement.

Instead, when hiring an employee or babysitter, or president, people should be looking for things that would DIS-qualify them. Instead they tend to do the option focusing on the things that qualify him.

488 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:09:59am

Now that is an insult! Upding!

Good Morning Lizards!

Just a quick drop in while my wife gets ready to go out. We have dropped the rugrat off at daycare and are going to have a day to ourselves. Eat lunch someplace nice in relative peace and quiet. Maybe go to a movie. Who knows, I might even get lucky!

489 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:10:05am

re: #478 Alouette

Here's a moonbat who is actually starting to see reality. Maybe there is hope.

excellent...at least he has confidence in a publicity blitz...Isarel should at least try rather than give up

490 Salamantis  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:10:07am

Charles:

You know how you allow ding reversals on thread comments. Can you please also allow it on spinoffs?

491 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:10:16am

re: #481 bellamags

I haven't fired it with ammo yet. I am going this weekend and I hope to have fired enough ammo to get the gun powder booger thing. I know that was totally gross. How does it fire?

Shoots just fine. Very accurate. It used to have jamming problems, though, until my son sent it off the Kimber.

492 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:10:24am

re: #446 Iron Fist

Now that is a nice weapon. I've about decided that some form of Kimber is in my near future. I like the Raptor. When given a choice I prefer to go with stainless steel. I alsoprefer double-stack .45s, but I don't think Kimber makes a double-stack gun.

I know my last reply sounded dumb. I meant to say it looks a lot like the .45 I got. Maybe a little smaller?

493 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:10:39am

re: #462 rw in san diego
Hi there rw! A Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to you! How are things going for you so far this year?!?

494 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:10:52am

re: #487 DistantThunder

Yeah, but he gives good teleprompter

495 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:11:17am

re: #473 shanec99

Good grief... how old is Barbara Streisand?
Does she still engage in aerobic nocturnal activities?
She must be old enough to be a good candidate for the osteoporosis watch list.
Streisand and sex should not be mentioned in the same sentence.

MY SIL loves to regale us with tales of how noble BABS hangs out her laundry in her yard to dry in order to save the planet, and BABS advocates for others to follow her saintly example.

496 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:11:20am

re: #465 apachegunner
ahem, Worship us BOTH! LOL!

497 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:11:45am

re: #488 Ford_Prefect

Hey Ford - good morning and I hope your holidays went well.

498 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:11:46am

re: #454 Golem Akbar

Good morning and happy new year to all of Lizardom.
We saw Valkyrie, yesterday. It was actually very good, and a hearty pppssbbbttt to all the critics who panned it. It shows that there were a few Germans leaders who actually stuck out their necks to kill Hitler, and how the cowardice and duplicity of others destroyed what little chance they had to succeed. Not a great movie, but very watchable.

I haven't seen the movie, but it's curious that the plotters were more interested in getting Hitler out of the way so that they could possibly achieve victory rather than piddle away resources and imagine campaigns that had no chance to success. None spoke out against the use of entire divisions of troops to carry out the genocide of millions.

The assassination plots were too little, too late. There was indeed duplicity and cowardice involved, but it is so much more than just a bomb plot that didn't go off as planned.

499 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:12:56am

So far, not a good year. Got the full blown flu for New Year's. Got fired from my oh-so-skilled dishwashing job. Sometimes you just wanna change your nic to "Worthlessgoddamnpieceofshit"

500 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:12:59am

re: #470 SurferDoc
Oh sure, but these nutballs could very well be KILLED by the people they're trying to protect! That's just sick!

501 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:13:22am

God damn it all

502 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:13:24am

re: #497 bellamags

Hey Ford - good morning and I hope your holidays went well.

Morning bella. They did, and you? Sounds like you got a new toy.

503 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:13:39am

re: #477 albusteve

Israel herself would have to organize a monster PR campaign somehow to get the tide turned...ironically so much of the truth just sits here on the internet yet people refuse to seek it out...it's willful ignorance and there is probably no cure...Israel will just have to move foreward hounded by all the lies and half truths...

The media fools claim to be for peace but they promote war through their distortions. It was part of the reason the Iraq war went on for so long. If the world was mostly unanimous as to who is doing what, things would be wrapped up a lot quicker and far fewer would die.

504 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:15:08am
505 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:15:13am

re: #474 yma o hyd

They are moonbats - the same that is wrong with all moonbats.
Police 'detained' them ...

What else should they do with them?

506 SurferDoc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:15:26am

re: #487 DistantThunder

What have we been hearing over and over about the Madoff scandal? If something sounds too good to be true - it usually is. I've started applying that same phrase to Obama when posting on news websites:

Obama is too good to be true - and the majority of the American people have fallen for his scam in spite of the fact that he has

No governing experience,
No military experience,
No business experience,
No energy experience,
No foreign policy nor foreign trade experience, and
No corruption-fighting experience!

Gavin de Becker, who wrote the "Gfit of Fear,"in describing how to spot criminals before they victimize you said that the error people make is that they look for something familiar in a person, and once they find that something, they feel good about him, and disregard any information that would alter that initial judgement.

Instead, when hiring an employee or babysitter, or president, people should be looking for things that would DIS-qualify them. Instead they tend to do the option focusing on the things that qualify him.

"Gift of Fear" is an amazing book. Gavin de Becker just may be a genius.

507 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:15:37am

Speaking of insults...I have always kind of liked this one:

Charming man. I wish I had a daughter so I could forbid her to marry one...
--Arthur Dent

(Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy)

508 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:15:52am

re: #479 Pietr

I was wondering if that'd bite Iron Fist in the butt...LOL. I mispelled reneging, wondering about Obama the other day-FBV was kind enough to correct me. I believe he also advised me to watch out even voicing that word around BO and his followers...Heh Heh

PS: spell check did not correct my mispelling...LOL

Watch out for the dastardly niggardly.

509 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:16:01am

re: #471 SueG
Crap. SueG thank you for the video, but daily life in Gaza ought to be full of folks headed for air raid shelters, IMO.
Wonder how much truth we're getting about the IAF's strikes on Gaza? Those "palestinians" sure didn't looke worried, nor out of food, either.

510 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:16:08am

re: #499 Taqiyyotomist

So far, not a good year. Got the full blown flu for New Year's. Got fired from my oh-so-skilled dishwashing job. Sometimes you just wanna change your nic to "Worthlessgoddamnpieceofshit"


Cheer up; things have got to get better from this point!

511 AMER1CAN  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:17:34am

The Washington Post sure is in the tank for this guy. Haven't we read this before?

Hawaii's still waters run deep for Obama

HONOLULU - In his two weeks in Hawaii, Barack Obama has oozed island cool: the black shades and khaki shorts, the breezy sandaled saunter that suggested he had not a care in the world. Who said anything about the presidency?

He strolled shirtless near the beach, enjoyed a shave ice and a local seaweed-wrapped delicacy called Spam musubi. One day, the president-elect flashed the friendly "shaka" sign, shaking his pinky and thumb in a local surfing gesture.

512 rw in san diego  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:17:44am

re: #493 realwest

Hi there rw! A Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to you! How are things going for you so far this year?!?

So far, so good I say with fingers crossed.

513 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:17:58am

re: #489 albusteve

excellent...at least he has confidence in a publicity blitz...Isarel should at least try rather than give up

Israel should keep up, and actually increase the PR.
They really need to show some Sderot residents, and have them, especially kids, explain the trauma they've suffered for years.
It will help turn some people's minds, but it won't help the dyed-in-the-woolly-brain moonbats and anti-Semites. They're hopeless anyway.

514 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:18:38am

re: #499 Taqiyyotomist

No Lizards are worthless. The ones that sneak through are discovered and banned. You have been here too long for that.

515 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:18:53am

re: #511 AMER1CAN

"shaka"
He is just too cool for words.

516 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:19:32am

re: #503 legalpad

The media fools claim to be for peace but they promote war through their distortions. It was part of the reason the Iraq war went on for so long. If the world was mostly unanimous as to who is doing what, things would be wrapped up a lot quicker and far fewer would die.

like one big unhappy family there is disagreement on the most obvious...it's just human nature to take advantage for personal gain...someday I think Isarel will have to face the ultimate showdown because of it...we're all doomed!

517 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:19:43am

re: #502 Ford_Prefect

Morning bella. They did, and you? Sounds like you got a new toy.

Yes. Good times. Had a couple of parties. Yes - got a new toy. Can't wait to break it in.

518 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:20:01am

re: #514 Ford_Prefect

No Lizards are worthless. The ones that sneak through are discovered and banned. You have been here too long for that.

Right, even I serve a purpose. We just haven't figured out what purpose yet!
;-)

519 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:20:49am

re: #517 bellamags

Yes. Good times. Had a couple of parties. Yes - got a new toy. Can't wait to break it in.

Well have fun with it. Just don't pull a Plaxico Burriss (sp?).

520 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:21:02am

Heh - look at that:
Protests against Gaza attack sweep across the world

Yeah, good ol' Friday Prayers - sooo peace-inducing ...

Nice poster as well!

521 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:21:11am

re: #487 DistantThunder

too good to be true

522 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:21:29am

re: #519 Ford_Prefect

Well have fun with it. Just don't pull a Plaxico Burriss (sp?).

HA. nope. They still scare me enough that I am not stupid with them.

523 SueG  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:21:40am

re: #509 realwest

The video is from before the air strikes. Nevertheless it is worth to watch as MSM often is falling for the "humanitarian crisis" propaganda initiated by Hamas.

524 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:21:59am

re: #518 redstateredneck

Right, even I serve a purpose. We just haven't figured out what purpose yet!
;-)

Hey, some of us have to keep the grading curve down... ;-)

525 rw in san diego  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:22:22am

BBL. Have a great day, all.

526 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:22:35am

re: #510 redstateredneck

I wish I could believe that. I'm about to get sued by some collection agency for $750, for a tube of ointment for a g*** tickbite. The tube was about "---" that big. The ER was empty. La freakin seniorita gets to have her anchor baby at age 14 for free, I get to pay $750 for a one inch tube of cream, at the g*** hospital I was freakin born in. About to get sued for applying foolishy to go to college, and withdrawing a day late for reasons of anxiety and depression, having gone in the door to the place exactly twice, and having applied for and received acceptance of a Pell grant, seeing that I HAVE NOTHING. Seven Hundred Dollars Please! G.D.It All.

527 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:22:46am

re: #487 DistantThunder

What have we been hearing over and over about the Madoff scandal? If something sounds too good to be true - it usually is. I've started applying that same phrase to Obama when posting on news websites:

Obama is too good to be true - and the majority of the American people have fallen for his scam in spite of the fact that he has

No governing experience,
No military experience,
No business experience,
No energy experience,
No foreign policy nor foreign trade experience, and
No corruption-fighting experience!

Gavin de Becker, who wrote the "Gfit of Fear,"in describing how to spot criminals before they victimize you said that the error people make is that they look for something familiar in a person, and once they find that something, they feel good about him, and disregard any information that would alter that initial judgement.

Instead, when hiring an employee or babysitter, or president, people should be looking for things that would DIS-qualify them. Instead they tend to do the option focusing on the things that qualify him.

Good point about de Becker.

528 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:23:14am

re: #504 Iron Fist

Before this election cycle, I naivly thought there were checks in the system to prevent that sort of fraud.

Then, when the Chinese dishwasher funneled a couple thousand dollars to HRC, and HRC defended it, I knew the US election laws were a scam.

529 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:23:16am

re: #478 Alouette
Thank you for that one! But to me the most telling line from your link was:

Yet, I doubt I will receive a return invitation to speak.


Anti-Semitism runs REALLY DEEP in a number of so-called Christians - mom and I left a church we'd been attending for things our Minister had to say - waaay back in the 60's - after I had a "chat" with him.
He of course denied being Anti-Semitic but Mom jumped in with "you're deluding yourself or lying to us, we won't be back".
Haven't been to Church (except for funerals - too many - and weddings - too few) ever since.

530 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:24:17am

re: #495 DistantThunder

MY SIL loves to regale us with tales of how noble BABS hangs out her laundry in her yard to dry in order to save the planet, and BABS advocates for others to follow her saintly example.

I wonder if Streisand has dry-clean-only clothes.

531 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:24:17am

re: #522 bellamags

HA. nope. They still scare me enough that I am not stupid with them.

I have never been a gun person, but I would think the idea is to not be afraid of them, but to respect the heck out of them.

532 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:24:24am

And to those who like wine and mutual funds...two $700+ bills, to me, seems nigh-insurmountable.

533 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:25:39am

re: #513 Kosh's Shadow

Israel should keep up, and actually increase the PR.
They really need to show some Sderot residents, and have them, especially kids, explain the trauma they've suffered for years.
It will help turn some people's minds, but it won't help the dyed-in-the-woolly-brain moonbats and anti-Semites. They're hopeless anyway.

it seems like some Isareli spokesperson on some pathetic news show could pounce on the secondary explosion coverup...easy to prove and force Hamas to deny the truth...I may sound naive but I have no use for phoney propriety or protocals that get you nowhere...

534 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:25:56am

re: #499 Taqiyyotomist

So far, not a good year. Got the full blown flu for New Year's. Got fired from my oh-so-skilled dishwashing job. Sometimes you just wanna change your nic to "Worthlessgoddamnpieceofshit"

Aw, nutz! I'm sorry to hear both things. Don't worry about the job thing right now if it'll stress you out which is not good for your body. Get well soon!

535 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:26:19am

re: #531 Ford_Prefect

I have never been a gun person, but I would think the idea is to not be afraid of them, but to respect the heck out of them.

The same can be said for chainsaws. I'm a bit nervous with one of those. For good reason. I know ex-tree guys with nasty scars.

536 Summersong  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:26:29am

re: #519 Ford_Prefect

Well have fun with it. Just don't pull a Plaxico Burriss (sp?).

His first name is so odd. Plaxico...It sounds like a plastics corporation.

537 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:27:10am

OK, Lizards, Mrs_Prefect is ready so I am signing off. I wish you all a safe and Happy New Year. Later!

538 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:27:44am

re: #526 Taqiyyotomist

Did you go to the hospital's accounts receivable office and try to work something out? Sometimes there are funds available for people who can't pay but you have to ask.

539 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:28:11am

re: #504 Iron Fist

That's hard to know. I don't think that Soros has been funding him for his entire career. I think he has to have done some of it on his own. I'm sure that now he has an advisor or two that convey his Master's Soros' wishes to him. Whatever has happened in the past, I'd say that after this election Obama is not a free moral agent.

He owes his election to the Soros machine, and he knows it. All of those $20 donations from people in Third World mud huts had to come from somewhere.

Remember that New York Magazine spread about Soros finding all those Wall Street folks for CBBHO? The photograph of CBBHO descending into a room filled with people on their feet is really telling--Soros is sitting down, next to the staircase looking like a proud papa.

540 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:28:26am

Thank you Mandy.

Sorry for the buzzkill with my cussing, all. I normally refrain from such language. Just not been a good time.

541 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:28:31am

re: #480 rw in san diego
Yeppers, I are here - see my # 493!

542 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:28:54am

re: #506 SurferDoc

"Gift of Fear" is an amazing book. Gavin de Becker just may be a genius.

Who knows how many people he's helped save predators?!

543 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:28:54am

re: #526 Taqiyyotomist

Sometimes the weight of everything seems to come crushing down on you. Don't feel bad. I had similar probs with a hospital and told them I would pay $20 a month and if they wouldn't except it they could KMA. Everyone has their hand out and it is up to us to have the balls to say NO to some people. If I take the time to stop and think about all the liabilities I have I go into complete panic mode.

Just keep trying to do better and you will feel better.

544 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:29:21am

re: #535 Taqiyyotomist

The same can be said for chainsaws. I'm a bit nervous with one of those. For good reason. I know ex-tree guys with nasty scars.

Boy, no kidding. Both guns and chainsaws require heightened focus, training, and severe discipline in their use.

545 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:29:47am

re: #498 lawhawk
Was that the same plot that involved Rommel and when it didn't come off, he committed suicide?
Oh, sorry, Happy New Year to you!

546 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:30:19am

re: #520 yma o hyd

Heh - look at that:
Protests against Gaza attack sweep across the world

Yeah, good ol' Friday Prayers - sooo peace-inducing ...

Nice poster as well!

Ooooh. Art-work!

What are the Muslims in Wales doing?

547 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:30:26am

re: #536 Summersong

His first name is so odd. Plaxico...It sounds like a plastics corporation.

Makes you wonder where his mama got it.

548 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:30:53am

re: #499 Taqiyyotomist
Y'all should only change your nic to that if you really believe it fits you.
From what I've read out here, it doesn't.

549 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:31:00am

re: #546 MandyManners

Ooooh. Art-work!

What are the Muslims in Wales doing?

Wailing?

550 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:31:11am

re: #538 redstateredneck

Did you go to the hospital's accounts receivable office and try to work something out? Sometimes there are funds available for people who can't pay but you have to ask.

I think it might be too late. I called, probably foolishly, the number that was calling me twice daily for the last year or so, to get them to stop calling. She said, "so you just want me to send the case over to our attorney?" I said, "Whatever." and hung up. This was a couple days ago. I didn't go, no. I'm an utter idiot sometimes.

551 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:31:16am

re: #543 bellamags

Sometimes the weight of everything seems to come crushing down on you. Don't feel bad. I had similar probs with a hospital and told them I would pay $20 a month and if they wouldn't except accept it they could KMA. Everyone has their hand out and it is up to us to have the balls to say NO to some people. If I take the time to stop and think about all the liabilities I have I go into complete panic mode.

Just keep trying to do better and you will feel better.


PIMF

sorry - kinda still buzzing from the holidays.

552 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:31:33am

re: #547 redstateredneck

Makes you wonder where his mama got it.

iillegitimate offspring of Pierre duPont, perhaps?

553 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:32:24am

re: #501 Taqiyyotomist

God damn it all

Hey, if you want people to feel sorry for you this isn't the place. If you want help pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, stick around.

So, buck-off or buck-up...

So now that you are staying, any place that would fire you isn't a good place to be. You'll get better and you'll get a better job. Anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

554 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:32:39am

re: #526 Taqiyyotomist

I wish I could believe that. I'm about to get sued by some collection agency for $750, for a tube of ointment for a g*** tickbite. The tube was about "---" that big. The ER was empty. La freakin seniorita gets to have her anchor baby at age 14 for free, I get to pay $750 for a one inch tube of cream, at the g*** hospital I was freakin born in. About to get sued for applying foolishy to go to college, and withdrawing a day late for reasons of anxiety and depression, having gone in the door to the place exactly twice, and having applied for and received acceptance of a Pell grant, seeing that I HAVE NOTHING. Seven Hundred Dollars Please! G.D.It All.

Time to let those two things go while you're sick. Staying worked up won't pay those bills right now.

Is there a legal clinic in your area where you can talk to an attorney for free once you get well?

555 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:32:46am

Do I go to jail if I don't answer whatever the attorney has in mind?

556 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:33:08am

re: #546 MandyManners

Ooooh. Art-work!

What are the Muslims in Wales doing?

Keeping indoors!
There are not that many to start with, and if they want to seethe, they'd have to link up with the resident moonbats, about 100 of them.
College students are still on holidays, so tis nice and quiet here - and, as i say, temperatures below freezing are not seethe-inducing!

557 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:33:18am

re: #535 Taqiyyotomist

The same can be said for chainsaws. I'm a bit nervous with one of those. For good reason. I know ex-tree guys with nasty scars.

Years ago, one of my first jobs was kind of an untrained doctor's assistant in our small town. We had a guy come in who had been in a chainsaw accident. I had to pick the denim from his jeans out of his thigh so the doctor could fix him up.
Ewww! Sight of blood never bothered me unless it was my own and later my kids.

558 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:33:38am

re: #540 Taqiyyotomist

Thank you Mandy.

Sorry for the buzzkill with my cussing, all. I normally refrain from such language. Just not been a good time.

Do you have a medical clinic/health department?

559 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:34:04am
560 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:34:21am

re: #550 Taqiyyotomist

I think it might be too late. I called, probably foolishly, the number that was calling me twice daily for the last year or so, to get them to stop calling. She said, "so you just want me to send the case over to our attorney?" I said, "Whatever." and hung up. This was a couple days ago. I didn't go, no. I'm an utter idiot sometimes.

It may not be too late. Give it a try.

561 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:34:32am

re: #546 MandyManners

What are the Muslims in Wales doing?

Whaling?

562 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:34:49am

re: #555 Taqiyyotomist

Do I go to jail if I don't answer whatever the attorney has in mind?

JAIL? There are no debtor prisons in America!

563 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:35:04am

re: #545 realwest

Was that the same plot that involved Rommel and when it didn't come off, he committed suicide?
Oh, sorry, Happy New Year to you!

Happy new year to you too!

And yes, it was the same plot; Rommel was involved in Valkyrie and committed suicide when it failed.

564 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:35:20am

re: #561 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Whaling?

Can't do that. Greenpeace will go after them!

565 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:35:24am

re: #556 yma o hyd

Keeping indoors!
There are not that many to start with, and if they want to seethe, they'd have to link up with the resident moonbats, about 100 of them.
College students are still on holidays, so tis nice and quiet here - and, as i say, temperatures below freezing are not seethe-inducing!

Fair-weather seethers? Chickenshits.

566 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:35:58am

re: #555 Taqiyyotomist

Do I go to jail if I don't answer whatever the attorney has in mind?

Are tehre free legal clinics, for cases like yours? Something like a 'Citizens Advice Bureau', where you can go and they'd help you with legal and practical advice?

567 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:36:30am

re: #523 SueG Shoot. I misread the date as December 31, not December 3rd.
Still and all those folks look like they had a surfeit* of food available!

*Someone hadda use that word since Occasional Reader isn't here yet!

568 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:36:38am

re: #564 Wyatt Earp

Can't do that. Greenpeace will go after them!

Interesting game plan... pit the radical environmentalists against Islam.

Then sit back and watch the fun.

569 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:36:39am

re: #564 Wyatt Earp

Can't do that. Greenpeace will go after them!

Better stop harpooning on this or it will become yet another pun thread.

570 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:36:51am

re: #563 lawhawk

Happy new year to you too!

And yes, it was the same plot; Rommel was involved in Valkyrie and committed suicide when it failed.

That's covered toward the end of Knight's Cross. A great biography of Rommel, by the way.

571 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:37:21am

re: #557 redstateredneck

Years ago, one of my first jobs was kind of an untrained doctor's assistant in our small town. We had a guy come in who had been in a chainsaw accident. I had to pick the denim from his jeans out of his thigh so the doctor could fix him up.
Ewww! Sight of blood never bothered me unless it was my own and later my kids.

I don't know why but your post reminded me of this pic. Do you think the guy on the table is SCREWED?

OH SHIT

572 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:37:49am

re: #558 MandyManners

Is there a legal clinic in your area where you can talk to an attorney for free once you get well?

Do you have a medical clinic/health department?


I don't know. I'll try and find out. I'm not "sick" per se. Getting over a weeklong flu is all. Done with psychiatry (sp) almost 10 years ago, (that racket), if that's what you meant by "sick". I'll ask around about a legal clinic though. Things can only get better? Can they send me to jail?

573 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:37:50am

re: #569 TaeJohnDo

Better stop harpooning on this or it will become yet another pun thread.

And then someone will start blubbering about it.

574 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:39:28am

re: #565 MandyManners

Fair-weather seethers? Chickenshits.

Actually, I think most of them are at work anyway, and have their families to look after in the evenings.
They are really a generally quiet bunch. The only time they were campaigning all over the palce was after the earthquake in Pakistan a few years ago - they asked for help, any help - and the people of Wales donated what they could. Their mosque was absolutely full of doanted blankets, clothing, shoes, toys ...

No, we've not had any seething here!

575 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:39:52am

re: #571 bellamags

I don't know why but your post reminded me of this pic. Do you think the guy on the table is SCREWED?

OH SHIT

Hah! Definitly a time to rethink his politics.

576 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:39:59am

re: #573 Wyatt Earp

And then someone will start blubbering about it.

And blow hole it out of proportion. Sea, there will be an ocean of hurt if we don't sink it now.

577 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:40:10am

re: #466 realwest

Holy Crap - those were ISRAELI'S protesting the IAF bombings! Where the fuck were they when Hamas was chucking rockets and mortars into Israel?
What is WRONG with these people?

They should form a human shield around Ashkelon and Sderot.

578 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:40:11am
579 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:40:29am

re: #574 yma o hyd

Actually, I think most of them are at work anyway, and have their families to look after in the evenings.
They are really a generally quiet bunch. The only time they were campaigning all over the palce was after the earthquake in Pakistan a few years ago - they asked for help, any help - and the people of Wales donated what they could. Their mosque was absolutely full of doanted blankets, clothing, shoes, toys ...

No, we've not had any seething here!

Here's some!

580 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:40:45am
581 Macker  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:41:02am

re: #439 Hard Right

UGH.

582 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:41:02am

re: #552 DeafDog

iillegitimate offspring of Pierre duPont, perhaps?


Here's as good an explanation as any:

Plaxico was the name of the company that made the light fixture over the hospital bed his mom was in when he was born. She looked up, saw the label, and the rest is history.

583 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:41:09am

re: #576 TaeJohnDo

And blow hole it out of proportion. Sea, there will be an ocean of hurt if we don't sink it now.

And then Mandy will wash our mouths our with soap.

584 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:41:12am
585 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:41:22am

re: #572 Taqiyyotomist

I don't know. I'll try and find out. I'm not "sick" per se. Getting over a weeklong flu is all. Done with psychiatry (sp) almost 10 years ago, (that racket), if that's what you meant by "sick". I'll ask around about a legal clinic though. Things can only get better? Can they send me to jail?

You cannot be sent to jail for unpaid debts.

586 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:41:23am

re: #583 Wyatt Earp

And then Mandy will wash our mouths our with soap.

"out" PIMF!

587 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:42:00am

re: #550 Taqiyyotomist

I think it might be too late. I called, probably foolishly, the number that was calling me twice daily for the last year or so, to get them to stop calling. She said, "so you just want me to send the case over to our attorney?" I said, "Whatever." and hung up. This was a couple days ago. I didn't go, no. I'm an utter idiot sometimes.

I don't mind hearing anyone's complaints and problems, just for the record. Many of us, no doubt, have been through similar things. I have had great, uninsured, medical bills. I have had people calling me with an attitude about bills I couldn't pay. I have lost jobs, and on one occasion was a single father of three preschoolers with almost zero income. I have many ideas on coping with things, not only psychologically, but in a practical sense also. Talk about anything you want, as far as I am concerned.

588 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:42:20am
589 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:42:26am

re: #574 yma o hyd

Actually, I think most of them are at work anyway, and have their families to look after in the evenings.
They are really a generally quiet bunch. The only time they were campaigning all over the palce was after the earthquake in Pakistan a few years ago - they asked for help, any help - and the people of Wales donated what they could. Their mosque was absolutely full of doanted blankets, clothing, shoes, toys ...

No, we've not had any seething here!

Moderate Muslims?!

590 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:42:37am

re: #585 MandyManners

You cannot be sent to jail for unpaid debts.

Most someone can do is try and take you to small claims court to get relief.

591 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:42:55am

re: #571 bellamags

I don't know why but your post reminded me of this pic. Do you think the guy on the table is SCREWED?

OH SHIT

Doesn't look good!

592 joecitizen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:43:01am

g'mornin' and how do and happynewyear dear Lizards..been awhile since I last posted as things are mighty hectic in the citizen household...18 mo old emilycitizen rules the roost with an iron hand, but I am here with you every day lurkinglaughinglearning...my wish for this newyear and beyond is that our soon to be president does so well that we are all compelled to vote for his reelection (we should only be so lucky!)

593 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:43:03am

re: #584 Iron Fist

Yeah. Wasn't that at the party he gave the "bitter clingers" speech at? There's really no question that Obama has sold his soul to Soros. The only thing in doubt is the price Soros paid to get it.

I've tried to put my finger on that. Just "destroy America" doesn't work... Soros is in it for the money.

My bet is that the legalization of narcotics is the ticket... with Soros owning a big part of the now legal franchise.

594 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:43:26am

re: #585 MandyManners

Ok. Thanks.
I can, though, be sent to jail for not answering a summons, right? If I am somehow "served"? I'm clueless.

595 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:43:42am

re: #584 Iron Fist

Yeah. Wasn't that at the party he gave the "bitter clingers" speech at? There's really no question that Obama has sold his soul to Soros. The only thing in doubt is the price Soros paid to get it.

No. The "bitter clingers" speech was in 2008 in San Francisco.

596 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:43:56am

re: #571 bellamags

I don't know why but your post reminded me of this pic. Do you think the guy on the table is SCREWED?

OH SHIT

Is that Robert Byrd?

597 defogger  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:44:05am

Good morning Lizards! And a belated Happy New Year! Can't stay long, but wanted to say hi. Did I miss anything? Where's the coffee?

598 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:44:13am

re: #550 Taqiyyotomist
AHEM. Having had some experience with hospitals and the way they bill and all, I'd respectfully suggest that you call that number back and ask for an itemized bill; if it only shows that tube of ointment, call you local pharmacy (or two) and ask how much they charge for that tube. I'll bet money it's a LOT less.
Then WRITE to the hospital, stating your case, offer to pay them like $20 a month to settle the bill - up to the amount the pharmacy charges anyway.
If you do get sued, go to court and explain it to the judge (I doubt that it'll get that far; it's not a big enough amount for them to refer to a lawyer). Hospitals pay something less than 50% of what we pay pharmacies directly.
Hospital billing is a HUGE SCAM.
BTW, my nic's in blue, if y'all want to e-mail me for some help.

599 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:44:25am

re: #520 yma o hyd

Heh - look at that:
Protests against Gaza attack sweep across the world

Yeah, good ol' Friday Prayers - sooo peace-inducing ...

Nice poster as well!

Sweeping protests on Seething Friday.

Ah, but it's a great time to be alive ladies and gentlemen. And that's the theme of our program for tonight, "It's so FUCKING GREAT to be alive"! Is what the theme of our show is tonight, boys and girls. And I'm wanna tell ya, if there is anybody here who DOESN'T believe that it is FUCKING GREAT to be alive, I wish that they go now, because this show will only bring them down so much...
600 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:44:36am

re: #596 Wyatt Earp

Is that Robert Byrd?

In 1875, when he was still in the House.

601 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:44:51am

re: #590 Wyatt Earp

Most someone can do is try and take you to small claims court to get relief.

Garnish your wages, but you gotta have a job for that!

602 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:45:01am

re: #590 Wyatt Earp

Most someone can do is try and take you to small claims court to get relief.

Depends on the size of the debt but, it'd always stay on the civil side.

603 joecitizen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:45:06am

re: #572 Taqiyyotomist
Taq..get a hold of yourself! life aint for pussies and will surely derail you if you take it too seriously...every day you wake up breathing puts you ahead of the poor bastards that didn't

604 wiffersnapper  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:45:11am

Change is a-comin', and you'd better be smilin'!

605 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:45:13am

re: #594 Taqiyyotomist

Ok. Thanks.
I can, though, be sent to jail for not answering a summons, right? If I am somehow "served"? I'm clueless.

In theory? Yes. In practice? Usually not. The courts won't send someone to jail for contempt unless it is something very serious. At least that's what they do in Philly, anyway.

606 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:45:43am

re: #594 Taqiyyotomist

Ok. Thanks.
I can, though, be sent to jail for not answering a summons, right? If I am somehow "served"? I'm clueless.

Which court issued the summons?

I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.

607 saylorfam  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:45:46am

Thanks for the tip on the Vicam. I will pick some up at lunch. I probably should have stayed home.

608 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:46:23am

Israel attacks terrorists; Palestinians go shoeless and are being deprived of proper footwear.

Heil Hamas or we'll get you with our papier mache rockets, and your little dogs too?

It means peace, doesn't it, so why the knives and guns and koranic imagery all in one?

Papier mache rockets? We've got 'em too. And little kids in white hoods. How precious.

This is crocodile tear grievance theater. And the media just laps this crap up.

609 Summersong  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:46:24am

re: #550 Taqiyyotomist

I think it might be too late. I called, probably foolishly, the number that was calling me twice daily for the last year or so, to get them to stop calling. She said, "so you just want me to send the case over to our attorney?" I said, "Whatever." and hung up. This was a couple days ago. I didn't go, no. I'm an utter idiot sometimes.

Call the hospital you went to, not the collection agency. I was able to successfully knock down a bill from our local hospital to 1/3 of the original charge. Hospitals will negotiate.

Hang in there. This too shall pass.

610 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:46:33am

re: #601 redstateredneck

Garnish your wages, but you gotta have a job for that!

re: #602 MandyManners

Depends on the size of the debt but, it'd always stay on the civil side.

Correct and correct.

611 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:46:52am

re: #598 realwest

Good advice, real. Listen, Taqiyyotomist, the man know's what he's talking aobut!

612 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:47:02am

re: #571 bellamags

I don't know why but your post reminded me of this pic. Do you think the guy on the table is SCREWED?

OH SHIT

I doubt it. Medical professionals have too much pride to let assholes die.

613 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:47:12am

re: #598 realwest

It was an ER visit. 10 minutes. Maybe 15. In and out. The ointment was on hand, a sample. I had a knot the size of a softball about 4" lower than the family jewels, 2 hours after going mushroom hunting (morchellas if you must know...), so I wasn't about to wait. The ER was empty. Nothing makes sense.

614 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:47:25am

re: #555 Taqiyyotomist
NO! We don't put people in jail for failure to pay their bills. Don't worry about it so much. You didn't foolishly call them back, you called 'em back cause you're HONEST and wanted to figure out what to do to pay the bill.
Seriously, e-mail me if you want some help; I only charge for the e-mail postage.

615 saylorfam  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:47:56am

Collection agencies are limited by what they can do. They can not put you in jail nor can they just go and levy your accounts unless it is the IRS or Domestic Relations for back child support.

616 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:48:04am

re: #606 MandyManners

Haven't gotten anything...yet.

617 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:48:20am

re: #614 realwest

I only charge for the e-mail postage.

BIG E-MAIL IS RIPPING US OFF!

618 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:48:30am

re: #598 realwest

AHEM. Having had some experience with hospitals and the way they bill and all, I'd respectfully suggest that you call that number back and ask for an itemized bill; if it only shows that tube of ointment, call you local pharmacy (or two) and ask how much they charge for that tube. I'll bet money it's a LOT less.
Then WRITE to the hospital, stating your case, offer to pay them like $20 a month to settle the bill - up to the amount the pharmacy charges anyway.
If you do get sued, go to court and explain it to the judge (I doubt that it'll get that far; it's not a big enough amount for them to refer to a lawyer). Hospitals pay something less than 50% of what we pay pharmacies directly.
Hospital billing is a HUGE SCAM.
BTW, my nic's in blue, if y'all want to e-mail me for some help.

It's in collections. Isn't that too late to deal with the hospital? Also, what if the bill is not just for the Rx but, also for the doctor and use of the hospital bed?

619 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:48:41am

re: #520 yma o hyd

Heh - look at that:
Protests against Gaza attack sweep across the world

Yeah, good ol' Friday Prayers - sooo peace-inducing ...

Nice poster as well!

Good morning yma!

I just bought a new laptop, and for some strange reason, Welsh was installed as the second default language. I discovered this when I went into Regional & Language options to add Hebrew to the default languages.

That is so weirod. You would figure that where most systems are assembled and installed, they would have Urdu as a default language, but Welsh?

620 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:49:22am

re: #564 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt! Seem's like an opportunity for Greenpeace to lose another ship.

621 ryannon  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:49:25am

Kinski Homage Video

Madman, poet, genius...

622 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:49:49am

re: #620 realwest

Howdy Wyatt! Seem's like an opportunity for Greenpeace to lose another ship.

Mornin' Real! How are you feeling today?

623 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:49:59am

Thanks RW, I might do that, if and when I get notification from their attorney.

624 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:51:01am

Hmm. This Hamas supporter is holding up the Koran with his left hand only. Even a Gitmo guard knows better than that.

625 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:51:35am

Just was imagining if all our IT outsourcing was Welsh instead of Indian. LOL.

626 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:51:45am

re: #624 mich-again

Hmm. This Hamas supporter is holding up the Koran with his left hand only. Even a Gitmo guard knows better than that.

Love the fact that he holds the page open with a knife. Religion of Peace, my Aunt Fanny!

627 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:51:51am

re: #608 lawhawk

Israel attacks terrorists; Palestinians go shoeless and are being deprived of proper footwear.

Heil Hamas or we'll get you with our papier mache rockets, and your little dogs too?

It means peace, doesn't it, so why the knives and guns and koranic imagery all in one?

Papier mache rockets? We've got 'em too. And little kids in white hoods. How precious.

This is crocodile tear grievance theater. And the media just laps this crap up.

I'm starting to think there really might be only one unavoidable solution to the Jewish/Pali misunderstanding...if so I hope the USA gets dragged into on the right side

628 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:51:51am

re: #603 joecitizen

Taq..get a hold of yourself! life aint for pussies and will surely derail you if you take it too seriously...every day you wake up breathing puts you ahead of the poor bastards that didn't

I think Taq will do fine. They have friends here. Just a note: My Green Beret son was never spanked as a child. He would cry if you spoke harshly to him. He was a real mama's boy, and still is, but he could kick my ass, and another two or three at the same time.

629 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:52:09am

Good morning, Lizards.

Happy 9th day of Christmas! I
l'll be happy to dance for you if you can round up eight more...

630 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:52:37am

re: #629 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Happy 9th day of Christmas! I
l'll be happy to dance for you if you can round up eight more...

{Goddess} Is this the day we get Maids A' Milking? :)

631 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:52:57am

No, there's no anti-Semitism involved in the anti-Israel demonstrations. None. At all.

Useful idiots meet to demand Israel stop killing terrorists.

Hamas and the Gazans view the dead as props. Nothing more.

632 Dave the.....  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:53:00am

Powerline links to a You Tube video of a pro-Hamas rally in Fort Lauderdale. Pretty scary. They are much more enthusiastic in their support for the neo-Nazi's thing the aging hippy freaks who support them around here. The local Israel haters just hate the Jewish state.

The group in Florida hate Israel and also love the fascists trying to kill them.

633 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:53:03am

re: #630 Wyatt Earp

{Goddess} Is this the day we get Maids A' Milking? :)

Sorry, that was yesterday--you missed it.

634 defogger  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:53:07am

re: #624 mich-again

Hmm. This Hamas supporter is holding up the Koran with his left hand only. Even a Gitmo guard knows better than that.

It's hard to get good help these days.

635 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:53:41am

re: #628 legalpad

I think Taq will do fine. They have friends here.


Just what are you tryin' ta say there? :)

636 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:53:47am

re: #633 goddessoftheclassroom

Sorry, that was yesterday--you missed it.

Dang.

637 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:53:53am

re: #603 joecitizen

Taq..get a hold of yourself! life aint for pussies and will surely derail you if you take it too seriously...every day you wake up breathing puts you ahead of the poor bastards that didn't

Oh, for fuck's sake. Taq is getting over a nasty virus and is naturally feeling drained.

638 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:53:58am

Good Morning

639 joecitizen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:54:02am

re: #628 legalpad

I think Taq will do fine. They have friends here. Just a note: My Green Beret son was never spanked as a child. He would cry if you spoke harshly to him. He was a real mama's boy, and still is, but he could kick my ass, and another two or three at the same time.

obviously not a puss, your son...mamas boys are cool..godbless you and yours

640 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:54:45am

re: #615 saylorfam

Collection agencies are limited by what they can do. They can not put you in jail nor can they just go and levy your accounts unless it is the IRS or Domestic Relations for back child support.

In Colorado, a creditor can go to court and garnish your wages. And you don't even have to be involved in the process. Your HR and/or payroll department gets a notice from the courts, and they have to take the amount out of your paycheck.

I've had it done to me, back in the early 90's.

I don't know what the laws are like in your state, but I would certainly look it up and get the proper information.

641 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:54:56am

No more whale puns?

Now I’m Blue.

Nor will it get Right anytime soon.

But maybe if some played a sang on an Orca-rina, we can get our Hump Back into the game and it will Sperm us on to bigger and greater things.

I just hope this spawns new great puns.

642 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:54:56am

More Palestinian child abuse. Just disgusting. Rotten to the core.

Palestinian boys hold the Quran, Islam's holy book, as they wear fake explosives belts during a rally called by Hamas and the Islamic Jihad groups...
643 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:55:10am

re: #631 lawhawk

No, there's no anti-Semitism involved in the anti-Israel demonstrations. None. At all.

Useful idiots meet to demand Israel stop killing terrorists.

Hamas and the Gazans view the dead as props. Nothing more.

Yes.
Yesterday I went through the photos of the photographer who published the "santa card" photo - he had pages and pages and pages of photos of the injured and the dead. Props for his photos.

644 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:55:25am

re: #618 MandyManners
Nope, it's never too late to deal with the hospital Mandy.
They gave it (theoretically) to a collection agency; they can pull it back, too.
I'm not just a lawyer, I've been through the same kinda shit myself. Got an artery in my right thigh cleaned out and a stent put in DOWN HERE in NC - total bill for Cardiovascular Surgeon and his "team" and operating theater - I was in and out in less than one day and total bill was over $85,000 - half of it for the hospital - for less than one days stay. Got an itemized bill, found that they'd charged me - several times - for meds they never gave me (and no I wasn't under general anesthesia) and when I told hospital they'd take what Medicare gave 'em and like it, they just dropped it (fwiw, Medicare paid all but $3800.00 but $3,800 is a HELLUVA lot of money for me to have to come up with).

645 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:55:41am

re: #641 TaeJohnDo

Got it out of your system yet?

/Mornin' Real!

646 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:56:06am

re: #626 Wyatt Earp

Good catch. I didn't notice that the first time. I just figured that was the page saver, (don't have my glasses on yet..)

647 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:56:06am

re: #641 TaeJohnDo

No more whale puns?

Now I’m Blue.

Nor will it get Right anytime soon.

But maybe if some played a sang on an Orca-rina, we can get our Hump Back into the game and it will Sperm us on to bigger and greater things.

I just hope this spawns new great puns.

Are you going to make a pod cast?

648 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:56:42am

re: #647 goddessoftheclassroom

Ugh.

649 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:56:59am

re: #617 Wyatt Earp
ROTFL! Well since I don't pay for e-mail seperately I consider my e-mail as free - so I can't say BIG E-MAIL IS RIPPING US OFF! LOL!

650 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:57:03am

re: #637 MandyManners

Well, that and, lost my job 30 minutes prior to my arrival here. Thanks for the advice all. A small load is lifted...I was pretty worried about the legal aspects of my bills. I don't like dealing with men in black robes, or the state.

651 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:57:15am

re: #589 MandyManners

Moderate Muslims?!

Welshified ones?

Cardiff having been the biggest coal exporting port in the UK, there's a long tradition of live and let live, easy-going, laid-back race relations.
Its only moonbats (from the university colleges) who try to stir things up - not very successfully either!

652 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:57:16am

re: #647 goddessoftheclassroom

Are you going to make a pod cast?

It'll be sponsored by "Eskimo Pies."

653 joecitizen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:57:40am

re: #637 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. Taq is getting over a nasty virus and is naturally feeling drained.


just bucking the young man up , in plain language...there are far worse situations to deal with in life, some being dealt with by fellow Lizards, some posting here this morning...

654 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:57:47am

re: #650 Taqiyyotomist

This too shall pass... you'll be OK. Hang in there.

655 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:58:04am

re: #652 Wyatt Earp

It'll be sponsored by "Eskimo Pies."

I hear they just go with the floe.

656 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:58:18am

re: #643 reine.de.tout

Yes.
Yesterday I went through the photos of the photographer who published the "santa card" photo - he had pages and pages and pages of photos of the injured and the dead. Props for his photos.


When the first picture shown is insinuated to be Obama, then the media just might get worked up. If they show this as Bush or Jews or Christians, well, no need to worry.

657 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:58:28am
658 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:58:35am

re: #655 goddessoftheclassroom

I hear they just go with the floe.

Until they run into a problem of Titanic proportions.

659 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:58:45am

re: #650 Taqiyyotomist

Well, that and, lost my job 30 minutes prior to my arrival here. Thanks for the advice all. A small load is lifted...I was pretty worried about the legal aspects of my bills. I don't like dealing with men in black robes, or the state.

{Taqiyyotomist}
Well, you know what I do...

660 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:58:46am

re: #505 MandyManners

What else should they do with them?


They should send them to live in Gaza.

661 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:59:00am

OK... when I'm King, after all the lawyers get executed, next up will be the punny ones.

662 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:59:10am

re: #644 realwest

I will ask for an itemized bill, but I'm guessing that $700 is probably about right for an unnanounced ER visit, even on a slow day (I doubt it matters that the place was a ghost town.)

663 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:59:27am

re: #642 mich-again

More Palestinian child abuse. Just disgusting. Rotten to the core.

There is something so seriously broken in the brains of parents who would do that to their children.

664 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:59:35am

re: #608 lawhawk

Israel attacks terrorists; Palestinians go shoeless and are being deprived of proper footwear.

Heil Hamas or we'll get you with our papier mache rockets, and your little dogs too?

It means peace, doesn't it, so why the knives and guns and koranic imagery all in one?

Papier mache rockets? We've got 'em too. And little kids in white hoods. How precious.

This is crocodile tear grievance theater. And the media just laps this crap up.

If they spent as much time and money smuggling shoes or at least trying to sew leather together as they spend on their "model rocketry hobby", they could all be wearing haute couteur designer quality shoes.

The left hand, if you must use hands, is the best way to hold the quran in my view.

665 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:59:45am

re: #658 Wyatt Earp

Until they run into a problem of Titanic proportions.

But they're good at iglooing the pieces back together.

666 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 7:59:57am

re: #662 Taqiyyotomist

I will ask for an itemized bill, but I'm guessing that $700 is probably about right for an unnanounced ER visit, even on a slow day (I doubt it matters that the place was a ghost town.)


next time wear a niqab and speak no english.

your ER bill will be on the house

667 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:00:12am

re: #635 Taqiyyotomist

Just what are you tryin' ta say there? :)

lol! Sorry - have not researched you enough to know your sex. Just now looked at your avatar, but who knows?

668 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:00:20am

re: #665 goddessoftheclassroom

But they're good at iglooing the pieces back together.

Epoxy on these puns!

669 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:00:59am

re: #668 Wyatt Earp

Epoxy on these puns!

But we wordsmiths have to stick together!

670 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:01:14am

re: #650 Taqiyyotomist

Well, that and, lost my job 30 minutes prior to my arrival here. Thanks for the advice all. A small load is lifted...I was pretty worried about the legal aspects of my bills. I don't like dealing with men in black robes, or the state.

Dude or Dudess. You seem to be in a very dark space right now. Get close to someone you trust and have a good chat/cry or vent session. We all have been there. The trick to getting out of this space is friends and family.
Stay strong tomorrow is another day.

671 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:01:19am

re: #653 joecitizen

just bucking the young man up , in plain language...there are far worse situations to deal with in life, some being dealt with by fellow Lizards, some posting here this morning...


Indeed. Some of us view life as one big, giant pun. Its a gift. And a curse.

672 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:01:57am

re: #657 Iron Fist

I can honestly say that anyone that is against photo ID to vote is pro-Voter Fraud.


Bingo.

673 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:02:27am

re: #669 goddessoftheclassroom

But we wordsmiths have to stick together!

Epoxy on your house! /

674 bellamags  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:02:34am

re: #662 Taqiyyotomist

I will ask for an itemized bill, but I'm guessing that $700 is probably about right for an unnanounced ER visit, even on a slow day (I doubt it matters that the place was a ghost town.)

You might even call the hospital's billing department and ask if there is a way you can reduce your bill because of financial hardship. I know a couple of people that have done that in our town, however, I am sure it depends on the hospital. Even if the first person you talk to says no, ask to speak to their supervisor. You might even arrange payments with them. Like I said, my bills were over $1000 (and i even had frikin insurance) and I am paying $20 a month.

675 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:03:10am

re: #653 joecitizen

just bucking the young man up , in plain language...there are far worse situations to deal with in life, some being dealt with by fellow Lizards, some posting here this morning...

Oh, I know. I always read the prayer list when I see it. I know that lizards are going through some of life's worst possible shite. I have food in my cupboards and a head on my shoulders. I just need to use the latter more frequently.

676 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:03:15am

re: #668 Wyatt Earp

Epoxy on these puns!

best...

677 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:03:31am

If this idiot would take off his sunglasses, he might see that he is holding up his Koran upside-down. Or maybe its a protest warrior. /

678 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:03:51am

re: #622 Wyatt Earp I'm doing ok - got a call this morning from local police saying something about a guy with a handgun had robbed our local bank and was last seen headed to our garden apartment complex (see my #415 above) so I've been pretty jacked up for a while now!
How's by you?

679 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:03:56am

re: #484 realwest

Hey, Thanks for the review Golem! But at $10 a ticket, I want a VERY GOOD movie to go see! LOL!


Slumdog Millionaire. Worth the price of a ticket. Don't miss it.

680 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:04:13am

re: #667 legalpad

That's Mr. Taqiyyotomist. LOL.

681 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:04:16am

re: #657 Iron Fist

Yeah. What really pisses me off is that everyone seems to realize that fraud is rampant, but nobody, on either side of the aisle, wants to do anything about it.

I can almost forgive the Democrats, because they are the beneficiaries.

The republicans, I think, are scared because they feel it will get them in a fight with the Jessie Jackson race-baiters.

But where is the media?

682 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:04:16am
683 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:04:44am

re: #677 mich-again

If this idiot would take off his sunglasses, he might see that he is holding up his Koran upside-down. Or maybe its a protest warrior. /

It would be right side up for the camera.

684 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:04:54am

re: #678 realwest

I'm doing ok - got a call this morning from local police saying something about a guy with a handgun had robbed our local bank and was last seen headed to our garden apartment complex (see my #415 above) so I've been pretty jacked up for a while now!
How's by you?

Lock and load!

I'm well. Three shootings last night, so I'm a little tired this morning, but I was blessed with some OT after my shift tonight, so it's all good. :)

685 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:01am

re: #598 realwest

Hospitals pay something less than 50% of what we pay pharmacies directly.
Hospital billing is a HUGE SCAM.


The hospitals make deals with the insurance companies and screw everyone else.
Sometimes, you can see this in the bills.
I had one for some routine tests; the bill was something like $270
I paid $20 co-payment; the insurance paid maybe $50, and the rest was "adjusted" away.

686 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:04am

re: #676 albusteve

best...

Yes. He should stick to puns -- it comes natural to him.

687 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:05am

re: #678 realwest

I'm doing ok - got a call this morning from local police saying something about a guy with a handgun had robbed our local bank and was last seen headed to our garden apartment complex (see my #415 above) so I've been pretty jacked up for a while now!
How's by you?

Holy cow, RW... how long has it been since he was sighted?

688 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:18am

re: #678 realwest

I'm doing ok - got a call this morning from local police saying something about a guy with a handgun had robbed our local bank and was last seen headed to our garden apartment complex (see my #415 above) so I've been pretty jacked up for a while now!
How's by you?

I hope you're keeping your ass away from the windows. Mom knows best!

689 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:26am

re: #623 Taqiyyotomist
Offers open - anytime you need or want to "talk" about it.
Right now if I were you I'd get well first, get a job second and not worry about the hospital or collection agency like 822nd!
BTW, what State do y'all live in?

690 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:28am

re: #677 mich-again

If this idiot would take off his sunglasses, he might see that he is holding up his Koran upside-down. Or maybe its a protest warrior. /

isn't that a beheadable offense?...I mean what could be more blasphemous?

691 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:38am

re: #663 redstateredneck

There is something so seriously broken in the brains of parents who would do that to their children.

Exactly what I was thinking.

692 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:38am

re: #644 realwest

Nope, it's never too late to deal with the hospital Mandy.
They gave it (theoretically) to a collection agency; they can pull it back, too.
I'm not just a lawyer, I've been through the same kinda shit myself. Got an artery in my right thigh cleaned out and a stent put in DOWN HERE in NC - total bill for Cardiovascular Surgeon and his "team" and operating theater - I was in and out in less than one day and total bill was over $85,000 - half of it for the hospital - for less than one days stay. Got an itemized bill, found that they'd charged me - several times - for meds they never gave me (and no I wasn't under general anesthesia) and when I told hospital they'd take what Medicare gave 'em and like it, they just dropped it (fwiw, Medicare paid all but $3800.00 but $3,800 is a HELLUVA lot of money for me to have to come up with).

It's always a good idea to demand itemization.

693 fredo malmstein  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:05:53am

My Best Fiend! A great film about an interesting artist.

694 SurferDoc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:06:04am

Any day that doesn't involve a toe tag is a good day.

695 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:06:12am

re: #686 TaeJohnDo

Yes. He should stick to puns -- it comes natural to him.

I am the pun-ultimate Lizard!

696 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:06:35am

re: #679 Golem Akbar

Slumdog Millionaire. Worth the price of a ticket. Don't miss it.

The ticket prices aren't so bad, it's the fricken concessions. You can spend twenty bucks for popcorn and a drink, fer cryin' out loud!

697 joecitizen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:06:36am

re: #678 realwest

I'm doing ok - got a call this morning from local police saying something about a guy with a handgun had robbed our local bank and was last seen headed to our garden apartment complex (see my #415 above) so I've been pretty jacked up for a while now!
How's by you?

man, I hope ya have mr mossberg handy!

698 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:06:39am

re: #650 Taqiyyotomist

Well, that and, lost my job 30 minutes prior to my arrival here. Thanks for the advice all. A small load is lifted...I was pretty worried about the legal aspects of my bills. I don't like dealing with men in black robes, or the state.

Have you started googling Legal Aide Society or similar words yet?

699 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:06:57am

re: #694 SurferDoc

Any day that doesn't involve a toe tag is a good day.

It's always a good day on this side of the grass.

700 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:07:04am

re: #677 mich-again

If this idiot would take off his sunglasses, he might see that he is holding up his Koran upside-down. Or maybe its a protest warrior. /


Maybe he's Australian and it's a Southern hemisphere thing?

701 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:07:16am

I hear disproportionate whining from the left.

702 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:07:21am

re: #651 yma o hyd

Welshified ones?

Cardiff having been the biggest coal exporting port in the UK, there's a long tradition of live and let live, easy-going, laid-back race relations.
Its only moonbats (from the university colleges) who try to stir things up - not very successfully either!

Too much time on their hands.

703 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:07:31am

re: #629 goddessoftheclassroom Hey {goddess} if I can dance while sitting in my chair, I'd gladly volunteer!
Hey, it's got wheels and all!

704 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:07:47am

re: #619 Alouette

Good morning yma!

I just bought a new laptop, and for some strange reason, Welsh was installed as the second default language. I discovered this when I went into Regional & Language options to add Hebrew to the default languages.

That is so weirod. You would figure that where most systems are assembled and installed, they would have Urdu as a default language, but Welsh?

Wow!
That is utterly amazing!
Especially as there are only about 3 million of us living in Wales, and perhaps half of that able to speak God's Own Language fluently!

How wonderful - Cymru am byth!

705 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:07:51am

re: #653 joecitizen

just bucking the young man up , in plain language...there are far worse situations to deal with in life, some being dealt with by fellow Lizards, some posting here this morning...

Everyone's owie is an owie, no matter the size.

706 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:08:28am

re: #675 Taqiyyotomist

Oh, I know. I always read the prayer list when I see it. I know that lizards are going through some of life's worst possible shite. I have food in my cupboards and a head on my shoulders. I just need to use the latter more frequently.

May I put you on the prayer list?
Some people think, "Oh, my problems aren't important enough." That's not true. It's not triage or a contest--it's a community of those who hold up each other.

I have something I'd like to share with you. Please email privately--my nic is blue. If you'd rather not, of course I understand.

707 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:08:33am

re: #705 MandyManners

Everyone's owie is an owie, no matter the size.

Thank you, Owie Mandel. :)

708 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:08:47am

re: #672 redstateredneck

Bingo.

Hiya, Redstate, check yer e-mail.

If you see VX and/or midwestgak around today, ask 'em to check theirs.

Game on!

709 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:08:57am

re: #660 shanec99

They should send them to live in Gaza.

It would be nice for them to live with those they're defending but, the state cannot make it happen.

710 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:09:08am

re: #701 DistantThunder

I hear disproportionate whining from the left.

Which, coincidentally, sounds like distant thunder.

711 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:09:10am

re: #705 MandyManners

Everyone's owie is an owie, no matter the size.


I dunno... make it big enough and it stops being an owie and starts using different 4-letter words.

712 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:09:13am

re: #707 Wyatt Earp

Thank you, Owie Mandel. :)

worst...

713 joecitizen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:09:31am

re: #705 MandyManners

Everyone's owie is an owie, no matter the size.


agreed, but perspective is perspective...

714 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:09:42am

re: #673 lawhawk

Epoxy on your house! /

But I'm geting so much mucilage from these puns!

715 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:09:43am

re: #628 legalpad
Hey legalpad - kindly thank your son for his service to our nation for us, would ya?

716 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:09:48am

re: #712 albusteve

worst...

Yeah, I thought the same thing when I hit "enter." Can't win 'em all.

717 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:09:54am

re: #708 reine.de.tout

Hiya, Redstate, check yer e-mail.

If you see VX and/or midwestgak around today, ask 'em to check theirs.

Game on!

Woot!

:D

718 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:10:49am

re: #703 realwest

Hey {goddess} if I can dance while sitting in my chair, I'd gladly volunteer!
Hey, it's got wheels and all!

Uh, thanks. {realwest}, but it's supposed to be "nine ladies dancing." I don't think you'd pass the physical!

719 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:11:04am

re: #647 goddessoftheclassroom

Are you going to make a pod cast?

That might be a breach of copyright.

720 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:11:35am

re: #689 realwest

Thanks RW, I do appreciate the offer, and I'll keep it under consideration. I'm in Michigan.

Mandy, I'll look around. Got your links bookmarked, I've read the first brochure, but not the PDF. Gotta find a job, for sure. No, I'm not gonna give up and go on welfare. Like I said, me and the state shall never have ties, if I can help it.

721 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:11:37am

re: #707 Wyatt Earp

Thank you, Owie Mandel. :)

*groan*

722 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:12:22am

Iran props up Hamas because the Persians love it when Arabs get killed off.

723 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:12:53am

Teenager tricked into becoming a suicide bomber now stuck in Afghan prison when his bomb failed to go off

This is the face of Islamists. They are barbarians who see everyone only as cannon fodder.

The anti-Israel protesters are siding with Islamists who have absolutely no qualms about using kids as suicide bombers - training them and indoctrinating them in death and mayhem. That's the future they see for Muslim kids. That's the future they see for everyone.

724 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:12:54am

re: #711 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I dunno... make it big enough and it stops being an owie and starts using different 4-letter words.

I tend to try to shrink my owies but that's not possible if someone else is stretching.

725 SummerSong  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:12:54am

Free legal advice site -

[Link: forum.freeadvice.com...]

726 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:13:12am

re: #521 MandyManners

Nice Mandy - and he was the real deal.

727 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:14:05am

re: #713 joecitizen

agreed, but perspective is perspective...

Perspective depends on each person's history and present circumstances.

728 shanec99  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:14:37am

re: #705 MandyManners

Everyone's owie is an owie, no matter the size.


Well my owie is an adequately sized owie... but I am always sure to keep it covered up... expecially in the company of delicate personalities. It could scare them.

729 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:14:48am

re: #640 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! You're right, EXCEPT that in every state, the collection agency is supposed to serve you with a complaint and a chance to answer and a chance to appear in court. They are such scumbags, however, that they usually skip that step ( or type up the papers and toss 'em away instead of mailing 'em to you - what we used to call "sewer service" cause they'd literally thrown 'em down the sewer in NYC).
If they do that - garnishee your wages (which, of course, assume you HAVE wages to garnishee) you can go to court and a) tell court you were never served and b) sue the collection agency and the hospital for abuse of process; it's easy to do and - that usually gets 'em to back off real quickly.

730 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:15:00am

re: #714 goddessoftheclassroom

But I'm geting so much mucilage from these puns!

I hate to resin on your parade, but this will help cement your reputation here.

731 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:15:09am

re: #723 lawhawk

Teenager tricked into becoming a suicide bomber now stuck in Afghan prison when his bomb failed to go off

This is the face of Islamists. They are barbarians who see everyone only as cannon fodder.

The anti-Israel protesters are siding with Islamists who have absolutely no qualms about using kids as suicide bombers - training them and indoctrinating them in death and mayhem. That's the future they see for Muslim kids. That's the future they see for everyone.

They share that with the leftists - life is cheap.

732 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:15:38am

re: #730 lawhawk

I hate to resin on your parade, but this will help cement your reputation here.

But Goddess is already an LGF staple.

733 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:16:27am

re: #645 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Morning LT, how are ya today?

734 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:16:29am

Good morning Lizards... ((Goddess))

735 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:16:29am

re: #690 albusteve

isn't that a beheadable offense?...I mean what could be more blasphemous?

It's blasphemous if you do it. He's just some ignorant lout that doesn't know Arabic but can peg a policeman with a rock through a cloud of teargas at 75 meters. You'd be beheaded, he'll get talked to if anyone notices.

736 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:16:38am

re: #730 lawhawk

I hate to resin on your parade, but this will help cement your reputation here.

So are some some standards I should adhere to?

737 joecitizen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:17:08am

re: #727 MandyManners

Perspective depends on each person's history and present circumstances.

absolutely..but the bottom line of all of it is that whining NEVER solved anything, as I'm sure you know..it's too uncomfortably a liberal answer to anything that doesn't exactly break your way...

738 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:17:12am

re: #733 realwest

Morning LT, how are ya today?

Doing fine... a little concerned about your bank robber.

739 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:17:15am

re: #734 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards... ((Goddess))

I've been SO hoping you'd be here!

MWAH!

740 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:17:47am

Breaking: Madoff trustees may try to re-coup "profits" paid to other investors.

Good luck with that nightmare. Too good to be true usually is.

741 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:18:01am

re: #706 goddessoftheclassroom

You sure may. I do compare problems. Everyone does. I don't have cancer. I don't have a crippling physical ailment. But I hear you. Depression can be crippling. When it prevents one from doing things like paying bills, or when it prevents one from going to college after a full Pell Grant has been issued. But I have food and warmth. I just need, (ahem) hope and change. Ain't had the former in a long while, ain't DONE the latter in a long while. I'll Email you GoTC, with my addy.

742 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:18:02am

Good Morning. I called it! I said that Penn State would not just cover the spread, but woul beat USC outright. Uh huh, I called it.

743 SummerSong  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:18:06am

More info - legal info

[Link: www.findlaw.com...]

744 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:18:33am

re: #696 redstateredneck

The ticket prices aren't so bad, it's the fricken concessions. You can spend twenty bucks for popcorn and a drink, fer cryin' out loud!


True. One theatre we go to allows you to bring in your own food, so we bring in home-popped popcorn. Otherwise, I must enjoy the film with nothing. My favorite theatre has reserved seating, and an over-21 showing of the best films. In that (over-21) showing, you can order drinks! A good way see a horror flick.

745 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:18:39am

re: #742 opnion

Good Morning. I called it! I said that Penn State would not just cover the spread, but woul beat USC outright. Uh huh, I called it.

The Big Ten is a fraud

746 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:18:41am

re: #723 lawhawk

Teenager tricked into becoming a suicide bomber now stuck in Afghan prison when his bomb failed to go off

This is the face of Islamists. They are barbarians who see everyone only as cannon fodder.

The anti-Israel protesters are siding with Islamists who have absolutely no qualms about using kids as suicide bombers - training them and indoctrinating them in death and mayhem. That's the future they see for Muslim kids. That's the future they see for everyone.

I hope he is rehabilitated. If he has any younger brothers, I hope his father has realized that the madrassa is not the place to send them.

747 Pietr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:18:46am

re: #695 Wyatt Earp

I am the pun-ultimate Lizard!

But sometimes you are punnier than others'-and sometimes they are real groaners...

748 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:08am

re: #736 goddessoftheclassroom

So are some some standards I should adhere to?

That is a tacky question.

749 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:08am

re: #680 Taqiyyotomist

That's Mr. Taqiyyotomist. LOL.

Just being careful. Girls get mad at you if you assume they are male.

BTW, $700 isn't a big deal to have people after you for. I have owed many thousands and had nasty people calling me about it. What's funny is that I got where I would call them just to let them know I still didn't have any money. When they would call, I would say, "Hi, how you doing?" and talk to them for as long as they wanted. When they would ask the same questions, like, "When can you send us the money?", I would give them the same answers - "I don't know." When they would try to make me commit to a date, I would decline, as they would get all righteous on me like I'm evil because I don't have money. One of the funny ones was when I went into the hospital in blinding, excruciating, pain because of ulcers and had no insurance. I croaked out to my wife where my life insurance policy was, and noted to the doctor that it was OK if I died, because then the pain would stop. I wasn't kidding. The collector asked me, "What were you thinking when you went to the hospital?", with reference to how I was going to pay for it. I laughed, "I was thinking I would probably die," I answered.

One collector said, "You think this is all a big joke, don't you?", because I told him I enjoyed talking to him. I said "no, but, why would it bother me?"

Now, many years later - few debts, good income, good credit. None of that mattered.

750 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:13am

re: #726 DistantThunder

Nice Mandy - and he was the real deal.

Oh, I love that song! The horns are delightful.

751 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:24am

re: #744 Golem Akbar

Really? I must live in the wrong place...

752 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:47am

re: #728 shanec99

Well my owie is an adequately sized owie... but I am always sure to keep it covered up... expecially in the company of delicate personalities. It could scare them.

*giggle*

753 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:52am

re: #736 goddessoftheclassroom

So are some some standards I should adhere to?

1) No puns involving the name Mighty Putty please. We do not need to bring up "He who shall not be named" this early.

754 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:53am

re: #741 Taqiyyotomist

Don't fret, you can baleen on me.

755 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:56am

re: #657 Iron Fist
Wish I could give you more than one upding for that.

756 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:19:57am

re: #715 realwest

Hey legalpad - kindly thank your son for his service to our nation for us, would ya?

I'll do it, buddy.

757 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:20:01am

I just saw Michelle Obama boarding a plane in tight sweatpants. Her rear end is Huge! She's 6 feet tall - some kind of amazon. A normal women would be embarrassed to be seen like that in public, and from that angle - bouncing up the stairs.

758 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:20:26am

re: #741 Taqiyyotomist

You sure may. I do compare problems. Everyone does. I don't have cancer. I don't have a crippling physical ailment. But I hear you. Depression can be crippling. When it prevents one from doing things like paying bills, or when it prevents one from going to college after a full Pell Grant has been issued. But I have food and warmth. I just need, (ahem) hope and change. Ain't had the former in a long while, ain't DONE the latter in a long while. I'll Email you GoTC, with my addy.

if you are clinically depressed my heart goes out to you amigo...I have first hand experience with that beast...

759 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:21:23am

re: #737 joecitizen

absolutely..but the bottom line of all of it is that whining NEVER solved anything, as I'm sure you know..it's too uncomfortably a liberal answer to anything that doesn't exactly break your way...

Whining is sometimes necessary to vent feelings. However,to whine non-stop is not productive. After the whining should come action, and Taq. seems to be taking the first steps.

760 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:21:49am

re: #661 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Ahem, LT - I am a lawyer - became one after being an 11-Bravo in Vietnam. Some of us are harder to kill then others.
just saying...

761 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:22:02am

re: #749 legalpad

LOL, I need to lighten the hell up. That's how to be. wow.

762 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:22:20am

re: #745 Shug

The Big Ten is a fraud

They can't play with the Pac 10 or the SEC. Those confernces have great athletes & are built on speed. Speed kills if you are a Big 10 team built for power.

763 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:22:25am

re: #741 Taqiyyotomist

Have you started reading those FDCPA links?

764 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:22:28am

re: #751 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Really? I must live in the wrong place...


LA is the home to really great movie theatres. My favorite is the Arclite Cinemas, which includes the old Hollywood Cinerama Dome, and others. And all with reserved seating.

765 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:22:29am

re: #757 DistantThunder

It's morning here. Trying to keep my breakfast down. Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.

766 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:22:34am

re: #753 mich-again

1) No puns involving the name Mighty Putty please. We do not need to bring up "He who shall not be named" this early.

You mean . . .

767 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:22:59am

Please tell me our next first lady doesn't wear sweats in public. I can see that at Wal-Mart.

768 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:23:02am

re: #740 DistantThunder

Breaking: Madoff trustees may try to re-coup "profits" paid to other investors.

Good luck with that nightmare. Too good to be true usually is.

I was considering that earlier. If you have inadvertently purchased stolen property, you have to forfeit the thing to the rightful owner. In the case of investment money, how the heck does that work?

769 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:23:28am

re: #757 DistantThunder

I just saw Michelle Obama boarding a plane in tight sweatpants. Her rear end is Huge! She's 6 feet tall - some kind of amazon. A normal women would be embarrassed to be seen like that in public, and from that angle - bouncing up the stairs.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: She is not an attractive woman.

770 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:23:51am

re: #763 MandyManners

I read the entirety of the first one. The PDF is going to take longer. Thank you, I have them saved to my desktop.

771 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:23:55am

re: #766 Wyatt Earp

You mean . . .

Youtube Video

Stick it!

772 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:24:02am

re: #760 realwest

Ahem, LT - I am a lawyer - became one after being an 11-Bravo in Vietnam. Some of us are harder to kill then others.
just saying...

I'm sure my ministers will give your case special attention (11B carries a lot of weight in my administration), after we off all the ambulance chasing slimeballs.

773 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:24:23am

re: #757 DistantThunder

She's "large and in charge".

774 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:24:39am

re: #760 realwest

Ahem, LT - I am a lawyer - became one after being an 11-Bravo in Vietnam. Some of us are harder to kill then others.
just saying...


Hey RW, I was sent to 'Nam as 11-B, and got put in Personnel my first day (71 Hotel). I was in Qui Nhon, '69-70.

775 Macker  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:24:41am

re: #745 Shug

The Big Ten is a fraud

Three yards and a cloud of dust is all they are.

776 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:24:50am

re: #766 Wyatt Earp

No you didn't!

777 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:24:53am

re: #749 legalpad

The collector asked me, "What were you thinking when you went to the hospital?",

Of all the stupid fucking idiocy! I would've let loose on him.

778 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:24:59am
779 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:25:04am

re: #775 Macker

Three yards and a cloud of dust is all they are.

3 x3=9

and punt

780 Macker  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:25:33am

re: #757 DistantThunder

Does that mean БХО is a Big Butt Man?

/ugh

781 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:25:35am

re: #774 Golem Akbar

Now there is one lucky SOB... you related to somebody famous and important?

782 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:25:49am

re: #745 Shug

The Big Ten is a fraud

well U of M certainly is...

783 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:26:11am

re: #776 mich-again

No you didn't!

Sorry, but I just had to tap dance on the landmine. :)

For the record, I didn't mention his name!

784 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #739 goddessoftheclassroom

I've been SO hoping you'd be here!

MWAH!

Oh my, and now I am so happy to be here as well... MHAW...

785 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:26:28am

re: #757 DistantThunder

I just saw Michelle Obama boarding a plane in tight sweatpants. Her rear end is Huge! She's 6 feet tall - some kind of amazon. A normal women would be embarrassed to be seen like that in public, and from that angle - bouncing up the stairs.

I'll give her points for not caring. Sometimes women get too concerned about what others will think about our rear-view.

786 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:26:29am

Taq - I'm sorry to hear you're struggling. Check out this slideshow of beautiful landscapes set to music. Very inspirational.

787 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:26:30am

re: #782 albusteve

well U of M certainly is...

Hey! That's my (terrible) team!

788 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:26:32am

re: #729 realwest

Hi Walter! You're right, EXCEPT that in every state, the collection agency is supposed to serve you with a complaint and a chance to answer and a chance to appear in court. They are such scumbags, however, that they usually skip that step ( or type up the papers and toss 'em away instead of mailing 'em to you - what we used to call "sewer service" cause they'd literally thrown 'em down the sewer in NYC).
If they do that - garnishee your wages (which, of course, assume you HAVE wages to garnishee) you can go to court and a) tell court you were never served and b) sue the collection agency and the hospital for abuse of process; it's easy to do and - that usually gets 'em to back off real quickly.

Real
My ex-wife, who works for the City of Denver, as a nurse, had an outstanding bill BEFORE her and I were married.

The collection agency got a garnishment, without serving ANY papers (I didn't even know about the past due account). She found out about the garnishment at the point the first payment was taken out of her paycheck (there was a notice in the pay envelope).

And currently, I am trying to deal with two creditors, who I have had excellent credit with for over 10 years, but, considering my financial situation, I need to settle on a smaller monthly amount.

These two companies WON'T work out anything with me. They will actually wait until it gets sold to a collection agency, pennies on the dollar, and then the collection agency will take a smaller monthly payment, with some partial settlement.

Companies have set them selves up to fail, no longer organized to work with their customers. All I keep getting is calls from people who can't even communicate in English correctly.

And I know the business, I was in credit and collection for the first 7 years of my adult working life (70-77), before I turned to programming and before I became a starving artist last year.

I have also noticed that it's become out of control. Both the firms that make telemarketing calls and collection departments of companies are NOT following the laws. They don't care, they will hang up on you, they will say what they want and they seem to have no concern that there are laws involved, laws that they are breaking.

789 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:26:57am

Every day when Charles gets ready to place the first Post, I suggest we all play
Gary Glitter, Rock and Roll, part II.

play it loud!

790 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:27:04am

re: #745 Shug

The Big Ten is a fraud

And think, if Iowa hadn't beaten Penn State, JoPa's team would be getting ready to play in the National Championship game.

791 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:27:22am

re: #784 doriangrey

Oh my, and now I am so happy to be here as well... MHAW...

I think she's stuck on you.

792 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:27:24am

re: #695 Wyatt Earp

I am the pun-ultimate Lizard!

Definitely our homeboy homophony Wizard Lizard.

793 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:27:31am

re: #757 DistantThunder

I just saw Michelle Obama boarding a plane in tight sweatpants. Her rear end is Huge! She's 6 feet tall - some kind of amazon. A normal women would be embarrassed to be seen like that in public, and from that angle - bouncing up the stairs.

Michelle has got too much junk in the trunk & a definite lack of taste.
The MSM can drone on & on about our new Jackie kennedy, but a frog can't hop without legs.

794 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:27:40am

re: #662 Taqiyyotomist
After you finish working for a hospital administration, y'all can say that.
Until then I can tell ya that except for municpal or "poor folks" hospitals, the way hospitals figure out what to charge is they take how much their expenses were the prior year, deduct cash, insurance, and medicare/medicaid payments, usually double the amount left over (the unpaid susms) and then use that as their baseline for figuring out what to charge for their services THIS year. They really can't justify their charges, even if they tried to honestly come up with a way to figure out what they should charge - that's how fucked up our health system is.

795 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:27:43am

re: #786 DistantThunder

Taq - I'm sorry to hear you're struggling. Check out this slideshow of beautiful landscapes set to music. Very inspirational.


[Video]

Although the song...may be a little melancholy...

796 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:27:47am

re: #790 mich-again

And think, if Iowa hadn't beaten Penn State, JoPa's team would be getting ready to play in the National Championship game.


Maybe if they played all the bowl games in Green Bay, the Big 10 would be competative

797 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:28:00am

re: #767 Taqiyyotomist

Please tell me our next first lady doesn't wear sweats in public. I can see that at Wal-Mart.

Maybe she needs to figure out that the vast majority of her life is open to the public.

798 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:28:27am
799 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:28:32am

re: #773 legalpad

She's "large and in charge".

I don't want her & Oprah doing the booty bump.

800 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:28:38am

This BCS system bites. I would rather have seen USC play someone that could have given them a game, like Texas or Alabama. Now we have those 2 (as well as USC) playing games agianst much weaker opposition

801 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:28:44am

re: #781 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Now there is one lucky SOB... you related to somebody famous and important?


I told them I could type, and when offered the job, learned real fast. However, first day we got rocketed, and it happened at least once every two weeks or so. Not a lot of fun.

802 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:28:44am

re: #770 Taqiyyotomist

I read the entirety of the first one. The PDF is going to take longer. Thank you, I have them saved to my desktop.

Have you found anything about a legal clinic in your area for low-income people?

803 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:28:44am

re: #777 MandyManners

Of all the stupid fucking idiocy! I would've let loose on him.

Well, the collector was just sort of stupid and I could tell that. I did laugh, but I just felt sorry for them at how they made their living.

804 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:28:55am

re: #782 albusteve

well U of M certainly is...

They weren't a fraud this year, it was very plain to see how bad they were. A true fraud disguises how bad they really are.

805 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:29:06am

re: #797 MandyManners

Maybe she needs to figure out that the vast majority of her life is open to the public.

They did that, briefly, during the campaign. Back when Axelrod had her locked in a closet someplace.

806 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:29:18am
807 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:29:19am
808 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:29:35am

re: #760 realwest

Ahem, LT - I am a lawyer - became one after being an 11-Bravo in Vietnam. Some of us are harder to kill then others.
just saying...

Some how I always have trouble thinking of you as a Lawyer, but find it easy to think of you as an advocate. ;)

809 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:29:40am

re: #787 Wyatt Earp

Hey! That's my (terrible) team!

I practically raised my boy over at the Big House...he graduated from there two years back...I've had my belly full...on the other hand you should see what passes for college football down here in NM...

810 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:30:01am

re: #790 mich-again

And think, if Iowa hadn't beaten Penn State, JoPa's team would be getting ready to play in the National Championship game.


Could not be any worse. USC for my money is the best team in the nation.
Playoff!

811 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:30:03am

re: #792 TaeJohnDo

Definitely our homeboy homophony Wizard Lizard.

Did you just call me a homo? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

///

812 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:30:07am

re: #801 Golem Akbar

Welcome home, buddy.

813 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:30:36am

USC could beat the Detroit Lions

814 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:30:36am

re: #770 Taqiyyotomist

You might want to Google the name of the collection agency to see if they've been in trouble for violating the FDCPA. About two years ago I was considering taking a paralegal job with a law firm that does collections exclusively but I backed off when I found that it had multiple violations. It was horrendous.

815 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:30:39am

re: #809 albusteve

I practically raised my boy over at the Big House...he graduated from there two years back...I've had my belly full...on the other hand you should see what passes for college football down here in NM...

Go (Sheriff) Lobos!

816 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:30:49am

re: #812 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Welcome home, buddy.


Backatcha

817 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:31:00am

re: #681 DeafDog
The media is having a drink with the Dems.

818 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:31:06am

re: #810 opnion

Could not be any worse. USC for my money is the best team in the nation.
Playoff!

I would love to have seen them have to play Texas, Alabama, or even Texas Tech

819 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:31:20am

re: #818 sattv4u2

I would love to have seen them have to play Texas, Alabama, or even Texas Tech


or Oklahoma

820 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:31:30am

re: #757 DistantThunder

I just saw Michelle Obama boarding a plane in tight sweatpants. Her rear end is Huge! She's 6 feet tall - some kind of amazon. A normal women would be embarrassed to be seen like that in public, and from that angle - bouncing up the stairs.

Barack like much back.

821 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:31:30am

re: #813 Shug

USC AND ME could beat the Detroit Lions

there

822 Cato  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:31:33am

re: #410 bellamags

Nice present!

Hamas supporters here freely admit they want to nuke Israel, yet Iranian apologists say either they never said it or don't mean it.

823 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:32:20am

re: #818 sattv4u2

I would love to have seen them have to play Texas, Alabama, or even Texas Tech


Rosebowl was pretty boring after the first quarter. There's got to be a better system.

824 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:32:31am

Major Humor: Stage version of the Argument Cllinic with Micheal Palin and John Cleese

825 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:32:33am

re: #814 MandyManners

You might want to Google the name of the collection agency to see if they've been in trouble for violating the FDCPA. About two years ago I was considering taking a paralegal job with a law firm that does collections exclusively but I backed off when I found that it had multiple violations. It was horrendous.

Your so correct Mandy. As I mentioned in my comment above (re: #788) a lot of these firms are just ignoring the laws. It's become rampant, IMHO.

826 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:32:35am

Palestinian child abuse...
Yahoo pic

Palestinian boys hold the Quran, Islam's holy book, as they wear fake explosives belts during a rally called by Hamas and the Islamic Jihad

827 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:33:23am

re: #687 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)Um, it's been about 3 hours or so now since I know he was sighted headed into our garden apartment complex.
I reckon they caught him or he's a looong way away by now - our local police are VERY fast reponders - less than two minutes and they had five squad cars here.

828 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:33:23am

re: #804 mich-again

They weren't a fraud this year, it was very plain to see how bad they were. A true fraud disguises how bad they really are.

I know...they have had serious problems for a few years now...nobody but nobody is scared to play up in A2 anymore

829 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:33:32am

re: #798 buzzsawmonkey

Ogden Nash had this to say on the subject:

Sure, deck your lower limbs in pants;
Yours are the limbs, my sweeting.
You look divine as you advance
Have you seen yourself retreating?

I know some men that would look better in skirts.

830 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:33:42am
831 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:34:22am
832 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:34:43am
833 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:34:50am

re: #806 rawmuse

Nine Muslims removed from a flight.

Everbody knows that you do not openly discuss security on an aircraft.
They were trying to provoke an incident & they did.
Put em on the no fly list. Totally innocent citizens get put on there by accdent & have to crawl over broken glass to get off.

834 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:34:51am

re: #757 DistantThunder

I just saw Michelle Obama boarding a plane in tight sweatpants. Her rear end is Huge! She's 6 feet tall - some kind of amazon. A normal women would be embarrassed to be seen like that in public, and from that angle - bouncing up the stairs.

But People Magazine hailed her as one of the best dressed women of 2008.

835 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:35:32am

re: #825 Walter L. Newton

Your so correct Mandy. As I mentioned in my comment above (re: #788) a lot of these firms are just ignoring the laws. It's become rampant, IMHO.

Debtors need to fight back. I'd report each instance of violation to the state attrorney general's office and the FTC.

836 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:35:39am

re: #819 Shug

or Oklahoma

I didn't include them because their game next week should be a good matchup.

837 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:35:44am
838 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:35:56am

re: #818 sattv4u2

I would love to have seen them have to play Texas, Alabama, or even Texas Tech

Yup

839 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:35:59am

re: #833 opnion

Everbody knows that you do not openly discuss security on an aircraft.
They were trying to provoke an incident & they did.
Put em on the no fly list. Totally innocent citizens get put on there by accdent & have to crawl over broken glass to get off.

Heh.
Totally innocent people haven't got CAIR to back them up ...

840 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:36:03am

re: #815 Wyatt Earp

Go (Sheriff) Lobos!

right...Go away!
just kidding

841 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:36:05am

hey Dorian, how ya doing? Back at work yet? re: #734 doriangrey

842 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:36:15am

re: #827 realwest

Yeah... sounds like he's long gone... unless he lives there.

843 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:36:20am

re: #832 buzzsawmonkey

They're afraid they'd be kilt if they tried it, so they skirt the issue rather than address it.

Oh, bravo! A three-fer.

844 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:36:28am

re: #707 Wyatt Earp

Thank you, Owie Mandel. :)


Y'all go stand in the corner right now young man! facing the wall!
:)*

Always make sure the person you're kidding knows your kidding, especially when they are armed!

845 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:36:32am

re: #826 Killgore Trout

Palestinian child abuse...
Yahoo pic
Palestinian boys hold the Quran, Islam's holy book, as they wear fake explosives belts during a rally called by Hamas and the Islamic Jihad

Is it OK to blow up a Quran? Or just ok for Shaheeds? Or to the forfeit their virgins?

846 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:36:45am

re: #798 buzzsawmonkey

Ogden Nash had this to say on the subject:

Sure, deck your lower limbs in pants;
Yours are the limbs, my sweeting.
You look divine as you advance
Have you seen yourself retreating?

Obama said he would change the world's opinion of the US - so now we have the first lady in sweats.

847 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:37:25am

re: #827 realwest

Um, it's been about 3 hours or so now since I know he was sighted headed into our garden apartment complex.
I reckon they caught him or he's a looong way away by now - our local police are VERY fast reponders - less than two minutes and they had five squad cars here.

Or he's hiding near your stairwell...

848 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:37:27am

re: #806 rawmuse

Nine Muslims removed from a flight.

For a long time now, I have been very careful about what I said in airports and on airlines. So has everyone I know, which does not include any Muslims. I knew I might be detained and didn't want to be. With all the trouble we take now over airline security, I would rather they err on the side of too much, rather than too little security.

849 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:37:44am
850 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:37:53am

re: #846 DistantThunder

Obama said he would change the world's opinion of the US - so now we have the first lady in sweats.

Change!

851 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:19am

re: #806 rawmuse

Nine Muslims removed from a flight.

I bet they're talking to CAIR.

852 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:21am

Howdy.

Caroline Glick being her usual cheerful self:

Since Tuesday it has become clear that the Olmert-Livni-Barak government has decided to end the war with Iran's Hamas proxy army in Gaza as quickly as possible. That is, the government has decided to lose the war.

853 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:24am

re: #826 Killgore Trout

Palestinian child abuse...
Yahoo pic


If that bomb goes off he can be charged with a hate crime for Koran abuse

/

854 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:38am

re: #848 legalpad

For a long time now, I have been very careful about what I said in airports and on airlines. So has everyone I know, which does not include any Muslims. I knew I might be detained and didn't want to be. With all the trouble we take now over airline security, I would rather they err on the side of too much, rather than too little security.

True, but unfortunately you know AirTran is going to get sued over this!

855 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:44am

re: #844 realwest

Y'all go stand in the corner right now young man! facing the wall!
:)*

Always make sure the person you're kidding knows your kidding, especially when they are armed!

That should be easy. Isn't everyone here armed? :)

856 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:50am

re: #846 DistantThunder

Obama said he would change the world's opinion of the US - so now we have the first lady in sweats.

Hillary will have to find a fashionable Sweatpant suit for the inauguration ceremony.

857 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:53am

re: #834 redstateredneck

But People Magazine hailed her as one of the best dressed women of 2008.

It's a lack of class, and low social status - blue collar grunge has come to the white house.

858 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:53am

re: #851 MandyManners

I bet they're talking to CAIR.

Gotta get that lawsuit up and running... there are bucks to be made off guilty infidels.

859 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:38:59am

re: #841 apachegunner

hey Dorian, how ya doing? Back at work yet?

Well Kind of, and kind of not... ;) Went back to work last Monday, worked through Wednesday, then took yesterday and today off. Go back again next Monday.

860 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:39:11am

re: #826 Killgore Trout

Palestinian child abuse...
Yahoo pic

The worst thing about that is that it makes Islam look bad.

/

861 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:39:31am

re: #738 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Doing fine... a little concerned about your bank robber.


Uh, why, do y'all know him?!

862 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:39:32am

re: #856 mich-again

Hillary will have to find a fashionable Sweatpant suit for the inauguration ceremony.

More reasons to avoid watching any of the coverage.

863 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:39:37am

re: #849 buzzsawmonkey

I am not going to rewrite "The Lady in Red" as "The Lady in Sweats."

Not today, anyway.

You're no fun.

864 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:39:43am

re: #845 Kosh's Shadow

Is it OK to blow up a Quran? Or just ok for Shaheeds? Or to the forfeit their virgins?

Silly. You KNOW they'll take the book from him before they send him inot the pizza parlor to go BOOOMMM!

865 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:40:07am

re: #854 sattv4u2

True, but unfortunately you know AirTran is going to get sued over this!

The courts need a lot of work.

866 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:40:29am

re: #826 Killgore Trout

Palestinian child abuse...
Yahoo pic

The kid is holding the Koran upside down with his left hand. Chop-Chop!

867 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:40:34am

re: #861 realwest

Uh, why, do y'all know him?!

ROFL.

Just let me take off this mask and stash the big bag with the dollar-sign on it and I'll be right out.

868 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:40:45am

re: #835 MandyManners

Debtors need to fight back. I'd report each instance of violation to the state attrorney general's office and the FTC.

The biggest problem I am finding with the two creditors I mention above is that they don't want to do anything in writing. I have sent both of them a 3 page letter dealing with my current situation and it breaks down every penny I make and spend.

One creditor wanted me to start sending 1/2 the amount of my monthly payment, so I asked them to send that agreement in writing to me, and they won't do it.

The other creditor keeps telling me they have not seen my letter (even though I sent it registered and return receipt). I don't doubt the person calling me hasn't seen the letter, since he is calling from Asia somewhere.

The bottom line is I'm not destitute, I can pay something on these two accounts, but they aren't set up to do that, they are set up to have to charge the full amount off, sell the paper, leave it up to someone else to collect it and then go to the government and ask for a bailout.

I've told these two companies that I am arranging my own bailout. They don't think that's funny.

869 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:40:53am

re: #858 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Gotta get that lawsuit up and running... there are bucks to be made off guilty infidels.

Who of course are guilty because they are infidels.

870 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:41:01am

re: #831 Iron Fist

He's a phoney homo? Is that kind of like being Andrew Sullivan?

I'm not sure which is worse - listening to a phoney homo or a homey phono.

871 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:41:46am

re: #869 doriangrey

Who of course are guilty because they are infidels.

You are catching on quick, kid. Not bad for a rock star.

872 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:42:30am
873 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:42:31am

re: #852 Occasional Reader

Howdy.

Caroline Glick being her usual cheerful self:

Feeling totally sick now ...

874 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:42:36am

Dear Air Tran.

I like your airline. The aircraft are new and clean. Your fares are low, and I like the in-seat Satellite radio.
But if you cave in to CAIR, I will fly somebody else.

If you stand up to the sheikh-down artists, I will fly you even more

875 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:42:37am

re: #871 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You are catching on quick, kid. Not bad for a rock star.

Hey now, not all Rock stars and dumb as well Rock Stars... ;P

876 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:43:18am

re: #875 doriangrey

Hey now, not all Rock stars and dumb as well Rock Stars... ;P

and=are :O

877 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:43:32am
878 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:43:37am
879 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:43:41am

re: #767 Taqiyyotomist

Please tell me our next first lady doesn't wear sweats in public. I can see that at Wal-Mart.

The only proper time for a First Lady to wear sweats publicly is if she is engaged in athletics of some kind. She needs to realize that everything she does will be observed, scrutinized and criticized—often by international leaders and powers who are looking for any weakness or edge to use against the US and the POTUS. She's not pretty enough to use wearing sweats to gain an advantage against them, except perhaps as a distraction and annoyance.

880 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:44:14am

re: #766 Wyatt Earp
NOOO! GACK. Wyatt I thought you had some taste; now I see it's all in your mouth!
:)

881 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:44:20am

well, I guess thats a "kinda" huh? re: #859 doriangrey

882 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:44:24am

re: #877 Iron Fist

Always. With multiple weapons. If you don't have a weapon with you, a temporary weapon will be issued to you. You'd better take care of it, because they will want it back when you leave :-)

Sign at LGF: "Check Your Weapons at the Door . . . to Insure that they're Loaded."

883 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:44:28am

Another one...
Mosque Used For Weapons Storage Taken Out By IAF 1.01.2008

884 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:44:29am

re: #851 MandyManners

re: #806 rawmuse

Nine Muslims removed from a flight.

I bet they're talking to CAIR.

Before they ever boarded that flight.

885 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:44:31am

re: #873 yma o hyd

Feeling totally sick now ...

I dont know...she didnt seem to say much to back up her claim except telling us what we already know then dashing it with her own tripe...more garbage

886 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:44:45am

re: #858 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Gotta get that lawsuit up and running... there are bucks to be made off guilty infidels.

I don't see this one flying.

887 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:45:02am

re: #848 legalpad

For a long time now, I have been very careful about what I said in airports and on airlines. So has everyone I know, which does not include any Muslims. I knew I might be detained and didn't want to be. With all the trouble we take now over airline security, I would rather they err on the side of too much, rather than too little security.

I was going through LAX security a few days ago, and the TSA guy was shouting at all the cattle in line, "Take off all coats, shoes, gloves and hats before proceeding through the metal detector!"

I was wearing a hat instead of a wig, because it was going to be a long flight, so I told the TSA guy, "I can't remove my hat for religious reasons." He hollered, "Female assistance on line 3!"

Two TSA gals came running over and collected my coat, my shoes, my cell phone, my laptop, my laptop case and my handbag from the conveyer belt and escorted me respectfully into the "hijab removal partition" where I showed them my hair, and then they helped me put all my stuff together while everybody else was stumbling around to grab their stuff out of the bins as it all rolled off the conveyer.

From now on, I will always wear a head covering when I go through security in order to guarantee first-class service!

(note: this applies to LAX only. In Detroit they do not even bother to screen for head coverings, and in Frankfurt they are nazi beasts)

888 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:45:09am

re: #880 realwest

NOOO! GACK. Wyatt I thought you had some taste; now I see it's all in your mouth!
:)

It must be the fumes from the Mighty Putty. Heh.

889 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:45:11am

re: #875 doriangrey

re: #876 doriangrey

Any additional evidence you want to present before the case goes to the jury?

890 ayatollah ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:45:13am

Day 7

"I call on the resistance to continue pounding Jewish settlements and cities," said Sheikh Abdelrahman al-Jamal. "We will remain on the path of jihad until the end of days."

Good luck with that buddy, if I were you I would hope for an Israeli prison rather than a PA administered dungeon.

The papers are full of silly happy talk about a truce but when sheep like Ehud Olmert speak of an "iron fist" the happy talk is only to give the stripe pants set something to do while the war moves on to the next phase. Hamas cannot back down and Israel won't back down. No one takes the kind of attacks Israel has endured for the last week and then calls a cease fire knowing the war criminals you fight will just rearm for the next round. How about there is no next round? In addition, Hamas' smarter leaders would love a truce right now but can't say it. By giving the appearance of talks Israel gets some operational surprise when the ground forces go in.

Do not watch the words, watch the deeds. In addition, watch the north because if Iran is going to escalate it will happen when Israel invades Gaza.

All Jewish institutions worldwide should speak to local police authorities regarding Hamas threat to attack Zionist interests world-wide. Hamas has an international arm and the morality to use it.

Gilad Shalit, hang on, brother, you are coming home soon.

891 Gang of One  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:45:25am

re: #829 MandyManners

I know some men that would look better in skirts.

With or without hose?

892 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:45:47am

re: #814 MandyManners

Actually, I googled the number itself. Here google this:

[no phone numbers allowed] (don't worry, stinky, it's not a person...it's a collection agency in Flint, MI)

Many sites devoted to horror stories, all called by this number. I don't know if they break the law or not. They annoyed the hell out of me, but thats about all. I only talked to them once, about 6 months ago, to tell them I work twenty hours a week and that I'd pay when I could.

893 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:46:16am

re: #852 Occasional Reader

Howdy.

Caroline Glick being her usual cheerful self:

I see what you mean. She gets a lot of the facts right and it's not pretty, but she's maybe ignoring some positives.

Yet I agree with her summary, that the Olmert-Livney-Barack government is clueless and the current military and diplomatic initiatives are - misconceived, let's say.

894 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:46:34am

re: #879 David IV of Georgia

The only proper time for a First Lady to wear sweats publicly is if she is engaged in athletics of some kind. She needs to realize that everything she does will be observed, scrutinized and criticized—often by international leaders and powers who are looking for any weakness or edge to use against the US and the POTUS. She's not pretty enough to use wearing sweats to gain an advantage against them, except perhaps as a distraction and annoyance.

Now cindy McCain has the figure to look great in sweat pants but she hs too much class to wear them around. Remember the reporter who said that Obama's plane stank? Lack of attention to grooming and hygiene could account for that.

895 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:46:47am

Good morning you all, there is a picture of 'wife of zero' in sweats?

896 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:47:06am

re: #873 yma o hyd

Feeling totally sick now ...

I admire Glick tremendously, but I have to desperately hope she's wrong on this one.

897 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:47:11am

re: #685 Kosh's Shadow

The hospitals make deals with the insurance companies and screw everyone else.
Sometimes, you can see this in the bills.
I had one for some routine tests; the bill was something like $270
I paid $20 co-payment; the insurance paid maybe $50, and the rest was "adjusted" away.

The health care billing process is bizarre for sure- the closest thing I can think of that it resembles is stock trading with the provider billing at an "ask" rate and the insurance company paying at a "bid" rate.

The bids and asks go back and forth until a bargain is struck.

Of course the poor sick schmuck caught in the middle is simply fodder for the mill...

898 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:47:25am

re: #883 Killgore Trout

Another one...
Mosque Used For Weapons Storage Taken Out By IAF 1.01.2008


Quick note to Israel... The more Mosques you blow up, the fewer weapons Hamas will have.

899 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:47:49am

re: #895 newsjunkie_ky

Good morning you all, there is a picture of 'wife of zero' in sweats?

The First gadonkadonk

900 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:47:59am

re: #774 Golem Akbar
Good for you Golem! I, regrettably, remained an 11-Bravo. A college graduated ENLISTED NOT DRAFTED 11-B.
Army Truism: they put bodies where they need bodies.
Period.

901 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:48:05am

re: #868 Walter L. Newton

The biggest problem I am finding with the two creditors I mention above is that they don't want to do anything in writing. I have sent both of them a 3 page letter dealing with my current situation and it breaks down every penny I make and spend.

One creditor wanted me to start sending 1/2 the amount of my monthly payment, so I asked them to send that agreement in writing to me, and they won't do it.

The other creditor keeps telling me they have not seen my letter (even though I sent it registered and return receipt). I don't doubt the person calling me hasn't seen the letter, since he is calling from Asia somewhere.

The bottom line is I'm not destitute, I can pay something on these two accounts, but they aren't set up to do that, they are set up to have to charge the full amount off, sell the paper, leave it up to someone else to collect it and then go to the government and ask for a bailout.

I've told these two companies that I am arranging my own bailout. They don't think that's funny.

I useta' work in collections years ago and we were ordered to get that PIF and to not accept any payment plan. The only times I recall that happening is when I was collecting from someone in the military. I knew to call the CO and the PIF was done immediately.

902 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:48:07am

re: #894 DistantThunder

Now cindy McCain has the figure to look great in sweat pants but she hs too much class to wear them around. Remember the reporter who said that Obama's plane stank? Lack of attention to grooming and hygiene could account for that.

Yeah, but that could have been the collective B.O. of the media slob crowd.

903 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:48:13am

re: #894 DistantThunder

Now cindy McCain has the figure to look great in sweat pants but she hs too much class to wear them around. Remember the reporter who said that Obama's plane stank? Lack of attention to grooming and hygiene could account for that.

Careful now... this could rapidly degenerate into a cultural "that's just how it is in the ghetto" thing.

904 jamgarr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:48:22am

Check out the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act for additional info.

905 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:48:38am

re: #895 newsjunkie_ky

Good morning you all, there is a picture of 'wife of zero' in sweats?

Someone had one upthread as she was boarding her plane broom

906 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:48:50am
907 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:48:50am

re: #887 Alouette

I was going through LAX security a few days ago

Is there any other kind?

908 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:04am

re: #893 itellu3times

I see what you mean. She gets a lot of the facts right and it's not pretty, but she's maybe ignoring some positives.

Yet I agree with her summary, that the Olmert-Livney-Barack government is clueless and the current military and diplomatic initiatives are - misconceived, let's say.

well we'll never know how clueless til it ends eh?...seems their cluelessness has kept the freedom fighters off balance so far...it's not over yet

909 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:14am

re: #879 David IV of Georgia

The only proper time for a First Lady to wear sweats publicly is if she is engaged in athletics of some kind. She needs to realize that everything she does will be observed, scrutinized and criticized—often by international leaders and powers who are looking for any weakness or edge to use against the US and the POTUS. She's not pretty enough to use wearing sweats to gain an advantage against them, except perhaps as a distraction and annoyance.

LOOKIST!

910 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:15am

re: #895 newsjunkie_ky

Good morning you all, there is a picture of 'wife of zero' in sweats?

It was a newsclip at fox showing her jogging up the stairs to board the plane in hawaii - with her huge trunk.

911 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:16am

WHOA - Just got another recorded call that the armed suspect in the bank robbery HAS NOT been apprehended and is still believed to be in my garden apartment complex!
Reckon I'll nap later on!

912 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:42am

re: #887 Alouette

in Frankfurt they are nazi beasts

Tell me about that. We may be going to Stuttgart in the near future.

913 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:46am
914 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:52am

re: #902 Alouette

Yeah, but that could have been the collective B.O. of the media slob crowd.

Reporter claimed that the McCain plane was always fresh, and in good condition.

915 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:53am

re: #884 Spiny Norman

Before they ever boarded that flight.

You mean they would stoop to a set-up? Oh, noez.

916 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:54am

re: #889 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

re: #876 doriangrey

Any additional evidence you want to present before the case goes to the jury?

How about this picture of your mom wearing combat boots? j/k... ;p

917 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:49:55am

re: #873 yma o hyd

Feeling totally sick now ...


I've got to believe that most Israelis are aware of this, and for that reason are voting Likud (Netanyahu). Despite the action now underway.

918 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:50:23am
919 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:51:04am

re: #917 Golem Akbar

I've got to believe that most Israelis are aware of this, and for that reason are voting Likud (Netanyahu). Despite the action now underway.

It's BEBE's turn.

920 jamgarr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:51:30am

re: #904 jamgarr

Check out the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act for additional info.


BTW - the cite is 15. U.S.C. 1692 et seq.

921 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:51:53am

re: #911 realwest

WHOA - Just got another recorded call that the armed suspect in the bank robbery HAS NOT been apprehended and is still believed to be in my garden apartment complex!
Reckon I'll nap later on!

Keep your door locked and stay safe...

922 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:51:53am

re: #900 realwest

Good for you Golem! I, regrettably, remained an 11-Bravo. A college graduated ENLISTED NOT DRAFTED 11-B.
Army Truism: they put bodies where they need bodies.
Period.

Sometimes they actually think about it. I showed up at Ft Benning in 1982 with orders assigning me to the 197th Inf Bde (gasp). The people at the repl depl on the post took one look at my records and held me in limbo for three days while they worked out a deal with the Ranger Training Bde.

I ended up assigned to the Florida Phase as cadre for the best year of my service life.

923 Gang of One  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:51:58am

re: #911 realwest

WHOA - Just got another recorded call that the armed suspect in the bank robbery HAS NOT been apprehended and is still believed to be in my garden apartment complex!
Reckon I'll nap later on!

Hey Real! Please, be careful ...

924 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:52:05am

re: #911 realwest

WHOA - Just got another recorded call that the armed suspect in the bank robbery HAS NOT been apprehended and is still believed to be in my garden apartment complex!
Reckon I'll nap later on!

RW are you sure you didn't have a "black out" earlier?/

925 frred  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:52:08am

re: #909 MandyManners


Remember in Seinfeld where they said wearing sweats was a sign you'd given up caring how you look in public?

926 jamgarr  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:52:35am

re: #911 realwest

WHOA - Just got another recorded call that the armed suspect in the bank robbery HAS NOT been apprehended and is still believed to be in my garden apartment complex!
Reckon I'll nap later on!


Yikes!

927 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:52:43am

re: #891 Gang of One

With or without hose?

Shaved or unshaved?

928 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:52:53am

re: #923 Gang of One

Hey Real! Please, be careful ...

Indeed.

929 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:52:58am

JOhn Cleese - How to irritate people - in a plane.

930 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:52:59am

re: #916 doriangrey

Noted, but the judge doesn't see the relevance to your "Not just a Rock Star"case.

:-P

931 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:53:43am

re: #882 Wyatt Earp

Sign at LGF: "Check Your Weapons at the Door . . . to InsureEnsure that they're Loaded."

[pet peeve, sorry... you "insure" something with AIG. Oops, well, maybe no longer!]

932 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:53:44am

re: #930 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Noted, but the judge doesn't see the relevance to your "Not just a Rock Star"case.

:-P

I know I am, but what are you... ;p

933 Gang of One  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:54:03am

re: #927 MandyManners

Shaved or unshaved?

With hose, you gotta shave -- aesthetics and all that.

934 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:54:24am

Maybe once she's in the WH, she'll use the same hairstylist as McKinney.

935 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:54:26am

re: #892 Taqiyyotomist

Actually, I googled the number itself. Here google this:

[no phone numbers allowed] (don't worry, stinky, it's not a person...it's a collection agency in Flint, MI)

Many sites devoted to horror stories, all called by this number. I don't know if they break the law or not. They annoyed the hell out of me, but thats about all. I only talked to them once, about 6 months ago, to tell them I work twenty hours a week and that I'd pay when I could.

Have you thought to Google the name and either the initials FDCPA or Fair Debt Collection Practices Act?

936 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:54:31am

re: #931 Occasional Reader

[pet peeve, sorry... you "insure" something with AIG. Oops, well, maybe no longer!]

Thanks, OR! Must be off my game today.

937 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:54:42am

re: #932 doriangrey

I know I am, but what are you... ;p

Not a Rock Star?

/OK... you win.

938 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:54:46am

re: #890 ayatollah ghilmeini

In addition, watch the north because if Iran is going to escalate it will happen when Israel invades Gaza.

Of course Israel must be ready for that possibility, and that might be another reason (in addition to the weather) for why they have not yet launched the ground ops.
Personally, I doubt Iran will play the Hexbollah card now. It is more likely that they will want to keep the Hexbollah powder dry in case they need to use it later to try to delay an Israeli strike at their nukes. On the other hand, Hexbollah is quite capable of acting independently of Iran as they apparently did in 2006.

939 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:54:47am

re: #788 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter - I have no doubts at all that you know what you're talking about, but I know what I'm talking about too. As for your

They don't care, they will hang up on you, they will say what they want and they seem to have no concern that there are laws involved, laws that they are breaking.

They always say "this call may be monitered (that is, tape recorded) to which I aways tell 'em I'm recording our conversation too - and I used to. I'd also tell 'em that when we went to court if they didn't have or "couldn't" find their tape recording of our conversation, the Court would accept mine. The honest ones always said "sure, ok". The real dirty scumbags ALWAYS hung up at that point.

940 Gang of One  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:55:05am

re: #934 Taqiyyotomist

Maybe once she's in the WH, she'll use the same hairstylist as McKinney.

Methinks McKinney is her stylist.

941 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:55:10am

re: #934 Taqiyyotomist

Maybe once she's in the WH, she'll use the same hairstylist as McKinney.

And that will be "O-Tay!"

942 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:55:15am

re: #934 Taqiyyotomist

Maybe once she's in the WH, she'll use the same hairstylist as McKinney.

gawd...RetoChange!

943 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:55:24am

re: #785 MandyManners

I'll give her points for not caring. Sometimes women get too concerned about what others will think about our rear-view.

I won't give her points for not caring. She's in the spot light now and she must care whether she likes it or not.

That said, there is sooo much that scares me about Barry and Michelle. Important stuff. Michelle's appearance should not be a big (no pun intended, really) concern for us. Maybe on a slow news day, but I hope it's not something we dwell on.

944 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:55:42am

re: #918 Ojoe

Some men would look better in skirts.

Remote linking forbidden.

945 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:55:49am

or her hero re: #940 Gang of One

946 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:55:51am

re: #940 Gang of One

Methinks McKinney is her stylist.

/Runs from room screaming...

947 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:55:56am

re: #937 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not a Rock Star?

/OK... you win.

ROTFLMAO... You got to get up mighty late in the morning to argue with an imbecile and lose... ;)

948 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:56:02am

re: #915 MandyManners

You mean they would stoop to a set-up? Oh, noez.

The Flying Imams, Round Two.

949 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:56:03am

re: #936 Wyatt Earp

Thanks, OR! Must be off my game today.

It's admittedly a fairly fine "usage" point, not flat-out "incorrect".

950 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:56:05am

Condi calls for truce and blames Hamas.

Condi and the US would be better served - as would Israel if the terms 'victory' and 'unconditional surrender' had not been eliminated from the vocabulary of the West.

You want to beat Hamas? Defeat them unconditionally.

You want peace? Assure Israel's victory.

Everything else gives comfort to terrorists.

Of course, Israel's own leaders need to abide by those same directives. Stop with the namby pamby nonsense and go for victory. Demand unconditional surrender. If Israel stops short again, it will mean only another war down the road with still more devastating results.

951 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:56:59am

re: #910 DistantThunder

It was a newsclip at fox showing her jogging up the stairs to board the plane in hawaii - with her huge trunk.


Yikes! she does carry a lot of junk in that trunk. Tried googling the image but no luck. Bet that picture will disappear.

952 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:57:11am

re: #925 frred

Remember in Seinfeld where they said wearing sweats was a sign you'd given up caring how you look in public?

I'll run to the convenience store or take The Kid to the park while wearing them but, that's my limit. Maybe it hasn't sunk in to WAB that she is in the public eye when she is boarding and getting off that plane.

953 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:57:24am

re: #944 MandyManners

That was a photo of you?

954 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:57:27am

re: #947 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... You got to get up mighty late in the morning to argue with an imbecile and lose... ;)

I bow to your superior imbecile-fu.

955 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:57:31am

re: #811 Wyatt Earp

Did you just call me a homo? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

///

I think we are all opun to it here.

956 faraway  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:58:00am

Gaza is the precursor to how Pakistan is handled. Same situation. Proxy war fighters inside your own borders.

957 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:58:09am

re: #911 realwest

Hey realwest,
you all be carefull. the police actually call you with an alert? Wow.

958 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:58:31am

re: #879 David IV of Georgia

The only proper time for a First Lady to wear sweats publicly is if she is engaged in athletics of some kind. She needs to realize that everything she does will be observed, scrutinized and criticized—often by international leaders and powers who are looking for any weakness or edge to use against the US and the POTUS. She's not pretty enough to use wearing sweats to gain an advantage against them, except perhaps as a distraction and annoyance.

I'll bet money that Laura Bush has never worn sweats in public.

959 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:58:34am

Good afternoon, Lizards? Just a reminder that Mark Steyn is filling in for Rush today. I expect hilarity to ensue. Here's a link to listen online.

960 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:58:41am

re: #952 MandyManners

I'll run to the convenience store or take The Kid to the park while wearing them but, that's my limit. Maybe it hasn't sunk in to WAB that she is in the public eye when she is boarding and getting off that plane.


She's used to boarding and getting off her broom out of the publics eyes, except for the flying monkeys

961 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:58:44am

OK... where is this sweat-pants photo anyway? I think I've digested far enough there is no danger.

962 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:58:50am

re: #808 doriangrey

Some how I always have trouble thinking of you as a Lawyer, but find it easy to think of you as an advocate. ;)

Good morning dorian! Thanks (I think!). But I am a lawyer - withdrew from the bar when I was physically no longer to work as an attorney, but still have that training and experience and can always be admitted "pro se" if I need to be.
And a GOOD lawyer is ALWAYS a good advocate!

963 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:58:56am

re: #954 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I bow to your superior imbecile-fu.

ROTFLMAO... I think I resemble that remark... ;P

964 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:59:02am

re: #817 realwest

The media is having a drink with the Dems.


The media are nincompoops. Seriously. They are all going out of business. Instead of doing the hard work necessary to increase viewership (i.e., being credible watchdogs), they produce fluff pieces or attack pieces. The public has caught on, both sides of the political aisle, and just tunes them out.

965 AuntAcid  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:59:15am

re: #851 MandyManners

I bet they're talking to CAIR.

I long for the time when life was cairfree.

966 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:59:20am

re: #951 newsjunkie_ky

Yikes! she does carry a lot of junk in that trunk. Tried googling the image but no luck. Bet that picture will disappear.

yep...these are the Scubmasters...now you see it now you dont and it was never there in the first place!

967 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:59:42am

re: #933 Gang of One

With hose, you gotta shave -- aesthetics and all that.

Or, braid.

968 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:59:44am
969 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 8:59:56am

Back to Glick:

As for cease-fire talks, as the IAF finds fewer and fewer targets to hit, those hypothetical talks have become the government's new focus. On Monday and Tuesday, Turkey, Egypt and the EU all began offering various truce arrangements between Israel and Hamas. On Tuesday, Israel opted to pursue the European track. On Thursday, Livni travelled to Paris to discuss it with French President Nicolas Sarkozy ahead of his trip to the region on Monday.

Apparently the government's decision to go with Europe is based on aesthetics. The Europeans have been more polite to Israel than Turkey or Egypt have. But the fact is that there is little substantive difference between any of the cease-fire offers now being bandied about.

Hamas, for its part, has accepted all of the proposals on the table, and this makes sense. The Europeans, the Egyptians and the Turks have all adopted Hamas's demand for control of its land and sea borders as a starting point. None has included any demands for Hamas to disarm, end its weapons trafficking or commit itself to a permanent cease-fire.

Again, I hope Glick is wrong. And she doesn't seem to be addressing the apparently upcoming ground operation much.

970 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:00:06am

re: #934 Taqiyyotomist

Maybe once she's in the WH, she'll use the same hairstylist as McKinney.

AAAIIIYYEEE!

971 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:00:18am

re: #813 Shug
Good morning Shug - hey, you me and 20 other lizards could beat the Lions this year! LOL!

972 Broomer  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:00:35am

re: #893 itellu3times

I just fired an email to Honest Reporting that if there's a ceasefire with Hamas that maintain the status quo, then Honest Reporting should close up shop because they're being backstabbed by the Knesset. Any donation to HR is money down the drain.

I'd rather send my donations to the Israeli soldiers. Got any suggestion?

973 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:00:38am

Palestinian human shield watch...
RAW (Graphic): Scene After IDF Attack In Gaza 1/1/09

You'll notice the first maasked gunman laying among the civilians at about 0:30. Another one at 1:10, another at 1:52, another one at 1:58, again at 3:15, and 3:49...etc. Also notice that the fighters get first priority while most of the human shields are ignored.

974 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:00:53am

re: #935 MandyManners

Have you thought to Google the name and either the initials FDCPA or Fair Debt Collection Practices Act?

I did, and here's what I came up with. In the second link at the google search, there is this comment (this is the agency which has been calling me):

Comment from TJONES@MERMED.COM on November 25, 2008 at 12:01PM EST

Agencies keep making news that reflect poorly on the good and complient ones like ours. Our agency will not sacrifice good collections with violations. If we get a complaint from the client or a debtor it is completely investigated and responded to. If the collector or our agency was in violation the problem will be corrected and not repeated. We've dismissed many a employee in our 48 years of doing business for repeated violations or depending on the severity on the 1st violation sometimes immediate dismissal! If looking for a new agency this should be paramount in the decision making process.

I'm guessing they're not a bad co.

975 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:01:36am

re: #968 buzzsawmonkey

Should be there momentarily; they're radio-dispatched.

The Twink Squad, in their distinctive Twink Squad cars?
(nttawtt)

976 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:01:46am

Later Lizards... time to finally go see if I can get out of vacation mode and back to work.

/cleverly scheduled for a Friday, so fat chance of getting anything done. Bwhaha.

977 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:01:57am

re: #943 DeafDog

I won't give her points for not caring. She's in the spot light now and she must care whether she likes it or not.

That said, there is sooo much that scares me about Barry and Michelle. Important stuff. Michelle's appearance should not be a big (no pun intended, really) concern for us. Maybe on a slow news day, but I hope it's not something we dwell on.

I've modified my POV. Maybe WAB doesn't realize that she is in the public eye as she gets on and off that plane. Once she's on the plane, though, she should wear what is comfortable. It *is* public property but, there's gotta' be a line drawn at some point.

978 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:02:20am
979 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:02:29am

re: #948 Spiny Norman

The Flying Imams, Round Two.

What happened with Round One?

980 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:02:36am

re: #962 realwest

Good morning dorian! Thanks (I think!). But I am a lawyer - withdrew from the bar when I was physically no longer to work as an attorney, but still have that training and experience and can always be admitted "pro se" if I need to be.
And a GOOD lawyer is ALWAYS a good advocate!

An advocate is someone working to protect the rights of another individual or group of individuals, a lawyer is someone making money by manipulating the legal system. I have had the good fortune and misfortune of knowing individuals from both groups.

981 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:02:42am

Presidential junk
In the presidential trunk
Wrapped in a sweat suit

982 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:02:47am

I believe it was thrown out re: #979 MandyManners

983 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:03:05am

re: #953 Ojoe

That was a photo of you?

Nope.

984 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:03:33am

re: #981 Shug

Presidential junk
In the presidential trunk
Wrapped in a sweat suit

No. I refuse to allow that image. Blocked.

985 Gang of One  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:03:40am

re: #967 MandyManners

Or, braid.

Mine doesn't grow out long enough.

986 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:03:52am

re: #960 sattv4u2

She's used to boarding and getting off her broom out of the publics eyes, except for the flying monkeys

Good one.

987 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:03:59am

re: #832 buzzsawmonkey

They're afraid they'd be kilt if they tried it, so they skirt the issue rather than address it.


OK Buzz - YOU go to the corner and stand there facing the wall and think about what you've done!

988 apachegunner  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:05:06am

seeya lizards, off to home and a pair of sweats...

989 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:05:33am

re: #988 apachegunner

seeya lizards, off to home and a pair of sweats...

Later apache

990 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:05:38am

re: #965 AuntAcid

I long for the time when life was cairfree.

Bastards got a shot in the arm on 9-11-01.

991 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:05:38am

re: #969 Occasional Reader

Back to Glick:

Again, I hope Glick is wrong. And she doesn't seem to be addressing the apparently upcoming ground operation much.

alot of pundits would love to call the outcome before it happens...it's just speculation the way I see it...you're right about the incursion...that surely has to count for something...I dont think the IDF is piling up all those troops and armor just to frighten Hamas...I think they are going in short of a total collapse of Hamas

992 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:06:10am

re: #984 Taqiyyotomist

No. I refuse to allow that image. Blocked.


Wrapped in a sweat suit
Goes the first badonkadonk
The nation's booty

993 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:06:11am

Peyton Manning voted AP's NFL MVP

NEW YORK (AP) - Peyton Manning has joined Brett Favre as the only three-time winners of The Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player Award.
The Indianapolis Colts quarterback was a landslide winner Friday in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the NFL. Manning also was the league MVP in 2003, when he shared it with Tennessee quarterback Steve McNair, and in 2004.

Favre, then with Green Bay, took MVP honors in 1995 and '96 before sharing it with Detroit running back Barry Sanders in 1997
Your text to link...

994 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:06:14am

re: #977 MandyManners

I've modified my POV. Maybe WAB doesn't realize that she is in the public eye as she gets on and off that plane. Once she's on the plane, though, she should wear what is comfortable. It *is* public property but, there's gotta' be a line drawn at some point.

Yep, when she's in private she can fart like a cowboy in Blazing Saddles for all I care...but try to hold it in during state dinners, please.

995 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:06:21am

re: #988 apachegunner

seeya lizards, off to home and a pair of sweats...

Just leave the Baileys my friend... ;) See ya down the road...

996 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:06:39am

re: #968 buzzsawmonkey

Should be there momentarily; they're radio-dispatched.

And always up for a new challenge. So, keep a stiff upper lip.

997 AuntAcid  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:07:09am

re: #907 Occasional Reader

Is there any other kind?

I no longer live in LA. Am I now an EX-LAX?

998 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:07:13am

re: #974 Taqiyyotomist

I'm guessing they're not a bad co.

That's what *they* say. I'd be looking for links to court cases with them as defendants.

999 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:07:31am

re: #875 doriangrey

Hey now, not all Rock stars and dumb as well Rock Stars... ;P

No, no not all are, just a few!
/

1000 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:07:32am

re: #977 MandyManners

I've modified my POV. Maybe WAB doesn't realize that she is in the public eye as she gets on and off that plane. Once she's on the plane, though, she should wear what is comfortable. It *is* public property but, there's gotta' be a line drawn at some point.

She was waving.

1001 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:07:58am

re: #985 Gang of One

Mine doesn't grow out long enough.

Maybe you need some extensions.

1002 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:08:31am

Mark Steyn hosting Rush.

1003 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:08:50am

re: #999 realwest

No, no not all are, just a few!
/

I need a bandage for my foot after that one... :O

1004 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:08:50am

re: #994 DeafDog

Yep, when she's in private she can fart like a cowboy in Blazing Saddles for all I care...but try to hold it in during state dinners, please.

Very generous of you!

1005 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:09:53am

I want to be able to hang around LGF all day every day. What kind of job can I get where I can make good $ and work from home?

1006 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:09:55am
1007 angrywhitedude  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:10:10am

#319 If you're going to listen to Tom Waits this weekend, buy or download Mule Variations. It is a great first step with Tom. Some of his stuff is just plain wierd for Waits enthusiasts like me but others are just so beautiful it's hard to explain! I put Tom in the same category with Leonard Cohen who is one of my all-time favorites. Either you get them or you don't. But if you do...then you really do! Happy listening!

Angry White Dude

1008 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:10:17am

re: #832 buzzsawmonkey

They're afraid they'd be kilt if they tried it, so they skirt the issue rather than address it.

Man -- the pantaloon punner! Well played!

1009 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:10:22am

re: #1000 DistantThunder

She was waving.

While I have no affection for WAB, I reckon that the adjustment to being in the fish bowl 24/7 must be difficult.

1010 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:10:25am

re: #1005 father_of_10

I want to be able to hang around LGF all day every day. What kind of job can I get where I can make good $ and work from home?

pimp?

1011 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:10:49am

re: #1004 MandyManners

Very generous of you!

Michelle's views on flatulance were grossly under-reported on the campaign trail, IMO.

/

1012 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:11:01am

re: #974 Taqiyyotomist

Then way have they had to dismiss "many" an employee over the 48 years of doing business.

That's because they will hire what they want, and then if the collector becomes a liability, they will fire him/her.

Turnover in collections is massive, just because of that reason. The statement doesn't mean anything. I would look them up for actual cases, filings, complaints etc.

1013 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:11:01am

re: #1007 angrywhitedude

Have you considered using the reply/quote buttons?

1014 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:11:20am

re: #1010 albusteve

pimp?

Won't work. You have to cruise the streets looking for new girls and stuff. Next?

1015 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:11:42am
1016 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:11:50am

re: #1011 DeafDog

Michelle's views on flatulance were grossly under-reported on the campaign trail, IMO.

/

Around here, The Kid more than made up for it.

1017 Empire1  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:12:08am

Mark Steyn is subbing for Rush today -- love to listen to him!

1018 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:12:15am

re: #913 ploome hineni

why would 'this time' be different?

Maybe they learned from Lebanon?
Glick seems to be a bit premature in her haste to declare defeat, and unless I missed something in the Livni-Sarkozy coverage, Glick materially overstates the degree to which the Israeli government has agreed to any terms of a ceasefire or to any formal EU mediation.

1019 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:12:33am

re: #1017 Empire1

Mark Steyn is subbing for Rush today -- love to listen to him!

I love how he says Ham'ASS

1020 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:12:38am

re: #1014 father_of_10

Won't work. You have to cruise the streets looking for new girls and stuff. Next?

see I didnt know that...

1021 kcladderman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:12:39am

re: #1009 MandyManners

While I have no affection for WAB, I reckon that the adjustment to being in the fish bowl 24/7 must be difficult.

I am sure it takes some getting used to. Though to be honest they have been in one to some extent for two years.

1022 Dianna  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:12:52am

Forgive me if this has already been covered, but the quote for this thread from Klaus Kinski: Why did he hate Werner Herzog so much, and, if he hated him that much, how come he worked with him so often? It looks like Kinski was Herzog's favorite actor.

1023 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:12:52am

re: #1005 father_of_10

I want to be able to hang around LGF all day every day. What kind of job can I get where I can make good $ and work from home?

Three words: Joe Biden

1024 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:13:00am
1025 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:13:49am

re: #1012 Walter L. Newton

Then way have they had to dismiss "many" an employee over the 48 years of doing business.

That's because they will hire what they want, and then if the collector becomes a liability, they will fire him/her.

Turnover in collections is massive, just because of that reason. The statement doesn't mean anything. I would look them up for actual cases, filings, complaints etc.

Another reason for high turn-over is the incredible stress of the job. On the one hand you have a supervisor demanding 100 per cent PIF's every shift. On the other, you have people who are willing to pay what they can and need to set up a schedule to pay.

1026 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:14:25am

re: #1005 father_of_10

I want to be able to hang around LGF all day every day. What kind of job can I get where I can make good $ and work from home?

House dad?

1027 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:14:30am

re: #992 Shug

Wrapped in a sweat suit
Goes the first badonkadonk
The nation's booty

I was going to award you for the first ever use of "badonkadonk" in a haiku.

Then I saw this. Scroll to the sixth one down.

Still, it's gotta be pretty rare usage.

1028 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:14:44am

re: #1015 Iron Fist

I'm not sure how much creedence to give the notion of an "...upcoming ground operation..." It'd be nice if they did it, but I don't see any reason to think that this isn't just more of the same that we've been watching since Oslo, really. I mean, how many "cease fires" does Hamas have to violate before we conclude that there is no "cease fire" to violate?

I think everyone is getting impatient...tactically maybe they are not done with airstrikes...I dunno but time does seem to favor the IDF no?

1029 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:14:58am

re: #1022 Dianna

From what I can gather it was a classic love/hate relationship. The two hated each other but were magical together, and made lots of money together.

1030 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #1021 kcladderman

I am sure it takes some getting used to. Though to be honest they have been in one to some extent for two years.

Nothing like this!

Someone posted a link the other day about CBBHO's reaction to being in "the bubble". I don't recall seeing anything about WAB's reaction.

1031 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #973 Killgore Trout

Addendum: It's a very tough video to watch but if you can manage to make it all the way through you'll see the target of the strike. The Pickup truck at 8:59 has a mortar launcher in the back.

1032 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:15:40am

re: #1022 Dianna

Forgive me if this has already been covered, but the quote for this thread from Klaus Kinski: Why did he hate Werner Herzog so much, and, if he hated him that much, how come he worked with him so often? It looks like Kinski was Herzog's favorite actor.

Only speaking from the business end, actors like Kinski actually need that sort of conflict to bring out the "inner" character.

Also, a lot of actors, once they get use to a director and the way he/she works, is insecure working for anyone else.

It can be a really "sick" give and take, I've seen it many times in live theatre.

1033 Dianna  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:16:05am

re: #1029 rawmuse

From what I can gather it was a classic love/hate relationship. The two hated each other but were magical together, and made lots of money together.

Thanks.

That quote really startled me - so very venomous.

1034 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:16:24am

re: #1014 father_of_10

Won't work. You have to cruise the streets looking for new girls and stuff. Next?

You could look here!

/ducking

//running

///sprinting

1035 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:16:30am
1036 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:16:33am

re: #1014 father_of_10

Won't work. You have to cruise the streets looking for new girls and stuff. Next?

First, make a million dollars, then sit on your ass at home.

1037 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:16:55am

re: #1020 albusteve

see I didnt know that...

Don't you watch ANY TV?

1038 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:17:14am

re: #1015 Iron Fist

I'm not sure how much creedence to give the notion

You see a bad moon rising?

1039 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:17:31am

re: #1033 Dianna

Thanks.

That quote really startled me - so very venomous.

I think it was intended as a form of endearment.

1040 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:17:46am

re: #1022 Dianna

Forgive me if this has already been covered, but the quote for this thread from Klaus Kinski: Why did he hate Werner Herzog so much, and, if he hated him that much, how come he worked with him so often? It looks like Kinski was Herzog's favorite actor.

Wiki said they were great together on the screen.

1041 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:17:48am

re: #1038 Occasional Reader

You see a bad moon rising?


leave Michelle booty alone

1042 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:19:12am

re: #1041 Shug

leave Michelle booty alone

So -- no more cracks about her ass?

1043 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:19:14am

Oh, wonderful!

Steyn just pointed out that the Obama drones thronging to DC for the Inauguration will be sharing the Capital with a gay leather fetishist convention!

1044 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:19:17am

re: #1026 Erik The Red

House dad?

Doesn't pay enough. Mother_of_10 used to be a school teacher, so if I became the house dad and she went back to work, She'd make about $40K . . . doesn't quite work.

1045 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:19:41am
1046 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:19:57am

re: #1031 Killgore Trout

Addendum: It's a very tough video to watch but if you can manage to make it all the way through you'll see the target of the strike. The Pickup truck at 8:59 has a mortar launcher in the back.

And, naturally, Hamas made damn sure their launcher was surrounded by "civilians".

1047 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:19:57am

re: #1042 TaeJohnDo

So -- no more cracks about her ass?

You cheeky, bastard.

1048 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:20:08am

re: #1025 MandyManners

Another reason for high turn-over is the incredible stress of the job. On the one hand you have a supervisor demanding 100 per cent PIF's every shift. On the other, you have people who are willing to pay what they can and need to set up a schedule to pay.

For sure. Like I said, I did it for 7 years. I got out because it was making me a "horrible" person. I couldn't even sit in a bar, hear a "name" and start asking questions like "do you have a sister named..."

And, I know why those Fair Credit laws were set up. I certainly broke every one of them before it ever became illegal.

I was GOOOD!

1049 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:20:19am

re: #979 MandyManners

What happened with Round One?

The lawsuit is still pending, as far as I know (I couldn't find anything about it being thrown out), and the passengers who reported the " imams' " suspicious behavior are still targets of the suit (the "John Does"), although the plaintiffs' lawyers keep changing the language of the complaint. I also recall that the bill to protect passengers from lawsuits for reporting suspicious behavior was killed, as was a similar amendment to a transportation bill. So, at this point, CAIR is winning by their allies in Congress holding everything up.

1050 angrywhitedude  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:20:28am

re: #319 aussiemagpie

If you're going to listen to Tom Waits this weekend, buy or download Mule Variations. It is a great first step with Tom. Some of his stuff is just plain wierd for Waits enthusiasts like me but others are just so beautiful it's hard to explain! I put Tom in the same category with Leonard Cohen who is one of my all-time favorites. Either you get them or you don't. But if you do...then you really do! Happy listening!

Angry White Dude

1051 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:20:30am

re: #1036 legalpad

First, make a million dollars, then sit on your ass at home.

But I'm spending it as fast as I make it!

1052 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:20:47am

re: #1024 buzzsawmonkey

For the first time in her adult life, she can be ashamed of her fashion sense.

Except for her black-widow dress and her uphostlery dress, she seems to have a good sense of style.

1053 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:20:50am

re: #1042 TaeJohnDo

So -- no more cracks about her ass?

Such jokes are the gluteus that binds us together here at LGF.

1054 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:21:26am

AP: Paterson close to picking Caroline

Officials say the daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy will be the governor’s choice to fill the New York Senate seat being vacated by Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Two people close to Gov. David Paterson tell The Associated Press they believe


Your text to link...

1055 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:21:45am

re: #1052 MandyManners

Except for her black-widow dress and her uphostlery dress, she seems to have a good sense of style.

And, don't forget that even Princess Dianna had some bad moments.

1056 legalpad  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:22:02am

re: #1051 father_of_10

But I'm spending it as fast as I make it!

OK, two million then!

1057 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:22:03am

re: #1052 MandyManners

and her uphostlery dress,

Reminds me of Carol Burnett's "Went With the Wind" curtain dress (complete with curtainrods). "I saw it in the window, and I couldn't resist it."

1058 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:22:22am

re: #1053 Occasional Reader

Such jokes are the gluteus that binds us together here at LGF.


The end all, so to speak, eh?

1059 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:22:58am

re: #1054 ThinkRight

AP: Paterson close to picking Caroline


Your text to link...

OHFERFUCKSSAKE.

We fought a Revolution so as not to have "royalty" hand-picked to govern us, didn't we?!

1060 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:23:04am

re: #1032 Walter L. Newton

Musicians also have a long standing tradition of dissing one another, in delightful ways. I got some vids of some concerts I did a while ago, and I was playing the first chair, which had some solos. During the solos (unbeknownst to me at the time) my second chair, during my solos (which, excuse me, were glorious) he could be seen looking at his watch. Then he winds it. Then he takes it off and started banging it on the palm of his hand. It was all good sport.

Later, I locked him in the trunk of his car.

But, we love each other. Really.

1061 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:23:36am

re: #1033 Dianna

Thanks.

That quote really startled me - so very venomous.

I liked the bit about the snot.

1062 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:23:44am

throw the bums out

1063 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:24:30am

re: #1055 MandyManners

And, don't forget that even Princess Dianna had some bad moments.

Unpossible! She was a magical fairy tale princess blah blah blah... and we all deeply mourned her death because we all had an intense personal relationship with her blah blah blah...

1064 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:24:35am

re: #1043 Occasional Reader

Oh, wonderful!

Steyn just pointed out that the Obama drones thronging to DC for the Inauguration will be sharing the Capital with a gay leather fetishist convention!

We gotta' get Zombie on the scene.

1065 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:24:37am

re: #1060 rawmuse

Musicians also have a long standing tradition of dissing one another, in delightful ways. I got some vids of some concerts I did a while ago, and I was playing the first chair, which had some solos. During the solos (unbeknownst to me at the time) my second chair, during my solos (which, excuse me, were glorious) he could be seen looking at his watch. Then he winds it. Then he takes it off and started banging it on the palm of his hand. It was all good sport.

Later, I locked him in the trunk of his car.

But, we love each other. Really.

ROTFLMAO... /Not admitting anything here... But... ROTFLMAO just the same... ;P

1066 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:24:57am
1067 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:25:04am

Steyn proposing that Obama wear leather chaps to the Inauguration.

1068 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:25:23am

re: #1062 Shug

throw the bums out


BUTT we can't help ourselves!

1069 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:25:49am

re: #1037 father_of_10

Don't you watch ANY TV?

well not really...football and some history...I thought maybe pimpin was a cyber thing by now...

1070 kcladderman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:25:58am

re: #1060 rawmuse

Musicians also have a long standing tradition of dissing one another, in delightful ways. I got some vids of some concerts I did a while ago, and I was playing the first chair, which had some solos. During the solos (unbeknownst to me at the time) my second chair, during my solos (which, excuse me, were glorious) he could be seen looking at his watch. Then he winds it. Then he takes it off and started banging it on the palm of his hand. It was all good sport.

Later, I locked him in the trunk of his car.

But, we love each other. Really.

So first chair second chair is kinda like east coast west coast?
///

1071 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:26:03am

re: #1068 TaeJohnDo

BUTT we can't help ourselves!

this whole country is going down the crapper

1072 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:26:21am

re: #1066 ploome hineni

Allahu ackbar and lots of random gunfire.

1073 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:26:30am

re: #1048 Walter L. Newton

For sure. Like I said, I did it for 7 years. I got out because it was making me a "horrible" person. I couldn't even sit in a bar, hear a "name" and start asking questions like "do you have a sister named..."

And, I know why those Fair Credit laws were set up. I certainly broke every one of them before it ever became illegal.

I was GOOOD!

I don't think I lasted seven weeks.

1074 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:26:45am

So, here's a question to the military masses:

Should Israel start using concrete bombs more frequently?

After all, they're just bigger rocks than the ones Hamas and their apparatchiks are busy using? I'd say there's a certain amount of proportionality about it. /

1075 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:27:04am

re: #1052 MandyManners

Except for her black-widow dress and her uphostlery dress, she seems to have a good sense of style.

That black widow dress was just butt ugly.

1076 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:27:09am

re: #1071 Shug

this whole country is going down the crapper


racist !
/

1077 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:27:15am

re: #1059 Occasional Reader

OHFERFUCKSSAKE.

We fought a Revolution so as not to have "royalty" hand-picked to govern us, didn't we?!

This is New York after all, where the Tories had a wee bit of support even during the Revolution. /

1078 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:27:22am

re: #1049 Spiny Norman

The lawsuit is still pending, as far as I know (I couldn't find anything about it being thrown out), and the passengers who reported the " imams' " suspicious behavior are still targets of the suit (the "John Does"), although the plaintiffs' lawyers keep changing the language of the complaint. I also recall that the bill to protect passengers from lawsuits for reporting suspicious behavior was killed, as was a similar amendment to a transportation bill. So, at this point, CAIR is winning by their allies in Congress holding everything up.

Can those passengers be grand-fathered in if and when a bill protecting them is passed?

1079 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:27:23am
1080 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:27:25am

re: #1046 Occasional Reader

And, naturally, Hamas made damn sure their launcher was surrounded by "civilians".

on the up side the price of food should drop...

1081 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:27:28am

re: #1069 albusteve

well not really...football and some history...I thought maybe pimpin was a cyber thing by now...

I thought the epitome of pimping was Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch.

1082 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:28:14am

re: #1057 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of Carol Burnett's "Went With the Wind" curtain dress (complete with curtainrods). "I saw it in the window, and I couldn't resist it."

One of the funniest skits in history.

1083 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:28:38am

RAW: Local Florida Man Videos Pro-Hamas Protests chanting "NUKE ISRAEL"


Hijab Chick sez, "You're losers! Go fuck yourselves. Your mother is a whore"

1084 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:28:39am

re: #1081 father_of_10

I thought the epitome of pimping was Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch.

And Algore pimping carbon credits

1085 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:28:53am
1086 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:29:35am

re: #1063 Occasional Reader

Unpossible! She was a magical fairy tale princess blah blah blah... and we all deeply mourned her death because we all had an intense personal relationship with her blah blah blah...

I did mourn her death. The thought of those little boys being without her just broke my heart.

1087 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:29:52am

re: #1018 Spare O'Lake

Maybe they learned from Lebanon?
Glick seems to be a bit premature in her haste to declare defeat, and unless I missed something in the Livni-Sarkozy coverage, Glick materially overstates the degree to which the Israeli government has agreed to any terms of a ceasefire or to any formal EU mediation.

I really hate to say this, but I'm wondering if Israel is EVER gonna go in on the ground - it's been what, four damn days now - maybe five? Israel HAS to go in with boots and track's on the ground if they are gonna end this situation properly.

1088 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:29:57am

re: #1079 Iron Fist

He'll vote "Present",

I think he'll arm-twist some sort of idiotic "peace" deal, with lots of photo ops, and of course the next day the rocket fire into Asheklon resumes.

1089 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:30:03am

re: #1060 rawmuse

Musicians also have a long standing tradition of dissing one another,

I'm no real "musician", but I play in a bar band around here and that dissing between band members and between bands is all part of the game.

Like when someone in the crowd yells "Play something you know!" You know its another musician yelling it. Ha. I use that one myself sometimes.

Or all the jokes drummers and guitar players throw back and forth.

What does it mean if there is an equal amount of drool coming out of both sides of the drummer's mouth? The stage is level.

What do you call a guitar player who just broke up with his girlfriend? Homeless.

1090 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:30:06am

re: #1070 kcladderman

So first chair second chair is kinda like east coast west coast?
///

It is the equivalent of rank in the orchestra. This would be like a corporal giving the Lt. a rash of grief.

1091 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:30:21am

re: #1083 Killgore Trout

RAW: Local Florida Man Videos Pro-Hamas Protests chanting "NUKE ISRAEL"

[Video]
Hijab Chick sez, "You're losers! Go fuck yourselves. Your mother is a whore"

Wow, what a fugly, self-fornicating daughter of a prostitute.

1092 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:30:27am

re: #1075 redstateredneck

That black widow dress was just butt ugly.

The colors--anarchist/black-power black and commie red--struck me.

1093 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:31:02am

re: #1082 MandyManners

One of the funniest skits in history.

"The Carol Burnett Show" Act 2

1094 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:31:09am

re: #1070 kcladderman

So first chair second chair is kinda like east coast west coast?
///

First chair are the musicians with genuine talent, second chair are the musicians who work their asses off but just aren't quite as good as the first chair guys. This is not to say that second chair musicians are not damned good musicians, it simply reflects the reality that in any group there are certain individuals who have a degree and level of talent that exceeds that of their peers.

1095 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:31:10am

re: #1083 Killgore Trout

RAW: Local Florida Man Videos Pro-Hamas Protests chanting "NUKE ISRAEL"

[Video]

Hijab Chick sez, "You're losers! Go fuck yourselves. Your mother is a whore"

And she adds, "go back to the ovens! You belong in ovens!". Charming, isn't she? I saw that video last night, and had to stop watching out of concern for my emotional stability.

1096 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:31:15am

Aaaarrrggghhh! I'm getting spam now for the Barack Obama Inaugural Dollar. It's bad enough to see the commercials on tv everytime I turn it on.

1097 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:31:20am

re: #1083 Killgore Trout

RAW: Local Florida Man Videos Pro-Hamas Protests chanting "NUKE ISRAEL"

Liveleak Video


Hijab Chick sez, "You're losers! Go fuck yourselves. Your mother is a whore"

Isn't she a spayshul snowfwake?

1098 kcladderman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:31:39am

re: #1082 MandyManners

One of the funniest skits in history.

That show was so funny. Always made you laugh. Havrey Korman and Tim Conway used to try and make each other crack up on camera. They often succeeded.

1099 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:31:47am

re: #1084 ThinkRight

And Algore pimping carbon credits

But that's not pimping, that lying and stealing.

1100 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:31:59am

re: #1086 MandyManners

I did mourn her death. The thought of those little boys being without her just broke my heart.

I was of course sorry to hear of her death, but I was quickly repulsed by all the ersatz media grief.

1101 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:32:56am

Pres-elect Coming to Casa Blanca for POTUS-Palooza

President-elect Barack Obama will be meeting with President George W. Bush and former Presidents Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, and Jimmy Carter at the White House on Wednesday


Your text to link...

1102 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:33:04am

Iran Is Scared Shitless
Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, one of Iran's most powerful politician-clerics, said in a sermon to several thousand worshipers that an Israeli military defeat in Gaza would be a "scandal" for its government and that, even if the Hamas government there collapses, Palestinian "resistance" will only expand.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki warned Israel that entering Gaza "by land will be the biggest mistake of the Zionist regime." He vowed Israel would be "defeated" in a ground attack.
Iran is a major backer of Hamas, giving it millions of dollars. Israel and the US accuse Iran of providing the Palestinian terrorist group with newer, more sophisticated rockets, but Teheran denies arming the group. In his prayer sermon, Rafsanjani said Hamas had a new anti-tank weapon that it had not used before but would unleash if Israel ground troops move in, but he did not elaborate.
1103 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:33:04am

re: #1096 redstateredneck

Aaaarrrggghhh! I'm getting spam now for the Barack Obama Inaugural Dollar. It's bad enough to see the commercials on tv everytime I turn it on.

Stay away from that p0rn.

1104 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:33:06am
1105 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:33:53am

re: #1089 mich-again

I'm no real "musician", but I play in a bar band around here and that dissing between band members and between bands is all part of the game.

Like when someone in the crowd yells "Play something you know!" You know its another musician yelling it. Ha. I use that one myself sometimes.

Or all the jokes drummers and guitar players throw back and forth.

What does it mean if there is an equal amount of drool coming out of both sides of the drummer's mouth? The stage is level.

What do you call a guitar player who just broke up with his girlfriend? Homeless.

What's the difference between a bass player and a large pizza?

A large pizza can feed a family of 4.

1106 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:34:42am

re: #1079 Iron Fist

I don't think that time does favor the IAF. Obama will be sworn in on 20 January. After that it is an open question on how loyal an ally we will be to Israel. I don't think Obama is going to come out of the Oval Office in a keffiyeh and scream "Allahu Ackbar!" while waving around a sword, but I don't expect that he'll be a stalwart ally, either. He'll vote "Present", and let the cards fall out as they may.

I was thinking in a shorter term...how long will the IDF just let those guys sit there on the border?...there certainly wont wait three weeks to do something...but of course you are right about Oboy...if he does not firmly support Israel to defend itself with violence I'd hope Olmert tells him to go fuck himself then liquidate Hamas at that point...it's sure hard to predict

1107 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:34:53am
1108 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:34:55am

re: #1089 mich-again

I'm no real "musician", but I play in a bar band around here and that dissing between band members and between bands is all part of the game.

Like when someone in the crowd yells "Play something you know!" You know its another musician yelling it. Ha. I use that one myself sometimes.

Or all the jokes drummers and guitar players throw back and forth.

What does it mean if there is an equal amount of drool coming out of both sides of the drummer's mouth? The stage is level.

What do you call a guitar player who just broke up with his girlfriend? Homeless.

Or my favorite... Why do drums resemble buckets? Cause it's the only way drummers can carry a tune...

1109 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #910 DistantThunder

It was a newsclip at fox showing her jogging up the stairs to board the plane in hawaii - with her huge trunk.


Hey now, I know she' not a petite sized woman, but let's not go into describing her various bodily parts!

1110 VioletTiger  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:35:38am

re: #1054 ThinkRight

AP: Paterson close to picking Caroline


Your text to link...


She's dumber than a box of hair! I think my head will expode...

1111 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:35:54am

re: #1105 father_of_10

What's the difference between a bass player and a large pizza?

A large pizza can feed a family of 4.

Another good one. I'm going to use that one tonite.

1112 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:35:55am

re: #1099 father_of_10

But that's not pimping, that lying and stealing.


Pimps illegally sell what is not theirs to sell
Only thing is he might be the whore
/

1113 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:35:59am

re: #1108 doriangrey

How can you make a guitar player turn down his amp?
Put a piece of sheet music on his stand for him to read.

1114 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:36:28am

re: #1102 Spare O'Lake

Rafsanjani said Hamas had a new anti-tank weapon that it had not used before

Probably referring to EFPs? Or maybe just bluster. Or... unfortunately, maybe not. There are a lot of effective man-portable antitank weapons floating around these days.

1115 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:36:42am
1116 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:36:42am

re: #1095 Occasional Reader

My blood pressure is spiking this morning too.

1117 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:36:53am

re: #1110 VioletTiger

She's dumber than a box of hair! I think my head will expode...

haha - I like this comment:

If he’s going to appoint a pricess I’d prefer that Edwards get the seat.

1118 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:37:02am

re: #1113 rawmuse

How can you make a guitar player turn down his amp?
Put a piece of sheet music on his stand for him to read.

Ouch... Now that just plain hurts... ;P

1119 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:37:04am

re: #1113 rawmuse

How can you make a guitar player turn down his amp?
Put a piece of sheet music on his stand for him to read.

Musicians read music. Guitar players read tablature.

1120 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:38:12am

re: #1107 Iron Fist

Yeah, he does seem much more impressed by appearences than he is by actual actions. I can see him doing some meaningless fluff and claiming that it is a groundbreaking first step to Hopey Hope Changey change. And then go back to ignoring the problem.

That does not bode well for Israel, or, for that matter, the United States.

he'll sound just like Bush!...haha!...the left will freak...he's over his head either way

1121 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:38:32am

re: #1119 Mich-again

Musicians read music. Guitar players read tablature.

My amp goes to 11.

1122 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:38:38am

re: #1119 Mich-again

Musicians read music. Guitar players read tablature.

Oh I see, it's pick on the guitar player chick magnet day eh?

1123 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:38:43am

re: #1110 VioletTiger

She's dumber than a box of hair! I think my head will expode...

But you know, she really, you know, has, you know, thought a lot, you know, about, like, political stuff...

1124 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:39:05am

G'morning.

Hey, give Michelle some cred for wearing sweatpants and not a snuggie.

1125 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:39:11am

re: #1119 Mich-again

I understand. I am teaching myself guitar even as we speak. Nylon string, classical type. I just want to be able to play bossa novas and sing in Portugese. Is that so much to ask?

1126 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:39:14am

re: #1094 doriangrey

First chair are the musicians with genuine talent, second chair are the musicians who work their asses off but just aren't quite as good as the first chair guys. This is not to say that second chair musicians are not damned good musicians, it simply reflects the reality that in any group there are certain individuals who have a degree and level of talent that exceeds that of their peers.

I was last chair cello in a Youth Symphony in Albuquerque. One year I worked my butt of and was next to last chair. And happy to be there. Honestly, if I hadn't hung around those kids, I would not be where I am today.

1127 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:39:41am

re: #1123 Occasional Reader

But you know, she really, you know, has, you know, thought a lot, you know, about, like, political stuff...

Have you met my sister? That's exactly the way she talks.

1128 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:40:51am

re: #1124 Silvergirl

G'morning.

Hey, give Michelle some cred for wearing sweatpants and not a snuggie.

*sigh* Another snuggie thread...

;)

1129 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:40:58am

re: #1127 Alouette

Have you met my sister? That's exactly the way she talks.

I guess it's slightly better than replacing all those "you know"'s with "like".

[drives me completely batty to hear the under-25 crowd]

1130 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:41:07am
So now, either we shall see a lull, or the IDF and State of Israel will embark on a long road, replete with victims, in order to hit Hamas time and again. Qassams and Grads may continue to land in our territory in the meanwhile, yet at the end of the bloody battle, whoever is left of Hamas’ commanders will stand up and declare, just like Nasrallah declared at the end of the Second Lebanon War: “If we knew Israel would respond that way, we wouldn’t have done it.”

Yediot Commentator Tal

This helps illustrate my point made this past week about the miscalculating nature of fascist organizations.

And when you get into an argument with a leftist supporter of Hamas remind them of the recently departed Sheikh had 4 wives, Big Love in Gaza!

1131 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:41:24am

re: #1129 Occasional Reader

I guess it's slightly better than replacing all those "you know"'s with "like".

[drives me completely batty to hear the under-25 crowd]

Like why?

1132 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:41:54am

re: #1125 rawmuse

I understand. I am teaching myself guitar even as we speak. Nylon string, classical type. I just want to be able to play bossa novas and sing in Portugese. Is that so much to ask?

Hey, dont quit your day job... j/k... That's actually a pretty tall task to take on. Not that I would know anything about it... ;)

1133 VioletTiger  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:42:07am

re: #1117 redstateredneck
Yes, well Edwards is the Pretty Pretty Princess, isn't he?

1134 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:42:23am

re: #1128 gclaghorn

*sigh* Another snuggie thread...

;)

Last night's thread was so much fun I just needed the thrill of typing out the word snuggie. There, did it again.

1135 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:42:25am

re: #1078 MandyManners

Can those passengers be grand-fathered in if and when a bill protecting them is passed?

Don't know. Here's the wiki link to the case, but it doesn't seem to have been updated in quite a while.

1136 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:42:58am

re: #1125 rawmuse

I understand. I am teaching myself guitar even as we speak. Nylon string, classical type. I just want to be able to play bossa novas and sing in Portugese. Is that so much to ask?

Boa sorte.

1137 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:43:06am

re: #1126 TaeJohnDo

I was last chair cello in a Youth Symphony in Albuquerque. One year I worked my butt of and was next to last chair. And happy to be there. Honestly, if I hadn't hung around those kids, I would not be where I am today.

Which is where? Last or second last.
/White smoke

1138 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:43:34am

re: #1124 Silvergirl

G'morning.

Hey, give Michelle some cred for wearing sweatpants and not a snuggie.

Does she wear a mumu and a headscarf around the house . . . with furry slippers?

1139 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:43:36am

re: #1132 doriangrey

Day job? What is that? Have not had one in, well, er, a long time.

1140 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:43:45am

re: #1132 doriangrey

Hey, dont quit your day job... j/k... That's actually a pretty tall task to take on. Not that I would know anything about it... ;)

Cough, oh and you can count to three right? cough cough... ;P

1141 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:44:03am

CRAP! Cops are now going door to door here looking for that gunman who robbed our bank!

1142 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:44:55am

re: #1134 Silvergirl

Last night's thread was so much fun I just needed the thrill of typing out the word snuggie. There, did it again.

I fell victim to the lure of the snuggi. Ended up ordering four (2 sets at $19.95 ea.) for a whopping total of $70.81. Haven't seen snuggi one since placing the order the first week in December. Guess I'll be giving them as Easter presents.

1143 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:44:58am

re: #1141 realwest

CRAP! Cops are now going door to door here looking for that gunman who robbed our bank!

You better hide your sh*t fast!

1144 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:45:12am

re: #1141 realwest

CRAP! Cops are now going door to door here looking for that gunman who robbed our bank!

Get the money, offer to represent him, then turn him over to the cops... ;P

1145 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:45:14am

re: #1141 realwest

CRAP! Cops are now going door to door here looking for that gunman who robbed our bank!

Run, real! Out the back door!

1146 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:46:12am

re: #1129 Occasional Reader

I guess it's slightly better than replacing all those "you know"'s with "like".

[drives me completely batty to hear the under-25 crowd]

My sister is over 50, but she tries to talk like a 20-something.

1147 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:46:42am

BTW, I wish people would lay off Caroline Kennedy, you don't have to like democrats but you should always cheer when the least evil of them rise in power. She has lived her whole life in the spotlight and done so with dignity and poise; she will be far easier to bear than Al Sharpton. She gave her dad to this nation, I intend to cut her some slack.

1148 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:47:13am

re: #1141 realwest

CRAP! Cops are now going door to door here looking for that gunman who robbed our bank!

Hide RW. Hide

1149 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:48:21am

re: #1143 father_of_10
Nothing to hide here!

1150 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:48:51am

re: #1144 doriangrey
That's only if they catch him!

1151 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:49:36am

re: #1145 gclaghorn
Sorry, I can't run, period.
Just gonna keep the ole fungo bat handy.

1152 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:50:53am

re: #1141 realwest

CRAP! Cops are now going door to door here looking for that gunman who robbed our bank!

Wow, stay safe. We once had cops running through our subdivision after some perp. Apparently the budding rocket scientist didn't realize there's no back entrance/exit, was forced to abandon his car, and took off on foot. They eventually arrested him in my backyard.

1153 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:52:03am

re: #1129 Occasional Reader

I guess it's slightly better than replacing all those "you know"'s with "like".

[drives me completely batty to hear the under-25 crowd]

"Kind of" is another one CK loves to use. Did you notice she has "kind of a lifetime of experience"? Also, "And I think I also bring kind of a lifetime commitment to public service . . . "

So stop saying she's dumber than a box of hair! Only kind of dumber.

1154 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:30am

re: #1147 Ayatollah Ghilmeini With all respect, I know Obama has lowered the bar A LOT, but she has never held any kind of political office, much less elected political office, she's not by nature a charitable person (with a net worth in excess of $100 million, she gave all of one thousand dollars to charity in 2006, according to Fox News) and she isn't from NY. There are plently of New York State Democratic Politicians out there that the Governor could and should name; picking her is merely gonna be because she's a Kennedy and I though we'd done away with royalty in this country back in, oh, 1776.

1155 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:54:11am

re: #1142 redstateredneck

I fell victim to the lure of the snuggi. Ended up ordering four (2 sets at $19.95 ea.) for a whopping total of $70.81. Haven't seen snuggi one since placing the order the first week in December. Guess I'll be giving them as Easter presents.

Don't forget to give them with a set of matching bunny ears. And maybe the fuzzy slippers father_of_10 mentioned.

1156 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:54:13am

re: #1148 Erik The Red
Fuck that. I'm too old to hide.

1157 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:55:27am

re: #1152 doppelganglanderWell I got the doors locked and my trusty fungo bat at the ready; that'll have to do.
Sure hope if someone knocks on my door it IS a cop!

1158 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:24am

re: #1141 realwest

CRAP! Cops are now going door to door here looking for that gunman who robbed our bank!

I hope he's not a bombing bank robber like the father and son duo that did in that Oregon bank. I read that's the motive that appears likely. We may never know--they're both pleading not guilty.

1159 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:57am

re: #1155 Silvergirl

Don't forget to give them with a set of matching bunny ears. And maybe the fuzzy slippers father_of_10 mentioned.


They do come with the folding reading light bonus gift!

1160 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:58:09am

Some rocks to throw at Gazans. Now thats what I'm talkin' about.

1161 buzzdroid  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:00:58am

top UK political blogger Guido Fawkes, has just given a plug for the PizzaIDF site

[Link: www.order-order.com...]

awesome!

1162 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:02:45am

re: #1083 Killgore Trout

RAW: Local Florida Man Videos Pro-Hamas Protests chanting "NUKE ISRAEL"




Hijab Chick sez, "You're losers! Go fuck yourselves. Your mother is a whore"


They never miss an opportunity to be disgusting.
Notice that the Imam leading prayers is an African America?
What wouold you bet that he is an ex-con who had a jail house conversion?

1163 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:05:18am
At war today in Gaza, one combatant is committed to causing the most civilian pain and suffering on both sides. The other combatant is committed to saving as many lives as possible -- also on both sides.

-Charles Krauthammer

You are what you shoot at. You are what you shoot. Israel does everything she can to avoids civilian deaths and Hamas bends over backwards to cause them.

-Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I consider it an honor to be on the same wavelength as the good doctor.

1164 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:06:43am
1165 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:07:57am

re: #1110 VioletTiger

She's dumber than a box of hair! I think my head will expode...

But you know, she like has more experience than you know, Palin.
She like saw Uncle Ted drunk a lot.

1166 frred  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:23am

re: #1124 Silvergirl

I would give Michelle credit if she wore a cape.

1167 frred  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:41:47am

re: #1109 realwest

Like that Class III malocclusion?


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