Another ‘Flying While Muslim’ Case

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A group of Muslim passengers was removed from an Airtran flight at Reagan International Airport yesterday, after passengers reported hearing them discussing airport security.

Members of the party, all but one of them U.S.-born citizens who were headed to a religious retreat in Florida, were subsequently cleared for travel by FBI agents who characterized the incident as a misunderstanding, an airport official said. But the passengers said AirTran refused to rebook them, and they had to pay for seats on another carrier secured with help from the FBI.

Kashif Irfan, one of the removed passengers, said the incident began about 1 p.m. after his brother, Atif, and his brother’s wife wondered aloud about the safest place to sit on an airplane.

“My brother and his wife were discussing some aspect of airport security,” Irfan said. “The only thing my brother said was, ‘Wow, the jets are right next to my window.’ I think they were remarking about safety.”

Irfan said he and the others think they were profiled because of their appearance. He said five of the six adults in the party are of South Asian descent, and all six are traditionally Muslim in appearance, with the men wearing beards and the women in headscarves. Irfan, 34, is an anesthesiologist. His brother, 29, is a lawyer. Both live in Alexandria with their families, and both were born in Detroit. They were traveling with their wives, Kashif Irfan’s sister-in-law, a friend and Kashif Irfan’s three sons, ages 7, 4 and 2.

Naturally, the Council on American Islamic Relations (unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding trial) took a break from their busy schedule of supporting Hamas to capitalize on this opportunity to scream “discrimination!” CAIR: Muslim Passengers Removed from DC Flight.

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823 comments
1 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:45:47am
2 Simple Voice  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:46:11am

Oh man, the hijab is going to hit the fan now!

I blame the juice.

3 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:46:27am

Great. Here we go again...

Does anyone have a link to any recent news of the Flying Imams case? The Google, it finds nothing...

4 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:46:59am

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

5 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:47:30am

When will people learn not to joke about air safety and security at airports or onboard planes.

Each will get you a one-way ticket to detention (jail or a thorough investigation or both).

BTW, here's the TSA statement on the AirTran Flight 175 incident:

Security is a shared responsibility and this incident highlights the multiple layers of security that are in place in today's aviation environment.

Alert passengers reported what they believed were inappropriate comments, flight attendants promptly notified the pilot in command. Federal air marshals onboard escorted the individuals in question off the plane at the pilot's request where they were met by local and federal officials to ensure they posed no threat to the flight. After interviewing the individuals, performing a sweep of the aircraft and rescreening all checked and carry-on baggage, the flight departed.

We support the pilot in command in making decisions he or she believes is in the best interest of those onboard the aircraft. TSA counts a vigilant traveling public as an important layer of security and continues to encourage passengers to be alert and report suspicious activity.

6 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:47:44am
7 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:47:58am

Disproportionate BS.

8 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:48:05am
9 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:48:09am

BBL

10 arcatan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:48:11am

So Don Imus is a bigot and loses his career for saying "nappy headed hoe" yet an airlines is a bigot for taking exception to possible talk of terrorism.

Why is the Left so obsessed with bigotry?
Methinks they dost protest too much.

11 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:48:30am

re: #4 Occasional Reader

with all the accordingattendant caveats

(sheesh)

12 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:49:06am

re: #5 lawhawk

When will people learn not to joke about air safety and security at airports or onboard planes.

Each will get you a one-way ticket to detention (jail or a thorough investigation or both).

BTW, here's the TSA statement on the AirTran Flight 175 incident:

That was my first reaction. You don't yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

13 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:49:10am

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

14 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:49:17am

re: #1 Erik The Red

Huh?

15 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:49:18am

re: #11 Occasional Reader

(sheesh)

/'cordeen music playing

16 Simple Voice  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:49:48am

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar. In America today, the main culprits of blowing things out of proportion are Muslims and the gay lobby.

17 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:50:44am

Somehow I don't think getting hamas shills to speak out for you is the best move in this instance.

18 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:51:22am

re: #16 Simple Voice

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar. In America today, the main culprits of blowing things out of proportion are Muslims and the gay lobby.

Exactly, as someone once said, it the war on terror we have to be right every time, they only have to be right once.

19 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:51:25am

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

A set up?

20 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:51:28am

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

I've had general conversations from time to time about the safest place to be on an airplane, but the conversations have taken place at, say, in a group at work, or at the gym - this is not a conversation one has after you are already seated on the airplane!

That, together with what you just said about how quickly CAIR issued their statement, makes me wonder if this might have been a "set-up", to see what would happen, so that a complaint could be made.

21 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:51:42am

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

I wonder if CAIR knew of the incident before it even happened...

22 Dave the.....  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:51:48am

OR, I have to agree. This sounds a bit like an over reaction. But, having said that, yes, the yelling 'Fire" analogy does apply.

23 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:51:51am

I'd like to see other reports on what was actually said. If it's true that the only relevant words uttered were "Wow, the jets are right next to my window", then this was indeed unjustified.

Of course, if added to that was something like "it'd be pretty easy to bomb them" or some such thing, that's a horse of a different color.

24 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:51:56am

re: #14 Occasional Reader

Huh?

Don't make, utter shit that makes people scared. Right or wrong there bis a stigma that goes with flying and the whole Muslim thing.

25 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:52:01am

Mark Steyn is doing the Rush broadcast this morning, at this very moment.

26 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:52:15am

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

27 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:52:56am

re: #20 reine.de.tout

I've had general conversations from time to time about the safest place to be on an airplane, but the conversations have taken place at, say, in a group at work, or at the gym - this is not a conversation one has after you are already seated on the airplane!

That, together with what you just said about how quickly CAIR issued their statement, makes me wonder if this might have been a "set-up", to see what would happen, so that a complaint could be made.

I'm pretty fatalistic about flyin...get on, fly, get off...there is no safest place...

28 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:00am

re: #4 Occasional Reader

It's a possibility. I suspect there's more to the story and as we say with the flying Imams case the Islamists like to be intentionally provocative in airports. We'll see what develops.

29 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:05am

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

The Media talking heads.

30 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:22am

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

Some god damned liberal/socialist activist fucking judge probably will.

31 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:23am

re: #19 MandyManners

A set up?

Give the lady a Kewpie doll! My thoughts exactly.

32 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:26am

re: #23 Occasional Reader

Was this the first time that those involved had been on a plane? Did they choose their seats prior to flight? What did they actually say, what was overheard, etc.?

All are important questions, but the flight crew has to be given leeway to ensure that the flight concludes safely.

33 Westward Ho  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:31am

I am with the overreaction camp on this.

34 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:35am

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

Everyone working in the CNN newsroom?

35 Tumulus11  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:38am
'Wow, the jets are right next to my window.'

. Irfan forgot to mention his brother's next comment:

'Piece of cake.'

36 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:50am

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

Can't be overreaction, no such thing.

Not when I'm taking my shoes off to get through security.

37 ceemack  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:55am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a few Muslims do something really bad on airline flights a few years ago?

It may have prompted airlines to be a little more cautious about carrying Muslims on their flights...

38 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:53:55am

re: #8 doriangrey

Your comment is ridiculous.

39 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:54:05am

January 21st when Sharia law replaces the constitution this will stop happening.

40 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:54:21am
41 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:54:29am

re: #27 albusteve

I'm pretty fatalistic about flyin...get on, fly, get off...there is no safest place...

Yup, that's why this should be taken so seriously, air planes cant just pull over to the side of the road if there is a problem.

42 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

43 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:54:56am

re: #34 gclaghorn

Everyone working in the CNN newsroom?

Sorry. Who (of sound mind) gives a flying frak what they think?

44 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:55:11am

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

What would get to the pilot was a report along the lines of "passengers heard other passengers make threats" or something like that. So OF COURSE the pilot has to take that seriously. The question is, what was actually said?

45 J.S.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:55:23am

re: #19 MandyManners

And, if I'm reading the article correctly, a lawyer was the one who was said to have made inappropriate remarks (which were overheard by other passengers)...don't tell me, someone was trolling for a lawsuit?

46 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:55:26am

VIVA Air Tran~!

Please fly with them.

Air Tran kindly offered free travel to families of Walter Reed wounded through a program called "Helping Our Heroes".

Air Tran are patriots deserving Lizard support.

Safety & country first.

47 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:55:33am

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

Raising hand.

48 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:55:36am

re: #39 ThinkRight

January 21st when Sharia law replaces the constitution this will stop happening.

I don't think airplanes can fly under sharia law, priniciple of aerodynamic lift does not appear in the Koran. Only flying horses.

49 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:55:47am

re: #30 doriangrey

Some god damned liberal/socialist activist fucking judge probably will.

9th Circuit Court, please pick up the white courtesy phone!

50 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:55:55am

re: #16 Simple Voice

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar. In America today, the main culprits of blowing things out of proportion are Muslims and the gay lobby.

Blowing things up and blowing things, depending on the class of people.

51 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:56:05am

Why are they flying?

/there's no mention of aircraft in the Koran

52 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:56:35am

re: #38 Occasional Reader

Your comment is ridiculous.

When the Amish start blowing up planes my comment will be ridiculous, when all of Islam stops being violent my comment will be ridiculous, until then it is not and you are.

53 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:56:49am

re: #23 Occasional Reader

I'd like to see other reports on what was actually said. If it's true that the only relevant words uttered were "Wow, the jets are right next to my window", then this was indeed unjustified.

Of course, if added to that was something like "it'd be pretty easy to bomb them" or some such thing, that's a horse of a different color.

I'm suspicious because those words about the jets don't set off red flags for any normal person. I'm betting there is much more to the story.

Because the pilot would have asked what was overheard, and for the reporting passenger to say: "They said: Wow, those jets are close to my window." and then for the pilot to say: "That sound serious," doesn't make sense at all.

54 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:56:59am

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

9th Circuit Court, please pick up the white courtesy phone!

Racist!

/

55 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:03am

re: #44 Occasional Reader

What would get to the pilot was a report along the lines of "passengers heard other passengers make threats" or something like that. So OF COURSE the pilot has to take that seriously. The question is, what was actually said?

I like how the Mr. Irfan only gives one quote - an innocuous one - and the explanation that they were "discussing airport security." Dollars to donuts the brother and his wife said more than that.

56 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:04am

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

* * *
Occasional--Hey Guapo, cancel your WaPo!

57 Blackacre  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:06am

Something does not add up.

"My brother and his wife were discussing some aspect of airport security," Irfan said. "The only thing my brother said was, 'Wow, the jets are right next to my window.' I think they were remarking about safety."

Airport and airplane security are not the same thing.

58 Mad Mullah  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:12am

Being a dirty infidel, I would easily pay a few bucks more for a seat on an airline that was only for infidels (no exceptions).

59 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:19am

re: #43 Wyatt Earp

Sorry. Who (of sound mind) gives a flying frak what they think?

445,000 American viewers.

60 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:41am

re: #36 itellu3times

Can't be overreaction, no such thing.

Of course there is. I personally know a guy who was taken off a flight and questioned because a hysterical passenger thought he looked... funny. His family is originally from India, and he's Hindu. But he, you know.... looked funny. Yes, that's an overreaction, and yes, it does happen

61 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:56am

Well, this explains why they weren't allowed to rebook their flight....
Muslim family booted off U.S. airline after comments

Of the nine passengers in the group, six asked to be rebooked to Florida, AirTran said.

"One passenger in the party became irate and made inappropriate comments," the statement said. "The local law enforcement officials came over and escorted the passengers away from the gate podium."

62 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:58:10am

re: #45 J.S.

And, if I'm reading the article correctly, a lawyer was the one who was said to have made inappropriate remarks (which were overheard by other passengers)...don't tell me, someone was trolling for a lawsuit?

Oh, come on now. Lawyers have to take ethics courses in law school, so they know better than to do such a thing.

/

63 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:58:15am

re: #48 itellu3times

I don't think airplanes can fly under sharia law, priniciple of aerodynamic lift does not appear in the Koran. Only flying horses.

What about flying carpets?

64 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:58:26am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Well, this explains why they weren't allowed to rebook their flight....
Muslim family booted off U.S. airline after comments

It's bigotry, I tell you! BIGOTRY!

/

65 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:59:04am

re: #64 gclaghorn

It's bigotry, I tell you! BIGOTRY!

/

BIG ISLAM IS RIPPING US OFF!

66 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:59:33am

re: #52 doriangrey

So you think all Muslims should be banned from flying on airplanes in the United States? Including Muslims who are natural-born American citizens? That's your position?

67 freedombilly  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:59:59am

re: #17 Sharmuta

Somehow I don't think getting hamas shills to speak out for you is the best move in this instance.

Kind of like calling OJ Simpson as a character witness in your own murder trial.

68 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:00:00am

re: #45 J.S.

And, if I'm reading the article correctly, a lawyer was the one who was said to have made inappropriate remarks (which were overheard by other passengers)...don't tell me, someone was trolling for a lawsuit?

I don't know exactly what he said so I don't know if it was inappropriate but, the FA's and pilot deemed it worthy to stop the flight and get them off. But, I'm still wondering if this was not a set up from the beginning.

69 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:00:04am

re: #53 DistantThunder

of course there is more to the story...so much in fact by the time 41 people are giving 56 stories and nobody knows everything the truth will be lost in a contrived fog of intimidation and legalese crapolla...I hate this shit

70 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:00:09am

Dear Air Tran.

I like your airline. The aircraft are new and clean. Your fares are low, and I like the in-seat Satellite radio.
But if you cave in to CAIR, I will fly somebody else.

If you stand up to the sheikh-down artists, I will fly you even more

Shug

71 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:00:12am

re: #53 DistantThunder

Actually, I've uttered those words, or at least thought them, a few years back a couple of jet engines threw off turbine blades, anyway it's generally a bit quieter forward of the wings.

72 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:00:22am

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

I wouldn't be shocked.

73 J.S.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:00:46am

re: #44 Occasional Reader

yes -- What was said? Nothing on the Internet reports what was said by the Muslim (lawyer?)...(there are also conflicting accounts of when X was said -- how many others heard it -- how many others were concerned, etc.) Only one side of this story is being repeated and told -- typical for the MSM.

74 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:00:56am

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

9th Circuit Court, please pick up the white courtesy phone!

No jurisdiction.

75 Westward Ho  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:01:14am

It's a very fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

76 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:01:52am

re: #27 albusteve

I'm pretty fatalistic about flyin...get on, fly, get off...there is no safest place...

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

77 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:01:53am

re: #75 Westward Ho

It's a very fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

almost as fine a line as the one between survivor and victim

78 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:01:58am
79 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:02:12am

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

I agree.

Terrorists aren't going to look overtly conspicuous.

Atta was clean shaven (a requirement before "martyrdom" operations) and wasn't wearing a kafiya.

Terrorists will try to look like you and me.

80 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:02:28am

Just a note: the second-to-most-recommended diary at DKos right now is fronting for the Muslims who were kicked off.

81 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:02:39am
82 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:02:43am

re: #71 itellu3times

Actually, I've uttered those words, or at least thought them, a few years back a couple of jet engines threw off turbine blades, anyway it's generally a bit quieter forward of the wings.

I frickkin' hate sitting next to the engines. Too loud, and blocks your view.

83 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:02:45am

re: #60 Occasional Reader

Of course there is. I personally know a guy who was taken off a flight and questioned because a hysterical passenger thought he looked... funny. His family is originally from India, and he's Hindu. But he, you know.... looked funny. Yes, that's an overreaction, and yes, it does happen

Yes, it does happen a lot, that was sort of my point. We're going with false positives. If granny says something about if man was meant to fly, and they pull her off and grill her for six hours, then I'm not upset of some bearded and hijabed types are pulled off for similar comments.

84 viciouscircledammit  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:02:50am

re: #75 Westward Ho

It's a very fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

And it's their fault the line is so fine. So they don't get the benefit of the doubt just yet.

85 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:03:13am

re: #19 MandyManners
My thoughts exactly.
Fuck CAIR.

86 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:03:39am

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

CAIR:"Okay, instead of using a group of imams this time, lets go with a 'nice family', and have them act in such a way as to get investigated...the imams was just too blatent. Remember to have them call us as soon as it goes down."

I could actually see that happening. Call me cynical.

87 gruvin  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:03:41am

From what I've read, the airline wasn't the least bit apologetic. Great! What's not great is the FAA paying for their tickets on an alternate airline

88 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:03:45am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Given suicide belts, on the one hand, and certain sex acts, on the other, your choice of phrase above is interesting.

Good catch.

89 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

airports suck...good for you...I love to drive and wish I could no matter where I go...

90 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:04:00am

Coincidence, this is on streaming radio right now. Well, very brief story.

91 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:04:17am

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

That's where the blue ice falls ...

92 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:04:18am

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

Well, a plane could crash into the building you're in.

93 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:04:22am

re: #87 gruvin

From what I've read, the airline wasn't the least bit apologetic. Great! What's not great is the FAA paying for their tickets on an alternate airline

...with your tax dollars. Another bailout.

94 Sizzlack  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:04:38am

The news reported earlier they were asking each other the safest place to sit in case of a bomb...not "some aspect of airport security".

Thats a stupid thing to say on a plane no matter what ethnicity you are. And they should know that.

95 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:04:45am

I, for one, would just once like to see these wronged muslims speak out on the root cause of these incidents. It's not the airline's fault they take these matters as seriously as they do- after 9/11 the airlines put themselves at great risk not taking things very seriously, and it's less likely to cause harm to over-react than to under react with the possibility of the loss of life and property. This lawsuit will cost them less than a 9/11 styled lawsuit.

But the muslims involved should speak out against bin ladin and al queda, if they feel so wronged. After all- it's bin ladin who's hijacked their religion, right? Instead- they have hamas shills in their corner. Not helpful.

96 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:04:46am

next time they should fly valujet

/

97 Peter Verkooijen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:04:52am

This case really does sound like an overreaction though, unlike the flying imams. Lets not muddle the issue.

98 rexatosis  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:05:02am

Fox News covered this story this morning. Just a couple of Muslims (a man and his wife I think) having a conversation on where the safest parts of the plane are, something everyone who has flown post-9/11 has thought about when boarding a plane. They just were dumb enough to actually verbalize it. It's equivalent would be a couple of teenagers talking on campus about where the safest parts of their school would be if a "Colombine" attack occurred. If they were overheard you know they would be in the school office ASAP. No racism, just a common thought verbalized at the wrong time and in the wrong place if you want to make your destination on time.

99 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:05:12am

re: #83 itellu3times

Yes, it does happen a lot, that was sort of my point. We're going with false positives. If granny says something about if man was meant to fly, and they pull her off and grill her for six hours, then I'm not upset of some bearded and hijabed types are pulled off for similar comments.

I have never heard of that happening. And if they're pulling grannies off for such remarks, that's hysterical and stupid. And it wouldn't justify OTHER hysterical stupidity.

100 freedombilly  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:05:33am

re: #87 gruvin

From what I've read, the airline wasn't the least bit apologetic. Great! What's not great is the FAA us paying for their tickets on an alternate airline

Fixed it for you!

101 Sprite  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:05:43am

Here's what Fox reports:

An unnamed source told MyFOXDC.com that they overheard one member of the family talking about the safest place to sit on a plane if a bomb was on board, though the family denied the word "bomb" was ever used.

102 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:06:03am

re: #64 gclaghorn
Yep, either a set up by CAIR to divert attention from something - maybe Gaza or maybe they were trolling for a lawsuit.
Screw them (h/t Kos).

103 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:06:36am

re: #94 Sizzlack

The news reported earlier they were asking each other the safest place to sit in case of a bomb...not "some aspect of airport security".

Thats a stupid thing to say on a plane no matter what ethnicity you are. And they should know that.

If that's the case then anyone would've been removed.

I've been on a flight when an idiot made a bomb joke, was held in to bathroom by the crew until NYPD detectives showed up and took him off.

This was on a flight to Vegas, and it was a young white dude trying to be funny and who obviously was an idiot.

104 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:06:46am

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

* * *
I do.

I also think the Iraqi Shoe thrower planned his shoe throwing to be photographed in advance, with complicit willing photographers pre-set to document their girly "rage" assault on Pres. Bush.

105 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:06:52am

re: #66 Occasional Reader

So you think all Muslims should be banned from flying on airplanes in the United States? Including Muslims who are natural-born American citizens? That's your position?

Would you like to fly with Adam Gadan or John Lind Walker... AMERICAN born Muslims are still Muslims. They practice a murderous violent hateful religion that glorifies death and especially martyrdom that involves killing those guilty of not being Muslims. So my answer is an unreserved yes.

You want to show what a wonderfully enlightened and sensitive non bigoted caring and fair minded individual you are, fine more power to you, But you try to do that where my safety is involved and you can go to hell.

106 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:06:54am

re: #92 Kosh's Shadow

Well, a plane could crash into the building you're in.

Aw, hell! You had to bring that up, didn't you?

107 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:07:04am

I'm for doing whatever keeps us safe...

If it means profiling, I don't care...

I'd rather be labeled a bigot than be dead...

108 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:07:05am

re: #95 Sharmuta

But the muslims involved should speak out against bin ladin and al queda, if they feel so wronged.

Look, if British Airways throws me off a flight simply for having an Irish surname, I'm under no obligation to issue a press release denouncing the IRA.

109 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:07:14am

re: #66 Occasional Reader

So you think all Muslims should be banned from flying on airplanes in the United States? Including Muslims who are natural-born American citizens? That's your position?

OR not to be disrespectful but if it looks like a rotten apple, smells like a rotten apple and taste like one.......... The Muslim faith, as a whole, has done NOTHING to make the west/Christians trust them. When the moderate Muslims in the Middle East and the West denounce the violence then maybe I will change my stance.

110 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:07:34am

re: #70 Shug Well I don't fly very much, but know you do, and I agree with you 100%. Doesn't look to me like the airline did anything wrong here.

111 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:07:43am

re: #48 itellu3times

I don't think airplanes can fly under sharia law, priniciple of aerodynamic lift does not appear in the Koran. Only flying horses.

Flying dream horses.

112 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:07:43am

re: #101 Sprite

Here's what Fox reports:

some crackerjack reporting there!....barf me

113 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:07:48am

The "engines next to my window" comment wasn't the only thing said by the passengers. One of them brought up "bombs."

114 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:08:00am

re: #105 doriangrey

Would you like to fly with Adam Gadan or John Lind Walker... AMERICAN born Muslims are still Muslims. They practice a murderous violent hateful religion that glorifies death and especially martyrdom that involves killing those guilty of not being Muslims. So my answer is an unreserved yes.

You want to show what a wonderfully enlightened and sensitive non bigoted caring and fair minded individual you are, fine more power to you, But you try to do that where my safety is involved and you can go to hell.

I repeat my question from #66. Say what you mean, mean what you say, save the insults.

115 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:08:13am

re: #108 Occasional Reader

Look, if British Airways throws me off a flight simply for having an Irish surname, I'm under no obligation to issue a press release denouncing the IRA.

Would you want the press arm of the IRA issuing press releases on your behalf, or might that be a bad move?

116 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:08:23am

re: #99 Occasional Reader

I have never heard of that happening. And if they're pulling grannies off for such remarks, that's hysterical and stupid. And it wouldn't justify OTHER hysterical stupidity.

OK I don't know of an actual case where that happened (even granny has been flying these days since her honeymoon), but certainly the lack of profiling which PC imposes on us, and the fact that shlubbs like me and all are forced to take off our shoes, and submit to the same universal and more or less pointless protocols as everyone else, makes the entire process absurd. In such a case, "overreaction" better involve deadly force.

117 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:08:26am

re: #73 J.S.
Hey J.S. - you don't REALLY expect the MSM to tell both sides, do ya?!

118 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:08:33am

re: #109 Erik The Red

OR not to be disrespectful but if it looks like a rotten apple, smells like a rotten apple and taste like one.......... The Muslim faith, as a whole, has done NOTHING to make the west/Christians trust them. When the moderate Muslims in the Middle East and the West denounce the violence then maybe I will change my stance.

Then I ask you the same question as I did dorian. Step up to the plate.

119 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:08:39am

OT: news is reporting that Obama flew back to Chicago from Hawaii. I am surprised he didn't just walk back.

120 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:08:56am

re: #119 karmic_inquisitor

OT: news is reporting that Obama flew back to Chicago from Hawaii. I am surprised he didn't just walk back.

Can't he walk on water?

/

121 WitchDoctor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:09:03am

re: #25 itellu3times

Mega-updings :) Listening now.

122 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:09:10am

re: #101 Sprite

Here's what Fox reports:

did they say bomb or didnt they?

123 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:09:11am

re: #75 Westward Ho
Yes it is, but after 9/11 I'd err on the side of vigilence.

124 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:09:14am

Congratulations to the TSA (which generally gets nothing but guff at this time of year) and the passengers who did the reporting. Thinking that others are out to get you doesn't mean you're paranoid. It means you're observant. And smart. CAIR is invited to kneel and await satisfaction until their lickspittle, the Ö, takes the chair.

125 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:09:26am

re: #109 Erik The Red

. . . When the moderate Muslims in the Middle East and the West denounce the violence then maybe I will change my stance.

Yes, that's the key, it seems. We've had precious little "outcry" from any "moderate" Muslim about the terrorism and murder inflicted by their brethren. If there were some sort of outcry, then perhaps we could feel a little more comfortable trusting those "moderate" Muslims.

126 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:09:52am

re: #122 albusteve

did they say bomb or didnt they?

That's all that matters.

127 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:09:59am
"If I could sum it up in one word, I felt extremely disrespected," said Ijaz.

More than one word.

Obviously a terrorist.

/kiddng.

128 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:03am

re: #122 albusteve

did they say bomb or didnt they?

According to other passengers, yes. According to them, no.

129 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:12am

re: #120 gclaghorn

Can't he walk on water?

Yes he can!

And think of all the CO2 he could have saved.

130 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:14am

re: #115 Sharmuta

Would you want the press arm of the IRA issuing press releases on your behalf, or might that be a bad move?

If I call up Sinn Fein and ask them to speak for me, that's my bad. If they take it on themselves to do so, I'm not responsible. So far, we don't know which was the case here. If this was all a CAIR setup job, well then, shame on them and on these passengers. But we don't know that yet. And we've already got posters calling for blanket bans on Muslims traveling on planes. Wonderful.

131 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:26am

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

That belongs in the "No Shit, Sherlock!" department.

132 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:29am

re: #16 Simple Voice

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar. In America today, the main culprits of blowing things out of proportion are Muslims and the gay lobby.

I would agree. The fact is that this very thing happens every day to people on the no fly list, which, unfortunately is rife with error. But, since they do not belong to a protected class, no one cares.

133 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:29am

re: #79 Ben Hur
Hey Ben, with respect, terrorist are, by nature, unstable beings, so who the hell knows what happened here?

134 SummerSong  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:34am

Seems like FOX news has had a stream of Hamas apologists on this morning. It's almost comical to watch them lie through their teeth. Absurd people.

135 AuntAcid  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:48am

re: #66 Occasional Reader

So you think all Muslims should be banned from flying on airplanes in the United States? Including Muslims who are natural-born American citizens? That's your position?

They would prefer to have nothing to do with infidels. I'm sure they would be much more comfortable flying on an "observant" airline.

136 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:49am

re: #128 gclaghorn

According to other passengers, yes. According to them, no.

But they were singing an Beach Boys song so maybe the other passengers mistook it for something else.
/

137 ceemack  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:10:53am

re: #8 doriangrey

Sorry folks, Flying while Muslim should be illegal.


We can't do that. This is still a free country, after all.

But 9/11 means that both airlines and airline passengers are bound to be suspicious of passengers who appear to be Muslims of Middle Eastern descent. To expect otherwise is to display a complete lack of common sense.

Right or wrong, Muslims will have to be somewhat cautious when flying--kind of like most of us are when dealing with police officers. Smile, say "yes sir," and do exactly what the cabin crew tells you, without complaint.

And try to avoid talking out loud about what would happen if the plane crashed or an engine blew up.

138 Miss Molly  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:07am

Oh no -- not again! This act is becoming somewhat tiresome. Muslims make remarks at the airport and CAIR just happens to be there to grab a mic and get in front of a camera. If the pilot thought they had to be removed from the plane I will go along with the pilot. And, I am sure we will hear a lot more on this incident.

139 Sprite  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:13am

re: #122 albusteve

Beats me. Just reporting on the reporting.

140 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:21am

re: #130 Occasional Reader

If I call up Sinn Fein and ask them to speak for me, that's my bad. If they take it on themselves to do so, I'm not responsible. So far, we don't know which was the case here. If this was all a CAIR setup job, well then, shame on them and on these passengers. But we don't know that yet. And we've already got posters calling for blanket bans on Muslims traveling on planes. Wonderful.

How did CAIR get contacted?

141 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:21am

re: #119 karmic_inquisitor

OT: news is reporting that Obama flew back to Chicago from Hawaii. I am surprised he didn't just walk back.

Did he sit near the engines?

142 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:21am

re: #84 viciouscircledammit
AMEN!

143 J.S.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:23am

re: #94 Sizzlack

And, especially since one of the accused is a lawyer, Atif Irfan...(also, "According to the airline, two federal air marshals on-board flight 175 contacted D.C. law enforcement officials after comments made by the Irfans' discussing flight safety...")

144 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:25am

re: #114 Occasional Reader

I repeat my question from #66. Say what you mean, mean what you say, save the insults.

What? You cant read?

145 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:36am

re: #113 gclaghorn

The "engines next to my window" comment wasn't the only thing said by the passengers. One of them brought up "bombs."

Oh, come on. We know obvious Muslims don't bother blowing up planes any more, they take them over and crash them.
Or get other people like Richard Reid to use the bombs.
/do I have to?

(BTW, Reid looked more likely to have a bong than a bomb)

146 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:11:55am

re: #86 Taqiyyotomist
OK, your cynical!
But a realist, too.

147 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:12:20am

re: #120 gclaghorn

Can't he walk on water?

/

no no no
The messiah parts the sea and walks
/

148 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:12:36am

Mr DT's 9/11 Adventure 2002

First he gets a great deal on a fare because it is 9.11.02. He arrives in the departure areas and is waiting next to the porter station when he notices a commotion next to an unattended backpack left in the middle of the road. Police arrive, and cordon off the area. Mr DT happens to be standing next to an obese woman in a burqa in line - and he makes sure he puts her between himself and the backpack.

When he boards the plane he sits in the front row to maximize access to cockpit and aisle - and takes out his sock of 100 quarters. He's making himself comfortable when on walks Ms. burqa, her son with the previously cordoned off backpack, and scrawny Mr Burqa who is half her size. The family seats themselves near the back of the nearly empty plane.

There are no incidents for 99.99% of the flight from LAX to Philly. While on approach to the flightdeck at Philly, wheels down, moments from touchdown, Mr DT looks up to see a look of shock and dismay cross the face of the flight attendant sitting kiddie-corner facing him. She put her hands up toward the aisle, and says no. Mr DT slightly rotates in time to see Mr Burqa running up the aisle, and Mr DT, all 6'2", 275lbs. prepares to take this guy out.

Suddenly Mr DT notices that the man has his hand to his mouth, and pauses his assault. Mr Burqa speeds past the attendant and Mr DT, throws open the bathroom door, and begins to hurl violently all over the bathroom. The quick-thinking stewardess unfastens her seatbelt and puts her foot right on MR Burqa rear end and shoves him into the bathroom - and slams and locks the door behind him. She and Mr. DT look at each other in total shock.

Mr DT is grateful that his instincts served him well. And you never saw him on the news.

149 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:12:56am

re: #122 albusteve

did they say bomb or didnt they?

Bomb and the Oklahoma bomber.

150 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:13:04am

re: #95 Sharmuta
Would ding that up a hundred times if I could!

151 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:13:12am

re: #147 ThinkRight

no no no
The messiah parts the sea and walks
/

I guess he hasn't developed teleportation yet. Maybe he is more of a sub-messiah.

152 all else failed  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:13:12am

re: #66 Occasional Reader

don't put wprds in his mouth please.

153 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:13:17am

re: #136 Jetpilot1101

But they were singing an Beach Boys song so maybe the other passengers mistook it for something else.
/


bomb bomb bomb bomb bombairtran
bomb bomb bomb bomb bombairtran

154 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:13:26am

re: #144 doriangrey

What? You cant read?

Okay, terrific, you're on the record. What else do you think Muslims should be banned from in this country? Please elaborate.

155 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:14:11am

re: #140 MandyManners

How did CAIR get contacted?

seems like the timeline here is very important...people blabbing stupid stuff in airports is a hell of alot different than some nefarious setup game

156 Westward Ho  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #84 viciouscircledammit


Agreed but the results are more often than not so childishly stupid. Can't some marshal make the call without having to offload them?

157 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #99 Occasional Reader
Do you think the airline's reaction was hysterical stupidity?

158 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:14:21am

re: #153 Shug

bomb bomb bomb bomb bombairtran
bomb bomb bomb bomb bombairtran

LOL! Very witty.

159 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:14:37am

re: #105 doriangrey

Oh, and by the way:

You want to show what a wonderfully enlightened and sensitive non bigoted caring and fair minded individual you are, fine more power to you

Yeah, right, and you're just trying to show what a tough, mean, macho hombre you are. Whatever.

160 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:14:45am

re: #130 Occasional Reader

And I dinged that down, btw.

Sorry- but my sympathy meter stops at getting terrorist sympathizers taking up one's cause. And that's been my point this entire thread. These travelers now have hamas shills defending them- that's not good.

161 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:15:21am

re: #157 realwest

Do you think the airline's reaction was hysterical stupidity?

I think I've been pretty clear; we don't know all the facts yet. If the only remark was about the closeness of the engines, yes, that's overreaction.

162 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:15:21am

re: #154 Occasional Reader

Okay, terrific, you're on the record. What else do you think Muslims should be banned from in this country? Please elaborate.

This country. Is that elaborate enough for you?

163 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:15:33am

re: #107 tfc3rid
Especially because I think profiling helps us more than it hurts us.

164 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:15:39am

We talked about this on an earlier thread, you do not pulicly discuss security in the airport or on the aircraft. Everyone knows that including these Muslims.
I expect the outrage to be so coordinated that you might even think that this whole thing was planned.

165 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:16:09am
who were headed to a religious retreat in Florida

Anyone want to bet they were going to a radical Islamist retreat?

I dare you!

I double dog dare you!

Bottle of Glenfiddich to the first to take me up on the bet and it turns out they were going to moderate muslim conference, a Sufi relgious retreat or a Muslims converting to Christianity meeting.........

166 Noah's Arrrgh  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:16:13am

Even before 9/11 just about every airline passenger knew that greeting his friend Jack in a colloquial way would land him in jail. Now, after 9/11, can anyone imagine mentioning a bomb would fare any better?

167 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:16:19am

re: #161 Occasional Reader

I think I've been pretty clear; we don't know all the facts yet. If the only remark was about the closeness of the engines, yes, that's overreaction.

According to all other witnesses, the Muslims also mentioned bombs. Is it still overreaction?

168 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:16:23am

re: #162 doriangrey

This country. Is that elaborate enough for you?

So, you think all Muslims should be deported from the United States?

169 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:16:31am
170 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:16:35am

re: #140 MandyManners

How did CAIR get contacted?

Good question. Does someone at TSA call CAIR when this stuff happens? Does CAIR have a TSA "ticker"? Does TSA have some sort of information clearinghouse, ala liveblogging?

171 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:17:01am

re: #159 Occasional Reader

Oh, and by the way:

Yeah, right, and you're just trying to show what a tough, mean, macho hombre you are. Whatever.

Buzzzzzz.... Wrong answer.

172 all else failed  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:17:09am

re: #154 Occasional Reader

Okay, terrific, you're on the record. What else do you think Muslims should be banned from in this country? Please elaborate.

your are not "occasional" enough...
P.S. stop putting words in our mouths, log off, and return your computer back to Sears

173 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:17:25am

A lawyer from Alexandria Virginia? Who is he and who are his clients? This could have been a set up. They are constantly testing the system and attempting to train security not to respond.

174 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:17:45am

re: #167 gclaghorn

According to all other witnesses, the Muslims also mentioned bombs. Is it still overreaction?

"All"? We have one unnamed source, from what I can see.

IF they talked about bombs, then of course the flight crew's actions were justified.

We seem to have a lot of posters having trouble with the concept of "if".

175 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:18:00am
176 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:18:00am

9/11 was just a battle in the war. Its' just a matter of time till it happens again. The left wing wants to cut defense spending and are totally against Iraq, Israel, and Afghanistan. What do we do as a country? Elect leaders who matter? Or elect goof-balls that don't stand for anything that matters. What is next? The Army does not send 3 Ranger battalions to The Stan to hunt for Bin 'sLaden and keep the troops in Iraq, with the SF to train Iraq's and teach them to respect what they are doing for their country? No, Obama is going to get out of Iraq, close down Gitmo, and send Big Wheels to the troops for them to use instead of tanks. And we also want Al Franken in the Senate.

177 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:18:29am
178 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:18:31am

re: #172 all else failed

your are not "occasional" enough...
P.S. stop putting words in our mouths, log off, and return your computer back to Sears

Why, I'll take that under consideration, Mr. Number Of Comments 31.

In the meantime, go fuck yourself.

179 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:18:34am

re: #140 MandyManners

How did CAIR get contacted?

I think Commissioner Gordon goes to the roof and turns on a searchlight.

/just watched The Dark Knight again

180 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:18:37am

re: #149 debutaunt

Bomb and the Oklahoma bomber.

if passengers are overheard using the words bomb, bomber etc hey should be instantly removed from the flight period...you must start somewhere

181 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:18:38am

re: #173 lifeofthemind

A lawyer from Alexandria Virginia? Who is he and who are his clients? This could have been a set up. They are constantly testing the system and attempting to train security not to respond.


I will take bets the lawyer is on retainer with CAIR

182 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:18:54am

Bunch of crap. This is business and business for the airlines could get really bad if they have a bunch of people yapping about plane wrecks . . . and they look like the kind of people that are known for blowing up airplanes.

OT, has anyone seen any of the Leverage episodes?

183 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:19:18am

re: #174 Occasional Reader

"All"? We have one unnamed source, from what I can see.

IF they talked about bombs, then of course the flight crew's actions were justified.

We seem to have a lot of posters having trouble with the concept of "if".

CAIR is also speaking up for the alleged bomb-whisperers. Doesn't that sound a little bit suspicious to you?

184 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:19:20am

I'm a white dude.
I don't say bomb.

If I was wearing a headscarf or an islamic beard in this country after 9/11 I would be double damned sure not to say bomb.

Life isn't fair. Some people have to be on their best behavior. That's how it is
So you put on your best behavior!

Simple

185 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:19:48am

I don't support banning muslims from flying. That is a pretty stupid solution.

But one has to wonder what these assholes were thinking - they admit that their appearance attracts attention (headscarves / beards) and then they start talking about where they should sit in terms of safety? Loudly for everyone on board to hear?

These people are idiots, and more so if they thought they should test the cultural sensitivities of those around them by "pushing the envelop" of taste.

As for Airtran, I think they have every right to ban these people from flying, or anyone else who boards one of their planes and starts speculating out loud about the safety of the airline ad nauseum. Why should Airtran or their passengers be subjected to that from anyone?

186 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:19:51am

re: #162 doriangrey

This country. Is that elaborate enough for you?

If they are citizens, they have the same civil rights as everyone else.

187 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:20:00am

re: #130 Occasional Reader
But we also have posters wondering how it was that CAIR had that press release ready to go so quickly.
And me, especially, thinking that profiling isn't a bad thing in and of itself.
So yeah, if British Airways wanted to examine your carryon bag and shoes because your surname is Irish, it wouldn't bother me - and I don't know why it would bother you so much either.
Now if they denied you a seat JUST BECAUSE of your Irish surname that's a different story.

188 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:20:13am

re: #130 Occasional Reader

If I call up Sinn Fein and ask them to speak for me, that's my bad. If they take it on themselves to do so, I'm not responsible. So far, we don't know which was the case here. If this was all a CAIR setup job, well then, shame on them and on these passengers. But we don't know that yet. And we've already got posters calling for blanket bans on Muslims traveling on planes. Wonderful.

You know this incident, the flying Imams out of Minneapolis etc. could all be coordinated to make TSA loosen up on them even more.

I do believe that there should be scutiny as opposed to harassment, but lots of scrutiny

189 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:20:25am

re: #186 MandyManners

If they are citizens, they have the same civil rights as everyone else.

What are you, some sort of terrorist-hugger?

/

190 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:20:29am

re: #118 Occasional Reader

Then I ask you the same question as I did dorian. Step up to the plate.

Re # 66
Not banned solely because they are Muslim, but because they make asshat comment that may make other passengers uncomfortable, given the international climate.
When I am in a country that does not share my values,or opinions, I will not make myself a target. In the USA you can say almost anything and not be persecuted. Try that in Africa or the Middle East.

191 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:20:35am

re: #165 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Anyone want to bet they were going to a radical Islamist retreat?

I dare you!

I double dog dare you!

Bottle of Glenfiddich to the first to take me up on the bet and it turns out they were going to moderate muslim conference, a Sufi relgious retreat or a Muslims converting to Christianity meeting.........

Have you Googled to see what kind of religious retreat it was?

192 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:20:36am

re: #177 Iron Fist

Imagine what would have happened if the FBI had stopped Muhammad Atta and his crew on 9-11. These same people would be screaming about "profiling" and "flying while Muslim" and such for freakin' ever. The agent in charge of their arrest would have probably been fired, and the FBI would have settled out of court for a huge sum of money for inconveniencing the poor, poor Mohammedans.

9-11 should have put an end to this bullshit. That it didn't is quite troubling. You have to wonder when the next terrorist cell will be, and what they'll be allowed to do before anyone can touch their precious ass with so much as harsh language.

Bingo.....

193 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:21:05am
194 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:21:06am

re: #187 realwest

But we also have posters wondering how it was that CAIR had that press release ready to go so quickly.
And me, especially, thinking that profiling isn't a bad thing in and of itself.
So yeah, if British Airways wanted to examine your carryon bag and shoes because your surname is Irish, it wouldn't bother me - and I don't know why it would bother you so much either.
Now if they denied you a seat JUST BECAUSE of your Irish surname that's a different story.

Has the IRA ever hijacked or bombed an aircraft?

195 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:21:25am

re: #170 Taqiyyotomist

Good question. Does someone at TSA call CAIR when this stuff happens? Does CAIR have a TSA "ticker"? Does TSA have some sort of information clearinghouse, ala liveblogging?

How could they blog while at work?

196 Li'l Mamzer  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:21:33am

re: #10 arcatan

Why is the Left so obsessed infected with bigotry?
Methinks they dost protest too much.

there - an editing suggestion - just a suggestion, thanks

197 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:21:35am

re: #132 rawmuse
I don't understand your position my friend: if someone is on the No Fly list, whether or not by error, what is the airline supposed to do?

198 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:21:49am
199 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:21:51am

re: #185 karmic_inquisitor

and then they start talking about where they should sit in terms of safety? Loudly for everyone on board to hear?

Erm, suicide bombers/hijackers generally aren't concerned for their personal safety, so I'm not sure why that's relevant.

200 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:22:16am

I really don't CAIR what they think ...

201 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:23:07am

re: #193 all else failed

You're a genius. Really.

202 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:23:08am

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Erm, suicide bombers/hijackers generally aren't concerned for their personal safety, so I'm not sure why that's relevant.

because irony is the axis of the universe

203 Morganfrost  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:23:15am
Irfan, 34, is an anesthesiologist. His brother, 29, is a lawyer. Both live in Alexandria with their families, and both were born in Detroit. They were traveling with their wives, Kashif Irfan’s sister-in-law, a friend and Kashif Irfan’s three sons, ages 7, 4 and 2.

Wow, married professionals, born in the US, serving the legal system and helping sick people. You just couldn't find a bunch of more respectable-looking and sympathetic-sounding plaintiffs if you planned the whole thing from the beginning, could you?

204 Sizzlack  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:23:20am

re: #200 _RememberTonyC

I really don't CAIR what they think ...

They don't think. They just open their mouths and let crap spew out.

205 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:23:23am

re: #193 all else failed

Oooohhhhh...now who's resorting to insults "tough guy?"? Ha hah haha ahahahahahahah!

Shut up you piece of shit troll. Oops, did I say that? I take that back. Shit is better than you.

206 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:23:28am

re: #172 all else failed

Go piss up a rope.

207 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:23:48am

re: #8 doriangrey

The men and women of the new Iraqi Air Force disagree.

208 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:23:52am

re: #206 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

High Five!

209 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:24:01am

re: #206 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

One of these days, I'm going to use Photoshop to put together a nice little graphic to go along with that for you. :)

210 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:24:14am

re: #206 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

Something tells me "all else failed" may be a sockpuppet that snuck through the cracks.

211 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:24:23am

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

Aren't Terrorist-Huggers™ the tight pants that are all the rage for under-burkha wear these days?

No, you're thinking of the Terrorist-Snuggie, relentlessly hawked on Al-Jazeera by Abu Bili al-Mays.

212 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:24:32am

re: #186 MandyManners

If they are citizens, they have the same civil rights as everyone else.

Except nobody's allowed to question whether someone is a citizen or not.

213 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:24:46am

They are obviously innocent.
It is the Juice with planes and bombs that are the real security threat.

/CAIR spokesimam

214 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:24:57am

re: #193 all else failed

FO, troll.

215 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:25:24am
216 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:25:31am

re: #189 Occasional Reader

What are you, some sort of terrorist-hugger?

/

No. Just someone who likes the First Amendment.

217 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:25:46am

Man, I have conflicted feelings about this.

My cousin, married to an Iranian Ba'hai, gets profiled if she files with her husband or kids. She complains, but a part of me thinks that this is not a bad thing. Until we invent some kind of terrorist-detecto-matic, we'll have to go with the only thing that the previous terrorists have had in common--a religion/nationality. Sorry, but this country has the right to defend itself.

Muslims haven't exactly done a lot to reassure us that they are in this fight with us. Having President Bush tell us they are peaceful is not what we need. We need to see western mosques firing radical imams.

Have you ever talked about bombs on an airplane? I haven't.

218 J.S.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:25:49am

re: #164 opnion

Exactly. And how many times have we read/heard about some bozo who makes a joke about "bombs" on board a plane or in his luggage (who's subsequently denied the privilege of boarding the plane)? (this happens...I read about some elderly fellow "joking" about a bomb, when his baggage was being inspected...and "no," security didn't find it at all amusing...and he didn't get on board the plane.) And the fellow in the current story who's accused of saying X, is a lawyer...surely, he would have to know better...unless, of course, it's done for the consumption of the Media and making Muslims into martyrs (and, all the while hopeful of eventually winning some multi-million dollar lawsuit on the grounds that they were discriminated against -- and, yes, this too happens.) But, we''ll, once again, have to wait for all the facts to come out...

219 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:25:56am

allelsefailed has been escorted off the plane and is being rebooked on another airline

220 brianoflondon  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:25:57am
Youtube Video

Little Girl: "Is it just Muslims that blow up planes?"
221 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:26:03am

STINKY AKBAR!

222 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:26:19am

re: #216 MandyManners

No. Just someone who likes the First Amendment.

right on

223 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:26:22am

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

It looks like al-Elsefailed's account just failed.

He wore out his welcome awful quick. When "all else fail"s, ban the sock puppets.

224 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:26:27am

re: #212 Taqiyyotomist

Except nobody's allowed to question whether someone is a citizen or not.

What?

225 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:26:31am

THANK YOU, CHARLES!

226 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:26:35am

re: #216 MandyManners

No. Just someone who likes the First Amendment.

And according to Hussein Obama that makes us all racist
/

227 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #201 Occasional Reader

You're a genius. Really.


He got blocked...

228 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:07am

(Sighs) Another day, another flame war stoked by Occasional Reader. I swear every thread he's on becomes a gas can.

/;-P

229 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:10am

re: #204 Sizzlack

Oh, they think alright. But what they think stinks worse than shit. And since I try to avoid shit whenever possible, I am not at all interested in the shitty views of CAIR and their ilk.

230 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:11am

re: #161 Occasional Reader
OK, O.R., but there is a BIG difference between over reaction and hysterically stupid.
And as to your #130, how would it be that Sinn Fein would have heard about the incident and had a press release ready to go with it in this short a time frame?

231 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:35am

re: #224 Sharmuta

What?

Scatch that. Just thinking, cynically, out loud.

232 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:35am

re: #203 Morganfrost

Wow, married professionals, born in the US, serving the legal system and helping sick people. You just couldn't find a bunch of more respectable-looking and sympathetic-sounding plaintiffs if you planned the whole thing from the beginning, could you?

* * *
Such nice totalitarian expansionist ideology fellow travelers--so at home inside the US Beltway which surrounds your nation's capital.

Northern Virginia is leftist and home to many such CAIRing folks.

233 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:36am

re: #203 Morganfrost

Wow, married professionals, born in the US, serving the legal system and helping sick people. You just couldn't find a bunch of more respectable-looking and sympathetic-sounding plaintiffs if you planned the whole thing from the beginning, could you?

Oh, beautiful point!

234 Westward Ho  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:51am

re: #123 realwest

Yes it is, but after 9/11 I'd err on the side of vigilence.

Realwest this incident seems to be a bit over the top don't you think? They got offloaded for nothing.

235 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:55am

re: #219 Shug

allelsefailed has been escorted off the plane and is being rebooked on another airline

Kosair?

236 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:27:56am
237 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:28:08am

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Erm, suicide bombers/hijackers generally aren't concerned for their personal safety, so I'm not sure why that's relevant.

I didn't say/imply that they were acting like suicide bombers.

They were acting like assholes.

Who wants to board a plane and hear loud passengers speculate on the crash worthiness of where they sit?

Look at it another way - you go into a nice restaurant, start looking at the menu, then some jerks 4 tables down start talking loudly about the relative food safety of the items on the menu. They start speculating over the fish, the pork, the beef ... Would you lose you appetite? I would.

The restaurant would be in their rights to ask them to leave and ask them to to agree on a restaurant that meets their food safety standards before entering the establishment.

That is my point.

238 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:28:20am

Just how quick was the press release issued, from the time of the incident?

239 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:28:33am

re: #58 Mad Mullah

Being a dirty infidel, I would easily pay a few bucks more for a seat on an airline that was only for infidels (no exceptions).


This is ridiculous. That's what private charters are for.
Or, get your own pilots license...
This whole Cair press release made within minutes of this unboarding occurrence smells foul of a plant to me.

240 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:28:35am

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

High Five!

Backatcha'!

241 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:28:53am

re: #210 Jetpilot1101

Something tells me "all else failed" may be a sockpuppet that snuck through the cracks.

It'd been here since 3/07.

242 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:28:55am

re: #170 Taqiyyotomist

Does CAIR have a TSA "ticker"?

I wouldn't be surprised, actually. Something along those lines, anyway.

243 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:29:16am

re: #212 Taqiyyotomist

Except nobody's allowed to question whether someone is a citizen or not.

So?

244 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:29:23am

Does anybody here think that it should be OK to go to a costume shop and get an SS uniform, used only by drunken British royals, before parading around Jewish neighborhoods? How about borrowing Robert Byrd's old Grand Imperial Kleegle robe from the KKK before strolling around Harlem discussing the mechanics of necktie parties? Then why should there be a license to display "traditional muslim garb and appearance" and discuss security in an airport or on an airplane?

245 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:29:42am

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

It looks like al-Elsefailed's account just failed.

Failed right into a big, brick wall.

246 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:29:53am

re: #172 all else failed
Hey jackass - Occasional Reader is not an hysterical kinda guy - and your ad hominen attack on him says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about him.

247 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:29:58am

re: #225 MandyManners

THANK YOU, CHARLES!

It's Friday and I just had a great lunch and Stinky Bans a jerk..
Does it get any better?

248 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:29:59am

re: #241 MandyManners

It'd been here since 3/07.

True but with only 32 comments, the vast majority of them came on today's thread.

249 rexatosis  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:30:05am

Just a brief aside on flying courtesy. There are alot of people who hate to fly, basically they have a real problem with the whole physics aspects of gravity and the velocity needed to overcome it, one little oops and your toast. I hate to fly (prefer trains and even Greyhound over flying) but it is often a necessary means of transportation given time and distance. For many people both the take-off and landing portions of the flight will give their blood-pressure a nice spike (and the ban on listening to one's Ipod, Discman, Walkmen during this portion of the flight doesn't make it any easier to distract one's self) Such individuals do not need some knuckled-dragging, self-indulgent neanderthals making any comments which will raise their blood-pressure any higher. Any inconvienence suffered by those making such comments may be considered Karma-tic justice.

250 SurferDoc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:30:14am

There are some things you don't say in an airport or on an airplane anymore. If you dress and look a certain way, that goes double. IF you want to test that, expect to experience the consequences.

251 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:30:50am

re: #228 Dirk Diggler

(Sighs) Another day, another flame war stoked by Occasional Reader. I swear every thread he's on becomes a gas can.

/;-P

What can I say, I'm full of passion. Like The Passion of the Christ. Say, what do you think of that movie?

/

252 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:30:55am

re: #237 karmic_inquisitor

That's a good point- when I worked in the liquor industry, we were given wide leeway by the law in refusing service. I can only imagine the airline industry would be given similar leeway. Again- a lot of it would come back to liability issues.

253 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:31:03am

re: #211 Occasional Reader

No, you're thinking of the Terrorist-Snuggie, relentlessly hawked on Al-Jazeera by Abu Bili al-Mays.

Does that come in extra-loose fit to hide the telltale bomb bulges?

254 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:31:05am

re: #222 albusteve

I hate that our enemies (terrorists and Communists) will use our freedoms against us.

255 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:31:17am
256 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #235 Alouette

Kosair?

anti-American airlines

257 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:31:37am

re: #226 ThinkRight

And according to Hussein Obama that makes us all racist
/

Yeah, well, fuck him.

258 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:31:37am

re: #174 Occasional Reader
O.R., please my friend, chill just a bit and read buzz's comment at #175.

259 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:32:22am

re: #220 brianoflondon

Greetings, speaking of security, are you back in America?

260 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #257 MandyManners

Yeah, well, fuck him.

You rock.

261 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:32:32am

re: #243 MandyManners

I guess what I was thinking was that everyone currently using oxygen within the USA must be a citizen, for all intents and purposes. The alternative would be cold-war Germany, where anyone with authority can ask us "are your papers in order?" Nevermind.

262 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:32:34am

re: #257 MandyManners

Yeah, well, fuck him.

The only person that does that these days is Michelle and I'm happy to keep it that way.

263 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:32:52am

re: #238 Taqiyyotomist

Just how quick was the press release issued, from the time of the incident?

The time-line is crucial to determining if this was a set-up.

264 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:33:09am

re: #237 karmic_inquisitor

Who wants to board a plane and hear loud passengers speculate on the crash worthiness of where they sit?

I've boarded planes in which aerophobic passengers were making remarks about safety. I shrug it off.

265 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:33:20am

re: #251 Occasional Reader

What can I say, I'm full of passion. Like The Passion of the Christ. Say, what do you think of that movie?

/

I watched that movie a couple weeks ago.. Sure was hard to watch..

266 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:33:34am

re: #242 Occasional Reader

I wouldn't be surprised, actually. Something along those lines, anyway.

Maybe a mole?

267 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:33:35am

re: #262 Jetpilot1101

The only person that does that these days is Michelle and I'm happy to keep it that way.

Please, please, please. I have kids that read the front page of the newspaper, and I did NOT enjoy the last go-round with that subject.

268 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:33:40am

re: #254 MandyManners

I hate that our enemies (terrorists and Communists) will use our freedoms against us.

no shit...but it may be the supreme expression of the rightousness of the whole grand thing...we will always get whacked in that regard...it cannot be otherwise imo

269 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:33:44am

re: #185 karmic_inquisitor
Excellent post.

270 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:33:52am

re: #262 Jetpilot1101

The only person that does that these days is Michelle and I'm happy to keep it that way.

I am hoping that Patrick Fitzgerald can do it to him and his buddies soon.

/Hope!

271 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:34:13am

re: #247 HoosierHoops

It's Friday and I just had a great lunch and Stinky Bans a jerk..
Does it get any better?

I keep on thinking this is Monday.

272 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:34:33am

re: #248 Jetpilot1101

True but with only 32 comments, the vast majority of them came on today's thread.

It had been waiting to pounce.

273 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:34:52am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

I've boarded planes in which aerophobic passengers were making remarks about safety. I shrug it off.

Good for you. I fly over 100K miles a year. It bothers me.

274 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:34:53am

re: #250 SurferDoc

There are some things you don't say in an airport or on an airplane anymore. If you dress and look a certain way, that goes double. IF you want to test that, expect to experience the consequences.

Profiling is one thing. But, the cap on this disboard was the group and the conversation. I vote for dis boarding any group who decides they want to discuss where the safest place to sit is on a loaded plane full of passengers.
If I was on that plane and heard this, I would have gotten off!

275 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:34:54am

re: #263 MandyManners

The time-line is crucial to determining if this was a set-up.


CNN had the story 3 weeks ago and was just waiting to release it till the conspirators actual flight
/

276 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:35:13am

This is not and should not be a Muslim issue. This is a behavior issue.

You don't say Bomb at the airport. Period.

277 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:35:15am
278 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:35:22am

re: #249 rexatosis

Just a brief aside on flying courtesy. There are alot of people who hate to fly, basically they have a real problem with the whole physics aspects of gravity and the velocity needed to overcome it, one little oops and your toast. I hate to fly (prefer trains and even Greyhound over flying) but it is often a necessary means of transportation given time and distance. For many people both the take-off and landing portions of the flight will give their blood-pressure a nice spike (and the ban on listening to one's Ipod, Discman, Walkmen during this portion of the flight doesn't make it any easier to distract one's self) Such individuals do not need some knuckled-dragging, self-indulgent neanderthals making any comments which will raise their blood-pressure any higher. Any inconvienence suffered by those making such comments may be considered Karma-tic justice.

AMEN!

279 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:35:35am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

I've boarded planes in which aerophobic passengers were making remarks about safety. I shrug it off.

My favorite thing to do when sitting next to a person who is scared of flying is to wait until landing. Then, when you can make out the features on the ground, look out the window and say "What the F--- are we doing in (insert any city name you want), we were supposed to go to (insert correct destination city)". Watch said passenger wig out. Good times.

280 midwestgak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:35:37am

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

Hi reine. Good to see you.

My brother has not flown since 9/11. He was in Chicago at the time (he lives in Texas) and got out of town by renting a car with several others.

281 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:35:56am

re: #266 MandyManners

Maybe a mole?

Or, does TSA promptly have to issue some sort of report via the web on every incident? If so, I'd bet CAIR monitors that site.

282 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #275 ThinkRight

CNN had the story 3 weeks ago and was just waiting to release it till the conspirators actual flight
/

They have the story as a Word template and just have to fill in the names, dates, and some innocuous remarks.

283 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:36:45am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

I've boarded planes in which aerophobic passengers were making remarks about safety. I shrug it off.

But, you obviously have much better nerves and POV than many others.

284 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:36:53am

Way back in 1972, a college acquaintenance took me to the airport and made an asinine joke about a bomb while we were walking to the gate. He was arrested, tossed in jail for the night, and eventually fined for disorderly conduct. I was grilled for about 2 hours, searched, and put on a later flight. This clown was a blond American in a much less seriously threatening time, so I really tend to be skeptical about allegations of profiling in these incidents.

285 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:36:54am
286 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #280 midwestgak

Hi reine. Good to see you.

My brother has not flown since 9/11. He was in Chicago at the time (he lives in Texas) and got out of town by renting a car with several others.

I haven't flown since then either, but that's because flying with five kids would require me to REALLY want to go somewhere.

I used to get serious envy of people who look bored on the airplane.

287 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:37:02am

But while the topic is open as to where to sit on a plane, the most dangerous place in a crash is first class. They have almost no chance of surviving. The cheap seats are safer. There is a fire risk near the wings but that is balanced by the increased structural integrity and chance to get out onto the wing if it lands in the water. The far back next to the bulkhead, flight attendants seating, is uncomfortable but most likely to survive.

288 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:37:03am

re: #282 Kosh's Shadow

They have the story as a Word template and just have to fill in the names, dates, and some innocuous remarks.

Remember when they released Dick Cheney's obit online (in 2007, I think)?

289 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:37:08am

re: #194 Alouette
Not that I'm aware of, in fact I don't knonw that the IRA has done any bombing lately, but I still stand by my post.

290 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:37:43am

re: #273 karmic_inquisitor

Good for you. I fly over 100K miles a year. It bothers me.

Nothing personal, but; why? That fearful passenger knows nothing more (and probably considerably less) about the airplane's safety than you do. Why let their fears affect you?

291 strandedsf  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:37:59am
Irfan said he and the others think they were profiled because of their appearance. He said five of the six adults in the party are of South Asian descent, and all six are traditionally Muslim in appearance...

You might want to consider not dressing like a terrorist if you don't want other passengers to think you are a terrorist.

292 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:01am

re: #287 lifeofthemind


It's a conspiracy! The Knights of Doppler arranged it.

293 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:02am

re: #279 Jetpilot1101

My favorite thing to do when sitting next to a person who is scared of flying is to wait until landing. Then, when you can make out the features on the ground, look out the window and say "What the F--- are we doing in (insert any city name you want), we were supposed to go to (insert correct destination city)". Watch said passenger wig out. Good times.

I was on a flight where the crew played that game.
Just after we landed at Logan Airport (Boston), they said "Welcome to NY" or something like that.
I had been watching and knew very well where we were.
Besides, they actually let me keep the headphones, and I was tuned to the air traffic control channel, so I also knew where we were.

294 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:07am

The next airline that does suffer a breach will likely lose a lot of business- all the airlines might. As a business, it's just not a risk they can afford. I support the airline in this- they did what they felt they had to do. That the offended party has terrorist shills supporting them doesn't help their case, imho.

295 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #283 MandyManners

But, you obviously have much better nerves and POV than many others.

I have nerves of steel. No, wait, I meant buns of steel.

296 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:22am

re: #268 albusteve

no shit...but it may be the supreme expression of the rightousness of the whole grand thing...we will always get whacked in that regard...it cannot be otherwise imo

Giving up our rights for safety leads to neither.

297 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:35am

re: #203 Morganfrost
Well, you could make them ALL US citizens, but other than that I don't see how!

298 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:43am

OT but Rejoice

Ixnay to Al-Franken! A POX on Al Franken~ Filibuster Franken

Way to go, Senator Cornyn.

Cornyn promises filibuster on Franken seating
By Aaron Blake
Posted: 01/02/09 01:05 PM [ET]
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) threatened Friday to filibuster any attempt to seat Democratic Minnesota Senate candidate Al Franken next week.

The newly minted National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) chairman said he had not whipped votes in the GOP caucus, but added that he could not imagine any members defecting and seating Franken without a certificate of election.


Franken will not have that certificate as long as the election is challenged in the courts — a likely scenario, with Sen. Norm Coleman’s (R-Minn.) legal team already attacking the credibility of the recount process.


[Link: thehill.com...]

299 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:49am

re: #275 ThinkRight

CNN had the story 3 weeks ago and was just waiting to release it till the conspirators actual flight
/

LOL!

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:56am

re: #292 EmmmieG

Forgot something: /

301 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:38:59am
302 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:17am

re: #276 Shug

This is not and should not be a Muslim issue. This is a behavior issue.

You don't say Bomb at the airport. Period.

agreed...but it's the nature of people to split hairs...tweak definitions...argue for attention and what have you....I like it simple as you say

303 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:31am

re: #210 Jetpilot1101
Gee, ya think?!

304 SixDegrees  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:42am
The Council on American Islamic Relations (unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding trial) took a break from their busy schedule of supporting Hamas to capitalize on this opportunity to scream “discrimination!”

Let's try to imagine a pair of clean-shaven caucasian gentlemen wandering through a mosque, commenting on structural details, placement of exits, approach roads and, you know, other harmless, nonchalant conversational topics. Think anyone might be a bit apprehensive? No, of course not...

How about if someone in the mosque spotted the same couple of guys in the parking lot, getting out of a Ryder truck and running away from the mosque? Everybody cool with that?

Maybe I'll try one of these courses of action, and scream that I'm being profiled by a bunch of bigoted racist fundamentalists.

Oh, wait - that would be true, I guess.

305 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:47am

re: #279 Jetpilot1101

My favorite thing to do when sitting next to a person who is scared of flying is to wait until landing. Then, when you can make out the features on the ground, look out the window and say "What the F--- are we doing in (insert any city name you want), we were supposed to go to (insert correct destination city)". Watch said passenger wig out. Good times.

More seriously.... best thing I've found for calming a fearful seatmate is to say, "watch the flight crew. They do this all the time. If they don't look nervous, why should you be?"

306 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:49am

re: #279 Jetpilot1101

My favorite thing to do when sitting next to a person who is scared of flying is to wait until landing. Then, when you can make out the features on the ground, look out the window and say "What the F--- are we doing in (insert any city name you want), we were supposed to go to (insert correct destination city)". Watch said passenger wig out. Good times.

*WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK*

307 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:49am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

I've boarded planes in which aerophobic passengers were making remarks about safety. I shrug it off.

And i don't think this was a case of aerophobia. They would not have wanted to get on another flight right afterward if this was some instance where they were truly aerophobic.

It is a case of a group of people being assholes. And they knew what they said would bother people - they were admittedly conscious of how they were dressed and used that consciousness to accuse fellow passengers of racism. Which makes them bigots too.

Disruptive assholes bigots - boot them off the plane.

308 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:50am

re: #293 Kosh's Shadow

I was on a flight where the crew played that game.
Just after we landed at Logan Airport (Boston), they said "Welcome to NY" or something like that.
I had been watching and knew very well where we were.
Besides, they actually let me keep the headphones, and I was tuned to the air traffic control channel, so I also knew where we were.

True story. About 15 years ago or so, a jet actually landed at Cabanis Field (a navy OLF) instead of Corpus Christi International. I don't know what happened to the pilots but they were very surprised upon landing. The passengers were picked up in a bus.

309 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:39:56am

So this guy gets on LGF back in March of '07, almost 2 years ago, but never posts anything hardly until today. I wonder how many other moles are on the rolls? What prompted the enemy to activate this guy today?

310 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:40:09am
311 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:40:18am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

I've boarded planes in which aerophobic passengers were making remarks about safety. I shrug it off.

I would be tempted to say something like, "Hey, it's a really old plane and it hasn't crashed yet. What are you worried about?"

312 midwestgak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #286 EmmmieG

I haven't flown since then either, but that's because flying with five kids would require me to REALLY want to go somewhere.

I used to get serious envy of people who look bored on the airplane.

LOL. Congrats on the family, BTW.

313 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:40:30am
314 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:40:42am

re: #285 ploome hineni

muslims who are prohibited BY SHARIA LAW, from swearing loyalty to the SECULAR Amerian constitution are NOT QUALIFIED TO BE citizens, they simpy are muslims, loyal to the UMMAH

who happen to live here

They don't even recognize their own "national" boundaries, in large part. Those lines were drawn by the civilized world, who carved up the defeated Ottoman Empire and said "ok, this is now called Jordan, this area will be called Iraq, etc.".

315 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:40:52am

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

Bulls Eye.

316 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:41:11am

re: #281 Occasional Reader

Or, does TSA promptly have to issue some sort of report via the web on every incident? If so, I'd bet CAIR monitors that site.

Why in the world would TSA be required to announce these things immediately? That is extremely dangerous.

317 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:41:11am

re: #186 MandyManners

If they are citizens, they have the same civil rights as everyone else.

Yes they do, but at what point do we decide that the rights of a few are more important than the right of the majority? Yes, I do personally feel that the US should ban Islam, not as a religion, but because it is a political ideology whose intention is the forced submission of every human being on earth. Every single place on earth where the Muslim population has exceeded 10% of the population they have used or are using violence to gain control of every single aspect of life in that country. Islam is not a peaceful religion, it is a religion of violent conquest.

The First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech is not and never was intended to be absolute. There have always been restrictions on freedom of speech. You cannot scream fire in a crowded theater, you cannot use "fighting words", you cannot threaten to kill someone.

If, we the people, cannot say no you cannot live here, then we the people do not have your vaunted freedom of speech.

318 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:41:14am

re: #309 father_of_10

So this guy gets on LGF back in March of '07, almost 2 years ago, but never posts anything hardly until today. I wonder how many other moles are on the rolls? What prompted the enemy to activate this guy today?

CAIR

319 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:41:16am

re: #301 buzzsawmonkey

Those must play hell with your choppers at barbecues.

Thanks to the Pillsbury Workout Plan, I now have Buns of Buns.

320 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:41:44am

re: #309 father_of_10

So this guy gets on LGF back in March of '07, almost 2 years ago, but never posts anything hardly until today. I wonder how many other moles are on the rolls? What prompted the enemy to activate this guy today?

/he must have taken the tinfoil hat off

321 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:41:44am

I haven't flown since 9/11...won't do it either unless I'm piloting the plane myself.

322 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:41:45am

re: #309 father_of_10

So this guy gets on LGF back in March of '07, almost 2 years ago, but never posts anything hardly until today. I wonder how many other moles are on the rolls? What prompted the enemy to activate this guy today?


Sleeper Cells ?Lizards ?
/

323 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:42:04am

ManCAIRian candidates

324 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:42:10am

re: #285 ploome hineni

I learn something new here every day.

325 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:42:46am

re: #295 Occasional Reader

I have nerves of steel. No, wait, I meant buns of steel.

I don't fly anymore but, when I did, I'd have to be drugged to the gills to even get to the terminal.

326 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:42:56am

re: #321 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I haven't flown since 9/11...won't do it either unless I'm piloting the plane myself.

No offense, but I think you're denying yourself quite a lot of opportunities, based on a very, very small risk.

327 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:43:31am

re: #322 ThinkRight

Sleeper Cells ?Lizards ?
/

Well, it certainly goes to show that the enemy definitely thinks LGF is a threat to them. Good job Charles and fellow-posters.

328 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:43:32am

re: #325 MandyManners

I don't fly anymore but, when I did, I'd have to be drugged to the gills to even get to the terminal.

And this was different from any other day... how?

KIDDING!

329 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:43:33am

re: #234 Westward Ho
I don't know any such thing. I wasn't there. The Air Marshals were and the crew was and the airline booted 'em off the plane.
Barring further evidence, I'd still hold off on blaming either the airline or the TSA.
And of course there are contra-indicators as to this entire incident being made up.
So I would definitely hold off judging the Airline and the TSA at all right now.

330 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:44:01am
331 father_of_10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:44:03am

re: #325 MandyManners

I don't fly anymore but, when I did, I'd have to be drugged to the gills to even get to the terminal.

Did that make you terminally gilled?

332 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:44:12am

re: #326 Occasional Reader

No offense, but I think you're denying yourself quite a lot of opportunities, based on a very, very small risk.

You're correct. It's more risky to get behind the steering wheel of your car than to fly commercial airlines.

333 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:44:18am

re: #326 Occasional Reader

No offense, but I think you're denying yourself quite a lot of opportunities, based on a very, very small risk.

None taken...I prefer to drive anyway and am enjoying my flying lessons.

334 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:44:43am

re: #305 Occasional Reader

More seriously.... best thing I've found for calming a fearful seatmate is to say, "watch the flight crew. They do this all the time. If they don't look nervous, why should you be?"

Or what any professional will say to a civilian. "Keep an eye on me. If you see me start to run just get there first." Honestly that always works to calm people down. First they focus, then they trust, then they feel silly and relax. The best line in the airport was when the cop told the girl to watch his dog and run when the dog did.

335 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:44:53am

re: #317 doriangrey

You off work today? Any Baileys left?

336 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:44:54am

re: #325 MandyManners

Just wondering--did you ever fly with The Kid?

337 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:44:57am

re: #241 MandyManners
Yeah, but ya know some of them are sleepers - really good at it too.

338 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:45:07am

re: #296 MandyManners

Giving up our rights for safety leads to neither.

quite right...now what?...it's an evolving situation..maybe we have to have draconian, inflexible laws with regard to air travel....of course it would be swell if Cair were exposed as a seditious entity and disolved...I dont have the answer

339 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:45:14am

re: #310 Iron Fist

It's always been that way. Organized crime counts on being able to get away with stuff that is pretty blatant because John Law just can't do things like search without a warrant. We touched on that the other day, in regard to illegally carrying a concealed weapon. Just because you are wearing, say, Hell's Angels colors doesn't mean a cop can just stop you and pat you down to see if you are carrying.

He sure as hell can give you more scrutiny than he would, say, a 70 year old woman in a wheel chair. Being openly Mohammedan is at the very least like wearing colors. Of course the cops are going to pay more attention to them than they will the old woman. And that is what the CAIR-bears are really whining about.

I'm all for religious profiling.

340 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:46:12am

re: #290 Occasional Reader

Nothing personal, but; why? That fearful passenger knows nothing more (and probably considerably less) about the airplane's safety than you do. Why let their fears affect you?

It isn't fear. These people were not aerophobic. Had they been, CAIR would be all over it. They are simply being loud and obnoxious.

And that bothers me. I usually get upgraded, and believe me - there are plenty of assholes up front. 90% are experience travelers that are thinking "point A to point B" but 10% find the need to announce to the cabin where they are vacationing or whose wedding they are attending in the Hamptons or what they think of the wine.

These muslim flyers admit to the same behavior, except that they were harming the reputation of Airtran and the comfort of the passengers at the same time. And if they said "bomb" (which passengers allege and they deny) then they were actually violating federal law to boot.

341 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:46:25am
342 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:46:48am

re: #247 HoosierHoops
Yes, why yes it does - the cops (all six patrol cars and at least two "unmarked" cars) just left my apartment complex!
YOWZA!

343 flbob10  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:46:52am

setup setup setup

344 midwestgak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:47:30am

re: #321 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I haven't flown since 9/11...won't do it either unless I'm piloting the plane myself.

Hope you're a pilot or that might be kinda dangerous./

345 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:47:32am

Wow, cool video on bibi's international interview spree -- Apparently his bureau has given it a nickname -- Bibi See

Youtube Video

From Israel's channel 2, part hebrew with english subtitles, part english.

346 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:47:42am

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

You know, you really hit a nerve with me there. Less than a month after 9-11, I got an email from my police precinct captain saying to the effect "Please let me know if you see anything suspicious". I wrote him back saying, "oh you mean like a large group of Middle Eastern men with beards and scarves chanting "death to America' and burning American flags? Because, when is there a day when that is NOT happening over on Market St. or at SF State?"

These exhortations are window dressing.

347 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:47:43am

re: #279 Jetpilot1101

My favorite thing to do when sitting next to a person who is scared of flying is to wait until landing. Then, when you can make out the features on the ground, look out the window and say "What the F--- are we doing in (insert any city name you want), we were supposed to go to (insert correct destination city)". Watch said passenger wig out. Good times.

I am just such a passenger.

Flew once to St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands. The runway comes out into the water. As we were coming down to land, all I could see all around me, from the seat where I was, was water. Just water. I couldn't see the island or the runway. Just water. Talk about somebody who was completely wigged out . . .

348 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:47:51am

re: #325 MandyManners

I don't fly anymore but, when I did, I'd have to be drugged to the gills to even get to the terminal.

When Me and 2 co-workers flew to Hawaii.. One was terrified to fly..
So we sat in the bar and got her drunk..drunk..drunk..
She passed out on the plane and slept like a baby..It was pretty funny.

349 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:48:14am

re: #317 doriangrey

Yes they do, but at what point do we decide that the rights of a few are more important than the right of the majority? Yes, I do personally feel that the US should ban Islam, not as a religion, but because it is a political ideology whose intention is the forced submission of every human being on earth. Every single place on earth where the Muslim population has exceeded 10% of the population they have used or are using violence to gain control of every single aspect of life in that country. Islam is not a peaceful religion, it is a religion of violent conquest.

The First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech is not and never was intended to be absolute. There have always been restrictions on freedom of speech. You cannot scream fire in a crowded theater, you cannot use "fighting words", you cannot threaten to kill someone.

If, we the people, cannot say no you cannot live here, then we the people do not have your vaunted freedom of speech.

The Bill of Rights is intended to protect the individual from the government and the majority that elected the government.

I was not refering to the free speech clause but to the religion clauses. The men who wrote those clauses never intended to keep out people of a certain religion. To the contrary.

350 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:48:15am

re: #251 Occasional Reader
ROFL - Oh you're a BAD boy O.R.!

351 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:48:21am

re: #343 flbob10

setup setup setup

?

352 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:48:34am

7 month Shug Jr, Mrs Shug and I are flying to Texas next week.

Shug Jr already has his freq flier card and passport. This is our trial. Big learning curve for us taking a baby on the plane. We can't wait

The world is big and wonderful and is there to be explored and we have always and will always go out and explore it.
Next stop Florida in Feb, then perhaps the Caribbean, then beyond

353 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:48:43am

After reading this, it reminds me of a freind of mine who goes on and on and on about how the USG is targetting 'brown people' because they could be suspected terrorists and such and so forth.

I usually look back at him and say, "Demographics are kinda against them. And if another 9/11 sneaks through" get ready for a real life version of "The Seige". And to be honest, what we are seeing is rather mild compared to...say, the 1940's and what happened to the Japanese-Americans."

his counter arguement goes something like, "This shouldn't happen. We shouldn't loose all the progress we've made."

mine: "Get used to it. Wars do unpleasant things to societies. It could be much worse."

354 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #325 MandyManners

I don't fly anymore but, when I did, I'd have to be drugged to the gills to even get to the terminal.

Me too.

355 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:48:55am

re: #341 ploome hineni

To become a citizen of US one has to take an oath of allegiance.

Um, these people are natural-born citizens, according to the report. No oath required.

356 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:48:59am

re: #328 Occasional Reader

And this was different from any other day... how?

KIDDING!

Different substance?

357 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:49:07am

My Baby Lizard is very nervous about flying since 9/11. Two years ago we were going to London, and he told me how worried he was. I told reassured him about the security and then said, "If anyone stands up as though they're threatening, I'll take him out."

He relaxed at once, He knows I'd do it,. I learned a lot from wrestling a 6-year-older brother.

358 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:49:23am

re: #305 Occasional Reader

More seriously.... best thing I've found for calming a fearful seatmate is to say, "watch the flight crew. They do this all the time. If they don't look nervous, why should you be?"

I'm not the best flyer anymore. I used to enjoy it. Now, not so much.

A couple of years ago hubby and I were on a connecting commuter flight from DC (Reagan) to Charlotte. It was a night flight and there were several other airline pilots on board headed back to Charlotte. All of a sudden the plane swerved left, then swerved right. Us passengers were tossed around a bit and when the plane was level again, there was dead silence. I think I spoke for everyone when I said quite loudly, "Holy crap!"

However, none of the other airline personnel along for the ride even batted an eye. They just kept on with their conversation. Found out later, we performed an evasive maneuver for a "near miss" situation.

359 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:49:32am

re: #331 father_of_10

Did that make you terminally gilled?

You could pour me into my seat.

360 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:49:34am

re: #265 HoosierHoops

I watched that movie a couple weeks ago.. Sure was hard to watch..

* * *
Another tough near-DOCUMENTARY is "United Flight 93." That's what happened at Shanksville, Pennsylvania on 9/11/01, everybody.

This "United Flight 93" and "An American Carol" (now available on DVD) would make great 12th Night presents this January 6, Three Kings Day presents.

361 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:49:56am

re: #336 EmmmieG

Just wondering--did you ever fly with The Kid?

No, nor shall I.

362 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:50:16am

re: #264 Occasional Reader
I do understand where you're coming from O.R., but how many of those passengers were wearing what most folks think of as traditional muslim garb?

363 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:50:21am

re: #341 ploome hineni

I believe that is called Kithman. Crossing your fingers behind your back, so to speak, denying your faith with your tongue while keeping it with your heart.

Taqiyya (or any number of alternate spellings) is just using verbal deception and "outwitting" in order to gain points in debate. They both involve lying, but Kithman specifically involves lying about allegience to Allah and the Ummah.

364 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:50:24am

re: #337 realwest

Yeah, but ya know some of them are sleepers - really good at it too.

He was a moby sleeper, as well as just being a nasty bastard.

365 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:50:24am

re: #347 reine.de.tout

Flew once to St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands. The runway comes out into the water. As we were coming down to land, all I could see all around me, from the seat where I was, was water. Just water.

Sounds like LaGuardia, which I am reliably informed is nicknamed by commercial pilots as "the aircraft carrier". Reagan National is a little like that, too.

366 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:50:27am
367 Shanimal1918  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:50:40am

Palestinian propoganda brought to you by the AP:

Muslims around the world protest Gaza assault

368 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:02am
369 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:09am

re: #345 Joo-LiZ

Wow, cool video on bibi's international interview spree -- Apparently his bureau has given it a nickname -- Bibi See


[Video]

From Israel's channel 2, part hebrew with english subtitles, part english.

crap.... wrong video --- THAT video was in France, 5 minutes in the topic changes to a Bibi-plan-for-peace with the West Bank.

HERE is the originally intended Channel 2 video! (Sorry for the confusion!)

Youtube Video
370 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:10am

re: #354 reine.de.tout

Me too.

That's interesting... you're taking flying lessons, but it's commercial flights that produce this fear? That's unusual.

371 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:12am
372 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:17am

re: #338 albusteve

quite right...now what?...it's an evolving situation..maybe we have to have draconian, inflexible laws with regard to air travel....of course it would be swell if Cair were exposed as a seditious entity and disolved...I dont have the answer

The government needs to keep after CAIR 'cause they're up to no good but, until they are convicted of a crime, they're free to advocate for their POV.

373 Erik The Red  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:47am

re: #352 Shug

Make sure you have plenty of liquids for him to drink during take off. Let him suck to help him equalize his ears.

374 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:56am

re: #343 flbob10

setup setup setup

Leading to an upset upset upset.

375 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:59am
376 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:51:59am

re: #349 MandyManners

The Bill of Rights is intended to protect the individual from the government and the majority that elected the government.

I was not refering to the free speech clause but to the religion clauses. The men who wrote those clauses never intended to keep out people of a certain religion. To the contrary.

They also never intended to allow the rights of US citizens to be the tool of a quasi religious/political movement that subjugated the US to that religion.

377 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:52:04am

re: #362 realwest

I do understand where you're coming from O.R., but how many of those passengers were wearing what most folks think of as traditional muslim garb?

If I saw Muslim-garbed passengers conversing about their fear of flying, I'd shrug that off, too.

378 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:52:19am

re: #281 Occasional Reader

Or, does TSA promptly have to issue some sort of report via the web on every incident? If so, I'd bet CAIR monitors that site.

* * *
Surely CAIR has a rapid response team in its WAR room.

379 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:52:21am

re: #197 realwest

I don't understand your position my friend: if someone is on the No Fly list, whether or not by error, what is the airline supposed to do?

The airline is not to blame, there. BUT, it becomes incumbent upon the one on the list to clear their name. How do I know this? My name is on the list, not because I am a terrorist, but because I have a very common name (like John Smith). It was a real pain in the rear. Funny thing, no news articles were written about my plight.

380 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:52:25am

re: #370 Occasional Reader

That's interesting... you're taking flying lessons, but it's commercial flights that produce this fear? That's unusual.

Oh, you've got me confused. I'm not taking flying lessons. No way, no how.

381 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:52:29am

re: #279 Jetpilot1101
You have an, uh, unusual sense of humor! I like that!

382 Rancher  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:52:53am

How is CAIR supporting Hamas? I'm at work, Youtube is blocked. I'd like to know if they're supporting the launching of rocket bombs at civilian targets. That would take some interesting twists of logic.

383 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:53:18am

re: #348 HoosierHoops

When Me and 2 co-workers flew to Hawaii.. One was terrified to fly..
So we sat in the bar and got her drunk..drunk..drunk..
She passed out on the plane and slept like a baby..It was pretty funny.

Nowadays they might refuse her boarding pass.

384 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #352 Shug

More diapers than you think you'll need, and at least one extra set of clothes, if not two.

My sister once got on a plan with a full diaper bag and an extra set of clothes (and the baby, obviously). She got off with the kid in the last diaper, and nothing else.

Obviously, this doesn't happen every time, or nobody would fly with babies.

385 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:53:26am

re: #372 MandyManners

The government needs to keep after CAIR 'cause they're up to no good but, until they are convicted of a crime, they're free to advocate for their POV.


And again
Hussein Obama said CAIR was going to help him craft legislation
/we are so screwed

386 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:54:06am

re: #287 lifeofthemind

But while the topic is open as to where to sit on a plane, the most dangerous place in a crash is first class. They have almost no chance of surviving. The cheap seats are safer. There is a fire risk near the wings but that is balanced by the increased structural integrity and chance to get out onto the wing if it lands in the water. The far back next to the bulkhead, flight attendants seating, is uncomfortable but most likely to survive.

I have flown on international flights in the far far rear of a jumbo jet, the next to last row. It may be the safest seat but it is sure not a smooth ride.

387 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:54:14am

Memri translation of Iranian kids show re: Gaza

If this doesn't make you want to put your foot through monitor, nothing will:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

388 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:54:16am

re: #365 Occasional Reader

Sounds like LaGuardia, which I am reliably informed is nicknamed by commercial pilots as "the aircraft carrier". Reagan National is a little like that, too.

I landed at Dulles once in thick fog. I was thinking "sounds like the landing gear going down but we're too high. I don't see anything"
Then the thump of the gear on the ground.
Instrument landing systems are amazing.

389 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:54:21am

re: #380 reine.de.tout

Oh, you've got me confused. I'm not taking flying lessons. No way, no how.

Sorry, I mixed you up with Pulch Pat.

390 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:54:30am

re: #280 midwestgak

Hi reine. Good to see you.

My brother has not flown since 9/11. He was in Chicago at the time (he lives in Texas) and got out of town by renting a car with several others.

{gak}
Good to see you too!
btw - check your e-mail.
Game about to begin!

391 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:54:33am

re: #348 HoosierHoops

When Me and 2 co-workers flew to Hawaii.. One was terrified to fly..
So we sat in the bar and got her drunk..drunk..drunk..
She passed out on the plane and slept like a baby..It was pretty funny.

"I ain't gettin' on no aeroplane!"

They always got him on unconscious.

392 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:54:51am

WAAA.... WAAA.... WAAA....

Call a WAAAAmbulance!

393 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:55:02am
394 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:55:44am

re: #372 MandyManners

The government needs to keep after CAIR 'cause they're up to no good but, until they are convicted of a crime, they're free to advocate for their POV.

sorta like Hell's Allah Angels....

395 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:55:57am

re: #388 Kosh's Shadow

I landed at Dulles once in thick fog.

It's actually named that because it's Dulles dishwater. (Very few airport services for an airport that size... just nothing to DO while you're waiting for your flight.)

396 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:56:33am

re: #357 goddessoftheclassroom

My Baby Lizard is very nervous about flying since 9/11. Two years ago we were going to London, and he told me how worried he was. I told reassured him about the security and then said, "If anyone stands up as though they're threatening, I'll take him out."

He relaxed at once, He knows I'd do it,. I learned a lot from wrestling a 6-year-older brother.

On the other hand, I have a different attitude

(lurking can be SO much fun!)

MWAH!

397 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:56:37am

re: #386 Alouette

I have flown on international flights in the far far rear of a jumbo jet, the next to last row. It may be the safest seat but it is sure not a smooth ride.

On the plus side, though, you get to find out what the restrooms smell like.

/

398 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:56:42am

re: #385 ThinkRight

And again
Hussein Obama said CAIR was going to help him craft legislation
/we are so screwed

Recently, or was that a campaign lie (I hope)?

399 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #386 Alouette

I have flown on international flights in the far far rear of a jumbo jet, the next to last row. It may be the safest seat but it is sure not a smooth ride.

In a 777, the extra room can make up for it. Found the seats are wider in the last row, and there is extra leg room. It was too small to put 3 seats on the window sides, or to squeeze in another row, so there is some extra room.

400 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:57:12am

re: #206 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

Nice! Brand new 2009 rope!

401 drj  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:57:15am

The bottom line is, you are not going to change discrimination...and it would be unwise to do so.

Think about it - if five thug looking white guys were approaching you on the street, and white thug looking guys hijaked planes, commited suicide bombings and were on the television talking about the killing of infidels, or if it were recently reported in the news that white thug looking guys had just robbed someone in your area, is it wrong to discriminate by being a little afraid and maybe cross the street or reach for your gun as you walk by them? I think not.

The fact that they had children does not matter - since we've all seen the bomb strapped muslim boys in the newspapers from the Middle East. They recruit children to be brainwashed and become suicide bombers. Radicals would find it an honor to sacrifice thier children for Allah...

Good for the pilot! Good for the airlines!

402 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:57:30am

So, let's get this straight. AirTran makes a judgment call and the passengers involved get pulled from the flight for further questioning and screening. One of the nine blows a gasket. AirTran doesn't get informed that the passengers got cleared from TSA and doesn't rebook them on the next available flight, but the passengers end up getting booked on USAirways instead.

This is a case not of flying while Muslim, but flying while stupid.

Hutcheson said AirTran initially refused to rebook the family because the airline had not been notified the investigation was complete. He said the passengers were offered full refunds and are now welcome to fly on AirTran after being cleared by authorities.

"At the end of the day, people got on and made comments they shouldn't have made on the airplane, and other people heard them," Hutcheson said. "Other people heard them, misconstrued them. It just so happened these people were of Muslim faith and appearance. It escalated, it got out of hand and everyone took precautions."

Christopher White, a federal Transportation Security Administration spokesman, said the situation was handled appropriately.

White said the pilot, after being informed of the remarks, requested that two federal air marshals on board remove the individuals. TSA then alerted authorities, including the FBI, which conducted an investigation. Once authorities determined there was no threat, it was up to the airline whether to allow the family to reboard.

"If the pilot is uncomfortable with someone flying on their plane, that's their decision," White said.

The pilot clearly didn't want to take chances and wanted the authorities to sort things out. The authorities carried out their investigation, but didn't tell the airline they completed the investigation and found no problems.

403 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:57:33am

The news article said..

Members of the party, all but one of them U.S.-born citizens who were headed to a religious retreat in Florida

CAIR's press release said..

The Council on American-Islamic Relations said that nine American Muslims, most of them headed to Florida for a vacation with family members, were removed from an AirTran Airways flight Thursday afternoon at Reagan National Airport.

I seriously doubt the news article just fabricated that detail about the religious retreat. CAIR left that detail out for a reason.

The last case of "flying while Muslim" in which Muslims were removed from a plane for suspicious behavior involved a group of Imams who were leaving a religious retreat. Minor detail I suppose.

404 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:57:35am

re: #368 Iron Fist

Cars kill more people than guns every year. It's been that way practically forever. Yet people can go to a car dealer and get a car that'll do 200 MPH on a straight away and nobody thinks anything about it. The media have a lot of influence on things like that. The fact that people are still worried about Mohammedans on planes despite the constant drumbeat of "Religion of Peace" is an indicator of how bad things really are.

If they were smart, the Mohammedans would be glad to prove that they weren't a threat, rather than whining because someone took them for a threat. It's not like the TSA gunned them down on the tarmac.

You're so on target. The Mohammedans were not really concerned about their "safety" here. They know the media will light the fire on the issue of discrimination and racial profiling when they make that call to CAIR.
If they were concerned about where the safest seat on the plane really is, they would have pulled that info up on the web, and viewed their flights assigned
jet info with seating arrangements and requested assigned seating before they got on that plane.
This stinks of a setup with CAIR just waiting in the wings for the call.

405 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:57:40am

re: #398 jwb7605

Recently, or was that a campaign lie (I hope)?


During the primaries

406 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:58:00am

re: #394 albusteve

sorta like Hell's Allah Angels....

Reminds me that there is a Jewish motorcycle club. One chapter is called "Hillel's Angels"

407 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:58:21am

somehow....I think Obama is going to treat CAIR like a radioactive isotope at this point

408 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:58:32am

re: #399 Kosh's Shadow

In a 777, the extra room can make up for it. Found the seats are wider in the last row, and there is extra leg room. It was too small to put 3 seats on the window sides, or to squeeze in another row, so there is some extra room.

Also, better chance of finding an empty 3-seat row toward the back, and racking out. (Although those are scarce these days.)

Better still, of course, is an upgrade.

409 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:58:47am

re: #364 MandyManners

He was a moby sleeper, as well as just being a nasty bastard.

I got in just a few minutes ago, and noticed that an anal orifice bought it upstairs.

Just curious, was it actually posting "moby" stuff?

410 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:58:50am

re: #321 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I haven't flown since 9/11...won't do it either unless I'm piloting the plane myself.

* * *
Remember Cindy McCain also learned to fly & piloted herself~

You go, Ms. Patriot!

411 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:59:13am

re: #347 reine.de.tout

I have landed there and thought the same thing. But taking off from St. Thomas is no picnic either. You have to get altitude quick to clear the mountain at the end of the runway. The plane only carries enough fuel to hop over to St. Croix for a fill-up.

412 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:59:15am

re: #341 ploome hineni

Tequila I am familar with, but my interpitation has alway been that it is okay to lie to non believers. Something I have plenty of personal experience with relating to business. But never understood it to mean that you as a muslim can not in good faith be a citizen of a non-muslim country. Interesting. Revealing.

413 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:59:16am

re: #407 Jewels (AKA Julian)

somehow....I think Obama is going to treat CAIR like a radioactive isotope at this point


Dont hold your breath waiting on that

414 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:59:42am

re: #396 pre-Boomer Marine brat

On the other hand, I have a different attitude

(lurking can be SO much fun!)

MWAH!

This not really a rejoinder, but I thought you'd like it...

MWAH!

415 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #406 Kosh's Shadow

Reminds me that there is a Jewish motorcycle club. One chapter is called "Hillel's Angels"

There is another Jewish motorcycle club called K*kes on Bikes (I'm not making this up)

416 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 10:59:56am

re: #389 Occasional Reader

Sorry, I mixed you up with Pulch Pat.

It's a control issue thing. Also, when I was a kid I saw this happen:
http://www.pontchartrain.net/templates/System/details.asp?id=40334&PID=495475

It took me a while to fly again after that, and I would never fly in bad weather. Then 9/11 happened and I decided that I'd rather fly myself. Of course it's helpful that the boyfriend is a retired marine and a Certified Flight Instructor.

417 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:00:02am

re: #409 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I got in just a few minutes ago, and noticed that an anal orifice bought it upstairs.

Just curious, was it actually posting "moby" stuff?

He was pretty much just being a jackass.

418 jaunte  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #412 filetandrelease

Mohammed never did that 'render unto Caesar' thing.
Well, actually he did, but he played both parts.

419 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:00:46am
420 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:00:51am

re: #406 Kosh's Shadow

Reminds me that there is a Jewish motorcycle club. One chapter is called "Hillel's Angels"

pretty funny

421 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:00:52am

re: #412 filetandrelease

Tequila I am familar with

If Muslims were required to practice Tequila, we'd have a lot fewer problems in the world.

422 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:00:54am

re: #332 notutopia
Ah yeah, but the odds of your surviving a car crash are incredibly higher than those of your surviving a plane crash.
And every time I hear reports about certain types of planes being grounded due to possible structural defects, well....................!

423 SurferDoc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:01:09am

re: #330 buzzsawmonkey

We got moles on the rolls
They often post as trolls
They spam online polls
They are really assh*les.

We could eat their souls...

424 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:01:19am

re: #365 Occasional Reader

Sounds like LaGuardia, which I am reliably informed is nicknamed by commercial pilots as "the aircraft carrier". Reagan National is a little like that, too.

Reagan is worse because security flight restrictions make planes turn to avoid the White House. Can be fatal in adverse weather. Yes I would joke with pilots about LGA being a carrier that couldn't turn.

425 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:01:19am

re: #411 mich-again

I have landed there and thought the same thing. But taking off from St. Thomas is no picnic either. You have to get altitude quick to clear the mountain at the end of the runway. The plane only carries enough fuel to hop over to St. Croix for a fill-up.

Well, crap!
I didn't know all of that, and am so glad that trip is behind me now!

426 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:01:43am

re: #404 notutopia

You're so on target. The Mohammedans were not really concerned about their "safety" here. They know the media will light the fire on the issue of discrimination and racial profiling when they make that call to CAIR.
If they were concerned about where the safest seat on the plane really is, they would have pulled that info up on the web, and viewed their flights assigned
jet info with seating arrangements and requested assigned seating before they got on that plane.
This stinks of a setup with CAIR just waiting in the wings for the call.

This is all about making it easier for Muslims to get past security. You cant blow up a plane while Muslim if you cant get on the plane.

427 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:01:49am

re: #405 ThinkRight

During the primaries

That interview I remember. He was stumping for votes.
He's recently become "more pragmatic".
/when I hear that phrase, "less idiotic" is what gets translated.

428 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:01:50am

re: #414 goddessoftheclassroom

This not really a rejoinder, but I thought you'd like it...

MWAH!

LOL!
Pooooooorrrrr little kitteh!

429 midwestgak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:01:56am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

{gak}
Good to see you too!
btw - check your e-mail.
Game about to begin!

I'll check it out tonight.

430 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:02:02am

Mas Tequila!

431 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:02:10am

re: #376 doriangrey

They also never intended to allow the rights of US citizens to be the tool of a quasi religious/political movement that subjugated the US to that religion.

This is true.

432 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:02:55am

re: #385 ThinkRight

And again
Hussein Obama said CAIR was going to help him craft legislation
/we are so screwed

Oh, no. Really? Which legislation?

433 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:03:05am

re: #416 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It's a control issue thing. Also, when I was a kid I saw this happen:
http://www.pontchartrain.net/templates/System/deta ils.asp?id=40334&PID=495475

It took me a while to fly again after that, and I would never fly in bad weather. Then 9/11 happened and I decided that I'd rather fly myself. Of course it's helpful that the boyfriend is a retired marine and a Certified Flight Instructor.

OMG, you saw that crash?
I had a dream about an airplane crash the night before this happened.

434 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #416 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Also, when I was a kid I saw this happen:

Yeah, that would get your attention, I guess.

and I would never fly in bad weather

I once declined to board a heavily-delayed flight in Charlotte NC when I could see there were powerful thunderstorms rolling in. Took a hotel voucher instead.

435 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:03:41am

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Your text to link...

436 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:03:47am

re: #416 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It's a control issue thing. Also, when I was a kid I saw this happen:
http://www.pontchartrain.net/templates/System/deta ils.asp?id=40334&PID=495475

It took me a while to fly again after that, and I would never fly in bad weather. Then 9/11 happened and I decided that I'd rather fly myself. Of course it's helpful that the boyfriend is a retired marine and a Certified Flight Instructor.

This crash occurred 5 miles from my childhood home.
Our whole house shook when this jet crashed.
For weeks..months...years...later, I would listen to hear the wheels screeching on every jet that approached the tarmat on a landing jet..to make sure it was down safely.

437 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:03:50am

The father of son murdered by Hamas puts things in perspective.

About 10 months ago, after our 16-year-old son was murdered in a terror attack along with seven of his friends, TV screens worldwide showed festive images from Gaza that included dances, the handing out of sweets, and gleeful shots fired in the air – alongside the terrible images of the blood-soaked library at the Mercaz Harav yeshiva in Jerusalem.

I won’t deny the fact that the current images from Gaza elegantly circumvent my humanistic instinct and make their way to a satisfying sense of the most primitive desire for revenge. Yet my sense of justice has also been satisfied. Moreover, anyone living in this country knows that soon we shall again see the images of the blood of innocent Jews, and again Gaza residents will be celebrating it.

Read da whole thing.

438 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:03:58am

re: #417 gclaghorn

Thanks.

439 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:04:30am

re: #433 reine.de.tout

OMG, you saw that crash?
I had a dream about an airplane crash the night before this happened.

Yep, saw it happen. I used to live on Compromise Street, which was close to the crash site.

440 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:04:56am

re: #409 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I got in just a few minutes ago, and noticed that an anal orifice bought it upstairs.

Just curious, was it actually posting "moby" stuff?

That was my perception.

441 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:05:16am

re: #432 MandyManners

Oh, no. Really? Which legislation?


I will try and find the video of him at a CAIR event

442 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:05:29am

re: #438 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks.

You're welcome!

443 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:05:55am

re: #353 Jewels (AKA Julian) Excellent comment.

444 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:06:09am

re: #426 doriangrey

This is all about making it easier for Muslims to get past security. You cant blow up a plane while Muslim if you cant get on the plane.

Yeah well, this is definitely contradictory to making it easier to get through security to get on the plane.
In fact, it will make it more difficult and time consumptive for all of us to get through security now.

445 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:06:16am

re: #436 notutopia

This crash occurred 5 miles from my childhood home.
Our whole house shook when this jet crashed.
For weeks..months...years...later, I would listen to hear the wheels screeching on every jet that approached the tarmat on a landing jet..to make sure it was down safely.

When we were little, and since my parents wern't well off, we'd go to A&W for floats then we'd go watch the planes land at Moisant.

446 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:06:17am
447 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:06:41am

re: #435 ThinkRight

300 Beers to Try Before You Die
"Before I Die" lists are a fairly common thing — some of us want to travel to space, others to climb Everest — but there's nothing wrong with a more attainable list. 300 Beers to Try Before You Die ($17) offers a pre-made listing of the world's best beers in a fully-illustrated format that will have you expanding your knowledge of suds well before it's too late, leaving time for more ambitious goals.
Your text to link...

How's the book selling Roger?

448 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:06:54am

re: #419 buzzsawmonkey

It's another taqiyya sunrise...

(Ushering in Friday drinking thread)

I'll never forget that Muslima author's luminous account of growing up in a small Southern Lebanon town in the 1930s: Taqiyaa Mockingbird.

449 LieSeeker  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:06:58am

Is this CAIR in DC doing this, although their corporation is revoked?

450 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:07:24am

re: #419 buzzsawmonkey

It's another taqiyya sunrise...

(Ushering in Friday drinking thread)

* * *
Buzz, sometimes I forget to thank you for your endless good humor & talents.

451 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:07:28am

re: #364 MandyManners
Yup.

452 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:07:40am
453 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:07:45am

re: #449 LieSeeker

Is this CAIR in DC doing this, although their corporation is revoked?

What do you mean?

454 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:07:45am

re: #448 Occasional Reader

I'll never forget that Muslima author's luminous account of growing up in a small Southern Lebanon town in the 1930s: Taqiyaa Mockingbird.


Then there's the "reality" show...Tilla Taqiyya ...

455 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:07:46am

re: #440 MandyManners

Thanks.

Haven't had enough experience here to readily grasp the difference between troll and moby (though I've read the LGF Dic.) Just curious.

456 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:07:55am

re: #446 Iron Fist

Unless that's what you want to do. I'm pretty well convinced that the "Six Imams" were deliberately trying to provoke what happened to them. These guys, I really don't know.

Agreed on both counts. The imams were a setup. Awaiting more info on this case.

457 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:08:23am

Snakes on a Plane II.

458 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:08:26am

re: #445 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

When we were little, and since my parents wern't well off, we'd go to A&W for floats then we'd go watch the planes land at Moisant.

Frost Top for us. I lived 4 blocks off the NE runway on
Florida Ave.

459 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:08:30am

re: #446 Iron Fist

I'm pretty used to getting extra attention from Security. That's been happening to me since I was a kid. If you aren't doing anything wrong, then you just let it pass. It's not worth making a stink about it.

Unless that's what you want to do. I'm pretty well convinced that the "Six Imams" were deliberately trying to provoke what happened to them. These guys, I really don't know.

But with all the Mohammedan terrorism in the world today, I can't see making a big deal about being asked some questions, unless making the big deal is what you want to do.

Excellent point.

460 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:08:35am
461 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:08:41am

re: #432 MandyManners

Oh, no. Really? Which legislation?

Any legislation that will help his "power base".
I remember clips showing him pandering during the primaries.
It was close to the time he pandered to Jewish groups in New York in the morning, and said completely opposite things to another group (same subject) to another group in a southern state (IIRC) the same afternoon.

Bottom line is BO is basically a bottom-feeding politician, and in his particular case there's no way to tell what he'll do until it's past time to do it.

... Military is wary of him, also. All that says is watch your back with Obama -- I don't see any core values.

462 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:08:47am

re: #431 MandyManners

This is true.

So what it the solution? You know that the Muslims are not going to stop trying to subjugate America to Islam. They are no more going to stop then the Palestinians are going to stop trying to destroy Israel. Why must we embrace those that are trying to subjugate us and are willing to kill us to accomplish that goal? How can we hold fire to our breasts and not get burnt? Unlike most Americans, Muslims think in the long term, they plan for centuries, not hours ahead.

Today they do not have the numbers to achieve critical mass where they can engage in the kinds of violent actions that we see in places like France, but they are planning for the day when they can. Why must we wait for or accept that eventual outcome?

463 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:08:52am

re: #458 notutopia

Frost Top for us. I lived 4 blocks off the NE runway on
Florida Ave.


I miss Frost Top!

464 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:09:02am

re: #447 Walter L. Newton

How's the book selling Roger?


Just a fan of beer
I am not Roger

465 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:09:10am

re: #442 gclaghorn

See my #455.
Looking for data, ... not "chasing fire engines".

466 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #421 Occasional Reader

If Muslims were required to practice Tequila, we'd have a lot fewer problems in the world.

* * *
As if our Tequila powered open southern border wasn't a problem!

OR, porque no te callas!

467 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:09:51am

re: #463 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I miss Frost Top!

We've got one open in BR! downtown - gov't st.

468 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:10:27am

re: #467 reine.de.tout

We've got one open in BR! downtown - gov't st.


OMG! Really? I'd consider a drive from Houston to B.R for a Frost Top float!

469 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:10:27am

I have no problem sitting next to an Irish citizen on an airline, a Muslim, no thanks.

470 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:10:31am

re: #367 Shanimal1918
Yeah and with a by-line "TEHRAN".

When the hell is Israel gonna get some boots and tracs on the ground? What the hell are they waiting for; time is on the pubic opinion side of the "Palestinians".

471 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:10:53am

re: #446 Iron Fist

I'm pretty used to getting extra attention from Security. That's been happening to me since I was a kid. If you aren't doing anything wrong, then you just let it pass. It's not worth making a stink about it.

Unless that's what you want to do. I'm pretty well convinced that the "Six Imams" were deliberately trying to provoke what happened to them. These guys, I really don't know.

But with all the Mohammedan terrorism in the world today, I can't see making a big deal about being asked some questions, unless making the big deal is what you want to do.

Looks like they wanted this to me...

472 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:10:54am

re: #457 mich-again

Snakes on a Plane II.

The flying imams case was of course dubbed Sheiks on a Plane by an LGF wag.

473 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:10:56am
474 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:11:21am

re: #455 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks.

Haven't had enough experience here to readily grasp the difference between troll and moby (though I've read the LGF Dic.) Just curious.

A troll enters and starts baiting people, calling us idiots and reading out talking points from Democratic Underground.
A moby enters and tries to make us look like ignorant bigots by saying "kill them all" and b"here is a vast communist conspiracy etc."

475 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:11:34am

re: #329 realwest

I don't know any such thing. I wasn't there. The Air Marshals were and the crew was and the airline booted 'em off the plane.
Barring further evidence, I'd still hold off on blaming either the airline or the TSA.
And of course there are contra-indicators as to this entire incident being made up.
So I would definitely hold off judging the Airline and the TSA at all right now.

Good point - had this been a very simple misunderstanding with no basis whatsoever for concern the air marshalls would not have notified the police in the airport and would have talked to the pilot with everyone going on their merry way. You have to act like a real asshole for the pilot to order you off. The article mentions an "escalation" so I think it is fair to speculate that our "religious conference travelers" saw fit to protest when they were asked about their comments by the crew.

476 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:11:45am

re: #448 Occasional Reader

I'll never forget that Muslima author's luminous account of growing up in a small Southern Lebanon town in the 1930s: Taqiyaa Mockingbird.

Seems I heard of another one -- something like --- "Streetcar Named 72 Virgins"

/I could be wrong, but it kinda fits

477 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:11:47am

re: #370 Occasional Reader
Oh I dunno O.R. - somehow if I'm driving somewhere with someone else - even someone I know is a skilled driver, I'm always more comfortable if I'm the one doing the driving.

478 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:12:16am

re: #462 doriangrey

So what it the solution? You know that the Muslims are not going to stop trying to subjugate America to Islam. They are no more going to stop then the Palestinians are going to stop trying to destroy Israel. Why must we embrace those that are trying to subjugate us and are willing to kill us to accomplish that goal? How can we hold fire to our breasts and not get burnt? Unlike most Americans, Muslims think in the long term, they plan for centuries, not hours ahead.

Today they do not have the numbers to achieve critical mass where they can engage in the kinds of violent actions that we see in places like France, but they are planning for the day when they can. Why must we wait for or accept that eventual outcome?

We're not French. We are Americans. Big difference.

479 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:12:31am

Some bile from Laila al Arian:

[Link: www.thenation.com...]

480 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:12:54am

re: #469 vagabond trader

I have no problem sitting next to an Irish citizen on an airline, a Muslim, no thanks.

What if you don't know?

481 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:13:07am
482 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:13:12am

re: #465 pre-Boomer Marine brat

See my #455.
Looking for data, ... not "chasing fire engines".

Lifeofthemind has it in #474.

483 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:13:13am

Not sure if this is the right oneYour text to link...

484 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:13:13am

re: #379 rawmuse
That's cause you didn't complain to CAIR!

485 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:13:23am

re: #462 doriangrey

So what it the solution?

Ridicule. Its an effective way to deal with idiots.

486 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:13:36am

re: #480 MandyManners

What if you don't know?

Billy Mays will sell you a "Test-o-Matic"

487 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:13:47am

re: #478 MandyManners

We're not French. We are Americans. Big difference.

We'll see exactly what the difference is when the American Muslim population reaches 10%. Right now it's less than 1%

488 whiterasta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:14:00am

I wonder what "Religious Conference" they were going to?

Be interesting to find out.

489 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:14:04am

re: #467 reine.de.tout

We've got one open in BR! downtown - gov't st.

Oh reine....can you hard freeze a root beer float for me and ship it overnight...
I have a pix of me at 4 y/o sitting on a mechanical horse in front of the Frost Top that was near the Lakeside Mall.
I have the rootbeer foam mustache still on my lips!

490 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:14:32am

re: #419 buzzsawmonkey

It's another taqiyya sunrise...

(Ushering in Friday drinking thread)

Hava Taqiyya..... for schizophrenic middle easterners...

491 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:14:40am

re: #488 whiterasta

I wonder what "Religious Conference" they were going to?

Be interesting to find out.

Weren't the flying imams going to a religious conference?

492 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:14:47am

re: #475 karmic_inquisitor

Good point - had this been a very simple misunderstanding with no basis whatsoever for concern the air marshalls would not have notified the police in the airport and would have talked to the pilot with everyone going on their merry way. You have to act like a real asshole for the pilot to order you off. The article mentions an "escalation" so I think it is fair to speculate that our "religious conference travelers" saw fit to protest when they were asked about their comments by the crew.

Yep.
It's all about being on good behavior.
I am sure if it was a simple misunderstanding, corrected in the right way, they would have probably been allowed to fly.
The fact that airtran refused to serve them on other flights tells me that they developed an attitude problem.

Good for Airtran!

493 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:14:57am

re: #486 lifeofthemind

Billy Mays will sell you a "Test-o-Matic"

GET THAT VOICE OUTTA' MY HEAD.

494 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:01am

re: #383 MandyManners
"Nowadays they might would refuse her boarding pass."
There, fixed that for you. And no joke, either. Airlines have gotten "tougher" in a lot of ways since 9/11.

495 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:01am

re: #477 realwest

Oh I dunno O.R. - somehow if I'm driving somewhere with someone else - even someone I know is a skilled driver, I'm always more comfortable if I'm the one doing the driving.

Well, if they ask me to fly the 777, I think I'll defer to the Captain!

496 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:07am

re: #488 whiterasta

I wonder what "Religious Conference" they were going to?

Me too. The CAIR press release omitted that detail and simply said they were on a family vacation. Which tells me they don't want anyone to know about the conference.

497 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:07am

re: #485 mich-again

Ridicule. Its an effective way to deal with idiots.

Muslims kill those who ridicule them which is why the MSM and our politicians utterly refuse to ridicule them.

498 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:14am

OT (sort of)

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

And Mark Styne (sp) on Rush saying over 1000 car burned in Paris area over New Years. I haven't seen a report on that yet.

499 Shug  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:14am

re: #491 karmic_inquisitor

returning from one

500 Darwin Akbar  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:15am

Let's hope CAIR institutes a Muslim boycott of AirTran. That will make two airlines - AirTran and US Air - that will become safe.

As Ann Coulter once said, if only we could get CAIR to boycott all US airlines, the rest of us would be able to take some mouthwash on a plane again and would not have to walk barefoot through an airport.

Go, AirTran!

501 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:19am

re: #487 doriangrey

We'll see exactly what the difference is when the American Muslim population reaches 10%. Right now it's less than 1%

Who says it will reach 10 per cent?

502 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:15:47am

re: #463 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I miss Frost Top!

I miss the simple childhood memories from living in
New Orleans... It was a great melting pot of so many
nationalities and cultures.

503 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:16:02am

re: #474 lifeofthemind

A troll enters and starts baiting people, calling us idiots and reading out talking points from Democratic Underground.
A moby enters and tries to make us look like ignorant bigots by saying "kill them all" and b"here is a vast communist conspiracy etc."

Yeah, from the Dictionary, I can visualize that scenario. I guess I've never seen a Blue Ribbon Moby in action.

/but I've saved a bit on groceries because of the trolls

504 midwestgak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:16:03am

re: #445 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

When we were little, and since my parents wern't well off, we'd go to A&W for floats then we'd go watch the planes land at Moisant.

We had a nearby A&W drive-in. I was five when my family first went. Those glass mugs were huge in my wee hands. Was kinda messy. Didn't have cup holders in those days. Root beer sure is sticky.

505 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:16:07am
"We are a generation of settlers," said the general to the silent audience, "and if deprived of the steel helmet and the cannon barrel we will not be able to plant a tree or build a house." Then Dayan proceeded to discuss the enemy: "Let's not refrain from seeing the hatred that inflames and fills the lives of hundreds of thousands of Arabs around us. Let us not turn our eyes - lest our hand weaken. This is the destiny of our generation and the choice of our life - to be ready and armed, strong and tough."

Moshe Dayan at the funeral of Ro'i Rotenberg, who was murdered and mutlilated by Arabs.

506 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:16:21am

re: #472 Occasional Reader

The flying imams case was of course dubbed Sheiks on a Plane by an LGF wag.

* * *
The Flying Burrito Brothers also came to mind.
(There are donkeys in the M.E. remember.)

507 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #377 Occasional Reader

If I saw Muslim-garbed passengers conversing about their fear of flying, I'd shrug that off, too.


Really? Discussing where would be the safest place to sit and you'd shrug that off. You're a braver less paranoid man than I am.

508 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:16:55am

re: #500 Darwin Akbar

Let's hope CAIR institutes a Muslim boycott of AirTran. That will make two airlines - AirTran and US Air - that will become safe.

As Ann Coulter once said, if only we could get CAIR to boycott all US airlines, the rest of us would be able to take some mouthwash on a plane again and would not have to walk barefoot through an airport.

Go, AirTran!

LOL! She also said, of an airline that denied profiling passengers: "why? That sounds like a good marketing plan to me. WE PROFILE ALL MUSLIMS."

509 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:17:48am

re: #498 Walter L. Newton

OT (sort of)

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

And Mark Styne (sp) on Rush saying over 1000 car burned in Paris area over New Years. I haven't seen a report on that yet.

Waiting for Bloomberg to import experts on reducing car congestion to New York.

510 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:17:49am

re: #498 Walter L. Newton

OT (sort of)

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

And Mark Styne (sp) on Rush saying over 1000 car burned in Paris area over New Years. I haven't seen a report on that yet.

Obviously the only way to save the big three car makers in this country is to get our "youths" drunk and stoned, and then encourage them to set everybody's car on fire.
It's a religious injustice thing, you see ...

511 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:17:51am
512 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:17:56am

re: #507 realwest

Really? Discussing where would be the safest place to sit and you'd shrug that off. You're a braver less paranoid man than I am.

Again, I really doubt that Mohammad Atta and his pals had a brisk conversation about "where is the safest place to sit?". It just wasn't on their minds.

513 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:18:13am

re: #398 jwb7605

Recently, or was that a campaign lie (I hope)?


I'd say you're chances are pretty good.

514 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:18:14am

OT:
How did AP get this photo (currently photo on JPost)? And what would have happened if the jihadis pictured were bombed?

515 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:18:31am

re: #502 notutopia

I miss the simple childhood memories from living in
New Orleans... It was a great melting pot of so many
nationalities and cultures.

there is no other town in the US quite like it...I dig NO and cant wait to go back again...

516 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:19:22am

From the story ...

Members of the party, all but one of them U.S.-born citizens who were headed to a religious retreat in Florida, were subsequently cleared for travel by FBI agents who characterized the incident as a misunderstanding, an airport official said. But the passengers said AirTran refused to rebook them, and they had to pay for seats on another carrier secured with help from the FBI.

So it was a retreat and not a conference. My bad.

517 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:19:30am

re: #403 mich-again
Great catch, Mich.
Sure would like to know more about that "religious retreat" or if there even was one.

518 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:19:39am

re: #501 MandyManners

Who says it will reach 10 per cent?

Who is doing anything to stop it from happening. Nobody, that's who. Islam is the fastest growing religious/political force in America. Since we are doing nothing to stop it and the practitioners of Islam are working very hard to make it happen the result is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Dont like it? Opp's so sad to bad....

519 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:19:39am

OT - I see Charles has some Neato-torpedo advertisers at the top. One of them is for Lasik eye surgery. It's great that Charles is collecting advertisers and I've had the Lasik procedure and think it's great......but what do the girls in bikinis have to do with it?

520 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #493 MandyManners

GET THAT VOICE OUTTA' MY HEAD.

* * *
He's the voice of capitalism with a lower case "c". And he's a Republican who said he would have helped "sell" McCain's candidacy. What's not to like? Use your mute button if you can't stand it in the bazaar!

521 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:20:09am

re: #407 Jewels (AKA Julian) From your lips to God's ears.

522 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:20:26am

re: #499 Shug

thanks.

523 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:20:30am

re: #514 lawhawk

OT:
How did AP get this photo (currently photo on JPost)? And what would have happened if the jihadis pictured were bombed?

pink mist?

524 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:20:39am

re: #519 DeafDog

OT - I see Charles has some Neato-torpedo advertisers at the top. One of them is for Lasik eye surgery. It's great that Charles is collecting advertisers and I've had the Lasik procedure and think it's great......but what do the girls in bikinis have to do with it?

If you have to ask, your surgery didn't work out.

525 whiterasta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:21:26am

re: #519 DeafDog

You can see the girls better with Lasic eye surgery!

526 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:21:32am

re: #498 Walter L. Newton

OT (sort of)

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Caption to the photo: "Israeli soldiers ready to deploy on the border with Gaza"

Look at the mud. Unless that was taken a few days ago, I don't think so. Not quite yet.

527 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:21:38am

re: #514 lawhawk

OT:
How did AP get this photo (currently photo on JPost)? And what would have happened if the jihadis pictured were bombed?

Embedded with Hamas?

528 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:21:54am

re: #498 Walter L. Newton

OT (sort of)

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Not sure it is a good idea for the IDF to go in. They then can't leave without Hamas declaring a victory like Hizbo did in Lebanon.

529 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:22:02am
530 vxbush  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:22:06am

Pre-boomer and Goddess:

Something a little different....

531 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:22:10am

re: #516 karmic_inquisitor

From the story ...


So it was a retreat and not a conference. My bad.

Same thing?

532 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:22:58am

re: #518 doriangrey

Who is doing anything to stop it from happening. Nobody, that's who. Islam is the fastest growing religious/political force in America. Since we are doing nothing to stop it and the practitioners of Islam are working very hard to make it happen the result is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Dont like it? Opp's so sad to bad....

I thought Wicca was the fastest growing religion here.

No need to get snippy.

533 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:23:01am

Good for AirTrans. As a former flight attendant for a major airline, I can tell you that no matter what the PC police try to inflict on them, the airlines will not back down in their insistence on caution re this matter. They may give lip service to the press, but management will always back their flight crew when the crew feels there is reason not to carry a passenger or group. CAIR can suck wind.

534 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:23:04am

re: #530 vxbush

Pre-boomer and Goddess:

Something a little different....

Isn't that a GREAT story! What a day-brightener!

535 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:23:37am

re: #520 alegrias

* * *
He's the voice of capitalism with a lower case "c". And he's a Republican who said he would have helped "sell" McCain's candidacy. What's not to like? Use your mute button if you can't stand it in the bazaar!

He and CBBHO ensure that my MUTE reflexes are in top shape.

536 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:23:50am

re: #217 EmmmieG

Have you ever talked about bombs on an airplane? I haven't.

I've talked about security on a plane before. But I would never use the word bomb for obvious reasons - and neither did the muslim passengers in this case according to the two reports I've seen.

What is the source of this claim?

537 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:23:57am

1,147 Cars Burned - A "celebration" record.

So the French media track car burning records in two categories : Celebratory and Protest.

538 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:24:12am

re: #532 MandyManners

I thought Wicca was the fastest growing religion here.

No need to get snippy.

Sorry Mandy, it just gall's the hell out of me that our rights are being used against us to destroy us from within.

539 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:24:17am

re: #518 doriangrey

Who is doing anything to stop it from happening. Nobody, that's who. Islam is the fastest growing religious/political force in America. Since we are doing nothing to stop it and the practitioners of Islam are working very hard to make it happen the result is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Dont like it? Opp's so sad to bad....

Linky please?

540 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:24:18am

If you have to fly anywhere, please give your travel dollars to Air Tran. Air Tran's got more CHUTZPAH than CAIR.

541 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:24:39am

re: #529 Iron Fist

They were apparently real dicks, though.

I'd say "dicks" doesn't even begin to cover it...

542 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:24:54am

re: #446 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - yes, you've hit the nail on the head.
Hell I was taken down the ramp in a wheelchair, forced to get out and stand up while being frisked and I don't look at all dangerous.
Sometimes you just have to put up with some inconvenienc; it's when folks of a particular group make a big deal out of it that I get concerned.

543 Elcid  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:24:56am

re: #532 MandyManners

Who or whom could possibly get snippy with you? :)

544 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:02am

re: #540 alegrias

If you have to fly anywhere, please give your travel dollars to Air Tran. Air Tran's got more CHUTZPAH than CAIR.

I admire everyone who stands up to bullies.

545 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:12am
546 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:15am

re: #538 doriangrey

Sorry Mandy, it just gall's the hell out of me that our rights are being used against us to destroy us from within.

It doesn't thrill me, either but, we can fight back legally.

547 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:15am

re: #528 karmic_inquisitor

Not sure it is a good idea for the IDF to go in. They then can't leave without Hamas declaring a victory like Hizbo did in Lebanon.

if the idea is to kill freedom fighters there is no other way...if there is no Hamas there is no phony declarations

548 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:25am

re: #531 MandyManners

Same thing?

They had kids with them, so the retreat could have been like an "encounter" retreat held by most any church. That is how I am reading it for now.

549 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:42am

re: #537 karmic_inquisitor

1,147 Cars Burned - A "celebration" record.

So the French media track car burning records in two categories : Celebratory and Protest.


Celebratory and Protest=Jihad
same thing different day

550 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:44am

re: #530 vxbush

Pre-boomer and Goddess:

Something a little different....

THANK YOU!
/always looking for ammunition

551 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:47am

re: #529 Iron Fist

Weird. If he'd been headed north instead of south he could have been on their flight with them.

Another way to think of it; if he'd given them a good, hospital-visit-inducing beatdown for being dicks in the hotel hall, the whole thing might have never happened. Makes ya think.

552 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:48am

Taking The Kid to the park. bbl

SCHOOL STARTS MONDAY.

553 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:25:53am

re: #8 doriangrey

Sorry folks, Flying while Muslim should be illegal.

Are you going to call Muhammed Ali and tell him!?!?!?!

554 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:26:16am

re: #515 albusteve

there is no other town in the US quite like it...I dig NO and cant wait to go back again...

I agree. I've traveled alot and spent time periods in Boston, SF, Chicago, and NYC, but Old New Orleans is
still my fav. The people, food like no where else, sportswoman's paradise, Jazz...
What else could I ask for?

555 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:26:28am

re: #535 MandyManners

He and CBBHO ensure that my MUTE reflexes are in top shape.

* * *
In Billy May's case, I hope you agree he's doing an honest day's work selling Tchotchkes in the best capitalist tradition.

Billy May's isn't planning to take your wallet.

556 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:26:40am

re: #532 MandyManners

I thought Wicca was the fastest growing religion here.

No need to get snippy.

We must deport all Wiccans NOW!
/

557 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:27:13am

re: #550 pre-Boomer Marine brat

THANK YOU!
/always looking for ammunition

I may have to take stronger action...

558 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:27:16am

re: #556 Occasional Reader

We must deport all Wiccans NOW!
/

Couldn't they just fly out on their own broomsticks? Much cheaper for the tax payer.

559 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:27:25am
560 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:27:28am

re: #540 alegrias

Kudos to AirTran, but all the airlines are going to react the same way. Half of the time these incidents don't get reported, but in almost every case the response is the same: off the plane, people. Sorry, but we don't take chances and we don't care if you were joking.

561 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:27:37am

Later.

562 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:27:57am

re: #537 karmic_inquisitor

1,147 Cars Burned - A "celebration" record.

So the French media track car burning records in two categories : Celebratory and Protest.

Well, reading the article, it appears that it wasn't just Paris, once again, all over the country. Maybe it's become an annual country wide festival, like the countrywide music festivals in June?

And all over that article, YOUTHS. And in Italy and Germany too!

I wonder if the London bookies were giving book on this?

563 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:27:57am

re: #558 Creeping Eruption

Couldn't they just fly out on their own broomsticks? Much cheaper for the tax payer.

They're now under the auspicies of Michelle Obama !

564 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:28:10am

re: #545 taxfreekiller

Voices in your head are not all bad as long as the do harmony.

* * *
TFK, you do the counter-rhythm here! Happy New Year, Sir.

565 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:28:17am

re: #530 vxbush

Pre-boomer and Goddess:

Something a little different....

So precious and unique.
Orion...

566 whiterasta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:28:43am

What's this BS about the Israelis phoning the terrorists in Gaza and telling them to leave the house?.

PC gone nuts.

567 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:29:10am

re: #480 MandyManners

True enough.Fortunately my flying days are over so my comment is moot.

A little aside; the first time I flew was 1972, just after the Munich Olympics massacre. We flew home out of London and even back then a turbaned sheik with his entourage caused security to back up for hours.Muslims have had many years to figure out what is acceptable conversation whilst at an airport or on an airliner.

568 alexknyc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:29:18am

re: #29 Spiny Norman

The Media talking heads.

Yes, right up until it's their plane he's on.

569 RoyalCanadian  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:29:22am

Before you dump on the muslims think of all the good things they have done for the world lately. Okay, go ahead and dump.

570 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:29:23am

re: #554 notutopia

A tad more elevation.
:)
I lived in Nola for four years, and it is unique. Sure has changed a lot, though. The Quarter is just no fun anymore.

571 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:29:47am

re: #548 karmic_inquisitor

They had kids with them, so the retreat could have been like an "encounter" retreat held by most any church. That is how I am reading it for now.

Why is it that the phrase "encounter retreat" gives me a different mental image when I'm connecting it with Muslims?

Because I'm biased. No apologies.

572 alexknyc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:30:04am

re: #34 gclaghorn

Everyone working in the CNN newsroom?

Until it's their plane.

573 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:30:21am

re: #524 Walter L. Newton

If you have to ask, your surgery didn't work out.


Ha! Touche

574 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:30:40am

re: #548 karmic_inquisitor

In Central FL?
More like a Jihadi-with-Jr mini-retreat.

575 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:30:56am

OT:
Another top Hamas is humus.

576 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:31:03am

re: #566 whiterasta

What's this BS about the Israelis phoning the terrorists in Gaza and telling them to leave the house?.

PC gone nuts.

* * *
It's just a courtesy call.

577 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:31:19am

re: #418 jaunte

He was really big on the render part.

578 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:31:33am
579 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:31:39am

re: #555 alegrias

* * *
In Billy May's case, I hope you agree he's doing an honest day's work selling Tchotchkes in the best capitalist tradition.

Billy May's isn't planning to take your wallet.

I like Billy myself...if he's annoying then you're watching way to much TV...this is how we do it in America and always have...

580 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:31:52am

re: #562 Walter L. Newton

Well, reading the article, it appears that it wasn't just Paris, once again, all over the country. Maybe it's become an annual country wide festival, like the countrywide music festivals in June?

And all over that article, YOUTHS. And in Italy and Germany too!

I wonder if the London bookies were giving book on this?

Gotta love the statistics in the article - one aspect of car burning up 60%, another down 15%.

As if there were something of value to be gleaned from it.

581 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:31:54am

re: #557 goddessoftheclassroom

I may have to take stronger action...

LOL!
An up-ding for apropos

582 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:31:56am

I just got a call from the RNC asking me for $300 to renew my membership and to help fight the liberal agenda.

I explained that that wasn't in my budget right now.

583 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:31:56am

re: #528 karmic_inquisitor

Not sure it is a good idea for the IDF to go in. They then can't leave without Hamas declaring a victory like Hizbo did in Lebanon.

That is assuming there will be a Hamas when they leave. God willing, there will not.

584 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:32:17am

re: #576 alegrias

Pretty damned considerate imho. They did it during the Lebanon fustercluck also.

585 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:32:35am

re: #575 lawhawk

OT:
Another top Hamas is humus.

At first I thought you wrote hummus and was really grossed out!

586 Gearhead  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:32:45am

Wonder if the 'retreat' keynote was by Dr. Sami.

587 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:33:04am

re: #566 whiterasta

re: #576 alegrias

* * *
It's just a courtesy call.

"Hello, Achmed? Yes, this is Myron from the IDF. could you please look out your window to the east in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, ,,,,,,,,,, ummm,,, Achmed !?!?! The line seems to have gone dead !"

588 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:33:05am

Hopefully Israelis will consider that since March 2003, Iraq did not sponsor or subsidize a single suicide bombing.

Since granting conditional amnesty to hundreds of wanted Tamzim and AAMB thugs, the West Bank has been quieter than it has been for 15 years. This proves that aggressive counter-terror policy can work and that Fatah, when it wants to keep truce, can.

The same cannot be said for Hamas and, as a ground operation looks more and more likely, there is the hope that the people of southern Israel and Gaza will one day soon be able to walk the streets of their neighborhoods safely.

Hamas promised war, Hamas is war, Hamas started this war, escalated this war and will die by the sword as they so richly deserve.

589 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:33:11am

re: #502 notutopia

I miss the simple childhood memories from living in
New Orleans... It was a great melting pot of so many
nationalities and cultures.

That's what my mom always said - she grew up there on Delachaise St (house gone now) right across from Touro.

We visited often when I was a kid growing up (1950's and 1960's). I miss it, too -

590 mich-again  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:33:11am

Wait till they find out that the big mouse in Orlando is not the same mouse that teaches Palestinian kids to hate Jews and Christians.

591 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:33:17am

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

Linky please?

Fastest-Growing Religion Often Misunderstood
By Barr Seitz, of ABCNEWS.com

Muslims in America: The Nation’s Fastest Growing Religion

Islam - World's Fastest Growing Religion

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..."
HILLARY RODMAN CLINTON, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3


Already more than a billion-people strong, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion. ABCNEWS,
Abcnews.com


"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." NEWSDAY, March 7, 1989, p.4


"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1


Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." USA TODAY, The populationreferance bureau, Feb. 17,
1989, p.4A


"Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities. " Encyclopedia Britannica


"There are more Muslims in North America then Jews Now." Dan Rathers, CBSNEWS


"Islam is the fastest growing religion in North America." TIMES MAGAZINE


"Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995


"The religion of Islam is growing faster than any other religion in the world." MIKE WALLACE, 60
MINUTES


"Five to 6 million strong, Muslims in America already outnumber Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Mormons,
and they are more numerous than Quakers, Unitarians, Seventh-day Adventists, Mennonites, Jehovah's
Witnesses, and Christian Scientists, combined. Many demographers say Islam has overtaken Judaism as the
country's second-most commonly practiced religion; others say it is in the passing lane." JOHAN BLANK,
USNEWS (7/20/98)


"In fact, religion experts say Islam is the second-largest religion in the United States... Islam has 5 million to 6
million members, followed by Judaism, with approximately 4.5 million..... And Islam is believed to be
fastest-growing religion in the country, with half its expansion coming from new immigrants and the other half
from conversions." By ELSA C. ARNETT
Knight-Ridder News Service

592 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:33:59am

re: #580 karmic_inquisitor

Gotta love the statistics in the article - one aspect of car burning up 60%, another down 15%.

As if there were something of value to be gleaned from it.

Yea, I know. And I think they were using the lack of work again as an excuse. Le Monde would probably be cheering them on?

593 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:34:01am

re: #582 goddessoftheclassroom

I just got a call from the RNC asking me for $300 to renew my membership and to help fight the liberal agenda.

I explained that that wasn't in my budget right now.

* * *
Darn! Billy Mays ought to make those calls for them. You're doing your part here, an in-kind contribution if you will.

594 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:34:36am

Oh, one of them was a doctor-I gather the article did that to show us how silly it was to suspect these people. Uh, anyone remember the Glasgow bombers?

595 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:34:38am

re: #570 tradewind

A tad more elevation.
:)
I lived in Nola for four years, and it is unique. Sure has changed a lot, though. The Quarter is just no fun anymore.

I grew up in the quarters. We moved to the burbs in my early teens. My grandfather owned an oyster bar on Decatur St.
It was a so very special city. I hope they can retain some of that uniqueness when they recruit new people into the city.

596 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:34:43am

re: #585 goddessoftheclassroom

You could toss any leftover hummus into the compost for humus....so it fits...

597 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:34:48am

re: #588 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

As a counterargument, I'd point out that some Fatah are agitating to join Hamas and attack Israel.

598 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:34:55am

re: #528 karmic_inquisitor
I have to disagree - the bombings - effective as some of them were, clearly were not enough to take out Hamas. It may be that nothing will "take out" Hamas, given the support it apparently has with the "Palestinian" people in Gaza, but I think they need to go in, destroy as much of Hama's warmaking abilities (including killing as many of Hamas' fighters, destroying misssiles - especially the newer ones that can reach Dimora - because otherwise, Israel will look weak to the Muslim world.
And all that they really respect - and fear - is POWER

599 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:35:27am
600 bosforus  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:35:28am
Wow, the jets are right next to my window

In my view, does not constitute:

people got on and made comments they shouldn't have made on the airplane

Because that's not really a security related comment. If a terrorist has gone through the trouble of getting a bomb onto a plane he/she would a) already know where the engine is and b) not be stupid enough to talk out loud about it
If it were me who overheard the comment I wouldn't have reported anything. Just my two cents.

601 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:35:29am

re: #582 goddessoftheclassroom

I just got a call from the RNC asking me for $300 to renew my membership and to help fight the liberal agenda.

I explained that that wasn't in my budget right now.

Funny, I gave them money back in August for John McCain to do that very thing.

I'll do it when John does.....

602 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:35:39am

re: #562 Walter L. Newton

Well, reading the article, it appears that it wasn't just Paris, once again, all over the country. Maybe it's become an annual country wide festival, like the countrywide music festivals in June?

And all over that article, YOUTHS. And in Italy and Germany too!

I wonder if the London bookies were giving book on this?

I have an idea: we have the French bail out our auto manufacturers. We have them replace the burnt cars with new ones from Detroit. And since American cars are better than French cars, they'll be better off.

Although we might need to add a faster reverse gear.

603 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:35:59am

re: #582 goddessoftheclassroom

I just got a call from the RNC asking me for $300 to renew my membership and to help fight the liberal agenda.

I explained that that wasn't in my budget right now.

I get those calls all the time. Too bad the Republicans haven't figured out yet that they lost because that is their only message.

604 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:36:01am

The Islamic community, more than any other, must assure the rest of us they don't mean any harm. they must deal with it, or find another way to travel.

We have yet to see a major denunciation from the Islamic community for the radicals within their religion.

605 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:36:03am

re: #570 tradewind

A tad more elevation.
:)
I lived in Nola for four years, and it is unique. Sure has changed a lot, though. The Quarter is just no fun anymore.

it can change and I think it will eventually...Times Square did...the important thing is that the Quarter survived again and you cant drown a good party...the spirit lives on and thats good enough for me

606 Gearhead  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:36:25am

re: #580 karmic_inquisitor

Gotta love the statistics in the article - one aspect of car burning up 60%, another down 15%.

As if there were something of value to be gleaned from it.

The bane of jihadis everywhere - project management.

Behold the mighty whiteboard of doom.

607 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:36:32am

ot: Mark Steyn guest hosting for Rush.

608 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:36:38am

re: #591 doriangrey

Dorian. You may have been off doing your research to answer Walter, but I took issue with your #8 in my #553.

Sorry, I usually like your posts, but 8 was excessive IMHO

609 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:36:46am

re: #594 madisonsfriend

Oh, one of them was a doctor-I gather the article did that to show us how silly it was to suspect these people. Uh, anyone remember the Glasgow bombers?

* * *
Yes, the odd case of Glaswegian doctors going all splodey dope at the Glasgow airport!

Sherlock Holmes would have written about this curious mystery.

610 midwestgak  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:37:25am

re: #591 doriangrey

Could you be a little more specific?// :)

611 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:37:30am

re: #601 Bloodnok

Funny, I gave them money back in August for John McCain to do that very thing.

I'll do it when John does.....

I'm going to remember that line and use it the next time they call me.
I haven't been registered Republican for 25 years, either, but they still call me.

612 avanti  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:37:35am

re: #475 karmic_inquisitor

Good point - had this been a very simple misunderstanding with no basis whatsoever for concern the air marshalls would not have notified the police in the airport and would have talked to the pilot with everyone going on their merry way. You have to act like a real asshole for the pilot to order you off. The article mentions an "escalation" so I think it is fair to speculate that our "religious conference travelers" saw fit to protest when they were asked about their comments by the crew.

I agree. I suspect a passenger saw a group of folks in Muslim garb and paid more attention to a ill thought out comment and reacted differently then if they looked "normal". It's a bit of unconscious racism based on a stereotype of all Muslims being scary. It's no different the then crossing the street when you see a half dozen black teenagers approaching.
I once had a nice lady called out for moving her purse away from near a black customer in my store' Both he and she were guilty of over reacting. She did admit to me later that she did in fact move it almost automatically out of fear.
While I have no love for either Muslim or black thugs, I do feel bad for the majority of the good ones. At least were not locking up all the Muslim's like we did in the sorry example of Japanese American citizens in WW II.

613 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:37:38am

re: #595 notutopia

Across the lake or Metairie?
Just saying that when I get back to New Orleans now, it saddens me to see how dirty and pan-handler-infested the area, and outside... around the Cafe du Monde... has become.
I haven't been into the city since Katrina, though.... so I wonder how that's changed things.
The food. Damn, I do miss the food. Even the little Mom and Pop places were so much better than almost anywhere else.

614 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:37:39am

re: #602 Kosh's Shadow

It says "1,147 cars burned- a sad record"

615 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:37:58am

Hamas head Haniyeh has been making a televised address for the last 25 minutes.

Does anybody have a link? CNN says they are still working on the translation, but it seems to be more of the same "allah willing, we will be victorious, allah is on our side, etc. etc."

616 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:37:58am

re: #575 lawhawk

OT:
Another top Hamas is humus.

At the end of the article: "(Rayyan's) one surviving son ... said he was not expecting the air force to be targeting his father."

*blink*
*scratch head*
Who (or what) th' f*** IS this kid, anyway?

617 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:38:16am

re: #608 sattv4u2

Dorian. You may have been off doing your research to answer Walter, but I took issue with your #8 in my #553.

Sorry, I usually like your posts, but 8 was excessive IMHO

Please remember to remind me of that in another 10 years or so, when America looks like Lebanon.

618 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:38:28am

re: #608 sattv4u2

Dorian. You may have been off doing your research to answer Walter, but I took issue with your #8 in my #553.

Sorry, I usually like your posts, but 8 was excessive IMHO

re: #608 sattv4u2

Dorian. You may have been off doing your research to answer Walter, but I took issue with your #8 in my #553.

Sorry, I usually like your posts, but 8 was excessive IMHO

I won't even address Dorian's number 8. It is bigoted and not worth a discussion, as far as I'm concerned. There are some folks at VB that would love to talk to him.

619 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:38:37am

re: #548 karmic_inquisitor
Yeah, but I didn't see anything from CAIR that said anything about a religious retreat or anything else.

620 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:38:40am

re: #601 Bloodnok

Me too. I didn't think twice before sending it to the round file.
What a letdown.

621 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:38:55am

re: #615 Joo-LiZ
I wouldn't trust the CNN translation. Find an Israeli translation.

622 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:39:04am

re: #601 Bloodnok

Funny, I gave them money back in August for John McCain to do that very thing.

I'll do it when John does.....

* * *
Thanks for supporting the country first candidate. You rock.

Unfortunately, the Global Citizen First candidate got 3X the funds.

623 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:40:02am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

It's a possibility. I suspect there's more to the story and as we say with the flying Imams case the Islamists like to be intentionally provocative in airports. We'll see what develops.

One has to ask - are they doing it as research? Pushing boundaries to see what those boundaries are and how well they are enforced.

624 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #560 tradewind
"all the airlines are going to react the same way."
I sure hope you're right about that.

625 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:40:08am

re: #528 karmic_inquisitor

Not sure it is a good idea for the IDF to go in. They then can't leave without Hamas declaring a victory like Hizbo did in Lebanon.

Let 'em declare victory from the gates of Hell.
The Islamofascist Terror Entity in Gaza must die in sufficient numbers so that they cannot fire the missiles, and so that Fatah can stage a successful coup.
Once the IDF goes in they will have to stay long enough to complete the cull and to oversee the coup.
Anything short of removal of Hamas from power will turn out to be a failure in the long run.

626 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:40:30am

BBL--take care.

627 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #617 doriangrey

Please remember to remind me of that in another 10 years or so, when America looks like Lebanon.

At the rate the illegals enter America (NOTE ,,, mostly from South of the Border ,,,, i.e. predominantly LATINO,,,, i.e. predominantly CHRISTIAN) taint gonna happen !

628 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:40:52am

re: #566 whiterasta
Where'd you hear that?!?

629 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:40:55am

Only on CNN would the newscaster be leading the flying story with the idea that the Muslim family will be boycotting AirTran from now on.......
LMAO.

630 whiterasta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:41:21am

re: #616 pre-Boomer Marine brat

His father and mother were brother and sister, obviously.

He seems to be suffering from terminal cretinism.

631 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:41:22am

re: #603 unreconstructed rebel

I get those calls all the time. Too bad the Republicans haven't figured out yet that they lost because that is their only message.

* * *
Did you miss the news that Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) is going to filibuster Al-Franken's attempted seating in Congress? Just Say No is a good message against thuggish vote cheating.

How's that for a message against cheatin' comic hearts?

632 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:42:04am

re: #575 lawhawk
Yay! Thanks for the post and link!

633 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:42:06am

re: #621 madisonsfriend

I wouldn't trust the CNN translation. Find an Israeli translation.

Yeah, thats what I was doing... I had only just heard of it on CNN... asking if anyone had more info.

634 whiterasta  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:42:22am

re: #628 realwest

Jpost.com

635 tradewind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:42:40am

re: #624 realwest

Take it to the bank.
You can't count on much these days, but from the head shed to the flight crew, no one gets the benefit of the doubt but the people who fly the planes. They just do not trust anyone anymore.

636 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:43:03am

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

I won't even address Dorian's number 8. It is bigoted and not worth a discussion, as far as I'm concerned. There are some folks at VB that would love to talk to him.

Wow.... I cant begin to find the words to express my shock or dismay at that Walter. I am not a racist or a bigot, I am not blind either. Islam is a deadly infection, deadly infection do not go away on their own. They don't disappear just because you ignore them.

637 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:43:03am

re: #588 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Another great comment! Thanks.

638 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:43:31am
639 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:43:31am

re: #613 tradewind

Across the lake or Metairie?
Just saying that when I get back to New Orleans now, it saddens me to see how dirty and pan-handler-infested the area, and outside... around the Cafe du Monde... has become.
I haven't been into the city since Katrina, though.... so I wonder how that's changed things.
The food. Damn, I do miss the food. Even the little Mom and Pop places were so much better than almost anywhere else.

Moved in my teens to East Jefferson Parish. I went during Katrina as a part of a volunteer Medical Recovery Team from Duke Univ. here in NC. I cried for hours after I first saw with my own eyes what had happened to my hometown and to my old home.
The spirit is still there. It will be better than before.

640 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #636 doriangrey

Wow.... I cant begin to find the words to express my shock or dismay at that Walter. I am not a racist or a bigot, I am not blind either. Islam is a deadly infection, deadly infection do not go away on their own. They don't disappear just because you ignore them.

Sorry Dorian, when you lump a whole group of people into the same bucket, YOU have a problem, not me.

641 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:44:18am

re: #611 jwb7605

I'm going to remember that line and use it the next time they call me.
I haven't been registered Republican for 25 years, either, but they still call me.

* * *
Sitting back and feeling sorry for ourselves is not a great message going forward.

There are feisty folks trying to stem the red tide you know. Do they have to waste time & energy trying to drag sorry sadsacks into action?

642 realwest  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:45:02am

Well y'all I gotta go eat some lunch. Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

643 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:45:44am
644 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:45:50am

re: #600 bosforus

Because that's not really a security related comment. If a terrorist has gone through the trouble of getting a bomb onto a plane he/she would a) already know where the engine is and b) not be stupid enough to talk out loud about it
If it were me who overheard the comment I wouldn't have reported anything. Just my two cents.

Also, taking the entire family on the plane with you isn't an established M.O. for suicide bombers.

645 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:45:57am

re: #636 doriangrey

Wow.... I cant begin to find the words to express my shock or dismay at that Walter. I am not a racist or a bigot, I am not blind either. Islam is a deadly infection, deadly infection do not go away on their own. They don't disappear just because you ignore them.

You personally know NO Muslims? Nobody you know practices Islam? If you do, what do you say to them? I'm curios only because my circle of friends includes many from faiths not of mine (Roman Catholic) including both Mulsims and Jews, and they interact with each other in our group regularly

646 Rancher  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:46:25am

re: #628 realwest

Where'd you hear that?!?

Hardline Hamas leader killed in air strike on Gaza home

Hamas radio reported Rayan had received a phone message from the Israeli armed forces saying they were going to blow up his house but he refused to leave.
647 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:46:37am

re: #640 Walter L. Newton

Sorry Dorian, when you lump a whole group of people into the same bucket, YOU have a problem, not me.

So Muslims are not a threat? Well damn Walter, I am soooo glad you explained that to me... I feel sooo much better....

648 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:46:40am

re: #532 MandyManners

I thought Wicca was the fastest growing religion here.

Could well be. If more than two decades of the whole "heterosexual AIDS epidemic" scam have taught us anything, it's how easy it is to generate bullshit Alarming Growth Rate! statistics without technically lying.

649 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:46:43am

re: #638 ploome hineni

I do not know where you live, but in the Southwest a lot of hispanics will speak only Spanish when they shop

(speak Engish IF THEY MUST) to get a job

but walk into stores and only want to seak Spanish

WTF does that have to do with their Christian roots allowing Sharia to take over ?

650 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:46:47am
651 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:46:56am

re: #631 alegrias

* * *
Did you miss the news that Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) is going to filibuster Al-Franken's attempted seating in Congress? Just Say No is a good message against thuggish vote cheating.

How's that for a message against cheatin' comic hearts?

I did miss that bit. How does that work? Does each seating require a vote of acceptance against which one could then filibuster?

I have nothing against using parliamentary procedure to get ones way. That's legislature in action. My comment refers to what the hell are Republicans for? PJ O'Rourke gets it right - Republicans are all about how big government is unworkable & when elected prove it.

652 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:47:10am

re: #642 realwest

Well y'all I gotta go eat some lunch. Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!


* * *
Happy New Year RealWest Sir!

653 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:47:18am
654 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:47:43am

re: #638 ploome hineni

I do not know where you live, but in the Southwest a lot of hispanics will speak only Spanish when they shop

(speak Engish IF THEY MUST) to get a job

but walk into stores and only want to seak Spanish

When I was growing up in Boston and went to the stores with my Grandmother she and the clerks only spoke ITALIAN!

655 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:47:52am

re: #630 whiterasta

His father and mother were brother and sister, obviously.

He seems to be suffering from terminal cretinism.

He's a "Cretinist"?
(-:

656 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:48:29am

re: #647 doriangrey

So Muslims are not a threat? Well damn Walter, I am soooo glad you explained that to me... I feel sooo much better....

The point is , is EVERY Muslim a threat. Your #8 lumped each and every one together

657 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #631 alegrias

* * *
Did you miss the news that Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) is going to filibuster Al-Franken's attempted seating in Congress? Just Say No is a good message against thuggish vote cheating.

How's that for a message against cheatin' comic hearts?

I say go Sen. Cornyn!

658 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:49:25am

re: #653 ploome hineni

follow your muslim friends to their mosque

I have. I have also gone to Temple, services at LDS, Southern Baptist, as well as most protestant denominations

659 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:49:27am

re: #597 lawhawk

And they have done nothing of note! Why? Because their politics require them to side with the street but their actions speak of a tacit agreement with Israel. Smaller lower level leaders seeking to advance themselves as military heroes may scream a little louder but the PA leadership, given circumstances, have been utterly docile.

Think of what Arafat would have done and look at Abbas's inaction. Arafat would have escalated and propagandized like mad. Not happening now and it is so brazenly obvious the Sunni Arab world leaders are giving Israel a big "yasher ko'ach" (Hebrew for may you have strength) on pounding Iran's proxy to dust.

Assuming the tanks move in soon, Hamas will be done as a political and terror force for years to come. Israel's security situation would be enormously improved in a hundred dimensions.

Please, G-d, let Ehud Olmert not chicken out for five more days......

660 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #657 notutopia

I thought they were still counting the votes

661 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:50:02am
662 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:50:07am

re: #651 unreconstructed rebel

I did miss that bit. How does that work? Does each seating require a vote of acceptance against which one could then filibuster?

I have nothing against using parliamentary procedure to get ones way. That's legislature in action. My comment refers to what the hell are Republicans for? PJ O'Rourke gets it right - Republicans are all about how big government is unworkable & when elected prove it.

* * *
Read how it works here

[Link: thehill.com...]

Making gross generalizations about ALL Republicans is ignorant in my humble opinion.

663 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:50:25am

re: #656 sattv4u2

The point is , is EVERY Muslim a threat. Your #8 lumped each and every one together

He knows what he did, and he knows what I am talking about. He's a bigot if he insists in lumping every Muslim into the same bucket as being a threat.

And Ploome, well, she is simply a racist.

664 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:51:00am
665 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:51:19am

re: #436 notutopia

This crash occurred 5 miles from my childhood home.
Our whole house shook when this jet crashed.
For weeks..months...years...later, I would listen to hear the wheels screeching on every jet that approached the tarmat on a landing jet..to make sure it was down safely.

I remember when that happened. Wind shear.

666 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:51:19am

Later lizards...errands are awaiting to be run....

667 dahozho  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:51:20am

re: #352 Shug
Last Sept I flew with (then) 6 mos. old son. He actually did great, and nursed at all the right times, so no ear problems. The people in my rows had no problems with discrete nursing, even though son will not allow a blanket over his head...

Now that he's walking and even more active, flying? I'll really have to think about that during toddlerhood....

I'm sure Jr will do just fine!

668 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #653 ploome hineni

follow your muslim friends to their mosque

When should we deport Muhammed Ali?

669 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:51:52am

re: #357 goddessoftheclassroom

My Baby Lizard is very nervous about flying since 9/11. Two years ago we were going to London, and he told me how worried he was. I told reassured him about the security and then said, "If anyone stands up as though they're threatening, I'll take him out."

He relaxed at once, He knows I'd do it,. I learned a lot from wrestling a 6-year-older brother.

I had imagined you taking out his eye with a flying hunk of chalk.

670 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:52:20am

re: #502 notutopia

I miss the simple childhood memories from living in
New Orleans... It was a great melting pot of so many
nationalities and cultures.


And you could run around your neighborhood and not worry about getting snatched...you just had to be home when momma turned the porch light on!

Sno Balls! I miss Snow Balls, and MacKenzies pistolettes...

671 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:52:50am
672 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:53:04am

re: #670 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And you could run around your neighborhood and not worry about getting snatched...you just had to be home when momma turned the porch light on!

Sno Balls! I miss Snow Balls, and MacKenzies pistolettes...

Coconut Snow Balls! From Pandora's Box!

673 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:53:55am
674 arcatan  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:54:07am

re: #196 Li'l Mamzer

there - an editing suggestion - just a suggestion, thanks

OK ya l'il bastard - that works.

675 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:54:13am

re: #672 notutopia

Coconut Snow Balls! From Pandora's Box!

Chocolate snow balls from Droopys!

676 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:54:16am

re: #662 alegrias

* * *
Read how it works here

[Link: thehill.com...]

Making gross generalizations about ALL Republicans is ignorant in my humble opinion.

Ok. But let's put this is context. This particular conversation started over fundraiser calls. Every single one I get (& I get many because I actually do fund certain Republicans) is about how we have to stop the liberal agenda. Never, ever do I hear a positive message from a fund raiser call.

677 Rancher  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:54:23am

re: #644 Jimmah

Also, taking the entire family on the plane with you isn't an established M.O. for suicide bombers.

The problem the airline has is that they have to make a decision on how to act based on what they are told by witnesses that are reporting suspicious behavior. That info can be erroneous and even biased but the airline can't make that call. That was the FBI's job and they seemed to have done it well.

678 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:54:30am

re: #670 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And you could run around your neighborhood and not worry about getting snatched...you just had to be home when momma turned the porch light on!

Sno Balls! I miss Snow Balls, and MacKenzies pistolettes...

Drive thru Daquiri stands.

679 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:54:51am

re: #659 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

their actions speak of a tacit agreement with Israel

Bingo. The deal has been done.
For better or for worse, Israel has cast its lot with Abbas.
Of course, this also means a two state solution.
Also for better or for worse - this is Olmert's final play.

680 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:54:53am

re: #675 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Chocolate snow balls from Droopys!

Where did ya'll live?

681 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:55:14am

re: #678 redstateredneck

Drive thru Daquiri stands.

I think they still have those, but you have to keep the straw top covered with the wrapper. LOL.

682 lincolntf  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:55:20am

I have no beef with the airline. Once someone spoke up, they really had no options. Spoken aloud, it probably got into everybody's head. Who wants to be the one to say "You're exaggerating, what could possibly happen?".

I'll be curious to see if we ever get a consensus from witnesses over whether the comments were legitimately worrisome. The "sitting near the engines" phrase doesn't qualify at first blush.

683 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:55:25am
684 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:55:36am

re: #627 sattv4u2

At the rate the illegals enter America (NOTE ,,, mostly from South of the Border ,,,, i.e. predominantly LATINO,,,, i.e. predominantly CHRISTIAN) taint gonna happen !

There is a serious problem with Hezbollah operatives entering from Mexico and operating there. Northern Mexico is becoming a land without law next to America. With the economy shrinking this will become much worse.

685 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:55:40am

re: #673 ploome hineni

follow you friends to the mosque and see

you are a trip

a real moonbat wanna be..a;ready LLL programmed

I didn't see a date in your answer. Again, when should we deport him? He's Muslim, therefore he MUST be a threat to America! Date please !

686 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:55:55am

re: #658 sattv4u2

I have. I have also gone to Temple, services at LDS, Southern Baptist, as well as most protestant denominations

A little heads-up for you sattv, ploome believes that muslims/arabs are genetically subnormal. I wish I could link to the actual post where she stated it outright, but since it was deleted, I can't.

687 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:55:56am

re: #680 notutopia

Where did ya'll live?


I lived on Compromise Street for a while, then on Wade Drive off of W. Esplanade.

688 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:57:19am

re: #681 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I think they still have those, but you have to keep the straw top covered with the wrapper. LOL.

Wouldn't want any illegal drinkin' in New Orleans.

689 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:57:28am

re: #677 Rancher

I agree on that - I think it was a bad call from the passenger's point of view that's all.

690 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:57:34am

re: #686 Jimmah

A little heads-up for you sattv, ploome believes that muslims/arabs are genetically subnormal. I wish I could link to the actual post where she stated it outright, but since it was deleted, I can't.

As I already said, in much simpler terms, Ploome is a racist.

691 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:58:03am

re: #684 lifeofthemind

There is a serious problem with Hezbollah operatives entering from Mexico and operating there. Northern Mexico is becoming a land without law next to America. With the economy shrinking this will become much worse.

I was making a larger point. I know that Middle Easterners are entering from the south. But I don't think Arizona is in danger of becoming and Islamist state before it becomes a Hispanic/ Christian one!

692 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:58:04am
693 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:58:07am

re: #687 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I lived on Compromise Street for a while, then on Wade Drive off of W. Esplanade.

We were on Dauphine St. off W. Esplanade.
How did you end up in Texas?
I moved to Tx. in the late 70's, after I graduated from
Nicholls State, Thibodaux.

694 So?  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:58:18am

I wish we didn't have a CAIR in the world.

695 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:58:31am

re: #688 redstateredneck

Wouldn't want any illegal drinkin' in New Orleans.

Nawww, can't have that!

696 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:58:35am

re: #686 Jimmah

A little heads-up for you sattv, ploome believes that muslims/arabs are genetically subnormal. I wish I could link to the actual post where she stated it outright, but since it was deleted, I can't.

thank you. I weep for her then!

697 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:59:15am

re: #693 notutopia

We were on Dauphine St. off W. Esplanade.
How did you end up in Texas?
I moved to Tx. in the late 70's, after I graduated from
Nicholls State, Thibodaux.


My folks relocated her in the early 90's. I moved here in 98 after my Ex and I seperated.

698 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 11:59:35am

re: #692 ploome hineni

you throw in a red herring

whatever

a "red herring"!?!?!?

According to you, ALL Muslims are a danger

FACT,,,, MUHAMMED ALI IS MUSLIM

Therefore, Muhammed Ali MUST be a danger!

699 dahozho  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:00:08pm

re: #691 sattv4u2

Except that hispanics are converting is islam. I knew a couple back in 1990 when I was at the UA.

700 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #647 doriangrey

So Muslims are not a threat?

Some Muslims are a threat and some Muslims aren't a threat.

Moreover, the Muslims in the "threat" category represent qualitatively different kinds of threat: Some are active terrorist threats; some are not terrorist threats themselves but intentionally provide cover for terrorists; some do not intend to provide cover for terrorists but do so anyway by (for example) credulously supporting groups like CAIR; etc.

If you're going to ignore these distinctions and say that "Muslims" as an unqualified category represent an infection, while suggesting that anyone who actually insists on these distinctions must be totally blind to the danger of Islam, then fuck off and go play in your sandbox, loser. You're not making anything resembling an insightful or interesting point.

701 alegrias  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #676 unreconstructed rebel

Ok. But let's put this is context. This particular conversation started over fundraiser calls. Every single one I get (& I get many because I actually do fund certain Republicans) is about how we have to stop the liberal agenda. Never, ever do I hear a positive message from a fund raiser call.

* * *
Re unimaginative fundraising calls: Maybe they could use your creative ideas! "Billy Mays here..."

702 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:00:14pm

re: #656 sattv4u2

The point is , is EVERY Muslim a threat. Your #8 lumped each and every one together

How many individual E-bola viruses constitute a threat? I've already shown the documentation proving that Islam is the fastest growing religion in America. Pretend that your friend Mohammad isn't a threat if you want. But please do not pretend that Islam is not a threat.

If you accept that Islam is in fact a threat then tell me how do you counter that threat? All organizations are made up of individuals. It is utterly impossible to separate an organization from the individuals that comprise that organization. You cannot deal with an organization without dealing with the individuals that make up that organization. Pretending that you can is just another form of politically correct bullshit.

So either Islam and by extension every single individual Muslim is a threat, or it is not. Which is it?

703 alexknyc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:00:56pm

re: #291 strandedsf

You might want to consider not dressing like a terrorist if you don't want other passengers to think you are a terrorist.

Years ago, on a flight to London, I was seated in the same row as a Muslim in traditional garb. I kept an eye on him and was a bit concerned when he went to the back of the plane and started praying but, obviously, nothing came of it.

No reason to punish people or airlines for vigilance.

704 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:01:38pm

There are some very good Lizards here.
I'd hate to see someone get whacked.

With respect, folks, might we back off of this?

705 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:01:56pm

re: #699 dahozho

Except that hispanics are converting is islam. I knew a couple back in 1990 when I was at the UA.

"a couple" as opposed to MILLIONS that stay Christain (mostly Catholic). In the past 10 years Hispanic catholic churches have mushroomed. And if they don;'t have an actual building, most existing Catholic churches now have a seperate Hispanic service each week

706 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:02:38pm

re: #697 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

My folks relocated her in the early 90's. I moved here in 98 after my Ex and I seperated.

Same with my family. At least my mom. Texas was very good to my career, and I also found my husband there.
I still have some family there.
I have a bayhouse that was decimated by Ike and am still awaiting the insurance company's decisions. I can't wait to get back there for a few weeks this spring.

707 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:02:48pm

re: #702 doriangrey

As I said before, why don't you go over to VB?

708 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:03:13pm

re: #702 doriangrey

If you accept that Islam is in fact a threat then tell me how do you counter that threat? All organizations are made up of individuals. It is utterly impossible to separate an organization from the individuals that comprise that organization.

The same way we Catholics have finally started seperated the HANDFUL of bad priests from the church. You weed them out one by one

709 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:03:23pm
710 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:03:48pm

re: #704 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There are some very good Lizards here.
I'd hate to see someone get whacked.

With respect, folks, might we back off of this?

they will when they want...it's the way it is here

711 avanti  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:04:09pm

re: #650 buzzsawmonkey

"Unconsious racism?" Puh-leeze. Even Jesse Jackson, race hustler extraordinaire, admitted a few years ago that he was more nervous when seeing a group of black teenagers approaching him on the sidewalk than when he saw a group of white teenagers.

My point exactly, even Jesse was judging on skin color.

712 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:04:23pm
713 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:04:41pm

re: #709 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, come on. I mean, woven-cane furniture is nice, but a religion....?


They worship Cain, don't they?

714 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:04:45pm

re: #709 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, come on. I mean, woven-cane furniture is nice, but a religion....?

SSSHHH! It's a secret.
Don't go rattan on the industry!

715 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:05:17pm

re: #712 taxfreekiller

fe
fi
fo
fum
tfk
smells
a
rat

TFK pleez kill em.

716 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:05:20pm
717 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:05:33pm

re: #713 redstateredneck

They worship Cain, don't they?

they do if they're Able

718 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:05:41pm

re: #710 albusteve

they will when they want...it's the way it is here

Yeah, I know.
Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

719 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:05:57pm
720 dahozho  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:05:58pm

re: #644 Jimmah

Also, taking the entire family on the plane with you isn't an established M.O. for suicide bombers yet.

Fixed that. I've watched/read enough to see that this could be in the future for homicide bombing planning. Remember the Irish woman going to meet her muslim boyfriend's family when she was pregnant? Said boyfriend packed her suitcase, where security found a bomb. That was the origin of the annoying "did you pack your bag yourself" question of 10-15 years ago. Thing have become much high on the scale of bad craziness since.

721 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:06:03pm

re: #702 doriangrey

So either Islam and by extension every single individual Muslim is a threat, or it is not. Which is it?
I guess EVERY Catholic must be a child molester because some preists and laypeople are , huh !

722 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:06:30pm
723 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:06:33pm

re: #719 taxfreekiller

guilt has its way with rats

Then I hope it Howls.

724 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:06:41pm

re: #671 ploome hineni

god you are thick

lol

the Hispanics do that in "American" stores, not in the stores that cater to Hispanics

Ploome, are you complaining because you're a store employee and it's annoying when Hispanic customers expect you to serve them in Spanish, or what?

725 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:07:00pm
726 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:07:06pm
727 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:07:28pm

re: #706 notutopia

Same with my family. At least my mom. Texas was very good to my career, and I also found my husband there.
I still have some family there.
I have a bayhouse that was decimated by Ike and am still awaiting the insurance company's decisions. I can't wait to get back there for a few weeks this spring.

Texas has treated me well, also. Sorry about the house.

728 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:07:58pm
Youtube Video

/we don't need no water . . .

729 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:08:19pm

re: #721 sattv4u2

So either Islam and by extension every single individual Muslim is a threat, or it is not. Which is it?
I guess EVERY Catholic must be a child molester because some preists and laypeople are , huh !

Does Catholic theology teach molesting children? Does Islamic theology teach killing infidels?

730 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:08:30pm
731 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:09:10pm

re: #727 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Texas has treated me well, also. Sorry about the house.

Thanks. I'm still grieving over the loss of it. It was
IS my fishing camp. I'll rebuild. I plan on moving back in the next couple of years.

732 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #702 doriangrey

If you accept that Islam is in fact a threat then tell me how do you counter that threat?

You fight the threat of Islam and beat it back in the free marketplace of ideas.
At the same time, you fight the sharia-pushers and the violent ones in the Courts.
And at the same time, you fight the islamofascist terrorists with guns and deportation.
If you talk about deporting all Muslims then you have lost the war before you have even started to fight.

733 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:10:29pm

re: #726 Iron Fist

I don't personally know any Muslims. I worked with a few Bosnian refugees back in the early '90s. They were generally hard workers, but I didn't know any of them socially. What I've learned of Islam has mostly been watching Muslims interact with the world. I see nothing that is socially redeeming in what I see. Mohammedan "charity" is funneling money into terrorist organizations. Mohammedans of supposed "good will" scream Death to America! in the streets, and celebrate the actions of murderous suicides.

And those are the "moderate" Mohammedans. Radical Mohammedans cut off people's heads, and blow themselves up to kill children at birthday parties. With the approval of "moderate" Mohammedans.

Mohammedan religion is built on two pillars, not five. Those pillars are murder and suicide. The ones that don't do it are cheering on the ones who do. The only truly moderate voices are those of apostate former Mohammedans who have left the Religion of Peace™

I'm sure Walter will now extend to you an invitation to join VB, just as he has me...

734 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:11:03pm
735 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:11:07pm

re: #726 Iron Fist

With the approval of "moderate" Mohammedans.

Sorry, but NONE of my Muslim freinds (from Bosnia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, the Phillipines) approve!

(perhaps you should widen your circle of freinds!)

736 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:11:38pm

re: #730 ploome hineni

find a brain

hehehe ,,, It's so easy to tell when one wins!

737 notutopia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:11:38pm

BBL

738 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:11:58pm

re: #731 notutopia

Thanks. I'm still grieving over the loss of it. It was
IS my fishing camp. I'll rebuild. I plan on moving back in the next couple of years.


Fishin? Did you say fishin? I'm so there!

739 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:12:46pm

re: #732 Spare O'Lake

You fight the threat of Islam and beat it back in the free marketplace of ideas.
At the same time, you fight the sharia-pushers and the violent ones in the Courts.
And at the same time, you fight the islamofascist terrorists with guns and deportation.
If you talk about deporting all Muslims then you have lost the war before you have even started to fight.

I'm not suggesting we deport Muslims, I'm suggesting that the practice of Islam be made illegal in the United States. It is at it's heart a violent political movement designed to force itself on every person alive.

740 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:12:50pm

re: #726 Iron Fist

I remember (as a youth, long before current events became common) the passage in the Bible (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/But_to_bring_a_sword) about Christ saying he did not bring peace, but a sword.

I used to think that referred to things like both world wars, etc.
Lately, I'm beginning to wonder if Jesus was not, instead, referring to the next prophet.

741 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:13:27pm

re: #724 Throbert McGee

re: #734 ploome hineni

I am telling you that IN MY BUSINESS, HIspanics want to speak Spanish, pretending they do not know English,

until I tell them I do not speak Spanish,

and then they switch to English

So what your saying is that they are doing the EXACT same thing as my Italian Grandmother was doing back in the late 50's when I would go with her (more comfy in their native tongue)

I always knew she was ahead of her time !

742 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:13:48pm
743 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:14:51pm
744 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:15:01pm
745 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:15:17pm

I'll have to continue this at another time. Son and freinds are clamoring to go bowling and skating, and if I don;'t leave now they'll be too glued to X Box 360

746 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:15:27pm

re: #742 taxfreekiller

evil is
evil does
evil knows
only more

evil rules many
evil claims many
evil not challenged at the gate
is the evil

reason is not evil
obeying evil rejects all justice

islam has a base
islam has a core
islam has a cause
islam has a history
islam has its truth

what base
what core
what cause
what history
what truth

facts count up

Show caution TFK, Walter will be sending you off to VB with me and Iron Fist.

747 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:15:48pm

re: #736 sattv4u2

hehehe ,,, It's so easy to tell when one wins!

do you discount the value of understanding what people are trying to say and why?....so what have you won exactly?

748 Rancher  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:15:56pm

re: #689 Jimmah

I agree on that - I think it was a bad call from the passenger's point of view that's all.

I figured thats where you were coming from. Unfortunately we can't be suing individuals that report suspicious behavior even if their judgment is whacked. That would have a chilling effect. So all we can do is try not to say something dumb, especially if you look Middle-eastern.

749 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:17:42pm

re: #702 doriangrey

How many individual E-bola viruses constitute a threat? I've already shown the documentation proving that Islam is the fastest growing religion in America. Pretend that your friend Mohammad isn't a threat if you want. But please do not pretend that Islam is not a threat.

If you accept that Islam is in fact a threat then tell me how do you counter that threat? All organizations are made up of individuals. It is utterly impossible to separate an organization from the individuals that comprise that organization. You cannot deal with an organization without dealing with the individuals that make up that organization. Pretending that you can is just another form of politically correct bullshit.

So either Islam and by extension every single individual Muslim is a threat, or it is not. Which is it?

The disease imagery you use is pretty much straight out of Mein Kampf. Islam is a set of ideas. The way to fight bad ideas in your society or culture is with better ideas. America did not overcome racism by executing or deporting all the racists. Nazism was not overcome by killing all Germans. Similarly Islamism will not be eliminated in some fantasised and frankly fascistic act of 'cleansing'.

I have to say, you do sound like someone who sees his future at lgf2. You put up the same false dichotomies and suggest the same kind of 'solutions'.

750 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:17:46pm
751 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:17:51pm

re: #612 avanti

I suspect a passenger saw a group of folks in Muslim garb and paid more attention to a ill thought out comment and reacted differently then if they looked "normal". It's a bit of unconscious racism based on a stereotype of all Muslims being scary. It's no different the then crossing the street when you see a half dozen black teenagers approaching.

It's hard to say whether the airline overreacted, without more details. At this point, it seems likely that they did.

However, this is a very different situation than crossing the street to avoid black teenagers, as you put it. When you board an airplane you're going into an inherently dangerous situation that is a very well-known target of a certain type of terrorist.

I'd rather the airlines overreact on the side of safety myself, unless it's a case of blatant injustice. If a passenger reports hearing something disturbing, the airline has a responsibility to act the way they did.

752 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:19:25pm

re: #739 doriangrey

I'm suggesting that the practice of Islam be made illegal in the United States.

/damn son, you best get to work on repealing the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution then

753 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:19:29pm

re: #747 albusteve

do you discount the value of understanding what people are trying to say and why?....so what have you won exactly?

Typed from the one that thinks the Dallas Cowboys giving up an average of 30 points a game, rated the 22nd out of 32 most scored upon team is "Great Defense'

754 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:20:22pm

re: #750 ploome hineni

there is no minimun IQ requirement to post here

lol

obviously or I wouldn't be here!....jus sayin

755 doriangrey  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:20:23pm

re: #752 Killian Bundy

/damn son, you best get to work on repealing the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution then

No need, just classify Islam as a violent political movement.

756 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:20:59pm
757 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:21:17pm

re: #739 doriangrey

I'm not suggesting we deport Muslims, I'm suggesting that the practice of Islam be made illegal in the United States. It is at it's heart a violent political movement designed to force itself on every person alive.

I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I won't tolerate this kind of crap at LGF any more. I've explained my reasons enough; you know what they are and you know how I feel about this, but you insist on continuing with this stupid line of argument.

With that, I bid you adieu.

758 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:21:22pm

re: #755 doriangrey

No need, just classify Islam as a violent political movement.

/sorry, it doesn't work that way

759 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:21:25pm

re: #753 sattv4u2

Typed from the one that thinks the Dallas Cowboys giving up an average of 30 points a game, rated the 22nd out of 32 most scored upon team is "Great Defense'

I'm immune to your make believe....sorry

760 sounder  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:21:51pm

Everyone knows not to say certain things on a aircraft, everyone. No excuse for these people really. CAIR operatives at it again.

761 Rancher  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:22:01pm

The only problem the airline has to address is why they didn't allow the passengers back on after being cleared by the FBI. That may also have something to do with policy rather than judgment.

762 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #755 doriangrey

No need, just classify Islam as a violent political movement.

Bill Ayers.
Comment blocks only allow about four thousand words, so I'll just leave you with that thought.

763 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:22:34pm
764 Rancher  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #753 sattv4u2

Typed from the one that thinks the Dallas Cowboys giving up an average of 30 points a game, rated the 22nd out of 32 most scored upon team is "Great Defense'

Why you gotta bring the poor Cowboys into this?

765 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:22:47pm

re: #734 ploome hineni

I am telling you that IN MY BUSINESS, HIspanics want to speak Spanish, pretending they do not know English,

How Nature says "You're dealing with an asshole, lunatic, or moron; back away politely."

/with apologies to Gary Larson, and none to Ploome

766 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:25:06pm

re: #759 albusteve

I'm immune to your make believe....sorry

re: #759 albusteve

I'm immune to your make believe....sorry

Facts, son ,,, nothing but FACTS

Final regular season stats from the NFL

DALLAS ,,, gave up 22,8 points a game ,, ranked 20th out of 32

[Link: www.nfl.com...]

767 Rancher  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:25:19pm

re: #757 Charles

With that, I bid you adieu.

Another one bites the dust.

/John Deacon

768 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:25:38pm

re: #764 Rancher

Why you gotta bring the poor Cowboys into this?

sowwy ! LOL

769 alexknyc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:27:00pm

re: #542 realwest

Hey Bro' - yes, you've hit the nail on the head.
Hell I was taken down the ramp in a wheelchair, forced to get out and stand up while being frisked and I don't look at all dangerous.
Sometimes you just have to put up with some inconvenienc; it's when folks of a particular group make a big deal out of it that I get concerned.

I travel with a friend in a wheelchair. He was given a cavity search in Paris because he was being an ass.

770 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:28:06pm
771 hazzyday  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:29:22pm

King5.com is reporting this as racism. The family is being persecuted for some innocent remarks. However we only hear their side of it.

The fact that they report it as racism either means king5 is a really really stupid news station or they have bitten the far far left bullet and interpret any thing pro American as racism because of the power disparities. It would also mean they are anti Capitalism, pro Soros.

I believe in evolution, but somedays I think we need a revolution to get rid of this Politically Correct crap in the country. We should never educate kids in this manner and raise a generation of greens. Worst thing ever.

772 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:29:38pm

re: #638 ploome hineni

I do not know where you live, but in the Southwest a lot of hispanics will speak only Spanish when they shop

(speak Engish IF THEY MUST) to get a job

but walk into stores and only want to seak Spanish

re: #734 ploome hineni

I am telling you that IN MY BUSINESS, HIspanics want to speak Spanish, pretending they do not know English,

until I tell them I do not speak Spanish,

and then they switch to English

I am sure this happened to you. However, I have a retail outlet in a county that is over 60% Hispanic, and it does not happen to me.

773 alexknyc  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:32:13pm

re: #594 madisonsfriend

Oh, one of them was a doctor-I gather the article did that to show us how silly it was to suspect these people. Uh, anyone remember the Glasgow bombers?

Wasn't Ayman al-Zawahiri (Bin Laden's #2) a pediatrician in Cairo?

774 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:32:54pm

re: #766 sattv4u2

Facts, son ,,, nothing but FACTS

Final regular season stats from the NFL

DALLAS ,,, gave up 22,8 points a game ,, ranked 20th out of 32

[Link: www.nfl.com...]

we were having a friendly exchange about why I didnt think Phillips should be fired...I explained my point of view...show me where I claimed Dallas to be a "Great Defense"....your attack mode is really no fun and only serves a fragile ego...relax amigo...my posts about football are irrelevent here...it's not always about winning an argument unless you need it to be...I'll pass...

775 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:35:26pm

re: #771 hazzyday

So if I discuss the strengths and weaknesses of a bank's security while standing in the bank's lobby racist bank employees will harass me and perhaps call the police? It's all just harmless talk—it's not like I'm casing the place for a robbery or anything.

776 redbeard20  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:39:17pm

Sounds like the airline definitely should have let them back on a flight after they were cleared by the FBI. Judging by their comments to the press the family seem like sensible, proud Americans who at least deserve an apology.

777 opnion  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:39:45pm

re: #761 Rancher

The only problem the airline has to address is why they didn't allow the passengers back on after being cleared by the FBI. That may also have something to do with policy rather than judgment.


I thought the same thing. If the FBI has cleared them, then they should be allowed to board.
It is impossible to know yet if this is a set up provocation by CAIR or just passengers talking foolishly. I suspect that the passengers that reported their comments were not bigots , but had a real concern.
The Muslim passengers , like all passengers today have a duty to use care & not alarm the other passengers.
The hard truth is that 9/11 happened & the perps were not radical Lutherans. I would think that Muslims of good will would take extra care.

778 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:40:58pm

My last statement on the "make 'em illegal, round 'em up and deport 'em" nonsense was posted here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

779 hazzyday  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:41:43pm

re: #775 David IV of Georgia

So if I discuss the strengths and weaknesses of a bank's security while standing in the bank's lobby racist bank employees will harass me and perhaps call the police? It's all just harmless talk—it's not like I'm casing the place for a robbery or anything.

I don't understand the people who are throwing the term "racism" around. Or the ones that declare POE Obama to be an Arab by race? Somewhere sometime the school books I read diverged from what a lot of other people read. To me it's a cultural difference. To inject race into the problem is just to confuse issues and dilute what I consider to be real Racism.

When I am in the line at the bank or the the airline I know not to discuss bombs, and security and such. Common sense.

780 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:42:53pm

OT - Bill Maher's 'Religulous' movie is actually a lot better than some of the negative press I've read here recently. It's not going to be a hit with 'serious' christians, jews or mormons obviously, but only a moonbat would disagree with him on Islam, in fact some of the best scenes in the film are those exposing Islamist whackjobs and their enablers, including an Achmedinejad-supporting Naturei Karta spokesman. Definitely worth a watch.

781 albusteve  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:43:36pm

re: #779 hazzyday

I don't understand the people who are throwing the term "racism" around. Or the ones that declare POE Obama to be an Arab by race? Somewhere sometime the school books I read diverged from what a lot of other people read. To me it's a cultural difference. To inject race into the problem is just to confuse issues and dilute what I consider to be real Racism.

When I am in the line at the bank or the the airline I know not to discuss bombs, and security and such. Common sense.

common sense is a dying proposition...I think it started in the courts

782 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:46:01pm

re: #770 Iron Fist

Those who would have us just ignore that fact are giving the terrorists cover by their actions. I strongly suspect that your Mohammedan "friends" are doing the same.

This last sentence wasn't necessary, IronFist -- sattvfu2 didn't ask for your input on his friends' underlying motives -- and slightly spoiled what was otherwise a reasonable post.

783 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:46:32pm

re: #32 lawhawk

Was this the first time that those involved had been on a plane? Did they choose their seats prior to flight? What did they actually say, what was overheard, etc.?

All are important questions, but the flight crew has to be given leeway to ensure that the flight concludes safely.

The proper time to discuss the safety of seating arrangements is with the ticketing agent assigning seats. Otherwise, unless you are law enforcement, air crew, or see something gravely amiss, keep your mouth shut about safety/security arrangements. I worked briefly in a extreme security environment—it didn't matter if you looked like Dudley the lost English tourist we would have turned you over to the FBI or Treasury or other people I'm supposed to forget for such comments. Unfortunately the security across the street was not so good and two people died.

784 hazzyday  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:47:31pm

re: #777 opnion

I thought the same thing. If the FBI has cleared them, then they should be allowed to board.
It is impossible to know yet if this is a set up provocation by CAIR or just passengers talking foolishly. I suspect that the passengers that reported their comments were not bigots , but had a real concern.
The Muslim passengers , like all passengers today have a duty to use care & not alarm the other passengers.
The hard truth is that 9/11 happened & the perps were not radical Lutherans. I would think that Muslims of good will would take extra care.

I think one mistake we make in analysis of these situations is to judge them by our western standards and culture. In this case we should look at the person's culture and evaluate the threat from that standpoint first. I distrust Iranians as a rule because all my experiences with them in college involved lies and cheating. They saw no problem with it. A large percentage of them hated the US while they were students here. They based that from their religion. They would all be aching to get involved in a CAIR lawsuit like this from the status of being a victim. I think the FBI lacks some common sense also in these areas. They are too CAIR friendly. I would question their tactics anytime they get invloved with situations like this.

785 reggie  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:48:49pm

Saw two of the perps on CNN. One guy did all the talking, funny, funny stuff. The interview clip ends with him saying a civilian complained because he thought he was planning to blow up the plane. We all know he the complaint was no such allegation, but a request for TSA to investigate.

So, the mind reading Muslim gets to state unequivocally what the civilian is thinking. And he states it while criticizing the civilian for doing the same.

However, the civilian did not do that. Only the Muslim did what the Muslim is accusing the civilian of doing.

Kind of nice for CNN to be looping that interview every hour. Tough to have compassion for the idiot terrorist.

786 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:49:07pm

re: #244 lifeofthemind

Does anybody here think that it should be OK to go to a costume shop and get an SS uniform, used only by drunken British royals, before parading around Jewish neighborhoods? How about borrowing Robert Byrd's old Grand Imperial Kleegle robe from the KKK before strolling around Harlem discussing the mechanics of necktie parties? Then why should there be a license to display "traditional muslim garb and appearance" and discuss security in an airport or on an airplane?

If they said 'bomb' the airline acted appropriately, but other than that, I'm baffled by the analogy. These people were not dressed up as terrorists, they were wearing ordinary clothes. Wearing religiously determined clothes is not offensive.

787 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:50:41pm

re: #783 David IV of Georgia

or other people I'm supposed to forget

Working in the electronics industry, and having known people who ... uh ... would have had to kill you if they told you what they did ... I can well imagine.

/uh oh, I don't think I was supposed to

788 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:53:40pm

re: #787 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Working in the electronics industry, and having known people who ... uh ... would have had to kill you if they told you what they did ... I can well imagine.

/uh oh, I don't think I was supposed to

They couldn't kill me because they were never there.
/holograms?

789 grassrootsrally  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:53:59pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

I worked for AirTran in '07 and they are badly managed, aggressive sons of a bitches as a company and I would never fly on their planes, ever! I ran into my former assistant station manager before Thanksgiving (They do eat, it was at a grocery store.) and he told me they were about to go out of business. In some cities they are down from 8 flights/day to only one.

Air travel really sucks for everybody these days.

790 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:55:56pm

re: #788 David IV of Georgia

They couldn't kill me because they were never there.
/holograms?

*sticking fingers in ears*
*covering eyes*
*crawling under the desk*
*yanking power cord on computer*

791 hazzyday  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:56:51pm

Muslims in general.

ALL the Muslims I have met in the past 15 years have been extremely nice and thoughtful people. Much more so than the regular American I would think. The only group surpassing them I think would be the Japanese as a culture.

But I generally dislike Islam a lot more than I used to. As late as 1998 I had a great admiration for Islam and sufi's and Mosques. After 9-11, that respect dipped. And after all the anti Amercian protests on the Arab street and in Pakistan it dipped even further. And after all the dopey support of the Palestinians in Europe it dipped even further. Islam silently supports child death cults and the killing of non muslims.

I am pretty sure if I strongly side with Israel in discussions then the Muslims I know would start to seethe. Their seething would be based on illusionary hate propagated by their Iman. No Critical thought going on at all.

Islam (excepting Satanic cults) is about the worst form of religion I can imagine.

792 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:57:30pm

On not confronting the haters in one’s own ranks

793 so.cal.swede  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:58:07pm

re: #79 Ben Hur

I agree.

Terrorists aren't going to look overtly conspicuous.

Atta was clean shaven (a requirement before "martyrdom" operations) and wasn't wearing a kafiya.

Terrorists will try to look like you and me.

I don't buy it.

The monsters in pallyland have proven over and over that they are willing to do anything to kill the juice. Disabled, Women, you name it.

I don't think that we should paint ourselves into a corner by assuming that a terrorist will look a particular way.

794 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 12:58:33pm
795 hazzyday  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #786 SanFranciscoZionist

If they said 'bomb' the airline acted appropriately, but other than that, I'm baffled by the analogy. These people were not dressed up as terrorists, they were wearing ordinary clothes. Wearing religiously determined clothes is not offensive.

Student and history buff killed by police for being drunk and stupid while wearing a Nazi uniform. He lacked some gun safety knowledge. Probably should have been tasered if that was an option.

796 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:00:46pm
797 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:01:03pm

re: #788 David IV of Georgia

*grin* ... Worked contract in one place which did some (though not a lot) of DOD work. There was a door which had four locks on it. Asked a very-long-time friend, who ran the research lab there, what the door/room "was for". He looked me straight in the eye and said ... "What door."

There was no question mark in his voice.

798 grassrootsrally  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:11:15pm

re: #1 Erik The Red

"The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it."

Ayn Rand

799 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:13:26pm

re: #797 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin* ... Worked contract in one place which did some (though not a lot) of DOD work. There was a door which had four locks on it. Asked a very-long-time friend, who ran the research lab there, what the door/room "was for". He looked me straight in the eye and said ... "What door."

There was no question mark in his voice.

I had a friend who worked at a DOD job. He had to walk between hung up tarps to get to where he was working. He was told that he might never go home if he ever tried to look on the other side of those tarps. I think it turned out to be the B-2 bomber on the other side of the tarp while it was still a classified project.

SR-71 pilots used to train in a secret basement underneath a grocery store in upstate NY.

800 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:14:45pm

re: #797 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Worked contract in one place which did some (though not a lot) of DOD work. There was a door which had four locks on it. Asked a very-long-time friend, who ran the research lab there, what the door/room "was for". He looked me straight in the eye and said ... "What door."

Aha, so it must've been the Gay door!

/DADT

801 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:18:44pm

re: #794 ploome hineni

this happens every day in Los ANgeles

I grew up there. I'm sure it happens to somebody, somewhere, every day. Some get it more often. Go figure.

802 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:19:36pm

re: #799 David IV of Georgia

I had a friend who worked at a DOD job. He had to walk between hung up tarps to get to where he was working. He was told that he might never go home if he ever tried to look on the other side of those tarps. I think it turned out to be the B-2 bomber on the other side of the tarp while it was still a classified project.

SR-71 pilots used to train in a secret basement underneath a grocery store in upstate NY.

(re "four-locks-on-the-door" stuff) My friend DID eventually confide that the very existence of the entity for which the work was being done was ultra-classified. I quit asking questions at that point.

803 avanti  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:27:18pm

re: #751 Charles

It's hard to say whether the airline overreacted, without more details. At this point, it seems likely that they did.

However, this is a very different situation than crossing the street to avoid black teenagers, as you put it. When you board an airplane you're going into an inherently dangerous situation that is a very well-known target of a certain type of terrorist.

I'd rather the airlines overreact on the side of safety myself, unless it's a case of blatant injustice. If a passenger reports hearing something disturbing, the airline has a responsibility to act the way they did.


I don't think the airlines over reacted, just that the passenger might have reacted differently if the passengers were blue haired old ladies. They may have only noticed because of a well founded fear of those in Muslim attire. The airline sounds like they acted correctly given the passengers report. The Muslims also should have been more careful given the situation and being part of a group.

804 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:30:57pm

re: #16 Simple Voice

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar.

But it HAS happened to homosexuals!!! For reals!

An airline employee with the last name of Gay was flying on a company pass. Mr. Gay found that another man had taken his seat, and sat down elsewhere. Since the plane turned out to be overbooked, a ticket agent approached the man in Mr. Gay's assigned seat and asked "Are you Gay?" When the bewildered man nodded that he was gay, the agent said, "Well, get your things, you'll have to get off the flight."

The real Mr. Gay overheard and quickly interrupted, "I'm Gay." The agent told him he'd have to leave the plane at which another passenger, observing this whole scene, stood up and announced defiantly, "I'm gay, too."

"So am I!" shouted yet another passenger. "What are you gonna do, throw us ALL off?!"

(1000% TRUE STORY, via snopes.com)

805 Just Another Four-letter Word  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:32:12pm

re: #308 Jetpilot1101

True story. About 15 years ago or so, a jet actually landed at Cabanis Field (a navy OLF) instead of Corpus Christi International. I don't know what happened to the pilots but they were very surprised upon landing. The passengers were picked up in a bus.

The FAA has a tendency to pull the Pilot and co-Pilot's licenses in a case like this - they should KNOW where they are and where they should be. This kind of inattentiveness will get people killed in the right circumstances. They (the FAA) frown on incidents like these... and it takes a lot of re-training to get your license back, unless you have a good story to tell them or can prove failure in some system(s) or other.

JAFLW

806 marsl  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:35:30pm

re: #63 Kosh's Shadow

What about flying carpets?

Can a flying carpet be hijacked? And if so, can they be shot down? And can they crash against a building? Does NORAD tracks flying carpets?

807 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:47:04pm

re: #792 Jimmah

On not confronting the haters in one’s own ranks

From your link:

It’s the easiest thing in the world to stand on your side of the political barricade and shout “Muslim hater” or “Antisemite” at the other side. But to call out the people on your own side for expressing hate– that takes some real gumption.

Indeed.

808 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:07:22pm

re: #778 Charles

My last statement on the "make 'em illegal, round 'em up and deport 'em" nonsense was posted here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Charles, I feel obliged to say that Dorian did not propose deportation. I originally misunderstood his comments to be proposing that, but I think the record will show that he actually stopped short of that. My accusation was therefore unfounded.

If I understood Dorian's argument, it was that Islam is in substance not a religion but rather a violent political philosophy. And therefore that membership in Islam should be outlawed in the USA on the same basis as violent organizations like the Weathermen.

I think that argument is ridiculous. Islam has more than a billion adherents and is universally recognized as a religion. Islam certainly predated the US Constitution, and if I am not mistaken the founding fathers would have been quite familiar with the existence of Islam yet they did not exclude it from Constitutional protection. Also, there was a history of Moslems in America by 1791 when the 1st Amendment was passed. As such it is impossible to argue that Islam is not a religion within the meaning of the Constitution.

So with all its coercive and violent streaks, it is clear that Islam is a legally recognized and protected religion. Its violent teachings can and should be exposed and fought in the free marketplace of ideas. Violent actions advocated or perpetrated by its adherents can and should be prosecuted and punished under the applicable Criminal Statutes. And any terrorist activities can and should be dealt with under existing Criminal and Immigration laws.

809 mattm  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:09:11pm

When flying/at an airport don't talk about Security unless it is to report something to the proper Authorities.

810 funky chicken  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:04:03pm

re: #46 alegrias

VIVA Air Tran~!

Please fly with them.

Air Tran kindly offered free travel to families of Walter Reed wounded through a program called "Helping Our Heroes".

Air Tran are patriots deserving Lizard support.

Safety & country first.

just wanted to repeat it

811 Montaigne's Cat  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:10:17pm

Sometime in 2003 I was to pick up my neighbors at the airport. They didn't arrive because the were bounced from the flight. Here's why: their 9-year-old son, who was wearing a cowboy outfit, had a plastic gun in his carry-on. It was spotted by the x-ray, seized, and he was questioned. When he cried, additional interrogators were called in, the entire family was questioned, and the flight left without them. They were not released from questioning until after the flight arrived in my city, hence I was at the airport waiting for them. They never made a public issue of it because they are not whiners, victims, entitled, nor complainers.

812 funky chicken  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:15:19pm

re: #770 Iron Fist

What have they actually done to show that they don't approve? All you hear are Mohammedans complaining that they are being profiled. This incident is a classic example. Whether it was deliberate or not (I doubt that we can prove one way or another) these Mohammedans made their fellow passengers uncomfortable enough that they raised the issue with the flight crew. Who raised the question with the TSA. Who appear to have handled everything with professionalism.

Which made CAIR scream.

That pretty much proves my point all by itself. They aren't condeming the "tiny minority" of people who have "hijacked a great religion". They are complaining that people are noticing them when they are dressed like and act like the same people who have been murdering people all over the world in the name of that same religion.

All over the world. It's not just in Waziristan or Bumfuck Egypt. It's happening in Britain, in Spain, and, of course, in America. Those who would have us just ignore that fact are giving the terrorists cover by their actions. I strongly suspect that your Mohammedan "friends" are doing the same.

If they don't like being "profiled" they could start to police their own.

813 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:21:46pm
814 funky chicken  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:30:07pm

re: #537 karmic_inquisitor

1,147 Cars Burned - A "celebration" record.

So the French media track car burning records in two categories : Celebratory and Protest.

LOL

voitures brulees

almost sound like a dessert LOL

815 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:40:05pm

we are fighting islamic terrorism.
moslems should have the decency and consideration to conduct themselves like respectful travelers. just like anyone.
why would they talk loudly and in a provocative way.
drawing attention to themselves and then complaining.
should they get special treatment when they incite fear?
when they say the world "bomb" so other passengers can hear?
a pc. response from the authorities, in a case like this, is ridiculous.
it's potentially a life and death situation.
investigate, it could save hundreds of lives.
if the allegations are unfounded, then apologize.
we are living in a post 9-11 world.
we cannot forget that. ever.

816 kansas  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 6:42:28pm

Pretty obvious that the Muslims are probing for weaknesses again. Get ready.

817 docremulac  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:04:54pm

Why would anybody be afraid that Muslims might murder everybody on an airliner by destroying the plane?

818 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:19:25pm

I don't know about boarding a plane with beardie weirdies but I do know that I would most likely ask to see another doctor if the doctor I or any of my family members had to see was dressed like that. How can you practice modern medication when you dress like a 10 century rockape? Ditto goes for the lawyer. Does anyone remember the old SNL skit "Ancient Caveman Lawyer"?
Here in Turkey its semi frowned upon to dress like that. Most places won't hire people like that. No government job will allow that kind of garb. One of my students was a female lawyer who wears a scarf but told me that when she actually goes to court she has to remove it she told me there are NO male lawyers with beards.

819 judith0007  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:46:32pm

tough noogies...and I mean it. No old white ladies...or young ones...or old white men...or young ones....or ANY OTHER group besides those who embrace Islam have attempted to blow up any planes. I just flew out of DCA with my two kids recently and if they had looked at me cross-eyed I would have ratted them out. Let the realistic profiling begin at some point, for the love of God....and I do not mean Allah!

820 LieSeeker  Fri, Jan 2, 2009 9:57:03pm

re: #453 MandyManners

What do you mean?

CAIR's corporate status in DC has been revoked for some time. Search the DC organization registry and it's right there. It's been pointed out online several times. Don't know if DC government knows they're still conducting business.

821 USCMSNE  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:12:38am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Well, this explains why they weren't allowed to rebook their flight....
Muslim family booted off U.S. airline after comments

I just read this article, looking for the line about the passenger getting irate. Either Killgore Trout is lying because of his deep ingrained hatred for Muslims or Reuters is sanitizing the story.

Can any of you interweb geniuses find a cached version?

//Sorry KT, had to state all possibilities, unlikely as they may be. ;)

822 swamprat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:30:44am

re: #821 USCMSNE

I just read this article, looking for the line about the passenger getting irate. Either Killgore Trout is lying because of his deep ingrained hatred for Muslims or Reuters is sanitizing the story.

Can any of you interweb geniuses find a cached version?

//Sorry KT, had to state all possibilities, unlikely as they may be. ;)

Here is yet a third possibility;
Another story about the same incident.
No need to apologize; Your unspoken thanks is reward enough.
story

quote;


The family was upset that AirTran didn't allow the Muslim passengers to book another flight. The airline said in a news release Friday that one of the passengers became irate, made inappropriate comments and had to be escorted away from a gate podium by local law enforcement.

Happy to help

823 betapi  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 5:46:57pm

Yes, it's discrimination. Get used to it. Until moderate muslims rid their religion of the militant few (?), they will be looked at with fear or dislike, to mention two possible emotions. We all discriminae on things. Mostof us want to live, and this is stronger than PC considerations for most of us.

Deal with it, as we get to deal with random death and destruction visited upon us because we are not muslim. I think this family, while wronged, is getting the better deal. They are alive, yes? Nick Berg is Dead. Daniel Pearl is dead. Ain't no coming back from dead. Missing a flight, you can recover.


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