Oh man, the hijab is going to hit the fan now!

I blame the juice.

Great. Here we go again...

Does anyone have a link to any recent news of the Flying Imams case? The Google, it finds nothing...

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

When will people learn not to joke about air safety and security at airports or onboard planes.

Each will get you a one-way ticket to detention (jail or a thorough investigation or both).

BTW, here's the TSA statement on the AirTran Flight 175 incident:

Security is a shared responsibility and this incident highlights the multiple layers of security that are in place in today's aviation environment.

Alert passengers reported what they believed were inappropriate comments, flight attendants promptly notified the pilot in command. Federal air marshals onboard escorted the individuals in question off the plane at the pilot's request where they were met by local and federal officials to ensure they posed no threat to the flight. After interviewing the individuals, performing a sweep of the aircraft and rescreening all checked and carry-on baggage, the flight departed.

We support the pilot in command in making decisions he or she believes is in the best interest of those onboard the aircraft. TSA counts a vigilant traveling public as an important layer of security and continues to encourage passengers to be alert and report suspicious activity.

Disproportionate BS.

BBL

So Don Imus is a bigot and loses his career for saying "nappy headed hoe" yet an airlines is a bigot for taking exception to possible talk of terrorism.

Why is the Left so obsessed with bigotry?
Methinks they dost protest too much.

re: #4 Occasional Reader

with all the accordingattendant caveats

(sheesh)

re: #5 lawhawk

When will people learn not to joke about air safety and security at airports or onboard planes.

Each will get you a one-way ticket to detention (jail or a thorough investigation or both).

BTW, here's the TSA statement on the AirTran Flight 175 incident:

That was my first reaction. You don't yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

re: #1 Erik The Red

Huh?

re: #11 Occasional Reader

(sheesh)

/'cordeen music playing

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar. In America today, the main culprits of blowing things out of proportion are Muslims and the gay lobby.

Somehow I don't think getting hamas shills to speak out for you is the best move in this instance.

re: #16 Simple Voice

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar. In America today, the main culprits of blowing things out of proportion are Muslims and the gay lobby.

Exactly, as someone once said, it the war on terror we have to be right every time, they only have to be right once.

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

A set up?

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

I've had general conversations from time to time about the safest place to be on an airplane, but the conversations have taken place at, say, in a group at work, or at the gym - this is not a conversation one has after you are already seated on the airplane!

That, together with what you just said about how quickly CAIR issued their statement, makes me wonder if this might have been a "set-up", to see what would happen, so that a complaint could be made.

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

I wonder if CAIR knew of the incident before it even happened...

OR, I have to agree. This sounds a bit like an over reaction. But, having said that, yes, the yelling 'Fire" analogy does apply.

I'd like to see other reports on what was actually said. If it's true that the only relevant words uttered were "Wow, the jets are right next to my window", then this was indeed unjustified.

Of course, if added to that was something like "it'd be pretty easy to bomb them" or some such thing, that's a horse of a different color.

re: #14 Occasional Reader

Huh?

Don't make, utter shit that makes people scared. Right or wrong there bis a stigma that goes with flying and the whole Muslim thing.

Mark Steyn is doing the Rush broadcast this morning, at this very moment.

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

re: #20 reine.de.tout

I've had general conversations from time to time about the safest place to be on an airplane, but the conversations have taken place at, say, in a group at work, or at the gym - this is not a conversation one has after you are already seated on the airplane!

That, together with what you just said about how quickly CAIR issued their statement, makes me wonder if this might have been a "set-up", to see what would happen, so that a complaint could be made.

I'm pretty fatalistic about flyin...get on, fly, get off...there is no safest place...

re: #4 Occasional Reader

It's a possibility. I suspect there's more to the story and as we say with the flying Imams case the Islamists like to be intentionally provocative in airports. We'll see what develops.

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

The Media talking heads.

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

Some god damned liberal/socialist activist fucking judge probably will.

re: #19 MandyManners

A set up?

Give the lady a Kewpie doll! My thoughts exactly.

re: #23 Occasional Reader

Was this the first time that those involved had been on a plane? Did they choose their seats prior to flight? What did they actually say, what was overheard, etc.?

All are important questions, but the flight crew has to be given leeway to ensure that the flight concludes safely.

I am with the overreaction camp on this.

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

Everyone working in the CNN newsroom?

'Wow, the jets are right next to my window.'

. Irfan forgot to mention his brother's next comment:

'Piece of cake.'

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

Can't be overreaction, no such thing.

Not when I'm taking my shoes off to get through security.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a few Muslims do something really bad on airline flights a few years ago?

It may have prompted airlines to be a little more cautious about carrying Muslims on their flights...

re: #8 doriangrey

Your comment is ridiculous.

January 21st when Sharia law replaces the constitution this will stop happening.

re: #27 albusteve

I'm pretty fatalistic about flyin...get on, fly, get off...there is no safest place...

Yup, that's why this should be taken so seriously, air planes cant just pull over to the side of the road if there is a problem.

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

re: #34 gclaghorn

Everyone working in the CNN newsroom?

Sorry. Who (of sound mind) gives a flying frak what they think?

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

The AP story said a TSA spokesperson said the pilot did the right thing. Of course, CAIR will strenuously object to that, but who gives a flying frak what they think?

What would get to the pilot was a report along the lines of "passengers heard other passengers make threats" or something like that. So OF COURSE the pilot has to take that seriously. The question is, what was actually said?

re: #19 MandyManners

And, if I'm reading the article correctly, a lawyer was the one who was said to have made inappropriate remarks (which were overheard by other passengers)...don't tell me, someone was trolling for a lawsuit?

VIVA Air Tran~!

Please fly with them.

Air Tran kindly offered free travel to families of Walter Reed wounded through a program called "Helping Our Heroes".

Air Tran are patriots deserving Lizard support.

Safety & country first.

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

Raising hand.

re: #39 ThinkRight

January 21st when Sharia law replaces the constitution this will stop happening.

I don't think airplanes can fly under sharia law, priniciple of aerodynamic lift does not appear in the Koran. Only flying horses.

re: #30 doriangrey

Some god damned liberal/socialist activist fucking judge probably will.

9th Circuit Court, please pick up the white courtesy phone!

re: #16 Simple Voice

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar. In America today, the main culprits of blowing things out of proportion are Muslims and the gay lobby.

Blowing things up and blowing things, depending on the class of people.

Why are they flying?

/there's no mention of aircraft in the Koran

re: #38 Occasional Reader

Your comment is ridiculous.

When the Amish start blowing up planes my comment will be ridiculous, when all of Islam stops being violent my comment will be ridiculous, until then it is not and you are.

re: #23 Occasional Reader

I'd like to see other reports on what was actually said. If it's true that the only relevant words uttered were "Wow, the jets are right next to my window", then this was indeed unjustified.

Of course, if added to that was something like "it'd be pretty easy to bomb them" or some such thing, that's a horse of a different color.

I'm suspicious because those words about the jets don't set off red flags for any normal person. I'm betting there is much more to the story.

Because the pilot would have asked what was overheard, and for the reporting passenger to say: "They said: Wow, those jets are close to my window." and then for the pilot to say: "That sound serious," doesn't make sense at all.

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

9th Circuit Court, please pick up the white courtesy phone!

Racist!

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re: #44 Occasional Reader

What would get to the pilot was a report along the lines of "passengers heard other passengers make threats" or something like that. So OF COURSE the pilot has to take that seriously. The question is, what was actually said?

I like how the Mr. Irfan only gives one quote - an innocuous one - and the explanation that they were "discussing airport security." Dollars to donuts the brother and his wife said more than that.

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

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Occasional--Hey Guapo, cancel your WaPo!

Something does not add up.

"My brother and his wife were discussing some aspect of airport security," Irfan said. "The only thing my brother said was, 'Wow, the jets are right next to my window.' I think they were remarking about safety."

Airport and airplane security are not the same thing.

Being a dirty infidel, I would easily pay a few bucks more for a seat on an airline that was only for infidels (no exceptions).

re: #43 Wyatt Earp

Sorry. Who (of sound mind) gives a flying frak what they think?

445,000 American viewers.

re: #36 itellu3times

Can't be overreaction, no such thing.

Of course there is. I personally know a guy who was taken off a flight and questioned because a hysterical passenger thought he looked... funny. His family is originally from India, and he's Hindu. But he, you know.... looked funny. Yes, that's an overreaction, and yes, it does happen

Well, this explains why they weren't allowed to rebook their flight....
Muslim family booted off U.S. airline after comments

Of the nine passengers in the group, six asked to be rebooked to Florida, AirTran said.

"One passenger in the party became irate and made inappropriate comments," the statement said. "The local law enforcement officials came over and escorted the passengers away from the gate podium."

re: #45 J.S.

And, if I'm reading the article correctly, a lawyer was the one who was said to have made inappropriate remarks (which were overheard by other passengers)...don't tell me, someone was trolling for a lawsuit?

Oh, come on now. Lawyers have to take ethics courses in law school, so they know better than to do such a thing.

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re: #48 itellu3times

I don't think airplanes can fly under sharia law, priniciple of aerodynamic lift does not appear in the Koran. Only flying horses.

What about flying carpets?

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Well, this explains why they weren't allowed to rebook their flight....
Muslim family booted off U.S. airline after comments

It's bigotry, I tell you! BIGOTRY!

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re: #64 gclaghorn

It's bigotry, I tell you! BIGOTRY!

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BIG ISLAM IS RIPPING US OFF!

re: #52 doriangrey

So you think all Muslims should be banned from flying on airplanes in the United States? Including Muslims who are natural-born American citizens? That's your position?

re: #17 Sharmuta

Somehow I don't think getting hamas shills to speak out for you is the best move in this instance.

Kind of like calling OJ Simpson as a character witness in your own murder trial.

re: #45 J.S.

And, if I'm reading the article correctly, a lawyer was the one who was said to have made inappropriate remarks (which were overheard by other passengers)...don't tell me, someone was trolling for a lawsuit?

I don't know exactly what he said so I don't know if it was inappropriate but, the FA's and pilot deemed it worthy to stop the flight and get them off. But, I'm still wondering if this was not a set up from the beginning.

re: #53 DistantThunder

of course there is more to the story...so much in fact by the time 41 people are giving 56 stories and nobody knows everything the truth will be lost in a contrived fog of intimidation and legalese crapolla...I hate this shit

Dear Air Tran.

I like your airline. The aircraft are new and clean. Your fares are low, and I like the in-seat Satellite radio.
But if you cave in to CAIR, I will fly somebody else.

If you stand up to the sheikh-down artists, I will fly you even more

Shug

re: #53 DistantThunder

Actually, I've uttered those words, or at least thought them, a few years back a couple of jet engines threw off turbine blades, anyway it's generally a bit quieter forward of the wings.

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

I wouldn't be shocked.

re: #44 Occasional Reader

yes -- What was said? Nothing on the Internet reports what was said by the Muslim (lawyer?)...(there are also conflicting accounts of when X was said -- how many others heard it -- how many others were concerned, etc.) Only one side of this story is being repeated and told -- typical for the MSM.

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

9th Circuit Court, please pick up the white courtesy phone!

No jurisdiction.

It's a very fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

re: #27 albusteve

I'm pretty fatalistic about flyin...get on, fly, get off...there is no safest place...

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

re: #75 Westward Ho

It's a very fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

almost as fine a line as the one between survivor and victim

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Based solely on the account here (with all the according caveats; it's WaPo, and the only first-person account of the words uttered comes from one of the complaining parties), it does sound like the airline crew may have overreacted.

I agree.

Terrorists aren't going to look overtly conspicuous.

Atta was clean shaven (a requirement before "martyrdom" operations) and wasn't wearing a kafiya.

Terrorists will try to look like you and me.

Just a note: the second-to-most-recommended diary at DKos right now is fronting for the Muslims who were kicked off.

re: #71 itellu3times

Actually, I've uttered those words, or at least thought them, a few years back a couple of jet engines threw off turbine blades, anyway it's generally a bit quieter forward of the wings.

I frickkin' hate sitting next to the engines. Too loud, and blocks your view.

re: #60 Occasional Reader

Of course there is. I personally know a guy who was taken off a flight and questioned because a hysterical passenger thought he looked... funny. His family is originally from India, and he's Hindu. But he, you know.... looked funny. Yes, that's an overreaction, and yes, it does happen

Yes, it does happen a lot, that was sort of my point. We're going with false positives. If granny says something about if man was meant to fly, and they pull her off and grill her for six hours, then I'm not upset of some bearded and hijabed types are pulled off for similar comments.

re: #75 Westward Ho

It's a very fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

And it's their fault the line is so fine. So they don't get the benefit of the doubt just yet.

re: #19 MandyManners
My thoughts exactly.
Fuck CAIR.

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

They must have CAIR on speed dial since CAIR released a statement while they were still at the airport. How convenient.

CAIR:"Okay, instead of using a group of imams this time, lets go with a 'nice family', and have them act in such a way as to get investigated...the imams was just too blatent. Remember to have them call us as soon as it goes down."

I could actually see that happening. Call me cynical.

From what I've read, the airline wasn't the least bit apologetic. Great! What's not great is the FAA paying for their tickets on an alternate airline

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Given suicide belts, on the one hand, and certain sex acts, on the other, your choice of phrase above is interesting.

Good catch.

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

airports suck...good for you...I love to drive and wish I could no matter where I go...

Coincidence, this is on streaming radio right now. Well, very brief story.

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

That's where the blue ice falls ...

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Well . . . on the ground, which is pretty much where I stay.

Well, a plane could crash into the building you're in.

re: #87 gruvin

From what I've read, the airline wasn't the least bit apologetic. Great! What's not great is the FAA paying for their tickets on an alternate airline

...with your tax dollars. Another bailout.

The news reported earlier they were asking each other the safest place to sit in case of a bomb...not "some aspect of airport security".

Thats a stupid thing to say on a plane no matter what ethnicity you are. And they should know that.

I, for one, would just once like to see these wronged muslims speak out on the root cause of these incidents. It's not the airline's fault they take these matters as seriously as they do- after 9/11 the airlines put themselves at great risk not taking things very seriously, and it's less likely to cause harm to over-react than to under react with the possibility of the loss of life and property. This lawsuit will cost them less than a 9/11 styled lawsuit.

But the muslims involved should speak out against bin ladin and al queda, if they feel so wronged. After all- it's bin ladin who's hijacked their religion, right? Instead- they have hamas shills in their corner. Not helpful.

next time they should fly valujet

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This case really does sound like an overreaction though, unlike the flying imams. Lets not muddle the issue.

Fox News covered this story this morning. Just a couple of Muslims (a man and his wife I think) having a conversation on where the safest parts of the plane are, something everyone who has flown post-9/11 has thought about when boarding a plane. They just were dumb enough to actually verbalize it. It's equivalent would be a couple of teenagers talking on campus about where the safest parts of their school would be if a "Colombine" attack occurred. If they were overheard you know they would be in the school office ASAP. No racism, just a common thought verbalized at the wrong time and in the wrong place if you want to make your destination on time.

re: #83 itellu3times

Yes, it does happen a lot, that was sort of my point. We're going with false positives. If granny says something about if man was meant to fly, and they pull her off and grill her for six hours, then I'm not upset of some bearded and hijabed types are pulled off for similar comments.

I have never heard of that happening. And if they're pulling grannies off for such remarks, that's hysterical and stupid. And it wouldn't justify OTHER hysterical stupidity.

re: #87 gruvin

From what I've read, the airline wasn't the least bit apologetic. Great! What's not great is the FAA us paying for their tickets on an alternate airline

Fixed it for you!

Here's what Fox reports:

An unnamed source told MyFOXDC.com that they overheard one member of the family talking about the safest place to sit on a plane if a bomb was on board, though the family denied the word "bomb" was ever used.

re: #64 gclaghorn
Yep, either a set up by CAIR to divert attention from something - maybe Gaza or maybe they were trolling for a lawsuit.
Screw them (h/t Kos).

re: #94 Sizzlack

The news reported earlier they were asking each other the safest place to sit in case of a bomb...not "some aspect of airport security".

Thats a stupid thing to say on a plane no matter what ethnicity you are. And they should know that.

If that's the case then anyone would've been removed.

I've been on a flight when an idiot made a bomb joke, was held in to bathroom by the crew until NYPD detectives showed up and took him off.

This was on a flight to Vegas, and it was a young white dude trying to be funny and who obviously was an idiot.

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

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I do.

I also think the Iraqi Shoe thrower planned his shoe throwing to be photographed in advance, with complicit willing photographers pre-set to document their girly "rage" assault on Pres. Bush.

re: #66 Occasional Reader

So you think all Muslims should be banned from flying on airplanes in the United States? Including Muslims who are natural-born American citizens? That's your position?

Would you like to fly with Adam Gadan or John Lind Walker... AMERICAN born Muslims are still Muslims. They practice a murderous violent hateful religion that glorifies death and especially martyrdom that involves killing those guilty of not being Muslims. So my answer is an unreserved yes.

You want to show what a wonderfully enlightened and sensitive non bigoted caring and fair minded individual you are, fine more power to you, But you try to do that where my safety is involved and you can go to hell.

re: #92 Kosh's Shadow

Well, a plane could crash into the building you're in.

Aw, hell! You had to bring that up, didn't you?

I'm for doing whatever keeps us safe...

If it means profiling, I don't care...

I'd rather be labeled a bigot than be dead...

re: #95 Sharmuta

But the muslims involved should speak out against bin ladin and al queda, if they feel so wronged.

Look, if British Airways throws me off a flight simply for having an Irish surname, I'm under no obligation to issue a press release denouncing the IRA.

re: #66 Occasional Reader

So you think all Muslims should be banned from flying on airplanes in the United States? Including Muslims who are natural-born American citizens? That's your position?

OR not to be disrespectful but if it looks like a rotten apple, smells like a rotten apple and taste like one.......... The Muslim faith, as a whole, has done NOTHING to make the west/Christians trust them. When the moderate Muslims in the Middle East and the West denounce the violence then maybe I will change my stance.

re: #70 Shug Well I don't fly very much, but know you do, and I agree with you 100%. Doesn't look to me like the airline did anything wrong here.

re: #48 itellu3times

I don't think airplanes can fly under sharia law, priniciple of aerodynamic lift does not appear in the Koran. Only flying horses.

Flying dream horses.

re: #101 Sprite

Here's what Fox reports:

some crackerjack reporting there!....barf me

The "engines next to my window" comment wasn't the only thing said by the passengers. One of them brought up "bombs."

re: #105 doriangrey

Would you like to fly with Adam Gadan or John Lind Walker... AMERICAN born Muslims are still Muslims. They practice a murderous violent hateful religion that glorifies death and especially martyrdom that involves killing those guilty of not being Muslims. So my answer is an unreserved yes.

You want to show what a wonderfully enlightened and sensitive non bigoted caring and fair minded individual you are, fine more power to you, But you try to do that where my safety is involved and you can go to hell.

I repeat my question from #66. Say what you mean, mean what you say, save the insults.

re: #108 Occasional Reader

Look, if British Airways throws me off a flight simply for having an Irish surname, I'm under no obligation to issue a press release denouncing the IRA.

Would you want the press arm of the IRA issuing press releases on your behalf, or might that be a bad move?

re: #99 Occasional Reader

I have never heard of that happening. And if they're pulling grannies off for such remarks, that's hysterical and stupid. And it wouldn't justify OTHER hysterical stupidity.

OK I don't know of an actual case where that happened (even granny has been flying these days since her honeymoon), but certainly the lack of profiling which PC imposes on us, and the fact that shlubbs like me and all are forced to take off our shoes, and submit to the same universal and more or less pointless protocols as everyone else, makes the entire process absurd. In such a case, "overreaction" better involve deadly force.

re: #73 J.S.
Hey J.S. - you don't REALLY expect the MSM to tell both sides, do ya?!

re: #109 Erik The Red

OR not to be disrespectful but if it looks like a rotten apple, smells like a rotten apple and taste like one.......... The Muslim faith, as a whole, has done NOTHING to make the west/Christians trust them. When the moderate Muslims in the Middle East and the West denounce the violence then maybe I will change my stance.

Then I ask you the same question as I did dorian. Step up to the plate.

OT: news is reporting that Obama flew back to Chicago from Hawaii. I am surprised he didn't just walk back.

re: #119 karmic_inquisitor

OT: news is reporting that Obama flew back to Chicago from Hawaii. I am surprised he didn't just walk back.

Can't he walk on water?

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re: #25 itellu3times

Mega-updings :) Listening now.

re: #101 Sprite

Here's what Fox reports:

did they say bomb or didnt they?

re: #75 Westward Ho
Yes it is, but after 9/11 I'd err on the side of vigilence.

Congratulations to the TSA (which generally gets nothing but guff at this time of year) and the passengers who did the reporting. Thinking that others are out to get you doesn't mean you're paranoid. It means you're observant. And smart. CAIR is invited to kneel and await satisfaction until their lickspittle, the Ö, takes the chair.

re: #109 Erik The Red

. . . When the moderate Muslims in the Middle East and the West denounce the violence then maybe I will change my stance.

Yes, that's the key, it seems. We've had precious little "outcry" from any "moderate" Muslim about the terrorism and murder inflicted by their brethren. If there were some sort of outcry, then perhaps we could feel a little more comfortable trusting those "moderate" Muslims.

re: #122 albusteve

did they say bomb or didnt they?

That's all that matters.

"If I could sum it up in one word, I felt extremely disrespected," said Ijaz.

More than one word.

Obviously a terrorist.

/kiddng.

re: #122 albusteve

did they say bomb or didnt they?

According to other passengers, yes. According to them, no.

re: #120 gclaghorn

Can't he walk on water?

Yes he can!

And think of all the CO₂ he could have saved.

re: #115 Sharmuta

Would you want the press arm of the IRA issuing press releases on your behalf, or might that be a bad move?

If I call up Sinn Fein and ask them to speak for me, that's my bad. If they take it on themselves to do so, I'm not responsible. So far, we don't know which was the case here. If this was all a CAIR setup job, well then, shame on them and on these passengers. But we don't know that yet. And we've already got posters calling for blanket bans on Muslims traveling on planes. Wonderful.

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Who thinks this was planned with CAIR in advance?

That belongs in the "No Shit, Sherlock!" department.

re: #16 Simple Voice

Doesn't matter if the crew overreacted. If this happened to any other class of people, other than homosexuals, there would be no big uproar. In America today, the main culprits of blowing things out of proportion are Muslims and the gay lobby.

I would agree. The fact is that this very thing happens every day to people on the no fly list, which, unfortunately is rife with error. But, since they do not belong to a protected class, no one cares.

re: #79 Ben Hur
Hey Ben, with respect, terrorist are, by nature, unstable beings, so who the hell knows what happened here?

Seems like FOX news has had a stream of Hamas apologists on this morning. It's almost comical to watch them lie through their teeth. Absurd people.

re: #66 Occasional Reader

So you think all Muslims should be banned from flying on airplanes in the United States? Including Muslims who are natural-born American citizens? That's your position?

They would prefer to have nothing to do with infidels. I'm sure they would be much more comfortable flying on an "observant" airline.

re: #128 gclaghorn

According to other passengers, yes. According to them, no.

But they were singing an Beach Boys song so maybe the other passengers mistook it for something else.
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re: #8 doriangrey

Sorry folks, Flying while Muslim should be illegal.

We can't do that. This is still a free country, after all.

But 9/11 means that both airlines and airline passengers are bound to be suspicious of passengers who appear to be Muslims of Middle Eastern descent. To expect otherwise is to display a complete lack of common sense.

Right or wrong, Muslims will have to be somewhat cautious when flying--kind of like most of us are when dealing with police officers. Smile, say "yes sir," and do exactly what the cabin crew tells you, without complaint.

And try to avoid talking out loud about what would happen if the plane crashed or an engine blew up.

Oh no -- not again! This act is becoming somewhat tiresome. Muslims make remarks at the airport and CAIR just happens to be there to grab a mic and get in front of a camera. If the pilot thought they had to be removed from the plane I will go along with the pilot. And, I am sure we will hear a lot more on this incident.

re: #122 albusteve

Beats me. Just reporting on the reporting.

re: #130 Occasional Reader

If I call up Sinn Fein and ask them to speak for me, that's my bad. If they take it on themselves to do so, I'm not responsible. So far, we don't know which was the case here. If this was all a CAIR setup job, well then, shame on them and on these passengers. But we don't know that yet. And we've already got posters calling for blanket bans on Muslims traveling on planes. Wonderful.

How did CAIR get contacted?

re: #119 karmic_inquisitor

OT: news is reporting that Obama flew back to Chicago from Hawaii. I am surprised he didn't just walk back.

Did he sit near the engines?

re: #84 viciouscircledammit
AMEN!

re: #94 Sizzlack

And, especially since one of the accused is a lawyer, Atif Irfan...(also, "According to the airline, two federal air marshals on-board flight 175 contacted D.C. law enforcement officials after comments made by the Irfans' discussing flight safety...")

re: #114 Occasional Reader

I repeat my question from #66. Say what you mean, mean what you say, save the insults.

What? You cant read?

re: #113 gclaghorn

The "engines next to my window" comment wasn't the only thing said by the passengers. One of them brought up "bombs."

Oh, come on. We know obvious Muslims don't bother blowing up planes any more, they take them over and crash them.
Or get other people like Richard Reid to use the bombs.
/do I have to?

(BTW, Reid looked more likely to have a bong than a bomb)

re: #86 Taqiyyotomist
OK, your cynical!
But a realist, too.

re: #120 gclaghorn

Can't he walk on water?

/

no no no
The messiah parts the sea and walks
/

Mr DT's 9/11 Adventure 2002

First he gets a great deal on a fare because it is 9.11.02. He arrives in the departure areas and is waiting next to the porter station when he notices a commotion next to an unattended backpack left in the middle of the road. Police arrive, and cordon off the area. Mr DT happens to be standing next to an obese woman in a burqa in line - and he makes sure he puts her between himself and the backpack.

When he boards the plane he sits in the front row to maximize access to cockpit and aisle - and takes out his sock of 100 quarters. He's making himself comfortable when on walks Ms. burqa, her son with the previously cordoned off backpack, and scrawny Mr Burqa who is half her size. The family seats themselves near the back of the nearly empty plane.

There are no incidents for 99.99% of the flight from LAX to Philly. While on approach to the flightdeck at Philly, wheels down, moments from touchdown, Mr DT looks up to see a look of shock and dismay cross the face of the flight attendant sitting kiddie-corner facing him. She put her hands up toward the aisle, and says no. Mr DT slightly rotates in time to see Mr Burqa running up the aisle, and Mr DT, all 6'2", 275lbs. prepares to take this guy out.

Suddenly Mr DT notices that the man has his hand to his mouth, and pauses his assault. Mr Burqa speeds past the attendant and Mr DT, throws open the bathroom door, and begins to hurl violently all over the bathroom. The quick-thinking stewardess unfastens her seatbelt and puts her foot right on MR Burqa rear end and shoves him into the bathroom - and slams and locks the door behind him. She and Mr. DT look at each other in total shock.

Mr DT is grateful that his instincts served him well. And you never saw him on the news.

re: #122 albusteve

did they say bomb or didnt they?

Bomb and the Oklahoma bomber.

re: #95 Sharmuta
Would ding that up a hundred times if I could!

re: #147 ThinkRight

no no no
The messiah parts the sea and walks
/

I guess he hasn't developed teleportation yet. Maybe he is more of a sub-messiah.

re: #66 Occasional Reader

don't put wprds in his mouth please.

re: #136 Jetpilot1101

But they were singing an Beach Boys song so maybe the other passengers mistook it for something else.
/

bomb bomb bomb bomb bombairtran
bomb bomb bomb bomb bombairtran

re: #144 doriangrey

What? You cant read?

Okay, terrific, you're on the record. What else do you think Muslims should be banned from in this country? Please elaborate.

re: #140 MandyManners

How did CAIR get contacted?

seems like the timeline here is very important...people blabbing stupid stuff in airports is a hell of alot different than some nefarious setup game

re: #84 viciouscircledammit

Agreed but the results are more often than not so childishly stupid. Can't some marshal make the call without having to offload them?

re: #99 Occasional Reader
Do you think the airline's reaction was hysterical stupidity?

re: #153 Shug

bomb bomb bomb bomb bombairtran
bomb bomb bomb bomb bombairtran

LOL! Very witty.

re: #105 doriangrey

Oh, and by the way:

You want to show what a wonderfully enlightened and sensitive non bigoted caring and fair minded individual you are, fine more power to you

Yeah, right, and you're just trying to show what a tough, mean, macho hombre you are. Whatever.

re: #130 Occasional Reader

And I dinged that down, btw.

Sorry- but my sympathy meter stops at getting terrorist sympathizers taking up one's cause. And that's been my point this entire thread. These travelers now have hamas shills defending them- that's not good.

re: #157 realwest

Do you think the airline's reaction was hysterical stupidity?

I think I've been pretty clear; we don't know all the facts yet. If the only remark was about the closeness of the engines, yes, that's overreaction.

re: #154 Occasional Reader

Okay, terrific, you're on the record. What else do you think Muslims should be banned from in this country? Please elaborate.

This country. Is that elaborate enough for you?

re: #107 tfc3rid
Especially because I think profiling helps us more than it hurts us.

We talked about this on an earlier thread, you do not pulicly discuss security in the airport or on the aircraft. Everyone knows that including these Muslims.
I expect the outrage to be so coordinated that you might even think that this whole thing was planned.

who were headed to a religious retreat in Florida

Anyone want to bet they were going to a radical Islamist retreat?

I dare you!

I double dog dare you!

Bottle of Glenfiddich to the first to take me up on the bet and it turns out they were going to moderate muslim conference, a Sufi relgious retreat or a Muslims converting to Christianity meeting.........

Even before 9/11 just about every airline passenger knew that greeting his friend Jack in a colloquial way would land him in jail. Now, after 9/11, can anyone imagine mentioning a bomb would fare any better?

re: #161 Occasional Reader

I think I've been pretty clear; we don't know all the facts yet. If the only remark was about the closeness of the engines, yes, that's overreaction.

According to all other witnesses, the Muslims also mentioned bombs. Is it still overreaction?

re: #162 doriangrey

This country. Is that elaborate enough for you?

So, you think all Muslims should be deported from the United States?

re: #140 MandyManners

How did CAIR get contacted?

Good question. Does someone at TSA call CAIR when this stuff happens? Does CAIR have a TSA "ticker"? Does TSA have some sort of information clearinghouse, ala liveblogging?

re: #159 Occasional Reader

Oh, and by the way:

Yeah, right, and you're just trying to show what a tough, mean, macho hombre you are. Whatever.

Buzzzzzz.... Wrong answer.

re: #154 Occasional Reader

Okay, terrific, you're on the record. What else do you think Muslims should be banned from in this country? Please elaborate.

your are not "occasional" enough...
P.S. stop putting words in our mouths, log off, and return your computer back to Sears

A lawyer from Alexandria Virginia? Who is he and who are his clients? This could have been a set up. They are constantly testing the system and attempting to train security not to respond.

re: #167 gclaghorn

According to all other witnesses, the Muslims also mentioned bombs. Is it still overreaction?

"All"? We have one unnamed source, from what I can see.

IF they talked about bombs, then of course the flight crew's actions were justified.

We seem to have a lot of posters having trouble with the concept of "if".

9/11 was just a battle in the war. Its' just a matter of time till it happens again. The left wing wants to cut defense spending and are totally against Iraq, Israel, and Afghanistan. What do we do as a country? Elect leaders who matter? Or elect goof-balls that don't stand for anything that matters. What is next? The Army does not send 3 Ranger battalions to The Stan to hunt for Bin 'sLaden and keep the troops in Iraq, with the SF to train Iraq's and teach them to respect what they are doing for their country? No, Obama is going to get out of Iraq, close down Gitmo, and send Big Wheels to the troops for them to use instead of tanks. And we also want Al Franken in the Senate.

re: #18 doriangrey

Imagine what would have happened if the FBI had stopped Muhammad Atta and his crew on 9-11. These same people would be screaming about "profiling" and "flying while Muslim" and such for freakin' ever. The agent in charge of their arrest would have probably been fired, and the FBI would have settled out of court for a huge sum of money for inconveniencing the poor, poor Mohammedans.

9-11 should have put an end to this bullshit. That it didn't is quite troubling. You have to wonder when the next terrorist cell will be, and what they'll be allowed to do before anyone can touch their precious ass with so much as harsh language.

re: #172 all else failed

your are not "occasional" enough...
P.S. stop putting words in our mouths, log off, and return your computer back to Sears

Why, I'll take that under consideration, Mr. Number Of Comments 31.

In the meantime, go fuck yourself.

re: #140 MandyManners

How did CAIR get contacted?

I think Commissioner Gordon goes to the roof and turns on a searchlight.

/just watched The Dark Knight again

re: #149 debutaunt

Bomb and the Oklahoma bomber.

if passengers are overheard using the words bomb, bomber etc hey should be instantly removed from the flight period...you must start somewhere

re: #173 lifeofthemind

A lawyer from Alexandria Virginia? Who is he and who are his clients? This could have been a set up. They are constantly testing the system and attempting to train security not to respond.

I will take bets the lawyer is on retainer with CAIR

Bunch of crap. This is business and business for the airlines could get really bad if they have a bunch of people yapping about plane wrecks . . . and they look like the kind of people that are known for blowing up airplanes.

OT, has anyone seen any of the Leverage episodes?

re: #174 Occasional Reader

"All"? We have one unnamed source, from what I can see.

IF they talked about bombs, then of course the flight crew's actions were justified.

We seem to have a lot of posters having trouble with the concept of "if".

CAIR is also speaking up for the alleged bomb-whisperers. Doesn't that sound a little bit suspicious to you?

I'm a white dude.
I don't say bomb.

If I was wearing a headscarf or an islamic beard in this country after 9/11 I would be double damned sure not to say bomb.

Life isn't fair. Some people have to be on their best behavior. That's how it is
So you put on your best behavior!

Simple

I don't support banning muslims from flying. That is a pretty stupid solution.

But one has to wonder what these assholes were thinking - they admit that their appearance attracts attention (headscarves / beards) and then they start talking about where they should sit in terms of safety? Loudly for everyone on board to hear?

These people are idiots, and more so if they thought they should test the cultural sensitivities of those around them by "pushing the envelop" of taste.

As for Airtran, I think they have every right to ban these people from flying, or anyone else who boards one of their planes and starts speculating out loud about the safety of the airline ad nauseum. Why should Airtran or their passengers be subjected to that from anyone?

re: #162 doriangrey

This country. Is that elaborate enough for you?

If they are citizens, they have the same civil rights as everyone else.

re: #130 Occasional Reader
But we also have posters wondering how it was that CAIR had that press release ready to go so quickly.
And me, especially, thinking that profiling isn't a bad thing in and of itself.
So yeah, if British Airways wanted to examine your carryon bag and shoes because your surname is Irish, it wouldn't bother me - and I don't know why it would bother you so much either.
Now if they denied you a seat JUST BECAUSE of your Irish surname that's a different story.

re: #130 Occasional Reader

If I call up Sinn Fein and ask them to speak for me, that's my bad. If they take it on themselves to do so, I'm not responsible. So far, we don't know which was the case here. If this was all a CAIR setup job, well then, shame on them and on these passengers. But we don't know that yet. And we've already got posters calling for blanket bans on Muslims traveling on planes. Wonderful.

You know this incident, the flying Imams out of Minneapolis etc. could all be coordinated to make TSA loosen up on them even more.

I do believe that there should be scutiny as opposed to harassment, but lots of scrutiny

re: #186 MandyManners

If they are citizens, they have the same civil rights as everyone else.

What are you, some sort of terrorist-hugger?

/

re: #118 Occasional Reader

Then I ask you the same question as I did dorian. Step up to the plate.

Re # 66
Not banned solely because they are Muslim, but because they make asshat comment that may make other passengers uncomfortable, given the international climate.
When I am in a country that does not share my values,or opinions, I will not make myself a target. In the USA you can say almost anything and not be persecuted. Try that in Africa or the Middle East.

re: #165 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Anyone want to bet they were going to a radical Islamist retreat?

I dare you!

I double dog dare you!

Bottle of Glenfiddich to the first to take me up on the bet and it turns out they were going to moderate muslim conference, a Sufi relgious retreat or a Muslims converting to Christianity meeting.........

Have you Googled to see what kind of religious retreat it was?

re: #177 Iron Fist

Imagine what would have happened if the FBI had stopped Muhammad Atta and his crew on 9-11. These same people would be screaming about "profiling" and "flying while Muslim" and such for freakin' ever. The agent in charge of their arrest would have probably been fired, and the FBI would have settled out of court for a huge sum of money for inconveniencing the poor, poor Mohammedans.

9-11 should have put an end to this bullshit. That it didn't is quite troubling. You have to wonder when the next terrorist cell will be, and what they'll be allowed to do before anyone can touch their precious ass with so much as harsh language.

Bingo.....

re: #187 realwest

But we also have posters wondering how it was that CAIR had that press release ready to go so quickly.
And me, especially, thinking that profiling isn't a bad thing in and of itself.
So yeah, if British Airways wanted to examine your carryon bag and shoes because your surname is Irish, it wouldn't bother me - and I don't know why it would bother you so much either.
Now if they denied you a seat JUST BECAUSE of your Irish surname that's a different story.

Has the IRA ever hijacked or bombed an aircraft?

re: #170 Taqiyyotomist

Good question. Does someone at TSA call CAIR when this stuff happens? Does CAIR have a TSA "ticker"? Does TSA have some sort of information clearinghouse, ala liveblogging?

How could they blog while at work?

re: #10 arcatan

Why is the Left so obsessed infected with bigotry?
Methinks they dost protest too much.

there - an editing suggestion - just a suggestion, thanks

re: #132 rawmuse
I don't understand your position my friend: if someone is on the No Fly list, whether or not by error, what is the airline supposed to do?

re: #185 karmic_inquisitor

and then they start talking about where they should sit in terms of safety? Loudly for everyone on board to hear?

Erm, suicide bombers/hijackers generally aren't concerned for their personal safety, so I'm not sure why that's relevant.

I really don't CAIR what they think ...

re: #193 all else failed

You're a genius. Really.

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Erm, suicide bombers/hijackers generally aren't concerned for their personal safety, so I'm not sure why that's relevant.

because irony is the axis of the universe

Irfan, 34, is an anesthesiologist. His brother, 29, is a lawyer. Both live in Alexandria with their families, and both were born in Detroit. They were traveling with their wives, Kashif Irfan’s sister-in-law, a friend and Kashif Irfan’s three sons, ages 7, 4 and 2.

Wow, married professionals, born in the US, serving the legal system and helping sick people. You just couldn't find a bunch of more respectable-looking and sympathetic-sounding plaintiffs if you planned the whole thing from the beginning, could you?

re: #200 _RememberTonyC

I really don't CAIR what they think ...

They don't think. They just open their mouths and let crap spew out.

re: #193 all else failed

Oooohhhhh...now who's resorting to insults "tough guy?"? Ha hah haha ahahahahahahah!

Shut up you piece of shit troll. Oops, did I say that? I take that back. Shit is better than you.

re: #172 all else failed

Go piss up a rope.

re: #8 doriangrey

The men and women of the new Iraqi Air Force disagree.

re: #206 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

High Five!

re: #206 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

One of these days, I'm going to use Photoshop to put together a nice little graphic to go along with that for you. :)

re: #206 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

Something tells me "all else failed" may be a sockpuppet that snuck through the cracks.

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

Aren't Terrorist-Huggers™ the tight pants that are all the rage for under-burkha wear these days?

No, you're thinking of the Terrorist-Snuggie, relentlessly hawked on Al-Jazeera by Abu Bili al-Mays.

re: #186 MandyManners

If they are citizens, they have the same civil rights as everyone else.

Except nobody's allowed to question whether someone is a citizen or not.

They are obviously innocent.
It is the Juice with planes and bombs that are the real security threat.

/CAIR spokesimam

re: #193 all else failed

FO, troll.

re: #189 Occasional Reader

What are you, some sort of terrorist-hugger?

/

No. Just someone who likes the First Amendment.

Man, I have conflicted feelings about this.

My cousin, married to an Iranian Ba'hai, gets profiled if she files with her husband or kids. She complains, but a part of me thinks that this is not a bad thing. Until we invent some kind of terrorist-detecto-matic, we'll have to go with the only thing that the previous terrorists have had in common--a religion/nationality. Sorry, but this country has the right to defend itself.

Muslims haven't exactly done a lot to reassure us that they are in this fight with us. Having President Bush tell us they are peaceful is not what we need. We need to see western mosques firing radical imams.

Have you ever talked about bombs on an airplane? I haven't.

re: #164 opnion

Exactly. And how many times have we read/heard about some bozo who makes a joke about "bombs" on board a plane or in his luggage (who's subsequently denied the privilege of boarding the plane)? (this happens...I read about some elderly fellow "joking" about a bomb, when his baggage was being inspected...and "no," security didn't find it at all amusing...and he didn't get on board the plane.) And the fellow in the current story who's accused of saying X, is a lawyer...surely, he would have to know better...unless, of course, it's done for the consumption of the Media and making Muslims into martyrs (and, all the while hopeful of eventually winning some multi-million dollar lawsuit on the grounds that they were discriminated against -- and, yes, this too happens.) But, we''ll, once again, have to wait for all the facts to come out...

allelsefailed has been escorted off the plane and is being rebooked on another airline

STINKY AKBAR!

re: #216 MandyManners

No. Just someone who likes the First Amendment.

right on

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

It looks like al-Elsefailed's account just failed.

He wore out his welcome awful quick. When "all else fail"s, ban the sock puppets.

re: #212 Taqiyyotomist

Except nobody's allowed to question whether someone is a citizen or not.

What?

THANK YOU, CHARLES!

re: #216 MandyManners

No. Just someone who likes the First Amendment.

And according to Hussein Obama that makes us all racist
/

re: #201 Occasional Reader

You're a genius. Really.

He got blocked...

(Sighs) Another day, another flame war stoked by Occasional Reader. I swear every thread he's on becomes a gas can.

/;-P

re: #204 Sizzlack

Oh, they think alright. But what they think stinks worse than shit. And since I try to avoid shit whenever possible, I am not at all interested in the shitty views of CAIR and their ilk.

re: #161 Occasional Reader
OK, O.R., but there is a BIG difference between over reaction and hysterically stupid.
And as to your #130, how would it be that Sinn Fein would have heard about the incident and had a press release ready to go with it in this short a time frame?

re: #224 Sharmuta

What?

Scatch that. Just thinking, cynically, out loud.

re: #203 Morganfrost

Wow, married professionals, born in the US, serving the legal system and helping sick people. You just couldn't find a bunch of more respectable-looking and sympathetic-sounding plaintiffs if you planned the whole thing from the beginning, could you?

* * *
Such nice totalitarian expansionist ideology fellow travelers--so at home inside the US Beltway which surrounds your nation's capital.

Northern Virginia is leftist and home to many such CAIRing folks.

re: #203 Morganfrost

Wow, married professionals, born in the US, serving the legal system and helping sick people. You just couldn't find a bunch of more respectable-looking and sympathetic-sounding plaintiffs if you planned the whole thing from the beginning, could you?

Oh, beautiful point!

re: #123 realwest

Yes it is, but after 9/11 I'd err on the side of vigilence.

Realwest this incident seems to be a bit over the top don't you think? They got offloaded for nothing.

re: #219 Shug

allelsefailed has been escorted off the plane and is being rebooked on another airline

Kosair?

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Erm, suicide bombers/hijackers generally aren't concerned for their personal safety, so I'm not sure why that's relevant.

I didn't say/imply that they were acting like suicide bombers.

They were acting like assholes.

Who wants to board a plane and hear loud passengers speculate on the crash worthiness of where they sit?

Look at it another way - you go into a nice restaurant, start looking at the menu, then some jerks 4 tables down start talking loudly about the relative food safety of the items on the menu. They start speculating over the fish, the pork, the beef ... Would you lose you appetite? I would.

The restaurant would be in their rights to ask them to leave and ask them to to agree on a restaurant that meets their food safety standards before entering the establishment.

That is my point.

Just how quick was the press release issued, from the time of the incident?

re: #58 Mad Mullah

Being a dirty infidel, I would easily pay a few bucks more for a seat on an airline that was only for infidels (no exceptions).

This is ridiculous. That's what private charters are for.
Or, get your own pilots license...
This whole Cair press release made within minutes of this unboarding occurrence smells foul of a plant to me.

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

High Five!

Backatcha'!

re: #210 Jetpilot1101

Something tells me "all else failed" may be a sockpuppet that snuck through the cracks.

It'd been here since 3/07.

re: #170 Taqiyyotomist

Does CAIR have a TSA "ticker"?

I wouldn't be surprised, actually. Something along those lines, anyway.

re: #212 Taqiyyotomist

Except nobody's allowed to question whether someone is a citizen or not.

So?

Does anybody here think that it should be OK to go to a costume shop and get an SS uniform, used only by drunken British royals, before parading around Jewish neighborhoods? How about borrowing Robert Byrd's old Grand Imperial Kleegle robe from the KKK before strolling around Harlem discussing the mechanics of necktie parties? Then why should there be a license to display "traditional muslim garb and appearance" and discuss security in an airport or on an airplane?

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

It looks like al-Elsefailed's account just failed.

Failed right into a big, brick wall.

re: #172 all else failed
Hey jackass - Occasional Reader is not an hysterical kinda guy - and your ad hominen attack on him says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about him.

re: #225 MandyManners

THANK YOU, CHARLES!

It's Friday and I just had a great lunch and Stinky Bans a jerk..
Does it get any better?

re: #241 MandyManners

It'd been here since 3/07.

True but with only 32 comments, the vast majority of them came on today's thread.

Just a brief aside on flying courtesy. There are alot of people who hate to fly, basically they have a real problem with the whole physics aspects of gravity and the velocity needed to overcome it, one little oops and your toast. I hate to fly (prefer trains and even Greyhound over flying) but it is often a necessary means of transportation given time and distance. For many people both the take-off and landing portions of the flight will give their blood-pressure a nice spike (and the ban on listening to one's Ipod, Discman, Walkmen during this portion of the flight doesn't make it any easier to distract one's self) Such individuals do not need some knuckled-dragging, self-indulgent neanderthals making any comments which will raise their blood-pressure any higher. Any inconvienence suffered by those making such comments may be considered Karma-tic justice.

There are some things you don't say in an airport or on an airplane anymore. If you dress and look a certain way, that goes double. IF you want to test that, expect to experience the consequences.

re: #228 Dirk Diggler

(Sighs) Another day, another flame war stoked by Occasional Reader. I swear every thread he's on becomes a gas can.

/;-P

What can I say, I'm full of passion. Like The Passion of the Christ. Say, what do you think of that movie?

/

re: #237 karmic_inquisitor

That's a good point- when I worked in the liquor industry, we were given wide leeway by the law in refusing service. I can only imagine the airline industry would be given similar leeway. Again- a lot of it would come back to liability issues.

re: #211 Occasional Reader

No, you're thinking of the Terrorist-Snuggie, relentlessly hawked on Al-Jazeera by Abu Bili al-Mays.

Does that come in extra-loose fit to hide the telltale bomb bulges?

re: #222 albusteve

I hate that our enemies (terrorists and Communists) will use our freedoms against us.

re: #235 Alouette

Kosair?

anti-American airlines

re: #226 ThinkRight

And according to Hussein Obama that makes us all racist
/

Yeah, well, fuck him.

re: #174 Occasional Reader
O.R., please my friend, chill just a bit and read buzz's comment at #175.

re: #220 brianoflondon

Greetings, speaking of security, are you back in America?

re: #257 MandyManners

Yeah, well, fuck him.

You rock.

re: #243 MandyManners

I guess what I was thinking was that everyone currently using oxygen within the USA must be a citizen, for all intents and purposes. The alternative would be cold-war Germany, where anyone with authority can ask us "are your papers in order?" Nevermind.

re: #257 MandyManners

Yeah, well, fuck him.

The only person that does that these days is Michelle and I'm happy to keep it that way.

re: #238 Taqiyyotomist

Just how quick was the press release issued, from the time of the incident?

The time-line is crucial to determining if this was a set-up.

re: #237 karmic_inquisitor

Who wants to board a plane and hear loud passengers speculate on the crash worthiness of where they sit?

I've boarded planes in which aerophobic passengers were making remarks about safety. I shrug it off.