From Turkey. I wonder what religion?

The Internet - where disinformation thrives!

Well, that is simply stupid.

Delete them all, let Allah sort them out
//

patheetic!

Do people really go to sites like this?

Those IDF videos are a big problem for the Islamists.

So, let me get this straight - YouTube will let those videos persist, all while YouTube goes forward with TOS violations against the authentic IDF videos.

re: #1 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Amish or maybe Hutterite.

re: #6 midwestgak

Do people really go to sites like this?

Youtube? or the channel?

People will go to youtube, do a search for an IDF video, click one of these by accident, and get stuck watching anti-semitic/israeli propaganda.

A Turk, according to his self-inflicted data.

re: #6 midwestgak

They aren't going to the sites/channels per se, but are searching for them. If you're using the same keywords, both will come up. It's a disinformation campaign taking advantage of the search engine process.

re: #8 lawhawk

So, let me get this straight - YouTube will let those videos persist, all while YouTube goes forward with TOS violations against the authentic IDF videos.

I reported him.... let's see what youtube does.

re: #1 Killgore Trout

From Turkey. I wonder what religion?

Undoubtedly Shinto.

he’s posting anti-Israel (and antisemitic) videos with the same titles and descriptions as the IDF’s official YouTube videos

/I suppose, given the YouTube bias, it'd be futile to flag the videos as inappropriate

The bad guys just can't exist without lying.

Is Axelrod giving Hamas lessons on YouTube Astroturfing?

/

I dislike hackers and spammers as much as the next guy...but where the F are the hackers and spammers to ruin this guys day and computer?

re: #12 lawhawk

The HAMAS shill should be reported to YouTube.

re: #15 Killian Bundy
Gonna try!

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Those IDF videos are a big problem for the Islamists.

I got a response back from a news org. saying they had to edit the IDF vids for time purposes. Now, I ask you, how much time elapses between the time of the IDF strike and the secondary explosion? A second? 2 seconds? No, more like a tenth of a second.

What a load of garbage.

Do not be disarmed by the idiocy of the people trying to kill you.

re: #12 lawhawk

They aren't going to the sites/channels per se, but are searching for them. If you're using the same keywords, both will come up. It's a disinformation campaign taking advantage of the search engine process.

Yep, that's what it is. Low rent disinfo.

re: #11 pre-Boomer Marine brat
"according to his self-inflicted data. " LOL

I would assume such blatant hijacking would be grounds for banning under the EULA, but who knows? (I sure can't read those things).

Note that I said "hijacking" in the context of youtube and in no way do I wish to be escorted off off LGF by the Sky Marshal for discussing such things, and you can't see my burqa anyway, infidel!

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Israellycool is doing his separated at birth contest, go there for Gaza liveblogging also.

re: #10 Joo-LiZ

and get stuck watching anti-semitic/israeli propaganda

/I hit the stop button as soon as I hear the inevitable caterwauling soundtrack

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Life is good.

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Congratulations!

re: #25 yochanan

To Life!

Amidst all this!

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

first one?
congratulations!
(I just got two more between Thanksgiving and Christmas!)

wow they have 4 subscribers, all of them are his secondary accounts.

Searching for recent videos from Gaza on Youtube turns up a slew of Islamist propaganda.

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Congratulations.
Now spoil him real good!

making jews the old fashioned ways

Wow any vid that has Noam Chomsky and Richard Falk in it just has to be good!

re: #25 yochanan

CONGRATULATIONS!

re: #32 jwb7605

CONGRATULATIONS!
CONGRATULATIONS!

re: #21 rawmuse

I got a response back from a news org. saying they had to edit the IDF vids for time purposes. Now, I ask you, how much time elapses between the time of the IDF strike and the secondary explosion? A second? 2 seconds? No, more like a tenth of a second.

What a load of garbage Advocacy Journalism.

And since it's taught in the Schools of Journalism, there's nothing see here. Move along, please.

/

These clowns go in to You Tube and systematically flag any and all videos they do not approve of in the attempt to get them yanked.

Then they hack in to various Israeli news sites replacing it their own propaganda and follow that with threats to go after American web sites.

Now this new twist of putting up propaganda and labeling it with legitimate IDF labels.

All of this is done, not by Hamas, but by Western sympathizers and supporters. I would suggest it is time for us to reciprocate by searching out and having these Jihad snuff flicks removed by flagging them as offensive. Search out and flag as offensive these duplicitous videos. They certainly meet the YouTube criteria for offensive videos and need to be removed. Track down these hackers and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

Why should Internet Terrorism be allowed to flourish?

Someone needs to get some Youtube footage of this going just to counter the idiots....
[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

re: #25 yochanan

Congratulations!

My sister was born on the 3rd of January in a small town and won the "New Year's Baby" prize. We still kid her about that...

re: #35 cathypop

Now spoil him real good!

Probably with lots of little metal cars!

re: #38 gettinby

first boy i have two girlies one in israel and one in chicago

re: #25 yochanan

mazel tov, Zadie!

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Congrats!

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

That's GREAT off topic!
Congratulations, gramps!

re: #26 lifeofthemind

Israellycool is doing his separated at birth contest, go there for Gaza liveblogging also.

He's taking a sabbath break... He'll be back after sabbath (in about another 24 hours or so, I think).

Question: what causes a video to have comments disabled? Is it done by Youtube or the persons who posts the video?

re: #49 tradewind

Question: what causes a video to have comments disabled? Is it done by Youtube or the persons who posts the video?

Person that posts the video.

When you upload, you can choose a number of settings for your video.

re: #32 jwb7605

first one?
congratulations!
(I just got two more between Thanksgiving and Christmas!)

Congratulations to you too!

Gee, looks like I need to tell my daughter that I'm getting behind in the sweepstakes. (Heh, I can imagine what her reply will be.)

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Congratulations! Get him some White Sox pajamas quick.

The old thread is getting vicious, may need a clean up.

One of the posters subscribers is a youtube user named Aryanfolk88. You Tube is subsidizing neo-nazi hatred and filth. Sickening.

Notice the "Aryanfolk88" subscriber. (No link from me, friends.)

Gee, that is clever. Not

Abridged video? (re: 21) Well Raw, I watched the pod video of the mosque hit and there were secondary and tertiary explosions ... no question. The cloud cover made interpretation troublesome (requiring patients) but the fact that the bomb impact was followed by other (larger) explosions is evident to anyone with two communicating brain cells. May have been Hurst who claimed wars from now on will be fought both in the field and on the pages of newspapers. And now the internet.

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Mazal Tov Gramps.

re: #52 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Congratulations to you too!

Gee, looks like I need to tell my daughter that I'm getting behind in the sweepstakes. (Heh, I can imagine what her reply will be.)

I never -- ever -- mention stuff like that to any of my kids.
What I don't know makes them less inhibited about.
-- at least, the theory has been working well for me (5 grandkids, total).

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

{yochanan}
Congratulations - being a grandparent is wonderful!
Well done, and best wishes to the newborn, his mum, father, and all your family!

only one thing to do:

log in and start flagging them as objectionable.

and don't forget to rate them @ 1 star! %-)

Hamas is now threatening a "Day of Wrath" over the bombardment.
Tells me that it is working.

re: #63 opnion

Isn't that everyday for them?

re: #63 opnion

Hamas is now threatening a "Day of Wrath" over the bombardment.
Tells me that it is working.

What are they gonna do? Seethe some more?

re: #23 Charles

Yep, that's what it is. Low rent disinfo.

* * *
Now is the time for all good techies to come to the aid of their civilization.

Charles, here's to your good health, Sir. Thank you again and again.

re: #63 opnion

Hamas is now threatening a "Day of Wrath" over the bombardment.
Tells me that it is working.

As opposed to every other day since Hamas came into existence?

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

* * *
Congratulations & may there be many more little Yochanans.

re: #58 Clubsec

I think truncated is a better word to describe what they are doing to the vids.

re: #63 opnion

Hamas is now threatening a "Day of Wrath" over the bombardment.
Tells me that it is working.

Does a Day of Wrath employ the Mother of All Seething?

re: #63 opnion

Hamas is now threatening a "Day of Wrath" over the bombardment.
Tells me that it is working.

“We will remain on the path of jihad until the end of days.”

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

who knew the "end of days" was gonna be here before Obama gets sworn in?

re: #63 opnion

Hamas is now threatening a "Day of Wrath" over the bombardment.
Tells me that it is working.

Sounds like the attacks are working. All those rockets; took them so long to smuggle them in, gone in seconds.

re: #71 Nevergiveup

“We will remain on the path of jihad until the end of days.”

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

who knew the "end of days" was gonna be here before Obama gets sworn in?

There were, and probably still are, people who think 0bama is a symbol of the end of days.

re: #63 opnion

Hamas is now threatening a "Day of Wrath" over the bombardment.
Tells me that it is working.

If you don't submit to them they will get really really angry at you and then just you wait, you'll be sorry, they'll stop being moderate, they may even go beyond being militant, don't push them now, they've been holding back, they become become extreme and do something they haven't tried before, you'll see.

suck it you tube - you nazi loving fools.

2008 Military Times poll: Wary about Obama
Troops cite inexperience, Iraq timetable

[Link: www.armytimes.com...]

Dah!

re: #73 Kosh's Shadow

There were, and probably still are, people who think 0bama is a symbol of the end of days.

So does that mean I might as well max out all my credit cards and go out with a bang?

re: #65 Creeping Eruption

What are they gonna do? Seethe some more?

My neighbors 4 year old son has "Days of Wrath" all the time, they usually end with a thumb sucking session.

re: #60 jwb7605

I never -- ever -- mention stuff like that to any of my kids.
What I don't know makes them less inhibited about.
-- at least, the theory has been working well for me (5 grandkids, total).

Heh ... I was joking, but should explain. My daughter's 38 with two kids. I do NOT (*chuckle*) think she wants to "start over".

re: #78 Nevergiveup

So does that mean I might as well max out all my credit cards and go out with a bang?

On the chance that it's not the end of days, I'd say that's a bad idea.

re: #80 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh ... I was joking, but should explain. My daughter's 38 with two kids. I do NOT (*chuckle*) think she wants to "start over".

I had my first (well, and my only) child when I was 39.
It could happen.

re: #81 Dianna

On the chance that it's not the end of days, I'd say that's a bad idea.

Uh Oh, I better get the wife on the phone then?

re: #81 Dianna

On the chance that it's not the end of days, I'd say that's a bad idea.

/No kidding. What if the nights remain too? What a mess.

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Mazel Tov!

re: #82 reine.de.tout

I had my first (well, and my only) child when I was 39.
It could happen.

Oh yeah, sure. I was referring to her probable preference.
"Diapers?! GAAAAH!" ... or something like that.

Clock runs out?

If this article is correct, YouTube is going to be the least of the Palis concerns.

re: #72 Kosh's Shadow

Sounds like the attacks are working. All those rockets; took them so long to smuggle them in, gone in seconds.

Plenty left, I'm sure. Have to figure some kind of statistical logistic curve to estimate how many. Question is how many major weapons they had, and still have. Smaller numbers both, one hopes.

If Israel *ever* responded appropriately, their desire for such small and nearly useless arms, would fall to zero, indeed would be negative.

Woo Hoo. Market broke 9000

re: #40 Outrider

That's a lot of work ;)

re: #89 unreconstructed rebel

Wake me up when it hits 12000.

re: #87 Lincolntf

Clock runs out?

If this article is correct, YouTube is going to be the least of the Palis concerns.

I hope Israel does no ground incursion. What is there for it to do, just parade around and get shot at?

Artillery barrages were also being fired into the strip while aircraft dropped bombs on open ground that the army will need to cross, and where Hamas has placed mines and dug tunnels to allow its guerrillas to outflank the invaders.

The only reason I can think of for them to do it, is to prove that they can, try out new tactics.

There is nothing for a ground force to do, in Gaza.

... unless Israel wanted to reoccupy it with a thought to administering it for a while and turning it over to Fatah. I mean the PA, does anyone think that is a good idea?

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

Israel is poised to launch a major ground offensive into Gaza tonight after allowing hundreds of foreigners living in the devastated territory to evacuate.

That should be in about 6-7 hours.

you can go in and flag the videos under spam->misleading text or thumbnail.

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

That should be in about 6-7 hours.

Woohoo! GO GO GO!

re: #83 Nevergiveup

Uh Oh, I better get the wife on the phone then?

Probably.

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

That should be in about 6-7 hours.

You think they'll go in at night?

Nice market today...

re: #95 gclaghorn

Woohoo! GO GO GO!

Doncha just love it when strategic plans become public on a world-wide scale?
Geraldo going to cover this?

I hope it doesn't hinder Israel's battle plans.

Time for my say on the Gaza strip and the mindset of those who inhabit it:

Why should the Israelis be so scrupulous at avoiding civilian deaths? The terrorists and the so-called civilians are in it together. They are as much the enemy of Israel and the West in the here and now of 2009 as what the German Armed Forces and civilian population were enemies of Britain in 1940. German civilians sought victory over Britain every bit as much as what their troops and airmen did, and likewise, Gazan 'civilians' seek the destruction of Israel every bit as much as what the terrorists do. The only way for Israel to win is to wage total war without scruples, and get these facts through to the Western population. Could the Allies have won World War II without targeting German civilians as well as their military? Certainly not. In the Gaza Strip, every adult civilian is a potential terrorist. Every child is a potential future terrorist. And that must be realised by all. Better that a five year old Gazan dies under bombs today than allow it to murder 20 or 30 in an Israeli shopping mall 15 years from now. That is the horrible calculus we are faced with in Israel and the West today, because of them and the way they are. We, in our politically-correct multiculturalist Western minds, still think these fanatical Gazans are just like us, that their five year olds are no different from our five year olds. But they're as different from us as what sugar is from potassium cyanide.

Sir Arthur Harris probably didn't lose sleep if five year old Germans died under Allied bombs, because his focus was victory, and he believed a massive bombing campaign would eventually contribute to defeat Germany, and that if you start wars, five year olds will inevitably get killed in them, and to do anything less would cause us to lose the war. If anything was to make him lose sleep, it would be over whether those bomber crews came back alive. And we already know that those who carry out homicide bombings in Israel have been filled with the sort of hatred and antisemitism that gave them their ambition to carry out their heinous act from being three years old or less.

We have so much to learn about the type of enemy we are up against, and we haven't got very long to learn it, and clinging to politically correct multiculturalist dogmas will only put back the day when we finally learn. And by then, it might well be too late.

Reported.

I wonder how long does those videos will be avaiable?

Waiting for Youtube to take them down....

/i'm going to sit and wait.....

Mashaal warns Israel: 'A black fate awaits you if you invade Gaza'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Brave words coming from someone who is hiding under a bed in Damamscus?

re: #100 jwb7605

Geraldo going to cover this?

I hope not. After all, he's the grim reaper.

re: #92 itellu3times

That's not entirely true. The only way to completely wrap up the Hamas terror infrastructure is to engage in a ground operation to destroy ammo dumps, capture terrorists, and seize key areas so that Hamas has no choice but to surrender. Air campaigns might result in damage to the infrstructure, but Hamas will be able to maintain some semblance of control over Gaza. A ground operation would destabilize Hamas' operational control on the ground (such as it is - they are a terrorist group first and foremost, but destroy their C3I and you destroy the entity).

OT: God (via Pat Robertson) comes down with a case of Hopenchange....
Pat Robertson predicts socialism, rebound under Obama

Citing information he says is from God, Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said today that America is headed for veritable socialism as well as an economic rebound under President Barack Obama in 2009.

“What the Lord was saying, the people are willing to accept socialism to alleviate their pain,” Robertson said on a broadcast of "The 700 Club."
....
Robertson said the economy, particularly the stock market, could start bouncing back by the second quarter.

“Cast off the gloom and the doom because things are getting ready to turn around,” he said. “I’m flying in the face of all of the experts or most of the experts who say, ‘Oh no, no, no, it’s going to get worse,’ but I don’t think so.”

Dorian just got it, on the prior thread.

re: #92 itellu3times

I think they might be doing it largely because nothing else has a chance to permanently effect change in the situation. I can't imagine that they want to do it, but what else is there? Eventually, air power has it's limits against small groups of individuals hiding in a sprawling urban mess. So-called "carpet bombing" is not a realistic option in this battle.
I don't know if they intend to retake control, but if they can kill or physically drive the bulk of Hamas out of the area ( maybe into Egypt, maybe into wherever they can smuggle themselves), then that will be an improvement that was worth the effort.

re: #101 SpiritOf1683

Why should the Israelis be so scrupulous at avoiding civilian deaths? The terrorists and the so-called civilians are in it together.

That is the Palis excuse for shooting Jewish babies in their cribs. Jews are better than that.

re: #104 gclaghorn

I hope not. After all, he's the grim reaper.

I was thinking of exactly that when I typed the comment!
GMTA?

re: #97 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The sun should be coming up in 6-7 hours. I haven't checked the weather reports but unless it starts raining again they could go in at sunrise.

re: #13 Joo-LiZ

I reported him.... let's see what youtube does.

how do you report a user in YouTube...?

re: #87 Lincolntf

Looks to me as if this headline is used to sex up an otherwise middle-of-the-road report.

IDF troups have been camped close to the Gazan boders for a few days now.
Nothing on ynet - and I seriously doubt the top brass on the IDF would leak their plans to a British newspaper.

re: #111 Killgore Trout

The sun should be coming up in 6-7 hours. I haven't checked the weather reports but unless it starts raining again they could go in at sunrise.

I'd rather see them go in a night hard and fast.

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Israel set to begin ground war against Hamas in Gaza

That should be in about 6-7 hours.

And if they fought with one tenth the disregard for civilian life that they are accused of, it could be over 6-7 hours after that.

re: #110 jwb7605

GMTA?

Of course!

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Citing information he says is from God, Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said today that America is headed for veritable socialism as well as an economic rebound under President Barack Obama in 2009.
I wonder in Rev. Robertson's head if the sound of God's voice sounds just like his...

re: #113 yma o hyd

Looks to me as if this headline is used to sex up an otherwise middle-of-the-road report.

IDF troups have been camped close to the Gazan boders for a few days now.
Nothing on ynet - and I seriously doubt the top brass on the IDF would leak their plans to a British newspaper.

Yeah, if they wanted to leak it they could just tell a NYT's reporter and tell him not to mention of word of it since it's top secret.

re: #97 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You think they'll go in at night?

If they are indeed ready for a ground incursion, going in at night is what I'd expect. I'm sure they've got betetr night-fighting equipment than the hamasholes (I stole that expression from israellycool!)>

re: #106 Killgore Trout

OT: God (via Pat Robertson) comes down with a case of Hopenchange....
Pat Robertson predicts socialism, rebound under Obama

No surprise there. I just saw a clip of him the other day where he was dissin' Bush big time.

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Wake me up when it hits 12000.

Why waste 3000 points? You want to start getting in now.

/I've been rock & rolling options all day

re: #111 Killgore Trout

The sun should be coming up in 6-7 hours. I haven't checked the weather reports but unless it starts raining again they could go in at sunrise.

Uhhh, IIRC ... oops ... no, you're right!
A senior moment here, I guess. Got all screwed up on the time zones.
*thump head on desk*

re: #100 jwb7605

Doncha just love it when strategic plans become public on a world-wide scale?
Geraldo going to cover this?

I hope it doesn't hinder Israel's battle plans.

Maybe it is part of it - get the Hamassholes to get in position to repel the invasion, and then bomb them.

re: #1 Killgore Trout

From Turkey. I wonder what religion?

A Scientologist.

re: #120 redstateredneck

Will the religious right move to the Dems? I've never considered it a possibility but I haven't been following developments.

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Mazal tov to you!

My 22nd grandchild was born last week.

re: #123 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe it is part of it - get the Hamassholes to get in position to repel the invasion, and then bomb them.

I'm thinking their "position to repel the invasion" would be deeper entrenchment behing the women and children they are already using as shields.

I'm not kidding. That's what I'm afraid of, and that's why I don't like to see "battle plan" articles published.

re: #113 yma o hyd

Looks to me as if this headline is used to sex up an otherwise middle-of-the-road report.

IDF troups have been camped close to the Gazan boders for a few days now.
Nothing on ynet - and I seriously doubt the top brass on the IDF would leak their plans to a British newspaper.

Especially the Times (or the Guardian or the Independent.)

/now the Sun would be DIFFERENT, right?!

Guys, I've been looking at that freak's channel page, and couldn't find a way to report him (there's one link to report his image profile). I don't even want to click on his satanic videos to find out a report user link is there.

re: #121 Killian Bundy

You want to start getting in now.

I'm already in, but there's some money I want to get back out. I'm kinda stuck until the economy recovers.

re: #92 itellu3times

The only reason I can think of for them to do it, is to prove that they can, try out new tactics.

There is nothing for a ground force to do, in Gaza.

... unless Israel wanted to reoccupy it with a thought to administering it for a while and turning it over to Fatah. I mean the PA, does anyone think that is a good idea?

Not a great idea, but probably much better than leaving remnants of the poisonous Hamas weeds to regrow.

I'd be willing to bet the Egyptian government is in favor of it....

re: #128 jwb7605

I'm thinking their "position to repel the invasion" would be deeper entrenchment behing the women and children they are already using as shields.

I'm not kidding. That's what I'm afraid of, and that's why I don't like to see "battle plan" articles published.

Don't worry. There is only one sure thing about published invasion plans. They are never real.

re: #127 Alouette

Mazal tov to you!

My 22nd grandchild was born last week.

Holy Cow! Christmas shopping must be a year round thing!
Plus that's around 2 birthdays a month.

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

There is plenty for a ground force to do in Gaza; further destroy that portion of the tunnel infrastructure which survived the aerial attacks, find the Hamas leaders and facilities which survived the attacks thus far and take them out, and enable all those people who had so much fun jumping through flaming truck tires to get their raisins quickly.

So, if the Hamas leaders are disguised as nurse and hiding in hospitals, IDF is going to search the hospital?

If their info is that good, and that is their intention, more power to them. But I doubt both parts of that. Actually, on second thought, I doubt the wisdom of such a move, even given the info, intention, and capability.

If there is someone Israel wants, they should publicly demand they be turned over. If they get them that way, that has 100x the impact of grabbing them. It gives the Palis some way of responding positively. Of course it won't happen easily, but it gives some POINT to the entire exercise, which right now it lacks.

re: #112 Age Of Freedom

how do you report a user in YouTube...?

First, you have to have (or create) a YouTube account.
There's a "Report" link at the top-left of that little creep's main page.
Click it.

re: #107 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Dorian just got it, on the prior thread.

Charles had warned him before.

doriangrey exploded on the other thread

re: #129 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Especially the Times (or the Guardian or the Independent.)

/now the Sun would be DIFFERENT, right?!

Totally :-)))
it would be hidden somewhere inside, after all the news of half-naked, drunken celebs falling out of their skimpy dresses ...

re: #138 lifeofthemind

doriangrey exploded on the other thread

Over what?

re: #138 lifeofthemind

doriangrey exploded on the other thread

He did a while back, and Charles had to turn off the comments on that thread to get it to stop. Charles told him not to do it again, and he just did. Dorian was then promptly banned, for good reason.

re: #36 yochanan

making jews the old fashioned ways

Heh.

re: #140 Nevergiveup

Over what?

Dorian was saying we have to outlaw Islam in the US.

re: #136 pre-Boomer Marine brat

First, you have to have (or create) a YouTube account.
There's a "Report" link at the top-left of that little creep's main page.
Click it.

I have an account.
That link is only reporting his profile image violation. Is that reporting his avatar or actual account?

re: #108 Lincolntf

I think they might be doing it largely because nothing else has a chance to permanently effect change in the situation. I can't imagine that they want to do it, but what else is there? Eventually, air power has it's limits against small groups of individuals hiding in a sprawling urban mess. So-called "carpet bombing" is not a realistic option in this battle.
I don't know if they intend to retake control, but if they can kill or physically drive the bulk of Hamas out of the area ( maybe into Egypt, maybe into wherever they can smuggle themselves), then that will be an improvement that was worth the effort.

The "bulk of Hamas" is 51% of the voters in Gaza.

re: #138 lifeofthemind

doriangrey exploded on the other thread

He was advocating banning all Muslims from airliners, wasn't he?

re: #146 Spiny Norman

He was advocating banning all Muslims from airliners, wasn't he?

Banning Muslims from the US entirely.

re: #113 yma o hyd

Very correct. Grain of salt should have been included.

re: #137 gclaghorn

Charles had warned him before.

Yes.

re: #140 Nevergiveup

Over what?

Suggesting that Islam be banned in the US.

re: #107 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Dorian just got it, on the prior thread.

Got what? The stick, or a time out?

re: #147 gclaghorn

Banning Muslims from the US entirely.

Oh, he got on a roll and couldn't just stop at commercial airline flights, eh?

re: #140 Nevergiveup

Over what?

Well now forgive me for not wanting to repeat it under the circumstances. Should I try pig-latin? Let us say that he failed to draw a distinction between the ideology of Islam and the practitioners of that creed.

re: #146 Spiny Norman

Banning practice of the r*ligion was the comment he got nailed for.

re: #151 Dianna

Got what? The stick, or a time out?

The stick.

re: #151 Dianna

Got what? The stick, or a time out?

"Blocked"
Not experienced enough here to know what that might mean.

re: #156 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Blocked"
Not experienced enough here to know what that might mean.

He is no longer welcome at LGF

re: #135 itellu3times

Ahem.
It is not beyond the realms of possibilities, is it, that the IDF has something similar to our SAS.
Those guys would go in and out, like a hot knife through butter, getting their targets in the process .. without tanks ...

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Will the religious right move to the Dems? I've never considered it a possibility but I haven't been following developments.

I really don't know how much influence Pat wields any more, to tell you the truth.

re: #138 lifeofthemind

doriangrey exploded on the other thread

what thread?

re: #145 itellu3times

Then send more tanks.

re: #160 Age Of Freedom

what thread?

The previous one.

Democrats (and I mean rank and file, leaders, unions, the whole lot of them) suck. And if your a Jew and vote for this party, your a douche.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

Sixty-two percent (62%) of Republicans back Israel’s decision to take military action against the Palestinians, but only half as many Democrats (31%) agree. A majority of Democrats (55%) say Israel should have tried to find a diplomatic solution first, a view shared by just 27% of Republicans.

While 75% of Republicans say Israel is an ally of the United States, just 55% of Democrats agree. Seven percent (7%) of Democrats say Israel is an enemy of America, but only one percent (1%) of Republicans say the same. For 21% of Republicans, Israel is somewhere in between, and 28% of Democrats agree.

[Link: idfspokesperson.com...]

neat blog by the IDF spokesman

Blocked is not the same as deleted since his comments are still in the history but I do not know if that is a distinction without a difference. I was more concerned about the screaming spat others were having around him, pity.

re: #145 itellu3times

The "bulk of Hamas" is 51% of the voters in Gaza.

If, perchance, there was another election in Gaza (today, tomorrow, next week), I wonder if Hamas would still have that much support. I'm guessing, not. I still think Fatah will be the ultimate beneficiary of all this.

re: #139 yma o hyd

Totally :-)))
it would be hidden somewhere inside, after all the news of half-naked, drunken celebs falling out of their skimpy dresses ...

Unless it was tossing bags of white feathers onto the deck of a French Navy vessel moored in the Thames.

/*pumps fist* ... *grins* ... *salute*

re: #136 pre-Boomer Marine brat

First, you have to have (or create) a YouTube account.
There's a "Report" link at the top-left of that little creep's main page.
Click it.

I've got a youtube account. I'm on this like stink on shit.

re: #163 SaneInMN

I love how they say "find a diplomatic solution first".
Uhhh, they've been doing that for as long as I've been alive.

re: #146 Spiny Norman

He was advocating banning all Muslims from airliners, wasn't he?

I think the last post was something about officially declaring Muslims a violent political movement (link).

That made me think of the Weathermen, Bill Ayers, and political dissent in general.
Bad idea for starters, and yes, I know a couple of "good Muslims".
I disagree with their faith, I don't want them deported or otherwise picked on.

re: #121 Killian Bundy

Why waste 3000 points? You want to start getting in now.

/I've been rock & rolling options all day

I started getting in 1000 points ago, and should have done more - but I'm still afraid the downside is not over, and 8000 again will preceed 10000 again. If I'm wrong, I'll just kick myself that much harder, for not having gone all-in at the bottom. Sigh.

The market internals now seem like they are back to normal, volatility is back within normal ranges, that's a good thing - as is the lower oil price.

re: #163 SaneInMN

A majority of Democrats (55%) say Israel should have tried to find a diplomatic solution first.

As if Israel hasn't tried, and tried, and tried for 60 years to get them to reach a diplomatic solution. As if Israel wouldn't accept a legitimate diplomatic solution in a microsecond if the Palis meant it.

re: #25 yochanan

off topic
you can call me gramps
grand son was born this after noon.

Congratulations, Gramps.

re: #163 SaneInMN

I have serious doubts about that whole poll. I'd like to see the questions and who they actually asked.

re: #163 SaneInMN

Democrats (and I mean rank and file, leaders, unions, the whole lot of them) suck. And if your a Jew and vote for this party, your a douche.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

Sixty-two percent (62%) of Republicans back Israel’s decision to take military action against the Palestinians, but only half as many Democrats (31%) agree. A majority of Democrats (55%) say Israel should have tried to find a diplomatic solution first, a view shared by just 27% of Republicans.

While 75% of Republicans say Israel is an ally of the United States, just 55% of Democrats agree. Seven percent (7%) of Democrats say Israel is an enemy of America, but only one percent (1%) of Republicans say the same. For 21% of Republicans, Israel is somewhere in between, and 28% of Democrats agree.

And yet, the Buchananites think they are the "real" GOP, eh?

re: #169 Lincolntf

I love how they say "find a diplomatic solution first".
Uhhh, they've been doing that for as long as I've been alive.

Diplospeak lexicon

intense = no wine at lunch
full and free exchange of views = we disagreed
full and frank exchange of views = we called each other a**holes
frank bordering on direct = it degenerated into a punch up

re: #144 Age Of Freedom

I have an account.
That link is only reporting his profile image violation. Is that reporting his avatar or actual account?

Oops. ... I don't know. I merely noticed it was there earlier, but didn't go beyond the "register a new account" screen which came up.

re: #136 pre-Boomer Marine brat

First, you have to have (or create) a YouTube account.
There's a "Report" link at the top-left of that little creep's main page.
Click it.

I'm going to reply again...
And if anyone else can jump up the answer that would be great too.

So: The "Report profile image violation" link, is reporting the user?

re: #177 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oops. ... I don't know. I merely noticed it was there earlier, but didn't go beyond the "register a new account" screen which came up.

k.

Should groups like the Weather Underground be banned?

re: #26 lifeofthemind

Israellycool is doing his separated at birth contest, go there for Gaza liveblogging also.

I'd vote for Vladimar Putin/Dobby the house elf.

re: #130 Age Of Freedom

Guys, I've been looking at that freak's channel page, and couldn't find a way to report him (there's one link to report his image profile). I don't even want to click on his satanic videos to find out a report user link is there.

Flag as "SPAM" if you flag as "hate speech" they will just ignore it.

I just saw we have a couple of new babies.

Am I a conservative or what because my first reaction to early January births is, "Darn, a couple of days earlier and they would have had the tax deduction for 2008."

;-)

Either way, the happiest times are when babies come.

re: #161 Lincolntf

Then send more tanks.

To do what? Israel announces over and over they are not at war "with the people of Gaza".

Olmert government is incoherent.

Tanks are no good in such a situation, certainly no better than bombs.

I just did a recon back to the last thread. Things really got rough over the flying Muslims.

re: #181 faraway

Should groups like the Weather Underground be banned?

Nope..Just jailed

re: #181 faraway

Should groups like the Weather Underground be banned?

no

re: #182 Cygnus

I'd vote for Vladimar Putin/Dobby the house elf.

Summit meeting
Putin and Obama both take their shirts off, cue mood music

Mission accomplished.

Thank you. This user has been reported.

re: #187 HoosierHoops

Nope..Just jailed

But... but... they are just expressing their political beliefs

re: #186 opnion

I just did a recon back to the last thread. Things really got rough over the flying Muslims.

Yea..Somebody should have hijacked the thread and turned it into a boob thread.

Is the ground war set to start tonight?
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

re: #189 lifeofthemind

Summit meeting
Putin and Obama both take their shirts off, cue mood music

they embrace into a fine Tango one offering and the other....whatever

From the Fox homepage:

"There is no chance. Is there any chance for fire to co-exist with the water?" said Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of the group's founding members.

Yousef added: "It's not about Israel, it's not about Hamas: it's about both ideologies."

[...]

"Islam is not the word of God," said Yousef. "If you want to be offended it's your problem. But you know something? Go study. Think for a second that I might be right. So wake up, look at your path, see where you're going. Are you really going to heaven with 72 virgins after you kill yourself and kill another 20 people?"

[...]

"The Hamas leadership, including my father, they're responsible; they're responsible for all the violence that happened from the organization. I know they describe it as reaction to Israeli aggression, but still, they are part of it and they had to make decisions in those operations against Israel (for) which there was the killing of many civilians."

re: #179 buzzsawmonkey

It's the pseudo-diplo-matic. They think they're engaging in diplomacy, but are doing nothing but extending and revising the conflict in favor of terrorists.

re: #181 faraway

Should groups like the Weather Underground be banned?

In my viewpoint, yes, since that group actually made and advertised a clip stating that their purpose was the violent overthrow of the government.

The REAL question is should groups like SDS be banned?

The analogy is whether a "minority" of Muslims, which we do in fact ban, arrest, and persecute should be equated with the 'parent' group.

I think this is Michael Moore's channel and he's just saying he's from Turkey.

re: #181 faraway

Should groups like the Weather Underground be banned?

A better question is should groups like that be infiltrated like the FBI did the KKK and Communists.

re: #191 faraway

But... but... they are just expressing their political beliefs

yes..you are correct...As long as they don't break the law.

re: #186 opnion

I just did a recon back to the last thread. Things really got rough over the flying Muslims.

You can say that again. At least one troll was smoked out of his hole in the process.

re: #25 yochanan

Mazel tov! May you and your family schlepp nachus!

re: #178 Age Of Freedom

I'm going to reply again...
And if anyone else can jump up the answer that would be great too.

So: The "Report profile image violation" link, is reporting the user?

No, that's just reporting a copyright violation on his "avatar" image.

I've been flagging his vids as "hateful or inciting violence". YouTube makes you explain why now (to prevent "abuse"), so I noted that he "was copying the titles and descriptions of the IDF videos in order to redirect viewers searching for the IDF videos to his anti-Semitic propaganda".

We'll wait and see if he gets a TOS block, or if I do.

re: #63 opnion

Hamas is now threatening a "Day of Wrath" over the bombardment.
Tells me that it is working.

I doubt it would even move the Hamas members.

When you're in Hamas, EVERY day is a "Day of Wrath".

PRAIRIE FIRE is written to communist-minded people,
independent organizers and anti-imperialists;

PRAIRIE FIRE is written to all sisters and brothers who are
engaged in armed struggle against the enemy. It is written to prisoners,
women's groups, collectives, study groups, workers' organizing committees,
communes, GI organizers, consciousness-raising groups, veterans, community groups and revolutionaries of all kinds;

We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men,
underground in the United States for more than four years" We are deeply
affected by the historic events of our time in the struggle against US
imperialism.

Our intention is to disrupt the empire ... to incapacitate it..., to attack from
the inside.

Our intention is to engage the enemy ... to wear away at him, to
harass him, to isolate him, to expose every weakness, to pounce, to reveal his vulnerability.

Just so we know what Bill Ayer's group is.

re: #199 Nevergiveup

A better question is should groups like that be infiltrated like the FBI did the KKK and Communists.

The Weathermen were infiltrated. It is through that insider that we know they sat around and planned the logistics of killing 25 million Americans who wouldn't convert to Marxism.

you and your zionist conspiracies, charles!

/sarc

re: #195 USCMSNE

From the Fox homepage:

You missed the most important part:

Yousef, 30, said he realized the true nature of Hamas and radical Islam during a stint in an Israeli prison. He renounced his Muslim faith, left his family behind in Ramallah and converted to Christianity.

re: #6 midwestgak

Do people really go to sites like this?

One of the subscribers calls itself "aryanfolk88" That should be all you need to know about what kind of people would visit that site.

re: #175 Spiny Norman

How many "Buchanities" actually exist, and what influence do they have on the Republican party, as compared to MoveOn, CodePink, George Soros, Media Matters, etc.'s influence on the Dems?

re: #192 HoosierHoops

Yea..Somebody should have hijacked the thread and turned it into a boob thread.

I agree, would have saved a lot of trouble.

re: #106 Killgore Trout

OT: God (via Pat Robertson) comes down with a case of Hopenchange....
Pat Robertson predicts socialism, rebound under Obama

God to Pat: 'Please go away and stop embarrassing Me.' (in other words, STFU)

re: #183 Alouette

Flag as "SPAM" if you flag as "hate speech" they will just ignore it.

Probably a better option than mine, sad to say.

re: #206 Silhouette

The Weathermen were infiltrated. It is through that insider that we know they sat around and planned the logistics of killing 25 million Americans who wouldn't convert to Marxism.

Yeah i know, but I hope we are still doing it and not being politically correct and not interfering with "religious" groups?

re: #199 Nevergiveup

A better question is should groups like that be infiltrated like the FBI did the KKK and Communists.

I suspect the FBI keeps that sort of info very close. If and when the Justice Department prosecutes, the facts about the role of the FBI may surface. Until then, why would the FBI want to make that known?

re: #185 itellu3times

But they are at war with Hamas, and a wise person once said.... "The "bulk of Hamas" is 51% of the voters in Gaza".

Some accounts say that the ground forces will face a sizable, dug-in standing army, I think tanks will be more than useful.

re: #204 looking closely

I doubt it would even move the Hamas members.

When you're in Hamas, EVERY day is a "Day of Wrath".

When you're Hamas
Your Hamas all the way
From your first day of wrath
To your last dying day.

re: #203 Spiny Norman

No, that's just reporting a copyright violation on his "avatar" image.

I've been flagging his vids as "hateful or inciting violence". YouTube makes you explain why now (to prevent "abuse"), so I noted that he "was copying the titles and descriptions of the IDF videos in order to redirect viewers searching for the IDF videos to his anti-Semitic propaganda".

We'll wait and see if he gets a TOS block, or if I do.

Flag the videos as "SPAM" with "misleading text." Flagging as "hate speech" and Youtube will give you a smarmy line that this applies only to "protected groups."

re: #215 unreconstructed rebel

I suspect the FBI keeps that sort of info very close. If and when the Justice Department prosecutes, the facts about the role of the FBI may surface. Until then, why would the FBI want to make that known?

Don't make it known but do it.

re: #204 looking closely

I doubt it would even move the Hamas members.

When you're in Hamas, EVERY day is a "Day of Wrath".

Right buit I think that this is for doestic consumption to keep their cred with the populace. Israel is handing Hamas their asses & they look weak.

hamas fires=hamas fires

About that poll...

Here is a link to the questions...

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

You have to be a member to access the crosstabs.

re: #210 SaneInMN

How many "Buchanities" actually exist, and what influence do they have on the Republican party, as compared to MoveOn, CodePink, George Soros, Media Matters, etc.'s influence on the Dems?

Judging from that Rasmussen poll, it looks like 1% in real numbers, but have a significant influence (at least in the eyes of the Media) because they "agree" with the fringe Left groups you cite (but for different reasons).

re: #171 itellu3times

I started getting in 1000 points ago, and should have done more - but I'm still afraid the downside is not over, and 8000 again will preceed 10000 again. If I'm wrong, I'll just kick myself that much harder, for not having gone all-in at the bottom. Sigh.

The market internals now seem like they are back to normal, volatility is back within normal ranges, that's a good thing - as is the lower oil price.

Gold is all over the place. [Link: www.kitco.com...]

re: #208 Alouette

Man, didn't Walid Shoebat convert for the same reasons? What is Israel feeding/doing for their enemies while they're in prison? Must be good stuff.

re: #201 freedombilly

You can say that again. At least one troll was smoked out of his hole in the process.

A lot went on over there.

re: #218 Alouette

Flag the videos as "SPAM" with "misleading text." Flagging as "hate speech" and Youtube will give you a smarmy line that this applies only to "protected groups."

Yeah, once my "please wait a few minutes before rating" limit is up, I'll do it that way instead.

Thanks.

re: #216 Lincolntf

But they are at war with Hamas, and a wise person once said.... "The "bulk of Hamas" is 51% of the voters in Gaza".

Some accounts say that the ground forces will face a sizable, dug-in standing army, I think tanks will be more than useful.

My military knowledge is "informal" but it includes the suggestion that one doesn't go head to head with any force if you don't have a darned good reason. Better to go around, or over, or fool them into going somewhere else. Israel had a bad time with prepared defenses in Lebanon. I don't believe Gaza is as well prepared, but again, this could be a test or demonstration or something. If so, I sure hope it's worth the cost.

re: #216 Lincolntf

But they are at war with Hamas, and a wise person once said.... "The "bulk of Hamas" is 51% of the voters in Gaza".

Some accounts say that the ground forces will face a sizable, dug-in standing army, I think tanks will be more than useful.

The question is how many Iranian anti-tank weapons the Hamas still has available to field.

The Hamas "army" may be sizable, but its certainly not particularly experienced, and it lacks air support. In any "normal" military action, Israel would quickly wipe the floor with them.

IDF's handicap on the ground in Gaza isn't the skill of the Hamas soldiers, its their ability to blend in with non-combatants coupled with the IDF's reluctance to create collateral damage.

re: #226 opnion

A lot went on over there.

some of my favorite antagonists have been bounce lately...I didnt think it was a big deal except some people just blow and cross over...the rules are abundantly clear....you never know

Thousands of shoes dumped on Miami freeway.

re: #220 opnion

Right buit I think that this is for doestic consumption to keep their cred with the populace. Israel is handing Hamas their asses & they look weak.

What I'm saying is that even THAT effect is probably limited.

They call for these "moments of rage" all the time. Another one probably isn't going to change anyone's motivation.

I'm flagging the videos.

Three molotov cocktails were thrown into the parking lot of Hadassah Ein Karem Medical Center in Jerusalem. No injuries or damage were reported. Police have launched an investigation.

ROPMA = losers.
Can't even do this right ... thank God!

(Who else would throw molotov cocktails into a Hospital car park? Buddhists?)

"terroristisrial?" What? Are call for Death to all Juice?

re: #229 looking closely

The question is how many Iranian anti-tank weapons the Hamas still has available to field.

The Hamas "army" may be sizable, but its certainly not particularly experienced, and it lacks air support. In any "normal" military action, Israel would quickly wipe the floor with them.

IDF's handicap on the ground in Gaza isn't the skill of the Hamas soldiers, its their ability to blend in with non-combatants coupled with the IDF's reluctance to create collateral damage.

if you're armed your a IDF target...it can be no other way...it's sad for the kids and the non-Hamas supporters which there must be...

By the way, what this moron is doing at YouTube is a lot like what the scumbags at LGF2 do.

re: #231 Alouette

/Iraqi reporters are suing the company.

re: #231 Alouette

Thousands of shoes dumped on Miami freeway.

Aww - these shoes belonged to a group training for shoe-throwing, the newest game, just introduced from Iraq. And now they've lost their throwing equipment ...

re: #223 Spiny Norman

"...at least in the eyes of the media" is your money quote. Remember, what individual is the must get interview for a typical MSM reporter? (and consequently, represents the "acceptable Republican" for the MSM)

Answer?

The lifelong Republican ___________, who either is not voting for a Republican, is opposing a Republican President's policies, or pens a Republican bashing book or article.

And this individual does not need to espouse MSM acceptable beliefs on all issues. No, this individual is a useful idiot for the issue at hand. Buchanan is a perfect example. His beliefs regarding abortion, the border, gun control, etc. in no way match the ideals held by the MSM. However, he hates Jews and Israel, a stance which most the of MSM share, and therefore, can speak for "Republicans" on this issue.

re: #208 Alouette

That is pretty much the story of all "moderate" Mohammedans. They quit being "Mohammedans" when they become "moderate". Which quite often means fleeing from their own families, who would kill them for apostacy.

re: #241 Iron Fist

He didn't become a moderate Muslim; he became a Christian.

re: #230 albusteve

some of my favorite antagonists have been bounce lately...I didnt think it was a big deal except some people just blow and cross over...the rules are abundantly clear....you never know

I think that the issue is to avoid someone taking an over the top comment & palming it off as representative of LGF. At least that's my impression. Things get said in the heat of the debate that you would reconsider later. I've done it & wished that I had used better phraseology.

re: #217 itellu3times

When you're Hamas
Your Hamas all the way
From your first day of wrath
To your last dying day.

Upding for the West Side Story Reference.

re: #242 Silhouette

That was kind of my point. "Moderate" Muslims appear to be as fanciful as Obama's purple Unicorns. Truly "moderate" people wind up rejecting Mohammedanism.

re: #220 opnion

Right buit I think that this is for doestic consumption to keep their cred with the populace. Israel is handing Hamas their asses & they look weak.

You have to be able to code-switch to run an operation like Gaza. The activisty crowd in the West and some of the donors elsewhere in the Middle East want "we are starving, we are sobbing in the streets, we are overwhelmingly outnumbered, we are going to die right NOW if you don't help". The crowd at home, plus the rest of the donors need to hear "We will crush them, we will drive them out, they are SO sc***d."

Keeping track of whether you're a pathetic colonialized wreck or a triumphant warrior of the faith must be a full-time gig. I wonder if you can program a BlackBerry to track it for you.

re: #237 Charles

By the way, what this moron is doing at YouTube is a lot like what the scumbags at LGF2 do.

LGF2? Yikes. . . I wasn't aware of that until now.

Losers.

If they hate you so much, then why are they piggybacking on your work and good name? (Don't answer. . .its a rhetorical question).

re: #234 yma o hyd

Three molotov cocktails were thrown into the parking lot of Hadassah Ein Karem Medical Center in Jerusalem. No injuries or damage were reported. Police have launched an investigation.

ROPMA = losers.
Can't even do this right ... thank God!

(Who else would throw molotov cocktails into a Hospital car park? Buddhists?)

"It's a Zen meditation ritual. The monks used to do it before they went into battle."

"What kind of Buddhism is this, Otto?"

I just clicked to one of this users vids, which was put up yesterday. It has the "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation" blurb at the top but was still there when I clicked, so it must have just been pulled.

re: #247 looking closely

If its any consolation, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

re: 212 Cygnus

re: #106 Killgore Trout

OT: God (via Pat Robertson) comes down with a case of Hopenchange....
Pat Robertson predicts socialism, rebound under Obama

God to Pat: 'Please go away and stop embarrassing Me.'

It's not only the atheists, but Christians also sometimes pray: "God, please save me from Your followers."

Late last night, early morning EST, while several LGF ers were posting and monitoring Ynet,
It was hacked!
Israeli Domain Registration Server Hacked

re: #245 Iron Fist

That was kind of my point. "Moderate" Muslims appear to be as fanciful as Obama's purple Unicorns. Truly "moderate" people wind up rejecting Mohammedanism.

I disagree. What I do see, though, is that Muslims who are not political crazies tend to not be wildly political, at least not in the area of Islam. They work jobs, send the kids to school, raise money for a school library, go to the mosque social, and keep their distance from the nutjobs. What people like me (for example), keep wanting to see is the rise of, I dunno, the Muslim version of Reform and Conservative Judaism, highly politically active, aggressively denouncing violent jihadniks, and organizing to support those who fight them. Largely, that doesn't happen. People who do get into that kind of thing tend to be people who have either left the community, or are marginal to it in some way, and some of them, honestly, although I think they are earnest, are a little too happy with all the attention the non-Muslims give them. They're not rebuilding Islam, they're getting pats from other political activists for bashing it. The major exception I can think of is Irshad Manji, whose 'ijtihad' concept, I think, could go a long way--but one woman doesn't a movement make.

It reminds me, in an indirect way, of the attempts of non-Orthodox Anglo Jews to get Israelis involved in building Reform and Conservative movements in Israel. There just hasn't been that much interest, although most Israelis are religiously observant in a way that resembles the Reform/Conservative pattern. But still, your third-generation Israeli Mizrahi type doesn't want to agitate in the street for Conservative rabbis to be recognized, he's OK watching TV on Shabbat afternoon, and occasionally dropping into an Orthodox synagogue.

We may need to figure out ways to approach this, rather than waiting endlessly for a moderate Muslim uprising, and getting disillusioned when it doesn't arrive.

re: #198 freedombilly

I think this is Michael Moore's channel and he's just saying he's from Turkey.

Did he say from, or he just ate a whole 24 pound Turkey...Alone?

I'm sure YouTube will fix this problem.

/sarc

New to the actual commentary process, long-time LGF fan.

Disinformation is the forte of the Arab World and it's minions. It's almost of 100% certainty that this culture will blame anyone and everyone else for their problems but themselves.

Abba Ebban said something like; " they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

I just flagged all the vids as Spam - misleading text

re: #257 PloniAlmoni

Atta boy- good job.

LGF2: "Charles Free Footballs", what a joke. It looks like such a silly site too. This copythug even takes pictures of California and posts them to make the site look like LGF, except with inverted colors.