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1 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:39:31pm

All replicants please report to level B-9.

2 tedzilla99  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:39:48pm

Amazing how we haven't heard a peep from obamessiah about the Gaza situation

Oh and happy Saturday evening :)

3 blame canada  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:39:54pm

Blow up a hamas mosque- AND THEY DOCK YA!

4 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:39:57pm

Second!

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:39:59pm

Hmmm...

Are we going to get docked for missing sarc tags?

6 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:40:04pm

Suddenly I feel nostalgia

7 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:40:06pm

oops

8 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:40:15pm

Whew... Breathing room.

9 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:40:15pm

Oh goody..a fresh new thread to play in.

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:40:48pm

Yeah, my computer was making hacking noises. It does that when the threads get over a thousand.

11 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:41:14pm

re: #2 tedzilla99

Amazing how we haven't heard a peep from obamessiah about the Gaza situation

Oh and happy Saturday evening :)

Fear not, we will hear more than we want too in a few weeks...

12 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:41:50pm

re: #10 EmmmieG

Yeah, my computer was making hacking noises. It does that when the threads get over a thousand.

Mine harfs up a hair ball and reboots...

13 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:42:03pm

Good night, all.

14 bosforus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:42:07pm

Awesome movie.
Ya know, for kids!

15 blame canada  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:42:18pm

Respond with disproportionate force- AND THEY DOCK YA!

16 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:42:34pm

Bureaucracy -- the bane of humanity.

Funny thing... all those folks who want to restructure American business to be like it was in the 1950s -- heavily unionized and bureaucratized -- will be working under rules like that.

17 melinwy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:42:49pm

re: #11 Desert Dog

Fear not, we will hear more than we want too in a few weeks...

not just more, I'm thinking not what we will agree with.
I hope I am wrong though. I did hear where a Lizard said
he will go with however the wind blows...so go IDF!

18 Magalaga Ding Dong  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:44:09pm

Reminds me of the movie Brazil for some reason. I should see this movie.

19 Fearless Fred  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:44:36pm

I hate big brother so much ... to a fault even maybe.

20 6pat6  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:44:42pm

Oh, boy, an overnight open thread! This looks like fun! Ohboyohboyohboy!

21 blame canada  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:44:48pm

Kill a hamas/nazi bigbeard and his 4 wifes- & THEY DOCK YA!

22 6pat6  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:44:57pm

re: #19 Fearless Fred

The show sucks too

23 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:45:12pm

re: #17 melinwy

not just more, I'm thinking not what we will agree with.
I hope I am wrong though. I did hear where a Lizard said
he will go with however the wind blows...so go IDF!

I agree...his "image" is more important than any deeply held belief. I did not think we'd see another politician as superficial as Slick Willie, but low and behold, we have found one.

24 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:45:42pm

Charles?

Are you feeling a bit...bitter? This is the second really upsetting quote you've posted for an overnight.

25 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:46:36pm

NOAM!

How's life treating you, Noamie?

26 6pat6  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:46:40pm

re: #2 tedzilla99

Amazing how we haven't heard a peep from obamessiah about the Gaza situation

His voice is almost as bad as The Shrill One. Four years of BHO talking about BHO is going to get old...right at the start of his Inaugural Address!

27 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:46:43pm

You have an appointment with Information Retrieval.

28 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:47:13pm

re: #4 LeePro

Second! Fouth!

;)

*Cough* *Cough*

29 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:47:16pm

re: #24 Dianna

I liked the Klaus Kinski one. I think it was affection disguised as animosity.
But, I've been wrong a lot lately.

30 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:47:18pm
Youtube Video
31 melinwy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:47:22pm

re: #23 Desert Dog

I agree...his "image" is more important than any deeply held belief. I did not think we'd see another politician as superficial as Slick Willie, but low and behold, we have found one.

scary on all sorts of levels, with what is going on in the world today.
Clinton didn't have nearly the urgency as I think bambi will

32 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:47:55pm

Man...

From a clock puncher in the now...

"Ouch."

33 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:48:04pm

re: #17 melinwy

not just more, I'm thinking not what we will agree with.
I hope I am wrong though. I did hear where a Lizard said
he will go with however the wind blows...so go IDF!

"The answer my friend, is blowin' in the wind, the answer is blowin' in the wind"

34 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:48:12pm

[Link: labrusca.blogspot.com...]

Bad advertising.

35 6pat6  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:48:32pm

BHO makes either Clinton positively Mother Teresa-ish.

36 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:48:48pm

re: #19 Fearless Fred

I hate big brother so much ... to a fault even maybe.

There was a host of children's TV in Boston, who went by the name "Big Brother". I used to watch his show when I was growing up.

37 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:49:35pm

re: #33 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


GO BLUE STAR!

38 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:49:42pm

Does anyone here have experience using a Japanese style saw?
I am thinking of picking one up. I hear they are good for precise cuts.

39 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:50:04pm

re: #13 Noam Sayin'

Blow a kiss to your mouse for me!

40 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:50:28pm

"... And don't F* up the TPS reports!"

41 blame canada  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:50:37pm

The dying days of the bush presidency. Soon Obama will be pres, they'll close down guantanamo, and release the political prisonres from guantanamo. Whoo-hoo! The world will admire us again, and we will peace and tranquillity as in the days of yore during the reign of BJ Clinton

42 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:52:18pm

Mail Room Orienter, The Hudsucker Proxy

Not unlike
A Night in the box

Youtube Video
43 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:52:46pm

re: #38 rawmuse


Very nice, since the cut is made on the Pull vs. the Push which has much more control...meaning more control on the cut...that help?

44 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:52:51pm

Anybody celebrate New Year's Eve this way? Gee, we miss all the fun.

France's New Year's Tradition: Car-Burning

According to figures from the French Interior Ministry, 1,147 cars went up in smoke on New Year's Eve - a 30% rise on the 879 autos torched the same night in 2007. As often is the case, the worst-hit areas were the disadvantaged neighborhoods that sit beyond the suburban peripheries of most French cities.

Asshats burn cars when they are already disadvantaged (as they claim repeatedly).

45 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:53:09pm

re: #35 6pat6

BHO makes either Clinton positively Mother Teresa-ish.

The world events swirling around Obama will prove him to be not much more than an egret riding around on the back of a rhino. But true to form, he will think he is actually steering the thing.

46 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:53:28pm

re: #42 solomonpanting

Cool Hand Luke...a classic!

47 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:53:43pm

I don't care what happens after I get to work just as long as I have enough coffee before I get there. Friday mornings doesn't take as much as the four Mondays of the week.

48 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:54:13pm

re: #36 Kosh's Shadow

There was a host of children's TV in Boston, who went by the name "Big Brother". I used to watch his show when I was growing up.

Remember Rex Trailer?

49 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:54:29pm

re: #43 nightwatch

Yeah, gonna try one out if I can find one. I am doing some hand cutting woodwork, and none of my saws are right for the job.

50 Kragar  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:54:32pm

re: #40 Mich-again

"... And don't F* up the TPS reports!"

I've got 5 bosses, Bob.

51 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:55:13pm

U.S. Blocks U.N. Statement Calling for Gaza Cease-Fire

The United States late Saturday blocked approval of a U.N. Security Council statement calling for an immediate cease-fire in the Gaza Strip and southern Israel and expressing concern at the escalation of violence between Israel and Hamas.


Way to go GWB, Condi and Zalmay!

52 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:55:39pm

Joe Biden was right. The world will test Obama early.

And once he is President he won't just be able to vote "present" anymore.

53 Fearless Fred  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:55:59pm

re: #19 Fearless Fred

... to such fault that I weird out and relate to this as uber anti-authoritarian

54 melinwy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:56:16pm

Night Lizards.
Happy New Year
Go IDF
Israel
the Free world.
the civilized people of the world!
for truly that is what Israel is fighting
for, not just themselves, but for people
who believe being human is being
civilized...

55 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:56:17pm

Do a newscast with a Throbbing Memo and they dock you!

56 Clemente  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:56:40pm

re: #7 LeePro

oops

"Misstate your post number, they dock you!"

/automatically deducted from your Zionist check ;)

57 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:56:48pm

re: #49 rawmuse

Yeah, gonna try one out if I can find one. I am doing some hand cutting woodwork, and none of my saws are right for the job.

They've gotten quite common nowadays -- Home Depot, Lowe's, and Sears all carry them now.

58 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:56:59pm

re: #48 SurferDoc

Remember Rex Trailer?

Yes. He was going to make an appearance at a shopping center, and my relatives took me. Then the crowd was too big and he canceled.

I still watched, but I don't go to stupid appearances like that any more.

59 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:57:09pm

I for one welcome our new Insect Overlords

60 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:57:12pm

re: #44 ciaospirit

Anybody celebrate New Year's Eve this way? Gee, we miss all the fun.

France's New Year's Tradition: Car-Burning

Asshats burn cars when they are already disadvantaged (as they claim repeatedly).

Youts Gone Feral! Now showing every night in Paris!

61 Ledger1  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:57:42pm

I am beginning to see a reason for the high number of burned cars in France. It is an insurance fraud where the owners could get a new car.

[New Years eve Car-B-Q]

There is an impression of "calm", since there was no major incident to report. But this is counterbalanced by a negative find: 1147 burnt-out cars, or 30% more than last year, even though the police were out in force (35,000 men deployed). Two hundred eighty persons were arrested...

Europe 1 suggests that some of the cars were burned by their owners:
Gérard Gachet cites possible "insurance fraud" to explain the higher figures on New Year's Eve. "When cars burn in places where everything is calm," one may wonder if "certain persons" did not want to take advantage of the "new indemnity regulations" that are part of the law on compensating victims." He added that "the experts would be able to say upon examining the cars." (...)

See: Brussels Journal

See: France Car-B-Q post

62 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:57:46pm

re: #52 Mich-again

Joe Biden was right. The world will test Obama early.

And once he is President he won't just be able to vote "present" anymore.

They're testing him already. He's voting "absent".

63 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:57:49pm

re: #51 JCM

U.S. Blocks U.N. Statement Calling for Gaza Cease-Fire


Way to go GWB, Condi and Zalmay!

Was just getting ready to post that myself. Great news.

64 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:57:56pm

re: #46 Desert Dog

Cool Hand Luke...a classic!

"What we have here is a failure to communicate."

65 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:57:59pm

re: #47 WayDownSouthInBama

Working 4 to 5 12's a week! A WORK-OUT! But, at least I'm working,,,and thanks bee..

66 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:58:13pm

re: #58 Kosh's Shadow

Yes. He was going to make an appearance at a shopping center, and my relatives took me. Then the crowd was too big and he canceled.

I still watched, but I don't go to stupid appearances like that any more.

He had a great holster rig with a knife on one side. I wanted one like that.

67 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:58:51pm

re: #38 rawmuse

Does anyone here have experience using a Japanese style saw?
I am thinking of picking one up. I hear they are good for precise cuts.

If you have a steady hand they cut better than any push-style saw. What are you going to cut?

68 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:59:37pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Youts Gone Feral! Now showing every night in Paris!

I hear these are all the "rage" in gay Paris these days...oui, oui, mon amie, pass le chocolate

69 jorline  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 9:59:44pm

re: #46 Desert Dog

Cool Hand Luke...a classic!

Great movie.

Youtube Video
70 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:00:52pm

re: #49 rawmuse


"Fine Wood Working" Mags have many good sites for these type of saws.

71 Emperor Norton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:01:37pm

Has Car and Driver ever determined which cars burn the best? My guess would be Peugeots.

72 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:01:47pm

re: #38 rawmuse

I haven't used the saws, but the Japanese steel shears I have used are AWESOME. Made for Bonsai trimming. You might look for a good Japanese Nursery in your area.

73 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:02:28pm

re: #29 rawmuse

I liked the Klaus Kinski one. I think it was affection disguised as animosity.
But, I've been wrong a lot lately.

I don't know. I read it as really venomous. It rather upset me.

74 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:02:58pm

Hello Lizards! It's early Sunday in Near Iowa.

How are you-all?

75 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:03:30pm

re: #38 rawmuse


You're not too far from this store.

They'll show you anything and everything you need to know.

76 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:03:39pm

re: #71 Emperor Norton

Has Car and Driver ever determined which cars burn the best? My guess would be Peugeots.

I vote for a Blazer or a Firebird

77 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:03:57pm

re: #73 Dianna
Happy New Year...:}

78 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:03:57pm

re: #61 Ledger1

I am beginning to see a reason for the high number of burned cars in France. It is an insurance fraud where the owners could get a new car.

[New Years eve Car-B-Q]

There is an impression of "calm", since there was no major incident to report. But this is counterbalanced by a negative find: 1147 burnt-out cars, or 30% more than last year, even though the police were out in force (35,000 men deployed). Two hundred eighty persons were arrested...

Europe 1 suggests that some of the cars were burned by their owners:
Gérard Gachet cites possible "insurance fraud" to explain the higher figures on New Year's Eve. "When cars burn in places where everything is calm," one may wonder if "certain persons" did not want to take advantage of the "new indemnity regulations" that are part of the law on compensating victims." He added that "the experts would be able to say upon examining the cars." (...)

See: Brussels Journal

See: France Car-B-Q post

Are you sure you want to source Brussels Journal? They have premium ads from Fiordman. I'm not sure they're really on our side.

79 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:04:15pm

re: #67 solomonpanting

If you have a steady hand they cut better than any push-style saw. What are you going to cut?

I am making a stamd for my upright bass. I have the plans all sketched out. I made an attempt today, but the wood is hard and my saws are not the best. I am working in my garage, where I have almost no power tools, nothing more than some drills and an orbital sander. If I had a table saw that would be perfect, one that does mitered cuts.

80 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:05:03pm

New Senator to be Michael Bennet of CO. (He's Denver's public schools superintendent.) Notice there is no mention of experience or actual qualifications for the Senate job. But who cares about that?

"This is a critical time in history. The economic challenges facing America and Colorado are unprecedented," Ritter said in a written statement. "Our challenges are so serious that it will take a new generation of leaders, a new way of thinking and a bold new approach to problem-solving to steer us through this."

Obama said in a statement that Bennet would be "a breath of fresh air in Washington."

"Michael Bennet perfectly reflects the qualities of the ruggedly independent state he has been chosen to serve," Obama said.

81 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:05:28pm

Check out the losers in Seattle!

82 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:05:40pm

re: #63 ciaospirit

Was just getting ready to post that myself. Great news.

from your link:
"From 2001 through May 2008, Hamas launched more than 3,000 Qassam rockets and 2,500 mortar attacks against Israeli targets."

Just some isolated guerillas. . . .

83 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:06:09pm

re: #74 ggt
Thinking wine or oranges...what be your tell?

84 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:06:34pm

re: #75 solomonpanting

Nice stuff! Bookmarked.

85 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:06:36pm

re: #81 JCM

Check out the losers in Seattle!

You should turn on the Starbucks Expresso hose on them and wash them away

86 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:06:58pm

re: #77 nightwatch

Happy New Year...:}

And to you!

87 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:07:37pm

re: #80 ciaospirit

New Senator to be Michael Bennet of CO. (He's Denver's public schools superintendent.) Notice there is no mention of experience or actual qualifications for the Senate job. But who cares about that?

Just what we need, education majors in government. Peter Principle anyone?

88 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:08:28pm

re: #87 ggt

The CIC?

89 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:08:35pm

re: #83 nightwatch

Thinking wine or oranges...what be your tell?

My tell?

William and I get to shoot the cannon.

90 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:09:01pm

So, am I totally off base thinking this is like a new chess game starting?

Israel moves into Gaza and then soon into Lebanon, while Iran counters with Hamas and then Hezbollah, and possibly Syria as its pawns and knights and bishops.

91 Palandine  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:09:26pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've got 5 bosses, Bob.

(Samir, talking to Michael Bolton)
"So, why don't you just go by 'Mike"?"
"Why should I change MY name? He's the one who sucks!"

/damn it feels good to be a gangster

92 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:09:33pm

re: #80 ciaospirit

Will someone please inform these people that Marxism is not a fresh, new idea?

93 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:09:54pm

re: #88 nightwatch

The CIC?

yep. I think those education majors are going to figure out real quit that the addage "Those who can't do . . ." might just fit them.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:10:10pm

re: #80 ciaospirit

Going once, going twice, sold to the buyer from Colorado!

95 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:10:28pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Youts Gone Feral! Now showing every night in Paris!

And they probably speak two languages. Which is Obama's yardstick of smarts.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:10:28pm

re: #87 ggt

Just what we need, education majors in government. Peter Principle anyone?

Actually, I think he's a lawyer by training. Earlier, I was reading the article and thinking "Great, people who've never taught controlling education..."

97 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:10:43pm

re: #90 Shay4l

So, am I totally off base thinking this is like a new chess game starting?

Israel moves into Gaza and then soon into Lebanon, while Iran counters with Hamas and then Hezbollah, and possibly Syria as its pawns and knights and bishops.

hubby kept saying that Israel was going to do something before GWB left office. guess he was right.

98 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:10:54pm

re: #92 rawmuse

Will someone please inform these people that Marxism is not a fresh, new idea?

It's never been done quite right... just a few more eggs and they'll get it right.

99 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:11:14pm

re: #89 ggt
I will fill the 50 gallon drum with body forming sand in prep for your shot!...:}...Question? Should I wear the HAT!?

100 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:11:18pm

re: #51 JCM Hey JCM! Thank you for that! And I loved this excerpt from your link:

The Bush administration on Saturday blamed the more than week-old onslaught in Gaza squarely on Hamas militants.

A State Department official said the U.S. is working toward a cease-fire but provided no details on how this can be accomplished because the U.S. does not talk to Hamas. Spokesman Sean McCormack said a cease-fire is needed that will not allow Hamas to continue firing rockets into Israel. McCormack said "it's obvious the cease-fire should take place as soon as possible," but it has to be sustainable and cannot allow Hamas to continue to launch rockets out of Gaza.

101 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:11:41pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, I think he's a lawyer by training. Earlier, I was reading the article and thinking "Great, people who've never taught controlling education..."

You are right. I don't mean to diss actual teachers. It's the over-edumacated administrators that I can't stand.

102 marinegrunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:11:42pm

Too funny to let it slip by.
paste on your browser window

codepinkforpeaceDOTCOM

103 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:11:54pm

re: #98 JCM

It's never been done quite right... just a few more eggs and they'll get it right.

I agree...another 70-80 million people slaughtered in the name of egalitarianism should do the trick...

104 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:12:05pm

re: #92 rawmuse

Will someone please inform these people that Marxism is not a fresh, new idea?

You can keep your Marxist ways, for it's only just a phase.
It's money, money, money that makes the world go round.
-- Monty Python, the Money Programme

105 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:12:23pm

re: #81 JCM

Check out the losers in Seattle!

I wonder if those two would think differently if they lived in Sderot.

106 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:12:25pm

re: #98 JCM

It's never been done quite right... just a few more eggs and they'll get it right.

needs garlic.

:0

107 Ledger1  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:12:28pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

I was trying to determine the possible cause for the high number of burned cars in France - and the relative lack of out rage. That article was just picked at random. Insurance fraud sounds likely.

In the USA if you are caught in insurance fraud it is serious matter. But, that may not be the case in France where practically everything is socialized.

108 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:12:37pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Are you sure you want to source Brussels Journal? They have premium ads from Fiordman. I'm not sure they're really on our side.

People refer to Huffpo, Kos and DU in here frequently. The source is not endorsed but the possible story needs to be noted and further investigated. The motives of the referrer may be suspect but that is the problem with crime. People you like don't know about it.

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:12:39pm

re: #98 JCM

It's never been done quite right... just a few more eggs and they'll get it right.

I think that's the principle behind the Avakian people.

I just keep quoting what I said when I quit a job working for rather a famous left-winger: "It's a great world he envisions. I would like to live there. But if Lenin couldn't get us there, I don't think Rabbi X can either."

110 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:12:40pm

re: #98 JCM

I saw a picture of my neighborhood from the 1970s. All the houses had iron bars on the windows. Today there are none. I wonder if the iron bars will be coming back soon. Crime is sharply up here.

111 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:13:01pm

re: #99 nightwatch

I will fill the 50 gallon drum with body forming sand in prep for your shot!...:}...Question? Should I wear the HAT!?

yellow and HARD

112 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:13:24pm

re: #102 marinegrunt


If you be... then thank you for your service...Semp-Fi

113 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:13:31pm

re: #90 Shay4l

So, am I totally off base thinking this is like a new chess game starting?

Israel moves into Gaza and then soon into Lebanon, while Iran counters with Hamas and then Hezbollah, and possibly Syria as its pawns and knights and bishops.

Hamas is dead proxy army walking. If Hexbollah pulls anything, the counterstrike is in Damascus.

Iran doesn't want any part of an actual war. All they know is terrorism. When the Mullahs are the ones getting terrorized, they got nothing,

114 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:13:45pm

re: #98 JCM

It's never been done quite right... just a few more eggs and they'll get it right.

Sure, fine, but they get to be the egg this time. Oh, wait it's always somebody else who gets to be the egg? Some...unimportant, nameless person. Someobdy without a brilliant education and exciting new ideas.

Of course, being totally serious here, the egg was a somebody to their family, and meant something to at least one person.

115 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:14:07pm

re: #100 realwest

Hey JCM! Thank you for that! And I loved this excerpt from your link:

Thank G-d GWD and State are getting it right!

116 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:14:12pm

re: #102 marinegrunt

Too funny to let it slip by.
paste on your browser window

codepinkforpeaceDOTCOM

How did that happen?

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:14:17pm

re: #105 MandyManners

I wonder if those two would think differently if they lived in Sderot.


Yes.

118 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:14:37pm

re: #107 Ledger1

I was trying to determine the possible cause for the high number of burned cars in France - and the relative lack of out rage. That article was just picked at random. Insurance fraud sounds likely.

In the USA if you are caught in insurance fraud it is serious matter. But, that may not be the case in France where practically everything is socialized.

It'd be a nice scam --behind on your payments, want a new car, hire a arab-looking yout to burn your car. Nice racket actually, how much of a cut do you think the yout and his pimp would get?

119 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:14:49pm

re: #111 ggt


Then the 80 gallon drum it is!

120 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:14:49pm

re: #69 jorline
Hey jorline! How are you doing tonight my friend?

121 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:15:10pm

re: #108 lifeofthemind

People refer to Huffpo, Kos and DU in here frequently. The source is not endorsed but the possible story needs to be noted and further investigated. The motives of the referrer may be suspect but that is the problem with crime. People you like don't know about it.

Good point.

122 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:15:11pm

re: #110 rawmuse

I saw a picture of my neighborhood from the 1970s. All the houses had iron bars on the windows. Today there are none. I wonder if the iron bars will be coming back soon. Crime is sharply up here.

I live on the 5th floor, by the time the little sod shinny's up the rain pipe, I'm ready...:)

123 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:15:13pm

re: #101 ggt

You are right. I don't mean to diss actual teachers. It's the over-edumacated administrators that I can't stand.

A Teacher teaches but desk jockeys gets to call themselves "Educators."

124 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:15:51pm

re: #103 Desert Dog

I agree...another 70-80 million people slaughtered in the name of egalitarianism should do the trick...

And it is good for the carbon footprint!

125 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:16:20pm

re: #120 realwest

RW, how ya' doin'?

126 jorline  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:16:52pm

Hamas told the Palestinian people of Gaza that they would bring Hope and Change...holy crap!

127 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:17:01pm

re: #124 lifeofthemind

Mmmm. Marxism. So good for the environment.

Always loved this site:

[Link: www.kiddofspeed.com...]

128 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:17:02pm

Good night all...the lovely Mrs. Desert Dog is flashing the lights, time for bed...

129 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:17:21pm

I have lost the ability to type or spell.

Bedtime!

130 nightwatch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:17:24pm

Night to ya lizards...:}

131 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:17:30pm

From the previous thread.

RESIDENTS of a model housing estate bankrolled by Hollywood celebrities and hand-built by Jimmy Carter, the former US president, are complaining that it is falling apart.

Fairway Oaks was built on northern Florida wasteland by 10,000 volunteers, including Carter, in a record 17-day “blitz” organised by the charity Habitat for Humanity.

Eight years later it is better known for cockroaches, mildew and mysterious skin rashes.

A forthcoming legal battle over Fairway Oaks threatens the reputation of a charity envied for the calibre of its celebrity supporters, who range from Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt to Colin Firth, Christian Bale and Helena Bonham Carter.

The case could challenge the bedrock philosophy behind Habitat for Humanity, claiming that using volunteers, rather than professional builders, is causing as many problems as it solves.

SNIP

132 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:17:49pm

re: #110 rawmuse

I saw a picture of my neighborhood from the 1970s. All the houses had iron bars on the windows. Today there are none. I wonder if the iron bars will be coming back soon. Crime is sharply up here.

Do you live in the City proper?

133 jorline  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:18:01pm

re: #120 realwest

Hey jorline! How are you doing tonight my friend?

Good to see you, RW. Waiting for the Ambian to kick in...shouldn't take long.

134 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:18:21pm

re: #74 ggt Hey ggt! It's a little past 1:15 AM Sunday in N.C. - how the heck are ya doing?!

135 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:18:37pm

re: #114 EmmmieG

Sure, fine, but they get to be the egg this time. Oh, wait it's always somebody else who gets to be the egg? Some...unimportant, nameless person. Someobdy without a brilliant education and exciting new ideas.

Of course, being totally serious here, the egg was a somebody to their family, and meant something to at least one person.

I had a chance to meet an "egg" when I was about 11. A Jewish women, who survived both the Nazi camps and the Gulags. My feelings about such things were set early.

136 marinegrunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:18:51pm

re: #116 MandyManners

Scuttlebutt has it that former Marine Bob Parsons, CEO of Godaddy dot com, is behind this.

137 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:19:16pm

re: #131 MandyManners

From the previous thread.

RESIDENTS of a model housing estate bankrolled by Hollywood celebrities and hand-built by Jimmy Carter, the former US president, are complaining that it is falling apart.

SNIP

Oh, that is really too bad. I hate to give the unions any ammunition. After Hurricane Andrew, I thought the building codes got real stringent and the insurance companies made sure they were enforced?

138 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:19:33pm

re: #76 Desert Dog
Ya sure Ford Pintos don't burn better - or at least quicker?!
:)

139 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:19:33pm

re: #132 stevieray

Do you live in the City proper?

yes, but not really downtown.

140 Homer_s  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:19:51pm

re: #79 rawmuse

I am making a stamd for my upright bass. I have the plans all sketched out. I made an attempt today, but the wood is hard and my saws are not the best. I am working in my garage, where I have almost no power tools, nothing more than some drills and an orbital sander. If I had a table saw that would be perfect, one that does mitered cuts.

Check with your local taxidermist. Maybe he can turn one of the plaques sideways for you. Is it a largemouth or small mouth?

141 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:19:54pm

re: #134 realwest

Hey ggt! It's a little past 1:15 AM Sunday in N.C. - how the heck are ya doing?!

tired. Thanks for asking.

the dryer just finished, so, I won't be here long.

142 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:21:16pm

re: #136 marinegrunt

Scuttlebutt has it that former Marine Bob Parsons, CEO of Godaddy dot com, is behind this.

It's very funny.

143 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:21:16pm

re: #127 EmmmieG

Mmmm. Marxism. So good for the environment.

Always loved this site:

[Link: www.kiddofspeed.com...]

Awesome, when Chernobyl was happening I was doing my ACDUTRA at the OPNAVINTELCEN and reading the TS reports in live time. Brave men went in to drop sand on the fire, if it had eaten through to the river ... don't ask.

144 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:21:21pm

Twins Born On Different Days, Years
1 Twin Born On News Years Eve, Other On New Years Day

145 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:21:22pm

re: #129 EmmmieG

I have lost the ability to type or spell.

Bedtime!

I can't lose what I never had !

146 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:21:50pm

re: #80 ciaospirit
Hey ciaspirit! Didn't go to the link but given that Obama said ""Michael Bennet perfectly reflects the qualities of the ruggedly independent state he has been chosen to serve," I'm guessing that he's a Dem and crooked as hell!
What do I win?!

147 Clemente  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:22:03pm

re: #105 MandyManners

I wonder if those two would think differently if they lived in Sderot.

/or not.

148 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:22:04pm

re: #140 Homer_s

LOL!

149 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:22:07pm

You know, I don't trust computers. I'm still toying with Spider Solitaire --4 suit. I made a move earlier and the computer popped-up a message that said I had no more moves left--when I knew I did. I told the computer to get f@cked and went on to win the game.

WTF?

150 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:22:25pm

re: #138 realwest

Ya sure Ford Pintos don't burn better - or at least quicker?!
:)

Ford Pinto Exploding / catching fire

Youtube Video
151 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:22:48pm

re: #129 EmmmieG

I have lost the ability to type or spell.

Bedtime!

So like You Know you are qualified for well like you know the Senate?

152 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:23:00pm

re: #87 ggt

Just what we need, education majors in government. Peter Principle anyone?

Can we have some people who know something about economics and finance since Congress' primary job is spending our money? Here we have another guy who's being promoted on his public school experience, which means he has experience in monopoly money finance.

153 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:23:44pm

In the immortal words of Sherlock Holmes..

Data, data..! I cannot make bricks without clay.

Out!

154 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:23:45pm

re: #137 ggt

Oh, that is really too bad. I hate to give the unions any ammunition. After Hurricane Andrew, I thought the building codes got real stringent and the insurance companies made sure they were enforced?

I don't know if there's any allegation that they're not up to code. Mysterious skin rashes, garbage under the floors, mold and the like.

155 Ledger1  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:23:46pm

re: #118 ggt

It'd be a nice scam --behind on your payments, want a new car, hire a arab-looking yout to burn your car. Nice racket actually, how much of a cut do you think the yout and his pimp would get? –ggt

Yes, I agree.

I would guess the arsonist would probably be in a gang and get some compensation – any amount would be good around the end of the year.

156 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:23:46pm

Those Hamas pukes will end up regretting shooting the kneecaps of Fatah supporters, back when Israel decided to attack.

When the West bank PA terrorists get revenge on the Gaza terrorists, they won't get any hearing from the EU or the UN.

157 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:23:53pm

re: #146 realwest

Hey ciaspirit! Didn't go to the link but given that Obama said ""Michael Bennet perfectly reflects the qualities of the ruggedly independent state he has been chosen to serve," I'm guessing that he's a Dem and crooked as hell!
What do I win?!

A ham and...

158 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:24:11pm

re: #142 MandyManners

It's very funny.

G-d, I LOVE the Marines!

159 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:24:11pm

re: #135 JCM

I had a chance to meet an "egg" when I was about 11. A Jewish women, who survived both the Nazi camps and the Gulags. My feelings about such things were set early.

Me too. My next-door neighbors growing up were Jewish. They had an uncle who came to live with them in his waning years, and he had the tattoo on his arm. I must've been eight when they told me why he had it.

160 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:24:51pm

Tomorrow, Lizards!

161 jorline  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:25:07pm

re: #137 ggt

Oh, that is really too bad. I hate to give the unions any ammunition. After Hurricane Andrew, I thought the building codes got real stringent and the insurance companies made sure they were enforced?

Everything Jimmy has ever tried to build has fallen down...he wouldn't know what a foundation looked like if it grew in his peanut fields.

162 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:25:24pm

re: #152 ciaospirit

Can we have some people who know something about economics and finance since Congress' primary job is spending our money? Here we have another guy who's being promoted on his public school experience, which means he has experience in monopoly money finance.

yep . . .

But, you know, the primary purpose of gubernet is to make sure everyone is fed, clothed, housed and has the medical care you need --Where have you been?

//gah

163 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:26:13pm

re: #115 JCM
Better yet, THANK G-D THAT GWB ...
Sorry, still pissed off at someone who corrected a typo of mine on the prio thread.
Course, given the number of typos I'm prone to make, I reckon I should learn to just let it go!

164 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:26:30pm

re: #154 MandyManners

I don't know if there's any allegation that they're not up to code. Mysterious skin rashes, garbage under the floors, mold and the like.

yeah, but if it's built to code, mold shouldn't be a problem. Even in Florida.

Insurance doesn't cover mold so these people are f@cked.

165 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:26:43pm

re: #139 rawmuse

yes, but not really downtown.

I used to live there... first in the Haight, then Lower Nob Hill [ok... upper tenderloin], and finally SOMA.

Beautiful city, great people... but politically nuts.

166 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:27:33pm

re: #125 ggt
Doing OK, thanks - got my second wind, a cup of java and I'm good to go all night long! LOL!
How are you doing?

167 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:27:35pm

re: #146 realwest

Hey ciaspirit! Didn't go to the link but given that Obama said ""Michael Bennet perfectly reflects the qualities of the ruggedly independent state he has been chosen to serve," I'm guessing that he's a Dem and crooked as hell!
What do I win?!

One "get out of jail free" card. Might come in handy in Obama's Monopoly in America game.

168 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:28:39pm

re: #133 jorline
Hey, has it really helped you out? I'd hate to have steered a friend wrong on it.

169 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:28:44pm

re: #166 realwest

Doing OK, thanks - got my second wind, a cup of java and I'm good to go all night long! LOL!
How are you doing?

tired and going to bed soon. Thanks for askin'!

It's rather late for you to be drinking fresh coffee, isn't it RW?

170 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:29:01pm

re: #159 stevieray

Me too. My next-door neighbors growing up were Jewish. They had an uncle who came to live with them in his waning years, and he had the tattoo on his arm. I must've been eight when they told me why he had it.

I was eating at a cafeteria at USC and spotted a man at the next table with one of the tattoos. He caught me looking at it and when I met his eyes I smiled, not knowing what to say. He just smiled back and went on eating.

171 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:29:32pm

re: #163 realwest

Better yet, THANK G-D THAT GWB ...
Sorry, still pissed off at someone who corrected a typo of mine on the prio thread.
Course, given the number of typos I'm prone to make, I reckon I should learn to just let it go!

LOL! Thanks!
Only goddess has permission to correct our typos!

172 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:29:42pm

re: #165 stevieray

I know almost all the things that are to be known about this place. Especially since I started following zombie's posts.

173 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:29:59pm

ahahahahah, the cat is laying next to one of the dogs "kneading" his rump. Dog is either sound asleep or pretending to be sound asleep. Should be fun to watch in a few moments.

174 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:30:18pm

re: #164 ggt

So how is this turning out different than any other housing ideas that liberals come up with?

175 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:30:18pm

BTW, cat has back claws. --hahahahaha

176 Macker  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:30:30pm

re: #131 MandyManners

Here Mandy, let's fix this:

RESIDENTS of a model housing estate bankrolled by Hollywood celebrities and hand-built by Jimmy Carter, the former US president, are complaining that it is falling apart.

Fairway Oaks was built on northern Florida wasteland by 10,000 volunteers, including Carter, in a record 17-day “blitz” organised by the charity Habitat for Humanity Hamas.

Eight years later it is better known for cockroaches, mildew and mysterious skin rashes.

A forthcoming legal battle over Fairway Oaks threatens the reputation of a charity envied for the calibre of its celebrity supporters, who range from Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt to Colin Firth, Christian Bale and Helena Bonham Carter.

The case could challenge the bedrock philosophy behind Habitat for Humanity Hamas, claiming that using volunteers, rather than professional builders, is causing as many problems as it solves.

There, see!

177 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:30:52pm

re: #170 SurferDoc

I was eating at a cafeteria at USC and spotted a man at the next table with one of the tattoos. He caught me looking at it and when I met his eyes I smiled, not knowing what to say. He just smiled back and went on eating.

Kinda takes it out of the cold pages of a history book when you see it in the flesh.

178 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:31:10pm

re: #174 WayDownSouthInBama

So how is this turning out different than any other housing ideas that liberals come up with?

It's not --only this one didn't cost the taxpayers --IIRC, it was build with private funds, albiet not-for-profit.

179 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:31:12pm

re: #171 JCM

LOL! Thanks!
Only goddess has permission to correct our typos!

PIFW!

180 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:31:14pm

Given the crises we face right now, I wish I could go back to better time, but I know I can't.

Still...

Youtube Video
181 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:32:09pm

re: #177 stevieray

Kinda takes it out of the cold pages of a history book when you see it in the flesh.

Yep. Puts shivers down the spine.

182 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:32:18pm

re: #170 SurferDoc

I was eating at a cafeteria at USC and spotted a man at the next table with one of the tattoos. He caught me looking at it and when I met his eyes I smiled, not knowing what to say. He just smiled back and went on eating.

They were common when I was growing up. Particularly remember one friend whose parents had the numbers and who also had the distinction of having gotten out of Hungary in 1956 by running across a bridge with the Red Army hot on their heels guns blazing. They liked America.

183 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:32:20pm

GGGAAAHHH ,,, , I just got off of a call with a client in Japan. They screwed up taping the Falcons/ Cardinals game. Now I have to replay the ENTIRE F**KING thing for them !

GGGAAHHH!

184 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:32:41pm

re: #150 Dustyvet
Whoa - five seconds from impact! Impressive! Thanks Dusty!
Oh, btw,you've got mail!

185 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:32:54pm

re: #172 rawmuse

I know almost all the things that are to be known about this place. Especially since I started following zombie's posts.

Cryptic, and a little bit frightening! A good combination!

186 ggt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:33:40pm

I gotta sleep Lizards, full day tomorrow.

weet dreams all!

187 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:33:41pm

re: #174 WayDownSouthInBama

So how is this turning out different than any other housing ideas that liberals come up with?

More private charity and amateur effort, less government money and skilled but expensive labor.

188 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:33:54pm

re: #177 stevieray

Kinda takes it out of the cold pages of a history book when you see it in the flesh.

My lack of words at that moment made me realize later that I could not even approach knowing what he had been through even though I'd read all the books about when I was younger.

189 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:33:58pm

re: #178 ggt

It will cost us soon. Nothing liberals do is without hidden cost to the taxpayers even when they start it out with private funds.

190 jorline  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:35:01pm

good night, Lizards.

ZZZzzz

191 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:35:44pm

re: #183 sattv4u2

GGGAAAHHH ,,, , I just got off of a call with a client in Japan. They screwed up taping the Falcons/ Cardinals game. Now I have to replay the ENTIRE F**KING thing for them !

GGGAAHHH!

Just be glad it wasn't the Colts/Chargers game. Overtime.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:36:13pm

OK, I have to go and do something constructive now. Not for Habitat, although I have done that, and the Lord help those poor people whose drywall I installed.

Good night, good night...

193 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:38:04pm

re: #167 ciaospirit

One "get out of jail free" card. Might come in handy in Obama's Monopoly in America game.


Damn straight about that one. Thanks for that ciaospirit!

194 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:38:13pm

re: #191 ciaospirit

Just be glad it wasn't the Colts/Chargers game. Overtime.

ssshhh ,,, they'll prolly realize they messed up that one too!

195 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:38:34pm

re: #188 SurferDoc

My lack of words at that moment made me realize later that I could not even approach knowing what he had been through even though I'd read all the books about when I was younger.

Six million is too much to comprehend completely, it sometimes becomes a statistic. One person in front of you is inescapable reality.

196 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:39:21pm

re: #169 ggt
Uh, fresh? Who said anything about "fresh"?!

197 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:40:05pm

re: #195 stevieray

Six million is too much to comprehend completely, it sometimes becomes a statistic. One person in front of you is inescapable reality.

Absolutely. That one woman was the reality to me of both the Nazi Camps and the Gulags. Much more so because of her lack of bitterness.

198 patchrat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:40:07pm

re: #176 Macker

Here Mandy, let's fix this:I am a real carpenter, who builds real houses. (preferably not on swamp land). Do I believe that I could have done Jimmy Carter's job better than he did?
Oh wait... BAD EXAMPLE!


There, see!

199 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:40:30pm

re: #195 stevieray

Six million is too much to comprehend completely, it sometimes becomes a statistic. One person in front of you is inescapable reality.

Exactly.

200 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:41:00pm

The Chargers are like a Cinderella story, but I just can't see them getting any further in the playoffs.

201 JCM  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:41:32pm

Goodnight all.

God Bless Israel, and God speed to the IDF!

202 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:42:09pm

re: #201 JCM

Goodnight all.

God Bless Israel, and God speed to the IDF!

Ditto. And Ditto.

203 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:42:22pm

Good night my friends. I leave you with the story of the hunting skills of Jimmy "killer rabbit" Carter.:

[Link: www.narsil.org...]

But he had sharp teeth!

204 Truck Monkey  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:42:42pm

re: #188 SurferDoc

My lack of words at that moment made me realize later that I could not even approach knowing what he had been through even though I'd read all the books about when I was younger.

I was the very fortunate son in law of a survivor. I feel blessed that I was able to absorb his wit and wisdom for 25 years until his passing a couple of months ago. I have never met a kinder more gentle man in my life and I am so sad that he is no longer here with us.

205 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:44:07pm

re: #28 NY Nana

re: #4 LeePro
Second! Fouth!

;)
*Cough* *Cough*

Second! Fouth!
PRESENT!

As you can see... walked in, fell into a de-e-e-e-e-e-e-ep hole. Just now climbed out.

Hello, everybody!

206 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:45:17pm

re: #170 SurferDoc

I was eating at a cafeteria at USC and spotted a man at the next table with one of the tattoos. He caught me looking at it and when I met his eyes I smiled, not knowing what to say. He just smiled back and went on eating.

Was talking to my mother the other day, about new Tom Cruise movie and all. She mentioned that there was a woman in her book club forty years ago, who was a survivor from Schindler's list, as was her husband. How 'bout that?

207 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:45:24pm

re: #177 stevieray

Kinda takes it out of the cold pages of a history book when you see it in the flesh.

Oh yes it does. Most recent former wife had an uncle and an aunt who were in one of the death camps but survived. When I met them it was summer-short sleeve weather and I just impulsively hugged 'em.
Two years or so later we went to the National Holocaust Museum in D.C. and they had a place on the top floor where you could sit in a sound proof cubbie and listen to tapes of survivors telling their personal stories and I HEARD - in great detail - all of the awful things they'd gone through, seen and done cause both of my former wife's Uncle and Aunt had made separate recordings.
We left the museum in silence and I don't think we said ANYTHING for over an hour or two.

208 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:45:34pm

re: #56 Clemente

"Misstate your post number, they dock you!"

/automatically deducted from your Zionist check ;)

Ack! No-o-o-o-o!
Someone tricked me!

209 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:11pm

re: #182 lifeofthemind
Gees,

They were common when I was growing up. Particularly remember one friend whose parents had the numbers and who also had the distinction of having gotten out of Hungary in 1956 by running across a bridge with the Red Army hot on their heels guns blazing. They liked America.

Just unbeleivable bravery they showed. And I'll bet the LOVED America. At least as much as we do and maybe more.

210 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:08pm

re: #186 ggt
Good night ggt - weet dreams to you!

211 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:13pm

re: #102 marinegrunt

Too funny to let it slip by.
paste on your browser window

codepinkforpeaceDOTCOM

That is HILARIOUS ! ! !

212 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:42pm

re: #190 jorline
Goodnight my friend - reckon those Ambien work as described! Sleep well.

213 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:52pm

re: #207 realwest

I didn't know they had recordings there. Its a good idea, hearing it in the voices of the survivors will help keep it real for future generations.

214 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:09pm

re: #209 realwest

Gees,

Just unbeleivable bravery they showed. And I'll bet the LOVED America. At least as much as we do and maybe more.

I was young, they fed me tasty and unusual food, they loved America.

215 Truck Monkey  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:53pm

re: #213 stevieray

I didn't know they had recordings there. Its a good idea, hearing it in the voices of the survivors will help keep it real for future generations.

Voices of Auschwitz. My Father in Law is one of those voices.

216 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:50pm

re: #205 LeePro


As you can see... walked in, fell into a de-e-e-e-e-e-e-ep hole. Just now climbed out.

Hello, everybody!

Hi, Lee!

/Excuses, excuses!

Seriously, that should be the worst thing you ever do...and it was funny! Not a lot of laughs today. The war in Gaza is getting to me. One tiny Israel, the Jewish homeland, and the number of anti-Israel demonstrations world-wide? They just do not get it.

Being on LGF, and seeing how much support that Charles gives Israel, and how much all the lizards care? Can't say 'thank you' enough.

It seems that a lot of people, who do not post here, and would be banned by Charles after only a few posts, just don't get it, and have
'forgotten' exactly who caused 9/11.

I just came over to say g'nite, all. Sweet dreams! And may we wake up to better news in the morning.

217 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:51pm

re: #215 Truck Monkey

Voices of Auschwitz. My Father in Law is one of those voices.

You made his little girl happy, you made him happy, you did a blessed deed.

218 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:08pm

Good night, All.

Go, Israel!

219 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:27pm

The first time I saw the tattos on concentration camp numbers, I didn't know what they were. Some Americans are just clueless. I have learned better, now. But, I still would not know what to say.

220 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:08pm

My neighbors across the street from me when I was a kid were all survivors of the camps and had the numbers on their arms. Since it was the South, and we wore short sleeved shirts, it was no mystery how they got there.

221 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:30pm

re: #219 Floral Giraffe

The first time I saw the tattos on concentration camp numbers, I didn't know what they were. Some Americans are just clueless. I have learned better, now. But, I still would not know what to say.

Give it another 10 years or so and there will be almost no one to bare witness. The deniers are already unchained. Here in NY we have two Jewish Museums, the main one uptown and a new one in Battery Park that is a Living Memorial to the Holocaust but today the streets were owned by over 3,000 screaming Palestinian anti-Semites.

222 Macker  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:59:50pm

re: #221 lifeofthemind

"All of this has happened before,
And all of this will happen again..."

223 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:42pm

Later, lizards!

224 swamprat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:10pm

re: #195 stevieray

6 million is only half right.
6 million jews.
6 million "others".
12 million.

225 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:30pm

re: #213 stevieray
Well wife and I were "Charter Members" (means we gave a sizeable amount of dough to get the museum started) and so we got newsletters from the museum and when they mentioned that they had added that feature - an "oral history of the Holocaust from Survivors" we were down there the next weekend to hear it.
Hearing those who went through that is truly invaluable historically - and to my then wife and myself, personally.
But man, I was listening to the stories of two people I knew and had visited and broken bread with on several occasions. The Aunt once told my wife (I found out after the Aunt passed away) that I would have been a "Righteous Gentile" had I lived in those times and in those places.
Really broke me and the wife up when she told me that.

226 Truck Monkey  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:45pm

re: #217 lifeofthemind

You made his little girl happy, you made him happy, you did a blessed deed.

Getting his "take" on what was going on in the world was priceless. He lived through absolute hell for 5 years. Had a necklace with a medallion on it with a star of david done in barbed wire and a quote of his surrounding it. "I remember when death was a luxury". I always tried to imagine the conditions he must have lived through.

227 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:49pm

Powerline seems to be taking a solid interest in the Gaza actions. Under "Internecine Warfare" they quote a jpost article:

The Hamas official said that his security forces had launched a massive "preemptive" campaign aimed at thwarting Fatah's attempts to "spread anarchy and chaos." He confirmed that many Fatah operatives had been shot in the legs over the past few days by Hamas "to make sure that they don't help Israel."

228 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:46pm

re: #171 JCM

LOL! Thanks!
Only goddess has permission to correct our typos!

...and me, and debutaunt, and Miss Trixie!
;D

229 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:44pm

re: #221 lifeofthemind

Good reminder, I need to make sure my nieces & nephew understand how real this is. I have only seeen 4 camp number tatoos in my lifetime. LA has a holocast museum, I need to go give thanks!

230 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:19pm

re: #228 LeePro

...and me, and debutaunt, and Miss Trixie!
;D

I learned to type in the Army, 1 manual Typewriter, a ream of paper, and a two and half ton truck, full of carbon paper...

231 teleskiguy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:41pm

check out the track "Socialized Death Sentence" by Dystopia!

232 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:07:09pm

re: #227 itellu3times

Powerline seems to be taking a solid interest in the Gaza actions. Under "Internecine Warfare" they quote a jpost article:

Lovely people. Let's give them a state!

/

233 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:38pm

re: #225 realwest

To bring this full circle. Each individual chooses good or evil for themselves. We can witness and we can learn or reject what we see, for good or evil. The Palestinians have lived next to the people of Israel, they have observed and they have chosen. Who are we to deny that act? To me this makes their crimes all the more serious, they are not in some isolated jungle where they could not hear about the wider world. Their ignorance and bigotry is the result of hard work.

234 wiffersnapper  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:50pm

Beat hamas and they dock ya!

235 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:50pm

re: #233 lifeofthemind

To bring this full circle. Each individual chooses good or evil for themselves. We can witness and we can learn or reject what we see, for good or evil. The Palestinians have lived next to the people of Israel, they have observed and they have chosen. Who are we to deny that act? To me this makes their crimes all the more serious, they are not in some isolated jungle where they could not hear about the wider world. Their ignorance and bigotry is the result of hard work.

May I quibble? There are no "crimes" in this environment, crime is a violation of shared norms. The problem here is there are no shared norms. This is conflict, not crime.

236 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:13:14pm

re: #229 Floral Giraffe

Good reminder, I need to make sure my nieces & nephew understand how real this is. I have only seeen 4 camp number tatoos in my lifetime. LA has a holocast museum, I need to go give thanks!

All charitable institutions are in serious trouble due to the economy imploding. People can not afford to donate or be members and government aid is gone. In addition many worthy charities were bankrupted by Madoff. I know that Elie Weisel was wiped clean and Yeshiva University was hurt, others also.

237 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:13:25pm

re: #216 NY Nana

Hope I've caught you still here!

Do not let this righteous battle get you down. Israel is a mighty little giant. I do not believe she will be defeated!

Remember David!

Now, good night, and sleep restfully!

238 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:14:48pm

re: #229 Floral Giraffe
I certainly hope you do go and take them with you.
I haven't been to any Holocaust Museums except for the ones in Washington D.C. and NYC but the effect was the same (though the D.C. was the one with the most exhibits - including the aformentioned oral history tapes AND one of the "cattle cars" that was actually used. Most folks went on a pathway around it, but I just HAD to walk through it and I don't know how to say this very well, but while I was in that cattle car and looking around, surprised at how small it was, I got the most incredible feeling of COLDNESS. Don't know what LA has, but please, please do take them with you.
We cannot allow younger generations to forget this.

239 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:31pm

re: #230 Dustyvet

I learned to type in the Army, 1 manual Typewriter, a ream of paper, and a two and half ton truck, full of carbon paper...

Heh.
Carbon-smudged memories of my own.

Not Army, just old.

/1942

240 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:34pm

re: #235 itellu3times

May I quibble? There are no "crimes" in this environment, crime is a violation of shared norms. The problem here is there are no shared norms. This is conflict, not crime.

I disagree, in fact I emphatically disagree. That is importing a legal insanity plea into this discussion where it does not belong. We choose our moral compass and we act. They choose to deny the humanity of others and then justify violence, we must act according to standards, the best we can and we either judge them by the most sensitive and just standards we have, that we demonstrate to them or we declare them incapable of observing and learning. If you believe that then you are saying they can not be conversed with only destroyed. The choice in how they act is theirs ad so are the consequences. It is called Free Will and I do not deny it.

241 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:04pm

re: #10 EmmmieG

Yeah, my computer was making hacking noises. It does that when the threads get over a thousand.

Sounds like it has a nasty virus...

242 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:54pm

re: #235 itellu3times
With all due respect, the "Palestinian" people overwhelmingly elected Hamas to power, while Hamas Charter had, as it still does, passages calling for the death of Israel and the death of all Israelis.
This is a mindset. Kill them BECAUSE they are Jews.
And that is a crime against humanity, not just a conflict.

243 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:08pm

re: #238 realwest

I think, even scarier that having generations forget this, is having generations that do not KNOW that this happened. It's true, it's real, people lived through this! Forgetting implies that you knew about it in the first place. I certainly did not. And I can betcha a buck, that my history education 40 years ago, was better than what kids are getting today!

GAAAK! I'm feeling old.

I do hope the IDF is rocking tonight!

244 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:35pm

There are nicer people in worse conditions in worse places in the world than Gaza. Gaza has been given billions and has nadda to show for it. The pro Palestinians need to have their lunch thrown back at them. They need to understand how untenable they are.

245 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:22:47pm

re: #238 realwest

I visted the site where Bergen Belsen was when I went to Germany. Although it was nothing compared to the "better known" camps, it was chilling non the less

246 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:16pm

re: #235 itellu3times

May I quibble? There are no "crimes" in this environment, crime is a violation of shared norms. The problem here is there are no shared norms. This is conflict, not crime.

Laws of Nature.
This IS a crime.

IMNSHO

247 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:41pm

re: #240 lifeofthemind

I disagree, in fact I emphatically disagree. That is importing a legal insanity plea into this discussion where it does not belong. We choose our moral compass and we act. They choose to deny the humanity of others and then justify violence, we must act according to standards, the best we can and we either judge them by the most sensitive and just standards we have, that we demonstrate to them or we declare them incapable of observing and learning. If you believe that then you are saying they can not be conversed with only destroyed. The choice in how they act is theirs ad so are the consequences. It is called Free Will and I do not deny it.

You jump to one invalid conclusion here, that they cannot change, or even that they must change, to come to a consensus with us. My point is that they must change behavior, which perhaps you agree with, perhaps you intend, when you refer to their "crimes". I have no position on whether change is easy, hard, or impossible. They need not "really" change, either - I don't base arguments on what the essence is of this or that. Most of all, they have to realize what the costs and benefits are, of acting this way or that.

248 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:55pm

re: #85 Desert Dog

You should turn on the Starbucks Expresso hose on them and wash them away

No, no! That might pollute the unsullied waters of Puget Sound!

249 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:00pm

re: #230 Dustyvet

I learned to type in the Army, 1 manual Typewriter, a ream of paper, and a two and half ton truck, full of carbon paper...

Reminds me of my niece.

She saw her dad using a typewriter and making a carbon paper copy... and she thought it was a cool, new invention! [The carbon paper, not the typewriter]

250 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:39pm

re: #38 rawmuse

Does anyone here have experience using a Japanese style saw?
I am thinking of picking one up. I hear they are good for precise cuts.

I have a dozuki, very similar to the first illustration in the Wiki article. It is very precise, and almost effortless to use. Being as it's a backsaw (rib along the back of the blade), there's a limit on the thickness of stock you can cut with it. But, up to the limit, it's very useful, indeed.

Mine was a gift, but I know came from Lee Valley Tools. If you love fine tools, their catalog is A #1 drool-worthy.

251 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:08pm

re: #246 LeePro

Laws of Nature.
This IS a crime.

IMNSHO

What are you talking about, are they floating three inches above the ground or something?

252 BignJames  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:00pm

re: #249 stevieray

Carbon paper? CARBON paper? Does Al know about this?

253 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:06pm

re: #242 realwest

the "Palestinian" people overwhelmingly elected Hamas to power,

Sorry ,, but not really !

Of the Electoral Lists, Hamas received 44.45% and Fatah 41.43%[1] and of the Electoral Districts, Hamas party candidates received 41.73% and Fatah party candidates received 36.96%

Just over 3% margin

254 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:47pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

the "Palestinian" people overwhelmingly elected Hamas to power,

Sorry ,, but not really !

Of the Electoral Lists, Hamas received 44.45% and Fatah 41.43%[1] and of the Electoral Districts, Hamas party candidates received 41.73% and Fatah party candidates received 36.96%

Just over 3% margin

So who got the rest, Ron Paul?

255 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:07pm

re: #247 itellu3times

You jump to one invalid conclusion here, that they cannot change, or even that they must change, to come to a consensus with us. My point is that they must change behavior, which perhaps you agree with, perhaps you intend, when you refer to their "crimes". I have no position on whether change is easy, hard, or impossible. They need not "really" change, either - I don't base arguments on what the essence is of this or that. Most of all, they have to realize what the costs and benefits are, of acting this way or that.

You waded in here with an argument that can charitably be described as puerile and now wrap it in obfuscation. I am not being paid to teach logic or rhetoric here.

256 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:31pm

IDF VLOG UPDATE: Ground Forces Enter Gaza - Capt. Benjamin Rutland - 3 Jan. 2009


Youtube Video
257 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:39pm

re: #252 BignJames

Carbon paper? CARBON paper? Does Al know about this?

Sequestration! We'll make a fortune!

Ban the copier... its carbon paper for all!

258 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:19pm

Good night friends much of this was LGF at its best, really like a lively night at Belmont Club, thank you.

259 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:24pm

re: #254 itellu3times

So who got the rest, Ron Paul?

could be,, but more likely any one of a dozen smaller parties, both more and less radical than Hamas. Much like our elections with the Green Party, the Libratarians, etc etc

260 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:21pm

re: #243 Floral Giraffe Oh absolutely. In the first big package we received for becoming charter members, the foundation which was in the process of building the building and assembling the exhibits, was an excerpt from Dwight David Eisenhower's diary. It said - rough reproduction from memory here "I asked Georgie (George Patton) to accompany me to look inside the ovens. George said he could not do so - he had done so when his troops liberated the camp and had to hide his throwing up because he didn't think it right for troops to see their leader throwing up over that. I responded: George, if men like you and I don't go and look, bear witness to this unspeakable barbarity, then in time people will deny it ever happened. We MUST NOT LET THAT HAPPEN." Ike was a very good man for doing that and writing and later on speaking about it, but even he couldn't foresee that some people - a lot of people - would forget it ever happened, much less deny that it did.

261 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:55pm

re: #255 lifeofthemind

You waded in here with an argument that can charitably be described as puerile and now wrap it in obfuscation. I am not being paid to teach logic or rhetoric here.

You leave yourself open to a nasty response, when you talk thus. I shall refrain. I was after all only quibbling. Sorry if it set you off.

I was just pointing out the difference between "crime" and "force majeur". If I may suggest, don't make like a PC liberal and limit yourself to just the one.

262 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:03pm

I might still have some carbon paper around here. Think it would sell on E-Bay?

263 astronmr20  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:53pm

Evening folks. GO IDF.

264 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:12pm

re: #262 Pvt Bin Jammin

I might still have some carbon paper around here. Think it would sell on E-Bay?

Let's add a C-Ration Ham and Lima Beans, and sell it as a set. We'll make a mint...:)

265 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:15pm

re: #262 Pvt Bin Jammin

I might still have some carbon paper around here. Think it would sell on E-Bay?

Take it on Antiques Roadshow.

266 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:33pm

re: #254 itellu3times

So who got the rest, Ron Paul?

scroll to near the bottom, under "FINAL RESULTS"

There are 9 other parties besides hamas and fatah listed

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

267 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:59pm

re: #262 Pvt Bin Jammin

I might still have some carbon paper around here. Think it would sell on E-Bay?

Might depend on what's "imprinted" on the back of it!

268 BignJames  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:17pm

re: #262 Pvt Bin Jammin

I might still have some carbon paper around here. Think it would sell on E-Bay?


You might get arrested...re-education at the least...carbon!..Hmmph.

269 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:17pm

re: #102 marinegrunt

Too funny to let it slip by.
paste on your browser window

codepinkforpeaceDOTCOM

that's too funny!

270 realwest  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:28pm

Sorry y'all but it's late and I must sleep. I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that the IDF kicks ass.
I also hope I have the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.

271 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:35pm

re: #264 Dustyvet

Let's add a C-Ration Ham and Lima Beans, and sell it as a set. We'll make a mint...:)

You have to talk up the Lima Beans. I just can't do a pitch on them. My poor mom could never get me to eat them.

272 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:35pm

Kelly's Heroes - Tank Duel Scene


Youtube Video
273 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:38pm

re: #261 itellu3times

You leave yourself open to a nasty response, when you talk thus. I shall refrain. I was after all only quibbling. Sorry if it set you off.

I was just pointing out the difference between "crime" and "force majeur". If I may suggest, don't make like a PC liberal and limit yourself to just the one.

Look Mr I'm tired but before I retire I will get this off my chest. Serious adults were having a serious conversation about the most serious thing in history and you decided to wade in like some half witted undergraduate trying to impress the girls with snarkiness at a dormitory all nighter. You were an ass and you should have taken the hint. yes you were quibbling and you were spanked for doing so. I was not impressed, Got It? Now grow up.

274 swamprat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:53pm

re: #267 LeePro

Nothing really; some memo about a guy named "Bush".

275 astronmr20  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:54pm

re: #270 realwest

Sorry y'all but it's late and I must sleep. I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that the IDF kicks ass.
I also hope I have the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.

Night real,

Hope you are feeling good these days and happy NY.

276 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:25pm

re: #264 Dustyvet

Let's add a C-Ration Ham and Lima Beans, and sell it as a set. We'll make a mint...:)

C-Ration Ham...
Lima Beans...
mint...

EVOO, dash o' salt, some garlic... BAM!

277 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:09pm

re: #265 stevieray

LOL I have an IBM Selectric as well. We're going to make a mint./

278 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:44pm

re: #274 swamprat

Nothing really; some memo about a guy named "Bush".

LOL!

279 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:47pm

re: #232 stevieray

Lovely people. Let's give them a state!

/

They already have a state. State of insanity.

280 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:56pm

re: #267 LeePro

Might depend on what's "imprinted" on the back of it!

That could be good, LOL, but unfortunately I think it was a newsletter for my daughter's elementary school.

281 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:44pm

Late.

Sleepy.

G'nite, {Good Lizards}!

282 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:51pm

re: #281 LeePro

Late.

Sleepy.

G'nite, {Good Lizards}!

I love that hammock. G'nite Lee, take care.

283 swamprat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:27pm

very strange cowboy songs...first;

Youtube Video

full lyrics
Oh, Mister Boomer Johnson was agettin' old in spots
But you don't expect a bad man to go 'rasslin' pans and pots.
He'd done his share of killin', but his draw was gettin' slow
So he quits apunchin' cattle and he takes to punchin' dough.

Our foreman up an hires him thinkin' age had rode him tame
But a snake don't get no sweeter by the changin' of his name.
Boomer knew his business, he could cook to make you smile
But say, he wrangled fodder in a most peculiar style.

284 swamprat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:42pm

second. Easier to hear;

Youtube Video
285 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:51pm

My wife watches Oxygen and MTV and I'm sorely tempted to put my size 11 through the tube.

286 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:51pm

Has anyone seen The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ?

287 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:45pm

God, I hope I'm not alone in here...

288 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:02pm

Op-ed on why Israelis feel threatened...

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Hezbullah from the north...Hamastan from the south...and Iran from the east with a nuclear program...All threatening to destroy a country the size of Massachusetts.

That's gotta suck.

289 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:15pm

re: #287 Maximu§

God, I hope I'm not alone in here...

Nope!

290 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:40pm

re: #286 Maximu§

Has anyone seen The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ?

No, I'm sorry, Max.

I'm not exactly awake, I just can't sleep.

291 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:38pm

re: #286 Maximu§

Has anyone seen The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ?

I have!

Excellent movie. Have you seen it?

292 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:11pm

re: #286 Maximu§

Has anyone seen The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ?

Haven't seen the Benjamin Button thing but I don't much care for the Oxygen Channel or MTV.
You are not alone. LOL

293 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:26pm

Anybody here know what became of the Cox & Forkum moonbat that used to be this page's banner, running from the Football?

294 stevieray  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:49pm

re: #293 Alberta Oil Peon

Anybody here know what became of the Cox & Forkum moonbat that used to be this page's banner, running from the Football?

People have asked before, but I've never seen an answer.

295 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:59:03pm

re: #291 traderjoe9

I have!

Excellent movie. Have you seen it?

Last night with my wife, its going to sweep the Oscars. I loved the boat captain who said he was an artist.

Bin Jammin, my wife loves the reality shows and they make me sick...

296 Clemente  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:59:51pm

re: #195 stevieray

Six million is too much to comprehend completely, it sometimes becomes a statistic. One person in front of you is inescapable reality.

One way to scale it: If every single comment ever made on LGF was the sole expression of one unique individual, and then, in the amount of time now passed since DanRat's Memo, every last one of those commenters - that is, 68,000 realwests, 6800 LeePros, 4400 stevierays, 1400 Clementes, and over 6 million more - were rounded up and systematically imprisoned and murdered, you'd have the scope, scale and approximate time line of the slaughter of European Jewry. An abomination only surpassed by the expressed intent of Koranic Islam.

297 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:01:00am

re: #295 Maximu§

Last night with my wife, its going to sweep the Oscars. I loved the boat captain who said he was an artist.

Bin Jammin, my wife loves the reality shows and they make me sick...

Yup. I enjoyed everything about it...the lightning scenes were absolutely hilarious.

298 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:01:04am

I never made promises lightly -
There may be some that I've broken,
But I swear in the days still left,
That we'll walk in fields of gold.

OK. I have a line I'll forgive Sting most of his idiocy for.

299 Cygnus  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:01:12am

re: #285 Maximu§

My wife watches Oxygen and MTV and I'm sorely tempted to put my size 11 through the tube.

"Real Housewives of Orange County" is far worse. I want to hurl every time I have to see them.

300 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:02:09am

re: #295 Maximu§

I really don't like the reality shows either and I'm a gal. In fact I really don't understand why people go for those shows. Guess I'm a wierod. LOL

301 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:03:18am

re: #297 traderjoe9

Yup. I enjoyed everything about it...the lightning scenes were absolutely hilarious.

You mean the guy who got stuck 7 times from lightening? Everytime a bolt hit him, there would be a puff of smoke...lol

302 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:03:36am

re: #300 Pvt Bin Jammin

I really don't like the reality shows either and I'm a gal. In fact I really don't understand why people go for those shows. Guess I'm a wierod. LOL

I've never watched one, unless Deadliest Catch counts?

303 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:05:14am

re: #301 Maximu§

You mean the guy who got stuck 7 times from lightening? Everytime a bolt hit him, there would be a puff of smoke...lol

Heh...yah, it was just hilarious how they came up with all the different scenarios for him to get struck by lightning and how they presented it. Added even more humor to this wonderful movie.

304 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:05:45am

re: #302 Dianna

I've never watched one, unless Deadliest Catch counts?

I have watched that before. Don't think it counts. LOL

/"Cheaters" just came on one of our So Cal Channels and I haven't turned it off yet.

305 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:06:38am

re: #304 Pvt Bin Jammin

I have watched that before. Don't think it counts. LOL

/"Cheaters" just came on one of our So Cal Channels and I haven't turned it off yet.

I'm dead sure I'd never watch a show about cheating. It's usually a miserable endeavor.

306 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:07:45am

re: #299 Cygnus

"Real Housewives of Orange County" is far worse. I want to hurl every time I have to see them.

Cygnus and Bin Jammin, I watched an episode with my wife showing some rich guys Bimbo wife throwing a pool party, her and her friends were panty flashing younger guys at the party...while the older guy (the rich one) sat in the corner cause he was fighting cancer. If I was that older guy I woulda whipped out my Remmington.

307 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:08:54am

re: #306 Maximu§

On his behalf, I would have.

I don't understand that lack of honor.

308 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:08:57am

Anyone see this video yet?

Youtube Video

That's a hell of a humanitarian crisis...

309 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:10:40am

Hamas calls UN Security Council ridiculous.

I think they're actually right this time!

310 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:10:49am

re: #303 traderjoe9

Heh...yah, it was just hilarious how they came up with all the different scenarios for him to get struck by lightning and how they presented it. Added even more humor to this wonderful movie.

It was so sad at the end when the baby Benjamin closed his eyes at the end. It was hard not to shed a tear...remember that nice lady who taught him to play the piano? She was cool and the one he finally fell in love with...the one who was married to the spy.

311 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:11:09am

re: #305 Dianna

I'm dead sure I'd never watch a show about cheating. It's usually a miserable endeavor.

Miserable for sure. The big "show down" is coming on after the next commercial and in the meantime there was an ad to meet nice "singles". LOL
What the heck, I might as well watch the big show down. SNL sucks.

312 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:12:44am

re: #307 Dianna

On his behalf, I would have.

I don't understand that lack of honor.

Your my kinda girl. I'm not sure why my wife loves these shows, but I detest them and the selfish people they portray,

Oh, btw,...Go Chargers!

313 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:12:44am

re: #310 Maximu§

It was so sad at the end when the baby Benjamin closed his eyes at the end. It was hard not to shed a tear...remember that nice lady who taught him to play the piano? She was cool and the one he finally fell in love with...the one who was married to the spy.

Yah, the ending was very sad. Throughout the whole movie I was sitting and expecting the end when he would die as a baby...but they still managed to make it a very emotional scene.

314 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:14:10am

re: #313 traderjoe9

Yah, the ending was very sad. Throughout the whole movie I was sitting and expecting the end when he would die as a baby...but they still managed to make it a very emotional scene.

The theater was packed in my neighborhood.

315 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:14:17am

re: #312 Maximu§

Did they win? I missed the game.

316 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:14:50am

re: #312 Maximu§

You realize that if the Chargers advance to the super bowl, then and only then will their win total match that of the New England Patriots?

317 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:15:04am

re: #314 Maximu§

The theater was packed in my neighborhood.

Do you know how much money the movie made so far?

318 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:15:20am

re: #315 Pvt Bin Jammin

Did they win? I missed the game.

OMG, the Chargers look good this year...they beat the Colts in OT.

319 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:15:28am

re: #311 Pvt Bin Jammin

Miserable for sure. The big "show down" is coming on after the next commercial and in the meantime there was an ad to meet nice "singles". LOL
What the heck, I might as well watch the big show down. SNL sucks.

I think it always did.

I'm just sitting here, because dinner's over, our friends have gone home and my Male's working - not his fault (a server fell down, went boom) - and I'm sitting here, doing not much at all. I just can't sleep.

320 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:16:21am

I'm experiencing a new kind of jihad which, to coin a term, I'll call "troll jihad."

In troll jihad, the servants of Allah go around on the Internet, and whenever they encounter a post that is critical of them (or so they perceive), they pretend to be intolerant American warmongers and leave comments like "Kill all the M_ _ _ _ ms," and "We should just wipe them all out," etc. Then they'll come back on with a different commenting name and point out how the other commenters are genocidal racists.

They don't seem to know that we admins can see the IPs of commenters, so I know that the jihadists are leaving those cartoonishly stupid pseudo-genocidal comments themselves, in order to discredit the site in question.

Just in the last couple hours, I've had to delete five such comments at zomblog, inspired by my latest thread.

Troll jihad may not be as bad as Maximum Jihad, but damn it sure can be annoying!

321 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:16:45am

re: #318 Maximu§

OMG, the Chargers look good this year...they beat the Colts in OT.

W00T! It sounds like I missed a great game. Go Chargers!

322 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:17:21am

re: #320 zombie

Sorry, zombie.

Is that why you're up past midnight?

323 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:18:45am

re: #320 zombie

Semi-literate Jihadi Mobys?

/worst of a couple of different worlds...

324 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:18:49am

re: #322 Dianna

Sorry, zombie.

Is that why you're up past midnight?

No, I'm always up past midnight. But I hate wasting time tracking down these cyber-jihadists and their antics! "Relentless" is certainly an appropriate term for them.

325 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:19:04am

My cousin is in the Golani Brigade. Son of a bitch chose a hell of a moment to get thrown into military prison.

326 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:19:15am

re: #320 zombie

OMG "Troll Jihad" Who would've "thunk it". LOL We live in interesting times, that's for sure.

327 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:19:27am

re: #316 Fenway_Nation

You realize that if the Chargers advance to the super bowl, then and only then will their win total match that of the New England Patriots?

They may have to beat Miami to get to the Superbowl...did you see them beat the Colts?

328 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:19:34am

re: #324 zombie

No, I'm always up past midnight. But I hate wasting time tracking down these cyber-jihadists and their antics! "Relentless" is certainly an appropriate term for them.

Ugh.

You put up with a lot.

329 spirochete  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:20:06am

I read Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich a few months ago. After reading chapter 27, I went into the bathroom and threw up. It was a life changing event for me.

330 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:20:33am

re: #323 Fenway_Nation

Semi-literate Jihadi Mobys?

/worst of a couple of different worlds...

Troll jihad and Moby jihad are both subsets of cyber jihad, which is a component of the "great jihad" (an actual term) -- i.e. warfare.

331 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:20:47am

re: #326 Pvt Bin Jammin


Think of it as yet another example of the jihadis mimicing the tactics of the far left (or vice-versa).

332 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:21:37am

I'm drink, er Drunk, I'm going to sleep...goodnight all!

333 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:22:44am

re: #326 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG "Troll Jihad" Who would've "thunk it".

Well, in actual islamic doctrine, there is "jihad of the tongue" (i.e. lying to promote Islam), "jihad of the hand" (i.e. giving funding for military activities), etc. It's only logical that the various categories would get a 21st century update!

334 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:22:51am

re: #331 Fenway_Nation

You've got that right.

335 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:23:22am

re: #329 spirochete

I read Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich a few months ago. After reading chapter 27, I went into the bathroom and threw up. It was a life changing event for me.

What is the topic of chapter 27?

336 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:23:59am

re: #327 Maximu§

I thought for sure Norvelle would've found a way to give that one away again.

337 spirochete  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:24:07am

re: #335 zombie

Medical experiments. I'm a doctor. It was revolting.

338 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:25:12am

re: #337 spirochete

Medical experiments. I'm a doctor. It was revolting.

Ah. Yeah, that was bad. Very very bad. And the Imperial Japanese, if anything, were even worse in that regard.

339 stevieray  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:25:51am

re: #320 zombie

Write a Zomblog post about it, complete with IP evidence, and we lizards will see that it is spread far and wide around the innertubes.

340 Outrider  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:27:46am

re: #338 zombie

Ah. Yeah, that was bad. Very very bad. And the Imperial Japanese, if anything, were even worse in that regard.

as hard as it is to believe, the japanese were actually worse with the medical experiments, primarily with the Chinese prisoners. Amazing the atrocities man can perform when all restraints are removed.

341 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:27:56am

re: #339 stevieray

Eh, I got so much else to do! I didn't even actually have the spare time to post the thing I did this evening. By doing so, 14 other things in my life went to pot.

Where does everyone find the time to do everything?

342 spirochete  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:28:07am

re: #338 zombie

Ah. Yeah, that was bad. Very very bad. And the Imperial Japanese, if anything, were even worse in that regard.

I would probably agree with that. The I.J. were one of the few forces that used bioweapons this century. In addition to all the other mayhem, including experiments, they inflicted on the Chinese.

I met an old man in the back of a bus in rural China, on my way to the Shaolin Monastary. I didn't know much history then. He asked me if I was American. When I said yes, he nodded and said "Lao peng you" - "old friend"

343 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:28:53am

Israeli soldiers currently clashing with Hamastan...

Thank God so far the only damage has been wounded soldiers and not casualties...

344 stevieray  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:30:35am

re: #341 zombie

We don't do anything... we watch you do everything!

/heh

345 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:30:46am

re: #338 zombie


I know of Unit 731 by reputation...I remember hearing somewhere that some of the Korean prisoners experimented on were irate that the Americans stopped at two atomic bombs.

/The staged pseudo-outrage some people (like Rev. Wright Wrong) express over the bombs being dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are direct predecesors to the contemporary 'disproprtionate response' the lefties and more media-savvy Islamists accuse Israel of being guilty of..

346 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:31:45am

re: #337 spirochete

I read that when I was seventeen. Had decided to do a high school term paper on the atrocities of Hitler & Co. There have been times, now that I am old, that I've thought I should read that and the other books I read just to see if I was too young and overly sensitive and I can't go there. Once was more than enough.

347 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:32:20am

This whole ''troll jihad'' thing reminded me of the plot (which was published on a few lefty blogs) to go to patriotic sites with discussion boards (as the US and allies went into Afghanistan and later Iraq) pretending to be the relative of a US soldier and ''oh, so proud.''
Then, over time to become disillusioned and even to claim he/she was injured or killed.
Then to try to turn as many as possible against the war.
Anyone else remember those types of posts (here or other places)?
We had plenty of them on Ted Nugent's ''Nuge Board'' (before he started charging to join).

348 spirochete  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:36:57am

re: #346 Pvt Bin Jammin

Some things, I think, you should just not go back and revisit. At least not in the same writings. I am about halfway through life now (God willing and the creek don't rise). I remember reading that one should read Don Quixote as a youth, in the middle, and as an old man. I did the first...I'm damn near the second.

349 spirochete  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:38:20am

re: #347 mean Gene

Never heard of this but it wouldn't surprise me. To me, this is an extreme version of social engineering. Yeah, it's flat out lying.

350 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:38:22am

[Link: blog.wired.com...]

That is some bad-ass shit.

351 spirochete  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:39:43am

Hi, self. I'm hitting the sack. I agree with Zomb, not enough time for everything.

352 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:40:16am

Good night spiro!

353 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:40:42am

re: #350 traderjoe9

[Link: blog.wired.com...]

That is some bad-ass shit.

I'd like to place an order for CA, AZ, NM and TX.

354 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:42:57am

re: #348 spirochete

Some things, I think, you should just not go back and revisit. At least not in the same writings. I am about halfway through life now (God willing and the creek don't rise). I remember reading that one should read Don Quixote as a youth, in the middle, and as an old man. I did the first...I'm damn near the second.

I am reaching the third read on Don Quixote, I think. (Of course sixty is the new forty so maybe I'll read it four times). I really think, looking back, that I should have done that paper in college rather than high school. I read all of those books, even Mein Kamphf (not looking at the spell check this late, LOL) I was totally freaked out but, then again, would be having nightmares even now.

355 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:43:12am

Morning Lizards. Dv if you are still here glad your stones are gone. Down side is no More Vicadin.
Question. Is there a web site that has live satellite feed over Gaza. Also is there a site/blog that is live blogging?
Thanks

356 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:47:28am

re: #355 Erik The Red

Morning Lizards. Dv if you are still here glad your stones are gone. Down side is no More Vicadin.
Question. Is there a web site that has live satellite feed over Gaza. Also is there a site/blog that is live blogging?
Thanks

Liveblogging...I've found a couple:
[Link: www.israellycool.com...]
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]
[Link: twitter.com...] Keyword #GazaWar

357 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:50:12am

re: #356 mean Gene

Liveblogging...I've found a couple:
[Link: www.israellycool.com...]
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]
[Link: twitter.com...] Keyword #GazaWar

Thanks. I'm saving your post for morning. Late for me here. During the Mumbai thing I was addicted to "Twitter Mumbai".

Nite. Prayers for the IDF.

358 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:53:03am

re: #356 mean Gene

Liveblogging...I've found a couple:
[Link: www.israellycool.com...]
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]
[Link: twitter.com...] Keyword #GazaWar

Thanks will check these out now.

359 Unboldened  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:59:20am

re: #296 Clemente

Finally found the link... this page lists in detail the many, many numbers related to the crimes committed by and on behalf of those tried at Nuremberg. It goes beyond a simple "grand total" and lists some of the individual acts that lead to the total... I think all but the most damaged individuals (or maybe illiterate) could manage to read this and not get choked up.

The hardest part for me is when I hit the point that I know I'm going to have trouble sleeping for the next few weeks and then realize I'm not even near the halfway point. It isn't light reading at all, but I recommend passing it around to anybody who ever seems to have trouble grasping why the Nazis, fascism, and extremist views in general are so reviled by many "sane" people.

Unfortunately, I reread it before posting this and haven't got the energy to stay up any longer. Good night, lizards.

360 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:01:11am
361 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:04:15am

Good video asks the question, "Would you let it happen to you?"

Youtube Video
362 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:14:16am

re: #18 Magalaga Ding Dong

Reminds me of the movie Brazil for some reason. I should see this movie.

This one was good. Joe vs the Volcano.

363 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:22:17am
364 ThingFish  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:26:28am

re: #38 rawmuse

Don't know if anyone answered you yet. I have and like it... Cuts pretty well. Quicker than an American saw. More precise. Not so sure about that.
From my experience, an American saw cuts one way, the Japanese one cuts both ways- hence the quickness factor.

365 Kelidor  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:28:20am

Friends,

Kindly view this 90 second video on the dishonest reporting of Israel's situation in the war.

If you feel you can sign the petition at the end of the clip, please do so and forward to your lists.

Many thanks.

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

367 reggie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:43:08am

Is anyone else tuned into CNN's live international coverage right now? It's outrageous! The preseneter's questioning of her Israeli guest was condescending, and then without comment she let the Palestinian rep claim that Israel killed Arafat. This, while he droned on and on with his empty rhetoric for at least twice the time allotted the Israeli. She just re-capped for everyone's benefit "how we got here," and her timeline starts (wait for it...) with the Israeli air strikes one week ago. Truly, truly disgusting.

368 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:46:58am

Are lol, Blue,red or Sham. in the house? Who is on fruitcup duty?

369 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:49:23am

*raises hand*

370 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:50:32am

I'm watching the icons dance. Charles rearranged the furniture again. ;-)

'Morning, Erik! :-)

371 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:37am

re: #369 littleoldlady

*raises hand*

Yeah. This pressure is to much for me. I was going to make some extra for the IDF. Maybe you can do it. Are you home yet?

372 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:52:11am

Good morning, LOL.

373 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:53:05am

re: #370 littleoldlady

I'm watching the icons dance. Charles rearranged the furniture again. ;-)

'Morning, Erik! :-)

And a very good morning to you gracious lady.

374 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:55:09am

re: #371 Erik The Red

Not home yet. Still on the road. This has turned into the Trip from Heck.

/not looking for trouble...it COULD be worse.

Roanoke Rapids in Northern NC. If we don't make it home by 4:30 today (Eagles game) there will be Heck to pay. ;-)

FruitcupMobile™ is operational, though.

375 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:55:53am

abolitionist! :-)

376 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:00:09am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

377 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:01:27am

Going to see if I can scrounge up some coffee... brb.

378 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:02:08am

re: #376 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you lol. Tastes a hell of a lot better when make by you. Drive safe and enjoy the game.

379 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:04:18am

re: #378 Erik The Red

Thank you lol. Tastes a hell of a lot better when make by you. Drive safe and enjoy the game.

Made
PIMF

380 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:05:11am

re: #378 Erik The Red
So go ahead and rub it in Eric, you're sitting by the pool with a cold libation arent you?

381 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:06:04am

re: #380 Panhandler

So go ahead and rub it in Eric, you're sitting by the pool with a cold libation arent you?

YES I AM.

382 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:07:19am

Panhandler! :-)

383 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:07:51am

re: #381 Erik The Red

I knew it, I just knew it! Course too, it's 61F and cloudy at 0400 here so I'd better not complain, lol would have my guts for garters.

384 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:09:12am

re: #382 littleoldlady

What? Me? I was just commenting on the beautiful commuting weather you're enjoying, honest.

385 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:09:48am

re: #383 Panhandler

Nah. We're still in the Sweatshirt Zone. The Heavy Jacket Zone is coming up in a few miles, though... :-(

386 BignJames  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:11:23am

re: #385 littleoldlady

Raining yet?

387 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:12:31am

re: #385 littleoldlady

Well, other than the MNT sulk, the car and unfortunately the funeral, how was your visit to our fair state?

388 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:12:56am

re: #386 BignJames

BignJames! :-)

CRAP. That's going to slow me down...

/grumble, grumble

389 BignJames  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:15:31am

re: #388 littleoldlady


Might see rain by Petersburg/Richmond...hopefully it's warm enough so there's no ice.

390 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:16:56am

re: #387 Panhandler

Well let's see...we decided to leave a day early; beat the traffic and put a sock in my kid's whining.

/besides, we miss the dog!

Got as far as Titusville when the car broke down. A belt broke, which was a 5 minute fix had not a thigamajig broken as well. Took them the entire day to find the part, which was actually a LUCKY break, because they closed at 5 for the weekend.

Titusville is nice. We saw all of it...

391 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:16:56am

re: #389 BignJames

Might see rain by Petersburg/Richmond...hopefully it's warm enough so there's no ice.

Let's hope so Bign, it's 35F where she's at now.

392 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:21:02am

re: #391 Panhandler

You guyz are killing me! :-(

Not cold enough for ice - not even in Philadelphia by the time we get there.

/small favors...

393 BignJames  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:21:28am

re: #389 BignJames

Might see rain by Petersburg/Richmond...hopefully it's warm enough so there's no ice.


Just checked radar...maybe not!

394 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:24:54am

So, lol, I understand there will be an American foot ball game sometime today? Are you into sports at all?
///

395 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:28:11am

re: #394 Panhandler

Only when it's the home team.

/need to get taco dip fixings, donja know. ;-)

Philadelphia teams are so successful (NOT!) that we figure a Phillies World Series win PLUS an Eagles SuperBowl win would kick the Earth off its axis.

And that's the optimistic view...

396 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:29:45am

re: #392 littleoldlady

any fruitcup left?

397 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:30:56am

re: #395 littleoldlady

MMM, taco dip, have you tried Miss Trixie's recipe? I started to get invited to parties again after I made it a couple of times.

398 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:31:33am

re: #396 yochanan
Tons, slow night and red didn't get a chance to massage it.

399 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:33:00am

re: #396 yochanan

yochanan! :-)

You betcha!

re: #397 Panhandler

Haven't seen Miss Trixie's recipe. What is it?

400 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:35:05am

re: #398 Panhandler

Tell me about it...the closest I got to 'enhanced' fruitcup is this slowly emptying bottle of Bacardi next to it.

401 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:37:25am

Fenway! :-)

We were watching the Atlanta/Arizona game while at dinner last night.

/we've reached the point where none of us are talking to each other (lovely vacation! let's do it again sometime!) so we welcomed the distraction. Was the outcome what you would have predicted?

402 tappin52  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:37:26am

Thanks for the fruitcup LoL. I have to say that while you were gone I didn't partake of any of the substitute fruit. They were gracious and all, but I waited for you.

403 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:38:54am

tappin52! :-)

Whataguy! ;-)

/I won't tell!

404 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:41:10am

re: #399 littleoldlady

Super good:
1 can refried beans
1/2cup sour cream
4oz pkg of cream cheese - softened
1/2 package taco seasoning mix
4 scallions sliced
4 oz cheddar cheeze
4 oz Monterey Jack cheese.
preheat oven to 350
1 - blend sour cream with cream cheese
2 - Mix in the beans, taco mix,scallions and half of the two cheeses. Put in a small cassarole dish, sprinkle with the remaining cheese.
3 - Bake about 20 min until it's bubbly and lightly browned.
Most stores now have mixed cheddar/Monteray Jack shredded packages so you don't even have to guess.
Works great with "restaurtant" tortilla chips.

405 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:42:39am

re: #398 Panhandler

Tons, slow night and red didn't get a chance to massage it.

that's what you think... %-)

/white smoke

406 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:44:52am

re: #405 redc1c4

Everybody up and on the line! red's penetrated the wire again!

407 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:46:26am

re: #406 Panhandler

Everybody up and on the line! red's penetrated the wire again!

Dude!

i laid the wire...

(among other things. %-)

/white smoke

408 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:46:49am

re: #405 redc1c4

Erik's sitting by the pool, I don't suppose that's the case with you, or are you communing with nature?

409 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:49:02am

re: #408 Panhandler

Erik's sitting by the pool, I don't suppose that's the case with you, or are you communing with nature?

We have a saying in Africa.
Life is a bitch in Africa.( Our way to deal with all the shit and enjoy the beauty here.)

410 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:49:49am

re: #404 Panhandler

Ah! Very good. Saved. Thanks! :-)

Here's mine:

Spread two 8 oz packages of cream cheese on the bottom of a pan.

Brown a lb of ground beef, pour off the fat, add a packet of taco seasoning (and water, according to package directions) and cook for a few minutes.

Add a chopped green pepper, chopped jalepeno pepper and a can of chopped tomatoes to the taco beef. Cook for a few more minutes.

Spread the beef mixture over the cream cheese in the pan. Add a layer of chopped or sliced black olives, and a layer of shredded taco cheese blend.

Bake @ 350 for 15-20 minutes.

411 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:50:27am

Hiya, red! :-)

412 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:51:16am

re: #410 littleoldlady

Ah! Very good. Saved. Thanks! :-)

Here's mine:

Spread two 8 oz packages of cream cheese on the bottom of a pan.

Brown a lb of ground beef, pour off the fat, add a packet of taco seasoning (and water, according to package directions) and cook for a few minutes.

Add a chopped green pepper, chopped jalepeno pepper and a can of chopped tomatoes to the taco beef. Cook for a few more minutes.

Spread the beef mixture over the cream cheese in the pan. Add a layer of chopped or sliced black olives, and a layer of shredded taco cheese blend.

Bake @ 350 for 15-20 minutes.

Both saved thanks. I am starving now.

413 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:51:38am

Diced tomatoes.

/senior moment or lack 'o coffee. you choose.

414 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:52:16am

re: #409 Erik The Red

Well, that saying might work when you return to CONUS, depending on the market and Congress. What part of the US are you going to grace with your presence?

415 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:54:14am

re: #414 Panhandler

Well, that saying might work when you return to CONUS, depending on the market and Congress. What part of the US are you going to grace with your presence?

I am guessing from your nic not to far from you. About 20-30 min North of Orlando. Maitland Winter Park area.

416 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:55:18am

Time to hit the dusty trail...

/feh

Good day, ALL!™

417 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:55:49am

re: #416 littleoldlady

Time to hit the dusty trail...

/feh

Good day, ALL!™

Drive safe and enjoy the game.

418 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:55:51am

re: #408 Panhandler

Erik's sitting by the pool, I don't suppose that's the case with you, or are you communing with nature?

i was just out back to see if i could snipe a rat feeding near the pool, but i've already got all the easy ones... i guess you could still call that "communing with nature" if you stretched it a bit.

it'll be dawn here in another 4 hours or so... but i did hear a great horned owl hooting.

419 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:56:22am

re: #411 littleoldlady

Hiya, red! :-)

back atcha!

420 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:58:26am

Wish me luck for the next three days. 100F+ maximums where I live.

421 tappin52  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:59:41am

Well LoL, that dip is going to ruin my diet today. Safe trip home.

422 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:00:40am

re: #420 Crux Australis

Wish me luck for the next three days. 100F+ maximums where I live.

Mental Health!

423 tappin52  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:00:45am

re: #420 Crux Australis
Good luck from snowy NY.

424 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:01:42am

re: #420 Crux Australis

Wish me luck for the next three days. 100F+ maximums where I live.

drink more beer.
do less w*rk.

/survive!

425 tappin52  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:03:36am

Just make sure you don't throw the Fosters on the barbie.

426 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:03:46am

re: #415 Erik The Red
Yup, you'll be close, only about 6 hours to P'Cola by car, 7 if you fly Delta.

427 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:05:58am

The stupid Australian government has given another $5 million to the Palestinians. Crazy.

428 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:06:43am

re: #426 Panhandler

Yup, you'll be close, only about 6 hours to P'Cola by car, 7 if you fly Delta.

lol. Delta does suck. But it is one of 2 choices I have to get back to the US.

429 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:09:05am

re: #428 Erik The Red

lol. Delta does suck. But it is one of 2 choices I have to get back to the US.

The saying here in the Western Gate to the Sunshine State is that when you die, you can't get to Heaven without going through Hartsfield.

430 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:12:37am

re: #427 Crux Australis

The stupid Australian government has given another $5 million to the Palestinians. Crazy.

The Hamas Palis are in a bind, their market crashed big time the other day.
CNN had a Pali gal on getting the Hamas line of the day, she was going on about the nasty Israelis cutting off the power. Split screen, other shot was of Gaza at night with all the lights blazing.

431 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:17:11am

I wish I had a choice other than CNN International for my world news. They are trying not to be kissing Hamas's ass. But they still are. They are pissed that Israel will not let them into Gaza. FUCK YOU CNN

432 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:20:44am

re: #431 Erik The Red

They and AFP ,et al went to an Israeli judge and got him to sign an order telling the IDF to let them into gaza as a pool group. IDF hasn't responed to the order the last I read.

433 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:21:47am

re: #432 Panhandler

better yet arrest the momzars as spys
if we were to shoot them we would get reports on the 72 virgin hags.

434 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:22:09am

I remember last Thursday a Hamas spokesperson called in to a conservative talk back show on a radio station in Sydney. The radio interview was cut short when this spokesperson refused to correct the lies he was spruiking and then accused the radio announcer of racism.

435 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:27:03am

re: #434 Crux Australis

How many times do you have to tell them - Muslim isn't a race!

436 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:31:51am

I have no idea who is going to win the Ravens-Dolphins game.

437 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:33:52am

re: #159 stevieray

Me too. My next-door neighbors growing up were Jewish. They had an uncle who came to live with them in his waning years, and he had the tattoo on his arm. I must've been eight when they told me why he had it.

Our next-door neighbors and across-the-street neighbors were survivors, and they were never shy about answering any questions that my kids asked them. Both these gentlemen have passed away. This generation is slowing fading away, there are not many left.

438 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:35:45am

Hamas moves on Fatah 'collaborators'

Fatah officials in Ramallah told The Jerusalem Post that Hamas militiamen had been assaulting many Fatah activists since the beginning of the operation last Saturday. They said at least 75 activists were shot in the legs while others had their hands broken.

Wisam Abu Jalhoum, a Fatah activist from the Jabalya refugee camp, was shot in the legs by Hamas militiamen for allegedly expressing joy over the IDF air strikes on Hamas targets.

"Hamas is very nervous, because they feel that their end is nearing," a senior Fatah official said. "They have been waging a brutal campaign against Fatah members in the Gaza Strip."

/red on red

439 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:35:54am

re: #437 Alouette

I always get a kick out your avatar, looks like some gal stomping grapes found a nasty surprise.

440 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:37:47am

re: #401 littleoldlady


Between the Cardinals and Chargers, these teams that pretty much snuck into the playoffs or won their crappy divisions by default look like they belong in the postseason now.

441 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:39:39am

re: #432 Panhandler

They and AFP ,et al went to an Israeli judge and got him to sign an order telling the IDF to let them into gaza as a pool cessepool group. IDF hasn't responed to the order the last I read.

Fixed that for ya.

442 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:41:25am

re: #441 Fenway_Nation

You are too kind good sir, cessepools are to be denigrated at all times.

443 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:42:47am

re: #254 itellu3times

So who got the rest, Ron Paul?

Al Franken.

444 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:03am

re: #438 Killian Bundy

If a Hamasshole whacks Christine Amanpour for allegedly 'collaborating with the Zionist propaganda outlets', is that red on red too?

445 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:33am

re: #443 Alouette

Al Franken.

Dammit Ahmed, there was supposed to be Grads in the trunk, where did these "undiscovered and uncounted" ballots for Franken come from?

446 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:55am

re: #440 Fenway_Nation

Between the Cardinals and Chargers, these teams that pretty much snuck into the playoffs or won their crappy divisions by default look like they belong in the postseason now.

/are they done calling penalties on the Colts yet?

447 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:45:54am

re: #444 Fenway_Nation

If a Hamasshole whacks Christine Amanpour for allegedly 'collaborating with the Zionist propaganda outlets', is that red on red too?

/absolutely, she's Iranian

448 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:45:57am

bbl going to the airconed room and having a nap. Beer, sun and pool make eyes heavy.

449 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:47:02am

re: #446 Killian Bundy


Still waiting for kickoff on that New England game.

/What's that? A first, second, third and fourth round bye? How awesome is that!?

450 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:48:07am

Good morning, everyone! Not such a great morning here - haven't even been to bed yet!

Checking Twitter and LGF while winding down... more rockets.

Not in article, but poster on twitter says this salvo was a barrage of 13. No one injured but infrastructure damage.

451 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:48:49am

re: #445 Panhandler

Dammit Ahmed, there was supposed to be Grads in the trunk, where did these "undiscovered and uncounted" ballots for Franken come from?

He actually pulled another 196 votes out of his ass yesterday after they got done counting the "wrongfully rejected" absentee ballots.

/since election day, Coleman has lost a net 1000 votes, go figure how that could happen

452 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:49:19am

re: #447 Killian Bundy


Right...because when I think 'Zionist controlled media outlet spewing Israeli propaganda 24/7', I think CNN...

/

453 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:50:11am

Aaahh! Snuggies is doing banner ads now! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!

454 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:50:46am

re: #451 Killian Bundy

He actually pulled another 196 votes out of his ass yesterday after they got done counting the "wrongfully rejected" absentee ballots.

/since election day, Coleman has lost a net 1000 votes, go figure how that could happen

Since we've already emptied the trunks of the cars and we're down to pulling votes out of asses, it sounds like there are more asses in Minnesota this year.

455 Broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:52:22am

Debka got hacked.

If you can see this, it means that the installation of the Russian Apache web server software on this system was successful. You may now add content to this directory and replace this page.
456 Broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:53:20am

I've noticed many anti-Israel websites uses Joomla.

(walking away... whistling...)

457 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:53:36am

re: #313 traderjoe9

Yah, the ending was very sad. Throughout the whole movie I was sitting and expecting the end when he would die as a baby...but they still managed to make it a very emotional scene.

Thanks for the spoiler. I could not get into that movie, it was sold out, so instead I watched the idiotic stinker Despereaux, 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

458 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:55:13am

re: #457 Alouette

Thanks for the spoiler. I could not get into that movie, it was sold out, so instead I watched the idiotic stinker Despereaux, 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Everyone I know who saw that movie said they hated it.

459 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:55:30am

re: #325 traderjoe9

My cousin is in the Golani Brigade. Son of a bitch chose a hell of a moment to get thrown into military prison.

What did he do? Spend Shabbat in Hebron?

460 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:59:04am

re: #457 Alouette

Thanks for the spoiler. I could not get into that movie, it was sold out, so instead I watched the idiotic stinker Despereaux, 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Trust me on this one - no matter which movie you chose, the knight from Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail would have found you and reminded you that you have chosen... poorly.

My girlfriend and her Tuesday Night Movie Gang walked out of Benjamin Button. She said it was a Chick Flick that even the Chicks walked out on!

461 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:02:27am

From Twitter:

"hearing news that folks in jerusalem and beit shemesh are having problems connecting to the internet.anyone else in israel having that prb?"

You're asking people on an Internet chat client if they are having problems connecting to the Internet?!?! *Rolls eyes*

462 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:03:35am

re: #429 Panhandler

The saying here in the Western Gate to the Sunshine State is that when you die, you can't get to Heaven without going through Hartsfield.

Hartsfield is one honkin' huge airport!

463 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:05:37am

re: #461 SteveC

From Twitter:

"hearing news that folks in jerusalem and beit shemesh are having problems connecting to the internet.anyone else in israel having that prb?"

You're asking people on an Internet chat client if they are having problems connecting to the Internet?!?! *Rolls eyes*

Thats okay. Our illustrious IT team at work requests that we send them an e-mail if we cannot connect to our (wait for it) E-MAIL SERVER, and that they will reply (please don't laugh) VIA E-MAIL!

464 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:07:18am

re: #429 Panhandler

The saying here in the Western Gate to the Sunshine State is that when you die, you can't get to Heaven without going through Hartsfield.

I live between Columbia SC and Charlotte, NC. Always go out of Charlotte if possible. Charlotte flights are 10-20% cheaper, and you usually don't have to stop in Atlanta.

/Flight in May - Charlotte-Dallas-Denver for $250!

465 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:08:43am

re: #463 sattv4u2

So on the replay to Japan, did the score turn out the same?

466 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:10:58am

re: #458 gclaghorn

Everyone I know who saw that movie said they hated it.

Despereaux sucks beyond suck. It's like they took a whole bunch of outtakes from Shrek, Ratatouille, and American Tail and mixed them all up together without rhyme or reason. This movie is too scary for little kids, too lame for older kids, and really pointless for adults as there is no humor at all!

I am shocked this movie got a "G" rating when it will give little kids nightmares for years to come, and Shrek got "PG" because of some silly fart jokes.

467 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:12:19am

From Twitter (unconfirmed):

"Israel has captured the Hamas-run Al Aqsa TV channel in Gaza and is broadcasting messages telling Hamas leaders to give themselves up..."

All your TV belong to us!

468 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:13:29am

re: #463 sattv4u2

Thats okay. Our illustrious IT team at work requests that we send them an e-mail if we cannot connect to our (wait for it) E-MAIL SERVER, and that they will reply (please don't laugh) VIA E-MAIL!

That does sound silly, but I have 2 email addresses, one is my SMTP server and the other is a web-based email, so, it is still possible to send and receive email even if your (primary) server is down.

469 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:14:55am

re: #461 SteveC

From Twitter:

"hearing news that folks in jerusalem and beit shemesh are having problems connecting to the internet.anyone else in israel having that prb?"

You're asking people on an Internet chat client if they are having problems connecting to the Internet?!?! *Rolls eyes*

Get a screenshot and send it in to the failblog.

470 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:15:47am

And another one bites the dust.

471 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:19:40am

re: #465 Panhandler

So on the replay to Japan, did the score turn out the same?

NO ,,, Atlanta made a last second miracle fumble recovery/ touchdown/ two point conversion!

FALCONS WIN ,,, 32-31!

472 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:20:48am

re: #471 sattv4u2

NO ,,, Atlanta made a last second miracle fumble recovery/ touchdown/ two point conversion!

FALCONS WIN ,,, 32-31!

Damnit! Does this mean I got to give my winnings back?

473 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:20:51am

re: #470 Alouette

And another one bites the TURNS TO dust.


better yet

474 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:21:18am

re: #472 SteveC

Damnit! Does this mean I got to give my winnings back?

yes ,,, just send them to me

475 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:25:08am
Fair is Fair. The Palestinians should have the same thing to protect their borders from Israeli land-thefts.


Posted by: bob the grapee %P% Jun 5, 2007 11:00:32 AM

Let's see if I am following the history. A group of Jewish converts living in Eastern Europe and West Asia get together and convince several european and one american nation to give them someone else's country. Then they make war on the inhabitants of this country and throw them out of their homes and eventually their country. Now they need automated devices to shoot these people when they try to cross back into their own country to drive the invaders out. Yeah, makes sense to me.

Posted by: bob the grape %P% Jun 5, 2007 11:12:18 AM


Amazing the things you can read on the interweb

476 akak  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:28:09am
Erik The Red
1/04/09 3:17:11 am reply quote 0downupreport

I wish I had a choice other than CNN International for my world news. They are trying not to be kissing Hamas's ass. But they still are. They are pissed that Israel will not let them into Gaza. FUCK YOU CNN

They really should, they could be in danger there. ;>)

477 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:30:32am

re: #475 rustler

Amazing the things you can read on the interweb

I know! I was reading last night about His High Holiness Barak Obama being "MIA" during the current Gaza Crisis. The writer did not seem to be pleased that the Chosen One's only response so far was to order a Chicago style pizza!

/Love to have Chicago style pizza, haven't had any in a while.

478 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:34:12am

re: #477 SteveC

/Love to have Chicago style pizza, haven't had any in a while.

Thats because you keep losing altered score football bets !

479 WayDownSouthInBama  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:34:50am

re: #477 SteveC
Maybe he's having a little more trouble with the "earth begins to heal" thing than the MSM first thought?

480 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:35:37am

re: #479 WayDownSouthInBama

Maybe he's having a little more trouble with the "earth begins to heal" thing than the MSM first thought?

OR ,, he's findng out not everybody wanted "change" !

481 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:35:57am

re: #478 sattv4u2

/Love to have Chicago style pizza, haven't had any in a while.

Thats because you keep losing altered score football bets !

People keep going around the world until the re-broadcast gives them a score they like! I'm surprised no one has posted "I'm watching the game here in Gaza..." yet!

482 Broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:36:00am

re: #467 SteveC

From Twitter (unconfirmed):

"Israel has captured the Hamas-run Al Aqsa TV channel in Gaza and is broadcasting messages telling Hamas leaders to give themselves up..."

All your TV belong to us!

which twitter is that?

483 SteveC  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:37:20am

re: #482 Broomer

which twitter is that?

There is more than one?!?!?!

484 Broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:37:22am

Never mind. Found it on G**gle.

485 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:38:27am

re: #481 SteveC

People keep going around the world until the re-broadcast gives them a score they like! I'm surprised no one has posted "I'm watching the game here in Gaza..." yet!

They actually could, (ummm,, that is if they had a working TV/ electricity)
Where I work, we take the game via fiber from the source and put it up on a US to Europe satellite. A company in Isreal called R&R Satellite takes it off of that and re-sends it to cable operators throughout the middle east

486 Broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:45:24am

Debka.com back in bizness.

I found a website listing 2000 Israeli and 10,000 Non-Israeli but sympathetic websites being hacked.

487 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:46:57am

re: #486 Broomer

Debka.com back in bizness.

I found a website listing 2000 Israeli and 10,000 Non-Israeli but sympathetic websites being hacked.

wow ,, someones basement is very crowded!

488 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:47:39am
One thing we can be sure of. If a Palestinian schoolgirl is shot down on her way to school, we won't worry because it won't be reported in the U.S. media.

Posted by: PeaceThroughJustice %P% Jun 5, 2007 10:17:27 PM

Wow that takes it to a whole new level. Esoecially since the US media was harping on the 2 wifes and 4 children of one of the Hamas leaders dying in the airstrike on his house. When after Israeli warnings their reply was no we will protect him with our bodies.

489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:49:24am

Can someone please go to Drudge and tell me what that picture is at the top of the page? I can not figure out what the hell it is.

Please? I've got to leave for church and it is driving me nuts.

490 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:51:13am

re: #488 rustler

One thing we can be sure of. If a Palestinian Israeli schoolgirl is shot down on her way to school in Sderot, we won't worry because it won't be reported in the U.S. media.

Not to worry, I just made it true.

491 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:53:04am

re: #490 Alouette
Ahh yeah I thought maybe someone had crossed counties : P.

492 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:55:31am

re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian 3 men sitting in a field back to back with one using a laser pointer would be my guess.

493 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:56:09am

re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can someone please go to Drudge and tell me what that picture is at the top of the page? I can not figure out what the hell it is.

Please? I've got to leave for church and it is driving me nuts.

someone (soldier) hiding in the tall grass with a laser scope aiming at something

494 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:00:08am
In Washington, the White House said that President George W. Bush was briefed on the Israeli military’s actions, and that U.S. officials had been in regular contact with the Israelis, and regional and European officials. President-elect Barack Obama “is closely monitoring global events, including the situation in Gaza,” Brooke Anderson, his chief national security spokeswoman, said in a statement. Israel notified Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen before it launched the ground attack, CNN said.

From Obama's excuse once again will be that there is only 1 president at a time I got my briefing so I know what's up when I take office. Hang loose dudes and Cowabunga.

495 medaura18586  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:00:55am

I haven't read any of the thread yet so this is most likely OT:

I am visiting in Albania where I get all of Italy's TV channels. The state TV's (RAI 1/RAI 2) reporting of the conflict in Gaza is despicable: pseudo-humanitarian platitudes and multiple onesided interviews of Gaza civilians spouting off Hamas propaganda. If the press were supposed to be unbiased, they would interview some Israeli officials too once in a while. If this "reporting" were the only source of information regarding the conflict, the Italian public would have no idea what's going on, other than "innocent civilians" having their socks blown off in Gaza for no discernable reason by the omnious and destructive "Other" (read: the Zionist entity).

This is some sick shit!

496 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:02:24am
From same Bloomberg article. Well Mr. Radwan currently Israel has only suffered injuries i think you meant to say we will turn Gaza into our own Cemetary.
497 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:05:49am
Palestinian gunmen clashed with Israeli troops inside Gaza and more than 30 Hamas militants were killed in the battle, Channel Two television said, citing the army. An army spokeswoman declined to comment.

‘High Price’

Hamas’s armed wing said that Israel will pay a “high price” for its ground offensive in the Gaza Strip. “The Zionist enemy is getting very close to the trap we have prepared for them,” the group said in a message sent to journalists by text message.

“We will fight till our last breath, your invasion of Gaza will not be a cake walk, Gaza will be your cemetery and you have no choice but to end the aggression and lift the blockade,” Hamas spokesman Ismail Radwan said in a statement broadcast on Qatar’s Al-Jazeera television.


re: #496 rustler
Hehe i forgot to post my quoted piece.

498 akak  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:06:24am
Abbas: Israeli offensive 'brutal aggression'
Published: 01.04.09, 14:26 / Israel News
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has denounced Israel's ground offensive as "brutal aggression." These were his harshest words yet in describing Israel's nine-day assault on his Hamas rivals in Gaza.
Abbas spoke Sunday, after meeting with PLO leaders in the West Bank. On Monday, he is heading to the United Nations headquarters in New York. (AP)

This is the guy we want a partnership with? Send U.S aid money quick

No thanks, better he picks up a rocket and stand opposed.

499 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:12:56am
500 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:14:56am

re: #499 taxfreekiller ///It's Socialised there is no cost.

501 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:16:00am
502 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:16:28am
503 Broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:16:44am

Foxnews Alert : Mayhem in the Middle East %P% When will the violence end?

My answer: When Islam is no longer a threat

504 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:20:06am

re: #503 Broomer
When Islam accepts that more than a hudna is possible. Temporary cesefires which only serve to let the terrorists regroup and resupply need to stop until there is some lasting peace. When the only possible way for peace to occur is one of the 2 party's to submit someone at some time needs to submit. It won't be the Israeli's submitting since submitting for them means extermination.

505 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:20:56am
506 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:21:45am

The submission bit comes from Muslims saying Islam means peace as it is the closest I've seen to peace in their language, but it really means submission to the will of Allah. So to the Islamic mindset peace is acheivable only thru submission.

507 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:22:09am
508 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:24:16am

re: #507 taxfreekiller
//I thought Fox had started getting its news feed from CNN?

509 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:26:01am

Hi, Lizard Nation!

I just had a quick scan of the favourite israeli blogs, and found this on The Muqata:

'2:30 PM IDF ups their psychological warfare on Gaza -- takes over Gaza TV broadcasts and keeps repeating over and over: "Gaza, Your Time is Running Out" (Walla News, Hebrew)'

Teeheehee!

Its the latest entry there, and the time in Israel is now 3.26 p.m.

510 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:29:20am

And here's a lovely cartoon, for Lizards to enjoy:

Do enlarge the image, to see a certain face in its full, cartoonish 'glory'!

511 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:30:16am

re: #509 yma o hyd

Hi, Lizard Nation!

I just had a quick scan of the favourite israeli blogs, and found this on The Muqata:

'2:30 PM IDF ups their psychological warfare on Gaza -- takes over Gaza TV broadcasts and keeps repeating over and over: "Gaza, Your Time is Running Out" (Walla News, Hebrew)'

Teeheehee!

Its the latest entry there, and the time in Israel is now 3.26 p.m.

Good Day Yma!

Yes, The Muqata is a fantastic blog. That is great news.

"People of Gaza, we have the rabbit. I repeat, we have the rabbit"

512 broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:32:02am

re: #509 yma o hyd

Hi, Lizard Nation!

I just had a quick scan of the favourite israeli blogs, and found this on The Muqata:

'2:30 PM IDF ups their psychological warfare on Gaza -- takes over Gaza TV broadcasts and keeps repeating over and over: "Gaza, Your Time is Running Out" (Walla News, Hebrew)'

Teeheehee!

Its the latest entry there, and the time in Israel is now 3.26 p.m.

Did it really happen? I'd love for someone to capture a recording of it ;-)

513 akak  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:33:16am

re: #509 yma o hyd

Hi, Lizard Nation!

I just had a quick scan of the favourite israeli blogs, and found this on The Muqata:

'2:30 PM IDF ups their psychological warfare on Gaza -- takes over Gaza TV broadcasts and keeps repeating over and over: "Gaza, Your Time is Running Out" (Walla News, Hebrew)'

Teeheehee!

Its the latest entry there, and the time in Israel is now 3.26 p.m.

Hopefully the Hamas leadership abroad, is running out of holes to hide in as well.

514 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:33:42am
515 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:33:48am

re: #510 yma o hyd
He doesn't quite look undecided enough.

516 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:33:58am
517 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:34:07am
518 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:34:17am
519 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:34:44am
520 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:34:55am
521 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:34:56am

re: #518 taxfreekiller

IRAN

IWALKED

522 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:35:24am
523 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:35:48am

re: #512 broomer
Heres a link to a blog talking about it.

524 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:35:49am
525 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:36:11am
526 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:36:21am

re: #514 taxfreekiller

IRAN

re: #516 taxfreekiller

IRAN

re: #517 taxfreekiller

IRAN

re: #518 taxfreekiller

IRAN

Are you trying to tell use something?

;)

527 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:36:45am

re: #525 taxfreekiller

I see you decided to shoot your capslock key :P.

528 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:36:56am
529 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:37:25am

Doh!

use=us

530 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:37:28am

re: #526 AmeriDan
I think he may be trying to tells us something about Iran but it's a bit unclear who he really means.

531 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:37:56am
533 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:38:14am
534 rustler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:38:34am
Israel's army took over a Hamas-run television station on Sunday
(January 4) to broadcast threats to the Islamist group's leaders.
Television graphics written in Arabic called on Hamas leaders to
surrender to Israeli troops as "their time was running out".

The graphic showed a black background and what appeared to be red
targets on the heads of several Hamas leaders, including Ismail Haniyeh,
Sayeed Seyam, and Mahmoud al Zahar amongst others.

PSYOPS at its finest.

535 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:38:57am
536 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:40:24am

re: #530 rustler

I think he may be trying to tells us something about Iran but it's a bit unclear who he really means.

re: #531 taxfreekiller

Its not the Jews, its not Hamas, its not the U.S. its not Russia, it is...

IRAN

Sounds right to me.

537 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:41:15am
538 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:41:45am
539 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:42:31am
540 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:43:04am

re: #530 rustler

I think he may be trying to tells us something about Iran but it's a bit unclear who he really means.

Utah beat Alabama the other day, so I'm more inclined to blame the Mormons on all of the worlds ills.

:)

541 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:43:49am

re: #512 broomer

Did it really happen? I'd love for someone to capture a recording of it ;-)

Carl in Jerusalem has the video on his blog (per the Linkviewer).

542 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:44:44am

re: #541 Bloodnok

Carl in Jerusalem has the video on his blog (per the Linkviewer).


It shows pictures of the Hamas leadership with bullets in their heads and the Arabic writing on the screen says "time is running out."

543 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:45:30am
544 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:46:47am
545 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:48:42am
546 quickjustice  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:48:59am

Just listening to NPR:

"Terrible news out of the Middle East. You probably want to stay in bed and hide. Gaza civilians are suffering at the hands of the Israeli assault."

I kid you not. And our tax dollars subsidize this! Too bad the GOP didn't shut them down when they had the chance.

547 Boogberg  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:49:36am

Just saw this comment at Harry's Place:

OhMiGod - the Huffington Post is having a go at the BBC for its biased coverage on Gaza :

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I’m confused….

Lol!

548 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:50:32am
549 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:50:59am

re: #543 taxfreekiller

All the death and destruction in Gaza, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan,

due to allowing Iran to continue its mad lust for death and destruction,

we in fact have enabled this by our non action, it being no decision has

be the important decision.

I respectfully disagree. It's a sellers market for death and destruction in the Middle East. Iran is a large part, but in no way the only one.

550 quickjustice  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:51:09am

re: #547 Boogberg

A "when pigs fly" moment! ;-)

551 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:52:46am

re: #546 quickjustice

Just listening to NPR:

"Terrible news out of the Middle East. You probably want to stay in bed and hide. Gaza civilians are suffering at the hands of the Israeli assault."

I kid you not. And our tax dollars subsidize this! Too bad the GOP didn't shut them down when they had the chance.

Staying in bed and hiding is the left's usual response.

552 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:53:21am

re: #541 Bloodnok

Carl in Jerusalem has the video on his blog (per the Linkviewer).

Brilliant!
I love it - and I hope this TV spot may encourage some of the Palis in Gaza which are fearful of Hamas to raise against them.

553 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:53:43am
554 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:53:44am

re: #543 taxfreekiller

All the death and destruction in Gaza, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan,

due to allowing Iran to continue its mad lust for death and destruction,

we in fact have enabled this by our non action, it being no decision has

be the important decision.

Blaming Iran for it all (with some justification, however) is as shortsighted as saying that Israel is to blame for all ME turmoil. The ultimate reason for the problems lies deeper. That does not mean that Iran should not be told—in the military sense— to sit down and shut up til it plays nice.

555 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:55:18am
556 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:55:28am

re: #546 quickjustice

Just listening to NPR:

"Terrible news out of the Middle East. You probably want to stay in bed and hide. Gaza civilians are suffering at the hands of the Israeli assault."

I kid you not. And our tax dollars subsidize this! Too bad the GOP didn't shut them down when they had the chance.

My moonbat sister (the one who taunted my IDF vet son about Rachel Corrie) thinks she is so hip and well-informed for listening to NPR and Pacifica.

The good news: my grown-up kids, who met their moonbat aunt for the first time, now have something new to laugh at and make fun of.

557 Boogberg  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:56:01am

re: #550 quickjustice

A "when pigs fly" moment! ;-)

HaHa! You ain't kiddin'!

There's even some support for the article in the comments at Huffpo.

558 broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:56:13am

re: #543 taxfreekiller

All the death and destruction in Gaza, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan,

due to allowing Iran to continue its mad lust for death and destruction,

we in fact have enabled this by our non action, it being no decision has

be the important decision.

And this is why I ignore the pleas for donation at my local PBS station.

559 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:57:26am

Here's something else from The Muqata:
'3:15 PM Al-Manar (Hizbolla sponsored) reports all sorts of nasty rumors. Don't believe a word of it -- IDF Spokesman categorically denies their reports. Avoid Al-Manar and Al-Jazeera -- they are feeding foreign news sources false information and lies.

Keep this in mind - the FMSM are all using these sources, to 'give a "balanced" picture' in their reports.

560 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:57:55am
561 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:00:08am

When my local PBS TV/ radio station runs one of those (anti-Israeli pieces) I call them up offering a donation. When they get excited I ask if they would please direct my money to a widow or orphan Jewish child who lost their lives in a pizza parlor!

562 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:00:51am

re: #561 sattv4u2

When my local PBS TV/ radio station runs one of those (anti-Israeli pieces) I call them up offering a donation. When they get excited I ask if they would please direct my money to a widow or orphan Jewish child who lost their HUSBANDS/ FATHERS lives in a pizza parlor!

PIMF

564 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:01:35am
565 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:03:53am

re: #561 sattv4u2

When my local PBS TV/ radio station runs one of those (anti-Israeli pieces) I call them up offering a donation. When they get excited I ask if they would please direct my money to a widow or orphan Jewish child who lost their lives in a pizza parlor!

How do they respond?

566 Harry Tuttle  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:04:18am

0bama presidency ends in 1477 days
New Monk episodes in 4 days

567 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:04:22am

Meanwhile ...
IDF soldiers have killed 50 hamasthugs since the beginning of the incursion.

Good report!

569 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:10:20am

re: #565 MandyManners

How do they respond?

they stutter ,, they stammer ,, they recover by telling me "'sir, your contribution will allow us to continue bringing us the fine programming you see now"

To which I respond '" I thought as much. Oh well, cross me off you donor list until you get more balanced programming"

570 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:10:45am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Israel's ground offensive continues apace, and has apparently surrounded Gaza City and several refugee camps, but Israel has stated that they have no intention of going into either areas. I think that's a mistake, since it means Hamas will continue to use Gaza City and refugee residents as cannon fodder and human shields as they continue firing kassams and mortars into Israel.

Israeli forces have killed and captured quite a few Hamas thugs, but Hamas has managed to injure 30 Israeli soldiers, 2 seriously in mortar attacks.

re: #563 yma o hyd

Meanwhile, sources close to Hamas revealed over the weekend that the movement had "executed" more than 35 Palestinians who were suspected of collaborating with Israel and were being held in various Hamas security installations.

So detract this number from the next 'death-toll' you hear reported in the FMSM ...

The numbers are probably much higher than that - and reports I've read and reported on suggest that Hamas injured hundreds of Palestinians they suspected of being collaborators (or just plain old garden variety Fatah thugs). Hamas knows Israeli intel is real good - spooky good - in the opening phase of the attacks, killing and destroying significant Hamas caches and leaders - with minimal civilian casualties.

There's a good reason for that - Israel has great intel from both sigint and humint sources. Hamas has to do something; so they're killing people they think might be feeding Israel targeting information.

571 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:13:09am

The anchor on CNN just said (paraphrasing) to Amanpour/viewers that "there seems to be a humanitarian crisis but just how bad depends on which side you talk to" and seconds later when Amanpour heard that, she got a really nasty scowl on her face.

572 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:13:11am

'Free Gaza' lets the cat out of the bag:
Elder of Ziyon has the story!

573 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:13:20am
574 nanook  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:13:48am

re: #42 solomonpanting


Not unlike:

Hilts: CAPTAIN Hilts.
Von Luger: Twenty days.
Hilts: Right. Oh, uh, you'll still be here when I get out?
Von Luger: Cooler!

Except I see no Great Escape for us...

575 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:14:04am

re: #569 sattv4u2

they stutter ,, they stammer ,, they recover by telling me "'sir, your contribution will allow us to continue bringing us the fine programming you see now"

To which I respond '" I thought as much. Oh well, cross me off you donor list until you get more balanced programming"

They haven't removed your name yet?

576 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:14:43am

re: #575 MandyManners

They haven't removed your name yet?

are you kidding me?

577 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:15:04am

re: #573 smokefire

Even the children?

578 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:15:42am
579 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:15:50am

re: #576 sattv4u2

I'd tell them to put me on their DNC List.

580 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:17:05am

israellycool has been attacked by another blogger, scroll down to the entry at 9.30 a.m.

I wonder who that might have been ... gah, I have such a suspicious mind ...!

581 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:17:41am

re: #572 yma o hyd

'Free Gaza' lets the cat out of the bag:
Elder of Ziyon has the story!

Once we set sail, we do not plan on turning back.

OK, works for me.

582 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:18:39am

re: #580 yma o hyd

israellycool has been attacked by another blogger, scroll down to the entry at 9.30 a.m.

I wonder who that might have been ... gah, I have such a suspicious mind ...!

I know her in real life. She is really a very sweet person in meat space.

583 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:18:53am

re: #579 MandyManners

I'd tell them to put me on their DNC List.

naaahhh ,,, I like screwin wif em too much

(hey ,,,I'm old ,,, I gotta have SOME fun !)

584 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:19:39am

Day 9

Every now and then, angels grab my keyboard and I write something that I know is one of my all time best. Last night, maybe it was the muse or maybe it was the bourbon but I wrote Where Were You?, I hope you will read it and share it with your friends.

You can get in a lot of trouble in the prognostication business but so far, most of my calls on the war have been accurate. The reason is the assessment of Hamas and Israeli internal politics was right. The war has followed the political dynamics, if neither Hamas or the Israel Government would back down, you get a big war.

But now we are in the hard part. Actual combat. The Sons of Israel are at war in Gaza. Given the firepower, training and leadership they have, they will not lose this fight. The question is how many will fall in the fight. From EFPs to 12.7 mm machine guns to landmines and suicide vests, the troops are fighting in a confined space that makes ambushes easier and any mistake you make deadlier. The troops and their leaders have to be perfect in their execution. Since 2006, nd with new senior officers who are totally old school "crush the enemy" style commanders, the IDF is a much better military, Israeli doctrine calls for taking the fight to the enemy, out-thinking the enemy and then killing the enemy with as few casualties as possible. The tactical objectives have all be reviewed and Israeli spies have thoughtfully marked the targets for destruction. One reason the power is on in Gaza is so spies can forward life saving tactical data to the troops via cell phone; welcome to digital warfare.

Gaza is a small place and impossible to defend without air cover. Hamas is going down, the only question is how fast. We are now in a race against time: the IDF against the diplomats is the real war. If the IDF can deliver the decisive blow fast enough, Hamas will be dead, if the IDF can't Hamas will live to fight another day. Bush will give the IDF no more than a week or so to finish the job.

From what I have seen, Hamas was not prepared for all out war, did not expect the overwhelming Israeli response and did not have their command and control systems thought out well enough to deal with the what they unleashed on themselves. The only card they have is Gilad Shalit and I have no doubt Israel has told the Hamas leadership what will happen if they hurt him. Their lives depend on him coming home. Yes, that is right, the orders of an entire army will be altered to get back one soldier. Saving Cpl. Shalit is being broadcast on your TVs 24/7.

Israel was easily able to cut Gaza in half and the army is moving on every major objective as fast as possible. Once the open areas are brought under control, in at most a day or so, the battle will quickly shift to urban warfare. Think Jenin on a much bigger scale, think Fallujah.

Hamas looks like they are trying to rally but they are getting hit when they have been weakened by a fresh army that has not been scratched. Israel may win in a walk. Let's hope so for all concerned.

Endgame
The international community hates three things: the US, Israel and Jewish victories. The pressure from the streets is rising, initial reports on the EuroDemos show BIG crowds. I am certain the Home Office Ministers throughout Europe are extremely uneasy about the response of the local Muslim populations, they will be advising their governments this war cannot go on too long without risk of serious domestic terror attacks. Now you or I might ask, "well why then did you let 25 million Muslims just march into Europe and let them begin destroying your cultures and nations the moment they got their first welfare checks?" But that is for another time. The craven and worthless Gordon Brown has caved already, the rest of Europe will soon follow.

Israel is great at winning wars and losing the peace. The best way to get order restored in Gaza is letting the PA and Egypt take over. Time is of the essence.

585 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:21:02am
586 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:21:44am

re: #584 ayatollah ghilmeini

The only card they have is Gilad Shalit and I have no doubt Israel has told the Hamas leadership what will happen if they hurt him.

I feel, sadly, that Gilad Shalit is deceased and has been for some time.

587 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:21:44am
588 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:22:41am

re: #580 yma o hyd

israellycool has been attacked by another blogger, scroll down to the entry at 9.30 a.m.

I wonder who that might have been ... gah, I have such a suspicious mind ...!

From Roseanne's blog:

we are hundreds and hundreds and thousands of millions. we are the women who vowed at sinai to defeat the beast in the age of aquarius, and it is written in the future that we did so, as it was written in the past. we are the programmers. we ourselves! women are never reincarnated as men. only men are reincarnated as women. being a woman is your last life. this is written in the kaballah. men are always men until they evolve into being women. this they can do by merely serving the mother in them.

Good to see she's keeping up da crazy!

589 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:23:41am

re: #585 taxfreekiller

time is on the side of evil in this case

The ones who are children now, will kill your grandchildren
what then can be said to your grand-children's children as they attend the funerals in 2040.

Just a freindly caution TFK. You're skirting the line!

590 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:25:05am

re: #555 taxfreekiller

Iran is the head of the death cult snake.

re: #560 taxfreekiller

You go in and fix one place, as you do so, Iran is infecting another, never ending game, start at the head work down, we have it backwards, we are cutting off little parts of the snakes tail, and it just regrows, new and improved snake tails.

The deeper problem I was referring to is "the death-cult". And yes, Iran is one of the chief manifestations of the worse parts of this death-cult. Iran, having heard the world's concerns, does not want peace, but only to escalate the violence. They must be dealt with.

591 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:25:28am

re: #587 smokefire

Rule 1: In war innocents die

Innocents do in fact die. But innocents are NEVER targeted, and thats what you're advocating. Sorry, our discussion has ended!

592 Jed  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:28:24am

As much as I think Tim Robbins is a political moron, the movie 'Hudsucker Proxy' is great in all aspects. It is clever, well acted, funny, excellent filming, scenes, music, etc.

I have seen it at least 5 times, and appreciate it more each time.

593 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:28:42am

re: #584 ayatollah ghilmeini

Anytime you want to guest post, just email me. It's an open invite, and I implore you to take me up on the offer. You deserve to have a wider audience, and there are times I wish Charles would do the same.

You have a way with words and crystallizing the nature of the conflict we face.

594 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:28:58am

re: #592 Jed

As much as I think Tim Robbins is a political moron, the movie 'Hudsucker Proxy' is great in all aspects. It is clever, well acted, funny, excellent filming, scenes, music, etc.

I have seen it at least 5 times, and appreciate it more each time.

same can be said about The Shawshank Redemption

595 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:29:37am

re: #592 Jed

Robbins may be a political fruitcake and a leftist to the bone, but he is a great actor. There can be no denying that.

596 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:30:07am

re: #586 Alouette

I feel, sadly, that Gilad Shalit is deceased and has been for some time.

Deceased is a nice way of saying it. His captors are savages of the sort of evil never before seen on this earth.

597 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:30:20am

re: #585 taxfreekiller

time is on the side of evil in this case

The ones who are children now, will kill your grandchildren
what then can be said to your grand-children's children as they attend the funerals in 2040.

Do you realize what you are advocating? I think you need to step back and reanalyze that comment.

598 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:30:57am
599 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:32:31am

re: #587 smokefire

I did say forgive me for saying it. But how much is enough? 6 million in WWII, Sdrot, Munich, bus bombings, suicide bombings?
No, it's time for all to say enough of this terrorism. If it takes extreme measures to stop it, then take the extreme measure. And to Mandy Manners, yeah the children too, if it comes to it. Remember the 2 rules of war
Rule 1: In war innocents die
Rule 2: You can't change rule 1.

Rule 1: War sucks.
Rule 2: War sucks even more when you lose.

600 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:33:26am

re: #574 nanook

Youtube Video
601 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:35:05am

re: #584 ayatollah ghilmeini

Thank you for this - and for the link to that very powerful 'Where were you' you wrote yesterday!

Yes - where are they indeed?
Reporting from Israel, broadcasting the Hamaa lies without thinking ...
Sitting in war editorial offices, censoring reader comments who dare doubt the Hams lies ...
Demonstrating in front of the israeli embassy anywhere in the World - but never in front of the Iranian one, or that of any other Muslim state ...

All those of us who have no familiar, only spiritual ties to Israel, need to stand up and get counted, not jsut on blogs but in our communities and neighbourhoods. We need to be (ever so politely, naturally!) 'in their faces', countering the Hamas lies broadcast in the FMSM, taking the initiative. Thats the least we can do - besides the financial support to Israel, obviously, and the letter-writing and e-mailing. even if they don't get published, they will be read.

Its time for the truth to race around the world and slay the lies of the antisemites everywhere.

602 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:36:07am

re: #598 taxfreekiller

sattv4u2

answer the question

What will ,good people, who love all children, life and peace say
when the evil ones set off the nukes and millions and millions of
children die needlessly

The line that is being skirted is why we allow Iran to disrupt the entire planet with its death wish.

Things are not getting better we all only descend into darkness.

Someone must stand up and fight back or evil will rule the earth.

So we should send the wrath of our military specifically against Iranian children? maybe you're the type that sees 2 kids fighting in the schoolyard and stops to cheer them on! Why don't we just arm and train OUR children and let the kids fight it out! Perhaps we could put it on Pay per View?
Sorry, but i'm done with you, also

603 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:36:40am

Totally OT - but don't you just love it how the heart changes colour when you hover over it with the mouse?
Thanks, Charles - discovering this just now made me smile from ear to ear!

604 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:37:57am

re: #588 MandyManners

One craaazy person!
Certifiable, if you ask me ...

605 broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:37:58am

Sad News just released at the Muqata Twitter

606 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:39:31am

re: #599 Alouette

Rule 1: War sucks.
Rule 2: War sucks even more when you lose.

Rule 3: If you know war sucks and you lose, you might not try war again.

See also Sherman, William T. "If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking. "

"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over. "

It is on that latter point that all the diplomats and politicians and pundits that scream bloody hell every time Israel lifts a finger to defend itself must come to understand.

Hamas is at war with Israel; Fatah is at war with Israel. Islamists are at war with Israel. Don't be fooled by the lulls in Lebanon or elsewhere in the region. The Islamists have a sworn duty and obligation under Islam to destroy Israel.

Every ceasefire. Every truce. Every hudna only serves to extend the war - increase the devastation and carnage. It increases the body count. Victory can change the calculus in the region.

607 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:41:12am

Well good morning y'all - from a moderate (46 degrees going up to 52 degrees) cloudy and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

608 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:41:19am

re: #604 yma o hyd

One craaazy person!
Certifiable, if you ask me ...

Well, she was a big McKinney supporter during the campaign. Crazy knows crazy!

609 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:42:20am

re: #607 realwest

Well good morning y'all - from a moderate (46 degrees going up to 52 degrees) cloudy and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

heya Real. getting ready to head home for SLEEEPPP

610 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:42:48am

re: #605 broomer

Sad News just released at the Muqata Twitter

The IDF death?

611 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:43:01am

re: #609 sattv4u2
Ah, just finishing another 12 hour shift, eh? Well sleep well my friend!

612 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:43:21am

re: #605 broomer

Sad News just released at the Muqata Twitter

There has been a fatality in the IDF, HY"D.

613 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:43:29am

re: #611 realwest

Ah, just finishing another 12 hour shift, eh? Well sleep well my friend!

yup ,, will be back tonight at about 10 p.m.

614 broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:43:52am

Anyone following [Link: twitter.com...] ? Highly recommend.

Channel 10 news reporting that heavy machine guns being used by Hamas against the IDF were given to the Palestinians by Israel. #Gaza

If this is true, then Israel is an idiot for doing all the dirty work so that Fatah can waltz in.

615 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:45:05am

Must tear myself away from LGF and go out and buy milk, bread and eggs.

616 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:45:07am

re: #614 broomer
WHAT?!? ISRAEL gave heavy machine guns to Hamas?
Or the PLO?!
I can't believe that story - Israel woulda had to be NUTS to do that.

617 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:45:34am

Carl in Jerusalem reports that china has supplied the missiles to Hamas which ahve been fired into Israel.
Video and a bit of interesting background.

618 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:46:03am

re: #611 realwest

(oh ,, and BTW ,, you must stop posting that the Palis "overwhelmingly" chose Hamas in the 2006 elections. Hamas got just over 44% of the vote, Fatah just over 41% ,, th other 14% was split amongst 9 other parties. Out of almost 1 million votes, the margin of difference betwen hamas/ Fatah was about 30k. Hardly "overwhelming"

619 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:47:12am

re: #616 realwest
ADDENDUM - What do you mean so Fatah can walk in?
You think Israel is gonna give Gaza back to the PLO (or at least Fatah)? Why would they do that?!

620 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:47:23am

re: #605 broomer

Sad News just released at the Muqata Twitter

also this interesting snippet from his blog:

'Zvi Yehezkeli (Channel 10 TV) reports that the machine gun weaponry firing at IDF troops now in Gaza City were given to the PA and Fatah by Israel as a "sign of goodwill, confidence-building measure."'

621 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:47:37am

re: #618 sattv4u2 Go home and go to sleep.

622 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:47:58am

re: #591 sattv4u2

Rule 1: In war innocents die

Innocents do in fact die. But innocents are NEVER targeted, and thats what you're advocating. Sorry, our discussion has ended!

NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM ADVOCATING.


The fact that Hamas and Hezzbollah hide behind the skirts of women and children is deplorable. But with that being said, if that means Israel must continue to live in fear of it's life because of that, then I do say innocents must die to preserve Israel right to live, and until Palestinians learn and accept Israel's right to exist, this will continue. Yes, it is wrong to target innocents, but war is war, and if your enemy places himself within the innocents, and targets you, then it is called collateral damage.

Yes it does suck, but war sucks.

623 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:48:05am

re: #621 realwest

Go home and go to sleep.

hehehehehehe,,, sowwy ,, you know I'm a stickler for detail!

624 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:48:24am

re: #588 MandyManners

From Roseanne's blog:

we are hundreds and hundreds and thousands of millions. we are the women who vowed at sinai to defeat the beast in the age of aquarius, and it is written in the future that we did so, as it was written in the past. we are the programmers. we ourselves! women are never reincarnated as men. only men are reincarnated as women. being a woman is your last life. this is written in the kaballah. men are always men until they evolve into being women. this they can do by merely serving the mother in them.

Good to see she's keeping up da crazy!


She can't actually be this stupid, no way... no one can be this stupid. She is just pretending as a means of garnering publicity.
No sane, rational person is capable of this level of insanity and ignorance.

625 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:49:57am

re: #622 smokefire
NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM ADVOCATING.

#537
Killem all, let God sort them out.

sorry ,,, but it's EXACTLY what you "advocated"

626 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:50:29am

I knew I'd find a picture of "Bride of Chucky" in the Gaza slideshow.

What is it with their macabre fascination of mutilated dolls?

627 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:50:53am

re: #607 realwest

Hiya, {rw}!

My, don't you live in a balmy place!

We have freezing fog, day maximum just about cracking 30F, and minimum at night around 21F ...

Its been going on for ten days now - my only consolation is that the hard ground frost might kill off all the slug eggs in my back garden ...

628 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:52:24am

re: #625 sattv4u2

NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM ADVOCATING.

#537
Killem all, let God sort them out.

sorry ,,, but it's EXACTLY what you "advocated"

Point taken, I should have worded it Kill all Hamas,Hezzbollah, and the crazies that support them.

Hope that is clearer.

629 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:53:00am

re: #626 Mich-again

I knew I'd find a picture of "Bride of Chucky" in the Gaza slideshow.

What is it with their macabre fascination of mutilated dolls?

That's a lot of creative effort to celebrate death.

630 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:53:19am

re: #606 lawhawk

In general, I agree, but this part is understated, and overly narrow.

Hamas is at war with Israel; Fatah is at war with Israel. Islamists are at war with Israel. Don't be fooled by the lulls in Lebanon or elsewhere in the region. The Islamists have a sworn duty and obligation under Islam to destroy Israel.

According to many islamists, British Mullah Choudary for example, the whole world is Dar ul Harb. Presumably, the "whole world" includes already-islamic countries. Bad times ahead, I believe.

Youtube Video
631 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:53:23am

re: #617 yma o hyd
Good afternoon {yma} - I don't think it's any kind of secret that China supplied Iran with missiles - in an attempt to buy off Iran from closing the Straits of Hormuz, through which nearly 90% of China's desperately needed oil flows. But I find it hard to believe that China sold 'em to Hamas, knowing that the origin of the missiles would be so easily recognizable.
And as Carl himself indicates, China has been buying some (so far) low level Israeli miliary technology but wants much more sophisticated stuff from Israel.
Can't imagine that China would screw THAT up by selling rockets to Hamas.

632 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:54:15am

A little more about the Israeli Army

Israel's army is a true citizens army. Its standing size is about 170,000. Almost all Israelis serve in it for 2 years of active duty and remain in the reserves, about a month a year until their 40s. It keeps 2-3 divisions active along with most of the officer corps and troops doing active service after high school. The air force and other mission critical forces, navy and special forces are also active year round.

In event of war, Israel calls up its reserves grows to a force of 550,000. Weapons are preplaced and kept at ready year round, the troops arrive and then move to the fight.

Israel spends about 10% of her GNP on her military. Egypt to her south and Syria to the north are perhaps the most well equipped capable forces in the Arab world and this does not include the irregular forces of Hezbollah, Hamas and the alphabet soup of international terror groups that list Jews as their top target.

The IDF has produced some of the finest military officers of the last 50 years, their battles are studied at military academies all over the world. Because the army is not full time, Israel prefers short wars to avoid economic hardship caused by hundreds of thousands of productive citizens not being at work.

While Israel has gotten a lot US military aid over the years, hardware is expensive stuff and the Israelis are legendary at building cheap innovative solutions to difficult military problems. Many of Israel's military innovations have saved countless lives of US service personnel. One example, the number of burn casualties in the 1973 Yom Kippur War resulted in the developing of the Halon gas anti-fire devices now found in most western military combat vehicles. This has saves thousands of US and Allied service personnel from death and permanent injury over the years. By contrast, I am aware of any innovation from the Arab world that has ever saved the life of western soldiers (if I am wrong on this, I am sure it came from the new Iraqi Army).

A little more about Gaza

Here is a handy map (use the Beeb's bandwidth)

As you can see, tanks can cut the place in half in about an hour. Its 5-6 miles deep just south of Gaza City. I do not suggest opening fire on an Israeli tank column supported by armored Infantry, in an open terrain free fire zone, your life expectancy becomes measured in seconds.

The BBC map shows the most densely populated areas- rule of thumb: the more built up, the more people, the harder it is to use superior firepower to destroy the enemy.

Gaza City was cut off and hit on all sides within minutes of the ground game starting last night. The IDF has the force of numbers and firepower. In addition, because of much better command and control and special forces units, the IDF will use speed to disrupt, confuse and disperse the enemy.

The IDF Military Intelligence, Mossad and professional officer corps have war gamed this fight for the last 10 years. They are using the optimized war plan with the latest intelligence and know a very important truth: the bigger the victory the bigger the peace.

633 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:54:18am

re: #628 smokefire

I hope that post above isn't picked up by one of Charles' detractors to "show" that he supports genocide.

635 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:55:36am

re: #628 smokefire

re: #633 MandyManners

I hope that post above isn't picked up by one of Charles' detractors to "show" that he supports genocide.

Mandy ,,, thats why I objected

Smoke ,, WORDS mean something. Please err on the side of caution and restraint

636 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:55:51am

re: #618 sattv4u2

(oh ,, and BTW ,, you must stop posting that the Palis "overwhelmingly" chose Hamas in the 2006 elections. Hamas got just over 44% of the vote, Fatah just over 41% ,, th other 14% was split amongst 9 other parties. Out of almost 1 million votes, the margin of difference betwen hamas/ Fatah was about 30k. Hardly "overwhelming"

Even then, Fatah's phenomenol venality and corruption, carried on with the blessing of the UN and the international media (if not their outright participation), was by far the biggest reason people voted Hamas. The terror gang was honest if nothing else, and that is a startling and hopeful change in that part of the world; something like an Arab Obama, in fact.
It was a bad trade, of course, but the Gazans, brainwashed by the greatest propaganda engine in history, could not have known that. They are finding out now, though, in the hardest way possible.

637 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:55:57am

And on that note, I head home

638 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:57:07am

re: #622 smokefire
We should never target the innocent, but too frequently our smartest bombs are not precise or smart enough to destroy only the guilty while leaving the innocent unscathed, and the terrorist count on that, it isd why the hide among the innocent and vulnerable.
It is why we must continue to increase our spending on precision munitions, intel gathering equipment, and HUMINT. It is the only way we can safeguard the innocent while chasing the cowardly murderers who hide behind womens' skirts.
Our hearts must cry out and we must grieve the death of every innocent... but we should never allow murderers to escape justice, especially since they are ultimately the cause of so much innocent bloodshed on both sides of the conflict..

639 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:57:14am

re: #631 realwest

Can't imagine that China would screw THAT up by selling rockets to Hamas.

There is no such thing as making an honest deal with the Iranians. They may have promised China that arms or missiles would not end up in the wrong hands, but their words are meaningless.

640 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:58:20am

re: #628 smokefire

Point taken, I should have worded it Kill all Hamas,Hezzbollah, and the crazies that support them.

Hope that is clearer.


Thank you... I too was troubled by the tone of what you said... our side does not target the innocent. Never.

641 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:58:22am

re: #631 realwest

Good afternoon {yma} - I don't think it's any kind of secret that China supplied Iran with missiles - in an attempt to buy off Iran from closing the Straits of Hormuz, through which nearly 90% of China's desperately needed oil flows. But I find it hard to believe that China sold 'em to Hamas, knowing that the origin of the missiles would be so easily recognizable.
And as Carl himself indicates, China has been buying some (so far) low level Israeli miliary technology but wants much more sophisticated stuff from Israel.
Can't imagine that China would screw THAT up by selling rockets to Hamas.

I can imagine that - commies making political decisions, military has to bow to the communist party decision. Tough ...
But, as Carl says, Taiwan may ahhe come into it as well.

642 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:59:43am

re: #632 ayatollah ghilmeini Good morning or afternoon to you!
Thanks for that post and the link to the map.
But I've been waiting to ask you this: What do you think Israel's "end game" is in this and what do you think it should be (assuming you may disagree with what Israel proposes as it's end game)?
And as an addendum, how much of Israel's technology, weaponology, equipment and ammunition comes from the West (the USA in particular)?

643 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:59:50am

re: #632 ayatollah ghilmeini

The BBC map shows the most densely populated areas- rule of thumb: the more built up, the more people, the harder it is to use superior firepower to destroy the enemy.

I saw an e-mail from a viewer on CNN that said after the war is over, Gaza's population needs to be spread out.

644 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:00:32am

re: #632 ayatollah ghilmeini

the bigger the victory the bigger the peace.

And for decades the world has prevented peace in Gaza by preventing that victory.

645 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:00:43am

re: #635 sattv4u2

re: #633 MandyManners


Mandy ,,, thats why I objected

Smoke ,, WORDS mean something. Please err on the side of caution and restraint

I hate using the REPORT button but, I did moments after it appeared.

646 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:01:20am

re: #634 yma o hyd

4:44 PM One of the soldiers seriously wounded is the son of Tzviki Bar-Chai, head of the Har Hevron municipal council. He was thrown out of Kfar Darom with the expulsion from Gush Katif. When he was called up he brought along a large orange flag to plant once more in the soil of Gaza.

4:40 PM Released for publication. It is with great sadness that we announce that an IDF soldier was killed in battle this morning, fighting against Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip. Please continue your prayers for the IDF's soldiers and Israeli civilian communities.


His family will be in my prayers tonight. He is a martyr in the cause for ensuring the survival of Israel and the Jewish people. May God grant his family peace and strength in their time of need.

647 akak  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:01:23am

re: #639 Mich-again

There is no such thing as making an honest deal with the Iranians. They may have promised China that arms or missiles would not end up in the wrong hands, but their words are meaningless.

Just as Chinese missiles were used against Israel during last Hezbashitzah go-round. Why the shock at this revelation?

648 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:03:25am

re: #616 realwest

WHAT?!? ISRAEL gave heavy machine guns to Hamas?
Or the PLO?!
I can't believe that story - Israel woulda had to be NUTS to do that.

Here's what happened. Israel and the West provided weapons to the Palestinian Authority for security purposes - bolster the PA to fight terrorists.

Well, didn't quite work out that way when Hamas took over Gaza in 2006. Hamas captured all those weapons and are now using them against Israel.

649 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:05:01am

re: #628 smokefire
It is more clear, but not something I could personally support. Kill all the Hamas "fighters" and those who directly (e.g., allow them to put missile or rocket launchers in their backyard and THEN STAY THERE in their homes) or smuggle weapons and munitions to Hamas to make it possible for Hamas to kill Israeli's yes (assuming they can't be captured). But just because someone supports Hamas in a generalized, political sense, as despicable as that is, doesn't warrant our killing them.
And it DOES come perilously close to Kill 'em All and Let God sort them out" - which is genocide and is a bannable offense here on LGF.
We don't want to become THEM.

650 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:05:04am

re: #635 sattv4u2

re: #633 MandyManners

Mandy ,,, thats why I objected

Smoke ,, WORDS mean something. Please err on the side of caution and restraint

thank you for the comments.
Caution and restraint sometimes are lacking. But I make no excuse for my unswerving support for Israel. No I do not advocate genocide of a people, but I do advocate Israel's right to exist, at any costs, if it comes to that.
If that is construed as advocating genocide by the moderators here, I am sorry that you feel that way.

651 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:06:55am

re: #632 ayatollah ghilmeini

Just picking up on what you say about Mossad and war-gaming:
imho, Hezbollah is seeing the success of this operation, and must be extremely apprehensive that Mossad is operating in Lebanon as well.
It explains this report, which i linked to above, and where Shin Beth is reported to have given this appraisal:
'According to Diskin, "The Hamas leadership abroad is stressed, working to obtain a ceasefire and disappointed by the Arab countries failing to stand by its side. The situation of the leadership in Gaza is similar. A real threat exists today on the Hamas enterprise in the Gaza Strip. The leaderships in Gaza and abroad feel an existential threat."

(Emphasis added by me.)

'

652 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:07:01am

re: #599 Alouette

and Mandy and Smoke

After what the Jewish people went through, why become like the barbarians who did the crime and those who seek to repeat it.

Believe me, when US and Western Military folks talk with the Israelis, they say the same thing but the respect the Israelis for wanting to win the right way, to transcend the darkest chapter and build from light itself. For the soldiers who have to leave their family, grab their guns, they want to believe in what they fight for to the core of their being. From the most religious to the most atheist among them, the doctrine of Purity of Arms inspires Jewish soldiers because they KNOW they are different, the army they fight for is the Jewish response to the Holocaust and that army is a living denouncement of Hitler and barbarism. Moreover, when you then fight people who worship Hitler and follow his teachings of hate, its strengthens you; against the Hamas and Hezbollahs of this world, it makes any victory sweeter.

653 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:07:20am

Maps I've picked up here and there (mostly here), starting with Ayatollah's in No. 632.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

[Link: maps.google.com...]

Image: gaza_strip_may_2005.jpg


[Link: maps.live.com...] (The server is "down" for Gaza and Jerusalem so, I linked to Cairo.)

654 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:07:22am

re: #639 Mich-again
Hmmm - yeah, hadn't thought about that, but wonder if it'll change China's "trade" policies now?

655 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:07:53am

re: #643 MandyManners

I saw an e-mail from a viewer on CNN that said after the war is over, Gaza's population needs to be spread out.

Yeah - lots of empty space in the Magic Kingdom ...

656 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:08:34am

re: #648 lawhawk
FUCK!
Oh and good morning lawhawk!

657 broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:08:46am

Best shock and awe scenario part 2:

Israel KEEPS the northern part of Gaza (where the rockets are shooting from), and do a population transfer to the southern part of Gaza. No more land for peace. That didn't work, and never has, historically.

658 Bobblehead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:08:53am

Let's Pretend it's happening here. Great video.

659 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:09:20am

re: #650 smokefire

thank you for the comments.
Caution and restraint sometimes are lacking. But I make no excuse for my unswerving support for Israel. No I do not advocate genocide of a people, but I do advocate Israel's right to exist, at any costs, if it comes to that.
If that is construed as advocating genocide by the moderators here, I am sorry that you feel that way.

It does not matter how I "feel". My feelings are irrelevant. This is not my blog. What matters is if someone cherry-picks that comment to show that Charles advocates genocide.

660 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:10:11am

re: #655 yma o hyd

Yeah - lots of empty space in the Magic Kingdom ...

No, in Gaza itself which has lots of unused land.

661 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:10:47am

re: #659 MandyManners
Yep. Good morning Mandy!

662 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #650 smokefire

thank you for the comments.
Caution and restraint sometimes are lacking. But I make no excuse for my unswerving support for Israel. No I do not advocate genocide of a people, but I do advocate Israel's right to exist, at any costs, if it comes to that.
If that is construed as advocating genocide by the moderators here, I am sorry that you feel that way.


Smoke, the overwhelming majority of us here are staunch supporters of Isreal, but we cannot support nor will we allow ourselves to be allied with any messenger who advocates or seems to suggest that any form of racism, hate or hostility to a group of people because of the accident of their birth is to be condoned. If that is your position, then though we may agree with you regarding our support for Israel, you will find that your comments are unwelcome by most of us.

663 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:11:14am

Good morning all. Can't wake up this morning. I took the train into Cambridge just to get myself moving. It didn't work and now and the end result is I'm in Cambridge.

664 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:12:36am

re: #652 ayatollah ghilmeini Or, as I said less elegantly in #649, We don't want to become THEM.

665 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:14:00am

re: #652 ayatollah ghilmeini

and Mandy and Smoke

After what the Jewish people went through, why become like the barbarians who did the crime and those who seek to repeat it.

Believe me, when US and Western Military folks talk with the Israelis, they say the same thing but the respect the Israelis for wanting to win the right way, to transcend the darkest chapter and build from light itself. For the soldiers who have to leave their family, grab their guns, they want to believe in what they fight for to the core of their being. From the most religious to the most atheist among them, the doctrine of Purity of Arms inspires Jewish soldiers because they KNOW they are different, the army they fight for is the Jewish response to the Holocaust and that army is a living denouncement of Hitler and barbarism. Moreover, when you then fight people who worship Hitler and follow his teachings of hate, its strengthens you; against the Hamas and Hezbollah of this world, it makes any victory sweeter.

I agree with the premise, however, the IDF has to fight a war with an unconventional enemy, that does not follow the wars rules of engagement. This puts them [IDF] at the disadvantage, because they [IDF] must fight the war, literally with one arm behind their back, and under a time limit, because of the worlds anti-Semitic view of the Jewish State.

666 akak  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:14:00am
Israeli forces tightens siege on Gaza City, deploy at Philadelphi to block Hamas' weapons route

Condi is gonna be pissed, oh well she'll have that on her resume.

667 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:14:25am

Good Morning all you Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

re: #663 Bloodnok

Good morning all. Can't wake up this morning. I took the train into Cambridge just to get myself moving. It didn't work and now and the end result is I'm in Cambridge.


Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station...

668 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:14:40am

re: #660 MandyManners

No, in Gaza itself which has lots of unused land.

Yes - and they could make so much out of it - if they give up their 'victim'-attitude and start doing some honest work!
That whole population has been on the aid/relief drip for generations, its like the work-shy here in the UK who have been hanging on the welfare-tits for the same time. Not able to work? Not willing to work!

669 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:14:53am

ANALYSIS / International community giving Israel time to weaken Hamas in Gaza

The international community, headed by the U.S. and Egypt, is giving Israel time to carry out the ground offensive in Gaza, so it will severely damage Hamas' regime. The rationale behind such a move is that a weakened Hamas would improve the chances of achieving a stable agreement in Gaza once the fighting subsides.

And so there is a degree of foot-dragging in the diplomatic efforts to reach a cease-fire. The most visible sign of this was the decision to postpone the United Nations Security Council discussion on Gaza planned for Monday.


Take note of this little tidbit:

According to sources in the U.S., President George W. Bush has intercepted an initiative by his secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice and her British counterpart, Secretary of State David Miliband, to formulate a cease-fire draft.

One source said Bush instructed the State Department to refrain from action in the matter.


Translation: Bush had to intervene personally to stop State's omnipresent Arabist lobby from undermining national policy.

670 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:15:13am

re: #649 realwest

It is more clear, but not something I could personally support. Kill all the Hamas "fighters" and those who directly (e.g., allow them to put missile or rocket launchers in their backyard and THEN STAY THERE in their homes) or smuggle weapons and munitions to Hamas to make it possible for Hamas to kill Israeli's yes (assuming they can't be captured). But just because someone supports Hamas in a generalized, political sense, as despicable as that is, doesn't warrant our killing them.
And it DOES come perilously close to Kill 'em All and Let God sort them out" - which is genocide and is a bannable offense here on LGF.
We don't want to become THEM.


We refuse to become them. God forbid we should start strapping bombs to our children and send them into pizza parlors to kill other people's children.

671 jester6  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:15:44am

Good morning. I was wondering if anyone out there knows that kind of munitions these conical bursts are. There are two air bursts and one ground burst, and the ground burst certainly could be a malfunction or mis-fused round.


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

672 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:15:55am

re: #650 smokefire

If that is construed as advocating genocide by the moderators here, I am sorry that you feel that way.

Let's do it again:

It does not matter how I "feel". My feelings are irrelevant. This is not my blog. What matters is if someone cherry-picks that comment to show that Charles advocates genocide.

I'll add that I am not a moderator.

673 anat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:16:19am

Can anyone tell me what's happening with Fiskie nominations?
I want to nominate the BBC post haste. Their 'reporting' of the Gaza war breaks new grounds of idiotarian inverse morality.

674 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:17:05am

re: #672 MandyManners

Let's do it again:

It does not matter how I "feel". My feelings are irrelevant. This is not my blog. What matters is if someone cherry-picks that comment to show that Charles advocates genocide.

I'll add that I am not a moderator.


Mandy, please keep poking him the eye until he gets the point.

675 Xenobyte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:17:17am

It's... you know... for kids!

The stupidity by Hamas on the other hand... NOT for kids. Support them and THEY DOCK YA!

676 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:17:26am

So, time to go through the photos again.

From Lebanon: real or memorex?

What genocide in Gaza? 500 people killed out of 1.4 million. Facts don't matter to the supporters of jihad. Propaganda serves them well.

The Gazan dead are props for propaganda.

Terrorist supporters down under.

Gruesome, Hamas thugs carried in to hospitals in Gaza - and being reported as such. Of course, the ratio of photos of terrorists to civilians and reported as such is something like 20-1. Highlighting the numbers of dead and injured terrorists would undermine the propaganda war against Israel.

These folks are just plain misguided. Gazans got hope in 2005 when Israel completely evacuated Gaza. Hamas repaid the favor with a rocket war against Israel. The only hope Hamas has is that Israel's will to live ceases; and that Hamas can destroy Israel. It's not about hope or change. It's about death and destruction for Hamas.

677 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:18:20am

re: #669 Shiplord Kirel

ANALYSIS / International community giving Israel time to weaken Hamas in Gaza


Translation: Bush had to intervene personally to stop State's omnipresent Arabist lobby from undermining national policy.

... and put Gord's nose out of joint as well, by pulling the plug on Miliband and the Foreign Office's Arabist lobby.

Nice one, President Bush!

678 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:18:30am

re: #669 Shiplord Kirel
Good morning Shiplord! Excellent comment and link!
Yeah, I'll bet the Anti-Semitic s.o.b.'s at State are having a shit fit right now.
Screw 'em - Just Hope and Pray that Hillary and Obama feel the same way Bush does on this point. Pretty sure Hillary does, not quite so sure about Obama. In fact I have grave doubts about Obama.

679 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:19:18am

re: #672 MandyManners

Let's do it again:

It does not matter how I "feel". My feelings are irrelevant. This is not my blog. What matters is if someone cherry-picks that comment to show that Charles advocates genocide.

I'll add that I am not a moderator.

OK, OK. I see the point, again I apologize. Mouth, feelings, and fingers outran brain and better sense.

mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

680 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:20:39am

re: #674 shanec99

Mandy, please keep poking him the eye until he gets the point.

It's not my intent to poke anyone in the eye. I just don't like the chance that someone will cherry-pick stuff to make Charles and his LGF look bad.

681 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:20:57am

re: #671 jester6

Good morning. I was wondering if anyone out there knows that kind of munitions these conical bursts are. There are two air bursts and one ground burst, and the ground burst certainly could be a malfunction or mis-fused round.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Airburst cluster munitions, probably from 8 inch howitzers, possibly MLRS. This is basically a shell or rocket filled with small bomblets. It works just like the famous cluster bombs, which are highly effective against terrorist forces and therefore the target of a concerted propaganda campaign by the so-called peace movement.

682 Geepers  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:21:41am

Shiplord Kirel (#669),

ANALYSIS / International community giving Israel time to weaken Hamas in Gaza

Interesting. Can the world possibly have become (at last) fed up with hamas?

683 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:22:43am

re: #673 anat

Can anyone tell me what's happening with Fiskie nominations?
I want to nominate the BBC post haste. Their 'reporting' of the Gaza war breaks new grounds of idiotarian inverse morality.

It really does!
I've already complained on the official Beeb form, for the second time.
It is mind-boggling what they report.
They basically spread all the Hamas propaganda and lies without any thought, in order to look 'balanced', while their intonation and facial expressions, when interviewing any Israeli spokesperson, clearly shows their contempt - in marked contrast to the empathical throbbing voices with which they talk to people in Gaza!

684 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:23:17am

re: #680 MandyManners

It's not my intent to poke anyone in the eye. I just don't like the chance that someone will cherry-pick stuff to make Charles and his LGF look bad.


Not literally, I meant do something to get his attention... a poke in the eye typically get's someone's attention... and make him know where most of us stand.
Our community is too valuable, to ever be smeared with the racists brush.

685 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:23:54am

re: #642 realwest

the end game is the complete pacification of Gaza through the removal of Hamas as an active poltiical/terror force, the elimination of all rockets and rocket manufacturing facilities and instituting a new peaceful stable government over Gaza.

Most Israeli equipment is US based or derived. The Merkavah tank uses the same 120mm gun and similar engine to the US M1, the F-16I, the mainstay of the IAF is a heavily modified version build by the US for Israel. Over the years there are a number of missiles and mods from captured or outmoded equipment that Israel refurbishes and puts back into service. Many of her armor personnel carriers started life as Centurion or T55 tanks. The Israeli Navy mostly uses home grown and European sourced equipment but NATO standard 533mm torpedoes.

There are some differences. Unlike the US, the Israelis love 120mm mortars, having captured thousands over the years they mount them in APCs to give them mobility and lots of ammo close to hand.

I go to the Israeli Weapons site once a year to see what's new, they will give you a good idea of what kinds of things are in Israel's inventory.

686 nyc redneck  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:24:23am

re: #510 yma o hyd

And here's a lovely cartoon, for Lizards to enjoy:

Do enlarge the image, to see a certain face in its full, cartoonish 'glory'!

good morning yma,
he does not look like he wants to "sort it out".
he looks like he wants to "sit it out".
i wonder if the harsh realization has hit him that voting present isn't
a plan anymore.

687 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:24:35am

re: #679 smokefire

I didn't not repost my post to repeat myself but in case my first post--which quoted your No. 650--gets deleted because it quoted your post.

688 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:24:50am

re: #683 yma o hyd

It really does!
I've already complained on the official Beeb form, for the second time.
It is mind-boggling what they report.
They basically spread all the Hamas propaganda and lies without any thought, in order to look 'balanced', while their intonation and facial expressions, when interviewing any Israeli spokesperson, clearly shows their contempt - in marked contrast to the empathical throbbing voices with which they talk to people in Gaza!

They're trying desperately to earn as much Arab bribe money honoraria funding and investment capital as possible before the supply runs out.

689 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:24:54am

Guys. see you later, gonna get something to eat.

690 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:25:26am

re: #671 jester6
I believe that your first photo is flares, maybe small explosions underneath the flares.
Second photo - really no idea. Right hand "smoke column" looks like what it is: smoke coming up after a blast from a rocket or atillery shell; left side, no idea.
Third photo looks like a white phosperous shell (maybe a "flare") since WP has been outlawed.
Too bad Dustyvet isn't here to tell ya just how much we observed that ban on Willy Peter.

691 Bobblehead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:26:07am

And in other news: 5,000 port-a-potties prepared for Barack
Obama's historic inauguration
"They are the no-flush kind. There's some
symbolism here for those who choose to find it."
[Link: lucianne.com...]

692 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:26:50am

EU 'will fight for Gaza ceasefire': commissioner

I will not comment further.

693 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:27:10am

re: #686 nyc redneck

good morning yma,
he does not look like he wants to "sort it out".
he looks like he wants to "sit it out".
i wonder if the harsh realization has hit him that voting present isn't
a plan anymore.

Indeed!
And he probably is starting to realise that this situation is not something he can solve by the Alinsky cook-book (or Chicago politics ...).
Bet he's scared sh*tless.

694 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:28:26am
695 jester6  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:28:32am

re: #681 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks. That is what I suspected.

A few more questions. Since most of what I know of cluster bombs comes from YouTube weapons porn or propoganda from the peace movement I figure the answer is somewhere in the middle.

Are the bomblets designed to sit on the ground like unexploded mines or are the supposed to detonate on impact?

If they are supposed to detonate on impact what is considered an acceptable number of duds?

Are the bright streaks burning propellant or some sort of tracer material like phosphorous?

696 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:28:44am

re: #681 Shiplord Kirel
Hey Shiplord, those are, I believe three different photos of three different events.

697 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:29:18am

re: #690 realwest

I believe that your first photo is flares, maybe small explosions underneath the flares.
Second photo - really no idea. Right hand "smoke column" looks like what it is: smoke coming up after a blast from a rocket or atillery shell; left side, no idea.
Third photo looks like a white phosperous shell (maybe a "flare") since WP has been outlawed.
Too bad Dustyvet isn't here to tell ya just how much we observed that ban on Willy Peter.

Hey Real!

Saw a bunch of those "upside down fireworks" things last night on the news. Looked like some sort of cluster munition deploying to me.

698 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:30:15am
699 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:30:27am

re: #682 Geepers
Good morning Geepers - it's possible that the "world" has become fed up with Hamas - Lord knows I hope so.
But it's also equally possible that the World doesn't wasnt Bush to go - from their pov - batshit crazy on the side of Israel in his waning days.

700 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:30:39am

re: #688 Shiplord Kirel

They're trying desperately to earn as much Arab bribe money honoraria funding and investment capital as possible before the supply runs out.

Heh.
If more people complain about this, they might even be shuffled back to reporting about local events in Winchester ...

It beats me anyway why female reporters are chosen to report on military operations and on political situations when they are so obvioulsy out of their depth, and when this is so painfully obviously beyond their competence.

701 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:30:41am

re: #681 Shiplord Kirel

Good morning, all.

I was a 13-Mike in the Army (MLRS crewmember, no combat). I've always wondered what would happen if we fired our rockets (with hundreds of bomblets each) into an urban area like Gaza. I imagine it would be devastating. We always trained for woods/deserts. etc.

702 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:30:56am

re: #676 lawhawk

3 hours ago: Mourners pray over the bodies of Palestinians killed in an Israeli air strike in Beit Lahiya, northern Gaza Strip, Sunday, Jan. 4, 2009. Israeli ground troops and tanks cut swaths through the Gaza Strip early Sunday, cutting the coastal territory into two and surrounding its biggest city as the new phase of a devastating offensive against Hamas gained momentum. At least 24 Palestinians, mostly civilians, were killed, according to Palestinian medical sources.

Yet the picture shows only males of fighting age.

703 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:32:07am

re: #573 smokefire

re: #679 smokefire

May I suggest that you flag these two comments yourself. Can't assure you it'll do any good, but maybe worth doing. Be sure not to "recommend" that first one, ok?

704 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:32:43am

re: #685 ayatollah ghilmeiniThank you. But the first proposition would necessarily have to induce the Egyptians to stop allowing (and yes they have been allowing) Hamas or anyone else to dig smuggling tunnels into Gaza, no?
And thanks for the information about Israel's source of and use of equipment and munitions - and a special thanks for that link!

705 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:32:43am

re: #700 yma o hyd

It beats me anyway why female reporters are chosen to report on military operations and on political situations when they are so obvioulsy out of their depth, and when this is so painfully obviously beyond their competence.

There are plenty of clueless male reporters as well.

706 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:33:23am

re: #692 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

EU 'will fight for Gaza ceasefire': commissioner

I will not comment further.

I will!
From that link:
'"We have to fight for it... We are going to try to do the maximum," EU External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner told reporters at Prague airport.'

Benita Ferrero-Waldner is from Austria, and iirc she belongs to the right-wing, neo-fascist party of Joerg Haider, who died recently in a car crash.

Says it all, really ...

707 Geepers  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:33:31am

aboo-Hoo-Hoo (#692),

From your link:

French President Nicolas Sarkozy is due to fly seperately[sic] to the Middle East on Monday, hoping to rally key players in the region behind a French plan to pressure Israel and Hamas to renew a failed truce.

Ya gotta love the wording of that.

Who edits this crap?

708 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:33:32am

re: #695 jester6

Thanks. That is what I suspected.

A few more questions. Since most of what I know of cluster bombs comes from YouTube weapons porn or propoganda from the peace movement I figure the answer is somewhere in the middle.

Are the bomblets designed to sit on the ground like unexploded mines or are the supposed to detonate on impact?

If they are supposed to detonate on impact what is considered an acceptable number of duds?

Are the bright streaks burning propellant or some sort of tracer material like phosphorous?

They come in several different kinds... to deploy minefields of various types or to blow on impact. I rather doubt there are any that do both at once.

All weapons create duds... none are acceptable, but there is probably some number that is considered "ok" even though the guy on the ground wants them all to blow.

Propellent. No need for tracer material in one.

709 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:33:47am

re: #703 abolitionist
Good morning - y'all might as well add #628 as well.

710 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:34:06am
711 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:34:14am

re: #586 Alouette

I feel, sadly, that Gilad Shalit is deceased and has been for some time.

Don't say that. Let us pray he is alive. The despicable people who hold him are the sort who execute unarmed hostages, but seeing how they are running from the real fight so far, I will hold out EVERY hope he comes home alive.

And you do not want to be one of the folks who held him, and Israel knows the names of EVERY single one of the men responsible for Shalit. Its the difference between a ticket to the boneyard or a flight to France.

No one likes losers and people who have been wronged by losers, in this case the folks at Fatah, tend to take what is called revenge on losers. Last night's report of Hamas taking pre-emptive revenge (there is an Islamic concept!) on Fatah operatives in Gaza lends me to believe that after this war, Fatah, who also has operations all over the world, will go after the senior Hamas leaders abroad and, yes, the Mossad will be happy to help.

712 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:36:03am

Back in 30... gotta get on the treadmill...

713 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:36:36am

re: #710 ploome hineni

shhh! Keeping people uninformed is a critical part of the intellectual Jihad.

714 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:37:32am

Hat tip israellycool:
IDF targets Hamas terrorist responsible for long-range missile firing:

'The IDF on Sunday afternoon targeted senior Hamas terrorist Muhammad Shalfuh in the Jabalya refugee camp.

It was not yet clear if Shalfuh, a member of the Hamas Special Forces who is responsible for the terror group's long range missile launching into Israel, was killed in the incident. '

715 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:38:23am

re: #711 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

pre-emptive revenge

Why did you hit that man? Well, because I knew he would hit me back.

Makes perfect sense to me. /

716 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:39:37am

re: #714 yma o hyd

Hamas Special Forces?

I'm sorry, but who on Earth named them that?

717 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:40:56am

re: #716 Ben Hur

Hamas Special Forces?

I'm sorry, but who on Earth named them that?

No idea - probably the hamasthugs themselves ...

718 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:41:04am

re: #706 yma o hyd
You know, I read that link fairly quickly, but believe that -with the posssible (probable?) exception of the French, the EU is going to get tougher on Hamas; but someone ought to tell them that the humanitarian plight of the "Palestinians" in Gaza is solely the responsibility of Hamas. Let Hamas act like a government for a change, put the interests for food, medicine, gas and power for "their people" AHEAD of their frantic desire to kill Israelis and destroy Israel. Until them, and excuse my language, FUCK OFF on any "humanitarian aid" - giving same simply, at this point, relieves Hamas of it's responsibilies to its people. Not to mention giving them more money to buy more weapons and rockets and keep the damn circle unbroken.

719 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:42:00am

Good morning.

720 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:42:13am

re: #716 Ben Hur

Hamas Special Forces?

I'm sorry, but who on Earth named them that?

Someone with dizzyingly high hopes.

721 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:42:36am

re: #719 WriterMom

Wazzup?

722 Marvo76  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:42:37am

re: #347 mean Gene

This whole ''troll jihad'' thing reminded me of the plot (which was published on a few lefty blogs) to go to patriotic sites with discussion boards (as the US and allies went into Afghanistan and later Iraq) pretending to be the relative of a US soldier and ''oh, so proud.''
Then, over time to become disillusioned and even to claim he/she was injured or killed.
Then to try to turn as many as possible against the war.
Anyone else remember those types of posts (here or other places)?
We had plenty of them on Ted Nugent's ''Nuge Board'' (before he started charging to join).

Geno that you? didn't know you was a lizard as well! Good friends show up in the damnedest places...LOL

723 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:43:29am

re: #716 Ben Hur
Hamas, of course. Good morning Ben!

724 Geepers  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:43:52am

Morning WriterMom.

How's tricks?

725 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:43:54am

re: #696 realwest

Hey Shiplord, those are, I believe three different photos of three different events.

Of course, but the question referred specifically to the "conical" explosions so I ignored the flares and other ordnance.

re: #695 jester6

Thanks. That is what I suspected.

A few more questions. Since most of what I know of cluster bombs comes from YouTube weapons porn or propoganda from the peace movement I figure the answer is somewhere in the middle.

Are the bomblets designed to sit on the ground like unexploded mines or are the supposed to detonate on impact?

If they are supposed to detonate on impact what is considered an acceptable number of duds?

Are the bright streaks burning propellant or some sort of tracer material like phosphorous?


There are many different kinds of bomblets. The most common are anti-armor types that are designed to blow through the top armor of tanks on contact. These are also usable against structures and personnel. Fragmentation bomblets, designed to kill personnel, are relatively rare since the anti-armor types will take care of that job too.
There are in fact mine payloads that are intended to sit on the ground until something hits them. Since they are clearly visible to people on foot, they are most usable against vehicles or as a temporary area-denial weapon. US types always have a self-destruct timer to render them harmless after a relatively short period. The acceptable percentage of duds has to be fairly small in my experience, since each bomb contains hundreds of bomblets, but I have never heard exact numbers.

726 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:44:03am

It takes a really talented cook to fuck up Pop Tarts.

727 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:44:15am

Here are a couple more interesting snippets from The Muqata:

'4:55 PM Israel TV Channel 10: Hamas Sources state: If we knew this [Israel's massive strike] was going to happen, we would not have broken the tahadya (cease-fire)'

Question - is tahadya different from hudna?

Also:
'5:28 PM Hamas top terrorists hiding out in basement of Gaza's Shifa hospital. (Muqata reported last week of reports that the largest stockpile in Gaza of Katyusha and Grad missiles was also in the same basement) [Channel 1 Israel TV]'

Isn't stockpiling missiles in hospitals also a warcrime?

728 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:44:27am

re: #719 WriterMom
Good morning, how are you doing today?

729 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:44:51am

re: #719 WriterMom

Good morning.

Good Morning WriterMom..
How are you today?

730 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:45:33am

re: #716 Ben Hur

Yo BenHur-Shavua Tov.

731 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:45:39am

re: #726 MandyManners
ROFL!
(and sheepishly raises hand!).

732 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:46:42am

re: #726 MandyManners

It takes a really talented cook to fuck up Pop Tarts.

There is always PB&J sammiches

733 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:47:07am

Hi Geepers, HH and realwest...I'm good. A little disturbed but of course not surprised by the outpouring of MoFo antsemitism in the guise of "anti-Israel" demos...very concerned about the IDF soldiers.

734 akak  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:47:20am

Hamas leaders hiding in hospitals as doctors & nurses, those poor patients!

Hamas shooting the legs of Fatah supporters, ouch.

735 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:47:20am

Here's a shock - BBC runs a PR piece for Hamas "Military"

Hamas ready for bitter urban battle

736 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:47:24am

re: #727 yma o hyd
"Isn't stockpiling missiles in hospitals also a warcrime?"
Of course, but from Hamas' pov, so what?!

737 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:47:30am

re: #727 yma o hyd

Here are a couple more interesting snippets from The Muqata:

'4:55 PM Israel TV Channel 10: Hamas Sources state: If we knew this [Israel's massive strike] was going to happen, we would not have broken the tahadya (cease-fire)'

Question - is tahadya different from hudna?

Also:
'5:28 PM Hamas top terrorists hiding out in basement of Gaza's Shifa hospital. (Muqata reported last week of reports that the largest stockpile in Gaza of Katyusha and Grad missiles was also in the same basement) [Channel 1 Israel TV]'

Isn't stockpiling missiles in hospitals also a warcrime?

Only when Israel attacks them. Otherwise, it's all ignored. Hamas engages in war crimes by its very existence - carrying out terror attacks against civilians, hiding in and among civilians, using human shields, etc.

Israel defending itself? That's the only war crime that the anti-Semites care about.

738 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:47:36am

re: #727 yma o hyd

"If we knew this [Israel's massive strike] was going to happen, we would not have broken the tahadya (cease-fire)"

I saw that earlier, and choked a bit. They're not big on cause and effect, are they?

739 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:47:53am

He Who blessed our forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - may He bless the fighters of the Israel Defense Force, who stand guard over our land and the cities of our God from the border of the Lebanon to the desert of Egypt, and from the Great Sea unto the approach of the Aravah, on the land, in the air, and on the sea.

May Hashem cause the enemies who rise up against us to be struck down before them. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, preserve and rescue our fighting men from every trouble and distress and from every plague and illness, and may He send blessing and success in their every endeavor. May He lead our enemies under their sway and may He grant them salvation and crown them with victory. And may there be fulfilled for them the verse: For it is Hashem, your God, Who goes with you to battle your enemies for you to save you. Now let us respond: Amen.

prayer for the army have in mind the IDF AND AMERICAN ARMY

740 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:48:01am

re: #726 MandyManners

It takes a really talented cook to fuck up Pop Tarts.

But tarts by definition enjoy that. Oh, you mean the processed pastry things. I burned one to charcoal in the microwave once, set the timer wrong and went off to entertain a real tart.

741 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:48:44am

re: #734 akak

Hamas leaders hiding in hospitals as doctors & nurses, those poor patients!

Hamas shooting the legs of Fatah supporters, ouch.

taking a lesson from the IRA. Whats next, drills to kneecap patients?

742 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:48:46am

re: #734 akak

Hamas leaders hiding in hospitals as doctors & nurses, those poor patients!

Hamas shooting the legs of Fatah supporters, ouch.

Hamas was trying to kill collaborators who were informing Israel as to their whereabouts. Hamas knew that Israel had real good intel in the opening phase. It had to come from somewhere. So, Hamas made the only logical conclusion it could - Fatah was behind the intel, so they're busy executing and attacking Fatah thugs.

743 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:48:47am

Here's some comedy relief. Hamas eases demands for ceasefire with Israel. Ya think?

744 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:48:49am

re: #718 realwest

I do hope so - but you ahve to remember that the EU has these 'commissioners', who act in a way like secretaries of various departments, and who are pretty entrenched in the EU culture.
The EU Presidency, which changes every six months, does allow for a different 'take' and for different directions on EU politics, but they have not that much power, really.
Unfortunately.
And the Czechs, being relatively new in this set-up, have of course not the bureaucratic influence as France has, one of the founder nations.
Oh - and i cannot recall one French president who wouldn't do anything for the 'Gloire' of France, and sod all the rest ...

745 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:49:43am

What is good in life?
To crush your enemies, to see their hybrids driven to the junkyard, and hear the lamentations of their media.

746 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:50:52am

re: #738 jaunte

"If we knew this [Israel's massive strike] was going to happen, we would not have broken the tahadya (cease-fire)"

I saw that earlier, and choked a bit. They're not big on cause and effect, are they?

That's because they believe "Inshallah".

748 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:50:55am

re: #735 karmic_inquisitor

Here's a shock - BBC runs a PR piece for Hamas "Military"

Hamas ready for bitter urban battle

Shocked?

Didya forget the sarc tag?

749 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:51:05am

re: #698 ploome hineni

they have to say something, they will do nothing

Ploome look what the Sob's got away with in 06' Lebanon and the results.

I say this presuming your aware Lebanon and Iran signed a 5-year security pact with Russia supplying arms?

750 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:51:30am

Yochanan-AMEN v' AMEN.

751 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:52:17am

re: #737 lawhawk

True dat ..

752 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:52:20am

Great quote from President Shimon Peres,

Relating to the Iranian connection to the events, Peres said that there are "two people responsible for the tragedy of the Arab world: Hassan Nasrallah, who is ultimately an Iranian agent, and Khaled Mashaal, who is also an Iranian agent."

Ouch. Thats gonna leave a mark.

753 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:53:16am

re: #738 jaunte

A very good example of the infantile thought processes prevailing in hamasthugs' minds ...

754 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:54:32am

re: #727 yma o hyd

If we knew this [Israel's massive strike] was going to happen, we would not have broken the tahadya (cease-fire)'

Isn't that about the exact same thing Nasrallah said in 2006.

755 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:54:51am

Is LGF dragging for anyone else? It feels a little hamster-ish for me...

756 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:55:00am

re: #743 Mich-again

Here's some comedy relief. Hamas eases demands for ceasefire with Israel. Ya think?

You want conditions?
OK,
1. Immediate release of Gilad Shallit, or returning his body

2. Unconditional end to attacks on Israel

3. Unconditional acceptance of the existence of the State of Israel.

That is a start.

757 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:55:32am

re: #743 Mich-again

Here's some comedy relief. Hamas eases demands for ceasefire with Israel. Ya think?

Heh.
Too late, you hamasthugs - play with fire, live with the consequences.

758 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:55:34am

re: #699 realwest

Good morning Geepers - it's possible that the "world" has become fed up with Hamas - Lord knows I hope so.
But it's also equally possible that the World doesn't wasnt Bush to go - from their pov - batshit crazy on the side of Israel in his waning days.


Now I hear that Jeb Bush is considering a run at the White House. After 4 years of BO he will more than likely be the candidate of "return to security" --- to see Israel attack now because they are unsure of the support they will get from the US in 14 days is a sure sign that the crazies may feel empowered.

All I hear on the news, besides Gaza of course, is Blago and Reid... what a mess the Dems have on their hands. And it will only get uglier with more infighting when Burris tries to take his seat. Can you see the media go ape shit if he is physically blocked from doing so?

Have the air popper at the ready and the Jiffy Pop handy.

759 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:56:37am

re: #756 smokefire

That is a start.

I don't see any point in negotiating with them at all. Their words mean nothing.

760 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:57:23am

I didn't realize he had passed away...
Sam Huntington Was Plainly Correct

If 2008 taught us anything, it was the danger of listening to people who tell us what we want to hear. Anybody with a lick of sense should have seen that we were living inside a bubble of Panglossian optimism that had little basis in observable fact. But as George Orwell quipped, "To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."

Samuel P. Huntington, the eminent Harvard political scientist who died on Christmas Eve, was used to being derided for his ability to see what was in front of our collective nose and to describe it to people who didn't want to hear. In 1957, he rankled the academic establishment with his first book, The Soldier and the State, which argued that protecting our liberal political and social order required a professional military that held a far less idealistic view of human nature than many of us tender.

His thesis appalled academic elites of the day, who misread it as a defense of militarism. In fact, Huntington - all his life a New Deal Democrat - argued that liberals favor individualism because they take security for granted. Conservatives, including soldiers, understand that security is not in the natural order of things and that protecting our liberal order in a hostile world requires rejecting the standard liberal view of good, evil and human nature.

The Soldier and the State, despite its seeming paradoxical, ideologically inconvenient message, went on to become a realist classic - and Huntington's brilliant career was launched.

If you've heard of Sam Huntington at all, it's probably because of his 1996 book, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order . He was the Cassandra who showed up at the post-Cold War victory party to point out that history hadn't ended at all and that Western liberal democracy hadn't been vindicated as a universal ideal. In fact, he said, the world was headed into a time of multipolar conflict in which culture was the dominant factor in international relations.

This was heresy to the globalized cosmopolitan elites, who had convinced themselves that capitalism and democracy had trumped older loyalties of race, religion and soil. Huntington struck a particular nerve by drawing attention to what he called "Islam's bloody borders" - the plain fact that Muslims were involved in far more intergroup armed conflicts than members of any other of the contemporary world's nine great civilizations. ...

761 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:57:28am

re: #738 jaunte
Hey juante - nope they aren't big on cause and effect; course they woulda "broken" the treaty anyway since all they want to do is destroy Israel.
How are ya doing?

762 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:58:02am

Have the air popper at the ready and the Jiffy Pop handy.

Air Popper and Jiffy Pop? Damn, you are behind the times.

More like Microwave, and Orville Redenbackers.

763 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:58:26am

So I see that the Arab League is going to step up to the plate and deploy a multinational pan-Arab...

... whining brigade to New York City.

764 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:58:35am

re: #754 Mich-again

Isn't that about the exact same thing Nasrallah said in 2006.

Its a good indication of never having become a real adult when one repeats the same mistake over and over ...
Sixty years is a long time - but some people apaprently never get it!

765 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:59:28am

Mornin' Lizard Nation...

Been glued to the TV watching the events in Gaza.

Godspeed to the IDF.

766 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:59:28am

Remember to click on this link to give food and aid to the furbabies. Keep it bookmarked and click on every day.

767 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:59:29am

re: #759 Mich-again

...don't start, I am already in trouble for having diarria of the fingers, this morning. And deservedly so, too.

768 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:59:31am

re: #764 yma o hyd

Its a good indication of never having become a real adult when one repeats the same mistake over and over ...
Sixty years is a long time - but some people apaprently never get it!

I thought that was a good indication one was mentally ill...

769 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:59:39am

re: #726 MandyManners

It takes a really talented cook to fuck up Pop Tarts.

Ignore the toast in the toaster part and nuke 'em for a 5 to 10 secs.

Hey, next time come on over here - I made hashbrowns, sausage,a nd eggs. Hubby likes Sunday mornings - he gets something besides cereal.

770 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:59:52am

I just saw a Jack LaLanne Commercial.. Gak! That guy is still alive? What a stud!

771 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:59:55am

re: #747 J.D.
Good morning {J.D.} - LOL! How are ya today?

772 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:00:04am

re: #758 summergurl

When Joe Biden prophesied that Obama would face a serious test early in his term, he probably didn't realize it would come from within his own party. What a mess they have to deal with. And try as they might, they won't be able to blame it all on GWB, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove.

773 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:00:31am

re: #765 loppyd

Loppy, did you see that the sox signed Brad Penny to a contract? #5 starter to me.

774 broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:01:06am

FoxNews alert - President Peres grows a pair!

775 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:01:09am

re: #768 J.D.

I thought that was a good indication one was mentally ill...

Ahem - I didn't want to be quite so direct ...

;-)

776 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:01:14am

re: #752 Mich-again
Well ya know, the truth does hurt sometimes!

777 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:01:26am

re: #761 realwest

Hi real; still enduring a code in my node. How's it going with you?

778 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:01:39am

re: #765 loppyd

Mornin' Lizard Nation...

Been glued to the TV watching the events in Gaza.

Godspeed to the IDF.

{LoppyD} good morning! Go IDF!

779 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:02:06am

re: #765 loppyd

{lopps}

Did you have a nice holiday? Happy New Year!

780 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:02:09am
781 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:03:06am

re: #771 realwest

Good morning {J.D.} - LOL! How are ya today?

{realwest}
I'm very good well. Yourself?

782 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:03:24am

re: #780 ploome hineni

not if muslims do it

and hiding behind women and children, and firing at IDF is not either?

783 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:03:54am

re: #752 Mich-again

Great quote from President Shimon Peres,


Ouch. Thats gonna leave a mark.

I have heard the connection between Iran and Hamas being brought up more and more in recent days by Israel. Heard an Israeli Ambassador (?) this AM on Fox state that Israel was going to end this once and for all.

Can you do that without including Iran?

784 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:04:20am

Good morning, Lizards. I'd like your opinion.

Last night I was driving home just after six--it was dark. I needed to go south before I could turn around to head north. I went to the next traffic light, saw a green arrow, and did a u-turn-then was promptly pulled over for doing an illegal u-turn.

I NEVER saw the sign. I was concentrating on the green left arrow.

Should I sign the ticket, plead guilty, and pay the fine, or go to court? It's the lowest-level infraction and it won't be any points, but I'm bummed because I never would have made the turn if I had seen the sign/

your thoughts?

785 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:04:23am

re: #775 yma o hyd

Ahem - I didn't want to be quite so direct ...

;-)

Oh, dear. I'm always just out with it. Maybe I'll learn one day...maybe not...
;-)

786 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:04:30am

re: #758 summergurl
What, you didn't hear Roseanne Barr (that noted intellectual) spouting off about this being all the fault of Israel?
Don't know Jeb Bush - we've got aways to go now, but someone out here yesterday said that he thinks the reason Obama hasn't said anything is because Obama doesn't want to contradict a sitting President.
Lord, I hope that's not true, but fear it might be.

787 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:05:01am
788 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:05:08am

re: #762 smokefire

Have the air popper at the ready and the Jiffy Pop handy.

Air Popper and Jiffy Pop? Damn, you are behind the times.

More like Microwave, and Orville Redenbackers.


nope no microwave popcorn for me - prefer air popped.

789 Geepers  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:05:33am

goddessoftheclassroom (#784),

Sign it and be done.

790 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:06:12am

re: #784 goddessoftheclassroom

My $.02
Just pay and be very very glad you don't have to go to driver's school.

791 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:06:20am

And silence to the north.

Have Hezbollah/Iran/Syria been deterred by Israel's use of overwhelming force? They said they would get into action if Israel invaded; well Israel has invaded. So it looks like they plan to do nothing or come with everything.

The inevitable Israeli combat deaths are starting to occur. Many wounded, some severe. Instead of hails of weaponry, the IDF seems to be facing pockets of fighting. If this bears out, the butchers bill will be lighter than I had ever dared hope. You may have also noted that the number of rockets has dropped dramatically. This is because it is exceedingly difficult to execute terror attacks when three Israeli divisions , the IAF, the drones, the special forces and FATAH are all undoing your every move.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the fallen and we pray a speedy and complete recovery to the wounded.

792 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:06:40am

re: #784 goddessoftheclassroom

goddessoftheclassroom, accept responsibilty for the action. Pay the fine, move on. Going to court, getting a lawyer, will only prolong the agony.

793 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:06:59am

re: #788 summergurl

nope no microwave popcorn for me - prefer air popped.

I do it the old fashioned way. Throw the kernel up in the air and hit it with a .22 short from a pistol. Time consuming, but they are certainly crunchy.

794 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:07:43am

{Geepers}
{J.D.}
{smokefire}

Thank you. Do you think it will affect my car insurance?

795 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:08:13am

re: #776 realwest

Well ya know, the truth does hurt sometimes!

Calling them out as traitors to their Sunni brethren, which they are. Then again, every day is like Ashura when you are a Pali thug.

796 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:09:04am

re: #772 Mich-again
Yeah you're right again Mich. But I still don't know what legal grounds the Dems would have to block Harris from being seated. Blago isn't under indictment, hasn't been impeached and is still the lawful Govenor of Illinois. As such he has the legal right to appoint whomever he chooses - that Burris seems qualified to be a Senator is probably what has Reid, Durbin, et.al. so pissed off.
Seriously, what legal grounds do the Senate Dem's have to refuse Harris a seat in the Senate?!

797 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:09:58am

re: #772 Mich-again

When Joe Biden prophesied that Obama would face a serious test early in his term, he probably didn't realize it would come from within his own party. What a mess they have to deal with. And try as they might, they won't be able to blame it all on GWB, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove.

agreed...not coming out early one way or another on this Gaza thing then photod'd playng golf is gonna piss off a whole lot of people that depend on him to lead to the light...his whole thing has fallen aprart since the election...he doesnt know jack shit about economics or geoplolitics and it's showing...hoping for a domino affect myself...all this expectation and all they get is a waffle...haha!

798 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:10:04am

re: #794 goddessoftheclassroom

That, I don't know. Ask them at the county clerk's office whether or not they know.

799 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:10:27am

From the Muqata:
5:28 PM Hamas top terrorists hiding out in basement of Gaza's Shifa hospital. (Muqata reported last week of reports that the largest stockpile in Gaza of Katyusha and Grad missiles was also in the same basement
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

800 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:10:45am
801 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:10:53am

re: #786 realwest

What, you didn't hear Roseanne Barr (that noted intellectual) spouting off about this being all the fault of Israel?
Don't know Jeb Bush - we've got aways to go now, but someone out here yesterday said that he thinks the reason Obama hasn't said anything is because Obama doesn't want to contradict a sitting President.
Lord, I hope that's not true, but fear it might be.


Roseanne Barr, Rosie, Joy Behr, Cynthia McKinney - all moonbats - I try to ignore their drivel.

Whatever the reason, I think BO is doing the wise thing by not offering an opinion at this point (did I really say that?) . With that said if he agreed he would say we will continue to support Israel and their right to protect their people.

Which goes to show Israel had the intel to know to act now before Bush left.

802 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:11:06am

re: #777 jaunte
Sorry to hear about the cold my friend. ZINC! ZINC and Vitamin C I tells ya, and plenty of bed-rest.
LOL!
I'm doing ok, but have to run out and do some chores like NOW!
Hope you feel better soon!

803 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:11:16am

re: #794 goddessoftheclassroom

{Geepers}
{J.D.}
{smokefire}

Thank you. Do you think it will affect my car insurance?

Don't know, but I got gonged for using cell phone [illegal in Ct, without handsfree device] 150$ ticket, and my insurance has not gone up. Might depend on insurance company and location.

804 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:12:14am
805 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:12:57am

re: #784 goddessoftheclassroom

That depends on the municipality. It is common around here to show up and fight the ticket, not that you will actually win the case, but the judge usually drops the charge to "impeding traffic" or something similar. The fine goes up, but there are no points that will drive up your insurance rate. And in the case that the officer doesn't show up in court, the judge will toss the ticket out.

Its a business case decision. Sometimes taking the day off work costs more than the ticket.

806 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:13:02am

re: #803 smokefire

Wow! $150?
I know jaywalking in Pasadena, CA will cost one about $300. A bit steep, imho.

807 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:13:02am
808 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:13:45am

re: #794 goddessoftheclassroom

{Geepers}
{J.D.}
{smokefire}

Thank you. Do you think it will affect my car insurance?

How could it if it doesn't put points on your license?

809 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:13:58am
810 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:14:33am

re: #806 J.D.

Wow! $150?
I know jaywalking in Pasadena, CA will cost one about $300. A bit steep, imho.

...gotta pay for all the welfare programs in CT, and CA.

Don't get me started.

811 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:14:45am

re: #781 J.D.
I'm doing ok, thanks! Running late for chores, though!
Glad to hear you're doing I'm very good well! Must mean goddess is on the thread or LeePro!

812 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:15:47am

re: #807 ploome hineni

what state are you in? I will find out for you

You are SO kind! Pennsylvania.

813 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:16:05am

re: #784 goddessoftheclassroomHi there {goddess} fight it, YOU didn't put up that sign!

814 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:16:06am

re: #809 ploome hineni

I paid almost $200 for "running a red light" and did Improv traffic school. I didn't run the light, but I think I took off a little too fast to satisfy the policewoman who (I knew) was behind me. What are you gonna do? *shrug*

815 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:16:24am

re: #799 jaunte

They probably hide rockets in a hospital basement so they can load them and transport them around in ambulances.

816 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:16:58am

re: #808 MandyManners

How could it if it doesn't put points on your license?

{MandyManners}
I don't know--I'm such a goody-two -shoes that this is the first ticket I've had in my adult life.

817 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:17:04am

Well y'all - hard as it is to tear myself away, I must go and get some chores done - rough week ahead!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

818 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:17:15am

re: #815 Mich-again

Security and a chance for outrage; it's a twofer.

819 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:17:19am

re: #810 smokefire

...gotta pay for all the welfare programs in CT, and CA.

Don't get me started.

I know. We'll let it go... ;-)

820 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:18:00am

re: #816 goddessoftheclassroom

this is the first ticket I've had in my adult life.

Wow. just wow.

821 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:19:05am

Pretty darned good video by Elder of Ziyon!

822 nanook  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:19:07am

re: #600 lawhawk

Thanks, law. Knew it was out there somewhere and if I mentioned it, some clever LGF'er would post the video. One of my favorite movies of all time!

823 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:19:08am

Hey All!

What's news?

824 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:19:32am

re: #816 goddessoftheclassroom

{MandyManners}
I don't know--I'm such a goody-two -shoes that this is the first ticket I've had in my adult life.

I must be a goody-two-shoes, too! The one I mentioned was my first ticket...that I had to pay. The only one before that, I left work to defend and the policeman didn't show so it was thrown out. He was wrong, anyway.

825 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:19:48am

re: #816 goddessoftheclassroom

{MandyManners}
I don't know--I'm such a goody-two -shoes that this is the first ticket I've had in my adult life.


And just how many tickets did you get in childhood? That may be an issue..LOL
Good Morning

826 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:19:50am

re: #803 smokefire

Don't know, but I got gonged for using cell phone [illegal in Ct, without handsfree device] 150$ ticket, and my insurance has not gone up. Might depend on insurance company and location.

Since you mentioned gonged, if you missed my #703 and realwest's #709, please look. Report button is the exclamation point. Time may be short.

827 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:19:58am

re: #814 J.D.

I paid almost $200 for "running a red light" and did Improv traffic school. I didn't run the light, but I think I took off a little too fast to satisfy the policewoman who (I knew) was behind me. What are you gonna do? *shrug*

I n ABQ it's the radar cameras over intersections...there is no escape

828 3 wood  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:20:16am

Sam Shepard has not had a fun 2009 so far. Nice mug shot. :

Actor, playwright Sam Shepard arrested in Normal for alleged DUI

NORMAL -- Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright and actor Sam Shepard was arrested early Saturday in Normal for allegedly driving under the influence and speeding after visiting a downtown Bloomington tavern, police said.

Shepard, 65, of Midway, Ky., was northbound in the 700 block of North Main Street around 2 a.m. when officers clocked him on radar going 46 mph in a 30 mph zone and pulled him over, said Normal police Lt. Mark Kotte.

I know the stretch of road he got busted on. I can't speak to the "under the influence" part, but that stretch of road is a well know speed trap around here. It's right off of Illinois State University Campus and the road is 4 lanes across and goes from 45 mph down to 30 real quick. There all kinds of service driveways and side streets that the radar crews lay up in.

See you in court Sam.

829 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:20:49am

re: #823 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey All!

What's news?

Good morning Lt. Did you run at least a mile on the treadmill?

830 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:21:06am

re: #827 albusteve

I n ABQ it's the radar cameras over intersections...there is no escape

You got any snow down there this morning?

831 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:21:09am

The one good thing about going to traffic court to fight a ticket is the free entertainment. Watching one person after another go up to the judge and explain themselves can be downright funny after a while. I don't know how any judge could do it day after day and keep a straight face. It is never ever ever the driver's fault.

Traffic court and the public boat launch. The two best places for free entertainment.

832 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:21:31am

re: #823 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I've been a very bad boy...*slinks head*, and sits in corner.

833 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:22:25am

re: #827 albusteve

I n ABQ it's the radar cameras over intersections...there is no escape

I wish there had been one there, since I didn't run the light! ! !

834 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:22:35am

re: #813 realwest

Hi there {goddess} fight it, YOU didn't put up that sign!

It's not that I deny I did it--I just didn't see any sign. I didn't even pull over at first because it never occurred to me that I had done something.

The officer was nice, though. He asked me for my documents, and I gave them to him without saying a word. He then said, "Do you know why I pulled you over?" I said, "Honestly, sir, I have no idea,"

He explained that I made the illegal U-turn. I told him I saw the green arrow, but he said No U-Turn is posted--there had been 3 fatalities in the past 2 years at that intersection during U-turns [I didn't ask how that could be if it was made on a green arrow].

The ticket itself is $25 but with the state surcharges, the total is $108. I more concerned with the insurance implications, but again, there are no points.

835 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:23:11am

re: #784 goddessoftheclassroom

Have you checked out the Ticket Clinic? [Link: www.theticketclinic.com...]

They have a national number too. They go to court for you, saves you the trouble. They require a small fee, but usually can get the fine reduced. Worth a call.

836 Marvo76  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:23:17am

re: #632 ayatollah ghilmeini


Sorry, the halon was developed by Nasa after the apollo fires killed the astronauts in the capsule, they may have adapted it, but the US was the developer...

837 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:23:42am

re: #766 newsjunkie_ky

Awww, thanks for posting this!

838 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:23:42am

re: #834 goddessoftheclassroom

If there are no points, there should not be any effect on your insurance rates.

839 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:23:55am

re: #826 abolitionist

Since you mentioned gonged, if you missed my #703 and realwest's #709, please look. Report button is the exclamation point. Time may be short.

ok, and how do I erase my own post?

840 3 wood  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:24:01am

re: #829 HoosierHoops

Condolences on the Indy - Chargers game.

841 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:24:05am

re: #829 HoosierHoops

Good morning Lt. Did you run at least a mile on the treadmill?

Walked 30 minutes. Won't run again until I can get back outside. I do it first thing before any food, supposed to help with fat burning.

842 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:24:22am

re: #816 goddessoftheclassroom

{MandyManners}
I don't know--I'm such a goody-two -shoes that this is the first ticket I've had in my adult life.

Amazing!

843 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:24:28am

re: #830 Walter L. Newton

You got any snow down there this morning?

no...it's been sunny and up to the high fifties the last few days...typical winter weather...glorious...the high country is doing well for snow again this year

844 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:24:56am

re: #832 smokefire

I've been a very bad boy...*slinks head*, and sits in corner.

Sorry to hear that... you are forgiven, go forth and sin no more.

845 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:24:56am
846 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:25:10am

re: #825 HoosierHoops

And just how many tickets did you get in childhood? That may be an issue..LOL
Good Morning

Ha ha.

I got one speeding ticket when I was 16 (In Maryland, early 80s). My dad told me to go to court (he went with me). Half my class was thee--it had been a speed trap. the judge must have hated the cop because he found us all "PBJ," probation before judgment, which meant if we stayed out of trouble for 24 hours, we were presumed innocent.

847 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:25:14am

re: #833 J.D.

I wish there had been one there, since I didn't run the light! ! !

exactly...it works both ways

848 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:25:25am

re: #841 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Walked 30 minutes. Won't run again until I can get back outside. I do it first thing before any food, supposed to help with fat burning.


Does coffee count as food?

849 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:25:28am

re: #835 marjoriemoon

There's actually a way to reduce the cost of tickets in NYC - if you admit guilt, you can pay a reduced fine on parking tickets.

850 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:25:30am

re: #840 3 wood

Darren Sproles is a waterbug on turf.

851 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:25:44am

re: #836 Marvo76

halon, when developed was also used to protect valuable computer/electronic equipment. Displaces oxygen, and can cause breathing difficulty when in enclosed area's.

852 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:27:00am

re: #821 yma o hyd

Yesterday someone posted some stats about the relative size and population of Gaza and Philadelphia. I thought it was worth putting up again.
Good to bear in mind every time someone claims that the Gaza strip is one of the most densely populated places on Earth.

Gaza Strip: population 1,481,080, 139 sq miles
Philadelphia: population 1,449,634, 135 sq miles

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Somehow the folks in Philly have refrained from shooting rockets at their neighbors over in Camden.

853 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:27:06am

re: #839 smokefire

ok, and how do I erase my own post?

You don't. But you can call attention to it yourself. It (plus some others) will surely be deleted, less certain is whether you'll be around an hour from now. There's also the e-mail tool at top left.

854 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:27:09am

re: #848 J.D.

Does coffee count as food?

Put anything in it? If black, then no... if loaded with creamy goodness, then yes.

Key is the body must be in a depleted state (after the nightly fast works fine)... that way the only "food" available is gluscose in the liver and fats. Better chance of getting some fat that way.

855 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:28:49am

re: #849 lawhawk

heh, parking is an issue in NY yes? They're trying to get those people in to pay their tickets. Not a bad idea.

856 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:28:51am

re: #854 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Glucose, even... PIMF

857 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:28:53am

Halon has fallen out of favor as an industrial fire supression agent for environmental reasons. Nasty stuff those CFC's.

858 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:29:01am

re: #828 3 wood

Sam Shepard has not had a fun 2009 so far. Nice mug shot. :

Actor, playwright Sam Shepard arrested in Normal for alleged DUI


I know the stretch of road he got busted on. I can't speak to the "under the influence" part, but that stretch of road is a well know speed trap around here. It's right off of Illinois State University Campus and the road is 4 lanes across and goes from 45 mph down to 30 real quick. There all kinds of service driveways and side streets that the radar crews lay up in.

See you in court Sam.

I got ticketed in a similar area a while back but, the limit goes from 55 to 45 to 30 over a very short distance. I was clocked doing 51 in a 30 but, the officer wrote it for 49 in a 30, thereby giving me the chance to have the whole thing tossed if I paid $50.00 for traffic school. If he had written it for 21 mph over, I would've been in a world of hurt. I think that's a "reckless driving" charge.

859 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:29:04am

re: #854 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hmmm...I switched from cream to coffeemate powder.

860 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:29:07am

re: #850 Mich-again

Darren Sproles is a waterbug on turf.

and A Gaits made some bigtime plays too...they deserved to win that one...great game imo

861 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:29:17am

re: #838 Mich-again

If there are no points, there should not be any effect on your insurance rates.

I got pulled over by the CHP in California for running a red light by my house when we lived in Napa. He followed me home and it turns out we used to work together at Mare Island..We sat and talked for about a half hour..My wife called out the door..'You didn't tell me you were bring company home for dinner'
Then right before he left he wrote me a ticket..
How do you fight that? LOL

862 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:29:31am

re: #784 goddessoftheclassroom

Go to ''night court'' or ''traffic court'' and plead ''guilty with an explanation SIR.," to the judge.
Be VERY respectful and make eye contact.
Use good posture.
Explain what you saw.
You probably will get off without a fine at all.
(I studied how traffic court judges decided cases in college for a criminal justice class. Respectful, eye-contact making, non-slouching persons who plead guilty with an explanation got off almost as much as people who appeared to be older than 60. )

863 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:29:37am

re: #773 smokefire

Loppy, did you see that the sox signed Brad Penny to a contract? #5 starter to me.

No, I didn't catch that...I guess it's good news. They have plenty of money to spend after losing Texiera (sp?).

864 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:29:50am

Think I'll go for a walk.
Y'all play nice. ;-)

865 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:29:54am

re: #859 J.D.

Hmmm...I switched from cream to coffeemate powder.

Ewww. I'd stick to the cream myself... and have it after the cardio.

866 jcm  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:30:15am

re: #834 goddessoftheclassroom

Most insurance companies are looking for patterns. One ticket a pattern does not make.

867 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:30:52am

re: #858 MandyManners

Of course, signing the ticket "go piss up a rope" doesn't help. :)
/

868 J.D.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:30:58am

re: #865 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ewww. I'd stick to the cream myself... and have it after the cardio.


For me, that would be sleepwalking! lol

869 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:31:13am

re: #860 albusteve

great game imo

Definately. Nothing like the NFL playoffs.

Me and the 14 YO watched the game, neither of us really cared who won. But we were both screaming at Tony Dungy to take the safety instead of punting from the end zone. Give your defense a chance to win the game.

870 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:31:35am

re: #836 Marvo76

I stand corrected

871 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:31:46am

Can some Lizards go to the BBC News Frontpage here, please - and complain to the BBC as well about the Goebbels-like propaganda perpetrated by the 'slideshow' they've put up for their lead story?

The juxtaposition of children, wounded or terrified, with pictures of IDF artillery and IAF bombs says without words that the Israelis are child-killers.
I'm sick of it!

Thank you!

872 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:32:29am

re: #778 HoosierHoops

{LoppyD} good morning! Go IDF!

{Hooosier Daddy!}

Good Morning to you!

I saw a pig fly past my window earlier when Dick Durbin was on "It's week with George Snuffleupagus" and supported Israel's actions without any buts or talk of proportionality.

873 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:32:29am
874 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:33:06am

re: #840 3 wood

Condolences on the Indy - Chargers game.

The noose is still hanging in the garage..It was tempting! LOL

875 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:33:07am

re: #846 goddessoftheclassroom

Ha ha.

I got one speeding ticket when I was 16 (In Maryland, early 80s). My dad told me to go to court (he went with me). Half my class was thee--it had been a speed trap. the judge must have hated the cop because he found us all "PBJ," probation before judgment, which meant if we stayed out of trouble for 24 hours, we were presumed innocent.

I got out of a few tickets when I was a teen by cwying my widdle head off to the THP. The one time I got nailed was for doing 79 in 30 by a small town cop while I was trying to get my friend home before her curfew. It's been a long time but, I think the ticket was $300. My parents let me drive to school only--later amended to do some shopping for my mom--for a long, long time.

876 3 wood  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:33:21am

Here we go again with the Brett Favre retirement crap:

Report: Favre told Jets to 'look in different direction'

The NFL regular season has been over for less than a week but the speculation over New York Jets quarterback Brett Favre's future has already begun.

Favre said when he spoke to Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum on Monday, he told him "it may be time to look in a different direction" at the quarterback, Peter King of SI.com reported. King spoke to Favre on Friday about his plans.

Favre and the Jets finished the season by losing four of their last five. The skid cost coach Eric Mangini his job.

King said Tannenbaum asked Favre to take his time in thinking about the future.

"I'm going to do like Mike [Tannenbaum] says -- give it a few weeks and make a decision,'' Favre told King.

The NFL's cornerbacks and safeties have been telling Favre for several years that he is over the hill and should retire, by how they have been sitting back and then jumping his passes. This is no news to anybody with eyes to see and is not kidding themselves.

Favre should have been benched with about 4 games to go in the season, then maybe the Jets would still be playing.

Favre, you are done. Stay home, volunteer at the local high school and get on with your life before you get bad hurt out there.

877 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:33:29am

re: #779 WriterMom

{lopps}

Did you have a nice holiday? Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you!

We had a very nice Christmas. Mellow and peaceful.

How were your holidays?

878 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:34:11am

re: #869 Mich-again

Definately. Nothing like the NFL playoffs.

Me and the 14 YO watched the game, neither of us really cared who won. But we were both screaming at Tony Dungy to take the safety instead of punting from the end zone. Give your defense a chance to win the game.

good point...and they might have...btw I noticed Rivers leaves the pocket mighty quick and doesnt make too many plays when he does...jus sayin...he nearly turned the game a coupla times bailing out like that

879 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:34:34am

re: #876 3 wood

Add Bret Favre to the long list of unretired athletes that should have stayed retired.

880 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:34:55am

re: #876 3 wood

Here we go again with the Brett Favre retirement crap:

Report: Favre told Jets to 'look in different direction'

The NFL's cornerbacks and safeties have been telling Favre for several years that he is over the hill and should retire, by how they have been sitting back and then jumping his passes. This is no news to anybody with eyes to see and is not kidding themselves.

Favre should have been benched with about 4 games to go in the season, then maybe the Jets would still be playing.

Favre, you are done. Stay home, volunteer at the local high school and get on with your life before you get bad hurt out there.

He knows nothing else but football. He needs to retire now while he still has some dignity left...if any.

881 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:34:57am

re: #867 Walter L. Newton

Of course, signing the ticket "go piss up a rope" doesn't help. :)
/

Oh, I was embarassed! Never would I write that. I wasn't even tempted.

882 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:35:02am

re: #872 loppyd

{Hooosier Daddy!}

Good Morning to you!

I saw a pig fly past my window earlier when Dick Durbin was on "It's week with George Snuffleupagus" and supported Israel's actions without any buts or talk of proportionality.

I Know! he sounded so reasonable! He is a dem right?

883 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:35:10am

Good morning from bleepin Illinois.
A special panel is in Sunday session in Springfield in order to get Blago's impeachment expidited.

884 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:35:14am

re: #878 albusteve

he nearly turned the game a coupla times bailing out like that

He kept trying to give the game to Indy but they kept giving it back.

885 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:35:19am

re: #857 Mich-again

Halon has fallen out of favor as an industrial fire supression agent for environmental reasons. Nasty stuff those CFC's.

I hear you there. Also very expensive

886 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:36:15am

re: #882 HoosierHoops

I Know! he sounded so reasonable! He is a dem right?

Indeed he is.

Maybe it's ok to support Israel now that Barry will be at the helm?

887 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:36:20am

re: #868 J.D.

For me, that would be sleepwalking! lol

That would be fine. No point in being awake when you do it.

888 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:36:22am

re: #879 Mich-again

Add Bret Favre to the long list of unretired athletes that should have stayed retired.

I feel for the guy...they should make up a name for that syndrome...too bad really

889 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:36:30am

re: #866 jcm

Most insurance companies are looking for patterns. One ticket a pattern does not make.


So true. My teenage daughter has a pattern...of running into the car in front of her. Hopefully, defensive driving school has broken the pattern, but not before our pristine insurance went through the roof.

890 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:36:40am

re: #885 smokefire

It is safer to people than dumping 34% CO2 into the room to stop a fire. That never ends well for any people stuck in the room.

891 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:37:06am

re: #884 Mich-again

He kept trying to give the game to Indy but they kept giving it back.

that's why it was a good game I guess!

892 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:37:17am

re: #884 Mich-again

He kept trying to give the game to Indy but they kept giving it back.

I had no real dog in that fight, but was sort of hoping Indy would win because I can't stand that b*tch L.T. I hope they get crushed in the first round.

893 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:37:53am

Off to visit the folks. Seeya.

894 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:38:29am

re: #893 Mich-again

Off to visit the folks. Seeya.

Ciao for now...

895 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:38:31am

re: #890 Mich-again

CO2 is OK for Class B & C fires, but for those Class A fires, [normal stuff] water is still the best agent.

896 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:39:22am

re: #892 loppyd

I had no real dog in that fight, but was sort of hoping Indy would win because I can't stand that b*tch L.T. I hope they get crushed in the first round.

Hey Now... that "b*tch L.T." thing wasn't aimed at me was it?

897 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:39:25am

re: #888 albusteve

I feel for the guy...they should make up a name for that syndrome...too bad really

They do have a name for it:
It's called ' Oh Shit! the only money coming in is from Wrangler Jean Commercials! '

898 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:40:29am

re: #896 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey Now... that "b*tch L.T." thing wasn't aimed at me was it?

LOL!

Nevah. :~)

899 snopercod  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:40:33am

re: #857 Mich-again

Halon has fallen out of favor...

Hardly. It's absolutely the best fire extinguisher for use on electronic equipment or in enclosed spaces like aircraft cockpits. It doesn't cause breathing problems, either, in concentrations less than ten percent in air.

The government tax of $44 per pound on Halon has made it prohibitively expensive to use.

900 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:41:03am

re: #871 yma o hyd

This is what I wrote to the BBC:

'Your front page of today's BBC News leads with a slide show, illustrating 'Israeli Troops clash with Hamas'
You show, juxtaposed, pictures of a terrified child, other children, a wounded child on a stretcher with pictures of Israeli artillery, Israeli air strikes.

This slide show thus does not show Israeli tropps clashing with Hamas - it implies with this imagery that Israeli troops attack children.

This is the worst, because insiduous, propaganda I've yet seen on the BBC.
Goebbels would have been proud of you - you should be ashamed of yourselves!

Respectfully,
(SNIP)'

I'm so angry, I could scream!

901 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:41:35am

re: #898 loppyd

ROFL

902 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:42:19am

re: #897 HoosierHoops

They do have a name for it:
It's called ' Oh Shit! the only money coming in is from Wrangler Jean Commercials! '

but he's gotta be filthy rich...he's obsessed

903 ErnieG  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:42:43am

re: #71 Emperor Norton

Has Car and Driver ever determined which cars burn the best? My guess would be Peugeots.

Peugeots burn longer, but Renaults burn with a hotter flame.

904 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:43:15am

re: #892 loppyd

I had no real dog in that fight, but was sort of hoping Indy would win because I can't stand that b*tch L.T. I hope they get crushed in the first round.

I always thought LT was a good guy

905 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:43:21am

re: #899 snopercod

Hardly. It's absolutely the best fire extinguisher for use on electronic equipment or in enclosed spaces like aircraft cockpits. It doesn't cause breathing problems, either, in concentrations less than ten percent in air.

The government tax of $44 per pound on Halon has made it prohibitively expensive to use.

Who's side is our government on anyway? Oh yeah... their own.

906 Miss Trixie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:43:34am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Drat. Missed realwest. I'll catch up with him later.

I got a speeding ticket while driving highway 50 out of Gatineau, Quebec just across the river. Thing is, I was driving at the speed of traffic BUT because I had Ontario tags, I was pulled over. The officer was snarky, refused to speak English and presented me with a ticket in the amount of $250.

907 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:43:44am

OK, BBL, MAYBE. , if am not flushed down the toilet. Hey I admit it, fingers overtook better sense.

F**KED UP. BIG TIME

908 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:44:19am

re: #903 ErnieG

Peugeots burn longer, but Renaults burn with a hotter flame.

The smoke from a BMW fire smells sweet..why is that?

909 ErnieG  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:44:20am

Ask The One an awkward question and THEY DOCK YOU...

...if you're lucky.

910 AuntAcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:44:21am

"We will, we will...dock you!"

911 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:44:22am

re: #872 loppyd

{Hooosier Daddy!}

Good Morning to you!

I saw a pig fly past my window earlier when Dick Durbin was on "It's week with George Snuffleupagus" and supported Israel's actions without any buts or talk of proportionality.


I saw that & was really not surprised. Durbin is only playing Illinois, Democrat politics. He came to the right conclusion I think that we all would agree, but he would never support the U.S in a similar situation.

912 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:44:42am

re: #899 snopercod

Hardly. It's absolutely the best fire extinguisher for use on electronic equipment or in enclosed spaces like aircraft cockpits. It doesn't cause breathing problems, either, in concentrations less than ten percent in air.

The government tax of $44 per pound on Halon has made it prohibitively expensive to use.

I've been to the Smokey the Bear Museum and I didnt learn that...interesting

913 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:44:48am

re: #908 HoosierHoops

The smoke from a BMW fire smells sweet..why is that?

It's a German thing...

914 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:44:55am

re: #906 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Drat. Missed realwest. I'll catch up with him later.

I got a speeding ticket while driving highway 50 out of Gatineau, Quebec just across the river. Thing is, I was driving at the speed of traffic BUT because I had Ontario tags, I was pulled over. The officer was snarky, refused to speak English and presented me with a ticket in the amount of $250.

If the officer spoke French wouldn't he have been snarqui?

915 razorbacker  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:45:04am

re: #880 loppyd

He knows nothing else but football. He needs to retire now while he still has some dignity left...if any.

I like Favre. I wish that he'd remained retired this year, and expect him to re-retire this year. He's prolly going to make someone a pretty decent quarterback's coach.

But athletes remaining past their prime is a well-known phenomenon.

Sometimes happens to politicians, too. See Senator Byrd.

I guess it can happen to a state's voting public, too. If Governor Ventura was a joke, surely Senator Franken is the punch line.

916 snopercod  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:46:15am

re: #905 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh, and I was wrong about the tax. It's up to $62.50 per pound on Halon 1301 now. If I'm not mistaken, a large portion of that "tax" goes to the third world, according to the Montreal Protocol.

917 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:46:19am

Did you see Meet the Press this a.m.? Harry Reid was on. He was 150% behind Israel. Among other things, he said they have a right to self-defense and that the U.S. would never tolerate 8 years of daily missile bombardment and neither should Israel.

The panel included Andrea Mitchell (Lollipop girl... is her head like hugely big on her disproportionately puny body?), an NYT correspondence, an Arab correspondent from Al-Aqiya TV (?), Katty Kay (BBC), I like her. Anyway, Mitchell spouted out some BS about how Hamas was expecting this. If so, why did Haniyeh and his minions run into their hidey-holes at the very start? The NYT and the Arab fellow probably had the best things to say.

They talked about the difference between this conflict and Lebannon. Israel, of course, has more control over what they do in Gaza than what happened in 2006. And although Israel maintains that this mission is to stop the Kassams (and it is), they must also crush Hamas. If they are able to launch even one rocket after this, they will consider themselves the victor.

I can't see Hizbollah lending support now to Hamas. If they are able to crush Hamas completely, I think it would be a huge deterrent to Hizbollah. Iran, I don't know. I would hope.

The Arab world, S.A., Eygpt, Jordan, P.A. are no friends of Hamas nor Iran. They don't want to see a nuclear Iran anymore than we do. They are concerned for the Arab population in Gaza of course, but it would be a good thing if they came under the control of Fatah. Israel has an opportunity for peace here. Not tree hugging, kumbiyah peace, but a stop of violence if they leave Gaza with no Hamas leaders standing.

918 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:46:56am

re: #916 snopercod

Oh, and I was wrong about the tax. It's up to $62.50 per pound on Halon 1301 now. If I'm not mistaken, a large portion of that "tax" goes to the third world, according to the Montreal Protocol.

Say what? *thud*

919 Miss Trixie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:46:58am

re: #914 Bloodnok

If the officer spoke French wouldn't he have been snarqui?

Very clever!

*applause*

Upschwingading!

920 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:47:06am

Thank you all for you advice on my ticket. I just call my insurance company, and since 1) there are no points and 2) it's the only ticket, my rates won't go up.

Taking the day off school is more trouble than the ticket. I will write a letter of explanation to enclose with the fine to make myself feel better!

921 jcm  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:47:32am

re: #895 smokefire

CO2 is OK for Class B & C fires, but for those Class A fires, [normal stuff] water is still the best agent.

A class B&C powder is about a destructive to electronics as letting it burn. Course letting it burn as other problems, like the building then catching fire.

922 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:48:41am

re: #880 loppyd

So, he's contemplating retiring. Again.

I thought he retired about six weeks ago. That's when his arm gave out, and I wonder just exactly he told the team about his arm.

923 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:49:07am

re: #872 loppyd

I like Stephanopolous. I like George Will and Cokie best, but they had that hag Katrina whatever and I can't bear her so I didn't pay attention.

924 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:49:58am

re: #917 marjoriemoon

Harry "this war is lost" Reid?

Reid realizes he is in trouble politically. He better shape up and fake like he's on the ride side of history or his ass is out. Personally - I think his 2007 comment that "This war is lost" while our troops are still fighting on the ground in Iraq - is unforgivable.

925 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:50:11am

re: #841 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Walked 30 minutes. Won't run again until I can get back outside. I do it first thing before any food, supposed to help with fat burning.

That's what I do every morning too - before breakfast if I can.

926 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:50:48am

re: #915 razorbacker

I like Favre. I wish that he'd remained retired this year, and expect him to re-retire this year. He's prolly going to make someone a pretty decent quarterback's coach.

But athletes remaining past their prime is a well-known phenomenon.

Sometimes happens to politicians, too. See Senator Byrd.

I guess it can happen to a state's voting public, too. If Governor Ventura was a joke, surely Senator Franken is the punch line.

I don't quite see him as a coach. Too big a distraction and not someone who was known for adaptability in his game.

927 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:51:08am

re: #924 FrogMarch

Harry "this war is lost" Reid?

Reid realizes he is in trouble politically. He better shape up and fake like he's on the ride side of history or his ass is out. Personally - I think his 2007 comment that "This war is lost" while our troops were still fighting on the ground in Iraq - was and is unforgivable.

fxed - sort of...

928 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:51:35am

Andrea Mitchell now saying that BHO will be under enormous Intl pressure to restrain Israel. Uh huh

929 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:51:42am

re: #924 FrogMarch

Harry "this war is lost" Reid?

Reid realizes he is in trouble politically. He better shape up and fake like he's on the ride side of history or his ass is out. Personally - I think his 2007 comment that "This war is lost" while our troops are still fighting on the ground in Iraq - is unforgivable.

Harry Reid has no shame so don't expect him to do a 180 on his position. The dems are too cocky right now and frankly I like it. Let them rest on their laurels so we can mop the floor with them in 2010 and then send the big 0 packing in 2012.

930 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:52:06am

re: #925 summergurl

That's what I do every morning too - before breakfast if I can.

Good girl! My hobby is bodybuilding (I suck at it, my body blows, but its fun to do and see what I can get) and this really helps.

931 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:52:08am

test

932 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:52:19am

re: #917 marjoriemoon

Geography plays a big role in how this is going to play out.

Gaza is surrounded by Israel on two sides, the Med on the third, and Egypt on the fourth.

Israel carries out a sea blockade to prevent terrorist resupply.
Israel carried out operations against the smuggling tunnels into Gaza from Sinai.

Both will contribute to shutting down Hamas resupply efforts. That is something that was absent in the Hizbullah war, where Israel steadfastly ignored the Bekaa Valley and the rat lines to Syria.

Israel has for now taken the fight to Hamas outside the camps and Gaza City, but to stop the rockets and mortars, it will mean going in and rooting out Hamas. That's going to cause more casualties on both sides.

I'm still not sure Israel's leaders will have the stamina to persist to victory, or whether they'll give in to a ceasefire before long.

933 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:52:30am

re: #924 FrogMarch

heh Brian Williams (is it?) questioned him like Tim Russert on that one and pretty much backed him into a corner. Reid fumbled, but praised Petraus up one side and down the other. I'm ok with what Reid said about Israel. Any praise of Israel by as many of us as possible is always a good thing.

934 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:52:48am

re: #924 FrogMarch

Harry "this war is lost" Reid?

Reid realizes he is in trouble politically. He better shape up and fake like he's on the ride side of history or his ass is out. Personally - I think his 2007 comment that "This war is lost" while our troops are still fighting on the ground in Iraq - is unforgivable.

agreed and he should rightously be hounded over it for the rest of his political career and beyond...astonishing

935 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:53:10am

re: #924 FrogMarch

Harry "this war is lost" Reid?

Reid realizes he is in trouble politically. He better shape up and fake like he's on the ride side of history or his ass is out. Personally - I think his 2007 comment that "This war is lost" while our troops are still fighting on the ground in Iraq - is unforgivable.

I agree. It is one thing to be critical and point out problems. It is quite another to literally give aid and comfort to the enemy when our boys are fighting that very same day. For him to sit up there and say those things tells me either Sen. Reid is way more concerned about scoring political points at home that he is about the lives of our soldiers, OR, he is a moron...or, my guess, BOTH.

936 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:53:17am

re: #929 Jetpilot1101

Harry Reid has no shame so don't expect him to do a 180 on his position. The dems are too cocky right now and frankly I like it. Let them rest on their laurels so we can mop the floor with them in 2010 and then send the big 0 packing in 2012.

I don't trust the dems. Everything they do is a self-centered political calculation. They have no authenticity. They are fakes, phonies and frauds.

937 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:53:41am

re: #923 marjoriemoon

I like Stephanopolous. I like George Will and Cokie best, but they had that hag Katrina whatever and I can't bear her so I didn't pay attention.

I just caught a little of that show. I can't understand why they invite Katrina vanden Heuvel on. When they were discussing the Illinois Senate seat issue, Katrina used her time to show contempt for Republicans. Cokie Roberts had to smack her down - politely of course. vanden Heuvel is far and away the most hateful individual I've ever seen on TV.

Oh, she's also on the side of the "Palestinians." Surprise - not.

938 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:54:36am

re: #933 marjoriemoon

heh Brian Williams (is it?) questioned him like Tim Russert on that one and pretty much backed him into a corner. Reid fumbled, but praised Petraus up one side and down the other. I'm ok with what Reid said about Israel. Any praise of Israel by as many of us as possible is always a good thing.

Agreed. but I still do not trust the man.

939 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:54:48am

Good morning, all.
I have temporarily changed my avatar.

I now have the only pro-Hamas avatar on LGF.

/at least it's dedicated to them ... heh ... "c'mon guys, die like men"

940 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:55:00am

re: #936 FrogMarch

I don't trust the dems. Everything they do is a self-centered political calculation. They have no authenticity. They are fakes, phonies and frauds.

GAURDS!

941 razorbacker  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:56:00am

re: #926 Bloodnok

I don't quite see him as a coach. Too big a distraction and not someone who was known for adaptability in his game.

Could be. I'll bet, however, that he'd be perfect at the college level teaching basic mechanics of quarterbacking.

Like Joe Ferguson did.

942 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:56:04am

re: #931 pre-Boomer Marine brat

test

ah crap..another test?

943 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:56:25am

re: #936 FrogMarch

I don't trust the dems. Everything they do is a self-centered political calculation. They have no authenticity. They are fakes, phonies and frauds.

Agreed but they are also full of hubris which is their achilles heel. I hope they keep spouting their anti-American rhetoric and try and ram their socialist agenda down our throats. People will get sick of it and the pendulum will swing quickly. Reid, Pelosi and their ilk won't be around for long if they try even half the crap they want to try.

944 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:56:29am

re: #932 lawhawk

Right, right and right!

I also hope they can stay in to do what needs to be done, despite the casualities. I have 3 young cousins in the IDF now and I've been fearing the ground war for them. Two, I believe, were at the Gaza border yesterday. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of praying.

945 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:56:32am

re: #939 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good morning, all.
I have temporarily changed my avatar.

I now have the only pro-Hamas avatar on LGF.

/at least it's dedicated to them ... heh ... "c'mon guys, die like men"

Wow... that's interesting. The post came through with the old one, but the click on football version is the new one.

Bet you caught it mid-electron stream!

Morning, Pre-Boomer!

946 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:58:17am

Ok, who wins the games today? I will take Minnesota and Baltimore

947 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:58:27am

re: #945 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wow... that's interesting. The post came through with the old one, but the click on football version is the new one.

Bet you caught it mid-electron stream!

Morning, Pre-Boomer!

Good morning!
Yeah, seeing an avatar update has to do with browser caches.

948 ErnieG  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:58:36am

re: #940 albusteve

GAURDS!

GAURDS?

949 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:59:21am

re: #946 Desert Dog

Ok, who wins the games today? I will take Minnesota and Baltimore

I'm rooting for the Dolphins. Unfortunately I have a flight this afternoon and will miss the game.

950 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:59:29am

re: #937 rwmofo

I just caught a little of that show. I can't understand why they invite Katrina vanden Heuvel on. When they were discussing the Illinois Senate seat issue, Katrina used her time to show contempt for Republicans. Cokie Roberts had to smack her down - politely of course. vanden Heuvel is far and away the most hateful individual I've ever seen on TV.

Oh, she's also on the side of the "Palestinians." Surprise - not.

Well I'm a Democrat but I despise her. She never says anything good about Israel.

951 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:59:35am

re: #945 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wow... that's interesting. The post came through with the old one, but the click on football version is the new one.

Bet you caught it mid-electron stream!

Morning, Pre-Boomer!

The older avatar is in YOUR cache on your hard drive in your temporary internet file folder. When you request "new comments," your browser will check to see if it has anything on YOUR side that it can reuse, so it doesn't have to get it from Charles' server.

Reload your page or empty your cache if you want to see a clean version of the whole page from Charles.

952 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:59:40am

re: #941 razorbacker

Could be. I'll bet, however, that he'd be perfect at the college level teaching basic mechanics of quarterbacking.

Like Joe Ferguson did.


he can sell his good ol boy personality and continue to make millions...but I question his textbook football skills...

953 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:59:52am

Shimon Peres on ABC this morning - his is *pissed* at Hamas. Never thought I'd see that, from him.

954 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:59:58am

re: #949 Jetpilot1101

I'm rooting for the Dolphins. Unfortunately I have a flight this afternoon and will miss the game.

where the heck are you going? Warm weather I hope

955 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:00:02am

re: #947 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yep... I refreshed the page and the new one is there in all its glory.

I hope Hamas takes your advice instead of hiding behind the women and children like cowards, again.

956 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:00:21am

Away from war for a second, is there not a sweet delicious irony to pious democrats refusing to seat the legally appointed Burris while pushing hard to seat the election stealer Franken?

957 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:01:03am

re: #954 HoosierHoops

where the heck are you going? Warm weather I hope

Nope, just flying around the Northeast this afternoon. I wish I was headed south but I'm stuck in New England for the day.

958 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:01:10am

re: #951 Walter L. Newton

Yep, that's exactly what it was.

Oh, and I got my little switchboard project to work. :-)

959 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:01:15am

Y'gotta click through to see the whole thing.
The shrinkage doesn't do it justice.

/which is one reason why I stay with my three stars -- they catch the scroller's eye quickly

960 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:01:38am

re: #948 ErnieG

GAURDS?

heh...how'd that sea urchin get tossed in there?

961 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:01:54am

Fox just confirmed an Israeli soldier has died in Gaza.

Prayers for him and his family.

962 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:01:58am

re: #956 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Away from war for a second, is there not a sweet delicious irony to pious democrats refusing to seat the legally appointed Burris while pushing hard to seat the election stealer Franken?

Won't it be interesting if Burris pulls the race card on the Democrats. It would be ironic.

963 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:02:13am

re: #958 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yep, that's exactly what it was.

Oh, and I got my little switchboard project to work. :-)

Good... and I hope the Lizards helped?

964 Miss Trixie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:02:16am

re: #949 Jetpilot1101

I'm rooting for the Dolphins. Unfortunately I have a flight this afternoon and will miss the game.

*smacks forehead*

Well! That explains your nic. :D

965 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:02:39am

re: #962 Jetpilot1101

Won't it be interesting if Burris pulls the race card on the Democrats. It would be ironic.

Already done, by I think some other black state senator.

966 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:02:47am

re: #962 Jetpilot1101

Won't it be interesting if Burris pulls the race card on the Democrats. It would be ironic.

Shows them for what they really are. This is a good thing.

967 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #943 Jetpilot1101

Agreed but they are also full of hubris which is their achilles heel. I hope they keep spouting their anti-American rhetoric and try and ram their socialist agenda down our throats. People will get sick of it and the pendulum will swing quickly. Reid, Pelosi and their ilk won't be around for long if they try even half the crap they want to try.

I hope you are right. The dems are targeting the victim generation along with illegal immigrants. The key to the dem's electoral success is to get as many folks on the government doll as possible (net tax receivers).
If that happens, and that is their goal, (through unions and other thuggish socialist control agendas) we are screwed for decades.

968 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:04:03am

re: #956 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Away from war for a second, is there not a sweet delicious irony to pious democrats refusing to seat the legally appointed Burris while pushing hard to seat the election stealer Franken?

More delicious irony: Democrats pushing completely unprepared and inexperienced Democrat for Senate in NY - Kennedy, who has right pedigree and all the right people backing her, but opposing the experienced African American candidate who has been named by a guy no one cares for (a Democrat no less, and whose multiple connections to Obama and his camp are entertaining to everyone but the media).

969 ErnieG  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:04:18am

re: #956 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Away from war for a second, is there not a sweet delicious irony to pious democrats refusing to seat the legally appointed Burris while pushing hard to seat the election stealer Franken?

To them, there is nothing wrong with stealing elections. It's like holding in football. Some teams hold on every play, they just don't get caught.

970 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:04:24am

re: #965 itellu3times

Already done, by I think some other black state senator.

The political theatre is just fabulous. It's only going to get better in the next four years as the big 0 tries to manage the US, the first entity he's EVER managed in his life.

971 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:04:24am

re: #955 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

glory

HA! ... Ain't it th' truth.

In the past (and the cartoon is at least 35 years old), I've always rooted for the mouse.

972 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:04:24am

re: #963 Walter L. Newton

Good... and I hope the Lizards helped?

Of course, you guys were great. Thanks for all the help.

973 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:04:35am

Go Miami!

974 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:04:39am

Howdy. Happy Day Before We All Have To Go Back To Work.

IDF soldier killed, another critically wounded, headline notes; however, dozens of Hamas goons killed, and it seems Gazia Stripia est omnis divisa in partes duo. Seems like good progress to me, and one fatality in a day of heavy ground operations is to be expected.

DON'T MESS WITH DA JUICE!

975 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:05:27am

Did a comment just get deleted?
The page just shifted upwards.

976 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:05:31am

One of Fox's reporters just said that Hamas violated the cease-fire a week ago. WHERE HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN?

977 jcm  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:05:57am

re: #939 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good morning, all.
I have temporarily changed my avatar.

I now have the only pro-Hamas avatar on LGF.

/at least it's dedicated to them ... heh ... "c'mon guys, die like men"

pBMb? That you didn't recognize you with the new avatar!
LOL!

978 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:06:05am

re: #970 Jetpilot1101

The political theatre is just fabulous. It's only going to get better in the next four years as the big 0 tries to manage the US, the first entity he's EVER managed in his life.

On the news today, the meme was that Gaza is the first challenge to Obama. You see, he's president of da World. Good luc, with that, 0.

979 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:06:17am

re: #956 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Away from war for a second, is there not a sweet delicious irony to pious democrats refusing to seat the legally appointed Burris while pushing hard to seat the election stealer Franken?

Franken has shown is true colors. He has no shame and will apparently do whatever it takes to win. Just another personality trait I can add to all the others of his that I HATE. He he somehow manages to steal this seat, it will be tainted. The Republicans better spend a lot of money in Minnesota 6 years from now to make sure this asswad is a "one-termer"

980 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:06:20am

re: #978 itellu3times

luck

981 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:06:30am

re: #937 rwmofo

I just caught a little of that show. I can't understand why they invite Katrina vanden Heuvel on. When they were discussing the Illinois Senate seat issue, Katrina used her time to show contempt for Republicans. Cokie Roberts had to smack her down - politely of course. vanden Heuvel is far and away the most hateful individual I've ever seen on TV.

Oh, she's also on the side of the "Palestinians." Surprise - not.

She will never pass up an opportunity to bash the war in Iraq or trumpet a 'green economy...or to wear that turtleneck it seems.

982 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:06:41am

I haven't been up long, but am hearing (FNC on in background) discussion of a ceasefire? What? Was a ceasefire discussed like, in December or earlier? I can't figure it out.

983 El Supremo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:06:43am

re: #935 Desert Dog

My son was over there with the 2ND Mar Div. As long as I live I will NEVER forgive or forget what that coward said for polotical prose.

984 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:06:49am

re: #967 FrogMarch

I hope you are right. The dems are targeting the victim generation along with illegal immigrants. The key to the dem's electoral success is to get as many folks on the government doll as possible (net tax receivers).
If that happens, and that is their goal, (through unions and other thuggish socialist control agendas) we are screwed for decades.

Good point. However the more you give away, the more you have to tax those who actually work and pay the taxes. At the rate the dems are going, the whole system is going to collapse from their social engineering if inflation doesn't do it to us first.

985 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:06:55am

re: #976 MandyManners

One of Fox's reporters just said that Hamas violated the cease-fire a week ago. WHERE HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN?

fair and balanced?...

986 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:07:05am

Liberal bashing... guess it's time for me to leave. I'm off to attend an Israeli rally on Miami Beach. Cyas.

987 Miss Trixie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:07:41am

re: #931 pre-Boomer Marine brat

test

You passed, toots! It's a good one too.

988 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:07:45am

re: #978 itellu3times

On the news today, the meme was that Gaza is the first challenge to Obama. You see, he's president of da World. Good luc, with that, 0.

Things are going to stack up so hard and fast it's going to make his little head spin.

Poor kid. Didn't know what he was in for when he was groomed by Ayres to wreck the country.

989 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:07:56am

The only ceasefire I want to see is when Hamas is unable to shoot. Either because they can't or because they have no more weapons.

whichever works

990 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:08:05am

re: #978 itellu3times

On the news today, the meme was that Gaza is the first challenge to Obama. You see, he's president of da World. Good luc, with that, 0.

Reposting this cartoon from upthread - enlarge the piccie, you'll not be disappointed!

991 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:08:07am

re: #976 MandyManners

One of Fox's reporters just said that Hamas violated the cease-fire a week ago. WHERE HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN?

Where have they been for six months? Or since 2000? Or 1993?

Missing in action. Ignoring the incessant attacks on Israel, and reporting only when Israel responds in force.

All these reporters from Israel are there knowing exactly what's going on. It's reported in Ynet, Jpost, Haaretz, and Arutz Sheva all the time. They ignore it.

It doesn't help their meme that Israel is the aggressor and Hamas is the rightous party in this conflict.

[deleted]

The incessant media bias in the US regarding reporting on the conflict is pervasive and overwhelming.

992 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:08:20am

re: #977 jcm

pBMb? That you didn't recognize you with the new avatar!
LOL!

You must have clicked through.
I changed temporarily ... in honor of Hamas.

/GO EAGLE!

993 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:08:21am

re: #982 rwmofo

I haven't been up long, but am hearing (FNC on in background) discussion of a ceasefire? What? Was a ceasefire discussed like, in December or earlier? I can't figure it out.

There was a six-month hudna/ceasefire between Hamas and Israel that ended in December. Hamas was firing missiles all through the cease-fire, and then raised the firing rate afterwards. Have a nice day.

994 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:08:32am

re: #852 jaunte

Somehow the folks in Philly have refrained from shooting rockets at their neighbors over in Camden.

But do they shoot collaborators in Philly?

995 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:08:41am

re: #968 lawhawk

More delicious irony: Democrats pushing completely unprepared and inexperienced Democrat for Senate in NY - Kennedy, who has right pedigree and all the right people backing her, but opposing the experienced African American candidate who has been named by a guy no one cares for (a Democrat no less, and whose multiple connections to Obama and his camp are entertaining to everyone but the media).

Add Franken to that mix...the Dems have a great crop of newbies, eh?

996 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:09:37am

re: #975 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did a comment just get deleted?
The page just shifted upwards.

Yes...2...#573 & #578.

Charles is up.

997 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:09:55am

re: #994 Occasional Reader

Just a little 'brotherly love,' Gaza style.

998 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:10:30am

re: #994 Occasional Reader

There's a reason that Philly doesn't fire on Camden.

999 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:10:35am

#587 just got whacked.

1000 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:10:41am

re: #991 lawhawk

Not just in the USA, sigh.

The Beeb is out-doing itself, shilling for Hamas.

1001 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:11:03am

re: #958 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yep, that's exactly what it was.

Oh, and I got my little switchboard project to work. :-)

Radar is that you...:)

1002 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:11:07am

re: #996 NJDhockeyfan

Yes...2...#573 & #578.

Charles is up.

Smokefire has become "non person"

1003 Marvo76  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:11:42am

re: #727 yma o hyd

If it isn't it should be...

1004 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:12:09am

You all have to admit that Miami is this years Cinderella story...

1005 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:12:37am

re: #990 yma o hyd

Reposting this cartoon from upthread - enlarge the piccie, you'll not be disappointed!

YOU OWE ME A KEYBOARD!
:D

1006 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:12:49am

re: #975 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did a comment just get deleted?
The page just shifted upwards.

Nos. 573 and 587.

1007 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #570 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Israel's ground offensive continues apace, and has apparently surrounded Gaza City and several refugee camps, but Israel has stated that they have no intention of going into either areas. I think that's a mistake, since it means Hamas will continue to use Gaza City and refugee residents as cannon fodder and human shields as they continue firing kassams and mortars into Israel.

Sounds like good strategy to me - force the entire population of Gaza into a few even more limited areas, let them launch rockets from there - inviting 2000 pounds of instant retaliation right in the middle.

Too bad that's not actually what they're doing, makes too much sense.

1008 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:13:24am

re: #1004 HoosierHoops

You all have to admit that Miami is this years Cinderella story...

Pennington has as much grit as any player ever...I hope he bags it this year

1009 ErnieG  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:13:24am

re: #996 NJDhockeyfan

Yes...2...#573 & #578.

Charles is up.

That means a new thread any moment now...

1010 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:13:31am

re: #1001 Dustyvet

Radar is that you...:)

Nope... closest I ever got to a REMF is when I got in a supply sgt's face at Camp Rudder FL as a really cocky short-timer SP4. Looking back on it, I was an idiot.

Mornin' Dusty!

1011 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:13:34am

re: #985 albusteve

fair and balanced?...

In an alternate universe, maybe.

1012 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:13:40am

re: #1004 HoosierHoops

You all have to admit that Miami is this years Cinderella story...

They sure are. I can't believe that the Pats didn't make it with an 11-5 record. Meanwhile, SD (8-8) beats the Colts. Got to love the NFL.

1013 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:13:51am

re: #1005 pre-Boomer Marine brat

YOU OWE ME A KEYBOARD!
:D

:-)

Gladly - anything to make people lol!

1014 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:14:20am

re: #991 lawhawk

Where have they been for six months? Or since 2000? Or 1993?

Missing in action. Ignoring the incessant attacks on Israel, and reporting only when Israel responds in force.

All these reporters from Israel are there knowing exactly what's going on. It's reported in Ynet, Jpost, Haaretz, and Arutz Sheva all the time. They ignore it.

It doesn't help their meme that Israel is the aggressor and Hamas is the rightous party in this conflict.

[deleted]

The incessant media bias in the US regarding reporting on the conflict is pervasive and overwhelming.

If I hadn't found LGF, I'd be in the dark.

1015 razorbacker  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:14:28am

re: #970 Jetpilot1101

The political theatre is just fabulous. It's only going to get better in the next four years as the big 0 tries to manage the US, the first entity he's EVER managed in his life.

I suspect that what we are about to experience will be the rule of the bureaucracy, only on steroids. And the bureaucrats scare me.

Obama is about to fall victim to voter disillusion. He's going to disappoint his base, because no-one can possibly follow up on all his panders. The squishy middle, who voted for him because he wasn't Bush (and a brilliant job was done to make McCain=Bush) will peel off as the economy struggles.

I wish Obama success, because I've got nowhere else to go. But there is a difference between wishing for something and expecting something to actually happen.

1016 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:14:43am

re: #1014 MandyManners

If I hadn't found LGF, I'd be in the dark.

We all would.

1017 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:14:45am

In honor of Sunday, here's some Sunday's

Youtube Video
1018 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:14:49am

re: #1010 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope... closest I ever got to a REMF is when I got in a supply sgt's face at Camp Rudder FL as a really cocky short-timer SP4. Looking back on it, I was an idiot.

Mornin' Dusty!

Morning LT...Salute...:)

1019 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:15:09am

re: #1014 MandyManners

Same here, Mandy!

1020 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:15:27am

re: #1008 albusteve

Pennington has as much grit as any player ever...I hope he bags it this year

I think it was so sweet for him to come back to New York last week and beat the team that got rid of him...he must have slept well that night...

1021 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:15:41am

re: #1014 MandyManners

If I hadn't found LGF, I'd be in the dark.

If I hadn't seen that much dark, I'd not be on LGF.

1022 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:15:43am

re: #1012 Jetpilot1101

They sure are. I can't believe that the Pats didn't make it with an 11-5 record. Meanwhile, SD (8-8) beats the Colts. Got to love the NFL.

I just pray the the new thread doesn't say ' All Hail San Diego!'

1023 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:16:16am

I am going to the mall, by myself YAY. Cabin fever over the holidays. Catch you all later.

1024 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:16:19am

re: #1018 Dustyvet

Morning LT...Salute...:)

Back at you buddy!

No C-rat talk today, OK... I'm on a diet...

1025 ErnieG  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:16:58am

re: #1022 HoosierHoops

I just pray the the new thread doesn't say ' All Hail San Diego!'

I kind of wish you hadn't said that.

1026 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:17:20am

American born Queen Noor of Jordan is on with Blitzer right now.
She is complaining about the miserable condition of the Gazans.
Blitzer points out that aid is getting in from Israel. She snaps 'International aid"
She is asked if aid is coming in from Egypt & admits that she doesn't know.
To her credit she condemned the Hamas shelling of Southern Israel.

1027 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:17:25am

re: #1023 WriterMom

I am going to the mall, by myself YAY. Cabin fever over the holidays. Catch you all later.

If you turn to the Dark Side while there, we can call you Darth Mall.

1028 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:17:33am

re: #1023 WriterMom

I am going to the mall, by myself YAY. Cabin fever over the holidays. Catch you all later.

Enjoy! I'll get some peace tomorrow after I drop The Kid at school. I love him but, he's a handful.

1029 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:17:37am

re: #1015 razorbacker

I suspect that what we are about to experience will be the rule of the bureaucracy, only on steroids. And the bureaucrats scare me.

Obama is about to fall victim to voter disillusion. He's going to disappoint his base, because no-one can possibly follow up on all his panders. The squishy middle, who voted for him because he wasn't Bush (and a brilliant job was done to make McCain=Bush) will peel off as the economy struggles.

I wish Obama success, because I've got nowhere else to go. But there is a difference between wishing for something and expecting something to actually happen.

The talking economic heads are all predicting a big up year for the DOWn in 2009. In my opinion, the economy is going to get worse and when it does, you are correct in your assertion that the wimpy middle of the road voters will bail in droves. Obama will most likelybe a one termer and in 4 years, the 65 million people who vote against him will all be labled racists.

1030 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:17:39am

re: #996 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks

1031 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:17:39am

re: #1020 Desert Dog

I think it was so sweet for him to come back to New York last week and beat the team that got rid of him...he must have slept well that night...

I did too...he's a tough kid from the MAC...my old shools conference...I just like it when the little guys make the bigtime...

1032 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:17:52am

re: #1024 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Back at you buddy!

No C-rat talk today, OK... I'm on a diet...

Otays...:) I'll go look for the video on you tube for Klinger eatting a jeep..:)

1033 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:18:05am

Inaugural Hell

Message to you out-of-towners heading to Washington, D.C. for your first presidential inauguration: You will be miserable.

(funny but I won't need to be in DC to be miserable on inauguration day)

January 20 is shaping up to be the inauguration celebration of our lifetimes. Which is fitting, because there’s a dirty little secret about Washington, D.C., and the inaugural balls: if you’ve ever been to one, you’ll never go back.

1034 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:18:26am

re: #1006 MandyManners

Thanks

1035 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:18:31am

re: #1027 Occasional Reader

How's it hanging?

1036 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:18:45am

re: #1013 yma o hyd

:-)

Gladly - anything to make people lol!

OK... I suck... I can't figure it out... more hints?

1037 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:19:07am

re: #1029 Jetpilot1101

The talking economic heads are all predicting a big up year for the DOWn in 2009. In my opinion, the economy is going to get worse and when it does, you are correct in your assertion that the wimpy middle of the road voters will bail in droves. Obama will most likelybe a one termer and in 4 years, the 65 million people who vote against him will all be labled racists.

imo Oboy may be the worst disaster in the history of the donk party

1038 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:19:24am

re: #1023 WriterMom

I am going to the mall, by myself YAY. Cabin fever over the holidays. Catch you all later.

Sephora - are you listening?

Have fun! Splurge a little!

1039 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:19:36am

re: #1021 jwb7605

If I hadn't seen that much dark, I'd not be on LGF.

Amen to THAT!

1040 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:20:24am

re: #1036 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... I suck... I can't figure it out... more hints?

Yes..see that stack of money with eyes on it?
That's the money you could have saved with Gieco

1041 broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:20:47am

re: #1026 opnion

American born Queen Noor of Jordan is on with Blitzer right now.
She is complaining about the miserable condition of the Gazans.
Blitzer points out that aid is getting in from Israel. She snaps 'International aid"
She is asked if aid is coming in from Egypt & admits that she doesn't know.
To her credit she condemned the Hamas shelling of Southern Israel.

I'll take it as a glimmer of hope that Israel is winning when reporters are finally asking the obvious questions.

Reporters don't like to be on the side of losers.

1042 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:20:57am

re: #1026 opnion

American born Queen Noor of Jordan is on with Blitzer right now.
She is complaining about the miserable condition of the Gazans.
Blitzer points out that aid is getting in from Israel. She snaps 'International aid"
She is asked if aid is coming in from Egypt & admits that she doesn't know.
To her credit she condemned the Hamas shelling of Southern Israel.

She right about the miserable conditions, but she misses the point about why they are so miserable. That misery in mostly self-inflicted. It is like these people are sympathizing with someone because they have a bad headache. But, the reason they have a such a bad headache is because they are continually hitting themselves on the head with a hammer. So, rather than tell the idiot to stop hitting himself with a hammer, they send him money so he can buy more hammers.

1043 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:22:00am

re: #1026 opnion

American born Queen Noor of Jordan is on with Blitzer right now.
She is complaining about the miserable condition of the Gazans.
Blitzer points out that aid is getting in from Israel. She snaps 'International aid"
She is asked if aid is coming in from Egypt & admits that she doesn't know.
To her credit she condemned the Hamas shelling of Southern Israel.


Perhaps Noor can open her door and welcome the Palestinian poor

/

1044 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:22:14am

re: #1033 loppyd

Inaugural Hell

Message to you out-of-towners heading to Washington, D.C. for your first presidential inauguration: You will be miserable.

(funny but I won't need to be in DC to be miserable on inauguration day)

NEW YORK (AFP) – A new website hopes to save guests at president-elect Barack Obama's inauguration balls from the ultimate fashion faux pas -- wearing the same dress as someone else.

Dressregistry.com invites party goers to post the designer, color and length of their outfit chosen for the dozens of January 20 inauguration bashes in Washington, DC.

"Our one goal is to lessen the chance that someone attending the same event as you will be wearing the EXACT same dress," organizers write on the website.

SNIP

If this was done before a Republican inauguration, the MFM would be howling at the elitism.

1045 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:22:14am

re: #1037 albusteve

imo Oboy may be the worst disaster in the history of the donk party

We shall see but I tend to agree with you. The euphoria has already worn off and unless he starts placating his wacky base the moment he steps into the oval office, he'll be quickly disowned. Sure the MFMSM will carry his water for awhile but as they slowly go belly up, he'll find it a lot harder to be insulated from his clearly marxists policies.

1046 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:22:34am

re: #1040 HoosierHoops

Yes..see that stack of money with eyes on it?
That's the money you could have saved with Gieco

Nope... I see a cartoon Obama, a point of rock, and a fire that says Gaza...

1047 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:23:16am

re: #1042 Desert Dog

She right about the miserable conditions, but she misses the point about why they are so miserable. That misery in mostly self-inflicted. It is like these people are sympathizing with someone because they have a bad headache. But, the reason they have a such a bad headache is because they are continually hitting themselves on the head with a hammer. So, rather than tell the idiot to stop hitting himself with a hammer, they send him money so he can buy more hammers.


Yeah it is Sophistry. Look at a miserable situation & willfully ignore the cause & blame those who react.

1048 Marvo76  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:23:54am

re: #851 smokefire

yep, good stuff I used to sell them (extinguishers) for a whle, but now they are like pulling hen's teeth due to those EEEVVVILLL CFC's that are destroying the ozone layers...I would still buy one even if it opened space over the whitehouse...

1049 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:24:03am

re: #1044 MandyManners

SNIP

If this was done before a Republican inauguration, the MFM would be howling at the elitism.

RuPaul had no comment when asked what outfit he registered.

1050 J.S.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:24:19am

The Weather Channel is reporting that last night Edmonton hit another record low temperature -- minus 40 something Celsius...(without wind chill)...

1051 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:24:28am

re: #1035 MandyManners

How's it hanging?

Heavy, baby. Real heavy.

1052 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:24:30am

re: #1043 Shug

Perhaps Noor can open her door and welcome the Palestinian poor

/

Oddly enough, she never mentioned taking the poor miserables in.

1053 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:24:44am

ambition is not experience and bravado is not confidence...BO faces a vertical learning curve...more like a wall...I just see him becoming a successful leader or President...odds favor him tanking and early...but then again maybe rebounds are his specialty...nobody knows

1054 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:24:50am

re: #1033 loppyd

Inaugural Hell

Message to you out-of-towners heading to Washington, D.C. for your first presidential inauguration: You will be miserable.

(funny but I won't need to be in DC to be miserable on inauguration day)

I think they should adopt a more egalitarian approach and have everyone wear the same outfit. Here's my nomination.

1055 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:24:53am

re: #1050 J.S.

The Weather Channel is reporting that last night Edmonton hit another record low temperature -- minus 40 something Celsius...(without wind chill)...

Another global-warming-related cold spell...

1056 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:24:56am

re: #1036 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... I suck... I can't figure it out... more hints?

Erm, pBMB spilled coffe over his keuboard (I hope it was only that, teeheehee!) when he clicked on the cartoon link I'd posted.

Its a pretty good cartoon - but do put your drink down before viewing!

1057 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:25:00am

re: #1044 MandyManners

SNIP

If this was done before a Republican inauguration, the MFM would be howling at the elitism.

Natch. But this is dawning of the Age of The Obamas.

Michelle needn't worry about anyone copying her dress after that election nigh Star Trek/Paintball accident fiasco.

1058 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:25:34am

re: #1054 Desert Dog

I think they should adopt a more egalitarian approach and have everyone wear the same outfit. Here's my nomination.

Excellent choice!

1059 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:25:38am

re: #1052 opnion

Oddly enough, she never mentioned taking the poor miserables in.

Perhaps she and suha arafag can take the poor palis on a Paris shopping spree and then out to lunch.

/

1060 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:25:46am

re: #1049 Walter L. Newton

RuPaul had no comment when asked what outfit he registered.

I bet it involves many boas.

1061 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:26:00am

re: #1050 J.S.

The Weather Channel is reporting that last night Edmonton hit another record low temperature -- minus 40 something Celsius...(without wind chill)...

I think that explains the sudden influx of Alberta license plates clogging the streets of Mesa, AZ

1062 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:26:04am

re: #1053 albusteve

ambition is not experience and bravado is not confidence...BO faces a vertical learning curve...more like a wall...I just see him becoming a successful leader or President...odds favor him tanking and early...but then again maybe rebounds are his specialty...nobody knows

Rebounds are his specialty? He's never run anything in his life... and the campaign doesn't count.

He'll crater... and take us with him.

1063 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:26:05am

re: #1051 Occasional Reader

Heavy, baby. Real heavy.

Good to hear!

1064 J.S.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:27:01am

re: #1055 Occasional Reader

yeah...grrr...guess they have to keep the polar bears happy...(although i'm not happy...)

1065 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:27:01am

re: #1056 yma o hyd

Erm, pBMB spilled coffe over his keuboard (I hope it was only that, teeheehee!) when he clicked on the cartoon link I'd posted.

Its a pretty good cartoon - but do put your drink down before viewing!

Sure, I agree... I just got the feeling there was something more hidden in it.

1066 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:27:22am

re: #1033 loppyd

Inaugural Hell

Message to you out-of-towners heading to Washington, D.C. for your first presidential inauguration: You will be miserable.

(funny but I won't need to be in DC to be miserable on inauguration day)


Everbody should wear Snuggies & wave Shamwows! They could call them Obamawows!

1067 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:27:23am

re: #1053 albusteve

don't see
pimf

1068 razorbacker  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:27:27am

BBL.

1069 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:27:36am

re: #1057 loppyd

Natch. But this is dawning of the Age of The Obamas.

Michelle needn't worry about anyone copying her dress after that election nigh Star Trek/Paintball accident fiasco.

If she just had to do black and red, it could've been done a lot nicer.

1070 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:28:12am

re: #1065 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Sure, I agree... I just got the feeling there was something more hidden in it.

Aww ...

No, 'tis all above board and plain as plain can be!

;-)

1071 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:28:16am

re: #1064 J.S.

yeah...grrr...guess they have to keep the polar bears happy...(although i'm not happy...)

Yes, the polar bears are no longer drowning, they are actually frozen in the ice now...We need ALGORE to head up with with his private jet and entourage to melt a little of that ice so the polar bears can live in peace and harmony

1072 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:28:26am

New thread's up.

1073 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:28:59am

re: #1059 Shug

Perhaps she and suha arafag can take the poor palis on a Paris shopping spree and then out to lunch.

/

After Les Miserables bathe of course.

1074 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:29:07am

re: #1070 yma o hyd

Aww ...

No, 'tis all above board and plain as plain can be!

;-)

Cool... I'm not as dumb as I look then! Thanks!

1075 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:29:15am

re: #1062 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Rebounds are his specialty? He's never run anything in his life... and the campaign doesn't count.

He'll crater... and take us with him.

think positive amigo...he does not rule the world and everybody in it

1076 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:29:29am

Up thread...

1077 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:30:05am

re: #1052 opnion

Oddly enough, she never mentioned taking the poor miserables in.

Let's see ... she's in Jordan ... they're Palestinian ... hmmm, I wonder why Jordanians wouldn't be fond of having Palestinians inside the country.

/VERY sarc

1078 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:30:23am

re: #1037 albusteve

imo Oboy may be the worst disaster in the history of the donk party

Unfortunately, as we see with Jimmy Carter, (the current 'Worst President'), the leftist Media, will create an illusion of high regard, while sliming every Republican president.

1079 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:30:51am

re: #1056 yma o hyd

Erm, pBMB spilled coffe over his keuboard (I hope it was only that, teeheehee!) when he clicked on the cartoon link I'd posted.

Its a pretty good cartoon - but do put your drink down before viewing!

FUNNY WELSH CAT TELLS JOKE

...:)

Youtube Video
1080 Rancher  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:31:26am

re: #994 Occasional Reader

But do they shoot collaborators in Philly?


That's great, Israel invades so they shoot each other. An ex-Hamas turned Christian was on Fox last night saying that in Israeli prisons Hamas will torture suspected collaborators. Some Sheik came on, called him a liar and said all they do to collaborators is make them clean more.

1081 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:32:14am

re: #1069 MandyManners

If she just had to do black and red, it could've been done a lot nicer.

It was G.A. - she needs a new stylist. Someone who can convince her she is no Jackie Kennedy would be helpful. Bolero jackets on someone her size is tragic.

1082 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:32:27am

re: #1056 yma o hyd

Erm, pBMB spilled coffe over his keuboard (I hope it was only that, teeheehee!) when he clicked on the cartoon link I'd posted.

Its a pretty good cartoon - but do put your drink down before viewing!

A mixture of coffee and toasted snack cracker with peanut butter!
The keyboard has been given a military funeral.

1083 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:33:24am

re: #1033 loppyd

Inaugural Hell

Message to you out-of-towners heading to Washington, D.C. for your first presidential inauguration: You will be miserable.

(funny but I won't need to be in DC to be miserable on inauguration day)

I was at a dinner party last night where a liberal acquaintance cheerily advised that he knew of an inaugural ball we could all go to for "only" $275 apiece. I, ah, demurred.

1084 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:34:03am

re: #1057 loppyd

after that election nigh Star Trek/Paintball accident fiasco.

Ha!

1085 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:34:43am

re: #1044 MandyManners


"NEW YORK (AFP) – A new website hopes to save guests at president-elect Barack Obama's inauguration balls from the ultimate fashion faux pas -- wearing the same dress as someone else.

Dressregistry.com invites party goers to post the designer, color and length of their outfit chosen for the dozens of January 20 inauguration bashes in Washington, DC.

"Our one goal is to lessen the chance that someone attending the same event as you will be wearing the EXACT same dress," organizers write on the website."

I think that this is a good idea. If Olbermann, Colmes, Charlie Gibson, Brian Williams and Franck Rich all wear the same dress, now that would be awkward.

1086 anat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:34:54am

re: #700 yma o hyd

Heh.
If more people complain about this, they might even be shuffled back to reporting about local events in Winchester ...
It beats me anyway why female reporters are chosen to report on military operations and on political situations when they are so obvioulsy out of their depth, and when this is so painfully obviously beyond their competence.

Like Jeremy Bowen?

1087 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:35:05am

re: #1077 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let's see ... she's in Jordan ... they're Palestinian ... hmmm, I wonder why Jordanians wouldn't be fond of having Palestinians inside the country.

/VERY sarc

And I wonder if the interviewer mentioned "Black September" to the good Queen.

Nah, I don't really wonder.

1088 AuntAcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:38:12am

re: #1054 Desert Dog

I think they should adopt a more egalitarian approach and have everyone wear the same outfit. Here's my nomination.

A brown shirt would be nice, set off with a contrasting armband and boots.

1089 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:39:14am

Maybe we should set up a few counter-inaugural balls. Dress code would need to be jeans and sweatshirts. Charge $2 a couple and have a good drunken wake, to mourn the degradation of a great country.

1090 AuntAcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 9:42:48am

re: #1085 rwmofo

With 10M party goers duplication will be inivitable considering that they are all of one mind.

1091 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:00:06am

re: #1055 Occasional Reader

Another global-warming-related cold spell...

It is not global warming any longer... it is global climate change. That would pretty much cover ALL weather I believe. So long as "weather" exists we must do something about it... or some such nonsense.

1092 asshander  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:07:42am

re: #990 yma o hyd

Reposting this cartoon from upthread - enlarge the piccie, you'll not be disappointed!

Why are there 14 stripes on the US flag? Don't they have editors?

1093 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:39:09am

re: #816 goddessoftheclassroom

If it's your first ticket ever, or even your first in a long time, it won't affect your insurance rate. At least, in my experience! I got 2 moving violation tickets in 3 years, with nothing for the previous 10. No change in the insurance.


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